One might be forgiven to read Mr. Whitney that Russia has something more than a tiny garrison with a squadron of fighter bombers based at Latakia. Whether Turkey will engage Russian aircraft is a decision that country will have to make but… they have the capability to do so operating more than 200 F-16’s including several dozen of the most advanced Block 50 variants as well as 737 AWAC aircraft.

Also in the neighborhood is the Israeli Air Force with even more advanced aircraft and capabilities. Putin is not out gunning anyone in the region with his small expeditionary force and, while he can bang away at Syrian rebels with his 28 jet ‘armada’, if he has to fight a larger war in the region he is in trouble.

PUTIN’S ANOTHER POSSIBLE ENDGAME IN SYRIA—ENDGAME ISRAEL.

Thanks for the interesting and insightful article, Sir. Thanks for the useful information about the new American base in Turkey.

That would surely up the ante, but, we must remember that the whole US plan to topple Assad is for an ulterior motive—to help Israel expand its land into Syria for a Greater Israel.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

Now that the Zionists have totally subjugated the Gazans, they are turning their attention to Syria to steal more land for a Greater Israel, using the American puppet.

Besides the Geneva convention, Putin’s other option would be to retaliate by threatening to get out of the NPT and other treaties, build Russian bases in Iran and even Syria and arm Iran, Syria, Hezbollah with air power, short range missiles capable of striking Israel and nuclear weapons to target Israel. Once the Zionist masters know that they themselves are at risk, they will stop this nuclear-war-by-proxy tactic that they are heading towards.

Where did the Mig-29 come from? I thought there were only Su- fighters deployed in Syria. Su-24, Su-25 and Su-34 (attack aircraft, CAS bomber and strike fighter/fighter-bomber) and the Su-30 as a multi-role fighter (the variant deployed in Syria is the Su-30SM with thrust vectoring for extreme maneuverability).

Lets get one thing straight the uprising against Assad was in the crucial populated areas with and supported by the majority of the population, that is why it got off the ground against a large army with heavy weapons. The people who might be called jihadi-proxies (Al-Nusra and IS) did not arrive until later and they have never been Assad’s main foe. He fears the original rebels of the Free Syrian Army and the FSA have been the ones he concentrated his military effort on. IS was not founded by the current leader, who was severely injured in a US airstrike in May.

October 5, 2015 at 9:06 pm GMT • 200 Words

Jul 10, 2013 FSA Terrorists behind Aleppo Sarin Gas Attack, not Syrian Army: Russian Inquiry to UN.

More recently, Russia says U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army not a terrorist group. Only 5% of Russian attacks have been on what the Russians say are terrorist groups.

The best known FSA line commander Captain Iyad al-Deek was killed in the first airstrikes by the Russians. This is in line with a pattern of Assad forces concentrating on the FSA. The butcher of Damascus is known to have been attacking the Free Syrian Army and helping Islamic State win key territory from their real enemy, the FSA.

It was the neocons who stopped the US bombing Assad a couple of years ago. Obama wanted to bomb Assad remember? The Israel lobby was opposed because getting into Syria would make an attack on Iran unlikely. If the US does not overthrow Assad or back the people who could overthrow him (ie the free Syrian Army), that shows the US is conforming to what the Israel lobby neocons want. You are backing the Israel / Lobby strategy to keep the Syrian civil war going on, and soon the lobby will blame Iran. Next thing we will be hearing that the way to end the Syrian civil war is to attack Iran. Iran is the primary target of Israel and nothing is going to be allowed to interfere with that.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKBN0OI13D20150602

Islamic State fighters pushed back rival insurgents north of Aleppo on Sunday near the Turkish border, threatening their supply route to the city, fighters and a group monitoring the war said.

Fighters from Levant Front, a northern alliance which includes Western-backed rebels and Islamist fighters, said they were worried Islamic State was heading for the Bab al-Salam crossing between Aleppo and the Turkish province of Kilis.

“Reports indicate that the regime is making air strikes in support of ISIL’s advance on Aleppo, aiding extremists against Syrian population,” a post on the U.S. Embassy Syria Twitter account said late on Monday, using an acronym for Islamic State.

It would be a very risky thing to stage a border incident with Turkey, which is a member of NATO, any trouble with Turkey in their territory would mean fighting Nato. Turkey is already heavily involved in Syria where it is attacking the Kurds (while saying it is fighting IS). The Syrian Kurds are the only Syrian rebel with real backing from the US. Russia likes that, it saves them the trouble of crushing the Kurds

Russia accidently hit Iran with 4 of the cruise missiles they fired at Islamic state the other day, I would not read anything into that or jumpy Russian air defence / planes going astray. Turkey and Russia are both saying they are fighting IS but really liquidating the major rebel forces, which have some support from the CIA.

There was an ex US army officer involved with the vetted US anti IS program in Turkey quoted the other day saying the trainees are signing their own death warrant, because everyone in Syria knows who they are.

Wow are the jihadist proxies?

http://www.businessinsider.in/Putin-is-now-pushing-Assads-darkly-cynical-master-plan-in-Syria/articleshow/48990646.cms

Russian authorities have reportedly been funneling jihadists from the North Caucasus into Syria, which could serve a dual purpose for the Kremlin. While sources told The Daily Beast that this could be a desperate tactic on behalf of security agencies and local authorities that are trying to curb Chechnya’s extremism problem, it doesn’t matter on the ground.

