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I have written earlier that the multi-party electoral system (“democracy”) is the only form of government designed to be controlled by outsiders, naturally leaving it open to corruption and fraud. The Chinese, listening to the Americans, discovered all the proof of this in their own back yard. China has experimented with small-scale introductions of Western-style democratic elections for local officials in rural areas.

We are often told that “first impressions” are the most important, that on initially meeting a person or entering a new situation, we see it most clearly at that first introduction. With the passage of time, our perceptions become clouded and dimmed by extraneous factors and our focus scattered by irrelevancies. On the introduction of “democracy” to the Chinese, they saw it very clearly as it really was – a system for obtaining political power that was just begging to be manipulated. In fact, it was seen as the very purpose of such a system and to have been designed precisely for such a purpose. And it was.

In early 2014, in Changsha, China’s nursery of democracy and many other imaginative crimes, there was a massive vote-buying scandal where almost 60 individuals were charged for electoral fraud, dereliction of duty, disrupting elections, buying votes, bribery and related corruption, involving more than 500 lawmakers and various local party officials who were disqualified and relieved of their posts, their crimes involving many thousands of citizens and more than 100 million yuan in bribes. And this was only one case of many.

In North China’s Hebei province, one town had two failed elections within a month, corrupted by vote-buying with twice as many votes as eligible voters, stolen ballot boxes and much other electoral fraud. Many towns and villages introduced multi-party elections in the late 1980s, with many experiencing similar problems. In September of 2016, there was a massive election-rigging scandal in Liaoning, with more than 500 people paying bribes to get friends elected. China’s National People’s Congress expelled 45 lawmakers, nearly half the number elected from Liaoning, because of bribery and election fraud. In addition, more than 500 lawmakers were dismissed or resigned from the 619-member Liaoning People’s Congress, and several people were arrested.

I was surprised that anyone was surprised. That’s democracy. That’s how it works. It was designed to be wide open to corruption. In the West, we have more experience so we do it more quietly and in different ways, but the result is the same. Wherever money can buy legislative power, all open systems will become corrupted.

The Chinese saw “democracy” as it really was – a way to obtain control of a government by collecting votes. The easiest way to collect votes is to buy them, and there isn’t even any morality here. Before moralising about the Chinese, consider that if it’s okay for AIPAC and corporations to buy politicians, why isn’t it okay for politicians to buy voters? The next easiest way (if you’re willing to be a bit dishonest) is to print excess ballots and stuff the ballot boxes. And let’s not forget that stuffing ballot boxes was a tradition in the US and Canada 200 years ago.

But again, with this “new” political system, we are being offered full control of the government of a city, by the simple expedient of having people vote for us. There is no other requirement, and anyone can do it. It’s obvious that someone with money and ambition will rise to this challenge and find a way, honest or otherwise, to get those votes.

These are serious issues in China because increasingly the king-makers in the background will be foreigners. Jews, US Consulate staff, members of the US State Department, Embassy officials who are CIA but disguised as diplomats, the NED, USAID, AmCham and dozens of American NGOs, are all spending money and working in the background to influence government in China. That’s the truth, and if it’s apparent to me it should be obvious to many others. Their success in Hong Kong is stunning; the Americans have obtained enormous influence on the political landscape in Hong Kong and are so clever and experienced that the hundreds of thousands of little Hong Kong puppets cannot even see the strings. And they have every intention of doing the same in Mainland China.

Kindergarten Democracy

But these examples were nothing compared to what happened at the Chunhui Primary School in Zhengzhou, where 1,700 small children learned lessons about “democracy” that they will unfortunately never forget. These students used to have a “backward, old-fashioned, traditional, Chinese-style” system of choosing student leaders where the selection was based on silly things like scholastic merit and the recommendations of teachers as to character. But, thanks to American pressure, they “altered their tradition” and instead turned to modern, Western-style “democracy”.

And how did that work? Well, one student (with a very poor academic record) was chosen as a leader because he was “good at basketball” and was “friendly”. And how did they get themselves elected? Well, they learned to conduct democratic election campaigns, just like all Westerners. According to media reports, “Some played the saxophone, some danced, and some showed off their calligraphy or painting skills, played traditional Chinese musical instruments as a way of impressing voters.” One mother was so eager to make her little kid a king that she printed more than 1,000 pretty little blue election cards with his name, asking everyone to vote for him.

The Headmaster of the school, Hu Jianling, said the program aimed to encourage students to “bravely express their ideas” and to “participate in the school’s management”. In the opinion of the school, these student leaders proved Hu’s plan “effective and perhaps even beneficial”.

Let’s examine what really happened here. I have no wish to embarrass Mr. Hu, who I am sure is a fine gentleman with good intentions, but what kind of devil possessed this man that he thought it was a good idea to get 1,700 10-year-old kids to “bravely participate in the school’s management”? What the hell does he think a school is? In this one experiment in this one school, we can see all the pathetic flaws of Western democracy, flaws apparently invisible to the teachers, the parents and especially to the students who have learned a corrupt lesson in living that they will probably never forget. If you want to corrupt the population, it is always best to begin with the children, because that will make the corruption permanent.

First, what was the purpose of these elections? It should be to select the most competent person for a job that carries responsibilities to the students, but nowhere in any of this little kindergarten travesty was there even a mention of competency or responsibility. None. These little politicians just wanted to be elected because they wanted to be elected, not because they had any ability or wanted to accomplish anything useful for their schoolmates. There were no students who campaigned to eliminate excessive homework or to have cleaner washrooms or more after-school tutoring. They just wanted to be leaders and to have the accompanying power and prestige, with not a thought to any obligation involved.

Even worse, how did these little politicians campaign? How did they conduct themselves to convince their electorate to vote for them? Well, they “leveraged their personal popularity”” from good looks or sports ability, or their father’s money for buying pretty dresses and nice bicycles. They “leveraged their entertainment ability” by playing the saxophone or other instruments. They “leveraged their painting and calligraphy skills”, and they no doubt found many inventive 10-year-old ways to run around the school begging for votes. How wonderful. The mother who paid to print the cute little blue cards for her kid to pass out will next time have a 5-yuan note attached to them. Those little kids learned that the only real qualification for becoming a leader and taking power is a talent for psychological manipulation, that credentials are ignored in obtaining votes.

Are these the primary ingredients of a good leader? Is this how China chooses its General Secretary and Politburo members? Do they sit in Tiananmen Square and play a saxophone or a guitar, or paint caricature portraits of tourists? This is how the Americans select their leaders, but why teach this to Chinese children as an ideal?

But this was only the first attempt and our little politicians had no experience on which to draw. They will do much better the next time. They will quickly learn that you can buy votes, and will begin raising small amounts of money to give out more than cute blue cards to anyone who promises to vote for them. They will learn that you can attract votes by making promises – not by keeping them, but by making them. So, they will promise to reduce homework, with no idea of how to do that and with the knowledge that they have no power to accomplish such a result in any case. But they will promise, at least to try.

They will learn they have the power to grant gifts of patronage, and will promise to place popular voters on committees, with the expectation these individuals will help to sway other voters. They will promise to work for easier marking standards, better school lunches, and many other things that the smart candidates will know are fundamental issues for all students. They will learn to read the wishes of the student body and to turn those desires into votes and personal power. They will quickly learn to become real politicians. In short, they will learn to lie and manipulate.

They already know that a school year is a long time and that kids have short memories; they intuitively know they won’t be held accountable for failing to deliver, and they also know there is no accountability anyway, that after they are elected, nobody can do anything to them. If there were personal responsibility, there would be no candidates.

And it gets worse. In all segments of society, including elementary schools, there are always ‘king-makers’ lurking in the background, those who don’t want to be in the light but who prefer to sit in the shadows and pull the strings. These are the clever ones who amass the real power and who intuitively understand how to control events to their ultimate satisfaction regardless of the wishes of the greater group. These are the dangerous ones; they are too clever by half, and are naturally manipulative. Often, they have a mother who is of like mind and character, providing all the guidance necessary. The first thing they learn is that the power lies in the nominations, not in the voting.

And now we naturally enter the field of multi-party politics where we have two or three king-makers, each with a following, each selecting a likely candidate who will be obedient and controllable, and will say, “I can make you the leader. Would you like that?” And off we go, each king-maker (and his mother) designing a platform of campaign promises guaranteed to attract naive, innocent and inexperienced little voters.

This is where it will lead, and there is nothing the school or the teachers can do to prevent it. Why? Because the original premise, however nicely-worded, is false, flawed, and almost criminal. The purpose of this selection process should be to choose the best leaders for the school, mature, responsible little people of good character who can set an example for the other kids, who care about the welfare of their school-mates and who will genuinely use their power to improve the school’s environment. But we have discarded that objective and instead created a purposeless popularity contest that is wide open to every kind of social pressure and corruption. We are not selecting our leaders on their ability or their character or their sense of responsibility, but instead on their personal marketing ability – on their skills to influence and manipulate others to vote for them, honestly or otherwise.

In all of this, where is the discussion of credentials, of qualifications for a position of responsibility? Totally absent. In fact, the prior system of teacher character recommendations and scholastic excellence – in other words, credentials – which was a perfect system, was specifically abandoned so these idiotic yuppies could emulate the Americans and accommodate their foolish version of “democracy”.

There is no evidence that any of these little candidates had any leadership skills, good academic records, a sound character, or indeed any understanding whatever of the needs and wishes of either the students or the teachers. None would be old enough to have any appreciation of the meaning of participating in the management of the school. None will be selected on any of the necessary attributes of a leader. Few if any will have any real qualifications for a leadership position, and none will understand the responsibility they are accepting. They are little kids.

And what of the students who vote? What will they consider in casting their votes for a student leader? The ability to play a saxophone? Mama’s pretty blue cards? Few if any will have an appreciation of their responsibility, few will know how to choose wisely, and none will have the ability to properly evaluate a (more or less) unknown person for a job whose duties they do not understand. My congratulations. Welcome to American-style politics, the one thing China was fortunate to not have.

But this is precisely what China now has in its rural areas with the introduction of Western-style democratic elections for local officials. These are much more serious because the participants are adults, the decisions affect real lives, and because too often the king-makers in the background are almost all American and Jewish.

