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Everything we were originally told about the Coronavirus has turned out to be wrong. In fact, it’s not a “novel” one-of-a-kind infection at all, but a member of a larger family of which there have been many iterations in the recent past. It’s also not the most contagious or most lethal virus we’ve ever seen, but a fairly-mild infection that has no impact on the majority of people and that only kills somewhere between 1 in every 200 to 1 in every 1,000 people. (CDC-IFR- 0.26%) Also, there was no real danger that our public health system was going to collapse, because the projected number of potential deaths (1 to 2 million in the US) never approached the estimates of the flawed computer models that were used to decide the policy. In short, just about everything we were told from the very beginning turned out to be demonstrably wrong. Why is that? Why do you think that the people who provided us with the information –many of them supposedly “experts” in their field– were so wrong about everything? And why haven’t they made any effort to publicly correct their mistakes when they realize how much confusion they’ve caused?

It’s politics, right? What other explanation could there be? Our leaders and their behind-the-scenes puppet-masters are using science as a vehicle for achieving their own narrow political objectives. In broader terms, COVID–19 or, should we say, CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019, is the plan to manipulate virus-hysteria “to drastically and irrevocably” change the “fundamental structure of society” to establish a totalitarian world order. (Quote: from CJ Hopkins) That’s what’s happening, and the Democrats, the media and the many infectious disease experts are playing key roles in this operation that’s bound to continue until its objectives are achieved.

But let’s forgo the political analysis for now and review what we actually know about the virus itself. This, of course, would not be necessary if the media had been doing its job by providing accurate information rather than fueling public hysteria. Sadly, the majority of people are just as misinformed now as they were 6 months ago when the outbreak began. How could that be if the media was actually doing its job? It couldn’t.

What we know for certain is that the doomsday scenarios never materialized. 2 million Americans did not die and the world did not come to an abrupt end. We also know that the computer model predictions from the Imperial College were bogus just as we know that the countries that ignored those absurd models did better than the others. As Nobel prize winner Michael Levitt points out in an article at Haaretz:

The same type of models predicted that in Sweden, the number of deaths from COVID-19 would reach about 100,000 by June, if the Swedish government continues to refuse to impose lockdown measures. Sweden rejected these models and bravely adopted… a democratic policy that broadly enabled normal life to continue. Despite the large nursing homes in Sweden...the number of deaths turned out to be 6% of the one predicted, about 6,000 people, at an average age of 81. Half of the victims were nursing home residents who, in Sweden, have a median life expectancy of 9 months after admission.” (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz)

Repeat: Sweden’s death toll turned out to be just 6% of the original estimate. By comparison, the US death toll (167,000) is not quite 10% of the original (Imperial College) estimate. Both estimates were catastrophically wrong, and yet, we shut down the economy, drove unemployment up to levels not seen since the Great Depression, and condemned the country to years of agonizing restructuring. And for what??

Well, to promote a ghastly, authoritarian political agenda, that’s why. And this just helps to underscore what Covid-19 is really all about. It’s politics masquerading as science.

The Haaretz article also sheds light on the issue of “herd immunity” which is routinely mischaracterized in the media as the point at which 60% (or more) of the population have been infected and therefore have developed antibodies to the virus. This is wrong, in fact, the threshold for herd immunity is much lower than that, perhaps 5 to 15% of the population.

But, how can that be, after all, we were told that this was an entirely new “novel” virus that our species had never before experienced and for which we had no built-up immunity?

That was another lie. Here’s Michael Levitt again:

“Widespread infection is not required for stopping the epidemic. The argument that 60% of the population must be infected and becomes immune before the infection spread is halted is based on an incorrect mathematical calculation….The most significant evidence – decidedly refuting the need for 60% infection rate – is pre-immunity. For example, COVID-19 has several relatives (other coronaviruses) to which the population had been exposed, and such prior exposure can provide immunity to a significant segment of the population. Back in April, two of us wrote an article about the postulated nature of this immunity and the statistical evidence that pointed to its existence. We noted that in several closed communities that underwent testing, the infection rate was always capped at 20%, which statistically aligns with maximal infection rate in these communities rather than recurring coincidences. About a month later, a group of researchers published corroborating evidence in Cell, one of the most prestigious journals in the life sciences. About 60% of people in California who had never been exposed to COVID-19, had immune memory cells that recognized the virus and are therefore likely to provide immunity.

Moreover, a study in Germany showed that such immunity could reach a level as high as 81% of the population. …This rate of pre-immunity to COVID-19 is also evident in the global rates of infection. The virus began infecting humans more than eight months ago, and the epidemic has already spread to most of the world. Yet in all countries, the infection rate remains below 20 percent of the general population. This limited rate of infection has remained unchanged regardless of social distancing measures (if any),such as quarantines, local or country-wide lockdown, mask-wearing, and so on. In Sweden, for example, the infection rate did not exceed 20% and the percentage of people who survived the epidemic exceeds 99.9% (!) of the population. Such is the case in Belgium as well, the country with the highest population mortality rate, where less than 20% were infected, and more than 99.9% of the population has survived the epidemic…The implications of these findings are of utmost importance. They call for immediate removal of most restrictions on the economy, immediate return to normal life of low-risk population while helping high-risk groups reduce the rate of social contacts.” (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz)

This is not some minor point. Our policy and the policies adopted by countries around the world are based on assumptions that are both unscientific and false. Do you really think the people responsible for implementing these policies don’t know the science or don’t know about “pre-immunity” or that that “prior exposure can provide immunity” or that ” the infection rate was always capped at 20% in all countries” (which means that only 1 in every 5 people will contract the infection regardless of their exposure.) or that in all cases and all countries “more than 99.9% of the population has survived the epidemic”?

Admit it, most readers don’t know anything about any of this because none of it has appeared in the MSM. Why is that? What malicious, evil forces are at work here? Why do our leaders and our media want to keep us in the dark about issues that are critical to our decision-making, critical to our livelihoods, and critical to our very survival? Why?

Again, do you really think our leaders and infectious disease experts– like the affable Anthony Fauci– are unaware of these facts? Do you think they have dismissed them as too trivial or too superficial to tell the public or do you think they are deliberately withholding any information that might mitigate the prevailing atmosphere of hysteria that is keeping the American people afraid, isolated and abjectly submissive to the manipulations of their paymasters?

That’s what you call a “no-brainer”. We have entered a period in which wealthy, globalist oligarchs are using fake science, amplified through their assets in the media and Democrat party, to fundamentally restructure society in a way that enhances their material interests while strengthening their grip on power. It’s as plain as the nose on your face.

And there’s more too, because censorship, manipulation and politics have real costs, and the costs can be calculated in terms of the lives that are lost due to the imposition of a ruthless and thoroughly-counterproductive policy: Lockdown. Here’s Levitt again:

“The third argument – removing restrictions will result in a higher mortality than a policy of lockdowns and restrictions – is also incorrect. A virus spreads in the population until enough people become infected and immune, or until a vaccine is found. Lockdowns and restrictions may only slow down its spread (“flatten the curve”) but they do not lower the total number of infections or overall mortality. If there is a risk of overwhelming hospitals, there might be a need to slow the spread of the infection. Otherwise, flattening the curve can only be harmful since the infection returns once the restrictions are removed. Moreover, efficient protection of high-risk groups is possible only for a limited period of time: The longer the time, the harder it is to prevent their exposure to the virus. Therefore, paradoxically, it is precisely lockdowns and restrictions that slow the building of herd immunity, which in turn is needed to stop the epidemic and protect high-risk groups. In the long run, such policy can lead to excessive mortality.” (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz)

In other words, lockdowns can postpone infections but cannot prevent them. A virus is going to do what a virus does. Period. Imposing lockdowns is as bound to fail as standing at the water’s edge and ordering the tide to stop coming in. It’s empty posturing that achieves nothing. As Levitt says, lockdowns are, in fact, a threat to older and vulnerable people because the longer they are in place, “the harder it is to prevent their exposure to the virus.” In short, the lockdowns actually kill the people they are supposed to save.

Do you think our leaders know this? Of course, they know it. Levitt is not the only scientist who’s able to think clearly and rationally. The others have merely shaped thier approach to the demands of their employers. Does the name “Bill Gates” ring a bell?

Here’s Levitt again:

“In Sweden…there is no “second wave” because there was no lockdown. Thus, the policy of imposing and easing restrictions only prolongs the crisis, destroys the economy, and eventually leads to a larger number of victims. It may even continue for years as long as a vaccine is not available. The alternative to lockdowns and restrictions must be seriously considered.” (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz)

Indeed, lockdowns cost lives, lockdowns cost money, and lockdowns are the wrong policy. Here’s Levitt one last time:

“It can be assumed that the handling of the COVID-19 crisis will be scrutinized – both in terms of health aspects, but also in light of public outrage over the state of the economy. So many people all over the world have lost their sources of income, livelihood, dignity and future. Poverty is a much more severe mortality risk factor than COVID-19, and it affects children as much as adults. One of the key questions that will surely be asked is whether the leadership in each country has ever seriously considered a worthy alternative to resolving the crisis, which will not cost so many human lives or destroy the economy. Countries such as Norway, Ireland, and Belgium have already declared that they will not impose further lockdowns as the obvious damage outweighs the doubtful benefit by a wide margin.” (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz)

By any measure, the United States is in worse condition than ever before. We have destroyed our economy, closed our schools, obliterated our small and medium-sized businesses, increased suicides, depression, domestic abuse, poverty, homelessness, alienation and destitution. The American people have been plunged into a strange world of persistent fear and relentless manipulation by scheming elites who are resolutely committed to remaking society from the ground-up. COVID-19 is merely the vehicle they have chosen to achieve their nefarious objectives.

Does Hydroxychloroquine work? You decide?
Does Hydroxychloroquine work? You decide?

Note–All excerpts taken from (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz) Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt”
https://www.dropbox.com/s/72hi9jfcqfct1n9/Haaretz-20Jul20_ENGLISH%2012082020%20v3.pdf

1– Prof. Udi Qimron is the (elected) Head of Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Faculty of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University
2– Dr. Uri Gavish is a Physicist, an expert in Algorithm Analysis and a Bio-medical consultant
3– Prof. (Emeritus) Eyal Shahar is an Epidemiologist, University of Arizona
4– Prof. Michael Levitt is a Nobel Prize-winning (Chemistry, 2013) Structural Biology professor, Stanford UniversityThe original article was published in Ha’aretz in Hebrew on July 20, 2020. The English text contains minor revisions.

 
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  1. This convinces me as an explanation of the whole crisis.

    • Agree: Emslander
  2. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    You have to hand it to them for their creativity. Previously it was usually war hysteria where some “rogue” nation was going to come get us. Saddam with his fearful WMD (hundred year old weapon of poison gas), Iranians, N Koreans and of course the Russians and Chinese. Terrorists were everywhere, just laying in wait. Fear is the always reliable tool to hammer the ever stupid public with. Now they hit on the terrifying killer virus, the Purple Death raining in on us from outer space. Mega-death is on it’s way, millions will die in agony, streets littered with unclaimed bodies, a sci-fi end of the world scenario. They’ve had people cringing in fear walking down the street with their snot-rags wrapped around their faces. It’s disgusting to see huge parts of the population reduced to so many scurrying mice. There’ll be third, fourth, endless “waves” as well as new “pandemics” coming. Flu season is only about five months away so we will of course have something else come down the pike, perhaps from Tajikistan or Azerbaijan or wherever.

  3. Liar. Or Idiot. Probly a little of both. Coronavirus is a random death sentence. I notice you don’t mention internal organ damage. Which takes a few years to kill you. But of course, your attention-span is so low, a few years might as well be a century to you.

    Increasingly, it is becoming apparent that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, infiltrates many organs in the body SILENTLY causing potentially life-threatening damage, even among asymptomatic individuals.

    In late January some whistleblowers described Covid-19 as akin to “airborne aids.” Covid-19 doesn’t replicate like HIV but it may down-regulate T cells effectively enough to avoid detection in colonized cells.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/report-heart-condition-possibly-linked-222452145.html

  4. One of the biggest stories exposing this virus hoax has come and gone and hardly anyone reported on it, that was the revelations of how the World Bank tried to coerce Belarus to bring the hammer down on the people there in exchange for a 10x increase in loans. When the president of that country didn’t go with it like all the other nations, he was demonized as a new Hitler, called a totalitarian, and is in the process of getting ousted, right tonight, by an orchestrated color revolution.

    Jul 30, 2020 · The World Bank offered Belarus a $940 million coronavirus loan in June. But the conditions included that they lock down and destroy their economy. The World Bank wanted him to lock down like Italy did in March and April. The Belarus President Aleksander Lukashenko, considered the last tyrant in Europe, turned down the offer.

    So this story is huge, because it describes economic hitman policies to get the world to operate in lockstep. They can not have any nation not playing along with the pandemic hoax, as it would be exposed. If you remember, Belarus was one of the few nations that didn’t go draconian and nothing happened. That proved the hoax, that the masks did nothing. In fact, masks actually do nothing besides acting as a pacifier for the scared sheep.

    Viruses are so small masks do not stop them. So wearing a mask does not stop transmission, and that every scientist agrees so why are we still wearing masks in the middle of the summer heat? Cultural insanity. People have literally gone insane over this hoax, they are under a television induced spell, in fear. The real virus is a mind virus from the media that hyped this to the nth degree.

  5. It’s obviously a psychological operation as are the Bolshevik riots.

    TB kills 1.7 million people per year and is far worse than covid, so you know the covid hysteria is a political tool.

    The small hats are using shock doctrine techniques that they have perfected over the course of many centuries and millions of dead people. Intimidation, violence, starvation, fear, hysteria, chaos, misery…..they know exactly what they are doing because they’ve done it so many times before.

    Demoralized people are easily manipulated and far more likely to accept an untested vaccine that cannot possibly be durable and will probably be harmful.

    Unemployed hungry frightened people will do whatever they are told.

  6. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Covid-19 isn’t a serious illness but unfortunately the American people are seriously stupid so they will believe anything. The biggest fear of most Americans is not fitting in so they will wear the mask. I see people walking down the street alone wearing a mask. Notice I keep saying that stupid word?

    Mask!

    Mask!

    Mask!

    It dominates my vocabulary I hate it. Can’t escape it. Nope. Everyday.

    Where is my mask?

    It’s horrible!

    I live in a super liberal state too. Everyone is just so smart. They are so smart that they all wear a mask and hate President Trump.

    Everyone wants to fit in around here. Vacuousness reigns supreme.

    I will say this. Women are especially scared. The single ones are desperate for a man. Job insecurity, low pay, no savings, fear of job loss and the inability to find another has women beyond nervous.

    A young, attractive cashier saw how much money I had in my wallet. She looked at me and a change of attitude became apparent. Not saying she wanted to be with me. But she was clearly drawn in by it. She’s working as a cashier at a convenient store she’s broke!!!

    Covid-19 is having profound effects. It’s ushering in a wave of conservatism. Expect Trump to dominate the election.

  7. TKK says:

    Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

    -Mencken

  8. Richard B says:

    Another great article from Mike Whitney that directs our attention to something I’ve been saying for ages.

    The hostile elite might be good at infiltration, subversion, betrayal, destruction and death.

    But they’re no good at social management.

    They’re selfish and evil. True.

    The hostile elite are no hotbed of mental health.

    But they are not a band of Wile E. Coyote Super Geniuses.

    No way!

    They have just enough brains to know how to make money. And steal it too, of course.

    They’re also good at acquiring power through networking in secret.

    But they don’t know how to maintain that power. Obviously!

    Just look at how desperate all of this is. And crazy.

    They want us to feel helpless and powerless exactly because they know we’re not.

    And we aren’t.

    It’s true that many have buckled and many have fallen.

    But, to give us the benefit of the doubt, we’re just months into something we’ve never been through before.

    The general public is simply too big. And, at the same time, there are too many publics.

    We’ve made our mistakes and many are learning it’s no longer necessary to continue to make them.

    The fact is, the elite are too propaganda-dependent, too hoax-dependent, to keep this up much longer.

    And now we’re back to why they’re no good at social management.

    You simply can not run a civilization more complex and unpreditable than ever before with the same approach you used to steal it.

    You can’t manage the social-institutions of civlization on a steady diet of propaganda and force.

    Doing that only destablizes the very institutions they’re struggling to control.

    But, to the extent they do succeed in putting us between the sword and the wall, even they know that when people believe they have nothing to lose, they start acting like they have nothing to lose.

    If the general public starts losing it in numbers that matter it will disrupt and derail the evil machinations of the hostile elite.

    It very well may be.

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
  9. gsjackson says:
    @anonymous

    Yes, and they chose wisely in opting for another invisible bogeyman, like the old abstract noun foe, terrorism. I have long thought they would go with space invaders, which, like pandemics, can come in one wave after another, but at some point a few of the sheeple might start to get curious about what the creatures look like. But then, you could always tell the sheeple that the space invaders are able to make themselves invisible whenever they want.

    Space invaders would get you to one-world government faster, but pandemics should get you there eventually. Slow and steady wins the prize, and our masters have always exhibited great patience, albeit with somewhat of a penchant for overreaching.

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  10. Franz says:

    The American people have been plunged into a strange world of persistent fear and relentless manipulation by scheming elites who are resolutely committed to remaking society from the ground-up.

    Best capsule summary yet.

    Let’s be honest: They weren’t going to stop at tranny story hour and scouring the pharmacopeia for new substances to criminalize.

    Sooner or later they were going to go for the Big Hit, and there’s no doubt this is part of it. Then comes a war — think a bigger one than what we already have, Iran maybe — and they’ll have us dunked. Millions of troops overseas getting dead, millions of agents here, some disguised as social justice warriors, to make war at home ugly enough to match the wars abroad.

    Not that this is the endgame. They might settle for a new and really dingy normalcy and await the kill shot. But their motives are no longer in question.

  11. If lockdowns don’t work, if they don’t reduce infection numbers, or if they inevitably cause a ‘second wave’, this assertion needs to be provable by the vast majority of comparable data, not by cherry-picking one or two convenient examples.

    Cases in Point:

    Sweden:
    Population: 10 million
    Infections: ~85,000
    Deaths: ~6,000

    China
    Population: 1,400 million
    Infections: ~85,000
    Deaths: ~5,000

    And it is countries like Japan that had no lockdown, who are now experiencing a ‘second wave.’

    Of course, we can always escape by claiming that China’s statistics are false, but there is no evidence to support that assertion, and in fact the US’ own Dr. Fauci stated that US infections are understated by as much as 90%. He gave no opinion on the understatement of fatalities, but the US CDC’s Director Robert Redford admitted that many COVID-19 deaths had been attributed to the flu. Reford conveniently failed to provide any estimate of such cases, but available evidence indicates the numbers are much higher than nothing.

    Similarly, many Americans appear determined to trash the use of masks, some claiming they do more harm than good, an assertion that is ridiculous on its face. Masks may not be 100% effective, but if they can reduce infections by even 10%, and they most obviously can, that is still sufficient to justify their use. Simply put, if I wear a mask my chances of inhaling the pathogen are reduced by some measurable amount; it cannot be otherwise.

    It may be useful to speculate on the efficacy of various means and measures in dealing with a pandemic, but it is not helpful to promote wildly ideological points of view while trashing all other points of view as wild political ideology. Whitney cleverly cherry-picked a few sources that supported his thesis while ignoring hundreds of others that disagree, some disagreeing vehemently.

    In perfect irony, the article accurately noted the flood of misinformation surrounding this pandemic and then, mounting the white moral horse of informational chastity, proceeded to provide yet more confused and spurious misinformation. The question is why.

    This is not an individual stating a firmly-held personal opinion; it is reflective of an agenda.

  12. Maybe the CFR is lower than expected because people have taken measures to protect themselves, otherwise it would be much worse?

    The accuracy of the chart that shows hydrochloroquine use seems questionable, both in terms of CFR and hydrochloroquine use. For example, according to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality, the CFR of Italy is 24%, not 14%+.

    With regard to hydrochloroquine use, according to https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/, hydrochloroquine is much more widely used in west Europe than the chart depicts:

    – Hydroxychloroquine usage amongst COVID-19 treaters is 72% in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, 23% in the U.S., 17% in Germany, 16% in Canada, 13% in the UK and 7% in Japan

    – Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters)

    – 75% in Spain, 53% Italy, 44% in China, 43% in Brazil, 29% in France, 23% in the U.S. and 13% in the U.K.

    • Thanks: Saggy
  13. JimDandy says:

    I seem to remember a conspiracy theory that the left/globalists wanted to get rid of localized police in America and replace them with a federal police force. The current defund-the-police-and-decriminalize-crime movement would seem to fit in with that plan–starve local police forces down to nothing while violent crime skyrockets, and use it as a pretext for the formation of an uber-woke federal police force once a Dem–say a blackish, authoritarian lady–becomes president.

    • Agree: Alden
  14. This article is spot-on.

    Thank you, Mike Whitney.

    Regardless of whether or not there is nefarious business going on, the damage caused by lockdowns is much worse than what happens without them.

    Kudos to Ron Unz for publishing this and providing a webzine for alternative views — even though he and others here (e.g. Steve Sailer) have pushed the SARS-CoV-2 narrative themselves (most likely innocently.) No loss of respect; everyone gets things wrong sometimes.

    • Agree: Alfred
  15. So, the question is this: was Trump aware, and a part of, this whole nefarious plan? Or did it get engineered by China and the Dems and unleashed w/o his involvement?

    Also, did/does Trump have the Constitutional authority to override the policies implemented by each Governor? I get why he didn’t but, I’m just not clear whether he had the actual legal standing to declare “the rules” for country regarding the Plandemic?

  16. The percentage of the population of the US that caught the common cold, a coronavirus, 1 to 3 times in 2017 is: 64% for those aged 18-30 years, 62% for those 31-45 years, 66% for those 46-60 years and 54% for those over 61 years (statista.com). Where is the herd immunity?

    The percentage of the US population that catches influenza each year is 3-11% for those symptomatic and 5-20% for both symptomatic and asymptomatic (cdc.gov). Where is the herd immunity?

    The percentage of the population of Botswana with HIV/AIDS is 24.8% (wikipedia.com). Where is the herd immunity?

    So on what basis do you and some experts claim that there will be herd immunity for the Covid-19 virus?

    But I agree the threats posed by Covid-19 to public health seem to be greatly exaggerated.

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  17. They spell it out right here: https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/. Zero mystery.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
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  18. Seems to me that this Q thing would be a good way to set up some high expectations only to have peoples’ hopes dashed when those expectations were not met. If you wanted to make Trump even more disappointing than he is already, that’d be one way to do it.

  19. OK, except for this: Five guys and three scuba tanks are no doubt ready and waiting—perhaps a half dozen teams of five guys with three scuba tanks—for orders to spray the next wave.

    Likely targets? At least three red states with strategic or symbolic electoral value that are up for grabs, and two solidly blue states with the most draconian mayors and governors.

    “Our government would never do such a thing!”

    No, not in broad daylight with a debate and votes; not a chance in a billion.

    But in reality, all the big stuff of the past 110 years or so has been handled soto vocce, by those who really matter—light years away from all of us who don’t matter at all.

    And unless and until somebody somewhere has the brains and the balls (or ovaries) to take hatchet to the root of this hemlock, civilization moves continuously toward outcomes most unhappy for puppies, children and other living things.

    • Agree: Afterthought
  20. Quite funny. The author is feeding jewish propaganda quoting Haaretz.

    The graphic is pure disinformation. Wrong data and hcq was used in France.

    https://coronavirus.politologue.com/

  21. Alfred says:

    We noted that in several closed communities that underwent testing, the infection rate was always capped at 20%, which statistically aligns with maximal infection rate in these communities rather than recurring coincidences.

    For many months, on this website, I have repeatedly claimed that herd immunity is at around 20% of the population. It has little to do with pre-existing immunity to similar viruses – that only determines how successful the virus is with an individual.

    The reason is far more mechanistic than any of that. It cannot be replicated by any type of linear mathematics. It can only be reproduced with a stochastic model where “people” are divided into groups depending on how “sociable” they are. For example, a ticket collector on a train deals with far more people every day than you or I. The elderly are generally far less sociable than younger active people.

    In a normal society that is not subject to arbitrary distancing rules and all the rest of that rigmarole, the more sociable are infected first. Because they are active people, it is most unlikely that they will succumb unless they are obese or have serious medical conditions. As soon as these sociable people get over their infection, they act as an insulator that prevents them from acting as a bridge between the currently infectious and those with no immunity.

    These arbitrary rules are actually designed to kill as many people as possible. They are not arbitrary at all.

    A computer program that has a simple stochastic model would illustrate this phenomenon in no time at all. It is amazing how people are unable to learn from the past.

    Stochastic Simulation (Science Direct)

    • Thanks: Polemos
  22. (“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions” Haaretz)

    Promoting the second wave with misconceptions, not facts.

  23. From day 1, it was obvious the “virus” did not constitute a threat to the health of most people. I put virus between quotation marks, because among medical scientists, there isn’t even consensus concerning the very nature of viruses: do they actually carry diseases, or are they a waste product left by some other disease-causing agent?

    All over the world, state and corporate media were blasting out the same alarmist fairy tales, which in itself is enough reason not to believe them. This is the very essence of fake news.

    Even more telltale was the fact that more than one hundred governments worldwide all adopted the same policies, justified by the same fairly tales, duly supported by legions of “experts” giving off stern warnings of how great a danger the “novel virus” constituted.

    It was obvious from day one that the lockdowns would do more harm to the economy, the social fabric, education, families and almost everything else, than even the Black Death would warrant.

    Thus from day one, it was obvious to any thinking person that economic and social upheaval was the real goal of the entire operation.

    There is also another goal, namely to force some evil vaccine on the world’s population, making a lot of money off it, and putting things into the vaccine with unknown effects on human health. Bill Gates, (creator or rather, seller of lousy computer programs), like a modern Dr. Mengele, wants to subject us all to medical experiments. That is why politicians and their hired experts so loudly protest against the use of HCQ which, in combination with zinc, can perfectly cure most people from COVID-19.

    But there is hope as well: the renowned Russian Gamaley Institute has developed a vaccine that does not seem to screw up our health and actually protects 100% against “the virus.”

    Great for the feeble-minded, the fearful, and the hypochondriacs among us.

    • Agree: sonofman
    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Wally
    , @Johnny Rico
  24. cranc says:

    Good summary, agree pretty much entirely with the main points.
    Levitt and others who called it correctly back in March/ April should be listened to.

    I suspect that we are at the beginning of something. Usurious, technocratic capitalism always seeks to enclose commons and then sell back what was originally free, but in a debased form. It seems that our immune systems are the frontier for this approach today and that lockdowns, distancing, masks and an increasing biophobia will be a form of ‘enclosure of our natural immunity’. This will be accompanied by a medico/ political regime which restricts activity according to pharmacological imposition : vaccine certificates will get you access to the things which once were accessible to all; human immunity will become less a force of nature and more a technological playing field.

    Ultimately this will fail. The only question is how much damage is done in the mean time.
    Read Dmitry Orlov is my suggestion.

  25. GMC says:

    Unfortunately, an investigative journalist has to tell/write the facts on a ” pandemic virus ,” instead of the Doctors that are at the head of the US Government. The fact that this virus struck the whole world in two months , shows that it had some help – Getting Around. I’m convinced that the ” Owners” of the virus can spike it with some unfavorable additives, in order to do a little more damage, here or there, and for favorable media exposure. As the country disintegrates, the foreign policies of regime changes, wars, drug and arms running, and the spread of ” Western Democracy” – continues with all the funding that is needed. Looking like the money, jobs and future is working for the treasonist US – NWO – not the USA.

  26. Lee says:

    It’s politics, right? What other explanation could there be? Our leaders and their behind-the-scenes puppet-masters are using science as a vehicle for achieving their own narrow political objectives

    Of course it’s politics—has been from the start.

    In the US the politics centers around getting Trump out of office. Whichever way the elections go this will be old news by mid Nov.

    If Biden wins all is forgotten.If Trump wins it’s all about how he stole the election. Predictable.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @god's friend
  27. meamjojo says:

    And here’s an article from the NYT proving that Covid is nothing more than just another run-of-the-mill virus that we can and will build immunity to, given time. There is no reason to enforce mask wearing or close/open/close businesses down again and again!
    **********
    Scientists See Signs of Lasting Immunity to Covid-19, Even After Mild Infections
    New research indicates that human immune system cells are storing information about the coronavirus so they can fight it off again.

    By Katherine J. Wu
    Aug. 16, 2020, 5:40 p.m. ET

    To the immune system, not all germs are equally memorable. But our body’s cells seem to be seriously studying up on the coronavirus.

    Scientists who have been monitoring immune responses to the virus are now starting to see encouraging signs of strong, lasting immunity, even in people who developed only mild symptoms of Covid-19, a flurry of new studies suggests. Disease-fighting antibodies, as well as immune cells called B cells and T cells that are capable of recognizing the virus, appear to persist months after infections have resolved — an encouraging echo of the body’s enduring response to other viruses.

    “Things are really working as they’re supposed to,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona and an author on one of the new studies, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.
    ….
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/16/health/coronavirus-immunity-antibodies.html

  28. Anon[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Anonymous failed to mention the other big scam which had the same goals. GLOBAL WARMING. What resulted from the lockdowns was what you would have gotten under the green new deal.

    a) No airline travel. The airline industry is almost dead.
    b) No fossil fuels. Oil for the first time traded at negative rates.
    c) De-industralisation, Industries are struggling to survive.
    d) No private vehicles. Private cars were not allowed on the roads.
    e) Breakdown of society. Isolation and banning of social activities like sports and religious congregation.
    f) All the anti-globalisation aims. Imports and exports have dropped considerably after the lockdowns.
    g) Nanny state. All private activities are heavily monitored.

    One has to admit that the lockdowns succeeded in achieving those goals rather quickly.

    • Agree: Kali, St-Germain, Alfred
  29. 2 million Americans did not die…

    They’ll keep showing the body counts until we get there. So what if it takes a decade, even with inflated stats.

    • Agree: Afterthought
  30. OzGuy says:

    Trump has been trying to negotiate with Covid-19 even bully it down as with all his other problematic opponents. The virus is what it is and he cannot ‘bargain’ with it or entice a compromise to get a better outcome. It is just like a death of someone close to you. You face it and then cycle through the anger, denial, negotiation etc until acceptance and move on with life.

    Every world leader tried for a compromise and she will get it earlier or later that is it an immovable wall. Just acknowledge for what it is and make the effort to ‘climb’ over it to the other side.

    No, herd immunity is not the only solution. Or else how do you justify the human casualties along the way. One of the other answer is containment. Effectively limiting community infection and then keep the infection to a minimal number to make tracing and isolation effective. All the while waiting for a vaccine to eradicate the virus. I.e. (horror of horrors) the Chinese method! That is what Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea are adopting with limited success. Why the conspiratorial silence with the way China succeeded with the virus?

    Sweden’s success with no lock down may be unique due to its geographic and cultural characteristics. A higher educated population, high living standard and a relatively isolated personal life style helps to reduce community spread. Geographically outside large cities there are more distance between human communities. The Swedes targeted the aged homes early to be isolated but mistakes were made with subsequent horrendous result.

    Japan had the same strategy of no lock down and the results are mixed but good enough for some to cite the country as an example. Although with a high density living the historical Japanese culture of highly social distancing and health etiquette mitigated the spread. With almost universal masks usage.

    You can say Germany, Switzerland,etc have some of the characteristic of Japan or Sweden but at the start of the pandemic it is risky to gamble with just no lock down. Italy and Spain were reluctant examples of what the death rates would be like when no isolation out of ignorance and/or inexperience of a pandemic situation.

    I have made some generalization but hindsight is 20/20.

  31. One should also mention the lives lost because healthcare facilities have been given over to this bug (which has never been isolated, BTW). In the disgusting madhouse of England, in which I have had the misfortune to be be born and in which I still live, the National Health Service – so called – has virtually ceased to function.

    The deaths from untreated or undiagnosed cancer, heart disease, etc. must constitute a substantial proportion of the numbers attributed to Covid-19. Indeed, the conflation of deaths “with” Covid and deaths “from” Covid, and the basic fact that most of the dead were very old and suffering from various comorbidities, together with suspicious policy changes in the way that death certificates can be issued with respect this disease only, is a sure sign that the statistics are bogus and the people behind them corrupt.

    I would add that the PCR test is completely unreliable and was never intended for such use by its inventor.

  32. gotmituns says:

    Remake Society
    ——————————–
    We’ve been on the way to “Brave New World” for years. We’re now nearing our destination.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  33. The WHO is a good start for a thorough scrutiny. And not only for the dubious role and close Chinese relations of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. The WHO decided to put COVID-19 on the A-list of extremely contageous and deadly diseases. This turned out to be unwarranted and based on too little scientific backing at the time of decision. The WHO also decided, for unclear reasons, to change the definition of the phenomenon “pandemic”, making it easier for them to give an outbreak such status, based on computerized prediction modeling, when all the necessary real-life data cannot yet be gathered. This organization needs to be taken apart, turned inside-out and shaken down thoroughly, to weed out “experts” with two or more kinds of butter on their bread. I consider Donald Trump’s move to stop financing the WHO a bold and necessary move. Here in the Netherlands, our national health institutions and our government are still following WHO guidelines with unbelievable docility. The Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy have also committed themselves for 750 million Euros worth, to purchase 300 vaccin doses from Astra-Zeneca, a big pharma firm that’s part of the Marcus Wallenberg business emporium. Ruud Dobber, AZ’s EVP, managed to convince the 4 countries to sign a disclaimer that frees AZ of any aftermath as regarding to side effects or other medical complications resulting from vaccin administering. When a Dutch reporter found this out, Dobber scrutinized his online legend in order to minimize hits for digging reporters , like wiping Bill Gates as one of his contacts mentioned in his LinkedIn account.
    Here in Europe, there is a lot of cowardly conformation and ass-covering. I see very little political courage and healthy objective thinking.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  34. I believe the author is sincere and accidentally says some true, even important things – as onw old expect when he is agreeing with a Nobel Prize winning scientist. But he still suffers from the typical American assumption that what (just) might be true of Ameerica is true of others.(Just think of the absurdity he has conjured up so he can believe in a worldwide elitist conspiracy).

    It was obvious to anyone with the slightest sophistication about politics that (with the odd amazing exception like Sweden and maybe Third World s**tholes) the compulsory political policy on the pandemic would be one which avoided politicians being blamed for deaths caused by health systems unprepared and overwhelmed.

    Nothing sinister about that but it does intrigue me that I had never heard of “pre-immunity” as a likely explanation for the relative harmlessness of Covid 19 to most people. Indeed why haven’t I seen discussion of the way other pathogens may have prepared many people’s bodies to resist the new virus? Still there does seem to be problem about that Why would the very young be almost immune as appears to be the case?

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  35. Who’s Afraid of QAnon?
    Gregory Hood • 24 Comments

    CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society
    Mike Whitney • 2 Comments

    Authors alike headless chickens, waste of ink and exhausting the energy of the readers, must be intentional. Who is paying? Who finances?

