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One new historical development that has been evolving over a few years and now brought into focus because of COVID-19, is the so-called “Spanish Flu” of 1918. Recurring reports and documentation are emerging to tell us that this ‘Greatest Pandemic in History’ was[1]Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza
not “Spanish”,[2]J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1; 1987: 962–970. Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness David M. Morens, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, and Anthony S. Fauci
not “the flu” and,[3] not a natural occurrence but the result of human tinkering with vaccines. There surely is much more to emerge, but the accumulating evidence to date is too compelling to dismiss.

In simple terms, the emerging evidence supports postulations that the 1918 pandemic was caused by a misguided – and very experimental – Rockefeller Institute meningitis vaccination program which was initiated at Fort Riley by the US military, and spread to the world from there. This essay will attempt to briefly document the evidence that is available so far. There will of course be many objections to the content of this essay, not only from the ideologues and trolls, but from those in high places with vital body organs requiring protection.

First, there was never any justification for associating the 1918 pandemic with Spain. The pathogen did not originate in Spain, nor was Spain the hardest hit. The most commonly-accepted “official story” as related by our MSM is that all countries but Spain had initiated severe censorship (due to the war) and thus the facts of the pandemic freely circulated only in the Spanish media, and so it was “natural” to refer to this as the Spanish Flu. From this reasoning, since we all know the US has at least 125% freedom of speech and minus the same degree of censorship, we should rename COVID-19 “The American curse”. (This may yet happen, for other more valid reasons).

In any case, the documented evidence is increasingly voluminous – and increasingly solid – that this outbreak originated at Fort Riley, Kansas, in the US. Conspiracy theorists and historical revisionists cannot change this now.

The 1918 pandemic was quite possibly the worst the world had seen, certainly for centuries. It infected about 500 million people and killed at least 50 million worldwide. The current “official narrative” (again) is that it was caused by “an H1N1 virus that originated in birds” (which is not a ‘flu’ in any case), and its only tenuous connection with the US was that it was “first identified in the US in military personnel” in the spring of 1918. These claims appear to be false. In a 2008 report, the US NIH admitted that most of the deaths were not from ‘the flu’ nor from any bird virus but from a bacterial pneumonia.[1]Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza
The details of the studies corroborate this extensively, in which even Dr. Anthony Fauci says, “We agree completely that bacterial pneumonia played a major role in the mortality of the 1918 pandemic.”[2]J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1; 1987: 962–970. Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness David M. Morens, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, and Anthony S. Fauci

. In fact, it is now stated that the reason modern medical technology was never able to identify the “killer influenza strain” from this pandemic was because influenza was not the killer. It might be obvious to us today because we know that influenza attacks the young, old and immunocompromised, while the “Spanish Flu” attacked healthy people in their prime – which is what a bacterial pneumonia does.

Again, the official narrative tells us that, due to troop movements because of the war, the pathogen was spread worldwide. But the current emerging thesis is that troop movements might have been irrelevant because Rockefeller, in their combined haste and hubris, “sent their experimental anti-meningococcal serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and many other countries, helping spread the epidemic worldwide.” It certainly appears to be the prime suspect, and we can understand the reluctance of today’s WHO and CDC to reveal this to the popular press. As Dr. Kevin Barry wrote:

It would be much more difficult to maintain the marketing mantra of “vaccines save lives” if a vaccine experiment originating in the United States . . . caused the deaths of 50-100 million people. (and) “The American Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research and its experimental bacterial meningococcal vaccine may have killed 50-100 million people in 1918-19” is a far less effective sales slogan.[6]

The Smoking Gun

According to the 2008 National Institute of Health paper, bacterial pneumonia was the killer in a minimum of 92.7% of the 1918-19 autopsies reviewed. It is likely higher than 92.7%. The researchers looked at more than 9000 autopsies, and “there were no negative (bacterial) lung culture results.” “… In the 68 higher-quality autopsy series, in which the possibility of unreported negative cultures could be excluded, 92.7% of autopsy lung cultures were positive for ≥1 bacterium. … in one study of approximately 9000 subjects who were followed from clinical presentation with influenza to resolution or autopsy, researchers obtained, with sterile technique, cultures of either pneumococci or streptococci from 164 of 167 lung tissue samples.

“There were 89 pure cultures of pneumococci; 19 cultures from which only streptococci were recovered; 34 that yielded mixtures of pneumococci and/or streptococci; 22 that yielded a mixture of pneumococci, streptococci, and other organisms (prominently pneumococci and non-hemolytic streptococci); and 3 that yielded non-hemolytic streptococci alone. There were no negative lung culture results.”[2]J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1; 1987: 962–970. Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness David M. Morens, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, and Anthony S. Fauci
Pneumococci or streptococci were found in “164 of (the) 167 lung tissue samples” autopsied. That is 98.2%. Bacteria was the killer[6]

“The 1918 and 1919 volumes of the Journal of the American Medicine Association include many articles on the cause, prevention, and treatment of influenza. Again and again, investigators wonder at the spotty presence of B. influenzae in the ill, note its presence in healthy individuals, and observe it in other infections such as measles, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and varicella (chickenpox). In one article, the authors write, “There seems to be no justification for the belief that the epidemic was due to the influenza bacillus, which is probably a secondary invader and bears about the same relation to the influenza cases as to respiratory infections of a different sort” (Lord 1919).[7]

This appears to be where the story begins:

Following an outbreak of epidemic meningitis at Camp Funston, Kansas, in October and November, 1917, a series of antimeningitis vaccinations was undertaken on volunteer subjects from the camp.[8]A REPORT ON ANTIMENINGITIS VACCINATION
At that time, vaccinations (and perhaps much of medical science generally) were in their infancy, with very much unknown. In particular, Dr. Gates himself (see Note 8) notes that prior to this time, “meningococcus vaccines have not been extensively employed for prophylactic immunization, and only a few references are to be found in the literature that relate vaccination experiences.” He further relates that the few referenced cases experienced “very severe” reactions to the vaccines – which were entirely experimental.

In this case, the Rockefeller Institute, which seems to be where the experiments in opening this special compartment of Pandora’s Box originated, contrived an experimental vaccine and were understandably anxious to “see what happens”. It was apparently a rather crude anti-bacterial vaccine that was made in horses. I haven’t the medical competence to comment on the equine portion but others more knowledgeable have suggested this might not have been the best method. One enormous advantage of the war to Rockefeller was that the US Army ballooned from little more than 250,000 to 6,000,000 men, with the “Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research” now having an enormous pool of human guinea pigs to conduct vaccine experiments.

In a 26-page paper published in July of 1918 by Dr. Fredrick L. Gates, M. D., First Lieutenant, Medical Corps, U. S. Army, writing from the Base Hospital, Fort Riley, Kansas, and The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, New York, Dr. Gates outlines the procedure.[8]A REPORT ON ANTIMENINGITIS VACCINATION

For the determination of dosage and the study of reactions and antibody formation six groups of about 50 men each were chosen from the various companies in the regiment. Successive groups received increasing doses of vaccine in a series of three injections at 4 to 10 day intervals. The determination of the dosage of vaccine for subsequent groups followed from the reports of the reactions produced by the given doses. It was considered important to increase the doses gradually in order to locate closely the zone of mild reactions and to avoid unexpectedly severe results.

The occurrence of an occasional reaction of greater severity even with the smaller doses, and increasing local tenderness after the injection of the larger doses of vaccine led to the choice of relatively lower doses for the general series throughout the camp rather than the attempt to push the dosage up to the limit of endurance. Later experience fully justified this decision. The preliminary series of vaccinations, therefore, served to establish the method of injection, the proper dosage for extended vaccination, the reactions which might be expected to follow the chosen doses, and the production of immune bodies in the serum of vaccinated men. On the basis of these findings the vaccine was offered to the camp at large.

“Heretofore meningococcus vaccines have not been extensively employed for prophylactic immunization, and only a few references are to be found in the literature that relate vaccination experiences.”

Those few references listed apparently experienced severe reactions, all of which indicates this was truly an experiment intruding on ground not before traveled.

The results were not long in coming. “… Fourteen of the largest training camps had reported influenza outbreaks in March, April, or May, and some of the infected troops carried the virus with them aboard ships to France … As soldiers in the trenches became sick, the military evacuated them from the front lines and replaced them with healthy men. This process continuously brought the virus into contact with new hosts – young, healthy soldiers in which it could adapt, reproduce, and become extremely virulent without danger of burning out.

… Before any travel ban could be imposed, a contingent of replacement troops departed Camp Devens (outside of Boston) for Camp Upton, Long Island, the Army’s debarkation point for France, and took influenza with them. Medical officers at Upton said it arrived “abruptly” on September 13, 1918, with 38 hospital admissions, followed by 86 the next day, and 193 the next. Hospital admissions peaked on October 4 with 483, and within 40 days, Camp Upton sent 6,131 men to the hospital for influenza. Some developed pneumonia so quickly that physicians diagnosed it simply by observing the patient rather than listening to the lungs…”[9]Public Health Rep. 2010; 125(Suppl 3): 82–91. The U.S. Military and the Influenza Pandemic of 1918–1919; Carol R. Byerly, PhD

I would say here that all indications are that this event was accidental. There may well have been hubris and ‘god-like’ imaginings at the Rockefeller Institute, but I am not in a position to make such accusations. From everything I have seen in researching this subject and, while I cannot speak for Rockefeller, the US military appears to have approached this with sincerity, good intentions, and high hopes of staving off meningitis infections in their troops. I have referenced above the paper by Dr. Gates that was written in 1918, and have studied it repeatedly. From those readings, I recognise no hint of deception or cover-up, no recklessness, no disdain for the lives of the soldiers, and no attempt (as we see with vaccines today) to minimise or discard the dangers of adverse reactions. The entire tone of his paper is one of an intelligent and educated medical officer sincerely documenting the situation of a dangerous pathogen and his efforts to eliminate it. He is careful in his statements, he documents the care in administering minor and increasing doses of the vaccine and monitoring their effects at every stage. From everything I have learned, I could find no fault with the US military in this ‘experiment’, except perhaps the fact that it was an experiment. The faults, disdain, cover-ups and deception came later.

My reading of the aftermath is that both the Rockefeller Institute and the US military (after conducting their thousands of autopsies) fully realised what had happened and, in humanly-understandable terms in the face of the calamity they had inadvertently unleashed, decided the most prudent course was to bury the truth rather than face the recriminations of an already war-weary world. Let’s not forget this pandemic killed more people than did the war itself, by a very large margin. In that situation, what would you do? Can you see the headlines in the NYT and London Times, reading “Whoops!”. I believe that this pandemic became the ‘flu’ and ‘Spanish’ because it disguised both the origin and the pathogen itself, steering the world’s public in wrong directions and blaming everything on nature. But perhaps after more than 100 years it is time for the US to show a bit of courage and integrity and tell the truth. There is after all a first time for everything.

The Inevitable “Chinese Coolies”

There is one other aspect to this that requires mention: the attempt by some individuals to lay the blame for this event on China. The accusation itself is too stupid to warrant refuting, but I will briefly deal with it because it is one element of a large category of history that demands public revelation – that of Jewish slave trading.

The connection with this topic to the 1918 pandemic is the theory first promulgated by a Canadian historian named Mark Humphries from Canada’s Memorial University of Newfoundland who wrote that newly unearthed records confirm that one of the side stories of the war – the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines on World War I’s Western Front – may have been the source of the pandemic. While Humphries acknowledges that his hypothesis awaits confirmation, the National Geographic couldn’t wait and, in an article written by Dan Vergano – they published the accusation as “about as close to a smoking gun as a historian is going to get”.

That wouldn’t be so bad, but this is only 1% of the picture of Chinese “laborers” working “behind the lines” at the oddest places in the world. It needs to be told that the International Jews responsible for China’s opium century – Rothschild, Sassoon, Kadoorie, Hardoon, and many more, were also responsible for kidnapping and transporting as slaves millions of Chinese from Fujian and Guangdong for at least 150 years – the reason we have Chinese all over the world.

Few are aware that the Panama Canal was built primarily by Chinese slaves kidnapped by Jewish slave traders and shipped to Central America. That is the reason that even today more than 10% of the population of Panama is Chinese. The same was true for the Great Panama Railroad, interestingly documented by tales that after completion all the Chinese committed suicide. The story was that once the Railroad was built, the Chinese ‘laborers’ began smoking opium and all killed themselves, some apparently by cutting off their own heads. As James Bond would say, “Well, that’s a neat trick”. I should point out that the symptoms of smoking opium are pacific, not violent, and nobody is likely to cut off their own heads, impale those same heads on a spike, or hang themselves with their own hair.

It was the same with the railroads in both Canada and the US, where (as with the HSBC bank) the names were Scottish but the money was all Jewish, and countless thousands of Chinese were kidnapped and sent to North America to build the railroads for their Jewish friends – after which most were massacred.

The connection with the 1918 pandemic is the approximately 150,000 Chinese “laborers” who “voluntarily” went from Shandong to Europe to assist in the war effort. This by itself is ridiculous. The Chinese in Shandong had enough trouble with the Jews selling opium and the Japanese gobbling up their country to care about some stupid war halfway around the world. What happened was that the International Jews had infiltrated themselves so thoroughly into China that they controlled Chiang Kai-Shek and more importantly Harvard-educated T. V. Soong and, after establishing a Rothschild-owned Central Bank, were in the process of looting every penny from China. In the midst of this, and with the war now a reality, they prevailed upon Chiang and Soong to kidnap yet more Chinese to be used as slave labor and cannon fodder for their war in Europe. Chiang obliged, and the Chinese citizens were forcibly conscripted as always.

They were sent first to Canada, transported across the country to the Atlantic, then shipped to Europe where nearly all of them died. This is the issue. “Historians” (primarily Jewish) have suddenly discovered that the Chinese who were shipped to Canada and Europe came not only with their luggage but with the “Spanish flu”, ready to infect the world. The documented evidence is of course non-existent but then Jewish historical novels seldom rely on evidence. One Jewish historian tells us that at the time China was suffering from something that “just must have been” the Spanish flu, with at least 150 miles along the Great Wall suffering from this infection. Well, Beijing is like every other cold climate in the world in that we will find colds and the flu in winter, so nothing special here. But what we actually had was one Chinese at mile zero, one at mile 150 and one at mile 300, and thus we have infected Chinese for at least 300 miles.

The next part tells us that when the “infected” Chinese were in Canada waiting for transportation to Europe, they were housed in internment camps “surrounded by barbed wire”. Even worse, while on the 8,000 Km. train trip across Canada, their carriages were locked to protect them from “anti-Chinese sentiment”. That’s cute. Would this be like the American Wild West, where gangs of marauding Canadians would be mounted on horseback and chasing down trains so they could mount them and beat up the hated Chinese passengers? There was no anti-Chinese sentiment extant to justify such outrageous measures. The Chinese were indeed in locked carriages, and for the same reason they were in internment camps with barbed wire – so the ungrateful kidnapped slaves couldn’t escape.

The theory is further embellished that many of the kidnapped Chinese were ill, conveniently with the Spanish flu, and thus carried it from the Great Wall to Europe. No indication of how it migrated to Fort Riley. And of course, the reason the Spanish flu didn’t affect China was because all Chinese had already been infected and were immune. I was always a fan of Science Fiction, but it occurs to me that Medical Fiction may be even more exciting.

There is so much effort today to attribute the ‘Spanish flu’ to the Chinese – by Jewish historians – as there also is to attribute Europe’s Bubonic Plague to the Chinese – by the same Jewish historians. This really needs to end, and the best method is to name and identify all those responsible. Perhaps the time has finally arrived for the world to know the truth of a great many things.

Mr. Romanoff’s writing has been translated into 28 languages and his articles posted on more than 150 foreign-language news and politics websites in more than 30 countries, as well as more than 100 English-language platforms. Larry Romanoff is a retired management consultant and businessman. He has held senior executive positions in international consulting firms, and owned an international import-export business. He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West. He is one of the contributing authors to Cynthia McKinney’s new anthology ‘When China Sneezes’. His full archive can be seen at and He can be contacted at: [email protected]

Additional References

1. Deaths from Bacterial Pneumonia during 1918–19 Influenza Pandemic

John F. Brundage* and G. Dennis Shanks†

Author affiliations: *Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center, Silver Spring, Maryland, USA; †Australian Army Malaria Institute, Enoggera, Queensland, Australia

4. PDF of Fort Riley Study [1918]

5. American Experience, “The First Wave”, PBS


[1] Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza

[2] J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1; 1987: 962–970. Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness David M. Morens, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, and Anthony S. Fauci








[9] Public Health Rep. 2010; 125(Suppl 3): 82–91. The U.S. Military and the Influenza Pandemic of 1918–1919; Carol R. Byerly, PhD

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  1. lloyd says: • Website

    Larry Romanoff’s writing boggles the mind. He loses his credibility here by terms “kidnapping and transporting as slaves”. I assume he means indentured labour. Indentured labour have been called those terms as metaphors for economic necessity and exploitation. But they were not taken off the street and sent in chains. Nor were they all massacred after their indentured labour was finished. I speculate that is what is inculcated in mainland Chinese schools and media as Larry says he lives in Shanghai. He is also a contributing author to Cynthia McKinney’s anthology. As much as I like Cynthia, I suspect Western objective history is not her agenda.

  2. “It was the same with the railroads in both Canada and the US, where (as with the HSBC bank) the names were Scottish but the money was all Jewish, and countless thousands of Chinese were kidnapped and sent to North America to build the railroads for their Jewish friends – after which most were massacred.”

    If Chinese laborers were massacred after building the railroad in Canada, we would have heard about it.

    The problem with the Chinese is that they didn’t want to leave. After widespread immigration fraud in the late 1800’s involving Chinese bringing more Chinese over, the Canadians had enough and imposed the head tax and continuous passage laws just as World War 1 was starting.

  3. We’re # 1 , were # 1, why am I always smelling # 2 ?

    • LOL: Daniel Rich
  4. @lloyd

    There were riots in Vancouver in the early 1900s, protesting the importation of Chinese labourers. The “head tax” put in place in 1885 was increased to \$100, then to \$500 in 1904, which would have been about 2 years wages. If the locked train is true, then, yes, it would have been to prevent them from escaping, and entering the country, avoid payment of the “head tax”.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  5. @lloyd

    I don’t usually respond to trolls, but for obvious members of the Hasbara Misinformation Committee, an exception is necessary.

    The International Jews are becoming afraid that their leadership in worldwide slave trading for centuries will become public knowledge and tarnish their carefully-cultivated image as the persecuted downtrodden, thus lessening their moral hold on the world’s sentiments.

    One method of doing this is to suddenly reclassify slave trading as indentured employment. This is one of the biggest and dirtiest lies told. As always, there is no evidence to support their assertions. It is almost always empty claims. In the cases mentioned in the article, those people were forcibly abducted and transported as slave labor. Whether they were in chains is immaterial. And yes, in England and Ireland white slaves were indeed “taken off the street” by Jewish slave traders and shipped to the New World.

    The opium Jews, the Rothschilds, the Sassoons, Kadoories, Hardoons, and many more, and their close friends, were responsible for all of it. This is the truth and the world cannot permit the facts to be buried any longer.

    Additionally, since mis-informationists like this commenter have no evidence, they rely to the maximum extent possible on personal attacks, attempting to discredit and even destroy the name and reputation of anyone telling the truth about their crimes. It is the credibility of people like this that needs to be evaporated, not that of historians who expose the truth.

  6. @Beavertales

    Oh yes indeed that Yellow peril and let us remember what happened likewise to American Japanese who were forcibly removed from the Coast and re-settled in parched areas for prairie dirt farming but previously had been fishermen and restaurant owners along the Pacific Coast —racism has been a staple in North America. Stomping Tom Connors sings it best regarding the Rock and anything very scholarly originating from there ” You might think that this sounds goofy —but the man on the Moon’s a Newfie !”

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  7. @Larry Romanoff

    Thanks for a fascinating article. You provide good references re the Spanish Flu.

    But not re the point you make here, centuries of Jewish slave trade, sadly.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  8. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Your statement on references re: slave trading is correct. It is just too large a subject to deal with in a casual manner, and I didn’t want to derail the main point of the article. I mentioned the subject only to alert readers to the Jews’ developing fiction of blaming China for the 1918 pandemic (and the Bubonic Plague).

    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
    , @Al Liguori
  9. “And of course, the reason the Spanish flu didn’t affect China was because all Chinese had already been infected and were immune”
    Wow — if true that’s quite a pirouette ! These Chinese guys have some fancy moves…..

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @gnbRC
  10. When I read in Chaim Weizmann’s autobiography, Trial and Error , about Weizmann’s cynical and detached utilization of Mark Sykes;

    when I later read that in February, 1919, Sykes died at age 39 of “Spanish flu” in his hotel room in Paris where he was participating in the Versailles negotiations at which Weizmann and other zionists were present and disproportionately represented;

    when I read that Woodrow Wilson also caught the Flu in Paris, that Wilson deeply mourned and was totally discombobulated by the death of Sykes and his own illness and was thereafter rendered ineffective at the Treaty negotiations (and ever after);

    when I noticed that Weizmann did not even acknowledge Sykes’s death in Trial and Error;

    when I learned, as Mr. Romanoff explained, that the deaths attributed to “Flu” were actually caused by a vaccine administered to US military forces preparing to deploy to Europe;

    when additional reading about US participation in WWI revealed that it was manipulated by zionists (Louis Brandeis chief among others) to achieve zionist aims,
    and that US military forces were woefully inadequate to successfully fight the battle – – –

    all these pieces of a puzzle caused me to speculate that

    the World War I Flu vaccine was deliberately weaponized and spread in Europe as the US (and zionist) weapon by which to win the War as well as to achieve the zionist “dual triumph” at Versailles.

    In the very early days of the present virus pandemic, the meme du jour was that it was “World War II redux.”


    Plague was one of the weapons in the Jewish Exodus from Egypt arsenal.
    In the early days of zionism Theodor Herzl petitioned Kaiser Wilhelm’s support for an Exodus of the Jews from Germany.
    On Feb. 14, 1933 Louis Brandeis directed that “all German Jews leave Germany.” It was time for that migratory tribe to seek better opportunities, and as is their wont, to plunder and destroy the lands they were leaving.

    Those German Jews were migrated to Palestine and to USA, where zionism gained a toehold.

    That toehold having matured, zionist Jews and others (a cast of characters similar to the coalition organized to destroy Germany-Europe in WWII) are using the Covid virus to secure their total dominance of the United States of America. This time around, to spare themselves the expense of rebuilding American infrastructure, only the people of the US are being destroyed.

    Larry Romanoff is judicious in citing the Gates report that called the harmful vaccine “mistaken” and not deliberate. It is not surprising that someone like Gates would do so; any report that did otherwise would not see the light of day.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  11. A fascinating article on an important subject, given what’s going on today. For those who are interested, here’s another:

    • Thanks: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
    , @Skeptikal
  12. KlcTan says:

    In the book ” The China Mirage ” James Bradley recorded cases where Chinese in the US west were rounded up and put into boats, and pushed into the Pacific Ocean. And they were also loaded onto trains that run on rail lines built by Chinese coolies, taken to the wilderness and shot.

    • Replies: @lloyd
  13. Thanks for a very informative and thought-provoking article. Rockefeller was the best example of SCOTUS Justice Brandeis’ warning that, “We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.”

    There’s a good article in counterpunch’s archives on the antecedents of all this.

    I quote from its introduction, “Many people date the DNA revolution to the discovery of its structure by James Watson and Francis Crick in 1953. But really it began thirty years before, conceived by the mind of John D Rockefeller, Sr. Thus it is fitting that DNA is named after him. DNA stands for DeoxyriboNucleic Acid and ribo stands for Rockefeller Institute of Biochemistry (now Rockefeller University) where the chemical composition of DNA was first discovered in the 1920s. The Rockefeller Foundation had become interested in DNA because its trustees feared a Bolshevik-style revolution. Intense public resentment had already compelled the break-up of their Standard oil Company in 1911; so the Foundation sought ways, said trustee Harry Pratt Judson in 1913, to ‘reinforce the police power of the state’. They intended to find the ultimate key to human behavior which would allow the resentful and envious mobs to be effectively managed.”

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Thanks: Pheasant, Skeptikal
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  14. @Observator


    DNA stands for DeoxyriboNucleic Acid and ribo stands for Rockefeller Institute of Biochemistry (now Rockefeller University) where the chemical composition of DNA was first discovered in the 1920s. The Rockefeller Foundation had become interested in DNA because its trustees feared a Bolshevik-style revolution. Intense public resentment had already compelled the break-up of their Standard oil Company in 1911; so the Foundation sought ways,. . .to ‘reinforce the police power of the state’. They intended to find the ultimate key to human behavior which would allow the resentful and envious mobs to be effectively managed.”

    Rockefeller University is playing a major role in the Covid vaccine development and propaganda campaign to distribute it

    Saw this on

    Regarding the Moderna & Pfizer vaxs: Don’t follow your Bliss.
    Katherine E Bliss, Senior Fellow at CSIS’s Global Health Policy Center,
    recently opened a panel discussion on Building Confidence in Covid 19 Vaccine and Misinformation

    Most of the discussion involved strategies to persuade this, that or the other group not to resist vaccination. Missing was any mention of why vaccine was needed.

    Bliss has appeared in perhaps a dozen such conferences.