Mr. Romanoff’s writing has been translated into 32 languages and his articles posted on more than 150 foreign-language news and politics websites in more than 30 countries, as well as more than 100 English language platforms. Larry Romanoff is a retired management consultant and businessman. He has held senior executive positions in international consulting firms, and owned an international import-export business. He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West. He is one of the contributing authors to Cynthia McKinney’s new anthology ‘When China Sneezes’. (Chapt. 2 — Dealing with Demons).

His full archive can be seen at

https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/ + https://www.moonofshanghai.com/

He can be contacted at:

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  1. Stephan says:

    A year ago I started a petition in my country (Western liberal democracy) to change the way we did democracy. (I didn’t have the chutzpah to promote it and ended up with 4 signatures. :-))
    I suggested we limit the vote to males over the age of 40, and restrict the candidates to males over the age of 50.
    My thinking was that the young and the women are too easy to manipulate or often fail to see the nefarious forces in the world.
    It strikes me that through out history most tribes have been ruled by the male elders. Probably, at least partly for the two reasons listed above.

  2. Yee says:

    It doesn’t work even without bribery and corruption. Because people can easily be manipulated.

    The rich control media —> Media control public opinion —> public opinion control politicians

    In the past, it was religion which control public opinion. You’re obligated to listen to whatever the church tells you and do as they say. Now media plays the role of church.

    Well, if the “free press” of a country was somehow controlled by foreign power, you’ll see a nation willingly destroy their own economy by cutting off their largest energy supply, trying to make their biggest market an enemy.

    “Free press” and “free election”, a most successful scam.

  3. JR Foley says:

    True leaders are servants of the people?

  4. Larry Romanoff has had very varied experiences, and seen the world in much higher resolution at much closer distances and at much important places than I would ever, in this life; he has a very persuasive and logical approach too. But the one thing where he may not have as much experience as me is dealing with an indifferent bureaucracy that controls every aspect of a person’s life. We are immediately reminded of the supposedly intrusive bureaucracies of North Korea, or Cuba, or Romania. But all these countries have a cohesive society, and the bureaucracy is drawn from the middle and upper echelons, while the enforcers are drawn from the middle and lower layers. For all their spying powers, and intrusive instructions, those bureaucrats and their enforcers also hail from the same milieu as their victims, they speak the same language, and understand the predicaments of their victims. They may secretly despise their ruling class too. All this works to reduce the burden on the subjects.

    But imagine a country where the bureaucracy does not share much in common with the victim population, ignorant about their life, indifferent to their sufferings and does not even consider the subject population as human. And then the bureaucracy controls the most important aspects of economic life. Welcome to South Asia.

    In South Asian countries (India, Pakistan and Bangladesh), the gap between the rulers and the ruled is the widest anywhere, any time. Caste system makes sure that certain groups are hardly represented in the bureaucracy, and other groups have perpetual claims over the posts. And the population was stupefied through illiteracy and superstition. Bangladesh at least the advantage of having one language; Pakistan and India speak so many languages, the rulers and the ruled may speak mutually unintelligible languages for centuries. Yes, centuries. And thanks to the huge population and the unlimited availability of stooges, the rulers may never have to learn anything about their subjects. Words fail me in describing the horrors of such a society. Add to this a permissive, no, an encouraging, attitude to corruption, you have the recipe for permanent hell on earth.

    The typical pre- British South Asian kingdom (if you can call that), whether ruled by a Hindu or a Muslim or a Buddhist is like this: a ruling family that captured power centuries ago through some extremely able founder; this founder could be from any of the middle and upper castes. then a coterie surrounding the family, consisting of families from at least two priestly castes, one or two money-lender castes, a few families from the locally most dominant farmer caste and a smattering of distant alien families that depend on the ruling family’s favour to exploit and also keep under check the clueless population. The bulk of the population just toiled away to keep the ruling classes in style and wealth, and just died even when their time did not come. Famine was so rampant that every decade will see one. The problem of the ruling class was not that the suppressed population will erupt in revolution, but that the peasants will flee in the night, or the country may be depopulated! The society was so much rotten from inside, it crumbled before the Islamic and European invaders.

    Now, how do you bring such a country to the present age? How would you control such a bureaucracy? How would you make such a ruling class to care for the masses? How would you make the bureaucracy responding to people (not responsible, just responsive)? Only by putting some power, even a very little one, into the hands of the masses. The vote is such a power. Even if all that the masses have is only a chance to oust the ruler once in every five years, it is a vast improvement over the pre- British style “administration”. The rulers will then try to control the bureaucracy. And then there was some half-hearted attempts of affirmative action, by providing some seats in the bureaucracy for the masses, and in the legislatures. This is now fiercely resisted by the ruling castes.

    South Asians never rose in revolution against their rulers, in spite of all the oppression; they never had organised political activities; they learnt this all from the British; they had no ideas of freedom, equality or fraternity, ideas Mr Romanoff may denounce as instigated by a small group for their own benefits, but which nevertheless gave a breathing space to the dumb populations that suffered for centuries. WWI and WWII may be conspiracies to put one White country against another and kill the Whites, but those wars certainly gave breathing space to the societies ruled by the Whites. It is true that Whites ruled their colonies much better than the “native rulers”; it is true that they developed the economy, brought technology, and in general made the countries prosperous ever before, BUT all this came with a price: the surplus was skimmed to Europe, and the White population exploded. From a peninsula of Eurasia they captured three huge continents. Their population went up by a few multiples. The very fact that the South Asian population exploded after the British left, shows that the British rule was sucking out the surplus, and that surplus became available to the South Asian countries after the British left, causing a population explosion. Had the White rule continued, non- White population would have stagnated, and probably even dwindled. The surmise that such a non- White population would have been more prosperous under the White rule is immaterial: what is the use of prosperity when you do not have descendants? Why are the Whites now crying in this very forum about White genocide, then?

    Democracy, especially the style that is practiced in South Asia, is very defective. But it is designed to prevent the ruling class from doing much good, and more importantly, much harm, to the population.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag
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    , @Che Guava
    , @Alrenous
  5. How The Chinese Communist Party Works.

  6. @Yee

    Some wise fellow made an astute observation in another thread, and I paraphrase: The best system is the one with the best guy in charge.

    My contribution is a slight tweaking: the best system is the one that chooses the best guy and puts him in charge.

  7. @Yee

    I’m wondering what role Satan plays, played in giving us Democracy. The Juds are simply Satanic aren’t they? And have demonstrated remarkable success, how? Who helps them?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  8. @Yee

    It doesn’t work even without bribery and corruption. Because people can easily be manipulated.

    I think you meant to say, “It works even without bribery and corruption. Because people can easily be manipulated”.

    • Replies: @dodge city pete
  9. meamjojo says:

    Everyone knows that the Chinese have no morals or scruples and would sell our their own parents if they could make a copper penny on the deal. You can’t have any kind of democracy with people like this.

  10. meamjojo says:

    The truth about Xi’s China
    ———-
    New Mao Lauds Old Mao: China’s Xi Jinping Takes Politburo on Communist Road Trip
    Doug Bandow
    – November 9, 2022

    Xi Jinping is living large. He successfully stage-managed the Chinese Communist Party’s 20th National Congress, with himself as the star and essential performer. The event concluded with his enemies prostrate and his factotums omnipresent. He left with another five-year term, effectively turning the general secretaryship into his position for life.

    He also demonstrated that when everyone owes you for their job, you can drag even the most senior officials, in this case fellow Politburo members, on the most embarrassing field trips imaginable, such as visiting the city of Yanan, a sacred site (if communists hold anything sacred) for the CCP. There, madman Mao Zedong, who led, and nearly destroyed, the People’s Republic of China from its founding until his death, was confirmed as party leader in 1945. And Xi was sent to a nearby village to be reeducated after the dismissal of his father, a one-time Mao favorite, during the Cultural Revolution.

    Most people who had seen their father humiliated, their family disrupted, and themselves sentenced to involuntary servitude would have rejected the system that imposed such injustices. But not Xi. In a unique Chinese variant of Stockholm Syndrome, he came away from that experience wanting to be the person with the power to force everyone else to conform to his wishes.

    https://www.aier.org/article/new-mao-lauds-old-mao-chinas-xi-jinping-takes-politburo-on-communist-road-trip/

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  11. Alden says:

    This is the most ridiculous article I’ve ever read on UNZ. All hot and bothered about a silly event in an elementary school. The way these things work is that the school administration runs the school. The student government are basically actors in a little game. .

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  12. @Stephan

    …reminds me of Plato (who, in addition, wrote that men must be married) – And speaking of Plato, the κληρωτήριον/klèrōtērion system comes to my mind, i.e. random draw as practiced in ancient Athens. The Dutch scientific magazine Natuurwetenschap en techniek (NWT) 5/2011 also wrote about the matter: “(…) the quality of the legislation increases if in a parliament are also seated some ‘independent’ members chosen at random. This results from a mathematical model developed by some researchers at Catania University. (…) According to Pluchino, random draw would correct some disadvantages of party politics. He quotes Robert Michels’s ‘iron law of oligarchy’ which says that in any organization whatsoever, power always ends up to be concentrated in the hands of a small elite”.

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    , @mulga mumblebrain
  13. FYI recent interpretations of The Gospel According to Marks by scholars at the Confucius Institute predict that Jesus will return to earth, in the mid-1800s, in the form of a bearded German philosopher – establishing the world’s first true religion – Leninism.

    Let us hope we conquer our degenerate capitalistic instincts, we may be found worthy enough to live in a perfect futuristic communist society – possibly downtown Baltimore.

    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
  14. Palinurus says:

    As always, the most insightful, objective and truthful analysis, but I see no hope for change to the “democratic” system in the west barring a revolution, and how is that going to happen?

