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With its eschatological Bible, the West is constantly haunted by its death and hypothetical rebirth. Its apocalyptic imagination is unmatched.

Christianity promises a frightful ending, as in, “Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake. (Revelation 8:5) The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. (Revelation 8:7) The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, (Revelation 8:8) a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. (Revelation 8:9)”

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Downright evil. In Cormac McCarthy’s The Road, you certainly get a variation of all this, though its first impact is only tersely described, “The clocks stopped at 1:17. A long shear of light and then a series of low concussions […] He went into the bathroom and threw the lightswitch but the power was already gone. A dull rose glow in the windowglass. He dropped to one knee and raised the lever to stop the tub and then turned on both taps as far as they would go.” With electricity and running water gone, everyone’s long slide from modernity begins.

That “long shear of light” was either a meteor or, more likely, an atomic bomb. Desperately wandering through a world of ash, soot, slush and blocked sunlight, a father and son would discover the cataclysm’s ghastly results, such as, “The long concrete sweeps of the interstate exchanges like the ruins of a vast funhouse against the distant murk […] The mummied dead everywhere. The flesh cloven along the bones, the ligaments dried to tug and taut as wires. Shriveled and drawn like latterday bogfolk, their faces of boiled sheeting, the yellowed palings of their teeth. They were discalced to a man like pilgrims of some common order for all their shoes were long since stolen.”

Father and son are trapped in a man-eat-man world, and not just metaphorically, as we are. Essentially Christian, they reassure themselves they’re still the “good guys,” for they won’t rob, murder or eat other people, and that they’re “carrying the fire.” When the father finally dies, the son is adopted into a Christian band, but this soothing ending runs counter to the Hobbesian tenor of all the other pages. The boy should starve to death, if not be butchered and eaten by feral humans.

This salvaged faith in Christ and man is not as convincing as the father’s epiphany, halfway through, “He walked out in the gray light and stood and he saw for a brief moment the absolute truth of the world. The cold relentless circling of the intestate earth. Darkness implacable. The blind dogs of the sun in their running. The crushing black vacuum of the universe. And somewhere two hunted animals trembling like ground-foxes in their cover. Borrowed time and borrowed world and borrowed eyes with which to sorrow it.”

Among the broken people they meet on the road is a “spider thin,” bent, stinking and starving old man, Eli. An inverted Elijah, he always “knew this was coming,” but there’s no use getting ready for it. In fact, it would be best if there’s no one left. “We’ll all be better off. We’ll all breathe easier.” And, “When we’re all gone at last then there’ll be nobody here but death and his days will be numbered too.” Since humans are death’s most ardent servants, he’ll die too when we’re done. There will be no more unnatural deaths.

As for God, there’s none, according to Eli, “There is no God and we are his prophets.”

The son urges his father to feed Eli, so he does, but after the old man has eaten, and been given canned fruits and vegetables from his benefactors’ tiny stash, he refuses to thank the boy. Eli even states, “I wouldnt have given him mine.”

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With The Geography of Nowhere and The Long Emergency, James Howard Kunstler is a leading thinker about our civilization’s unwinding, but in A World Made by Hand, he imagines a relatively civil postscript, at least for one community. After Washington and Los Angeles have been blown up, and much of the country overrun by violent thugs and wracked by race troubles, people in an upstate New York town manage to work together to restore order and sustain a basic economy. Though the protagonist is a Jew, like Kunstler himself, Christianity also features prominently, as a social glue and foundation for this distressed population. Two of the main characters are preachers, with one rather obnoxious but ultimately a good guy.

Neither’s Christianity is very orthodox, to say the least, with the first admitting by the novel’s end he has “lost God.” Still, he would continue his clerical duties to cultivate the divine in man, the greatest of heresies.

The second preacher’s compound has a female dormitory, with a “royal chamber” at its center to house an extremely fat and pale woman with a tiny head. Worse, she emits a “sweet funky odor” that pervades all surrounding cell-like rooms, each with a single bed. There are strong hints it’s a procreation area.

The West’s preoccupation with its demise is also stoked by its small historical size and relatively tiny population. Mongols, Turks, Moors, Gypsies, Sub-Saharan blacks, Chinese, Arabs, South Asians, Southeast Asians and Latinos take turns encroaching, or they all swarm in.