    Top funders of CSIS’s Global Health Policy Center include

    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
    Carnegie Corporation of New York
    Sarah Scaife Foundation
    Smith Richardson Foundation
    Stavros Niarchos Foundation [SNF]

    SNF’s participation in Covid Relief includes funding Rockefeller-linked vaccine research activities:

    “The first area of focus is medical research. Knowing that combating the virus effectively at the global scale will require both new vaccines and new treatments, SNF will provide support for research efforts focused on effective testing, treatment, and prevention. To this end, SNF has provided an immediate grant of \$3 million to The Rockefeller University to support the world-class institution’s round-the-clock research related to COVID-19. Rockefeller’s Nobel Prize-winning researchers are well positioned to speed development and deployment of vaccines and treatments that could have global impact.”

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  15. @Digital Samizdat

    And yet another

    “Thread: Deconstructing the 1918 “Spanish Flu” Pandemic””

  16. Schuetze says:

    “the World War I Flu vaccine was deliberately weaponized and spread in Europe as the US (and zionist) weapon by which to win the War as well as to achieve the zionist “dual triumph” at Versailles.”

    I don’t believe that there was only one “spanish flu” any more than I believe that there is one “covid 19 flu”. With covid 19 there are clearly several “strains” than appear to have broken out in a random fashion simultaneously across the planet. We are told that the strains were different in Wuhan, Milan and Iran. To me this smells like just another example of zionist’s developing a poison tool box.

    Conveniently nations that refuse to toe to the zionist plague narrative get hit by waves of new strains of “virus”. Now it is Sweden’s turn.

    There is the strange case of the Rose Garden “super spreader” event at Amy Barret’s confirmation where 8 republicans seated in a small section all suddenly came down with “covid”. There has been speculation that a micro drone may have delivered the bio-weapon. Then there is the strange fashion in which politicians become infected, including Trump, and now Macron.

    Back in 1919, Wilson caught the “spanish flu” during a critical impasse of Versailles negotiation.

    The Kaiser had accepted the Armistice based on Wilson’s promises and the 14 points. When the negotiations for the treaty had reached a critical stumbling block, and with Wilson resisting all demands of the victors and their jewish lawyers for revenge, Wilson mysteriously gets infected and capitulates:

    ““Wilson had been adamant, insisting on the ‘14 Points,’ self-determination, and ‘peace without victory.’ Clemenceau had even accused him of being ‘pro-German.’ All of a sudden, Wilson caved in on all 14 points except the League of Nations, and only because Clemenceau threw him a bone.”

    For Wilson’s negotiation team in Paris and his supporters back home, the Treaty of Versailles signed in June 1919 was a betrayal of everything Wilson had stood for, and set the stage for more conflict and death on European soil.

    William Bullitt, an assistant to the Department of State and a loyal Wilson attaché at the Paris negotiations, immediately proffered his resignation.

    “I was one of the millions who trusted confidently and implicitly in your leadership and believed that you would take nothing less than ‘a permanent peace’ based on ‘unselfish and unbiased justice,’” wrote Bullitt. “But our government has consented now to deliver the suffering peoples of the world to new oppressions, subjections, dismemberments—a new century of war.”

  17. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    ““There seems to be no justification for the belief that the epidemic was due to the influenza bacillus…”

    Bacillus refers to bacteria. In 1918, it was not yet known that influenzas were caused by a virus. As such, there was enormous effort devoted to discovery of a bacterial cause of the epidemic.

    Without an elementary understanding of the development of microbiology, the topic is incomprehensible.

    “The human influenza A virus was discovered in 1933 soon after Shope succeeded in isolating swine influenza A virus in 1931. Since the discovery studies in the influenza have made immense progress and have contributed greatly to not only virology but also immunology and molecular biology.”

    For anyone with an interest in the subject, I recommend John Berry’s book, the Great Influenza.

    The central point being that in 1918, they were rather adept at working with bacteria, but not viruses.

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  18. GeeBee says:

    A most interesting article, but I am puzzled by what to me appears to be a glaring – and crucial – non-sequitur. After having pointed the finger of blame at the anti-meningococcal vaccine, and then exonerating any agency related to a flu virus (a conclusion reinforced by his quoting of autopsies in which no influenza virus could be found, but only bacterial agents causing pneumonia), the writer goes on to state that:

    Fourteen of the largest training camps had reported influenza outbreaks in March, April, or May, and some of the infected troops carried the virus with them aboard ships to France … As soldiers in the trenches became sick, the military evacuated them from the front lines and replaced them with healthy men. This process continuously brought the virus into contact with new hosts – young, healthy soldiers in which it could adapt, reproduce, and become extremely virulent without danger of burning out.

    Or in other words, he reverts to blaming ‘influenza’ and thus, a virus. Having switched his readers’ attention by this feat of legerdemain, he spends the rest of his piece talking about viral infection, having deftly side-stepped all of his initial focus placed on a vaccine as the culprit. Clearly, unless an infectious agency were responsible for all those millions of deaths, we would be left to conclude that they had all been given the experimental vaccine, a ludicrous claim.

    Is it just me, or have I identified a major flaw in the writer’s analysis?

  19. Schuetze says:

    “Even attempts to verify the way the disease spread were frustrated. On a parade ground at the naval prison in Boston Harbor’s Deer Island, Dr. Joseph Goldberger, a public-health physician, stood before a thousand deserters, insubordinates, brawlers, and other delinquent sailors. The doctor needed volunteers for an influenza experiment. The epidemic had stricken nearly a quarter of the total personnel and was on its way to taking the lives of 5,000 men.

    Goldberger was blunt. Volunteers would first have to inhale a pure culture of Pfeiffer influenza bacillus into their nostrils. If this did not infect them, they would be injected with matter from the lungs of dead influenza victims. Volunteers would next have secretions from influenza patients sprayed into their nostrils and eyes and swabbed inside their throats. Finally each volunteer would be assigned to a seriously ill influenza patient who would cough directly into his face.

    In exchange for running this gauntlet with death all surviving volunteers would be pardoned and restored to active duty. Three hundred men volunteered; Goldberger took 62 of them for his experiment.

    A week after the sailor guinea pigs had sniffed, been injected, had their throats swabbed, and 10 of them had inhaled the coughs of influenza victims, not one man had contracted the disease. Their escape may be explained by the fact that the epidemic had already passed through Deer Island before the experiment had started, and these particular volunteers may have possessed natural immunity. Ironically, the doctor in charge of the quarantine station where the experiment was conducted did contract influenza and died during the study. But as for the experiment itself, it failed to verify the one point that the doctors previously had thought they were sure of—how the disease was transmitted.”

    (((Dr. Goldberger))) performed all these experiments on how he could spread the disease because he simply loved goyim.

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  20. Schuetze says:


    “All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected “seeded” with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.”

    That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time.

    There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against. One soldier who had returned from overseas in 1912 told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why grown men should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine poisoning. Those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.

    “FDR was diagnosed with infantile paralysis, better known as polio, in 1921, at the age of 39.”

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  21. lloyd says: • Website

    I have just looked at the book. The vigilante actions of Knights of Labor and random vigilante groups are indeed shocking and a glossed over part of American history. There seems no desire to put it into Hollywood. I guess Chinese movie people have better things to do. Chinese culture is actually very aggressive if it feels under attack and very tribal. I recall at Auckland University developing feelings of animosity to Chinese Malaysian students who would zip around in their motor bikes and grab the Summer jobs. When I told my liberal mother my ill feelings, she was shocked and kept bringing it up. Not about the miserable situation I found myself in but my “racism”. So nothing has changed. Bradley is careful to say the American opium merchants in China were “Christians all”. So no Jews there? One train I read took Chinese coolies into the wilderness. It doesn’t say they were shot. For which the vigilantes would have been charged with murder. As a little Chinese girl said to me once. “Where are the bodies?” Maybe the boats sailed somewhere else and the Chinese disappeared into local populations. There are certainly plenty of them outside China. As regards genocide. The only real one I can think of regarding Chinese was the Boxer rebellion in early 1900s. Over night, the Chinese peasant populations turned on and massacred every foreigner they could get their hands on. The non Chinese populations in China were destroyed except in Beijing where they resisted with foreign armies. In 1945, the entire emigre Japanese population amounting to hundreds of thousands in Manchuria were expelled. In this case, abandoned Japanese children were taken into Chinese homes . Both these histories the Chinese people know nothing about and are not the least interested.

  22. The so called Flu Pandemic of 1918 was mainly the result of the Para-typhus vaccine made from pig and chicken substrate. The government then also did the same thing they are doing now, that being to classify all deaths possible as “the Spanish Flu.” The Rockefeller’s were pushing allopathic medicine everywhere and so the potential for huge profits and societal control were already in the works. some countries refused the vaccines and therefore had no problems. another factor is that at this time the new drug aspirin had come on the scene and anyone that was ill was liable to be given such a massive dose as to be lethal.

    Governments have pushed the vaccine scam since the 1800’s beginning with the smallpox vaccine in England that caused so many deaths and disabilities in one of big industrial cities that the residents revolted against it. Despite dire warnings from the medical and gov. shysters it was stopped. They had less small pox for the succeeding 50 years than anywhere else.

    The polio fraud is covered by Forest Maready in “the Moth in The Iron Lung” the epidemic of Autism in “The Autism Vaccine” and cortex vaccine injuries in “Crooked.” Suzanne Humphries gives the history of the vaccine scam in Dissolving Illusions” and points out that good nutrition, and sanitation had practically eliminated infectious disease before the vaccination program began in Jewmerica. She also as does Maready exposes the massive damage and the coverups involved in the vaccine scam.

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  23. @Schuetze

    You have hit the nail on the head. As far as Zionist puppet actor FDR however, Maready points out that his paralysis was most likely due to gorging on berries when he got off his yacht at his vacation house. The next day he was paralyzed. In those days berries were typically sprayed with an arsenic – lead mixture that when eaten in copious amounts caused paralysis as latter on the neurotoxin DDT did also. When the polio vaccination campaign began about 9 different symptoms or diseases were classified as polio. Once the polio vaccine scam started they stopped reporting all of them as polio so that the vaccine appeared to work. It is known that practically all polio after the 195o’s was the result of the vaccine.

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  24. @Larry Romanoff

    Herbert Hoover, a mining engineer and employee of the Rothschilds Rio Tinto Mining Co. was heavily involved in the Chinese labor racket you mentioned. He also provided surreptitious food aid into Belgium (on behalf of the Anglo Zionists) in order to keep the Germans in the WW1 conflict longer so as to maximize damage and profits for the Rockefeller, Morgan interests run by Bernard Baruch, head of the War Industries Board during the Presidency of the syphilitic puppet Woodrow Wilson.

    Later Hoover was responsible for providing massive food aid along with the Red Cross, to the Soviets (Jews) after the 1917 revolution in order to keep them afloat long enough so that the White Russians could be torpedoed and until the massive agricultural, industrial and financial aid from Jewmerica in the form of the 5 year programs could kick in. The USSR was always totally dependent on western aid to keep it propped up. In 1989 they were producing less grain than when under the Czar.

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  25. Thomasina says:

    They did the same with Germans and Italian men during World War II, came into their houses and took them away, put them into camps.

    It wasn’t just the Asians.

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  26. @lloyd

    21.lloyd says:

    “As regards genocide. The only real one I can think of regarding Chinese was the Boxer rebellion in early 1900s. Over night, the Chinese peasant populations turned on and massacred every foreigner they could get their hands on.”

    More Hasbara misinformation. If we want an example of genocide regarding the Chinese, we need look no further than the same opium Jews – Rothschild, Sassoon, Kadoorie, Hardoon, and friends, in the Taiping Rebellion.

    At the time, the Taipings controlled much of the land area of China. They were not saints, but one good thing they did was to forbid the possession and use of opium in any territory they controlled. Additionally, the forbade the passage of opium through all that territory, and were on the verge of killing the entire opium trade.

    The history books tell us that “a group of wealthy Shanghai businessmen” assembled an army and “put down” the Taiping rebellion. True, but what the history books don’t tell us is that those “wealthy Shanghai businessmen” were Rothschild, Sassoon, Kadoorie, Hardoon, et al. Rothschild had much experience with this because at one time he had a personal army in India of about one million men, half to discourage Indians from objecting to his looting of their country by his British East India Company and the other half to force Indian peasants to grow opium that he could deliver to Sassoon in China.

    Those men assembled, trained, financed and armed an army of nearly one million men in China, obtained experienced British commanders to lead them, and set them loose on the Taipings, causing the bloodiest war in the history of the world, with 70 million to 90 million dead. The Jews didn’t do that to help the Emperor or to save China. They killed nearly 100 million people merely to protect and reinstate their drug profits.

    Further, even the Jewish Encyclopedias state firmly that opium “was entirely a Jewish business” and that Sassoon “wouldn’t permit any non-Jews to participate”. David Sassoon was given the exclusive distribution rights for opium for all of China, by Queen Victoria herself.

    It was also the same Jews who pushed the British military to destroy the Summer Palace, arguably the most heinous crime of cultural genocide in the history of the world, with something like 10 million irreplaceable artifacts stolen and destroyed. And this is by no means the end of this horrid story of the Jews in China.

    These are more truths the world must come to know, and people like this Lloyd cannot be permitted any longer to spread such reprehensible misinformation.

  27. joe2.5 says:

    while the “Spanish Flu” attacked healthy people in their prime – which is what a bacterial pneumonia does.

    Very difficult forcing oneself to read past such a monument of crass ignorance. If you write on anything, a good idea is to acquire some of the rudiments.

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  28. @Beavertales

    The problem with the Chinese is that they didn’t want to leave.

    Very funny statement.

    Why the whites never want to leave??? After all, North America does not belong to the whites either.

    The problem with the whites is that they have this very funny “What belong to them belong to them. What belong to others ALSO belong to them.” mentality.

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  29. @SolontoCroesus

    Rockefeller University is playing a major role in the Covid vaccine development and propaganda campaign to distribute it

    Rockefeller Foundation also published in 2010 Pandemic scenarios paper (Lockstep):

  30. El Dato says:

    A take of some interest indeed.

    In fact, it is now stated that the reason modern medical technology was never able to identify the “killer influenza strain” from this pandemic

    What’s this then

    Origin and evolution of the 1918 “Spanish” influenza virus hemagglutinin gene

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  31. Dumbo says:

    I don’t know much about the 1918 “flu”, but it is proven that the polio vaccine (both Salk and Sabin) contaminated millions of people with a simian virus, SV40, which was later associated with an increase in the cases of cancer:

    The problem of vaccines in general is that many use animal tissue (or if not from aborted human fetuses) and this can lead to further problems of contamination. I am not sure about the mRNA vaccines; they may be even worse in some ways, for tricking your own body to produce a virus protein.

  32. @Larry Romanoff

    There were certainly high enough wages to induce the Chinese to come here. No need to Shanghai them all.

  33. @Larry Romanoff

    Fascinating information. It creates some rabbit holes for digging further and I enjoy doing that.

    One part that particularly interested me was about Chinese slaves being taken to Panama to build the canal. Reason being, I have a Chinese friend here in the states who was born and raised in Costa Rica. Years ago, when I asked her what took her grandfather all the way from China to Central America in the early 20th century – she got flustered and in a strange way. It was clear that that simple question unnerved her and she claimed she didn’t know why he had. That’s nonsense, of course, but it was obvious not to press any further. I wonder if her grandfather might have been one of those slave laborers.

    Aside from your main points but, in case anyone is interested, I had previously done some reading of the David Sassoon family and their opium dealings. (There is a separate Wiki page specifically about David)

    Interestingly, he had a huge family – 12 kids from two wives. Albert, the eldest, went to England, became a Baronet and had a son that married into the Rothschild family.

    As it was, the Rothschild patriarch born a few decades earlier than David Sassoon, had 10 children.

    If anyone ever comes across a chart of the elite Jewish family inter-marriages of the last few centuries, I’d love to see it.

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  34. @lloyd

    In 1945, the entire emigre Japanese population amounting to hundreds of thousands in Manchuria were expelled. In this case, abandoned Japanese children were taken into Chinese homes . Both these histories the Chinese people know nothing about and are not the least interested.

    The Japs went to China like the whites went to America and Australia– with the aim of robbing the land and other resources from the natives. murrika was the model both Nazi Germany and militarist Japan used for their own Lebensraum programs.

    When the Russians came at the end of WWII, the escaping Japs lightened their load by abandoning the own children in order to save their own skin. Some killed their own teenage daughters to save them from the rapist Russians. Some– but not all– justice was done that day.

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  35. Dumbo says:

    By the way, isn’t it odd that the UK, the first country that started vaccination, is now claiming a “new mutation of Covid”?

    Which of course, will be the excuse for even harsher lockdowns and authoritarian measures. Hoax or not, globalist psychos want to go full retard on medical tyranny and lock you down forever.

  36. Quite significant material in this article, about Jewish enslavement and human trafficking of Chinese labourers, as well as about the Frankenstein consequences of early human-abusing vaccine development

    1800s Jewish abuse of Chinese workers, goes far to explain what was related here on Unz, regarding government-connected Chinese scholar Dr Dongsheng Di, talking about Jewish attempts to secure major influence in China but being rebuffed:

    But another complexity in this area, is that Jews were heavily involved in China in Mao’s rise to power, European Jews being the only non-Chinese to become Chinese Communist government ministers and even take a place on its ruling politburo alongside Mao … these Jews helped to shape China at the highest level for decades

    Polish-born Jew Israel Epstein became Mao’s powerful Minister of Appropriations handling key financial matters, & knew later Chinese leaders up through Hu Jintao, when Epstein died in his 90s .. Sidney Shapiro – politburo member – and ‘Chen Bidi’, Sidney Rittenberg, Virginius Frank Coe, Rewi Alley also served Mao closely despite all being of foreign-Jewish origin

    A helpful web page now expired, ‘Secret Life of Jews in China’, with photos of Mao with his many Jewish partners, is archived here in a screenshot, see just below the break (image is large esp. in length, can click to expand to full web-page size after going to the link)

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  37. Schuetze says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    I must admit that I had to go to wikipedia to read up on the Taiping Rebellion, and as expected Sassoon, Rothschild and Jew opium pushing were not mentioned.

    What strikes me is that if you look at what was going on around the world at the same time, there was the Crimean War against Alexander and Russia who were resisting Jewish hegemony, the Indian Mutiny where Indians were resisting Jewish hegemony, there was the American Civil war where Jewish Power on both sides were pitting Jewish Usury Capitalism against Jewish Plantation Slave State, and the there were the proto-Communist revolutions across all of Europe in 1848,

    During this entire period Zionist Freemasonry was also running rampant across the entire planet.

    So really if we consider WWI and WWII to have been deliberately created by organized Jewry, and if we consider WWII to in reality being the second act of WWI, and if we believe the Jacobins and the Freemason Napoleon to have been Jewish stooges, and if we believe the current plandemic to be the final act of the conquest of the world, then the planet is now entering the third century of World War Zion where it is Judaism pitted against Planet Goy.

    Some might argue that this one sided war is as old as the bible, and I would not try to argue the point. But it we take the subject of this thread, the 1918 “Spanish Flu” plandemic, and then look at this never ending world war, then we need to do an inventory of suspected bio-warfare attacks by Jews on their victims to try to discern a pattern to use as further proof.

    I am certainly no pathologist, but I will take a stab at making a short list of suspected bio-warfare attacks (successful and unsuccessful) and attach a probability that organized Jewery was behind it.

    Bubonic Plague — 50%
    Spanish Flu — 70%
    1945 plan to kill 6 million Germans — 100%
    Operation Sea Spray on San Francisco 1950 — 80%
    MKUltra LSD dispersal in Koolaid across the US — 80%
    AIDS — 50%
    CV19 — 80%

    I would be interested if anyone else had similar examples.

  38. @GeeBee

    No well-developed theory of viruses existed in 1918, although there was some speculation as to the existence of non-bacterial infectious agents. ‘Influenza’ at the time was just a general term for any airborne infectious disease. It wasn’t until the 1930s that any scientist claimed to have isolated a virus in a lab. As far as the Spanish Flu in concerned, I think the assumption of the alt-theorists is that Rockefeller’s vaccine either infected the soldiers with a mutant strain of meningitis, or else with some other bug transported from horses to humans. (The vaccine makers had obtained the original meningococci from horses.)

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  39. Tom Welsh says:

    It can only be a coincidence that Fort Riley is very close the absolute geographic centre of the USA. If you wanted a pathogen to reach all parts of the country evenly and as quickly as possible, Fort Riley would be a good place to release it.

  40. Getaclue says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    The Rockefellers destroyed Medicine and basically everything else they touched. (The CVirus Medical Martial Law springs from them and Gates is part of them and their Agenda….). The “founder” of the family, Father of John D. Rockefeller was literally called the Devil for good reason and his progeny clearly lived up as sons….:

  41. Tom Welsh says:

    The name “Rockefeller” rings a bell in this context.

    The 1916 New York polio epidemic was thought to have caused 23,000 cases and 5,000 deaths through new England the Middle Atlantic states. The case fatality rate of 25% was far above the rate for “wild” polio of less than 1%.

    “Three miles from the epicentre of the outbreak, Simon Flexner and his associates at the Rockefeller Institute at 63rd Street and York Avenue… had been passaging spinal cord tissue containing poliovirus, from one Rhesus monkey spinal cord to another… It is a remarkable coincidence that a unique neurotropic strain of poliovirus was developed a few miles away from an epidemic caused by a uniquely pathogenic strain of the virus… almost anywhere in new York was within a few streets of a rail link to the Rockefeller Institute”.

    – Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk, “Dissolving illusions: Disease, vaccines, and the forgotten history”, pp 262-3.

    And it’s less than two miles walk to Grand Central Station!

  42. Tom Welsh says:

    “It certainly appears to be the prime suspect, and we can understand the reluctance of today’s WHO and CDC to reveal this to the popular press”.

    Yes indeed.

    After a subsequent vaccine disaster in the USA,

    “The reason there was not much paralysis among the vaccinated was because, as was already known, 80-90 percent of the childhood population at the time was already naturally immune to at least one strain of poliovirus… Anyone who was immune naturally would also, fortunately, have been immune to the corresponding vaccine virus.

    “You may be wondering how this information was concealed from the public for nearly fifty years. Congressman Percy Priest ordered and chaired a full investigation of the vaccine controversy. He admitted in 1956 that:

    “‘… in the previous year (1955) many responsible persons had felt that the public should be spared the ordeal of “knowledge about controversy”. If word ever got out that the Public Health Service had actually done something damaging to the health of the American people, the consequences would be terrible… We felt that no lasting good could come to science or the public if the Public Health Services were discredited’”.

    – Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk, “Dissolving illusions: Disease, vaccines, and the forgotten history”, pp 272-3.

    [One feels that it was really those responsible who didn’t care to be exposed. Something very similar, on a far larger scale, seems to have happened in 2020].

  43. @Schuetze

    I must admit that I had to go to wikipedia to read up on the Taiping Rebellion, and as expected Sassoon, Rothschild and Jew opium pushing were not mentioned.

    Interestingly enough, Wikipedia does mention the subject (in passing) on its David Sassoon page:

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  44. Rocha says:

    Disease causing viruses have never been proven to exist. Viruses are exosomes.

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  45. Tom Welsh says:
    @Deep Thought

    Now that black US citizens are referred to as “African Americans”, wouldn’t it be consistent and constructive to call white US citizens “European Americans”? Also “Chinese Americans”, Indian Americans”, etc.

    Then the unfortunate indigenous people could be called simply “Americans”.

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  46. Alfred says:

    But they were not taken off the street and sent in chains.

    True. But they were made false promises about their earnings, treatment and chances of returning to China.

    The girls from Ukraine who are sent to work in illegal brothels in Israel, Germany and the UK are also not “taken off the street and sent in chains”. But the outcome is the same. 🙁

    Surprisingly enough, the Jews largely control that trade as well. If you do a Google search for “девушки хотели работать в клубах в Германии” and choose the English translation, you will see what these “chains” really look like to the unfortunate girls.

  47. Schuetze says:

    Don’t forget that it was Kissinger who “opened” Red China and is now up to his ears in “the great reset”….

  48. Dumbo says:

    Yes, this jumped at me too. Most diseases (for obvious reasons) affect more the old or the sick. Bacterial pneumonia is no exception. In fact, most victims of “Covid” appear to be actually victims of bacterial (or viral) pneumonia. But I wouldn’t know.

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  49. Ugetit says:

    Perhaps the time has finally arrived for the world to know the truth of a great many things.

    Perhaps, indeed.

    Another masterful piece. I knew that some terrible shit has repeatedly happened courtesy of the non goyim moneybags, but I had no idea about all of this and the histories keep getting more shocking but less surprising.

    Thanks so much, LR.

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  50. Frank j says:
    @Deep Thought

    Interesting aspect of that seems to be that it’s actually the sub-group of “whites” who do not at all see themselves as “whites”, who are generally the driving force for all that mentality. They instigated and financed the greed and need for wars, they financed and instigated the wars of aggression to punish those who did not go along or disobeyed them. They financed and created the systems of enslavement in Europe and the Americas. And it would not at all surprised me one bit if it were discovered and/or validated that they were behind at least starting the Muslim middle massage African slave trade that the Portuguese of their kind then later introduced Europe to through and that the Chinese “indentured servant” narrative was also them. When your teachings are the origin of supremacism and the very notion of its offshoot, racism, is way to just act as if everyone else is slaves since you see everyone else as only existing to serve your needs.

