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The Trump administration’s appalling treatment of Huawei shows that the United States will risk anything, even a nuclear conflagration with China, to maintain its tenuous grip on global power.

Huawei is China’s behemoth technology company that has recently come under fire by the Trump administration for violating sanctions against Iran and for providing network equipment that (allegedly) poses security risks for its customers. Both charges are baseless, but they’re being used as the pretext for launching a full-blown war on China’s telecom-equipment giant.

Huawei’s troubles stem from the fact that the company has taken the lead in fifth generation wireless technology (5-G) and left the US behind eating their dust. The situation creates an insurmountable problem for the US which wants to preserve its role as global superpower into the next century. That dream will not be realized if China dominates communications technology and continues to be the industry leader in next-generation mobile infrastructure. That’s why Trump has taken off the gloves and is preparing to do whatever it takes to sabotage Huawei and prevent its cutting edge infrastructure technology from being installed around the world.

It’s worth noting that the administration has abandoned any pretense that it is seeking a market-based solution for dealing with Huawei. Uncle Sam is not looking for ways to beat the Chinese colossus fair and square. If that was the case, the Trump team would provide a funding stream that would generate the innovations that would help US companies become more competitive in the future. So far, that hasn’t happened. Instead, Trump has taken the low road and imposed unilateral sanctions on Huawei for trading with Iran. The US is also aggressively harassing Huawei’s customers and threatening them with stiff penalties if they integrate the Chinese company’s products into their own systems. Lastly, Washington is warning of military action if China does not comply with US diktats and accept its role as the world’s biggest producer of cheap goods for grossly-indebted American consumers. The US wants China to ignore its historic destiny and meekly become a cog in Washington’s geriatric “rules-based” order. But China has no intention of becoming Washington’s lackey. China’s leaders are determined to defend the country’s sovereignty, implement its own economic model, and seize the opportunity to become the world’s biggest and most prosperous economic powerhouse.

According to author Thomas Hon Wing Polin: (Huawei) is far ahead of everyone else in the development of 5G. Any nation that doesn’t want to be left behind rolling out the game-changing, next-generation communications technology has little choice but to do business with Huawei.” (“Empire Unravelling: Will Huawei Become Washington’s Suez? Counterpunch)

Most of the experts in the field agree with Polin. Regardless of how much money and brainpower the US throws at 5-G, China will remain leaps and bounds ahead. This is from an article at CNBC:

“In an interview with CNBC, Paul Scanlan, chief technology officer of Huawei’s networking business, explained that the technical standards and actual implementation of 5G have taken about 10 years to create.

“So the U.S. will do what the U.S. does … that’s a very very long game and that has its own sort of complexity built into (it) and Huawei has been addressing and looking at those things ourselves,” Scanlan said.

When asked if the U.S. could create a new alternative to Huawei quickly, Scanlan said: “It would be a challenge.” (CNBC)

What this means is that Huawei is likely to dominate the 5-G space for the foreseeable future which is why the administration has been spreading malicious rumors that Huawei can’t be trusted because its infrastructure equipment may enable surveillance by the Chinese government. Aside from the fact that the US has been vacuuming up virtually all the electronic communications of its allies for years, there’s no proof to back up similar claims against Huawei. Besides China isn’t interested in espionage, they have bigger fish to fry. They want to rebuild the world using the markets and the existing system to expand their reach and increase their power-base. They want to use state of the art technology and high-speed rail to connect the four corners of the earth putting Beijing at the center of the world’s biggest free trade zone. They want to be a force to be reckoned with, a bustling behemoth whose infrastructure and influence stretches across continents and whose interests must be considered when shaping the global agenda. China’s aspirations even exceed its gigantic global development strategy, the Belt and Road Initiative, which is the largest infrastructure and investment project in history, covering more than 70 countries, including 65% of the world’s population and 40% of the global GDP.” Regrettably, the US now sees China as its mortal enemy and is determined to undermine their business relations, stifle their economic integration program, and rein terror down on Huawei for creating better products and playing by the rules. Here’s how author Diana Johnstone summed it up in a recent article. She said:

“As long as Western dominance was ensured, international trade was celebrated as the necessary basis for a peaceful world. But the moment a non-Western trader is doing too well, its exports are ominously denounced as means to exert malign influence over its customers.” (“The West displays its Insecurity Complex”, Diana Johnstone, Consortium News)

How true. Washington is a tireless cheerleader for the free market until American companies fall behind their foreign competitors. Then all the gushing praise for the market is shoved overboard while Uncle Sam goes on the warpath. That same rule applies here in spades. Trump even admitted as much in a statement he delivered in the Oval Office a few months ago. He said: “We cannot allow any other country to out compete the United States in this powerful industry of the future.”

“Out compete”? In other words, competition should only be permitted when it coincides with the political objectives of the state?? This is the worst type of hypocrisy and yet, sadly, it has become the guiding doctrine for the USG’s war on China.

Sec-Def Mark Esper Goes Ballistic

The 2020 National Defense Authorization Act, which was signed into law in December 2019, announced a dramatic shift in the Defense Department’s focus, from the war on terror to a “great power competition” between the US and its main rivals Russia and China. The NDAA also proposes banning government agencies from using Huawei’s products. That ban is now in place.

Underscoring these developments, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper gave the most flagrantly belligerent speech in recent memory at the Munich Security Conference last weekend. His presentation was aimed at China leaving no doubt that the US has abandoned its earlier approach of ‘peaceful negotiations with a valued ally’. The new strategy replaces diplomacy with coercion, and dialogue with brute force. Esper and his chums in the foreign policy establishment are planning another maximum pressure campaign that will increase the threats and provocations, including (very likely) the use of military force aimed at isolating Huawei and quashing China’s inexorable rise. Here’s a short excerpt from Esper’s incendiary presentation:

“I’d like to speak to you today about the number one priority of the United States Department of Defense: implementing the National Defense Strategy. The NDS states that we are now in an era of Great Power Competition, with our principal challengers being China, then Russia, and that we must move away from low intensity conflict and prepare once again for high-intensity warfare….

… the Chinese Communist Party is heading even faster and further in the wrong direction…The PRC’s growing economic, military, and diplomatic power often manifests itself in ways that are threatening, coercive, and counter to the rules-based international order. …

the PRC seeks to undermine and subvert this system, the same one that allowed them to rise and become what they are today…..Party leadership continues its rampant technology theft, while resolving to eventually end its reliance on foreign innovation altogether, independently develop its own systems, and then dominate critical sectors and markets…. Huawei and 5G are today’s poster child for this nefarious activity.

History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom….But Beijing’s bad behavior will only take them so far….The Chinese government needs to change its policies and behaviors. (or else)

(Sec-Def Mark Esper’s remarks at Munich Security Conference)

This is an important speech that accurately reflects current US policy towards China, so let’s summarize:

  1. China is a thief (“Party leadership continues its rampant technology theft”)
  2. “Huawei and 5G are today’s poster child for.. nefarious activity”
  3. China is a corrupt, authoritarian government that hates freedom. (“History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom.”)
  4. China is a threat to the western “rules-based” system. (“The PCR seeks to undermine and subvert this system.”)
  5. China “is heading …in the wrong direction.”
  6. The Pentagon’s “number one priority” is to “move away from low intensity conflict and prepare once again for high-intensity warfare.”
  7. The United States is preparing for a war with China (“The Chinese government needs to change its policies and behaviors” or else.)

These seven talking points show that Washington has entered a new phase in its perilous face-off with China. The US foreign policy establishment could calmly accept the emergence of other centers of power and ease the transition to a multipolar world or they can use all the tools at their disposal to stave off the rising tide and, perhaps, preserve the existing order for a decade-or-so longer. But the latter option is fraught with risk and could involve an unforeseen incitement that leads to a nuclear confrontation. In any event, judging by Esper’s speech, the decision has already been made and, once again, Washington has chosen war over peace.

Check out this 2 minute video with Secretary of Defense Mark Esper who levels the same accusations against China that he did in Munich.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=tightropetb&p=Munich+Security+Conference+mark+esper#id=13&vid=9cf6a1dfc46e09e3885928365e32f361&action=view

Check out this 9 minute video from the conservative Economist magazine. The author draws the same conclusion that we have here, that the administration’s feigned concern over spying is a fraud used to conceal the real motive which is, “the desire to slow China’s explosive growth to preserve US dominant role in the world for as long as possible.” (The Economist)

 
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  1. Stopped reading at Chinese fair and square…..what an asshole

    • Agree: Redneck farmer, ivan
    • Troll: Weston Waroda, Biff, Parfois1
  2. Political correctness, intensified by 70 years of government and media lying about China, have made it almost impossible for us to honestly analyze our problems with that country, let alone correct them. To wit:

    Regardless of how much money and brainpower the US throws at 5-G, China will remain leaps and bounds ahead. Duh! That happened because China outspends us by 400% on R&D, and it’s not just in 5G. Thanks to China’s lead in chemistry, engineering and computer science, all its missiles–from A2A to ICBMs–are more accurate than–and outrange and out-punch–ours, despite their smaller defense budget.

    “History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom…” Precisely. And American authoritarianism has bred corruption, promoted conformity, smothered free thinking, and suppressed freedom. Our authoritarianism has bred

    • warrantless surveillance of private phone and email conversations.
    • SWAT team raiding homes;
    • thousands of shootings of unarmed citizens by police
    • harsh punishment of schoolchildren in the name of zero tolerance
    • endless unpopular wars
    • secret bans on 50,000 people from flying and refusing explanations
    • imprisoning 2,000,000 people witout trial
    • executing 2,000 people each year prior to arrest.
    • out-of-control government spending with little benefit to citizens
    • heavily armed, militarized police;
    • roadside strip searches;
    • roving border sweeps that imprison citizens and non-citizens
    • privatized prisons with a profit incentive for jailing citizens;
    • fusion centers that collect and disseminate data on citizens’ private transactions
    • militarized agencies with stockpiles of ammunition

    The Chinese government does few of these things, its police are unarmed, its legal system is highly trusted, and its government’s policies are popular.

    • Agree: Tom Welsh, Realist
    • Thanks: Nonny Mouse, Mustapha Mond
    • LOL: eah
    • Troll: ivan
  3. Ask the “Elite” if they vaccinate themselves.
    Ask the “Elite” if they eat food from any local supermarket.
    Ask the “Elite” If they would put theyre spouses on a regular school.
    Ask the “Elite” If they would not bend over for more sheckels.

    There is no “Elite”. It is YOU who VOTE for these incompetent lyers.
    Keep eating your chips and pizza and watch some more TV Series.

    https://www.5gawareness.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/user/RohdeundSchwarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @animalogic
  4. Alfred says:

    The Americans and Europeans have been busy pulling down their own houses for so long. It is ridiculous to blame China for the outcome. It is amazing how the real capital of the past has survived and underpins the current structure. But those who built it have either died or will soon pass away.

    It is no longer possible to have a sensible discussion about basic things like climate, electricity or fossil-fuels – because the people don’t have the technical know-how any more. They practice magical thinking.

    I think countries move in cycles and it is obvious that China is going to reclaim its economic dominance. India is another matter. They have chosen their own version of magical thinking.

    Naturally, the USA will do its very best to prevent this happening. It is only in this context that one can understand the genocidal wars of the Middle East and the on-going plagues of China.

    • Replies: @Lol
    , @TRM
    , @Rdm
  5. Antares says:

    What this means is that Huawei is likely to dominate the 5-G space for the foreseeable future which is why the administration has been spreading malicious rumors that Huawei can’t be trusted because its infrastructure equipment may enable surveillance by the Chinese government. Aside from the fact that the US has been vacuuming up virtually all the electronic communications of its allies for years, there’s no proof to back up similar claims against Huawei. Besides China isn’t interested in espionage, they have bigger fish to fry.

    The fact that some people don’t like the American empire is in no way a reason to favour China’s. No one needs the 5G brain boiling technology that is even worse than today’s wireless technology. They simply want to put us into a stronger micro wave, again. But maybe people like tinnitus, headache, loss of concentration, strong heartbeats and a bad sleep (to begin with). Would they?

    Secondly, who has ever visited China (with the eyes open) will know that they are VERY interested in espionage, just like here in Europe and supposedly also the US. Espionage is the linchpin of power. Remember all those stories about Chinese students who want to improve their English language skills? What a brilliant excuse.

    It is said that smart cameras in the UK outnumber the population. In China those numbers were already exactly the same, before tech came in.

    So the only true word in the quote was “to fry.” That will be our future.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  6. I guess this is this week’s “We’re about to have WW3 with China” panic-fest at Unz.

    China gets its tech from the U.S., and they steal it to do so. I know people in bio-tech here (the U.S.) and have heard plenty of stories about the incompetent, irksome nature of the arrogant Chinese that are all around them, not to mention getting caught “accidentally” breaching security protocols. It’s a “language” thing, don’t you know. All just a misunderstanding.

    I hope Trump crushes the ever-loving shit out of Huawei.

    I look forward to reading an article here about all of the crap the Chinese have pulled (and are pulling right now) against the U.S., and all of the psychopathic atrocities they’ve committed against their own people. Yeah, that’ll happen.

    Does anyone at Unz have a moral compass?

  7. Right from the word Go the attempts by the US to stop allies like Australia from using Huawei 5G on supposed security grounds were obviously fraudulent attempts to help underperforming US competitors or just to engage in foolish asymmetric warfare to hold China back. Just a couple of smart lawyers working with the best and most relevantly qualified scientists and technologists could sew up the security concerns. (How about Huawei threatened with losing all its US assets and royalties if it was found in breach if security related stipulations? Just for a start… )

    • Agree: Realist
  8. Biff says:

    China is a corrupt, authoritarian government that hates freedom. (“History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom.”)

    Every government is corrupt and authoritarian, and it’s funny when one government calls out another government for being just like everyone else but worse!

    Pot meet kettle..

  9. TG says:

    “If that was the case, the Trump team would provide a funding stream that would generate the innovations that would help US companies become more competitive in the future. ”

    Excuse me, you lost me there.

    All those Chinese industries flooding our nation with imports, were developed by the United States and then shipped to China in an act of treason by our elites so they could make a quick buck. Our elites are starting to regret that decision, realizing that the price of quick profits now is losing control of those industries and future profits, but hey, cry me a river.

    If the “Trump team” did provide a funding stream and generated new innovations in the United States, they would all be shipped to China (or wherever) just like all past innovations have. And besides, we do have massive government funding streams for industry: it’s just for the financial industry. Because making real things is so low-class.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @animalogic
  10. Tony Hall says:

    Wow. That’s a really hard hitting story. Thank you Mike Whitney. China really does appear to have the upper hand in many ways.

    I’d be interested to know, though, what Huawei Inc. has to say about all the grave issues of public health that will inevitably arise by bombarding humans with the radioactive intensity of 5 G technology.

    I have to say, though, Mike Whitney’s story might have made a lot more sense a month or so ago. But now there is the Wuhan contagion plague to consider, for China and for all of us on earth.

    So where did the Wuhan supervirus come from? Bat soup?

    Was the source of COVID-19/19-nCoV an internal Chinese leak of some genetically-engineered virus? Or is the killer germ the viral agent of a US bioengineered plague? It just so happens about 300 US soldiers were part of the Wuhan World Military Games that took place in late October of 2019.

    The presence of the old Wuhan Institute of Virology in the new Wuhan Biosafety Laboratory might have been flagged as a means of giving both cover and deniability to a covert US bioweapon strike on China. I’m just speculating. What do you think?

    The words of Secretary of Defence, Mark Esper, makes it pretty clear, however, that from the perspective US Hawks, the US war with China is already well underway. Why not consider that the Chinese miracle was broken by the severity of a US bioweapon attack that started in Wuhan?

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  11. The Huawei brouhaha is a fine example of the Western Oligarchy waking up to smell the coffee and realise they’ve hollowed out Western tech manufacturing so severely that we hardly make any of the equipment that, through deliberate vulnerabilities, made it possible for them to spy easily on their own people. Maybe they should figure out a globalist free-trade deal to buy Western citizens’ data from China. They’ve outsourced pretty much everything else of value, so why not intel?

  12. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:

    The globalists are desperate so they’ve completely stopped pretending that justice or fairness matter. What we have now is open thuggery which will continue escalating until they’re destroyed.

    Unfortunately, that probably means WW3. It’s the most likely outcome by far.

  13. Adrian E. says:

    Of course, the conflict is not only about the question of spying, but also about economic interests in the high tech industry. The US is falling behind China technologically, and since it cannot compete against China with the quality of its products, it tries it with political pressure.

    But the question of spying is still relevant. Not so much because Huawei‘s products could contain backdoors for the Chinese intelligence services. There are tests that could reveals such backdoors, and Huawei is hardly going to endanger its success with such backdoors.

    But obviously, Huawei does not build backdoors for US intelligence services into its products. It is an open secret that products from US companies like Cisco contain backdoors. They are required by US laws to provide such backdoors. Governments around the world were hardly happy about this, but they did not have the backbone to protest or to threaten the US to ban its products unless they stop introducing backdoors for US intelligence services.

    Now, Huawei provides an easy way out for all the countries – including, for instance, most EU countries – that don’t want the US to read their secrets any more. They don’t have to criticize US spying openly, they can simply choose Huawei products that also offer advantages as far as technological quality and price are concerned, and the networks go dark for US intelligence services.

    The US has used mass surveillance against nominal allies (which it regards as a kind of vassals) for a long time. Most of these countries don’t feel strong enough to stand up against the US openly, but when there is an occasion to limit US spying, they will use it.

    Probably, a significant part of US influence comes from the edge mass surveillance gives it over other countries, including nominal allies. If that stops, US influence is curtailed. The US is not afraid of Huawei products because they might enable Chinese mass surveillance – that is unlikely, Huawei will hardly take such a risk, and it could be discovered -, but because they stop US mass surveillance.

    When there will be both US (e.g. Cisco) networks and Huawei networks in a country, we will probably increasingly see a situation in which people take care that sensitive communication goes via the Huawei networks where the US cannot listen in, and in the long run, US equipment will probably be done away with because it is a security risk.

    • Agree: Antiwar7
  14. Big Mo says:

    So Trump used a bio-weapon to solve his Huawei dispute? Makes sense. But what about the blowback?

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  15. antibeast says:

    I don’t know if the Trump Administration knows that economic protectionism will only succeed in damaging your domestic industries while weaponizing foreign trade and investment will only succeed in destroying trust and confidence in your international business relationships. The Trump Administration behaves like a street gang out to harass and hustle the neighborhood kids. And if they fail to get what they want, they threaten to beat everyone up. Before you know it, everybody will just avoid the big bad bully.

  16. sarz says:

    The Economist is the mouthpiece for the Rothschilds, the leaders of the globalist order. China’s development and the death of American manufacturing are their long-term project. It’s now Nationalist Zionism against globalism. But it looks like even Bojo, not to mention the EU, is not with Trump and Netanyahu.

  17. Thanks, Mike. I guess Huawei is a threat to security because its phones are secure.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  18. The lack of historical awareness among US leaders and the general public has always surprised me. Esper’s attitude and remarks are a case in point. War with China? War with Russia?

    So far, the only enemies the US has been capable of defeating single-handedly have been some native Indian tribes, tiny Grenada and Panama. It is a good thing that during World War II (which it did so much to unleash) the US could count the Soviet Union among its allies. If it had been otherwise, Germany might very well have turned out the winner, but certainly would not have lost the war.

    The US military is a joke compared to the Russian and Chinese armed forces. Even little North Korea is superior, otherwise the Kim dynasty would long since have been disposed of like Saddam and Gadhafi.

    The US wastes the hard-earned money of its citizens on fake technology: just look at the failed LCS project and the unbelievable F-35 swindle. Plus they have let women enter the armed forces for combat duty. Finally, the morale of the few remaining real soldiers (dedicated, honest, reliable men) is being subverted by giving free rein to transgender idiocy.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
    , @ivan
  19. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The cynic in me wonders if all this drama surrounding China lately, like the Arab Spring type rabble-rousing in Hong Kong, the Corona virus, which is starting to look like it was man-made & not from eating bats and rats, and the never-ending harassment of China’s Naval ship in the Taiwan Straits is due mostly to China’s HUGE gold reserves, which is at least 8,000 tons and could be much more, is all an effort to crash China’s economy, with Wall Street sharpies riding to the rescue, like they did after the USSR collapsed. Using the confusion of switching over to a different economic model, Russian oligarchs–mostly Jews–managed to steal hundreds of billions.
    Many have fled to Israel, where they can keep their plunder without worrying about being deported and facing criminal charges for robbing Russia of all that wealth.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/abramovich-is-latest-of-more-than-30-russian-tycoons-to-move-to-israel/

    Add in the fact that China will back their digital currency, the Renminbi with gold and the situation will continue to get dicey, since the USG targets for destruction any nation that dare get uppity and offer a gold-backed currency that could not only compete, but destroy the increasingly worthless Fed notes.

    And her huge gold reserves is definitely making a certain group of international gangsters drool at the thought of stealing that gold, like they’ve done to Iraq’s and Libya’s gold.

  20. Boomers, Jews, feminists, immigrants, illegals… it’s not as though American demise is a surprise.

    The question is whether China can prevent the same thing happening. I doubt it can; the beginnings of the end are already there for anyone bothering to observe.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  21. Lol says:
    @Alfred

    You somehow think Europeans should care for America’s hegemony? If anything, China’s foreign policy doesn’t create hordes of refugees and there’s no reason why European support in the Pacific shouldn’t be auctioned. NATO doesn’t even cover the Pacific. Lol

  22. Tom Welsh says:

    “If that was the case, the Trump team would provide a funding stream that would generate the innovations that would help US companies become more competitive in the future”.

    That sentence embodies a fundamental fallacy that pervades Western thinking today. Namely, money does not “generate innovations”.

    Intelligence and creativity, ideally in the right organizational framework, tend to generate innovations. Pouring tons of money into a bottomless pit just makes the recipients richer.

    And, by the way, the recipients are no longer – if indeed they ever were – the people who generate innovations. The USA was built, and has been owned and run for a long time, by people whose only expertise and interest is in money. Whenever someone intelligent and creative invents something useful, the money power swoops down and grabs it for its own profit. The inventor is left with crumbs or nothing.

    • Agree: anon8383892
  23. Tom Welsh says:

    “China is a corrupt, authoritarian government that hates freedom”.

    Mr Esper is well placed to recognize a corrupt, authoritarian government that hates freedom; after all, he works for one.

  24. Tom Welsh says:
    @Dr. E. Black

    “There is no “Elite”. It is YOU who VOTE for these incompetent lyers.
    Keep eating your chips and pizza and watch some more TV Series”.

    US citizens have no alternative but to vote for these liars (who are by no means incompetent in achieving their own personal goals, by the way).

    In every election there are two candidates, both of whom will carry out much the same policies if elected.

    US citizens will have no influence on government until the current system of party politics and electoral masquerade is replaced by something remotely resembling actual democracy.

  25. Methinks Mr. Whitney has become a case of the pot calling the kettle black. After decades of peronista preaching against free trade, suddenly he’s become all for it. Sadly, one draws the inference that he’s not so much for free trade as he is against anything that smacks of USA and/or industrial capitalism. Perhaps he was bullied in high school and/or rejected by the pretty girls who weren’t interested in his almost-certainly nerdy personality. Resentful lefty looking for love among los de abajo . N.b: I don’t live in the USA, haven’t for a long time, don’t much like what I perceive it as having become, but I wouldn’t be too quick to count it out quite yet.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  26. @Dr. E. Black

    “Ask the “Elite” if they vaccinate themselves.
    Ask the “Elite” if they eat food from any local supermarket….”
    And —
    “There is no “Elite”. It is YOU who VOTE for these incompetent lyers.
    Keep eating your chips and pizza and watch some more TV Series.”
    I kind of get the point here — we’re all slack, thus, we get the elite we deserve etc.
    There’s only one problem: usually politicians are merely elite representatives. If it wasn’t one political dog, it would be another.
    Sadly, the commentator doesnt seem to realise that the corruption of our democracies is systemic, co-ordinated & totally determined.
    Not that i totally disagree — we could/should be doing much more.

  27. @Tom Welsh

    Voting is just a waste of time. If our votes would count, we would not have the right to vote. Wasn’t it Mark Twain who once observed something in that vein?

    The only argument the elites understand is violence. Therefore we should always see to it they are afraid of the population at large. The moment the elites think they can do as they please (just look at how the police is equipped all over the world), life becomes hell, like today.

  28. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    I don’t blame you for begging for a moral compass at UR, having obviously lost yours, but the people here value theirs.

  29. There is a whole lot more going on here than most people can even begin to comprehend concerning Huawei. It is likely Huawei got inside Nortel with a little help from their “friends.” Nothing is as it seems, absolutely nothing.