In Camp of the Saints, a 1973 novel described by its author, Jean Raspail, as depicting “the peaceful invasion of France, and then of the West, by a third world burgeoned into multitudes.” Quite peaceful indeed. From page 102, “Everywhere, nothing but the howling, swarming horde. Thousands of human ants, streaming down the zigzag path from Fontgembar, in an endless column, bristling with fists, and sticks, and scythes, and guns…”

While the West only invades with armadas, columns of troops, planes in formations and bank liens, the brown, black and yellow hordes just swarm in, as busboys, coolies, wet nurses and refugees, often from wars instigated by Western countries. It’s definitely not fair!

Of Raspail’s book, Kirkus Review opined in 1975, “The publishers are presenting The Camp of the Saints as a major event, and it probably is, in much the same sense that Mein Kampf was a major event. It takes important and chilling facts that very few people are willing to face, and digs into them like a hyena into carrion. Raspail’s basic premise is irrefutable: in a few decades the non-white population of the world will outnumber the white by more than seven to one, essential resources will be scarcer than ever, and a lot of familiar issues will suddenly be perceived in racial terms […] Lurid manipulation of sexual overtones, sneers at the knee-jerk liberalism of the mass media, fulminations against the U.N. and progressive Catholicism—Raspail covers all bases of hatred. The Camp of the Saints can be said to make you think. So did the My Lai massacre.”

Though linking this novel “of hatred” with Mein Kampf and My Lai, Kirkus Review conceded that its “basic premise is irrefutable.”

In the West, the concept of race replacement is routinely mocked as racist paranoia, but entire neighborhoods or even cities have been racially replaced, such as many American ones after the race riots of the 60’s, East London, much of Marseille and Palestine. To shift perspective, I can even cite my Vietnamese town, Ea Kly, which was entirely populated by ethnic Rade just over three decades ago. Now, they make up less than half of our 20,000 population.

In 1995, Raspail reflected on his novel, “It will probably not happen as I have described it, for The Camp of the Saints is only a parable, but in the end the result will not be any different, though perhaps in a form more diffused and therefore seemingly more tolerable.” He spoke of a “global Spartacus,” a revolt of the destitute against the fat cats, which has always been the aim of the Western left, and that’s why those clamoring for Socialism are also demanding open borders. It’s not suicide, bro, but equality, at last, and universal brotherhood.

Raspail warned, “But the petty bourgeois, deaf and blind, continues to play the buffoon without knowing it. Still miraculously comfortable in his lush fields, he cries out while glancing toward his nearest neighbor: ‘Make the rich pay!’ Does he know, does he finally know that it is he who is the rich one, and that the cry for justice, that cry of all revolutions, projected by millions of voices, is rising soon against him, and only against him. That’s the whole theme of Camp of the Saints.”

In this novel, Christianity doesn’t provide solace or guidance, but is a roadmap to ruin. Preaching universal brotherhood, it insists there should be no barrier between nations, a belief not shared by yellows, browns or blacks, when it comes to their own nations.

Since every ethnic group has its own way of organizing society, even two hundred plus countries aren’t enough to accomondate them all, so any globalist system or creed is always a form of mass violence.

Convinced that they’re always the good guys and carriers of light, white Christians have been invading, inviting and remaking the world for several centuries, so it’d be fitting if they themselves are deformed by this Christianity. To show his contempt, Raspail has eleven elderly Christian monks trampled to death by an Indian mob they’re trying to welcome.

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Of the three books discussed, The Camp of the Saints is the most unhinged, with many racist passages that distract from its insights. There’s no need to have a Hindu “turd eater,” for example, or conjure up a bizarre sex orgy on a refugee boat, “Perhaps it was the heat, the inertia. Perhaps the sun, pouring druglike against the skin and into the brain, or that tide of mystical fervor it swam in. Most of all, the natural drive of a people who never found sex to be sin. And little by little, the mass began to move. Imperceptibly at first. Then more and more, in every direction… Soon the decks came to look like those temple friezes so highly prized by tourists, prurient or prudish, but rarely touched by the beauty of the sculpture and the grace of the pose. And everywhere, a mass of hands and mouths, of phalluses and rumps. White tunics billowing over fondling, exploring fingers. Young boys, passed from hand to hand. Young girls, barely ripe, lying together cheek to thigh, asleep in a languid maze of arms, and legs, and flowing hair, waking to the silent play of eager lips. Male organs mouthed to the hilt, tongues pointing their way into scabbards of flesh, men shooting their sperm into women’s nimble hands. Everywhere, rivers of sperm. Streaming over bodies, oozing between breasts, and buttocks, and thighs, and lips, and fingers. Bodies together, not in twos, but in threes, in fours, whole families of flesh gripped in gentle frenzies and subtle raptures. Men with women, men with men, women with women, men with children, children with each other, their slender fingers playing the eternal games of carnal pleasure. Fleshless old men reliving their long-lost vigor. And on every face, eyes closed, the same smile, calm and blissful. No sounds but the ocean breezes, the panting breaths, and, from time to time, a cry, a groan, a call to waken other sprawling figures and bring them into the communion of the flesh…”

From Rabelais onward, there’s a grotesque strain in French literature, but this is ridiculous, man. One can defend one’s heritage and be a nativist without claiming that any other group are more or less animals.