  36. Kali says:
    @anonymous

    The people have been psychologically prepared for this aledged “crisis”, not only by the means you mention, anon, (war on/of terror) but by long years of “climate crisis” fear mongering by globalist “elites”, their Billionaire funded “science” and their public-facing media/news outlets, which, despite that none of the catastrophic scenarios they constantly churn out have ever come to pass, continue to ram fear into the hearts and minds of the great, uninformed masses.
    The people have been relentlessly prepped for whatever “crisis” the social engineers of the ‘globalist “liberal” media complex’ choose. The use of a public health “crisis” was a stroke of genius on their part. We have do do all we can to counter it and to resist/reject their evil, totalitarian, power-grab.

    Stay calm, stay focused and remember to breathe!

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  37. With Q2 GDP minus 33%, are we already beyond the point where the Lockdown kills more than any virus? (even with the phony numbers… )

  38. Prajna says: • Website
    @obwandiyag

    Trollboy strikes again. Using the HIV => AIDS lie to create fear about the covid lie. Sorry LittleWanger, anyone who has looked into the HIV debacle can see the glow in everything you post.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @mh505
  39. @Larry Romanoff

    He gave no opinion on the understatement of fatalities, but the US CDC’s Director Robert Redford admitted that many COVID-19 deaths had been attributed to the flu.

    And what, pray tell, are the death statistics for this year’s flu? Earlier in the spring we noticed that while the CDC kept a daily running tally of ‘COVID-19’ deaths, they kept no such record for the flu. Has that changed?

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  40. jsinton says:

    It’s the most evil, diabolical event ever. The only good thing about it is that we now know who and what the Beast is.

  41. onebornfree says: • Website

    “COVID-19 is merely the vehicle they have chosen to achieve their nefarious objectives.”

    True, as far as it goes, but understand, this was/is only the first step. Covid-19 is merely a soft, “warm up” exercise to indoctrinate/acclimatize the masked moron covidiots to their “new normal”.

    What’s coming next ,UNLESS A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE WAKE UP, NOW!!!!!!!, is a “real” pandemic, with far stricter lockdowns, total martial law [a la Wuhan + Melbourne etc.], mandatory , DNA -altering vaccinations that have not been vetted via correct animal and human trial procedures, and for which the companies which produced them [with Gates and Fauci et al owning the patents] have total immunity from prosecution for the [deliberately] harmful effects these vaccines will have on millions of people worldwide when they are all forced to take them in order to even get permission to leave their house, shop, bank, travel overseas, visit friends/relatives etc. etc.

    And if the second attempt doesn’t quite do it, then there will be a 3rd, and a 4th attempt, each one even more draconian than the previous attempt.

    In short, this fake crisis [and the new one apparently scheduled for autumn 2020], is a brazen attempt to permanently lockdown/cripple the entire world economy, and to enslave almost the entirety of humanity under the current Chinese communo/fascist A.I. system. , for the benefit of the likes of the Rothchilds and Rockefellers etc. who fancy themselves as our overlords, and to then mass exterminate almost all of these new slaves, “for the good of humanity”.

    Go to “Duckduckgo.com, or Yandex, or Yippy and search : “Rockefeller operation lockstep” , or “Event 201” , for those who don’t believe what I’ve claimed above.

    This has all gone on for way to long and it’s way beyond a joke now. These commie/fascist -loving motherfuckers [ Rothchilds, Rockefellers, Xi, Gates, Fauci, Zuckerberg, Cook, Dorsey, Musk, and many, many others just like them ] all need to be locked up, or [even better],
    “disappeared” right now. Not tomorrow, not next week- RIGHT, THE FUCK, NOW! because [understand] , these fuckers will never quit otherwise.

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  42. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    I very much agree with most statements in this piece.

    But please explain : “…globalist oligarchy are using fake science, amplified through their assets in the media and Democrat party, to fundamentally restructure society in a way that enhances their material interests while strengthening their grip on power.”

    Why would you believe this behaviour to be limited to the democratic party? Have there not been many examples in the past where republican channels have been abused for manipulating the peoples opinion in order to set an agenda in the interest of billionaire elites (Irak wars etc)?

    The elites will most likely use whatever channels are suitable to archive their own goals and not adhere to specific political parties or media channels. By assuming this one would certainly turn a blind eye to part of the “big picture”

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  43. @Gerhard57NL

    On the bright side, there have been major protests in Germany. But where is the rest of Europe, I wonder? What about France, for example? They’re normally always rioting–why not now?

  44. 1. thanks to mssr whitney and too few others who refuse to be stampeded…
    2 i suggest covid19 pussies go read jon rappaports blog, nomorefakenews… you won’t, too comfortable in your Empire-approved ignorance…
    3. as i predicted, the terminology is slip-sliding away: first they quietly pivoted from ‘Deaths’, to ‘cases’, both of which were severely compromised if not made up numbers to start with… now, they are pivoting from “COVID-19”, to ‘coronavirus’, and in some cases, the reporting is just ‘virus’… gee, wonder why… *snort*
    4. frankly, given the doughy-pantsload reaction of many of the super-brainiacs here, it makes me wish the virus was real, and was really going to kill every last stupid nekkid ape on the planet… good… let a species with intact testicles take over, rats or cockroaches, or some noble animal like that… hu mans are spent, not worth a shit… cowards, wimps, morons, and dickless wonders the lot of them…
    especially larry romanoff…

  45. GeeBee says:
    @Hans Vogel

    like a modern Dr. Mengele

    Don’t make the mistake of trying to use WWII Allied propaganda in order to tarnish one of the chief fountains of contemporary propaganda. Bill Gates is a ruthless billionaire, with probably a good dose of evil thrown into the mixture, and he might well harbour sinister intentions towards the world in general. That’s all that needs to be said. No need at all to compare him with a mild-mannered doctor from eighty years ago who has been deliberately turned into a ‘monster’ by Jews and the victors of WWII.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
    , @Anon
  46. vengeance says:
    @obwandiyag

    at the end of time there will be no more hiding for the likes of you . your putrid , rank , little cucky cuntish fart of a spirit will be hunted down and absolutely annihilated… if you are given the chance at all , a reincarnation perhaps , after I have wafted the flatulence that is your spirit into a trillion disparate and lost parts scattered throughout the void of nothingness that is your home , it will be as a rat , since thats the level you are on… good luck working your way back up from the sewer fuckface… there arent any government jobs for vermin .

    • LOL: Mark G.
  47. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    “So on what basis do you and some experts claim that there will be herd immunity for the Covid-19 virus”

    It’s a scam. There is no “Covid-19 virus”. To date, no scientific experiment/study has ever been performed that has successfully isolated and identified any viral material that was then subsequently labelled as specifically and definitively being “Covid-19”.

    Nor is the standard test routinely used to supposedly identify its existence on/in a person [i.e. the PCR test], capable of performing that task.

    Regards, onebornfree

  48. Kali says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Cases in Point:

    Sweden:
    Population: 10 million
    Infections: ~85,000
    Deaths: ~6,000

    China
    Population: 1,400 million
    Infections: ~85,000
    Deaths: ~5,000

    But with 50% of “corona deaths” in Sweden happening in nursing homes, we have to ask what was happening in those homes to “spike” the rates and/or otherwise skew the data.

    If we exclude the nursing home deaths from the presented stats, we are still left with excess deaths in Sweden compared to China. So we need to ask how these apparently excess deaths compare to previous years and other causes, etc.

    You do raise an interesting point, Larry, but I feel the example you choose requires further analysis. The numbers on their own provide a stark contrast, but obviously, taken at face value, don’t tell the whole story.

    Fond regards,
    Kali.

  49. refl says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    the US’ own Dr. Fauci stated that US infections are understated by as much as 90%. He gave no opinion on the understatement of fatalities, but the US CDC’s Director Robert Redford admitted that many COVID-19 deaths had been attributed to the flu.

    If US covid-death are in a range of ~ 200 000 and the faux pedo who invented AIDS wants numbers around 2 mio, then clearly the benchmark has been missed by 90%
    And then the claim that COVID-19 death have been missattributed to the flu has to be read the other way round: he demands flu death to be attributed to COVID, and most certainly has been pushing doctors in that direction for months. This is how they are designing the second wave that will lead to the next lockdown, which may easily be the death blow to Western society.

  50. Sam J. says:

    This report is a straw Man that does not take into consequence all the facts. Sure I readily concede that the end results are not as bad as projected but what if what they projected was because they expected the projections to come true and they did not?

    Five different viral research centers made statements that corona was engineered. These were not some anonymous guy in a basement. They were government funded research centers.

    A former viral weapons researcher said that manufactured viruses frequently break down their lethality quickly. Much faster the the natural kind.

    There apparently was a massive shit load of people killed in China. There were a lot in Italy also. Many people believe they under reported the amount of deaths by a large amount in China. In Wuhan with no traffic at all the whole city was engulfed in a haze that many said was from the vast amount of burning bodies being disposed of. Just because the US and some other countries did not have the same amount of deaths doesn’t mean they did not occur.

    If you look at these three facts together it’s not hard to reason that the deep State, in my mind the Jews, did this on purpose and it didn’t kill off as many as they wished. Especially since the Jews piped up that they could have a vaccine in weeks from their supposed research on chickens that, surprise, surprise, was just like the corona. How Cohenvenient.

    The future. Apparently there a problem with certain viruses that if you take a small portion of it for a vaccine when you get the same illness again it’s actually worse and kills you. Search “Pathogenic priming”. This happened in the Philippines. This says to me that their vaccine they are pushing is frighteningly dangerous to take.

    http://ipaknowledge.org/

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/dengue-vaccine-fiasco-leads-criminal-charges-researcher-philippines

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccine-just-say-no/5714389

    Especially since several studies have shown 100% cure rate of corona with Ivermectin

    https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/australia-ivermectin-coronavirus-covid/2020/08/08/id/981220/

    https://forums.livescience.com/threads/ivermectin-has-been-shown-very-effective-against-covid-19-infections-why-is-no-one-talking-about-it.3278/

    and there’s good evidence that Trump pills work also if you don’t wait until the people are half dead to give them to them and don’t give them massive over doses and then tell everyone it’s toxic. Yet all you hear is them pushing vaccines. The arrest for not wearing mask seem to be priming people for forced vaccinations which damn well might kill you if corona comes around again.

    All the vaccine Company Presidents, top 10% of the managers, all the researchers and all their children should be forced to be injected with their own vaccines samples randomly selected from public stocks at a random time and be told this will happen. Those who will not will never have their vaccines approved.

  51. @obwandiyag

    “Liar. Or Idiot. Probly a little of both.”: please, don’t be as hard on yourself. That said, it’s good to warn readers in advance because it seems that you take at face value all the fables spread by the media to frighten the gullible.

    • Replies: @mh505
  52. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Why would the very young be almost immune as appears to be the case?”

    In a newly born, the thymus gland [widely considered to be the center of the immune system], apparently takes up about 1/3 of the total chest cavity [according to what I’ve read] .

    As a person ages, the thymus gland shrinks, and natural immunity to infection etc. therefor “naturally” decreases [ mostly due to bad nutrition and bad health practices].

    The process is called “thymus gland involution” by medical professionals. [At least those in the natural medicine professions.]

    To reverse that gradual shrinking over time and to rebuild the thymus and to try to restore a patients immune system, alternative medicine doctors and professionals will often prescribe thymus extracts and other natural substances [vitamins, minerals etc.].

    Obviously, most babies don’t need that treatment, unless, of course, their immune system has already been severely compromised by the huge number of vaccinations [30+?] they all receive immediately after birth, at least if they were unlucky enough to have been born in a US hospital.

    Disclaimer: None of what I wrote means that I believe there actually is a CV-19 virus, there isn’t. It’s a scam.

    Regards, onebornfree.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  53. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    One tie-in may be the George Floyd “I can’t breathe” meme cascading on top of the masking meme with the bizarre twist that if you don’t wear a mask in the grocery store (as I refuse to do), the Karens and their shadowing husbands give you a stern look as if you’re Officer Chauvin. In any case, the majority of adults buying into the masking lie suggests these people don’t deserve to be free, and so they no longer are.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  54. Bob says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Larry, no one who seriously studies China ever believes anything the CCP says, especially their statistics. This is a basic starting point to anything having to do with communist China. The only thing sort of reliable is they lie so often and so much, we can be quite sure that when they speak they are either fudging something or trying to divert attention from something. That said, I thought your article on MKULTRA was terrific, best I have read on the subject.

  55. @Olivier1973

    “Pure disinformation”, that’s actually what you’re doing Olivier, as you provide wrong facts. HCQ was no longer available over the counter in France from January 15, 2020 and a few days later general practitioners were no longer allowed to prescribe it freely. The day after the fraudulent study on HCQ published by The Lancet, the ongoing studies were stopped by order of the Minister of Health.

    Its use is now only authorized in hospitals, therefore for patients in serious condition, but HCQ is of no use at this stage. Only two French hospitals have attempted to treat patients at an early stage with this drug, despite the risk of disciplinary prosecutions.

  56. Tom Welsh says:
    @anonymous

    “Flu season is only about five months away so we will of course have something else come down the pike, perhaps from Tajikistan or Azerbaijan or wherever”.

    Like this, you mean?

    “China seals off village after bubonic plague death in Inner Mongolia”
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/07/asia/china-mongolia-bubonic-plague-death-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

  57. Great article. BUT …

    I’ll go out on a limb here to declare every reader of Unz had already arrived at this article’s conclusions. I could try to coerce some local Mask Breathers to read the article to show them the truth of their insanity, but (1) nobody would read it; (2) if they did read it, like obwandiyag they’d say it was filled with lies; because (3) nobody wants to be red-pilled. They’re happy staying with the program.

    In a way, I can’t blame them. Sure, the Unz fanboiz know jet fuel can’t melt reinforced steel and LBJ whacked JFK, but Unz fanboiz will also be the first ones ushered into next year’s FEMA camps.

    After the wolf is already inside your house and making love to your wife, it might be easier at some point to just shut the f* up.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  58. theMann says:

    https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacy
    https://haveyenotread.com/occult-ritual-transformation-and-coronavirus/
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/498007-covid-19-myths-lies-exposed/
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/jon-rappoport/covid-two-vital-experiments-that-have-never-been-done/

    There is a tiny little bit of information to start with – the second source is of course the most important.

    Let us begin with a simple thought experiment: If there were a disease out there that might kill 10% of the population, would it be “worth it” on some level, to destroy the Economy, trash the Constitution, and institute methods that would result in permanent psychological damage to most of the population? Especially given that all methods of slowing the disease would likely fail? Suppose there was a disease that would kill .005% of the population ? Could it possibly be worth it then? Because that is what we have in fact done.

    The lockdowns, a war crime, the isolation, psychological torture, a war crime, the wanton destruction of private property, a war crime, have:

    By the CDC’s own admission, caused twice as many deaths as Covid-19

    https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/07/27/head-of-cdc-lockdown-suicides-drug-ods-killing-way-more-americans-than-covid/

    AND that doesn’t include deaths by people who failed to get medical treatment, downstream deaths by poverty inflicted on people by the lockdowns or deaths from failed or way to late medical diagnoses. This is deliberately engineered mass murder, and it has barely begun. And of course, a War Crime.

    Covid-19 is of course, a Satanic Death Cult, but it is also a gigantic test of population ‘pliability”. A test to see exactly how much shit everyone will eat in permanently giving up their Rights over a hoax. The powers that be must be astounded at how easy it has been to do this. Beyond pathetic, and this generation of human being will go down in History:

    As the supreme and cowardly degenerates of all human history.

    • Agree: Joey Pastrami
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  59. Tom Welsh says:
    @Anonymous

    As a British citizen with little understanding of US politics, and absolutely no interest in any of the warring parties, I wonder why Americans can’t consider a medical matter like the coronavirus without dragging in politics.

    Every day I see people online blaming the Democrats and others blaming the Republicans. And of course most people like to dump on Trump – who, coarse as his manners may be, seems to me rather better than average for a US president.

    I can’t help feeling that most of the hatred he seems to attract is due to his relative lack of hypocrisy. Most presidents pose as nice, decent, moral people while secretly (or not so secretly) doing hideous things without a qualm.

    Personally I prefer an honest villain to a ghastly whited sepulchre like Obama or (any) Bush. But apparently most Americans don’t.

    “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness”.
    – Matthew 23:27

  60. @GeeBee

    Of course I am aware of all of what you say and basically agree with it. Nevertheless, apart from what Dr. Mengele actually did or didn’t do, his unjustly tarnished name comes in handy, if only for shock value.

    Bill Gates is an evil, murderous psychopath suffering from serious self-delusion. Not unlike Winnie Churchill or FDR, whom he resembles more than Dr. Mengele.

    Yet since Winnie and FDR are still worldly saints in the “West,” one cannot yet use their names in a depreciative context. Hopefully, that day will come and we will live to see it.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @GeeBee
  61. Tom Welsh says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    “Earlier in the spring we noticed that while the CDC kept a daily running tally of ‘COVID-19’ deaths, they kept no such record for the flu. Has that changed?”

    How could they keep a separate record of flu deaths – when most of them have been repurposed as “Covid-19 deaths”?

    • Agree: follyofwar
  62. Emily says:

    I always look at the tweets of Gerard Batten.
    Former leader of UKIP.
    They are generally well worth the reading.
    Check this today – worth seeing.

    (Incidently he has the Millie doc. – Shadowgate if you scroll down and its still playing, not to mention a news report from Aussie – quite an eye opener).
    Anyway – the truth article….
    Go to google.
    Type in any three digits and the two words new cases.
    No matter what number, you will get a matching scare story on Covid.
    Its all a scam……
    Check out too, Stand up X
    A group formed in Britain to stand up against masks, vaccine compulsion etc….
    I have sent my donation.
    Add to that they have a Gofundme for Millie.
    Imprisoned on a sealed indictment to try and stop her documentary,
    Sent in a SWAT team to arrest her out of the blue
    Too late, Shadowgate is unleashed, but Millie is facing the wrath of the deep state.
    Assange can detail that and what it means.
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/emergency-legal-defense-fund-for-millie-weaver

  63. @Larry Romanoff

    CDC says in a pre-release paper that the only study on mask efficacy does not favor the use of cloth masks. They even claim medical professionals may reasonably choose to use nothing instead of them. Your traditionalist ranting about how it “cannot be otherwise” is here disputed by your ol buddy Redford’s organization. I understand why if we judge the books by their cover it looks like masks should help. It also seemed obvious at one point that the sun revolved around the earth. That turned out to be wrong, after study. You should do a study on masks and see what you find out instead of vigorously accepting the globalists’ wet hands all over your nose and mouth. That smell is not just your virus-laden exhalation but also the blood of millions of Arabs.

    • Agree: taylorseries
  64. Jehovah says:

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_

    In which the CDC finally admits the mask thing has no solid backing

  65. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    I remember more than a “conspiracy theory” regarding a federal police force, going back to Obama’s declaration in ’08 that the Left will need a “civilian national security force” that will be “just as powerful, just as strong, and just as well funded as the military,” which in the latter case has about 1.1 million in uniform.

    It’s equally obvious and no mere speculation that the disband-the-police movement has this federal police force as its objective, as it must, while the prospect this American Stazi will be recruited from among disaffected, white-hating blacks like BLM and white communists like Antifa is a reasonable expectation at this point.

    The military, furthermore, is about 40% minority and has openly and seditiously declared for the rioters against the President. That photo of 16 black female cadets using their (unmerited, strictly political) graduation from West Point to raise the black power salute (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/08/west-point-female-cadets-raised-fist-photo-investigation) makes it clear the military has been dramatically changed from a patriotic institution to a political arm of the DNC domestically, while overseas it is unarguably a subunit of Israel’s military being exhausted to accomplish the Yinon Plan even to the final destruction of America. Consider what sort of man would sell out his country to Israel and the radical left as those in the Pentagon do.

    Most Americans fail to realize that in DC the Pentagon is the “mother of all bureaucracies” and so naturally under the control of bureaucratic confederates of Obama’s DOJ and State Department. Tragically, Americans mistake Democratic bureaucrats in military costume for patriot warriors and so blindly send their sons off to fight and die for Israel at the cost of bankrupting America–to the point impoverishment of our country under the guise of CV19 and treasonous support for these riots are now necessary to continue funding Israeli objectives.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  66. theMann says:

    a couple of addendums I would like to add:

    1. The Who and The CDC both state that autopsies are not to be performed in Covid-19 deaths. That isn’t suspicious at all.

    2. To the people posting but, but, but , but….symptoms.

    Does a pathogen cause : acute respiratory distress, followed by long term organ damage, and, oh yea, hair falling out after some time?

    I don’t know of one. but that is the definition of what mid-level radiation poisoning does to people.

    • Agree: Emily, Kali
    • Replies: @Kali
  67. mh505 says:
    @Prajna

    I am sorry to say so – but one has to wonder about the state of mind of the persons who still engage with this commenter. Do you all have too much time on your hands? Or have you not understood that this guy is entirely loco?

    • Replies: @ariadna
  68. JonT says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    It seems that there are lock downs, and there is quarantine. China quarantined Wuhan (from the rest of China, not the rest if the world), and also locked it down. Sweden, I am assuming, would be like the rest of the world, in a sort of de facto quarantine. So would it not be more appropriate to compare a quarantined city of 11 million in which there was very little freedom of movement and contact, with a quarantined nation of similar population in which there was internal freedom of movement and contact.
    The 1.4 billion population figure becomes irrelevant – comparing Sweden and Wuhan, both contained geographical zones with known Covid outbreaks appears to provide a better comparison.
    Still, Wuhan does better, and in more difficult circumstances given geography, density, pollution etc. But maybe not we’ll enough to justify the nuking of a nation’s economy. What am I missing?

    • Replies: @Saggy
  69. journey80 says:
    @obwandiyag

    Key word: “possibly” … also “apparent,” etc. “some whistleblowers” … thanks for the well-sourced bloviating, Sparky …

  70. Dumbo says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Masks are basically useless, they are just a sign of social conformity and that “something is being done”. Like taking off your shoes and being searched by the TSA on the “war on terror”, in the “war on viruses” everyone must wear a mask and pretend it works.

    Of course it’s useless against a real virus, but I am not even sure that this is caused by a virus, actually the germ theory of disease (I am referring to the actual theory, not the commenter with this handle), like masks, has many holes.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  71. Dumbo says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    “Never let a crisis go to waste”. And if there’s no crisis, create one. Same old, same old.

  72. The whole point of the virus was to keep the people occupied while the Fed and the banks engineer the final looting of the country. All the bankruptcies are icing on the cake so the folks with the free money can purchase everything for cents on the dollar.

    The end of the dollar is near, so the bankers need to convert their worthless paper into tangible goods. When this is all over, the dollar will be worth a fraction of its present value but the physical assets the banks and others receiving the free Fed currency purchased will be the only thing left to restart the economy. The population will be serfs looking for work and a meal while the feudal lords control access to those jobs and they will set wages and benefits to their liking.

    It’s feudalism all over again. MAGA!

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @Stonehands
  73. Bartolo says:

    The supposed Haaretz article by the Noble Prize winner does NOT EXIST. What the hell is this?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @rashomoan
  74. ThereisaGod says: • Website

    At last Whitney is a Conspiracy Theorist. Why does it take so long for so many. Is the desire to remain “respectable” that strong? … that truth-obscuring?

  75. dr death says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    You should go back to Langley.

  76. Saggy says: • Website

    Whitney is incompetent or lying, and Unz is in bad need of a fact checker. Click on the graph at the top of the article so that you can read it …. the first countries with high fatality rates, and having no HCQ use, are

    UK, Spain, Italy, France, Mexico, Canada, Belgium….

    From https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/

    hydroxychloroquine usage amongst COVID-19 treaters is 72% in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, 23% in the U.S., 17% in Germany, 16% in Canada, 13% in the UK and 7% in Japan

  77. Anon[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    As regards herd immunity, you are correct. One can only talk about herd immunity in the context of a vaccine. Which is why biblical illnesses like smallpox continue to ravage communities until man invented vaccines. Nineteen plus centuries.

    And illnesses are “eradicated” through vaccines only if people continue to use vaccines.

    Whitney is callous. I personally know people who died. A healthy 70 year old relative dropped like a fly. The figures for Covid from April were: 80% of infected would get a light case, 20% a hard one, of which 5% would need intensive care. Mortality was estimated between 0.1% and 1%. In many local communities the fatality rate was much higher. (Italy and Spain)

    The numbers/models the author cites existed, but were part of the fog of the propaganda war that has happened. If he knew about it as he says, he should have sifted through the info to arrive at a sensible conclusion.

    However, rigorous Spain-like lockdowns are signs of an incompetent government. While we wait to buy our vaccines 🙄, masks are the solution.

    If we had half a brain and half a heart they would not be mandatory, they would be the sensible personal choice, along with having a home treatment in our pantry and extra care/isolation for the vulnerable.

    • LOL: Alfred
  78. bob jones says:
    @obwandiyag

    this is wrong.

    it is not random.

    it is dependent upon preexisting conditions such as very old age and diabetes, heart disease, and hypertension

    these people are the ONLY ONES who died, with the tiny exception of those with immune disorders

    regardless of whether the “airborne AIDS” hysteria is correct, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT and the lockdowns were utterly futile.

    They knew within 2 weeks that the hospitals would not be overwhelmed. Freaking health care workers were actually LAID OFF due to lack of patients in facilities. Shut up and ruminate on that for a while.

    nature bats last

  79. bob jones says:
    @vengeance

    dude the DNA sequence of this virus was published in Shanghai like 2 weeks after the initial wave of news reporting

    cut out the tinfoil bs…what you say is utterly false

    • Agree: Emily
    • Replies: @vengeance
  80. bob jones says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    dude, China had far more than 5000 deaths.

    you cannot use CCP’s numbers as a basis for anything…they are out and out lies

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  81. Sam J. says:
    @Yukon Jack

    “…economic hitman policies to get the world to operate in lockstep. They can not have any nation not playing along with the pandemic hoax, as it would be exposed…”

    Or even worse they want to hit us with some sort of hacked vaccine that the next time the virus comes around we are all killed off. Anyone in the know will not take the shot and have their Doctor fake them having taken it.

    Search “Pathogenic priming” “vaccines”

  82. onebornfree says: • Website

    From Henry Makow’s site: “The Rothschild19 Virus – A Synopsis”

    “CDC admitted they screwed up COVID19 infection counts and intentionally misled the public and have apologized, clarifying that the amount of people truly infected is much lower than what was originally reported — an error so egregious it made the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute say “how could the CDC make this mistake? This is a mess.”

    The American Coronavirus Task Force also admitted to fudging the National COVID19 death count when Dr. Birx said the deaths are people who died “with” COVID19 not “from” COVID19, thus making the real death count much lower than what is currently being reported.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted masks won’t help against the virus and mask manufacturers are now including warnings that their products do not deter COVID19.

    Fauci also said that continuing to close the country could cause irreparable damage.

    CDC backtracked their initial claim that led governors to shutdown their states & clarified that COVID19 does not spread easily on surfaces.

    Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo confirmed a recent health study showing that 70% of new infections actually originate at home, thus making stay-at-home orders one of the most dangerous mandates currently in place…….”

    More at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/08/the-commie-virus-a-synopsis.html

    regards, onebornfree

  83. gsjackson says:
    @gotmituns

    Except that now it’s starting to look more like 1984. No soma for you buster. Put your mask on and get back in your cell.

  84. Saggy says:
    @JonT

    But maybe not we’ll enough to justify the nuking of a nation’s economy. What am I missing?

    The countries that have aggressively contained the virus have not nuked their economies.

    • Replies: @Fred777
    , @JonT
  85. Miro23 says:

    … and more than 99.9% of the population has survived the epidemic…The implications of these findings are of utmost importance. They call for immediate removal of most restrictions on the economy, immediate return to normal life of low-risk population while helping high-risk groups reduce the rate of social contacts.”

    Agreed that this is of the utmost importance.

    Honest governments need to precisely do this – despite the loss of face – and set their people free. Of course the ZioGlob will howl about the global risk and their Empire (US/UK/FR/AU/NZ) will clamp down harder than ever on their people – but let them do it.

    Then there’s that feeling that if the US ZioGlob/CIA deep state didn’t exist we would never have received this virus in the first place. Their MSM seemed to be 100% ready on day one with the full story, just waiting to trumpet the panic around the world.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @TheTrumanShow
  86. @Larry Romanoff

    All Asian countries ignored the WHO and Dr. Fauci and implemented travel bans, tightening their borders to exclude people from infected countries en masse, and sick individuals arriving at airports. Still , the virus will get in, and the Asian countries have done well with isolating, testing, tracking and quarantining those infected and their contacts. It is only draconian at borders (and city borders in China). The West stupidly did not enact travel bans until the virus got in and became community spread (essentially untraceable and uncontrollable).
    The height of stupidity is the North East US states which unintentionally had no effective lockdowns (twice as many half full subway cars??); unintentionally they followed the Sweden model. After massive death rates (1692 and 1800 deaths per million in NY and NJ vs 572 per million in Sweden and vs only 9 per million in Japan), these states now have quarantines against 35 states (after threatening to sue RI and Trump for suggesting they quarantine NYers in April, who ended up spreading covid-19 nationwide (NY Times, May 7). This is a classic case of closing the barn door after all the livestock have left. They likely have widespread immunity from their incompetence, but are too stupid to realize it, and are afraid they will be re-infected by the virus they spread to other states! And Gov Cuomo is hailed as a hero for his incompetence by MSM.

  87. American Citizen 2.0 says:

    I agree with the overall point of this article. It seems to be confirmed from many different scientific sources/medical professionals that a lot of the initial response to the virus was hysterical and unjustified. That we are still being haunted and threatened by our local governments over all of this seems to me to be pure psychological warfare aimed at stifling dissent from Trump supporters and Republicans in general.

    What really sticks out to me in this whole discussion of science and public policy is that it now seems pretty obvious that the Democrats in America and their globalist friends in NGOs worldwide have been trying to do the same thing with “climate science” for at least the last 20 years and we only barely dodged that bullet with Trump dropping out of the Paris Climate Accords. The rhetoric around climate science started getting ever more shrill until it just came to a screeching halt because nobody was really buying into the idea that we only have 10 more years to live before the Earth becomes completely uninhabitable. But obvious they were trying to use “science” (which nobody outside of a very narrow political group can verify) to crush the American economy and force us into various global pacts that redistribute wealth and reorganize our economy. Now that I have witnessed the political virus propaganda, I am a lot less likely to believe that we need huge public policy shifts to solve the climate crisis.

    And really, now that science has become a political tool for suppressing political dissent, which is a kind of tyranny of the experts, I am forced to rethink the so-called “Replication Crisis” in the social sciences, which was talked about quite a lot online a few years ago. The Replication Crisis was that most of the so-called facts and conclusions that you have heard from Sociology and Psychology are completely bogus scientifically in that they cannot be replicated as scientific experiments: if you do the exact same study again you will get different results in almost every case. So, when you hear statistics like “83% of drunk drivers vote Republican” or “90% of college age men watch gay porn” and suchlike… the results are really just fiction, even if they come from supposedly vetted scientific sources at Universities. Point being: it’s hard to see how science should inform public policy anymore when The Left is really abusing scientific methods and credentials to push for an agenda that, aside from the fact that it seems scientifically valid, almost nobody would find persuasive. And they are doing this across every aspect of society in order to completely dominate everyone into going along with their seizure of power.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  88. American parochialism. Why would anyone think that corona policies of Russia, most EU, China, Japan…, which are, give or take, the same- would aim to establish some imaginary New World Order?

    Which New World Order would accommodate or unite nations (and their respective elites) of Germany, Japan, India, Indonesia, Egypt, China, Russia, Nigeria, Canada, Brazil, Iran, USA,..?

    Bollocks.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  89. vot tak says:

    Whitney uses israeli propaganda:

    “an article at Haaretz”

    To promote disinformation about Covid-19. The other main point of this article is expressed in these two sections:

    “That’s what’s happening, and the Democrats, the media and the many infectious disease experts are playing key roles in this operation”

    “We have entered a period in which wealthy, globalist oligarchs are using fake science, amplified through their assets in the media and Democrat party,”

    Put the blame on the democrats. The article is cheap likudite zionazi-gay propaganda to aide the republican election campaigns. This has been the underlying gist of whitneys writing lately. I’m surprised he’s not listed as being on staff at trump’s personal propaganda house, oann.

    Trump Goes Off on Fox News, Says It’s ‘Worse Than Fake News CNN’ on Weekend Afternoons

    https://sputniknews.com/us/202008161080189311-trump-goes-off-on-fox-news-says-its-worse-than-fake-news-cnn-on-weekend-afternoons/

    “President Donald Trump took to Twitter Sunday to attack Fox News’ weekend afternoon content, calling it “worse than Fake News @CNN” and recommending that followers ‘turn their dial’ to @OANN,” a network he has repeatedly praised in the past, instead.

    “They do a really ‘Fair & Balanced’ job!’ Trump suggested.”

    • Troll: Peripatetic Itch
  90. It is a bit like the Volstead Act – the Anti-Saloon League and similar ilke spent years lobbying for Prohibition even using arguments about grain supplies in wartime – only to get the 18th Amendement AFTER the War – and reshape society with a Nouveau Riche entrepreneur class of armed bootleggers who mutated into North East hotel barons and well-heeled Gatsby figures in US politics

  91. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Georges G.

    The active ingredient of the drug HCQ is called Quinine.

    Quinine is a naturally occurring substance derived from a certain type of tree park [originating in Peru, if I recall correctly].

    The extract made from the tree bark was used for 100’s, possibly 1,000’s of years by native populations to treat malaria, amongst other things.

    At some point in history the use of the tree bark potion as a malaria cure was “discovered” by Western medicine looking for a malaria cure, and when the active ingredient [Quinine] was isolated, it was put into, amongst other things, a little something called “tonic water” .

    This tonic water was then prescribed as a daily drink for British military personnel stationed in India and elsewhere, as a malaria preventative in the 19th -20th century. That, I believe, is where the popular drink “gin and tonic” got its start.

    Anyhoo, Quinine works by pushing the mineral Zinc inside the individual cell walls.

    With enough Zinc inside the cell, its apparently impossible for a viral, or bacterial invasion of the cell to occur.

    Bottom line: for most people it is probably unnecessary for them to even be prescribed HCQ as a preventative or cure [ unless already seriously ill] .

    All they have to do is drink freely available at the supermarket, quinine-rich tonic water everyday, along with a good zinc supplement .

    DANGER! If a person takes HCQ without having sufficient Zinc in their system, this will definitely cause a severe reaction- its the combination of Quinine and Zinc that does the trick, not HCQ alone.

    There are many good, competing brands of tonic water available- some with sugar and other crap added, others without all the crap [these better, sugar free brands, along with a good Zinc supplement, can usually be found in health food stores and similar, probably even in France].

    Regards, onebornfree

  92. Anon[679] • Disclaimer says:
    @GeeBee

    Bill Gates is the man who at a TED talk publicly stated something like – We need a genocide to save the earth. He is also the man whose “vaccinations” have permanently crippled over half a million children in India and is considered a criminal there with cases against him.

