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The unexpected alliance between Turkey and Libya is a geopolitical earthquake that changes the balance of power in the eastern Mediterranean and across the Middle East. Turkey’s audacious move has enraged its rivals in the region and cleared the way for a dramatic escalation in the 9 year-long Libyan civil war. It has also forced leaders in Europe and Washington to decide how they will counter Turkey’s plan to defend the U.N-recognized Government of National Accord (GNA), and to extend its maritime borders from Europe to Africa basically creating “a water corridor through the eastern Mediterranean linking the coasts of Turkey and Libya.” Leaders in Ankara believe that the agreement “is a major coup in energy geopolitics” that helps defend Turkey’s “sovereign rights against the gatekeepers of the regional status quo.” But Turkey’s rivals strongly disagree. They see the deal as a naked power grab that undermines their ability to transport natural gas from the East Mediterranean to Europe without crossing Turkish waters. In any event, the Turkey-Libya agreement has set the stage for a broader conflict that will unavoidably involve Egypt, Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Europe, Russia and the United States. All parties appear to have abandoned diplomatic channels altogether and are, instead, preparing for war.

On November 27, Turkey and Libya signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) that commits Turkey to providing military assistance to Libya’s Government of National Accord (GNA). The MoU also redraws Turkey’s maritime boundaries in a way that dramatically impacts the transport of gas from the East Mediterranean to Europe. Israel is particularly worried that this new deal will undermine its plans for a 1,900-kilometer EastMed pipeline connecting the Leviathan gas field, off the coast of Israel, to the EU. YNET News summarized Israel’s concerns in an ominously titled article: “Turkey’s maneuver could block Israel’s access to the sea”. Here’s an excerpt:

“Two of Israel’s wars (1956 Sinai campaign and 1967 Six-Day War) broke out over navigation rights. Israel must take note of a new reality taking hold in the Mediterranean. It must regard Turkey’s actions as a substantial strategic threat and consider what it may do to respond to it…

This EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zones) designation essentially carved up much of the energy-rich Eastern Mediterranean between Turkey and Libya, prompting a wave of international condemnations first and foremost from Greece, Egypt, and Cyprus, who may be directly or indirectly affected…..Turkey’s disregard for the economic waters of Greece, Cyprus, and Egypt.

Ankara is in effect annexing those areas pending an appeal to international tribunals, which can take many years to resolve. In practical terms, Turkey created a sea border the width of the entire Mediterranean.” (“Turkey’s maneuver could block Israel’s access to the sea”, ynet news)

The analysis from America’s premier Foreign Policy magazine was no less foreboding. Check it out:

“Turkey is meshing together two Mediterranean crises in a desperate bid to reshape the region in its own favor, with potentially nasty implications both for the ongoing civil war in Libya and future energy development in the eastern Mediterranean.

This month, Turkey’s unusual outreach to the internationally recognized government of Libya has resulted in a formal agreement for Ankara to provide military support, including arms and possibly troops, in its bid to hold off an offensive from Russian-backed rebels in the eastern part of the country. The military agreement came just weeks after Turkey and that same Government of National Accord reached an unusual agreement to essentially carve up much of the energy-rich eastern Mediterranean between them—threatening to cut out Greece and Cyprus from the coming bonanza….” (“Newly Aggressive Turkey Forges Alliance With Libya”, Foreign Policy)

While these new developments are likely to intensify the fighting on the ground in Libya, they also portend a deepening of divisions within the region itself where new coalitions are forming and battle-lines are being drawn. On the one side is the Turkey-Libya Axis, while on the other is Greece, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, France, Germany, UK and probably the United States although the Trump administration has not yet clarified its position. In any event, the war between Libya’s internationally-recognized government and Haftar’s Libyan National Army (LNA) is just a small part of a much larger struggle over vital hydrocarbons in a strategically-located area of the Mediterranean. Here’s a clip from an article at War On The Rocks that helps to underscore the stakes involved:

“The discovery of significant deposits of natural gas in the Eastern Mediterranean beginning in 2009 was a game-changer that upended regional geopolitics. It prompted new and unexpected alliances between Israel, Greece, Cyprus, and Egypt to maximize their chances of energy self-sufficiency. The bulk of the gas lies in Egypt’s Zohr field, the Leviathan and Tamar fields in Israeli waters, and the Aphrodite near the island of Cyprus. With recoverable natural gas reserves in the region estimated at upward of 120 trillion cubic feet, the strategic implications could not be bigger. This is about the same amount as the proven gas in the whole of Iraq, the 12th largest reserve globally….(Israel’s gas field) Leviathan is estimated to hold 22 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas, and a potential half a million barrels of oil.” (“Hydrocarbon Diplomacy: Turkey’s Gambit Might Yet Pay a Peace Dividend”, warontherocks.com)

Turkey’s ambitious gambit makes it more likely that its rivals will increase their support for the Libyan warlord, Haftar, who is, by-most-accounts, a CIA asset that was sent to Libya in 2014 to topple the government in Tripoli and unify the country under a US puppet. Haftar’s forces currently control more than 70% of the Libyan territory while almost 60% of the population is under the control of the GNA led by Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj. According to Turkish news: “More than half of Haftar’s troops are mercenaries from Russia and Sudan, who are mainly paid by the Gulf states.”

In April, 2019, Haftar launched an offensive on the government in Tripoli but was easily repelled. In recent days, however, Haftar has resumed his attacks on the city of Misrata and on the Tripoli airport in clear violation of the Berlin ceasefire agreement. He has also received shipments of weapons from the UAE despite an arms embargo that was unanimously approved two weeks ago at the same Berlin Conference. We expect that support for Haftar will continue to grow in the months ahead as Berlin, Paris and particularly Washington settle on a plan for reinforcing proxies to prosecute the ground war and for blunting Turkey’s power projection in the Mediterranean.

The Turkey-Libya agreement is a clumsy attempt to impose Turkey’s preferred maritime boundaries on the other countries bordering the Mediterranean. Naturally, Washington will not allow this unilateral assertion of power to go unchallenged.

And while Washington’s strategy has not yet been announced, that merely indicates that the foreign policy establishment was caught off-guard by Turkey’s November 27 announcement. It does not mean that Washington will accept the status quo. To the contrary, US war-planners are undoubtedly putting the finishing touches on a new strategy aimed at achieving their objectives in Libya while at the same time dealing a stinging blow to a NATO ally that has grown closer to Russia, caused endless headaches in Syria, and is now disrupting Washington’s plans for controlling vital resources in the East Mediterranean.

