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Lin Yutang wrote, “What is patriotism but the love of the food one ate as a child?” Born in Fujian, Lin also lived in the U.S., France, Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan, where he’s buried. Whatever attachment Lin had to his childhood stews, fish balls, snails, clams and tofu, it didn’t prevent this remarkable author and inventor of the first Chinese typewriter from globetrotting to improve his mind then, finally, to save his own ass, as his favored Kuomintang got routed by bad-assed Mao.

Should I stay or should I go? Ambrose Bierce glibly defined an immigrant as “an unenlightened person who thinks one country better than another,” but between any two things, types of coffee, meat loafs, races, there is always a value judgment, so one thing is always better or worse than another, though the verdict is never unanimous, for some people are even fond of ingesting egesta, or watching television nonstop, even to the point of leaving it on through the entire night as they sleep, so they can hear it in their dreams, I suppose. My friend T.J. does this. To each his own, then, but since leaving one’s country is never an easy step, logistically or psychologically, let’s examine the reasons for such a radical departure.

Turning his back on all he has known, and his very identity even, an emigrant is fleeing from his inadequate or insufferable government. If hightailing from a war, he’s trying to save his own skin since the state can no longer protect him. At other times, he’s escaping the state itself, for it has become his overt nemesis.

Since Americans have never experienced a Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler, they can be terribly dismissive of other people’s historical trauma, so on the left, you still have naifs evoking Communism, of the dictatorship of the proletariat variety, as an ideal, while on the right, you have buffoons who mislabel crony capitalism as communism. Some dream of an American reich. Far from objecting to an overbearing state, they only quibble about its objectives, and nearly all have come to accept endless war as a natural American condition, and it is, quite frankly, for when was the last time the U.S. wasn’t fighting or occupying an alien population? I’d say never, but don’t listen to me. Submit your answer for a chance to win an all-inclusive, extended stay at the world-renown restive encampment at tropical Guantanamo!

A totalitarian state is one that can do any damn thing it feels like to you, without you having any recourse to fight back, short of being suicided by cops, and since the U.S.A. can now arrest, torture or kill anyone without due process, and it has, aplenty, it qualifies as such a monstrously criminal state notwithstanding the fact that all appears reasonably normal, sane and civilized, for now. If the law allows, say, a husband to shoot his wife at any moment, then that society has entered into hell even before the first woman has had her brains blown out.

Another clue to the state’s totalitarian pivot is its heavy emphasis on travel restrictions, such as the secretive and illegal no-fly list, its perverted airport groping of infants and centenarians alike, its absurd and arbitrary ban on everything from baby formula to clam sauce, such as happened to me, seriously. Even with the image of spaghetti on the label, the TSA Einstein thought it was a beverage. He actually suggested I drink it.

Like any attacker, a terrorist is liable to hit you where you ain’t heavily guarded, so there’s no reason why he should consider airports when there is an infinity of other targets, and the more random, the more terror generated, for nowhere would be safe. In any case, the only terrorists we should fear are the ones who are recruited and coached or, at the very least, sanctioned by our sinister FBI or CIA. Since it’s no secret our government casually and habitually massacres, should we be surprised that it also butchers innocent Americans? Far from being victims of terrorism, the United States is the world’s leading generator of it.

The primary aim of our transportation security regiment, then, is not to thwart terrorists but to drum into your head that traveling is not a right but a privilege granted by the benevolent state, and if you don’t grovel all the time, everywhere, and not just at airports or train stations, this special dispensation can be abruptly withdrawn.

Chewing on Kim Kardashian’s pumped up derriere and Tom Brady’s deflated balls, most Americans ignore all alarming signs of their nation’s descent into madness, though some have already made the decision to jump ship. Recently, I posed some basic questions to a handful of Americans living overseas, and their candid answers have been eye opening.

Explaining his reason for leaving, Dave, a 38-year-old living in South Korea, confides, “Initially, it was a desire to be able to make a decent living, and an interest in experiencing life in other parts of the world. More recently, I have been thinking about collective guilt in the context of Washington’s foreign policy atrocities. The U.S. government’s support for Ukrainian Nazis and their genocidal campaign against ethnic Russians makes me think that at some point causing suffering will be the last remaining function of the U.S. government.” What a succinct indictment, and the more desperate this government becomes, the more it will massacre, for it’s no longer competent at anything else. With native grumbling exploding into active rebellion, blood baths will also splatter across the Homeland.

Writing from San Luis Potosí, Mexico, Danielle Covarrubias states that she “always knew that the US was a sick society,” and “I remember the day in 5th grade (Westlake School for Girls–bubble within a bubble) when I read in the history book about Manifest Destiny. I was outraged! What? Who said? With what right?” Born in California to a Mexican father and white mother, Covarrubias “never, ever felt like an American or said ‘we’ about the US.” Covarrubias even felt more at home in Greece, where she lived and worked for many years, “I made wonderful, dear friends there. Actually, the time I felt most foreign was when I was invited to some middle-Americans’ house for Thanksgiving in LA. They were nice people, but I felt sooooo foreign there. I actually feel really strange around groups of white people, although I’m half white, look white […] I definitely feel that I don’t belong in that society; they’re just so…different.”

The unfinished church in Cuilapam. Credit: Brent W.
The unfinished church in Cuilapam. Credit: Brent W.

You can be entirely white and feel more at home, or at least more human, in Mexico. Fifty-seven-year-old Brent writes, “People in Mexico are much friendlier than most people in the US.” There, he’s “able to form nice friendships with people I never could have met in the US, both Mexicans and people from the US.” Also, “Families here are kind of like communes, good fortune is shared with less fortunate members. There are good and bad aspects of that, but outright destitution seems fairly rare.”

Several other respondents also point out this easier access to other folks. Writing from Damak, Nepal, Son Ha Dinh observes, “I get to meet and talk to people daily and spontaneously wherever I travel whereas in the States you have to make plan, arrange meeting, confirm time and location etc…Just extra layers we add to our lives that are really unnecessary.” Having moved from Cambridge to Istanbul, Mark and Jolee Zola share that “Turks (along with the country’s minority residents) are very warm, welcoming people.” Intending to stay for just a year, this retired couple have remained in Turkey for nearly seven, and it’s their home now. They’ve learnt the language. Considering that Istanbul is not cheap, its human attraction must be considerable to retain the Zolas.

Hanoi. Credit: Jacob Evans
Hanoi. Credit: Jacob Evans

Having lived in Hanoi for 5 ½ years, San Francisco transplant Jacob Evans relays, “Vietnam in particular is a very human place. People eat on the floor in rooms facing the street with their doors open. When a neighbor dies, black flags are hung outside and a tent is erected where funeral music is played all day and night. The grieving family are wrapped in white cloth and even later they wear black badges to let everyone know about this status. The Viets are constantly looking after one another. A regular greeting is, hi, did you eat yet? I go to the markets and see every part of an animal used. Sidewalks are transformed into eateries, places to drink and gossip. Time is marked by the consumption of rituals. I am constantly full of awe and wonder.” Arriving, Jacob knew just two Vietnamese phrases, “I don’t have any money” and “fuck your mother.” He has enough Vietnamese now for basic interactions.

Obviously, the longer one stays, the more complex or paradoxical any place becomes. Returning to Saigon as an adult, I had to relearn my birthplace, and this is what I said during a 2000 interview, “I think one of the misconceptions I had was that people related to each other better here. All superficial observations, I mean you can see how people live here: they live in close quarters and the neighbors know each other, they have time to talk, the conversation can drag on for three hours, so I thought people had more patience with each other, they liked each other better, sense of family, sense of community, all that shit. But I was also a little skeptical. I didn’t believe it fully. In the States, I didn’t know my neighbors. I hardly knew anyone. I had to go to the bar. I knew my friends at the bar but the people around me I didn’t know. But here, you see people chatting and talking. But after living here a while, I can see that people aren’t quite that social. They might talk, but there’s a lot of animosity, there’s a lot of mistrust, there’s a lot of underhandedness, you know.” Attempting to explain, I continued, “Maybe [it’s] just human nature, maybe people are like that anyway, they just happen to be physically close to each other, but not psychologically close to each other. One thing I’ve noticed is that haggling is a very bad custom. You’re always trying to get over the next person. You’re always haggling. In the States, you’re not worried about being cheated when you go to the supermarket, but here you’re always worrying about being ripped off when you buy anything. So this mind game that’s being played, haggling, haggling, corrupts people. But on the other hand, there’s a conversation.” Had I stayed longer than my 2 ½ years, my observations would evolve further, no doubt, for even with a spouse or, hell, with yourself to your own consciousness, a mask can crack over decades or peel off suddenly, with another mask underneath. Further, just as Atlanta is not Boston, Saigon is not anything like Hanoi.

Joe & Children, Great Yarmouth, England. Credit: Joe T.
Joe & Children, Great Yarmouth, England. Credit: Joe T.

Moving from sojourner to permanent resident, the immigrant gains gravity and roots, and this is what 47-year-old Joe has done by marrying an English woman and having two kids. Ferdinand Celine wrote, “When you stay too long in the same place, things and people go to pot on you, they rot and start stinking for your special benefit.” It has taken but four years in Great Yarmouth for Joe to sour on England, “i came here with the insane, very stupid idea that i could win over the whole damn town. wrong! and a waste of time and effort. the english will be the english. and they ain’t impressed. and god they hate americans. am i a fanatic? yes! but many americans, bless them, loved me! the english love nothing.” And, “i try to make the most of things, so i do make some effort with these gormless, mean little dullards.” In Dickens’ David Copperfield, Peggoty gushes that Great Yarmouth is the ‘finest place in the universe,’ and having visited it often during my 9-month-stay in East Anglia, I’m very fond of this tacky seaside resort with its 14th century, anti-pirate wall, but of course I’ve never had to live there, least of all permanently.

Sometimes, though, your host community will simply reject you. Dave, “South Korean society does not really allow foreigners to become assimilated.” Dave’s social isolation became so agonizing, he turned alcoholic and finally had a psychological breakdown. Recovered, Dave stayed on in South Korea, for he appreciated “how easy and simple life can be,” and his being there “at least partially compensate for wasted years and decades spent in the United States.” It’s quite remarkable, this testimony about one’s native land, the self-trumpeted greatest nation on earth.

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Dave, “It was refreshing, and a little intimidating, to be in a place where what might pass for average or even below average intellectual capabilities might generally be regarded as brilliant in the U.S. That is also true for West Africa, where it is no big deal to speak three, four, or even five (mostly unrelated) foreign languages — and that is for regular people, not academics who specialize in linguistics. The sort of nationalistic chauvinism sometimes found in the U.S. – ‘We’re #1!’ is not warranted.”

