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Near my guesthouse in Busan, there’s a Mongolian restaurant, Chinggis Khaan. On its sign, there’s a portrait of the conqueror, looking stern, with a lineup of archers on horseback, behind him.

Though I had walked by Chinggis Khaan many times, I never entered because I thought it was probably some jive joint, run by Koreans. Located in a basement, it offers no clues to what’s inside.

Seeking a respite from kim chi, I finally entered Chinggis Khaan yesterday, to discover that it’s practically a shrine to Mongolian nationalism.

Soon as I opened the door, I saw the baddest man ever staring back at me, and flanking Genghis were eight other khans. On a side wall was the Mongolian flag, and a television playing Mongolian music nonstop.

Rap, heavy metal or hard core, most songs were clearly nationalistic, for they featured images of Genghis Khan, warriors on galloping horses, heroic looking archers or modern soldiers spitting rhymes.

One had “Chinggis Khaan, Chinggis Khaan” as its refrain. With so much rousing, badassed music, it was impossible to focus on my mutton. I just felt like standing up on metal stirrups to shoot arrows at anything that moved.

One of Mongolia’s top bands, The Hu, derives its name from Hunnu, or Huns. In the accusatory “Yuve, Yuve, Yu,” they growl:

Though born with your ancestors’ destiny,
You sleep deeply and can’t be awakened.
How strange, how strange!
[…]
Why is it hard to lift up our nation?
How strange, how strange!
Hey you traitor, kneel down!
[…]
Destined to unite nations, Chinggis Khan
Announced himself on earth
He’ll come back, will come back.

In Mongolia, Genghis Khan is back all right. Just outside the capital is a 131-foot equestrian statue of the man, and Mongolia’s highest honor is The Order of Genghis Khan, of which only one is awarded yearly. The Hu is its latest recipient. It wasn’t long ago that Mongolian scholars of Genghis Khan were killed by the Soviets. Their crime? Nationalism.

For Genghis Khan’s 800th birthday in 1962, Daramyn Tomor-Ochir authorized a celebration. As the second highest member of the politburo, he felt secure, but just like that, Tomor-Ochir was kicked out of the party, jailed, sent into internal exile, given only lowly jobs then finally murdered in 1985 with an ax, his killers never caught. As a rising Communist, Tomor-Ochir had denounced Byambyn Rinchen, a leading scholar and writer, for his nationalism.

Internationally, the Great Khan is also enjoying a revival, though in 1992, Time Magazine still listed him as the worst villain of the last millennium, with Tamerlane coming in second. Is there an anti-Mongol/Turco/Central Asian/nomadic bias here? Someone alert the Anti-Defamation League and National Association for the Advancement of Colored People! Yellow horde lives matter! At least Attila the Hun didn’t make the top ten.

In 1995, however, the Washington Post simply crowned Genghis Khan as Man of the Millennium, period, beating out Christopher Columbus.

In an often cheeky editorial, Joel Achenbach rhapsodized, “Genghis Khan was a doer […] Genghis Khan reached out and touched countless lives. Ended them, in fact […] Like Columbus after him, Genghis Khan shrank the world […] He and his descendants created a vast free-trade zone across Eurasia and greatly enhanced the linkage between the civilizations of the East and West […] The Mongols […] pioneered global communications seven centuries before the invention of the Internet.” Genghis Khan was a pioneer of globalism, in short.

In his 2004 book, Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World, Jack Weatherford elaborates:

In American terms, the accomplishment of Genghis Khan might be understood if the United States, instead of being created by a group of educated merchants or wealthy planters, had been founded by one of its illiterate slaves, who, by the sheer force of personality, charisma, and determination, liberated America from foreign rule, united the people, created an alphabet, wrote the constitution, established universal religious freedom, invented a new system of warfare, marched an army from Canada to Brazil, and opened roads of commerce in a free-trade zone that stretched across the continents. On every level and from any perspective, the scale and scope of Genghis Khan’s accomplishments challenge the limits of imagination and tax the resources of scholarly explanation.

Unlike a wealthy, slave-owning planter like Thomas Jefferson, Genghis Khan had been a slave, and he beat the American by nearly six centuries in establishing the rule of law and religious freedom. Granted, dude wrote nada, since he couldn’t write, but he porked many more babes than the philosophical Jefferson, for sure, and it’s doubtful he bothered with courtship. Where’s #Me Too on this? According to Oxford University, Genghis Khan has 16 million descendants.

Already in 1260, Ata-Malik Juvayni observed, “Of the issue of the race and lineage of Chingiz Khan, there are now living in the comfort of wealth and affluence more than 20,000. More than this I will not say… lest the readers of this history should accuse the writer of exaggeration and hyperbole and ask how from the loins of one man there could spring in so short a time so great a progeny.”

In the 21st century, Genghis Khan has been the focus of celebratory exhibitions in New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San Jose and Kansas City, etc. In Raleigh, he’s described as “an innovative leader and statesman who brought unity, stability and religious tolerance to most of Asia and parts of Europe.” In Bozeman, MT (pop. 49,000), museum goers were invited to discover “the real life of one of the world’s greatest civilizers—the man who gave the West passports, pants, paper money, forks, and much more.”

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You’ve got to step back and see the big picture, eh, not reduce a civilizing immortal to a blood drinking ogre who made Beijing streets “greasy with the fat of the slain,” according to an eyewitness, or a demon who led “an immense horde of that detestable race of Satan,” to quote Matthew Paris, a 13th century English monk.

As Genghis Khan becomes a god again on his home turf, another historical giant has been knocked down with dizzying speed, and Thomas Jefferson is even denounced at the University of Virginia, which he didn’t just found, but lovingly designed.

Among his many accomplishments, Jefferson was the father of the American college campus, but from these sheltered villages of learning, sophomoric mobs are now howling for his scalp!

Jefferson kept over 600 slaves during his lifetime, they’ll tell you, and he had black boys as young as ten-years-old whipped, when they couldn’t pound out nails fast enough for his business. Jefferson separated slave families, sometimes as punishment, but more often just to make a buck.

During his life, Jefferson published only one book, Notes on the State of Virginia. In it, he stated that blacks naturally smelled bad, had weird or bad taste, lacked foresights, couldn’t convey abstract thoughts, and were incapable of poetry or art. Their attraction towards women was basically just lust, “They are more ardent after their female: but love seems with them to be more an eager desire, than a tender delicate mixture of sentiment and sensation.” Only in music were blacks superior to whites, for they had “accurate ears for tune and time.”

Jefferson concluded, “I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind,” so it was only a suspicion, and Jefferson didn’t know if such inferiority was rooted in biology, history or the environment.

Notes on the State of Virginia was published in 1785. In a 1791 letter to Benjamin Banneker, a black astronomer and mathematician, Jefferson wrote, ‘‘No body wishes more than I do to see such proofs as you exhibit, that nature has given to our black brethren, talents equal to those of the other colors of men, and that the appearance of a want of them is owing merely to the degraded condition of their existence, both in Africa and America.’’ Jefferson’s thinking evolved.

For some context into racial attitudes way back then, consider the following passage:

Another characteristic fact in reference to the Negroes is Slavery. Negroes are enslaved by Europeans and sold to America. Bad as this may be, their lot in their own land is even worse, since there a slavery quite as absolute exists; for it is the essential principle of slavery, that man has not yet attained a consciousness of his freedom, and consequently sinks down to a mere Thing—an object of no value. Among the Negroes moral sentiments are quite weak, or more strictly speaking, non-existent. Parents sell their children, and conversely children their parents, as either has the opportunity. Through the pervading influence of slavery all those bonds of moral regard which we cherish towards each other disappear, and it does not occur to the Negro mind to expect from others what we are enabled to claim. The polygamy of the Negroes has frequently for its object the having many children, to be sold, every one of them, into slavery; and very often naive complaints on this score are heard, as for instance in the case of a Negro in London, who lamented that he was now quite a poor man because he had already sold all his relations.

Blacks, this author asserted, have no moral sense, love for their parents or children, or even any conception of freedom for themselves. Worse than an animal, they’re just things. Published in 1837, it’s Hegel’s Lectures on the Philosophy of History.

As for child labor and its abuses, consider that white English boys as young as four-years-old were forced to be chimney sweepers. A William Blake poem of 1789 begins:

When my mother died I was very young,
And my father sold me while yet my tongue
Could scarcely cry “ ‘weep! ‘weep! ‘weep! ‘weep!”
So your chimneys I sweep & in soot I sleep.

Breathing in soot, many of these kids died from lung diseases, or just falling down chimneys. Humans have often been barbaric, and still are.

As much as anyone in history, Thomas Jefferson inspired and challenged us all to rise or fight our way out of such savagery. With unprecedented clarity and poetry, he insisted that freedom is our natural, God-given state.

No man should be judged by his worst moments, but in totality, and in a man of genius, he should be celebrated at his most transcendent.

In 1962, 49 Nobel Prize winners were invited to a White House dinner. Kennedy greeted them, “I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. Someone once said that Thomas Jefferson was a gentleman of 32 who could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, and dance the minuet.”

As Mongols embrace their founding father, Americans denounce theirs, so who do you think have a brighter future?

It is past midnight in Busan. It is July 4th. It is dark here, but it is much darker in the land of Jefferson. Still, happy birthday.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    As Mongols embrace their founding father, Americans denounce theirs, so who do you think have a brighter future?

    Considering that only about 25% of the US is Anglo of any sort these days, I’d say that Jefferson could never be the founding father of the “American people.” For this reason, I see little reason to keep statues of him up. The Asian, Hispanic, Black, etc. people who make up the new majority here don’t care anyways.

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
  2. As Mongols embrace their founding father, Americans denounce theirs, so who do you think have a brighter future?

    But America began as patricide. Just ask George III.

    It’s happening again as US goes from Founding Father to Fuc*in’ Brotha.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  3. songbird says:

    Closest guy to Genghis from Europe would probably be Alexander the Great. They started to deconstruct him a long time ago. I remember reading a story in an old McGuffey reader, where it was explained how he wasn’t great, which is really silly because that’s not what “Great” means in its original context.

    We should all respect power, whether or not we approve of the means to gain it, or how it is used. People who don’t respect ruthless historical figures inevitably blind themselves to the sources of power today.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Moi
  4. Talha says:

    Yellow horde lives matter!

    LOOOOOOOOL!!!!

    That line is worth the price of admission! Stay safe Mr. Dinh and clear of any stampeding hordes.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Montefrío
  5. Good piece. Keep pitching.

  6. Linh Dinh: “Jefferson’s thinking evolved.”

    In the interval in question, between 1785 and 1791, Jefferson, being 44 years old and in Paris at United States Minister to France, most likely began a sexual relationship with his 14 years old slave Sally Hemings. Shades of Jeffrey Epstein! The modern-day Puritans currently running amok smashing statues would probably like to see his image dynamited from Mt. Rushmore just for the age difference, let alone the slavery thing. Tappin’ dat young black booty apparently will do wonders to “evolve” a white supremacist’s thinking on the race question.

    As for Genghis Khan, I always liked this quote attributed to him, and paraphrased by Conan the Barbarian:

    “Man’s greatest good fortune is to chase and defeat his enemy, seize his total possessions, leave his married women weeping and wailing, ride his gelding (and) use the bodies of his women as a nightshirt and support.”

  7. willem1 says:

    “One of Mongolia’s top bands, The Hu, derives its name from Hunnu, or Huns.”

    Or could it just be a clever play on for the Mongolian version of “The Who”…..

    Great article!

    • Agree: chris
  8. Truth3 says:

    Jew Lies Matter!

    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Pindos
  9. Cowboy says:

    Happy Presbyterian rebellion day! Be sure to thank a Calvinist

  10. Tony says:

    Personally I prefer Chaka Khan. And so would have Jefferson.

    • Replies: @Anon
  11. AceDeuce says:

    RE: Jefferson’s observation in Notes on Virginia about the offensive body odor of blacks.

    The reason for that, the old joke goes, is so that blind and deaf people can hate them too.

  12. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    All you Leftist faggots, sluts and dirty niggers can kiss my pasty white boy American ass!

    • Agree: Chris Mallory
    • Thanks: anon8383892
  13. Blitz says:
    @Anon

    You are,beyond a Schadou of a doubt, my favorite writer here,Dear Sir…But I do know that since you deal with the REALITY of Life as it is-(just “is”)-I always anticipate a punch in the teeth.
    You Rarely disappoint(!).
    The last sentence brought wells of tears to me-I should thank you for that,I guess(?)…Bastard! (remember,we’re in a dive somewhere in this universe having cheap beer together and loving it!)
    I’m so terribly sad for my country-no longer a “Nation” (not for many years!),really can’t even say,”my ‘People’ “.
    I know you understand.
    I ENVY you for being an ex-pat…if I had the means my Saltine-Murkin ass would vacate the premises before “the Wall” (to keep us IN!) was finished;I’d sneak across the Mexican border and pray I didn’t get caught! (you did! lol)
    Sad…Guess we’re gonna all cram into Iceland (har!-they have most excellent anti-ship batteries,and only a small habitable coastline to defend)…Maybe Zion Don wants to snatch Greenland from the Danes to leave one good legacy after all, the Last Refuge?
    (Palestine for Greenland?-only if Juden Frei!)
    Thank you,Unsere Fruende,for my next dental appointment!!…Will send you the bill again,just can’t seem to find you!
    Gott Mit Uns

  14. This article should give strong intimation as to why the constitutional republic can only be re-constituted from a minority strong trunk fragment with historical and other natural affinities for the operational philosophies in play. Modern ‘civic’ nationalism or varied cosmopolitan ‘perspectives’ are vapid, dry, their whole thing is just a stale abstraction. Kind of like Burroughs’ take on The Critic, casting aspersions on the writing (in this case it’s Jefferson and constitutional mileau generally), cast negative associations. Vague pussyfooting faggotry basically. The internet has been alright, but we seriously need to read books more again. Comment sections have been fruitful.

  15. @Anon

    >MUH WW2
    >MUH IWO JIMA
    This is why amerimutt asses will be kissing the feet of the spic nig legions instead.

    • Agree: Ghan-buri-Ghan
    • Replies: @Anon
  16. Chniggiz Khaang didn’t exist, btw. There’s even a thread on Unz right now about made up history: How Fake Is Roman Antiquity?

    Foreigners had to go to Mongolia and inform the natives that they once ruled all Asia, as they had no idea.

    [MORE]

    BBC Travel: Why Ghenghis Khan’s tomb can’t be found

    When the emperor was finally laid to rest, his soldiers rode 1,000 horses over his grave to destroy any remaining trace.

    In the 800 years since Genghis Khan’s death, no-one has found his tomb.

    But most interest in locating the tomb is international; Mongolians don’t want it found.

    it can be difficult for outsiders to understand why it’s considered taboo to seek his grave.

    In her opinion, it is about respect. Genghis Khan did not want to be found.

    “They went through all that effort to hide his tomb,” she pointed out. Opening it now would violate his wishes.

    Occam’s Razor.

    • Replies: @RodW
  17. nebulafox says:
    @songbird

    >which is really silly because that’s not what “Great” means in its original context.

    Yes. Same story for Ivan the Terrible: “Grozny” does not mean the same thing in Russian.

    I’ve always found it ironic that the pagan title “Khan” became such a common name for affluent Muslims in Central and South Asia considering what the Mongols and their descendants did to the region, but it is important to remember that for most of human history, major military success was seen as a sign of divine favor. This single reality punches above its weight as a historical explainer.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Talha
    , @Alfred
  18. 4 July is also the date in 1946 when the Philippines were granted independence from the USA, now called Republic Day there

    12 July is the day in 1898 when the Philippines declared its independence from Spain … which was followed by a USA war of slaughter, killing hundreds of thousands of Filipinos, to compel the Phillipines to remain a USA colony … leading Mark Twain to declare that the USA flag should be the pirates’ Jolly Roger

    Also re Western colonialism in Linh Dinh’s ASEAN grouping of nations –

    A beautiful 2019 film of Indonesia, “They Call Me Babu’, Dutch original title ‘Ze noemen me Baboe’, about a young Javanese girl from late 1930s to the end of the 1940s, brilliantly done as a faux ‘documentary’, in black and white with imperfect scratched film frames, woven with real films of that era

    The story centres on Alima, who loses her mother very young – she becomes a nanny to a Dutch family, goes to Holland a while, and then back to Indonesia to live through Japanese occupation and the war for independence from the Dutch

    In the film at one point, the news spreads that Nazis invaded Holland … ‘But the Dutch have invaded us for 350 years’, says one Indonesian … Here’s the film trailer

    • Thanks: chris
  19. Dumbo says:

    Well… I don’t know… Jefferson was a great man, who cares if he had a slave concubine or if he owned slaves. Everyone had slaves back then. Gengis and his minions likely enslaved millions. And it’s not like anyone criticizes Gengis for having who knows how many concubines. Women are attracted to power, and even more to ruthless dictators, from Mao to Stalin, most powerful leaders had lovers and concubines. I think Hitler was the only exception. But Hitler was strange in many ways.

    But maybe people respect Jefferson less today, because the average person is less impressed by intellect, and more by someone like Gengis invading, cutting heads and raping. Maybe Jefferson should have had more concubines, and raped some bitches and cut some heads, and people today would be more enthused with him.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Wade
  20. Franz says:

    inspired and challenged us all to rise or fight our way out of such savagery. With unprecedented clarity and poetry [Thomas Jefferson] insisted that freedom is our natural, God-given state.

    Which explains why HIS statues are being pulled down. These demonstrators have demonstrated they have as much interest in freedom as Genghis Khan. But like the Mongolian war chief, they have lots of interest in power. Like the Khan, they want it all.

    And with Biden and Trump being our “choices” this election year, what’s to stop them?

  21. @Anon

    John Philip Sousa was Hispanic. His Colonel listed him as a “greaser”.

  22. @Anon

    Patriotism is the last bastion of the scoundrel. Keep bitching about the niggers, they have no power and are a lazy man’s target.

    Now the English and their Jew bankers- that’s who owns this place; they’re Americans. You and l are just visitors and are treated as such.

  23. neutral says:
    @Anon

    People may not like what he says, but he is correct. Race replacement means the statues of the previous racial inhabitants will not be seen as heroes, how hard is it to understand this basic fact?

  24. Tulips says:

    Old Testament culture also sold children and even oneself into slavery. The Covenant of Manumission lays out the laws for that. Must be that Jefferson never read the Bible. Feudal Japanese culture also had poor farmers selling their children into servitude.

    • Replies: @mark green
    , @showmethereal
  25. Happy 4th of July, Linh Dinh! Today, a companion piece on UNZ by Philip Giraldi talks about conspiracy theories. So in that spirit, here is one one for you: Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars, Khazars are a Turkic people, Jews are Turks.

    So they are just celebrating one of their own, viz. Genghis Khan, the sole internationalist, in a roundabout way and denouncing one of their worst enemy: Jefferson.

  26. Moi says:

    But isn’t Khan derived from Turkish?

  27. Moi says:
    @songbird

    Genghis Khan, emperor of all men, was the greatest conqueror ever. All others pale before him, including old Alex, whose empire collapsed upon his death.

  28. Moi says:
    @nebulafox

    The first Moghul king of India (or at least much of northern India), Babar, claimed descent from Genghis Khan on his mom’s side and from Tamerlane (Timur) on his father’s side.

