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Americans and Automobiles: Capitalism and Propaganda

One of the grand parts of American mythology revolves around what is called “America’s Love Affair With the Automobile”, presented as an exciting if a bit quirky personal expression of independent and freedom-loving America, where inexpensive mass transportation failed to evolve due to Americans’ individuality and desire for freedom. But this historical narrative is wrong. Today’s US ‘car culture’ was the result of a massive conspiracy contrived by the auto and oil oligarchs and, like the consumer society, imposed on an unsuspecting nation through deceit and propaganda. Most of the truth has been deleted from the historical record and replaced with a ‘feel-good’ fairytale. After trashing the mass transit systems, the automakers led by GM produced a wide array of mythical narratives to justify and praise the transportation system they had created.

Some Background

This story begins, as do many others similar, in the early 1900s, when the US was busy industrialising, when mass public transportation consisting of trains and trams was filling much of the nation’s needs. Autos were of course rapidly evolving at the same time, but gasoline-powered transportation, whether by private auto or mass transit, was on its way out. Almost all of the nation’s local and inter-city train transport was electric, and electric automobiles were rapidly gaining ground over their gas-powered rivals. By 1900, nearly 40% of all US cars were electric, and were so popular that New York City had a fleet of electric taxis.

Early electric cars outperformed their gas competitors and people liked them because they didn’t have the smell, noise, or vibration of gasoline cars, were easier to operate, and didn’t require cranking or gear changing. The NYT noted that women especially preferred them for the absence of smoke and smelly fumes, especially when refueling.[1]38% Of American Cars Were Electric In 1900[2]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9...96D6CF It appeared a certainty that electric vehicles were the wave of the future, but then within only about three years the transportation landscape irreversibly changed and electric vehicles, like the dinosaurs, suffered a fatal climate change and died.

General Motors is a Serial Killer:

Felony Murder Number One

At that time, General Motors and the major oil companies were facing a multiple crisis. The auto market had already been saturated and sales growth so anemic that in 1921 alone GM lost more than \$65 million and was well on its way to the cemetery, oil company revenues and profits sharing this dismal future. GM and its friends realised their only hope for salvation was to eliminate their one rival – mass public transit, and hatched a plan that would forever change the course of the US economy, its transportation, culture, and society itself. One hundred years ago General Motors, John Rockefeller, and a few close friends, using very large sums of money and every form of deception, coercion and intimidation short of murder, singlehandedly killed the US electric auto and train industry, buying up and destroying the rolling stock of almost 1,000 US railroads and tramways so it could sell them gasoline-engined vehicles instead, and virtually killing off mass public transit at the same time.[3]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

According to the company’s own files, GM created a special secret division charged with the task of exterminating mass transit and replacing it with gasoline-powered propulsion, eliminating all traces of electric vehicles. At the time, GM was an enormously powerful firm, possessing great financial leverage with the banking systems and therefore over the railways which required bank financing and support. They threatened each railroad with a complete withdrawal of all lucrative freight business unless the rail company replaced its electric locomotives with GM’s gasoline-powered units. By every manner of extortion, they attempted to force local transit systems to abandon electric trams and purchase GM’s gasoline-powered buses. According to US Justice Department records, GM executives visited the banks used by the various railways, offering them millions in additional deposits and other rewards in exchange for delivering financial threats to their rail clients to persuade them to abandon their electric systems and convert to gas-powered GM vehicles. GM’s threat to these banks was to withdraw all deposits if they refused to cooperate.[4]https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/...n.aspx

In each case where this conspiracy was successful and local tramways converted to gasoline buses, GM not only bought and crushed the electric vehicles, but tore out all the tracks and redistributed the rights of way so that it would have been virtually impossible to ever rebuild these systems. In cases where their efforts failed, GM formed numerous holding companies with its invisible friends and attempted to purchase and convert the railways themselves. According to FBI files, in cases where rail systems could not be bought, GM bought the rail officials instead, bribing them with large sums of cash, gifts of new cars, and the use of threats and extortion in a surprisingly uninhibited manner. GM also sponsored and financed corrupt officials in countless municipal elections, who would then vote for the sale of their local electric rail system to GM. Most of this was done in the name of a holding company named National City Lines, which was jointly owned by GM, Standard Oil and Firestone Tire. In each case where these rail systems converted from electric to gas, they experienced a rapid and large decline in revenue, since passengers abandoned the slow and foul-smelling gasoline buses and purchased autos instead – which was part of the plan.

One stumbling block remained in that many local electric tramway systems were owned by the regional electric utility company, using their own surplus electricity for public transport systems, and here GM had no leverage. To eliminate this blockage, GM and its invisible people lobbied, bribed and extorted the nation’s elected politicians to pass new legislation that prohibited ‘regulated’ electrical utility companies from operating ‘unregulated’ businesses like the electric tramway and train systems. This cute legislative trick forced the utility companies to put all their electric train systems up for sale, all of which were immediately purchased by GM and its holding companies, and trashed. With these efforts and more, within three years, GM dismantled almost all of the 1,000 electric railroads and tramways in the US, having purchased and crushed for scrap metal their entire rolling stock, and replaced it with GM-made gasoline-powered units.[5]http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm And so, for the first time, General Motors killed the electric car.

Wikipedia covers these facts in some detail, the only qualification being the claim that this is yet another irresponsible “conspiracy theory”. But, as usual, if we assume that everything Wikipedia claims as false is really true, we have quite an accurate picture. Worthy of note is that Wiki also floods the landscape with tons of irrelevant detail so as to smoke up the room so badly that we lose sight of the core issue – a standard Hasbara tactic.

The Real Beneficiaries of Democracy

Of course, there were court cases that attempted to deal with the multitude of illegalities, federal prosecutors charging that GM engaged in “a careful, deliberately planned campaign to swindle the American public out of its most important and valuable public utilities”. But American judges proved to be as easily bought as the politicians and the matter eventually died in the courtrooms, with General Motors being fined \$5,000 and GM’s Treasurer H. C. Grossman and a few others fined \$1.00 each. Over the years, GM has defended its actions by blaming suburban sprawl and the resultant rise in sales of private automobiles, as well declining passenger loads in electric public transit, ignoring the fact that GM itself was responsible for those results.

This unconscionable sabotage of America’s transportation infrastructure by the auto and oil companies evidences the almost criminal ability of private corporations in a fascist (democratic) regime to effect sweeping changes in public life and culture, without public accountability or debate, or even awareness.

In Requiem

It is tragic that electric automobiles were killed off so early in their life. Had that transition been permitted to occur at its inception, we would have now had more than 100 years of intense battery research and development and incalculable benefits to the world’s environment. We can only guess at the possible results for land, sea and air transport. This is a critical historical narrative. One observer wrote that “A theme likely to be emphasised in history will be the enormous strategic error made by both the US and Canada in enslaving themselves to individual motorized transportation.”

The following quote is so compellingly true it should be engraved on the mind of every citizen:

“The long-term negative effects of this conspiracy of some of America’s most ruthless corporations are literally beyond calculation. The forced switch from environmentally-friendly public transit to the private car and diesel buses results in squandering irreplaceable petroleum resources and all the murder and mayhem which has gone to secure or steal oil around the world. The conspiracy to destroy electric autos and electric mass transport has resulted in vastly increased pollution and, ultimately, in climatic change. The engineered obsession with the private car has led to millions of excess deaths and injuries in automobile accidents, hundreds of billions of dollars in debt for Americans and a catastrophic change in the way American cities have developed, with the devastation of urban neighborhoods, the destruction of urban small business and countless other economic and sociological effects.” (Making the World Safe for Hypocrisy)

The American people were for generations complimented on their individualism, adventuresome spirit and their love of freedom and independence – and for the choices they believed they made but that had been made for them by others. Here as in no other market is it so true that the capitalists were selling “not so much products as emotion itself, psychologically linking the act of purchasing an automobile to falsely-manufactured feelings of confidence, freedom, happiness, empowerment and independence, tying the very self-identity of Americans to the purchase of an automobile.”

Digging a Deeper Grave: Highways and Suburbs

But GM wasn’t finished yet. At the time, most people who wanted a car and could afford it, had already bought one, but an even greater problem was that even if you had a car there was no place to go. Roads were not plentiful and good roads almost non-existent; the most common motoring experience was being stuck in 60 cms. of mud with no help in sight. To deal with this lack of infrastructure, GM and its friends heavily lobbied, bullied and bribed Federal and State governments for the construction of roads and highways, and with great success. The US government embarked on a massive interstate road-building program that would cover the entire country. One of the greatest lies in American history books is that this vast road-building program was initiated “for the war effort, to protect the country” in ways unspecified. At the same time, each State was individually “persuaded” to abandon all investment and maintenance in railways and other public transport, thereby sacrificing the good of the nation by instead making huge public expenditures on highways that were useful only to those who owned private automobiles, effectively stranding all other citizens at home with no way to go anywhere.

GM didn’t stop with undermining the nation’s public transport and replacing it with a highway system for its private automobiles. There still remained the problem of encouraging, or forcing, people to buy cars. In any large European or Asian metropolis, a private auto is unnecessary, since these cities exhibit exemplary city planning, designed for people rather than cars, with high residential density, excellent public transport, and no artificial segregation of basic functions like living, working and shopping. The design of cities and city centers we see in North America is a crime against humanity, but few are aware of this. North Americans who don’t travel, cannot imagine the ease and comfort of life in well-planned cities.

Ample evidence exists that the US took a very different route because the civic planning faculties of major US universities were infiltrated by auto makers and oil companies, then funded and instructed on the city planning philosophies that would make autos necessary. The result was that American and Canadian cities were planned, designed and constructed primarily, if not exclusively, to make private transportation mandatory. To its credit, the rest of the world was not seduced. European and Asian cities remain far more livable and enjoyable than any in the US

Suburbs are an invention created and existing only in the US and Canada, designed entirely to keep workplaces, shopping and residences not only physically segregated but sufficiently scattered that even good public transport becomes ineffective or useless, thereby forcing hundreds of millions of people to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on private transportation solely for the benefit of the car makers and oil companies. This American-style city planning, the creation of suburbs, was one of the meanest anti-social schemes ever devised by American capitalism.

In so many North American cities life is impossible without a car. Economists at Harvard and Berkeley did a study named the Equality of Opportunity Project, which found a significant negative correlation between residential segregation and the ability of the poor to rise. Partly, this was separating rich and poor neighborhoods, but partly because in US-designed cities basically everything is very far apart from everything else, making an efficient public transport system almost impossible. The most notable result is that lower-income workers are stranded; there may be jobs available, but with no public transport and no car, they literally cannot get there.[6]The Equality of Opportunity Project

In well-planned cities like Rome and Shanghai and so many others in Europe and Asia, an automobile is completely unnecessary because the cities were designed for people rather than cars. As mentioned, there is no artificial separation of living, working and shopping spaces, with so many other functions and necessities deeply integrated into the community. In Rome, it isn’t unusual to find an elementary school occupying one or two floors of a large apartment or office building, extremely convenient to all families living in the area. This sounds strange to an American, but it works beautifully. In all of the world’s most livable cities, this kind of close integration is the same, with one never needing to walk more than perhaps 300 meters to satisfy almost any need, and with excellent public transport taking care of the rest.

Felony Murder Number Two

In 1990, the State of California passed new anti-pollution legislation mandating the production and use of zero-emission autos in the state, stipulating that if auto manufacturers planned to sell their products in California, 10% of those sales would have to consist of emission-free vehicles, which means electric automobiles. The state did not attempt to provide solutions to every driving problem nor to satisfy all possible needs of all motorists. The legislation was meant as a beginning of the process to eliminate the pollution from gasoline-powered automobiles, and so addressed attention to the large and easy sector of motoring society, the 70% of urban dwellers who face a two-way commute of less than 50 Kms per day. Recognising that electricity for recharging was available in virtually every imaginable place, California envisaged short-distance autos that could be recharged both at work and at home.

Based on this approach, the state rebuffed demands from the auto industry to first construct a vast network of charging stations, refusing to permit the automakers to shift their industry’s development costs onto the public sector. They simply said, “If you want to sell cars in our state, ten percent of your sales must be zero-emission vehicles. How you accomplish that is your problem”. There is no question California did it right, their approach both commendable and successful – for a while. All firms produced versions of electric or hybrid autos that met the requirements, with some like the Prius becoming permanent successes. GM’s contribution, the EV-1, was a simple auto powered by basic lead-acid batteries and with a range of only 100 Kms, but that was sufficient for the daily commute of most of the state’s urban motorists.

But GM and its oil-company friends violently objected to this compulsion for electric autos and, in surreptitious preparation to force a legislative repeal, GM refused to sell the EV-1 to customers, but offered it only on a lease basis so as to maintain ownership. GM, the oil companies and other auto-related firms then lobbied, pressured, bullied, bribed, and eventually sued the California government for repeal of the legislation, the US government led by President Bush eventually joining the legal action. Bush’s chief of staff Andrew Card had been the head of the American Automobile Manufacturers Alliance, and White House staff like Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and other federal officials were former executives or directors of oil and auto companies. The US government had once again served the short-term interests of the corporate elite at the expense of long-term best interests of the nation.

GM and others created pressure groups to lobby against electric cars, pretending to be citizen action committees but who were financed by the auto industry. Intense and unremitting pressure was put on California to rescind its zero-emission laws until the state finally capitulated. The instant that happened, GM repossessed all its electric cars and crushed them for scrap. And so, for the second time, General Motors killed the electric car. GM later blamed this on insufficient demand but the electric cars were so loved that drivers handcuffed themselves to the cars to prevent GM from seizing them.

Felony Murder Number Three

There was another matter, relating to battery capacity and range. GM’s initial EV-1 used simple lead-acid batteries without problem, but foreign auto manufacturers (Toyota’s RAV-4) were already using nickel-metal-hydride batteries which delivered greater travel distances. At precisely that time, a firm named Ovonics had developed new NiMH technology that would have increased the range of electric vehicles to at least 400-500 Kms between charges, thereby making private electric transportation possible on a mass scale. GM immediately bought – at a very high price – the exclusive worldwide patent rights to this NiMH technology and locked it in a closet, refusing to license any firms to produce these batteries for auto use. GM later sold these patent rights to US-based Texaco-Chevron oil, who even today refuses access to this technology. NiMH has proven to be the best battery for plug-in electric cars, but manufacturers have been forced into lithium technology (which is about 6 times as expensive and with no recycle value) because of GM’s determination to prevent electric autos from ever becoming a reality. And so, for the third time, General Motors successfully killed the electric car.[7]https://www.amazon.com/Car-That-Could-Revolutionary-...42105X As late as 2018, GM was at it again, killing the Volt, Cruze, and Impala, claiming public preference for SUVs.[8]Nathan Bomey, USA TODAY, Nov. 26, 2018

A House Built on Sand . . .

One of the main challenges is that auto makers derive far more profit from financing vehicle purchases and the sale of auto parts than from the sale of new vehicles. Prior to its bankruptcy, GM was making three times as much profit from both its finance arm and auto parts divisions, than from making and selling cars. Auto dealerships share this model where service and parts sales constitute less than 10% of revenue but 50% of profit. Since electric vehicles have perhaps only half the number of parts as their gasoline-powered relatives, and very few moving parts – almost none of which break or need regular replacement – they are more reliable and require much less maintenance or service than do gasoline-powered vehicles. These factors would eliminate a major portion of the revenue and the bulk of the profits of both manufacturers and their dealerships, forcing a massive reorganisation of the entire auto/transportation industry, to say nothing of exterminating most of the major oil companies.

The Power of The City of London

Electric cars are an existential threat to the Zionist international bankers who are the final beneficial owners of most of the major oil companies and who control in one way or another much of the world’s petroleum extraction and distribution, as well as heavy stakes in the auto manufacturers. Witnessing the trend to electric cars is like watching in slow motion the approach of one’s own funeral procession, one which appears unstoppable. The production and distribution of electricity cannot be controlled by these bankers because there are too many producers of electricity, mostly local or provincial governments who will not sell their infrastructure, and electricity is already widely distributed in almost every conceivable place. If these few extractive vampires cannot control the world’s fuel sources, if nations turn to electric autos with the NiMH battery or a new equivalent, and generate centrally their own electricity, our international bankers will suffer total losses in the trillions of dollars.

Following the third felony murder, the US auto industry, led by GM, initiated a noisy propaganda campaign to eliminate electric vehicles as much as possible from the public mind and government attention, using the promotion of hydrogen fuel cell development as a fraudulent distraction. Hydrogen is today far from a viable alternative for widespread public use, with many serious safety and distribution issues. Some manufacturers have produced concept cars they hope to put into production, but we are still decades from useful implementation.

But the real issue is this:. Driving the frantic push to hydrogen fuel cell vehicles is the fact that the only useful source of hydrogen in the quantities necessary for auto fuel is petroleum or, more precisely, natural gas – methane. If these few people can force the conversion from gasoline to hydrogen, they will not only avoid the massive and costly restructuring looming for the auto industry with the change to electric cars, but will continue forever to control the entire production and distribution system for vehicle fuels.

They are so desperate that Toyota was bludgeoned into offering unlimited use of its thousands of fuel-cell patents without license fees for years, in the hope of kick-starting the process, in their words hoping to “spur development and introduction of innovative fuel cell technologies”. This small group of wealthy bankers was forcing and funding an enormous push for cooperation between all possible parties, in what they called “unconventional collaboration”, in an attempt to instill so much speed into the process as to overwhelm and kill other forms of electric automobiles.

In terms of environmental effect, the production of hydrogen from methane is more damaging than is driving gasoline-powered cars, since the hydrogen extraction process actually releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than does the burning of gasoline, on a per-liter basis. In addition, hydrogen is much less efficient than direct battery power and fuel cell autos will be almost twice as expensive as pure electric cars. The only advantages of a fuel cell are the prospect of longer range and shorter refueling times, but battery development will no doubt remove these differences in time.

There is also the aspect of economic and political control, which is not a small thing. The small cabal of European bankers and industrialists who beneficially control most of the world’s international oil companies are on public record as stating that “If you control the oil, you control the world’s economies, and if you control the food, you control the world’s populations”. This is what is at stake; it is not merely their petroleum profits but their political and economic control of nations, that are severely threatened by the move away from petroleum fuels. Consider the fierce economic attack on Russia and Venezuela in late 2014 and 2015 by the dramatic depression in the price of oil, meant almost exclusively to collapse Russia’s petroleum-based economy. Such ‘sanctions’ would be equally successful if the world moves to methane-based hydrogen auto fuel, but would be futile with electric cars.

The matter is even more serious than mere control of the economies of other nations. Recall again that the US military is on record as determined to obtain “full-spectrum domination”, one reason the Americans have been making such a fuss about China’s island installations in the South China Sea. The US military has been counting on the power of its naval fleet to cut off China’s petroleum supply routes in the event of a war, and a Chinese military presence in that area might inhibit US domination of the sea lanes. A military without fuel is no military; all those ships and planes become immobile useless hardware, as Japan discovered in 1940 when the US engineered a total embargo on oil to Japan, setting in motion the strike on Pearl Harbor. But more than that, if China moves to fully electric autos, its domestic petroleum supplies might be sufficient for the military, thereby denying the US a major advantage. Thus, the push to hydrogen fuels is as much about political and military domination as about bankers’ profits.

There is a further problem in that for at least the past 40 years the main scaffold propping up the US dollar is that of pricing the world’s petroleum exclusively in US dollars. If the world moves fully and quickly to electric cars, the price of oil will collapse with the US dollar right behind it, settling somewhere around \$0.30, making the US the world’s richest banana republic. This is such a sensitive issue that when the US agreed to pay Saudi Arabia the much higher oil prices in the early 1970s, a condition was that all petroleum would be priced and sold exclusively in US dollars and that to do otherwise “would be considered an act of war.”

Epilogue

This essay could be considered part of a series detailing how the forces controlling the American government and social landscape have betrayed both the general public and the long-term good of the nation itself, in favor of the private ambitions of a small number of the criminal elite. Americans have recently lost any possibility of excellent mobile phone systems,[9]https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/chinese-and-american-m...stems/

Chinese and American Mobile Phone Systems
have been denied the enormous benefits of high-speed train transportation,[10]https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/chinas-high-speed-trai...e-you/

China’s High-Speed Trains. America, Where Are You?
and have been saddled with almost inhuman urban design, while being denied the incalculable benefits of good public transport while subjected to the tragedy of mass auto transit and everything that entails.

There are many other such crimes against the American people, inflicted upon them by the same group, our by-now famous International Cabal of Gangsters (ICG) operating ultimately out of the City of London. One of the most insidious is the US FED[11]https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/lets-hav...019-2/

Let’s Have a Financial Crisis: First, We Need a Central Bank
, a blood-sucking vampire that badly needs a stake driven through its heart. The American health care system is another of the most obvious,[12]https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-us-healthcare-system/

The US Healthcare System
as is education,[13]https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/1786/

Bernays and Propaganda – Part 4 of 5; The Transition to Education and Commerce
[14]https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/466/

Substandard Education in America
but there are more. If Americans understood their true predicament, and the fundamental causes, there would be a revolution before morning.

Mr. Romanoff’s writing has been translated into 32 languages and his articles posted on more than 150 foreign-language news and politics websites in more than 30 countries, as well as more than 100 English language platforms. Larry Romanoff is a retired management consultant and businessman. He has held senior executive positions in international consulting firms, and owned an international import-export business. He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West. He is one of the contributing authors to Cynthia McKinney’s new anthology ‘When China Sneezes’. (Chapt. 2 — Dealing with Demons). http://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/2187/

His full archive can be seen at: http://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/ and https://www.moonofshanghai.com/

He can be contacted at: [email protected]

Notes

[1] 38% Of American Cars Were Electric In 1900

[2] http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9406E4DA1331E233A25753C2A9679C946096D6CF

[3] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

[4] https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/06/30/GM-Deserves-to-Go-Bankrupt-for-Destroying-Public-Transportation.aspx

[5] http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm

[6] The Equality of Opportunity Project

[7] https://www.amazon.com/Car-That-Could-Revolutionary-Electric/product-reviews/067942105X

[8] Nathan Bomey, USA TODAY, Nov. 26, 2018

[9] https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/chinese-and-american-mobile-phone-systems/

Chinese and American Mobile Phone Systems

[10] https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/chinas-high-speed-trains-america-where-are-you/

China’s High-Speed Trains. America, Where Are You?

[11] https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/lets-have-a-financial-crisis-first-we-need-a-central-bank-october-07-2019-2/

Let’s Have a Financial Crisis: First, We Need a Central Bank

[12] https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-us-healthcare-system/

The US Healthcare System

[13] https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/1786/

Bernays and Propaganda – Part 4 of 5; The Transition to Education and Commerce

[14] https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/466/

Substandard Education in America

 
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  1. anarchyst says:

    The author of this article is “full of (s)h!t”. I’ll bet that he is a full-blown communist, hell-bent on control. He is definitely not an engineer and knows not the first thing about automobiles or transportation systems.
    Utilizing “Harvard experts” to rally against the automobile is par for the course. “They” do not get to decide what is best for anyone…
    The author cannot accept that people wanted automobiles and purchased them willingly without coercion.
    The automobile has been the most liberating of populations of any device invented by mankind as it allows the driver to go anywhere he wants at anytime. If this is not freedom, I don’t know what is.
    The automobile allows one to live wherever they want without limitations. It’s called FREEDOM.
    The “war on the automobile” is being waged by those who HATE the concept of free persons having mobility wherever and whenever they want.
    “Livable cities” is laughable, especially here in the USA.
    The author HATES both “urban sprawl”, suburban and rural living and would force people to live in cities…not being given a choice.
    The author’s premise that “livable cities” means people living like sardines in soviet-style apartments is just something that any normal, decent people would be loathe to accept.
    The oft-repeated lie that GM bought mass-transit systems to force people to purchase automobiles is laughable.
    People don’t want to ride stinky miserable mass-transit systems on someone else’s time schedule but prefer to use their own vehicles. Once again, despite the author’s disdain, it’s called FREEDOM.
    Hey author Romanoff, the USA is not Europe.
    I among most others relish the freedom that the automobile gives to humanity.

  2. Readers may find this interesting:

    https://dangerousminds.net/comments/elmer_fudd_capitalist_shill_the_auto_industry

    ELMER FUDD, CAPITALIST SHILL: THE AUTO INDUSTRY FINANCES LOONEY-TUNES PROPAGANDA, 1950s

  3. @anarchyst

    The “Ugly American” number is slightly over the top but otherwise satisfactory.

    – For a century now Americans have wallowed in the delusion that cheap gas
    is a Sibbyl Rite ™ – a too-classic case of “perverse incentive” – which
    wouldn´t be so bad were it not for all the wars visited upon the planet
    to keep it up …
    These times are now ending, like it or somewhat less so.
    (Of course there´s always the path of another world war, but it won´t
    avail you shit either this time. Have fun with your joggers.)

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Odyssey
  4. @anarchyst

    I could tell by the end of the first paragraph what I was dealing with. And immediately hit the comments…… “comment”

    This video is an absolute utopia to the author.

  5. JR Foley says:
    @anarchyst

    Agree–USA is a sick society—a nation fixated on guns and their car or pickup truck. NRA meeting in Texas featured some great speakers and John Hagee was to make an appearance under his new mantra ” Honk -when Jesus Comes !”

    • Troll: anarchyst
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  6. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    I like countries that have plenty low-fare cabs, very low fare cabs with specific routes and low fare mini buses for longer distances.

    Auto cos have treated customers and employees like dirt when able.

    • Agree: Sarah
  7. @interesting

    “This video is an absolute utopia to the author.”

    That video was taken in Tokyo, Japan, not in China.

    What exactly was your point?

  8. anarchyst says:
    @nokangaroos

    Oh, you enlightened types are so much fun…
    Far from being “fossil fuel”, hydrocarbons are not only plentiful but are being created by yet-unknown processes deep within the earth.
    The term “fossil fuel” was coined in the 1950s when little was known about the processes by which oil is produced. Oil is “abiotic” in nature, as even depleted oil wells are “filling back up” from deep below the earth’s surface.
    Oil interests are drilling wells at 5,000 feet, 10,000 feet, and 15,000 feet and deeper, and coming up with oil deposits way below the layers and levels where “fossils” were known to exist.
    As Russia gained much expertise in deep-well drilling and coming up with oil deposits far deeper than that of the level of “fossils”, abiotic oil at extreme depths was actually a Russian “state secret” for a long time.
    Not only that, but there are planetary bodies in which hydrocarbons are naturally occurring (without fossils).
    “Peak oil” and “fossil fuels” are discredited concepts that environmentalists and others are latching on to, in order to display their hatred of oil being a truly renewable resource as well as to push prices up.
    Follow the money.

  9. Mittens says:

    That essay has changed my world view. How can we let these parasitic bankers dictate our lives; past, present and future? They use their excessive wealth to extort and corrupt. Where have all the honourable people gone? These ‘governors’ are infecting us with their perverted human values and destroying everything they touch. Unfortunately, these parasites may only be stopped when they totally destroy their host. Supporting electric cars is the preferable option. 👍

  10. @JR Foley

    Actually isn’t the country really fixated on gender, sexual orientation, skin tone, killing babies in the womb, lowering all metrics in the name of “equity”, white supremacy and vaccine mandates ?????????

    In terms of gender so much so that Biden felt the need to defend trans kids in an address to congress.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  11. @Larry Romanoff

    Mass transit will never work in the United States, maybe ride share will, but trains and buses, never going to happen. Also, anecdotal story, but in the early days of the pandemic there was an article from A chines person (I’m sure in your world that too was a GM/FORD, plant) telling Americans to never give up their cars because all the Chinese authorities had to do was shut down the buses and the trains thereby ending travel for so many other than walking.

    I get stopped by a train almost every other day, my office is close to that boondoggle Anaheim train depot by angel Stadium (what cash grift that was) and the telling part is that no matter which way the train is going it’s ALWAYS empty…..as is the parking lot.

    And so you wanted the Chinese version I take it…. so there you go.

    • Replies: @Franz
  12. @Mittens

    “Supporting electric cars is the preferable option”

    don’t you really mean coal powered cars? To think the American electrical grid can keep up with 100,000,000 cars charging every week is foolish, no? California can’t keep the lights on as it is. My power went out twice last summer.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  13. Thrallman says:
    @anarchyst

    Freedom for drivers comes at the expense of the young, the poor, and the disabled.

    Suburban sprawl undermines the mobility of those who are fortunate enough to be able to drive. Everything is farther apart. You haven’t gained in mobility, you’ve become dependent on an expensive and unreliable machine.

    Motorized agriculture killed off the small farms. When horses were pulling the plows, a small town needed very little from the rest of the world. Now everybody is dependent on the global capitalists. Some freedom.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Realist
  14. @interesting

    I see you do not understand … it would be a definite improvement if they were lowering “metrics” istead of “imperials” 😉

  15. @anarchyst

    Hans Dominik already foresaw it all in 1934 (“Das stählerne Geheimnis”),
    the heartwarming story of the rugged individualist ™ American entrepreneur,
    complete with wacko (German, not Russian) scientist, following a fringe theory,
    tapping unlimited hydrocarbons in the middle of the Pacific and single-handedly
    defeating the Dreaded Jap.
    The Natzees, hale and heartless that they were, recognized it as science fiction
    (“Utopisch-technischer Roman”).
    Your only hope is the Second Coming and, not being John Hagee (I hope),
    there is no profit under the sun for you there either.

    Which, come to think about it, explains a lot.

    (I believe we already had this discussion – you better not pick a fight with a
    geologist; not on this one. With hydrogen being 96at% of the universe of
    course there are hydrocarbons everywhere – you are always free to
    move (heh) to Titan)
    “Money” is nothing; it is ROEI (return on energy invested) that matters.
    Oil and gas, like PGE and diamonds, do not follow an exponential distribution
    (= doubling the price quadruples the reserves), and as soon as you no longer
    can print \$\$\$ but have to earn them like everybody else it is over anyway.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  16. anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:

    the famous meme

    absolute essential Americanism which may sadly become just a memory

    • Replies: @Grasshopper Kaplan
  17. Odyssey says:
    @nokangaroos

    Tooooooo…kengurkoooooooooooo…..!

  18. anarchyst says:
    @Thrallman

    Q: How are cars expensive and unreliable?
    A: They’re not unreliable at all, but are one of the most efficient ways to get around while enhancing personal freedom to go where one wants when one wants without restrictions. Used cars are plentiful and are available at very reasonable cost.
    Q: How are the young, poor and disabled inconvenienced by cars?
    A: They’re not inconvenienced but can actually get around much easier without being restricted by bus and train schedules. In fact, it is easier for the disabled to get around in a car than it is on public transportation. As to the poor, they can get jobs. Hunger is a potent motivator while welfare, a disincentive to work is just the opposite. The young, poor and disabled are not my problem.
    Q: What’s wrong with wanting more space in which to live?
    A: Nothing. However, in your “ideal world” one would not be permitted to live in suburban or rural areas as transportation choices would be limited. Your desire is for “the masses” to live in soviet-style apartments like sardines…not a pleasant prospect.

    You are a communist control freak who should crawl back inside your shell as you have little or nothing to contribute to the conversation. It is apparent that you know nothing about cars which are one of the most reliable complex machines ever created. You HATE the idea of people going about their business without YOU being able to control the process.
    Your rail about capitalists and control exposes your naivety and lack of common sense.

    • Replies: @Anon
  19. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:

    I recall hearing, a while back, that China committed to a hydrogen fuel-cell transport system. Was that disinformation? Overtaken by events? Or what?

  20. anarchyst says:
    @interesting

    You are correct.
    Today’s ICE (internal combustion engine) cars are much cleaner (approximately 97% from pre-emission controlled vehicles) than even ambient atmospheric conditions in most areas.
    The Los Angeles basin is one of a few unique geographical areas where pollutants get “trapped” between the ocean and mountains. In fact, the native American population named the area “the valley of smoke” as even in the days before the automobile and modern society, the area was know for trapping pollutants. This is what the California pollution standards are based on-one unique geographical area that does not exist anywhere else in California.
    As to electric vehicle batteries, lithium mining is a dirty nasty process. Disposal of old lithium batteries is also a problem, not to mention the more frequent fires caused by spontaneous combustion of vehicle batteries. In fact, some insurance companies warn their clients not to park their electric vehicles on their garages.
    Let’s not forget the electrical grid which is not robust enough to support millions of electric vehicles.
    It is laughable to see electric vehicles that have “run out of juice” on the side of the road being “recharged” with a gas-powered generator.
    Gasoline is still one of the most efficient energy sources (approximately 33.4 Kwh) which can refill a vehicle in minutes compared to hours for electric vehicles.
    The only true success for electric vehicles will be when a 500 mile range and 15 minute refueling time is achieved.
    Until then, I will stick with my ICE vehicle…

  21. anarchyst says:
    @nokangaroos

    You’ve proven my point. Titan, which does not possess fossils yet is composed primarily of hydrocarbons proves my point. I am sure that there are other celestial bodies with comparable characteristics.
    Yes, there are costs to retrieving hydrocarbons from within the earth, but so what?
    Technology has advanced to the point where it is actually much easier to locate and pinpoint hydrocarbon deposits. What say you about depleted wells “filling back up”?
    The term “fossil fuels” is more of a political description than anything else.
    What does the “Second Coming” and that fat pig Hagee have to do with hydrocarbon science?
    When a scientist declares that something is “impossible” he is usually wrong. Science is an evolving process where yesterday’s “truths” are today’s “fables”.
    Best regards,

  22. Yeah the author confused a few things there. First, nothing beats an ICE for range. Ever. No battery will get you as far as a gallon of petrol. Thats why Nabokov parents in 1900s abandoned their electric car for a noisy stinky gas beater. That in St.Peterbourgh, far away from General Motors.

    The conspiracy of GM to destroy city public transit is a proven fact though. In a city, where you can have wire, you do not need any batteris, and trams and trolleybuses and subways function perfectly. Europeans keep enjoying public transit in their towns,even though they have their autobahns as well.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  23. @anarchyst

    The author cannot accept that people wanted automobiles and purchased them willingly without coercion.

    You can’t accept that without public money paving streets and highways, people wouldn’t be buying automobiles in the numbers they did. Interstate highways – public money – built for the US military, are the backbone of long distance motor transport. They were and are a subsidy to the auto and trucking industries that killed railways. How many cars would there be in cities if the streets were still dirt tracks?

    I’m old enough to remember taking the train to the beach in the 1950s. I like driving and riding my motorcycle, but that doesn’t blind me to the facts that the privately owned train service was killed by a publicly funded 4 lane divided highway.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Thanks: showmethereal
  24. @anarchyst

    You seem to assume that there is some science. It is no more, like, aboriginal and black female scholars are decolonizing math, chemistry and physics, so both oil wells and lithium mines are set to perish in a generation, with a general loss of knowledge on how they were built and operated.

    But, an ICE can run on an olive oil! While electric can not. Bummer.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • LOL: Legba
  25. @anarchyst

    It is the nature of science that knowledge is preliminary
    (kind of makes it hard when the laity takes the concession that a “theory”
    is the highest possible degree of confidence as an admission of defeat).
    However fables, unlike virgins, tend to remain fables.
    It is possible to get abiogenic methane under plausible crustal conditions
    (a rather convoluted thing involving reduced iron species) in about the
    same sense it is “possible” to make gold.
    This still wouldn´t explain the pristane and phytane nor why over half the oil
    is middle Cretaceous nor the geographic distribution.

    – I mentioned Hagee because this is where I situate beliefs in abiogenicity,
    “one human race” and a few others; I give the question back to you:
    What is your investment in this particular kookery? If it is just venting
    disgust with the Gretta zombies you are kicking in open doors 😀

  26. anarchyst says:
    @Curmudgeon

    You make a good point…
    However, will the train always take you where you want to go and when you want to go?
    I think not.
    If you live some distance from the train station, you still have to figure out a way to get there. What if you have packages or other items to transport?
    Trains, subways and buses have their place, but are not an end all as far as transportation is concerned.
    Americans value their ability to travel freely in their own vehicles.
    We aren’t Europeans, thank God.

  27. anarchyst says:
    @Curmudgeon

    If author Romanoff had his way, you (we) wouldn’t be driving anywhere. You (we) would be holed up in soviet-style apartments relegated to using public transportation.
    It’s always about CONTROL.
    Regards,

  28. Alrenous says: • Website

    Quibble: defence of electric is obviously overblown.
    Dude, you have a strong argument. You don’t need to artificially juice it.

    However, you forgot to mention the whole child-killing law. Due to what we’re summing up as “GM” it became legal to run over children. For roughly 12,000 years roads have been for walking first and everyone else second, and then America comes along and claims anyone who dies from being hit by a car wins a Darwin award.

    In other places maybe the laws aren’t quite as toxic, but the roads are all designed in California, like everything else. Specifically encouraging [anyone who isn’t in a car] to die.

    Cars weren’t attractive at all in cities since they had to stop for walkers all the time. That’s okay: make walking functionally illegal. Grid your cities with lethal hazards? Fundamentally hostile to human life? …eh, it’s fine.

    Americans ate that shit up.

    The fact Americans “love” cars so much smells exactly like cope. Given their twisted infrastructure and the fact everyone else has a car, yeah you kinda need a car, but that’s not love. That’s Stockholm.

    Bonus round: American social rules make gregariousness obligatory. If you’re not 100% extraverted, you can use a car as an excuse not to talk to anyone. “Can’t text, driving.” It’s the only genuinely private place you might own.

    In some places in America it’s obligatory to allow the neighbours to walk into your front door, as if your house isn’t actually your house. Nowhere is it obligatory to let someone just sit down in your car.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @nokangaroos
  29. anarchyst says:
    @Alrenous

    If you cannot properly walk across a street at a crosswalk, you, my friend have much larger problems than potentially being struck by a car.

    The “Darwin Award” is reserved for those pedestrians who are not paying attention to their surroundings (usually on a cell phone) and walk into traffic. Suicide by car is also another aspect of pedestrian / car accidents.

    In every state (United States of America) pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way. A driver who hits a pedestrian will be thoroughly investigated.

    Two good things do come out of Europe. Europeans make damn good cars and the use of roundabouts (which I would like to see utilized more in the states).

    There is a certain amount of provincialism (actually jealousy) in the European psyche which manifests itself in criticism of the USA.

    Let’s face it…Europe has much less land area then the USA and, as such its transportation requirements are going to be much different.

    My European friends marvel at the amount of open spaces here in the USA and for the ability of average Americans to own more than just a small parcel of land.

    The USA bailed Europe out of TWO world wars, and they still hate us.

    Contrast that with Americans who genuinely DO like many European systems and customs.

    Regards,

    • LOL: Alrenous
    • Replies: @Alrenous
    , @Biff
  30. @anarchyst

    It appears our elites, not just author Romanoff, want EV’s for the upper and upper middle class and Agenda 2030 tenement apartments for most of the rest of us until we die.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  31. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    People want to have choices .I don’t like driving in big cities and lose valuable time . I don’t want to be sitting there and getting exposed to pollution and road rage .I pay taxes and I want my choices . My choice include train and buses .

    I do not care if peak oil is an issue or not .
    I will leave that to the un-bribed scientists and not to megaphone of stupids .

    I don’t want these bastard kill the train services between LA and SF by bribing and by using misinformation .
    I want them prosecuted for lying .

    Highways have been encroaching on the habitat used by animals . Highways kill animals and endanger lives of the animals .

    Those who deride us and ask us to leave USA need to hear the opposite polemic : Get out of this world . World doesn’t need you .

    The bribed bastards did offer themselves quick safe travel between DC and the adjoining big cities !

    One can do a lot of work while riding train .

    Pollution is the biggest problem .

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  32. Mass transit in the USA is a no go. First off, it is NOT a uniracial/uniculture country. That sold cars over 70 years ago already. Add to that, the stirring up of coloreds in the 50’s & 60’s, making the gulf between races even bigger. Then, every stinky bum can get on a bus or plane and flop their fat ass right next to you. That sold cars over 60 years ago, already – traffic jam or not.

    When smoking section was ended on planes (not to mention terminals), that was it for me. I don’t buy a plane ticket to “remodel” my personal habits.

    • Agree: Legba
  33. Franz says:
    @interesting

    Mass transit will never work in the United States, maybe ride share will, but trains and buses, never going to happen.

    The open-borders freaks that want one billion Americans might just get their way — and if they do the clips from both Japan and China will look downright sparse and friendly.

    All the people you see in both are disciplined people of (roughly) one ethnic group. When this sort of thing gets to Chicago or LA. it’ll look a bit more like a war zone.

    More’s the pity, Biden is letting in record numbers of future citizens right now. Where they come from and what they’re “enriching” us with is unlikely to add up to purchasing or leasing a new car anytime soon.

    “Car world” was a bad idea. It creates a condition where the cost of living starts off being to high before you even do anything. A good mix of private vehicles and clean public transportation works in Europe. It could make things a lot cheaper here.

  34. Suburbs are an invention created and existing only in the US and Canada, designed entirely to keep workplaces, shopping and residences not only physically segregated but sufficiently scattered that even good public transport becomes ineffective or useless, thereby forcing hundreds of millions of people to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on private transportation solely for the benefit of the car makers and oil companies. This American-style city planning, the creation of suburbs, was one of the meanest anti-social schemes ever devised by American capitalism.

    Unless you want to live under communist dictatorship in a cement block. The suburbs were the single greatest invention not only allowing home ownership to people of modest means with the advent of the Prairie House by Frank Loyd Wright. It also single-handedly created the middle class. The invention of the middle class and home ownership was a stark contrast to the feudal system in Europe and Asia where the aristocracy and nobility owned all the land and rented out lots. I am sure the politburo rulers of the CCP have huge sprawling places far from the madding crowd of cities. Have you seen Putins villa/city and his yacht.

    One of the suburbs ever created was Levittown in Nassau County in New York. The government gave out interest free loans to veterans coming home from the war. What a great alternative to tenement buildings in the city.

    Don’t kid yourself there is always a class system. The US grants the greatest opportunity to the many as any other system in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown

    • Agree: anarchyst
  35. “It is tragic that electric automobiles were killed off so early in their life. Had that transition been permitted to occur at its inception, we would have now had more than 100 years of intense battery research and development and incalculable benefits to the world’s environment. We can only guess at the possible results for land, sea and air transport. This is a critical historical narrative. One observer wrote that “A theme likely to be emphasised in history will be the enormous strategic error made by both the US and Canada in enslaving themselves to individual motorized transportation.””

    Electric cars basically died because gasoline cars were so much better by 1925. With the invention of the electric starter and easier shifting, women could drive gasoline cars also. Battery development wasn’t stifled at all with the demise of the electric car because batteries were used in many other areas from radios to naval submarines and industry strove to develop the many types we have today. While our most advanced Lithium batteries are fairly impressive, they still have only a fraction of the energy density that a tank of gasoline has. The energy density of batteries isn’t limited for lack of research, it’s limited by the reality of electrochemistry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hatav_Rdnno

    “In well-planned cities like Rome and Shanghai and so many others in Europe and Asia, an automobile is completely unnecessary because the cities were designed for people rather than cars.”

    Most cities in the old world were designed hundreds or thousands of years ago where the traditional mode of transportation was foot, Donkey or Horse, the modern planners had to create workarounds to accommodate modern lifestyles to old buildings and roads. North American planners had enormous tracts of cheap, open land to do with what they wanted so they wasted land like drunken sailors spending money.

    While there’s no doubt that GM and oil companies have undoubtedly engaged in lots of dishonest behavior over the years. The electric car died because by 1925, gasoline cars were so much easier to use, had longer range and could be refueled anywhere. Gasoline wins even today because of it’s energy density with Diesel being even slightly higher than gasoline. According to the video I linked to above, using the best Lithium batteries in 2018, gasoline still had 13 times the energy density, meaning that gasoline is so much more efficient to carry volume wise than batteries and that isn’t even taking into consideration weight which is an additional limiting factor.

    The best compromise is the hybrid car, taking using the best of both the gasoline engine and the electric car, giving much better mileage than the straight gasoline care and much better range than the electric car. There’s a reason that taxi companies went from gasoline, to propane and now hybrid technology.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
  36. @interesting

    If you had “public pushers” on the urban rail systems in the US, it wouldn’t be long before some feminist lawyer brought out a class action lawsuit against them for sexual harrassment.

    • Replies: @Alden
  37. @anarchyst

    You’re right, Saturn’s moon Titan is covered with seas of hydrocarbons, mostly methane. No dead dinosaurs found there yet.

  38. Alrenous says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    “anarchyst” who violently defends subsidies; obvious cope is obvious

    I will not insult “anarch”yst’s intelligence by assuming they’re telling the truth.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  39. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    Your statement: “Pollution is the biggest problem” is false, at least for most of the USA.
    There are “pollution sinks” in California and in other urban areas from time to time, but for most of the country, the air is much cleaner than 50 years ago. I can remember the foul pollution of the 1950s and 1960s and do appreciate the efforts made to clean up the air.
    The only way for trains to become viable is to have dedicated high-speed passenger train tracks. Using the same tracks as freight trains is counterproductive.
    Train travel would work between city distances between 100 to 300 miles, or as much as 600 miles if dedicated train cars were used.
    The infrastructure would be expensive to implement, but could be a reasonable alternative to short-haul air travel.
    As to pollution standards, the federal agencies have to keep themselves in business so they keep ratcheting down the permissible pollution levels despite the fact that one active volcano spews out more pollution than all of the cars in the USA. As to CO2 being reclassified as a pollutant, that ruling is just insane. CO2 is necessary for LIFE.
    “Mother nature” pollutes the earth on a regular basis. Ever hear of the La Brea tar pits or the “vents” on the ocean floor that spew out all kinds of chemical compounds?
    This ties in to rabid environmentalism (communism) which is a topic for another post.

  40. anarchyst says:
    @Alrenous

    The true “free market” is what got the automobile revolution started.
    Henry Ford’s brilliant tactic of paying his employees a well above average wage and the economies of scale in production made it possible for Ford to realize his dream “that ever man should be able to afford a car” and the creation of the middle class. Prices for automobiles kept dropping, making the automobile something that could be afforded by the “common man”, previously being “playthings for the rich”.
    The automobile has done more for upward mobility and expansion of the middle class than just about any other item.
    The Europeans can p!ss and moan all they want about their love of mass transit, but most AMERICANS “ain’t buying it”.

  41. JR Foley says:
    @anarchyst

    USA mass shootings —the next one will occur___________ (City) ____________ ( State) and
    ____________ (People ) will die. The NRA will state _______ Do not kill –only __________ kill. For those who died NRA will state __________ (P) and ________ (T) are with you and Biden will state _______(w) wrong with people. However nothing will be done because the scoond commandment is the second amendment and the first is car ownership—-more people have been killed and committed suicide by vehicles than Amtrak has trains and Boeing has future sales.

  42. JR Foley says:

    Anarchyst——- Basic Accounting is what —-A = L+ OE or OE= A-L or again L+OE = A

    If current assets = Cash Bank Accounts Receivable Inventory and
    Non Current Assets = Machinery Equipment Transport Equipment Fittings Fixtures Furniture
    Tools Land Buildings Computer hardware

    Humans cu=ount 0 in the Asset column —-Capitalism places 0 value on humans. Period

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Alrenous
  43. JR Foley says:
    @anarchyst

    You raise a valid point and Joe Paluka confirms. Hydrocarbons are not organic but inorganic and the logic would be —again–how many dinosaurs resided in Bed Rock where Barney and Fred worked in that quarry?

  44. anarchyst says:
    @JR Foley

    You are correct. Labor is seen as a negative, not an positive. That is a major failing of capitalism. That is why Germany had to be destroyed in WW2. The German government of the time monetized labor…gave labor value…something the banksters did not want to see…

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  45. Biff says:
    @anarchyst

    My European friends marvel at the amount of open spaces(between the ears) here in the USA

    There, I fixed it.

    • Agree: Hoyeru
    • Troll: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Alrenous
  46. Alrenous says: • Website
    @JR Foley

    “Capitalism” does no such thing. You’re not allowed to sell a human. This doesn’t mean humans aren’t sold. This means “capital” buys them for free.

    In fact a totally average man is worth \$700,000, using the standard P/E ratio of 20. If it were legal to sell shares in yourself, you would be able to charge for depreciation and so on. Firms who damaged your stock price could be forced to pay damages.

    If you don’t like living in a hole, stop digging. Legalize property. Disavow Communism.

  47. @Alrenous

    Some thirty years ago a lawyer friend interned in California and one
    balmy summer evening he decided to walk home; he didn´t get
    very far before the popo had him up against the wall and he spent the night
    in the slammer before his boss bailed him out.
    Law-abiding people don´t walk, see; clearly you are onto something 😀

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  48. @anon

    Hydrogen is notoriously difficult to handle – the best pressure-free* storage
    method is palladium sponge, and Russia produces 60% of it.
    Besides you still have to produce the hydrogen – the cat is chasing its tail
    (two promising ways are direct photocatalytic cracking of water and
    synthetic photosynthesis – both are currently at lab scale).
    Present fuel cells have a service life on the order of 100 hours, less if dirtier fuel
    (ethanol etc.) is used; that´s good for German U-boats but not for mama´s
    station wagon.
    The Chinese were thinking of emergency measures against air pollution.

    *For the same reason the sodium-sulfur high-temperature battery did not take off –
    no one wants to ride around on a bomb; but there is progress on that front too.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  49. Alden says:
    @Joe Paluka

    I’m sure the public pushers in Japanese subways do some grabbing and pawing when they can.