We’re too self-absorbed and self-infatuated to know that we’re ignorant. Living on a near continent-sized country, and the sick, dark heart of a bombastic empire at that, we see the rest of the world as ridiculous parodies of ourselves, at best. As we’re flung, one by one, from this mirthless roller coaster, however, each of us will come to a new understanding. Our skills and industry are not needed here. Like me, you’ve become a superfluous beggar.

As the criminal state expands, the little people are reduced to squashable ants. Brent, “In the US it’s hard to get any respect, even self-respect, unless you are economically successful. People tend to blame themselves for their failures more so than in many places, and often lose self respect as a consequence. When people lose self respect it causes all sorts of problems, and the media makes it worse with their constant idolatry of the rich, famous, and powerful, who are often just mediocre people with a flair for self publicity or making money. Just because somebody can make a lot of money doesn’t make them a good person or even intelligent, but that’s how the media portrays them. The Protestant Ethic always equated success with closeness to God, but until fairly recently there were a lot of nooks and crannies in the economy and the country where you could live quietly apart from the hustling and just have some tiny little business and live a quiet life. Those places are getting harder to find. Corporatism is out to monetize everything and everybody.”

Exasperated, Joe raves, “america, turn off your fucking tv’s, you are manipulated in ways you can’t imagine. give the indians their land back, fight the evil anglo-american government, take your kids out of school, re-start the sexual revolution, keep looking to the future (america’s greatest strength and uniqueness, this looking forward to a better world), but create the radical, beautiful society that you can and must create! […] i have no hope for america or the world (well, i do, but it’s not the place for that long conversation here). america is too big, for one. It’s now a police/military state. etcetera.”

With some of the world’s highest rates of divorce, teen pregnancy and children born out of wedlock, I’d say the sexual revolution is still (hard) on here, so though the concept of free love arouses me as much as the next guy, I’ve learnt to keep my loins in perspective, as has Joe, by the way, since he’s an upright husband and father. As for the United States being some kind of Utopian project, our opulence and license are a direct result of our unmatched belligerence and rapaciousness. Our open roads are paved over corpses.

As for our egalitarianism, it’s as superficial as this Andy Warhol observation, “What’s great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too.” In spite of our jivey bonhomie among classes, this society is as stratified as any.

This country was built with slave, indentured servant, coolie and sweat shop labor, and after Africans were freed, new, much more powerful black slaves were found in the form of oil. Much of what passes for progress is no more than this petroleum bonanza, but sure, why not, the state will take all the credit for improving your life!

We sucked and we sucked, all over the world, not just here, and after the easy sucking was done, we tried sucking in deeper water or even sideways, into rocks. Our sucking days winding down, we will rediscover hard limits, even social ones, to our lives. As the world’s most indebted nation, we’re essentially the poorest, but thanks to our big guns pointing in all directions, we haven’t had to pay up, and don’t intend to. The rest of humanity, though, won’t let his farce continue much longer. Already intellectually and morally bankrupt, we will also be destitute in the most naked sense. During the next phase of our sexual revolution, a record number of us will be selling our nether parts. To chew and swallow, we will suck from Wall Street to China.

In this permanent war, all-seeing, robo cop state, hundreds of thousands of citizens are already internal refugees shivering in tents, under bridges and on sidewalks. Millions more have emigrated, with more to come in the turbulent years ahead. As for the rest of us, we’ll have to endure the worst of this rogue government in situ. We will die in this dying nation.

 

Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating socialscape through his frequently updated photo blog, Postcards from the End of America.

 
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  1. Hepp says:

    Dave, “It was refreshing, and a little intimidating, to be in a place where what might pass for average or even below average intellectual capabilities might generally be regarded as brilliant in the U.S. That is also true for West Africa, where it is no big deal to speak three, four, or even five (mostly unrelated) foreign languages — and that is for regular people, not academics who specialize in linguistics. The sort of nationalistic chauvinism sometimes found in the U.S. – ‘We’re #1!’ is not warranted.”

    Lol, yes if only Americans had the intellectual capabilities of Africans. Let’s see some studies that objectively measure the actual capabilities of Africans in these various languages.

    This country has a lot of fat people, which is its main flaw. And yes, the foreign policy is insane. But it’s not unquestionably worse than every country in the world on every conceivable measure. Some people clearly have a need to find one Great Satan to blame all the problems of the world on.

  2. Stogumber says:

    All these quotations of Americans abroad are leading to what Bierce said before: A man who believes that one country is essentially better than another must be unenlightened.

    By the way, whomever does Mr. Linh Dinh mean when he speaks so egregiously about “we” and “us” and “our land”?

  3. No doubt there will be “love-it-or-leave-it” reactions soaked in “greatest” self-delusion, especially if among the now economically victimized among the Euro-American.

    But for most, no matter how much an American government owned by elites has left us, Americans have no opportunity to leave. If one could, some provincial conceits would be demolished if one is not invincibly ignorant. But as Buckaroo Banzai put it, wherever you go, there you are.

    But know your enemy. Managed democracy, Superpower, inverted totalitarianism. That’s not imposed on us by poor wetbacks.

  4. Olorin says:

    It’s fortunate that staying in this sucky dying horrible oppressor nation is by choice.

    > Should I stay or should I go?

    You should go. Stand not upon the order of it, etc.

    Make room for one of the tens of millions clamoring to come here.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2014/11/theres-something-about-teutonics.html

    I’m sure there’s some other nation somewhere that can live up to your expectations that it be founded by rainbow unicorns and fluffy bunnies and paisley ponies and velvet ducklings rather than living, breathing, flawed, mortal human beings contesting for living space and resources here on the Dover Beach of space and time.

    In the meantime, enjoy the standard of life in a despised place about whose flaws you are expansive, and apparently coached to detail. But do reflect that no matter where you go, there you are.

  5. Kiza says:
    @Hepp

    Yours is an extremely superficial comment. Who said that US is “unquestionably worse than every country in the world on every conceivable measure”? Those are your words. The problem the rest of the World has with the US is that US wants to impose its rather unsuccessful socio-cultural model onto the rest of the World.

    Even to a superficial observer, by now it should be clear that the US is totally one-sided, imbalanced society. It is a society which built the technologically most advanced military in the World, but can make almost nobody inside the country happy. When you measure success by the power to kill, by the amount of money you have, by the energy and resources you control, you have lost touch with the human soul. A poor Afghani peasant with two goats and his large Muslim family is happier than an average US person.

    Despite making almost nobody in the US happy, the US elite wants to impose the same model of misery onto the rest of the World, they want to rule the World. I believe that the US will fall apart as a society before its World-control project is completed, unless the US causes a nuclear war. Soviet Union did not cause a Global Nuclear War when disintegrating, but the US might.

    Very nice essay Linh.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Hepp
  6. it is totally insane to stay in any western european country while the mass migration from subsaharan Africa is slowly starting. People really have to get out of here

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  7. The people mentioned in these anecdotes come across as rootless outsiders. They comment on familial bonds in their host countries; eventually it will occur to them that they are not and never can be “family.” They aren’t part of the volk. The one guy who put down roots somewhere besides the US appears to have done so within his own ancestral group.

    This rootless, atomized existence is not good for people.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
  8. 2/1 doc says:

    Dear Mr Dinh,
    Thanks for this article. I have lived in Europe for almost 9 years. Most of the reason is from my year in Vietnam as a corpsman with the Marines outside of Danang. 68-69. I’m sorry you probably never saw how beautiful it was. I was on top of one of marble mountains and the sunrises and the view’s were magnificent. Hard to see all that now with all those high rise hotels where MAG 16 and NSA hospital and the POW compound were. I’m glad their places of pleasure now instead of places of pain You should take a look a George Carlins take on Airport security and American life.
    Life here is easy and as a retired man who lives with his books and his dreams it’s peaceful enough.
    The fact that I agree with what you have written and your Vietnamese kinda takes my breath away . I live in Ypres/ Ieper. If your ever in Europe stop by. I’m easy to find . Ask at the museum for the american. I’m the only one.
    Peace

  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And yet, we can’t keep the hordes of humanity from all parts of the globe trying to get into America. As for your case, Linh, by all means, get the hell out. Your ungrateful rant epitomizes the thinking of the most radical leftist. Good riddance.

  10. Kevin B says:

    George Soros could have written this piece. Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out.

  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wherever Europeans go the planet’s 3rd worlders will follow enmasse. The reverse is never seen. Asians, Africans, and Arabs aren’t capable of building and maintaining equivalent civilisations. They follow us like a plague demanding what we have.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  12. @Hepp

    Interesting that you made an observation v close to one I made long ago about Australian Aborigines. So they speak the five languages of the tribes they live in and next to? How many different words do you need to communicate adequately in each of those languages?

  13. iffen says:

    I guess Mr. Dinh didn’t talk to any Chinese merchants in Viet Nam or any Kurds in Turkey.

  14. @Kiza

    Not often I have come close to a “well said” or “hear hear” for you. But I do think that the US, which (I have been on public record as saying for 12 years) no longer has the economic or military strength to carry out all its aims, let alone the political stability and stamina to be able to persist so it doesn’t let down its allies (and leave aside maladroit diplomacy and poor intelligence) has such dysfunctional government at all levels that it is hard to see revival in a world where the Chinese government has not been enlisted to share the world’s burdens rather than be shunned. At a more sophisticated level the question is how Americans see themselves, their system(s) of government, human nature and generally how they think – with what assumptions and unexamined dogma. I mean if America embodies “democracy” who would want to buy the package? Yep, give an American the contract to design your system of government but only if you were in the Caribbean where his navy would defend you and his tourists would enrich you….

  15. Hail says: • Website

    Dave’s social isolation became so agonizing, he turned alcoholic and finally had a psychological breakdown. Recovered, Dave stayed on in South Korea, for he appreciated “how easy and simple life can be,” and his being there “at least partially compensate for wasted years and decades spent in the United States.

    Drunkenness. Nervous breakdown. Hatred of his native country. A hazy, wild-conspiracy-theory-inspired allegation that the USA is in league with “Nazis”. And finally a direct quote appraising his own life as “wasted decades”. Look, this all points to…profound personal problems.

    A little reading between the lines and many, most, of these testimonies point to something similar. (The vague flattery of host countries by retirees who do today’s equivalent of moving to Florida not necessarily counted.) Not to say that all people who go abroad have personal problems, but these seem to.

    An (only slightly) edited version of this article would be welcomed by the KCNA (North Korean Central News Agency)’s regular “This is How Hellish Life in the USA Is” features.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  16. Ace says:

    Those Americans living overseas have a case of foreigner swooning. If I’m in a foreign country it must be more human, more authentic, and more real, and the people here are so unlike those middle class, white boobs, rubes, and naifs back home where you all but trip over all those “internal refugees” shivering somewhere in a state of destitution.

    This article follows in the footsteps of many a “My Junior Year Abroad in Spain” effort. What is a sophomoric analysis of robocop America without a claim that the “country was built with slave, indentured servant, coolie and sweat shop labor.”