  93. Trinity says:

    I chuckle when I read some of these comments about placing dissenters and nonconformists into the gulags or “FEMA camps. My gawd, YOU PEOPLE are already living in a prison of fear, I can’t imagine living like that nor do I intend to live the only life I have been granted in fear. I am old enough to remember a time in America where it was common for people to say, “I don’t agree with him but I will defend his right to say it.” WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY? When people claim that MOST PEOPLE are just sheep and will follow whoever is in charge, I used to give people more credit, but now, I just don’t know, especially with the White race. WE have become a race of COWARDS. My gawd, our forefathers who braved the Indians and the British army are turning over in their graves.

    Back to the (((covid-19 virus))) and its effect on the typical American psyche regardless of age or demographic. I live in a “collage” town, and that probably explains why I see healthy, young and virile males and females walking, jogging and going about their lives, while wearing masks in 90+ degree heat. I see this guy jogging in this type of heat, dude must be twenty something, not an ounce of fat, and he is wearing a mask. At the same time I see an old fart, even older than me, walking around the town square without a mask. Next time, I think I will park the clunker and get out and shake the guy’s hand for being a rational human being.

    This is a TEST RUN, people. The evil Dr. Evil wants to see how ridiculously stupid and fearful the sheep really are and how much you are willing to obey. There is no mandatory mask wearing outside in my state, but completely healthy people, ( more mask wearers than non mask wearing people) are willing to endure 90 degree heat, be uncomfortably hot, because they are so brainwashed by the LYING (((media.))) HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE LIED TO BY THE SAME PEOPLE BEFORE YOU STOP BELIEVING THE BULLSHIT? Even in the tale of the boy who cried wolf, eventually people stopped believing. Throw some cold water on your face, and WAKE UP PEOPLE.

  94. Trinity says:

    I saw what had to be the dumbest thing yet since this manufactured virus took hold in America. I watched a masked family get out of their car and walk into a Mexican restaurant while still wearing the masks. Now, we all know that this family is going to have to remove their masks inside the restaurant to eat the food. Now, think about it, are you safer outside breathing the fresh air and taking in the vitamin D enriched sun rays or are you safer inside a small Mexican restaurant in a tourist town that receives visits from all kinds of people from neighboring states and states that are not that close?

  95. GeeBee says:
    @Hans Vogel

    Very well said sir. It appears that there are more and more of ‘us’ as time goes on. Perhaps we shall live to see the day when the names ‘Churchill’ and ‘FDR’ are used to denote the worst of all possible human characteristics, thus giving these contemporary ‘saints’ their just desserts, and piling them, at last, atop the pantheon of human demonology where they so richly belong. (And dare one hope that the ‘Noble Wolf’ who so equally wrongly sits atop that pile today might by than be a candidate for canonisation?)

  96. Even if what you say is true, how would the powerless public go about achieving parity with all powerful and well funded oligarchs like Bill Gates & George Soros?

  97. sonofman says:

    Now that the validity and mortality of the Covid-19 “Virus” has failed under actual scientific and statistical scrutiny, maybe people will begin to reevaluate the mechanisms of how the human body fights disease, and it’s symbiotic relationship with bacteria.

    The science behind Virology is just as dubious as that of Psychiatry.

    “Virus” is the name given to antigens of dead pieces of bacteria only found in a laboratory environment.

    No pathogenic or replicating virus has ever been isolated in a living human being or animal.

    The Spanish Flu of 1918 was a vaccine induced living bacterial lung infection.

    Tuberculosis, the most deadly respiratory sickness today, is caused by a living and breeding bacteria.

    Vaccines are man-made biological weapons containing toxic chemicals and/or attenuated bacteria designed to trigger an immune response.

    Please, read Dr. Stefan Lanka: https://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf

    • Thanks: Kali, Polemos
  98. BiloxiMarx says: • Website
    @obwandiyag

    Money screams US$ into the history bin, BIG pHARMa is Mengele at work since WWII. Great reporting Mike Whitney! Swan Song happened at UN sanctions on Iran ~ an ember on a hill dying out USA attempted to AGAIN fool all Earth people. Checkmate Globalist Ghouls.

  99. Interesting article.
    I believe we are in the hands of:
    The Cabals of COVID -19


    The world has been captured by the Cabals of COVID-19
    Most small businesses have become bankrupt, and are now, “has beens”
    Global conglomerates are now in most countries, and have total control
    You will have to use “their services,” they will own your body and soul

    The banking brotherhood are in control of the money system
    They will be able to decide, and hold you for monetary ransom
    Wherever you live, will be where you are held, as an “agreeable” prisoner
    In this “nice dictatorship” run by “honourable puppets” and political ministers…

    [much more info on this at link below]

    https://graysinfo.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-cabals-of-covid-19.html  

    • Agree: Trinity
  100. “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled!”
    Every time I post that attributing it to Mark Twain – some nimbob says he didn’t say it.
    Does it matter?
    My proof of the simple truth of the statement is this – go to your nearest Walmart or any grocery store – I don’t give a rat’s who said it first!
    Case closed!

    • Agree: Trinity
  101. @Tom Welsh

    That’s a fascinating viewpoint emanating from the UK.

    I rather think I’m going to have to contact The Ministry of Section Five Public Order Offences and suggest that your affairs be closely scrutinised Mr. Welsh.

  102. ariadna says:
    @obwandiyag

    “Liar. Or Idiot.”
    Undecided as to which to confess to?

  103. Fred777 says:
    @Saggy

    Those countries aren’t $27 trillion in debt and looking for an escape hatch.

  104. gsjackson says:
    @Miro23

    And “day one” was the day after impeachment came a cropper.

  105. JimDandy says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks very much for your thorough and informative reply. (BTW, I don’t use the phrase “conspiracy theory” negatively–it’s an neutral phrase, in my opinion.) There should be a lead Unz article on this subject. Whattya say, Ron? Disclaimer could write it.

  106. sally says:
    @anonymous

    “to drastically and irrevocably” change the “fundamental structure of society” to establish a totalitarian world order. (Quote: from CJ Hopkins) That’s what’s happening, and the Democrats, the media and the many infectious disease experts are playing key roles in this operation that’s bound to continue until its objectives are achieved.

    first off those persons that missed the mark by such a massively wrong estimate cannot be experts.
    I refuse to allow any kind of label to be applied to them that suggest expertise..

    @ndly if the media says it, then obviously it is something about the message is a lie.

    @rdly the last time a Democrap or a Reputaturd spoke the truth was the day before they were born.

    Actually I think the new society is going to be a bunch of little ones. FEW care what globalst say, no one worth his or her salt uses banks any more, most people are so far in USA dollar debt they will move to any new system that does not reflect their past credit, the new script based in local production and local trade.. Tomatoes, corn, foodstuffs, and medicines are being black market produced. I think this is going to be the new deal.. move all commerce from the monopoly powered corporations back into the local…. never ever buy anything from a brand name or trade name. never. many here I have talked to have agreed among themselves not to buy anything from Amazon or over the Internet.

  107. Tim too says:
    @Yukon Jack

    The mask is the new tinfoil hat.

    • LOL: Polemos
  108. @obwandiyag

    Coronavirus is a random death sentence. I notice you don’t mention internal organ damage. Which takes a few years to kill you.

    __

    Did you learn about this from the NYT, Salon, Huffington Post, MSNBC, CNN? Or a little of each?

  109. @Afterthought

    NO! If mask do anything at all, they help CREATE the PANIC!

  110. @obwandiyag

    the virus that causes Covid-19, infiltrates many organs in the body SILENTLY causing potentially life-threatening damage, even among asymptomatic individuals.

    Infiltrating all parts of the body is what viruses do. They enter the DNA code. All viruses SILENTLY cause potential life-threatening damage even among asymptomatic individuals. Got a wart? Silent potentially life-threatening virus. Viruses often cause rashes or warts after they are “encoded”.

  111. Jerzy says:

    A death rate is 0.1% represents 7.8 million people or the combined populations of 54 of the smallest countries in the world (close to 25% of the number of countries in the world) or the entire populations of Hong Kong, Laos, or Switzerland. Or to put it US perspective, the entire populations of MT, RI, DE, SD, ND, AK, DC, VT, and WY (eight states and DC) combined.

    Saying that 99.9% of the population has survived the pandemic is premature. That line would be correct if the pandemic is over and we are looking back on the situation five or ten years in the future. It is very misleading when you are in the middle of it and is no consolation to families who lost several members to the disease.

    It’s like the captain of the Titanic saying after hitting the iceberg, “There is nothing wrong. We’re fine. We’ve taken on a few gallons of water.” Ask him six hours later about that response. Oh yeah, he can’t answer you, he went down with the ship.

  112. ariadna says:
    @mh505

    To have done such a serious analysis of the article and drawn such a well-thought out conclusion means you must have way “too much time on your hands.” One has to “wonder about the state of mind of “someone like you.

  113. @Anon

    People die from the flu in much the same way, I would think. I guess there is this Covid-19 going around but to what extent we can trust the stats I really can’t tell.

    But I think the response is out of proportion to the threat. The panic, hysteria, and fearmongering by the authorities and the media is doing more harm than good. Anxiety, fear, panic, stress, and depression are probably now responsible for more psychosomatic illnesses and even deaths than Covid-19 and could even exacerbate the illness in those suffering from it. One would even expect an increase in suicides resulting from the loss of livelihood due to the lockdowns, especially in Third World countries without social security. The impacts of the response have been dreadful and the authorities have not behaved responsibly, but then it’s not as if they care about the people.

  114. @Commentator Mike

    Herd immunity is not instant, because viruses mutate. Herd immunity never eliminates the possibility of symptomatic infection, it only reduces it.
    The mortality rate for measles in the 1920s was thought to be about 30% and about 80% of those attributable to pneumonia caused by the measles virus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1975146/
    Before vaccinations started in the early 60s, the mortality rate for measles was similar to seasonal flu. Virtually every child in the 1950s had measles at some point. Vaccinations for measles started after “herd immunity” had been achieved. Measles still exists today, even in those who have been vaccinated, but the mortality rate is minescule.
    Again, herd immunity does not mean people will not get an infection, and it does not mean people getting that infection will not die. It means that the risk of contracting and dying is massively reduced.

  115. @onebornfree

    I’m all for a global uprising and revolution of whatever flavour as long as it’s against all these globalists in charge and their world order. But I hope the revolutionaries seize all the navies and air forces so they can chase the elites to the ends of the Earth if they should try to get away from justice … and most of the celebrities and other “influencers” too.

  116. Kali says:
    @theMann

    I don’t know of one. but that is the definition of what mid-level radiation poisoning does to people.

    You raise a good point, theMann. Particularly as discussion of the negative health impacts of 5g and other radioactive tech has been so exhautively censored from the Internet and other media.

    I just now saw a video (on a friends phone, so no link) of an English woman in Sweden describing people arriving at hospital, in areas where 5g is live, with symptoms of radiation poisoning (or “covid19” if you prefer – same thing) NOT being given oxygen, but rather paracetamol. If they don’t respond to the paracetamol they’re then put on ventilators… to die. Probably.

    This is a topic, noticeable by its absence from the debate.

    Read, The Invisible Rainbow, by A. Firsternberg. (Free download at archive.org. )

    Thanks,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  117. @GeeBee

    History being full of radical inversions and turns of fate, what you are saying is not at all inconceivable. However, I believe it would be best if there were no canonisations, at least not of the kind that leaves no room for criticism or doubts.

    Wouldn’t you agree that a historical position like that of, say Napoleon I, is preferable? A hero to many, a villain to others, his name is no longer offensive to anyone, apart from the occasional diehard.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  118. Emslander says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    I’ll go out on a limb here to declare every reader of Unz had already arrived at this article’s conclusions.

    My favorite movies are ‘The Truman Show” and “The Matrix”. Both of those brilliant portrayals of modern mentality illustrate what we have here. What we have is a widespread manipulation of the weak minds that make up most of the consciousness of current humanity.

    I’m really not sure whether it’s 1. a conspiracy of bankers to corral the populace into a more monetizable audience, 2. the Deep State executing a well-researched defense of its existence against the new nationalists or 3. the quick adoption and exploitation by threatened interest groups of an accidental flu that showed up last fall in China.

    I am sure that it’s a mental illness of some kind. Mental illnesses (maybe only neuroses) are so much more spreadable in our world in this communication age. I actually remember life before mass communications. Sure, there was radio and the daily newspaper, but only with television and now with screens of all kinds did the masses get all their information and every daily emotional response from distant sources with powerful mind controlling electronic applications.

    When I was a child, I remember adults, mostly men, having intelligent and calm conversations about stuff that they knew from actual experiences, like local accidents, bad weather, crop conditions, incidents at the factory or family matters. We now discuss stuff that we never experience, except in our minds, controlled by powerful media. That is mental illness. Covid19 is a mental illness.

    • Agree: Trinity, American Citizen 2.0, gsjackson, Alfred
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  119. Kali says:
    @Jerzy

    If only there was a “shill” tag available, I’d use it on that obviously shilly comment.

    Are you enjoying the change from shilling about “global warming”? To be honest your efforts read like exactly the same script applied to a different, new, novel crisis.

    Aren’t you bored with the Chicken Little fear porn yet?

  120. vengeance says:
    @bob jones

    you got the tinfoil hat cuckface… which is why you’re fucked and your whole world is crumbling…

    first . the only thing i said was that i would hunt this guy’s spirit down in eternity and wipe it out… g d willing of course. not sure you can prove that “utterly false”…

    next . your fantasy “virus” that has destroyed your childrens economic future and is going to send you yourself into a depression you cannot imagine the likes of , was never sequenced . see:

    third. even if i buy your faggot girly cooties theory , which i dont and never will , the damned thing has a 99.7% recovery rate and most so-called cases are mild to asymptomatic .

    4) eff you and all like you – you are going to hell for destroying your progeny’s prospects… and being an ignorant atheist scumbag .

    more for you , even though it far too late… it’s an exosome and the rt-pcr is a sham you g dless pig – watch the following and prepare to enjoy your hellscape poverty stricken future :

  121. Coronavirus is one of the biggest scams in the world and is being pushed by the zionists as part of the destruction of America and their bringing in their satanic one world government as part of UN Agenda 2030.

  122. GuestAug says:

    But what if a drastic re-structuring of the world is badly needed. What if we are on the brink of an environmental catastrophe caused by an over-consumption of the world’s non-renewable resources by the “golden billion” fortunate to be born in the “developed” West. What if a few “third-world” nations (especially the ones with nukes) have said, either you (the West) cut back or we will increase our level of consumption to your level even if it means making the Earth uninhabitable?

    Just imagine every Indian and Chinese consuming as much stuff as the average Westerner?

    Over the past 70 years, the West (led by the US) has followed this strategy outlined in a 1948 State Department plan:

    … we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.

    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1948v01p2/d4

    Maybe the people in charge know the rest of the world has had it and that the West will need to endure some major belt-tightening. What better way to bring this about than a (real or fake) pandemic?

  123. Article and comments read like I’ve landed on Gilligan’s Island.

    Nationally, we have Draconian Bottle Babies on one side and Anti-Mask Gilligans on the other.

    No reason, no debate here.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  124. Translated from german to english :

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.impfkritik.de%2Fpressespiegel%2F2020032201.html

    The coronavirus bet: € 100,000 for virus proof!

    [MORE]

    Fig.
    Driven by irrational fears and under the guise of health care, we are currently threatened with a dictatorship based on the Chinese model. In order to finally force a factual discussion, the medical journalist Hans UP Tolzin has now offered prize money of 100,000 euros for scientific proof that respiratory diseases can really be caused by a coronavirus.

    Last change: March 24, 2020, 10:00 a.m.
    (justification for March 11, 2020 specified, see addendum)

    As early as 2003, I researched the real facts behind the scare tactics of the first alleged SARS pandemic. I published the results in my book “The Epidemic Inventors”. Today we know that the scaremongering was in vain, but we obviously didn’t learn anything from it. But on the contrary!

    Fig.Respiratory diseases are very common, especially in cold times of the year, and can have a wide variety of causes and contributory causes. The responsible doctor must also take these possible causes and contributory causes into account when making a diagnosis if he is to help his patients effectively. This comprehensive anamnesis and diagnosis is also called differential diagnosis.

    In 2003, I did not find any convincing evidence for the existence of a disease-causing virus in the numerous publications on SARS, and neither did I find any evidence of today’s successor pandemic SARS-2. From my point of view, the current measures are irresponsible scaremongering and completely unjustified violations of our fundamental rights.

    Scare tactics are irresponsible!

    There is no evidence, in my view, of a causal relationship between virus detection and disease, except in the minds of virologists and those who listen to them in an increasingly fear-driven society. According to the laboratory test, anyone can be virus-positive – and be and remain completely healthy. It does not occur to me that the current laboratory tests can say anything about the cause of a disease – or a health.

    I therefore proclaim:

    There is no evidence of a disease-causing SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus
    Rather, there are questionable laboratory tests that apparently have never been properly calibrated
    The virologists completely wrongly claim the absolute authority to interpret the diagnosis as soon as one of their questionable laboratory tests has a positive result.
    In addition, there is a general unwillingness throughout conventional medicine to demand a proper differential diagnosis.
    There is no real technical discussion about the issue of virus detection and the real causes of accumulated severe respiratory diseases

    In order to change that, I am calling out a reward of 100,000 euros to be paid out to those who can present me with a scientific publication about a successful attempt at infection with the specific SARS-CoV-2. The attempt at infection must have reliably led to respiratory diseases in the test subjects.

    The deadline for the payment of 100,000 euros is

    the day on which I have to publicly admit that I was wrong because someone presented me with a valid scientific publication that meets my requirements, or

    the day on which a court finally sentenced me to pay the prize money.

    After the deadline, I will initially pay the person providing evidence within one month EUR 10,000 and the rest within a year.

    If I have not received such evidence by December 31, 2020, the public bet will be forfeited. The bet amount collected up to then will then be used in full for phase 2 of my public bet. I will announce what it is on January 1st, 2021.

    Conditions for proving a disease-causing coronavirus SARS-CoV-2

    The laboratory test used to identify the virus must be calibrated using the highly purified virus, ie it must be free of foreign particles and chemicals, in a biologically neutral solution such as B. distilled water. The calibration of the test must have been documented in a publication and confirmed at least once by another, completely independent, research group.
    The properly calibrated virus detection may only have determined the specific virus in the sick person until the infection attempt has been carried out, but not in the healthy person.
    An infection attempt with test persons, but at least primates, must have been carried out successfully.
    This attempt at infection must have been successfully followed at least once by a second research group that is completely independent of the first research group.
    The successful infection attempt may only be carried out with the highly purified pathogen. Nothing may be mixed in. Exception: a biologically neutral solvent such as B. distilled water.
    The attempt at infection must take into account the natural routes of infection, e.g. B. by spraying the virus as an aerosol into the breath of test subjects or primates.
    The infection attempt must have been carried out with a group of at least 5 people or primates – and successfully with all of them.
    A second, comparable and randomly compiled test group must have been given a placebo – which was not externally recognizable as such – in exactly the same way. Reliable blinding must be guaranteed so that the study staff was able to grasp the symptoms that occurred without being influenced.

    If the scientific publication that is presented to me does not cover all eight points, but refers to one or more other publications, these must also be submitted.

    It is not enough to send me one or more internet links by email. The publications must be sent to me in the original or as a copy, also as a PDF file, in an easily readable form and in German or English.

    The publication must be accompanied by a detailed justification in German and at least 4,000 characters long. The basis for the payment of the prize money is this justification – but of course only if it is 100% supported by the accompanying publication.

    Publication and justification must be sent either by email to the email address below or by post to the postal address below. The day on which I received it applies for the expiry of the period.

    The person claiming the prize money must be ready for a public dispute, ie they must not remain anonymous.

    The successfully conducted infection experiment and the independent confirmation that the publication to be submitted refers to must have been carried out before March 11, 2020, i.e. before the World Health Authority (WHO) declared the pandemic.

    I reserve the right to adapt or specify the conditions should this prove necessary. The terms and conditions that were online on this website at the time the publication was submitted apply.

    The bet is on!

    Original website :

    https://www.impfkritik.de/pressespiegel/2020032201.html

  125. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Walking around with large amounts of cash and flashing it is an exercise in insanity at the best of times. With people getting financially desperate, personal security is something we need to take even more seriously than we normally do. Carry only small amounts of cash in the city and use cards as much as possible. If you are traveling long distances between cities, carrying more cash than usual might be wiser because small towns are more into the underground economy. I’m talking about the US mainly here, if you are in the third world the situation is completely different and cash is still king.

  126. @Jerzy

    You’re looking at it the stupid way.

    .1% death rate is exactly the same as the flu.

    TB is a thousand times worse than covid.

    Your argument makes no sense.

    Maybe you should just hide under your bed for the next ten years.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  127. Agent76 says:

    July 8, 2020 Why the Bill Gates global health empire promises more empire and less public health

    Behind a veil of corporate media PR, the Gates Foundation has served as a vehicle for Western capital while exploiting the Global South as a human laboratory. The coronavirus pandemic is likely to intensify this disturbing agenda.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/07/08/bill-gates-global-health-policy/

    Jun 13, 2020 Who Is Bill Gates? (Full Documentary, 2020)

    Just in time for #ExposeBillGates Global Day of Action, The Corbett Report is releasing the full Who Is Bill Gates? documentary in a single upload.

  128. Marty says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Insightful post. I’ll just top it off with a story that might supply some insight about post-Reagan American culture. Back in ‘00, I was walking behind two young women on the Berkeley campus, one black, one white. The black girl was explaining multiculturalism to the white. She said, “there’s no better or worse, there’s just different.” Somehow, this has become the new American religion for anyone under about 50, and especially for women. You might remember that during his campaign, Trump violated this orthodoxy at least twice, once when he called some Latina “fat,” and again when he referred to Haiti or Syria or wherever as a “shithole country.” As you imply, Americans have never heard a President, or any authority figure, talk like that. I think the last time anyone in public life uttered anything similar was Earl Butz, Nixon’s agriculture secretary, in 1972. Even then, he had to resign.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  129. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Emslander

    My favorite movies are ‘The Truman Show” and “The Matrix”. ”

    What! No “They Live” ?????? 😎.

    Regards, onebornfree

  130. Trinity says:
    @Oldtradesman

    WHY “debate” an OBVIOUS HOAX?

    I probably have a better shot at hitting the Powerball Lottery Jackpot than I do of dying FROM the coronavirus. Granted, I could die of a heart attack and I wouldn’t doubt that they MIGHT find TRACES of (((covid-19))) in my system. hehe. Well, did he die of a heart attack or corona-rona, Dr. Smelter?

  131. Alfred says:

    Deaths in Australia

  132. @Robert Dolan

    @Jerzy
    You’re looking at it the stupid way.

    .1% death rate is exactly the same as the flu.

    TB is a thousand times worse than covid.

    Your argument makes no sense.

    Maybe you should just hide under your bed for the next ten years.

    @Jerzy is likely from a generation where teachers taught kids to stay safe by hiding under their school desk in the event the Soviets attacked America with a nuclear bomb.

    “If conquering fear is the beginning of wisdom, then allowing fear to control one’s behaviour is ignorance”.

  133. @Desert Fox

    A group that could foment the Russian revolution; provoke two world wars; blatantly steal the land and culture of Palestinian people, using other people’s money, military and political cover; engineer the near-total destruction of Germany and other nations in Europe; blame it on the victims and for the next X years blackmail “reparations” out of the German victims — well, the Covid scam is small potatoes.

    The core of this group has several thousand years experience in pulling such destructive scams, including the invocation of “plagues.”

    Nothing novel about Covid, it’s a well-rehearsed pattern.

    According to archeologist (and arch-zionist) Eric Cline, Joshua’s battle plan for the conquest of Canaan
    https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Scholar-History-Ancient-Patriarchs/dp/B001JHT8CY
    gave evidence of well-developed military tactics and long-range planning and execution
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+1&version=NIV

    • Agree: Alfred
  134. Mefobills says:
    @anon

    Walking around with large amounts of cash and flashing it is an exercise in insanity at the best of times.

    Carry cash, enough to satisfy muggers. If you wallet comes up empty they might off you because you pissed them off.

    There are ways to discretely pull cash out of your wallet while in the check out line. Social distancing insures that the next person is some distance away.

    Always carry cash in case of a shit hit the fan scenario, or if there is some sort of EMP and electronics go down.

  135. mh505 says:
    @Georges G.

    I am sorry to say so – but one has to wonder about the state of mind of the persons who still engage with this commenter. Do you all have too much time on your hands? Or have you not understood that this guy is entirely loco?

  136. Mefobills says:
    @Hans Vogel

    Wouldn’t you agree that a historical position like that of, say Napoleon I, is preferable? A hero to many, a villain to others, his name is no longer offensive to anyone, apart from the occasional diehard

    .

    There is no way to get around that civilization requires a hierarchy.

    The people would have to agree to some sort of breeding restrictions. Most people want their children to be healthy and well-bred.

    Eugenics can be done in a semi-volunteer way where they are offered choices. There is no need for perpetually growing populations that need Malthusian culling, as that which occurs in the minds of self appointed oligarchic demigods.

    In a mulit-culti tower of babel like the U.S., it would require race specific fertility boards, where some dysgenic people are encouraged to not breed. Or, dysgenic women can be implanted with superior eggs while using the husband’s sperm. Women that are birth mothers still have a “mothers” attachment to the offspring even if it is not her DNA. Or, she can have one free dysgenic kid with her and her husbands sperm, while #1 has to be superior. Number 2 is only allowed if TFR (total fertility rate) is below the target level.

    Condoms can also be made and distributed for free, and women are shamed for unwed pregnancy – perhaps even jailed for the transgression.

    The idea is to think in a long term way, where you control births and then ultimately reduce populations to an Eugenic high standard.

    But, this notion that you have to kill off people with diabolical schemes is evil, and takes agency away from the population.

    It would probably take a King system to enforce a hierarchy with selective breeding restrictions. China could certainly do it. A modern Napoleon could do it.

    It is much better to block the sperm and egg from joining that killing people after they are born, hence people like Bill Gates and other Malthusians are psychopaths. Putting it in perspective, an authoritarian Fascist or King state is more benign than supposed “democracies” which in turn are controlled by hidden string pullers.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
    , @mastodon
  137. @obwandiyag

    From your media hysteria article:
    “The COVID-19 virus has a link with myocarditis at a higher frequency than other viruses [how much higher???], “based on limited studies and anecdotal evidence since the start of the pandemic,” according to ESPN.

    Nice try, tard.

  138. Mike y0u are partially right. But you are wrong on points. One, there still is no proof of a “virus”. No one has completed the proofs per the standards of Koch’s Postulates. So, we have the common cold and common flu being lumped together with pneumonia. Then, we have NEW CDC guidelines issued April 2020, to allow doctors to call ANY death WHATEVER the major cause, as a Covid death if the doctor thinks the victim MIGHT have also had some cold or flu SYMPTOMS. No testing required. So, the death counts are all fake and inflated. Ergo, no pandemic, no need for any lockdowns.

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
  139. @Afterthought

    Masks stop the Breathing.

    They also create tension between the plebs who don’t wear masks and the plebs who obey their masters, just what the doctor ordered to create further division and alienation within the ruled class.

  140. Currently do not have the time to read all the comments. Pity, because they can be highly informative. Main point is this: Because of the constant and consistent mindfuck memes flooding the kept media, a massive majority of the mind-Kontrolled sheeple are simply going with the flow of the “normal” take on the whole operation. Therefore, it behoves those of us who maintain open minds and get most of our information from uncontrolled sources to (1. maintain our vigilance and (2. RESIST.

    We are not a minuscule minority. In our ruptured republic there are tens of millions of awakening and aware individuals. Keep up the flow of information. Stay in contact with fellow resistors. Share your insights and observations. Remember the words of Lincoln..”they cannot fool all the people all the time.”

    • Agree: Kali
  141. hfel says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Why didn’t Russia, certainly not in the lap of the West, not pursue similar non-policy and hence come out at the top?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  142. Trinity says:

    The so-called, “elites” aren’t elite at all. I don’t know what kind of world we have become where pedophiles, sexual deviants, backstabbers, misanthropic paranoid Zionist psychopaths, cowardly political whores, and an assortment of other fruits, nuts and flakes are heralded as “elite.” My guess is that none of the “elite” have done anything special other than TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, while contributing nothing of any value to humanity. Calling scumbags, “the elite” is as asinine as calling those fascist dweebs rioting in the street, “liberals,” nothing “liberal” about those fascist scum.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Alfred
  143. @Anon

    Have you considered that your “healthy seventy year old relative” could have been assassinated by the Russians? It sounds suspicious. Was there an autopsy?

  144. @bob jones

    Funny, that’s true here too.

  145. @Bardon Kaldian

    Perhaps you have heard that Lukashenko said the IMF tried to bribe him with nine billion dollars loans to get him to dictate a lockdown? And now he suddenly faces a color revolution. Do you think that the European Union and NATO countries have free will? Do you not that countries outside the free world had reason to think they could be under Bio warfare attack?
    Bollocks. (A typical Yugoslav expression, no?)

  146. Thomasina says:
    @Georges G.

    Thank you, Georges G. This is exactly the way I had heard it too, but I didn’t have the dates. Good on you!

  147. @Mefobills

    The main problem inherent in every political system is that they are run by people. People being what they are, sooner or later any organization, any state will run into trouble because of it.

    German-Italian sociologist Robert Michels wrote fascinating studies on this phenomenon. And wasn’t it Aristotle who observed that democracies inevitably transform into autocracies?

    Most businesses and firms do not survive three generations. With the third generation, every political system will have become corrupted for the very reason you state:

    Most people want their children to be healthy and well-bred.

    Monarchy has advantages, especially for big countries. Small nations rather thrive with more individual liberties. Rousseau pointed this out long ago.

    If anything at all can be learned from history it is that things change, but only superficially. It is because people do not change that underneath, everything stays the same.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  148. @Anonymous

    I have little doubt that these are connected and coordinated. Corona thing, then Floyd thing followed by riots. One big happy matrix of long-organized events.

    Frankly, I started to laugh when I saw the initial clip of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck. With, of course, a camera perfectly trained on them from the start and non-wobbling. I never heard who the camera person was nor have seen him/her interviewed. Why? Where a video piece by someone else showing the larger scene including that videographer? HELLO?

    Then when all the highly-organized city protests get launched INSTANTLY with people all dressed in black and boxes of bats and pallets of bricks being delivered — oh, for crying out loud, the Floyd thing was a false flag.

    Toss in that it occurred in a state with an extreme Leftist AG who is Antifa and the fact that he likely over-charged Chauvin on purpose so he can’t be convicted at that level.

    Scams are constant and everywhere!!

  149. @onebornfree

    Your good tempered self will never be on my Commentators to Ignore list. Your amiable Americanismo lifts my spirits. But surely our genius host could, as a 60th birthday present to himself, write a satire on the American centred mentail [intellectual? – No] world of the American bees which buzz round his hive. True, satire might be temperamentally too hard for one who is immediately presented with the choice of delivering skull crushing hammer blow or perfectly placed rapier thrust but maybe John Derbyshire could be enlisted to provide the fun. And please don’t take this as an insult or even supercilious de haut en bas judgement. While I am appalled at what UR and other blogs disclose about potentially voting humanity** your presence is, if I may say so without sounding condescending, amiable.

    ** I think America’s once superbly advanced constitution (including SCOTUS decisions) is now an almost impossible hindrance to the country’s world position of leadership or dominance. I once wrote scenario for TAC – which was never published – that sketched a real world path toward a more Westminster style parliamentary arrangement which could not only curb disastrous administration but make Congress more powerful and responsible. You night find it interesting to read The Economist issue of about (I think) a year (2?) ago which argued that the Australuan electoral system(s) were very good at electing centrist governments. Mind you there have had to be changes made, fortunately not requiring constitutional amendment, which is not easy even in Australia, to prevent odd ball independents being elected too readily to the Senate and thereby requiring some very strange compromises.

  150. What’s trending? It’s all about TECHNOCRACY taking over the system. It is a coup d’etat in a systematic way.

    The future has been planned for a long time.

    Interestingly, ELON MUSK’S Grandfather was one of the founders of TechnocracyInc (see Technocracyinc.org to study what has been planned since at least the 1930s but what is now possible unlike the 1930s).

    Technocracy is an economic system based on energy and about Social Engineering humans to conform to THEIR technocracy….It will NOT, in their view being about Technology serving humans.

    It will be 100% automated. 100% Scientific-technocratic dictatorship.

    The late Antony Sutton wrote a book with Patrick Wood – Trilaterals Over Washington

    Patrick Wood has been researching Technocracy for decades:

    https://www.technocracy.news/

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  151. Man goes to see a doctor.
    Doctor: Do you have a fever?
    Patient: No.
    Doctor: Do you have a cough?
    Patient: No.
    Doctor: Do you have a loss of smell?
    Patient: No.
    Doctor: So we will put you down for asymptomatic Covid.

    • LOL: Trinity
  152. @Wizard of Oz

    I meant to add that I am quite aware of America’s ability to elect centrist government in the sense of its being acceptable (just) to those who provide the big money in a plutocracy. Where the American exceptionalism finds its big toehold I don’t fully understand. Maybe a combination of The Lobby and Neocon hubris and lunacy amongst those who, like ex Trotskyites (Cp. Christian missionaries) was a Ranger force ready to enlist if the direction could be sold to them.

  153. Memejon says:
    @Yukon Jack

    I think humans should wear hats…

  154. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    You are further proof that some people have low IQs and that IQ matters.

    We also notice that you failed to mention the origin of AIDS, Africa.

  155. @Wizard of Oz

    “Australian electoral system”, eh? Whatever happened to Gough Whitlam? Canned by the filthy Quean’s own Governor General. Why don’t the Aussies wise up and kick the monarchy in the ass?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  156. Wally says:
    @Hans Vogel

    said:
    “like a modern Dr. Mengele, wants to subject us all to medical experiments.”

    – Your laughable Zionist indoctrination is showing.

    – There is no proof that Mengele did what is laughably alleged.

    recommended:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=mengele&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

  157. @Marty

    when he referred to Haiti or Syria or wherever as a “shithole country.”

    There is a very important detail related to that one. Trump uttered it (supposedly) in a PRIVATE meeting. Not publicly. Some scum leaker went to the press with it. The specific country being referenced has never been disclosed, that I know if. (There are so many anyway).

    It just fueled more stupid Demtard hysteria. As if other Presidents haven’t been foul-mouthed in private. Have you heard the Nixon tapes? And LBJ was raunchy and a major pig from what I’ve learned.

    Yawn…..

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  158. Pft says:

    Whats coming next?

    I think its clear hair must act as collectors of virus which blow off in a breeze infecting those downwind

    Solution: Mandatory haircuts. Bald is beautiful and safe. Safe Heads for All!

    Its also clear speaking transmits virus. Other than N95 masks they wont block all small aerosols and will cause infection.