    It’s always rather indicative of their involvement when you have a story that is on the face of it rather odd, to put it lightly, e.g. some Chinese peasants willingly and freely signing up to some contractual indenturement on a continent they had no frame of reference for, let alone any kind of historical or cultural relation to in any way whatsoever. Europeans signing up to go to the “new world” where there is at that point already centuries of “trade routes“ established is one thing, the Chinese willingly signing up to go to what may as well have been a different planet of an alien species is a different thing altogether.

    It seems far more plausible even upon simple consideration that the globally and greedily operating usual suspects that see all other humans as mere animals and teach their children likewise, as the originators of racial supremacism itself, are also behind de facto enslavement, no matter the “magic” narratives their history department guardians like to use for the psychological abuse and manipulation to cover up reality.

    I have come to an understanding that what we are all dealing with here, with them, is essentially a kind of pure bred psychopathic sub-species of human. Yes, one must consider that now after thousands of years of selective breeding in accordance with their supremacists ideology, that they in fact may be a separate sub-species of human, aka race. The efforts to detract from that and blend into the “white” population I suspect is intentional to obfuscate and distort their involvement, something also very much a characteristic of psychopathic people; that equal drive to exploit, control, manipulate, and feed a rotten lust for domination, but at the same time never wanting to be discovered for it and instead revel in the power and control in private. Just ask yourself, what if any relatively notable significance have they ever created themselves? There’s not a single thing over thousands of years of their existence among other cultures.

    No great cities, no great monuments, no great structures, no great art, nothing that is not a derivative or function of the culture they lived in and a creation segment of them viciously predated on no matter where they are… the rotten aspect that has always been their curse because they cannot even stop it, let alone talk about it. Someone of their community really should start talking about it, like a cry for help to save their people from the psychopathic nature that always ends up poorly in an inevitable reaction.

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  51. This would have been more powerful if you had reserved the Jewish Chinese slave labour angle for a future installment and simply debunked the relevant assertion that Chinese labourers brought it. It wasn’t really relevant to mention how and why the labourers arrived on the scene. The problem with bundling the slave story with the core story of the vaxx-or-pathogen origins is that it all starts to look like some Grand Unified Jewish Conspiracy theory and will be dismissed as that and sent down the memory hole much easier than if you had stuck to the vaxx angle alone, particularly in the vaxx-politicised environment we are currently in.

  52. Ugetit says:

    Very difficult forcing oneself to read past such a monument of crass ignorance. If you write on anything, a good idea is to acquire some of the rudiments.

    The original statement may not be much an example of monumentally crass ignorance since one of the risk factors for the disease is cigarette smoking, something that many young otherwise healthy folks used to engage in heavily. When I was in the military, there were even cigarettes in the C rations.


    Disclaimer: I do not consider myself knowledgeable on the subject. Just tossing in my two bits is all.

  53. nice how you brought the jews into this…as always the destroyers!

    that’s a remarkable effort.

    what I didn’t see, was how the demons came about having a” vaccine”, and how it was made.

    these demons had a rudimentary understanding of our immune systems at best.

    the Rockefeller group because it was a redschield agent in the west used all kinds of nefarious shit to “attenuate” the goyeeem.

    the cell cultures could have been almost anything, mouse brain tissue ground up in a potent and injected into your veins!? check out later rockefeller yellow fever vax and polio vax…its a history of destruction.

    right now our genome is tainted with pure demonic shit…because oligarchs want control.

    a commenter above outlined how they tried to infect people with the “virus” or “bacteria” and it was unsuccessful, not because it was gone by then but because there is no such thing as “virus”

    there are pathogens your genome deals with separately and individually if your TERRAIN is able to.


    now “modern scientisimists” are injecting protein bots into your systems and asking your terrain to object to the growth of intruders.

    forever injecting shit into your God given systems because man knows best…always fighting against God…

    thanks jews!

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  54. @Ugetit

    God has hardened the hearts of many, they cannot see or hear the truth before them.

    they choose to not heed the warnings and signs.

    John 12:40
    “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn—and I would heal them.”

  55. @Larry Romanoff

    Just a minor comment related to the subject of slave trade to and in US and the idea of reperations:

    Some of the slave trading families are still around and very wealthy. Any reperations have to come from. the estates of these families.

    Please make sure: when ever and where ever you encounter anyone arguing and pushing for reperation, insist that “we have the records of which families and individuals profited from slave trade: their descendents need to cough up the reperations, not the general public.”

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  56. Garliv says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Horrifying to say the least. “70 to 90 million dead!?” And somehow in the mainstream historical sources it is as if nothing ever happened. How do these people manage to keep under wrap all these evils..

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  57. Ugetit says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    One method of doing this is to suddenly reclassify slave trading as indentured employment. … And yes, in England and Ireland white slaves were indeed “taken off the street” by Jewish slave traders and shipped to the New World.


    “America was a low wage country-or at least certain American industries were carried on with low wages, or rather with low labour costs. How was that done? It was done thus. The labour market was supplied either by African slaves or by white indentured labourers-by criminals shipped out there and compelled to work for the term of their sentence without wages, or, should the supply of criminals run short, by wretches kidnapped in the London streets by creatures of the capitalists known as .. spirits”, hustled on board a ship and then compelled in America to earn their freedom by a service of from five to seven years on an estate!…It was because of the cheapness of its labour that America was able to attract English capital.

    – Christopher Hollis, “The Two Nations, A Financial Study of English History” (1937)’ pg 60.

    Thus, previous to the year 1665, the English invaders of Long Island attacked New Amstel on South River. Many of the Dutch colonists they sold as slaves in Virginia.^ Other convicts guilty of no moral transgressions came from other colonies. Thus, the General Court in Boston ordained that Quakers who had not wherewithal to pay their fines (and they were enormous) should be sold for bondmen or bondwomen to Barbadoes, Virginia, or any of the English plantations.* After the Mar and Derwentwater rising, in 1716, two shiploads of defeated Jacobites, “out of His Majesty’s abundant clemency,” were deported … and were sold in Maryland.

    – by James D. Butler, British Convicts shipped to American Colonies
    The American Historical Review, October 1896, pp. 12-33

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  58. Thank you for the article. I have read articles on the Spanish flu that in passing referred to the Rockefeller Foundation and the US Army involvement. Did not know anything about the Chinese slaves’ unwitting involvement as carriers. For the record all indentured servants were sold into a form of slavery. By all accounts the temporary nature of indentured slavery led to far brutal treatment than the ownership version.

  59. Walter says:

    My grandfather was a Captain, with his two brothers, also Captains, in the Medical Corps at Ft Riley in 1918-19. I have some of his letters home. They didn’t get sick.

    What they noted and what’s generally not spoken of, is the very poor state of sanitation and living conditions then considered “normal” @ Ft Riley and generally in military establishments at that time.

    I can also say that my parents lived through the “Spanish flu” – and so did a great grandfather or 2.

    My overall impression is that poor sanitation as well as misfortune in vaccine experiments – circumstance – made a terrible result.

    In the matter of vaccine for CV… Think about the Lies. Who can say how the vaccinated will respond to, say, smallpox?

    My doctor opined that CV came from a BSL4lab. It’s downgraded to “flu” see ( ) The same BSL4 labs have entire vast inventories of diabolical germs… What’s the unspeakable conclusion?

    The self-evident deduction is that the “virus” is not a genuine pandemic and not really very serious and is in reality a classic “ringer” in a confidence racket.

    The creation of consent via locking everybody up and keeping them terrified and obedient and willing to submit to injections of whatever “they” say it is… That’s the presumed goal…

    Leading to…

    Quiz Friday.

    • Replies: @Alden
  60. @Garliv

    Jesus. It is because the belief that Jewish Jesus was Messiah for all of us.

  61. Getaclue says:

    A German actually sued to be treated like the Japanese were in compensation since he was interned also — SCT. Justice RBG at the District level ruled there should be discrimination against YTs and they get nothing because they are YT and not some other Race…– look it up, few know about this Court Decision but it is there — other Jews on the Bench with her ruled the same– legal discrimination against YTs aok in the USA….

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  62. Z-man says:

    Spain should ask for reparations’ for 1918 and the World should get reparations from China for 2020!

  63. @GeeBee

    Is it just me, or have I identified a major flaw in the writer’s analysis?

    You are correct in your analysis. However, you did make a mistake in attribution. The passage you quote is not mine. It is taken from footnote [9] Public Health Rep. 2010; 125(Suppl 3): 82–91. The U.S. Military and the Influenza Pandemic of 1918–1919; Carol R. Byerly, PhD

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  64. @pete prisco

    forever injecting shit into your God given systems because man knows best…always fighting against God…

    thanks jews!

    And thank you for God, too. Especially at this time of year.

  65. @Ugetit

    The American civil war was fought to end private ownership of another human. Government ownership was never at question. The military draft, instituted whenever it is politically acceptable for the reelection of congressmen, is proof. We belong, lock, stock, and barrel, to the government.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  66. Walter says:

    In re germ war in ww1, Chad Millman (“The Detonators”) relates a German bioweapons development effort running in the US during WW1.

    see The Detonators: The Secret Plot to Destroy America and an Epic Hunt for Justice

    Again the UK has downgraded the CV19 “pandemic” to seasonal flu

    The “pandemic” is not a pandemic. It’s a nasty ringer in a con job of vast proportion.

  67. Ugetit says:

    What happened was that the International Jews had infiltrated themselves so thoroughly into China that they controlled Chiang Kai-Shek and more importantly Harvard-educated T. V. Soong …

    Speaking of infiltration, let’s not forget Mao’s buddy, Sidney Rittenberg, the Commie goon who had a “change of heart.” Too late, I guess for the millions he helped murder.

    After joining the Chinese Communist Party in 1946, [Sidney Rittenberg] used his linguistic skills to translate dispatches and communiqués for the country’s news agencies and the party’s propaganda machine, enthusiastically spreading the regime’s message. A fully committed Maoist, he embraced the Chairman’s view that some violence was inevitable as a revolution – “can’t be civilized, gracious or gentle”.

    Released in 1977, Rittenberg was again restored to a comfortable life but something in him had shifted: he had stopped being a believer [in Communism].

  68. Walter says:

    a bit about ww 1 US based germ war effort of saboteurs working with the Germans

    excerpt >

    “Taking care to avoid the night watchmen, he went to the first mule corral. Then he jabbed the needles into the hides of as many mules that he could reach. After jabbing many horses in two pens, he dumped the rest of the liquid in the animal’s water basins and food troughs and threw the gloves and syringes into the river.

    During 1915–1916, thousands of horses and mules were killed in these horse pens. The yellow liquid, which carried the glanders bacteria, had been cooked up in what was known as “Tony’s Lab” by an American-born German agent named Anton Dilger.”

    Since the UNZ article mentions horses…

  69. JimDandy says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Any easily-accessible proof of this you could direct me towards?

  70. My reading of the aftermath is that both the Rockefeller Institute and the US military (after conducting their thousands of autopsies) fully realised what had happened and, in humanly-understandable terms in the face of the calamity they had inadvertently unleashed, decided the most prudent course was to bury the truth rather than face the recriminations

    And so goes the entire history of the voo doo practice of vaccination. Do you think the think tanks and US Military learned from the past mistakes of the experimental meningitis vaccination disaster of 1918? Have they since mended their disastrous ways? That answer is of course a big fat no . The question now has to be why are these experimental vaccination programs still carried out and why are soldiers always used as the first human guinea pigs to take the jab. There can be no denying unimaginable waves of profit for a certain few corporations is the key motive. Again, the soldiers are viewed as a huge source of disposable lab rats. The same soldiers who will have absolutely no recourse because upon enlistment they signed away their constitutional rights and literally became property of the US Government(which itself is a corporation, and not a defender of our supposed constitutional Republic).

    I know the “war on terra” is now no more than ancient history, but it is was used as the excuse in the last “experimental” mass vaccination disaster perpetrated upon the US military. The experimental Anthrax vaccine was forced upon our soldiers, again with disastrous effects, and again covered up by the government, the media, the medical establishment, and the high ups in the military itself. Let’s take a short trip back in time and have a look at this disastrous vaccine and it’s link to “Gulf War Syndrome”. I urge all to view this video in its entirety.

    Video Link

    So once again our military is to be used as human guinea pigs in the latest(and perhaps deadliest yet) “experimental” vaccine roll out due to a cold virus and the “dis-ease” it causes, which by the way has a survivability rate of over 99% for those 65 and under. The vaccines of choice for the US military will be the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines.
    These mRNA types have been around for decades but have never been rolled out on the massive level we are about to experience. There have been no long term studies on the possible side effects from a vaccine which “uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”
    Take the mRNA jab and you have basically become a “genetically modified organism”. Can this really be a good idea? Again it will be the US military who will be some of the first to find out.

    • Thanks: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @Iva
    , @Iva
  71. Skeptikal says:

    An introduction to the role of the Baghdadi Jews in the opium trade, the Opium Wars, and also in other industries pursued under the rule of the British East India Company is available (surprisingly!) on Wikipedia. Most prominent was the Sassoon family.

    A disappointing feature of William Dalrymple’s book on the BEIC is that he makes virtually no mention of the Baghdadi Jews and their role in the Opium Wars, whereby China was brought to its knees. It is a miracle that any Chinese person even talks to any Jew or English person today!!

    I would welcome some documentation of the material on Jews, slave trading, and esp. indentured servitude. I thought that indentured servitude meant that one was free after some years of labor. Say, seven. In Virginia, etc. but also in the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

    I understand that the system of race-based life-long slavery in, say, Virginia was a later introduction.

  72. @anon

    Bacillus refers to bacteria. In 1918, it was not yet known that influenzas were caused by a virus. As such, there was enormous effort devoted to discovery of a bacterial cause of the epidemic.

    Without an elementary understanding of the development of microbiology, the topic is incomprehensible.

    Thanks for pointing this out. That Mr. Romanoff seems to be unaware of this suggests that he is not as informed on this topic as he seems to think he is.

  73. @Rocha

    Astonishingly ignorant troll!

    • Replies: @Rocha
  74. Skeptikal says:

    Whatever the merits of the historical facts, the contention that they were *immune* from exposure is herd immunity, right?

    So let’s aim for similar herd immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

  75. anarchyst says:

    Most deaths from the “1918 flu pandemic” were a result of wearing masks. Breathing in ones own respirations continuously without free exhalation will cause respiratory problems.
    Most deaths were a result of bacterial pneumonia, NOT the flu itself. Those who did not wear masks were tasked with burying those who did.
    How long will we allow the present mask charade to go on??

  76. Ugetit says:

    The American civil war was fought to end private ownership of another human.

    That’s the standard story, but as usual, there’s good evidence that it’s B.S.; nothing more than a high sounding pretext for slaughter and theft.

    You are correct that we belong to the government, but we also need to understand that the government belongs to a tiny, greedy, usurious, gang of tribal bureaucrats.

    Regarding chattel slavery and it’s replacement by wage, tax, and debt slavery, read Tolstoy’s “The Slavery of Our Times.

    “The chief thing is that the present arrangement of life is bad; about that all are agreed. The cause of the bad conditions and of the existing slavery lies in the violence used by governments.”

    Tolstoy, Slavery of Our Times, CHAPTER XV. WHAT SHOULD EACH MAN DO?

    Here’s Spooner on the topic,

    And now these lenders of blood-money demand their pay; and the government, so called, becomes their tool, their servile, slavish, villanous tool, to extort it from the labor of the enslaved people both of the North and the South. It is to be extorted by every form of direct, and indirect, and unequal taxation. Not only the nominal debt and interest—enormous as the latter was—are to be paid in full; but these holders of the debt are to be paid still further—and perhaps doubly, triply, or quadruply paid—by such tariffs on imports as will enable our home manufacturers to realize enormous prices for their commodities; also by such monopolies in banking as will enable them to keep control of, and thus enslave and plunder, the industry and trade of the great body of the Northern people themselves. In short, the industrial and commercial slavery of the great body of the people, North and South, black and white, is the price which these lenders of blood money demand, and insist upon, and are determined to secure, in return for the money lent for the war.

    No Treason (1870) by Lysander Spooner
    No. VI. The Constitution of no Authority.

  77. GeeBee says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Many thanks. I realised of course that you were quoting another, but this is how we writers operate: we do the research and then invoke those items that we have analysed in coming to our conclusions as the research nears its end (not that it ever does reach the end). I therefore took it to mean that you were of one accord with this particular source.

    I must therefore ask, what is your opinion (for it appears unclear to me) regarding the appalling ‘Spanish flu’? Was it a virus that roared through much of Europe (albeit an American-born virus), or was the main source experimental vaccine? If the latter, as I said in my original post, it takes some believing that so many tens of millions somehow were vaccinated, and thus contracted a very malignant bacterium from the vaccine.

  78. Tom67 says:

    I am really amazed at the non existent level of quality control at Unz. The Spanish flu has been a mystery for many decades. That changed when graves of miners who had died in the Svalbard Island during the Spanish were dug up at the beginning of the 21st century. As they had been buried in permafrost they were so well preserved that it was possible to isolate the virus that had caused the disease. It was such a sensation that there´s a plethory of scientific articles about it. I am to lazy to post any links. Just put Svalbard in and Spanish flu. And it is not Rockefeller propaganda. Unless you presume that all major scientific journals of the West have been bought up.
    Apart from that the Spanish flu is mostly remembered in lucky countries like the US. In Russia and Germany death from starvation, war and civil war took such a toll among the civilian population that the Spanish flu – although deadly and of course noted – was almost an afterthought.
    I understand that Unz needs to court the Chinese and it is certainly not wrong to present a Chinese point of view which is often sorely lacking – but this is crazy.

    • Agree: utu, Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  79. skrik says:

    unless an infectious agency were responsible

    Same one-word response as I deployed previously: “Der.” Of course there was some infectious agent; following @Digital Samizdat and @Larry Romanoff, we now know that it may well have been some sort of a *virus*, and just as with SARS-CoV-2, such viral infections often end up in pneumonia = an opportunistic *bacterial* infection, so it’s quite possible to say ‘death was not [directly] due to the virus,’ but here, the big Q: What was the proximate cause? Given the article, can you agree that the cause of the 1918 ‘Spanish’ flu pandemic actually was the Fort Riley/Rockefeller Institute meningitis vaccine release, possibly with ‘unexpected’ complications? Recall at this point, that we don’t much like ‘coincidences,’ i.e. ‘b’ followed ‘a’, and no [extraneous] ‘c’ should apply. Note that the same logic applies to SARS-CoV-2/Covid-19, many people are dying, possibly not *directly* due to SARS-CoV-2, but would they have died in its absence? Interesting concept: Proximate cause. I have theorised that when the Chinese decoded the PRRA insertion, they realised that they were under attack. I thank Larry for bringing us closer to the same sort of ‘penny-drop.’ rgds

  80. nsa says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    “No well developed theory of viruses existed in 1918…….”
    This is one of the central themes of historian John Barry’s carefully researched The Great Influenza. Most the medical authorities at the time decided the cause was a pneumonia bacillus which later turned out to be an opportunistic secondary infection. He details how the disease first appeared in Haskell County, Kansas, and then was knowingly spread around the world by Woodie Wilson’s cherished war effort. He also details how decades later victims buried in Alaska’s frozen earth were exhumed, revealing the cause of the 1918 pandemic to be a virulent variation of the H1N1 virus. However, why confuse the Unz commentariat with logic and fact based ideas? It’s so much more fun to blame the 1918 pandemic on chink coolies and yid dope peddlers.

    • Replies: @Alden
  81. Covid-19 aka certification of vaccination identification -19 is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and the vaccinations are the kill shot to depopulate the planet and all of this is driven by the Rockefeller Foundation , the Bill andMelinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum, the WHO, UN Agenda 2030, the CDC, etc., etc..

    These are some evil satanic bastards.

    • Agree: Marco de Wit
  82. Alden says:

    It’s not a flaw. It makes perfect sense. And goes along with the conventional wisdom that the Spanish flu traveled from army bases in Kansas USA to Europe and all over the world as colonial troops went home to Africa Indo China India the Mid East.

    There’s a book With The Chinks. Written in the 1920s by a British army colonel. He recruited a force of about 100K Chinese and brought them to Europe. I read it.

    According to him, the Chinese were paid soldiers recruited in the standard way as foreign mercenary troops. Similar to the American Lafayette Escadrille and ambulance driver medics who enlisted in the WW1 French army. Or any mercenaries in the world. That’s how Henry 7 Tudor became King of England, paid mercenaries from all over NW Europe

    Author praised his Chinese troops. They were recruited, not kidnapped. And paid an enlistment bonus, again a standard recruitment thing in all armies. They went through standard basic training and combat training physical fitness training etc in China. They were armed. That’s standard in all armies. Fighters and builder / workers.

    Not all that different from the American military SeaBees and army corps of engineers. Most S American armies function similarly to the American Army corps of engineers ; very useful in building and repairing infrastructure. Put all those young men to useful work at low army pay.

    Some soldiers fight. Some soldiers cook. Some soldiers deliver supplies. Some load and unload the supplies. Some are armorers, very important, can’t fight without weapons. Some are clerks. It’s semantics. This author sneers at them as kidnapped slaves. Their Colonel praised them as excellent support troops. Well, he would, wouldn’t he? They were his troops. Even in the 1960s the American troops in Europe were about 25% combat 75% support. Probably more now.

    With The Chinks YRL library UCLA 1140o Le Conte La Ca 90024

  83. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for the reminder about Glanders! The fix is in for granny glanders now. CIA mad scientist Daszak is installed to cover up illegal US development and use of his banned biological weapon COVID-19

  84. Sparkon says:

    Say what?

    There is no question that many of the victims of the Spanish Flu Pandemic were young, healthy adults, which you would have learned had you read even the first two paragraphs of the Wikipedia article:

    Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with a higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu pandemic resulted in a higher-than-expected mortality rate for young adults.


    The pandemic mostly killed young adults. In 1918–1919, 99% of pandemic influenza deaths in the U.S. occurred in people under 65, and nearly half of deaths were in young adults 20 to 40 years old

    [my bold]

    Like many commenters at UR, you engage in reckless exaggeration, while playing fast and loose with the facts. Now you’ve displayed your own hypocrisy, as well as lack of knowledge about the Spanish Flu, by running your keyboard about “crass ignorance,” without doing any basic fact checking yourself.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @joe2.5
  85. @Beavertales

    A vast portion of the population in Canada in the late 1800s was composed of immigrants. Why wouldn’t the Chinese want to stay, like any other people? Pretty much every major point in this Romanoff’s articles is either made up from whole cloth, or exaggerated or out of context. The idea that there were mass executions conducted against Chinese labour in Canada has no basis whatsoever in historical evidence. Not even a suggestion of something akin to this exists.

  86. @Sparkon

    Do you believe that what bacterial pneumonia “does” is attack healthy people in their prime?

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  87. Alden says:

    There are many records of US WW1 army medical corps lobbying, begging, ranting that the the army build barracks before drafting soldiers. The medics felt the draft should have been suspended until sufficient barracks were built with enough room to spread out the bunks.

    The soldiers kept arriving. The quartermasters just shoved more and more bunks into the existing barracks till there was no room at all between bunks. The soldiers had to get in and out of bed from the ends, not the sides of the bunks. It was easier to build sufficient outhouses. But still sanitation was terrible.

    I believe thousands of American civil war soldiers on both sides died of measles. It’s not a benign disease. Or why the anti vaxxers are idiots.

    Armies were always carriers of diseases. Thanks to White man Louis Pasteur the medics were aware of germs bacteria and the importance of sanitation. Death by combat wounds or death by typhus measles diphtheria or other contagious disease, what’s the difference?

    WW1 was the first war in which there were more deaths by combat wounds than diseases spread in the camps and bases..

    Henry 7 th’s foreign mercenaries brought the dreaded sweating disease to Britain. On the continent it was considered a disease bred in jails and prisons from whence the mercenaries were recruited.

    • Replies: @Walter
    , @The Real World
  88. @anarchyst

    masks and vitamin d deficiencies! along with fear mongering as a weapon!

    the best “cure” was rolling patients out into the sun and taking masks off…breathing unpolluted air!

  89. Skeptikal says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Rockefeller the First was definitely some kind of psychopath.

    This conclusion is inescapable if one reads the section, in Josephson, The Robber Barons, on the Rockefeller combine and Rockefeller’s statements concerning his aims and his means to *control* all facets of the oil and rail industries and to destroy all competitors. He achieved these ends by means of secret conspiracies, so named at the time.

    Just one little gem, picked out at random: “John D. Rockefeller said that he wanted in his organization ‘only the big ones, those who have already proved they can do a big business. As for the others, unfortunately they will have to die’ ” (280).

    Another: “Every day [the members of the Standard Oil Trust, headed by JDR] lunched together. . . . These . . . were the leaders who carried on their industrial operations throughout the world like a bank of conspiratorial revolutionists. . . . Always their profits mounted to grotesque figures” (278–29).

    JDR originated and perfected the concept of the combine, monopoly, “trusts,” and all the rest of the command and control economy as practiced by the arch-capitalist.

    JDR convened a club of similarly inclined psychopaths, whose gods, or obsessions, were money and total control, not only of their own branch(es) of industry but of the earth.

    In my mind there every reason to assume that the megalomaniacal JDR and his heirs aspired to transfer these and other newer command and control technique to the whole world.

    Thus, when people demand to know who are the “executors” of the Great Reset and other total control plans, I think it is reasonable to look first for possible answers at the Rockefeller legacy in the contemporary world. To term such thinking “conspiracy theory” is really stupid, because the Rockefeller MO and belief system is right there in plain sight screaming from the historical record.