Washington sees Turkey’s assertive foreign policy as a sign of “defiance” which requires a iron-fisted response. But any attack on Turkey or Turkish interests will only intensify the bad blood between Ankara and Washington, it will only put more pressure on the threadbare NATO alliance, and it will only push Turkish president Erdogan further into Moscow’s corner. Indeed, the Trump team should realize that an overreaction on their part could trigger a fateful realignment that could reshape the region while hastening the emergence of a new order.

 
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  1. So good to have Mike Whitney back. Even though this is an important and developing story, there’s absolutely nothing about it in the MSM–and precious little in the alt-media either.

    Ankara is in effect annexing those areas pending an appeal to international tribunals, which can take many years to resolve.

    On the one side is the Turkey-Libya Axis, while on the other is Greece, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, France, Germany, UK and probably the United States …

    Wow. The Turks really have their work cut out for them here. Do they at least have Qatar on their side? And what about Russia? I heard a rumor that Moscow was also highly displeased with Erdogan’s new power-grab in Mediterranean. If so, Turkey’s f*cked.

    Turkey’s ambitious gambit makes it more likely that its rivals will increase their support for the Libyan warlord, Haftar, who is, by-most-accounts, a CIA asset that was sent to Libya in 2014 to topple the government in Tripoli and unify the country under a US puppet.

    I heard a funny story that the CIA made Haftar change his name, because it was originally Hifter. Bad branding, ya know! But I can almost believe it. After all, they made the Svoboda Party of Ukraine change their name from–get this!–the Social-Nationalist Party … too Nazi.

    • Replies: @Patriot Crack
    , @Adûnâi
  2. A123 says:

    The East Med pipeline will supply vast amounts of gas to Southern Europe (via Christian Cypus, Greece, and Italy).

    Turkey is rapidly becoming less relevant as a regional player, because the world correctly evaluates Erdogan as unreliable (at best). Grandiose schemes about adding Libya to his New Ottoman Empire will accelerate Turkish isolation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Ma Power
  3. A123–

    I agree, Erdogan is unreliable, but don’t you see a clash coming in the near future??
    Take a look at this:

    “Turkeys deal with Libya’s UN-recognised government in Tripoli is a signal to other Mediterranean states that Ankara can block their gas routes.

    Turkey’s recent moves in the Eastern Mediterranean have made waves after it signed a maritime deal with Libya’s Government of National Accord (GNA) based in Tripoli. The deal is a clear signal to other coastal states in the region that the gas game will not be played without Ankara’s consent.

    Other international actors cannot conduct exploration activities in the areas marked in the [Turkish-Libyan] memorandum. Greek Cypriots, Egypt, Greece and Israel cannot establish a natural gas transmission line without Turkey’s consent,” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, referring to the Ankara-Tripoli deal.

    Furthermore, the three Mediterranean powers have established a consortium, through which they have developed the EastMed pipeline project, aiming to transport the newly discovered gas reserves from the Eastern Mediterranean to southern Europe.

    While the route of the pipeline goes through Turkey’s EEZs, Ankara was not consulted on the implementation of the project, angering the Turkish state, which eventually developed its own plan to block the EastMed project by reaching an understanding with Libya’s UN-recognised Tripoli government.
    https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/why-did-turkey-sign-a-maritime-deal-with-libya-32064

    This looks like a HUGE issue to me and one that could result in war.

    • Agree: Tusk
  4. There is no reason for Turkey to be consulted because the pipeline and exploration DOES not pass through its Exclusive Economic Zone. It passes through the EEZ of Israel, Greece and Cyprus. Turkey believes that the Greek islands of Kastelorizo and Crete and Cyprus do not have an EEZ. However, the Law of the Sea is clear. Islands that have only the potential for economic relations with the mainland have an EEZ. They do not even need to be populated. Both Kastelorizo and Crete are populated and are deeply integrated with the Greek mainland. All cases taken to the International Court Justice have decided in favour of islands having an EEZ. Please refer to the case of Canada and France over two French islands off the coast of Canada.

    Do not be taken in by Turkish propaganda.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
  5. Here are the EEZ’s of the respective East Med countries according to the Law of the Sea. Turkey has no case.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    , @Lo
  6. Tusk says:
    @Agathoklis

    I thought that was the case, and when checking ArcGIS for EEZs it does indeed show the same as the picture you posted. If Turkey/Libya think they can extend their territory across the width of the Med than Greece could easily do the same from Greece, or Egypt and any other country. I guess Turkey can try it, but I don’t think it will work out for them.

    • Replies: @Popeye
    , @Curmudgeon
  7. The problem is that the only EEZ areas that have been delimited have been the areas with yellow line i.e. Egypt/Cyprus and Italy/Greece. Greece must as soon as possible delimit their EEZ with Egypt. It also must support the forces of Haftar in Egypt. He did recently fly to Athens for talks.

  8. barr says:
    @Mike Whitney

    Erdogan should cede N W Syria to Russia -Iran – Syria and ask them to join the new corridor .

    Israeli claim on the fields do not jive with geographical reality Gazan( Palestinian ) can make the same demands and rightfully so. Also Lebanon has issue with Israeli mischief .

  9. Agathoklis

    My understanding is that is it could take years in court for Cypress to reverse Turkey’s new boundaries. Meanwhile, Turkey will say that it is operating within the law. (The laws are not entirely clear on this matter)

    barr:

    I agree that “Erdogan should cede N W Syria to Russia -Iran”– Syria”, but Erdogan reiterated today, that Turkey will fight to maintain its grip on that part of Idlib. I’m not sure how Putin will handle this, but he’s already given Erdogan more than a year to remove jihadists from the area. Erdogan has failed to keep up his end of the bargain, so I expect Putin will have to clean up the area himself. What other choice does he have?

    Also, I don’t think Putin will support Erdogan’s project in Libya, but he has cooperated by removing most (or all) of the Russian mercenaries (the Wagner Group) that were hired by Haftar. So he has helped Erdogan in some respects.

  10. Incorrect. The so-called agreement between Libya and Turkey does not impact Cyprus and its EEZ but Greece. Given they are both Greek states and work very closely on all foreign policy matters, then I suppose they are both impacted, but politically it only impacts the EEZ of the Hellenic Republic. There is another dispute between Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus about the EEZ surrounding Cyprus. However, Cyprus has contracted various oil companies including American, French and Italian ones. The French aircraft carrier and several ships and fighter planes were in the Cypriot EEZ over the last few days to send a signal against Turkish actions.