    • Replies: @profnasty
  29. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Don’t forget that Sally was 7/8 white. She was in fact Jefferson’s late wife’s half-sister. TJ nearly lost his mind to grief when his beloved Martha died. To see a lovely young girl who looked like her, years later, in the very “city of love”, as he entered middle age with all its insecurities – the result seems quite inevitable. And it would have been quite a feather in Sally’s cap to bed the master, with all the privilege that traditionally came with such arrangements.

    • Agree: Michael888
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Neoconned
  30. Emslander says:

    My dentist told me a long time ago that my teeth are Mongolian, so I’m probably a descendant of Genghis Khan. I do feel that way a lot. I have an urge to build an empire.

  31. unit472 says:

    The Vikings were a fearsome breed too but civilizations cannot be built by a single man or in a single lifetime.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  32. Polemos says:

    “Yuve, Yuve, Yu” is one of the best songs to get yourself pumped, if you’re the sort who likes metal. Listening to it and reading the lyrics, I thought the same kinds of ideas here: why are some nationalisms okay and others not? What kinds of nationalisms endure and nurture and others fail?

    And chanting/growling along also helps develop the lungs and chords for creating good kinds of meditative headspace needed to have out of body experiences.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  33. profnasty says:
    @Anon

    If you denounce your White heritage, then you truly are alone. No sympathy from this stranger.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  34. profnasty says:
    @Moi

    “Cobra on my left. Leopard on my right.” James Morrison

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  35. Jefferson had some interesting, and true observations about the negro. No wonder they’re trying to get rid of him.

    This is what Albert Schweitzer had to say on the subject;

    “I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks, AceDeuce
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  36. profnasty says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    This story is not proven. Paris does not demand coitus. Genetic evidence could come from TJs brother, who partied with the slaves. Don’t fall into the PC trap. Question everything.

  37. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    No doctor named Morgan could lose so much of his education and manhood to write such crass filth as you do, repeat a known falsehood about Jefferson, or so transparently attempt to hide his personal limitations as a man behind a made-up boast from Ghengis Khan. Who would people most liken you to in person, if asked? Is it Ghengis Khan or Alan Dershowitz?

  38. anon[330] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anon

    Most of what is written about Jefferson is lies. He was stuck with mortgaged slaves he could not free, and explains in a letter he instead let them live and sell their labor as they pleased in a self governing village of their own design.

    Contemporary accounts say Genghis was a tall redhead. He clearly set out to crush the religious fanaticism of the time, and created baby democracies where he went. Today’s Mongols were a small group among the White and Asian tribes he led that have since dominated the area.

    Just sayin’.

  39. profnasty: “This story is not proven. Paris does not demand coitus. Genetic evidence could come from TJs brother, who partied with the slaves. Don’t fall into the PC trap. Question everything.”

    I don’t think you do him any favors, but if you prefer to think that Jefferson was a stupid, impotent old geezer who had no idea his brother was screwing his wife’s half sister, that’s your affair. The DNA evidence certainly proves one of them is the father of Eston Hemings.

  40. Observator: “Don’t forget that Sally was 7/8 white.”

    No, she was a quadroon. The Jefferson children by her were 7/8 white.

  41. Talha says:
    @nebulafox

    As Moi pointed out, many people in that area trace their lineage to him; given his many estimated descendants, this is not far off. The name “Mughal” is a dead giveaway.

    Tamer is a popular name in those parts even though the man killed many, many Muslims in his wars. There is still a section of Damascus called Burj at-Ru’us (Tower of the Heads) from when his army piled up the heads of the conquered out in a field to display.

    I believe you are right about the people of the past (and even now) considering military victory to be a sign of Divine favor.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @Colin Wright
  42. Talha says:
    @Observator

    And it would have been quite a feather in Sally’s cap to bed the master, with all the privilege that traditionally came with such arrangements.

    This is not discussed as much as it should be; Jefferson was as much an alpha male one could find in that society (intellectually, not in the military sense). I doubt many women would have minded being his companion.

    Peace.

  43. @profnasty

    “Cobra on my left. Leopard on my right.”

    Stuck in the middle with unz.

    • LOL: frankie p
  44. Trinity says:

    What I find strange is how many Africans and African Americans adopt the Muslim religion as their religion out of ignorance. The Arabs were the heavyweight champions of slavery, enslaving White Europeans as well as African Blacks. Speaking of heavyweight champions and Muslims, it is interesting that Ali, ( Ali wasn’t the sharpest pencil in the drawer for sure) never condemned his Arab brethren nor his African brethren for enslaving his ancestors. To his credit, Ali did admit, that he was glad his kinfolk had been brought to America, and that Blacks in America had it made compared to Blacks in Africa. In the late 70’s/early 80’s it seemed every time some Black fighter would become champion in the light heavyweight division, they would change their name, Matthew Franklin became Matthew Saad Muhammad, Eddie Gregory became Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Braxton then became Dwight Muhammad Qawi, one right after another. Obviously these men, all great fighters btw, must not have known that their male kinfolk who were unfortunate enough to be enslaved by Arab Muslims were often castrated.

    It isn’t just slave owners, it is anyone White or anyone who has criticized Blacks in the past who are being brought down. Even the peaceful Gandhi wasn’t spared. Some have noted that some Jewish Confederate soldiers have been spared for some (((strange reason))), however. Of course, the mass murdering Lenin is spared near the former nation of Chop/Chad, Lenin just killed off a bunch of White Christians, give or take a million or two. What a statue of Lenin is doing in a major “American” city is anyone’s guess, but there you have it. Lenin remains and Washington is toppled and burned in 2020 America. Do these leftist morons think that their hero Che Guevara was fond of Blacks and Mexicans? lololol. Guevara viewed Blacks the same way the once celebrated Gandhi viewed Blacks.

    • Thanks: Ivan
    • Replies: @Malla
  45. @Stay Mad Anglo

    Portuguese not Hispanic. His last name reflects that fact.

  46. Speaking of Genghis Khan and statues, I’ve not had the privilege of viewing it in person, but his Mongolian tribute made my jaw drop when I first saw it online. This is how it’s done!

    https://www.byumsasia.org/voices—byu-ms-blog/genghis-khan-statue

  47. But let’s not forget this little gem about power and Mongol conquests:

    “Juvaini mentions how, after the sack of Marv, a group of survivors counted the dead. In thirteen days they had counted over a million corpses and it was then, the historian tells us, that they recited a rubai ‘of Omar Khayyam’, as ‘suitable to the occasion’:

    The parts of a cup which are joined together
    The drunkard does not hold it lawful to break:
    So many delicate hands, legs, heads,
    Through whose love were they joined, by whose hatred smashed?

    Aah well, if you want to break an egg you might as well make an omelette. It’s “great”.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  48. Parbes says:
    @Talha

    “Tamer is a popular name in those parts even though the man killed many, many Muslims in his wars. There is still a section of Damascus called Burj at-Ru’us (Tower of the Heads) from when his army piled up the heads of the conquered out in a field to display.”

    CRY ME A RIVER, you Islamic apologist POS.

    • Replies: @Talha
  49. Based Lad says:

    What a baffling coincidence. I just recently discovered The Hu and was entranced with the blatant patriotic nationalism. I am envious of their racial solidarity and pride. The Chinese of the era were fortunate to have their state smashed by Genghis. The emporer clandestinely fled the city and left his people to punishment by the Mongols. Cowardly and corrupt. Genghis’ worst offense was the destruction of masses of ancient works in the Beijing archives. The golden horde and Iberian moors should serve as a reminder to European peoples that collectivization is occasionally required.

  50. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @HeebHunter

    I’ve been reading your bullshit posts dripping with hate for Americans for weeks now. What is it with you self-righteous Eurotrash and your America hate?

    You people were butchering, swindling and back-stabbing each other long before America came on the scene. Check out the Thirty Years War for starters.

    You do understand that both Britain and France sent delegations to the US to petition it’s entry into both WW1 and WW2, don’t you? It’s a real shame we didn’t let you blow each other to bits by yourselves both times. Of course Jews and their budding Globalist lackeys had other ideas.

    From my own reading and investigation, as well as the current situation we find ourselves in, I have no trouble saying we probably took the wrong side in both of those conflicts. Of course, it’s easy to end up on the wrong side in wars started by rich men. That doesn’t mean I don’t honor the bravery and and sacrifice of the men who fought. I don’t begrudge any people the right to do that, no matter if I think their cause was just or not.

    As far as a lot of the post WW2 stuff such as the EU and NATO, Middle East wars and American Intel Color Revolutions etc… I’m opposed to all of it, as are most of the American people. That’s a big part of why Trump was elected. It’s next to impossible to reverse 50 plus years of entrenched Jew Globalist policy and their dug in Deep State bureaucracy in four years.

    Futhermore, people like you need to have the guts to admit the fact that NONE of this stuff could have possibly come about and continue without the enthusiastic support of millions and millions of your own countrymen. They’re getting rich and selling you out, just like our politicians over here.

    So take it easy with your unhinged America hating, goofball.

  51. Just eight hundred and some odd years ago Chengiz exploded on the scene. At that time most big human settlements were self contained and produced almost all that hey needed. It was life limited by their own ingenuity and imagination It was a rare man who traveled to another city.
    After Chengiz’s conquest, traders and travelers were given golden seals that they wore around their necks and allowed them free access throughout the Mongol Empire. Molesting or hindering them was a death sentence.
    This is the takeaway from readingGenghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford’
    The cost to the insular old order and the elites must have been unimaginable but it did open the old world to new ideas, products and customs.
    A lifetime ago I remember reading in one of Harold Lamb’s books that we shouldn’t judge historical figures by our contemporary morals, as we all are slaves of our upbringing and age. Jefferson and other historical figures too should be accorded the same courtesy.

  52. @Priss Factor

    Interesting casting. I didn’t think there were any Italians in the Colonial Period.

    • Replies: @Anon
  53. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Yes, I can picture some American SJW Leftoid couple on an “adventure vacation” in Mongolia, gushing over the massive statue of this mass murderer, rapist, slaver, torturer etc… and a few months later going apeshit while demanding the removal of a statue of Washington, Lee or Jefferson…lol

  54. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    “Speaking of Genghis Khan and statues, I’ve not had the privilege of viewing it in person, but his Mongolian tribute made my jaw drop when I first saw it online. This is how it’s done!”

    Sorry, 404 error. Let’s try this one

  55. @Johnny Smoggins

    Reading Albert Schweitzer’s quote (thanks for providing it) I immediately thought of the Afrikaners of South Africa. So sad that they forgot what their ancestors knew. Now, white Americans, bowing down to their BLM masters, are about to learn the same thing.

    • Replies: @Da's Reich
  56. Pindos says:
    @Truth3

    It’s all they think about.

  57. @unit472

    I always thought that the Vikings and Mongols were very similar. For instance, they were both the last wave of invaders from their particular parts of the world. The Mongols were the last wave to come out of Altaic Central-East Asia. The first being the Huns (Xiongnu), followed by the Turks, and then finally the Mongols. Likewise, the Vikings were the last wave of pagan Germanic people to come out of Scandinavia, which was the original homeland of all Germanic peoples. The first to overrun Europe were the Goths and Vandals, then followed closely by a second wave consisting of the likes of the Franks and Saxons, and finally, the Vikings – the last remaining Germanics in the original homeland, yet untouched by Christianity, spread out over the rest of Europe.

  58. Petermx says:

    For some reason a line from the British comedy series Monty Python from years ago came to mind while reading this article. “He was a cruel man, but a fair man”

  59. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    If it takes white American men to change to a diet of horsemilk and sauerkraut so they can regrow just 1/100 of the cojones of men like Ghengis Khan or Thomas Jefferson, I say lets do it. If Ghengis Khan was the most effective doer politician in history, Trump must be one of the most ineffective. He can’t even control a few rabble rousers that are pulling down important historic statues. If this is what a diet of fast food and Aspartame laced colas does to you, their inventors found the ideal weapon to render their enemies ineffective. Ghengis Khan would never have used such a weapon however as having an enemy that doesn’t fight back, would not only be unsporting, but totally unchallenging and boring to boot.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @anon
    , @Thomasina
  60. Alfred says:
    @nebulafox

    I’ve always found it ironic that the pagan title “Khan” became such a common name for affluent Muslims in Central and South Asia considering what the Mongols and their descendants did to the region.

    In Persian, “Khan” is a title given to landowners and powerful people. It was not a name originally.

    In Iran, as a term of respect, I was often called “Bibakhan”. It is placed after the name. Biba was an abbreviation that they used for my real first name. There are few if any Iranians called “Khan” for obvious reasons. 🙂

  61. @Talha

    No, he is nauseated, and justifiably so.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @Talha
  62. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stay Mad Anglo

    John Phillip Sousa looked about as greasy as an average Dutchman.

  63. We tend to forget that the current descendants of slaves are nothing like their ancestors. The slaves came from the most primitive cultures, and were completely unaware of education or personal hygiene. They could easily survive in the most hostile conditions, but were unfit for America’s polite society. The passing of 275 years has changed every bit of that.

    The people Jefferson spoke of were accurately described in the context of that era. He was quite an observant and truthful man, and has left behind a wealth of documents, letters and papers in testimony.

    It is nonsensical to compare actions and attitudes of 300 years ago with those of today. We did not live in that culture, we have no idea of what we ourselves would have thought or said about anything.

    Here’s hoping that the society of 300 years from now are kinder in their assessments of us.

    • Replies: @anon
  64. Parbes says:
    @Talha

    Hah hah hah, a simpering Asian Muslim idiot still butt-sore and whiny from the asskicking given his primitive medieval retard ancestors by Tamerlaine centuries ago, calling OTHERS mad… You seem to have learned the art of chutzpah real well from your masters, like the clown in this picture.

    And I’m not your bro.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Really No Shit
  65. @Polemos

    Well let’s link it up for those lazy to search it. Great video production. Pay attention to the lyrics in English subtitles … especially: “Hey you traitor! Kneel down!” Great find Linh … it certainly pays to get around, even to some basement restaurant that reveals far more than meets the eye above ground.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  66. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    In the interval in question, between 1785 and 1791, Jefferson, being 44 years old and in Paris at United States Minister to France, most likely began a sexual relationship with his 14 years old slave Sally Hemings

    That accusation was a political one advance by one James Callender who was jailed for sedition but after he was released he could not pay the fine and Jefferson paid it.

    Callender didn’t think Jefferson was generous enough and so the character assassination began.

    Was the baby daddy Peter Carr, Jefferson’s nephew?

    Responding to the nasty rumors, John Adams wrote I believe nothing says any more than if it had been said my an infernal spirit. I would not convict a dog if killing a sheep upon the testimony of two such witnesses.

    The putative proof that Jefferson was the baby daddy is a complete joke.

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    • Replies: @J. Alfred Powell
  67. Thim says:

    Sally Hemmings was 3/4 white, and of fair skin. Jefferson had no religion or fixed morals, so he was ok with taking this white slave as his concubine, at her peak, age 14.

    Some do not agree, and think it was Jefferson’s brother that ravished this white slave so well that she produced six children, all almost 90 percent white, and still considered black under Virginia law.

  68. Parbes says:
    @Bombercommand

    Laconic and precise… Thank you.

  69. Emslander says:
    @anon

    If it takes white American men to change to a diet of horsemilk and sauerkraut so they can regrow just 1/100 of the cojones of men like Ghengis Khan or Thomas Jefferson, I say lets do it.

    It’s going to take a lot more than a changed diet to turn American men into men. What it takes is to learn not to fear death.

  70. Great article. As usual you bring unique and innovative perspective to socio-political upheaval.
    History is written by the winners and they usually get statues, shrines, monuments regardless of his morality. Sometimes they get these monuments because they committed horrible things and I guess that’s why they won. However, any historical characters cannot just be the winner during his own lifetime in order to be embraced by many future generations. General understanding of his cause and the victory itself need to endure many cultural and social changes that every society will go through no matter what. Statues tumble, get resurrected and tumble again throughout the time. As Frank Wedekind said “Monuments are for the living, not the dead”. Old statues that remain standing are best depiction of the culture of the living generation.

  71. @Commentator Mike

    That Swastika decorated fretboard Rocks.

    • Replies: @Biff
  72. @follyofwar

    Had a quick look at Albert Schweitzer,

    Managed to avoid Europe during the biggest war of all time,

    Nice lucky break, whatever the reason,

    And Africa provided him with refuge,

    You Yanks are a beaten docket and as somebody else said the blacks are an easy target,

    The Je Je Je Je four by twos are your problem,

    Not all of them of course, only the powerful ones,

    Go after the ‘Holocaust’, its dead easy to debunk,

    Bury that narrative and they are done,

    Their Achilles heel

    Who’s got the balls 😉

  73. Talha says:
    @Bombercommand

    So….

    Funny thing is, I don’t even know why you guys are upset. Most I can think of is that you are triggered by some Muslims still naming their kids Tamer (name associated with the conqueror, Tamerlane).

    Cope.

    Some Europeans at the time actually liked Tamerlane and tried to build political relations with him because he fought against the Ottomans and threw their empire into a civil war.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  74. Talha says:
    @Parbes

    Who’s whining? I simply pointed out that people name their kids after him despite the history. I’m from Pakistan, people still name their kids Tamer in Pakistan. Multiple Asian Muslim countries claim him as theirs because…he was a Muslim. So…yeah.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  75. @Parbes

    Every “Khan” in the Indian Subcontinent is nothing but a low caste Hindoo convert to Islam … there are no descendants of the Great Khan in the brown horde!

    • Replies: @Parbes
  76. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque

    In his scholarly biography — John Adams (New York, Doubleday, 1962) — Page Smith, mentions Jefferson’s fathering of a child by Sally Hemings. Reminiscing in 1812, Adams related that “A lady who knew the South well had told Adams that ‘she did not believe that there was a planter in Virginia who could not reckon among his slaves a number of his children.’” Smith comments, quoting Adams, “Adams accepted the story without question. It was ‘a natural and almost unavoidable consequence of that foul contagion in the human character — Negro slavery.’” [p. 1094, citing Adams Papers microfilm May 26, 1812]

    Smith p. 709-710 quotes Adams (to Jefferson June 26 & 27, 1787, in Adams-Jefferson correspondence I.179-179) discussing the arrival into his care in London of Jefferson’s daughter Polly, en route to her father in Paris, “accompanied by a slave girl, Sally Hemings [ostensibly her maid], little older than Polly herself, whose delicate features and light skin showed very clearly that she had white blood.” The next day Abigail Adams took both girls out shopping and for Sally bought “some calico for short gowns, linen for aprons, three pairs of stockings, and a kerchief.” —

  77. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    If it takes white American men to change to a diet of horsemilk and sauerkraut so they can regrow just 1/100 of the cojones of men like Ghengis Khan

    Forget the sauerkraut.
    The Mongols hordes lived on air dried pemmican during their campaigns.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  78. @Talha

    ‘I believe you are right about the people of the past (and even now) considering military victory to be a sign of Divine favor.’

    Oh for sure now as well. Lots of us admire martial prowess. It’s akin to admiring athletic prowess.

    The difficulty comes in admitting that one’s peerless knight could have also committed crimes. People don’t want to admit the star football player is also a rapist. Those incredibly able German soldiers of the Second World War couldn’t have had anything to do with the Holocaust. Our brave Jewish boys don’t amuse themselves deliberately murdering unarmed women and children.

    Etc. Well, unfortunately they often do.

    • Replies: @Talha
  79. gavishti says:

    The Wolf Totem
    By – The Hu

    With lyrics/ translation in English

    Love reading your articles

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Biff
  80. Cornelius says:

    I hate Thomas Jefferson and ALL Libertarians with a passion, so I’d almost pick the end of the White Race over a Libertarian, who I regard as a sociopath and a criminal, and a lame one at that. At least the Mafia has style. The Mafia is actually interesting.

