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Many literary classics you encounter too early in life, often as a class assignment in college or even high school. With almost no life experience, you can’t fully grasp their deeper meanings. Nothing prevents you from rereading them much later, however, and a masterful work should be revisited again and again.

I don’t know how secure Hemingway is in the contemporary canon, but if you’re over 35-years-old, say, you’re likely to have read, if only sloppily, his “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber.” Let’s reexamine this story.

A high-society American couple, Francis and Margot Macomber, went to Africa to experience big game hunting. There, they’re guided by Robert Wilson, an Englishman.

The story begins with all three having lunch after killing their first lion. The mood is tense and subdued, however. Something is wrong. Even after it’s spelled out, on page four, that Francis has just “shown himself, very publicly, to be a coward,” we still don’t know what happened.

So we’re dealing with its aftermath, which includes Margot seeing Francis and Wilson in new lights.

Throughout the story, much is made of Wilson’s ruddy complexion. Margot noticed this with pleasure whenever she looked at him, and flirting with the man, remarked about this repeatedly, to the point where Wilson had to protest, “I say, you wouldn’t like to drop my beauty as a topic, would you?”

Unlike her husband, Wilson was a white man with big brown hands and a very red face, and one who could calmly handle savage dangers. At home in Africa and speaking Swahili, Wilson was a white man of color.

Taking a dig at her husband, Margot purred to Wilson, “And I want so to see you perform again. You were lovely this morning. That is if blowing things’ heads off is lovely.”

What’s wrong with Francis Macomber? Nothing, really. No worse than you or me, he’s likely a few grades better.

Hemingway, “Francis Macomber was very tall, very well built if you did not mind that length of bone, dark, his hair cropped like an oarsman, rather thin-lipped, and was considered handsome.” He’s not weather beaten, though, like Wilson. Francis had an “American face that would stay adolescent until it became middle-aged.”

More, “He was very wealthy, and would be much wealthier, and he knew she would not leave him ever now. That was one of the few things that he really knew. He knew about that, about motor cycles—that was earliest—about motor cars, about duck-shooting, about fishing, trout, salmon and big-sea, about sex in books, many books, too many books, about all court games, about dogs, not much about horses, about hanging on to his money, about most of the other things his world dealt in, and about his wife not leaving him.”

Though a renowned beauty, Margot was no longer young, and Francis was simply too rich.

Civilized and domesticated, Francis Macomber was simply out of his elements in the African bush. The night before the lion hunt, he heard the lion roaring somewhere nearby and was terrified. In the morning, this fear increased because it was almost time to confront this lion.

Hemingway:

“What’s the matter, Francis?” his wife asked him.

“Nothing,” Macomber said.

“Yes, there is,” she said.

“What are you upset about?”

“Nothing,” he said.

“Tell me,” she looked at him. “Don’t you feel well?”

“It’s that damned roaring,” he said.

“It’s been going on all night, you know.”

“Why didn’t you wake me,” she said. “I’d love to have heard it.”

“I’ve got to kill the damned thing,” Macomber said, miserably.

“Well, that’s what you’re out here for, isn’t it?”

“Yes. But I’m nervous. Hearing the thing roar gets on my nerves.”

“Well then, as Wilson said, kill him and stop his roaring.”

“Yes, darling,” said Francis Macomber. “It sounds easy, doesn’t it?”

“You’re not afraid, are you?”

“Of course not. But I’m nervous from hearing him roar all night.”

Terrified, he’s reduced to a boy seeking reassurance and encouragement from his mom. He’d rather be somewhere much safer, it’s clear.

They went out to look for the lion. Finding him easily, it was time for Francis to shoot, except he didn’t want to get out. Ridiculously, he wanted to target the beast from inside the car, but Wilson said no to that. It’s just not done.

Out, Francis’ hands shook and his legs could barely move, but he managed to get into position, aimed and fired, yet nothing happened. He had forgotten to move the safety over. Finally ready, Francis fired three shots, with two hitting the lion, but not in optimal places. Infuriated, the hurt lion disappeared into some high grass to await his revenge.

Neither Wilson nor the black gun bearers were happy with this outcome. Now, they had to wait for the beast to weaken before pouncing on his hiding place to finish him off.

Dreading this, Francis absurdly suggested they set the grass on fire, send some boys in to flush the lion out, or just leave. Shamelessly, Francis even told Wilson out right, “I don’t want to go in there.” So don’t, Wilson replied, “That’s what I’m hired for, you know. That’s why I’m so expensive.”

This was no real option, however, because Margot was right there, just across the stream. Slinking back to her would crush Francis, but what ended up happening was even worse.

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Hemingway, “Kongoni, the old gun-bearer, in the lead watching the blood spoor, Wilson watching the grass for any movement, his big gun ready, the second gun-bearer looking ahead and listening, Macomber close to Wilson, his rifle cocked, they had just moved into the grass when Macomber heard the blood-choked coughing grunt, and saw the swishing rush in the grass. The next thing he knew he was running; running wildly, in panic in the open, running toward the stream.”

Going back, Margot refused to look at Francis or even hold his hand. Instead, she leaned over the front seat to kiss Wilson on the lips, while cooing about “The beautiful red-faced Mr. Robert Wilson.”

Worse, Margot slipped into Wilson’s tent that very night. She craved more of his performance. Waking up at 3 in the morning to find his wife’s cot empty, Francis waited for her to return. Just as with the lion, Francis shrank from another challenge to his manhood. No confrontation, please.

Hemingway:

“Where have you been?”

“I just went out to get a breath of air.”

“You did, like hell.”

“What do you want me to say, darling?”

“Where have you been?”

“Out to get a breath of air.”

“That’s a new name for it. You are a bitch.”

“Well, you’re a coward.”

At breakfast, Francis only alluded to what had happened. Brushing it off, Wilson even warned the humiliated man to not “talk rot.”

On this second day, they hunted buffaloes. Performing marvelously, Francis started to redeem himself. He did so well, in fact, he seemed transformed.

Hemingway, “Look at the beggar now, Wilson thought. It’s that some of them stay little boys so long, Wilson thought. Sometimes all their lives. Their figures stay boyish when they’re fifty. The great American boy-men. Damned strange people. But he liked this Macomber now. Damned strange fellow. Probably meant the end of cuckoldry too. Well, that would be a damned good thing. Damned good thing. Beggar had probably been afraid all his life. Don’t know what started it. But over now. Hadn’t had time to be afraid with the buff. That and being angry too.”

Having Margot screwed by Wilson had helped to turn Francis into a man, so it was like a gift, the cuckoldry.

You would think this sea change cheered Margot, but she hated it, and said so, repeatedly. She was also worried about something she couldn’t quite define.

Hemingway gives us a clue. Earlier, Wilson had reflected on American women, “They are, he thought, the hardest in the world; the hardest, the cruelest, the most predatory and the most attractive and their men have softened or gone to pieces nervously as they have hardened. Or is it that they pick men they can handle?”

More of Wilson on American women, “How should a woman act when she discovers her husband is a bloody coward? She’s damn cruel but they’re all cruel. They govern, of course, and to govern one has to be cruel sometimes. Still, I’ve seen enough of their damn terrorism.”

(In 650 pages of Hemingway short fiction, the word “terrorism” only appears twice. Once in the context of the Spanish Civil War, and here, to describe American women’s treatment of their men.)

The beauty of fiction is that you can have any character say or think absolutely anything, at least in theory, so this assessment is Wilson’s, not Hemingway’s, though it comes from the author’s mind, of course.

This story was published in 1936. If this was true then, let’s say, then what about now? Have American men softened even further as their women hardened even more?

The central theme of “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber” is the inability of the civilized man to deal with savage situations. Faced with the primal threat of an enraged lion, Francis simply bolted. How many of us would have done the same?

All the savagery Francis discovered in Africa was initiated by him, of course, when he shot at wild animals. A thrill seeker, he brought violence, so was met by a violence that overwhelmed him.

Wilson, though, was both civilized and savage, and that’s why Margot was so turned on, “Mr. Wilson is really very impressive killing anything. You do kill anything, don’t you?”

The barbaric baffles us. Walking along, we just don’t expect to be sucker punched, usually by someone much younger, from behind. We have a hard time understanding such enraged cowardice.

I had a white friend, now deceased, who told me about an incidence in his youth. He was out walking with his girlfriend when a black man approached them and snarled, “I want to fuck her!”

What would you have done? Forced to respond spontaneously, my friend merely shrugged, “Well, you have to ask her.”

More tragically, his young daughter would later be killed by her black boyfriend. The fatherless high school drop-out bashed her skull repeatedly with a hammer.

Even before the murder, there were signs of his violence, including a brick thrown through her windshield, but my friend did not forcefully intervene. As an adult, she was entitled to her choices, he reasoned.

A world-class academic, my friend was far removed from such mindless savagery. After his daughter had been killed, he suffered daily, and blamed himself, but not in ways you’d think. He should have adopted the black boyfriend, perhaps, brought him into the family and showered him with love, he told me. Everything would have been all right, then.

“He would have killed you too!” I responded.

Of course, the most intense savagery is war. It’s so incomprehensibly horrific, one’s first instinct is to flee. Soon as the shooting and shelling start, there’s a massive refugee crisis, but soldiers can’t run. Every society, then, must steel a good portion of its men for this potential savagery. Boys must harden into men.

Many today find such thinking offensive. Thankfully, the US military also rejects such a reactionary, binerial mindset. This fighting force won’t just give its sissies an option to become fake women, but gladly pay for the castration. Suddenly dickless, they’ll charge!

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The buffalo hunt was going along splendidly, but like lions, wounded buffaloes also charged. A massive bull they assumed dead suddenly emerged from the bush. Newly brave and calm, Francis stood his ground to fire at this angry animal, barreling down on him. All his shots were a bit high, however, so merely splintered the huge boss of the buffalo’s horns. As Francis was about to be gored, his wife fired from the car.

Deed done, Margot sobbed hysterically over her dead husband. Kneeling beside her, Wilson had no doubts about what had happened. Hemingway:

“That was a pretty thing to do,” he said in a toneless voice. “He would have left you too.”

“Stop it,” she said.

“Of course it’s an accident,” he said. “I know that.”

“Stop it,” she said.

We can assume that, freed of Francis, Margot would quickly find another soft, pliant, easily cowed man, one she could easily control. There were so many then.

There are countless more now. Mushy, with man tits, we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. So let me get this straight. A woman forces you to play the mighty masculine man and it kills you.

    How is this a good thing?

    Hooray for cowardice. Valor is for rich people.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  2. I have always despised Hemingway’s habit of equalising masculinity with murdering animals. That’s why I no longer read him.

  3. E_Perez says:

    Oh, yes, the great Hemingway!

    Obsessed with sex, showing his manhood killing protected animals from safe distances and boasting to have murdered German prisoners of war.

    A true Anglo-Saxon hero of our times.

    His famously short sentences would have perfectly fitted our WhatsApp times, too bad that he did not live long enough to chat.

    But he pandered enough to the tribe to get the Nobel Price.

    Overestimated and fake as his black-and-white image in a colored window above.

    You already had better articles, Mr. Dinh.

  4. Interesting piece.

    • Agree: Hans, Wizard of Oz, Z-man
  5. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I have always despised Hemingway’s habit of equalising masculinity with murdering animals. That’s why I no longer read him.

    and not just Big Game Hunting but also bull fighting …

    Charles Bukowski wrote in some of his books : “The Poets and Rock musicians get only second tier women; the Bull Fighters get the best” … well …

    I red the complete collection of Hemingway’s short stories once, and the recurrent theme of symbolic castration/castration anxiety was really striking, the protagonists are all the time receiving damaging groin blows or losing their other extremities …

    in the book To Have and to Have Not the hero losts his arm but declares defiantly: to Hell with an arm! Man is still a man with one arm as long as he has his balls, or one ball …

    as much as i dislike Big Game Hunting and Bull Fighting, I still feel that in some Hemingway’s heroes or some characters Humphrey Bogart played (like in To Have and to Have not) there is something to admire. As a man …

  6. unwoke says:

    “We can assume that, freed of Francis, Margot would quickly find another soft, pliant, easily cowed man, one she could easily control. There were so many then.”

    freed of Francis, Margot would have no quick need to find another soft, pliant, easily cowed man or another ruddy-faced, untamed man because she would already then have what she really wanted all along – all of Francis’s inherited money. Hemingway alluded to this earlier: “He was very wealthy, and would be much wealthier, and he knew she would not leave him ever now.” Hemingway could have stopped right there. It was really unnecessary to go into unrelated questions of courage or masculinity or Americaness. All women really want from a husband or facsimile is money. The rest is literary overkill.

  7. Franz says:

    This story was published in 1936.

    And I’m betting one of its most attentive readers was Philip Wylie, who was already greasing the skids for his monster 1943 bestseller Generation of Vipers.

    Wylie nailed the American woman so acidly that the book was read by servicemen till the end of the war. It’s been cited as the reason so many came home with Japanese wives, German wives, Filipino wives, English… well, anything but a Yank wife. The ones who married their hometown sweeties became the most pussy whipped generation in history.

    By 1945 it had penetrated so deeply that it almost guaranteed feminism would hit a generation later and in 1970 it came, right on schedule. In later years Wylie said his book had been a joke, only about a few mothers he’d known. Too little too late.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @hyper bole
  8. This tale doesn’t address the eternal mystery of why any man of means would marry, exceptions being the wealthy polygamist tribal chief or sheikh.

    • Replies: @CCG
    , @Montefrío
  9. saggy says:

    As Francis was about to be gored, his wife fired from the car.

    Deed done, Margot sobbed hysterically over her dead husband.

    She shot him?

    I never understood Hemingway’s appeal, and this thing about ‘tough’ American women seems to me to be utter BS.

    I liked the article though.

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  10. @A. Hipster

    Bullfighting is a great spectacle. My first stop in any southern Spanish town is the ticket booth of the largest arena in town.

  11. Ben Gunn says:

    Another bullseye from LD (pun intended). From the outrage in the comments, it looks like he really hit a nerve of the Francis Macombers who read Unz.

    • Agree: Sollipsist
    • LOL: Hans
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Alden
  12. MGB says:
    @A. Hipster

    Bukowski wrote . . .

    And Orwell wrote, ‘for some reason all the best bullfighters were fascists.’ So I guess fascists get the best looking women. Or something like that.

    • Replies: @Nodwink
    , @Pericles
  13. republic says:

    His short happy life lasted all of 60 seconds!

  14. Jake says:
    @E_Perez

    You are very much correct in what you say about Hemingway, but Linh Dinh also is correct in his analysis of what Hemingway has to say about American women and men.

    The caveat is that Hemingway was not talking about all white American women and men. He was not, for example, talking about Irish Americans or Italian Americans or Polish Americans or Serbian Americans of the time. Nor was he talking about white Southerners of the time. Hemingway was talking about Yankee WASPs, most specifically about upper middle class (not truly rich) WASPs.

    The cultural problem is inherent in the WASP. Other whites who assimilate to Yankee WASP culture start acting just like what Hemingway presents. Hence today, when all of the old ‘ethnic’ whites have become fully assimilated, we see Margot and Francis Macombers everywhere.

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  15. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    binerial mindset

    Of what is this a typo/misspelling?

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  16. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    She shot him. Did you even read the book numb nuts?

    • LOL: Fred777
  17. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @anon

    Hi,

    It’s a made-up word that alludes to the current criticism of “gender binarism,” as in this sentence pulled from Wikipedia, “Gender binarism may create institutionalized structures of power, and individuals who identify outside traditional gender binaries may experience discrimination and harassment.”

    Perhaps I should have spelled it “binarial,” but “binerial” looks better. In any case, it is a joke.

    Linh

    • Replies: @anon
  18. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @unwoke

    It is clear in the book that Francis is going to divorce her when they return and she would need to find another man to parasitize. She knows this and that is why she shot him in order to collect inheritance.

    • Replies: @Kommando7
  19. @E_Perez

    It seems Hemingway was lost without a script, and even when he read from one, he read the punctuation marks. A literary Joe Biden it would seem.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  20. republic says:
    @Jake

    Read LD’s excellent post Unhappy Women on 12/13/2016

    • Replies: @Jake
  21. @E_Perez

    During my dark and distant past I read a short story about an American couple in South America.
    The gist of it was about the difference between N America and S America.
    A dance in south America is interrupted by a gang of armed men and shots are fired. All the Latin women take refuge behind their men but the lone American woman dancing with her husband dives and cowers under the table.

    • Replies: @ricpic
  22. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh

    “binerial” looks better

    If you say so.

    Thanks. This brought back memories of high school, ca. ’66. We got it. Old Ernest was much simpler, more primal than many. We were also assigned The Fountainhead and Rabbit, Run. Can’t say those were good influences.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  23. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:

    “…we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.”

    Linh wins the internet agin!

    We are the Last Men, the Hollow Men, the Men without chests.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @TKK
  24. ricpic says:

    Hemingway is pitifully easy to criticize, to make fun of. But Hemingway is great. He tackles the great issues.

    How many men wrestle with cowardice their whole lives? I would say most. The story is about Francis Macomber, not about Robert Wilson the manly man, the super-stud.

    Yes, cowardice is one of the great issues. Can we face our fears? Having failed miserably to face them can we redeem ourselves? Face them, finally, and be men, die happy.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Montefrío
  25. ricpic says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    Yes. I read the same story. Can remember neither the author nor the title of the story. But it stuck with me. Made an impact. That moment of truth when the other women instinctively use their men as shields but his woman…doesn’t. The shame in that.

  26. ko says:

    Hemingway is awesome.

    I can’t stand male or female pussies who bitch about his “masculinity.”

    Go back to reading your metrosexual screeds with your snarky MFA slugs and your boring, self-absorbed, witless tissue paper imagination. Jesus.

    If I offend you, go fuck yourself.

    • Agree: WhiteWinger
    • Thanks: Iris
    • LOL: Colin Wright
  27. @Ben Gunn

    Yes, it seems that many here who read Linh’s exceptional essay fail to understand the importance of Hemingway. His much overhyped public persona masked the, at bottom, shy socially awkward alcoholic, who preferred to sit in the corner of the bar, unnoticed. All great writers are introverts, or they wouldn’t be great writers.

    PBS had a recent 3-part documentary on Hemingway’s life that should spark renewed interest. I wonder if Linh, possibly suffering from Covid at the time, was able to see it in Albania. In the 1960’s, we read “Macomber” in my 12th grade English class. I didn’t remember much until the documentary touched on it , buttressed by Linh’s essay. I can’t imagine it being taught in school today. Killing big game (a terrible, immoral thing) is too barbaric for modern sensibilities. Some snowflakes might get their feelings hurt, and the teacher would suffer the consequences.

    Hemingway’s novel, which has stuck with me the most, is his first one; “The Sun Also Rises.” It tells the story of the post-Great War’s Lost Generation. There again, a big part of the story is the lead character’s impotence from a war injury. It represents the loss of idealism this shiftless generation of artists suffered in the face of millions of dead bodies.

    Where are the great novelists today? I don’t know of any. And is there an audience literate enough to read them? Writing should be easier today on computers, instead of typing on old manual typewriters, or using pencil and paper, as Hemingway did.

    I hope that Hemingway, the greatest writer of the 20th Century, is not forgotten, but he probably will be. Now in the dead USA, we live only behind masks, social distanced in an infernal present. Even Trump has already been forgotten. The rise to power of Biden and his enablers has started the Cultural Revolution. 2020 was YEAR ONE.

  28. Splendid article, Linh. These articles where you stick just to words have a different flavour than your picture-articles (which I also really like).

    Generally, I don’t find much attraction in Hemingway, but I did like this one of his.

  29. ricpic says:
    @unwoke

    Women have a three word answer to any man who is on to their game:

    Who hurt you?

    • Replies: @Bert
  30. The only Hemingway I have ever read was this short story, and I–like you–read it when I was much younger.

    So, I was glad to read your essay on it and how it seemed to you now when you were older and as it is now as a part of contemporary America.

    Thanks for your insights and analyses on this story, and on Hemingway. When I was a student, the dominant American writers were: Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Faulkner, Buck, O’Neill, Steinbeck. Growing up in California, I cared less to nil about all but Steinbeck (and still do, although I was extremely disappointed at his support for the Vietnam War).

    Nevertheless, I did read this one Hemingway of your essay, and thanks again for your review of it.

    I also intend to browse A Nation of Vipers after reading the comments to your article. Possibly an interesting addendum to your essay.

  31. I looked it up. MacOmber is an actual name. I had thought it might be like Green or Gold.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Dumbo
  32. @Kolya Krassotkin

    I assume you must have watched the PBS documentary. But you forgot to add that Papa Hemingway read that after he had been thru several electro shock treatments. That was the treatment at the time to shock people out of deep depression. It didn’t work in his case, as he soon blew his brains out with a shot gun.

  33. I’ve always had mixed feelings about Hemingway. As I wrote recently..

    When I, rarely, still flip through fiction, Hemingway invariably turns out to be a dwarf, especially compared with high modernists like Broch, Mann, Lawrence or, especially, Proust. Even a good & not very great writer like Camus has in a few essays, a novel, a few dramas & stories, much more to say about a human condition than Hemingway. Compared to Camus, Hemingway has not tasted deep waters of life (I am not talking about physical mobility).

    Hemingway’s emotional, mental, experiential, moral worlds are small. He is 90% style & only 10% substance. His life dilemmas look childish & immature; he never grew up.

    And on the other hand, I prefer, from time to time, to pick up his short stories just for pleasure, while avoiding genius heavy hitters simply because I’ve lost a deeper interest in them, while Hem still lives & entertains.

    I must admit I liked Francis Macomber very much. But couldn’t quite decipher the morals. Francis’ wife, it is implied, is one of those mean, castrating harpies who want to be put in their place & show who the man is- fucked her brains out & beat her to to the pulp. There will, hopefully, their animalistic masochist nature be satisfied.

    In my opinion, Wilson’s guilt (Hemingway is split between Wilson and Francis, he’s not just a macho hunter) is his moral obtuseness. Wilson is too intelligent & morally developed to have a fling with that obnoxious bitch. Or I am wrong? Maybe Hemingway himself never quite grew up & remained a limited psyche where he all his life played virtually uninteresting macho games in futile environments (big game hunting, bullfighting- all childish) , while simultaneously cowardly clinging to the Communist Party & American left generally, never having the guts to renounce Communism, until his dying days. Unlike Dos Passos.

    But, back to the story.

    The only character I had sympathy for & pity in the story was Francis; Wilson was morally underdeveloped & without “heart” (until the end), while woman was atrocious, a really despicable whore. Francis, by being shot after he’d beginning to grow balls, receives some kind of apotheosis.
    The ending is believable.

    But- what are we to make of this all?

    • Agree: WhiteWinger
    • Replies: @New Dealer
    , @ivegotrythm
  34. JimDandy says:
    @obwandiyag

    Yeah, putting yourself in moronically dangerous situations for excitement is for rich people. But putting your foot down when your daughter starts dating an animal should be standard/expected male behavior.

  35. Da Wei says:

    Linh Dinh,

    Thank you for this insightful article; two things might have been clarified, however.

    First, Francis redeemed himself by composedly firing into the bull’s skull, chipping away bone with each shot, until the bull fell at his feet. Second, as Hemingway wrote, Margot picked up her gun and pointed it — not aimed, but pointed, suggesting an instinctual act — and shot her husband in the head.

    The first explains Francis’ courageous redemption and subsequent happy life; the second the woman’s non reflective, automatic response in cutting that life short.

    Finally, for all your commenters’ cult-of-the-hair-chest theorizing, this: it’s metaphor, stupid.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  36. @ko

    You are correct. Hemingway was a great writer and unapologetic who wrote about the camaraderie of men rather than the “pussywhipped” metros of today. Hemingway’s world (besides writing) consisted of fishing, hunting, and having a social order of his male friends with their women. But the women did not control the agenda as they do today.

    Hemingway was one of the first to have women fish and hunt with him which was a social anomaly back then. He wanted his women by his side at all times. Most reviewers have no idea what Hemingway is about because they can’t see his world through his camaraderie most likely because they don’t have that and don’t understand it.

    Women reviewers especially can’t understand his work because they don’t have many friends like Hemingway did and that is true even today because it appears to be an evolutionarily hard wired trait that women don’t want to talk about.

    • Replies: @E_Perez
  37. unit472 says:

    The whole premise of Hemingway is ‘machismo’ and its dated too. The idea that big game hunting is how a man ‘proves’ himself is idiotic. Here is what King George V did on his trip to India in 1911.

    George took the opportunity to indulge in big game hunting in Nepal, shooting 21 tigers, 8 rhinoceroses and a bear over 10 days.

    A brave man? Put it this way he wasn’t at the Battle of the Somme 5 years later.

  38. Biff says:

    This story was published in 1936. If this was true then, let’s say, then what about now? Have American men softened even further as their women hardened even more?

    Replace ‘woman’ with establishment/govmnt/bankers/rulers/kleptocrats/police, and you’ve got a big giant yes.

    Home of the brave has gone by the way of the Dodo.

  39. IvyMike says:

    New to Hemingway? Read The Sun Also Rises, read the collection called The First 49 Stories. The rest is sad, not good at all, terrible at times, written by a gifted writer struggling against Traumatic Brain Injury, bi-polar disorder, and long term alcoholism. If I stepped in a pile of The Short Happy Life I wouldn’t try to clean my boots, I’d throw them away.

  40. All of Hemingway’s exaggerated masculinity (big game hunting and fishing, war, bull-fighters) reminds me of Shakespeare. But not in the way you might be thinking…more like “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  41. BlackFlag says:
    @follyofwar

    Houllebecq is the great living author. Ishiguro is quite good too. Both introverts I believe. Also, check out Delicious Tacos.
    But yes, generally people don’t have the attention span to read or write. Those who do are NPCs in academia with stunted experiences.

  42. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Hi all,

    In this 2016 article, I discuss a much less known Hemingway story, “The Sea Change.” Though barely noticed, it is remarkable and even revolutionary, for it depicts a woman leaving her boyfriend for a woman.

    I find it unfortunate that many commenters can’t see beyond the Heminway image. If you just look at his work, you’ll find that male defeat, failure or impotence, the exact opposite of machismo, is often Hemingway’s theme. In “The Sea Change,” Hemingway may even qualify as a feminist writer.

    Linh

  43. E_Perez says:
    @niteranger

    Hemingway was a great writer and unapologetic who wrote about the camaraderie of men …

    Here is an example of the “unapologetic” writings and the “camaraderie” of this Nobel priced war criminal, from Mellow, one of his biographers:

    The other incident Mellow cites (547), which also appears in a published letter (SL 672), may be about the same S.S. officer. Hemingway claimed to Charles Scribner that he shot a “very snotty” S.S. officer who scorned his warning that he would kill him unless he revealed German escape routes. Hemingway said he shot the German three times in the belly and then, when he went down on his knees, shot him in the head so that his brains came out of his nose.

    Note that Hemingway was not even a soldier, he was a war correspondent.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @niteranger
    , @ThreeCranes
  44. E_Perez says:
    @Linh Dinh

    I respectfully disagree, Mr. Linh.

    With few exceptions, all of Hemingways writings are about sex, war, killing animals (bullfights, hunting, fishing,…) or humans (A farewell to arms, For whom the bell tolls,…). Even the much lauded “The sun also rises” is about post-war traumas.

    And writing about “male defeat, failure or impotence” is not the “opposite of machismo“, but is the necessary background for machismo obsessions.

    I know, your intentions were to denounce “White Flight”, but I hope you can find better authors to demonstrate your case.

    • Replies: @Biff
  45. @Linh Dinh

    What’s wrong with staying civilized/savage like Mr. Wison while renting the woman from a Joel Greenberg? Doesn’t that solve all the problems? This way would be more in keeping with the times. Man tits and lurking in the shadows is the hallmark of American Exceptionalism anyway, and so is being good with money.

    There’s much too much focus on the “Margots” here. The entire essay is more Francis Maccomb than Lihn Dihn. Maybe I just haven’t read enough of the latter.

  46. Richard B says:

    The central theme of “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber” is the inability of the civilized man to deal with savage situations.

    No. The central theme is self-overcoming.

    That’s why it’s called The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber.

    But before he could change he had to challenge himself. That’s why, as you rightly pointed out…

    All the savagery Francis discovered in Africa was initiated by him

    Because self-overcoming is impossible without self-discovery. Both of which are an important part of his Death In The Afternoon. Put yourself in challenging situations to find out what you’re made of, or, to answer one of the most, if not the most, important question in the world, “Who am I?”