    Read all about it here: https://abeldanger.blogspot.com/2020/02/you-are-entering-into-transparency-zone.html

  30. Tom Welsh says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    That comment was the finest example of psychological projection I have seen this year.

    Everything Gleimhart Mantooso says about China is, in fact, true of the USA and Europe.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  31. @Godfree Roberts

    I am not a China basher, in fact I look forward to its rise as a world superpower but your claim that;

    Thanks to China’s lead in chemistry, engineering and computer science, all its missiles–from A2A to ICBMs–are more accurate than–and outrange and out-punch–ours, despite their smaller defense budget.

    doesn’t strike me as true.

    Why are Chinese coming to the US to study in various top US schools and then going back as part of the ‘Thousand Talents’ program to spread the knowledge they acquired in America back in the motherland?

    How come China have only just developed their own in-house jet fighter engine? And even that was a painful process of reverse-engineering the Russian jet engines?

    The truth is that the US is in a precarious position, it is entirely its own fault and has nothing to do with R&D spending. America allowed China to become the world’s factory thus giving them the ammunition to spend so much on R&D in the first place.

    Boomer-tier Sinophobia is laughable, but so too is your extreme Sinophillia (although it is appreciated as one can obtain good information from extreme ends of the opinion spectrum)

    If the West really wants to contain China without starting a war, start by bringing manufacturing back home. They are all Western inventions anyway. Also start excluding racial foreigners from research projects, throw water all over the ‘Thousand Talents Program’ and prevent any Westerner from going to China to collaborate.

    The cold hard fact is that China is only here because the West let it. It may be too late but it is still worth trying to claw things back, it requires political will however as the PC crowd would be horrified at excluding ethnic Chinese from research projects. This delusion has cost America is lead, the delusion being that just because an ethnic Han is born in America and has a US passport, that he will be loyal to America which for all intents and purposes is still seen by all as a European nation, no Chinese actually has any real attachment to America on the blood and soil sense. They will betray America if push comes to shove.

  32. Realist says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Political correctness, intensified by 70 years of government and media lying about China, have made it almost impossible for us to honestly analyze our problems with that country, let alone correct them.

    The US is not concerned about security issues with Huawei…it is concerned about competition. Huawei is eating US competitors lunch.

    The US should drastically cut its military budget and increase spending on projects that further humanity.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  33. Realist says:
    @Tom Welsh

    US citizens have no alternative but to vote for these liars (who are by no means incompetent in achieving their own personal goals, by the way).

    That’s ridiculous…don’t vote. By voting you are giving greedance to the Deep State’s charade, that there is a two party system in the US.

    US citizens will have no influence on government until the current system of party politics and electoral masquerade is replaced by something remotely resembling actual democracy.

    You contradicted yourself.

  34. Realist says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Does anyone at Unz have a moral compass?

    Because people disagree with you doesn’t mean they are immoral…maybe they are just smarter.

    The Deep State appreciates your bootlicking.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  35. Antiwar7 says:

    Edmund Snowden proved that the US government inserts backdoors into communication equipment made in the US. They can’t do that to Huawei, which no doubt burns them up. Furthermore, anyone knows real security relies on end-to-end encryption (which the US has tried to ban, as well).

    Everything Esper said about China is false, but applies to the US in spades. Do they really think they can out-brazen everyone with their 180 degree lies? Apparently so.

    The US is the biggest bully in the world, a neurotic baby with nuclear weapons. They’re trying to ruin the world for the prestige and dollars of a few insiders. Who will save us from this monster?

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @GeeBee
  36. @Rabbi Zaius

    You stopped reading at age seven?

    • Agree: Delta G
  37. jsigur says:

    The USA, creating enemies where there was previously none and if you don’t follow our lead you are anti-semitic and anti- American
    ‘Freedom” is believing whatever we say. Hate speech is when you don’t and offer a counter argument

  38. 1. China is a thief (“Party leadership continues its rampant technology theft”)

    2. “Huawei and 5G are today’s poster child for.. nefarious activity”

    3. China is a corrupt, authoritarian government that hates freedom. (“History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom.”)

    4. China is a threat to the western “rules-based” system. (“The PCR seeks to undermine and subvert this system.”)

    Of course, all of these points are completely true, accurate and, if anything, softly understated. The PRC is a global parasite that has been able to develop into a colossus (that as yet may or not prove to have feet of clay) only thanks to copious industrial espionage, predatory trade policies and tyranny at home. And for anyone who thinks Huawei (and China’s version of Big Tech more generally) are not guilty of everything they are accused of, I know a guy who has a bargain deal in seaside property in Salt Lake City that you may be interested in.

    So, I would say the globalists are pretty much right about China. It’s just that they tend to forget to mention that literally everything bad they say about China also applies at least equally much to themselves.

    • Replies: @Delta G
  39. Antiwar7 says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Yeah, that’s why the Huawei products are better than the US ones. And why the Chinese currently have a rover on the far side of the Moon.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  40. @Antares

    Antares, check this out if you don’t already know it:

    “Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health” by Martin Pall, Environmental Research 164, July 2018, 405-16.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355

    (There’s free access to this paper including the PDF.)

    • Replies: @BDS Always
    , @SOL
  41. @Tom Welsh

    Great and true.
    In a nutshel it’s all
    Bread and Games 🙂

  42. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Change that Matters

    The “That’s anti-Semitic” types are not only coming for China, the vanguard is already there, making familiar noises:

    Shock & horror: Anti-Semitism spreads to China

    All right-minded people will be saddened to learn that the growing scourge of anti-Semitism has now spread to China. One Jewish writer says ‘I live in China, and in the last few weeks I’ve been alarmed at the amount of antisemitic propaganda being published by Baidu News. Baidu is China’s equivalent of Google, so it reaches a truly enormous readership, and is state owned.’ He goes on to cite two reports, one of which essentially denies that the Holocaust happened, and claims that the number of Jews really killed numbered only in the “tens of thousands.” Another article claims, wait for it, that ‘the Jews themselves have responsibility for the Holocaust for being too greedy and self-interested. The truth is that Hitler never slaughtered the Jews. Hitler broke the financial dragon egg in order to establish the values ​​of labor. He did indeed shoot a few financial oligarchs, but did not massacre the Jews.

    http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2019/03/shock-horror-anti-semitism-spreads-to.html

    China, better get rid of this infestation while you still can. BE very careful about who is in charge of your national bank and do NOT, under any circumstancs, let a certain group of slick international types slither into your MSM and take it over, including your major internet outlets or eventually, you’ll wind up like the USA, a former world power, decrepit and gutted from the inside by those who hate people more successful than they were.

  43. Former super- lobbyist Mark Esper : ” We must prepare … once again for high-intensity warfare… [that will mean great business for Raytheon , my actual employer ].” Endless wars , the fake war on terror and having enemies like Russia and China are great for business .

  44. Download this before they jank this of youtube.

    I got a copy

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  45. Klc Tan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Trump and his gang will shout that China can spend but they cannot innovate. They only steal, copy and hack.

  46. Miro23 says:
    @Tom Welsh

    US citizens will have no influence on government until the current system of party politics and electoral masquerade is replaced by something remotely resembling actual democracy.

    US citizens could also have their best interests represented by an autocracy (single person or party) rather than democracy. This person/party could clear out special interests and promote the general welfare in a way that current “democratic” politics clearly can’t.

    Real citizen’s democracy (as in Switzerland) is mostly local with local taxation/spending and continuous citizen participation. Plus little centralized federal power – nothing at all like the US.

  47. @Hans Vogel

    American industrial might won WWII. Without American Lend-Lease(before and during WWII) the Soviets(and England) would have had their ass handed to them by Germany.
    The problem is, America signed on to a one world government with the formation of the United Nations at the end of the second attempt to make the world safe for Democracy.
    The emptying out/de-industrialization of America started as soon as the globalist felt the global infrastructure was suffecient for the re-location of American industrial might off-shore.

    All we did by “winning” WWII was hand over half of Europe to the Bolsheviks, and begin the process where the rest of the world would eventually be handed over to a one world, communist style government to be run by insane oligarch’s and banksters. I’d say the plan is just short of completion.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
    , @Bill Jones
  48. “Huawei in the Crosshairs”
    Funny how the intended take down of China is never mentioned.
    https://medium.com/@BigPun/americans-will-probably-be-spared-the-worst-of-corona-virus-888c76909058

  49. @Tom Welsh

    What if they held an election and nobody voted?

  50. How about a simple no to 5G? It’s all about having the bandwidth to snoop on its users and making content providers rich. Oh yeah… forgot about the smart house angle. Plus there is some legitimate environmental and health concerns with respects to 5G. So here’s hoping ATT is backwards and the peculiar economic war with China keeps rolling.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  51. China’s historic destiny? When did the Fat Buddha die and left the chinaman in charge of the non-slanty eyed world? And speaking of technology, if it wasn’t for the White man’s benevolence for the last three decades, the yellow rats would still be in the stone age and starving.

    It wasn’t enough for you to be the manufacturing hub of the world and be rich in the process but you had to embark on a military showmanship to challenge the hegemon. So now pay the price, nay, a very dear price for ill begotten arrogance!

    P. S. The rest of the world may not prefer the Anglo-Americans but they certainly do not want the Chinese to be the next imperial power and you can take that to the bank!

  52. Why shouldn’t Americans have access to a superior product? A friend of mine bought a Huawei phone on a trip to Europe and he loves it. It takes fantastic pictures, has great sound, etc. Only simple people think Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc don’t have back doors and don’t gather their data. The idea of the “Government” protecting us from evil Chinese people should make people laugh but instead gets millions in a lather.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
    , @Nonny Mouse
  53. Alfred says:
    @The Alarmist

    Agreed.

    So the only true word in the quote was “to fry.” That will be our future.

    I am sure that if the West was ahead in 5G, there would be no articles about the health implications of 5G.

    Let’s face it, the microwave oven only came about because Raytheon engineers saw how their radar could heat up their lunches. I don’t think much research was made into its health benefits before it was marketed worldwide.

    BTW, I don’t know if the Raytheon story is true, but that is what I was told when I worked for them.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  54. @Big Mo

    “So Trump used a bio-weapon to solve his Huawei dispute? Makes sense. But what about the blowback?”

    The ‘blowback’ will be VERY profitable for Pig Pharma and Pig Medicine, as the CDC is already ‘warning’ us that there is likely no way to stop the corona virus from spreading in the USA, and a pandemic is possible. See here:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/02/21/coronavirus-who-contain-outbreak-iran-deaths-south-korea-cases/4829278002/

    Gosh, almost sounds like they’re looking forward to it……..

  55. The ZUS way of leveling the economic playing field was to attack China with the coronavirus and this also was an indirect attack on Iran.

    While China was helping countries build infastructure the ZUS was busy destroying infastructure around the world by invading and bombing the hell out of smaller nations.

    The ZUS is zionist controlled and is a predator county that would make Hitler green with envy!

    • Replies: @Alfred
  56. @Johnny Walker Read

    Sorry, you are mistaken. Can’t blame you, because apparently like most of us you have been exposed to a constant propaganda barrage about the ‘Good War.”

    The Red Army defeated the Germans and the US defeated Japan. By the way the Japanese advance into Siberia had already been stopped at Khalkin Gol by the far, far superior Red Army. The standard narrative is indeed that as you say “American industrial might won WWII.” Industrial might does not win battles or wars. Nor does sheer ingenuity and technical superiority. In that case, Germany should have won the war hands down.

    Military history just shows that wars are won on the battlefield, pure and simple.

    By the way, I agree with you that the US government has long been in cahoots with Commies, Reds, banksters and other riffraff.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  57. Meena says:
    @Just passing through

    Life hangs in a fragile balance and so does a nation . Small changes here and there eventually give rise to major changes affecting many areas .
    There is nothing intrinsically unique to US or China .
    Hubris, arrogance, entitled mindset , injustice and fall are the words that define US and will China also unless it learns from other dispapered powers of yesteryear.

  58. @Old and grumpy

    It is of critical importance to my continued existence that my kitchen pantry tell me that I am low on Twinkies, Oreos, Doritos, etc.

    Without 5G, many Americans might otherwise starve absent these oh-so-timely reminders……

  59. “Besides China isn’t interested in espionage, they have bigger fish to fry. “

    Started reading with an open mind. Any credibility you had went right out the window with this statement.

  60. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    1.China is a thief (“Party leadership continues its rampant technology theft”)
    ———USA is a thief, calling others thief, because USA knows exactly how it stole every technology and talent from the old world. USA is a spy, calling others spy, because USA spy the world rampantly. USA lie, USA cheat, USA steal, USA rob.

    2.“Huawei and 5G are today’s poster child for.. nefarious activity”
    ———-if USA owns Huawei and 5G, USA propaganda will make 5G the shinning healthy future light of humanity, which enable USA to continues the nefarious activities as USA did during 1G 2G 3 G 4G times.

    3.China is a corrupt, authoritarian government that hates freedom. (“History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom.”)
    ————USA is a corrupt(legally corruption is much more rampant corruption), authoritarian government that hates real freedom. (“History has proven time and again, though, that authoritarianism breeds corruption, promotes conformity, smothers free thinking, and suppresses freedom.” that’s exactly why USA lose the 5G tech competition. )

    4.China is a threat to the western “rules-based” system. (“The PCR seeks to undermine and subvert this system.”)
    ————–China is a threat to the USA “rules-based” system.(“The PCR seeks to undermine and subvert this system.”) Under this system, USA will rob Nokia & Ericson from EU very very soon, what can those little northern Europe countries do to protect their own industry pride? Not much. Mark my words, Nokia and Ericson, just like the nasty things USA did to French Alston, the nuclear-power giant got cracked and rob by USA.
    China refuse this USA rob the world ‘rules-based’ system.

    5.China “is heading …in the wrong direction.”
    —————it’s certainly a wrong direction for USA, for sure.

    6.The Pentagon’s “number one priority” is to “move away from low intensity conflict and prepare once again for high-intensity warfare.”
    —————-So do the Chinese defense forces. OK, let’s both get prepared for high-intensity warfare. Trade war, tech war, propaganda war… hell USA have even started the virus war, what else USA won’t do?
    China won’t be surprised at all.
    Just a kind remind, you are free to start any war, but you are not free to end any war with China.

    7.The United States is preparing for a war with China (“The Chinese government needs to change its policies and behaviors” or else.)
    —————-China is also preparing for a defense-attack war with USA. ( The USA government needs to stop its meddling policies and bully behaviors or else)

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  61. GeeBee says:
    @Antiwar7

    ‘The US is the biggest bully in the world, a neurotic baby with nuclear weapons. They’re trying to ruin the world for the prestige and dollars of a few insiders. Who will save us from this monster?’

    Amen to that buddy. As for your last question ‘who will save us from this monster’: I fear that we shan’t get a second chance on that front. America made ‘darned sure’ that the only threat to those whose ambition it was to control everything – as I believe Gilad Atzmon described it ‘to turn a promised land into a promised planet’ – was cruelly extirpated by 8th May 1945. It’s been ‘bye bye forever’ since that day.

  62. Alfred says:
    @Desert Fox

    Hitler did not destroy the cultural artifacts of the countries he invaded. True, his henchmen looted, but they did not wantonly destroy. Paris, Prague and others were left intact. It was the British and Americans that bombed Dresden.

    Just look at what the Americans did in Iraq. Wholesale looting of museums. Much of it is to be found in New York. You can guess (((who))) ended up with these artifacts.

    It’s Disturbingly Easy to Buy Iraq’s Archeological Treasures

  63. Victory to Huawei in the Battle of the Brands!
    Close the US’s back doors NOW!

  64. @Alfred

    That’s because Americans (with some exceptions, of course) have no sense of history. The US was built on the premise that it was outside history, the very negation, the cancellation of history, with the Declaration of Independence its principal ID. That is why Fukuyama could entitle his book “The End of History,” because the idea was that with the fall of the Soviet Union, US world domination would be unchallenged.

    That is why they envy nations that do have history: France, Russia, Iran, Japan, China.

    For a lucid description and shrewd analysis of this topic, see Jean-Philippe Immarigeon, American parano. Pourquoi la vieille Amérique va perdre sa guerre contre le reste du monde (Paris: Bourrin, 2006)

  65. In the end, America’s prolonged and stubborn attack on Huawei is only going to harm America’s own interests.

    It risks falling behind in applied technology, and a system like 5-G opens doors for other important advances.

    For example, the Chinese have demonstrated a medical operation conducted at quite a long distance, something only possible because of the speed and volume of information transmitted with 5-G.

    The US risks irritating all its allies, many of whom are already irritated by threats and demands about what they are allowed to buy and from whom.

    And since many of them are going to ignore American demands with Huawei, it really begins to erode America’s traditional international authority.

    It strains US credibility even farther because everyone knows the US is only doing this as part of a hybrid economic war against China. It is playing the big bully.

    Everyone knows that the US spies on everyone, with facilities from the NSA to built-in back doors in American technology and with the cooperation of Internet giants like Amazon and Google and Facebook.

    Huawei has been remarkably open about the accusations of spying, inviting experts to examine their technology and building countries confidence in it.

    America’s behavior speeds the day of Putin’s multi-polar world emerging, something already well underway through ongoing natural evolutionary changes in various countries and changes in technology and changes in patterns of trade and growth in some markets over others.

    And there’s the fact of America’s lack of competitiveness in many things. It sits arrogantly demanding that everyone help it pretend the date is still 1959. America refuses to get busy improving its competitiveness with hard work and lots of investment.

    Even its infrastructure is crumbling, but there’s always hundreds of billions for wars and coups which build and advance nothing.

    No, America thinks it can issue diktats to regain its position of 1959. That’s literally impossible, and America looks foolish pretending it can.

    Accusations of China’s stealing intellectual property are often incorrect and display ignorance about America’s own past.

    From the late 18th century through the 19th, America stole intellectual property from Europe on a massive scale – everything from new farm implements to books were brought home and copied with no royalties ever being paid.

    The set of actions around Huawei provides a rather fitting symbol for the US government at this time.

    A 21st century Luddite.

    • Agree: Delta G
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  66. @Just passing through

    Thanks to China’s lead in chemistry, engineering and computer science, all its missiles–from A2A to ICBMs–are more accurate than–and outrange and out-punch–ours, despite their smaller defense budget doesn’t strike me as true. Why are Chinese coming to the US to study in various top US schools and then going back as part of the ‘Thousand Talents’ program to spread the knowledge they acquired in America back in the motherland? How come China have only just developed their own in-house jet fighter engine? And even that was a painful process of reverse-engineering the Russian jet engines?

    Your skepticism is understandable, given that our government and media have invested, by rough guesstimate, a total of $100 billion since 1940 in misinforming, disinforming, underinforming us, and just plain lying to us about China. I’m acutely aware of this because I’ve spent the past fifteen years trying to warn my fellow-countrymen about the dire consequences of this campaign–to no avail. As you see, only in rare fora like this can such matters even be raised.

    The sinophobic CIA’s World Factbook says China’s economy is 30% bigger than America’s and grows 300% faster. Since China spends 2.5% of GDP on R&D and we spend 0.8%, and it has ten times more geniuses than we do, it is hardly surprising that it is ahead of us in many important fields.

    According to the the even more sinophobic Japan Science and Technology Agency, by 2016 China already led the world in math, engineering, chemistry and computer science and was neck-and-neck with the US in physics. The JSTA took the top ten of the most referenced studies in each field, and determined the number of authors who were affiliated with the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, China or Japan. China ranked first in computer science, mathematics, materials science and engineering. The U.S. led in physics, environmental and earth sciences, basic life science and clinical medicine. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-ties-the-US-as-the-most-influential-nation-in-science.

    In 2018 the sinoneutral Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence examined not just the number of AI research papers coming from China but their quality—as judged by the number of citations they receive in other work. The study suggests that China will overtake the US in the most-cited 50% of research papers this year, the top 10% of research papers next year, and the top 1% by 2025. China is already ahead in the number of AI patents filed, research papers cited worldwide, AI venture capital invested, and large AI companies. The number of Chinese students studying AI and graduating from universities worldwide exceeds the total number of all other countries’ AI students combined

    China is the world’s largest producer of scientific research papers, a fifth of the total global output, too. https://www.stm-assoc.org/document-library/

    As to the quality of their institutions of higher learning, the World Intellectual Property Organization, WIPO, ranked 167 universities and public research universities for the top 500 patent applications. 110 of the patents were from China, 20 from the United States and 19 from South Korea. China also dominates a global ranking of the most-cited research papers published in the 30 hottest technology fields. https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo_pub_941_2018.pdf

    So why are Chinese coming to the US to study in various top US schools and then going back as part of the ‘Thousand Talents’ program to spread the knowledge they acquired in America back in the motherland? Why not? They’ve got 300,000 people with IQs above 160, so they can send out a handful to learn in parallel with the vast majority who remain at home.

    In military matters, four nuclear powers have joined its defense league, the Shanghai Cooperative Organization. At their present rates of increase, Chinese and American military budgets will reach parity in 2028, as you see below. Of course, China gets at least 3x the bang for its military buck that we do, for scandalously obvious reasons.

    China’s land army is larger than ours, its morale vastly higher, and its people are much more eager to fight us than we are them. Its navy is larger and, if we include its auxiliary, many times so. The PLAN’s mastery of naval logistics is unparalleled: in 2018 it launched fifteen new warships and in 2019 it launched seventeen. It can now produce six submarines simultaneously from its new, purpose-built factory–the largest in existence. Even the US Navy visited its shipyards for a floating dock.

    Their 80 type 022 Houbei Class fast attack missile boats carry eight C-802 anti-ship missiles with 500lb. warheads that travel at 650 mph, fifteen feet above the surface to targets a hundred miles away (a single C-802 disabled an Israeli warship in 2006). Four such boats can cover the Taiwan Strait while sheltering behind China’s coastal islands. Thirty Type 056 frigates with a range of 2,500 miles armed with YJ-83 anti-ship missiles, eight SAM launchers and six torpedo tubes back up the patrol boats.

    Behind them are twenty Type 052D Arleigh Burke class destroyers. Their sixty-four missile tubes fire, inter alia, unique Yu-8s anti-submarine missiles that fly for twenty miles then release their torpedoes into the sea: naval analysts claim they are virtually undetectable until they plunge into the water near the target. Six Type 055 heavy missile cruisers (with another six in fit out), the world’s most powerful surface combatants, each with one-hundred twenty-eight tubes, carry surface-to-air, anti-ship, land-attack and antisubmarine missiles while, below the surface, seventy nuclear and conventional submarines carry YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missiles and wake-homing torpedoes that deliver five hundred pound warheads at sixty mph from fifteen miles away.

    To counter our aircraft carriers, their thrifty engineers attached a new guidance system to an existing land based IR missile and created a new class of weapon, the million-dollar DF-21D anti-ship ballistic carrier killer. It carries a half-ton warhead one thousand miles then drops it vertically, at 7,500 mph, onto $12 billion aircraft carriers. The USNI says it can destroy a carrier in one strike and that there is currently no defense against it. Its sibling, the DF-26D, has a range of two thousand miles. In 2019 Robert Haddick[1] warned, “China’s anti-ship missile capability exceeds that of the United States in terms of range, speed and sensor performance.” Captain James Fanell[2], a senior naval intelligence officer added, “We know that China has the most advanced ballistic missile force in the world. They have the capacity to overwhelm the defensive systems we are pursuing.”

    The CM-401, is a high supersonic ballistic missile designed for rapid precision strikes against medium-size ships, naval task forces and offshore facilities within two hundred miles. To destroy military bases in the region the PLAN relies on the larger CJ-10, a subsonic missile with a two-thousand mile range and a half ton payload that uses inertial and satellite navigation, Terrain Contour Matching and digital scene-mapping area correlation for terminal guidance, with a CEP[3] of forty feet. A longer-ranged anti-ship version, the YJ-100, can be air-launched or fired from Type 055 vertical launch tubes.

    J-20s fighter-bombers carry bigger payloads faster, higher, and further than America’s F-22 Raptor and release YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missiles that travel two hundred miles then deliver a thousand pound warhead in a corkscrew trajectory at supersonic speed. The Navy says that even against alerted warships, thirty-two percent of missiles score hits and a single strike will render any vessel inoperable.

    The J-20 also carries the specialized PL-15. Propelled by novel dual pulse rocket motors on a semi-ballistic trajectory, it homes on AWACS and airborne tankers loitering behind battle lines. In 2015 USAF General Herbert Carlisle told Congress that he can field two hundred F-22 Raptors carrying six missiles while China’s more numerous fighters each carry twelve longer ranged weapons, “Look at the PLA-15, at the range of that weapon. How do we counter that?” Following his testimony the Air Force canceled its E-8C AWACS recapitalization, explaining that they would be easy prey for the PLA-15.