    • Agree: JasonT
  90. Alden says:

    I read The Great Influenza too. The flue first appeared in 1913-14 in Haskell County Kansas. Lucky Haskell was a very rural county , spread out isolated farms . Haskell County Kansas is directly under a major flight path that migratory birds use to travel from China. And spread Chinese diseases all over the world.

    Stupid to assign blame. China because birds winter in S China and fly over the world? Wilson because the disease worsened in over crowded barracks in Kansas but not any other American state? The British and French governments that lobbied our government to enter the war? Zionist Sam Untermeyer who blackmailed Wilson into entering the war? . The mother of Wilson’s illegitimate child; the reason for the black mail? American newspapers always looking for sensationalist headlines?

  91. Schuetze says:

    One of the reasons I am convinced that organized, communist jewry were behind the “spanish flu” was the way the second wave reached its climax precisely as Germany agreed to the armistice.

    Of course the Ludendorf offensive was also severely impacted by this Rockefeller plandemic, but it was the waves of communist revolutions sweeping over Europe at the exact time that police and local forces were debilitated by this “jew-flu” that really are suspect.

    In Germany, the Spartacus uprising and the Bavarian Soviet Republic were formed almost perfectly synchronized with the second wave of the “Spanish Flu”. In Hungary, Bela Kuhn was seizing power and exterminating all his opposition. In Russia, the Bolscheviks were rooting out all opposition. In neutral Spain, King Carlos became infencted and the country began its descent towards civil war as the communists jumped on this miraculous opportunity. Even in neutral Switzerland the military and police forces were decimated by the flu, and the communists were almost able to seize power. Really, these strangely synchronized international “waves” of Spanish flu closely mirror the waves of Covid 19 sweeping across any country that dares to defy the great reset.

    Another piece of this talmudic anti-goyim pandemic puzzle is a recent article by the Globocap New York Fed, where the (((author))) claims that the Spanish Flu lead to Fascism:

    Pandemics Change Cities: Municipal Spending and Voter Extremism in Germany, 1918-1933

    A shorter synopsis is available in various newspapers:

    ““The deaths brought about by the influenza pandemic of 1918-1920 profoundly shaped German society going forward,” Blickle wrote in the paper.

    The findings come amid concerns about a rise in anti-Semitic abuse fueled by the coronavirus pandemic. The Anti-Defamation League has reported a spike in rhetoric falsely accusing Jewish people or Israel of manufacturing or spreading the virus to maintain control over the world.

    Jews were similarly blamed for the bubonic plague in the 14th century — a smear that may have helped the Nazis in the 20th century. The Fed researchers found a stronger correlation between flu deaths and right-wing extremist voting “in regions that had historically blamed minorities, particularly Jews, for medieval plagues,” Blickle wrote.”

    In Germany vaccine and mask deniers are openly being called Nazis. Jews are researching the Spanish Flu and claiming that deniers are Nazis. The talmudic fingerprints all over these “pandemics” are undeniable.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @Robjil
  92. @GeeBee

    My conclusion from the research is that it was a bacterial infection that downed everyone, as indicated by the autopsies and resultant reports. The facts suggest strongly that it began accidentally with the vaccination program but those then infected were capable of infecting many others without the need for further vaccinations. I was rather surprised to read the CDC script claiming it was an H1N1 ‘bird flu’ and ignoring all other research and data.

    And, as I wrote elsewhere, the mere fact that Reuters performed a “fact-check” on the pandemic beginning at Fort Riley, and found it false, is sufficient to arouse much suspicion because no MSM or government authority perform a ‘fact-check’ on anything unless they’re afraid.

    • Thanks: atlantis_dweller
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  93. lysias says:

    At the time of World War One, Chiang and T.V. Soong had not yet come to power in China.

  94. lysias says:

    If the epidemic was all a result of vaccinating the U.S. Army, I imagine the disease would have spread later to the Central Powers. Any evidence of that? I know the Spanish Flu eventually hit Germany and Austria hard.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  95. Walter says:

    I knew my grandfather who attended Ft Riley. He said much the same thing. Overcrowding, sanitation, and so forth. People went unwashed. He often said that “Soap and hot water are the best medicine.” They still are.

    I might add that in the 1950 emergency build-up for Korea conditions for the drafted were terrible – guys froze to death in the Texas winter, sleeping in mud under “shelter-halfs”.

    And epidemics of gastroenteritis in the WW2 US army in Europe generally traced to latrines and the mess kit. My source was an officer in that campaign. His cure was 2 minute in boiling water for the mess kit before you got chow. An officer stood by each cauldron with a watch.

    The cure was and is good sanitation, sunshine, good diet, and so on.

    • Agree: Alden
  96. Walter says:

    I found this on masks

    “coleman Proof That Face Masks Do More HarmThan Good”

    For myself, it’s a nice gesture, and I doubt it’s much else…mostly a symbol of obedience.

  97. joe2.5 says:

    no question that many of the victims of the Spanish Flu Pandemic were young, healthy adults

    No question at all. Correct (while those with risk factors experienced much worse morbidity and mortality.)

    That’s not what Romanoff wrote and was taken up on.
    A good idea is to read carefully the actual words before exploding.

  98. Skeptikal says:

    What is SCT?
    What is YT?

    • Replies: @AnonHandle
  99. geokat62 says:

    … and here I thought that Sweden was one of the few countries that eschewed lockdowns

    Excerpt from, Europe’s coronavirus crisis is resurging. For months, 3 Nordic nations kept it under control — without lockdowns:

    Finland had Europe’s lowest average of infections and deaths per capita in recent months, Johns Hopkins data shows. It managed to contain local outbreaks while sticking to some of the most relaxed restrictions on the continent. Internal movement was not restricted, those who needed to could attend school and workplaces in person, and mask-wearing was not mandatory.

  100. Rocha says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    You are the one that is astonishingly stupid and ignorant! Viruses HAVE NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO CAUSE ANY ILLNESS WHATSOEVER!
    See Stefan Lanka and Andrew Kaufman.

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  101. Iva says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Jews have a long history of taking slaves. Lets not forget Jews rounding up young Slavic girls and boys ( boyes were later castrated ) and sold to muslims as slaves. 

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  102. @Alden

    Or why the anti vaxxers are idiots.

    They aren’t idiots. It is not a black and white issue and those who approach it that way are the problem. Not surprisingly, some people exert caution before allowing disinterested parties to inject their bodies. You can’t undo what is injected. How that simple concept escapes some people is beyond me.

    Have a look around these pages and do note that they have all been edited as of Dec 2020. Actually, they started doing so in the Fall because I looked. They’ve stripped away the prior info where they described how much money has been paid by the US Govt to parties injured by vaccines since 1988. Now, why would they remove that relevant info? Facetious question…

    Here it is: More than 6,000 people have been paid in excess of \$3.9 billion (combined) since the Program’s 1988 inception. Second paragraph:
    I figure some of those people (of those that survived) would give up a precious sum of money or an eyeball to be able to dial the clock back and not take the vaccine that damaged them to such an epic degree.

    Lastly, here’s some present day cause for concern.

    As always, caveat emptor.

    • Replies: @Alden
  103. Iva says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    The sad thing about this is that the CEO of the company which makes the Anthrax vaccine knew that it would cause injuries and they vaccinated anyway. The CEO NEVER faced a criminal investigation , opposite, he got an even better, more paying job. SICK!!!!!!! When my friend came back from Iraq, he was told “you better do not have children”.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  104. Ugetit says:

    … the same opium Jews – Rothschild, Sassoon, Kadoorie, Hardoon, and friends, in the Taiping Rebellion.

    Rothschild, Sassoon, Kadoorie, Hardoon, and many more, were also responsible for kidnapping and transporting as slaves millions of Chinese from Fujian and Guangdong for at least 150 years – the reason we have Chinese all over the world.

    Any references for those claims? I’ve spent several hours today trying to find more info but have come up with nothing.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  105. @Schuetze

    check out the plum island bio weapons facility
    connection with Lyme disease.
    it was operating under the auspices of the rockefeller foundation
    as far as I’m aware.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  106. Schuetze says:

    You need to spend some time and learn how to use meta tags in search engines. For example a search on “Taiping Rebellion rothschild sassoon”” will return little. But a search on “Taiping Rebellion “rothschild” “sassoon”” with rothschild and sassoon in quotes forces the search engine to return on results that include “rothschild” “sassoon”. There are all kinds of meta tags you can use depending on what search engine you use (never use google. duckduckgo or startpage are much more private). Often you can also force search engine to only return certain results by using a “+” in front of certain terms.

    When I ran this search:”rothschild”+”sassoon”

    I got a couple of hits right at the top:

    “The greatest drug kingpin in history was an Orthodox Jew …
    Search domain
    In Mumbai, David Sassoon did a Rothschild and sent his eight sons all over India Indo China and China He built the international business called David S. Sassoon, with the policy of staffing it with people brought from Baghdad. They filled the functions of the various branches of his business in India, Burma, Malaya, and east Asia.”


    Search domain


    “The Demonization of China by the Usual Suspects – Darkmoon
    Search domain
    In truth, the missionaries were sent to gather intelligence and to sow the seeds of revolution for the House of Rothschild. The Taiping Revolution 太平天国运动 (1850 to 1864) aka “Taiping Heavenly Kingdom Movement”, with an estimated 50-70 million dead and millions more displaced, was started by Hong Xiuquan, a Chinaman who believed …”

    • Thanks: R2b
  107. @Schuetze

    rockerfeller, plum island and lyme disease.

  108. Schuetze says:
    @kokor Hekkus

    Thanks! I had forgotten about Lyme disease even though I have suffered severely from it for a couple of years. I had to take (I believe it was) strong doses of Anthromyacin for 2 weeks IIRC. I have also had colleagues who have suffered immensly from this bio-weapon.

    Revised list:

    Bubonic Plague — 50%
    Spanish Flu — 70%
    1945 plan to kill 6 million Germans — 100%
    Operation Sea Spray on San Francisco 1950 — 80%
    MKUltra LSD dispersal in Koolaid across the US — 80%
    Lyme disease — 70%
    AIDS — 50%
    CV19 — 80%

    • Replies: @Walter
  109. Robjil says:

    The Fed researchers found a stronger correlation between flu deaths and right-wing extremist voting “in regions that had historically blamed minorities, particularly Jews, for medieval plagues,” Blickle wrote.”

    Poland was the center of European Jewry in the 1300s. Poland was largely spared of the plague. This could be the reason some thought that Jews may have been involved in spreading the plague in the rest of Europe.

    1266 – Was criticized by the Church for allowing Jews to live without restrictions in Poland.

    1348 – Poland not affected by the Great Plague (Black Death), because most of population lived on farms.

    Dr. Guzowski notes, “Analyses of peat bog cores also provided surprising information on the Black Death, the plague epidemic that took a deadly toll in Europe in the mid-14th century. There is a debate among researchers as to whether the plague also reached Poland.

    “In the cores we have analysed so far, no significant decreases in the share of pollen of cereals, weeds or other plants related to human activity are recorded, which means that there was no depopulation.”

    • Replies: @Walter
  110. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    With all the bad and contradicting “science” that’s coming out from supposedly elite institutions these days about Covid, one would think that the knowledge of medicine hasn’t changed that much from 1918. First, don’t wear masks, then, wear masks, close all restaurants, then it’s ok to dine in but you must wear a face mask until they seat you, then you can take it off when you’re seated, but if you go to the restroom you must put it on again. In some places, restaurants are open but not casinos, in others restaurants are closed but casinos are open. Some people are so scared of covid that they even wear as mask when they’re hiking through the forest, only lowering the mask off to smoke a cigarette. The other day, I literally saw an oriental man smoking a cigarette through a hole in his covid mask! I’m really impressed with people sitting alone in their car with all the windows closed wearing a covid mask, usually orientals. The media who are staffed by imbeciles, are turning everyone into imbeciles.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Godfree Roberts
  111. Iva says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    And this was Bill Clinton ORDER to poisen service people. Horrible !!!!!!

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  112. BertaR says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    The human beings labeling is the first clue in denial. Human being is an energy to live in the earth experience. China was not totally destroyed via Opium Wars, however the Houses of Rothschild, Et Al are not going to continue in their Metzitzah B’peh cult since the www is a transparancy which can’t be dimmed.

    Great Greater Greatness Larry Romanoff, thank you for the courage to expose wholly the tap root rot!

  113. @Mark Tapley

    another factor is that at this time the new drug aspirin had come on the scene and anyone that was ill was liable to be given such a massive dose as to be lethal.

    It’s been argued elsewhere, in fact, that those overdoses of aspirin were the main cause of the pandemic mortality. Without necessarily ascribing to that theory, its possibility would perhaps need to be addressed before Larry’s vaccination-gone-awry hypothesis is accepted.

    I say perhaps because that is how science should go, not how it actually goes. As he has so ably demonstrated, the actual practice is normally to suppress all theories alternative to the one being actively promoted. It’s an Orwellian instance of the rewriting of history to conform with the agenda of the powerful. Nothing is allowed to detract from their purported benevolence.

    Orwell was writing forbidden history.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Mark Tapley
  114. Walter says:

    In the Jewish households ritual and regular sanitation, especially requiring that every crumb of bread and mot of crud be removed in a rather heavy effort – this means that vermin and their germs are less likely to infect Jews.

    As to the idea that Jews spread the germs, well, I’ll pass…

    Except to say that the Jewish Eastern diaspora lived in terror. But yes, the density in Poland was high – suggesting that Jewish cultural influences helped eliminate the environmental conditions generally and overall prerequisite to the plague.

    The filthy hordes of poverty stricken goy lived in filth under fascist feudal conditions as near slaves, and as slaves. Naturally they died like…whatever.

    • Replies: @Alden
  115. Walter says:

    Add this too>

    Jeffery Kaye…absolute proof of germwar beginning January 1952 against Korea and China using “pardoned” Japanese germ boffins.

    Bigbig cia project… (and lots more…chase down the leads.)

    So, ok, when, precisely what day, did this covert germwar policy end?

    Quiz Friday.
    No pencils needed.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  116. You can’t be truthful and ‘burry‘ inconvenient information while at it [no pun intended].

    At least not in my book.

  117. @GeeBee

    You’re a writer? You don’t even seem to be a reader.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  118. Some Parsi (Freddie Mercury’s people in India) businessmen were involved in the opium trade with China. Being Persian in origin, they were a tiny minority in that great mass of people and were given very preferable treatment by the British overlords. Rudyard Kipling was a great fan of those fire worshippers.

  119. Kati_uk says:
    @The Real World

    Here a good read about Sassoons doings in east asia, gets you more information compared to white washed wiki which is written by the same massmedia controlling people.

    • Thanks: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @The Real World
  120. @Rocha

    Enlighten me:

    What causes (or rather caused Smallpox)?

    Why was Smallpox successfully eradicated by universally inoculating populations where Smallpox was endemic with a vaccine targeting what is considered to be the Smallpox virus?

    What causes Measles, Chickenpox, and Shingles?

    If not the viruses usually considered responsible for these diseases (except evidently by enlightened and erudite geniuses like you and Messrs. Lanka and Kaufman), then why do vaccines targeting these viruses prevent most inoculated persons from getting these diseases?

    You haven’t yet convinced me that you have even the vaguest clue what you are talking about.

  121. @Dumbo

    Most diseases (for obvious reasons) affect more the old or the sick. Bacterial pneumonia is no exception.

    You’ve stated an important principle of epidemiology. For a purported cause to fit the principle, it must have the same distributions and correlations as the disease or its mortality. A disease that predominantly affects the old cannot account for the predominantly young age of the victims in 1918 unless it is somehow confined to those young ages and not spread to the old by contagion.

    So for instance TB strikes quite young ages but it is, IIRC, not that contagious, spread by close contact rather than aerosols. Bacterial pneumonia, on the other hand, apparently affects the sick and elderly. In fact webmd says: “If you’re young and basically healthy, these bacteria can live in your throat without causing any trouble.” Nevertheless, the 1918 reports suggest that the pneumonia was particularly virulent. Presumably Larry could argue that the vaccinations induced a higher susceptibility to the pneumonia, if he can show that the vaccinations were widespread.

    The pandemic, however, affected the British, the French and the German armies equally, if I understand it correctly. It seems rather unlikely that the Rockefeller vaccine was being disseminated throughout the enemy’s army.

    Actually viral influenza has exactly the same age propensities and can only be taken as the cause of the 1918 pandemic if it assumed to be especially virulent, which is what the establishment has done, but for no good reason, I suspect. It just had to be virulent if it was the cause. Circular reasoning is endemic in science and medicine. Nor have they adequately explained how it was confined to the young. (Crowding and differential exposure to related viruses).

    The aspirin overdose theory has the advantage that those overdoses were in fact confined to the young soldiers who were ill. Aspirin was also known to the Germans of course and they would have known it was being used by the Americans to treat the disease. If so the ultimate cause of the massive mortality may be a highly infectious but rather innocuous disease together with much panic and hubris.

  122. JasonT says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    This is about smallpox from 2009. Download the pdf and read it for yourself.

    Here are some highlights:

    Page 12
    vaccination has “saved lives and diminished suffering under conditions which have prevailed in England and may prevail again,” but the use of vaccination is “not the sole, perhaps not the most important, factor in modifying the epidemiological history of smallpox during the last hundred years.”

    Page 17
    All that can fairly be said is that, in respect of evolution in time, no sharp distinction between epidemic smallpox in pre- and post-vaccination times can be established.

    Page 24
    It is not possible, on the basis taken, to differentiate between the course of the epidemic before and after the introduction of vaccination.

  123. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Why was Smallpox successfully eradicated by universally inoculating populations where Smallpox was endemic with a vaccine targeting what is considered to be the Smallpox virus?

    Vaccination gets credit where it is not due. The Smallpox outbreaks stopped when we built sewer systems and quit walking through streets with shit literally running through them.

    Smallpox continued to infect Europe’s population until plumbing infrastructure became commonplace. Although, sanitation ended this disease, the smallpox vaccine takes the credit.

    • Replies: @Alden
  124. lysias says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Why would young adults be more vulnerable to aspirin overdoses?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  125. Alden says:

    The extreme housecleaning of every crumb of bread and crud was only for Passover and a few other holidays.

    Most Jewish histories of the horrible treatment of Jews in Europe claim Jews died of plague more than the goyim.

    Plague, like malaria is a blood disease. No matter how clean or dirty the house and barns are, the only way to get Plague is to get bitten by a flea that bit a rat with plague who died and the flea jumped from flee to floor to human and bit human.

    Plague sick Rat————flea on rat drinks rats blood———rat dies———flea jumps off dead rat—————flea looks for new host-can be rat cat dog any animal including humans———flea jumps on human———-flea bites human————-human gets plague———-human dies————fleas look for new host.

  126. Alden says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Correlation, nothing to do with causation.

    Smallpox was mostly eradicated by vaccination in the Balkans Circassia Caucasus Turkey soon after it broke out in the early 1500s. Centuries before modern sanitation. No evidence of smallpox in Europe and Mid East before 1500 when sanitation was as bad or worse than it was in 1800.

    Anti vaccination free speech is as bad as shouting fire in a crowded theater.

  127. @Tom67

    As they had been buried in permafrost they were so well preserved that it was possible to isolate the virus that had caused the disease.

    OK, so I did just like you asked. I googled Svalbard and Spanish flu, but I didn’t quite find what you said I would. Instead of isolating the virus that had caused the disease, they only isolated DNA fragments from victims who had died from the disease. They did not prove those fragments had anything to do with causing the disease and while those fragments did appear to be parts of certain viral genes they found nothing there to account for the virulence of the pandemic:

    Researchers at a scientific meeting in London said this week that they have identified fragments of the long-sought virus in the brains and organs of six young men who died in October 1918 on Svalbard,

    the 1918 NA is very similar to the ancestor of all subsequent swine and human isolates

    Future research may reveal other single gene changes with a dramatic effect on virulence.

    Amino acid changes that correlate with high yield and pathogenicity in animal models were not found in the 1918 strain.
    The sequences of these genes, however, did not reveal features that could account for the virulence of the virus, although several hypotheses could be discounted. Explanations for the lethality of the virus might therefore lie in the other five viral gene segments.

    That’s only two research papers, of course. You may be aware of others, perhaps?

    • Agree: R2b
    • Replies: @Tom67
  128. Alden says:

    Horse stables are having a hard time and the price of horses is going down. People are so afraid of getting covid they’re not riding, not going to classes and or practicing for horse shows.

    Speaking of filth horses yuck.

  129. @Mark Tapley

    “Once the polio vaccine scam started they stopped reporting all of them as polio so that the vaccine appeared to work.”
    This is how they’re gonna do it this time, as well. By lowering the number of cycles to create false positive results with the PCR.
    Mullis, the PCR inventor, died of “pneumonia” on Aug. 7th, 2019. 3 days before Epstein died and one week after the CDC closed Ft. Detrick’s lab for “safety violations”.

  130. @Larry Romanoff

    it began accidentally with the vaccination program but those then infected were capable of infecting many others without the need for further vaccinations.

    I’m skeptical. Once you have the streptococcus escaping the program subjects, it will behave like any other infectious disease. Certainly for a while the most immediate contacts will be other soldiers, but very shortly it will move out into the regular population where the old and the frail are most at risk. At risk both of catching it and of dying from it. Not by just a bit, but by a lot. That should move it into the normal pattern very quickly.

    To be sure, I have read that much of the world was induced to go on a vaccination kick after WWI, much like we are about to go on one now. The scare was instilled by the disease and the vaccines were supposedly “the cure”. And there were a bunch of other experimental vaccines being pushed besides the one you noted. It’s quite likely they all used the same basic, flawed technology. So perhaps you just limited your vaccine scope a little too much.

    The objection applies equally to the establishment’s viral explanation, IMHO, which they try to save with a differential-immunity-by-age hypothesis. But not so much to the aspirin-overdose theory I have alluded to in other posts.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
    , @Alden
  131. sally says:

    I presume Mr. lloyd, that you would deny that it was not the same Jacob Schiff (Rothschild agent banker) who incited and financed the Japan vs Russian war in 1905 in preparation to overthrow the Christian Czar government. and that Tolstoy did not take 190 men with him from at the start of the Bolshevik revolution to man the important jobs in the Bolshevick revolutionary Government and it was the Jews that used the famine in 1890 to smear and blasphemy the Christian Czar government.,-lenin-volga-famine/ and it was not the same

    I would be a difficult to call you Mr. lloyd an ordinary troll. I have Chinese slave hand written notes explaining his experience as a slave. This writer of the notes i have was a slave first in California and next he died in during his slavery during the development of the Panama Canal that the Zionist built to stop and contain the economic progress Germany was making.around the world.

    WWI was planned to take from the Ottoman their empire because it beneath the Ottoman land lay the world’s supply of oil and because Germany from able to compete with the England, France, and the USA governed America. and the German industries had good and friendly relations with the Ottoman.

  132. @El Dato

    What’s this then

    Origin and evolution of the 1918 “Spanish” influenza virus hemagglutinin gene


    1918 Spanish influenza: The secrets remain elusive

    As implied in the title of this commentary, many of the biological properties of the 1918 pandemic virus remain to be revealed. Disease resulting from influenza virus infection is a complex condition that involves both viral and host gene products. The viral genes associated with pathogenicity vary from virus to virus, leading to the concept that pathogenicity is polygenic and depends on an optimal gene constellation (29, 30). The absence of polybasic amino acids at the cleavage site of the HA of the three 1918 samples examined by Reid et al. (6) precludes the contribution of this molecular region to the pathogenicity of the viruses, but what other regions of the HA are involved? Will the neuraminidase have the sequence required for binding plasminogen and sequestering it for plasmin activation of the HA, an activity that Goto and Kawaoka (31) recently showed to be responsible for the pathogenicity of A/WSN/33(H1N1)? Will specific domains on the NP, PB2, and M2 proteins be so unique that they can be associated with pathogenicity? Because we do not know the domains of these proteins that are associated with the host range and pathogenicity of the influenza viruses available for study, we must consider the possibility that biological properties determined by multiple gene segments may not be resolved. Thus, the entire gene sequence is unlikely to reveal the secrets of the high pathogenicity of the 1918 Spanish virus.

  133. @Digital Samizdat

    “or else with some other bug transported from horses to humans”
    Mustard gas was banned after the war. It probably helped create mutations.

  134. @Rufus Clyde

    Do you believe that what bacterial pneumonia “does” is attack healthy people in their prime?

    After 4 years of War, the population was NOT HEALTHY. Disrupted food production, stress, lack of high quality foods, malnutrition etc…made people susceptible. Fallacy to conclude the population was healthy.

    • Replies: @Alden
  135. Sean says:

    China locked down all domestic traffic internally by end January 2020 but insisted on other countries permitting flights from China while couldn’t fly from Wuhan to Bejing at this time. Taiwan knew the CCP for what they are, and completely distrusting the Chinese government or its poodle the WHO would tell Taiwan what they needed to know, began infectious disease checks on flights from mainland China on Jan 1st. Taiwan has has seven COVID-19 deaths in a population of 25 million. There is a moral in that somewhere.

  136. @lysias

    Why would young adults be more vulnerable to aspirin overdoses?

    It not the vulnerability at issue with aspirin, it’s who is given it, or allowed to have it. Remember how they stopped pharmacists from prescribing HCQ for Covid19 this past March on the alleged need to save it for arthritics.

