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[the below will be translated into Farsi and published at this website]

The Iranian people would like to know how would you interpret Floyd’s death: an isolated case of officers mistreating criminals or a sign of systematic anti-black racism?

-As we can clearly see in the film, Floyd was murdered, for an officer knelt on his neck as he was lying face down on the ground, handcuffed. He posed no threats to the cops. Although you may attribute his killing to racism, and there is plenty of it in the US, one must also remember that American cops kill a lot of whites, browns and yellows, too. Blacks are more often the victims of police brutality because cops have more run-ins with blacks. They commit more crimes.

Keep in mind, also, that American cops have become more militarized in recent decades, most notably after 9/11, and they’ve become more Israelized. Thousands have been sent to Israel to learn police tactics, which is curious, for Israel has the absolute worst record for police abuse in the world. Trained by Israelis, many American cops return home to treat Americans like occupied Palestinians. Kneeling on people’s face and neck is an Israeli staple.

During the last couple of years, we have frequently heard of pro-black protests in the US. Are we witnessing a surge in pro-black activism? If yes, then what’s the reason?

-As long as there are blacks in the US, there will be black activism and protests, because blacks will always feel aggrieved. Even in black run cities, where the mayor, police chief and district attorney are blacks, blacks are angry at “the system,” simply because they don’t compete as well as other races in that system. They open fewer businesses, make less money and fail more at schools. Generally speaking, black run countries also don’t fare as well in the global system, and by saying all this, I’m not defending any system or saying it should a measurement of one’s worth.

Black resentment, though, is constantly stoked by the American media and many politicians, and they do this to divide and conquer the country. When blacks commit outrageous crimes against whites, browns or yellows, it’s downplayed or completely ignored by the media, which causes the victim’s group to feel resentment and anger. The ruling class wants a constantly seething population, and so far, it’s been very successful at having citizens always enraged at each other, instead of being united to fight against those who are actually kneeling on their necks.

Some US officials lamented the tragedy and the officer responsible for Floyd’s murder is to be put on trial. So why don’t the protesters give up?

-The protesters won’t be appeased even if the entire Minneapolis Police Department is convicted of first-degree murder, with every last officer executed on television. They’re not just angry at racism or police brutality, but mostly because they’ve been systematically disenfranchised, going back decades, so that they’re lucky to have a lousy job and a crummy and overpriced apartment, far from their worksite. They’re also angry because they’re socially isolated, a factor that’s almost never mentioned. Americans are among the loneliest people in earth. They don’t live in communities, but cells, with their cellphones their boon companions.

It was easy to predict the rioting, looting and street violence you see now. George Floyd’s death is a trigger, but also a pretext, for nearly every kind of American to unleash his anger. Even before the economic collapse that’s set off by the coronavirus, America was in serious decline and in deep trouble.

In contrast to the images of affluence and ecstasy beamed out by America to the rest of the world, American cities and towns were not happy places, for they’re filled with too many shuttered stores, ruins of factories, dull faces and misshapen bodies, from a lack of purposeful activities. Drug and alcohol abuses were rampant. I personally know young Americans who’ve died from heroin overdoses. Despair was already widespread, but 40 million more people unemployed and countless businesses abruptly destroyed, the anger and frustration will erupt for many more months. This is just the beginning.

Did Donald Trump act as a responsible president? What’s the buzz about his tweet?

-Trump is not a responsible president, but none of his recent predecessors has been either. Obama sounded better, but was just as complicit in the corruption and criminality of the US government. American elections are shams.

Five months before Trump was “elected,” I wrote, “In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.

“A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics.”

This, when many commentators thought the deep state would sabotage Trump’s candidacy or even murder him, but no one becomes a US president without the approval of the deep state. As for the mechanism of American “elections,” it is a joke, for it’s done mostly with machines that cannot be audited. They are as responsive to your wish as the slot machines at casinos.

How do you assess the behavior of the US corporate media? Did they provide their audience with fair, realistic coverage of the developments?

-As a nonstop brainwashing machine, the US corporate media can’t tell the truth about anything. It will often set up minor or false arguments to distract you from real issues, which are never addressed objectively or in depth.

With this coronavirus crisis, the corporate media report on Trump signing a $484 billion relief bill “to boost small business, hospitals and testing,” but they say nothing about the $6 trillion that were given to banks, large corporations and investors.

Though they talk endlessly about serving Main Street, American politicos are only loyal to Wall Street and Israel, but the American media, which are dominated by Jews, will never expose this. They’re in cahoots to serve Jewish interests.

As for American “intellectuals,” they know what topics to stay clear of if they don’t want to be demonized, ostracized and hounded out of a job. Like American newscasters, American “intellectuals” are also habitual liars. In such a climate, no truth can surface.

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For several years, I was a commentator for Iran’s Press TV, so I was on dozens of YouTube videos, but suddenly they were all erased, along with all Press TV videos. Since 2015, I’ve written for Unz Review, so I’m humbled and honored to be featured along with Gilad Atzmon, Kevin Barrett, Laurent Guyenot, Whitney Webb, Paul Craig Roberts, Michael Hudson, the Saker, Pepe Escobar, Philip Girardi, Ron Paul and Ron Unz himself, etc. I mean, these are all top-notch public intellectuals, but suddenly, Unz Review was banned by FaceBook and suppressed by Google, so its traffic has dropped tremendously. There is not a healthy debate about anything in the USA.

The American mental landscape is absolutely surreal, for just about everything you’re allowed to see, hear, smell or touch is bullshit.

How does the police treatment of the protests compare to similar protests in other countries? Is the US well placed to lecture other governments on how to treat the opposition?

-The US only supports “the opposition” in foreign countries to destabilize them. As a justification, it always cites the promotion of “democracy,” but since there is no democracy in America itself, this is clearly a sham. Americans don’t decide anything. Their government is a criminal organization that does whatever it wants, including plunging the country into war after war for the benefits of Israel, war profiteers and bankers. As house slaves, though, Americans do reap some imperial benefits, so that has helped to somewhat pacify them. As crumbs stop falling from their master’s table, however, they may actually stiffen up and become a real opposition.

How will Floyd’s murder affect the future of America? Is this a milestone or something?

-America is going through a convulsion that will change it forever, but it’s not about George Floyd or even black/white relations. The country is vomiting all over itself because it’s thoroughly sick, financially, intellectually and morally. Out of this chaos, though, some clarity must emerge, even if it can only be applied locally. For the sake of the world, and Americans themselves, the country should break up, but maybe I’m being too optimistic. Going down, America might just resort to its own Samson Option.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Linh, much as I, like many others, admire your writing, both in style and substance, I gotta say, your remarks about police killing are inaccurate and left the wrong impression in your interviewer’s mind.

    You’re smart enough to know that you can’t–no person can–understand social relations in America without breaking down statistics by race.

    Since police killings of civilians has become an issue, I’ve seen figures that place the number of deaths at police hands as being 350 a year, which number had since has ratcheted up to 500 and now 1000 is being bandied about. Since there are 320 million citizens, lets just use 640 as the number since that allows us to do the math without hauling out a calculator (or even a pencil).

    320 of 320 million would be one out of a million, so 640 would be one out of half a million. So, roughly speaking, out of 500,000 Americans, 1 is killed yearly by police. Imagine that. A city of 500,000 people. We all live near or in such a city. And in one year only one person will fall to the police.

    Now, imagine America’s crime rate. How many homicides, rapes, armed robberies etc. occur in a city of 500,000 citizens. In light of that, how can you say,

    “one must also remember that American cops kill a lot of whites, browns and yellows, too”?

    C’mon Linh. Don’t veer off into fiction in what is supposed to be an interview in search of facts. You’re better than this.

    • Disagree: Biff
    • Replies: @utu
    , @lloyd
    , @bluedog
  2. Well done, but do some proofreading:

    because cops have more run ins with police

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  3. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    I just asked Ron to correct it to “because blacks have more run ins with police.”