    He answered the question for himself. That’s why he died a happy man.

    And it’s why Margot kills him. Because if there’s one thing women hate more than other women it’s self-awareness, let alone self-discovery and self-overcoming.

    Francis is the most interesting character in the story exactly because he could face the truth of himself and change.

    This is why women and girly men misunderstand Hemingway and then proceed to judge him based on that misunderstanding. It’s also why so many women and all girly men are so dishonest and pathetic.

    • Agree: Alfred
  47. Had he been a real man Francis would have killed his wife and Wilson, but that is too much to expect from modern western literature. Maybe some eastern authors would have resolved the plot in such an honourable fashion, teaching the moral lesson that cuckoldry does not pay.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  48. @E_Perez

    You should read all of his stuff before you selectively take one example. Hemingway’s life was about the camaraderie of fishing, hunting, and friends. Try reading some of his letters. I knew many people who fished with Hemingway in Florida and Cuba. They are dead now but Hemingway led the life of a “Sportsman” so much so that it along with a few other things destroyed most of his marriages. He also may have exaggerated the stuff in Europe including totally liberating the Ritz. Hemingway knew Charles Ritz who inherited the hotel from his mother. Ritz was a world famous fly fisherman and so was Hemingway.

    • Replies: @phillip sawicki
  49. @Bardon Kaldian

    By chance, I read this short story carefully a month ago. It affirmed my judgment that he is one of the greatest of writers but also brought back my vague puzzlement that something is lacking. B.K.’s comment gave me insight and more confidence.

    Hemingway is among the greatest, but of the greatest the most empty. He has the soul of Ian Fleming.

    When I, rarely, still flip through fiction, Hemingway invariably turns out to be a dwarf, especially compared with high modernists like Broch, Mann, Lawrence or, especially, Proust. Even a good & not very great writer like Camus has in a few essays, a novel, a few dramas & stories, much more to say about a human condition than Hemingway. Compared to Camus, Hemingway has not tasted deep waters of life (I am not talking about physical mobility).

    Hemingway’s emotional, mental, experiential, moral worlds are small. He is 90% style & only 10% substance. His life dilemmas look childish & immature; he never grew up.

  50. Biff says:
    @E_Perez

    I respectfully disagree, Mr. Linh.

    With few exceptions, all of Hemingways writings are about sex, war, killing animals (bullfights, hunting, fishing,…) or humans

    What a better way to hide behind defeat, failure, and impotence than to kill a lesser being or weaker man; or bag a married lady.. ?

  51. Mike G says:

    Mushy, with man tits, we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  52. The beauty of fiction is that you can have any character say or think absolutely anything….

    You mean, like having a Brit be more manly than an American?

    Funny thing, but I was sitting at a cafe in Europe, pre COVID of course, with a couple European friends, and I spotted a woman coming towards us, and I said, “She’s American.” My friends asked how I could tell. I just could. So as she continued walking by, I said in my broadest American accent, “Hi Miss, did you drop that paper back there?” Her answer confirmed my observation.

    You can spot American women anywhere, and they are best avoided.

    • Replies: @Jake
  53. @A. Hipster

    I red the complete collection of Hemingway’s short stories once, and the recurrent theme of symbolic castration….

    I once met a lesbian in NYC who took particular delight in telling me of the many male animals she castrated while working on a farm … I think I prefer hearing the symbolic version.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  54. @unwoke

    Hemingway could have stopped right there. It was really unnecessary to go into unrelated questions of courage or masculinity or Americaness. All women really want from a husband or facsimile is money. The rest is literary overkill.

    No, Hemingway was painting in literary form what we today would describe as Margot “shit-testing” Wilson.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
  55. Bartolo says:

    This article has helped me to better understand some aspects of the story I didn´t get back in the day when I read it.

    Thank you, Mr Dinh.

  56. @Linh Dinh

    You are right that we should clearly differentiate between Hemingway the man (macho bullshit) & Hemingway the author, who was a much subtler creature. Most critics have noted that Hemingway was mens morbida in corpore sano (when he was still healthy) & that he is writing, basically, of defeat. All his characters are defeated.

    And here is Hemingway’s evident shortcoming. Some may know, but Hemingway idolized Tolstoy & wanted to compare himself with the old Russian fart. But, completely dismissing differences in nationality & historical circumstances (and the sheer bulk of fiction), all normal, not even too perceptive readers, can see that Tolstoy’s grasp is immensely wider.

    Tolstoy writes on heroism (Hadji Murad, War and Peace), on domesticity & family life (many novellas, War and Peace), about various types of love (Anna Karenina), about God & nature (many short stories), about death (Death of Ivan Illych), about sexual temptation (Father Sergius), about psyhopathological jealousy (The Kreutzer Sonata), about sin and redemption (Resurrection)- in short, about everything. True, discursive Tolstoy is sometimes annoying, but his entire opus is magnificent- this is man’s life, good, great, horrible, temptations abound, morality is always tested, God is always hiding- or almost always.

    With Hemingway we get just a stoic defeat. I don’t see real love between a man and a woman; I don’t see true critique of morals & a society; I don’t see anything spiritual or thoughtful; I don’t see a sensitivity towards beauty; I don’t see burning inner life I see in D.H. Lawrence and, especially, Dostoevsky.

    All I can see is a nihilist testing his courage to no purpose, thrashing aimlessly in a void of emptiness without God (Clear, Well Lighted Place).

    • Thanks: Linh Dinh
  57. Jake says:
    @republic

    Somehow I had missed that one ( https://www.unz.com/ldinh/unhappy-women/ ) which means I am very glad that gave the heads up. It is excellent.

    Back in the last century in the PhD program is when I realized that the rot unto spiritual and emotional death was far more widespread that I had assumed. Virtually all of the females were examples of Linn Dihn’s Splendor, Mirth, and Good Cheer. An occasional BB, lifted up from her extreme poverty by some Feminist scholarship, could also be found.

    One of the Liberal (they all either were Liberal or hard Leftist) grad school girls I thought for a couple of years to be a fairly standard small town American woman. She was married to a man from the nearby small town that was her high school’s rival. They’d met at a track meet; each was a distance runner. She had repeated the joke that theirs was a mixed marriage, not just because of the two small towns but because she had been raised United Methodist and he had raised some type of Pentecostal. For her academic circles, they joked about how they’d compromised on religion by becoming Episcopalian, but rarely attended except for special feminist or anti-racist services.

    I knew that she supported gay ‘rights,’ to the wild stance back then of saying that gays should have the right to marry. But I still was shocked to learn from another female PhD student (one who was becoming something approximating conservative just from seeing all the well educated Liberals and Leftists at the university) that the marriage was Open in the sense that either could have sex with another woman, as long as the first time was a threesome.

    Back during the 2nd Obama administration I learned that the woman was a tenured professor at some midwestern state university and long divorced. She was openly bisexual and known not just for teaching Lesbian Literature but showing lesbian films with graphic sex acts. She then was engaged to a Jewish professor of Political Science who’d dumped his first 2 wives for a slightly younger woman. Her son from her first marriage, her only child, had recently died from a heroin overdose.

    The last update on her, at the start of the fall semester following the Summer of George Floyd, was that she is again divorced and spent the summer on the streets of a couple of midwestern towns with BLM and Antifa.

    For me, the most important part of her story is that she disparaged the Southern part of her ancestry (which was through her mother’s father) not just because she blamed it for the unpardonable sin of slavery and racism but because her maternal grandfather despised the English as much as he despised Yankees and presented Andrew Jackson as the ideal American who despised the British Empire and elite English culture. That is most specifically the part of her ancestry that she was fleeing from in shame. And her flight bought endless rot.

    She is Contemporary American Woman.

    • Thanks: republic, Pheasant
    • Replies: @anon
    , @barr
  58. Jake says:
    @The Alarmist

    The only Brits that Hemingway spent much time around were either the wild partiers or the ‘he-men’ types who loved living among the dark savages and killing animals. Superficial Hemingway assumed each type Brit was typical and somehow above being seen as unmanly. Hemingway was not the type to wonder how many of those Brit men who loved to wrestle of darkie natives or whose family seemed able to buy the moon had had a heap of queer sex starting in the days of elite boarding school

    • LOL: Pheasant
  59. Jake says:
    @Linh Dinh

    “The Sea Change’ is autobiographical. Hemingway got his wife involved in threesomes, and she came to prefer female flesh to his.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  60. @Bardon Kaldian

    Norman Mailer thought himself to be the next Hemingway, and used his phony machismo to try to emulate him. But Mailer was a small statured Jew, raised in Brooklyn, who never learned Hemingway’s economy of words. I found his fiction largely unreadable, and stopped reading his WWII novel, “The Naked and the Dead,” after the first few pages. He was much better at writing essays and verbally sparring with Gore Vidal on the “Dick Cavett Show.” Hemingway, like Mark Twain, will remain long after Mailer is forgotten.

  61. gT says:

    On National Geographic there was an interesting comparison of 2 different lion prides in the Okavango Delta I think it was. The first pride was crazy, hunting male buffalos and bringing them down irrespective of the damage done to members of the pride. The second pride was more normal, most of the hunts ended in failure. The first pride lasted only 2 years because death and injuries depleted its membership so much. The second pride was still going strong many years later.

    These days if you go hunting big game just stand and take the shot, the professional hunting guide is there to protect the paying hunter by making the final kill shot if necessary. But anyone wanting to hunt big game is supposed to be able to shoot accurately under pressure in the first place. Why anyone would want to shoot something they can’t eat I don’t know.

    When the Chechnya rebellion broke out some poor, ordinary, young, inexperienced Russian soldiers were captured, they were then beheaded with knives on camera. Later Russian soldiers sent to Chechnya were shown these videos so they knew what to expect. All of the Chechens in the video and then some never survived the next few years. As my one old buddy always used to say, “education is expensive”, that bloke who allowed his daughter to be killed obviously could never benefit from education, too many generations of soft, civilized, city life had made him “stupid”.

  62. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Jake

    Hi Jake,

    Hemingway shows his genius by having the couple argue about this in a cafe, with three homosexuals in the background. The gay guys are depicted so subtly and glancingly, however, their significance may easily be missed by the inattentive reader. Girlfriend gone, the rejected male lover joins the gay guys at the bar, thus the story ends with some deft humor.

    Linh

  63. @follyofwar

    Yeah, you’re right about Mailer’s ambitions I’ve always found extremely amusing;^)))

    Unlike you, I’ve read perhaps 5-6 Mailer’s fictions & could not immediately tell what he was up to, until I figured out that he, although trying to be “Hemingway all the way”- was basically just a gifted egotist who wanted to be a celebrity. Hemingway, whichever his deficiency, was an authentic writer who, also, wanted a celebrity status. But Hem had a vision of life, and his was a story teller as the true vocation.

    Mailer just wanted to be me-me-me celebrity.

    I didn’t read his most acclaimed work (The Executioner’s Song), but I did his war novel, then Why are We in Vietnam, The Deer Park, The Armies of the Night, then The Ancient Evenings, plus some minor stuff (Marilyn Monroe’s bio, as well a book about Henry Miller).

    Mailer is operating on two levels: one, dominant, is: me-me-me, I’m a celebrity, whoa, let’s bring some booze, huh how macho I am, yaaay….. The other is an aspect of Walt Whitman, seeing a life as an arena for playing out acts of heroic vitalism (Whitman is much more complex, that’s just a part of him).

    But Mailer got lost between his craving for publicity & confused efforts of writing about everything (booze, sex, ancient Egypt, Hitler, Vietnam, the Pacific war, blacks, ….). At the end, it all looks to me a wasted effort of an inflated & immature ego. Perhaps it was all satisfying for him personally (a bunch of marriages & divorces, public scandals,..)- but it shows he was not an authentic author with a calling, just an insecure egotist desperate for being constantly in the limelight.

    • Thanks: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Pheasant
  64. @Jake

    Whoa!

    I didn’t know that…..

    • Replies: @Jake
  65. When you think of it- what an embarrassment….

    You arrange a threesome (What a stud I am! Chest thumping like Tarzan.). And your wifey dumps you for-a woman.

    Good grief. A ton of Viagra couldn’t help after such a humiliation.

    No wonder Hem blew his brains out. I would have done it earlier ……

  66. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    That woman sounds like a real catch.

  67. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    Ernest Hemingway is highly lauded for his writing ability, but his life was a disaster. He was an alcoholic, had mental problems and ended up killing himself. What kind of a man is this to follow? Other than studying his ability to put words together for English Lit, I would steer clear of anything else about him.

  68. pecosbill says:

    Never was a big Hemingway fan, yet I found his biography an interesting story of adventure. However, some who said they knew Ernest claimed he was such a bullsh*ter it was difficult to tell what was true, exaggerated, or outright lies.

    One statement Hemingway was supposed to have made went something like: “If you have to keep score to determine a winner, it’s only a game. A sport is auto racing, mountain climbing, big game hunting, and bull fighting.” That statement is the essence of Hemingway, rolling the dice where one’s life is on the line and where one’s skills and courage make the risk something other than foolhardy bravado.

    In the story Francis, Margot, and Wilson are all cowards in their own way. Francis, not because he refused to go into the bush after a wounded lion, but because he did not confront Wilson for screwing his wife Margot or confronting her for her immorality and infidelity. Francis didn’t redeem himself, he died a chicken firing away at a mad beast that had done nothing to him. A proper ending would be for Francis to challenge Wilson to a duel or at least a fight. Had he killed the buf, so what?

    Wilson was a moral coward and maybe a physical one as well. He was good with a gun and he knew wild animals from years of experience in Africa. Francis was ill-prepared and Wilson knew it and knowing this he enjoyed the man’s humiliation and defeat and then enjoyed further degradation of Francis by seducing Margot. A moral coward will enjoy taking advantage of the weak for their own amusement.

    Margot was a mindless twit. She revealed herself to be a moral coward by having no fidelity to the man who gave her a fine living. So he refused to go after a wounded and dangerous lion? Perfectly reasonable for someone not a skilled hunter or good with a rifle. Besides what does sport killing a potential dangerous animal with a high-powered stand off rifle have to do with manliness?

    Hemingway’s portrayal of courage remained on an elementary level. Great physical courage displayed is something to be admired, but facing down a bull in a bull fight, what is really won by such displays? Moral courage Hemingway doesn’t address as clearly.

    BTW Margot is one letter off from Maggot. Did Hemingway misspell her name in his alcoholic daze while standing up typing?

    It’s said that Franco was so intent on taking Madrid because he wanted to spare later generations of American school children the torture of having to read Hemingway’s books by putting the man out of our misery.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • LOL: Dumbo
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  69. I remember one time rereading For Whom the Bell Tolls looking for metaphors and similes. I think I may have found one, or maybe two, can’t quite remember now.

  70. @pecosbill

    It’s said that Franco was so intent on taking Madrid because he wanted to spare later generations of American school children the torture of having to read Hemingway’s books by putting the man out of our misery.

    We still would have been stuck with Steinbeck, whose fame was helped in no small part by his pet dog ruthlessly editing the first manuscript of Of Mice and Men.

  71. I don’t really like Hemingway, he is so obsessed with defeats in human relationships that there is no room for anything else (someone above correctly compared his narrowness to the breadth of Tolstoy), but this story is unique. This already struck me few years ago when I read it the first time.
    Such a story could not be published nowadays.
    A cold, heartless female murderer. That cannot be.
    Even Tolstoy would not write it. Maybe Turgieniev, though (if you know his stories).

    Francis Macomber’s surname, however, strangely evokes the African snake known as mamba. Either that, or something African.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    , @Alfred
  72. Jake says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Linh Dinh does – see his reply to me. I see the story much the way he does, which is macho Hemingway acknowledging in his fiction that the libertine stud is always very close to the queer. And when Mr Sexual Revolution turns women lesbian, he may feel compelled to party with the limp wrists.

  73. sarz says:
    @Agathoklis

    Bullfighting is a great spectacle.

    I am a student of sacrifice, animal and human, as a pathway to transcendence, so while in Seville on a holiday I insisted on dropping in on the bullfights. I was really disappointed by the mechanical one-sidedness of the contests, and saw how very different a real contest would have been. A real contest would literally be life and death stuff, not anyone’s profession.

    Linh, all this is hopelessly weak stuff. An Indian polymath, D D Kosambi, wrote at the end of his life of accompanying a primitive tribal community in India where young men went singing to offer to have their heads cut off and planted in the ground in a festival celebrating the renewal of the year. The state of mind that allows this—because one accepts that one is already dead, so fear is short-circuited, of no purpose or possibility since one has surrendeted to one’s death—that is transcendence. It is freedom. And it is identification with everything, since the bodily self that came in the way of that identification is accepted as dead.

    That’s farther along than Hemingway. But he at least realised that the bullfight and bloodsports such as fox-hunting, all under woke attack, are the last remnants of the original religions of Europe.

    The core act of sacrifice is ritual self-killing of a beloved person. That can no longer even be thought of in most parts of the world. Think of Mishima.

  74. Jake says:
    @follyofwar

    Cormac McCarthy is still alive, and he is far greater than Hemingway.

    Faulkner was much greater than Hemingway. So was Yeats. So was Solzhenitsyn.

    • Agree: Montefrío
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  75. Iris says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    And here is Hemingway’s evident shortcoming.

    It is not so much Hemingway’s shortcoming as it is yours in understanding him.

    The artist is also the sensitive membrane that carries over the heartbeat of the times he lived in.

    Tolstoy’s writings existed because he was immersed within the millenary-old historic and spiritual depth of the Orthodox Russian Civilisation. Dostoyevsky’s works powerfully reflect the moral questioning, upheaval and fury resulting from this old civilisation being confronted and challenged by a new social and political modernity to which it hadn’t adapted. Both Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky are intrinsic literary giants, but both were so also because they were heralds speaking for the beautiful, ancient civilisation they belonged to.

    Hemingway did not have any ancient civilisation to open up to his readers; he had only himself to offer as an individual battered and broken by the senseless cruelty rhythming the 20th Century. And the result was an authentic and profound testimony about the absurdity of war, human beings sacrificing their life for their ideal, for their country, for others, for love. His life and his works are a poignant song to the human condition and its cruel insignificance, a testimony to the violent 2oth century, to a world where he, in particular, was forcibly deprived of political ideals.

    Hemingway is one of the greatest writers to have ever existed; his ideals, quest for transcendence under many different ways, and instinctive understanding of the human condition, make him universal. His works resonate in the minds human beings across time and space.
    May be some Americans don’t understand him because they lack the civilisation required to understand human universality.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Thanks: Linh Dinh
  76. @Iris

    You are so completely wrong it would take me aeons to address it.

    So I can only offer three best works on these two guys to clear the air.

  77. @Iris

    Hemingway is one of the greatest writers to have ever existed; his ideals, quest for transcendence under many different ways, and instinctive understanding of the human condition, make him universal. His works resonate in the minds human beings across time and space.

    Hmmmm…. this all makes me suspicious you have read truly great works of modern & near-modern literature. I’ll just drop a few non-thick pieces..

    Chekhov: Ionych; My Life; Grasshopper; Duel
    Camus: The Fall
    Faulkner: Go Down, Moses (esp. The Bear)
    Conrad: Heart of Darkness; Shadow Line
    Mann: Lotte in Weimar/Beloved returns; The Law
    Twain: The Mysterious Stranger
    Shalamov: The Kolyma Tales
    Hamsun: Hunger
    Martin Du Gard: Jean Barois
    Kafka: In the Penal Colony
    ….

    I like Hem, but…. He’s just not in the league of great writers like Conrad, Hamsun or Faulkner, let alone supreme novelists like Tolstoy, Dostoevsky or Proust.

    • Replies: @Iris
  78. utu says:
    @Iris

    Hemingway is existentialist before Camus. Unlike Camus Hemingway like Wittgenstein knew when to shut up while Camus in the last part of The Stranger keeps going on and on on the impossibility of grasping and expressing what is really happening in the protagonist’s mind before his execution. I think Hemingway would be able to execute the protagonist’s demise in writing more elegantly and would be more true to the essence of the project of existentialism. After all Hemingway invented the grace under pressure.

    When analyzing Albert Camus’s style in L’stranger, critics have not mentioned Ernest Hemingway’s iceberg theory of writing, a theory that adumbrates Roland Barthes’s degré zéro de l’écriture and the style of Camus’s first novel. By adopting Hemingway’s technique, Camus produced a brilliant work that Wilfrid Sheed ironically says is the best novel Hemingway ever wrote.

    In a 1945 interview published in Les Nouvelles littéraires, Albert Camus wrote that he had adopted Hemingway’s style while writing L’Étranger (1942) because he wanted to describe “un homme sans conscience apparente” (oc ii, 658). Jean-Paul Sartre, in his “Explication de L’Étranger”, evidently noticed the stylis- tic connection, mentioning the possible influence of Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises on Camus’s first novel.2 What this influence implies is that L’Étranger was most probably written using Hemingway’s iceberg theory of writing—a theory that, based on descriptive omission and stylistic compression, allows the reader to see only the tip of the iceberg whereby the remaining seven- eighths of its mass remains submerged.- Ben Stoltzfus [Hemingway’s Influence on Camus: The Iceberg as Topography]

    Was ‘Papa’ a Truly Great Writer?
    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/99/07/04/specials/hemingway-trulygreat.html?scp=50&sq=bull%2520spain&st=cse

    Yes, it is true that the boundaries of Ernest Hemingway’s literary reputation have contracted since the first glowing period of his advent. That was the time when the present reviewer, with many others, believed he was the brightest talent of the modern American epoch. In that sense he is a writer who gets smaller as you grow older. Yet there still lies at the very center of Hemingway’s world that perfect cluster of great short stories which are as immune to criticism as they will be impervious to time.

    BTW, I would ignore the snot-nosed insufferable pompous ass Tzadik of Banja Luka.

  79. Hemingway is proof that literature is compensation. He tried to show himself as being larger than life but shot himself because he knew he was a fraud. If the story is indeed a metaphor, then a shallow reading puts Hemingway as the great hunter, imperturbable in the face of danger, the deadly nailer of lions and babes.

    But in life, Hemingway is the cuckholded wretch and Art, his fickle wife. He is murdered by the fickle wife he married himself to, writing, his Muse. She shoots himself. He is not noble enough to stand her scrutiny. She sees him for the fraud he is, the macho manly image he projected and which the public accepted as being his true Self was just a persona, a guise which came to take over who he really was.

    Seeing that it was accepted, he ran with it but knowing inwardly that he was not the man whom he claimed to be, he felt unworthy of the fame which the fickle Muse had imposed upon him. As a vessel, he was not up to the task, which is why he drank excessively. The hand which held the shotgun to his head was hers, not his own–just as the story says.

  80. @E_Perez

    From the Hague Convention:

    “Article 1.
    The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:
    To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
    To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;
    To carry arms openly; and
    To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
    In countries where militia or volunteer corps constitute the army, or form part of it, they are included under the denomination “army.”

    Art. 4.
    Prisoners of war are in the power of the hostile Government, but not of the individuals or corps who capture them.
    They must be humanely treated.

    Art. 7.
    The Government into whose hands prisoners of war have fallen is charged with their maintenance.
    In the absence of a special agreement between the belligerents, prisoners of war shall be treated as regards board, lodging, and clothing on the same footing as the troops of the Government who captured them.

    Art. 23.
    In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden –

    To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion…”

    So Hemingway had no scruples about illegal murder while operating under the protective flag of war correspondent or hospital orderly.

    Some brave fellow. Civilized too, undermining the standards of war that Europe had imposed upon itself since the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia. Typical ignorant, cultureless lout American.

    • Replies: @Bert
  81. In my interpretation, greatness as a writer and concomitant fame was the big game Hemingway was pursuing, in the character of the strong, healthy, optimistic but naive American Macomber. Wilson was the establishment canon of English literature.

    Hemingway stood and took his best shot, but it fell short and it remained for the really great writers of the ages to polish off the beast, to the approval of the fickle, benevolent/cruel Muse. Later, in spite of having had a modest bit of success, he failed to put away the beast of self-doubt and his Muse came to the rescue by providing him with a way out through suicide. She shot him, thereby ending the agony of awareness of the gulf that separated him from historical greatness.

    Commenters above have observed that Hemingway was no Tolstoy or Dostoevsky. Does anyone for a minute think that Hemingway himself wasn’t aware of that? Wasn’t aware of the gulf? May have come to feel that the persona of man-of-adventure was in fact a strait jacket that prevented his ever achieving towering greatness? Was both a blessing and a curse, the way in which the Muse both used him, and used him up?

  82. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Hi all,

    The photo accompanied this article shows the outside of the Hemingway Bar, here in Tirana. It is pretty elegant inside, with jazz the only music. Chimay is available on tap, plus a German beer, but nothing Albanian. Behind the bar, there’s a Hemingway quotation, “An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools.” Among the tables, there’s another quotation, “Write drunk, edit sober.”

    Outside a bar in Beirut, Lebanon, the same Hemingway advice appears. I wonder where else across the world?

    In Tirana, there was also the You, Me and Bukowski Bar, but it went out of business a couple years ago.

    When I lived in Italy during 2002-4, I noticed there were more volumes of Bukowski available than any other foreign writers, but perhaps that’s no longer true.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Alfred
  83. @Agathoklis

    ‘Bullfighting is a great spectacle. My first stop in any southern Spanish town is the ticket booth of the largest arena in town.’

    I’m not sure I’d make a habit of going — but definitely memorable.

    As my wife kept repeating afterwards, ‘I guess they really have to kill the bull.’ It can’t just just be dismissed.

  84. @ricpic

    ‘Yes, cowardice is one of the great issues. Can we face our fears? Having failed miserably to face them can we redeem ourselves? Face them, finally, and be men, die happy.’

    I can relate; but my actual experience tends to be that our behavior in crises can be almost random.

    I’ve both pleasantly and unpleasantly surprised myself.

  85. @follyofwar

    ‘…Hemingway, like Mark Twain, will remain long after Mailer is forgotten.’

    As I recall, one short story of Mailer’s, ‘The Company of Men,’ (?) is pretty good. Unlike most of his work, it seems to be about his actual experience. A young American soldier in post-war Japan finally stands up for himself.

  86. Da Wei says:
    @Mike G

    From the poetic spirit of Yeats, this pathetic indictment should be etched into our minds. Is this our second coming? Thank you, Mike G.

  87. Dumbo says:

    We are in the thrall of demonic forces who want to destroy everything that is simple and beautiful. They feed on disease, war, pestilence, destruction, sexual perversion and witchcraft. We live in ugly times. And if the trans-humanist demons get their wish, soon Hemingway stories, or by any author of the past, will read like science fiction. Hm, sorry, I’m not very cheerful today, am I?

    Anyway, wasn’t Hemingway a CIA spook?

    But I liked his first novel, the one about the lost generation, how was it called? The Sun also Rises, I think. Other stuff of his, not so much.

    I will read this Macombe one and comment later.

  88. @sarz

    ‘I am a student of sacrifice, animal and human, as a pathway to transcendence, so while in Seville on a holiday I insisted on dropping in on the bullfights. I was really disappointed by the mechanical one-sidedness of the contests, and saw how very different a real contest would have been. A real contest would literally be life and death stuff, not anyone’s profession…’

    ! Either you were unlucky, or you were blind.

    From what I saw, the real contest comes if the matador misses his first attempts at the kill. Sooner or later, the bull is going to work out that it is not the cape that is his enemy — and that’s when things get dangerous. And that’s precisely when, faced with real danger, the matador must still move with grace and precision. I’ve got some photos where you can read this in his expression.

    Although I’m possessed of a reasonable amount of self-esteem, I realized I would never try it. Conceivably, I could stand in there and eventually be gored — but I’m fairly sure I couldn’t deliver the perfect execution in the face of real danger that the moment calls for.

    It’s not a joke.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  89. Da Wei says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Brandon Kaldian,

    re: “All I can see is a nihilist testing his courage to no purpose, thrashing aimlessly in a void of emptiness without God (Clear, Well Lighted Place).”

    First, it’s “A Clean, Well Lighted Place”, so go back and study the story.

    Second, Hemingway never tells you what to think or feel. The events — the nouns — generate the emotions (if you can relate), not the adjectives.

    And last, nothing in Hemingway thrashes aimlessly, nor is anything nihilistic. You need to think it through and read the works without regard to what others may say. In other words, forget the criticism and look at it with a fresh mind.

    If you can’t see anything spiritual or thoughtful, or any sensitivity towards beauty in Hemingway, you just ain’t paying attention.

