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Knowing you can’t run from their jokes, bus drivers will crack a few, so on the endless leg from Washington to Atlanta, the driver intoned, “I don’t believe in Lost and Found, ladies and gentlemen, only eBay. If you forget something on this bus, you can find it on eBay.” Later, he chastised us all because someone had pissed on the toilet’s floor.

As the cheapest means of traveling long distance, MegaBus is bare-boned. Most stops have no shelter, so no bathrooms. Riders may have to wait for their bus, which may be quite late, in withering heat, snow, sleet or hurricane. In Atlanta, however, there’s the amenity of a MegaBus snack truck that also sells pregnancy tests (\$3), tasers (\$20) and pepper sprays (\$7).

What perils could possibly befall these downtrodden or cheapskate travelers? Use your imagination. If Donald Trump sat next to you and grabbed your pussy, wouldn’t you be glad you had bought that pepper spray or taser? If these failed to dissuade our commander-in-chief, you could use your pregnancy test in the bus’ john. Of course, those in the middle class or above would likely shudder at the thought of riding Greyhound, much less MegaBus.

On the bus, there was an actual comedian, Chris Thomas. As “The Mayor,” Thomas had hosted RapCity, a show on Black Entertainment Television. His best loved joke, “I saw this little white girl the other day. She said, ‘You have such big lips! I wish I had lips like yours!’ I said, ‘Bitch, hold still,’” and Thomas bunches his fist. Soft spoken, The Mayor never aimed for humor before getting off in Charlotte.

The MegaBus stop in Atlanta is right outside the CivicCenter subway station, and when it’s very cold, passengers go underground to escape the wind. I saw a ragged, middle-aged black man, likely homeless, dancing quite cheerfully. Laughing, a woman joined him. They jerked and twisted. “I’m dreaming of a black Christmas!” she growled.

There is much to love about the South, and not the least is its food. Soon after arriving in Atlanta, I had some excellent collard greens and mac and cheese with my meatloaf at Metro Deli Soul Food. About half of the merchants inside Sweet Auburn Curb Market were black, but there were also several Korean grocers.

The new South is more diverse than you think. In North Charleston in 2012, I chanced upon Lion’s Den, a bar in a black neighborhood that was owned by an Indian-American. Living there since 1982, the confident, affable man had even run for city council. He boasted of carrying four passports, American, English, Kiwi and Indian, and had visited 53 countries. His bar was decorated with a “WE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS” banner and statues of Shiva, Parvati and Buddha.

Of course, two Southern states, Louisiana and South Carolina, gave us our first two Indian-American governors.

In the hills of Tennessee, an old, befuddled lady told me, “My doctor, you know, he’s not black. He’s something.” She meant Indian.

Each time I travel through the South, I’m struck by the waning of its accent. Attending high school in Northern Virginia from 1978-81, I heard Southern accents much more often than I have in recent trips to Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana and Tennessee. True, I haven’t wandered into rural areas, but it’s sad that natives of Savannah, Raleigh or Charleston, for example, should sound more or less like Yankees.

While television and movies have homogenized American English, the disappearance of the Southern accent can also be attributed to the national media’s relentless shaming of the South. Tired of being depicted as racist morons, many Southerners have neutered and deformed their speech.

The South still knows that Washington is the enemy, but this cognitive advantage is canceled out if you hate yourself. In Durham, I saw a sticker, “GOOD NIGHT WHITE PRIDE,” with one man about to slam a bicycle on another man, sitting on the ground. I had seen the same sticker in Leipzig, Germany.

How bad can the South be if blacks from all parts of the country are moving there? Often referred to as the capital of Black America, Atlanta has many thriving black businesses, including a bank, Citizens Trust, and a car dealer, Wade Ford Inc, that rakes in half a billion bucks yearly.

In Sweet Auburn, I encountered a tiny yet remarkable business owned by one Big Mouth Ben. What attracted me to it was a bicycle that was mostly wrapped in bright yellow tape, with an orange sign above it, “DREAMS AHEAD / PROCEED WITH DETERMINATION.”


At six-years-old, Big Mouth Ben saw, at a gas station, a man return a Coke bottle for ten cents, “My eyes got that big!” so he filled his red cart that day with empties and made two bucks.

Though scoring 98 on his ASVAB to join the Air Force, Big Mouth Ben was also accepted by the University of Georgia, so he attended and thrived, but dropped out after three years to become a rap star, for he had made a name for himself in Athens.