  4. RudyM says:

    So from your perch in Vietnam (or whatever country you’re in this week), you have decided we should break out country apart. Who gives a fuck what an eternal ESL student like you thinks?

    • Replies: @Anon01
  5. utu says:
    @ThreeCranes

    American police kills civilian at from 7 to 60 higher rate than European police.

    US -28 per 10 mil
    France 3.8
    Norway – 1.9
    Germany – 1.3
    UK – 0.5
    Japan – 0.2

    “The Guardian newspaper runs its own database, The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies including from gunshots, tasers, car accidents and custody deaths. In 2015 they and counted 1146 deaths and 1093 deaths for 2016. The database can be viewed by state, gender, race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., “gunshot”), and whether the person killed was armed.[29] The Washington Post also keeps a database of police killings for 2015 to 2017. The database can also classify people in various categories including race, age, weapon etc. The database lists 995 deaths for 2015, 963 for 2016, and 976 for 2017.[30]”

    “A database collected by The Guardian found that 1093 people in 2016 were killed by the police. The rate of fatal police shootings per million was 10.13 for Native Americans, 6.6 for black people, 3.23 for Hispanics; 2.9 for white people and 1.17 for Asians.[31] By total, police more frequently killed whites than any other race or ethnicity.[32] As a percentage of the U.S. population, however, black Americans were 2.5 times more likely than whites to be killed by the police in 2015.[32] A 2015 study found that unarmed blacks were 3.49 times more likely to be shot by police than were unarmed whites”. – Wiki

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9
    Online news site VICE News obtained data on both fatal and non-fatal shootings from the country’s 50 largest local police departments, finding that for every person shot and killed between 2010 and 2016, officers shot at two more people who survived. Extrapolating from that, the actual number of civilians shot by the police each year is likely to be upwards of 3,000.

    There is the culture of killing in America. American police is not trained to de-escalate and use non-lethal means. Only in America there is the suicide by police because America police will always oblige you if you provoke them. Shooting to kill usually the only thing they know. The killers almost never are punished. Only about 0.3% are prosecuted and convicted. There are tens of thousands of people injured by police every year. Most American are oblivious or do not find anything wrong with it as the trials that usually end in acquittals show:

    Here is the case of policeman who was prosecuted but acquitted by Texan jury.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

    The creation of the BLM was the greatest mistake as it concentrated on black lives only to the exclusions of whites and Hispanics and Native Americans. I would not be surprised if whoever advised the BLM people knew exactly what he was doing. By racial polarization the brutality of American police will not be solved. BLM was created to amplify the racial polarization. Ron Unz’s columnists like John Derbyshire or Steve Sailer and few others work on the racial polarization almost full time.

    In the US there is still no national database of shootings and killings and maimings. Police departments, cities, counties and states refuse to cooperate and sabotage all attempt to change anything. Since the creation of the BLM five or so years ago nothing has changed.

  6. @utu

    And of those killed how many were armed?

    How many were actively resisting arrest?

    How many were stoned out of their gourds on strong drugs or alcohol?

    How many had a very violent criminal past?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @FB
  7. It’s really not clear that policeman Derek Chauvin ‘murdered’ George Floyd

    As shown in photo below, knee on neck is standard police restraint tactic in numerous countries

    Autopsy showed death was not from neck injury, choking etc but from bad heart condition apparently complicated by illegal drugs

    It gets more bizarre – the cop and alleged victim were co-worker bouncers at the same latino nightclub … Floyd was literally an actor, headlining as ‘Big Floyd’ in adult video you can wach online … arrested cop mug shot does not look like guy in video re hairline ears etc

  8. utu says:
    @ThreeCranes

    You are an idiot.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  9. Here’s Anglin on the topic:

    “I’m not suggesting you can suppress your visceral disgust at these actions, but do remember: blacks are basically a force of nature that can be unleashed, and the people that unleash it are the ones you should be mad at. If someone released a bunch of tigers onto the streets and they were rushing through and tearing people apart, you wouldn’t blame the tigers, you’d blame the people who unleashed them on you.”

  10. Linh Dinh: “This, when many commentators thought the deep state would sabotage Trump’s candidacy or even murder him, but no one becomes a US president without the approval of the deep state. ”

    A guy elected over the near-unanimous opposition of the media, the education establishment, and government somehow got the endorsement of the “deep state”? LOL. I guess Hillary and Obama cleverly positioned themselves as token opposition.

    This is Looney Tunes stuff.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @bluedog
  11. @utu

    In other words, you have no answers to more probing questions. Figures.

    Why would those factors be extraneous? They would seem to matter a lot.

    C’mon, utu, take it to the next level. You can do this if you would only learn to believe in yourself!

    (As Socrates said, trying to get other people to reason clearly–or to reason at all–is to be a midwife. There is no nobler calling.)

  12. Dear Linh Dinh,
    This information about U.S. police undergoing training in Israel is new to me. Have you written about this before? Which U.S. city police departments have sent police (thousands of them, you say) for training in Israel, and who is paying for these junkets? Are there any videos of police kneeling on people’s faces?

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  13. @brabantian

    George Floyd is a porn actor from xvideos, like you find out, but so what? That does not prove that his death is fake. The ‘compare’ photo above here does not prove that police is fake, at least to me.

    Now about the quote:

    Autopsy showed death was not from neck injury, choking etc but from bad heart condition apparently complicated by illegal drugs

    Really? I don’t think so:

    I just read the report and comment section from the winter watch here:

    https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/05/glaring-anomalies-obvious-agendas-in-the-case-of-george-floyd/

    The part “the police has no badge” is completely bullshit to me if Russ Winter truly watch the video carefully.

    By the way, some commenter in Winter Watch claim that Ron Unz banned any comment that mention Freemason, is that true? Do you guys have any proof to prove this is true like a picture or video record?

    To be honest, I may agree with you about the Julian Assange and Edward Snowden is fake this time you and your friend Russ Winter is wrong about George Floyd. No wonder why Ron Unz bans the hoaxer like you and your friends (You guys are also running the bullshit “COVID-19 is fake”).

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  14. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s wait.

    Some reports say Floyd had fentanyl in system.
    Some reports say Floyd and Chauvin may have known each other.
    Both worked security at the same nightclub.
    Some reports say Chauvin’s neighbors didn’t know he was police. Never saw him in uniform.

    Actual cause of death still to be determined.

    Rioters mainly Soros goons or similar.

    Deep state still after Trump: RussiaGates, impeachment, virus hysteria/economy, riots.

    To no purpose.
    Trump in November: 68% minimum. Others: No one cares.

  15. Polemos says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Donald Trump is playing the same character he played when he was Donald Trump in the Battle of the Billionaires, Wrestlemania 23.

    You might not be aware of it, but you are living within a reality show currently. In such a show, characters arise whose purpose is to shape and focus the hatred, fear, animosity, frustration, and willpower of players and non-playing characters. You have read 1984, right? Emmanuel Goldstein—the ostensible leader of the Brotherhood—is a creation of the ruling Inner Party, who also creates Big Brother, the man who sits atop the oligarchic hierarchy. Big Brother, omnipresent and always watching, always listening, is a god amongst us; he is our emmanuel, so long as we stay within the Party.

    God Emperor Donald Trump serves the same function for focusing and sustaining hatred and fear and feelings of righteous superiority (how many people who loathe Trump act or speak or behave with great humility and deference to others?) for those on the progressive side as much as Barack Obama served that function for those on the conservative side. If someone feels snide and superior to a person they regard as an idiot, how likely is that person going to work through those feelings and thoughts in a critical, reflective way and come to a deeper truth? Pretending to be an idiot or aloof is a great way for sussing out a person’s character, as well as trolling people and keeping them emotionally and intellectually occupied. It’s like how Columbo flushes out the criminal by using their own egos against them. Trump, irritating and obnoxious, arrogant and nihilist, has been a great boon in keeping an entire swath of people who ought to know better locked in, focused, and with blinders on. Not a single candidate who attempted to run against Trump made their case on Peace and an End to War, and because the opposition cultivated hatred and animosity in their own hearts, there won’t be any Peace or Anti-War candidates. (I don’t count Sanders, because he doesn’t even count himself at this point, does he?)