    Look to the grassy fields of Spain or a freshly caught trout for beauty, or a gracefully avoided bull for fleeting grace (think of Hopkins’ “Pied Beauty”) or Jake Brennan’s instantaneous problem solving in “50 Grand” for brilliant thoughtfulness. Don’t dismiss what you just don’t yet understand.

    I don’t know why Linh Dinh thanks you for this comment, but that doesn’t matter.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  90. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Da Wei

    Hi Da Wei,

    I obviously don’t share Bardon Kaldian’s contempt for Hemingway, but his introduction of Tolstoy expands this conversation, which includes, already, Iris’ passionate response.

    Linh

  91. In comparison to Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy, Hemingway is purely descriptive, and in a base way (the ‘iceberg’ theory does not help him, really). This is also why he is at best in short stories. Nevertheless, both Russian giants are masters of short stories too.
    Because the lack of ability to tightly ‘thread’ a narrative, Hemingway novels are not memorable.
    What is ‘The Sun Also Rises’? A story of the break up of a group of American and British friends and lovers in the wake of a visit to corrida in Spain. I don’t remember one character any more.

    What is ‘The Idiot’ of Dostoyevski?
    A story of a simple man trying to live a life by the precepts of the Gospel.
    I still remember the characters of Myshkin, Anastasya Filipovna, Rogoshin.

    Let’s consider a short story by Tolstoy, ‘After the ball’ (Posle bala).
    A young man falls in love with a young woman during a ball. She is a daughter of a captain in the army. The young man accidentally observes the captain’s cruelty towards his soldiers. The man slowly fells out of love, and finally stops meeting the girl despite the lack of change in her disposition towards him.

    How the theme would be developed by Hemingway?
    Most likely, in a naturalistic way, without a regard for compassion. And no compassion would nullify love. Rather the opposite way.

    A young man falls in love with a young woman during a ball. She is a daughter of a captain in the army. The young man accidentally observes the captain’s cruelty towards his soldiers. The young man marries the girl, and soon starts to be cruel towards her. One day, the girl’s father accidentally observes this cruelty and kills the young man.

    Was Hemingway a fraud?
    To the extent of his backing his fame upon his lifestyle, yes, he was. Dostoyevsky was a gambler who wrote ‘The gambler’ but that was no advertisement.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  92. @Da Wei

    First- to address others’ typos is a sign of petty mindedness.

    Second- what you wrote is … limited. Not wrong, but simply showing your- in my opinion- not impressive tastes & knowledge.

    The central thing about imaginative literature is this: the peak in major works is irradiation of the sublime (I know it sounds preposterous, just..). For instance (I don’t read fiction anymore, so I’m writing from memory), this is what I felt, elation, a sort of electric current rushing through my body..when I read (had read): great triumphant Clytemnestra’s speech over her murdered husband’s body in Aeschylus; core teaching about the triad of Man-Earth-Heaven in The Doctrine of the Mean of the Confucian canon; great Socrates’ prophetic & visionary oratory on the immortality of soul in Phaedo; Macbeth’s hallucinatory speech when he is in the final phase of his doom; the penultimate chapter in Flaubert’s Sentimental Education, when old & crushed lovers part, leaving us with their unconsumed love and unlived lives; a few pages in Proust’s The Fugitive, located in Venice, when the Narrator, upon receiving a telegram & wrongly assuming that Albertine may be alive, receives an epiphany that he’s been “cured” of jealousy & love, and has definitely died to his former self & youth; Ilyushechka’s dying & death in The Brothers Karamazov; castration & agonising death of Joe Christmas in Faulkner’s Light in August; final two pages in Conrad’s Heart of Darkness; the execution of Billy Budd; the last stand of Tolstoy’s Hadji Murat; ….

    These are high sublime epiphanies, burnt into protoplasm of my inner being I’ll never forget. It is the fusion of heart, mind & spirit that gives them lasting value, rendering much of other issues superfluous or of secondary importance.

    To place Hem- whom I like as a short story writer – is…. well, unbelievable. Incredible. It’s like seriously comparing Canaletto with Rembrandt.

    Unreal.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Da Wei
  93. @sarz

    One thing I remember from a couple visits to the Azores was the somewhat more manly style of an average Joe facing the bulls…

  94. @Jake

    I should have included the word “American,” but overlooked it. I should have also added “in my opinion.” Determining who was the best writer is always in the eye of the beholder, like judging a beauty pageant. I loved Kerouac’s “On the Road,” but Truman Capote said he was just typing, not writing. I tried reading Faulkner once and found him incomprehensible.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  95. @Another Polish Perspective

    Huh…. why can’t people be more realistic& dispassionate?

    Some people are more frauds than others, but the topic is Hemingway’s work. Hem was a complex man & let’s leave it at that.

    Hem is a permanent writer who will abide. Dude Hem will abide. I find it silly to place him in the company of giants, but he is still- what I think a British critic had said – a great minor master, like Scott Fitzgerald, Edith Wharton or Camus.

    He’ll be read. He’ll bury his undertakers. His 2-3 volumes of stories will last. They are refreshing; they are memorable; they are alive.

    Hem is not equal to Chekhov or Kafka, two great writers (I mean novellas & short stories). But he abides.

  96. @Bardon Kaldian

    First- to address others’ typos is a sign of petty mindedness.

    As Ralph Waldo Emerson might say, it “is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.”

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  97. 6dust6 says:

    Linh Dinh did a great job on this essay. Some of the comments here were surprising and proved how superficial is the understanding of Hemingway’s writing, as well as the man. Macomber was written 85 years ago and serves a metaphor for our time today. Linh Dinh nails it in his final sentence: “Mushy, with man tits, we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.” We are no less brutal than the hunters of that time…only softer and more cowardly worse in our underhanded ways and values. And the furtive powers of women to demoralize men as a source of their power has morphed into today’s thoroughly feminized culture. Hemingway’s stature in the pantheon of world literature is debatable, however, he stands as one of America’s most influential writers in so many ways. He also had great respect for nature and wildlife, and to those turned off by the hunting should read his articles and essays on the subject and discover a perspective not unlike the aboriginals who hunted game and honored the kill. As for bullfighting, Chapter 2 in Death In The Afternoon, is required reading. A writer must be remembered for his best work and aside from the number of great short stories, Farewell To Arms is a great novel. The novelist John O’Hara wrote after Hemingway’s death: “As long as people read, Hemingway will be read.”

    • Thanks: Iris
  98. @follyofwar

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    I feel that this award was not made to me as a man, but to my work – a life’s work in the agony and sweat of the human spirit, not for glory and least of all for profit, but to create out of the materials of the human spirit something which did not exist before. So this award is only mine in trust. It will not be difficult to find a dedication for the money part of it commensurate with the purpose and significance of its origin. But I would like to do the same with the acclaim too, by using this moment as a pinnacle from which I might be listened to by the young men and women already dedicated to the same anguish and travail, among whom is already that one who will some day stand here where I am standing.

    Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat.
    He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid; and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the old universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed – love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, of victories without hope and, worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.

    Until he relearns these things, he will write as though he stood among and watched the end of man. I decline to accept the end of man. It is easy enough to say that man is immortal simply because he will endure: that when the last dingdong of doom has clanged and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more sound: that of his puny inexhaustible voice, still talking. I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. The poet’s, the writer’s, duty is to write about these things. It is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by reminding him of the courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. The poet’s voice need not merely be the record of man, it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail.

    • Thanks: Craig Nelsen
  99. Iris says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I like Hem, but…. He’s just not in the league of great writers like Conrad, Hamsun or Faulkner, let alone supreme novelists like Tolstoy, Dostoevsky or Proust.

    You keep making two major mistakes in your literary judgement.
    The first is that an author cannot be dissociated from their historic and civilisational context; the second is that it must be made clear what, in the opinion of the critic, makes an author stand out among his peers. Is it because of the content of his works? Their form? Or both?

    It is pointless to compare Tolstoy to Hemingway. They lived in different times and civilizational areas, and expressed very different collective and individual realities. Comparing Tolstoy to Dostoyevsky at least makes some sense and brings about the second important criterion about the primacy of content or of form.

    There is no doubt that Tolstoy was an all-time master in both form and content. But Dostoyevsky’s choppy, rugged and deliberately disjointed writing style that some despise, who compare it to Tolstoy’s style purity, was actually a perfect vector reflecting and conveying the trouble and struggles his novels often were about. An exquisitely refined language for one serene author on one hand, and a storm of powerful phrases fighting each other for an author in quest of answers on the other hand, have both in common that they addressed universal content any human being can relate to.

    If one was to make the same comparison between the two greatest French authors of the 19th century, arguably Stendhal and Balzac, literature academics most likely will contend that Stendhal was superior for his style. But Balzac is infinitely superior for the content, for his timeless understanding of the human nature, the way he captured the very essence of the times he lived through and lifted it to the universal. There is no mystery why 21st century readers still devours Balzac’s novels, out of any scholarly curricula obligations.

    Cervantes was a genius for both style and content. He invented the modern novel, made of many different and often discording voices; he also carried a universal content because he stemmed from an old civilisation able to listen to the voices of the humble and poor in its midst. Dickens definitely is among the greatest, but essentially for the timeless humanity he chose to so powerfully expressed.

    Literary critics often give primacy to style over content, not less because they lack the cultural or historic depth to assess the content, but also since they often unimaginatively judge style as per already-existing standards.

    Marcel Proust’s talent was celebrated by the critics in his lifetime for his classical style mastery. But who is still interested in his description of the narrow window of the Paris he lived in? These same critics mostly failed to understand the outstanding genius of Louis Ferdinand Celine, but successive generations of readers didn’t, who admire both his prophetic anti-war mindset, as well as his creation of a revolutionary writing language that looks like slang but isn’t.

    Ultimately, it is successive generations of readers scattered across the globe who establish the status of an author, and they do so when their minds and hearts resonate with the universal humanity they identify within in a novel. Hemingway had the rare gift to capture this humanity because he was so complete and so genuine. This is why he is one of the greatest authors ever, and will always be read.

    • Thanks: Linh Dinh
  100. @Iris

    I wouldn’t go into Hem’s dos & donts, but: he is more an initiator of a great & influential style; it is universally acclaimed, by American litterati & professors that American giants of fiction are Melvile, James and Faulkner (nobody forces anyone to accept their opinion, but, that’s the life is; …).

    This is an impasse. I am here with late George Steiner.
    The quote is from his “Tolstoy or Dostoevsky” (with my observation- Steiner confused The Princess Casamassima with The Ambassadors, the first one being a political novel, unlike the 2nd).

    We can speak in one breath of the Iliad and War and Peace, of King Lear and The Brothers Karamazov. It is as simple and as complex as that. But I say again that such a statement is not subject to rational proof. There is no conceivable way of demonstrating that someone who places Madame Bovary above Anna Karenina or considers The Ambassadors comparable in authority and magnitude to The Possessed is mistaken—that he has no “ear” for certain essential tonalities. But such “tone-deafness” can never be overcome by consequent argument (who could have persuaded Nietzsche, one of the keenest minds ever to deal with music, that he was perversely in error when he regarded Bizet as superior to Wagner?). There is, moreover, no use lamenting the “non-demonstrability” of critical judgments. Perhaps because they have made life difficult for artists, critics are destined to share something of the fate of Cassandra. Even when they see most clearly, they have no way of proving that they are right and they may not be believed. But Cassandra was right.

    Marcel Proust’s talent was celebrated by the critics in his lifetime for his classical style mastery. But who is still interested in his description of the narrow window of the Paris he lived in?

    I am. But this too long I’ll out it under More tag..

    [MORE]

    I won’t write a conventional review of the ISOLT; just a stream of thoughts on it…

    Proust’s erotic life (intensely homo) seems to me like a materia poetica for this monumental work, irradiating a specific sensibility of the mutable, all-seeing mind. Although his illness (asthma) and sexual orientation (homosexual) are undoubtedly of paramount importance, they do not inform the center of his work and worldview. Both Plato and Whitman were bi/homosexuals & yet there is no such pessimism in them about life which, as rendered in Proust’s masterwork, is the practical embodiment of the Buddhist apothegm: “Everything is painful, everything is transient.”

    How so and why?

    A sharpened metaphysical mind and an overdeveloped sensibility seem to necessarily lead to pessimism about mortality and Weltschmertz. This lament over transience is overcome in Goethe’s “Faust” by religious epiphany at the end; in Plato’s “Symposium,” Socrates ascends through the ladder of Love, through the terrible daimon Eros, to the source of all, the One who is Good and Love; in Whitman’s theophanies erotic torments and other travails, from the suffering of a decaying body paralyzed by stroke and the “unpleasant” experiences he describes (amputations without anesthetics, except a few gulps of alcohol) – and do not provoke pessimism, because everything is actually “good” since All is the manifestation of the Being, God, the Tao …

    But Proust has no God, at least as a compass needle (although he personally had a religious consciousness – for example, a month before his death he wrote to an acquaintance, the Catholic poet Francis Jammes, to pray to St. Joseph for him; when he died, his maid Celeste gave him, at his request, the Rosary of Mary directly from Jerusalem, supposedly a powerful relic). Thus, in Proust’s case, it is not an ideological atheism, but a complex psyche which, because of richness of insight and wealth of experience, is necessarily focused on transcendence – and yet, cannot find it in a more traditional way.

    The English writer Happold divided mysticism, roughly, into three types: theistic (some tampering with God), the mysticism of Nature or pantheism (one can find it in poets & in versions of Taoism, for example), and “mysticism of the soul”. Having in mind his path of introversion and autoanalysis. Proust obviously falls into the third category.

    In this category are all the usual contemplatives like Zen meditations practitioners, parts of yoga, etc., but Proust was not a dogmatic meditator and structured contemplative practice would be boring to him. Perhaps it is not an extravagant thesis that puts his creative undertaking close to the Hindu-Buddhist effort to separate oneself from the dark energies of Tamas binding one to the Samsaric world through introspection and to come, gradually, to the intense joy of inner Self. In the case of Proust, this self-analysis is not only a chewing and reliving of life’s torments (and some joys), but also a heroic path towards overcoming of ego-personality, albeit without dogmatic religious goals. It is a path of self-realization of a non-dogmatic sage. Here he was well served by the decadent quasi-religion of Art as something eternal, which in the absence of a muse (no male Beatrice, that would be absurd & hyper-comical), or religious dynamics which suffused, in various ways, Plato and Dostoevsky – turned out for him to be the royal path to salvation — whatever that meant.

    According to Freud, ego is the seat of suffering. For a developed consciousness, if there are no temporary emotional-mental analgesics to lull and numb it, the way out is in transcendence. There are different paths to it, and how “successful” they are depends on intelligence, temperament of an individual. For most people, I guess, ordinary faith and trust in God are enough; many do not need it, because they are doing relatively well in life, and they do not possess a hyper-developed imagination, sensibility and “higher mind”. But if they have, like Proust did, and by temperament & intelligence are dissatisfied with the usual life’s lullabies – then they follow their own search for a fulfilled, abundant life. It was the case with Proust.

    But, enough with dry philosophizing.

    Proust was primarily a wisdom writer, not a philosopher. Obviously, for Proust, writing was a therapy for life’s pain & meaninglessness. He could not have been satisfied by ordinary consolations of a religion; nor with social movements, etc .; in fact, aside from sexual orientation, his is a rare case of a highly intelligent and hypersensitive individual who needs absolutes in life and does not find them- and then arrives to a kind of self-realization through hyperanalysis that, finally, results in earthly wisdom and re-affirms the magic of living despite all its torments and disappointments .

  101. HalconHigh says: • Website

    I watched a PBS documentary on Hemingway last week.
    It focused a lot on Francis Macomber.

    When Margot said, “You aren’t afraid, are you”….Francis should have kicked her ass right then & there…anything after that was too late.

    My stomach still turns into a knot when I hear that passive-aggressive bullshit.

    Your friend should have told that MoFo to hurry down to the zoo…..it’s feeding time at the monkey cage.

    Cool stuff Linh…btw Bernie Madoff died in prison today.

  102. Da Wei says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon Kaldian,

    Re: “First- to address others’ typos is a sign of petty mindedness.”

    Go back and read Hemingway’s “The Gambler, the Nun and the Radio”.

    You’ll find the Marxist Mexican in hospital laments that religion is the “opium of the people.”

    Now, if you think it small to cite a typo, then you’ll miss the crack in the Mexican’s facade and, worse, you’ll miss Hemingway’s subtlety.

    Please, get serious and stop the horseshit.

  103. Alfred says:
    @Agathoklis

    As a teenager, I saw a couple of big bullfights in Barcelona – it is now banned there. I don’t know about the rest of Spain.

    I have seen a few matadors being tossed in the air. Two of them were taken away on stretchers.

    I remember the fantastic music, people drinking wine from goatskins and the hot sunshine. I felt sorry for the horses, but not for the bulls. Sometimes, a horse would be raised on the horns of the bull. There was a carpet-like protection – but still.

    The most memorable memory was of a bull with a sword that entered in the shoulder area and that protruded from its belly. The bull was still standing and furious. His massive muscles were slowly squeezing the sword upwards. Eventually, he collapsed. What an animal!

    This book explains the phenomenon in some detail. It is not fit for wokes.

    • Replies: @plannumber9
  104. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Hemingway … ennhhh.

    Cheap thrills.

  105. Dumbo says:

    Ok, I read it now (got the book in the library).

    Hm, it’s OK but…

    Well, I really don’t like Hemingway so much because, as someone else said above, he seems to equate courage with killing wild animals.

    Well, I don’t like sport hunters. It’s not “courage” to shoot animals with automatic rifles. Try with a spear, maybe. It’s not fair. Especially endangered animals like lions and elephants. Such hunters should be hunted themselves with rifles for fun, to see how they like it.

    But another thing is his misogyny. In his stories, all women are cunts. Who (like in this story) are excited by male violence and cruelty and despise men they can easily control.

    At the same time, it seems that they don’t want men that they cannot control either. At least, in the ending of this story, she shoots him because she knows she will no longer be able to control him. So I guess women want things both ways.

    Now, of course there is a large element of truth to that, women – and specially attractive American women – are like that (or were like that, before they got fat and ugly?) but the problem is that (from what I remember) there are not many sympathetic women in Hemingway’s stories, and his own personal views seem to be always too much on the negative side.

    I like his first novel (The Sun Also Rises) even though it is rambling.

    I don’t think he’s in the first line of Great Writers, of course you could not compare him to Shakespeare or Dante or Tolstoy. But he is among the tope ten American writers I suppose (Fitzgerald is another one who seems a bit overrated, but it’s on the level of Hemingway, even if with a completely different style).

    The thing is Anglos only consider their literature written in English as of value, and tend to ignore a lot of literature written in other languages. But just French writers, there are a lot more in history that are (on the whole) probably better than Anglos. If Hemingway had been Spanish and written in Spanish he would be ignored.

  106. CCG says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Maybe he wanted legitimate children to inherit his wealth? The story was published in 1936 after all.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  107. Dumbo says:
    @A. Hipster

    I red the complete collection of Hemingway’s short stories once, and the recurrent theme of symbolic castration/castration anxiety was really striking, the protagonists are all the time receiving damaging groin blows or losing their other extremities …

    His novel “The Sun Also Rises” is also about impotence/castration. And about the association of bullfighters/hunters with masculinity. He’s a bit repetitive.

    Maybe he was afraid of being impotent. In fact, some say that he shot himself, not because he was sick, but because he had become impotent.

  108. Dumbo says:
    @The Alarmist

    Some lesbians also like to castrate their own male sons:

    https://en.protothema.gr/shocking-lesbian-couple-kill-9-year-old-son-after-cutting-off-his-genitals/

    https://www.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/britains-first-transgender-family/

    There’s something about lesbians/transgender freaks and the hate of male organs. Maybe Freud was right about “penis envy” (if about nothing else).

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  109. @follyofwar

    “Yes, it seems that many here who read Linh’s exceptional essay fail to understand the importance of Hemingway. His much overhyped public persona masked the, at bottom, shy socially awkward alcoholic, who preferred to sit in the corner of the bar, unnoticed. All great writers are introverts, or they wouldn’t be great writers.”

    Exactly. Why do the commenters here assume that Hemingway is Wilson? and not Macomber? After all, any and all of us have stood in Macomber’s shoes–be honest now–have watched while our ladies flirted with a guy who, in his element, outshone us. And, by the same token, we have all stood in Wilson’s shoes, the experienced pro who shows up their awkward, fumbling husband. That’s life. None of us are experts in every field, which is why it is fruitless to speak of “Alpha males” as though we humans were programmed wolves. In the real world, the civilized world, every man is alpha in that which he does best and the field is so wide and diverse that no one man can lay claim to universal expertise. That’s why, if a reader wants to make the claim that Hemingway is a truly great writer, then they must read him allegorically. To read him literally is to limit the scope of what he means to convey.

    If you read this story literally, Wilson comes across as a retard who stands outside all social convention. He can only function effectively in this specialized environment. Comment 44 E_Perez observes, after telling us that Hemingway crowed about murdering an SS officer in cold blood that,

    “Note that Hemingway was not even a soldier, he was a war correspondent.”

    Such a murder is in violation of the Hague Convention, which was drawn up with the expressed intent to make war less barbaric and more civilized. The irony is that the SS was tasked precisely with the job of neutralizing and cleaning up such civilian partisans, not in uniform, who operated behind the German lines. In other words, the SS officer was enforcing the standards of civilized war while Hemingway was the Chicago-land style gangster operating beyond the pale of European traditions. (It’s probably no accident that Hemingway grew up in ground zero of the heyday of Chicago gangster wars.)

    And that “operating beyond the pale of European traditions” was precisely what Hemingway was bragging about when he said, (as reported by PecosBill in comment 69),

    “One statement Hemingway was supposed to have made went something like: “If you have to keep score to determine a winner, it’s only a game. A sport is auto racing, mountain climbing, big game hunting, and bull fighting.” That statement is the essence of Hemingway, rolling the dice where one’s life is on the line and where one’s skills and courage make the risk something other than foolhardy bravado.”

    In one biography I read about Hemingway, one character, a man who had boxed at Yale, said that he had gone a few rounds with Hemingway and that Hemingway was not a good boxer at all; that he was a “brawler” and that in a fair fight, any competent, trained boxer would cream Hemingway. Just think of bullfighting. Would Hemingway do well in the bull ring? No. He would be killed. But he ran with the bulls, i.e. participated at the amateur level.

    Beware of making a logical error here. Don’t assume that just because a man is good at sports in which the winner is determined by keeping score that such a man cannot operate beyond the pale. He is just a half step behind. When he realizes that you intend to honor no limits, then he can up his game to match you. So when Hemingway brags about having murdered an unarmed German prisoner, count me less than impressed. That acting beyond the pale, in a universe without rules, succeeds because the enemy had acted within the rules.

    I’m trying to convey that there is something dishonest about guys like Hemingway. In what you mistakenly assumed to be a fair fight, they’ll kick you in the nuts and then say, “See, you lost because you were constrained by the rules of civilized people.” Okay. Well and good. Now let’s fight where I know beforehand that I’m not to be constrained by the laws of civilized men.

  110. Dumbo says:
    @follyofwar

    I hope that Hemingway, the greatest writer of the 20th Century, is not forgotten, but he probably will be.

    Nah. The greatest writer of the 20th Century is probably Jorge Luis Borges, but he is not an Anglo, and he didn’t write much (but a bit more than Kafka, who mostly wrote incomplete or unpublished things).

    But just among the 20th century Americans, Faulkner is probably above Hemingway. Flannery O’Connor too, at least her short stories, are masterpieces and I prefer hers to those of Hemingway.

    But, not to say that I only criticize Hemingway, “The Killers” is a classic, a great story.

    Or, as Hemingway himself would say, a damn fine story.

  111. @Dumbo

    (or were like that, before they got fat and ugly?)

  112. Ever wondered why animal lovers could do nothing against corrida?
    It is a religious ritual in a secret religion of our elites. I am rather sure that Hemingway got a lot of points for his love of Tauromachia.
    Corrida is a recreation of the myth of Prometeus/Gilgamesh, and thus of a revolt against gods.
    It it is a religion of a revolt, and of ‘love’. It has nothing to do with Yahwe, except defiance, by the way.

    Gilgamesh slaying ‘Bull of heaven’:

    Madonna in ‘Rebel Heart’ does not sing about love for bull here. ‘Love’ is a defiance of bull:

    The only problem I see is that ‘Prometheans’ had chosen for us, not asking us at all.

  113. @Dumbo

    Freud was wrong about penis envy for normal females. They, archetypally, emotionally-mentally center their being about their vagina as something potentially all-devouring & all-encompassing, something like a poetical black hole that absorbs everything. To envelop, to devour, to suck in …

    I became conscious of that after a few discourses wit females I’ve been intimate with. At my suggestions of the type- do you envy us men because we screw you and penetrate you and own you, and at the most S & M level, make you our slaves and you somehow enjoy it- they laughed it off. Psychologically, they enjoy being women in all aspects (except PMS); physically, they don’t care for our little willies (fisting shows their anatomical capacities) which give them much pleasure, but real pleasure is located in their smaller version of penis, clitoris. Our male big dick obsessions are more rooted in our psychology, not theirs (with some exception). In sum- big male physical member is exciting, to them, more as the symbol of male power & their enjoyment in submission to it, than anatomically or physically.

    As for these lesbians & castration… I am horrified. Speechless.

  114. @CCG

    Agreed. I’d also forgotten in days of yore, marriages joined kingdoms and built alliances.. Alexander the Great had many wives.

  115. @ThreeCranes

    After the SS killed without trial countless innocent civilians throughout Europe, including no doubt some journalists, you complain about one reported getting his own back.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  116. @Commentator Mike

    And how many of those killed were partisans, acting behind the lines out of uniform, a crime punishable by death according to the Hague Convention?

    For the last fifty years it has been fashionable for me-tooing, trend setters (is that an oxymoron?) to claim that they operated in the Resistance during WW2. If as many of them who claim to have done so actually did so, then the number slain by the SS was perfectly reasonable, appropriate and justified by the Rules of War.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Alfred
  117. @ThreeCranes

    Nazis used to round up civilians in raids and shoot them without consideration if some were partisans or not.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  118. Dumbo says:
    @Iris

    Honestly, in the end I think it ends up as a question of taste, or at least is something partially subjective.

    I like Proust’s lengthy descriptions (though he *can* be boring) but found Céline to be unreadable (except for his anti-Jewish war diatribes, School of Cadavers etc).

    Cervantes is of course a genius but Dickens in general leaves me cold; perhaps in general I don’t like so much Victorian novels.

    Stendhal and Balzac… I wouldn’t know, perhaps a tie, but I’d give the victory to Stendhal for points.

    Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, I agree, both great in their own very different ways.

    Hemingway, perhaps he could be compared with Fitzgerald, who was the more stylish guy. In this sense, I agree, I think Hemingway is better than Fitzgerald. His “Great Gatsby” is certainly well written, but what does it say, is it really so relevant today? I don’t know; maybe the idea that “the rich are different” and play with another set of rules.

    But, I think Hemingway’s stories (perhaps more his short stories than his novels) have a larger and longer-lasting appeal.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  119. Anonymous[521] • Disclaimer says:

    “He’s the great symbol of manhood. But did being dressed as a girl by his mother leave Hemingway confused about his sexuality?”

    “Tough, independent women scared Hemingway, who preferred those who were more ‘daughterly.’”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4524196/Did-dressed-girl-leave-Hemingway-confused.html

    Ernest on the left.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    , @neutral
    , @Jake
    , @Alden
  120. The best is Fyodor Nikolayevich Tolstoyevsky, the author of “Anna Karamazov” and “Crime and Peace”.

  121. @Commentator Mike

    So, out of the entirety of my four comments pertaining to Hemingway, you seize on the one aspect that relates to the suffering of……who?

    And you completely gloss over Hemingway’s barbaric transgression of the rules laid down in the Hague Convention, the purpose of which a simple-minded, historically-ignorant, blundering-outsider Yank whose mind was besotted by propaganda–among other things–could not ascertain.

    Then you are a collaborationist and deserve the same punishment as Hemingway did, execution without trial, as stipulated in the Hague Convention. You along with your fellow “innocent” civilians (who harbored and nourished the resistance) as well.

    It is difficult for some individuals, such as yourself, to imagine that the conduct of war was circumscribed with rules; rules that were designed to protect the innocent non combatants. So, bombing cities with the express purpose of injuring and murdering civilians was forbidden but that didn’t stop the Allies from doing so, with gay abandon.