Back in Atlanta, Big Mouth Ben floundered as a rapper, so he secured a government office job, but quit to co-found a mail-order business. He wanted to be a millionaire by 30, and a billionaire by 40. After thriving for several years, his cash cow was poleaxed by online shopping.

Destitute, Big Mouth Ben sold drugs and got hooked himself. Still, he managed to find work as a garbage man, and actually “loved it,” until a reckless car crushed his pelvis. “It was excruciating pain. If you offered me billions of dollars to go do that again, I wouldn’t do it,” he told Wesley Shelby Jr., a television host.


After willing himself through rehabilitation, Big Mouth Ben could swagger again, so used his wheelchair as a cart to peddle soft drinks, water and snacks on the streets. Always a hustler, he also sold add spaces on his modest wheels. “If you want to sell it, let me tell it.”

Wheelchairs can’t fly, however, so Big Mouth Ben switched to a bicycle, and this he wrapped in bright yellow tape, for it represented sunshine. Now, Big Mouth Ben could push refreshment in The Bluff, West End, Kirkwood, College Park and Riverdale, etc. Our hero was everywhere. A recent rap explains:

Man, I love these streets,
But, man, these streets,
They f\$\$k wit me.
East Point, they f\$\$k wit me.
Decatur, they f\$\$k wit me.
Big Mouth Ben loves the streets.
The streets love Big Mouth Ben.
I show you nothing but love,
And most of them are my friends.
Man, I’m well connected.
Man, I’m well respected.
Robbing me, you might get jumped
By these bystanders.
Keep my foot on the pedal.
I hustle so hard,
I deserve a gold medal.
Keep money in my pocket.
I know that’s what you don’t like.
I ain’t worried about you, though.
I got it all on my bike.
I stayed down and I prayed.
I stayed down and I made.
My dream now a reality,
I got it made in the shade.
Atlanta is my city,
For all the love they show me.

Big Mouth Ben couldn’t quite shake his drug habit, however, so he ended up homeless and curled up, on cardboard, under an overpass. “What turned everything around was a spiritual awakening.”

God leveled with Big Mouth Ben, “I promised to love you, regardless. If you want to be under the bridge, I’ll love you under the bridge. If you want to go to prison, I’ll love you in prison. But it’s up to you, where you want to be loved.”

Big Mouth Ben got clean, applied himself and the result is a convenience store that also sells hoodies and T-shirts that say, “CAME FROM NOTHING.” Big Mouth Ben raps, “I really want success, so I act like it. I want to see a million, so I act like it […] Determination is my weapon, so I’m acting like it.”

What a pleasure it was to meet this gentle and gregarious man with a crooked mouth. I also caught a glimpse of Tanya, his college sweetheart and wife.

Continuing down the street, I entered EbenezerBaptist Church. Smallish and plain, it has a grand place in American history thanks to its former pastor, Martin Luther King Jr.

There were less than a dozen visitors in the dimly lit church. Settling into a pew, I listened to a recorded sermon which spoke of being fiscally responsible.

King always preached personal responsibility. In a 1957 sermon about “loving your enemies,” King said, “We must face the fact that an individual might dislike us because of something that we’ve done deep down in the past, some personality attribute that we possess […] and we’ve forgotten about it; but it was that something that aroused the hate response within the individual. That is why I say, begin with yourself. There might be something within you that arouses the tragic hate response in the other individual.” Examine yourself first, King advised. In contrast to our political correctness, King never absolved nor indicted an entire race.

King was a father-figure not just to his flock, but to millions of Americans as he rose in stature. To his critics, though, he was just a sex maniac and plagiarist, just a hypocrite and phony, in short, but what they really object to, I believe, is King’s vision of a colorblind, post-racial America. Not only that, they don’t think it’s possible.

King didn’t just focus on race but class, and he charged that the state robbed its citizens to wage war endlessly, so of course it killed him. Its nemesis silenced, the state then named streets after King, honored him with a national holiday, erected a huge Made-in-China statue of him in DC and, most ironically, deforms his legacy to ensure ongoing racial division and strife. Since identity politics enrages all of us all the time, it’s a most useful tool for the state. Fragment and strangle. Dead, King serves the state.

After eight years of our first black or, rather, biracial president, the country is riven by racial divisions, with the media looking everywhere for evidence of white racism only. Everybody else is a victim, for they’re all penned together, most racistly, as “people of color.”