  17. Numinous says:
    @Anonymous

    It seems history began 50 years ago in your worldview. And I’d ask for a full refund for every history book you have opened in your life; given your abysmal level of ignorance, they are all crap.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  18. Air Hanoi is ready when you are. We never should have let any of the Vietnamese into this nation to begin with.

  19. @Hail

    Yeah this sad wreck seems pretty representative. Life is “simpler” in South Korea? Tell that to Korean high schoolers.

    I remember AmRen posted a scanned article from the 1980s that one of the site’s authors had written about an extended trip thru Africa. It was actually very even-handed; summary, Africa is extremely diverse and better than you’d think, depending on your locale, but also uniformly primitive. What stuck with me is the old Christian missionaries he encountered who arrived in the 60’s and just stayed on: all of them drank like fish. They realized they were strangers in a strange land up against a continuous human tide of suffering and dysfunction but didn’t want to admit their life’s work was a waste.

    I do deeply sympathize with immigrants. I wouldn’t want to grow old and die away from my native tongue, my place of birth, and my ethnic kin. Which tells you just how dysfunctional the rest of the world is with 1M people a year coming to the US to get away from their countrymen.

    Of course, with those numbers the immigrants are taking their nation with them and it will be like they never left, in more ways than they imagine.

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    , @Hail
  20. Thanks for this article. Now I understand why droves and droves of people are leaving America and why immigration levels from Latin America and Africa are at all-time lows. Who would want to come here?

  21. Linh, please continue to spread the word that America sucks ass and that there’s no reason any sane black, brown, or yellow person would want to immigrate to such a pathetic, mean-spirited nation.

  22. Hepp says:
    @Kiza

    Who said that US is “unquestionably worse than every country in the world on every conceivable measure”?

    The author pretty much did. He said Americans are

    1) Less intelligent than Africans
    2) People who make you feel “less human” than you do in Mexico
    3) Less friendly than Turks
    4) Less “spontaneous” than Nepalese

    Quite a scientific analysis.

    There’s more, but you get the picture. Seems like the author just talks lot of unhappy people who would be miserable no matter where they were born but blame all their problems on their native country.

    • Replies: @Bernie
  23. It’s a persistent moonbat fantasy that third-world natives are so much holier than obese, marauding Americans.

  24. Numinous says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I wouldn’t want to grow old and die away from my native tongue, my place of birth, and my ethnic kin. Which tells you just how dysfunctional the rest of the world is with 1M people a year coming to the US to get away from their countrymen.

    To the contrary, migrants today need not make such hard choices today. High levels of migrations, at least across racial-cultural barriers, would not have occurred back in the day before cheap air travel and the Internet. It is precisely because so many people can keep one foot back in the old country that they are willing to migrate.

  25. Jason Bayz says: • Website

    It’s interesting the way Linn Dinh, like many non-White and Jewish commenters, use the word “we.” He is an American who decries America(not entirely without justification), and he often uses “we” when he is decrying it. Yet you get the idea from reading him that he doesn’t really consider himself to be a part of the group of people, generic “Whites,” who he really blames for America’s problems. This isn’t unreasonable for him as a non-White, his ancestors never had any slaves in this country.(Though they might have in their own) So why does he use “we?” Because “we are all sinners” sounds better than “you are all sinners.”

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  26. As philosopher John Locke said “I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.”

    Pay no attention to what immigrants say. Most of them are not going back to their old countries.

    I am an immigrant myself and although I see some things which could be improved (for example, food,) I view them as minor nuisances.

  27. @Jason Bayz

    He is an American who decries America

    Sorry, he isn’t an American. He is a Viet who just happens to be living in the United States.

  28. @Hepp

    Linh Dinh is a long-winded idiot. I’ve lived in Asia for years. Everywhere is bad, because gov’t is everywhere. Yes, Americans are filth for still supporting a fedgov that actively hates white men. But the living is usually easy in the US.

  29. Dutch Boy says:

    Hmm… perhaps this article was written tongue-in-cheek? All you American expatriates in Mexico -please convince those friendly people to stay home and stop flooding this awful, unfriendly place up north. You expatriates in Turkey might want to discuss the friendly nature of Turks with the Armenians, Kurds and Greeks. I suspect they have a different impression.

  30. AaronB says:

    Expat life certainly isn’t for everyone, and I’ve known dozens of miserable expats. Of course, one gets the sense they’d be miserable at home too.

    The American way of life is unique in the world and seems less able to satisfy our human desires than most traditional societies. American life seems characterized by an absence of tradituon, custom, ritual, and aesthetics, and seems centred on money at the expense of human ties or sensuous, aesthetic, elements.

    The result is a somewhat flat, dull, textureless existence which breeds anomie and boredom. Immigrants to America most frequently mention the boredom they find here.

    The pay off is in material abundance. Americans seem to be hostile to pleasure – all our various diets are just various attacks on pleasurable food. And yet we are fatter than countries which celebrate the sensuousness of food. The rich and high status aren’t supposed to enjoy their wealth, but rather cultivate ‘busyness’, a constant mindless activity, and a never ceasing ‘self-improvement’ and ‘optimization’ of everything, gradually squeezing out all joy and leading to a very dreary time for all.

    Another element in American life which tends to flatten out and make dreary what could be a rich human existence is our scientific rationalism which we apply in all areas of life, and which paradoxically coexist with superstition and ignorance.

    America was an experiment – basically, found a society as much as possible on rationalist prinxiples, which means expunge it of the sensuous, aesthetic, ritualistic elements that are vital to emotional and spiritual sarisfaction, reduce the web of human ties that provide satisfaction, and prioritize material satisfactions above all others, which leads to the cult of efficiency, hygiene, and money.

    Material satisfactions and efficiency, up to a point, are vital to happiness. American exceptionalism was to make the material element the sole basis of an entire society.

    Its the grotesque extension of one element of happiness, and far from the most important, to the exclusion of all else.

    Freud thought the american experiment, since it so grotesquely ignored the rich texture of human emotional life, was a gigantic mistake.

    He was clearly right.

    But all things pass, even grotesque miscalculations about the human spirit. Sir john glubb surveyed all known empires and found they go through predictable phases and decline after about 250 years.

    And so it will be with us.

    • Replies: @Ace
  31. WJ says:

    Yep, Mexico is so darn friendly that 30 million Mexicans have to come the USA just to get away from that obnoxious friendly society. West Africa is so intellectually gifted that it has never manufactured anything of international value or even produced a single Nobel Prize winner.

    I am not some “Murika , hell yeah” type but I dont have to be, to see that this writer is trolling for emotional responses from people and most certainly doesn’t believe the twaddle that he/she writes.

  32. Every nation has its pros and cons. On balance, Anglo America stacks up very well against all the others.

    But as the old saying goes, you love your country because it’s yours.

  33. @Kiza, @George

    You guys nailed it.

    I lived one year in the States. The most miserable year of my life. I went there to improve my English (which, living in Houston, was almost impossible: everybody talked to me in Spanish, even the English-speaking people, even when I insisted they use English with me). After a year, I said “enough is enough. I want to get out of this prison”.

    Although it is an oversimplification, Carl Sagan said in the “The Dragons of Eden” that there are three parts in the brain: the reptilian brain (sex, status, money), the limbic brain (emotions, feelings) and the human brain (intelligence, beauty). When I got to the States, I said to myself: “My God, this is a completely reptilian country”. Money, money, money, sex, sex, sex, status, status, status, pride, pride, pride. Intelligence? Not so much. Culture? Very little. Feelings, friendship, human warmth, beauty? Not much. Common sense? Very rare. Family? They live in the same city and see each other once a year. Driving, working and spending money? A lot. Stupid regulations? Lots of them.

    I used to play a little game when I was driving the long distances between home and work. I went to the street and count the number of people that I saw until I saw somebody smiling. Sometimes I could see nobody smiling for half an hour.

    Yes, a lot of immigrants go there. Only the bottom of the social ladder: the ones that don’t have anything to lose. America has a lot of money (although it is so easy to spend it). Immigrants, as people who work minimum-wage job, gather a bit of money to send to their families in their countries, because the exchange favors them. In the home country, things are cheap so their families live better.

    I know that this can be offensive for a lot of people. I don’t blame Americans. They are mostly good people and the most honest people in the planet. They are mostly devoid of envy and bad feelings. They are trustworthy and trust other people (this is why they have been oppressed by the elites: too trusting). The system they live is a nightmare, that’s all. Like the frog, they don’t realize the discomfort until they are toasted.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @vinteuil
  34. Vendetta says:

    Here’s an interesting question – where in the world is a country that’s actually less personable and hospitable than America?

    • Replies: @Sparkling Wiggle
  35. Kiza says:
    @imnobody00

    You have written it better than I have, by applying your personal experience. I have spent similar amount of time as you have in the US, mostly in LA. But I dealt with corporate individuals of the military-industrial complex and I missed to meet those US people that you describe:
    “They are mostly good people and the most honest people in the planet. They are mostly devoid of envy and bad feelings. They are trustworthy and trust other people…”.

    What I saw in the US was the most beautiful land on Earth, badly damaged by “civilization”. The US is a rich country for three basic reasons:
    1) the US people grabbed the richest land on Earth and exploited it ruthlessly,
    2) using the most powerful military they now pillage the rest of the World, mostly for oil (energy) and minerals, and
    3) they do work very, very hard.

    I had rough time with the roughies from the Rockies (Colorado, Wyoming and Montana), but they were honest and straight talking people. I enjoyed the friendliness of Mississippi and Georgia. But, I agree with you that the East Coast and especially the West Coast of the US are totally reptilian. That in itself was an interesting experience, because I have never met such creatures in my life before. Overall, I did not find any place in the US where I would have loved to live.

    I just find the reactions of the US people in these comments immensely funny. They are just proving what Linh wrote – among other things, unjustified extreme self-confidence, intolerance, exceptionalism and xenophobia are dominant characteristics of the US character (as bad as generalizations can be). But #1 fun comes from their claims here that everyone wants to live in the US. Too many North Africans are now desperate to get into Europe as well. If you wreck a country, cause a civil war, exploit a country ruthlessly through its corrupt elite, all standard feats of the US elite, then you create such poverty and misery that people have to leave their own country and come to a place from which they can support their families back home (thanks to a pumped up exchange rate). All these anti-Linh US commentators do not have sufficient intelligence to establish a link between, for example, the US-trained death squads for Central and South America and millions who push up from down South into the US. Likewise, the US and EU wrecked Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and then the Mediterranean Sea get swamped by boat people trying to get into EU. But the reptilian brains of these US individuals are incapable of comprehending such simple causality.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Jack_W
    , @Ace
  36. vinteuil says:

    I can’t believe I read the whole thing.

    Jeezus H. Christ – what an opportunist.