    • Replies: @Legba
  50. anon[952] • Disclaimer says:

    A capitalist take on the excesses of mass motoring by a ‘recovering’ traffic engineer

    strongtowns.org

    lots of hard data

  51. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Biff

    I saw some interviews with Greek extremists. “Oh, huh, they don’t sound like overexcited children.”

    I saw an interview with an Indian general. They just let him talk for nearly ten straight minutes. Like they think Indians have an attention span or something. He was making sense too, not repeating obvious propaganda.

    Crazy world out there.
    Apparently it is still possible to grow up and not merely old.

  52. Alrenous says: • Website
    @nokangaroos

    Excuse the Vox link. This article is mainly non-terrible.
    https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history

    First picture is a great example of how it would be impossible to drive even 10 mph on a street if pedestrians were still allowed to use them. As Romanoff claims, unless you specifically make roads into death-zones, a car in a city is nothing but a nuisance.

    Now, take the drivers’ average income and hours worked, and find out how many hours of labor it takes to cover all of these costs. Add to that the actual time spent driving. Now take the number of vehicle miles traveled, and divide it by the total number of hours spent both driving and earning enough money to pay for cars. Rather than give you the answers, I encourage you to do your own homework, but I can tell you that the end result of this exercise is always the same: the bicycle is faster than the car, and, depending on one’s assumptions, driving is slower than walking.

    https://docs.google.com/document/preview?id=1NqfNkS2t9MiZ3unc7OqVaN1wpn5y-GbxV5fTR37mfo4&pli=1

    Car culture is a classic defect-defect spiral. If everyone else is using a car, you need a car too, for safety.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  53. Realist says:

    This story begins, as do many others similar, in the early 1900s, when the US was busy industrialising, when mass public transportation consisting of trains and trams was filling much of the nation’s needs. Autos were of course rapidly evolving at the same time, but gasoline-powered transportation, whether by private auto or mass transit, was on its way out. Almost all of the nation’s local and inter-city train transport was electric, and electric automobiles were rapidly gaining ground over their gas-powered rivals. By 1900, nearly 40% of all US cars were electric, and were so popular that New York City had a fleet of electric taxis.

    Only a goddamn idiot would like mass transit. It is only used in overpopulated areas. It is only semi-practical in large cities…where idiots dwell.

    Automobiles brought freedom to the vast population of flyover country…the only part of the country that produces anything of value.

  54. Realist says:
    @anarchyst

    Agreed. Mass transportation is a means to control the masses.

    Sometimes Romanoff writes some of the stupidest shit imaginable.

    • Agree: Malla
  55. Realist says:
    @anarchyst

    Not only that, but there are planetary bodies in which hydrocarbons are naturally occurring (without fossils).

    Excellent point. Hydrocarbons are found all over the universe.

  56. Realist says:
    @Thrallman

    Motorized agriculture killed off the small farms. When horses were pulling the plows, a small town needed very little from the rest of the world.

    Yes, I am sure small farms using horses to pull plows would be able to feed the dumb bastards living in large cities…riding mass transportation. LOL

  57. @anarchyst

    Your rather shrill comment makes stand alone statements and declarations that are similar to shouting from crowds or sloganeering for the muddled. After declaring that the automobile, being a mode of transportation that is personal and singularly owned, the rest of your post is unsupported. One line paragraphs are for sports fans. You make a topical beginning of a subject and then move to another.

    I doubt if you are well traveled. In the 1960s, while at an American high school in Tokyo, Japan, a classmate and I took off on an adventure to any and all points in Japan, riding the rail system, which is always clean, full of the most publicly polite and cleanest people in the world. It took us to all points that we wanted to see. From there we walked and took cabs. An automobile would have been a terrible burden, because it is work to operate and demands focus and attention.

    Later that summer, a group of guys went to a fishing village about 100 south of Tokyo and camped for one day. We got there by train, with all our gear. No car, no obligation, no worry. We spear fished and went into the village public bath every night. I am posting here the Russian and Moscow train stations videos. Quite a network. Used by 9 million people daily

    Russian Bullet Train, First Class

    There are trains to everywhere, in the largest country in the world, spread over 7 time zones. Economy class is 4 bunks to a room. Ridiculously inexpensive. (One has to remember that Russian is homogenous in terms of culture, public comportment, and generally accepted norms and mores. Close quarters with you countrymen will not be unpleasant like it would be in the multi-culti, diverse, and wonderful pastiche of Third World illiterate, low IQ, Low info, low CQ (civilization quotient).

    And by the way….the way all of the WEST is going:

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/05/nice-work-if-you-can-get-it-3/

    Achtung: The EU is on the way to becoming Mexico

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/05/the-cartelization-of-europe/

    I will say that for the Indo-European, Russia is the best country in the world to live; right now and in the future. That is, if you are not Woke, PC, LGBLTSHITWHATEVERNOSURE. For normal people.

    https://www.thefearlessforeigner.com/blog/life-in-russia/

    https://www.youtube.com/c/ElifromRussia

    Want a car? Gas is \$3.43. In Rubles, it’s less.

    • Agree: IronForge
    • Replies: @Alrenous
    , @Truth Vigilante
  58. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Poupon Marx

    Look at a picture of Moscow Metro for five seconds: “Oh, I get it, American metros are Communist.” All of a sudden everything makes sense.

    P.S. Note that there’s 0% chance GM would have been able to afford all those nonsense shenanigans if it wasn’t being funded by the IRS or whoever. Fascism in the most literal sense.

    Then it blames the result on Capitalism. Why not? It works.

    • Agree: Hoyeru
  59. @Larry Romanoff

    The train is fine, commie. The train is fine.

  60. @Larry Romanoff

    lol. And those commies never once tried to put their communist propaganda in the U.S. Nope, not once!

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Hollywood_blacklist

    Typical communist liar: selective prosecution.

    The train is fine, commie. The train is fine.

  61. @Curmudgeon

    “How many cars would there be in cities if the streets were still dirt tracks?”

    didn’t most folks walk and or ride horses? Wasn’t the automobile called the “horseless carriage” for some time?

  62. @Realist

    He is a paid shill for the CCP. This war. Propaganda war.

  63. @Poupon Marx

    PooPooMarxist writes:

    In the 1960s, while at an American high school in Tokyo, Japan, a classmate and I took off on an adventure to any and all points in Japan, riding the rail system ….. It took us to all points that we wanted to see.

    I’m chuffed that the rail system took you to all the place YOU wanted to see – you of limited horizons.

    But no doubt there were many, many more places that you did NOT see that were not accessible by rail (or solar powered gliders).

    The places you visited were obviously next to transport hubs, and thus were ‘built up’ with residential areas, high rise buildings and all the trappings of civilisation. But for those out of the way places, those unspoilt by mass concentrations of people, ONLY a car will do the trick.
    And only a car (and in many cases, an off road 4WD all terrain vehicle),would’ve got you there.

    I’ve been to Japan on numerous occasions and, as good as their public transport system is in the bigger cities, the Japanese STILL want their cars. In fact, they have a love affair with their cars.
    Yes, they’ll commute to and from work in the big cities using public transport but the weekends are for them – AND THEIR CARS.

    Most people think that Japan’s car industry was set up for the benefit of foreigners, to satisfy their motoring needs and earn much needed export revenue.
    However, I recall reading an article in the late 1980’s that said, of all the cars manufactured in Japan, around 45% were for DOMESTIC consumption.
    I don’t know what the percentage is today but the Japanese still love their cars. No matter how efficient or cheap their public transport system is, they will continue buying internal combustion engine cars even if the whole world goes ‘California’, with their ridiculous zero emissions mandates.

    Moreover, the Japanese made a hell of a lot of models for DOMESTIC use only (ie: NOT for export), even though said models were much craved for by foreign buyers. To that end, they were (at the time) ONLY made Right Hand Drive (RHD). Cars like the Ferrari/Lamborghini destroying Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (aka Godzilla), which swept all before it in motorsports events:

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=09b2cec152ed6ae9c46bf52b761f344d-4860201-images-thumbs&n=13

    Later on, due to relentless pressure from foreign buyers, the Japanese made later models available for export in LHD configuration.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  64. @Larry Romanoff

    Your article states:

    By 1900, nearly 40% of all US cars were electric, and were so popular that New York City had a fleet of electric taxis.

    Early electric cars outperformed their gas competitors and people liked them because they didn’t have the smell, noise, or vibration of gasoline cars, were easier to operate, and didn’t require cranking or gear changing.

    All of that may well have been true – at the VERY beginning (at the turn of the 20th century), when both Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles and electric vehicles were in their infancy, and BOTH were:

    1) Not really practical
    2) Expensive to buy and maintain
    3) Unreliable
    4) A plaything of the rich and not accessible to the working class.

    BUT ICE powered vehicles VERY QUICKLY proved to be reliable, had infinitely longer range and, with mass production, the price came down meteorically so that any working class Joe Average could afford one.

    This was NOT the case with electric vehicles then and is STILL not the case today.

    Electric vehicles (E.V’s) are FAR more expensive then their ICE equivalent.
    To the extent that that are not even more expensive is due to GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES and cash rebates offered to buyers of these death traps, which are FAR MORE LIKELY TO CATCH FIRE AND IMMOLATE THE OCCUPANTS (1 min video follows):

    Simply put, low speed impacts that could be sustained with an ICE car where occupants walk away without a scratch and result in minimal damage that can be repaired cheaply, don’t work out so well for E.V’s.
    Even in a low speed impact travelling at 30 km/h (under 20 mph), the battery pack in the base of the EV is ruptured and a fire almost always ensues.

    The problem with an E.V like a Tesla is that EVERYTHING is electrically operated. So when the battery pack is ruptured there is NO power to operate ANY of the vehicle controls.

    There are NO MANUALLY OPERATED door latches to open the doors to escape from your Tesla once the battery pack is ruptured.
    End Result: The cabin quickly fills with smoke, you can’t open the windows for fresh air or open the doors, the fire quickly begins and you and your occupants are soon burnt to a crisp unless you have the presence of mind to kick the windscreen out and escape.

    And it’s not just a case of catching fire after a minor accident. They regularly catch fire when charging (especially so when using the fast charger). If they’re parked in your garage while charging overnight, there’s a likelihood that they’ll catch fire and then set your house on fire. (Hence the reason for the high insurance premiums)
    They’ve been known to catch fire while driving, while just being parked (6 min video):

    UR readers, I URGE you watch that video above before you even consider buying any E.V (but especially a Tesla).
    Watch how quickly Teslas go from exhibiting a slight bit of smoke to full on incineration. Watch how they burn with an INTENSITY that you’ll never witness from an ICE powered vehicle.
    You literally have SECONDS to act once the electrical power of your Tesla shorts before having to kick out the windscreen with all your intensity before the smoke asphyxiates you.
    NEVER entrust the operation of said vehicle to your wife or daughter as they won’t have the presence of mind or strength to kick out the windscreen.

    Larry, from the looks of your article, you’ve been CONNED. You’re evidently not an auto enthusiast like I am and don’t know that much about cars.

    E.V’s are NOT remotely viable and will never be in our lifetimes (and likely not in the next generation either).

    Tesla has NEVER COME CLOSE TO MAKING A PROFIT on any car it sells.
    It haemorrhages red ink on every car it manufactures.

    The ONLY REASON that Tesla has declared a minuscule profit in recent years is because it gets government TAX CREDITS which it can sell on the market to other auto manufacturers and thus, through this accounting chicanery, it can declare a tiny profit.

    Let me explain. In the U.S (and some other countries), it is mandated that a certain percentage of cars sold must produce Zero Emissions. (ie: only achieved through EV’s).

    So, take an auto manufacturer like Fiat-Chrysler. It makes NO E.V’s.
    Therefore, to qualify for the mandated % of Zero Emissions vehicles to be allowed to sell their ICE cars on a particular market, they MUST buy a certain number if Tax Credit concessions representing EV’s that Tesla made.

    Other manufacturers do likewise.

    Where does Fiat-Chrysler and the other manufacturers get the MONEY to buy these Zero Emission Tax Credits you might be asking ?

    Naturally it comes from the PROFITS they make by selling ICE cars.

    Bottom Line: ICE cars are MUCH Cheaper, MUCH safer (far lesser risk you’ll burn to death), have FAR greater range, experience FAR lower depreciation, have FAR lower insurance premiums, have FAR LOWER environmental impact on disposal of the vehicle (EV’s are constructed with a range of toxic metals in their battery packs that will leach into the soil and cause environmental impact for thousands of years), are FAR LESS energy intensive to manufacture (EV’s use far more fossil fuel derived energy to manufacture and in the procurement of the metals contained therein – like cobalt, lithium etc).

    Even though ICE vehicles are far cheaper than EV’s, they would be cheaper still if their price was not artificially inflated because, as mentioned above, thousands are added on to the sale price of ICE vehicles since this money is needed to subsidise the E.V’s.

    Many manufacturers are now making E.V’s. eg: Audi, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Jaguar, GM, Ford and many more. (Volvo announced that ALL its vehicle output would be E.V only by 2030 I recall reading).
    This would lead to the false impression that consumers are demanding them.

    DEAD WRONG !!

    Other than for a few cashed up twits that have more dollars than sense, NO ONE WITH A BRAIN WANTS an E.V.

    The ONLY REASON car manufacturers are starting to manufacture them is because of GOVERNMENT MANDATES.

    Absent government authoritarian dictates, NONE OF THE MAJOR AUTO MANUFACTURERS WOULD TOUCH THESE HAZARDOUS E.V MONSTROSITIES WITH A BARGE POLE.

    • Agree: anarchyst, Agent76
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  65. @anarchyst

    Anarchyst, I have to give it to you. In the commentary of most threads in the UR, you’re very knowledgeable.

    But in this thread, where I’ve read all your comments, you’re DAMN GOOD.
    You’ve absolutely hit it out off the park.

    That inspired me to post my comment – to counter the E.V misinformation agenda that has apparently gripped Larry Romanoff.
    There’s more to come from me. I’m just getting started.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  66. @Truth Vigilante

    Your dedication to human extermination through climate destabilisation is truly pathological. What is it? Simple ideological hatred of ‘Greens’ and the Left? Hatred of Life on Earth for some obscure pathopsychological reasons? Burden of a meaningless existence too much to bear. Desire to be revenged on those still living when you are dead?

  67. @Truth Vigilante

    So you go to a transport hub, then HIRE a 4WD, or use your fecking feet. Too corpulent? Stick to the car. And, of course, you have NO need of a car (apart from ego display, of course)in a city or suburb either.

  68. @anarchyst

    Of course, the lie that ‘one volcano spews out more pollution than all the cars in the USA’ is a favourite of Rightwing, Life-hating, cretins. In fact human air pollution, particularly the CO2 content, is 100 times that of volcanoes in an average year. A super-volcano might change that equation, but then we’d have other problems to deal with.
    What percentage US automobiles have of all human pollution I do not know, but it is irrelevant. Then you have another Rightwing cretinism. CO2 is necessary for Life on Earth in that it is essential for plant growth, but it IS a pollutant at certain levels. In animals it kills immediately in high concentrations as in the Lake Nyos catastrophe, and in lower concentrations say c.500-1000 ppm it begins to cause mental confusion (is that your excuse?)etc.
    Moreover CO2 also affects the climate through its heat-trapping properties. Thus it disturbs climate stability, which is definitely NOT good for plants, crops in particular. Increased temperatures, prolonged and deeper droughts, heavy deluges, floods, storms, hail, the spread of pests and diseases etc, are NOT good for plants, but, of course, the one-dimensional Rightist moron mind does not do complexity. And your hatred of environmentalism is simply an ideological mind disease, as you admit. No wonder Truth Vigilante sees you as a fellow spirit.

  69. anarchyst says:

    If environmentalism restricted itself to truly caring for our natural resources, I would have no problem with it. However, with the secret science and questionable funding that these environmental groups possess taints the whole barrel.
    It turns out that many claims that environmentalists make have no basis in fact and are not based on good, honest, scientific investigation. This is why environmental scientists have to hide their data, as it does not fit their agenda.
    A good example of this is the so-called global warming crap, now renamed climate change. For one, the climate is always changing.
    The East Anglia emails in which data was purposely falsified by climate scientists comes to mind. Not only that, the climate scientists purposely installed temperature monitoring sensors in cities, contrary to manufacturers recommendations and good scientific practices in asphalt-covered parking lots, and other heat sink areas in order to prove their (faulty) hypothesis. This is scientific dishonesty at its worst.
    It turns out that the solar system is in a cooling cycle due to decreased solar activity. There are two long-term solar cycles that reinforce themselves when in phase and cancel themselves out when out-of-phase. Look up the Maunder minimum.
    There are no SUVs on Mars or other planets, yet they are also experiencing the same solar variability.
    Environmentalism has been the method used to impose communist principles on western society especially in the USA.
    Environmentalists are not content with promoting clean water, air and land, but are hell-bent on controlling human behavior, and yes, promoting extermination plans for much of humanity as these anointed types consider mankind to be a pestilence (except for themselves) to be reduced in population by any means necessary (genocidal jabs).
    Environmentalists HATE the God-given concept of private property and have imposed government-backed and enforced land use controls on private property owners without compensation, clearly an unconstitutional taking of private property. If environmentalists want to control land use, let them purchase it themselves, not by government force.
    Today the only method of negating government-imposed land use restrictions is shoot, shovel, and shut up.
    If environmentalists had their way, the earth’s human population would be reduced by approximately 90%, (enter the phony covid “plandemic” and the poison “jabs”).with the remainder to (be forced) to live in cities, in soviet-style high rise apartments, utilizing bicycles, buses and trains for transportation. The use of automobiles and access to pristine wilderness (rural) areas would be off-limits to us mere mortals, and would only be available for these anointed environmentalists.
    The endangered species act is another abuse of environmentalism. Species are always changing, to adapt to their environments-survival if the fittest. In fact, the hoopla over the spotted owl (that placed much northwest timber land off-limits to logging) turned out to be nothing but scientific misconduct and arrogance. There are virtually identical species in other parts of the northwest.
    More scientific malpractice occurred when government biologists attempted to plant lynx fur in certain areas to provide an excuse for making those areas off-limits for logging or development. Fortunately, these scientists were caught, however, no punishment was imposed.
    In a nutshell, today’s environmentalism IS communism like watermelon-green on the outside and red (communist) on the inside.
    It is interesting to note that communist and third-world countries have the WORST environmental conditions on the planet. Instead of the USA and other developed countries spending billions to get rid of that last half-percent of pollution, it would behoove the communist countries to improve their conditions first. Here is a question for you environmentalists: Why is there a push for restrictive environmental regulations, but only on the developed first-world countries, and not the gross polluters such as India and China?

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  70. @Larry Romanoff

    You wrote:

    The auto market had already been saturated and sales growth so anemic that in 1921 alone GM lost more than \$65 million and was well on its way to the cemetery, oil company revenues and profits sharing this dismal future.

    ‘GM ….. well on its way to the cemetery’ ????

    Ohhhhhh pleeeeeease Larry, you really should’ve been a stand up comedian. That is so funny.

    The Internal Combustion Engine auto industry (and especially GM), was NOWHERE NEAR TO GOING BUST in 1921.

    Yes, they may have made some losses that year. Most auto manufacturers tend to lose in a recession year.

    And 1921, which you conveniently chose, was one MOTHER of a recession year.
    The reason you don’t hear about the Great 1921 recession is because it doesn’t fit in with the ‘Government must enact STIMULUS and create jobs Socialist FDR “New Deal’ narrative’.

    After the reckless excesses of government spending of the U.S in the last years of WWI (a war the U.S had no business being involved with in the first place), and chronic inflation that followed, the early 20’s ushered in a severe recession.

    By most metrics, the 1920/21 recession was FAR WORSE than the 1929/30 period of what we now call the Great Depression.
    GDP contracted by a far greater percentage.
    Unemployment blew out by a FAR larger percentage than in 1929/30.
    Business activity contracted by much more.

    So, what happened ? Why haven’t we heard about it ?

    The reason is that the government of Warren Harding did NOTHING.
    There was NO government stimulus to create pretend and unsustainable jobs like FDR later did.
    There was NO increase in government expenditure. In fact, the government CUT expenditure – thus the burden of supporting parasitic government was LESSENED on the productive private sector as taxes were cut.

    There was a short and VERY SHARP recession but, once bad debts were liquidated, once foolish creditors took a haircut for lending irresponsibly and recklessly to businesses and individuals that they shouldn’t have, the dynamic private sector soon got things back on track and the economy was humming along nicely.

    And THAT’s how you cure recessions/Depressions.
    You simply get government OUT OF THE WAY and the private sector will fix the mess that GOVERNMENT CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Summary: I don’t know what GM did in the 1920’s to lessen the dependence of the public on public transport and if they did underhanded things I certainly don’t condone it.
    But I can tell you with 100 % CERTAINTY that absent what they did, IT WOULD HAVE MADE NO DIFFERENCE.

    You are in the minority Larry. Most MEN in western nations (and more than a few women), LOVE THEIR CARS and would not part with them.

    I’ve been to Tokyo, Osaka and Hong Kong and travelled on their subways and such and, I concur that they’re great systems that are efficient and very cheap.
    No doubt it’s the same in the big Chinese cities that you have first hand experience with.

    But WHAT do these cities ALL have in common ?
    Yes, they have huge population densities and low cost/efficient public transport, but this is ONLY ever commercially viable in cities where people live PACKED LIKE SARDINES in HIGH RISE APARTMENTS.

    Well Larry, that might suit you and others of your ilk. But it DOESN’T SUIT ME.

    I live in Sydney, Australia. And like most Aussies (and New Zealanders and many in South Africa where I’ve also visited), we like our big backyards where as kids we could organise a game of cricket in the summer or football with our mates and have a barbecue.

    We DON’T want to live in a high rise apartment (like the rcck legend and Covid vaxx truthteller Eric Clapton did thirty years ago – the same apartment that his little boy climbed over the balcony from when his nanny wasn’t looking and fell to his death from that upper floor).

    We LIKE living in the suburbs. We like the parklands, football ovals and flora of the nearby bushlands.

    We don’t want to be HERDED LIKE CATTLE into a DEFINED inner city area where the Zionists-That-Be (let’s call a spade a spade – we ALL know who the PTB really are), can track and trace us, QR code us and monitor our every movement.

    You have things ARSE BACKWARDS Larry.

    The car offers the average man MOBILITY, AUTONOMY, INDEPENDENCE.
    This is what the PTB do not want.

    The ICE powered car is that thing that THREATENS the PTB. That’s why they’ve started this Green Energy/Global Warming B.S propaganda that you’ve evidently swallowed without critical analysis Larry.

    These are the same PTB that OWN and are profiting from the TRILLIONS of taxpayers money that have been squandered on these UNVIABLE and UNSUSTAINABLE so-called green energy initiatives.

    Yes, said Zio bankers also have their fingers in the pie as far the fossil fuel companies are concerned and are no doubt major share holders of Exxon-Mobil and their ilk.
    At the end of the day, they have HUGE HOLDINGS in ALL industries that they can make a buck from.

    But, contrary to your assertion that the Zionist Usury Bankers would lose their major income sources if the fossil fuel industry went bust, it has obviously ESCAPED you how they make their money.

    Let me repeat. They are not called the ZIONIST USURY BANKING CARTEL for nothing.
    They make their money from banking – and of course the printing/digital creation of money from the western central banks which they own and DOLE SAID TRILLIONS OUT AMONG THEMSELVES IN BAILOUTS and such on the pretext of …. saving the economy or saving the banking system, after they have gotten into trouble from their reckless practices and financial chicanery.

    It doesn’t matter to them if there is a Fossil Fuel industry OR a Green Energy industry OR an Energy Conjured with a Magic Wand industry.

    The Zoinist Usury Banking Cartel will STILL make their money from ANY COMMERCE that goes on within that society.

    What has escaped you Larry is that the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax was always all about:

    1) Making up an excuse for why your energy bills were going to go through the roof
    2) Shaming you when you complained that you could not afford to pay your electricity bill or had to use your near maxed out credit to but petrol for your car. They’d say things like:
    ‘Don’t you care about future generations ? and ‘Can’t you see that the planet is heating up from your carbon footprint ?’
    when in fact their is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE whatsoever that humans are responsible for the overwhelming bulk of the warming (a measly 1 degree C or so over the last 150 years) that has occurred.
    3) By soaking up all your discretionary income in paying for escalating energy bills, jacking up the cost of a car because they’re \$1000’s more expensive than they have to be as they have to subsidise the E.V industry, this lives Mr and Mrs Joe Average living paycheque to pay cycheque and thus makes them MORE DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT.

    Larry, can’t you see that the the Klaus Schwab’s, Bill Gates’ of this world, when they’re not killing you with experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as vaccines, they’re IMPOVERISHING YOU.

    That’s what the Green agenda has ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT.

    A poor proletariat will not have the FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL to be disruptive and march with the Freedom Fighters in the anti-vaxx rallies, they won’t have the time to organise an insurrection because:

    THEY’RE TOO BUSY WORKING A SECOND PART TIME JOB TO JUST MAKE ENDS MEET AND WHEN THEY GET HOME EACH DAY THEY JUST DROP DOWN AND GO TO SLEEP BECAUSE THEY’RE DEAD TIRED.

    Simultaneously, we DO KNOW FOR CERTAIN, that of the increases in CO2 that we’ve witnessed over the last century or more, only 3% of it is due to man made emissions.

    That’s righr. 97& of the increase in CO2 we’ve seen is due to NATURAL reasons. (eg: Volcano emissions and OUTGASSING). In the case of the latter, as the Earth temp rose, the oceans release CO2. Conversely, as temps drop, the ocean absorbs CO2.

    In other words, TEMP RISES FIRST and then CO2 increases – not the other way around as the rabid climate zealots would have you believe.

    MORE IMPORTANTLY, there is a PROVEN 800 year time lag between temp rising and the rise in CO2 (Outgassing) that occurs later.

    In other words, the rise in CO2 we are experiencing now is likely due to the MUCH WARMER MIDDLE AGES when they were growing grapes in northern England, when the Vikings settled flourished in Greenland – settlements which they later abandoned in the following centuries as the world (and Greenland in particular) got much colder and proved unliveable.

    Larry, you badly need to learn the facts about the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax.

    Perhaps you could star with reading Alex Epstein, and his book ‘ Fossil Future: Why Global Human Flourishing Requires More Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas — Not Less’.

    An excerpt from his book:

    Fossil fuels, which provide 80 percent of the world’s energy, have and will continue to have the unique benefit of providing low-cost, reliable energy to billions of people in thousands of places — a benefit that is desperately needed in a world where some 3 billion people still use less electricity than a typical American refrigerator. Contrary to claims that solar and wind are rapidly replacing fossil fuels, fossil fuel use is still growing, while intermittent solar and wind energy, after generations on the market, provide just 3 percent of the world’s energy — and that 3 percent is totally dependent on fossil fuels, especially natural gas, for 24/7 backup. Solar and wind are nowhere near being able to replace the energy that fossil fuels provide today, let alone the far greater amounts of energy humanity needs going forward.

    One of the key benefits of more fossil fuel use, I will argue, will be powering our enormous and growing ability to master climate danger, whether natural or man-made — an ability that has made the average person on Earth 50 times less likely to die from a climate-related disaster than they were in the 1°C colder world of one hundred years ago.

    Because fossil fuel use is so vital to the world’s future, I will argue, today’s proposed policies to rapidly eliminate fossil fuel use would, if fully implemented, have truly apocalyptic consequences — making the world an impoverished, dangerous, and miserable place for most people.
    And even if fossil fuel elimination policies aren’t fully implemented — which they won’t be, given the expressed intent of China, Russia, and India to increase their fossil fuel use — even widespread restrictions on fossil fuel use that fall far short of elimination will shorten and inflict misery on billions of lives, especially in the poorest parts of the world.

  71. @Alrenous

    Thanks … he wasn´t walking jay – what got to him was that the fact of
    walking constituted probable cause he was casing, whoring or pushing dope 😀

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  72. Alrenous says: • Website
    @nokangaroos

    No no you see, de facto, all walking is now jay. You’re not some kind of poor who can’t afford a car, are you?

  73. @Larry Romanoff

    Seeing as I’ve brought up the soon to be bankrupt Tesla Motor Corporation, here’s something else you should know about the ‘claimed range’ of E.V’s.

    When they say, for example that an E.V has a range of say 300 miles (around 480 km), that’s the OPTIMUM expected range based on steady state driving on flat land and based on a 100% charge.

    However, because so many Tesla’s have caught fire during charging (especially fast charging which rapidly escalates the likelihood that your Tesla will self combust), Tesla (and some other manufacturers I’m told), now say you should never charge beyond 80% on a fast charger.

    So straight away your projected range is diminished by 20%.

    If you drive up steep hills, under load your range is greatly diminished.
    If you have a bit of a lead foot and take off fast (and why wouldn’t you if the claimed 0-100 km/h times are better than many Porsches), your range is greatly diminished.

    OK say the EV-tards, but isn’t that also true about an Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) car ?

    Yes it is but here’s the comparison:

    If you absolutely flog your ICE car, you might diminish your range by around half. (I can attest to that having been involved in some amateur motorsports and driven on a race track).

    But if you flog your EV, you may diminish range by up to 80-90%.
    Proof of that is the example set in the British motoring TV show ‘Top Gear’, which was the most viewed TV show on the planet about a decade pr so ago.
    They tested a fully charged Tesla on a race track and it’s battery capacity was discharged after (from memory) about 10 laps or so – no more than 30 miles at the most.

    Secondly, unlike an ICE car whose alternator generates electricity for your lights, stereo, electric seats etc, and the heat comes courtesy of the heat generated from your exhaust manifold (NONE of which affect the range of your car), in EV’s ALL ELECTRICAL NEEDS COME COURTESY OF THE SAME BATTERY THAT POWERS THE CAR,

    In other words, if you use any of the electronics in your info display screen, stereo, need to heat the car in winter or air-cond in summer (where you’ll turn the heat or cold settings to FULL in many cases) , or turn on your lights for night driving etc, ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL DIMINISH YOUR PROJECTED RANGE.

    Moreover, if you’re an American and don’t live in southern California or Florida, you may be in for a world of hurt in those polar vortex northern hemisphere winters.
    EV’s WILL NOT CHARGE TO ANYWHERE NEAR FULL CAPACITY in very cold weather.

    You may get to 60 – 70% capacity in very cold weather and, once there, your battery will discharge MUCH FASTER in these cold conditions than it would in temperate weather,

    Secondly, we all have mobile phones. Have you noticed how your phone, when new, would stay charged for MORE than a week when it was new ? (Assuming you have a non smart phone Nokia like I do that looks a bit vintage).
    Now, after owning it for 7 years, even when not used a lot, it might last 3 days.

    Well, the batteries on EV’s are no different.

    When new, they’ll give the car a certain range and that will PROGRESSIVELY DIMINISH until said EV battery is kaput.

    And do you know how much it is to replace that battery with a new one (inclusive of the labour costs) ?
    Even on a the cheaper E.V’s it will be well over USD \$ 10K.

    But by then, seeing as EV’s depreciate like a stone, the car may be worth LESS THAN \$10K.
    So no one is going to spend \$10K on a car that’s worth less than that.

    SUMMARY: The car will be WORTHLESS BY THEN. And because you will have been subject to 100% depreciation, this will further erode the desirability of these purchasing these death traps in the first place.

    At the end of the day, only women, effeminate men and virtue signallers are buying EV’s.
    Not a single car enthusiast I know (and I know many) is either contemplating getting one for themselves, and is strongly discouraging wives/family members from getting one.

  74. @Truth Vigilante

    I’m not done with Tesla and EV’s (aka Electronic Vulgarities) in general.

    Tesla is the gift that just keeps on giving – much like Herpes Simplex virus, so numerous are its shortcomings.

    QUESTION: Many ask how it is that a company that started from nowhere a few years ago and had no automotive background whatsoever, could grow so quickly into a market leader making [allegedly] quality vehicles, and simultaneously make its largest shareholder {Elon Musk] the richest man in the world ? (or he was a couple of months ago before the Tesla share price imploded).
    How is possible that it could make better cars than competitors like Mercedes Benz, Ford etc, that have been around over 100 years and have untold accumulated wisdom about car manufacturing ?

    ANSWER(s): Tesla NEVER made a quality product.
    Tesla does NOT deserve to even be in business. let alone be the world’s largest E.V manufacturer, so poor is the quality of its products.
    Elon Musk should not only NOT be a billionaire, he probably deserves to be in gaol.

    And … NO, Tesla does not know how to make cars better than those that have been around for countless decades – not even close.

    Fun Fact # 1: In the last five (5) years, Tesla Motor Corp has had more recalls than any other car manufacturer has had in the last 20 years (at least) – and by a WIDE margin.

    Fun Fact # 2: EVERY TESLA VEHICLE EVER MADE (with no exceptions) has been recalled at least once – to correct a fault (many of which are potentially life threatening):

    Tesla recalls nearly half a million cars over safety issues from stocks


    All this, courtesy of the poster boy for [allegedly] high tech E.V’s.

    What a croc.

    Larry Romanoff, I hope you’ve learned something from all of this.

    I’ve liked reading your articles on other issues but, for your own sake, wake up to the Anthropogenic Climate Fraud.
    Stop liaising with the Extinction Rebellion dimwits that are destroying the planet and the environment, enriching the Zio cabal, impeding on our liberty and impoverishing humanity at [for now], an arithmetic rate, but soon to be geometric.

    • Replies: @aldasfail770
  75. @Truth Vigilante

    Yes-you are certifiably insane. I’ve pointed out to brainwashed morons like you numerous times, that CO2 rises AFTER the warming at the end of glaciations. The warming begins because of the Milankovitch Cycles (ever heard of them, or do denialist ultras deny them, too?)and as temperatures rise, ice-sheets retreat, lessening planetary albedo (heard of that, or do you deny albedo, too, as a ‘Carmnist/Zionist plot?)thereby increasing planetary warming. That causes permafrost melt, releasing CO2 and methane (you never mention methane-is that denied, too?)and organic matter that is consumed by micro-organisms, which excrete CO2 and methane as well, and the process goes on for 10,000 years or so, in an ‘interglacial’ (deny that, do you?)until the Milankovitch Cycles reverse the process.
    As one can see, that proves that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, despite denialists’ lies. Having your cake and eating it, too. And the situation NOW is NOT the same. We are in the midst of the greatest forcing of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere probably since the PETM 55 million years ago. That is NOT analogous to the waxing and waning of glacial and inter-glacials, and is MUCH more rapid, ie in a few centuries, not a few thousand years. Is your brain so retarded that you really cannot comprehend that, or are you just a Life-hating, fanatic, Rightwing thug-or both? I say LIAR. Poisonous, mendacious, ineducable, swine. Just sayin’.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  76. @anarchyst

    Really, really, moronic lies, endlessly regurgitated. We even get the denialist genocidists’ MOST moronic ‘argument’, that from nomenclature, which usually gets them quite orgasmic with delight at their genius.
    The climate is always changing (have you always been this smart?)but it is the extent and rate of change that counts. Today the climate is changing, destabilising in fact, at a faster rate than for 55 million years, since the PETM. After the Chicxilub bolide there was devastating climate change, but relatively short-lasting compared to the tens of millennia that you thugs have sentenced the planet to.
    That rapid destabilisation means that species will NOT have time to adapt to changed conditions, so will go extinct in the Sixth Mass Extinction Event now underway, but I suspect that you, and the other Life-haters really relish that. H. sapiens and your species will be among the victims, but you would have been dead in any case, so you don’t give a flying feck.
    I am in awe of your genius. You have discovered that Mars is in the same Solar System as Earth. I bet the other denialists call you ‘brains’. Then there is the sub-fascists’ battle-cry ‘environmentalism is communism’. What poisonous oafs you are. Then you spew your love of ‘private property’ clearly preferring it to Life, as dead souls like you do, and then project your own genocidal ambitions on those trying to avert human destruction. Are you really that poisonously stupid, or are you just lying in your pig ignorance again. At least you make plain your hatred of Life in attacking efforts to protect species, and your pig stupidity in not comprehending that the rate of species extinction is now a thousand times the usual rate. The filth continues, unabated, driven by race-hatred as well, with your villainous attack on China and India where pollution per capita is tiny compared to that created by scum like you in the rich world.
    I will never cease to be horrified by such Evil as that which you and your pipsqueak admirer, ‘Truth’ display. I marvel at how those about to be exterminated, along with their children, by creatures like you, STILL sit back placidly and no nothing about it. That will inevitably change, human beings being as they are.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  77. @mulga mumblebrain

    You wrote this about me:

    Is your brain so retarded that you really cannot comprehend that, or are you just a Life-hating, fanatic, Rightwing thug-or both? I say LIAR. Poisonous, mendacious, ineducable, swine.

    And here I was all along thinking you didn’t care about me.

    I’m touched.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  78. anarchyst says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    …keep smokin’ that good sh!t. As usual, you are “full of it”.
    “Global warming”, now renamed “climate change” is the biggest fraud ever to be perpetrated on humankind. It is right next to the holohoax (oops, I mean “holocaust”) in its fraud. It’s all about the shekels.
    We are getting close to a low point in the Maunder minimum. It would benefit mankind to have a “global warming”–longer growing seasons, more pleasant weather, etc. The sun has a much greater effect on planetary weather than most environmentalists realize.
    As to volcanic activity, one volcano DOES negate the effects of man-made pollution. Volcanic vents on the ocean floor have been spewing pollutants ever since the earth was created.
    You take 150 years of recorded weather records and attempt to extrapolate them into “global warming” (oops, I mean “climate change”).
    You are a fool.
    The earth is much more resilient than you believe.
    Follow the money.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  79. @Truth Vigilante

    Do you know what Jambalaya and Gumbo are? A bunch of seafood thrown at random into a cauldron, from whatever is available. This is a metaphor for your comment. So many non-germane, irrelevant, and superficial piffle.

    https://www.russiantrains.com/en/map-of-russian-trains

    https://matcha-jp.com/en/4409

    Additionally, I addressed and presaged your pouty pontification in my comments. Comprehension skills? You statement of knowing automobiles gave me a chortle.

    On my professional engineers license: Chief Engineer of Motor, Steam, and Gas Turbines of any horsepower upon oceans. You see, I know how things WORK.

    You strike me as a poseur and glorified office worker. “I’ve been to Japan….” From an office to a hotel?

    I’ve wasted too much time with your over inflated ego. Silly boy.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  80. @Truth Vigilante

    in EV’s ALL ELECTRICAL NEEDS COME COURTESY OF THE SAME BATTERY THAT POWERS THE CAR

    ,

    Error: Tesla has regenerative braking.

    If EV batteries become easily recyclable, Electric cars will be ideal for in town (especially large and dense cities), by a wide margin. Otherwise, I am not a fan. Hopefully in future, nuclear power will provide the means to produce hydrolysis hydrogen for internal combustion engines.

    • Replies: @Anon
  81. Anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Walking or cycling are my preferred modes. I live in a charming low density Alpine farm town of 8,000. If the wife and I want to see a show we take the train to the big city about 30 miles down river.

    Car Free Living is liberating.

    Takes a while to mentally adjust, but once you have unchained yourself from using that expensive, cumbersome, and maddening machine – you‘ll be healthier, happier, and have a lot more spending money.

    Plus you can use the garage for something productive

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  82. The electric car was abandoned because of its price making it forever out of reach of the middle class : batteries and electricity were unaffordable to modest budgets. Many countries came to the same conclusion at the same time : France, Germany, Japan, Soviet Russia… so your argument about US corporations having forced the world into a pervert orientation falls flat. Electricity, to name it first, is the cleanest form of energy to consume but by far the dirtiest to produce. In most countries it is produced from coal or from oil.

    Of course batteries would have become more efficient with more research invested into them, but their components are necessarily very expensive both in money and rare minerals of all sorts that will be exhausted far before petroleum, and most toxic as they degrade into the environment. Electricity production is much nearer its fossil ressource exhaustion point than oil economy, if only for copper.

    That is not everything : the explosion motor as developed by Ford could not only be produced cheaply but the mechanism was relatively simple as to enable ordinary people perform most of the everyday repairs. Electric motors for vehicles cannot do without specialists in electrical engineering, the most difficult engineering discipline of all, and resorting to a very centralized bureaucratic system of spare part replacement.

    If oil production is to come to a halt it is very easy to replace it by providing the refineries with coal by-products, natural gas or even thrash of all sorts, at worst the price is doubled. Ford devised his first models as to be provided with liquid fuel produced from agricultural thrash like corn stubble. Sorgho, which is the African staple cereal, produces much surplus low-grade sugar as a by-product that can be turned into methanol or ethanol at village level. There is no scarcity of cheap methane and other natural gases in sight to come : there is only one of cheap oil, but there is one of rare earths coming much sooner. Moreover most of the demand for automotive industry doesn’t come from personal cars but trucks, tractors and agricultural machinery : the cost of converting those to electricity would be prohibitive.

    If you make electricity obligatory for all automotive industry it will put the price of any car at Mercedes level and that is what the oligarchy aims for. In Lebanon, Sri Lanka and other crisis-ridden countries electricity is the first form of energy to go out and to be rationed, long before gas.

  83. @Anon

    Namaste, Brother. You are on the right path. I can see-should batteries be easily recyclable-where a petal bicycle could also have a manual engaged motor for that extra distance. Or just getting older!

    • Replies: @Anon
  84. @Francis Miville

    Namaste. You are correct and make some valid points, but others are faulted and based on unspecified assumptions, or at least unexamined. Many take the position of “all or nothing”, this or that; a digital solution. That should not be the case. I am against government compelling that which is not absolute essential, basic and minimal. Methanol should not used. Burning food for fuel is stupid.

    Like it or not, all energy of the future will be nuclear, in the main.

    I am more in agreement than disagreement.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  85. I’ve been interested in transportation issues for many years. I’ve lived in rural areas, a small town in the Rocky Mountains, and in Queens, New York. I’ve traveled to Europe, China, and South America, and I’ve loved public transportation everywhere I’ve had the opportunity to use it.

    I hate living in places where the private automobile is necessary. I’d rather live on the street rather than have the hassle of owning, parking, maintaining, insuring, driving, keeping up with the licenses, and servicing the car that has become necessary in the suburbs of the US.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Goonty
  86. @Poupon Marx

    I am speaking of distilling agricultural THRASH, which is a by-product of food production, for fuel, not food, as is, alas, done in Brazil and elsewhere with corn surpluses. The proof that is feasible is that during WWII it was the only way to keep the certain number of motor cars that remained on the road in Europe. That also was the first idea of Ford for his T-Model.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  87. @Francis Miville

    The usual cretinism. Mass production of EVs will make them MORE expensive rather than cheaper, in contrast to EVERY OTHER consumer good, where economies of scale, workshop experience and innovation, and advances in research and technology drive prices down. This imbecile disinfo is like that which similar idiots said of solar cells a couple of decades ago ie ‘They will ALWAYS be expensive’, yet today it is the cheapest form of electricity generation.

  88. @anarchyst

    The Evil cretin doubles down on its lies. There are hundreds of thousands of years of proxy observations, principally from ice-cores, but also, for lesser periods, coral cores, mud cores, tree rings, and for longer, geological studies.
    Then the truly imbecile lies-‘one volcano’ etc’ when in a typical year humanity puts out ONE HUNDRED times as much greenhouse pollution, ‘deep-sea vents’, ‘Maunder’ Minimum (1645 to 1715)as if that is the name of ALL solar minima including the current, tiny and cyclical one, and the BIG ONE, the cretin lie that climate scientists do not understand the Sun’s role, and only Big Brains like this deviant do. Imbecility, arrogance and lack of self-knowledge-the perfect Dunning-Krugerite cretin!
    And ‘follow the money’ when his beloved fossil fuels are the greatest repository of wealth on Earth, valued in the tens of trillions, make scores of billions in profits EVERY year and, according to the IMF, are subsidised by several trillion every year, by Governments etc.

    • Troll: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Brad Anbro
    , @Ron Unz
  89. @Truth Vigilante

    I try to look on the bright side-you will return to the carbon cycle, yourself, shortly, having done your best to take humanity with you. That’s the motivation, isn’t it. Hatred of Life.

  90. @Truth Vigilante

    ‘Effeminate men buy EVs??!! You’re sicker than I thought. EVs are at the stage that ICE vehicles were c. 1910. You seem to have the lunatic ‘idea’ that EVs will NEVER be improved when billions are spent in research and development, either gross stupidity or ideological dementia. There are many EV corporations in China, because creatures like you are locked away in asylums and not allowed anywhere near power. Shenzhen has 16,000 electric buses and all its taxis are EVs. All, no doubt ‘effeminate’. Even the women.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  91. @Truth Vigilante

    Had to look up Epstein. What a creature. ‘Libertarian’, Ayn Rand devotee and, in my opinion, a lunatic. There has to be an outer limit of denialist insanity, and he could be it. His photo is a gem-that mouth! Like he’d just bitten into a lemon. ‘Twisted’ doesn’t do it justice.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  92. Anon[761] • Disclaimer says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Pedal Assis’t e-bikes are magic. (Pedalec) . Basically all they do is help you up hills.

    I got the wife a used pedalec during corona and it allowed us to live car free. I use the Pedakec to go to the big box grocery store 5 miles away. Easy

  93. @Francis Miville

    Feasible or not, this represents organic matter that came from nutrients in the soil, and should go back there, to maintain balance and replensishment.

  94. @mulga mumblebrain

    You wrote:

    ‘Effeminate men buy EVs!!

    I’m glad you agree. No sane individual could draw any other conclusion. (Of course virtue signallers buy them too).

    You also wrote:

    You seem to have the lunatic ‘idea’ that EVs will NEVER be improved when billions are spent in research and development, either gross stupidity or ideological dementia.

    If you throw enough money at something, said technology will improve. In some fields of endeavour, the improvement will be substantial. In the case of EV’s, the gains have been infinitesimal relative to the scores of billions that have been squandered.

    Unfortunately, being cocooned in the rabid climate extremist wing of the Fabian society that you are, there is a concept called the Cost/Benefit analysis that you’re not familiar with.

    Absent subsidies and government mandates, the private sector would never spend their money on EV research since it’s money flushed down the toilet.
    Crunching the numbers shows that’s it’s not even a remotely viable proposition.

    The same amount of research allocated to petrol engined vehicles would’ve yielded outsize outcomes.

    Governments are a different matter. Government bureaucrats who are where they are because they couldn’t cut the mustard in the private sector and would never be capable of running a Fish & Chips shop, have a track record of wasting taxpayers money in the billions on grandioise claptrap hare-brained ideas that the uneducated voting public (ie: people like you) PERCEIVE to be eco-friendly.

    The Chinese big city pollution problems are so serious that they’ve embarked on this ludicrous ‘electrify-all-vehicles’ campaign, forcing them to act in haste – and repent later.

    The Chinese would NOT have been in this position if they’d simply mandated catalytic converters be fitted to Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles thirty years ago and employed widespread use of ‘scrubbers’ that trap well in excess of 99% of particulate matter produced from their coal burning power plants as is common practice in the western nations.
    Catalytic converters are mandatory now in new vehicles sold in China and have been for some years, but it’s a case of a day late and a dollar short.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  95. @mulga mumblebrain

    There’s no doubting Alex Epstein’s researching capabilities and objectivity – he receives universal acclaim for that.

    He’s frequently invited as the guest speaker at a range of venues, so highly are his opinions sought.
    Some years ago he was invited to testify before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, so evidently the U.S government is impressed with his output.

    The fact that he’s a Libertarian is just icing on the cake.
    Anyway Mulga, you’re in luck. Tom Woods Phd interviewed Alex Epstein just last week in the following audio only clip. As you’ll see, Epstein is very articulate and knows his stuff. I suggest you take the time to hear some truths that you’ve obviously not privy to:

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  96. @Fran Taubman

    “The US grants the greatest opportunity to the many as any other system in the world.”

    That was true 40 years ago, but with the off-shoring of millions of good-paying jobs to foreign countries, that statement does not hold much water…

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  97. @Brad Anbro

    Taubman means the many-Hebrews. The rest can fight over the scraps.

  98. @Truth Vigilante

    Yeah, I spotted him of some blond lady’s website. An utter IMBECILE, declaring himself a ‘philosopher’ (???!!!)but with a message that suits Rightwing psychopaths, and the fossil fuel industry and its bankers. I do hope you’re not too old Truth, so you can enjoy the fruits of your insanity, and not just leave them to your offspring to experience. Boy-will they curse your memory.

  99. @Truth Vigilante

    Well you begin by lying, as is your want. In fact EV reliability, range and safety have all increased greatly over recent years, contrary to your untruths. The Chinese have systems where, instead of re-charging, you simply swap batteries, in about one minute or two.
    Then, after some pig ignorant, paranoid, mention of the Fabians (a Rightwing moron favourite-tell us all about the Fabians, Truth. It should be mirth-inducing)you mention Cost/Benefit, without including the Cost of ecological destruction. But, as we know, under your death-cult, the environment is an ‘externality’ that can simply be ignored. More brain-dead and brainwashed gibberish follows. PS I don’t vote-it only encourages them.
    And your pig ignorance about China, undoubtedly born of race hatred as well as stupidity, is laughable. China sells more EVs, has more EV buses and more EV manufacturers than any other country, because they do not tolerate vicious imbeciles poisoning discourse in the corridors of power.

  100. The automobile is also a white cargo cult. It spread even to countries where the average man never gets a chance to drive one. An electric car is a gadget, not a car. Invent a true name for your gadget.
    As a cultist, I would say even automatic transmission is a perverse luxury.

