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The United States has settled on a multi-pronged strategy to thwart China’s development and preserve America’s premier position in the global order. The economic part of the plan is called “decoupling”, which refers to the selective blocking of China’s access to critical technology (particularly advanced semiconductors). The strategy has garnered nearly-universal support among America’s foreign policy elites who believe that steps must be taken immediately to curtail China’s explosive technological development. There are, however, considerable downside risks to implementing a plan that essentially erects a “Digital Iron Curtain” between China and the rest of the world. Should China respond tit-for-tat to Washington’s aggression, then supply-lines would be severely disrupted increasing the probability of another global recession.

It’s worth noting, that the term “decoupling” obscures how the policy is designed to work. The word itself—according to the Cambridge Dictionary means—“a situation in which two or more activities are separated…” Regrettably, Washington’s decoupling strategy is not an attempt to achieve a benign ‘parting of the ways’, but to identify China’s main technological vulnerabilities in order to inflict maximum damage on the Chinese economy. In other words, decoupling—as it is presented in the media and in think-tank analysis—is largely a public relations fabrication that is intended to conceal Washington’s economic war on China. Here’s a bit of background on decoupling from an article by Michael Spence at the Council on Foreign Relations:

Over the last year, the trajectory of Sino-American relations has become indisputable: the United States and China are headed toward a substantial, though not complete, decoupling. Far from resisting this outcome, both sides now seem to have accepted that this will play out as a largely non-cooperative game, to the point that they are embedding it in their policy frameworks. But what exactly will decoupling entail, and what will its consequences be?

On the American side, national-security concerns have led to the creation of a lengthy—and still growing—list of restrictions on technology exports to and investments in China, as well as on other channels whereby technology moves around the world. To enhance the strategy’s impact, the US is trying to make sure—including through the threat of sanctions—that other countries join its efforts…

Many people on both sides of what might be called the “mutual distrust equation” know that decoupling is a distinctly suboptimal and perilous course. But in both the US and China, dissenting voices are either ignored or stifled, whether through political pressure or outright repression.

Many emerging and developing economies recognize that a fragmented global economy…is not in their interest. But they currently lack the power to change the major players’ incentives…That leaves no obvious off-ramps from the current trajectory. The future is partial decoupling and fragmentation. Destructive Decoupling, Council on Foreign Relations

US Bases Encircling China
US Bases Encircling China

While I disagree with much of what the author says, I share his fatalism. Indeed, this is not only the direction that we are currently headed, it is also bound to get much worse in the months ahead. The leadership of both political parties in the US are completely committed to decoupling as are the foreign policy elites operating behind the scenes. What we’re seeing is a widespread recognition that the naive efforts to integrate China into the western “rules-based order” have utterly failed which has precipitated a dramatic reversal in policy that is steadily gaining momentum and ferocity. China has demonstrated that it will never become a vassal state in Uncle Sam’s sprawling empire. The Chinese have remained stubbornly independent throughout, initiating only those reforms that fit within their political orientation while rejecting any changes that might challenge the party leadership. In China, it is still the Party that sets the agenda and steers the ship-of-state, not Washington and not the Davos elites. That realization has prompted a complete reassessment of US-China relations leading inevitably to strategies that are aimed at isolating, encircling and ultimately containing China. Here’s a bit of background from Matt Sheehan at the Carnegie Endowment:

In early October, the U.S. government rolled out extensive new restrictions on China’s access to advanced semiconductors and the equipment used to make them. The restrictions require a hard-to-get license for the sale of advanced semiconductors to entities within China, largely depriving the country of the computing power it needs to train artificial intelligence (AI) at scale. The rules also extend restrictions on chipmaking tools even further to industries that support the semiconductor supply chain, cutting off both the U.S. talent and the components that make up the tools that make the chips. Together, these restrictions amount to the single most substantial move by the U.S. government to date in its quest to undermine Chinese technology capabilities.

The new restrictions also attempt to settle a long-running debate within U.S. technology policy. That debate centered on a perceived trade-off between two competing goals: damaging Chinese capabilities today versus maintaining American leverage in the future. With the latest rules, the U.S. government is betting that it can so deeply undermine China’s semiconductor fabrication capabilities that it won’t matter how motivated or well-resourced China’s efforts are to create its own semiconductor industry—they simply won’t be able to catch up.

Whether the U.S. government wins that bet will go a long way toward determining the future balance of global economic and technological power. Biden’s Unprecedented Semiconductor Bet, The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

This is an excellent “big picture” summary of what the new policy involves. Sheehan clarifies US intentions while explaining the potential risks. He also provides a helpful breakdown of the Commerce Department’s new restrictions which fall under three main headings:

  1. (The Commerce Dept) stopped targeting individual Chinese companies and started targeting the country as a whole. Now selling any advanced chips to any company in China will require a license and Congress has said it will deny most of those requests.
  2. It prevents any US citizen, resident or company from working with any Chinese company manufacturing advanced chips.
  3. It went even deeper into the semiconducter supplychain by restricting the components that go into the semiconducter manufacturing equipment. Before, it was just restricting the chips and the tools that make the chips. Now it is restricting the chips, the tools that make the chips, and the components that go into the tools that make the chips. In the near-term, this has been absolutely devastating for China’s tech industry leaving its AI companies and supercomputing centers high-and-dry and in need of chips.” Matt Sheehan video 4:37 minutes

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Washington’s decoupling policy goes far beyond Trump’s ham-fisted tariffs or Biden’s unilateral sanctions on Chinese corporations. It is a blatant attempt to kneecap the Chinese economy by blocking access to vital technology. It is, quite clearly, an act of war, which even the administration’s allies at the New York Times openly admit. Check out this blurb from Nick Beams at the World Socialist Web Site who quotes a piece from the Times:

A major article by journalist Alex W. Palmer, published in the New York Times last weekend, has revealed the extent of the high-tech war being conducted by the US against China… The war is now about to be intensified as it is expected that the US will shortly announce investment screening mechanisms designed to cut the amount of US money invested in Chinese high-tech areas as well as updating export controls to close loopholes that have emerged since the October announcement.
(a key paragraph that reads:)

“With the Oct.7 export controls, the United States government announced its intention to cripple China’s ability to produce, or even purchase, the highest-end chips. The logic of the measure was straightforward: Advanced chips, and the supercomputers and AI they power, enable the production of new weapons and surveillance apparatuses. In their reach and meaning, however, the measures could hardly have been more sweeping, taking aim at a target far broader than the Chinese security state. ‘The key here is to understand that the US wanted to impact China’s AI industry,’ says Gregory C. Allen, director of the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. ‘The semiconductor stuff is the means to that end.’”…

Palmer wrote that the October controls “essentially seek to eradicate, root and branch, China’s entire ecosystem of advanced technology.”…

Another indication of the extent of the US measures was expressed in remarks by C. J. Muse, a senior semiconductor analyst at Evercore ISO. “If you told me about these rules five years ago, I would’ve told you that’s an act of war—we’d have to be at war.”
New York Times publishes graphic details of US hi-tech war with China, Nick Beams, World Socialist Web Site

Can you see what’s going on? The Biden Administration is making it impossible for China to acquire the advanced semiconductors they need to develop their Artificial Intelligence and Supercomputers. This type of blockade is clearly not allowed under current WTO regulations but, then again, neither are the unilateral sanctions the US has arbitrarily imposed on more than 1,300 Chinese companies. The bottom line is that the US is not going to let rules deter it from pursuing the course of action that best serves its own geopolitical interests. Here’s how author Jon Bateman summed it up in an article at Foreign Policy Magazine:

“The Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) announced new… limits on the export to China of advanced semiconductors, chip-making equipment, and supercomputer components. The controls… reveal a single-minded focus on thwarting Chinese capabilities at a broad and fundamental level…. the primary damage to China will be economic, on a scale well out of proportion to Washington’s cited military and intelligence concerns….This shift portends even harsher U.S. measures to come, not only in advanced computing but also in other sectors (like biotech, manufacturing, and finance) deemed strategic. The pace and details are uncertain, but the strategic objective and political commitment are now clearer than ever. China’s technological rise will be slowed at any price.” (“Biden is Now All-In on Taking Out China”, Jon Bateman, Foreign Policy Magazine)

It is important to realize that this mainly ‘under-the-radar’ Tech-War is being waged at the same time the US continues to send political delegations to Taiwan (to challenge the “One China” policy), continues to strengthen anti-China coalitions in the Asia-Pacific, continues to provoke Beijing in the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea, continues to sell lethal arms to Taiwan, continues to increase its military presence in the region, continues to push for NATO’s “eastward expansion” to the Asia-Pacific, and continues to conduct its largest-ever “live-fire” military drills (“Talisman Sabre”) in Western Australia.

China’s Belt and Road Initiative: The Global Economic Integration of Sovereign States
China’s Belt and Road Initiative: The Global Economic Integration of Sovereign States

That means decoupling is just a small part of a larger war that is being waged on China to weaken its defenses, isolate it from its allies, strengthen its enemies, and force it to comply with Washington’s diktat. The United States is signaling that it is now prepared to risk a direct confrontation with a nuclear-armed China to prevent a fast-emerging rival from dominating the Central Asia landmass. We should probably expect an outbreak of hostilities in the very near future.

 
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  1. Once again…..I think the nose has bit off more than they can chew.

    They tried to mess with Russia and simply made Russia stronger and more resilient.

    China/Russia/Iran and the BRICS will do just fine, will find a way to go around the jewing.

    In addition, my understanding is that the Chinese hold many trillions of US bonds, and could cause a great deal of trouble by refusing to continue to finance America’s debt.

    And the other obvious aspect is that Wall St. has already outsourced our production and hollowed out our economy and sent much of the production to China. So….how is Walmart and Target and Home Depot, etc., going to provide products if we cut ties with China?

    It’s true that the dipshit elite running the west is always trying to make war with somebody to be sure that lots of white boys get killed. But a war with China would mean war with Russia and Iran and the BRICS, and we would get our asses kicked, IMHO.

  2. Mr Gen says:

    It won’t work, at all. ZOG hubris once again. The US destroyed Nordstream and in doing so declared war on Europe. Why should the Dutch be loyal? Why should Japan and Taiwan be loyal?

    Why would any nation choose subjugation over cooperation?

    • Replies: @The_Masterwang
    , @Realist
  3. Odyssey says:

    Countries of the West created, supplied and financed almost all modern large terrorist groups that act according to their instructions – said the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev.

    At the meeting of high representatives of the BRICS countries in charge of security issues, which was held in Johannesburg, South Africa, he additionally said on the same topic:

    “They are financed by the special services of the West in order to implement the political decisions of the leadership of Western countries (using terrorist methods). So-called international terrorism – in the form in which it now exists – is a direct tool for the realization of the influence of the United States and its satellites”.

    • Agree: col from OZ, Passing by
  4. JasonT says:

    An economy is not a person and can recognize nothing. What Whitney should be saying is that the PEOPLE in control of countries with “emerging and developing economies recognize that a fragmented global economy is not in their interest”, with the word “their” meaning the people in control and not the rest of the people in these countries. It is absolutely essential for the majority of the people in a country to decouple themselves from the global economy. To fail in doing that is to give yourself over to slavery.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Kali
    , @Dutch Boy
  5. IronForge says:

    Day Late and a U$Dollar Short…

    1) TSLA joint-ventures with CHNese+CHE Firms for EV Semiconductors
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1280646.shtml

    2) CHN’s Sanan Optoelectronics and CHE’s STMicroelectronics have agreed to jointly invest USD3.2 billion in a joint venture to make chip devices for EVs.

    https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/20230608-02-chinas-sanan-switzerlands-stmicroelectronics-to-invest-usd32-billion-in-sic-chipmaking-jv-in-china

    FAKE Fear Pr0n.

    This is just a mild disruption to CHN Consumer Electronics as they’ve plenty of Chipmakers, plenty of CN¥ invested, plenty of Engineers.

    Same go for Russia. They needed to get off their Arses and make their own Consumer Electronic Chips anyway. They’ve plenty of Chipmakers themselves.

    Personally, I expected both RUS+CHN to have decoupled from importing Western Gear back in 2014. Lessons Learned.

    • Agree: SteveK9, vox4non
  6. @Robert Dolan

    -to be sure that lots of white boys get killed.

    If young European-Americans don’t want to die or suffer long-term consequences, they can merely refuse to participate in these military adventures and refrain from slitting the throats of children in Afghanistan as the inbred chimp Aussies have done.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mntcRRdKK88

    John Bolton the cartoonish-looking ape, a hawk of the Trump administration, had incidentally done all he could to avoid the draft during the Vietnam War.

  7. Richard B says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The only two super powers in the world today are Supremacy Inc. and The CCP.
    They are the two sides of what is replacing Western Civilization, Asiatic Barbarism.*

    From that perspective, this could just be a fake war designed to destroy the West in general and the USA in particular, ie; Western Civilizaiton, or what’s left of it anyway. The explanation for this being that a hatred of the West and USA is what both super powers have in common. But even if the conflict is very much real, it is still a contest between two sides of what, barring a miracle (and it would take one) will completely replace Western Civilization. Meaning, this has nothing to do with white people (I don’t include Supremacy Inc.’s useful idiots, since they don’t count).

    In any event, the idea that Asia would over take the West was something even Nietzsche mentioned more than once, albeit in passing, and Ortega expanded on why that might happen in his Revolt of the Masses, though his focus was almost entirely on the West.

    Of course, the reason he gave was that the population explosion produced a quantity of people in the West that incapable of, and uninterested in, assimilation into the very civilization that produced them. Which makes any sentimental talk from them about other cultures assimilating in to the USA, and not just the USA, hilarious.

    Assimilate into what?

    It’s obvious that this situation left the Western world vulnerable to infiltration and subversion from the outside. And we all know what group was the only one with a living tradition that would make it possible for them to exploit that situation. The masses of the population explosion was putty in their hands. But you can’t build much with putty.

    But because Western Civilization was so vast, so deep and wide, it took a while for Supremacy Inc. to eat its way through it all like an ugly worm through a once magnificent but now dead carcass. And that day is here. There’s pretty much nothing left. The good news is we can finally stop kidding ourselves. Or at least so one would think.

    *For an idea of the Supremacy Inc. side of Asiatic Barbarism, check out the first three paragraphs of Chapter 22 The Managers, of Douglas Reed’s The Controversy of Zion.
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

  8. ko says:

    If the dimwits in charge of all this wanted to hurt China, they’d make the USA a manufacturer nation, once again. But they are dimwits.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Thanks: Robertson
    • Replies: @MLK
    , @Showmethereal
  9. Ghali says:

    The so-called “decoupling” has failed. China continues to develop its own semiconductors technology and it is not far behind Taiwan and South Korea in the production of semiconductors. Furthermore, China just started to restrict the export of rare earth (RE) metals (also used in the production of F-35 fighter jets), to the U.S. China has a big monopoly on RE metals (80%). (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/27/how-the-united-states-handed-china-its-rare-earth-monopoly/). Indeed, on 01 August 2023, China will start to restrict the exports of Gallium and Germanium to the U.S. And without them, the U.S. will have much more difficulty than China to produce high tech products.

    • Replies: @Hulkamania
    , @A123
  10. meamjojo says:

    “That means decoupling is just a small part of a larger war that is being waged on China to weaken its defenses, isolate it from its allies, strengthen its enemies, and force it to comply with Washington’s diktat.”

    China is intent on isolating itself from the rest of the world. The USA doesn’t have to do very much to keep China penned into their corner of Asia with so much cooperation from Xi and his henchmen. Thanks Xi!
    ————
    Xi Jinping calls for ‘solid’ security barrier around China’s internet
    Reuters
    July 15, 2023

    BEIJING, July 15 (Reuters) – Chinese President Xi Jinping said China must build a “solid” security barrier around its internet under the supervision of the ruling Communist Party, in his latest call to safeguard online data and information.

    China must persist in managing, operating and ensuring access to the internet in accordance with the law, Xi said in instructions delivered to officials attending a two-day cybersecurity meeting in Beijing that ended on Saturday.

    “We must adhere to the Party’s management of the internet and adhere to (the principle of) making the internet work for the people,” state-run Xinhua news agency cited Xi as saying.

    In the past decade, Xi has made preserving security a priority, with his concept of security covering everything from politics and the economy to the environment and cyberspace.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/xi-calls-solid-security-barrier-around-chinas-internet-2023-07-15/

  11. The Chinese are not nice guys. They are one of the most repressive, restrictive and oppressive regimes on the planet. That said, the U$$A has inherited the mantle of the USSR in its command mass media and its command economy, centering on the Talmudist controlled “Federal” Reserve Bank and massive financial conglomerates headed by the unaccountable Blackrock.

    These are the world’s two economic giants. Outside of those semi-conductors, chips and AI, the Chinese have an immense edge over the U$$A in basic production of everyday goods. With their no longer so tacit alliance with Russia, their up and coming military is nothing to fool with, particularly as the R.U. has their back.

    Then there are the BRICS and Bridge and Road factors…to say nothing of diversion away from remaining stuck with the dollar in the majority of financial transactions on an international basis.

    Now with Viccious Nudelman (aka Vicky Nuland) wifey to the leading Neo-Con, Robert Kagan (Khazarian Royalty) now as #2 in the Department of $tate; American foreign policy is indisputably in the hands of the Talmudist imperialist schemers.

    Ever since the fall of the old USSR, their successor, the U$$A has taken upon itself the role of world hegemon…nevertheless taking orders from City of London. Stupidly, they have opted to engage us in a world war by non-kinetic means with the up and coming economic hegemon, along with the now fully evident military powerhouse.

    Question is…will the American people awaken by grasping the looming reality of a collapsing economy and a debt-ridden dollar leading to a more devastating devolution in American living standards combined with heightened levels of centralizing oppression?

    We do, indeed, live in interesting times.

    • Replies: @anon
  12. The idiot elites dreaming up the “thwart China” strategy are same ones who came up with these gems:

    Kick Russia out of SWIFT and their financial system will collapse.
    Sanction Russia and their economy will collapse.
    Give Ukraine our wonder weapons and the Russian army will collapse.

    Complete fail. Now they’re at it again. Sickest part of all – at least half the US sheeple will cheer them on.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  13. “All the world’s a stage and the men and women are merely players.” —Act II Scene VII Line 139, “As You Like It” by Shakespeare

    I can understand that calculated events bring you to that conclusion but I assert that these events are thoughtfully contrived, not organic, and therefore bear out your conclusion. I believe something far more nefarious underlies what they want the world to believe similar to your speculations. The serpents of the dust are setting up the USA for a hit, a BIG hit. I suspect western civilization will completely fall like dominoes. There is a reason why the nation builders and destroyers have propped up China. Wonder if you can connect that dot or final act, minus the curtain call.

  14. JR Foley says:

    You require rare metals such as Gallium and Germanium to make advanced chips and China has a monopoly on both these rare metals in Xinjiang–Reason for ALL this BS regarding Moslems and Human rights–it was to get at these precious metals—Uighurs be damned. .

    Tit for TAT

    Enjoy the advanced chips for another week —-

    China’s proposed export embargo regarding both rare metals goes into effect August 2023???