  37. vinteuil says:
    @imnobody00

    “I lived one year in the States … I went there to improve my English (which, living in Houston, was almost impossible: everybody talked to me in Spanish, even the English-speaking people, even when I insisted they use English with me).”

    imnobody00, you are, quite obviously, lying. Why are you lying?

    • Replies: @Kiza
  38. George123 says:

    And the problem is that China, America’s only credible competitor and potential successor, has adopted the worst features of American culture. The religion of soulless materialism, hard work, and obnoxious egotism is almost more developed there than here.

    If you read Bertrand Russel on China a hundred years ago he describes a society that almost the polar opposite of America in its refined humanism and devotion the aesthetic and emotionally satisfying aspects of life. And yet all that is gone, and China has reinvented itself as the worst kind of second rate European capitalist power of the 19th century.

    I’ve been to China, and I do business with Chinese immigrants in America all the time – they are almost worse than Americans in their bumptious provincial egotism, lack of class, taste, and style, and mindless materialism and status-seeking.

    What happened to China is one of the worlds most poignant tragedies. In order to survive the onslaught of rapacious and ruthless Westerners, China out-barbarianed the barbarians and went from being one of the worlds most civilized countries to one of its least.

    The traumas that Europeans inflicted on China threatened its very survival, but one wonders if they had to go quite so far in adopting the worst traits of Europeans. Japan seems to have performed that fragile balancing act of appropriating Western elements without entirely losing its soul far better.

    The irony is tragic and poignant – the China that is masterfully reasserting itself is merely a crude copy of the baser elements of European culture. In other words, Chinese civilization hasn’t made a comeback, rather 19th century European materialism is just experiencing one more incarnation, like a metastatic cancer.

    Perhaps culture and humanism will survive only in the periphery? Perhaps the great power centers will be given over to a new age of barbarism? Anyone who has been even to Thailand can testify that it is a far more civilized place than China.

  39. vinteuil says:
    @Kiza

    Kiza, if you honestly mistook imnobody00’s obvious fiction for some sort of truthful report of “personal experience,” then – well – how stupid would that be?

    But I think you probably didn’t really make any such mistake.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  40. Jack_W says:
    @Kiza

    “. . . and xenophobia are dominant characteristics of the US character . . .”

    We could stand to have more xenophobia. If we are xenophobic, then why are we tolerating open-borders?

    “. . . for example, the US-trained death squads for Central and South America and . . .”

    I am willing to consider that the School of the Americas trained US and Latin American legit armed forces in anti-guerilla tactics, through an on-going exchange program, and that it was the endemic SOCIOPATHS in every society who used that training to rape nuns and kill priests, or whatever.

    Sometimes, it’s just the crazies.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  41. Bernie says:
    @Hepp

    And for some reason these warm-hearted Africans, Turks, Koreans and Mexicans flood into the US and Europe while not allowing immigration into their own pristine lands.

  42. Ace says:
    @AaronB

    >> American exceptionalism was to make the material element the sole basis of an entire society. <<

    It was all about creating a government based on the consent of the governed and attempting to limit the size of the federal government while at the same time keeping most important decisions as close as possible to the people.

    It really very simple. It had nothing to do with materialism.

    • Replies: @George123
  43. Kiza says:
    @Jack_W

    Yeah, only a few rotten apples …
    Reads kind’a familiar, does it not?
    Someone famous said the same for Abu Ghraib torture, another beautiful achievement of the US spirit.

    • Replies: @Jack_W
  44. Ace says:
    @Kiza

    Ah, the death squads, the death squads. More evidence of the reptilian American brain.

  45. Kiza says:
    @vinteuil

    In response to imnobody00′s “fiction” I wrote my “fiction”. Fiction is obviously your code word for “I do not like it”.

    BTW, I have written many times before – the US will be one of the most popular countries in the World once it starts taking care of its own problems and leaves the rest of the World alone. Mind your own business US people, nobody on Earth or in Heaven has given you the right to interfere into other peoples’ business.

    Except for the members of the corrupt elites in the foreign countries who would be disappointed for losing the backing of the US military and secret services, the rest of the World would be delighted by such turn of events.

  46. Kiza says:
    @George123

    George, your writing is great. I share your view of China and the Chinese too. Only, I justify this by the fact that they got too rich too quickly. The Western Europeans developed their crassness, barbarism and high material standard of living over the centuries of colonial rule. Then they started developing culture. For example, with Industrial Revolution Britain came from almost nowhere to become firstly rich and then cultured. Reading their “history” now, one would think they were civilized always, throughout history, but this is patently false.

    Humans have a need to satisfy and over-satisfy their material needs first, then they start developing culture, art and sensitivity. The Chinese and the Vietnamese were terribly, terribly poor, give them a bit more time, I do not know, maybe they will develop a more balanced society with a spiritual side. Maybe not.

    • Replies: @George123
  47. Ace says:
    @George123

    Russell’s 1922 thoughts on China mirror Mr. Dinh’s. Those foreigners are just a cut above us white guys, come down to it.

    The Chinese have a civilization and a national temperament in many ways superior to those of white men. A few Europeans ultimately discover this, but Americans never do. They remain always missionaries—not of Christianity, though they often think that is what they are preaching, but of Americanism. What is Americanism? “Clean living, clean thinking, and pep,” I think an American would reply. This means, in practice, the substitution of tidiness for art, cleanliness for beauty, moralizing for philosophy, prostitutes for concubines (as being easier to conceal), and a general air of being fearfully busy for the leisurely calm of the traditional Chinese. Voltaire—that hardened old cynic—laid it down that the true ends of life are “aimer et penser.” Both are common in China, but neither is compatible with “pep.” The American influence, therefore, inevitably tends to eliminate both. If it prevailed it would, no doubt, by means of hygiene, save the lives of many Chinamen, but would at the same time make them not worth saving. It cannot therefore be regarded as wholly and altogether satisfactory.

    Well, there you have it. Americans: The enemies of love and thought, substituting prostitutes for concubines, clueless about what Christianity is, and likely to save the lives of many Chinese through sophomoric attention to hygiene. The Chinese saved thus would not be worth saving. I infer that hygiene was a real problem then but the love and the thinking made life worth living in spite of it.

    You can’t make this stuff up, as we often hear. Who are these pompous asses who are capable of writing such drivel? That buffoon Russell even describes being carried in a chair where “the way was rough and very steep, the work for the coolies very severe.” Did it occur to Russell to get out of the chair where it was so rough and help out the coolies? you ask. Answer: no bleeping way.

    One Chinese gent in, I think, the 1930s or ’40s remarked that the flush toilet brought more civilization to China than all the writings of Confucius. A Chinese friend visited his father’s home village in Guangdong in recent years and, given his report of the smell and the flies of that as yet undeveloped place, I am inclined to believe him.

    • Replies: @George123
  48. Kiza says:
    @vinteuil

    Has it occurred to you that imnobody00 could be from a Spanish speaking country? Would that not be a logical explanation for his “fiction” from Texas, of everyone speaking with him in Spanish?

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  49. George123 says:
    @Ace

    And you don’t see how that relates?

    The US was about making a country based on rationalist principles stripped of tradition, custom, and all the aesthetic and emotional arrangements and compromises that a historical nation develops over time, that are not, indeed, “rational”, but serve human needs.

    In this arid environment, utilitarian considerations are the only ones that matter. The rationalist utilitarian perspective has so colonized our minds that we can’t even perceive it anymore. Take food – every healthy culture views food as having rich emotional, aesthetic, and historical associations. We literally think of food in terms of calories, carbs, fats, and proteins. It has zero spiritual meaning for us. The loss of value in terms of the texture of life can only be grasped by someone who has experienced a traditional food culture, with its rituals, customs, flavors, aesthetic arrangements, and social ceremonies.

    The funny thing is that calories are supposed to be a device to help us stay thin, yet it is the cultures that resolutely refuse to reduce food to calories that successfully stay thin. Yet it never occurs to our rationalist society that the human mind isn’t designed to think of food in abstractions like calories, and the more we do so the more we will develop a dysfunctional relationship to food. Such an “irrational” idea would never be entertained or studied in America. It goes against the cultural grain.

    Take clothing. There is a national prejudice against refinement or beauty in clothing, especially for men. Clothing is supposed to be utilitarian and workmanlike and utterly divorced from any aesthetic or emotional consideration. Again, the loss of texture to life is enormous.

    I listed these two relatively trivial examples to show how pervasive the stripping of emotion from human life is in America – there are much more significant examples ready to hand. Emotional aridity, not by default but by conviction, reaches even the trivia of our life.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  50. George123 says:
    @Kiza

    Thanks, Kiza!

    I do hold out hope that China, Vietnam, and other Asian countries will recover their cultural balance in time. I don’t think their corruption is necessarily final, and I realize its in response to extreme national traumas we can hardly imagine. China’s very survival as an independent nation was at stake, and it can’t be easy to develop a nuanced response to that.

    At the end of the day, the immense history of Asia pulls against the recent changes, and let us hope that will be the decisive factor.

  51. Jack_W says:
    @Kiza

    OK, not meaning to argue but . . . I never said “a few”.

    As there is the recognized 3-levels of analysis, Nationstate/ Organizations/ Individual, perhaps sometimes it’s the crazies working in governments and organizations. It’s sociopathy as opposed to Machiavelianism, Antisocial Personality Disorder as opposed to extreme patriotism. Lots of times governments, militaries, and police don’t see the difference.

    If you want to change “The System”, you have to get the correct level of analysis.

    Sociopaths are attracted to governments, specifically the power that governments provide, because they don’t have power themselves to act out. Why? Because they’re crazy. They’re mentally ill. Cops and national security types don’t understand this??? Nope. Not in America.

    So anyway, Off Topic? That’s why people want to bail out of America; it recruits the crazies and won’t fix it.

    *I* never said “a few”.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  52. George123 says:
    @Ace

    I’m not against hygiene and development per se, and I don’t think Russell was either, but when a civilization elevates them to the supreme values, as America has, they cannot form the basis for a satisfying human life. Balance in all things.

    The refined humanism of the old Chinese civilization, despite rendering it helpless in the face of ferocious Westerners, was an immensely more satisfying human arrangement than anything to be found in the West. Russel was not the only person to think so – a common theme in Western writers on Asia in the 19th century was the oddly more satisfying texture of life in Asia, and the strange inability of the West to provide a spiritually satisfying counterpart. The West has bred an entire class of disaffected adventurers who sought emotional solace in the non-West – from Captain Sir Richard Burton, to Rimbaud, the likes of which have no clear analogues in other cultures. Clearly there is something inadequate in Western life. This is an almost repetitive refrain in 19th century European writings on the on-West.

    The West has many glories, but it has missed something vital, and as America is the purified expression of Western values stripped of its contingent historical accretions, it amplifies this Western inadequacy to a grotesque degree.

  53. Kiza says:
    @George123

    My small contribution regarding one of your examples – the food.