    French aircraft carrier in Cyprus Block 8

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/249188/article/ekathimerini/news/french-aircraft-carrier-in-cyprus-block-8

  11. A123 says:
    @Mike Whitney

    I agree, Erdogan is unreliable, but don’t you see a clash coming in the near future??
    Take a look at this:

    “Turkeys deal with Libya’s UN-recognised government in Tripoli is a signal to other Mediterranean states that Ankara can block their gas routes.

    The Med is large and pipelines are small. An East-West pipeline can easily pass under/over a North-South pipeline. So it really does not ‘block’ the EastMed build.

    The claim to gas fields that belong to Christian Cyprus is more troubling, but as long as Turkey is not attempting to actively develop those areas, it is not a source of immediate escalation. Israel and Lebanon have been disputing a wedge shaped area for many years. That has stayed quiet because all sides are avoiding development in the disputed zone.
    _____

    Odds are Erdogan’s posturing on Exclusive Economic Zones is for domestic consumption by his base. He can win points by sounding strong, but does not have to actively escalate with the EastMed participant nations.

    There does not seem to be any upside to intentionally starting a conflict with Italy, Greece, and Israel:

    — The U.S. would definitely assist the EastMed group.
    — The EU would have to back EU members Italy And Greece.
    — Russia would likely stay mostly neutral. However, Putin has to say positive things about pipeline right of way issues as part of Russia’s Nordstream 2 posture.

    So far Erdogan’s actions have been aggravating and unfortunate. Not crazy and over the line provocative.
    ________

    If Erdogan wants Libya, he can have the situation. It is not as fractious as Afghanistan, but Libya is still rife with internal factions. The Barack Hussein & Hillary Clinton, Globalist efforts have had years and achieved little positive.

    Turkey backing a strong-man to force the sides to stop sniping at each other is a more credible option. Egypt had found successes by dumping the Globalist color revolution agenda.

    PEACE 😇

  12. @Mike Whitney

    I think it would be incredibly unwise to under-rate Turkish military power or resolve. I also agree that we have a genuine ticking time bomb here.
    It will be extremely interesting to see if Turkey can out- manoeuvre it’s Mediterranean competitors (especially a certain tribal entity given to practising apartheid).

  13. Alfred says:
    @A123

    The East Med pipeline will supply vast amounts of (Jewish?) gas to Southern Europe (via Christian Cypus, Greece, and Italy). 🙂

    Thank you 123 for the Zionist spin.

    Here is an article from the very biased OilPrice.com. A Google version shows that the article originally contained “but one ambitious pipeline project may have bitten off more than it can chew.” I guess the Israelis complained and the journalist had to scrub it.

    The Mediterranean Pipeline Wars Are Heating Up

    The reality is that this is an extremely expensive pipeline – needing to traverse an area that is 3km (2 miles) deep. Furthermore, any number of neighboring countries can sabotage it with underwater drones while pretending that someone else did it or that it was due to an earth tremor. It is an active earthquake zone. No country will rely on it without backup from other sources.

    Lastly, the theoretical capacity of this pipeline is a tiny fraction of that of other pipelines that will soon be able to supply Europe.

    No financier will put their money in this thing. At best, Israel makes peace with Syria and Lebanon and supplies them with gas. Even the Egyptians will soon not need it.

    Only this week, the pipeline supplying Egypt from Israel was blown up. The Israelis naturally deny it. Hilarious.

    Militants Suspected of Blowing Up Israel-Egypt Gas Pipeline, Officials Say

  14. Alfred says:

    If you think that you have problems with Erdogan, just think what it must be like with an American-financed gas pipeline that is supposed to “punish” Iran by depriving the Pakistanis and Indians of plentiful cheap Iranian gas. 🙂

    This pipeline travels Turkmenistan >> Afghanistan >> Pakistan >> India

    One issue is that the details are far from public view. Afghan officials, even back in 2018, seem to be more candid in noting, for example, that they needed to do assessments and land acquisition before construction could begin. But their offered timelines still come and go. Afghanistan isn’t even past the land acquisition hurdle as of January 2020, blowing past statements made in 2018 that the project would be completed by 2019.

    More TAPI Delays, This Time in Afghanistan (The Diplomat)

    The reality is that a good number of “actors” might have occasional need to blow up stretches of the pipeline. India and Pakistan are almost at war and don’t allow people to cross their border in either direction except on foot. The Americans would like to control the pipeline and dictate policies to all the countries along its length. The Taliban have promised not to blow it up. What could possibly go wrong?

    This reminds me of a giant game of JENGA. If anything, the EastMed Pipeline is a bigger mess. Compared to this, even Ukraine is a reliable supplier.

  15. Agathoklis –you say: “The French aircraft carrier and several ships and fighter planes were in the Cypriot EEZ over the last few days to send a signal against Turkish actions.”

    Doesn’t this underscore how serious the situation is??

    Think of the Mediterranean as a highway where Turkey has just arbitrarily slapped up a toll booth.
    Isn’t that what Erdogan has done?

    Erdogan thinks Turkey’s future depends on using its location to become the gas hub for all southern Europe…Turkstream from Russia is already finished and Erdogan hopes his friendship with Qatar will eventually result in gas from the giant Pars field being routed through Turkey. (Naturally, Iran won’t like that) This maritime “land grab” is the next phase of the Turkish plan called “Blue Homeland” Check it out:

    “Turkish moves need to be seen within a larger context. Ayhan Aktar, the Turkish academic, argues that this is the outcome of the new, and aptly named, “Mavi Vatan” or Blue Homeland doctrine, which claims “extensive maritime jurisdiction in the Aegean and Mediterranean seas.” Accordingly, this doctrine seeks to claim large segments of the Eastern Mediterranean continental shelf for Turkey’s benefit at the expense of its neighbours’.”

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    , @A123
  16. In 2011 the ZUS and ZNATO bombed Gaddafi’s Libya for 6 straight months and destroyed Libya and killed Gaddafi and put AL CIADA in power in Libya and so as usual this is the result of the ZUS via PNAC’s ie zionist regime change for zionists by zionists, the worlds greatest wreckers and destroyers of nations and humanity.

    Zionists are destroying the world and using the ZUS to do the job!