    The priority in WWI was of course soldiers. There seemed to be a feeling you had to give mega-doses of aspirin to cure the deadly flu. It was a fairly new drug. Old people did not seem at risk and were not vital for the war effort so they would not have gotten the over-doses. Probably none at all.

  137. @anarchyst

    No one’s old enough to remember it. So, now they do it again. The timing of this scam has been planned for at least 20 years. CDC wrote the Model Emergency Health Powers act in 1999. Congress and GWB passed the Prepa act in 2005. They were nudged into passing it after Ivins or others at Ft. Detrick mailed Anthrax to congressional offices in late 2001.

  138. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Larry Romanoff

    The preponderance of evidence indicts those obsessed about whose DNA is “chosen.” For decades they have been working on ethnic bioweapons: Also from the tribe that brought you “a new Pearl Harbor”: “advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. And they are still at this game:

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  139. Khecari says:

    You guys should really read about german new medicine. Ryke Geerd Hamer is the name of the doctor.
    It mostly ditches away all this virus an bacteria mania. And also has a big jewish coverup story.

    Cool stuff!

    • Agree: R2b
  140. @Skeptikal

    Supreme Court. Whitey. (He did give you a clue, to be fair. )

  141. @Alden

    Correlation, nothing to do with causation.

    It’s amazing what you can prove with slipshod language. The correct principle is:

    Correlation does not prove causation while a lack of correlation may disprove causation.

    vaccination free speech is as bad as shouting fire in a crowded theater.

    Again the correct principle would be:

    vaccination free speech is as bad as falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater.

    Shouting fire in any theater that is catching fire is actually double plus unbad,

    But your worst fallacy is not understanding that sanitation, or the lack of, is a proxy for unknown things that cohabit with dirt. Cholera was unknown in Haiti before the 2010 earthquake despite bad sanitation. It appeared after 2010 when UN troops brought Vibrio cholerae into Haiti from Asia.

    • Replies: @Alden
  142. Al Liguori says: • Website

    Perhaps these leads will get you close.

    “Chabad, London Judaic Bankers and Opium dealers, Freemasonry and Zionism.”

    Be sure to pursue the embedded links exposing the satanic intrigues of Judaism in Asia spearheaded by the Sassoon family, “the Rothschilds of Asia.” For example: “Hong Kong, the Land Built on Opium” and “Sassoons use the British Army to Drug an Entire Nation.”

    • Thanks: Ugetit
    • Replies: @Ugetit
  143. Alden says:

    That was Europe and Turkey and its territories in the Mid East.

    Americans didn’t experience malnutrition and disruption due to the war. We were in it only one year. Spain Switzerland, the Scandinavian countries and South America weren’t in the war at all.

    Yet the flu swept those countries as badly as the battle grounds of Europe.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  144. Alden says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    What does cholera in Haiti in 2010 have to do with smallpox in Europe Turkey and its territories 1500-1900?

    More and more it’s my opinion that only certified Drs nurses and other certified medical professionals be allowed access to medical web sites.

    The SJW non profit do gooder buttinsky sector is very dangerous. Having destroyed our cities and schools with SJW foundations unemployed liberals have turned their ignorant buttinskism on medicine.

    70 years ago liberals desegregated the schools. 60 years ago civil rights for all but rights and aiding and abetting black on White crime.50 years ago affirmative action was the buttinsky liberal cause.

    Now the liberal buttinsky cause is destroying modern medicine.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @Ed Case
  145. @Kati_uk

    Do you realize how many parallels are in that piece from early-mid 1800s China to late 20th century thru today in America?

    The same playbook is being used!
    — England let their textile mills be moved away to India – losing many thousands of jobs. (We’ve done the same thing.)
    — The Sassoons and others destroyed a national population (China’s) by forcing serious, addictive drugs into use. When that country couldn’t fight back against it, they bent to their drug dealers will further ensuring their demise. (We’ve had the Sackler family get many Americans addicted and overdosing on painkillers. And now we have many drug laws being reduced or tossed out which will drug the nation moreso.)

    I could go on. Anyone reading that link should notice the parallels from that time versus this era in America.

    P.S. There’s no point in trashing Wiki. It’s a good starting place to begin research on something and is a quick format. Truth is elusive everywhere.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  146. @Peripatetic Itch

    I personally much appreciate your enlightened comments. My earlier reply to you might have been a bit too strong. I haven’t the medical background to evaluate the complexities, and should perhaps confine myself more rigorously to identifying the inconsistencies and anomalies in the official narrative (and confusion in some of the facts), and leave the analysis to those of specialized competence.

    I have no absolute certainty in my own mind as to the entire story of the 1918 pandemic, and it seems the entire framework has not yet been exposed. Even among the comments above, other anomalies have been introduced regarding some curiosities of the spread in Europe.

    It may be there is yet much more to this story, especially considering some of the deliberate misinformation that appears to be creeping out. In my experience, sudden attempts to ‘lay the blame’ on one party or another are often an indication of a pre-emptive move by the guilty party to deflect potential blame that shows signs of emerging. If I am successful in focusing public attention onto you as a thief, it may assist me in escaping detection of my theft. That may sound a bit paranoid but we have no shortage of good and true examples of this.

    Let’s wait and see. There may be much more to emerge from this initial effort.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  147. Alden says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Let’s bring back diphtheria scarlet fever small pox polio tetanus typhoid typhus as well as less deadly measles mumps and and pertussis.

    Let’s again enjoy 1 child dead before age 10 for every 5 live births. Let’s once again live in deadly fear every time a kid gets sick. Let’s do away with antibiotics as well. Some people might be allergic

    Sorry to see idiot liberals posting on UNZ.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  148. Alden says:
    @The Real World

    Repeat, anti vaxxers are liberal idiots. It’s just the latest liberal cause. The non profit cause sector is huge, probably bigger than the private sector. These non profit grifters and grubbers are always looking for new causes.

    1950s desegregate the schools 1960 civil rights for all but Whites 1970 affirmative action made it illegal to hire a White man. 1980s gay rights 1990 gay marriage 2010 transgenders.

    2015, anti vaccination by liberals who make a living with non profit grifting. It is just the latest liberal cause.

    Only idiots follow the trendy liberal causes. Might as well get a gender change

  149. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:

    Taiwan lied about/covered up its Covid data. This was likely in coordination with US intel and defense officials like Matt Pottinger. Officially, Taiwan had 7 deaths and 763 cases.

  150. @Tom Welsh

    I long for the day when each of us is simply be called “a global citizen” or simply “a human”!

    Cheers and thanks.

    • Agree: Syd Walker
  151. GeeBee says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Ah, it’s the Calgary curmudgeon again! I very much enjoyed Mefobills exposing you for the sophomoric twat that you clearly are. (And I still have you down as hasbara…)

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  152. @Sean

    … completely distrusting the Chinese government or its poodle the WHO …

    I don’t think international organizations like the WHO are poodles of China. There is another country they are poodles of. That country is not going to allow one of its poodles to become a poodle of China. Didn’t allow Australia to look a little like a poodle of China despite Australia needing China and not needing the said Shmueldybeest.

  153. @Alden

    Americans didn’t experience malnutrition and disruption due to the war. We were in it only one year.

    The US had an almost 2 year recession prior to WW1. Post WW1 the US had another steep 7 month recession. This quote taken from Wiki:

    “Severe hyperinflation in Europe took place over production in North America. This was a brief but very sharp recession and was caused by the end of wartime production, along with an influx of labor from returning troops. This, in turn, caused high unemployment.”

    In those days, no money meant low quality food. A few months with bad food can lower your immune system strength considerably. For the majority of people nutrition in general during that time probably wasn’t all that good. Anyway, some factors that supplement Larry’s “Spanish Flu” thesis.

  154. Schuetze says:

    “Correlation, nothing to do with causation.

    Anti vaccination free speech is as bad as shouting fire in a crowded theater.”

    The degree of cognitive dissonance in these two statements is breath taking. The determination of the “efficacy” of vaccination is purely a mater of mathematics and even more so statistics. If the fact that a vaccination is correlated with a person not becoming infected has “nothing to do with causation”, then of course all vaccines are pointless.

    Then she goes on to claim that vaccine deniers should be denied free speech because they are so stupid that they don’t believe that vaccines work without sufficient correlating evidence. Stunning.

    But then again Alden is a women, and we all know that the vast majority of women cannot do math, they only emote. This is why most women can’t code, cannot engineer, and cannot even doctor. So instead they end up as politicians, HR specialists, legal assistants and nurses.

    Clearly, allowing female nurses to visit MD sites is quite simply reckless unless they have degrees in Math or Statistics.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  155. Tom67 says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Sorry, Svalbard just came to mind. It is years ago, that I researched the Spanish flu in a historical context. There are also places in Alaska. Anyhow here is an article from the cdc website about the reconstruction of the virus.

    That is by the way very contentious as some accident might happen in a laboratory and we get a new pandemic. That is what I believe happened with Covid 19.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  156. @Larry Romanoff

    FDR’s (Roosenvelt) grandfather was the biggest opium dealer in Shanghai. Almost all of the old New England Aristocracy originated from either franchises with the Jew opium trade or the slave trade also dominated by Jews out of Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. Founders of Harvard and Brown Universities are examples.

    Heisman trophy winner Pat Tillman wrote home while deployed to instal “democracy” in Afghanistan that he was going to get out because he was really guarding poppy field. Those 5 bullets to the face solved the problem.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Ugetit
  157. @Tom Welsh

    Hardly any of the American negroes have any connection to Africa. They are very fortunate that because of the American slave system their long ago ancestors were sold by their own people, enabling them and their descendants to get out. As far as the American Indians, the big majority just ended up marrying in with the whites. The ancestors of my paternal grandmother (full blood Indian from McCurtain Co. Okla.) are a typical example.

    All this racial crap has been dragged up starting with the so called civil rights movement controlled by the Jews using their black proxy warriors. Now it has evolved into the anti-white hate speech and anti-semitism garbage Zionist shabos goy Trump has mandated in order to restrict freedom of speech on college campuses. All off this racial, discrimination division is a product of the Jew Frankfurt School designed to destroy the western countries.

    The Zionist fraud Elizabeth Warren that was ebullient over the mother that was instigating a sex change operation (mutilation) for her daughter. Warren (Pocahontas) is now famous for her ridiculous attempt to concoct a native heritage and put forth the same narrative she had used to get her into Harvard. When I grew up no one as far as I know thought about being of Indian derivation or not. The idea never occurred to me until many years later my brother (12 years older) told me that when I had gone to college and our grandmother became ill, they were going to take her to the local hospital. She protested saying “I’m not going over there, it’s got too many damned Indians.”

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
  158. Ugetit says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Dear Mr Romanoff,

    I see that you not only respond to trolls, but that you are still responding to others. I have been a fan of yours and in good faith I asked you for sources for more info on your claims about the “opium Jews” and their involvement in the Taiping Rebellion since I can only find scraps here and there about the subject. Why do you chose to ignore my requests, especially since I am not trolling as can be seen by my my previous comments?

    I spent more than a few hours yesterday in pursuit of details (using appropriate Boolean Operators even) and still have not been able to flesh out your claims. While I do enjoy searching for details, I do not appreciate having my time wasted.

    I am asking once again to provide sources for your claims, not because I doubt them, but because I find that they fit a pattern and want to know more.

    Many thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  159. Ugetit says:
    @Al Liguori

    Thanks for your suggestions.

    I am looking for specific and credible info on the involvement of the opium lords in the Taiping “Rebellion.” So far I have found nothing but blogger’s claims and very little of them, all unsubstantiated. I do appreciate that there is likely little available in English.

    Your first link mentions nothing about Taiping, and so far neither can I find that your second source does but I have not finished with it.

    I am perfectly well aware of the Sassoon, Kadoorie, and Hardoon involvement in the despicable opium trade, and I am aware of the possibility that the Taiping “festivities” smell like your typical non-goy operation, but I want some good solid evidence that my suspicions and Romanoff’s claims in that regard are either correct or not.

    Again, please accept my appreciation for your help.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  160. @Alden

    Denial is not a river in Egypt, so believe what you will. From the sound of your post, you will be the first in line for the ConJob 19 jab. I will be the first to wish you the best of luck with that. Again, you have been warned.

    • Agree: Ugetit
    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
  161. @Alden

    More and more it’s my opinion that only certified Drs nurses and other certified medical professionals be allowed access to medical web sites.

    Well blow me down. I’ve been reading medical research for just a couple of months shy of 58 years now with just an honors degree in physics and you want to shut me out. You sound like a medical doctor yourself who arrogantly thinks he has, by virtue of that degree, a monopoly on access to whatever truth medical science has come up with.

    I’ve got news for you: there’s a Nobel Prize, not in Medicine, but in Physiology and Medicine. Medicine relies on physiology for many of its truths, but physiology couldn’t care two hoots for medicine. Instead, it relies on physics and chemistry and a bit of biology, all STEM subjects, which appear to be required less and less of aspiring doctors these days. Kary Mullis, the Nobel-Prize winning inventor of the PCR technique, was a biochemist.

    I’ve got more news for you. That research I did 58 years ago was for my senior seminar in physics. I decided I wanted to get into biophysics and spent several weeks in a medical library researching topics. Came up with an interesting topic in which totally unknown (to me) physicists decided to insert an electrode inside the nerve axon of a giant squid. The seminar turned out out to be a great success. Six months later the researchers won the Nobel Prize in Physiology (forget medicine). Hodgkin and Huxley. Look it up. Giants in the field.

    If that’s not good enough for you, my Master’s thesis included the word epidemiology in its title. Loads of medical research. I also aced biochemistry. I’ll stack my credentials in physiology against yours any day of the week.

    What does sanitation have to do with smallpox? even the CDC admits the strong role that sanitation has in preventing transmission. The exact roles played by airborne transmission, vaccination and sanitation, or lack of it, is thus an empirical matter and subject to the normal practice of debate and discussion:

    Before smallpox was eradicated, it was mainly spread by direct and fairly prolonged face-to-face contact between people. Smallpox patients became contagious once the first sores appeared in their mouth and throat (early rash stage). They spread the virus when they coughed or sneezed and droplets from their nose or mouth spread to other people. They remained contagious until their last smallpox scab fell off.

    These scabs and the fluid found in the patient’s sores also contained the variola virus. The virus can spread through these materials or through the objects contaminated by them, such as bedding or clothing. People who cared for smallpox patients and washed their bedding or clothing had to wear gloves and take care to not get infected.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @Anon
  162. Ugetit says:
    @Mark Tapley

    Founders of Harvard and Brown Universities are examples.

    Here are a couple more.

    The story begins at Yale, where three threads of American social history — espionage, drug smuggling and secret societies — intertwine into one.

    In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company merged with the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and became the primary American opium smuggler. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the “China”(opium) trade.

    One of Russell and Company’s Chief of Operations in Canton was Warren Delano, Jr., grandfather of Franklin Roosevelt. Other Russell partners included John Cleve Green (who financed Princeton), Abiel Low (who financed construction of Columbia), Joseph Coolidge and the Perkins, Sturgis and Forbes families. (Coolidge’s son organized the United Fruit company, and his grandson, Archibald C. Coolidge, was a co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations.)

  163. Andy F says:

    You’ll find some useful supporting info at R’s 1918 Annual Financial Report
    Rockefeller has been medical virus work in Wuhu, China since 1900, (I’m ignoring opium trade) using horse serum vaccines (caused Spanish Flu 1918) at Harvard in China, YALE in China.
    In the file on Rockefeller Finance Report of 1918, starts around page 288, 269, 260. The book is on finance, but only names the projects.
    Pg 260 is Dr Embree was sec’y of Rockefeller Foundation AND sec’y of China Medical Board, Peking Medical College and “Shanghai Medical School of the Rockefeller Foundation”

  164. @Ugetit

    My sincere apologies. You are not being ignored. I unfortunately missed reading your comment.

    I wouldn’t discourage your searching, but I feel certain the English internet has been totally sanitized of this and related information. You can appreciate why.

    I don’t know if I have any non-Chinese sources for you, and it will take some digging to go through thousands of files. I have been preparing extensive articles on this and other related issues, but I have much data sorting to be done first, to extract all of this topic from Gb of files. If I see something quickly, I will post it for you.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  165. Al Liguori says: • Website

    Sorry that those leads have not yet panned out.

  166. @Alden

    Weak straw man. Try again.

  167. @Johnny Walker Read

    Fake virus, fake test and fake numbers and now a fake vaccine for a virus that has not been isolated nor identified much less passed the standard requirement for all pathogens, the Koch’s Postulates because they can’t, just like with the previous fake flus and then phony AIDS “epidemic.”


    All of it is to get the goyim to give-up their most valuable asset, their liberties as the MSM projects this transparent medical fraud over society like a witch doctor may scare the ignorant savages with stories of evil spirits. The elite are promoting a culture of dependency in which the livestock are propagandized to believe they need constant medical intervention, dangerous and weakening vaccinations and total surveillance. The ultimate goal is a technocratic Neo-feudal state of tyrannical control and austere conditions. As you stated: They have been warned.

    Moderator I have requested several times that my agree-like buttons be activated.

    Reporter Jon Rappaport on earlier fake Flu vaccinations:

    I take you back to the summer of 2009, when the CDC and the World Health Organization were hyping the “deadly H1N1 Swine Flu pandemic.”

    They were, of course, also urging people to take the new Swine Flu vaccine. On that subject, here is an excerpt from Robert Kennedy Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense (3/27/20):

    “For example, [Dr. Anthony] Fauci once shilled for the fast-tracked H1N1 influenza (‘swine flu’) vaccine on YouTube, reassuring viewers in 2009 that serious adverse events were ‘very, very, very rare.’ Shortly thereafter, the vaccine went on to wreak havoc in multiple countries, increasing miscarriage risks in pregnant women in the U.S., provoking a spike in adolescent narcolepsy in Scandinavia and causing febrile convulsions in one in every 110 vaccinated children in Australia—prompting the latter to suspend its influenza vaccination program in under-fives.”

    Thank you. Dr. Fauci. Explain to us why you haven’t been downgraded to pumping gas in Death Valley or sent to prison?

    However, that is only half the Swine Flu story. The other half—which involves an astounding hoax—was surely something Fauci was aware of at the time.

    Fauci was, in fact, recommending a highly dangerous vaccine for protection against AN EPIDEMIC THAT DIDN’T EXIST AT ALL.

    His friends and professional colleagues at the CDC were creating the hoax.

    Let me run it down for you.

    In the summer of 2009, the CDC was claiming there were thousands of Swine Flu cases in the US. But behind these statistics lay an unnerving secret. A major crime, considering the CDC’s mandate to report the truth to the American people:

    Secretly, the CDC had stopped counting cases of Swine Flu.

    What? Why?

    CBS investigative reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, discovered the CDC secret; and she found out why.

    The routine lab testing of tissue samples from the most likely Swine Flu patients was coming back, in the overwhelming percentage of cases, with: NO SIGN OF SWINE FLU OR ANY OTHER KIND OF FLU.

    Attkisson wrote an article about this scandal, and it was published on the CBS News website. However, the next, bigger step—putting out the story on CBS television news—was waylaid. No deal. And CBS shut down any future investigation on the subject. Attkisson’s article died on the vine. No other major news outlet in the world picked up her article and ran with it deeper into the rabbit hole.

    Here is what Attkisson told me when I interviewed her:

    Rappoport: In 2009, you spearheaded coverage of the so-called Swine Flu pandemic. You discovered that, in the summer of 2009, the Centers for Disease Control, ignoring their federal mandate, [secretly] stopped counting Swine Flu cases in America. Yet they continued to stir up fear about the “pandemic,” without having any real measure of its impact. Wasn’t that another investigation of yours that was shut down? Wasn’t there more to find out?

    Attkisson: The implications of the story were even worse than that. We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all! The interest in the story from one [CBS] executive was very enthusiastic. He said it was “the most original story” he’d seen on the whole Swine Flu epidemic. But others pushed to stop it [after it was published on the CBS News website] and, in the end, no [CBS television news] broadcast wanted to touch it. We aired numerous stories pumping up the idea of an epidemic, but not the one that would shed original, new light on all the hype. It was fair, accurate, legally approved and a heck of a story. With the CDC keeping the true Swine Flu stats secret, it meant that many in the public took and gave their children an experimental vaccine that may not have been necessary.

    —end of interview excerpt—

    So…fake pandemic, CDC crimes, and a damaging vaccine.

    But that wasn’t end of it. The CDC wanted to commit another crime. About three weeks after Attkisson’s findings were published on the CBS News website, the CDC, obviously in a panic, decided to double down. If one lie is exposed, tell an even bigger one. A much bigger one.

    Here, from a November 12, 2009, WebMD article is the CDC’s response: “Shockingly, 14 million to 34 million U.S. residents – the CDC’s best guess is 22 million – came down with H1N1 swine flu by Oct. 17 [2009].” (“22 million cases of Swine Flu in US,” by Daniel J. DeNoon).

    Are your eyeballs popping? They should be.

    Fast forward to 2020. Who in his right mind, armed with a little history, would believe anything the CDC is saying about COVID-19? The discovery of a new coronavirus. the case numbers, the accuracy of the diagnostic tests, the need for lockdowns and economic devastation, the safety and importance of a vaccine, the fear porn? Who would believe any of it?

    And who would believe anything coming out of the mouth of Dr. Anthony Fauci, who hyped a highly destructive Swine Flu vaccine for an epidemic that didn’t exist at all?

    Only a fool.

    • Thanks: Ugetit, Peripatetic Itch
  168. @Ugetit

    The Delanos and Russells were the transport arm. Rothschild grew the opium in India, the Russells and Delanos transported it to Hong Kong and delivered it to Sassoon who then marketed it in China.

  169. @Alden

    Let’s again enjoy 1 child dead before age 10 for every 5 live births.

    Talk about irrelevance. The high infant mortality of previous centuries and of third-world countries is due primarily to things like diarrhea from polluted water. It was solved by sanitation and hygienic practices that are not at issue anywhere in this thread. Nor are antibiotics.

    Next you toss out typhus and typhoid as if vaccinations were the solution. There is no vaccine for typhus. Maintaining proper hygiene is a must for preventing both diseases. Typhus was controlled by the Germans in WWII with those infamous de-lousing facilities, using Zyklon B.

    And of course smallpox, which as I showed just above, has a strong sanitation component in its prevention.

    Sorry to see idiot liberals posting on UNZ.

    You do seem to be triggered. UR tends to do that with trolls. The rest of us try to discuss issues.

  170. Ugetit says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Excellent reply.

    I had to laugh at his statement that “only certified Drs nurses and other certified medical professionals be allowed access to medical web sites.”

    If he only had a tiny clue as to how stupid and ignorant most of them are, (especially nurses, Nurse Practitioners, DOs, PAs and the like), and especially the grads of the last few decades, he may recognize cause to change his tune.

    The situation vis a vis, “authorities,” medical and otherwise, is generally dreadfully appalling and has been getting relentlessly worse for ages in my opinion, and I’ve long been in a position to know.

  171. Ugetit says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Thanks, but that info is pretty easy to come by.

    I’d still like to know more detail about the opium lords and their relationship to the Taiping “rebellion”? I don’t doubt it a bit since it fits their usual MO, but I am having difficulty obtiaining details .

    Where can I find more?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  172. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Who is against some free speech is against free speech. I’d let them speak, as I am for free speech, but wouldn’t speak with them.

  173. Ugetit says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    I wouldn’t discourage your searching, but I feel certain the English internet has been totally sanitized of this and related information. You can appreciate why.

    Several of the sites I found make mention of this and I certainly can appreciate why.

    I have continued my searching and have found several interesting sites and insights (related and unrelated) such as this which no doubt has implications regarding one of the causes for the American Revolution.

    The Americans tried to enter the China trade even under British colonial rule, but the British, calling them pirates, tried to exclude them from the monopoly. Some Americans could ship goods from Batavia to China using Dutch ships, and others used American ships from the African slave trade to take goods to China. After independence, with the signing of the Treaty of Paris in 1783, the Americans quickly entered the China trade.

    … Before 1784 the British protected their trade monopoly by excluding Americans, as colonial subjects,War%2C%20and%20lasted%20until%201891.%20See%20the%20Samuel.

    Parenthetically, I am convinced that the war on Japan was about protecting trade, including the opium trade as well, and that aspect is too little known and much underappreciated.
    If you can direct me to Chinese sources, I have a friend who can translate. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
    , @Wizard of Oz
  174. @Tom67

    Thanks for that article. It is definitely the most compelling in favor of the virus explanation for the 1918 flu in this thread.

    That said, I do have several major reservations. While they have apparently reconstituted a virus from the so-called viral fragments obtained from victims, and while they have infected mice and seen mortality, it doesn’t seem like they have demonstrated it can infect humans or sustain an epidemic. Not have I seen any indication that it predisposes its victims to bacterial pneumonia — apparently no streptococcus infections in the lungs. Correct me if I’m wrong. Streptococcus is a commensal bacteria seen commonly in human airways:

    If you’re young and basically healthy, these bacteria can live in your throat without causing any trouble. But if your body’s defenses (immune system) become weak for some reason, the bacteria can go down into your lungs

    Nor have they shown it affects the young more than the old and the weak. This is an important point, because it seems to comprise the most important objection to Larry’s thesis. It’s the old double standard, of course: accept any old slipshod reasoning for your preferred explanation, but demand nothing but rock-solid proof for any upstarts.