    Some US guy, Wilbur Atwater, burned different foods in a lab furnace and measured how much heat such burning released. This is the caloric content of food which is now everywhere, on every package of processed food.

    Does your stomach look like a furnace? My belly looks like a beer fridge.

    Can it get any more stupid than this!?

  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Lol at the level of but hurt from the readers of Unz. All people do here is write about how the west is crumbling, but as soon as someone (a yellow man even) reflects the sentiment and talks about it you hear the white people here freak out.

    How dare someone notice our crumbling cities?

  55. Kiza says:
    @Jack_W

    I am sincerely sorry if you feel that I put “a few” into your keyboard. You clearly did not. But I am allergic to such propaganda terms as “a few rotten apples in a barrel of nice smelling apples”.

    I do not disagree with you, but I think you are missing to recognize that the problem is not even in the sociopaths attracted to the US military, police and government. It is a sick system overall and all US people are the victims of it because they adjusted to it. This just adds even more to my main point that the US should leave the rest of the World alone and focus on its own problems.

    In my outsider’s opinion, the US people need to get back the control of the run-away system which will doom of them all. The corporates of the financial industry, military-industrial-secret complex and the pharma industry are eating out, like worms, the brain and the heart of the US nation.

  56. Oooh, I’m so spiritual and enlightened compared to those awful practical and unemotional Americans. They have no culture, just busily going to work work work and obsessed with hygiene.

    True indeed. Americans (at least those of us whose origins here predate the 20th Century) won’t be found with plates in our lips, dressed like peacocks and wearing flowerpots on our heads. We don’t spend all day sitting on the street eating richly traditional foods purchased from a man who has never washed his hands. We won’t jump up and down shouting spiritually when we see a child run down by a bus with no steering or brakes and overloaded by a factor of ten. We won’t spend our lives in our ancestral home watching the rains pour through the roof to provide the only cleaning the place had since it was constructed.

    True enough, we nasty boring Americans spend all our time fixing things and making things work better. Instead of embracing the spiritual world, we take our broken children off the road and to a hospital where they may be mended and restored. We mold the earth and its resources to our will. And the vast majority of us are okay with this.

    Where we agree too is that America should never have forced itself on the world. Africa should not have flush toilets or clean water – it was cruel of America to force these things into the continent. Asia should not have food hygiene, the Internet, automobiles, or antibiotics – how terrible of us to force that on such noble people. Many mistakes have been made and its past time we correct them. Begin with sending back to America all electrical devices, internal combustion engines, modern medicines, plumbing, etc. We will do our part by sending you all our “spiritual” malcontents. It’s a beginning..

  57. @George123

    I have a friend who somehow got in on investing in cheap Dollar Tree level goods factories in China when it was easier to get in the game. He did fabulously because, well, he was a redneck. Their equivalent s are the people you go to to get stuff done. He said it was no fundamentally different than dealing with a north Georgia county boss. People who write stuff like this have all the naivite of the student doing a sophomore year abroad, as the commentor above noted. That or a particularly schmaltzy National Geographic piece.

    And the alcoholic expat who says ” life is simpler” in Korea. Korea??? Unreliable narrator there.

    There’s something ghoulish and pathetic about everyone in this piece, and it doesn’t take being a xenophobe to have that impression.

    • Replies: @Hail
  58. Hail says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I wouldn’t want to grow old and die away from my native tongue, my place of birth, and my ethnic kin

    Right. Considering that Dave seems to not want to return, it’s worth trying to understand him.

    Let’s consider who Dave might be.

    We know he was born about 1976. Where was he born and raised? His writeup doesn’t say. His willingness to put in print the crazed allegation that the USA actively collaborates with and promotes “Nazis” implies that he was likely raised in a strongly left-wing cultural milieu (a rural Alabamian would very unlikely entertain such notions), perhaps Southern California, to take one possibility. Let’s further imagine Dave was of typical Core American ethnocultural background (Christian, NW-European origin), as seems likely from his writeup.

    Out in California, Dave may have spent his entire life, from his earliest memories in the early 1980s and on through the Obama administration, witnessing two things (1) Everybody, but everybody, in his environment endorsing (either loudly or tacitly) how bad the Core American ethnoculture is. Slavery, Jim Crow, genocide of Indians, and so on. (Note that the Martin Luther King holiday passed when he was in elementary school.) (2) Steady White Core American decline in his home region, to today being, what, maybe a 1/6th of California public schools. Very nearly all service jobs in the state are dominated by Nonwhites.

    This must all have been deeply disturbing to poor Dave, who like everyone else, even Northern Europeans, want, as Anti-Gnostic says here, to live and die among their own kith and kin, a place to proudly call their “native land”. Dave was subject to an evil and nasty campaign to hate his own kindred from the earliest age, and also saw his home region overwhelmed by outsiders in the same period. This must have been psychologically traumatic. How could it not have been?

    Dave, I can further conjecture, lacked the will to make a hard analysis of the situation, to include coming to radical conclusions. Instead, it seems to me, he doubled down on what people now call “The Narrative”, and (non-coincidentally) sank ever deeper into misery. He still holds onto the myths he picked up as a child, that the USA is a brutal racist ogre, and so on. This is exactly what the people who control the USA now want the people to believe, of course. We even have the president of the USA regularly chiming in to that effect. Dave is a model American, in this sense. It’s funny how that works, isn’t it.

    If Dave were ten or twenty years younger, he would have had access to the Internet, so a radical critique of the system would’ve been easier to find when he was looking for answers, say between ages 15 and 25 (he turned 20 about 1996, de facto pre-Internet).

    Poor Dave.

    Maybe he really is more to be pitied than scolded.

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  59. Hail says: • Website
    @Yaqub the mad scientist

    There’s something ghoulish and pathetic about everyone in this piece, and it doesn’t take being a xenophobe to have that impression.

    Well put. I wonder how the author, Linh Dinh, found these people — Or how they found him.

  60. @Vinteuil

    “I lived one year in the States … I went there to improve my English (which, living in Houston, was almost impossible: everybody talked to me in Spanish, even the English-speaking people, even when I insisted they use English with me).”

    imnobody00, you are, quite obviously, lying. Why are you lying?

    Your comment does not deserve an answer because you are insulting me with no evidence whatsoever. Obviously, you must know my life better than me and I have to accept your superior knowledge about my life. This is the arrogance of some Americans (not all of them, of course, there are mostly nice people). Know-it-alls that do not know anything.

    However, I will reply because all the people who are reading this, not for people like you, who only deserve my contempt. I write quickly because I am in a hurry and my English is far from perfect.

    It was difficult to learn English in Houston, a city where the bus station has a big title “Estación de autobuses” (not, not in both languages, only in Spanish). Houston is full of Mexicans.

    Being from Spain (in Europe), I went to the States to work in a bilingual program in an elementary school in Houston ISD. Kids and teachers spoke in Spanish. All the people who came from Spain with me obviously spoke Spanish. When I went to the Houston mall (Galeria) to order some food, I said: “I want this and this” (in English). The woman who was selling me the food told me: “Y de acompañamiento que quiere, ¿frijolitos?” (In Spanish). Of course, she had detected my accent.

    I went to the pharmacy to buy money orders to pay the utilities. The pharmacist insisted in talking to me in Spanish, even if he was an English-speaking guy. I guess he was proud of knowing some Spanish, and his Spanish was good in general.

    In government offices there were forms in Spanish and English and civil servants that talked to you in Spanish. When you call companies for customer services, you heard “Press 1 for English- Para español marque 2”. Obviously, I am a bit insecure in my English so if Spanish is available I will use it. The problem is that you go to a country to be forced to use the language.

    The closest Wall-mart was in a street two miles away from my apartment. They closed it for a while, translated all the products and the titles of the aisles into Spanish and opened it again. This was about 4 miles from the Loop in Houston (not at the outskirsts of the city, but very centric). I was not living in a ghetto but in a pretty condo with lots of Americans (It resembled Melrose Place, I liked that, no apartments with pools in my country).

    Yellow pages were in Spanish. Banners in the street were often in Spanish. When my Spanish friends and I talked to each other, we used to say: “This has been a wasted year. We have not learned English”. Of course, it is not true. I picked up some vocabulary. For example, I know the lane to get in the high way is called “feeder” and the headmaster is called “principal”. But I could have picked up some vocabulary in my home country reading a book. I wanted to improve my fluency.

    But I guess you know I am lying, don’t you, Mr. Know-it-All?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  61. Pat Casey says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    But would you not say that the USA is mostly a gigantic mass of rootless, atomized, consumers of junk food for the mind? Agreed that the anecdotals come across as outsiders. But doesn’t that rather suggest their instincts are actually sound, or am I projecting a dimmer view of the USA onto you than you have? Maybe you think roots can take root in this nation more than I do. I just don’t know that there is much of a volk in the USA that’s well-rounded and not radical. I mean, hate speech is usually more interesting than pie in the sky, but seriously, the people who want to round up or rile up a volk in this country are not pleasant people, because they are full of hate, anti-social. Sorry, that’s a tangent, and I’m not imputing hate to you, just saying, in general. But this piece and then your comment did catch my eye because I actually have decided to leave this country for my ancestral nation…when the government lets me leave. (Probation is inconvenient that way.) I increasingly feel like living in this country is a catch-22: Endless War, B.C. Jenner, A Simmering Police State—the USA has quite obviously lost its mind in my opinion. And I think its healthy that that bothers me so, that I’m an outsider that way, and that I simply want to leave.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  62. vinteuil says:
    @Kiza

    “Has it occurred to you that imnobody00 could be from a Spanish speaking country? Would that not be a logical explanation for his ‘fiction’ from Texas, of everyone speaking with him in Spanish?”

    No, Kiza, that particular excuse didn’t occur to me, because it quite obviously doesn’t jibe with his original post.

    Btw – I don’t particularly blame you for what you do, but I do blame you for being so bad at it.

  63. “What is Americanism? ‘Clean living, clean thinking, and pep,’”

    Not even in fiction, anymore, Bunkie. Unless “pep” means Viagra.

    Jack Armstrong is out.

    “Cait” Jenner and the Trashcanians are in.

    A nation in which boobs are multiplying faster, can’t be found.

    As for why so many come to the “Golden Mountain”: they are those most easily influenced by Hollywood’s dream factory propaganda – if it were supposed to be like that anywhere else, the suckers and most desperate would be flocking there too, instead of waiting for pie in the sky.

    But there is a species of immigrants whose special dreams do come true in America – the wealthy international bankster class.

  64. Hacienda says:
    @Numinous

    For any white man who has only learned at the teet of white written history, the world must seem like a vastly strange and distorted place.

  65. vinteuil says:
    @imnobody00

    OK, imnobody00, you got me. My irony detection system was turned off.

    “I write quickly because I am in a hurry and my English is far from perfect.”