Should The Camp of the Saints prove more prescient than The Road and A World Made by Hand, eventually we’ll see shiploads of white refugees, fleeing formerly white countries that have lost their mind, soul and spine. By refusing to define and compose yourself, you’re already nothing.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. So the trillionaires should be allowed to keep their money and keep beggaring everybody just because somebody has a house and a car and some savings.

    Absurd logic.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Troll: Chris Mallory
  2. G. Poulin says:

    Christianity took a wrong turn when it started insisting that there should be no barriers between nations. The real Christian belief was, rather, that nationality should be no barrier to entrance into the church. It’s not the Christian church’s job to make the whole world just like the church. But try to tell that to that idiot pope, or to his millions of idiot followers

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
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    , @Excal
    , @ivan
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    , @Moi
  3. 1) The “Apocalypse of John” is a reworked intertestamental Jewish apocalypse (one of 17 surviving). Apocalypticism is always a Jewish fantasy. 2) As in your picture, the “Christianity” you cite and demonize is simply re-worked Jewish Messianism, Old Testament churchism (like most American Protestantism, but totally unlike, say, the Russian Orthodox Church). Many would contend that the former are not “true Christians”. 3) The descriptions in John’s Apocalypse are in any case standard recall of a period within human memory (one can find all the details and massive evidence on, e.g., the site of the Electric Universe scientists, Thunderbolts.com) of periods of extended, massive cometary strikes on or above the earth–and these periods recur regularly, and particularly during periods of a “dead sun”, such as we have now. Said activity is increasing exponentially right now, as documented at several sites that don’t hide from this. Eschatology is just good awareness and preparation for the possible. Looking the other way is unsound, just as it is in investing or finance.

  4. Man, Linh Dinh, I don’t know how you keep hitting home run after home run, and at such a frenzied pace to boot. Now I’m hooked, and keep my eye out for your next perplexingly great installment on the wonderful Unz Review.

    You are so right about Christianity. It will be the death of the European Man, wherever he is in the diaspora. Raspail sounds like a lunatic high on LSD in depicting that lurid mass orgy, but his passage about those Catholic monks being trampled to death by the Third World mob they are trying to welcome could not be more spot on. It reminds me of the sweet-looking teenaged German chicks holding up their sign saying “Refugees Welcome.” I think those refugees have a different welcoming in mind, over and above the free cookies.

  5. The problem with these sorts of books is they leave out technology. Technology will be a big player moving forward whether it’s Stephen King’s The Stand or Neal Stephenson’s Snowcrash or The Matrix.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand

    There is a new book out called Bitten. It talks about the origins of Lyme Disease.

    Bitten: The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons

    Here is the author.

  6. Linh, this post is a little more subtle than most of your others!

    It is interesting that you have chosen both books of fiction and non-fiction to discuss. And we can argue whether or not messianic religions are based on fact or fiction another time.

    Camp of Saints was a fictional account where one million poor, starving people arrive on the shore of France. I thought the book (I read it) was well done, with the description of life at sea for the migrants rivaling that of Conrad’s prose. As to the description you quote on your blog concerning the orgy, perhaps it was just the author day-dreaming during the course of writing the book? And it was the 70’s you know, and pornography was selling. Perhaps he just wanted to sell more books? Maybe that is why you include it in your post? More clicks?

    So your description of whites and Christians beginning to get what is coming to them is somewhat amusing. Why? Because you throw a non-fiction book in your mix. The Long Emergency.

    Remember Michael Douglas in Falling Down? The bum wants his briefcase. Michael’s character challenges him by asking him why he needs it -because the homeless man doesn’t have a job. The bum replies he wants it “Because you have more!” Isn’t that why you came here Linh? Really? Because you wanted more? And we had it? You had the whole world to migrate. You went half-way round the world to get here. As do people today. But you and everybody else got here a little too late.

    Too late, because as the The Long Emergency described, we don’t have “more” anymore. It is going, going, gone. No more petroleum. No more natural gas. No more feedstock for agribusiness fertilizer.