    The only explanation I can recall for the age effect is that an earlier version of the virus had infected the previous generation, who had thereby gained immunity. Unfortunately their best estimates suggest the earlier version may have arisen around 1900-1905, which should also have given most WWI soldiers immunity. And without a devastating influenza epidemic around that time, the hypothesis is little more than a waving of the hands.

    • Replies: @Thedeadlyjuice
  175. Vonu says:

    It is impossible to have 125% free speech.

  176. Schuetze says:

    Of course there was the bio-warfare during the Korean war, but it gets hard to determine how to attribute this to Organized Jewry. For this reason I am changing the calculation from “probability that organized Jewery was behind it.” to “the probability the event was significantly due to bio-warfare **multiplied by** the probability that in this possibly unnatural event Organized Jewry was culpably involved”. These are my seat-of-the-pants calculations…

    Bubonic Plague — 25% * 80% = 20%
    Spanish Flu — 70% * 50% = 35%
    1945 plan to kill 6 million Germans — 100% * 100% = 100%
    Operation Sea Spray on San Francisco 1950 — 100% * 50% = 50%
    MKUltra LSD dispersal (ie. in Koolaid) across the US — 100% * 80% = 80%
    Agent Orange in Vietnam — 100% * 20% = 20%
    U.S. Germ Warfare during the Korean War — 100% * 50% = 50%
    Lyme disease — 70% * 50% = 35%
    AIDS — 50% * 50% = 25%
    CV19 — 80% * 80% = 64%

  177. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Not when the theater is on fire.

  178. Schuetze says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “The history books tell us that “a group of wealthy Shanghai businessmen” assembled an army and “put down” the Taiping rebellion. True, but what the history books don’t tell us is that those “wealthy Shanghai businessmen” were Rothschild, Sassoon, Kadoorie, Hardoon, et al.”

    When I looked up the Taiping Rebellion I noticed this: “The uprising was commanded by Hong Xiuquan, the self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ.

    Following wiki to Hong I came across this:

    Hong took time to carefully examine the Christian pamphlets he had received. After reading these pamphlets, Hong came to believe that they had given him the key to interpreting his visions: his celestial father was God the Father (whom he identified with Shangdi from Chinese tradition), the elder brother that he had seen was Jesus Christ, and he had been directed to rid the world of demon worship. (Jews and their god Satan????) This interpretation led him to conclude that he was the literal son of God and younger brother to Jesus. In contrast to some of the later leaders of his movement, Hong appears to have genuinely believed in his ascent to Heaven and divine mission. After coming to this conclusion Hong began destroying idols and enthusiastically preaching his interpretation of Christianity.

    It would appear that the extreme prejudice that the Jewish Sassoon’s and Rothschild’s exhibited in their squashing of the uprising might also have involved a large dollop of typical Jewish lust for vengeance against Christianity and hate for Jesus. This likely would have been doubly so if the pamphlets Hong read happened to mention the centuries old vendetta Jews carry against everything Christian.

    • Replies: @Thedeadlyjuice
  179. @Larry Romanoff

    I second @ugetit s request. And I am really looking forward to more of your writings.

    It’s amazing to me how juice managed to subvert the will of the chinese people. What’s even crazier is that the taipings were a new christian sect and truly loved their people.

    Mr Romanoff, you may at first glance be a “chinese shill”. Most conservatives have been indoctrinated with anti chinese propaganda. Your work could help wake people up.

    Me personally, I am indifferent towards the chinese. I wish them well and hope they prosper, however I also wish for american manufacturing to come back home, and I wish for us to detach ourselves economically from china.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  180. @Thedeadlyjuice

    For your sake, I wish the manufacturing would return also. Your huge multi-nationals pushed a deal onto your government that any profits made outside the country would be tax-free. So everyone closed their factories, fired all the workers, and moved. Many of them didn’t even have to invest money in new factories; they could simply find someone to produce OEM. That move gutted your country and your middle class. I hate to say this, but you don’t really need to disengage from China. What you need is a bit of socialism to care more about people than corporations, but I don’t seen that happening.

  181. Ed Case says:

    The SJW non profit do gooder buttinsky sector is very dangerous. Having destroyed our cities and schools with SJW foundations unemployed liberals have turned their ignorant buttinskism on medicine.

    Hysterical rubbish in lieu of an argument.
    SJWs, Liberals, the NGO Sector, and all the rest are on board with Compulsory Mass Vaccinations, always have been, always will be.
    Pro Vaccination trolling is the only reason you’re here, the rest of your commentary is just window dressing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  182. Anon[939] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed Case

    Nevertheless, many of you keep replying :)).

  183. @Larry Romanoff

    I am still favorable of international trade with China and all countries, but autarky is paramount for any genuine form of nationalism. Right now we are too reliant on foreign manufacturing.

    Regarding your Spanish Flu research, I came across the same findings as you this past March, but I didn’t eloquently write up anything like you did. Thanks a lot and I am happy to share your article with others.

    There still exists no solid explanation as to why the pandemic of 1918 predominantly killed healthy young adults.

    Annual Death by age only shoots up for 15-44 age demographic. It’s absurd to think a natural wild virus would only target the strongest immune systems. It goes against foundational concepts in epidemiology. There was an environmental trigger. Primitive vaccines delivered make the most sense.

    Also of note, as a percentage, white males experienced a much sharper rate of death than white females. Non-white male and female death rates, as a percentage, were only slightly higher in 1918. This could be because non-whites were more common in rural areas at the time? I am unsure. Nonetheless it is true that white young adult males were disproportionately affected.

    Military service best explains why fighting age adult white males were hardest hit by the pandemic. Mandatory military service vaccinations dosen’t explain why there was a significant bump in deaths for white women as well, unless civilians were receiving the same vaccinations.

    To anyone else out there reading this as well, it would be nice to see any data of vaccination rates for civilians in 1918 and surrounding years.

    In regard to the “aspirin theory” that is being pushed by the usual suspects. Recommended dosages were only 2x of what they are now. We also don’t know how many doses of aspirin was actually given. Plus I think they float this theory as another way to shift any attention away from vaccines.

  184. @anon

    I saw similar behavior in February by orientals in Australia and attributed it to their conformism. Then I saw the stats: the oriental component of every population world wide has by far the lowest rate of Covid infection and mortality. So maybe not imbeciles?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  185. @Alden

    You have a high degree of irrationality regarding the vaccine issue. When people regard something with a strident religious fervor, that tends to be the result.

    Reality is that it IS NOT a simple pro or con issue. Lots of shades of gray exist and plenty of conservatives also have caution regarding vaccines (more specifically, the adjuvants used in them.)

    • Thanks: Ugetit
    • Replies: @Alden
  186. Ugetit says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Here’s part of the problem with finding info on the subject of Taiping. It’s from an interlibrary loan request I just received and is a review of a book on the subject.:

    volumes. Volume I, HISTORY. By Franz Michael. In collaboration with
    Chung-li Chang. [University of Washington Publications on Asia. Sponsored
    by the Far Eastern and Russian Institute.] (Seattle: University of Washington
    Press. I966. Pp. xii,

    THE Taiping rebellion (I850-I864) was as great a social upheaval as any in world history. Yet until now there has been no effort at a documented, systematic, and comprehensive assessment in any language other than Chinese. [And to top that off], Invasion, war, civil war, and the war of ideas have slowed the development of modern Chinese historical scholarship.

    This is a most interesting topic and despite its importance, I had never heard of it before. I see now why it’s so hard, unfortunately, to find anything in English about it. I have a couple of other articles from various journals “in transit” and have ordered a copy of the book. Thanks once again for mentioning it and I certainly hope you can find the time and energy to flesh out the story for those of us ignorant of Chinese language and history.

    Thank goodness for the internet, and bless both you and your work!

  187. Ugetit says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    What you need is a bit of socialism to care more about people than corporations, but I don’t seen that happening.

    A huge problem is that the corporations we’re addressing here are designed to socialize risk while privatizing profits. It’s an incredibly sick system and was designed that way from the beginning. Amazing that it’s lasted as long as it has.

    I believe that nothing can be done until the masses somehow get unbrainwashed but I don’t see that happening any time soon either. They would rather think of themselves as somehow “great” than deal with the reality that they (we) are de facto slaves. Sad stuff.

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  188. @Peripatetic Itch

    From reading other insightful comments here, I now strongly believe it is highly plausible that the horse-serum derived meningococcal vaccine caused the 1918 pandemic.

    Someone mentioned how the early polio vaccines gave almost everyone the SV40 monkey virus. Well guess what? People who received the SV40 virus from the vaccine can pass it onto other people who didn’t get the vaccine. (Link above)

    I read the polio vaccine in question was an attenuated vaccine, meaning it travelled multiple times through the monkey. But would a non attenuated vaccine, such as the meningococcal vaccine from horses also have the possibly of transmitting an unknown horse influenza virus?

    I also read prior to 1920 all vaccines were exposed to other bacteria due to how they remove the cultures from animals. They also just picked whatever large animal was nearby. Cows, sheep, horses. It’s not like a ton of thought went into which animals they used.

    Here is a study showing horse influenza can pass onto humans. (Link above)

    I would like some input from someone like yourself with a background in epidemiology. From my perspective, it seems very plausible for an unknown horse influenza strain to be passed directly onto humans. Mass production from a bad set of horses and mass injections into humans could have skipped the natural zoonosis process and caused a massive pandemic.

    By the way, that aspirin theory makes no sense and is promoted by the usual suspects. The 1918 pandemic was world wide, most patients wouldn’t of had access to aspirin.

  189. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Jew-blaming-as-a-knee-jerk-reaction-in-all-situations is, like hoplophobia, the hallmark of the man who cannot cope.

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  190. @Schuetze

    Sounds like the Taipings created a proto form of national socialism. Of course the british and french would aide the sasoon family and would throw their weight in to shut it down. Summary of their policies below:

    Within the land that it controlled, the Taiping Heavenly Army established a totalitarian, theocratic, and highly militarized rule.[16]

    The subject of study for the examinations for officials changed from the Confucian classics to the Bible.
    Private property ownership was abolished and all land was held and distributed by the state.[17]
    A solar calendar replaced the lunar calendar.
    Foot binding was banned. (The Hakka people had never followed this tradition, and consequently the Hakka women had always been able to work the fields.[18])
    Society was declared classless and the sexes were declared equal. At one point, for the first time in Chinese history civil service exams were held for women. Some sources[which?] record that Fu Shanxiang, an educated woman from Nanjing, passed them and became an official at the court of the Eastern King.[citation needed]
    Several women served as military officers and commanders under Taiping, Hong Xuanjiao (sister of Taiping leader), Su Sanniang and Qin Ersao are examples of women who acted actively as leaders during the Taiping Rebellion.
    The sexes were rigorously separated.[17] There were separate army units consisting of women only; until 1855, not even married couples were allowed to live together or have sexual relations.[19]
    The Qing-dictated queue hairstyle was abandoned in favor of wearing the hair long.
    Other new laws were promulgated including the prohibition of opium, gambling, tobacco, alcohol, polygamy (including concubinage), slavery, and prostitution. These all carried death penalties.

  191. @Anonymous

    Jew-blaming-as-a-knee-jerk-reaction-in-all-situations is, like hoplophobia, the hallmark of the man who cannot cope.

    True enough. To cope in the current order, one must never blame Jews no matter what bad things they do. Always praise Jews no matter what. It’s the only way to ‘cope’. It’s like a slave on a plantation better not blame the master if he wishes to ‘cope’ in the state he’s in.

    Look how far Marco Rubio got. A total mediocrity, he became Senator with lots of money in the bank because he NEVER blamed Jews. He sure knows how to cope.

    If you’re a slave, learn to cope by praising the master.

  192. @Larry Romanoff

    Actual sources are nearly impossible to come by, but my instincts say the manchu people are the juice of china.

    How can an ethnic minority representing less than 1% of china rule over the han people, with 95% representation? At the same time, the manchus ruled china during (((western))) expansion into china. Technical and culture advancements during this period were non existent as well. Not to mention immense poverty and opium addictions.

    There is no historical record of what happened to the manchus when their rule ended in 1911. They faded into obscurity. The only thing I can find are numerous unsourced accounts of victimization. And of course all commentary and analysis is in English and blindly supportive of multiculturalism and ethnic minorities in general.

    Can Han nationalists support their claim that there is a legitimate manchu conspiracy to subvert their people? You seem very knowledgeable on chinese history and culture. Would greatly appreciate your opinion.

  193. anon[673] • Disclaimer says:

    “Meanwhile Doctors Slack and Overlander were busy taking cultures. They soon reported that the influenza bacillus predominated in these cultures. They also found that both Type I and Type III of the pneumococci were present. They also found streptococci. Their reports indicated that the present epidemic was a mixed infection.” American Journal of Public Health October 1918
    Download PDF

  194. @Larry Romanoff

    Larry. This has been a productive and valuable discussion. One never permitted in establishment journals. We are agreed that the establishment’s viral explanation fails to hold water in many respects. So let me ask, Could aspirin actually be the cause of the high mortality of the 1918 pandemic? Basically an iatrogenic causation.

    First let’s look at what has to be explained. This can be controversial since advocates for a theory emphasize things their hypothesis explains best:

    1. The disease preferentially killed young people. This is not unprecedented but is highly unusual for both influenza and pneumonia, which tend to kill the old and the infirm. Everybody agrees on this.

    2. The disease affected the Western allies and the German and Austrian armies more or less equally. The Rockefeller vaccines, at least, were presumably confined to the Western allies.

    3. The disease killed with massive lung involvement, including bacterial pneumonia.

    4. Mortality rates were highly variable by location. The first wave, in the spring of 1918 was also much less deadly than the second later wave, implying either a change in the virulence of the putative agent or a change in treatment practices.

    Now let’s look at aspirin, a drug that was patented by Farbenfabriken Bayer, a German company, in 1899 and marketed around the world, with much justification, as a wonder drug for pain and fever. Farbenfabriken Bayer’s worldwide efforts had left few places lacking aspirin:

    Aspirin, the original wonder drug, has long been a go-to medicine for millions, a Jack-of-all trades remedy that is readily available and cheap. Championed for its ability to relieve pain, fever…

    With no cure for the flu, many doctors prescribed medication that they felt would alleviate symptoms… including aspirin, which had been trademarked by Bayer in 1899—a patent that expired in 1917, meaning new companies were able to produce the drug during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

    Before the spike in deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu in 1918, the U.S. Surgeon General, Navy and the Journal of the American Medical Association had all recommended the use of aspirin. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

    Dr. Karen M. Starko, an infectious disease specialist in Philadelphia, PA, has published a research article postulating that overdoses of aspirin could explain much of the mortality from the pandemic. It was prescribed in doses that would not only accumulate in the body but would also increase the body’s retention of those toxic doses. Those toxic doses would produce pulmonary edema, impair mucociliary clearance and at least in late-stage cases cause bacterial pneumonia. All variations in mortality were due to different prescribing and cultural practices, in her theory.

    Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence
    Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 49, Issue 9, 15 November 2009

    Meanwhile fear and panic were spreading like wildfire among the general population, just like today. Everyone was willing to take or do whatever they thought necessary to stave off what they saw as certain death.

    Does this preclude your vaccine hypothesis? Perhaps not, but I will let you answer the question. What is does emphasize is that paradigms are rarely overturned by facts. Instead, they are generally overturned by rival paradigms that explain facts better and appeal to prevailing values that may be evolving in various ways.

  195. @Larry Romanoff

    “What you need is a bit of socialism to care more about people than corporations, but I don’t seen that happening.”

    Agree with “care more about people than corporations,” but I think Mefobill’s & BeeGee’s solution(s) with respect to Jewish Finance Capitalism must be realized as a first necessity. Absent that, socialism or any other ism would amount to little more than a rearrangement of decks chairs on a sinking ship.

  196. @Peripatetic Itch

    I too appreciate the discussion. Your argument is clear and your logic flawless. Unfortunately, I haven’t the medical background to render me competent to express an opinion. 🙁

  197. @Ugetit

    Notice how the same elite are connected over and over. Samual Bush was brought onto the War Industries Board by Percy Rockefeller. This racket run by International Zionist Jew Bernard Baruch, handler of the the syphilitic puppet Wilson parceled out contracts to the insiders while Morgan underwrote the loans to Britain and France all financed by tax dollars. Unable to instigate America’s entry into the war despite a constant barrage of anti-German propaganda of ridiculous lies, the Lusitania was maneuvered into position.

    Baruch was the top advisor (and the real President.) in the puppet FDR’s Administration. Of FDR’s 72 advisors 52 were Jews. Bush’s son Prescott was a member of the Skull & Bones and was one of the primary American banker intermediates used to handle Wall Streets funding of German industry in order to instigate the second phase of the first war.

    The eastern Zionist empire (USSR) had been established in the first war and was kept afloat only by massive agricultural, industrial and financial aid from Jewmerica. after WW2 the USSR had to be switched around from “our great Allie” to our deadly enemy in order to use the Hegelian Dialectic thesis-antithesis for the “Cold War’. Look for China and Russia to combine forces to oppose Jewmerica in the next world war which should install global martial law (agenda 2030-21 type feudal system).

    Rothschild employee and live in handler for Wilson, Col Edward House was also a founder of the CFR. The third handler was Zionist Jew Eugene Meyer who later became a FED Chairman and who’s daughter ran the Washington post for many years. He held the blackmail letters on the idiot Wilson and also inducted the con artist Cyrus Scofield (front man for the Jews Christian Zionist scam) into the insider’s Lotus Club. Meyer insured that Wilson appointed Zionist Jew Louis Brandeis to the Supreme Court.

    Wilson who was in a catatonic state for much of his second term was told by his handlers at the beginning that he would be the “leader of The League of Nations” but at the Versailles Conference, run by the Zionist Jews from each major power, Wilson was shoved off to the side. The shabbos Goy adolescent Trump and senile self proclaimed Zionist Biden are the same and are just puppet actors propped up to fool the goyim.

    This was all over 100 years ago. The Zionists are much more powerful now and control both of the fake parties at the top. They have many operatives on the left and the right. Not one senator and very few in the house will oppose their agenda. The Zionists have Controlled all of the MSM since before WW1 when J.P. Morgan (Rothschild employee) bought the editorial rights to the 20 top newspapers in Jewmerica. Makes no difference what end of the spectrum they are on as long as they support the Zionist agenda.

    I was surprised at how effective the fake virus, fake test, fake numbers and fake vaccine are. Now we know that the elites don’t have to always rely on wars to move society (the livestock) at a faster rate. It can be done with a simple medical fraud as if you were telling a scary story to a child. The elite criminals realize now that they can induce the goyim to give up their natural rights for the perception of a little security. Thanks for the information. Most people fail to see the forest for the trees and continue to believe in the Zionist MSM and that “the gov. would not lie to us.”

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  198. @Peripatetic Itch

    We know that the war was a contrived conflict as laid out by Docerty in his heavily footnoted “Hidden History – The Secret Origins of the First World War” exposing the anglo Zionists. We have the entire fraudulent history of vaccines exposed by Suzanne Humphries MD in “Dissolving Illusions” and we know from the long planned fake virus, fake test, fake numbers and fake vaccine that there is nothing the elites will not do to accomplish their agenda. And reap enormous profits along the way as they have done with the bailout for billionaire program of 08 and now an even bigger theft of trillions more by their banking cartel under cover of the fake virus and staged riots.

    It has all picked up speed since the 911 event was orchestrated. That paved the way for the Israeli foreign Legion (U.S. military) to escalate the Yinnon Plan for Greater Israel as we strive to bring “democracy ” (governments run by Jews) to the Middle East and as the Foremost British Journalist of WW2 Douglas Reed noted in his “Controversy of Zion” to destroy all the countries and replace them with a one world tyranny.

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  199. Skeptikal says:

    “they only emote.”

    Aha, that explains the irrational emoting that takes place at UR.

    All the emoters, swearers, those telling other commenters to fuck off, etc. are women!

    • Replies: @Alden
  200. Skeptikal says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    However, these smugglers, slave dealers, etc. were not the founders of Harvard College.

    Let’s keep the history straight.

    “The school came into existence in 1636 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony—though without a single building, instructor, or student. In 1638, the college became home for North America’s first known printing press, carried by the ship John of London.[7][8] Three years later, the college was renamed in honor of deceased Charlestown minister John Harvard (1607–1638) who had bequeathed to the school his entire library and half of his monetary estate.

    Harvard’s first instructor was schoolmaster Nathaniel Eaton (1610–1674); in 1639, he also became its first instructor to be dismissed, for overstrict discipline.[9] The school’s first students were graduated in 1642. In 1665, Caleb Cheeshahteaumuck (c. 1643–1666) “from the Wampanoag … did graduate from Harvard, the first Indian to do so in the colonial period.”[10] ”

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  201. @Larry Romanoff

    Don’t put yourself down. A medical background, or lack of it, may be the least of your problems. It is used in a gatekeeper function to block anyone without the “proper” credentials from the peer reviewed system. But in fact, the medical knowledge we have is far too vast for any one person to have a grasp of it and the knowledge we don’t have is several orders of magnitude above that. Then there is the vast unknown of knowledge we think we have that will ultimately turn out to be wrong.

    What is needed is an ability to read and research, a commitment to the truth, some innate logic, the courage to put your opinions out there and have them shot down, and a forum that doesn’t think debate on such topics is a waste of time.

    Everybody needs to delve into the history and philosophy of science to see how fragile its foundations actually are when there are no innovations in technology to buttress your theory. Karl Popper is good, showing there is no such thing as fact uncontaminated by theory, that theories may be corroborated but must always be considered tentative. Unfortunately the powers of language and sophistry enable any ad hoc hypothesis formulated solely to save a theory, no matter how feeble, to be worded in a manner that sounds convincing to most. Even names serve the purpose — once you call it the flu, people tend to get into a virus mindset.

    Thomas Kuhn convincingly showed that scientists are very resistant to changing what he called their prevailing paradigm, that paradigms mostly change when the adherents of the old ones die out. Unfortunately he also came to suggest that adherence to false dogma is for the good of science. And so we have today censorship of anything that can be portrayed as disinformation.

    Epidemiology is itself just logic and common sense. There needs to be multiple correlations between the distributions of the putative cause and of the disease you want to explain. There also needs to be a mechanism to explain how that putative cause actually causes the disease. The main difficulty is in teasing out how much of a long-accepted explanation is explained solely by repetition and sophistry.

    In regards to the 1918 pandemic, the establishment has consistently pushed the pure viral explanation and the evidence in its favor should consequently be considered at least somewhat suspect. Certainly some influenza viruses cause bacterial pneumonia in the old and frail, but that may only be the result of compromised mucociliary clearance. The argument may be as much by analogy with other diseases as anything else.

    Your vaccine hypothesis seems to strike a nerve with people worried about the new covid19 vaccines and it does seem buttressed by a statistical connection between other vaccines and decreased immunity to non-target infections. The effect has not, however, been widely accepted. One would have to get deep into contemporary sources like newspapers, vaccine deliveries and medical directives to flesh it out.

    Dr. Karen Starko’s aspirin-overdose mechanism, on the other hand, is experimentally and observationally verified. Aspirin is lethal in the doses that were not uncommonly advised and it does affect the lungs in ways similar to the so-called Spanish flu. More research would need to be done to see if it produces bacterial pneumonia in the amounts and kinds observed.

    Moving on to correlations we find that the pure virus explanation does not do so well in explaining the temporal trends and geographical variations in the pandemic. Most outbreaks have greatest lethality at the beginning when medicine is struggling to find adequate treatments but this one started out innocuous and jumped in lethality in the second wave. Similarly there is yet no obvious explanation for the substantial geographic variations.

    The vaccine hypothesis suffers from the same explanatory problems, I think. The aspirin, not so much, because it depends on easily imaginable differences in prescribing practices, while our current situation shows that paranoia and irrationality can increase most rapidly. Though at first sight that is a strength, it could also prove to be a flaw, if it were shown that some populations with high mortality had no access to aspirin.

    The increased mortality among the young also does not seem a problem for aspirin, since many of the young were high-priority soldiers fighting a world war. They would have been given any aspirin stocks that were available. They would of course also have been the ones given the vaccines at issue; however, any disease caused by those vaccines, unless limited to those who got the vaccines, should have quickly escaped and started to affect the old and infirm.

    The viral explanation has the same problem. It gets around it by postulating an earlier epidemic of the same bug a generation or so earlier that gave herd immunity to older people in 1918. Without historical evidence of such an epidemic, with similar levels of mortality, such a hypothesis is little more than hand waving.

    I contend that the high infection rates and mortality on both sides of the conflict is a problem for the vaccine hypothesis since it is unlikely that the Western allies would have made their Rockefeller vaccine available to their sworn enemy, though it might be possible to establish that the Germans had independently come up with similar vaccines. Germany, of course, is the home of the Bayer Corporation that discovered aspirin and had marketed it throughout the world in the 19 years since its discovery. I see no problems for the virus explanation in this regard.

    Theory evaluation is largely subjective so I won’t come to a conclusion. Much work has been done to establish the virus theory but not that much to critique it. More work should be done to prove or disprove a connection between aspirin and pandemic mortality at a local level. Historical work on the use and safety risks of contemporary vaccines could flesh out that hypothesis.

    One last point. As I learned in University math courses long ago, there are an infinite number of algebraic functions that can be made to fit a finite set of points. A mapping can be made between those points and the finite set of purported facts that go to buttress a theory, and so there will also be an infinite number of distinct theories that can be formulated to ‘explain’ any set of facts. All but one of them will be false. The amazing thing is that we, as a society, get anything right at all.

