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While the Covid-19 epidemic continues to drag on in the United States, it’s largely over in Sweden where fatalities have dropped to no more than 2 deaths per day for the last week. Sweden has been harshly criticized in the media for not imposing draconian lockdowns like the United States and the other European countries. Instead, Sweden implemented a policy that was both conventional and sensible. They recommended that people maintain a safe distance between each other and they banned gatherings of 50 people or more. They also asked their elderly citizens to isolate themselves and to avoid interacting with other people as much as possible. Other than that, Swedes were encouraged to work, exercise and get on with their lives as they would normally even though the world was still in the throes of a global pandemic.

The secret of Sweden’s success is that its experts settled on a strategy that was realistic, sustainable and science-based. The intention was never to “fight” the virus which is among the most contagious infections in the last century, but to protect the old and vulnerable while allowing the young, low-risk people to circulate, contract the virus, and develop the antibodies they’d need to fight similar pathogens in the future. It’s clear now that that was the best approach. And while Sweden could still experience sporadic outbreaks that might kill another 2 to 300 people, any recurrence of the infection in the Fall or Winter will not be a dreaded “Second Wave”, but a much weaker flu-like event that will not overwhelm the public health system or kill thousands of people.

As we’ve noted before, the media has been particularly vicious in their criticism of Sweden’s approach which they’ve characterized as overly “relaxed.” Check out this sampling of recent headlines:

  • Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19, CBS News
  • Lack of Lockdown Increased COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden, U of V Newsroom
  • Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale, New York Times
  • Sweden Stayed Open And More People Died Of Covid-19, But The Real Reason May Be Something Darker, Forbes
  • Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don’t do what we did. It’s not working. USA Today
  • Sweden’s coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success, Business Insider
  • Lack of COVID-19 Lockdown Increased Deaths in Sweden, Analysis Conclude, Virginia edu
  • Sweden COVID-19 Deaths Linked to Failure to Lockdown as Country Prepares for Second Wave, Newsweek
  • Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State, New York Times

As you can see, the media has taken a very hardline with Sweden. But, why? What has Sweden done that has provoked such a hostile response?

Nothing, really, they’ve just shrugged off the repressive stay-at-home orders and pursued their own independent policy. The Swedish approach stands in stark contrast to the lockdowns which are costly, ineffective and socially damaging. Here’s an excerpt from an article at The Evening Standard that underscores these very points:

Lockdowns made little difference to the number of people who have died from coronavirus, a study has claimed. Researchers from the University of Toronto and University of Texas found that whether a country was locked down or not was “not associated” with the Covid-19 death rate.

Experts compared mortality rates and cases in 50 badly-hit countries up until May 1 and calculated that only 33 out of every million people had died from the virus…The study found that imposing lockdown measures succeeded in stopping hospitals becoming overwhelmed, but it did not translate into a significant reduction in deaths.

“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of Covid-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality,” the study, published in the Lancet online journal EClinicalMedicine, said.”
(“Coronavirus lockdown ‘made no difference to number of deaths but stopped hospitals being overwhelmed”, Evening Standard)

Bottom line: Lockdowns don’t work, but the media continues to support them. Why?

Because the media is owned by elites who see lockdowns as an effective way to exert greater control over the population. The real issue is power, not efficacy or saving lives. The Swedish model undermines this effort by providing a viable alternative that challenges lockdowns and leads countries out of crisis. That’s why Sweden has been treated with such open hostility, because elites see crisis management as a useful tool for making the structural changes they want to impose on the political and economic systems. Billionaire oligarchs do not see crises as ‘periods of intense disorder or distress’, but golden opportunities that can be exploited to their advantage.

Sweden is also criticized for its fatality rate which is higher than some but lower than others. As of today, the number Coronavirus deaths in Sweden is 5,667 which is considerably higher than its neighbors in Norway and Denmark but lower than Belgium, Italy, France, the UK and Spain. In other words, Sweden is somewhere in the middle of the pack. Interestingly, Sweden compares quite well to poorly-governed states in the US with similar-sized populations. Take a look:

  • Sweden: No Lockdown
    Population of 10.2 million
    Coronavirus deaths –5,667
  • Lockdown State#1: New York City (Democrat Governor, Andrew Cuomo)
    Population– 8.3 million
    Coronavirus deaths– 32,133 (5 and a half time more than Sweden with 2 million less people)
  • Lockdown State#2: New Jersey (another Democrat governor, Phil Murphy)
    Population– 9.2 million (1 million less than Sweden)
    Coronavirus deaths– 15,684 (nearly 3 times as many as Sweden with a smaller population.)
  • Lockdown State#3: Massachusetts (another Democrat Governor, Charlie Baker)
    Population– 6.9 million #.3 million less than Sweden)
    Coronavirus deaths– 8,380 (1 and a half times Sweden’s total with 3 million less people.)

These are the real Coronavirus losers, the three states that are run by liberal governors who imposed counterproductive lockdowns that collapsed their economies, killed tens of thousands of people, and did nothing to staunch the spread of the infection. In contrast, Sweden has weathered the storm nicely, built up the public’s innate immunity and put the economy back on the road to recovery. Take a look:

“Unlike most European countries, Sweden didn’t impose strict lockdown measures. Now it’s reaping the rewards — economically speaking, at least. A report from Capital Economics published on Tuesday found that the Swedish economy was the least harmed in Europe, describing it as the “best of a bad bunch.”

Though Sweden was not immune to the pandemic’s economic impact, it was the only major economy to grow in the first quarter of the year, the report noted….

“The Swedish economy has weathered Covid well, thanks in part to the government’s light-touch lockdown, and our forecast of a 1.5% drop in GDP this year is well above consensus,” the economists Andrew Kenningham, David Oxley, and Melanie Debono wrote.” (“Sweden weathers 2020’s economic storm better than anywhere else”, Business Insider)

Readers might want to compare the facts about Sweden’s economy with the spurious claims made by New York Times. Here’s an excerpt from a piece titled “Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale”:

“Not only have thousands more people died (in Sweden) than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”…

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.”…In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.” (“Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale”, New York Times)

Huh? So, Sweden “gained nothing”, says the Times? Really??

As the report from Business Insider confirms, the Swedish economy “was the least harmed in Europe”, the “best of the bunch” (and) “the only major economy to grow in the first quarter of the year, the report.” Sweden is progressively ramping up its activity while the United States is still stuck in the mud. The Times is deliberately misleading its readers to continue its war on Sweden. That’s not journalism, it’s agenda-driven propaganda.

Did you know that the Swedish infectious disease expert Johan Giesecke warned leaders in the lockdown countries that cases and deaths would rise sharply when the lockdowns were lifted?

One would assume that our leaders would be smart enough to figure that out before hand and tweak the policy accordingly, but that didn’t happen. So, now, when Fall rolls around and the deaths begin to mount, then what??

Then the state governors will re-impose the same onerous restrictions that were in place before which will increase unemployment and intensify the deepening economic slump. Meanwhile, Sweden will be in the process of rebooting its economy, putting people back to work, and enjoying the benefits that accrue from independent thinking and strong leadership. This is from an article at Reuters:

Sweden’s top epidemiologist said on Tuesday a rapid decline in new critical COVID-19 cases alongside slowing death rates indicated that Sweden’s strategy for slowing the epidemic… was working. Chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell of the public health agency said a rapid slowdown in the spread of the virus indicated very strongly that Sweden had reached relatively widespread immunity…

“It really is yet another sign that the Swedish strategy is working,” Tegnell said. It is possible to slow contagion fast with the measures we are taking in Sweden.”(“Swedish epidemiology boss says questioned COVID-19 strategy seems to be working”, Reuters)

Of course “it’s working”. Why wouldn’t it work? Our species has survived thousands of years thanks to our complex and adaptive immunity system that develops protective antibodies and killer T-cells that fight off flues, viruses and all-manner of harmful infectious diseases with or without vaccines. This is the brilliance of Sweden’s strategy, to allow the infection to spread among the country’s healthier, low-risk members until the virus petered-out from lack of any new hosts.

And now the strategy has worked. Common sense has prevailed. This is from Bloomberg News:

“Sweden’s top health authority says people who have had the novel coronavirus are likely to be immune for at least six months after being infected, whether they’ve developed antibodies or not….A recent study from King’s College London showed that the level of antibodies may drop to a degree that makes them undetectable as soon as three months after infection. However, the body also mounts other forms of immunity responses, including from so-called T-cells, which appear to play an important role in protecting against reinfection with Covid-19.

Research from Sweden’s Karolinska Institute has indicated that about twice as many people infected by Covid-19 have developed a T-cell mediated immunity response as those who have a detectable level of antibodies.

“The risk of being reinfected and of transmitting the disease to other people is probably very close to zero,” Tegnell said. ..” Sweden “probably” has achieved a fairly high rate of immunity, which he predicts will protect his country from new outbreaks.

“The upshot is that the epidemic is now slowing down very drastically, in a way that I think few of us would have thought a few weeks ago,” he said. ”(“Sweden Says Covid Immunity Can Last 6 Months After Infection”, Bloomberg)

What does it all mean?

It means that probably only 1 in every 7 people will contract the virus regardless of their exposure. It means that a greater portion of the population have natural immunity than we thought. It means that antibody testing does not tell the whole story but that T-cells and cross-immunity also prevent transmission to otherwise healthy people. It means that Covid-19 is not the Black Plague that’s going to live up to the manipulative hype that has been used to precipitate the biggest social, economic and political crisis of the last century. It means that the idiot lockdowns did not prevent new cases and deaths but merely postponed them to a later date.

It means that Sweden was on the right track from the very beginning and is rapidly returning to normal while the US sinks deeper into a crisis of its own making.

Bravo, Sweden!

 
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  1. Essays like this is why Unz Review is treated like Voldemort.

    • Replies: @Nurhachi
  2. I’ve long enjoyed Mike Whitney’s writing for its common sense, agenda free viewpoint. But there’s no common sense in this article. First, New York can hardly be categorized as a lockdown state. Its cowardly governor took lockdown steps, half hearted ones, when it was far too late. Second, New York is NYC, with a population density that’s far above Sweden’s. Third, Sweden might be a statistical anomaly. They got lucky. Other countries like Brazil and UK, employing de facto herd immunity similar to Sweden, ain’t doing so well. Epidemiology is complex and counterintuitive, easy to misinterpret with premature and scientifically flaccid theses. But there are some simple, obvious patterns:

    All we had to do was wear masks for six weeks. The pandemic would have been negligible, and we would have had the time and a low pressure national environment to rationally reopen our economy. We had an ideal working covid response model from the remarkable China approach. Now we’re reaping the chaos of indecision. There are no alternatives to the de facto, chaotic herd immunity pattern that will haunt us for years to come, with new surges, new panicked lockdowns.

    America is childlike. It needed strong leadership at all levels. The only silver lining to this is that we all see how incompetent all US public officials are. We can always debate ideology. What’s beyond debate is how lame our ruling class is, and how perpetually duped and uninvolved the electorate is.

  3. The reason for the lockdowns is, as usual, corruption and money. Big Ag, Big Pharma, the medical establishment, government agencies like the FDA, etc. and ‘nutritionists’ are all part of a giant system that touts the value of low fat, high carb processed foods which are cheap to manufacture, and expensive drugs to treat the multitude of problems which result from the bad health status they cause.

    Sweden’s approach has been the most sensible, but that’s a very low bar to pass.
    Even a general recommendation for social distancing is counterproductive and unnecessary.

    Given the way corona virus is being handled, one would think we don’t realize that people die quite regularly, especially when they’re in bad condition. Now, we’re practically demanding that nobody should die from catching a microbe – that we should stay home and hold our breath until everyone is guaranteed to survive. Since when have we ever believed that? Is that how we built civilization? The civilization that we’re now destroying?

    There’s little reason for insulin-sensitive people – with healthy immune status and without metabolic disease – to stay home, wear a mask or ‘social distance’ themselves. Since they won’t be getting seriously ill, their staying home wouldn’t help ‘flatten the curve’ of sick people overburdening the healthcare system (as usual, to the expense of all of us). On the contrary, active healthy people can contribute something to the economy.

    The main benefit of herd immunity is that it will allow the country to function again. And that would be good for everyone, healthy and sickly alike. The metabolically/immunologically compromised will be vulnerable to catching the corona virus from anyone who’s contracted it and is temporarily contagious, no matter whether the carrier’s general health is good or poor. And that’s the same fix that people with poor immune function are in, always and everywhere. The answer for protecting these most vulnerable people from COVID – which is only one of the many dangers to their health that they face – can be one of two things; the best one being that they start eating right. And/or, we can build as much equipment and medical facilities, where they’re most needed, as they may require. Either of these solutions is much more viable, less disruptive and less expensive than what we’re doing now. And with either solution, healthier people would no longer be punished for possessing normal human vitality.

    While governments, health agencies and scientists take steps to upgrade the availability of care facilities, equipment and treatments, individuals should follow this
    CORONA VIRUS PROTOCOL
    Part A (Everyone)
    Begin a therapeutic diet to quickly upgrade and regulate the immune system. This consists of, wholly or mostly:
    Home cooked meat, oily fish, eggs (especially yolks), animal fat, bone broth, collagen or gelatin, and liver, and the elimination of corn, soy, canola, safflower, sunflower, grapeseed and rice bran oils as well as flours, sugar and prepared foods.

    Part B (those most at risk for COVID complications- individuals with high BMI or chronic health issues, or taking prescription medications, etc.)
    While following the part A protocol, take reasonable precautions to limit your exposure to possible infection from others, such as limiting time or wearing a mask when in close contact with other people.

    • Agree: Alfred, St-Germain
    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
  4. Sweden also knew what the French and Germans and others in the EU knew — that their ‘diverse’ folks would go into bloody battle rather than be ‘shut down’ by the folks who are supporting them …

    • Replies: @Alfred
  5. @Paul Lacques

    I agree completely. Whitney writes as if he knew everything about corona and as if we now know everything about it and it agress with what he knew before. But his arguments are poor and we still don’t know a lot of things about corona.

    The numbers of the John Hopins University for Sweden are much higher and say that there were a few days in the last days when about 20 people died in a day and in the last 5 weeks there were a few days when between 60 and 110 people died in a day.

    The first graphic that I find about Germany says that in the last 2 weeks in most days a few people died, from 1 to 6 and there is one day when 10 people died. Two months ago there were a few days in Germany (2 or 3) when more than 100 people died in a day. The number of deaths has decreased constantly in Germany in the last 3 months. It should be mentioned that Germany’s population is much bigger than Sweden’s and that I think the conditions are really much more challenging. I don’t know what could have been done better.

    I think that the headlines about Sweden that Whitney mentions are basically right. He says that the press has an interest in speaking badly about Sweden, but then he mentions other articles which favour Sweden’s way. He says that restrictions are a way to control the population. But the restrictions caused conflicts, affected the economy negatively (what would have happened anyway because of the virus). I don’t see why governments would impose such restrictions if they weren’t necessary. Actually governments took too long to impose restrictions which they didn’t want at all. There are still no penalitys for people who don’t use masks where they should use them like in trains. Meanwhile most people think that they are reasonable.

    Whitney speaks about our natural immunity. He seems to forget about the 50 million people who died because of the spanish flu. People always had measures to fight epidemies and pandemics. Der Spiegel has an article today (behind a paywall) which talks about the case of Georgia in the Caucasus. They took precautions very early. 16 people died. In Armenia without such precautions (similar population and the same geographic area) there were almost 700 dead.

    Of course, corona is a challenge and nobody has a perfect solution for it, or maybe any solution at all. Economic problems are inevitable. We still don’t know a lot of things about corona. But everybody knows that a situation like in Spain and in Italy is the last thing that we want to happen.

    • Agree: Larry Romanoff
    • Troll: VinnyVette
  6. Tack så mycket Mike/ Thanks alot Mike!
    Yeah.
    You most definitely have drawn the right conclusions.

    The fact is, if one applies simple mathematics and, has any basic understanding of the *Total # of Deaths vs Time Period*-graphs well, the ‘area under the curve’ is…total number of deaths during that time-period.
    I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone anywhere make that ‘connection’.
    It was the whole-point of *flattening the curve*!
    Even the medical doctors & scientists when talking about what’s ‘normal’ with regards to dying.
    Well, take a look at the 1st graph found here under the heading *Antal döda per vecka 2020*/Number of Deaths 2020.
    And, then click on the little black curved box directly underneath *Spela från början*/Play from the beginning:
    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/overdodlighet-under-corona/
    You will see the total # of deaths for 2015-forward.
    This article from SVT-Swedish National TV is from the 15th of July.
    The SCB-Statistiska Centralbyrån statistics used for the last 2-weeks in the survey are ‘preliminary’ and normally revised for ‘errors’ after an additional couple of weeks.
    Anyway, they are damned-close.

    But, back to…what’s ‘normal’ in Sweden.
    Well, here’s some sensational…facts:

    View post on imgur.com


    and,You people might want to know something about *SCB-Statistiska Centralbyrån*:
    https://www.scb.se/
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=scb+statistiska+centralbyr%C3%A5n&t=ffcm&atb=v224-1&ia=web

    Probably most important was what Johan Giesecke was saying many many months ago still applies.
    i.e. “Let’s wait and see what the real numbers are after a year, then we’ll really see what happened”:
    *No Reinfection! Lockdowns Pointless! Ex Swedish Govt Epidemiologist Prof Johan Giesecke On Covid-19*

    BTW, the county I live in in Sweden has 45,000+ citizens.
    21 have died of covid19.
    15 of them were in old-age homes.
    My next door neighbors are a couple in the 70+ group.
    She was quite ill but, was at home the whole-time!
    Never was hospitalized.
    He had a…mild cold for only a few days.

    There’s much much more I could ‘report’ but, I can assure you all that Mike’s got the right way of seeing things.
    X-

    ps. bing translate is quite ok translating the SVT-article.
    https://www.bing.com/translator
    pss. i’m an old ‘new jersey guy’ living in Sweden/Scandinavia for 40 years now.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Thanks: Alfred, Curmudgeon
  7. @UncommonGround

    So governments never impose restrictions that aren’t necessary? The lockdowns will go down in history as the most egregious public policy error since Prohibition.

  8. @Paul Lacques

    Third, Sweden might be a statistical anomaly. They got lucky. Other countries like Brazil and UK, employing de facto herd immunity similar to Sweden, ain’t doing so well.

    On the contrary, we botched a good strategy by failing to protect nursing homes from the virus, losing thousands of lives in the process. This is the main coronavirus debate in Sweden now, and I think deservedly.

    All we had to do was wear masks for six weeks. The pandemic would have been negligible, and we would have had the time and a low pressure national environment to rationally reopen our economy.

    The trouble with this view, which I see here on Unz Review all the time, is that it rarely comes with a strategy. If your goal is herd immunity, mandatory mask wearing is self-defeating in that it only prolongs the immunity build-up; if it’s not, it clearly makes every sense.

    • Thanks: ziggurat
    • Replies: @Jack Garbo
  9. @UncommonGround

    The numbers of the John Hopins University for Sweden are much higher and say that there were a few days in the last days when about 20 people died in a day and in the last 5 weeks there were a few days when between 60 and 110 people died in a day.

    I’d rather go by the offical Swedish figures. Here are those for the past week:

    Jul 25: 0
    Jul 24: 10
    Jul 23: 1
    Jul 22: 3
    Jul 21: 5
    Jul 20: 4
    Jul 19: 4

    That is, about four deaths a day (which amounts to about 132 American deaths a day).

    (These are the figures as of July 25. You will note that Whitney’s claim of about two deaths a day over the past week is not quite correct — the Swedish authorities revise recent figures as new data comes in, making the figures of the past weeks unreliable — but his argument of sharply reduced death figures [and, one might add, confirmed-case figures] still stands.)

  10. SteveK9 says:

    According to the interviewer on ‘Unherd’ of Tegnell, nobody in Stockholm is wearing masks, restaurants are crowded. He asked Tegnell, and his answer was … there is no evidence that they work and we can always use them if that changes. I wish I were in Stockholm.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  11. @Paul Lacques

    chaotic herd immunity pattern that will haunt us for years to come, with new surges, new panicked lockdowns

    You don’t seem to know the meaning of ‘herd immunity’.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Disagree: botazefa
  12. SteveK9 says:

    The data from the ECDC is basically the same, showing a strong decrease, but deaths are higher. Anyone know why?

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  13. Damian says:

    Sweden has opened an inquiry into its disastrous Covid-19 response. Sweden’s head of state, Stefan Lofven, has very publicly declared Sweden’s approach to the Corona virus a failure and has demanded that it be changed. It’s death rate is forty percent higher than the US’s, twelve times that of Norway, seven times that of Finland and six times that of Denmark. It’s death rate is the fifth highest in the world. Sweden’s approach did not save it’s economy either. It has experienced a five percent contraction. It’s preposterous to describe this as success.

    • Agree: Larry Romanoff
    • Troll: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  14. @SteveK9

    According to the interviewer on ‘Unherd’ of Tegnell, nobody in Stockholm is wearing masks, restaurants are crowded. He asked Tegnell, and his answer was … there is no evidence that they work and we can always use them if that changes. I wish I were in Stockholm.

    He is right about the dearth of mask wearers, but that has been true since day one and strictly tracks government policy (if Swedes were told to wear masks, they would start wearing them overnight).

    Very much disagree, however, with his outlandish claim that masks don’t work (surely the evidence is the other way). Whether mask wearing is right for Sweden is another matter altogether, and one where I tend to side with his view.

    • Disagree: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Uomiem
  15. @SteveK9

    The data from the ECDC is basically the same, showing a strong decrease, but deaths are higher. Anyone know why?

    Difference between reported deaths per day (no matter when they fell) and actual deaths per day (accounting for the exact day they fell).

  16. It’s not lockdowns that are the problem, it’s incompetent lockdowns. China’s economy grew 6.4% in Q2.

  17. @Damian

    Sweden’s head of state, Stefan Lofven, has very publicly declared Sweden’s approach to the Corona virus a failure and has demanded that it be changed.

    That would be King Carl XVI Gustaf, not the head of government, Stefan Löfven.

    • Replies: @Damian
  18. Damian says:
    @Swedish Family

    Ok, the head of the Swedish government. The man with the job that actually matters, not the man whose job is nothing more than ceremonial. Why would anyone quote him?

    What is remarkable to me is that what Whitney calls a brilliant success, the highest ranking member of Sweden’s government has characterized as a failure. Does anyone sincerely believe that Sweden’s approach has yielded better results than China’s or Korea’s? They have had only a fraction of Sweden’s death rate and have vastly outperformed Sweden economically. I used to have a lot of respect for Whitney but he has gone completely off the rails lately.

    • Replies: @Camille
    , @Swedish Family
  19. Biff says:

    In Thailand, with a population of 69.5 million people we had 3282 confirmed cases and 58 corona virus deaths.
    The lockdown with curfew started about mid March and lasted till July, and the country is now essentially Covid free.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  20. Camille says:
    @Damian

    BTW, Charlie Baker is a Republican Governor- hard to take Whitney seriously with errors like this.

  21. Camille says:

    Charlie Baker is a Republican governor.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  22. @Godfree Roberts

    You remind me of Walter Duranty.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  23. Escher says:

    There’s so much contradictory and scattered information out there that it’s almost impossible to determine the truth.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  24. Escher says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    What exactly does XJ pay you, God Free?

    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  25. TKK says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Remarkably, I have read that gargling with warm salt water 4 (four) times a day kills the Corona Virus in your mucous membranes- preventing it from traveling down to your lungs where the catastrophic damage begins.

    The study also stated a simple zinc supplement zaps the virus of its ability to reproduce.

    For this the entire USA economy is tanked, and we can’t get out of the country?

    BTW, private charters and yachts are allowed to the Maldives, Tahiti, Dubai and many other luxury destinations. Read the fine print on the travel restrictions. It’s commercial flights that are denied entry.

    The great unwashed masses can’t fly commercial anywhere now except Mexico and some small islands in the Caribbean, but if you have access to private transport- read exceptional wealth– the world is open to you.

    The days of the common man seeing the world may be over. This is a great tragedy, the end of true freedom and self determination.

    And so it begins.

    • Agree: Alfred
  26. Mefobills says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    You are making an ad-hominem.

    Ad hominem is a logical fallacy that involves a personal attack: an argument based on the perceived failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case. In short, it’s when your rebuttal to an opponent’s position is an irrelevant attack on the opponent personally rather than the subject at hand, to discredit the position by discrediting its supporter.

    https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/06/portrait-of-evil-walter-duranty-the-new-york-times-moscow-bureau-chief-who-deliberately-hid-soviet-imposed-famine-that-killed-millions-in-ukraine/

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  27. joe2.5 says:
    @Paul Lacques

    There’s one, vital, piece of the puzzle that shouldn’t be minimized: isolating the people at risk.
    The recommendation to the elderly and otherwise at-risk people to isolate themselves, in Sweden, comes together with non negligible advantages re income make-up, social worker nurse tec. assistance, allowing the old to effectively isolate; also the proportion of old people living alone or as a couple only is higher than in many other places. Once the old and frail are taken care of, the risk to the young and healthy remains low as everybody knows. Wearing masks by itself helps a lot but it is not enough, as confirmed by several publications, based mainly on the Chinese tracking data.

    The Chinese success was mainly based on isolating the people at risk, too — although they also traced and isolated (really isolated, not locked with their family) anyone possibly contaminated, which was the key to their success. The lockdown in China was maybe not one of the elements that insured success — I suspect it was part of the strategy mainly because the Chinese government (justifiedly) was expecting this epidemic to be part of biological warfare.

  28. What the chart shows is that mask wearing and wiping your fingers every two minutes has nothing to do with the disease. The curve followed it’s own trajectory and had nothing to do with the insanity we were engaged in like staying 6 feet apart. If this was a real bioweapon, you’d need more like 6 miles of separation.

    A virus is measured in nanometers (10 to the -9 meters) and mask pore size or weave is measured in microns (10 to the -6 meters). This means the mask is about as effective as a chain link fence stopping gnats. All these idiots insisting on mask wearing are clueless as they get.

    Viruses are so small, they are (supposedly) segments of RNA, which is way smaller than a DNA chromosome which is also tiny and many of them fit inside the nucleus of a cell. Well a virus is a very short length of a half of a DNA strand. Good luck stopping that.

    When you get down to small particles that are many times smaller than regular dust cells, they are so light they don’t fall out of the air very fast. Gravity has little to do with them circulating in a room, so when an infected person coughs trillions of those little bugs go out and become even distributed in the room as if they were a gas molecule.

    That means wearing a mask into a restaurant, then taking it off to eat is a worthless strategy. Think of fart molecules, do your jeans stop them from blowing around a room? Virus same thing. You can not stop the spread of virus in highly social settings, everyone gets them, and those who are old or have a previous condition can fall ill and die.

    The world has had many pandemics before, even plagues. But we never surrendered our freedom, we carried on and the disease passes. Some people die, that is the way it is when you are in hell. What is going on now with the mask is batshit cultural insanity. Humans have completely lost their marbles over this “live” exercise.

    • Agree: Ivan, Robert Dolan, Alfred
    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
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  30. Except that I lost my right leg, not my left.

  31. Nurhachi says:
    @Cucksworth

    Interesting article, but you are wrong about Massachusetts governor Charlie Baker’s political party: He’s Republican, not Democrat. He is of the liberal wing of the party though.

  32. AKAHorace says:
    @john cronk

    Part A (Everyone)
    Begin a therapeutic diet to quickly upgrade and regulate the immune system. This consists of, wholly or mostly:
    Home cooked meat, oily fish, eggs (especially yolks), animal fat, bone broth, collagen or gelatin, and liver, and the elimination of corn, soy, canola, safflower, sunflower, grapeseed and rice bran oils as well as flours, sugar and prepared foods.

    Seriously ? It is easier and less intrusive for the govt to tell people to wear a mask when indoors in public places than regulate their diets. From experience in Asia masks look as if they work, your diet may work but is untested on a large scale.

    • Replies: @Herald
  33. Mr. Anon says:
    @Paul Lacques

    First, New York can hardly be categorized as a lockdown state. Its cowardly governor took lockdown steps, half hearted ones, when it was far too late.

    New York took far more stringent lockdown measures than Sweden did. So did 39 other states in the US, including Michigan, Massachusetts, and New Jersey. See the chart below.

    Second, New York is NYC, with a population density that’s far above Sweden’s.

    The population density for most of the population of Japan is at least as high as for NYC, maybe higher. Japan had no general lockdown, and the government even admitted it had no legal authority to impose a lockdown. Other than a few school closures and the cancellation of large events, life did not change much. See the chart below.

    Third, Sweden might be a statistical anomaly.

    They weren’t. Japan had even better results with no mandatory lockdown. See the chart below.

    Other countries like Brazil and UK, employing de facto herd immunity similar to Sweden, ain’t doing so well.

    Brazil has so far done no worse than any number of countries that imposed draconian lockdowns. The UK almost intstantly abandoned the swedish approach and implemented a very draconian lockdown about the same time as most states in the US did. See the chart below.