    One likely reason individuals such as yourself cannot imagine that European wars were regulated is that Jewish intellectuals have filled the Western mind with myths such as that they were responsible for civilizing the barbaric European by bringing with them a set of moral strictures. This is laughably self high-regarding. Morality, as Frans de Waal has revealed, is present even in chimps and is part of our primate legacy. Humans didn’t need Jews to make them moral. Germans do and did not need civilizing. They were and are if not the most advanced people on Earth, then they are darn close to it. No Middle Eastern Semitic or Arabic people even come close.

    So lets drop the anti-German rhetoric and gaze with open eyes at what is really before us. The Allies committed more and greater war crimes than did the Germans and Hemingway’s murder of a German prisoner of war is a perfect example of how the Anglo/Zionists have distorted this picture.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Jake
  122. Ed Case says:
    @Anonymous

    Hemingway’s mother was a nasty lesbian, his father, brother, at least one son, as well as grandchildren, were suicides.
    Somewhere in the Old Testament burning of witches is advised.
    Likely to be advice borne out of rueful observation is my opinion.

    • Replies: @Jake
  123. @ThreeCranes

    If you think Nazi German scum were some kind of chivalrous knights you need your head examined. They were guilty of all kinds of war crimes including the crime of war and resistance to their vile occupations was a duty of every righteous citizen, and partisans were by no means bandits – Germans were the bandits. They did what US does today invading Iraq and Afghanistan and then declaring everyone who resists a terrorist.

  124. @Dumbo

    I guess my tastes are different. As far as twentieth century literature goes I’ve read most works by B. Traven, Erich Maria Remarque, Pearl Buck, Sinclair Lewis, A.J. Cronin, John Steinbeck, Jack London. I’ve read some of Ernest Hemingway, George Orwell, Anthony Burgess, a couple by Camus, the odd one by Kafka and Primo Levi, but the rest don’t much interest me.

  125. @Commentator Mike

    War is–or was–not a crime. Resistance by anyone not in uniform was and is a violation of the Hague Convention and is punishable by death. Resistance is not “a duty of every righteous citizen”. You have accepted an alien’s view of European war as it had been practiced for centuries. You bring these alien ethics to the table and then wonder why the Germans treated you and yours the way they did.

    You are so convinced that you are right that you cannot see things in their historical perspective. You are so convinced that you are right that you condone the murder of legitimate soldiers by civilian snipers, sappers etc. As I said, you cannot wrap your mind around the concept of war being fought within a set of rules. You don’t want any rules. You want to murder and feel that because you feel it is justified, that you should not be called to account, should in fact, be rewarded and awarded. You play that way and then the Germans respond with force and you cry “Unfair! Brutes!”.

    Just as we see today in the streets of America, you grant yourself the right to behave as you please because, after all, your cause is just and right. When there is push back you drop any pretense of legality and try to silence or jail your opposition. Your kind preaches “intolerance of intolerance” without a shred of critical self awareness. You cannot see yourself as a hypocrite.

    How was the German occupation of France so evil and oppressive? Did the Germans plan to stay in France for as long as the Americans have occupied Germany? Did the Germans bomb Paris to smithereens as the Americans and British did German cities? Which side was really guilty of destruction of cultural monuments?

    You must have missed the link to this video which describes “American Aerial Massacres in Germany”

    Bombing. It’s the American way. We bombed Germany. Then Vietnam, Iraq, Serbia Croatia, Iraq again and so on. Now convince me that occupation is worse than murder from the air, less morally pure.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Commentator Mike
  126. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:

    For those interested in Hemingway, pro or con, Lillian Ross’s 1950 New Yorker profile is a must read.

    Christine Whitehead wrote about it: “The famous profile of Hemingway published on May 13, 1950, in The New Yorker was written by a very young journalist named Lillian Ross. Hemingway had helped her with her first big article about Sidney Franklin, the first Jewish-American bull fighter. Hemingway and Lillian Ross became friends and as Hemingway often did, he enjoyed taking this younger, very smart woman under his wing and addressing her as ‘daughter’ and sharing some of the things that he knew with her.”
    Whitehead calls the resulting interview “a sad betrayal of his kindness and friendship to a young writer.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1950/05/13/how-do-you-like-it-now-gentlemen

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  127. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    A typical Linh Dinh article, rooted in bullshit and fake anecdotes.

    I like how no one, certainly not the author, ever questioned the validity of a man who stated that American women are not only attractive, but the most attractive in the world.

    Here’s a composite image of 134,789 American females in 1930:

  128. @Bardon Kaldian

    There is nothing to be made of it. It is not real.

  129. Bert says:
    @ricpic

    Or they try jiu jitsu. “I should have known not to trust a cold-hearted man.”

  130. neutral says:

    The types here that defend hunting for sport are probably also the types that agree with those stories where a special forces soldiers needs to kill his pet he bonded with over months to prove they are tough killers. Cruelty to animals is not brave, it is sign of one being a psychopath. Here are some men that can never considered cowards.

    As for Hemingway, the guy was a proto SJW, he fought for ZOG in Spanish civil war. As others already mentioned here, he was a messed up piece of shit. Anyone who finds value in his insights is probably suffering from a messed up head as well.

  131. Bert says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Typical ignorant, cultureless lout American.

    From the superbly researched book, A Devil of a Whipping, by Lawrence Babits on the Battle of Cowpens. The quote is from Lt. Col. John Eager Howard of the Maryland Continentals.

    “Captain Duncanson, of the 71st Grenadiers, gave me his sword, and stood by me. Upon getting on my horse, I found him pulling at my saddle, and he nearly unhorsed me, I….asked him what he was about. The explanation was that they [the British troops] had orders to give no quarter, and they did not expect any….I admitted his excuse, and put him into the care of a sergeant.”

    Warned by Duncanson, Howard instructed his troops to encourage the surrender of the British troops and needless bloodshed was prevented at the end of the battle.

    This was at a time when hundreds of American POWs were dying aboard British prison hulks grounded in Charleston harbor, when Tory militias were burning churches and homes, and when the British were supplying and encouraging Cherokee and Creek Indians to massacre Rebel families.

    You don’t know shit about history, nor what is typically American.
    Go fuck yourself.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  132. neutral says:
    @Anonymous

    That image pretty much shuts up all the self proclaimed “real men” here that defended that piece of shit.

  133. TKK says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s timely.

    I am not married, and I can’t fathom men spending money on old, ugly fat women that they made the mistake of marrying twenty years ago.

    Perhaps if they were sweet, compliant and nurturing. But they are not.

    My buddy Bill just bought his almost obese, weathered, nagging wife a new Town and Country mini van. Everytime she comes back from an errand, it has a new mark on it- a ding, a scratch.

    He is a Vietnam veteran who just finished VA rehab for alcoholism, gets up at some ungodly hour to deliver newspapers, and then repairs diesel engines all day while she sleeps, runs her mouth, plays on her phone, TV blaring and eats junk.

    Whatever happened to two people pulling the plough?

    If he is not going to leave her, he needs to knock the hell out of her.

    • Replies: @Alden
  134. TKK says:
    @Dumbo

    I have a TV shirt that has a bear and a man facing each other, wearing boxing gloves. It says: MAKE IT A FAIR FIGHT.

    Trophy hunters are sociopaths. If you are not killing to eat or for survival, you take pleasure in watching another animal die. If it was the thrill of the hunt, shoot them with a Nikon.

    But aren’t most women cunts?

    How do you make a woman like you, if you are of average looks and don’t have millions?

    Treat her like garbage. They eat it up. Because if you treat them well, they think: Why is this person treating me like I am gold? I know I am not a good person.

    They are drawn to the person who treats them as they really know themselves to be: financial mercenaries who want the respect of the world, but don’t want to roll up their sleeves and do the work.

    * On being a cuckcold, there are different levels. I have long marveled at friends whose fat wives make their house cluttered and tacky with all this crap- feminine bric a brac in every corner, dripping from the ceiling.

    The man is lucky if he has a moldy recliner in the damp garage. And he pays for everything.

    As a person who has no desire to marry, I don’t get it. If we were talking a young Kim Basinger- maybe.

    • LOL: GMC
  135. That’s the trouble with reading fiction. Groping around in some weirdo’s skull, with cans of worms exploding everywhere. I’m not making this up.

  136. Dumbo says:

    I’ve been to Spain several times, even to Pamplona, nice places, but I’ve never seen any of the bull stuff (toreadas, corridas, etc) nor have much interest in that. I guess I don’t really “get it”.

  137. Dumbo says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yep, there’s a bizarre tendency in some UR commenters to whitewash German/Nazi crimes, just because of how they’ve been treated post WWII after losing the War.

    Just because they saw themselves as the arrogant “civilizing force” doesn’t mean that they were. Lots of harm was done, especially in Eastern Europe, but some other countries too. Partisans and others were right in resisting foreign occupation, no matter how high-minded it (supposedly) was.

    Having lived in Germany, I know the ruthless rule-following-to-the extreme mentality, and it does not surprise me that something like Nazism could come about. It’s not that the people were evil, they were just bureaucrats doing their jobs. The term “banality of evil” was overused, but in a way, it is right.

    Of course, a lot of things later heard about the Holocaust were obvious inventions, lots of things were fake, sure, but also the idea that the Germans were just gentlemen who could not hurt a fly, or that they never did anything wrong, is really amusing, at least for anyone who has known Germans.

  138. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    “”…Francis runs away from a lion, which is what most sensible men would do if faced by a lion, and his wife promptly cuckolds him with the English manager of their big-game hunting expedition. As we all know, good wives admire nothing in a husband except his capacity to deal with lions, so we can sympathize with the poor woman in her trouble. But next day Macomber, faced with a buffalo, suddenly becomes a man of superb courage, and his wife, recognizing that[…] for the future she must be a virtuous wife, blows his head off. […] To say that the psychology of this story is childish would be to waste good words. As farce it ranks with Ten Nights in a Bar Room or any other Victorian morality you can think of. Clearly, it is not the working out of a personal problem that for the vast majority of men and women has no validity whatever…””

    Author and literary critic Frank O’Connor commented this “caveman BS” in The Lonely Voice: A Study of the Short Story.

    No wonder LD is loved by cavemen.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @durd
  139. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    LD is a pen name.

    Tell us who you really are.

  140. @Colin Wright

    I think I might have delivered the perfect execution if I had trained and practised long and hard enough. But I would have been mostt unlikely to put myself at risk without a very great potential prize for doing it .
    My instinct to calculate the odds (approximately) showed up prominently when I joined an officers training squad at university and opted for a parachute training course. Nobody had ever died that I heard about but I still remember the secure complacency that overcame my mind when I realised that we always wore a spare parachute. The odds against mishap seemed huge. I recall that, on about my fifth jump the fellow who jumped next started to overtake me downwards. His main chute had folded over itself. Then 7-10 seconds later he appeared to ascending to end up above me as his spare chute opened. Yes, not dangerous really.

  141. His obsession with impotence might be traced back to his early experience with a mortar round, which left him with over 2oo pieces of shrapnel in his legs. My guess is the shrapnel was in more than his legs. As an ambulance driver he might also have observed life altering wounds of the same type. Obviously he overcame his wounds, but they probably left him with a profound life-long horror.

  142. @Franz

    I like Crunch and Des and I bet Hemingway did too.

  143. I was in my 30’s when I first read Hemingway. Being persuaded that he was a “great writer” I bought one of his books, not sure right now which one, maybe Farewell to Arms maybe Sun Also Rises or whatever … got to abt page 100 before junking it; never returned to what I consider (admittedly on a small sample) a grossly over-rated writer.

    However no less an authority (lol) than wiki says

    ” … his adventurous lifestyle and his public image brought him admiration from later generations… ”

    Not from me though, what I know about him …
    No doubt others will criticise this evaluation based on ~100 pages of one book … but for me they were enough … at some instinctual gut level there came a dislike and even revulsion to Hemingway; there was something very wrong about him …

  144. Jake says:
    @Anonymous

    Poor Ernest suffered from the upper midwestern, Yankee WASP version of English Momism. At least 3 generations before Hemingway, very large numbers of elite background English boys found going to boarding school at age 7 a great relief because they got away from their crazy WASP Moms. But, alas, English boarding school invariably introduced them to gay ‘romantic relationships’ and gay sex, and quite a few of them retained strong ‘romantic relationships’ with another man or two or three throughout life.

  145. Jake says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The Nazi Party was founded in a gay bar. The leader of the Brownshirts, Ernst Rohm, was not only a very promiscuous gay, he was an S&M butch who loved the boys.

  146. Walter says:

    I had, happily, forgotten the very discomforting story. Linh has beautifully brought it back. I am sorry that people judge the author and topic in such shallow ways – Poppa’s story told and tells the honest bald truth, and so does Linh.

    Like Poppa, Linh has also told a discomforting truth.

    Superb job!

    (Maybe I am not typical, but I never had any lack of courage, or friendly ladies. One simply does as one must do. If that lets you live another day, it’s nice. If not, then no worries. White, I have been wantonly attacked several times. Yes, it’s astonishing, but not a conundrum, you attack back and through and don’t stop until that (or those) ” mofos ” are unconscious or have run away. There’s time later if you want to be afraid. It was the same for my pop, fight back as hard as you can. And I have hunted lions, with my old Labrador dog and a 30.06 rifle – the lion stole a goat, and I wanted the corpse back, and got it. I don’t recall, but I suppose that later I got laid.)

  147. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    I graduated from college at 19 (some 50 years ago) with a degree in Engl Lit without ever having read anything by Hemingway (or Shakespeare, for that matter). With an English department run and staffed by Jews, endless hours were wasted listening to them drone on about the magnificence of their Saul Bellows and Isaac Babels. But as Mr. Dinh says, there is a great reward experiencing Hemingway etc after you have a few decades of living under your belt and that is what I have been doing the last decade or so.

    Follyofwar–oh kindred spirit!–is the first person I’ve come across to also admit not ever having been able to finish anything by Norman Mailer. The Naked and The Dead was a pretentious and agonizingly boring book that got thrown into the garbage can after 50 pages, and over the years everything else he wrote got tossed after 15 pages or less. Stormin Norman simply couldn’t string two sentences together to any meaningful effect, and I believe he sold more books due to his bizarre antics (the spats with Gore Vidal, stabbing his wife in the stomach, etc) than through any writing abilities.

    Mr. Dinh, I always appreciate your contributions to Unz Review. You have a capacity for non-habitual perception–or should I just say some kind of wacky kaleidoscopic brain–that alters my own vision in some unique way every time I read your work.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  148. @Sick of Orcs

    A “man of means” (or any man with a lick of common sense) marries when he finds a woman whom he believes will be a worthy mother to his children, a “soulmate” of whose company he never tires, a partner in the complementary endeavor of lifelong mutual growth across the spectrum of the material, intelectual and spiritual; a simple sex toy is seldom such a woman and her company is likely to grow tiresome once the initial passion wears off.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    , @Sick of Orcs
  149. Thim says:

    No one ever cared about Hemingway or read his twaddle unless assigned in college. Enough with the CIA hacks already.

  150. @ricpic

    Learned the “face the fear” lesson at age nine and never looked back. Fear is a normal and instinctive emotional response to a physical threat, unlike anxiety, which is not synonymous with fear, given that it’s a psychological rather than an instinctive response to a threat to self-image, not physical integrity. Once learned, the lesson may not guarantee a happy life and/or death, but goes a long way toward avoiding neuroses.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  151. Jake says:
    @ThreeCranes

    It is true that the Allies committed large numbers of war crimes during World War 2, and World War 1. It is true that the modern ‘concentration camp’ was invented by the English during the Boer War, and was used to wage war on the Boer civilian population via terrorism. It is true that the ideas for the Boer War concentration camps came from the history of the British Empire ‘pacifying’ civilian populations they intended to rule, with much of it learned from terrorizing the Irish during the 17th century. It is true that the British Empire mastered committing war crimes and the terrorization of civilian populations a very long time before the 20th century dawned.

    It is also true that the Nazis were their own type of Modernist freaks and monsters, as evil as Marxists and Anarchists.

    In your silly romanticizing Modern Germans, you ignore far too much. Germanic peoples enter world history as nothing more than pirates. All they did was raid civilized peoples and settlements to steal, rape, and kill. That was the Germanic way of life, from time immemorial until they became Catholicized. The only Germanic tribe that became largely civilized before becoming Catholicized were the Franks. That occurred because the Franks, over some three centuries, became enmeshed economically and then culturally, and then with mixed marriages, with Gaulish tribes in what is today’s northern France. The Franks were acting less Germanic and more Celtic centuries before anybody thought it possible the Saxons could ever be halfway tamed and civilized. The Franks adopting Catholicism completed the transition rather quickly. Even before they became Catholic, the Franks had almost totally given up their ancestor’s Germanic language and adopted the emerging language of northern Gauls, which was an amalgamation of northern Gaulish dialects with Latin. That language would become known as French, but it is not and never was Germanic. The Franks cast aside Germanic language as they became civilized.

    It is most important that the Franks are the only Germanic tribe to convert to Catholicism en masse, rather quickly, with no outside pressure asserting that as pagans they were far too violent to tolerate (which is what Charlemagne told the world about the Continental Saxons, the last tribal group of non-Catholic, anti-Catholic Germans south of Scandinavia).

    You also fail to note, and then focus on, the fact that Angles and Saxons, Jutes and Frisians, Danes and Norwegians, were all Germanic. English culture is Germanic. WASP culture is Germanic. Anglo-Zionist empire is Germanic.

  152. joe2.5 says:
    @anon

    How horrible. Poor kids.

  153. Dumbo says:
    @ThreeCranes

    War is–or was–not a crime. Resistance by anyone not in uniform was and is a violation of the Hague Convention and is punishable by death. Resistance is not “a duty of every righteous citizen”. You have accepted an alien’s view of European war as it had been practiced for centuries. You bring these alien ethics to the table and then wonder why the Germans treated you and yours the way they did.

    Bullshit. If you invade my country, Mr. ThreeCranes, you will be received with bullets. With or without uniform.

    It’s funny, Germans invade other people countries’ and expect to be received with flowers. Fuck’em.

    Fuck also the Anglos too, of course. Bombing Dresden was certainly not “fair play”.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  154. Jake says:
    @Ed Case

    Hemingway’s mother was a perfect example in her time of Anglo-Saxon Puritan (secularized) womanhood, which had by then a long history of ‘Boston Marriages’ (lesbian relationships), as well as married WASP women who might as well have been not merely lesbian, but man-hating lesbian.

    It is no mistake that the first Feminist Conference was an exclusively WASP affair and that the WASP founded and run Seven Sisters colleges were producing Feminism and lesbianism in spades before the 20th century.

  155. Alfred says:
    @Anonymous

    To say that the psychology of this story is childish would be to waste good words.

    The fact that we are still discussing this story 85 years after it was published – and some readers initially don’t realise that she shot her husband – suggests that it is a good story.

    Below is a photo of one of the modern Nazis who invaded the Donbass in 2016 – in the hope of raping and killing some of the local inhabitants. A hero of Ukraine. A stooge of Israel and the USA.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Anonymous
  156. @ThreeCranes

    Well, there is always a legal concept of outlaw: forfeiture of rights, proscription, hostis humani generis etc

  157. @ThreeCranes

    Aerial bombardment of civilians was started by the Germans in Guernica and Warsaw long before the allies responded in kind. Anyway you seek to justify whatever the Germans did and that’s your prerogative, but I disagree.

    You are wrong about the Hague Convention allowing retaliation:

    The Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 avoided the issue of reprisals for “fear that express regulation might be interpreted as a legitimation of their use.” Some contend, however, that Article 50 of the 1907 Hague Regulations is the first primitive effort to codify the law of belligerent
    reprisals. That article reads: “No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the
    population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.”

    Shane Darcy, The Evolution of the Law of Belligerent Reprisals, Military Law Review, Vol. 175, (2003) pp. 184-251.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  158. anarchyst says:
    @Dumbo

    The entire “holocaust™” fable is a total fabrication that was unknown until it was “invented” in the 1960s.
    World “jewry” declared (economic) war on Germany in 1933.

    [MORE]

    Jew Theodore N. Kaufman authored a vile tome titled “Germany Must Perish” which advocated the total destruction of the German state, its culture, accomplishments and people–in other words “total genocide” of Germany, nothing was to be preserved–total eradication of everything German. This included mass forced sterilization of the German people. Kaufman’s advocacy of total destruction of Germany is right out of the jewish “playbook”, which has been the jewish mindset for thousands of years.
    The jews, among others picked up for the work camps were criminals, troublemakers, communists (which were a real threat in pre-WW2 Germany) and others. Jews hated the camps as ((they)) were forced to do manual labor for the first time in their lives. They lost their ability to swindle or grift their way to financial success.
    Most people are unaware that many jews lived uneventful and comfortable lives in European countries throughout WW2, France being a prime location.
    Anne Frank’s “family” was arrested for black-marketeering and smuggling. They were not “innocent jews”. Anne Frank succumbed to typhus while in the camp; her father was treated by doctors in the camp and survived the war. Now, if extermination of the jews was the norm, how did Otto Frank survive? Why would a hospital be needed in a “death camp”? As to Anne Frank’s “diary”, there are parts written with a ball-point pen, not invented til the 1950s. Time travel, anyone?
    As to the “holocaust™” itself, the engineering claims are impossible.
    Let’s look at a number of claims that have been made and have been ingrained in “holocaust™” orthodoxy:
    — using “bug spray” (Zyklon B) as an execution agent (ha ha)
    —“gas chambers” with ordinary wooden doors, not gas-tight doors
    —“gas chambers” with no means to ventilate the chambers after “operation”
    —“gas chamber” chimney not connected to anything
    —“blood spurting out of the ground” for weeks and months
    —“crematoria stacks with visible flames” (not possible) crematoria burn clean
    —“thousands of bodies cremated per day” (not possible)
    —“multiple bodies” in one “muffle” to “speed up” operations
    —“lampshades, soap and shrunken heads”, oh my
    —“the ability to tell when jews are being cremated by the smell or color of smoke”
    —“claimed burial grounds not being permitted to be disturbed” per jewish “law”
    —“If the “six million” figure is to be believed, the extermination would have been going on into the 1950s
    NONE of these claims are possible or valid and can be easily debunked using sound scientific and engineering principles.
    The “holocaust™” is indeed “the hoax of the twentieth (and twenty-first) centuries…

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  159. @Commentator Mike

    Just for information, attached is a resume on NS/partisans.

    It specifically addresses your issues with “Nazi German scum” and “Partisans”, mainly composed of communists and Jews who committed “horrific acts” incl eye-gouging, disembowelling, castration etc against uniformed soldiers and other civilians alike.
    Ref various works incl —

    The revisionist Wilfried Heink has written that “S. Schwarz also covers the Jewish partisan issue, quoting extensively from a book by Moshe Kaganovich, Der Idischer Ontayl in der Partizaner-Bevegung fun Sovet-Rusland (The Jewish role in the Soviet partisan movement, Central Historical Commission of the Partisan Federation PAKHAKH in Italy, Rome 1948; in: Soloman M. Schwarz, The Jews in the Soviet Union, Syracuse University Press, 1951, pp. 309 – 333). According to this, Jews even had their own Partisan Federation and bragged about their involvement after the war. All of it has disappeared, and only one copy of the Kaganovitch book available in Hebrew or Yiddish. Why? Because Jewish partisans just don’t fit into the newest version of “history,” in which Jews are depicted as innocent victims.”[1]

    Their legal status is —

    Partisans as unlawful combatants during WWII

    Also partisan attacks against military targets were often illegal, since the partisans were usually unlawful combatants. “The British Manual of Military Law” stated that partisans “are not entitled to the right of armed forces and are liable to execution as war criminals.”[1]

    More detail at https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Germany_and_partisans/resistance_movements

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Art
  160. @Dumbo

    No one said or implied that you or anyone else has no right to defend themselves. I affirm that right when I say that war is not a crime. As for so-called wars of aggression, well, as we have seen, claims for rightness invariably devolve into each side tracing its justifications further and further back in time, each claiming that the other originated the conflict by some distant offence. What’s the point? It’s no wonder that Sartre and the existentialists called bullshit on all that, labeling it “bad faith”. What you do is what you do here and now. Your past is not dictating the decision you make right now. There is a certain appeal to this in that, if nothing else, it puts an end to the incessant whining about the past, however, humanity doesn’t seem to really work that way as people always seek justification for their present actions by referring to their remembered past. So did the SS start the atrocities against the civilian population of occupied countries or people like you who fought out of uniform? I’m no Solomon. I only note that war per se is not or was not illegal. It may be undesirable, or hopefully avoidable, but, as I am trying to point out, once it has broken out, the European nations had drafted rules by which they sought to minimize the harm caused to the civilian population.

    You may be surprised to know that under the Hague Conventions, the care and feeding of the occupied people was the responsibility of the occupying power and that they had the right to appoint a government made up of representatives of the native population to administer the occupied region. So, there was nothing inherently wrong about the e.g. Vichy government, no reason for later, post-war reprisals against collaborators carried out by former resistance fighters.

    Too, prisoners of war could be put to work to defray the expense of maintaining them. They were to be paid a specified wage (the formula for which I forget). And so on. The conventions were quite explicit in dealing with all aspects of treatment of civilians, non-combatant volunteers and prisoners of war.

    It appears to me as though all parties violated the Convention. I am not wise enough to sort out the various claims of who struck first and what was in retaliation for what. I only note that no one was innocent and that the minds of almost all Americans still labor within the confines of wartime propaganda. Hollywood volunteered to lend its services in creating that propaganda and we can judge the likely truth of that effort by examining one simple Hollywood movie subplot. Every movie today has its exploding automobile scene, wherein the car going over the cliff or colliding with another, bursts apart in a magnificent explosion. It just doesn’t happen that way. I’ve seen a power boat burn to the waterline and the gas tank never exploded. It’s a myth. Just as Hollywood’s depiction of the evils of Germany is a myth. Only an impressionable fool believes Hollywood’s version of events to be true, by which I mean as corresponding to actual events.

  161. “There are countless more now. Mushy, with man tits, we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.”

    Mushy, tit-ed man are an opportunity for a nice boy-girl out of Borough Park (((read into it what you like))) to at once commence a line of multi cultural bras and panties.

  162. @Another Polish Perspective

    Francis Macomber’s surname, however, strangely evokes the African snake known as mamba. Either that, or something African.

    As Poles are the negroes of Europe according to Msr. Dessalines, I will interpret this as the Pan-African perspective on the text. Most white people West of the Oder, Europe’s dividing line from Greater Africa, would just assume “Mac” & “Omber” as Gaelic.

  163. Pheasant says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘Yeah, you’re right about Mailer’s ambitions I’ve always found extremely amusing;^)))

    Unlike you, I’ve read perhaps 5-6 Mailer’s fictions & could not immediately tell what he was up to, until I figured out that he, although trying to be “Hemingway all the way”- was basically just a gifted egotist who wanted to be a celebrity. Hemingway, whichever his deficiency, was an authentic writer who, also, wanted a celebrity status. But Hem had a vision of life, and his was a story teller as the true vocation.

    Mailer just wanted to be me-me-me celebrity.

    I didn’t read his most acclaimed work (The Executioner’s Song), but I did his war novel, then Why are We in Vietnam, The Deer Park, The Armies of the Night, then The Ancient Evenings, plus some minor stuff (Marilyn Monroe’s bio, as well a book about Henry Miller).

    Mailer is operating on two levels: one, dominant, is: me-me-me, I’m a celebrity, whoa, let’s bring some booze, huh how macho I am, yaaay….. The other is an aspect of Walt Whitman, seeing a life as an arena for playing out acts of heroic vitalism (Whitman is much more complex, that’s just a part of him).

    But Mailer got lost between his craving for publicity & confused efforts of writing about everything (booze, sex, ancient Egypt, Hitler, Vietnam, the Pacific war, blacks, ….). At the end, it all looks to me a wasted effort of an inflated & immature ego. Perhaps it was all satisfying for him personally (a bunch of marriages & divorces, public scandals,..)- but it shows he was not an authentic author with a calling, just an insecure egotist desperate for being constantly in the limelight’

    Yup.

    Its a shame really that as an actual combat veteran he couldnt come up with anything better.

  164. Funny…. The article is about a Hemingway story, what it is “about”.

    And most people write about:

    Hem’s life and what they don’t like about it
    Sexual mores of the Victorian times
    WW2, partisans, war crimes
    Gays, Nazis, Communists, whatever….

    I don’t mind reading others’ opinions on anything, nor about freely associating, but- can’t you just stick, more or less, to the subject?