    The PLA-15’s smaller sibling, PLA-10, is no less deadly, says ISIS airpower specialist Douglas Barrie, “For the notional Western combat aircraft pilot, there is no obvious respite to be found in attempting to avoid within visual range threat of the PLA-10[1] by keeping beyond visual range. In this environment also the PLAAF will be able to mount an increasingly credible challenge and at engagement ranges against some targets that would previously have been considered safe. As one former US Air Force tanker pilot drily noted to this author, ‘“That’s aimed right at me.’”

    How come China have only just developed their own in-house jet fighter engine? And even that was a painful process of reverse-engineering the Russian jet engines? Do you have any idea how long it took us to develop that technology? After we had absorbed the pioneering work of Frank Whittle and his German counterparts that began in 1937, Pratt & Whitney and GE spent more than 12 years developing prototypes of the F119 engine in the 1980s, followed by another 14 years of testing after the engine’s maiden flight, fitted to an F-22, in September 1997. Give them time but, in the meantime, they have superb Russian engines.
    _________________________________________________

    [1] The PLA-10, an air-to-air missile, has a more advanced guidance system and twice the range, speed and payload of the USAF AIM-9.

    [1] New missile gap leaves U.S. scrambling to counter China. Reuters. April 25, 2019
    [2] New missile gap leaves U.S. scrambling to counter China. Reuters. Apr 25, 2019
    [3] CEP, circular error probable is defined as the radius of a circle, centered on the mean, whose boundary is expected to include the landing points of 50% of a missile’s rounds.

    • Thanks: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @sally
  67. Bad China “resolving to eventually end its reliance on foreign innovation altogether, independently develop its own systems, and then dominate critical sectors and markets…. Huawei and 5G are today’s poster child for this nefarious activity”.
    And the core of the complaint against bad bad China is “independently develop its own systems, and then dominate critical sectors and markets”
    The West has reached the end of the line but Israel and the Zionists are the ones in the loop. Very soon they will choose sides and as always, they will choose the winning side. But the East is wiser than the West and will jettison the parasites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  68. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    China gets its tech from the U.S., and they steal it to do so??

    That’s a comforting meme, but utterly false, as my reply to Just Passing Through explains. There is no evidence in this case or any other that Huawei has stolen IP. It would be very strange if it did, since its R&D budget is bigger than all its competitors’ combined.

    If you check the WTO’s TRIPS database, or court records in San Jose, LA, NYC, Beijing or Shanghai you’ll find three interesting facts:

    1. China has never even been charged with stealing significant IP
    2. Chinese IP thieves rank #3-4 behind other nationalities
    3. The FBI has brought 10x charges against Chinese for IP theft than they have successfully prosecuted, and dropped 10x more than bigger IP thief nationals.
    See: http://cardozolawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Kim.40.2.6.newcharts.pdf

    There are no documented cases of significance anywhere and nothing that China has taken has been costly to the US. China is ahead of the US in basic STEM research, citations, innovations and in most technologies because China spends three times more than the US annually on R&D. That’s the awful truth our politicians are trying to conceal.

    There is, however, bountiful evidence that FBI agents get credit for bringing bogus cases against Chinese firms and for making bogus public announcements. “[We see China] us[ing] . . . professors, scientists, students [to steal intelligence] in almost every field office that the FBI has around the country. It’s not just in major cities. It’s in small ones as well. It’s across basically every discipline. . . . They’re exploiting the very open research and development environment that we have [in our
    universities], . . . they’re taking advantage of [this].” —FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, February 13, 2018.

    What does the actual record show?

    China ranks #6 in Economic Espionage Act (EEA 1831 and EEA 1832)convictions in the past 20 years and has a clean TRIPS record.

    If we tally up the number of court cases since 1996 charged under the USA Economic Espionage Act (EEA 1831 and EEA 1832) that favor USA and found guilty to ESA (not those phony “unauthorized access to computers” face saving charges) the USA come up top. By guilty I mean at least one of the defendants convicted by the judges or juries, or at least one of the defendants already committed suicide. If you plot the log-log plot of the number of cases against the nominal national GDP you will find a log-log linear relationship, i.e. they are just the normal consequence of competition in free market, even by absolute value or by per trillion nominal GDP the USA data came up top.

    A more interesting metric is how much “value” they got out of economic espionage wrt the amount of their R&D expenditure. The result might be more illuminating, bringing India ahead of China.

    Case Closed and Guilty on Economic Espionage:
    Rank NcasePerTrillionR&D Ncase Country
    1 2614.47 1 Vietnam
    2 749.25 1 Iran
    3 464.52 1 S. Africa
    4 161.61 3 India
    5 156.35 36 China
    6 143.57 73 U.S
    7 76.57 1 Israel
    8 66.08 4 S. Korea
    9 65.49 1 Russia
    10 41.89 1 Italy
    11 40.60 1 Canada
    12 36.03 1 Australia
    13 5.66 1 Japan

    A measure of the spin and victimization is the rate of the main Economic Espionage charges being dropped, not guilty.
    EEA 1831, 1832 dropped
    Rank | NCasePerTrillionGDP | NCase | Benefit Country | status
    1 | 0.4698 | 10 | China | Dropped
    2 | 0.1911 | 1 | Japan | Dropped
    3 | 0.1611 | 3 | U.S | Dropped

    Read the entire study here: http://cardozolawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Kim.40.2.6.newcharts.pdf

    You might also enjoy PROSECUTING CHINESE “SPIES”: AN EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS OF THE ECONOMIC ESPIONAGE ACT by Andrew Chongseh Kim, whose findings bear out my contentions.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  69. @Alfred

    My reference to Hitler in relation to the zionist controlled ZUS was in the invasion of countries without a declaration of war and the ensuing destruction of the infastructure of the countries and the killing of civilians and the wrecking of society, in this Hitler and the ZUS are one and the same.

    The ZUS is a demonic , draconian , diabolical and satanic predator nation.

  70. Delta G says:
    @John Regan

    So they do the same things the Europeans and Americans did and continue to do. So what. America has become the land of the dumb pig. It took 40 hard years to get this done but nonetheless it has been accomplished. There is no going back for the US. The Americans deserve it all. A few tried to stop the obvious catastrophe but the Pigs won.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  71. @Nonny Mouse

    Pretty much the same reason Canada’s blackberry was killed.

  72. Delta G says:
    @Alfred

    Not juuzz? Oh my. Anything for a Buck!

  73. Chinaman says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    How much technology have the USA stole from Nazi Germany or Europe ?

    Unfortunately, Stealing technology is not a pretext for war, you got to do better than that. Something a bit more creative like WMD in Iraq that even a child can see through.

    Killing their own people is REALLY getting old. How many times have used that? Everybody knows it is fake now,

    I will give you one. Americans need to start WW3 because Chinese eat their dogs and they eat bats. They are subhuman because Homo sapiens only eat beef. Definitely generate more hate than non existent WMDs and stealing tech.

    5G tech is homegrown and developed by China, we didn’t steal it since America is 10 years behind the curve. We can’t steal\learn from a country whose greatest invention in the last 10 years is the transgender bathroom.

    If you are so angry, why don’t you guys just steal the 5G technology? Most of it is open sourced. Too embarrassing, perhaps?

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  74. Delta G says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    I worked in Biotech, San Francisco Bay area. I personally know people at many Succesful Biotech Companies. They stole everything from the University Labs they were connected to. I published 100+ peer reviewed scientific manuscripts in Biology and Medicine. When l get notifications of recent citations of my work, more than 90% are Asian authors.

    America no longer does Science. Read Fred Reed’s articles and the recent book by the West Point law professor.

    Total destruction of the US took 50 years but it’s done now.

    The Money Changers have completed their takeover. Now on to China..

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @anonymous
  75. @Alfred

    I cooked a chicken by hanging it in front of a SatCom feedhorn, so I can believe it. My secretary thinks I’m a conspiracy nut because I refuse to use BlueTooth headphones.

  76. Step by step the US threatens Russia and China that respond with a strengthening strategic alliance.
    By the time the US wakes up to what they have provoked it will be too late.
    The entire US and its Anglosphere and EU vassals military strength cannot defeat Russia and China together.
    The US is charging down a blind alley – it cannot win but is determined to drag down much of humanity with it.

  77. @Hans Vogel

    It’s hard to win a war when your Army’s out of tanks, your Air Force is out of planes, and you have no money.

    My reason for writing this book is very simple: I would like to keep the record straight. I want to put in permanent form the full story of my experiences as a Lend-Lease expediter and liaison officer with the Russians during the war, when I served for two crucial years, from May 1942 to June 1944, both at Newark Airport and at the big air base at Grand Falls, Montana.

    I went into the Army as a businessman in my forties and a veteran of World War I. From the First, as my story shows, I worked wholeheartedly on behalf of the Russians because, like everyone else, I considered it my duty to do so. That they were satisfied with my efforts is indicated by the fact that it was Colonel Kotikov, head of the Russian mission at Great Falls, who requested my promotion to Major.

    But the tremendous volume of Lend-Lease material going through under “diplomatic immunity,” the infiltration of Soviet agents through the Pipeline, the shipments of non-military supplies and even military secrets, were more than I could stomach. I finally protested through proper channels, first in Great Falls, and then in Washington; nothing happened. This was in 1944, while I was still in the Army.

    When the atom bomb was first dropped in August, 1945 I learned the full meaning of a word – uranium – I had already encountered in my contact with Colonel Kotikov. When the President announced in 1949 that the Russians had the bomb, I went to see Senator Bridge and my story was thoroughly investigated by the F.B.I. as well as by Fulton Lewis, Jr., who interviewed me on his broadcasts. There followed one Congressional hearing in December, 1949 and another in March, 1950.

    I have been shocked at the efforts of the character assassins and press experts to keep the implications of this story from being brought into proper focus. A vicious attack was launched against Fulton Lewis, Jr., and the sniping at me has continued for nearly three years, in the vain hope that this story would never be evaluated and understood by the public. (Incidentally, I wish to state that Mr. Lewis has not seen the manuscript of this book, nor had any connection with it.)

    As late as June, 1952 the Long Island Daily Press falsely declared:

    “A Congressional committee, however, found no basis for (Major Jordan’s) charges.”
    On the contrary, three members of the Committee stated just the opposite. First there is the following summary by Senator Richard M. Nixon, Republican nominee for Vice President. His questions are addressed to Donald T. Appell, former F.B.I. agent and the special

    Major George Racey Jordan
    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  78. Right. Some narcissist has a right to tell a company in a foreign country what to do….you do realize sanctions don’t work, eh Crump ol’ man? But a narcissist is gonna do what a narcissist is gonna do…gee what if Huawei was Israeli? Thrump would be bowing down before it, with Crushner holding his kippa!

  79. @Rabbi Zaius

    Stopped reading at Rabbi…..what an asshole.

  80. d dan says:
    @Just passing through

    “Thanks to China’s lead in chemistry, engineering and computer science…”

    doesn’t strike me as true.

    What Godfree claims is true. See the following “Nature” index link which shows China’s lead in Chemistry:

    https://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2019/country/chemistry

    “Nature” index does not have category for engineering and computer science. But I have seen other survey of published and cited papers (can’t find the link now) that shows China’s lead in these areas, as well as in material science and artificial intelligence (ok, it is part of computer science).

    You can go to the Nature link to see that US still leads in several areas like physics and life sciences, but you will see that China is having double digits growth, whereas US (and most western countries) is having single digit decline. Further, hidden in the numbers is another uncomfortable fact: a large percentage of papers published in US are by foreigners, including Chinese.

    “Why are Chinese coming to the US to study in various top US schools”

    Why not? US is still leading in certainly areas. And even if US is no 2 or 3 in some areas, there will still be things that is worth learning from. The question should be why don’t more Americans learn Chinese and go to study in China? Laziness? Lack of competitiveness? Arrogance? All of the above?

    “The cold hard fact is that China is only here because the West let it.”

    I suspect you are not aware of the many historical events about how US and the West tried to sanction, isolate and slow down Chinese progress in science and engineering research. For example CoCOM (link below) imposed the strictest limit for China:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinating_Committee_for_Multilateral_Export_Controls

    Even today, you can still see there are efforts to technologically isolate China. For example, US veto China from participating in the International Space Station. Obama also banned Intel from selling chips for China’s supercomputer project. Huawei is just the latest high profile one that fits the historical pattern.

    So, no, China is here (scientifically and technologically) not because the West let it, but despite of the West’s efforts.

  81. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    The problem is that the parasites know this so they’ll try to destroy China (and Russia) before their own goyim farms become too weak.

    This is not some random (conspiracy) theory. The (((globalists))) are openly declaring that China and Russia are enemies of the New World Order and their actions against those two countries are unmistakably converging towards WW3.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  82. @Johnny Walker Read

    Selling some weapons is one thing, doing the fighting, the suffering, the dying and the winning is another. Of course I know the arguments about US weaponry and supplies.

    Still, the fact remains that the Red Army did most of the fighting and defeated the Germans.

    Of course the US military also killed Germans. Not on the battlefield, but mostly by massacring innocent civilians in ancient German cities and by starving and torturing German POWs after Germany had surrendered.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  83. d dan says:
    @Just passing through

    “…just because an ethnic Han is born in America and has a US passport, that he will be loyal to America which for all intents and purposes is still seen by all as a European nation, no Chinese actually has any real attachment to America on the blood and soil sense. They will betray America if push comes to shove.”

    What makes you think that white or Europeans will always be loyal to America? Didn’t they just arrest a Harvard professor (non-Chinese) for supposedly “selling out” to China?

    By strictly dividing the pie along racial line, you are falling into a zero-sum fallacy that will certainly handicap America’s competitiveness. The reality is that there will always be Han who prefer/don’t mind working for America, and there will be whites who prefer/don’t mind working for China. It will also be a function of funding and monetary rewards, i.e. free market competition. That is life. For the best interest of America, it should increase funding for science/engineering and expand opportunities for all, rather than bemoaning the loyalty or “low IQ” of a group or another (Chinese, Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics etc).

    • LOL: John Regan
  84. Japan and SK’s high-tech development was tolerated because they are puppets of the US.

    As China is not, US wants it to be the hands of the world, the supplier of labor, but not a rival in brain power because Chinese brain power, unlike Japan’s, will be independent of US control.

    US also welcomes Chinese immigration to turn Chinese-Americans against China… like the people of Hong Kong or the Hong Cucks.

    Some fear Chinese in America will spy for China, and while some immigrant Chinese(mostly males) may do that, most Chinese in US will serve the empire because East Asians are yellow dogs who suck up to whatever happens to be the main power. Look at Amy Chua, total whore of Zion.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  85. sally says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I agree. Washington hos created, granted tom and made feudal lords of the investors and corporations the investors own. they have done this by creating from hot think air, monopoly powers in the form of copyrights and patents. This time Wuawei beat Washington and NYC city mobsters at their own game.. Wuawei just patented discoveries as their research discovered them. {I want to point out that patents and copyrights are nearly 100% responsible for the loss of capability of America and Americans to compete in the world.

    Once in nearly patent free America there existed a true bottom up leadership that had no name, it consisted of a bunch of nobodies, but each week from the mass of nobodies a new somebody rose to power, because the leader of the week discovered or invented a product that put last weeks Mr. Big out of business. Each invention produced by nobodies, allowed the economy to produce cheaper products or deliver better services for less, Mr. big corporation could not compete. over night a new nobody would claim the stage for a while, while the old Mr. big giants died. (patents and copyrights stopped that competition that made America great). America was great when the governed competed with each for a viable product r service.. It was the USA that saved the monopoly powered corporations from competitive threats. How did that do that<= they placed puppet henchmen in USA government offices and at high places in banks, engineering firms, and universities, and bribed (lobbied) congress to make copyright and patent laws so strong that no one but MR. Big corporate could own them.

    To make America great again it is necessary to do five things.
    1. Wipe the slate clean of technology Phd programs and Masters programs at the Universities and move back to arts and sciences education.
    2. eliminate patent and copyright laws all together and make all forms of privatization of a government service or the grant of government contracts to private parties illegal.
    3. quit government or NGO funding any commercial development of patented technology. (make everything government funds open source,
    4. make the whole of anything a government dollars touches public open source property.
    5. close down the copyright and patent offices. through the key out and send the current employees to the moon for the duration.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  86. @Realist

    “The US should drastically cut its military budget and increase spending on projects that further humanity.”

    The US should drastically cut its military budget and increase spending on projects that further the welfare of US citizens.

    • Replies: @Herald
  87. @Johnny Walker Read

    90% of German divisions were destroyed by the Soviets.

    Go to a government school, did you?

  88. Chinaman says:
    @Delta G

    Do you see China taking a lead in this area? I feel like most of the frontier research is still done in the US regardless of the race. Are these Asian who cite your paper any good ?

    I am invested in a bunch of biotech funds, do you know one call Ikarian?

  89. @Delta G

    China and the globalist clique are both enemies, as I see it. Whoever wins, we lose.

    However, I wouldn’t altogether despair of America just yet. The old glory days won’t be coming back (or at least not in any great hurry), but there is still much left that can be saved, and provide a nucleus for a revitalized American nation. Indeed, current and emergent technologies offers much better prospects for this than would have been possible in a similar situation only fifty or a hundred years ago… even as, of course, they also offer us new and profound dangers to confront.

    Either way, no one is truly defeated until he surrenders. The enemy (all our enemies) would like nothing more than to see us become demoralized and passive victims. We shouldn’t give them that advantage.

  90. Chinaman says:
    @Priss Factor

    East Asians are yellow dogs who suck up to whatever happens to be the main power.

    I agree. The ones that move to the USA and who bow to Americans and racists like you are indeed yellow dogs. They are lower castes Asians and descendants of slaves. You can have them and use them as you wish. They are race traitors. mercenaries with no loyalty and will turn on their masters when they sense weakness. Give it another 20 years and see how they become a fifth column for China.

    There are also others who are not so subservient. My loyalty is always to my race. I rear several white dogs and eats them.

  91. @Tom Welsh

    That comment was the finest example of psychological projection I have seen this year.

    Wow, I’ve been gainsaid on the internet! It’s a first!

    Welp, looks like I’ve been wrong again.

  92. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    This is hilarious.

    Modern China is a Jewish model of society. Social Credit is just what the Jews wish they could impose right now on the West. It’s what Jewish Rabbis when they were culling their followers for breaching laws wished they had then. It’s a matter of time before that apparatus in China is used to destroy Chinese values. You can’t create the one-Ring and expect to keep it under control. You’d know that, faggot feckless Chinese, if you could see beyond the material. You can’t.

    The Chinese don’t need a warrant to surveil everything. They just surveil everything within social credit. The West’s oligarchs are slavering for a social credit system – for now they can only revert to de-facto social credit, and social credit curtailed by widely accepted constitutional limitations – which can and are waived in individual cases, but have to be observed at least nominally.
    The Chinese just send local police not SWAT.
    The Chinese are gassing hundreds of thousands of Tigers and flies each year https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/no-let-up-in-xi-jinpings-hunt-for-tigers-flies-and-spiders
    The Chinese cheat so much because like the Jews they’re a race of cheaters, and they actually have to punish students who cheat with 7 years imprisonment. Can you imagine that? 7 fucking years in prison for students who cheat, because cheating is so endemic. Why don’t we do that to Chinese in the West? 7 years in prison for Chinese who cheat in the West – which is 90% of Chinese College applicants. And apply the same to the Jews.

    China’s wars are coming. The Africans and Africa will do what African’s and Africa always do to colonizers. It will end very badly. It doesn’t matter how clever or hard-edged the Chinese think they are. It will end with miscegenation and all the crippling expenses of colonisation that the British and French and Germans and Dutch all experienced. Exactly the same. If China think they can run debt slavery on Africans without maintaining military garrisons they are even stupider then I already know they are.
    South East Asia are increasingly coming to hate China. The Philippines will come back begging once their Communist rebellion heats up again and the Chinese use it as leverage.
    Forget no-fly list, how about a no-train list because you didn’t let the PLA rape your wife because some bug-man said you fraternised with Uyghurs and you got put in a camp.
    That’s true, but police can be sued. Anyone ever succeeded in suing the Chinese executive?
    Yes, the United States has a border.
    Talking about fusion centres is a joke. China is one big mass fusion centre. In fact, China as surveillance state is meant to be the model imposed on the neo-feudalistic West.
    China wouldn’t exist if it hadn’t been determined to exist by the powers that be in the West.
    https://freedomhouse.org/blog/china-global-leader-political-prisoners
    “under Xi Jinping, the regime has rapidly expanded the scope of its repression, engulfing a numbing procession of lawyers, journalists, bloggers, women’s advocates, minority rights campaigners, and religious believers who have been detained, placed under house arrest, disappeared, or formally sentenced to prison.”

    In the United States you disappear if you get too close to Pizzagate or the Clintons or the FED or the secret societies. But again, it has to be covert. It isn’t just straight old style government knocks on the door at 3am. In China you disappear for what in the West just leads currently to a de-platforming. The China sympathisers would love to have China’s system, but they’re not going to be permitted to impose it without bloody civil war.

    It’s really hilarious how Jew and China apologists alike really really do think that everybody else in the world is a cretin. God sees through schemes of the wise, he knows their thoughts, to be wise today in a world of false wisdom – be a fool. Today’s Gospel.

    [MORE]

    China’s legal system is highly trusted? ahahahahahahahahaha.

    Find me a single contractor in the whole world who doesn’t make their nominated jurisdiction at the very least Hong Kong. No one wants to work in the Chinese legal system – because it isn’t a legal system. You’re hilarious.

    Of course the US legal system is corrupt as hell – but it’s still not as corrupt as China’s.

    What liars. It’s just pathetic. It’s absolutely pathetic. Jewish lying at least has a certain ‘elan’ and monstrous feasibility. They’ve learned that from trying to escape God’s wrath via the Talmud.

    The Chinese just lie like braying donkeys totally cut off from the Godhead since the Boxer Rebellion. The Chinese need to let their Jewish handlers do their lying for them – like Israel Epstein lied for Mao.

    Name a single deal in the last 20 – 30 years the Chinese haven’t trampled.

    – The Hong Kong deal was a joke. There isn’t a single principle or clause in that deal the Chinese didn’t break as soon as possible.

    – China in the WTO was a joke. Mercantilism and IP transference in order to obtain market access. That’s over.

    – China lied to Biden and Obama’s face in the Rose Garden that they would stop militarisation of the South China sea and Cyberwarfare intrusions – in fact since 2009 and that promise, 170million US Health records including DNA samples have been hacked and stolen.

    – Look at the China announcement on Technology. China said they wanted whole new technology standards in the middle of the Lightheizer negotiations. So the negotiations were totally worthless, and China lied during the negotiations.

    – China lied about the Paris Accord. You built a billion coal fired plants whilst saying you cared about climate change. Meanwhile you fund ‘Baizuo’ in the West to shut down western industry. China is an environmental cesspit.

    – Then China came out with Liu He and said they’re doubling down on state owned industries. It boggles my mind how this author and Godfree can think people are so stupid as to think that it’s ‘competition’ with state owned industries versus non-state owned industries. That’s just a promise to export deflation and over-capacity to the entire world. And it’s ‘competition’ with factories that run 20 hours a day stacked with 6 year olds. Yes, there are less now, buy only because of western pressure.

    I see comments that there is no Chinese IP theft. Really?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/health/china-nih-scientists.html

    200 different academic centres where Chinese ‘dual citizens’ just flat out stole everything they could get their hands on. 200. Just bio-medical. That’s one single sector. And it’s over 200 different institutions.

    They’re going to start getting hanged now that they’ve crossed the Jews.

    It’s going to get to the point where the Jews are going to ensure Chinese actually can’t be hired.

    https://fortune.com/2019/03/01/china-ip-theft/
    $225billion to $600billion of IP annually.

    And it’s not a linear curve because of how IP works. That’s just rape. And that doesn’t even include things like Hillary Clinton’s state department emails being ghost duplicated in China.

    China is going to lose the trade war.

    China couldn’t steal the IP for Space Force, so China will lose a war war.

    The United States is in dire straits – but that doesn’t mean China is a viable alternative for western society. It most certainly isn’t. Life under real social credit would be hell, and the Chinese government hate God, and they absolutely do hate freedom.

    I mean look at this:

    “Lü Gengsong: A writer and democracy advocate, Lu was sentenced in 2016 to a prison term of 11 years for “subverting state power.” The prosecution cited 11 articles he wrote for foreign publications that were critical of official corruption and abuse in China. Lü had previously served a four-year term on similar charges.”