That evening, I went to Little Five Points to check out its lively cluster of shops and bars. At FinleyPlaza, I encountered half a dozen Black Israelites, preaching. I had seen their brethren in Philly, Washington and Minneapolis. Like Black Muslims, they also believe whites are devils, thus unredeemable. Between strident outbursts, a Black Israelite calmed down, chuckled and explained to another black man, “Of course, I’d like to kill most of them, and keep the rest as slaves, but until then, I can only spread the good words.”

At his feet was a sign, “We Are The True Chosen Nation Of The Bible / The Twelve Tribes of Israel,” with each of them black, Hispanic or Native American. Beware of any “chosen people,” for what could be more suprematist or racist? Such a concept, seriously embraced, allows any man, tribe or nation to enslave, loot or murder with righteousness.

In the mild weather, I strolled among the bar hoppers, heard their laughter and noticed stores named Fearless Weirdos, Criminal Records, Posse Riot and World Piece. At a wig shop, there was a flyer, “NO! In the Name of Humanity, We REFUSE to Accept a Fascist America.” Nearby, a young beggar sat in the semi-dark, his cup empty.

After two pints in Brewhouse Cafe, I exited to discover I was gravely underdressed, for the temperature had plummeted. Heading for the train, I passed two gutter punks lying on grass, with only one in a sleeping bag.

Linh Dinh’s Postcards from the End of America has just been released by Seven Stories Press. He maintains an active photo blog.

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  1. Ah yes ‘fascist’. I wonder how many people know what fascist means, the root and the history of the word.

    It used to be the most common curse among toothless soviet citizens who could barely remember their children’s names. It supplanted ‘son of a Mongolian whore’ from more civilized WW1 days.

    I wonder how it crossed over from being the ubiquitous curse of ignorant Russians to being the ubiquitous curse of ignorant Americans.

    Who hates fascists anyway?


    • Replies: @OutWest
  2. How bad can the South be if blacks from all parts of the country are moving there?

    Well, black culture is Southern culture. Blacks and Southern whites actually have a lot more in common than either do with Northern whites. Most blacks feel more comfortable in the South, and Southern whites in my experience are more likely to develop real friendships with blacks than Northerners are. Up in the North we only like oreos like Obama or Key & Peele.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
  3. Sunbeam says:

    “Well, black culture is Southern culture. ”

    Not mine.

    And it’s not a point of discussion even on this site, but if this reverse Great Migration continues for too many more years, we are going to reach the “puke point” in demographics and we’ll start to see Southern white emigration from Southern states, 300+ years of history be damned. The stark fact is that the reality of a majority black area is enough to outweigh sentiment and tradition. It’s really not a choice at all.

    It’s the perfect storm. Hispanics pushing them out of the West and Southwest; economic change and just Yankees being Yankees out of the Midwest and Northeast.

    So of course they are moving back down South. The important question (to me) is where my people go. And whether we disappear. Because staying where we are isn’t an option unless some really dramatic changes are made.

    You can kiss Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina goodbye. Charlotte is already gone. Question is where the line is drawn? Tennessee and North Carolina look good except for some major metros and coastal regions.

    And who cares about Florida at all.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @fitzGetty
  4. iffen says:

    Oh, give me a home where the Negroes do not roam

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
  5. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Atlanta is famed for its mack daddies. The great Sir Charlws Pipkins be a native of Atlanta who teach all future bruthas in his book REALLY REALLY PIMPIN ON DA SOUTH. You know what I’m sayin.

    • Replies: @fitzGetty
  6. Sunbeam says:

    If that’s sarcasm I will point out that SJW’s are totally free to enrich their own lives with as much black diversity as they wish in this country.

    Yet they never do. And they actively run from it.

    And to be blunt, I’ve met lots of immigrants to this country. Lots of grad students passing through (though a lot of them wound up staying).

    But all of them wind up following the same pattern. Come to think of it, the few actual African immigrants I’ve met to here aren’t keen on American black culture. Nor the Caribbean ones. No idea what their children think of things.

    Jesus, black people don’t want to live around black people. Except they only want to live around black people. It’s a black thing, and I definitely do not understand it. But both statements are true at the same time.

    It’ll drive you crazy. Only thing to do is not to think about it.

  7. OutWest says:
    @Timur The Lame

    A fascist is a socialist who believes that the government should control and dictate to business while leaving ownership in the industrialist’s hands. A communist is a socialist who believes government should own all means of production. These differing views lead to profound conflict between closely related ideologues.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @slorter
    , @MBlanc46
  8. George says:

    “Of course, two Southern states, Louisiana and South Carolina, gave us our first two Indian-American governors.”