  165. I’ve only recently picked up some used books with some Hemingway titles thrown in. Never read a story from beginning to end but fully intend to. One day. From what I gather, the author, Mr. Dinh, and commentators, have condensed the tale enough that I get the overall gist. One Francis, having rediscovered his balls, was put down like a dog by his missus because she wasn’t about to let that go on.

  166. Pheasant says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘I graduated from college at 19 (some 50 years ago) with a degree in Engl Lit without ever having read anything by Hemingway (or Shakespeare, for that matter). With an English department run and staffed by Jews, endless hours were wasted listening to them drone on about the magnificence of their Saul Bellows and Isaac Babels. But as Mr. Dinh says, there is a great reward experiencing Hemingway etc after you have a few decades of living under your belt and that is what I have been doing the last decade or so.

    Follyofwar–oh kindred spirit!–is the first person I’ve come across to also admit not ever having been able to finish anything by Norman Mailer. The Naked and The Dead was a pretentious and agonizingly boring book that got thrown into the garbage can after 50 pages, and over the years everything else he wrote got tossed after 15 pages or less. Stormin Norman simply couldn’t string two sentences together to any meaningful effect, and I believe he sold more books due to his bizarre antics (the spats with Gore Vidal, stabbing his wife in the stomach, etc) than through any writing abilities.

    Mr. Dinh, I always appreciate your contributions to Unz Review. You have a capacity for non-habitual perception–or should I just say some kind of wacky kaleidoscopic brain–that alters my own vision in some unique way every time I read your work’

    Thanks.

  167. Pheasant says:
    @Montefrío

    ‘Learned the “face the fear” lesson at age nine and never looked back. Fear is a normal and instinctive emotional response to a physical threat, unlike anxiety, which is not synonymous with fear, given that it’s a psychological rather than an instinctive response to a threat to self-image, not physical integrity. Once learned, the lesson may not guarantee a happy life and/or death, but goes a long way toward avoiding neuroses.’

    Interesting thanks.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  168. @unwoke

    All women really want from a husband or facsimile is money.

    Come on now. Sure there are gold diggers out there, and some woman are absolutely evil. But saying ALL women ONLY care about money is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe you need to meet some new women…

  169. Kudos, Linh Dinh. That visceral essay gets at the essence of the American decline. Some Woke commenters immediately invoked post-modern media language and mindset to trash Hemmingway specifically and macho in general. They would have done the same with Ruark, Audie Murphy, Patton or any other icon of the extinguished Heroic Age. We now reside comfortably in Pussyville, where normal men have to explore the Phillippines or Guatamala to find authentic females who don’t act like the Harpy socialite in The Honey Badger. This role reversal is strange and unnatural. I’d love to be still around to watch what must happen to such momma’s boys when this whole artificial society collapses. They can’t flee, and they certainly won’t fight.

  170. @saggy

    I agree. People make his work out to be some deep, insightful, pseudo philosophy. In reality, I think Hemmingway and many other authors are just glorified B.S. slingers. They paint everything in a twisted, perverse manner, which actually says more about themselves than the subject they are describing.

    In short, most of his characters are shallow, evil people. But that does not mean real people are mostly like that; rather Hemmingway was like that and was projecting.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  171. @Arthur MacBride

    Well there is that custom of warfare “no fraternizing with the enemy” and severe punishment for those who do.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  172. @anarchyst

    Sir, I think both of you are right. The holocaust IS a HOAX. But at the same time, there is no doubt the Germans killed many civilians; and a huge number of their prisoners died. It might be cliche; but I think the saying “War is Hell” is fitting here. In most total wars, where huge numbers of armed men are fighting to the bitter end, non combatants end up in the mix. Those without swords can still die upon them. From what he actually wrote, Dumbo was not pushing the holohoax narrative; he is just explaining (correctly) that painting ww2 in black and white is silly.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  173. @Dumbo

    Along with Borges, please include Gabriel García Márquez, whose novel One Hundred Years of Solitude must rank as one of the greats of the latter half of the 20th century even if his other works were lesser.

  174. Now- I myself am straying from the topic. I was never interested in lesbians raising sons. Actually- I never thought of it. But, I’ve googled it and …. see for yourself.

    Lesbian couple found guilty of murdering two-year-old son

    [MORE]

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/31/lesbian-couple-found-guilty-of-murdering-two-year-old-son/

    Brazilian mother and lesbian lover ‘tore off nine-year-old’s penis’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7146517/Brazilian-mother-27-lesbian-lover-28-tore-nine-year-old-sons-penis.html

    Baltimore Lesbian Couple Charged with Killing 4-Year-Old Son

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/08/04/baltimore-lesbian-couple-charged-with-killing-4-year-old-son-found-dead-in-dumpster/

    Lesbian Kills Daughter, Blames Bible Sermon After Partner Breaks Up With Her

    https://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/05/31/lesbian-kills-daughter-blames-bible-sermon-after-partner-breaks-her

    Details Revealed About Lesbian Couple’s Horrific Abuse Of Their 5-Year-Old Son That Caused Two Strokes And Broken Bones

    https://www.yourtango.com/2017306840/details-oklahoma-lesbian-couple-child-abuse-son-jail-duct-tape

    Lesbians convicted of child abuse lose appeal (14753)

    https://www.advocate.com/news/2005/01/08/lesbians-convicted-child-abuse-lose-appeal-14753

    Miami mom is on trial a third time for the torture and murder of ‘Baby Lollipops’

    Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article187949979.html#storylink=cpy

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article187949979.html

    Murder charge mother ‘failed’ son Liam

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36342256

    Huff-Puff lies, as ever:

    Child Abuse Rate At Zero Percent In Lesbian Households, New Report Finds

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lesbians-child-abuse-0-percent_n_781624

    The hatred of men is a theme in the lesbian radical feminist community. From Emily McComb’s

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/12/29/huffington-post-editor-reveals-new-years-resolution-kill-all-men/

    So- why do have sons? Not adopted? Mother nature is a wise woman ….

    https://albertmohler.com/2004/12/14/lesbians-raising-sons-got-a-problem-with-that

    In her introduction, Jess Wells explains that the whole issue of lesbians raising sons is due to a biological circumstance. “A socially and biologically driven phenomenon is producing a disproportionate number of male children within the current lesbian baby boom. Lesbians who choose to undergo donor insemination now have at least a 65 percent chance of bearing a son.” Wells went on to explain why this is so. She argues that male sperm weigh less than female sperm and therefore swim faster and are more likely to reach the egg ahead of sperm without a Y chromosome. The disproportionate number of boys born to lesbian mothers is thus, at least in part, an ironic slap in the face from an unforgiving biological fact.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  175. Mefobills says:

    Linh says this:

    There are countless more now. Mushy, with man tits, we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.

    Goebbels says this:

    https://truthtopowernews.com/goebbels-brilliant-1933-speech-masculine-women-feminine-men-low-birth-rates-it-could-have-been-n3569

    The feminization of men always leads to the masculinization of women

    The opposite may be true also. The masculinization of women leads to the feminization of men.

    In Goebbel’s world, the woman would be at home raising his children, while the man would be hunting the lion. Hemmingway was reacting to liberalism, as was Goebbels, as is Dinh.

    • Thanks: Iris
  176. Nodwink says:
    @MGB

    Wasn’t Hemingway a communist? Everyone seems to be talking about him this week, and a number of people have said this.

    • Replies: @WJ
    , @ricpic
  177. Jake says:
    @Alfred

    An evil whore for Anglo-Zionist Empire is how I would phrase it.

    If these ‘Ukrainian patriots’ get their way, their Anglo-Zionist masters will flood their land with Negroes and Mohammedans, with Jews and Sodomites from all over the globe owning most of the property worth having.

    • Agree: Lucy Lipinska
  178. barr says:
    @Jake

    Blame the current shape of militarism and capitalism. It has taken a toll on most of our values and wrecked the processes that make the values endure .

    One thing leads to another. Excessive police brutality leads to overcompensatory behaviors on the part of the white in their personal lives.
    The commercial campaign to present marijuhana as cure for all ailments or all most all ails, hides the desperate attempt to mitigate the poverty of the county and state ,and the prifiteering zeal of the industries, the impotence of the health regulatory bodies , and the backhand validation of the drug abuse . But you cant tell that. Then we see kids coming school stoned with leaving with failing grades to enter nore darker drug lane . Sudden upsurge of diagnosis of ADHD ,visibikity of billbords of testing ,and medicalization of the problem hide the confluence of the pharamceutucals,testing,doctors,and ignores the reality of stress ,anger,disintegration and breakdown of lives and rehabilates drug use which generates its iwn adverse outcome necessitating further medicalization.
    Oxycontin makers hiding its presence, was asking dictors and nurses to ask for pain in thousands differnt ways to evey adult in each visits (as if I wouldnt disclose my pain to the nurses. )
    We see soldiers returning with damaged brains,lost limbs,and lost mind only to be duscarded like piece of tissue by the wasteful government and routed to the donation and charity for survival .
    Vet know,soldiers know ,recruiters know ,but still no one has the balls to scream at 1 trillion industry meant for killing .
    Its not only tax form , insurance claim,or appeal to denial of services by health insurance ,or college admission,or filling out form for an apartment , or seeking infirmation on the services for Autistic son ,but everything where we come across the beurocracy ,red- tape, and a machine meant not to deliver a service but to impede .

    War was a racket and it is still. But the shaclkes ,restarints,road blocks put on day day conduct of businesses are also spokes of that big wheel of the racket.

    There is no peace . Only emotion is anger and only emotion allowed to be expressed is posituve feeling. Society is atomized . None is safe . Offsprings not from parent and parents not from children.

    Trying to live every moment folowing the rules of corporations,social media,Hollywood idols, TV celebrities , has robbed the meaning of existence. There is no continuity for self .
    Duplicity perfected by government ,corporations,media ,military ,police,justice system and the academia have replaced our religious and spiritual anchoring . There no sense of reward only avoidance of punishment and ridicule and public shaming.
    Jockeying inside these developments is the enigma of our full throttled collaborations to belong to these dark forces ,to be validated by Trump or Antifa,by Bill Gates or by the pro life ,or by pro open border,or by abortion rights, anti vax or pro vaccine, Corona is conspiracyor simple flu to Corona is Chibese flu take your pick , anywhere on any subject.
    The perennial violence and sustained tension,discomfort,and dusagreement are not only the norms but also made permanent fixtures . Every attempt is made to maintain this state of affairs.
    Animal instincsts are bound to overwhelm and dominate other attributes.
    Thus is where we are today.

    • Replies: @anon
  179. Alfred says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Though barely noticed, it is remarkable and even revolutionary, for it depicts a woman leaving her boyfriend for a woman

    I agree. It is a taboo subject. But it is much more common than one imagines. The mother of my son left me for another beautiful Norwegian girl – a model. I was a bit surprised as I only found out after the separation. Later, she married a boring Norwegian guy and had a daughter with him. 🙂

    In a similar way, few women know the truth about their bisexual husbands. I suspect there is a lot of denial going on. Maybe they prefer that he should have an extramarital dalliance with a man?

    For some reason, these events are rarely mentioned in the media or in modern literature. They also pretend that men who have male partners don’t cheat. Frankly, it is weird. From my observations, I believe that homosexuals can be outlandishly promiscuous. The prevalence of STI’s in that society gives the game away.

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  180. macilrae says:

    There are countless more now. Mushy, with man tits, we slouch in the dark to devour savagery on our screens.

    Gosh, what an interesting commentary. I shouldn’t be surprised if Francis was turned on by his wife’s interlude in Wilson’s arms – today there are whole websites catering to would be cuckolds and, although that attests to the above quote, I suspect it’s a pretty ancient phenomenon – a product of a quirk in our evolution where cuckolds are better at nurturing offspring (theirs as well as others’) and blokes like Wilson are better at making strong babies. A species survival strategy with the cuckold getting his jollies vicariously!

    Great writing Dinh, as always.

  181. anarchyst says:
    @stevennonemaker88

    Your statement: A huge number of their prisoners died is incorrect.
    Although I believe that one life lost is one too many, the actual number of deaths in the camps was approximately 271,000 compiled from official International Red Cross records (Bad Arelson releases). 271,000 deaths pales compared to the 6,000,000 claimed by the “holohoax™” promoters. Most of the deaths were near the end of hostilities as the Allied destruction of the logistics and transportation infrastructure was the primary reason for the typhus deaths within the camps. Needed supplies could not get to the camps; hence, the lack of sanitation which was largely ignored by the jews themselves. General George Patton had remarks about the filthy habit of jews sans camps.
    As to the camps themselves, mistreatment of inmates by German guards was severely punished, as healthy workers were needed for the war effort.
    Day-to-day camp operations were run by jewish “kapos” who did hold (illegal) life and death decisions over those in their charge. Kapos were ruthless in their enforcement of petty capricious “rules” that they themselves formulated and enforced.
    It is interesting to note that at the end, camp inhabitants chose to flee with the Germans instead of waiting for their Allied “liberators”. THAT, in itself speaks VOLUMES and adds to the proof of the falsehoods of the so-called “holocaust™”…

    • Thanks: Lucy Lipinska
    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  182. Trinity says:
    @Dumbo

    Two of the only short stories that we had to read in high school that I actually enjoyed were “A Good Man Is Hard To Find” by Flannery O’Connor and “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson.

    IF I read fiction I always liked Jack London, Herman Melville, Joseph Conrad type of stories.

    IF Hemingway had lived longer he probably would have been one of those celebrity types like Marlon Brando marching on Washington during the Swindle Whites Movement. Hemingway was a Norman Mailer type. He was a writer who wrote fictional stories and lived in a make believe world, he longed to be something he was not. Both these guys were crotch sniffers and loved to hang around fighters, Hemingway even sparred with Gene Tunney. Of course, Tunney only relented to playfully spar with Hemingway after being badgered nonstop. Hemingway, true to his character, saw an opportunity and attempted to catch the mild mannered Tunney off guard by digging in a hard shot in what was suppose to be little more than a light sparring session. Tunney shot out a jab that stopped just short of Hemingway’s nose and told him, “don’t ever do that again.” Commie boy Hemingway got the message loud and clear.

    Hemingway struck me as the typical LEFTIST writer that always shoots to the top of NYT bestseller lists because he is promoted by the (((usual suspects.))) IF alive today, he would align himself with the (((Hollywood))) crowd, the DeNiros, the Sean Penns, and that goofy writer, New England Puritan boy, anti-White, shabbos goy, Stephen King.

  183. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Alfred, these cavemen should be advised
    “leave the past alone and deal with the present, boys! uhm …cavemen!”
    from “Midnight in Paris”

    • Thanks: Alfred
  184. @Commentator Mike

    Fair enough, too, Mike …

    Just as long as your govt’s enemy is actually your enemy … in the bloodbaths of C20th Europe this was not always so, viz when people openly welcomed the Wehrmacht as liberators, lined the streets, showered them with flowers, enlisted in their army or formed their own SS divisions to join in the fight against their oppressors/torturers etc of judeo-bolshevism … even some Russians … some in the Baltic countries continued the fight more than five years after the Germans were defeated, even though militarily hopeless … (search “Forest Brothers”)

    Of course judeo-bolshevism survived to rape half of Europe, crucify children to barn doors etc thanks to being supplied by USA and to a lesser extent Perfidious Albion … approx 10 million Germans died AFTER 1945 in the occupation by USSR-USA-GB-Fr … (search “Eisenhower — Rhine Meadows Camps” for example)

    The metapedia file you have is a useful resource and worth preserving as material is being expunged, as history is being rewritten and Americans particularly seem to faithfully adhere to what Hollywood tells them is the truth …
    But there are indications that a more balanced account is now emerging.
    It is even possible to imagine that a maybe significant portion of Americans might welcome significant opposition to their own parasite-owned/run “government” …

    Wish you the best.

    • Thanks: Lucy Lipinska
  185. @sarz

    I am a student of sacrifice, animal and human, as a pathway to transcendence,

    There is only one sacrifice that anybody can make. Suicide. Everything else is the equivalent of smashing an acorn with a hammer. Transcendence or favor with the worshipped?

    Terminating the life of an animal or indeed a cabbage in order to placate some God or Goddess, or to curry favor with the same supreme being makes the assumption that life termination is in the best interest of the god or goddess, i.e. a fondness for pain, suffering, agony and finally, for Death.

    “Lead us not into temptation”, was only recently changed, (by the PTB), in the Lord’s prayer (Our Father), and for good reason.

  186. Stefano says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I completely agree. Hemingway is pseudo-masculine, his obsession with these things, and his bizarre sexual fixations, are frankly absurd. And there is certainly nothing to admire about his stilted, sterile prose. Totally overrated, thank god he’s on the way out.

    • Agree: Lucy Lipinska
  187. 3g4me says:
    @Montefrío

    @ 151 Montefrio: A lovely comment and a genuine tribute to the institution of marriage.

    • Agree: stevennonemaker88
    • Replies: @Montefrío
  188. anon[484] • Disclaimer says:
    @barr

    You should include the mass shootings dotting the landscape today .Obviously availability of guns make it easy but the reason might lie in the employment agreement on bathroom breaks while driving half size semi and delivering stuff to people only to come home and see worsting of existing ills at home.
    Amazon employees found 15 dollars a good deal and union was not necessary . Union is still empowerment and if it is and why do police and firefighters have it .Non unionized union of the plutocrats are so obvious also .See the blathering over military withdrawals or anger for not deploying from the same circle. See the chorus of anger from the wall street at interest hiking or at auditing or at
    tax raise . They do have an union .

    Do those morons tell us how many employees or owners lost their livelihoods when 1 million business got wiped out by Amazon ? Do they tell us if Amazon pay more taxes than those business collectively paid ?

    Yuy should include the discrepancy about taxation. Some one working two jibs make money and pay 40 percent tax while Amazon or local chain store dont same because money suddenly become different when earned by working pants off and when earned by thinking or organizing or merging or cheating government .

    People have reasons to be mad .They are mad at wrong people. Just like the terrorist in Paris street are .

  189. @anarchyst

    I have seen that figure before. I’m sure it is valid, but I doubt it includes the total soviet prisoners of war. Either way, hundreds of thousands of civilians IS a huge number.

    I share alot of common ground with you, and I don’t want this to turn into a bitter argument over a slightly different shade of meaning. I absolutely agree that the holocaust was a hoax. I also agree that the allied crimes were greater than the Germans. For example, the allies killed more civilians bombing FRANCE than the Germans killed bombing the UK.

    However, I think that it is absolutely valid to say that in ww2, all sides had innocent blood on their hands. We cannot take the knee jerk reaction and say that because the allies were bad, the axis powers were good. Their is no doubt the Japanese were extremely brutal, and the fact that the Germans were allies with them speaks for itself. In addition, I have read of the Germans executing numerous civilians in areas of Eastern Europe were they had trouble with the population. OF course, it’s next to impossible to pinpoint who the guerillas are when they blend in with the population. Nevertheless, it was innocent blood shed.

    The extreme, black and white view of history will virtually ALWAYS lead to a false picture, because human nature, and the reality in general, is not binary and all or nothing.

  190. @Alfred

    The mother of my son left me for another beautiful Norwegian girl – a model.

    That is awful. Sorry to here that. The Nordic woman are beautiful, but their souls have been all but destroyed by feminism, atheism, etc.

    A man is better off with a down to earth village girl from the third world who hasn’t been spoiled to death, and needs her man to survive.

  191. @Dumbo

    You are right on the money, Dumbo!

    It is human nature to place everything into a black and white, binary box. Reality just isn’t like that. It is complex, and there are almost always many more than two sides or valid points of view.

    I’m in the camp that the holocaust narrative is a hoax; At the same time, the Germans did have plenty of blood on their hands (mostly eastern European Christians).

  192. Hacienda says:

    I’m glad I slept thru US public education. No real memories of Hemingway, Shakespeare, Cotton Mather, William Wordsworth, etc. taking up precious mental resources.

    WTF is interesting about a WASP sensualist killing African animals?

  193. anarchyst says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    …Children in homosexual households are starting to speak out that “something was missing” in their lives–a heterosexual parent, one of the opposite sex. Of course, the homosexual movement will attempt to stamp out any truth about their deviant behavior resulting from their sordid lifestyle, just as they are successfully doing, making “conversion therapy” illegal in a number of states.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  194. Kommando7 says:
    @anon

    She shot him because he had found his courage, his self-esteem…his “manhood”. And
    indeed she knew he would ditch her as a result. That is why she shot him, to retain her pride and standing as the alpha in their relationship, not for the inheritance $$$. (Though she wouldnt have turned it down). A hardened terroristic women, indeed.

  195. @Bardon Kaldian

    I think it was alcoholism that reduced him to one dimension writer in comparison to Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  196. WJ says:
    @Nodwink

    About all I know of Heminway is from this tedious series by Ken Burns currently running on tv. He openly spoke out against the state and refused to support the left in the mid 30s but he ran to Spain and took up the loyalist cause there. He even covered for Soviet sponsored atrocities during the war.

    He was kind of a POS. He dumped wives with wild abandon and called his father a coward for committing suicide. Something that he himself would do in 61.

    The series is at times unwatchable because Hemingway’s voice is the wormy weak tongue of Jeff Daniels. Even worse is that they insert John Mcshitstain in the show several times.

    • Replies: @ricpic
    , @David In TN
  197. Pericles says:
    @MGB

    As a girl once told me, “every woman loves a fascist”. (Seems it’s a Sylvia Plath quote.)

  198. Pericles says:
    @Leander Starr

    Green is a real Swedish name (a misspelling of ‘gren’ or ‘branch’). Actress Eva Green gets her last name from a Swedish dad, for example.

    Just to confuse things further, we also use ‘berg’ without being jewish. Like, Ingmar Bergman.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  199. @3g4me

    Thank you! It’s heartfelt, no question of that.

  200. @Rev. Spooner

    Or he just wasn’t so gifted?

    People differ in talents, that’s life…

  201. @Pheasant

    You’re welcome and thanks as well. Anyone who’s ever been in imminent danger of grievous physical harm and/or death knows that being “afraid” of losing a job or some such is an exaggeration and a misuse of the word. “Concerned”; “Worried”; yes, fine, but when a peeved peccary comes charging out of the tall grass with you in his hard, beady and focused eyes, well, you feel fear!

  202. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    Is Harry in here somewhere?

  203. ricpic says:
    @Nodwink

    Hemingway was a communist in the way Picasso was a communist. In that period you couldn’t be an artist without being a communist. The exceptions were just that, exceptional. It was the fashion. Comes to think of it it still is.

    • Replies: @CCG
  204. Alfred says:
    @ThreeCranes

    then the number slain by the SS was perfectly reasonable, appropriate and justified by the Rules of War.

    On the Eastern Front, if a partisan killed a German soldier, they rounded up 50 people from his village and shot 49 of them. They let one go to pass on the message.

    Well, I was not there so I cannot confirm the above. But this sort of thing followed their logic.

    Let’s not forget that Belarus lost more than 30% of its population.

    In total, Nazis burnt down and destroyed 1,377 villages in Ukraine. The Koryukivka tragedy was the most massive and bloodiest not only within the territory of the Soviet Union, but throughout Europe. It happened on March 1, 1943.

    The forgotten tragedy of Koryukivka: How the Nazis exterminated a town of 7,000 souls

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Jazman
  205. ricpic says:
    @WJ

    Haven’t seen the Burns’ Hemingway. But based on Burns’ knee-jerk “good liberal” stance I wouldn’t trust it.

    Admittedly Hemingway was a lot of bad things and did a lot of bad things. Does that detract from the genius of his writing? Well, that’s been a big part of the debate about him since his death.

  206. @anarchyst

    I partly agree, but mostly disagree (I’m rather liberal about gays, except their possibility of adoption). My take is- it is mostly biological & one cannot do much about them. Let them live their lives without bothering others (and without being bothered by others).

    But, what I have noticed over time is an unpleasant thing: gays or male homosexuals usually like women, while there is a hatred towards men among not few lesbians (a minority, but still …).

    Gays, as a rule, either ignore women or, if they’re more feminine type, like their company (gossip, trifles, small talk about shopping or dressing,…). I don’t know many guys, but I haven’t seen a single one who hated women.

    I know even less lesbians, but, from what I’ve heard- a non-significant minority, perhaps 20-30%, hates masculinity. Don’t know why it is- but it seems to be true.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  207. Treg says:

    “With almost no life experience, you can’t fully grasp their deeper meanings. Nothing prevents you from rereading them much later, however, and a masterful work should be revisited again and again.” — I do not think Americans are returning to the book. That is not what is happening in America today. But there is good news I think.

    It seems to me that those over 35 are rediscovering Western American history and its political philosophy and everything else worth saving and knowing and this is all thanks to very good youtube presentations and great Netflix Dramas. We just might be going through a massive re-education that we ordinarily would not have if just left to Gutenberg printing press and the book.

    Look at Netflix, Hulu, Youtube & Bitchute for example. The popularity of historical dramas and real historical education has exploded. People want “the real history” and writers are doing their best. For example, in just the last year I have consumed such hits as ‘The Last Kingdom, Vikings, Reign, Versailles, Turn, Medici, The Borgias, Frontier, The Tudors’, Dangerous Beauty, Victor Hugo’s Las Miserable”. And I have consumed various Youtube, Bitchute, Oddessy, Minds, Rumble that is all busy educating, saving, and spreading more historical knowledge to the masses.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love books and have a large library, but the library of great videos now is getting much longer. My reading has been greatly reduced, from one nonfiction book a month pre-2010 to now perhaps 1 or 2 books per year. I cannot be the only one.

    It is like the Gutenberg printing press times 1000. For example, if Lin Dinh had a podcast channel and video of his travels, I would be a regular subscriber. As it is, I am happy with the 6 youtube videos with Lin that I could find, I am not complaining. But his reach would be a thousand times broader. It is the wild ride we are all on, this internet, even with readers like me.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  208. @Treg

    You like to be brainwashed, unless you are speaking in absolute satire.

    North American Culture (notice NOT Mexico) is all about having lack of attention span and immediate self-gratification.

    That is what video culture is all about: one is still watching TV.

    • Agree: Iris
  209. Alfred says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Aerial bombardment of civilians was started by the Germans in Guernica and Warsaw long before the allies responded in kind

    Actually, the British were bombing the inhabitants of Mesapotania and Afghanistan a long time before that. They published a list of payments that would be made for the return for any pilot captured. The payment was on a graduated scale – depending on how intact the pilot was on his return. So much deducted for each missing eye, leg, arm, finger and so on. 🙂

    Here is a bit of laconic RAF English:

    Sheikh Mahmoud Barzanji (not to be confused with Mustapha Barzani, another prominent Kurdish nationalist) was an heroic freedom fighter to his people, which made him a problem for those responsible for administering the British Mandate. He was often referred to as “CinC RAF Training” by those obliged to deal with the unrest that he stirred up from time to time.

    These “training flights” dropped bombs on helpless villagers.

    Royal Air Force Historical Society – Journal 48

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  210. It is fun to see Linh Dinh write about Hemingway shortly after some of us commenters participated here on UR in a discussion about that writer. I, in particular, had a few choice words about the man, Ernest, who, I wrote, seems to have tried too hard to be manly.

    He was a little bit like a writer who wanders around the world and deliberately seeks crappy places from which to pontificate and pretend to be one of the people.

    Mr. Dinh’s stock fell to zero when he wrote that the Apollo expeditions to the Moon were faked. That was a low point, and from then on I have seen Linh as a one-trick pony whose schtick is hanging out in dives around the world and writing about it — as if none of us have ever been in a dive or traveled. It gets thin after a while, especially after the writer has proven himself to be an idiot regarding one of the most significant achievements in history.

    But this is a nice essay, and we appreciate it — especially because it carries the strong scent of having been inspired by us. Keep up the good work, Linh. I will buy you a beer if I ever meet up with you in a shitty bar somewhere. It’s possible, and I would enjoy it. I do respect you. See?

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Dumbo
  211. Alfred says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Francis Macomber’s surname, however, strangely evokes the African snake known as mamba. Either that, or something African.

    In Swahili, the common language of much of East Africa, “makamba” means “tortoise”

    In Shona, the language of much of Zimbabwe, “makombar” means “missiles”

    Sorry about this useless information. 🙁

  212. Tom F. says:

    My high school English teacher made a point of saying that Ernest Hemingway was, ultimately, a coward. At the time, I thought my teacher was referring to Hemingway’s end (he probably was) and discourage a bunch of teenagers from making an impulsive and final choice.

    But I re-examine this story, and the ‘Robert Wilson’ character seems to physically and mentally embody the kind of man Hemingway tried to become. Capable, willing to act in the moment (even at 3am), and insightful to the motivations of wealthy, attractive, soft American men and women.