    But there are some simple, obvious patterns:

    Indeed, see the chart below.

    As of July 26th, 2020

    Gross death-rate (COVID deaths / population):

    [MORE]

    Belgium: 0.086%

    Brazil: 0.041%

    France: 0.045%

    Germany: 0.011%

    Italy: 0.058%

    Ireland: 0.036%

    Japan: 0.0008%

    Mexico: 0.034%

    Netherlands: 0.036%

    Spain: 0.061%

    Sweden: 0.056%

    UK: 0.069%

    US (overall): 0.045%

    Arizona: 0.045%

    California: 0.021%

    Florida: 0.027%

    Massachusetts: 0.123%

    Michigan: 0.064%

    New Jersey: 0.178%

    New York State: 0.085%
    (excepting NYC)

    New York City: 0.273%

    Ohio: 0.028%

    Texas: 0.017%

    The only pattern that emerges is that death-rate is uncorrelated with the degree of lockdown.

    • Thanks: Ivan
    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
    , @Tor597
  34. There was a moment a few months ago when a little dissent could have given us a more rational response.

    But all public voices, including in the HBD world, chimed in with total support for a fierce lockdown.

    • Agree: Thirdtwin
    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
  35. Alfred says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Some people are immune to common sense. You my dear Paul are one of them.

    Sadly, the whole population of Australia seems to have no common sense. They are in such a panic about the meaningless “positive” PCR result for healthy people that they are closing internal borders and similar nonsense. Walkers in Melbourne’s parks are obliged to wear masks. They are debating whether cyclists and joggers should also wear masks. It is absolutely incredible how stupid they have become.

    The seven men who died were aged in their 40s to their 70s, while the three women who died were aged in their 70s and 80s.

    Of the seven men, three were in their 70s, two in their 80s, one in his 60s and one in his 40s.

    You can be pretty sure that the man in his 40’s was either morbidly obese or with pre-existing conditions.

    Victoria records 10 new deaths, 459 new cases

    This nonsense is going to go on for years – until there is herd immunity in Australia.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @refl
    , @Ultrafart the Brave
  36. Juri says:

    Count Eastern Europe also in.

    Sweden population 10.2 million, 5667 deaths
    Czech Republic, population also 10.6 million, deaths 368
    Hungary , population, 9.7 million, deaths 596
    Poland, population 40 million, deaths 1664

    And so on. With lockdown, average EE country had appox 10 times less death per million.

    • Agree: Larry Romanoff
    • Replies: @Redman
    , @Alfred
  37. Alfred says:
    @Dago Shoes

    Sweden also knew what the French and Germans and others in the EU knew

    Actually, the key factor is that the Jewish owners (Bonnier) of much of the media made the mistake of selling back to the government at a high price the TV channel that they had bought for a song a few years back. Their greed got in the way.

    Because the government could inform the public directly, the public supported the limited measures. The public ignored their lying press.

    Bonnier Group

    • Agree: Ivan
  38. GMC says:

    Kind of missing the elephant in the room though. This was a weaponized virus and it’s owners can spread another , stronger version , in the country they wish to have more deaths/illness. Sure looks like the US has been targeted and given the stronger strain – for economic/ social destruction. Only a few websites have dealt with this – Elephant.

  39. Not to worry, folks: there will be no problem with COVID-19 in the United States fifteen minutes after Joe Biden takes the oath of office in January 2021..

    At least according to the media and the CDC..

    • Replies: @Fred777
  40. Mr. Anon says:
    @Camille

    Charlie Baker is a Republican Governor.

    In Massachusetts, it hardly matters.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
  41. Miro23 says:

    The secret of Sweden’s success is that its experts settled on a strategy that was realistic, sustainable and science-based. The intention was never to “fight” the virus which is among the most contagious infections in the last century, but to protect the old and vulnerable while allowing the young, low-risk people to circulate, contract the virus, and develop the antibodies they’d need to fight similar pathogens in the future. It’s clear now that that was the best approach.

    This happens to be the way that humans have evolved over eons to deal with viruses – and the Swedish government followed their own independent scientific advice.

    But that’s not what’s unrolling here, This is an entirely different story. It’s quite likely part of a crazy ZioGlob MSM bio-warfare/propaganda strike directed at China, which could yet bring an even more impressive set of military conflict type problems.

  42. meamjojo says:

    Despite Fauci getting caught not wearing a mask a few times in the last few days, just a few days ago he is quoted as saying the “coronavirus won’t ever be eradicated”. Have all the financial, job/career and business bankruptcies caused by these lockdowns been for naught?

    Dr. Anthony Fauci warns the coronavirus won’t ever be eradicated
    Published Wed, Jul 22 2020

    Key Points

    – White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said it is unlikely Covid-19 will ever be eradicated.
    – Fauci said the virus is unlike SARS, a coronavirus that emerged in the early 2000s and was contained.
    – Fauci’s comments are at odds with President Trump, who reiterated his claim Tuesday evening that the virus would disappear.
    – U.S. health officials do not see “an end in sight” to the pandemic.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/22/dr-anthony-fauci-warns-the-coronavirus-wont-ever-be-totally-eradicated.html

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  43. Alfred says:
    @UncommonGround

    Whitney speaks about our natural immunity. He seems to forget about the 50 million people who died because of the spanish flu

    Comparing this infection to the Spanish flu is the ultimate proof that you have lost the argument. 🙂

    The Spanish flu killed those with the strongest immune systems – not those over 70. It spared those with natural immunity from previous, much milder, infections. Those who get infected with Covid-19 and whose immune system handled it are perhaps at a lower risk when Covid-21 comes along.

    Today, there are many treatments for the cytokine storm that killed those young people in 1918.

    The good news is that “we now have a variety of therapeutic options to treat cytokine storm syndrome,” Cron said. “But especially a lot of the older physicians don’t know what this is.” That was one of Cron’s primary motivating factors in writing his book, he said. “Cytokine Storm Syndrome” offers detailed descriptions of symptoms and clinical presentations, along with the latest treatments and care regimens. “The sooner you recognize it, the better the outcomes,” Cron said. “If we can get people to diagnose this in the ER and the ICU, that would be ideal.”

    Here’s a playbook for stopping deadly cytokine storm syndrome

    • Replies: @glib
  44. padre says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Whole country is statistical anomaly?

  45. @Escher

    Why would XJ want to pay me anything?

    Everything I write is based on Western sources and readily verifiable/falsifiable.

    Perhaps you are unaccustomed to reading truthful information about China–something you share with 99% of Americans. As another Unz contributor wrote recently, “I am an American inside China. I read both Chinese and American ‘news.’ I live, breathe and fully understand China and no, it does not resemble anything even remotely like the image and the caricature that is portrayed inside of America. What passes for ‘news’ out of America these days isn’t any kind of reporting, or even educated editorials. It’s mostly pure lies and distortions. Writers take a piece of information and twist it beyond recognition into something evil, dirty and dangerous. No wonder Americans are so petrified and afraid of the rest of the world”. Metallicman.

    Your question assumes that those who tell the truth are influenced by the PRC.

    Does that strike you as odd?

    Or have I written something that is untrue or deliberately misleading?

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Escher
    , @Mark G.
    , @Jazman
  46. Alvin says:

    If you ask me, Sweden went too far but better than the rest. I would have done absolutely nothing, treated it like any other viral infection, and let individuals and organizations decide what works best for them.

    • Agree: Redman
  47. Akouo says:

    Seems like saying that the sky is blue or the grass is green. We know that it was never about viruses really and in any case, Sweden would never have successfully locked down it’s migrant population so they had to stay open. The NYT though! There really are no levels of anti-journalism that they eschew.

  48. G. Poulin says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Correct. Here in Massachusetts, the Republican Party is just the ladies’ auxiliary of the Democratic Party. We are effectively a one-party state.

  49. Herald says:
    @AKAHorace

    Masks don’t work ask the CDC and Tony Fauci. Virus are just too small and easily pass through the filters in the masks that are in common public use. Masks also have negative health implications for the user that are unrelated to coronavirus.

    However, if they actually worked as viral filters they would still be a real problem, in that they would prevent the herd immunity from quickly building up in the healthy. Either way the non-vulnerable public should not be burdened with useless politically mandated masks.

    The strategy with Covid-19 is clear. Protect the vulnerable, while letting the maskless healthy get on with life, so allowing herd immunity to be built up quickly.

    Most importantly all of us should stay away from flu vaccines and run like hell from any vaccine, which is sponsored by the great depopulator, Bill Gates. Control freak Bill’s Covid-19 vaccines will be the main plank in, the long planned, great culling of the masses.

    • Agree: Yukon Jack
    • Replies: @utu
    , @dimples
  50. This ‘plague’ was a dud. Even in the big, bad US, deaths peaked way back in mid-April. The media just keep flogging the rising ‘cases’ story to justify ex-post-facto all the damage that was done to our economy and civil liberties. That’s why nobody should trust them.

  51. New Zealand (5million people) is virtually coronovirus free for several weeks now. There have been a few returnees from oversea who have been tested positive. All returnees are obliged to go for two week in quarantine in government appointed hotels.

    • Replies: @Yawrate
  52. onebornfree says: • Website

    For the most part, the responses here consist of a bunch of idiot slave goons, too stupid to even have any inkling that they are in fact slaves, arguing over which criminal government has had “the best” plandemic response to date. Pathetic but predictable are some of the words that come to mind.

    You all deserve,the permanent lockdowns that are headed your way, you fucking clueless, masked, morons!

    “Government always knows best” is your unspoken mantra. Or “I want the government to run my life, because I can’t”. You all deserve to be the slaves you [nearly ] all already are.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, the entire worldwide economy is in total [planned] collapse, and is going to get a lot worse, directly because of y’alls fanatic devotion to your ” the government knows best” horseshit [which you have all so willingly swallowed, “hook line and sinker”for many years], thereby ensuring that governments will respond by increasing their power over your pathetic lives EVEN MORE THAN AT PRESENT , by making your lives even more restricted than they already are.

    This will be accomplished by yet more fake pandemics and even more murderous “essential” lockdowns, mandatory DNA altering vaccinations [with invisible markers to prove vaccination] , and most importantly, via YOUR OWN IDIOTIC CONSENT, because, tah-dah! : you are a slave and: “Government always knows best!”

    You all richly deserve to be the slaves most of you already are, you worthless , clueless, mask-wearing motherfuckers! I can only hope you all get to rot to death by starvation in the next “government knows best!” “lockdown all the idiot slaves” scenario headed your way [courtesy of yourself] , this fall. You certainly deserve that fitting end, too.

    Zero regards, onebornfree

  53. I am sorry to contradict Mr. Whitney on this matter, but his article is categorically false and irresponsible as hell. Publishing such cherry-picking rubbish is unforgivable.

    Here are some current real numbers. Draw your own conclusions.

    Sweden – No Lockdown
    Population 10 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 5,700

    Denmark – Lockdown
    Population 6 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 604

    Norway – Lockdown
    Population 5 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 239

    .

    Beijing – Lockdown
    Population 20 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 9

    Shanghai – Lockdown
    Population 25 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 7

    Hong Kong – Lockdown
    Population 7 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 18

    Hubei (Wuhan) – Lockdown
    Population 60 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 4,500

    South Korea – Lockdown
    Population 50 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 300

    .

    USA – No Lockdown
    Population 330 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 150,000

    Brazil – No Lockdown
    Population 201 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 87,000

    China – Lockdown
    Population 1,400 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 4,600 (4,500 in Wuhan)

  54. Brev says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Childlike in the sense that we, US, are shielded from reality, are told and believe fairytales, coddled etc. Maybe we’ll grow up a little after this debacle.

  55. A few inaccuracies. Gov. Baker of Massachusetts is a Republican. The Public Health policies of the states were not Democrat or Republican (most governors are competency-challenged, generally).

    Sweden gives a nice counterpoint to the much of the developed West for covid-19 strategies. Like Belgium and the US states they suffered inordinately from nursing home/ assisted living deaths (40-55% of the total); unlike the US they quickly accepted blame and said they had made mistakes in that area (Gov Cuomo of NY is a murderer, sending infected patients to nursing homes to spread the disease). In the US the annual mortality rate in nursing homes is about 30% accounting for 20-25% of all deaths in the US (500,000-600,000). Covid-19 may be preferable to Alzheimer’s or cancer.

    Most governments are well aware that 80% of so of covid deaths are age 65 or older. No matter what the MSM spews this is the reality, and the financial industry, government bureaucrats and politicians are not too worked up about deaths of ‘unproductive’ people who suck up pension payments and medical costs. The MSM tried to build up the lie that everyone is susceptible to death by covid-19. According to the CDC, there have been 36 deaths from those 14 or younger, in the same period there were 299 deaths from flu or pneumonia in this young group.

    The immunity to coronaviruses is NOT largely antibody dependent (a worry for vaccines, probably will work, just not physiological). It seems to be memory T cell mediated ( a recent Nature paper from Singapore found that although antibodies to SARS-CoV2 are known to fade quickly, memory T cells still conferred immunity 16 years after the SARS epidemic, and were long-lasting in those recovering from covid-19, antibodies or not. Most importantly many people with no exposure to SARs or covid-19 had immunity, presumably from common cold coronaviruses, share a different region of the coronavirus family.) The “fade” of the pandemic in most countries and in the NorthEast US states hit earliest, suggests that immunity has occured, even if not understood. NYC had “only” 25% of people with covid-19 antibodies (suggesting to some that 75% are still vulnerable), yet their death rate has dropped 50-fold since their peak in early April; there is no way that this could happen in three months without widespread immunity (and of course Gov Cuomo has instituted a quarantine on outsiders to protect these immune NYers, after threatening to sue anyone who tried to “interfere” with NYers spreading the virus). Europe, not just Sweden, has also beaten the virus, almost surely due to immunity. They too are closing the barndoor after the livestock have left; travel bans are only effective BEFORE the virus enters a country in a big way.

  56. Miro23 says:

    As we’ve noted before, the media has been particularly vicious in their criticism of Sweden’s approach which they’ve characterized as overly “relaxed.”

    Remember that the MSM are the propaganda arm of the ZioGlob/CIA.

    Their reaction to this virus is a politicized exaggeration. It’s being made the centre piece of a whole set of anti-China activity (Covid19, Hong Kong, S.China Sea, Huawei, Embassy spying, Uighur prison camps etc.)

    China is surely being set up for something big, and while it’s happening “Covid19 denial ” will be harshly punished.

  57. Emslander says:
    @Escher

    There’s so much contradictory and scattered information out there that it’s almost impossible to determine the truth.

    Except that your statement is the most accurate (true) comment here today.

    Statistics have convinced no one of anything. The author uses statistics that seem to prove his point and commenters use statistics the seem to prove the opposite point. Johns Hopkins has statistics that are either more or less factual than Sweden’s statistics.

    I think the most one can say is that people will die, for whatever reason, and people stay alive. Some are sick and some stay well.

  58. @Paul Lacques

    I guess I’m catching on here. The gold border is for the commenter who kisses the most CCP ass. “Remarkable”, eh? Yeah, more on that. I am a guy who has been to China just under a dozen times. I don’t have all bad to say about the place by any means and am a Sinophile, as far as the people go (not so much in terms of the land – they are not blessed in the way America is in this sense – and especially not with their government). (See
    “A Peak Stupidity apology to our Chinese readers”
    for my impressions of the amazing infrastructure work and manufacturing prowess of modern China.)

    From my Chinaman source, I am aware of a lot more problems going on there right now than this Kung Flu response stupidity. 2/3 to 3/4 of the provinces have heavy flooding right now, and there will be big crop failures. Inflation has been high there for years (maybe America’s biggest export to the place). Manufacturing has been moving away to Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc, for a while now, and that will accelerate now that the flood of cheap labor (born before the 1-child policy) has ebbed. The recurrence of this virus will not be the biggest of China’s problems in the near future. Don’t worry guys, I’m sure Mr. Unz or Mr. Roberts can write some great articles on how all of that is America’s fault too.

    Now, Mike Whitney’s article is on the virus, so let me ask the reader and commenters a question: Do you know how a virus operates? It’s NOT an easy concept. Do you think it can just be wiped out to never reproduce again? A virus exists between the living and the dead. It’s really just a big complicated molecule. It’s not thought of as “life” per the normal definition because it can’t reproduce on it’s own.

    Over in China, there were massive LOCKDOWNS. High-rise apartment buildings were locked at the lobby. It was some draconian shit that I never want to see here. Perhaps you do, Paul Lacques. This COVID-19 is a deadly virus not the 2nd coming of the Black Plague Now, as commenter Digital Samizdat noted somewhere on unz – If it were the Black Plague, we wouldn’t be having discussions about whether this was the Black Plague or not.

    I don’t know a single soul who has died from the COVID-19. Maybe some of you do. Creating a national or State emergency from what will be just a bad flu season at the worst is uncalled for and totalitarian. China will see the virus again, hopefully in a weaker form, as with any flu after immunity builds, just as we will. However, even if they truly saved 10’s of thousands of lives with their draconian totalitarian bullshit, I don’t want any part of it here. Americans should be proud of anyone who has resisted the more totalitarian of the measures seen here.

  59. utu says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “Publishing such cherry-picking rubbish is unforgivable.” – Demagogue extraordinaire.

  60. utu says:

    Sweden manipulates covid-19 data:

    The Swedish Solution to Covid-19 — a Forensic Analysis of Apparent Data Manipulation (July 03, 2020):
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/3/1957787/-The-Swedish-Solution-to-Covid-19-a-Forensic-Analysis-of-Apparent-Data-Manipulation

    What to do? Since the real problem is with Sweden’s current fatality rate, which while it has fallen from the 600+ deaths per week levels back in April down to ~200 per week more recently, is still a lot higher than her neighbors may feel comfortable with (which are all now down to low single digits); and even worse an infection rate that has actually doubled from the ~3500 new cases per week of April to the current 7000+ cases per week currently (a rate equivalent to 25,000+ in the USA, and compared to Denmark’s <300 per week, Norway’s ~100 per week, and Finland’s <70 per week).

    Since the current new infection numbers are so large, there isn’t really much that can be done to disguise either the long-term trends or even the weekly stats, but apparently over the mid-Summer holiday back in June, someone in the Health Ministry hit upon a rather ingenious method of obfuscating at least the short-term day-to-day numbers. Prior to this, Sweden had followed the custom of nearly all other data reporting countries in assigning new cases to the day they were actually reported out, rather than the day the test was conducted or the day the results were first obtained — which is why we tend to see a “weekend effect” in data reporting to begin with.

    I wrote about it on May 15:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/in-the-race-for-immunity-sweden-leads-the-pack/?showcomments#comment-3896756
    I keep checking their website every few days and every time their daily death plot looks very similar, i.e., last three four m most recent days have only at most 5, 10, 20 deaths and yet the totals keep changing by 100 or 200. This means that their daily deaths plot is fake. It always looks as if the epidemic ended but they keep adding deaths cases by spreading them over many days back which does not change the plot shape. Why do they report deaths cases with so many days delays? Is Sweden a backward country that some people are dead somewhere in the woods and can’t be found? No, this is because they are data managing their deaths record to produce results that they want to have. Not all doctors are on board with the official diagnostic policy and the death certificates are challenged and rewritten to report lower covid-19 mortality by assigning more cases to the died-with-covid category.

  61. Fred777 says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    They will wait a couple months after the inauguration to give Joe the appearance of having done something.

  62. Valka says:

    winter will provide the evidence

  63. Saggy says: • Website

    The only number that matters: deaths/M – https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Sweden 564
    South Korea 6
    Denmark 106
    Norway 47
    Finland 59

    Whitney is a fool.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  64. utu says:
    @Herald

    “Virus are just too small and easily pass through the filters in the masks that are in common public use. “

    Yes, viruses are small (10-300 nm) but they rarely travel by themselves. Usually they are a part of droplets that are several orders of magnitude greater that virus itself. However even small nanometer size particles can be effectively stopped by various fabrics particularly when they are in several layers.

    Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

    Filtration efficiencies of the hybrids (such as cotton–silk, cotton–chiffon, cotton–flannel) was >80% (for particles 90% (for particles >300 nm).

    Furthermore mask are not just to protect you but to protect others from you. There are studies that show that when the prevalence of mask wearing in society is over 80% flu epidemics are stopped. Wearing mask is pretty common in East Easy countries, so no wonder that there was no need to propagandize mask wearing and no wonder that countries like Taiwan, South Korea and Japan were so successful in stopping the spread of Covid-19.

    But you are correct that CDC and WHO initially were sending very misleading signals about the effectiveness of mask wearing. I can only speculate on the reason for it. Think about the Big Pharma that has vested interest in pushing universal vaccination. Mask wearing countries in East Asia that are able to effectively suppress flu epidemics w/o vaccinations programs are not good for the flu vaccine business. People like you and many others in America with libertarian ideations against the masks actually are shilling for the Big Pharma and the universal vaccination even if many of you are anti vaxxers at the same time. Stupidity of the useful idiots is not correctable by logical inconsistencies.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    , @Herald
  65. The World Health Organization has stated, the Swedish model was the correct approach. They have also stated “healthy people should not wear masks unless caring for the sick.”
    If the WHO says the second coming of the black death is upon us, government’s and citizens will freak out and listen to them. If the WHO says Sweden got it right, don’t wear masks, government’s and citizens blow them off!
    Surprising to me, I would have expected the WHO to be in on the con to give government’s an excuse to tyranically control their citizens, which is the goal of virtually all government’s across the globe, but they’ve been the only voice of reason in this scamdemic other than Sweden.

    • Replies: @utu
  66. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    “Lockdown State#3: Massachusetts (another Democrat Governor, Charlie Baker)
    Population– 6.9 million #.3 million less than Sweden)
    Coronavirus deaths– 8,380 (1 and a half times Sweden’s total with 3 million less people.”

    I live in Massachusetts.

    Nursing homes make up 60% of cases.

    Black and Hispanic communities suffer from very high infection rates.

    White cities and towns have lower infection rates but the greatest number of infections simply because we are the majority of residents.

    Minorities seem to suffer worse health outcomes.

    Infection rates are declining rapidly.

    The natural life cycle of the virus is nearing it’s end as vulnerable populations have already been infected. Mask wearing and social distancing does help. As does avoidance of large social gatherings.

    I do believe the numbers are inflated. For example, elderly people in nursing homes die every day. I bet every death is being attributed to Covid 19. Doesn’t matter if they are 80 years old with congestive heart failure and severe dementia and on their way out.

    In defense of Charlie Baker, you can see clearly he is annoyed with what is going on. He does not want our economy to remain stagnant. He doesn’t like the mask either. He is a Republican governor in a democratic state. He just says whatever is necessary to keep the peace so he can get back to more important issues. He is not a bad man but he has made some very weak decisions.

    To all the idiots wearing masks when it’s completely unnecessary, like walking down a quiet side street at 9pm in a virtually covid 19 free city or town, as if this virus is floating around waiting to strike, I want to say from the the deepest depths of my being, Fuck You Sheep!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  67. dimples says:
    @Herald

    The masks in most common use are the pleated variety that hang off your ears. Having worn one for a few hours it’s obvious that they are useless since they do not seal on the face. Breath is sucked in and blown out the sides, top and bottom. I don’t know what the material is but it’s not much good either, you might as well use fortified toilet paper. So the rulers specify wearing a mask, then the masses respond by wearing a mask that is utterly and totally useless, but think that it works. Clearly the intelligence of the human race is not at all what it is made out to be.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @AKAHorace
  68. Hacienda says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    However, even if they truly saved 10’s of thousands of lives with their draconian totalitarian bullshit, I don’t want any part of it here. Americans should be proud of anyone who has resisted the more totalitarian of the measures seen here

    .

    I’d like less pride and more actual freedom to go live my life.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  69. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Corony Balony.

    Deadly virus 99.96% BS or Horse Manure.

  70. @utu

    Nice try rationalizing why masks work after acknowledging “yes viruses are too small.” It’s either or. I don’t have the link handy but Google it… The CDC’s own study on the effectiveness of masks against influenza. To paraphrase “they don’t work!” They also comment that surgical masks were never designed nor intended to prevent the spread of viruses bacteria. They’re intent is to protect surgeons, nurses,medical technicians from splashed bodily fluids while performing surgery and other medical procedures, and to protect patients from bodily fluids such as saliva entering open wounds. Whence Fauci originally proclaiming “masks don’t work!” Then flip flopping because of political expediency.
    He’s in on the con, big pharma, control of the population via “medical tyranny.” Fauci has flip flopped so many times, 2.2 million deaths, then 100,000 to 200,000, then less than that, his position on masks, the virus spreading on surfaces or not etc… He has zero credibility, “expert” or not!
    But people like you aren’t going to pay any attention to facts, you’re going to cherry pick and or make up your “facts” to suit your control freak agenda.

    • Agree: Herald
    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  71. Reger says:

    Mr Whitney seems to be suffering from the ‘the home counties posing as the universe’ syndrome. (clue; you need to read some Meredith and Forster to understand)

  72. Yawrate says:
    @Contraviews

    When will people be able to travel to and see the sights in NZ?

    Late 2021 after there is a widely implemented vaccine?

    And the same would apply to Australia, right?

  73. Snert says:

    Initially, the lockdowns were intended to protect the health care system from being overrun and forced into collapse by coronavirus patients.

    The lockdowns were also done on the basis of highly faulty projections coming out of Imperial College in the UK.

    But the surges of cases simply failed to materialize, with the end result that a lot of people who needed to undergo outpatient procedures and other treatments couldn’t get them because elective surgeries and procedures got cancelled to make way for the surges. People were afraid to go to the emergency room for fear of catching the virus and out of fear they wouldn’t get treated.

    What this meant was that the health care system had effectively collapsed, without so much as a single coronavirus patient entering any hospital.

    Things are slowly ramping back up where I live, but the healthcare authorities estimate that it will take up to two years for the backlog in surgeries and other procedures to be cleared. In that time, naturally, people will die needlessly or get sicker unless their cases are put to the head of the line.

    Since the pandemic hit, the lockdowns have taken on a life of their own, no longer being required to protect the hospitals or control the pandemic, but clearly for another purpose that has yet to be disclosed.

    In my part of the country, we’re in Phase Three, which means businesses can fully reopen, but movie theatres cannot as there is a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people. For the same reasons, concerts and indoor sporting events are also banned. And thanks to an edict from our local health department’s chief medical officer, everyone is now required to wear a mask in indoors spaces like retail shops.

    Yet we’ve had relatively few deaths due to the coronavirus, less than 1,000 total cases and no new deaths for six weeks. The hospitals are reporting they are seeing fewer than five new cases per day.

    It seems awfully late in the game and somewhat pointless to be mandating masks when there is so little community spread going on, unless this is an exercise in excessive bureaucratic caution or even arse-covering, or possibly an attempt to cow people into believing the virus is still super-dangerous and thus they will be more likely to accept a vaccine, when and if such a thing arrives.

    Indeed, if you pay careful attention to the news media, they are starting to run stories about people who refused to wear a mask and then caught the coronavirus. Got to keep the herd scared and compliant!

    And I am by no means one of those paranoid, wild-eyed anti-vaxxers who is certain that the powers that be are going to inject us all with nanometre-sized chips they can use to control us.

    As to the elites using the pandemic to control us all, or gain even greater control, I have to ask: isn’t the billions and trillions of wealth they have stolen from the people they seek to control enough? Don’t they already have enough power, more than they’ve ever dreamt of having?

    After a certain amount of money has been amassed, there comes a point where a few more nickels aren’t going to make your life meaningfully or materially better.

    The same thing holds true with power. After a certain point, more power ceases to be of any real utility or benefit.

    Seriously, what is wrong with these people? They seem to be like monkeys in a laboratory whose eyes are glazed over as they endlessly pull the lever to get one more hit of dopamine.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @idrankwhat
  74. ksp says:

    Masks: everyone wears pants but you can still smell their farts.

    • LOL: Ivan
  75. @Paul Lacques

    “All we had to do was wear masks for six weeks,” clucked the cuck.

  76. Is it fair to judge Sweden based on comparisons with Norway and Denmark, both of which had much lower fatality rates?

    Yes, it is. And Sweden does very poorly in these comparisons.

    I don’t deny this fact. If you tally the dead, Sweden loses.

    So why would anyone be stupid enough to defend the Swedish policy?

    Why? Because the death toll is just one part of a much larger picture that includes the futility of lockdowns, vast unemployment, economic devastation, aggravated mental health issues, rising cancer deaths from delayed surgeries, increased incidents of suicide, depression, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism and drug abuse.

    How do we determine whether our leaders have settled on the right policy if we do not take these other things into consideration and rationally decide whether this historically unprecedented and thoroughly-unscientific approach was the right way to go??

    Sweden did nothing extraordinary. They did what countries have done for the last half century in dealing with pandemics. Should we rewrite the history books and lambast all the countries that took the identical approach when confronted with swine flu, MERS, etc?? Were these leaders less enlightened then our crop of leaders today?

    Look at the graph at the top of the article and set aside my stupid mistake of calling the governor of Massachusetts a Democrat. What does the chart tell you?