    Followed by several paragraphs of very nearly perfect English.

    I wonder if Kiza gets the joke.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @dcite
  66. “For any white man who has only learned at the teet of white written history, the world must seem like a vastly strange and distorted place.”

    As one of the western imperialists who drew the artificial lines in the Middle East during WWI to better divide and conquer the inhabitants, Winnie Churchill quipped:

    “I intend that history be kind to me, for I intend to write it.”

    Churchill’s “History of the English-Speaking Peoples” being one of the fulfillments.

    Unlike some modern despots there, he had no intention of forgoing the use of poison gas, recommending its full use on any of the lesser populations who rebelled against British occupation.

  67. Kiza says:
    @vinteuil

    Yeah, it could be a joke, maybe imnobody00 is a WASP making a joke at my expense and a few other commentators here. Firstly you called him a liar, then a joker. Does not look like you have a grip on it. I do not dare even ask a knowledgeable person such as you what I am bad at:
    “I don’t particularly blame you for what you do, but I do blame you for being so bad at it”. I am expressing my opinion about an article. Do you see another lie or a joke in this too?

  68. Kiza says:
    @Hail

    The first step on the path of enlightenment is to read an opposite view of the world or your country, which you did. Even if this view is opposite to the firmly established self-preconceptions that the US nation is the savior of the World (especially savior of Africa, poor Africa with such savior). It is much more mentally comfortable to live in a mono-opinionated environment, the land of the group-think. But there is no insight in such environment, there is no progress. The opposite point a few is like a little trigger, often denied and despised, forgotten, pushed to the back of the mind. But one day, when sufficient evidence mounts, it comes to the surface and, just sometimes, become a new belief.

    The only thing that your “analysis” of Dave proves is that US is just the kind of country he described: narrow-minded, shallow and full of prejudices. And the way I described the US: unjustified extreme self-confidence, intolerance, exceptionalism and xenophobia.

    I wish you to never drop to the bottom of a bottle like he has, which does not make him any worse than you are, maybe better.

    BTW, there is a small but growing percentage of people renouncing the US citizenship. This number has been growing so much that the US Government introduced an exit-fee. I believe that the US is the only country in the World to charge an exit fee for those leaving its claws, would love if somebody with the knowledge of this could add more info.

  69. ” I believe that the US is the only country in the World to charge an exit fee for those leaving ”

    The Soviets used to do this, on the theory that the person owed the government for all the educational and other benefits received, that would never be repaid by their labor if they lost him, and thus ought to be reimbursed.

    But despite the steep fee, with a long waiting period, it does not relieve if granted from continuing to pay taxes to the U.S. for a period of at least ten years, possibly never ending.

    If a citizen intends to leave the territory of the U.S. permanently, he cannot legally do so without first waiting for and obtaining a written waiver, a long process.

    The old saw that what others are accused of, one does oneself, has been fulfilled.

    As we enter the era of inverted totalitarianism, as described by political philosopher Sheldon Wolin, western government’s control of individuals becomes ever more unchecked, both expansive and invasive and completely detached from democratic accountability.

  70. Cato says:

    My friend Linh has taken some great photographs. But never in my neighbourhood. I think he needs to get off of his “edge”–where he is just an academic tourist with prurient interests–and get busy with seeing the real America. A place with a science-based civilization that has created the highest living standards ever seen. Ever. No kidding.

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    , @George123
  71. pyrrhus says:
    @Hepp

    Hence the term WAWA for the perpetual disfunction of the region–West Africa Wins Again…

  72. @Cato

    Yeah but where are the high speed magnetic trains?

    But can’t argue that this isn’t true, if only for the 1%:

    “A place with a science-based civilization that has created the highest living standards ever seen. Ever. No kidding.”

    The very limited and one-sided deployment of its fruits, made possible by labor which created wealth confiscated by elites, is due to the erosion of democratic accountability, supplanted with that of supplication to political donors. A lot of it has been squandered on global militarism in pursuit of the financial aims of the same elites.

  73. George123 says:
    @Cato

    ” A place with a science-based civilization that has created the highest living standards ever seen. Ever. No kidding.”

    I live in NYC. The richest city in America. Bangkok has more first world infrastructure. The NY subway would put New Delhi to shame.

    Personally, I like this aspect of NY, its sense of crumbling Third World decay, because it lends it atmosphere and humanizes it. I don’t like gleaming sterile metropolises.

    But I often wonder, amid the appalling stench, the giant rats, the garbage on the tracks, the peeling paint, the rusted beams, the deafening shriek of subway cars, the metallic screech of the wheels, the lurching and swaying of the trains that make it impossible to relax, the subway platform that force you to walk dangerously close to unguarded tracks just to navigate your way to an exit, that as much as I enjoy this kind of decay porn, what a visitor from – not Tokyo, not Oslo, that would be too easy, not even London – but someone from India or Thailand thinks of the promise of American wealth, comfort, and material ease, the best, perhaps only, thing America is considered to deliver to its citizens.

    Perhaps it brings home to their minds the fact that statistics about wealth say little about how that wealth is distributed in a country?

    As America increasingly fails to deliver on its Faustian bargain – your soul for material comfort – perhaps we can find some consolation in the notion that people will turn to more enduring forms of human satisfaction?

  74. George123 says:

    I think too many people on this post believe this is a criticism of American people as such, or (in my case), Western people as such, but that is a misleading impression.

    Americans are simply the people born here. When I spoke of a mysterious inadequacy in Western life, I never meant to imply a mysterious inadequacy in Western man as such. The fact that the Chinese have shown no ability to resist the worst forms of Western corruption, and have reinvented themselves in our image, makes clear beyond any doubt that the Chinese do not have any innate superiority. In many ways, they have embraced the corruption more deeply, and more completely, than we have, at least for the time being.

    Westerners were the first victims of a humanly alienating transformation that merely began in the West. The sense of spiritual dislocation and loss voiced by the Romantic poets and countless critics like Ruskin make clear the transition to a society based on endless consumption and egotism was as wrenching for Westerners as it was any Asian. Sometimes I read in books about Japan how modernization was the grafting of a harsh foreign implant onto the Japanese psyche in a disruptive process Westerners cannot understand. Yet Westerner societies themselves were colonized by this harsh element in a process just as spiritually dislocating.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  75. Kiza says:
    @George123

    Hello George, maybe you should write an article yourself.

    A case in point: the Asian craziness about brands (mostly Western brands), starting from Japan, through SE Asia, to China. Such personal insecurity reflected in reliance on Luis Vuitton, Gucci, Apple, Nike, Adidas and tens of other brands to prop up weak egos. Often, a logo splashed all over a consumption item, as if it were an advertising banner.

    The current generation does not know that this was the way of the West about 50-60 years ago, when the consumerism in the West was still relatively young. Now the brands have to be discrete if they want to sell – a very small logo.

    Naturally, this is only one small example, there are much bigger and much worse ways in which “the Chinese have shown no ability to resist the worst forms of Western corruption”.

    May I guess that you were not educated in the US although you now live in the US?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kiza

    No insight… No progress!

    We have no shortage of insights…It all really adds up to completely irreconcilable differences. It’s not somthing that will be discussed away….the only ‘progress’ we will see is a rapid progression into what I’m afraid will be a very ugly, very bloody war.

    It’s coming.

    Also for the record, western culinary traditions are every bit a rich as anyone else’s…can we get over this meme that Europeans can’t cook… It’s dumb.

  77. AaronB says:
    @Kiza

    Thanks, kiza, I feel I’ve probably written far too many “articles” on this thread already.

    You are right, logo displays are a tacky indication of an immature consumer culture, and it’s a good example of how Asians can be even more ridiculous, and more status anxious, than us. Japan really has no excuse.

    I was born and educated in America but my parents are European, and I spent most of my 20s travelling and working in Asia and Europe. Such a life makes for interesting comparisons. Early on it dawned on me that there is something gravely missing in the American way of life.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  78. @Kiza

    No estoy haciendo una broma. ¿Tengo que hablar en español para demostrarlo? ¿O debería hablar en un inglés pésimo para que no se me insulte, llamándome “mentiroso”? Estoy hablando completamente en serio. No me cuesta escribir inglés, pero hablarlo es difícil. He estudiado toda mi vida el inglés (un idioma que me cuesta bastante), pero la práctica me ayuda a mejorar.

    El problema es que vinteuil me dijo que soy un mentiroso y cuando demostré con datos que sabía de lo que hablaba, se agarró de mi nivel de inglés como una teoría de la conspiración absurda para no ser humillado por su arrogancia.

    Supongo que ahora vinteuil saldrá con alguna absurda teoría como que soy un WASP que he estudiado español, he usado Google Translate o soy un misionero estadounidense en América Latina.

    Todo menos reconocer que me insultó y pedir disculpas. ¿Por qué es tan difícil para algunos estadounidenses admitir que están equivocados? Todos nos equivocamos alguna vez, pues nadie es perfecto.

    Translation:

    I am not joking. Should I speak in Spanish to prove it? Or maybe should speak in bad English so I am not being insulted saying I am a liar? I’m completely serious. It’s not difficult for me to write English but speaking it is hard for me. I have studied English for all my life (a language that is very hard for me) but practice helps me to improve.

    It’s only that vinteuil told me I was a liar and, when I prove with data that I knew what I was talking about, he took my English level as an absurd conspiracy theory so he wouldn’t been humiliated by his arrogance.

    I guess vinteuil will come with an absurd theory such as I am a WASP who has studied Spanish, I have used Google Translate or I am an American missionary in Latin America.

    Everything except admitting that he was wrong and apologize. Why is so hard for some American people to admit they are wrong? Everybody is wrong sometimes because nobody is perfect.

    I attach the same paragraph in Catalan (a Spanish language which I am native speaker) so to prove my authenticity. Let’s see now what is the next absurd theory of vinteuil.

    No estic bromejant. He de parlar en castellà per demostrar-ho? O caldria que parlés en un pèssim anglés per tal que no se m’insulti, dient-me “mentider”? Estic parlant seriosament del tot. No em costa escriure anglés, però parlar-lo és difícil. He estudiat tota la vida l’anglés (una llengua que em costa força), però la pràctica m’ajuda a millorar.

    El problema és que vinteuil em va dir que sóc un mentider i quan vaig demostrar amb dades que sabia del que parlava, es va agafar del meu nivell d’anglés com una teoria de la conspiració absurda per no ser humiliat per la seva arrogància.

    Suposo que ara vinteuil sortirà amb alguna absurda teoria com que sóc un WASP que he estudiat castellà, he usat Google Translate o sóc un missioner americà en Amèrica Llatina.