    I want Libertarians and even Anglos and Nords to not exist as races anymore. I want them FINISHED.

  81. Lloyd1927 says:

    Mongolians are not white, so they are not expected to feel guilty about anything.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  82. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @grimfandango

    The only changes that 300 years have made to the negro is that he has lost his respect for dah man.

  83. @Stay Mad Anglo

    Stay Mad Anglo
    John Philip Sousa was Hispanic. His Colonel listed him as a “greaser”.

    @Anonymouse
    Portuguese not Hispanic. His last name reflects that fact.

    Portugese by way of Ali Baba’s neighbor:
    “Susa was a principal city of the Elamite, Achaemenid Persian, and … The Greek name for the city was Sousa and the Hebrew, Shushan.”

  84. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Lots of us admire martial prowess. It’s akin to admiring athletic prowess.

    Good point.

    The difficulty comes in admitting that one’s peerless knight could have also committed crimes.

    I remember having this conversation with another person a while back…

    I’ve been a big fan of Richtofen since I was a kid – I did a report on him when I was in grade school. He remains a hero of mine. Goering ended up taking over the elite ‘Flying Circus’ squadron in WW1.

    Part of me is torn in wondering what would have happened had the Red Baron lived into WW2. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have been asked to lead the Luftwaffe if not already in charge. Would he have eventually sat in the chair Goering sat in at Nuremburg?

    Guess we’ll never know. He escaped unscathed in that regard and still is as clean a warrior hero – an aerial knight – one could hope for from that age.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  85. @anon

    Actually, NEVER forget the Sauerkraut. It prevents scurvy. Limes go bad in a week, Sauerkraut keeps for months with the Vitamin C intact. The Dutch stocked all their ships, military and merchant, with Sauerkraut, I believe it was the secret of their naval success. The last thing you will find on a military campaign is fresh fruit and fresh vegetables, so you need Sauerkraut. Forget the MREs. Beef Jerky is fast and easy to produce, Sauerkraut for roughage and Vitamin C, dried pureed Squash leather for carbs and your soldiers will be the strongest on the planet, and the beauty of it: no cooking neccesary, your soldiers eat on the go. I use this system canoe camping in North Canada.

    • Replies: @anon
  86. Thomasina says:
    @anon

    “If Ghengis Khan was the most effective doer politician in history, Trump must be one of the most ineffective.”

    In Ghengis Khan’s case, the people he conquered KNEW they were conquered. He had an army and administration that followed his orders.

    In Trump’s case, the people he presides over have NO IDEA they’re been conquered; they still think they rule. Trump gives an order to the conquerors and they ignore it.

    Totally different.

  87. @Talha

    ‘…Guess we’ll never know. He escaped unscathed in that regard and still is as clean a warrior hero – an aerial knight – one could hope for from that age…’

    I’m reminded of a remark about Haile Selassie –who started out as the martyred victim of fascist aggression and the pusillanimity of the democracies, and then the triumphantly restored leader of an independent black African state — but wound up as an ancient and loathed tyrant, finally smothered with a pillow in his prison cell, if I recall aright.

    Basically, his problem was that he lived too long.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Commentator Mike
    , @Ivan
  88. J. Alfred Powell: “Smith comments, quoting Adams, “Adams accepted the story without question. It was ‘a natural and almost unavoidable consequence of that foul contagion in the human character — Negro slavery.’” ”

    Unavoidable, certainly, given human nature. But it’s important to remember that the planters had a financial incentive too to mix with their slaves, since the offspring would have white blood and would be on average more intelligent, with a disposition more adaptable to the requirements of white civilization, thus making them trainable and more valuable as slaves. In the case of Sally Hemings, some of her 7/8 white offspring could pass for white, and did. This spectacle of ostensibly white people being condemned to a life of slavery, which was far from rare, probably contributed to the abolitionist sentiment that was a major cause of the Civil War.

    “In another “jail” were kept the so-called “fancy girls” for fancy purchasers. They were handsome fair mulattoes. Some of them almost white girls … one girl of twelve was so white, that I should have supposed her to belong to the white race; her features, too, were those of the whites. The slave keeper told us that the day before, another girl, still fairer and handsomer, had been sold for $1500. These white children of slavery become, for the most part, victims of crime, and sink to the deepest degradation.”
    -Excerpt from a letter from a Mrs. Bremer, as quoted in Bancroft’s Slave Trading in the Old South

    • Thanks: Bombercommand
  89. @Talha

    Heraclius would be another one. Finally but triumphantly defeated the once-victorious Persians in 627.

    Should have died then — or at least before 636. The Sultan Bayezid (the Thunderbolt) would have done well to have met his end before 1402.

    Conversely, the Baron von Richthofen, as you noted, died in good time. So did Franklin Roosevelt. Franco probably got off the stage just in time.

    Let’s hope Netanyahu lives into a bitter and humiliating old age; the reviled and abused head of a people in exile. I want him needing lavish security for his home in New Jersey — and I want Sara to still be alive!

  90. Crazy Horse says: • Website

    Maybe so Lindh but look what the Mongolians are left with? A small land locked section of Asia much like the Great Sioux Nation who many believe were descendants of the Mongols when Beringia was still open for business and now what of America in general? Now that the nation has reached imperial overreach like Britain which is a rock in the Atlantic nobody who had a choice would live on because of the lousy rainy weather.

    It only goes to show that the rule behind empires. Is the bigger they are the harder they fall.

    All this ragging on about Jefferson. I mean even Russel Means had a soft spot for the man because of the way he articulated the ideals of liberty. Nobody including Jefferson is perfect. We all have flaws.

    Maybe we can all learn from our mistakes.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Bombercommand
  91. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Basically, his problem was that he lived too long.

    Perhaps, but he seemed to have lived long enough to be deified by the Rastafarians, so there’s that.

    Heraclius, Beyazid, etc. – yes good candidates for the early retirement trophy. The longer you live, the longer you skirt with disaster, especially if you’ve built up a prior reputation.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  92. Talha says:
    @Crazy Horse

    All this ragging on about Jefferson.

    Jefferson was always my personal favorite, still is. It is pretty remarkable that so many men of such vision and caliber were around at the same time in the same area.

    Jefferson was one of the four or five, without whom the US was likely an idea that would have been smothered in its cradle.

    Peace.

  93. @Talha

    Nope, I am nauseated, can’t you read? The satanic muzzie cult is nauseating, and muzzies are nauseating. You think you are winning, but you are losing with every comment you make here. Keep up the good work, you’re making it easy for us.

    • Replies: @Talha
  94. @Crazy Horse

    Actually, the Mongolian Steppe is insanely beautiful in Spring, a patchwork carpet of flowers and green grass to the horizon in every direction.

  95. Bob Gwen says:

    Big problem with the land of Jefferson is that the people here are the type that Jefferson himself would find disgusting and contemptible. America is no longer a land of accomplishment nor thought. It is a land of greed, racism, lust and violence. There is no honor in being an American today. There is only survival and acquisition, by all means possible.

  96. Talha says:
    @Bombercommand

    Put me on your ignore list then and don’t reply to me. I didn’t come to you.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  97. Biff says:
    @Bombercommand

    That Swastika decorated fretboard Rocks.

    Yes it does. I love it! To bad people associate it with a tiny moment in its’ benign history, and if it is being castigated out as a symbol of hate then maybe other symbols should go too.

    In the ancient Indian language of Sanskrit, swastika means “well-being”. The symbol has been used by Hindus, Buddhists and Jains for millennia and is commonly assumed to be an Indian sign.
    Early Western travellers to Asia were inspired by its positive and ancient associations and started using it back home. By the beginning of the 20th Century there was a huge fad for the swastika as a benign good luck symbol.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29644591

  98. @gavishti

    Now that’s real Pride, not this pussy homo shit.

  99. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Talha

    Hi Talha and Colin,

    Selassie sent soldiers to South Korea, where Ethiopeans became legendary. Here’s an article:

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/opinion/2020/07/721_291903.html

    Linh

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  100. @Lloyd1927

    Mongolians are not white, so they are not expected to feel guilty about anything.

    And they don’t care what others may expect of them. But whites? At least the Western ones. East Europeans and Russians feel no guilt either and don’t care about what the West expects of them. Yet.

  101. Biff says:
    @gavishti

    Bad ass!!!

    Love that shit!

  102. @Colin Wright

    Haile Selassie –who started out as the martyred victim of fascist aggression and the pusillanimity of the democracies

    And finally martyred by communists. Jah Rastafari, Selassi I – as the dreads say.

  103. YouTube Central Asia Death of Beauty- best internet film ever bar none .

    💋I love you sweet Zarathustran Tajikistan ❤️❤️

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @gT
    , @Dumb4asterisks
  104. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Whoa!!! That is crazy – thanks for that piece of history. I will share it with others. I knew the Turks swerved in Korea, but had no clue that Ethiopians did.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  105. @Biff

    If we had true globalism* then symbols of all cultures would be respected, including this one which was also an ancient Slavic symbol, and not banned or looked down upon as in some white countries. Obviously this western promoted globalism is just a Jewish scam.

    *I’m not sure I would favour any “true globalism” unless maybe as some “internationalism of nationalisms” where each nation is recognised, respected and given its own space to do as it wishes and promote its own culture and traditions instead of having others impose whatever on them, and interaction between nations based on mutual respect and cooperation towards mutual benefits instead of exploitation of one another – idealistic and utopian I guess given how humans are gerenerally.

  106. @Linh Dinh

    ‘Selassie sent soldiers to South Korea, where Ethiopeans became legendary. Here’s an article…’

    I appreciate the link, but the article is suspiciously short on specifics. One wonders how well the battalion actually did.

    This is about all the information actually provided:

    ‘…The Ethiopian soldiers soon gained a reputation. The Chinese feared them. The Kagnew Battalion never left a man behind ― wounded or dead ― and none of their soldiers were ever captured by the North Koreans or Chinese. It was like they were ghosts. Perhaps even more alarming were the rumors of cannibalism by the Ethiopians. Of course, these were false, but they only made the Kagnew Battalion even more terrifying to the enemy…’

    So…any specific engagements they fought and won? Etc.

    Maybe not much to report?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  107. @Colin Wright

    Edit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagnew_Battalion

    Even taking the Wikipedia page with a grain of salt, the Ethiopian battalions seem to have performed credibly.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @Wielgus
  108. Parbes says:
    @Talha

    Your post #41 sure seems like whining, to any normal person.

    The Turco-Mongol Tamerlaine may have nominally been a Muslim (because of the social conditions of the time and place – largely Muslim medieval Central Asia – that he was born and grew up in), but he was anything but an ISLAMIST. Secretly he was probably an unbeliever. He waged war for his own personal aggrandizement as a conqueror, and for the sake of glory, plunder, and living up to the deeds of his all-conquering Mongol ancestors of the previous century – he was NOT a “jihadi”, a Muslim “holy warrior”. He mowed Muslim enemies down in huge numbers, especially in Persia, Syria and the Ottoman lands. His devastating attack on the Ottomans gave early Renaissance-period Europe a crucial half-century respite from the Ottoman onslaught.

    “Multiple Asian Muslim countries claiming him as theirs” is a crock of bullshit – a pathetic attempt to make some hay for their shitholes by trying to associate themselves with the name of an earth-shaking conqueror of the past, through “common religion”.

    As for you – you should’ve STAYED in Pakistan. It borders on downright bizarre, the way those like you would be tripping over yourselves to go live in countries of unbelievers, instead of in that Islamic paradise. 😒

    • Replies: @Talha
  109. Parbes says:
    @Really No Shit

    I know that – his descendants are almost certainly all in the Northern and Central Asia, Mongolia, and Northwest China regions.

  110. Parbes says:
    @NonBlasianLolz

    What a slanted load of crap. The ***WESTERN PART*** of Central Asia was always a contested area between Mongoloid tribes and Iranoid tribes. In the end, the Mongoloid peoples won out because they were BETTER and STRONGER – and also because they lacked the backward toxic “Zarathustran culture and civilization” of the Iranoids.

    And then, the Arab-Islamic conquerors finished off the outdated, useless Zarathustrian Iranoid troglodytes. 🙂

  111. @Biff

    Yep, for me it evokes a running man or a turning wheel, a symbol of vitality and physical mobility. Advertising-wise, a canny choice by Adolph, too bad he was a classic Year Of The Ox: greatly attracted to the performing arts and prone to psychotic chimpouts of destruction.

  112. @Talha

    Nope. Putting other commenters on “ignore” is totally gay.

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
    , @Talha
  113. gT says:
    @NonBlasianLolz

    Jeez dude, first guys claimed previously on UNZ that Genghis Khan was white, now your video claims the Mongols wiped the whites out of central asia. Me is very Confucius.

  114. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Hi Colin,

    Simon Skordiles wrote a whole book about the Ethiopians, and it has been translated into Korean. Here’s an article about it:


    Book spotlights legacy of hushed heroism

    A Greek war correspondent travels across the globe to cover the first armed clash of the Cold War. But instead of trailing the battlefield feats of his countrymen in the Korean War (1950-53), he ends up writing a book on Ethiopian warriors ― yes, warriors, like the stuff of ancient Greek myths.

    It’s not hard to see why the soldiers of Ethiopia, one of the 21 U.N. member nations to send troops into the inter-Korean conflict, struck the fancy of the journalist: The Kagnew Battalion, bound by the motto “one for all and all for one” to “fight until we win or die,” won all 235 of its battles against North Korean forces.

    And true to their motto, there were 124 deaths and 536 injuries but not a single one of the 6,037 warriors went missing or became a prisoner of war. They literally either died or survived to a victorious end, Kimon Skordiles observes in his book.

    []

    Linh

  115. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    Speaking of Turks, here’s a photo I took just a few hours ago.

    In Busan, there’s a large mosque, Al-Fatah, built with Libyan money. It is beautiful. I’ve seen it. Muammar Gaddafi lives on in Korea!

    In Busan, there are also single room mosques serving Indonesians and Uzbeks.

    There are Indonesian and Vietnamese fishermen here. It’s a very rough life, and many of them hardly see land. Even when their boats dock, some are not allowed to disembark.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @mh505
  116. @Talha

    SIR

    I get really sick of these people labeling the entire Islamic world as savage.

    I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather live in Dubai than East LA. Or Detroit. Or any barrio or inner-city in the United States.

    What is so civilized about a trailer park?

    Let me say this, sir. As an average American white guy who as a young man had zero earning power, I was much safer in Dubai than I had been in Phoenix.

    Nobody has chimpouts on public transportation in Dubai or Oman or, from what I could see, Karachi.

    There are no nursing home rapes.

    There are no street gangs corner-dealing crack. There are no meth zombies. There are not tents of homeless everywhere.

    Come to think of it, there are no riots or looting or tearing down public statues.

    When I lived in Dubai I knew oil workers who stayed in UAE simply because they came from cities in Houston or Louisiana where the school system was so awful.

    And as far as grooming is concerned, why are these white girls going off and doing heroin with 30 year old pimps in the first place? Takes two to tango. No 12 year old Muslim girl is going to off with some white guy who looks like Sean Penn or Jax to do drugs.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Kmbr
  117. @NonBlasianLolz

    After viewing the video I feel like going out and killing me a Mongol – they’re so ugly! And if I could bed just one of those angelic Aryans. (I’d be so lucky).

    Much as I agree with your view on genocide (see my post 47) your video drips with an infantile selective visceral propaganda about group looks and characteristics that I am sure the Mongols and everybody also used to enable precisely what you condemn, and which is unfortunately too common on this site too.
    But who am I too criticize the experts on propaganda. It’s a job. May the best propagandist win. They mostly have. For no matter which group, no normal man can look into the mirror or another normal man in the eyes and see only the angel or devil, other than through propaganda’s genocide enabling lens.

  118. @Bombercommand

    Putting other commenters on “ignore” is totally gay.

    So?

  119. Talha says:
    @Parbes

    Your post #41 sure seems like whining, to any normal person.

    Nah, just to you. Probably projection – plenty of people around here still whining about the loss of muh Byzantium to a bunch of under equipped Arabs.

    Secretly he was probably an unbeliever.

    Thanks for your opinion.

    He waged war for his own personal aggrandizement as a conqueror, and for the sake of glory, plunder, and living up to the deeds of his all-conquering Mongol ancestors of the previous century

    Well, Prof. David Nicolle certainly put him in his book of “TheMongol Warlords“, so there’s that.

    “Multiple Asian Muslim countries claiming him as theirs” is a crock of bullshit

    Do you think those Muslim countries care what you opinion is on the matter? What’re you going to do about it? They are still going to keep naming their kids Tamer after you are long gone. Cope.

    As for you – you should’ve STAYED in Pakistan.

    Uh hunh…I also don’t care what you think. Why don’t you work on changing the laws so people like me have to go back? Good luck.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @Colin Wright
  120. Talha says:
    @Bombercommand

    Suit yourself. Aneurysms are no laughing matter.

    Peace.

  121. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Muammar Gaddafi lives on in Korea!

    LOL! Never would have thought. I thought only Turkey was paying for mosques in that area.

    In Busan, there are also single room mosques serving Indonesians and Uzbeks.

    I actually miss those neighborhood “hole in the wall” mosques that I remember from inner city LA. Never would have thought Uzbeks would be there, Indonesians seem a little out of place, but – if I recall – Korea and they have been doing a lot of trade deals and collaboration on even things like jets and submarines. It seems like a very good and mutually beneficial partnership.

    Even when their boats dock, some are not allowed to disembark.

    So they basically live on their boats…? Man, that is rough. I guess they just make seasonal money and then go back (kinds of like I heard some guys go to make money fishing in Alaska for a few months), no?

    Stay safe.

    Peace.

  122. RodW says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The Mongols didn’t make tombs. They exposed the bodies on the Steppe.

  123. @Linh Dinh

    Sorry, but you are falling for the con. Chauvinistic military histories are always fast and loose with the facts and are invariably wild exaggerations of alleged prowess and heroism. British military histories are some of the most ridiculous in that regard. American chauvanistic histories claim victory in every battle in Vietnam, German chauvinistic histories have the Wehrmacht “winning victories even when outnumbered” and destroying five opposition tanks for every German tank lost. I could go on ad infinitum. The Ethiopians did not arrive in Korea until May 1951 when all the hard fighting was done and the front had settled into static holding positions. They operated with sophisticated American artillery and close air support, were folded in with American units, and benefited from the American logistical network. Finally, this sort of history is deeply tainted with the current fashion of representing Black Males as endowed with physical, moral, spiritual, and intellectual superiority to the oh so wimpy, unaccomplished White Boy, in short 100% bullshit.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @Colin Wright
  124. @Linh Dinh

    “You put so much stock in winning wars,” the grubby iniquitous old man scoffed. “The real trick lies in losing wars, in knowing which wars can be lost. Italy has been losing wars for centuries, and just see how splendidly we’ve done, nonetheless. France wins wars and is in a continual state of crisis. Germany loses and prospers. Look at our own recent history. Italy won a war in Ethiopia and promptly stumbled into serious trouble. Victory gave us such insane delusions of grandeur that we helped start a world war we hadn’t a chance of winning. But now that we are losing again, everything has taken a turn for the better, and we will certainly come out on top again if we succeed in being defeated.” Catch 22

    Granted the author was a Jew, probably trying to sap our fighting strength with his nonsense.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @ivan
  125. GT_Void says:

    The only problem is, Khan wasn’t Mongolian, nobody was, there was no country of Mongolia or people. The area was the empire of Grand/Great Tartary- mongol is a word that simply means Great. So on the ancient maps it is Mogul Tartaria as well there was Moghul India- same meaning. Tartaria was a multi-ethnic, ancient empire. It was a huge empire and is basically what was the added on section to Russia to make the USSR. Even Moscow was once Tartaria, they are the ones who built the amazing edifices of the Red Square. There is even a CIA document on how the soviets were actively erasing the knowledge of Tartaria.