    USA had best send more supplies to Ukraine —-Zylenskyy should be in Moscow by September—

    If you are in the USA chip industry —get another real job at Lay’s—- making Potato Chips.

    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
  15. It will only backfire on the USA.

    • Replies: @Cyclingscholar
  16. Bankotsu says:

    The ex Larouchie David Goldman argues that it is too late for U.S. to suppress China.

    Why America Is Losing the Tech War with China

    It is simply too late to try to suppress China. The United States must either spend seriously on research and development, along with industrial policy, or it will lose the race for twenty-first-century technological supremacy…

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/why-america-losing-tech-war-china-206664

  17. Why America Is Losing the Tech War with China: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/why-america-losing-tech-war-china-206664

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    Western analysts have overestimated the impact of technology controls on China, and underestimated China’s ability to work around them. There is a great deal of confusion about the importance of the latest generation of computer chips, whose narrow gate width allows more transistors to be packed into a single chip. The newest iPhones run on chips with 13 billion transistors; for reference, the computer that took the Apollo capsule to the moon in 1969 had about 64,000. The faster speed and energy efficiency of the newest chips are indispensable for 5G handsets. The graphics processing units (GPUs) produced by Nvidia and AMD make tractable the enormous datasets required for large language models (LLMs), like ChatGPT. But older chips, alone or working in parallel, can handle most business AI applications. More important than raw chip speed is the availability of the right data, the ability to transmit it quickly and conveniently, and the overall system architecture.

    After the Trump administration banned sales of high-end U.S. semiconductors to Huawei in 2020, Western media predicted that China’s 5G rollout would grind to a halt. The Nikkei Asian Review wrote, for example: “Huawei Technologies and ZTE, China’s two largest telecoms equipment providers, have slowed down their 5G base station installation in the country, the Nikkei Asian Review has learned, a sign that Washington’s escalating efforts to curb Beijing’s tech ambitions are having an effect.”

    On the contrary: the number of 5G base stations in China doubled in 2021 to 1.43 million, and rose to 2.31 million in 2022, out of a world total of 3 million. Huawei simply built the 5G base stations with mature chips (with a 28-nanometer gate width rather than the 7-nanometer chips banned by Washington). Energy consumption was higher than optimal, but the system worked. Without access to the newer chips, Huawei’s handset business, the world’s largest in the second quarter of 2020, shrank drastically, because 5G handsets need powerful, energy-efficient processors.

    Now it appears that Huawei can design its own high-end chips and manufacture them in China. Chinese research firms report that Huawei will reenter the 5G handset market in the second half of 2023. Reuters reported on July 12 that, “Huawei should be able to procure 5G chips domestically using its own advances in semiconductor design tools along with chipmaking from Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co (SMIC), three third-party technology research firms covering China’s smartphone sector told Reuters.” Caixin Global Daily reported in March that Huawei had co-developed Electronic Design Automation software with local firms for older 14-nanometer chips. It isn’t clear whether SMIC can make enough 7-nanometer chips to meet Huawei’s requirements, or whether the reported new 5G chips use another technology, for example, “stacking” two 14-nanometer chips in a “chiplet” to achieve 7-nanometer performance.

    Zhang Pingan added that Huawei has built an AI cloud platform based on its own Kunpeng and Ascend processors, supporting a suite of AI software. Although “Nvidia’s V100 and A100 GPUs remain the most popular GPUs for training Chinese large-scale models,” a recent study notes, “Huawei used its own Ascend 910 processors” to train the Pangu model. Second, China appears able to produce proprietary AI chips like Ascend, although U.S. sanctions continue to prevent it from fabricating its Kirin smartphone chipset in Taiwan. Chinese chipmakers are keeping their cards close to their vests about fabrication capability.

    The overriding issue is that industrial systems rarely require the complexity and computing power that ChatGPT applies to composing school essays and Valentine’s Day poems. China can’t import the fastest and most efficient chips with gateways of 7 nanometers or less, let alone the equipment to manufacture them. But it can make 7-nanometer chips with a costlier process, or approximate the performance of the fastest chip by stacking older chips into so-called chiplets, or jerry-rig older chips to approximate the performance of newer ones through clever system architecture.

    The United States and China approach AI differently. The trillion-dollar valuations of the great American technology companies mainly come from consumer entertainment. China, as Huawei’s Zhang said, has no time for poetry. Rather than guess when the machines will become sentient or when AI will replace human beings, China has focused on the automation of drudge work: inspecting parts on a factory conveyor belt, checking the bins near the coal face for foreign objects, detecting anomalies in machines, picking containers out of ships and placing them on autonomous trucks, and so forth.

    China’s plan to assert leadership in the Fourth Industrial Revolution—the application of AI to production, logistics, and services—appears to be on track.

    Except for large manufacturers who already maintain large-scale operations in China, American manufacturers have shown little commitment to Fourth Industrial Revolution technology. To my knowledge, the only U.S. manufacturing firms that have installed private 5G networks to support factory automation are General Motors (which made 2.3 million cars in China in 2022), Ford (which made 500,000 cars in China in 2022), and John Deere (which rolled its 70,000th Chinese-made tractor in February). These firms have joint ventures with Chinese manufacturers and can be considered auxiliaries of Chinese industry.

    For several reasons, U.S. sanctions are ineffective in constraining AI development in China.

    First, as noted, China’s home designs are competitive in industry applications, which typically require less computing power than LLMs and may already offer performance equivalent to the Nvidia and AMD offerings

    Second, China’s SMIC can produce 7-nanometer chips, albeit with much higher costs and lower efficiency. It can certainly meet the requirements of China’s military for 7-nanometer chips. These are probably quite small; existing military systems overwhelmingly use older chips, which are more robust and easier to harden, as the RAND Corporation explained in a 2022 study.

    Third, Nvidia’s fastest AI chips are readily available in China through third-party sellers although at higher prices. Slower versions designed by Nvidia to stay within U.S. guidelines are still sold to China, although Washington reportedly may ban these as well.

    Stopping Chinese firms from using American AI computing power via cloud services won’t accomplish much, according to US industry leaders. Amazon CEO Andy Jassy was asked by CNBC July 6: “One of the things the administration has floated is the idea that Chinese companies wouldn’t have access to kind of AI-grade cloud computing resources through hyper scalers, through cloud providers, like Amazon. Do you have a sense of how that would affect Amazon if Chinese companies couldn’t access AI scale computing on [Amazon Web Services]?” Jassy replied: “Well, the reality is that there are some very strong cloud providers who are Chinese cloud providers in China. So Chinese companies in China are going to have access to AI capabilities, whether they come from U.S. companies, European companies, or Chinese companies.”

    • Thanks: Miro23, Ann Nonny Mouse, werpor
  18. I do not think that US is doing anything underhanded. It is competition.

    • Replies: @zarathustra
  19. Yes and what exactly are you going to do about it Goyim?

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    And by the way…have you guys ever thought that the world is being forced…once again…to choose between two bad actors. That maybe there is no good choice to choose from…that actually BOTH SIDES are rotten to the core!?

    • LOL: ChineseSTEM
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  20. Commerce Department’s new restrictions which fall under three main headings:

    The three enumerated restrictions on technological exports are not a policy novelty. They are consistent with the approach adopted by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) since 1976, which have been administered by the US Department of State, and Export Administration Regulations (EAR), enacted since 1979. Even trusted trading partners in western Europe continue to be affected by these regulatory constraints, especially in the aerospace sector.

    Moreover, for the purpose of attaining a competitive advantage, eastern Asiatic countries have had a long history of expropriating (stealing and copying) high-end technology that has entailed substantial intellectual efforts and associated costs to develop. Due to such considerations, export restrictions on such products and services do not constitute some nefarious “economic war on China“, as the author repeatedly insinuates in this article, but simply reflects a common-sense approach in economic affairs.

    “…prepared to risk a direct confrontation with a nuclear-armed China,,,”

    Coupling reasonable trade policies with an overly sensationalistic and hysterical war narrative is a typical method of manipulating the sentiments of people who are poorly informed and thus inclined to trust the truthfulness of the information being presented. However, readers should consider that this exaggerated story has been taken out of its proper context, with the disingenuous purpose of promoting the hostile and confrontational attitude it purports to criticize. It’s really duplicitous!

  21. Chip wars with China risk ‘enormous damage’ to US tech, says Nvidia chief: https://www.ft.com/content/ffbb39a8-2eb5-4239-a70e-2e73b9d15f3e

    Speaking to the Financial Times, Jensen Huang said US export controls introduced by the Biden administration to slow Chinese semiconductor manufacturing had left the Silicon Valley group with “our hands tied behind our back” and unable to sell advanced chips in one of the company’s biggest markets.

    At the same time, he added, Chinese companies were starting to build their own chips to rival Nvidia’s market-leading processors for gaming, graphics and artificial intelligence.

    “If [China] can’t buy from . . . the United States, they’ll just build it themselves,” he said. “So the US has to be careful. China is a very important market for the technology industry.”

    “If we are deprived of the Chinese market, we don’t have a contingency for that. There is no other China, there is only one China,” Huang said, adding that there would be “​​enormous damage to American companies” if they were unable to trade with Beijing.

    Huang added that blocking the US tech industry’s access to China would “cut the Chips Act off at the knee”, referring to the Biden administration’s $52bn funding package to encourage construction of more semiconductor manufacturing facilities — known as “fabs” — in the US.

    “If the American tech industry requires one-third less capacity [due to the loss of the Chinese market], no one is going to need American fabs, we will be swimming in fabs,” he said. “If they’re not thoughtful on regulations, they will hurt the tech industry.”

  22. Chipmaker TSMC needs to hire 4,500 Americans at its new Arizona plants. Its ‘brutal’ corporate culture is getting in the way: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chip-maker-tsmc-needs-hire-100000012.html

    Taiwan’s higher education system, where 31% of university students choose STEM majors—compared to 17.5% in the U.S.—has spoiled TSMC. For jobs in its fabs, the company prefers candidates with Ph.D.s and master’s degrees more so than peers like Intel, says Dylan Patel, a semiconductor industry expert and author of the newsletter SemiAnalysis. Earlier this year, job listings for engineering roles reviewed by Fortune sought candidates with a Ph.D. or master’s degree.

    Some industry observers argue that TSMC’s education expectations are unnecessarily high, especially in the U.S., where decades of offshoring chip manufacturing and the lure of Silicon Valley’s high-paying software jobs have created a shortfall of hardware-focused STEM graduates. Consultancy Accenture argues that the U.S. is facing an “acute talent shortage across the entire value chain.” It estimates that the U.S. needs 70,000 to 90,000 “highly-skilled personnel” to fulfill domestic demand for critical semiconductor applications alone, in sectors like aerospace, defense, and automotives.

    High-volume fabs demand some highly-skilled workers, like engineers who research and develop technology to manufacture advanced chips. But the bulk of fab employees work on the production line and don’t need more than a bachelor’s degree, says Santosh Kurinec, a fellow and professor of engineering at the Rochester Institute of Technology.

    “Ph.D.s are necessary in the industry, but it doesn’t need all Ph.D.s,” she says.

  23. @zarathustra

    On the other hand China can hire all the US experts in the field and pay them ten times as US pays.
    China can afford it. And US cannot do anything about it.

    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
  24. What we’re seeing is a widespread recognition that the naive efforts to integrate China into the western “rules-based order” have utterly failed which has precipitated a dramatic reversal in policy that is steadily gaining momentum and ferocity.

    I’m old enough to remember when China entered the WTO in 2001. There was still an independent streak in the media way back then, and there was some disagreement over how China would eventually develop. The ruling consensus was China would become “more like us,” liberal in outlook, though a few commenters did not agree, and said China would exploit trade to assert itself on the world stage.

    I guess we now know who is correct. I’m reminded if American efforts to assist Japanese development in the 19th century, efforts which came back to bite American asses. Don’t know if America will win this time.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Showmethereal
  25. Tom Welsh says:

    “Advanced chips, and the supercomputers and AI they power, enable the production of new weapons and surveillance apparatuses”.

    That would be why Russia’s weapons systems are so much better than the USA’s and Europe’s – because Russia, er, hasn’t got the latest “advanced” chips from the West.

    It seems to me that the Russian way of thinking is similar to that of the late Alan Turing. They do seem to favour “thought” rather than placing all their bets on “much equipment”.

    ‘Turing was thoroughly dismissive of the EDSAC. He wrote: “The ‘code’ which he [Wilkes] suggests is however very contrary to the line of development here, and much more in the American tradition of solving one’s difficulties by means of much equipment rather than by thought”’.
    – David Leavitt “The Man Who Knew Too Much: Alan Turing and the Invention of the Computer”

  26. Robertson says:

    I can’t imagine the Chinese not being able to manufacture high-end semiconductors or chips.

    Our State Department assured us Russia was low on munitions, fuel, working-tanks, able soldiers, and morale for almost two years. None of that was true. We have been told Putin was in bad health, was unpopular, would be overthrown, had cancer, and would lose to Prighozen in a coup attempt. None of that happened either.

    It’s hard to imagine the Chinese, with the millions of engineers they have, not being able to fabricate a chip of any kind. In fact, they probably get a kick out of us thinking that. With their espionage of us, how readily Americans would sell secrets for money, and how many of our elected representatives/business execs/military brass have been SUCK-SEXUALLY (successfully, get it?) honeypot compromised, they probably have all they need already.

    We can rig elections with paper ballots and media complicity, but rigging reality in places where we can’t broadcast bullshit 24/7 to an intentionally ethnically divided populace is another trick indeed.

  27. Tom Welsh says:

    “We should probably expect an outbreak of hostilities in the very near future”.

    I do hope not – unless by “hostilities” is meant more pathetic small-time CIA provocations.

    The USA, with or without NATO, cannot take on China with any hope of victory. The only thing Washington can achieve is to exterminate the human species – which it has been able to do for over half a century.

    It cannot even wage a land war against China (which in any case is proverbially hopeless). At sea, it cannot seriously harm China without being hurt even worse itself.

    Any minor attacks will be flea bites. Any major attack would immediately bring Russia, and perhaps other nations such as Iran, into the war on China’s side. They know perfectly well that they must hang together or hang separately.

    • Agree: Notsofast, FTB
    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @meamjojo
  28. @Robert Dolan

    No self-respecting young white American males would even fight the war against the world proposed by the small hats and their goy servants. Their hubris will be their downfall and I for one look forward to that day.

  29. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    When ‘free trade’ with China decimated millions of American manufacturing jobs – jobs which millions of Americans depended upon for sustenance – the politicians simply did not give a shit. In fact they revelled in the destruction saying it was ‘good’.

    Now, when vital US strategic interests are said to be threatened, you watch how quickly those same politicians can turn on a dime, and denounce the great god of free trade and globalization.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  30. @Robert Dolan

    The Biden plan to simultaneously wreck our economy and foreign policy is urgently being executed, even as his term is running out. This cabal of nitwits seems to never be short of dumb ideas. Trying to limit Chinese access to new technology is bound to end badly for us.
    You cannot put an embargo on ideas and knowledge.

  31. GMC says:

    It s starting to look like all those trillions in order to keep bases around the world, could end up being just part of a poker game, and the bluff is now being called out by Russia, China and some others. All the trillions made by the Western Crime Syndicate and their Government Allies have left the building, to more safer positions just in case.

    Their propaganda programming from their media and Government geo-engineering kept the populations preoccupide while the looting and distribution centers like the Fed, Wall Street, Imf, etc. etc. did their magic. Biggest scam in History and it ain t over yet. But if the East can t help sort out things, there is always Nibiru.

    • Agree: Notsofast
  32. How China Made An Exascale Supercomputer Out Of Old 14 Nanometer Tech: https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/03/11/pondering-the-cpu-inside-chinas-sunway-oceanlight-supercomputer/

    Some of the architectural details of the OceanLight supercomputer came to our attention as part of a paper published by Alibaba Group, Tsinghua University, DAMO Academy, Zhejiang Lab, and Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence, which is running a pretrained machine learning model called BaGuaLu, across more than 37 million cores and 14.5 trillion parameters (presumably with FP32 single precision), and has the capability to scale to 174 trillion parameters (and approaching what is called “brain-scale” where the number of parameters starts approaching the number of synapses in the human brain). But, as it turns out, some of these architectural details were hinted at in the three of the six nominations for the Gordon Bell Prize last fall, which we covered…

    If the 160 cabinet scale is the maximum for OceanLight, then China could best the performance of the 1.5 exaflops “Frontier” supercomputer being tuned up at Oak Ridge National Laboratories today and also extend beyond the peak theoretical performance of the 2 exaflops “Aurora” supercomputer coming to Argonne National Laboratory later this year – and maybe even further than the “El Capitan” supercomputer going into Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 2023 and expected to be around 2.2 exaflops to 2.3 exaflops according to the scuttlebutt.

    We would love to see the thermals and costs of OceanLight. The SW26010-Pro chip could burn very hot, to be sure, and run up the electric bill for power and cooling, but if SMIC can get good yield on 14 nanometer processes, the chip could be a lot less expensive to make than, say, a massive GPU accelerator from Nvidia, AMD, or Intel. (It’s hard to say.) Regardless, having indigenous parts matters more than power efficiency for China right now, and into its future, and we said as much last summer when contemplating China’s long road to IT independence. Imagine what China can do with a shrink to 7 nanometer processes when SMIC delivers them – apparently not even using extreme ultraviolet (EUV) light – many years hence. . . .

    The bottom line is that NRCPC, working with SMIC, has had an exascale machine in the field for a year already. (There are two, in fact.) Can the United States say that right now? No it can’t. The United States is counting on its exascale machines to be more energy efficient – Frontier and El Capitan for sure, we shall see with Aurora – but we have no idea how computationally efficient any of these future machines really are.

    One last thing. The BaGuaLu model on the OceanLight machine had 96,000 nodes running for a total of 37.44 million cores, and that was able to do the 14.5 trillion parameters. If you move to FP16 or BF16 precision, that works out to 29 trillion parameters, and if you scale across all the nodes that would fit in 160 cabinets, that gets you to 49.5 trillion parameters at FP16 or BF16. It is not clear how to get to the 174 trillion parameters that the BaGuaLa paper talks about without adding support for INT8 and INT4 data formats. By our math, that would be 198 trillion parameters at INT4 – still well shy of the 500 trillion parameters that GraphCore is shooting for with its “Good” supercomputer in the next few years.

    China may be planning 10 exascale supercomputers by 2025 – While the US has three underway: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-may-be-planning-10-exascale-supercomputers-by-2025/

    China secretly set up the world’s first exascale supercomputer in 2021, and soon followed it up with a second system. The supercomputers were first reported by The Next Platform, but detailed by Kahaner a few months later.

    Kahaner’s research shows that 10 systems are being developed in China, he said in a presentation seen by The Financial Times. He added that due to their lead, Chinese companies are now more focused on domestic competition than on what their international rivals are doing.

  33. Looks like the US have just sparked off a huuuge Chinese development program for the entire stack from silicon wafer production up to processors and software.