  15. Chriss says:

    democracy,

    Ingratitude! The Ukrainian oligarch thief Ihor Kolomoyski was a sponsor of Zelensky. Zelensky’s administration first deprived him of Ukrainian citizenship (cool, he has two more) and now disinherited him from valuable fuel assets. How to live?

    https://www.epravda.com.ua/publications/2022/11/8/693566/

  16. Rare case of good article on UNZ. It is clear for everyone that so called Democracy is in reality a scam, to continuously pull the wool in front of people eyes persuading them that they choose and that government is acting in their interests. In reality as it was well put by Lenin, we should examine whose interests are protected and promoted by the government issues legislation. It is top tier few percents of population interests which are always protected. All so called figure heads in such democracies are mere puppets especially now when elites totally degraded. Once upon time Western governments had to maintain some facade and did something for majority because there was Soviet rival. The moment USSR was destroyed form within, the need for pretense dissapeared and I encourage people to check when attack started on all social achievements and when actually USA started moving investments and jobs to China and elsewhere. Exactly, after 1992. I would say that probably the most democratic government that ever existed was in the Soviet Union. And also the most competent with exceptions of Khrushchev and obviously Gorbachev whose job was to run USSR into the ground. Why I say so? Ok. One has to check credentials of people in the Soviet Union who were responsible for industries and ministers posts. All of those people were from industrial, engineering backgrounds, many started their careers as mere workers who were showing achievements at tasks allocated and were promoted purely on merit. There is a wagon and small barrow of these names with the most famous being Ustinov, Kosygin, Vannikov, Lomako, Bajbakov, Kaganovich and many others. Brezhnev himself before becoming General Secretary successfully ran two republics Moldova and Kazakhstan, restored destroyed in war factories in Ukraine. No one was elected democratically but appointed purely based on merit. The moment appointments became based upon other things that merits we can observe it since 1985 when Gorbachev came to power and now with Putin’s ministers and appointees. China devoted a lot of efforts to understand what went wrong with USSR and are obviously making sure that people of Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Putin calibre never makes it to the top leadership. Shooting those who steal or cross red lines is also good to maintain cadres in good shape and clean of corruption. Just look at Russia what corruption and appointments based upon no merit but loyalty can bring.

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  17. Democracy is a cult. If you’re from a Western country, especially the US, you just assume it’s true that elections confer legitimacy on the winner to be a ruler. But why should being good at a game of pandering and lying be the method to choose a ruler, especially when that game is often not even scored honestly? Why not use a different game like, say, crossword puzzles? At least crossword puzzles favor the intelligent; electioneering favors the sociopathic.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  18. DrWatson says:

    Well, at least they had more than one candidates to choose from. In my Eastern European country we had ‘elections’ where people were expected to go and vote – but there was only one candidate to elect! Can you imagine a more idiotic system than this? I remember my parents did go and vote – even though they were not faithful communists. They just went because they were afraid of any backlash if they didn’t. In addition everybody else did the same. It was awful and suffocating.

    A lot of local people behaved like they were kind of authority even when they were not. I remember going one day to work in the early 90’s (it was after the ‘Wall’ came down) and saw two guys (one of them American) sitting on the lawn in front of the building. I made a mental note of this being so brave and refreshing, not afraid of being scolded by the porter/receptionist!

    Democracy does work. It is not perfect but better than the alternative, a monolithic one-party system with no hope for change. Your problem in the US is that your democracy is very old and so there is a lot of legalized corruption, influence, manipulation. At least you can freely talk about it, here on Unz anyway. These days on Twitter, too, even about (((them))).

  19. Your series on democracy has been an enjoyable read, Mr. Romanoff. Thank you :). I cannot agree with everything you write, but I don’t want to nitpick – and I find that the general thrust of your argument is sound. Democracy, at least how it is currently practiced, is a miserable and undignified failure. As a minimum for it to work well, I think one would need a morally healthy, well-educated population, and a genuinely free press staffed by courageous and honest people – and some very serious consequences for mendacity and corruption. Even then, great vigilance and discipline would be needed to ward off moral and intellectual decay and attrition.

    I am curious about something in this installment, however – on the one hand (at the beginning of the article), it sounds like China has been experimenting with democratic elections in limited locations, in order to study this mode of (s)election – and have found it wanting. But at the end of the article, you seem to say that it has been applied more generally throughout China, and not so much with the goal of studying how it would work, but rather as a more or less conscious choice? Can you elaborate on this?

  20. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    skimmed to Europe, and the White population exploded

    Really?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population#By_world_region

    South Asian population exploded

    and others, thanks to/because of Europeans?

    Why are the Whites now crying in this very forum about White genocide

    Because some white people are systematically trying to destroy white countries/civilization/people etc?

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  21. Sarah says:

    @Larry Romanoff

    What you describe in some Chinese cities is not democracy.

    The words “democracy”, “democratic” etc. are fashionable.
    So fashionable that almost nobody wages to say he is not for democracy.

    Like many other words ending with -cy or -ism, it’s definition varies from one person to another.

    Many countries that define themselves as “democracies” are not, for example USA, which claims to be “the largest democracy in the world” or “the model of democracy”.

    It’s not democracy (in the sense of the only true democracy as in ancient Athens), but oligarchic plutocracy.

    “Democracy” is just code-word for installed oligarchy.

    “Spreading democracy” is code-word for colonization, what means extraction, plunder, acculturation, deculturation.

    The experiments with “democracy” in China can only lead to kakistocracy.

    Being “elected” is not a proof of competence but only proves the ability to get elected.

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  22. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @René Fries

    κληρωτήριον/klèrōtērion

    In English?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  23. Roger says: • Website
    @meamjojo

    Well, not everyone knows that. It is news to me. However, since you have made such a blatant assertion, would you please supply us with some proof that the Chinese would sell out their own parents for a copper? If everyone knows that is true, then it should be quite easy to find support for your position.

    Or maybe you should just stop making blanket assumptions?

    • Agree: Durruti
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  24. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Elected “representatives”, not democracy?

  25. Larry Romanoff is grotesquely wrong when he declares Democracy to be the “Most Dangerous Religion.” No, the real “Most Dangerous Religion” isn’t Democracy—it’s Communism, where the State controls everything and ordinary citizens are at the complete mercy of unaccountable bureaucrats for their food, clothing, and shelter. When the Chinese government in the Mao era controlled all the restaurants, they were universally terrible except for the few elite restaurants reserved for the Party elite, despite the excellence and stupendous variety of Chinese cuisines, refined over thousands of years, because the people who managed the “public” restaurants had no real competition and thus no real incentive to provide better food and service. The “public” restaurants didn’t improve until they were privatized by reformers after Mao died, and were forced to compete with each other.

    Schools should be treated the same way as restaurants—it isn’t healthy in the long run for the State to control all the schools and to dictate their curriculum in the most minute detail. Freedom of association, free speech, and free markets are all essential for healthy societies to flourish. But apparently Larry Romanoff prefers the Communist model where all education should be provided by the State, and private schools, whether religious or secular, are banned, and parents aren’t allowed to decide how they want their children to be educated, by sending them to a laissez-faire school like Summerhill where the children decide what they want to study, or to a more traditional school with a rigorous curriculum.

  26. @Alden

    Are you suggesting the US political system is more serious than a kindergarten?

    • Replies: @Alden
  27. Che Guava says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    Good points, but I think the ‘rule by Big Man and his lackeys’ principle in most (all, it seems) of sub-Saharan Africa of now is even worse than the situation in the sub-continent.

    Also, India has much variation by state.

    I have been much appreciating this series by Mr. Romanoff, I disagree with a few claims in the three or four parts I’ve read, but really, nothing in this one. Intend to read them all.

  28. @Stephan

    Hopefully you’ll revive your petition. The two key planks of it are absolutely essential to restoring even a vague semblance of functioning human civilization. Also, be sure to include the stipulation that only WHITE males are eligible for either the franchise or the holding of political office.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  29. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    It is a much hyped concept that’s unquestioned, that’s true. But the US is a fake democracy, manipulated from behind closed doors, politicians being but teleprompter readers. The people behind the scenes are presumably a cut above the average idiot so we do have some form of rule by am elite of sorts. Meritocracy sounds good in theory but also has hidden dangers. After all, wasn’t it the ‘best and brightest’ who gave us the Vietnam fiasco? The elite become insulated from the masses and end up despising them, wanting to get rid of useless eaters, engaging in schemes to subtly genocide what they consider to be their inferiors, having greater affinity for foreign elites rather than with their own subjects and so on. In power there’s no guarantee they won’t become evil sociopathic rulers.

    • Replies: @Alden
  30. Durruti says:

    In early 2014, in Changsha, China’s nursery of democracy and many other imaginative crimes, there was a massive vote-buying scandal where almost 60 individuals were charged for electoral fraud, dereliction of duty, disrupting elections, buying votes, bribery and related corruption, involving more than 500 lawmakers and various local party officials who were disqualified and relieved of their posts, their crimes involving many thousands of citizens and more than 100 million yuan in bribes. And this was only one case of many.

    DICTATORSHIP IS GOOD! DEMOCRACY IS BAD! Advocacy on an Alternate Media website.

    I can’t make this up! Peruse it for yourselves. This website features writers who favor Dictatorship.

    Romanoff blames Democracy for corruption. For Romanoff, & too many others, Democracy is corruption, & corruption is explained to be a component part of a democratic political culture. History is stood on its head. The victims, we citizens, are blamed for our suffering. The zionist Oligarchs, the Money Changers, are not mentioned. Our late Republic, destroyed in a hail of bullets on November 22, 1963, is not mentioned.

    For Romanoff, – Only dictatorship of those with enough power (but not having “money or ambition ?>), can uphold good government. Who chooses the Dictators? Who chooses those who judge, who control the People? Where do these ‘qualified’ decision makers come from? Romanoff, and too many others, apparently hope that they will have this power, or at least, they will be permitted to WORSHIP this power.

    Romanoff continues his Totalitarian Rant:

    But again, with this “new” political system, we are being offered full control of the government of a city, by the simple expedient of having people vote for us. There is no other requirement, and anyone can do it. It’s obvious that someone with money and ambition will rise to this challenge and find a way, honest or otherwise, to get those votes.

    For Romanoff, “Freedom is Slavory.” Or is it “Slavery is Freedom?” Orwell exposed that reasoning – generations ago. Try a read, or reread of his 1984, or Animal Farm. Dictators are rarely poor, and they usually serve the Oligarchs. After all, they have all the answers. The people need not apply, nor may they speak, nor may they think; why, they do not even have to EXIST!!!