    My understanding of AnteBellum race theory was that there were superior races, China, India, and you guessed it Europe and inferior races, you guessed it African. The crime in their mentality was coolie-ism or the enslavement of superior race Indians and Chinese.

    Possibly illustrative of Southern attitudes: Famous Southerners and Siamese twins Chang and Eng married white women, and two of their sons served in the Confederate States of American Army during the civil war.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  9. Beware those who call themselves the chosen. Amen!!!

  10. neutral says:

    Like so many you are ignoring race and its role in fascism, which is the ultimate difference between fascism and communism. In fact, communism can be grouped in the same ideological categories as capitalism, libertarianism, liberalism and Islam, they all preach the non existence of biological realities. The profound conflict is between the idea of biology vs universal values as being the core to running society.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    , @Talha
    , @Art
  11. fitzGetty says:

    … but they got us to the moon … ?…

    • Replies: @Truth
  12. fitzGetty says:

    It is time for Hilton Head to become … walled …

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  13. @George

    I’m not usually one to be in favour of imposing diversity, but perhaps it would be good if a small number of Asians could be persuaded to move to the Southern states. Chang and Eng’s descendants are quite remarkable considering they were just from fishing families.

    And it might break the racial duopoly, the hopeless mental straightjacket of resentment where the whites blame the gubmint and the blacks blame whitey. And they’re both a little right.

  14. @neutral

    There were plenty of Jews in the Italian National Fascist Party. They were over-represented in fact. The racial aspects of Fascism came entirely from the Nazis. From a man who looked like an angry Albanian taxi driver.

  15. @fitzGetty

    I had some family members who were thinking of buying real estate in Beaufort SC. The realtor kept stressing to them that the city is surrounded by water.

    • Replies: @Serge Krieger
  16. @TelfoedJohn

    There are plenty of Asians in the South. Blacks continue to wail about white privilege, even as every imported group just steps ahead of them on the ladder. Globalism is hard on American blacks, which is why a lot of them end up broke and schizophrenic like Big Mouth Ben.

    Whites are the only people left with any sense of guilt over slavery and Jim Crow. When whites are a plurality, blacks will find themselves back in the 1880’s.

  17. The loss of the southern accent among Whites is a tragedy. I’ve noticed this when listening to speakers from the deep south, they all have the same generic North American accent. I think it is due in large part to feeling shame about being from the south. After all, for the last fifty years all they’ve heard is that they’re all ignorant evil devils.

    On the other hand, American blacks, regardless of where they come from, all sound like southerners to me. I’ve heard blacks from North Dakota and Maine who sounded like they were from rural Alabama. I guess it’s a point of pride among them to not sound “white”. Part of their ongoing refusal to identify with their fellow Americans.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
  18. Big Mouth Ben just renovated his store from his savings. He’s had nothing handed to him and welcomes people of any race and faith that comes by. On a previous visit, people were standing around talking about how to help people in the neighborhood that are having problems, like one kid that was said to be walking around with ripped pants. Someone asked where he was and I said, “he’s the guy out there with the ripped pants” since I have more zingers than the Mayor. He was scheduled to deliver a motivational lecture at Emory right after this visit. He is an inspiration to a one of the most important historical black neighborhoods that was, like some NYC borough neighborhoods, cut in pieces by highway overpasses.

  19. @The Anti-Gnostic

    So that vampires do not cross ?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  20. @Serge Krieger

    In a manner of speaking. There’s no room to build Section 8 tenant farms, no justification to expand the school district and invite the EASL vibrancy in, the local government knows what a little slice of heaven they’ve got so no zoning for condo towers, etc.

    Here’s all you need to know about real estate in America: if prices discriminate, you don’t have to.

  21. Dead, King serves the state.

    Interesting how that works.

    Same same with the dude on the cross.

    Beware of any “chosen people,” for what could be more suprematist (sic) or racist? Such a concept, seriously embraced, allows any man, tribe or nation to enslave, loot or murder with righteousness.

    Say what, again?

    We will not renounce our part in the mission of our race, trustee, under God, of the civilization of the world. And we will move forward to our work, …[ with] thanksgiving to Almighty God that He has marked us as His chosen people, henceforth to lead in the regeneration of the world.

    – Albert J. Beveridge speech in congress (1900)
    by Albert Jeremiah Beveridge, Congressional Record, Senate, 56th Congress, 1st session, Jan. 9, 1900, 704–712.