    The yellowfellows are doing their maths… previously it was simply cheaper for them to buy the stuff from elsewhere, but with an embargo in place, now they have all the motivation they need to first get rid of Western IT for good, and then quickly oust it globally by offering better and cheaper products. My guess is that the first 1-nm processors will not be made by Intel.

    It is utter idiocy to believe that in any area of technology, but above all in the quickly evolving field of computing in the widest sense, the degrading West is so far advanced that the Chinese cannot catch up within just a few years if given proper incentives. And things being as they are, dem naughty Chinese have enough money to develop anything they deem worthwhile.

    THX… as a Hungarian, I am looking forward to my office using Linux on RISC-V (on boxes shipped via the BRI) while the US-based competitors are still going to be pestered with the Wintel stack.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  34. While I disagree with much of what the author says, I share his fatalism

    This pessimism is understandable from an American perspective.
    It’s the out of touch USA govt yet again declaring war, only this time against an opponent that will totally devastate it if push comes to shove.
    USA-Israel cannot successfully wage war on China-Russia-Iran. One might mention hubris but chutzpah is more appropriate term.

    From being perceived as a beacon of hope for the world (however inappropriately), USA is now the Mad Dog, the Great Satan. Policies of Knesset on Potomac are formulated and enthusiastically followed by all-American boys and girls. The policy makers do pilgrimage to the wall of the Tenth Legion Barracks, lower orders get to forcibly occupy countries, steal their resources, rape/kill their people. People who are not their enemies.
    Americans seem to think they are entitled to continue doing this.

    An argument can be made that USA, less than 250 years old, has been a mistake and even a disaster. It’s destruction or severe disabling would be cheered globally. Let’s hope that there are at least some there who can avert this.
    That America can become a nation among nations.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @threadhopper
  35. Anon[717] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Explain it like I’m 5: how does a militarily crippled Russia losing territory to Ukraine as NATO expands and Turkey betrays Russia = stronger?

    This American plan to “kneecap” China seems to be working. Their economy is doing quite poorly while America’s gets stronger.

    • LOL: Realist
  36. Why did the US spend the last 30 years enabling the Chinese economy at every turn?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  37. I am just an ordinary person but I can clearly see that the leaders of the U.S.A. have completely ignored reality and make all of their decisions based on their own fantasies!! Instead of ” peaceful co-existence ” our moronic leaders make terrible decisions that cause the general public here great distress!! Chinese leaders are much smarter than United States leaders, in my humble estimation!! Whatever moves the U.S.A. makes the Chinese probably have hundreds of countermoves ready to implement!! The United States is falling apart-the United States is corrupt-the United States is living a lie!! The rich and powerful can hide in their bunkers but the rest of these United States are imploding faster day by day!! World wide nuclear war is not winnable; everybody loses including this planet!! That is not a wise plan – it is a death wish!!

  38. More misdirection. One can’t exist without the other.

  39. The Empire of Lies realizes it is losing the economic war, but cannot get round to admit it and try to work on a competitive but equal basis with China.

    Stuck in its Cold War mindset and controlled by the neocon mafia, the U.S. thinks it can wage war on whomever it likes AND come out on top. Never mind that it has lost every single war since the end of WW2, this time it is surely going to be different – the Ukraine does not count either because …… whatever.

    Long live the OUTLAW, ZOG, psychopath-run, blackmailing, sanctioning, belligerent, rogue AngloZioFascist, oligarcho-plutocratic, kleptocratic, kakistocratic Mafia-state-of-insanity-in-decline.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  40. @Mr Gen

    Post-WW II Europeans know nothing but submission.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @anon
  41. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    And the other obvious aspect is that Wall St. has already outsourced our production and hollowed out our economy and sent much of the production to China. So….how is Walmart and Target and Home Depot, etc., going to provide products if we cut ties with China?

    That is quite true. Those that control and own the United States have no concern for the vast majority of U. S. citizens, they are not all Jews, but they have one thing in common they are rapacious megalomaniacs, and the only thing they want is wealth and power. They are the antithesis of what civilization means

  42. anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:

    Does it not occur to the jews who run the USA that they are trying to bully a nation with more than three times the US population and with an average IQ higher than the average US IQ? China has Russia in its corner along with most of the world. If the US bars it from some items it can find those items elsewhere. It’s time for the world to end this farce. The Jews were so enamored with destroying traditional America they helped build up a mighty China that decided playing ball with Jews was a bad idea. Now the Chinese hold the hammer and I hope they swing hard.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  43. anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Because Jews thought China would be the next landing spot and wanted to bring destruction to the White working class and middle class. Jews are motivated by hatred and live for the oppression and destruction of others. They’ll set up shop in India when the US collapse is complete.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Anonymous
    , @Henry's Cat
  44. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Lol. Jesus, you jews live in a fantasy world. Russia is gaining strength and gravitas around the globe while the US shrinks every day. The US debt load is unsustainable and the nation is wrestling with run-away inflation and the legacy of de-industrialization. Plus, the world is looking for an alternative to the Dollar. Stop with the bullshit and stop being a lackey for someone else.

    • Replies: @Anon
  45. Realist says:
    @Mr Gen

    Why would any nation choose subjugation over cooperation?

    Indeed…yet they do.

  46. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ernesto Che

    The longer the Khazarian psychopaths control the US, the worse it will get for the United States. It looks good on them.

    • Agree: Ernesto Che
  47. Malla says:

    The Biden Administration is making it impossible for China to acquire the advanced semiconductors they need to develop their Artificial Intelligence and Supercomputers.

    Since China is the most technologically advanced country in the World, they should build the chips themselves.

    This type of blockade is clearly not allowed under current WTO regulations but, then again, neither are the unilateral sanctions the US has arbitrarily imposed on more than 1,300 Chinese companies.

    Since the USA has broken the law, China should take sue the USA to some global court of law. Also, China can sanction US companies in return. The USA should not have a monopoly on sanctioning nations, let them taste their own medicine.

    Decoupling from Washington will be a net positive for China as it increases the distance in between China and the evil West. China should concentrate on integrating more with the Global South. There are hundreds of millions of people living in South East Asia, Central Asia, Latin America, Middle East, Pacific Islands and Africa with whom economic integration will bring dividends for China. China should start disengaging with the West and Japan and integrating more with the global South while building more cooperation with Russia, Belarus and North Korea.

  48. anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The neoliberal rhetoric of the 1990s was just a cover for the Jews denuding the US manufacturing sector and setting up closer ties with China that would bring profits to them and destruction to Little Town, USA. If David Frum supports its, you can be assured it’s an idea that serves the Zionists but not humanity.

  49. Malla says:
    @anonymous

    Chinese people admire and love Jews, they hate Western White people and the Japanese. The Jews will have no problem in China. Hindus love and admire Jews too, Hindus hate Western White peoples and Muslims. India and China will make great places from where Jews can operate.

  50. @ChineseSTEM

    He is also worried that if Nvidia loses the Chinese market more of their talents may jump ship to their Chinese rival. Moore Thread is founded by a former VP of Nvidia China.

    • Agree: ChineseSTEM
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  51. anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny LeBlanc

    Your post made me laugh. Ah yes, the Americans generously aiding other peoples. That’s never been the US modus operandi: they “aid” these countries in exchange for receiving tribute and servitude. Sorry, dummy: “America” isn’t going to win this time.

  52. Old Timer says:

    The public does not really understand the computer chip industry. American chip manufactures work together to keep other countries from designing and manufacturing main CPU chips. There was a building on AMD’s property in Texas where all chip manufactures had offices and regular meetings to work together to make that all happen. It use to be mostly to keep Japan from gaining the CPU making technology. Now the chip industry is world wide and many engineers have gain information on how it is done but it still centers and gathered together in the US. You might ask and search out why chips are made here but tested and quality controlled in other countries. It seems maybe they do a better job of it than here in the US. It is also clearer why Taiwan is so important.
    Yes the war is on we the people of the world will ALL suffer from in many different ways.

  53. @Ghali

    All of the Chinese money that would be going towards buying chips from Taiwan or worst korea is now going into developing equivalent (or superior) Chinese alternatives. The end result: Taiwan and worst korea lose (and the USA, by extension). China wins.

  54. Anonymous[882] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Careful.

    Indians are even more trickier than they are.

    As the saying goes ‘it takes one to know one’.

  55. A123 says: • Website
    @Ghali

    China has a big monopoly on RE metals (80%).

    China will start to restrict the exports of Gallium and Germanium to the U.S. And without them, the U.S. will have much more difficulty than China to produce high tech products.

    These facts show that gradual decoupling is necessary. A strategic foe is targeting national self defense priorities. The CCP (with the help of collaborators) is setting up the ability to kneecap America. The only sensible response to these acts of CCP aggression is domestic Reindustrialization.

    Look further at the supply chain chaos caused by the WUHAN-19 panic. Whatever one thinks about the WIV lab leak and BigPharma’s jab, vulnerability from reliance on Asian suppliers was laid bare for all to see. Onshoring raw material extraction, refining, industrial goods, pharmaceuticals, etc. is the only way to guarantee national security. Reindustrialization is actually protection from the entire region, not strictly the CCP.

    Decoupling is inevitable and necessary. If done gradually, all of the impacted nations will have time to adapt their economies to new realities. Americans need to expand skills and rebuild heavy industry infrastructure. China needs to stop serving multinationals and improve domestic performance. In gradual decoupling, everybody wins.

    There is huge risk from Xi’s arrogance and heavy handedness. If the CCP starts a trade war resulting in sudden decoupling, the consequences would be:

    • Bad for the U.S. as they have to scramble for raw materials and run short on imported pharmaceuticals.
    • Even worse for the Chinese people. The CCP economy is fragile with failing real estate giants (remember Evergrande), crippled regional banks, and unsustainable government debt loads at the local & city level. Steep declines in export related employment would be destabilizing.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @ghali
    , @Derer
  56. China announced its intent to get rid of the Windows operating system completely. They have produced a Linux distribution aimed to be the replacement.

    What we are witnessing are two mafias going at each other with the people having no say. The very idea that a gov’t, any gov’t, has the right to tell a manufacturer he may not sell his product to anyone he chooses is blatant force with no moral core reason. The part about no US persons being allowed to work in the Chinese semiconductor industry amounts to a form of slavery where they must only work where gov’t permits.

    These latest mafia tactics just display desperation on the US’s part. A decoupling from the largest manufacturing nation on the planet while the US is deindustrialized is suicide.

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. The world belongs to China and Russia and their allies. Both are untainted by “western values” and both have been tempered by their experiences with both foreign imperialist aggression and domestic communism. The big question is whether the regime in Washington can be altered or abolished to end its plotting to prevent a more equitable world order from emerging.

  58. China has a trillion in US treasuries.

    Maybe they can buy their way around the blockade.

  59. anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @The_Masterwang

    China would be smart to tap into shared anti-AngloAmerican resentments within Japanese civil society. Despite the forced groveling by the government, much of the Japanese populace (especially males for obvious reasons) are getting fed up with the Jewmerican control, that recent nigger youtuber in Japan was the last straw.

  60. The United States is signaling that it is now prepared to risk a direct confrontation with a nuclear-armed China to prevent a fast-emerging rival from dominating the Central Asia landmass. We should probably expect an outbreak of hostilities in the very near future??

    Biden is certainly ‘signaling’ a direct confrontation, but the US lacks the means to attack China without suffering immediate, devastating retaliation directed towards US vessels, bases, or cities.

    China’s armed forces have an even greater advantage over us in the West Pacific than Russia’s advantage over us in Eastern Europe: huge.

    • Replies: @nsa
  61. I agree with most commenters analyses, this decision will most likely backfire.

    Though we may be still technological superior this open declaration of war (first blood) albeit TRUE economic war (not the kind Trump did) will probably only be effective temporary or at least slow them down by a couple of years and maybe a decade (really stretching it).

    The main ramifications are correctly outlined by most commentators here to be a replay of what happened in Russia. What most people here have forgotten is that most people (anywhere) are not that political or educated in the know how (red pilled or based whatever). So people (probably around 80%) who were on the fence or just living their lives suddenly see a foreign nation attempt to cripple their home, and not because of some so called virtues reasons like: human rights, freedom or democracy (all BS Casus Belli), but because they are out competing the champion of free markets (ironic).

    What would rice farmer Chang think? What would factory worker Wang think? What would Engineer Chen think? (I’m out of Chinese surnames)

  62. This is all ridiculous. In the short term China will have many problems with this policy–however, as the illegal drug industry proves, sanctions breed black-markets. Some company in Indonesia will buy these chips and then sell it to China in the same way Russian energy is being sold on the international market. Eventually, American companies will find a way to bribe Congress and US officials to make “exceptions” because that is how things are done in Washington below the radar. In the end, that gives the politicians and officials in Washington yet more money coming in.

    US foreign policy is always looking for conflicts so that ruling-class networks make more money and acquire more power–this will keep going until more people start to realize that flag-waving is always a cover for extreme corruption. All wars, cold or hot, are fought not for any goal other than money and power for elites who regard “the people” as food.

  63. SteveK9 says:

    After reading the whole article, I don’t see anything evil, or reprehensible about this. China can develop its own technology, … or not. Use those high Asian IQ’s and stop depending on the white devils. There is a good chance they can do it, and if they can, more power to them. I don’t see anything great coming for humanity from faster and more powerful ‘chips’ though.

  64. HT says:

    At the end of the day this is a racial identity issue. When White Western civilization was destroyed from within by Jew elites and Jew activists, China filled the void. As was done in Weimar, remove the influence of the Jew elites and Germany was quickly restored. The same has to happen here to save the country, civilization, and the White race. Are there any Whites who understand that and are willing to act on it? I don’t see many.

    • Replies: @Ernesto Che
  65. Kali says:
    @JasonT

    It is absolutely essential for the majority of the people in a country to decouple themselves from the global economy. To fail in doing that is to give yourself over to slavery.

    Agreed. – Repeating for emphasis.

    Best regards,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  66. MLK says:
    @ko

    I would put it a bit differently. If the ruling and governing classes didn’t want to destroy the American Middle and Working Classes they wouldn’t have de-industrialized the US and rebuilt China.

    It’s essential to get the medium term right. I won’t belabor it but let’s get it out of the way. The 30+ years since the signal events of 1989-91 have been a world-historical Sad Story for the US.

    Whereas the US falsely claimed credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union, it has remained silent on that which it truly deserves the lion’s share — a resurgent Russia after a mere decade of humiliation.

    That is what the Western elite will never forgive Russia and Putin for.

    Nixon’s “Opening to China” made geo-strategic sense to middle schoolers as an alliance against the Soviet Union. Yet, following Soviet collapse, the USG pulled out the stops to make China great again.

    Even respected analysts like this author play at what I call Born Again Yesterday:

    Washington’s decoupling policy goes far beyond Trump’s ham-fisted tariffs or Biden’s unilateral sanctions on Chinese corporations.

    What is to be gained by memory-holing where we were on this before Trump took the oath? Worse, downright delusion over the illegitimate Biden regime’s loyalties. Not to put too fine a point on it — it belongs to China. If you didn’t figure it out when China played a lead role in “Trump Must Go!”, how about the reports early after Russia kicked off its SMO that Gen. Milley was reporting everything to his PRC handler . . . uh, Chinese military counterpart.

    Here’s the essential point, and I’ve explained it before, the US ruling and governing classes are corrupt and tired. They are desperate for some of that CCP perpetual power magic here at home and are fine with the US as a tributary of China as long as they get to rule the roost without having to contend with that “consent of the governed” thingie.

    Or haven’t you yet noticed that Obama’s “our democracy” monstrosity is entirely cribbed from the CCP.

    • Replies: @SteveK9
  67. Anon[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Lol. Jesus, you jews live in a fantasy world. Russia is gaining strength and gravitas around the globe

    ‘Gaining gravitas’ in the the third world, you meant to say.

    Misery loves company.

    The US debt load is unsustainable and the nation is wrestling with run-away inflation and the legacy of de-industrialization.

    Been hearing this for 40 years. It has never been true and never will be.

    Plus, the world is looking for an alternative to the Dollar

    The third world, you mean. Euros and Japs buy the dollars like their lives depend on them

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dollar-is-still-king-in-europe-and-its-swaying-interest-rates-179f01e5

    Anyway, yea, I know, the third world sucks and they wish United States supremacy would go away. Too bad, ain’t happenin’. Escapism is bad for your health.

    Stop with the bullshit and stop being a lackey for someone else.

    Nothing wrong with being a lackey. The world would be a much better place if the natural born lackies (i.e. BRICS) would accept this truth and learn to love themselves instead of fighting themselves.

    • Replies: @Ernesto Che
    , @迪路
  68. @anonymous

    Because Jews thought China would be the next landing spot and wanted to bring destruction to the White working class and middle class.

    So why stop now?

  69. skrik says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    USA-Israel cannot successfully wage war on China-Russia-Iran. One might mention hubris but chutzpah is more appropriate term

    ‘Yes’ to the 1st but ‘no’ to the 2nd, and that ‘no’ * 2.

    The 1st ‘no’ is because it is *definitely* hubris, and nothing of the other word.

    The 2nd ‘no’ is because of ‘framing’ [see Lakoff’s “Don’t think of an Elephant”].

    IF you use an ‘enemy’ word THEN you invoke the enemy’s ‘frame,’ that is moving the context into enemy territory, so 1) giving the enemy an unnecessary, untoward advantage but worse 2) thus crippling your own argument. It’s an ‘awareness’ thing. rgds

    PS I use the term ‘zusa’ to name the greatest threat to civilised life.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  70. Anon[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @RoatanBill

    Industrializtion is suicide. Look what industrialization did to China’s environment, air and drinking water quality. And they’re poor. Meanwhile de-industrialized countries richer and cleaner than ever.

    Turns out media and digital entrepeneurship and is more powerful than industry. Now eat this banana, you fucking monkey.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  71. “The economic part of the plan is called “decoupling”, which refers to the selective blocking of China’s access to critical technology (particularly advanced semiconductors).”

    We should decouple not only in strategic areas but also in nuts and bolts variety. We need to bring the jobs back home. And anything we don’t want, we can build in Banana Republics in the mezzo America or South America to stem the flow of economy related migration to the north. It behooves US to clean up the cesspool down south with the same assistance with which WE elevated the lowly Chinese from abject poverty to prominence. China isn’t our backyard, so, let it fester in its own filth without American market and besides, they’re a bunch of ungrateful whiners.

  72. @JonesHenry

    China will all of a sudden stop showing benevolent neutrality to Israel at the very critical moment the latter has separated from America and the latter has died. Israel is America’s soul and once such a soul is separated from its body it is in hell, not reincarnating.

  73. anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Russia’s SMO in Ukraine has been extremely successful thus far. China about a year ago announced a brand new photon chip making process and it is currently scaling it into production; this technology is not only a new approach to making chips, but it is also one that has the potential to overcome the limitations presented by today’s leading edge chip making processes, so what I see is: that blocking a competitors access to existing technology will only deny Americans access to the chips made by newer and different technologies?

    The elected leadership of the USA seems to have been enacting legislation and making decisions that have been slowly destroying the America it governs since 1947. Ownership of media, natural resources, energy, water, etc. have been concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer multi national corporations, and legislatures have made it possible for these same few corporations to own important minerals, most technology and to control most access to the information in the form of media, technology copyrights and patents (over 90% of global corporate balance sheet assets are intangibles).