    It tells me that Sweden is near the end of its covid struggle and that life will soon return to normal.

    What is normal worth to you, or do you prefer to spend the next two years not shaking hands or hugging family members or friends, peering out suspiciously at passersby who see you–not as a neighbor– but a potential health risk?

    Sweden has laid out a path to normal, to me that is worth the higher death toll.

  77. Emslander says:

    The best conclusion from all of this badinage is that governments are entirely ineffective against a virus, no matter what they do. The virus will get everywhere and everyone eventually because that’s what they do. Shutdowns may only delay the effects and, by delaying them, make them worse.

    I hope we never do anything like this again. The sickness and death we’ve seen are marginal, statistically, but very effective for raising hysteria. Governments love hysteria.

  78. KA says:

    “Discussion

    An exploratory country level analysis using publicly available sources of data was conducted to examine factors associated with COVID-19 related health outcomes. Predictors evaluated consisted of government policies/actions for COVID-19 containment, scale of testing, country specific socioeconomic parameters, health care capacity, degree of preparedness, and population comorbidities. Consistent with reported COVID-19 outcome data from Europe, the United States, and China, higher caseloads and overall mortality were associated with comorbidities such as obesity [28], and advanced population age[29]. In contrast, a lower income dispersion within the nation reduced overall mortality and critical cases. Of all the GHS subscales evaluated, the index for risk environment had the most profound association with recovered cases per million. Countries that were the least vulnerable to biological threats (as indicated by higher scores) had the highest number of recovered cases. Indeed, for every ten-unit increase in the GHS score for risk environment, the relative rate of recovered cases increased by 55%.
    There were a series of predictors with significant associations with the outcome variables that require careful interpretation. An increased scale of national testing was not associated with the number of critical cases, or deaths per million. The government policy of full lockdowns (vs. partial or curfews only) was strongly associated with recovery rates (RR=2.47; 95%CI: 1.08–5.64). Similarly, the number of days to any border closure was associated with the number of cases per million (RR=1.04; 95%CI: 1.01–1.08). This suggests that full lockdowns and early border closures may lessen the peak of transmission, and thus prevent health system overcapacity, which would facilitate increased recovery rates.
    The final two variables significantly associated to poorer outcomes were per capita GDP and smoking prevalence. Countries with a higher per capita GDP had an increased number of reported critical cases and deaths per million population. This may reflect more widespread testing in those countries, greater transparency with reporting and better national surveillance systems. Other potential putative reasons for the association might include increase accessibility to air travel and international holidays in wealthier countries, as travel was identified as an important factor contributing to international viral spread [9]. The final unexpected finding was the lower frequency of critical cases and deaths in countries with a higher smoking prevalence. This finding requires further investigation, as the literature is inconsistent [30,31]. However, there was an interesting observation from a recently published paper describing 393 critical patients with COVID-19 admitted to two hospitals in New York City. The analysis revealed that only 5.1% of the patient sample were current smokers [32], compared to the 15.6% smoking incidence in United States reported by the CDC [33]. The finding of relatively lower smoking rates amongst critical ill COVID-19 patients is due in part due to their increased age distribution, since countries with a lower median age have higher smoking rates [33,34]. Hence, the potentially lower median age amongst countries with higher smoking prevalence in our model may be driving the observed association of low COVID-19 critical cases and deaths with high smoking prevalence. A potential protective effect of smoking was identified in a recent evaluation of 17 million adult patients within the National Health Service of the United Kingdom, with 5683 COVID related deaths [31]. In their analysis, current smokers were associated with a reduced risk of COVID-19 related mortality (adjusted HR = 0.88; 95%CI: 0.79–0.99) [31]. Notwithstanding these findings, more study is needed.
    Several other studies have examined the impact of public health measures on local transmission of COVID-19, but the evidence was primarily from modeling evaluations [35, 36, 37]. However in a recent study, Cowling et al., evaluated a range of public health interventions (e.g. social distancing, border restrictions, quarantine and isolation) undertaken in Hong Kong to reduce the spread of COVID-19 [38]. The investigators used laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 case data to estimate the daily effective reproduction number (Rt), along with telephone surveys to assess population behavior changes for containing viral spread. It was determined that viral transmission declined when social distancing and other measures were implemented. In our study, an increasing number of days to border closures was associated with a higher caseload, and more restrictive public health measures (such as a full lockdown compared to partial or curfew only measures) were associated with an increase in the number of recovered cases per million population. These findings suggest that more restrictive public health practices may indeed be associated with less transmission and better outcomes. However, in our analysis, full lockdowns and wide-spread COVID-19 testing were not associated with reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.
    There are important limitations with our data, including the fact that at or prior to May 1, 2020, many countries included in our dataset were not yet in the “plateau” or downslope phase of their individual epidemiologic curves, with border restrictions having been introduced only very recently. In the context of COVID-19, it is thought that public health interventions typically require from 2 to 3 weeks to affect outcomes, hence the impact of widespread border restrictions may not have yet been detected in our dataset [38,39]. Additionally, the relative difference in the number of cases in neighboring countries is likely to have a significant impact on whether border closures are effective. Two countries with similar epidemiologic curves and effective social distancing policies may not see a major impact from border closures, whereas two countries with very disparate epidemiologic curves may be more likely to see a significant impact from travel restrictions. In the case of full lockdowns, such a government policy may only be effective in those countries where it can be easily implemented and enforced. For example, the United States has had challenges enforcing lockdowns, with citizens in several states publicly protesting public health measures to limit viral transmission, and encouraging open revolt [40]. There was missing data for the number of physicians per million population (36% missing), the GHI score (32% missing), and the total number of tests performed (20% missing). This may introduce important unintended bias in our results. With only 50 countries, our dataset is somewhat limited, and our results may not be generalizable across other countries not included in this dataset. Furthermore, this was an exploratory study utilizing publicly available data which was not audited for accuracy or confirmed with individual public health units. Additionally, the case definitions between countries may have varied, and indeed the case definitions have been known to vary in the past. Notwithstanding these limitations, our findings propose avenues for further debate, research, and exploration, and do not support a definitive judgement on the effectiveness of various public health interventions implemented across different countries.
    The findings of this country level analysis on COVID-19 related health outcomes suggest that low levels of national preparedness, scale of testing, as well as population characteristics such as obesity, advanced age and higher per capita GDP are associated with increased national case load and mortality.“
    Lancet

    Devil is in the details .

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  79. utu says:
    @VinnyVette

    “The World Health Organization has stated, the Swedish model was the correct approach. ” – I am pretty sure they did not.

    “They have also stated “healthy people should not wear masks unless caring for the sick.”” – I doubt it. If you indeed found such a sentence you are citing it out of context.

    The reason that WHO and American CDC were initially wishy washy about masks is because Big Pharma hates masks as universal (80%) mask wearing effectively can stop epidemics of flu which undercuts vaccination programs and Big Pharma profits.

  80. Thirdtwin says:
    @RichardTaylor

    And they’re all tuning up for another lockdown.

  81. Escher says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I meant; “Why this obsessive urge to defend China in all forums on this website?” You don’t even live there AFAIK, so why shill so strongly for the reds?

    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  82. Ivan says:
    @Saggy

    You are the fool. Did only 6 people die in S Korea all round? The total number expected deaths versus the excess death over a period of six months to a year would give a meaningful measure. Only with long term morbidly statistics can anything definitive be concluded. In Singapore the so-called dormitories where the foreign workers stay have a higher infection rate than the rest of the population. But hardly a couple of them died of it. One of whom committed suicide largely it seems out of depression. The total inability of most people to understand that while one can carry the virus, one does not succumb to it lies at the root of much of the fear-mongering and lying with statistics that we are witness to.

  83. glib says:
    @Alfred

    It is even simpler than that. CS do not start in the presence of modest amounts of vitamin D (>35 ng/ml), yielding no mortality above that level. My whole family is now above.

    https://borsche.de/res/Anschreiben_Covid-19_Vitamin_D_Merkel_EN.pdf

    • Thanks: Alfred
  84. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Wow, instead of the usual Habara BS, we get some gofers–in the comments–who chastise Americans and warn of impending doom if we don’t follow all the idiotic, conflicting advice coming from the world’s Biggest Liars, the MSM.

    First we were told the danger of millions dying from Covid hysteria, the only way to prevent this is to stay at home and close the small businesses, many of whom won’t reopen, cause they couldn’t afford of being shutdown for that long.

    Now we’re being told that “OMG!” staying at home is even worse, that is spreading Covid faster than being out and about.

    Pardon my French, but that is a crock of shit. The MSM propagandists forgot the #1 rule when it comes to making lies believable, keep telling the lie loud and often.

    So if closing down the nation didn’t work, and staying at home didn’t work, what’s next? They going to use those cell phone tracing apps to round up people suspected of having Covid and take then to a FEMA quarantine facility?

    As far as someone claiming that New York didn’t imprison at home enough suckers, what about the Executive Order from the guv on March 25 that mandated that those with a bad case of the flu be quarantined at Nursing Homes? (I have a copy of that, but don’t know how to add it to this comment box)
    That’s insane. When you get around 70, ANY kind of flu can be life-threatening, so why did Coumo issue that order? Is he a complete idiot or was he trying to jack up the number of dead, to be blamed on Covid?

    We the People need to take our nation back from these murderous, lying, back-stabbing grifters and try them for treason, including the pathetic, lying MSM, who are so determined to get Trump out of the WH, they’ll help destroy the entire nation’s economic structure.

  85. @Paul Lacques

    What kind of masks? Surely there are safety regulations we must follow. Can I wear a doily on my nose and call it a day?

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  86. Redman says:
    @Juri

    And what about Belarus with NO lockdown? Even continued with pro soccer.

  87. Bravo Sweden, indeed! In the battle of genuine Swedes vs. NY Times and their cousins, the Bonniers, the latter lost and are exposed for the world to see.

  88. Why not compare non-lockdown Sweden with lockdown PR China? Why compare with NY and NJ? You must suffer from some complex that Yanks do it better? Better than the Chinks, I mean.

  89. KA says:

    Increasing Age , obesity , non -smoking ( may be confounding variable ) , corruption , access to health care , income disparity , lack of nursing ——- all associated with poor outcomes

    Social distancing but not necessarily complete lockdown and high GHI ( global Helath index ) and high preparedness and with

    good outcome .

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

    And “ in the case of lockdown , such a government policy can only be effective in those countries where it can be easily implemented “ –

  90. @Hacienda

    Agreed. I can’t argue with that.

  91. @Yukon Jack

    Jack, your reasoning is flawed. Virus particles are not bullets flying around minus their casings. A virus cannot fly at all; left to its own devices it would crash and burn. A virus travels by direct contact or embedded in moisture, water droplets, perhaps transmitted by sneezing etc. It is those that the mesh weave in the masks collect, not the independent virus particles themselves.

    • Replies: @gavishti
    , @Yukon Jack
  92. Mike, since if you are wrong, people will die, many will die.

    Would you put your life on the line?

    Would you bet your life if covid death surpasses 200,000 for 2020?

    Put your life where your mouth is, not just other’s life.

  93. Thim says:

    Everyone speculating why (((they))) are locking us down, requiring masks, and the 6 foot rule.

    For 50 years now they have been using psychological techniques designed to demoralize us, to make us unhappy, to increase in us a feeling of powerlesness.

    Whatever sphere you work in, you see it there. Mine is transportation, and they have completely destroyed the joy of the open road, for no reason, except to demoralize us.

    Two rounds of “I can’t breathe”, well prepared and then unleashed on us, the resporitory virus, then the “I can’t breathe” riots. Now Gates is openly promising us worse, and he seems to have no fear of saying so, he is confidently above the law (in reality there is no law).

    Demoralize us, sicken us, divide us, threaten us, terrorize us, rinse and repeat. By doing so they correctly believe they render the people unable to organize and resist.

    Nations do not always fall from internal rebellion. There is always the outside world. So it will be in America. It will come fast, almost in the blink of an eye, the missiles are launched, and it will be over.

    • Replies: @starthorn
    , @JasonT
  94. @Mr. Anon

    34.Mr. Anon says:

    “Japan had even better results with no mandatory lockdown.”

    Japan was infected with a haplotype of the virus that was less contagious and much less lethal than some others. To attribute the results to a lockdown (or lack thereof) is not accurate.

    .

    “Brazil has so far done no worse than any number of countries that imposed draconian lockdowns.”

    Brazil – No Lockdown
    Population 201 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 87,000

    China – Lockdown
    Population 1,400 million
    Coronavirus deaths – 4,600

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  95. Herald says:
    @utu

    Yes, viruses are small (10-300 nm) but they rarely travel by themselves. Usually they are a part of droplets that are several orders of magnitude greater that virus itself. However even small nanometer size particles can be effectively stopped by various fabrics particularly when they are in several layers.

    The paper “Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures.” was published in the CDC journal “Emerging Infectious Diseases” on 5 May 2020.

    The paper looked at ten influenza RCT trials of face masks carried out over the period 1946-2018. In a nutshell the verdict is that face masks offer no benefit in halting transmission of influenza. Now as the Sars-cov-2 virus is reportedly transmitted in the same manner as influenza, your large particle theory seemingly falls at the first hurdle. Maybe, the CDC and Fauci were right first time.

    There are studies that show that when the prevalence of mask wearing in society is over 80% flu epidemics are stopped.

    You need to cite the scientific papers that say that 80% of flu epidemics are stopped by face masks and I will have a look at them. It seems that these exciting studies have cleverly escaped the attention of the CDC and also Tony Fauci, but they couldn’t get past your eagle eye, well done.

    People like you and many others in America with libertarian ideations against the masks actually are shilling for the Big Pharma and the universal vaccination even if many of you are anti vaxxers at the same time. Stupidity of the useful idiots is not correctable by logical inconsistencies.

    Doubtful tactic to accuse me of shilling for Big Pharma, as I leave that to those that have been appointed or less likely have appointed themselves to be the gatekeepers of the ever changing Covid narrative.

    • Agree: Yukon Jack
    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
    , @utu
  96. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Joey Pastrami

    I’ve been wearing my Skeletor Halloween mask when in the stores. Been getting loads of laughs, mostly from women, who understand but many of the men give me quizzical looks.

    Don’t understand how anyone could believe the MSM. How many times do you need to get lied to before you realize that the MSM are pathological liars serving a select clientele who want to turn the entire planet into a NWO Global Plantation, where the Bill of Rights is an impediment to safety and health, so we’ll have to discard that precious doc, but this is for your safety!

    Florida officials admit counting MOTORCYCLE death as Covid-19 fatality, remove it from list after media scrutiny

    https://www.rt.com/usa/495200-coronavirus-motocycle-crash-mistake-florida/

    MIRROR NBC Doctor Joseph Fair LIED he never had the virus Coronavirus Covid-19

  97. Rosanna says: • Website

    It is not possible to make a comparison between Sweden and the United States, because Sweden has 10 million inhabitants, the United States has 330 million, Sweden has killed 564 for every million, while the United States has made 451 … so that What are you saying??

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  98. Herald says:
    @dimples

    I entirely agree with what you say. To me there is little doubt that this mask nonsense is aimed at keeping the fear going, even when the reported death rate is becoming vanishingly small.

    Masks are also a way of training the public for greater acceptance of the final solution for Covid-19 and here of course, I am referring to the several genocidal vaccine brews that the lifelong eugenicist and depopulation enthusiast Bill Gates is brewing up, across the globe.

  99. @Mike Whitney

    ” . . . the death toll is just one part of a much larger picture that includes vast unemployment, economic devastation, aggravated mental health issues, rising cancer deaths from delayed surgeries, increased incidents of suicide, depression, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism and drug abuse.”

    If I understand correctly, your position is that Lockdowns are not only futile but their aftermath is a smorgasbord of disaster that includes all the above, and more. Would you care to compare the above list as it relates to the USA? My information suggests the US suffers all of the above and more, because of no lockdown.

    If your assumptions are correct, everyone in China, South Korea . . . should by now become roaring drunk, beat their wives and children then kill themselves due to a lack of job losses and an economy growing at a healthy 6% or so.

    Continuing efforts to defend an indefensible position is not an admirable character trait.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  100. starthorn says:

    It’s pretty obvious why they’ve fared better – their white leadership didn’t kowtow to irrational fear and hysteria.

  101. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Why not challenge the very idea that less people dying is a good thing? From what I can tell the virus is doing a number on old people, fat people, unhealthy people, and colored people. If you get past the simplistic logic of death=bad you begin to realize that the virus isn’t doing anything that most people wouldn’t want to happen. The virus is a good thing.

  102. starthorn says:
    @Thim

    I kant breev – fixed that for you.

  103. We in the USA are not being given accurate #covidhoax death numbers, not when decapitations, motorcycle accidents and skydiving mishaps are all caused by the covid.

  104. There are so many great comments here that ought to be editorials themselves on the PURPOSEFULLY overblown Panic-Fest response to the Kung Flu, that I can’t reply to all. Thanks to all of you.

    My thanks especially go to the writer Mike Whitney here. I may not agree with your opinions on other matters*, but I have read 4 or 5 of your articles on this matter and couldn’t have said any of it better. You are an island of sanity in the world and on the unz site, along with C.J. Hopkins, Dr. Ron Paul, and Michelle Malkin, when it comes to the Great Stupidity of 2020.

    With site proprietor Ron Unz’s opinion on the matter clear enough, and in great disagreement with my own, I still appreciate the fact that he has let you all state your cases.

    Per your comment on this thread, I appreciate your honesty about the other Scandinavian countries. I don’t think the final results of actual deaths FROM this virus will be known until it rips through everywhere, in hopefully more-benign form. Many of the fine points brought up here and elsewhere, about deaths FROM or WITH the virus, the tallying up of cases for anyone tested positive, whether sick or not, the shutting of hospitals** increasing pain and deaths for people with other health problems, it’s going to be a long time before we get good numbers. That’s even harder due to the Lyin’ Press, which will never admit that this Infotainment bonanza of theirs has contained a load of BS.

    Last thing: Regarding the data from Sweden, Mr. E.H. Hail of the “Hail to You” blog, has a 15-part series of articles on the Panic-fest, with well more than 1/2 of them containing information from Sweden with comparisons – start on his Part XV because it has all the links to the previous parts. Speaking of comparisons, in “Michigan v Sweden in Corona Challenge”, Peak Stupidity has a general comparison of Sweden’s policy’s/behavior vs. the Michigan’s, which have the same population within a percent, but vastly different policies. Advantage: Sweden!

    .

    * Just going by the commenters that tell you have let them down here. Some are not too bright, so if they used to agree with you, that worries me … ;-}

    ** Seen it my very self, with a family member in health care. One hospital was shut down completely for a couple of months, with staff sent home.

    • Thanks: Quasi the Man
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  105. @Rosanna

    WTH is this “has killed” crap? Do you think you are going to live forever, Rosanna, if the government doesn’t kill you? (Which IS, I admit, getting more likely as Communism is coming back in favor.)

    Did America KILL all those 2.8 MILLION people who died of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and a myriad other problems last year?

    Maybe it’s just a language or typo problem. If that’s the case, NEVER MIND!

    • Replies: @Rosanna
  106. Mefobills says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Creating a national or State emergency from what will be just a bad flu season at the worst is uncalled for and totalitarian.

    The politicians, most of whom are dumber than a box of rocks, were read a riot act by supposed bureaucratic “authorities.”

    Trump even mentioned that he got the shit scared out of him about some sort of pandemic possibility at a weird meeting early in his presidency. In other words, the deep state planners behind the scenes were already imagining a pandemic and letting their imaginations run wild.

    These authorities know about gain-of-function labs. The labs are mixing and matching viral material using new recombination technologies, thus making franken-viruses.

    They over-reacted and never accounted for the human immune system. Also, virus can mutate once released, and become less lethal.

    The virologist that discovered HIV claims that if something is man-made, then nature abhors it. It looses its potency.

    The main threat is the gain-of-function labs, where accidents can happen, or psychopaths will want to release their new disease vectors.

    1) Politicians are often stupid and drawn from the lowest denominator in society 2) Humans are playing with Pandora’s box 3) Human immune system is under-rated. 4) Psychopaths are drawn to the levers of power.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  107. Astuteobservor II says:
    July 26, 2020 at 3:02 pm GMT ⇑

    Mike, since if you are wrong, people will die, many will die.
    Would you put your life on the line?

    Would you bet your life if covid death surpasses 200,000 for 2020?
    Put your life where your mouth is, not just other’s life.”

    That’s a fair question, and it actually gets down to my own behavior which I haven’t changed much at all.
    I do wear a face mask where it is strictly required, but otherwise, No.

    I also meet a number of contractors old and young, who I typically, shake hands with and work alongside without maintaining distancing requirements. (Blue collar guys don’t follow the rules at all, and I have 30 years in blue collar work. There is a big perception difference among blue collar workers that nobody talks about. They don’t think covid is bull**it, but they don’t change their behavior either)

    My wife and I still entertain, in fact, we had 4 neighbors over last night, all of them over 65 except 1 who was 59.

    So do I practice what I preach?
    You decide.

    But here’s the thing: I didn’t create covid and I don’t want anyone to die. No one!
    By the same token, I don’t think we have even begun to calculate the amount of catastrophic damage we are doing to people’s lives by continuing in this same vein.

    You may wonder why 30 million people are currently unemployed and thousands of businesses have been shuttered but things still feel relatively the same as they did before the virus outbreak?

    It’s because the unemployment checks continue to be delivered even while the personal debts pile up and the situation grows more hopeless.
    The day those checks stop coming, is the day we experience an economic reckoning unlike this country has ever seen. I’m talking about destitution and homeless camps from sea to shining sea.

    And, by then, it will be too late.

  108. Herald says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    UK population 66 million was locked down and has had nearly 46000 deaths, and compares poorly to the bitty lockdowned US. The UK is significantly worse than no lockdown Sweden. Anyone can cherrypick statistics to suit your their own personal Covid theory and tunnel vision.

    Sweden has admitted it made mistakes and like many other places it badly neglected the morbidly old, chiefly those in residential or nursing care. It would probably do better next time around and of course it has a far better chance of having already achieved a good level of herd immunity compared to other countries. The strictest lockdown countries, like China, are sitting ducks for the next release of Sars-cov-2 or near relative.

    Looking at the statistics more generally, the deaths per capita are still very small and those that have died were overwhelmingly already very ill and not very far from death. The genuinely healthy, whether young or old have little more to fear from Covid-19, than they would from seasonal influenza.

    We do not want the cure being worse than the illness. Beware also of belated and unproven measures like compulsory public masks, more lockdowns and most of all rushed experimental vaccines from outwardly kindly philanthrogenicists wearing pink sweaters.

  109. Wally says:
    @john cronk

    said:
    “The reason for the lockdowns is, as usual, corruption and money.”

    – The real reason was to hurt Trump’s chances in 2020. Simple as that.

    – Next to the “holocaust” fakery, the ‘CV19 pandemic’ may well be 2nd largest fraud the world has ever seen.

  110. @TKK

    Astute observation. Thanks.

  111. Chinaman says:
    @Paul Lacques

    As a Chinaman, I watch with bewilderment and horror at how the disastrous response to the pandemic in the West and how simple and rational hygiene etiquette like wearing a masks and social distancing are resented by whites people and interpreted as intrusions on their freedom and politicised. It is absolutely insane to have a debate on whether to wear a mask when hundreds of thousands are dying and the economy is collapsing.

    Wearing a mask is a matter of hygiene, etiquette and common sense. Every asian will follow these practices not because our authoritarian government asked us to but because it just make sense, whereas this common sense behaviour seems to be lost with white people.

    Since it seems to be a race thing, this makes me wonder whether there is an innate genetic difference and how our brains are wired differently. What is puzzling to me is why these rational policies which benefit both the individual and society are construe as a constraint on one’s freedom. Best characterise by the “liberty or death” quote.

    I come to the conclusion it is indeed a genetic disposition as it relate to time preference and delay gratification. Relative to Asians, white and black people prefer the present vs the future. They also have a lower IQ so they can’t Control their urges and delay gratification. Staying at home and practicing social distancing require the involvement of higher cognitive process to predict the consequences of one’s action, make rational choices, to curb one’s instincts and to quell one’s immediate urges. it requires sacrificing the present so one don’t have to suffer in the future. Asian have a saving rate of 30%, the number for Americans are 2%. Most race realist will be familiar with Phil Rushton’s work will Understand what I am talking about.

    The coronavirus have finally allowed me to understand white people’s conception Of freedom and liberty and why it matters that much to them. Freedom means to be able to act on one’s primal instincts, to do whatever comes to one’s mind ( if any) without any concern for future consequences and to other people, to basically to act like feral animals.

    This is probably why I never felt the need for freedom or felt unfree despite living in what white people would consider a authoritarian hell. It is simple difference in time preference. I prefer to have a future with my kin.

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @Wally
  112. Saggy says: • Website
    @Mike Whitney

    What is normal worth to you, or do you prefer to spend the next two years not shaking hands or hugging family members or friends, peering out suspiciously at passersby who see you–not as a neighbor– but a potential health risk

    You G*D* fool, there were 69000+ new cases in the US yesterday.

    And you’re worried about Sweden ??? Get real you …..)&&((EE_

    Why does Unz continue to publish this garbage?

  113. Stealth says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Let me guess; you’re one of those people who gets off on saying dumb things with a straight face

  114. @Mike Whitney

    Excellent response to the Not-So-Very-Astute Observer, Mr. Whitney, especially regarding the financial pain to come (it was coming anyway, but it’ll be a lot sooner.) I am the same way about the masks. There is a part of my job for which it’s required, but even then I cheat. (I sip water a lot, can’t do that with a mask on – it’s what I do, what can I say?) I resent being made to be a part of the stupidity.

    I hope you don’t mind a series of links here to some short posts of mine, mostly humorous, about this Season 2 of the Kung Flu Infotainment, the “re-Panic”, as Peak Stupidity dubs it. Enjoy: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, and Part 7 – more to come, I’m pretty sure …

    .

    Caution, Part 4 NWFW, unless you are working from home … and your wife is not.

  115. @Larry Romanoff

    Wait a minute: “U$A no lockdown”. Perhaps true on a strictly national level…But tell that to the lockdown governors in many of the states.

  116. Chinaman says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    So it is Kung flu now? Not Wuhan flu?

    Earliest coronavirus found in Barcelona wastewater – March 2019

    Earliest Sample found in Italy wastewater -18 Dec 19

    Earliest sample found in Brazil wastewater -27 Nov 19

    Earlier confirmed coronavirus patient in Paris -27 Dec.

    All of these evidence predates than the first outbreak in China which would basically preclude the possibility of its origin being in China..but you are American so you don’t care about the science, it HAS to be Kung Flu and it HAS to come from China and the CCP cover it up.

    I wonder why the CDC is not doing the wastewater studies to track when it begin or why they prevent tests to be done ? I am sure it is NOT because they have something to hide. Only the CCP does that.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  117. @KA

    You may have some good arguments. I simply do not know, because your writing style is obtuse, academicist and (gasp) bureaucratic. Paragraphs would be helpful.

    “Covid-19” does not need to be spelled out each and every time. You could simply (V.) in hyphens and still get the point across. Take it from an old editor: In this day and rage, attention spans are S H O R T.

  118. @Achmed E. Newman

    I support your views on the virus. As I have posted previously, 150 years ago, measles is said to have killed millions. In the 1920s it was stated to have a mortality rate of 30%. I grew up in the 1950s. I had measles as did more than half of the kids in my school. No one died, and I have never met anyone who knows of someone who died from measles. Measles was virtually eradicated before vaccinations started, and for those who did get it it was little more than a nuisance.
    I also lived through the polio epidemic. I know 4 people that had it. Two of them suffered from limb shortening, the other two (brother and sister) seem more susceptible to colds. Salk acknowledged that his vaccine probably killed more people than it saved. Yes, I know it was a “live” virus as opposed to the alleged “dead” viruses used today. In neither case was there a lock down, nor were there lock downs in the 1920s.
    People who are immuno suppressed are more susceptible to “bad” bacteria or viruses than others. It’s a fact of life. There is, however, evidence that this Corona virus is not naturally occurring. I suspect that like most influenza it will be around for a few years then be forgotten.

  119. gavishti says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    What about the concern for the projected deaths as stated by Anatoly Karlin and others. Have those numbers stated even come close fruition ?

    The point is that Sweden took the correct decision at that point of time, this required courage and maturity with a proper scientific outlook.

  120. @Paul Lacques

    All we had to do was wear masks for six weeks

    Such a shame the WHO, CDC, and media-appointed “experts” told us until early April to not wear a mask due to the shortage (why not produce more masks, are they not made in America?) and outright lies claiming masks might do more harm than good.

  121. Lockdowns have been a boon for megacorps like walmart and Amazon who are deemed “essential” while small businesses that lock lobbying power were shut down by the state and likely for good. The same people complaining about Jeff Bezos making a killing are also demanding more lockdowns and quarantine (unless you’re protesting white people of course, corona-chan takes a knee for that cult).