    “All poets would rather be boxers” was another gem my teacher imparted. Hemingway was both. Cowardice is decided in the moment.

    Linh Dinh, you have given me a lot to ponder, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

  213. anon[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Dinh’s stock fell to zero when he wrote that the Apollo expeditions to the Moon were faked

    They weren’t?

    This must be a sly joke. I can be a bit dim.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Ray Caruso
  214. @Bardon Kaldian

    Reductio ad Hitlerum.

    Blessed are ones who cannot be plausibly treated in such a way.

    Hemingway is not one of them.

    Funny how Karl May, the German writer of wilderness, (yes, even of Africa!) was a complete opposite of Hemingway. He did not travel really.

  215. @niteranger

    While I sometimes like the articles I read on Unz, I think the editor should drop these analyses of old books and old movies. Why? To take one story of Hemingway’s and then generalize about its subjects is easy but inaccurate. You have to read all of Hemingway’s stories, all of his novels, all of his memoirs to understand that he was a creative artist, as are all the great writers. They get an idea for a story or a novel, write it, and then wait for inspiration to strike again. No single example sums up Hemingway or any other writer. It’s simplistic to think so. Fiction is not social science, the bane of our times indulged in by millions of lesser talents.
    s

  216. Hemingway had American women nailed. With honorable exceptions, they are the worst women in the world and I have known all kinds of women from all over. Most American women would benefit immensely from a bit of the old Sean Connery treatment. Fortunately, American men are under no obligation to marry or support these harpies. Advice to young American men: Find a real woman, somewhere else.

  217. @Supply and Demand

    Oh. Passive-Aggressive Militant Puritanism strikes again. Nonetheless, if Mr Dessaline, the dictator of Haiti had really said that, that would have been a praise then!
    But the great great German German (!) Frederic the Great said that Poles were Iroqueses…?
    I like that more.
    BTW, the cultural border is Elbe, not Oder.

    When you Puritans decide the matter finally, I will listen.

    And did you mean those strange Celts who seem to have worshipped some sort of lingam? Where did that come from? India?

    https://www.sott.net/article/451530-Ancient-untouched-and-highly-unusual-tomb-discovered-on-Dingle-Peninsula-Ireland

    Doesn’t the current taoiseach of Ireland have an Indian name, by the way? Varadkar? Maybe this is more than accident of (heritage)….

  218. durd says:
    @Anonymous

    Most sensible men would act like a gazelle when faced with a lion???? That’s not what a learned caveman would do.

  219. @anon

    I can be a bit dim.

    Obviously you are a bit “Dinh.”

  220. @Alfred

    You left out the key part of my sentence. I said “If as many of them who claim to have done so actually did so then…”

    I am not remarking about the actual number of people slain by the SS. I am talking about the number of people who came out after the war and claimed to have been unsung heroes.

  221. EdK says:

    This story is the main reason I never take my wife hunting with me.

    • LOL: Iris
  222. anarchyst says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I respect your viewpoint but must disagree. LISTEN TO THE CHILDREN in these dysfunctional households. Even children know “something is wrong”, not having parents, one of the opposite sex…
    Of course, homosexuals should not be mistreated, but when it comes to children, homosexual households should be off-limits.
    Regards,

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  223. Alfred says:
    @Linh Dinh

    The photo accompanying this article shows the outside of the Hemingway Bar, here in Tirana.

    When I lived in Paris, I once dropped in onLa Closerie des Lilas. I cannot remember who was with me. I had no idea it had been a haunt of Hemingway. I was seated at a table that had inscribed on it in French something to the effect that this was Ernest Hemingway’s favourite table. Just saying …

    I have never been to the Hemingway bar at the Ritz Hotel or Harry’s New York Bar. I avoid touristy places.

  224. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @E_Perez

    Oh, yes, the great Hemingway! Obsessed with sex, showing his manhood killing protected animals from safe distances and boasting to have murdered German prisoners of war.

    Yep, the war ‘hero’ who drove a taxi for wounded soldiers in a bullshit war, what a testament to masculinity he was.

    Hey, at least he died an ill, haunted, broke & broken suicide – so the story had a happy ending.

    • Agree: HVM
  225. anon 21 says:
    @Agathoklis

    Machismo cruelty framed as some transcendent sacred rite.

  226. @David Rodriguez

    I agree with your advice. I married a Guatemalan woman, and have three kids with her.

  227. partic says:

    Another very good article.
    I do think Margot is treated unfairly by Linh, and women, in general, by most of the commentators.
    On one hand both Linh and a lot of the commentators lament the domesticated nature of US males for reasons that, other than come a major war US males would be found wanting, are not very clear.
    I think, although unstated, the real reason, or at least a major one, is not that men are domesticated, or that women are increasingly in charge of more and more everyday life. It’s the rather feminine notion of justice. A lot of men, if not most, are perfectly content to be ruled by women as for the most part they can expect better, or at least nicer, treatment from women’s velvety hands than the comparably rougher male ones. What they object to is that women seem to have won this dominance (in their eyes) by unmanly means. Not unlike women they increasingly plead for a level playing field.
    Women not surprisingly meet these complaints with honest confusion, as a lot of them sensing something has been lost in their long march to domination, fo not consider themselves in charge of much of anything. While others sneer at the male whining in much of the same way some Mothers casually dismiss their babies crying.
    They’ve heard it all before and are not impressed.
    Women, to a lot of men, are in charge, and God dammit you still can’t punch them in the face.
    To these men they seem to have it all.
    As another out of fashion writer pointed out a century or more ago they are the deadliest sex.

  228. Trinity says:

    I remember reading a book a few years back titled, “The Dog Fighter” by Marc Bojanowski where the main character wanders into Mexico and begins to fight dogs in a ring for money.

    Hmm, that would certainly take more guts than shooting a lion with a rifle from a safe distance. Of course the book was FICTION. Might try and find the book and read it again, wasn’t half bad, gotta be here somewhere.

  229. @Commentator Mike

    Well, with your label “Nazi German scum” you disqualify yourself from consideration in any reasonable conversation or debate but I will answer you anyway.

    I watched an interview once, of former WW2 German soldiers who had served in the Wehrmacht. They were asked by the English-speaking interviewer what they thought about the atrocities committed at the front. Their response was that they, as soldiers in the actual German Army were not to be blamed for any misdeeds done by the SS because cleaning up and maintaining order behind the lines was not their job. They were too busy fighting the enemy in front of them. Further, if any soldier were guilty of rape then he would have been executed. Get it? They claimed to have been professional soldiers tasked with fighting other soldiers. They were not policemen, did not wear death’s heads on their uniforms etc.

    Now, you may not believe what they say. I do. As David Irving has pointed out, there were no or very few complaints lodged by any Allied General pertaining to misbehavior or abuses by the German Army. Is war Hell? Undoubtedly. Is there an honorable way to wage war? I say, “yes”. As horrible as it is, there is a “civilized” way to butcher the other guy. Not civilized compared to true civil life, but compared to the utter barbarity we are capable of.

    Any law which minimizes deaths of civilians I am in favor of. This is why I opposed the Iraq War before it even started. We deliberately targeted infrastructure with the full intention of starving and causing disease among the civilian population. And we used the same lame justification we employed when we bombed German cities. Our rain of destruction would both break the will of the people to fight and cause them to rise up against their government and overthrow it. This has never worked.

    America should have stayed out of both WW1 & 2. We should have let the Europeans sort out their own affairs; after all, they had been doing so for centuries and had worked out a formula which culled the worst excesses. Our presence tipped the scales and opened a Pandora’s box. We saw nothing wrong in destroying cultural treasures, monasteries, churches, historic district of Medieval towns etc. We were barbaric. How can that be excused by pointing to alleged or real German atrocities?

    Sorry, you’ve lost me, just as Hemingway did when he bragged about shooting a defenseless man. That’s really where this all began, you remember don’t you? With Hemingway going on about the joy of killing big game from a distance with a rifle that had the stopping power of a small cannon? Hemingway the drunken brawler? The guy who did perfectly ordinary outdoor activities such as offshore fishing and then making it sound so dangerous and dramatic to his reading room bound American citified audience? Buffalo, grizzly and couger hunters had been confronting big dangerous game in America for a couple of centuries–hell, the Indians did it with bow and arrow–but it’s only Earnest, hunting similar game in Africa who really lived a life of “adventure”.

    What a joke. What a poser.

  230. IronForge says:

    Guess the Killing by the Missus was the Ultimate Act in Cuckoldry for her…

    IIRC, Hemingway lived off of Well to do Women…
    …not my style…

    LD did briefly bring up a few things wrong with our Societal Members:

    The BodyPolitic are doing too much to accommodate the Sociopaths instead of screening them out for Counseling+Monitoring.

  231. Why did Margot Macomber journey to Africa? She went in order to ensure that Francis was dead.

    Margot’s provocations with comments on cowardice and flagrant acts of indiscretion are the means by which she ensures Francis has taken the bait in Africa.

    As Francis becomes more capable on the journey, as is his pragmatic custom, Margot realizes that Francis might just not be killed.

    A great mystery is generated in just how did Margot become a decisive and capable killer?

    The episodes are a great allegory for a bull in the ring or a sailfish on the line.

    A quick shag in Africa is not quite cuckoldry writ large. As Francis tasted the copper and iron of red blood, Wilson and Margot might have found themselves on the target list eventually.

    Hemingway’s body of work falls short in that it does not feature the day to day challenges of the Western man developing the world of trade.

  232. Iris says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Mr. Dinh’s stock fell to zero when he wrote that the Apollo expeditions to the Moon were faked.

    And your entire 7800 comments-long posting history on the UR fell to zero by this simple sentence.

    Humans don’t yet possess the technology to go to Moon and back, neither today, nor even less so 50 years ago.

    Technology only disappears if the civilisation that produced it dies out without transmitting it. NASA never ceased to exist; the reason they cannot go to the Moon today is because they never went there in the first place.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Troll: mike99588
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @plannumber9
  233. Dube says:

    Fitzgerald: “The rich are very different from you and me.”
    Hemingway: “Yeah, they’ve got more money.”

    There must be studies of that exchange, and I don’t know them, but I might wish that Hem had let Scott talk, on the hope that there was more to convey than who gets to condescend to whom.

    Hemingway: “My writing is nothing; my boxing is everything.”

    Morley Callaghan in his That Summer in Paris wrote of the 1929 boxing match between himself and Hemingway, with Fitzgerald as timekeeper. Callaghan was a good boxer, but Hemingway rather not so, and the latter was getting pounded while Fitzgerald watched wide-eyed, forgetting to check the clock. Hemingway threw an angry accusation at Fitzgerald and left.

    Fitzgerald was already famous when he recommended the up-and-coming Hemingway, eh. A lot of iceberg beneath the tip.

  234. @ThreeCranes

    I’m under no obligation to show respect to Nazis or SS. The only good German soldiers were the ones who refused orders to shoot civilians and took their place in the line to be shot; they were the real heroes of the Wehrmacht . Sure, all sides commit atrocities and crimes in war but in my opinion the defenders from aggression always hold the high moral ground no matter what. Keep on praising the Nazis for all I care, but I’m not going to accept your BS about the way they conducted their wars of aggression and conquest.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @ThreeCranes
    , @Biff
  235. @Iris

    Your comment is hilarious — and sad. It is an example of how much has already been forgotten in this collapsing civilization.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Iris
  236. Ron Unz says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Sure, all sides commit atrocities and crimes in war but in my opinion the defenders from aggression always hold the high moral ground no matter what. Keep on praising the Nazis for all I care, but I’m not going to accept your BS about the way they conducted their wars of aggression and conquest.

    Actually, if you haven’t already done so, you might want to read my long article from a year or two presenting a much more realistic history of World War II:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

    • Agree: stevennonemaker88
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  237. @Commentator Mike

    So the distinction I was making between the Wehrmacht and the SS is lost on you?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Alfred
  238. @ThreeCranes

    None of us are experts in every field, which is why it is fruitless to speak of “Alpha males” as though we humans were programmed wolves. In the real world, the civilized world, every man is alpha in that which he does best and the field is so wide and diverse that no one man can lay claim to universal expertise.

    This is a good point. Talk about alpha males is oversimplified to the point of being quite silly.

    Being very good at something can actually contribute to being less good at something else. Take strength training for example. While it is possible to get stronger and also better at running at the same time, getting strong beyond a certain point requires an increase in body mass which actually inhibits your running ability. So by becoming more “Alpha” in one area, you are becoming more “Beta” in another.

  239. Kerberos says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bullshit. Sesquipedalian bullshit, to be more specific. No “bullshit detector,” to borrow “Hem’s” term. Do better…

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  240. Thanks, Linh! Hey, have you read James Jones’ ‘The Thin Red Line,’ or seen the ’98 film by Terrence Malick of the same name?

    Fantastic reading. And an even better film. Hemingway despised the portrayal of the handling of war in the minds of Jones’ soldiers. He thought Jones was a pussy. I think that war twists every man into his own afterthought. I’m gonna side with Jones on this one.

    And blowing your brains out, although a powerful symbol of freedom according to Camus, is not at all that impressive. Wasting away and having your children change your diapers late in life seems infinitely more a trial of manhood.

  241. anon[906] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Nothing from the 60s, 70s technology has been forgotten
    but greatly improved, yet no one visiting moon nor is any
    one even close to going.

    But you are a sly joker.

  242. Jazman says:
    @Alfred

    Similar thing happened in Serbia city of Kragujevac when Nazis killed high school students
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kragujevac_massacre

    • Replies: @Biff
  243. CCG says:
    @ricpic

    No, there’s a good reason for the manufactured fame of the Communist artists. Note that Picasso’s patrons in Paris were (((Daniel-Henry Kahnweiler))), the (((Stein))) family, the (((Cone))) sisters, and the (((Rosenberg))) brothers. (((Gertrude Stein))) would also play a leading role in Ernest Hemingway’s entry into the literature circles of Paris.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  244. Iris says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Your comment is hilarious — and sad. It is an example of how much has already been forgotten in this collapsing civilization.

    The saddest things of all and the real marker of a fast-collapsing civilisation is self-inflicted political blindness and delusion.

    As a great American, Hemingway did not suffer from either.
    Being his own man with a clear mind, out of love for the Spanish people, admiration for their fierce national pride, and solidarity for their struggle against poverty and feudalism, he joined in their fight against an illegal coup d’état, supported by a violent foreign aggression and carried out with the conniving blessing of the Western oligarchy, too happy to sacrifice Spain to its then-silent ideological war against the USSR.

    Hemingway was a real a man, with the guts to risk his life for his beliefs. He went to Spain voluntarily as a partisan and a witness, siding with the poor, the underdogs and the vanquished, giving us in the process a lesson in courage and one of the most important novel ever written about war.
    If there were more Americans like Hemingway, America wouldn’t be the intellectual dump it has become.

    Wimpy reactions when the grotesque Moon landing hoax is evoked only show how deep the rabbit hole some Americans have sunk. The Moon landings at least was a benign, even funny con job. But if people can’t even take this harmless truth, then there is no hope that their minds will ever wake up to the other more dangerous institutional lies.
    9/11, the JFK assassination, the war on Drugs, the war on Poverty, the war on Terror, the war on Covid, the War on all of the Rest of the World, the domination by Israel, almost every characteristic of the US’ institutional discourse unfortunately is a lie. History plays out first as a tragedy, then as a farce, so don’t be surprised when people laugh at your delusions from 50 years back.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Alfred
    , @Alden
  245. Reading most of the comments, I wonder why Hem didn’t blow his brains out earlier.

    If he could travel in a time capsule, disembark, look a bit around- he would scream: Get me outta here!

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  246. HVM says:

    Speak for yourself.

  247. @anarchyst

    No, I am against gay adoption. I am also against their marriage, but for civil unions (health, social insurance etc.).

    Just, I am not automatically for a policy that would separate children from their fathers who turned out, later, to be gay. They are their biological sons & daughters, and it would be unfair to give them exclusively to mothers (regular females).

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Ed Case
  248. @Alfred

    The young John F. Kennedy found himself at a bullfight in southern France shortly after WWII. He was so disgusted by it — especially when the crowd laughed and howled at a horse disembowled by the bull — that he left and retained a certain revulsion for Latin culture after that. Not sure how that figured in his relations with Castro.
    However, Hemingway’s wife left Hemingway’s writings to the John F. Kennedy Library which always seemed strange to me until I learned of the even stranger connections that Hemingway had with what he thought were extraterrestrials visiting (JFK was privy to info about Roswell, and apparently did know Hemingway.) It’s a far stranger and more complex world than most people seem to think. Some of the commenters on Unz are really pessimistic and dreary as if this planet were the only place to exist. It’s a funeral pyre here. All dross gets burned away. That’s a metaphor. Like most holy writings and great literature. Metaphor. Linh seems to get that sometimes.

  249. @Iris

    We don’t know the whole story. There has been massive fakery in the last century and this one. We’ll know soon enough.

  250. @Anonymous

    ‘…Whitehead calls the resulting interview “a sad betrayal of his kindness and friendship to a young writer.”’

    And we should read it? I’m not really a Hemingway fan, but…

  251. @Iris

    ‘…As a great American, Hemingway did not suffer from either.
    Being his own man with a clear mind, out of love for the Spanish people, admiration for their fierce national pride, and solidarity for their struggle against poverty and feudalism, he joined in their fight against an illegal coup d’état, supported by a violent foreign aggression and carried out with the conniving blessing of the Western oligarchy, too happy to sacrifice Spain to its then-silent ideological war against the USSR.

    ‘Hemingway was a real a man, with the guts to risk his life for his beliefs. He went to Spain voluntarily as a partisan and a witness, siding with the poor, the underdogs and the vanquished…’

    That war was so simple, wasn’t it? So clear.

  252. @CCG

    ‘No, there’s a good reason for the manufactured fame of the Communist artists. Note that Picasso’s patrons in Paris were (((Daniel-Henry Kahnweiler))), the (((Stein))) family, the (((Cone))) sisters, and the (((Rosenberg))) brothers. (((Gertrude Stein))) would also play a leading role in Ernest Hemingway’s entry into the literature circles of Paris.’

    And Picasso managed to be tolerated by the Nazis.

    Social skills, he obviously had. Plus, he really could draw. I don’t like what he drew, but I have to concede the talent.

    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
    , @CCG
  253. Biff says:
    @Commentator Mike

    but in my opinion the defenders from aggression always hold the high moral ground no matter what.

    If your paying attention to today’s English speaking western media you would find a daily blitz of accounts of Russian Aggression. When in fact, even a cursory look at the situation it is the Western NATO allies(at America’s direction) making all the provocative moves up against Russia’s border(pumping in weapons and money), and all Russian activities seem to be reactionary – at the same time all media outlets have purged any and all moderate voices that might give the Russians an even handed review of all activities in central Eurasia.

    Now say for instance a war does break out and the western allies were victorious in that war how hard would it be to blame the entire episode on Russian Aggression?

  254. @ko

    That night at the hotel, in our room with the long empty hall outside and our shoes outside the door, a thick carpet on the floor of the room, outside the windows the rain falling and in the room light and pleasant and cheerful, then the light out and it exciting with smooth sheets and the bed comfortable, feeling that we had come home, feeling no longer alone, waking in the night to find the other one there, and not gone away; all other things were unreal. . . . If people bring so much courage to this world the world has to kill them to break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.
    -A Farewell To Arms

    • Replies: @Dube
  255. @WJ

    In 2008 both Barack Obama and John McCain said For Whom the Bell Tolls main character, Robert Jordan, was a favorite. McCain said it was his favorite novel.

    Neither understood the story IMO. McCain thought Jordan wanted war, war, war forever. Robert Jordan came to Spain thinking it was the noblest cause of all time. He discovered both sides were bad, but despite the ambiguity he was willing to die for the Loyalist side.

    Obama would have been one of the cynical Communists at the Gaylord hotel.

  256. Truth says:
    @obwandiyag

    White folks, Bro.

    Don’t try to understand them, just smile politely and be happy you are making it home.

  257. Truth says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I have always despised Hemingway’s habit of equalising masculinity with murdering animals. That’s why I no longer read him.

    – Sports gray ponytail with balding head.

  258. One has always thought of the United States as essentially a matriarchal society, for all the bluster of American men. English and continental European women are perhaps more subtle in the way they manage men, or are actually more feminine (it is difficult to decide which). For all that, there is no doubt that at one time, the American woman was softer and more compliant, and the American man truly masculine.

    Hemingway’s point is clearly that Macomber’s moment of glory was worth more than everything that had gone before, because in that fragment of time, he became a man (this is a priceless thing, although it would to-day be derided by the eunuchs now euphemistically referred to as men, and the brutes who call themselves women).

    There is a film version of this story, made in nineteen hundred-and-forty-seven, with Joan Bennett (who can do no wrong), Gregory Peck as Wilson, and Robert Preston as Macomber. Peck, whose performances are unvaryingly wooden, is unconvincing as an Englishman – as he is in: ‘The Paradine Case’ , made a year before this film, and Preston is reasonably competent. Joan Bennett though, is perfectly cast. The film is certainly worth seeing, although the censors ruined the ending. Stewart Granger would have been the ideal Wilson, and Ty Power a good Macomber.

  259. John Hagan says: • Website

    Here Boris Johnson is Macomber while Kamala is his wife. They are Nero and Agrippina.

    • Replies: @the grand wazoo
  260. Art says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    It specifically addresses your issues with “Nazi German scum” and “Partisans”, mainly composed of communists and Jews who committed “horrific acts” incl eye-gouging, disembowelling, castration etc against uniformed soldiers and other civilians alike.

    How did a very fine interesting intellectual book review of a story about two Americans and an Englishman in 1930’s Africa – produce that comment.

    Are the German and Jew’s WWII – going to dominate everything for the next 1,000 years?

    Just asking.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  261. @Colin Wright

    I don’t like what he drew, but I have to concede the talent.

    We are Guernica and we don’t like it

    Hemingway even more so, or as Hollywood screen writer Ben Hecht said of his power,
    The son of bitch writes on water. They could see it, but could not reproduce it on film.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Alden
  262. UR2 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Aw… Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Dickens, even Conrad: yes, yes, but no mention of that modern Shakespeare: George Meredith. And, of course, no mention of Sigrid Undset! It seems that its not a lack of, what? intellectualism, nor heaven forbid, psychology, but sensitivity? even logos. This post-modern, modern crassness: directly related to – you know what-

  263. Ed Case says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Did he blow his brains out, or did he have some help?
    Hemingway was ridiculed at the time for claiming FBI harassment, then years after his death, it turned out to be true.

    • Agree: Iris
  264. Ed Case says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Just, I am not automatically for a policy that would separate children from their fathers who turned out, later, to be gay.

    Has that ever happened?
    I’d be surprised if it had.

  265. @sarz

    Then you may like this probably, the Bull Fight of South India:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallikattu

    Men are unarmed and on foot; the aim is not to kill the bull but to hang on to the hump (that only Indian cattle have); bull should not be caught by its horns or tails, only by the hump. Bulls are triained only to shake off the pursuers, but sometimes they gore the men. Bulls do not die, but men sometimes do.
    In many places, there is no separate arena; bulls are simply let loose into the crowd. Now with the strident interference of the government, an arena is fenced off for the players, and they wear distinct t shirts. Here is a sample:

    The man who throws the lasso on the bull is its trainer; he does it to clear the arena for the next bull. That is why the bull is quiet. But even he is careful. If a bull runs through the fighters, without anyone catching it, then it has won.

    Prizes vary in value. In the past, sometimes the daughter of the bull’s owner was the prize! Now it starts from $ 10 to small gold coins (or cash and goods about $ 500).

    PETA tried very hard to suppress this game, and succeeded through courts; but the whole State protested so much that the ban was lifted.

  266. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “I have always despised Hemingway’s habit of equalising masculinity with murdering animals…”

    In the story, the Swahili gun-bearers are also kept busy carving up the meat of each hunted animal. Portions are served at mealtime in between each safari…Whatdya’ think the whole world shoots their meat at Walmart with their debit card, like you?!

    • Replies: @durd
  267. @ThreeCranes

    Learning Hemmingway boasted about murdering a defenseless man comes as no small disappointment. Now what is more disgusting, actually committing this murder, or making it up to impress his fans or pander to Jewish power? After all, who buttered his toast? (Personally, I bet the only person Hemmingway ever shot to death was himself.)

    So really, did Hemmingway ever say anything critical of Zionism? For example, when Dorothy Thompson spoke up on behalf of the dispossessed Palestinians in 1948 did Hemmingway take that on, or did he just tiptoe around it? And how did he get along with Ezra Pound?

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @utu
  268. A repressed man finds his backbone in spite of the vaginal Jew, and receives the coup de grâce for his effrontery.

  269. cranc says:

    Courage seems to manifest in inverse proportion to men’s replacement by The Machine.

  270. Jiminy says:

    Reading this article, and people’s response made me think that I must have been missing out on something all my life. I’ve never really yearned to read Hemingway’s collection or anyone else’s novel for that matter.
    I think the last novel that I had to read at school was “ Grapes of Wrath,” or maybe “Death of a Salesman.” I can’t recall and I don’t really want to either. Strangely, as I have shelf upon shelf of books, none are fictional tomes.
    Leaning more towards the visual arts side of creativity has obviously swayed my thinking. If I was attracted to a mental picture of some subject, then I would simply draw or paint what I could imagine. Perhaps by allocating so much time and effort to growing my art, other areas atrophied.
    I do believe though, that Hemingway and others like him would sadly have died a pauper had he relied on my patronage to survive.
    But on second thoughts, I wonder if reading the stories in Playboy count towards anything.

  271. Dumbo says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    as if none of us have ever been in a dive or traveled.

    Anyone can travel or go to a dive. Not everyone can WRITE eloquently about it. See the difference?

    Mr. Dinh’s stock fell to zero when he wrote that the Apollo expeditions to the Moon were faked.

    I’m agnostic on the issue, but to me, it seems that there are a lot of pretty odd things about the whole Apollo mission. It was, after all (even if you accept everything in it as true) just a piece of political propaganda, with no other practical use. So, if it was just propaganda, why not fake it? After all, they faked a lot of other stuff. Faking a moon landing wouldn’t be all that hard.

    If – like many commenters here believe – the Holocaust narrative was mostly fake, then the moon landing should be an easier one to fake.

    But, as I said, I cannot say much one way or another. It will be nice if in 10 years the Chinese go to the moon, and take pictures of Armstrong’s waving flag (replacing it later with a CCP flag) and prove it was all true.

  272. Dube says:
    @The Soft Parade

    That night at the hotel, in our room with the long empty hall outside and our shoes outside the door, a thick carpet on the floor of the room, outside the windows the rain falling and in the room light and pleasant and cheerful, then the light out and it exciting with smooth sheets and the bed comfortable, feeling that we had come home, feeling no longer alone, waking in the night to find the other one there, and not gone away; all other things were unreal. . . . If people bring so much courage to this world the world has to kill them to break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.

    -A Farewell To Arms

    It lies well on the page, thanks.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  273. @Art

    Are the German and Jew’s WWII – going to dominate everything for the next 1,000 years?

    Just asking.

    It’s probable that such debate will indeed continue b/c there is much about a conflict that caused ~ 60 million deaths and massive destruction in Europe (plus further millions, atomic bombing in Asia) that is unknown, concealed, or lied about.
    Doubtful that it will continue for 1 000 years, though, in my humble opinion.
    But you never know …

    That post was, as you observe, a reply which sought to give information to an earlier poster ref that WW2 debate. As this is a reply to you.

    Possibly you are an American who thinks that history is bunk ?

  274. @ThreeCranes

    If you were some villager, student or whoever in your own country going about your chores I don’t think you’d care much what uniform some villain from far away wore when he lined you up to shoot you because he could or was following some orders of other vile men.

  275. @thotmonger

    “or making it up to impress his fans or pander to Jewish power? ”

    He did write fiction for a living, after all.

  276. Kerberos says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Margaritas… (?)
    Nope. Death in the Afternoons more likely…

  277. Iris says:
    @The Soft Parade

    A little less known of Picasso’ s works in defence of Republican Spain is a 1937 series of aquatints entitled “Songes et Mensonges de Franco” (Dreams and lies of Franco).

    The title does not translate well to English; it refers to a famous work by Spanish master painter Goya called “The sleep of Reason produces monsters”.