    IMO, most sources of monopoly power and most existing monopoly powers have been privatized and transferred into the hands of fewer and fewer global corporations. Americans have been separated from their economy, those not working for a corporation or a government are on welfare and many of them are homeless. These global corporations are controlled by a few oligarchs and because of the ability of the oligarch to wield the monopoly powers corporations have, the oligarchs have become wealthier, and the corporations the oligarch control have become stronger, wealthier and more capable than the USA itself, a condition which, coupled with digital everything, has allowed contact between government and those who are the governed to be minimized? Voting in America to elect persons to man the positions of power in the USA has become a joke.

    A new global currency is coming via BRICS already 42 nations standing in line to join. Saudi Arabia is tending toward the East, not sure Turkiye has taken a position against Russia, Erdogan does what he thinks is best for Turkiye? Russia has backed away from the BIS and other International Banking organizations and developed, because of sanctions imposed on it, a way to circumvent Swift and has invented, together with China, a way to trade with others in homeland currencies native to each of the traders. IMO, blocking competition is the wrong way to go.

    Seemingly the USA would rather fight competition than allow those it governs ( the Americans ) to aggressively compete in the global arena. Somebody does not want America to become great again?

  74. @Anon

    🤣 Are you a stand-up comedian or just a plain old ordinary clown? Nothing wrong with playing the court jester, your masters have done a good brainwash job on ya, congrats for showing it off. 🤣

  75. Agent76 says:

    Jun 11, 2023 Putin and China just dealt a *KNOCKOUT* blow to the U.S., game over

    This week we got the clearest sign yet that America’s middle east policy has failed. These moves show that Putin and China now have a massive upper hand in the geopolitical chess match unfolding. What’s happening to the United States is worse than we thought.

    Video Link

    Jul 8, 2023 Is Xi Jinping Trying to Become God Emperor?

    Is Xi Jinping trying to become God emperor? Xi Jinping has, since he got to power, been consolidating his power base, taking out his enemies and forcing his political philosophies down everybody’s throats.


    Video Link

  76. SteveK9 says:
    @MLK

    Sadly, Russia has not completely freed itself from the West-leaning, globalist oligarchs in their midst. It’s hard to find other explanations for the strange ‘not-war’ in Ukraine.

  77. @HT

    I agree with the Jew influence: the acronym “ZOG” says it all.
    I don’t agree with the White race nonsense because it is not about races, the Ashkenazi Jews, who are the only problematic part of the Jews in the U.S., are as white as the whitest of whites.

    Their game is targeted at total subjugation of the U.S. That means every ethnicity: whites, blacks, yellows, browns, and the rest of the color spectrum, i.e. the goys. The only reason the goys are on earth is to serve the Jews as slaves, according to the Talmud.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  78. Voltarde says:

    Pushing the Limits of Machine Design: Automated CPU Design with AI

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.12456
    [Submitted on 21 Jun 2023 (v1), last revised 27 Jun 2023 (this version, v2)]

    Shuyao Cheng, Pengwei Jin, Qi Guo, Zidong Du, Rui Zhang, Yunhao Tian, Xing Hu, Yongwei Zhao, Yifan Hao, Xiangtao Guan, Husheng Han, Zhengyue Zhao, Ximing Liu, Ling Li, Xishan Zhang, Yuejie Chu, Weilong Mao, Tianshi Chen & Yunji Chen

    State Key Lab of Processors, Institute of Computing Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences
    University of Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Cambricon Technologies Corporation Limited
    University of Science and Technology of China
    Institute of Software, Chinese Academy of Sciences

    Abstract

    Design activity—constructing an artifact description satisfying given goals and constraints—distinguishes humanity from other animals and traditional machines, and endowing machines with design abilities at the human level or beyond has been a long-term pursuit. Though machines have already demonstrated their abilities in designing new materials, proteins, and computer programs with advanced artificial intelligence (AI) techniques, the search space for designing such objects is relatively small, and thus, “Can machines design like humans?” remains an open question. To explore the boundary of machine design, here we present a new AI approach to automatically design a central processing unit (CPU), the brain of a computer, and one of the world’s most intricate devices humanity have ever designed. This approach generates the circuit logic, which is represented by a graph structure called Binary Speculation Diagram (BSD), of the CPU design from only external input-output observations instead of formal program code. During the generation of BSD, Monte Carlo-based expansion and the distance of Boolean functions are used to guarantee accuracy and efficiency, respectively. By efficiently exploring a search space of unprecedented size (10^10)^540, which is the largest one of all machine-designed objects to our best knowledge, and thus pushing the limits of machine design, our approach generates an industrial-scale RISC-V CPU within only 5 hours. The taped-out CPU successfully runs the Linux operating system and performs comparably against the human-designed Intel 80486SX CPU. In addition to learning the world’s first CPU only from input-output observations, which may reform the semiconductor industry by significantly reducing the design cycle, our approach even autonomously discovers human knowledge of the von Neumann architecture.

    • Thanks: ChineseSTEM
  79. xyzxy says:

    Many argue that if the US ‘decouples’ from China, the oligarchs will bring manufacturing back to America. And then we’ll have Craftsman tools that last a lifetime, made in the USA. However, this is unlikely. Instead, manufacturing will be moved to places like SE Asia: Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, along with India, and possibly Mexico and further south of the border (if you can call it a border).

    In any case, the idea that ‘jobs’ are coming back to the US as we move away from China? It’s not going to happen.

    American demographics do not portend a highly skilled, technical society. Not only that, but cheaper labor imports from India (H1B) will get the tech jobs over Americans. Modi was recently here, working out an increase in ‘temporary’ visas for Indians. And in an effort to ‘decouple’ from China, and to play the India card against China, the administration sold Modi the farm, so to speak.

    Also, the idea that China only produces ‘junk’ not fit for consumption is mistaken. They manufacture to specification, and if the order calls for the cheapest bottom line, that’s what they will produce. Many old timers recall when Japanese goods were considered junk, and not worth owning.

    The thing is, when the rubber meets the road, most Americans choose to save a dollar or three buying Walmart imports, rather than, if given the choice, a more expensive quality item, possibly domestic made. A lot of that is due to the average American’s horrible financial situation, where money is scarce, and all credit is leveraged. Which, by the way, is not China’s fault.

    • Thanks: littlereddot
  80. @Malla

    China loving Jews, that’s to be discussed to say the least : they know who the Sassons were and they don’t want them back, the whole of their recent history is just that of the efforts they made to escape their grip at all costs. Many have been fascinated by the Talmud but their intention was to study in the attempt to understand how to apply its recipes to make money, if they happen to be of any use to that purpose, not to submit to its customary readers. They will never be antisemitic in the White way but they are just waiting for karma to show their former tormentor’s body to flow down the Yang-ze.

    Hindus have more authentic admiration for Jews as they clearly look like the Western World’s own brahmins, but Hindus have no loyalty : while they fawn to Jews they also consider Hitler as an even greater figure of European history than all their former British masters as well as a better example to imitate : what they despise about Whites is the humanism of most. Hindus will never open their hearts to African Blacks to please the Jews nor to sexual diversity : they don’t see much difference between European or American Whites and African or American Blacks except for the latter being ten times as obnoxious.

    • Replies: @Malla
  81. nsa says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Godfley Loberts velly velly light velly velly smalt. Amelika boy velly velly pelvelted malch hollible plide palade velly velly pelvelted watch kiddee poln not wolk leal job fly hollible lainbow fag flag . Chinee have lots big nuke file clacker win big wal velly quick not malch stupid pelvelted plide palade.

  82. This talk of decoupling with China is another scam and psyop, the ZUS built China’s military and industrial base and the zionists put Mao in power and disarmed the Nationalist Chinese and forced
    them to flee to Taiwan, every major ZUS corporation is doing business in China, there is no difference between the ZUS and China, just look at the covid-19 scam and psyop, they both were on the same page aka a genocide depopulation agenda.

    Both China and the ZUS are under zionist/communist/satanic regimes.

  83. Notsofast says:
    @Anon

    to put it terms your 5 year old mentally can comprehend, this is the most incompetent attempt at “kneecapping”, since tonya harding tried to kneecap nancy kerrigan. it will have the same effect, except the chinese won’t be crying ” why me?”, they’ll just show us how a proper kneecapping is done.

  84. Agent76 says:

    July 21, 2023 Neocons Want War With China

    Mirroring meticulous Chinese attention to protocol, they met at Villa 5 of the Diaoyutai State Guesthouse – exactly where Kissinger first met in person with Zhou Enlai in 1971, preparing Nixon’s 1972 visit to China. The Mr. Kissinger Goes to Beijing saga was an “unofficial”, individual attempt to try to mend increasingly fractious Sino-American relations. He was not representing the current American administration.

    https://globalsouth.co/2023/07/21/neocons-want-war-with-china/

  85. @Anon

    China has brought hundreds of millions out of poverty via industrialization. That they did it with lax pollution rules is certainly problematic, but it’s that pollution that allows you to use their products to write the bullshit you did.

    The very internet connection, computer or smart device you use to openly display your stupidity and lack of civility isn’t possible without the Chinese economy since the US purposely lost the bulk of its industry to create the fraud of the ‘consumer economy’ through financialization that is in the process of imploding.

    Temporarily richer and cleaner than ever while circling the bowl now isn’t much of a recommendation, but then you’re just another shit flinger that can’t make a point without the obligatory ad hominem.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  86. Notsofast says:
    @Robertson

    excellent post and i entirely agree. our nation has been turned into “reality tv”, everything these political “actors” say, has been scripted by the uniparty hive mind and fed to us as our political and social ideals. nothing is left to chance anymore, as you have pointed out, they are all compromised before becoming candidates.

    i no longer trust any of them, especially after rfk’s endorsement of the continued abuse of the palestian people. it’s always 5d chess until the swamp isn’t drained or the wall isn’t built.

    as you say, thankfully the rest of the world will be able to see through the ever more bizarro western world, as it slowly decends into a cartoon caricature of its former self. most americans, however will gladly download themselves into the metaverse.

  87. After the Ukrainians have used up their men fighting Russia; President Biden intends to get the Polish army to replace them into the Ukraine war. NATO will declare war on Russia and the U.S.A. will drop out of NATO leaving the Europeans to fight the Russians all by themselves!! Europe gets destroyed!!

    That mission accomplished China is next in line!! Australia, Japan, and South Korea will be conned into the first battles of this Hell on Earth!!

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  88. @Arthur MacBride

    So far as the small hats are concerned, they DO have the right to steal, kill, etc. As for lesser Americans (aka goyim), who are they to question the Talmud?

  89. I haven’t read the entire article, and I have other business to attend to, so this brief comment will have to do.

    The China plan will die stillborn.

    The same degenerate madmen, the Neocons, are now embarked on destroying Russia, but failing catastrophically in that effort. Instead, they are destroying both the United States and its European vassals. Yet they continue unrelenting on their path of destruction and self-destruction, despite their imminent and catastrophic defeat by Russia. Unable to accept defeat, they shift their focus to China. But the China effort will be stillborn, as they are now exhausting their power and savagery on those lands they currently control, starting with Ukraine.

    Ukraine is being defeated, NATO is being defeated, the United States is being defeated, and in the process the Neoconservatives who are behind it all will — finally — be defeated as well. When their victims lie crushed by the Neocon criminal madness, by their mad schemes of world domination, the Neocons will be seen at last as the source of the world’s misery … and the rage of their victims will fall upon them … as it always has.

    Does it need to be mentioned — the truth forbidden to be spoken — that it is the upper echelon of Jewish society, the Zionists/supremacist/exceptionalist/chosen ones, who are the core of the Neoconservative criminal cabal?

    Their history, all 5000 or so years, demonstrates a pattern. An inescapable and unchanging pattern that we may assume will now be repeated yet again: They infect a society, they do very well economically. They prey upon the natives, eventually become overwhelmingly rich, until, using their wealth, they seize political power and thoroughly immiserate the native people.

    Then comes the climax: Identifying at last the source of their misery, the native population rises up and corrects the situation. The Jews, yet again wailing of their innocence, are enslaved, banished, or killed.

    No one does drama like the Jews.

    • LOL: meamjojo
  90. @Agent76

    Bullshit. Xi is not a pathetical corpse sitting on a golden chair.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  91. Agent76 says:
    @The_Masterwang

    Do you have a read or video stating these things for my review? It would be much appreciated.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  92. @Robertson

    High-end chip making is basically lithography with ultra-short wavelength lasers. Once they master the lasers, everything else is easy-peasy. To master the lasers, they need to master math and physics. It definitely doesn’t seem to me as an unsurmountable obstacle for either the Chinese or the Russian. But go explain reality to entitled, conceited, delusional, “liberal arts” clowns.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  93. Dutch Boy says:
    @JasonT

    “Global Economy” is merely a euphemism for the outsourcing of production to low wage countries.

  94. meamjojo says:
    @Tom Welsh

    “Any major attack would immediately bring Russia, and perhaps other nations such as Iran, into the war on China’s side. They know perfectly well that they must hang together or hang separately. ”

    There are sub nuke missiles targeted to each of those countries major cities, just waiting to be let loose. I doubt they will side with China, knowing this.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Showmethereal
  95. @skrik

    Thanks skrik.

    Of course I employed chutzpah in an attempt to hint where the main impetus for the ruination of the west originates. But you make a good point.

    “The Jews made us do it” is a fake argument of dishonest cowards.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  96. China’s unrelenting greed is making it extremely vulnerable to such tactics – If China had the willpower, it would have cut off it’s exports to the US which would have kneecapped the hegemon quicker than the Chinese – The US is surviving on the goods and materials that China makes and without that most Americans would be starving within weeks – But the profit minded cheap traders mentality of the Chinese stops them from taking any retaliatory action which jeapordises the flow of money – The Chinese is full of idle threats

  97. Notsofast says:
    @Passing by

    agree and in the end the u.s., will shoot itself in the foot once again. just like with iran, when they were forced to develop their own military tech, that then lead to their drone and hypersonic missile programs that have proven to be the next generation of weapons and warfare. it is the u.s. that will be once again surpassed, as their rivals develop in house solutions from locally sourced materials, while the u.s. can’t educate engineers due to the incompetence of their educational systems.

    • Agree: littlereddot
  98. The ruling class of the Republican Party and the ruling class of the Democrat Party has been in bed with the Chinese Communist Party for decades.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire has colluded with the Chinese Communist Party to use cheap Chinese labor to make big profits.

    Disgusting globalizer geezer scumbags like 81 year old Mitch McConnell are financially benefiting from making shady deals with the Chinese Communist Party.

    Horrible politician rats in the Republican Party brought China into the World Trade Organization and they granted China Most Favored Nation trade status.

    All Chinese interlopers and their spawn now in the USA must be removed from the USA and they must not be allowed to infiltrate any other European Christian nations.

    Chinese chap Andrew Yang mused about the uneasy future of foreigners and their spawn in the USA when the globalized central banker shysters bring on the next round of the global financial implosion, and Yang’s foreboding ruminations about foreigners and their spawn in the USA might be close to the truth.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is flooding the United States of America with Chinese infiltrator interloper invaders. The New York City area and California and some other parts of the USA have been inundated and flooded with Chinese interloper invader infiltrators.

    It is vital that the new White Core American ruling class of the American Empire strongly encourages or facilitates the citizenship revocation of many foreigners and their spawn in the USA. The ones from Ivy League universities should be seen, because of their intelligence, as the foreigners to be deported first. Overly harsh? Tough cookies — when the next phase of the global financial implosion hits, it will be easy to remove and deport many tens of millions of foreigners and the spawn of foreigners from the USA.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using the mass immigration of Chinese infiltrators to destroy the sovereignty and cultural integrity of the United States.

    Chinese agents of influence with known links to the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY have infiltrated the United States government at the highest levels. Mitch McConnell’s wife has family ties to a Chinese outfit that has extensive contracts and commercial ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

    White Core American Patriots must put into place contingency plans to deal with the Chinese invasion of the United States.

    The Chinese are using both illegal immigration and legal immigration to colonize and occupy the United States of America. It must stop!

    Tweet from 2015:

  99. @Hulkamania

    Correct. Trade wars are stupid and counterproductive. Much like our girl-munching President.

  100. Difference is Soviet Leaders had real power, whereas the old fools in Congress are just tools of Jewish Gangsters with firm grip on power.

  101. ghali says:
    @A123

    You are very confused, just like Joe. You lack intelligence and guided by xenophobia.

    • Replies: @A123
  102. As I understand it many Western companies have made substantial investments in companies in China. If the United States engages in an economic war with China, there seemed to be many ways for China to strike back. As a start they can: seize those Western company investment assets, steal US intellectual property, fire sale Treasury bonds (damaging the dollar), and embargo rare earths.

    Meanwhile, China’s technical talent gives them an ability to innovate around any technology restrictions.

    No, this is just more self-defeating Neocon overreach.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Notsofast
  103. Notsofast says:
    @meamjojo

    if the u.s. starts throwing nukes around, they will find out what they should have learned from ukraine, that they have been totally eclipsed in technology. the s 400 is the world’s premiere anti-ballistic missile system, that has no peer and has so embarrassed the patriot system, exposing it’s useless nature in ukraine. the s 500’s systems (that can take out hypersonic missiles, that u.s. can’t even build yet), are being integrated and deployed and the s 550’s (that can take out icbms and satellites) went into service in december of 2021. you might ask yourself what else happened that month, perhaps a final warning? if the rabid zioneocons decide to go full sampson option (or in their case full simpson, as in homer), the u.s. will be fried to a cinder. are they really that crazy? i guess we’ll find out, sounds like a lot of huffing and puffing to me, (most likely gasoline and crack).

  104. Looger says:

    “Can you see what’s going on? The Biden Administration is making it impossible for China to acquire the advanced semiconductors they need to develop their Artificial Intelligence and Supercomputers.”

    Semiconductors are an American technology, from the publicly financed Silicon Valley war / post war debt-based spending spree. China is lucky to not start from scratch.

    Artificial intelligence? Really? When’s the last time anyone here reading this beat a computer at chess?

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  105. Notsofast says:
    @Jeff Davis

    agree and i hope china uses the t-bills to pay off african and central american western debt and renegotiate their debt into yuan. that would free them from debt slavery to these colonial bankster criminals that have usurped their resources for centuries.

  106. roonaldo says:

    Starved of chips, the Chinese are ramping up abacus production. Biden has now banned all wooden bead exports to China, as well as the technology used to produce them.

    The chip ban has shut down all their high-speed rail transport and the Chinese have responded with emergency rickshaw production. The U.S. countered with sanctions against any country exporting rickshaws or rickshaw drivers to China, which has drawn protests from the Indian government.

    Its building industries crippled, China has reverted to bamboo hut production. The Biden administration reacted with a 90 billion dollar contract to BioNtech for production of anti-bamboo biowarfare agents.

    In other news, Biden declared Putin has already lost the war in Ukraine, men can get pregnant, and that he embodies AI. He won’t say whether the implants and chemicals which he and Hillary are using for continued brain function will be offered to Mitch McConnell and Diane Feinstein.