    ICE should be refined because that’s what people do, not because they are guilt-tripped and compelled by law. And fewer people should drive, because many have no aptitude for it.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  101. @mulga mumblebrain

    You write:

    you mention Cost/Benefit, without including the Cost of ecological destruction

    You’re absolutely right.

    EV’s are far more energy intensive to manufacture than ICE vehicles – especially the battery.

    Lithium and Cobalt are essential elements used in the EV batteries. (Lithium cobalt oxide (LiCoO2) is widely used in lithium-ion battery cathodes).

    Most of the world’s Cobalt comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo and this is how most of it is mined (6 min video):

    That’s right – by exploiting children.

    So Mulga, it’s good to see you have a semblance of conscience and recognise the egregious side effects of the EV industry – not to mention all the other toxic metals that will leach into the soil from the EV batteries as most of them end up in landfills, where they will cause environmental damage for hundreds [and more likely thousands] of years.

    As more people wake up to the reality of rabid Green ‘Climate’ initiatives, like those Wind Turbines that generate LESS electricity during their useful service lives than the energy that was expended in manufacturing them (after allowance is made for the costly maintenance and disposal) – not to mention the untold damage to the ecosystem as they chop up millions of birds.

    We all remember Ronald Reagan’s famous remark in relation to the Berlin Wall:

    ‘Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall!’

    Slightly amended and applicable to the modern age, we should all be shouting:

    ‘Mr Biden, Boris Johnson, Emmanuel Macron, Justin Trudeau, Anthony Lebanezee and all you other western puppets of the WEF/Zio cabal that conjured up the Anthropogenic Climate Change fraud, TEAR DOWN THOSE UNSIGHTLY WIND TURBINES’.

    C’mon Mulga, are you with me ? Here’s your chance to do the right thing, the ECO-FRIENDLY thing, and put your partisan politics aside for just once.

    Think of the children Mulga. Put future generations first and stop being so selfish.

    • Thanks: Agent76
  102. @mulga mumblebrain

    Mulga, you really need to watch the following 4 min video (esp, the minute starting at 3:30):

    The video was originally posted by another commenter in UR (I believe it was ‘Avery’ from memory), so I can’t claim to have found it through my research.

    At the end of the day, the speaker [Vijay Prashad] draws attention to the cataclysm that Green Climate initiatives will have for the third world (just like the Covid tyranny likewise did to them).

    Yes there are supply chain disruptions, price increases in energy and such for the pampered first world but for the third world it will mean DEATH and DESPAIR for tens of millions at a minimum, and likely hundreds of millions if said Green initiatives take hold.

    Because the third world is denied access to cheap and abundant ‘fossil’ fuels, they live in grinding poverty, they have no access to electricity.
    The Anthropogenic Global Warming scam was ALWAYS about impoverishment and depopulation of the Third World.
    Even Blind Freddie can see that.

    Who the eff do you think you are Mulga to deny them cheap energy ? And it’s all over a ‘theory’ for which there is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to substantiate.

    There is NO PROOF whatsoever that CO2 caused the 1 degree C rise in average Earth temps over the last 150 years or so.

    Meanwhile, we KNOW FOR SURE that of the amount of CO2 that has risen in the atmosphere in that time, AT MOST THREE (3) PERCENT is man made. (97% is from NATURAL emissions of the planet).

    Give it up Mulga. End your Not-Based-on-Science obsession.

    • Replies: @Malla
  103. @mulga mumblebrain

    The purpose of my post is not to argue with you, only to agree with “anarchyst” in what he says about this “climate change” being a fraud.One cannot change another’s mind by arguing…

    Back in the 1960s, when I was a kid in school, unlike most other boys my age, I spent a lot of time in libraries. I remember picking up a “news magazine” – I don’t remember if it was Time, Newsweek or some other – and on the front cover of the magazine was a picture depicting the earth, half covered in
    ice. The caption accompanying the picture said, “Ice Age Coming!” Well, it was “global COOLING” then and now it is global WARMING.”

    Like “anarchyst,” I believe that this whole climate change thing is nothing but the newest installment in the on-going methods by the Big Money Interests to tax and control everything and everyone on the planet. If there really is “anything” to this climate change stuff, then the rich bastards can pay for it because, obviously, they are not paying for anything now.

    You would do well to watch a video on YouTube by Lord Christopher Monckton, of England. He is not a scientist but he has done a lot of research on this and has the facts to back up what he says. Video –

    Another person that you might want to check out is Dr. Timothy Ball, Ph.D. –
    https://www.heartland.org/about-us/who-we-are/timothy-ball

    I do not go along with most of the views of the Heartland Institute, but I sure do agree with what Dr. Ball (and Lord Monckton) have been publicly saying for years about “climate change.”

    Again, it is not my intention to argue with you; only to point out some possibly new avenues, which, if you investigate them, might possibly change your views. To use a favorite saying of one of the world’s most prominent UFO researchers, Stanton Friedman (now deceased) – “Don’t bother me with the facts; my mind’s made up!”

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  104. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Romanoff,
    I am a new fan of your articles and the Unz website.
    To say I am blown away is an understatement. I have searched your website archives for info on a couple topics to no avail.. Please help me understand many articles, etc., w/ some info on the Chinese Uyghurs, and the different things I see regarding hospitals all over China trafficking in organs, etc. Are these things also propaganda, to demonize the Chinese government?
    There’s also a news site here in the US of supposed reputable Chinese whistleblowers, “EpochTimes”
    I have read horror stories from them on organ trafficking. Most of my life I have believed all this propaganda about our nation, and Israel, Was even a member of “CUFI”… I’ll never forget the day I found out the truth about 9-11…now I’m in search of truth to de-program from the rest of the lies.
    Thank you for any reference/info you can point me to.
    “Lookingfortruth”

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  105. Notice also that these interests neatly shifted a vast amount of freight traffic from the railroads to the trucking industry. This way the huge cost of maintaining railroad rights-of-way could be shifted onto the taxpayers, who are responsible for the upkeep of the nation’s highways. Neat trick if you can manage it, what. And guess what, the companies that profit from building the trucks and fueling them also manufacture and fuel Diesel locomotives (chiefly GM’s Electro-Motive Division) to pull the remaining freight trains, no more of those nasty coal-burning steam locomotives the railroads used to design and build themselves.

    This is a powerful object lesson for the free-market fetishists, but one which I suspect they will ignore or rationalize away. Heaven forbid their minds drift into impure thoughts, like rethinking the pure evil wickedness of the centrally planned economy. That would be so insulting to The Invisible Hand’s supernatural powers. That would be socialist, and it is very bad indeed for naughty children to have wicked thoughts about their benevolent masters.They do let us have so very many shiny toys to play with after all.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  106. @mulga mumblebrain

    TVs posts are funny, I wonder what year is he living in ?

    Its all anti EV bullsh1t from a decade back or maybe more, in the real world as batteries continue to get better and cheaper, the EV share of the market will continue to grow

    I drive a BMW i3, not a car the average American would like, its a bit small. But for me so far its perfect. the interesting thing is, when I first bought the car, all of my friends laughed and all had that similar line of nonsense that TV is selling. but now with Petrol/Diesel prices at €2+ a litre and rising, its me laughing, and just last week one of them sold his Diesel ICE for a Hybrid, the rest are looking at EVs/Hybrid. paying over €100+ for a tank of fuel will do that pretty quick

    Oil is now at just under \$120 a barrel, I expect it to set a new record at some point this year, \$150+ is possible IMO

    A strange but interesting EV that will hit the road latter this year

  107. @(((They))) Live

    You wrote:

    A strange but interesting EV that will hit the road latter this year

    More likely that it’ll be hitting a tree than the road – and then bursting into flames as the battery pack ruptures.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  108. A couple of more things that I would like to share with the reader, concerning “free enterprise” and also transportation in the USA…

    Being a new resident of Tennessee, having escaped from the “Sucker State” – Illinois, I am very proud of a government agency that we have here in Tennessee. That agency is the Tennessee Valley Authority, an unqualified success that originated when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was president.

    Another Tennessee success story is the city-owned and operated cable TV and internet provider in Chattanooga, TN. Chattanooga residents enjoy some of the lowest rates for cable TV and internet access. But, of course, there are business concerns who are trying their best to stymie that city’s publicly owned utility, as they are also trying to do throughout the USA. Website –

    https://broadbandnow.com/report/municipal-broadband-roadblocks/#tennessee

    In regards to transportation here in the USA, get ready for the next scam and hang onto your wallets. The upcoming new scam will be “driverless cars” and you just wait and see. The manufacturers and the software companies will have the laws set up so that they have ZERO liability. Who will be paying for the resulting damages and experiencing the needless deaths that will occur? Why, the American consumer, of course.

    They really need to change the name of our country from “the United States” to “Scams R Us,” because that is what the country has become. One scam right after another.

    Thank you.

  109. @Truth Vigilante

    What? Your beloved ICEs never hit trees of burst into flames?. Ease up on the turps, Truth-you’re getting addled.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  110. @(((They))) Live

    (((They))) writes:

    TVs posts are funny, I wonder what year is he living in ?

    Its all anti EV bullsh1t from a decade back or maybe more, in the real world as batteries continue to get better and cheaper, the EV share of the market will continue to grow

    You have me confused with another. No B.S coming from me. Everything I post is fact checked – which is more than I can say for the propaganda coming from you.

    As for the year I’m living in, it is clearly the present. Yes, the shortcomings of EV’s today are no different than they were 10 years ago – people are still getting immolated and/or being killed after falling asleep at the wheel because the car was set on ‘autonomous mode’ and they believed the spin coming from the manufacturer that the car could drive itself to the destination.

    Look, I concede. That autonomous tech is pretty good and will get you to your destination 99 times out of 100.
    (Of course on the 100th time, you’ll be involved in a head-on with an 18 wheeler).

    Meanwhile, you’re living far off into the future, in some imaginary Utopia where EV’s are affordable for the working class man, where EV batteries are not ruptured in an impact and result in a fire that incinerates the occupants, where EV’s don’t catch fire during fast charging OR for no reason at all,
    That future is not likely to arrive in our lifetimes or that of our progeny.
    You’re living in dreamworld that never existed and may never come to fruition.

    Granted also that EV batteries are getting cheaper. Which is not surprising since they came off a stratospherically high base.
    They used to be outrageously expensive. Now they’re just very, VERY expensive.

    You also wrote:

    when I first bought the car [BMW i3], all of my friends laughed and all had that similar line of nonsense that TV is selling. but now with Petrol/Diesel prices at €2+ a litre and rising, its me laughing

    If you did a proper Cost/Benefit analysis of your ownership of an EV lemon, you’d understand why your friends laughed at you before and still do.

    Even at 2 Euros per litre for petrol in your country, the depreciation of your vehicle/higher maintenance costs/higher insurance premiums is still FAR MORE than any saving you’ve made in petrol.
    Bear in mind that the cost of electricity has gone through the roof in Europe and this is reflected in your much higher electricity bills as your EV lemon charges all night, EVERY night – increasing the risk that it will self-combust in your garage and burn your house down.

    Meanwhile, I’m in Australia and the last time I filled up I bought my petrol for AUD \$1.67 per litre (about 1.13 Euros/litre at today’s exchange rate).

    Of course, paying over 1 Euro per litre for petrol is much too high even here in Australia because a fair bit of it goes in tax to subsidising these pointless (there is NO man-made Global Warming) and unviable Green energy scams.
    In Australia, as imbecilic as our politicians are and as much as they’d like to increase the cost of petrol/energy to European like levels, they know they can’t get away with it.
    About 10 years ago our Federal government tried to introduce a Carbon Tax and that party (the beholden to the Climate extremists Labour Party), was thrown out on its arse, so energy costs are more sensible than in the Zio controlled western European nations.

    However you stupid Europeans have bird chopping Wind Turbines all over your countryside so hence the need to jack up petrol to ridiculous levels.
    When are you people going to show some spine and organise a Europe wide Gilets Jaunes movement to overthrow your tyrannical regimes – like the few courageous Frenchmen did ?

    I had a look at the sales figures for the BMW i3 lemon that you own and noticed that worldwide sales are over 200,000 – a reflection of the number of dupes in countries like the German, U.S, U.K and Norway, the four nations with most sales.

    Australia has quite a few dupes too but nowhere near to your levels.
    I recall reading that the aggregate number of BMW i3’s sold in Australia in the last decade is in the double digits – because Australians are not that gullible and have some common sense.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    , @dimples
  111. @Observator

    Keynes understood capitalism -‘ Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone’. Of course, times change. Today the ‘most wickedest’, make no pretense of working for the masses, who they rather openly are planning to exterminate.

  112. @Brad Anbro

    Sad Brad-a Lord Monckhausen fan-boy. You don’t get any lower than that.
    The Time Ice Age cover really gets you bozos foaming, doesn’t it. In fact, even then, most climate scientists (far fewer in number then)were more concerned about warming than cooling, although the world, following the Milankovitch Cycles was seen as slowly descending into the next glaciation. And, let’s face it, that was FIFTY years ago. I hate to tell you but times and science have moved on, even if you cannot.
    You are correct, a little, in stating that the oligarchs will exploit climate destabilisation for their own ends. But other oligarchs, with far more power, in the fossil fuel industry (the greatest repository of ‘wealth’ and assets on Earth by far)have far more invested in denying climate destabilisation and keeping fossil fuels going as long as possible.
    Like most denialists, your mentality is constricted. You can only see things in narrow black and white terms, looking through ideological glasses. Anything that contradicts your ideology, you reject, even when you are not equipped to comprehend its meaning and significance. So your final quote applies PRECISELY to yourself. You cherry-pick one or two buffoons, servants of Rightist ideological interests, one (Monckhausen) an outright lunatic, and reject the tens of thousands of scientists and other observers who refute their bilious imbecility outright, or near completely. Pathetic projection. And all that is a stake is the fate of humanity. Homo SAPIENS SAPIENS brought down by imbeciles-it’s really quite funny.

    • Replies: @Brad Anbro
  113. @(((They))) Live

    Meanwhile, here is the typical comatose mentality of EV owners (because you’d have to be in coma to buy one) – 1 min video:

    I presume the occupants of the vehicle above made it to their destination and didn’t kill any pedestrians along the way.

    Not so lucky for the occupant of this vehicle (48 sec video):

    Apparently, the retractable door handles meant that a police officer could not open the doors to remove the driver from his car before it burst into flames.

    The child-like mentality of Tesla buyers was targeted as the manufacturer employed retractable door handles on these vehicles – knowing that this was the type of gimmick that amused these Children-in-Grown-Up-Bodies.
    Unfortunately, said gimmick cost this man his life.

  114. @mulga mumblebrain

    What? Your beloved ICEs never hit trees or burst into flames?

    Let’s assume there are an equal number of ICE cars bursting into flames after an accident as there are EV’s.
    One has to put those stats in context seeing as in western Europe and the U.S the percentage of E.V cars on the road is no more than around 2%.
    In Australia, where evidently there’s more common sense among car buyers, it’s a small fraction of 1%.

    So, in the case of the former (the U.S/western Europe comparison), there would have to be FIFTY TIMES more ICE vehicles combusting than EV’s for them to be on par.

    That is clearly not the case.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  115. Ron Unz says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The Evil cretin doubles down on its lies. There are hundreds of thousands of years of proxy observations, principally from ice-cores, but also, for lesser periods, coral cores, mud cores, tree rings, and for longer, geological studies.

    I’ve always been pretty skeptical of Global Warming, and outlined my views in a short piece about a decade ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/two-cheers-for-heresy-on-global-warming/

    And as it happens, I just finished reading a short book on the subject that came out a year ago by a solid theoretical physicist named Steven Koonin, which seemed to totally demolish the official MSM narrative. Koonin is a very distinguished scientist who also held senior posts in the Obama Administration, and he was shocked at the reality once he began investigating the issue. You really might want to take a look at his book:

    About a year ago, Steve Hsu discussed the book on his blogsite and also linked a long lecture by Koonin:

    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2021/04/how-physicist-became-climate-truth.html

    For me, the biggest surprise is just how ridiculously weak the standard narrative really is.

  116. Biff says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    , NO ONE WITH A BRAIN WANTS an E.V.

    I want one. Pound for pound an electric motor produces way more torque and horsepower than the million moving parts of an ICE. I’m just waiting for the battery technology to stiffen the curve. The vanity plates will read “See Ya”.

    For now I’m enjoying my Boss-Hog Diesel(rolling coal).

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  117. Anonymous[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Commies seem to love talking about public transportation. You always find them bitching about capitalism and the automobile and wishing for daddy government to fuck them harder.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  118. GM later sold these patent rights to US-based Texaco-Chevron oil, who even today refuses access to this technology.

    This was the only part of the essay which gave me pause – don’t patents have a limited life? I’d thought it was 17 years, but the Wiki says 20. Even at that, the technology ought to now be up for grabs.

    But the real issue is this:. Driving the frantic push to hydrogen fuel cell vehicles is the fact that the only useful source of hydrogen in the quantities necessary for auto fuel is petroleum or, more precisely, natural gas – methane.

    Quibble time, but ordinary water breaks into Hydrogen and Oxygen quite nicely. Admittedly this is a dumb thing to do because it’s adding an unneeded step to Power Line Electricity >> dangerous Hydrogen >> Fuel Cell Electricity. Best to stick to the original electrons in batteries, or make synthetic gasoline directly from the elements.

    If Mr. Romanoff wants to investigate another Car Conspiracy, he might look into George “Codpiece Commander” Bush’s cancellation of the Super Car project. Gossip back in the day said this was the very first thing the little ***** did upon taking over the stolen Presidency. Naturally GM was hip-deep in that one too.

    Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_a_New_Generation_of_Vehicles

  119. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:

    Larry, all that is standard leftist “monorail!” balderdash; none of industry’s efforts would have worked if they weren’t what the public wanted.

    Stop denying Americans’ true nature. We are not like you. We are individualists – or selfish, if you like – to the core, ontologically. You can’t accept that, but I am telling you that no number of policy tweaks will change it. (Maybe massive immigration from just the right places would.)

    Stop coming after our cars, dammit. We do not care to take the train or live in a kibbutz. Enough already!

  120. @Anonymous

    “There’s also a news site here in the US of supposed reputable Chinese whistleblowers, “Epoch Times”
    I have read horror stories from them on organ trafficking. ”

    The Epoch Times is a CIA/NED funded rag created for the purpose of trashing China. Ignore all the rubbish. There has never been a shred of evidence to support any of those assertions.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  121. @Ron Unz

    Two Cheers for Heresy on Global Warming
    The less said about this little essay the better. You surely have both the resources and the science skills to do far better that this cursory right-wing/Fossil Fuel Industry roundup. Asimov was bright scribbler, and was merely recounting CO2 discoveries dating back a good 60 years before his 1959 essay .

    Regarding the Koonin book, it was the output by a Fossil Fuel Industry whore installed in the Energy Department by the totally worthless Obama. BHO was a disaster in many ways, and this introduces me to yet another of his failures.

    Steven E. Koonin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Koonin#Criticism_of_Koonin’s_2014_Wall_Street_Journal_commentary

    From 2004 to 2009, Koonin was employed by BP as the oil and gas company’s Chief Scientist.[

    From there he moved directly into doing Nothing Useful in Obama’s dreadful Administration.

    Except for running his mouth in a more educated way, Obama could have been swapped out for either Bush the Dumber or the Orange Oaf. None of the three did squat for an issue which is probably already out of control.

    The Earth as a place humans (and the rest of Creation) can live is dying. At this point I see survival of Homo sapiens as a matter of dumb luck. If the first Climate Shocks happen to be strong enough to shock everyone, but weak enough to live through them, there is an outside chance we’ll make it. The odds of this happening are NOT increasing as time passes.

    https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/05/a-critical-review-of-steven-koonins-unsettled/

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  122. There was never a conspiracy against electric cars. They weren’t viable until lithium batteries unless you mean running them on electric lines which comes with all kinds of limitations and problems.

    I don’t know if the GM conspiracy against public transportation is true. I really don’t care.

    Anyone that writes about it clearly hasn’t been on public transportation in a major US city.

    Larry is no different than White liberals that opine about public transportation while never using it. He is in Shanghai which means the nearest Bantu to him are in Africa.

    I don’t have a problem with Blacks on a personal level or in a business setting but riding the bus in a city with Blacks is a completely different experience. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or hasn’t done it.

    You get these crazy street Blacks that reek of booze/urine and look like they are one degree from smashing in the face of the nearest White person. They get to ride the bus and rail all they want because liberals pity them and give out bus passes to the indigent (though never actually checked). You have to keep your head low but be ready for an attack as if it is prison. And attacks happen. Basically it’s like jail.

    There are empty busses and commuter trains all over this country. Go ride a Chicago line at night for a week and get back to us. If you actually had then you would not spend so much time trying to lecture Americans on public transportation.

    I would add that a lot of the existing rail and bus lines that are practically empty are in Democrat cities and states where concealed carry is for the most part banned. So you have to take a knife or pepper spray. But more importantly Americans don’t want to get in a knife or gun fight on the way to work. This is race denial gone mad and that is the real issue. It isn’t some GM conspiracy from the 60s.

    Anyone who doubts anything I said is free to live blog from a Chicago line. Show us how this isn’t an issue. I doubt your phone will even last 3 days.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  123. “Romanoff writes some of the stupidest shit imaginable. Only a goddamn idiot would like mass transit. NO ONE WITH A BRAIN WANTS an E.V. You are a communist control freak. If author Romanoff had his way, you (we) wouldn’t be driving anywhere. You (we) would be holed up in soviet-style apartments. Communist dictatorship in a cement block. The suburbs were the single greatest invention. The automobile has been the most liberating of any device invented by mankind. It’s called FREEDOM.”

    Wow. Talk about pressing the hot button. For simplicity, I will address my remarks to the gentleman whose greatest ambition in life appears to be mounting his F-150, filling the gun rack in the back window with shotguns, pasting on his large “Honk if you love Jesus” bumper-sticker, and going on a “Freedom Drive”.

    Sir: This article was not primarily or even particularly anti-automobile, but was mostly anti-criminal, a distinction that seems to have escaped some readers. Perhaps the educational system, but let’s not go there. The article was about (1) killing battery technology, (2) destroying mass transit and, (3) atrocious urban planning.

    Autos are a necessity in many places, certainly in rural areas where there is no other transportation. The point about urban transit systems is that, (1) if the cities are well-designed, almost everything you need is within a couple of blocks and driving is pointless. And (2) that an efficient public transport system will take you almost everyplace else, so cheaply and quickly that driving is again pointless. That isn’t saying you shouldn’t have a car, but that for regular daily life a car is not only unnecessary but a nuisance.

    If I must go to the airport, should I drive and risk being stuck in traffic and missing my plane, or would I take the subway that leaves my station at exactly 8:30:00 AM and is inside the airport terminal at precisely 9:22:05, guaranteed? Would I like to find a parking spot for my car at the airport (for \$25) and then take a shuttlebus to the terminal, and waste another 30 minutes? Would I rather spend \$15.00 in fuel and \$100 on auto depreciation, or would I take the subway for \$2.00 and no hassle? This is about my convenience, not about someone controlling me.

    Readers should note carefully the logical fallacy of extreme positions presented as the only alternatives. We are presented with life in a suburb with all its flaws, or in a cement block like sardines, with no other choices. But there are other choices, many of them charming, convenient, and even lovable.

    And, on the subject of control, has anyone read the news articles about how all American autos today have a Wi-Fi-controlled “kill switch” that can remotely turn off the ignition of all cars in an area? Yes, really. It was accidentally demonstrated in San Francisco not long ago, with the authorities then claiming they had “the right” to disable autos in the event of mass demonstrations. It isn’t the trains and buses that are about control, but the autos.

    Nevertheless, I should add that I found the comments illuminating and educational, to say the least. Observe:

    “Today’s ICE (internal combustion engine) cars are much cleaner than even ambient atmospheric conditions in most areas.” In this case, I assume you won’t mind my holding your kid’s head under the exhaust pipe of your car for 5 minutes.

    “Hydrocarbons are found all over the universe.” This gentleman is clearly well-traveled. I’ve never been to those places.

    “In the last five years, Tesla Motor Corp has had more recalls than any other car manufacturer has had in the last 20 years (at least) – and by a WIDE margin. EVERY TESLA VEHICLE EVER MADE (with no exceptions) has been recalled at least once – to correct a fault (many of which are potentially life threatening)” I had no idea. Really.

    Truth Vigilante says: “There’s more to come from me. I’m just getting started.” Oh, God.

    Truth Vigilante says: “Larry Romanoff, I hope you’ve learned something from all of this.”

    Yup, you darn betcha I did.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @IronForge
  124. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Larry Romanoff

    Thank you for your insights on America’s perpetual energy-transportation-economic catastrophe.

    I love cars. But I also recognize the many problems caused by the industries of addiction:

    https://jpchance.wordpress.com

    Bradford Snell’s 1974 report, American Ground Transport, seems to have become politically censored by the Google Monster ever since the global corporate-socialist messiah and battery salesman Elon Musk has come to dominated the media monopoly in recent years:

    https://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/freesources/American.htm

    After forty years of examining these issues, I’m continually reminded by all these travesties that “Thinking is the dismissal of irrelelevancies.”

    https://www.myswitzerland.com/en-se/experiences/summer-autumn/bicycle-mountain-bike/bicycle-tours/national-routes

  125. @anarchyst

    I have to disagree. I really don’t know how you Americans live and what “freedom” you have, like say freedom to have a drink in a decent bar. In America you have to drive for half an hour to get to a bar and do what? Get drunk and end up in jail when you get stopped for DUI? In Europe you can get really plastered and then just stagger home or hop on a bus or train with no worries you’ll end up in jail or dead in a car crash. Now that’s what I call freedom. And don’t tell me that in America you may even have strip bars that don’t serve alcohol but soft drink only. Like what’s the point of the American lifestyle? Dressed up and driving around with nowhere to go.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  126. @anarchyst

    I’m not a communist and I agree with most of the author’s points most of which are true.

    Most of his points are cited. None of yours are. You remind me of the Q boomers on gab. Screeching COMMUNIST! at everyone you’re disagree with just as Antifa types scream NAZI! at everyone they disagree with.

  127. @(((They))) Live

    You might want to trade in that BMW for a Toyota hybrid before it starts breaking down because the only ones that’ll be laughing then will be the people at the BMW dealership.

    Laughing all the way to the bank:

    All Car Brands from Worst to Best (by a mechanic)

  128. @anarchyst

    Crappy roads, Crappy cars, and poorly designed metropolitan areas are muy FREEDOM!

    You’re the personification of that ‘fat guy in a wheel chair with 2 machine guns and 5 American flags’ meme.

    How about disproving with evidence any of the cited claims he made.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  129. Amon says:
    @anarchyst

    I’m gonna need some citations on this buddy.

  130. @Ron Unz

    The question remains-why is Koonin such an outlier? Why does the scientific community, almost totally, reject his shop-worn arguments? Why believe a renegade and not the gigantic consensus? And this is NOT like Galileo against the Vatican-the consensuses in science today, while still tentative and falsifiable, as they must be to be science and not religion, are built on vastly more research and observation than ever before.
    And then the other killer question MUST be-why are so many thousands of scientists, and ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies so wrong, or engaged in such a vast conspiracy to fabricate climate science? And why are montane glaciers, permafrost, Arctic sea ice and Antarctic ice-sheets melting, why are coral reefs around the world bleaching and why have global average temperatures risen by 1.3 degrees Celsius since 1880?

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  131. @Truth Vigilante

    If your posts are fact checked, then why so many wrong claims, e.g Tesla have made a profit without emissions credits from other automakers, my insurance didn’t rise because I bought an EV, BTW I am working class, I don’t buy new cars, never have, never will

    In the end your anti Tesla rants are pointless. Tesla could go bust and disappear tomorrow but it would lake little difference, batteries will continue to get better (this is what you are really fighting) and EVs sales will continue to grow, the FUD just won’t work anymore

    Ford have just started selling an electric version of the F150, with fuel prices rising they won’t be able to build them fast enough, GM, Chrysler ect, all have similar trucks on the way. its very hard to beat the power and efficiency of the electric motor 🙂

  132. @mulga mumblebrain

    No, nothing is “funny” about any of this. In fact, I don’t see hardly anything “funny” about anything more these days.

    You mention the tens of thousands – like all the “scientists” and their computer models, who publicly state that the THREE buildings “collapsed” due to fire on September 11, 2001?

    Yes, I will agree with you on one thing. Homo sapiens being “brought down” by imbeciles. Yes, they have – imbeciles, for the most part wearing two- and three-piece business suits!

    Thank you.

  133. @Truth Vigilante

    ‘Clearly not the case’-says who? Where are your facts? I found that there were an average 287,000 ICE vehicle fires in the USA per year between 2003 and 2007, and that EV fires were ‘very rare’ (NOT the six thousand that your ‘fifty times’ garbage asserts) and the causes of battery fires had been addressed as they were identified. Everything I’ve seen implies that EV fires are much lower in incidence, adjusting for vehicle numbers, that ICE vehicle fires, and their prevalence is reducing.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  134. turtle says:
    @anarchyst

    You (we) would be holed up in soviet-style apartments relegated to using public transportation.

    And being fed fake (patented) “food” grown in lab vats by monopoly corporations while you wait to “go to America.

  135. @anonymous

    Sure.

    There used to be somewhere to go before big Harma hacksxxxxxxine apartheid fascism.

    Now they want needlerape to dance and what good a car does me no place to go, no gas dough

  136. dimples says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    “because Australians are not that gullible and have some common sense.”

    This is not true for a majority of the population. Take Mulga Mumblehead for instance, a raving ecoloon. Many ecoloons are even more absurd than this twit.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  137. anarchyst says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Denial is one of the hallmarks of an alcoholic personality. So your definition of an American “lifestyle” is to get smashed on alcohol. There are much better things to do.
    Have you ever heard of cabs? Tipsy bar drinkers have that option. Hell, even some bars will insist that alcohol-addled patrons take a cab home instead of driving themselves and risking a DUI.

  138. Jim H says:

    ‘It is tragic that electric automobiles were killed off so early in their life. Had that transition been permitted to occur at its inception, we would have now had more than 100 years of intense battery research and development and incalculable benefits to the world’s environment.’ — Larry Romanoff

    The author transitions directly from GM’s campaign against electric tramways to bemoaning that “electric automobiles were killed off.”

    There’s no connection between electric tramways and electric automobiles. The tramways ran on utility-supplied catenary power, thus had no impact on battery development either.

    Didn’t bother reading the rest. The author obviously is in way over his head, and resorts to deceptive non sequiturs to advance his preconceived agenda.

    • Agree: turtle
  139. anarchyst says:
    @David Burberry

    I have proven my premises…perhaps you need help with reading comprehension. There are those that can help you.
    How did guns get into the mix??
    I don’t know where you live, but where I live, the roads are fine. The ICE cars that I drive serve me well and have over a million miles on them combined without major repairs, just normal maintenance.
    You remind me of Mr. Harry Bemis on the old Twilight Zone series who in one episode was “born too late” and could not get his technological devices to work properly.
    If you have cars, I’ll bet that you drive them into the ground by not performing regular maintenance on them, and then blame the manufacturer when things go awry.

  140. anarchyst says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Electric motors ARE efficient. I cannot fault you on that.
    However, today’s battery energy storage technology is not quite ready for prime time.
    Put a load in that electric Ford F-150 truck and watch the range drop precipitously. There is no getting around that.
    Cold weather also plays havoc with existing battery technology. In fact, when parked in near to below freezing temperatures, the batteries activate heaters which further sap power from propulsion range as they must be kept warm.
    Presently, electric cars are viable for short-haul operation where one commutes to work and back home and is able to plug in at home for 8 to 12 hours to charge the vehicle.
    Electric vehicles are still a fad. Greatly improved energy storage technology is needed to make them viable.

  141. @mulga mumblebrain

    You write:

    Why does the scientific community, almost totally, reject his [Koonin’s] shop-worn arguments?

    …. why are so many thousands of scientists, and ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies so wrong

    As has been explained to you before on umpteen occasions, (but your Extinction Rebellion zealotry prevents you from absorbing it), the overwhelming bulk of scientists do NOT subscribe to the Global Warming alarmism. In fact, it’s the exact opposite:

    At the end of the day, just like the Zio cabal captured the HIERARCHIES of the western health bureaucracies during the Covid Psyop, they have LIKEWISE captured the heads of these various academies of science (or more likely, used their incalculable financial wherewithal to manoeuvre said Yes-Men and women) into those positions – EXACTLY AS THEY’VE DONE IN WESTERN ACADEMIA AND THE U.S CONGRESS.

    And for those of you who are thinking this must’ve taken a lot of money to accomplish, to bribe that many people, all I can say is that ownership of the western central banks and the trillions that can be printed/digitally created with a key stroke can sure as hell buy a lot of persuasion (and behind the scenes intimidation).

    So, we’re talking a very small number of people actually, in the grand scheme of things that are compromised.
    But importantly, they hold the KEY positions.

    And, if there are any dissenting voices, they risk getting fired and never being able to find employment again in that field.

    Just ask Dr Nick Kollerstrom about that, after he was unceremoniously turfed out of University College London, despite having had an exemplary academic career.

  142. @dimples

    You got me there Dimples.

    Admittedly Australia has more than our fair share of ecoloons – I’m ashamed to say.

  143. Larry I agree with all the people here laughing at your lies and made up anti-car nonsense. You asserted many things which turn out to be totally fabricated. You argument is so weak it only deserves mockery. Typical leftist cars are bad if we only had subways where blacks could stab and rape you things would be so much better.

    Take your urban city and shove it straight up your ass. If you still live in a city then you are a fool. When the government finally goes full crazy and locks you down due to monkeypox or covid or some other made up disease you only got yourself to blame.

    Since I am a terrible racist, Homophobe, tranny hater, bigot, misogynist, White Man I moved the hell out of the United States and live in a very rural area in Asia. This is for you Larry so you can cry your eyes out like the little commie scumbag you are. My Wife does not drive, sounds great right? Wait not so fast because I have 4 cars and 3 motorcycles here and drive almost every day. I dump my used oil and other liquids back into their containers and throw them right in the trash. No special communist recycling system here. No emissions either so I have had the cat converters removed, and header and exhaust installed on 2 cars. I drive with my air conditioning on high because it is so hot here and I could care less about spending extra on gas. When my R33 Skyline’s tires were replaced I threw the old tires away and to hell with recycling.

    Point being I do all of this because global warming liars like you hate high horsepower cars and rufusal to recycle more than anything. So Larry ((()))? you enjoy yourself on your smelly nasty subway filled with life’s sickest degenerates. When one of your fellow passengers stabs you or throws you on the tracks just please think about wasteful guys like me. Maybe after you are stabbed you can have a low CO2 funeral by forcing the 3 people who would attend do it by skype or whatever instead of driving.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • LOL: Trinity
  144. @mulga mumblebrain

    You write:

    I found that there were an average 287,000 ICE vehicle fires in the USA per year between 2003 and 2007

    How many of those were cases of insurance fraud where said vehicles were intentionally burnt ?
    How many of those were minor electrical fires due to a minor short circuit and easily contained ?
    (I have first hand experience of an engine fire due to a ruptured fuel line some decades ago – but still managed to sell the car for \$2K even though the engine bay had a raging fire with metres high flames at one point before I put out the blaze – for a car that had a market value of \$3K – \$ 4K before the fire).

    If I were a betting man I would wager the majority of them were in that category.

    Did you see the Teslas after the fire in those videos I furnished earlier in this thread ?
    They are molten unrecognisable hulks with nothing salvageable.
    It’s no exaggeration to say they’d likely be in better condition in the aftermath of a thermonuclear explosion even if they were at ground zero.

    Simply put, EV fires (and especially Tesla fires) happen very quickly and they’re invariably ferocious.
    The speed with which they combust is the CRITICAL factor that makes them a death trap.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  145. @Truth Vigilante

    As an Auto Enthusiast I completely agree.

    This EV worship are only done by people that pretty much hate cars. I feel sorry for them. These guys who claim to be conservative or libertarian would laugh at “evidence” from Harvard if it was related to covid, trannys or black crime cover ups. Yet when it comes to a subject that their knowledge of comes from a couple wikipedia pages and anti car websites then all of a sudden if Harvard says so then case closed. MSNBC and CNN loves EV too so does Larry think they are worth listening to? Anyone Right or Marx would laugh at both of those propaghanda outlets.

    Good call on Top Gear which was a good show that thank God was not americentric.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  146. Goonty says:
    @Katharine Otto

    I’m exactly the opposite. Give me a wild sprawl full of everything in every direction. After having spent years in condensed metros, I find places like Texas and Oklahoma far superior for my quality of life. Especially because I own multiple properties (AirBNBs) that I must constantly attend to (often at short notice), there’s no way I could run my business depending on public transportation. And without spread out cities, there’s probably no way I could have afforded my properties in the first place. But now I have a business and my retirement all lined up.

    • Replies: @Anon
  147. Agent76 says:

    Oct. 18, 2021 Electric vehicles certainly are dirty — their battery packs are poised to be one of the biggest new sources of pollution The industry crucially needs regulation over recycling

    Although EVs do not release carbon dioxide during their use, their production (and that of batteries) exerts the same toll on the environment as that of conventional cars, while the recycling of lithium-ion batteriesposes unique challenges.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/electric-vehicles-certainly-do-pollute-their-battery-packs-are-poised-to-be-one-of-the-biggest-new-sources-of-pollution-11634577011?reflink=mw_share_email


    
    Feb 9, 2021 The Electric Vehicle Charging Problem

    There are 6,923 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven gas reserves in the world as of 2017. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 52.3 times its annual consumption. This means it has about 52 years of gas left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves).

    Natural gas is the cleanest burning and fastest growing fossil fuel, now accounting for about a quarter of global electricity generation. But its longer-term use is uncertain in a transition to net zero energy systems.

    https://www.iea.org/fuels-and-technologies/gas#more-gas

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  148. The author’s claim of “Livable cities” from an ecology standpoint is an oxymoron.

    While cities within the course of human history have in some cased become an apex of commerce, entertainment and cultural expression of society they require immense amount of land and infrastructure to support the food chain and water/sewage tables alone.

    It seems within our current climate that “livable cities” has become a code word for mass control under social Marxism.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  149. @(((They))) Live

    You wrote:

    If your posts are fact checked, then why so many wrong claims, e.g Tesla have made a profit without emissions credits from other automakers

    Before you make accusation about others making ‘wrong claims’, you should do some research of your own – lest you end up with egg on your face:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2020/07/23/avoid-tesla-stock-after-428m-tax-credits-sale/

    From the article:

    Tesla’s profitability does not come from selling vehicles — it comes from selling tax credits to competitors.

    Tesla — which has lost more than \$6.78 billion since 2003, according the Journal — has happily taken advantage of a regulation that enables it to sell carbon-emission tax credits to its rivals.

    In 2019, Tesla generated \$594 million in revenue by selling these highly profitable tax credits. In the first half of 2020, Tesla tax credit revenues amounted to \$782 million. For the second quarter, selling tax credits enabled Tesla to “eke out a \$104 million profit,” the Journal wrote.

    David Rocker, a retired hedge-fund manager, is not a Tesla bull. “It simply boggles the mind that the most valuable auto company in the market has to resort to these accounting games to even show any profit,” Rocker told the Journal.

    Morningstar concluded that Tesla would have LOST MONEY without the tax credits.

    That’s right Mr (((They))), Tesla only makes money because of ‘Accounting Games’.

    I prefer to call it by its proper name. ie: Enron style Creative Accounting or outright government enabled CHICANERY.

    • Thanks: Agent76
    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  150. Trinity says:

    General Motors and Ford gave many working class Americans good paying jobs and great benefits. Detroit was one of the main cities to put America on the map.

  151. Earl says:

    Garbage from start to finish.

  152. peterike says:

    I haven’t read all the comments so pardon if this was already said. GM, Ford and Chrysler (and every other non US automaker) are investing billions of dollars in electric vehicles. They are converting factories and assembly lines. Many of them have already stated goals to stop making ICE vehicles entirely.

    Whatever they did in the past to “kill” the electric car, they are now going after them gung-ho. Partly because governments are forcing them to, but also because all major corporations are now full to the brim with Progressive true-believers, and they genuinely feel it’s the right thing to do to “save the planet.” The fact that they are entirely delusional when it comes to the so-called “threat” of CO2 is a different matter.

  153. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Amusing Youtube channel highlights the War on Cars –

    Bullying Pedestrians worse than Ever.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  154. anarchyst says:
    @Critical Thinking

    Let’s not forget that cities are cesspools ripe for disease transmission.
    A previous poster made a good point about European cities which were created in pre-technology times, and as such were more amenable to foot, horse and wagon traffic.
    The USA has so much wide-open space that it would be foolish not to be able to enhance one’s quality of life by living on a nice plot of land, not packed like sardines in soviet-style apartments.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  155. A few questions and observations for the author.

    With such a large land mass as the US and with the author’s preference for mass transportation which by definition limits living within the reach of that transportation system, what was to become of all the raw land not serviced by public transit?

    By bemoaning the unsuccessful attempt at introducing electric vehicles over 100 years ago, what were those vehicles supposed to drive on if not roads? Once there are roads, aren’t people going to start living outside the cities as their preference dictates?

    What was supposed to charge the primitive batteries of those early electric vehicles besides the misnamed “fossil fuels”?

    By labeling suburbs as invented places somehow distinct from small towns that litter most of Europe with most not serviced by convenient public transport, but by road, where’s the difference?

    Allowing people to live not packed into little boxes in cities is declared to be an anti-social scheme. Why can’t people live where there’s fresh air, low noise, self sufficient in water and much of their consumed food and now even energy? What is so wrong with getting away from the filthy cities packed with low life trash in the US and now also much of Europe? Had it not been for the car and suburbia or small town living, many people would be forced to encounter the violent black populations in the US and the unassimilable hoards of Middle East and African savages that infect Europe.

    Economists at Harvard and Berkely produced some opinionated nonsense and we’re supposed to acknowledge their product as truth. I don’t think so.

    Californian legislation is promulgated by the most arithmetically challenged people in the US. Every one of their proposals relies on an infinite supply of currency to pay for their fantasies. California is losing population at a substantial rate because their policies are bankrupting their residents. Claiming that California did it right ignores the cost of their never ending mandates. People voting with their feet says California is doing most things wrong.

    California’s push for electrified vehicles never provided for the electrical power infrastructure required to fuel them. Their loony proposals for solar and wind to power their economy hasn’t worked and will never work as base load power. By pushing a “solution” that isn’t and disparaging the only solution to replace fossil fuels, nuclear, they are asking for something that can never materialize.

  156. Dystopian says:
    @anarchyst

    Abiogenic petroleum theory explains the process. Common sense makes me question how dead dinosaurs ended up buried under thousand of feet of rock. Since the Wikipedia claims the theory has been discredited, it must be true.

  157. antibeast says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Readers should note carefully the logical fallacy of extreme positions presented as the only alternatives. We are presented with life in a suburb with all its flaws, or in a cement block like sardines, with no other choices. But there are other choices, many of them charming, convenient, and even lovable.

    Truth Vigilante is setting up a Strawman argument using EVs with their Li-Ion batteries which is not even the subject of your article. The alternative to private transportation using gas-powered vehicles with their ICEs is not more private transportation using EVs with their Li-Ion batteries but electric-powered public mass transportation systems such as subways, trains, trams, etc. which uses wires to power their electric motors. That had been in vogue a hundred years ago in US cities until GM conspired with municipal authorities to destroy the electric-powered public mass transportation system. The end-result is the triumph of the gas-powered ICE-driven automobile and the spread of suburbs, linked by the interstate highway system in the USA.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  158. I believe my previous post neglected to congratulate Mr. Romanoff on this excellent essay. It’s doubly impressive to have followed his piece about China’s new rail transport system.

    Idle thought – is the Author concealing the fact he was born in a set of triplets? How else to easily explain this recent torrent of impressive output?

    🙂

  159. “If Americans understood their true predicament, and the fundamental causes, there would be a revolution before morning.”

    If the ‘International Banksters’ are as powerful as you say they’re then the dumbed down US public is never going to wake let alone drink the bitter cup of Java to wake up to the scene, especially, now that Biden wants to take away the guns from those who voted against Democrats.

  160. Alrenous says: • Website

    So what, that’s like 100 comments helpfully reminding Romanoff that the Federal Government has declared buses and non-single-family housing low-status?

    You don’t disagree with the Federal Government, do you?

    I liked the one that confused extremely literally Fascist America’s outright Communist central planning with a free-market system. It’s great: put your Communism behind one screen and call it Capitalist. Works nearly every time.

    In other countries they declare some other form of transit to be low-status, and they would respond in exactly the same way if you started arguing for cars in their language instead of English.

    ProTip: if non-single-family houses were really so unpopular, it wouldn’t have been necessary to outlaw them.

    Fun Fact: car-addiction suburbs get federal subsidies on construction. This means cities want immigration, so they can get more subsidies. The suburbs can’t pay for their own maintenance, so if anyone shuts down the immigration ponzi racket which is paying the maintenance, all those suburban roads are going to completely fall to pieces and nobody is driving anywhere.

  161. Malla says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Vijay Prashad is an Indian Marxist elite snob. he says a lot of bullshit about Slavery and the bullshit 45 trillion supposedly stolen from India. When that amount is larger than the entire GDP of India during the British period and studies have constantly shown that the British lost money on India. 45 trillion dollars suddenly become 45 trillion pound sterling, bullshit artists do not care much about units do they? Also slavery accounted for at most 6% of the British economy. The British Empire spent far more on ending slavery in Africa via its benevolent Empire.

    Then the typical whining Indian scumbag claims that the Indians threw the British out, which is pure bullshit, there was a transfer of power from the British parliament to the Indian and Pakistani parliaments respectively. That is it.
    Then this idiot Prashad claims (typical whining Indian elite) that the British “foisted’ coal on India? LOL What? British built Railways helped India enormously and was responsible in reducing famines in the early 1900s, famines which have ravaged India for millennia. And why didn’t Indian and Pakistan give up their railways after Independence of the British made them “coal dependent”? These shits want the cake you gave them and still cry and whine and blame.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Alrenous
  162. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The increase in temperature from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 is still uncertain to a factor of 2-3

    More like 2-3 orders of magnitude.

    The actual insulation effect of additional CO2 is basically zero. The relevant absorption band is already saturated. 0% of it reaches space. It only absorbs anything more at all due to quantum tunnelling effects with a x^-4 relationship with concentration or something at least that extreme.

    Or: doubling means going up to 840 ppm.
    Releasing another 2x the carbon as has ever been historically released.
    Not including biospheric sequestering such as enhanced plant growth.
    Not exactly urgent even if it was a problem, and it’s safe to argue that they’ve been lying about historical temperatures too: we haven’t reached the known records yet.

    The only argument is “positive feedbacks.”
    The maximum known historical CO2 concentration was in the 4000s. Ten times even our post-industrial concentration. Any positive feedbacks would have run away and turned Earth into Venus back then, rather than waiting for coal-burning. In reality the biosphere is littered with negative feedbacks.

    If CO2 is a non-factor, you would expect global temperature to drop out of the bottom of the warming climate models.
    Experimental result: global temperature dropped out of the bottom of all the warming climate models. Literally all of them were falsified.

    Hey kids, what do you do if your model is falsified?
    If you’re a scientist, you discard the model, like phlebotinum and cold fusion.
    If you’re a climatologist, you ask for more funding. And get it.

    Bonus round: CO2 was expected to go up exponentially, and instead went up hyperexponentially. It is higher than the warming climate models predicted.

    So, what actually happened is a stats 101 error called overfitting. With enough terms you can fit a polynomial expression to any random spray of points that you like, with arbitrary precision. The reason you don’t overfit measurements is because your model will go absolutely apeshit once you’re outside the testing zone. It will either skyrocket up, or skyrocket down. Groundrocket, perhaps.
    Climatologists overfit the temperature data, then threw out the models that groundrocketed, publishing only the skyrocketers. Boom, instant hockey-stick. Funding for everybody.

    The Earth has become a touch warmer because the Sun has become a touch warmer.
    The main effect of rising CO2 is to reduce plant stress. They were quietly gasping for air due to desperately thin atmospheric carbon, and now they’re not.

    • Agree: peterike
  163. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Malla

    studies have constantly shown that the British lost money on India.

    Colonialism was private and good for everyone involved, on average. When the Crown stole the colonies and made them Imperial, it became bad for everyone, due to the fact Conquest’s Third is an Iron Law.

    Yes, the British lost money on India. The same way USG loses money turning America into an asphalt hellscape.

    • Replies: @Malla
  164. “Every man should know his limitations!” – and the author has been exposed by his personal presumptuous and ingrained presuppositions in addition to his binary thinking – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2020/02/ingrained-presuppositions-and-binary.html?m=0 – sooner or later it trips us all, and I know that from personal experience.
    He has obviously bought the ticket on CO2 as some kind of poisonous gas, in addition to his personal preferences on urban or city planning. His overall understanding on the engineering factors of the sources and distribution of energy might be limited to the average California politician’s take on ‘global warming’, which is at best a religion.
    In summary, there is no perfect transportation system…..what is almost perfect is the ability of wealth and political rulership to gain the political consent of the populace by corruption and coercion……so WTF is new?
    That’s just the history of mankind!

  165. hankjr says:

    Stamping out competition was also the real reason behind Prohibition- Alcohol was a cheap, easy- to-produce fuel alternative to gasoline, and Rockefeller et al wanted to corner the fuel market by forcing everyone to use gasoline(which originally was just a byproduct of kerosene production), so they bought enough congresspeople to force through the 18th amendment.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  166. After trashing the mass transit systems, the automakers led by GM produced a wide array of mythical narratives to justify and praise the transportation system they had created.