    No fertilizer, no fuel, no food. 8 billion people in the world depending upon fuel and fertilizer. Without both, the earth’s carrying capacity is what, 600 million? Little bit of a gap there?

    If the whites go sailing away (to where?) they will literally have to sail.

  7. ‘…“But the petty bourgeois, deaf and blind, continues to play the buffoon without knowing it. Still miraculously comfortable in his lush fields, he cries out while glancing toward his nearest neighbor: ‘Make the rich pay!’ Does he know, does he finally know that it is he who is the rich one, and that the cry for justice, that cry of all revolutions, projected by millions of voices, is rising soon against him, and only against him. That’s the whole theme of Camp of the Saints.”…’

    Orwell actually pointed out something similar in the late Thirties — although he drew a different conclusion.

    He observed that however ‘proletarian’ the member of the British working class felt himself to be, he was actually part of a relatively wealthy elite, leading a life of ease and privilege in comparison to the destitute billions of the (then) colonial world. It was nonsense to speak of socialist equality without conceding that the bulk of the wealth would have to flow out of England and France entirely and into their colonies.

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    , @Digital Samizdat
  8. @Hitchenaride

    ‘…Isn’t that why you came here Linh? Really? Because you wanted more? And we had it? You had the whole world to migrate. You went half-way round the world to get here. As do people today. But you and everybody else got here a little too late…’

    My impression is that Linh was fourteen at the time. I’d guess he came here because adults told him to.

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    , @Jeff Stryker
  9. It’s worth pointing out that people have always been replacing each other. Most North American Indians seem to have been someplace else entirely several centuries earlier than where they were when we encountered them. For example, the Apache we discovered in Southern Arizona and New Mexico had been a Great Plains tribe back in the seventeenth century. Places such as England had whoever preceded ‘the Beaker People,’ then the Beaker People, then Celts, and then Germanic tribes.

    Etc. But equally to the point, those who kept their land did it by repelling would-be invaders. The Germans of the tenth century turned back the Hungarians at the Lech. The Spanish eventually recovered the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors. The Russians threw off the Tartar Yoke. When the Germans tried to establish a settlement at Zamosc in central Poland in 1943, the Polish Home Army slaughtered the settlers: men, women, and children. The Vietnamese have always proven able to drive away would-be conquerors. We’re learning about Afghans right now — though we presumably never intended to move there.

    If you have a nice enough place — or even not particularly nice — some one is likely to want to take it. You may have to fight to keep it.

    Or, you can go quietly into that long good night.

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  10. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Raspail is a traditionalist Catholic so he was not critical of Christianity (traditional Christianity, i.e., orthodox Catholicism) but rather modernist social gospel Christianity or Judaized Christianity (Protestantism).

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, sayless
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    , @Heymrguda
  11. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @G. Poulin

    The degenerate Rabbi Jewsus you worship demanded you forsake your own blood and soil. Says so right in the Jew Testament. Let me quote him:

    And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.

    So a Christian forsakes his own kin and nation for a “hundredfold” bribe from a Jewish Rabbi. That’s the real Christian belief, straight from the horse’s mouth.

  12. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    > Technology will be a big player moving forward

    True, true. The Trump Administration forecasts that the human technology of evaporating earth’s coal beds and oil fields for the sake of our rotary motion amusement will cause a 7°F (4°C) rise in global warming within a few short decades.

    The Trump Administration Forecasts 7 Degrees Fahrenheit of Global Warming by 2100
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a23516268/trump-nhtsa-global-warming-2100/

    Problem with 4°C rise? Life on earth will be on the edge of extinction.

    The study found just five to six degrees in average global warming would be enough to wipe out most life on the planet.

    Climate change may cause mass extinctions, new report shows
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/climate-change-may-cause-mass-extinctions-new-report-shows

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  13. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    > Judaized Christianity (Protestantism)

    You forgot how much Catholics are the original Judaized Christianity. Catholics worship the Jews.

    To the Jews belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship…” -Catechism of the Catholic Church

    No matter the denomination, Christianity is Jew-worship.

    Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. -King James Version Buybull

  14. anon19 says:
    @Colin Wright

    But as an adult now he is free to leave. But he won’t.

  15. From Rabelais onward, there’s a grotesque strain in French literature, but this is ridiculous, man.

    I dunno. It sounds like current globo-homo-negro pop culture.

  16. Excal says:
    @G. Poulin

    When did Christianity ever insist on removing all barriers between nations? Who is saying such nonsense?

    If the present Catholic Pope is insisting so, he is breaking with Christian teaching — and he really is an aberration. At any rate, he cannot change that teaching, any more than he can turn gold into lead.