    • Replies: @republic
  22. Che Guava says:


    Interesting as always, but I want to say that subcontinental Indians are often terribly stuck-.up, have never been to the USA, but they sound the same as sub-continentals in my brief times in western countries. Noses in the air.

    In Singapore, very different, many friends from Indian background in school days there, they did not have noses in the air.

    Why not pay some attention to American Indians?

    I was amazed that the NYT had an article to praise Indian Americans, I read it in reverse, so was briefly amazed that the NYT was praising American Indians, read more closely, it was just about sub-continentals.

    Stopped reading their Japan edition after that.

    Linh, always welcome to contact me if you will be here.

    I didn’t read the whole article closely tonight, tired and will do tomorrow.

  23. @Johnny Smoggins

    American blacks, regardless of where they come from, all sound like southerners to me.

    Obama could turn his black accent on and off.

  24. @utu

    Stop talking about it!

    That was priceless! Two American multi-millionaires! Freeman left Wallace speechless! Wallace was too timid to identify as White so he threw out the Jewish-victim race card. I just gained immeasurable respect for Morgan Freeman. And lost even more for Mike Wallace (who always seemed more fair and balanced and mentally-healthy than his old colleague Dan Rather).

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  25. republic says:
    @jacques sheete

    The speech that got king killed

    Riverside Church , NYC


    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  26. Truth says:

    We haven’t been to the moon, Sport.

    • Replies: @fish
    , @The Plutonium Kid
  27. Dr. X says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Most blacks feel more comfortable in the South

    …but only in the post-segregation era, in which they are able to control it.

    Harlem, which became known as “N!gger Heaven” as a Mecca for blacks who migrated from the South in the 1920s, is now gentrifying and white hipsters are driving the blacks out. Somewhere I read that Harlem is only 40% black today.

    Conversely, in the 21st century Atlanta is becoming the new black capital of he U.S. as blacks migrate south to what is now an almost entirely black-controlled city.

  28. Talha says:

    Hey neutral,

    Islam, they all preach the non existence of biological realities.

    Not the case with us; the Islamic position should be fairly clear. As I mentioned in Mr. Lindh’s previous article – God both takes credit for creating the variations in the languages, colors and tribes and nations – but (most importantly) makes it clear we are all brothers and that He only takes into consideration moral character in determining who is most noble.

    Scholars like Ibn Khaldun (ra) and Ibn Battuta (ra) documented these natural distinctions a long time ago. And people like Imam Suyuti (ra) more recently.


    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @RobinG
  29. fish says:

    Well you guys haven’t……wait let me try to close this out Truth style…..ummm…..old sod!

  30. @TelfoedJohn

    You’re forgetting that the left has assigned whites the role of the villain of world history. They try to whip up anti-white racism in any non-white group they can, and they do as much as possible to instill guilt and self-hatred in whites. As long as the left has a hammerlock on the media and the universities, whites are in danger of being dispossessed.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  31. @Truth

    Anybody who believes we haven’t sent manned missions to the moon is a crackpot, sport.

    • Replies: @Truth
  32. Agent76 says:

    “Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.” Frederick Douglass

    May 1, 2015 BlackSpring in “BALTIMORE” from the forthcoming Nina Simone tribute album

    In the 1970’s the legendary artist and civil rights activist, Nina Simone released a song entitled “BALTIMORE.” It spoke to the challenges of urban living, particularly for people of color.

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Sunbeam
  33. Art says:

    Like so many you are ignoring race and its role in fascism, which is the ultimate difference between fascism and communism. In fact, communism can be grouped in the same ideological categories as capitalism, libertarianism, liberalism and Islam, they all preach the non existence of biological realities. The profound conflict is between the idea of biology vs universal values as being the core to running society.

    An excellent comment – it is true that the current day political contest in American is between biological traits and intellectual American idealism as found in our founding documents – Delectation of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

    In our documents are found intellectual ideals about independence from the old dictates of national and religious tribalism – the new goals were personal independence and freedom.

    The Democrat party let by the Jews appeals to biological traits – tribe, race, gender, and age.

    It is easy to understand – just ask the question – is the appeal to our brains or to our below the belt identity. Is the appeal to our mind or our gonads?

    The Jew led Democrats for the last 50 years are clearly going for the gonads.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Sherman
  34. Truth says:
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Where’s your evidence? Oh, let me guess… “I saw it on TV…”

  35. Sherman says:

    Hey Genius

    “Delectation of Independence”.