    The American people were for generations complimented on their individualism, adventuresome spirit and their love of freedom and independence – and for the choices they believed they made but that had been made for them by others.

    Here as in no other market is it so true that the capitalists were selling “not so much products as emotion itself, psychologically linking the act of purchasing an automobile to falsely-manufactured feelings of confidence, freedom, happiness, empowerment and independence, tying the very self-identity of Americans to the purchase of an automobile.”

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Mefobills
    , @Alrenous
  167. IronForge says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Good Article.

    Thank you for Highlighting the Collusion btwn GM and the Oil Companies. I understand the Los Angeles (I currently live in SoCal) had an extensive Train+Tram Commuter Systems; but the Auto+Tire+Oil Companies Shut them down.

    The GM Volt worked. It was poorly designed where it couldn’t be used as an Uber Ride-sharing Vehicle. Compact/Breadbasket/Crossover/SUV/Truck Models with Slightly Larger Batteries using that Tandem Drive would have Sold Well.

    Yet GM Canx the Volt yet keep producing the Volt.

    I can’t concur that the Suburbs were exclusively an American/Canadian Invention. The desire to have larger living spaces, yards, gardens, livestock, workshops, smog-free air, and Tree Groupings – outside of the “Urban Concrete Sprawl” – drive many a modern Nation-State’s City Planners.

    Kind of like the Difference btwn Los Angeles and nearby Orange County.

    I do concur that in the USA Suburbs+Ex-Urban Areas, Cars may not be needed for Commuting to Urban Areas; but are convenient/at-times-essential to getting around locally.

    IMHO, most European+Asian Metropolitan Areas were Older Cities with Dense Populations established well before the Age of Commuter Trains and Automobiles. Streets are narrower/smaller, etc. That allowed for Urban Residents to adapt their Community Planning.

    American+Canada have plenty of Real Estate to Live in; and Larger Cities are getting Too Crowded. In turn, some Urbanites are trying to ruin Suburban/Ex-Urban Residents’ Lives by Re-Zoning more Land surrounding the Cities.

    I grew up in the Suburbs of Tokyo while my Father was Stationed during his 40+ Year Navy+AuxFleet Careers; and I was Stationed as an Officer on a Guided Missile Cruiser Homeported there. I rented an Apt across the Harbor from where our Ships were moored; and I rode my Bicycle to Work. I took shortcuts to beat my roommate who drove to the ship. It was convenient since my Hours were long InPort 6days/wk unless I had WatchDuty on a Sunday. I’d hang out at my Parents on Weekend Days.

    The Public Transportation Systems of Japan work well to get around in – especially for those who have to Commute to Urban Areas. I got around well on Buses and Trains from my Years as a Kid; and recall having Passenger Guides on Buses before they were swapped out by Taped Recordings.

    I didn’t enjoy the MetroDC Trains – which did work to allow Suburban+Ex-Urban Residents to Ride Buses / Park their Cars outside the Beltway to avoid the congestion within.

    I didn’t like the NYC Subway System when I was Stationed there – poorly maintained. LIRR and MetroNorth + Buses worked for Suburban+Ex-Urban Residents. I lived in Batchelor Officer Quarters in the outskirts of Queens/Nassau Border Areas for a Year. I ended up Driving through Queens/Bronx/Manhattan+Ferrying to Governor’s Island to Park my Car for Free+Ferrying Back+OneSubwayLine to get to my MIC Contracting Office at SoHo.

    American Suburban Planning could use another look going forward.
    *****

    I’m curious to how you came to your conclusion about Hydrogen. Can you cite your sources regarding CO2 Generation compared to Gasoline? Watching the JPNese news – Toyota were pursuing Hydrogen because it’s an Industrial Gas with lower particulate emissions (operative words here, with all due respect – water vapor by itself don’t cause smog), and JPN used to have a Nuclear Reactor Collective that provided 25% of the Baseline. Electrolysis isn’t efficient like Stream-Cracking; but it’s there when most people are – asleep.

    Of course, Toyota are pursing Battery Tech as Well.

    Again, thanks for the Article and the Sources.

    • Replies: @Pure Blood Deplorable
  168. Wild Man says:

    OK ….. something doesn’t make sense (with the article). The diesel in our proven technology of diesel locomotives, to pull hugely heavy trains, uses the diesel, to generate on-board electrical power, to power the locomotive’s mechanism: Electric power = superior torque. Diesel fuel = superior on-board energy storage capacity.

    I smell BS. Because the author of this article did not deal with these obvious facts.

    Also, I live in a large Alberta city, that used to have overhead wires throughout core areas of the city, for electrical trolley buses. That finally went out in 2009. Not sure about cost savings for the City (but I speculate there must have been a cost savings, otherwise the City would have abandoned this legacy project from the bygone era before 2009, when the legacy infrastructure was pretty much beyond repair, by that point), …. but it is clear that the City did not expand this project beyond the core area of the City, as the City grew, because the capital cost was prohibitive (i.e. – as amortized, being more than the cost savings of using the electrical energy source). Also, the trolleys would constantly fall off the overhead lines (which I observed countless times by way of my occasional bus rides back during the 1980’s), when the bus driver switched lanes or took a corner, and the bus driver would have to get out, go to the outside of the back of the bus, in order to reposition the trolleys back onto the overhead lines, often in heavy traffic, causing a traffic schmozz here, and a traffic schmozz there, hundreds of times per day (i.e. – having your energy storage on-board, is rather critical, methinks).

  169. turtle says:
    @interesting

    and he probably regards this:

    as paradise.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting

    The teenagers, each of whom had previously been arrested and convicted at least once, stated they were on their way to rob a video arcade in Manhattan.

    In his statements, Goetz described his past mugging, in which he was injured and the only assailant arrested went unpunished. He called New York City “lawless” and expressed contempt for its justice system, calling it a “joke,” a “sham,” and “a disgrace”. Goetz said that when the four surrounded him on the train, he feared being “beaten to a pulp” as well as being robbed.

    It’s so “vibrant,” “charming” and “diverse,” you see.

    Welcome to Noo Yawk Shitty, where self defense is illegal.

  170. Wild Man says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Dear Mr. Romanoff …… I was once a young guy (in the late 1970’s). I bought a car as soon as I could (before I even had a license at age 16), by way of money I made, first doing a 800-house flyer route as a young lad of 12, and then later, bussing tables at a fancy restaurant featuring live nightly entertainment. Once I got the license at age 16, I used that first car (as well as a series of subsequent cars) to drive all over my neck of the woods, to see what was there, …. which I never would have been able to do if there was no such things as reasonably priced, and reasonable-cost-to-operate long-range personal vehicles. Part of my pursuit, of seeing for myself, what was out there, took me away for entire 3-day weekends, exploring forestry trunk roads, and oil and gas roads, in remote wilderness in the Alberta foothills.

    Mr. Romanoff …. you know what? ….. giving expression to that spontaneous youthful wanderlust was formative for me. I am the man I am today, partly because I was able to give some expression to that spontaneous youthful wanderlust. I wouldn’t knock that, if I were you. It is a human drive (more-so a masculine human drive). You saying that spontaneous youthful wanderlust was engineered in places like America and Canada, and as such is fake? Bollocks. That is one of the stupidest things I ever heard.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  171. @Truth Vigilante

    STOP. only one of us can be right about this, and guess what its NOT you

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/20/23031976/tesla-q1-earnings-profit-elon-musk

    Please stop making foolish claims about Tesla and EVs, I know far more about the subject than you

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  172. Mefobills says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Libertarian retards are immune from their own gas emissions; they don’t even know how retarded they sound.

    Summary: I don’t know what GM did in the 1920’s to lessen the dependence of the public on public transport and if they did underhanded things I certainly don’t condone it.

    You don’t know because like a See No Evil monkey, you close your eyes and ears whenever something happens that goes against libertarian narratives.

    Free markets can never malfunction, you know because the are free, and are … wait for it, GOD!

    It is a plain fact that in-groups form, and collude. They CONSPIRE! They want to take profit with usury, rents and any sort of unearned income they can extract. But, then again, lolbertarian shit-birds cannot accept that this happens, and if it does “Well I don’t know, or other lame excuses.”

    Just like a crime novel, GM had motive, and the free market was free for them to conspire.

    At that time, General Motors and the major oil companies were facing a multiple crisis.

    And then the criminals were caught!

    According to the company’s own files, GM created a special secret division charged with the task of exterminating mass transit and replacing it with gasoline-powered propulsion, eliminating all traces of electric vehicles. At the time, GM was an enormously powerful firm, possessing great financial leverage with the banking systems

    AND THEN! GM went to the private banks (free market again) and using leverage created money to execute their nefarious plan, to collude, to then take sordid gain.

    All of your dissembling is just that. The fact of the matter is that you are ate up, basically crazy, and can broker no dissent with your shit-tier junk economics and ideology of Lolbertarianism.

  173. @Poupon Marx

    What do you expect? He just an average North American.
    I live in Canada. We prostitute ourselves to become A “Murican.

  174. Public transportation wouldn’t be a benefit in a multiracial mess like America anyway.

  175. @Fran Taubman

    They could’ve expanded the cities. Row homes instead of commie blocks. I can’t stand logical fallacy games, but I think your argument is called a false dilemma/dichotomy.

    Suburbs are a colossal waste of space and a cancer on the countryside. The idea has developed into exurbs and work from home in Idaho. And nobody is happy about it. Country people obviously hate having their peace and way of life destroyed. Even the erstwhile city folk are only temporarily happy. They get bored and soon agitate for more places to eat, shop, and be entertained. Developers are happy to oblige, of course.

    It’s one big money making scheme, yes, by the auto industry, but also by developers, banks, chain retailers, and the sort. All driven by the blight coming out of the cities, which could be the reason for endless immigration and refugee resettlement. Heck, maybe even shitlibbery, too.

    I guess it’s easier to make a buck building new instead of redeveloping or maintaining what’s already there. The freedom to get in your car and run. Capitalism stripped of the moral dimension, or maybe that’s all capitalism ever was.

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
    • Replies: @Anon
  176. Mefobills says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Simply put, EV fires (and especially Tesla fires) happen very quickly and they’re invariably ferocious.

    The fires usually start due to puncture.

    The Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries don’t burst into flames when “short circuited” by puncturing.

    These types of batteries will last a long time because they don’t form dendrites, and when you trade your car in, the battery will be redeployed for a house, or maybe an easy life supporting the grid. You might even get several thousand dollars for the battery trade in, offsetting the lifetime cost of the vehicle.

    https://tri-lift.com/byd-lithium-iron-phosphate-battery/

    The BYD battery LiFePO4 (Lithium Iron Phosphate) is different from other types of Lithium battery powered products that have experienced safety issues, usually fire or over-heating. The BYD Iron Phosphate battery differs chemically from the typical Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2) used in portable devices and cameras and has been thoroughly tested by BYD for safety.

    BYD has subjected its Fe battery to multiple safety tests, from burning, to overheating, dropping, perforation, and crushing. The BYD lithium phosphate battery (Fe) has proven extremely safe, never losing structural integrity nor exploding.

    I’m replying because TV is an unusual retard, and it is whack a mole time.

    It is not good for people to whistle past the graveyard, because their brains are calcified.

    EV’s eventually will overcome IC cars. It may even happen within this decade given the rapid advances.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @nokangaroos
  177. turtle says:
    @Fran Taubman

    My grandfather was born in Brooklyn, NY in 1893 to immigrant parents from the central Rheinland. He was a banker in NYC, and as soon as he could afford it, he moved his family to Nyack, in Rockland County, where my father was born. He commuted by train to his job in Manhattan, but guess what, his wife drove him to the train station in an automobile.

    In later years, they moved to central New Jersey, and my grandfather commuted by automobile (a Buick) from his farm in Plainsboro to his banking job in Trenton, where he worked for Mary G. Roebling @ Trenton Trust Company, the Roebling family bank.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Roebling

    Growing up in New Jersey, both my parents and grandparents had large gardens, and preserved and stored food for the winter. That was common in that time and place. Houses typically had full basements, which was where the food was stored. This was a rural area, not suburban.

    I own a typical suburban lot in an Evil Suburban Location in Southern California. Here, I can and do grow citrus, grapes, plums, raspberries, blackberries, cucumbers, tomatoes, peppers, etc. I prefer the tomatoes from my own garden, because I can grow varieties which are tastier than those which can be bought at the supermarket. The supermarket “tomatoes” are engineered for shipment, not flavor.

    Similarly, there is no comparison between the taste of fresh picked citrus and the stuff they peddle @ the supermarket. Oh, and I guess the oranges, lemons and limes I pick from my own trees have a lower “carbon footprint” than those which are shipped by truck to the local supermarket, having been harvested far away and (relatively) long ago.

    Of course, even small scale agriculture requires fertilizer, which I buy in large sacks and haul from the store to my home in my Ford F150. Thanks, Henry.

  178. anarchyst says:
    @anon

    Blacks in Detroit do this all the time. If there is a basketball hoop facing the street, the “fellas” or “teens” (take your pick) will not stop playing to allow traffic to proceed. They will make cars wait for them to finish their “shot”.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  179. Mefobills says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Here as in no other market is it so true that the capitalists were selling “not so much products as emotion itself, psychologically linking the act of purchasing an automobile to falsely-manufactured feelings of confidence, freedom, happiness, empowerment and independence, tying the very self-identity of Americans to the purchase of an automobile.”

    We are caught in a Jewish matrix. Finance Capitalism is a Jewish invention. If people don’t want to hear it, tough shit – it is what it is.

    The first corporations were towns in lowlands of Holland, where the burgermeister (Mayor) would tax the population to pay debts.

    Then our friends invented parliamentary government, so that the debtors of the town could rubber stamp their new debt status. Parliamentary governments are a buying and selling of votes. Kings would erase their personal debts when they died. How are you going to collect, when they are dead? Our creditor friends wanted public debts to then guarantee profit on money.

    So, debts became public and corporations popped into existence. Then our friends did all kinds of scams to alter the stock market, and then they created stock owned banks. The stocks and bonds of banks and other corporations are on- sold into “free markets.”

    The Western Construct is Jewish, with private banks hypothecating credit, and on-selling of debt instruments and other “paper assets,” into markets. Then the markets are swung and colluded with to make their “capital” position always grow at the expense of the real producers, the people of the town, or country.

    The self identity of Americans is shaped with narrative, especially ads on the Teeevee.

    It should be no surprise that one of the most odious narrative shapers in history was Edward Bernays.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/edward-bernays-4685459

    Bernays was part of the Austrian Jews that Lolbertarians follow as their god.

    Bernays was often portrayed as the father of propaganda, a title he did not mind. He maintained that propaganda was a laudable and necessary component of democratic government.

    Edward L. Bernays was born on November 22, 1891, in Vienna, Austria. His family emigrated to the United States a year later, and his father became a successful grain merchant on the New York commodity exchanges.

    • Replies: @Anon
  180. @James of Africa

    Electrifiying the bicycle has created a “New” appliance! The mechanical efficiency, ecological footprint, low cost and freedom of the non-motorized bike has been trashed in favour of the “New” entitlement program: now our dinky town has a bike dedicated street for 3 kms, at a cost of <\$1 million for traffic calming on residential streets that are never busy. There has been DECADES of education and awareness for both cyclists and motorists, but since cars are bigger and more expensive, plus the police LOVE to drive their big vehicles very rarely or none at all, exercise law enforcement.

    What is happening, is that motorist entitlement has seeped into e-bike riders! Arrogant, "out of my way", display poor bike handling skills from adults to the tweenies. School aged kids that get e-bikes because they are too lazy to walk to school, or that a non-motorized is "unsafe" or the parents are too inconvenienced to drive them! Great attitudes for moving forward to a greater sensitivity on ecological issues.

    Incidentally, for every e-bike that was purchased through on online company, all problems are solved via courier!!!

  181. Jon Chance says: • Website

    If citizens owned their own banks and factories, the costs of solar-powered plug-in hybrid vehicles would have been very competitive over a decade ago:

    [MORE]

    Chevrolet Insignia Estate S
    Rothschild Edition

    Price: \$1630 silver dollars
    Fuel economy: 50-100 mpg
    Fuels: Electricity, vegetable oil, petro-diesel and/or biodiesel
    Body/chassis: Recycled aluminum and polymer composite

    Acceleration: 7 seconds (0-60 mph)
    Top speed: 120 mph (electronically limited)
    Motor: 2.0-liter turbo-diesel parallel plug-in hybrid electric
    Power: 210 bhp (154 kW)

    Battery: 10 kWh lithium-ion and capacitors
    Transmissions: 6-speed manual or automatic CVT
    Weight: 3630 lbs (1650 kg)
    Power/weight: 93 W/kg
    Warranty: 10 years or 100,000 miles

    S-Type Rothschild Edition automobiles operate in two plug-in modes (6.6-kW charging input and 6.6-kW output) and three driving modes: 210-bhp (154-kW) hybrid, 72-bhp (53-kW) electric and 138-bhp (101-kW) turbo-diesel. S-Type RE models include 20 super-efficient 4.5-Watt non-toxic household LED spotlights and a 6080-Watt grid-tied solar-electric system:

    Photovoltaic System
    Rated power: 6080 Watts
    Output/month @ average peak sun-hours per day:

    346 kWh @ 2 sun-hours
    518 kWh @ 3 sun-hours
    692 kWh @ 4 sun-hours
    866 kWh @ 5 sun-hours
    1038 kWh @ 6 sun-hours

    Warranty: 20 years
    Price/kWh (silver dollars) @ average peak sun-hours per day:

    \$0.0118 @ 2 sun-hours
    \$0.0079 @ 3 sun-hours
    \$0.0059 @ 4 sun-hours
    \$0.0047 @ 5 sun-hours
    \$0.0039 @ 6 sun-hours

    Windpower Option
    Price: \$69,600 silver dollars
    Rated power: 1500 kW
    Rotor diameter: 77 meters
    Swept area: 4657 square meters
    Rated speed: 11 rpm
    Tower height: 100 meters
    Output/month @ average wind speed (meters per second):

    99,000 kWh @ 4 m/s
    187,580 kWh @ 5 m/s
    291,830 kWh @ 6 m/s
    394,580 kWh @ 7 m/s

    Warranty: 20 years
    Price/kWh (silver dollars) @ average wind speed (meters per second):

    \$0.00293 @ 4 m/s
    \$0.00155 @ 5 m/s
    \$0.00099 @ 6 m/s
    \$0.00073 @ 7 m/s

    https://jpchance.wordpress.com

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  182. @anarchyst

    Streets are for people before cars.
    Especially low traffic neighbourhoods.

    Hierarchy of transportation essentials:

    Since NOT everyone can drive a car, and at any time during the day more people are NOT driving but are walking, cycling, skateboarding etc. and also many people are not able to drive,

    Pedestrians, including mobility carts have 1st proiority;

    next, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, as almost EVERYBODY has the mental and physical capacity to use PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, but not drive a car;

    Then, those individuals that utilize their work vehicles for their employment, trades, delivery etc.

    Lastly, the private, over-engineered and narcissism driving automobile.

    In That Order.

    By the way, upholding the car as penis is NOT very anarchistic!

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Pure Blood Deplorable
  183. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Wind energy is the lowest-cost source of electricity.

    Here’s a new 7.2 MW wind turbine:

    https://www.vestas.com/en/products/enventus-platform/V172-7-2-MW

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  184. We see these same predatory tactics used today by GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3BLM thugs on anyone who interferes with their monopolies or narrative.
    We also see the same useless government feds turning a blind eye to excerpt justice for the common people, all in the name of diversity, inclusion and reparations.

    You have to be a doped up brainwashed imbecile to not see what’s playing out, which tells me most are.

  185. Mefobills says:
    @Crush Limbraw

    He has obviously bought the ticket on CO2 as some kind of poisonous gas, in addition to his personal preferences on urban or city planning. His overall understanding on the engineering factors of the sources and distribution of energy might be limited to the average California politician’s take on ‘global warming’, which is at best a religion.

    There will never be agreement because there are too many complex dependent variables regarding the weather system. Will the ocean adapt and increase uptake as shell fish evolve their shells?

    Nobody knows.

    But, if C02 reduction is economically viable, or if it improves security, then there is no reason not to “lean” into C02 reduction.

    Full Cycle Nuclear Power has very little waste, especially if you use fast breeders. That power can supply a grid. The Grid can be made robust with giant diodes to survive EMP. The amount of energy we consume directly correlates to standard of living.

    Some people, especially those who lack scientific training don’t know what to make of the CO2 dilemma, and have to rely on the experts. Many of the experts are spouting nonsense, because there is no way to know, to have an answer, and they don’t want to appear as stupid. Hubris keeps people from being honest with themselves and others.

    Keep your eye on the mammonites and free traders who want to use corporations to then supersede the sovereign, using cap and trade and other marketing schemes. This is Jewish ideation, and anything they touch turns to shit.

    Something like what China is doing with industrial policy is the right answer.

  186. @anarchyst

    If you hate people it’s good to get away from them. I guess it depends on the kind of people in your area and your attitude to them.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  187. Mefobills says:
    @Jon Chance

    If citizens owned their own banks and factories,

    Money = Law.

    Law = Force.

    Which private citizens get to own the guns and have a franchise on violence, to then ensure contracts get paid?

    It is possible to have sovereign money and private banks. But, the bank can never be allowed to hypothecate, to have the ability to manufacture money. They can only loan out what they have on hand, the vault money, otherwise known as gyro banking.

    The citizens can own the building, but cannot own the money power.

    All civilizations give away some of their “rights” to a third party, where said third party operates as their agent. For example, a sheriff can shoot someone and he is not dragged through the courts for years, because it is understood they have a different standard for violence.

    You Georgists sure sound Libertarian.

  188. @Mittens

    Musk finally got Big Motor to build EV’s even though they’re trying to beat him up as they did Tucker Motors, DeLorian, bla bla bla.
    The race pandering race hustle is on.

    Shakedown Negro; GM, why did you desert blacks in Detroit?

    GM; Unions.

    Shakedown Negro; you gonna pay reparations or die like tha dinosaurs.

    GM; but we have a black CEO?

    Shakedown Negro; yo whole company should be black.

  189. Agent76 says:

    MAR 29, 2022 ELECTRIC VEHICLES HAVE A VERY DIRTY SECRET

    Electric vehicles (EVs) are dear to our green priesthood because they appear to buck this trend. The EV is a very rare example of a “green” innovation that can actually be an attractive product.

    https://climatechangedispatch.com/electric-vehicles-have-a-very-dirty-secret/

    May 24, 2022 Tesla Owner Breaks Window to Escape Before Vehicle Catches Fire in Vancouver

    Tesla Owner Breaks Window to Escape Before Vehicle Catches Fire in Vancouver.

  190. Larry, you’re entering a world of pain.

  191. Sparkon says:
    @Mefobills

    But, if C02 reduction is economically viable, or if it improves security, then there is no reason not to “lean” into C02 reduction.

    Oh dear. A zero (0) is not the same character as an O. They cannot be interchanged willy nilly. You did it twice so it’s not a typo, but some kind of dogberry.

    I’ve heard of Ice 9, even Love Potion #9, but never Carbon 02.

    Ideally, and just for the record, carbon dioxide is written CO₂. CO2 is acceptable, but C02 is not, provided of course you want your readers to think you really do know what you’re talking aout.

    Full Cycle Nuclear Power has very little waste

    Only the nuclear power industry stands to benefit when fossil fuels are outlawed and so-called renewable energy can’t keep the lights on, let alone charge all your batteries overnight.

    From the beginning, it’s been my suspicion that the nuclear power industry has been a major player in the manmade runaway global warming scam.

  192. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    Lollectivists? Lolefties?

  193. anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    I’m a high school drop out, who worked on offshore oil drilling rigs for 6 years back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. I came to the “earth-generated” abiotic formation of crude oil on my own way back then, decades before I heard one peep about it on the internet, which didn’t even exist at that time.
    Once you realize how much of the “stuff” comes out of the ground, and from what EXTREME DEPTHS in rock so hard we sometimes measured drilling rates in inches per hour, sometimes taking 16 hours and more to drill 30 feet; it should be obvious to anyone with common sense, that petroleum is too abundant, and too ubiquitously a part of the planetary substructure to be the leftovers of ancient life forms.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  194. @Mefobills

    Don’t spend too much time on the libertarians of Unz.

    They complain about Jews having too much influence in media and then cite their favorite Jewish Libertarian writer or AM talk show host. It’s such a facepalm.

    Libertarians opposed regulating asbestos. That really says enough about their mentality.

    If our Fine Upstanding Corporations want to sell asbestos stuffed beds then so be it.

    We can all go to sleep in them while inhaling 1000 ppms of CO2.

    It all will be fine because their beloved Jewish ex-Soviet Ayn Rand said that since Communism failed we should get rid of all environmental regulations. She also thought that we should allow unlimited immigration from the third world but later said that Israel can have borders cause that’s different.

    Amazing that so many Whites still identify as libertarian when the internet has an archive of how full of sh-t that beastly woman truly was.

    • Agree: Mefobills
  195. @anon

    it should be obvious to anyone with common sense, that petroleum is too abundant, and too ubiquitously a part of the planetary substructure to be the leftovers of ancient life forms.

    Your common sense is correct and that is why oil and gas shouldn’t be called fossil fuels.

    It’s mostly from buried plant material.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Anon
    , @Mevashir
  196. @anarchyst

    In the 1930’s under National Socialism, Germany had an excellent public transport system but that did not deter the Fuhrer from developing the concept of the autobahn along with the Volkswagen project. He clearly stated that the idea was to allow Germans to enjoy weekend travelling without the hassle of using public transportation. Public and private transportation do not have to be mutually exclusive. Suburban living was not an outgrowth of the car industry only but also the deliberate destruction of the American city for ethnic control of the undesirable Catholic demographic growth as explained by E. Michael Jones in his book “ The Slaughter of Cities”.

    Yet, maybe someone can explain the USG’s huge penalty imposed on Volkswagen under the pretence of fighting the car giant’s fraudulent emissions claims when the latter was about to finalise a deal with the Chinese government to build a special electric two seater car while emission fraud declarations were widespread among most French auto manufacturers as acknowledged by the French media. Does anyone suspect that petroleum industry interests might have had a hand in this attack on Volkswagen or are we getting into the realm of conspiracy theories.

    Public or private transport should be decided by market forces as long as special interest lobbying is kept under control; unfortunately, in the U.S. this nothing more than wishful thinking.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  197. @hankjr

    Prohibition was above all the application of Puritan WASP female disgust
    at those filthy Germans and Irish IOW sexual envy, and it long predated
    the internal combustion engine (“All Nations Welcome – except Carrie”-
    classic saloon sign 😛 ).
    H.J. Stammel called it “the Mom as National Trauma”.
    Using corn (by far the most efficient US crop) for fuel is primarily a way to get
    rid of ag overproduction without having to murder pigs or fatten joggers –
    the ROEI is around 1 i.e. sheer idiocy
    (with sugarcane you can get ROEI of 2 which is still shitty but makes sense when
    you have to pay for oil in \$\$\$ and don´t have coal or the engineering wherewithal
    to do SASOL).
    They are working on Chlamydia (I mean, seriously) that can digest cellulose
    but that also only makes sense for wastes, not dedicated crops.

  198. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    How would free markets malfunction?

    Libertarians realize that central planning/statism/collectivism etc makes it a lot easier for the

    in-groups form, and collude. They CONSPIRE! They want to take profit with usury, rents and any sort of unearned income they can extract

    GM conspired with the planners?

    Private banks operating in a fiat economy backed by the state?

  199. Mefobills says:
    @Sparkon

    Oh dear. A zero (0) is not the same character as an O. They cannot be interchanged willy nilly. You did it twice so it’s not a typo, but some kind of dogberry.

    I do it to find the spell police.

    They are usually ass holes.

    It is the content of what you are saying that matters. I also dont don’t always uses apostrophes. I may even missspelll.

    Congratulations you passed the ass hole test, and are one.

    If you don’t like nuclear, then there is Quaise. I wasn’t shilling for nuclear, I did say, if it is economic and makes sense. ooops run on sentence and no period

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaise

    Industrial policy can include a mix of competing technologies, to see what wins. You fell into the trap, where corporations pull strings on government.

    China has industrial policy and industrial capitalism.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  200. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Unlimited immigration from the third world with no government welfare/support? What’s the incentive?

  201. Mefobills says:
    @John Johnson

    Don’t spend too much time on the libertarians of Unz.

    Yes, of course you are right.

    I can’t help myself, they are so self righteous in their circular logic, that it defies belief.

    So, rather than standing there agape, and controlling myself, it turns out I can’t (control myself). I get triggered.

    Thanks, I will try to do better next time. You hear that TV, you should just be ignored.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  202. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paintersforms

    What about the moral dimension of endless immigration and refugee resettlement?

    What’s wrong with the freedom to get in your car and run from the marxist megalomaniacs?

    • Replies: @Paintersforms
  203. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    Neither can overcome overpopulation/government handouts etc.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  204. Mefobills says:
    @John Johnson

    Your common sense is correct and that is why oil and gas shouldn’t be called fossil fuels.

    It’s mostly from buried plant material.

    It could also be deep methane CH4 from when the Earth formed. Carbon is already present.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/cassini-explores-a-methane-sea-on-titan

    How did the methane on Titan get there?

    There was water found, very deep, in the Kola superdeep borehole.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @nokangaroos
  205. @Sparkon

    Like most denialists you have it 180 degrees arse-about. Nuclear is a stalking-horse for fossil fuels. Every dollar, and there are billions of them, wasted on nukes, ever more expensive as they are, unique for a ‘mature’ technology, is money that could have been spent on renewable development and deployment, and energy efficiency. Whether this is idiocy or disinformation, only you know. PS The same capitalists own both nukes and fossil fuels.

  206. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Why not call buried plant material, fossil?
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fossil

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  207. @Mefobills

    Your hypothesis concerning ‘shell fish’ is misguided because the increase in ocean acidification is occurring TOO QUICKLY for the shell-fish to evolve, particularly in colder waters. You cannot magically ‘adapt’ to your shell crumbling.
    Then you reveal the denialists’ basic psychopatholgy. Is there money to be made from averting human extinction? And your maunderings concerning ‘experts’ and ‘answers’ ignorantly ignores that these matters are probabilistic, not the denialist death-cult’s preferred black and white zealotry. In fact, of course, the probabilities of climate destabilisation outlined by experts (you prefer ideologues, plainly)in the IPCC Reports have consistently UNDER-estimated the speed and extent of climate changes.

  208. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @anarchyst

    The automobile is symptomatic of America as an isolated antisocial sociopathic and misanthropic society. When I am walking in town or on a bus I look at the cars with their one or two occupants and think of them as four-wheeled motorized metallic coffins, isolating the drivers from interacting with anyone around them. It’s the perfect symbol for our sick and dysfunctional society.

  209. @Crush Limbraw

    CO2 is poisonous you cretin, at high enough concentrations (see the Lake Nyos tragedy). At lower concentrations, starting from c.1000 ppm it begins to affect cognition-your excuse I suppose. And I do love how the denialist death-cultists, the MOST fanatic pseudo-religious zealots known to wickedness, always project their filthy villainy onto the sane, rational defenders of Life on Earth. I often wonder if your type are not directly connected to The Pit.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Anon
  210. @Joe Levantine

    The attack on Volkswagen was obviously orchestrated, and from the
    same corner as the current Ukraine brouhaha. My guess then was that
    (((someone))) was sitting on heaps of worthless Tesla stock and VW had
    just perfected the 3-liter car (for our US readers, that´s 79 mpg).

    (I do believe that small Diesel, at least short-term, is the Way.)

    • Agree: Joe Levantine, anarchyst
  211. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:

    Superb article. Shie-Shie. It also illustrates the advantages of socialism over capitalism. Capitalism can only succeed by appealing to the basest instincts of people. Socialism can aim for much higher ideals and the common good. I like to say that socialists see money as a means to serve the people while capitalists see people as a means to amass money. Truly an evil satanic and vulgar ideology that succeeds only because the pastoral parasites have been bought off as propagandists to the naive and gullible fools in the pews. (People who imagine that obscene levels of gun ownership and violence are a necessary price to pay for the wonderful freedoms of being an Am-a-reekin.)

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Anon
  212. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @John Johnson

    I don’t believe the abiotic theory posits any plant source of oil and natural gas. It rather asserts that these resources originate from deep inside the Earth’s mantle. They have nothing to do with plant or animal fossils.

    I once did a thumbnail estimate. If you take the estimated fossil fuel reserves across the globe along with known volumes of consumption for the last 200 years, and posit all of them are converted plant material: that would mean that if the entire surface of the Earth were covered with vegetation it would have to have been completely submerged and fossilized 100,000 times over Earth’s history to create these volumes of fuel.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  213. @Anon

    Why not call buried plant material, fossil?
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fossil

    People associate fossils with animals and I have even seen children’s cartoons where oil is depicted as coming from dinosaur bones.

    I understand the meaning behind “fossil fuels” but it isn’t very a good term. A fossil really describes something that has been preserved for us to observe and wasn’t crushed into oil.

  214. @Mefobills

    It could also be deep methane CH4 from when the Earth formed. Carbon is already present.

    You are talking about abiogenic oil which isn’t going to be the large reserves they drill in the ocean.

    Yes a lot of it is still a mystery and it may exist on other plants.

  215. @Mefobills

    Good, but that nixes the whole point of using lithium in the first place,
    namely energy density.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  216. Sparkon says:
    @Mefobills

    I do it to find the spell police [sic] .

    Sure you do. I see that English is probably not your first language, but you should say “spelling police” to sound like a native speaker.

    Don’t use a verb as an adjective, and above all, don’t go directly from a laughable rationalization right into name calling, but gosh, you must be a real big boy to use naughty words like that.

    In English, many verbs can be made into adjectives by adding the suffix -ing, and into nouns by adding the suffix -er, so we have spelling bees but not spell bees, and the participants who win spelling bees are known as the best spellers.

    You may not appreciate clean, concise writing void of all typographical and spelling errors, but most of us do.

    All of the so-called carbon capture and sequestering schemes are a complete waste of enormous sums of money on a useless exercise.

    Unfortunately, the climate change scam has already done its damage, and we’re reaping the bitter harvest with skyrocketing prices everywhere.

    None of this would have happened if we’d stayed with cheap, reliable, abundant sources of energy like coal.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  217. George says:

    “GM’s initial EV-1 used simple lead-acid batteries without problem”

    Lead is extremely heavy, atomic number 82, weight 207. Compare with Lithium atomic number 3, weight 6.9. There is a reason why lithium is the preferred material.

    1980 lead acid battery car required 6 wheels.

    1980 Briggs & Stratton Hybrid – Jay Leno’s Garage

    https://www.google.com/search?q=leno+briggs+stratton&oq=leno+briggs+stratton+&aqs=chrome..69i57.11471j0j7&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#

  218. @Mevashir

    I don’t believe the abiotic theory posits any plant source of oil and natural gas.

    There are both theories. The theory that it is all abiotic is pretty rare.

    I once did a thumbnail estimate. If you take the estimated fossil fuel reserves across the globe along with known volumes of consumption for the last 200 years, and posit all of them are converted plant material

    Plant/animal material that includes plankton and algae from ancient seas. The middle east was an ocean around 100 million years ago.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethys_Ocean

  219. Legba says:

    You forgot how they murdered that guy who invented a carburetor that would run your car 100 miles on a glass of water

  220. Mefobills says:
    @Anon

    Neither can overcome overpopulation/government handouts etc.

    With fascism, or a Tsar/King system, you just tell people to stop breeding.

    Or, better yet, use Eugenics and only allow those who are superior to breed.

    With freedumb democracy there is hoaxes and propaganda by the hidden ruling class, to then herd the Goyim.

    Lukasheno in Belarus, told the vaccine hoaxers to F off. No democracy or freedumb country can eject the Jew, or suppress growth of a parasitic Oligarchy.

    • Replies: @turtle
  221. turtle says:

    children’s cartoons where oil is depicted as coming from dinosaur bones.

    Ah, fresh squeezed dinosaur bones. Nothing like ’em.

    Wouldn’t surprise me to see cartoons depicting electricity oozing out of wall plugs, somewhat like molasses, from a huge electron vat built into the wall. When the electron level reads low on the sight gauge, you call up the guy with the Big Ol’ Truck® to top off the electron tanks inside your walls.

  222. @mulga mumblebrain

    CO2 is poisonous you cretin, at high enough concentrations (see the Lake Nyos tragedy). At lower concentrations, starting from c.1000 ppm it begins to affect cognition-your excuse I suppose.

    This actually gives me an idea.

    Someone should setup a 1000 ppm greenhouse at a fair and see how many libertarians want to sit in it.

  223. Mefobills says:
    @nokangaroos

    The new blade batteries still have lithium.

    It is also Iron and Phosphorous. So, all the minerals are abundant, and hence there will likely be no supply constraints.

    https://topelectricsuv.com/news/byd/byd-blade-battery-update/

    The energy density is lower for this chemistry, relative to say a 2170 battery used in a Tesla.

    What is going to happen when Chinese manufacturers flood western “free markets” with superior electric cars, that have only few parts, and don’t need oil changes, and as much servicing etc.

    China doesn’t have free markets. The government has low cost loans or grants for start up companies, and then said companies are given plenty of space to develop and compete in the Chinese market.

    After a champion emerges, the laggards may be pruned, and their original loans forgiven.

    The champions then go on to export.

    https://electrek.co/2022/05/23/byd-seal-begins-pre-orders-in-china-starting-under-32k-as-a-tesla-model-3-competitor/

    The standard range is 342 miles, while the long range is 435 miles, so they are getting enough performance out of this battery chemistry.

    America was lost in 1912, when privateering banksters and their wall street cronies won the election.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  224. @Mefobills

    With all due respect, Mefo – I´m always enlightened by your economic insight –
    but listening to the blind discuss color is positively … grating.

    How did the methane on Titan get there?

    There are four Weltenbausteine – think of them as God´s LEGO blocks:
    – Gas (largely H, He, N and traces)
    – Ice (H2O, CO2, NH3, CH4, CO, HCN etc.)
    – Rock (Fe and Mg silicates)
    – Metal (Fe, Ni, Co and traces)
    When the sun ignited, the first two were driven out of the Inner Solar System
    i.e. the Earth´s bulk composition is roughly that of an enstatite chondrite,
    very depleted in volatiles.
    Titan formed in the “snowstorm zone” where the volatiles condensed.
    Hydrogen and carbon are abundant and the tetraeder configuration is stable
    so of course it is everywhere … just not here.
    Organic carbon has been isotopically distinct from inorganic for at least 3.8Ga
    and there have not been “abiotic” hydrocarbons on a palpable scale for at least 2.8
    (the attribution of the negative peak at 2.8 to methanogenics is not “settled”; it
    may have been a mass die-off).
    Indeed it is harder to explain why we have water but I´m rather grateful for it
    (and the oxygen 😉 ).

    There was water found, very deep, in the Kola superdeep borehole.

    It is hard to grok for most people that to scale the Earth´s crust is about as thick
    as an apple´s peel; the Kola Superdeep was abandoned at 12km or less than halfway through the upper crust because the rock became ductile (3-500°C at H2O saturation);
    they had bad luck with a higher than expected geothermal gradient.
    Without isotopes, “water” in an ancient continent means nothing
    (The perowskite-spinel transition zone in the upper mantle can theoretically contain more water than is on the surface but that isn´t settled either).

    Keep up the good work 😀 !

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  225. Mefobills says:
    @Sparkon

    You may not appreciate clean, concise writing void of all typographical and spelling errors, but most of us do.

    This is a blog, not a peer reviewed paper intended for publication.

    If you cannot handle the odd typo or misspelling, then you have serious problems.

    Coal comes with its own issues, but I’m not against it, until something better comes along.

    For example, if Quaise is able to drill down deep enough, then game over for both Coal and Nuclear, and likely also Solar Cells.

    Just sack up, admit to yourself that you were being an ass-hole, and don’t do it again. Nobody likes spelling police.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  226. @Anon

    Seems to me it’s all about white flight. Profitable racket, absolutely destructive, too. Hard to have a sense of place, culture, identity, strong families and communities when everybody is on the run. Easy to exploit what amount to internal refugees. There’s more to knowing who you are than skin color or a name.

  227. @anarchyst

    You and I often agree on things, but here I have to differ with you.

    The mass use of the car in America is not the result of many individuals making a choice; it is a result of infrastructure policy. Without the publicly funded infrastructure, interstate highways, etc, and with public alternatives, many who have chosen the car would not have.

    I am half Italian, and my dad is from a small industrial town in the NE of Italy. I would spend my summers there as a kid visiting grandma. My grandparents never owned a car and never needed to. Grandma would bike to the center of town to shop, seeing friends and family along the way, and the men got around in mopeds. It was nice to see this sense of togetherness as a kid in contrast to the loneliness of the car here in the states.

    Anyway, the availability of public transit and/or towns designed for biking/pedestrian travel never prevented anyone in Italy from buying a car. If people wanted, they could live in a rural house up against the Alps and use the highways to get to jobs in the towns. People have options, i.e. freedom, at least in transport decisions.

    Public entities that build highways, incentivize suburban sprawl via zoning decisions, and deprive citizens of public transport options are not giving options, they are depriving people of practical freedom of choice.

    There are some things about Europe that are right.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  228. There is currently enough Natural Gas to last 600+ years, IF all petrol-powered gasoline engines were converted over to NG / LPG.

    My 16 year old Ford is LPG-powered. This is an option we have in Australasia.

    The reason that my 16 year old Ford has the lifespan equal to a 5 year old vehicle is;
    A.) LPG has the same power delivery and anti-knock as 99 octane petrol…
    B.) It burns 99% clean…
    C.) Oil changes are now every 10K as opposed to 5K…
    D.) The cylinders, valves, and spark plugs are no longer subjected to carbon contaminants.
    E.) AND…it’s 98 cents a litre, as opposed to \$3.10 per litre for 98 petrol.

    Some vehicles (taxis, for instance, or fleet vehicles) come ordered as an LPG from the factory.

    I had the Ford converted over for A\$1700 when it had 40K on the odometer, before any serious gasoline and carbon-deposits began to build-up and potentially damage the 6-cylinder Australian-built Barra Engine, which has the highest reliability rating. The LPG fuel tank is thick walled and hardened steel, and has been dropped from 20 stories full of LPG and never split open!

    Converting to LPG with a 99% clean burn rate is what is needed for the interim, even thru powerplant conversions. This would have a very minimal impact with the least disruption to transportation, expense, and fuel availability, and give the maximum in reducing engine maintenance, cost of vehicle operation, and emissions.

    The last time I rode a hydrogen cell vehicle (a metro bus…) it caught fire and was engulfed in 50 seconds!

    We will still need oil for paint, plastics, and pharmaceuticals, but at least in the vehicle world, oil will still be a lubricant only, and NOT a fuel!

  229. @Mefobills

    What is going to happen when Chinese manufacturers flood western “free markets” with superior electric cars, that have only few parts, and don’t need oil changes, and as much servicing etc.

    I remember when similar claims were made about small high milage cars. The Chinese were supposed to flood us with \$7k cars that got 40 mpg.

    EVs are currently backordered. Lithium production will probably be the cap which means people will continue to purchase premium models.

    America was lost in 1912, when privateering banksters and their wall street cronies won the election.

    Well for a country losing that long I live pretty well.

  230. I like cars but i hate other drivers. It’s crazy that we have 110 americans killed every DAY in highway crashes (which the media is paid to call accidents.) It’s all due to speeding and DWI and DWT and other driving crimes but the media has brainwashed the idiot american into accepting it. Imagine if 110 americans were killed every day in plane crashes.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  231. As a side note let me remind everyone that Prohibition had nothing to do with the morality of drinking alcohol . It was enacted because people were running their Ford Model Ts on alcohol instead of gas and John D Rockefeller did not like that.

  232. @(((They))) Live

    You write:

    Please stop making foolish claims about Tesla and EVs, I know far more about the subject than you

    You know jack-shit (as the UR readers have found to their amusement).

  233. @John Johnson

    Ayn Rand was required reading in the U.S. schools in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. The Hidden Hand of Zionism was deeply entrenched in the classrooms even back then!

    To counter that, Vladimir Putin has made it mandatory for all Russian High School students to read ‘The Gulag Archipelago’ by Aleksander Solzhenytsyn, so that the students can recognize the historical patterns and not allow the Zionist-led structure of communism to ever repeat history in Russia ever again.

    Fast forward to now; Donbass Orthodox and Ethnic Russians attacked for over 8 years w/ 14,000 dead in that persecuted region. Over 8 years the pst two Ukrainian Presidents have been Jewish.

    Can you see the pattern re-emerging?? Do you know about the contracts between Nazi Germany and Jewish Palestine in the 1920-40′???

    Compare to the Red Terror, and Solzhenytsyn’s book he wrote prior to his death titled ‘200 Years Together’ documenting the Khazarian Zionist / Jewish destruction of Russia in stages! That book, BTW is banned in a number of Zionist-influence countries at this time!

    When the Governors of the Donbass Region had had enough of the Ukrainian genocidal attacks, sniping at civilians, torture of ethnic Russians and their children, he turned to Putin for help.

    Before Putin invaded, he gave the Ukrainian and Western Governments every opportunity to abide by the Minks Agreement, which the West arrogantly ignored!

    Now we see the results…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  234. One of the worst things about the auto industry is lack of standardization. That’s why repairs are so expensive. Imagine if there were just a few car models and they all used the same engine and tranny and starter etc. And everything was installed the same way. Then parts would be much much cheaper and anyone could DIY.

  235. Sparkon says:
    @Mefobills

    Just sack up [sic], admit to yourself that you were being an ass-hole, and don’t do it again. Nobody likes spelling police.

    I don’t take orders from you or anyone else.

    I was pointing out your errors in English as a matter of courtesy, as others may profit too, but instead of being grateful, you persist with your childish name calling.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  236. @Joe Levantine

    Electric golf carts are proving to be saver than E-Vehicles.

    In some locales, and gated concentration camp communities known for their ‘Exclusive Residency’ requirements, golf carts are used daily.

    Try driving an EZ-Go golf cart down your street, or a run to a store that is 5 blocks away, and watch the militarized cops chase you down, pepper spray you, beat and then shoot you!!!

    Go to court and get awarded millions of \$’s for copping the abuse, but then watch as the Zionist-controlled system strikes back at you (re ‘The Empire Strikes Back;) by handing down a 5 year sentence for assault on the cops, resisting arrest, etc.

    What a f%^ked-up system, and the American People have ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  237. @Mefobills

    Mofo-Bill chimes in with his two shekels of sarcasm when he writes:

    Free markets can never malfunction, you know because the are free, and are … wait for it, GOD!

    You see, Big Government Statists like the Mofo reject the idea that markets (ie: ALL of us engaging in voluntary exchange without government coercion), should be allowed to function.

    In the Mofo’s Utopian world, everything must be decided by GOVERNMENT EDICT.

    A select Politburo of ‘chosen people’ like himself, Gavin Newsom, Klaus Schwab and voodoo economist Michael Hudson will decide for all of us.
    They will decide, what we drive (assuming we’re allowed to drive at all and not bused around in cattle carts), where we live, what we eat, what carbon footprint is allowable, what quantities of a particular product should be manufactured etc.
    Because, after all, we PROLES are too stupid to work out what’s best for us.

    Only committed Trotskyists like the Mofo and Hudson are capable of outlining the specifics of the next STALINIST FIVE YEAR PLAN that we should embark on.

    You are one dumb Mofo.

    I can see that it’s really getting under your skin that the view count for Michael Hudson’s articles in UR are WELL DOWN since I was banned from commenting there.

    In the days before Hudson’s censorship, readership was up as others in the commentariat looked forward to yet another evisceration of Hudson’s discredited economic philosophies that I’d dish out to him on the regular.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  238. Wild Man says:
    @Zachary Smith

    Upon the current reglaciation/deglaciation dynamic (first leg 85 – 90%, and the 2nd leg, which we are now enjoying, at 10 – 15%, of the overall cycle approximating 100,000 years), atmospheric CO2 crashed dangerously to 180 ppm, during the later stages of the first leg. As well, the proxy data seems to indicate that these crashes in atmospheric CO2 are becoming more severe, upon each subsequent reglaciation/deglaciation cycle (and the glaciation is becoming more severe and much longer lasting …. a switch to much longer cycles with more ice build up, occurring about 800,000 years ago).

    You are freaking about the wrong thing. Milankovitch cyclization is driving this reglaciation/deglaciation dynamic via the ice/snow albedo effects upon the northern hemisphere land masses (Antarctica has been icy and therefore highly reflective, continually, year round, for the 40 million years since its moved over the south pole by way of plate tectonics, as such anchoring the earth in an ice age since then, defined as continual ice at, at least one pole).

    Atmospheric CO2 at less than 180 ppm becomes very problematic for the survival of terrestrial plant life. A mile of ice over the spot that I am now comfortably sitting whilst typing this comment out, is less of a problem, but still a huge problem when there are more than 8,000,000,000 mouths to feed. Without the anthropogenic effects upon climate, it is quite likely the earth would either be already experiencing the trend reversal towards reglaciation within the past 500 years, or alternatively, that could have been as much as 1,500 years in the future (unfortunately, our time resolution on the likelihood of the reglaciation/deglaciation trend reversals, is only about 2,000 years). This is all basic geology (that can be found in a geology textbook, for example).

    Hey I got a novel concept to consider: Maybe God loves us (very good indeed if that is the case, because there sure seem to be alot of human beings that hate humanity).