  17. Excal says:
    @anon

    Nowhere in this passage (or anywhere else) does Jesus command Christians to forsake their families, or their nations. Rather, he is saying here that Christians should be willing to be rejected by their families for his sake; and that if they hold on to their faith even in that terrible circumstance — one of the worst things that can happen to anyone — they will be compensated.

    Christ never commanded his followers to violate any of the Commandments, and in fact taught that they remained in force. One of those commandments is “honour thy father and mother”.

    And, of course, if all Christians had to abandon their families in order to follow Christ, the Christian religion wouldn’t have lasted a decade.

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    , @G. Poulin
  18. Ah, “racist passages”. So we hit the wall.

    Have you not been following the story of “Open Arms”?

    Italian prosecutors reported today that passengers were seen “living on top of each other, without space to walk”.

    It’s one of those luegenpresse mysteries how they end up with less space than they set out with. But, while I doubt this sort of thing will reach Raspailien scale – though who knows – obviously they’re willing to make the long slide on their own initiative.

    Rape is a common complaint among female passengers on these boats. And the Aghori eat feces.

    It is possible to review a book and rue the end of our world without falling back on enemy jargon.

    • Replies: @eah
  19. @Hitchenaride

    HITCH

    Let me tell you exactly what the whites with money will do.

    Because as a young man of 25 in 1999 I discovered Dubai and Asia were cleaner, safer and more pleasant than being lower middle class in Detroit or Phoenix.

    They will leave America. Not on boats but on chartered planes. They have bought a passport for some other country already and keep their money in various overseas accounts.

    The South African wealthy did this when Mandela took over and crime rose 500% while the economy collapsed. The Boer working class were left to eat garbage in refugee camps and the middle-class South Africans moved to London to work in labor jobs.

    Working class whites and lower middle class whites are patriotic and assume that wealthy whites will remain in America to fight the good fight. Not so. They will jump on a chartered plane to Nice for that yacht moored in the Mediterranean.

    Middle class Gen X, much like me, will move to Southeast Asia before the currency sinks. Just liquidate and run as fast as possible to Philippines or Cambodia.

    We’ve seen a micro version of this in Flint and Detroit. A few of the Polish-Americans become trapped in the ghetto. They don’t even have the money to move 40 miles away. They are stuck in a house in a bad neighborhood worth less than zero. They could not pay for someone else to live there.

    Working-class and lower middle class white Americans who believe the ruling 1% will stick around are delusional. They’ll fly away to that palatial residence in New Zealand. Or Tuscany.

    Globalists are transients with transient skills. Most are dual citizens. They have already spent half their life in other countries.

    Look at Mr. Linh. He’s moved back to Vietnam because today, forty years after his family left, he is better off than he would be in Philly.

    Do you really think I miss Southeast Michigan? Or would be better off there?

    I was safer in India than in low-income housing in Phoenix. The nearest I came to serious danger was because of Cholo Mestizo members of Brown Pride street gang who emerged from the Guadalupe barrio to menace whites who could not afford to live in Scottsdale.

    Most people who have been born and raised as white working class in America only understand a single environment. This means nothing to the ruling elite. Champagne tastes the same in New Zealand as Manhattan.

  20. ROD says:

    Linh and James Kunstler are both on the same track.might I add Miles Mathis?

  21. @Colin Wright

    COLIN

    If Mr. Linh’s parents had moved to Australia, he’d be there now. His motivation was the extent to which the US has declined in forty years since he arrived. Had his parents gone to Australia like many Vietnamese, he would probably have stayed there.

  22. @mutthead52

    Agree.

    I would only add that WWIII and a “nuclear holocaust” is more of the same stuff: Jewish Fantasy and Apocalypticism for non-believers (i.e. atheists and agnostics).

    Go figure? Nukes aren’t even tested anymore to see if they are functional.

    Duck and cover dumb goyim! LOL

  23. Alfred says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    The problem with these sorts of books is they leave out technology

    Technology needs energy. Energy has been getting more and more expensive to produce. We have reached the point where the oil price required to produce oil profitably is greater than society’s ability to pay that price. Hence the current low price of oil and zero interest rates. We are eating our seed corn to save the bankers and keep the game going for a while longer.

    Going Negative (Dmitry Orlov)

    The fake promise of renewable energies is only now being counted. Any honest engineer could have pointed out the fallacies of this approach decades ago.