    Assured of world dominance for the next hundred years, Victoria Nuland shouted “Fuck the ETs” as the UAP-UFO hearings got underway in Washington.

  107. @Looger

    Mind you: AI is strictly and exclusively left-brain, analytical, rationalistic and utterly without mind, though, of course it has a programmed form of brain-power. Thus, Artificial Intelligence by definition cannot be or become imbued with full consciousness.

    Oh, the concept ensorcels many techie types who are dominated by mechanistic modes of thinking. Without balancing input from the right side of the brain and of course, the pineal gland and to barely mention the subconscious. AI may be quite proficient in a game of chess and maybe even outstanding.

    Utter anathema to the materialistic, rationalistic, academicist mindset is the fact that humans are, as Rupert Sheldrake points out, connected to the entire cosmos, with innate, but currently suppressed powers of creativity…elements which will never develop within those soul-less and spiritually void manmade intellectual artifacts.

    • Replies: @Looger
  108. A123 says: • Website
    @ghali

    ROTFLMAO

    Everyone here knows you are a fan of Not-The-President Biden and his coke head offspring.

     

     

    Supporting MAGA Reindustrialization of America is simple Christian common sense.

    PEACE 😇

  109. War is the fight over who’s gonna be The Boss
    War is the fight over who’s gonna be Your Boss…

  110. @cousin lucky

    NATO will declare war on Russia and the U.S.A. will drop out of NATO leaving the Europeans to fight the Russians all by themselves!!

    When that happens, the Europeans cannot deny who stabbed them in the back any longer. They will hate the USA far more than the Russians and Chinese.

    Now the USA faces Russia+China+Europe.

    That mission accomplished China is next in line!! Australia, Japan, and South Korea will be conned into the first battles of this Hell on Earth!!

    Don’t think that the Asians believe the US line. They are giving subtle signals to the USA, but Washington is too dense to understand.

    A couple of years back the Prime Minister of Singapore (supposed US ally) told the US “We want to be friends with both, do not make us choose between China and USA, for you may not like the answer“.

    Washington was not listening. Your MSM is likewise too stupid to pick it up. Did any outlet ever report on Asian sentiments like these?

    The Prime Minister made a mistake, he should not have made the statement in subtle Asian fashion. He should have done it US style …. “Listen up M#therf#ckers, if you continue to stir up sh#t in this region, we are joining China’s side right now!”

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @cousin lucky
  111. 迪路 says:
    @Anon

    Have you noticed that your residential electricity consumption is declining, and your GDP is made up by the after-effects of COVID-19 health care?
    I don’t know when you get cancer. Can you afford it?
    As for competition between the US and China, what does that have to do with you being broke and probably not even making $3,000 a month?
    Mind your own business, or you’ll be a maggot in a cesspool.

  112. @Dutch Boy

    “Global Economy” is merely a euphemism for the outsourcing of production to low wage countries.

    I can’t argue with that astute observation. You have managed to cut out all the fluff and see the essence of it.

    But to extrapolate it one step further:

    In order to re-industrialise, US salaries will have to fall to the level of the rest of the world.

    • Agree: Odyssey
  113. @Tranceislife

    The Chinese do not want to deal with a sudden implosion of the US economy nor economic world system.

    They want a slow fizzle out. Afterall the “shooting” war is already won.

    US simulated war games consistently show that they cannot win against China. If they think they could, they would have already started a real war.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  114. Mycale says:

    China has responded to this by scaling up and building out their internal semiconductor fabrication industry. You can watch videos of people using their chips on YouTube. The summary is, right now they are not very good, but they are improving rapidly. Of course, this is right in line with China’s entire trajectory as a manufacturing powerhouse.

    I think it is easier for China to add one more thing to the giant pile of stuff that it makes already, than it is for the fat, stupid, drug-addicted people of the USA to remake the pile it dismantled and shipped across the Pacific decades ago. The fact is, the American knowledge of manufacturing is rapidly disappearing and becoming as lost as Roman concrete in the Middle Ages. We saw in two recent stories – one, where Intel couldn’t get their American fab up and running because of a lack of qualified employees, and two, Raytheon trying to re-hire 80 year olds to restart long-dormant weapon assembly lines. How can China be afraid of a clown show like this?

    • Replies: @TheBigChink
  115. After hearing all my life that free market capitalism is the best economic system in the world, it becomes obvious it can’t compete with others.

  116. @Dutch Boy

    In addition to outsourcing, it also means the atomization of national identity and thereby the forced influx of the third world into formerly homogenous first world (western) countries. This two-prong approach guarantees what was the west will never again have an opportunity to challenge the intn’l elite consortium.

    One can already hear the scratching sound of rats leaving the ship.

  117. @Agent76

    Nothing but stupidity. What is China doing inside of its border is China’s business and nobody’s else’s.
    This retarded idiot wants to recommend US System for China. How is the US economic system doing ? Ido not
    think that is doing too well. People are happy when the prices for goods and services are going down and wages are going up is that happening in US? Truth is actually very simple. Everybody can understand it.

  118. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @littlereddot

    Well, American salaries have already stagnated for over 50 years, so that shouldn’t be too difficult …….. Give it another 50 years ; )

    • Thanks: littlereddot
  119. Some may like this article about war with China:

    The Star-Spangled Kangaroo by Ms Caitlin Johnstone!

    https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2023/07/27/the-star-spangled-kangaroo/

    • Replies: @alienhotcock
  120. @Dutch Boy

    Not just low wage but high efficiency. Wages in India is 1/3 of China’s. Why hasn’t India replaced China? Why did Elon Musk build his factories in China and Germany instead of India?

    • Agree: ChineseSTEM
  121. @Carroll Price

    Free market capitalism works beautifully-for the rich owners of the economy, as intended.As for the other 90% or so, they can scrabble about for the scraps.

  122. @littlereddot

    Don’t forget the Samson Option. The USA’s ruling psychopaths may simply decide to destroy the world if they can no longer rule over it.

    • Thanks: littlereddot
  123. @Tranceislife

    Of course you are a Westerner, and think in thuggish terms only. The Chinese are wiser.

  124. This article is bullshit. Why didn’t the USA decouple in the 1990s? Or 2004? Or 2010? China has always been formidable but was accepted by USA. Mike Witney is CIA speak. Just western “controlled opposition” propaganda. There’s a much bigger reason why this is happening and you’ll never hear it from slugs like Whitney..

  125. @cousin lucky

    she is controlled opposition.

  126. @Carroll Price

    That’s only because you’ve never experienced free market capitalism; you have experienced crony capitalism where the gov’t (mafia) controls the economy through its central bank and via its laws that interfere in private commercial transactions.

    The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay ……. If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.
    Frederic Bastiat

    • Agree: Mark G.
  127. katesisco says:

    China most likely is fully aware of the US policies to PUT US FIRST. As we did in crushing Haiti’s sugar market. So we could sell corn sugar. And guess what? That dirty deal has come back home……..
    China says No to our corn and Bngo! we have a new store in the neighborhood selling pet food. The corn market has collapsed catastrophically and the new local buildings are miniature mill outlets.
    Can backyard chickens make up the difference?

  128. @ChineseSTEM

    I read somewhere that young Iranians can migrate to the USA and easily get well-paid jobs because they are more highly educated than corresponding Americans. And are debt-free.

    • Thanks: ChineseSTEM
    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  129. @The_Masterwang

    Wages in India is 1/3 of China’s. Why hasn’t India replaced China?

    One example can be given by https://www.ft.com/content/0d70a823-0fba-49ae-a453-2518afcb01f9,

    While Apple has been producing lower-end iPhones in India since 2017, last September was significant with Indian suppliers building flagship models within weeks of their launch in China, where virtually all iPhones and other Apple hardware are made.

    But its experience in recent months has demonstrated the scale of the work to be done in the country.

    At a casings factory in Hosur run by Indian conglomerate Tata, one of Apple’s suppliers, just about one out of every two components coming off the production line is in good enough shape to eventually be sent to Foxconn, Apple’s assembly partner for building iPhones, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    This 50 per cent “yield” fares badly compared with Apple’s goal for zero defects. Two people that have worked in Apple’s offshore operations said the factory is on a plan towards improving proficiency but the road ahead is long.

    Five years ago, when Zetter did research for the Indian think-tank Gateway House, he found contract manufacturers would “frequently claim they can fulfil any need” for an electronics client. But in reality they would be “slow to respond to customer concerns after the deal is signed” and “lack flexibility” to respond to changes.

    A common misconception is that the PRC continues to retain its dominance due to “low-wage manufacturing”, however, as a country that boasts a higher robot density than the United States, the PRC its edge due to technological superiority in manufacturing sectors as identified by various commentators (one can revisit Goldman’s article, https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/why-america-losing-tech-war-china-206664).

    https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/wr-report-all-time-high-with-half-a-million-robots-installed

    Installations for the region´s largest adopter China grew strongly by 51% with 268,195 units shipped. Every other robot installed globally in 2021 was deployed here. The operational stock broke the 1-million-unit mark (+27%). This high growth rate indicates the rapid speed of robotization in China.



    Video Link
    Dramatized video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5kO_BnXAwc

    Video Link
    Huawei’s marketing video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRJQ96y-0_g

    Video Link


    Video Link

    Video Link
    The Jiangnan shipyard has greater shipbuilding capacity than all U.S. shipyards combined.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. @The_Masterwang

    Why did Elon Musk build his factories in China and Germany instead of India?

    Below are some quotes as attributed to Musk,

    “They work the hardest and they work the smartest. And so we guess, there is probably some company out of China as the most likely to be second to Tesla. Our team is winning in China. And think we actually are able to attract the best talent in China. So hopefully that continues.”

    “I tell people throughout the world, the cars we produce here are not just the most efficient production, but also the highest quality.” – Elon Musk in Shanghai

    “I think, really, China is going to be great at anything it puts its mind into. That includes many different sectors – sectors of the economy, but also artificial intelligence.”


    Musk at Twitter,

    • Agree: JR Foley
  131. @Mycale

    Excellent comparison

    If I could add the gas pipeline from Canada which I believe we had to invite retirees to run because everything is automated and nobody knew how to run a manual control system for said pipeline.

  132. @littlereddot

    Use of the word “salaries” is misleading. The bulk of workers receive wages, not salaries. A significant proportion of salaried employees, those with letters following their surnames, are now also, as members of the working-class…NOT classical own your own means of production middle class…beginning to finally get it as their salaries decline too.

    Face it. The Western world, particularly the Five Eyes, are totally dominated economically by a tiny cabal of Talmudist financiers. Therefore, successful re-industrialization would hinge entirely on destruction of the cabal and returning control over the money-system to the respective nations.

    • Agree: skrik
    • Replies: @skrik
  133. FifthDim says:

    I work at the largest Canadian store chain. Large semis deliver products every second day. So far, the only products I have seen “Made in Canada” are wood rod dowels and wire brushes, the rest of the 90,000 items the store sells are “Made in China”. This is what I would call a very effective decoupling strategy.

  134. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChineseSTEM

    As a Briton, it surprises me not that the UK is *not even included* on that robot installation chart.

  135. skrik says:
    @emerging majority

    successful re-industrialization would hinge entirely on destruction of the cabal

    Err, not quite. The neoliberal erring-ideology would have to be totally abandoned and the ‘privatisation of the commons’ fully reversed and most specifically, health-care and education returned to ‘single-payer’ [to be-made-honest providers] = govt. financed, correct quality assured, no rip-off fees for us, we the people. Proof = EGW did it in Aus [plus lots more, see his govt’s PRRT, say], but then the filthy forces of evil continuously nibble those *golden oldies* away, like diseased rats chewing on fetid stale bread, the foul black mould sticking in their teeth. rgds

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @ChineseSTEM
  136. @ChineseSTEM

    As there cannot be a shadow of a doubt within TSMC that Taiwan Central
    will be Nordstreamed by the Usual Suspects Russia! the very
    moment the Arizona plant is up and running, might this be some underhanded
    insurance policy?

    • LOL: ChineseSTEM
  137. Levtraro says:
    @skrik

    You’re right. Neolibs are on the way out due to the rise of China, which they helped happen. Neolibs were only good while the USA has no competition so it could allow its economic elites to prey upon their working and middle classes leading to generalized deterioration. But now with serious competition neolibs will have to go back to writing papers from academic positions while national policy is dictated by a new crop of charlatans that are more focused on ‘commonalities’.

  138. @skrik

    Aussie land is the shithole that had once fantasized over a pseudo-Chinese exclusion act in the form of the Pink Aussie Policy. It saddens me that at least hundreds of thousands of Chinese will continue to disproportionately contribute to the shithole considering one’s preferences for karma (worse of all, these Chinese counterparts are attracted to ‘stray based on beds of lies) – although bogan country is suffering from a diversity of crises, including their gambling crisis, their opioid crisis, their ice crisis, their retard crisis (sans the Chinese-Australians and other demographics), their housing crisis, their homelessness crisis, their alcoholism crisis, and so on and on – dumbest bags of WASP shits I have encountered in my entire life even in academia (one cannot deny that other WASP demographics are more suited for human-human interactions).

    If healthcare continues to deteriorate in ausshwit (e.g. ramping in south aus), in conjunction with a number of issues as in issues of climate change, then one cannot help but feel that karma is alive – and this is that auscshwit that disproportionately uses Chinese technologies for their renewable energy sectors.

    I’m just glad so many fantastic international Chinese students have discovered what a dilapidated chimpanzee zoo aussie land is.

  139. Looger says:
    @emerging majority

    You’re right that the brain is ethereally connected, to go back a century to borrow their terms.

    The cold hard fact is that computers are designed, originally from Boolean back in the late 19th century, to emulate the human brain on a logical basis only.

    The recent ‘advances’ in AI have more to do with our perceptions and how muddy that line looks when the programming gets comlex enough.

    We got a preview of this about 20+ years ago when deep blue ‘beat’ Kasparov – meaning a team with dozens of chess experts made small adjustments to beat a single opponent.

    Research into the brain shows it acts more like a receiver than a transmitter, from an electrical engineering perspective.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  140. Looger says:
    @The_Masterwang

    “Wages in India is 1/3 of China’s. Why hasn’t India replaced China?”

    Because Indians can’t organize their way out of a wet paper bag.

    I started two Amazon buildings in western Canada as maintenance, run by a separate company because machines don’t respond to feels. YYC1 took two years for Indians to take over enough key positions to prevent smooth running. YEG1 started in the Indian part of town (SE Edmonton) and was thus immediately hamstrung. Fucked from the start.

    It’s not even India’s internal diversity. They just cannot self-organize, even when it’s all Hindus. Constant backstabbing, sabotage, literal nonsense decisions. I wish I could articulate it but perhaps the country itself is the best evidence for expected outcome.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Curry Ginger Vinegar
  141. @ko

    In the semiconductor industry the US is trying. They offered tens of billions in subsidy to get TSMC and Samsung and SK Hynix to build fabs in the US. But the countries are now questioning the subsidy because the US wants more say. That and it is much more expensive to build and talent is short. TSMC again just pushed back the date of their Arizona fab opening. They said they can’t find the talent so have to entice more people from Taiwan to go to Arizona to finish the process

  142. @Looger

    Thoughtful response.

    My perspective on the brain is aligned fairly closely with yours. Terminologically, the position I hold is that that organ is the hardware, while the software is the mind.

    In the U$$A, largely due to the extensive infiltration of stannous fluoride into drinking water and various similar liquids, the crystalline composition of the pineal gland is clouded up by that invasive chemical substance. Thus, higher level connexion is largely occluded. Result is that the receiver aspect of the brain constitutes the almost exclusive input. The mind has a highly inductive rather than strictly deductive function. Therefore frontal-lobe, left-brain processes have near monopolies over most intellectual developments.

  143. @ChineseSTEM

    Biden and his team said India can replace China. But yeah the company leaders don’t seem to agree.

  144. @Johnny LeBlanc

    American efforts to “help” Japan. No. The US under Commodore Perry forced Japan to open. Then under Teddy Roosevelt decided to back Japan as a spear against China and the 8 nation alliance. It was hoped Japan would westernize Asia. It wasn’t because of altruism. In the same way the US only befriended China to use it against the Soviets. Of course as the author noted – China never had an interest in being a U.S. vassal.

  145. DC doesn’t have to do a thing to kneecap Red China’s economy. Conditions inside China have done that quite well. Labor costs have skyrocketed and people are pulling out as a result.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  146. Johnny 99 says:

    It is economic suicide by the US to engage in a trade war with China. US should stop all trade sanctions with all countries and let all banks in the world use SWIFT payment system, and promise to upgrade it to INSTANT payment free of charge and push for free trade with all Nations.

    USA will lose the trade war and China will Winn. China has already achieved breakthrough technologies in AI, semiconductors, operating system.

  147. @littlereddot

    No one in their right mind wants to start a nuclear war; and this is the problem!! The people running the U.S.A. have convinced themselves that they can win a nuclear war!!

    China and Russia are not Grenada or Iraq or Kosovo!! The United States of America will never recover from a nuclear attack from anyone; big country or small country!! The United States is all smoke and mirrors with propaganda on top of the propaganda!! This country is way too corrupt to ever become great again!!

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  148. @The_Masterwang

    Biren Technology is another GPU company that also has a lot of Nvidia and AMD former staff. I guess they thought Chinese people would stick with American companies when a tech war started. I mean the Chinese semiconductor industry is basically made up of Taiwanese who moved to Mainland China – or those that worked for US companies in the US and returned to China – or at US subsidiaries. So what it has also done is reduced the talent pool at US companies too. They all warned from Microsoft to Intel to AMD. Political hubris it seems.

  149. @Agent76

    China Uncensored is complete Falun Gong garbage (helped by NED and State Dept). Not worth paying attention

  150. @meamjojo

    The naval drills and patrols that Russia and China have been doing the past week in the Sea of Japan and the Pacific are what exactly? The command ship was a Chinese ship and the Chinese ships docked in Vladivostok with the Russian ships. Same as the last joint air patrols where both Russian and Chinese planes landed in each others territories during the mission. When they tell you they do both to maintain security in the region – what do you think they mean?

  151. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I mean, no student debt like the mad American … madness.

  152. @Robertson

    It’s not paper ballots that rig elections. Just the opposite, computerized counting.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @emerging majority
  153. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    When machines count the votes, voters’ votes don’t count.

  154. @cousin lucky

    The people running the U.S.A. have convinced themselves that they can win a nuclear war!!

    Unfortunately I don’t know that they are really in their right mind anymore.

    None of us would have expected that they push Russia and China together. That is insanity. Yet they did.

    Something is seriously broken in their system.

  155. @Ernesto Che

    And Ashkenaz (Genesis 10:3) was a Japhethite, not a Semite. The invention of the Jewish people is chock-full of lies. They are primarily haters, but close behind, liars above all else.