    Keep up the good work. Good discussion.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
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    , @Sparkon
  202. @Peripatetic Itch

    Mark T.

    Good discussion.

    Agree whole heartedly. I’ve even created a pdf for my own education and reference of the comment exchange among you, Larry Romanoff, Ugetit, and Thedeadlyjuice. Hats off to all of you.


    “A Search for Truth and Understanding”

    seems of little or no interest or consequence to many if not most.

  203. Alden says:

    It will be nice if only anti vaccination superstitious liberals die in the diphtheria scarlet fever smallpox pertussis polio tuberculosis even measles epidemics that will result when the superstitious liberals have their way and vaccinations are abolished Unfortunately many others will die because idiots believe the latest liberal superstitions.

    Anti vaccination is as bad a liberal superstition as that blacks are as intelligent as Whites but only systemic racism causes their poor school performance. Another liberal superstition is that blacks never commit crimes It’s only racist White police and prosecutors who falsely arrest totally innocent blacks. Anti vaccination is just as much a liberal superstition as joining a BLM antifa demonstration.

    Anti vaxxers are Kamala Harris voters. Anti vaxxers invented the totally imaginary disease of autism. Some Anti vaxxers believe diphtheria tuberculous scarlet fever pertussis small pox plague and measles never existed. Historians just created the stories, like dragons.

    The other superstitious liberals including UNZ idiots firmly believe that diphtheria suddenly disappeared between 1930 and1935. The discovery of the vaccine and mass vaccinations had nothing to do with the disappearance of diphtheria.

    The superstitious liberal including UNZ posters believe polio suddenly disappeared in 1955 all on its own. The mass vaccines had nothing to with polio’s disappearance

    Do the superstitious liberal idiots who post on UNZ also believe the polio vaccine causes impotence and sterility in men? Probably

    Anti vaccination is just the latest liberal cause, like school desegregation, school bussing, no cash bail, BLM antifa riots, electing Biden and Harris, admitting to the USA more than a million Guatemalans because there was a hurricane there last year.

    You must watch NPR’s Democracy Now and The View every morning to keep up with the latest liberal causes including anti vaccination lies and falsehoods.

    FYI, the autism fraud was invented by a woman, some hysterical actress and other mommies who blamed their children’s problems on vaccinations.

    Diphtheria scarlet fever TB polio measles pertussis will spread when the anti vaccine idiots get their way. And they will watch their children die as those of us who wisely vaccinated our children laugh.

    The leading cause of death for soldiers on both sides of the American civil war wasn’t wounds, wasn’t diphtheria or scarlet fever but measles.
    The rural boys were most affected. City boys who had mild cases as children didn’t die.

    Anti vaccination liberals also advocate for mass third world immigration along with their diseases.

    In primitive Africa, Pakistan and Afghanistan,Muslim Imans preach that the polio vaccine causes sterility and impotence in boys.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Peg B
  204. Alden says:
    @The Real World

    It’s the anti vaccination liberals who are irrational. Not me. Anti vaccination is just the latest liberal cause, like putting up a BLM sign in your window. And transgenderism.

    Hi, I’m a liberal idiot. My pronoun is they. I’m thinking of taking female hormones. I have BLM signs in my windows. I donate to anti fa. I crusade anti vaccinations. I don’t believe diphtheria scarlet fever small pox plague and polio ever existed.

    My latest liberal idiot cause is anti vaccination.

  205. @Skeptikal

    Wikipedia states that Isaac Royal was a wealthy slave trader that bequeathed land to Harvard College that led to the founding of Harvard Law School. The Harvard Law school adopted Royal’s Coat of Arms as it’s seal. Not being politically correct, the Dean of the Law school recently had the seal removed.

    Most likely Isaac was a Jew. They dominated the Atlantic slave trade out of New England. This was a network where slaves were bought from their own people in African slave ports then moved to the British controlled Caribbean. Unlike the mostly mild servitude in the American South where communities of slaves lived and 14,000 blacks owned slaves themselves, the sugar cane islands were very harsh. This eventually became unprofitable for the British aristocracy so they abolished slavery by having Parliament pay them off at a big profit for their failing enterprise. Many descendants of this scam including P.M.Boris Johnson are still collecting this stipend today.

    For more read “The Special Relationship Between Blacks and Jews.” They don’t call the negroes proxy warriors for nothing.

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  206. Sparkon says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    The viral explanation has the same problem. It gets around it by postulating an earlier epidemic of the same bug a generation or so earlier that gave herd immunity to older people in 1918. Without historical evidence of such an epidemic, with similar levels of mortality, such a hypothesis is little more than hand waving.

    It’s fairly well established that there were influenza pandemics in 1889-90, the so-called “Russian flu,” or “Asiatic flu,” and again in 1899-1900, although the underlying infectious agents have not yet been identified with absolute certainty.

    During the so-called Swine flu pandemic in 2009, also caused by an H1N1 virus, it was noted that the disease seemed to infect younger people disproportionately:

    The US Centre for Disease and Control Prevention (CDC) estimated that 150, 000 to 575,000 people died from (H1N1) pandemic virus infection in the first year of the outbreak.

    80% of the virus-related deaths were estimated to occur in those <65 years of age.

    In seasonal influenza epidemics, about 70% to 90% of deaths occur in people ≥65.

    By contrast, this H1N1 pandemic caused most of its severe or fatal disease in younger people, both those with chronic conditions as well as healthy persons, and caused many more cases of viral pneumonia than is normally seen with seasonal influenza.

    Probably all patients whose symptoms or tests indicated bacterial pneumonia during the Swine flu pandemic were treated with antibiotics, which were not available during the Spanish flu pandemic in 1918-1919.

    In any event, there were influenza pandemics in 1957, the “Asian flu,” and again in 1968 with the “Hong Kong flu.”

    The subsequent 1968 influenza pandemic—or “Hong Kong flu” or “Mao flu” as some western tabloids dubbed it—would have an even more dramatic impact, killing more than 30 000 individuals in the UK and 100 000 people in the USA, with half the deaths among individuals younger than 65 years—the reverse of COVID-19 deaths in the current pandemic.

    — The Lancet

    In most otherwise “healthy” people, a regimen of antibiotics will deliver a knockout blow to a bacterial infection. Unfortunately, incorrectly prescribed and unwise over-application of antibiotics (against viral infections) has given rise to bacteria with resistance to common antibiotics like penicillin.

    Beyond that, antibiotics may also destroy bacteria that are not harmful, and may be beneficial. There is an entire universe of microorganisms alive in each of us. It’s been estimated that up to 100 trillion microorganisms comprise the human microbiota, with most of it being intestinal bacteria living in the gut.

    When we are healthy, those microorganisms co-exist in some kind of symbiotic relationship, or balance, which, when disrupted, may lead to disease.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  207. @Ugetit

    Step one, legislate that a corporation is not a person. Step two, break up all past mergers.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  208. Alfred says:
    @Priss Factor

    Masks are great for the dental industry

    And the dementia industry.

    Oral bacteria may be responsible for Alzheimer’s disease

  209. @Mark Tapley

    Thanks for the Docerty and Humphries references, Mark.

    So, “democracy” means government run by Jews? WOW!!!

    What are the tricks that have given the eternal “victims” their disproportionate wealth and so their disproportionate power? Can’t they be investigated and prosecuted?

    Now thinking about Esther, it seems to me that the law making Jews non-citizens should also require a Jew to bow to every Gentile he meets in the street.

    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
  210. @Sparkon

    It’s fairly well established that there were influenza pandemics in 1889-90, the so-called “Russian flu,” or “Asiatic flu,” and again in 1899-1900, although the underlying infectious agents have not yet been identified with absolute certainty.

    The only relevance of these pandemics would be to establish that the older groups in the 1918 population were immune by virtue of being exposed to the same strain of the virus previously. The epidemic in 1899 would by 1918 have protected most everyone older than about 20 equally. I rather doubt the age distribution of American soldiers, at least, was much weighted to the under 20s.

    All three epidemics were thought to be caused by different subtypes of the virus. So even the 1889 pandemic would have limited relevance unless natural immunity gives more widespread protection than vaccine immunity, which gives haphazard protection from even year-to-year changes within the same subtype:

    it was thought that the 1889–1890 pandemic was caused by Influenza A subtype H2, the 1898–1900 epidemic by subtype H3, and the 1918 pandemic by subtype H1.[16] With the confirmation of H1N1 as the cause of the 1918 flu pandemic following identification of H1N1 antibodies in exhumed corpses,[16] reanalysis of seroarcheological data suggested Influenza A subtype H3 (possibly the H3N8 subtype) as a more likely cause for the 1889–1890 pandemic.[8][16]

    Such cross-immunity is often postulated but its existence is still quite speculative and hypothetical.

    The 1918 subtype (H1N1) is formally the same as the common seasonal flu, which does limit its lethal effects to the old and infirm even though everyone goes through a period of life uninitiated to the virus and therefore presumably susceptible to its full virulence when first encountered. No obvious structural difference appear to have been found to account for an increased virulence in the 1918 strain, and the establishment’s confidence in cross-immunity is somewhat belied by their recommendations to get vaccinated every year.

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  211. Willow says:

    in 1918, antibiotics hadn’t been invented yet, so it’s not surprising that the majority died from bacterial pneumonia. Pneumonia is a complication of many diseases, including the flu, measles, chicken pox, even a common cold, etc. Today, it is standard of care that doctors prescribe antibiotics for pneumonia, whether viral or bacterial.

  212. Another book on detailing the United States abject servitude to the Zionist network and it’s focal point, the strategic bridgehead of Palestine (Israel) is “Guilt By Association” by Jeff Gates and also “Against Our Better Judgment” by Alison Weir.


    For many years now the Presidential puppet actors, government operatives and MSM have thrown around the word “democracy”. This is not from ignorance but rather a deliberate attack on what is left of the American Republic and western civilization. The word democracy does not occur in either companion document Then Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. That is because the founders considered it as the worst form of government always leading to chaos, then tyranny. Madison stated: “democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; . . . incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in their deaths.”

    The book by Docerty provides a detailed analysis of the Anglo Zionist network and their step by step actions to create the most critical event of the 20th century that laid the foundation for where we are today.

    Dr. Humphries pulls back the curtain of deceit and exposes the real and fraudulent history of the vaccine scam. The elites with their control of government, Big Pharma and the medical establishment have painted a Potemkin village of vaccine success to cover a trail of injury, damaged immune systems, permanent disability unheard of before and death that have effected millions of lives. Humphries goes to the real data, not the fake numbers the CDC -WHO have been fabricating for years. Another source that should be included are the books by the very skilled writer Forest Maready. Want to known the truth about polio, autism, neurological damage and other vaccine issues the media is carful to hide, then check out his books and videos. The Zionist syndicate has accomplished a level of conditioning and control they were unable to with the environmental frauds like global warming. The fear of a nonexistent virus is causing the cattle to give up all their liberties.

    Most people just go about their lives from day to day and are basically honest. However there are people who are evil. There are many individuals and groups that conspire to do evil for material gain. Throughout history there have been individuals, organized groups, families, tribes and syndicates that do not want to compete in the marketplace but rather want society to work for them. The difference is in the degree of accomplishment. What is usually termed Zionism is in the same category as the others, but has achieved success on a global scale that makes the rest of them look like local hoodlums.

    The Jews have been money lenders (bankers of the day) from ancient times. This has given them an advantageous position. By 1690 they had achieved financial prominence in Britain and by using their control of the bank of England (along with marriages into the aristocracy) began to immerse the country into a continuous stream of war and subsequent interest to the bankers. None of this could have been accomplished without Gentile help. The Anglo Zionists had their own ax to grind but it merged well with those of the Zionist Jews.

    In the mid 1800’s Rabbi Moses Hess formulated Revised Judaism which called for a policy of nationalism. Financed by the Rothschilds and promoted by Hertzel (until he became a liability) this philosophy provided (as intended) the foundation and blueprint for todays push for global hegemony and even gave the Khazars a phony legitimacy in their claim for “The Homeland” even though they were not even semitic. This fraud along with the Holohoax narrative (pushed since before the first world war) generated a more favorable spin on their invasion (enabled by the British in WW1) murder, occupation and displacement of the native property owners.

    The Zionist Jews along with the Anglo Zionists set out to gain Palestine as their bridgehead for future
    strategic advantage that is still critical today. I almost forgot. The son of the chief Rabbi of Rome wrote a book in which he acknowledged that in the Middle Ages during the Jew’s Feast of Purim (back to Ester) they would kidnap and sacrifice Gentile boys. This was what caused them to be evicted from
    England in 1290, not just their predatory financial practices as has been alleged. This post was longer than expected but maybe it will provoke some areas for investigation. Thanks for your reply. I would have hit the agree button on one of your previous comments but Unz is not allowing access. I guess I am on the wrong side of the ideological fence.

    Best regards, Mark

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    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
    , @Schuetze
  213. @Mark Tapley

    Previous post is reply to Ann Nonny Mouse

  214. @Godfree Roberts

    Surprised at such a response from you, Godfree Roberts.
    You seem to attribute low Covid rates to mask wearing.

    But among other things, orientals tend to have a far lower rate of obesity, and obesity is one of the predictors of mortality from Covid.

    Orientals tend to eat a different diet, weighted toward items from the earth whose properties are identified in terms of their impact on the human organism.

    Orientals have a radically different myth system, consequentially, different form of social organization.

    Your ascription “imbecile / not imbecile” fails to account for any of these differences.

    Authentic “science” does not accept vague correlations that fail to test variables and formulate alternate hypotheses.

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  215. @Peripatetic Itch

    >new york times link

    The entire world got sick in 1918. The entire world wasn’t handing out aspirin to people. Do you think the many poor people in 1918 in Nigeria and India were taking aspirin? This theory is garbage, sorry.

  216. @Thedeadlyjuice

    The entire world got sick in 1918.

    No doubt. The aspirin-overdose theory presumes that. What it is trying to explain is the excessive mortality among young adults from the disease.

    You have not cited a whit of evidence about that mortality from Nigeria or India. Even less about the age distribution of that mortality.

    Even today no one seems to trust any data coming from those countries. Nigeria, at least, is among those reporting low mortality from Covid19. Does the NYT believe it. Don’t think so. Do you? Didn’t think so.

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  217. Schuetze says:

    The entire world in 1918 was a gigantic jewish playground. In China, in India, in Russia, across all of Europe and America, in all the ex-colonies of Spain and Portugal in South America, and in South Africa and all the British colonies the jews had set up secret societies and their own special nepotistic system of usury.

    The way the entire world got simultaneously sick from the “second wave” in November 1918 at the same time as the judeo-communists mounted their bolschevic world revolution just as the exhausted European powers capitulated to the artificially “hidden hand” created world war was clearly no mere co-incidence.

    I sincerely doubt that millions of people died in Nigeria in November 1918.

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  218. Schuetze says:

    Then, the frosting on the cake that was just as the gigantic shit storm of 1918 was hitting the entire planet, in the midst of the maelstrom of the destruction of centuries of European and Islamic civilization and empires, came the secret Balfour declaration.

    Now, if we stand back and consider this new Climate Justice Covid Pandemic Great Reset and compare Versailles 1919 “Peace for All Time” to the CV19 “Great Reset”, the Talmudic fingerprints and lies become inescapable. All but the greatest of fools or the greatest of liars cannot ignore that the secret Kushner middle east peace plan has come to life and the world is being confronted with Eretz Israel and the Third Temple to Solomon.

    I love how economists and other scientific brainiacs love to blabber on about “cycles” when they cannot recognize cycles of Jewish genocide when it is bitch slapping them across the face.

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  219. It is no longer a secret. The Rockefeller Foundation in cahoots with the US Army force vaccinated our troops, who then went to Europe, where they infected many others, and the sick returned to the states, where the disease made its rounds. Horses figure in the testing as healthy beasts were given feed bags full of mucous from sick horses. That was the animal testing for the vaccine. Very similar to the polio vaccine studies at Tulane University in the 1950s. Where they would inject mucous from sick monkeys directly into the brains of healthy ones, through incisions in their skull. The stories are out there, though well hidden. The entire history of vaccines reads like a long horror story. Ask Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein. Or read “Dr. Mary’s Monkey” The Story of The Polio Vaccine. Mary’s are unrelated.

  220. @Peripatetic Itch

    Hello Itch: It is clear that you know more about the medical aspects of this viral business than anyone on this site (especially me) but I have some speculations and would appreciate your opinion. We have both noted from antidotal observations of the time that the extreme overuse of the new drug panacea of aspirin probably killed many.

    It is also known that at this time the Rockefeller consortium was pushing allopathic treatment on all of the medical establishment and conducting polio (which was not a disease but rather just a list of symptoms) experimentation adjacent to where an outbreak of polio like conditions occurred. I believe they and others realized the potential not only for profit but also control of society early on with the use of medical propaganda in conjunction with the introduction vaccines as a conditioning and control mechanism to be used on what the elite perceive to be just livestock on the farm.

    The Rockefeller’s fellow socio-economic aristocrat dynasty the Morgan interests had by this time already bought up the editorial opinion of the 20 most influential news papers in the country in order to lobby for war with Germany. Docerty in his book relates that just from records from the newly established IRS (unconstitutionally pushed through by this same group) 21,000 Americans became millionaires or billionaires as a result of the WW1 conflict.

    It is well documented that about this time many elites including the Rockefellers, Bush family and the widow of E.H. Harriman began the Eugenics program in the U.S. in which ap. 50,000 people were sterilized by the various State gov. participating in this eugenics fantasy held by the aristocracy and directed exclusively at the masses on the lower rungs of society. The Supreme Court case involving the unfortunate teenager Carrie Buck and the spurious remarks of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes set the context for this elitist social experiment. This travesty is all documented in Edwin Black’s book “War Against The Weak.” The Rockefeller’s also established The Kaiser Wilhelm Inst. in Germany for the purpose of eugenics in 1927. This was of course after WW1 but since the Zionists had funded and controlled the war (as they have done ever since) I believe that not only most of Europe but also Germany most likely had access to the toxic (as are all of them) vaccine. During the war Zionist operative Herbert Hoover used the facade of “Belgium Relief” to supply food supplies to the Germans in order to keep them in the war. It is believed that the British Nurse Edith Cavell had written her mother to expose what was going on and as a result had to be eliminated using a very suspicious and unusual trial followed by execution.

    I mentioned all of this to show that it would be very easy then as now to hype up any proposed illness. I believe that the controlled media was throwing every death possible in the bucket as we know they are now while the overall mortality is relatively unchanged. One of my friends had a brother-in-law with type 2 diabetes (blood glucose running around 700) he then died of a brain hemorrhage. Cause of death covid 19. The last factor I question in this “great pandemic” is of course the vaccine. Contaminated with animal substrates and no doubt other foreign proteins and toxins from multiple sources, then injected into the victim bypassing their normal immune system just as with vaccines of today it is a disaster ready to happen. It was reported that some soldiers (healthy young men) collapsed upon getting the shot and quite a few died. As I understand it (correct me if wrong) viruses (assuming they even exist rather than just protein particles or other debris) are constantly mutating or else the body’s defense system would wipe them out. If that is the case then how can a supposed vaccine be effective against them?

    After languishing for many years and going nowhere in their “War on cancer” fauci and crew were saved by the invention of the phony AIDS “epidemic” as exposed by top retrovirus expert Dr. Peter Deuberg and the inventor of the PCR test (conveniently deceased) Kary Mullis. The long planned covid 19, preceded by several other fake flus and their debilitating and deadly vaccines is a huge success for the Zionist elites and their program for total control. This medical fraud looks to be the perfect tool( along with another contrived conflict) to finally drive the herd into Agenda 2030-21.

    • Thanks: TheTrumanShow
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  221. @Mark Tapley

    Thanks, and thanks also for the links to Herbert Hoover’s Belgian Relief, which led me back to these gems:

    The fundamental problem in war history, … lies in the fact that it is underpinned by primary sources which are unreliable – not least because so many have been systematically destroyed, falsified, altered, misrepresented, hidden or ‘lost’.

    It is evident that falsification of the history of the twentieth century has involved a wide range of nefarious subterfuge.

    If Orwell’s aphorism holds true it is imperative that we revise the entire historical record of the twentieth century. It may already be too late, but we have to dispel pessimism to stand any chance of taking control of our own future.

    I think we are on the same page, at least in our basic approach to history. As I see it, Orwell was writing forbidden history, not science fiction, that was verging on outing his controllers. Much like the film The Matrix, fiction was the only way he felt he could reveal what he (or his wife) found in the British archives relating to the British world-war narratives. My personal suspicion is that he was unceremoniously offed shortly thereafter in revenge, and the narrative of his tuberculosis juiced up as a cover, much like Kary Mullis, as you suggest.

    it would be very easy then as now to hype up any proposed illness.

    History and disease are definitely two of the main ways we can be controlled. With disease there can be several motives at work. It could be the huge profits that can be seen by the Big Pharma producers of drugs or vaccines. It may be that a real disease was caused by a major screw-up involving some toxic chemical, drug or whatever. Or it may be to generate fear in the population. Combinations of motives are quite common.

    So the prevalence of the disease can be manipulated during an purported epidemic to make it seem worse than it is. It can be manipulated when a purported cure is put in place. Or a vaccine, say, may be marketed to cover the surreptitious removal of the toxic chemical and thereby preempt lawsuits.

    Neil Ferguson has of course been in the news with his computer models of Covid19 predicting humongous numbers of deaths if we didn’t lock down. Ferguson was also the author of a similar prediction, made back about 2002, that Britain could expect 150,000 deaths from Mad Cow (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) by now. That estimate proved somewhat overblown as at last check I found they had had only about 75 cases! Popper might have considered that a falsification of something or other, but that concept is not permitted these days, in such circumstances.

    The prion theory for Mad Cow and CJD was developed to explain the outbreak. but Somerset farmer Mark Purdey had another explanation:

    “Mark Purdey observed that the UK’s Mad Cow outbreak immediately followed the government’s attempt to eradicate the parasite warble fly from cattle. Most farmers were required to treat their cows’ spines and skulls with Phosmet, an organophosphate pesticide. Because Purdey was an organic farmer, he obtained special permission to avoid treating his cattle. He then observed that his neighbors’ treated herds went on to contract Mad Cow Disease (BSE), whereas Purdey’s untreated herds did not. Purdey also had purchased a non-organic herd which had been treated with Phosmet before he acquired it. That particular herd also went on to develop Mad Cow Disease.”

    Following Purdey, we might consider the prion theory to be a liability-squelching maneuver. The payout could have broken the economy of course. As far as today’s situation goes, it suggests we really can’t be sure about what’s going on. Covid19 could just be an accidental release of a virus that was being researched for vaccine-development purposes. Without documents, we won’t know who was responsible. The mortality debate may just be a distraction. If the virus was weaponized the sterility effect may be the key issue. With fear and control a subsidiary motive.

    Fauci was the one who, in the HIV/AIDS crisis, pushed the narrative that the disease was going to spread into the heterosexual population. That distracted us from the AZT-toxicity issue.

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  222. Thank you for the link noting that circumstantial evidence is often the best evidence. Napoleon said “history are lies agreed upon.” It’s no wonder the Zionists always control the narrative and make sure it is presented and constantly repeated from the beginning of every contrived situation. Obama’s Chief of Staff, Emanuel Rohm (one of over 300 Jews in the puppet actor Obama’s administration) stated “never let a crisis go to waste. ” Another canard meant to mislead the goyim because he was well aware that as puppet FDR said “in politics nothing is an accident. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way.” The Zionists with their Jew MSM have all 6 major news corporations in their pocket and you can be sure that anyone getting a lot of exposure is an operative. Alternative information rarely sees daylight unless it is presented as a method to disparage anyone who opposes the “official narrative” usually presenting them as a nutcase (as with those who oppose vaccination) or in many cases employing their own agents to fabricate a crisis as in staged incidents like Los Vegas, Sandy Hook, the recent BLM riots or as is illustrated by one of the most effective false flags, the Sharon Tate murders with the actor Charles Manson and co. to disparage the anti-war movement.

    Primary sources are easily faked just like it is easy to fake a virus. Especially when they have a fake test to go with it and the CDC-WHO shilling for the big Pharma racket. One of the fake hijackers passports was found in the rubble at the 911 site. Millions of tons of cement was pulverized and huge steel beams cut in two (in the appropriate lengths) yet this paper document survived. His rug knife was not recovered however. Further evidence found close by was a jet engine supposed to be from one of the fake airliners. Only problem is they planted the wrong style engine.

    I had always suspected the Mad Cow disease as being another fraud but was not aware that the governments had caused it like all the other problems. This is similar to the problems caused by the neurotoxin DDT that was sprayed everywhere and was one of the factors that led to the polio symptoms. The media and government have also acted as fronts for the big grain companies ever since the days of Ansel Keys and his fraudulent lipid hypothesis that led to the high carb. low fat, whole grain diets while demonizing the saturated fats and high protein that people had traditionally eaten before the epidemic of diabetes and heart attacks became prevalent.

    The Zionists always keep some kind of “crisis” before the goyim at all times so as to make them think they need the wise and benevolent authorities looking over them like a Shepard does his sheep. To the elites however most of the livestock are as the aristocrat Bertrand Russel ( founding member of Fabian Socialist Society) called them, just useless eaters. The vaccine scam is highly profitable for the insiders while at the same time a superb method to condition the barnyard animals for more controls.