That’s because incidentally or not, the end result is that Moscow gets the benefit of jihadists leaving Russia while the unflux bolsters Assad’s argument that his rebel opposition is full of extremists.

Not always this way
When the Syrian civil war broke out in March 2011, many of the rebels fighting the brutal Assad regime were defectors from the Syrian Arab Army and nationalists who took up arms against Assad’s brutal crackdown. {…] But Assad had also infused the nascent opposition with the seeds of its own destruction, as Michael Weiss and Hassan Hassan explain in the book “ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror”:

On May 31, 2011, only a few months into the uprising, [Assad] issued a general amnesty as part of his package of ‘reforms,’ mostly symbolic gestures aimed at placating the protest movement. In reality, the amnesty was more of a booby trap than a salve.

Although meant to free all of Syria’s ‘political prisoners,’ it was applied selectively – plenty of protestors and activists were kept in jail, while an untold number of Salafist-Jihadists were let out.[..]

Note that in 2013 the Russians accused the FSA of gassing their own supporters in Aleppo.

Tue Jun 2, 2015 U.S. accuses Syria of backing Islamic State’s Aleppo advanceIslamic State fighters pushed back rival insurgents north of Aleppo on Sunday near the Turkish border, threatening their supply route to the city, fighters and a group monitoring the war said.

Fighters from Levant Front, a northern alliance which includes Western-backed rebels and Islamist fighters, said they were worried Islamic State was heading for the Bab al-Salam crossing between Aleppo and the Turkish province of Kilis.

“Reports indicate that the regime is making air strikes in support of ISIL’s advance on Aleppo, aiding extremists against Syrian population,” a post on the U.S. Embassy Syria Twitter account said late on Monday, using an acronym for Islamic State.

Islamic State fighters pushed back rival insurgents north of Aleppo on Sunday near the Turkish border, threatening their supply route to the city, fighters and a group monitoring the war said.

Fighters from Levant Front, a northern alliance which includes Western-backed rebels and Islamist fighters, said they were worried Islamic State was heading for the Bab al-Salam crossing between Aleppo and the Turkish province of Kilis.

“Reports indicate that the regime is making air strikes in support of ISIL’s advance on Aleppo, aiding extremists against Syrian population,” a post on the U.S. Embassy Syria Twitter account said late on Monday, using an acronym for Islamic State.

The Russians officially said on Oct 1 that they are attacking terrorists and the FSA are not terrorists.

Russia says U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army not a terrorist group
Russia does not consider the U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army rebels a terrorist group, and they should be part of a political solution in Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday after Russia was accused of bombing the group.

Lavrov told a news conference at the United Nations that Russian air strikes that began on Wednesday targeted Islamic State militants and “other terrorist groups” in Syria. “We targeted ISIL-associated depots, armaments and sites,” he said, using an acronym for Islamic State

Free Syrian Army and U.S. sources said the strikes actually hit facilities of the U.S.-backed group, some of whose rebels have received training and support from the CIA. .

Yesterday

Terrifying footage of Russian Hind helicopter gunships firing rockets at ‘US-backed Syrian rebels’ who claim attacks on them are making ISIS STRONGER.Syria has said Russia’s intervention has weakened ISIS but these claims have been rubbished by on-the-ground activists who say the terror group has expanded its territory since the invasion began.

Putin’s is pursuing the strategy originated by Assad, to make the civil war a choice between Islamic State and the Assad regime. Do you see?

Less than an hour ago

Islamic State closes in on city of Aleppo in Syrian fighting >.Islamic State fighters have seized villages close to the northern city of Aleppo from rival insurgents,

Need I say more?

But don’t give up hope just yet, after all, there is a silver lining to this fiasco, and all of the main players know exactly what it is.

It’s called Geneva. Geneva is the endgame.

It’s a huge mistake to think of this as a “silver lining” because that has been their intention from the start. THEY caused this mess so that they could step in as “heroes” with their solution of partitioning. The Hegelian Dialectic. Create the problem – cause a reaction – offer a solution that was planned long before the crisis.

I think that you may be right about the plans for Greater Israel, but the part of it that I’ve always questioned is the fact that this Eretz Israel would take land from the Saudis. Considering our Petrodollar alliance with SA, I have trouble reconciling our support for it and I don’t see why SA would agree to bringing about the circumstances to create it.

Hey are you guys thirsty for some bullshit? Well don’t worry because here come’s Kool-Aid Sean to save the day! Hey Kool Aid! Oh Yeah!

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Obviously, in case of war Putin will lose his jets, but Israel and Turkey will lose most of their population, AND THEIR JETS.
So I’m not sure who is in trouble here.

You shouldn’t repeat Pentagon’s unproven assertions (aka lies) about those cruise missiles crashing in Iran. That discredits pretty much everything else you had written.

“Need I say more?”

Please don’t. I get my daily fill of crap from the MSM and Horse’s Ash Carter.