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  239. Mefobills says:
    @Sparkon

    One of my objectives here is to see if I can ferret out the sociopaths.

    You are on my watch list. Generally a sociopath has to get the last word in. They cannot stand being corrected. I like being corrected when I am wrong on substantive things.

    So, yes. I absolutely allow misspellings and bad punctuation to pass, especially when I type fast. Only very rarely does a sociopathic spelling policeman appear. Self aggrandization feeeels good to you, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Sparkon
  240. turtle says:
    @Mefobills

    Save the Planet!
    Legalize euthanasia NOW!
    Hey, it worked for Sparta, or so I’ve read…

    Meanwhile, in Oklahoma:
    https://www.kbzk.com/news/national/oklahoma-lawmaker-proposes-legislation-that-would-require-mandatory-vasectomies?dic

    Oklahoma Rep. Mickey Dollens took a different approach when it came to abortion legislation by proposing mandatory vasectomies for boys once they hit puberty.

    Paging Major Marvy. Your huevos are ready.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  241. @Rex.Reptilius and J Rod

    Not sure how you connect the two but I despise both Ayn Rand and Putin.

    Both are a couple losers that hate reality and resent the success of Anglo nations.

    I don’t support Rand’s vision for America which includes legal meth and open borders to the third world.

    I also don’t support Putin’s vision for Ukraine which involves bombing White women and children so he can play Tsar Conqueror before he dies.

    Before Putin invaded, he gave the Ukrainian and Western Governments every opportunity to abide by the Minks Agreement, which the West arrogantly ignored!

    Actually there was no ultimatum and they severed diplomatic ties with Kiev. Putin thought he would be able to kill Zelensky and wouldn’t talk to him.
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/tell-him-i-will-thrash-them-putin-rejects-handwritten-bid-for-peace-from-zelenskyy

    • Replies: @Anon
  242. Josh Acid says:

    I like having a car. However, I do think the USA could do a lot better with mass transit. There’s no high speed rail. A more effective mass transit would change the way a lot of people live. But they pulled the Covid hoax and discouraged mass transportation again. Car sales went up so people could be allowed to breathe on their way to work. Now they are focused on electric, and eventually self-driving cars.

  243. The supposed ‘american’ car corporations have always been a con, a monopoly con. Why aren’t there five hundred ‘car companies’. Because it’s a monopoly con. People are morons more concerned with reproducing and sucking whatever comes from a plastic box or fraudulent mind twisting ‘newz’ papers from cabalists.

    ‘gm’ ‘jeff immelt and obama’ laughing over those ‘shovel ready jobs’ – search video it’s still there. The cons pushed that con to hand their cabalist buds trillions fake ‘money’ to snap up ‘foreclosed’ houses making people homeless – ‘vulture funds’ –to then ‘sell’ to mass immigrants. People sat, assuming ‘going along’ would keep their phony ‘house value’. Wrong.

    ‘cash for clunkers’ so dummies ‘sold’ their cars to ‘buy’ one with spyware. Dupes went along with all of it. Except those of us who protested including occupy.

    Everyone else sat. That is what to know about ‘gm’ and the rest. The push of mono transportation is deserved and what is going to be done because people are too lazy to fight for their lives including stopping others from reproducing as we’re pushed over a cliff by cons claiming to be ‘goverment’ or ‘lawyers’. Same thing. There will be drone trucks on the road. Hopefully they’re run over stupid people who sat during the ‘bailouts’. People who don’t make effort on freedom don’t deserve it.

  244. @Jon Chance

    You wrote:

    Wind energy is the lowest-cost source of electricity

    What hallucinogenic drugs are you imbibing to be saying that ? The cost to produce electricity from the bird chopping wind turbines is FAR GREATER per kWh generated than from coal powered energy.

    If wind generated power was lower than from coal, WHY does it and solar need HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in subsidies from government/consumers by way of jacking up the cost of fossil fuel generated energy ?

    You also wrote:

    Here’s a new 7.2 MW wind turbine:

    https://www.vestas.com/en/products/enventus-platform/V172-7-2-MW

    Better still, seeing as your sources are obviously affiliated with the rabid Climate zealots who have been peddling disinfo about the viability of Green energy, here is what REALLY happens to those hideous wind turbines after a few years:

    Next, the problem of disposing of the wind turbine blades after these things fall apart or stop functioning (1 min video):

    • Replies: @Jon Chance
  245. @Larry Romanoff

    For every alleged Elmer Fudd there have been 10,000 socialist and globalist shills. What’s your point?
    Your article was trash and based largely on laughable conjecture, BTW. You were programmed well.

  246. @IronForge

    Enjoy your Cali subways, with all the druggies, homeless, gang bangers and white haters. Just don’t complain when you get mugged or worse.

    • Troll: IronForge
  247. @bike-anarkist

    Enjoy your PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (who uses all caps on words like that?). It will be especially fun in an age of mass inflation, food shortages and a disarmed populace. Maybe you can use a toy gun when surrounded by a group of drug-fueled, hate-filled thugs, gangbangers or rioters. You can at least pretend you’re Bernard Goetz. You’ll probably be charged for a hate crime, though, even for pulling a fake gun when you’re beaten into a vegetable state.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  248. @Mefobills

    Mofo-Bill, says of the Libertarians:

    …. they are so self righteous in their circular logic, that it defies belief.

    So, who exactly are some of these high profile Libertarians that the Mofo speaks about ?

    In the U.S we have the likes of that ‘Living Treasure’ Dr Ron Paul, Senator Rand Paul and Congressman Thomas Massie.
    They are superb on foreign policy and issues relating to civil liberties. They are among the most economically literate present and ex-politicians in the history of the republic.

    These are QUALITY people judged by any metric you like.

    Meanwhile, who are the Big Government Statists that the Mofo idolises ?

    In the past they would’ve been the likes of Leon Trotsky or Enver Hoxha of Albania, with their GOVERNMENT BY DECREE Five year plans and such.

    In the present era the Mofo likes Klaus Schwab and that pretend economist Michael Hudson.

    Let’s face it, there is NO ONE OF SUBSTANCE advocating for Mofo’s failed policy prescriptions.
    Like the Mofo himself, they’re all LOSERS.

  249. @anarchyst

    There is more abiotic oil than “fossil” fuel in the whole solar system, probably hundreds of times more.

  250. @Mevashir

    You wrote:

    When I am walking in town or on a bus I look at the cars with their one or two occupants and think of them as four-wheeled motorised metallic coffins, isolating the drivers from interacting with anyone around them. It’s the perfect symbol for our sick and dysfunctional society

    Exactly what I was thinking.

    After all, whenever I’m on public transport, I always walk up and down the aisle of the bus or train I’m on and start fraternising with people and making lifelong friends.

    Occasionally someone gets out their Ghetto Blaster or piano accordion for musical accompaniment and soon enough everyone on the carriage of the train is dancing with one another.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  251. Malla says:
    @Alrenous

    Yes, the British lost money on India.

    The Output from India and most non White colonies was not enough for their maintenance in a modern state with post Industrial Revolution amenities. This was also because the taxation on non White colonies was very low. Most of those non White masses in India or Africa were already poor before European conquests and mentality of majority of people was not up to mark for an industrial society yet the demands were of a modern society.
    The same problem exists today in most Third World countries, they either are strongly influenced by strong pre-Industrial revolution feudal mentalities or on the other hand get influenced by Marxism and the more poisonous Cultural marxism from the West, which leads to failure. It is their natural racial tendency to make such choices.

  252. @Mevashir

    You wrote:

    Socialism can aim for much higher ideals and the common good. I like to say that socialists see money as a means to serve the people while capitalists see people as a means to amass money. Truly an evil satanic and vulgar ideology

    Yes, yes I see your point.

    In the 130 or so years leading up to WWI when the U.S practised the closest thing the world has ever seen to unfettered Free Market Capitalism and became the most FREE, most wealthy society the planet had ever known, where even those from the lower classes could aspire to (and regularly did) become fabulously wealthy as they were lifted out of grinding poverty.
    Achieved through hard work and reward for their entrepreneurial efforts, all of those outcomes were truly ‘satanic and vulgar and should be shunned by us all.

    Whereas the Socialist stronghold of Albania under Enver Hoxha or Mozambique’s Marxist regime under Samora Machel up until the mid 80’s, these were truly a paradise on Earth.

    Ohhhhh those glory days of Albania. How I pine for their return.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  253. Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, I’ve never heard of him before, but his credentials sound solid enough, so I’ll put it on my reading list. I don’t have strong feelings on the issue (though I always thought general pollution, particularly plastic is a far more immediate problem) though I’ve generally assumed ‘Global Warming’ must have at least some firm basis, as I just can’t see a lot of strong motives for so many governments buying into this narrative.

    That is, if you don’t buy into Klaus Schwaub/Bilderberg/WEF/Illuminati tier conspiracy theories regarding plans for deliberate mass-depopulation under a one-world transhumanist government, but you don’t seem that excitable.

    Of course there’s a motive in a grant bonzanza for climate/weather-scientists, but they hardly strike me as a group with the power to pressure governments around the world. The only other plausible explanation that comes to mind is ‘Global Warming’ as an American stick to stymie industrialisation of potential rivals, but such long term strategic thinking doesn’t seem credible given how essential American input was in China’s rise.

    If the basis for Global Warming is so weak, why haven’t major oil-producing countries a mass of literature refuting it? Though in fairness I can’t think of any major exporter with a strong local scientific sector to do so except Russia, which has been seriously hollowed out and continues to do so. Though perhaps the answer is simply revealed preferences show that most of the world doesn’t believe in Global Warming (I can only think of Germany making serious real sacrificies to it), so there’s no threat.
    But then why bother with massive propaganda effort?

    Attributing what has become a virtual religion to millions to simple scientific incompetence just seems incredible to me. Then again, there is this LGBTQ nonsense that seems to afflict educated people in particular.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  254. @Mefobills

    Mofo writes:

    What is going to happen when Chinese manufacturers flood western “free markets” with superior electric cars, that have only few parts, and don’t need oil changes, and as much servicing etc.

    That’s analogous to saying:
    ‘ When is Joe Biden going to deliver a brilliant oratorical performance [without the aid of a teleprompter] of a speech that he himself composed ?’

    There will be no ‘flooding’ of western markets with EV’s.

    EV’s are outrageously expensive and, to the extent they aren’t even more expensive is due to the subsidies received from government using revenue collected from taxes on fossil fuel derived energy.

    If any large nation* was ever stupid enough to decree that 20% or more of the cars on the road were EV’s, a critical threshold would be reached whereby there were not be enough ICE vehicles around (and the revenue thereby derived from them due to fuel taxes), to be able to fund the EV parasite.

    (*Yes I know that little Norway with a small population has a high proportion of EV’s mandated and already on the road but, with it’s huge Sovereign Wealth fund to back it up and windfall profits [both derived from North Sea Oil], it can afford to do some dumb things and still maintain a buffer of solvency).
    Other nations do not have that luxury and will have to face up to the hard realities.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  255. @Hang All Text Drivers

    You wrote:

    It’s crazy that we have 110 Americans killed every DAY in highway crashes …..[ and] ….. Imagine if 110 Americans were killed every day in plane crashes

    What if we imagine that FIVE HUNDRED Americans were dying EACH DAY as a result of adverse effects due to mRNA gene therapies that masqueraded as Covid vaccines.

    Well, you don’t have to imagine. That’s what happened in 2021 as an estimated 150,000 – 200,000 Americans dropped dead soon after taking the toxic clot shots.

  256. @Pure Blood Deplorable

    That can happen when you’re driving too, and already is: in car parks, at traffic lights, drive bys, in shopping malls you drove to, schools you drove your kids to, workplace you drive to every day … When SHTF it’ll just get worse.

  257. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    Relax, dingbat. Vegetarians needn’t install turbines on their lawns.

    You are a counterfeit Libertarian, Mr TV, like the other so-called “Austrians” (global corporate-socialist Jews). Why don’t you find a productive job?

    As sailors have known for millennia, offshore wind energy is a practically unlimited resource. And it’s been well-known since the 1970s that wind energy is utimately the lowest-cost source of electricity:

    The inventions that impound solar energy through sun‐reflecting or lensing devices are fascinating to the imagination but relatively insignificant in potential. In fact, they work only few hours daily when the sun is at a favorable angle.

    Even if half of Arizona were turned into a direct‐sunlight‐energy‐converting mechanism, the production would be negligible in comparison with windpower sources.

    Wind power is in a class by itself as the greatest terrestrial medium for harvesting, harnessing and conserving solar energy. The water and air waves circulating around our planet are unsurpassed energy accumulators whose captured energy may be used to generate electrical, pneumatic and hydraulic power systems.

    Windmills produce power from the sun‐generated differentials of heat, which are the source of all wind, with far greater efficiency than do attempts to focus and store direct solar radiation. But the most comprehensive consideration regarding wind power is not technological. Rather it is an appreciation that wind power is by far the most efficient way to recapture solar power.

    In the first place, three‐quarters of the earth is covered with water, and the remaining quarter is land area consisting largely of desert, ice and mountains. Only about 10 per cent of our planet’s area has terrain suitable to cultivation, in which vegetation can impound the sun’s radiation by photo. synthesis.

    Among the solar‐energy impounders in vegetation, none can match corn’s performance. Corn converts and stores as recoverable energy 25 per cent of the received ultraviolet radiation, whereas wheat and rice average only 18 to 20 per cent. From these stores of solar energy humans can produce commercial alcohol, or they can leave the energy to the production of fossil fuels in the earth’s crust, which requires millennia.

    But one‐half of the vegetation‐producing area of the earth’s surface is always in the shadow, or night, side, which reduces to 5 per cent the working area of the earth’s surface on which vegetation impounds the sun’s energy. Though theoretically 5 per cent of the area can impound energy at any one time, only an average of one per cent of the sun’s energy is actually being converted because of local weather conditions and infrared and other energy‐radiation interferences.

    The area of the surface of a sphere is exactly four times the area of the sphere’s great‐circle disk, as produced by a plane cutting through the center of the sphere. The surface of a hemisphere is, then, twice the area of the sphere’s great‐circle plane. When we look at the “full” moon, we are looking at a surface twice the area of the seemingly flat, circular disk in the sky.

    All of the earth’s energy comes from the stars, but primarily from the star sun, as radiation or as inter‐astrogravitational pull. Twenty‐four hours a day the sun is drenching the outside of the hemisphere of the cloud‐islanded atmosphere’s 100‐million‐square-mile surface area, which is twice that of the disk of the earth’s profile.

    This gives us one billion cubic miles on the sunny side and one billion cubic miles on the shadow side. The atmospheric mass is kinetically accelerated in the hemisphere constantly saturated by the sun, while simultaneously the atmospheric kinetics in the night hemisphere are decelerated.

    All around the earth, yesterday’s sun impoundments perturbate the atmosphere by thermal columns rising from the oceans and lands. The shadow side consists of one billion cubic miles of contracting atmosphere, while the one billion cubic miles on the sunny side is sum‐totally expanding. This rotation of the earth brings about myriad of high‐low atmospheric differentials and world‐around semi‐vacuumized drafts, which produce the terrestrial turbulence we speak of as the weather.

    The combined two billion cubic miles of continual atmospheric kinetics converts the solar energy into wind power. Wind power is sun power at its greatest, by better than 99 to 1.

    All biological life on planet earth regenerated by star energy, and overwhelmingly by the sun’s radiation. The sun radiates omnidirectionally 92 million miles away from earth, with only two‐billionths of its total radiation impinging upon earth. The radiation arrives at a rate of two calories of energy per each square centimeter of earth’s sun‐side hemispherical surface per each minute of time. About half of that is reflected back omnidirectionally to the universe. The other half, i.e., one calorie per minute per square centimeter, is impounded by our planet’s biosphere in ways making them available to human use.

    No matter how dubious one may be of such logical realizations of our potentials, the fact remains that our net receipt and impoundment of cosmic energy amounts to 168 quintillion horsepower a minute, which can also be stated as 125 quintillion kilowatts a minute, which, with 525,600 minutes a year amounts to 66 septillion kilowatts a year. This is 66 x 1024 kilowatts, eleven ‐ billionfold the world’s present 5 x 106 kilowatt production of electric‐energy power.

    If all humanity enjoyed 1973’s “highest” living standards—that of the United States—each human on earth would consume 200,000 (2 x 105) calories day.

    Assuming five billion (5 x 107) humans by A.D. 2000, each consuming 2 x 105 calories daily, we will need 1 x 1015 calories a day, while our actual daily terrestrial income of cosmic energy is 72 x 1020 calories.

    Our planet’s usable daily energy income is therefore 72 x 105, or seven millionfold our daily requirements of A.D. 2000.

    R. Buckminster Fuller

    https://www.nytimes.com/1974/01/17/archives/energy-through-wind-power.html

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDVQ932i7NF2JGm3GFB2mJCuLOTo1_xpC

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  258. @Mefobills

    Mofo writes:

    One of my objectives here is to see if I can ferret out the sociopaths

    Well that seems not to have worked – seeing as you’re STILL HERE.

    Mofo goes on to say disingenuously:

    I like being corrected when I am wrong on substantive things

    You’ve been wrong on ALL the substantive things which I continually correct you on – and not a word of thanks has been forthcoming my way.

    You are such an ingrate.

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  259. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mevashir

    It says more about you.

  260. @Truth Vigilante

    ALL technologies, bar nuclear power, have shown a tendency to reduce the price of their product, over time, as mass production cranks up, as work-shop experience grows, as technology advances and as supply lines are consolidated. Just like solar PV, once expensive, now the cheapest form of electricity production, EVs will reduce in price. Why do you make such a show of your stupidity. Something’s wrong in your head. Are you trying to impress someone?

    • Agree: Mefobills
  261. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Are the sane, rational defenders of Life on Earth the same people who prop up the masses?

  262. @Yevardian

    Christ, what transparent ignorance. Before you read Koonin’s tripe, read a few of the reviews of his book by scientists, where he is ripped to shreds. As for which countries ‘believe’ the fact of climate disruption, there are these things called COPs, Conferences of the Parties to the UN Climate Treaty, the latest, COP26, in Glasgow, and every country on Earth is represented, and NONE deny the science. A few, like Austfailia, regularly sabotage proceedings, but only while hypocritically affirming the science.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @Ron Unz
  263. @Truth Vigilante

    Market Power is money power. Markets only act efficiently and fairly when wealth is evenly distributed, but THAT is the last thing that greedy, misanthropic, xenophobic, libertilian scum want. They are INSATIABLY greedy and live to steal from others, then crow about how clever they are.

  264. @Rex.Reptilius and J Rod

    The great Nicholas Tesla almost lost his life for innocently proposing an new energy order based on capturing electricity from the stratosphere since we live in an electric world as evidenced by the frequent occurrences of lightning. Tesla barely made it with his life but the FBI entered his laboratory and confiscated all of his files which are currently the basis of the weather control technology used by HAARP in Alaska. Not only the USG weaponises its greatest asset, the USD, which is the goose that lays the golden egg and allows the profligate ways of the American behemoth, but it also weaponises the weather against external and internal enemies alike like small American farmers who get inundated by rain or totally ruined by drought. But we shall not engage in conspiracy theories. After all America is still the land of the free, such as free media, free choice to vote, free choice to abort…

    And back to Tesla whose life after this criminal incident was reduced to total irrelevance. Moral of the little history lesson: you don’t screw around with the livelihood of the PTB.

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  265. JR Foley says:
    @interesting

    Whatever happened to American Motors —-???

  266. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mevashir

    Resorting to violence/lies/manipulation etc is not the basest instincts of people (i.e. something collectivists/central planners has a habit of)?

    What are much higher ideals?

    What is the common good specifically?

    I thought socialists saw money as a means to serve themselves while controlling/defrauding others.

    Capitalists as in people who believe in private property, freedom of association/-choice, free trade, price mechanism in a free market etc? I.e. people who create value in voluntary/mutually beneficial arrangements with other people?

    Just because one has the means to defend onself, doesn’t mean one purports the use of force.

  267. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    What superior products orginate in China (i.e. including the developement/design etc)?

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  268. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Legal meth = the unscrupulous criminals doesn’t have a monopoly on production/distribution of drugs?

    How do you imagine open borders to the third world playing out under Objectivism?

  269. Yevardian says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Calm down. You’re not speaking to a ‘heretic’, I merely expressed doubt. Judging from your comments, I doubt you have a scientific background yourself, let alone in climate science, so you’re just as if not as ignorant as I am on the topic. You might have noticed that I expressed the fact that practically every country in the world at least pays lip-service to the theory of Global Warming makes me lean towards thinking it’s more likely to be correct than not. I can’t think of a compelling cui bono argument for it being a conspiracy either.

    But even if that’s the case, I personally think plastic waste constitutes a more serious long-term problem. The earth’s climate has changed many times in the past, phenomena like microplastics reaching as far as the Mariana Trench is totally novel. But you don’t hear anything like the same screaming about it from the media, or much or a push to ban plastic. More productive to build solar-plants in Germany.

  270. @Jon Chance

    A lot of words in that response of yours – but we’re none the wiser at the end of it.

    You just went off on an unintelligible tangent.
    You write:

    As sailors have known for millennia, offshore wind energy is a practically unlimited resource. And it’s been well-known since the 1970s that wind energy is ultimately the lowest-cost source of electricity

    Well yes, wind energy is practically an unlimited resource.
    Similarly, salt water in the oceans is available in abundance.

    BUT HOW DOES LOTS OF SOMETHING EQUATE TO VIABLE LOW COST ENERGY PRODUCTION ?

    I mean, there’s lots of raw sewage in the world. So, ispo facto [according to your logic], it must therefore also be a low cost source of energy.

    Why don’t you invent a technology that can power your car with raw sewage ?
    That way, if your car runs out of fuel, you can just pull over to the kerb, drop your pants and DEFECATE IN THE FUEL TANK.
    That will be good for another 100km of travel if you’ve done a manly dump.

    If, as you claim, wind energy is the LOWEST COST source of energy, why don’t you get some venture capitalists to fund you and arrange for an IPO listing on the NASDAQ ?

    If what you say is true, we need never use fossil fuels for electricity generation for all eternity.
    You stand to make TRILLIONS.

    Bottom Line: Of course I’m being sarcastic. No one is going to fund your scatter brained idea.
    The cost of wind energy in cents per kWh is MULTIPLES of that derived from 24/7 base load reliable coal fired power plants.

    You are one dumb-fuck ‘Chance’. Check your figures before you make pie-in-the-sky assertions – lest you end up like Mulga Mumbler (who gets all his facts and figures from the Extinction Rebellion eco-loons).

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  271. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Larry Romanoff

    It would be hard for GM to be less capitalist.

    If they weren’t government-funded they would have run out of money trying to buy tram lines they did not intent to use, and then a genuinely capitalist company would have been able to buy them all back at fire-sale prices.

    Have to externalize the internalities. Public costs, private profit. That’s Fascism, not Capitalism.

  272. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Wild Man

    You saying that spontaneous youthful wanderlust was engineered

    No, he’s not saying that.

    This sort of thinking occurs due to a failure of abstract thinking. “I wandered due to a car, therefore if you took away the car, I would be unable to wander.” They get anchored to specific concrete personal events.

    This eludes them: American suburbs are specifically designed to make anyone without a car feel trapped.
    Emphasis on “feel.” You can in fact get out using a bicycle. Faster, even, since you don’t need a license nor to work multiple jobs. Maybe mow a few lawns and you’re good. The trips take longer, sure, but not entire work-weeks longer.
    It just makes you feel trapped, and thus it never occurs to Americans to try to escape in the first place. Except in the Officially Approved manner, of course. Land of the free, everybody.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  273. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You’re a regular Sammy Davis Jr

  274. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    And that’s why we see so many African and Native American billionaires living the life here in the Unconscious States of Awareness.

    The allegedly free and wealthy society you so admire was obtained via a government that utilized its military to confiscate land from people, that broke treaties whenever it suited their purposes, and that granted the railroads the greatest monopolistic powers ever seen in human history.

  275. anarchyst says:
    @Mario Partisan

    I appreciate your insight, but not all of us are the same.
    I like my wide open spaces and acreage and would NEVER live in a city or urban environment.
    I don’t want to live in an apartment (packed like sardines) and do OWN my own spread of land and house.
    As another poster noted, European cities were built before the advent of automobiles and other mass transit. When all you had was travel by foot, horse and wagon, it was necessary for cities to have everything close by. As to public transportation funding, at least here in the USA, it is a money-loser and is most often subsidized by the communities themselves. Even Amtrak, the USA passenger rail system is heavily subsidized.
    When it comes to real estate, the American dream is to have a house with a large back yard and other amenities. This is in contrast to Europe where home ownership is not as prized, most people renting out of necessity. The nearest equivalency to the European system here in the USA is that of New York City, where most people do not own their residences and pay exorbitant rents to some fat shylock landlord. In New York City, most people do not own anything of real value. Home ownership in New York city is priced out of reach for most residents.
    The automobile has been the greatest achievement in promoting FREEDOM by allowing for mobility whenever, and wherever one wants. THIS, in itself is the most important aspect of personal transportation. Such FREEDOM is not available with mass transit. The ability to travel without being impeded by time schedules and location is a big plus for most of us.
    Regards,

  276. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    The people who came to America during the period that you extol were generally social misfits and malcontents. People from the underclasses who couldn’t fit in with the establishment back in Europe. People who were welcomed here to serve as low class low wage laborers for the capitalist elites.

    The only exception to this were the Jews who were the most intelligent and had the highest potential of all immigrants. America is a place of social misfits. Because of its ethnic and religious diversity, there is no social contract and everyone distrusts everyone else. This is the perfect environment for Jews to operate in and flourish because their whole religion is based on enmity towards the other.

    The freedom and wealth that you so admire was produced because America is the ideal Judaic society. Saying that masses of Americans were free and prosperous is like the rhetoric describing ancient Greece as the world’s first democracy, when in fact 80% of its residents were slaves devoid of any rights whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  277. anarchyst says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t hate people. Not at all.
    I appreciate having the ability to go where I want when I want, not being dependent on someone else’s time schedule.
    I appreciate the ability to be a part of the American Dream by owning my land and residence where I choose to live.
    It’s called FREEDOM.
    You might want to give it a try…if you can comprehend such a subject.

  278. @anarchyst

    Look man, I’ve lived all sorts of ways. I sure do appreciate country living, farms, and all that, but given my age I now prefer small town living where everything is within walking distance. In my youth I loved big cities but can’t stand them any more. Country living on a farm is best when you have a big family and your children who work on the farm will inherit it and the farming business – unfortunately things did not work out for me that way.

  279. @Joe Levantine

    So you think that taxi running over Nikola Tesla on a New York Street six years before his death wasn’t accidental but intentional?

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  280. @Mevashir

    You write:

    The freedom and wealth that you so admire was produced because America is the ideal Judaic society.

    The foundations for America’s wealth were established BEFORE the influx of any significant numbers of Judaic immigrants.
    They came because they could see there was money to be made in this new land.
    To the extent that America still prospered thereafter for many decades, this occurred DESPITE the presence of the parasite.

    Of course said parasite could not leave well enough alone and became insatiably avaricious – hence the explanation for why the host is now dying.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  281. Ron Unz says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Christ, what transparent ignorance. Before you read Koonin’s tripe, read a few of the reviews of his book by scientists, where he is ripped to shreds.

    I just read the Koonin book a couple of days ago, so could you point me to a couple of the negative reviews that you consider most effective?

    I’ve been friendly for years with Steve Hsu, who’s a very solid theoretical physicist, and his strong support for Koonin certainly counts for a lot in my eyes.

    According to Koonin’s account, he’d spent several years working on “mitigating” the Global Warming disaster before he started to question whether it really existed, and was very surprised at what he discovered when he investigated the underlying data. He also says that he’d certainly have been fired if he’d publicly disclosed his views at the time, which perhaps explains why few other scientists come forward.

    The book’s very short and took me less than a day to read, so you really might want to take a look at it yourself.

  282. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You have a point. Has it occurred to you that the rich and powerful will purchase the instruments of political power to lock in their privilege and keep others out? I’ve seen studies that say there’s less socioeconomic mobility in the United States today than in Europe. You seem to believe the only people who are incapable of evil are the rich. I don’t think there’s any serious thinker who would agree with you apart maybe from Ayn Rand that vile Jewish atheist.

    You also make the mistake of assuming a political system can resist the corrupting influence of bribes and blackmail. The two most corrupt groups in America today, the Jews and the Catholics, have completely dominated the society. The Jews have the money and the Catholics the instruments of political and judicial power. That’s why seven of nine Supreme Court injustices are Catholic.

    I would say that any system that manages to generate a lot of wealth is doomed to devolve into an oligarchy. That’s what you don’t want to admit. The essential nature of the rich is to selfishly seek their own interests and to lock in their privileges. They accomplish this by subverting the political system.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  283. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @anarchyst

    If you’re like most Americans you don’t actually own anything apart from a whole bunch of debt. Most Americans are mortgaged to their eyeballs. They don’t own land their home or their car. Even their education has been purchased by debt. Most Americans are simply slaves of the banking system. There’s not much reason to assume you are any different despite your boasting.

  284. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I don’t want to be too snarky with you. Because you sound like a really interesting person. I agree with many of your ideas. But you remind me of my right wing Christian friends in the US who I think are well-meaning but naive dupes for the billionaire class.

    For example, I have a friend who’s Australian. His parents were both Anglo blue bloods and his father was a world war II military hero. My friend met an American tourist in Australia and followed her back to the States and married her 50 years ago. It didn’t last for too long. My friend worked as a salesman for agricultural machinery, which his father invented back in Australia, and then worked for many years as a river guide. He also is a professional surfer. But currently he’s got myriad terrible health problems and if it weren’t for Medicare and Social Security he’d be 6 feet under. And yet even though he’s a great beneficiary of American socialism, he constantly rails against the left. It’s like he can’t even see himself in the mirror.

    I think any successful economic system almost inevitably will be subverted by the most clever who will purchase control of politicians and judges and change the rules to lock in their privilege and keep everyone else out. I’m surprised this hasn’t happened in China. It seems that the Chinese have a much greater sense of social contract (IE socialism) than we in the West with our narcissistic notions of rampant individualism. I think we all will be fortunate if the Chinese take over the world and allow us to function as their vassals.

    You remind me of someone who watches a person hurl a rock into the air. You exclaim “Look how high that rock went.” You don’t want to admit that it will follow the arc of a parabola and fall back to the ground. You’re fixated on a period of American history when the rock was at the apex of the parabolic curve. And then you close your eyes and pretend that same Rock was not destined inevitably to plummet back to earth.

    Moral philosophers teach that the rich are uniquely prone to corruption because absolute power corrupts absolutely. So the wealthier and more successful people become in a political system the more corrupt they will become and the more they will seek to entrench their power and privilege at the expense of everyone else. I don’t know if the Jews are so different from anyone else. They might just be more clever at gaming the system.

  285. Wild Man says:
    @Alrenous

    This is what Mr. Romanoff said in comment #167, that I was responding to:

    “The American people were for generations complimented on their individualism, adventuresome spirit and their love of freedom and independence – and for the choices they believed they made but that had been made for them by others.

    Here as in no other market is it so true that the capitalists were selling “not so much products as emotion itself, psychologically linking the act of purchasing an automobile to falsely-manufactured feelings of confidence, freedom, happiness, empowerment and independence, tying the very self-identity of Americans to the purchase of an automobile.””

    Romanoff is implying that, my natural human masculine drive for spontaneous youthful wanderlust was engineered, Edward-Bernays-style (i.e. – “falsely-manufactured feelings”). Otherwise, as a young fella, why did I want the car?, goes Romanoff’s argument, … implying there is no other logical or existential reason, and so it must be I was manipulated into wanting that car. See, …. that is a half-assed and very sloppy argument, because it assumes there are no other possible cogent reasons to consider, for me wanting that car, other than that I was emotionally manipulated into wanting it.

    Then, how come, when a young Chinese man, emigrates to Canada, …. they want the same thing I wanted (access to a very good mode for the expression of spontaneous youthful wanderlust)? But alas, I suppose your argument would be that the Chinese youth of today have all been exposed to the corrupting influence of western media, to at least some degree, and so they have been manipulated too. Well, ….. was that the case in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, in China? Yet a young Chinese man, emigrating from China to Canada, in that era, still wanted access to a very good mode for the expression of spontaneous youthful wanderlust, once he saw what was available that way here, just like I did. Mmmmm?

    OK, …. that is some evidence for ‘spontaneous youthful wanderlust’ as being innate. Is there any other evidence for ‘spontaneous youthful wanderlust’ being innate? Why sure there is. Loads and loads of evidence. Just look at humanity’s historical record. There was always ‘spontaneous youthful wanderlust’. That is why humans exist in almost every nook and cranny of this vast planet. At first the mode of expression was walking. But what happened when we domesticated wild horses? An explosion of the expression of ‘spontaneous youthful wanderlust’, because a new and better mode of expression was now available and therefore muchly desired.

    Take another example … the one you mentioned … the bicycle. As an 8-15 year old, ….. looking around as to what was available in my environment to better express my innate drive for ‘spontaneous youthful wanderlust’, since I didn’t have a license yet, …… it was the bicycle, as it exponentially expanded the range of where I could reach on foot. I don’t think the television was telling me to do that (or the culture for that matter). No, …. the adults did not like it for the youngsters to explore too far afield (but we just rode off on our bikes and did it anyways). Look …. that movie ‘Stand By Me’ is about this boyish thirst for adventure. It’s innate. The boys can’t help they are like that. They are just like that. And these boys grow up to be men, and retain that thirst for adventure. It’s just the way it is. Pretending humans aren’t like that is stupid.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
  286. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    I just read the Koonin book a couple of days ago, so could you point me to a couple of the negative reviews that you consider most effective?

    Mr Unz: I did some quick research for you:

    POSITIVE REVIEW:

    https://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?id=1669
    https://www.independent.org/aboutus/person_detail.asp?id=980
    https://economics.wfu.edu/faculty-and-staff/robert-m-whaples
    [email protected]

    NEGATIVE REVIEWS:

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04052021/dissecting-unsettled-a-skeptical-physicists-book-about-climate-science/[email protected]

    https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/05/a-critical-review-of-steven-koonins-unsettled/
    https://www.unm.edu/~mbeb/home.html
    [email protected]

    I would normally ignore a book by a non-climate scientist promising “the truth about climate science that you aren’t getting elsewhere.” Such language is a red flag. But I’ve known the author of “Unsettled” since I took his quantum mechanics course as a Ph.D. student at Caltech in the 1970s. He’s smart and I like him, so I’m inclined to give his book a chance.

    But smart scientists aren’t always right, and nice guys are still prone to biases – especially if they listen to the wrong people. In an apparent quest for fairness when he led a committee of the American Physical Society (one of my professional organizations) to assess its statement on climate change, he recruited three scientists to represent the 97% consensus, and three contrarians, presumably to speak for the other 3%. The lack of proportionate representation amplified the contrary opinions that he heard, and only in one direction. He completely ignored another, equally unfounded, contrary view. The position sometimes referred to as “doomism” (the belief that the worst-case is inevitable and it is too late to prevent it) was not represented.

    The three contrarians had a long and well-documented history of engaging in ad hominem attacks on mainstream climate scientists and misrepresenting their work. Most of the technical mistakes and misrepresentations in “Unsettled” may simply be attributable to Koonin’s trust of those advisors and lack of rigorous independent verification.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-book-manages-to-get-climate-science-badly-wrong/
    https://www.wesleyan.edu/academics/faculty/gyohe/profile.html
    [email protected]

    Steven Koonin, a former undersecretary for science of the Department of Energy in the Obama administration, but more recently considered for an advisory post to Scott Pruitt when he was administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has published a new book. Released on May 4 and entitled Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters, its major theme is that the science about the Earth’s climate is anything but settled. He argues that pundits and politicians and most of the population who feel otherwise are victims of what he has publicly called “consensus science.”

    Koonin is wrong on both counts. The science is stronger than ever around findings that speak to the likelihood and consequences of climate impacts, and has been growing stronger for decades. In the early days of research, the uncertainty was wide; but with each subsequent step that uncertainty has narrowed or become better understood. This is how science works, and in the case of climate, the early indications detected and attributed in the 1980s and 1990s, have come true, over and over again and sooner than anticipated.

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2021/08/15/book-review-unsettled-what-climate-science-tells-us-what-it-doesnt-and-why-it-matters-by-steve-koonin/
    https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/profile/bob-ward/
    [email protected]

    In Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters, Steve Koonin sets out his scepticism about the science of climate change, arguing that increasing global temperatures could be down to natural variability rather than human activities. Bob Ward finds that the book is not a robust guide to the subject and is based on a number of inaccurate and misleading claims, flawed studies, and cherrypicked information.

  287. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Mevashir

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2021/08/15/book-review-unsettled-what-climate-science-tells-us-what-it-doesnt-and-why-it-matters-by-steve-koonin/

    Readers would do well to see crankyuncle.com for information about logical fallacies used by climate change deniers.

    Mark Boslough is a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. He has served on the Executive Committee of the American Physical Society Topical Group on the Physics of Climate and created, convened, and for several years chaired American Geophysical Union sessions on “Uncertainty Quantification and its Application to Climate Change.”

    —–>

    The Cranky Uncle game uses cartoons and critical thinking to fight misinformation. The game was developed by Monash University scientist John Cook, in collaboration with creative agency Goodbeast. The game is now available for free on iPhone and Android.
    https://crankyuncle.com/
    https://research.monash.edu/en/persons/john-cook
    [email protected]

  288. Mefobills says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You also are a sociopath, and I have pointed it out to you many times.

    You were banned by Hudson for that very reason.

    Reverse projection is another characteristic of malformed people.

    This is why free dumb is dangerous, because so many people are sick. They have Hubris, or may be Sociopaths cloaking their ill intentions.

    We can brain scan now and there are “tells” to ferret out your type.

  289. Mefobills says:
    @Anon

    Their auto industry is making leaps and bounds. China learns from Western experts and climbs the knowledge curve.

    Munroe and associates have discussed this subject and you can avail yourself of their YouTube videos.

    But, then…it is more satisfying to cling to comfortable shibboleths rather than noticing reality.

    • Replies: @Jon Chance
  290. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    When you take a break from snorting coke, Mr TV, please read what I posted and think for thirty seconds before you fart again. Then examine the full costs of coal power vs the full costs of renewables in nations like Austria, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

    https://ourworldindata.org/renewable-energy

    What are the full costs of extracting, distributing, and burning coal and other hydrocarbons? (I’m not even referring to alleged costs of anthropogenic climate change.)

    Who pays these mind-numbing “external” costs?

    https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2010.05890.x

    https://skepticalscience.com/true-cost-of-coal-power.html

    Why would I reinvent the wind turbine when Vestas, Siemens, GE, and many other companies are already manufacturing excellent systems that produce the lowest-cost electricity in the world?

    VWDRY

    Yes, let’s remove all subsidies — especially those for highly polluting resources like coal, petroleum, and uranium.

    https://jpchance.wordpress.com

  291. Wild Man says:
    @Mevashir

    The biggest problem with those that take the negative view to Koonin’s contention that ‘the science about the Earth’s climate is anything but settled’, is that they all use the geological proxy data, for past climate and atmospheric CO2 levels, to populate their models with ‘data-based-assumptions’, without even considering the theoretical scientific thesis, of the geologists, who first uncovered all this proxy data. Pretty damn disrespectful, obfuscatory, and just plain nuts.

    The theoretical scientific thesis, of the geologists, who first uncovered all this proxy data (as can be found in any good geology textbook) is that which I wrote in comment #239 above.

    It is ludicrous that those that take the negative view of Koonin’s contention that ‘the science about the Earth’s climate is anything but settled’, can claim that, when it is precisely themselves, who misuse data.

    It’s one of the most ancient of games … the good ole shell game (look here, not there). How can any climate change scientist worth his/her salt, discount imminent (relatively speaking) reglaciation, with its inherent catastrophic effects upon terrestrial life? What gives here? Look – a Katherine Hayhoe is low on the intelligence and high on the feelz, … and so it is easy to see that she is manipulating because she herself has been manipulated (and is too dumb to recognize this, …. and to give herself cover, she contends that she is not that kind of climate scientist, but instead the kind that just talks about the effects of the supposedly well-proven ‘models’). But what of the others in the ‘the climate change science is settled’ crowd? Not all of them can be imposters (by way of incompetence) upon the Academy like Hayhoe. So what gives? There is an ulterior agenda (i.e – purposeful imposters upon the Academy exist as well).

    Also, the one book reviewer you mentioned that still is going with the ‘97%/3% of climate scientists’ faux-argument, as a haymaking point, ….. is so misinformed as to be incompetent in their own right, as to pretending (probably to themselves) that they are informed enough to write anything at all cogent about this topic. The 97%/3% argument was purposely ill-defined, from the get-go, as is meant to deceive.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  292. Sparkon says:
    @Mefobills

    One of my objectives here is to see if I can ferret out the sociopaths.

    You are on my watch list. Generally a sociopath has to get the last word in. They cannot stand being corrected. I like being corrected when I am wrong on substantive things.

    You mean substantive things like the difference between 0 and O?

    Sorry to dash your delusions, slick, but you’re the one who made the mistakes, and you haven’t corrected me on anything.

    All your justifications and rationalizations can’t cover up your mistakes, which I’ve been kind enough to point out, if not for your benefit, then at least for other people who read here, and it’s entertaining to watch you wriggle.

    And now you’ve gone beyond mere name-calling, and have started to make wild accusations, all in your vain attempt to save face.

    And your watch list? Hardy har har. You are at least good for a laugh.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Mefobills
  293. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo and others have been making superb PHEVs (plug-in hybrid electric vehicles) for many years.

    But why would anyone in America notice?

  294. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @Goonty

    To Larry and his anti-human ilk, you are the enemy. Bet you even have an I-Love-Jesus sticker on your bumper (the ultimate marker of a deplorable, per Larry).

    These urban bugs haven’t been anywhere in America or done anything. They are flat ignorant of how you and most of America works, loves, and makes a life. Nor do they care one bit; for of what value is fact in the face of the Grand Theory (GT)? They know only their fellow bugs, GT, and Manhattan or its overseas equivalent. And these ideologically arrogant ignoramuses are certain that you don’t need a car because, after all, the nightclub is just around the corner, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  295. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Wild Man

    I can hardly understand your terminology. I admit that the American scientific community doesn’t have a very good reputation after it rubber stamped or acquiesced to the government coverup about the 9/11 attacks. Organizations like NIST are odious. But I always assumed the Deep State leaned on them and their Federal funding was threatened if they didn’t go along with the myth. I don’t see how that concern would come into play regarding climate change. I’ve read that the Pentagon is actively planning for rising seas and climate instability. It seems to me those guys are deadly serious about their priorities. What ulterior motive could they have to fortify their naval bases and other installations? Thanks

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Wild Man
  296. Sparkon says:
    @Biff

    Pound for pound an electric motor produces way more torque and horsepower than the million moving parts of an ICE.

    I hope that was hyperbole, or intentional exaggeration for comical effect, as most sources I’ve found give the number of moving parts in the drivetrain of an ICE as around 2,000, or about 1/500th of one million.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  297. @Commentator Mike

    I have no knowledge of this incident but I would not be surprised if it was no accident. But then who would bother to assassinate a totally broken man who once used to spend twenty hours a day experimenting in applied physics in his lab before the first attempt on his life and who was then reduced to living in a room in a shoddy hotel spending most of his time gambling. His passion to real scientific knowledge, as opposed to theoretical physics of the Einstein type, gave him no time whatsoever to have any intimate relationship with a woman admitting that he had never laid a hand on one.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  298. @Sparkon

    Yes-he should have said a ‘zillion’ for clarity.

  299. @Jon Chance

    JC (may I call you Lord?)if you bring mere ‘facts’ to a dispute with a Dunning-Kruger epsilon like TV, you will be sadly disappointed. Like all fanatics, TV has his dreams from which he constructs his sect’s paradise (Keats is rolling!). A paradise of Groupthink idiocy, but one in which all the inhabitants grunt in perfect harmony. The water will be at his throat and he’ll be grunting, ‘Communists, socialists, Leftists, blah, blah, gurgle, gurgle..’.

  300. @Mevashir

    ‘Doomism’ is realism given the facts. I became a doomer c.2000 when it became plain to any fool (but I’m not ANY fool, I assure you-my motto, ‘per ardua ad nostrum’ says it all)that the most ‘pessimistic’ IPCC prognostications were hilariously inaccurate by being not sufficiently ‘extreme’.
    I also realised about then that the Evil ghouls of the denialist industry and their sub-moronic followers would NEVER concede and would lie, distort, misrepresent and slander to the bitter end. I also formed the opinion that many of them were Death-worshippers who wanted to destroy Life on Earth, for various spiritual and psychopathological reasons. I’m pretty confident that I was and am correct, or very nearly so.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  301. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    According to Wikipedia the expression should read: Per aspera ad astra

    Is your version a recognized alternative? As in toil to get the answer?

    It sounds like the Latin version of ARBEIT MACHT FREI

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  302. @Ron Unz

    You write:

    The book [Koonin’s] is very short and took me less than a day to read, so you really might want to take a look at it yourself.

    You’re exactly right Ron.

    Mulga Mumblebrain is such a hard core zealot, that he won’t even entertain the idea that the propaganda relayed to him by the Extinction Rebellion Eco-Loons could possibly be wrong.

    If Mulga was sincere in his pursuit of the truth, he’d do likewise in looking at the output of Princeton Professor William Happer, Emeritus Prof Tim Ball, Greenpeace co-founder Dr Patrick Moore, MIT Emeritus Prof William Lindzen (world’s leading Atmospheric Physicist at the time of his retirement and the greatest Climate scientist that ever lived).

    Mulga would do well to listen also to an objective and well respected meteorologist and Astrophysicist that has been studying the climate for decades – none other than Piers Corbyn.
    He is the elder brother of ex British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn and is a thoroughly decent and honest man.

    Here’s one of his videos titled ‘Piers Corbyn on climate and CO2 facts ignored by the mainstream media’:

    Note something from the video above that Piers Corbyn says around the 11:45 mark:

    The idea of everyone driving electric vehicles to save the planet is completely INSANE, because an electric car produces about TWICE AS MUCH CO2 per mile as does a diesel or a petrol car.

    Just after the 14:00 mark the host also brings up the issue of EMF’s (Electro Magnetic Fields) that exist inside an Electric car.
    Anyone spending any lengthy amount of time within an EV will be subject to these fields which will have consequences later on.
    (Hint: The increased rate of brain cancer in individuals that hold a mobile phone close to their heads).
    If you want to know more about this, I suggest UR readers look at the book ‘The Invisible Rainbow’ by Arthur Firstenberg.

    The video above is one of twenty two videos of his you can watch on this You Tube channel (refer to side bar on the lower RHS) if you really want to get up to speed on the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax without being inundated with technical jargon.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  303. @Mevashir

    You write:

    Has it occurred to you that the rich and powerful will purchase the instruments of political power to lock in their privilege and keep others out?

    Has it occurred to you that the progeny of those great tycoons that accumulate large fortunes rarely have business acumen remotely as good as the patriarch that founded the dynasty ?
    Said progeny almost invariably SQUANDER that wealth within a generation or two.

    Case in Point: John Paul Getty was alleged to have been the richest man in the world in the 1970’s but the family fortune has been whittled away for the most part as of 2022.

    Now, you might counter by saying the family dynasties of the Rothschild, the Schiffs, Warburgs and Sassoons etc are intact and in fact have greatly added to their wealth.

    However, what you neglect to factor in is that this ONLY OCCURRED BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT.

    As government expanded and became ever more powerful, the oligarchs used corrupt politicians to enact laws and regulatory requirements that:

    1) Prevented new entrants from taking their market share
    2) Introduced tariffs, import duties, quotas and outright prohibitions to protect them against foreign producers, on the pretext that it protected local jobs (when in effect all it did was enable the continued existence of a zombie business that produced inferior products on the market resulting in overpriced/low quality products for American consumers.
    3) Helped maintain monopoly or quasi-monopolies for said oligarchs.

    So, seeing as there will ALWAYS be corrupt oligarchs that want to be shielded from competition in an unfettered Free Market and there will always be corrupt politicians that can be compromised to do the bidding of the oligarchs, THE ONLY WAY OUT is to drastically LIMIT THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT, to eliminate entire government departments, to drastically cut funding to those that remain and LIMIT the powers that they have.

    Bear in mind also that, as good as a particular business is and as good as its patriarch is in business matters, in a dynamic free market capitalist system said leader of yesteryear is soon replaced by someone who is MORE EFFICIENT, has a better business model, that is faster to bring to market a new technology.

    For example, the General Electric Corporation was the largest company in the world measured by market capitalisation at the turn of the century.
    Today it is a hollowed out husk.

    Similarly, in the 1990’s Nokia Corporation had the lion share of the world mobile phone market and had the best products.
    Today, it is a shadow of its former self.

    Bottom Line: In an unfettered Free Market Capitalist system, the oligarchs and dynastic families come and go as new entrants outdo them.
    To the extent that some families have maintained their wealth (eg: Rothschilds and other Jewish family dynasties), is due the fact the GOVERNMENTS in western nations sold off their central banks to said Zionist Usury Banking Cartel and, as a consequence, said Zio cabal can print/digitally create USD, Euros, GBP etc, to their hearts content and dole it out amongst themselves.

    Most UR readers are awake to this but for those of you that are still in a coma, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS is to take away control of the western central banks from this parasite.