    Picasso’s aquatints are here introduced by art historian JA Ramirez:

    As some scholars already said, the title alludes to Goya [“The Sleep of Reason Creates Monsters”] and the Spanish literature of the Siglo de Oro [the golden century: the 16th]. This gives us ground to decipher the scene as an horrendous buffoonery, a nightmare peopled by the ridiculous and pathetic monsters that the military sublevation unleashed. All the panels seem to describe the devastating effects of the Francoist “crusade” against the Spanish people

    Picasso’s consistently explained his commitment to the Spanish Republicans by his siding with the Spanish people. In his words:

    “The Spanish War is the battle of the reaction against the people, against freedom. My whole life as an artist has been a constant struggle against the reaction and death of art. In the painting to which I am working and will call Guernica, and in all of my recent works, I clearly express my horror at the military caste that brought Spain down into an ocean of pain and death. »

    The Spanish Civil War was one of the most significant events of the 20th century, and a rehearsal to WW2. Franco’s war on the Spanish people caused 600,000 of them being killed, and another 500,000 being exiled to never return. Thousands more were executed in revenge killings in the decades after Franco’s victory.

    The Civil War resulted in incurable wounds, with Spain remaining a deeply politically-fractured country to the day. The Catalonia region’s adamant quest to independence from the rest of Spain is essentially due to its historic trauma from that era. The Catholic Church being weaponised by the Francoist regime has been permanently sullied, and has provoked a profound rejection of conservative social values by a large fraction of Spaniards.

    By siding with the Spanish people, Hemingway demonstrated how true artists often are similar to prophets: they are who can see and tell the truth when nobody else does.

  278. Dumbo says:
    @Leander Starr

    Some mentioned the supposed African sound of the name. Curiously no one mentioned “macumba” which is an afro-brazilian religion/ritual and sounds a bit like “Macomber”.

    I don’t think the Africaness or at least unusualness of the sound is coincidental.

  279. Alfred says:
    @ThreeCranes

    So the distinction I was making between the Wehrmacht and the SS is lost on you?

    Actually, the distinction should also be made between the SS Panzer Regiments, for example, and those who carried out the ethnic-cleansing.

    Panther Crewmen of SS Panzer Regiment “Hitlerjugend”

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  280. Alfred says:
    @Iris

    Hemingway was a real a man, with the guts to risk his life for his beliefs. He went to Spain voluntarily as a partisan and a witness, siding with the poor, the underdogs and the vanquished.

    Hemingway, like so many other “intellectuals” from the UK and elsewhere, took the side of those who massacred and killed thousands of helpless nuns and priests. The side that was supported by the Bolshevik Jews who carried out similar massacres but on a much larger scale in the USSR.

    The Fascist dictator, Franco, who took over the country brought in an era of peace – after killing off the Communists who did not escape from Spain. He kept Spain out of WW2 despite the pleas of Hitler and Mussolini. A great achievement.

    Since the death of Franco in 1975, Spain has rejected all its traditions. Spain has adopted the “liberal” ideology. Imported vast numbers of North Africans and South Americans. It has become a cesspit of vice. The biggest brothel in the world is on the border with France.

    Now, it is dangerous to walk the streets of the wonderful city of Barcelona. Thieves can grab your rucksack or handbag by daytime with impunity. Not at all the same Spain that I knew in the 60’s.

    I guess the “Republicans” won the civil war after all. 🙁

    To say that prostitution is big business in Spain would be a gross understatement. The country has become known as the brothel of Europe, after a 2011 United Nations report cited Spain as the third biggest capital of prostitution in the world, behind Thailand and Puerto Rico. Although the Spanish Socialist party, which two weeks ago won another term in government, has promised to make it illegal to pay for sex, prostitution has boomed since it was decriminalised here in 1995. Recent estimates put revenue from Spain’s domestic sex trade at $26.5bn a year, with hundreds of licensed brothels and an estimated workforce of 300,000.

    ‘Prostitution is seen as a leisure activity here’: tackling Spain’s sex traffickers

    • Agree: E_Perez
    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
    , @Biff
  281. ricpic says:
    @Iris

    The Republican side wasn’t all sweetness and light, communist propoganda not withstanding. Picasso was a great artist but quite childlike when it came to the political sphere.

    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
  282. Sparkon says:
    @Dube

    It would have lain even better out in the hallway under the wet shoes and far from the ellipsis segue from unreality to courage, leaving out all the pleasurable parts, if any, that Ernest seems to have slept through, but at least she didn’t ditch him, perhaps because it’s not only the Sun that also rises.

    Sleep drunk. Wake sober. Swyve early.

    • Replies: @Dube
  283. 4justice says:

    Dear Linh Dinh,
    Wishing you continued improving health.

    Is our mutual friend who is no longer with us a man who was tricked into abandoning his role as a protector for his precious daughter by those who seek to degrade our culture or a man who struggled to be as good as God in a very broken and flawed world? Or perhaps both?

    The answer might depend on whether the observer is enmeshed in a world view that is based on materialism and is post God or who sees the sacred creation of God in all of creation, living and non-living.

    If you are the former, you do a damn good job of seeing sacred in each of us. Nonetheless, I still would encourage you to consider the likelihood of the latter. The chance that we are here by chance is approximately nil.

    In hindsight, I am sure our friend saw many many ways he might have better protected his beloved child. Jordan Peterson talks about the danger of not being aware of evil in the world. Raising children who are naive to real dangers from others. I try to use the lessons of such a tragic experience to raise my own children. But after the fact, what is to be done then? Might it not be wise to leave vengeance to the Lord, and seek the best in what remains?

    The Christian moral framework does have the possibility of rendering people defenseless if done wrong. But it is also a source of great strength that cannot be coopted by those oligarch sociopaths who would enslave us if done right. They are not targeting and weakening Churches by accident.

    I may be wrong, I still have a lot to learn, but this is how it looks to me. Thanks for remembering our friend, in any case, even if it had the subtly of a hammer and nearly as wounding. But I expect nothing less than the painful truth from you. And I think brutal honesty is the only way we can face what we must face. When the social engineers of our society pushed that idea that we don’t need fathers to be good protectors, to be courageous men who could conquer their fears, and who could not be tricked into trusting those who did not earn trust, they left children vulnerable. They knew what they were doing. Drag Queen Story Hour at a tax payer funded library pretty much captures it.

    God Bless and protect you, Linh Dinh. May our friend with a pure (if unprotected) heart who is no longer with us rest in peace.

  284. Antiwar7 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Or better yet, divorce her, and make time with someone nicer.

    And leave her to Wilson, who probably doesn’t want her long-term. A fitting outcome.

    But don’t let her have any guns, either. And cut short the escapade.

    • Replies: @CCG
    , @Commentator Mike
  285. CCG says:
    @Colin Wright

    Spain was neutral during World War II (Picasso had applied for French citizenship before the Germans took Paris, but was denied

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  286. @Dumbo

    If the surname of Francis is not coincidental (which could be, especially as his juxtaposition has a perfectly English surname, Wilson), that would make Mr Macomber a part of Africa, a part of those who are to be slaughtered. He would be standing together with a lion, and with a buffalo, not with his wife (which, if I remember is never addressed as Mrs Macomber), and certainly not with Mr Wilson.

    Why do you go to Africa?
    To slaughter, and to be slaughtered.
    Out of Africa means into Africa.
    Etc.

    A rather dark message but that’s it. Would make a human Darwinist out of Ernest.

  287. durd says:
    @Stonehands

    Guided hunts aren’t very masculine, as all that is required is following your guide around till you find the animal you’re looking for and you as the client pull the trigger. That’s it. No other effort is needed. What I hear from a few guides I have come across is that these ‘hunters’ complain about the weather, walking up hills or that it is taking too long and we should go back to camp where the liquor is.

    This hunting method even gets rid of the fear element as you have experienced men with rifles to back you up if you fail to make a kill shot. Almost anyone of any gender or age can do this. Heck now days if you shoot a lion in Africa it was most likely raised in a pen for clients to shoot. What kind of brain would consider this endeavor as something to brag about?

    In the small town where I live, women, kids and whole families hunt to get their winters meat and they do it all. There is no fanfare other than who got a moose and where.

    They have to compete with outsiders which some call ‘head hunters’ as they seem more concerned with the size of the antlers than anything else besides their clothing and new 4-wheeler.

    I have only shot a few caribou and one moose plus some pain in the ass bears. It’s all a chore- packing, cutting up the meat etc. And unless you are an opportunistic hunter (poacher) it costs more in terms of putting meat on the table than with a credit card.

    So neither guided or traditional hunting are particularly a manly activity other than it was mostly done by men in the past. It’s just what some guys think will make them appear more masculine than their everyday living in a city or suburb permits. They have earned their Carhartts and Cabelas clothing cause they got the story to back up the appearance. If really needed they even have the evidence staring vacantly on their living room wall just to get their manliness conversation going…

    It’s not that peculiar for a wealthy guy raised in the city think this way. Some dudes in Sun Valley or Hollywood might be impressed but get a bit more remote and you’re just a ‘head hunter’ to locals.

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ThreeCranes
  288. CCG says:
    @Antiwar7

    Divorce would mean alimony payments, maybe even property division. Also, reading this story gave me the impression that this was not the first time she had cheated on her husband.

  289. @Antiwar7

    Yes, that is the modern western way. Still, some westerners would resolve it the way I mentioned even nowadays – crimes of passion have not disappeared. Of course I don’t advocate it; just thought of it as an alternative old fashioned plot resolution.

  290. @Alfred

    “The Brothel Of Europe” … how awful to see this …

    I also spent time in España (Una.Grande.Libre) late 60s to mid 70s
    A beautiful country … wonderful people … and now this … que vergüenza …

    As you say Franco kept Spain out of WW2.
    Mussolini wanted Spain in to close out Gibraltar and thus make the Med an Italian-Spanish lake … interesting speculations if that happened …

    After Franco had seen off the commies and although neutral, Spain did send Division Azul (named for the blue shirt Falange) to fight on the Eastern Front.
    (link is in Spanish)

    https://ww2diario.blogspot.com/2011/07/parten-para-rusia-los-primeros.html

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Alden
  291. @CCG

    ‘Spain was neutral during World War II (Picasso had applied for French citizenship before the Germans took Paris, but was denied’

    My impression is that Picasso spent the war in Paris, enjoying the benevolent toleration of the German occupiers.

    I don’t actually have much against Picasso himself. A lot of his remarks are singularly commonsensical, and of course a man should feel free to paint whatever he wants to paint.

    His admiring fans, they I have different feelings about.

    • Replies: @Iris
  292. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @durd

    In the small town where I live, women, kids and whole families hunt to get their winters meat and they do it all. There is no fanfare other than who got a moose and where.

    I may very well live in your state.

    The only joke bigger than the guides that come up here from out of state (and run back home when winter approaches), are their clients (adorned in their new Cabela’s ensembles).

    Subsistence hunting, however, is a family/community affair, ancient in its origins, and very very necessary when living rural and/or remote on a fixed/limited budget.

  293. Alden says:
    @Ben Gunn

    If all the conservative or any websites on the net, UNZ attracts the most whining complaining women hating men. It’s like a bitter divorcée support group. Except most of the MEN OF UNZ never married.

    Read Hemingway a little deeper. There are a lot of his macho men putting their girl friends on a train to get an abortion.

  294. Alden says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Franco is the greatest hero of the 20th century. Best thing he did was wipe out many of the American Jewish communist Abraham Lincoln Brigade. The Russian communists put the sissy city boys of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade in the front lines against Franco’s Army.

    Unfortunately the Jewish communists won the war against America.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  295. Alden says:
    @Iris

    Hemingway was a dam fool idiot liberal who pretended to fight with the soviet communists in the Spanish civil war. At least he was smart enough to not actually fight. The Russian and Spanish communists sent all the sissy liberal volunteers like Hemingway to the front lines to be killed first.

    When it became clear they were losing . The Russians looted the country. Their biggest haul was the mint, the national treasury all the gold the Spanish government had. Telephone exchanges and all the equipment. Medical equipment, machinery if all kinds, including household tools sewing machines washing machines etc.

    Barcelona was a communist stronghold because it’s a sea port. The Russians held on long enough to load their loot on ships that carried the loot to Russian Black Sea ports.

    It’s a good thing they don’t teach history any more. Because every word of history taught during most of the previous century is just communist propaganda.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  296. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “Maybe you need a pair of teats, or more testosterone, your choice. It’s all the rave now”. Said Wilson.

  297. @Iris

    These same critics mostly failed to understand the outstanding genius of Louis Ferdinand Celine

    Ah … Celine. Familiar with both Balzac and Celine, I rate them both very highly. Celine’s epic trilogy is for me an astounding voyage. Full of color and fantastic humor … am I less an admirer for laughing my way through the volumes?

  298. @ricpic

    You may be confusing the body politic, with a body of real men.
    The former find it childlike that the latter might lead the same lives were all laws abolished.

    “But if he could describe it all he would be an artist. But if he were an artist, there would be deeper wounds which he could not describe.”
    Silence
    Edgar Lee Masters (1869 – 1950)

  299. @John Hagan

    good analogy. makes me wonder what she had to do to be selected for her role? Whose knob is she polishing tonight?

    • Replies: @John Hagan
  300. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    It was the style at the time. All little boys wore dresses. A dress is basically a king shirt. Factory made cheap baby and toddler clothes did not exist until around 1920.

    Until then, baby and toddler clothes were handmade by mommy grandma’s aunts and friends. Long shirts, or dresses are much much much easier to make than short shirts and pants.

    A dress is just a long shirt. So instead of making a boys shirt that stops at the waist and a pair of pants, just make the shirt 12 inches longer. Then it’s just 24 inches of stitching less than half an hour for a skilled home sewer which all women were in those days.

    All toddler boys wore dresses through human history until factory made cheap toddler clothes became available. Cut down in laundry too.

    Little toddler boys on the frontier who grew up to be mountain men wore long shirts or dresses. Men like Daniel Boone Kit Carson Andrew Jackson, all toddler boys. The most macho conquistador kings wore them as toddlers. So did your ancestors. all of them.

    For about the last 55 years baby and toddler girls have been dressed as boys.

    Why did toddler boys wear long shirts or dresses instead of pants and shirts, finances, practicality and laundry.

    Not every mother could afford to hire a full time dressmaker to make pants and shirts for toddler boys. In fact, most of them had to hand sew their baby toddler and all their. children’s clothes , plus their own clothes and husbands shirts. As well as housework cooking laundry etc.

    It’s very easy to figure out most of the MEN OF UNZ have never been married, never lived with a woman don’t have kids or a house.

    • Agree: Alfred, utu
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  301. Alden says:
    @The Soft Parade

    Ah yes, Guernica, the best piece of communist propaganda ever. The evil Germans didn’t bomb the peaceful village of Guernica. It was the Soviet communists in the village, on the ground who blew up the town. The whole thing was preplanned with all the communist and dam fool liberal useful idiot newspapers all ready to report the atrocity blamed on the Facists.

  302. Alden says:
    @TKK

    You sound like every lonely spinster in love with a married man who won’t leave his wife.

    • Replies: @Truth
  303. @Alden

    Wow. Such rejoinders bowl me over. I still recommend Pan’s Labyrinth. It’s an eye opener.

  304. Iris says:
    @Colin Wright

    My impression is that Picasso spent the war in Paris,

    It is just “an impression“.

    Picasso had no “spent the war in Paris“, but had been living in Paris since 1901, when he took over the workshop of his painter friend Casagemas after the latter committed suicide. This suicide had a profound effect on Picasso, who started painting portraits of Casagemas and inaugurated his “Blue Period”.

    Picasso- The death of Casagemas

    Apart from a short return to Barcelona in 1902, Picasso then lived without interruption in France since 1904, which is arguably the cradle of end 19th-20th Century modern painting and it attracted artists from different nationalities.

    Picasso wasn’t in Paris as some sort of protection from the upheaval caused by the Spanish War or WW2; he had been living there for four decades.

  305. I remember reading somewhere that after Hemingway death, anal beads (and few sets of them) were found in his personal things.

    We sense that there is something something wrong here, even if the thing is hard to name.

    So an interpretation just for fun: it is a story of the Great Mother figure getting rid of her unworthy male follower. Note that Margot is the only figure in the story acting like a god: with no doubts, and transcending morality (fornicating, killing etc): she is the law. From the perspective of a devotee of Great Mother, Macomber life was both happy and short because he lived with a goddess, which is always dangerous even if rewarding. And Africa is an altar of Old Times.

    I got this idea watching the documentary below. Go to the end (40:00+) where the story of cleansing the followers of the male god by the Great Mother devotees is suggested:

  306. @Alden

    Guernica is a still-believed-today example of as you earlier remarked, popular “history” being just rehashed commie propaganda.

    from Carolyn Yeager

    When we look more closely at the record of the events, we find that manipulation is indeed what happened—the story of Guernica became a propaganda tool of the Communists with the aid of a world-class artist like Picasso. If it were truly about terrorizing a population, Picasso should have created a Dresden, Hamburg, or Hiroshima masterpiece instead.

    https://carolynyeager.net/guernica-politics-propaganda

    • Thanks: E_Perez
  307. @Another Polish Perspective

    Macomber was cleansed because he was about to start to follow a male god. But modern Western marriage is a structure of worship, devoted to the Great Goddess. If alliens are watching us, they surely realize this, as well as certain continuity with Minoans.

    The title gives away as to which side Hemingway was on (“short, happy life” could not be just a few days of good shooting). On the side of goddess, ready to worship her with his anal beads and his pen. But he dreamed of male gods (matador was NOT one of them, as tauromachia, namely opposing/killing a powerful male animal, is clearly a part of cultures of the Great Mother), so he cleansed himself too.

    In the end, male gods are more merciful: they do not appear to make females to want to cleanse themselves.

  308. @Another Polish Perspective

    Iberia, the only remaining place of tauromachia cult in Europe (plus South France) is the least Indo-European part of Europe. Iberia used to be also a place of a congregation of “Jews” known as Sephardim, who simply once upon a time appeared there in a great number.

    https://phys.org/news/2017-07-bronze-age-iberia-steppe-invaders.html

    “It was surprising to observe such a striking Y chromosome discontinuity between the Neolithic and the Bronze Age, such as would be consistent with a predominantly male-mediated genetic influx”

    Cutting down males and raping women would mean that male DNA of original cultures was cut down, so mainly maternal DNA would be left. That could lead to the elevation of female gods over male gods, as a form of autochtonic resistance against the invaders.

    Palestinian Jews were taken over by autochtonic Canaanites when they willfuly changed Biblical patrilineal lineage to the matrilineal one, refused to pronounce the name of their famous male god (but not his opponents like Baal), and built up the female Shekinah mythology.

    The Great Mother won but hardly anyone noticed.

  309. @Bert

    That’s an interesting vignette, but I don’t see how it relates to the USA blundering into WW1 & 2 or what it has to do with a supposedly non-combatant war correspondent carrying a pistol and murdering an enemy soldier who has surrendered.

  310. @durd

    Hemingway’s “adventures” were only adventurous to urban people whose nearest brush with death was being run over by a taxi while crossing the street. Officebound, they daydream about traveling to far-away exotic places and living the life of a swashbuckling outdoorsman such as was depicted by Hemingway and was the face which he presented to the world. In reality, as you say, everything is local. What is mystical and mysterious to an outsider is prosaic and mundane to the person living there. On the opposite side of the coin, tales of life in Hollywood would be as alluring and enchanting to someone who grew up in a town of 250 people in Alaska or Northern Idaho.

  311. Biff says:
    @Alfred

    It has become a cesspit of vice. The biggest brothel in the world is on the border with France.

    Now, it is dangerous to walk the streets of the wonderful city of Barcelona.

    Why is it that people constantly conflate prostitution with crime?

    United Nations report cited Spain as the third biggest capital of prostitution in the world, behind Thailand

    I live in the Thailand and there is very little violent crime compared to Spain, and almost none in areas of prostitution(the cops are already there[as investors]). ;^) Maybe Spain’s crime problem is like you said: from adopting a liberal ideology? Not happy endings(pay before you play).

    I guess the “Republicans” won the civil war after all.

    ?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  312. utu says:
    @thotmonger

    And how did he get along with Ezra Pound?

    Hemingway and Pound: A Most Unlikely Friendship
    https://www.simplycharly.com/read/reviews/hemingway-and-pound-a-most-unlikely-friendship/
    Although Hemingway never visited Pound at St. Elizabeths, fearing he would be placed back on the FBI watch list, he signed a letter along with Robert Frost and T. S. Eliot to help free the aging poet. Hemingway believed Pound was insane, “not the same man he had known back in early Paris days,” but he believed he belonged in Italy “where he is loved and understood”; in April 1958, when Pound was 72, his indictment was dismissed. He returned to Italy that July, living quietly in Venice until his death on November 1, 1972, outlasting Hemingway by 11 years.

    Although the Pound-Hemingway friendship was contentious at times, Hemingway did not have many relationships that lasted 40 years because he simply did not nurture his associations. He and F. Scott Fitzgerald fell out of favor quickly and he lampooned Sherwood Anderson with The Torrents of Spring. So the fact that he kept in contact with Pound and was instrumental in his release from St. Elizabeths proves that he cared about and respected the poet. And John Cohassey meticulously writes about their unique bond in Hemingway and Pound: A Most Unlikely Friendship.

    “Pound’s crazy. All poets are. They have to be. You don’t put a poet like Pound in the loony bin.”

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @thotmonger
  313. Alfred says:
    @Biff

    Why is it that people constantly conflate prostitution with crime?

    In the case of Barcelona, most of the women are imported from Eastern Europe and Africa. Many are essentially slaves and trafficked … by the usual suspects.

    I don’t think it is the same in Thailand. I have heard of Australians having a mistress in Thailand. The mistress is married to some Thai guy who is happy with the arrangement. It is a very different culture.

    Here is what goes on in Barcelona:

    “Now that I’m back from Europe I feel compelled to share a story about something very scary that could have happened to me, in hopes that my fellow ladies who like to travel can keep some of these things in mind while travelling abroad,” wrote Heather.

    SHOCK WARNING Woman’s post about human trafficking goes viral…after she narrowly escapes being taken by a ‘TAXI DRIVER’

  314. The British writer, Paul Johnson’s, 1988 book Intellectuals, exposed many Leftist “intellectual” icons, such as Rousseau, Marx, Brecht, Bertrand Russell, as well as Hemmingway. Very good, in my opinion.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  315. anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    “…and stopped reading his WWII novel, “The Naked and the Dead,” after the first few pages.”

    Same. Second-rate drivel.

  316. @David Rodriguez

    I agree.
    Add Scottish (also tend to be ugly), Irish, Oz,NZ, and Canadian.
    Decent white women: Slavic, Hungarian, Argentinian and Boer.
    English has been the language of feminism to a large extent.
    French and Germa women are beautiful but I’m not sure how far the mind virus has advanced.
    Sad.

    • Replies: @Truth
  317. Truth says:
    @Alden

    Damn Aldey, you’ve been on a roll all week.

    I mean, a lot of your posts are nutty, like thinking white women should be encouraged to kill their babies and wanting the Chinese army to take over America, but a couple you hit dead center.

  318. @Iris

    The Communist’s run off lists. Supreme court stack: check. Murder Loyalists: check.

    Franco didn’t initiate he did respond; they had no choice.
    It began when they recaptured areas and found consistent patterns: priests, govt officials, police and business people murdered. Communism never varies; it is always the same.

    Franco saved his country from decades of suffering and prepared the Spanish economy for the future. Compare Spain to Poland with respect to GDP and living standard.
    Most people would have preferred 1950’s Spain to Russia or the Eastern bloc.
    Same with Portugal.
    Fascism worked and it still works. When the society is ready it moves on.
    Communism destroys, eliminates a people’s sense of culture and leaves a wreckage when it fails from financial idiocy.
    How is this not obvious?

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Iris
  319. @Montefrío

    A very nice sentiment, but the concept of romantic marriage is an historical blip.

    Marriage is to secure private property rights for offspring, maintain order and in many cases, unite two tribes, states or kingdoms.

    Personally I’d keep the harem and hire women professors for learning and discussion.

  320. @WhiteWinger

    Absolutely agreed. Most people denounce the book as worthless gossip, but not me.

    And it is way more than gossip- Johnson’s exposition of Marx’s Capital is brilliant, in my opinion better than Hilferding’s, Schumpeter’s, Kolakowski’s …

    Hem is, somehow, sketched in the book. The most disagreeable person is BertolT Brecht, and I agree. No redeeming qualities at all.

    For those of you who still read, you can download the book for free from the Russians (click on the image, then get): http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=4AE5E9B2599AFE51303ACA004BA01C06

  321. Truth says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Dayummm, you guys just eliminated 80% of the women in the white world, No wonder Aldey can’t stand you.

    I happen to meet and see beautiful, intelligent lovely women from Norway to Nigeria, but maybe I’m weird.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Alfred
  322. Iris says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Compare Spain to Poland with respect to GDP and living standard.

    Franco was a despicable tyrant.

    He brought down the legally elected Spanish government in a way so bloody and violent that it broke the fabric of the Spanish society and polarised it for decades; the country hasn’t recovered from it to the day.

    Franco was the political whore of the global financial oligarchy.
    Following the crisis of 1929 and its repercussions throughout the 1930’s, with no solution in sight, this oligarchy reached a power stalemate with the national Labour classes. It was vital to crush them, and to give a warning and teach a lesson to workers worldwide about what would happen to a people who would dare aspiring to more economic equality; this lesson was to crush the Spanish people.

    Just like in our time they crushed Yugoslavia for being multi-ethnical, or crushed Greece for rebelling against debt slavery, all things that the oligarchy cannot tolerate.

    Hitler was happy to go along with Franco, because Hitler was a dupe.
    He was cunningly made to believe that he was Western civilisation’s White Knight in shining armour, whose role was to protect the West from the USSR’s Socialist peril. He sided with Franco and helped him by bombing Guernica in particular, which civilian death toll, disputed as it may, still makes it a crime against humanity committed by a foreign army.

    When WW2 broke up, Franco took great care not to side with his “friend” Hitler. Spain was too much to the West of Europe and already under Atlantic control anyway, so nothing was at stake for the US/UK/Zionist oligarchy. Franco obeyed his pimps and kept “neutral” while Germany was first made to destroy the USSR, for then to be destroyed herself, assuring that the “Western” alliance made its two main geopolitical foes destroy each other before intervening.

    Once WW2 ended, Franco happily became the whore of NATO, which wasn’t a big change anyway since those in control of NATO were the same warmongers who planned and provoked WW2 in the first place.
    He deprived the Spanish society from liberty and justice, with the blessing of his Atlantist controllers, and actively participating in their terrorist actions. He helped Mossad by letting them freely use Ceuta and Melilla as basis for their covert operations, rented his intelligences services for the terror destabilisation of 60-70’s Italy, and for the coloured “revolution” that brought down the great French nationalist General de Gaulle in 1968.

    Franco did NOTHING for Spain; Spain has had one of the greatest, most brilliant civilisation of modern times for many centuries and owes nothing to this runt. His legacy is nothing; he is inexistent in Modern Spain, except for the long-lasting harm he caused.

    Franco was a despicable brute and political whore who belongs to the gutter of history. Sadly, a lot of people do like brutes and whores, otherwise, the US wouldn’t be in the situation it is today.

    • Disagree: Arthur MacBride, Alfred
    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  323. Anne Lid says:
    @Iris

    You and Commentator Mike seem to agree that Guernica was a deliberate massacre. Reading this site convinced me that this is another story turned into a soul rotting myth.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-people-who-were-burned-to-ashes-on-ash-wednesday/
    Read the first few comments, please.
    By the way, Picasso started out his famous painting on a bull fighting theme (that’s why there is a prominent bull head in it), just repurposed it for propaganda. He was a very talented painter, just as Hemingway was a very talented writer, but both loved the world too much.
    I don’t know enough about history, perhaps Franco was really evil. Still better than the communists with their lofty ideals and murders and misery.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Iris
  324. @Anne Lid

    There were those who saw the German planes bombing. Here is one report:

    http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/guernica.htm

    Why would all these people be making up lies to cover up for a Soviet directed false flag on the ground? They wouldn’t have favoured the Soviets any more than the fascists; at least not to the extent to make up lies to support such a hoax. Some people just can’t accept that the Nazis ever did anything wrong.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  325. Iris says:
    @Anne Lid

    Still better than the communists with their lofty ideals and murders and misery.

    I am sorry, but this is the simplistic worldview promoted by the imperialists, the warmongers and the banking oligarchy who, by no random chance, happen to have consistently constituted a tightly-knit group throughout the 19th and 20th Century.