    Now, Khan did not appear Asian until the Deep State started rewriting history. Up until the early 1800’s painting hundreds of years old depicted him as a blonde-haired, blue-eyes man wearing slavic attire.

  126. Parbes says:
    @Talha

    “..plenty of people around here still whining about the loss of muh Byzantium to a bunch of under equipped Arabs”

    Byzantium fell to Seljuq and Ottoman Turks (who were very well equipped militarily for their time), not to “a bunch of under equipped Arabs”.

    “Do you think those Muslim countries care what you opinion is on the matter?,,,They are still going to keep naming their kids Tamer after you are long gone.”

    I don’t give a damn what they name their kids, and I don’t give a damn whether they “care about my opinion” or not. I simply stated the incontrovertible fact that it’s nonsensical for them to “claim Tamerlaine as one of their own”, based on religious affiliation. But hey – they’re free to keep naming their kids after the asskicker of their ancestors if they want to. 🙂

    “Why don’t you work on changing the laws so people like me have to go back? Good luck.”

    I cannot understand why you wouldn’t want to live in the Muslim paradise-state of Pakistan? Or in another similar paradise-state, such as Saudi Arabia etc.?

    • Replies: @Talha
  127. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    Not all muslim countries are the same, especially not like the Gulf states. The sprawling ghettos of Cairo and Casablanca have all the vices you mention: drug abuse, crime, violence, prostitution. Heroin addiction is widespread in Pakistan and Iran.

  128. Malla says:
    @Trinity

    Do these leftist morons think that their hero Che Guevara was fond of Blacks and Mexicans?

    Not only that, Che Guevera was a coward psychopath who peed in his pants when facing real enemy soldiers but loved executing harmless people. I cannot believe he is promoted as a hero. Even I had a T-shirt of him because at that time I did not know better. The Communist mass media promotes some shitbag and we like fools who want so seem cool, just believe that these scumbags are “heroes”. I was aghast when I came to know his real biography.
    There is a video scrubbed from youtube by Molyneux on Che Guevera, worth watching. Maybe there in Bitchute.

    • Replies: @jila
  129. Malla says:

    There is an excellent movie on Temujin later to become Genghis Khan called Mongol.

    The movie was directed by a Russian director Sergei Bodrov. It won the academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film.

    • Replies: @Anon
  130. @Parbes

    Talha doesn’t want to be labeled an untouchable by his contemporaries (who can blame him) when one can proclaim oneself a “khan” no less!

  131. @Bombercommand

    ‘Sorry, but you are falling for the con. Chauvinistic military histories are always fast and loose with the facts and are invariably wild exaggerations of alleged prowess and heroism…’

    Yeah — and for a variety of reasons, I’m skeptical that the Ethiopians performed all that
    well.

    On the other hand, it’s very hard to make a convincing silk purse out of a sow’s ear. My suspicion is that the Ethiopians must have performed at least credibly to provide a foundation for such panegyrics.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  132. @Commentator Mike

    ‘Not all muslim countries are the same, especially not like the Gulf states. ‘

    Who’d a thought?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  133. @Talha

    ‘… Uh hunh…I also don’t care what you think. Why don’t you work on changing the laws so people like me have to go back? Good luck.’

    Parbes gets a dubious achievement award. He seems to have managed to get Talha discernibly pissed off.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Parbes
  134. Talha says:
    @Parbes

    not to “a bunch of under equipped Arabs”.

    The dump of Byzantium, yes. They had already lost North Africa, Egypt and the Levant to the under-equipped Arabs.

    I simply stated the incontrovertible fact that it’s nonsensical for them to “claim Tamerlaine as one of their own”, based on religious affiliation.

    Nope. This is your opinion. Tamerlane was a Muslim, built multiple mosques (the grandest one being in Samarqand) and had a footprint that cover multiple Muslim countries.

    I cannot understand why you wouldn’t want to live in the Muslim paradise-state of Pakistan?

    Because, it’s much nicer here in the US.

  135. Kmbr says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Jax…. hmmmm. Never seen that though I may follow too if I did

  136. mh505 says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Speaking of Turks, here’s a photo …

    How come that almost everyone is wearing a mask? Didn’t you tell us that the Koreans took things rather easily on the Corona front?

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  137. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    To be honest, he is stating something I’ve heard multiple people tell me; “you should go back.”

    And my reply is the same; “change the laws to kick me out and I’ll comply”. I came in legally so I have no problems leaving legally.

    I’m giving this guy a couple more swings with his “muh feelz sez Tamerlane was a non-Muslim” before I get bored.

    “ Timur initiated one of the most brilliant periods in Islamic art. Timurid art and architecture provided inspiration to lands stretching from Anatolia to India. Though Timur’s extensive empire itself was relatively short-lived, his descendants continued to rule over Transoxiana as leading patrons of Islamic art…. Many Timurid princes were also prodigious builders—religious institutions and foundations such as mosques, madrasas, khanqahs (convents), and Sufi shrines were the main beneficiaries of their building programs.”
    https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/timu/hd_timu.htm

    So yeah…yawn. One could argue Tamerlane wasn’t a good Muslim, but he and his descendants certainly weren’t anti-Muslim and didn’t attempt to destroy Islam.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Colin Wright
  138. @Talha

    “Its much nicer here in the US” because The United States is built by non-muslim White European Men, who also permit you to practice your retarded cult without interference, spew your satanic muzzie propaganda freely, and snear at non-muslim White Europeans as inferior to muzzies. Are you beginning to understand why we at nauseated by your presence?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Commentator Mike
  139. @Colin Wright

    Who’d a thought?

    Jeff apparently. But his experience is mostly in the well off Gulf states. Well he keeps asking the same questions and making same statements so sometimes I reply.

  140. @Parbes

    ‘I know that – his descendants are almost certainly all in the Northern and Central Asia, Mongolia, and Northwest China regions.’

    I’d add Iran, Russia and the Ukraine, and Europe east through Poland and Hungary.

    I’m sure the Mongols did much to contribute to genetic diversity wherever they went. In fact, a Russian helper I once had commented that occasionally, one would see a Russian girl who was a ‘pure’ Slavic type: blonde hair, round blue eyes. He joked that her ancestors were the ones who had been able to run faster than the other girls in the village.

    Let’s face it; by now there’s probably a little bit of Genghis in all of us. Close enough, anyhow.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  141. @Talha

    ‘Because, it’s much nicer here in the US.’

    That reminds me. Whereabouts in the US have you lived? I often find with foreigners that their notion of ‘the US’ is largely descriptive of the bit they’ve been in.

    That’s true of the natives too, now that I think about it. But anyway…where?

    • Replies: @Talha
  142. gay troll says:

    “I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.” -Thomas Jefferson

    • Replies: @Anon
  143. Talha says:
    @Bombercommand

    because The United States is built by non-muslim White European Men,

    Yup, they build great countries.

    Are you beginning to understand why we at nauseated by your presence?

    Then do something about it. Change the laws to strip me of citizenship and expel me. Telling me how much you hate me or my religion or whatever doesn’t make a difference to me. I never asked for your acceptance. You don’t like Muslims or Islam, so? Get in line.

    If. enough citizens of the US feel the same way; enough to affect a change in the laws, I will take that as an obvious mandate to sell my property and move out. I’m not about to change my life around because some anonymous guy on the internet got triggered.

    Here, I’ll do you a favor, I’ll put you on my ignore list. That way I don’t have to pay attention to you since I’m not getting anything beneficial from this kind of exchange. Now you can do the same with me or keep getting pissed off by my comments. You want to keep wasting your time reading my stuff and raising your blood pressure, fine by me. Rent free.

  144. Ivan says:
    @Dumb4asterisks

    They were an astonishingly cruel race even by low historical standards. About the only people who rendered fat from the bodies of the dead to fuel their war equipment.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Parbes
  145. @Colin Wright

    Military histories don’t need a sow’s ear to make a silk purse, it can be made out of nothing at all. Example from The Battle of Kursk: in a famous action, a small Luftwaffe unit of Henschel 129 “tank busters” claimed 40 Soviet tanks “destroyed” in one day, in one Soviet unit( military intelligence knows the location and identity of opposition units, this is standard). After the war a historian confirmed the location of that Soviet unit and examined the tank loss reports to the higher ups. Tank losses that day were TWO TANKS. Soviet practice was to list even a minor mechanical breakdown as “lost”. To this day Wehrmacht fanboys tell the story of the 40 Soviet tanks “destroyed” as fact.

  146. Ivan says:
    @Colin Wright

    His problem was that as a somewhat naive man he could not figure out that the Communism would send a fiend like Menghistu to destroy a weak holdover country from the mist of history. I had a friend many years back who recalled his youth in Addis as a lovely time. The fall of South Vietnam in 1975 had the effect that as the Americans retrenched , the Soviets and their running dogs the Cubans ran riot in Africa for some years.

    His daughters in captivity would ask for Ovaltine from passing visitors . Poor women. God keep them.

  147. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    We first came to New York when I was six; and it was a pretty miserable first year – chicken pox, bullies, and the crazy cold.

    Moved to Central California (surrounded by Jeff Stryker’s beloved trailer parks – just kidding Jeff) for a few years then Riverside county until I left for college at UCLA and then all over LA and Orange counties until we settled for Illinois around greater Chicagoland.

    I’ve been generally blessed wherever I’ve lived; nice people, good atmosphere.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  148. Ivan says:
    @Talha

    Have to respect your poise.

    • Thanks: Talha
  149. @Talha

    What is your contract with the USA like? Is there a clause that requires you to leave if there is a subsequent change in law regarding permanent residency?

    Retroactive laws are generally against principle.
    I am afraid that your Muzzie-hating co-denizens there are stuck with you for ever and good.

    Of course, if you display any Nazi tendencies, you will be out of there in jiffy but that is the nature of supra-judicial holy terror.

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
    , @Talha
  150. @Oikeamielinen

    Yeah, I notice that you state “citizenship.” That did not help John Demjanjuk.

  151. @Talha

    Like I wrote in comment #113, putting other commenters on the “ignore” list is totally gay.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Druid
  152. mike99588 says:
    @Stay Mad Anglo

    Looking through old 19th century family photos it seemed shocking how cotton blond some ancestor lineages were….

    I was born blue eye blond with wavy hairy, 2% sub saharan….

  153. @Talha

    ‘Moved to Central California (surrounded by Jeff Stryker’s beloved trailer parks – just kidding Jeff) for a few years then Riverside county until I left for college at UCLA and then all over LA and Orange counties until we settled for Illinois around greater Chicagoland…’

    I found Chicago surprisingly pleasant the two or three times I did moves there; sort of…honest.

    Whereabouts in Central California did you live? That is the land of my people, so to speak.

    • Replies: @Talha
  154. @Bombercommand

    ‘Like I wrote in comment #113, putting other commenters on the “ignore” list is totally gay.’

    I don’t think so. Some people just offer nothing of value; not even a target worth the ammunition. Then too, if someone just abuses me for no good reason, well — what can you do with that? It’s not like I can punch him in the nose.

    If it’s for a good cause — like Aaron, or Fran — I’ll make an exception. They provide so many starting points for scoring rhetorical points against the evil entity; it would be a shame to pass them up.

    But in general, the ‘ignore’ feature is a fine thing.

    • Replies: @Talha
  155. @Ivan

    ‘They were an astonishingly cruel race even by low historical standards. About the only people who rendered fat from the bodies of the dead to fuel their war equipment.’

    I’ve always found the Mongols to be a case where relativist values start to break down.

    I can understand, say, a conquistador seeing it as right to forcibly baptize Indians on pain of death; it’s not what I would do, but I can see how he’s looking at it, blah, blah, blah. Turks collecting a levy of Christian children — well, the system worked. A lot of those children grew up to have far more rewarding lives than they likely would have had they just stayed in their villages. I can rationalize it.

    But the Mongols? It starts to become just a horror show.

    • Agree: Druid
  156. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Without too many details, a little over an hour’s drive from Fresno if that rings a bell.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  157. Parbes says:
    @Talha

    “The dump of Byzantium, yes. They had already lost North Africa, Egypt and the Levant to the under-equipped Arabs.”
    Anatolia (Asia Minor), Thrace, and Constantinople, which were lost to Turks, were hardly “the dump of Byzantium” – on the contrary, they were the core and heart of the Byzantine Empire. North Africa, Egypt and the Levant were outlying territories of Byzantium, where the Byzantine imperial authority was already weak and shaky, and mostly confined to thin strips of land. The conquering Muslim Arab armies may have been ***relatively*** underequipped at the very beginning, when they first poured out of the Arabian peninsula; but they more than made up for it with their overwhelming numbers, since precisely at that time the Byzantines were utterly exhausted and depleted in manpower from decades of non-stop warring with Sassanid Persia. In fact that depletion of both the Byzantines and the Persian Sassanids, with no other major power around to challenge them, WAS the main reason why the initial Muslim Arab conquests went so swimmingly. And of course, the relative “underequipment” of the Muslim Arabs disappeared quite rapidly, after the first conquests.

    “Tamerlane was a Muslim, built multiple mosques (the grandest one being in Samarqand)…”
    That was just some PR for the masses of his time and location, dude. 🙂 The guy literally annihilated legions of Muslim enemies. Wiped out entire Muslim populations. Flattened Muslim cities. Etc.

    “…and had a footprint that cover multiple Muslim countries.”
    A “footprint” of conquest and total vanquishment, yes. 😁

    “Because, it’s much nicer here in the US.”
    Wow – an infidel land NICER than shariah paradises with throngs of believers, “grand” mosques everywhere, and the call to prayer ringing out five times a day? How is that even POSSIBLE?? Are you an APOSTATE, or what? And did you ask any people in the U.S. whether they wanted you or not? You don’t have a right to simply pick up and plop yourself down anywhere in the world you want just because it feels “nicer” than your place of origin, you know.

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @Talha
  158. @Talha

    ‘…So yeah…yawn. One could argue Tamerlane wasn’t a good Muslim, but he and his descendants certainly weren’t anti-Muslim and didn’t attempt to destroy Islam…’

    That would be a bit like claiming Bomber Command wasn’t anti-German. After all, Tamerlane did devastate an awful lot of Muslim cities, and killed a whole lot of Muslims.

    …that he professed the same faith as the bulk of his victims strikes me as scant compensation.

    Wouldn’t everyone have been better off if he had been, say, a Clive? Religiously alien but primarily interested in taking over the machine rather than wrecking it?

    In my opinion, the Mongols established a ghastly precedent which Tamerlane then followed. It’s very noticeable: Saladin conquers Jerusalem and virtue-signals like there’s no tomorrow, liberating captives all over the place. A century-plus later Al-Ashraf Khalil takes Acre and kills everybody. In between? The Mongol irruption.

    The norms of warfare across Western Asia plunged. I suspect monsters like Saddam Hussein can trace their ethical lineage to the Mongols and Tamerlane. Could someone like him have committed the crimes he did without those precedents? Moreover, materially Western and Central Asia seem to have begun a decline which has yet to be reversed. Think of the successive civilizations born in Iran and Iraq — which continued after the Islamic conquest. Post-Mongol and post-Tamerlane, there have been a few flickers — but nothing like what there had been in the past.

  159. Parbes says:
    @Colin Wright

    He’s a sitting duck, and he knows it. 🙂 He shouldn’t be aspiring to act as a Muslim Internet commando at all. He’s a total failure at it. 😄

  160. Talha says:
    @Oikeamielinen

    Retroactive laws are generally against principle.

    Generally, but if you have a supermajority you can even change the constitution or overturn amendments. For instance, the 18th Amendment and Volstead Act. Everything is up for game.

    Peace.

  161. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bombercommand

    Beef Jerky is fast and easy to produce, Sauerkraut for roughage and Vitamin C,

    Pemmican isn’t Jerky.
    Air dried, it retains all the vitamins and minerals and keeps for years, jerky is only good for a few months.
    In any case, Mongol horse soldiers made their own and carried it as emergency rations on campaigns.
    No supply trains carrying barrels of sauerkraut to slow them down.

  162. Parbes says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Poland and Hungary” is stretching it a little bit. Most of Russia falls IN Northern Asia; Iran would again be stretching it a little bit, but especially the Northeastern fringes of it could be said to be in Central Asia.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  163. Parbes says:
    @Ivan

    The “cruelty” must be considered in the context of the coeval adversaries that they were facing – medieval Muslims of Central Asia and the Near East, certainly no bunch of angelic beings themselves. Towards those who accepted their suzerainty without putting up resistance, acknowledged Genghis Khan as overlord, and simply paid them a tax, the Mongols were surprisingly tolerant, almost benign, leaving them mostly alone and not interfering in their daily lives.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @ivan
  164. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @mh505

    No, the South Koreans took the coronavirus very seriously right from the beginning, when it erupted in Daegu, and that’s why their society is almost back to normal now, with restaurants, bars and karaoke joints all open. When I got here in late February, there was a palpable sense of distress. Now, the streets are packed and festive again. Near universal mask wearing was a key reason South Korea never had to impose a lockdown.

    • Replies: @mh505
  165. @Parbes

    ‘Poland and Hungary” is stretching it a little bit. Most of Russia falls IN Northern Asia; Iran would again be stretching it a little bit, but especially the Northeastern fringes of it could be said to be in Central Asia.’

    Depending on your sources, the Mongols reduced the population of Iran by between one quarter and three-quarters and halved the population of Hungary. If memory serves, they also invaded Poland twice.

    That obviously involves a great deal of rape as well as murder and pillage — and unless one is prepared to assert the Mongols were always careful to murder their partners after coitus, the inference would be that they added a good deal of genetic material to the surviving population.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  166. @Parbes

    ‘The “cruelty” must be considered in the context of the coeval adversaries that they were facing – medieval Muslims of Central Asia and the Near East, certainly no bunch of angelic beings themselves. Towards those who accepted their suzerainty without putting up resistance, acknowledged Genghis Khan as overlord, and simply paid them a tax, the Mongols were surprisingly tolerant, almost benign, leaving them mostly alone and not interfering in their daily lives.’

    Sometimes. Sometimes they just killed them all anyway.

    Boys will be boys, but compared to the average for other conquerors, the Mongols were in a league by themselves. Their irruption has left scars on the psyche of Russia and Iran that are still discernible. As to Central Asia — well, they had a lot to do with it becoming the desert it is today. The Pre-Mongol irrigation systems were never reestablished.

  167. @Talha

    ‘Generally, but if you have a supermajority you can even change the constitution or overturn amendments. For instance, the 18th Amendment and Volstead Act. Everything is up for game.

    Peace.’

    Generally, people have a remarkable facility for rationalizing whatever it is they want to rationalize.

    Witness affirmative action, the Holocaust, and modern Israel.

    If we decide we want to eat small children, we’ll figure out how it’s just fine. No fear.

    • Replies: @Talha
  168. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    If we decide we want to eat small children, we’ll figure out how it’s just fine.