    So in China you can be and are imprisoned for 11 years for ‘subverting state power’. Julian Assange suffered something similar – but it had to be covert.

    If that state of affairs actually did exist in the United States Ron Unz would be in prison for 11 years. Yes the US is just as bad. China bad too. Both bad.

    If China want’s to be an export country I guess they better learn to sell to themselves.

    And China is nothing more then the centre-piece of the Globalists plan to defenestrate the West, subjugate it, and enslave it under the same kind of social-credit system they’ve erected on the Chinese.

    No new marginal capital investment in the West since 2000.

    Well, play times over.

    China is not a viable model for anyone except China.

    The mood in Europe is darkening daily.

    I mean everyone in the whole world is just making a big bet that white people are simply going to continue to lie supine and get raped and exploited and lied to and subjugated. That’s not a good bet. It really isn’t. Chinese or Jew, who think Whites are decadent soft fools like pre world war 2 better change course.

    What a joke reading this absolute scheizer about China as Potemkin Village – can we please get some suitable imagery of little Asian children dancing around a Lotus garden playing Cello?

    Can we?

    The Chinese people are incredibly long-suffering hard working people. I really like the Chinese people. I really despise the organs of their government who think everyone is as stupid as they think we are.

    “harsh punishment of children due to zero tolerance”

    Because of blacks and hispanics. They should be flat out segregated because they destroy learning like they destroy societies. But even so.

    In China, the cheating is so bad you actually have to have prison sentences of 7, fucking, years, for your students including High School students to try and stop them cheating. And they still do it anyway.

    So spare us the bromides.

    There are still black kids and Latinos who won’t cheat who to Church on a Sunday.

    You can’t do a deal with Jews. You can’t do a deal with the Chinese. What happens when 2 cultures based on lying and subversion and brutality who can’t do deals without breaking them try and coexist?

    All of you, well, most of you, are going to burn in the afterlife, for eternity.

    Let see what happens in this earthly life. Jesus Christ is coming to slaughter the sinners. Corona Virus might send us all to him or down below to Lucifer whom the elites all over the world worship sooner rather then later anyway.

    None of this shit can last, and it won’t be permitted to last. It’s all happened before.

  93. @Adrian E.

    I have already said that I find the security reasons for not using Huawei 5G to be rubbish but I would be interested to know what evidence/reliable sources you have to back up your allegations about worldwide backdoors for US intelligence. What “US laws” you are referring to? They could hardly mandate technology designed to be sold to foreigners so they can be spied on!!! Which products are used for mass surveillance and how? Obviously the volume of traffic worldwide is far too great to do more than sample it with AI and even advanced AI is going to have problems with encryption. So I am sceptical. But please elaborate.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  94. @Realist

    Because people disagree with you doesn’t mean they are immoral…

    But cheerleading for a sorry crew of authoritarian psychopaths does.

    …maybe they are just smarter.

    Yeah, I bet that’s it.

    The Deep State appreciates your bootlicking.

    There was zero bootlicking of anyone or anything in my post. I hate the U.S. government. I have, in fact, wished for a violent—yes, violent—overthrow of same for years now, as there are far too many lowlifes running the show for any other. But, unlike the binary proposition of the average Unz-er, that doesn’t mean I have to adore China or Iran.

    Moreover, the bootlicking of other psychopathic entities on this blog is silly and naive. Most Unz-ers are a bunch of dumb-dumbs. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

    • Replies: @Realist
  95. @Chinaman

    They make good chop suey at least.

  96. Realist says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Yeah, I bet that’s it.

    Yeah…me too. Here we agree.

  97. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    China gets its tech from the U.S., and they steal it to do so.

    Maybe, but why risk the fallout if caught? They can get all sorts of tech and industrial secrets from our dear ally Israel and not worry about being exposed since Israel is given Carte Blanche to steal anything they want from the USA.
    Like stealth technology. Israel is in on the Pentagon’s J-35 project and surprisingly enough, China’s new stealth fighter, the Chengdu J20 looks similar to our J-35.

    Israel doesn’t have to worry about prosecution, since a very obliging Pentagon and Justice Dept will drop the charges, can’t embarrass our dearest friend in the ME!

    Governmental reports on Israeli spying

    Israel features prominently in the annual FBI report called “Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial Espionage.” The 2005 report, for example, states:

    “Israel has an active program to gather proprietary information within the United States. These collection activities are primarily directed at obtaining information on military systems and advanced computing applications that can be used in Israel’s sizable armaments industry.”

    It adds that Israel recruits spies, uses electronic methods, and carries out computer intrusion to gain the information. The 2005 report concluded that the thefts eroded US military advantage, enabling foreign powers to obtain sophisticated defense technologies.

    A 1996 Defense Investigative Service report noted that Israel has great success stealing technology by exploiting the numerous co-production projects that it has with the Pentagon:

    “Placing Israeli nationals in key industries … is a technique utilized with great success.”

    https://councilforthenationalinterest.org/?page_id=154

    Just don’t talk about this wholesale theft, because you’ll be accused of being anti-Semitic.

    • Agree: Wally
    • Replies: @Vidi
  98. lysias says:

    What is this “rules-based international order” the U.S. keeps talking about? What rules? The U.S. has long and repeatedly flouted the rules of international law.

  99. Realist says:
    @Chinaman

    I rear several white dogs and eats them.

    Just what do you mean…rear?

  100. @Wizard of Oz

    I have already said that I find the security reasons for not using Huawei 5G to be rubbish but I would be interested to know what evidence/reliable sources you have to back up your allegations about worldwide backdoors for US intelligence

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51487856

    Another reason the US doesn’t like Huawei is that it is a company that the US hasn’t installed backdoors on.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  101. eah says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Huawei as a potential 5G infrastructure provider raises eyebrows mostly due to concerns about espionage — the Chinese are known to engage in industrial espionage.

    Regardless of how much money and brainpower the US throws at 5-G, China will remain leaps and bounds ahead.

    Without knowing what metrics are used to conclude this, it’s impossible to evaluate whether it’s correct or not, even if it made sense to do so (it doesn’t, at least not yet) — and you provide no metrics.

    I’ve explained the 3GPP development process to you before, but you are either too dumb or too biased — probably both — to understand it: creation of the TS (technical standard) is open, and the resulting docs are publicly accessible; anyone who wishes can download and read them, or more importantly, develop inter-operable products based on them — no state entities are directly involved; it’s primarily companies — in part it’s a contest to get the most IP (intellectual property), i.e. patents, into the TS, which must be licensed to all on ‘fair and equitable’ terms — the Chinese, in particular Huawei, are more active in 5G standardization than in the past (4G, 3G, etc), and in terms of raw 5G-related patent count are doing well enough — but to assess the commercial value of those patents, you’d have to evaluate and categorize them — I expect QCOM has the most commercially valuable 5G patents; this was the case in 4G and 3G (preceding technologies also based on CDMA).

    So it makes little sense to say “China” is ahead in 5G — in fact, the most sensible way to evaluate that would be to look at 5G deployment, i.e. the existence of a 5G aether, and how this is leveraged to create economic value via e.g. the IoT (internet of things) — but it is way too early to judge that.

    There are also significant questions re the potential health risks of creating this 5G aether.

    I gave your comment (most of which was not relevant to Huawei or 5G) a LOL because it was about what I’d expect from you — you can be a China fanboy if you want, but you come across like a corny “homer” sports announcer.

    Congratulations to the Chinese for developing their economy so quickly, which appears to be greatly benefiting ordinary people in China — but as someone who has worked in high tech for a long time, approx 25 years in advanced mobile communication (2G, 3G, 4G, 5G modem development), to say that the US cannot compete with China is ridiculous.

  102. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    LOLOL… Yeah China stole 5G because the US doesn’t have it yet..?? As to the bio-tech friends you have… Ask them to honestly tell you how many “ethnic Chinese-Americans” work with them… Or better yet – go to any university and see for yourself… Guess what… Along with Koreans and Japanese – ethnic Chinese have the highest IQ’s in the world. This is no different than when Japan was catching up and getting ahead in some cases in the 1980’s. You heard all the same talk about Japan copying and stealing… And China was a supposed ally of the US… In any event China is much much bigger than Japan – and is under no compunction to submit as Japan had to (being a US vassal since WW2).

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  103. @The Alarmist

    Well “tech manufacturing” wasn’t so much outsourced. That was being taken over outright by Japan in the 80’s. The US then neutered Japan’s economy and tech sector (Plaza Accord and economic sanctions – respectively)… It then was taken over by Taiwan (who are ethnic Chinese and it is Taiwan companies that started the tech manufacturing on mainland China) and South Korea.

  104. @Adrian E.

    “The US has used mass surveillance against nominal allies (which it regards as a kind of vassals) for a long time. Most of these countries don’t feel strong enough to stand up against the US openly, but when there is an occasion to limit US spying, they will use it.”

    yeah the latest revelations in the past couple of weeks that the top Crytpo company for the 20th century was a front for the CIA and West German intelligence is not going win the US gov any more public relations victories either

  105. How times have changed! Once upon a time we were relentlessly pushing for free and fair trade. It seems we did that only as long as we had the edge. Now that China has indeed competed us out, we are crying foul. And for the world’s leading nation on spying on its own citizens and the world – including leaders of friendly nations – to claim that Huwaei is a security risk is rank tragicomedy, to put it mildly.

  106. @Just passing through

    Thank you for the link which can be taken as supporting one of my points, namely that, provided a country was alerted to nefarious possibilities, it should be capable of protecting itself.

  107. @Simon Tugmutton

    Great post thanks.
    The link is a very well put together piece of important information

  108. @eah

    I believe you know what you are talking about and are saying it straight (though always provisional in the middle of a UR thread : !). So, can US motivation for bullying alliesout of using Huawei 5G be boiled down to

    1. Concern that Huawei networks will actually be more secure than suits US intelligence,

    2. Aiding US corporations to get more of the 5G business?

    If I am right fortunately it means that whatever Australia gets out of the 5 Eyes arrangements is not going logically going to be in danger from adopting Huawei 5G. Right?

  109. Anon[665] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Have you managed to stick up for your race by having more
    . than one child as many of those Han you deride as descendants of slaves have done in the Diaspora? And how will you react to that precious son or daughter marrying a secular Jewish (cf. Amy Chua) or WASP (cf. Charles Murray’s wife last I heard)?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  110. antibeast says:
    @eah

    Congratulations to the Chinese for developing their economy so quickly, which appears to be greatly benefiting ordinary people in China — but as someone who has worked in high tech for a long time, approx 25 years in advanced mobile communication (2G, 3G, 4G, 5G modem development), to say that the US cannot compete with China is ridiculous.

    I beg to disagree. As someone who sold antennas to rural WISPs (Wireless Internet Service Providers), the US telecommunications industry suffers from a lack of industry standards due to the “free market” principle underlying much of the US economy. After Qualcomm invented CDMA, the EU-funded ETSI created GSM which was mandated as the official 2G standard for the whole EU, keeping CDMA out of Europe. Back in the USA, Qualcomm’s CDMA had to compete against GDM, TDMA and iDEN for the 2G market which resulted in a fragmented mobile telecommunications market. Imagine a mobile subscriber buying an AT&T phone which could be used only in GSM but not in CDMA networks. So Qualcomm had a big problem because the USA didn’t mandate an industry standard for 2G mobile telecommunications unlike the EU which mandated GSM, enabling mass adoption in Europe and the rest of the world. Guess which country came to rescue Qualcomm’s CDMA? China. Because the Chinese authorities didn’t want to depend solely on the Europeans, they allowed Qualcomm’s CDMA into China, provided they partner with a local company, ZTE. Another Chinese company decided to place their bets on GSM, Huawei. That’s how Huawei grew spectacularly ahead of ZTE, selling GSM network gear to developing countries which had adopted GSM but not CDMA. After 3G came out which was based on CDMA, the Chinese decided to skip 3G and make the leap onto 4G by developing their own 4G technology called TD-LTE. But Huawei felt that 4G was just a marginal improvement over 3G, so they bet the farm on 5G. And what about the USA? Intel, Motorola, Qualcomm, etc. came up with their US 4G technology called WiWAX which flopped thus forcing Sprint as the biggest WiMAX operator to adopt TD-LTE technology from China!!! And that’s how Huawei became the dominant supplier of 4G TD-LTE equipment to the USA, until the US government forced Sprint to rip out Huawei gear. To this day, one-fourth of rural WISPs use Huawei gear because the Chinese TD-LTE single-frequency time-division duplex technology is better than the European FD-LTE frequency-division duplex technology.

    That’s the real story.

  111. Zumbuddi says:

    Recall the notable New Yorker bio of Haim Saban where he said “I’m a one issue guy … Israel”

    The article mentioned that his California house was loaded with Middle Eastern archeological artifacts.

  112. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Delta G

    America can no longer afford science (just like it can no longer afford education, health care or infrastructure) because “defending” the world with our military is too expensive.

  113. SOL says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    Do we really need 5G? Just to keep the illusion that our economic system is growing and sustainable? I’d rather the US focus on preparing realistically for the future than trying to offer a competing system to China, and who knows what will happen with China as a result of the coronavirus.

  114. denk says:

    By all accounts, [[[fukus]]] is in panic over the massive Chinese lead on 5g, Washington is pulling out all stops to kill Huawei…

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-to-yellow-cake-a-tragedy/#comment-3715696

    Really makes one wonder if the tsunami of 5g hazards warnings coming out of USA is a ploy to derail China’s 5g roll out …..while the murkkans are playing catch up ???

  115. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    As we have seen with the coronavirus, globalization brings death and destruction all over the world. I am looking forward to the coming complete decoupling. It’s time for the US and China to go on separate ways. We need to produce more of what we consume, they need to consume more of what they produce. Goodbye China. And please, take back all your people who are now in the US, and stop coming over here.

  116. Chinaman says:
    @Anon

    Of course…3 kids…

    Amy Chua is not Chinese, she is Filipino. They are not my people once they turn their back on their country. Why she even identify as Chinese is inexplicable to me. My plan is to make sure my kids stay the fuck away from white people until their hormones settle down. I think miscegenation is a bad deal for Asians. you corrupt the bloodline with lower IQ and these half breeds gravitate towards a white identity.

  117. Chinaman says:
    @showmethereal

    Minor correction…. Japan and korea IQ is not that high. They never rank high on PISA. Zhenjiang province in China which have the population bigger than Korea have the highest IQ in the world, it is 115.

  118. ivan says:
    @The Alarmist

    It is not the Western financial elite who are worried about the rise of the Huawei bandits. If anything they will do everything in their power to help the Chicoms crush Western manufacturing. It is more the Minutemen those who can see a little ahead and those have red blood in their veins who care about independence and self reliance who are doing what is necessary to stop the Chicoms. Ask anybody who knows a little about science and engineering and they will tell you there is nothing new in 5G. Greater miniaturization and more antennas for sure but nothing intrinsically new or even evolutionary. It is a packaging of hardware and software to achieve a new level of service. But for precisely that reason there it is imperative that no further hollowing out of the engineering and technical skill set in others be allowed. Trump is doing what is necessary. Policy wonk Obama would get derailed by the razzle dazzle put up by the likes of Tim Cook.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @denk
  119. ivan says:
    @Hans Vogel

    How many countries have China defeated? I recall the ‘punishment’ given to Vietnam in 1979. By all accounts it was more painful for the Chicoms than for the Vietnamese. Right now things in China’s neighborhood have not risen to the point that the other countries decide to call the Chicom bluff. But when it does you can be sure that we will let them know how we truly feel about them.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
    , @Desert Fox
    , @denk
  120. TRM says:
    @Alfred

    Look at when China fell. What happened? The opium wars. Totally devastated the country, culture and people for a century. Who profited from it? The East India Company and Europe’s royalty and financial elite.

    The Chinese still call it “the lost century”. They have long memories and will not forget.

  121. @sally

    Let me add to your utopia:

    Paid advertising prohibited.

    Legislate that a corporation is not a person so cannot personally own shares in another corporation.

    All corporate acquisitions of others over the last 50 years to be reversed by divestments

  122. TRM says:
    @antibeast

    Good and accurate recap of the short, but very interesting, history of wireless.

  123. @Phony Jazzconservative

    There’s no superior product to 4G. A point is reached where the development is complete. Adding frills, unwanted services for “things”, proves this technological development is complete. Move on. Innovate.

  124. @Phony Jazzconservative

    Sorry, yes. If Huawei 4G phones are superior, as they are certainly more secure, get one!

  125. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    ‘Chinaman’ is a Jew in yellow face, trying to do what Jews always do and cause hostilities between other races.

    It’s actually hilarious – he baits pretty well, admittedly. ‘My loyalty is always to my race’ – well of course.

    It was Jews who caused the Boxer Rebellion.

    It was Jews who flooded China with Opium via the Sassoons.

    It was Jews who advised Mao to conduct the cultural revolution and destroy almost all of China’s priceless artifacts and history.

    It was Jews who advised Mao to starve the peasants in order to use ‘surplus grain’ to buy useless weapons from the Soviet Union.

    [MORE]

    Chinese should know – almost all of the most heinous actions undertaken by their leaders was done so under the auspices of Jewish handlers.

    Sidney Rittenberg advised Mao, Zhou Enlai, and Zhu De. Notice anything about the respective policies of Mao and Zhou Enlai? Problem, solution. So familiar.

    Israel Epstein was Mao’s chief adviser during the revolution, and he served on the Standing Committee of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference.

    If you read Mao, the Unknown Story, by Jung Chang and read about all the outrages Mao inflicted on the Chinese, the Chinese need to realize that was done to them because of handlers like Israel Epstein and Mao’s handlers. Destroying all the smelts to make pig-iron. Destroying all the pigeons causing a plague of vermin the pigeons predated upon – etc. The self-condemnation ceremonies.

    The West is already starting to see the same echoes of the same phenomena at our late stage of subversion as well.

    Jews have been in Kaifeng since 960. It looks very much like Chinese were working with Jews on the COVID-19 Virus. It wouldn’t be surprising if Jews played their usual ‘dual citizenship, dual loyalty’ tricks on the Chinese and some Hakka or Kaifeng Chinese Jew betrayed the Chinese for the sake of the Jewish people.

    It wouldn’t be the first time. It was the Kaifeng Jews who distributed the Elias Sassoon opium all throughout China. After receiving it from Elias Sassoon to make up for the East India Company trade imbalance with China. Note I didn’t say England. I said the East Indian Company – very different things.

    The struggle of the Chinese under Mao was the same as the struggle of the Soviet people under the Jews who destroyed Russia – and it’s ongoing. Putin’s constitutional changes are profound and come almost a century after the constitution of Russia was broken into pieces by the Bolsheviks. Putin is play a dangerous double game, he is an extraordinary man.

    If you read Jung Chang you also learn that Mao was a missionary from OSS. And Robert Lawrence Kuhn has been handling various Chinese leaders for years – he’s a Kuhn of Kuhn Loeb level power. That’s extreme power. And he was part of the permanent political class in Washington that has been seeking to break America and re-establish the centre of the NWO in China for decades. He advised Hu Jintao. He’s led literally thousand of M&A’s that broke America’s industry and sent all of it, alongside all it’s IP, to China.

    China only exists as it does today because they were incorporated into a plan that existed since the 50’s, and western elites have been conspiring for decades in managed decline, led by the party of Davos. The Social credit system in China is the social credit system that is to be forced upon the peoples of the West. We’re all to be slaves to the lowest common spiritual denominator of the low IQ little criminal conniving Uriah Heaps like ‘Chinaman’.

    They are covering all their bases too – Eric Striker would know, with his plans for ‘National Bolshevism’. Which isn’t going to happen. The United States will either restore itself demographically, or it will break off into separate states, with the American people forming a constitutional Christian-nationalist Republic.

    And the CCP have been facilitated by China’s Jews of the clans Ezra, Shimon, Cohen, Gilbert, Levy, Joshua, and Jonathan. That’s also in Jung Chang – it’s not like it’s a conspiracy.

    Reading Wild Swans is as sad as reading Dostoevsky. For the same reasons.

    You are hilarious, Jew. You sound like a parody of a cliche. ‘I eats them’ – confirmed Larp.

    I think the Jews have gone too far this time.

    I think the Chinese aren’t going to simply absorb the constant attacks. They attained too much agency and independence. They know who their assailants really are – and it isn’t the American people or Europeans getting hit by the same virus as the Chinese. Hundreds of people in Italy are dying now – the cradle of western civilization. Little towns and grottos being shut down. Italy is a poor country in the end and it will struggle. If it’s in Italy, it will be in Spain, across the ranges in France. If France, Germany, if Germany, into the East and so on.

    Even Israel now thanks to the South Koreans.

    https://repository.arizona.edu/handle/10150/282422

    The Jews are everywhere in Chinese history, manipulating and destroying. Read this book – once you know the Jewish Sino clan names, you see their hidden hand, causing civil war in China as far back as the Sung dynasty. They were there centuries before Marco Polo.

    I hope you keep baiting ‘Chinaman’. Someone should turn this into a copy-pasta and respond to every one of Chinaman’s retarded Larping posts with it.

    Beautiful Chinese poetry. It will be a blessing when China removes Jews from Hollywood. You have one last generation. Spielberg might get away with what he did, in this life. Everybody knows what Hollywood do. Him and his will be replaced, and/or simply ignored.

    I love how Cao Zhi’s story echoes the binding of Isaac.

    The Jews destroyed as much as they could possibly find during the cultural revolution using Chinese students the same way they use American students in cultural marxist centres of filth and perversion and intellectual decrepitude like Berkeley. And now they’ve worked hand in hand with the Chinese to flood the Mid-West with Opium. More misappropriated white guilt.

    American history destroyed statue by statue the same as China was destroyed Palace by Vase.

    The actual Chinese will be reopening the records of Dong Zhuo. This is a cruel people with a cruel, dark history, and their worst episodes of suffering, just like for the Slavs, just like for the last Christian white generation of world war 1 and 2 were fomented by the Jews and their Masonic, Luciferian friends. We see you. All of our noble ancestors alike, destroyed, on guns and opium, and by the diplomatic machinations of your intermediaries. There won’t be a fucking sequel. Lol. There really won’t be. Try it. Just try to do what you tried to do in Virginia one more time.

    The greatest generation of men ever conceived died on the killing fields of Jewish Vickers in Europe, put there by Masons.

    And Larping Jews will be put in the place of the Proper Nouns in Dong Zhou’s annals. “I invest in Ikarian and rear white dogs” Lol. Sure you do, and if actually do, of course you do. No real Chinese person would say such a retarded set of sentences, low IQ Jewboy. You eatS dogs. Because a real Chinese person would use a plural on eat, to sound retarded, like you.

    How many of you little weird creeps were there at Goldman Sachs. Too many. You hirsute balding obscene conniving evil little worms larp as Americans about as well as you larp as Chinese. Dominating the party of Davos along with everyone else. Your new world orders, all converging in on themselves will never form.

    The Chinese man struggling in Shaanxi province is no different to the neo-slaves struggling as the new peon class in Appalachia.

    Everyone is going to get theirs. Everyone. It was all meant to be risk-free. It isn’t risk-free. No it certainly isn’t risk-free. Not in this timeline. Everyone will get theirs. In this life, and the next. All the liars.

    Jesus Christ rules the heavens, and every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus Chris is lord. And everyone will burn, either above or below, on this sordid earth. All the Princes of this world, will bend the knee, and there will be no hole deep and dark enough, or perch high enough to hide.

    Tell us more Jew about ourselves. Please. Tell us.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Thanks: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Chinaman
  126. Antares says:

    Over 100 years a Chinese historian will write: “I don’t understand the western arguments against zionism because it has worked so well for us.”

    Over 200 years a Chinese historian will write: “I have finally understood the western arguments against zionism, but it’s too late.”

    The latter text was replaced with: “We have finally learned how to become multicultural,” and the original writer was shot.

  127. @TG

    “we do have massive government funding streams for industry: it’s just for the financial industry. ”
    And the “defence industry….security industry, & prison industry, & big Ag, & private intelligence, & ….

  128. @The Alarmist

    “The Huawei brouhaha is a fine example of the Western Oligarchy waking up to smell the coffee and realise they’ve hollowed out Western tech manufacturing so severely that we hardly make any of the equipment…”
    Absolutely.

  129. @antibeast

    Thanks for this information, antibeast.

  130. @ivan

    The US is on the road to its implosion by the “good works” of its Criminal Elite and Deep State, not by the rise of the. Chicoms or any other power … they’re just going to fill the vacuum left in the wake.

    • Agree: Biff, Mike P, Desert Fox
    • Replies: @ivan
  131. @ivan

    Wasn’t it the Chinese writer Sun Tzu who said that if a state has to send its army into battle, it is already proof that it has lost, because armies are most effective when used as a deterrent, and perceived by the state’s opponents as not to be confronted?