    Romanoff, an approved writer on Unz’ Review, advocates, supports, argues, for SLAVERY. One of those who differ, is blacklisted from this site. CNN, MSNBC, somethings do not change. At least Mainstream Media does not openly advocate Slavery. They deny their service, but too many ‘Alternate Theorists,’ not only do not deny their support for dictatorship, they openly argue in its favor.

    How often have we heard that Hitler, (a Zionist Agent), was a good guy? Only on ‘Alternate’ media.

    Who do they, Romanoffs, serve? Mainstream advocates handcuffs, ‘Alternate’ applies them!

    We are treated to election appeals, “Vote Republican.” Vote in a corrupt election. and, while we are doing that, we are urged to support Totalitarianism, Dictatorship. Next election, we will be told to vote Democrat.

    Freedom is slandered, and our destroyed Republic, ignored. If this site represents ‘Alternate Media,’ then how much worse is the so-called ‘Mainstream Media’? Mainstream pretends to oppose Dictatorship, too many on ‘Alternate’ sites openly support Dictatorship.

    I’ll take my stand with Jefferson, Tom Paine, John F. Kennedy, George Orwell, and our own Ron Paul.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    The above is a portion of the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson.

    Dr. Peter J. Antonsen – nom de guerre, Durruti

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
  31. @Stephan

    When we were ruled by male elders, they likely owned (or controlled) huge tracks of real estate and didn’t owe debt. There was a reason the usury was considered a sin.

  32. Alden says:
    @The_Masterwang

    I stated that to extrapolate an elementary school activity to a wild denunciation of Chinese government trends is ridiculous.

    American government system isn’t a democracy. It’s a Republic. Always has been since the beginning. So is China a Republic Peoples Republic of China.

    • Replies: @Exile
  33. Alden says:
    @Durruti

    I approve of Chinese style appointment of government officials by some dictator.

    As long as I am the dictator.,

    • LOL: Che Guava, Durruti
  34. @meamjojo

    Yes, the Chinese are corrupt yet despite Mao’s wars on ‘Confucianism’, the family unit, and individuality, the old are still respected and cared for in China, people marry and have kids, and there is family loyalty. Nobody is getting sold down the river for pennies.
    Graft, payola, kickback, cooking the books, bribery, and theft of services are big problems that go on and on. Periodically these crimes are uncovered and the perps stand trial, and then get a bullet in the head, but nothing ever changes.

    • Thanks: Roger
  35. Che Guava says:
    @Durruti

    Who is blacklisted from this site?

    I haven’t noticed a single case. Likely, a few heavy trolls or juvenile vandals have been, but I’ve never seen such a case.

    Some of the greatest thinkers and writers of antiquity, Plato and Aristotle as well-recorded examples, among many others, wrote against democracy, I would presume that you have read their works.

    Do you really think that their arguments make no sense?

    I am sure that some kind of social anarchism could work, but the preconditions for that are a mainly homogeneous population with a mainly homogeneous culture.

    Anarchists in such conditions don’t exist, haven’t for a long time.

    Was the real Durutti kind at all?

    No, he supported the rapes and murders of nuns, priests, and common believers, likely participated in such murders at times.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  36. Che Guava says:
    @Durruti

    I’ll take my stand with Jefferson, Tom Paine, John F. Kennedy, George Orwell, and our own Ron Paul.

    Durruti, ROFLMAO. So you ain’t an anarchist at all, as close as you get is a man, Ron Paul, who may have improved things in many ways for the U.S.A., but never reached a position to, and is, to his discredit, a devotee of Anna Rosenbaum, a.k.a. Ayn Rand.

    Good lord, he even bestowed her fake surname as a first name on his son.

    Tasteless.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  37. Flo says:
    @meamjojo

    That’s not quite right. Yes, the Chinese are a merchant race (there are several such in the H. sapiens family) and they are perfectly amoral in their business dealings. Not immoral but amoral. It only seems immoral to Westerners. Yes, they’ll do anything for one more penny, anything but gyp or sell out their own family members. Remember when Americans learned that imported Chinese dog kibble was killing their precious “furbabies”? Turned out the Chinese manufacturers were adding melamine to up the protein content in order to satisfy U.S. regulators. And the propylene glycol in imported baby formula? That was only to make it sweeter to suit American tastes. “Amelican baby want sweet sweet!” They weren’t trying to kill Americans babies, furry or otherwise. They were only maximizing profits.

    • Thanks: Roger
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alexandros
  38. d dan says:

    Too many commenters are conflating “democracy” with “election”. There are countries with democracy but no/only partial election, and there are countries with election but no democracy. China is trying to be the former, whereas US and many western countries are working hard to be the later.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Alden
  39. Durruti says:
    @Che Guava

    Who is blacklisted from this site?

    I haven’t noticed a single case. Likely, a few heavy trolls or juvenile vandals have been, but I’ve never seen such a case.

    ME! Unz refuses to print my articles. He rejected my article “For the Restoration of the Republic.” He wrote me – that he had enough writers for this site. I’ve left my “juvenile vandal” roots a long time ago – in Brooklyn.

    I bear Unz no grudge. This is his website. I wish him well.

    I will, occasionally, mention that he refuses to print my articles. My articles tend to concentrate on a point of view that is rarely covered by so-called ‘alternate media.’ I concentrate on Roads to Tread, measures, to Fix what ails us. I leave the complaints, and often incoherent whining, to others. I will respond, critically, to articles advocating Autocracy, or other forms of Dictatorship.

    My comments are mostly found underneath Ron Paul‘s articles here; and I have also sent comments directly to Ron Paul’s website.

    I thought that I was the “real Durruti.” Buenaventura Durruti was the finest Anarchist. He died while fighting in Madrid, in 1936. He soldiered with his Anarchist Batallion, who were defending the Spanish Republic.

    *Plato and Aristotle were not the same person. Plato opened the door to understanding and analysing Politics. It is unclear to me how close Plato was to advocating a government of a Republican (constitutional separation of power) construction. I was too concerned about girls – to concentrate on reading the translated Plato. Aristotle tutored Alexander. It is unclear if that helped or hindered Alexander.

    I rely on Jefferson, Twain, Yeats, Soral, and Thinking, for my political bearing.

  40. Durruti says:
    @Che Guava

    Tasteless.

    As is your comment.

    I understand you support Dictatorship.

    FU

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  41. Alrenous says: • Website

    In short how Democracy works: Sophists appear, want power, thus propose that the most easily-manipulated part of society be given power. Evil vizier model.

    From the horse’s own mouth:
    “The historical context provides evidence for their considerable influence, as Athens became more and more democratic during the period in which the sophists were most active.”

    there was a massive vote-buying scandal where almost 60 individuals were charged for electoral fraud

    That’s more of a China problem than a Democracy problem.

    In America, all the vote-faking is entirely legal and sovereign-sponsored. Downright Official. Done far more elegantly.

    Wherever money can buy legislative power, all open systems will become corrupted.

    As has happened repeatedly, America thanks you for spreading its propaganda for it.
    Money? Your issue is money? kek

    why isn’t it okay for politicians to buy voters?

    In 1300s England it would have been possible to buy the right to vote itself. They had a vastly more sophisticated legal system back in those days. Today nobody is bright enough to use it, let alone administrate such a thing.

    That’s what ownership means, btw. Being able to sell. If you’re not allowed to sell it, it’s not yours. The State lends you the right to vote, why wouldn’t the State also be able to retract the offer whenever it wants? When it hides and lies about retracting it, it demonstrates malice, but that aside…

    What the hell does he think a school is?

    What do you think a school is?Incidentally, it’s a matter of peer-reviewed science (as in, not just in-your-face obviousness) that students learn nothing at school. Students learn on their own and then school takes credit using post hoc ergo propter hoc. Not coincidentally a fallacy they don’t spend much time on in class.

    How Democracy works, round 2: even assuming everything is going to spec, the obvious thing to do in an insecure elected position is give all your power away to a secure (unaccountable) bureaucracy – run by your buddy, natch, who will then hire you once you lose an election. It would be most strange for any power to remain in elected office for longer than it takes to brew a pot of coffee.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag
  42. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Sarah

    Read Plato. Republic, book 8. The Cliff’s Notes are fine. Cliff takes good notes.

    It’s quite clear that America is certainly a Democracy. Plato describes America without missing a single beat, and he calls the system Democracy.

    At most there’s a few minor remnant elements of plutarchy, such as the tremendous fondness for tremendous debts.

    • Replies: @Alden
  43. Alden says:
    @Flo

    Remember the cough syrup China shipped to S America that also had propylene glycol poison in it? People got sick some died.

    I remember the baby formula scandal in China. Chinese who could afford the extra cost were buying it from Hong Kong. Then the toys painted with poisonous lead paint?

    • Thanks: meamjojo
  44. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Old Brown Fool

    A great example of Sophism at work.

    he has a very persuasive and logical approach

    Persuasive? Yes, seems to be. Logical? Um, about that…

    Basically Romanoff is mad that the Sophists in charge of Democracy are smarter than he is, thus better at manipulation, thus they are in charge rather than him.

  45. Yee says:

    In any case, arguments of such issue are futile…

    We all get the government we deserve. Let the different systems run their course, peacefully, fingers crossed. No religion war, no democracy war.

  46. Che Guava says:
    @Durruti

    Oh cool, what do you think Ayn Rand world is?

  47. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    USA is not a democracy. It’s officially a republic. Has been since the constitution was adopted 1790s. Larry Romanoff is an ignorant moron for claiming America is a democracy.

    He should st least consult Wikipedia or a standard 5th grade American elementary school text book. 5th grade for 10 year olds.

    The ignorance on this site never ceases to amaze. As well as being from the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, the founding fathers were also Platoists. Plato believed and preached that there is a natural biological aristocracy. He believed that through natural born intelligence common sense high morality and all round wonderfulness these natural born aristocrats would naturally rise to the top of society. And no one would oppose them. And these natural aristocrats would preside over Peace and prosperity for all.

    Plato knew better. He observed that the elites rise because of military conquest, good luck bad being the first person to work at a useful trade, accidental or planned discoveries and primarily from being born in elite families.

    But Plato continued preaching the rise of a natural born aristocracy that would rule over a perfect society.

    Maybe Plato was so deluded he believed it. Maybe he didn’t believe it. But that was what he preached.

    Larry Romanoff believes it too.