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Omegabooks
  17. The only thing that the people of Lydia should cede is their crazy dependence on Islam and with that gone, it would be welcomed back into the fold or it’s bye-bye to it all!

  18. Sean says:

    Turkey is balanced by other powers and is too far fram Liba for using military force. I think the Middle East and Europe are going to become progressively less important to America as it turns to face China, which is increasingly getting its energy from Russia as with the power of Siberia pipelines that have just switched on.

  19. Turk 152 says:

    The notion that the criminal ZioUS Empire has any legitimate interests in Libya is complete and utter nonsense. According to the former Ambassador to Libya that I spoke to, US companies were shut out of Libya because all Libyan trade was made through Turkey under Qaddafi. The last time Turkey was involved in Libya, it was a happy and prosperous country, not a slave market.

    • Replies: @romar
  20. @Desert Fox

    Because Israel is too cowardly to do it themselves. Plus the Talmud says Jews can use gentiles to do their dirty work. Why do you think they had the Romans murder Jesus Christ? And then there is the “800 gentile slaves per Jew” Talmudic garbage.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  21. Agent76 says:

    Dec 30, 2019 Russia Goes For Global Gas Dominance

    Despite the newly announced U.S. sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 project, Russia says it will build and launch next year the natural gas pipeline that has divided Europe for half a decade.

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Goes-For-Global-Gas-Dominance.html

    Dec 26, 2019 China, Russia and Iran do naval ‘power rebalancing’ in the Gulf of #Oman

    Washington panics as de facto anti-imperial group – #China #Russia and #Iran – does a ‘power rebalancing’ exercise in the Gulf of #Oman.

    Jul 4, 2019 Despite US Pressure Russia Strengthens Oil & Gas Cooperation With Iran And Vows For More Support

    Russia and Iran intend to increase their bilateral commodity trade. After the first four months of this year, this index amounted to around $700 million, and states still have goals to achieve.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  22. @Digital Samizdat

    Whitney cuts and pastes from the MSM. FP magazine i.e CIA Policy magazine is the mainstream media.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  23. Republic says:

    Moon of Alabama has better maps to explain this conflict.

  24. Z-man says:
    @Mike Whitney

    The only good thing about Erdogan is that he’s called out the JEW. For that you have to give him some consideration.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  25. @Patriot Crack

    Yeah, but his commentary is original.

  26. And while Washington’s strategy has not yet been announced ….

    Sure, the last one fizzled, but Colour Revolution in 5, 4, 3, ….

  27. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    Give me a break.

    Turkey is isolated, its economy in trouble, and it has many problems with every one of its neighbors.

    And Libya is splintered by a civil war.

    If other countries – including Europe, the US, and the Mediterranean countries – let Turkey and Erdogan get away with their bluster and North Korea-like insanity, then we have to declare that Turkish bluster works.

    The West and others have kowtowed to Turkey for 100 years. It is beyond ridiculous. You Turkophiles and sissies out there are to blame.

    I also urge people who have been bamboozled by Turkey to grow up and grow a backbone.

  28. Alfred says:
    @Z-man

    The only good thing about Erdogan is that he’s called out the JEW

    Erdogan is full of BS. What he says and what he actually does are two entirely different things.

    He was 100% an ally of Israel in the destruction of Syria. Now that his terrorists are being kicked out of their last stronghold in Idlib, the Jewish media of the West is moaning about it once more. Erdgan and Netanyahu are two faces of the same coin.

    Here is an example of the Jewish media portraying foreign terrorists as victims:

    The Assad regime and its Russian allies are brutally attacking Idlib province in Syria, but the world has abandoned the Syrian people.

    ‘We Are Left to Face Death Alone’ (NYT)


  29. Agathoklis says: • Website
    @Mike Whitney

    There is no toll both set up by Erdogan because the Law of the Sea recognises that most of the area south of Crete is Greek EEZ; therefore, Greece can just go and explore and drill there which they already have commissioned companies like Repsol, Hellenic Petroleum and Total to do so.

  30. @Mike Whitney

    The CIA has been reliably telling the public Erdogan is a bad guy. But at the same time they want him to have those F-35s assuming he doesn’t violate community standards. What this really means is the bulk of crap on the web is at best a story. It’s worked before – show the public a story, fake or real who knows, and all of these death cult worshipers get up in arms about how the world would be better off without “the weasel”. I’m surprised the opinion shaping mafia hasn’t escalated fast enough with Maduro. It takes a certain kind of childish credulity to get ‘er done.

  31. Talha says:

    Naturally, Washington will not allow this unilateral assertion of power to go unchallenged.

    OK, take it through the international courts. If it is a stupid law that Libya and Turkey are taking advantage of, then go through the legal proceedings to have it updated. If it is in the interests of more countries to have it repealed or updated, then it should be a relatively straightforward effort despite the protestations of Turkey and Libya.

    Peace.

  32. A123 says:
    @Mike Whitney

    Agathoklis –you say: “The French aircraft carrier and several ships and fighter planes were in the Cypriot EEZ over the last few days to send a signal against Turkish actions.”

    Doesn’t this underscore how serious the situation is??

    Think of the Mediterranean as a highway where Turkey has just arbitrarily slapped up a toll booth.
    Isn’t that what Erdogan has done?

    China has “slapped up a toll booth” by:

    — Building artificial islands in the South China Sea.
    — Harassing fisherman from nearby countries.
    — Causing collisions between military naval vessels.

    Erdogan’s misbehaviour is much more limited.
    _____

    The reason for the French reaction is to deal with the small problem while it is still small. It is a warning to Erdogan that Muslim theft of Christian property will not be permitted. Christian Italy, Christian Greece, and Christian Cyprus cannot be bullied by Muslim mouth frothing, gibbering, and blustering.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    Babylon 5 — Londo Mollari: “Big concerns grow from small concerns. You plant them, water them with tears, fertilize them with unconcern. If you ignore them, they grow. “

    • Replies: @Lo
  33. maybe nato countries should have stopped not supported a military coup against turkeys prime minister. hey russia… good chess move.

  34. Skeptikal says:

    Isn’t most of this gas field actually off the coast of Gaza/Palestine, not “Israel”?

    Can the Palestinians make an issue of this in an international forum?

    • Agree: Alfred
  35. Skeptikal says:

    I don’t quite get what legal precedent or theory allows Turkey to join up with Libya to in effect create a cordon sanitaire across the Med. Even t hough this cordon sanitaire passes through international waters and in effect domesticates international waters.