The actual creation of Islamic State is also directly linked to the Iraq War. The former U.S. commander at Camp Bucca in Iraq has acknowledged that the detention of 24,000 prisoners, including hard-core al-Qaida cadres, Baathist officers and innocent civilians, created a “pressure cooker for extremism.” It was during their confinement in that camp during the U.S. troop surge in Iraq 2007 and 2008 that nine senior al-Qaida military cadres planned the details of how they would create Islamic State.

During the second half of 2011 and through 2012, thousands of foreign jihadists streamed into Syria. As early as November 2011, al-Qaida was playing a central role in the war, carrying out spectacular suicide bombings in Damascus and Aleppo. Obama should have reacted to the first indications of that development and insisted that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar keep external arms and military personnel and funding out of Syria in order to allow a process of peaceful change to take place. Instead, however, the administration became an integral part of a proxy war for regime change.

Seymour Hersh reported last year that an unpublished addendum to the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Benghazi revealed a covert CIA operation to arm Syrian rebels, in cooperation with Sunni allies’ intelligence services. In early 2012, Hersh reported, following an agreement with Turkey, then-CIA Director David Petraeus approved an elaborate covert operation in which Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar would fund the shipment of weapons to Syrian rebels from stocks captured from the Gadhafi government. The scheme employed front companies set up in Libya to manage the shipments of arms in order to separate the U.S. government from the operation. An October 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report released by the Department of Defense to Judicial Watch confirmed the shipments of Libyan weapons from the port of Benghazi to two Syrian ports near Turkey beginning in October 2011 and continuing through August 2012.

By November 2012, al-Qaida’s Syrian franchise, al-Nusra Front, had 6,000 to 10,000 troops—mostly foreign fighters—under its command and was regarded as the most disciplined and effective fighting force in the field. The CIA’s Gulf allies armed brigades that had allied themselves with al-Nusra—or were ready to do so. A Qatari intelligence officer is said to have declared, “I will send weapons to al-Qaeda if it will help” topple Assad.

The CIA officials overseeing the covert operation knew very well what their Sunni allies were doing. After the U.S. shipments from Benghazi stopped in September 2012 because of the attack on the U.S. diplomatic post there, a CIA analysis reminded President Obama that the covert operation in Afghanistan had ended up creating a Frankenstein monster. Even the now-famous account in Hillary Clinton’s 2014 memoirs about Obama rejecting a proposal in late 2012 from CIA Director Petraeus for arming and training Syrian rebels does not hide the fact that everyone was well aware of the danger that arms sent to “moderates” would end up in the hands of terrorists.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/why_the_us_owns_the_rise_of_islamic_state_and_the_syria_disaster_20151008

Whitney’s assumption of “rational” behavior on the part of Obama/Brzezinski does not pass the test of History. See: 1914, etc. And I know from direct personal experience – Columbia University/Russian Institute, 1972-75 – how persuasive Brzezinski can be in a one-on-one or small group situation. The US build-up at Incirlik, noted by Whitney, is a very bad sign

The Turks having last generation F16s doesn’t necessarily mean much unless they are as competent as Americans and Western Europeans in operating them. The Gulf Arabs have a lot of Western hardware but are mediocre in utilizing them , and even though the Turks are far more competent then the Gulf Arabs , are they as competent as Russian pilots??

Reports indicate that the regime is making air strikes in support of ISIL’s advance on Aleppo, aiding extremists against Syrian population,” a post on the U.S. Embassy Syria Twitter account said late on Monday, using an acronym for Islamic State.
The US embassy Twitter feed is of course the most reliable source for such news.

Dontcha know??? The Saudis are actually Jews!!!

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?230809-Saudi-Royal-Family-and-the-its-Jewish-roots

The Jew neocons are working their media magic.

The rhetoric coming out of Washington is beginning to sound like those who fight against Assad are all “freedom fighters” even though they are al queda terrorists. Our government is supporting the terrorists that did 9/11.

Our government is fulfilling the Jew Zionist screed to break up the ME – Project for a New American Century.

I think this article may be a little bit optimistic. I just hope there are still some adults in NATO counselling Turkey not to get into a war with Russia.

On the planes – I suspect Turkish pilots are probably not as good as Russian, but a lot better than Arabs, and they have a lot of F16s which although aging are still good planes.

A Qatari intelligence officer is said to have declared, “I will send weapons to al-Qaeda if it will help” topple Assad.

That’s all the proof I need haha.

Most of what this character quotes are the so called Pentagon and CIA “truths”. Another worthless propaganda regurgitating comment.

The Anglo/Zio Empire will have to find a new source of mercenaries. Putin and his allies will kill those who do not flee or surrender.

Now that it has been applied to white Christians defending their homes from Natzis in the Donbass the term “terrorist” no longer has any meaning if it ever did. Henceforth, people resisting imperial aggression should be designated as “dummy poopies” as befits the mentality of the Neocons.

Aleppo is the Syrian Stalingrad and north of it is a crossing point into Turkey. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=656_1435416508, as can be seen the FSA have no heavy weapons yet they can stand up to the Assad regime which is throwing everything it can at them, which suggests the FSA had popular support from the majority.