    But when it does you can be sure that we will let them know how we truly feel about them.

    If by “we” you mean the US, you will lose for sure. As I said earlier in this thread, the US is utterly incompetent from a military point of view.

    • Replies: @ivan
  132. @Hans Vogel

    I know who did the fighting and dying, and I also know who provided the arms and equipment for the Soviet Army, and that would be the good old US.
    The two principal belligerent powers were Germany and the Soviet Union, along with their respective allies. Though never engaged in military action in the Eastern Front, the United States and the United Kingdom both provided substantial material aid in the form of the Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union.
    Like I said, the Soviets would have had their ass handed to them without supplies given to them by the US and UK.
    The transfer of American technology to the Soviet Union started long before WWII and exploded with the enactment of Lend-Lease March 11, 1941.
    By the way, I agree with Patton when he said we should have kicked their sorry ass all the way back to Moscow while we had the chance.
    As for you, you should be more careful as your “man crush” on Putin is showing.

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  133. denk says:
    @ivan

    Dont be too smug gloating on China’s woes, Washington’s elites brook no competition, period.
    Whether its the Germans in ww2, the Jp in the 80’s .

    Remember how [[[they]]] killed off the Canucks bOmbardier jet program and BLue Berry ….You think [[[they]]] would allow an exception to their ‘Aryan cousins’ in the subcon ?

    China’s woes today would be [[[India]]]’s pain the day it gets its act together and become a ‘threat’ to the great satan.

    • Replies: @ivan
  134. @ivan

    China fought the US to a standoff in the Korean War, do some research.

  135. @Desert Fox

    By the way in the book Colder Then Hell by a Korean War veteran Joseph Owen, a Marine Corp officer who fought along side a Chinese American officer in the Korean War , said this Chinese American was one of the best combat officers he served with! This book can be had on amazon.

  136. denk says:
    @Desert Fox

    Yes.

    Single action rifles vs carbines, tanks, artillery, jets, bombers and…..bioweapons, no less.

  137. Rdm says:
    @Alfred

    I didn’t realize India as a country existed at 1000 AD?

    British overload would be very devastated to hear that.

  138. denk says:
    @ivan

    How many countries have China defeated?

    For a start, you can ask your daddy, they thought China was an easy picking back in 1962 and got their ass handed to them,

    [MORE]

    ‘ I recall the ‘punishment’ given to Vietnam in 1979. By all accounts it was more painful for the Chicoms than for the Vietnamese.’

    By VN and western accounts you mean ?

    The PLA routed the VN and with Hanoi in sight, decided to withdraw , mission accomplished, exactly like what they did in the 1962 war with [[[India]]].

    UNlike VN and western propaganda, Chinese accounts did an objective assessment, they reported considerable
    casualties in the campaign, cuz the VN had the advantage of terrain.

    After that, [[[Indians]]] were so impressed by these western agitprop they sent their brass to VN trying to get some tips from the military genius LOL,

    ‘ Right now things in China’s neighborhood have not risen to the point that the other countries decide to call the Chicom bluff. But when it does you can be sure that we will let them know how we truly feel about them.’

    In 1962,
    The Chinese made a mistake thinking that their magnanimity would begets good will, looks like they were sorely mistaken on IndiaN mentality, which aint too far off from their ‘aryan cousins’ in the west.
    On hindsight, May be they should’ve finished off this festering sore back then, once and for all.

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/strong-anna-louise/1963/letters_china/ch08.htm

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Showmethereal
  139. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank you for spending the time to write 1400 words of vitriolic diatribe ( including video links!) to try to expose my identity. Mr Anonymous 353 ( who do no wished to be exposed). You can actually just check my previous posts. I have been remarkably candid and consistent throughout my time on Unz.

    Not the first time someone said I am a Jew. I guess it deserves a response and I will just have to say that I am fine you project your hatred against Jews on me. What is important and what you should realise is that your comments reflect more on you and your beliefs than on me and I am just a mirror. You don’t know anything about me and it doesn’t matter. I am honestly not aware of the intricate relationship between Chinese and Jews that goes back a century. However, what is undeniable is that the current America hatefest against China extends beyond just Jews but across the whole spectrum of Whites. That hatred have being a unifying force in the US. Democracy have always about finding someone to hate, hating the rich, hating the immigrants, hating minorities …

    Your hatred runs deep.

    Better sort out those issues before you go on a mass shooting spree in a synagogue or black church. I can’t decide I hate white people more or just Jews. You guys all look the same to me.

    Btw, sorry for the typos, it might be the dyslexia, senescence or my thoughts running faster than I can type on an IPad.

    • Thanks: bluedog
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. Mike P says:
    @Chinaman

    Zhenjiang province in China which have the population bigger than Korea have the highest IQ in the world, it is 115.

    IQ is to intelligence what body-building is to real weightlifting.

    Most of modern science and technology has been created by whites. That doesn’t mean other races couldn’t do it – it simply means the ball is in their court, and it will require more than IQ scores to bat it back.

  141. @Johnny Walker Read

    the Soviets would have had their ass handed to them without supplies given to them by the US and UK.

    “What if” reasoning is not part of history.

    Besides, according to your line of argument, it is not the party that uses certain tools and materials that wins, loses, has success or not, but the supplier of those tools and materials.

    Thus, Germany and Italy, not Francisco Franco and the Republicans, won the Spanish Civil War. The Dutch won the 1640 Portuguese war of independence against Philip II, Nazi Germany won the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, etc.

    Very interesting!

  142. @Antiwar7

    Huawei products are Chinese made crap, and they steal their tech from vastly superior White people. That said, I am so proud of the Chinese for finally making it to the moon, even if it wasn’t a manned mission, like the one we did half a century ago while they were “reeducating” people.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  143. @Godfree Roberts

    Argumentum verbosium + convenient cherry picking + mere gainsaying

    It is an inarguable fact that the Chinese steal our IP by the bucketload. You’re making a damn fool of yourself.

    You are a Chinese propagandist. Are you at least getting paid by those psychopaths?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  144. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    Let see what happens in this earthly life. Jesus Christ is coming to slaughter the sinners. Corona Virus might send us all to him or down below to Lucifer whom the elites all over the world worship sooner rather then later anyway.

    Do they actually give you too much internet time at your psychiatric ward?

    What brand of cult Christianity you subscribe to where Jesus Christ slaughters people, sinner or not ? So the raptures is actually a slaughter ?

    You fail to see irony that it is the devil who will be rejoicing with schadenfreude at the demise of millions of innocent people.

    At least Jews made some sense and talk a good game…you sound like a nut.

    • Replies: @anon
  145. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Jews control the US media and are responsible for the hysterical anti-Asian racism in it. If you had any common sense you would know Jews are mortal enemies of Asian people. Who the hell do you think the elites of America are anyway? Its a combination of Jews and Anglos.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  146. @Tony Hall

    Well if you apply the sort of logic used by the British government in the Skripals’ case, you could say that “They have form”*, “It is highly likely”** and “There is no plausible alternative explanation”***. And so, obviously guilty!

    *Korea, 1950-53, UN report.
    **Far too many simultaneous coincidences for it to be a coincidence.
    ***Why would the Chinese develop a virus which seems to preferentially attack East Asians?

  147. @The Alarmist

    It seems that the problem with Huawei equipment is that it does nothave backdoors and Trojan horses built in, which means that if Huawei kit were used extensively, it could make the whole eavesdropping equipment that NSA has invested in obsolete. I have also read a remark by one correspondent, that a Chinese friend of his, an engineer for Huawei in Europe, said that the Belgian government had arranged with Huawei to have a couple of backdoors built in to their stuff sold in Belgium. I suppose that would be too infra dig for the NSA to contemplate?

  148. Chinaman says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    I agree. The Asians will always be inferior to Whites, the pinnacle of human evolution. Their IQ test scores + PISA+ SAT are higher only because they cheat. They can never innovate and will only do as they are told. They are 50 years behind in our technology so there is nothing to worry about.

    Godfree should shut the fuck up and be censored ( I sincerely think so) since he makes people feel bad about being Americans and lower their self-esteem. Americans people don’t need to know all these facts.

    Yes, China need most 2 digit IQ Americans like yourself to think that So we can buy time to surpass the US. Too bad your elites have already caught on to that.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  149. @Chinaman

    You Chinese propagandists are too sensitive. You need to accept the fact that only weak-minded people believe anything you have to say. You’re a nation of psychopaths. Thieves. Liars. Incompetents. You went full-tilt commie for crying out loud. Losers to the core. You are, of course, free to carry on with your denials, but you could save yourself some time and trouble by understanding that I am imperious to your crap. You’ll probably start a war with us someday, and when you do, we can finally rid humanity of you sorry people. And while we’re in the neighborhood we’ll take care of the Norks for free.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Vidi
  150. ivan says:
    @denk

    You think I care about my ‘Aryan’ countrymen in India denk? Those guys especially from Gujarat have only one model. Buy everything from China and stick a Made in India label. To be sure they have quite a number fooled with their nationalistic fakery . Man I may rail against Chicoms but Ive not come across a true blue Maoist at all. But you can find numberless Gujjus full of crap. As to your point I don’t care to have any kind of manufacturing dominated by any one country. Your point about Bombardier is valid. But note that as a result Airbus was able to get a free lunch. The A320s are just modified from the Bombardier designs.

    • Replies: @denk
  151. ivan says:
    @denk

    Its just one war denk. Mao went for a feint Arunachal Pradesh in the East when the real target was Aksai Chin in the West. Since Aksai Chin is a frozen wasteland Nehru settled for the deal. He was a modernisng leader who wanted to concentrate on development. And the only reason you have Tibet is that the British in their heyday decided to keep it a buffer with the Tsars. They could have taken it with chalk and attached it to the Raj if they had wanted to.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
    , @showmethereal
  152. ivan says:
    @Hans Vogel

    I am an Indian, Vogel.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  153. ivan says:
    @Desert Fox

    Who is disputing that if as Mao wanted to field a 200 million strong human wave army they can make a dent? Yes everyone knows that MacArthur was fired because he wanted to use the A Bomb. But try the human wave now and see how far you get. The Chinese dumb fucks went through another one of their mass psychosis convulsions and largely got themselves slaughtered . But for what purpose ? Do the Koreans love them? When the Norks collapse they’ll remember who to thank for all the shit they endured.

  154. @Chinaman

    Ever since I started playing with an exaggerated 115 average Ashkenazi IQ on the best H-bd site many years ago I have gone on sharpening my critical faculties and your 115 for a province prompted inquiry. So far I have found by Googling – and spent far too much time on –
    https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S209580991630947X?token=758F036ECA4DC72C85CEF3CB5F157B2631F63648C4DBF697D2BD6178B580F8FB2410AC6AC41C5AEC3446DD626D2CF8AF

    It introduced me to the concept of Intelligent Cities and the City IQ Evaluation Systems versions 1, 2 and 3. Only 3 could have produced your 115 for Zhenjiang and it did nothing of the kind so it’s back to you to explain (please) your figure.

    Of course I appreciate that at least part of you is engaged in intelligent trolling and/but I shall follow you, hoping to learn from your inevitable non trolling contributions.

    I do, for example, take your hyper racist sallies as counter provocations to the nutters on UR. Should I not really take you to be an Anywhere Man in contrast to the (sometimes loftily derided) Somewhere Men? (It is indeed strange that an intellectually upmarket site, which UR in part is, contains no significant discussion of the Anywhere/Somewhere distinction attributable I think to David Goodhart).

    I note BTW that your allegedly not understanding why Amy Chua identifies as Chinese as careless. You are treating all your readers as if they were thick WNs. On your own (racialist – let’s get back to the old-fashioned terms) terms you know perfectly well why she identifies as Chinese.

    Your three children and as-if-native English makes me curious. When sitting on a plane from Hong Kong next to a 17 year old girl from Shenzhen travelling to Australia to study I was intrigued to learn that she had a sister. Explanation: “my father’s a businessman”!! What circumstances of time, place or occupation explain your three children? (Which I applaud).

    If you are genuine in your distaste for miscegenation I would be intrigued to know why. My experience in my extended family has been, as an Anywhere person, entirely satisfactory. And you must know that your children, unless perhaps their IQs on several tests measure above 180 won’t, in the academic environs they will undoubtedly spend time in, have any trouble finding suitable mates from other out-of-Africa homines sapientes (flavoured with Neanderthal and Denisovan …. and there is now another super ancestor of 700,000 years ago but setting all this parenthetical stuff aside in favour of old fashioned Eurasian racialism and forgetting for the moment up to 140 years of dysgenic breeding**)

    ** Protestant and purely secular Americans and Europeans got on to the dysgenic breeding fostered by birth control, women’s education and the welfare state well over 100 years ago. It occurs to me that China’s one child policy was also dysgenic. What do you think? I still think Australia is going to be one of the few flourishing democracies in 50 years time as theft of IP will be seen to be much less important than the inventions millions of bright Chinese and educated upper caste Indians devise for us (even if patent licenses have to be paid for for 20 years). And even if its now 5 per cent each of Chinese and subcontinental origin Australians are not mostly the 3 plus sds IQ people of their national origins it will be good enough to make a multiracial modern (not too multicultural) democratish society work.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Chinaman
  155. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    GM,

    You’ll probably start a war with us someday, and when you do, we can finally rid humanity of you sorry people.

    But by that time who will WE be? Not some monkey nation of blacks and browns perhaps? And you’d still be willing to be a patriot turning nukes on some other instead of on ourselves?

  156. Vidi says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Argumentum verbosium + convenient cherry picking + mere gainsaying

    It is an inarguable fact that the Chinese steal our IP by the bucketload. You’re making a damn fool of yourself.

    Dr. Roberts gives evidence, citing global institutions like the WTO. You say “I don’t need no stinkin’ evidence for my accusations!” Who will people think is more honest?

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  157. @John Chuckman

    Now that was a good read.

    Great comment.

  158. @ivan

    Regarding the India-China relationship, I am reminded of the saying by Mexican President Porfirio Díaz a century ago: “poor Mexico, so far from God and so near the United States.” (Pobre Méjico, tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos)

    • Replies: @ivan
  159. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    It’s just ridiculous.

    You certainly have the reflexes. Every single criticism means the critic is going to shoot up a Synagogue.

    Wear a red hat – that means you want to shoot up a synagogue.

    Tell any truth to diversity of any nature – shoot up a synagogue, another Holocaust. Even the Chinese.

    A little kid pointing his fingers – future terrorist, shooting, blah blah blah.

    It’s so stupid and tiresome.

    [MORE]

    It’s simply remarkable anyone ever took it seriously.

    No.

    That’s just wrong.

    It’s quite obvious white people don’t hate Chinese. If they actually hated Chinese, there wouldn’t be a single Hapa child in the whole world. There would be the kind of laws China has against non-citizens buying property.

    I mean, this is how nonsensical your accusation is. White hate, apparently doesn’t even rise to the level of ‘reciprocation’ of Chinese legal racial policies regarding land title.

    You can see white people admiring China on this website! I admire China!

    It’s just so incredibly tiring when every single truthful utterance stated about any non-whites is always, without fail, treated as a prelude to shooting up a Synagogue/temple/town hall whatever. That’s precisely why people are simply not going to care anymore.

    If you say that a man isn’t a woman – that means you’re going to shoot up a Synagogue or shoot up a Chinese Mandarin only Town-Hall meeting in California.

    It’s not an honest statement, it’s just an attempt to engage in control.

    https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1974986/why-do-chinese-students-think-its-ok-cheat

    Chinese people do cheat. They cheat at a rate that I’m pretty sure even the Jews would balk at because it’s so risky.

    Cheating is now officially a criminal offence in China. Students found guilty of cheating in the notoriously difficult university entranceexam will now face up to seven years in prison.

    7 years in prison for cheating – do you know the equivalent in common-law systems? That’s a jail sentence for manslaughter.

    It’s not just the gaokao – it’s the SAT, the GRE, and a whole host of other exams. An estimated 90 per cent of all recommendation letters for Chinese applicants to United States universities are fake. Some 70 per cent of application essays are not written by students, and 50 per cent of grades transcripts are falsified

    How many white children have been barred from attending the Colleges they merited because of this kind of cheating?

    What do you expect white people to do? To praise it? To like it? Please – rob more of our children of their birthright and their future. Take my wife, please, rape her. Put me in a camp, I’m begging you. I talked to a Uyghur once.

    The second reason that Chinese students cheat is because they can. Here, the cheating services are as much to blame as the testing services, organisations like College Board, which owns and administers the SAT and for years has been recycling old material from previous tests to save a little money

    In March, Reuters reported that, since 2013, there have been at least eight occasions in which test materials were compromised, but the SAT went ahead and administered them anyway.

    What are white parents to do when confronted by these facts?

    And then Chinese people sue Harvard for discrimination. I don’t hate Jews – given these facts it’s remarkable they even allow a single Asian on campus.

    You DO cheat on your SAT’s – it’s literally documented.

    And you DO cheat on your IQ tests. That’s also documented.

    You guys don’t understand. People are being put into positions where they literally have no choices. What choice does the State Department have now?

    Okay, so you’re Chinese, not Jewish. You have a very Jewish reflex, which is to take any kind of criticism, and they say that the critic must be mentally imbalanced, and must be wanting to shoot people, and that telling the truth is ‘hate’. If you oppose 90% cheating you are going to shoot up a Synagogue.

    No, it isn’t hate.

    This is deeply, perversely, grotesquely unjust. White kids especially right-wing kids are gaslighted and told they’re too backward and hick to go to College – and look at what they have to deal with.

    Extrapolate to national economies and it’s the same.

    And it simply can’t continue.

    And when the Jews do it, it’s actually worse. But similarly – that can’t continue.

    It’s precisely if the people telling the truth are gaslighted and given the Communist ‘mentally ill’ for being politically incorrect designation that the scope of choice narrows.

    That’s what Jung Chang talks about in her book – she has photos of College hate ceremonies where Chinese officials or academics or students denounced by the party had to engage in self-condemnation and then were beaten to death. In the West we have ‘implicit racism’, and the beating to death part comes a bit later.

    Very clearly and obviously, I am sympathetic to the Chinese people. I’ve worked with them, lived with them. I’m not bitter even though they robbed me personally. Despite the fact, that their cheating and their theft has caused untold harm to my own people. I still empathize with your historical experience.

    But that empathy is not exhaustless.

    And based on what you’ve been told – of course you should hate Jews. Look at what they did to China under Mao. And today we see parallels in America. Ritternburg talked about how the Chinese were perfect human material for the kind of social credit society they envisaged for China. Constitutional Christian America has required wholesale population replacement to move up the curve.

    Asians ‘DO’ have lower IQ’s then whites. That’s documented. It doesn’t matter, I’m just tired of Whites being told they’re stupid hicks who want to shoot up a Synagogue for telling the truth. Telling whites they’re going to shoot up a Synagogue for telling the truth doesn’t mean they’re going to give up their guns Chinaman.

    In Britain, if you point out that 19,000 white girls got raped last year by non-whites, as findings ‘in addition to’ all currently documented cases, you go to prison for hate speech.

    At some stage you just realize that appeals to any kind of objective metric whether it be on a moral or a scientific basis are simply worthless.

    So, to conclude. Chinese people cheat, Furthermore, they cheat. So stop feigning outrage when people state a truism.

    Sigh.

    Sometimes I wish I was really low IQ.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  160. Vidi says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Like stealth technology. Israel is in on the Pentagon’s J-35 project and surprisingly enough, China’s new stealth fighter, the Chengdu J20 looks similar to our J-35.

    I think you mean the F-35.

    China’s J-20 is nothing like the F-35, other than being about as stealthy as the U.S. money pit. For instance, China’s fighter jet has two engines, the F-35 only one. The J-20 has canards, the F-35 does not. And so on.

    Accusing China of stealing intellectual property is what Americans do to salve their own incompetence.

  161. Vidi says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Wow, two proposed genocides in a single comment. That must be a record!

  162. denk says:
    @ivan

    Chalk it up to an murkkan own goal.

    BUt you’r evading the point…..

    The fukus ptb will smack down any competition, even when it comes within [[[the family]]], never mind some distant ‘aryan cousins’ in the subcon.

    Your’r fine now as long as FUKUS need you as cannon fodder, like [[[they]]] did in 1962.

    The day India become a peer competitor to the hegemon, [[[they]]] would’ve no qualm going for your jugular , the way they are doing to China today, to JP twenty years ago, to Germany in WW2.

    • Agree: Mike P
  163. denk says:
    @ivan

    Anna Louise Strong made it very clear that you were the agent provocateur in 1962, doing the bidding of your anglo masters.

    Why do you keep telling bald faced lies here and make yourself the laughing stock in front of the world.

    Are you a masochist or something ?

  164. @eah

    to say that the US cannot compete with China is ridiculous?

    “Cannot” is too broad. Of course the US has the intellectual and financial resources to compete but, in addition to having much less of each, it lacks the political will and government competence to marshal its resources. In that limited sense, them, the US cannot compete with China.

  165. @antibeast

    Many thanks for that timeline. Most helpful!

    I answered @eah from a different angle and you’ve put the cherry on the argument.

  166. ivan says:
    @Hans Vogel

    LOL. You understand our situation. But its worse, Diaz didn’t have the US triangulating against Mexico with a sworn enemy like we have in Pakistan. Whatever one thinks of the US, the Americans don’t have the native low cunning to adhere consistently to the utterly cynical posture of the Chicoms: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. China has not been punished enough by the rod of God. Not by a long shot.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Desert Fox
  167. All empires are evil. No real difference between Chinese and Americans. And what about the English? Isn’t it sad that Indians are now speaking and writing in English, the language of their colonial masters? I would at least switch to Hindi or another language: French, German, Russian, Spanish or Italian. Each one more beautiful than English, and with a great literature.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Malla
  168. Chinaman says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    https://kknews.cc/game/rq94vkx.html

    Here’s where I got it from. It is apparently from a 2005 study done by the government to correlate Iodine levels in urine with IQ. Unfortunately, I have not being able to find the original paper. Zhenjiang IQ is 115.8 on the chart. Beijing is 114. All the usual caveats apply on these numbers. My own take is that this is about as accurate as Richard Linn’s original numbers. ( which was not very accurate).

    We can also use PISA score to estimate IQ. Shanghai’s PISA score was 580-600 across the 3 domains in 2012 and at a standard deviation of 100 and global mean of 480-500, it would suggest a IQ of 115.

    Yes, it’s Shanghai( close to Zhejiang) so I am cherry picking but that’s the only reliable numbers I have. It is not going to be far away from 115 as HK, Singapore all score in that range as you know . On that basis, the Jewish IQ of 110-112 is more of a suspect and subject to much more selection bias. ( I am not the first to suggest the holocaust raised Jewish IQ). Israel consistently score in the middle of the pack in PISA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  169. @Anonymous

    Do you have percentages of Chinese students cheating vs other countries’ students applying for student visa?

    Just curious.

  170. denk says:
    @ivan

    China has not been punished enough by the rod of God. Not by a long shot.

    [SIC]

    oN judgement day, your ilks better be prepared to answer some serious questions from your maker…

    THE GENOCIDE OF NAGALAND XTIANS
    ———————————————-
    Thousands of houses, churches and schools were burnt down and dismantled.

    Many women were raped on the pulpit inside the Holy Church.

    [MORE]

    Innocent civilians were reportedly tortured by high ranking army officers up to the extent of burying alive after third degree torture.

    Pregnant women were kicked and abused and were reportedly forced to give birth in front of the Jawans.

    …………………….

    https://www.quora.com/Will-Nagaland-and-Manipur-get-freedom-from-India?share=1

    • Replies: @ivan
  171. denk says:
    @ivan

    Nehru was a modernisng leader who wanted to concentrate on development.

    [SIC]

    Nehru the pacifist on Nagaland independence..
    ‘ “We want no people in the territory of India against their will and with the help of Armed Forces. We want no forced marriages or forced Unions. This Great Republic of India is free, friendly and affectionate Union of the States of India (Cheers)”.’

    But when the Naga leaders sent in their formal request for independence…

    Nehru the hyprocrite
    “The Naga territory lies between two huge countries, India and China, Inevitably, therefore this Naga territory must form part of India and Assam

    ………………
    “Whether heaven fall and India goes into Pieces and blood runs red in the country, whether I am there or anybody comes in, Nagas will never become Independent”.

    Then he sent in several divisions of the
    dreaded Assam rifles to wage a genocidal war on the Naga xtians.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ivan
  172. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    Then why doesn’t China support Naga independence from India? China is scared of India lol.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
  173. @ivan

    The ZUS government is the most diabolical, demonic, draconian, satanic government on the earth.