    For the benefit of the religion of The Party, it is important that the people are constantly toyed with and thrown from one position to another, and it is important to have great actors fulfill their roles. One moment, one group of people is against wearing anonymizing masks in public, formerly illegal in some states, but in the next they are absolutely against going without masks in any public space. But another group of people are one moment completely against going outside and massing in solidarity or community with others because it will kill people, but in the next they are absolutely going to go outside and mass in solidarity with others because people are being killed. Some folks think we must be locked down to save the old ones from probable doom, but now they tell us curfews will not work to save the young ones from probable hooliganism. In just half a year.

    But they will never be flipped to Peace. They will never be flipped to being Anti-War.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  16. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Hi Mark Spahn,

    I haven’t written about this before.

    Coincidentally, Paul Craig Roberts also pointed this out at Unz, on the very same day I raised the issue.

    Roberts, “Another cause of police brutality is the training many American police forces have received from Israelis. In Israel, police are used to suppress Palestinians in occupied territories and in Gaza. It is well known that the Israeli government has little regard for the lives of Palestinians. Israeli police training stresses the importance of the life of the officer. This attitude has now been transferred to American police. We see it continually in their exaggerated response to anything that can be interpreted or misinterpreted as a threat to them. Many murders committed by police can be attributed directly to this attitude that has been ingrained by their training.”

    And here’s an article from 2018, “Why We Should Be Alarmed That Israeli Forces and U.S. Police Are Training Together.”

    And a report from Amnesty International, “With Whom are Many U.S. Police Departments Training? With a Chronic Human Rights Violator – Israel.”

    It reveals, “Many of these trips are taxpayer funded while others are privately funded. Since 2002, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have paid for police chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains to train in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).”

    Linh

    • Replies: @Franz
  17. lloyd says: • Website
    @ThreeCranes

    That would only make sense if American population was divided into cantons each with about 100,000 population. A truer statistic would be to racially measure the number of American killed by cops in particular situations. For example, well, actually firing a gun at a cop. I have a memory that those statistics hidden from the public discourse demonstrate that per capita more whites are killed than blacks. The cops fear crowd riots and civil rights federal laws. No lobby cares about a bad whitey going under a hail of police bullets. The George Floyd case is a world wide populist rebellion against the Covid- 19 lock down that uses race as a cover. At least with the non black population. Trump and even cops appear to be supporting it but not the riots and arsons. Did George Floyd initially resist arrest? Was he even initially going to be arrested? Handling a counterfeit bill is not a crime I would have thought unless knowingly. Was this standard police practise in controlling resisting arrest that because of crowd distraction led to his death? If he had been white, there would not likely have been crowd distraction.

  18. Thank you for this excellent and balanced overview. American police kill several Americans each day and kill more whites because they represent a larger population group. But compared to other developed nations, far too many Americans are killed. What happened to rubber bullets, tasers, and bean bags?

    Thank you for noting that former President Obama is no saint. He and Hillary Clinton, destroyed Africa’s most prosperous state of Libya as dictated by the NeoCon plan to destroy Arab nations who oppose plans for Greater Israel.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  19. @brabantian

    Several years ago the LAPD brutally murdered a far more famous POC porn star than George Floyd. Sledge Hammer was repeatedly prodded with tasers until he went into cardiac arrest and a coma from which he never recovered. He was also high on weed. But there were no cameras around, nobody made a fuss, and the porn community just had a quiet funeral.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sledge-hammer-tasered-_n_1429287

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
  20. Adûnâi says:
    @Polemos

    > “Pretending to be an idiot or aloof is a great way for sussing out a person’s character, as well as trolling people and keeping them emotionally and intellectually occupied.”

    An interesting view, however, I doubt that such complicated conspiracies may work in such a chaotic mess of a world.

    > “But they will never be flipped to Peace. They will never be flipped to being Anti-War.”

    What war are you speaking of? External or internal? Either way, an open total nuclear war will ruin Christianity, will doom capitalism, and is the only chance for the Aryan race to free itself.

    Americans whine about how Vietnam was costly, FFS. Or Iraq. America will disintegrate a month into the first nuclear strike.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  21. Patricus says:

    America is a shithole in terminal decline? How come so many come here from other superior countries? Many manage to flourish in this land of misery. Anyone can have a good life with just basic and minimal efforts. One does have to contribute something worthwhile in this country. No free lunch. Living here all my life I just haven’t witnessed the financial oppression of the 99% so many write about. The poorest people have air conditioning, autos, internet and big screen TVs–and many are fat. Some people are thirsty in the rain and would be miserable in heaven. The US standard of living is far better than what my American ancestors knew, and they too were a lot better off than most of the world in their times.

    If I could choose a place to be born it would be America. No disrespect intended to brilliant Asians, Africans, Indians and Russians. We eagerly await their positive contributions to the world which are long overdue.

  22. mcohen says:

    Arbery the jogger and floyd the football player were a one two punch brought on by white guys with guns.In the chaos that’s follows scores are being settled and the one’s that will pay are the small businesses already struggling with lockdown.Nike and Apple will recover but not small businesses owned by minorities.They are gone ,sucked dry by the corporate vampires
    Remember it is the day after that counts not the days gone by

  23. I disagree with the slot machine analogy. This should give rise to a mild punchline joke:

    Q: In America what’s the difference between a voting machine and a slot machine?

    A: With the voting machine you always get three lemons while with the slot machine
    you actually stand a chance to win something.

    Buh dum bump.

    Cheers-

  24. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    -As we can clearly see in the film, Floyd was murdered, for an officer knelt on his neck as he was lying face down on the ground, handcuffed. He posed no threats to the cops.

    The only video has a significant gap between when he was ordered to sit down against the wall, which he complied peacefully, and when he was down on the ground face down next to a police car, held down by 3 officers. What happened in between? According to the police, he was resisting arrest.

    We need to hear the police testimonies before drawing any conclusion that this was a “clear cut murder”. IMO at best this was manslaughter. There is no intent to kill, the officer was thoughtless and careless, but it could be adrenaline. The video has been doctored.

    -As long as there are blacks in the US, there will be black activism and protests, because blacks will always feel aggrieved.

    Let me fix that for you: -As long as there are Jews in the US, there will be black activism and protests, because blacks will always be told they should be aggrieved.

    As they said about the cultural revolution, “Behind every angry black there is a Jew.”

    • Replies: @utu
  25. G. Poulin says:
    @Commentator Mike

    There’s a porn “community”? Wonder what their block parties are like.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  26. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    “Military Banking Complex” — brilliant and hit the nail on the head, especially this part:

    Though they talk endlessly about serving Main Street, American politicos are only loyal to Wall Street and Israel, but the American media, which are dominated by Jews, will never expose this. They’re in cahoots to serve Jewish interests.

    Spot on. That is all of America’s problem in a nutshell.

    As for American “intellectuals,” they know what topics to stay clear of if they don’t want to be demonized, ostracized and hounded out of a job. Like American newscasters, American “intellectuals” are also habitual liars. In such a climate, no truth can surface.

    That’s because the vast majority of America’s “intellectuals” are again Jewish. Jews are habitual liars, but they convince themselves that everything they say and do is justified, because of the pogroms, the holocaust, yada yada, and they try to convince the blacks and the rest of the gullible non-blacks in the country that everything blacks do is justified because of slavery, colonialism, “institutional, systemic” racism just like what the Jews suffered for two thousand years.

    It is no coincidence that wherever the Jews washed up in large numbers, the country eventually gets torn apart from within. Driving division is what these people are good at, divide and conquer. America is no longer a Christian protestant nation, it is now a Jew nation, has been for at least the past 5 decades, maybe longer. Henry Ford tried to warn us in 1920, the WASP elites were too stupid, gullible or self-interested to listen. As soon as the Jews took over Harvard, it was all over.