    • Agree: meamjojo
  122. gavishti says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    So how did an Argentine fishing boat that had been at sea for 35 days returned to land when some of its 61 crew show symptoms of the new coronavirus ?

    https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/amp/argentina/surprise-over-covid-19-cases-onboard-fishing-vessel-after-35-days-at-sea.phtml

  123. @Anonymous

    Nursing home cases make up the majority of deaths everywhere. In Sweden it is approximately 75% of the total. The number in New York are even higher than Sweden.
    The non-White towns and cities, I suspect, have much higher rates of poverty. Poverty has always been a factor in health outcomes, as immune systems are more likely to be poorer.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  124. Rosanna says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry, it was a translation problem… I just wanted to say that the United States has a mortality rate per million inhabitants, better than the Swedish… check the following website …

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  125. this “plandemic” is in the works since 2010 (Rockfeller Institute). it took 10 years of “refinements” in all over the research laboratories of the world to make it look like a neutron bomb capable of accessing the core of human cells. this is the plan B, in default of nuclear hot war, in order to preserve the “printed” fortunes of the Judeo-Talmudo-Zionists, the actual masters of the Western World.

  126. @Saggy

    It69,000 new cases… Yep! Like Florida reporting 100% positives across the entire state, a statistical impossibility, counting people who were never even tested as “positive cases”, counting “testing positive” as a “case”, even those without symptoms or any sign of illness. The Orwellian new definition of the medical term “case.” Case used to mean “someone showing signs and symptoms of disease or illness. Not merely “a positive test result.”
    Texas… If so done tests positive calling the next 15 people that person comes in contact with a “case.” And on and on…
    The test itself has a 30 – 60% false positive rate, admitted by the creator of the test himself! Peddle your bullshit somewhere else.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  127. 69,000 new cases… Yep! Like Florida reporting 100% positives across the entire state, a statistical impossibility, counting people who were never even tested as “positive cases”, counting “testing positive” as a “case”, even those without symptoms or any sign of illness. The Orwellian new definition of the medical term “case.” Case used to mean “someone showing signs and symptoms of disease or illness. Not merely “a positive test result.”
    Texas… If someone tests positive calling the next 15 people that person comes in contact with a “case.” And on and on…
    The test itself has a 30 – 60% false positive rate, admitted by the creator of the test himself! Peddle your bullshit somewhere else.

  128. @GMC

    How about Iran and Italy? In Iran it’s still pretty lethal. China stopped it as it was sure it was a bio-weapon after being targeted repeatedly with different types of viruses.
    I think there are more than a single variety to covid19, and not all are the lethal version. This will play out in the coming years as it spreads.

    • Agree: GMC
  129. @Mike Whitney

    Well as it turns out the bold approach didn’t do the Swedish economy much good anyway, economic results no better than that of its neighbors: https://theweek.com/speedreads/924238/sweden-literally-gained-nothing-from-staying-open-during-covid19-including-no-economic-gains

    There was a way to avoid BOTH excess deaths and significant long-term restrictions on life – universal mask wearing, centralized quarantine, early border closures are some of the big ones that are not very impactful on quality of life. But the interplay of ideological thinking (e.g. the conservative crusade against mask, and the liberal reticence to close borders early) and just rank incompetence ensured that most of the world outside East Asia got to experience the full trifecta of economic dislocation, social restrictions, and mortality spike.

    • Agree: utu
  130. Mark G. says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Why is it that China didn’t stop international air flights out of the country to prevent the spread of the disease? Why is it that, when Italy banned flights from China, Chinese diplomats protested and then tried to get the ban rescinded?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  131. @Mefobills

    Sure, but he still reminds me of Walter Duranty.

  132. @Chinaman

    Agreed that people in Western Europe and perhaps more so, those of European descent, but whose ancestors migrated during an era of rapid industrialization and urbanization. These influential matters were almost totally destructive of the extended family support-system which appears to be cherished and revered in East Asia.

    Beyond that basis, the demolition of the nuclear family ensued almost precisely following the detonation of the atomic bomb at Los Alamos, New Mexico in the late summer of ’45 and the resultant fallout upon Japanese civilians and then across the planet with literally hundreds of nuclear tests. Nuclear metaphysics: For every action there is an equal reaction on other levels. Perhaps that concept is a bit much for those embedded within lockstep, materialistic rationalism.

    Americans in particular are virtually bereft of kin. What does this mean? It means a fourth-tier suburb where social distancing is the norm. Normie and Norma dutifully raise their 2.38 little cavenukes in carefully cosseted comfort, where at an approved age they can roll around in the immaculately mowed lawns of properly selected grasses, with dandelions and other “weeds” ruthlessly removed via biocidal chemical warfare applications.

    As Americans are on speed-up in their work environments, there is very little time to invest in family relationships. Three to five family-together meals per week appear to be the norm for Normie, Norma and the 2.38 little cave nukes. Otherwise, “suum Queque” (to each his/her own) for food preparation (microwaved frozen entrees are most common) and time at the table. It should be clear to you from this brief excursion, that metaphysical nuclear fission has exploded the social relationships of the “white” American family.

    Should you, Chinaman, find the suburban “white” equation to be culturally abhorrent, you may find a brief description of what’s the matter with “black” lives to be almost incomprehensible. Recently, I read an article that only one out of five black children are currently born in wedlock.

    For a number of months I was living in a social situation which included a significant proportion of young, black men who constantly bragged about the “bitches and ho’s” they had impregnated and the “babymamas” with whom they were still in touch.

    Social policies developed during the regime of the regicidal president Lyndon Johnson, insisted that for mother’s to receive public assistance for their children, the father could no longer live in the house. Some 50+ years later ten year-old boys find themselves constantly out on the mean streets because mama is consorting in her bedroom with boyfriend #13 and he doesn’t want the boys in the house while he’s funning with their mama.

    Those boys from shattered homes soon enough reach their teens and just yesterday I read of cases in Chicago where even those ten year old’s, fully armed, are getting into car-jacking. Those products of babymamas and the mean streets constitute an object lesson in the government-imposed destruction of the nuclear family in major urban ghettos. So in those circumstances, we are experiencing a post-nuclear realityscape in which children (still in a majority of instances) somehow manage to achieve the technical status of adulthood. In that situation your argument of devolution into “primal instincts” is quite apt.

    Where to place the blame? America did have elements of greatness up to the end of 1913, when the most powerful of private financial barons engendered a slow-growth coup d’erat against the American people by getting a rump Congress and a blackmailed President Wilson to pass the “Federal” Reserve Act. Over more than a century now, American society has devolved steadily into the police-state which was ensured by the 911 Inside Job as the facilitator and enabling precondition for passage of the Patriot Suppression Act (repression at home) and the “War on Terror” (aggression abroad). Meanwhile, fearful for their jobs and healthcare, the mass of the American people quietly cower in meek submission.

    Most of what you perceive of Americans insisting on personal freedom emanates from primarily rural and/or working-class men who, lacking “higher education”, which because of hyper-specialization in this nation’s colleges and universities, results in a tragically uninformed level of cultural and political understanding on the part of those “educated” individuals who would otherwise have become the leadership of this ruptured republic.

    I would hope that you will gather some fresh insights as to the devolution of American society from my brief attempt to explain some key elements of our plight here in “the land of the free and home of the brave”.

  133. @Curmudgeon

    And, it seems likely to me that had they followed the suggestion to use HCQ, Azithromycin and Zinc where it was possible, they may have allowed those old folks to live a bit longer.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  134. @Saggy

    Seems you are prone to panic and a low-information sort of moron.

    During the normal ‘flu’ season there will be a hundred thousand or more people infected daily with corona viruses. We do not know the number because we do not test, and we do not shut down the country because of them. Similar numbers will be infected with rhinoviruses and large numbers also infected with influenza …

  135. @Anatoly Karlin

    Problem is… Masks don’t work per the CDC’s study on influenza, the WHO’s “healthy people should not be wearing masks unless caring for the sick.” And on and on. You learned well the art of propaganda… Read alot of Pravda Karlin?

    • Replies: @Joey Pastrami
  136. @Nurhachi

    He is a RINO’s RINO.

    The real deal is that he is a corrupt, craven progressive who should be charged with murder for ordering elderly nursing care folks to cohabitate with sick covid people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  137. Sweden lost 5,000 on a population of 10 million. That is a death rate of 0.0005%. Absolutely laughable. I am underwhelmed. How is this a pandemic?

    I don’t believe any of the numbers btw, I think they are all inflated and that normal flu numbers were absorbed into the covid numbers. That means that the death rate is probably not in the 4th decimal point. What a joke.

    This has been a lie from beginning to end. So far, since March, $6Trillion was pumped out by the Federal Reserve to prop up criminals and to buy stocks. Yes, the Fed is buying an interest in U.S. corporations. How is that even legal? Intense QE had been ongoing from September, 2019 to prevent a liquidity lock up in the Repo market.
    How is that not news? How is this not the crisis of the century?
    Oh, right. The Jews who own the media are in bed with the Wall St. Jews.
    So, is it really ConJob 19 I should fear or is it the enslavement of my children’s great-great grandchildren?
    These people need to be boiled alive in hot oil. They destroyed most Western economies based on a fraud.
    To hell with them and to hell with their presstitutes.

    • Agree: meamjojo, Bardon Kaldian
  138. Swedes voluntarily locked down. Swedes are very obedient people. And so. Lockdowns work. And voluntary ones work even better, because everyone cooperates, unlike the US.

    So what are you saying? The US has the most Covidity. “With 4% of the world’s population, the US has 25% of the world’s Covid deaths, more than 140,000 deaths so far, with public health experts predicting as many as 800,000 deaths by the end of the year.”

    Most Americans scoff at lockdowns and do not obey. Especially in the special states, where incest makes for lower IQs.

    So you’re saying that lockdowns that are unenforced are bad but non-lockdowns are voluntarily complied with are good.

    I don’t understand. You people don’t care if you deliberately slant by omission or confuse the issue or just inadvertently write stupidly.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
  139. Emslander says:
    @Mike Whitney

    That’s a fair question, and it actually gets down to my own behavior which I haven’t changed much at all.

    I’ll go one further. I don’t follow any of the protocols. I assume that I’ve been in contact with the virus and have probably had some mild illness as a result.

    I KNEW from the outset that I could handle any virus with my own methods of staying healthy MUCH better than if I followed these pussy government doctors and their money-motivated advice.

  140. meamjojo says:
    @Biff

    Let’s review your CV19 stats in say, 6 months? I’ll bet that you’ll see a resurgence. And then what will you do? Close down your economy again?

  141. Emslander says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    If your assumptions are correct, everyone in China, South Korea . . . should by now become roaring drunk, beat their wives and children then kill themselves due to a lack of job losses and an economy growing at a healthy 6% or so.

    Characterizing Whitney’s position in so distorted a way only proves that his arguments are pretty effectively destroying your belief in the lockdown hysteria.

    • Replies: @Herald
  142. gsjackson says:
    @TKK

    I was going to go in a couple of weeks to Serbia, which has been open for a while. The U.S. State Dept. isn’t saying anything different at the moment, though warning the situation could change quickly. A travel vlogger from the U.S. recently flew into Croatia without any problem. Where are you getting your information.

  143. Mr. Anon says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Japan was infected with a haplotype of the virus that was less contagious and much less lethal than some others. To attribute the results to a lockdown (or lack thereof) is not accurate.

    And how do we know that? I rather doubt there has been any detailed study of that. All we have at this point are gross numbers. For all we know, the important variable is not the strain of SARS-COV-2, but rather the people themselves – the Japanese, their genome and culture.

    And Spain, Belgium, the UK, New York State, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan – all had fairly draconian lockdowns. In Spain and UK, they were bad enough that they produced plenty of copy about officious government nincompoops bossing people around, hounding lone hikers on the Moors with drones, hosing down beaches with disinfectant, etc.

    They all – all of them – have higher death rates than Sweden.

    The lockdowns were – are – bullshit.

  144. Mr. Anon says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    It is utterly false to say that the US had “no lockdown”. Almost the entire country was under lockdown, imposed by the states. You are just lying.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  145. The Swedish approach has been a disaster. Look to Vietnam or South Korea for actual good responses. There was tragically little testing done for months. The stated aim of the government was to protect elderly homes, they catastrophically failed in that.

    That doesn’t mean that Sweden has been worst. If you look at excess deaths – a cleaner measurement than reported deaths per million – then Sweden is doing better than many Western European countries, not to mention LatAm. But if those are your competition then you win no prizes for being slightly better.

    I don’t know why so many in the West are so unwilling/unable to look to East Asia for inspiration. Is it racial pride or some other stupid reason? Pure myopia? Whatever it is, it’s silly beyond belief.

    • Troll: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @utu
  146. Wally says:
    @Chinaman

    said:
    “Wearing a mask is a matter of hygiene, etiquette and common sense.”

    Except:

    Dangers of Masks!: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/no_author/warning-about-danger-of-masks/
    exc.:
    Reduced blood-oxygen levels, Carbon-dioxide toxicity, Moisture retention in lungs, Increased facial touching, More effort to breathe.

    BTW:
    Oregon is passing health regulations that will force white people to wear facemasks and allow non-whites not to wear them:
    https://archive.vn/A7Gep

  147. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well as it turns out the bold approach didn’t do the Swedish economy much good anyway, economic results no better than that of its neighbors:

    The entire World is slipping into a depression – because of the insane response to COVID. No, Sweden is not going to be immune from the economic repercussions of the general foolishness.

    This pandemic has not been any worse than the Asian Flu of 1957/58. The US had a recession that year, that can at least partly be attributed to the pandemic. When a lot of people get sick, it slows down the economy. But we turned what would have been a recession into a depression.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  148. That really is a good chart. As we’ve seen in america, it’s impossible in most cases to tell if someone died BECAUSE OF covid. But i’ts easy to tell if they died WITH covid in their body. And according to the chart, those deaths have dropped sharply in sweden. From 120/day to just 2/day.

  149. gsjackson says:
    @Mike Whitney

    “The day those checks stop coming…..”

    That day is supposed to come after this week, at least for the federal $600 weekly contribution. Don’t know about other states, but in Arizona that amounts to almost 75 percent of unemployment insurance benefits. It is scheduled to end this week, and Congress, as of 7/26, had not decided about continuing it, reducing it or allowing it to lapse altogether.

    The Trump administration is holding out for reducing it rather sharply, so it doesn’t remain a disincentive to go back to work when you can make as much or more by not working. That’s reasonable enough. My hair cutter has been working right through, but she says the half dozen stylists who work in her shop will not return until these lavish benefits end.

    But as soon as that federal contribution is reduced to, say, $300/wk or less, that is when the economic devastation this lockdown has caused will really become apparent. Lots of those jobs aren’t available to return to. Coming soon to a deserted main street near you.

  150. AKAHorace says:
    @VinnyVette

    ” Fauci has flip flopped so many times, 2.2 million deaths, then 100,000 to 200,000, then less than that, his position on masks, the virus spreading on surfaces or not etc… He has zero credibility, “expert” or not!

    There is nothing wrong with changing your mind as the evidence changes. We have only known about this disease for around 8 months, it is no surprise that many first estimates and recommendations have been proven wrong. Surfaces and handwashing are less important than first though, masks are more useful than westerners originally believed.

    Mask wearing seems to have been successful in Taiwan and other Asian countries run by more competent elites than the U.S.A.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @VinnyVette
  151. 1. the spanish flu was neither spanish nor flu… but like approx 50% of the his story we are taught, is a let’s-pwetend story to placate the sheeples… it worked…
    .
    2. weird to see supposed skeptical types who doubt the word of the gummint if they say the sun will rise tomorrow, then turn 180 degrees to screech the latest propaganda pronouncements with nary a sidelong glance at what motivates Empire to misinform them so…
    .
    3. um, didn’t the VERY telling and strange lockstep manner in which both demrats and rethugs, and virtually the totality of big bidness, AND Big Media got behind the mexican beer panic make you just a wee bit curious ? ? ? NOT ONE naysayer in the mainstream ? (aside from a principled few like rand and ron paul) NOT ONE ? ? ? you can’t get that much agreement on mom/flag and apple pie…
    .
    4. again, as a general principle: gatex and krewe, mainstream media whores, kongresskritters, and Big Pharma are SO SO SO concerned about the health and welfare of the 99% they work so hard to rip off every day in every way ? ? ? are you fucking insane ? ? ?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  152. Sweden did the right thing.

    Eight states in the US did not lock down and they are fine as well.

    The lockdown was NOT justified and has caused more damage than Covid.

    The TOTAL deaths this year as compared to previous years is the SAME, which leads me to suspect that flu and pneumonia and TB deaths (as well as parachute and motorcycle deaths!) are falsely attributed to Covid. Any and ALL death is caused by Covid when the hospital gets $13,000 for every diagnosis.

    The whole thing is a crock of shit.

    The ONE thing they should have done was to protect the elderly and no effort was made to do that,
    and in fact it seems there was a deliberate effort to harm the old folks.

    Again, and it know it’s been said a million times, the lying media encouraged the buckwheats to riot and assured everyone that rioters were immune to the “deadly virus.”

    C’mon.

    A child could see what is going on here.

    It’s the jew flu and the goal is to demoralize the populace, spread fear and insanity, wreck the economy, and fuck Donald Trump.

  153. Alfred says:
    @Juri

    With lockdown, average East European country had appoximately 10 times less death per million.

    I am in Kiev, Ukraine. There was no real lockdown. I was able to do all my shopping at all times. To take taxis and so on. They stopped the metro for a while. Buses were reserved for “essential workers” – which included my cleaning lady. One could walk almost anywhere without a mask.

    One evening, as a provocation, I walked right in front of their heavily-guarded parliament. Eventually, three cops caught up with me. I put on my mask. As soon as I was out of sight, I took it off.

    I think that Ukraine was much closer to Sweden in its behaviour than either the UK or Russia. I am jolly glad I am not in Australia. 🙂

    Here is a photo from today’s “Kyiv Post”. A propaganda sheet. The caption says “A woman wearing a protective mask walks along Kyiv’s main Khreshchatyk Street on July 18, 2020”. She must have been one of the very few. I was in that avenue this evening and no one was wearing a mask. Furthermore, she is breathing through her uncovered nose. The whole thing is a sham!

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  154. Ada says:

    Sweden is a sparsely populated country high up in the North which stands out because of its very high corona deaths compared to its neighbours.

    Fatalities in Sweden have certainly not dropped to no more than 2 deaths per day for the last week. The deaths last week from corona as reported by the Swedish television were together around 70.

  155. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Governor Cuomo in New York ordered nursing homes to care for Covid 19 patients. The outcome being disastrous. Two months later he tried shifting the blame onto nursing homes. He is a total scumbag. Like most Democrats.

    Charlie Baker did not do this.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  156. onebornfree says: • Website

    It looks like even Mr Alex Jones is finally off of the Trump-wagon, or at least , getting close to that point:

    https://d.tube/#!/v/rongibsonchannel/slkszz4bhda

    Regards, onebornfree

  157. JasonT says:
    @Thim

    The lockdowns, masks and incessant cleaning are in place to compromise the immune systems of hundreds of millions of people. COVID-19 is a practice run and a preliminary staging to make people more susceptible to the real bioattack coming this fall.

    The only truly effective defense against biological attack is a strong immune system, which is made by good nutrition, exposure to sunshine and clean air, exercise and exposure to the run of the mill pathogens that populate the world. Putting measures in place to compromise people’s immune systems is complete insanity or diabolical evil or both.

  158. onebornfree says: • Website
    @AKAHorace

    “Mask wearing seems to have been successful in Taiwan and other Asian countries run by more competent elites than the U.S.A.”

    So fuck off and move there and take all of your mandatory lockdown and mandatory-mask-moron friends there with you, PLEASE, I beg you! Enjoy your Chinese “democracy” fantasy. And don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, mo fo!

    Zero regards, onebornfree

  159. @VinnyVette

    Are you telling me my nan’s quilted BLM-flavored face-cozy she made me is completely worthless?

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  160. @obwandiyag

    Your jackassery has reached new heights… You appear to know those low IQ inbreeds quite well… You are one.

    • Replies: @Quasi the Man
  161. @AKAHorace

    He’s an infectious disease “expert”. He’s known for a long time if masks were useful against viruses or not… Run that hamster hard.

    • LOL: Herald
  162. This panic over something that looks like being barely above a regular flu was planned years ago by the jews and their allies.
    Event 201 is one example of such planning and other “training and simulations” by WHO, media, books, …
    It was created for an economic and political takeover similar to what happened near both World Wars and the rise of China, the next host nation for them together with Russia, Oceania and other smaller countries in Latin America, Asia and Eastern Europe.

  163. @Anatoly Karlin

    Well as it turns out the bold approach didn’t do the Swedish economy much good anyway, economic results no better than that of its neighbors: https://theweek.com/speedreads/924238/sweden-literally-gained-nothing-from-staying-open-during-covid19-including-no-economic-gains

    Poor article based on an even poorer NY Times article (what’s new?). The Swedish macro figures aren’t wonderful, but surely a good deal better than the euro-area average, and far better than those of the United States. Note especially that the American unemployment rate is now higher than Sweden’s, which is very rare.

    Sweden
    GDP YoY: 0.40%
    GDP QoQ: 0.10%
    Jobless rate: 9.80%
    Gov. Budget: 0.50%
    Debt/GDP: 35.10%

    Euro Area
    GDP YoY: -3.10%
    GDP QoQ: -3.60%
    Jobless rate: 7.40%
    Gov. Budget: -0.60%
    Debt/GDP: 84.10%

    United States
    GDP YoY: 0.30%
    GDP QoQ: -5.00%
    Jobless rate: 11.10%
    Gov. Budget: -4.60%
    Debt/GDP: 106.90%

    Also left unsaid in that article is that Norway and Denmark, after very brief lockdowns, took after the Swedish model — only with better testing. The one exceptional thing about Sweden is that we kept society basically open those crucial weeks of March through April.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: Mark G.
  164. Levtraro says:
    @Mike Whitney

    Look at the graph at the top of the article and set aside my stupid mistake of calling the governor of Massachusetts a Democrat. What does the chart tell you?

    It tells me that Sweden is near the end of its covid struggle and that life will soon return to normal.

    What critics here are telling you is that Norway, Denmark and Finland, achieved the same much earlier, with lots less corpses, and similar economic impact. How do you interpret that?

  165. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Mike Whitney

    You may wonder why 30 million people are currently unemployed and thousands of businesses have been shuttered but things still feel relatively the same as they did before the virus outbreak?

    This Covid hysteria is being used to incarcerate at home, and has already killed thousands of small businesses.
    This is causing structural damage to our economy that will take years and years to repair.

    Does it make any sense to close down small businesses, but let China Mart, uh excuse me, Wal Mart stay open?

    At the same time, we’re having our “Two Minutes Hate” changed from wanting to kill Muslims to wanting to kill the Chinese, which is usually a prelude to a shooting war.
    China backing their digital currency with gold has got the FED and those TBTF Wall Street casinos spooked, hence the “Hate China” campaign.

    Ease into this tyranny Goyim, after awhile, you won’t even notice you’ve lost your nation to despots.

    Evidence of Malevolence?! Many Florida Testing Centers Report Covid In 100% Of Samples Tested?!

    • Agree: Mark G.
  166. @obwandiyag

    Swedes voluntarily locked down. Swedes are very obedient people. And so. Lockdowns work. And voluntary ones work even better, because everyone cooperates, unlike the US.

    No, we did not. We followed the guidelines of the authorities, which meant that some behaviors were out (visiting parents and grandparents, shaking hands, going to football games) while most went on like normal (throwing small parties, taking your kids to school, going for a jog in the park). Sweden has felt remarkably normal these past months for all but the elderly and those having to work from home.

  167. @Chinaman

    Nah, Chinaman, I’m no epidemiologist. I call it the Kung Flu because the big outbreak started in Wuhan, and that is known by everyone. Additionally almost all the rest of these types of new strains have come from the Orient. I have some perspective*, something missing in the modern population of most nations, it seems.

    Don’t get buttsore about my calling it the Kung Flu. That is not an insult to the Chinese, just as it wouldn’t be an insult to Americans if the Spanish Flu of 100 years ago was named the American flu.

    As far as the CCP, of course they are not the only government that lies. Other than the minute US Federal Government of 100 years or more ago, I don’t know of any government that is not full of liars at the top levels.

    If you are actually a Chinaman, you really ought to know more about the problems there than you have seemed to in your unz comments I have read. Are you living there, or did you come to the West for a better environment?

    .

    * See also “Perspective vs. Hysteria”.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @TRM
  168. This article about Sweden is one sided and the chart is not correct, downsizing the number of deaths.

    Here is another chart:

    https://coronavirus.politologue.com/coronavirus-suede.SE

    And comparing with what happened in other countries and especially with Switzerland (rather short partial lockdown):

    https://coronavirus.politologue.com/100k-habitants/

    It appears that Sweden ranks at the 5th place among the countries with several millions inhabitants and with the highest death rate, while Sweden has more than twice the number of deaths/100k than Switzerland. And Germany has 5 times less deaths/100k than Sweden.

    Conclusion: this article hides the truth.

    • Replies: @JasonT
  169. Bert says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Examine James Todaro’s twitter posts to see how manipulative the media coverage of hydroxychloroquine has been. If the media is willing to kill random, unlucky people by hiding a treatment in order to hurt Trump, then what wouldn’t they do to white folks who don’t buy their multicultural narrative.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  170. JasonT says:
    @Olivier1973

    And why should people believe the graph you link rather than the one Whitney linked? The war of graphs is idiocy.

    I look around where I live (you know with actual eyes) and I saw:

    zero Covid deaths
    less than 10 Covid positive cases (even given the large number of false positives)
    an empty hospital

    That is what I see.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  171. Sparkon says:

    Here is slam dunk proof that masks work.

    Two hairstylists working at a Great Clips in Springfield, Missouri were infected with COVID-19, but continued working for several days after they became ill, during which time the two stylists served 139 customers at their salon, where masks are mandatory for both staff and customers.

    Not a single customer out of those 139 has come down with COVID-19.

    Please see my previous comment:

    https://www.unz.com/mmalkin/mask-mandates-are-a-public-health-menace/#comment-4050520

    • Troll: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Herald
  172. @Alfred

    In Ukraine the epidemy is still in its ascending phase. Comparison with several other countries where this phase is over is ludicrous.

  173. Most critiques are BS.

    1. more people died in Sweden than in neighboring countries, and? This is a small number, any way you put it.

    2. Swedish economy definitely fared better than any similar in these conditions. Only fools can deny that.

    3. perhaps 40% of those who died were Somalis & other “migrants”, so, it’s another plus.

    4. Swedes, real Swedes- not an imported garbage- have some national characteristics that I like, and others that I don’t like too much. I dislike feminism, while I like a certain amount of Nordic stoicism.

    Be as it may, it’s their country.

  174. @Larry Romanoff

    I didn’t say they could fly, I said because the are so small gravity doesn’t wash them out of the air like larger particles. The coronavirus narrative that the little buggers only survive on a water droplet is just more mainstream bs. A virus can survive a ride on an asteroid to earth. A virus is just a bit of RNA, so basically it is nearly indestructible. Something that is a hundred times smaller than a smoke particle just floats around for hours until some sucker breaths it in. And the mask does nothing to stop it.

    If you remember the WHO and Fauci said they can be absorbed through your eyeballs. So how does that mask stop that? It is all bs. The workers at bioweapon labs wear pressurized space suits, and even that doesn’t work some times. The mask is a big joke on us by the controllers.

    The mask is a sign of control, so those interested in controlling us come up with every argument why we must wear them, even as the deaths taper off. They use every argument to fool us like the aforementioned water droplet argument. The masks are not stopping a coronavirus at all, end of story, period. People wear them as placebos. They feel safe and insist others wear them and the whole thing as turned into a social shitshow of fear mongering sheeple germophobes.

    The culture is batshit insane, reason is out the window just like with Global Warming, a previous hoax that also worked and convinced everyone that invisible CO2 molecules were a threat. Remember those computer models that all proved wrong about runaway global warming? Same for the coronavirus models by hacks who were elevated to gods to pull this off.

    They even got the EPA to classify CO2 as a pollutant when it is a life gas! CO2 does not change the temperature of the planet for god sakes, it is a trace gas. The sun controls the thermodynamics of the planet not some minor increase of a trace gas. Yet billions fell for the hoax because of the power of the media, especially the television, which has been weaponized by the Zionist world state.

    Most people are insane, most states of consciousness are forms of insanity. Very few people have ever had an original thought. Many scientists were bamboozled by the climate hoax. They did not understand how media brainwashing along with social engineering via media blitz clouds their judgment of reality. The media is very powerful and the Jews who run it are very corrupt. The result has been devastating.

    Jewish control of the media needs to end, and those pulling this hoax need to classified as terrorists because that is exactly what they are. Everyone that works at the Mossad operation called CNN needs a free ride to GITMO.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Thanks: Ivan
    • Replies: @Biff
  175. Chinaman says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry, the first BIG outbreak started in America. The 2nd wave is also happening in America as we speak. The whole world knows America is number 1 in death and cases so we could call it the Trump Flu, Fort Detrick blowback flu, MAGA flu or “I can’t breathe” flu. I like the last one. Catchy as Kung Flu. The whole world knows the epicentre is not in Wuhan or have anything to do with Kung Flu.