    By the same theory Britain and France could deny other nations the right to pass through the Channel if they formed such a band. Any two countries that face each other across a large expanse of water could “unilaterally” declare that this part of the ocean is now in effect an inland sea.

    What do experts in maritime law, or indeed the UN agency involved with the law of the sea, or indeed Lloyds of London and other insurers and other such actors say about this “sea grab”?

    Surely Turkey and Libya cannot claim to control the seabed between their two countries without simultaneously also claiming to control the sea surface and the column of water between the surface and the sea bed . . . (Quite apart from the gas field grab of claiming for Israel a gas field that actually lies off the coast of Gaza/Palestine.)

    Can anyone explain this to me?

    • Replies: @Lo
  36. In this particular instance an understanding of Exclusive Economic Zone is of most relevance:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone

  37. Great article Michael,

    Money – History – Current times – Money

    – CASH: Money trumps cultural values – even though US might disagree –
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream

    – PAST: Historical and cultural connections are influential more than we think
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya%E2%80%93Turkey_relations

    – REALITY: Turkey already re-established it’s influence on Europe by helping “other” Europeans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurkStream

    – CASH: Money trumps strategic politics… in USA too, wow???!!! I guess US agrees. I stand corrected. https://www.rt.com/russia/480242-russia-big-energy-exports-america/

  38. Popeye says:
    @Tusk

    Well the Turks can see a precedent that seems relatively successful and pretty much unchallenged.. China’s attempt to claim the Lion’s share of the South China Sea as theirs. Although the Chinese position was rejected by the World Court in case brought by Philippines, China is not budging. In addition to basically usurping EEZ of Philippines, China has usurped EEZ Waters of others including Vietnam, Brunei,.Taiwan and I believe Malaysia. But the smaller nations don’t want to poke the Dragons Eye too hard. So maybe erdogan sees this and figures…this might work for me too…

  39. Lo says:
    @Agathoklis

    Why is Turkey’s EEZ so little in this map? It seems like they have a longer shore there. Why should a tiny island named Kastelorizo have more exclusive zone than Turkish cities 1000 times its size just 1 mile north?

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  40. Lo says:
    @Skeptikal

    Countries can claim 200 nautical miles from their shores. In case of overlapping regions they resolve the dispute by negotiations. Greece is being a nuisance for Turkey because they are bankrupt and hoping Jews can help them, also obsession with Turks is a national pastime. Israel wants Turkey to stop supporting Palestinians, otherwise they preferred pipeline to go through Turkey. Some Greeks delude themselves into thinking if things get serious someone will do their fight. Turkey’s claim is legit. Which is why Greeks are fuming but avoiding courts as no court will approve their delusional claims. In any case building the pipeline under Mediterranean is not really a good option.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  41. Lo says:
    @A123

    The reason for French reaction is their war crimes in Libya and the fact that Turkey supports the UN recognized government in Tripoli. If Libya ends with a democratic government France will end up paying for their crimes by losing all influence and contracts in Libya. France does not have power to wage conventional war against Turkey without suffering major losses.

    • Replies: @romar
  42. @Lo

    Rubbish. All findings of the ICJ conclude that islands have an EEZ as long as they have the potential of economic integration with the mainland.

    • Replies: @Lo
  43. @Lo

    Again, nonsense. Turkey’s claims are completely illegitimate. Why does the US have an EEZ around Guam, Wake Island, or American Samoa? These islands lay thousands of kilometres from the mainland US coast. Why does France have an EEZ around Mayotte or Clipperton Island despite not even lying in the Atlantic Ocean which abuts north-western France? This is because UNCLOS recognises that offshore islands have an EEZ.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Lo
  44. romar says:
    @Turk 152

    “The last time Turkey was involved in Libya, it was a happy and prosperous country, not a slave market.”
    That “last time” was when Kadafi was alive, before Erdogan’s sadistic Misrata gangs tortured him to death. https://www.voltairenet.org/article171731.html
    See also: “… in 2011 Turkey placed at NATO’s disposal [for training and arming] the militia from Misrata, a city dominated by the families of former Ottoman soldiers, often Circassians or Jews converted to Islam, who settled in Libya in the 19th century.” https://www.voltairenet.org/article208652.html
    Turkey has been on board for destroying Libya from the outset. And now, Erdogan plans to take matters into his sole hands..

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Turk 152
  45. romar says:
    @Lo

    Turkey’ support for the GNA is only a tactic: what he wants is to rule Libya through a proxy.

    • Replies: @Lo
  46. Here’s a question that no one has asked: Why haven’t we heard any response from the US yet?
    Pompeo said Erdogan’s move was “illegal”, but beyond that there’s been nothing but silence.
    Why?

    According to Bloomberg:

    The U.S. said it is deeply concerned by Turkey’s gas explorations in the waters off Cyprus and has urged Turkey to halt them. The European Union has responded to the operations by freezing most high-level contacts with Turkey and cutting the flow of funds to Ankara that were to have eased Turkey’s integration with the bloc.

    Also, according to McClatchy:

    White House officials told McClatchy in April they had requested a formal observer role at future meetings of the Eastern Mediterranean Gas Forum – comprised of Jordan, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Israel and the Palestinian Authority – offering to help flesh out the structure of the forum with U.S. expertise.

    That office, called the Bureau of Energy Resources, has been working since the Obama era to wean Europe off of Russian fuel and build “an integrated energy market to catalyze regional cooperation and bolster energy security,” according to its website….

    In March, Pompeo attended a signing ceremony in Tel Aviv among Greek, Israeli and Cypriot officials for an agreement to advance a $7 billion pipeline that would facilitate the export of local gas to Europe. National security officials tell McClatchy it was an intentional signal of U.S. support for the project, although they continue to express skepticism over the feasibility and cost of laying pipe so deep beneath the sea.

    The Trump administration is supporting two bipartisan congressional efforts that track with its approach: One bill that “promotes security and energy partnerships in the Eastern Mediterranean,” introduced on a bipartisan basis in both houses in May, and another threatening to sanction European firms supporting the construction of Nord Stream 2 pipelines into Germany, predominantly funded by Russia’s state-owned Gazprom.” (McClatchy)

    So this is a very big deal, and it could lead to war.
    Turkey’s claims might be defensible in court, but it will never get to court because Washington will develop a plan to slap him down.
    In Pompeo’s mind, Erdogan committed the unforgivable crime of maritime territorial aggression.
    This lays the groundwork for another coup attempt in Ankara, a sharp escalation in Libya or a faceoff in the Mediterranean.