  48. Alden says:
    @Alrenous

    America isn’t a democracy. It’s a republic. Please consult any dictionary to learn the difference between democracies and republics.

    Dumb dumber and dumbest. From Larry Romaniff whoever he is, to the commenters.

    • Thanks: Alrenous, Sarah
    • Replies: @Alrenous
  49. meamjojo says:
    @Roger

    I’ll fall back on Anglin’s quote from an article yesterday at:
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/republicans-somehow-lose-everything-what-a-mystery/

    “I’m not under any obligation to prove fraud beyond saying “it’s obvious.””

    So I say that it’s obvious. If you aren’t aware then you aren’t paying attention or haven’t had enough business dealings with the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Roger
  50. Alrenous says: • Website

    Yes, disobeying your master is always dumb, isn’t it, slave?

    Thanks for repeating the catechism to me! I hadn’t had the liturgy recited in the last second or so, I was missing it.

    The really stupid thing would be reading the thing you’re responding to. Thanks for demonstrating obedient behaviour.

    I in fact don’t have a master. Nobody whips me if I don’t bow. Don’t you feel sorry for me?

  51. NoName says:
    @Alden

    You missed the point completely: It is about the brainwashing that the young receive that will be with them for the rest of their lives! And likely for the rest of their children’s lives … and so on.

    Brainwash them while they are young into believing in the “merits of Democracy”, even when they are but a ruse which you obviously have swallowed whole.

    • Replies: @Alden
  52. Dumbo says:
    @Alden

    The way these things work is that the school administration runs the school. The student government are basically actors in a little game. .

    The way these things work is that the bankers runs the government. The politicians are basically actors in a little game.

    It’s EXACTLY the same.

  53. That’s democracy. That’s how it works. It was designed to be wide open to corruption.

    Designed for that or not, a “democracy” is extremely easy to corrupt for the country holding the printing press of the reserve currency.

    This is why so often the Russian duma votes against the best interests of the country and the will of the president. A good video (in Russian, “Путин о котором Никто не знает”, visible on youtube and vk) explains all the challenges of being a patriotic president in a “democracy”.

  54. @René Fries

    Random draw would only change the time of bribery by the rich rulers to after selection, from before and after voting. The ONLY way to have ‘democracy’ in any meaningful sense is to have as near perfect equality in wealth as is possible. Ha, ha, ha!

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @René Fries
  55. @d dan

    The USA and the West have perfected ‘democracy without choice’, long, long ago.

  56. @Sidewalk Meanderings

    Gibbering, sub-fascist, cretinous, pig ignorant imbecility. A ‘mind’ trapped in 1952, and succoured (and suckered), by Ayn Rand.

    • Replies: @Sidewalk Meanderings
  57. John1955 says:

    “Many know that something is not right in the world. Nations engage in perpetual war while bankers and armaments makers line their pockets from the carnage. The average citizen of the world has been cut out of the decision-making process of government, whether he lives in a democracy, republic, theocracy or dictatorship. All the while, the ruling elite grow stronger and richer, as the real producers struggle to survive. Behind the scenes, events are controlled by a coterie of ETHNIC PUPPET MASTERS who work their marionettes in high places out of public view.”
    (from the Preface to “Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil” by Gerard Menuhin, son of Great Conductor Yegudi Menuhin)

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27810799-tell-the-truth-shame-the-devil

    Now watch how Invisible Jewy Censoring Hand works:

    This book was briskly selling on Amazon and eventually made it into HISTORY TOP 100.Then it was quietly removed and replaced with similarly-titled book dedicated to Black Gentle Giant Michael Brown brutally murdered by da poh-liiiice…

    • Thanks: JR Foley
    • Replies: @DrWatson
  58. Exile says:
    @Alden

    Go easy, Poindexter. Making the “akshually” distinction between a republic and democracy is one of the lowest effort facile midwit takes possible – and entirely irrelevant to this article or the comments.

    Some reductionism notwithstanding, the author makes valid points about unavoidable problems with democracy (including “republican” forms of representative democracy as well as more direct/Athenian forms) – giving the franchise to those unqualified or unwilling to shoulder the burden of becoming informed and civically engaged, etc…

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Alden
  59. @Flo

    I always like to believe East Asians are more human than they appear. As of yet I am not certain what the answer is. But when you talk about family, I am reminded the time Mao offered Nixon millions of Chinese women, as a trade commodity.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Deep Thought
  60. Thim says:

    China has adopted too many practices from the West. Feminism comes to mind, and fractional reserve central banking. And the ridiculous western suits and ties. The three represents works reasonably well, they should keep it.

    By the way, Judaism is the most dangerous religion. Nothing else comes close.

  61. BWV147. Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben. JS Bach.

    Half an hour Chorale by excellent Nederlands Bach Society.
    Food for the Soul. Calm the Fevered Brow.

    • Thanks: Johan, Durruti
    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
    , @Durruti
  62. Johan says:

    The democracy which I see described is the dictatorship of the infantile proletariat, it is democracy as it is, always has been, except for small ‘peasant democracies’. Elections become proletarian (poverty of mind) popularity contests. The mess of corruptions happens when the culture is not yet ready for a decent system of dictatorship of the proletariat, on the basis of more decent appearances.

    One mother was so eager to make her little kid a king

    This reminds how in the Western system, a teenager was allowed to speak in the highest institutions, the UN among others, having been made the queen of saving the planet. It also reminds how, in the light of pushing the human caused climate change scam, the elites wanted to lower the age requirement for voting, and other strategies to put forward youth as being better equipped to make a good choice.
    Hence, democracy leads to a culture of infantilism, were the infantile proletariat can also be used by power mongering elites, to push away proletariat of which they have no use for any longer.

    Usually the democratic process first mobilizes the proletariat though, to gain control, to go directly to children in term of young age, there must be some forces in China mimicking the Western situation. To directly use the most youngest as footsoldiers for the proletarian utopia. Though likely, in China, they are drawing from the experience of communist practices, that other dictatorship of the proletariat, mixing it with democratic culture, where every voter wants to be king, is a potential dictator.

    • Replies: @Alden
  63. Alden says:
    @NoName

    No I didn’t miss the point if Romanoff’s rambling idiocy. America is not a democracy. It is a Republic. I am an American. I know America is a republic not a democracy. If you and Romanoff are unable to know the difference between a republic and democracy too bad.

    Find a dictionary. Romanoff despises America and admires Chiba. Romaniff can ramble on and on about everything wrong with America as much as he wants. But he’s just exposing his total stupidity conflating democracy and America. Another ignorant man of UNZ moron.

    I got Romanoff’s clumsy point. It just made him look stupid. Check a dictionary before you use words you don’t understand.

  64. Alden says:
    @Exile

    America’s Not a democracy. Romanoff hates America So be it. He can write endless articles about america’s faults. But don’t call America a democracy.
    And his ramblings about an elementary school activity the first American step to destroy China is ridiculous.

  65. Alden says:
    @d dan

    Too many commenters don’t know what democracy means. Like the ridiculous Larry Romanoff, they think it describes any country they don’t like.

  66. Johan says:
    @Alden

    In practice, the US is a democracy. The intense involvement of the public in the political process, the intense political campaigns, the politicization of about the whole population, the demagogy, the propaganda industry, dictatorship of proletarian culture, the inflow of the proletariat into the institutions (and the higher institutions of education) etc, make it de facto a (mass) democracy. All what the founding fathers feared and tried to prevent, became reality.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
  67. @Anon

    In English I believe it is pronounced “Learn to use Google.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion

    • Replies: @Anon
  68. If we take the literal definition of democracy as “rule by the people,” then China is probably the most democratic country in the world. The Chinese state serves the interests and desires of the Chinese people better than any western government does with their people.

  69. @Arthur MacBride

    Two musicians talk briefly about BWV147 (<5 mins)

    "A place of happiness and coming home".

    • Replies: @DrWatson
  70. Corvinus says:

    “I have written earlier that the multi-party electoral system (“democracy”) is the only form of government designed to be controlled by outsiders, naturally leaving it open to corruption and fraud”

    Which is a false premise.

  71. DanFromCT says:

    Democracy is mob rule, with the understanding that elites author the mobs’ very thoughts. As Spengler put it, no circus animal tamer has his charges more under his control than do the Jewish owners of the press the minds of the people.

    Has anyone critiqued Molnar on monarchy? At least the monarch we choose will be one of us. It’s “us” versus “them.” Everything else now is bullshit. If one is afraid of fighting and dying in the streets, go to Argentina.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  72. DrWatson says:
    @John1955

    Wow, how slick and cunning. Acc. to Gerard (whose dad, Yehudi Menuhin was Jewish and one of the greatest violinists of the 20th century) “the world owes Adolf Hitler an apology”.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  73. DrWatson says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    So beautiful. As a Hungarian organist put it, Bach had a USB connection to God.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  74. Alden says:
    @Johan

    You know nothing about China except Romanoff’s nonsense. If you knew anything about the communist revolution in China you would know it began among university students in the early 1920s. You’d also know the students recruited many proletarian workers and criminals. You’ve never heard the Chinese o communist slogan Dictatorship of the Proletariat??????). Peasants against landlords? The key element of Mai’s Government in the 1940s and 50s?

    Then in the 1960s there was the Young Red Guards Movement orchestrated by Mao. 10 to 18 year olds were organized to close the schools and beat abuse and sometimes murder the teachers and administrators. Same with college students. All “ intellectuals “ professionals and skilled workers were gathered up and sent off to the country side to work as unskilled farm labor.

    That lasted years. Finally, when Madame Mao and her Gang of Four were overthrown the administrators scientists intellectuals were allowed to leave the farm labor camps and go back to the cities to resume their former jobs.

    Learn some basic Wikipedia history of the Chinese communist movement from 1918 to its triumph in 1948.

    And then Mao’s teen age Red Guards who ran the country for years in the 1960s and 1970s.

    Communism is against the middle and upper classes and celebrates low class criminal culture. It rose to power by recruiting high school and college students and young unmarried unemployed proletarians with nothing to lose.

    In the late 1960s as a skilled middle class and intellectual administrators rise from the chaos. Mao resurrected the teen age student and proletarian movement to put down the rising middle class.. And arrested them and sent them to to the country side as slave labor. Where they lived in barracks.