    The reporter Jon Rappaport has followed these virus scam for many years. He says that the elites use the same program to push all of them. In one of his articles he uses the Swine flu as a typical example. He says that it is very unlikely that there was any attempt to weaponize anything because viruses are unstable, hard to manage and are always mutating. The leading export on retro-viruses including HIV, Dr. Peter Duesberg and friend of Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCP test said that AIDS was fake. He also stated that the former failed cancer drug AZT terminated the action of the DNA and would kill everyone who took it. As to how long it would take was just a matter of the dosage.

    At the end of WW1 Rothschild operative Herbert Hoover had ap. 50 people roaming all over Europe to retrieve every possible primary source document available. The official Zionist narrative is the only one permitted. It is the same for the 1918 Pandemic. We will never know the whole story, only the approved version. As a former CIA director was quoted as saying “we will know we have succeeded when everything they believe is a lie.” Of course I would have hit the thanks button on your post but the Unz Nomenklotura are treating me like a negro at a white nationalist rally.

    • Agree: JasonT
  223. Pediatric MD does 10 year study of vaccinated patients vs. unvaccinated: Has license revoked for revealing shocking truth:

    Video Link

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
  224. @GeeBee

    You “have me down as hasbara”? You’re an embarassment.

  225. DrWatson says:

    Duprex shared a tweet pointing to an article about a researcher (probly his own) whose thoughts are rather revealing re:the covid-19 pandemic:

    “As a virologist and a scientist, going through the pandemic phase is extremely thrilling,” he said. “It’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Sometimes it feels like it’s too much. But it’s beneficial for me as a scientist, and I know I am doing this for a good cause.”

    Scary, eh?

    I cannot be more proud of Sham @nambulli … the @TribLIVE team captured the real you … if you watch one “vaccine thing” please watch this video, Niki, the kids, the coloring, the science, the passion delighted to share in the adventure in @PittCVR-land!— Paul Duprex (@10queues) December 18, 2020

  226. @Peripatetic Itch

    Hey Itch #226 is reply -guess I didn’t hit the reply button.

    best regards, Mark

  227. @Schuetze

    Not very many academics, virologists or medical personnel will risk opposing the Zionist syndicate and it’s Jew MSM. Big Pharma controls the medical racket, and The Jew organizations control congress and academia. Earlier this year some of the college professors were starting get out of line and speak out against the Khazar occupation and murder of the Palestinians so shabbos goy cheerleader puppet actor Trump invoked an unconstitutional executive order forbidding anti-semitism (free speech) on college campuses.

    We can’t have “anti-semitism” but its ok for Trump’s Chabad Lubavitch (worlds most racist organization) son-in-law (along with the Shiksa Princess) to represent Jewmerica to the world. Now the Zionist syndicate is placing long time senile self proclaimed Zionist Biden into the top shabbos goy puppet actor position as the goyim continue to be herded on down the road to the big Agenda 2030-21 plantation.

  228. @Larry Romanoff

    I agree with much of what you wrote… But my ancestors left Guangdong because of the British – not “the Jews”. But much of what you write is true.

  229. Schuetze says:
    @Mark Tapley

    “the foundation and blueprint for todays push for global hegemony and even gave the Khazars a phony legitimacy in their claim for “The Homeland” even though they were not even semitic.”

    I agree that in the years since the theft of Palestine the Ashkenazi have usurped control of “Judea”. Duing the post WWII years they also terrorized the Sephardic jews in order to cooerce them into migrating to Israel.

    What I cannot understand is why the Sephardim do not react and resist this complete take over of what should be their religion. Perhaps it is just typical jewish greed and hatred of Goyim, but still I would expect some kind push back, perhaps even some kind of effort for the Sephardim to try to take the “good jew” high ground. Yet I see nothing.

    Do you have any thoughts on this Mark Tapley?

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  230. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Post 216 is reply, again I evidently failed to hit reply button.

    Best regards, Mark

  231. @Schuetze

    The plan to control the strategic bridgehead of Palestine had been in the works since at least the mid 1800’s when the Rothschilds tried to buy large areas from the Ottoman Turks and according to newspaper reports of the time did in fact buy Jerusalem. This may not be true but we know that the Turks refused to sell them an adequate amount of land to get their nose in the door. The plan that succeeded with the Balfour Treaty of 1918 was agreed to by then P.M. Author Balfour and Jew leader Chaim Wiseman in 1907 long before the Zionists were able to implement the long planned WW1.

    From this early period going back to Jabatinsky and the Crypto Jews including Mustafa Kemal involved in subverting the decaying Ottoman Empire, murdering and starving over million Armenians who were an obstacle to the Rothschilds Caspian oil field venture, and finally the destruction of the cosmopolitan city of Smyrna in 1921. The Khazars (Ashkenazi) who constitute over 90% of the Jews today were the primary force. These eastern “Jews” were the driving force at the Zionist Convention in 1897 when the goal of obtaining the Area of Palestine was made official. At this time the percentage of Jews in Palestine amounted to about 3 or 4% of the native population, the rest being Arabs. They got along well and everyone there was opposed to the Khazar Jews coming in.

    Britain, dominated by the Jews (married into the aristocracy) financially since ap. 1690 allowed the Khazar thugs to gain a foothold. Without the British army they would have all been killed or driven out from the beginning. The Khazar thugs faced two big problems. They needed their own military in order to drive out the native Palestinians and to later attack theirArab neighbors and they needed a lot more Jews to come and live (occupy the land) they were going to steal. The problem was that very few Jews wanted to leave the European cities and go squabble with the Arabs in the desert. During the 20’s and 30’s in some years more left than came in. The NAZI’s and Zionist Jews Havara Agreement brought in lots of people while almost all the Zionist controlled governments assisted in getting them into Palestine by refusing the Jewish immigration during the war. The Zionist manufactured USSR supplied lots of military equipment during the war and after 1947 Jewmerica became the primary simp (today 11 million per day) for the Khazar thugs.

    When the temple, sacrifice and priesthood were destroyed in 70AD as prophesied by Christ, the lineage was also destroyed. The Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic connection to the scion Abraham and none can be verified for the Sephardic Jews either. We know that a great many if not almost all of the remaining Jews in the Palestine area were killed during the crusades. Of the people remaining today it is more likely that the Native Palestinians would stand a better chance of being a descendant of the Biblical Jews than anyone else. The Rabbi’s have always tried to keep the herd separated from all other nationalities and races ever since they were brought together under the Law of Moses. Had it not been for this they would have been assimilated into other groups completely by the early 20th century.

    In the mid 1800’s Rabbi Moses Hess founded Reform Judaism with the goal of establishing a national
    identity we refer to as Zionism with the goal of a Jewish State. Since then the leaders of the Zionist movement have used the common Jews, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic as cannon fodder in their agenda much as the Union Army in the War of Northern Aggression used the negroes. Their are for instance, both groups of Jews at the top echelons of power that fund the fake Dem. and Rep. parties and run the MSM and “entertainment” industries. There is no schism between them.

    The Zionists have used religion just as they have antisemitism and the phony holohoax to further their agenda of destroying all the countries and replacing them with a global totalitarian system. Since they have long controlled the media it was easy for them to put up religious charlatans such as Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Joh Hagee. It was easy to create the shyster Cyrus Scofield as the “author” of the Scofield Bible and fool all the Christian Zionists idiots who are to stupid to read the Bible for themselves. This religious scam was another brilliant move that has gained the Zionists many millions of dollars and lots of votes. It should be noted that without Gentile help none of this could have transpired. I have not dealt here with the specifics of the Zionist agenda but will close by stating that the fake virus, fake test, fake numbers and highly profitable fake vaccine are just the latest installment of the global Zionist Agenda.

  232. @SolontoCroesus

    The figures given by all gov. agencies anywhere are bogus as they are just throwing everything in the same bucket. The initial reports hyped from Italy at the beginning of the fake virus are proof. when those who had died of “covid 19” and were autopsied, it was revealed that 99% had previous medical problems including terminal cancer, kidney failure and heart disease. Average age was 69.5 and later over 70.

    This is the only way a fake disease that has never been purified, isolated nor identified can be used. This is exactly the same technique used to push the phony AIDS “epidemic” and the series of fake flus promoted by Fauci and the CDC drug co. leading up to the present fraud. The main difference is that in this latest hoax sprung now due to the fiscal need of the banking cartel’s corporate cronies on Wall Street, the fake virus narrative is now supercharged with the fake PCR test enabled by the convenient death of it’s inventor (Mullis) who stated that the test was useless as a diagnostic tool. Mullis along with leading retrovirus authority Peter Duesburg also exposed the AIDS fraud perpetrated by theses same criminals.

    The tactics used to in this medical fraud are not new. The same tactics were used all the way back to the 1918 “flu.” The elites now have more power and better media control and the fake test and have enhanced their medical “jargon” and reporting to confuse the goyim more but it is really the same program.

    There is no new virus from Wuhan or falling from the sky but only the same Zionist syndicate at work. The same criminals that push all the other frauds such as global warming, WMD’s, did 911, acid rain, peak oil, mercury in the oceans, Boston bombing, Los Vegas, staged riots and I could name lots more. This is all to condition the cattle to give up their liberties and look to the syndicate and its operatives for guidance. Today people should revolt against this massive medical fraud, remove the face diapers and go about their business as usual. The parasitic elites would have no power over productive societies if people would only use common sense and resist this imposition of global tyranny.

    As a side note obesity is not a good indicator of overall health, although the fake virus scam may employe it. For instance the rate of type 2 diabetes among the Japanese per capita is higher than in Jewmerica. Since orientals as a whole tend to not have the adipose cell deposits of other ethnic groups they don’t tend to become obese although eating a high carbohydrate diet similar to most westerners. India has a similar situation.

  233. @Ugetit

    Greetings Ugetit: The war against Japan was instigated to get them out of China so the the communists could be installed without having to worry about Japanese interference. That was the reason for the naval base at Pearl Harbor. The Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Richardson told Zionist puppet FDR that the base served no practical purpose and was merely a target for the Japanese. Of course that was the whole idea so Richardson was fired. The Japanese had been active in Manchuria for over 50 years and would use any force they could to oppose communist encroachment. By moving against the Japanese and using FDR’s 10 point plan to instigate war this also protected the propped up Soviet “eastern” Zionist empire” from an attack by the Japanese. The Russians after being badly beaten in the 1905 Russo – Japanese War (Japanese greatly aided by Jew banker Jacob Schiff) were wary of the Japanese.

    The Russians entered the War against Japan two weeks before the end of the war (Japan had been trying to surrender for 6 months). This was so that they could be portrayed as allies and the Korean conflict could be set up. Part of this involved giving 50 ship loads of material to the Russians to aid in establishing the phony N. Korea and help the backward Chinese appear as a dangerous enemy. McArthur under U.N. (Zionist bankers) authority was handicapped in every way possible. When he dealt the communists a stunning defeat without relaying plans to the top, Zionist puppet Truman fired him. Read “The Hidden History of the Korean War” by Stone and “How the Far East Was Lost” by Kubek.

  234. Athena says:

    It was the same with the railroads in both Canada and the US, where (as with the HSBC bank) the names were Scottish but the money was all Jewish, and countless thousands of Chinese were kidnapped and sent to North America to build the railroads for their Jewish friends – after which most were massacred.

    That’s absolutely disgusting.

    In the following video on coal mines in Scotland, Lockfauld (e.g., the ”SHANGHI or Shangie” village, in the 1850’s), I wonder if London used Chinese slaves, along with the Irish and Scottish poors kept in abject poverty, living in miserable barracks and not helped whenever a mine crumbled upon them.

  235. Skeptikal says:

    “Anti vaccination liberals”

    Unh . . . ???

  236. Skeptikal says:
    @Mark Tapley

    Mark Tapley stated up-thread:
    “Founders of Harvard and Brown Universities are examples [of opium dealers, slave dealers, etc.].”

    Tapley then cites Royall as a founder of Harvard University because he contributed land to create the Harvard Law School. Royall did contribute land, but in the 18th century.
    He was not a founder of Harvard University.
    Wrong century, laddie.
    Harvard College was founded in 1636.
    As I pointed out earlier.
    Look up “to found.”

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  237. @Peripatetic Itch

    There are reports from most countries world wide about excessive deaths in 1918-1919. Poor undeveloped countries are hard to find data for. Likely the data we need might not even exist.

    Covid is not causing excess deaths, so it’s a fake pandemic. I believe a real pandemic happened in 1918 because of primitive vaccines. SV40 virus was given to nearly all of the children that received early polio vaccinations. It’s possible that horse vaccine caused a new virus to infect humans.

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  238. @Ugetit

    I find your joining of “the war on Japan” with “protecting trade,including the opium trade as well” quite bewildering. When, by whom, what opium trade? I suppose if you think FDR really started the war on Japan in 1941 that must mean it was American trade being somehow “protected” (it couldn’t have been British or French trade) and it would be interesting if you could quote figures, not least for any residual opium trade. But it sounds bizarre to me.

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  239. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Are you perhaps failing to distinguish corporate personality and the limited liability which commonly is an attribute, though not always?

  240. @Larry Romanoff

    Have a look at this (transcript) as you are feeling modest about your medical and scientific expertise.

    Dr Norman Swan’s excellent programs have now been extended to Canada as well, (Don’t tell anyone on this thread but Norman’s Glaswegian voice conceals the identity of the ocean spanning Jew).

    I had intended it for Ron Unz but came up with this thread first and, perhaps significantly , Ron isn’t on it.

    No mention of the interesting theory of aspirin as poison but there is a possible explanation of the heavy impact on the young. Without anyone saying “cytokine storm” it is suggested that runaway inflammation and resulting failed lung function might have been connected to the young’s immune systems hitting their peaks.

  241. @Skeptikal

    Wikipedia says his donation was an an important contribution toward the founding of the Harvard Law School and his family seal was used as it’s insignia until recently. In most peoples opinion that would qualify this Jew slave trader as an important figure in the history of this investment corporation that also is involved in education.

  242. Very interesting thread. Like to thank all contributors as well as Larry Romanoff for starting the discussion.

    My contribution would be to ask those interested to read the CDC website about how US researchers flew to Alaska to dig up frozen corpses who were victims of the 1918 pandemic. The samples were harvested and brought back to US laboratories and have been used for “research” since.

    Also described were various containment breaches where samples melted and spilled on the journey back, the usual stuff that happens all the time.

  243. @Schuetze

    Don’t forget well poisoning in the Middle Ages. Perhaps they had something to do with the various Roman plagues as well.

  244. @Frank j

    Imo the Jewish “people” started as bands of outcast criminals who went around robbing and raping until the proceeds from this activity inevitably made them a people. The Romans have a similar origin. This is why their Holy Land is in the most deserted and inhospitable place possible. Like road agents who escape into the wilderness they go where no civilized man wants to go.

    And their religion is tailored to keep the scheme going. Inbreeding sure, but they also offer a deal that is very attractive to psychopaths and other anti humans. Be loyal to other Jews and you can have all the fun you want with the non Jews. Likewise you can say the mafia doesn’t have so many criminals because they are Italian. It’s because they are the mafia. Someone should tell them they will be much more succesful criminals if they convert to Judaism.

  245. gnbRC says:

    And of course, the reason the Spanish flu didn’t affect China was because all Chinese had already been infected and were immune …

    I had studied Mr Romanov’s subject (re. Rockefeller Spanish Flu …) earlier this summer and likewise was intrigued. It’s difficult to say what the truth is, regardless of the brutality of the Rockefeller organization’s method of creating the vaccines in live horses then injecting the blood extracts into humans … (what could possible go wrong?) This being said, there is an article that informs the Ft Riley sickness actually began in Haskell, KS and not as a result of the Rockefeller organization shenanigans, and so there’s perhaps some reason to continue investigation.

    We are, of course, ‘told’ that our influenza epidemics begin in SE Asia/China. I don’t know of any proof of this concept, especially considering the dreadful efficacy of the the allopathic flu jabs. Even so, given the Rockefeller orgs sordid history involvement, why wouldn’t we think that they are involved in ‘spreading’ the ‘virus’ for monetary purposes and support of the [mind-shaping] allopathic medical/toxin system (which obviously is seriously flawed even by NIH review of the effects of the Flexner Report, which started it all). And after all, like and organization with money, they would definitely pay to keep their dirty works out of the mainstream media.

    So, given this background, I’m currently studying Cowan & Morell’s THE CONTAGION MYTH, whose premise here is that there are no identifiable ‘viruses’ but rather terrain (i.e. environmental) electrical effects that cause the symptoms of viruses. Historically, the authors make a good point informing the rise of ‘pandemic disease’ with the gradual rises of the electrification of the environment (beginning in the WWI military radio rollouts preceding the appearance of the ‘Spanish Flu’ through the current 5G rollout preceding the current ‘COVID pandemic’ (Chapter 2, Electricity and Disease). It’s possible that local atmospheric electrical effects in Kansas initiated the disease – and also that sunspot related atmospheric electrical phenomena combined with radio rollout on the half of globe facing the sun at one particular time caused the outbreak. This seemingly would provide an explanation why the opposite side of the globe (e.g. China) didn’t experience the Spanish Flu. (Of course, correlation of the Spanish flu with electrical effects doesn’t necessarily imply causation, and also misses the point that magnetic effects accompany the electrical effects.)

    Another possible reason why China might not have experienced the Spanish flu would have to do with their medical system, which involves treating three hierarchical aspects of human sentience – these being the physical (Jing), the energy system (Qi), and finally the consciousness system (Shen) [… as opposed to the Rockefeller allopathic ‘man as physical object/machine model (Jing-only aspect of human sentience)]. Under the Chinese medical system, atmospheric electrical induction of the ‘flu’ would have been taken in stride as part of treatment of the electrical aspect (actually a little more complicated than this) of their medical system and thus the ‘disease’ would not have proliferated as it had in the West. Perhaps Chinese medical practice is worth investigating in this respect.

    So, it’s difficult to says why the Chinese didn’t experience the Spanish flu, but it seems there are avenues worth investigating – especially considering the current ‘COVID pandemic’, which seems to also highlight a failure of Western allopathic medicine.

  246. This is an interesting article that presents plausible historical facts. Not knowing much about these events, I’ll leave it at that for now, interesting and stimulating, pending further confirmation.

    However, there are two points that left me unconvinced.

    1. Just because the final phase of lethal infections from the “Spanish” flu involved bacteriae gives absolutely no indication as to the initial infection. Cov-sars-2, for example, breaks down the lung’s immunity to allow pharyngeal bacteriae and viruses into the lungs, causing pneumonia. (See At any rate, meningococcus does not cause pneumonia, so it remains to determine whether it facilitates opportunistic lung infection.

    2. The idea that the Chinese nationalist Chiang Kai-Shek would have provided Chinese slaves to the West defies belief and sounds more like Maoist propaganda than anything else.

  247. Peg B says: • Website
    @Jean-Marie L.

    You are citing Saker as proof of covid?
    There’s no proof that such an entity exists: no paper, no duplicated virus to exhibit, nothing.
    The “tell” of the covid troll is profuse use of “medical” terms to confuse people, when a simple explanation a high school student could grasp would work, if covid were real.

  248. Bite Moi says:

    I have heard that high dose aspirin use contributed to the high flu death rate.

  249. @Mark Tapley

    Have you heard of the difference between American Indians and Subcontinent Indians?

  250. @ivegotrythm

    Tou are saying something is obvious, but what? Are you agreeing that commenter ugetit has written and allowed to stand something so bizarre that he must have got into a complete muddle?

  251. Patz says:

    “,,, the Canadians had enough blah blah…” Boy that is rich. Kind of like saying that the southern slave holders had enough of slave lawlessness and brought in lynching.

  252. @Jean-Marie L.

    ” Cov-sars-2, for example, breaks down the lung’s immunity to allow pharyngeal bacteria and viruses into the lungs, causing pneumonia.”

    Sorry, but there is zero peer-revied proof of the existence of Cov-sars-2. So unicorns cannot be the cause of an initial infection.

  253. anarchyst says:
    @Jean-Marie L.

    “Pope” fauci did a study on the 1918 flu “pandemic” approximately 4 years ago and came up with the conclusion that it was “mask-wearing” that was the cause of bacterial pneumonia which was responsible for 95% of all deaths. Restricting one’s own exhalations is not only hazardous, it is dangerous and will lead to unneeded deaths.

  254. Penelope says:

    Two add’l points:
    –There was a Congressional inquiry/hearings that established Rockefeller responsibility, but he was so powerful that there was no consequence to him. I cannot remember whether the responsibility tied to him was for the origin of the “flu”, or merely for the murderous method in which the newly discovered aspirin was used in treatment.
    –Aspirin was massively overdosed and it was established that Rockefeller operatives/interests were aware of the lethality of high-dose aspirin.

    I wish I could recall more. I believe that Daniel Estulin may be knowledgeable concerning this.

  255. @AnonHandle

    Some of the slave trading families are still around and very wealthy. Any reperations have to come from. the estates of these families.

    Such names need to be public knowledge.

  256. the Hakka Chinese have much to hide from their dark side in their long history which most Chinese, anti-communist or pro-communist, forbid from talking in public. Hakka Chinese are like the joos of China. very liberal and outgoing compared to other Chinese clans. they collaborated with Western drug lords (Sassoon, Rothschild etc) in helping spread opium throughout Asia and the rest of the world in the past. that is why the Triads exists because of those rivalries = gang wars. they are probably everywhere where there is a Chinatown around the world, even throughout Asia. other asian countries hate the Hakka too.

  257. The meningitis epidemic of 1916 coincides with the sabotage of the Black Tom munitions depot in New York as well as the introduction of poison gas in the WW1 trench warfare.

    I’ve got to wonder if the Germans weren’t dabbling in biological weapons aimed at humans in the US of A. As the link says, they’d already worked at infecting horses with Anthrax and Glanders. And there had been some very dirty dealings in Europe.

    The activities of German agents operating in the United States in 1915 came to light after the war. Erich von Steinmetz, a captain in the German navy, entered the United States disguised as a woman. He brought with him cultures of glanders to inoculate horses intended for the western front. After trying unsuccessfully, he posed as a researcher and took the cultures to a laboratory, where it was determined the cultures were dead.

    Anton Dilger was an American-educated surgeon who specialized in wound surgery at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland. After joining the German army in 1914, he suffered a nervous breakdown and was sent to his parents’ home in Virginia since the United States was still neutral in the war. At the request of the German government, he brought along strains of anthrax and glanders to begin a horse-inoculation program. With his brother Carl, he set up a laboratory in a private house in Chevy Chase, Maryland, to produce additional quantities of the bacteria.

    The bacteria from “Tony’s lab” were delivered to Captain Frederick Hinsch, who was using a house at the corner of Charles and Redwood Streets in Baltimore, Maryland. Hinsch inoculated horses in Baltimore that were awaiting shipment to Europe. Dilger also attempted to establish a second biological warfare laboratory in St. Louis, Missouri, but gave up after a cold winter killed the cultures. Although the impact of these German agents’ activities was not determined, the year 1915 is consid ered to be the beginning of 20th-century antianimal biological warfare. 22

    Additional biological attacks reportedly occurred throughout the war. In 1916, a German agent with intentions to spread a biological agent was arrested in Russia. German agents also tried to infect horses with glanders and cattle with anthrax in Bucharest in 1916. In 1917, Germany was accused of poisoning wells in the Somme area with human corpses, and dropping fruit, chocolate, and children’s toys infected with lethal bacteria into Romanian cities. German agents tried to infect horses with glanders and cattle with anthrax in France. A more successful attack was the infection of some 4,500 mules with glanders by a German agent in Mesopotamia. Another reported attack was with cholera in Italy. A 1929 report also accused the Germans of dropping bombs containing “plague” over British positions during the war. Many of these reports were of questionable authenticity and were vehemently denied by the Germans. As had happened during the American Civil War, the rampant spread of naturally occurring disease during World War I made the impact of planned biological warfare attacks impossible to determine. 3,21

    We don’t need to conjure up imaginary enemies when we had some very real ones.

  258. @Deep Thought

    It’s funny because the same is true of China, merely over a longer timescale at this current moment. Give it two centuries, it will be more recently true of China then.

  259. Wondering says:

    Gates, Gates…..hmmmmmmm…….where have I heard this name before? Hmmmmmmmmm

  260. Wondering says:

    Yes, COVID has not caused excess deaths (except when the elderly have been deliberately exposed to infection in nursing homes by the thousands, undoubtedly to increase the sense of COVID death panic) but the vaccines HAVE. The actuarial data from several enormous insurance companies has started revealing that deaths in the past year and a half have skyrocketed over the normal of prior years. They specify that these are non-COVID deaths and are found in the 18-49 working age group – not the elderly or infirm. Very similar to the 1918 results actually (the young & healthy being most affected). The actuarial data may well destroy the large pharma companies as they probably can’t hide something THIS big and encompassing. The deaths from COVID vaxes will probably vastly outrun the 1918 vaxes unfortunately.

    BTW, I find it fascinating that the name “Gates” shows up so prominently in both. Who are the Gates family anyway? Are they actually Rockefellers?

  261. Chicxulub says:

    Apologies if someone has mentioned this already but many feel the Spanish flu of 1918 was caused by the US Navy beginning to use wireless communications. The parallel to Covid-19 breaking out after Wuhan turned on their 5G network may be coincidental – maybe not.

    See The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg

    Summary of book:

    Also see The Contagion Myth: Why Viruses (including “Coronavirus”) Are Not the Cause of Disease by Cowan and Morrell

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