    And when everything depends on votes, we could technically enact laws to force people to eat their own children – all legal, all above the table. If you have a supermajority, the sky is the limit.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Colin Wright
  169. @Dumb4asterisks

    ‘…Granted the author was a Jew, probably trying to sap our fighting strength with his nonsense…’

    To be fair, Joseph Heller did volunteer in 1942, and served in combat.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  170. @anon

    Beef Jerky is air dried, I make my own so I know and it keeps indefinately, I know that too from experience. Turkey also makes fine Jerky, breast meat is the easiest to deal with. Pemmican is not uniquely different than Jerkey. Pemmican is Jerkey mixed with fat. The North American Indians had to use Pemmican because they only had wild game meat which is too lean. Every hunter knows that venison is too lean to taste good and is generally ground with pork fat for sausage. Commercial beef has enough fat on its own, I use that for my Jerkey. Unless I am missing something, the Mongols had no beef cattle or feed lot techniques to fatten them, and used meat from their horses, and it would be very lean, hence the need for added fat. The Sauerkraut I speak of is not the watery, yellowish sloppy stuff from the grocery. It is crisp, white and green, and the water stays in the cabbage. It is best prepared in glass or ceramic but does not need to transported in “barrels”, any lightweight non breakable container is fine. The Mongols most certainly did have huge supply trains following their “hordes”, you are thinking of Movie Mongols, it is much more glamorous, and easier to film, to show them as autonomous cavalry squadrons sweeping across the Steppe, but that was not the reality.

  171. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    There’s not a shred of evidence that he had sex with any of his slaves.

    But I guess we can’t expect honesty from a leftist.

    • Replies: @ivan
  172. ivan says:
    @Talha

    They’ll find Dean Swift’s Modest Proposal useful,

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm

    • LOL: Talha
  173. ivan says:
    @Parbes

    I guess context somewhat ameliorates their cruelties. But I hope those who are carrying about the cruelties of Semites in particular the old Jews, committed 1,700 to 1,400 years (or is it 1,000 to 700 years according to our Millennial Revisionist), understand what a full-on pagan program of extermination and conquest looks like.

    • Replies: @ivan
  174. ivan says:
    @Dumb4asterisks

    Joseph Heller was not a signed member of the “Jews are forever victims” chorus. In fact he would have been appalled at the destruction of memory and education seen today. He was a satirist, but he would have not been able to satirize what is happening now, on the principle that reality has outrun the threadbare means of satire.

    I am just tagging along to add my 2c, I am sure you are aware of these things.

  175. Anon[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @gay troll

    Fair enough, but you’re a homo troll who sux cok and takes it in the ass.

    What do you think Jefferson and his boys would have done with weirdos like you, if he saw you marching through the streets of Charlottesville in a sodomite “pride” parade?

  176. ivan says:
    @ivan

    …old Jews, committed 1,700 to 1,400 years (or is it 1,000 to 700 years according to our Millennial Revisionist), before the Mongols and the Vikings …

  177. ivan says:
    @Bubba Wallace

    I don’t see how there can be proof of this one way or another.

  178. @Bombercommand

    Talha can afford to be smug as he’s going with the trend but those of us opposed to the spread of Islam in Christian lands are not. I wonder if he keeps a time series chart of the number of Muslims and mosques in USA and other Christian countries as he works to spread his faith among the infidels.

    Let’s see what are the potential threats to his creed:

    1. That masses of believers desert to the growing LGBTQ+ crowd
    2. That masses of Muslims convert to Christianity
    3. That Muslims are expelled by the Christians or some united front of Christians and Jews

    That they will all return to their Muslim countries on their own volition is even less likely. Even if he himself were to pack up and go he would be replaced by 10, 100, 1000 making their own way to the West in no time at all.

    Yes one can hope. Hope for what?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @Talha
  179. Druid says:
    @Bombercommand

    I think your handle suggests you might be gay! Acting all tough and hateful like a hurt little dirt-boy! I’m also tired of your white comments. You on drugs in a shithole somewhere?

  180. Druid says:
    @Parbes

    Half the US population has plopped, moron!

    • Replies: @Parbes
  181. @Talha

    ‘And when everything depends on votes, we could technically enact laws to force people to eat their own children – all legal, all above the table. If you have a supermajority, the sky is the limit.’

    If only it were just democracies. Consider Leopold of Belgium, and his endeavor to ‘abolish slavery’ in the Congo, or Doge Dandolo of Venice, and his pious willingness to help the Fourth Crusade recover Palestine.

    The Turkic rulers of the Muslim principalities confronting the First Crusade felt it was wrong to kill deposed leaders — so they used to brick them up into windowless rooms and let nature take its course.

    People everywhere, at all times, seem to manage to rationalize doing whatever it is they feel like doing.

  182. @anon

    No supply trains carrying barrels of sauerkraut to slow them down.

    Mongols were a special race. Their armies didn’t need “barrels” filled with “food” to be maintained in the field. Good thing too, because 100,000 men would go through a f***ton* of barrels. They needed to merely forage off the fat of the, uh, Central Asian steppes.

    Unfortunately for Napoleon, he did not study the Mongols and his Grande Armée suffered in Russian winter do to their reliance on “barrels” of “food”.

    * If they took enough barrels to fill with flour to last a fortnight between foraging stops at, I guess, settlements in the Central Asian steppe that happen to have enough food on hand to feed 100,000 soldiers, they would need 12,000 barrels. They would need 660 tons of wood to construct these barrels.

  183. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Stephen Ambrose, not exactly an iconoclast about WW2, wrote that Heller’s hypercapitalist Milo Minderbinder was an exaggeration but not an invention.
    After WW2 Soviet literature, especially in the Stalin period, depicted US officers chalking black market prices on the sides of their tanks. They anticipated Catch-22, though perhaps less wittily.

  184. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I doubt personally whether war rape by nomads would change the genetic make-up very much. Firstly because woman who suspect they have conceived from such a rape are likely to try and abort the fetus, or if they give birth abandon it or even practise infanticide. More settled relations of sexual subjection, like African-American female slaves on plantations or Spanish conquistadors with Amerindian women, are the result of more stable societies, not warlike nomads.
    Asiatic features in Central or Eastern Europe are probably the result of Tatar or other Turkic ancestry – some of the Ottomans probably had Asiatic features, but this had little or nothing to do with Genghis Khan or his warriors.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @Colin Wright
  185. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sometimes it is hard to be sure if such comments are a sincere appreciation of fighting value or whether they are a bit of diplomacy designed to pull another country deeper into your own orbit.
    The performance of Turkish soldiers in Korea was generally praised, although some of them were captured in the big Chinese breakthrough in December 1950, but the background intention was to pull Turkey into NATO, which duly took place. One American comment on Turkish soldiers was that they were inexpensive – they did not have to be paid anything like as much as for example, US soldiers did. The Turkish poet Nazim Hikmet, a veteran Communist, stressed the “cheapness” of Turkish soldiers in the eyes of imperialist masters when he commented on the Korean War. Comments on the Turkish soldiers in the Turkish newspapers of the time ludicrously inflated their martial prowess, depicting their commanders fighting their way out of Chinese encirclements, submachine-guns in hand, while clutching the Turkish flag. When the commanders wrote their memoirs, they did not mention such incidents, which were indeed pure chauvinist invention.
    Colombian soldiers were also praised for the same reasons, yet they lost the “Old Baldy” feature to a sudden Chinese attack in 1953.

  186. @Talha

    SIR

    I’ve been on the border of Oman and Yemen, so obviously I’m being slightly rhetorical when I speak of Muslim countries having an overall high living standard.

    On the other hand, I knew a Pakistani banker named Auon in Dubai who spent a year in West Texas and was downright horrified at the level of poverty there. His relatives owned a gas station on the highway and he told me about the horrific antics of tweakers and meth-addicted prostitutes and drug-dealing Cholos.

    I don’t see, however, why Americans hold Pakistanis or even Muslims in general responsible for the fact that the US living standard has plummeted the last 20 years.

    I mean, the US chose to become embroiled in 20 year long wars and the bill came and Americans have to sleep on the sidewalk because the country is bankrupt.

    The rubes and the hicks and the townies and local yokels all want to lay this on Islam, seemingly, but the US chose to bankrupt itself with wars overseas.

    Some guy who is living in some trailer park is telling me such and such country is a hell-hole and he is living in squalor.

    Much of the squalor in the US is self-induced. Out-of-wedlock or teen pregnancy. Drug abuse. Whiggerdom. Porn addiction. Believing the MSM (Narrative) of cocaine addicts writing screenplays over lines of blow and Tequila at Charlie Sheen’s orgy in LA

    Canada did not chose to go to war and its doing well. Australia is doing well. Japan is doing well. America? Well, there are potholes in the airport runways and the infrastructure is positively second-world.

    • Replies: @Talha
  187. mh505 says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Thanks for this clarification, Linh.

    I can to some extent understand why masks were worn before June (even though there is enough evidence out there to question the rationale behind that) but it doesn’t make any sense to wear them now.
    In fact, chances are they will make you ill if worn too long or not changed every few hours.

  188. Parbes says:
    @Druid

    I don’t care what proportion of the U.S. population has plopped, IDIOT. That’s one of the main reasons the U.S. is turning into a shithole. U.S. “plopping” policies are not something to be held up as a shining example for anybody (including the U.S. itself).

    Say, “Druid” (or is it something like “Muhammad”?) – are you yourself one of those who have benefited from the “plopping”?

  189. Parbes says:
    @Wielgus

    Excellent response, you saved me some writing effort. Thanks!

  190. @Commentator Mike

    MIKE

    Sure, I’ve been on the Oman and Yemen border-Dhofar. Lovely area, at least on the Omani side of the border.

    Why are certain groups more successful one place than another. There are reasons, but they are hard to pinpoint.

    [MORE]

    Biden I would not rate highly had his grandparents remained in Ireland. He seems like he’d be an auctioneer there. Maybe a solicitor. Nobody would elect him president, that is for certain. But in America, Irish people became a powerful influential group. Far far more powerful and influential then in London, for example.

    It has also been theorized, for example, that black Americans adopted some of the macho sheep-herding mentality of the Scottish immigrants to the South and took this into crack-dealing with them.

    But I enjoy your responses-you have a sense of humor as well as some insight-and I have a few questions.

    For example, America put a man on the moon in 1969 (Unless it was a hoax) when Dubai was still a backwater fishing village. And yet Dubai now has reached a stage of advancement beyond America. Its infrastructure is superior. Its architecture superior, or at least equal. Its public transport unarguably superior. Why?

    Are you telling me this all because of the blacks and Mexicans?

    America cannot have decent roads because of blacks? Are blacks the reason that Donald Trump commented that the Detroit runway has potholes and Dubai International Airport doesn’t?

    Yes, agreed that US schools are terrible because of minorities. My brother left California because of this. He’s an urban planner who made a fairly good salary and still could not afford private school so he fled California.

    Why then, can Hispanic gangs overrun US schools? Or blacks? Why aren’t they simply expelled? Imprisoned?

    Clearly, the UK has problems with certain groups but Albanian pimps are not destroying the British school system. Nor are Pakistanis.

    You tell me, Mike. What is the difference?

    We could possibly cite the US Military Industrial Complex. Is this the reason? That 20 year wars have simply bankrupted the US?

    Somebody here tell me. Why does the US have a huge deficit?

    And why is there more homelessness in America? Than say, Australia or Japan or Dubai? Why are so many homeless in America white, since this is the problem of blacks too?

    For that matter, on the subject of one posters objection to Talha, why is it that Pakistanis in America have less social pathology than poor whites. Pakistani-Americans are not being ravaged by crystal meth. They are not overdosing on Opoids. They are not suffering massive unemployment? They are not frequently imprisoned. Their daughters were not pimping themselves out to Epstein?

    Why whites.

    And let me finish with this. Why are little 13 year old white girls in UK going off with 30 year old Pakistani men to use heroin in the first place. Are their Mum’s slags? Dad living in Spain and not a part of their life? What is the answer.

    Why don’t these problems affect Jews? Why aren’t little Jewish girls being groomed by Pakistanis? Or even victimized by Epstein. How do their parents raise them differently.

    Another poster suggested that Northern Europeans came from what were formerly high-trust societies while Jews and Asians and Italians came from ancient low-trust civilizations and cunning was inborn. Possibly.

    Of course I’ve raised all of these questions before. But not answered completely. There must be reasons.

    Someone must have an opinion to advance.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  191. @Commentator Mike

    Talblahblah is a stereotypical muzzie propagandist: a smug sinister Amway salesman. If you say “Looks like rain today”, the reply is always “MuzzieAmway has the perfect product for that…cheaper by the case…what address do you want me to send that case of MuzzieAmway to?” Talblahblah is upset with me because I won’t play his game: arguing about the meaning of islamic doctrine. This accomplishes two things: First, Talblahblah will always “win” because muzzies are trained for this, they always have a different interpretation to throw in your face and if all else fails they use the Appeal To Authority Fallacy(don’t try to tell me what islam is I’m a muzzie) or The Not A True Scotsman Fallacy(ISIS ain’t true muzzies). Second, and most importantly he has you talking about islamic doctrine again, and again, and again, mission accomplished. With Talblahblah I go straight to the neck: the muzzie cult is nauseating and muzzies are nauseating. This stymies a muzzie because even muzzies are nauseated by the muzzie cult, especially their women. They can’t admit it because they are trapped in the muzzie echo chamber. The muzzie cult, outside of its hermeticly sealed communities, is self limiting because it can’t compete with White Western Culture. The muzzie girls see Western girls bouncing around in bikinis or even hanging out at the nude beach talking to guys and everything is totally normal and the muzzie girls WANT THAT. The greatest weakness of islam is it is held in place by the men. The strength of Christianity is it is held in place by the women. The husband that won’t go to Church would never dream of stopping his wife from taking the kids to Church, and when he visits his Mom, he goes to Church with her and sings the hymns, hell even I do that with my Mom and I’m not a Christian.

  192. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    As far as the difference in the quality of couloured immigrants in US and EU & UK, the Europeans probably get a worse class of Africans and Asians as it’s nearer and easier to get to than US, but obviously the worst of the Mexicans and Latin Americans can get to the US just as easily while the ones from that region who make it over to Europe don’t tend to be of the same low quality because of the distance, effort, and funding required to make the trip. But I guess there are some exceptions with Somalis in the US and Sudanese in Australia who seem to be of the worse quality.

    Countries rise and decline for various economic and social reasons, and the quality of infrastructure is obviously better in newer states such as those in the Gulf. And then they have their oil wealth. I guess US doesn’t put much into maintenance of its infrastructure and at one time, in its heyday, Detroit and LA were the equivalent of say Qatar and Dubai. Also the type of liberal capitalism practiced in the US is markedly different from that in other countries (Canada, Australia, western Europe, wealthy Arab countries) since it charges people for all sorts of social services that are freely available to citizens elsewhere. That is fine when the economy is on an upswing and people can afford all they need, but when it slides downward, problems arise and the poorest suffer the most. Muslim absolute monarchies, those which are wealthy at least, do not neglect their own citizens and either provide free social services or give opportunities to their citizens to accumulate some wealth, perhaps not enough to rival the rulers but enough by standards elsewhere, or both, making it even better for their nations. But of course at the cost of no democracy or freedom of speech and expression if it threatens the power and position of the ruling monarchical clique, much like the communist regimes of old. In fact some Muslim monarchies are like communism on a higher level of general wealth and living standards for their own people. And of course they control their borders strictly, also like the old communists, and foreigners who make it there generally have a purpose, are their to work and earn money they invest in their own homes and families back home knowing they don’t have a long term future there so they are not as likely to make trouble or threaten the safety and status of the locals. All very different from the West in relation to immigrants.

    Another thing to note is that the decline in US social norms seems to have been parallel with the rise of what they call Cultural Marxism, the promotion of all those unconventional ideologies and lifestyles: feminism, LGBTQ+, porn, drugs. This has affected family structure, which is also a type of social net in traditional societies. Still, the US is not as “free” as people may think since it imprisons people for all sorts of misdemeanours and minor offences, and this can ruin people’s job prospects and future, relegating them to the underclass. Probably employment rehabilitation programmes for convicts are not as well developed as in some other countries so more of them slide back into crime upon release.

    Regarding homelessness, I’m baffled why it is so widespread in the US. It can’t be for lack of housing. There must be a lot of vacant properties considering the bank repossessions, as who are they then selling these properties to if the economy is in decline and people can’t afford mortgages? And especially now with this coronavirus there must be even many empty hotels that are doing no business and could at least temporarily house the homeless and be used for quarantines and self-isolation of Covid-19 positive homeless people. I guess it’s just naked heartless capitalism at work. And many of the boomers in US think it’s still the 50s and 60s and that it’s the fault of the victims of the economic downturn for their own situation. But considering that far more immigrants are now competing with the locals than at the time the boomers were young, and willing to work for far less and in worse conditions than a normally evolved capitalist society geared towards its own citizens (like Gulf absolute monarchies), it’s not surprising that many want to drop out of the system but their are no alternatives for them to become economically viable. Individualism also doesn’t help in harsh circumstances when people need to assist each other to make it through the bad times.

    Also US and EU foreign policy is horrendous. It only supports those countries that promote US policies and hence the wealthy Gulf states are allowed to survive and carry on. On the other hand, those that go counter to their policies, like Iraq and Libya, societies which had strong economies, high standards of living and social benefits for their citizens far outweighing many western countries are just outright destroyed fueling the flood of those immigrants who then contribute to the decline of the West, kind of like a boomerang.

    Other reasons … ?

    Oh, the Thais must be shocked by the disrespect for the flag and history they see in the US. They could never envisage someone doing that … at least they never would do so to their own. Or maybe they’re happy as it’s happening to the falung, who many seem to think deserve it because of their misdeeds to others. I guess patriots of many countries in the world would never disrespect their own flags, monuments, and history, but think the US, UK, France deserve it, and a lot worse.

  193. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    But in general, the ‘ignore’ feature is a fine thing.

    Totally. And since I have a presence on Twitter also, I have found the black and mute features to be very useful. Hindutva trolls show up and offer nothing of use and since I don’t feel like get into a “Pajeet this” and “Pajeet that” contest like others do, I simply mute them. Parbes seems to be at least offering some feelz that I can use to refute with citations for others, so there is some benefit to that interaction. BC here is offering none of that and has been added to my growing list of gay (for some odd reason) commentators that I will ignore. Now he is just a small speed bump along my page as I scroll.

    If some guy keeps knocking on your door and whenever you open it for him, he walks in and pisses on your carpet and runs out…well, you figure out that you should simply not open the door for him any more.

    They provide so many starting points for scoring rhetorical points against the evil entity; it would be a shame to pass them up.

    There you go – again, some provide a side benefit.

    …that he professed the same faith as the bulk of his victims strikes me as scant compensation.

    Agreed, which is why I wouldn’t go out on a limb and call him a “good Muslim”.

    In my opinion, the Mongols established a ghastly precedent which Tamerlane then followed.

    Totally agree. He was a Muslim, but as regards warfare, he was squarely following the tactics they employed in getting belligerent rulers or populations to heel. Which is why military historian David Nicolle put in him his book of “The Mongol Warlords: Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, Hulegu, Tamerlane”.

    I tend to agree with Steven Pinker’s assessment (in his book on historic violence) that:
    “High-throughput massacre was also perfected by mounted hordes from the steppes, such as the Scythians, Huns, Mongols, Turks, Magyars, Tatars, Mughals and Manchus.”

    They set a very high bar that would probably only be matched, thanks to technological advancement, in the industrial-level massacre of the 20th century.

    The point of my original comment was that – people seem to forgive “winners” a lot of faults. So even though Tamerlane killed a lot of Muslims, kids are still named after him in the countries where his empire once stood. Maybe that’s just human nature as you were alluding to. I mean, he may have killed off a bunch of people, but obviously not THEIR direct ancestors otherwise they wouldn’t be around now to name their kids after him.