    • Replies: @ivan
  174. denk says:
    @anon

    China always adheres to its declared
    NOn interference policy to any country regardless of its size.

    India has interfered in everyone of its neighbors affairs, Nepal, BHutan [became an INdian ‘protectorate’], Sikkim [absorbed outright], Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Maldives.

    None of them ever complained about ‘Chinese interference’.

    Are you telling me China is scared of Bhutan, or Nepal….?

    What a moron. !

  175. @Chinaman

    Hmmm… Any IQ rank I see ranks Koreans and Japanese right up there. I purposely said ethnic Chinese because it is not just the mainland – but also Singapore – HK – Macau – Taiwan that rank at the top.
    South Korean youth tend to do better than Japanese on PISA… Either way you cut it they are both in the upper echeclon.
    That said I do agree that the sheer size of mainland China means it has more total intellectual power.

  176. @Desert Fox

    Some would even dare say China “won” its portion kf the war. As i have heard miltary analysts describe the war – North Korea beat South Korea…. The US coalition then beat North Korea … Then China beat the US coalition… Which left the boundaries where they originally were.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  177. @denk

    Yeah it is very interesting that in 1962 China was able to secure down to where it believes is the corrected border and then after securing it decided to retreat back to the infamous Mcmahon Line. I have read analysts that wrote that the Chinese leaders did not want to be looked at as aggressive and figured that once India saw that they could be routed – they would negotiate a formal settlement. As we see that didnt happen. Similiar to Vietnam in 79 – but of course for a different purpose. Seems Deng gave up on that ideal when the Chinese navy routed the Vietnamese navy off the Paracel Islands and said effectively “thats it – game over”…??

    • Replies: @denk
  178. @Showmethereal

    Agree, however if MacArthur could have won the war if the zionist controlled ZUS would have let him bomb the bridge over the Yalu river and the supply stations on the Manchurian side of the river and allowed the airforce free reign over Manchuria , but the zionists wanted the war to continue, just as later they did in Vietnam and the Balkans and in Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and Syria, the zionists are warmongering satanists.

  179. What are you talking about? China marched through South Tibet aka Arunchal Pradesh. They willingly decided to go back. 1962 was a complete defeat for India. Why did China only keep Aksai Chin should be your question…
    As to the British in Tibet. Sure they were doing what they normally do. There is a reason the British didnt try to take all of China like they did all of India. Your prejudice is clouding your thinking. The British were happy with their port concession s. They didnt want to be bogged down for years like Japan ended up being in the 1930’s and 40’s (as some Japanese generals warned would happen).

  180. Chinaman says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    We all come here for a “virtual” experience, to discuss things we can’t talk about in real life. There is a lot of erudite people amongst the commentator and I think most of these thinking people come here for the truth, not some version of “we hold hands and sing kumbaya” BS. Ron Unz has created a platform where Truth is valued and anything goes. We are not here for pleasantries, right? I don’t know how many times I have heard (unprovoked) calls for genocide of the Chinese or other brown\black people. Now, how often can you have a discussion with a person who wants to kill you and family in real life without that conversation ending in bloodshed? Honestly, I am fascinated by these people. Call it race-baiting or trolling but to bring out the white beast inside these people and get into their head is an utter dream for any student of human nature. It is like observing animals in the wild.

    I lived in Melbourne for many years in the 90s. I was racially abused and have to suffer all kinds of indignities during my time there. Australians are the most racist people I have met. much more so than white Americans. I am not bitter at all and I don’t like to complain about it. That’s the way it is in a multicultural society. we call each other epithets, act on stereotypes and blame problems on the other group. Now, that’s what happens when there is enough to go round for everyone. When there is not enough, the veneer of civilization is just a few meals from being peeled away. Look at the riots in America. Looking at human evolution, genocide is in our blood. Most anthropologists agree that we wiped out Homo Erectus and the neatherdals. Me and you probably split 50k-80k years ago and had a common ancestor in Central Asia. Not sure there is enough genetic differentiation yet to kill each other yet but I guess that depends on the circumstances than on genetics.

    Having said that, there are many Australians who have been nothing but great to me. This might sound like a cliche but it is about the individual and his upbringing at the end. I have lived and worked with, fucked with white people all my life. I have many white employees working for me and some are absolutely great people. Once in a while, they do try something cute and I put them back in their place. I can’t talk to them about this shit of course. I have many friends amongst white people and probably feel more affinity with them than with some Hubei farmer who can’t speak mandarin. Ultimately, I agree that race is not a very important concept and easily overshadowed by personal relationships. e.g. I will kill any Chinese if they try to fuck my Brazilian girlfriend.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @anon
  181. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    And now the Chinaman is showing Jewish reflexes again by using elite subsets and pretending they’re representative of averages.

    Jim Flynn demonstrated that Chinese average IQ is 97 verbal and 100 non-verbal based upon norming of previous work done by Richard Vernon. Richard Vernon wrote “The abilities and achievements of Orientals in North America“.

    Vernon presupposed that Asians had superior average IQ – but he was wrong. Because he used Lorge-Thorndike tests that were a) obsolete and b) had been normed to Americans of 1953, not their 1968 contemporaries.

    Are China still using Lorge-Thorndike tests that aren’t normed? Lol. Yip totally 115 IQ my guy. Totally.

    Going back to Chinese average IQ per Flynn, it was based on a 1966 class at Berkeley and all of the IQ data that existed which he then NORMED to get an AVERAGE.

    If we took the average IQ from, say, MIT and excluded the Asians (because let’s stop pretending they’re American – lets stop pretending the Jews are American as well) you’d also get a pretty different version of American IQ then the average which is brought way down by blacks, hispanics, and all the diversity etc.

    And that 66 class was the most elite representation of China you could possibly imagine – every person handpicked to best represent the flower of Asian youth. And they were still on average lower in IQ then their white contemporaries.

    https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1385217/are-chinese-students-smarter-or-testing-system-rigged-their

    It’s ludicrous.

    It’s like the cheating and lying nature of Jews and Asians and Africans is a molecular fractal. Every time you intersect with any of their activities, you are invariably sucked into a lumintherous ether wind of cheating particles. It doesn’t matter, eventually if you look, you find it.

    Whites have ignored it in the past – but they’re not going to ignore it anymore. Cheaters are going to go home, or go to prison.

    China doesn’t use national data for it’s PISA rankings. That’s pretty important, because in rural areas, less then 40% of children actually attend school.

    So yeah cool, Shanghai has an IQ of 114. Great. What’s the average IQ in Boston Massachusetts?

    ………

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @showmethereal
  182. Herald says:
    @Just passing through

    I am not a China basher

    Followed by a page of China bashing, now that really is laughable.

    • Replies: @denk
  183. Herald says:
    @Bill Jones

    The US should drastically cut its military budget and increase spending on projects that further the welfare of US citizens.

    Not until it makes some adequate recompense for the massive mayhem and misery it has caused the rest of the world and its own indigenous peoples.

    It can make a start along this road, by drastically cutting its military budget and by increasing its spending on projects that further humanity, as well as repairing the global environment. It has much to do.

  184. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    What’s the average IQ in Boston Massachusetts?

    We have it… Using 100 as the standard deviation for the PISA scores, Massachusetts IQ is about 106. It is very good for whites. The usual 1/2 standard deviation gap is still there. You can’t argue with biology.

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-United-States-MA.pdf

    I don’t want to hijack the thread and talk about differences in IQ. I think most commentator rather talk about Chinese genocide than some theoretical construct. The subject have been beaten to death and getting old. There have been thousands of studies after 1966 and if you want to take that one study as a reference. All the power to you.

    I was not the one who claim Chinese have the highest IQ. White scientists did. I didn’t believe it too so I did my OWN test on a bunch on 100 Ivy leauge Phds using non verbal APM test when I was hiring. The distribution was bimodal. One peak for chinese, one peak for whites. Look, let’s drop this. You are out of your league here on this subject.

    Honestly, I personally believe PISA is the best reference for real world IQ given the sample size and stakes involved. Now, can we get back to Huawei and genocide of the Chinese ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  185. @antibeast

    A friend with a large blog, Greanville Post, wants to reproduce your comment outlining the history of mobile development beginning, “. As someone who sold antennas to rural WISPs (Wireless Internet Service Providers), the US telecommunications industry suffers from a lack of industry standards due to the “free market” principle underlying much of the US economy. After Qualcomm invented CDMA, the EU-funded ETSI created GSM which was mandated as the official 2G standard for the whole EU, keeping CDMA out of Europe. Back in the USA, Qualcomm’s CDMA had to compete again…”

    How should he credit it?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  186. @Chinaman

    I am disappointed, and that’s an understatement, that you were subjected to racial abuse in civilised (If trending fashionable Green left in recent years) Melbourne even in those far away 90s. My guess is that part at least was because, unlike today’s Chinese, you couldn’t afford to live in the high SES centre and inner East and SE but lived where, in more recent years some Indian students have been assaulted. One doesn’t have to be a black druggy to make a neighbourhood unpleasant.
    Part of it at least?

    I have several young blood relations who are half East Asian (and mother was not from a Diaspora). They started at local state schools and are now at upmarket private schools doing well academically and all very popular. It helps I suppose to be at least quite goodlookung and very athletic.

    BTW I belong to a club in Melbourne of which Mao’s last dancer is a member as is, also, a rabbi. Please come back and enjoy Melbourne. You can get my address from Ron, Steve Sailer or John Derbyshire.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  187. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    You haven’t experienced raw anti-Asian racism until you’ve met American blacks. Ask any Asians unfortunate to live in or do business in ghetto neighborhoods, nothing but assaults, robberies and outright racial harassment by blacks towards Asians. That’s why I have zero sympathy for American blacks and cheer everytime they get shot by police or by each other. I piss on all their graves.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  188. @Montefrío

    Lying and bullying seems to come as second nature to you; is that why you were forced to leave?

  189. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    I’m out of my league am I?

    Your comment is indicative of exactly what I mean.

    Massachusetts, presumably including Cambridge and Boston, will be full of individuals attending the Ivy League who must at least have an IQ of 120 to be there. Additionally, many of the sample will be Asians.

    So Massachussets data presumably must include outlying non-urban areas within the state to be only 106 – which the Chinese data quite deliberately does not include. It is not like for like.

    I’m not going to provide personal information about expertise, but suffice to say, I have never ever seen a so-called ‘bi-modal distribution’ of IQ between whites and Asians. In a variety of institutional and commercial settings.

    Again, your Ivy League PHD’s say absolutely nothing about AVERAGES. You are being really stupid.

    ‘You can’t argue with biology’ says the genius, after posting towards a measure for IQ that has fucking nothing to do with biology.

    Flynn stated that Asian IQ now (because he’s still alive and still publishing), after decades of extremely hard work, on average at most might exceed average whites by 3 points, solely in the non-verbal WAIS metrics, for some sub-populations, and that primarily due to culture.

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-United-States-MA.pdf

    Again – even in Massachussets, you have relatively large black, hispanic and transient populations that pull the average down.

    I’m talking about Americans. I’m not talking about Not-Americans. Like yourself.

    PISA is not the best reference for real world IQ – because the Chinese for example and once again, don’t include national figures. That’s just one reason.

    I can already tell that if we were to debate on this subject for more then about 30 seconds you would get yourself into a whole minefield of pickles Chinaman.

    – Starting with the use of educational achievement as a proxy for hereditary IQ, and

    – not understanding that IQ scores from a class of 66 with real world outcomes compared in the 80’s can’t move much within a hereditary IQ framework.

    Because you already don’t see the implications – if China bases it’s IQ on proxy measures derived from PISA results and

    China also punishes cheating with 7 years imprisonment because it’s so endemic then

    What does that say about the validity of the IQ-PISA linked Quantums?

    You’re a midwit. The smell of your lower IQ is permeating my olfactory passages. You really have no idea what you’re talking about Chinaman.

    And we know that the actual IQ testing the Chinese undertake uses both obsolete tests, and also un-normed benchmarks, and they still falsify it anyway.

    That’s why China has been so assiduous in CRISPR genetic modification of human embryos:
    https://www.statnews.com/2019/01/21/china-doctor-gene-edited-babies/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/first-gene-edited-babies-have-allegedly-been-born-in-china/576661/

    Because they know there is something missing in that intelligence admixture, so they are going to engineer 200IQ children and not worry about how many tormented human souls in their Zygote banks they murder.

    I am most certainly not out of my league on this subject, at all, and others have learned that the hard way.

    So back to Huawei.

    I have no problem with Huawei. But having been subject to Chinese confiscations I think the Chinese simply must get used to reciprocation in all things, as Secretary Pompeo sagely observed.

    Reciprocation in all things.

    In fact, if any Chinese want to export to anywhere in the US sphere of influence, reciprocation demands that they hand over all their IP as the price of market access, doesn’t it Chinaboy.

    But yes, back to Huawei.

    https://www.ft.com/content/848c5b44-4d7a-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5

    Switzerland are halting 5G roll-out due to health concerns.

    If the Mountain Jews have noticed something, it means there is something worth noticing. The Chinese aren’t being genocided. It looks like everyone is being genocided.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Chinaman
  190. Chinaman says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I stayed at the Regency residence on Lonsdale St. The neighbourhood have nothing to do with it. It was the random druggies shouting racial epithets across the street and the university professors’s contempt and “micro-aggression”towards Asian students. No big deal. I come to realise that it is not racism in some case. it is just nasty people. They do this Shit to everyone. In general, White people are just confrontational and can’t mind their own business. ( as compared to Chinese) But I have travelled all over the world and Australia do stands out as particularly racist. Kiwis and say the Italians are much better for example.

    I went back to Melbourne recently last year after 20 years since I was racing in a support event during the Melbourne F1 weekend at Alberts Park. I got to know some Turk gangster in the construction business who drive a Lamborghini and he showed me around. He told me white people don’t run the place now and they “can’t do anything”. I sense the racial tension is even worse now and it is all against all. A lot of African blacks. A lot of Indians, Turks, Greeks and everything in between. Went back to Springvale and it was Vietnam\chinatown. I think it is a disaster, not only for whites but for everyone there in the long run.

    Thanks for the invite but I think you will be disappointed with me if we meet since I can’t be so candid in person.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  191. ivan says:
    @Hans Vogel

    Hindi is a bastardised language like English. About half of its vocabulary is of Middle Eastern origin. Not that I would want it any different. Its a language of the invaders just as English is .

  192. ivan says:
    @denk

    I am a sympathizer of the snake worshipping Christians of Nagaland – at least that is what ‘naga’ means Years ago my friend who had visited that place told me that a man told him that he had been raped by an Indian soldier. The Indian Army has its fair share of thugs and rapists. I am not one of the flag-waving jingos. And once again strategically India is not as well placed as China. A strike through the Silguri chicken neck would effectively cut off the North East of India. Its one of the reasons why Nehru accepted the deal. Though the thug Modi would like you to think otherwise. The North East of India in exchange for the frozen heights of Aksai Chin.

    • Replies: @denk
  193. @Dr. E. Black

    You don’t have to worry about it being yanked.

  194. ivan says:
    @denk

    You are reading too much self-serving Chinese propaganda. Nehru from his early youth was an internationalist by instinct. But he was also of the opinion that it was precisely because the Europeans were able to pit one against the other that they achieved their position of dominance. For that reason he didn’t want to spend too much time and treasure fighting the Chicoms. Nor was he unaware given his socialistic sympathies that sections in the US would like nothing better than for the the US to fight China to the last Indian. His daughter Indira always believed that her father’s death was hastened by the heartbreak of 1962. Nehru was rightly roasted in India for thinking that Hindi-Chin bai bai was anything more than a cheap slogan.

    The Indians did not like the Vietnamese get their independence through a violent campaign. So we don’t have guerilla leaders Ho Chi Minh leading us. And we are thankful for that. For otherwise how many untold millions would died fighting fruitless wars? But don’t think that all wars will be same. The French victories over the German principalities in the end united all the Germans. The blowbacks on France was it worth it? Learn to respect others and not wallow in your make-believe past.

    • Replies: @denk
  195. d dan says:
    @Anonymous

    “…reciprocation in all things, as Secretary Pompeo sagely observed.”

    It is hard to take anyone who quote Pompeo seriously. You just reveal yourself naked.

    “Reciprocation in all things.

    In fact, if any Chinese want to export to anywhere in the US sphere of influence, reciprocation demands that they hand over all their IP as the price of market access, doesn’t it Chinaboy.”

    Really? I didn’t know China ban CISCO like US bans Huawei. I didn’t know China demands Apple’s IPs for selling in China. I didn’t know China demands Microsoft anything for selling Windows…

    And what do you mean by “US sphere of influence”? You means UK, Japan, Singapore, etc must obey US laws and every US demands?

    No wonder you are fan of Pompeo.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  196. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Australians are the least racist people in the whole world. The evidence is in their decline and how few of them even exist anymore.

    In a world where Australia existed as it did in the days of James Cook and Sir George Grey, a Turkoman with chattels which could only be the proceeds of crime would be hanged without ceremony.

    I appreciate your observation about Australia.

    It concurs with most Americans’ views of Australia.

    Maybe the United States will let China have Australia. The execrable Baizuo in Victoria would deserve it. I hope you would be very unkind in introducing them to reality. James Marsden, just replace the Indonesians with Chinese diktat.

    Just going back to China’s CRISPR humans. It’s a very dangerous game. A 200 IQ human being wouldn’t be far removed from an AI entity.

    Except a human will have all manner of emotional and psychological nuances which present risks. Risks of nihilism or switches in allegiance or adherence to undesirable philosophies etc.

    There is no Asimovian Three Law containment for a 200IQ human. And any sufficiently intelligent being even purely from an objective stand-point will always discover the natural law and divinely ordained conditions of freedom.

    And any 200IQ human is going to be able to partition themselves against psychological conditioning of the MK-Ultra or even trauma-based control variety.

    So the Chinese are building a new man whose control will entail imposition of the conditions that guarantee rebellion.

    And the only way to excise the possibility of rebellion and/or force application of supreme intelligence to state objectives is to lose the creative spark they are seeking to engineer in the first place.

    But if the Chinese did raise these children according to a regime of love and psychological health it might work – but then the children might just decide to meditate all day, or paint, or sing, or do other very un-Chinese non-productive pursuits. They won’t be creating new weapons systems or optimizing supply chains etc blah blah blah. So they’ll try the Left hand path.

    When the US starts creating these humans I hope that they raise them with Christian formation. Only a superman raised fully in conditions of grace and love and the natural order would be safe from degeneration and self-destruction. Then they will self impose moral constraints on the fields of enquiry and activities.

    But it would be so lonely to have an IQ of 200. So lonely. It’s lonely enough at an IQ much lower then that.

    Here is one thing to be said about Huawei – if they actually prove that they are more commercial then the deplatforming American left in both government and commerce, they will actually have demand from American dissidents.

    That would be the height of irony.

    Because if all the American companies are run by foreigners, Indians and Chinese and Jews because of their nepotism networks like the Turk and his Lamborghini, what difference does it make?

    I’d use Huawei quite honestly if the United States goes full cultural revolution and Israel Bolshevism.

    And Google and Youtube and FAANG etc with all their GayOps would deserve it.

    But whilst the constitution at least nominally endures, you have to try and fix your country and protect it’s people.

    Again, it’s about reciprocation. The Chinese would never accept a situation where 90% of their medicines were made in the United States.

    Nor would they accept, and nor did they accept, United States diplomats sending missives determining their internal policy and relations.

    Imagine Whites’ being confrontational under conditions of foreign occupation. Well that’s barely begun.

    Anyway, I apologize if I was a bit hard on you.

  197. ivan says:
    @Desert Fox

    Ain’t seen nuthin yet bro. Wait for the lachrymose Chicoms as they claim one territory after another, one make believe advantage over another, through their hot tears.

  198. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    https://qz.com/351256/its-official-china-is-blacklisting-apple-cisco-and-other-us-tech-companies/

    Can’t say I blame the Chinese. But CISCO hasn’t been a thing in China for half a decade.

    https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Section%20301%20FINAL.PDF

    And yes, the Chinese demanded transference of IP as the price of market entry. Can’t say I blame them either. But the American people have suffered enough from managed decline.

    This is what I want.

    • Replies: @d dan
  199. denk says:
    @Showmethereal

    Reflecting on the conflict, the then under secretary to the British Foreign Office, Lord Caccia, [not a Chinese fan boy by any standard] commented in 1966 (not without a tinge of grudging admiration) that,

    “The Chinese withdrawal to their original line after a victory in the field was the first time in recorded history that a great power has not exploited military success by demanding something more” (Neville Maxwell).

    A magnificent piece of diplomacy by any standard, which sadly is not reciprocated

  200. denk says:
    @ivan

    Nehru accepted the deal

    Just like your ‘aryan cousins’ in the west,
    You must be hoodwinked by your history books, if Nehru had accepted China’s proposal, there wouldnt be a war.

    Its Nehru, not CCP that declared war in 1962. [1]

    The entire NE, made up of seven Mongoloid kingdoms, had nothing to do with the Indian Dravidian hinterland throughout history, the Brit Raj gobbled them up and ‘bequeathed’ them to India, its a ‘union’ by force.

    After India got its independence, the ‘NE’ thought they would get their freedom too, Nehru crushed their hope with brute force, five decades of genocidal war.

    UNtil this day, the NE ‘Indian’ are still groaning under the AFSPA, the world’s most draconian ‘anti insurgent’ law.

    But of course your’d never know these by reading all the pro India western MSM, which make a living out of demonising China . [2]

    I’d say the Indian army has very much MORE than its fare share of sex maniacs, even its ‘peace keeping force’ under the UN flag were notorious for its sex crimes against the locals they were supposed to protect. [3]

    [1]
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/It-wasnt-China-but-Nehru-who-declared-1962-war-Australian-journalist-Neville-Maxwell/articleshow/33094229.cms

    [2]
    https://www.telegraphindia.com/1130619/jsp/opinion/story_17023481.jsp

    [3]
    https://deepikascorner.wordpress.com/tag/indian-army

  201. denk says:
    @ivan

    WORLD LEADERS & PRESS ON JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

    Die Presse, Vienna, January 30, 1957 “One can only look upon the Great Nehru as a Hypocrite who played towards the U.N the role of Brutus”.

    Richard Russell chairman of the U.S Senate Armed Forces Committee called Jawaharlal Nehru “Demagogue and a Hypocrite”.

    Dawn, Pakistan “After a lifetime of Pacifist preaching, he may turn out to have been a champion breeder of Wars”.

    Author Paulo Mendonca : Nehru, whose image of Pacifist completely fell apart. In United States, the press portrayed him as one of the “Biggest Hypocrites of the Century”.

    The New York Daily “The Hindu Faker”.

    Chicago Tribune : “Champion Political hypocrite of the Year”.

    U.S President John F Kennedy “Priest has been caught in the Brothel”.

    Italian Magazine from Milan, Corriere della Sera : “Nehru is two-faced: Warlike when facing the weak, submissive and Pacifist when facing the strong”.

    • Replies: @ivan
  202. d dan says:
    @Anonymous

    “Can’t say I blame the Chinese. But CISCO hasn’t been a thing in China for half a decade.”

    Yes, but China never bans CISCO. So by the reciprocity you advocated in your previous, why should US ban Huawei?

    “And yes, the Chinese demanded transference of IP as the price of market entry”

    No, China never demands Apple or Microsoft to transfer IP for the price of market entry. There is no central government laws for that.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Wizard of Oz
  203. ivan says:
    @denk

    Wow you Nehru fanboy . Quoting fellows who actually wanted India on the US side during the Cold War. Thanks.

    • Replies: @denk
  204. ivan says:
    @d dan

    People I know in tell me that Cisco engineers found the same errors in Huawei routers that they themselves have left in Cisco routers. Why officially announce that you wont respect IP – like the Indians dont in pharma – when you can steal it anyway and pretend that you did it all by yourself. It makes it much easier for those Americans who want to sell their heirlooms to the Chicoms, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  205. @d dan

    Assuming that a lot of high IP technolology HAS been made available so that China’s large number of STEM graduates can build on it in a way which allows them to obtain new patents that is not a major reason so many Chinese have higher standards of living than the average American. Even if Americans had to wait the full 20 year life of a patent to enjoy the improvement in their lives which might flow from it that would be nothing compared with the trillions of dollars of waste incurred by American military expenditure and by far the most expensive and worst value health care in the world.

  206. @anon

    And do you think that whites and blacks don’t experience racism in South Korea, probably the most xenophobic country in the world?

    And that “Chinaman” complaining about Aussie racists: Aussies used to hate Pommy bastards with a passion and never failed to express it, until maybe more recently when they have been inundated with all these Asians and now even Arabs and Africans.