    • Agree: Franz
  27. Anon01 says:
    @RudyM

    I do. And if you don’t like his essays, don’t fucking read them.

  28. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    With their stranglehold on the US through control of Wall Street, Hollywood, DC, Silicon Valley, media, academia and the judiciary, Jews have completely succeeded in destroying Christianity in the West. Without religion to bind us, whites in the US now align themselves through political ideology, and the left/right split is largely determined by geography and social class.

    Btwn WWII and 2000, Europe was in harmony through ethnic, cultural and linguistic affinity. Then EU happened, Jews again took control of Europe and forced in the multicultural horde to dilute their ethnic identity. Now Western Europe is also split along political ideology, with the left dominating thanks to entrenched socialism, plus Jew controlled media, academia and pop culture influence from the US.

  29. @G. Poulin

    Sure, mostly centered in San Fernando Valley. And they record some of their parties and put them out on video, CD, Internet.

  30. Really good interview Linh. Complements to your interviewer too.

  31. Polemos: “You might not be aware of it, but you are living within a reality show currently.”

    So it seems to you. Similarly, Chang Tzu couldn’t decide whether he was a man dreaming of being of butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming of being a man.

    In a recent exchange I had with another commenter on this forum, Bardon Kaldian, we were able to agree on at least one thing, that one cannot prove a worldview. The converse would also seem to follow, that one cannot disprove one either. These points are of particular relevance on a site like this one, which is largely dedicated to conspiracy theories. Now comes Polemos to advance the (to me) ridiculous proposition that the world, or at least the USA, is run like a TV show by an invisible cabal of nameless people he calls, after Orwell, the Inner Party. Trump, he says, is only an actor playing a part, and American politics as fixed as a professional wrestling match. Evidence? Who needs it when you’ve got the Inner Party to blame the state of the world on. It’s not you, it’s not me, it’s that man behind the tree! Very convenient, and actually impossible to disprove, as well. Of course, it would be just as impossible to disprove that US politics is being controlled and run by aliens from the planet Zontar. Maybe it is. Who can say? People believe all kinds of crazy shit. It makes them happy, and that’s what appears to be the most important thing.

    Just after the exchange w/Kaldian, another commenter tried to convince me that neither he nor I are really our bodies, but instead are immaterial “souls” trapped inside our bodies. This recalls the Stoic Epictetus’ remark that he saw himself as a little soul carrying about a corpse. Now that is really an extraordinary claim, when you think about it. I mean, if you are not your body, then who the fuck are you? And what are you doing carrying around that corpse?! Of course, most of you probably see yourselves in this way too, as the delusion is widespread, primarily because of the Christian influence on our culture. Some people even take it very seriously. Extreme cases become pathological:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

    My own view, however, is that we really are our bodies, just as it appears. And not only that, I also believe (crazy, I know) that no one is responsible for my behavior except me, and that no one is responsible for your behavior but you. I don’t accept that either you or the public at large are being manipulated like puppets by unseen forces, whether they’re called an Inner Party or aliens from the planet Zontar. More, I think Trump isn’t an actor, and he really wanted to be president, just as did that repulsive tribade Hillary Clinton. Despite ferocious opposition from mass media, the educational establishment, and the government (all of which are supposedly controlled by Jews, according to people like LD), Trump was able to eke out a victory, even while losing the popular vote.

    Sometimes, Polemos, a cigar is just a cigar.

    • Agree: commandor, Adûnâi
    • Replies: @commandor
    , @utu
    , @Adûnâi
    , @Polemos
  32. utu says:
    @Anon

    “when he was ordered to sit down against ” – I saw four clips

    (1) arrest by his car, sitting on the sidewalk, being walked by police car #830 (on 39th Street)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE

    sitting on sidewalk (on 39th Street)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyUtGpSe_hQ

    (2) being walked across the 39th Street and on Chicago Ave sidewalk

    Look at the very end of the video 5:07 in upper left corner
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE

    (3) already in the police car #320, door open and signs of struggle (on Chicago Ave)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEeMHFik9Xo

    (4) on the ground by the police car #320 (on Chicago Ave)
    _________________

    Here is NYT compilation of all videos
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8

  33. Dumbo says:

    By the way, former Mrs. Chauvin (now back to Ms. Xiong), who divorced him like 2 seconds after the incident (lol, women… but hey thanks for the support, bitch) is a refugee, a Hmong from Laos.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/02/us/kellie-chauvin-divorce-derek-chauvin-trnd/index.html

    I don’t think it was murder, nor that he was racist; at most, it was accidental manslaughter of an uncooperative criminal. (Well, actually, I don’t think the whole thing is true at all, likely staged, but it doesn’t matter).

  34. commandor says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Not that I have a stake in this, I couldn’t care less about a president of the JewSA, but Trump seems to me judaised to the core. His presidential team is full of Jews and he has a long history of being surrounded by the Chosenites – it’s all on wikipedia. But then again, all JewSA presidents since the gods know when have been riding that Jew cock and really all these wealthy Christians all over the world are all the same and have Jewish connections.

    As for the average white slave, you are right. The public at large constitutes of goyim who willfully engage in the dialectic.

  35. commandor: “… Trump seems to me judaised to the core. ”

    You’re right, he is. But then, so are most Americans. That’s just what you’d expect from a nation in which Christianity has had such tremendous influence on the culture. If you worship a rabbi as God, such developments are to be expected.

    I’m no fan of Trump and tried before the election, on various forums, to tell people what a fraud he is, and that he was just using them. But at that time just about everyone was getting on board the Trump train, even the so-called hard-core anti-semites. Kevin MacDonald? Vote for Trump! Andrew Anglin? God Emperor Trump! LOL.

    As I’ve said elsewhere, this is the collective mind at work. Just as termites construct a mound in which to live, human beings construct a conceptual space, a social epistemology. This construction is stigmergic. What follows depends both on what’s possible, and on what has gone before. Within those parameters the collective mind makes its best guess as to how to proceed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmergy

    • Agree: commandor
  36. utu says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    “And not only that, I also believe (crazy, I know) that no one is responsible for my behavior except me, and that no one is responsible for your behavior but you.” – This is only possible if you also believe in dualism. If you are materialist there is no room for free will and no room for consciousness which is just an epiphenomenon. So the ‘I’ or the ‘You’ that wrote the words in your comment is not a part of the same realm as your body. Your statement “we really are our bodies, just as it appears” is false. Our bodies are as they appear but “We” are not our bodies. This is the dead end point of materialism. The only way out of it is dualism which implies there is a ‘soul’ that has its own agency that can’t belong to the same material realm where the cause and effect rule of physics apply.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  37. bluedog says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Strange I thought all Americans were Americans but now I find that some are more American then others,I wonder which of these Americans killed off the Native Americans.which Americans slaughter hundreds of thousands in the Philippines,which Americans slaughter millions in Asia,which Americans killed millions in the Mid-East and ain’t finished yet,now if we could find just what Americans did that or are they just more American then the others.For you see the race card is an old old card thrown in the discards long ago ,but some try to sneak it out as if it had a life of its own to try to divide and conquer……..

  38. bluedog says:
    @brabantian

    Strange are you a doctor by any chance, for the doctors state that he died from neck and back suppression,or do you think this dog has a few more miles in it…..

  39. bluedog says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Yep and your the looney tune,think back to what they did to JFK,Robert,king and a host of others and then say oh blow hard Trump got there by his wit,sorry that dog won’t hunt for he was the one they had picked for office, try another,,,,,,,

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  40. @utu

    ‘American police kills civilian at from 7 to 60 higher rate than European police.

    US -28 per 10 mil
    France 3.8
    Norway – 1.9
    Germany – 1.3
    UK – 0.5
    Japan – 0.2′

    Nu? Don’t we have from 7 to 60 times as high a proportion of blacks in our population?