    Solution-No talking in public. Communication must be typed or handwritten

    Most infections are caught from Family members in the household

    Solution- Prohibit more than 1 person in a room at one time within the home. Those with more family members than rooms must be broken up and sent to FEMA camps, or live in tents in their backyard (if they have one)

    Its clear many infections must take place on transportation vehicles where social distancing is not possible

    Solution-no passenger may sit closer than 6 ft whether it be car, bus, plane, train unless their is a physical barrier. Enforcement must be strict with massive fines against entities providing transport

    Its clear police may be spreading virus during arrests

    Solution-replace police with robots

    The virus is mainly harmful to the elderly, obese, diabetics and those with comorbidities.

    Solution- these people must not be allowed out of the house except to go to hospitals designated for their exclusive treatment.

    Children may catch the virus even if they don’t get sick, and they cant be trusted to wear masks properly and social distance

    Solution-no school for them. They must stay home. Remember, 1 person per room

    Did I miss anything?

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    , @vot tak
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  159. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @obwandiyag

    Thanks for some sense in this lunatic comment section! Full of virus-deniers, vaccine-deniers, climate-change-deniers… Comments such as this one are like ray of the sun in a storm! Hats off you to for your bravery, too.

    And the political implications make no sense. Lukashenko’s Belarus has always been a thorn in the side of the globohomo – the last anti-capitalist Aryan nation.

    Both Russia and the DPRK – both anti-American – have strict mask régimes. How’s that for a NWO?

  160. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @The Real World

    > “Trump uttered it (supposedly) in a PRIVATE meeting.”

    Why should shithole countries be regarded as anything more? Would you prefer the President to be a liar?

    The proper order is when the Aryan race is at the top, and Negroes at the bottom (or extinct as a species). Of course, it’s impossible in the current sovereignty hysteria, United Nations, where every country has an equal right to existence and to dignity – given by Jesus the Jew, no less!

    Haiti is a shithole and must be regarded as such in international jurisprudence. The Jewnited States of Christian Sodom, too, for that matter.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  161. @Majority of One

    Please don’t waste time with comment which is both vituperative and utterly ignorant. The Quuen is and was totally irrelevant to the way in which the former judge who had been appointed by (via slways accepted advice to the Queen) Gough Whitlam as Governor-General came to the decision to sack Whitlam as PM – after, be it noted, seeking the advice of the then current Chief Justice Barwick and the Labor appointed future CJ Mason. Because the system had in fact worked pretty well – except for emotional angst which was not shared by the bulk of voters who voted heavily against Whitlam in 1976 and again in 1978 – Australians voted against the alternative offered them in the eventual referendum on replacing the Queen as the nominal and formal head of state. What would you have suggested? A directly elected President who might like to imagine that he/she had a popular mandate and so should be allowed to veto bills and dismiss governments at whim? Didn’t we copy enough of the US problems in 1901?

  162. I have tried to tell people the virus is a propaganda event to distract people from the financial crash. Their answer is usually, “what financial crash”. Propaganda works.

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  163. @Adûnâi

    You seem very convinced of the severity of The Virus (see, I’m not denying it, I’m even elevating it) and seem to believe that the policies being put in place in the US and Europe are motivated by a genuine concern for public health. So, please help me understand how to square the following facts:

    1) The politicians have forced businesses to close, curtailed basic human interaction, and have deprived children of going to school

    2) Those same politicians have declared that those who protest the restrictions on personal liberty are irresponsible and guilty of exacerbating The Pandemic.

    3) We were told many times how racist The Virus is because it targets BLACK people like a legion of microscopic Klan members.

    4) Those same politicians, on the other hand, have encouraged and promoted violent BLM/Antifa riots across the major cities of America during The Pandemic. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/10/bill-de-blasio-cancels-all-large-gatherings-except/

    5) Western leaders and media pundits have criticized Lukashenko for not implementing Lockdown.

    6) Those same leaders/pundits are very happy about the protests in Belarus.

    So, all put together, law abiding, hard working people are being told to shutter their places of business to prevent Aunt Jemima from dying, while those same politicians give BLM and Antifa free rein to fill the streets because BLACK LIVES MATTER, as if there is no Pandemic that targets BLACK people.

    Similarly, protest movements in Europe like the Yellow Vests are told to shut it down for public health, but when it comes to overthrowing Lukashenko, to hell with COVID19.

    How do you take any of these “leaders” or their “public health concerns” seriously?

  164. JasonT says:
    @Pft

    Maybe you missed something. The sick minds behind the lockdowns, masks and other social fragmentation mechanisms will assuredly think of more.

  165. dimples says:
    @Adûnâi

    I agree. The number of raving loons on this site make me suspect that it might be a controlled opposition operation.

  166. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Real World

    That’s an excellent observation about the non-wobbling camera and lack of interest from the MSM who the cameraman was.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  167. i offer as circumstantial proof suitable for framing, the following factoids which require little / no scientifical/ medical knowledge, only a little common sense, context of contemporary his story, and an open mind… (oops, there goes a bunch… hhh)
    .
    1. the unprecedented TOTAL lockstep, goosestepping in time to the wurlitzer of propaganda cranked out by, um, bill fucking gates & sorosified dem’rats and the TOTALITY of the mainstream media (not to mention far too much of the so-called alt-media) ? ? ? wait, wha ? the same dumpster diver bill gates (the origin of his company/fortune, look it up, suckers) who succeeded through theft of intellectual property, eliminating competitors, using monopolistic bullying at every turn, AND producing ENDLESS versions of a crappy, crappier, crappiest, most craptastical OS EVAH ! ! !
    …THAT bill gates i am trusting our global health to as self-appointed, self-anointed, Vax Uber Fuhrer ? ? ? really ? that didn’t make anyone blink an eyelash ? geezus, you hu mans are stoopid…
    .
    2. EVERY pandemic/epidemic type situation i have heard of in my life, has always started with the premise that the first order of business was to find ‘patient zero’, and determine their exposures to the vectors that potentially transmitted the virus… that was weirdly downplayed, minimized, then finally rejected as being worthwhile to pursue… other than SOME of the evidence was apparently either clumsily or purposefully eliminated, both in the so-called ‘wet market’ AND the wuhan lab; but that should not preclude a ‘normal’ search for zero and the vector…
    doesn’t it seem curious the political elites seem uninterested in SERIOUSLY tracing down the origins of the virus ? hmmm, seems curious to me…
    .
    3. similarly, serious, credentialed, respected doctors and scientists have made either reasonable questions regarding some indications of man-made origin, or outright stated it has indications of lab origin… those heretofore respectable members of their professions are being censored and ignored… why ? WHY don’t The They want to know if it came from a lab or wherever ? ONE reason which makes good perverted sense, is that it was either a purposeful or accidental release of a lab grown virus for biowarfare, and NONE of the countries involved want the fact that bio-defense labs are thinly veiled bio warfare labs…
    .

    [MORE]

    4. as a general principle, there are a million REAL crackpots, whackjobs, disinfo babblers, and anti-science woo woo practitioners on the inertnet, utube, farcebook, etc, who can blah blah blah their idiotic -if not ‘harmful’- BS 24/7/365, and NO ONE stirs a finger… BUT, let an expert, a group of frontline doctors, an association of over 500 german drs/scientists, frontline nurses, and essentially anyone getting any serious attention from the people, and those heretics are immediately flushed down the memory hole, ignored or pseudo debunked as they deem necessary, all their links censored, the mere mention of them verboten…
    um, that doesn’t seem just a mite suspicious ? ? ? if not, you may be beyond hope…
    .
    5. as far as medical / scientific advise regarding masks, so-called social distancing, lockdown, etc; that has not been an open and serious debate of issues, but mere dictate and fear mongering for no good MEDICAL reasons… (oh, but real good propaganda reasons) the VERY ADVICE and medical papers regarding said issues as advised by WHO, CDC, and Fauci hisownself, are 100% contradicted by THEIR OWN advice BEFORE THE PANDEMIC !! not curious ? ? ?
    .
    6. i have mentioned this before: the propaganda pivot from ‘deaths’ to ‘cases’ SHOULD have been a huge red flag for responsible media investigators, if we actually had any… similarly, the myriad of reporting ‘anomalies’ (which always seem to favor “PANIC!”), bizarre definitions and dragnet ‘diagnosis’ they used to inflate numbers was dog-barkingly obvious, the similar propaganda pivot from ‘COVID-19’, to ‘coronavirus’, to some crawlers i have seen just reporting ‘virus’… um, if you don’t see a problem here, you are sleepwalking…
    .
    7. which leads to the ‘test’, PCR.. i am thinking it is because the test is now being known among a too small fraction of the people (thanks to ‘our’ (sic) watchdog media, right kampers ?) as NOT testing specifically for COVID-19, BUT for ANY CORONAVIRUS ! ! ! THAT is why the pivot to that terminology… again, kampers realize coronavirii is a bunch of different virii, richtig ? ? ? testing ‘positive’ by the PCR test does NOT mean you have COVID-19, just that you have some ubiquitous bit of SOME KIND of coronavirii DNA/RNA in your snotty, disgusting, pig nose…
    shit, i am not even going to repeat the false positive stats, surely the media have bored everyone to death on that necessary topic… *pig snort*
    .
    8. lastly for now, kampers, JUST LIKE 911 where there *just happened* to be massive military exercises on that day simulating airplanes flying into buildings, Vax Uber Fuhrer Gates, Fauci, the rockefellers, etc, etc, etc, have been TALKING ABOUT THIS DAY FOR YEARS AND DECADES, including pandemic ‘exercises’ featuring -tadaaaaaa!- coronavirus du jure ! ! ! surely that is only an innocent coinky-dink, and/or an indication of how super-brainiac smart bill gates is…
    or you could be fleeced sheeple being led to the slaughter…
    your choice…

    • Troll: vot tak
  168. @Adûnâi

    A. You need to work on your reading comprehension. You appear to have misinterpreted what I put forth because your answer makes no sense in relation.

    B. The rest of it just a ramble with no point.

    Suggestion: calm down and think before commenting.

  169. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adûnâi

    It’s refreshing and encouraging to know there is no longer any possible common ground with you vicious POC racists and all that that entails. Why should we bother to reply to you, or vice versa, for as Lenin put it, you’d reply to us and we’d have to reply to you again. It’ll suffice from this point forward to understand we are inimical enemies, for which the continued existence of one necessarily entails the elimination of the other.

  170. vot tak says:
    @Pft

    “Solution: Mandatory haircuts. Bald is beautiful and safe. Safe Heads for All!”

    Your people have been mandating that since long before I was born in pindoland. But only applied to males. No limits on how long a female’s hair could be. Funny how that was allowed given the anti discrimination laws in place about how both genders were to be treated equally. This fixation about male hair length was most pronounced by those of the extreme right. But then mandatory very short hair length against men is special and not negotiable since it reinforces 2 things the right deems sacrosanct. Extreme conformism and a reinforced male homosexual perspective.

    The conformism aspect is obvious, but the gay is more subtle. Short hair in men in the west became popular with exposure to ancient Greek history and art. The 19th century closet gays (and these things by and large ran the west then – still do, actually) liked how those ancient Greek statues of men looked with their short haircuts. They also were quite taken by ancient Greek tollerant attitudes towards male homosexuality.

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  171. @Tom Welsh

    Some reasons the Covid thing has a strong political tinge in the USA.

    — Because Democrats are using it to institute restrictive policies on the population. There are distinct differences in how many Dem Governors are handling it versus Repub Govs. And the relative uniformity in the Dem Governors policies proves they are taking orders from people outside their states. So, there has been serious political engineering here regarding this virus.

    — It’s a Presidential election year! Politics are everywhere.

    — Because of Covid, the Democrats are trying to force a voting scheme that is unheard of in the USA and fraught with inaccuracy and huge potential for cheating. Imagine — Repubs aren’t happy about that scheme.

    — Some percentage of people (incl me) believe the virus scenario may have been created as a joint effort between the Chinese, Dem Party and NWO types.

  172. @Anonymous

    Thanks. Remember Rodney King? The big black guy in NYC supposedly selling single cigarettes on the street? Same thing there.

    Somebody had a non-wavering camera expertly trained, at the proper distance for full-body filming, on the cop and Rodney BEFORE anything wild occurred. Why? Then, bizarrely, the cop tackles him to the ground — over cig selling? Give me a freaking break! The camera smoothly follows them down and all that scurrying ground action too. I don’t remember that videographer making any comments either. A simple bystander using their phone would have — that’s what humans do when they’re astonished.

    I said out loud to myself when I saw the video, “WTF did I just see? That was kabuki theater or I’ll eat my shoes.”

    SO MANY scams we’ve been living through for a long time. And the REAL TELL is when something instantly follows like: the riots after Floyd, the anti-lynching bill after the Smollett charade, the massive media hysteria and business cancellations in NC after the stupid transgender bathroom fraud. Obama’s DOJ already had a lawsuit lined-up to launch on NC within the week. Hello? Because they helped organize it. My bet is Valerie Jarrett (amongst others) is neck-deep in “producing” these theater productions.

  173. @vot tak

    The Greeks, like the Romans who followed, were heavily bisexual (another baddie to you, I’m sure). For an accurate picture of Roman life read the “Autobiography of Petronius Arbiter” or view a bunch of photos (or video) of some of the homes in Pompeii, each of which featured a “herm”–an erect male member. Male sexuality was celebrated and female sexuality was enjoyed.

    But, if you happen to still be stuck within the bowels of the JudieChristy Magick-Mindfuck, you are mired within the mindset of the Old Testicles–books like the bloodthirsty Leviticus. Oh, BTW, I’ve worn my hair shoulder-length (most of the while) since 1969 and am quite aware that repeat “customers” of incarcerational institutions generally tend to shave their heads and cover themselves in tattoos. Does that tell you anything?

    Speaking of closets, methinks thou doth protest too much. Quoting Shakespeare here. Though he was happily married, he wrote all his love-letters to a male friend. Oh, and all the female roles in the Globe Theatre were played by youngish males. Social customs both evolve and devolve and attitudes towards that tend to be highly subjective…depends upon who’s doing the objecting.

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  174. Mike is on the right track, but conceding that there actually is a virus to match the description of the one being hyped as a cause of death is probably a mistake. He does make the observation that there is a category of infectious viruses, but the one single virus that is the basis for the whole pandemic fraud has not been sequenced and identified.

    Until recently there were several different images being circulated which were supposed to be the killer plague virus, all of them cartoonish in appearance. Lately, there is a single cartoonish image being used, which doesn’t appear to be an image from an electron microscope, but at least it is a single, purportedly definitive image.

    The pandemic exists only by declaration. Until a single pathogen is sequenced and can be identified by an accurate, repeatable test, then there is no reason to stipulate the existence of a plague virus.

  175. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Dr. Fauci stated that US infections are understated by as much as 90%.

    Fauci’s “proof” is NO PROOF — just as all his predictions have been hugely wrong (and suspect).

    And it is countries like Japan that had no lockdown, who are now experiencing a ‘second wave.’

    What “wave”? What size and spread? Of what ACTUAL, PROVEN pathogen? And what death-frequency NOT explainable by any other cause, an actually different pathogen or comorbidity? What PROOF that ANY infection-numbers are actually Covid-19? Compare: https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-one-has-died-coronavirus/5717668

    In many cases, physicians, HMOs, nursing homes, geriatric case facilities, Medicare Advantage insurers, or hospitals have claimed or will claim that non-Covid-19 cases involve Covid-19 because Medicare coverage is specially substantial — 20% more than for non-Covid-19 cases — per provisions of Section 3710 of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act [aka “CARES Act”], https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr748/BILLS-116hr748enr.pdf
    CARES Act Section 3710 provides:

    For discharges occurring during the emergency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the case of a discharge of an individual diagnosed with COVID-19, the Secretary (of Health and Human Services) shall increase the weighting factor that would otherwise apply to the diagnosis-related group to which the discharge is assigned by 20 percent.”

    Compare
    * https://revcycleintelligence.com/news/hospitals-ask-for-relief-from-healthcare-fraud-laws-during-covid-19
    * https://www.bassberry.com/news/covid-19-cares-act-funding-facts-and-enforcement-risks-for-the-healthcare-industry/
    * https://www.ropesgray.com/en/newsroom/alerts/2020/04/CARES-Act-Oversight-False-Claims-Act-Risk-under-the-CARES-Act-for-Health-Care-Providers
    * https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiEorK7t6PrAhV_IDQIHandB0IQFjABegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmerhale.com%2F-%2Fmedia%2Ffiles%2Fshared_content%2Feditorial%2Fpublications%2Fwh_publications%2Fclient_alert_pdfs%2F20200626-covid-19-healthcare-fraud-in-a-public-health-emergency.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1ExVLl2uKiXguO43PzSjQs

    Medicare frauds have been, and remain, commonplace. See, e.g., https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/hope-hospice-agrees-pay-32-million-settle-false-claims-act-liability AND https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-indictments-and-law-enforcement-actions-one-largest-health-care-fraud-schemes AND https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.20.4.28

    The 20% higher Covid-19-related Medicare coverage super-incentivizes Covid-19-claim fraud. We do not know how much the Covid-19 infection-rate numbers are inflated by false Covid-19 Medicare claims. But we MUST know:
    (a) that such Medicare-fraud-caused Covid-19-rate inflation has occurred and will continue
    (b) that since the Medicare-covered population (65-and-older) is the most likely to seek medical care for Covid-19-like symptoms or for other causes, such inflation is near-certainly statistically significant.

    Your China versus Sweden comparison rests on junk statistical non-method, ludicrously invalid, for several critical reasons, just one vital reason being that it does not account e.g., these considerations:
    (a) Swedish versus Chinese genetic, dietary, lifestyle, or social differences
    (b) DETAILS of the Chinese quarantine
    (c) DETAILS of the death frequency-distribution in Sweden, including the matter that most deaths were of persons 80 or older and, of those, the plurality occurred in geriatric patient nursing facilities of quality inferior to China’s geriatric healthcare provisions and China’s general healthcare given to pre-geriatric Covid-19-infected Chinese
    (d) Swedish versus Chinese medical methodology differences, including China’s use of Traditional Chinese Medicine, which appears to have borne positive effects in China during the 2003 SAARS pandemic [For a glimpse of some, but not the only, Traditional Chinese Medicine treatments used during the 2003 SARS pandemic, see http://www.itmonline.org/arts/sars.htm .] And be aware that China invented a smallpox vaccine in the 1500s, when European “physicians” were still bleeding people to “cure” virtually every disease — when about 300 years would pass before European scientists would learn that microbial pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi) can cause disease.]
    And compare:

    AND

    Your comment does not answer Mike Whitney’s article or Michael Levitt’s Haaretz article.

    Nor does your comment account
    (a) https://www.rt.com/op-ed/498007-covid-19-myths-lies-exposed/
    OR
    (b) https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-one-has-died-coronavirus/571766

    The former — article (a) — supports the observations and arguments of the articles of Mike Whitney’s and Michael Levitt directly, supports their observations and arguments with medically, logically, and statistically valid added data and analyes your comment does not touch, or imagine.

    The latter — article (b) — provides reason of wondering whether Covid-19’s entirety, or its bulk, is either a hoax or an illusion spawned by negligent or junk “science,” bad “science” not-designed, but utilized, by power-lust and greed.

    I will not waste my time or the time of other readers by spending more words to debunk the rest of your comment’s dross, its malodorously patent garbage. Like the three of your articles I have read, your comment is an amalgam of fallacies and sundry species of toxic dreck.

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    , @map
  176. @Hans Vogel

    “And wasn’t it Aristotle who observed that democracies inevitably transform into autocracies?”

    Just curious. What were all the examples from history that Aristotle gave?

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
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  177. @Desert Fox

    It should be called Cohenavirus.

    • LOL: Trinity
  178. @Hans Vogel

    “From day 1, it was obvious the “virus” did not constitute a threat to the health of most people.”

    No. That wasn’t obvious. Or clear at all. It still isn’t. Hence the precautions across the entire globe. There are still more mysteries and unanswered questions than certainties.

    Mike Whitney presents a number of “answers” and “facts” and “data” that he claims the MSM ignores, yet these raise more questions and put nothing to rest.

    As far as “day 1” – what exactly was “day 1” for our purposes here? I would venture somewhere in February or March.

    So let’s go back to your comments from February and March.

    Oh, wow. You didn’t say anything regarding the virus in February or March.

    You waited until April to proclaim it a hoax on a Saker thread when the concept that it was a hoax or overblown had been well-debated for over a month here.

    So you in particular were not clear on anything and waited until it was acceptable to voice what is purely a political OPINION not a medical or scientific argument.

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    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
    , @Trinity
  179. Mike Whitney,
    Obviously you may not have a child, brother, sister, cousin or a parent who are putting their lives on the line to save others lives from one day to the next! That could be the reason for you to throw this much trash around! I can’t even believe your lack of intelligence along with many of the commentators on this site! Take care and stay safe so you won’t be an additional burden on the healthcare systems!

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • LOL: Anonymousse
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    , @Anonymousse
  180. @obwandiyag

    You know that numerous cardiologists, including one of the Professors of Cardiology at the University of Michigan have proven that story was based on a German study was completely bogus. Didn’t you see the story in NY Times written by a Harvard Ph.D in microbiology that studies are showing lasting T-cell immunity in prior CoVid-19 patients. Where are the studies showing that SARS-CoV-2 is sitting around waiting to destroy vital organs? Before you call Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry a liar, put forward a compelling case or at least some facts. Otherwise, you just a dumb crank who doesn’t know what the BLEEP you are talking about!

  181. @GuestAug

    I think people overestimate wealth in the western world. The people i see around me dont actually shop very much. I noticed consumption was much higher in china and malls were packed constantly. American malls are all going bankrupt because nobody has money.

    • Agree: gsjackson
  182. vot tak says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    A complete 180 in comparison to earlier comments from this person.

    “Nor does your comment account
    (a) https://www.rt.com/op-ed/498007-covid-19-myths-lies-exposed/

    The former — article (a) — supports the observations and arguments of the articles of Mike Whitney’s and Michael Levitt directlly.”

    LOL, that is what zionazi-gay psywar people do, mutually support each other and promote the same message.

    I read the andrews rt article earlier today and was very much unimpressed. IE:

    “Myth 1: Slowing the spread of the virus is a good idea”

    A para or two after that I stopped wasting my time with the garbage. Yeah, let’s just spread “the fun” around and see what happens. RT has been seriously infected/infiltrated with zionazi-gay propaganda this year.

    Looks like loup-boup is just another duplicitous zionazi guardianista. He/she also completely destroyed their own credibility. Much like whitney has done with his last few articles promoting likude zionazi-gay intetests and the reelection of trump.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Loup-Bouc
  183. Polemos says:
    @Kali

    I am sure you’re talking about this video, but this is probably a reupload. As it is, I did notice this other link below comes up but had already been removed for violating “community guidelines.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pe32xly3gM

    My search terms based on your description: sweden paracetamol radiation 5g.

    • Thanks: Kali
  184. @Larry Romanoff

    Odd that onw who jas given so much thought to Cobid19 questions should fail to see that the wearing of maks without their being high grade PPE and expertly used is a means of preventing transmission rather than infection by the virus. Clean hands were emphasised outside Asia to start with bit when it became obvious that spread of airborne droplets was dangerous no one should have been in any doubt that they were being asked to save others from the droplets that started in their throats, nose or lungs.

  185. Polemos says:
    @Jerzy

    Saying that 99.9% of the population has survived the pandemic is premature. That line would be correct if the pandemic is over and we are looking back on the situation five or ten years in the future. It is very misleading when you are in the middle of it and is no consolation to families who lost several members to the disease.

    Suppose there were no SARS-CoV-2 virus loose across the world. From October 2019 to August 2020, how many people worldwide would have died ordinarily? I don’t know. What do you think?

    Does any family have consolation from death? (Yes, but you cannot force it)

    My daughter died in my own arms due to a fatal condition that strikes 1 out of 100,000 people. Part of me wonders what life would have been with her growing older, and that part cries. Part of me is happy that it was my karma to experience, because it means 99,999 other people live to see their children grow up (and to make their own choices with such shared life). Another part of me knows that we live in one great big machine indifferent to us as individuals. Another part of me knows that I must choose to learn and laugh and improvise, adapt, and overcome as the One I am.

    We will all die. You will die. Consolation comes from choosing to learn from this and not avoid it. There are no reasons to fear death, I’ve learned. There are reasons to fear what choices I make, such as trying to flee my own inevitability. I choose to become better, and so I’m already dead many times over: still have things to learn from the machine.

    Maybe you want to help others. Maybe you want people, even just certain people, to live well and with excellence. But you know anyway, don’t you? They’ll all be dead soon enough, but did they help you learn what you needed to get out from the machine? Are you consoled already?

    • Replies: @Kali
  186. Alfred says:
    @hfel

    Why didn’t Russia, certainly not in the lap of the West, not pursue similar non-policy and hence come out at the top?

    Good question. But the same applied to 9/11, JFK and many other events.

    1- From the perspective of Putin, copying the West ensures that the media of the West will focus on China and leave Russia alone. It is not pleasant to be constantly harassed for things you have not done – MH-17, Skripals and so on.

    2- They could have forewarned Russia that if they did not follow suit, a more deadly virus would be unleashed in Moscow and other cities. That seems to have happened in Iran.

    3- The Russians assume that a more deadly version will be released one day and that this is an opportunity for them to train their people.

    4- It probably improved the results of the plebiscite for the new Russian constitution. The previous one was written for them by the (((Americans))). The new one essentially neuters politically dual-passport holders, those who keep their money out of Russia and those who live a lot abroad.

    • Replies: @Anon
  187. Polemos says:
    @anon

    A local cop stops you, an obvious out-of-towner, and conducts a legal-but-barely-so search of your vehicle. Cop finds your cash and declares it part of a criminal enterprise, then confiscates it. 🤷‍♂️

    It’s not unusual here in the South to go through a small town on Sunday mornings (or Wednesday evenings) and find highway enforcers running tags, lasers, radar, because the locals will be otherwise engaged, and the Sheriff or department needs the money.

  188. Alfred says:
    @Trinity

    The so-called, “elites” aren’t elite at all

    They are largely dependent on legal monopolies that they have bribed the politicians to protect. There is nothing creative about Bill Gates et al. I strongly suspect that Steve Jobs was cancered. This sort of thing is far more common than one can imagine. It is so easy for those with deep pockets.

    In the 19th century, the “Robber Barons” built libraries and universities. The present lot seem to be obsessed with reducing the population of the world. It cannot be much fun to have so much cash and yet to be obliged to share the ski-lifts at Aspen.

  189. Loup-Bouc says:
    @vot tak

    Had you read enough of my many previous comments poste at Unz Review, you would have known:

    (a) I am not an ethnic Jew. I am not a Jew by religion.

    (b) I contemn, and condemn, all religion — especially the religion of Yahweh, the most evil religion, and its followers.

    (c) I am an avid, and outspoken, opponent of Zionism and have expressed, many times, my view that Israel, which has no legal right of existence and is the second worst terrorist state, ought be disestablished.

    (d) Despite my despising Zionism and the religion of Yahweh, I am not an anti-Semite, as I have explained quite enough in my Unz Review comments. I react to individuals according to their particular manifest acts, not because of their ethnicities of religions. Even a traditioanl Jew can do good that deserves appreciation.

    (d) I am, and have been, a strong supporte of the reestablishment of the Palestine that pre-existed the British Mandate (less Jordan, which, apparently, prefers to be a separate state.

    =======

    You suffer a grievous illness of mind., an illness that compels you to find “zionazis” (your term) in every person who expresses a view that, in your warped and warping perception, grates against your warped and warping predilections.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  190. Loup-Bouc says:
    @vot tak

    Emendation of my comment of August 18, 2020 at 4:04 am GMT (comment # 194):

    Correction I could not finish before the 4-minute edit-period ended:

    NOT

    I react to individuals according to their particular manifest acts, not because of their ethnicities of religions.

    BUT, INSTEAD

    I react to individuals according to their particular manifest acts, not because of their ethnicities or religions.

  191. @Johnny Rico

    @johnny rico,

    Took me a second, then i cracked up.

  192. map says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Has it ever occurred to you that all the footage and lockdowns we’ve seen in Italy and China is just staging to get us to do something stupid, like lockdown our own economy and take ourselves out of the economic race?

    Do you think Russia wouldn’t fake its wave or Japan its “second wave” to keep telegraphing us into something stupid?

  193. @Anon

    Yes, indeed. Where are the Republicans? (they’re all Rinos). It’s like the Harlem Globetrotters vs. the Washington Generals. Fake opposition for the plebes…sigh.

  194. map says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Wow…

    Loup-Bouc…

    I did not expect this kind of wonderful comment from you. Good show, echoing my very sentiments on this hoax pandemic.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  195. @Johnny Rico

    I am sorry, you are ill informed about me

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  196. at the lazy vot tak –
    not that it actually makes any difference, and not that you will reply sincerely, but tell me ONE factoid that was wrong in the post you marked as ‘troll’ ? ? ? you will not… you are a dick who snipes with no reason, and sneers at those proffering reasonable ideas…
    kindly FOAD…

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  197. mastodon says:
    @Mefobills

    Agree fully with your intentions (either we do it or nature does) but….

    we are in no position to judge which genes will be usefull in the future, that decision will be made by the environment whatever we become (if anything) exists in. …. hence breeding must be completely random. Natural selection works for the benefit of those most suited to their environment and farknose what that will be in 1000yrs time!!

    Having chewed this over in the past my best solution is vasectomy for prepubescent boys then breeding by lottery thereafter, winner gets reversal and ALL have responsibility for the progeny ( they once again become important)

    Being the spawn of viruses we may also need to check what they suggest….

    best

  198. @anon

    Really? The guy tells you how poverty is turning working women to prostitution, and you preach about the amount of cash in his wallet?
    Really?

  199. @Yukon Jack

    Sorry, but UNZ is still failing to pick up my “saved” username, so I’m forced to ‘Reply’ simply to ‘AGREE’.

  200. Admit it, most readers don’t know anything about any of this because none of it has appeared in the MSM. Why is that? What malicious, evil forces are at work here? Why do our leaders and our media want to keep us in the dark about issues that are critical to our decision-making, critical to our livelihoods, and critical to our very survival? Why?

    This is simply not true. Microsoft News (msn.com), which is obviously part of MSM, and belongs, or is somehow associated, with Bill Gates, which you paint as the devil incarnate, has published newsstories about pre-existing immunity. Here, for example:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-covid-herd-immunity-could-be-twice-as-high-as-first-thought/ar-BB16cYvL

    (I think the title to that MSN story got it backwards, but the body of the article explains it correctly.)

    On the other hand, Ron Unz, at his off-MSM (and ostensibly anti-MSM) site The Unz Review aligns himself completely with lockdowns.

    Note that I am not criticizing the bulk of Whitney’s article, which is insightful and thought-provoking, though a little rough on the edges.

    The MSM is not lying about this disease, as a pathology per se. Even though the *response to the pandemic* may have been completely wrong, and the MSM may have been clueless on occasion, the disease proper is just as horrific *to certain individuals* as has been said.

  201. @Hans Vogel

    Oh, no, pardon me. I’m sorry. I must have had you confused with this guy:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Hans+Vogel

    While, we are on the subject of YOU, though, maybe you could properly inform me about you.

    So I’m not ill-informed. Maybe you could provide some evidence from the internet about what was obvious on day 1 as you say.

    Because I have a theory that still stands that you are full of it..

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  202. Emslander says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Just curious. What were all the examples from history that Aristotle gave?

    Socrates didn’t need proof for his assertions. Socrates IS the proof. Anyway, the example that democracy always leads to tyranny (not autocracy) was Greece itself.

  203. The United States overall has a death rate of about 3.1%.

    States that got hit early and hard but that now have the virus under control, like New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut have death rates north of 6%.

    States that came on strong since June like Arizona, Louisiana, Florida, and Texas have much lower death rates. Under 2.5%

    I’m using deaths from Covid-19 over confirmed infections as the death rate.

    As far as deaths and cases per capita of the the overall population – Massachusetts and New York have the highest rates of anywhere in the Western world – much higher than Belgium or Sweden.

    There are no regions in the world in Europe or the United States where it is clear from the available metrics that certain policy edicts were definitely failures or successes. There are no outliers. They all exist on a range and scale of various metrics. The healthcare system, treatment standards and protocols, and testing regiments as well as factors we may not even be aware of or cannot begin to grasp at this point are in play.

    In some regions 1 out of 10 people who tests positive dies from COVID-19. Above the age of 70 it is much higher.

    In 2200 words, Mike Whitney did a phenomenal job of cherry-picking data relationships to pronounce this whole thing a scam. I’m not betting on this theory standing the test of time. Especially with no names to go with the conspiracy. Fifteen years ago at least we had Dick Cheney to be the villain.

    • Replies: @glib
    , @Loup-Bouc
  204. @Adûnâi

    You think countries are anti-American? You think people are against you? Maybe you know something they don’t or maybe you are just PARANOID.

  205. Sam J. says:
    @Dumbo

    “…Masks are basically useless…”

    This is not true. Sure they are not 100% effective. I nor anyone else is saying this . It also may be a ruse to force compliance as you said,

    “… they are just a sign of social conformity and that “something is being done”…”

    never the less if you are wearing a mask some virus will not get through and the less virus you are exposed to the less likely you are to be infected by the virus. Why do people have to become devoid of all common sense and say “everyone must wear a mask” or that “masks never do any good”, neither of these are needed or are true. In the video she says people don’t need to wear mask and explains this is normal people BUT she also says anyone dealing with patients SHOULD wear a mask. My thoughts are that I want to be protected, however small, by a mask.

    I don’t want people to be forced to wear a mask but I wear one cause I’m convinced that there are people, (psychopathic animals actually), who purposely spread engineered viruses or so 5 different viral research centers said. Should you disbelieve all of them?

    I think this virus was engineered. That this has happened before is 100% true. There’s a video below where they talk about the Ebola virus engineered in Ft. Detrick where somehow, we’re not told, infected a bunch of Africans, and we know the strain was from Ft. Detrick because it had changes that were only from there, and it killed 20,000 people or so.

    That created a response where Congress refused any more engineering of viruses to be more deadly to study them. This lasted for a while but then…they started back. I’m not clear on if this is illegal or not. There was a law against it at one time. There are some very serious issues about that and this virus corona. Someone, and I assume it’s the Jews who best as I can tell run the deep State , are deliberately trying to mass murder people.

    As for the the claim that they would never do this because it might infect them. I suspect if they are trying to kill everyone off they’ve put in a great deal of effort into finding cures or ways to hold out until the virus recombines into a less dangerous form. After all we see research that shows Ivermectin has in recent studies 100% cure rate for corona. If you were evil ass pedo murdering deep State you could kidnap people and test them quickly in the vilest manner. You could make progress very, very fast if you were psychopathic evil murders like them. They most likely have a decent cure for most corona type viruses. Maybe most all viruses.

    If you haven’t noticed a great deal of these deep State types look like they are far less older than their actual age. They also seem to change this aging look depending on how well they serve the deep State. It may be they have some sort of elixir that greatly lowers the aging process and they use this as one of their blackmail tools.