    In the 1980s, having used the young proletarians to humble the middle and upper classes the middle classes were allowed to resume their places as intellectuals administrators and scientists.

    Proletarian culture and mobs of young thugs is how communists took over China.

    The sheer ignorance and naïveté on this site never ceases to amaze.

  75. Roger says: • Website
    @meamjojo

    An excellent way to avoid having to back up your claim. Congratulations!

    Of course, all that means is that anyone could make any kind of assertion about anything and, when it is challenged, refuse to make the case by simply saying “I don’t have to prove anything.”

    Of course, all that your answer means is that you do not have anything to back up your claim. Nothing at all. Why should I take you seriously?

    • LOL: meamjojo
    • Replies: @meamjojo
  76. Durruti says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    It’s good to get bach to Bach.

    My mother could play a bit, and my Belgian (veteran of 2 Armies) Dad, could identify the music. Mother was an artist, & cabinet-making Dad, built Harpsichords designed by Wallace Zuckerman. Made the NYT – 1958 “Harpsichord Revival in the Village.”

    I and my sister have some familiarity with Bach, Beethoven, Beech, & a few others, We have heard of them. Often we are baroque- and in need of money.

    Today’s generation (esp in America), have never heard of them, and their teachers never mention them. The mere concept of Culture is not understood.

    Thanks for the reminder (casting a light from a deep tunnel).

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
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  77. Biff says:

    If democracy is so wonderful, why don’t we elect air-traffic controllers?

  78. Alden says:
    @Johan

    Yes, the founding fathers were among the wealthiest 10 percent. And they were all highly educated. But that didn’t prevent them from doing what all highly educated wealthy revolutionaries did.

    Which was recruit proletarian in educated poor young men to be ready to riot against the authorities when ordered to do so? Ever heard of the Green Dragon. Tavern boys? Bunker Hill, Boston Tea Party storming of the Bastille Calvin’s thugs running around Geneva Switzerland pulling jewelry off men and women because even wedding rings were sinful, The March of the revolutionary housewives of Paris to protest food prices. That people noticed that they were 5’8 or 9 not 5’3. And that the next morning they all needed a shave?

    That’s the history of all these idealistic revolutions. The elites paying mobs. Just as Paul Revere, John Hancock, etc paid the Green Dragon Tavern boys to riot against the British. For years.

    Check out the parents grandparents and great grand parents of the Chinese elites including very high IQ science and tech people. They come from generations of CCP elites.

  79. Vidi says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The ONLY way to have ‘democracy’ in any meaningful sense is to have as near perfect equality in wealth as is possible. Ha, ha, ha!

    Maybe not even then. If individuals were equal in wealth, organizations — like political parties, for example — would presumably still exist and would be powerful and influential.

    I would suggest another proviso: for democracy to work in the long run, political candidates must be completely open all their lives. There must be a permanent record of everything they have done — or will do, after election — everything they have ever said, everyone they have ever met, everything they have ever done from birth to death. All recorded permanently, reviewable by anyone at any time. People given power would exclusively be from this group. Totally impractical? Probably.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  80. Athena says:

    In Canada, most so-called ”alt. media” are aggressively trying to convince people that China interfered in the 2019 election by funding both parties, Liberals and Conservatives.

    This rumor has been regurgitated non-stop by non-aligned ”media”, such as the one below. It’s persistent and disseminated everywhere now. I think that (as usual) AIPAC/B’nai n B’rit friends are behind the virus propagation. Their need to constantly bash China, Russia, and Iran is really a psychiatric issue. Who controls Global News?

    MPs force government to meet following reports CPP influenced election

    https://thecountersignal.com/mps-force-government-to-meet-following-reports-cpp-influenced-election/

    According to the Global News report, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), Canada’s spy agency, wouldn’t say which candidates were funded, but that the list includes Liberals and Conservatives. CSIS also wouldn’t tell if they believe the CCP changed the outcome of the 2019 Canadian federal election.

    Global reports that spies have sought to influence policy by working in Member of Parliament’s offices. They’ve also sought to punish Canadian politicians whom the CCP finds threatening.

    For example, CPP agents tried to leverage Chinese-linked industries and companies in local MPs areas to pressure elected officials. China’s Toronto consulate also funded CCP agents who worked as Canadian campaign staffers.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  81. @Sidewalk Meanderings

    What happens if that Communist government has a change of heart, stops controlling everything, allows the people to do pretty much what they want, and concentrates on keeping the ultra-rich from raping the rest of the population?

    Would such a Communist government be less bad?

  82. @Anon

    1. European medical inventions and practices stabilised and increased the colonial population, but everywhere in colonial countries, population exploded only after their departure.

    2. My statement was, even if a society is prosperous, such prosperity is meaningless if it is not reproducing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  83. @mocissepvis

    Hopefully you’ll revive your petition.

    Unfortunately he is years, if not decades ahead of his time.

    The population will not even flinch before throwing out his idea.
    It would take a catastrophic fall in living standards and considerable amount of pain before the people are motivated to look honestly at these questions/ideas that he raises.

  84. @Alden

    Perhaps you and Romanoff are both right, if we modify the tenses:

    American is a democracy. But it was once a republic.

  85. @Alden

    Then in the 1960s there was the Young Red Guards Movement orchestrated by Mao. 10 to 18 year olds were organized to close the schools and beat abuse and sometimes murder the teachers and administrators. Same with college students. All “ intellectuals “ professionals and skilled workers were gathered up and sent off to the country side to work as unskilled farm labor.

    An excellent idea, too. If only we were so lucky to have American child abusers, euphemistically known as “teachers,” being beaten, killed, or shipped off into forced labor.

    • Agree: Che Guava, Alrenous
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Alrenous
  86. @Sidewalk Meanderings

    We can see the result of “free market” in food and restaurants in the USA: 50% obesity rate. I would choose to have slightly bland restaurants over being forced to wade through a mobs of humanoid walruses anytime I go into public.

  87. @dogbumbreath

    I have always been intrigued by dogs’ behaviour where they sniff each other’s bottoms. So when I was in the park last week I crept up behind a dog and gave its anus a good sniff to see what it is all about. I must admit I don’t get what they see in it at all. I certainly won’t be doing it again.

    • LOL: Che Guava
  88. @Athena

    The Chinese DO NOT follow the West in worshipping the Jews as ‘God’s Chosen People’. The Chinese respect Jews as fellow human beings, and wish beneficial relations with them, just like every other human group. But that, of course, is the very worst form of ‘antisemitism’. Remove the shield of semi-divinity from the Jews, treat them as equals, demand of them common human decencies, and see how quickly you are denounced, and attacked.

    • Replies: @Athena
  89. @Vidi

    Term limits. In any case, true democracy has NOTHING to do with elections. Political parties, donations, MSM partisanship etc, are all antithetical to democracy, but essential to oligarchy. As they say, if voting changed anything, it would be banned.
    Moreover, change is not necessarily a good. Oscillations between policies of one political gang and another are NOT conducive to good government. Just look at the difference in effectiveness between China and the USA. Furthermore, as we seeing yet again in Austfailia, the hard Right Liberal and National Parties NEVER recognise the legitimacy of ‘Labor’ regimes. As usual they are sabotaging, lying, shouting, screeching, disrupting Parliament etc, all in league with their MSM allies, particularly the Murdoch cancer. And, also in traditional fashion, the ‘Labor’ Party is ducking and covering already, setting the scene for a swift return of the hard Right LNP, itself purged of its ‘moderates’ (like the difference between Grade III and Grade IV in cancers)in the last election, and which has moved even further Right.
    Democracy is EQUALITY, social justice, freedom that does not impinge on that of others, and human decency, not greed, envy and malice raised to the level of a pseudo-religion. It is certainly NOT Divide and Rule social disharmony and hateful partisanship masking elite dominance.

  90. @DrWatson

    Yehudi and his sister Hephzibah were tremendous humanists and ornaments to their ‘race’, religion and humanity. Gerard holds interesting views, which is why he has been Memory Holed.

    • Replies: @DrWatson
  91. meamjojo says:
    @Roger

    Well then, I hope you also don’t take the writings here of Andy Anglin seriously either.

    Whether YOU take me seriously or not doesn’t affect my life one way or the other. So sorry…

    • Replies: @Roger
  92. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    OMG, you sound like China was made of some bunch of decent middle-upper class and intellectuals during 20s~70s 20th century and Mao ruined that heaven land.
    If you have any knowledge of human being, you know people don’t go revolution for decades if they have a life.
    You think you are one of the decent middle-upper class and for sure a respectful intellectual, so you always speak for them.
    While, truth is, some time, a nation is 80% make of peasants and proletarians. If you have any real conscious as a human being, you speak for the 80%, not the 20%.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  93. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexandros

    You poor memory made you a liar.
    1. It’s not Mao, it’s Deng.
    2. Deng’s point is no about millions of Chinese as commodity, but totally free: since you hypocrite white ass speak like you care our people’s life (one-child policy) very much, why don’t you allow me to send my people there to your country to flood your homeland so you can take good care of them? Is 30 million good enough for you? How about more?
    He did not mention any words about female.

    Simple translation of Deng’s speech: STFU

    I suggest you mute yourself regarding China, since your media is full of lies, your memory also full of lies.
    But who knows, maybe you just prefer being a liar, so you can trash China and feel good about yourself. That’s great, I wish your nation full of liars.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  94. @Anon

    My memory is not perfect but it is fairly good.

    http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/mao-proposed-sending-10-mn-chinese-women-to-us-documents/272794/

    Coming from the Americans that very well might be a lie, but I’m not taking your word for it. Your explanation has all the hallmarks of obfuscation which is so typical of Asians.

    I will mute myself about China the day I am given reason to do so. So far that has not happened.

    • Replies: @Anon
  95. @Johan

    Johan, you look pretty ridiculous calling the USA a dictatorship of the proletariat when it is plainly the dictatorship of the oligarchy.

  96. Roger says: • Website
    @meamjojo

    Your hope has been granted. I don’t take Anglin seriously either, but with a grain of salt and a bucketful of skepticism. I read what he publishes and think about it, but I do not believe it simply because he says so.

    As to you, when you provide verifiable proof to validate your dogmatic claims, then I will consider what you say. Until then, this is all you get.

    No apologies.