    The truth is that the existence of Labour movements and pacifist movements predates the birth of the USSR by several decades. Even Socialism as an ideology seeking socio-economic justice for Labour classes preceded Marxism by several decades too.

    By no random chance, International Workers leader Jean Jaurès, who rejected Marxism as an ideology, but was a fiercely committed pacifist who mobilised global Labour against war, was assassinated by the PTB’s on 31 July 1914 at the outbreak of WW1, so the massacre of working class cannon fodder could not be prevented.

    Similarly, Labour movements and other organisations striving for socio-economic fairness have continued existing and affirming themselves long after the USSR disappeared.

    Analysing the alleged historic “justifications” presented to us on the basis of the obsolete Cold War criteria is both intellectually deficient and morally bankrupt. You should ask yourself why working people who simply demanded peace and social justice are still demonized as “dangerous communists”. This tells more about the plutocracy who still stigmatise them to the day, and about the plutocracy’s real objectives.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  326. @Truth

    ‘I happen to meet and see beautiful, intelligent lovely women from Norway to Nigeria, but maybe I’m weird.’

    ? There is some sort of Lebanese community in Nigeria, but…

  327. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    The comment you are replying to contains only one line by the poster: “Ernest on the left,” explaining a photograph.
    The rest is quotations from the link to a book review of Mary Dearborne’s Ernest Hemingway: A Biography , provided as a courtesy so that the reader may determine whether he wishes to click on the link.

    It’s very easy to figure out most of the MEN OF UNZ have never been married, never lived with a woman don’t have kids or a house.

    What does this have to do with a link to a Hemingway biography, or indeed what does anything else you wrote? You seem to be trying awfully hard to find reasons to attack other posters, whom you assume are all men when you can’t know that.
    You seem to be a very troubled person with a lot of anger issues. Attacking strangers on the internet will not resolve them.

  328. @utu

    Yes, thank you very much. That is helpful.

  329. Anne Lid says:
    @Commentator Mike

    A British wartime journalist would never write propaganda, would he? Never would make up or omit pertinent details.
    “Nine aircraft dropped a total of 7950 kg of bombs, but no hits at the bridge were observed because visibility was very poor. The reason for the poor visibility was fire and smoke from the blasting and setting on fire by the Reds, and possibly the international brigades, ahead of the air attack. The relatively primitive targeting devices used at that time were also responsible for non-military objects being hit.”
    https://carolynyeager.net/guernica-politics-propaganda

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  330. Anne Lid says:
    @Iris

    Speaking of Jaurès, the murder of intelligent people who have the knack for uniting people is the MO of satanic groups. In the Spanish civil war the communists were of the same cloth as Bela Kun a few years before in Hungary. When I grew up I was taught that they were almost saintly in their endeavours for justice and equality, not much mention of the murders they committed, very similar to the murders in Spain: kill the local prominent people able to lead, subjugate the traumatised rest. Give some trinkets to selected groups and call it justice. After the second world war they repeated the act. After ’56 we had the pleasure of a softer leadership, to make us more manageable.
    John Dos Passos was there with Hemingway and saw the same things, had some questions and left.

    His friend Ernest Hemingway shot back: “Civil liberties, shit. Are you with us or against us?”

    Then, getting no reply, Hemingway lifted a clenched fist to Dos Passos’ face:

    “You [quit] and you will be finished, destroyed. The reviewers in New York will absolutely crucify you. These people know how to turn you into a back number. I’ve seen them do it. What they did once they can do again.”

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/08/communists-have-controlled-american.html
    When I was young, I did not understand what Jesus meant by “He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.” I understand it a bit better now.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  331. Alfred says:
    @Truth

    I happen to meet and see beautiful, intelligent lovely women from Norway to Nigeria, but maybe I’m weird.

    I had a son with a Norwegian woman. I supported her and the child financially for many years. We lived together in Paris and Oslo. She turned against me and stopped me seeing my son. She accused me of kidnapping him when I took him home from his Kindergarten as it was my weekend. I was following the instructions of one of the top family lawyers in Norway. I was arrested by their anti-terrorist police.

    The make magistrate released me the next day.

    The case came to court. The judge was a vicious young woman. The “jury” was two elderly Norwegians. The judge kept on shaking her head at my “wickedness”. The fact that I had a red Porsche proved that I was a dangerous person. The fact that I was living in a city with a ferry service to England was further confirmation that I planned to abduct my son. The fact that I had obtained an Irish passport for my son was further proof of my perfidy.

    On a Saturday, I took my son for a haircut – further proof that I wanted to make him unrecognisable. Numerous other silly accusations – that I spoke several languages, that I wanted my son to have a good education, that I had lived in numerous countries, that I earned a lot of money etc.

    BTW, everyone involved knew my address and phone number (landline). My distinctive red Porsche with foreign number plates was parked in front of the house. There were almost no such cars in Norway at the time.

    I was sentenced to 3 years in prison. I appealed. The case went to their high court. They refused to look at it as it was an “open and shut” case.

    I appealed to the Norwegian Supreme Court. Most unusually, they decided that what I did was lawful. However, “because he was a foreigner, he was in a position to commit this crime”. They gave me a 6 month suspended sentence for having been in a position to break the law!

    If you like Norwegian girls, by all means fuck them. Impregnate them if you wish. But don’t ever think that you will be allowed to see your child.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
    , @Truth
  332. @Alfred

    Wishing your son all the very best, Alfred.

    He’s a brave-looking boy and if he gets the chance to listen to his Daddy he will not go far wrong. Pity about his mother, boys need mothers as well as fathers.
    I hope this does not affect his future relations with women.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Alfred
  333. @Anne Lid

    Speaking of Jaurès, the murder of intelligent people who have the knack for uniting people is the MO of satanic groups.

    Satanic, as you say.
    For example —
    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15) — apparently this translation is not 100% and better read … “Especially the best … ”

    These and other quotes from the Jewish “holy book” the Talmud (means Instruction) are by Nathanael Kapner who is Jewish.

    https://www.realjewnews.com/?p=156

    In Christian eschatalogical (“end of age”) terms there can be no doubt ref identity of the “Beast” in today’s world, identified by Christ as a liar and a murderer … incl such who deliberately or otherwise go along with policies of destruction.
    ref John chapter 8 (KJV)

    42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

  334. Truth says:
    @Alfred

    I had a son with a Norwegian woman. I supported her and the child financially for many years.

    OK, allow me to switch to Truth Van Buren for just a hot minute.

    You “had a son with” and “supported financially”? Nice, I do not read anywhere there where you “married” or “made a lifetime commitment to”, or “impregnated two more times and raised a family with.”

    So basically, Old Sport, you are angry at a woman for being better at playing the “Pump and Dump” game than you were. Yes, you were going to get tired of her and move on, instead, she got tired of you, and more than the pain of not being able to see your son (and this is an educated guess here) you are stung by the pain of “losing the game.” Yes, believe me, I know, I like to win too.

    So what do I base my prognosis upon? Well, your constant allusion to your “beautiful red ferrari.” your money, your lifestyle, multiple languages, alleged intellect, etc.

    And, lets face it; if not overt, somewhere covertly in your mind you did have the desire to take her son away. I mean, let’s just face it, you had other bytches to raise him whom were probably younger at that point.

    My friend, quite honestly, your post is a mishmash of self-fellatio, and “duh man be holdin’ me down. That’s not to say that you are a bad man, hey, we all have our faults, but if a woman did this to you I can make a strong assumption, from experience, that one of two, or maybe both, factors are at play:

    #1 You married your mother.

    #2 The herring-eater had grounds for what she did.

    As usual, face up to your mistakes, improve from them and move forward. You see, Old Sport, what women most desire from you is commitment, even if they say otherwise, even if they are brainwashed liberal sluts – if you do your job as a man, they will reluctantly learn to do theirs as a woman, almost always, anyway.

    And hey, I did mention two nations in my original post, maybe you will find a London Nigerian more to your liking.

    Sincerely:

    Truth Van Buren.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Commentator Mike
  335. Alfred says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I hope this does not affect his future relations with women.

    He did badly in his school-leaving exams. He got a job at Trondheim University as a janitor. Ex-classmates of his were students there. I brought him to Australia. With the help of my then-wife, we encouraged him. Got him into a physiotherapy college – his marks were just good enough. After a year, his teachers told him that he was too smart and that he should try for medical school.

    He came several times to Australia for long periods. He studied hard and was accepted at the Oslo University Medical School. He was elected class leader. He did very well. He graduated. A bit later, I was in England and in the middle of a divorce. I wanted to visit him in Oslo. He sent me an email accusing me of mistreating him. He is huge and a weight lifter – 195cm and 100kg. I was always polite, generous and kind to him. He did not want to meet me. I have not heard from him since. I try to forget him.

    When he was in Australia, he had a nice girlfriend. He dumped her for no reason. Not in a nice way. He told me how he dumped plenty of girls in Oslo. He is very good-looking.

    I guess he was damaged from the way he was brought up. Kids need two parents. His Norwegian family never wanted him to get a profession. They would have preferred him to be a fisherman or a plumber. I am reconciled that he has become a psychopath. There are quite a few of them in my family. I feel sorry for any girl he marries.

    I just did a search. It seems he is now a GP in a small community in the far north of Norway. Only a few kilometres from the Russian border. That is really funny. I am planning to get another Russian wife soon. Maybe that is also his aim. 🤣

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
  336. Alfred says:
    @Truth

    had a son with

    In Norway, half of all kids born have unmarried parents. It is normal. Legally, there is no distinction. If I had planned to do what you suggested, I would not have moved from Paris to Oslo and given up my lucrative tax-free work in Munich. She told me that she wanted to live in Paris. That was the plan. When she was about to deliver, she insisted on moving to Norway – to please her mother.

    OK. I agree that I am a sucker. But I don’t go around impregnating pretty girls and then abandoning them. If that were the case, I would not have spent several hundred thousand dollars on legal fees and the same again on lost earnings. Living 4 years in Oslo in a good area and with no income is an expensive business I assure you. I had to wind up my successful software consultancy that was based in Paris. My customers were around Europe – UK, Belgium, Germany, France and Italy. Not in Norway.

    Cost of Living in Oslo

    All I was trying to say is that Norwegian women are as crappy as American women. I am not asking for any sympathy. Merely passing on my experience FWIW. 🙂

    The only Nigerian women who I had dealings with were the prostitutes who banged on my door at my hotel in Lagos. Of course, I never let them in.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  337. @Truth

    If I am not mistaken Alfred did send in a report on his visit to Nigeria some time ago, although I don’t recall if he commented on the physical looks of the women there.

  338. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I question conventional hunting, period. By the time guns were invented we were thousands of years past the point of needing to hunt game for food. Gun hunting is oxymoronic. When humans hunted to live they did so with primitive weapons. Furthermore, there’s nothing manly about anything that can be accomplished by a fat man drinking a beer.

    I’m not at all against hunting per se, and I’m not concerned about the ‘animal rights’ of a dumb herbivore. But hunting should be done like it was always done. On foot and with crude weapons by men fit enough to run fast, run far and use a weapon that requires physical strength. That would exclude most people from hunting, but that’s the point.

    To Linh’s point, the fear is everywhere. The left is so brainwashed in their insane cult I’m not even sure fear is the issue. For most of the right, the problem is the will to act. Instead of bread and circuses we have cheap Chinese electronics and an entertainment industry that despises us. But who will act? We can’t even turn off the Sportsball.

  339. Dkgfftjj says:

    Who in his right mind wouldn’t fear a lion? Why go out of your element to look like a cowardly fool, instead it of perfecting your own toke on Why pay for the experience of looking weak and subservient to the expert, and in front of his own wife? Anyway, the wife was no longer young, so what was she worth?

  340. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    It’s not so much about killing animals as facing danger. “Western” men are not willing to face danger, physical or even social. That’s why our lands are turning into jew- and negro-ruled cesspools.

    • Replies: @Truth
  341. Truth says:
    @Ray Caruso

    That’s why our lands are turning into jew- and negro-ruled cesspools.

    (…Yeah, and just wait until he leaves Montana…)

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  342. @Anonymous Jew

    For hunting: most hunters I know are extroverts with money and boredom. They don’t hunt to prove their manliness or for thrill- it is mostly about socializing with other men & eating. Unlike Hem, they don’t read. Non mental types, but usually rather good people.

    For plebs: don’t worry, economic troubles will have ended this house of cards. No amount of rationalization, arguing etc.

    • Replies: @Dube
  343. @Alfred

    Don’t waste your time. Your interlocutor is a black who frequently inserts black themes accentuating black males’ supposed superiority & supposed attraction to them re white females.

    As I said some time ago…

    Blacks have always insisted that “black is beautiful” & similar self-deception because they know they’re looked upon as ugly and stupid and utterly savage. That’s their perception among normal whites, Indians, Asians, Mestizos,…

    So, their saying they like being black is a huge lie. Just look at procedures Michael Jackson went through to bleach himself, or numerous cosmetic products & operations that would make them as white as possible. Among popular culture, Mulattoes are afraid their progeny will go way back to shitskin negritude.

    I think Diana Ross & some other entertainers feel the same- don’t go back to black. That’s why all the hair industry & what not.

    Blacks, males, frequently try to think of themselves as irresistible to white females. But they mostly get landwhales & crumbs from the table. I am not speaking about morality, but who are the most “successful” lotharios in modern Babylon, Hollywood? Whites, from Brando, Beatty, Nicholson to DiCaprio. No blacks. Even among whoring Hollywood females like Angelina Jolie & that Lawrence slut. All white. And no one cares for blacks as erotic partners. So, even if those, morally decrepit & sexually dissolute females are not attracted to black males- it says a lot.

    There is one thing that could contradict my statement. Perhaps average blacks, being simply dumber & without self-reflection, truly think they are manly, superior, wanted …. But that just shows their confidence is based on self-delusion.

    I’ve noticed that Arabs, most of them, still think they’re “manlier” than Israelis. Then I said- if so, how Israelis had beaten you to the pulp in any war from 1948. And it was not just technology. They own you- and you’re afraid. Then- who’s the boss? Who’s better. Who’s dominant? No media, finances, culture- but manliness. You got trashed.

    Nervous smiles and change of the subject.

    Blacks are probably self-assured because of media & their aggrandizement in some sports. If sports- which is a primitive form of masculinity- had been shown in all their richness (water sports, air sports, volleyball, UFC, handball, winter sports, hockey, tennis, …)- the self-image of blacks would be strongly reduced & they’ll be put in their place.

    Where are they among special military units (Green Berets, Seals, Rangers, ….)?

    Simply, most blacks are poor & are stuck with their blackness (society, culture,…), so they they try to pump up some pride to compensate for their shortcomings. If there were cosmetic or genetic procedures to make them white, they would use them all in a nanosecond to flee from blackness.

    Of course- this all is superficial. When Lenin or Hitler, short people, talked- all macho soldiers marched. The ultimate manliness is the strength of a character, unattainable to most blacks.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Truth
  344. Truth says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Your interlocutor is a black who frequently inserts black themes accentuating black males’… superiority &…attraction to them re white females… they know they’re looked upon as …utterly savage. That’s their perception among normal whites,

    Brandi, OId Sport, you’re finally starting to get it.

  345. Dube says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Oh well, why stop now.

    Cooper & Hemingway: The True GenNYT Critic’s PickDirected by John MulhollandDocumentaryNot Rated3 hours
    By Andy Webster
    Oct. 10, 2013

    Gary Cooper and Ernest Hemingway, two models of American virility, had similarities, not least as outdoorsmen: Cooper grew up on a farm in Montana, and Hemingway was a big-game hunter and deep-sea fisherman. But they were also a study in contrasts: Cooper worked with movie crews; Hemingway labored alone. Cooper was understated and conservative, Hemingway volatile and a liberal. The mix, as John Mulholland’s exhaustive documentary “Cooper & Hemingway: The True Gen” demonstrates, made for a friendship spanning decades.

    “The true gen” (Hemingway’s military shorthand for “genuine information”) suggests Cooper’s economical acting style, which dovetailed with Hemingway’s less-is-more writing philosophy. Cooper had starred in Hollywood’s adaptation of Hemingway’s “Farewell to Arms” (1932) before the men first met in Idaho in 1940. Hemingway later insisted that Cooper be cast in “For Whom the Bell Tolls” (1943). After a critical and commercial decline, each rebounded in 1952, Cooper with “High Noon” (for which he won his second Oscar) and Hemingway with “The Old Man and the Sea” (and, two years later, his Nobel Prize). They died weeks apart in 1961.

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  346. @Truth

    Not many Eye-talians in Montana, bub, and I’m not one of the few.

  347. @anon

    It’s extremely unlikely the moon landings were faked for one simple reason: the Soviets would not have let the Americans get away with it. Uncovering the hoax would have been the biggest propaganda coup ever, a million times bigger than showing up Eisenhower as a liar in the Francis Gary Powers affair.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Truth
    , @Alfred
  348. @Anonymous Jew

    That would mean, for instance, that in the absence of wolves and cougars white-tail deer would proliferate in the eastern half of the US to the point that they would cause serious damage to the environment before their population crashed and most starved to death. Since you’re not worried about the killing of herbivores per se and since your ridiculous suggestion that hunting should be limited to clubs and spears amounts to a ban, what exactly is your motivation for a ban? Simply a desire to lord over others? You should rejoice because I have no doubt something just that stupid and intrusive will be enacted in the Great Central North American Utopia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  349. Iris says:
    @Ray Caruso

    It’s extremely unlikely the moon landings were faked for one simple reason: the Soviets would not have let the Americans get away with it. Uncovering the hoax would have been the biggest propaganda coup ever

    You missed the other alternative, dear, and that is blackmail.

    Of course, you are correct, the Soviets being all-time leaders of space industry always knew the Moon landings were faked.

    They managed to obtain hard evidence for the fakery. They sent a submarine which picked up the empty Apollo 13 capsule from the second alleged flight in the Atlantic, off the Azores Islands.

    The Soviets then handed it back to the Americans, with the Hungarians acting as witnesses to both parties, in exchange for funds, investments, grain imports, factories, and all sorts of economic advantages.

    Here is the Apollo capsule being handed back by the Soviets to US icebreaker Southwind in Murmansk in 1970:

    https://www.aulis.com/odyssey_apollo.htm

    After enjoying the rewards from their secret and cosy blackmail, while in the meantime demanding huge sacrifices from the USSR’s population to face the American Cold War foe, the Soviet authorities became themselves trapped by the Moon landing hoax, and could not acknowledge it publicly.

    This situation was very well described by Russian Physics professor Alexander Popov in a four-part series about the Moon Landing Hoax, broadcast on state-owned RT channel in Arabic language about two years ago. So it is clear that the Russians are now distancing themselves from the hoax.

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  350. Truth says:
    @Ray Caruso

    It’s theatre Old Sport, The US and Soviets are, were and allways will be in cahoots against YOU.

  351. Alfred says:
    @Ray Caruso

    It’s extremely unlikely the moon landings were faked for one simple reason …

    It would be very easy for the Russians to publish the real story about 9/11 and identify the responsible individuals. Why do you think they won’t do it?

    It would be very easy for the Russians to point out that Beirut harbour was blown up by a small modern nuclear device. Why don’t they do that?

    I could go on but what is the point. You clearly think that geostrategy is a game of checkers – with all the pieces visible to bystanders. 🙂

  352. @Ray Caruso

    Who said anything about banning? I used ‘should’ as in fat women should not wear thongs, not that it should be illegal. Let fat men hunt all they want. (Absent HBD I lean pretty libertarian). My point is there’s nothing inherently ‘manly’ about drinking beer while sitting behind a blind and shooting with a scoped rifle.

    Hunter-gatherer weapons can be pretty sophisticated. Enough to make hunting doable for someone fit and highly trained, but not so advanced to make it easy for a fat guy drinking a beer.

    You know, we could also reintroduce wolves, cougars et al to their natural range. It’s ironic that the same people that are so adamant about preserving, say, Africa’s large predators don’t want to preserve their own. Maybe we should figure out how to manage our wolves and cougars before we tell Bantu farmers what to do about their lions and hyenas.

  353. LeoXamine says:

    Thanks Dube.
    Some of the above comments note that Hemingway told of murdering a German prisoner. Indeed, he told various people of how he killed 122 enemy soldiers (in three months!) Not a boast he would add; after all, he also taught sniping to the soldiers.
    Alas, there was no record of these deeds, nor of the 16 times he was wounded, etc. You get the picture.To some people, with ample justification, he will be always be a liar and five fingered valor poser. There’s little doubt about the expansive accounts of him deluging people with his obvious fantasies which, even had they been true, would amount to boorish and sociopathic self-revelry and promotion.
    To others though they will take a charitable view of Hemingway, as do I. We know that some fiction writers need to play out their stories — partially at least — in real life. The quality of their literary inventions is dependent on those experiences and it shouldn’t be a surprise writers force these mergers between fantasy and real life. Anyone who took the tour of Hemingway’s home in Key West should remember the podium where he stood and spoke his stories into their unique — yet often relatable –realities. Even at home his writing involved the active writer; not the chair and certainly not the bed.

    • Replies: @Dube
  354. @Alfred

    Fascinating story. I plan to have kids in the future and this gives me food for thought.

    Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems as though you think nothing more could have been done to change his development trajectory? Given the circumstances within which he was raised, he was always going to become the person he became? It seems as though people that grow up in such challenging circumstances may find a way to succeed in spite of said circumstances, they bear a scar for which no amount of mental therapy, alcohol, or even societal success could ever compensate

    You’re likely much older than I, but I’m curious about your thoughts on this topic. People say boys are done “maturing” by the age of 30. Do you think it is possible for your son to change?

    • Replies: @Mike G
    , @Alfred
  355. Mike G says:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    If you are planning to have children NOW. Make sure live somewhere other than shithole usa. And then move further.

  356. Alfred says:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    People say boys are done “maturing” by the age of 30. Do you think it is possible for your son to change?

    I think the personality of a person is determined by the age of 4. I have an older and a younger brother. They have not changed in any way from what they were as youngsters.

    I suspect my son might have become different if he had been allowed to see me. They stopped me from seeing him from the age of 3. I was allowed to see him only once for one hour when he was 4 – in the presence of an elderly Norwegian psychologist. Her fee was NOK 4000 – a considerable amount of money in 1994. Of course, there were massive legal fees just to make that visit possible.

    The Norwegian authorities are perfectly aware of all of this. Their objective is to “Norwegify” kids – so that they look at the Norwegian state as their parent. Vast numbers of Norwegian women have kids with foreigners – but not men. The women claim to be single mothers and get big handouts from the state plus free university etc. Frankly, it is a scam.

    I think that many men in Norway have gone on strike. As a result, the women seek babies with foreigners. The following article is written by a Norwegian woman. She asks all the wrong questions. 🙂

    One in five men haven’t had children of their own by the age of 50. Fewer and fewer men are becoming fathers. What’s happening to Norwegian men?

    The Pakistanis in Norway are very smart. They take the handouts and send their kids to private schools in Pakistan. That way, there are now 3 generations of Pakistani Norwegians who have not been Norwegified. 🙂

    I am 70. You have a Chinese handle. I advise you to marry a Chinese lady – but not a Westernised one. They are just as crappy as the Anglo version IMHO.

    Here is a potential future mayor of Oslo. The royal palace is in the background. Karl Johans Gate is the main street of that city.

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
  357. Dube says:
    @LeoXamine

    We know that some fiction writers need to play out their stories — partially at least — in real life. The quality of their literary inventions is dependent on those experiences and it shouldn’t be a surprise writers force these mergers between fantasy and real life. Anyone who took the tour of Hemingway’s home in Key West should remember the podium where he stood and spoke his stories into their unique — yet often relatable –realities. Even at home his writing involved the active writer; not the chair and certainly not the bed.

    My attempt up-thread to turn discussion to the text as it “lies on the page” went quite flat; you show why it’s difficult to separate Hemingway from his writing. I haven’t been to the typing podium at Key West, but I knew that he wrote while standing, from which I’d inferred that he drew full breath from full body, rather than half-breath from a folded, seated body.

    The physical involvement of a writer with his product seems that it can leave a non-reader with a literary experience – Oh, I don’t read, but I watched him in the bar when he came in, and I sent over a shout and a drink; he nodded. How close, then, is such writing performance with acting? Hm … Hem and Cooper ….

  358. @Alfred

    I understand where you’re coming from. It is sad that this is happening to Norway.

    I’m of East Asian descent, but my family has been in America for a quite a long time (hundred+ years) and we originally assimilated to the pre-1960’s WASP culture. Sadly, we’re the exception to the rule and I find myself in unusual situation where I actually have to “un-assimilate”, given that 1) WASP culture is dead, and 2) it’s actually frowned upon by mainstream society to have assimilated to pre-1965 American culture. The term “whitewashed” has been used as a form of disparagement among ethnic minorities throughout my entire life. Even though I am not “white”, I am sympathetic to the argument that mass immigration is in fact irreversibly changing the social fabric of this country, if only because those of us that actually did the “right thing” are now at a strategic disadvantage for having done so.

    Do you think homeschooling could have prevented this? Leaving America is simply a band-aid. The cultural influence of America has no geographic limits; even parts of China are affected in some way. Perhaps this is just modernity. Japan also has an increasing divorce rate.

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    • Replies: @Alfred
  359. Alfred says:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    Do you think homeschooling could have prevented this?

    I have a distant cousin in Australia who sent her kids to a Montessori school near Melbourne. They live in a large house with a bit of wild scrub and trees. Their 3 kids are quite normal I think. They smile and they play together. My daughters are much better looking and more intelligent but they are miserable teenagers. They went to a Catholic primary school and then to a state secondary school.

    I really cannot directly answer your question. But I do think that home schooling will have a good future – especially if a group of neighbours pool their efforts. There must be ancient school text books somewhere that have not been tampered with by the Jews and the Woke Brigade.

    Leaving America is simply a band-aid.

    The USA is heading for a sort of rearrangement I think. Traditional people are leaving blue states and moving to red states. At some point, there is going to be prolonged violence. Not a civil war as such but more of an asymmetric war IMHO. There will be extended power cuts for long periods. ATM’s will stop working. Shelves will empty of food. Do you really want to stick around?

    New York & California losing Seats as the Mass Exodus continues | Armstrong Economics

    If you are in a red state, the locals might well decide that you don’t belong. Let’s face it, we are all racists deep down.

    Although I am much older than you, I am somewhat luckier. I am partly Egyptian but I look Scandinavian or German. In Kiev, people often ask me for directions – they assume that I am a well-informed local. It is relatively easy for me to find a Ukrainian or Russian wife 40 years younger.

    I have a Chinese/Singaporean friend in Australia. We went to college together. He spent many years in Papua New Guinea. He has a Filipina wife. They seem to be happy together. There are many Filipinas who are partly Chinese. Pretty well all businessmen in the Philippines are partly Chinese. They seem to mix well.

    I wish you good luck. 🙂

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Cho Seung-Hui
  360. Alfred says:

    Papa Doc – Taki

    Hemingway in the Red Cross Hospital (1918)

    • Thanks: Iris
  361. Truth says:
    @Alfred

    My daughters are much better looking and more intelligent but they are miserable teenagers.

    Damn Bro., you done made a couple of Kats here celibate for life.

  362. @Alfred

    Thank you for writing back.

    May I ask why your daughters are miserable? How exactly do your daughters behave differently than those of your cousin?

    I agree America is realigning. Truthfully, it’s just a regression to the norm. The America experiment was interesting, but I can sense its artificiality the older and older I get.

    Regarding Asians

    It’s true that Red Staters likely won’t accept Asians. They may be more honest about the fact that Asians should be in Asia, but they won’t view them as kin. In reality, there is nowhere for Asians within the Red-Blue dichothomy: Blue Staters view Asians as castrated coolies meant to lower the cost of labor; Red Staters likely want nothing to do with Asians, and to the extent they do, it will probably be an even worse version of the Blue State treatment. Asians put up with this because they remain under the impression that there exist no alternatives. And the longer Asians reside in America, the harder it will be to leave as they’ve made more ideological committmenets and have a greater share of their social networks within America.

    May I recommend “Sixth Column” by Robert Heinlein? There is a character named “Frank Mitsui”, one of many Asian-Americans shot on sight by an invading force of Asians from Asia. This is because such Asians, many of whom are half-breeds, are viewed as incompatible within the White-Yellow dichotomy though which Asians view the world. Heinlein’s analysis is prescient: Asian-Americans, to the extent that they deviate from the Asian norm, have no place in any world order in which China triumphs.

  363. @Dumbo

    Among great writers of the 20th Century…

    …Tom Wolfe.

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