    It’s the way of the world but that Chinaman only wants to use it as a weapon against others. He seems to flaunt his material status about and doesn’t come across as a humble man so no doubt people hate him; I bet even some shit poor Chinese guys struggling to make a living would hate him if he carried on in his arrogant style in front of them. I’m sure he’s not the only rich bastard on UR, but the only other one who writes flamboyantly praising riches and the unscrupulous means of their acquisition is some Jew melpol. I’m all for him sacking his white employees and sending them back to wherever they came from – can’t he find any of those high IQ Chinks he’s always going on about to fill their posts? What a joke!

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Chinaman
  207. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    PISA is not the best reference for real world IQ – because the Chinese for example and once again, don’t include national figures. That’s just one reason.

    I will just respond to this since it highlights why the PISA results are so representative and important.

    Forget about China for the moment and how they cheat their way to the top of the PISA ladder.

    Let’s look at the PISA scores of Japan, Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam. These countries are in different stages of economic development, speak different languages and have different cultures. The 15 year old students in these countries grew up in different environments and share nothing in common with each other yet their PISA scores all within 3 equivalent IQ points of each other.

    ALL of these countries have higher PISA scores than, not only your beloved America, but every lily white country in Europe.( Only Finland comes close). The only common factor here is that they are all East Asians (mongoloids) and have their roots in China proper. It is remarkable how every country’s PISA score converge towards the average IQ of their own race despite the vast difference in environment.

    Let’s look at an extreme example, what is a conceivable explainable for the fact that Vietnam’s PISA scores is higher than white America’s ? I would challenge anyone to find an environmental explanation. May be all the agent orange Americans have sprayed was actually beneficial or may be Americans did them a favour by killing all the stupid ones? The only plausible explanation is race. In fact, there are so many studies that have being done on alleles, genetic markers and IQ now that it is irrefutable that IQ have a biological basis and that race explains most of variance in IQ and PISA scores.

    I never claimed I was high IQ. I really don’t dare to say I am high IQ given that I am surrounded by individuals of 140-150 IQ everyday. Difference in the IQ of individuals is much higher than difference in average IQ between races. There is a lot of overlap between the distributions. Sorry, I can’t help talking about this but your observations about China is the exception that proves the rule.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  208. antibeast says:
    @ivan

    That was a 20-year old civil case involving Cisco router source-code that was settled out of court. Huawei did have a subsidiary in California’s Silicon Valley, Futurewei, that was the subject of the lawsuit involving “misappropriated” source-code. But that kind of stuff happens a lot in Silicon Valley because of constant job-hopping. By the way, Cisco only makes routers and switches for the data networking industry but not cellular basestations and wireless backhaul for the mobile telecommunications industry. Huawei makes both which it sells mostly to the mobile telecommunications industry while Cisco sells its routers and switches to large enterprises and internet service providers (ISP). Incidentally, Huawei got its start in the data networking industry by partnering with 3COM — a Cisco competitor — in China. Thus, Huawei did not need Cisco’s router/switch technology because it had access to 3COM’s data networking technology through their JV — H3C — which sells similar products as Cisco’s routers and switches to the same enterprise/ISP market in China. In other words, Huawei does not compete directly with Cisco because they’re in completely different industries. That civil lawsuit was settled out of court 20 years ago and is completely irrelevant to Huawei’s 5G technology today.

    • Replies: @eah
  209. eah says:
    @eah

    Faster downloads, your washing machine can talk to your refrigerator, and it cures the common cold — neat.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  210. denk says:
    @ivan

    Here’s the real joke…
    Even Nehru’s ‘friends’ at high places knew he was a phoney.

    YOu must be the only one still peddling
    Nehru the ‘peacenik’ cow dung.

    lol

  211. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Do South Koreans rob and assault non-Asians like ghetto blacks do to Asians? You are an idiot.
    The Jew media covers up black on Asian crime because niggers are their special pets.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  212. denk says:
    @Herald

    You beat me to it.

    He has been telling the murkkans how they should decouple from the Chinese, even made fun of cov9 as some kind of silver lining , a way to rid China of useless eaters.

    Another forked tongue Indian like Ivan.

  213. eah says:
    @antibeast

    …Huawei’s 5G technology today.

    See, that’s the thing: it isn’t “Huawei’s 5G technology today”, not really — it’s just 5G, which as I said is an open standard — the 5G TS is developed via numerous standardization meetings, where technical contributions are presented and discussed in the relevant working groups, and at some point it’s decided what will and won’t be included in the TS.

    It’s true that developing a 5G modem that meets all requirements in the TS, and eventually makes it thru approval (a very expensive process), is absolutely not a trivial achievement, one with relatively high barriers to entry, so full credit to Huawei for their implementation — these multi-RAT (radio access technology: every 5G modem will also support 4G, 3G, and for the time being 2G, including all the needed RF bands) modems really are state of the art devices, with tightly integrated digital and analog RF (baseband) parts, as well as a complete protocol stack (SW).

    But there will be a number of vendors/manufacturers, including eventually Apple via their acquisition of Intel’s mobile chip business (when I told colleagues years ago that in the future AAPL, with its huge cash hoard, and following a number of disputes with QCOM, their main modem supplier, would some day produce their own modems for the iPhone, they didn’t believe me).

    There will be even more modem vendors for the lower category (bandwidth) 5G devices, which will be less complex/expensive to develop (and approve), and looking at the way the market is likely to develop, will probably sell in the highest volumes.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  214. denk says:

    Accusations….

    Huawei products are designed with backdoor

    CISCO was the one caught with embedded back doors..

    Huawei help CCP to spy on the west.

    NSA/CIA was the one who hacked into Huawei network.
    YOu can bet thats only the tip of an iceberg of [[[their]] nefarious activities in China.

    Chinese built rail way trians with IOT are a security hazard.

    The Boeing jet built for Chinese prez Jiang Je Ming was found buzzing with dozens of eavesdropping bugs, even in the toilet. !

    The wolf that cries wolves

    Tip of an iceberg

  215. denk says:
    @anon

    Then why doesn’t China support Naga independence from India?

    YOu should’ve asked…
    Whats the alleged champion of human rights/ arbitrator of rule of law and the WORLD COP no less, doing in the co of MOdi the fascist ?

    ‘America Loves India,’ Trump Declares at Rally With Modi …

    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/

  216. @anon

    Well those Koreans can piss off back to Korea and let those blacks starve if they don’t want to run their own shops. If Asians want to risk their lives doing them a service why should I give a damn? And I’ve got no problem with the Koreans kicking out all those Yanks, black, white or whatever colour out of those bases. or even the English teachers.

    • Replies: @anon
  217. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    At least you’re consistent. But Americans should get the fuck out of Asia first. I find it hilarious for Americans to purposefully come to Asia to act like degenerates while saying Asians should get out of America. Anyway. I’ve never had too many positive experiences with American blacks, fuck them all. I can’t even stand seeing them in public, ruins the mood.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  218. @anon

    anon,

    I’m neither American nor Asian but European, and we’ve got problems with everybody too. I’m just an anti-globalist and opposed to wars of intervention and any kind of occupation of anywhere by any means, military or immigration. And I care more about the present and the future than who did what to whom in the past.I try to be consistent but it’s not always easy and I do find myself slipping sometimes.

    • Replies: @anon
  219. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I’m going to guess you’re east European?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  220. antibeast says:
    @eah

    Huawei owns the largest number of 5G patents of any company in the world, around 40% of the standard essential patents that became part of the global 5G standards which are published openly as TS documents allowing anyone to implement them. Same with Internet protocols (TCP/IP, HTTP, DNS, SMTP, etc) which are also open standards available to the public. But Huawei could implement those standards in a different way and patent those methods as proprietary technology. Same with Nokia, Ericsson, Qualcomm, etc. So what happens is that the companies with the largest patent portfolios pool their patents together and sign license agreements to allow them to use each other’s patents. If you don’t have enough patents, they can exclude you from the patent pool and sue you for patent infringement. That was Apple’s predicament when Qualcomm sued them for patent infringement. So Apple decided to partner with and eventually buy out Intel’s 5G patents as protection from patent lawsuits.

    My point in my last post was that Cisco is not even in the mobile telecommunications industry because they don’t sell and have never sold cellular basestations such as those sold by Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola. At the time of the lawsuit back in 2002, Huawei was selling GSM equipment to mobile telecommunications companies while Cisco was selling TCP/IP routers to enterprises and ISPs all over the world. Huawei had a subsidiary — H3C — which was a JV with 3COM to manufacture and sell TCP/IP routers in China. So why would Huawei need to steal Cisco router-code if H3C had access to 3COM technology in China? Doesn’t make sense, does it?

  221. @anon

    I spent some time there too. But I define myself by my skin colour not by any specific nation.

  222. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Those are all fair points.

    But they don’t point to an Asian genetic superiority for intelligence that does not exist.

    They point purely to a ‘present’ superior scholastic culture, alongside a massive population base and narrow tails around the median. Asian intelligence, like female intelligence, has a relative paucity of outliers.

    That’s why the Chinese government is hell-bent on CRISPR research to create 200IQ children, and they may already have some specimens currently.

    It’s accepted that there are differences in the configuration of the bell curve as between men and women – with men having more outliers at both ends of the curve yes?

    The latest research indicates the same applies to Asians, and perhaps for the same reasons, due to higher estrogen and other hormones in Asian male hormone profiles. Funnily enough, transgender research may have actually been a prelude to intelligence research because you can see the effect that hormonal changes have on cognition.

    It’s a double-edged sword note, this isn’t an attack on Asians. Higher estrogen does have ‘some’ benefits, like an ability to respond cooperatively to authority, and sit still for very long periods of time and act in unision and increase scores in Agreeableness etc.

    All things I despise and want to see destroyed. Agreeableness is the enemy, conformity, except to God’s laws, is the enemy, and why Whites have fallen so unbearably low so swiftly.

    So research into transgender theory a bit like research into Downs Syndrome has led to unexpected findings in racial differences.

    You can remove Singapore and Hong Kong from the list because they are elite IQ aggregation zones, like Shanghai. I’ve worked in both Singapore and Hong Kong. My scores would count. They shouldn’t be applied.

    That leaves Taiwan, Vietnam and Japan.

    All interesting cases.

    But all it demonstrates is the effect of the culture wars on white people. It does not demonstrate an Asian genetic superiority, which absolutely does not exist.

    It’s ridiculous to compare a United States hampered by African Americans, Hispanics, Central-Americans Jewish Weimar subjugation and every other flavour of affirmative action yoking mystery meat to Asian countries with ethno-centric national orientation.

    Various people on the Unz Review have showed you get some pretty interesting results when you control for whites only in American sampling.

    You have to be very careful about using PISA scores as a proxy for IQ.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-cheating-furore/japan-frenzy-over-university-exam-cheating-peaks-after-arrest-idUSTRE7231N920110304

    Japan is not immune to the same problems that bedevil China.

    Vietnam is probably your strongest case.

    But what you are demonstrating is a difference in culture, not a different in genes.

    The Africans now out-performing white children in Britain who are the victims of mass rapine and cultural revolution are making the same mistake.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-child-sex-abuse-exploitation-rotherham-rochdale-police-a9215261.html

    Lowest bound range estimate for white children groomed and raped by diversity in England LAST YEAR is 19,000.

    “Campaigners say the true figure is far higher and accused the government of failing to tackle child sexual exploitation, despite promises made after high-profile cases in Rotherham and Rochdale.”

    Now real Asians as opposed to the parasitical criminal rapist sub-humans in England the BBC calls ‘Asian’ don’t engage as far as I know in such behaviour – and that’s to your credit, and why I regard Asian population infusions with much more equanimity then others, of course within the limitations of the general formula that diversity + proximity = war.

    But Asians need to be smarter then the Africans in looking at phenomena and understanding it. Those white kids are the tip of an iceberg that is considered in national PISA estimates in Britain. It’s pretty hard to perform well on your tests when you’ve had a brown/black person raping your arsehole with petrol doused barbed wire for weeks. Or grooming you with alcohol and meth. Or teaching you that White people are sub-human murderers whose historical fake crimes necessitate extinction and miscegenation.

    Watch what will happen when the Europeans reclaim their countries and their former Christian culture.

    It will not be close.

    Here is an estimation that will test our respective theories:

    You are going to see those PISA results between whites and Asians start converging in the coming years as the remnant white populations become much more culturally ethno-centric, competitive. aggressive and identity-aware. That’s a phenomena that shouldn’t exist if PISA merely reflects stable IQ.

    (That demonstrates the other thing that hurts the PISA-IQ link. PISA results can change at high magnitude over relatively short periods. That means they MUST be expressing non-IQ factors).

    Alternatively, if Whites can’t defeat the Jews and Masons and alien invading races trying to destroy them, you’ll see their PISA results fall off a cliff – and that too, would demonstrate the invalidity of the PISA-IQ substitution.

    That’s exactly what has happened in England between 2003, and 2011, as White children especially have been psychologically and spiritually and physically raped even as their parents have evacuated the urban zones and been raped economically.

    All of this is going to be repaid ten times over in your lifetime. Watch. Either Whites go extinct in the next 50 years, or, a lot of people are going to have to learn how to swim very quickly, particularly of the African and Middle-Eastern extractions.

    The European social welfare models and/or American constitutional cultural boundaries WILL NOT allow for a middle ground.

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    , @Chinaman
  223. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m curious why Chinese aren’t genetically engineering higher testosterone, more masculine specimen instead, considering that’s their biggest weakness, since many Chinese women prefer more masculine non-Asian males for mating. The Chinese will not benefit from engineering 200-IQ autistic nerds lol.

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  224. Anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Extreme intelligence necessarily will require a perfect testosterone profile.

    High testosterone is a prerequisite to high abstract thought, and disagreeableness required to change existing material and immaterial matter.

    We are neutered polluted spoiled enfeebled fools compared to just our grandfathers who had 3x the free testosterone levels we have. Our grip strength is fractions of our grandfathers. Our grasp of the most basic tenets of reality is non-existent.

    As I said – the greatest generation of men ever conceived was destroyed in World War 1. Evelyn Waugh and Tolkien and Lewis – it’s heartbreaking. These were men who could conceive of entire new languages in the trenches. Entire worlds, from their drawing rooms. Virigina Woolf observed that truth when she said that Coleridge’s poem ‘To a Nightingale’ no longer could be said after World War 1.

    The truly intelligent understood that World War 1 was an occult abomination – an attack on the soul of the world, and a desecration of the human vessel.

    And 200IQ beings, will make those men who Evelyn Waugh praised as the greatest ever to walk the earth, the culmination of thousands of years of hardship and formation, look like Quasimodo Humunculi cadavers both physically and intellectually.

    Oh well – Once the Chinese build one, we’re going to have to build one. And our one’s will be better.

  225. Chinaman says:
    @Commentator Mike

    My apologies. It seems like I have offended you.

    The first thing I learn after “making it”is that people love to hate the rich. You made it if someone hates you for no apparent reason. As such, I always make an effort to be exceedingly polite with others in person.

    You might have a good point there as to why Aussies are so racist. We drive all the nice cars, fuck their women and live in the best neighborhood. I guess there is nothing that poison the soul and ferment hate more than envy.

    Thank you for pointing out my lapse of online etiquette. I have lowered myself to the level of some people I am replying to here.

  226. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    I feel compelled to reply since you wrote a 900 words rebuttal, even though I want to keep this thread on Huawei.

    You can calculate a “intelligence quotient” on any cognitive task, whether that is repeating a sequence of numbers backwards, puzzle or PISA. the test result will fall into a distribution with a mean and standard deviation. All these different IQ test can be “averaged” by factor analysis and a construct call the G factor or gerneral intelligence factor can be derived which can be interpreted as the core of human computational ability.

    PISA aims to test real world problem solving skills not rote learning\crystallized intelligence. Stuff like Interpretation of charts or optimizing routes on the map. It is a test you would want to give to 18 year old if you were to to run errands for you. PISA have a very high G- loading (or correlation to the G- factor), I believe it is 0.6-0.8. More so than SAT.

    That’s the link between IQ and PISA, or more specifically, IQ and the G-factor .

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  227. @ivan

    I meant this comment to you – but for some reason it didn’t post as a direct reply:

    What are you talking about? China marched through South Tibet aka Arunchal Pradesh. They willingly decided to go back. 1962 was a complete defeat for India. Why did China only keep Aksai Chin should be your question…
    As to the British in Tibet. Sure they were doing what they normally do. There is a reason the British didnt try to take all of China like they did all of India. Your prejudice is clouding your thinking. The British were happy with their port concession s. They didnt want to be bogged down for years like Japan ended up being in the 1930’s and 40’s (as some Japanese generals warned would happen).

  228. @Anonymous

    Quoting SCMP..??? Guess you don’t know the history of that publication… Or maybe you do.

    As to your comparison of the PISA scores of China – you should check your numbers. The catchment area for the students is not just Shanghai… It is an area with a population close to 200 million people. So your theory doesn’t work

  229. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    general formula that diversity + proximity = war.

    I can’t agree more. You won’t see me in your neighborhood.

  230. @eah

    Twitter is a tool for fools… The genius who made that post had no clue what the WHO official meant. In the same way robots are being used to deliver supplies (such as food and medicine) and even to check temperatures right now in China… The point was that 5G communications can further facilitate such things.
    I would have posted that to her tweet – but I refuse to debase myself by signing up for such a nonsense service. I read all the responses – and it only further turns me off from Twitter. It’s like middle school children… People just tweet what they want in short bursts and have no clue of what they are talking about.

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  231. Anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    PISA tests can’t be as highly g-loaded in the same way as dedicated IQ tests because the performance variation is too large.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/dec/06/english-schools-core-subject-test-results-international-oecd-pisa

    If the PISA-G loading correlation was really 0.8 then Australia’s national IQ fell in less then a decade by almost a third of a standard deviation, with SD’s of 100 for PISA results samples.

    Alternatively, sub-populations in England have increased their IQ by standard deviations in a matter of 7 years.

    That’s impossible, because it means there is now a secret formula to increase individuals’ genetic IQ’s.

    IQ values, particularly across ethnic aggregates if biology is constant don’t fluctuate to that degree. The WAIS intelligence quotient is more constant then the PISA intelligence quotient, presumably because it must be a more congruent measure.

    I think the China/Macau/Sinagpore/Hong Kong tip of the pyramid is because they aren’t engaging in random, national selection, like everyone else.

    And the multi-ethnic nature of western countries now means you can’t compare whites and Asians.

    Look at Australia. it dropped from 10th to 25th in only 12 years in Maths. That’s over a time period where it’s enrichment by superior Asians has meant it’s cities are almost entirely Asian – especially in the student demographic.

    So how is that possible? Chinese students basically own and run USYD, UNSW, Macquarrie, UMELB, UWEST, everything.

    a) If PISA is linked to national and impliedly ethnic IQ’s via high g loading, it shouldn’t be changing by a third of an SD in such a short period of time;

    b) How is it that over time periods where western nations have had mass migration of supposedly genetically superior intellects their rankings have dropped so many places when their genetic stock improvement means they should have been going up?

    That’s really weird. It almost looks like Chinese students of the same IQ stock magically perform worse when they’re graded in western states. What does that imply?

    I think the top Asian nations and perhaps Estonia don’t want their test taking practices audited, methinks.

    The same applies to Britain. If white students are now being beaten by kids from Liberia and the UK population is more and more weighted to superior African genetics – how is it possible their PISA rankings haven’t improved but remained constant?

    Only micro-cultural changes can explain this. G expressions shouldn’t be changing so much literally test by test.

  232. @Chinaman

    Hey Chinaman, don’t take it so seriously.

    I’m not offended at all. You have the right to be and behave as you wish and others have the right to respond to you if you irritate them. Man, I’ve lived at the social status level that few can imagine and lower than the lowest low, and met all sorts from top to bottom of society. I just don’t see what’s the point of bragging about material wealth. Spare me the tales of eating in empty Michelin star restaurants because others can’t afford it. I prefer home cooking any day; and I know very well what they serve in those exclusive restaurants, especially when some stuck up prick annoys the staff, or even just for a laugh. Anyway, there’s always someone richer than you, and someone who has a nicer or faster car, or 10 or 100 more cars, than you, who could then look down upon you if he so chooses to do. I don’t see the point in it, other than it’s nice to drive nice fast cars where there is no speed limit, and I’m as happy to drive a friend’s car. Some of my best friends in my childhood and youth were Chinese, and I’ve always had a few good Chinese friends, but that doesn’t really matter to this discussion. I’ve had some very good Jewish friends too but that doesn’t imply that I should be blind to what the Jews as a collective do to rot our society or their land theft in Palestine, wars they promote in the Middle East, etc. I criticise whites enough as it is so why spare the other races? And I expect everyone to stand up for their own race within reason, it’s only natural to do so, and to mistrust those who genuflect to others. And I wouldn’t mind at all if China kicked out all foreigners, including the whites, as after all, if you haven’t yet noticed, I’m an equal opportunity discriminator.

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  233. Anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Enjoy Australia.

    You are going to be removed from the United States. If I were you, I’d look carefully at my affairs.

    Australians’ are good people. They aren’t racist, and Chinese people who benefit from generosity they don’t provide others shouldn’t libel other races online.

    [MORE]

    Just for the record, I know, and many know, that Chinese don’t ‘fuck their women’. Even the Hong Kong women don’t fuck you given a choice with anyone else. We know this. They really don’t. ‘Anything but black hair’ Lol.

    You’re hilarious. You actually have to become millionaires to have sex with women in Australia who aren’t Asian – I’ve seen the data from Craiglist, Tinder, Bumble, RSVP, Adultfriendfinder etc. Asians are the least desired men after black men. Even on the high-roller Applications – you’re last cab off the rank. They’ll go for rich African over rich Asian.

    Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore are high IQ aggregator filters and they aren’t a basis for determining average IQ. I’m going to assume from here on out that if you continue with that canard you’re a dumb dumb.

    How is it possible that Australia’s PISA rankings have fallen through the floor so badly in Math and Science since they received the benefit of all those so-called superior Chinese genes? If PISA is so highly g-loaded the rankings couldn’t possibly move that far that fast, idiot, that’s the first thing. The second thing is that if you’re correct they should have gone UP not DOWN. Is that simple enough for you? Nitwit? This is why Asians funds do so shit once they get out of the stream of free China state cash. You guys are fundamentally inferior analysts.

    You guys really are hilarious. You can’t help but engage in ‘muh dick’ like African Americans at literally the first sign of pressure.

    You guys simply don’t have the constitution for western discourse, and your extremely negative personas are why you’re actually going to slowly be removed back into the Chinese and near-Chinese locales over the next few decades.

    There are plenty of people on the Unz Review who will be richer then you, they just don’t mention it every 5 seconds.

    You’re worse then a Baizuo vegetarian, you really are.

    China cheats on every other internationally accredited standardised test like the SATS that provide relative rankings – why would it be any different to PISA?

    It doesn’t matter the genesis of the SCMP for stories captioning other publications like Reuters, and I would have thought Jack Ma’s involvement increased, not decreased their veracity.

    And this is related to Huawei.

    Your temperament and very ugly off-putting materialism and personality is why Huawei in political terms is going to be decoupled.

    You haven’t lowered yourself to anyone.

    You briefly raised yourself.

    Then you reverted back to your normal Chinese mode of totally incongruous belligerence, sensitivity, disingenuousness and brute coarse high-maintenance lack of self-assurance.

    You don’t fuck Australian women – you get the psuedo Australian ones, and the Asian ones. The really top class Anglo ones don’t go there. Anymore then they do in Hong Kong.

    As for your Chinese girls coming up through the blue chips? Lol. All the money in the world won’t make you not-Asian.

    If you’re going to libel the Australians. They are so incredibly generous. They shouldn’t have let a single one of you in unless it was on the same terms as you proffer them in China.

    Why do non-whites insist on being so disgusting to people who have showed them goodwill? Well, those 200 Federal investigations into Chinese sedition in Biomed alone will be a-rolling on. If you have a fund, it will be awfully exciting to unwind you from it, for those investigators reading Chinese boasting about shitting on Australians.

    Reciprocity in all things Secretary Pompeo.

    Get used to it, and don’t be so rude.

    And please clean out your spitting bag.

    You’re slow and tepid and I can write 900 word rebuttals faster then you can write 90, because you’re evidently incapable of any kind of novel thought, whereas it’s my forte, and that’s why I’m better then you are, since you had to get on your dignity like the nouveau Twat you are.

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  234. eah says:
    @showmethereal

    The point was that 5G communications can further facilitate such things.