    Failure to do so will entail:

    1) Endless War (most of which are in pursuit of hegemony of the Apartheid Israeli state)
    2) More phony pandemics and the totalitarian measures (lockdowns, mask and vaxx mandates etc), that accompany them.
    3) More conjured up global crises like the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax
    4) More tyranny that will IMPOVERISH us, restrict movement, surveille us and ultimately euthanase and DEPOPULATE us.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  304. @Mevashir

    The great schism in the human psyche divides those who see others, human and non-human, living, dead and yet unborn, as friends or enemies. There is your really existing ‘Left’ vs ‘Right’ fracture.

  305. @Ron Unz

    It comes down to the now almost perennial question-does the lone dissenter (a ‘former’ BP apparatchik)really know more about the situation than tens of thousands of climate and other scientists, or are these people all engaged in a gigantic conspiracy, to mysterious ends? That he has ONE ally, Hsu, from a different field, really does not lessen the conundrum. I think you will find that a majority of ‘theoretical physicists’ will disagree with Hsu, as well. This really is, as the US National Academy of Science said, ‘settled science’. Still tentative and falsifiable like all real science, but, as Koonin’s critics point out, ever more confirmed by research and observations from reality.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  306. @anarchyst

    Your poisonously narcissitic egotism was never better described. It’s all about ME!

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  307. @Mevashir

    You wrote:

    It seems that the Chinese have a much greater sense of social contract (IE socialism) than we in the West with our narcissistic notions of rampant individualism. I think we all will be fortunate if the Chinese take over the world and allow us to function as their vassals

    .

    I would much rather that the Chinese took over the world and that those in my country (I’m Australian) be vassals to them rather than the present situation – where we have prostrated ourselves the most genocidal, most depraved rulers in all of human history.
    I of course refer to the Anglo-Zionist empire.

    However, we are NOT headed for a unipolar world. China’s rise will continue for many years but, like Japan in the early 1990’s, it will hit a brick wall and growth will flatten out – and likely stagnate, as it becomes evident that there are not enough RESOURCES in the world to give most Chinese a first world standard of living.

    Now then, you’re thinking, which country with a smallish (in relative terms) population but the most abundant resource base on the planet, will rise to become the SUPER HEGEMON of the latter half of the 21st century.
    Of course that is none other than Russia.

    It is already apparent now as the Russian Ruble surges to reflect the TRUE WORTH of the commodities and resources that Russia supplies the planet and this will only become more so as the Ruble and Chinese yuan are pegged to gold in the coming years.

    So, the immediate future is for a Sino-Russian joint hegemon to rule the planet and I am more than comfortable with that.
    Thereafter, and especially into the 22nd century, Russia will be the standout nation.
    I suggest you get your grandchildren to learn some Cyrillic because, with improvements in longevity, kids born today will quite possibly live to be 120 years old – taking them to the year 2142.

    Anyway, getting back to the first bit of your statement above, you have got it arse backwards.

    We saw what socialism did under Chairman Mao in the period 1949-1976. ie: an unmitigated disaster.

    Then along comes Deng Xiaoping and said it’s OK to get rich.
    He unleashed a bottled up TIDAL WAVE of Chinese entrepreneurialism that has made China what it is today.
    The country may be run by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party), but it is communist in NAME ONLY.

    Chinese businessman are subject to the most minimal regulatory requirements, they have the LOWEST TAXES (personal and corporate), the Chinese government as a percentage of GDP is FAR SMALLER and LESS PARASITIC then its western counterparts.

    Make no mistake: China is a CAPITALIST COUNTRY and that is why it is the industrial behemoth that it is today.
    To the extent that there are still some hard core communists in the party and they insist that countless billions are squandered in propping up inefficient and loss making SOE’s (State Owned Enterprises), China is still powering ahead DESPITE these Socialist initiatives that DISSIPATE WEALTH.
    The productive CAPITALISTIC private sector of China is more than productive enough to compensate for the money squandering of the socialists.

    Meanwhile, America recently had a President like Donald J Chump who was, at least on paper, a Republican.

    In reality he was the King of the RINO’s (Republicans in name only).
    Chump was ALWAYS aligned and sympathised with Democrats all his life.

    His Presidency was a Democrats wet dream come true.
    NEVER in the history of the republic was this magnitude of reckless spending, money creation by the Fed, growth in budget deficits witnessed than under this Socialist.

    Hence the explanation for America’s current predicament.
    That’s why the U.S is going down for the count.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  308. @Mevashir

    Oh dear ‘Song Dynasty’, don’t tell me you’ve actually fallen for the Anthropogenic Global Warming scam ?

    Let’s put things in some perspective.

    Just like the Covid Psyop, the Zio cabal have a LOT OF TIME, MONEY & ENERGY invested in the Anthropogenic Global Warming fraud, going back many decades.

    So, whenever someone comes up with irrefutable proof of the hoax, they will instantly go into DAMAGE CONTROL MODE.

    They will use all their resources (the western MSM, bought-and-paid-for present and ex-politicians and high profile celebrities – like Al Gore and Leonardo De CRAP-rio), to do things like:

    1) Demonise and mock said dissenting voice and make them out to be a kook
    2) Publish a TON of rebuttals (from corrupt ‘scientist’s that they own). and the dumbed-down masses will assume that, since there were 10 or 20 rebuttals for every claim that Global Warning is bunk, then by weight of the former, then that must be true.

    ‘Song Dynasty’, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMPREHENSION OF THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL of the Zio cabal ??
    These degenerates have multiples of U.S GDP at their disposal.

    If you did, you’d know that they will (and continually do):

    1) Spend WHATEVER it takes to bribe, intimidate, threaten the necessary people in the appropriate places to reinforce a particular message for the unthinking proletariat.

    Importantly, they don’t even have to do undertake the measures above in most instances.
    That’s because, over a long period of time, the Zio cabal has MANOEUVRED THEIR OWN COMPROMISED YES-MEN & WOMEN INTO THESE POSITIONS OF POWER – be it in government, academia, the health bureaucracies or wherever.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  309. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Mevashir

    The Nazis said ARBEIT MACHT FREI

    but Jesus would say WAHRHEIT MACHT FREI

  310. Ron Unz says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    It comes down to the now almost perennial question-does the lone dissenter (a ‘former’ BP apparatchik)really know more about the situation than tens of thousands of climate and other scientists, or are these people all engaged in a gigantic conspiracy, to mysterious ends? That he has ONE ally, Hsu, from a different field, really does not lessen the conundrum.

    Not really. The glowing blurbs and supportive acknowledgements in his book include dozens of additional scientists, and Koonin himself is reasonably described as one of America’s most distinguished scientific figures, given his decades at Caltech, including as Provost, and his status as the top scientist in the Obama Administration. The reason I mentioned Steve Hsu is that I personally know him and regard him as a very solid guy, so his endorsement carries a great deal of weight with me.

    As I’d recounted in my own 2012 column, I’d first become suspicious of Global Warming after reading the Counterpunch columns of Alexander Cockburn, one of America’s leading radical journalists, who (surprisingly) claimed that Global Warming was just nonsense and mentioned all the leading scientists who took that position. I also mentioned that NYT profile of Freeman Dyson, one of the world’s leading physicists, which characterized him as a “climate heretic.”

    https://www.unz.com/runz/two-cheers-for-heresy-on-global-warming/

    By Koonin’s account, the main fault lies with the MSM, which presents an extremely distorted account of the science, and intimidates scientists into keeping quiet. The same MSM problems are true in many, many other areas, so this certainly seems plausible to me.

    Doesn’t it make you a little suspicious that one of the biggest backers of Global Warming was the Enron Corporation, until it collapsed in a gigantic financial fraud?

    Koonin’s book is quite short, so why not spend a few dollars and read it for yourself. It’s even free as an Audible book on Amazon.

    • Disagree: Mevashir
    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Alrenous
  311. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You obviously have thought a lot about this and know a lot more about it than I do. Based on my personal experiences, I think that Asians and particularly Chinese are smarter and more talented than Russians. They work harder and they have a more ancient and dignified culture. Their cuisine is infinitely superior. For that reason alone I would hope their culture dominates the planet rather than the Russians.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  312. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I have not fallen for anything. I don’t have a dog in the fight. But it seems clear that ocean levels are rising and polar ice is melting. I don’t know how you can explain that away.

    As far as renewables versus fossil fuels versus nuclear I have no idea what the priority should be. I think all of them have advantages and disadvantages. I have not delved into the complex scientific discussions because I won’t have a voice in setting national policy anyway.

    I personally consume very little in the way of energy. My monthly utility bill is about \$15. I have not used my oven in 5 years. I only cook rarely on the stove top. I never turn on my apartment’s air conditioner. I take the bus and walk. I never gly.I’ve done my part to reduce my carbon footprint. As far as I’m concerned, if everyone lived at my level of frugality our climate crisis would be over. I’m not responsible for the choices others make and I can’t influence them either. I’m at peace with my own lifestyle and I will let God take care of the rest of the world. Amen

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  313. @Jon Chance

    Jon-takes-his-chances by propagating this nonsense:

    Yes, let’s remove all subsidies — especially those for highly polluting resources like coal, petroleum, and uranium.

    The fossil fuel industry receives NO SUBSIDIES.
    There is NO TAXPAYER MONEY (or central bank digitally created funny-money) that is going towards propping up the fossil fuel industry.

    The taxes on fossil fuel consumption SUBSIDISE OTHER INDUSTRIES and Big Government in general.

    The rabid Climate zealots continue peddling the BALD FACE LIE that the fossil fuel industry gets ‘subsidies’.
    What I’m going to say applies to the U.S but is also true for ALL other western nations to varying degrees.

    Some time ago, some left leaning administration jacked up the taxes on the fossil fuel industry, over and above the exorbitant rates they were already paying.
    Needless to say, this resulted in a slowdown in economic growth that threatened societal stability so the excessive tax burden was removed and brought down to the original rate, or thereabouts.

    This ‘reduction’ in the degree of exploitation (which amounted to billions over the years), was called a ‘SUBSIDY’ by the rabid ec0-loons when all it was from the get go, was a reduction in the degree that said industry was overtaxed.

    When the word ‘subsidy’ is used by the Climate alarmists, it is invariably Orwellian Double-speak and bears no resemblance to its meaning as used in polite society.

    As for the asinine assertion that coal is a ‘highly polluting’ resource, it is producing CO2 which the climate alarmists are calling a pollutant.
    To the extent that some particulate matter is produced by the coal fired power stations, something like 99.9% of said particulates are captured by Scrubbers and do not find their way into the atmosphere:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubber

    Once again for the dummies.

    When you see those pictures of cities like Beijing or Mexico City or anywhere where visibility is limited due to smog, pollution, particulate emissions etc, the amount of that visible pollution due to CO2 is ZERO.

    That’s because CO2, the gas of life, the essential component in the photosynthesis process that is presently GREENING THE EARTH and massively increasing agricultural crop yields per hectare of arable land, is:

    COLOURLESS, ODOURLESS, TASTELESS and 100% non-toxic.

    So please Mr/Ms Chance, stop peddling these DEMONSTRABLE LIES about CO2.

    What credibility you had here in UR, and admittedly is wasn’t much, is fast evaporating.

    I’ll leave everyone with these wise words from the sage Bill Bonner:

    Green/Renewable energy owes its existence on government SUBSIDIES (obtained by jacking up the price of fossil fuels), making alternative fuels appear ‘competitive’.

    All this does is raise energy prices for everyone, reduce economic growth and make the world POORER, COLDER and DARKER.

  314. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    Your friend Cockburn was one of the biggest apologists for the coverup of 9/11 truth and a major impediment to revealing the truth about that sinister false flag attack. He also was a blatant apologist for the Zionist power establishment. Based on that how can you call him a radical?

    I regard Cockburn and Putin as the two most dangerous enemies of the 9/11 truth movement, because both of them had the potential to blow the lid off of the coverup but chose to remain silent. Even though I used to read Counterpunch and found many of Cockburn’s articles valuable, once he took a derisive stance against the 9/11 truth movement I completely abandoned him. And I came to see him as an extremely dangerous enemy of the truth. For that reason I was glad when he died unexpectedly and I’m also glad that Putin reportedly is heading in the same direction. Amen

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  315. @Joe Levantine

    I am not aware of this earlier attempt on Tesla’s life that you mention. Do you have any details or a reference?

    The car accident is mentioned in his Wikipedia biography under the section “Death”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  316. @Mevashir

    You write:

    Organisations like NIST are odious. But I always assumed the Deep State leaned on them and their Federal funding was threatened if they didn’t go along with the myth. I don’t see how that concern would come into play regarding climate change.

    You’re not very imaginative, are you ?

    You’ve worked out that NIST has been compromised by the Zio cabal but somehow, for some reason unbeknownst to us all, you can’t envisage how the HIERARCHIES of the scientific academies and the leading universities (which do NOT reflect the views of the rank and file actual scientists themselves), are [in your mind] somehow exempt of corruption and the likelihood of being compromised.

    What is it that you don’t get about the following statement ?:

    ALL government agencies, ALL scientific research facilities that require Federal Funding, ALL the hierarchies of the leading academic institutions, are OWNED BY THE ZIO CABAL.

    The motive for foisting the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax on us is simple:

    It’s all about POWER and CONTROL.

    By impoverishing us with unaffordable energy bills, they will achieve a ‘two-for’.

    A poorer populace has a lesser financial wherewithal with which to rebel against its government overlords and is MORE DEPENDENT on government welfare to make ends meet – thus reducing the likelihood of insurrection.
    Secondly, it will go a long way towards fulfilling the depopulation agenda as useless eaters (impoverished elderly people more often than not), freeze to death* during the harsh winter weather episodes because they can’t afford to pay their energy bills.

    (*Said deaths from freezing are WELL UP in the last decade or so in Europe, Nth America and elsewhere in comparison to previous decades when fossil fuel derived energy was cheaper and wasn’t artificially inflated because of massive subsidies to Green/renewable sources ).

  317. @Mevashir

    You write:

    I have not fallen for anything

    But then you go on to write:

    I personally consume very little in the way of energy. My monthly utility bill is about \$15. I have not used my oven in 5 years. I only cook rarely on the stove top. I never turn on my apartment’s air conditioner. I take the bus and walk. I never ‘gly’. [I assume you meant ‘fly’]. I’ve done my part to reduce my carbon footprint. As far as I’m concerned, if everyone lived at my level of frugality our climate crisis would be over.

    If you had done only HALF of those things, I would’ve categorised you as someone who fell for the Climate Warming fraud hook, line and sinker.

    What’s wrong with you ? Only a rabid climate zealot like Mulga the Mumbler would go to these extremes. (Are you aware that he doesn’t do any strenuous exercise – lest he breathe out too much CO2.

    Let me repeat: THERE IS NO CLIMATE CRISIS.

    But there is a GOVERNMENTAL RESPONSE CRISIS whereby bought-and-and-paid-for minions of the Zio cabal are undertaking unjustified actions that impoverish us and reduce our quality of life, all for the sake of combatting a NON PROBLEM.

    Summary of my fossil fuel history:

    I’ve a owned a few V8 powered cars in my time but quickly worked out that the Japanese performance vehicles gave you more bang/reliability/handling for the buck.
    To that end I’ve owned more than a few Mazda rotary powered cars like the RX3, RX5, several RX7’s etc.
    And man those things can chew fuel – especially if your engine is bridge ported and running a 48mm downdraft Webber.
    My quarterly electricity bill average out between AUD\$500 and \$600 (deduct a little over a quarter to get the USD equivalent).

    No need to thank me UR readers, for my outsized contribution to GREENING the planet.
    Of course the excess CO2 I’ve produced is contributing to much improved agricultural output and feeding the world.
    It is estimated that the world produces about one-seventh more agri output because CO2 is at 400 ppm than would be the case if we were at 280 ppm as it was in the late 19th century.

    Meanwhile, you write suspect things like this:

    But it seems clear that ocean levels are rising and polar ice is melting

    If you watched Koonin’s video as I did (from the link supplied by Ron Unz), Koonin posts a graph that CLEARLY shows that sea levels have been rising for scores of thousands of years.
    In fact, they were rising precipitously fast at a time when there could have been NO man-made contribution at all, but in recent millennia the rise has TAPERED OFF to the extent that it’s rising by a NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT per year at the present.

    As to the polar ice melting, I suggest you look at this article titled ‘ NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses’:

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

    From the article:

    A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

    The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

    Bear this in mind: The IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) is a POLITICAL body.
    The hierarchy is not comprised of scientists.
    Yes, they selectively pick and choose from fraudulent scientific papers released by corrupt academics on the payroll of the Zio cabal and purposely EXCLUDE data coming from the majority of scientists that show NO DISCERNIBLE reason for climate alarmism.

    You should also look at this from our old mate Nigel Farage on the alleged melting Arctic polar ice cap (watch the first 3 mins of that video):

    Now Mr ‘Song’, pay careful attention to the types of LIES that are being propagated in this world (in ascending order of egregiousness):

    There are lies, DAMN LIES, then there are CLIMATE CHANGE PROPAGANDA fallacies put out by the rabid Climate Alarmists.

    These people have no shame and will say anything, conjure up any fantasy, so long as it achieves their desired end of de-industrialising the planet so we can all go back to a lifestyle as existed prior to the Bronze Age.

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  318. @Mevashir

    I clicked the ‘Agree’ tab in response to your comment # 312 about the Chinese having better cuisine, an ancient culture and working harder than the Russians.

    I don’t agree that their best people are smarter than the best of the Russians. It may possibly be true when averaged out over the whole population (although even that I doubt), but the best Russians are damn smart.

    As for dominating the planet, I don’t mind if the Chinese or the Russians are the dominant society but I lean towards the Russians.
    I suspect your views about Russians are biased based on decades of subliminal (and outright in-your-face) propaganda from the U.S media and Hollywood film industries that have portrayed Russians unfairly.

  319. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:

    I suspect your views about Russians are biased based on decades of subliminal (and outright in-your-face) propaganda from the U.S media and Hollywood film industries that have portrayed Russians unfairly.

    Possibly, but I don’t think Asians have been portrayed particularly well by the film industry either. My feelings are entirely personal. I just don’t like Russian people or Russian culture.

  320. anarchyst says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    That’s right. It is all about ME. It’s all about FREEDOM to make one’s own choices. Unlike you, I am the master of my own existence.
    I feel sorry for you and your ilk…

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  321. Wild Man says:
    @Mevashir

    “I don’t see how that concern would come into play regarding climate change.”

    Not really getting this point of yours. If the American scientific community has been untrustworthy (as populated by imposters upon our precious true-west Academy, …. imposters either by way of incompetence, or by way of malice) in regards to 9/11, as you claim, … why is it so hard to imagine that said community could become untrustworthy on pretty much any topic?

    But at any rate, you make a good point about rising seas. Yes the seas are rising. The seas have been rising for about 15,000 years (since the trend reversal, away from reglaciation, and towards deglaciation), and have risen about 400 feet since then. All the melted land-based ice in the northern latitudes of the northern hemisphere had to go somewhere, and of course it ends up in the oceans. So what? These facts in no way discount the fact, that as long as the Antarctica land mass is positioned over the south pole, the earth is caught in a cyclization of northern latitude ice build-up (the much longer leg of the cycle) followed by a northern latitude ice melt-off (the much shorter leg of the cycle), as under these Antarctic landmass positioning conditions, the entire earth climate system becomes more sensitized to the ice/snow albedo feedback loop effect triggered mainly by the cycle-changes in earth’s orbital tilt (one of the three celestial cycle dynamics featured by way of the Milankovitch cyclization theory, …. and as featured as the most important of the 3, as to upholding the current reglaciation/deglaciation dynamic). Under these conditions (continual high ice albedo effect at the south pole), as the tilt of the earth changes (over 41,000 years), at one point in the cycle (the point we are now in the midst of), ….. the tilt will trend towards less obliqueness until the point that reduced northern hemisphere summertime radiation will begin to allow less summertime melting of land mass covered by the previous winter-season’s snow, and as such, the area of continual snow cover will begin to grow, adding to the overall albedo effect, in a feedback loop operation. This feedback loop operation is not defeated by the corollary of the reduced northern hemisphere summertime radiation due to reduced obliqueness at this point in the cycle, …. which is increased northern hemisphere wintertime radiation, …… snow still falls during the slightly milder winter, and perhaps even more snowfall occurs, due to the slight ‘de-continentalizing’ effect of the milder winter.

    The hubris of the portion of the climate change science community, that maintain that ‘the science is settled’, is that they ignore these large climatic themes as immaterial to their endeavor (though they will deny this, but the proof is in the pudding in this respect, as I will now attempt to show). Look, ….. from the point of view of sorting out our thinking so that is does indeed follow some logic, …. don’t we need to ask?:

    1) Without the human-added atmospheric CO2, when is it likely that the trend reversal toward reglaciation, would have occurred, or will occur?

    2) Given that each added unit of atmospheric CO2, acts to increase the average global surface temperature, but only in a reducively logarithmic way (each additional unit has less and less of an increasing effect), and as well, given the fact that the changes in the secondary variables that affect climate that are themselves affected by changes in atmospheric CO2 (either positively or negatively, as the case may be, for each such individual secondary variable), are also reducively logarithmic (each additional unit change, in either direction of action upon average global surface temperature, has less and less of an effect in that direction, among these secondary variables) ….. it follows that, the proper question to ask, after understanding the answer to question #1, is: When will the trend-reversal featured in #1 above, occur, at 400 ppm of atmospheric CO2?, at 700 ppm?

    OK Song Dynasty …… above is what I worked out (I think it was back in 2019) after taking a keen interest in this topic back at the time (which anyone could have worked out for themselves, …. like all this is only available, like everywhere, in any good geology textbook, for example). Once I figured out what was going on, in this respect, within the climate change science community, in 2019, I realized that the people in the community that maintain the ‘science is settled’ (the ones favored by our government officials and our legacy media, and by these very very weird and seemingly dastardly faux-western globalists), will not touch question #1 with a ten-foot pole. As such, that means, they will never ask question #2. So what gives here? Why are they playing this weird shell game (ignoring prior theories that fit the proxy data they use, much better than their own theories)? Of course, as per the dictates of our precious true-west Academy, ….. such people are charlatans – no? Our true-west scientific methods demand that these charlatans either:

    A) Re-contextualize the proxy data, in a way that discounts the prior theories, if indeed they want to ignore the conclusions of the prior theories

    Or,

    B) If they are unable to do that, then build upon the prior theory, by bringing greater theoretical nuance to the original theoretical backbone.

    But these charlatans (those among the climate change science community that maintain that ‘the science is settled’) do neither, yet still have the gall to ignore the conclusions of the prior theory.

    It is disgusting. This type of thing makes me want to barf. Now, I haven’t looked into the goings-on in this community of charlatans (the climate change scientists and their cronies that maintain ‘the science is settled’), since I got intensely interested in 2019. Maybe they are coming around since then. But I doubt it (given the doubling down on this crazy climate change rhetoric, by the likes of these crazy faux-west globalists, for example).

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  322. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    The purpose of propaganda is not to persuade, but to inform the subject what their government demands they profess to believe.

    Putin could blow the lid off it, yes, but it would be spending political capital to no purpose. The GAE would not be forced to recant; on the contrary, the stronger the counter-evidence, the better the propaganda works. “Look at all these people we can make assent to obvious lies. You thought we were the 800-pound gorilla in the room, but it turns out we’ve reached 900.”

    By the same token Putin could make Russians disavow it, but there’s plenty of necessary friction between Russians and Europeans without additional unnecessary and pointless friction.

  323. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    By the way, warming of 0.7 C should be considered a high estimate for the effect of raising CO2 to 840 ppm.

    At x^-4, doubling the partial pressure gives you 19% more insulation.

    If you look at the emitted radiation graph, you can see only half of the spectrum has any radiation left to block. Probably less, due to water eating a bunch of it. So, pessimistically, 9.5% more insulation.

    Back when they weren’t lying so much, CO2 was estimated to account for about 5% of the total greenhouse effect. 9.5% of 5% => 0.5%.

    Absolute global temperature seems to be 283K. Temperature is actually average kinetic energy, so there’s a square root relationship between total energy increase and temperature increase. Hence, sqrt (283^2 * 1.005%) => 283.7C.

    By 2120, assuming population growth doesn’t continue getting worse, the globe might be 0.7C warmer due to anthropogenic gaseous carbon. Assuming there are no negative feedbacks. Assuming it’s perfectly linear, unlike every other form of insulation.

    Not to mention going up a touch would almost certainly be good, not bad. Historical warm periods were called “optima” because a slightly higher temperature makes it dramatically easier on the economy. (Rather more than makes sense, to be honest.) E.g. one major reason Canada is poorer than America is because it’s colder.

    Finally, temperature has been poorly correlated with CO2 and very highly correlated with variations in insolation. You can test this easily by looking at other planets, which is why Official climate blogs will snow you with cope about other planets to the extent they deign to measure them at all. As soon as it occurs to you that they might be muddying the water, it becomes undeniable.

  324. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Thanks for all the information. I won’t even try to refute everything you have presented. At the end of the day I just don’t care. I don’t own an automobile and I lead a very low-consumption lifestyle. I do this more as a personal preference than out of concern for global warming. I abhor a lot of modern technology, which I think alienates people from their innate desire to live in tribes with a strong social identity. Everything about modern capitalism deprives people of the socialization that they require in order to function as happy people. So I try to be as independent of “the system” as I possibly can.

    In the United States there’s horrific drought all across the Western region. Huge dams are nearly empty and California just started draconian water restrictions. Where I live new housing tracts spring up practically every month and nobody knows where the drinking water will come from to supply these people. The homes seem much bigger than any normal person would require. Everything in America is done on a grotesquely large scale. And it sounds like Australia is similar. At the end of the day we all will occupy a small space six feet under. We might as well get used to the idea and prepare for it here during our limited time on this unhappy planet.

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  325. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I don’t know who Nigel Farage is, but he certainly speaks very confidently and persuasively. But as I have already stated, I live a very minimalist lifestyle and I refuse to get drawn into this whole toxic debate. I accept thst government bureaucrats are often stupid if not malicious. But I don’t have the time or interest to delve into this entire pernicious discussion.

    (I did once notice the following. Despite its liberal agenda the New York Times avidly promotes the American professional sports industry. I did a thumbnail sketch that all of the Major sports leagues are responsible for thousands of airline flights every year delivering team A to compete against team B in another city. The amount of carbon generated from just one airplane is supposed to be enormous and yet the New York Times says nothing about this apparent toxic drag on the environment. Curious. However I do not own a TV and do not follow professional sports. I wouldn’t go to a game if someone gave me a ticket for free. I think it’s all vulgar idolatry.)

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  326. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Wild Man

    Thanks for all of this information. I’m sorry but my scientific acumen in meteorology is not up to comprehending your arguments. But would you agree with the following?

    Rich people have amassed enormous real estate possessions along the coastlines in countries around the world. These properties are now threatened by rising sea levels that have nothing to do with human-caused global warming (according to your argument), but are the result of natural climactic cycles. But the rich people are angry that their investments are about to be trashed and are frantically looking for a scapegoat that they can not only blame but penalize financially to compensate them for their losses.

    Is this a fair assessment of what might be underlying the mentality of the global warming community?

  327. Mefobills says:
    @turtle

    So you are for allowing the dumb and lame to breed?

    That means you are dumb and lame.

    Let’s fill the world up with stupid people, it is evolutionary!

    R breeders will inherit the earth.

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  328. Mefobills says:
    @Sparkon

    You just proovedd my point.

    Sociopath. A future AI will mine your comments and be able to tag you.

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  329. Wild Man says:
    @Mevashir

    I think it is, that the elites with tons of money to blow on ocean front property (like Obama and Bill Gates, each recently purchased), do so, because they know that, though the seas are rising (like they have been for 15,000 years), that won’t affect their investment during the time period they intend to hold that investment.

    The seas are rising for two reasons:

    1) Primarily because we are still within the deglaciation leg of the overall reglaciation/deglaciation approx 100,000 year cycle, as naturally produced, as explained in my other comments in this thread.

    2) Secondarily, because humans have added some CO2 to the atmosphere, which will delay the natural turning point outlined in #1 above.

    There is nothing anybody can do about #1 without even more human intervention (i.e. – doing something like adding reflective particles to the upper atmosphere, meant to deflect away more solar radiation at high altitude, for instance). There is very little we can do about #2 in the short to mid-term, without completely crashing all the world’s economies, causing much hardship and death (though of course, we should work on ensuring that atmospheric CO2 does not permanently rise above, let’s say 700 ppm, for the medium-to-long term time horizons, which according to my back of envelope calculations, seems to be the sweetspot for maintaining a nice warm climate for us earthlings for the next 10,000 years or so, instead of crashing towards catastrophic cooling …. at least for maybe as much as 10,000 years, if we are lucky). I dunno ….. crazy Gates is a proponent of adding reflective particles to the upper atmosphere, meant to deflect more solar radiation at high altitude. He has paid for experiments around that. In the whole scheme of things, it is surprisingly cheap to eventuate a systemic earth cooling in this way. Maybe people like Gates and Obama, are so full of themselves, and so full of human hubris, that they think the faux-west globalization that they both support, will have their back, on their investments, when and if the time comes to protect these ocean-front property investments, by way of this Frankenstein atmospheric seeding technology. If so, that would as funny as all get out, in at least one way. Because both these guys make it out that it is our western human technology that is the source of a coming climate catastrophe ….. yet perhaps they are just massive hypocrites (very very likely to my mind) …… because perhaps both of them, within the personal calculations they make about their own personal investments and such, they may in fact be the very first people that would call for more human climate-affecting technology, to save the day. If it’s that, …. then I got a great big giant f*ck-you, for both Obama and Gates. Don’t piss on me and what I value (true-west Academy), only when it serves your own personal agenda. With leaders like that, who needs enemies – eh?

  330. @Mevashir

    Song, that argument is so poor as to invite scorn. Oceans are rising because of thermal expansion and ice-melt, the latter accelerating in land areas like Greenland and West Antarctica, at a nassty pace. The rich are in a real estate pickle (the rich in Byron Bay want sea-walls built to protect their assets, a losing proposition)because they believed the dumbed down dross of the IPCC Reports that predicted less than one meter rise by 2100, now obviously a gross under-estimate. ‘Natural cycles” is the denialist scum’s last line of defence, one thoroughly refuted by SCIENCE.

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  331. @Mevashir

    You must be careful Song, because TV is a denialist psychopath. His entire narcissistic, Dunning-Krugerite, mentality rests on knowing better than 97% of climate scientists, all the Academies of Science and scientific societies (even the geologists, long a hold-out to protect fossil fuel industry jobs)and even the dumbed down IPCC.
    He says the IPCC is politicised. Indeed it is, but precisely in opposite direction to his ravings. The IPCC Reports have consistently understated the severity of our predicament because they have to seek consensus even with omnicidal regimes like Austfailia and Saudi Arabia, where the ruling ghouls put fossil fuel profits before the lives of their children, and ours, as does TV.
    He quotes added snowfall on Antarctica, but is uninterested in the accelerating ice loss, even in East Antarctic, which was thought to be stable for centuries. He picks and chooses having a little mind and much arrogance. The process of added precipitation, as snow, over Antarctica was long predicted, because anthropogenic climate destabilisation has added so much energy to the Earth system by capturing re-radiated heat, and storing 90% in the oceans (thereby ensuring millennia of climate disruption)that climate processes have been destabilised and exaggerated.
    One such is the hydrological cycle, with 8% extra water vapour (a greenhouse gas, therefore a positive feedback to worse climate instability)in the atmosphere for every one degree Celsius rise in global average temperatures. Hence the increased snow-fall, and the record deluges and floods seen from Germany to Lismore and Brisbane. And that process is only just starting, and is, as I said, a positive feedback. And in place of all this reality, the poor, sordid, buffoon relies on Nigel Farage, a blowhard far Right English politician. If the fate of humanity was not at risk (already lost I imagine)you’d laugh yourself sick.

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  332. @anarchyst

    Yep- ‘Everything for ME and nothing for anyone else’, the ‘vile maxim’ of the rulers of mankind as Adam Smith said. But I doubt that you are any sort of ruler, just another Life-hating, Rightwing, psychopath, whose answer to the problems of existence is to cram as much in your craw as you can manage, and shit on the rest, so that your enemy, other people, get nothing.

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  333. anarchyst says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Your name-calling exposes you as someone who has not been successful in life and are bitter about it. It was probably that useless college degree that you wasted your time getting.
    Your communist roots are showing.
    I WORKED for everything I have. I owe NO ONE any explanation or excuse for anything. If “other people” don’t get anything, it is their own fault because they have not WORKED for it.
    Look up “the tragedy of the commons” to see how that worked out…

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  334. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    What about Wild Man? He seems to be on the same page as TV. Or do you think TV is more dangerous?

    As a student of history I am appalled at the brutality and wickedness of human beings. I think the world will be much better off if we all perish due to catastrophic climate change. Do you think that the Earth’s ecological system will be able to restore itself once humans are gone or will we become a runaway wasteland like Mars or Venus?

    (I’ve been hoping that Putin would take things nuclear to put mankind out of our collective misery. But it appears that Russia’s billionaires who apparently own Putin enjoy the good life too much to risk nuclear armageddon. Too bad.)

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  335. Wild Man says:

    “As a student of history I am appalled at the brutality and wickedness of human beings. I think the world will be much better off if we all perish due to catastrophic climate change. Do you think that the Earth’s ecological system will be able to restore itself once humans are gone or will we become a runaway wasteland like Mars or Venus?”

    A couple of things, before I respond to the above quoted passage of your comment. I don’t think the seas will rise by more than one meter by 2100 (probably less than that). But otherwise, Mulga has got it right as far as climate change being a multi-variant problem. Vary atmospheric CO2, and that affects a host of other variables, secondary to varying the level of atmospheric CO2, that are all sensitive to this change (sometime in complicated ways, like, for instance, added atmospheric CO2 increases average global surface temperature, which in turn increases the water vapor content of the atmosphere, which in turn affects climate, in two directions; one warming, because water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas; and one cooling because more atmospheric water vapor will tend to increase average cloud cover).

    [MORE]
    The primary effect, if you will, in this narrower discussion (ignoring the overriding theme of deglaciation/reglaciation for the moment), borrowing concepts from the climate change science community (i.e. – some within this field correctly label the atmospheric CO2 variable, as the ‘primary variable’ within the narrower discussion, because it is the variable that currently is most amiable to variance, by way of human actions, …. but note that, there are many charlatans within the field, that then go on to misconstrue this ‘primary variable’ definition, to mean: ‘atmospheric CO2 is, inherently, the thermostat among all of the earth system variables that affect climate, under study’, ….. which is just bonkers, ….. any one of the other variables could be labelled as such as well given a different set of circumstances as to how humans interact with the climate systems, meaning that actually, the ‘thermostatic control’ is embedded in the matrix of the multivariant interaction) is this:

    Each doubling of atmospheric CO2 increases the average global surface temperature by 1.0 C (a reducively logarithmic association). Add to that the secondary effects I alluded to above (of which there are many). These variables, also operate in a reducively logarithmic way, but in both directions, (just like a huge number of physical processes found within pretty much any physical system under study). As well, all these variables interact with each other, causing changes amongst the other variables upon experiencing a change themselves, and all of these interactions also operate in said reducively logarithmic way. Think this through in terms of mathematical abstraction: This means the the earth climate system is hugely biased towards homeostasis. OK, ….. I hope you are with me so far, …. placing a conceptual homeostatic abstraction upon the earth climate system (because our proxy data imposes, mathematically, this, as an apparent abstract structure within the physical reality of earth’s geophysics), really gives me pause, when I heard some of the climate change models developed over the past 30 years, call for the summation of all the secondary variables (secondary to atmospheric CO2), to be larger than the primary effect. Now, given the homeostatic abstract structure revealed by the nature of the multivariant interactions among climate change variables (i.e. – the nature of the multivariant interactions among climate change variables is: reducively logarithmic), ….. it is highly highly likely that the secondary effects, in summation, are not more than the primary effect. So, when these climate change models over the past 30 years, almost all featured the summation of all the secondary effects, to be more than 1.0 C. for each doubling of atmospheric CO2, ….. at first I was puzzled by that, but then I realized that the onus is not on me to disprove that it cannot be more the 1.0 C. for the summation of the secondary effects, as long as everyone agrees that the earth’s climate sub-systems interact in a way that is hugely biased towards homeostasis (and I can’t see how anyone could disagree with this obvious facts of the data), …. no, the onus is on the climate change modelers that feature this ‘bug’ in their matrix of modeling-assumptions/modeling-algorithms, ….. they need to show it is not a ‘bug’, when by the facts of all these variables within the multivariant interactional dynamic, converging upon an abstract structure of homeostasis, is an overriding theme. How does their model allow for some escape from this overriding theme? As far as I can tell, these rogue-modelers (which is most of them) don’t put in the work to answer this question, probably because they are too dumb (or otherwise compromised by perverse incentives) to realize, that by some of their own assumptions, the multivariant interactional dynamic of the earth’s climate sub-systems actually do converge upon a huge bias towards homeostasis.

    Look ….. I am in the ‘science is not yet settled’ crowd. The biggest source of errors within the climate change science community is by way of the rogue-modelers, using a summation of the effects upon the secondary variables, for each doubling of atmospheric CO2, of more than 1.0 C. It is pretty easy to see, that let’s say at double the primary effect, for the summation of all the secondary effects, of let’s say 2.0 C (which seems to be the modeling-sweetspot quoted by the IPCC, thus resulting in a total of 3.0 C increase for each doubling of atmospheric CO2 according to these rogue-sweetspot-models…. i.e. – 1.0 C primary effect + 2.0 C for summation of all the secondary effects = 3.0 C. increase for each doubling of atmospheric CO2), ….. that a climate system homeostasis (which said homeostasis is something that is amply observed) could and would quickly spin out of control, in chaotic fashion … against the nature of the homeostatic abstract structure, …. which is something we do not observe. These rogue-modelers (either the IPCC’s sweetspot variety, or the radical versions predicting huge secondary effects, like the kind the it seems Mulga must favor, by way of his doom and gloom rhetoric) have some explaining to do. But the Academy is now arranged, on this topic, in such a way, that they don’t have to explain anything, along these lines. Absolutely crazy – huh? Given all this, and in keeping with the actual observations, I think that the totality of the multivariant interaction of all the involved variables, for each doubling of atmospheric CO2, will result in no more than 1.8 C. (i.e. – no more than the 1.0 C primary effect + 0.8 C. for the summation of all the secondary effects = 1.8 C all together). Now, circling back to my main point (‘circling back’ – a Paski-ism – hahahaha) …. the climate change scientists favored by officialdom ignore the biggest climate variable theme the holds sway in the current geologic era (with Antarctica positioned over the south pole), and that is the Milankovitch-cycled variance upon northern latitude ice/snow albedo, in the northern hemisphere. We know this because the refuse to entertain the question:

    Without the human-added atmospheric CO2, when is it likely that the trend reversal toward reglaciation, would have occurred, or will occur?

    But as well, I hope this overall comment, also hi-lights for you, this is not the only subterfuge occurring in the field (i.e. – their summation of the secondary effects is also wacky). It is quite pervasive this subterfuge. This multi-faceted subterfuge fools people like Mulga.

    I would also like to point out the Mulga has made a point of energy take-up by way of warming of the ocean water. He is correct, in the sense that this is one of the myriad of earth system variables that impact average global surface temperature. But he continues to feature that variable in a non-nuanced way. The top 3 feet of the sea is warming. But it will eventually mix and dilute the added heat with the underlying colder seawater, which is a vast, vast, vast heat sink (earth climate sub-system with bias toward homeostasis).

    Look ….. maybe another way of framing this, that might make sense to you: The portions of the climate change community that paint doom and gloom by way of the more radical of the rogue-modelers, …. try to make a point of climatic ‘tipping points’. Yes, there have been such climatic ‘tipping points’ that can be found in the entirety of past geologic eras record, that occurs upon occasion (snowball earth may have formed, and held in place for long time periods by way of feedback loops, more than once in earth’s past, for instance). But the point being is that these climatic tipping points are uncommon. The overriding theme has always been a huge bias towards homeostasis for the earth climate system. Now, during the past 40 million years, since the Antarctica landmass has been positioned over the south pole, a yo-yo effect upon the homeostasis of the earth climate system slowly took hold, and grew and grew in prominence, …. the proxy data seems to indicate that the last glaciation cycle that the earth began to escape from 15,000 years ago, was even more prominent on the cooling side (the most prominent of all, over 40 million years). So, ….. such ‘tipping point’ as is a concept that the climate change doomers and gloomers are fond of pointing to, did in fact take hold within the last 40 million years. Like I said, … by way of looking at the entire geologic record of all past eras, this does appear to be something that can occur very occasionally. I think the bifurcation of the overriding tendency towards climate homeostasis, into a two-node cycling system, does qualify as an example of said ‘climatic tipping point’. OK, if you are with me so far, then, ask yourself this question:

    Is there anything, changing in variable-value-wise, that can give rise, to a ‘climatic tipping point’ larger than the tipping point that caused this homeostasis bifurcation, given the discussion I provided above? Perhaps atmospheric CO2, but how much would be necessary to achieve said ‘tipping of the past tipping point’? Note that the variance in average global surface temperature within the reglaciation/deglaciation cycles, particularly the last one, is probably more than 10 C. How much CO2 would one have to add to the atmosphere (given the points I made in the discussion above) to defeat the Milankovitch-cycled variance upon northern latitude ice/snow albedo, in the northern hemisphere, which is dynamic that features 10 C cooling effects upon the average global surface temperature? Can you see how 700 ppm would not at all be dangerous, in this sense? Does this not mean that the doomers and gloomers are kooks? Unless they want to save us form rising seas? Which they can’t (without human interventions over and above reversing the addition of atmospheric CO2 – this net zero idea, which won’t be nearly enough to effect much of anything) because it is mainly a natural process.

    OK Song Dynasty, …. I hope you have grasped all this. If so, then I can finally cogently address the quoted passage of your comment, blockquoted at the top of this comment, provided again here:

    “As a student of history I am appalled at the brutality and wickedness of human beings. I think the world will be much better off if we all perish due to catastrophic climate change. Do you think that the Earth’s ecological system will be able to restore itself once humans are gone or will we become a runaway wasteland like Mars or Venus?”

    I think that is nutso gumbo, this sentiment of yours. You hate humanity? Why otherwise would you hope for our demise? You should not hate humanity. Do you hate yourself? If you don’t hate yourself then you have no business hating humanity. And if you do indeed hate yourself, God help you then (I will say a prayer for you if indeed I find out that is the case). I don’t get this sentiment (though it is pervasive, I daresay, because large swathes of our populace of been manipulated into thinking in these very wonky, dangerous, and insane ways).

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  336. Sparkon says:
    @Mefobills

    Making false accusations is not a point, and you really should learn how to type, or sober up, before you try to get in the last word next time.

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  337. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Wild Man

    I think that is nutso gumbo, this sentiment of yours. You hate humanity? Why otherwise would you hope for our demise? You should not hate humanity. Do you hate yourself? If you don’t hate yourself then you have no business hating humanity. And if you do indeed hate yourself, God help you then (I will say a prayer for you if indeed I find out that is the case). I don’t get this sentiment (though it is pervasive, I daresay, because large swathes of our populace of been manipulated into thinking in these very wonky, dangerous, and insane ways).

    All I will say is thanks for your prayers.

    All the people on this thread have a much better grasp of the science than I do. So I hesitate to challenge any of you.

    However I would ask Mulga this: assuming you are a 9/11 Truther, then you know that the science establishment is entirely able to be corrupted by the official narrative of the PTB. So why do you think with regard to climate change they are any different? In other words, why do you trust the scientists about climate change if you don’t trust them when they rubber stamped the US government coverup report about the 9/11 (false flag) terrorist attacks (and also with regard to the Covid Scamdemic)?

    To Wild Man: yes I suppose I do hate myself. I hate myself for being so impotent living in a culture of lies. On this I agree with Putin that the West is a giant Empire of Lies. America is a giant cesspool of propaganda dishonesty and ignorance. I often think life here is unbearable and it would be preferable not to exist at all rather than to live in this toxic wasteland.

  338. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:

    I had found some comfort in Christianity, but unfortunately the American Christian community is incredibly ignorant and naïve, either patsies for the PTB or subscribers to incredible conspiracy theories that the right-wing billionaire class uses to manipulate them. Christianity in the US is like a debating society intent on scoring points and winning arguments rather than in fostering loving communities. I had understood Jesus as promoting these, but there also are extremely authoritarian and autocratic passages in the NT so I’m not too sure anymore about what his true intent was.

    I spent Pentecost Sunday (yesterday) reading a book by Billy Graham. About half way through I put it aside and admitted to myself that I cannot subscribe to its main tenets. BG was a total apologist for the PTB and rather than deal with systemic problems of socioeconomic injustice in American society he pandered to the rich and powerful and told the rest of us that we were suffering because of our “sin-nature”. He was basically one of the most outrageous gas-lighters in American history. Here’s Christopher Hitchens eviscerating him:

    I think the root of all the problems with Judeo-Christianity [sic] is the Fall of Man myth in Genesis Three, that tries to blame us for the predicament we all find ourselves in and that none of us wants of facing mortality. There could be subtly valuable ideas in this myth, but the insistence of evangelicals to take this passage literally is both foolish and dangerous. It is the original “blame the victim” ideology and I think all future corruption of the monotheistic faiths stems directly from this sick idea that our mythical parents were seduced by a talking snake and then brought death into a perfect world that God had created in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics and entropy.

    I also have considered the problem that America was founded on two ideologies that are completely incompatible and contradictory: English Enlightenment and Calvinist Fundamentalism. These two world views cannot easily co-exist and indeed laid the foundation for America to be a full-blown schizophrenic society. I don’t think the contradiction is resolvable and can only be reconciled by the complete collapse of this nation.

  339. Wild Man says:
    @Mevashir

    Also, just to be clear about my overall position … I should add a caveat. William Happer is an expert on the solar radiation wave-length variance upon greenhouse gas interactions with said radiation, within the upper atmosphere. Happer maintains that the basic concept of a doubling of atmospheric CO2 leading to an average global surface temperature increase of 1.0 C, the ‘primary effect’ (what I was calling the ‘primary effect’ in my last comment, in keeping with the terminology used in the climate change science field), might not actually be accurate, given that as more and more atmospheric CO2, is added, some of the solar radiation wavelengths-interactions in the upper atmosphere, will not more or less linearly increase (but at more precise resolution, is actually skewed towards a reducively logarithmic increase) with the linear increase in the gaseous concentration, because some of these wavelengths-interactions are already approaching saturation, even at 400 ppm.

    I just wanted to clear the air in this respect, because what I have said up to now, has discounted Happer’s contention (in keeping with the consensus, even though the consensus-building has been so bogus by way of subterfuge). But if it turns out that Happer is correct, then my idea that 700 ppm of atmospheric CO2 may save us from the life-taking cooling effect of the coming reglaciation, for as much as 10,000 year, if we are lucky, …. well that may end up being just wishful thinking then. It may well be that it is infinitely easier to cool the earth, than it is to heat the earth, than we even now imagine. If so, ….. well, …we should be preparing for a much colder earth then. I for one, don’t think it pruduent to ignore someone like William Happer. There needs to be better discussions around his contention on this matter.

  340. Corrupt says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “How many cars would there be in cities if the streets were still dirt tracks?”

    Considering the Romans had roads that were not dirt tracks a couple thousand years before there were cars, your statement is ridiculous.

  341. @anarchyst

    Once again, despite the author’s disdain, it’s called FREEDOM.

    LoL, what “freedom”? As far as I see, Americans have the least freedom of any developed country and even have less freedom than some of the developing countries. For example, Americans can’t choose to ride 1st class in a luxurious High Speed Train, because HST doesn’t exist in the USA.

    On the other hand, European and Chinese citizens have the freedom to ride trains and other electric vehicles, but also the freedom to buy and ride in dirty gasoline slurping SUV, or even just to grab a bicycle for commute, if that is what they choose. Each of these types of vehicles have their own infrastructure network build for them and those networks are interoperable with each other. Outside of North America, cars, trains, electric vehicles, and bicycles are not some kind of complex either/or question — they can be (and generally are) used interchangeably, depending on distance, purpose and situation.

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  342. Wild Man says:
    @Mevashir

    “To Wild Man: yes I suppose I do hate myself. I hate myself for being so impotent living in a culture of lies. On this I agree with Putin that the West is a giant Empire of Lies. America is a giant cesspool of propaganda dishonesty and ignorance. I often think life here is unbearable and it would be preferable not to exist at all rather than to live in this toxic wasteland.”

    Please do not hate yourself. You, as a human being, are an exquisite wonder of God’s creation, just like all of us. I don’t think you are impotent in the face of the culture of lies. You do see through it, in your perception of the clarity of Putin’s statement, for instance. That my friend, is some real cognitive potency, right there.

    Also, this ‘toxic wasteland’, you speak of, …. yes that is true in terms of humanity’s current social world (and appears to be something that humanity has been struggling with throughout all of recorded history). For myself, I see the putrification of our precious true-west Academy, as a crying shame, and a very good example of this ‘toxic wasteland’ descriptor. But do realize dear Song Dynasty, that humanity’s social world is not all there is. We live in a world (a realm) brim full of natural wonder for which we have hardly scratched the surface. There is great joy, in arising from one’s restorative sleep, renewed each day, ready to again interact with God’s natural wonders. We are so blessed. I will say a heartfelt prayer for you.

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  343. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @Wild Man

    Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate it.