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  156. @ChineseSTEM

    You know Austfailia well. I had hopes when Whitlam was elected, but after the USA, Murdoch and local sub-fascists like the certifiable moron, Bjelke-Petersen, got rid of him, it has been downhill, at accelerating pace, ever since.
    The current one-term ‘Greasy’ Albanese regime is so far up the Yanks’ fundament that all you can see are the soles of his feet sticking out. When Uncle Satan goes down, so, too, will his most groveling lick-spittle. A real pity, actually.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • LOL: ChineseSTEM
  157. Malla says:
    @Francis Miville

    they know who the Sassons were and they don’t want them back

    Yes, but they still admire Jews and want to put 10000% of the blame on Anglos, all Anglos, even the Anglos who opposed the Opium trade. For them all Anglos are pure evil, who need to be genocided off the planet. In this they are similar to Jews (among many other ways). Indians have a similar hatred for Western Whites and Anglos but Hindus hate Muslims and China more now. For Hindus, Muslims are evil Satanic vermin and China is an evil Imperialist nation who will always would want to harm Indians and maybe enslave Indians. In other words, China is the new British colonialists on their borders.

    Hindus have more authentic admiration for Jews as they clearly look like the Western World’s own brahmins,

    Maybe, but Jews will always support Hindus over Chinese to the shock and disappointment of the Chinese.

    consider Hitler as an even greater figure of European history

    They respect Hitler as a strong Nationalist leader as well as a leader who spoke his mind straightforward. What Indians hate are sliely politicians who talk high flatulence talk like “World piss”, “tolerance” etc… who they are very suspicious about and see them as cunning pussies.

    what they despise about Whites is the humanism of most.

    Not true, that may be partially true of hardcore Brahmins. What they hate about Whites, is what why the Chinese or Muslims etc… hate Whites. Superiority-Inferiority complex. An arrogant population (Indians, Chinese, Muslims etc..) who believed in their civilizational, religious, racial etc… superiority, getting humbled by the more sophisticated, successful White man and Western Civilization.

    Hindus will never open their hearts to African Blacks

    Not only Hindus, Indians are not stupid to allow millions of a violent, arrogant, cunning race take over parts of their traditional territory. That is White man stupidity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  158. Malla says:
    @ChineseSTEM

    Video Link
    New SCAM out of China – The Pig Butchering Scam!

  159. @ChineseSTEM

    That’s interesting. I’m Australian. It’s true that the Australian politicians are a bunch of ratbags whose chief aim is to lick America’s rear orifice. Sleazy became PM, rushed off to Ukraine to hug the vicious comedian Zelensky. Did he rush to England to visit Julian Assange? No.

    But are you just wildly throwing around disparaging labels? Please tell us more, with evidence, references, links. Thanks.

  160. China will actívate its gold reserves.(larger rhan official figures)
    Financial war incoming. Gold revaluation

  161. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Bogan dipshit land being one of the most Sinophobic countries on Earth, one can’t help but occasionally fantasize over a potential explicit military conflict between the PRC and shithole aussie land so generations of aussies can experience the consequences of their primitive savagery. Such a possibility hinges entirely on Chinese Gen Z, and knowing these stupid fucking aussie chimpanzees, one can count on these shit-skulls in their abilities to piss off more Chinese Gen Z. Sadly, they’re so fucking stupid and cowardly that it’s unlikely that aussie shit hole will bring those 8 nuclear submarines into the first island chain three decades from now – they’ll just cower like the monkeys they are with their obsolete nuclear submarines as they continue to blast Sinophobic trash throughout their trashy media.

    If you’re Australian, are you one of those who can recognize the savagery and animalistic backwardness of WASP aus trash (NOT just the politicians, but a people issue), or one of those obnoxious chimps who like to pretend that trashy bogans are in the minority?

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  162. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Was Trump popularly in India?

    He spoke his mind alright.
    He is unabashedly anti Muslim.
    He is very rich.
    He is a very good money maker and businessman.
    He gives the impression of ‘toughness’ and ‘hardness’.

    • Replies: @Malla
  163. @JohnnyWalker123

    Unless Malla thinks you are Muslim or Chinese he will behave sheepishly toward you. He won’t even try to refute nor justify . But on a personal level- when I get those calls I like to taunt them and mess with them – lol. Sometimes though I appeal to their conscience though and tell them to repent and stop scamming

    • Replies: @Malla
  164. The US can try to ‘decouple’, but it no longer has the power to constrain China’s development as much as some elites believe the US needs to. China’s well-educated population base is already producing more patents every year than the US, and China’s productive capacity simply eclipses the USA’s. This might have worked in the 90s, but not today.
    The USA will manage to disrupt China’s development, but at a big cost to its own economy. Not only will the USA lose China as a customer – which will likely cause many big US’s businesses to go bankrupt, the world outside of NATO will take note of the US’s explicitly imperial approach to global affairs (again), accelerating the global trend to de-dollarize and increase trade between non-NATO nations.
    The US dollar will lose its purchasing power, costs of imports will skyrocket, the US economy will crater, and countries will be less willing to finance the US’s massive yearly trade deficit and offer goods in exchange for credit. US credit will decrease in value. Additionally, countries saddled with US dollar debt will feel emboldened to default on these debts – most imposed at the point of a gun by some dictator put in power via US regime changes – because they’ll be able to get a financial reset and preferable terms from BRICS.
    What the US is doing here is isolating itself and showing the world the true evil of its ruling elites. An alternative would be for the US to stop pretending it has a divine right to rule the planet by force and to join the community of nations, re-affirm its pledge to the UN charter and international law, reduce its military budget and increase its role in helping developing nations eradicate poverty and move up the value chain, and demonstrate actual moral leadership instead of the abject hypocrisy it is currently renowned for.
    Such a path would ensure the US can continue to thrive and provide aspirational leadership and avoid more costly and completely unecessary, counterproductive wars of choice.
    Sadly, what we are seeing and most likely will see are increasingly deranged and suicidal policies from an empire in its death throes. Buy gold, silver and crypto.

  165. peterAUS says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I guess you’ve learnt something from the comment #167. This could help there:
    https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/5790/5790

    Your take on the Australian politicians is interesting.

    May I ask you what’s your take on the Aussie “alt-right”?

    More specifically, any thoughts about Riccardo Bosi?
    Like….from here:



    Video Link

    I simply can’t figure out what, exactly, is that “Global Alliance” and who are those “White Hats”. Perhaps you could help here?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  166. JR Foley says:
    @Anon

    It is the exact–exact opposite —do you read or fact find before penning??

  167. JR Foley says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    They (Jews) killed their own prophets and the Golden Calf was their response to being instructed by the Almighty and lastly we have Barabbas—–being freed ( liar and murderer and insurrectionist) over the Son of the Almighty.

  168. JR Foley says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    How in hell could intelligent voters fall from Gough Whitlam to a buffoon like Scottie Morrison???

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @skrik
  169. @Stephan Larose

    producing more patents every year than the US

    The most productive inventors in the U.S. today are also increasingly predominantly Asian (therefore Chinese), and such a trend will become more exaggerated for decades to come (by just merely analyzing the performance of the top 0.1% of the U.S.’s STEM students from the primary-school level all the way to the PUTNAM exams and through the graduate level).

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2020/
    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2021/
    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2022/

    And this is despite the anti-Asian bias, as in, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/science/asian-scientists-nsf-funding.html. One simple consequence of such a culture of anti-Asian bias is that various Chinese-Americans have returned to the PRC, thus bringing their inventions to the PRC, including the popular case of Gary Yang (https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium – note the hesitance of the author in fairly crediting Gary Yang).

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  170. @JR Foley

    Fifty years of Rupert Murdochism.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  171. @Stephan Larose

    ‘De-coupling’ is only intended to be a precursor to Thanatopolis DC’s REAL strength-military aggression and genocide. You can’t teach a rabid dog new tricks.

  172. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    It was hilarious seeing Blinken put our Sapphic Foreign Miniature, and the Greasy regime, in their place over Assange. The utter contempt, part Talmudic, all American, for the loyalest toady regime of them all, was palpable. Total, abject, obedience, enthusiastic complicity in genocides in Korea, Indochina and Iraq, slobbering enthusiasm to attack China, tens of billions, to become hundreds of billions, of tribute to the Empire for military arms and nuclear subs, an economy wide open to US control etc, etc, buys us NO influence at all. And the groveling, brain-dead, bogans lap it up, being the global bully-in-chief’s pet running-dog being a position they devoutly covet.

  173. skrik says:
    @JR Foley

    intelligent voters fall from Gough Whitlam

    They didn’t ‘fall,’ they were viciously booted. Even before they were booted, they were corrupted = brainwashed by the corrupt&venal MSM+PFBC [=publicly financed broadcaster]. After that, the politicians decided either to ‘toe the CIA line’ or actually turn to being volunteer traitors. The upshot is exactly disasters like Morrison and in general, all politicians appear to have totally abandoned honestly representing us, we the people. [Aside #1: This means that we the people can never vote our way out of the utter political disaster we have been trapped in since 11Nov’75 = CIA coup day.]

    A piece of proof: Mark Latham was Gough’s protégé and was being very effective in parliament, taunting the then govt. = traitorous Liberals. Lord Downer of Bagdad kept shouting, “Get a briefing!” – Which one day Latham was ‘forced’ to do, having just been elected leader of the Labor opposition.

    The briefing, which comes from the ‘secret services’ cabal = CIA via the local equivalent, nearly killed Latham on the spot [due to the CIA threats, one surmises on the evidenced results] and after a ½-hour or so recovery, Latham gave a presser with a US flag [spit, spit] in the background. Latham looked visibly ill and never properly recovered; he was a destroyed man. [Aside #2: This means that Gough had been intimidated into total silence and therefore was unable to warn Latham. Explains a lot.]

    There were other traitors, of note namely one Sydney spiv in a suit who forced Australia onto erring ideology = neoliberalism, thus eventually stuffing-up the good life ‘down under.’ rgds

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  174. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump was very popular in India, yes.
    I doubt he being a money maker and businessman or being rich is what makes him popular. He is perceived as a masculine leader who speaks his mind unlike cunning pussy politicians. In India there was a politician known as Bal Thakarey and he was popular for his blunt outspokenness.

  175. Malla says:
    @Showmethereal

    Unless Malla thinks you are Muslim or Chinese he will behave sheepishly toward you.

    More nonsense by a nutter whose head is permanently stuck in his ass.

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  176. @ChineseSTEM

    Thanks for your friendly remarks.

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  177. The plan could backfire if China develops its own equipment for manufacturing microchips. Physics is the hurdle, not money.

    Japanese and South Korean companies similarly desire homegrown alternatives to extreme ultraviolet or EUV lithography systems supplied by ASML of the Netherlands.

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  178. @Looger

    I would love for you to elaborate on what transpired in those 2 Amazon buildings. Sounds like a real hoot of a read for the audience here. I’m sure you have very interesting stories to tell.

    Regards;

    Your Friendly Neighborhood Anon

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  179. @mulga mumblebrain

    I noticed I have a small book by Charles Barrett F.R.Z.S. with the title Australian Nature Wonders (1944), not wonderous, calls the dingo the warrigul but doesn’t mention the wombat.

    The author dedicates his book “To My Young Friend Rupert Keith Murdoch”.

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  180. 1. China imports very few vital goods from America.

    2. America has very few goods that are not available to China from elsewhere; hydrocarbon fuels, for example, are available in Venezuela, Russia and Iran also.

    3. The American IPR, patents and copyrights on high tech are overrated; China can steal; or simply ignore the IPR and go ahead with production; on the other hand, without Chinese manufacturing, American IPR are not worth anything – America lacks the capacity to manufacture them in large quantities. If China takes Taiwan, the situation will be even worse.

    4. China is effectively selling its wares to America in return for promissory notes; those promissory notes are worth nothing if America defaults, or goes poor, or both.

    5. The importance of American market to China is overrated; what do Chinese get in return? Just promissory notes worth nothing; that is, China is basically exporting goods to America for free. If this American market is closed to China, China can sell the same goods at reduced prices in its local market or to BRICS; America may buy a Chinese product at a higher price, but pays in promissory notes, whereas Russia or Africa may pay less, but they pay in raw material. Selling something intended for the export market to Chinese domestic market may fetch less price, but it is received in Yuans that can be used immediately, not in bogus American promissory notes.

    In short, China can survive without America, but not vice versa.

    Decoupling? Go ahead and see what happens.

    In the ultimate analysis, trade between two currency zones boils down to barter.

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  181. @Malla

    If we take India out of reckoning, then China towers over the rest of the world in all aspects; India challenges China in only one – population. Does China love another billion+ country?

  182. Looger says:
    @Curry Ginger Vinegar

    “I would love for you to elaborate on what transpired in those 2 Amazon buildings.”

    [MORE]

    There are two basic design formats for buildings in NA, Intelligrated (Honeywell) and Dematic (Germany). Everything is automated, not unlike mail sorting or airport baggage handling. There are two main contractors in NA in addition to the blue-badge Amazon maintenance, which runs about 5% or 10% of the buildings. JLL is the main one, CBRE is there also.

    The main thing anyone worries about, Amazon or Maintenance, is Metrics. The metrics get better when the machines do what they’re supposed to do. When Amazon managers take all our time re-jigging the pack stations, fixing carts etc. then things break down. When the Amazon managers get wayyy too uppitty, then the building ceases to function properly. That is about 50% of buildings. They get passed back and forth between the contractors who get ‘fired’ for not doing their jobs.

    There’s about 5 maintenance people per 500 or 1000 Amazon workers, so it’s easy for us to get overwhelmed with their BS. I was in a building, Baltimore for training for 2 weeks – there was garbage and spilled product all over the floor which was never cleaned up. Address labels were everywhere, so we weren’t allowed to take pictures. JLL lost that building a couple months later but it was the Amazon workers who had trashed the place. Actually was good training as we didn’t have working SLAM lines and had to scrape them together from pieces left everywhere.

    I was a control systems tech, CST, one of us per shift as we had “the laptop” which could go online with the PLC and quickly diagnose problems. Three mechanics and one manager is a shift. When the whole plant shuts down and 500+ people are standing around, it’s all my show – I have 15 minutes to get it going again before Honeywell is brought in to take over. This is a “Severity 2” or “Sev 2” as in Defcon countdowns. Sev 1 is a building problem. Amazon also farms out the building services and usually also the building ownership – everything is leased or rented and can be downsized quickly.

    When you have a “good” building it picks up the slack from the “bad” buildings, which are ruined by diversity hiring and managers at 70-80 IQ who all have “great ideas.”

    JLL is mostly, in the USA, former military. They are serious and form their own separate network to help each other out in Chime chat rooms and videos uploaded. MKE1 is the SLAM (scan label apply manifest) braintrust which trains the rest of us. Leader there is former Navy and his classes begin at 5 AM. Yes 5 AM.

    YYC1 ran great for awhile as the Amazon managers were physically afraid of my JLL manager (also Indian). But eventually the rot sinks in. When I left there was an African DJ by trade, who almost runs the place now (Okie https://ca.linkedin.com/in/okey-alozie-pmp-68880a46 ). He was poisoning pregnant women by instructing them to use dangerous chemicals and not showing them PPE. This was on camera February 10 2020.

    In Edmonton it was another African who got me fired because I refused to certify hydrogen fuel cell forklifts, because it wasn’t my job and there’s a contractor on site for that already. Real idiot. https://ca.linkedin.com/in/kenan-mageto

    I was actually asked to do unsafe work three times there, by the SAFETY department!

    It was interesting and educational and I fixed a lot of problems that no one else could due to my oilfield experience. C’est la vie. We _were_ way ahead of the germ and chemical warfare divisions…

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  183. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    …what, exactly, is that “Global Alliance” and who are those “White Hats”….

    Found it. QAnon stuff.
    Dissapointing.

  184. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Before I stopped buying US stuff, I had already for a decade stopped buying Australian products and services.

    What led up to it was during the East Timor independence vote in 2002. Australia was at the forefront busy demonising the Indonesians. Then I kept an open mind, maybe the Indonesians were guilty of some nefarious deeds?

    But once East Timor got its independence and had no one to protect it, Australia immediately swindled it out of it oil in the Timor Sea. It was then that I saw the hypocrisy of the Oz government and elites.

    Now whenever I am at a supermarket, if a product is marked Australian or USA, I won’t buy it.

    I am not doing it to punish the average guy on the street. But what good would it do if I continue to feed the monster?

  185. @Malla

    You proved my point once again

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  186. Derer says:

    The vicious “dog” will bark until the physical destruction is taken to his shores. The world knows by now, his preference of moving the destruction to far away places. The time has arrived for plebs to deal with the disloyal and self destructive politburo in Washington.

    Their boy Kissinger envisioned building strong China against the Soviets, when in fact opposite has happened – hilarious.

    Present morons now want to put toothpaste back into the tube. They are peeing against the wind.

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    , @Anonymous
  187. Derer says:
    @A123

    The only sensible response to these acts of CCP aggression is domestic Reindustrialization.

    Who is doing aggression? Are you in full control of your faculties?

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    , @mulga mumblebrain
  188. @Derer

    Their boy Kissinger envisioned building strong China against the Soviets, when in fact opposite has happened

    Of the centuries of Anglo/European colonial regimes, there have been many entities that such regimes have sided with, if only temporarily, with intentions of turning such entities against other competitors, the entities with which include the many Native American entities of America who were betrayed, the many South Asian entities including those of the Indian subcontinent, those that are Arabic, African, and so on (they would number in the hundreds to 1,000+). However, none have demonstrated the capability to grow as dramatically as the PRC – the fact that the “Asian” economic miracle only involved East-Asian entities would provide a hint.

    The PRC’s dominance today is not due to the likes of Kissinger, but due to realities that are considered to be so controversial in the mainstream that proportions of economists do not even discuss such openly despite the relative quantitative rigor that had backed such realities.

    A proportion of Indians seem to believe that the previous publically demonstrated romance with Washington will usher a new era of exaggerated growth in the same way that East-Asia had experienced such in the past decades (East-Asia, that is, not merely limited to the PRC alone, but Chinese Taipei, South Korea, Singapore), and it will be interesting no doubt to see which predictions come true and whether certain theoretical frameworks will continue to add to their rates of predictive successes.

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  189. To be sure, East-Asia does not include Singapore, rather, I may have a tendency of identifying Singapore as an “East-Asian entity” on occasion for obvious reasons. It is quite interesting to see how certain SEA commentators, on certain online forums and platforms, demonstrate such pride in being “glued” in with Singapore while, on the other hand, juggling the amount of Sinophibia that may come out at any moment depending on the context (https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/esports-filipino-player-banned-from-chinese-dota-2-tournament-over-alleged-racism).

    Fortunately for Asia, the PRC demonstrates to be incredibly benevolent, a statement which will enrage many Sinophobes as they yet again impotently fantasize over lynching Chinese demographics in their own countries.

    Note, the Philippines came in dead last in the 2018 PISA tests, whereas the PRC came in first. Fascinating videos below (comments included),

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAlzWYkuacs
    Philippines number 1:

    The Philippines also has the highest rate of teen pregnancies in SEA + EA. I believe psychometricians have noticed once upon a time some non-trivial correlation between rates of teen pregnancies and low mean average something something.