    Tot menys reconéixer que m’ha insultat i demanar disculpes. Per què és tan difícil per alguns americans admetre que estan equivocats. Tots ens equivoquem alguna vegada, perquè ningú no és perfecte.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Kiza
  79. vinteuil says:
    @imnobody00

    Look, dude, let’s revisit your original comment:

    “I lived one year in the States … I went there to improve my English (which, living in Houston, was almost impossible: everybody talked to me in Spanish, even the English-speaking people, even when I insisted they use English with me).” (Emphasis added)

    The one think I know that can’t possibly be is an accurate report of experienced reality, in Houston, Texas. I’ve, like, been there, my friend.

  80. Kiza says:
    @imnobody00

    Move on my friend, move on. At least Vinteuil is just a stubbornly mistaken individual, there are some paid propagandists here on unz.com as well.

    I have been to Houston too and I have seen a large Mexican population (soon becoming a majority in most Southern US states). I know also that most English speakers in the US who are learning Spanish take every opportunity to practice their Spanish. Therefore, I could believe that they would want to speak it with imnobody00, especially if his Spanish was of a more traditional variety than the Mexican Spanish (the vowels lose strength while consonants are fully pronounced).

    But, ok Vinteuil, you win – imnobody00 is a pretender, happy now?”

  81. Kiza says:
    @AaronB

    “..logo displays are a tacky indication of an immature consumer culture, and it’s a good example of how Asians can be even more ridiculous, and more status anxious, than us. Japan really has no excuse…”

    My thoughts, you expressed them better.

    Yes, you appear to be one of those US people, just like Ron Unz, with an open mind, brain capacity and developed character not to take offence from critical writing such as Linh Dinh’s. I sincerely think that people like you are the only hope of the US, to steer it out of the current deadly grove of economic, financial, social and war-seeking decline. I know that individual’s contribution cannot be huge, but every word you write does effect, so please keep writing. The biggest danger to the World now is the US, will it recover or will it sink further down into island of privilege inside a sea of anarchy? Apparently, the US “elite” is buying escape pods, the farms in New Zealand.

  82. denk says:
    @George123

    *What happened to China is one of the worlds most poignant tragedies. In order to survive the onslaught of rapacious and ruthless Westerners, China out-barbarianed the barbarians and went from being one of the worlds most civilized countries to one of its least.*

    china is a long way from becoming a civilised society but…
    when it comes to barbarism the west, unitedsnake in particular is so far ahead its practically in a league all by itself,
    http://web.archive.org/web/20060110155951/http://www.richardneville.com/Journal/2004/journal161204.html
    as far as i can see, the chinese are not even in sight. !

  83. George and Kiza condemn the shallowness of the West because they never got BJs from hot girls at night clubs when they were in their teens and early twenties. Condemnations of materialism are thin veils for jealousy.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hepp

    Us fat people make up the major flaw in the U.S.? My god, is anyone that stupid?

    I live in a state where the governor literally wanted to take the food out of the mouths of children — approximately one in five children in this state is food-insecure. Say anything you like about poor people in the U.S. — poor people are far likelier to be fat due to the stress of their lives and the expensiveness of high-quality food — and you are lauded as heroic.

    The U.S. leads the world in killing the planet. And before someone says something about China, remember they are the physical location manufacturing all the crap produced by American corporations so you can consume, consume, consume.

    We are a greedy, rapacious, and vicious nation that spends most of its time telling itself how good and just we are. But our major flaw is that some of us are fat.

  85. @Kiza

    The first step on the path of enlightenment is to read an opposite view of the world or your country, which you did.

    I’m curious to learn about any other countries whose citizens share this harshly self-critical view of themselves. Are there any Israelis, for example, weeping and gnashing their teeth over their “unjustified extreme self-confidence, intolerance, exceptionalism and xenophobia?” The Koreans who no more than tolerate Dave’s presence in their country don’t seem to be engaged in such tormented introspection. How about the Japanese? Palestinians? Qataris? Iranians? Congolese?

    Another question: what, precisely, do you think causes the diversity of human ethnic groups?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Kiza
    , @Kiza
  86. Kiza says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    There are a couple of discourse techniques that the critics often use, one of them is to take a side-point and make it into a key point. The issue is not what the dominant US characteristics are (“unjustified extreme self-confidence and exceptionalism”, let us leave out intolerance and xenophobia). The key issue is what the US does! In the whole human history, it is impossible to find a nation which has brought more misery to people living outside of its borders, in both the numbers of people killed, poisoned, burned or maimed and in the frequency of starting wars (“the US has to start a new war every four years to maintain its economy” was a conclusion by an author recently). The fact that this is so often wrapped up into “self-defense against a dictator with a smoking gun” (Republicans) or “responsibility to protect against genocide” (Democrats) only shows the insurmountable hypocrisy of the US elite. But it is not only outside its borders, the US population itself is treated by a uniquely vicious para-military police and federal agencies, from FBI, through TSA, to DEA (Ruby Ridge). This is all doing of the US elite, which feeds domestic population a pork feed of ruthless propaganda laced with patriotism and nationalism. Add “suckers for propaganda” to my list of bad traits of the US people.

    In short, the US is the biggest factory of human misery the World has even seen, wrapped up into “noble” and “defensive” intentions.

    The biggest achievement of this misery factory so far have been the two nuclear bombs dropped on civilian population of Japan. But the main concern is that during its decline and fall, the factory could out do its biggest previous achievement by starting a global nuclear war.

    You are barking up a wrong tree, the issue is not how good or bad the US people are, or what causes human diversity, the issue is what Team America does.

    • Replies: @Hail
  87. Kiza says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Here is a simple dual question for you:
    How many US civilians has Japan killed? How many Japanese civilians has the US killed?

    Reminder: fire bombing of Tokyo and two nuclear bombs, one on Hiroshima and one on Nagasaki.

    I say: The biggest human misery factory the World has ever seen.
    You still say no?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  88. Stealth says:

    I think other countries aren’t all they’re cracked up to be, and the author is a little harsh on the American people, but American society does seem to have its unique drawbacks.

    For instance, it wasn’t until I left the country that I realized just how sterile,
    bland and soulless the neighborhoods and urban cores of America truly look. It’s bleak. You would think the United States would have its own Oaxaca or Montreal, but we don’t. I live in the South, and every time I get the urge to drive a few hundred miles just to see something different, I have to remind myself that it it all looks the same for a thousand miles in every direction.

    A thought occurs to me: if white Americans are guilty for all that naughty stuff our forebears did, modern day immigrants are even more guilty. After all, I couldn’t help being born in the United States, but immigrants themselves fight tooth and nail to enter the country so they can reap the benefits of what European settlers did.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Hail
  89. Kiza says:
    @Seth Largo

    Sorry, you may think that it is enjoyable to have a BJ by plastic tittied girls on ecstasy in a typical night club, but I find it an unappealing experience which I never wanted to try. Between my four walls, that is a different story altogether.

    BTW, you cannot explain away everything by sexual frustration, unless one is a reptile brain.

  90. @Kiza

    Next time, tell your countrymen not to bomb Pearl Harbor. US ruthlessness in WW2 is hardly unique. Currently, millions of people all over the world, including Japanese, vote with their feet for the “biggest human misery factory the World has ever seen.” So yes, still no.

    Have you asked the Chinese how they feel about the Rape of Nanking?

    • Replies: @Kiza
  91. Kiza says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The Japanese are not my countrymen. But my countrymen did experience the US bombs, just like Linh Dinh’s.

    Pearl Harbor was bombed because the US introduced a maritime blockade of Japan, it was a military response to a de facto declaration of war (introducing a maritime blockade on a country is an act of war, although not sudden as the attack of PH was). The Japanese Military were guilty of many a crime in China, bombing their civilians is not a big wrong which makes things right – the civilians of Hiroshima did not rape Nanjing. I am avoiding to laugh at the US concern for the Chinese civilians.

    It is the US and UK which have introduced Total War to the World, which is a war of genocide – the only two nations which had bombers capable of carpet (indiscriminate) bombing of cities at the beginning of WW2. The US is still (luckily) the only nation in the World to have used the ultimate Total War weapon – nuclear.

    As Noam Chomsky put it – there was no US President in the 20th century who was not a war criminal (I always thought that he meant “under the Nuremberg criteria” of ultimate crime being the starting of wars). This, of course, continues on into the current century.

    I always remember one scene from the 1985 movie called White Nights with Mikhail Baryshnikov (a Soviet ballet dancer who defected to the US and died there of AIDS). The jumbo has to emergency land inside the Soviet Union and he rips apart his US passport and flushes it down the airplane toilet. This has a totally different meaning in the movie, but I used to think that if ever the US citizens would have to pay for the crimes of their elite and their government, this could become quite a normal occurrence. There could be even courses for un-learning the US accent, the same as there are now courses to teach immigrants the US accent.

  92. Hail says: • Website
    @Kiza

    Kiza wrote:
    the US is the biggest factory of human misery the World has even seen

    I thank you, Kiza, for laying out your bias so starkly. Nice and tidy.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  93. Kiza says:

    My apology, it was Rudolf Nureyev who defected to the West from Soviet Union and later died of AIDS. Mikhail Baryshnikov paid off his US passport with his role in White Nights and now lives in Dominican Republic.

  94. Hail says: • Website
    @Stealth

    I realized just how sterile, bland and soulless the neighborhoods and urban cores of America truly look. It’s bleak

    Why?

    Think about this.

    (I would hope that, among others, Mr. Linh Dinh, who has an interest in these things, also thinks about this in all earnestness and driven not by ideological antagonistic America-Itself-is-the-Problem thinking.)

    The USA is arguably as capable of developing nice-looking cities as any country. Look at the old cities in the northeast that developed before WWI or so. But then the Race Problem came north (starting in about 1917, WWI labor of Southern Blacks). A trickle at first, but by the 1950s and especially 1960s, the remaining forces of implicit and (especially) explicit White racialism were being steadily defeated by a new ascendant elite that encouraged racial integration to a great extent.

    Racial integration destroyed neighborhood after neighborhood, and with it Urban America came to look the way it does. Whites fled and many cities became semi-wastelands, and little has been done with many of them in fifty years now. Show me your best-looking city in the world and it could also be destroyed in a similar manner easily.

    Even now, twenty years into so-called gentrification in the USA, the corner has only just been turned. Cities are still thought to be de-Americanized zones, though certain “colonies” have been made. The image of semi-lawlessness and racial hostility against Whites still lingers in the collective imagination. Who can blame Whites for abandoning the cities and thus “bleak urban cores”?

    Short Version: It’s the Race Problem.

  95. Hail says: • Website
    @Stealth

    You would think the United States would have its own Oaxaca or Montreal, but we don’t.

    Monstreal did not have to contend with any Race Problem at all, until very recently. Greater Montreal was still only 16.5% Nonwhite in its 2006 Census, per Wiki, and maybe 3-4% Black. To this day, the Montreal urban core still seems to have a comfortable White supermajority.

  96. Kiza says:
    @Hail

    You are welcome. Put more RHA, RHA nationalism here to counter my “bias”.