An Irish times article about Aleppo a few weeks before the Russians arrived about describes a stalemate with the Free syrian Army slowly wearing the Assad forces down.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/inside-aleppo-syrias-most-war-torn-city-354704.html Over three years, this crude slaughter by both sides has turned Aleppo into a Syrian Stalingrad. It has also divided the city into two distinct halves. In the June attack, the jarra came in such numbers and over such a wide area that they sowed mass panic. Three days before Ramadan, the point of this barrage was to trumpet a major new rebel assault on the regime-held part of the city; the rebel militias, emboldened by new alliances and successes elsewhere in northern Syria, were hoping to break through the stalemate and take Aleppo once and for all.

What happened in June was that according to the US the Assad regime concentrated its attacks on the FRA rebels so as to help an Islamic State offensive stab the FSA in the back, thereby derailing the FSA offensive against Assad’s forces in Aleppo.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKBN0OI13D20150602

Islamic State fighters pushed back rival insurgents north of Aleppo on Sunday near the Turkish border, threatening their supply route to the city, fighters and a group monitoring the war said.

Fighters from Levant Front, a northern alliance which includes Western-backed rebels and Islamist fighters, said they were worried Islamic State was heading for the Bab al-Salam crossing between Aleppo and the Turkish province of Kilis.

“Reports indicate that the regime is making air strikes in support of ISIL’s advance on Aleppo, aiding extremists against Syrian population,” a post on the U.S. Embassy Syria Twitter account said late on Monday, using an acronym for Islamic State.

The Russians are not taking any initiative they are just doing what Assad did (assisting Islamic State to attack the FSA). Since the Russians have arrived they have blasted the Free Syrian Army positions around Aleppo non stop, and weakened them for an Islamic State offensive. This next one is a couple of hours old.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/syria-rebels-battle-reverse-isil-gains-aleppo-151010093230362.html The Islamic State registered significant gains on Friday in the area of northwestern Syria that Russian warplanes have been bombing, taking six villages near Aleppo and threatening to cut off an important route north to the Turkish border. Late in the day, there were reports that rebels had reasserted control in one village.

The Kremlin has said its military had entered Syria to fight the Islamic State, but the Russian forces have concentrated much of their firepower on insurgent groups aligned against President Bashar al-Assad, including the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and relatively secular groups like the Free Syrian Army. Rival insurgents say that the Islamic State, also called ISIS or Daesh, is taking advantage.

“Daesh has exploited the Russian airstrikes and the preoccupation of the Free Syrian Army in its battles in Hama, and advanced in Aleppo,” one rebel commander told Reuters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0

BEIRUT, Lebanon — The Islamic State registered significant gains on Friday in the area of northwestern Syria that Russian warplanes have been bombing, taking six villages near Aleppo and threatening to cut off an important route north to the Turkish border. Late in the day, there were reports that rebels had reasserted control in one village.

The Kremlin has said its military had entered Syria to fight the Islamic State, but the Russian forces have concentrated much of their firepower on insurgent groups aligned against President Bashar al-Assad, including the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and relatively secular groups like the Free Syrian Army. Rival insurgents say that the Islamic State, also called ISIS or Daesh, is taking advantage.

“Daesh has exploited the Russian airstrikes and the preoccupation of the Free Syrian Army in its battles in Hama, and advanced in Aleppo,” one rebel commander told Reuters.

The Islamic State advance is threatening a strategic area north of Aleppo on the way to crossing points into Turkey that was to be part of a proposed ISIS-free buffer zone under a plan the United States announced over the summer with Turkey. That plan now seems to have stalled.

Putin is simply following the Assad strategy of June this year by attacking the FSA in such a way that the FSA, who are Assad’s real enemy, can be successfully attacked by Islamic State. It is as plain as a pikestaff that the Russian attacks are aimed at facilitating the Islamic State advance against the FSA, whose supporters compose the overwhelming mass of the population. Putin’s intervention will lead to increased refugee flows, which the Western European countries are going to have to take.

Report that is couple of hours old_

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/syria-rebels-battle-reverse-isil-gains-aleppo-151010093230362.html Rebels have battled to reverse an Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group advance on Syria’s Aleppo, as Washington said it would resume talks with Moscow to avoid accidents in the skies over the war-torn country. Russia on Saturday continued its aerial campaign in Syria, launching dozens of air strikes against what it said were ISIL targets. In the northern province of Aleppo, rebels including the powerful Ahrar al-Sham group on Saturday recaptured one of several villages seized by ISIL in its advance a day earlier, a monitor said. The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said rebels were battling to take back a second village from ISIL, which is now within 20 kilometres of Aleppo city.
ISIL advances on Aleppo despite Russia air strikes. The ISIL offensive has brought the group closer than ever to Aleppo, threatening to further complicate the situation in Syria’s second city which has long been divided between government and rebel control. The regime holds the west of the city, while the rebels hold the east, but the situation is largely reversed in the countryside.The ISIL advance threatens both regime and rebel forces in the city, including a strategic road that leads from rebel-held Aleppo to the Turkish border. The battles come amid a wave of intense Russian air strikes that have targeted fighters trying to topple President Bashar al-Assad, and a ground offensive by the Syrian army in the country’s central region. Russia began its bombing campaign in Syria on September 30, saying it was targeting ISIL and other “terrorist” groups. But US officials and Syrian rebels have said the strikes have hit “moderate” fighters for the most part and are aimed at shoring up Assad’s embattled government and troops. Many of the rebel groups hit by the Russian air strikes are also at war with ISIL.