    Here’s a video where they discuss the Ebola leak from Ft. Detrick and a very good discussion on viruses. It’s a Women who was let go as a whistle blower when she brought up the fact that vaccines any many other medical products were contaminated with other viruses and causing people health problems later on.

    She says the corona could be mitigated in older people with a .50 cent dose of interferon alpha. So it was not necessary for all these people to die. She said NO ONE needed t be locked down if the used interferon alpha and hydroxcloriquine. This is a damn interesting video. You will learn a lot if you watch this.

    Perspectives on the Pandemic

    This Dr. Anthony Fauci appears to be completely corrupt. He needs to be fired. A mass of people in our government that are responsible for the health of the nation should be fired.

  206. @art guerrilla

    Vot Tak is on the list of foreign disinformation agents. There are various techniques that they are taught, but the obvious giveaway is that they have no idea that there is such a concept as truth. For them this is inconceivable.

  207. @Monty Ahwazi

    Chicken Little, don’t go out without your tin foil hat, but I love your pretense of human compassion.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  208. @Johnny Rico

    😉

    I must say you do have an engaging manner.

    And good luck with that theory of yours

  209. aandrews says:
    @Sam J.

    Personally, I don’t mind wearing a mask. Wearing a mask and sunglasses seems to make one invisible. People will still walk around you, so you do still qualify as an object.

  210. aandrews says:

    “There’s a video below where they talk about the Ebola virus engineered in Ft. Detrick where somehow, we’re not told, infected a bunch of Africans….”

    As I recall, there was a research lab nearby (in Sierra Leone, I think) that evidently had a containment breach. Even the African locals had put two and two together and said that the Ebola virus was coming from that lab. I don’t have time to produce verification, but it should be out there somewhere. Seems like I remember seeing it as a news report, so there’s a video somewhere.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  211. Kali says:
    @Polemos

    A wonderful, generous, intelligent comment, filled with compassion and insight.

    Thank you.

    With love and gratitude,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: Polemos
  212. Hit the nail on the Head. This is why MSM and Doctors are always saying there will be a second wave. By forcing the wearing of masks it will almost be assured.

  213. Trinity says:
    @Johnny Rico

    I have been saying that this (((virus))) was a MANUFACTURED HOAX SINCE DAY ONE.

    While obviously there is a (((virus))) out there and more than likely it was CREATED IN A (((LAB))), it in no way shape or form is as deadly as it is (((played))) up to be.

    I stated that it was kosher all along with maybe some help from the Chinese.

  214. “I don’t have time to produce verification,”

    No, of course not. It’s just Ebola. I can imagine you are pretty busy with whatever you do when you are’t randomly popping in to comment on UNZ. No worries. Somebody else with probably do it. Lol

    I mean, the locals put two and two together. That should be sufficient.

  215. @Miro23

    “Honest governments need to precisely do this…”

    Still searching…

  216. @GeeBee

    Bingo, BG! We all really need to question all our vilest slurs AND most comforting endorsements.

  217. vot tak says:
    @Majority of One

    Cute spiel you did there, but very little of it relates to either myself or what I wrote. Though no doubt you had a good time inventing all those strawmen and doing all that projection. Bet you feel rightious now. ;-D

    “Oh, BTW, I’ve worn my hair shoulder-length (most of the while) since 1969”

    Then you should know about the discrimination males with longer hair are subjected to. Which is what I was writing about.

  218. trickster says:

    We’re back to this virus thing again ? Hell I am still scouring the internet all day, every day looking for the millions dead (according to various experts like say Karlin !! ??, Fauci, Birx and so on and so forth. So far it looks to me like I have a better chance of dying from being murdered or a car accident.

    And so, since people have become bored and not the least of it quite fed up with Corona (that is the polite way of saying few give a fuck any more) I will now detail how the virus is contracted.

    Lets start with the premise that dirty environments attract vermin. Leave your kitchen in a mess and roaches appear, leave garbage unsecured in the backyard and racoons appear, kill an animal on the road and the crows appear. There are always scavengers around looking for an opportunity. Hence we come to HOW to get Corona or for that matter any other disease.

    -eat three colossal meals of junk food everyday
    -smoke and drink to your hearts contentment
    -use drugs recreational and prescribed
    -abuse and defile your body to the limit
    -live your life with events and people who stress you out
    -get as little sleep as possible as you may miss something
    -stay indoors 24/7 or if you have to go out use and stay in your car. The whole point is to get as little sun or fresh air as possible
    -dont exercise at all as the human body was designed to sit around all day
    -attend to your cell phone all day checking social media for the latest bullshit

    In other words make a complete mess of your immune system, the body’s million of years old self defense mechanism designed to fight and negate germs and disease.

    You will set up a poisoned state in your blood and thus in your body and viruses in every form will be happy to pay you a visit. Dont take my word for it. The evidence is around you all day. Try these tips and you will be unpleasantly surprised.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  219. Sam J. says:
    @aandrews

    “…As I recall, there was a research lab nearby (in Sierra Leone, I think) that evidently had a containment breach….”

    A most simple, elementary question to ask was, what was a weaponized Ebola virus from Ft. Detrick doing in an African Ebola research center? Of what use would the weaponized version be there???? How would the weaponized version be of any use in stopping Ebola???

    Maybe there is a reason but I can’t fathom what that would be. In the video above she seems to just ignore that while making it plain that the strain in Africa was from Ft Detrick positively. Maybe she doesn’t want to state the implications. She’s already been cashiered for warning people about contaminated vaccines.

  220. vot tak says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    That’s all well and good, but you were still defending and promoting zionazi propaganda in the comment I replied to. And it was also not consistent with your previous writing on the virus.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  221. Anon[581] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pft

    Yes, perhaps you missed something: no public school: Private school is ok, gates stype online school is ok, etc. => this is about privatization of school, as well as other privatizations. The ‘global reset’ is about more privatizations.

  222. Anon[581] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    And another point:

    The Russian gov, like western govs, is concerned with maintaining control over the population, for the benefit of their oligarchs. so in some regards, they do the same things. Same screwed up medical concepts.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  223. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    It saddens me to see anyone insulted and verbally attacked — all the more if it is a civil person to be subject to it.

    However, Whitney, I’ll try to say what perhaps amount to the same as what others said, bar the verbal aggression/insulting element.

    In your numerous columns on the COVID matter, you haven’t even seriously tried to be objective, and as emotionally detached as one ought to be for him to be able to, well, try to be objective.
    Quoting C. J. Hopkins is kind of the topping on the cake, under that regard.

    No matter how abominably the “conspiracy theorist” tag is used by the string-pullers and all their unaware minions, one can really become a conspiracy theorist with a need to see schemes everywhere and in everything, and one can then warp his reasoning to match his warped theories.

    There is very little about the COVID issue we know for sure. I’d say, the only thing we know for sure is that this virus isn’t “nature-made”: among others, an eminent (ex Nobel prize!) French scientists, now an elder (thus much less subject to the pressures we know), said that the HIV strain(s) in the virus can be there only due to laboratory intervention.
    And by the way all the power-aligned “independent experts” hurried to shout down the few characters of integrity who tried to point out that truth, one obviously gathers what the truth was.

    All the rest is doubtful. It’s great to raise doubts, and one can never underline enough how mendacious, and unanimously mendacious, the USA media are. But still, you have been emotion-driven, too sure of some things that are possibilities, and a bit too much careless about objectivity, and I hope I was able to express that to you without insulting you.

  224. @anon

    To add to Mefobills Reply: Always carry cash to reinforce its daily necessity.

  225. @ploni almoni

    You chicken shit! You go out unprepared but be careful so won’t be a burden on my family working day and night to save uninformed asses like yours! Best wishes for you and Mikey!

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  226. @JimDandy

    an uber-woke federal police force

    Ah, yes, now what to call it?
    Committee of Public Safety comes to mind. Oh wait, that was used in 1793.
    The Cheka also comes to mind. Oh wait, that was used in 1917.

    Might be easier to figure out what the capital crimes will be. You know the ones they cut off your head for. Or line you up against a wall in a basement abattoir. In 1917 it was anti-semitism of any degree — read the Protocols and you’re done. How about white privilege today? Failing to kneel?

    Capital crime statistics will be easy. Just stop counting at 100 mil.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  227. Emslander says:
    @mastodon

    Having chewed this over in the past my best solution is vasectomy for prepubescent boys then breeding by lottery thereafter, winner gets reversal and ALL have responsibility for the progeny ( they once again become important)

    And you propose to do those through the democratic process? LOL You effing killers are all the same.

    • Thanks: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @mastodon
  228. @trickster

    About 1.7 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer each year, and between 30% and 34% of them die of the disease — roughly 600,000 people die of cancer each year.

    After the brain cancer death of his son, Beau, at Joe Biden’s urging the Obama administration established and Congress funded the Cancer Moonshot.

    A great deal of taxpayer money was spent, but Biden complained that efforts were not coordinated; not enough money was made available; not enough volunteers came forward to undergo experimental treatment, etc.

    A 2016 report on the Cancer Moonshot concluded:

    As for the moonshot’s future with a new administration, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton has said that she would like to continue it and would welcome Biden’s advice. Donald Trump, the Republican nominee, hasn’t commented on the matter. Biden said recently that he’d like to remain active, but not from inside the government. [Washington Post; Paywall vs cache]

    Consistent with that notion, after he left office, Biden created a non-profit to continue the work, but by 2019, the non-profit suspended operations —

    Joe Biden’s cancer nonprofit suspends operations indefinitely
    The former vice president created the Biden Cancer Initiative after leaving the White House
    [Washington Post; Paywall vs cache]

    Why?

    Cancer is big business.

    When the governor of my state declared a Lockdown, I looked in on a nearby hospital where a new cancer center was under construction. In the middle of the day, the hospital was empty. Not a single car in the garages, no people visible anywhere — except an employee, possibly a technician or porter leaving for the day. He told me the floors were empty, beds were empty, and that employees were being laid off.
    The hospital remained in that state for weeks and months.
    But work on the cancer wing continued; it’s nearly complete by now.

    At the same time, 5g towers are proliferating. Some — a marginalized few — claim that the expansion of electromagnetic fields (EMF) is unhealthy, that it’s cancer-causing.

    Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is clamoring for “Medicare for all;” “health care is a right.”

    But Joe Biden has stepped away from “finding a cure for cancer.”

    Not when there’s money to be made in treating a disease that seems set to increase together with the increase in EMF.

    • Thanks: Emslander
  229. Anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Real World

    I think that was Eric Garner.

  230. @Olivier1973

    HCQ was used in Marseilles, thanks to Didier Raoult and his colleagues. It was banned everywhere else. Raoult achieved amazing results in reducing the Case Fatality Rate and overall mortality.

  231. @The Real World

    LOL, right. I can’t keep all my scams and false flags straight.

    Did you think the Eric Garner situation was kooky and surreal too?

  232. Loup-Bouc says:
    @map

    Do not make nice so precipitously soon.

    Open Paul Craig Roberts’s article “George Floyd: What Is a Fatal Dose of Fentanyl?,” https://www.unz.com/proberts/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/

    In that Paul Craig Roberts article’s comment thread, see:
    (1) my comment of August 16, 2020 at 9:21 pm GMT (comment # 300), https://www.unz.com/proberts/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/?showcomments#comment-4102903
    AND
    (2) my comment of August 17, 2020 at 3:25 am GMT (comment # 301), https://www.unz.com/proberts/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/?showcomments#comment-4103501

    Both above-cited comments debunk the apparent thrust of your comment of August 14, 2020 at 6:05 am GMT (comment # 299) posted under the same (above-cited) Paul Craig Roberts article. See especially, but not only, the final three paragraphs of comment # 300; and see also the whole of comment # 301.

    • Replies: @map
  233. @mastodon

    Having chewed this over in the past my best solution is vasectomy for prepubescent boys then breeding by lottery thereafter

    Spoken like a eugenecist. Wanting to institute rules for others is a sign of a sick mind.

  234. @Sam J.

    No disposable mask can trap a virus. The manufacturers of those masks make no such claims and indeed, many issue a disclaimer on the end panel of the box of their masks saying that they are unsuitable for that purpose.

    You might as well wear a tinfoil hat as a “surgical” mask.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Sam J.
  235. Maxwell says:

    AVG Age of “Death by Covid”:

    Austria 80+ years Source EMS;

    Canada 86 years Source HCSC;

    England 80+ years Source NHS;

    France 84 years Source SPF;

    Germany 82 years Source RKI;

    Italy 81 years Source ISS;

    Spain 82 years Source MDS;

    Switzerland 84 years Source BAG;

    United States 80 years Source CDC;

    Sweden 86 years Source FOHM

    A “global pandemic” is certainly not defined by age of deaths EXCEEDING the normal lifespan with no young healthy people are affected.

    I will offer up just a few broad comments and put details to any who wish:

    1) There is no excess death toll due to virus- that death toll is due to policy shifts and attribution to “Covid” is patently false when not outright administrative corruption by health officials;

    2) Above “excess” death toll is an artifact of nursing home mismanagement- 60% of “covid deaths” from nursing homes + or – 3%- once that is taken away we have near record numbers of low mortality rates in country after country;

    3) The average age of “Covid deaths” worldwide EXCEEDS the normal lifespan of citizens of those countries- that being 81 years old with on average 2.5 comorbidities- think about that;

    4) Average number of weeks of life lost due to “Covid” is a mere 1-3 weeks and that’s without consideration of having died “from” or “with”;

    5) PCR tests used to determine “cases” are a diagnostic fraud- inventor of PCR test, Kary Mullis, asserted PCR tests were not designed for diagnostic purposes;

    6) Cases which are determined by flawed PCR tests are purposefully juiced up in numerous ways- want details?- this is not simply more tests=more cases we are talking medical and institutional fraud- why did the CDC change years old policies on March 24th, April 14th and June 13th with each change designed to increase number of “positive” test cases;

    7) The WHO changed it’s definition of pandemic in 2009. Why? What preceded this in 2007?

    8) In the annals of pandemic since the year 350 this one ranks 23rd out of 24 in overall deaths as a percentage of population worldwide. The swine flu pandemic of 2009 (coincidentally the same year the WHO changed that definition) ranks 24th. These two pandemics are several hundred (thousand in some cases) % points lower in mortality rates than past pandemics- how did they even make the cut;

    9) The “deaths from Covid” are from a specific demographic- pandemics are noted to impact mortality rates of a broad demographic. That demographic is not merely the elderly but the most fragile of the fragile of the elderly who could die from any infection in their condition;

    10) “Deaths from Covid” are from specific locations. Pandemics are defined (supposed to be) by cutting across a wide swath of geographic regions. This pandemic has the habit of only impacting densely populated areas and more specifically the elderly in those areas and more specifically nursing homes- in the US for example if we eliminated just the deaths from NJ and NYC nursing homes we would not be having this conversation. In Italy same would be said if we eliminated deaths from elderly in Northern Italy- same elsewhere Belgium, spain, Canada, Sweden etc.;

    The above 10 points are the short list.

    If people would stop wearing masks and stay off the internet and cable news for a week no one would know there was such a virus in existence.

    You can’t stop living the lie until you stop telling it.

    • Agree: Loup-Bouc
    • Thanks: Emslander, Kali
  236. @RoatanBill

    Precisely. In addition- the bank ass-kissing US government and its tentacles manufactured consent by flooding its airwaves with images of their serfs dropping dead in the streets of China.

  237. @Trinity

    I have been saying that this (((virus))) was a MANUFACTURED HOAX SINCE DAY ONE.

    So have I:
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/syria-corona-aipac/#comment-3752074

    I think that day 1 for me was late February or early March.

    While obviously there is a (((virus))) out there and more than likely it was CREATED IN A (((LAB))), it in no way shape or form is as deadly as it is (((played))) up to be.

    I don’t remember even giving the Cohenavirus the benefit of the doubt as to its existence. The scam just looked like a scam early on, to me. Maybe the idea of a killer plague virus was created in a lab, but I doubt that the actual virus has ever even existed, in the form the hoaxters have been promoting it. The whole thing looks like bullshit to me.

  238. JimDandy says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    It seems like clashes between law enforcement agencies are inevitable. Once that happens, I think we can safely say that “civil war” has started.

  239. Alfred says:
    @Anon

    Lukashenko claims that the World Bank offered to lend Belarus $10 billion – a lot of money for a country of 10 million – if they join the organised hysteria. Lukashenko declined and now he has a color revolution organised by the friendly Poles on his hands.

    Doubtless, Russia had an offer it could not refuse.

    • Replies: @Anon
  240. Loup-Bouc says:
    @vot tak

    …but you were still defending and promoting zionazi propaganda….

    Exactly what “zionazi propaganda” did I promote? With exactly what lnaguage did not comment promote such “propaganda”? Or has your “zionazi” dreck just inclined to to try to slime Michael Levitt’s Haaretz article simply because Mr. Levitt is likely a “Jew” and Haaretz is a newspaper published in Iarael.

    If you actually READ the Israeli press’s and Israeli physicians’ and politicians’ statements concerning “Covid-19” and you ceased hallucinating the “zionazi” propaganda or conspiracies you tend to hallucinate, you would see that Israeli sources hold sundry, and oft-conflicting, positions concernng, e.g.,
    (a) the origin of “Covid-19”
    (b) the infectiousness of “Covid-19”
    (c)the occurrence or effectiveness of “Covid-19” antibodies
    (d)the death numbers validly attributable to “Covid-19”

    How is any “zionazi propaganda” related to
    (a) Swedish versus Chinese genetic, dietary, lifestyle, or social differences
    (b) DETAILS of the Chinese quarantine
    (c) DETAILS of the death frequency-distribution in Sweden, including the matter that most deaths were of persons 80 or older and, of those, the plurality occurred in geriatric patient nursing facilities of quality inferior to China’s geriatric healthcare provisions and China’s general healthcare given to pre-geriatric Covid-19-infected Chinese
    (d) Swedish versus Chinese medical methodology differences, including China’s use of Traditional Chinese Medicine, which appears to have borne positive effects in China during the 2003 SAARS pandemic

    [MORE]

    How is “zionazi propaganda” related to the two charts I included in my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180)?

    …it [my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180)] was also not consistent with your [my] previous writing on the virus.

    What “previous writing” respecting “the virus.” Before posting the first comment I posted in this thread[my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180)], I had not ever stated any “Covid-19” position logically describable as inconsistent with my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180).

    Before finishing THIS comment, I reviewed every possibly “Covid-19”-related comment I had posted before my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180). I found no such “inconsistent” comment.

    Under Philip Giraldi’s article, “A Government Against the People” (21 April 2020), https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/a-government-against-the-people/
    I posted several “Covid-19″related-comments that are eminently consistent with my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180 of THIS thread).

    Under Gilad Atzmon’s article “Corona Crisis: a Viral Episode or a Half-Life Nightmare” (24 April 2020), https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/corona-crisis-a-viral-episode-or-a-half-time-nightmare/, I posted “Covid-19″-related comment [posted April 29, 2020 at 7:57 pm GMT (comment # 314)] in which I stated, among other things this:

    Though I possess medical expertise and also am a law professor, I am unable to assess, comfortably, all of the opinion rendered by Dr. Boyle. [Dr. Boyle argued that “Covid-19″ is a bioweapon.]

    But I find very concerning (a) Fauci’s early 2017 prediction that Trump’s Presidency would be threatened gravely by a catastrophic pandemic and (b) allegations that Fauci arranged funding of, and fostered, a Wuhan lab continuation of what appeared to be bioweapon virus research commenced illegally in the United States.

    If Fauci did what some allege, he and his co-conspirators are guilty of perhaps the greatest ever mass murder and massive socioeconomic crime.

    NOTICE: That comment’s final paragraph begins with the term “If” — “If Fauci did what some allege…. I did NOT state that I believed “Covid-19″ is a bioweapon Fauci conspired to create or even that “Covid-19″ is a bioweapon or even that if any conspiracy occurred, it involved Zionists or Israel.

    In my “Covidf-19″-related comments posted under Gilad Atzmon’s article, my principal consideration was whether herd immunity, or any immunity, would occur and, if so, to what degree, for how long, or to what geographic/demographic extent. I did NOT state a position concerning those issues.

    In one or two comments posted under articles concerning George Floyd’s murder, I referenced one of Ron Unz’s articles — his article treating the question of whether “Covid-19″ is a bioweapon and, if so, created by whom and why or against what or whom. I did NOT state that I agreed with Mr. Ujnz’s article; and I did NOT state a position concerning “Covid-19.” I stated that Mr. Unz’s article was an example of good journalism and that I appreciated, especially, the article’s discussion of the Tiananmen Square Incident and its Western press coverage and Western political/governmental treatment.

    You, vat tok, have shown yourself a scurrilous, prevaricating, hallucinating, paranoid idiot.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  241. glib says:
    @Johnny Rico

    It is regrettable that you cherry pick data yourself and use CFR, which is a number that can be biased two ways, and not IFR. so I am not sure any of your conclusions hold.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  242. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Johnny Rico

    I’m using deaths from Covid-19 over confirmed infections as the death rate.

    Many “confirmations” are impeachable (likely false), e.g. “confirmations” asserted by medicine-practitioners or Medicare Advantage insurers who gain much profit by filing Medicare claims set on fraudulent assertions of “Covid-19” infection. See my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180).

    Many more alleged “Covid-19″-caused deaths are, instead, deaths caused by comorbidity or another pathogen (not “Covid-19”). That fact has been shown by many sources many times.

    So, your “deaths from Covid-19…confirmed infections” measure is both statistically unreliable and statistically invalid.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  243. Dumbo says:
    @Sam J.

    Honestly, there’s so much disinformation that it’s hard to even know what’s true about corona. But from my own personal experience masks are only useful if someone coughs in your face (and then, it might be too late). Walking outside with a surgical mask is pointless and comic. The virus is not in the air, like a gas, and if it was the mask would be useless anyway. Also, as I said, I am not convinced that viruses are the main causes behind any diseases, and particularly in the case of corona. Yes, it might have been engineered, as they were studying it (or trying to create it?) in Wuhan. But to me what was really “engineered” was not so much the virus itself but the panic and the lockdown measures. THAT for sure was all planned.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  244. Dumbo says:

    If people would stop wearing masks and stay off the internet and cable news for a week no one would know there was such a virus in existence.

    Yep, “evidence” of this pandemic, for most people anyways, was always by means of secondary experience, not direct experience: media stories, regulations, lockdowns, wearing masks, seeing counts of numbers of deaths in a website etc. But direct experience of the disease and the virus has been pretty limited. I myself know of one person who (supposedly) had Covid, because tested positive. She’s fine. For a pandemic that required an extraordinary global quarantine of healthy people, something I think never tried before, seems certainly an exaggeration.

    And my impression is that less and less people now are taking this corona menace very seriously. Perhaps it’s time for the Powers That Be to change now to Alien Invasion, or Meteorite, or I dunno, something else for 2021.

  245. utu says:

    How did Michael Levitt become a self-proclaimed expert in epidemiology? And how good were his predictions? Here from March 18, 2020 article in Haaretz:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-expert-who-says-israel-is-overreacting-to-coronavirus-1.8689010?v=1597677630602

    Prof. Michael Levitt is the new hero for thousands of scared and frustrated Israelis. Levitt, a Nobel laureate and expert in computational biology, had already delivered his doctrine on the coronavirus to the masses last week in the financial newspaper Calcalist. On Wednesday, after meeting Tuesday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he was interviewed by Kan Reshet Bet radio, and recordings of the interview spread on social media faster than the coronavirus.

    In fact, Levitt said drily, he would be surprised if more than 10 Israelis ended up dying from the virus.

    The interview with Levitt was fascinating. The professor, who isn’t an epidemiology expert, spoke quietly and confidently. Is he the only one seeing things correctly? We’ll know better in a week or two. Meanwhile, as a senior associate of Netanyahu’s put it, “When I want some encouragement, I read Prof. Levitt’s analyses, but when I have to work, I work with the Health Ministry scenarios.”

    Is Mike Levitt surprised that the death toll of Covid-19 in Israel as of today is at 705 which is about 7,000% more than what he predicted in March? One would think that 7,000% prediction error does not look good for any expert even a self-proclaimed one. This is the same guy who now complains that somebody somewhere overestimated the death toll in Sweden.

    So, what did go wrong? One thing is that Mike Levitt was a proponent of draconian measures taken by China. So perhaps he was right and if Netanyahu did the Wuhan measures in Israel only 10 Israelis would have died. What Mike Whitney is not telling us and what Mike Levitt omits in his write up of July 20 (allegedly in Hebrew only version in Haaretz) that Mike Levitt back in March was the de facto for virus elimination strategy via draconian measures such as in China. Mike Levitt was not a part of the herd immunity crowd and not the proponent of the Swedish solution which now he conveniently would like everybody to forget about it:

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate
    March 23, 2020

    While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply don’t support such a dire scenario — especially in areas where reasonable social distancing measures are in place.

    Levitt said he’s in sync with those calling for strong measures to fight the outbreak. The social-distancing mandates are critical — particularly the ban on large gatherings — because the virus is so new that the population has no immunity to it, and a vaccine is still many months away. “This is not the time to go out drinking with your buddies,” he said.

    So he believed that virus was new and there was ‘no immunity to it’. However now in Haaretz July 20 write-up he claims

    The most significant evidence – decidedly refuting the need for 60% infection rate – is pre-immunity. For example, COVID-19 has several relatives (other coronaviruses) to which the population had been exposed, and such prior exposure can provide immunity to a significant segment of the population. Back in April, two of us wrote an article about the postulated nature of this immunity and the statistical evidence that pointed to its existence.

    OK, I did search publications of all four authors (Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt
    ) and could not find anything that would support the claim : “Back in April, two of us wrote an article”.

    Now, what about July 20 article by the Four Learned Elders of Haaretz (Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt)? How come that it can’t it be found on Haaretz site? Why Mike Whitney is giving a link to translated copy in pdf:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/72hi9jfcqfct1n9/Haaretz-20Jul20_ENGLISH%2012082020%20v3.pdf?dl=0

    Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions
    Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt

    that does not show up in any search engine search results? In fact why Mike Whitney is the only one who revealed the secrets of the Four Learned Elders of Haaretz by smuggling it to goys and translating it to goishe language?

    To be fair the claim that. “About 60% of people in California who had never been exposed to COVID-19, had immune memory cells that recognized the virus and are therefore likely to provide immunity”. while exaggerated has been researched though on small sample (n=20):

    Targets of T Cell Responses to SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus in Humans with COVID-19 Disease and Unexposed Individuals.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420306103

    “Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.”

    Do some people have a learned immunity to Covid-19? If so that would be exciting. Then indeed the threshold for the herd immunity would be lower. Research of learned immunity effect of BCG vaccine continues and results suggest that indeed some difference between countries can be accounted with the prevalence of BCG vaccination (e.g. difference between West and West Germany) or Italy that never had BCG vaccination program. Still the largest part of variation between countries is explained by density of population and human development index (about 50% of variance). What remains is accounted by many factors including different countermeasure that countries took. For instance Sweden which took milder countermeasures is a gross outlier and had death per capita 5-10 time higher than countries with similar human development index that took more severe countermeasures.

    BCG vaccine protection from severe coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
    https://www.pnas.org/content/117/30/17720

    However Mike Whitney claim that threshold immunity is “5 to 15% of the population” is totally unsupported and only reflects Mike Whitney delusions or his penchant for demagoguery to cater to dimwits who have difficulty in parsing complexities of reality.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Loup-Bouc
  246. Anon[581] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Alfred, I don’t believe the Russians got an offer they couldn’t refuse, they have enough clout to refuse.

    It is that the Russians recognize the power of western medical mafia concepts for their own benefit, in control of their population.

  247. vot tak says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    “Exactly what “zionazi propaganda” did I promote? With exactly what lnaguage did not comment promote such “propaganda”? Or has your “zionazi” dreck just inclined to to try to slime Michael Levitt’s Haaretz article simply because Mr. Levitt is likely a “Jew” and Haaretz is a newspaper published in Iarael.”

    Calm down, weedhopper, you’re going into hysterics. You’re just digging the hole deeper you are in.

    First, harretz is zionazi-gay propaganda, full stop. Just like jeruselm post is and every israeli media outfit. For somebody so pro-Palestinian, pretending to not know this is self exposure. The harretz propaganda rag is the “mothership” to similar rags in the zio-colonies: guardian in uk, new york times in the us, der spiegel in germany, for example. Their targetted audience is liberal, their message is neoliberal to neocon, but always reinforcing zionazi dictates. The role of harretz is zionazi-gay propaganda, it’s colonial subsidiaries, the same.

    The info in the harretz article was already shown to be bogus by at least a couple of comment writers here, who posted the info showing why. You go to great obfuscating lengths, to defend this govno, but provide zero solid evidence in support of your opinions. You also get quite hysterical when somebody disagrees with your opinions.

    A couple of months ago when discussion of the virus was much more prevalent here, you spent a lot of time arguing with people pushing the sort of bs nonsense whitney produces now. All of a sudden, you now promote this disinformation.

    Romanoff has written several articles on the virus and has been quite consistent in his presentation. I don’t remember seeing you go on the attack his views before. While I am not going to waste time searching out post history, I am fairly sure you posted comments on his articles. You certainly did on other articles expressing views not counter to what Romanoff ptesents.

    Your promotion of zionazi-gay propaganda, despite claiming you are anti-zionist, your fabrications of smears against anti-zionazis, your flip flopping of views that benefits zionazi-gay interests, your hysterics and drama queen behaviour. This all leads me to conclude you are simply another guardianista engaging in role play.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  248. @The Real World

    These could very well be false flags, but both the King and Floyd videos appear to be wobbly and wavering.

    Rodney King video:

    George Floyd video: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sSeWL_1590561430

  249. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Now, what about July 20 article by the Four Learned Elders of Haaretz (Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt)? How come that it can’t it be found on Haaretz site? Why Mike Whitney is giving a link to translated copy in pdf:

    Actually, I was originally concerned about exactly the same thing, wondering whether the PDF might be a hoax. But a Tweet by Prof. Levitt links to the English-language article, which was published in the Hebrew edition about a month ago but never translated:

    The authors claim that herd immunity can be reached once 5-15% of the population becomes infected, which seems *extremely* implausible to me. My guess is that the Haaretz people had the same reaction, which is why they avoided having the article translated.

    Levitt is an energetic Tweeter on Covid-19, so you people can check his views and decide for themselves:

    https://twitter.com/mlevitt_np2013?lang=en

    Given the apparently complex pattern of variable infectiousness in the population, with a fairly small slice being much more likely to both acquire and spread the virus, I’d be the first to admit that under the right circumstances herd immunity might be achieved at an infection rate considerably below the 60-70% default. But 5-15% seems ridiculously low to me.

    Also, no one really knows how long infectious immunity lasts, and herd immunity only works if it’s permanent or at least very long-lasting.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Loup-Bouc
    , @Tim too
  250. map says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    OH god… here we go again.

    Look, I appreciate your concern for government overreach. Your Covid piece indicates that.

    I will also agree that these matters are not mutually exclusive. You can have a massive problem with black criminality AND and a massive problem with police brutality AND and a massive problem with prison sentencing.

    Incidences like Floyd are absurd situations designed to trigger the public in different ways. Blacks live under anarcho-tyranny in democrat cities and are triggered by Floyds death because it is an extension of how democrats can’t prevent serious crimes but can go after minor offenses…like Kamala Harris.

    Whites are triggered by how so much drama is generated over a black thug who committed a crime and got into an altercation with police.

    But…we have the body cam footage and the full autopsy report. Floyd did not die at the scene. He arrived at the hospital at 9:00 pm and passed away at 9:25 pm. The body cam footage starts at 8:09 pm. Floyd is on the ground at 8:18 pm and, if you add the nine minutes, the whole thing is over by 8:30 pm or so. Figured the ambulance arrives by 8:40 and Floyd is whisked away.

    Point is, the officer did not kill him, there was an attempt a revival and Floyd died at 9:25 pm.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Anon
  251. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    Your comment’s initial, and core, argument is this:

    (a) Mr. Levitt put a wrong death-rate prediction five (5) months ago, when the medical community knew virtually nothing of “Covid-19” and rendered numerous very wrong predictions and still is not sure of anything of the disease, even of whether it exists.

    (b) [For reason you do not describe, certainly do not support with any legitimate evidence or creditable (valid, reliable) expert opinion] we must forgive all the huge errors and still-much-ignorance of the world’s medical community and buy the lockdown, social distancing, and mask-requirement advocacy of SOME of the medical community’s members.

    (c) But [For reason you do not describe, certainly do not support with any legitimate evidence or creditable (valid, reliable) expert opinion] we cannot forgive Mr. Levitt’s error of 5 months ago and must, on premise of that one now-very dated error, dismiss, as untenable, everything Mr. Levitt says now (simply because he committed that one error 5 months ago).

    I find interesting that you disregard Mr. Levitt’s being the 2013 chemistry prize Nobel Laureate and was, and is, a biophysicist and computational biology expert.

    I find equally interesting that you do not support with valid, reliable evidence your assertion that Mr. Levitt committed exactly, or even nearly, the 7,000% error you allege he committed 5 months ago. Actually, your allegation is hugely FALSE.

    On 23 March 2020 (about 5 months ago), the LA Times reported (inn the article you cite) that Mr. Levitt predicted that “China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.” Right now, 2:44 PM Pacific Time, 18 August 2020, China’s record is:
    Total cases = 84,871
    Total deaths = 4,634
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Accrding to the LA Times article you cited, “As of March 16, China had counted a total of 80,298 cases and 3,245 deaths….”
    Mr. Levitt’s prediction is astronomically less than the “7,000%” error you assert he committed.

    The same LA Times article stated also this: “In Iran, the number of newly confirmed COVID-19 cases per day remained relatively flat last week, going from 1,053 last Monday to 1,028 on Sunday. Although that’s still a lot of new cases, Levitt said, the pattern suggests the outbreak there “is past the halfway mark.” Right now, 2:52 PM PM Pacific Time, 18 August 2020, the Iran’s newly confirmed case number is number is 2,385, a trifle more that twice either the 1,053 number or the 1,028 number stated in the LA Times report. If the 1053 or 1028 number was the halfway point of Iran’s new-case-number curve, Mr. Levitt’s prediction was very close to perfect.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    You cite only two sources to support the remainder of your comment.

    One source’s article does not present anything definitive, or even clear or unimpeachable respecting that article’s topic; mostly it renders an immunity-mechanism lesson — a gratuitous lesson that no competent physicians or competent biochemists or physiologists needs. That article proves NOTHING respecting whether Mr. Levitt’s arguments are sound. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420306103

    The other source is an article that presents an argument in favor of using one more of the all-too-numerous unproven, or proven ineffective, unjustifiably dangerous, or widely debated “cures” or “infection-mitigators. That article proves NOTHING respecting whether Mr. Levitt’s arguments are sound.

    Please know that (as I have demonstrated with my comments posted under other Unz Review articles), I am a physician and statistician and quite competent to understand fully and determine the limits of the significancies of the two sources you cited and equally competent to criticize the two sources you cite.