    You set me to policing Japanese and I won’t have to kill very many either.

  41. Adûnâi says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “Now comes Polemos to advance the (to me) ridiculous proposition that the world, or at least the USA, is run like a TV show by an invisible cabal of nameless people he calls, after Orwell, the Inner Party. Trump, he says, is only an actor playing a part, and American politics as fixed as a professional wrestling match.”

    Why would people still believe such nonsense after the start of the new round of race riots in May 2020, in such a crucial time for the capitalist-Christian System? Doesn’t that almightly élite know their only defeat may lie at the tip of the spear, and thus making people draw such spears would be unwise? Where is the boiling frog metaphor when you need it?

    It is as insane as with poor Bill Gates who wanted to save non-White children, but when it came to the matter, he was blamed for sterilizing the Hindus! The mastermind must have spilled the beans of his evil plan to reduce the human population with that widely publicized virus event in 2019.

    > “People believe all kinds of crazy shit. It makes them happy, and that’s what appears to be the most important thing.”

    They want you not to think. Thinking is half the victory. As a Little Russian saying goes, “a poor man enriches himself with a thought” (дурень думкою багатіє) (it’s indeed not in Great Russian, it is legitimately Ukrainian).

    Still, other people do not think at all. Is that preferable? Some even say nothing can be done, and thus thinking is painful, unnecessary, useful exclusively for those who can make use of it. I don’t know which worldview is worse… We who talk without power do seem like cucks by choice.

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  42. Adûnâi says:
    @bluedog

    > “Yep and your the looney tune,think back to what they did to JFK,Robert,king and a host of others…”

    1. JFK fought for the end of racial segregation in America – if the freemason élite kills White traitors, where do I enlist?

    2. JFK prevented a nuclear war – the sure way for the capitalist-Christian System to face collapse, and for the Aryan race to be reborn. Why would they kill such a useful idiot?

    3. Was that Negro aping Martin Luther a martyr to evil Jews as well? Damn, those kikes are our friends after all.

  43. Adûnâi says:
    @utu

    > “Our bodies are as they appear but “We” are not our bodies. This is the dead end point of materialism.”

    Does materialism reject the existence of a parliament? After all, the parliament is not a collection of chairs, and not a gathering of people. It exclusively exists in our animal imagination as a concept. The word controls our activity, if you will.

    • Replies: @utu
  44. utu: “If you are materialist there is no room for free will and no room for consciousness which is just an epiphenomenon.”

    There is no free will, true. But there is the illusion of free will, and human societies are based on that illusion. Since a group of individuals, working together, will almost always be able to defeat an individual working alone, human societies are a development to be reasonably expected; and further to be expected is that evolution would shape our brains to generate the illusions (the existence of God, the “soul”, absolute standards of morality, etc.) that support the development of society.

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  45. utu says:
    @Adûnâi

    Whatever you trying to argue is dumb. If want to use more apt analogy try John Searle’s Chinese room.

  46. Franz says:
    @Linh Dinh

    “Many of these trips are taxpayer funded while others are privately funded. Since 2002, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have paid for police chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains to train in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).”

    Now we know why Bobby Kennedy, as Attorney General, wanted a certain Jewish group to register as a Foreign Agent.

    This sort of thing should be illegal. It’s certainly treason.

  47. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I am a voluntarist (for the hopiums) and here is my two cents.

    The free-will question is mainly relevant because it relates to responsibility. If we are not responsible for our behaviour then we are innocent. However, this question is moot in practice: If the murderer is not responsible for the murder then his executioners are likewise not responsible for hanging him or even torturing him to death. The latter half of the equation is ignored by determinists because it makes an enquiry into the free-will issue futile for human choice, morality and behaviour, which is really the only fascination the debate holds for anybody, except for the theoretical issue as to where the determinists exactly make their mistake. In fact, it disproves it for we know very well that holding that we are determined seemingly absolves us from responsibility because “the Devil made us do it”, is simply substituting “Devil” with “Determination”, which begs the question, “Whose determination?”: Mine or others’?

    Should us arm-chair theorists not perhaps descend from the giddy heights and light a candle from a profession that deals with this very issue every day in practice – the law?

    Moral Judgement (praise or blame) for an event depends on responsibility plus norms (moral rules)
    Responsibility is causal (physical) and mental (choice).
    Causal responsibility is when billiard ball A knocks billiard ball B eventually into a pocket (C). Both A and B are causally responsible for event C. If you want to blame them you must blame both A and B. Determinists blame only A, who blames A’s antecedents in an infinite regress vanishing causal responsibility from the universe – the “Adam, nay Eve, nay Snake/Devil” blame game.
    Mental responsibility is when a normal mind (conscious, unimpaired) causes its body, over which it has normal control (unspasmatic, etc.), to strike ball A intending event C.
    If event C happens he is responsible for it, and can be legally punished if the criterion for judgement is a legal rule; if unsuccessful, he is responsible for the attempt, as in attempted murder.
    If event C happens without his intending/mentally determining it, he is responsible of negligence (if he should have foreseen it) or innocent (if he need not or could not foresee it). Thus, culpable homicide (if mental negligence in causing) or innocent, if he could not reasonably have foreseen it.

    So, what does this bit of legalism tell us? Both causal (physical) and mental responsibility hold responsible/blame all the links in the chain for the event, and not just their antecedents – as in the “The devil made me do it” excuse.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and many a determinist will be most annoyed when he lands in a serious legal confrontation and loses his case because the judge ruled that the Devil determined his opponents bahaviour, absolving him, but did not determine the behaviour of the determinist. Or, alternatively, the judge giving absolution from the instance (refuse to rule) because the Devil determined both of them – both (judge and Devil) handing each of them a trident to settle the matter.

    Quoting Chomsky, “That’s got to tell you something”, though I prefer my late mother’s more eloquent, “Telling me horseshit is truffles.”

  48. @Adûnâi

    I don’t think you and Dr. Robert Morgan are are being fair to Linh. He does not claim that “US politics is being controlled and run by aliens from the planet Zontar”, or any ridiculous thing like that. And is the “People believe all kinds of crazy shit” not just the same old canard to demonize any conspiracy fact from exposure of which there are many examples in history?

    Most likely Linh regards the deep state as consisting of that dark hole comprising some very tangible common facts in society, such as the concrete Pentagon, NSA, intelligence agencies, Council on Foreign Relations, wealthy oligarchs, think tanks, etc, These employ thousands of people and none of these or their networking are transparent. In fact there are laws that make it a crime for us to know what is happening right now inside some of them, information to be released only after many of us are dead. I don’t see that as so hard to understand. In fact I find your straw man attacks on Linh’s view of the existence of extra-governmental players, who sometimes have extraordinary influence on government, rather surprising, since such existence and influence really is becoming common knowledge. Correction, it’s not “becoming” nor “common”:

    “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.” Benjamin Disraeli, twice UK prime minister, a century and a half ago.

    Another crazy crack-pot tinfoil conspiracist?

  49. Dumb4asterisks: “Most likely Linh regards the deep state as consisting of …”

    I don’t have any idea what he regards the deep state as consisting of, and neither do you. We are forced to speculate because he doesn’t say.

    One of the many problems I have with this sort of thinking is that crucial details of the alleged conspiracy are most often curiously lacking, as here. Exactly who is in on the conspiracy, and who isn’t? Let’s see the cancelled checks. The old newspaperman’s adage of “Who? What? When? Where? Why?” applies. If those questions are answered then, at least, we are dealing with questions of fact, checkable things that are either true or false.

    Blaming everything that happens you don’t like on some nebulous conspiracy the exact workings of which you can’t explain is intellectually lazy, and all too often an excuse to cover up one’s own complicity.

    Dumb4asterisks: “In fact I find your straw man attacks on Linh’s view of the existence of extra-governmental players, who sometimes have extraordinary influence on government, rather surprising, since such existence and influence really is becoming common knowledge.”