Ten days ago:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-mideast-crisis-lavrov-fsa-idUKKCN0RV51620151001 Russia does not consider the U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army rebels a terrorist group, and they should be part of a political solution in Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday after Russia was accused of bombing the group.

Lavrov told a news conference at the United Nations that Russian air strikes that began on Wednesday targeted Islamic State militants and “other terrorist groups” in Syria. “We targeted ISIL-associated depots, armaments and sites,” he said, using an acronym for Islamic State.

Free Syrian Army and U.S. sources said the strikes actually hit facilities of the U.S.-backed group, some of whose rebels have received training and support from the CIA.

Lavrov said Russia’s targets were those considered terrorists by the United Nations

Note that Russia says the FSA are not terrorists and not the same as Islamic State, yet the Russians are simply lying about who they are bombing and why. This is a good strategy from Putin’s point of view if the US lets him get away with it, but there is no reason for Europeans to applaud Putin, unless they want more refugees.

It was the neocons who stopped the US bombing Assad a couple of years ago. Obama wanted to bomb Assad remember? The Israel lobby was opposed because getting into Syria would make an attack on Iran unlikely.

This is simply untrue. The neocons and the Israelis were pushing “all out” for the bombing of the Syrian government. Here was AIPAC’s confession:

AIPAC to go all-out on Syria

I’m not sure what kind of world view could have led any honest observer to conclude that Israel wasn’t (and isn’t) desperate for the Syrian government to be overthrown, at whatever cost.

Honest observer? This dude with the fake handle is most probably a ziotroll working overtime for the MFA, better known as Hasbara Central.

If Turkey engages Russia in military conflict there will be a war between NATO and Russia. Our Neocons have been trying to generate a conflict with Russia for awhile now and I will be surprised if they let this crisis go to waste. No one has yet defeated the Sunni insurgency. It just keeps getting bigger. The US should follow Michael Scheuer’s advice and leave now, and let America’s enemies fight to the death.

The neocons and the Israelis were pushing “all out” for the bombing of the Syrian government. Why didn’t it happen then?

Israel does not want any Syrian government. Right now the Syrian government already has been overthrow and does not control the country, which suits Israel. But if the US hit Assad’s remaining areas that would finish him off, and there would be a new government that controlled all of Syria, which would not suit Israel. Moreover if the US gott heavily be engaged in Syria it could not attack Iran .

Hi Little Art,

Thanks for the brilliant analysis!

I see you must be an Ivy League alum.

Sherman

Iyad al-Deek was dead long before the Russians arrived. You are repeating a line of propaganda. He was killed by Islamic State.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinRaimondo/status/649567735442051073

How much do you get paid to write this stuff on blogs? I’m curious.

You certainly are no “Sean”.

Jewish supremacist Hasbara Propagandist suits you better.

“Our government is supporting the terrorists that did 9/11.”

Have another Kool-Aid big gulp.

The US government did 9/11. The laughably absurd USG conspiracy theory is physically impossible.

http://www.ae911truth.org

Be sure to see their list of thousands of architects, engineers, and other skilled professionals who are unwilling to accept the impossible.

Nonsense.

As soon as the pantywaists in NATO take a few casualties the game would be over and the little boys would go home to their video games.

The West has no stomach for a fight against a strong foe. Women, children, marriage parties, and civilian housing is their style.

And note that Russia would not be alone is this theoretical fight.

Following links will provide you ( agin ) with the proofs you need to understand the machinations of the Zionism in the true causes giving rise to Syrian situation

Israel wanted US to attack Syria. AIPAC promised Obama of all the help he needed. ( I haven’t included the promise of donation and effort by Adelson) to attack Syria. Zionist wanted Syria to bleed in an ideal future whetr no side wins and parrotted the win situation as best of US .
Israel then resumed attacking Syria ( links not included ) and started supplying arms and training and treatment to rebels( links not included , but try and you will find out ) Hegel was thrown out because he didn’t want US to fight Assad and bolster ISIS.
Israel spread the rumor of Sarin gas originating from Assad

http://m.jpost.com/International/Report-AIPAC-to-mount-major-lobbying-blitz-for-Obamas-Syria-strike-plan-325381#article=0NTcyMkMxNUU0MDU5NjZDQjBDMzQwNkZERUE2OUEzQkU=

2- http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/verify-chemical-weapons-use-before-unleashing-the-dogs-of-war/#ixzz3njmni7bl

3
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/middleeast/syria-civil-war-israel-golan-heights.html?smid=tw-share&_r=

4 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/israel-backs-limited-strike-against-syria.html?pagewanted=allm

5 Edward N Luttwak , the Zionist uses America and being American to express the wet dream of the Zionist
– http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/opinion/sunday/in-syria-america-loses-if-either-side-wins.html
Just as Israeli lawyer Ross uses America and American to shore up and push Zionism from within administration

6 Hegel not a great admirer of Zionsim
-“The unnamed source said Hagel was concerned that the U.S. could lose gains it made in the war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) if it did not alter its strategy toward Assad.”http://thehill.com/policy/defense/222354-hagel-memo-criticized-wh-syria-strategy- was thrown out by Israeli friend / servant Rice

7 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us/hagel-said-to-be-stepping-down-as-defense-chief-under-pressure.html
– . But NYT throws some stupid non sequitur to throw sand at the eyes that might see the real reason among many it cites.