    In “Explosive” Lawsuit Walmart Sues Tesla Over Solar Panel Fires, Claims SolarCity Purchase Was A Bailout

    Here is some more nonsense by the usual suspects:

    German Failure on the Road to a Rewewable Future ( Spiegel 2019)

    And here is a more honest version:

    Germany’s Energiewende program exposed as a catastrophic failure (non-MSM 2018)

    • Replies: @G
  24. @Colin Wright

    COLIN

    Actually, the gradual seizure of the British Isles is typical. When the Germans and Danish arrived, the Celts fled to the foggy mountains of Wales. Not unlike “white flight” today from cities like London or Detroit. These moors and heaths were to forsaken for Anglo-Saxons to care about. Then came the Normans, who became the ruling elite for the next 1000 years.

    Some Celts fled to Brittany in France. Not unlike today, where wealthier Britons from the middle-class flee to rural France from English cities overrun by migrants and crime.

    The English lower class is stuck. Yobs. Chavs. Whatever we call them these days. They are the ones who cannot leave communities which become Pakistani or Jamaican ghettos. They lack the skills, the money, the initiative.

    In America the same thing happens. There is massive white flight to suburbs. Unlike the Normans or Danes, the blacks who are left in the cities have no GDP so when whites cannot pay the modern-day equivalent of tribute these cities become cesspools.

    UK whites are at a greater disadvantage due to sheer geography. They cannot simply move 50 miles away. The UK is small. In America, all you need do is liquidate and move somewhere safer. UK has nowhere to go.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  25. Icy Blast says:
    @anon

    You sound just like the charming “Kratoklastes.” There is no way to, or no point in, responding to a deliberate misinterpretation of Christian theology. Of course not all so-called “white” people (people of European origin) profess to believe in Jesus. And Christians are found all over the world, not just in so-called “white” countries. Sometimes all a believer can do is take note of the hate directed toward him or her. It was like this from the beginning. I just hope you don’t kill anyone. You seem possessed by hate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  26. Well, I couldn’t help but notice the illustration and recall a satire:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/04/07/lenny-bruce-george-carlin-on-jews-for-jesus/

    I could care less if the world’s races blend but it’d sure be an uninteresting place if it all morphs in mono-culture…

    • Replies: @eah
  27. Alfa158 says:

    “we’ll see shiploads of white refugees, fleeing formerly white countries that have lost their mind, soul and spine”
    I don’t understand that passage. Fleeing to where? Antarctica? Greenland?

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @anon
  28. Vulcan says:

    eventually we’ll see shiploads of white refugees

    If white working class, just lash several of the ships together and call it an island. Or run them all on a stable reef. Same effect, either way.

    If white upper class… sorry lads, your lot gave it all away, no reef for thee.

  29. Malla says:
    @Colin Wright

    It was nonsense to speak of socialist equality without conceding that the bulk of the wealth would have to flow out of England and France entirely and into their colonies.

    And that was what was happening during the later period of colonialism.

  30. GMC says:

    I believe Christ, the Holy Man, Son of God or whoever or whatever you believe in , was trying to get the Universal message to those that that would believe him. Was his message from the Universe and God ? Maybe , but those Romans , Jews and others saw a huge problem with it and crucified him for it. Why ? look around today and this will answer the Big Question. Christ was here to spread Peace and goodwill amongst other decent scenarios. Thanks Unz Rev.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @druid55
  31. @obwandiyag

    So the trillionaires should be allowed to keep their money and keep beggaring everybody just because somebody has a house and a car and some savings.

    Absurd logic.

    As is pointed out later in this comment thread, if you can afford a computer and internet service than you are a member of the global elite. By your logic, you should not be allowed to keep your money and keep beggaring everybody in the Third Word.

    If you believed what you are saying, you’d sell all your goods and give your money to the poor, perhaps the poor in Mali. If you were particularly greedy, you might retain an expensive tent and try being homeless.

    I suspect, however, that you see yourself as keeping what you have and getting a share of what the trillionaires have. Not going to happen. If they are dispossessed according to your logic, than you will be also. Along with you will be industry and industrial society with it, for government cannot run industry (ask the Chinese about that, and the Russians) and if private ownership of industry (even as stocks) is “not allowed”, then industry will gradually decay to nothing, as it is decaying in the US right now from the effects of capital starvation as available capital has been funded into maintenance of cities that have lost their economic base. Perhaps you want this, perhaps not. You must, however, want the consequences of what you want.

    Counterinsurgency

  32. Dumbo says:

    Some notes:

    1. Jean Raspail is 94 and still alive. He’s a traditional Catholic as someone else pointed out. I haven’t read the book but I doubt it is a direct attack on Christianity.