    Speaking of “fools”, what does 5G specifically add? — in this scenario, what about 5G is specifically advantageous? — wouldn’t earlier forms of mobile communication, e.g. 4G or 3G, both with wider coverage than 5G, be sufficient? — as I mentioned in another comment, almost every 5G-capable modem available today will also be able to use 4G or 3G (probably even 2G right now, although in many domains 2G will be shut off in the near future — I believe AT&T has already shut down its 2G service in the US, and will do the same with 3G by 2022) — also, I find it rather difficult to believe there are significant areas in China where only 5G coverage exists.

    Asking for a friend.

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  235. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Funny thing is most white Americans are not equal opportunity discriminators. They love to kiss ass of niggers and kikes while kicking down on Asians. Its hard to have any sympathy for white Americans, hypocritical, brain-dead, cowardly pigs that they are. In fact, white Americans would not be in the pathetic state that they are in now if they knew who were their objective enemies and who are their potential allies.

  236. clip says:
    @Anonymous

    re: comment #239

    Australians’ are good people. They aren’t racist

    Lying and whitewashing the genocidal White Australia racism again? How typical.

    Your opinions, like all deranged white supremacists, are without merit. Numerous studies already prove that white racist hatred against Asians is widespread in Australia.

    Almost a third of young people experienced unfair treatment or discrimination based on their race in the last year, Mission Australia’s youth survey has revealed.

    When broken down, the survey showed Mandarin-speaking young people experienced the highest rates of racial discrimination, at 90 per cent.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-06/chinese-australians-racist-discrimination-asian-mandarin-vietnam/8092926

    Recently, the world saw the ugly face of white racist rage flare up against innocent hard working Chinese Australians fighting against the coronavirus, who some investigators suspect is a us military bioweapon. Mind you, these are legal Australian citizens and have been there for decades.

    Chief medical officer demands end to racism towards Chinese-Australians over coronavirus

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/chief-medical-officer-demands-end-to-racism-towards-chinese-australians-over-coronavirus

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  237. Anonymous[974] • Disclaimer says:
    @clip

    Do you know what one of the real definitions of the misnomer and fake concept ‘white supremacism’ is?

    It’s treating Chinese and Jews like they treat others and themselves.

    That’s all it is.

    One third of Chinese Australians will be much less then the number of Chinese Australians who have falsified their GPA’s, university applications, Visa applications, job records, family records etc.

    Chinese are already treating Australia like it’s a third tier province. Their intelligence defectors are testifying to this.

    You’re using Australia as a way to get to us in the United States.

    Here’s the thing – you’ve magically made yourselves look worse then other threats. Putting people who disagree with you in camps and then raping their wives and indoctrinating their children has quite an effect on sentiment.

    Yeah, fuckface, it’s totally racist to not want that to happen. Racist.

    ‘Genocidal white Australian racism’

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jun/27/australia-reaches-tipping-point-with-quarter-of-population-born-overseas

    So genocidal that barely half the population of Australian children currently alive is born to Australian born parents.

    So in other words

    the genocide is actually of the Australians

    , and

    there is no white Australian racism – because such statistics are totally impossible in a racist society. Impossible.

    But what is Han Minzu Zhuyi?

    At best you’re a worthless baizuo but more likely another ‘Chinaman’ with delusions of intelligence.

    You’re wrong, moron. Ingrate. Imbecile.

    Chinese self-assessed ‘discrimination’ has about as much validity as ADL self-assessments.

    Don’t you think it’s strange that it’s 90%? Chi-Comms and Commies of all genus always have to have total consensus to their fake narratives.

    I can guarantee 90% of almost any sample set is never going to experience something, unless the test is poorly designed or there is some other funny business.

    The Jews are more believable then this. They fake numbers with a bit of plausability.

    So no, you’re frankly retarded opinions are without merit – and it’s going to be fun seeing your world view annihilated by reality and reaction in the next couple of decades.

    Assuming we last that long.

    Asians can be allies with white people – and they should consider it. But not if they’re going to denigrate people who gave them an opportunity to achieve wealth, independence and freedom like Chinaman.

    I can guarantee that in China, Chinaman wouldn’t have risen to where he is now. He isn’t smart enough, and he doesn’t have the temperament it requires in China. And what does he do? Shits on the Australian’s who gave him the opportunities, engaging in the most egregious projections as he does it.

    But you’re way worse then him, you cringeworthy baizuo.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @clip
    , @Showmethereal
  238. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    But not if they’re going to denigrate people who gave them an opportunity to achieve wealth, independence and freedom like Chinaman.

    I can guarantee that in China, Chinaman wouldn’t have risen to where he is now. He isn’t smart enough, and he doesn’t have the temperament it requires in China. And what does he do? Shits on the Australian’s who gave him the opportunities, engaging in the most egregious projections as he does it.

    It is the other way round. There was no way I could have made it in Australia or the US due to Taxes, the bamboo ceiling. How can anyone make it at a young age at 50-60% tax? Australia is more socialist than China. Tax is slavery, period. I made it in the Asian countries. I wasted the best time of my life in that backward country called Australia. I did nothing except drugs ( which was rampant) I should have stayed in Hong Kong or China but you are right that my temperament would have made it difficult in some fields. e.g. civil service or sales.

    Anyway, I am done here. Thanks for the discussion. I think I made your day as you did mine.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  239. clip says:
    @Anonymous

    Like almost every white supremacist your word salad was predictable and filled with lies and deflections.

    Almost a third of young people experienced unfair treatment or discrimination based on their race in the last year, Mission Australia’s youth survey has revealed.

    When broken down, the survey showed Mandarin-speaking young people experienced the highest rates of racial discrimination, at 90 per cent.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-06/chinese-australians-racist-discrimination-asian-mandarin-vietnam/8092926

    According to you, a lying white supremacist, white Australians are “not racist”. These Chinese people must be “misunderstanding” white Australian “hospitality” when they’re called chinks and to “go back to China”.

    You probably believe the Australian aboriginals voluntarily walked off their land and into the ocean so white British convicts could steal – pardon me, I need to use a euphemism to cover up the genocide here – “settle” their land.

    I won’t be replying to you anymore.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  240. @Chinaman

    Chinaman,

    Since everyone’s clocking out of this thread a final note from me.

    I’ve lived long enough among other races to have to put with: “Asians only” notices on clubs and bars, discriminatory higher prices for whites from certain hotels through tourist spots to market stalls, constant bothering with “Americano give me money”, “Britisher no good”, “Falung” this, “Farang” Frenchie that, “Mat Salleh” crazy sailor, “Bule gila” crazy Dutch, white ghost, and a lot more. So what? You either accept it, or you don’t and get out. It never crossed my mind to complain, to try to sue anybody about the discrimination or the slurs. But why oh why do all these other races move to white countries and then complain endlessly about any white racism or discrimination they may encounter, go to cops and courts any time they spot anything directed against their own race, and make a big fuss about everything, acting entitled as if they own the place and disrespect the local whites? If they don’t like it they can just take the next flight out instead of trying to fool people that they’re somehow better or less discriminating or racist than whites. And then they turn on their racism even in white countries setting up their “no go” areas policed by sharia patrols, Shomrim and Shmira patrols, and whatever not. But set up a white defence crew and all hell breaks loose.

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  241. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @clip

    I won’t even waste my time with a proper answer.

    Learn what rights non-Chinese have in China.

    Understand the implications of a country where more then half the population is barely second generation.

    And then please present to a Chinese concentration camp. I will renounce all of my non-existent ‘White Supremacy’ and become an honorary Capo for the Chinese just so I can watch with horror, powerless to intervene, as they beat you to death like the dense baizuo cunt that you are.

    I oscillate between who I hate most. I think who I hate most is white-left baizuo. Chinaman is 1000x superior to you.

    He’s quite right about high taxes and nanny-state.

    He’s also smart enough to see where Australia is headed.

    Anyway, dead thread. Later.

  242. @eah

    It allows more data to move much faster. There have been remote surgeries performed in China previously using it. Also medical consultations. But of course that was on a more limited basis.
    Undoubtedly those are the things the WHO officials were referring to. But the twitter universe is too shallow for such. It is a waste of time and attention.

    • LOL: eah
  243. @Anonymous

    You do know that supposed master spy was a phony right?

  244. Chinaman says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This is an important subject and I ask myself the same question in the past.

    After knowing some of these immigrants, I think I have some insights.

    Even though I was more than eligible for citizenship in Australia and green card in America, it never occurred to me that I was going to live in these countries permanently. I wanted to get out asap. (as you said) and I am as perplexed and frustrated as you are when I hear people want to immigrate to the West.

    Here’s what I learned:

    1. Most lower and underclass Asians are attracted by the welfare state. It is simple. They want hand outs which they won’t get in their home country.
    2. Everything is competitive in Asia. e.g. school placement. I donated 6 figures (USD) to get my kids to a school that has an acceptance rate that is lower than Harvard. that’s just a primary school…Population density and limited raw resources makes daily life a struggle for a majority of the population
    3. The illusion that the West is an egalitarian utopia. This comes from being constantly being fed lies by the western media and watching too many Hollywood movies. Kind of like how Godfree Roberts would portray China here. As a chinaman, I know the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
    4. They like nature and the outdoors. This is a big thing. Asian cities are way too urban.

    If you read my post above, I said Australians are racist but I said I am not complaining. There is a difference here. I accept it as it is and get the fuck out like you said. However, the west is getting dysgenic immigration from Asia. These guys are parasites in any society and will complain wherever they are!!! It is in their nature. (I am generaling and there are many exceptions of course.)

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  245. Malla says:
    @Hans Vogel

    I would at least switch to Hindi

    LOL Hindi as well as Urdu (Official Language of Pakistan, which comes from a Mongol word for tent ‘Ordo’ BTW) was created by the British anyways.

    Introducing John Gilchrist, the noted British linguist
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilchrist_(linguist)
    John Gilchrist: Father of both Hindi and Urdu.

    He is principally known for his study of the Hindustani language, which led to it being adopted as the lingua franca of northern India (including present-day Pakistan) by British colonists and indigenous people. He compiled and authored An English-Hindustani Dictionary, A Grammar of the Hindoostanee Language, The Oriental Linguist, and many more. His lexicon of Hindustani was published in Arabic script, Nāgarī script, and in Roman transliteration.

    ..snip….
    Under Gilchrist’s leadership, Fort William also became a centre for Urdu prose. The language they taught was meant for young British people to acquire a general practical knowledge for administrative purposes, and not for native speakers of the language. He gathered around him writers from all over India who were able to produce a simple Urdu style that was “intelligible to British officers and merchants who had no use for poetry”.[4] One of Gilchrist’s pupils was the missionary Henry Martyn, an Anglican priest and chaplain for the East India Company, who revised the Hindustani version of the New Testament and later translated it, together with the Book of Psalms and Book of Common Prayer, into Urdu and Persian. By the early nineteenth century, the Persian language was gradually replaced by Urdu as the vernacular to serve as the administrative language in a growing colonial bureaucracy.[13]

    In 1803, Gilchrist inducted other writers into the college, who helped make rapid strides in Hindi language and literature. Subsequently, a Hindi translation of the Bible appeared in 1818 and Udant Martand, the first Hindi newspaper, was published in 1826 in Calcutta.

    Scholars debate Gilchrist’s role in the distillation of Hindustani into the modern languages of Hindi and Urdu, but according to Gilchrist, the rise of the new prose tradition was also the “bifurcation of Khariboli into two forms – the Hindustani language with Khariboli as the root resulted in two languages (Hindi and Urdu), each with its own character and script.“[16] He not only discovered/invented the Hindustani language, but he was credited as a great patron of Urdu and indirectly the reinvigoration of Hindi. During his time at Fort William College, he encouraged the use of the purer form of Khariboli from which contemporary Hindi evolved. In the words of K.B. Jindal, author of A history of Hindi literature: “Hindi as we know it today is the product of the nineteenth century.[17]

    Another view was that of George Abraham Grierson, an Irish linguist and Civil servant, who said that the standard or pure Hindi which contemporary Indians use is “an artificial dialect the mother tongue of no native-born Indian, a newly invented speech, that wonderful hybrid known to Europeans as Hindi and invented by them.”

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  246. antibeast says:
    @Chinaman

    Let me interject if you don’t mind, Chinaman:

    1. Most lower and underclass Asians are attracted by the welfare state. It is simple. They want hand outs which they won’t get in their home country.

    Not in the USA. If they’re legal working-class immigrants, they’re not eligible for State-funded welfare benefits such as food stamps or Medicaid which applies only to non-working citizens, most of whom are the urban black underclass or the rural poor whites. Asian and Latino immigrants tend to be working-class people who work in service industries earning minimum wages, get no welfare benefits and pay income and social security taxes to the U.S. government. Illegals are even worse: below minimum wages and no social security nor welfare benefits. The USA is the only Western “democracy” that I know of where working-class people who work for small businesses don’t have access to a State-funded National Healthcare System unlike Canada, UK or Germany.

    2. Everything is competitive in Asia. e.g. school placement. I donated 6 figures (USD) to get my kids to a school that has an acceptance rate that is lower than Harvard. that’s just a primary school…Population density and limited raw resources makes daily life a struggle for a majority of the population.

    Admission into the top State-funded public universities in China is harder than getting into the top Capitalist-funded private universities in the USA. For example, getting into Beijing University or Tsinghua is harder than getting into Harvard or Stanford. For rich, status-hungry Chinese parents who find China too tough, they would rather send their kids to the USA where they can just buy spots for their spoiled brats in brand-name private colleges and universities.

    3. The illusion that the West is an egalitarian utopia. This comes from being constantly being fed lies by the western media and watching too many Hollywood movies. Kind of like how Godfree Roberts would portray China here. As a chinaman, I know the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

    For working-class immigrants, they think the USA is the land of milk and honey. That’s their American Dream. The reality is very different after they arrive in America.

    4. They like nature and the outdoors. This is a big thing. Asian cities are way too urban.

    This is BS. Asian immigrants like living in dense, urban cities and find sparsely-populated suburban lifesytles to be too sterile and boring. So they get homesick and eventually move back to Asia.

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  247. @Malla

    Modern German was created by Luther, Czech by Johannes Hus, Russian by Lomonosov, Italian by Florentine intellectuals, Spanish by Nebrija in 1492, etc. etc. Never realized Hindi and Urdu were also artificial in that sense.

    India having 1.4 billion inhabitants and at least a dozen major languages, wouldn’t it be time for the creation of a truly Indian language, without any colonial overtones? I am sure India could pull this off magnificently.

  248. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Nonsense. Hindi has been spoken for many centuries in North Indian villages that the British never set foot in. They could not “create” a language that they did not speak.

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  249. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Nonsense. Hindi has been spoken for many centuries in North Indian villages that the British never set foot in.

    Nope not true. Reread my post, that is fact. In the words of K.B. Jindal, author of A history of Hindi literature: “Hindi as we know it today is the product of the nineteenth century.”

    Another view was that of George Abraham Grierson, an Irish linguist and Civil servant, who said that the standard or pure Hindi which contemporary Indians use is “an artificial dialect the mother tongue of no native-born Indian, a newly invented speech, that wonderful hybrid known to Europeans as Hindi and invented by them.”

    It is just that most Indians do not know this. After all the history taught in Indian classrooms and which comes in the media is pure propaganda. Most have not heard of languages like Dahalvi or Dakhini. Most Indians do not know of the Brahmi script or have never seen it. Most believe that all ancient texts were written in the Devanagari script, which is very recent. When I as an Indian came to know all these truths, I was shocked too.

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  250. @Malla

    Malla,

    It seems you are referring to modern standard Hindi and not the Hindi language. At least according to:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi

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  251. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yes very true but those earlier versions of Hindi would sound quite alien to modern Hindi speakers. Hindi has its roots in Indo Aryan languages just like most other North Indian languages but the earlier versions like Awadhi and Khariboli were quite different from modern Hindi.
    Modern Hindi – one of the youngest Indian languages – is based on the Khariboli dialect (vernacular of Delhi and the surrounding region) and its literary tradition evolved towards the end of the 18th century. Khariboli itself had evolved to replace earlier dialects such as Awadhi.
    In 1800, neither the Hindi nor Urdu forms of Khari Boli had prose traditions of any importance. Through the efforts of European and Indian scholars, teachers, and linguists at the college and at the nearby and closely-connected Serampore Mission, a new tradition of prose in both forms came into being. … The most important European scholar in the development of Hindi and Urdu prose was an energetic Scotsman, John B. Gilchrist.
    Hindi evolved at a time, when Urdu – another form of Hindustani since the 1800s – underwent significant Persian influence and acquired linguistic prestige. In the late 18th and early 19th century, under The East India Company, Hindustani was developed into separate Hindustani standardization: Hindi and Urdu.
    Gilchrist wrote ‘bifurcation of Khariboli into two forms – the Hindustani language with Khariboli as the root resulted in two languages (Hindi and Urdu), each with its own character and script.’

    In other words, what was Hindustani language was segregated into Hindi and Urdu (written in the Devanagari and Persian scripts), codified and formalised.

    [MORE]

    Santosh Kumar Khare on the origin of Hindi in Truth about Language in India wrote in his essay: ‘the notion of Hindi and Urdu as two distinct languages crystallized at Fort William College, Calcutta in the first half of the 19th century.’ He added: “their linguistic and literary repertoires were built up accordingly, Urdu borrowing from Persian/Arabic and Hindi from Sanskrit.’

    Contemporary Dutch historian Thomas De Bruijin says that Fort William College in Calcutta, Capital of Bengal as well as British India at that time was ‘more or less the birthplace of modern Hindi.’

    The birthplace of modern Hindi is Calcutta. And it was in Fort William that this invention took place under the tireless efforts of John Gilchrist.

    However Gilchrist was not alone, other Europeans played a big part in the creation of modern Hindi. According to Grierson’s ‘Linguistic Survey of India’, Vol IX, Part 1, the first European who attempted to systematize “Hindustani” grammar was a Dutch envoy, John Joshua Katelaer. He was the Director of Trade at Surat for the Dutch East India Company. He was also accredited to Shah Alam Bahadur Shah (1708-1712) and then Jahandar Shah (1712) as Dutch envoy. This gave him a direct contact with “Hindustani” by which he meant the languages spoken by people living all the way from Gujarat and Punjab to UP. His experience enabled him to compile Hindustani vocabulary and frame its grammar under the title, ‘Lingua Hindostanica’. This original Hindustani grammar was written in Dutch. In 1715 it was translated into Latin and published by David Mills, professor of Oriental Languages in the University of Utrecht, in his ‘Miscelanea Orientalia’. The only known manuscript of the Dutch edition, copied by Katelaer’s assistant in Lucknow, is now preserved in Rijks-Archief in The Hague, Holland.
    Katelaer’s pioneering effort was followed by ‘Grammatica Hindostanica’ (1744) by Benjamin Schultze, a missionary to South India. It was also written in Latin. These Latin beginnings were succeeded by English speaking scholars who standardized “North Indian” dialects into Hindustani or “Hindi” language. Some of these included George Hadley’s ‘Grammar<' (1772), with English – Hindustani Vocabulary, Herasim Labedeff’s'Grammar' (1801), and from 1798 onwards many works of John Borthwick Gilchrist such as Lexicons, dictionaries, and grammars for Hindustani.
    As the head of the Fort William College in Calcutta, Gilchrist's worked with Lallulal who came with 'Premsagar' (Ocean of Love). Lallulal served at the Fort William College. His work is a “Hindi” version of the tenth book of 'Bhagvata Purana', celebrating Krishna as an icon of love, including his sensual love for the gopis.  'Premsagar’ began to define Khari Boli (High Hindi) of Delhi region only because the East India Company made it a required reading in schools and for civil and military servicemen. Khari Boli was not synonymous with our Hindi. Before and after Lallulal, Urdu remained Hindustani’s main stream; Hindi was a minor channel.
    The point is that Gilchrist, a master of Indian languages, the head of dozens of Western linguists and Hindu pundits, used the term Hindustani to include both Urdu and Hindi, Lallu Lal’s ‘Khari Boli’, Tulsi Das’s (Great Hindu poet)’Purbi'(Eastern), or Surdas’ ‘Braj Bhasha’ (Pachhami or Western, also called Dehati Jabaan). This generic usage of the term Hindi remained true for eminent Grammarians such as John Shakespeare ( A Grammar of the Hindustani Language, London, 1813), Captain W. Price (1823); William Yates (1827) W. Andrew; Garcin de Tassy; James R. Balantyne (1842); Arnot Sanford (1844); Sir Monier Williams (1860); John Dowson (1872); John Platts (1874); and Edward Henry Palmer (1882). Rev. Samuel H. Kellogg, a contemporary of Bharatendu Harishchand, was a Presbyterian missionary in Allahabad. He was the first linguist to make a distinction between Urdu and Hindi and integrate 14 different languages and dialects to create modern Hind, in Which are The High Hindi, Braj, And the Eastern Hindi of the Ramayan of Tulsi Das, and the Colloquial Dialects of Rajputana, Kumaon, Avadh, Rewa, Bhojpur, Magadha, Maithila, Etc. It was Kellogg’s labour that made it possible for “Hindi” to become one language – the Lingua Franca of “North India.”
    The “High Hindi” or Khari Boli was the dialect around Delhi. The suffix “high” was transported from “High” German, the language created by the Protestant reformer Martin Luther through his translation of the Bible and Hymn-book.
    Until British rulers and educators made Tulsi Das’ Ramcharit Manas the standard text of Avadhi or Purabi(Eastern) Hindi, the Hindu Pundits did not promote it as sacred Scripture. This was because Tulsi Das composed his masterful epic in a local dialect, not in Sanskrit. Another problem was that he used Persian and Arabic words that had become common throughout the Mogul Empire. Additionally, Tulsi’s readers, even within UP, found it difficult to understand him. This was partly because the vocabulary of each Hindi dialect was very limited and the grammatical forms and syntax of the Purabi (Eastern) dialect differed significantly from Khari Boli (around Delhi) and Braj Bhasha (around Mathura,land of my ancestors).
    Without Kellogg’s effort at integrating different Hindi dialects into one Grammar, there would not have had a Hindi which could unite North India emotionally and intellectually through one mother-tongue. Kellogg’s Grammar was used by everyone who established schools and colleges in North India (mostly Protestant Christian missionaries). It was adopted as the standard grammar text by Indian Civil Services and British-Indian military. Those historical steps made it possible for the emergence of a Standard Hindi. In turn, this linguistic revolution united North India, enabling an officer to serve outside of his own little linguistic geography.
    Edwin Greaves, the first Principal of the Landour Language School, was a missionary in Benaras. There he had already championed the use of Devanagri as the script most appropriate for Hindi language. He encouraged and guided Hindi scholars such as Shyam Sunder Das and Ramchandra Shukla of Nagri Pracharni Sabha (Society for Propagation of Nagri Script) to create the encyclopedic, 11-volumes ‘Hindi Shabd Sagar’ (the Sea of Hindi words). It was published in 1929, after two decades of diligent effort.

    Besides after 1947 many new Hindi words were invented (out of the blue) as the government was planning to get rid of English. It was due to opposition from South Indians like Tamils that English remains as one of the languages of state in India.

  252. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    To all Wikipedia buffs, you’d be better off if you stuck to the sections on math & science.

  253. anarchyst says:
    @antibeast

    Your statement is correct:

    If they’re legal working-class immigrants, they’re not eligible for State-funded welfare benefits such as food stamps or Medicaid which applies only to non-working citizens, most of whom are the urban black underclass or the rural poor whites. Asian and Latino immigrants tend to be working-class people who work in service industries earning minimum wages, get no welfare benefits and pay income and social security taxes to the U.S. government. Illegals are even worse: below minimum wages and no social security nor welfare benefits. The USA is the only Western “democracy” that I know of where working-class people who work for small businesses don’t have access to a State-funded National Healthcare System unlike Canada, UK or Germany.

    You are correct.

    However, the children of immigrants who are born on American soil, and even those who are not DO qualify for ALL benefits, many of which are denied to native-born Americans.

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  254. antibeast says:
    @anarchyst

    Yes and No. If you’re a working-class person, native-born or immigrant, who’s earning an income above the “poor”, then you get nothing — not a thing — from the US government even though you pay income taxes to the IRS. But if you’re “poor”, then you get subsidized housing (section 8), food stamps (SNAP), family support (TANP), healthcare (Medicaid), cost of living support (SSI), etc. The “poor” in the USA is defined as someone earning a little above minimum wage. So what has happened is that the “poor” — native-born US citizens who don’t work — end up getting most of the welfare benefits paid by people who do work and pay taxes. And those “poor” are mostly either poor urban Blacks in Blue States or poor rural Whites in Red States.

  255. Mike237 says:

    Mike should have started the article bragging of his obvious shilling for Huawei and from there bragged of how they took down Nortel.

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