    A friend told me that the Jewish Talmud conveys this story about Jerusalem’s destruction by Rome in 70 AD. The leading rabbi of Jerusalem was smuggled outside the city walls during the Roman siege and met with the Roman general Vespasian. He told the general that when a snake encircles a jar of honey the only way to kill the snake is to smash the jar. In this he gave the Romans tacit consent to destroy Jerusalem in order to root out the subversive elements within it.

    I fear America has come to this point. I have a childhood friend who attended Harvard Law School, clerked for Justice Kennedy and today works for a prominent law firm in California. I have shared many JFK assassination videos with him, including recent ones featuring highly respected forensic pathologists, defense attorneys, journalists, and even former secret service agents, all of whom are questioning the Warren Commission findings. My friend adamantly refuses to watch any of them and simply dismisses them with a wave of his hand.

    I don’t think he is an anomaly but rather par for the course. He’s among the elites of my generation yet is content to be willfully blind to the obvious. And he also calls himself a fervent Christian. A nation populated with people like this is incapable of reform and can only be fixed by first being utterly destroyed. I had hoped Putin could instigate this shock but he’s too timid, I believe hampered by being beholden to the Russian oligarchs (Jews of course) and his refusal to come clean on 9/11. I’ve read reports that the Russians have clear proof that the 9/11 attacks not only were a false flag but were done with nuclear demolition devices. If this evidence were released Assange style it might set up a popular revolution in America. What would Tucker Carlson and the other Faux News clowns do with such evidence?

    But alas Putin is not the man I had hoped he was and thus the American beast continues to stagger on defiling itself as it destroys the world.

    [MORE]

    JFK VIDEOS

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  344. anarchyst says:
    @Mary Marianne

    I don’t want to travel in a high-speed train. I prefer to travel in my high-speed car whenever and wherever I want.
    That is freedom.

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    , @Mary Marianne
  345. Wild Man says:
    @Mevashir

    Interesting commentary about the state of affairs of our culture. Well, …. I agree with you that there are deep issues in the culture, that need to be addressed forthwith, but my hope is that there are still ways available to advert the coming civil war you speak of (i.e. – you said – “A nation populated with people like this is incapable of reform and can only be fixed by first being utterly destroyed”), as well as avoidance of the less likely possibility of an even larger war of faux-west against some of the rest, ….. (but which could definitely be in the cards as a lower probability, quite quickly now, the way things are progressing, …… but Putin doesn’t want it, it’s true, I think).

    Here is a comment of mine on another Unz Review thread that sort of spells out what I mean (and as well, spelling out what the deep spiritual matter is, at the bottom of all these cultural problems, … this ‘human hubris’ of better described as ‘ontological conceit’, ….. a concept which I could fill you in more on, if you are interested):

    [MORE]

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Wild+Man

    If the hyperlink doesn’t work, it is comment #89 under the recent Jung-Freud article of June 2, 2022 entitled: ‘Significance of Empire vs Alliance: Jewish-Controlled US Empire & EU Puppets in Conflict with Alliance of Sovereign Nations, Esp. Russia, China, & Iran’

    After getting somebody like Mr. Unz, enthused, or a similar Jewish person (the key requirement is that it needs to be a Jewish person that can speak openly about all the intricacies and nuances of the JQ), …. we would then need to get elements within the Holy Roman Catholic Church involved as well, …… something I haven’t alluded to in any comments here at UR for months now, but a long while back, I did spell out, here at UR commentariat, what would be needed in that vein, which I could share with you again if you are interested.

    There is a way out of this. We need brave people with the right reach, with the right insights, …. to make this happen- i.e. – make some waves around this as a new social phenomenon, enough that, it gets some traction, which maybe can be had without too much censorship to begin with, because of the novelty aspect of it all, ….. i.e. – it would start with a hyper-intelligent, respected, liberal, Jewish person criticizing Catholic/Christian doctrine in order to criticize the Jewish hubris that is the source of said doctrine, which said Jewish person must have nuanced insight around this entire field of hubris, …. which we call the JQ for short, interesting as it is in its own right as a topic, ….. and this is the momentous starting point, because it is this very aspect of faux-western globalist culture that is emerging, ….. or has emerged to the point it is now dominant, – i.e. – the hubristic aspect, (which of course is a hybrid, ….. powerful elements among the gentiles borrowed this ‘ontological conceit’ from the Jews, just as much as the Jews forced it upon them, methinks, ….. it kind of even looks like a deal may have been made circa 400 AD) that is leading us to the civil war that you speak of.

    Song Dynasty – as far as your friend goes, even people of my generation (Baby Boomers, I’m 62) who are not elite, but just comfortable, are mostly willfully blind in the same way as your friend. I have had many discussions with all types of the intelligent sorts in this group. Some are emotionally fragile and become easily angered over any of these types of discussion. They have a worldview that upholds the value and future prospects of their comfort, … and take great exception to anybody that is gonna rain on that parade. The way they look at it … is they worked hard their whole life to achieve that comfort, and are therefore deserving, thank-you very much, …. they will go along with a whole lot, as long as no one rains on their comfort parade. Others are much less emotionally fragile and are open to discussion. What happens is they forget what you said during last convo, and you are back at square one. Emotionally thick-skinned is what I would call this type. You gotta get mad at them for always going back to square one (after first being polite about it), and pretty much rhetoricize your argument until it is pretty much on the level of throwing it in their face, and then guess what, …… they slowly slowly start to get it (but way to slow to be of any use to any nascent social phenomenon, whatsoever). This second group is suffering from the same problem (i.e. – they have a worldview that upholds the value and future prospects of their comfort, … and take great exception to any ARGUMENT that is gonna rain on that parade, but because they are emotionally thick-skinned, they don’t take exception so much to the arguer, for the most part). So, ….. the main problem is that these people (both types) cannot imagine, nor do they want to imagine, the future that indeed is coming down the pipeline if we carry on this way. Let’s say everybody’s retirement portfolio took a nose dive ….. well, that would get their attention. Something like that, of some kind, is indeed on the horizon (but it might no be stock market but likely will at least involve stock market), in the next couple of years I would think, that will finally wake this group up out of their comfort slumber. As such, we should strategize to get the right people in front of that coming opening, with this new novel social phenomenon, that I am alluding to, to take advantage of it.

    Now, …. if we can also get somebody to spill the beans on the Kennedys and on 9/11, that implicates the faux-western globalist order, ….. that would be great. If Putin is indeed a fall-down in that respect (I don’t have an opinion on that one way or the other – I just don’t know), I would say, same goes for the CCP in China on the WIV ….. hiding the goings on there when what was hidden was sure to implicate the faux-west in some dastardly fashion. It is weird that both the CCP and potentially the Putin regime (by your insinuation) behave this way. Still don’t know what to make of it.

  346. Mevashir says:
    @Wild Man

    I tried to change my handle because my old email account is closed. But RU insists on going back to my original handle. If you click on it I have written many things about how to deal with 9/11 attacks and the Israel lobby. I have the knowledge of Judaics but I certainly am not respected in any community. I live on the fringes. We are about the same age by the way. I did attend Harvard College and graduated in 1980. I cannot identify a single classmate who is anything but privileged entitled and serving as a “little Eichmann for the American Empire” in the immortal words of CU Boulder professor Ward Churchill.

    I have not had time to digest the rest of your comment but thank you for sharing so much information with me. At this point I am very fatalistic. My main focus is on finding personal Peace of mind amidst the chaos and doing nothing overtly to assist the goals of the PTB.

    If other commenters are correct that since the JFK assassination American leaders have lived in fear of being assassinated by the Zionist Mafia, then we can’t really expect meaningful change apart from the complete destruction of our society. But from what I have read, Mr Putin is equally beholden to his Jews as we are over here. You should recall that Putin and Netanyahu were very close friends and allies.

  347. Mevashir says:
    @Wild Man

    FYI:

    When copying the link to one of your comments you need to find the link inside the date bar below your handle at the top of the comment.

    For example:
    Wild Man says:
    June 5, 2022 at 6:08 pm GMT • 1.3 days ago • 800 Words ↑

    Has this link embedded underneath the June 5th 2022:
    https://www.unz.com/jfreud/significance-of-empire-vs-alliance-jewish-controlled-us-empire-eu-puppets-in-conflict-with-alliance-of-sovereign-nations-esp-russia-china-iran/#comment-5378059

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  348. Mevashir says:
    @Wild Man

    Unfortunately I cannot be your Jewish man of the moment for the following reasons:

    1. Unlike Mr Unz I am not Holocaust denier. I see no contradiction between accepting that millions of Jews were murdered by the Nazis and opposing the Zionist power organizations today. Traditional Orthodox Jews were adamantly opposed to Zionism and a dwindling number still are today. And that even though many in their community perished at the hands of the Nazis. I don’t see it as a package deal. You don’t have to be a Holocaust denier in order to oppose abuses of Zionist power.

    2. Also unlike Mr Unz I have never achieved anything notable in the eyes of the wider world. I don’t have a PhD. I didn’t make a fortune on Wall Street writing algorithms for hedge fund managers. I haven’t created a successful and innovative website as he has done. Mr Unz is the closest you will find to the Jewish man of the hour. But his embracing Holocaust denialism has discredited him in the eyes of many who might otherwise pay attention to the many truthful ideas he promotes.

    3. I don’t know if your writing “the Holy Catholic Church” is sarcastic or sincere. But I also have turned against that church after many years of flirting with its ideology and practices. The Catholic Church unfortunately is built on two completely mutually contradictory platforms, similar to the schizophrenia of the founding of the United States. In the case of the Catholic Church: to compensate for its mistake with Galileo it avidly supports modern scientific endeavors. Catholic colleges and universities are major research institutions. And because of that they have given de-facto approval to evolution and Darwinist concepts. That’s okay, except that it completely contradicts their dogmatic positions about original sin the fall of Adam and Eve from grace that Adam and Eve were our first human parents that humans are tainted and brought death into the world etc. I could never be part of an organization that is so contradictory and also unjustifiably guilt-mongering against hapless humanity.

    Thank you.

  349. antibeast says:
    @anarchyst

    I don’t want to travel in a high-speed train. I prefer to travel in my high-speed car whenever and wherever I want. That is freedom.

    That is your freedom to 1). buy a car from auto companies, 2). buy gasoline from oil companies, and 3). buy car insurance from financial services companies while the government taxes you in order to pay for building and maintaining the public roads which allows you the freedom not to take mass public transport system.

    What if you don’t have the money to do any of the above?

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  350. @Mevashir

    Nah-Putin just treats them with common courtesy, without groveling-which they hate. Why antagonise dangerous and maniacal fanatics? ‘Keep your friends close and your enemies closer’.

  351. @Mary Marianne

    ‘Freedom’ for a psychopath like anarchyst is freedom from others, whom he hates, fears and only wishes to exploit. If the creature is patient, long enough, he’ll get his unending ‘Freedom’ I can assure him. And we’ll be free of him, too.

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  352. @Mevashir

    There are thousands of scientists and engineers who reject the Official Laugh re. 9/11. Similarly there are scores of medical experts, vaccinologists, epidemiologists, virologists etc who reject the CoViD19 mass hysteria and ‘vaccine’ campaign. There is NO such collection of anthropogenic climate denialist scientists who are not either on the denialist industry payroll, hard Right fanatics or senile contrarians. Apples and oranges.

  353. anarchyst says:
    @antibeast

    You question: “What if you don’t have the money to do any of the above?” is not my problem.
    If you want something, you can WORK for it.
    You still have to PAY to ride the train.

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  354. @Wild Man

    ‘Wild Man’, as is almost invariably the case with you on a variety of issues, you speak authoritatively because you’ve actually taken the time to do the objective research – which is more than we can say for the Mulga Mumbler.

    I would however, like to address the following remark of yours:

    Vary atmospheric CO2, and that affects a host of other variables, secondary to varying the level of atmospheric CO2, that are all sensitive to this change (sometime in complicated ways, like, for instance, added atmospheric CO2 increases average global surface temperature

    In a controlled laboratory setting, ALL OTHERS THINGS BEING EQUAL, a rise in the CO2 concentration within that environment will increase the temperature – albeit infinitesimally.

    No one is disputing that.

    However, there are a multiplicity of factors that affect the average Earth temp and it is clear from the data that these other factors have an outsized effect on temperatures in comparison to the minute effects from CO2.

    Case in Point: Several hundreds millions years ago when the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was between 2000 and 3000 ppm (ie: FIVE to SEVEN times what we have today), the Earth was in the grips of an Ice Age.

    An Ice Age means that vast tracts of the world [that in the present era are populated with billions of people], were under several kilometres of ice.

    CLEARLY then, CO2 was NOT then, nor has it ever been, the main determinant of global temperatures.

    The major determinant that the Climate Alarmists never factor in (because to do so would render their models worthless), is the Solar variations.

    In addition to that, we’re all aware that the Earth has an axial tilt (or Obliquity) of around 23.5 degrees, and this is the reason why we have variation in the seasons.

    What many people are not aware of is that the Earth’s obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle.

    In addition to that, the Earth orbits the Sun in an elliptical trajectory, and said trajectory is subject to some variation as well.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  355. @Sparkon

    Sobriety is certainly not one of Mof0-Bill’s virtues.

    He may well be imbibing a cocktail of illicit substances – hence the explanation for his bizarre behaviour, hare-brained economic fixations and overall neurological impairment.

  356. @Anon

    You have it wrong.

    Larry prefers humans over cars.

    Sometimes I wonder if drivers of ICEs don’t develop an addiction from so much ambient vapours,
    especially when stuck in traffic every morning and evening for 30-60 minute stints? Does it also retard cognizance?

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  357. @Mevashir

    Ah you’re back, if you were ever absent hiding under other guises. It’s not the first time that you have engaged in sock puppetry and Ron Unz is particular about not allowing that. Did you, whenever you changed your handle actually tell the readership who you were previously or start making excuses only after Ron exposes you?

    But anyway welcome.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  358. @Truth Vigilante

    Obviously you get some pathetic psychic reward from lying straight out. Every climate scientist and rational person places the Sun as the primary influence on climate on Earth. To state that they ‘ignore’ it, is a moronic lie, typical of you. But the Sun is NOT the only influence.
    Several hundred million years ago, during the Iceball Earth phase the Sun was markedly less radiant, and the continents were distributed differently from today. And what ended the Iceball Age? Massive vulcanism and a huge increase in greenhouse gas levels, followed by warming. When you say that CO2 has NEVER been the ‘main determinant’ of planetary climate history it is another moronic lie. Of the world’s six Mass Extinction Events at least four, including the worst (so far) the End Permian were ‘hot-house Earth’ events caused by forcings of greenhouse gases, in that case from the massive vulcanism that formed the Siberian Traps. In fact, now the forcing is greater and more rapid than then, only then there were not hordes of psychopathic denialist bipeds rushing about and screeching that nothing is happening.
    The US Supreme Court Justice Holmes noted that free speech stopped at yelling ‘Fire’ falsely, in a crowded theatre. How very much worse is to yell ‘There is NO fire’, as the theatre is consumed in flames, while pad-locking all the Fire Exits.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  359. Mevashir says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I don’t know if you are correct about the science, but this is an incredibly articulate (and vicious) rejoinder. You express yourself superbly with lacerating passion.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  360. @mulga mumblebrain

    I recommend all UR readers take the time to listen to the few minutes of the audio only podcast below where the great Irishman Richie Allen (someone that Dr Kevin Barrett and Paul Craig Roberts can personally vouch for), interviews Mark Windows, who is someone well known in the UK and throughout the world for his research and exposure of the crimes of the PTB (listen from 1:01:50 – 1:07:00):

    https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2022-06-06T11_27_24-07_00

    The legendary Richie Allen has the most listened to independently produced radio programme in all of Europe, and that’s because he’s fearless in speaking the truth about 9/11, the Covid Psyop, Human Rights abuses of the Apartheid Israeli state, genocidal U.S foreign policy, the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) hoax and much more.

    In that few minute section of the podcast, they bring up the comparison between the Covid Psyop and the AGW scam and mention how the PTB use the SAME TACTICS to influence the gullible.

    This particular section beginning around the 1:30:30 mark is crucial, where Mark Windows says:

    ‘I’ve been to conferences with some of the best [Climate] scientists in the world who have been sacked by the IPCC ….. one thing they [the scientists] all have in common is they have all been shocked at the way they’ve been treated.
    They thought they were in an even battle. They didn’t realise that they were in an agenda that was absolutely ruthless.
    As soon as they even question it [man-made global warming], even in a polite way, … bang, you’re out’.

    Mulga is too much of a zealot to see what is really happening.
    There is MUCH riding on the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax and it’s been DECADES in the making.

    Any scientist that questions the orthodoxy (and that is the MAJORITY), is ruthlessly culled and marginalised (at best), and their careers destroyed (at worst).

    Take for example one of the universally acclaimed greatest scientists of the 20th century. ie: Freeman Dyson.
    This man could do no wrong and received the highest accolades for decades everywhere he went – and deservedly so.
    Then, he was featured in interviews like this one (start at the 3:00 min):

    Immediately he dropped out of the spotlight and was shunned by the Zio controlled centres of academia.

    Note what Freeman Dyson says in the few seconds beginning at 10:35:

    ‘These Climate models are excellent tools for understanding climate, but they’re VERY BAD TOOLS for predicting climate.
    The reason [for this] is simple. They are models which only have a FEW OF THE FACTORS in them that may be important’.

    So contrary to what Mulga said, the climate models PURPOSELY EXCLUDE those factors that don’t produce the desired AGW narrative.

  361. @Mevashir

    Yes, I agree with you. Mulga can express himself very articulately.

    On the matter of honesty and conducting objective research however, not so much.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  362. Mevashir says:
    @anarchyst

    The great spiritual leaders from just about every tradition both east and west tell us that true freedom is freedom from desires. So you might want to examine why you have these desires that you think you are so free to pursue and so proud when you attain them. It could be you really are a slave of unnecessary and unwanted desires. May God help you.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  363. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    This is a very helpful comment. Thank you for providing experts to back up your views. I will note this personal anecdote.

    I know an elderly retired academic who lives in one of the elite neighborhoods of a major East coast metropolis and he also has a summer beach home in another elite area. But he seems to have no joy from any of it because whenever I speak with him he constantly complains about the rising sea levels that threaten to flood out his pricey real estate. And not only that but he ceaselessly looks for a scapegoat and that of course are the “ignorant science-hating Trump supporting right wing Evangelical Republican crowd”. Now he admits that the properties might take 100 or 200 years to completely flood out so he will be long dead. None of this impacts his foreseeable lifespan. It’s just something to gripe about and to be angry about.

    If climate change really is a looming disaster, of course corporate America shares most of the blame for addicting us to Fossil fuels. The Trump supporter who rides a Harley Davidson makes hardly any difference in the overall picture. But this person is not honest enough to face up to this. Not only that but he and his wife constantly commute between their luxury home in the city and their luxury home on the coast. How much carbon do they spew into the atmosphere commuting back and forth maybe five times a month? What about the trips they take to the Caribbean flying carbon spewing jets?

    The point is that I agree with you that there seems to be a sinister agenda behind the climate change Hysteria always seeking some group to blame and to victimize. And it also seems to be true that the solutions always entail economic suffering for those of us who can least afford it while the elites experience barely a dent in their affluent lifestyles.

  364. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I think Mulga could be a lot happier if he would consider the following perspective. If you are right about climate change then he shouldn’t be worrying. And if he is right there’s nothing any of us can do to avert the disaster, so again there’s no point to worry. In Talmudic reasoning it’s called Mi-ma-nifshach, or whichever way you look at it you come to the same conclusion.

  365. @Truth Vigilante

    So if the GW people are the ones with all the power running the globalist NWO, Great Reset, and all the rest of it, then where do those running the oil, coal, and gas industry, and the motor vehicle industry fit in? Are they some opponents to the globalist project who have already been defeated and have no say any more? Don’t the bosses of the fossil fuel industry have enough money and power to create alternative universities, research bodies, and media for these GW dissident scientists?

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  366. @anarchyst

    No, that is your personal freedom, but not the freedoms that others would choose. Some people prefer HST, but they won’t have that choice in the USA. Whereas in places like China, people have the choice to go both with a HST as well as with a highspeed car.

    More choice = more freedom.

    In other words, China has now become the land of the free and home of the brave, whereas the USA today is an unfree society of slaves.

  367. @mulga mumblebrain

    “Snowball” Earth, but otherwise well put 😉

  368. Sparkon says:
    @Mevashir

    How much carbon do they spew into the atmosphere commuting back and forth maybe five times a month? What about the trips they take to the Caribbean flying carbon spewing jets?

    Here is the important thing. Carbon is a solid and cannot be spewed.

    You are making a common mistake by falling for the propaganda of the manmade global warming crowd who try to equate the solid carbon with the trace gas carbon dioxide.

    97% of all CO₂ in Earth’s atmosphere comes from natural sources. Earth’s climate has experienced many ups and downs in the form of warm and cool periods long before man’s activities could have played any role.

    Claiming now that CO₂ is the control knob on Earth’s climate is ludicrous special pleading.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  369. @Commentator Mike

    I learnt about it when reading David Icke’s book “ The Perception Deception”. I have also read the same story on many sites but I never took the care of registering them.

  370. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    I hate myself for being so impotent living in a culture of lies.

    How other people live their lives is not your concern.

    Unless you want to conquer them and coerce them, with physical force, to live differently…?

    In theory you could nominate yourself a lord and solicit vassals, but I mention it only for completeness; by inspection moderns would refuse to apply.

  371. Alrenous says: • Website
    @bike-anarkist

    Stockholm syndrome.

    Having spent 5-10 hours every week in a car, plus spending 20-40% of your discretionary revenue to pay for the car, it becomes very psychologically tempting to assume cars must be great.

    If it’s necessary you might as well like it. They’re not an unavoidable evil, they’re “freedom” or “the American dream” or whatever. It’s patriotic.

    Imagine you spent years lightly worshipping cars. Having to admit they were a mistake all along would make you feel pretty stupid, wouldn’t it? “That Alrenous moron thought of using a bike instead…didn’t even occur to me. Why didn’t it even occur to me to try it?”
    Of course feeling stupid is a mood that passes. You get over it. (Ask me how I know.)
    But why trouble yourself? America isn’t going to kick its car addiction anytime soon.

    It really is patriotic in America, because Uncle Sam demands you view cars as necessary for social status. Why go to all the inconvenience of feeling incredibly stupid only to have all the neighbours tut at you for selling your car?
    Q: Is it worth 40% of your discretionary revenue to avoid having the neighbours tut at you?
    American: “Hell yeah it is.”

    Of course saying that the reason one keeps one’s car is to obey Uncle Sam and to avoid feeling stupid would be to surrender the argument, so they can’t discuss it in good faith…

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  372. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    The great spiritual leaders from just about every tradition both east and west tell us that true freedom is freedom from desires.

    Sadly this is the opposite of the truth.

    I have personally tried non-attachment. It sucks. It’s not even close.

    A population that’s trying to avoid attachments is very easy to tax, though. The motivation behind the sophistry is not particularly difficult to find. Everyone who says “freedom from desire” is selfishly trying to make you serve their desires instead of your own.

    • Disagree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  373. Mevashir says:
    @Sparkon

    You may be right. But my point is that the liberal elites are casting a wide net to find someone to blame for the rising sea levels that threaten their precious ocean front real estate. And someone to penalize financially as well.

  374. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I am watching the Freeman Dyson video you posted. Very interesting. Some of the comments on that video are pretty negative claiming that a physicist has no right to comment on climate issues. Go down to the comments and select New tab and go down about 20 comments from the top and the person who made this video is asking the person who posted it on this YouTube channel to take it down. I’m not sure why he wants him to take it down.

    Also note at 12 minutes into the interview Dyson mentions an Israeli astrophysicist who promotes the idea that sun activity is a major driver of climate:

    https://www.netzerowatch.com/prof-nir-shaviv-forbes-censored-an-interview-with-me/
    http://old.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/cv/cv.html
    [email protected]
    https://electroverse.net/acclaimed-israeli-astrophysicist-suggests-that-the-sun-drives-earths-climate-not-co2/
    https://www.desmog.com/nir-shaviv/

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  375. Mevashir says:
    @Sparkon

    The point I was making is according to this person’s own ideology carbon dioxide is a threat to climate stability. And yet he is not willing to constrain his own activities that produce this supposedly deadly substance. This is typical of elite hypocrisy always looking for others to blame not willing to accept their own responsibilities and trying to financially victimize the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  376. Sparkon says:
    @Mevashir

    Yes, that sums it up pretty well.

    Either they’re hypocrites, or they don’t really believe in the menace of carbon dioxide. Of course, being elite, they don’t have to worry about it too much because everyone knows it’s important for celebrities to rush around, bad example be dammed. We peons rush around in cars while celebrities rush around in jets.

  377. Mevashir says:
    @Alrenous

    Ever heard of the alcoholic who attended a few AA meetings and said “Sobriety isn’t all it’s cracked up to be!” 😘

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  378. Athena says:

    USA: Is there morality in American society?
    (Excerpt)

    https://journal-neo.org/2014/02/15/rus-ssha-est-li-moral-v-amerikanskom-obshhestve/

    “…in the early twentieth century, Russian philosophers wrote that the person who cannot see evil is unarmed, as one’s personality is created in the process of distinguishing between good and evil – in the delineation of evil. When these boundaries are erased, the person begins to disintegrate. An illustrative example is the behavior of U.S. politicians and diplomats. Here it is worth mentioning last year’s adoption by the U.S. military of official permission for sexual relations with animals, creating appropriate amendments to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 125 (the article that earlier prohibited sodomy and included a paragraph on bestiality). It is said that the writer Vladimir Nabokov, who lectured at Cornell University to American students – the Slavisists – struggled in trying to explain to them the essence of untranslatable Russian concepts such as “intelligency” (intelligentsiya), “vulgarity” (poshlost’) “narrow-mindedness” (meshyanstvo), and “boorishness” (khamstvo). They say that he could explain the meaning of “intelligency” (intelligentsiya), “vulgarity” (poshlost’) “narrow-mindedness” (meshyanstvo), but he did not manage to explain the word “boorishness” (khamstvo) to the Americans.

    In the United States, “boorishness” (khamstvo) means pushiness, courage and bravery in dealing with any matters, regardless of others’ position. In other words, the word “boorishness” (khamstvo) in American English is not a swear word, and the deeds committed by the cads are welcomed. As they say, every nation has its manners and customs. There is a set of typical American politicians’ features. These are pushiness without moral and legal grounds, impudence combined with the lack of shame and of conscience. Moreover, the false smiles of the Americans when meeting other people and foreign leaders cannot hide the true feeling that the Americans really do not care for the interlocutor. Apparently, we should agree with the famous neo-Freudian apologist for immorality and sexual promiscuity, Erich Fromm, who considered that the society, as a whole, might be sick. Only the essence of this disease is not the excessive moral constraint and people’s complexes, as the German psychoanalyst claimed. The disease is expressed by American consumerism and personal disregard of what is happening in American daily life and in the foreign policy of their country.”

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  379. Athena says:

    Negotiations EU-Mercosur
    Mobility transition slowed down

    https://www.bilaterals.org/?mobility-transition-slowed-down

    “The upcoming agreement between the EU and the Mercosur countries (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay) exemplifies a retrograde mobility and trade policy in which the automotive lobby sees its interests disproportionately well represented, thereby undermining effective climate and human rights protection.

    The study “Mobility transition slowed down. The EU-Mercosur Agreement and the Automotive Industry” shows which concessions the EU Commission has made to the automotive lobby while disregarding the environment, climate protection and human rights, in order to increase the profits of the European car industry.”

    https://www.bilaterals.org/?mobility-transition-slowed-down

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  380. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    This is from one of the articles about the Israeli physicist Freeman Dyson mentions in that video. Note he served in Unit 8200. To me that makes him the enemy:

    https://electroverse.net/acclaimed-israeli-astrophysicist-suggests-that-the-sun-drives-earths-climate-not-co2/
    And for anyone attempting to dismiss Shaviv’s credentials?

    Well, he enrolled at Israel’s Technion University – the country’s equivalent of MIT – at the age of 13 and earned an MA while serving in the Israel Defense Force’s celebrated 8200 Intelligence unit. He returned to Technion, where he earned his doctorate, afterward completing post-doctoral work at California Institute of Technology and the Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics. He also has been an Einstein Fellow at The Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton — we’re told to listen to the scientists, right?

    But what about Shaviv’s supposed political agenda, he’s been corrupted from that angle, right?

    “In American terms, I would describe myself as liberal on most domestic issues, somewhat hawkish on security,” Shaviv explained. “Nonetheless, the Trump administration’s position on global climate change is correct insofar as it rejects the orthodoxy of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    “Since [2003], literally billions have been spent on climate research,” Shaviv added. Yet, “the conventional wisdom hasn’t changed. The proponents of man-made climate change still ignore the effect of the sun on the earth’s climate, which overturns our understanding of twentieth-century climate change.”

    Also the Forbes interview with him that was retracted was conducted by another Israeli, an investment guru from Detroit. It all gives me a bad feeling that these people are panting for profits and don’t really see the bigger picture. But then again I have a normal socialist’s bias against anything that reeks of Wall Street Capitalism:

    https://www.netzerowatch.com/prof-nir-shaviv-forbes-censored-an-interview-with-me/
    A few days ago I was interviewed by Doron Levin, for an article to appear online on forbes.com. After having seen a draft (to make sure that I am quoted correctly), I told him good luck with getting it published, as I doubted it will: https://twitter.com/DoronPLevin

    Why? Because a year ago I was interviewed by a reporter working for Bloomberg, while the cities of San Francisco and Oakland were deliberating a climate change lawsuit against Exxon-Mobil (which the latter won!), only to find out that their editorial board decided that it is inappropriate to publish an interview with a heretic like me. Doron’s reply was to assure me that Forbes’ current model of the publication online allows relative freedom with “relatively little interference from editors”. Yeah Sure.

    After the article went online yesterday and Doron e-mailed so, I saw how much relative exposure it received. It had already more than 40000 impressions in a matter of a couple of hours. Impressive. All that took place while I was relaxing with my family on a Tel-Aviv beach. But this didn’t last long. Although I continued to relax at the beach, the article was taken down for “failing to meet our editorial standards”, which apparently means conforming to whatever is considered politically correct about climate change.

    The piece itself is (or was, or will be?) found here. A copy was posted here: http://www.sciencebits.com/forbes-censored-interview-me

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  381. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    You going to give up food? You addict. Why do you desire to keep living? Give up your attachment to existing. And your wallet, also.

    The reason we call alcoholism an addiction is precisely because it doesn’t serve one’s desires. The benefits are illusory or otherwise cost more than they’re worth. You get sick and die instead. If it caused flight powers instead of liver failure we would all worship the stuff.

    Unless you’re utterly, irredeemably, evil, serving your own desires implies serving the desires of others as well. If you are so evil, then you’re hardly going to listen to well-meaning advice about desires, are you? Under the most favourable assumptions, the advice is either irrelevant or pointless.

    The anti-desire thing is a lie. If Siddhartha was as wise as he comes across, he never said it himself.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  382. Mevashir says:
    @Alrenous

    Wasn’t it Edward Bernay’s who created the entire American advertising industry based on the idea of inducing us to buy things that we don’t need or really want? Maybe we’re talking about different kinds of desires. Of course food water and air are necessary for life. And yes you could argue that we’re addicted to them. And I agree with you that the bad desires are desires that are self-destructive. Although the truth is that alcohol does provide a momentary form of pleasure and relief. Abusing it causes much greater harm in the long run.

    Let me throw out a totally different idea. I was thinking of how it came to pass that in a Protestant country such as America Jews and Catholics have come to completely dominate our society. The Jews control the money and the Catholics seem to control the political and judicial systems, at least in Washington DC. And I had this thought.

    In the Jewish religion people are supposed to pray in the synagogue three times a day. Catholics have daily Mass. Protestants meet once or perhaps twice a week in their church. If we consider all of these religious gatherings a form of networking, it turns out that the Jews have by far the greatest amount of networking. And I think there’s some kind of link to the fact that they have such incredible dominance over our society.

    Now let’s look at the community at TUR. People here are extremely smart and insightful. They might make multiple comments per day. However none of us ever meets face to face. And I think that is the critical factor in determining who ends up controlling a society. That’s why I suspect that for all the brilliant insights offered up at TUR by authors and commenters, we will have almost no impact on the society at large because we never genuinely Network together. What do you think of this idea?

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    , @Alrenous
  383. @Mevashir

    So, unsurprisingly, Shaviv is an outright liar. To say that climate scientists ‘..ignore the effects of the Sun on the Earth’s climate..’, is a Big Lie, so typical of Zionazis and other Rightists, following the advice of the Big Lie’s progenitor, Adolph Hitler.

  384. @Athena

    There’s the rub. Despite the drooling stupidity of the denialist scum, there is VASTLY more money tied up with the fossil fuels Moloch, and attendant industries like ICE automotives, than in renewable energy and EVs. And when it comes to profit, ‘wealth’ and ‘assets’ every capitalist cancer and moronic metastasis put those before human life, even that of their own spawn, EVERY TIME.

  385. @Athena

    ‘Immorality’ is in the eye and loins of the beholder, and ‘promiscuity’ is having more sex than the denouncer. What Fromm and Reich and others proposed was taking Judeo-Christian hatred of the flesh and moral hypocrisy out of sexual relations, and placing innocent pleasure, love and friendship in the central position, not lust, desire and possessiveness, which grow inevitably from the hypocritical sexual repression of others.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  386. @Commentator Mike

    You write:

    So if the GW [Global Warming] people are the ones with all the power running the globalist NWO, Great Reset, and all the rest of it, then where do those running the oil, coal, and gas industry, and the motor vehicle industry fit in?

    I ask you then, where do the pre-school teachers fit in ? Where do the butchers, bakers and candlestick makers fit in ?

    At the end of the day, with the exception of government workers who are a parasitic drag on society and do nothing but provide regulatory burden for small businesses trying to survive, people in the private sector are engaged in activities supplying goods and services that SATISFY CONSUMER NEEDS.

    The Oil, coal and gas industry are doing their bit by supplying energy to consumers in the most EFFICIENT way and at the LOWEST COST.

    People look at the REVENUE generated by the Oil, coal and gas industries and see figures of trillions but this is not to be confused with profit.
    A company like Exxon-Mobil may have revenue of several hundred billion but it’s profits may be only \$15 – 20 billion in an exceptionally good year.
    Most years their profits are in the single digits and some years they make a LOSS.

    Just do your own back of the envelope calculation and see for yourself how LITTLE of the weekly pay packet of the average worker is actually spent on energy.
    Not everyone drives a Ford F350 with a gas guzzling big block V8 engine.

    On AVERAGE, a typical working class household may spend around \$100 (give or take) on energy each week.
    ie: that’s the weekly petrol for their car, weekly usage of electricity and gas.

    This will be around 10% of their weekly budget. The major budget items will of course be rent or mortgage repayments, food etc.

    Upper middle class and upper class families will no doubt spend much more on energy, but this will be more than offset by an income that is THREE to TEN times (or more) higher.
    So energy, as a percentage of their weekly budget could be anywhere from 2% – 6% at most.

    Simply put, for heavy energy users (ie: those that can afford it), their energy budget is a pittance.

    Bottom Line: The Zionist Usury Banking Cartel conjure up money from nothing and LOAN IT OUT to the dumbed down masses (earning countless hundreds of billions in interest income).
    They make money on ALL COMMERCE. Not just the oil, coal and gas industry. They make more money from the mortgage industry, from banking, Big Pharma, Military-Industrial-Security complex, academia, Health industry, car loans etc.

    In addition to that, with a keystroke, through their ownership of the Federal Reserve they can conjure up TRILLIONS in seconds (ie: the combined profits of the fossil fuel industry for decades), and dole it out amongst themselves saying that it’s to protect the country from ‘systemic risk’ or to safeguard the repo market (as they did in 2019) or some other looming catastrophe which was caused by Zio financial chicanery and reckless practices in the first place.

    The Zio cabal have MULTIPLES OF U.S GDP in financial wherewithal that DWARFS the profits of the Oil, coal and gas industries by orders of magnitude.

    Meanwhile, look at the leading shareholders of the fossil fuel giants OR the NYSE listed Defence contractors OR any of the major NYSE or NASDAQ listed companies, FAANG stocks etc, and tell me what you see.

    You’ll see among the top three shareholders the likes of institutions like Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street.
    And who, pray tell, owns these institutions ?

    Answer: They are ZIO CABAL majority owned entities.

    In other words, they have got their fingers in the pie of ALL the major industries but especially the Green/Renewable industries.
    They favour the latter because they don’t have to compete in a free market against viable and efficient competitors. Instead, they are granted contracts amounting to hundreds of billions in taxpayer funded subsidies to peddle their inefficient* and low quality products and technologies.

    It’s just easy money.

    (*Like those Wind Turbines that chop up millions of birds every year) – 30 sec video below:

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  387. turtle says:
    @Mefobills

    So you are for allowing the dumb and lame to breed?

    Evidently you do not read English well. Second language, perhaps?

    What I said was:

    Legalize euthanasia NOW!
    Hey, it worked for Sparta, or so I’ve read…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life

    you are dumb and lame.

    As you said. Not, however, stupid enough to have descendants.

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  388. Mevashir says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How do you replace lust with a innocent friendship when so many men in particular are powered by lust?

    The Talmud says that if you marry off children when they’re still teenagers then they will form a natural friendship akin to the closeness of a brother and sister and lust will never prevail in their marriage. And religious Jews very much adhere to the spirit of this advice. Most of them get married between 18 and 20. Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, the Hasidic rebbe I followed when I lived in Israel, who lived in Ukraine from 1772 to 1810, married at the age of 13 after his bar mitzvah cetemony. His closest student Rabbi Nathan married at 15.

    In my experience in Christianity over the last 20 years, I think this is one of the biggest deficiencies in the religion. They postpone marriage until their kids have finished college have a secure profession and a respectable income. Often they don’t get married until their late 20s or 30s. And the problem is that they are subjected to raging sex hormones and powerful sexual messaging in our culture that makes it sheer torture for them to wait so long. I think this is the reason there’s a high rate of divorce and pornography addiction in Christian communities. They never learned the Jewish concept of getting married at a young age so that the relationship is centered on friendship, as you have written so wisely above.

    And by the way, Judaism is not anti-sex at all. Paul’s attitude is not typically Jewish. It’s virtually impossible to be a Jewish rabbi if you are not married. Unlike the Catholic priesthood and religious orders where celibacy is required. Judaism also permits polygamy, at least among the Sefardic communities. Judaism is a very sexualized religion so long as it is done within the safety of marriage.

  389. Mevashir says:

    Climate in Crisis: Who’s Causing It, Who’s Fighting It, and How We Can Reverse It Before It’s Too Late https://a.co/d/eaMwVj6

    I found this book by Robert f Kennedy Jr in the library. It seems to take the standard anti-fossil fuel perspective on the climate situation. I wonder why Mr Unz rejects this perspective even though he accepts RFK Jr’s other book on Fauci and HIV/AIDS?

  390. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You are amazingly persuasive. You really should monetize your talent as an apologist for the fossil fuel industry. I don’t think they could find a better spokesman anywhere!

    I look at it this way. The evidence for 9/11 is overwhelming and yet it was buried under an avalanche of government propaganda and misinformation. I think the science behind climate change is much murkier and less apparent than 9/11 so I think there’s even less chance of getting consensus on the truth.

    For me 9/11 was the event that sent our society into the long death spiral of post-truth relativism. I think 9/11 is responsible for the skepticism about climate matters as well because people learned from 9/11 not to trust scientific establishment figures. 9/11 shattered the trust in our society more than any event in recent history. And I do not believe it’s possible to recover from the lethal blow it inflicted.

  391. @anarchyst

    Actually ‘The Tragedy of the Commons’ is Rightwing bull-shit that reverses reality. In fact land held in common was preserved for the use of all for centuries. When the commons were ‘enclosed’, ie privatised, they were raped for quick profit, and destroyed. The facts were reversed by some Rightwing metastasis, a bigger version of you with a brain, to justify privatisation and looting for profit.
    You really are that typical combination of stupidity and malevolence that has turned my stomach all my life, but I didn’t realise just how fundamentally Evil your type were until ecological destruction denialism emerged, from out of the pit of Hell. I bet you were a slimy thief and crook, too.

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  392. @Mevashir

    You wrote:

    Some of the comments on that [Freeman Dyson] video are pretty negative claiming that a physicist has no right to comment on climate issues.

    I seldom read the commentary below a You Tube video. You can be certain that, in YT in particular, there will be a hasbara army of trolls working 24/7 bombarding the comments sections with pro-establishment narratives, be that on the JFK coup d’etat, 9/11, Anthropogenic Global Warming, the Covid Psyop or whatever.
    The commentary at You Tube is worthless.

    Not so for the Unz Review. Yes, we have our fair share of trolls employed by Unit 8200 of the IDF, but because the overall level of knowledge and critical thinking from the other contributors is so high, they easily eviscerate the trollers and their feeble arguments.
    Said trollers are easy to spot and they’re constantly be exposed for all to see.

    Let’s get something straight from the outset.

    ‘Climate scientists’ are, for the most part, nothing but glorified meteorologists. ie: just weathermen.

    To the extent that NASA’s satellites are involved and some high tech is utilised, it is technology BORROWED FROM OTHER DISCIPLINES. ie: borrowed from the field of physics, chemistry, aeronautics etc.
    Climate science is NOT quantum physics. The people involved in it are not on par with the Nikola Tesla’s and Isaac Newton’s of the world.

    Summary: Scientists from other disciplines, and certainly POLYMATHS like Freeman Dyson, are EASILY CAPABLE of absorbing the so-called ‘science’ employed in Climate research and make an assessment as to the veracity of said claims.

    And that is exactly what they’ve done and the opinions of people like Freeman Dyson, Richard Lindzen and William Happer, each of them the world leading authorities in their field, should be heeded.

    Meanwhile, you should look at this video titled ‘Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax’:

    Around the 6 min mark the Nobel Laureate says:

    It has NEVER been as cold in the Sth Pole [ie: Antarctica] as it has been right now. There’s more ice there than there has ever been*.

    (* Not only is there more ice in Antarctica, but as per the evidence I forwarded Mulga in another thread, the ice mass is INCREASING at the rate of scores of BILLIONS OF TONNES each year).

    In response, the NASA Goddard institute has only EIGHT (8) thermometers situated in the whole continent of Antarctica – no doubt situated in places where warmer tides and equivalents of Gulf Streams tend to bring more temperate climates, relative to the colder regions.

    Many UR readers will be familiar with the video above, but for those of you that aren’t, please take the time to watch it and learn some truths that have been withheld by the PTB, the MSM and the corrupt western politicians and bureaucrats.

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  393. @Alrenous

    Just imagine how many starving Africans you could feed with what you spend on your car. Don’t Americans love those Africans and want them to eat?

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  394. @Truth Vigilante

    Back to lying again, like a pig in shit or a dog consuming its own vomit. Climate models DO NOT exclude anything. Give us an example. Climate scientists say, ‘All models are wrong, but some are useful’.
    The models have erred in prediction, that much is plain, but on the optimistic side. Loss of Arctic summer sea ice has proceeded far faster than even the most pessimistic IPCC predictions. The AMOC is weakening far faster than predicted, the derangement of the jet-streams was not foreseen, and soils, long seen as carbon sinks, now appear more likely to become sources. And clouds are still a matter for controversy and investigation.
    This is science. You make an hypothesis, then it becomes, perhaps, a theory, then it is criticised, tested in the lab and in the field, and it is constantly revised. Denialism is a Rightwing death cult, a genocide religion that relies on lies, distortion, disinformation, and the money from the fossil fuel industry and Rightwing ideologues, from which Dyson Freeman has directly benefitted, and IT NEVER CHANGES. It stays the same, dumb denial, FOREVER. Perhaps he’s is simply corrupt, or senile, or just vicious, or some combination, but for every Freeman (an expert in another field)there are a thousand climate scientists agin him. But you, for pathopsychological reasons that are obvious, believe the one outsider, and disbelieve the thousands, and spread dirty lies about them.
    For instance, just WHO are these ‘scientists’ kicked out of the IPCC for daring to question the orthodoxy. Names please, and numbers. You obviously don’t know any and are just regurgitating some crap from Watts or some other criminal sewer, and the sheer psychopathic LUNACY of declaring such renegades the MAJORITY is the stuff of strait-jackets and rubber rooms.

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  395. @Mevashir

    Anthropogenic climate destabilisation is REAL. That the ruling oligarchs are intent on exploiting it to their own benefit is obvious-that is how they exist. That some of the oligarchs, with tens of trillions in assets in fossil fuels and their banksters have financed a denialist industry, to their benefit, is also obvious. Neither of those changes the science and the facts in reality, and only stupid little minds, like TV engage in such idiocy, but he can’t help it, I imagine. He has a tattoo on his arm, a heart, with ‘Patsy’ written in the middle.
    What is less obvious, perhaps, is that some in the ruling globalist elites want climate destabilisation to occur. They imagine that they can survive, because of money power, and, meanwhile, several billion ‘useless eaters’ will go extinct, then the rich can, so they imagine, repair the Earth and enjoy it without billions of their eternal enemies-other people.

  396. @Mevashir

    Sounds to me like that guy will be worrying about his investments even on his death bed. But did he live a full life? Did he make the most of it? Seems that living the American Dream, despite what some posters tell us, isn’t to live for yourself but to live for America. He lived and died for America but thought he was living for himself. At least I hope that he has a large loving family living around him on his properties who will inherit all those investments; then maybe it was worth it.

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  397. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    It would of course be racist to expect Africans to grow or trade for their own food, like responsible adults. When an African has a child before securing food for that child, obviously it’s my fault in particular.
    Fun fact, most starvation in Africa is UN-induced. When the UN got kicked out of Somalia conditions improved dramatically.

  398. anarchyst says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Your immature name-calling and propensity for communism exposes you as a small-minded individual. Hell, you might even be a woman, acting on emotion instead of logic and facts.
    The first European colonies on the American continent were run like communist societies where “no one owns anything”, everything was pooled–“from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” and no one having an individual stake in his own existence, depending on those who really worked, everything being taken care of by the “commons”.
    That didn’t work out well for anyone as the slackers received the same assets as those who busted their asses trying to make it work.
    It was only when individual plots of land were given to individual families that the economic system took off. One is more likely to take care of property that they own.
    All one has to do is observe the dismal environmental record in almost all communist run countries to see “the tragedy of the commons”.

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  399. anarchyst says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    If environmentalism restricted itself to truly caring for our natural resources, I would have no problem with it. However, with the secret science and questionable funding that these environmental groups possess taints the whole barrel.
    It turns out that many claims that environmentalists make have no basis in fact and are not based on good, honest, scientific investigation. This is why environmental scientists have to hide their data, as it does not fit their agenda. FOLLOW THE MONEY.
    A good example of this is the so-called global warming crap, now renamed climate change. For one, the climate is always changing. The East Anglia emails in which data was purposely falsified by climate scientists comes to mind.
    Not only that, the climate scientists purposely installed temperature monitoring sensors in cities, contrary to manufacturers recommendations and good scientific practices, in asphalt-covered parking lots, and other heat sink areas in order to prove their (faulty) hypothesis. This is scientific dishonesty at its worst.
    It turns out that the solar system is in a cooling cycle due to decreased solar activity. There are two long-term solar cycles that reinforce themselves when in phase and cancel themselves out when out-of-phase. Look up the Maunder minimum. There are no SUVs on Mars or other planets, yet they are also experiencing the same solar variability.
    Environmentalism has been the method used to impose communist principles on western society, especially in the USA.
    Environmentalists are not content with promoting clean water, air and land, but are hell-bent on controlling human behavior, and yes, promoting extermination plans for much of humanity as these anointed types consider mankind to be a pestilence (except for themselves) to be reduced in population by any means necessary.
    Environmentalists HATE the God-given concept of private property and have imposed government-backed and enforced land use controls on private property owners without compensation, clearly an unconstitutional taking of private property. If environmentalists want to control land use, let them purchase it themselves, not by government force. Today the only method of negating government-imposed land use restrictions is shoot, shovel, and shut up.
    If environmentalists had their way, the earth’s human population would be reduced by approximately 90%, with the remainder to (be forced) to live in cities, in soviet-style high rise apartments like sardines, utilizing bicycles, buses and trains for transportation. The use of automobiles and access to pristine wilderness (rural) areas would be off-limits to us mere mortals, and would only be available for these anointed environmentalists.
    The endangered species act is another abuse of environmentalism. Species are always changing, to adapt to their environments-survival if the fittest. In fact, the hoopla over the spotted owl (that placed much northwest timber land off-limits to logging) turned out to be nothing but scientific misconduct and arrogance. There are virtually identical species in other parts of the northwest.
    More scientific malpractice occurred when government biologists attempted to plant lynx fur in certain areas to provide an excuse for making those areas off-limits for logging or development. Fortunately, these scientists were caught, however, no punishment was imposed.
    In a nutshell, today’s environmentalism IS communism like watermelon-green on the outside and red (communist) on the inside.
    It is interesting to note that communist and third-world countries have the WORST environmental conditions on the planet. Instead of the USA and other developed countries spending billions to get rid of that last half-percent of pollution, it would behoove the communist countries to improve their conditions first. Here is a question for you environmentalists: Why is there a push for restrictive environmental regulations, but only on the developed first-world countries, and not the gross polluters such as India and China?