    For perspective, We don’t have to go back 1000 years. The last pandemic was in 2009. It was called the swine flu and killed 300k people. My friend died from it.

    It started in America. should we call it the White Pig Flu?

    It didn’t get the media attention today since it was in midst of GFC in which also begun in America. Interestingly, Americans also managed to find an angle to blame the Chinese then … for saving too much money and driving long term interests rate down. It is ironic since that 50% of Americans have Less than $400 saving and need to survive on handouts. Childlike time preference issues. I hope you are not one of them.

    AIDS epidemic started in America.

    You seem to have lapse in your memory or selection bias in your perception or perspective which makes you think everything wrong started in Asia. I am in Hong Kong and don’t worry, I don’t think I will ever step on America soil again since I don’t want the “ I can’t breathe” flu.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Wally
  176. gsjackson says:
    @Sparkon

    Being “infected with covid 19” does not equal “ill.” There is no evidence that asymptomatic carriers of the virus (assuming the test actually reflects that) are infectious, and at least one study in China indicates they are not. So your example is just another confirmation of this.

    The only health consequence of asymptomatic people wearing masks is the long-term damage it does to their own health.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  177. refl says:
    @Alfred

    It’s like we were still at the end of march, when commenters were trashed here for pointing out that corona was obviously a nothingburger – and it is, as can be easily seen from the fact that the difference between no-lockdown Sweden and the lockdown countries is marginal.
    And still such comments get bronzed, as if the issue ever had been “wearing masks for six weeks” and not the assault on us the plebs who dared to walk away from our masters and call them out for the perverts that they are.

    In that other reality that I read about on my electronic device here, I get the mails from colleagues who grow ever more desperate after being out of work for more then four months now. I learn that friends are dying, whom I saw the last time the day before the lockdown. Someone posted an article here, where the timeline of the lockdowns in various countries was put into the context with weekly mortality rates – with the logical conclusion that within days of the lockdowns people started to die.
    I am definitely not an exceptionally intelligent person. It is frightening that I have been seeing this all along, and now I see it happening.

    This is disaster by timetable and it does not feel nice to be able to look ahead.

    • Agree: JasonT, Redman
  178. vinteuil says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Considering how hostile this site is to Israeli “Hasbara,” it’s remarkable how friendly it is to the Chinese equivalent.

  179. @Mark G.

    Jan. 21– WHO confirms human-to-human transmission of the virus.

    Jan. 23– Complete cordon sanitaire (not quarantine) around Wuhan.

    Jan. 23 – China locks down 3 cities, including Wuhan and suspends flights. New York Times: “Scott Liu, 56, a Wuhan native and a textile importer who lives in New York, caught the last commercial flight, on January 22.”

    Jan. 24-Feb. 14–Following private briefings on the COVID-19 pandemic, five US senators sold major stock holdings, allowing them to avoid significant losses before the markets plummeted.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  180. gay troll says:

    As much as I feel Americans are being totally deceived about coronavirus, as much as I hate the media and the government for their inconsistent messaging and obvious ulterior motives, I still think the virus is real and dangerous to some people. This should have been clear to anyone in the U.S. government and media since January when the epidemic overtook Wuhan. At that time sources were reporting that the R0 of the virus was around 4, meaning it was super infectious and could easily overrun the globe. Yet the American response was studious nonchalance. Existence of the virus did not register in the American public consciousness until late February. TPTB continued to insist that everything was fine, until in a sudden blitz of caution, they shut down the economy and told everyone to stay home. They did not make any effort to prepare America for lockdown, they smacked us in the face with it after a dizzying few days of narrative escalation. Now America has the worst COVID numbers on Earth. Despite the actual R0 being around 1.

    I think Unz is right that SARS CoV 2 is a biowarfare attack against China. I think the piece this puzzle is missing is the possibility that the virus began spreading in the U.S. last summer. This is why the U.S. is hardest hit, because it is the global epicenter, and this is why the U.S. media and government could not be seen to mount a competent, consistent response: because the virus was already widespread, and they needed an excuse. The CDC carefully managed statistics during the beginning of the outbreak in the U.S.; qualifying for a test in March basically required meeting the standards of a Catch 22. Then, despite the fact that the first outbreak was in a WA nursing home, and the first community spread was in California, the east coast became the national COVID epicenter.

    It is admitted by the CDC that a classified infectious agent or toxin breached containment at the BSL labs in Ft. Detrick some time before July of last year, when the CDC shut down the labs. 33 days after announcing the shutdown, the CDC announced a novel epidemic of lung disease causing severe flu like symptoms, possibly requiring ventilation, that was fatal in 2-3% of cases. This pneumonia epidemic (called EVALI) was blamed on vaping with 0 evidence ever provided. Then when COVID hit China, vaping pneumonia practically disappeared overnight. There was never a way to test for it, and it had symptoms identical to COVID. Cases peaked last September. It is now no longer a thing.

    We are not just in the midst of a pandemic, we are in the midst of a Cold War.

  181. @Peripatetic Commenter

    And, for some reason, you still remind me of an anonymous troll.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  182. vinteuil says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Oh, and…what a surprise to find the hilarious “Godfree Roberts” agreeing, here.

    How amazing that the CCP wants to see the US locked down for the foreseeable future.

  183. @Escher

    It started quite innocently in 2005 when I noticed that China was overtaking us in one discipline after another: the economy, education, public health, chemistry, math…

    So I raised the alarm. I told people, hey! pay attention! Instead of dumping on the Chinese and denying their achievements, let’s take up the challenge and compete with them instead of pissing our money away in losing wars.

    The more I did that the more people called me a Commie.

    Now it’s too late. We’ve lost. It’s over. And people still call me a Commie for telling them.

  184. This fucking thread is unreadable. Maybe that’s by design. In any case, the “MORE” tag seems like a vestige. Perhaps it should automatically insert for comments over 200 words? And perhaps there should be warnings for comments that exceed the word count of the original article.

  185. @Mefobills

    They over-reacted and never accounted for the human immune system. Also, virus can mutate once released, and become less lethal.

    To expand on your point, I believe that, if the WuFlu was ever that lethal, Mother Nature essentially went, “Whoa, whoa, whoa! I’m the ONLY one who gets to create and unleash civilization ending plagues,” and quickly evolved WuFlu into a much less lethal pathogen.

    Speaking of Nature, I’ve been passing my sunny summer trail running on +30 miles of trails at a local natural area. It’s been glorious. Many days I never encounter another human, just some deer and rabbits.

  186. Mark G. says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    China suspended flights from Hubei to the rest of China but not the rest of the world:

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/04/09/Coronavirus-Critics-ask-why-China-allowed-flights-out-of-Hubei-during-outbreak

    Why is it that China didn’t suspend flights to other countries? Why did Chinese diplomats protest when Italy banned flights into their country from China and ask that the ban be rescinded?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  187. There is a big problem with the discussions here about the statistics being discussed.

    The statistics are all wrong. Governments have been manipulating the infected and death tolls, in the USA they are paying hospitals to put COVID-19 on the death certificates.

    That means the real covid deaths (if any) are incorrect.

    The number of infected are all wrong, the tests are bogus, flawed, mean nothing.

    No rational discuss using statistics to argue a point is valid at the current time, not until corrected numbers are presented and verified, which will probably never happen because of those institutions involved.

    For instance, if you are a physician who forged a faulty death certificate just so your hospital administrators could collect $3,000 USD, has still committed a felony (not a misdemeanor due to amount in this fraud). Filling out multiple death certificates intentionally wrong could cause you to spend the rest of your life in prison, so because of that the truth will never out.

    That means, because of the politicization and promotion of this hoax, statistics are totally worthless and using them to support your argument is invalid.

  188. DaveE says:

    One thing I haven’t heard anyone mention – power. Psy-ops work both ways, against the victims and FOR the perp-traitors, as a chest-thumping display of omnipotence, feeding their endless lust. If the perp-traitors (and I think it’s clear who they are) can take away our GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO BREATH, what can’t they take away?

    Not to mention the humiliation aspect, making us ACT like a herd (of sheep or cattle), controlled by the blinding brilliance of the border collie.

    The Chosen and their 2,700 year old agenda of power and control are not exactly hard to spot, these days. These are people for whom power and control are everything they’ve lusted for their entire history. And they obviously have a thing for symbolic power and control, as in their alleged “minds” it leads to the real thing.

  189. AKAHorace says:
    @dimples

    The masks in most common use are the pleated variety that hang off your ears. Having worn one for a few hours it’s obvious that they are useless since they do not seal on the face. Breath is sucked in and blown out the sides, top and bottom.

    Are you sure that you are wearing them properly ? If you bend the wire in them across your nose most of your breath goes through the mask.

    • Replies: @refl
  190. AKAHorace says:
    @onebornfree

    Mask wearing seems to have been successful in Taiwan and other Asian countries run by more competent elites than the U.S.A.”

    So fuck off and move there and take all of your mandatory lockdown and mandatory-mask-moron friends there with you, PLEASE,

    These Asian countries have done well as they were not too xenophobic to copy our ideas and civilization when it worked for them. We should be smart enough to copy some of their ideas when they will work for us.

    • Agree: utu
    • Disagree: Herald
  191. @Mr. Anon

    When a lot of people get sick, it slows down the economy. But we turned what would have been a recession into a depression.

    Bullshit. You’re telling us that you would have noticed a few geezers dropping in the nursing homes without the government media shining a 24/7 spotlight on it? And sorry, but losing half the octogenarians and nonagenarians who were infected would have been an economic stimulus, it certainly would not cause a recession.

    This is nothing more than a toddler’s tantrum performed by the government media before a live captive audience of women and sheep. Not only have they destroyed the livelihood of millions who somehow managed to survive the mass immigration and offshoring of industry, but they’ve killed untold thousands who had their healthcare interrupted and suffered depression and psychosis resulting from the media’s terrorism and government’s false imprisonment. In other words, this is exactly like the “Russia Collusion!” and other hoaxes have been except that there is a monstrous toll in lives destroyed or lost.

    • Agree: Ivan
    • Replies: @Herald
  192. Tor597 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Japan has wide spread mask usage though.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Thomasina
  193. @art guerrilla

    1. the spanish flu was neither spanish nor flu… but like approx 50% of the his story we are taught, is a let’s-pwetend story to placate the sheeples… it worked…

    Well, I agree with you that it really was not Spanish. Unfortunately, it is a little late to call it the Kansas Flu.

    However, there seems to be plenty of evidence that it was an HxNy influenza virus.

    Do you have evidence to the contrary?

  194. @Bert

    Oh, I agree the Democrats and much of the #LyingMSM has blood on their hands.

    The question is: Will we hold them accountable? We have the opportunity in less than 100 days.

  195. @Godfree Roberts

    No problem.

    I would rather be mistaken for an anonymous troll than Walter Duranty.

    Also, if you are such a China expert, decode this: D3 n3 l3 m3!

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  196. Sparkon says:
    @gsjackson

    Clearly, you either did not read or did not understand the material I provided. Both stylists at the Springfield MO salon did, in fact, have symptoms.

    The two hair stylists in Springfield, Mo., broke the cardinal rule of infection control: Despite having respiratory symptoms, one went to work and saw clients for eight days, when she learned she had tested positive for Covid-19. Her colleague also developed symptoms, three days after her co-worker, and also kept working until she tested positive, two days after the first stylist. Together, they saw 139 clients, with appointments for haircuts, shaves, and perms lasting 15 to 45 minutes.

    Yet when the local health department identified and contacted the 139 clients, asking them to self-quarantine for 14 days and checking in daily about whether they had developed Covid-19 symptoms, not a single one (of the 104 who agreed to be interviewed) did. Of the 67 who consented to a swab test, every one tested negative. There was one other notable fact about the case: Both stylists and every client had worn a face covering.

    The stark case, described on Tuesday in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, adds to the near-universal scientific consensus that, more than any of [other] single action short of everyone entering solitary confinement, face coverings can prevent the transmission of the coronavirus that causes Covid-19.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/14/if-everyone-wore-mask-covid19-could-be-controlled-cdc-director-urges/

    [my bold & correction]

    Now you’ve added your name to the long list of babblers at UR who run their keyboards without first doing simple fact checking.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  197. Biff says:
    @onebornfree

    So fuck off and move there and take all of your mandatory lockdown and mandatory-mask-moron friends there with you, PLEASE, I beg you! Enjoy your Chinese “democracy” fantasy. And don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, mo fo!

    Jealous of better government. I knew that was your underlying condition while pretending to hate government.

    Ha!

  198. @Chinaman

    Chinaman, I’m not sure why you think you can get away with lying to people that have been around and there at the time. During that Swine flu, which came of of the Orient, I noted the use of face masks in China to some degree, but the Japs went full bore. Somewhat ironically, given what’s going on now, I was familiar with a company in China that produced face masks, and no, quality was not job one. (See also “Coronavirus in China .. and beyond “ for the story.) That company had their best year ever in ’09.

    I never saw an American wearing a face mask for virus protection (supposedly) in 2009, and, as you say, that one was a big one. What I saw were lots of Japanese tourists and some businessmen (mostly women, it seemed) wearing them at the big hub airport. It looked just as stupid as it does now. I’m getting stupidity flashbacks right now, as I think about it.

    AIDS came from Africa, so that’s another blatant lie. Since you brought it up, I would like to add to one of the good commenters who mentioned the pushing of a fake narrative on us, that AIDS was another example of this. We heard from the early-1980s till people had all learned the common-sense truth that “AIDS can get anyone. Being a homo has nothing, no nothing to do with it.” Yet anyone I ever heard about who got AIDS was gay, with maybe a tragic blood transfusion case too.

    You’re getting as bad at lying as Godfree Roberts. You come a long way, grasshoppa!

    .

    PS: Oh, keep your Hong Kong. It’s so crowded it makes mainland China look calm, and once the CCP gets to be the rule-of-law there, you will not be pleased.

    PPS: I have plenty of money saved, though you are quite right about Americans in that respect. Thank you for your concern.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  199. @Mr. Anon

    It’s interesting to see all the government shills out still propagandizing frenetically – it tells us that we really are over the target. There are vastly more shills defending the mask emasculation, economic devastation, and unlawful imprisonments than I’ve ever seen defending Israel.

    They’re REALLY desperate for us to believe their bullshit this time.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  200. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Sure, but he still reminds me of Walter Duranty.

    Oh come on! Walter Duranty was truthful about a lot of stuff… baseball standings… that kind of thing.

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Commenter
  201. Biff says:
    @Yukon Jack

    If you remember the WHO and Fauci said they can be absorbed through your eyeballs. So how does that mask stop that?

    The mask deployment is meant to keep the germs “in”. If you can’t understand that simple concept you’re already lost in the dark – and this where the different levels of public education among different societies is revealed.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  202. @Mark G.

    Because China knew that they all had Coronavirus long before China had it.

    Francis Collins, director of the US National Institutes of Health, said the virus might have been spreading quietly in humans for years, or even decades, without causing a detectable outbreak. (SCMP)

    University of Calgary research shows SARS-CoV-2 may have been evolving slowly since 2013.

    Dr Tom Jefferson, tutor at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, says there is growing evidence the virus was elsewhere before it emerged in Asia. 

    Last week, Spanish virologists announced they had found traces of COVID-19 in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the disease was seen in China.

    Italian scientists have also found evidence of the virus in sewage samples in Milan and Turin, from mid-December, many weeks before the first case was detected, while experts have found traces in Brazil from November.

    University of Calgary research shows SARS-CoV-2 may have been evolving slowly since 2013
    Scientists at the University of Calgary in Canada say that the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) may have been circulating amongst humans since at least 2013, though not the same variant that is responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Chinaman
  203. @gay troll

    I think Unz is right that SARS CoV 2 is a biowarfare attack against China. I think the piece this puzzle is missing is the possibility that the virus began spreading in the U.S. last summer.

    Well, there are several interesting aspects to this.

    Firstly, the Chinese seems to be the ones who published most of the papers in relation to gain of function viruses, but that doesn’t mean they were the only ones working on that technique.

    Secondly, the virus that was unleashed (either naturally or with human help) seems to be less lethal than it could be, because it mostly attacks old people who don’t take the correct prophylaxis.

    This is why the U.S. is hardest hit, because it is the global epicenter, and this is why the U.S. media and government could not be seen to mount a competent, consistent response:

    You seem to be ignoring the efforts of GrannyKiller Cuomo and Gabbin Nuisance to kill old people and the efforts of various people in government to prevent the use of effective prophylaxis.

    because the virus was already widespread, and they needed an excuse. The CDC carefully managed statistics during the beginning of the outbreak in the U.S.; qualifying for a test in March basically required meeting the standards of a Catch 22. Then, despite the fact that the first outbreak was in a WA nursing home, and the first community spread was in California, the east coast became the national COVID epicenter.

    Tin-foil-hat alert. You ascribe too much ability to government stooges. Yes, GrannyKiller Cuomo could enact executive orders forcing infected patients back to nursing homes but the average government employee is not that capable.

  204. Kudlow just said the federal govt will extend the eviction moratorium.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/509082-kudlow-says-federal-government-will-extend-moratorium-on-evictions

    This infuriates me as i continue to pay my rent. Most of these people who say they can’t pay rent are lying. They can pay but they smell a bailout. They figure that eventually all this back due rent will be cancelled !!!

    Will honest people like me then get a refund for paying their rent all these months.?

  205. @Biff

    Yes that is the official narrative. But the masks do not keep viruses from going in or out. There are trillions of virus particles being exhaled by a sick carrier, millions are going to get through. Even with pressured suits, workers at bioweapon labs, where they make these damn things, get infected.

    Most people wearing masks are not doing it to keep germs in, they are in morbid fear of getting sick from other peoples germs.

    Masks do not stop the spread of coronaviruses like influenza. Study after study shows the masks do nothing, so wearing the masks is a waste of time for all participants, regardless of their viewpoint. The masks are about subjugation and control, they are NOT about stopping a virus.

    https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/the-mask-science-is-clear-if-you-are-doubting-the-science-behind-wearing-a-mask-watch-this-video_KM5NlACTCYEUVud.html

    Youtube title: “Experts Say” Masks Prevent The Spread Of Viruses

    22 second video

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
    • Replies: @The Real World
  206. TRM says:

    This is a pro-mask study (I like to read both sides). This part sort of jumped out at me.

    It uses mortality numbers which have tons of problems but …. If the numbers are comparable between countries (big if) it would explain why some countries with mandatory masks are doing very poorly like Mexico where they have a higher compliance with mask wearing than Japan yet way more cases & deaths.

    Masks Early vs Late (page 18):

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Association_of_country-wide_coronavirus_mortality_with_demographics_testing_lockdowns_and_public_wearing_of_masks_Update_June_15_2020

    Do check out “Figure 1” on page 18.

    Masks by day 15 make a huge difference. Masks by day 16-30 have some effect. No masks or masks after day 60 (where we are) forget about it.

    This assumes the mortality numbers are arrived at and accounted for consistently from country to country which we know is not the case. Even if (big if) you accept that they are comparable, that ship has sailed for us as we passed the 60 day point a quite a while ago.

  207. TRM says:

    Using the data downloaded on 2020-07-20 from the CDC I ran it for each month. As usual since I started doing this North Carolina, West Virginia & Connecticut are missing some but only week 26 this time.

    April was the peak and it has been down since. Any bets about July? I’ll take “down again for $500 Alex”.

    Some states of interest and entire USA for January to June:

    CDC Area: Jan Feb Mar Apr May June
    NY State: -0.7; +1.7; +8.5; 95.1; 29.9; 28.9
    NY City: -2.1; -0.8; 50.7; 442.7; 60.1; 58.5
    Texas: +0.4; +3.1; +5.7; 12.7; 13.1; 10.1
    Georgia: +1.0; +5.3; +5.2; 22.5; 17.1; 7.5
    Florida: +2.7; +2.9; +6.0; 12.0; 11.4; 10.5
    California: -1.1 +2.1; +3.5; 16.1; 13.7; 11.9
    USA: -0.2; +1.4; +5.2; 36.2; 18.4; 11.6

    All data from this page:
    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

    Script, data, spreadsheet & methods are available at:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fh9x5fngmfbeiiu/AAAH-OtOMqiY_R9qqG6YccCRa?dl=0

  208. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Why does the author waste our time/attention with totals of COVID deaths (by country)? Only deaths per million population allow any comparison of countries, and those statistics are available.
    His digressions into countries’ population figures are just more waste of time.
    Do the math (or, it’s been done, so tell it)!

  209. @Snert

    The answer to your question is found in Dr. Suess’s Yertle the Turtle. Things look different from the top.

  210. Even if you believe the numbers, which I don’t.

  211. Just for information, these are the latest COVID-19 stats for the top 60 countries. Scroll down the page. (Shanghai Daily)

    https://www.shine.cn/news/world/2003124144/

    The data are updated daily.

    https://www.shine.cn/

    Many countries are still dramatically increasing both infections and deaths. It seems this won’t end for quite some time. Even those nations at the tail end seem unable to put a final stop to it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  212. gsjackson says:
    @Sparkon

    I didn’t read it because you billed it as a previous comment rather than the story you were referencing.

    Given all the problems in the testing regime — countless anecdotes about people who didn’t even get tested still labeled positive, false positives, etc., all driven by the federal largesse of $13K per “case” — I don’t think it’s self-evident that the preventive power of masks is what’s being demonstrated here. And I assume that you disagree with the people who say viruses can penetrate any mask and can enter through the eyes?

    And are you conceding that there’s no reason for asymptomatic people to wear masks? That’s the key question. In the current climate almost no one’s going out in public with respiratory symptoms. But those of us who are perfectly healthy are encouraged — no, mandated — to think of ourselves as a lethal weapon.

  213. @gay troll

    Interesting comments….

    I realized some years ago that whenever some instant, national “hair on fire” event occurs, that it’s usually not being honestly depicted and is frequently entirely manufactured.

    The ‘immediate problem’ of a group of ME terrorists dubbed: ISIS was one of those times I said to myself, ‘WTF is this all of a sudden?” The week prior you had never heard mention of them, while the next week the MSM was soaking us with hysteria about them. Right….

    The vaping issue was another one positioned as an instant epic disaster. I didn’t know what that was about but did note that it dropped off media coverage about as fast as it ramped up.

    I also think this virus has been around the USA plenty longer than is being acknowledged. Several people I’ve communicated with stated they had some intense flu-like illness in early Dec or at holiday time. One guy said his whole family had a wicked something late last Summer and I had a virus like none I’ve had before the first week of Feb this year.

    So, are you saying you think the virus made it’s way from the USA to China or that we intentionally seeded China with it?

  214. TRM says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    1918 could be called “Fort Riley Flu” or “British Factory Farm In France Flu”. It could have started at either or the soldiers from Fort Riley who were massively weakened from the vaccine they were given combined with the BFFIF virus.

    I think naming after where it first breaks out is fine so I suggest “World Military Games 2019 Flu”.

    Of if you prefer a funny one the “Wuhan-Express Fauci-Funded-Unwanted-Canadian-Detrick” flu. Or ……

    “WE FFUCKD” flu 🙂

  215. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tor597

    Japan has wide spread mask usage though.

    And America could too. It’s a free country. Ostensibly.

    Anyway, Japan has a lot of things. Small families, no handshaking, a mania for cleanliness, little obesity.

  216. Mr. Anon says:
    @Stan d Mute

    The establishment has a lot riding on it at this point. What governor, mayor, prime minister, or government health official is going to come out and say: “Sorry guys. We blew up the economy and threw millions of people out of work for nothing. My bad. You f**ked up – you trusted us.”

  217. @VinnyVette

    Yep. The MSM are loud and clear about the ‘disaster’ brewing in Florida, which ‘has now passed NY as the epicenter of the pandemic!’

    Never mind that they’re talking cases (at best an artifact of testing) rather than fatalities, where Florida will never even get near NY’s sterling stats.

    Never mind that Florida has a much higher population than NY, so even if its legitimate raw numbers were higher, it would mean next to nothing.

    But NY has MSM-sanctified leaders like Cuomo and DeBlasio, while Florida has an Evil Republican Governor, and (worse yet) is a Swing State. So it must be Swung.

    If only the Democrat candidate had won the election, right? Oh wait.

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/in-florida-governors-race-black/

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/man-busted-with-andrew-gillum-in-hotel-room-with-meth-was-gay-escort/

  218. @Yukon Jack

    You know what other obvious social experiment/engineering and data collection is occurring?

    Walmart seems to be cattle prodding people more that any other retailer I’ve seen. Like this:
    — Cordoned and separate In and Out areas into just ONE entrance/exit (the other two are closed. ??) An employee is almost always standing there keeping a watchful eye on the herd.
    — Inside, instead of a greeter, it’s a person tapping on a tablet as each person enters and exits. They pay such close attention, I don’t think it’s just tabulating attendance. Maybe the person is sorting customers into demographic categories.

    Yet, they seem to have slacked-off on wiping down carts and self checkout stations. So much for germs. They’re so last month. This is all quite bizarre….

  219. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone accepting a kill figure for Gates-Fauxci 19, 20, 21, … till-the-cows-come-home,
    is naive or dumb or deceiving.

    Bullets to the brain, lung cancer, skydiving without a parachute,
    can count as virus deaths. Anything can be the virus.

    Seems most anything can kill except this magical, mysterious, all-purpose,
    very useful, political, economic, vaccine, human-control, weaponized figment.

    In related news

    Phony Tony Fauxci enjoying life with his virus buddies:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/anthony-fauci-face-mask-down-photo-coronavirus/507-e33379cb-d79e-479b-9960-13293c96572f

    Phony Tony and Vaccine Bill and Yidtifa rioters indicate by example masks are for chumps and so are distancing and using gallons of sanitizer and believing the JSM.

  220. @Swedish Family

    Sweden didn’t get lucky; it got arrogant, ignorant and stupid. SARS-Cov-2 is NOT the flu. It’s far, far worse. Sweden threw away the lives of 4,500 of its 10 million citizens, and they’re still dying.
    Thailand, with 73 million citizens lost 58, with no local cases for more than 2 mths – using Chinese protocols. Vietnam, with 93 million people has lost no-one!
    Now tell me again about Sweden’s success…

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  221. utu says:
    @Thulean Friend

    “I don’t know why so many in the West are so unwilling/unable to look to East Asia for inspiration.” – Big Pharma. They do not want us to know that you can suppress the epidemic and eradicate the virus without vaccination. This is the reason CDC and WHO are ambivalent on the effectiveness of mask wearing in epidemic suppression.

  222. Jonny C says:
    @Paul Lacques

    This comment got the gold bar? I guess you get the gold bar if you are in agreement with Ron Unz and his cheerleading of draconian measures to respond to the Covid crisis. Everyone makes mistakes in the preliminary; everyone acts on insufficient information. But every once in a while, you get it wrong.

    You are right to point out that New York City could have been viewed as an anomaly due to it’s high population density. I would add that it is the international hub of much of the east coast which might also deserve mention. But the same cannot be said for NJ or MA taken as wholes. So why ignore them if you are going to address the author’s inclusion of NYC?

    All we had to do was wear masks for six weeks. The pandemic would have been negligible, and we would have had the time and a low pressure national environment to rationally reopen our economy.

    If you look at the measures being taken now to extend lock downs amid rabidly decreasing death rates (please see https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex), you can only come to the conclusion that this is a political move far removed from concern for health. We have worn masks for months, and we still have to. Sooner or later we have to get back to our lives. But “there will be no return to normal” according to the WHO.

    The lockdown enthusiasts are sounding more and more like the warmongers of the post 911 months. You want to quote Johns Hopkins numbers? I would rather have an explanation of the scenario they ran contemporarily to the outbreak in China along with the [email protected] Gates Foundation. Sorry man, it’s a bit too coincidental to be an accident. If you want to be on lockdown every time there a new sickness making the rounds, go live in an authoritarian state.

    I prefer Swedens response.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  223. utu says:
    @Swedish Family

    “Swedes voluntarily locked down”… “No, we did not.”

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/sweden-is-the-model/#comment-3879464
    “Saying Sweden really did follow our policies because Swedes are natural social distancers.” – This is true. Sweden is practicing social distancing. Look at movie theaters attendance in Sweden which we are told does not practice social distancing vs. Norway and Denmark who shut down all movie theaters. (graph from Steve Sailer)

    In Sweden 20%-25% of population lives in single-person households comparing to 5% in Italy and 3% in Spain. 40% of seniors live in one person senior household.
    https://www.oecd.org/els/family/HM1-4-Living-arrangements-age-groups.pdf
    “In the case of Sweden, with about 660,000 second homes, a full 54.2% of the population own or have access to a second home through relatives and friends, making it a widespread phenomenon.”
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14616688.2017.1331260?needAccess=true

  224. Mark G. says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Because China knew that they all had Coronavirus long before China had it.