    In any event, Washington is not going to let this go unchallenged.

    • Replies: @A123
  47. Adûnâi says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    “I heard a funny story that the CIA made Haftar change his name”

    This article literally claims that Haftar is supported by the CIA, the RF and the UAE.

    “After all, they made the Svoboda Party of Ukraine change their name from–get this!–the Social-Nationalist Party … too Nazi.”

    Svoboda was so Nazi, it never wanted to exterminate the Jews, oligarchs or put women back into the kitchen. Stop with this nonsense that there are Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Kim Jong Il knows, I would join them. Alas, there are none.

    But it is true that Ukraine is a funny place. Social Nationalists, you say? Here male students can talk about “Cultural Marxism” in a public speech, and nobody (bar me) bats an eye! A physics teacher believes in magic and dowsing. The world outside the DPR of Korea is a mad place.

    @Mike Whitney “Cubic feet”? Foot fetishism is out of bounds.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Curmudgeon
  48. Ma Power says:
    @A123

    The EastMed pipeline is a pipe dream. It has no economic viability and will never get built, irrespective of Turkey’s intentions.

    • Replies: @A123
  49. Alfred says:
    @Agathoklis

    Agreed.

    The UK has lots of such islands. Just think of the Falklands. The Japanese and Koreans pay a hefty price for squid-fishing there.


    The Falkland Islands – Maritime Jurisdiction

  50. Yup Ma Power, dead right – especially if LNG prices continue their collapse.

    Funny how Mike Whitney could miss the truly important energy story in favour of focusing on the petty rivalries of these small-time energy wannabes in the Med.

    Israeli dreams of being energy big shots timed the peak of the market perfectly. Hilarious to see bibi gadflying around with his sharp elbows while the price of natty collapses in front of his face.

    He’s as witless as Mike Whitney.

  51. Alfred says:
    @Adûnâi

    Here (Ukraine) male students can talk about “Cultural Marxism” in a public speech

    But not a single bookshop stocks any books by Marx or any Communist literature. I guess that is called “freedom”. 🙂

    Why do you bother writing such obvious lies about Ukraine being a normal country?

    3 local TV stations in Kharkov alone were shut down. Journalists who don’t follow the government’s wishes get shot or have to flee the country. They even pretended that the Russians killed one.

    Ukraine reveals it staged ‘murder’ of Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  52. @Tusk

    I suspect the loophole in the EEZ will be a play on “economic”. The pipeline is not developing any resources on the seabed, therefore can be characterized as being an exchange, or transfer. If a boat can cross the same area filled with gas, and not be subject to the EEZ, why can’t a pipeline?

  53. @Adûnâi

    it never wanted to exterminate the Jews, oligarchs or put women back into the kitchen.

    Neither did the “real” Nazis. The closest they came to putting women back in the kitchen was paying them for procreating.

  54. Lo says:
    @romar

    Proof? Turkey has billions invested in Libya, also has billions in unpaid debt. Moreover, Turkey is there with the invitation of the UN recognized government. I’d say let Libyans make their own decisions. A faulty democracy is better than installing another dictator.

  55. “Two of Israel’s wars (1956 Sinai campaign and 1967 Six-Day War) broke out over navigation rights. Israel must take note of a new reality taking hold in the Mediterranean. It must regard Turkey’s actions as a substantial strategic threat and consider what it may do to respond to it…”

    Of course neither war had anything to do with Eretz Israel.

  56. Lo says:
    @Agathoklis

    I will ask again, why should a 12km2 island 1 mile off coast Turkey have more maritime delimitation than Turkish mainland right next to it? Turks don’t argue that islands are not entitled to maritime zone under no circumstance, however, they point that the law recognizes islands can have distortive effect with regards to maritime boundaries. That’s exactly the problem with Greek claims. Just look at that map and explain why should tiny Greek islands have more maritime zone than the Turkish mainland right next to them? Also as a side note, Kastelorizo have been all but forgotten until now. The islanders are very dependent on Turkey for their survival. If Turks wanted many of those islands would be no longer livable, unless Greeks are willing to bleed billions to keep a few hundred people there. Not to mention that there are no proven reserves in the area of Turkish claims & pipeline is not viable, and even in the extremely unlikely event it was built under Mediterranean it would not be solution for Greece’s debt problem as you’d only get some transport fees. As in the past, Greeks are risking what they have for speculation and imagination.

  57. Lo says:
    @Agathoklis

    Because Guam, Samoa and Wake Island are in the middle of Pacific and their EEZs don’t overlap with other nations. So are French islands. Your islands are often a few miles away from Turkey. That’s why. Here are some of the more similar cases and their resolutions:

    http://www.mfa.gov.tr/site_media/html/maritime-delimitation-10-5-2019-presentation.pdf

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  58. Turk 152 says:
    @romar

    Thanks for the links and information on the Misrata tribe; Voltairenet is top notch.

    Erdogan is a goon for the US in the middle east, who takes opportunistic positions. For instance, Erdogan was allies with Assad before the order came that Assad must go under Clinton /Obama. They promised him Sunni rule, as his reward. The ever present US carrot and stick explains, but certainly does not excuse, most of his actions.

    Nevertheless, as is clear by recent history and Unz bloggers, the chances of the Libyan people getting genuine support from xenophic scotch/Irish, jewish immigrant US rulers is nonexistent.

  59. A123 says:
    @Ma Power

    The EastMed pipeline is a pipe dream. It has no economic viability and will never get built, irrespective of Turkey’s intentions.

    EastMed 1 is a technology project that think maybe he groundwork for EastMed 2, EastMed 3, EastMed 4, and so on…. Israel, Cyprus, and Lebanon can all make money off of natural gas exports.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
  60. A123 says:
    @Mike Whitney

    Here’s a question that no one has asked: Why haven’t we heard any response from the US yet?
    Pompeo said Erdogan’s move was “illegal”, but beyond that there’s been nothing but silence.
    Why?

    The answer to “Why?” Is ” Timing”.

    #1 — The U.S. would like to wrap up the Ayatollah problem before something new crops up in the Middle East. As long as Erdogan is talking (not acting) there is no reason to accelerate the timing of any future conflict.