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  400. Mevashir says:
    @anarchyst

    I agree that Mulga’s vitriole is over the top and unwarranted. There is no excuse to impugn someone like Freeman Dysan. All scientists have conflicts of interest when it comes to their funding. Indeed all of us are compromised in a variety of ways and no one can claim to be perfectly objective. I suppose Mulga is so angry because he is frightened, but still that’s no excuse. The fact is that no one knows what to do about the climate. For six thousand years we’ve been focused on living, assuming the earth can take care of itself. Today that notion is being challenged and no one knows how to respond. Even that Israeli sun-spot scientist admits that in the 21st century AGW will become paramount. I would suggest that Mulga relax because if things truly are as dire as he says then there is no solution at all. At least be at peace with yourself and others. Take a cue from the Hasidics who sang songs marching into the gas chambers, which supposedly infuriated the Nazi guards more than anything else.

  401. Mevashir says:
    @Commentator Mike

    He lived a very full life. And he does have descendants who appreciate him. He seems truly worried about the future of the human race.

  402. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    This video was posted five years ago. Don’t you think the speaker might have revised his views since then? Also do you know who this speaker is? He is not identified on the youtube channel.

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  403. @mulga mumblebrain

    You wrote:

    Back to lying again, like a pig in shit or a dog consuming its own vomit. Climate models DO NOT exclude anything. Give us an example.

    You’re not very attentive, are you ?

    In my comment # 364, none other than Freeman Dyson himself states these exact words:

    They are [Climate] models which only have a FEW OF THE FACTORS in them that may be important

    Mulga, what don’t you understand about the word ‘FEW’.
    If the climate models only include a few factors, then by definition MANY other factors have been left out.

    Freeman Dyson is a COLOSSUS as far as the pantheon of great scientists of the 20th century go.
    Should the UR readers be taking your word, someone who chains himself to pine trees in plantation forests and disrupts traffic with the Extinction Rebellion loons, over the word of Freeman Dyson ?
    The question answers itself.

    Meanwhile, if that’s not enough for you as far as what variables the Climate models exclude, let’s see what Emeritus Professor Tim Ball has to say in this clip (watch the 50 secs from 46:00 – 46:50 in the video below):

    As Tim Ball says himself about these preposterous Climate models:

    ‘The analogy I use is like my car’s not running very well, so I’m going to IGNORE the engine (which is the SUN), and I’m going to ignore the transmission (which is the water vapour*), and I’m going to look at one nut on the right rear wheel (which is the human produced CO2).
    The [official narrative on Climate] science is THAT BAD’.

    (*Water Vapour is of far greater importance as a Green house gas than CO2 – by a factor of dozens. Yet the Climate models pay negligible emphasis to it relative to the ‘Gas of Life’ CO2).

    Meanwhile Mulga, you’re going to be sorry you made the following demand, because you’re going to be left with egg on your face …. again:

    For instance, just WHO are these ‘scientists’ kicked out of the IPCC for daring to question the orthodoxy. Names please, and numbers.

    You asked, and I am only too happy to deliver.
    Let’s begin with Professor Paul Reiter from the Pasteur Institute in Paris. His resume of extremely prestigious positions he’s held is as long as your arm.

    Once again, refer to the video I posted above and watch the 5 mins from 55:00 – 1:00:00.

    Professor Paul Reiter speaks of NUMEROUS other scientists that have resigned in disgust as contributors to the IPCC report.
    From that 5 min section, this is what Professor Frederick Seitz, former President of America’s National Academy of Sciences (in the days when said head of this body was objective and not bought off by the Zio cabal), had this to say:

    ‘I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer review process than the events that led to this IPCC report’.

    Oh Mulga, how you’re wishing now that you hadn’t demanded for names/titles of these people that resigned from the IPCC or were kicked out.

    Mulga, you can call someone a liar all you like but YOU NEVER FURNISH PROOF of my alleged lying.

    Meanwhile, there is a NEVER ENDING documented trail of LIES, CORRUPTION, MANIPULATION of STATISTICS that are coming from the Climate Chicken Little’s, what with their baseless claims that the sky is falling down, which only serves to traumatise little kiddies.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    NOTE to all UR readers, for those of you that haven’t previously seen that video I posted in this comment (The Great Global Warming Swindle – Full Documentary HD), it’s a MUST WATCH if you’re genuinely seeking the truth about the AGW hoax.

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  404. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/americans-and-automobiles-capitalism-and-propaganda/#comment-5382362

    The speaker in the video you posted is:

    [MORE]

    Ivar Giaever:
    https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/31259/the-strange-case-of-global-warming-2012/laureate-giaever
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_Giaever
    https://skepticalscience.com/ivar-giaever-nobel-physicist-climate-pseudoscientist.html
    https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2011/09/15/007250-nobel-prize-winning-physicist-resigns-from-premier-society-over-false.html

    ;

    Critique of this person:

    https://skepticalscience.com/ivar-giaever-nobel-physicist-climate-pseudoscientist.html;
    Ivar Giaever – Nobel Winning Physicist and Climate Pseudoscientist
    Posted on 12 July 2012 by dana1981
    We often see scientists from non-climate fields who believe they have sufficient expertise to understand climate science despite having done minimal research on the subject; William Happer, Fritz Vahrenholt, and Bob Carter, for example. As he admits in his own words, Nobel Prize winning physicist Ivar Giaever fits this mould perfectly:

    “I am not really terribly interested in global warming. Like most physicists I don’t think much about it. But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it. And I spent a day or so – half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned. And I’m going to try to explain to you why that was the case.”

    That quote comes from a presentation Giaever gave to the 62nd Meeting of Nobel Laureates in 2012, for some unknown reason on the subject of climate change. As Giaever notes at the beginning of his talk, he has become more famous for his contrarian views on global warming than for his Nobel Prize, which have made him something of a darling to the climate contrarian movement and climate denial enablers.

    In this post we will examine the claims made by Giaever in his talk, and show that his contrarian climate opinions come from a position of extreme ignorance on the subject, as Giaever admits. Giaever personifies the classic stereotype of the physicist who thinks he understands all scientific fields of study:

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    In his talk, Giaever complained that he had become famous for his climate contrarianism, which he claimed indicated that dissenting opinions on the subject are not welcome. On the contrary, Giaever has been criticized for repeating long-debunked climate myths which he could have easily learned about through a little bit of research – by perusing the Skeptical Science database, for example, where we have debunked all of his Googled climate misconceptions.

    Instead, Giaever has used his position of scientific authority as a Nobel Laureate to misinform people about a subject on which he has not even done the most basic research. That is not how a good scientist should behave, and that is why Giaever has rightfully and deservedly been criticized. Giaever finishes his talk by proclaiming

    “Is climate change pseudoscience? If I’m going to answer the question, the answer is: absolutely.”

    The problem is that Giaever has not done his homework, which is why he gets the wrong answer, and his presentation deserves a failing grade. Ironically, Giaever defines “pseudoscience” as only seeking evidence to confirm one’s desired hypothesis, which is precisely how Giaever himself has behaved with respect to climate science.

    Listening to Giaever’s opinions on climate science is equivalent to giving your dentist a pamphlet on heart surgery and asking him to crack your chest open. While climate science has a basis in phyiscs (and many other scientific fields of study), it is an entirely different subject, whose basics Giaever could undoubtedly grasp if he were willing to put the time in to do his homework.

    But individual scientists (even Nobel Laureates) suffer from cognitive biases like anyone else. That’s why we don’t rely on indvidual scientists or individual papers to draw conclusions about climate change. The only way to get an accurate picture is through the work of many scientists, peer reviewed and scrutinized over decades and tested against multiple lines of evidence. Giaever demonstrates how far cognitive bias – reinforced by a few hours of Googling – can lead anyone to the wrong conclusions, and also proves that no individual’s opinion, regardless of his credentials, can replace the full body of climate science evidence.

    Note: for climate-related talks at the same conference made by Nobel Laureates who have actually researched the topics in their presentations, see these videos of Paul Crutzen and Mario Molina:
    https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/31236/atmospheric-chemistry-and-climate-in-the-anthropocene-2012
    https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/31331/the-science-and-policy-of-climate-change-2012

    ;

    Main contributors to the video:
    1. Professor Tim Ball – Dept. of Climatology – University of Winnepeg, Canada
    2. Professor Nir Shaviv – Institute of Physics – University of Jerusalem, Israel
    3. Professor Ian Clark – Dept. of Earth Sciences – University of Ottawa, Canada
    4. Dr. Piers Corbyn, Solar Physicist, Climate Forecaster, Weather Action, UK
    5. Professor John Christy – Dept. of Atmospheric Science – University of Alabama, Huntsville – Lead Author, IPCC (NASA Medal – Exceptional Scientific Achievement)
    6. Professor Philip Stott – Dept of Biogeography – University of London, UK
    7. Al Gore – Former Presidental Candidate
    8. Margaret Thatcher – Global-Warming Promoter
    9. Professor Paul Reiter – IPCC & Pasteur Institute, Paris, France
    10. Professor Richard Lindzen – IPCC & M.I.T.
    11. Patrick Moore – Co-Founder – Greenpeace
    12. Dr. Roy Spencer – Weather Satellite Team Leader – NASA
    13. Professor Patrick Michaels – Department of Environmental Sciences – University of Virginia, US
    14. Nigel Calder – Former Editor – New Scientist
    15. James Shikwati – Economist & Author
    16. Lord Lawson of Blaby – Secretary of Energy – UK Parliament Investigator, UK
    17. Professor Syun-Ichi Akasofu – Director, International Arctic Research Centre
    18. Professor Fredrick Singer – Former Director, US National Weather Service
    19. Professor Carl Wunsch – Dept. of Oceanography – M.I.T., Harvard, University College, London, University of Cambridge, UK
    20. Professor Eigil Friis-Christensen – Director, Danish National Space Centre
    21. Dr. Roy Spencer – NASA Weather Satellite Team Leader
    22. Paul Driessen – Author: Green Power, Black Death

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  405. @Mevashir

    You’re not very attentive, are you ?

    At the 35 sec point of the video the Nobel Laureate is identified as Ivar Giaever.
    I haven’t heard what he’s said in the interim since the video was made BUT, with each passing day, the evidence mounts against AGW to the point that only a fool would still believe that mankind’s output of CO2 is having anything other than the most infinitesimal effect on the world’s climate.

    Not that it really matters. All the data points that were identified 20 years ago or more, CLEARLY show AGW to be a hoax.

    Be sure to watch the video I posted in comment # 407, because it shows the best of the best REAL and objective Climate scientists (like MIT’s Richard Lindzen, Tim Ball, Greenpeace co-founder Dr Patrick Moore and many others from the most prestigious tertiary institutions).

    Compare that to the has-beens with lesser qualifications that have been paid by the Zio cabal to talk up Climate Alarmism.

    All of the latter, to a man or woman, are devoid of integrity worthless people with worthless credentials.

  406. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You are a master of tact and diplomacy in the face of Mulga’s outrageous rhetoric.

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  407. Mevashir says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I am very attentive. However normally the title or at least description for a YouTube clip should name the featured speaker.

    You are a wellspring of good information but it will all be for nought. 9/11 killed the whole concept of objective scientific truth. Our society is completely doomed. Even Putin has gone on record about global warming, concerned about the melting permafrost in Siberia.

    It is no longer possible to reach a consensus about truth or reality, let alone to create coherent policies. All the talk on this website is just a bunch of mensturbation. No networking, no face-to-face contact, we’re all spitting into the wind and will make zero impact on the world around us.

    Notice that RU has not answered my question about why he accepts RFK Jr on HIV/AIDS and COVID but not on climate change.

    Pathetic

  408. Sparkon says:
    @Mevashir

    Notice that RU has not answered my question about why he accepts RFK Jr on HIV/AIDS and COVID but not on climate change.

    Don’t you think it is possible for any of us to be right about one thing, wrong about something else?

    For that reason, all issues must be evaluated strictly on their own merits without letting personality cult factors enter into the equation.

    As I see it, that is one of the great virtues of the Internet, where the faces don’t get in the way of the ideas.

  409. Ron Unz says:
    @Mevashir

    Notice that RU has not answered my question about why he accepts RFK Jr on HIV/AIDS and COVID but not on climate change.

    You are confused. RFK Jr. is hardly an expert on either of those issues, and I doubt he claims to be.

    The importance of the 200 pages of his book suggesting that HIV/AIDS was a hoax is that it was the first time I’d seriously encountered that idea. I found his material extremely interesting, but hardly conclusive. Indeed, he explicitly claims not to be taking a position on the controversy but merely presenting all sides.

    Therefore, his book persuaded me to then spend a few weeks investigating the issue for myself, carefully reading many hundreds of thousands of words of books and articles on the subject and watching many hours of video documentaries. Based upon all of that material, I concluded that Prof. Peter Duesberg had probably been correct for 35 years, and HIV/AIDS was indeed just a medical media hoax.

    Meanwhile, the Global Warming issue is entirely different, given that for decades it’s been so overwhelmingly promoted in all of our media. Why would I bother reading Kennedy’s book when I see the same material every day in all the newspapers?

    By contrast, the Koonin book is one of the very few on the other side, and I found it reasonably persuasive. Also, I’m friendly with Steve Hsu, who’s a very solid academic, and he endorsed it.

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  410. As I observed previously, where you found Koonin ‘reasonably persuasive’ there exists a plethora of reviews of his tome, by experts in the field, who tear it to shreds. Have you read any of those?
    Moreover, here in Austfailia, the MSM has been at best, complacent re. anthropogenic climate destabilisation. Sure, it exists, but we needn’t bother too much, particularly as we flog tens of billions in fossil fuels every year. Let our children and grandchildren deal with it. And that does not cover the Murdoch cancer (70% of print plus other media)and the AFR the business rag, both of which are FEROCIOUSLY denialist, and talk-back which is the same, and the other smaller empires which are tending more towards denial.
    This comes after the Black Summer of 2019-20 where the worst fires ever recorded ravaged the country and choked the major east coast cities in smoke for weeks, and the record (‘unprecedented’ as usual) east coast floods this year, still ongoing, with previous high-water levels broken by metres, and major towns inundated twice, and even thrice, in a matter of weeks.

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  411. @Mevashir

    It’s NOT rhetoric-it’s description. How relaxed and comfortable you meanswells are concerning human extinction.

  412. @Truth Vigilante

    Lying AGAIN-it’s a habit, isn’t it. Moore was NEVER a climate scientists, but a forestry and mining pollution investigator. But then he sold out science for filthy lucre, denouncing climate science and promoting GE crops, glyphosate (perhaps the deadliest toxin ever unleashed on the planet), rain-forest logging, nuclear energy etc-anything where industry will reward the propagandist. Your kinda guy, no doubt.
    The TINY cabal of denialist ‘scientists’ has not grown for years, while science moves on. I know this is now a matter of ego for you-admitting error is not in the narcissistic psychopath’s character formation. And still with the ‘Zio’ obsession, as if the dreaded and dreadful Jews control EVERYTHING, including the minds of tens of thousands of scientists, AND the melting montane glaciers, Arctic summer sea ice, permafrost, submarine methane clathrate etc.

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  413. @Mevashir

    Thanks for taking the time to make a list of all those prestigious scientists in the video that have debunked the AGW hoax.

    By anyone’s reckoning, they are some heavy hitters indeed.
    Meanwhile, in support of AGW, there are NO highly credentialled scientists coming out publicly.

    Yes, there are the usual unscrupulous nonentities like Michael Mann (he of the hockey stick fraudulent graph), but absolutely no one that is widely respected in the scientific community.

    The better scientists know that in the near future, when the general public have awakened from their MSM induced stupor, that publicly being associated with said scam will leave a legacy of incompetence and permanently stain their reputations.

  414. @Mevashir

    You write:

    All the talk on this website is just a bunch of mensturbation. No networking, no face-to-face contact, we’re all spitting into the wind and will make zero impact on the world around us.

    I started reading the Unz Review many years ago but only started commenting much later.
    I arrived with a pretty handy knowledge base about 9/11, the JFK coup d’etat and a variety of other topics accumulated over the years by accessing some of the most reliable sources – known truth-tellers with the utmost integrity.

    That said, that knowledge base has greatly expanded whilst engaging with the Unz Review (UR).
    It’s not just the quality of the articles that appear, but the high standard of the commentariat – who frequently have more insights to offer than the authors of the articles.

    These insights often send me down another rabbit hole where new truths are revealed.

    Make no mistake about this, the UR plays an important part in enlightening us all – not just those of us that read and engage in it.
    The things I learn from UR and my countless other sources are shared with friends and others whenever I strike up a conversation – and there have been countless such conversations over the years.
    Many have been dismissive and probably saw me as a conspiracy kook but, and this is very important, the fact that I brought up the 9/11 False Flag or the AGW fraud, this played the role of PLANTING A SEED in their mind that gave them reason to pause with their fixation in believing the official government narrative.
    Later on, after speaking to me on say 9/11, they’ll hopefully recall that I mentioned Building 7 and Lucky Larry Silverstein and how he miraculously had a doctor’s appointment on that morning and how Cantor Fitzgerald CEO Howard Lutnick also managed to be away, while over 600 of his employees perished that morning.

    Simply put, if I can get through to some portion of those I speak to (and I have enlightened more than a few over the years), they in turn can enlighten several themselves and so forth until a critical mass of the proles knows we’re being lied to on all the major geopolitical/Pandemic/foreign policy issues etc.

    I’m a bit wary of your motives for wanting face-to-face contact and to promote ‘networking’ – presumably to exchange emails with one another.
    That information would be very handy if forwarded to the ADL or some Mossad/Shin Bet agency that is building a data base of those enemies of Zion it wishes to target in future.

    Lastly, in relation to this query of yours:

    RU has not answered my question about why he accepts RFK Jr on HIV/AIDS and COVID but not on climate change

    … commenter Sparkon and Ron Unz answered that satisfactorily in their replies to you but I’d like to expand on that a little.

    There are only so many hours in the day and it goes without saying that none of us has the time or motivation to research all the issues in depth.
    RFK Jr has been single-mindedly focused on exposing the dangers of vaccine injury and environmental litigation issues in his capacity as a lawyer starting long before the Covid Psyop.

    As a lifelong democrat, RFK Jr’s peers and support base tend to have a disproportionate amount of rabid climate extremists in the mix.
    It would serve no purpose to alienate them in the event that he found the AGW matter to be a hoax so evidently he’s not looked into it in depth and just gone along with the party line.

    Similarly, two individuals I have enormous respect for are Dr Kevin Barrett and Jimmy Dore because they’re so good on many issues – and their sincerity and integrity are evident.
    Unfortunately, likely because of their long time association and support for the left, they have still not awakened to the AGW fraud – particularly so in the case of the latter.

    So, do we throw the baby out with the bath water because they’re not in 100% agreement with us on all issues ?

    Let’s turn the spotlight to you Mevashir.

    How is it that you’re awake to the 9/11 False Flag, you’re waking up to the AGW hoax, but somehow you have not cottoned on to the obvious absurdities about the official Holocaust narrative, when even Blind Freddie can see that there were NO gas chambers used by the Germans in WWII, there was no systematic extermination programme against Jewry and that Zyklon B was clearly ONLY used to delouse the clothing of inmates ?

  415. @mulga mumblebrain

    You wrote:

    And still with the ‘Zio’ obsession, as if the dreaded and dreadful Jews control EVERYTHING, including the minds of tens of thousands of scientists, AND the melting montane glaciers …

    .

    Well let’s do a forensic analysis on this.

    The ENTIRETY of the western media (with the sole exception of Murdoch’s News Corporation/Fox network), has been in LOCKSTEP support of the AGW hoax.

    Now, WHO owns the western MSM ?

    The SAME people/entities that were lockstep in promoting the Covid Psyop (the WEF, the EU Parliament, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, Justin Trudeau, Joe Biden, NZ’s Jacinda Ardern etc), are the SAME PEOPLE advocating for action on the alleged AGW.

    And they do it for the SAME REASONS.

    ie: CONTROL, their personal ENRICHMENT, IMPOVERISHMENT of the masses, a DEPOPULATION agenda.

    We KNOW the Zio cabal own the western MSM. So my question to you Mulga, WHY would they lend out their precious MSM to a LESSER cabal in pursuit of someone else’s agenda ?
    What’s in it for the Zio cabal ?

    You claim I have a ‘Zio obsession’ but all I do is FOLLOW THE MONEY.

    If said money trail led to the Jesuits, the Freemasons or the Vatican, I would gladly say so.
    But it assuredly DOES NOT.

    I keep banging on about this but it’s SO CRUCIAL that it must be repeated.

    Which cabal has even one-0ne hundredth the FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL of the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (aka the Zio cabal) ?

    The Zio cabal have assets worth MULTIPLES OF U.S GDP and, in addition to that, their ownership of the Federal Reserve and control/ownership over the other major western central banks allows them to print/digitally create TRILLIONS more with a key stroke – which they regularly do and dole it out between themselves.

    It is my contention, and there is a DELUGE of evidence to support it, that ALL THE MAJOR WORLD CHANGING EVENTS (WWI & II, JFK coup d’etat, 9/11, AGW, Covid Psyop etc) are/were ORCHESTRATED BY THE ZIO CABAL and done for the express purpose of ENRICHING THEMSELVES while simultaneously disempowering/depopulating/impoverishing those that stand in their way of world hegemony.

    If you disagree with that Mulga, here is your chance to tell us all which entity other than the Zio cabal is behind all of these things – and be sure to furnish the evidence supporting said assertion.

    Either you PUT UP or SHUT UP.

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  416. Mevashir says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the clarification. But I don’t really understand why you find Kennedy reliable as a COVID HIV/AIDS skeptic when he’s completely on board with the standard climate change narrative. The book I mentioned he did not actually write but he wrote the Forward and passionately endorsed the ensuing material. He quite vehemently denounced climate change deniers the fossil fuel industry etc.

    I guess I should never have asked you the question because RFK Jr is not a holocaust denier while you are. That should have made my question to you moot.

  417. @Ron Unz

    You wrote:

    By contrast, the Koonin book is one of the very few on the other side, and I found it reasonably persuasive

    Ron, I suggest you read this book from Emeritus Professor Tim Ball:

    Or try this:

    Especially in the case of Prof Tim Ball, his prestigious background and scientific standing were SO DAMAGING to the AGW narrative, that they tried to destroy his career and took legal action against him saying that he was peddling falsehoods.

    But he certainly wasn’t saying anything false and once the evidence for his assertion was presented in court, so overwhelming was the tsunami of proof offered that he won a landmark case against the Climate alarmists.

    I urge all UR readers to take the time to listen to this great man in this audio only podcast.
    Emeritus Prof Tim Ball is a thoroughly decent and honest man, someone who is much to be admired for standing up for the truth:

    http://delingpoleworld.com/dr-tim-ball/

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  418. Ron Unz says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    As I observed previously, where you found Koonin ‘reasonably persuasive’ there exists a plethora of reviews of his tome, by experts in the field, who tear it to shreds. Have you read any of those?

    Well, upthread I’d asked you to point me to a couple of the negative reviews of the Koonin book that you found the most convincing, and I never heard back from you.

    Meanwhile, someone else upthread gave me links to a half-dozen reviews, both positive and negative, and I read them all. However, none of them seemed very substantial, so they didn’t impact my views one way or the other.

    If you claim that reviews by “experts in the field” have torn Koonin’s book to “shreds” just give me the links, and I’ll read them.

  419. @Truth Vigilante

    Tim Ball, a new denialist hero-the first for some time. He claims to be a climate scientist, but was, in fact, a Professor of geography. Ball claimed 51 research papers, but most were not in scientific journals, but in gardening magazines and the like. Four were listed in ‘Web of Science’ a comprehensive encyclopedia of science research, but NONE were on climate or atmospheric research.
    He is also against the teaching of evolution and appears to be a Creationist. He claims that science, evolution and environmentalism are ‘religions’ and asserts that the Bible is as proven as science.
    A Canadian climatologist, Andrew Weaver, sued Ball for libel, but in 2018 the case was dismissed because Ball’s attacks were deemed so stupid and inept that they could not be considered libelous or a threat to Weaver’s reputation. The court thus ruled that Ball was stupid and inept, or pretending to be so. But the BC Court of Appeal rejected that ruling, finding that Ball’s maunderings met all the tests of defamatory comment, and returned the case to the lower Court in 2020. So he did NOT ‘win his case’ as you lyingly assert, and may yet face a nice payout. No wonder a stupid and inept denialist like you treats him as an ‘expert’. The moronic leading the moron.

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  420. @Truth Vigilante

    So your pet paranoid delusion (paranoia is central to the Rightwing Authoritarian Personality type)the omnipresent ‘Zios’ ALSO ‘control’ science do they? The ‘control’ ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth, do they? They ‘control’ 97% of climate scientists and peer-reviewed climatology research do they?
    And they control montane glaciers, Arctic summer sea ice, West Antarctic and Greenland ice-sheets and glaciers, permafrost and submarine glaciers, ALL melting, do they? They cause the mega-drought, the worst for 1200 years, in south-West USA, do they? And they spread the march of pine beetles, destroying North American conifer forests, and other pests, too, do they? Ny God (sorry, Yahweh) such power!!
    PS, while the Murdochites and others are fiercely and dishonestly denialist, and carry out trade-mark vicious vendettas against the likes of Tim Flannery, the rest of the MSM is hardly really concerned about climate destabilisation. They mention it occasionally, always downplaying it, and catastrophes like the recent Great Barrier Reef bleaching, the fifth or sixth since 1998 when the first one in recorded history occurred, are Memory Holed in days, and Panglossian imbecility and optimism returns. Realism is bad for ‘consumer confidence’. Let’s face it-you, the morons, have won. Enjoy your Pyrrhic victory-while you can.

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  421. Mevashir says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    He is also against the teaching of evolution and appears to be a Creationist. He claims that science, evolution and environmentalism are ‘religions’ and asserts that the Bible is as proven as science.

    This is a very important observation. I used to be involved with the Creationist movement. But I found that people like Phillip Johnson (a law school professor) and others at the Discovery Institute are exceedingly dishonest. For example they will accept the geological and evolutionary time-frame and discuss life forms that appeared 500 million years ago but then claim that they appeared simultaneously (the Cambrian Explosion) meaning that they could not have evolved but were created instantaneously by Divine Fiat.

    Think about it. They appear to accept that the earth is billions of years old, that humans go back far longer than the six thousand years of the biblical chronology, but then instead of admitting this proves that the bible creation story is not a scientific depiction but an allegory they use this information from the scientists to attack science! I have written to these people to ask them what they actually believe in if they accept the old earth argument of science but not evolution. They never bothered to reply.

    So my point is if Tim Ball is a Creationist that should be a HUGE red flag.

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    Cole Hiser
    1.0 out of 5 stars Nonsensical argument riddled with errors
    Reviewed in the United States on December 15, 2021
    If you are truly looking for all of the facts, read about Ball himself—spoiler: he’s not the brave lone wolf he claims to be. First of all, his PhD is not even in climatology like it says on the back of the book, it is in geography which includes no climate or atmospheric science. Rather than providing a counter argument to the wide range of publically available climate data showing a clear trend, Ball goes after individual scientists. Multiple defamation suits have been filed against him, but the hysterical truth is that judges have dropped some of the cases concluding that any reasonable person would not believe Ball’s nonsensical arguments. The book reads more as a parody than an actual scientific counter argument.
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    Derek A Phillips
    1.0 out of 5 stars Dr. Tim Ball is a Fraud
    Reviewed in the United States on February 27, 2020
    This book is completely nonsense. His reputation has been tainted by his affiliation with the Fossil Fuel industry. He receives funding particularly from Friends of Science, whose scientific advisory board he sits on. This organization is known to receive a 3rd of their funding from the fossil fuel industry. He never won any court case against Mann. It was dismissed because his case was so asinine that nobody could take it seriously. If you want to know more about actual climate science, your best bet would be to stick with climate scientists who aren’t corrupted by disinformation campaigns from the fossi fuel industries and sham organizations like “Friends of Science”. This man is a fraud. Don’t waste your money.
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    DaveC
    1.0 out of 5 stars Tim Ball is a total Fraud !!
    Reviewed in the United States on October 10, 2018
    “Dr.” Tim Ball is a total fraud. He is not truthful about his credentials. He has worked for the oil industries. In fact a libel lawsuit against him by an actual climatologist was dismissed because the judge determined his slobbering drivel was not credible enough to do harm.
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    Dennis Rodgers
    1.0 out of 5 stars Mr Ball has included most if not all of the …
    Reviewed in the United States on July 12, 2014
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    Mr Ball has included most if not all of the important information to make the case that Global Warming is a hoax and a scam. Sadly, however, the writing is just awful. There are numerous repetitions as each chapter repeats the same ideas – and in some cases by using the same words – as in one or more prior chapters. I had to put it down several times and clear my head before returning to it.
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    Elady51
    1.0 out of 5 stars One Star
    Reviewed in the United States on September 9, 2017
    An unfounded personal attack on the integrity of science and scientists. If there is any corruption, it’s Tim Ball.
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    William A. Pratt
    1.0 out of 5 stars The Only Corruption comes from the Elephant in the Room
    Reviewed in the United States on December 4, 2016
    This book is typical climate-denier nonsense with inaccurately reported science, ignoring for personal reasons the millions from the petroleum industry that fuels the only hoax (as in deliberate deception). As for politicization of the issue, this is a primo case of the pot calling the kettle black. Here is the simple fact of global warming: CO2 levels have increased above any rate seen from air bubbles trapped in ancient ice and this sharp rise is coincidental to the industrial age. This accelerated increase exceeds all previous fluctuations. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. What part of this do you not understand? Most of the dense (usable) part of the atmosphere is scarcely more than ten miles thick. Climatologists have already calculated for natural change, so don’t try to throw that wrench. It is laughable that a conspiracy could be funded by modestly salaried scientists, Al Gore, Green Party members et al compared to the propaganda funds & bribes to Congress available from the Largest Industry on Earth. These people are concerned about the welfare of the planet, not world government. The vast majority of climatologists are in general accord in a scientific consensus. I will trust them before I will trust oil/coal execs who chief motive is profit and nothing else.
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    Sam’s Mommy
    1.0 out of 5 stars Poorly written, poorly researched, absolutely unconvincing.
    Reviewed in the United States on August 5, 2014
    Is there anything less than one star??? This book is almost impossible to read, because it is so poorly written. Every “argument” is the same. “Person A says this, but don’t believe him, because he’s an idiot, and here’s where to find an article that says so.” “Person B says that, but she’s an idiot because of who agrees with her, and here’s where to find an article that says so.” “Person C says this, and you should believe him because he’s a genius, because he agrees with me on several issues. Here’s where to find an article that says how great he is.”

    Some of what Tim Ball says might very well be true, but this ridiculous diatribe would slam and lock even the most open mind. And it seems as though that’s what he wants.

    This book was not written to convince anyone of anything. This book is a convenient compilation of quotes by Tim Ball, to be used by people who have already bought what he’s selling, to “prove” their point with handy one liners, to people who will never check the references.

    If there is any truth to any of the arguments in this book, a responsible, intelligent, and literate person has a duty to write a new book that people can actually read.
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    Max Kummerow
    1.0 out of 5 stars It may be that the reason we haven’t heard any …
    Reviewed in the United States on December 23, 2014
    It may be that the reason we haven’t heard any signals from civilizations anywhere in the universe is that planets with enough carbon to support life develop life forms that burn carbon, heating up their planets enough to destroy life. If that sounds crazy, consider that Venus’s surface is about 450 centigrade (hot enough to melt lead, way above boiling point of water–our bodies are 70% water). There is about the same amount of carbon on this planet, but most of it is dissolved in the oceans or deposited underground as fossil fuels. So far. This book is about the corruption of climate science all right, but in the opposite direction to the author’s argument.
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    Tyson Adams
    1.0 out of 5 stars Lack of expert opinion
    Reviewed in the United States on April 29, 2014
    Whenever I look for information on a topic, I look to experts who are honest, impartial, and have a long history of scientific research in the field they are commenting upon. Tim Ball measures up as an expert in climate science, except for the long history of scientific research, and the money he accepts from oil companies doesn’t make him impartial, and he’s on the boards of think tanks and lobbyists run by oil companies, and then there is that entire lie about being the first climatology PhD….. Aside from that, he sure is knowledgeable and expert-y. Well, aside from that getting basic points of science wrong and being at odds with 99% of the science on the subject of climate change and CFCs.

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    Bryant Lister
    1.0 out of 5 stars A book bought and paid for by ExxonMobil and the American Petroleum Institute
    Reviewed in the United States on May 10, 2014
    Tim Ball is a front for the fossil fuel industry and has made a career of being a spokesperson for poisoning the planet. His writings are nothing more than talking points created to further the greed of the fossil fuel industry. It’s ironic that the cover of his book depicts a payoff, because that is exactly how Dr. Ball’s opinions are formed, based on who pays him.

    Climate Follower
    1.0 out of 5 stars pure wingnuttery
    Reviewed in the United States on February 23, 2014
    this book is a joke. Ball is a joke. just google “Tim Ball first climatology degree”.

    According to the website DeSmogBlog:

    “On September 1st, Ball launched a libel suit against Dr. Dan Johnson and the Calgary Herald over a letter the paper ran on April 23, 2006. Johnson is a Professor of Environmental Science at the University of Lethbridge.

    Ball had written an article that attacked the qualifications of renowned climate change author Tim Flannery, in which the Herald described Ball as “the first climatology PhD in Canada and . . . a professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years.”

    Johnson’s letter to the editor challenged those details, noting that when Ball received his PhD (in Geography) in 1983, “Canada already had PhDs in climatology and it is important to recognize them and their research.” Johnson also pointed out that Ball had been a professor for a much shorter time (Ball later admitted eight years), during which Ball did “not show any evidence of research regarding climate and atmosphere.”

    The Calgary Herald’s Statement of Defence, filed with the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench, dismissed Ball’s credibility saying that “The Plantiff (Dr. Ball) is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist.”

    Ball subsequently dropped his lawsuit.”
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    1.0 out of 5 stars Not really scientific
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    This was more of an opinion piece and “science “ should have been left out of the title
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    Eric Yardley
    1.0 out of 5 stars One Star
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    Nothing as unscientific as a Bible thumper what a let down !
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    J. Barrett
    1.0 out of 5 stars A cynical and ignorant rant
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 31, 2015
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    Tim Ball’s book is a cynical and ignorant rant against the current understanding of the greenhouse effect. Some criticisms follow.
    TB: Global warming due to overpopulation accepts the assumption that human addition of CO2 to the atmosphere is the cause and that adding more people will produce more CO2. Not only is this claim wrong, but also CO2 in total is not the cause. How many times does it have to be said that temperature increases before CO2 in every single record?
    JB: Before human activity any natural change in global temperature was indeed followed by appropriate changes in CO2 and consequential further temperature changes. A natural temperature decrease is accompanied by more CO2 dissolving in the ocean and a further temperature decrease ensues. A natural temperature increase is accompanied by more CO2 entering the atmosphere from the ocean and contributing to a further temperature increase. The increase in atmospheric CO2 since the beginning of the industrial revolution has caused global temperature to rise by about 0.9°C due to its spectral properties. To deny this is to deny the underlying physics.
    TB: Chapter 6; Structure and procedures of the IPCC were designed to prove that human production of CO2 was causing global warming. They did not do as Popper said and falsify the theory. They deliberately thwarted the scientific method.
    JB: This is a misunderstanding of the role of the IPCC and of Popper’s philosophy which was to test theories by attempting to falsify them. There is nothing false about the physics of global warming.
    TB: Toward the end of Chapter 9: AGW advocates and governments talk about reducing greenhouse gas, but they mean CO2. Few know it is less than 4% of all the greenhouse gases and the human portion is just a fraction of the 4%. Indeed, the amount we produce is within the error factor of the estimates of three natural sources.
    JB: The values are incorrect. The atmospheric concentrations of the main greenhouse gases are well known. CO2 represents 18% by volume, not 4%. The human input of CO2 by fossil fuel burning is 30% of the current 400 ppmv; 5.4% of the total greenhouse gas concentration. The effectiveness of the greenhouse gases is known. They are effective because they strongly absorb radiation given out by the surface and the atmosphere, thus increasing the time that energy stays in the system and that causes the system to be warmer. Estimates of the contributions of greenhouse gases to global warming indicate that of water vapour is 50% and that of CO2 is 19%. Clouds contribute 25% and all the rest account for only 7%.
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    Peter Davies
    1.0 out of 5 stars A huge disappointment
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 3, 2014
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    This book was a huge disappointment. Apart from the other aspects below it was poorly written with bad English and one section contained repeated paragraphs – all of which should have been spotted by a competent reviewer or proof reader before publication.

    The back page says that Tim Ball is a highly qualified an experienced academic with expertise in climatology, but there are a number of basic science errors early which you would not expect a PhD such as Tim to make. Just a couple of examples are covered below.

    Tim says that there is no way of telling whether humans are responsible for the rise in CO2 in the atmosphere, but carbon dating is a well-established science relying on there being more than one carbon isotope, and it can readily be used to distinguish between carbon in CO2 from burning of fossil fuels which have been buried for millions of years and carbon which has been circulating above ground more recently and therefore exposed to cosmic rays.

    Further, he claims that 380 ppm (parts per million) of CO2 is negligible and cannot possibly be causing a greenhouse effect and therefore global warming, but doesn’t tell us that if you equate the atmospheric pressure to that from 10 metres of water, then 380 ppm is equivalent to a layer of CO2 liquid or solid 3.8 mm thick. The glass in a real greenhouse containing real plants is about this thick, it retains heat very well, and you would expect that it would retain significantly more heat if it had a double layer of glass (equivalent to doubling CO2). So on a very cursory inspection this statement falls down, as do so many others.

    Tim is also very selective about the information he provides. He says that temperatures have not changed over the last 17 years, but does not tell us that this is based on using the RSS temperature data set based on satellite measurements, whereas if you use the other satellite data set, UAH, or either of the other two major complete surface measurement data sets (GISTEMP, Cowtan and Way) then temperatures have increased over 17 years.

    He tells us that climate models cannot possibly be accurate because none of them includes all possible climate effects, but omits the information that the subset of effects included in each model is different and yet they still all give similar predictions.

    There are many other examples of cherry picking and lack of a balanced picture of the science in this book.

    One amusing aspect is that Tim spends a considerable portion of the book attacking Michael Mann (of climate hockey stick fame) and the CRU (Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia), and yet has the gall to ask the reader why these scientists believe they need public relations consultants!!! The answer must have been literally staring him in the face for the whole of the time he was working on this book!

    If you have a reasonable understanding of general science or like to check basic facts on Wikipedia or elsewhere then your confidence in the statements and therefore conclusions in this book will swiftly ebb away, although it then becomes an interesting exposition of how Tim Ball thinks.

    The book is clearly aimed at those who already believe there is no truth in human-induced climate change science, seek confirmation of this view, and are either unlikely or unwilling to check on any of the supposed facts presented in the book.

    If you are looking for a book which puts up a reasonable case for disputing the scientific consensus on climate change then this book is not it, and you should look elsewhere.
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    CHRISTOPHER MERRON
    1.0 out of 5 stars An illegitimate argument fails the logic test
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 13, 2014
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    If you have no evidence to support your argument then try to discredit the opposition. This book is a classic case of ad hominim contention. It will be music to the ears of AGW deniers but for anyone else, it should only appear on your fiction shelf. I am not trying to discourage anyone from buying the book; it is an amusing read and should be on the philosophy and logic curriculum as an example of how not to present an argument.
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    Dr D Richards
    1.0 out of 5 stars Much Politics, little science
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 3, 2015
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    This book is primarily about the attempt by the IPCC and the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University to distort or hide information that does not support the belief that human activity is adversely affecting the climate. Most of the content is not new and although putting the information together in an interesting, though repetitive manner, adds little to the debate.

    The author repeatedly claims, or implies — I’m not sure of his intention — that human activity is having little effect. But, in my view little concrete evidence is presented to support this view. The main evidence is that in the distant past there have been periods when global temperature rises have preceded increases in the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide: but, the author never explains why a rapid and significant increase in this concentration cannot increase global temperatures.

    The main argument appears to be that because many influential bodies have attempted to distort the truth, then everything they claim is false.
    In short, a book about the bad behaviour of some scientists and politicians, but which sheds no light on the important problem of how much human activity is affecting the climate.

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  422. Mevashir says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    And they control montane glaciers, Arctic summer sea ice, West Antarctic and Greenland ice-sheets and glaciers, permafrost and submarine glaciers, ALL melting, do they? They cause the mega-drought, the worst for 1200 years, in south-West USA, do they? And they spread the march of pine beetles, destroying North American conifer forests, and other pests, too, do they? Ny God (sorry, Yahweh) such power!!

    It should be obvious why they control this narrative: to force people to buy the liquor that the Jews control as well. If we run out of water and are full of anxiety then the only solution is to turn to Bronfman’s and other Jewish distilleries to drown our sorrows. Awesome business model!

  423. @Mevashir

    You can see why he impresses TV. An alpha moron is like a God to an epsilon like TV. Too stupid to realise just how dumb he is-the Dunning-Krugerite.

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  424. Mevashir says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I don’t think TV is stupid at all. In fact I suspect he’s smarter than Tim Ball. But TV has confirmation bias. He’s already made up his mind what he wants to believe and looks for prestigious names to support his theory.

  425. JR Foley says:
    @anarchyst

    The paths of glory lead but to the grave. You can NOT serve 2 masters . You will hate one and Love the other. Nature has been at work since day 1 —how are the volcanoes doing under the Poles and ocean depths —where REAL heat is happening.

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  426. @Mevashir

    Emeritus Professor Tim Ball is a very intelligent man and few of us are remotely in his league.

    Moreover, Tim Ball is a spokesman for the other genuine objective Climate scientists (eg: Richard Lindzen, William Happer and the rest), and he was conveying THEIR findings which eviscerated the AGW hoax.

    Because Tim Ball’s information was so punishing to the Climate Alarmists, the Zio cabal went into DAMAGE CONTROL MODE and unleashed a tidal wave of HASBARA TROLLS to give his book a one star rating and smear him.

    Whether you come up with fifty smears from trolls or fifty thousand, is neither here nor there.
    These people were PAID to write that nonsense.

    That you and Mulga are gullible enough to attach credibility to said fools, is an indictment on your intelligence (or lack thereof).

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  427. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    Yeah the network thing is a strong effect.

    It is, however, bizarre to me that an alleged social animal has to be commanded by god, on pain of eternal damnation, to go talk to their neighbours. You have to do this whole smoke-and-mirrors song and dance to get folks to talk to each other? What?

    Is it not blindingly clear to anyone else that a neighbourhood without regular neighbourhood meetups is not a neighbourhood, but simply a collection of individual strangers set uncomfortably close together?

    I was thinking of how it came to pass that in a Protestant country such as America Jews and Catholics have come to completely dominate our society.

    Nietzsche was right. Slave morality; they demanded to be dominated and domination was supplied. You can tell by supplying a small amount of domination yourself; they love that. If you instead offer them freedom, they recoil violently from the implied responsibility. Do it too seriously and you genuinely risk being beaten up.

    Jews aren’t really in power, though. They’re praetorian guard. They are golems and scapegoats, as per the historical norm. E.g. kings have been very fond of taking out huge loans and then, when this destroys their economy and reveals they’re deadbeats, they expel the Jews they took the loans out from, blaming it on so-called usury. How convenient.

    Gee, why do Jews get rich when the Weimar republic keeps buying their loans, using sovereign tax farms as collateral. Truly, the world is a mysterious place.

    Generally you get got coming and going. The State makes a set of parasite sinecures, then the Jews use their high verbal IQ to weasel into the parasite sinecures and everyone is surprised even though this happens literally every time.

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  428. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    Oh heck that’s why the Amish ban cars.

    If you have a car you can drive to a church 50 miles away….thus being forced to network with folks you will literally never otherwise meet.

    This is important because I’m designing a techno-Amish discipline. Respecting the spirit of the rules instead of the letter. Thus my rule is: you can own a car but you can’t use it to drive to church. Likewise you can’t take a bus to church. Have to walk. Maybe bike.

    (I likewise have elaborate Torah-like rules about using the internet, and even telephones.)

  429. @Alrenous

    You wrote:

    Jews aren’t really in power, though. They’re praetorian guard.

    The Zio cabal has a net worth of multiples of U.S GDP – at a minimum.
    In addition to that, their ownership of the Federal Reserve and other western central banks allows them to print/digitally create scores of trillions more with a key stroke.

    All the other cabals in the world COMBINED (the Jesuits, Freemasons, Vatican, and the next hundred etc) , don’t have even a fraction of that kind of worth.

    Are you telling me there exists a cabal that is richer still ?

    Pray tell, who might that be and WHAT PROOF do you have that this higher entity possesses more?
    I’m all ears.

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  430. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    I’m all ears.

    Bullshit.

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  431. Global warming — well, nonsense.

    There is no myth regarding US citizens and their cars. They love them and them despite rising prices.

    The reason the electric cars has failed is because it simply could not compete with the viability of gas operated vehicles. There was no conspiracy to kill electric cars gas was simply more efficient, cheaper and more powerful period.

    The ave3rage cost of a car today spiked because of the rather careless response to the virus — which by every measure was and remains totally inept. Furthermore no amount of jacked up prices is going to kill the desire for US citizens to buy cars.

    My car lasted almost 30n years before it was in need of major repairs minus warranty.

    The average electric car is \$51,000

    The average gas powered car is roughly is \$36,000

    The gas powered vehicle remains the best vehicle when compared to electric cars.

    Maybe some day when electric cars are more affordable, efficient and sustainable, they will break the market.

    Here’s what is more important, the average car buyer doesn’t need to buy a new car. The prices for used cars are far more affordable and will last with basic upkeep for more than fifteen years.

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    If there is any conspiracy it is that the current admin and their little cavalcade of fear mongering priviliged insiders preach about global warming without the science to back it up – especially that is primary cause is man made emissions.

    and I have every intention of repairing it whether I ever drive it again or not.

    ———————————-

  432. @Truth Vigilante

    I invite everyone to Google Tim Ball, particularly RationalWiki, and see what a truly bizarre figure he is. In my opinion he can easily be called a FRAUD-which is why a Dunning-Krugerite like TV is so easily taken in, not being sharp enough to see that his latest idol has feet, legs and torso of clay. His head appears to be made of more calculating stuff-play-dough, perhaps. And that is very, very, dull altogether.

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  433. @JR Foley

    Another denialist imbecile. They breed like flies.

  434. @Mevashir

    Well I believe that thinking that idiotic untruth is revealed wisdom is a sign of stupidity-or something far worse.

  435. “Another denialist imbecile. They breed like flies.”

    The earth may indeed be warming as it has warmed and cooled repeatedly throughout time. But I am curious, tell me the volumes of gasses that contribute to the earth’s atmosphere naturally via those by man made industry.

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  436. @Alrenous

    Mr Intravenous, you made a big claim by saying that ‘Jews aren’t really in power’, so we’re all waiting for your answer.

    Who then is the world political/financial power that rules in the shadows ?

  437. @mulga mumblebrain

    You write:

    I invite everyone to Google Tim Ball, particularly RationalWiki, and see what a truly bizarre figure he is.

    Google is a tool of the establishment. Only fools use it. I use Yandex exclusively.

    As for RationalWiki, if ever there was an entity that speaks for the PTB, this is it.
    You might as well reference CNN in the same breath.
    As bad as Wikipedia is, RationalWiki takes irrationality to another level. Check out what it has to say on ANY issue of geopolitical/pandemic/AGW related significance and you’d swear you first heard it from Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates or Dick Cheney himself.

    And Mulga, the sheer irony that you, of all people should keep mentioning the Dunning-Kruger effect.
    If ever there was a poster boy for the D-K effect, YOU are it.

    You have cognitive bias, the entirety of what you know about AGW comes courtesy of establishment sources like Brian Cox and Tim Flannery and the imbecilic eco-loons.
    (Watch the last 30-40 secs of this video for Alan Jones’ take on ‘that dope Tim Flannery’):

    Your fixation with Marxism and extreme left ideology prevents you from objective assessment of any data.

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  438. @EliteCommInc.

    correction:ut I am curious, tell me the volumes of gasses that contribute to the earth’s atmosphere naturally as opposed to those by man made industry.

  439. @Truth Vigilante

    Your pathopsychological projection is complete. And you openly cite Alan Jones as a source-you don’t mind making a laughing-stock of yourself.

  440. bwuce wee says:
    @anarchyst

    this commenter is correct: ‘fossil’ fuels do not exist. rock eating bacteria excrete petroleum. petroleum is entirely and completely renewable as long as there are rocks for this bacteria to feed on, and the earth’s crust is 1000 miles thick! other useful bacteria produce alchohol from plant sugars in the same manner, they eat the sugar and excrete alchohol. vinegar, same deal, the bacteria eats alchohol and excretes vinegar. bacteria produce yogurt from milk, bread from flour and water, and saurkraut from cabbage. bactera is the future. if we are ever to colonize space for whatever reasons, we will need to bring only bacteria with us, and the bacteria can produce substances for food and fuel. that is the future. if you want to colonize another planet, stop spending money on weapons and robots and AI to kill all humans, and research how bacteria can produce whatever we require from raw materials. if you are religious, you should realize that your god created bacteria for some good reason… bacteria are animals, just like us, they breathe oxygen and exhale CO2. harvard researchers recently created a bacteria that does the reverse, breathes CO2 and exhales oxygen, as plants do. so potentially, bacteria can be created to do almost anything! so really, bacteria is the frontier, and the future of successful off-planet enterprises depends on this science. and now for a word from our sponsor, neosporin.