    Then why was that not the reason the Chinese government gave for protesting the travel ban by Italy at the time? They didn’t say then there was no reason for a travel ban because the virus was already in Italy. The Chinese vice minister for foreign affairs said the ban would be a “great inconvenience” for Chinese travelers. That was the reason given then. Why didn’t he say the ban wasn’t needed because the virus was already in Italy and then provide the evidence? You say the Chinese had the evidence then so why not try to get the ban repealed by providing the evidence they had at that time?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  225. Thomasina says:
    @Tor597

    Yes, and they probably didn’t dump Covid-infected patients into their old-age homes either (like New York and others did). Almost seems like they were trying to get the death count up!

    The Japanese are conscientious and orderly. How many times do they wash their hands after touching a patient? A doorknob, a light switch, taps? After changing diapers (which goes on a lot in old-age homes)? Who is working in their old-age homes and hospitals? Are they mainly Japanese?

    Totally different culture. One doctor said that obesity was a major factor (if not “the” major factor) in Covid deaths. I wonder how many Japanese are obese.

  226. utu says:
    @Herald

    The paper “Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures.” was published in the CDC journal “Emerging Infectious Diseases” on 5 May 2020.

    I have commented on that paper on May 21:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-probably-out-of-control-in-dagestan/#comment-3908179

    The paper reviews old research and does some sort of meta study: “we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25)”

    Is there a flaw in their studies? Yes. Mask do not protect 100%. Everybody knows it. If a mask wearer is being repetitively exposed to virus eventually he will get infected in long enough time. Because flu season is long a mask wearer will eventually catch the flu. This is how the studies were conducted. Give a person a mask and send him into a room crowded with Typhoid Marys until he gets infected. That is not how one should look at mask efficacy.

    What if the mask wearer is surrounded by mask wearers versus when the mask wearer is surround by people w/o masks? Mask wearing is not only about your personals safety. It is about the whole community safety. If everybody wears it there is a synergic effect which in first approximation is like multiplying probabilities that are less than 1 which makes them even smaller.

    Mask wearing is community effort to reduce the reproductive number R0 to the point that the epidemic will stop. It is not that nobody with mask gets infected but it is about that the infectious people infect less people and this is most efficacious when both the infectious people and the uninfected wear masks. When the infectious person infects less than 1 other person on average the epidemic will die out.

    It was then that I came up with the ‘conspiracy theory” that CDC and WHO are in the Big Pharma pocket which does not want to promote nonpharmaceutical measures because they like mask wearing undercut profits from sales of antiviral drugs and vaccination. This is the reason why I called you Big Pharma shill and/or useful idiot.

    A paper that does epidemiological studies and stochastic simulations proving effectiveness of universal (80%) mask wearing measure was submitted in April, 2020.

    Universal Masking is Urgent in the COVID-19 Pandemic: SEIR and Agent Based Models, Empirical Validation, Policy Recommendations
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.13553

    Figure 2 shows the simulation results for a repre- sentative scenario: universal masking at 80% adoption (red) results in 60,000 deaths, compared to maintaining a strict lockdown (blue) which results in 180,000 deaths. Masking at only a 50% adoption rate (orange) is not suf- ficient to prevent continued spread and eventually results in 240,000 deaths.

    • Replies: @Herald
  227. Kingfelix says:

    The author is a congenital imbecile. Sweden’s deaths per million people is nearly 5 times that of Germany. Their policy has been a disaster, and a website that prides itself on being evidence-based shouldn’t publish such gibberish. Also, saying “this is the one chart that matters” is the opposite of thinking like a scientist, which is what public health/epedimiology are. Stick to coloring books.

    • Agree: utu, Saggy
    • Replies: @TJM
  228. @Mark G.

    Find the PRC’s statement and provide a link and we can talk about it.

    It is normally the receiving/host nation that bans flights, not the originating nation.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  229. How badly overestimated are Covid deaths?

    First, since the virus has NOT been isolated and purified it could be 100%.

    Second, numerous nurses and doctors have testified that they have been assigning normal seasonal flu and pneumonia deaths, plus even car deaths, gun fatalities to covid to get the $13,000 per head bonus.

    I’ve read even suicides, which are up, are listed as covid.

    So those making arguments based on gov’t statistics are using bad data for is for sure inaccurate. How off the data is can be estimated by subtracting seasonal average death rates for other diseases to arrive at an estimate covid fatality rate. This needs to be done by a math statition genius.

    I’ve read that actual covid deaths is about 3,900 while reported deaths is 140,000. That is a huge discrepancy.

    The daily new cases is especially flawed, as the test is flawed especially since no one can test directly for covid-19 (which could be a media hoax since this IS a military exercise BTW – see Mike Pompeo speech in March). One test is for virus anti-bodies, so anyone who had the flu in recent years might come up positive. Saying those tests are covid positive is extremely dishonest, something our government and health organizations are famous for.

    Then we have the Jewish supremacist media that hypes these bogus numbers, which is causing extreme harm to the Amerikan people. Why should they be allowed to do this? They are acting as terrorists hyping lies and pushing false information. Such behavior could lead to a real shooting revolution.

    Why should anyone believe anything coming out of the District of Criminals? I would reference WTC7, a building that came down by controlled demolition on 9-11-2001, which was reported by the BBC 30 minutes before it actually happened.

    It is beyond me that any intellectual on this site would take any CDC-WHO-ZIOgov stats seriously. Only immoral people would believe known liars. Using falsified statistics by criminal corporations and gov’t whores tomake public policy is insane.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  230. TJM says: • Website

    BRAVO SWEDEN! And thanks to the author Mike Whitney.
    Sweden also found a way to avoid being destroyed in WWII. Smart Swedes.

  231. @Jack Garbo

    Thailand, with 73 million citizens lost 58, with no local cases for more than 2 mths – using Chinese protocols. Vietnam, with 93 million people has lost no-one!
    Now tell me again about Sweden’s success…

    Interesting how you guys just appear out of the woodwork.

    Thailand has a king who is apparently a cross-dresser if not a full fledged tranny who spends most of his time getting buggered in Bavaria. And you cite that cartoon nation’s numbers?

    Vietnam is a communist shitshow. Jungle Asians at their best. And this is where in the world you look for solid truths and guidance? What? You couldn’t find the imaginary numbers for Liberia? Congo?

    You government media shills are going to have to try harder. You’re not very bright, nor are you at all convincing with the concern trolling.

    Why not promote the genuine benefit of wearing a mask? Folks who must ride an elevator with you will no longer have to smell George Soros’ semen on your breath.

  232. TJM says:
    @Kingfelix

    Kingfelix; I ran the numbers and Germany had about 111 deaths per million and Sweden had 560 deaths per million. So what? You want to shut down a country’s economy for 449 more people dying out of a million? Perhaps you are the congenital imbecile! Your math is correct, but your premise is wrong. How many Germans died in WWII? The Swedes are smart. They found a way not to die in that senseless slaughter.
    How many Germans will die from the lockdown? You don’t have a number for that do you? How many will get depressed? How many families will be destroyed? For what? 449 people out of a million, probably old people near death?
    You are the congenital imbecile here.
    TJM

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  233. Jazman says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree thank you for your great informative and objective research on China

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  234. @meamjojo

    “Dr. Anthony Fauci warns the coronavirus won’t ever be eradicated.”

    That’s because, to date, there is no singular, isolated and identified caronavirus – just the fear-for-all caronavirus-control-psyop, which may well never be eradicated.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  235. @Alfred

    The seven men who died were aged in their 40s to their 70s, while the three women who died were aged in their 70s and 80s.

    Of the seven men, three were in their 70s, two in their 80s, one in his 60s and one in his 40s.

    It’s patently apparent (in Australia, at least) that the core Corona Chan victims are elderly people, mostly from nursing homes – which implies that not only are they elderly, they are also not the healthiest of the geriatric cohort.

    The governing powers in Australia are pursuing a dogmatic suppression strategy – stop Corona Chan from spreading, stop the Corona Chan fatalities. As for immunity, the holy grail of an artificial solution via a manufactured “vaccine” is being strung out like a carrot to keep the masses faithful.

    The lockdown measures being enforced in pursuit of those goals are quite logical, and no doubt will be effective, in the context of the chosen strategy.

    The mandated use of face masks will also help toward that strategy (the benefit of a face mask is suppression of aerosol spray, not blocking nanoparticles).

    BUT, having said all that, I personally disagree with the overall path being taken by Australia on this matter, for several reasons, eg:

    1. “Vaccine”? Don’t make me laugh. The only ones to benefit from any supposed “vaccine” will be Big Pharma with all the juicy profits, and psycopaths like creepy Kermit the Gates with his undisclosed additives delivered surreptitiously with said “vaccine” (like when he deliberately sterilised 100,000 Kenyan women – without their knowledge or consent – with his polio “vaccine”). Nevermind that no successful Coronavirus vaccine has ever been developed (which is why there is no “vaccine” for the common cold). Far better for people to live and eat healthy, and turn to supplements which have already been proven effective against Corona Chan – just ask the Chinese for their advice on this.

    2. It would be far more sensible to identify and isolate vulnerable populations (such as elderly residents in nursing homes) in order to protect them from Corona Chan, while allowing the general population to get on with their lives and regular economic activity. A “targeted lockdown”, if you will. The Corona Chan fatality pattern in Australia supports this idea.

    3. The suppression strategy has an end-date determined by delivery of the holy grail “vaccine” – in other words, any prospective end date will be accompanied by draconian imposition of universal “vaccination” along with whatever undisclosed ingredients are selected for our “benefit” (Mark of the Beast, anyone?).

    As Alfred says,

    This nonsense is going to go on for years – until there is herd immunity in Australia.

    One can only hope that common sense will eventually prevail, and other methods beyond suppression (such as isolating the vulnerable, & proven nutritional mitigations) will be employed to reduce the fatalities from what is (in Australia, at least) an otherwise very mediocre bug.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  236. refl says:
    @AKAHorace

    It is even better to glue them to your face or rather have them sawn to your skin.

    However, if corona-believers took a pledge not to breathe for the next couple of months, the problem should go by quickly.

    Forgive me my trolling, my dear corona worshippers, but this whole thread is surreal.

  237. Paul C. says:
    @onebornfree

    So fuck off and move there and take all of your mandatory lockdown and mandatory-mask-moron friends there with you, PLEASE, I beg you!

    This made me laugh out loud and warmed my heart at the same time.

    I know this country and the world has been propagandized their entires lives but I didn’t realize the extent our population has lost all critical thinking skills. It’s horrifying. People are walking their dog in the park with a mask on. Others are driving their car with the windows up and a mask on. God help them (seriously).

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  238. @Larry Romanoff

    Here are some current real numbers. Draw your own conclusions.

    While your quoted numbers are (generally) beyond dispute, they are not sufficient to draw global conclusions.

    The Corona Chan suppression strategies (relating to to the freedom of Corona Chan to spread through a population) are one factor in a nation’s case & fatality rates.

    The methods used to treat Corona Chan are another factor. Some simple, effective and inexpensive measures have been reported to mitigate and quickly cure Corona Chan cases, while some other far more expensive treatments are alleged to actually worsen cases and even kill some patients.

    Then, there is the issue of orchestration of the “pandemic”. There are allegedly a variety of Corona Chan strains on the loose, some more virulent than others. Moreover, who is to say that any particular nation that gets Corona Chan under control might not be “re-seeded” just to keep the ball rolling?

    FWIW, most nations around the Western Pacific rim seem to have better Corona Chan responses than elsewhere around the globe, but China stands out as having been comparatively the most effective.

  239. @Larry Romanoff

    Actually, Larry, I’m not sure they are even going up at all, deaths FROM the COVID-19, that is. The incentives to mark deaths as having been FROM this virus are high, both financial and political. 8,000 people or so die every day in America. The number ascribed to the Kung Flu is a significant percentage, but are these additional deaths or just deaths put into the corona bucket to keep the narrative going?

    We’ll only get a good picture after a year or two has gone by. Even then, the additional suicides and early deaths due to lack of treatment during the hospital closings ought to be subtracted out (but won’t).

    Number of infections goes up greatly when you test more people. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, the man said.

    • Agree: Herald, idrankwhat
    • Replies: @Herald
  240. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Paul C.

    Glad you got a chuckle. You either have to laugh at all of these masked moron slaves, or cry, I suppose. Or, we need to eliminate them when they come for us, which they are, already, of course . Take your pick. I say: “Live free or die”

    Thanks for the Carlin vid.

    Regards, onebornfree

  241. Herald says:
    @utu

    The paper I cite is a meta-analysis of real science, looking at ten random controlled trials carried out between 1946 and 2018. It was published on 5 May 2020 and patently not out of date. It is clearly the current gold standard in regard to mask use, outside a health care setting.

    The paper you quote is nothing more than rushed special pleading dressed up as science. It has clearly been produced to order, in an effort to further the political aims of those controlling the Covid-19 agenda. Money can buy opinion, but it can’t buy real science and the necessary due diligence.

    By the way, you have not addressed my point, that if we suppose masks actually do reduce transmission of Covid-19, then they would obviously slow or even prevent the build up of that most valuable commodity, herd immunity.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  242. Mark G. says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Find the PRC’s statement and provide a link and we can talk about it.

    Why don’t you provide a link from that time period where Chinese officials are saying there is no reason for Italy to ban travel from China because the coronavirus was already in Italy?

    China banned travel from the infected part of the country to the rest of China to prevent it from spreading to the rest of China. If, as you say, it was already in Italy and Chinese officials knew that then they should have been for a travel ban between Italy and China because the disease would have been introduced into the rest of China via travel between Italy and the rest of China. Instead, though, it was the exact opposite. They protested when Italy introduced the ban. Why is that?

  243. Show us the links. You’re just making stuff up.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  244. @Anonymous

    What are you, an apologist for too tall Deval?

  245. This article and its comments would make an excellent research topic for a Master’s thesis on delusion in America. Cold facts are either denied or ignored. Completely false statements are everywhere to be seen, the most ridiculous rationalisations made to excuse failings which cannot otherwise be denied.

    I am sorry to say this, but Americans appear unable and/or unwilling to think rationally, refuse to accept facts, twist reality and even fabricate facts to fit a position. The presentation and comments here could not take place in any other country because no other peoples do this. It is true that Canada, the UK and Australia have the same disease, but not to the extent it exists in the US, all of it driven by ideology, politicisation, and a self-inflicted blindness that exists nowhere else. An almost genetic refusal to even recognise much less admit flaw or failure except for self-adoration, and a juvenile determination to be on “the winning team”.

    A truly astonishing, bizarre capacity to re-create reality. When Europe banned American travelers, CNN’s reality was to ignore the underlying catastrophe at home and run articles about Italians missing their beloved American tourists. When the country proved leaderless and the CDC a bigger disaster than the virus, suddenly testing, masks, isolation, quarantine became “draconian measures” that didn’t help anyway – documented by fabricated facts, delusional reasoning and an apparently congenital blindness.

    Some claim deaths aren’t important because they were mostly old people who were “ready to die anyway”. It is mostly the English-speaking nations – but primarily the US – that hold the elderly in such contempt. The US and UK almost completely ignored the nursing homes even when it was fully apparent each was an epidemic in its own right, the CDC even forbidding testing in many cases.

    “Sweden: the One Chart That Matters” – the death rate finally falling. But the presentation of that one chart is misleading because the charts for China, South Korea, Singapore, Thailand, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Ireland, would look almost identical, their infections and deaths also having peaked and fallen to nearly zero. The chart is simply a display of a declining fatality rate that proves nothing in itself but is used as a prop for the false and irrational thesis that self-protection measures are useless, with many then heatedly defending this flawed thesis in spite of Sweden’s death rate from COVID-19 being five to ten times that of others similar.

    “The secret of Sweden’s success is that its experts settled on a strategy that was realistic, sustainable and science-based.” But Sweden was not a success but an abject failure, recognised by the entire world including the Swedes themselves. To claim Sweden’s ‘strategy’ as realistic and science-based, is absurd. There is no science anywhere that claims the best response to an epidemic is to do nothing and just let the pathogen kill everyone until it plays itself out. Such a policy would be ‘sustainable’ only so long as there are still people left alive. Preventive measures are apparently not ‘realistic’.

    For those who don’t know, Sweden is a country with an insanity problem, partly evidenced by a rash of bombings that began ten years ago and has now reached about one every two days, sometimes several in one night, with apartment buildings, cars, churches, being destroyed. Sweden’s method of dealing with this, as with COVID-19, is to do nothing, and the country’s national broadcaster SVT remains silent, the bombings not even appearing on the news. The same is true of shootings, sexual offenses and an epidemic of robberies of children. Parts of Swedish cities are so dangerous that they are “no-go zones” for even the police, but according to the government it’s alll just “an image problem”.

    • Agree: utu
  246. When is this utter mask lunacy going to end? Well one theory is if Biden (or his last minute sub) wins, the day after the election or the day after Trump drops out of the race and resigns.

    Election day is Nov 3rd, if the Communist Demonrats win the whole coronavirus will be completely forgotten on Nov 4th, 2020. The lockstep media will never mention new cases again except as a footnote at the end of propaganda broadcast. No longer will big flashy graphics be put up on the telescreen to scare to bejeezus out of the sheeple.

    The entire episode of state – media – pharma – medical insanity will be swept under the rug and disappeared down some memory drain hole. A new official truth will emerge, or an old one resurrected like climate change or the need for gun control. Our new glorious president select says ‘The only thing we have to fear is Gina itself.” The Gina is the new enemy, we can not have the Gina taking over the warm seas and stimulating the Asian economy.

    Or maybe the war of Iran starts just before or after the election. Maybe the new President Pence launches and all out cruise missile attack on Iran or Gina’s navy in some south sea. That will revitalize Seattle and Boeing after the antifa BLM burning times. With a Pence win we will surely have National Prayer Day for Jezus and Israel.

    With a Democratic win, a New Green Deal, AOC is made speaker of the house and everyone gets a $1,000 a month for life. School loans forgiven, free cars to high school graduates. Cash for clunkers and Fords for the Class of 2021 the new prosperity slogan.

    Once this corona insanity is over, the state will move on to the new crisis, their latest manufactured crisis that they imagined sitting around some Pentacon situation room like a scene out of How to Quit Worrying About the Bomb and Staring Loving the Predator Drone. Assassination drones for everyone, that is how we get Amerika working again

  247. Fear and loathing in covid911 land

    If you have Jesus you have no fear 1.

    How pretel does sweden escape the “oligarchs”clutches? Is it to be used as a blugeon?
    I guess so.

    Have abortion rates slipped worldwide?

    Get me the numbahs, before you weakkneed crybabies go off an another draconian measure to eliminate us.

  248. Herald says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Bullshit. You’re telling us that you would have noticed a few geezers dropping in the nursing homes without the government media shining a 24/7 spotlight on it? And sorry, but losing half the octogenarians and nonagenarians who were infected would have been an economic stimulus, it certainly would not cause a recession.

    What’s more, there is a case for saying that these nursing home deaths were intentional, so as to give the plandemic some early strong traction. Those responsible should be locked away for a very long time.

    However, it is crystal clear that many in authority, particularly in the US and UK, have done everything they possibly can to inflate the death numbers from Covid-19. The death figures for Covid-19 are pure propaganda.

    This epidemic was planned and as such it needed deaths, both real and fictitious, in order to stop the wheels from falling off the very shaky Covid narrative.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  249. Hegar says:

    Instead, Sweden implemented a policy that was both conventional and sensible. They recommended that people maintain a safe distance between each other and they banned gatherings of 50 people or more. They also asked their elderly citizens to isolate themselves and to avoid interacting with other people as much as possible. Other than that, Swedes were encouraged to work, exercise and get on with their lives as they would normally even though the world was still in the throes of a global pandemic.

    True but Sweden did more than this:

    -A lot of workplaces cut down to about 40 percent activity. So employees come in twice a week, on different days. The economy took a sharp hit.

    -Universities sent the students home as much as possible, to study online. (I hope this could be permanent in all countries. A lot of lectures are just to give the professors a paycheck. The information could be written down and handed out to the students, instead of forcing them to take notes as fast as they can.)

    -Commuter traffic in Stockholm went down by at least one third.

    -Seats in trains were cut down to only one third.

    -Visits to the old by the Home Service went down sharply, with food left outside the door.

    -Amusement parks, concerts etc were shut down – this is included in the “gatherings of more than 50 people were banned” rule, but you need to point out how significant this is. Even the annual celebration for high school students at the end of the year was cancelled.

    -Like in other countries, tape on the floor indicates the distance between people standing in line in stores, etc.

    The intention was never to “fight” the virus which is among the most contagious infections in the last century, but to protect the old and vulnerable while allowing the young, low-risk people to circulate, contract the virus, and develop the antibodies they’d need to fight similar pathogens in the future.

    No. For “herd mentality” 70-80 percent of a population needs to develop antibodies. Leaving aside the lethality, corona sends people to the hospital. It fills up hospital beds and ventilators. No country could cope with even 20 percent of the population getting sick, as a certain percentage of these would need hospitalization. The system would break down. “Herd immunity” was never a serious option, it’s just something held out to give people hope. As long as they can’t do math.

    The Swedish model undermines this effort by providing a viable alternative that challenges lockdowns and leads countries out of crisis.

    One last detail is that Sweden doesn’t have a law that allows the government to isolate people in their homes. No one thought it would be needed, especially not for the healthiest people in the West.

    (Changing now that immigrants bring up the numbers for smoking, alcohol use, drug use, unhealthy food – gee, why are these numbers rising? No one is allowed to say.)

    The government also knows that immigrant neighborhoods would simply ignore a lockdown, and punishment for crime is a joke. Just a few years in prison for rape, if even that. For a lockdown, it would be only a fine. And the police are overwhelmed and simply ignore any crimes that aren’t violent assault – for car theft and burglaries they just write a report and then leave it. They would never enforce a lockdown. They would never arrest immigrants for something that would only give them a small fine. They don’t have the manpower, and they know the Social Democrats and communists would attack them as “racist” for the high rate of arrested immigrants.

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Alfred
  250. @Swedish Family

    Internet liar. You are a Pollack from Chicago.

  251. @utu

    Thank you. Jesus Christ. I like how you use facts to counter “personal” anecdotes (that are really just made up lies).

  252. Sorry Larry.
    Best you stick to China when giving opinions/viewpoints/facts.
    You hyperbolic rhetorical repertoire sounds like an official CCP-propaganda hit-piece on Sweden.
    You don’t know what you’re talkin’ about.
    Either provide in detail links from multiple & credible sources from Sweden or, state clearly what you are writing are your “impressions” on what is actually happening in Sweden.
    You are grossly exaggerating or twisting the ‘facts’ friend.
    I live in Sweden.
    You don’t.
    Bye.
    X-
    btw. I’m not interested in a reply from you. I’ve wasted enough time already now.

  253. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    At what level of number of deaths
    do you think warrants collapsing the economy,
    destroying lives, culture, instituting Orwellian practices?

    Some in authority and washed brain go with 2/20 million.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  254. Ivan says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    About AIDS I’d like to add that even among the majority of men and women who partner and figure in the statistics, one still has to control for those who indulge in sodomy. The fact is the rectum is not designed to endure the party and thrust of sex. It therefore is prone to bleed. Along with the tearing, the filth that the body tries to expel gets reinjected into the bloodstream along with whatever goodies the usually infected male member brings.

    As a middle-brow reader with something to lose, I kept up with the literature in Scientific American all through the 80s, read whatever I could in the press yet it was not until sometime in the 90s that I became aware of such figures as Peter Duisberg , the possibility of drug use compromising the immune.system and so on. The narrative was controlled then as now by the fearmongers and those with an agenda like the pink lobby.

    But quite early on in the 80s it was a running joke that AIDS stands for Anally Injected Death Sentence. Some wisecracker in my native Malayalam made up : Assenethil Idducthanil Devanthunda Shiksha , which in scanning translation means Rear Ending, God’s Punishment.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  255. Herald says:
    @Emslander

    Characterising Whitney’s position in so distorted a way only proves that his arguments are pretty effectively destroying your belief in the lockdown hysteria.

    Well put.

    Larry articles are often interesting and usually worth a read, but his comments here are no more than a mixture of cherrypicking, hot air and unwarranted incivility. Mike Whitney has done well to retain his calm.

  256. Herald says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Number of infections goes up greatly when you test more people. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, the man said.

    And then there are Covid-19 statistics !!!!!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  257. Ivan says:
    @Hegar

    You can argue about this till kingdom come. Sweden was singled out for opprobrium since it did not shut down it’s economy. In particular it allowed it’s service sector to run at a level that did not spark mass unemployment. Any advanced country with a capable civil service and of a middling size such as Denmark or New Zealand or Singapore can institute whatever control regime they want and they would still come out looking successful. Such is not the case with large countries such as the US , India and Brazil . But every country was supposed to follow the same regime even though these particular countries are known to have difficulties imposing a common regime on their widely disparate constituencies. That Ferguson with his gobbledegook codes has a lot to answer for. The expected number of deaths in India during the last three months was around 3 million. The number of Covid related deaths stands at around 20,000 . To achieve this indifferent level the entire hospitality sector has been devastated. Many of those not on regular income live at subsistence level. Those who should be in the sun developing their health no longer do so.

    And this business about “herd immunity” is just a red herring. The overwhelming majority of us can live with the virus just as we live with countless virii and bacteria even now in our bodies whether or not we develop antibodies. Therefore there is a compelling need for accurate statistics to identify particular groups that are vulnerable to serious infection and to direct scarce medical resources to them. But we are not getting it, not by a long shot as long as we have this Confederacy of Dunces running the show.

    • Agree: Alfred
  258. Sparkon says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    I am sorry to say this, but Americans appear unable and/or unwilling to think rationally, refuse to accept facts, twist reality and even fabricate facts to fit a position.

    You should be very sorry indeed for using such a broad brush to tar all Americans.

    As an American, I’m offended and insulted by your lack of discrimination, and failure to recognize Americans who are not guilty of the transgressions you cite.

  259. @Uomiem

    Where is the evidence that they work?

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/36451-does-fauci-oppose-mask-studies-because-he-knows

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

    This meta-study is a good start:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/efficacy-of-masks-confirmed/

    There are more like it if you look around.

    Note the key difference between masks that protect you from others’ viruses and masks that protect others from your viruses. Even very basic masks will do the second job, while the first takes very advanced masks.

  260. @Damian

    Ok, the head of the Swedish government. The man with the job that actually matters, not the man whose job is nothing more than ceremonial. Why would anyone quote him?

    He gets quoted more than you think. But your point still stands — I was merely being a stickler.

  261. @utu

    In Sweden 20%-25% of population lives in single-person households comparing to 5% in Italy and 3% in Spain. 40% of seniors live in one person senior household.
    https://www.oecd.org/els/family/HM1-4-Living-arrangements-age-groups.pdf
    “In the case of Sweden, with about 660,000 second homes, a full 54.2% of the population own or have access to a second home through relatives and friends, making it a widespread phenomenon.”
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14616688.2017.1331260?needAccess=true

    I take “lockdown” to mean any very serious restriction on what citizens of a society can do (such as hanging with friends on a Friday night). By this measure, Sweden’s restrictions — most of them voluntary — were nothing remotely like a lockdown.

  262. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Probably, but there were many so-called experts claiming those things did not work. At least Sweden did acknowledge they dropped the ball when it came to nursing homes.

  263. @anon

    This suggests the only two options are (a) letting everyone die or (b) collapsing the economy. If you look at China and much of Asia, there were relatively few deaths and no economies ‘collapsed’. They have suffered, of course, but China in particular is recovering well and others are similar.

    The difference is that the Chinese government not only planned the lockdowns to the last small detail, but also saw clearly the potential economic damage and planned the recovery also down to the last small detail. Hundreds of infrastructure projects have been brought forward to provide ample employment opportunities, huge attention has been paid to the current crop of ten million new university grads with widespread job fairs and much else. In total, hundreds of initiatives to spur the economy, none of which involve giving money to the big multi-nationals as in the US.

    And it isn’t only the government. Individual Chinese have taken it upon themselves to help Hubei and Wuhan recover, several hundred million of them actively searching for any Hubei products they can buy, to help the province get back on its feet. In the last two months alone, literally billions of dollars of purchases have been made, often through online sales specifically arranged for this. Many Hubei producers are saying their entire week’s or month’s production sells out in minutes. As well, millions of Chinese say this year’s vacation will be to Hubei and Wuhan, to help their tourism sector recover. What are Americans doing to help New York recover?

    You are viewing the world through an American cultural and political lens and your vision is distorted from that. Things are quite different in other countries, more so than you might imagine. Most Western nations have appeared leaderless during this pandemic, but many others are not leaderless. You don’t know because your media won’t tell you.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Chinaman
  264. @Larry Romanoff

    That 2nd part was the very best of Lying by Omission that I’ve read in a long while. Kudos, Mr. Romanoff! Is it the Swedes doing these bombings, rapes, and other violence? Please tell us, if you can without lying. Those are all the lovely new “refugee” arrivals from the darkest parts of the world.