    You assert: Mike Whitney claim that threshold immunity is “5 to 15% of the population” is totally unsupported. Mr. Whitney’s support obtains from Mr. Levitt’s articles an press statements. You do not show that Mr. Levitt’s propositions do not support Mr. Whitney’s “claim.” Rather, you show that you misrepresent, even falsify, Mr. Levitt’s propositions and that you are incompetent to assess his propositions or even the sources you cite erroneously as support of your comment.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @utu
  252. Loup-Bouc says:
    @map

    Two or more weeks ago, I indicated that I would not reply to more of your George Floyd case toxic dreck. Now, you put more toxic dreck concerning the Floyd case, dreck that is even more toxic, more flagrantly law-and-medicine ignorant, and much more malordorous than your previous toxic dreck.

    Worse, your comment is utterly out of place in this comment-thread the topic of which is “Covid-19” (not the murder of Floyd or police brutality or fentanyl or other drugs or anything else even remotely related to the Floyd murder case).

    I repeat, again: I will not engage engage you in discussion of Floyd’s murder.

  253. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “But 5-15% seems ridiculously low to me.” – Even Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency of Sweden does not believe in 15% which is implied by his recent statement:

    The architect of Sweden’s no-lockdown strategy said up to 30% of its population could now be immune to COVID-19, a claim backed up by little data

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus-chief-immunity-levels-studies-contradict-2020-8

    Sweden death per capita is 5-10 higher than in similar countries like Finland, Norway and Denmark. But int could have been even worse because there was increased social distancing in Sweden. ‘Voluntary’ self-imposed mobility of Swedes dropped by 30%:

    https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/five-problems-swedish-approach-covid-19
    In Norway and Denmark, for example, mobility dropped by 59 percent and 60 percent, respectively, at its lowest point, while Sweden’s mobility dropped by a maximum of 33 percent

    The curve of daily new cases is never exponential for very long even if there is no official countermeasures imposed by authorities. Once people become aware that something is going on they began to self-impose social-distancing countermeasure and the exponent coefficient (related to R0) begins to drop. Sweden is a country where R0 in unconstrained situation is much lower than most other countries due to low population density and low person occupancy per housing. There are more people who live alone than in any other European country.

    Can we believe the official curve of daily deaths per total deaths from Sweden? Does it imply as Mike Whitney followers claim that Sweden has reached the saturation level of herd immunity? R0 in Sweden is below 1 and small because of social distancing and government imposed measures of which we do not hear. But if Swedes were made to forgot about the epidemic and abandon voluntary self-distancing and become happy go lucky Swedes (if such an animal exist) again the curve would begin to grow.

  254. @Twodees Partain

    You are what is being named COVIDIOT these day! Wish you and your parents well! I hope you don’t transmit the virus to them!

    • Replies: @Paul C.
    , @Twodees Partain
  255. @vot tak

    Tak Vot you are Zionazi propaganda.

    • Troll: vot tak
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  256. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @map

    You people are so clever. First you hire actors and put them into Minneapolis Police Uniforms under the pretext of filming a TV show. You have an actor playing “George Floyd” say he “can’t breathe.” You make believe the actors were real police. You make believe that a White Policeman callously killed a Black man. You cause national rioting and millions of dollars of damage and undermine the country. Then the story changes. You say that Derek Chauvin the actor was a “trainer” and the other four fake policemen were “trainees” who have “all been “fired already.” Fired for what? Being Trainees? That of course means that an actor was role playing the “Black Victim.” Then the story changes again. Now you are saying that “Floyd” died an hour later “in the imaginary hospital,” taken away by [bad] actor ambulance attendants. So. Of course you don’t want Derek Chauvin to be tried publicly because that risks exposing the whole scam. These changing stories are all to make the whole fake thing go away after starting the destruction of the United States and bringing America to the brink of civil war. By creating the fake story that the fake death was an hour later you would like there to be no fake trial of Derek Chauvin “the Police murderer.” That would expose that Chauvin was never a policeman just an actor. And that “George Floyd” was just an actor.
    You are the ones guilty of murder.
    Well, the people are going to demand a full televised trial of Derek Chauvin and his accomplices of these dirty tricks so that a full investigation into this criminal Psy-Op is exposed and you and the really guilty ones are put on trial for treason.

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  257. @freedom-cat

    Technocracy and all the other -cracies & -isms are just so many diversions when all it ever is is ‘The Benjamins.”

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  258. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    The authors claim that herd immunity can be reached once 5-15% of the population becomes infected, which seems *extremely* implausible to me. My guess is that the Haaretz people had the same reaction, which is why they avoided having the article translated.

    AND

    I’d be the first to admit that under the right circumstances herd immunity might be achieved at an infection rate considerably below the 60-70% default. But 5-15% seems ridiculously low to me.

    So, what-“seems”-to-you can substitute for, even trump, hard scientific evidence (pro or con). And the “5-15%” figure is clearly false (??) because of what “ssems” to you?

    And, having extra sensory perception, you can “guess” (even correctly??) the actual reason of Haaretz’s not translating Mr. Levitt’s article, even that Haaretz controlled, exclusively, the matter of whether the article could or would be translated; and you can “guess” that the “reason” was that the article’s 5-15% figure was, necessarily, flawed. Even can your extra sensory perception know that the translation was entertained (by Mr. Levitt or Haaretz) and rejected.

    Or have you used your standard faux statistical method to divine that what-“seems”-to-you is certain truth? Standard faux statistical method? See, e.g., many of my comments posted under yhour article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    You possess zero medical, biochemical, physiological, or epidemiology expertise or even substantial (or any??) education in any of those fields. And Mr. Levitt’s was the 2013 chemistry prize Nobel Laureate and is a biophysicist and computational biology expert. Yet, YOU know more than Mr. Levitt does.

    Unlike what-“ssems”-to-you, Mr. Unz, Mr. Levitt’s 5-15% figure is not inconsistent with the epidemiology literature. See, e.g., these:
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.935.1796&rep=rep1&type=pdf [not limited to vaccination-produced herd immunity]
    [20-25% vaccinate] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X04007297

    In this alleged “Covid-19″pandemic situation, previous herd immunity models cannot apply readily, or securely, much because too little is known of the mechanisms or behaviors of (a) “Covid-19” or (b) of the clinical effects of “Covid-19” infections or (c) of whether the supposed virus is a single virus or exists as a genetically indentifiable unique pathogen.

    We have learned that, contrary to the early notion that “Covid-19” began in Wuhan, China, either that supposed virus or an intimately similar one existed and apparently infected some individuals substantially before it was “discovered” in Wuhan.
    https://www.rt.com/news/493085-covid-spain-march-2019-sewage/
    https://sputniknews.com/society/202005071079234407-covid-19-may-have-started-spreading-as-early-as-october-2019-study/
    https://www.rt.com/news/487294-france-coronavirus-strain-italy-china/

    Mr. Levitt’s 5-15% figure is, at this point, tenable, though debatable (by medical and biochemical/physiological scientists, NOT by YOU). Still, now, the pertinent scientific communities lack data and experimental and clinical knowledge sufficient to refute, conclusively, Mr. Levitt’s 5-15% figure.

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Brás Cubas
  259. vot tak says:
    @ploni almoni

    My own personal zionazi-gay stalker.

  260. @anonymous

    Get this…. In Australia we are in the middle of flu season. In our “worst hit”and most locked down state, they are telling the population, “because cold and flu have been eradicated in Victoria, if you get symptoms it’s DEFINITELY COVID.” You couldn’t make this stuff up!

    Just last year out country had over 700 flu deaths. Now it’s eradicated!

    • Agree: Alfred
  261. @Loup-Bouc

    What you are saying is meaningless.

    I live in Boston which is basically Massachusetts.

    We have a population of about 7 million in Massachusetts.

    We lead the world with New York and New Jersey and Connecticut and Rhode Island in all rates and numbers. Hands down.

    We have also had the spread controlled since mid-June.

    Forget the UK or Spain or Belgium.

    Everybody wears masks. I have two good friends that have lost loved ones. One a 26-year-old sister.

    We peaked at 2200 cases a day and 170 deaths a day on a population of 7 million.

    Those are real numbers that check out. Of course there is fraud. There always is. But you are just guessing at the extent with nothing to back your claims.

    1.4% a day. That’s not cooking the books. That’s comprehensive testing. We still get 300 cases and 15 deaths a day. If you pay attention to the news those are numbers that would make ANY OTHER country in the world the size of Massachusetts shit their pants.

    Australia was in the news today with 25 deaths. Be serious.

    We are testing 15-30,000 people a day with a positivity rate down to 1.4%.

    I’ll pass on the link to the Massachusetts statistics daily update. It is GOOD. A level of proficiency you will not see on UNZ or in Mike Whitney’s posts.

    COVID-19 Dashboard – August 18, 2020

    https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-august-18-2020/download

  262. utu says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Mike Levitt made claims that he predicted the outcome of the epidemic in China:

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate
    He predicted that the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.

    This forecast turned out to be remarkably accurate: As of March 16, China had counted a total of 80,298 cases and 3,245 deaths

    Let’s try to verify his claim. When did he predict it and did he make different predictions as well? Was his prediction challenging and difficult?

    For some psychological reasons (one of them that his wife is into Chinese art) Mike Levitt got very active when the epidemic broke out in China. In January he began with his students and coworkers to analyze data coming from China and he began to issue reports with analyses on his group website. His methodology was purely technical, no need for epidemiology or virology knowledge. Stock market analyst could have done it. He was looking at data and calculating growth (first derivative) and rate of growth (second deviate) and kept fitting different functions to data to attempt an extrapolation, i.e;, prediction. Basically a standard technical analysis of trends w/o a need for any a priori knowledge of mechanism that drive the data. Here are his prediction from his website:

    http://med.stanford.edu/levitt.html
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/vp4u2ae5yaswhk5/2.%20All_Michael_Levitt_22_Reports_on%20COVID-19_2-Feb-to-3-Mar.pdf?dl=0

    Page 22: Analysis of nCov-2019 Data on 2/7/2020 by Michael Levitt
    An extrapolation based on the sigmoid function (see Fig. 3) suggests that the number of deaths will not exceed 1000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value on 14-Feb-2020.

    Levitt’s 7 days prediction turned out to be 523 deaths too low. Did he mean that 1000 would be the total? If so he was by 2000 off.

    page 34: Analysis of nCov-2019 Data on 2/9/2020 by Michael Levitt
    An extrapolation based on the sigmoid function (see Fig. 3) suggests that the number of deaths may not exceed 2000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value by 16-Feb-2020.

    Levitt’s 7 days prediction turned out to be by 230 deaths too high. Did he mean that 2000 would be the total? If so he was by 1000 off.

    page 49: Analysis of nCov-2019 Data on 2/13/2020” by Michael Levitt
    An extrapolation based on the sigmoid function (see Fig. 3) suggests that the number of Hubei deaths may not exceed 2000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value by 20-Feb-2020.

    Levitt’s 7 days prediction turned out to be by 236 deaths too low.

    page 66: Analysis of nCov-2019 Data on 2/21/2020” by Michael Levitt
    Total Number of Hubei Deaths will reach 3,000

    On Feb 21 the epidemic in Hubei is past the peak meaning that over 50% of total death have already occurred. Is it really hard to come up with number 3000 for the total? Just multiply the deaths before the peak by 2 and you will be close for cases like China where R0 was pushed close to zero, meaning that the epidemic would not have a long tail.

    page 78: Analysis of COVID-2019 Data on 2/23/2020 by Michael Levitt
    Better analysis in Fig. 4 gives asymptotic values of 65,050 and 3,030 for Number of Cases and Deaths, respectively.

    As new data are coming so Levitt is refining his prediction. He makes this prediction when over 80% deaths have already occurred in Hubei. Though he is still off by 81 of deaths for Hubei total as of March 17.

    To recap: Mike Levitt prediction of China’s outcome is overhyped by him. To get prediction accurate to within 10% when already 85% of deaths occurred is not a feat. Levitt seems to be a shameless self promoter who embellishes his accomplishments. In other words Levitt’s claim about his prediction. of the epidemic outcome in China is one big BS.

  263. Loup-Bouc says:

    Your reply is incoherent, so much so that it resists response, near-utterly.

    One matter though:

    But you are just guessing at the extent with nothing to back your claims.

    Because of the inpenetrable vagueness of your language, I cannot divine what “claims” you may try to reference. But I can, however, address your language “just guessing” and “nothing to back”: see, e.g.,
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    AND
    ALSO
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    AND
    ALSOAND
    ALSO

    • Thanks: Alfred
  264. vot tak says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    You’ve really gone over the top, haven’t you. Very strange melt down. The herd immunity canard may not last much longer, regardless the zionazi-gay propaganda. Virus mutatation may make the herd immunity concept irrelevant, making it moot whether it is scientifically valid or not.

    ‘That’s a Good Thing’: More Infectious COVID-19 Mutation Less Deadly Than Other Strains, Expert Says

    https://sputniknews.com/society/202008181080210221-thats-a-good-thing-more-infectious-covid-19-mutation-less-deadly-than-other-strains-expert-says/

    “The D614G mutation, a common strain of the COVID-19 novel coronavirus that has been found in Europe and North America and recently in parts of Asia, may be more infectious than other strains. However, it may also be less deadly, according to Paul Tambyah, the president-elect of the International Society of Infectious Diseases.

    Some evidence suggests that proliferation of the D614G mutation correlates to a drop in death counts from COVID-19, Tambyah explained, Reuters reported.

    “Maybe that’s a good thing to have a virus that is more infectious but less deadly,” Tambyah told Reuters, also noting that viruses typically become less deadly as they mutate.

    “It is in the virus’ interest to infect more people but not to kill them because a virus depends on the host for food and for shelter,” he said.

    The mutation was discovered as early as February and has been the predominant strain in the US and Europe. It was more recently discovered in Southeast Asia, particularly in India, Malaysia and the Philippines.

    On Sunday, Malaysian Director General of Health Noor Hisham Abdullah warned the public about the mutation after it was discovered in two case clusters, one in Sivaganga, a town in India, and one in Ulu Tiram, a Malaysian town. In a Facebook alert, he warned that the strain was 10 times more infectious than others and may thus not respond to a potential vaccine.

    However, according to both Tambyah and Sebastian Maurer-Stroh of Singapore’s Agency for Science, Technology and Research, virus mutations are unlikely to reduce the effectiveness of potential vaccines.

    “[The] variants are almost identical and did not change areas that our immune system typically recognize, so there shouldn’t be any difference for vaccines being developed,” Maurer-Stroh told Reuters.”

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    , @Loup-Bouc
  265. Alfred says:
    @utu

    I am frankly amazed that people are still discussing herd immunity and the necessary percentage to achieve it.

    It has been achieved in Europe for some months – and you the media continues screaming blue murder and presenting fake meaningless numbers. The lockdowns are still going on and this is totally unreal. Clearly, public health was never the main concern of all politicians of all hues.

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  266. @glib

    I think you missed my point. I’m not making any conclusions. I’m saying it is possible to look at the data different ways and Whitney isn’t – he is putting the conclusion before the analysis.

    Nothing is clear from a comprehensive analysis. So good luck with Whitney’s non-comprehensibe 2200 word analysis.

    The numbers have also been different in different regions all along the time line. Defying the models.

    And at UNZ you still have the same characters on this thread arguing the same tired shit as 5 months ago. Clueless.

    Always has to be a conspiracy.

    The worst part is that graph. What the hell is that? How is that evidence of an authoritarian takeover of the globe?

    • Replies: @glib
  267. @Monty Ahwazi

    You’re a troll who can’t spell and can’t compose a coherent sentence. I hope you enjoy wearing that mask and sucking up to the morally retarded politicians who insist that you wear it. Welcome to my ignore list.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  268. @Paul C.

    Unfortunately I do run into plenty of COVIDIOTS like you and other commenters everywhere daily! Don’t become another burden on the service providers!

  269. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Johnny Rico

    I neglected to indicate that my August 19, 2020 at 2:15 am GMT comment (comment # 272) replies to your comment to which this note, too, replies.

  270. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    Much, your comment depends on your assertions that Mr. Levitt expresses certain propositions. I cannot verify your assertions, because your reference is a set of dropbox files that seem unopenable; surely I cannot open them.

    The http://med.stanford.edu/levitt.html link opens some or all of the files in a medium that cuts off about 1/4 of the left side of the texts and graphs. So, again, I cannot verify your assertions with the webpage(s) linked with this: http://med.stanford.edu/levitt.html.

    Because your previous comment bore fallacies, I do not rust your assertions. Also, in your current comment, as in your current one, your number are at best questionable (likely false) and some inferences are clearly false. I have not enough time to put details now. I shall do so tomorrow. Also tomorrow, I shall debunk the essences of your comment.

    • Replies: @utu
  271. @Trinity

    I know. And that is precisely why I like you. You are not like the others.

  272. Sam J. says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “…No disposable mask can trap a virus…”

    This is disingenuous and bends the facts by focusing on one part of the picture to the exclusion of the whole picture.

    That mask can not stop all virus particles at all has noting to do with the fact that they can stop some. A simple example is HEPA filters used in semi-conductor manufacturing. One layer can not stop all nano-particle sized dust but a combination of them can.

    I have first hand experience with more specialized mask. 3M’s filters that keep out vapors. When I weld without a mask it kills me. My lungs fill up with flem. It’s terrible but I can wear 3M mask and weld fine.

    The cheap mask are not as good but a better N95 mask have electrostatic attractors that capture nano particles.

    The statement that mask don’t do anything is a flat out lie and disinformation.

    To make it clear I am not in support of forcing people to wear mask but if a pandemic is about it’s stupid not to wear one because it increases your odds of not getting the virus. I also do not believe that the present state of the virus is the same as that of when, I believe, it was first released. I think it has recombined to be less lethal just like virus weapons researchers say it should do.

    Completely ignoring that a shit load of people died and not all of them decrepit people on their last breath is foolish.

  273. Sam J. says:
    @Dumbo

    “…Walking outside with a surgical mask is pointless and comic…”

    “…But to me what was really “engineered” was not so much the virus itself but the panic and the lockdown measures. THAT for sure was all planned…”

    I would certainly agree with both of these statements. I don’t agree that viruses don’t cause disease.

  274. Sam J. says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “…I have been saying that this (((virus))) was a MANUFACTURED HOAX SINCE DAY ONE…”

    You people here that are not Hasbara it might very well be that although this virus didn’t kill off as many as the Jews wanted they could easily unleash a worse one. Wearing a mask may not save you but it will increase your odds of surviving by a large amount. So if you see another pandemic it wouldn’t hurt you to wear a mask in public places and don’t believe that all virus scares are a hoax.

    Some things to acquire are zinc, Quercetin(this is over the counter and preforms the same function as chloroquine in letting zinc into cells to kill viruses), and Liposomal vit. C (good to kill viruses and dampen inflation).

    It may very well be that the Chinese virus shut down in Wuhan was a hoax but I seriously doubt that the Chinese would shut down a whole city and even regions if there was not a good reason. There were also plenty of videos of people, not aged decrepit people on their last legs, falling out in the streets in Wuhan. I also know a person personally not decrepit who got corona and became very ill but recovered. This talk about corona NEVER being a threat is a big lie. That it was used to lock down the nation AFTER it had lost potency I agree with but that doesn’t mean it was never a threat.

    • Replies: @map
  275. Sam J. says:

    “Plandemic” video

    Leading viral researcher writes paper on contamination of blood supply by tainted vaccines. Fired, arrested and bankrupted. Forced to remain silent under court order for five years. Fauci involved in massive cover up. WOW!!!

    https://plandemicvideo.com/

    “…it’s very clear this virus was manipulated[corona]…that can not be naturally occurring…”

    “…Ebola couldn’t infect human cells until we took it into the laboratories and taught them…”

    The corruption is vast and never ending. These people need to be hung up by the neck on lamp post all over Washington DC.

  276. Sam J. says:
    @vot tak

    “…Some evidence suggests that proliferation of the D614G mutation correlates to a drop in death counts from COVID-19, Tambyah explained, Reuters reported….”

    BINGO! So we have mass death at first, five different viral research centers say it is engineered, a viral weapons researcher said that engineered viruses break down fast to less legality because they are not stable and now we have genetic confirmation that the virus has mutated to a less lethal form.

    So all this talk about the whole thing being a ruse is not the whole story is it???

  277. mastodon says:
    @Emslander

    all spp must eventually live within the means (carrying capacity) of their environment, we are no different. yet with typical mammalian fecundity we have the capacity to outbreed our environment, hence we either control our own population numbers or nature will, and nature is in no way means or form “humane”.

    Understand overshoot (read Catton), understand exosomatic energy and the population this supports (fossil fuels baby) then tell me how this ends…. ever heard of the reindeer of St Mathews island?? what kills yeast in a vat of wine?? read easters end by diamond, ever hear about the island peoples who every 4 or 5 yrs would send all the young men away on the “great adventure” purely to keep the population down.

    You call me an “effing killer”, because I believe we are capable of controlling our numbers because we must, …. child.

    We as a spp are making a huge cluster on this rock, collapse and dieoff are inevitable, consider the current covid1984 brave new normal an attempt by the 0.1% to manage the dieoff whilst retaining their position at the top. Who after all funded the club of rome, the difference is they took the work seriously to heart whilst telling everyone else to ignore it.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  278. Whatever the truths of this Covid matter may be, Wuhan is over it and partying big time without masks or consideration of social distancing:

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/498256-wuhan-water-party-covid-lockdown/

    Please can we all get to this stage elsewhere.

  279. JonT says:
    @Saggy

    Damage. Nuke. Retard. Change. We can argue about the economic effects, and the appropriate hyperbole. The jury is going to be out for a while I guess. From Melbourne it doesn’t look good, I don’t think I was being OTT. Not really my main point though, was IT? I’ll restate my point in light of economics though:
    Wuhan is a province affected by covid within a larger trade and movement polity that was quarantined from above and then locked down.
    Sweden is a an area of similar population, also affected, that pursued a far more open policy in line with its perceived economic interests, and had similar results.

    Further, at no point did the Swedes have to submit to a police state, nor did they set dangerous precedents for the scope of government interference in their movement , relationships, freedom of association and worship, etc.
    The point is to compare apples for apples, which I don’t think Mr. Romanoff did.

  280. Miro23 says:

    In short, just about everything we were told from the very beginning turned out to be demonstrably wrong. Why is that? Why do you think that the people who provided us with the information –many of them supposedly “experts” in their field– were so wrong about everything? And why haven’t they made any effort to publicly correct their mistakes when they realize how much confusion they’ve caused?

    No individual political leader will take the risk of getting back to normal – given the political/media threat.

    One idea would be for a more independent political block like Visegrad (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia) to jointly declare that they are returning to normal given 1) the present realistic appreciation of the risk 2) the experience of their northern and Eastern neighbours Sweden and Belarus.

    Doing so jointly would diffuse the ZioGlob/MSM attack and maybe also encourage Western countries to break out of the trap.

  281. IT’s just as easy to buy a scientist as it is to buy a politician .

  282. Thanks for setting the record straight about this Covid lunacy, Mr Whitney. Big fan of your writing from my Counterpunch days….

  283. @Johnny Rico

    How to keep the coronavirus hoax going during the Summer months test,test,test,test,test , using the “Mickey Mouse” RT-PCR test kits you are bound to get some false positive test results. In Rhode Island the Providence Journal reports a positive test result as a COVID “case” , since when is a positive test result a “case”? In “Manufactured pandemic,testing people for any strain of a coronavirus, not specifically for COVID-19 ” globalresearch.ca the author explains how the PCR should not be used to test for a virus and that a cold or a flu shot may cause a false positive result. The testing kits being used were permitted under the CDC’s and FDA’s Emergency Use Autnorization (EUA) and have never been scientifically validated. In Europe when they performed autopsies on alleged Coronavirus victims they were unable to confirm that even one case was caused by COVID-19 . To make matters worse , some scientists are claiming that the alleged Coronavirus has not been purified and question its very existence.

  284. Dear conspiracy theorists, there is no plan, there is no grand plan and there is no elitist. It’s all imagination in your head, in your collective head, which was due to your life-long inferiority complex from your dumb head, ignorance, doing badly in all K12 classes, your stupidity made you look for cause for your idiocy which created the fictitious cause or name – “elitist”. You, right-wing republican trump cult want the world back before Nicolaus Copernicus and invented QAnon and Conspiracy theory and you told your fellow fools, to research for yourself. Your cult deny human civilization and human advancement and history. You all should be thrown back to the stone age and make you dig up the dirts and make your living or die together. Your Trump cult is worse than the Jonestown cult. You Trump followers are the most ignorant stupid fools in the world. You don’t belong in America. You belong in zimbabwe or venezuela or russia, but not in the USA. Hope you all Trump cult members drink Kool Aid and be done with life, like yesterday. Fuck you all, you Trump cult the dumbest people in the world.

    • Agree: Monty Ahwazi
    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  285. Emslander says:
    @mastodon

    all spp must eventually live within the means (carrying capacity) of their environment, we are no different. yet with typical mammalian fecundity we have the capacity to outbreed our environment, hence we either control our own population numbers or nature will, and nature is in no way means or form “humane”.

    Your fundamental error is to compare human beings to bacilli. Your example of an island where the young men were sent away is, of course, a pagan response, but it shows the capacity for people to use their intelligence in humane ways to adapt to their limited environments. That’s the thing about us human beings. We don’t need to kill the unborn or adopt lives without love or families.

    My stupid post on a website won’t convince you, but each human person is made in the image and likeness of God and therefore more valuable in eternity than all the rest of the created environment.

    Many learned books have been researched and written that prove that human life has had an almost non-existent impact on the potential productivity of planet earth. I could take you to local environments now going to waste within an hour’s drive of wherever you live that would support families, villages and towns full of happy loving people enjoying the lives God intends for them. My grandfather supported six children to adulthood on a forty acre plot of land in the Midwest. He did what he learned from his ancestors and they lived very well. His children had forty grandchildren, many of whom achieved elite educations and prestigious professions, and they believe like you.

    The human spirit is stronger and more capable of order and beauty than all the bacilli you can come up with. Free yourself from your self-hatred.

  286. @obwandiyag

    Here’s a list of the media’s favorite symptomless symptoms.

    They are all either temporary or due to being in hospital. Not one of them is permanent or clearly because of the virus. This is just plain bad reporting.

    Remember the advice that if you get the Flu to not do any hard exercise for a few weeks after recovery? The Flu always causes heart weakness (and pain in most large muscles especially the thighs) and if you ignore this advice you can damage your heart. That’s been common knowledge for years.

    News headline: “Flu Acquires Covid19 Ability to Permanently Damage Heart”

    Some lung scarring was apparently discovered, but which patients was this in? Were they old? Yes. Were they on ventilators? Don’t know.

    I wouldn’t worry about it. There is no known way to stop the spread of a respiratory virus anyway.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11763754/mild-case-coronavirus-long-term-organ-damage/

    • Replies: @Cook
  287. Tim too says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Also, no one really knows how long infectious immunity lasts, and herd immunity only works if it’s permanent or at least very long-lasting.”

    We do have some idea of how long infectious immunity lasts: for rapidly mutating viruses like influenza A, immunity is short, less than a year, probably less than 6 months. But subsequent rounds of infection will be less severe than the first round of infection.

    For slowly mutating DNA viruses, the immunity lasts much longer, many years, for some, immunity lasts the whole life time.

    The corona Covid19 is an RNA virus with rapid mutation, immunity is likely to be not long, a year or less. Probably less than a year. So it is probably destined to become an endemic seasonal issue, like influenza. An important thing is that, the acute phase of infection for subsequent rounds of infection will be shorter and milder than the initial acute phase. That is, subsequent rounds of infection will be less severe, because one’s lymphocyte system already has something to go on for antibody production.

  288. @Larry Romanoff

    Reworked this for you – ” Of course, we can always escape by claiming that China’s statistics are TRUE, but there is no evidence to support that assertion.

    ” and in fact the US’ own Dr. Fauci stated that US infections are understated by as much as 90%. ” Same Fauci that said ‘don’t wear masks they are completely ineffective’ but reversed 180 degrees later on? Fauci that said 1 mil to 2 mil people will die in the U.S.?

  289. Trinity says:
    @Paul C.

    ROTFLMMFWAO. “Branch Covidians.” Best one yet, although “Cohenvirus” is more accurate.

    • Agree: Sam J.
  290. Cook says:
    @Obarak Bana

    Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years – The New York Times, Oct. 1, 2018 {About 73 thousand COVID-19 deaths in USA, Aug.19/20.}

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.html

    Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years – The New York Times
    http://www.nytimes.com
    Among the dead were 180 babies, children and teenagers, more than in any year since the C.D.C. began tracking pediatric deaths.

    Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years

    Among the dead were 180 babies, children and teenagers, more than in any year since the C.D.C. began tracking pediatric deaths.

    Donald G. McNeil Jr.
    Oct. 1, 2018

    More than 80,000 Americans died of the flu in the winter of 2017-2018, the highest number in over a decade, federal health officials said last week.

    Although 90 percent of those deaths were in people over age 65, the flu also killed 180 young children and teenagers, more than in any other year since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began using its current surveillance methods.

    The estimates were released at a news conference held by the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases to urge Americans to get vaccinated and to fight the myths that scare off some people — such as the common misconception that flu shots can cause flu.

    The high mortality rate was unusual because it was caused by a “normal” — albeit severe — flu season, not by a new pandemic influenza strain.

    In the 2009-2010 swine flu epidemic, by contrast, 59 million Americans are thought to have caught the novel strain that first appeared in the spring, but only about 12,000 died because the infection was relatively mild, according to the C.D.C.

    (That flu, an H1N1 strain, was called a “swine flu,” despite the objections of the pork industry, because it emerged in a pig-farming region of Mexico and was the first human flu virus to contain genes from both North American and Eurasian pig flus.)

    The dominant strain last season was an H3N2 flu, which is usually the most deadly of the four seasonal flu strains that typically circulate.

    Last season’s flu vaccine was only about 40 percent effective at preventing infection — approximately the same as the previous season’s, according to the C.D.C.

    Vaccine effectiveness varies quite a bit each year, from a high of 60 percent in 2010-11 to a low of 19 percent ….

  291. @Twodees Partain

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it! Take care of your parents!

  292. utu says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    ” the files in a medium that cuts off about 1/4 of the left side of the texts and graphs” – click on the arrow in the upper right corner to fold the margin and then click on the downward pointing arrow to download the pdf.

  293. @Georges G.

    Obviously you are disinforming the readers as you do not know French mentality as well as the fact that a few people died for taking this medicine preemptively. It was always available under the counter, no problem. If you think that French people respect the decisions of the government you are very naive. There is no serious study demonstrating that hcq is useful as a treatment. You rely the lie that it is useful at an early stage, when at this stage most patients will anyway not develop complicatons. It is so “innocuous” that it is necessary to put treated people under electro-cardiogram survey. It is not necessary to fight the virus itself, but the complications. As you pointed it hcq is useless to fight the complications. Other medicines do it.

  294. “CENSORED: COVID19 PCR Tests are scientifically meaningless -Everything we have been told about COVID is a HOAX!”healthimpactnews.com

  295. @Twodees Partain

    Not just simple “bullshit”.

    It is a well planned and implemented propaganda operation with a specific purpose. The purpose is to cover up the financial collapse while they change the rules and redesign our economic life. Large corporations will be bailed out and they will rule. Our enemy is big banks, big business, big government, and big gangsters (2BB-2BG)..

    Here are two very pertinent quotes on the power of propaganda:

    “This broadness of outline from which we must never depart, in combination with steady, consistent emphasis, allows our final success to mature. And then, to our amazement, we will see what tremendous results such perseverance leads to – to results that are almost beyond our understanding”. [Mein Kampf, Chapter 6: War Propaganda].

    “And in England they understood one more thing: that this spiritual weapon can succeed only if it is applied on a tremendous scale, but that success amply covers all costs”.
    [Mein Kampf, Chapter 6: War Propaganda].

    It is a well planned and implemented propaganda operation whose purpose is to deceive, manipulate, and condition us. Making the people wear a mask is training, just like putting a leash on a dog, or giving them a food dish, taking it away, and then giving it back, just to teach them who’s boss.

    Are we going to give in to this without a political and economic fight?

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  296. @Yukon Jack

    Masks are VERY effective at stopping the infected droplets of moisture leaving someone’s mouth or nose. They are not intended to stop individual viruses. In fact, we inhale individual viruses regularly and they are quickly dried out and rendered benign by normal passage of air in and out of our lungs. It is when we are exposed to a cluster of them that they can establish themselves in our respiratory tact and begin the process of replicating. Yes, masks are a public health necessity at this time.

    • Replies: @TRM
  297. @Loup-Bouc

    Excellent comment! You are certainly one of this webzine’s better commenters.

    Being a smart guy, you have probably already noticed that Ron Unz is a hardcore sinophile. This whole site seems to be centered on China advocacy, the exceptions being there for marginal purposes. Unz even scolds one of his writers, one Godfree Roberts, for being too excessive in his defense of China, which he thinks is bad for credibility. The two play a sort of good cop/bad cop game.

    I can’t of course read anyone’s mind, but everyone is free to speculate, and it’s hard not to notice that handling the Covid-19 rationally and preserving the economy of the U.S. (or possibly of Europe even) might be seen as a little unfair to China, especially if one thinks the U.S. gave the virus to China. If China goes down, everyone else must too.

    Evidence seems to be mounting in favor of a very low herd immunity. Brazil may be close to that stage. We have close to 3,500,000 cases. Considering 8 non-reported infections for each case (reported infection), we have 15% of our population infected. A few days ago, the Imperial College has reported that Brazil has reached for the first time R0<1.

    • Troll: L.K
  298. @Monty Ahwazi

    I think we need other character types besides “Troll”.

    How about “Brainwashed Zombie”.

    The emotional personal attack is the clue. It is a conditioned response just like Pavlov’s dogs. You will receive an emotional personal attack if you mention the following:

    1) you question or do not believe the killer virus myth
    2) you question or do not believe that HIV causes AIDS
    3) you question or do not believe the jewish holocaust myth
    4) you question or do not believe the war over slavery myth

    Watch for the emotional attack and then you will know what psychological pathology you are dealing with.

    • Agree: Jaroslav Hašek
  299. @flashlight joe

    Here’s another COVIDIOT! As mentioned earlier there are plenty of the COVIDIOTS around in the US thus the reason for your fearless leader, as the representative of the elites, has killed over 170000 people of which close to half of them were on Medicare, Medicaid, SS or SSI! The virus was designed to reduce the cost burden by about $1T annually for these government agencies! Go ahead and help him out as much as you can!

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Monty Ahwazi
  300. So, what I still don’t get is how the Democratic Party of the USA was able to persuade so many countries to adopt this when their own governments are democratically elected, or in the case of China, how they persuaded a communist state to adopt this shut-down strategy. It all reads very well until you lay it at the feet of “Democrats” like it’s purely a USA problem. I’m sure the people dying in South Africa could give a hoot about what the USA wants to happen, but they’ve had some of the most draconian measures in place for 5 months (including a ban on smoking and alcohol sales – only recently lifted then reinstated) and how you can convince the rulers of Singapore to go along with what some politicians and their supporters in the USA think is a great idea.