    Is this what you mean by “intellectual American idealism”?


  36. Sunbeam says:


    Actually I think there needs to be another video.

    An adaption of the lyrics “This is the day the Lord has made, rejoice and be glad in it.”

    Only this version says “This is the world you have made, rejoice and be glad in it.”

    But you see shots of Detroit. Gary, Indiana. Chicago. Memphis. St. Louis. Birmingham.

    Not like America is running short of these hellholes (or hellholes in cities otherwise doing ok).

    You guys are nuts. You really seem to believe there is a committee of white people somewhere, headed by “The Man,” who is making these areas FUBAR.

    Trust me “The Man” not only isn’t doing that, he isn’t thinking about these areas at all (unless he has a sweet real estate play in mind).

  37. @republic


    Many thanks for helping fill a gaping lacuna in my body of knowledge. Never even heard of that magnificent piece of work.

    After King delivered the speech, Smiley reports, “168 major newspapers the next day denounced him.” Not only that, but then-President Lyndon Johnson disinvited King to the White House. “It basically ruins their relationship,” says Smiley. “This was a huge, huge speech,” he continues, “that got Martin King in more trouble than anything he had ever seen or done.”

    50 years later we’ve not only not been able to achieve a moral maturity, but have rather achieved a moral senility.

    The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve…

    Not only have we not even begun to achieve a revolution of values. which is the only true revolution, but the arrogance seems to have metastasized.

    The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.

    A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, “This way of settling differences is not just.” This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

    Martin Luther King, Jr., Beyond Vietnam / A Time to Break Silence Speech, 4 April 1967

    • Replies: @RobinG
  38. @The Plutonium Kid

    As long as the left has a hammerlock on the media and the universities, whites are in danger of being dispossessed.

    Given the history of us whites, playing the victim card seems a bit much even at this point.

    Arrogance typically doesn’t exactly foster sympathy either, and there’s still plenty of it around, it seems.

  39. Che Guava says:

    You may go back to the name you were using in your recent brief absence, from style and words, clearly the same person. It would be preferable.

    WTF does ‘ra’ mean, please enlighten us stupid infidel as to the meaning of your abbreviation.

    Your ‘peace’ as your alter-ego was also inevitably using in your missing weeks is just a joke, and your post is pure sophistry.

    BTW, is not ‘Lindh’, and everything you say in that para. is an implied threat. Al’lah is not equivalent to God.

    I am far more noble in intention and deed than most Muslims whom I have had the misfortune to encounter (as stated before, grievous violence and disrupted life for no reason, sure changed my mind). That is the principle of ‘nobility’ for all too many in your ‘faith’.

    Sure, I have met a few who were friends, but the women in those places at that time never wore hijabs (most do now) and it was long ago. Now, it is radiated hate, and not from me. Was a little shocked the first time to experience it, but I just avoid Muslims now. Fortunately, they are few here now, and may it remain so.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I recently visited the South for the first time in ten years, snd was shocked at the hostility I felt from the blacks. I used to feel that the races got along better on the South. That has changed. I now find New York City blacks more frindly to whites than Atlanta blacks.

    I think whites may start to move north. It is not a good feeling that the person serving you in a store hates you. The best description for southern blackS now is surly.

    After that visit, I crossed the south off my list of potential places to live.

  41. slorter says:

    Both groups are not socialist!

  42. Talha says:
    @Che Guava

    Hey Che,

    Who was that? I can swear an oath that I’m only using the Talha handle for posting on this forum – I don’t post anonymously either. Oh – but I’m probably doing taqiyyah right now – so you never can know with us.

    ‘ra’ equals either rahmatullahi alaihi(m) (may the mercy of God be upon him/them) or radiAllahu anhu(m) (may God be pleased with him/them)

    BTW, is not ‘Lindh’

    Good point – how embarrassing – I just insulted our host. Mr. Dinh – my sincere apologies.

    Al’lah is not equivalent to God.

    Y’all need to have a talk with the Coptic and Arabic Christians – those dudes are seriously screwing things up in their liturgy!

    and everything you say in that para. is an implied threat

    I apologize for the micro-aggression…can tha peoplez haz their safe spaces?

    That is the principle of ‘nobility’ for all too many in your ‘faith’.

    I apologize ‘for’ all Muslims that ‘I’ have absolutely no ‘control’ over…can tha peoplez haz ‘their’ safe spaces?

    but I just avoid Muslims now

    You should – they seem to just give off the wrong vibes to you. I especially don’t recommend it if you have high blood pressure or other health issues where stress or anger can have a deleterious effect.