    #2 — The Turkish “anti-Kurd” misadventure in Syria is aggravating Putin. Erdogan is weakening Turkey. If there has to be a confrontation, waiting allows the U.S. to deal with a Turkey that is weaker and has fewer friends.

    #3 — The U.S. is well into election season. The Fake Stream Media would mischaracterize any action taken by Trump in an attempt to influence the election.

    Let me ask you a question, “Why is an immediate U.S. response necessary or desirable?”

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Lo
  61. A123 says:
    @A123

    Sometimes auto-correct does bizarre things, “think maybe he” is clearly not what I intended.

    EastMed 1 is a technology project that lays the groundwork …..

    PEACE 😇

  62. @Lo

    You have given yourself away by referencing a paper from the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Mayotte’s French EEZ is overlapped and limited by Comoros to its north-east. Earlier I have referred to the case of the two French islands of St Pierre and Miquelon. They are both French islands right near Canada and have an EEZ overlapping with Canada.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @Lo
  63. No one is going to “profit” out of building expensive LNG projects in the Eastern Med with global prices this low.

    It’s all pie-in-the-sky.

    Get a grip, start with the obvious…

  64. Lo says:
    @A123

    The Turkish “anti-Kurd” misadventure in Syria is aggravating Putin. Erdogan is weakening Turkey.

    Please explain why anti-Kurdish Turkey has countless Kurds in senior government and military posts. Also explain why anti-Kurdish Turkey is taking care of 350k Syrian Kurds that neither “Kurdish friendly” Israel nor “Kurdish friendly” Europe would never allow within their borders.

    As for Putin’s aggravation; if he is aggravated then it is his problem. Russia has a very open underbelly that only Turkey can exploit. That includes Caucasia, Georgia, Ukraine as well as straits. In fact, Turkey started pushing harder for Georgia’s membership in NATO and gave military aid to Ukraine. In West, because of propaganda people tend to overestimate Russia and underestimate Turkey simultaneously. Russia has very little leverage over Turkey compared to leverage Turkey has on Russia. Period.

    Let’s be honest. All your problems with Turkey are Israel-Palestine related. Don’t pretend that there are any US interests in fighting Turkey in Syria or Mediterranean.

    “Why is an immediate U.S. response necessary or desirable?”

    Why a US response necessary at all? Because your feelings are hurt? If you feel that Turkey deserves a response then encourage Israel (your country) to give a response. Same goes for Greeks. Why do all these people want US to fight their fights?

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  65. Lo says:
    @Agathoklis

    You should take it as a welcome opportunity then and prove falsity of Turkish arguments. The only thing that is given away here is your desire to get away with a fait accompli and hoping that people should ignore Turkish claims just because they are Turkish. The arguments are written in English, surely you can read and disprove them. In case you are not aware, I would remind you that this is a forum for alternative media news and not what you think it is. For your convenience you can Google StormFront, you’d feel more supported there.

  66. Lo says:
    @Agathoklis

    And in fact, if you just skimmed the link I posted, you could see the case of St. Pierre and Miquelon being used as a support for Turkish arguments. France did not just declare some EEZ and try to get away with it, they had an agreement with Canada. When was the last time Greece negotiated this issue with Turkey? Please provide links so that we can clearly see how rightful you are.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  67. @Lo

    Hilarious!! This Turk thinks that Turkey can exploit Russia’s soft underbelly. These delusions of grandeur stretching from infantile Grey Wolf fantasies, to Pan-Turanism, to Neo-Ottomanism, are typical of all nationalist Turks. They simply cannot accept that their Ottoman Empire, which brought absolutely nothing of value to humanity (name one scientific achievement, literature, educational institution apart from Madrassas), is no more.

    • Replies: @Lo
  68. @Lo

    Do you understand that no serious country has supported the Turkey agreement with Libya because it lacks legality? Erdogan is leading your people down a deep hole of diplomatic isolation not to mention the almost weekly death of Turkish soldiers trying to satisfy his pathetic gambits.

  69. Current military situation in Idlib

    Current military situation in Idlib from syriancivilwar

    Turkish observation posts surrounded and isolated by the Syrian Arab Army and its allies. Turkish strategic thinking in all its glory.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  70. @Agathoklis

    ISIS aka AL CIADA is a creation of the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain and ZNATO and Turkey, Erdogan had his life saved by Putin and is now stabbing Russia in back in Syria, typical double crosser!

  71. Lo says:
    @Agathoklis

    This is funny, posting a bunch of stuff that has no relationship with any of my questions makes it seem like you have no arguments and know that Greek side is wrong. All you can do is claim that I am Turkish, then escalate with gray wolf ottoman claims, then go on to mention Ottomans. How does any of your claims have to do with anything I’ve said? You clearly have no real answers and not even intending to discuss anything. I conclude that you just proved Greek claims hold no water and all you can do is hope no one seeks the truth and just accepts your claims without questions. Here let me help you and speed up your disappearance:

    – Turks are Mongols,
    – Turks are Islamized Greeks,
    – Turks are Arab,
    – Turks are barbarians,
    – Turks came form Asia,
    – Turks genocide everyone,
    – Turks are Muslim,
    – Turks converted some church to mosque,
    – Turks did not invent calculus,
    – Turks stole someone’s culture

    Good, have I missed anything? Now you can leave satisfied, don’t forget to put on your pacifier though.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  72. The only defense to your claim, that effectively the Greek islands such as Crete and Kastelorizo have not EEZ whatsoever, is to refer to a propaganda rag posted on the Turkish Foreign Ministry. Seriously, you can do much better than that. Under UNCLOS, all islands generate an EEZ unless it can be proven the islands have no economic potential or human habitation i.e. they are simply an uninhabitable rock.

    How are maritime zones determined – Islands

    Islands are naturally formed land areas surrounded by water on all sides. Islands must be above the water at high tide and able to sustain human habitation or economic life of their own.19 Islands possess the same maritime zones as other landmasses, including a territorial sea, contiguous zone, EEZ, and continental shelf. Islands do not need to be inhabited to create those maritime zones; they only need to be capable of sustaining human habitation or economic life. See below for information on artificial islands, which are treated differently than naturally occurring islands.

    UNCLOS Art 121

    https://sites.tufts.edu/lawofthesea/chapter-two/

    The last time I checked Crete and Kastelorizo are inhabited by Greek people and have economic life. Erdogan’s silly agreement assumes Crete and Kastelorizo essentially have no EEZ. There is no legal basis for this claim and that is why no serious state has supported Turkish claims.