No . It is huhuhu like Netanyahuuu

34 is the post that should clear all haha

Israel only Israel could come with the logic of not returning Golan to Syria because Suria isn’t not what it used to be before 2011( link 3 above on post 33)
I am thinking of the reaction of the prosecutor ,judge and of sane citizen to the arguments by the sex trafficker of not returning the young girl to the parent or of the Madoff not returning the money to the victims because according to them the parents or the investors are now so emotionally and fianacial ly broken hearted they couldn’t take care or manage the way sex traffickers or Madoff could .

Hey Serm,

You Little Jews must be salivating over all these Arabs killing each other.

Your Big Jews have things going just the way you want. Your death prayers are coming true. In your wet dreams, what is the final outcome? How many must die – all the Palestinians and how many others?

Shalom – Art

Wally Shmally

9/11 Truthers are 1)Muslim Immigration enthusiasts or 2)psychotic delusionals drooling on themselves in public parks.

I have read hundreds of debates with 9/11 Truthers….it has been 14 years of annihilating 9/11 Truthers in debate.

9/11 Truther “science” is unpublishable sewage….game over. I’m sick of you vermin.

9/11 was a massive indictment of treasonous post-9/11 immigration policy.

Ohhh… I get it now. So the whole theory rests on being able to disconnect oneself from logic. So what you’re saying is that instead of asking the real question that they should be asking themselves when trying to figure out what’s going on of “Qui Bono”, they ask “Qui Loco”. It all makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up. 😉

“So much for the superior morality of the world’s two “exceptional” nations! But, for Israel, encouraging goyim to kill goyim – Muslims especially — is par for the course.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/09/in-syria-obama-is-playing-a-losing-game/
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ANDREW LEVINE is a Senior Scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies, the author most recently of THE AMERICAN IDEOLOGY (Routledge) and POLITICAL KEY WORDS (Blackwell) as well as of many other books and articles in political philosophy. His most recent book is In Bad Faith: What’s Wrong With the Opium of the People. He was a Professor (philosophy) at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and a Research Professor (philosophy) at the University of Maryland-College Park. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press).

“Over the past eight years, news reports gradually revealed that Afghan soldiers and police officers allied with US military forces are sexually abusing young boys held against their will—sometimes on US military bases. Last month, Joseph Goldstein (2015) published a front page story in the New York Times under the headline “US Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies,” which opened with the disturbing story of Lance Corporal Gregory Buckley Jr., who was fatally shot along with two other Marines in 2012. Buckley was killed after he raised concerns about the American military’s tolerance of child sexual abuse practiced by Afghan police officers on the base where he was stationed in southern Afghanistan. Buckley’s father told the Times that “my son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/09/the-use-and-abuse-of-culture-and-children-the-human-terrain-systems-rationalization-of-pedophilia-in-afghanistan/

Why does America conduct preemptive wars this way? Either by creating reactionary forces like IS or Mujhaeddin or by spreading ,selling ,growing opium and financing war by opium or by jihadist and now by letting the warlords screw from behind- and claims that they are the reincarnation of the Founding Fathers .

Air power can pound and crush the enemy, but it’s ground forces that wins the war.

US failed in Iraq cuz its successful air war wasn’t followed by successful ground war.

So, the long-term success of this war will depend on the Syrian Army. If they capitalize on the Russian air war and take & keep territory, they will win.

If they fail to do that, Russian air war won’t make much difference.

It’s like football. It isn’t won simply by the quarterback throwing the ball. Other players have to catch the ball and use muscles to gain more territory.

If Syrian troops fail to win the ground game, Putin will eventually have to punt.

Jr., that was hilarious! I’d forgotten how funny those old Kool-Aid commercials were. Thanks for the memory.

As far as ‘Sean’ (Shimon?) is concerned, I just ignore him now. His posts are long, convoluted, and filled with MSM double-think.

Hi Little Art,

I hate to admit it but I agree with you.

The more Hezbollah, the Iranians, Assad’s forces and Al-Queda butcher each other off, the more time Israelis have to hang out on the beach in Tel Aviv and stare at girls in bikinis.

Shalom,
Sherman

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-syria-targeted-russia-airstrikes-us/

Iyad al-Deek died contemporaneously with the first airstrikes by the Russians. If he was killed by Islamic state it was in an offensive that coincided with those airstrikes on the area, but I’m sure that was just a coincidence.. Islamic State attack Free Syrian Army territory after it has been weakened by Assad’s heavy weapons. Look at my links above they (Assad and IS) did this in June. Right now IS are doing Assad’s work by threatening to cutting the Syrian coalition off from the route to Turkey and US help, and they can do this because the Free Syrian forces defending the villages in the rear of the area are have been blasted to kingdom come by the Russia air force. Islamic state are now on the outskirts of Aleppo, and the US army, CIA , and Obama are publically humiliated http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/islamic-state-at-outskirts-of-syrias-aleppo-as-russia-us-to-resume-talks-1230479.