    People who don’t want to admit their own complicity, or are too stupid to understand how their own actions generated the problem they are complaining about will inevitably come up with a fall guy. A dark conspiracy, the workings of which must remain obscure, fills the bill perfectly.

    Dumb4asterisks: “The free-will question is mainly relevant because it relates to responsibility.”

    Causality and responsibility are separate issues. I think you’re conflating the two, plus throwing in a third variable, “justice”, which only complicates the issue without adding anything. The murderer murders because of a causal chain, and his executioners kill him for reasons likewise deterministic. Whether this is considered just or unjust depends on your point of view. The murderer may think it very unjust, while society exonerates his executioners. So what? This example doesn’t say anything about the existence of free will, or justice in an absolute sense. Neither are required, and that both are illusions is perfectly accounted for by evolution shaping our brains to regard such illusions as real things, just as I said above. In the final analysis, humans will believe whatever best helps them survive. Whether the beliefs are true or false, just or unjust, reflect an objective reality or are only illusion, makes no difference.

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
    , @anonymous
  50. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Thanks for your reply.

    I am reminded of a historical anecdote that I vaguely remember, of two enemy ships encountering each other in a channel. The one signaled: “Prepare to fight!”, to which the other responded, “We have no ammunition”. “Then we will fight another day”, replied the first, and sailed on. Those were the days.

    We will fight another day (fetching ammunition).

  51. Polemos says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    First you say

    And not only that, I also believe (crazy, I know) that no one is responsible for my behavior except me, and that no one is responsible for your behavior but you. I don’t accept that either you or the public at large are being manipulated like puppets by unseen forces, whether they’re called an Inner Party or aliens from the planet Zontar.

    But then you say

    As I’ve said elsewhere, this is the collective mind at work. Just as termites construct a mound in which to live, human beings construct a conceptual space, a social epistemology. This construction is stigmergic.

    To what extent does the collective mind govern, control, shape, influence you amd your actions and your thoughts? Or, when you wrote ‘is responsible’ in the first quote, did you mean in a moral or legal sense and weren’t speaking of something such as causality, intentionality, or ownership of action? Where does this collective mind exist, and how does it relate to the individuals it comprises?

    Do you think of your own ego as a singular subject, or is it itself many different drives, delusions, words, desires, intentions—a collective?

    You write you don’t believe “the public at large” is manipulated by unseen forces, but this soon after writing that there are certain expectations we can make about what people believe on the basis of ideologies and institutions pervasive throughout the culture, such as Christianity. Is the point, then, that you only accept the shaping and deluding of people so long as its done by institutions we see?

    If you do believe in such a thing as a collective mind, then you are actually making the same point about the role a god plays for a community’s self-organization: Orwell’s Big Brother occupies the same role that Hobbes’ mortal god, the sovereign personated, occupies in his Leviathan. Both make tangible those structures of power described through argument, in Hobbes’ case, and through narrative, in Orwell’s. You use the singular yourself: collective mind. Why only one? Why think of individuals when collected together as operating through the single entity? Is it just a matter of having a convenient way of writing about something we cannot see or cannot touch?

    Being aware of the illusion of your own consciousness, how can you say that you are responsible for your actions if you aren’t really at all there? If the agent choosing to respond to me comes to its own illusions about choice and responsibility through evolution selecting a social space constructed by organically sustained electromagnetic waveforms inducing similar waveforms in others through language and behaviors, then aren’t you arguing that this agent is the product of an entire universe’s unseen forces deluding it into a virtual life?

    I mean, given that the entire universe is entangled, every spacetime position within it requires the entirety of the rest of the universe: your argument dismissing my ridiculous claims of more proximal causes requires you to posit that the entire universe causes you to believe the things you do. I don’t find that idea ridiculous, but I wonder if that’s what you actually do see as important to your dismissal of what you took to be my point. I mean, I’m ridiculous, so you write, because maybe I’m saying there’s a conspiracy of “forces” or “persons”—not an institution like Christianity, which you argue leads many in the public at large to beliefs you find delusion—but you’re the rational and unridiculous one, because maybe you’re saying there’s no conspiracy at all but the universe tricking itself to believe its a virtual person arguing with another virtual person, both of which are materially generated by their bodies, some of which have been known to create an alternative illusion of being dead or nonexisting people.

    Did I miss something or misunderstand the various things you’ve advanced?

    As for me, I also accept what Zhuangzi had to say about relying upon words to convince another of a viewpoint, and yet, like you, I still choose to write and engage.

    On a different note, have you ever looked into what SRI was doing with remote viewing?

  52. Polemos says:
    @Adûnâi

    Why would a complicated conspiracy not work in a chaotic mess of a world? Do you consider the Manhattan Project to have been a success? Did it occur in a chaotic mess of a world?

    Have you ever read anything by Peter Dale Scott, or heard of his writings?

    As for which war, I mean both any of them and all of them. My point is that there is no candidate (for the Presidency) who is clearly and unambiguously opposed to war. While Trump claimed to have been that candidate when he ran the first time, that claim was quickly dropped. I am one of those sorts of people who holds that the “external” war and the “internal” war are the same thing: a nation goes to war on its own people when it intends to go to war on another group of people. Have you ever read Barefoot Gen?

  53. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    American police kills civilian at from 7 to 60 higher rate than European police.

    US -28 per 10 mil
    France 3.8
    Norway – 1.9
    Germany – 1.3
    UK – 0.5
    Japan – 0.2

    You cannot compare US police death data to other countries’, because no other country has as many gun owners as the US. In practically all civilized countries, gun ownership is extremely low. Policing is much more dangerous in the US than in any other country. This data is worthless unless you also show gun ownership per capita in each country.

  54. Polemos: “You write you don’t believe “the public at large” is manipulated by unseen forces …”

    What I actually wrote was “manipulated like puppets“. Puppets have no will of their own. People do. They can show their approval of a course of action in many ways. For example, when Eisenhower used military force to integrate the schools in Arkansas, white people didn’t protest. Not only did they not rebel, in fact, they even re-elected him. There was no referendum, and didn’t need to be. Their tacit cooperation was all that was required to show they approved. I see this as an example of the working of the collective mind. Given a choice between racial life and racial death, they took another step in the direction of racial death. Their culture of Christianity no doubt had a lot to do with this. The current unrest and rioting over the fate of poor martyred St. George is resulting in yet another such step.

    This is a doubly useful example because some people see conspiracy in Eisenhower’s action (i.e., attribute it to Jewish activity), and others (e.g. Revilo Oliver, Nietzsche) see conspiracy in the origins of Christianity itself. I differ in that in both cases I see white people voluntarily cooperating and fitting themselves into both social movements, just as large numbers of them are attending protests and voluntarily prostrating themselves before negroes as I write this.

    Polemos: “I don’t find that idea ridiculous, but I wonder if that’s what you actually do see as important to your dismissal of what you took to be my point. ”

    What was your point? That there is a conspiracy of some sort by some unnamed people to manipulate other people? That could be, but you need to prove it, not just allege it. Everyone is competing with everyone else, and it’s to be expected that some of them cooperate to advance mutual objectives. But how people react to that is up to them. And I’m also saying you need to distinguish influence from control. For example, Jews in the institutions of the West have influence, but not control. If the Jews control the media, and the media truly controlled public opinion, Trump would have lost.

    You also need to flesh out your idea of an Inner Party. What are the specifics? Who’s in it, and who’s not? Otherwise, it’s just imaginary, like aliens on the planet Zontar. It’s only a joke or a lame excuse.

    Polemos: “Being aware of the illusion of your own consciousness, how can you say that you are responsible for your actions if you aren’t really at all there?”

    Certainly I’m here. I’m my body, and my body is here. My consciousness is nothing but the activity of my brain. To the extent it subjectively appears as something else, that is illusion. As a dualist, if that’s what you are, you are the one who considers himself an immaterial spirit; the ghost in the machine. You are the one who claims he’s not really what he appears to be. And can you explain why you are carrying around that corpse?! Somehow, I doubt it.