    2. Europe was Christian for a couple thousand years but curiously it was only in the last decades, at the peak of disbelief (most Europeans consider themselves atheists), that Europeans are being replaced by browns, and happy about it.

    3. The orgy scene seemed pretty realistic to me. Again, haven’t read the book.

    4. At this point, sexual liberation, feminism and racial mixing seems a much worse problem than Christianity for Europeans. This is a modern white Finnish woman talking: “I never dated or kissed a Finnish man or even a white man due to their looks. I don’t like white skin. It doesn’t appeal to me. I prefer Black men with full lips. They smile a lot. They flirt. They’re good dancers. They’re not scared or shy. They’re a bit cocky but confident. It’s all about the attitude and, if the attitude is good, he’s gonna get sex.”

    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/157-lifestyle/13851-are-foreign-men-taking-finnish-women.html

    This is the way the (Western) world ends, not with a bang but with a gang-bang (of its whores).

    Bye bye

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Flo
  33. eah says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    I could care less if the world’s races blend but it’d sure be an uninteresting place if it all morphs in mono-culture…

    Depends on what you mean by “blend” — if ‘blending’ includes inter-breeding (inevitable really in a population composed of a mix of races), then of course over time and on a large enough scale something (genetic uniqueness) will be lost in the same way something (cultural uniqueness) is lost via the spread of a global mono-culture — eg eye color is controlled (primarily) by two genes (loci), but the gene for blue (hazel, gray, etc) eyes is recessive — meaning the number of people with blue eyes, and lighter skin tones/hair color, will dwindle — the fact you imply you would not regret that, while at the same time you would regret the further spread of a global mono-culture, seems somewhat inconsistent — ?

    Not to mention that, as some put it, “culture is downstream from race” — so diminishing racial/ethnic diversity can be expected to produce dwindling cultural diversity.

    I could care less

    Also the phrase is could not care less.

    • Replies: @Realist
  34. I have no patience anymore—absolutely no freaking patience—with people who equate Christianity with socialism, social justice, or universalism of either the temporal or spiritual variety. Whether such people laud or lament this so-called equivalence is beside the point. The fact of the matter is that they are simply wrong.

    These socialistic ideas are the fruits of the modern West, not of Traditional Christianity. They were not held by large numbers of people until the early 20th century. They were held by practically nobody before the 1850s. In the world of the 1st century into which Christianity was first preached, they were not only unknown but inconceivable and untranslatable.

    Anybody who reads Scriptural text through a modern socialist hermeneutic is, frankly, an idiot. Anybody who views Christianity as a sort of proto-Leftism is either stupid, disingenuous, or both. This moronic idea, which is naught but the most insipid and self-absorbed tripe, is an instant and unforgivable discredit to anyone who lisps it. It isn’t too difficult to understand basic Christian doctrine for what it actually is. Those who cannot even do that are unworthy of further consideration.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @FvS
  35. @Colin Wright

    Where did Orwell say that? Certainly not in The Road to Wigan Pier.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  36. Where will the white people go when a tower of babel is built in their house? Linh Dinh can go back to Vietnam, but where are the whites going? Enclaves in rural America? Eastern Europe? Maybe eastern Russia will become the frontier. After the Camp of the Saints unfolds, a great white march to Vladivostok, only 500 miles from Japan.

  37. @anon19

    Last I heard, Linh was back in Vietnam. Has he returned to the US again?

  38. @follyofwar

    I disagree that that orgy scene was pure fantasy or inappropriate for what Raspail was trying to convey in his novel. Before writing the book Jean Raspail worked and travelled extensively throughout the Third World and like Albert Schweitzer earlier came to much the same conclusion. He must have encountered or heard of such scenes of depravity, perversion, rape, incest, child sexual abuse, and more in some of the places he visited, although perhaps not so much in public, and then just imagined what it would be like if you had a whole bunch of such people living in close proximity on a long voyage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Excal

    > Nowhere in this passage (or anywhere else) does Jesus command Christians to forsake their families, or their nations.

    Wrong. Read it again, liar. That is exactly what is said.

    > Rather, he is saying…

    LOL! The Jew-worshipers explainer either greatly softens or is the opposite of what the Jewish Rabbi you worship actually said. You Jew-worshipers always lie.

    • Agree: Saggy
  40. Tom says:

    Mr. Dihn’s crystal ball is dull in comparison to Raspail’s.