    Not only that, but most of the virus deaths were in the major cities where these types reside. There was no way they were going to voluntarily do anything different to protect themselves or anyone else, nobody was about to stop them, and these are many of the low-wage workers in the big city nursing homes who simply didn’t give a shit about the old people dying.

    Swedes, hell! The only way in which I’ll say the Swedes were crazy, is that they let the matriarchy let a million or more very-foreign immigrants into their country, even importing both sides of civil wars, due to “compassion”.

    I am sorry to say this, but Americans appear unable and/or unwilling to think rationally, refuse to accept facts, twist reality and even fabricate facts to fit a position. The presentation and comments here could not take place in any other country because no other peoples do this.

    I can’t find the right words, but I think the OneBornFree said this most eloquently:

    Fuck off, Larry!

    • Replies: @Veritas X-
  265. @Godfree Roberts

    As a purported China expert, you really are not in touch, are you Godfree? Over the last month of so, the Chinese government has been curtailing pleasure travel of the Chinese people by revoking or invalidating their passports. My source is not sure on the reasoning here. I really don’t think it’s just a “we’ll show you people by spending less money” thing, as most of the Chinese are savvy tourists that travel for cheap in groups.

    Peak Stupidity discussed Chinese tourism around the world in “The Ugly Chinaman”*. They don’t seem to “do as the Romans do”, even in Rome. They are still looking for that Chinese food, which is, conveniently, about everywhere in the world.

    Why is the Chinese government doing this? You won’t see the American government doing this… yet. (When the SHTF, I could see them implementing capital controls and travel restrictions, though.)

    .

    * Again, please don’t get hung up on the title, people, as this comes from the “ugly American” phrase that has nothing to do with physical characteristics.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  266. @Ivan

    Thank you, Ivan, but re: that first paragraph, TMI! Uggh.

    • Thanks: Ivan
  267. @Herald

    This epidemic was planned and as such it needed deaths, both real and fictitious, in order to stop the wheels from falling off the very shaky Covid narrative.

    Wait. You mean GrannyKiller Cuomo and that ilk were willing to kill people to further their agenda?

  268. Agent76 says:

    Jul 27, 2020 When Will Covid Tyranny End? W.H.O. Director: ‘Never!’ Unless..

    But every year the normal flu kills about that many…so why the lockdowns and forced masks and destruction of the economy for this one? What is the real agenda behind this mass hysteria? Also today – as the Sun Belt “spike” continues to fade, what will be the next tyrant move to terrify – and terrorize – the population? Cuomo’s attack on chicken wings.

  269. @Achmed E. Newman

    Excellent A.E.N. !
    I couldn’t have said it better myself.
    Thank You.
    And of course, as stated many times in the Swedish MSM, the Somali immigrants & ‘certain Middle Eastern’ immigrants(Kurd, Iraqi) were highly affected and initially suffered a very disproportional high death rate in the Stockholm & Göteborg areas.
    So technically speaking, they are not ethnic-Swedes.
    Cheers X-
    ps.
    if you read this Larry you may wanna take a look at comment #258

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  270. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    I am looking through the lens of what was/is done in now dead-America.
    We, somebodies, did destroy the economy. No two options.
    The dying option was a trick to frighten.
    Other nefarious agendas were put into play.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  271. So, there is this:

    Brave Frontline COVID Doctor Calls Out Fake News, Challenges CNN’s Chris Cuomo to Take a Urine Test to Prove He Isn’t Taking Hydroxychloroquine

    • Replies: @Alfred
  272. Chinaman says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/3091757/earlier-signs-coronavirus-sewage-samples-brazil

    Brazil too. Nov 27th.

    If the west was serious about an investigation, every country in the world should conduct this wastewater test. Sure China would participate in that case.

    Conducting a phylogenetic study of all these Wastewater samples using Peter Forester’s methodology would allow us to pinpoint the origin of the virus. This research direction is so obvious that the only reason it is not being done is because it would expose the incompetence and failings of many people and the West is deadset on shifting the blame it on China.

    All this evidence will be ignored when the history books are written. China will still be scapegoat for it.

    • Agree: Alfred, Herald
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  273. Chinaman says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Thanks.

    Living in Hong Kong, I wasn’t even aware of all this coordinated support for Wuhan.

    I should go to Wuhan if not for the 14 day quarantine.

    It is ironic that China is the safest place in the world now.

    Political system and ideology don’t matter. Good governance does.

  274. @Achmed E. Newman

    Over the last month of so, the Chinese government has been curtailing pleasure travel of the Chinese people by revoking or invalidating their passports. Why is the Chinese government doing this? You won’t see the American government doing this.

    The Chinese government has been curtailing pleasure travel of the Chinese people by revoking or invalidating their passports because the travelers would not be able to gain readmission to China, for the same reason US diplomats who left in February cannot gain readmission without extensive testing and lengthy, expensive quarantines.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  275. @Chinaman

    I suspect that the US withdrawal from the WHO is intended to thwart such an investigation.

  276. Saggy says: • Website

    Here is the article I’d like to see written – starting with the same graph that heads this article, and explaining why the epidemic is over in Sweden.

    In fact graphs like Sweden’s are common, with a major surge and then tapering to next to nothing. What is going on? Has ‘herd immunity’ be achieved? It seems very unlikely, and yet, the number of new deaths is very low.

    Why does the virus not continue until nearly everyone is infected? We started with the assessment that the virus was very transmissible, so, what is stopping it in countries that have controlled it?

    Edit: the explanation should also cover the graph of daily new infections.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  277. The truth says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    China´s economic statistics are made up, no one who has money on the line takes them seriously: https://www.datadriveninvestor.com/2019/09/22/four-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-trust-chinas-gdp-data/

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  278. @Godfree Roberts

    Why would they not be able to gain readmission to China? All the COVID nonsense requires is that one stay quarantined in a hotel room for 2 weeks at the travelers expense. I mean, IN the room with food brought up at the travelers expense. This is all a quite reasonable demand, IMO, but why is it not up to the traveler whether to put up with this or not? Your reply does not make a whole lot of sense, Godfree.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  279. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    First clue (for me) Corony was balony – bat soup and picture.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/food-warnings/chinese-influencer-wang-mengyun-aka-bat-soup-girl-breaks-silence/news-story/63ef0cec5b6d448d1843e2e1bcadb14d

    Second clue (for me) Corony double balony: repeated and negative use of term “Wet market”.

    https://news.mongabay.com/2020/04/whats-in-a-name-wet-markets-may-hide-true-culprits-for-covid-19/

    The term “wet market” is typically used to describe places in China and other Asian countries that sell fresh vegetables, fruits, seafood and meat from domesticated animals.

    Third clue: The hype machine was operating full force with questioning voices censored.
    Censoring usually a good clue BS being passed as truth.

    And

    Trump did say it (the hype) was a hoax.

    Hysteria generated and maintained (permanently?) for what purpose?

    Not to save lives. More people being killed/murdered by the responses than this figment.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Wally
  280. Nuncle says:

    Nobody believes official mortality stats, surely.

  281. @Achmed E. Newman

    Dunno. But I do know that there are around 100,000 Chinese who were caught abroad by Covid and who have not been able to return. Mostly students.

    And since there are still imported infections showing up there and they have limited space and time and personnel to deal with legit travelers with urgent needs (gov’t., major contractors, diplomats, etc.) I guess they’re too busy to deal with tourists.

    It’s the same in Thailand, where I live. I’ve had wealthy clients–with megabuck operations scheduled at local hospitals–calling me from the border asking how they can get in. And, when there’s a flight out of Thailand it’s advertised nationally in advance and fares are murderous.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  282. Alfred says:
    @Hegar

    For “herd mentality” 70-80 percent of a population needs to develop antibodies.

    Nonsense. 20% is quite enough. Any stochastic model that reproduces reality will show that uninfected people quickly become isolated from those who are infectious – because those who have been infected get in the way of the virus.

    Not even the Black Death killed more than a fraction of the population of cities such as London. Everyone had fleas and lice in those days and there were rats everywhere.

    The rodents and their fleas were thought to have spread a series of outbreaks in 14th-19th Century Europe.

    But a team from the universities of Oslo and Ferrara now says the first, the Black Death, can be “largely ascribed to human fleas and body lice”.

    Black Death spread by humans, not rats – study

  283. Wally says:
    @anon

    said:
    “Trump did say it (the hype) was a hoax. ”

    Indeed, Trump referred to the “politicizing” of the coronavirus by Democrats as “their new hoax.” He did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax. Throughout the speech, Trump reiterates his administration is taking the threat of the coronavirus seriously.

    – An examination of the video and transcript show Trump actually described Democratic complaints about his handling of the virus threat as “their new hoax.

    https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fact-check-donald-trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-rally/

  284. @anon

    “I am looking through the lens of what was/is done in now dead-America. We, somebodies, did destroy the economy. No two options.”

    Yes, and to tell the truth I (and many people around the world, I’m sure) are sorry to see what has happened in the US. It wasn’t your fault. Americans didn’t deserve what happened to them in 2008 and don’t deserve what is happening to them today.

    There was an article recently stating that US billionaires increased their wealth by 565 billion in the first five months of 2020. That wasn’t an accident. By how much do you suppose the other 99% saw their wealth increase during this same time?

    All the Western democracies suffered the same thing, including India and Brazil especially. South Korea is a bit of an outlier. The reason is that all these countries have been taken over by powers beyond their elected governments and are run primarily if not solely for the profit of finance and big business. In the US, Congress reports to the FED, Monsanto and the FBI (more or less). In other nations, banks and corporations are below the government in terms of power. There is nothing you can do about this now. It is too late. Even a revolution is unlikely to succeed.

    But in a sense it is your fault because Americans as a class have watched all this happening in slow motion for the past 100 years, and in rapid motion for the past 30 years, and did nothing. No country can have an evil government persist except by the silent consent of its people. When your government destroyed Iraq, Libya, so many other nations, you did nothing. Today your government is trying its best to destroy Venezuela, China, Russia, Syria, Iran, and you do nothing. You spit at Chinese on the street. You don’t care that your government is trying to overthrow a legitimate elected government in Venezuela and is totally destroying that country’s economy and inflicting unimaginable hardship on the people.

    You watch your president tell hundreds of the most outrageous lies and fail at everything while attacking half of the world for no reason, and half of you want to vote for him again. You watch him destroy your country with the new virus, but all you do is break shop windows. You know that all of your Senators and Congressmen have declared their loyalty to Israel and the Jews instead of to America, but you don’t dare even raise the issue.

    The problem isn’t the virus. It is a government run by aliens primarily to suck the US so dry that it will blow away. Your government avoided taking action so that big private enterprise could profit from the virus testing and the vaccines. They don’t necessarily want all of you to die. They just want all your remaining money. If you survive, that’s okay, but if you die then you die. It’s not that they want you to die. It’s just that they don’t care.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @anon
    , @acementhead
    , @Emslander
  285. The Chinese government did not “revoke or invalidate passports”. What it did was to temporarily suspend all entry visas and resident permits held by foreigners.

    The stated reason was to prevent imported infections. The real reason was to evict several million troublemakers (mostly American) from the country and prevent their return without causing a diplomatic crisis.

    That’s why China chose to force the US to close their consulate in Chengdu. Too many Americans using diplomatic cover to foment insurrections in Tibet and Xinjiang. China had repeatedly claimed US ‘diplomats’ have been “engaged in activities not described in their diplomatic certifications”

    Hong Kong is the same. That place is loathed by the Chinese government as a hotbed of American espionage and insurrection. At the height of the violence in HK, the US Consulate had a staff of more than 1,600 people !!! One for every five Americans resident there. That will end, too. They will either leave or end up in prison, which is why the US made so much noise about the new Security Law; their prime weapon against China has been emasculated.

    Even the NYT moved half their staff from HK to South Korea, from danger of imprisonment for sedition.

    • Thanks: Godfree Roberts
  286. @The truth

    China is the world’s leading destination for foreign investment, FDI, for several reasons–one of which is that its national statistics have been rock-solid for the past 40 years–with not a single major discrepancy found.

    The quality of China’s GDP statistics☆ by Carsten A. HOLZ ⁎
    Stanford Center for International Development, Stanford University. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1043951X14000753?via%3Dihub

    The Quality of China’s Official Statistics: A Brief Review of Academic Perspectives
    Dmitriy Plekhanov
    DOI: https://doi.org/10.22439/cjas.v35i1.5400

  287. AKAHorace says:
    @onebornfree

    So fuck off and move there and take all of your mandatory lockdown and mandatory-mask-moron friends there with you, PLEASE, I beg you! Enjoy your Chinese “democracy” fantasy. And don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, mo fo!

    So “Oneborn”free”“. You have a point. Keep your face diaper free.

    Then the responsible authorities can introduce compulsory face masks but leave the penalty at low levels, so non compliant subjects will signal their adherence to out dated social norms that may later interfere with positive social engineering.

    At the same time we can introduce facial recognition technology. This will make it easy to quickly develop a database of subjects with anti social tendencies. Would you mind posting a few videos of yourself on Youtube bravely defying anti COVID measures ? This could help by matching facial and voice recognition signatures.

    Asking for a friend.

    P.S. Please pay by card not with cash in stores.

  288. I agree with the premise of this article as whole. Sweden’s response was really a portrayal of adult, mature, and reasonable response to an otherwise serious problem. Kudos!!

    I am also on opinion that the way this pandemic was handled/managed to by various “governments” around the world exactly showed which country had the highest number of deaths and its relation to its heath care system. It also showed exactly which country was run by as****les by correlating it to by the highest number of death per capita. Those are large corporations with complex ties to the governments. Amazingly, the people of those countries vote for them and hired them to to basically rob them. And, we all noticed, there were enormous failures. Many good successes too. The way I see it, if the President is NOT going to dawn as mask, it is NOT going to go well as whole. and it has not.

    From the statistical perspective we can summarize that Sweden is NOT run by a bunch of as****les. Thank you.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  289. Alfred says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Good for this Nigerian lady doctor. She has a lot more interest in the welfare of her patients than calculating murderers like Tedros Adhanom and Anthony Fauci.

    It is amazing what a hold Bill Gates and company have on Trump. They managed to shut him up properly as regards this Hydroxychloroquine treatment.

  290. Alfred says:
    @Saggy

    Why does the virus not continue until nearly everyone is infected? We started with the assessment that the virus was very transmissible, so, what is stopping it in countries that have controlled it?

    Dear Saggy,

    Humans are not like drops of water in a full bucket. Each one of us is an individual. However, we can group people with certain characteristics. In general, young people and children are especially sociable. The elderly tend to not work and to spend a lot of time at home.

    Try to imagine a society with only two categories of people, the sociable and the unsociable. When a new airborne infection arrives, like the common cold, those who are sociable will get it first.

    With this coronavirus, almost all of them will be unaware that they caught anything. After a few days, they become naturally immune to this virus. They can no longer infect others.

    The virus can no longer use these sociable people as a bridge between the currently infectious and the rest of the uninfected population (the sociable and the unsociable). This process leads to the virus disappearing rather rapidly. It is achieved when only around 20% of the population have been exposed and have become immune.

    This second wave story is something from the backend of Fauci and company

  291. Wally says:
    @john cronk

    A must see as neo-Marxist censorship continues unabated:

    Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/
    exc.:
    The event, hosted by the organization America’s Frontline Doctors, a group founded by Dr. Simone Gold, a board-certified physician and attorney, and made up of medical doctors, came together to address what the group calls a “massive disinformation campaign” about the coronavirus. Norman also spoke at the event.

    “If Americans continue to let so-called experts and media personalities make their decisions, the great American experiment of a Constitutional Republic with Representative Democracy, will cease,” reads the event’s information page.“

  292. slorter says:

    Country COVID cases Deaths Cases per 100 thousand Deaths per 100 thousand

    Australia 14,403 155 56.2 0.60

    Sweden 78,897 5,697 763.3 55.05

    Australia was in lock down

    But even the IMF is cautioning against this sort of optimism:

    Any final verdict will also depend on whether, as a by-product of its approach, Sweden is closer to achieving herd immunity, thereby increasing its resilience in the event of another wave of infection. Medical knowledge about Covid-19 is still accumulating, and recent tests indicate that immunity gains have been lower than initially projected.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  293. Herald says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Agreed, as usual Jon is well up to speed and he cites the same CDC paper.

  294. @Godfree Roberts

    It’s not because they are unable to return. It’s because they don’t want to spring for a high fare (in my example it was $5,000 a piece, 1-way) to go a roundabout way to get there due to many countries having curtailed direct airline service. Then, did I mention the 14-day quarantine at a hotel at their own expense?

    My example is a Chinese woman who had been a “visiting scholar”* in English (haha!) in America whose daughter came from China right before the outbreak in China to stay for a few weeks. Well, she couldn’t go home for months. Then she wanted to get the hell out of America because to the Kung Flu Infotainment Panic-Fest on the TV and her phone. They both went back (5K a piece) and did the quarantine … buh, bye.

    I appreciate your honesty this time, Mr. Roberts. “I dunno” is honest, and I’ll honestly say that my source’s speculation on the why of the matter makes me go “I dunno”. The story was that the Chinese Gov. is trying to keep dollars in the country. Why would that be, I asked, because I thought they were trying to get rid of all the dollars they were accumulating in Treasuries and what-have-you?

    Do you ever wonder if your “I dunno” on this detail might carry over to not knowing all the motivations of the Chinese government in other matters, rather than “China! Good!” It’s always a question of stupidity versus evil, and I ask the same about the motivations of the high-ups in the US Gov. too. A big difference is I personally can remember a time when the US Gov. was still somewhat under the reins of the American people and the Constitution they had drawn up. In China, nobody’s greatX100 grandfather could remember that, because it never happened.

    .

    * See Peak Stupidity‘s humorous post Mr. Confucius, are you, or have you ever been, a Communist?.

    “Confucius say “man who follow Renin, I imagine soon have no possession.”

  295. @Nurhachi

    Charlie Baker is a Republican?

    Debatable depending on whom you ask, lolz

  296. YoYo says:

    Lockdown State#3: Massachusetts (another Democrat Governor, Charlie Baker)

    Baker is a Republican.

    Not posting this to disagree with the article. But getting simple facts incorrect can sway credibility.

  297. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Not just USA but much of world tricked except maybe China which was under attack and responded quickly.

    Your 2 decent responses tell me you understand the situation is an operation but are a willing defender.

    Godfrey agrees with your response because the US is attacking China.

    For Trump, just campaign politics. The Secret State is serious.

  298. JDTrader says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Ummm…while I agree that you can’t compare Sweden with NY or NJ or Mass…including the made-up numbers from China doesn’t help your argument.

    Here are a few numbers that do matter:
    Population Density:
    New York State – 421 people/sq mile = 32,322 deaths
    NY City – 26,403 people/sq mile =22,970 deaths
    NJ State – 1211 people/sq mile = 15,804 deaths
    Mass State – 884.9/sq mile =8536 deaths
    Boston – 13,841/sq mile =1048/deaths

    Look at the numbers in those locations and you can see the correlation

    Sweden – 64 people/sq mile = 5692 deaths
    Comparable State = Minnesota 68.1 people/sq mile = 1616 deaths

    So if you look at where the virus has and is hitting the hardest, it is in those areas with the densest populations.
    The problems with this whole discussion:
    No one knows what “science” is correct and what is actually effective across the board in preventing spread. Some things are obvious but if they are not applied universally then it doesn’t matter what you do.

    Are the numbers accurate – most likely not for many reasons.

    Comparing Sweden – a country that is much smaller in size and population to the US, makes certain assumptions that are untenable for the US.

    The problem we are having here in the US is the lack of a national response so I do give Sweden kudos. The US curve could have looked more like Sweden if we had a national response and not passed the policy and decision making to the states. Lack of leadership = lack of policy = prolonged pandemic.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  299. Mr. Anon says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    In my previous post I wrote “You are just lying”. That was uncalled for. I believe your statements were wrong, but it was unfair to accuse you of lying. My apologies.

  300. Doly says:

    Several common misunderstandings about Sweden that this author does nothing to clarify:

    1. Sweden did not “do nothing” about the virus. They imposed several social distancing restrictions, and enforced it. Plus, the Swedes generally did as they were told, and continue doing it.
    2. We don’t know for sure if what we are seeing here is herd immunity, or something else. It could be the level of herd immunity that will hold as long as the Swedes continue social distancing as told. It could be that they would have more cases if they start behaving more normally.
    3. Sweden’s economy is definitely not the least harmed of Europe. Denmark is clearly less harmed. They did an early lockdown, then eliminated measures early because their curve never went very high.
    4. Sweden has a very high proportion of people living on their own. This helps limit the spread of any virus. It’s quite likely that another country that followed exactly the steps of Sweden, would have more cases.

    Sure, there is a good discussion to be had about what is the ideal level of restrictions for any given country, state or locality. But jumping to the conclusion that no restrictions is the way to go, ignores the fact that in several places where there were no restrictions because they weren’t aware of the virus (China and Italy, for example), the hospitals were badly overwhelmed and risked a complete meltdown of their hospital system.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  301. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    You want numbers.
    You need numbers.
    I got all kinds of numbers.
    Numbers for any occasion, any reason.
    Price we can negotiate.

  302. @Doly

    Nothing but conjecture RE Sweden. Everyone who bought into the Covid hysteria and narrative, is going balls out to villify them FOR their success to save face, and keep the madness going nothing more, when they should be applauded!

  303. @JasonT

    And why should people believe the graph you link rather than the one Whitney linked?

    Because it is backed by daily data.

    • Replies: @JasonT
  304. map says:
    @Mike Whitney

    And if everyone went on hydroxychloroquine, zinc and z-pak, there would be almost no deaths at all
    .

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

    Dr. Fauci is lying when he says there is no evidence that hydroxycholoroquine does work.
    HIS OWN NIH PUBLISHED THIS STUDY IN 2005.

    So…was Dr. Fauci lying then or is he lying now?

    We are dealing with a Lysenkoist medical system that is actively causing a death toll just to remove an American president.

    • Agree: Alfred
  305. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Charlie Baker is a Republican.

    • Replies: @anon
  306. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Charlie Baker is a Republican.

    Maybe yes, maybe no. Depends.

    From Yidwiki, 2010, Massachusetts gubernatorial campaign:

    Baker ran as a social liberal (in favor of gay marriage and abortion rights) and a fiscal conservative, stressing job creation as his primary focus.[37][38] He reinforced his socially liberal position by selecting as his running mate Richard Tisei, an openly gay Republican who had supported same-sex marriage legalization efforts in Massachusetts.[42] Baker’s campaign centered on “Baker’s Dozen,” a plan outlining 13 areas of state government reform, which included consolidation of government, welfare reform, and restructuring of public employee pension and retirement benefits that Baker claimed would lower state expenditures by over $1 billion.[43] A former member of the Massachusetts Board of Education, Baker advocated more charter, magnet, and alternative schools. Believing that education is a “civil right,” he also aimed to close the educational achievement gap among underprivileged and minority students

  307. Herald says:
    @Sparkon

    Ludicrous nonsense. You trolls are getting so desperate.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  308. JasonT says:
    @Olivier1973

    Can you even read a graph? Whitney’s graph shows daily data in each bar.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  309. aandrews says:

    Things heat up around the great mask debate.

  310. @Just-a-Saying

    “From the statistical perspective we can summarize that Sweden is NOT run by a bunch of as****les.”

    While I agree that Sweden has handled C19 correctly I strongly disagree that it shows Sweden is not run by as****les.

    Sweden was the country that enabled the UK and JSA to torture Jullian Assange to death.

    Sweden also coöperated with the JSA in illegal torture rendition flights.

    Sweden is most certainly run by as****les. OK, to be more precise it is run by as****lettes, but as****lettes are just a sub-set of the class of as****les and are still members of the class, ergo Sweden IS run by as****les.

  311. @Larry Romanoff

    “It wasn’t your fault.”

    I have to disagree with that. JSAians are, in the main, self-centred scum. They overwhelmingly supported Bush’s(Bush the lesser) criminal attack on Iraq.

    JSAians all know that they personally benefit from the JSA’s forcing of the US$ on the world. Gadafi was going to(or maybe had, dunno) move away from the US$, so he was murdered, and the country destroyed. JSAians did not disapprove. “We came, we saw, he died. Cackle” and then they voted for her.

    Yes, it was your fault. JSAians need to stop watching thug-ball sports and start thinking*.

    * Of something other than their own short-term benefit.

  312. bujuma says:

    Good article.
    I wonder if they would have had far fewer deaths if they had known about the HCl/Zinc treatment, and used it in the early onset of symptoms.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  313. @JDTrader

    “So if you look at where the virus has and is hitting the hardest, it is in those areas with the densest populations.”

    Absolute rubbish, just like most of the rest of your comment. Maybe you haven’t been to Hong Kong or Singapore but there’s this thing they call the internet where you can find out stuff without actually going to a place. You should try it sometime.

    • Agree: Alfred
  314. Antibody Study Reveals No Sign of Herd Immunity in Sweden

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/202005211079371558-antibody-study-reveals-no-sign-of-herd-immunity-in-sweden/

    The Swedish National Health Authority did a large study on COVID-19 immunity and has now released the results.

    “Despite Swedish health officials and scientists placing their bets on herd immunity, merely 7.3 percent of Stockholmers, residents of the city most hit by COVID-19 in the entire country, appear to have developed antibodies. Stockholm appeared to have the largest percentage of positive antibody tests at 7.3 percent, almost twice as high as 4.2 percent in Skåne County and 3.7 percent in Västra Götaland County, which are home to the country’s third and second-largest cities, Malmö and Gothenburg, respectively.”

    Sweden’s state immunologist, Anders Tegnell, simply denied the facts, saying “We are somewhere at 20 percent plus”, then suddenly and firmly distanced himself from his own prior vehement support for the search for, and the benefits of, herd immunity, stating that only a vaccine can provide the answer.

    • Replies: @Jtgw
  315. ***IMPORTANT***

    I found the original source for BBC-graph used by Mike Whitney headlining this story.
    HERE in detail with up-to-date-LIVE info from the *Swedish National Intensive Care Register* :

    Excerpt from the complete information page posted by SVT-Swedish National Television:
    Link with Bing Translator-
    https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.svt.se%2Fdatajournalistik%2Fcorona-i-intensivvarden%2F
    Original link-
    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/corona-i-intensivvarden/

    “Corona [patients] in Intensive Care [Units in All of Sweden]”

    “Here you can follow the development of patients who have so far been cared for in intensive care units with Covid-19 due to the coronavirus. All figures are taken from the Swedish Intensive Care Register but have been compiled by SVT. Only the figure in the top card shows the current situation – the others do not show how many are currently under intensive care – but how many have so far been enrolled for intensive care due to Covid-19…”

    By using the Bing Translator you can maneuver around the page-site and get all types of detailed info!
    It’s really good place to ‘answer all types of questions’ you may have.
    Just ‘click’ and find.
    🙂

    AND

    Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s State Epidemiologist & national coordinator against covid19 said yesterday that he still hasn’t seen conclusive evidence that *masks* should be required by the general public!

    “…Without knowing exactly what the ECDC researcher is based on his statement, state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell believes that support for mouth guards is still not enough.
    “Now there is no support at all, as I see it, what you want is practical experience from countries that have used mouthguards. There are a lot of complications and you want to know if they (the mouthguards, reds. note) can still have an effect,” he says.
    If more and more people point out that the spread of infection is taking place in public places rather than at home, the authority will of course consider a oral protection recommendation, Tegnell said.
    “But in the situation we are in now, with a positive development, it will be strange to add more measures. They want to stay and be able to use if it turns around.”

    From the SVT-article *ECDC-forskare: Allt Mer Belägg för Munskydd* .
    Original link-
    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/ecdc-forskare-fler-och-fler-bevis-for-munskydd

    Hope this helps everyone trying to find ‘original sources’.
    X-
    link: https://www.bing.com/translator

  316. @Swedish Family

    Why would you even engage with this commenter? Has it not occurred to you that he is entirely out of his depth and has nothing to offer but baseless insults?

    Just ignore him from here on.

  317. @VinnyVette

    Why would you even engage with this commenter? Do you not realize that he is not worth your time?

  318. ^^Looks like Larry likes using old news i.e. the 21st of May for his argumentation. ^^

    Here is more up-to-date, in English, from 5 days ago:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/24/sweden-catches-first-glimpse-of-herd-immunity-381117

    The ORIGINAL *claimed*-link in the Politico article, I’ve translated for you all.
    It’s from *Dagens Nytheter* 17th July.
    2 months difference compared to Larry’s.

    But, 1st…
    The latest up-to-date statistics for antibodies-test results!
    From FHM-Folkhälsomyndigheten / Public Health Agency of Sweden.
    Sorry only available in Swedish:
    https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/genomforda-tester-for-covid-19/

    >>>
    Translation of *Dagens Nytheter* 17th July “FHM: Stockholm kan ha 40 procents immunitet” below:
    https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/fhm-stockholm-kan-ha-40-procents-immunitet/
    https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fsverige%2Ffhm-stockholm-kan-ha-40-procents-immunitet%2F

    FHM: Stockholm may have 40 percent immunity
    Updated 2020-07-17 Published 2020-07-16
    by Olle Bengtsson

    “Immunity to covid-19 can be as high as 40 percent in Stockholm.
    “There is a lot to suggest that this is the case,” says Johan Carlson, Director General of the Swedish Public Health Agency.