  97. @Alexandros

    I am reminded the time Mao offered Nixon millions of Chinese women, as a trade commodity.

    Maybe, Mao was actually a television set and he was talking about white women as a trade commodity!?

    https://www.unz.com/article/whats-up-with-all-the-blacks-on-television/

  98. @Durruti

    I’m not a fan of the original Durruti who fought on the wrong side in Spain. However that’s another story and not directly applicable here.

    Not everywhere is as culturally debased as USA and in fact hardly anywhere is as culturally debased as USA if the truth be told.
    I lived for about 7 years in America. Lots to like sure, but … as you say …
    I was offered citizenship but respectfully declined.

    Holland (NL Bach Society) is next door to your father’s homeland.
    Maybe you could get citizenship and move back ?
    Just an idea.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  99. Thanks, Larry Romanoff.
    Always thought-provoking, expecially it seems for Americans.
    At least those Americans who are able to think.
    There now appears doubt about how many that number might be.

    “Benevolent Dictatorship” (yes, I know) is the way to go.
    Monarchy (deposable) perhaps.
    NSDAP.

    Thanks for tolerating my OT musical interludes.
    Again to recommend the Baroque genre to UR readers.

  100. Che Guava says:
    @Hulkamania

    I say ‘agree’, but there is a difference of context.

    Of course, I don’t agree with, usually good, teachers having been mistreated in China of so many years ago.

    I 100% agree with Hulkmania’s prescription of it for American and education in some other places now.

  101. Athena says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Thanks.

    I understand the difference. China wants to stay neutral regarding conflicts between other countries, instead of lecturing them on human rights.

    On the same topic, here’s how Canada’s elites, who lecture other countries like China, Russia, and Iran on human rights, decided to treat a canadian citizen. He says he wanted to simply ask some questions, but had no time to do. He was violently grasped, beaten, and detained.

    More on : https://www.yvesengler.com/

    Personnal note: Reportedly, these ”elites” use the taxpayers’ money and pension funds (without the taxpayers’ consent, or even their knowledge), to train and arm their own army, in a foreign country, so not the Canadian army, which is illegal according to the Canadian constitution. The violence with which they treated this man is unbelievable.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  102. @Hulkamania

    The beauty of free markets is that they offer a wide variety of restaurants for every taste. People aren’t limited only to fatty meals at McDonald’s and Burger King restaurants; they can try the delicious, low-fat meals at Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, Japanese, and other Asian restaurants which are available almost everywhere in the US, even in small towns. Giving the government enough power to dictate which restaurants should operate and what we should eat would stifle innovation and be disastrous for our health in the long run, since millions of people have such a wide variety of nutritional needs that no government bureaucracy, no matter how smart its managers are, can satisfy them.

    • Replies: @Hulkamania
  103. @mulga mumblebrain

    Maybe vicious name-calling and petty slurs win arguments in your family, but not on this forum. You have not refuted any of my examples about the terrible state of Communist-run restaurants under the Mao regime, and the much improved privately-run restaurants featuring the best of excellent Chinese cuisines after the Chinese government changed its economic policies and allowed private ownership of restaurants. Competition between producers, like competition in sports, (when they haven’t been stifled by excessive government regulation), leads to continuous improvement in products and services, and a rising standard of living. I can now send text and pictures anywhere in the world using my laptop computer that cost less than two hundred dollars. That is a big jump in the power of ordinary people to communicate and coordinate with each other, bypassing the traditional gatekeepers of mass media. Of course, some people, including mulga mumblebrain, don’t use their new powers wisely, but that’s to be expected with free speech rights for everybody.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  104. Note to Readers on Wikipedia:

    I would strongly caution everyone about reading Wikipedia on matters of substance in world affairs. If you want to know the number of protons in a cesium atom, Wiki will give you the correct answer. But if you want to know anything about history, government, politics, current affairs, finance, anything that might in any way involved the Jews or Israel, or any “interests” of the Jews, anything about China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, the former Yugoslavia . . . Wikipedia is almost entirely a source of wicked misinformation and outright lies.

    Wiki is 100% a Jewish organisation and exists only to further the Jews’ world view that they want to propagate to all. It is NOT in any sense an encyclopedia or an information source. It is entirely Jewish indoctrination. However, if you are determined to hate China, Russia, et al, it is a great source of hate literature.

    Google is very similar, with the same deep roots and essentially the same purpose – Jewish indoctrination. Google is NOT a search engine; it is a gate-keeper, its main purpose to give you only those websites it wants you to see, and to prevent you from finding the information it doesn’t want you to have.

    The few readers here who quote Wiki extensively, know what they are doing.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @meamjojo
  105. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexandros

    yeah, Indianexpress, even better.
    Just amazing what an Empire of lies could build up.
    People lose the sense and logic, once they lose the basic fact. Just believe whatever your media want to feed you, suit you brainwashed very well.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  106. Che Guava says:
    @Alden

    Larry Romanoff is at best, as pseudonymous as any here.

    Try a ‘net search on his name.

    I just did.

    No such person exists.

  107. Durruti says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I appreciate your well intentioned communication. I have 2 bones to pick with you, and a sweetener at the end.

    I’m not a fan of the original Durruti who fought on the wrong side in Spain.

    1. Orwell hinted that both sides in the Spanish Civil War were “wrong” although, as with Durutti, he fought for the Republic. You might peruse George Orwell‘s autobiographical “Homage to Catalonia.”
    https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=7b9301b11e71ac0cJmltdHM9MTY2ODEyNDgwMCZpZ3VpZD0xMTM1ZTQ3Mi00ZmZhLTZiZWYtMWMwYi1mNjJiNGVlZDZhZTEmaW5zaWQ9NTMwMw&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=1135e472-4ffa-6bef-1c0b-f62b4eed6ae1&psq=homage+to+catalonia+by+george+orwell&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZHJlYWRzLmNvbS9ib29rL3Nob3cvOTY0Ni5Ib21hZ2VfdG9fQ2F0YWxvbmlh&ntb=1

    The Spanish Military, serving international Financial Oligarchs, launched a violent attempt to overthrow the elected Spanish Republic Government. Orwell, and Spain’s Anarchists had no choice, but to support the elected government of Spain.

    By way of analogy, in 2022, the Russians have no choice but to support the Elected Government of the Ukraine (which was overthrown by force and violence eight years ago). It is convenient to support the winner in Spain – 1939, Falangist Concentration Camps held hundreds of thousands of Republican soldiers prisoners, for years. WW II was to begin a few months later.

    Holland (NL Bach Society) is next door to your father’s homeland.
    Maybe you could get citizenship and move back ?

    2. My father served in the Belgian, as well as the American armies. He retained Loyalty to both countries, but told me that America was my country, and while I may criticize the Government, I must always love my country-America.

    Have visited my relatives in Belgium. The family has spread out, from Denmark, to Austria. I recall my father could speak & write 4 languages. He was a tremendous cabinetmaker (made Harpsichords, and other beautiful furnitures). I worked with him until he returned (your suggestion?) to Antwerp.

    My email -used on Unz, is florentdefeu, name of my closest cousin.

    Arthur MacBride, my friend, You can never go back!

    Dr. Peter J. Antonsen – nom de guerre, Durruti

    *Norwegian Naval Engineer, met French woman, settled & raised family in Antwerp.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  108. @Anon

    I am familiar with the integrity of Western media. That does not surprise me.

    What also does not surprise me is that from Asians, instead of truth, I only get counter lies to the Western lies. So if you are both going to lie my only option is to stay with kin.

    Constant lying does not promote you as a human to me.

  109. Che Guava says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Well said Mr. Romanoff. I was composing the same on WP and Google for this thread, you have beaten me to it and pretty much covered all of I would have said in a brief comment.

    Only one small point, WP can still be useful for basic chem, physics, maths, physiol., other fields, 100% is an exaggeration, 100% control, but much input they don’t care about.

    Google, too true, but one can avold them.

  110. KenR says:

    A few years ago the website InfoGalactic forked from Wikipedia hoping to offer a solution. Many still do not know about it, though. InfoGalactic was a fork, an exact copy of Wikipedia at the time. No effort was made to correct Wikipedia’s crimes, the idea was simply to remove it all from activist control.

    The hope was that given 1) a sufficiently large and engaged user community; 2) time; 3) effective policing against inevitable activist incursions; that a more sensible sort of Wikipedia would “evolve”. Other big hopes and plans were offered, too, such as a personally tailored experience for users.

    The effort is still ongoing, but results haven’t been an overwhelming success. Nevertheless, you can edit a page for truth on InfoGalactic, and this won’t be undone the very next day by activist moderators a la Wikipedia. Slowly, over time, they might get somewhere. It’s an on-going process, and a never-ending battle.

    FWIW. Join the fray if you please, and realize that any contribution you might make to the pages actually stands a chance of survival.

  111. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Alden

    Excuse me, this comment

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/democracy-the-most-dangerous-religion-part-8-chinas-democracy-experiments/#comment-5650711

    is supposed to be a the linked reply.

    I wonder if you can use #comment-5650711 directly.

  112. Alrenous says: • Website
    @DanFromCT

    At least the monarch we choose

    If you can choose the king they’re not the king.
    The power of succession is absolute power.

  113. @Sidewalk Meanderings

    Giving the government enough power to dictate which restaurants should operate and what we should eat would stifle innovation and be disastrous for our health in the long run, since millions of people have such a wide variety of nutritional needs that no government bureaucracy, no matter how smart its managers are, can satisfy them.

    Nonsense. There is no need for “innovation” in nutrition. Human nutritional needs are well known. The only innovation free market has brought anyway is 50 different flavors of Mountain Dew, or Doritos dust scientifically engineered for hyperpalatability to cause people to overeat. Nobody needs this garbage.

    • Replies: @Sidewalk Meanderings
  114. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Hulkamania

    Americans let McGovern tell them what to eat.

    McGovern strongly believed that meat is warrior food and Americans should eat peasant slop, especially since his donors were in the grain business. Apparently meat and milk has a weak lobby.

    See also: the government assures us it keeps the food safe, and thus we can be 100% sure the food is not safe.
    The eggs and bread you can get at a grocery store isn’t even food. The “”milk”” is basically contaminated water; extremely overpriced. The less said about their frankenchicken, the better. Almost everything is adulterated with something or other.