  190. But, ultimately, there are quite a few candidates today. Washington is not merely looking to turn the Republic of India against the PRC, but the Philippines as well, akin to the philosophies of Kissinger once upon a time – the good ol’ divide and conquer. I must admit however that the demonstrated romance between India and the U.S. was very entertaining and interesting to watch. Modi was even compared to a rockstar by Mayonnaise Albo.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
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  191. Anonymous[911] • Disclaimer says:
    @Derer

    The vicious “dog” will bark until the physical destruction is taken to his shores.

    That will come at some point. They either course-correct, or they keep trying to enslave humanity and they are destroyed utterly.

    But as they see their own annihilation, the Empire will rally ordinary people to join their armies and they will place immense walls of American and European corpses between themselves and judgement.

    Who needs wisdom when the peoples of Europe and North America will sacrifice themselves by the tens of millions to fight for these Rulers of the Universe?

    This applies even in a civil war scenario: There are still so many fools out there who buy into the rulers’ bullshit, who will slaughter their own kind upon command.

  192. @Old Brown Fool

    The USA only dominates in aggression and violence, and sanctimonious and utterly hypocritical moral vanity.

    • Agree: A B Coreopsis
  193. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    My friend-the FIEND. If you travel in India, you see dingos, but they are locals. And, in South India, you see a lot of blackfella faces, on locals, and tribal peoples in particular. It’s seems plain where the blackfellas came from. How some of their DNA ended up in Brazil, and other parts of South America, really boggles the mind. A lot of ‘walkabout’, there.

  194. @skrik

    The USA has an unrivalled record of interference in the affairs of other nations through coups, assassination, blackmail, subversion, invasion, sanctions, MSM vilification etc. No other country comes near it, yet the vermin who comprise Austfailian ‘elites’, would crawl across broken glass to lick the children’s brains off the Yankee jackboots. Austfailia has a whole WORLD of bad karma coming for it.

    • Agree: ChineseSTEM
  195. @Amerimutt Golems

    Correct. China is self sufficient in the necessary tech in the process down to 28nm. It is almost there to 14 nm. It can produce 7nm but with a lot of foreign equipment. Like you said – it’s physics. The government is instructing all companies in the supply chain to work together to achieve breakthroughs. That’s how the whole semiconductor supply chain works. Tools companies like Lam and software companies like Cadence work with lithography companies like ASML and the manufacturers like TSMC and Samsung all along the supply chain together. The US is betting that Chinese companies can’t do it together. We shall see.

    Oh and Nikon and Canon were once the tops In lithography in the same way Japan once produced the most semiconductors. The US put the quash on Japans industry for selling to the Soviets and “patent infringement”. Loyal (or cowed) Japan has never sought to get back to such heights again. And in developing the EUV systems US money went into working with the European companies and basically shit Nikon and Cannon out. Hence they fell behind. China is much much bigger than Japan though so cant be bullied the same. I only wonder when we will see China and Russia working together on parts of the supply chain. Lots of physicists in Russia too

  196. The US is betting that Chinese companies can’t do it together. We shall see.

    One interesting example which may sometimes be found cited is the aerospace ecosystems of the PRC, one that is so sufficiently robust that it may be recognized to be comparable, to an extent, to that of the ISS, yet, the ISS requires collaboration between many entities of various different countries, that, as it stands today, it would be impossible for any single country to pursue their own space station with the exception of the PRC, and such was the case some two decades ago (no doubt the situation will continue to transform moving forward with obvious candidates as in the Russian Federation and the United States – the main contributors to the former ISS).

    However, once the decision was made, the PRC had succeeded in independently recovering all the necessary aspects sufficiently so as to allow the commencement of its space programs as associated with its space station – all due to the primitive caste obsessions of those of Anglo cultures barring the participation of the PRC. As a result of these developed aerospace ecosystems, the PRC had thus eclipsed the United States in many advanced areas as in the area of hypersonic maneuverable vehicles.

    Today, various commentators would like to convince themselves that the EUV lithography machines of ASML due to principle inventors such as Anthony Yen are the “most sophisticated machines” of the human species (well then, they are insisting that Chinese persons had invented the most sophisticated inventions of the human species) – perhaps someone had coached, or warned, these very same persons of the many industries and bottlenecks that the PRC had resolved entirely independently, and that these very same persons are merely inhaling copious amounts of copium by fantasizing over the PRC’s supposed inability to pursue these conventional, or unconventional, efficient mass production processes despite the ethnically-Chinese pioneers of the relevant subfields.

    Anthony Yen today is the vice president of ASML and the head of R&D. He is also an IEEE fellow (https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECE/Alums/OECE/2018/anthony-yen).

    Indeed, whether it was the sophisticated STEM ecosystems regarding large-scale mathematical simulations, the intensive wind-tunnel ecosystems, the material sciences foundations, and so on and on, these have all been resolved so as to allow the PRC to independently pursue its own space station. A lot of people are no doubt interested and are looking to see how quickly the PRC can resolve these issues in relevant areas related to the efficient mass manufacturing of “sub-7nm” semiconductors (one must acknowledge the ambiguities associated with “sub-7nm” here). The inventions are already demonstrated, publically, to be fully understood concerning every little technical detail on the part of various Chinese entities (see Huawei’s EUV lithography tools patents, https://www.techspot.com/news/97072-huawei-patents-euv-lithography-tools-used-make-10nm.html), and it has not even been a few years since the U.S.’s announcement of their chip wars.

    Lots of physicists in Russia too

    Russia had consistently done very well in the International Mathematics Olympiad despite its less-than-ideal mean-average performance. It would seem that the tail-ends of Russia continue to do extremely well, and, fortunately, there are many fantastic mathematics programs at institutions such as Moscow State University that will assist in the cultivation of these potential STEM human capital. Incidentally, Russian STEM human capital was so high in quality that, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of these Slavic STEM human capital had displaced their American counterparts in the immigration waves that had resulted – a known phenomenon in academia (see the interesting descriptions as provided by https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8160722/RWP12-004-Borjas.pdf).

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  197. Some interesting excerpts from: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8160722/RWP12-004-Borjas.pdf

    Our empirical analysis demonstrates that the American mathematicians whose research programs most overlapped with that of the Soviets experienced a reduction in productivity after the entry of Soviet émigrés into the U.S. mathematics market. This effect is observed at both tails of the quality distribution of mathematicians. First, the likelihood of a competing mathematician producing a “home run” paper fell significantly. Similarly, marginal mathematicians became much more likely to move to lower-­‐quality institutions and to exit knowledge production altogether. We also find evidence that the students of the Soviet émigrés had higher lifetime productivity than other students from the same institution who had non-­‐émigré advisors. However, this gain was more than offset by the productivity loss suffered by students who had American advisors with Soviet-­‐like research programs.

    American scientists say they have benefited immensely from the [recent] Soviet visitors… Persi Diaconis, a mathematician at Harvard, said: ‘It’s been fantastic. You just have a totally fresh set of insights and results.’ Dr. Diaconis said he recently asked [Soviet mathematician] Dr. Reshetikhin for help with a problem that had stumped him for 20 years. ‘I had asked everyone in America who had any chance of knowing’ how to solve a problem… No one could help. But… Soviet scientists had done a lot of work on such problems. ‘It was a whole new world I had access to,’ Dr. Diaconis said. ‘Together, we’ll be able to solve the problem.

    Inevitably, the American mathematical community also experienced increased competition in hiring.10 The American Mathematical Society’s 1991-­‐1992 Academic Hiring Survey reports that: “Citizens of Eastern European countries and the former Soviet Union accounted for 13% of all newly-­‐hired faculty and 15% of the tenured and tenure-­‐eligible new hires” (McClure 1992, p. 311). The report also identifies “increased numbers of highly qualified recent U.S. immigrants seeking employment in academia” as a leading cause of the unprecedented 12 percent unemployment rate of new American mathematics Ph.Ds. in 1991 (McClure 1992, p.312).

    Both before and after the collapse of the Soviet Union, most American mathematicians exhibit “home bias,” preferring to cite results in other American papers. Considering that the total number of American papers was only three times that of the Soviet Union, this home bias is extreme. Nevertheless, there is a substantial increase in the number of citations to Soviet papers after 1990. In fact, the share of American citations to Soviet research approximately tripled.

    etc.

    Incidentally, as one quick example, although my mathematical library consists of a disproportionate number of Jewish authors, institution-wise, a disproportionate number of authors are affiliated with Moscow State University. Although, to be sure, such has something to do with the biased interests in certain mathematical subfields that have greater Russian influences concerning mathematical expositions (mathematical analysis). Yet, one should remain someone realistic regarding the technology of the Russian Federation today, since even if strengths were retained in the lower-level subfields, or, the “fundamental subfields”, such does not necessarily always translate smoothly to the higher-levels (lower-level and higher-level as in, consider the analogy with lower-level programming languages as distinguished from higher-level programming languages).

  198. @ChineseSTEM

    “…but due to realities that are considered to be so controversial in the mainstream that proportions of economists do not even discuss such openly despite the relative quantitative rigor that had backed such realities.”

    If what I think you’re typing here is what it is. Then outside of E. Asia (including Vietnam & Singapore) the only other “Asian” economies that can be industrial and successful seem to be Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Kazakhstan, & maybe Uzbekistan. That seems like a very bleak future for the “Asian century”. Unless if we rename it to the “Oriental century plus extra side kicks” which seems more accurate but perhaps not the best use of diplomatic language.

    Which means if Europeans actually got their heads out of their asses (they won’t) and started working with each other from all of Europe (yes which also means Russia), North & South America + Austfailia they could still do a decent recovery and try to regain some of their lost dominance in the 2070s.

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  199. @ChineseSTEM

    Realistically India future lies in Asia. Whether the Brahmin elite realize it or not is the real question. Being envious of China isn’t going to improve their economy. Funny thing is India is in the perfect location to benefit from Asian and African integration. Imagine pipelines going Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc. through Pakistan, India, and directly to Bangladesh, China, & others. As well as resources going from Kazakhstan to Afghanistan to India then to Bangladesh and the rest of S.E.A. Helping secure Indian ocean trade routes from the horn of Africa to the Malacca strait. India could collect very profitable, lucrative, and reliable revenue streams just from some of these things.

    I mean one would think India & China would make natural allies. You having large Buddhist populations and similar family structure. It will be interesting to see where India, China, USA, Russia, Iran, Brazil, Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Thailand & Vietnam end up in 2050. My guess is that the USA, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, & the Congo will probably break apart into 2 or more countries by then.

  200. Anonymous[686] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChineseSTEM

    Russia had consistently done very well in the International Mathematics Olympiad despite its less-than-ideal mean-average performance. It would seem that the tail-ends of Russia continue to do extremely well

    Good that you brought up tail-ends, and by extension the performance bell-curves, as it were.

    I have observed that China, in particular, does not especially emphasize the performance of its most elite and high-flying STEM personnel, at least not at the expense of neglecting the over-all quality of their entire workforce. This is in contrast to the pattern seen in most other societies, to include the West, Japan, South Korea, and even many developing nations with strong STEM (say Turkey, Iran, India, Brazil, and even Russia).

    Once the whole of the STEM force, in their many tens of millions (counting only masters and higher degree holders) or indeed far more (if counting also college grads, associates and technical personnel) are given high quality training, then and only then are extra funds directed to the superstars, the best scientists and engineers.

    Some would say that China does not spend their resources efficiently, raising the quality of their whole workforce and concurrently not concentrating resources on their “smart fraction”. The thinking goes that the smart fraction (the tail-ends of the bell curve), in any society, do the real work, and drag the rest along with them. For example, India clearly favors their smartest fraction far, far more than the vast mass of their workers.

    China seems to have inverted this thinking, in favor of a MASS approach – continuously upgrading the whole, only devoting excess funds (once the best facilities and teachers have already been provided to everybody) to their smart fraction.

    This seems to result, in the short term, in fewer headline grabbing breakthroughs from China (less special emphasis on the their star performers).

    BUT in the long term, the effect is that once Chinese science and technology has developed, the scale, pace, breadth and depth become absolutely overwhelming (finally, enormous funding available to the brilliant/genius class of scientists and engineers – all supported by a huge bedrock substrate of excellent STEM grad personnel, in turn supported by first class field technicians on the factory floors and labs.)

    In essence, China has once again played the long game. And continues to do so.

    Seeming laggards in the theoretical sciences and even core technologies (for decades), favoring at first practical applications while building up the capacity (at first merely basic, followed by increasingly advanced quality, but embodied in a STEM workforce of titanic scale) for a sustained, very long term advance across the board in science, tech and industry, to include pure science and engineering breakthroughs, as the Chinese scientific-technological-industrial machine matures and gets into gear.

    In fact, it seems China has not quite yet begun to implement its long-term strategic plan, but we are already seeing some very impressive feats from them, many even independent of outside input.

    Do I have the gist of it, as regards the institutional and organizational philosophy and practice, of China’s STEM culture?

    What do you think were/are the possible positives and negatives of the educational and resource/funding approach in China?

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  201. A123 says: • Website
    @Derer

    The CCP has been on offense for years. (1)

    ‘A Ticking Time Bomb’: China Infects American Infrastructure With Malware To Disrupt U.S. Military

    U.S. officials are aggressively searching for malware that they say hackers from China have implanted into American infrastructure to disrupt U.S. military operations in the event that the communist nation launches an attack on Taiwan.

    Officials said that the malicious computer code, which penetrated U.S. systems well over a year ago but was only detected by Microsoft in May, was especially troubling because its purpose was not traditional spying, i.e., information gathering. Microsoft and the U.S. government both said the malware came from China.

    The malware was hidden “deep inside the networks controlling power grids, communications systems and water supplies that feed military bases in the United States and around the world,”

    Are you in full control of your faculties?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2023/07/a-ticking-time-bomb-china-infects.html

  202. Anonymous[686] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curry Ginger Vinegar

    I mean one would think India & China would make natural allies. You having large Buddhist populations

    Define “large” in reference to the Buddhists of India and China.

    Only 0.7% of Indians are Buddhists, and in China 10% practice some Buddhism (but are not Buddhists per se, since religious Chinese, in the minority, feel free to practice Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Confucianism and Islam as well).

    Neither people identifies with Buddhism. Indians are Hindus, and the actual Chinese soul is Daoist, and has been forever – literally since the dawn of history.

    In China, absolutely no one places religion anywhere near the centrality of nation (actually tribe/race) – that is literally the cosmic identity of China; and while in India religion IS nation, that religion is Hinduism, emphatically not Buddhism.

  203. @Curry Ginger Vinegar

    the only other “Asian” economies that can be industrial and successful seem to be Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Kazakhstan, & maybe Uzbekistan.

    This is no doubt quite the difficult statement as, as far as I understand it, the economies of these regions suffer from serious imperfections in STEM relative to their East-Asia counterparts. However, an exception can be made for Iran, as, despite the extensive sanctions, Iran had experienced such exaggerated growth in its scientific ecosystems that, proportionately, Iran had experienced more growth in STEM than even China itself. Tail-ends of Iran consistently demonstrate fascinating performances despite problematic environmental conditions, and one cannot help but bring up here that the first female Fields Medlaist was a Persian woman (of course, it requires that she had practically become Iranian-“American” first – otherwise, politics and mathematical cultural isolation would mean that she could never be nominated for the Fields Medal). Indeed, many Iranian scientists and engineers are not underestimated but are taken very seriously by their rivals (see unfortunate Israeli-Iranian tensions and allegations of assassinations of Iranian STEM human capital).

    One can acknowledge an interesting phenomenon of a certain Persian demographic in India that had traditionally served the role of the so-called “middle-man minority”, in the same way that Jewish and Chinese demographics have occupied such roles throughout the world, along with various others. They are known as the Parsis, and there are some unrigorous suggestions floating around that suggest that the Parsis have higher mean-average general intelligence than the Indian national average.

    Historically, many commentators have made many predictions regarding the economic potential of many regions. For example, regarding Egypt, the fact that Egypt would control the Suez Canal was considered to be a major asset, yet, as was consistent, the psychometricians seemed to have achieved better predictive success – from the perspective of the psychometricians who are interested in economics, the mean-average general intelligence might hold heavier weight than geographical advantages. Such a reality does not merely apply to Egypt but to many countries throughout the world including the many countries of Sub-Saharan Africa that are incredibly rich, proportionately, in natural resources.

    Which means if Europeans actually got their heads out of their asses (they won’t) and started working with each other from all of Europe (yes which also means Russia), North & South America + Austfailia

    Indeed, the ISS was a project that resulted in collaboration with significant input from the Russian Federation. Yet, at this point, Australia might as well be Chinese in their STEM. Despite the embarrassed sleazy slimebag weasels in Aussie academia who might try to hide reality, they overwhelmingly rely on Chinese STEM and are taking from Chinese STEM at every level, from the graduate level all the way to the professional level, and also at the secondary-school level (https://education.nsw.gov.au/content/dam/main-education/en/home/news/latest-news/tony-equates-success-with-support/image/220720_gold_medal_maths.jpg.thumb.1280.1280.png).

    One recommendation is to suggest that, instead of looking to regain “dominance” which might cause one to seek all sorts of bizarre paranoid strategies as Washington is doing now, one can acknowledge, with humility, that certain demographics do better in STEM, and that humanity can benefit off the fruits of additional STEM progress as a consequence of STEM-oriented demographics pursuing STEM. If certain demographics intend to do better in STEM, instead of suppressing others, they can, for instance, learn from others (such was the case with the Chinese demographics historically, as a result, today, the Chinese demographic boasts the greatest number of persons who are academically literate in the greatest diversity of languages).

  204. @Curry Ginger Vinegar

    I mean one would think India & China would make natural allies.

    It is interesting to observe that many intelligent and well-educated prominent Indian-Singaporeans have demonstrated frustration over the direction taken by India in recent times. Such would include the popular Kishore Mahbubani, a Sinophilic Indian-Singaporean who had authored books such as Has China Won?, Kishore himself being the former President of the United Nations Security Council and the former Singapore Permanent Representative to the United Nations.

    I would like to suggest that, unfortunately, for demographics that are not as well-educated in the aggregate, and possibly as sober-minded in the aggregate, as rational in the aggregate (which correlates with low mean-average general intelligence, here, one identifies lack of sober-mindedness with impulsivity, a measured dimension in psychometrics), these demographics can be more easily exploited and whipped into a frenzy by malicious actors – that is, the U.S. is able to whip proportions of Indian demographics, Filipino demographics, and so on and on, into a Sinophobic frenzy, as was the case historically with Greater Western Chinese demographics (i.e., Xinjiang and Tibet). However, regarding the Greater Western Chinese demographics, since these demographics fall within the sovereignty of the PRC, the PRC had resolved all these issues (looks like France is looking to learn from China via Islamic “de-radicalization programs” – think of how god damned stupid and uneducated one has to be so as to commit acts of terrorism believing virgins will be waiting in heaven after death – there are many intelligent Muslims of course, including the many Persian-Muslims who at times appear more Persian than Muslim).

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  205. @Anonymous

    This seems to result, in the short term, in fewer headline grabbing breakthroughs from China (less special emphasis on the their star performers).