I, on the the other hand, have achieved full spectrum dominance though my correct predictions about Aleppo. My work here is done.

“Putin is not out gunning anyone in the region with his small expeditionary force and, while he can bang away at Syrian rebels with his 28 jet ‘armada’, if he has to fight a larger war in the region he is in trouble.”

Any attack on Russian forces in Syria by Turkey would be met with much more than a “small expeditionary force” by Russia. It’s Turkey that might be in some serious trouble in that event. You are welcome to consult a map. Russia is located pretty close to Turkey. The Russians would not need to rely on their forces in Syria to retaliate and topple Erodgan’s government.

“Also in the neighborhood is the Israeli Air Force with even more advanced aircraft and capabilities.”

I love it when laymen comment as if they actually know what they are talking about. I don’t foresee the Israelis, a non-NATO country and not bound in any legal way to protect Turkey, coming to their rescue should they pick a fight with Russia, especially considering the personal antipathy towards Erodgan in Tel Aviv. Any belief that they would is pure fantasy.

The more Hezbollah, the Iranians, Assad’s forces and Al-Queda butcher each other off, the more time Israelis have to hang out on the beach in Tel Aviv and stare at girls in bikinis.

Thanks for giving us a window into your soul, Sherm.

May G-d bless!

“The more Hezbollah, the Iranians, Assad’s forces and Al-Queda butcher each other off, the more time Israelis have to hang out on the beach in Tel Aviv and stare at girls in bikinis.”

So Serm,

When the winds blow into Israel with the smell of Arab blood – is it an aphrodisiac for you’ll – that must be a real win-win for you Jew boys and girls. Was there an on slot of babies born nine months after the last Gaza massacre?

Shalom – Art

p.s. With the smell of Arab blood in the air, do your old folks get a good drool?

i can’t get thru this diatribe…….the author is too busy equating opinion with fact……Christ almighty, somebody PLEASE stop the madness!!!

“This was no mistake. The only time a fighter pilot adopts these protocols is when he plans to take down an enemy plane. This was a message, and while it might have been over-the-heads of the politicians and the media but, I assure you, every general in the Turkish High-Command knows what’s it means”

mega-facepalm

Turkey is a bit more than 50% the size of Russia in terms of population. In terms of their economies its a wash. In nominal GDP terms Russia and Turkey are roughly identical. Industrially Turkey might have the edge on Russia since its GDP does not rely so heavily on commodity production. For Russia to successfully invade Turkey would require every bit of Russian military power and hope NATO did not open another front. Even then it would be a close fought affair. Nuclear weapons would change this but I don’t believe they can be used in the modern world so Russia’s heavy investment in them actually detracts from its conventional military strength.

“In nominal GDP terms Russia and Turkey are roughly identical.”

Russia’s GDP per capita is 25% greater than Turkey’s

Russia’s military would mop the floor with Turkey.

As usual, wrong.

Why would Russia want to invade Turkey? That is mega-stupid of you. Also, Devine Right did not say this. The issue is to confront Turkish military expansionism. You have a tendency to show that you know much less about the subject you are writing about than you think, by often quoting from the CIA Facts Book and Western MSM (the Facts Books is actually not always a bad source). All of Southern Europe and Russia know very well about the Turkish military expansionism. It is just the right time for Turkey to switch to this mode because of its booming economy. Turkey is like a clockwork – it never misses to expand at the expense of its neighbors whenever it believes it can. This is why it trashed Erdogan’s supposed friendship with Assad, to go for his jugular and grab a large portion of Syria.

On the other hand, Russia has plenty of experience of dealing with Turkey and I do not know of a skirmish or a war which Russia did not win. Turkish military is a tough nut, but still no match for Russia, without the whole of NATO attacking together with the Turks. Thus, the Turkish formula is simple: if they can present themselves as victims of aggression and get NATO to join in, they will attack Russia. But without NATO, Turkey will curl its tail between its legs and keep quiet for a good period of time. Neither the Europeans, nor the Americans feel obliged to fight for Turkey.

I am actually much more worried about Israel than Turkey. Israel will not take the busting of its plans for Greater Israel so lightly and its US Kerber is always ready to jump at master’s command. If Israel decides to attack Russia, at least the US, and maybe also the US drags NATO to join in.

Putin has exposed Russia to a false-flag followed by a full NATO attack.

In fairness to that slice of cheesy Americana, you ought to append some photos of Jonestown, which is the origin of Kool-Aid’s infamy.

Any group that is attempting to overthrow the internationally recognized government of Syria through military force is a legitimate target for Russian air strikes. The government of Syria is the last and only bulwark against Islamic extremist groups in the country. If that government falls, it will lead to a worse humanitarian catastrophe than anything we have witnessed so far. Assad is currently the head of that government. Whether you believe his 2014 election was fair or not is beside the point. Once and if all anti-Assad militias are neutralized, only then can a more representative government be formed through negotiations at Geneva and free and supervised elections. This is Russia’s position, and it is the correct one.

Would you please enlarge on your comment about (I suppose) the behaviour of a Russian fighter pilot.