    Polemos: “Where does this collective mind exist, and how does it relate to the individuals it comprises?”

    The term can be used in several senses depending on context. In some respects, “collective mind” is synonymous with spontaneous order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_order

    The relevant point is that not all order results from attacks on people by a conspiracy. In my view, broad social movements develop spontaneously by individuals making decisions and taking actions on their own: actions such as Trump running for president, or people voting for him. Individuals in such social movements may not necessarily know each other, or even live in the same era. For example, white people today are still being socially influenced by lies of religion originally told two thousand years ago. In this way, the “collective mind” transcends time. It’s both nowhere and everywhere.

    • Agree: commandor
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  55. Puppets have no will of their own. People do.

    What is the difference between puppets and people without own free wills?

  56. Adûnâi says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “My consciousness is nothing but the activity of my brain.”

    But do you share Chechar’s view that biological psychiatry is a pseudoscience? The activity of the brain is a separate entity from the brain, an abstraction, information, guided by its own rules, only vaguely influenced by the material brain (sleep, death, drugs, etc.). A computer program cannot even be described as “the activity of a hard drive” – what is written in it changes the end result dramatically.

    If we go deeper, what even is the brain? The end result of the genetic information encoded in the genes. It is not the genes that struggle for survival – it’s the information. Is information considered material? This isn’t even a possibly independent meme like with Jesus – here, it’s a building block of life.

  57. Adûnâi: “But do you share Chechar’s view that biological psychiatry is a pseudoscience?”

    No. That’s a point on which he and I differ. Psychiatry is a scam because it has no adequate definition “mental health”, not because of its materialistic view of human consciousness.

    Adûnâi: “The activity of the brain is a separate entity from the brain …”

    I don’t see it that way. To think so is what philosopher Gilbert Ryle would have called a category mistake.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

    It’s like saying the university is a separate entity from the library, the students, the faculty, and the classrooms, considered together.

    Ideas aren’t “entities” at all. For example, my idea or apperception of myself (i.e., what most call the “soul”) isn’t an entity. It’s just activity of my brain, and it has no existence apart from my brain.

    • Replies: @C.T.
  58. Dumb4asterisks: “What is the difference between puppets and people without own free wills?”

    The universe may be a deterministic place, and the future already scripted, but we don’t yet know what it is. In such circumstances, the illusion of free will can itself be powerful, even though wrong. In an earlier comment, I referred to the example of Helvidius Priscus. Now there was a man with free will, if ever there was any such thing!

    https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/fincel-rebellion-some-career-advice-for-young-men/#comment-3569682

    No puppet he. Nor was Socrates.

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  59. anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    The murderer murders because of a causal chain, and his executioners kill him for reasons likewise deterministic.

    There is free will, ultimately he is faced with two options to choose from, regardless of the events that led him there, unless his changing state of mind is predetermined as well. Just like choosing some or none of say, ten, let them be identical, bottles of wine, without any particular reason. Also, the executioners must have freely decided on their type of work.
    You bring up determinism and evolution in one paragraph, I thought randomness ruled the latter, didn’t it. How can you have both, the deterministic nature of behavior and random extraneous phenomena, in a deterministic world nothing is really extraneous, or is evolution in certain aspects at times determined by (illusional as you conclude) free (what?) choices like racialists maintain.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  60. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Linh: “The American mental landscape is absolutely surreal, for just about everything you’re allowed to see, hear, smell or touch is bullshit.”

    Polemos: “You write you don’t believe “the public at large” is manipulated by unseen forces …”

    What I actually wrote was “manipulated like puppets“. Puppets have no will of their own. People do.

    So, you agree with Polemos and Linh that the public at large is manipulated by unseen forces, but not as puppets.

    In an earlier comment, I referred to the example of Helvidius Priscus. Now there was a man with free will, if ever there was any such thing!

    No puppet he. Nor was Socrates.

    So, you agree with me that the universe has free willed people.

    Than we all agree.

  61. Dumb4asterisks: “So, you agree with me that the universe has free willed people.”

    Helvidius Priscus obviously wasn’t Vespasian’s puppet. Whether he had free will or just the appearance of free will I left for the reader to decide.

    “Now there was a man with free will, if ever there was any such thing!” (emphasis added for the irony-impaired)

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  62. anonymous[404]: “How can you have both, the deterministic nature of behavior and random extraneous phenomena, …”

    The existence of randomness doesn’t overthrow the laws of physics, but exists within them. For example, when dice are tossed (a random event), they roll according to whatever inertial forces have been imparted to them. In theory, a perfect knowledge of those forces would allow you to predict what number would come up.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @anonymous
  63. FB says: • Website
    @ThreeCranes

    OR…

    How many were just blown away by a goof with a badge playing god…like the Shaver kid…?

    That’s the question I would like answered…

    If you don’t give a shit about getting your retarded ass blown away by some psycho cop, then at least stop making noise so the sane people can get this problem under control…

  64. C.T. says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I do not hold a non-materialistic stance of consciousness.

    But there are biological pseudosciences, such as Lysenko’s genetics in Stalin’s time, or 19th-century phrenology.

    Just because critics of psychiatry say it is pseudoscience does not mean that critics maintain a spiritualistic stance. It simply means that psychiatrists do not comply with the Occam principle or the principle of falsifiability devised by Popper that distinguishes between real science and false science.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  65. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Helvidius Priscus obviously wasn’t Vespasian’s puppet. Whether he had free will or just the appearance of free will I left for the reader to decide.
    “Now there was a man with free will, if ever there was any such thing!” (emphasis added for the irony-impaired)

    And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. According to you there is no such thing as real free will, so Helvidius had no free will regarding Vespasian.

    Aah, now I get it, you distinguish two types of will, real and illusory. When in illusory mode, it is free, as with Helvidius, but when in real mode it is determined – like a puppet.

    So, when “people cannot be manipulated like puppets”, and when Helvidius cannot be manipulated by Vespasian it refers to their illusory wills, which they do not have, being an illusion.

    Or are their illusory wills real? If not, how can you distinguish people from puppets or declare Helvidius free? If yes, then do you concede that determinism is wrong?

    Any irony is incidental.

  66. Adûnâi says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “The existence of randomness doesn’t overthrow the laws of physics, but exists within them. For example, when dice are tossed (a random event), they roll according to whatever inertial forces have been imparted to them. In theory, a perfect knowledge of those forces would allow you to predict what number would come up.”

    Doesn’t quantum mechanics presuppose true randomness? Afaik, there is no way to know beforehand which particular atom will decay at what time in a piece of Uranium, even with perfect knowledge of the circumstances. Some believe it to extend to human free will even, but it’s still uncertain philosophy at this point.

  67. Adûnâi: “Doesn’t quantum mechanics presuppose true randomness?”

    Quantum effects average out at larger scales. In their book The Grand Design, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow wrote that “the molecular basis of biology shows that biological processes are governed by the laws of physics and chemistry and therefore are as determined as the orbits of the planets.” (p. 32)

    Adûnâi: “Some believe it to extend to human free will even, but it’s still uncertain philosophy at this point.”

    Yes, but …

    1) Some sort of random process is not what is meant by free will in any definition of it I’ve ever seen.

    2) Even trees and rocks experience quantum effects, but no one is arguing that trees and rocks have free will.

  68. Anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Sooo tired of hearing about Israeli police tactics. Never from anyone that actually has any knowledge other than “They Must Be Bad”. Israeli tactics are simple; Keep Control of Your Weapon at all times.
    Wow… pretty hardcore. So, if you readers want to know about the vaunted Israeli Method, just get some old riot control manuals from the pre-pussy era, and imagine updating them with modern weapons that are not designed to be used with bayonets, as pikes, etc. Get the similar hand to hand manuals, which along with bayonet manuals are nothing by basic boxing techniques applied to weapons of the day, and have at it. The IDF does not use cold steel, but will butt stroke with impunity when innocent protesters try to grab weapons.