    This is more of an issue to do with the Iron Curtain that exists today in Western media, akin to that during the Soviet Union period where Americans would be unaware of certain mathematical and scientific developments in the Soviet Union while trailing decades behind in certain subfields. I can yet again cite here that, according to Nature, the PRC had overtaken the U.S. in terms of producing the greatest quantity of Nature’s definition of high-quality papers. Or, that the PRC dominates the U.S. and the world in a number of technological subfields in terms of the quantity of high-impact papers,

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01705-7

    Note that the following statement from the above article,

    She adds, however, that it still “significantly trails” behind other nations “in its capacity to absorb and apply knowledge”, and that the impact of the decline in its research collaborations with some major countries, such as the United States, remains uncertain.

    That the statement is erroneous. Indeed, the PRC’s capacity to absorb and apply knowledge is exactly why it remains so intensely dominant in the manufacturing sector.

    https://techblog.comsoc.org/2023/03/03/aspis-critical-technology-tracker-finds-china-ahead-in-37-of-44-technologies-evaluated/

    Do I have the gist of it, as regards the institutional and organizational philosophy and practice, of China’s STEM culture?

    The PRC emphasizes every part of the “bell curve”. Although the mean average PRC student STEM performance is exceedingly high (higher than the tail-ends of most other demographics – see PISA mathematics rankings), the disparity with other non-Chinese demographics is even more exaggerated for the tail-ends. Indeed, the International Mathematics Olympiad is supposed to be traditionally so difficult that only the “tail-end prodigies” can realistically participate, yet, the tail-ends of China had attainted such overwhelming performance that they scored full marks in the 2022 IMO competition, a feat that is supposed to be unfeasible – apparently, for the Chinese Gen-Z tail-ends, what is supposed to be difficult for other tail-ends are considered to be too easy (as if they were the tail-ends of international tail-ends) – so much so that, there is a saying that it is more difficult to compete in China than it is internationally.

  206. See Egyptian, Asmaa Gaber, learning from her Chinese counterparts (her I.Q. was tested and was deemed sufficient),

  207. @ChineseSTEM

    Some say that in the changing global environment, the one trump card that the US has over any other country is its military. This is arguable.

    But the one thing that is rarely talked about, but IMHO cannot be disputed as its Bestest In the History Universe …. is its propaganda machine. It is so effective, that the average Westerner thinks that he is hearing the truth from his government and its “free press” MSM.

    It is such an effective and durable tool, that even in cases where the Western citizen finds out that their information sources have been lying to them on a certain issue, ….they still doggedly believe that very same info source on other issues.

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    , @ChineseSTEM
  208. @Curry Ginger Vinegar

    Realistically India future lies in Asia. Whether the Brahmin elite realize it or not is the real question. Being envious of China isn’t going to improve their economy.

    In my personal opinion, while envy may play a small part, I do not think it is the root cause of the India China troubles.

    Up till the 90s, China was not doing significantly better than India economically. In fact, India’s per capita GDP was higher than China’s till the mid 80s. So there was no element of envy involved at that time.

    The animosity between the Indian public and China started in days of the Cold War. There were geopolitical struggles in the region at the time. Not least was the CIA attempts to wrest Tibet from China. This would have caused catastrophic consequences for China’s military-strategic and as well as water resource security.

    I note that the CIA programs in Tibet happened in 1957 to 1969…..it did not happen when the Nationalists were still in power in China. Parallels can be drawn to the South China Sea issues, where the West supported the Nationalist claims on these islands.

    When the India-China border clashes erupted in 1967, the West seized upon the opportunity to forever sow discord between the two countries. Not least was the fanning of the anti-China sentiment through the Indian news media. The hostile attitude towards China can be traced back to then.

    China and India should be friends. The fact that they are not, I blame on the West.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  209. skrik says:
    @littlereddot

    its propaganda machine. It is such an effective and durable tool .. they {= the targets} still doggedly believe that very same info source on other issues

    Correct, even if damnable. The reason is hardly simple, but can be exactly summarised by just one, single word: *Bernays*.

    I wrote a looong comment recently; the best way to find it is to search my unz-comment-archive with this as input to the search: “pernicious propaganda” [including the quotes.]

    Here is a key extract:

    {2nd, *the* critical Bernays quote:

    The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society

    [italics/bolding mine] IMHO Bernays’ “must ..” is another outright and wicked lie – but it oh, so ‘conveniently’ provides a rationale for our tyrannical rulers and their corrupt&venal MSM+PFBCs [= publicly financed broadcasters] to transmit their viciously lying, psyop propaganda.}

    Back to the ‘here and now’ [nod to Huxley’s “Island”], I assume that the zusa propaganda is ‘scientifically’ developed, a) to appear as ‘innocuously innocent’ as possible [not always successful] and [of course], b) its main task is to convince targets to ‘accept’ – and internalise – utterly vicious lies.

    It hardly needs saying, but any agency [zusa deep state/neocons/MSM+PFCBs et al.] ‘catapulting’ such vicious propaganda is not worth the steam off our shit. The fact that the very same ‘crew’ are involved in murdering millions across the planet should earn them all a trip to the gallows. rgds

  210. *Bernays*.

    You sir, just hit the bulleye!

    You should put your views into a blog or something.

    I have been saying that if I had to nominate the most influential person of the 20th century, it would be Bernays.

    Recently I also found out something very interesting …. Bernays was married to the niece of Sigmund Freud. No wonder he had deep insights into the workings of the human mind. Too bad he used them for nefarious purposes.

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  211. @littlereddot

    It is such an effective and durable tool, that even in cases where the Western citizen finds out that their information sources have been lying to them on a certain issue, ….they still doggedly believe that very same info source on other issues.

    You have identified an issue in another thread pertaining to the inconsistent standards that the typical person of certain demographics of the U.S. applies when judging various news pieces – for those that lean Republican, news of European supremacist terrorist acts will be met with much greater skepticism, whereas, for many Sinophobic pieces, such will spread like wildfire despite a complete absence of any evidence. Although one may suggest that the U.S.’s propaganda machine is incredibly effective, it is clearly not so effective that the United States is able to achieve ideal political and social-cultural unity (more to come in the 3rd paragraph) – and in various stochastic models modeling, say, the spread of misinformation, the nodes themselves, being the actors, and their associated random variables, plays a non-trivial role (i.e., that, for certain information to reach certain nodes is to be completely annihilated – many South Aussies, for instance, will refuse to spread news regarding the disgusting pedophilia crisis in their savage shithole, but will spread rumors of Chinese takeovers of universities with little goading).

    I have noticed such an interesting phenomenon pertaining to the many WASP savages of Aussie land, where, all that is required is a whisper of a rumor of Chinese people eating babies and these backward aus savages will become frontline cheerleaders – a much larger proportion of other Aussie demographics, including the Asian-Australian demographic, will tend to demonstrate much greater skepticism and sober-mindedness. Notice the low-quality effort of Murdoch media in Australia. It doesn’t take much.

    Similarly, one can, depending on the perspective, “unfortunately”, identify the reality that ethnicity is one of the most useful predictors in the aggregate in certain contexts of local elections – such was noticed consistently in many regions of NYC where African-Americans are most likely to vote for African-American candidates in the aggregate, where Latino-Americans are most likely to vote for Latino-American candidates in the aggregate, and so on and on. Indeed, one can notice some European-supremacist driven commentators on unz.com, and, as long as there was a sufficient number of them where the law of large numbers can take effect to some extent, one can make money by betting that almost all of them are European in ethnicity, and likewise for those defending the PRC, and so on and on.

    As far as one can tell given how one could be informed by mathematical models, Sinophobia as exhibited by many demographics is principally due to the people themselves, in the aggregate. Bring in a Sinophilic politician and he/she will be lynched by the people (metaphorically speaking).

  212. skrik says:
    @littlereddot

    Too bad he used them for nefarious purposes

    A lot of his ‘tribe’ do things like that.

    A hundred years ago a new theory about human nature was put forth by Sigmund Freud. He had discovered he said, primitive and sexual and aggressive forces hidden deep inside the minds of all human beings. Forces which if not controlled led individuals and societies to chaos and destruction

    That’s another quote from my 800-word epic; Freud’s “forces which if not controlled” is of course BS, but is behind Bernays’ “intelligent manipulation” BS.

    I urge you to read the larger post, find it as I described above, or here. It may not open directly with comments, if so then you’ll have to click at the end to get comments to open, then search for “pernicious propaganda” – hope you can ‘enjoy’ it.

    Ah! I just checked my link – it works, and I see that you’ve already seen that post. Still a huge problem, whatever. rgds

  213. Informal mathematical jargon below:

    As an illustration, in an attempt to demonstrate Kolmogorov’s 0-1 law in applications, Klenke sets out to introduce the reader to percolation theory in his Probability Theory: A Comprehensive Course (for further developments, other texts and expositions will have to be sought after including those as cited by Klenke). An interesting, but rudimentary, mathematical model comes in the identification of a discrete graph, consisting of nodes and edges, where each edge of a discrete graph has some probability p of becoming annihilated (so that they no longer exist). In this way, the edges are described by random variables that are identically distributed. Given any arbitrary discrete graph of infinite cardinality, how would one determine the value p such that one can “guarantee” the existence of an infinite open cluster in the sense of the probability measure (probability measure of 1 – subtleties of “guarantee” not described here), or, that one can “guarantee” a subset of the discrete graph that also possess infinite cardinality. By an appropriate identification of a so-called “tail sigma-algebra”, for certain special cases, critical values of p may be identified, sometimes within certain approximate ranges, such that the existence of an infinite open cluster either has a probability of 1, or 0, in an application of Kolmogorov’s 0-1 law. As a result, for certain special cases, below some critical value, the probability of finding an infinite open cluster is 1, whereas, above some critical value, the probability of finding an infinite open cluster is 0 (in the special 1-dimensional case, if p was equal to 1, then the probability of finding an infinite open cluster is 0).

    Here, an infinite open cluster is a reasonable consideration as, up to a certain approximation, certain kinds of materials in the material sciences consist of so many nodes and edges that, for all intents and purposes in certain contexts, such models can attain reasonable agreements. Applications can be found in contexts where one is interested in the synthesis of appropriate solid bricks, of certain synthetic materials, that can allow the draining of fluids, say, so as to mitigate the severity of flooding – an abstract realization of an infinite open cluster is more than enough to conceive a molecular structure that allows fluid to reach from one side of the brick to another, whereas an abstract realization of a finite open cluster does not.

    Such a notion can be aptly applied to the social sciences as well, not just merely to voter models (many variations are available, and ultimately, data are to be gathered so as to provide more accurate sets of random variables – and masses of data are in fact gathered in the 2020’s due to the popularization of many mass social media platforms).

    The salient point here is thus the recognition of the importance of 0-1 laws in stochastic models, and how, ultimately, if 0-1 laws were to present themselves, it is the aggregate that provides the deterministic predictions in the aggregate – the people affect phenomena in the large whether such is felt on an individual basis or not. However, to be clear, such does not prevent the possibility of mass manipulation of the aggregate as many entities have attempted in recent times – that various options present themselves. We, therefore, provide a gateway to a potentially more rigorous study of various phenomena in the social sciences, as in the phenomenon of “scapegoating”. Although mass media may inflame the phenomenon of scapegoating, ultimately, it must demonstrate some level of compatibility with its audience – if the audience was Sinophobic, then to scapegoat the Chinese would be an apt choice.

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  214. @ChineseSTEM

    Continuing from the previous comment, one then cannot help but insist that the many great leaders of human history historically were only so because they were able to in part appeal to the aggregate desires of their audience. For the PRC, the demographics were Chinese and those that have been influenced by Chinese cultural romanticizations of notions of the Sino civilization, and thus, to hold on to narratives of Sino civilizational rejuvenation is appropriate. For the Nazi Germans, significant figures such as Adolf Hitler had identified the few key notes that had meshed incredibly well with his target audience – and yet, he was not always perfect in his narratives, but he learned, and he learned of the appeal of anti-semitism to German demographics in the aggregate during such a period. For Donald Trump, one will discover that his voter base does not present a uniform distribution of different ethnicities, of different socio-economical strata, and so on and on. His messages do not appear to be equally appealing to all demographics in the aggregate.

    Although it may be popular to suggest that the sovereign state, or wealthy aristocratic families (i.e., Rockefellers), are so incredibly powerful that they dominate demographical trends, such remains unclear to me, and at times, it can appear that the opposite is more realistic.

    For the Australian WASPs, the discovery of innate demographical/cultural Sinophobia was quite fascinating. Australian WASPs are not the only Sinophobic demographic on Earth, of course.

  215. @ChineseSTEM

    I must add as yet another explicit example, that despite the KMT’s initial massive momentum, they had, over time, lost a tremendous amount of Chinese persons to the CPC during the Chinese Civil War since, from the perspective of many Chinese, the KMT had not represented the heart of the Sino civilization, in the same way that the Qing Dynasty and the Manchurian ruling elites had not represented the Sino civilization, and ultimately the Chinese demographics, well. So, there were many defectors, and the KMT’s military strength was thus massively stunted – the various options offered by the aggregate were ultimately ignored by the KMT. The message from the Chinese demographics is clear however, post-modern Confucian interpretations of socialism with Chinese characteristics is a legitimate option (note that the Chinese population has the highest trust in its government of all countries today, where a post-modern Mandate of Heaven has thus implicitly returned, https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/).

    Yet, given the benevolence of the PRC, the last Chinese Emperor was given the opportunity to grow as a human being, and he had become among the most prolific pro-CPC advocate as a result (in other revolutions in other parts of the world, he would’ve been executed).

    Indeed, although economic development is a popular desire of human demographics in general, if economic development cannot be offered due to various reasons, many human demographics will tend to find scapegoating increasingly attractive, and, as a result, scapegoating is one of the most popular alternative options as offered historically by human demographics in general – if economic development will not be pursued, then at least opt for these alternatives, and many leaders had taken advantage of such. For Sinophobic demographics, their target scapegoat demographic is clear.

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

    The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.

    “We tend to forget that for many in China, and in their lived experience of the past four decades, each day was better than the next.”

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    “You, who now succeed to the throne, revere these warnings in your person. Think of them: sacred counsels of vast importance, admirable words forcibly set forth! The ways of Heaven are not invariable. On the good-doer it sends down all blessings, and on the evil-doer it sends down all miseries. Do you but be virtuous, be it in small things or in large, and the myriad regions will have cause for rejoicing. If you not be virtuous, be it in large things or in small, it will bring the ruin of your ancestral temple.” – Mandate of Heaven

  216. @ChineseSTEM

    I attended an elite private school in Austfailia, and noted an INTENSE hatred of China from early on. This was, in those days, anti-communism and residual hatred from the gold rush days, plus the innate Western hatred of the ‘lesser’ races.
    I made myself a figure of derision and aggression by wearing a Mao badge, and reading the fabulous ‘Red Star over China’. And you soon get to see the innate superiority of Western cultures in many, but not all, aspects. I was often invited to ‘defect’ to China, and often regret not doing so, although I do love my native land, if not, alas, much of its population.

    • Thanks: ChineseSTEM
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  217. @mulga mumblebrain

    There are still an amount of incredible Chinese-Australians who will grow up in Australia suffering while contributing massively and disproportionately to the many ungrateful chimpanzees of ausshit – many of these Chinese-Australians will unfortunately grow up suffering from a myriad of issues including mental health issues (note the mental health crisis in bogan zoo currently, among many other crises), and some will remain self-hating for some time. Hopefully, some of these Chinese-Australians can find refuge in a much more developed Sino civilization in the future, as can many young Chinese throughout the world.

    Incidentally, the innate Xenophobia of ausshit guarantees East-Asian unity (as is the case in other Anglo countries as well), which is quite ironic to say the least. There’s this Japanese-Aussie blogger who makes hilarious posts and is massively pro-PRC, but she’s sadly currently inactive (https://asianstraightshooter.com/).

    The blogger describing bogan zoo,

  218. Deadbeat says:

    The USA is going to lose this decoupling especially in the semi-conductor area with the advent of RISC-V. It’s open source and the foundation recently moved to Switzerland. This move alone saw its membership grow 1000 fold. The world wants to conduct business and it wants to do business with China.

  219. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @emerging majority

    They are one of the most repressive, restrictive and oppressive regimes on the planet.

    You must have drank too much western cool-aid. Somehow 95.5% of Chinese are satisfied with their repressive, restrictive and oppressive government, whereas 30%-40% of westerners are regularly satisfied with their free, open, and democratic regimes?? Something does not add up.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

    • Agree: ChineseSTEM
    • Replies: @emerging majority
  220. @Derer

    A123 is a Zionazi, so the derangement, racism, mendacity and reality inversion is taken for granted. The Chinese treat Jews as fellow human beings, not ‘Gods Upon the Earth’, and that is the worst form of ‘antisemitism’, hence the slavering hatred and rage.

  221. Geoffm says:

    This fucking Beijing shithole must be destroyed by every means possible

  222. @Geoffm

    How are you going to do it?

  223. @anon

    As I’m in full opposition to those “free, open and democratic regimes” in the Western nations, please do not even think that I contrast them to China’s similar authoritarianism. My point is that the Chinese “Social Credit” development serves as a template for similar centralized control mechanisms in the West which are ALREADY too massive and anti-human.

    Thus, my stance on China is that is further along the road to total state power in a post-CCP amalgam. Western nations suffer under the double-cross of central governance and corporate puissance.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  224. skrik says:
    @emerging majority

    Western nations suffer under the double-cross of central governance and corporate puissance

    Not just; you may find this informative:

    https://sonar21.com/why-is-the-west-so-weak-and-russia-so-strong-the-role-of-human-capital-and-western-education/

    As a not so BTW, ‘the West’ as a whole and every individual therein could well afford to STFU and leave Russia and China in peace.

    MYOB! [Decoded = Mind your own F’n business!]

    • Replies: @skrik
  225. skrik says:
    @skrik

    PS

    China’s similar authoritarianism

    Indicates the writer has swallowed the filthy, lying zusa propaganda.

    The so-called ‘free and democratic West’ showed its tyrannical cards latest via the mandating of experimental mRNA, a crime against humanity. Well past time to get real.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  226. @emerging majority

    I saw an interesting video about ‘Social Credit’. Bear in my that the Chinese have a different, clearly superior, culture from that of the West.
    A Social Credit ‘scorer’ for want of a better term, goes around asking people in a neighbourhood, who are the local good citizens, who helps others, who does their work diligently etc. And who is a shit, or lazy, or a bad debtor etc. She writes it down in long-hand in a book, and it gets tabulated in a local registry. If you get below a certain score, particular benefits are withheld, for example you may have to catch a slow bus rather than a fast train.
    Once you have a bad score, you can buy your way out with cash, that goes to charity, or by good deeds. It’s like a rather firm ‘nudge’ system, and, after a generation or two, would, I imagine, see less petty arse-holery and more socially beneficial activity. It works in China which still has a society, but in the West? Way too late.

  227. @Geoffm

    Good luck, Big Mouth. Bags you’re first off the landing-craft, if any make it ashore. Or you could do a Major Kong and hop on one of them Haitch-berms, and ride to Glory! Not missing you already!

  228. Malla says:
    @Showmethereal

    Don’t drag me down to your level.

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