And perhaps you know enough to answer the question that was prompted in my mind by the author’s apparent adoption of an allegation that the Russian locked his radar for several minutes on to eight Turkish planes. The “locking on” I understand to be an aiming mechanism by analogy to aiming a rifle ready to fire. I suppose that a couple of missiles might be independently fired after separate but more or less simultaneous aimings but eight????? Not plausible I think.

So does the author know what he’s talking about? Or is he mostly a loud mouth?

Can’t you get the really important things right? Cui bono? Not “qui bono?”:)

Russia would never invade Turkey but they could make Turkey regret messing with the beast

They will never stop.

there would never be a full on war. nukes assure that.

we only need to worry about ww3 when one or both sides got shields/counter measures vs nukes.

That is why usa can’t do jack shit in response to the russians in syria.

israel attacking the russian force? come on. the jews are not that stupid.

Gratias Tibi Ago 🙂

From Israeli perspective , Syria has to be destroyed because Syria offers resistance to the hegemony it dreams. They used to say ” no war without Egypt,no peace without Syria” .They coined the term around the same time their interlocutors in Rockville Md in a session held by Jewish Community Center of Greater Washignton articulated the need : ” We have to convince others that the interests of Israel remain basic to the interests of American people because Israel is a free democracy ” ( AMERICAN JEWS AND ISRAEL Monday March 10, 1975,TIME)
Background was the vehement opposition to Camp David Peace among the Jews .

The fear was obvious and play was unexpected . From TIME ” From a Jewish point of view ,the danger is that the sentiment in favor of Israel is now counteracted by declining guilt over the Holocaust and an increased Sympathy for Palestinian.And we are under great pressures of both military and economic policy that we were not under before”- M Bernstein of Brandeis University

Elie Wiesel said: ” forsee the possibility of Jews being massacred in the cities of America or in the forests of Europe” and President Fold was told that there was not enough support for Israel.(TIME)

We see the replay of the same cookbook and echoing of same mantra today. Back then a crisis not to Israeli liking led to attacks on Palestine and assault on Lebanon and assassination within Iraq . It created Hizbullah and Shatila camp massacre , hostage taking by Iran . Israel was involved in all of these crisis that did not benefit but hurt America. Peace gave rise to hatred and vengeance within Israel. Today the attempt towards abandonment of Neocon policy by Obama gave rise to destructive Libyan and Syrian policy . It became more relevant ,urgent,and intense for Israel after Iran deal.
Today we see same arguments and same insincere perilous dangerous maneuvering by Israel.

Back then Saudi didnot like Carter and GOP with Israel and Iran torpedoed the possibility of freeing hostage .

You are right that Turkey is a serious military power and would have a good chance to defeat a Russian ground invasion, even without NATO.
However that’s not the issue, Russia won’t invade Turkey. An air war of contending fighters is a different matter, Turkey would be the underdog and probably knows that.

Hello, you are both right and wrong. I am not writing that Israel or US are crazy to directly and frontally attack Russia. Threats and propaganda lies are the main Western modus right now, but this could soon change. The British have been the most vocal with their threats towards Russia, followed by that US moron Ashton Carter. They easily talk about dead Russians, as if all the dying will be only one way.

There are two general methods for the big kahuna to happen:
1) a miscalculation,
2) some crazy nut.

If we could be sure that everyone is an adult and rational, we could be sure that everything will remain at the level of threats and cheap bluster (the West). But the more successful the Russians are in rooting out terrorists in Syria, the more keen will be the West to punish them.

I am not worried about the British, because when I see Mr Yorkshire Piggy on the screen (Cameron) I expect a lot of dumb huffing and puffing, a lot of hot air will be excreted. But Israel is silent, this is why I believe that they will attack the Russians first.

Option 1: a false-flag attack on own troops, errand missile or similar.
Option 2: unidentified aerial attack on the Russians.

I kinda wish that would happen actually, maybe than the trouble making god’s chosen occupiers would finally be wiped off the face of the earth.

everything that happens after that would be 1000% deserved.

Well good luck to Putin. I suspect the more difficult the situation becomes for Daesh, the more money (Saudi, Qattari) will pour in, the larger the number recruited for Daesh from Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, etc. Daesh is fed by young men coming from the tens of millions of impoverished families across the Arab and Muslim world. It seems to me, given the deep pockets in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, this is not a problem that will end anytime soon–despite Putin’s good intentions.

It’s all Greeq to me 🙂

Kool-Aid wasn’t even used at Jonestown, it was a cheap knock-off called Flavor-Aid.

The parties of global chess playing have taken their respective grounds, “Shrinking the Technosphere, Part I:” http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/10/shrinking-technosphere-part-i.html
We are witnessing the current limits of the US flexibility in the face of adversity. The adversity is, of course, the insatiable thirst for power (and money) by the cabal of psychopaths. The nuclear weaponry will be globally-lethal if the degenerates smother democracy to such extend that the decent and intelligent people would have no chance to change the suicidal policies

A bit off-topic, I saw this article where Moscow demands Britain to explain about “green light to shutdown Russian jets”. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-11/moscow-demands-britain-explain-green-light-shoot-down-russian-jets