    Now that does bring me to one historical figure (that I know of) that seems to have gone against this trend. I don’t know if you have heard of Hajjaj ibn Yusuf ath-Thaqafi, the Ummayyad governor and general. He was absolutely brutal in his campaigns to crush any dissent, going to the extent of killing Companions (ra) and their direct students and even using catapults in Makkah, which partially destroyed the Kaaba. Anyway, they guy was certainly a “winner” in the military sense, but he basically killed that name. If you ever hear the name “Hajjaj” it refers only to him. I don’t know of anyone named “Hajjaj” after him due to the association with that name. I’ve come across people with the last name “Hajjaj” who may or may not be descendants, but I have never come across a person in real life or in the history books named Hajjaj.

    Also, you may enjoy this joke*.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    An eleven-year-old Jewish boy was failing maths. His parents tried everything from tutors to hypnosis; but to no avail. Finally at the insistence of a family friend, they decided to enroll their son in a private Catholic school and take him out of the Jewish school.

    After the first day, the boy’s parents were surprised when he walked in after school with a stern, focused and very determined expression on his face. He went straight past them, right to his room and quietly closed the door.

    For nearly two hours he worked away in his room with maths books strewn about his desk and the surrounding floor. He emerged long enough to eat,and after quickly cleaning his plate, went straight back to his room, closed the door and worked feverishly at his studies until bedtime.

    This pattern of behaviour continued until it was time for the first term’s report. The boy walked in with it unopened laid it on the dinner table and went straight to his room. Cautiously, his mother opened it and to her amazement, she saw a large black ‘A’ under the subject of Maths.

    Overjoyed, she and her husband rushed into their son’s room, thrilled at his remarkable progress. “Was it the nuns that did it?” the father asked.

    The boy shook his head and said “No.”

    “Was it the one to one tutoring? The peer-mentoring?”

    “No.”

    “The textbooks? The teachers? The curriculum?”

    “No”, said the son.

    He explained:-

    “On that first day, when I walked in the front door and saw that guy nailed to the plus sign, I KNEW they meant business!”

  194. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Talha can afford to be smug as he’s going with the trend but those of us opposed to the spread of Islam in Christian lands are not.

    The problem here is that Christians dropped the ball on that one. They are leaving their religion behind in droves, Muslims had little to do with this. Even if you kicked us all out, this would not be reversed by the expulsion. We are simply buying out abandoned churches for pennies on the dollar. I myself have attended mosques that used to be churches. Where there is a natural vacuum, it will be filled – there is a spiritual vacuum in the West and they are trying to fill it with “stuff”, but that’s not how human beings work. And the West is about to find this out, read Belloc.

    And sicne this is mostly off topic, as a courtesy to others…see below the MORE tag.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Let’s see what are the potential threats to his creed

    Atheism and secular Left-liberalism is the biggest threat (as it is to all religions). The numbers are fairly clear – we lose about as many as we gain. We lose most to atheism and our biggest inflow is from Christianity:

    “Like Americans in many other religious groups, a substantial share of adults who were raised Muslim no longer identify as members of the faith. But, unlike some other faiths, Islam gains about as many converts as it loses.”
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/26/the-share-of-americans-who-leave-islam-is-offset-by-those-who-become-muslim/

    We lose people like this:

    And pick up people like this (who liked the modesty aspect of Islam):

    So we have people repelled by and attracted to Islamic aesthetics. But there is little doubt that we pick up family-oriented people and lose people without much interest in families. Most converts I know (that converted when young) have at least 3 kids (one brother has like seven). Our apostates are simply dead weight that not even people like yourself want around; you want more and more Left-liberal brown people?

    Even if he himself were to pack up and go he would be replaced by 10, 100, 1000 making their own way to the West in no time at all.

    I may well move – everything is up for consideration. The wife and I have talked about moving to the Muslim world if things get bad here, the current top contenders are; Turkey, Egypt and UAE.

    A former member of Tupac’s crew, Napoleon, moved to Saudi Arabia with his family and has opened a restaurant and cafe there. He reports of a growing expatriate American community in Saudi:

    But I do NOT encourage any more immigration to the West from Muslim lands precisely because one’s faith is in danger over here – it is not for the faint of heart or those that are not willing to make the sacrifices to keep the religion in their future generations. It is not the same environment as it was in the 1980s when my father brought us over. It is far, far better to live in a hut with a leaking roof and keep one’s faith than to live in a mansion in the West and lose it.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
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  195. @Commentator Mike

    The safety and such of places like the UAE is purely mythological.

    Reporting the truth is a punishable offense there, but the truth is obvious for anyone who steps outside the resort bubble lifestyle that many locals and Western expats move.

    In the two years I was there:

    The Fillipino Embassy in Abu Dhabi was FULL of hundreds of “runaway” nannies/maids who were tired of being raped and beaten regularly.Th

    There were labor camps full of muslim brothers who had not been fed or paid for months.

    There were plenty of occasions where I was CLEARLY being measured for acts of criminal intent, but escaped by being rather experienced in dealing with such things in American ghettos.

    I accidently stumbled into illegal, but well known brothels and sex parties that took up entire floors of hotels.

    I’ve been solicited by teenage local girls.

    Easy access to booze and drugs too.

    The place is a shithole with a veneer of wealth that makes the low quality product seem better than it actually is.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  196. Talha says:
    @Parbes

    Anatolia (Asia Minor), Thrace, and Constantinople, which were lost to Turks, were hardly “the dump of Byzantium”

    You are right, I posted a typo – it should have been “rump of Byzantium”.

    The conquering Muslim Arab armies may have been ***relatively*** underequipped at the very beginning

    They were under-equipped. There is barely any metallurgy or weapons-making technology to speak of from those people, they were literally importing swords in from as far away as India. Compare this to the long history that both Persia and Byzantium had in forging both weapons and producing them at a large scale.

    but they more than made up for it with their overwhelming numbers

    This is hardly the case. The Muslims had just fought a very bloody civil war among themselves to unite the Arabian peninsula after the set of revolts that led to the Ridda Wars. On top of that, they were fighting on three fronts simultaneously and were outnumbered at every engagement that they had with Byzantium and Persia (sometimes close to a factor of two). This is even accounting for a reassessment of the numbers by modern military historians. And add to that, they never had experience in large scale battles – something that the Persians and Byzantines had many, many centuries of combined experience in. Hell, the Persians and Byzantines were losing so badly they decided to fight with their combined forces together against the Muslim and STILL lost. So yeah, you are free to make yourself feelz better about it by avoiding serious military history like this:

    Which talks about what I have mentioned and the author states, from the get-go:
    “The early Islamic conquests rank amongst the most remarkable feats of arms in world history, being carried out by small and indeed often tiny armies, which were nevertheless some of the most successful ever seen….Nevertheless, however one seeks to explain these early Islamic conquests, they remain extraordinary and truly heroic.”

    In fact that depletion of both the Byzantines and the Persian Sassanids, with no other major power around to challenge them, WAS the main reason why the initial Muslim Arab conquests went so swimmingly.

    And yet they still outnumbered the Muslims at every engagement and still managed to lose. So what would have been a fair fight exactly; 4 Byzantines for every 1 Muslim soldier on the battlefield?

    The guy literally annihilated legions of Muslim enemies.

    Yup…with Muslim armies. See my comment to Colin.

    Wow – an infidel land NICER than shariah paradises with throngs of believers

    Materially, yes – no doubt about it. Though places like some of the Gulf countries can easily give many Western countries a run for their money in this regard. But the West is materially well ahead of places like Pakistan.

    How is that even POSSIBLE??

    Well, I just explained it, it is nicer in a material sense. Secular societies that are becoming increasingly materialist by the day tend to build – GASP – materially high-standard societies.

    Are you an APOSTATE, or what?

    Nope. But this is the reason why I would discourage every Muslim from coming to the West. The rates of apostasy are getting scary. The West of today is not the West of the 80s when my father brought us here.

    And did you ask any people in the U.S. whether they wanted you or not?

    Well my father went to the US embassy (who is supposed to represent the people of the US and their policies) in Pakistan, stood in line, filled out forms and was accepted. Some of my other aunts/uncles were not. This happens in embassies from Manila to Warsaw to London to Caracas. If he wasn’t accepted, he wouldn’t have come, simple as that. If you want to be pissed off at somebody for the situation, be pissed off at the people who changed the rules to allow people like my father to come.

    You don’t have a right to simply pick up and plop yourself down anywhere in the world you want just because it feels “nicer” than your place of origin, you know.

    Sure you do. People do it all the time. Ask Jeff Stryker here who has lived in many places across the world and now lives in Southeast Asia (I think). You apply at the country’s embassy and ask for permission for a temporary or permanent right to stay and they either accept or they don’t based upon whatever parameters they have set. You have every right to ask any place to accept you as a resident and they have every right to accept or deny you that privilege.

    You seem to think I owe you a justification. I don’t. I’m here LEGALLY. The law is on my side, the same law my father followed to the letter in applying to get here and the same law I’ll follow if it is changed to legally expel me and my family.

    So what’re YOU going to do about it other than yell at me across the internet?

    • Replies: @Parbes
  197. Talha says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I don’t see, however, why Americans hold Pakistanis or even Muslims in general responsible for the fact that the US living standard has plummeted the last 20 years.

    Because people generally don’t like to take responsibility for their own condition. It’s always nicer to pass the buck onto someone else. You get this in parts of the Muslim world that blame the West or Israel or whatever without taking any responsibility.

    People these days are keen to be defined by their victim status and that has spread to every facet of society.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  198. @Talha

    People these days are keen to be defined by their victim status and that has spread to every facet of society.

    Yup. Everyone copying the Jews! They see it pays so why not copy and give it a try.

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    , @Jeff Stryker
  199. Bubba Wallace: “There’s not a shred of evidence that he had sex with any of his slaves. ”

    Certainly not if you throw out the DNA evidence, and the historical evidence, and the circumstantial evidence. But the Thomas Jefferson Foundation admits it’s true anyway.

    https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-a-brief-account/monticello-affirms-thomas-jefferson-fathered-children-with-sally-hemings/

    Those lying bastards!

  200. For all of you turned onto The Hu by Linh’s excursion into the underground Mongol restaurant here’s their Covid-19 benefit concert, presumably without much of a live audience but recorded for video release showcasing their showmanship. It opens with an interview and the gig starts at 6 min:

  201. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It’s infesting the Muslims in the West as well, so I’m glad discussions like this are happening to push back:

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Victimhood culture is antithetical to traditional Islamic ethos; it’s pathetic and lets you wallow in your own misery while not doing a damn thing to take ownership or responsibility for your situation or trying to correct yourself or the issue at hand – and certainly not appealing to God for help:

    You will not find an example of the Prophet (pbuh) begging the Quraysh for mercy or to take it easy when they were persecuting him and his followers:
    “We complained to Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) (of the persecution inflicted on us by the unbelievers) while he was sitting in the shade of the Ka`ba, leaning over his Burd (i.e. covering sheet). We said to him, ‘Would you seek help for us? Would you pray to Allah for us?’ He said, ‘Among the nations before you a (believing) man would be put in a ditch that was dug for him, and a saw would be put over his head and he would be cut into two pieces; yet that (torture) would not make him give up his religion. His body would be combed with iron combs that would remove his flesh from the bones and nerves, yet that would not make him abandon his religion. By Allah, this religion (i.e. Islam) will prevail until a traveler from Sana (in Yemen) to Hadrarmaut will fear none but Allah, or a wolf as regards his sheep, but you (people) are hasty.’” – reported in Bukhari

    Losers whine, A LOT, that’s how you can tell they are losers…winners pick themselves up, dust themselves off, learn from their mistakes and say; OK, let’s give this another shot and do it better this time.

    It’s one of the reasons I don’t waste much time with the guys around here that opine about how they don’t like me and want me to leave. OK, you don’t like me, so what? What’re you going to do, cry about it? I’m not begging for your acceptance and I’m not begging to be allowed to stay. You want to kick me out, go for it, I’m not going to whine if you’re successful, I’ll just pick up with life wherever I do end up; wherever Allah wants me to end up. It was a good 40 odd years, no complaints.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  202. @Talha

    Yes Talha, I forgot to mention the atheists who are most prominent in traditionally Christian countries but I wasn’t sure if they should go under “1” in my list as an addition to the LGBT crowd or as a separate entry. Thanks for pointing them out.

    BTW, in the late 1980s in US I met an Algerian bloke in his early 30s who seemed fairly regular in his appearance and nothing like a proselytizer but he told me he travelled around the country opening mosques. It struck me as rather odd at the time since I didn’t think that there was a demand for such. I was only aware of black American Muslims and hardly saw any Arabs or Pakistanis there.

    What you mentioned about churches being converted to mosques, in the UK I lived in a street where there was a church opposite that I used to walk past and nobody was attending it. Then one day as I walked past it there was a note pinned to its door that it was now a mosque which surprised me. There was a synagogue just around the corner but no such luck to see that one taken over by Muslims. I’ve also seen other churches in the UK converted to offices and other uses.

    • Replies: @Talha
  203. @Talha

    Losers whine, A LOT, that’s how you can tell they are losers…winners pick themselves up, dust themselves off, learn from their mistakes and say; OK, let’s give this another shot and do it better this time.

    Good attitude. But sometimes the forces that you have to deal with and overcome are so overwhelming that it’s hard to do that. Look at the state of Libya now, it’s become a battleground for all these foreign forces after being destroyed by western powers. What is some Libyan who lost everything supposed to think and do? And there was once a time when other Arabs looked up towards Libya and wished they had a leader like Gaddafi to bring them out of their poverty and misery.

    • Replies: @Talha
  204. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I’ve also seen other churches in the UK converted to offices and other uses.

    Yup – it’s bad and getting worse; Christian outlets have been reporting it.

    I used to walk past and nobody was attending it.

    “In some cases, a congregation or a religious governing body — say, a Catholic diocese — will sell the church to developers, who then turn them into apartments, offices, art galleries, museums, breweries or performance spaces.”
    https://www.cnn.com/style/article/empty-churches-conversation/index.html

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Is this the fault of Muslims? Not even close. I mean, I personally donate to multiple mosques in my area and charities that spread Islam. How many people here that would be first in line to complain and whine about churches closing down would also be first in line to donate to help keep, say, four of them afloat in their locale? Look at France, they literally force money out of people to help keep the churches afloat and the STILL don’t have the funds to pay to keep them maintained and have to destroy them.

    People make fun of us for prioritizing our religion overly worldly matters. OK, well we see what happens when you prioritize worldly matters over religion. They can keep laughing while whistling past the graves of dead churches.

  205. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Look at the state of Libya now, it’s become a battleground for all these foreign forces after being destroyed by western powers.

    Absolutely, but the local Libyan can concentrate on whatever he can do to make things better in his own sphere of influence. If that means only being able to fix his own village from falling apart, then that’s all that’s expected of him and that’s all he will be accountable for. And if enough Libyans are able to concentrate their efforts on their own villages, then the outcome of the “Great Game” politics will affect their personal lives even less.

    A good number of the problems of the world stem from too many people spending time complaining about issues that they have no control over while largely neglecting those things they can actually do something about.

    What is some Libyan who lost everything supposed to think and do?

    Be patient and know that there is a Lord that will reward him for this:
    “We will certainly test you with an amount of fear and hunger and loss of wealth and life and fruits. But give good news to the steadfast. Those who say, when afflicted with calamity: ‘To Allah We belong, and to Him is our return’.” (2:155-156)

    “If Allah loves a people, then He afflicts them with trials. Whoever is patient has the reward of patience, and whoever is impatient has the fault of impatience.” – reported in Musnad Ahmad

    “Verily, with greater rewards come greater trials. Verily, when Allah loves a people he will test them. Whoever is pleased will be satisfied, and whoever is displeased will have indignation.” – reported in Tirmidhi

    Peace.

  206. @Commentator Mike

    Why didn’t the US have a war in Ireland for 20 years after McVeigh conducted the Oklahoma bombings?

    I mean McVeigh was loosely inspired, according to him, by his IRA grandfather’s exploits. He may have had connections to Sinn Fein and himself claimed the IRA was involved in the bombing (Which Gerry Adams denied).

    But you see my point.

    Americans chose to bankrupt their country with a 20 year war in the ME over a single (ALLEGED) act of terrorism. Which was horrendous, but took place twenty years ago.

    The US did not declare war on Ireland when McVeigh began stating his connections to Sinn Fein (Which were probably bogus).

    So I don’t see how posters can attribute the problems to Talha. Muslims will no sooner take over the US than Sinn Fein would conquer Oklahoma because was Irish-American malcontent loser imagined he was a freedom fighter with connections to the IRA.

    Talha is not the problem in the US.

    He is not responsible for the underclass wallowing in its own social pathology of meth abuse, opoid overdose, teen pregnancy, whiggerdom, incest, sloth, cretinism etc. etc.

    As for Dubai having its share of drug users and whore mongers who have Russian hookers (Known locally as “Natashas”) snorting blow off their erect members in some sleazy hotel behind closed doors…so what?

    Sure, this went on in Dubai. I smoked hashish a time or two there myself.

    That’s different than being attacked on the street by Mexican or black gangs.

    Nobody is mugged in Dubai. That is nonsense.

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  207. @Tulips

    Jefferson not only read the Bible, but produced his own edited version. (See: Jefferson Bible). Jefferson admired the New Testament but deleted most of the claims that involved miracles or were contrary to the laws of nature.

    As for the Old Testament Jefferson basically tossed it away. He disdained the Hebrew view of God as told in the Torah, calling it “cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust”.

    PS- Thanx, Linh, for this excellent article.

  208. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    US didn’t attack Israel who did far worse to it than the IRA ever did, with what happened to the Liberty. And who would they attack even if it is true about McVeigh? The UK? As the IRA is mainly based in Northern Ireland and not the Republic. But 911 was all bogus. Even if it was Al Qaida why attack Iraq, who had nothing to do with it?

    Talha doesn’t seem the kind of guy who would present a threat to anybody personally, unlike those Mexicans you keep mentioning. But it’s the kind of people you get. Probably most Mexicans and Brazilians who emigrated to the UK are less of a danger to anybody than the Pakistanis and Arabs there, as I explained before. Some of those Moroccans cross the Gib straits to Spain and when they get expelled from Europe they do the same again. Some have done the same crossing several times, 5, even more times. Just like those Mexican criminals who get thrown out and keep coming back across the border again and again.

    But Talha does promote Islam, and is open about it, which is fair enough, but then that’s another issue, Do you want such in US/EU since their countries of origin don’t reciprocate and allow Christians to convert Muslims, or even atheists to propagate their views? On the basis of diplomatic reciprocity one should do to others as they do to you – as a matter of policy.

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  209. jila says:
    @Malla

    A true hero: general Soleimani. He spent his entire life pushing back Zionist trained mercenaries.

    • Replies: @Malla
  210. Parbes says:
    @Talha

    You haven’t disproved a single point in my earlier post, you incompetent third-rate Islamist shill. (Probably because you couldn’t even understand it well enough to evaluate it properly LOL 😆). Everything that you wrote here consists of emotional word diarrhea, an attempt to “weasel-talk past” what I said, and a bunch of non-sequiturs and assertions-without-evidence pulled out of your unwashed behind.