    As for your other statements:

    – Turks are Mongols – they were originally, originating near the Altai mountains but they have mixed with the local Anatolian population.
    – Turks are Islamized Greeks – to some extent this is true. The genetic evidence bears this out. They are also Islamised Armenians and other Anatolian people.
    – Turks are Arab – they are deeply influenced by Arabic culture as well as Persian culture.
    – Turks are barbarians – their contributions to humanity are very slight.
    – Turks came form Asia – see above.
    – Turks genocide everyone – this is absolutely true.
    – Turks are Muslim – yes.
    – Turks converted some church to mosque – not only to mosques but horse stables.
    – Turks did not invent calculus – very difficult to find any Turkish innovation. Unfortunately, they began as nomads and had to take culture from elsewhere i.e. Arabs, Persians, Greeks/Byzantines, Armenians
    – Turks stole someone’s culture – they adapted neighbouring cultures.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  73. Talha says:
    @Lo

    I don’t know why people are so frustrated over this. If it is a legal slam dunk, as they claim, then getting it adjudicated in an international court should be a relatively simple matter – I’m sure Israel has plenty of lawyers to spare. If Turkey has the law on its side – or the law is vague – then work on getting the law (re)defined.

    If Greek and Israel want to go to war with Turkey over it, be my guest – just don’t complain if you lose a couple of islands.

    As a tax-paying (as I am reminded by looking at my W2 while I sit this weekend doing taxes) American citizen, I don’t want one more penny (or American military lives) invested in some idiotic adventure to solve some maritime trade dispute thousands of miles away. Our interventions have already done enough to create plenty of messes there (including this one, since Libya is involved).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Denis
  74. Turk 152 says:
    @Agathoklis

    As for your other statements:

    – Turks are Mongols – they were originally, originating near the Altai mountains but they have mixed with the local Anatolian population.

    So what, most of humanity has common origins eventually

    – Turks are Islamized Greeks – to some extent this is true. The genetic evidence bears this out. They are also Islamised Armenians and other Anatolian people.

    Of course, Who cares?

    – Turks are Arab – they are deeply influenced by Arabic culture as well as Persian culture.

    Most of civilization is constantly being influenced by other cultures.

    – Turks are barbarians – their contributions to humanity are very slight.

    Please, read some more history

    – Turks came form Asia – see above.

    Again, so what?

    – Turks genocide everyone – this is absolutely true

    You mean compared to ZioUS tend of millions of atrocities?
    .
    – Turks are Muslim – yes.

    Yawn

    – Turks converted some church to mosque – not only to mosques but horse stables.

    Yes, you lost some wars in medieval times, get over it.

    – Turks did not invent calculus – very difficult to find any Turkish innovation. Unfortunately, they began as nomads and had to take culture from elsewhere i.e. Arabs, Persians, Greeks/Byzantines, Armenian

    Yawn

    – Turks stole someone’s culture – they adapted neighbouring cultures.

    Yes, this is how Civilization works.

    What do you think your ancestors are, gods and royalty who were never Roman Slaves, cannon fodder in somebody’s war, tillers of fields or peasents sleeping in huts?

  75. Adûnâi says:
    @Alfred

    “Why do you bother writing such obvious lies about Ukraine being a normal country?”

    To me, all countries that are not at war with America are “normal”. All ideologies aside from NatSoc, Juche or fundamentalist Islam (Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Iran’s Shia Republic) are profane. Capitalists, Marxists, Christians, lukewarm Muslims – all are the same degenerate LGBT supporters.

    I do not care about freedom, but the biological survival of my people. All want to die aside from the likes of the DPR of Korea.

    “But not a single bookshop stocks any books by Marx or any Communist literature. I guess that is called “freedom”.”

    Why buy physical books if you can steal/pirate them online?

  76. Denis says:
    @Talha

    If Turkey has the law on its side

    Turkey most certainly does not have law on its side. Turkey’s blatant expansionism is reminiscent of Mussolini’s invasion of Greece on the basis that Greece was ancient Roman territory.

    What Turkey may have on its side is force, as you imply later on:

    If Greek and Israel want to go to war with Turkey over it, be my guest – just don’t complain if you lose a couple of islands.

    Obviously people are rather disturbed at this “might makes right” attitude which seems so common amongst practitioners of the religion of peace.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @A123
  77. Talha says:
    @Denis

    Turkey most certainly does not have law on its side.

    (sigh) Then take it to international court; if it is as clear as you and others are claiming, it should be a slam dunk, no-contest case. Why aren’t people advocating taking it to court? This should be the first step in how you try to resolve these issues.

    Obviously people are rather disturbed at this “might makes right” attitude

    Then people should advocate taking it to international court like I am. BUT if you want to settle it on the steps of the court house instead, go ahead and throw a punch at someone, but don’t cry if you end up crumpled on the ground with a broken jaw. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    Which do you advocate for; Israel and Greece going to court or throwing down with Turkey?

    religion of peace.

    Free advertising.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Denis
  78. Denis says:
    @Talha

    You seem very confused, I am neither Greek nor Turkish nor Jewish, I just see the obvious.

    Which do you advocate for; Israel and Greece going to court or throwing down with Turkey?

    I advocate for the West to rein its dogs in or otherwise step aside for Russia to do so.

    • Replies: @Talha
  79. Talha says:
    @Denis

    I advocate for the West to rein its dogs in

    Good – a point that we can agree on. Still don’t see how that ultimately resolves a maritime trade dispute with clear and well defined terms, but no sweat off my back – at least you are not advocating more war..and that’s good enough for me.

    Peace.

  80. A123 says:
    @Denis

    Denis,

    Just ignore the Violent TROLL “Taqiyya” Talha.

    Muslims start fights, and in reality detached “Muslim Troll Land” the Infidels are guilty for defending themselves against Islamic aggression.

    There is no human compassion or rational mind to debate with. Only lies for the blood cult of Jihad dedicated to the extermination of all Infidels. See the link below for a thorough debunking of “Taqiyya” Talha’s violent lies. (1)

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) http://www.freedompost.org/islam/deception/common-taqiyya-or-islamic-lies-and-deceptions-by-muslims.html

  81. Gilberte says:

    Just one question, just out of curiosity why in your article you do talk about the gas field on the coast of Israel, Greece, Cyprus, and Egypt… and never mentioned Lebanon even though he has access to the sea and also has gas fields. Thank you.

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