    • Replies: @Che Guava
  43. Talha says:
    @Che Guava

    Also, I don’t know if you know, but there is a way to ignore my posts. Mr. Unz has made it really easy actually. I would suggest you do, I think it’s a bit unhealthy to dwell on the activities of posters on an anonymous forum (which handles they’re using, when they are on/offline, etc.). there are probably better uses of time; calligraphy, kendo, etc.

    I’m going to continue pooping in my corner of the sandbox until I’m asked by Mr. Dinh or Mr. Unz to leave – I swear, I won’t fight.

    If you don’t like the smell, there are three other corners to stand in and at least two of them are not downwind at any given moment.


    • Replies: @Che Guava
  44. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    Indeed, a great speech, and great that you’ve discovered it. If anyone wants to listen (they could read the text at your link at the same time) –

    Beyond Vietnam: A Time To Break Silence [Full Speech]
    Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. – April 4, 1967 –

    But it was another year before he was killed, and some believe it wasn’t his criticism of the war, but rather his demand for economic justice that drove the nail in his coffin.

    Martin Luther King Jr. Made Demands and Moved History

    (Posting this is not an endorsement of UFAA.)

  45. Che Guava says:

    Nice festival of sarcasm from toi. Thanks for the explanation of (ra).

    While you were not posting, a non-muslim poster had the same patterns of words, except the Islamic bits, having some experience as a moderator on a fractious site, if I were a mod. here, I’d have been checking the IPs.

    Perhaps just someone impersonating you. Since you had a coincidental break in posting at the time, and the other poster’s posts were exactly like yours, except for religious professions …

    As for your other misconceived and insulting comments, it is pleasing to me that you dropped your mask, and turned nasty and SJW at the same time. Far worse than anything from me.

    As for Arab and other middle-eastern Christians, I am well aware of doctrinal differences, although the congegations, and often the priests forget them.

    Do you think their treatment in recent years is great?

    Do you think that Persia’s oppression of Zoarastrinism since the Shia Islamists hijacked the revolution there is great?

    Despite your bad habit of closing every post with an insincere ‘Peace’, as did your doppelganger in the last several weeks, you make your true thougts obvious in your reply.

    The Buddha and Zoroaster were near contempories.

    I have much respect for both.

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  46. Che Guava says:

    That is also insulting. I am well aware of the ‘ignore this commenter’ button, I choose never to use it.

    It is very amusing that you descend to shit (literally) metaphors to try to inform me. Just glad that I made you lose your temper and display your reality.

  47. Talha says:
    @Che Guava

    Hey Che,

    Nice festival of sarcasm

    We aim to please – go back and read your initial reply to me, chief. When you do, try to step into my shoes when you read it. Or send it to a friend and ask them what they objectively think of the tone in which you addressed me. I’ll totally cop to being somewhat passive aggressive in the last post.

    I’d have been checking the IPs

    Not into calligraphy and kendo, eh?

    SJW at the same time

    Bro, I’m not the one seeing threatening intents in innocuous statements about the brotherhood of man and that God judges men by their conduct and character.

    Do you think their treatment in recent years is great?

    No I don’t – do you?

    A scholar I admire very much said clearly regarding what is happening to Christians at the hands of our extremists: “To break the ancient pact of security of the Companions (ra) is an act of disgraceful treachery w/o excuse.”

    Ditto with any oppression taking place in Iran against Zoroastrians. Why don’t you give me fuller list of grievances so I can denounce them? Or maybe you think you’re going to find one where I say; “Yeah – you got me, I totally support the rape and slaughter of innocents in that region and pillaging their houses of worship.”

    you make your true thougts obvious in your reply

    Please continue with the free psycho-analysis, but I think I am going to start ignoring you. There literally is nothing of value to this current exchange between us. And going any further with it will likely make me cross the line of something I will regret on the Day of Judgement.

    I will say this – it’s obvious you have some very serious hate towards Muslims in you. Given your past experience, this is understandable. You seem to project insincere and murderous intentions in all of us. That’s fine – that’s your thing, nothing I can say will likely change this. In fact, any of my past attempts at conciliatory words to you have been thrown back in my face. Not a very Christian position to take based on my experience with Christians, but to each his own.


    Bonus: Congratulations, if you were hoping to make it to my vaunted “Don’t Waste My Time” list – you made the cut.