    It’s a pandemic. Which, by definition, is a global problem and not just some outbreak of Ebola in a far away jungle.

    The arguments about this not being a “novel” virus has no basis in fact. The protein and genetic analysis of it show it cannot be detected by the “killer” T-cells but it can be detected by the “memory” T-cells. And you need both of them for protection.

    As to the numbers regarding survivability I think you’re reading the charts wrong. There are many more categories of illness states that you cannot just boil it down to 2:1 comparisons. The other part – which is never addressed – is the where compromised people, not yet showing symptoms, are highly contagious spreaders who don’t even know they have it. This is also ‘novel’ in the sense that with other “corona type” infections the period of contagion is well known.

    I also didn’t see anything about levels of testing for the countries mentioned (which is a factor conveniently ignored) and I did not see any consideration for living conditions in those countries. But this is consistent with the popular use of ‘selective’ facts (which can be actual facts) in service of a larger narrative involving ‘invisible’ forces “re-shaping” our society. I can point to many more malicious forces operation in the advertising and marketing sectors of our democratic societies who are (and have been) reshaping attitudes toward people, inventing myths about “other” people, and who have a vested interest in keeping people afraid. If you really understand the news media as a business then it’s the ownership/corporations who are telling these lies and not the government at all. They have the government well into their pockets as puppet masters of elected officials at every level.

    Nice to read a different take on things. But it lacks consistency.

  301. Andrew Cuomo has the best record in the U.S. Tell me he is wrong.

    Trump and Putin [long term dictator now] and dear friend of President Trump who will do everything in his and Putin’s power to become a authoritarian dictator teamed up with Putin running the world stage. Definitely not the Dems.

    Denmark sent the kids back to school IN APRIL with a protocol so simple it is a laugher.

  302. Trinity says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    How is the weather in Tel Aviv, (((Monty?)))

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  303. @Monty Ahwazi

    Trinity,
    If that’s your real name? Is that the best you can do? I thought you’re more intelligent than the rest but unfortunately you have joined the rest of the COVIDOTS. Best wishes!

  304. @Lee

    The election will involve a lot of fictions…like how come there are twice the number of registered voters who voted after you count the mail ins. I bet some law officers will even catch the Democratic operatives carrying in the trunk full of ballots. You ought to ask the voters voting to show their “green cards” before they vote. Everyone that does needs to be put in a deportation paddy wagon. Many are complaining that California and Los Cruces, N.M. had trial runes in the last election when they got very amazing switches in winners after the mail ins were counted. Mail in votes is a sure prelude to ” we’ll keep finding new batches of new ballots until the Democrats win.” There will be good reasons for conflict after the next election. The Democrats are setting it up now, before the candidates are even set in concrete. I’m afraid if they get away with this there will be plenty of reason for the productive part of our society to refuse to pay the 70% tax the Democrats have promised to pass after they are elected. Is there anyone willing to accept the printed dollars after they issue a few trillion more and try to buy a loaf of bread or a dozen eggs for under a thousand dollars?

  305. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    Thank you for your comment of August 19, 2020 at 6:23 pm GMT (comment # 301), which explained how to download the document you used to support your comment’s criticism of Mr. Levitt’s predictions.

    I lack time enough to proofread the following text. I type badly. So, the following text may suffer typing errors. I apologize for any such errors that may occur.

    Having reviewed your new comment’s new assertions, I find that you continue to err — that in your new criticisms of Mr. Levitt’s estimates (or predictions) and Mr. Levitt’s thesis you (a) misinterpret and misrepresent Mr. Levitt’s propositions, (b) fail to account clear facts that debunk your criticism, and, worst, (c) attempt to refute Mr. Levitt’s THESIS by trying to show minor imprecisions of details of some of Mr. Levitt’s particular, small time-frame estimates despite those imprecisions are, ultimately, irrelevant to Mr. Levitt’s THESIS.

    Page 22: Analysis of nCov-2019 Data on 2/7/2020 by Michael Levitt
    An extrapolation based on the sigmoid function (see Fig. 3) suggests that the number of deaths will not exceed 1000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value on 14-Feb-2020.

    Levitt’s 7 days prediction turned out to be 523 deaths too low. Did he mean that 1000 would be the total? If so he was by 2000 off.

    I cannot verify your assertion: “ Did he mean that 1000 would be the total? If so he was by 2000 off,” because I cannot find a valid, reliable showing of the actual death-numbers that occurred on 13, 14, or 15 February 2020 in Wuhan or the whole of Hubei province or the whole of China other than its Hubei province [the referenced geographical areas of Mr. Levitt’s prediction or estimate] and your comment did not include a source that could supports your 523-deaths assertion with valid, reliable statistics.

    Since your comment did not reference a source that may supply statistically valid, reliable Chinese Covid-19/death-rate data for the period addressed by Mr. Levitt’s estimates, your comment’s own death-number assertions are not creditable. Still, we CAN “credit” your comment’s errors or omission, misinterpretation, misrepresentation, mis-focus, logic, and “math.”

    But I must wonder, with near-amazement, at how you calculate a 2000-death discrepancy:

    If the prediction was 1000 x 0.95 on 14 February, then:
    1000 x 0.95 = 950

    If 523 deaths low, then 950 + 523 =1473 — a 473 underestimate, NOT a 2000-death discrepancy.

    Or if the prediction was 1000 on 14 February, then:
    1000 + 523 = 1523 — a 523 underestimate, NOT a 2000-death discrepancy.

    So, even if your 523 number is truth, still Mr. Levitt’s estimate was not “2000 off.”

    You err likewise (though to different degrees) through the rest of your comment. Example: You assert:

    page 34: Analysis of nCov-2019 Data on 2/9/2020 by Michael Levitt
    An extrapolation based on the sigmoid function (see Fig. 3) suggests that the number of deaths may not exceed 2000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value by 16-Feb-2020.

    Levitt’s 7 days prediction turned out to be by 230 deaths too high. Did he mean that 2000 would be the total? If so he was by 1000 off.

    If the prediction was 1000 x 0.95 on 14 February, then:
    1900 + 230 = 2130 — a 130 overestimate, NOT a 1000-death discrepancy.

    If 2000, then:
    2000 + 230 = 2230 — a 230 overestimate, NOT a 1000-death discrepancy.

    [MORE]

    On p.34 of Mr. Levitt’s Report (the p.34 you reference), this appears:

    Panel (E), shows that a week ago the Fractional Change in Total Deaths (Deaths_Today / Deaths_Yesterday) was 1.3 (30% more deaths per day) but by today this ratio is 1.12 (12% more deaths per day). Specifically, the overall ratio of deaths today to deaths yesterday has decreased steadily since 1/25/2020. This together with the data on Number of Cases in (D) suggests that the rate of increase in the number of deaths and caes [sic] will continue to slow down over the next week. An extrapolation based on the sigmoid function (see Fig. 3) suggests that the number of deaths may not exceed 2000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value by 16-Feb-2020.

    Alas, that language renders ambiguous Mr. Levitt’s assertion “ that the number of deaths may not exceed 2000 and that it will reach 95% of this limiting value by 16-Feb-2020. [If Mr. Levitt’s native tongue is Hebrew, perhaps the ambiguity is attributable to Mr. Levitt’s not having perfected his English usage.]

    The ambiguity is uncertainty whether the 2000-death figure relates to a period of 7 February-16 February 2020 or a period of 8 February-16 February 2020 or a period of 14 February-16 February 2020.

    On p.22 (the first page bearing death-number estimate), the Report states: “Showing data for New Coronavirus 2019 (nCoV) from 22 January to 6 February 2020,” and then, apparently, on that same page, the first death-number estimate is given for a period ending 14 February. But on p.34 this appears: “Showing data for New Coronavirus 2019 (nCoV) from 22 January to 8 February 2020,” and then on that same page, the second estimate is give for a period ending 16 February.

    If the Report p.34 period is 7 February to 16 February or 8 February to 16 February, then the 16 February 2000 death-number estimate is actually an estimate that the 14 February-16 February death-number increase is only 1000. THEN your 230-death overestimate assertion would be false for a reason other than that I exposed above: It would be wrong because (per your 230 -discrepancy assertion) the total deaths would be 1770 had Mr. Levitt’s estimate been 2000 but if Mr. Levitt meant a 1000 increase from 14 February 10 16 February, then Mr. Levitt’s estimate would be a 700-death underestimate.

    The REAL problem is twofold: (1) Your overestimate and underestimate figures do not have support in any valid, reliable data or statistics supplied by any reliable source. Rather, your overestimate and underestimate figures come just from YOU, who (as I show above) are not even capable of doing arithmetic or correct math-logic. (2) Like your first comment to which I replied [with my comment of August 18, 2020 at 10:06 pm GMT (comment # 259)], your second comment [August 19, 2020 at 1:55 am GMT (comment # 271)] does not answer my earlier comment’s observation that

    On 23 March 2020 (about 5 months ago), the LA Times reported (in the article you cite) that Mr. Levitt predicted that “China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.” Right now, 2:44 PM Pacific Time, 18 August 2020, China’s record is:
    Total cases = 84,871
    Total deaths = 4,634
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Accrding to the LA Times article you cited, “As of March 16, China had counted a total of 80,298 cases and 3,245 deaths….”
    Mr. Levitt’s prediction is astronomically less than the “7,000%” error you assert he committed.

    Rather than answer my above-quoted observation of my comment of August 18, 2020 at 10:06 pm GMT (comment # 259), your second comment worsens your first comments error of omission by committing a further error of omission.

    At the close of one of the two references you link — http://med.stanford.edu/levitt.html — appears a 2 May 2020 article of Freddie Sayers, which article is entitled “Nobel prize-winning scientist: the Covid-19 epidemic was never exponential” https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/ That article was published in The Post — https://unherd.com/the-post/ — which appears to be a subsidiary of UnHerd, https://unherd.com

    The above-referenced Freddie Sayers article bears both text and a video of Mr. Sayers’s interview of Mr. Levitt. I shall not address the contents of the video, because the contents are not necessary to the matter I do address now — though the video’s contents do verify the fact-assertion I shall present.

    In the Freddie Sayers article, this appears:

    He [Mr. Levitt] first spoke out in early February, when through analysing the numbers of cases and deaths in Hubei province he predicted with remarkable accuracy that the epidemic in that province would top out at around 3,250 deaths.

    So, we see a pattern. You do not confront case and death figures we know are valid and reliable but, instead, you detour discussion into a maze of math-illogic, bad arithmetic, unresolved ambiguity, and utterly unsupported death-number figures (which, perhaps, you hallucinate or pick from your cerumen or semi-dessicated nose-mucous).

    Equally or more significant: You do not confront the fact that all or near-all other “Covid-19” death-rate predictions have been astronomically more incorrect than Mr. Levitt’s, and that THOSE egregiously false estimates have been much responsible for creation of the hell of lockdowns, mask-wearing requirements, and social distancing — and near-economic-disaster and mass panic and the panic’s and dyseconomy’s serious health-harms.

    Worse: Your entire stratagem evades the matter of whether Mr. Levitt’s THESIS is valid — the matter of whether lockdowns. social distancing, mask-wearing requirements have epidemiological merit or are, instead, at-best-stupid dyseconomic measures and destroyers of liberty and the joys of life.

    In my first comment of this thread [my comment of August 18, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 180), among other links, I included these:
    (a) https://www.rt.com/op-ed/498007-covid-19-myths-lies-exposed/
    (b) https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-one-has-died-coronavirus/571766
    To those links I add, now, this:
    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/#comment-4107480

    Further, consider that on his death bed, Louis Pasteur admitted that not any microbe, but environment, explains disease that involves the presence of microbes. Pasteur meant environment that is within a person’s body, much as or more than the environment that surrounds the person’s body.

    [I shall put the following with non-technical language, much as reasonably possible, to benefit the understanding of non-physician readers.]

    U.S. mean life-span is 26th OR LOWER among major nations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#Combined_table
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
    https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/reports/2016-annual-report/comparison-with-other-nations
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-life-expectancy-compare-countries/#item-le_life-expectancy-at-birth-in-years-2017_dec-2019-update
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK62373/table/ch1.t1/?report=objectonly

    The U.S. population suffers among the worst rates of the major diseases (cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, life-threatening autoimmune diseases……). One reason is that U.S. allopathic medicine is a pill-pushing industry, and a greatly related reason is that American diet is the worst of the diets of major nations. The healthiest population is that of Okinawa. The Okinawan diet is immensely, radically different for the American diet, as Okinawan health immensely, radically better than that of Americans.

    Consider just the average American’s colon health — arguably, with liver health, the most important of the body. Consider just the following few, of the many, greatly important aspects and functions of the colon.

    Americans take antibiotics as if they were candy. Antibiotics destroy colon flora, and that destruction impairs, greatly, the rest of the health of the colon.

    Colon flora kill microbes. Colon flora eat dietary fiber, and the consumption’s bi-product feeds the liver’s bile-production. The American diet is low-fiber. Because the colon’s lymphoid follicles, together with colon flora, constitute a major part of the immune system, colon health is vital to preventing microbe-involved infection.

    Colon health is vital for numerous other holistic reasons. Example: The colon and small intestine supply most (about 90%) of the body’s serotonin — a very important neurotransmitter. [The colon supplies serotonin more than does the small intestine.] Serotonin is vital to the brain’s electrochemical health — hence, e.g., avoidance of “clinical” depression. Brain-health, and “psychic” health, are vital not only to avoidance of psychic ills, like depression, but also to myriad functions of the rest of the body, including the immune system.

    So is sodium important to brain health, “psychic” health, and general health — and immune-system health — much more than American allopathic medicine imagines. And the colon controls much the quantity of food sodium that enters the bloodstream (just as the colon determines much the quantity of other minerals that enter the blood).

    American allopathic medicine tells us to eat low-salt diets, much, supposedly, to avoid cardiovascular disease. But actually, sodium does not cause cardiovascular disease; rather is prevents and cures it (as I have cured it many times). The culprit is not sodium, but calcium, phosphorus and calcium phosphate (and inadequacy of magnesium). See, e.g., H Kesteloot & JV Joossens, Relationship of serum sodium, potassium, calcium, and phosphorus with blood pressure, Vol. 12 # 6 Journal of the American Heart Association pp. 589-593 (1988), Print ISSN: 0194-911X. Online ISSN: 1524-4563, http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/12/6/589.full.pdf

    If salt-intake causes health-trouble, the reason is that Americans consume hugely to my aqueous fluid. The reason is a misreading of an article published in the late 1940. The article concluded that the average human need to consume about 4 quarts of water daily. But in its next sentence, the article said that most water must come from food, not from drink. Some highly-placed medical moron did not read the second sentence, and began the myth that humans must drink at 4 quarts of water daily. Since “salt draws water” (cuts the kidneys removing water from the blood) by drinking 4 quarts of water daily, a human invites hypertension (caused by too much water in the lood).

    “Covid-19 has been shown to infect the colon. See, e.g., https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929222?src=wnl_tp10j_200611_mscpedit&uac=299395PY&impID=2415946&faf=1
    So, fighting “Covid-19″ infection requires maintaining the colon’s flora and protecting the health of the colon’s lymphoid follicles

    The U.S. “Covid-19″ experience was the world’s worst because Americans’ general health and immune-systems plain suck — NOT because of presence or absence of lockdowns, mask-wearing, or social distancing (which cannot work because aerosol viruses travel far more than 6 feet and not in straight lines).

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  306. @Trinity

    Are you asking for confirmation? Don’t be bashful and tell us a little more about your origin. This time of the year the desert is usually pretty hot and more than likely it has fried your brain cells if you have any left! ha ha!

  307. @chuckiecheese

    You’re an idiot, thank you for clearly letting everyone know and allowing me to put you on mute.

  308. @chuckiecheese

    Trumpy just like Jimmy Jones has the poison Kook Aids ready for the stupid cult members! The members are waiting for the “drinking order” to arrive!

  309. Astaroth says:
    @GeeBee

    Here in the UK we have to look at Churchill every time we pull out a £5 note. He was not only vile scum, but also the worst and most destructive traitor in our history. His ‘legend’ has been built up by the media. During World War 2 he was hated by most of those doing the fighting, and probably by a majority who were at home.

    • Agree: Alfred
  310. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    Emmendation:

    [MORE]

    My wife read my last-previous comment replying to you [my comment of August 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT (comment # 314)]. I was not amazed by her finding typing errors. One paragraph bears typing errors that beg correction. The problem paragraph — corrected — is this (corrections boldfaced):

    If salt-intake causes health-trouble, the reason is that Americans consume hugely too much aqueous fluid. The reason is a misreading of an article published in the late 1940s. The article concluded that the average human needs to consume about 4 quarts of water daily. But in its next sentence, the article said that most water must come from food, not from drink. Some highly-placed medical moron did not read the second sentence, and that moron began the myth that humans must drink at 4 quarts of water daily. Since “salt draws water” (cuts the kidneys’ removing water from the blood), by drinking 4 quarts of water daily, a human invites hypertension (caused by too much water in the blood).

    Addendum:

    (1) This addition supplements the preceding quote of my last-previous comment (cited above). This addition’s object is the matter of healthful relative intakes of (a) aqueous fluid and (b) salt or sodium, vis-a-vis American allopathic medicine’s stupid and very harmful advice that an average adult must drink about 4 quarts of water daily.

    The average adult human ought not drink more than 24 ounces of aqueous fluid daily.

    If a man is very tall and large and does very much hard labor or engages in fierce athletic activity long and often — so that such man sweats long and profusely — than that man ought drink more than 24 ounces of aqueous fluid in the day(s) of such activity AND not cut salt-intake, but increase it. Likewise a tall and large woman whose activity is similar; but such woman ought not increase intake of aqueous fluid or salt much as ought the man.

    I have prescribed such regimen often as part of cure of cardiovascular disease — and in two cases, combined cardiovascular disease and pulmonary hypertension, which, in one case, had led to insertion of an aortic stent, which was removed after I was called into the case and cured the patient. Compare H Kesteloot & JV Joossens, Relationship of serum sodium, potassium, calcium, and phosphorus with blood pressure, Vol. 12 # 6 Journal of the American Heart Association pp. 589-593 (1988), Print ISSN: 0194-911X. Online ISSN: 1524-4563, http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/12/6/589.full.pdf

    High sodium diet is also a necessary aspect of REAL cure of Type II Diabetes. Sodium enhances the metabolic “burning” of glucose; that glucose-metabolism effect diminishes not only serum glucose (below diabetic level) but also the burden of the endocrine pancreas. [But the patient’s whole diet — not just sodium intake — is also a vital consideration.] And studies and clinical reports say that diabetes has been a comorbidity in deaths of patients infected by “Covid-19.”

    American allopathy has not ever proved its assertion that high sodium diets cause cardiovascular disease — because that assertion is plain false, a MYTH. I have read many, many medical journal articles involving the myth. Always the articles ASSUME that the myth is truth and then try to find an explanation; but always the explanation fails.

    (2) In my last-previous comment (cited above), I observed:

    American allopathic medicine tells us to eat low-salt diets, much, supposedly, to avoid cardiovascular disease. But actually, sodium does not cause cardiovascular disease; rather is prevents and cures it (as I have cured it many times). The culprit is not sodium, but calcium, phosphorus and calcium phosphate (and inadequacy of magnesium).

    The American diet is very magnesium poor. Magnesium is a necessary and very important agent of (a) the relaying of brain-to-body signals — e.g., magnesiium monitors/regulates N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptors of nerve cells, including of the brain and spinal cord. Thus, magnesium participates in neural management of sundry aspects of the immune system.

    Magnesium is vital to preventing hypertension and cardiovascular disease. Many studies and clinical reports state that cardiovascular disease has enhanced the lethality of “Covid-19.” So, again, magnesium is important to immunity.

    And magnesium is directly involve in immune function. See, e.g.,
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128021682000269
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J053v02n03_07?src=recsys
    https://www.nature.com/articles/1601689

    (3) In my last-previous comment (cioted above) I mentioned the Okinawan diet. That diet is high sodium, high magnesium, moderate potassium, moderate iron, moderate-low calcium, low phosphorus, high sulfur, high manganese, high selenium, high copper, high zinc, very low meat, moderate-high fish & seafood, high fiber. Right now (6:01 PM Pacific Time), Japan’s “Covid-19″ record is:
    57,550 cases
    1,128 deaths
    So, Japan’s infection/death rate is 1.196%. The U.S. infection/death-rate, however, is 3.093% —2.586 times the Japan rate.

    A vital consideration is that Okinawa is “legally” (but not culturally) part of Japan and that all pertinent evidence indicates that Okinawans’ world’s best health, longest life-spans, and least disease contribute mightily to the lowness of Japan’s infection/death rate.

    • Replies: @utu
  311. S,B. says: • Website

    Just blocked as a Facebook post. Censored for Sure – Sickening

  312. Denver doctors may have found the answer to a pandemic mystery: What happened to all the heart attacks?

    Stauffer and his colleagues found that the number of people in Denver who died of cardiac arrests at home in the two weeks following the statewide stay-at-home order was greater than the total number of people who died of COVID-19 in the city during that time.

  313. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Please see my comment of August 20, 2020 at 1:39 am GMT (comment # 319), which emmends and supplements this comment [of August 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT (comment # 314)].

  314. utu says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    “My wife read my last-previous comment” – Hard to believe you have a wife.

    • Troll: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Mark G.
  315. utu says:

    Anti-body prevalence of up to 50% in NYC shoots down Mike Levitt fantasy of 5-15% herd immunity threshold. If 30-50% anti-body prevalence was reached under strict social distancing countermeasures of NYC one may expect that in natural unconstrained environment the herd immunity would be reached at 60-70% as it was predicted in the very beginning form the initial (natural unconstrained) R0 estimates.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/nyregion/new-york-city-antibody-test.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=New%20York

    In one ZIP code in Queens, more than 50 percent of people who had gotten tested were found to have antibodies

    The other side of the coin from these studies is the question about the IFR estimate for NYC.

  316. @Larry Romanoff

    Romanoff do you really have to troll other authors here? Aren’t your China love anti U.S. propaganda pieces enough? You’re wrong on China and wrong on Covid.
    Any coincidence a pro China advocate would also be pro lockdowns since the Chinese created the problem in the first place? I mean we know how you love totalitarian policies!

  317. Loup-Bouc says:
    @vot tak

    Your comment disproves its point, and your underlying and overriding theme, anti-Semitism costumed in a pretense of anti-Zionism.

    Your comment’s evidence and copied opinions support the proposition that the “Covid-19” death-rate is dropping and likely will contin ue to fall. Such proposition is one of the pillars of Mr. Levitt’s thesis, the thesis that lockdowns, mandatory mask-wearing, social distancing and any other oppressive measures have not and will not alter the death-rate and that such measures are seriously unhealthful much as they are dyseconomic and tyrannical.

    Your comment’s evidence and copied opinion indicate also uncertainty concerning whether “Cocid-19” virus-mutation will affect immunity, whether natural herd immunity or vaccine-induced immunity. Rather than spend many words and space on deconstructing and reconstructing the pertinent language of your comment’s evidence and copied opinions, merely shall I note that a virus’s mutation does not necessarily preclude immunity established against the mutated virus’s earlier form — “cross-immunity.”

    One example is Herpes simplex. That virus has two forms, “Herpes simplex I” and “Herpes simplex II.” When a “Herpes simplex II” victim develops sufficient antibodies, those antibodies can immunize her against “Herpes simplex I” infection (of another part of her body). The converse — HSI-antibody-based HSII immunity — also occurs, but not so frequently.

    Cross-immunity is possible against different strains of flu virus and against Human Metapneumovirus (another virus-involved respiratory disease), though such cross-immunity may be short-lived. See, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4629340/

    Another example: If one suffers a rhino virus “cold” and develops antibodies against the particular cold’s virus (serotype), one may be immune to another strain (another serotype) of rhino virus, though such cross-immunity is uncommon.

    Research has disclosed that cross-immunity obtained against different strains of Middle East respiratory syndrome, aka “MERS-CoV.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7100437/
    MERS-CoV is a virus markedly similar to SARS and Covid-19.

    So, “Covid-19” mutation may either limit herd immunity or not affect immunity substantially. Still, current knowledge suggests that any “Covid-19″ immunity is and will be short-lived.

    Nevertheless, if the actual Coivid-19” related death-rate continues to be slight in all infection-cases other than those where the patient is around 80-years-old and suffers one or more comorbities, Mr. Levitt’s thesis will continue to stand.

    Because of your rabid “zionazi” paranoia, one must observe that your REAL point is merely that Mr. Levitt is an Israeli “Jew,” or maybe merely that he is a “Jew.” Just so, YOU are more disgusting than your spurious and scurrilous “arguments.”

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
  318. @Sam J.

    The CDC’s own meta analysis of the efficacy of masks against influenza’s virus… They are useless! Fauci knows this, that’s why he blew off mask wearing until the politico’s got to him. The World health organization, “healthy people should not wear masks unless caring for the sick!”.
    Of course people like you cannot be swayed by facts or reason!
    All the info is on Jon Rappaport’s site “No more fake news.”
    Rappaport has debunked the Corana hoax with facts and science. Not hopes and dreams.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  319. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    Your “argument” is tripe that I debunked earlier in this thread. Mr. Levitt’s 5-15% figure is not inconsistent with the epidemiology literature. See, e.g., these:
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.935.1796&rep=rep1&type=pdf [not limited to vaccination-produced herd immunity]
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X04007297 [20-25% vaccinate]

    Your “proof” is thoroughly illogical, even risibly stupid, as are your “arguments” of your previous comments to which I have replied.

    See also my comment of August 19, 2020 at 1:26 am GMT (comment # 267), replying to Ron Unz.

    I shall not present further critical details, since further details would be lost to you, because you cannot READ or think an intelligent thought. I grin as I note that, responding to my last-previous reply-comment, your “retort” is “Hard to believe you have a wife.”

    Get a brain-transplant and then a thorough proper education.

    • Troll: utu
  320. Skeptikal says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Please don’t talk about Massachusetts.
    Today on ferry—outside on deck in Vineyard Sound: beautiful sunny day with a light breeze.
    Pretty good social distancing.
    No need to wear a mask in this environment. (If at all, actually, but OK . . .).

    But the handwringing continues and threats are made to bar the “mask scalawags” from the ferries (a link in the state transportation system; not private) and force crew to get heavy with perfectly sensible and quiet passengers minding their own business and enjoying the outing.
    The “mask scalawags” are the only sensible folks out there.

    Meanwhile every positive test is reported as a “case.” Letters to newspapers make no dent in this distortion of reality. No deaths here yet but everyone is in a mask panic.

    Lots of mask trash on the sidewalks and in the verges.

    The school return guidelines are a joke. Many parents will now find a way to home-school rather than send children back to a dystopian and unpredictable environment (like, what are school days and hours? Something different each week?). Fortunate are those working parents who have grandparents nearby to help. I am even thinking of volunteering with home-schooling.

    So the public education system falls apart because of this joke. Schools get reimbursed so much for each child. If so many children just don’t return to the school, the schools are underfunded . . .

    Pretty depressing. What we really need is a vaccine against stupidity.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  321. @Sam J.

    if a pandemic is about

    That’s the central point. A pandemic features a huge death count, with the victims having the same symptoms. This one doesn’t. In a pandemic, medical facilities are overwhelmed. Hospitals here were laying off medical staff. The “if” you refer to is the Mount Rushmore of “ifs”.

    The point that none of these silly masks that so many people are using are made of material that can and will filter out virus particles. HEPA filtration can trap virus particles but even a mask made of HEPA filter material won’t have any effect if it isn’t completely sealed on the skin around the mask’s margin, and none of these masks can be made to do so.

    Mask mandates will have no effect other than to cause harm to the benighted people who obey the orders by hypoxia and overconcentration and rebreathing of CO2. The ridiculous cloth masks that most of the people I see are wearing are entirely symbolic. You may as well pack your nostrils with cotton balls as to wear a mask.

    • Agree: Skeptikal, Alfred
  322. @flashlight joe

    I would go with “Ringmeat Mongoloid Dickweed” even though it’s a little too long. That describes Monty to a T.

  323. @Monty Ahwazi

    Put down the franzia karen, you’re drunk again.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  324. map says:
    @Sam J.

    This is the whole problem. Covid is a hoax. The problem is, you have no idea what the hoax is. Right now, the hoax is treating the mild coronavirus as something deadly, when it is not. This makes people complacent…to set them up for s release of something deadly by October, which will then be suppressed.

  325. @Skeptikal

    You are I suppose pointing out, correctly, that not all supposed cases of Covid 19 are real because of fallible testing which produces false positives. What uou and others on this thread have neglected is the need to count false negatives against false positives. Would you be so good as to repair that omission and make sure UR readers have valid relevant figures?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  326. Mark G. says:
    @utu

    “My wife read my last-previous comment” – Hard to believe you have a wife.

    You are a real nasty piece of work, aren’t you?

  327. Skeptikal says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Testing positive is not a “case” of covid-19.
    Testing negative doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have some fragments of something virus-related in your system that could mean one of any number of things.

    As a savvy Spanish doctor pointed out, 50% of people tested test positive for a known cancer-causing virus. But we don’t throw them all into the hospital and declare an emergency. And strangle our whole conomy and day-to-day life.

    The whole false positive/negative thing is a gigantic distraction.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  328. It’s going to be pretty hard for them to ban this treatment given who its champion is:

    Ivermectin Triple Therapy Protocol for COVID-19 Released to Australian GPs for Infected Elderly and Frontline Workers

    SYDNEY, Aug 20, 2020 – (ACN Newswire) – Triple therapy specialist Professor Thomas Borody, famous for curing peptic ulcers using a triple antibiotic therapy and saving millions of lives, has released the Triple Therapy Protocol for COVID-19 to Australian GPs, who can legally prescribe it to their COVID-19 positive patients, or prescribe it as a preventative medication.

  329. @Skeptikal

    Not only is the whole false positive/negative thing is a gigantic distraction but it’s the only way for them to continue the Coronavirus hoax going during the Summer months when flu – like viruses usually whither a way only to re-emerge during the fall. They have been pushing testing,testing, testing and more testing during the Summer as you are bound to get some “positive” test results which the media intentionally calls a “confirmed case”.

    • Agree: Parsnipitous
  330. @Anonymousse

    Keep your head in the sands and join the COVIDIOTS club! Put your mask on to protect your parents!

  331. anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Citizen 2.0

    Porn has become gay cuck centric. Blacked “White wimminz” are paid more. White men are reduced to wearing cock cages waiting to swallow the seed of their wifes black bull. Take a moment and imagine a world without this filth. All we have to do is remove the (((head))) of the black snake.

  332. Kali says:

    The second part of Plandemic has been released.
    Already the censors and “fact checkers” are doing their best to rubbish it.

    Watch while you can!

    https://plandemicseries.com

    Love,
    Kali

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  333. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey guys, I’ve heard this rumour very recently.

    The controllers are planning a civil war in the USA.
    Here’s how they are going to do it:

    Right now, the CIA is shipping small arms into the USA from Italy via gutted-out passenger airplanes.
    These weapons are for the CIA terrorists (aka ANTIFA, BLM etc)
    There will be a false flag in a major US city – Washington DC seems to be most likely candidate.
    It’ll be similar to the Beirut attack (tactical nuke?)
    Trump will disappear and people will think he’s been killed when he’s actually taken away to safety (probably via the secret underground maglev train system)
    Trump supporters will go bananas
    Add ANTIFA and BLM terrorists who have been armed to the teeth and voila!
    CIVIL WAR!!!

    And there’ll be no deliveries of food
    It’ll be a bloodbath.

    If they can’t disarm the citizens, they’ll get them to use up their ammo on the crazies.

  334. Hang on. You’re trying to tell me you found 4 Jews telling the truth?

    Oh, wait. I forgot. Writing for a Jew audience, they were.

  335. Loup-Bouc says:

    Thank you for the Plandemic link. I was not able to view the rpevious part, which was banished before I could find it. I was able to read a “borrowed” and edited transcript of a small segment of the previous part. The Borrower/editor spent much energy on trying to refute the transcribed text.

    Under Israel Shamir’s article “The New Puritans” — https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-new-puritans/ — I posted a comment (comment # 291) directed to you.

    • Thanks: Kali
  336. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    I addressed my August 21, 2020 at 12:50 am GMT (comment # 344) to you, Kali. Somehow that comment did not show as replying to your comment.

  337. Loup-Bouc says:

    This comment supplements my comment of August 20, 2020 at 3:24 am GMT (comment # 326). See
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-closer-to-the-truth-tests-and-immunity/5720160

  338. The elitits infoolltrated Quackademic lessens in order to impose their cultural marxcyst agenda benda onto themasses

    1 A day at the racists

    2 A night at the opera

    3 Duck soup

    They turned their poopills into zombies

    ,thus preparing them for continued induckshone through Main Scream Media

    into the zombie apeokcolapse now on its way to your front lawn

    and capable of neuron connections approaching speeds of 1mph downhill

    In short

    We have arrived at judgement day

    The mighty Trumpet is ready

  339. Athena says:

    We have destroyed our economy, closed our schools, obliterated our small and medium-sized businesses, increased suicides, depression, domestic abuse, poverty, homelessness, alienation and destitution.

    That’s absolutely INFURIATING. They want to destroy America.They hijacked our constitution. They HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THAT. THAT’S UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    Based on what? There is NO INTERVIEWER GRILLING the INTERVIEWEES,the so-called experts on the MSMs

    • Replies: @Culpepper
  340. SeaCap says:
    @obwandiyag

    and your statement is backed up by what science, sir?

  341. Sam J. says:
    @chuckiecheese

    “…Your cult deny human civilization and human advancement and history. You all should be thrown back to the stone age and make you dig up the dirts and make your living or die together…”

    As I will show it’s much more likely in a massive collapademic of some sort that you will be the one in the stone age. People in rural areas are much more likely to survive without external inputs. In the cities the Negros will be using your children as food in 6 weeks.

    “… Your Trump cult is worse than the Jonestown cult…”

    Anything beats Hillary even Jim Jones.

    “…You Trump followers are the most ignorant stupid fools in the world. You don’t belong in America. You belong in zimbabwe or venezuela or russia, but not in the USA. Hope you all Trump cult members drink Kool Aid and be done with life, like yesterday. Fuck you all, you Trump cult the dumbest people in the world…”

    If you look at the map, we are America. It’s you that’s the invaders.

  342. Sam J. says:
    @VinnyVette

    From CDC

    “…Masks may slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others…”

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

    I of course am not saying disposable mask provide 100% protection I am saying they do provide some. I also only think you should wear them in public crowded places like stores or the like.

    Saying they provide zero protection at all times is a lie. It’s not true.

    Apparently to some people if you believe that corona was at one time very infectious and dangerous but has mutated to be less so then you are “fooled by the hoax” and these people, usually the same, insist that you never wear a mask under any circumstances lest anyone think you are agreeing with the hoax.