    Wow – you actually managed to paste a picture of the front cover of a book onto the screen!! For some reason, certain retards like you on this and other websites seem to think that pasting a huge picture of something in the middle of a blog comment “awes” the reader and makes your argument “stronger”. No it doesn’t, doofus – all it does is show that you have a substandard mind at the level of a silly pre-adolescent. (Not to mention the fact that, only a semi-educated fool thinks that one book by one author is the be-all end-all of learning about an era of world history).

    Perhaps the choicest morsel of your stupid post is this:
    “The guy literally annihilated legions of Muslim enemies.
    Yup…with Muslim armies.”
    Tamerlaine’s army was composed of Mongols, Turco-Mongols and Turks from Central Asia, you blithering moron. Their religious affiliation or lack of it at that time, is irrelevant. They were NOT Muslim Arabs, Muslim Iranians, Muslim Afghans etc. – and CERTAINLY NOT ratty “Pakistani Muslims” LOL. 😆 Plus as I wrote, Tamerlaine himself fought for personal glory as a conqueror and empire-builder – not in the name of Islam as a jihadi.

    “…the West is materially well ahead of places like Pakistan….it is nicer in a material sense. Secular societies that are becoming increasingly materialist by the day tend to build materially high-standard societies.”
    Those “material benefits” are supposed to be for those societies’ OWN PEOPLE – not for Pakistani Muslim immigrants, idiot.

    “Ask Jeff Stryker here who has lived in many places across the world and now lives in Southeast Asia…”
    I don’t give a damn where Jeff Stryker lives or has lived. And anyway, Jeff Stryker is not an Islamist immigrating to a non-Muslim country, so that puts him in a QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT category than the likes of you. 🙂 (Actually I don’t think the vast majority of Westerners should be allowed to simply move wherever they want, do whatever they want, and make the world “their oyster”, either – but that’s a totally different discussion).

    “So what’re YOU going to do about it other than yell at me across the internet?”
    Obviously, the prevention of immigration to/removal from a nation of an Islamic population of your ilk, is a task at a scale that can be accomplished effectively only by governmental action, not by individuals acting alone like me or anyone else. However the thing I notice is that, your petulant arrogance and challenge-issuing Internet tough guy persona seem to have grown apace with the ego-stroking and egging-on of your circle of boyfriends here such as “Colin Wright”, “ivan” etc. Well if you’d really like a one-on-one face-to-face discussion to “flesh out” differing viewpoints, as it were, that could certainly be arranged. Then we’d see if your big mouth functions as well in the real world, as behind a keyboard.

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    , @Jeff Stryker
  211. Hacienda says:

    Genghis Khan was a pioneer of globalism, in short.

    Funny, Linh. You’re still in Busan. I stopped liking kimchi about 30 years ago. Loved it as a kid. But it does wear down the taste buds.

    We got the Mongol biker gang. Headquartered in Montebello, not far from where I live.

    I had an excellent July 4rth in West Covina. There’s this tradition of San Gabriel Valley fireworks each fourth. The entire valley is lit up by each (Mexican) house taking it upon themselves to have their own fireworks show to the benefit of themselves and their neighborhood.

    This year was extra special due to the shut in, lock down. Your typical sponsored fireworks show is lame. In SGV, the show is put on by everyone for everyone and lasts for hours and is spectacular if seen the right way. In my case, I rode my bike around my neighborhood and got splendid close up views of fireworks going up everywhere in 360. The Mexicans were taking it in with their lawn chairs set up in sidewalks and cul-de-sacs.

    I used to dislike the way Mexicans in the valley did the 4rth and next year I may return to disliking it, but this year was pretty special.

    BTW, Linh, that restaurant looks like a dizzying dump. Being an “outside” people, Mongols could use some culture of interior decoration. You should also do some piece that works in Yi Sun Shin while your there. Yi is the Asian God of Defense to Khan’s Offense. Immovable object vs irresistible force.

  212. Talha says:
    @Parbes

    No it doesn’t, doofus – all it does is show that you have a substandard mind at the level of a silly pre-adolescent.

    Uh hunh…so your feelz plus insults in response to my citing of an actual military historian. Not surprising really.

    Their religious affiliation or lack of it at that time, is irrelevant.

    To YOU who thinks mainly along ethnic/racial lines. Not to Muslims living in the same countries they conquered.

    Actually I don’t think the vast majority of Westerners should be allowed to simply move wherever they want

    At least you are consistent.

    is a task at a scale that can be accomplished effectively only by governmental action, not by individuals acting alone like me or anyone else.

    Exactly my point, so here you go, here is some actual advice that may get you somewhere that I gave to someone else:

    I suggest getting with your congressmen/senators and proposing legislation to add amendments to the Constitution to make exceptions to the religion-neutral clauses to make exceptions for Islam and Muslims. A super-majority will likely be required. A good strategy would be to come up with a strong single-issue advocacy group like the NRA (in fact, you may want to work with them and get guidance from them). Once this initial step is accomplished, the doors will be open legally for; 1) stripping Muslims of citizenship, 2) excluding them from certain areas of influence, 3) consigning and forcing them into certain regions/areas/locales or 4) expelling them to Muslim lands (with or without compensation).

    Come up with a single-issue organization that votes as a bloc on only one thing; legal relocation of Muslims from the West – forget abortion, foreign policy, economic trade pacts, welfare, etc. Make every representative know they will be graded and publicly made known. I would suggest working with the NRA (the preeminent one-issue group) to get tips on how to proceed – you will likely have a good amount of overlap:

    https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/

    Since I’m a law-abiding citizen, when I get my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and I have an X number of time to go; I will get with the wife and make plans to sell the house and leave.

    Those “material benefits” are supposed to be for those societies’ OWN PEOPLE – not for Pakistani Muslim immigrants

    Then they should learn how to keep their borders closed. Fairly simple, plenty of other countries manage to do it.

    Well if you’d really like a one-on-one face-to-face discussion to “flesh out” differing viewpoints, as it were, that could certainly be arranged.

    Special forces with a bowie knife, eh? Putting me in a hospital is still not going to get me to move. Threatening to kill me is not going to get me to move. Someone like me is not afraid of these kinds of threats, the SJW type Muslims are. Putting your head on the ground 5 times a day tends to reinforce Who one fears and who one doesn’t. A good friend and I had a conversation along these lines at dinner a while back and I believe he said something like; “well, worst case scenario, they’ll just kill all of us” – to which we looked at each other and shrugged:
    “Those to whom men said: ‘Verily, the people have gathered against you, so fear them!’ But this increased their faith, and they said: ‘Allah is sufficient for us and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.’” (3:173)

    And because this conversation (and likely any future interaction with you) has lost any benefit to me other than the amusement value of you hurling insults and more feelz at me, welcome to me ignore list. Thanks for playing.

  213. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    On the basis of diplomatic reciprocity one should do to others as they do to you – as a matter of policy.

    Major problem with this is that this has nothing to do with reciprocity, Mike. This has to do with internal and local policies. For instance, countries like Pakistan and others clearly in their constitutions things like this:
    “2 Islam to be State religion
    Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan.”
    https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Pakistan_2018?lang=en

    “Article 2
    Islam is the official religion of the State [Iraq] and is a foundation source of legislation:”
    https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Iraq_2005?lang=en

    “Article 2. Islam, Principles of Islamic Sharia
    Islam is the religion of the state [Egypt] and Arabic is its official language. The principles of Islamic Sharia are the principle source of legislation.”
    https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Egypt_2019?lang=en

    “3. Religion of the Federation [Malaysia]
    1. Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.”
    https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Malaysia_2007?lang=en

    You can look up others. The Muslim countries you refer to that prevent proselytizing are not at all misrepresenting that they are neutral when it comes to religion. They make it as clear as possible that Islam IS the state religion and forms the foundation of the principles by which laws are drafted. The US, for instance, has no such provision. But that can be remedied if enough people decide that the state religion should be Christianity or by making minor adjustments two a couple of very obvious provisions:
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [except to restrict Islam]…”

    “…but no religious Test shall ever be required [except in the case of Islam and Muslims] as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

    In which case a place like the US could no longer virtue signal about being equal to all religions, but Muslim countries don’t so it’s honestly not that big a deal.

    Peace.

  214. @Parbes

    Damn straight I live where I want, do what I want, where I want, when I want, how I want.

    When I was in India there was one Mormon fool from Idaho who went into some slummy Muslim village to proselytize and the Muslims beat him up and set his pants on fire and threw him unconscious into some filthy canal and he ended up in a hospital for a month and I thought…what an F-ing idiot. It reminded me of the staggeringly negative qualities of middle-class white Americans-the naivete, the denseness, the clownishness.

    I could give a fat dead rat’s ass about converting anyone to Lutheranism or Catholicism (I come from a family of Germans who were both).

    I don’t care if Hindus worship the penis (I used to joke to Nair in Kerala that they do).

    I had initiative as a young man. No wife, no kids, no credit card debt, no mortgage, no commitments or obligations. The phone rang one night around the time I walked into a gas station right after a black guy had robbed the clerk with a 9 mm and he was in hysterics.

    I hit the road, glad to never see another bean or jig or piece of white trash again. Never again had to smell the body odor of some crotch-grabbing, saggy-panted Ebonics-spouting, blunt-reeking hood rat.

    World’s been my oyster alright.

    Old friends and acquaintances stuck it out in lousy post-industrial Michigan while I enjoyed London and Europe and swimming in the Arabian Sea in Goa and views of the tropical sun setting over bathwater-warm seas on Southeast Asian beaches while former friends and acquaintances were stuck in horrid rusting post-industrial Southeast Michigan.

    Every so often the phone would ring with more bad news…Grandmother’s condo sold for 20 percent of its value and we were luck to get that because the Detroit suburbs were collapsing. My brother left Los Angeles because public schools were terrible and he could not afford private school. A Polish kid from Flint I knew in college was trapped in Flint and poisonous sludge was running out his faucets. A girl I went to Graphic Arts college with fled California to because her neighborhood was full of fresh-out-of-prison Cholos but her Idaho town was full of Mormons who disliked Californian transplants…and so on.

    Okay, you cannot paw a broad in public in Dubai. You cannot criticize the royalty in certain Asian countries. That is a small trade-off.

    And everything I earned was tax free anyhow.

    And because at the time I moved overseas, being a Westerner with a college degree was still impressive (Though not now), I held better jobs overseas than I ever would have in the US anyhow.

    I make you for a North Indian-though I could be wrong of course-because your pride at your own Hunnic, Mughal, Turkic, Armenoid ancestors seems to have been stoked. Maybe I’m wrong, but I spent a good deal of time in India.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  215. Wade says:
    @Dumbo

    Compared to Gengis, Jefferson was practically a cuck. That’s why (and I’m calling it), this country will eventually erect a statue to celebrate that great Person Of Color long after Jefferson’s have been taken down.

  216. Parbes says:

    I’m certainly not “North Indian” dude, LOL…😀 What a funny idea!

  217. Parbes says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’m certainly not “North Indian” dude, LOL…😀 What a funny idea!

  218. Dumbo says:
    @Biff

    It’s a very old symbol and has been used by the most varied cultures (even Christians).

    It’s a bit sad that it is now basically verboten because of its short association with National Socialism in Germany. I think it should be rehabilitated. It’s a bit silly, I mean it’s like banning the circle, of the triangle, or the cross… Or the hexagram (Star of David). Nazis didn’t invent it. By the way, Jews also didn’t invent the “Star of David”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fylfot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram

    • Replies: @Talha
  219. Talha says:
    @Dumbo

    It’s a bit sad that it is now basically verboten because of its short association with National Socialism in Germany. I think it should be rehabilitated.

    Yeah, but that was within living memory. You might have to give it a few centuries or so. I mean, think about it; pirates and vikings were feared slavers and raiders that you wanted nothing to do with and were described as “vile” and “cruel” and “barbaric”, etc.

    A few centuries later, people use them as sports mascots and dress up their kids like them for Halloween.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  220. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    In South Korea, most Buddhist temples are tiny, hole in the wall types with nothing Buddhist in their architecture, so the swastika is used to indicate they’re Buddhist temples. There are thousands of swastikas on South Korean buildings.

    There was also this:

    There are plenty of Communist themed bars in Eastern Europe, with images of Lenin and the hammer and sickle, so why not Nazi themed bars? In Prague, there’s a Stalin Bar.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Talha
  221. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh

    There are thousands of swastikas on South Korean buildings.

    I’ve seen this about Japan also.

    There are plenty of Communist themed bars in Eastern Europe, with images of Lenin and the hammer and sickle, so why not Nazi themed bars? In Prague, there’s a Stalin Bar.

    Yeah, I’ve personally not understood why one set of guys responsible for millions of deaths in recent history escapes this as opposed to the others. The only thing I can think of is one side won – again bringing the whole Great Khan and Tamerlane, etc. into light.

    Reminds me of that quote by Curtis LeMay:
    “I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Fortunately, we were on the winning side.”
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/06/19/the-general-and-world-war-iii

    For Koreans, I’m guessing they don’t care much to have a huge amount of emotional attachment to something that happened decades ago on a far away continent – I don’t know.

    As for me, I have no love for Nazism or Communism (glad both are mostly a page in history), but just from aesthetics perspective, I’d decorate my restaurant with Nazi stuff instead of Communist stuff; the Nazis simply had a better eye for style in my view (typeface, color schema, uniforms, insignias, etc.).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  222. Neoconned says:
    @Observator

    Yep and her being almost totally white probably didnt hurt….

  223. @Talha

    Those are Muslim countries so their constitutions are made for them. The US first amendment states:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    At that time, in the US “religion” would have meant Christianity as I doubt that there were many Muslims or atheists involved in drawing up that constitution, nor did the founding fathers envisage their country ever having many Muslims and atheists, and would have been under no obligation to clarify their own constitution for the benefit of someone living in Pakistan or Arabia half way around the world. Any religious freedom would have implied freedom for Christian denominations, especially as many of those early colonists fled Europe because of religious persecution by other Christian “religions”. In Christian countries of old, Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Protestantism were considered to be separate “religions”, and non-Christians would have simply been seen as infidels, barbarians, primitives, little better than pagans, animists or savages. Sure you can find certain enlightened Christians of those times who had some appreciation for achievements of other cultures and an interest in other faiths, but the prevailing view would have been something like that. Nowadays people are interpreting this differently and just taking advantage of the fact that the US was tolerant to Europeans of different Christian faiths.

    • Replies: @Talha
  224. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    I think it’s more than just who won, who lost, but the relentless effort by Jews to tell the whole world that Hitler was the worst man ever, because he wanted to get rid of every Jew, but only managed to gas six million to death.

    In the middle of Mexico City, I ran into a Museum of Tolerance. There was a boxcar out front, with a sign explaning that this was how Jews were transported to death camps.

    On and on and on…

    There’s a new series on Amazon Prime called Hunters. Here’s the opening scene from the first episode:

    Linh

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
    , @Dumbo
  225. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    nor did the founding fathers envisage their country ever having many Muslims and atheists

    Not sure about this, Mike; I get where you are coming from, but Jefferson was pretty explicit that there was a debate about all this and what the outcome was:
    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

    I had done some digging on this years ago and it is pretty clear there were full debates going on about this very subject at the time. I will let the historical record speak for itself…

    There were also other Founding Fathers that wrote or made similar statements:
    “Benjamin Rush, the Pennsylvania signer of the Declaration of Independence and friend of Adams and Jefferson, applauded this feature of Islam, asserting that he had ‘rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammed inculcated upon our youth than see them grow up wholly devoid of a system of religious principles.’”
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    There were – for instance – well-recorded debates in the various states to ratify the Consitution; like North Carolina. Attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka these were Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, (by the North Carolinans in their conference to ratify the proposed Constitution) that if religious tests were not in play, then “pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans”.

    Counter points were made:
    “But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? ”

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    “It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen.

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    “No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion.

    Spaight and Davie are recorded as saying “yea”:
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    Food for thought.

    Peace.

  226. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh

    but the relentless effort by Jews to tell the whole world that Hitler was the worst man ever

    Well, of course. That is to be expected; I’m guessing if the Cham Muslims had a massively disproportionate control of the media industry, we would all think Pol Pot was numero uno from watching constant films about him and his regime. At the end of the day, people still keep paying money to watch these films, so what can one do? Random countries keep opening up more of these museums everywhere – I think except anywhere in the Muslim world – and people keep attending them and there is no rival museum showing the bloody records of Stalin or Pol Pot or Mao or Tamerlane or etc. so they are the only game in town in the check-out-this-massacre business. And let’s be honest, people don’t read history anymore to get some level of perspective on things so they expect to learn everything from movies and…we are back to square one.

    I literally had an argument on Twitter just a while ago with some Hindutva fanatic who stated that the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb was 10 times worse than Hitler – no joke. Even though it is well recorded that he employed more Hindus in his administration than any previous Mughal ruler even while running massive military campaigns against rival Hindus rulers to unite India.

    So everyone wants to claim their personal monster was the BIGGEST MONSTER EVER!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  227. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Filippo Mazzei was just one of quite a few Italians who went to or resided in the early American colonies.

    (The Italian name of Jefferson’s home, Monticello, is also Italian.)

  228. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tony

    Yeah… “Tell Me Something Good” anytime!

  229. Anonymous[700] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Hello, Linh,
    I was going to post an old photo of an American Indian tribal basketball team in their uniforms, which displayed prominent swastikas, uploading it to Imgur to link here. And I couldn’t. It would not upload. I then tried uploading an old photo of a girl in her Campfire girl uniform, which was modeled after an American Indian dress with a large swastika on the front. That, too, I could not upload. I tried a photo without a swastika as a test, and it uploaded just fine.
    So, apparently, Imgur has software banning images of the swastika, an ancient good luck symbol throughout the world, and only offensive to, well, you know who.
    I was able to upload this old photo from the 1920s, showing swastikas on a sign indicating a ladies’ restroom at a roadside stop in Arizona. It’s from the days when American Indian culture was celebrated throughout America.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @ZhyoMahmeh
  230. @Wielgus

    ‘I doubt personally whether war rape by nomads would change the genetic make-up very much. Firstly because woman who suspect they have conceived from such a rape are likely to try and abort the fetus, or if they give birth abandon it or even practise infanticide…’

    Maybe. It’s a decidedly morbid topic. I’ll mention that the medical recourses available to even mid-twentieth century women must have been considerably better than those open to medieval peasantry. Would women of the earlier era have even had any idea how to induce an abortion, or any notion that they should want to? We know what Bosnian women did in response to the wave of unwanted pregnancies that accompanied the Serbian ‘ethnic cleansing,’ and we know that many German women in the East were very interested in obtaining abortions in 1945 — but can we assume the same happened earlier?

    I’m not denying you have a valid point. I’m just not convinced we can be certain what the response of, say, thirteenth century Hungarian peasants would have been to such events. In any case, I see little reason to assume that the spread of Genghis Khan’s genes was a sharply circumscribed as some have assumed. The Mongols subjected Iran to a regime of rape ‘n pillage for a good century, and the Tatars were routinely marauding into Christendom right into the Eighteenth Century. That’s a whole lot of time for those genes to spread.

    It’s not irrelevant to note that a recent study of Hitler’s genetic makeup concluded that no, he wasn’t Jewish — but he did have a bit of Turk in him. And after all, Turkish irregulars did sweep through the Austrian countryside on at least two occasions.

    Even without consent, these things get about. Not all outraged maidens immediately seek an abortion or strangle the fruit of their experience at birth.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  231. Dumbo says:
    @Linh Dinh

    That’s really ridiculous and it’s almost funny that anyone would take that seriously.

    Or is it a comedy? Nazi clowns from outer space?