  48. RobinG says:

    Hey, Talha,

    Please look at Phil Giraldi’s latest column, comments #235 (last sentence) and #237. I think these are quite incorrect, but am not expert.

    • Replies: @Talha
  49. Talha says:

    Hey RobinG,

    Thanks for the heads up – yes, very incorrect on many points, but I’m feeling lazy so I think I’m going to stay out of it. Just a couple of points.

    Qur’an = Talmud is an unsupportable conclusion by any rigorous standard – there are less than 5% of its verses dealing with rulings. Honestly, by just using the Qur’an alone one can’t even figure out how to do the five daily prayers or even that there are five in a day.

    And yes, we are agnostic as to the details of the Crucifixion – many scholars debated over what is the correct opinion, but it doesn’t really matter because it was never a huge event in our framework (for a Christian it is THE huge event). We’re quite happy that the Son of Mary (pbuh) was miraculously saved and is set to return to help set things right (that’s actually the bigger story in our eyes).

    I sometimes get astonished at how willing people are to simply talk about things of which they have no serious knowledge. I usually try to stay out of those subjects – like the threads going on about WW2 and such – I keep my mouth shut (half the time from keeping myself from being embarrassed). The trouble with trying to correct people is that, even if I try in a reasonable manner, then their ego kicks in and they have to double down. Some people I’ve conversed with are able to look at things objectively – too many are too heavily invested in their ignorance.


  50. @Talha

    And yes, we are agnostic as to the details of the Crucifixion

    LOL. Any and all crucifixion stories are pure invention.

    I sometimes get astonished at how willing people are to simply talk about things of which they have no serious knowledge.

    Like the Crucifixion, for instance.

    • Replies: @Talha
  51. Talha says:

    Ah the bugbear (and mercy) of difference of opinion; I would be remiss not to mention that there are legitimate opinions mentioning the percentage as high as near 10 and as low as near 3. Just for sake of being comprehensive.

  52. Talha says:
    @The Real John Jeremiah Smith


    Speaking of those that may have died and arisen from the grave; is that you JJS? Fer’real tho??!!


  53. Speaking of those that may have died and arisen from the grave; is that you JJS? Fer’real tho??!!

    Unz has proprietary software written to ID people (or to maintain consistency — or some other official explanation of which I can no longer keep track). Apparently, the first John J. Smith email address is regarded as sacrosanct, Undt! Ve vill yuse zat address!! So, I pre-pended “The Real”.

    For the convenience of various hate-spitters and wild-eyed “Save it for the wrath of Jesus — and just you wait, you’re gonna burrrrrnn, JJS!” types, I have created a semi-permanent email address for the John Jeremiah Smith persona, [email protected].

    Hate at your leisure.

    So, what’s up, Tal? Slumming again?

    • Replies: @Talha
  54. Talha says:
    @The Real John Jeremiah Smith

    Hey TRJJS,

    Slumming again?

    LOL – you got me. I probably have better things to do with my time, but you have to admit the exchanges do get interesting – the ones not so mired in nonsense and vitriol. I’ve definitely learned things since I’ve come aboard – even from people I completely disagree with; when they talk reasonably, it helps me get into their shoes to at least see things from a different vantage point.

    Good luck to you in ducking the stuff that gets flung your way!


  55. Horst says: • Website

    MLK was a communist subversive.
    His given name was Michael King.
    The South died in the very early 90’s.
    Whites in the South have been destroyed through social engineering.
    The only way for the South to regain its dignity is a conversion to true traditional Catholicism.
    (Not the novus ordo new age JP2 Francis garbage)

    • Replies: @OutWest
  56. MBlanc46 says:

    That’s a pretty reasonable definition.

  57. OutWest says:

    Agreed that he was functionally an International Communist and subversive. However, I doubt that he realized this. He was surrounded by Soviet ideologues and completely out of his depth in the north. The industrial workplace was in the early throes of death. His reaction was to deem ethnic neighborhoods as segregation and neighborhood schools were similarly condemned. This merely compounded the problems. So he resorted to government, Soviet style programs for the workplace and schools. He died before the results became apparent. But there were many fellow travelers in the courts and administrative agencies to carry the socialist water. Thus busing and quotas etc. that got us to the present. I doubt that the resulting needy and/or homicidal black population was what he had in mind.

  58. Wiremu says:

    It is not a “Kiwi” passport. It is a New Zealand passport.
    Don’t get cute, even if you are only 13.

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