    I say mask are not perfect but neither are seat belts but I wear those and the mask in crowded places.

    Let’s look at another page where they doubt the validity of wearing mask they said,

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-10-surgical-masks-flu.html

    “…The study, published in JAMA, found that surgical masks were as effective as N95 respirators at preventing the flu, which is to say, not all that effective because, of the 446 nurses who took part in this study, nearly one in four (24%) in the surgical mask group still got the flu as did 23% of those who wore the N95 respirator…”

    So actually it’s saying surgical mask are near as effective as the much more costly N95 mask.

    BUT here’s the big ass BUT they also said,

    “…And, because both groups wore masks, it’s impossible to say how they would have fared compared with not wearing a mask at all…”

    I know of no studies at all that show people not wearing mask at all and comparing it to wearing mask. Any study relating to the efficacy of wearing mask MUST show an equivalent study of those NOT WEARING MASK or you have nothing. You don’t have a real study at all.

  343. utu says:

    Another counter argument to Levitt’s 5-15% claim form recent (Aug 14) paper. 85% on fishing ship got infected.

    “A total of 104 individuals had an RT-PCR positive 32 viral test with Ct <35 or seroconverted during the follow-up period, yielding an attack rate on board of 85.2% (104/122 individuals)."

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.13.20173161v1
    Neutralizing antibodies correlate with protection from SARS-CoV-2 in humans during a fishery vessel outbreak with high attack rate

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  344. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    Your quote is word-salad that cannot support anything except a possible diagnosis of insanity — yours.

    Perhaps in its full context, the quoted language obtains sense. But alone, it is gibberish like a pidgin English translation of a “statement” a lunatic hears uttered by a space alien.

    I shall not bother to read the quote’s full context, because YOU are obliged to develop the full context sensibly in a fashion that may support your desire of proving Levitt wrong. I shall not do you job for you.

    The “85% on fishing ship got infected” proposition proves nothing concerning anything except the occurrence of itself — the proposition that “85% on fishing ship got infected.”

    Still, you have not answered my comments that debunk your comments, including my comments that address specifically your, and Ron Unz’s, attempt of impeaching Levitt’s estimate that a 5-15% infection-rate may produce herd immunity.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  345. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump correctly wants things to get back to business as usual.

    Therefore, Democrats want everything to be UNusual and bad.

    That is who has caused this crisis.

    • Agree: Loup-Bouc
    • Replies: @JasonT
  346. JasonT says:
    @Anonymous

    The Democrats are simply the USA arm of the globalist cabal.

    • Agree: Loup-Bouc
  347. vot tak says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    “Because of your rabid “zionazi” paranoia, one must observe that your REAL point is merely that Mr. Levitt is an Israeli “Jew,” or maybe merely that he is a “Jew.” Just so, YOU are more disgusting than your spurious and scurrilous “arguments.”

    Smearing criticism of israeli propaganda as antisemitism is the standard tactic of israeli propagandists. You’ve completely broken cover and exposed yourself, guardianista.

    You killed your credibility, full stop, shlomo.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  348. vot tak says:

    Russian developer of world’s first Covid-19 vaccine says it will protect against killer virus for at least TWO YEARS

    https://www.rt.com/russia/497927-russian-covid-vaccine-long-effect/

    “Alexander Gintsburg, director of the Gamaleya National Research Center, says the vaccine’s protective properties should be intact for at least two years after its administration. “[Regarding the] effective period of the vaccine, its protective properties will last for not just the short term, [such as] half a year to one year, but for at least two years,” he told the 60 Minutes show on the Russia-1 federal TV channel.

    Russia’s Healthcare Ministry earlier said that previous use of vector vaccines — the class the Gamaleya Center’s product belongs to — shows that immunity is reserved for up to twenty-four months.

    Something lost in most coverage of Sputnik V is that mass public immunisation is actually not scheduled until January. At first, the formula is only being offered to the especially vulnerable, such as front-line medical workers and teachers. What’s more, the choice of whether to participate is voluntary. Some reporting and comments, in the West, have made it sound like authorities are planning to vaccinate the entire country with an unproven formula. In reality, while Russia is the first country to register a vaccine, there’s still over four months of trials to go before it is offered to the wider public.”

    See also:

    After ‘Sputnik V’ announced, Russia now targeting a quarter of the world’s $75 billion coronavirus vaccine market – report

    https://www.rt.com/russia/497809-russia-targets-covid19-vaccine-market/

    “According to Moscow daily Vedomosti, the global demand for Covid-19 vaccines is between 3-5 billion doses, worth more than $75 billion. Russia plans to compete for a quarter of the entire market.

    Despite Western criticism of Sputnik V being ‘rushed,’ Russia’s vaccine has already garnered interest from around the world, with 20 nations from Latin America, the Middle East and Asia already ordering batches for a combined one billion doses. As well as selling Sputnik V, the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) also plans to work on a humanitarian aid program to help with immunization in poorer, developing countries.

    Developed by Moscow’s Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology, the vaccine has gone through two trial stages, with the third due to begin soon. Results so far have shown that Sputnik V has high efficacy and safety, with no volunteers experiencing any significant adverse reactions. Vaccination of medical workers and teachers will begin soon but it will not be compulsory for Russians to accept immunisation.”

    Bad news for whitney’s fellow israeli “population management workers” (waves at loup-boup and the rest.)

    You things failed.

  349. @Loup-Bouc

    “Still, you have not answered my comments that debunk your comments, including my comments that address specifically your, and Ron Unz’s, attempt of impeaching…”

    What are you trying to say?

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  350. Loup-Bouc says:
    @vot tak

    Smearing criticism of israeli propaganda as antisemitism is the standard tactic of israeli propagandists. You’ve completely broken cover and exposed yourself, guardianista.

    I would suggest you attend a remedial-reading-education class, but your rabid “zionazi” paranoia would prevent your learning to READ despite the brilliance of the teacher. So, instead, I suggest you look under your home’s floorboards, in its attic, and in its plumbing to ferret out those “zionazis” and then dig up your front lawn. And do not forget to have a colonoscopy; for, they may be hiding up there among the convolutions.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  351. Mefobills says:
    @mastodon

    Having chewed this over in the past my best solution is vasectomy for prepubescent boys then breeding by lottery thereafter, winner gets reversal and ALL have responsibility for the progeny ( they once again become important)

    Humans are controlled with prices and money now.

    Incentivizing and giving choices has the appearance of agency. In other words, agency is part of the human condition, and you cannot take it away from people.

    The King can constrain agency.. that is choices the population can make.

    Again, there has to be some sort of compact between the people and the king, where the people agree to not breed willy nilly.

    The “fertility boards” can make recommendations and are race specific. Money and opportunity are made available.

    If you force vasectomies, you are taking away agency, and the population would consider the King as hostile.

    Nothing can be done as long as the money power remains privatized, so Eugenics is a moot point. Once the money is sovereign, then anything is possible.

    Privatized money power does want degraded populations, which will ultimately lead to civilized man’s destruction.

  352. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Johnny Rico

    I suggest you attend a remedial-reading-education course and obtain medical/clinical-psychology intervention that will enable you to maintain perceptive attention longer than three seconds and respecting more than two diminutive details. If, despite those measures, still you cannot READ, obtain a brain-transplant.

    Et, maintenant, taisez-vous, Monsieur Crétin. Ne polluez plus mon temps et ma vision avec vos ordures.

  353. winston2 says:
    @Anonymous

    I thought deadly constipaion or male pattern baldness was it,a nation of hypochonriacs that want
    to live forever.The oerfect marks for this type of scam,

  354. @Mefobills

    Profound:

    Privatized money power does want degraded populations, which will ultimately lead to civilized man’s destruction.

    Any elaboration as to exactly why is sure to be edifying.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  355. vot tak says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    And the guardianista zio-diarrhea continues.

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  356. Loup-Bouc says:
    @vot tak

    guardianista zio-diarrhea

    What is that crap? Would that you could apprehend how fucking nuts you sound.

    You never say anything that bears sense, even sanity. Your dreck like “guardianista zio-diarrhea” and “zionazi” has zero relation to anything I am, do, or say.

    Do us both a favor. Do not address me again, ever. I SHALL NOT ADDRESS YOU EVER AGAIN EVEN IF YOU DO ADDRESS ME.

    Just seeing your loony pseudonym makes me sick. Buzz the fuck off.

  357. Mefobills says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    Privatized money guiding civilization is for short term profits, while ignoring everything else that makes us human. Things such as honor, morality, culture … in short those things we evolved for are circumvented to chase after money. Money becomes the new god.

    Privatized money is always scheming for profits regardless of usury or morality. This means busting out populations with inflation and then deflation. It is perpetual scheming to extract from the vulnerable. Ultimately it leads to low trust civilization and promotion of base animal types of behavior. You end up with baby daddies and loss of family, along with dysgenic reproduction.

    Having a degraded population is one that is in debt, low IQ, and is compliant worker in factories.

    Over time with usury, the wealth of a nation slips into the hands of the finance plutocracy. Finance plutocracy are those who we call the .01%, and virtually all of this cohort is tied to finance or finance owned corporations.

    Already we are over-fishing and exploiting the environment to monetize the earth to then pay debts. Debt instruments are hypothecated into being at private banks. In other words, a degraded population is put on a treadmill to run and run to service debts held by a plutocracy.

    Anything outside of the natural order logos is destructive.

    A degraded population keeps its head down and doesn’t complain or look up at its rulers. Greenspan explained this to Congress, about how putting the population into heavy debts meant they wouldn’t agitate for more pay or be involved with anything risky, as they would be afraid of losing their jobs and hence not be able to make the mortgage payment

    Basically, having life circumvented creates degradation.

  358. glib says:
    @Johnny Rico

    It is some evidence. Inexpensive methods that have an impact are de facto banned in many western countries. The impact of vitamin D, which would diminish covid mortality by at least a factor 100, at the cost of 5c/person/day, is completely suppressed.

    The people in power want more cases, more hospitalizations. I am in Europe now, and day after day the front page of every newspaper reports what are basically stat. fluct. of the number of cases (which can always be adjusted by dialing down or up the number of tests). No extra fatalities anywhere in Europe in the last 13 weeks.

    What Whitney and others are saying is that mass house arrest and mandatory muzzles over the common cold are only the first act, and by far not the biggest act, of a long play.

  359. Culpepper says:
    @Athena

    Why do video talking heads move their hands about?

  360. @GuestAug

    The “what if its for our own good?” argument seems to fall apart when you look at their other actions: replacing european peoples with retard-grade africans; working to increase populations across the western world. And of course we all know its not limited to that, their actions cannot be seen as altruistic. If they were really acting as some environmental saviour, that seems like it would be counterproductive.

  361. trickster says:

    Just when we are becoming bored with the virus and beginning to forget it along comes another article 2200 words long to exhume the half decayed Corona corpse for yet another forensic examination,diagnosis, prognostication, philosophical waxing and more useless speculation, forecasts and conclusion. Like the days of old where one virus fairy tale, once discredited, was replaced by another, which when discredited in turn was replaced by yet another (compliments of the Fauci/ Birx et al campfire tale crew), we now have this here profound, mind shattering analysis and revelation. If you ask me people are stealing Anatoli Karlin’s thunder and plagiarising his bullshit

    As a reasonable man I ask myself, if the supposed best minds in the US could not get their Russia conspiracy and story live straight after some 2 years, even with the help of the jackasses in the media who brayed about it 24/7, what is the probability that leaders all over the world can successfully collude and conspire “to remake society” ?? Oh yes, of course this is possible because somewhere there are fellows dressed in black duck suits, with beady eyes and big noses shaded by black hats pulling the strings in the shadows. OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH !! And who are these people…….JEEEEEEEEEEEEWS ! Did I hear a whisper of Soros, Rothchild, the Warburgs ?? This is scary.

    The old Blofeld from James Bond movies has once again risen from the dead hell bent on world domination.

    The Trickster YAWNS at this tripe! Wake me up when they have remade society. In the meantime I will remain on the edge of my seat biting my nails.

  362. trickster says:
    @gsjackson

    We dont need space invaders. If they are a superior race as Hollywood truthfully proclaims what would they want with the brain dead zombies of this earth.

    I have another theory. Once when I was travelling in the Islands I observed a man training a young donkey to pull a cart along a designated route. If the poor beast needed to make a left he would wack it on the left flank. Similar blows were applied to the right when such a directional change was required. To stop, the stick was applied directly to the spine ie neither to the left nor right.

    Soon, the lazy driver, half asleep in the blazing sun most of the time just needed to open one eye from time to time give a slight tap as required and the jackass would obey. Unfortunately at one intersection traffic lights were installed. The poor donkey continuing merrily on his way and the owner half asleep went right through the red. In typical fashion truck drivers in the West Indies take grave offence at any sign of disrespect from drivers of lesser vehicles and use a firm and uncompromising stance when playing chicken. That is how the donkey got decapitated, the driver/owner ended up under the truck (the only thing to identify him was his hat) and pieces of the cart crashed into the Chinese grocery store injuring some black customers about to be ripped off by the Chinaman and sending others including our erstwhile Asian fleeing. At that point other blacks who were merely passing at that moment seized the opportunity and looted the place. If you believe Usain Bolt was the fastest you have not met some of the niggers running away with hundred pound bags of flour and dark sugar. True story !

    I ask you, what is the difference between that ass and the ones aka Homo Sapiens we have at present. Also, will the drivers suffer a similar fate ?

  363. trickster says:
    @Anonymous

    No kidding. Yesterday I stopped at a coffee shop so the owner could rob me. What I pay for one can of high end beans is the same as a cup at his place plus the gasoline and time. Okay I confess, I like to keep the immigrants employed and besides where else will they learn to speak english than at the coffee place.

    Now, first of all there was a line up outside because only 3 people are allowed inside at a time. Finally it was my turn to hand over my hard earned cash. The white guy at counter one with the gloves, mask and plastic shield. The plastic shield (like those at welding school or fighter pilots) I understand is because a customer got pissed, hawked up a nice gob and spat on him. This fellow told me “Only credit cards and debit here. Touchless payment ! Cash is accepted at register 2”.

    Another wait for the Trickster while Register 2 finished the order for a young couple who seemed to be ordering every fucking thing in the store. Finally, it is my turn.

    At register 2 I observed cashier Farida Abdul Mohammed Bin Azeez without mask or gloves.

    I am puzzled ! If my cash may be contaminated with “germs” why is she not wearing gloves? On the other side of the coin if Register 1 is touchless with the cashier treating customers as if they have the bubonic plague complicated by the black death and cholera, why is he all suited up?

    Wherever I go I see the same nuttiness and inconsistency. Its no wonder the thinking man believes this Corona hullabaloo and hype is all a load of shit

  364. @Mefobills

    Brilliantly insightful:

    Having a degraded population is one that is in debt, low IQ, and is compliant worker in factories.

    Greenspan explained this to Congress, about how putting the population into heavy debts meant they wouldn’t agitate for more pay or be involved with anything risky, as they would be afraid of losing their jobs and hence not be able to make the mortgage payment.

    David Duke has been saying daily beginning in April that the media’s Jew Flu / Goy Gag Hoax has two objectives, one immediate, the other long term:

    1) prevent Trump’s re-election by destroying the economy then blaming him for mismanagement of the false flag panic-demic; and

    2) eliminating boot-strapping entrepreneurship by wiping out small businesses which lack the economies of scale to survive the shutdown or are too debt-ridden to do so, thereby forcing the formerly independent operators into employment with the only surviving employers being either (((Wall Street))) controlled mega corps or government where the Jews can use their (((political correctness))) speech code to silence dissent under threat of termination of employment where no other means for generating income exists.

    I learned the hard way at the hands of the Jewdiciary that Jew hostility to a goy venture knows no bounds, particularly when it emerges in a sector dominated by Jews and has grown via capabilities Jews can’t perform or buy.

    Jews want us all to be wage slaves without the possibility of transitioning into independent venturers.

  365. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    “Privatized money guiding civilization is for short term profits, while ignoring everything else that makes us human. … ”

    Oh, no. Privatized money is much more insidious than that. Among other things, it is for total control of the social divisions of labor, globally, total control by those private parties.

  366. Alfred says:
    @utu

    In one ZIP code in Queens, more than 50 percent of people who had gotten tested were found to have antibodies

    The NYT is deliberately misleading its readers. The test is a PCR test – not an antibody test. All of us have caught a coronavirus cold at one time or another – and most of use still have traces of its DNA. The PCR test was never supposed to used in this way. 🙂

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    , @Loup-Bouc
  367. We’ve been had, just like on . Are we the dumbest people/generation todate? Watch Mike Pompeo tell it straight.

    “We are in a live exercise!”

    And, watch Fauci, in 2017,

    predict that the Trump presidency will be faced with a pandemic:

    2017: Dr. Fauci Predicted a Pandemic Under Trump: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/2017-dr-fauci-predicted-a-pandemic-under-trump/vi-BB14h4x7

  368. I have had a lot of experience with computer models and there is an old saying that all modelers have to keep in mind – Garbage in, Garbage out.

  369. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Alfred

    You wrote:

    The NYT is deliberately misleading its readers. The test is a PCR test – not an antibody test.

    Good point, Alfred.

    At the time of my comment that replied to utu’s comment to which your August 23, 2020 at 4:39 pm GMT comment (comment # 375) replies, I had become fed up with uto’s spewing of toxic dreck. So, I did not check his linked source. I did check a few minutes ago. You assert correctly that the NY Times misrepresented the facts. (What else does the NY Times know how to do?)

    But you did not cite a source that supports your statement that the tests were PCR tests, not antibody tests. I researched that matter. I discovered this: Main Recent Testing Deaths Boroughs Milestones

    Testing Data
    This page provides data about testing for COVID-19, either through a virus (diagnostic) test or an antibody test. Since, in New Your City both test

    A virus (diagnostic) test shows if you have COVID-19. Data on these pages for cases, hospitalizations, and confirmed deaths are for people who tested positive with a virus test.

    An antibody test can find out if you have ever had the virus.
    From March to early May, we discouraged people with mild and moderate symptoms from being tested, so our data from that period represent mostly people with severe illness. More recent data provide a broader picture now that more people without severe illness are getting tested.

    NYC Health, COVID-19: Data, https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-testing.page

    A “virus (diagnostic) test” is NOT an antibody test. A “virus diagnostic) test may either of two fundamentally different types: (1) a molecular test; (2) an antigen test.

    Root type (1) may be a RT-PCR test or a LAMP test. An RT-OCR test detects the virus’s genetic material via nucleic acid amplification. It involves a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction that tests for the qualitative detection of nucleic acid of SARS-CoV-2 virus present in upper and lower respiratory-tract specimens. A LAMP targets DNA polymerase and four to six primers. It is designed to detect six distinct sequences of the target DNA.

    An antigen test searches out molecular structures of influenza virus surfaces — surface proteins (spike membrane, small envelope, and nucleocapsid proteins).

    Antigen tests produce false negatives more than do molecular tests. So diligent testing confirms negative antigen test results by rendering subsequent molecular testing.

    In the NY Times article utu referenced, this appears:

    In one ZIP code in Queens, more than 50 percent of people who had gotten tested were found to have antibodies, a strikingly high rate. But no ZIP code south of 96th Street in Manhattan had a positive rate of more than 20 percent.

    Across the city, more than 27 percent of those tested had positive antibody results. The borough with the highest rate was the Bronx, at 33 percent. Manhattan had the lowest rate, at 19 percent.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/nyregion/new-york-city-antibody-test.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=New%20York

    I have not been able to find an official NY City record or any valid, reliable non-governmental source that discloses whether, and if so, to what extent NY City testing procedures involved (a) only molecular testing, (b) only antigen testing, or (c) both antigen and molecular testing. So, we cannot know whether, at least at the time of the above NY Times article utu referenced, NY City or any NY City Borough did adequately reliable testing — i.e., molecular testing or both antigen and molecular testing.

    Even molecular testing (not just antigen testing) produces false negatives. Therefore, only if ALWAYS (in every individual’ case) NY City did both antigen and molecular testing can we presume, reasonably, that the 50% figure was likely true.

    Since near-certainly, NY City did not do both antigen and molecular testing in EVERY case, the actual infection-rate may have been (likely was) markedly higher than the figure of which the “50%” and “27%” were the asserted “antibody-bearing” sub-populations. So, likely the “50%” and “27%” were false — false whether the figures related to positive results of antibody tests, only molecular tests, only antigen tests, or sometimes-but-not-frequent combined antibody and molecular tests.

    Why do I assert (a) that near-certainly, NY City did not do both antigen and molecular testing in EVERY case and (b) that likely the actual infection-rate was markedly higher than NY City reported?

    Doing BOTH tests ALWAYS would cost a fortune that NY City did not have to spare.

    Many sources — governmental (U.S. and other nations,’ even the Fauci-monster) and reliable non-governmental sources — have shown so quite frequently enough to enable me to assert so without my putting a litany of probative internet links. Still, below are a few sources that point up at several statistical validity/reliability problems, e.g., these problems:

    (a) Testing frequency and adequacy vary significantly nation-to-nation and domestic-region to domestic-region, the testing-inadequacy problem enhanced by inadequacy of tracking and accounting virus-mutation.

    (b) Testing is rather sporadic in the sub-populations of individuals who are asymptomatic.

    (c) Worldwide, government-agency reporting and non-government-source reporting have been incomplete or otherwise inadequate and unreliable for sundry reasons.

    (d) Clinical symptom mis-diagnosis — misdiagnosing likely Covid-19 symptoms as, instead, symptoms either of another respiratory disease or of a non-respiratory disease.

    See, e.g., these sources — which I selected to show, among else, that political differences appear not to affect source-determination (i) of infection-detection-inadequacy or (ii) of magnitude of mis-estimation of infection-frequency-distribution:
    https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30581-8/fulltext
    https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/coronavirus-outbreak-live-updates-covid-19
    https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30820-5.pdf
    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/8/5/21351766/covid-19-testing-tracking-hospitalizations-schools-reopening
    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
    https://jglobalbiosecurity.com/articles/10.31646/gbio.72/
    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mql_sars-cov-2_-_cleared_for_public_release_20200818.pdf
    See also even NYC Health, COVID-19: Data, https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-testing.page

    From March to early May, we discouraged people with mild and moderate symptoms from being tested, so our data from that period represent mostly people with severe illness. More recent data provide a broader picture now that more people without severe illness are getting tested.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  370. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    See my comment of August 23, 2020 at 11:09 pm GMT (comment # 378), which presents a further debunking of your untenable (and risibly specious) “argument.”

  371. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Alfred

    In my comment of August 23, 2020 at 11:09 pm GMT (comment # 378), this appears:

    So, likely the “50%” and “27%” were false — false whether the figures related to positive results of antibody tests, only molecular tests, only antigen tests, or sometimes-but-not-frequent combined antibody and molecular tests.

    After I posted that comment (comment # 378), I saw that the above-quoted language was ambiguous and suffered one editing error.

    The editing error caused the term “antibody” to be placed where I intended the term “antigen” — in the language “or sometimes-but-not-frequent combined antibody and molecular tests,” which ought to be “or sometimes-but-not-frequent combined antigen and molecular tests.”

    The ambiguity occurs in the clause “whether the figures related to positive results of antibody tests….”

    One may wonder how the “50%” and “27%” figures were false if they were premised on antibody tests. One obvious answer is that antibody tests can produce false positives and false negatives, if only because of errors committed by laboratory personnel (if not also because of test-design flaw).

    But the more important consideration is that if, as is near-certain, few, if any, antibody tests were run — if, as is near-certain, the overwhelmingly prevalent testing was antigen testing, molecular testing, or combined antigen and molecular testing — then the “50%” and “27%” figures were immensely false.

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  372. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    See also my comment of August 24, 2020 at 12:25 am GMT (comment # 381).

  373. @Loup-Bouc

    One may wonder how the “50%” and “27%” figures were false if they were premised on antibody tests.

    What about the cross-reactivity of the antibody test. SARS-CoV-2 is a Corona Virus and other versions of the Corona Virus cause the common cold.

    A person may already have antibodies for other strains of the Corona Virus that are not SARS-CoV-2 and the antibody test is reacting to those. Just how specific do they warrant the antibody test is?

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  374. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    I answered your question in my comment of August 20, 2020 at 3:24 am GMT (comment # 326).

    And the correct consideration is not cross-reactivity, but cross-immunity. Cross-reactivity is an antibody’s reacting to different but similar antigens or epitopes. But such reaction does not necessarily produce immunity against more than one pathogen. If a cross-reactivity produces immunity against two pathogens, that result is cross-immunity. ’‘Cross-reactivity can produce, instead, allergens, rather than cross-immunities.

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  375. TRM says:
    @George3490

    Masks Early vs Late Adoption

    It could explain some of the anomalies like Mexico having a higher compliance of mask wearing than Japan but way worse results. It also would mean that it’s a moot point for everyone now.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Association_of_country-wide_coronavirus_mortality_with_demographics_testing_lockdowns_and_public_wearing_of_masks_Update_June_15_2020

    Do check out “Figure 1” on page 18/19.

    A recommendation (not an order) to wear masks by day 15 make a huge difference. Masks by day 16-30 have some effect. No masks or masks after day 60 (where we are) forget about it.

  376. @Loup-Bouc

    You are answering the wrong question.

    As you say, cross-reactivity means that an antibody test may detect antibodies for a different strain of the virus and produce a false positive for SARS-CoV-2.

  377. krm says:

    As in the Book of JOB, the last but not least thing that got to him was the boils, the illness in his body…
    The globalists know the masses don’t want to get sick and die, or be bed bound..
    It’s the perfect mental prison that people basically put themselves in…

  378. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Your comment appeared to as this question:

    Just how specific do they warrant the antibody test is?

    Your question’s vagueness explains my answer, which was the general discussion occurring in part of my comment of August 20, 2020 at 3:24 am GMT (comment # 326) — the part that discussed cross-immunity. Your question’s vagueness was amplified by your statement:

    A person may already have antibodies for other strains of the Corona Virus that are not SARS-CoV-2 and the antibody test is reacting to those.

    Who or what may be the “they” of “do they warrant” and WHAT is that “warrant” that “they [may] warrant”? Does “they” reference epidemiologists (and if so, which) or laboratories (and, if wo, which) or firms that create “antibody” tests (and if so, which)?

    What evidence indicates that a “person may already have antibodies for other strains of the Corona Virus that are not SARS-CoV-2 and the antibody test is reacting to those”? What are “those”?

    What “corona” is “the corona”? Is it a species of SAARS? Is “the corona” include MERS-CoV or corona virus types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 [which are coronavirus (non-rhinovirus) cold viruses).

    Do you mean to exclude hepatitis C virus, despite influenza virus-specific CD8+ T cells cross -react to hepatitis C virus and (who knows yet?) “Covid-19″ (does it exist, really?)“antibodies” (do they exist, really?) may cross-react to one or more “influenza” antigens [or, precisely, epitopes, i.e., spike membrane protein(s), small envelope protein(s), nucleocapsid protein(s)]?

    Do “they” (the “they” to which you referred) know what paratope(s) alleged Covid-19 “antibodies” may be involved in any possible cross-reactivity of a “Covid-19″ epitope (or epitopes) and that (or those) of some other virus?

    Above (in this comment) I questioned whether Covid-19 or Covid-19 antibodies exist. Am I nuts?
    * https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-one-has-died-coronavirus/5717668
    * https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146

    Your new statement, too, is problematically vague. Your statement includes this language:

    …a different strain of the virus and produce a false positive for SARS-CoV-2.

    What is “the virus”? [See also above in this comment.]

    Also, since, apparently, you do not understand “cross-reactivity” and its elements or understand that cross-reactivity and cross-immunity are different beasts, I cannot avoid finding your statements and questions latently ambiguous — hence cannot divine quite how to answer your “question.”

    I can, however, render one assertion securely: No one knows whether any “Covid-19″ “strain” (or mutation) “antibodies” may cross-react to any strain (or mutation) of any “other” pathogen; therefore, no one knows whether, because of cross-reactivity, any “Covid-19″ antibody test “result” is a false positive because a supposed “Covid-19″ antibody cross-reacted to an epitope an antigen of some “other” pathogen.

    Alas, I have substituted uncertainty, even indeterminacy, for your questions’ and statements’ vaguenesses. How bad I am; and I cannot even save my “soul” by saying “Hail Mary” some number of times, since God, “Christ,” the “virgin” Mary “mother of God,” “heaven” and “hell” do not exist — just as many, most, or all viral diseases may be myths.

    For more evidence of just how nuts, or bad, I am, see also
    (1) my comment of August 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT (comment # 314), beginning with this paragraph:

    Further, consider that on his death bed, Louis Pasteur admitted that not any microbe, but environment, explains disease that involves the presence of microbes. Pasteur meant environment that is within a person’s body, much as or more than the environment that surrounds the person’s body.

    AND (2) my comment of August 20, 2020 at 1:39 am GMT (comment # 319).

  379. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Emendation of my comment of August 24, 2020 at 8:55 pm GMT (comment # 388).

    In this Paragraph

    What “corona” is “the corona”? Is it a species of SAARS? Is “the corona” include MERS-CoV or corona virus types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 [which are coronavirus (non-rhinovirus) cold viruses).

    the final sentence ought to begin with “Doses” [NOT “Is”]; and the parenthesis following “cold viruses” ought to be a close-bracket “]” — so that the paragraph ought to be this:

    What “corona” is “the corona”? Is it a species of SAARS? Does “the corona” include MERS-CoV or corona virus types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 [which are coronavirus (non-rhinovirus) cold viruses].

    My regret.

  380. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Another typing error; another correction, this time of my emendation comment of August 24, 2020 at 9:23 pm GMT (comment # 389):

    The subject language is:

    the final sentence ought to begin with “Doses” [NOT “Is”]; and the parenthesis following “cold viruses” ought to be a close-bracket “]”

    The term “Doses” ought to be “Does.”

  381. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Addendum of my comment of August 24, 2020 at 8:55 pm GMT (comment # 388).

    To the links I put in my above-referenced comment, add this: https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-closer-to-the-truth-tests-and-immunity/5720160

    That link opens an article that supports and supplements my above-referenced comment # 388. With that same article’s discussion occurring under its headings “INNER IMMUNITY” and “This is what people should be told rather than using fear to better prepare them to accept a hastily prepared vaccine,” COMPARE
    (1) my comment of August 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT (comment # 314), beginning with this paragraph:

    Further, consider that on his death bed, Louis Pasteur admitted that not any microbe, but environment, explains disease that involves the presence of microbes. Pasteur meant environment that is within a person’s body, much as or more than the environment that surrounds the person’s body.

    AND
    (2) my comment of August 20, 2020 at 1:39 am GMT (comment # 319).

    Also, a CORRECTION: I saw that, in my comment # 388 and in my comment # 389, I wrote “SAARS” instead of SARS. I meant SARS, but my fingers did not honor my intent.

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  382. @TheTrumanShow

    The “Benjamins” are involved. Research Klaus Schwab, the founder of the World Economic Forum (WEF). He has had ties with Israel a very long time. But the “Benjamins” can’t do it alone. That is why they blackmail people like Gates, etc., via Epstein’s Island. Even Prince Charles is involved with WEF.

    Most of these people are compromised. But I don’t think it’s just about Jews. There are many Western White leaders who are simply not that smart and follow along with this garbage.

  383. @Loup-Bouc

    Wow, I seem to be able to press your buttons!

  384. Low-dose Hydroxychloroquine Therapy and Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19: A Nationwide Observational Study of 8075 Participants

    Highlights
    • Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 2400 mg during 5 days was used in Belgium for COVID-19

    • Impact of HCQ on mortality among 8075 patients with COVID-19 was assessed

    • Lower mortality in HCQ-treated patients as compared to supportive care

    • Lower mortality is irrespective of symptoms duration

  385. Remember, if masks worked to prevent the virus, they would have been banned as well!

  386. Why not to get vaccinated….. https://www.facts-are-facts.com/article/vaccinations-a-deadly-injection Vaccinations: A Deadly Injection? It apparently had to do with a contaminated H1N1 swine flu vaccine produced by American pharmaceutical company Baxter in the Ukraine that was, in reality, a biological weapon. According to Moshe, an adjuvant had been mixed into the vaccine, which was supposed to weaken the immune system and apparently contained the RNA component of the virus that caused the deaths of millions of people in 1918—the Spanish Flu. The caller announced that there could well be an outbreak in Ukraine in the near future.

    The actual identity of the Joseph Moshe living in California has not yet been confirmed. Some claim it was Israeli professor Bar-Joseph Moshe, although this is highly questionable. However, it is certain that the man bearing such portentous news was arrested by the FBI on the evening of 13 August 2009 in front of running TV cameras.

    After announcing that he wanted to inform the White House and bring all facts to public attention, Moshe fled through Los Angeles towards the Israeli consulate in a red Volkswagen Beetle. He never arrived: the FBI and a bomb squad with armoured cars wedged his vehicle. Microwave weapons crippled the car’s electronics and Moshe’s mobile phone; the police then fogged him with tear gas and a remote-controlled robot shattered his car window. Moshe was sprayed with several cans of pepper spray, tasered and finally roughly dragged out—all of which can be seen on the Internet portal YouTube (simply type in “Westwood stand-off”).

    Moral of the Story A Few Good People pay the price and can make a difference…. also not all people of any ethnicity or religion are bad…. Remember the evil ones want us all to hate each other. Jesus loves you, in the end all you can do is try to be a good person and ask Jesus to save you. also contrived events are staged for contrived reasons…. they want us all to get vaccinated, do you see the danger here?

  387. TXV1138 says:
    @gsjackson

    I’ve had the exact same thoughts, even before this. If they end up needing a “next”, it’s going to be hostile aliens. No better way to jump directly to world government AND have us cheering for it. It makes sense and the pattern is like clear, each enemy larger, broader and more insidious than the last; USSR/communism that was somewhat limited, the war on a tactic coming next, they could be in your town not just a world away, with a war on drugs as a long running side project, then the war on an invisible enemy! It could be your own mother!
    I noticed the lazy rewriting of the post 9/11 script immediately, they even implemented a color code again.

  388. @Larry Romanoff

    Sweden:
    Population: 10 million
    Infections: [who cares]
    Deaths: ~6,000

    (COVID-19) deaths in Sweden in 2020, by age groups
    3945 of the 6,000 are 80+. A big chunk of that is 90!+.
    Just 73 are aged 49 and under. That’s 1 per 137,000 if you’re under 50.
    It’s not as if lockdowner countries have virtually nil deaths, they still have a lot anyway.

  389. @Jerzy

    A death rate is 0.1% represents 7.8 million people or the combined populations of 54 of the smallest countries in the world

    141 million are born each year. 57 million die each year.

    P.S. It’s not 7.8m from Corona, but rather 926,026 [Sep 13]. Gonna break a million in a little while.

  390. H. E. says:

    This is very concise and informative. Thank you, Mr. Whitney. I would like to find a link to the HCQ graphic by country. If allowable I’d like to print and share it. I also wish to document it’s source. Thank you.

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