  232. Some quick obersavtions about from a trip to Mongolia:
    1: They party pretty hard.
    2: Last time I hang out with a bunch, we ended up wrestling a bit because why not. Went 1:2 which is a pretty reasonable showing for a foreigner, first guy didnt take me serious and I surprised him, the other 2 guys won quite handily.
    Was quite the ice breaker and led to some hard partying after this. Mongol ladies are a bit less materialistic then Chinese/Korean/Japanese ladies, but have a really big aversion to weaklings/cowards/fools, smallish sample size though.
    3: Had a massive ice breaker with the grandpa of one of these ladies over Kalkhin Gol, I informed him that Zhukov, who had written quite a bit about Kalkhin Gol, was full of praise for his Mongol allies, and that the informed Russian take on the battle was that the Manchu/Chinese auxillaries of the Japanese were garbage, while the Mongol allies, especially their cavalry and armored car units (Geez what a surprise), of the USSR were pretty good, which led to a sizeable edge in terms of reconnaisance and initiative for the Soviets and greatly aided their victory. This led to me (half Russian half German reserve Soldier) getting nearly drank under the table by a 75 or so year old Grandpa.
    4: I tried to do Mongol throat singing to everyones great merriment (which I was told exceeded the damage to their eardrums). In my defense, I was quite happily drunk.

  233. Boy1988 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well you’re right that not all Muslim countries are like the gulf countries.But you don’t see the kind of street violence ,robbery,homicide or gang violence like the one you see in Latin America or the non Muslim majority black African countries.ps,before someone attacks me for being a Muslim well I’m not

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  234. Polemos says:
    @Anonymous

    Perhaps the old myth about vampires and crosses is true, but was in code the whole time: it’s not the Christian Cross it fears, but the cross we did not say was one.

    And they’re not vampires.

  235. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    It is morbid, but I recall part of the witches’ chant in Macbeth (I am not bothering to check the text so this is from memory) – “finger of birth-strangled babe, ditch-delivered by a drab”. If a “drab” found infanticide a solution, how much more likely would a rape victim?
    One discussion of the sometimes Asiatic features found among Hungarians attributed the cause to Ottoman overseers, as such features are more common in southern and eastern Hungary – the part that fell under Ottoman control for quite a while. The Ottomans were not however warlike nomads but a settled empire. The other Hungarian source for such features might be their remote origins in what is now western Siberia, but that is considered less likely.
    Hitler actually looks like a fairly typical central European to me (as indeed do most Austrians and Hungarians I have ever seen) but that would not preclude an Ottoman ancestor. However, since female and male Ottomans were sometimes captured and not immediately put to the sword by the Austrians, that might be one explanation, with war rape by marauding Ottoman soldiers another.

  236. @Talha

    This kind of uncomfortable and personal, but when I watched the most anti-Muslim film ever made MIDNIGHT EXPRESS (The star playing Billy Hayes died of AIDS from sharing needles) it occurred to me that my story was the reverse.

    The sordid, gritty, dark experience I had was in America, not Turkey or the rest of the Middle East. Never again did I see the same level of depravity and squalor anywhere that witnessed in Detroit or Phoenix. I would even dream about it from time to time-I’ve never forgotten the glare of the Cholo gang member, the mindless grin of the homeless tweaker who took to following me around, the spastic chimp outs on public buses…the whiggers with their pitbulls on leashes, the white trash Mom in the trailer who tried to grope me in front of her own grown son while stoned on marijuana, the road rage incident with the rednecks who followed me in their pickup truck…

    My MIDNIGHT EXPRESS experience was in America.

    [MORE]

    Yes, I’m sure you can find cocaine and hookers in Dubai. And doubtlessly, strapping 3 kilos of hashish to your chest and trying to sneak through the Istanbul airport will have a bad end.

    But I don’t know what paradise these other Americans refer to. Or you. Where is it, pray tell? Nowhere in Mt. Pleasant Michigan or Phoenix Arizona.

    Oh, I don’t deny that there are beautiful suburbs in America. Certainly my bedroom community in Ann Arbor was a nice place to be born and spend formative years-it was bucolic and safe. But you have to earn over $40,000 a year…more maybe. Outside of the suburbs, its pretty grungy.

    And even in US suburbs, your kids can run into trouble in public schools who are bused there.

    Which is not to say that schools in Turkey do not have bullies-there is a scene in MIDNIGHT EXPRESS, probably accurate, where juveniles are beaten because they raped a younger boy in the wing of the prison where the American smuggler is locked up.

    But drug-dealing black and Mestizo gangs do not rule the schools of Dubai or Oman. Gangs of MS-13 are not wielding machetes in Turkish schools.

    Okay, the hicks and rubes from the exurban sticks are going to tell me nothing like that happens in their town.

    But they are the ones doing teenager’s jobs when they’re 40 years old. Not all of us have degrees in agricultural sciences. A fellow Graphic Arts student from my university fled a job in Marina Del Ray to be a tattoo artist in a small Idaho town-not for me thanks. I like a city with public transport, a variety of restaurants and more than one single high street.

    And no, it is not a good idea to break the law overseas. But my scary experiences with police were not in Oman or Dubai but on US streets. Stop and frisks where cops shouted at me to get my hands away from my pockets while searching for a joint, a warrant, whatever. Which I did not have.

    My MIDNIGHT EXPRESS experience was in the United States.

    Having been born in a well-to-do bedroom community and then ended up on the lower-income margins of society, what is astonishing about America is that there internal third worlds not 10 miles from the nicest suburbs in the modern world. Indian poverty abuts Switzerland style development.

    I cannot believe my fellow Americans can be such dickheads and believe that they have to save ME countries for George Bush when the live in some second-rate decaying rural suburb or trailer park or low-income apartment full of drug addicts and white trash.

    Sorry, but as an American, I just was not overwhelmed with the paradise of America compared to the Muslim hell.

    Is Detroit really better than Istanbul?

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
  237. @Talha

    SIR

    Pakistan never asked the West to keep putting its proverbial balls in the sling.

    It didn’t want “West Pakistan”.

    It didn’t want to be press-ganged by Kissinger when Nixon got into a beef with Indira Gandhi and sized up Pakistan as a proxy ally against India as a rising Superpower.

    It didn’t want Russia to invade the neighboring country and turn its border into a huge refugee camp.

    It didn’t want the nuclear weapons that the US forced on it because of the Cold War and Russia’s invasion when the US saw it as a buffer.

    Pakistan has been dragged into every problem the West had.

    • Replies: @Talha
  238. Talha says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The West has plenty of responsibility, but the population of Pakistan needs to come to terms with the issues that spring from their own internal problems, which I would say are greater than the external problems:
    “…Surely Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves…” (13:11)

    A nation can still live in dignity and contentment without material opulence or even a high development index:

    It all depends on one’s attitude to one’s Creator and life.

    Peace.

  239. @Jeff Stryker

    Mt. Pleasant MI is hell? I used to go there once a week or so in the eighties and didn’t notice.

  240. So how does one pronounce :Ghengis:? /jen giss/; /zhen jiss/; /gen giss/ ?

    :28 in

  241. @Anonymous

    Is this near Channing, where there are no phones?

  242. @Talha

    ‘…So everyone wants to claim their personal monster was the BIGGEST MONSTER EVER!’

    We need to have something like what those sports geeks use to come up with quarterback ratings.

    1. Raw kill.

    2. Percentage of kill that was completely unnecessary/superfluous. Hitler really could have gotten by without killing quite so many Jews.

    3. Extent to which the murderous behavior was at odds with the values of the killer’s culture. Stalin, for example, was trained as a Christian priest. Now see here….

    4. Hand tools versus technological aids. Genghis Khan scores bigly.

    5. Degree to which deaths were actually intended. Mao would slip badly here.

    Etc.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  243. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    I would add #6 – though it may be what you meant by #5

    6. Number of deaths caused by famine and disease related to the conquest/war/policy

    Peace.

  244. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Genghis Khan was sexy.

    • Replies: @Malla
  245. …he had black boys as young as ten-years-old whipped, when they couldn’t pound out nails fast enough for his business.

    He should have hired white men. They all should have. Then something might have gotten done.

    The planters were the first to betray their race. It was H-1B in dirt.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  246. Anon[661] • Disclaimer says:

    There are plenty of Communist themed bars in Eastern Europe, with images of Lenin and the hammer and sickle, so why not Nazi themed bars? In Prague, there’s a Stalin Bar.

    Linh

    I’m going to assume that’s a rhetorical question, Linh.

    Oy Vey!

  247. Anon[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The planters were the first to betray their race. It was H-1B in dirt.

    You’re talking about your Yankee ancestors, right Reg?…lol

    The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England’s economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy. –Lorenzo Johnston Greene, “The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776,” p.319.

    Whether it was officially encouraged, as in New York and New Jersey, or not, as in Pennsylvania, the slave trade flourished in colonial Northern ports. But New England was by far the leading slave merchant of the American colonies.

    http://slavenorth.com/profits.htm

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Reg Cæsar
  248. @Anon

    You’re talking about your Yankee ancestors, right Reg?…lol

    My first known New World ancestors came in 1621. The Africans beat them by two years.

    But New England was by far the leading slave merchant of the American colonies.

    They were corrupt enough to be the vendor, not stupid enough to be the customer. They learned to populate their colonies with white men, who were capable of actual work.

    Work that got done; hence the wealth, growth, and advancement of the free states.

    The only commenter here who has dared to argue that blacks in the South actually worked is Corvinus. Nice company you keep.

    The rest of you assume it, but will not say so.

    I won’t even get into the subject of intelligence, except to say that it only requires an IQ of 50 to learn to read, and 90% of Southern blacks were incapable of even that. Stupid, stupid, stupid…

  249. @Anon

    The Mumfords were one of those slave-trading families. My own Mumford ancestor wasn’t involved, but did own a few in Rhode Island. One of them murdered his first wife after she’d had him whipped. I descend from his second wife, so perhaps I should thank the slave!

    General Ass’y Records: murdered by a negro slave belonging to Mr. Mumford of Kingston. The body of the slave was found on the shore of Little Compton in the Province of the Massachusetts Bay. It was thought that he threw himself into the sea rather than be taken alive. It was ordered that his head, legs and arms be cut off from his body and hung in some public place near the town, and his body be burnt to ashes “that it may, please God, be something of a terror to others from perpetrating of the like barbarity for the future.”

    https://archive.org/details/mumfordmemoirsbe00mumf/page/52/mode/2up

    These Mumfords learned their lesson. Hire white folk.

    (By the way, the second Mrs Mumford’s sisters were ancestresses of Winston Churchill and the Bushes. Small world, colonial New England.)

  250. Anon[661] • Disclaimer says:

    They were corrupt enough to be the vendor, not stupid enough to be the customer. They learned to populate their colonies with white men, who were capable of actual work.

    Actually, they were both the vendor and the customer for quite a while, dipshit. If not for the short growing season up there, those people would probably still own niggers.

    Although it’s certainly true your folks soon came to the conclusion that sweating white European men, women and children in your factories and mines was certainly more profitable than purchasing negroes to do the same. Work them 12 hour days 7 days a week in hazardous environments for pennies on the dollar and then toss them on the heap when their bodies are broken and bring in some more. All under the banner of “free” white labor minus the ugly stigma of slavery.

    What’s not to like?

  251. Anon[661] • Disclaimer says:

    If you want to understand the distinct difference between the Southern people and their Yankee counterparts, all you need to do is listen to the music that identified their cause.

    Dixie. (Written by a Northerner, btw) Which speaks to the people of the South and the love of their land.

    and the Battle Hymn of the Republic.

    Written by a Yankee harridan Lincoln groupie and is essentially a quasi Christian fanatical Utopian hymn to conquest and subjugation.

  252. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    But at least he did not make his race responsible for the care and feeding of ethnically alien slaves.

    So down with Jeffersonian democracy, but wait :

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1982/01/whos-for-democracy/

    • Thanks: Richard B
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  253. @Reg Cæsar

    ‘…he had black boys as young as ten-years-old whipped, when they couldn’t pound out nails fast enough for his business.’

    He should have hired white men. They all should have. Then something might have gotten done.

    Perhaps more to the point, I imagine it wasn’t unheard of for similar treatment to be meted out to delinquent white apprentices and bobbin boys in New England mills back in the day.

    All the evidence I’ve read suggests that black slaves tended to be treated perfectly well by the standards of the time.

    Mark Twain — who was actually familiar with the institution of slavery but decidedly unsympathetic to it — apostrophized the South as suffering from “Sir Walter Scott Disease.’

    Southern slaveholders were all medieval knights and ladies — and the black slaves were their eternally docile, well-treated serfs. That was the shtick.

    Morally, slavery may well have been wrong — even by the standards of the time. Indeed, that was the problem. Even by the standards of the time, it was wrong.

    But materially ill-treated, the slaves were, on average, not. Research keeps confirming that.

  254. @Alastair Ross

    ‘But at least he did not make his race responsible for the care and feeding of ethnically alien slaves.’

    It’s somewhat unreasonable that we freed the slaves, but now, a hundred and fifty-plus years later, find ourselves still responsible for the care and feeding of their descendants.

  255. @Colin Wright

    Southern slaveholders were all medieval knights and ladies — and the black slaves were their et ernally docile, well-treated serfs. That was the shtick.

    The medieval lords got some productive work out of quality people. What did the Southerners get out of their largesse? Nothing but spit in their food.

    Jemima was the first welfare queen.

    • Replies: @Anon
  256. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ol’ Johnny Pierpont, the archetype Yankee…lol

    During the American Civil War, in an incident known as the Hall Carbine Affair, Morgan financed the purchase of five thousand rifles from an army arsenal at $3.50 each, which were then resold to a field general for $22 each. Morgan had avoided serving during the war by paying a substitute $300 to take his place.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_Carbine_Affair

    Ain’t nobody desecrating JP’s grave.

    https://thepatriotsreport.com/2020/07/08/grave-of-17-dead-unknown-confederate-soldiers-desecrated-at-church-in-dc-suburb/

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  257. Alastair Ross: [links to an article on Jefferson’s conception of democracy by Revilo Oliver]

    Oliver was a scholar and wrote in an idiosyncratic, lofty style that defies imitation. But he wasn’t particularly consistent as a thinker, it seems to me. For example, he writes:

    footnote 7. There was a slight humanitarian element in Jefferson’s attitude. The slaves whom the Congoids sold to entrepreneurs (many, but not all, of whom were Jews) were shipped across the Atlantic packed into slave ships in which they had to exist for weeks and even months in conditions to which Aryans (or, at least, Nordics) would not wish to see any mammals subjected. Jefferson had the strong aversion from gratuitous cruelty to sentient mammals that is characteristic of our race and conspicuously absent in other races. Jefferson was also deeply concerned about the moral effects of slavery on many owners.

    He should (and doubtless did) know better than that. White people are capable of great cruelty, and of enjoying it quite a bit themselves. The Romans were masters of torture techniques and made public entertainments of them. For instance, one ancient source (Suetonius, iirc) relates how a notorious woman poisoner was publicly fucked to death in the Colosseum by a trained giraffe, no doubt to the roars and cheers of the attending crowd. Also, after the Spartacus slave revolt was put down in 71BC, six thousand of the recaptured slaves were crucified, about one every hundred yards or so, lining a 300-mile stretch of the Appian Way from Rome to Capua. The bodies were left to rot as a lesson and example to future would-be revolutionaries.

    The last sentence in the above footnote is now lolworthy, considering what now is thought to be the case about Jefferson’s relationship to Hemings. It’s a pity that Oliver didn’t live long enough to react to the DNA evidence and the other evidence that establishes a very good case for Jefferson’s paternity of at least some of her children. There are a few other passages in the linked piece that would need considerable revision in light of this as well.

    In Jefferson’s defense, I’d just say that at the time Jefferson lived, Darwin had not yet been born. A reasonable, well-educated man such as he could still imagine or at least hope that the races were inherently equal, as Jefferson appears to be doing in the 1791 quote LD gives above.

  258. @Anon

    You didn’t answer the question.

    But that’s what we expect from “Anon”.

  259. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    What did the Southerners get out of their largesse?

    You mean that bit of bullshit?

    If I recall correctly “the largesse” of the Southerners was pretty much destroyed or confiscated by The “Union/Federal Government” during the process of “stampin’ out the vintage”.

    You do understand that your Union rabble were prodigious looters, despite being mediocre soldiers, don’t you?

    In more than one instance, the Union Army’s penchant for booty cost them the initiative on the battlefield. But fuck, who really cares, since there was pretty much an endless supply of Germans and Irish to send into Grant’s ill advised meat grinders?

    You should check ol’ Benjamin “Spoons” Butler.

    Thievn’ the silverware of the New Orleans Ladies like a boss…lol

    Glory Hallelujah, Reg.

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  260. @Anon

    If I recall correctly “the largesse” of the Southerners was pretty much destroyed…

    For a month or more now, I’ve been asserting that the black population of the South has never done any productive work in 400 years. Useless eaters. I say Jemima was poisoning your breakfast; you do nothing to defend her.

    Not one of you has ever stepped up to deny this. It must be right, then.

    …since there was pretty much an endless supply of Germans and Irish to send into Grant’s ill advised meat grinders?

    I’m the first to admit that one of the worst things the Union did was to draft white boys while exempting black ones. That’s race treason of the highest order.

    But they were only following the example of the CSA, which had already adopted the same policy.

    Both sides were sickeningly anti-white. Only the Colonization Society had their heads screwed on tight.

  261. @Boy1988

    Many dirt-poor countries are safer than Western cities. It’s the people, not their possessions.

    • Agree: showmethereal, Talha, Biff
  262. @Tulips

    Huge difference between selling yourself into servitude because you are in poverty (such as biblical precepts) than taking groups of people for your pleasure (kidnapping was a capital offense).

  263. Malla says:
    @jila

    Very true. The US Zio deep state hates true brave soldiers like Soleimani and Adolf Hitler (Iron Cross WW1) and great men like T.E. Lawrence and Patton mysteriously die. While Che Guevara the scumbag coward psychopath is promoted as heroes. Where is my Soleimani T-Shirt?

  264. @Colin Wright

    Southern slaveholders were all medieval knights and ladies — and the black slaves were their eternally docile, well-treated serfs.

    To a certain extent. Imagine if Richmond had a Collosseum where the Confederacy’s senators could relax and watch Negro gladiators fight each other to the death. Or if the Catholic Bishop of Richmond cut out the hearts of Negro slaves in a cathederal’s alter to win divine favor on the eve of the battle of Gettysburg. Jefferson Davis could have had a harem of dozens of Negro slave women (while we’re there, maybe a few boys too, why not). But all this was forbidden by those evil medieval European Catholics.

    Of all the slave societies the world has had, American slaves had the best life.

  265. @Anon

    Considering that only about 25% of the US is Anglo of any sort these days

    Genealogist Jeane Westin worked out, albeit about 20 years ago, that 82% of Americans had an English ancestral line. Presumably these were adults, but even as outdated as this figure is, almost certainly a majority of Americans do. Most whites, and practically all native blacks and American Indians.

    Of course, the latter two groups don’t value their English ancestry that much. It’s a little better with French, and perhaps Spanish.

    The “Vegas” brothers of the band Redbone were born Vasquez.

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  266. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That is some interesting info. I don’t doubt it. I should have specified that 25% of the DNA in the USA comes from Britain.

    It doesn’t surprise me at all that the ethnics have some old-stock American ancestors.

  267. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Anyways the role of Ghenghis Khan in that movie Mongol was played by Japanese actor Tadanobu Asano.

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