    On the plus side, McGovern lowering the demand for meat causes the price to also go down.

  115. meamjojo says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “Wiki is 100% a Jewish organisation and exists only to further the Jews’ world view”

    [roflol] That sounds acceptable to me.

  116. How much do they pay you to write this crap?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  117. @Fran Taubman

    Stop talking to yourself, old girl. It’s the first sign of madness, and ‘God’s presence’.

  118. @Sidewalk Meanderings

    As a rabid moron, you seem to have no idea of the state that China was in when Mao came to power in 1949. Just eating was the priority. And you are brainwashed in the full capitalist sewer of mindless verbiage. Of course you are also a racist, as most Rightists are. Cheap computers are the result of mass production, mostly in China, you dullard. As for ‘competition’ well that works in many cases, but so does co-operation, anathema to all Rightwing misanthropes like yourself. This is not ‘name-calling’, other than calling a spade a spade, but description. You are what you are.

  119. @Athena

    But why did he not hit that mobile pile of Zionazi adipose as it approached him menacingly? Just for all those Palestinians brutalised by such thugs. He is, in my opinion, right on concerning Neuer, who appears from time to time on Murdoch’s SkyNews sewer here, and is a fairly typical, I would say, pustule of Talmudic hatred for the goyim.

    • Replies: @Athena
  120. Athena says:

    Canada, Remembrance Day TODAY. Canadian soldiers remember Yugoslavia, dismembered by US/UK NATO

    1. 1993: US/UK/NATO start to fuel a civil war, train the Croats against the Serbs

    Canadian soldiers remember Medak Pocket, where they were sent as ”peacekeepers” by the US/UK/Nato hypocrites who backed and trained the other side (the Croats), Serbs tortured and burned alive by the monsters:

    2. 1999: NATO bombs Serbia (Belgrade), bombs the Chinese embassy.

    China is then ‘offered money to compensate for the bombing’ by these monsters. Bombing the Chinese embassy and then offering money as compensation is how the US-Nato apologized to China.

    3. 2008: US/UK/NATO SUPPORT the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo stolen from Serbia (illegal under UN resolution 1244). US/UK/Canada support the OUN(A) (Ustasha = NAZIS) in Kosovo. MONSTERS

  121. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    1. Never left, have been meddling ever since?

    2.

    is not reproducing

    …because some white people are systematically trying to destroy white countries/civilization/people etc?

  122. Athena says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I agree.

    Inrestingly, an article on this in the Suburban typically corresponds to what virtually ALL canadian media are doing: they portray victims as aggressors, and conversely, aggressors as victims. Thus according to the Suburban, Engler who was punched and detained is the aggressor, while the Rabbi is the victim:

    ”During the ensuing melee, Rabbi Reuben Poupko told The Suburban the activist punched him in the stomach.

    Rabbi Poupko later revealed that police were called, and he said he was punched. “We’re pressing charges for assault,” he told The Suburban.”

    See on:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20221108151550/https:/www.thesuburban.com/news/city_news/rabbi-pressing-charges-for-assault-at-hillel-neuer-speech/article_9f9f3b33-ef50-566d-a300-5fa8af7b094e.html

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  123. @Serge Krieger

    Austfailia is a good example of democracy as fraud. Our two main parties are both neo-liberal capitalist and toadies of the USA and Israel. When the Liberal Party ‘won’ in 2019, it came after three years when they lost virtually every opinion poll, and by-election, even in the safest seats.
    During the election campaign they lost EVERY poll, and then lost the exit polls showing a strong swing to Labor. But when the votes were ‘counted’ the Liberals, miraculously, ‘won’. I doubt that we’ll ever find out how that was stolen.
    Just yesterday the Federal Police, long tools of the Liberals, announced that a giant hack of the Medibank health insurance business was done by-you guessed it, China. Only kidding, it was Iran. Oops, I meant RUSSIA. The evidence was not forthcoming, of course. To question it would be TREASON. The plod could not, obviously, do the ‘investigative’ work required, so the invisible, secret, ‘evidence’ must have come from the Five Eyes thugs. Or Bellingcrap, perhaps.
    It was stated that the Russian group was NOT ‘linked to The Kremlin’, but, bizarrely, was claimed to operate under Putin’s protection. In other words sheer, unadulterated, bullshit, loyally regurgitated with furrowed brows and stern visages by the apes of the MSM.
    Then our Labor, one-term, pipsqueak PM, Albanese, face all twisted in an expression of distaste and determined stupidity, vowed to confront Fu Man Xi at the G20, to ‘defend Australian values’ like the ongoing slow genocide through poverty and mass incarceration (a real one, unlike that of the Uighurs)of the Indigenous people, and the maniacal drive to attack China on orders from the USA, and thus commit national suicide. Yes, democracy IS the best system, aside from all others.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
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  124. @Athena

    As the Poles say, ‘The Jew cries out in pain as he punches you in the face’. Imagine that mobile blimp of piss, shit, lard and malice with a Uzi, terrorising Palestinians. ‘Hit in the stomach’??-his belly filled the room! The worst of the Jews, the fundamentalist, terrorist, Zionazi, racist, settler fascists, must be among the most hideously Evil specimens of the genus Homo ever seen. And, in their wickedness and arrogance, they are building up mountains of antipathy towards themselves from most of the planet, and of really, really, bad karma.

    • Replies: @Athena
  125. @mulga mumblebrain

    Random draw would only change the time of bribery by the rich rulers to after selection

    …the said bribery would become impossible at the moment the men-and-women-to-bribe would number — for instance here in Belgium — seven or eight millions (out of a population of 11,5)

  126. @Alden

    Why are you so stuck on the China of the past?

    Has the USA changed in the last 40 years?

    Do you think China has stayed the same in the last 40 years?

  127. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Why “…the κληρωτήριον/klèrōtērion system…”, why not the kleroterion system ?

  128. @Stephan

    Tribal elders were also chosen because they were of good report (proven rather than implied integrity) too. On local levels in many societies they still exist.

  129. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Mocking and disrespecting leaders is Satanic according to the apostles. That is a feature of so called liberal democracies… Well democracy originated with the Greeks. Do the math…

  130. @Alden

    Had there never been an 8 Nation Alliance of western countries and Japan ganging up on China to rape it – there would never had been any communist revolution….

  131. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Hulkamania

    The problem being that a society that punishes deviants like teachers instead of rewarding them ends up with no teachers in the first place. The problem is proof the problem has no feasible solution.

    Just don’t send your kids to school.
    Let everyone else pay the idiot tax so your kids have an advantage.

  132. DrWatson says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Yehudi and his sister Hephzibah were tremendous humanists and ornaments to their ‘race’, religion and humanity.

    Yes, and a fantastic violinist, too. I didn’t know about his son. Interesting views for sure.

  133. @mulga mumblebrain

    Mumbler, do you still think AnAl is a one-term pipsqueak after he did in fact confront Xi physically, with lists of Chinese economic sanctions on Australia as his main concern? If he gets the sanctions lifted will he be one-term? Was he just squeaking?

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  134. @Hulkamania

    Another advantage of free markets, besides the wide variety of restaurants
    for every taste, is the farmers’ markets that have sprung up in many towns
    and cities across the US. People can buy fresh fruits and vegetables directly
    from the local farmers, cutting out the middleman and helping support the
    local farmers against the giant corporations. There’s no law that says people
    can consume only Doritos chips—they can buy fresh tortillas and tortilla chips
    directly from small food producers at the farmers’ markets who grind their
    own corn. They also make delicious salsa and avocado dips.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  135. Athena says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Democracy in Canada 2: another punch in the face

    It’s not really democratic to punch in the face a citizen who wants to know why the Canadian taxpayer money is used to fund R/D of a foreign army. This is not the Canadian army. Why do Canadians have to pay for this?

    See:

    https://yvesengler.com/2022/11/15/another-disruption-of-anti-palestinian-event-another-punch/#more-4468

    More than other Israeli universities, Technion has substantial ties to the IDF. “Technion has all but enlisted itself in the Israeli armed forces”, noted a pamphlet by New Yorkers Against the Cornell-Technion Partnership. It has various research and student initiatives with the IDF. Technion, for instance, developed a remote-controlled bulldozer, which the IDF uses to demolish Palestinian homes.

  136. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Yeah, he’s a pipsqueak. The fracas with China is entirely Western in origin and exacerbation. We banned Huawei without evidence for ‘sins’ that the USA commits EVERY day. That was the start of the economic war.
    We got all flustered because the Yellow Peril dared to fight back. As we turned northern Australia into a base for US aggression and training, we seemed to think that the ChiComms would just sit back and keep handing over billions, that we obediently recycled to US MIC corporations as tribute, in return for weapons to kill Chinese and destroy China.
    As we, FALSELY, accused China of ‘interfering’ in our politics, and, even more wickedly, of carrying out a ‘genocide’ in Xinjiang (a filthy Big Lie peddled almost exclusively by the Western race-haters)we seemed to think that the Chinese would just ‘suck it up’. As our sewer MSM published NOTHING but negative stories concerning China, many rotten with race and cultural hatred, we accused them of ‘incitement’. The psychopaths’ typical projection onto their intended victims.
    And now we flounce about demanding that China accede to ALL our demands, and utterly refusing to meet them halfway. A demand made by pomaded ponces and fanatic feminazis in the MSM and the slimy ‘human rights’ organisations, with such arrogance and racist contempt that it leaves you gob-smacked. As one Chinese diplomat put it, the Austfailians seem to see China as nothing but a milch-cow, to be milked for tens of billions in trade surpluses, then slaughtered at our leisure. And the entire MSM and political caste are completely ‘on board’ with this sprint to the race war that will, one way or another, destroy this fecking fifth-rate country, simply because our Masters in the USA ABSOLUTELY expect it. Or else, as Whitlam learned.

  137. @Sidewalk Meanderings

    besides the wide variety of restaurants
    for every taste, ………..in many towns
    and cities across the US.

    In the US, I have noticed exactly the opposite phenomenon …. Chain restaurants dominate the market. It appears that the big boys are in the process of eating up everybody else.

    There is far more variety in Asia and Europe. Am I the only one with this observation? Any widely travelled person can chime in?

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