    Corona’s situation in Sweden continues to improve. The number of serious cases of covid-19, the number of deaths per day and the number of patients intensive care continues to steadily decline. On Friday, 26 new deaths were reported in the country, and a total of 5,619 people have now died in Sweden as a result of the disease.

    With the reduction in the spread of infection, the question arises as to how much immunity there is among the population. According to Johan Carlson, Director General of the Swedish Public Health Agency, the proportion of people with antibodies in Stockholm may be between 17.5 and 20 percent, and studies on the effect of T cells on immunity suggest that this proportion may be equal. In the rest of the country, it is generally less than half.

    “It’s obviously very positive. This gives quite high immunity values, where we may have up to 40% immunity in Stockholm, which is important in order to slow down the rate of spread. There is a lot to suggest that this is the case,” says Johan Carlson.

    Previous calculations from, among others, Tom Britton, professor of mathematics at Stockholm University, have shown that herd immunity can be achieved as early as 40-45 percent. Ever since the outbreak of the coronavirus in Sweden, state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has objected to the fact that herd immunity is the strategy, even if it is something that the country may reach in the long term.

    Petter Brodin, immunologist at Karolinska Institutet, is optimistic about the situation in Sweden. But whether Stockholm has achieved a herd immunity, it is not possible to answer at present.

    “If you know how T cells work, you know that all people have T cells against several different things, it’s hard to draw conclusions whether you have had the infection or not,” says Petter Brodin.

    What he has seen so far from the virus is that it behaved as expected.

    “There is no doubt that we are seeing a reduction in the spread of infection, that data is very solid. Something drives it down, but it does not quite match the antibody levels in society.

    Doesn’t that speak for greater immunity?

    “The restrictions have been quite constant, with a greater relaxation among people in recent times. Yet we do not see a clear increase. I don’t really believe this with the fact that the virus doesn’t thrive in the heat, and that leaves immunity as the likely mechanism,” says Petter Brodin.

    Questions about the duration of immunity have also flared up after a large Spanish study showed that antibodies to the new corona virus decrease in number already after 20-30 days. Meanwhile, another study, published in the journal Nature,has shown that the body’s T cells seem to provide an immunity to the corona virus that lasts for many years after measurements in humans infected by the SARS-COV virus in 2003.

    The Public Health Agency currently assumes that the immunity of covid-19 lasts for six months. The authority has no plans to change these guidelines despite the new studies, Carlson says.

    “To detect antibodies in a laboratory is not quite the same as being immune, it’s an indicator of that, you could say. Immunity can only really be measured if you are exposed to the virus again. That is why we are keeping it too unlikely that it would be as few days as these studies say, because then we would see people being reinfected all the time. But as time passes, you may have to extend it.

    Correction: The virus that people were infected by in 2003 should be the sars-cov virus.
    Fact: Herd immunity

    If a sufficient proportion of a population becomes vaccinated or becomes immune by having had the disease, so-called herd immunity arises.

    If the vast majority of people are immune to a particular disease, the spread of infection is made more difficult because the number of susceptible individuals is small. An epidemic will then become unlikely.

    The proportion of the population that needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity varies between different diseases from 80% to 95%.”

    Hope this helps.
    X-
    https://www.bing.com/translator

    • Replies: @Alfred
  319. Alfred says:
    @slorter

    Australia is merely delaying the virus. Herd immunity will eventually arrive. A ruined economy and a police state is already here.

    A woman who posted a video of herself breaching coronavirus restrictions has been arrested by police, who broke her car window after she refused to cooperate for a second time.

  320. According to the Swedish newspaper DN-Dagens Nyheter, dated the 17th of July 2020, Stockholm can have as high as 40% herd immunity:

    “FHM: Stockholm may have 40 percent immunity
    Updated 2020-07-17 Published 2020-07-16
    by Olle Bengtsson

    “Immunity to covid-19 can be as high as 40 percent in Stockholm.
    “There is a lot to suggest that this is the case,” says Johan Carlson, Director General of the Swedish Public Health Agency.

    Corona’s situation in Sweden continues to improve. The number of serious cases of covid-19, the number of deaths per day and the number of patients intensive care continues to steadily decline. On Friday, 26 new deaths were reported in the country, and a total of 5,619 people have now died in Sweden as a result of the disease.
    With the reduction in the spread of infection, the question arises as to how much immunity there is among the population. According to Johan Carlson, Director General of the Swedish Public Health Agency, the proportion of people with antibodies in Stockholm may be between 17.5 and 20 percent, and studies on the effect of T cells on immunity suggest that this proportion may be equal. In the rest of the country, it is generally less than half.
    “It’s obviously very positive. This gives quite high immunity values, where we may have up to 40% immunity ….”
    https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fsverige%2Ffhm-stockholm-kan-ha-40-procents-immunitet%2F

    Politico used the DN-story as a source 5 days ago:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/24/sweden-catches-first-glimpse-of-herd-immunity-381117

    The latest up-to-date statistics for antibodies-test results in Sweden, registered by the *FHM-Folkhälsomyndigheten / Public Health Agency of Sweden* can be found here:
    https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/genomforda-tester-for-covid-19/
    Sorry. It’s only available in Swedish.

    Hope this helps.
    X-
    Try https://www.bing.com/translator

  321. Sparkon says:
    @Herald

    Ad hominem attacks are a familiar tactic for those on the opposite side from the facts.

    Your comment contained not a single fact or argument, and was nothing but hot air and name calling.

    The case from Springfield, Missouri, USA is slam dunk proof that masks work.

    Address that, or be still.

    In plain language, put up or shut up.

  322. @Sparkon

    I notice you didn’t bother to provide a link … so your slam-dunk case is probably not!

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  323. Sparkon says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    I know it may be beyond your pay grade, but if you’d bother to follow the conversation, the link was in my original comment # 176.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/sweden-the-one-chart-that-matters/#comment-4059432

    So much for your ability to notice anything.

    Or does someone pay you to come in here and throw chaff?

  324. Herald says:
    @Sparkon

    The case from Springfield, Missouri, USA is slam dunk proof that masks work.

    Your “slam dunk proof” amounts to an anecdote that masks work because a hairdresser in Missouri says so. I can’t begin to tell you just how poor that is, so I won’t bother. You should not expect rational minds to take such junk seriously. For the purposes of your much needed education, I will provide you with a link to the gold standard science in regard to masks and the transmission of airborne virus, outside of healthcare settings. This paper was published by the CDC on 5 May 2020 and you need to study it carefully.

    “Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures.” https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

    This is real science and briefly it will tell you, in no uncertain terms, that masks do not provide any measureable benefit in regard to the transmission of influenza and of course, influenza is transmitted in exactly the same way as the dreaded Covid-19. So now you know.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  325. Sparkon says:
    @Herald

    The CDC says a lot of things, including this on July 14, 2020:

    In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.

    “We are not defenseless against COVID-19,” said CDC Director Dr. Robert R. Redfield. “Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus – particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities.”

    This review included two case studies out today, one from JAMA, showing that adherence to universal masking policies reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission within a Boston hospital system, and one from CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), showing that wearing a mask prevented the spread of infection from two hair stylists to their customers in Missouri.

    [my bold]

    CDC calls on Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread
    JAMA editorial reviews latest science, while case study shows masks prevented COVID spread

    In addition to the CDC, the WHO, Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, UCSF, UCSD, the American Lung Assoc., among others, now recommend wearing a cloth face mask to help stem the spread of COVID-19, just as I’ve maintained from the beginning. Please see my recent comment:

    https://www.unz.com/mmalkin/mask-mandates-are-a-public-health-menace/#comment-4050520

    So it is a slam dunk, and it’s right in your face.

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Herald
  326. @JasonT

    Can you? I am very pleased if you can. So please tell me how many deaths were recorded on the 2020-04-21 reading Whitney’s graph.

    I will be waiting.

    • Replies: @JasonT
  327. Jtgw says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    That was back in May. Now cases and deaths are flatlining there. When will you admit defeat?

  328. @Herald

    You are wasting your time arguing with a moron.

  329. Whitney should be more careful with his words.
    ” probably only 1 in every 7 people will contract the virus regardless of their exposure.”
    So if my family has zero exposure, one of us will probably still contract it? This is nonsense.

    “did nothing to staunch the spread of the infection” That would be “stanch”.

  330. @bujuma

    Hydrogen chloride! Hahaha. Do NOT try this!

  331. Wally says:
    @Chinaman

    – Ah yes, you ignore the death rates in which the US is quite low.
    – You ignorantly talk of “cases” which of course will show up due to the fact that the US leads the world in testing, by far.
    – As to be expected you ignore the increasing rate of false and fake diagnosis.
    recommended:

    Big Holes in the Covid ‘Spike’ Narrative, by Ron Paul: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/ron-paul/big-holes-in-the-covid-spike-narrative/
    SCIENCE FRAUD: Florida Gov. DeSantis calls for investigation into why people are testing “positive” for coronavirus tests they never received: https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-07-24-desantis-investigation-people-testing-positive-coronavirus-never-tested.html
    Gov. DeSantis Calls for Investigation as Those Not Tested for Coronavirus Receive Positive Results
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/21/gov-desantis-calls-for-investigation-as-those-not-tested-for-coronavirus-receive-positive-results/#
    False CV19 deaths to raise stats / Gunshot To Head, Parkinson’s Disease, Deaths In Palm Beach Incorrectly Attributed To COVID-19: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gunshot-head-parkinsons-disease-deaths-palm-beach-incorrectly-attributed-covid-19
    The Great Corona Con: Exposing Journalistic Malpractice: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/vasko-kohlmayer/the-great-corona-con-exposing-journalistic-malpractice/
    President Trump’s Handling of The Virus Was Not a Failure
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/president_trumps_handling_of_the_virus_was_not_a_failure.html

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Thanks: Ivan
  332. Alfred says:
    @Veritas X-

    If a sufficient proportion of a population becomes vaccinated or becomes immune by having had the disease, so-called herd immunity arises.

    You totally misunderstand how herd-immunity works. When the most active 10-20% of the population are immune, the infections stops spreading. Pretending that we all breath the air the infectious exhale is a total nonsense. We might well breath the air exhaled by others who had been infected – but that is perfectly safe. It has always been like that. Nothing new.

    Please think about it and don’t write drivel. Thank you.

    BTW, by the time they have their fake vaccine, the virus will have mutated or we will already have herd-immunity. It has everything to do with controlling society and absolutely nothing to do with public health.

    The Elitists are Risking their Lives to Maintain Lockdowns

    • Replies: @Veritas X-
    , @Veritas X-
  333. Alfred says:

    Fraud (from 14th century Latin) n – deceit, trickery, intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender legal rights: and art of deceiving or misrepresenting; imposter, cheat, one who is not who that person pretends to be: something that is not what it appears to be

    Hoax (probable contraction of hocus, circa 1796) n – an act intended to trick or dupe: something accepted or established by fraud or fabrication; v – to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous

    Swindle (from Old English, coined circa 1782, “to vanish”) v – to take money or property by fraud or deceit.

    When lockdown was imposed, we were told we were facing a second Spanish flu pandemic (thought to have killed up to 50 million people); that hospitals would be overrun and there would be 500,000 deaths in the UK alone. This was a powerful and emotive narrative, but it was never true4. Governments and an obedient media focused exclusively on Imperial College’s now discredited doomsday scenario built on a hypothetical, badly coded model5, ignoring its author’s history of failed doomsday predictions6 and the different views of other scientists.

    ‘The biggest fraud: Part 1 – The hocus “science” behind lockdown’

    • Thanks: Veritas X-
  334. Emslander says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    You watch your president tell hundreds of the most outrageous lies and fail at everything while attacking half of the world for no reason, and half of you want to vote for him again.

    So, the alternative is vote for Biden? Not a chance.

  335. @Alfred

    Hi Alfred.
    What you read in quotation marks is NOT me.
    I used Bing Translator on a *DN-Dagens Nyheter* article written by Olle Bengtsson.
    At the end of the Olle Bengtsson article, the Editors at *DN-Dagens Nyheter* use the following ‘Fact Check Box’:

    >>
    Fakta: Flockimmunitet

    Om en tillräckligt stor andel av en befolkning blir vaccinerad eller blir immun genom att ha haft sjukdomen uppkommer så kallad flockimmunitet.

    Om det stora flertalet personer är immuna mot en viss sjukdom försvåras smittans spridning eftersom antalet mottagliga individer är litet. En epidemi blir då osannolik.

    Hur stor andel av befolkningen som behöver vara vaccinerad för att flockimmunitet ska uppstå varierar mellan olika sjukdomar från 80 till 95 procent.
    <>
    Fact: Herd immunity

    If a sufficient proportion of a population becomes vaccinated or becomes immune by having had the disease, so-called herd immunity arises.

    If the vast majority of people are immune to a particular disease, the spread of infection is made more difficult because the number of susceptible individuals is small. An epidemic will then become unlikely.

    The proportion of the population that needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity varies between different diseases from 80% to 95%.
    <<

    Thank You for pointing out the BS from *DN-Dagens Nyheter*.
    *DN-Dagens Nyheter* is owned by the (((Bonnier Family))) and it's head editor is a (((son-of-a-pollack))) who in his 20's got a 1 year stipendium to Harvard and after that 'miraculously' got the top job directly afterwards.
    Yeah. (((they))) always try to dupe the goyim.
    Even here in Sweden.

    Good Call!
    Definitely important to get-it-right.
    Absolutely no hard feelings whatsoever.
    Best Regards X-

    • Replies: @Alfred
  336. R2b says:
    @JasonT

    21/4, 101 persons in Swdeden died, allegedly, from cv19.

    Mr Whitney has a graph, purportedly from Folkhälsomyndigheten, through BBC!
    It does not show what it says!
    It looks more like the one from SCB, Statistiska CentralByrån, which shows All Deaths per day.
    On BBC they have like cut away the bottom from that one.

    The BBC-graph showing for 8, 15, 16/4 figures up to 115-120, is a lie.
    Those 3 days, 62, 76 and 78 persons died allegedly from cv19.
    There was never moore than 102 that died in one day, and that was 24/4.
    On average 54 people a day has died from cv19, between 16/3-9/6.

    Go to ”covid19 in Sweden”, there’s the correct graph.

    2018 overall deaths in Sweden, between 1/1-9/6, was 45282.
    2020 overall deaths in Sweden, between 1/1-9/6, was 45118.
    Figures that says it all!

    The date 9/6 is chosen for pretty good statistical certainty.

    These facts are not diminishing the otherwise very good article, which has a sound view on the matter.

  337. @Alfred

    I tried 2 times to ‘insert’ in between the English and Swedish texts “Bing Translator gives the following translation” at the 2 *arrow points facing one another*.
    OK?
    X-

  338. Alfred says:
    @Veritas X-

    My apologies Veritas-X

    Tack så mycket 🙂

    My Swedish friends used to take me to this place for breakfast.

    After a night at this place. But I am sure it has all changed now.

    Café Opera

    But my favourite was Kristall.

  339. TRM says:

    In the “Resistance is NOT futile” category I stumbled across this one:

    https://www.citizensforfreespeech.org/how_to_use_the_cffs_no_mask_card

    Print it off and hand it out to everyone who demands you wear a mask. Basically you are fighting fire with fire. You claim that you can’t wear a mask for health reasons. You do NOT have to disclose your health reasons. They are liable if they refuse you service.

    Now I won’t be engaging in any lawsuits but they don’t know that.

  340. Herald says:
    @Sparkon

    I have kindly directed you the gold standard paper on masks, but somehow gold isn’t enough for you and almost unbelievably you still cite junk paid for “science”. There is nothing more to say, other than that, you are, as Peripatetic Commentator has advised, a moron. Please do us all a favour and go drown yourself or better still volunteer for Bill Gates’s vaccine trials, isn’t that what morons do?

  341. Sparkon says:

    Please do us all a favour and go drown yourself

    Harboring that kind of hateful energy will lead to health problems. Seek help and change your ways before it’s too late.

    Your so-called gold standard paper on masks has already been trumped by real-world results.

    Despite what Xiao et al claimed in their 5/20/2020 influenza paper, real-world experience with the coronavirus proves that face masks are an effective barrier against COVID-19’s transmission. That’s why the CDC and a host of other scientific organizations now recommend cloth face coverings to stem the spread of COVID-19.

    Obviously, the Xiao, Shui et al paper does not apply to COVID-19, or is flawed in some other way because face masks do prevent the spread of COVID-19.

    Calling me names and making hateful comments doesn’t change that, but it does make you look like a fanatic.

  342. anon[641] • Disclaimer says:

    You straight up fucking lying. Sweden had one of the highest death rates in the world compared to their population.

  343. Alfred says:

    You straight up fucking lying. Sweden had one of the highest death rates in the world compared to their population.

    You are a scumbag of a liar who has no data to present. Here are the mortality statistics for Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and England. The data is from EuroMOMO.

    Guess who had the tightest fake quarantines?

    With deaths down to or even below normal, is it not time to call off the whole charade? If it is not being called off, it is because politicians are being bribed or blackmailed worldwide.

  344. MAK says:
    @Paul Lacques

    “remarkable China approach.” If you believe China’s claimed number of 4700 deaths, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.

    Add at least two zeroes to their claimed numbers and you’re likely on track to the truth.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  345. @JasonT

    Too bad, the following site gives 185.

    https://coronavirus.politologue.com/coronavirus-suede.SE

    Now if someone wants to compare the different countries, it is necessary to consider the number of deaths for 1 million people.

    Here are the data:

    1. Belgium
    2. UK
    3. Spain
    4. Peru
    5. Italy
    6. Sweden

    9. France

    Difference between Sweden and France: 120/1 million.

    Thus with its lockdown France avoided some 8’000 deaths. More if the Frenchmen are as irresponsible as the Belgians.

    Source:

    https://coronavirus.politologue.com/million-habitants/

    • Replies: @Alfred
  346. Alfred says:
    @Olivier1973

    Thus with its lockdown France avoided some 8’000 deaths. More if the Frenchmen are as irresponsible as the Belgians

    Here are the deaths per capita for France. Not much different from Sweden. Of course, the French economy has been devastated. That will lead to more social unrest and suicides a bit later. The article below proves that the manufactured and purposeful hysteria is alive and well in France. The Swedes never had any hysteria. 🙂

    France cases rise by 54% in a week; Germany labels three Spanish regions high-risk

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  347. @MAK

    Add at least two zeroes to their claimed numbers and you’re likely on track to the truth.

    You are deeply mistakent. It is necessary to add 4 zeroes.

  348. @Alfred

    That will lead to more social unrest and suicides a bit later. The article below proves that the manufactured and purposeful hysteria is alive and well in France.

    Did you read what you wrote? I think you didn’t. The only hysteria is the one of people who do not care about the epidemy and pretend that the epidemy is manufactured. Likely it was manufactured at its origin, but now it is backfiring. Just fine.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    • LOL: Alfred
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  349. @Olivier1973

    If you were not hysterical about the matter, you would not be so worried about what people who don’t care about the Kung Flu hysteria think to begin with. Why not just let us “hoaxers” die off… from, like, the 2nd round of the Black Plague… hahaa! Hell, I still don’t know ONE SOUL who has died from this thing, not one!

    I will quote unz-commenter Digital Samizdat yet again, as this is my favorite: If this were the Black Plague, we wouldn’t be spending months discussing whether this is the black plague or not.

    • LOL: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Olivier1973
  350. Alfred says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If this were the Black Plague, we wouldn’t be spending months discussing whether this is the black plague or not.

    Yes, indeed.

    If this was a serious matter, we would not need a PCR test to tell us whether someone is sick or not.

    The whole thing is laughable. Beyond the ridiculous.

    As for the case of France, here is what a financial report by Martin Armstrong says:

    France’s economy shrank by nearly 14% in the second quarter when the country was in coronavirus-related lockdown, a third consecutive quarter of negative growth in a worsening recession, the national statistics agency said on July 31. The startling plunge of 13.8% from April-June starkly illustrated the punishing economic cost of the two-month lockdown. The pain was so damaging to jobs and industries that the government is talking down the possibility of another nationwide lockdown as infections tick upward again.

    This means that not only did the Nazi-like lockdowns not work, but their economy is fucked as well. France is hugely reliant on tourism and services. All of this in order to get the “Yellow Vests” off the streets. Merci Monsieur Macron – espèce de con!

    Coronavirus cluster in western France pits youth against authorities preaching caution

    • LOL: Olivier1973
  351. It all becomes irrelevant on November 4!

    Prove me wrong!

  352. Switzerland and Sweden might have the same GDP in 2020 even though switzerland had a monthlong partial lockdown and Sweden didn’t. Sweden might have a 6% GDP loss at the end of 2020 and Switzerland maybe 7 %.

    https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/06/01/na060120-sweden-will-covid-19-economics-be-different

    Switzerland is by and large back at work and the schools are open too.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Olivier1973
  353. vot tak says:

    ‘Murder or suicide’: Trump faces immediate backlash for Tulsa rally after Herman Cain dies of COVID

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/or-trump-faces-immediate-backlash-for-tulsa-rally-after-herman-cain-dies-of/

    “President Donald Trump felt immediate backlash on Thursday after a former Republican presidential candidate who attended his Tulsa campaign rally died from COVID-19.

    Representatives for Herman Cain confirmed that the 74-year-old former GOP candidate died this week from complications due to COVID-19. Cain was thought to have contracted the disease while attending Trump’s recent rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.”

    • LOL: Alfred
  354. The message from many New Jersey school boards to children:
    You are sick, disgusting, germy, filthy, dirty, little, slimeballs that could end up killing your family. Wear a mask because you are such disgusting little verminous creatures.

    What will haapen if the children still get sick? How will this be explained that wearing masks is effective. If they do feel sick, will they be too terrified to tell anyone, including their parents? What if they run away out of sheer terror of being conatagious enough to kill people, or commit suicide because of it?

    When they find out that this was all a psy-op, which they definitely will, how will the parents and teachers explain themselves, as well as the governments? They will end up hating their parents, pretty sure that that is part of the plan. The psychopaths rely on sowing the seeds of distrust within families, so that it is easier for them to sink their claws and fangs into their victims.  

    They know full well that their own chlidren have the same mentally deficient mutant genes that they do!

  355. Alfred says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Switzerland is by and large back at work and the schools are open too.

    I think this suggests that locking down changes very little. We should all know by now that an airborne virus is not prevented by masks – certainly not by the masks people are actually wearing and by the way they wear them.

    The photo below from the “Kiev Post” is actually trying to encourage people to wear masks and they put this photo as a demonstration of how popular it is in Kiev’s busiest street

    A woman wearing a protective mask walks along Kyiv’s main Khreshchatyk Street on July 18, 2020.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  356. @TheTrumanShow

    “That’s because, to date, there is no singular, isolated and identified caronavirus – just the fear-for-all caronavirus-control-psyop, which may well never be eradicated.”

    Your quote!

    If you’re going to troll people over spelling and grammatical errors, you should probably check your own work!
    It’s “CORONA” not Carona. It’s also CORONA VIRUS, Not coronavirus! Two words.
    You want people to take you seriously don’t you?

  357. @Alfred

    Yep! The fashionistas are pushing this is as a fashion statement. Now with the idiots Fauci and Berx pushing “goggles”, a designer mask with Elton John jumbo sunglasses is now “the in shit.”
    Of course the dumb bitches eat this shit up!
    Mind you, these dumb bitches are the same white, self loathing Karen’s screeching BLM bullshit at the top of their obnoxious lungs.
    Sad, pathetic, is it any wonder how this sorry state of affairs came to pass?

  358. @Joey Pastrami

    Naw man! It was made with love! Wear it with pride! Lmao!

  359. @Dieter Kief

    Switzerland is by and large back at work and the schools are open too.

    Sure, schools are open during the Summer holidays.

    even though switzerland had a monthlong partial lockdown

    Schools in Switzerland were closed from 16 March and reopened for the 11 May. That is two months not one. And only for children up to 15 yo. Above that age, schools did not reopen until the Summer holidays. The year was validated according to the results before the lockdown. Courses were held through internet. The border was closed until June.

    The schools were reopened in May to let the parents resume work.

    Huge difference between French and German Switzerland. Geneva is again a hotspot.

    Switzerland: 223 deaths/million inhabitants
    Sweden: 564

    That is 2.4x.

  360. @Achmed E. Newman

    Hell, I still don’t know ONE SOUL who has died from this thing, not one!

    Is it supposed to be an argument? Never read something so stupid. What you don’t know doesn’t exist. Point noted.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  361. And where is the article by the same author on Emma Goldman? Censured?

    Describing this anarchist as a boshevik only shows that the author is politically uneducated.

  362. Study: Common Cold Viruses May Protect Against COVID-19

    BERLIN — The answer to why some cases of COVID-19 are worse than others is the subject of intense research efforts. A new study aims to address this issue after finding that more than one-third of people who were never exposed to the virus possess immune cells capable of recognizing SARS-CoV-2. Scientists suggest that these cells could be the result of prior infection with other “common cold” viruses.

  363. David658 says:
    @Paul Lacques

    Brazil did not follow a herd immunity approach. That’s what Bolsanaro tried to get Brazil to follow, but the state governors wouldn’t listen.

    And why should we follow China’s approach? All China is doing is underexaggerating their death toll by a level of at least 100, and then pretending their Negro population is causing a resurgence of the virus whenever it becomes too obvious that their pandemic isn’t going away.

  364. Those crazy Swedes are at it again!

    ‘We see no point in wearing a face mask,’ Sweden’s top virus expert says as he touts the country’s improving COVID numbers

    “That Sweden has come down to these levels is very promising,” state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told reporters in Stockholm on Tuesday.

    The Health Agency of Sweden says that since hitting a peak in late June, the infection rate has fallen sharply. That’s amid an increase in testing over the period. “The curves are going down and the curves for the seriously ill are beginning to approach zero,” Tegnell said.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  365. Hidden FDA Doc Explains Why “Liar” Fauci Opposes Hydroxychloroquine, Top Doctors Explain

    A DOCUMENT NO LONGER AVAILABLE FROM THE U.S. FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION REGARDING “EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION” OF POTENTIAL COVID-19 TREATMENTS APPEARS TO SUGGEST THAT HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE SATISFIES THE CRITERIA FOR THE CLASSIFICATION, BUT WOULD STAND IN THE WAY OF LUCRATIVE OTHER DRUGS, AND A VACCINE.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  366. @Olivier1973

    What you don’t know doesn’t exist.

    I never said it doesn’t exist. The fact that I know easily 1,000 people on an acquaintance level, and none of them died from the Kung Flu, and even more significantly, that of maybe 200 people I’ve talked to about it in 6 months, none of them KNOW ANYONE who’s died from it, make it not a threat at the level of the Black Plague.

    We are not ALL hysterical menopausal women in America, no matter what it seems like when you watch the Infotainment sometimes. You knock yourself out with that hysteria shit though. It doesn’t bother me any.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  367. vot tak says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “The fact that I know easily 1,000 people on an acquaintance level,”

    Your websayanim division is that large? Impressive, shlomo. 😀

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  368. @vot tak

    It’s not Black Plague 2.0! Get off the internet, put on a new pair of panties, and get out there into the world.

  369. vot tak says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s typical of websayanim to be interested in another guy’s underwear. 😀

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  370. @vot tak

    I’ve got no idea what a “websayanim” is, chief. Is that some poor Chinese translation, like “capitalist roader”? (We never really got that one.) Spend more money on translation. It’ll be well worth it, believe you me.

  371. @Achmed E. Newman

    Indeed, and it’s not even the 1918 Flu V2.0.

    It will all be forgotten on November 4.

    Then we will have to fight to put people like Killer Cuomo in jail where he belongs.

  372. @Paul Lacques

    Still looking for clinical research for direct evidence of contagiousness of cold and flu viruses, satisfying at least a couple of Koch’s Postulates. The “Spanish Flu” supposed virus has never been proven to exist, with over 1,000 autopsies indicating pneumococcal infections as cause of death.

    How to create a pandemic:
    1.) Stand up a corona death clock counter.
    2.) Provide a monetary incentive for already cash-strapped hospitals to anesthetize and intubate patients onto ventilators (a great majority of which mostly die of barotrauma—assign Covid-19 as cause of death).1
    3.) Test for RNA strands, only suspected of originating from this supposed SARS-CoV-2 virus with no developed gold standard—a virus which has never been isolated or purified, using PCR never intended to be a diagnostic tool which detects indiscriminate corona virus RNA strands.
    4.) Provide a monetary incentive for assigning Covid-19 cause of death (death of and WITH Covid-19) to a fraction of daily deaths in the United States (in the US approximately 7,500 people die everyday). 2,3,4
    5.) Televise it.

    1. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
    2. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53443724
    3. https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results
    4. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
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