    Before you all start going on about shit, ask someone that knows. Or maybe get out from behind a keyboard and actually train. Maybe even use that training. Life ain’t a freaking video game

  69. Dumb4asterisks: “Or are their illusory wills real? If not, how can you distinguish people from puppets or declare Helvidius free? If yes, then do you concede that determinism is wrong?”

    It seems to me you are having trouble distinguishing between free will as an objective reality and free will as an illusion. The illusion of free will is real, just as in the desert, a mirage of an oasis is real. The illusion is real, but the thing isn’t actually there. Everyone has the subjective impression that their will is free, and I think we can agree on that. Whether that subjective impression is correct or not is the issue.

    But free will existing as, shall we say, an anti-causal force that falsifies determinism by mysteriously nullifying other causal influences is another matter. So first, let’s get clear on what you mean by free will. In this exchange, I have so far assumed you meant this latter, objectively real kind of free will, since that is what most people mean by it, and you seem so eager to prove you have free will and your choices not forced.

    If that’s what you mean by free will, then I think its incumbent upon you to give at least an outline of how it’s supposed to work. Is there a “free will” particle? Also, how could such a thing evolve, if it did? Did our hominid ancestors have free will, and do other animal species have free will too? Which ones? How about microorganisms? A paramecium? Bacteria? Defenders of the free will concept have a lot of explaining to do.

  70. anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    For example, when dice are tossed (a random event),

    In a deterministic universe no toss of dice is random. The forces that brought it about have come from a specific chain of events in time, all connected. But is the whole process of thinking, taking up information and drawing conclusions not an act of free will, accepting or rejecting ideas, changing positions without any additional input.

  71. anonymous[137]: “In a deterministic universe no toss of dice is random. The forces that brought it about have come from a specific chain of events in time, all connected.”

    Sure, but that is to assume the point in question. In our universe though, whether it’s deterministic or not, rolling (non-loaded) dice generates a random number, in the sense that previous tosses can’t be used to calculate what number will come up on the next toss.

    anonymous[137]: “But is the whole process of thinking, taking up information and drawing conclusions not an act of free will, accepting or rejecting ideas, changing positions without any additional input.”

    Science accepts only two causes of human action, genetics and environment. Free will under the usual definition introduces a third force that can overrule those without any clear reason other than the desire of human beings to think they are free. I’d pose you the same challenge that I posed above in #71 to Dumb4asterisks. Clarify what you mean by free will, and see if you can fit it into a scientific framework. A determinist would say that the options you consider along with the conclusions you come to when thinking are all determined by your experiences (i.e., environment) and genes. So we know how that works. How does free will work?

  72. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Sorry for the delay in answering. My line to God is very noisy today (Saturday). Tomorrow could be worse.

    I will attack on the left flank.

    In the meantime, just a commenting suggestion to commenters: It has been pointed out before that it is difficult to follow a thread if you only quote from a comment without using the “Reply” function, since it makes it very difficult to find the quote to place it within its context or sequence of exchanges, and fails to indicate at someone’s comment that you have replied to it. Surely, it is even easier to do, since you simply copy and past the section from the comment, and blockquote it, rather than having to re-type both the commenter’s moniker and comment. Alternatively, if you do your comment somewhere else first, as I sometimes do, simply paste it into the reply option under the commenters comment, and blockquote your quotes.
    This suggestion is especially applicable to frequent commenters, where figuring out what goes where can be a real pain.
    Thank you.

  73. Hossein says:

    https://www.dusc.org/en/articles/6632/

    This link is proof of disgusting and official Persian racism against the Ahwazi Arabs in “Iran” where ethnic minorities are treated as second and third class citizens.

    Linh is a decent man and his writing is wonderful but should not allow himself to be fooled by the racist Persian regime and their mouth pieces of propaganda and deception.

  74. The ruling class wants a constantly seething population

    see Aristotle, La Politique, Librairie philosophique J. Vrin, Paris 1989, page 411: “(…) car toutes les précautions prises par les tyrans peuvent être rangées sous ces idées de base: les unes ont pour but de semer la défiance entre les citoyens, d’autres de les maintenir dans l’impuissance, d’autres enfin d’avilir les âmes // because all the precautions taken by the tyrants can be summarized under these basis ideas: the ones are intended to sow discord between the citizens, others to keep them impotent, others still to vilify the souls”

  75. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Hi all,

    Translated into Farsi, the above interview is now here.

    Linh

  76. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    free will existing as, shall we say, an anti-causal force that falsifies determinism by mysteriously nullifying other causal influences is another matter

    I love that definition of free will. I have been reading some of your other philosophical comments with interest. I believe the root question of all philosophy and physics, and something that has puzzled me for as long as I can remember is what I call the WITS question. Why is there Something (Rather than Nothing)? Determinism itself breaks down at that point. How can initial nothingness determine something? I’m not talking quantum fluctuations in the vacuum. Why the quantum, as John wheeler would say? The religious might ask the same question by questioning “Who made God”

    It makes we wonder sometimes if anything at all is real (whatever that means). Are we living in a simulation as Elon Musk would argue? The thought alternately makes one feel depressed, apathetic, liberated, irresponsible…. I’d be interested in your thoughts on the matter

  77. Adûnâi says:
    @C.T.

    > “But there are biological pseudosciences, such as Lysenko’s genetics in Stalin’s time, or 19th-century phrenology.”

    Then why do you mention physiognomy in a positive light? Isn’t it as pseudoscientific as phrenology?

    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2019/09/09/physiognomy/
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130503122112/http://armscontrolcenter.org/issues/northkorea/articles/kim_jongun_face_tells_all/

    • Replies: @C.T.
  78. C.T. says: • Website
    @Adûnâi

    You are not citing my words in your link but the words of Evropa Soberana, that I quoted. Anyway, according to Wikipedia physiognomy was a pseudo-science because, ‘popular in the 19th century, it has been used as a basis for scientific racism, along with physical anthropology’. But the wiki is most unreliable in racial matters.

    19th-century physiognomy was an art rather than a science. On the other hand, phrenology and Lysenko’s genetics were presented as real sciences. Psychiatry is still taught as a science in the universities when in fact it doesn’t pass the litmus test.

    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/unfalsifiability-in-psychiatry/

    • Agree: commandor
  79. The Scalpel: “I believe the root question of all philosophy and physics, and something that has puzzled me for as long as I can remember is what I call the WITS question. Why is there Something (Rather than Nothing)?”

    First, pending the arrival of the much-awaited Theory of Everything, I’m not sure that determinism breaks down at all. It’s conceivable to me that the birth and death of universes may be cyclical, and the cycle infinite.

    Second, I am not sure it makes sense to ask “Why?” if you don’t mean by that a deterministic reason. When we ask why something happens, we are ordinarily asking what the cause is, aren’t we? As Immanuel Kant showed in his Critique of Pure Reason, causality is just our mode of perception, and as such, it can’t be applied to itself. For example, if we say there is an uncaused first cause (a prime mover, usually identified with God), then our notion of causality is too big, and we are naturally led to inquire who created God; whereas if we say there was no first cause, but only an infinite regress of prior causes of prior causes, our conception of causality is too small to incorporate all that, and the mind again boggles. The ancient Greeks especially seemed to have had a particular aversion to infinite regress of this kind. But nevertheless it may be so.

  80. @anonymous

    @Dr. Robert Morgan
    The murderer murders because of a causal chain, and his executioners kill him for reasons likewise deterministic.

    And you anonymous[404] say
    There is free will, ultimately he is faced with two options to choose from, regardless of the events that led him there, unless his changing state of mind is predetermined as well.

    Is there free will or not? Is there a God or not?
    Both of you are barking the wrong tree.
    Life is not governed by philosophical truths, nor is it ruled by rules made by the majority.

    Life is where the heart takes you. And the heart is not the brain.

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