  97. @Kiza

    Your arguments are premised on the US being uniquely ruthless, which it is not from even a casual reading of world history. One really interesting distinction about the US is that, so far any way, the government is pretty deferential to its own citizens. The global and historical model is that the citizens are subjects and the law is whatever the regime says it is, as opposed to the natural laws of the moral universe. Socialist regimes killed and tortured millions of their own people. The only reason most countries even have armies is to keep the serfs on the tax farm. This is why immigration is so toxic; non-Anglosphere immigrants have no ancestral memory of limited government and the common law.

    I write this with no small amount of regret, as the US is indeed transforming into what every other multicultural empire has been before it. In late-stage empire, the US elites are rapacious and doing horrible things. But I get the idea you’d also be railing against a parochial republic that cuts off the foreign aid and keeps the fences up.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  98. Kiza says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Thank you for the attention to my opinion of small consequence. However, you are jumping to huge conclusions without any ground:
    “you’d also be railing against a parochial republic that cuts off the foreign aid and keeps the fences up”

    I have written here before that the first thing I would love to see gone is the US foreign aid (starting with the CIA front US Aid), which only serves one obvious purpose. I even suggested to US people – if you want to really give humanitarian help to others, then use Red Cross/Crescent, which is absolutely the ONLY non-political humanitarian aid organization. Every other “humanitarian” NGO serves the Western secret service (should never be called “intelligence”).

    Regarding borders, the reason why the US border is “impossible” to close should be quite obvious even to the dumbest person in the US. It is the same group which keeps about to 1,000 US military basis worldwide which does not want to close one simple southern US border.

    But, I find your characterization: “non-Anglosphere immigrants have no ancestral memory of limited government and the common law” beyond ridiculous and stupid.

    I am always fascinated by the number of the US persons who have sucked up all the nationalistic propaganda and mindless jingoism, whilst the 0.01% Anglo-Jewish elite is robbing them blind. The best slaves are the ones who believe they are free.

  99. denk says:

    the reason unitedsnake *couldnt* stop the immigrants at the border
    is the same reason why pentagon *couldnt* stop the 911 attack,
    or why pentagon/cia/nsa *couldnt* thwart the rampaging *isis* jihadists,
    or why the world’s mightiest usn *couldnt* evacuate its citizens from yemen inspite of having a carrier battle group at hand, *its too dangerous out there* [sic] according to state dept spokesman marie harf.
    somebody should tell ms harf that ….somalia evacuated its citizens on day one !

    p.s.
    yet they sent in special forces into the war zone to retrieve a downed saudi pilot,
    hehehe !

    [hint]
    think useful assets and useless eaters !

  100. Silverado says:

    It must be a bitch to see evil govt, boogey men & terrorists everywhere and looking at things like the glass being half empty as opposed to being half full. I’d run away too if that’s all I saw. Thank God, the voters and the outstanding, world class cannabis of Washington state things ain’t like that here…

  101. Sean1 says:

    I don’t care about all the moral high ground American expatriates take about their country. There’s so much…concern…about “privilige”, mostly coming from white self-flagellation, in America that’s utter tripe. The one true privilige every American-born citizen has is the privilige of being born in America and all it entails. You start off from the top of the heap of the world’s societies. These Americans living abroad taking potshots at the U.S. seem to forget that privilige they could choose to go wherever they wanted.

    Yeah, I agree – morally, America sucks. No-fault divorce, destruction of the nuclear family, destruction of traditional marriage yet the forced institution of same-sex marriage (gays amounting to less than 4% of the population), pornography being a billion-dollar industry, racist immigration laws (if they’re brown and/or have a sob story, they’re in), amnesty for people who knowingly break American laws, abortion, constant war fighting across the globe, suppression of citizens constitutional rights…I could go on.

    Yeah, and the whole the country was built off the blood of other cultures thing. Name one goddamn civilization of significance that hasn’t spilt blood to rise above the rest. This hippy liberal version of humane nation building is a purely 20th century thing, a luxury of apologetics for rich societies to engage in after the fact. Removing and/or exterminating what were seen as racially inferior people’s was a fact of life in the world when Americanwas founded. The most humanistic response to such death and tragedy was the consideration it might be more efficient to displace people without the military.

    As well, the hippy liberal image of the Native American as a noble savage is laughable. Their genocides were less prolific because they were all still stuck in a pre-Christ era of technological development. (Hint – steel and gunpowder will always overcome stone and buffaloe sinew.)

    Sorry for the rant, I live abroad myself. But I left because it was more profitable and could solve my financial obligations (thanks America for the opportunity at higher education!) plus the chance to raise a family and children without having to deal with leftist demiurge of feminism, trans-this trans-that, and constant race baiting from criminals and their apologists.

    No, if you’re an expatriate American (particularly a white one) who is citing historical atrocities for your reasons for leaving, what’s the real reason you left? Running from college debts? STFU, it was before your time.

  102. Sean1 says:

    And what is with all these quoted Americans expressing exasperation at not assimilating? Especially the one living in England was funny. The British cold shoulder is famous and sounds like the guy was banking off his being an American being some trait of value, and him not bringing anything else to the table. The guy in Korea is even funnier – “you never really assimilate…”, lol, yeah, Korea was historically nicknamed the “Hermit Kingdom” for a reason. They’re even more insular and racist than the even the Japanese could ever hope to be.

    The person in West Africa describing the moral superiority of the locals being “more warm” than Americans. Yeah, a poor, largely uneducated society of low-IQ people’s who greatest accomplishment outside of subjugation to colonial rule was generating a long string of dictators with colorarful part-Christian, part-African names. They’re only warm between the latest lulls in civil wars and genocides, or when they’re stealing from aid workers overflowing with Western guilt.

  103. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If you are a positive person and open to people you will have a good experience just about anywhere. I’ve traveled a great deal, mainly by cycling thousands of miles in Asia and Latin America. I would find it difficult to rank one country over others. I will say I was surprised to read this:

    “I must admit, however, that the many friends I made in the USA were probably the best I made anywhere. The many invitations I received and the great generosity I encountered, made up by far for the unpleasant incidents.”

    -Heinz Stucke, history’s most well traveled human being. Cycled around the world ~10 times over 50 years.

    http://bikechina.com/ct-heinzstucke1z.html

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  104. @Pat Casey

    I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. If it were up to me, the US would not be defined as a proposition but as the geographic redoubt of its founding ethnic stock of Anglo-Saxons. Of course, it’s too late for that now but eventually the US will devolve along its ethno-cultural lines.

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  105. Poor old Jacob. Great Yarmouth? Why, man? Just why? Everybody knows it’s in Norfolk. The inbred webfingered halflings native to the place make Appalachia’s back-country seem cosmopolitan. They don’t even have banjos or moonshine. Just Morris-dancing and similar horrors. And it’s as flat as cowpat. Ghastly place; the English Siberia.

  106. @Kiza

    “It is the US and UK which have introduced Total War to the World, which is a war of genocide – the only two nations which had bombers capable of carpet (indiscriminate) bombing of cities at the beginning of WW2.”
    cough Blitzkrieg cough — oh dear Kiza, now you’ve gone and upset the Germans. You should never do that Kiza, they get ever so annoyed, as we’ve found out. It was their bestest idea yet, as Ludendorff explained in Der Totale Krieg, and you’ve gone and credited the effete and spineless Limeys and Yanks with it. Tut tut.
    They only did it back after ’40, after Goering’s mob trashed Rotterdam. Prior to that Roosevelt had expressly forbidden Brits etc. to do the nasty like the Luftwaffe was doing all over Europe. Besides they didn’t have nearly enough aircraft, not even enough to form an independent strategic force. The situation would have been laughable, if it wasn’t so unpleasant.

  107. dcite says:
    @vinteuil

    You should have gone to Vermont, vinteuil. Their English is better accented (imo) and certainly more pervasive. I had the same experience trying to learn French in Europe. People preempted with English so often.

    Jerimiads about powerful countries are as old as the hills. Everything said is right, or everything is wrong depending on perspective. The Euro- Americans of the 18th-20th centuries should be known for their unprecedented inventiveness. As for less family ties, that’s what the kind of people who came here wanted to escape from–famous lit critic Leslie Fiedler wrote reams on that trope, esp from a Jewish perspective. We really don’t want family ties, we want freedom. Yet humans need families. Dilemma. However, when you get to the military and politics, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Gen. Smedley Butler, 1930s, said famously that he was a mercenary for corporations — businesses. Not some holy government. “War is a racket” said Smedley, truer word never spoken. Of course he didn’t live too long after that.
    People like the Dulles brothers and David Atlee Phillips (yeah, I’m going back a ways, but the train of modern corruption traces to them) to name just a few, got high on infiltrating and manipulating other countries. Control freaks extraordinare. Phillips was involved in most of South America’s coups; a son of Pres. Theodore Roosevelt, Kermit I think, was a main actor in deposing the well liked Mossadegh in Iran in the early 50s. America brought over Nazi scientists in Project Paperclip, and they started NASA. Dulles did that. And on and on and on. If the power is there, men (and women) will rise to use it and create more. I’ve only named a few people. David Atlee Phillips also proudly told Lee Harvey Oswald that he (Phillips) could kill more people with a pen than with a gun. That was a point of pride for him. He was a sociopath, but sociopaths thrive in power-environments. America doesn’t have more than others, but it has more outlets for their talents–let’s face it.
    Disliking your own country is somewhat comedic (unless they want to execute you), as in the Seinfeld where Sue Ellen Mishkin’s Indian in-laws advised that no one should go to India for their own son’s wedding. It’s criticizing someone else’s country that brings defensivness. And people know what they’re doing; they know the buttons to push. Pushing them carefully is what politics and PC has always been all about.

  108. @Erik Sieven

    NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STAY AND FIGHT. YOU CAN EASILY WIN NOW, BEFORE THE NUMBERS GET MUCH WORSE. STAY AND FIGHT.

  109. @The Anti-Gnostic

    And if you think that pure “Anglo-Saxons” — the distinct minority of white people in the USA — will be able to survive without the rest of us apparently-inferior white people, you are mistaken.

    You’ll need to get over prejudices against southern and eastern European-American people, including, horrors, people like me who are part Italian, if you are to have the numbers and strength to prevail when the breakdown hits.

    I’m also part German and speak German, does that make me good enough and white enough to join your Smith-Miller-Jones-Simspon-etc. nation and fight together against the savages?

  110. @Anonymous

    I wish that were true, and probably it IS true in many countries, including people who are supposedly our enemies (the Russians, for example).

    But do you really think a positive, friendly, flexible attitude will enable you to live a good, safe, happy life in, say, Afghanistan? Just tell them that you don’t believe in Islam and don’t intend to ever convert, and see how that goes. (It’s not just the Taliban or ISIS which will respond violently and intolerantly to that….)

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