  41. Great article Linh. I’ve worked in the Vietnamese community in Southern California for quite some time. I remember about 4 years ago China was encroaching on a small island in Vietnam by sending Chinese workers there which caused local hostility. The Vietnamese decided to run them all out of town, killing one Chinese worker as well. There were thoughts that China and Vietnam may go to war from this conflict.

    When I talked to some of the men I worked with, many said they’d volunteer to go defend Vietnam from the Chinese. When I talked to my female Vietnamese boss she explained how the Chinese will use immigration to take over the island and then swoop in and capture it. Just as we have seen from the Balkans and what is currently happening with Ukraine and Russia. The older Vietnamese community can see this a mile away, yet the young people of today are ignorant of history.

    I was reading “History of the Anglo-Saxons” by Thomas Miller and there is a chapter about when the Danes had settled in and near Anglo-Saxon towns. There was an order from a Saxon King to kill all Danes living too close to the Saxons, known as the St. Brice’s Day massacre. When I read about this, it reminded me about that Island in Vietnam and that it’s a type of conflict that won’t just ‘disappear’.

  42. Anonymous[805] • Disclaimer says:
    @Icy Blast

    Funny how a simple direct quotation of the Jewish Rabbi you worship ends up being “deliberate misinterpretation of Christian theology.” How does that work? LOL!

    > Christians are found all over the world, not just in so-called “white” countries

    That’s right, you globalist dumb-Cuck. A black Jew-worshiper is your brother, and a white man who doesn’t worship the Rabbi Jewsus like you isn’t. That Jew has twisted you into being a brother-hater.

    > I just hope you don’t kill anyone. You seem possessed by hate.

    Funny again that you mention hate. Never read Luke 14:26, have you?You Jew-worshipers always project.

  43. GeeBee says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    He might have had Orwell’s 1942 ‘Essay on Rudyard Kipling’ in mind, where Orwell wrote:

    ‘All left-wing parties in the highly industrialised countries are at bottom a sham, because they make it their business to fight against something which they do not really wish to destroy. They have internationalist aims, and at the same time they struggle to keep up a standard of life with which those aims are incompatible. We all live by robbing Asiatic coolies, and those of us who are ‘enlightened’ all maintain that those coolies ought to be set free; but our standard of living, and hence our ‘enlightenment,’ demands that the robbery shall continue.’

  44. anon[805] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    > people who equate Christianity with socialism

    You must not have any patience with the Jewish storytellers who wrote the Jew Testament, because those Jews were a bunch of goddam communists. Acts 2:44 “All who believed were together and had all things in common.”

    > universalism

    Did you cut John 3:16 or the Great Commission out of your Jew Testament?

    > It isn’t too difficult to understand basic Christian doctrine for what it actually is.

    True. The Jew Testament says exactly the opposite of what you say. You Jew worshipers always lie.

  45. Big Daddy says:

    The fact is that Raspail was 100% accurate in his novel. Fuzzy communistic ideas engendered in the French Revolution have undermined the West and led to a soggy civilizational collapse.

    In my America Puritanism , which was not religion but totalitarian, make heaven on earth Calvin Protestantism, morphed into Unitarianism and the Social Gospel. Naturally and eventually God was forgotten and the State became the god to enforce the New Milleniarism: Temperance; Abolitionism;
    War on drugs; make the world Safe for Democracy, etc.

    Big capital just moved in and created a Corporate Fascism government that gives lip service to old virtues.

    Read Murray Rothbard’s histories of America.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  46. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158

    > Fleeing to where? Antarctica? Greenland?

    Should be warm water ports there soon, according to the Trump Administration….

    Pompeo: Melting sea ice presents ‘new opportunities for trade’
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/06/politics/pompeo-sea-ice-arctic-council/index.html

    …While the rest of the world roasts in a veritable oven.

    Checkmate, brown people!

  47. Convinced that they’re always the good guys and carriers of light, white Christians have been invading, inviting and remaking the world for several centuries,

    And the world is better for it.

    We in the West are now living and dying The Camp of the Saints.

  48. @Jeff Stryker

    Working-class and lower middle class white Americans who believe the ruling 1% will stick around are delusional. They’ll fly away to that palatial residence in New Zealand. Or Tuscany.

    Don’t forget the occasional Drudge story of billionaires building luxury Doomsday bunkers here.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  49. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    like Albert Schweitzer earlier came to much the same conclusion.

    From Albert Schweitzer‘s obit in the NYT:

    His attitude was sharply expressed in a story he liked to tell of his orange trees. “I let the Africans pick all the fruit they want,” he said. “You see, the good Lord has protected the trees. He made the Africans too lazy to pick them bare.”

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0114.html

  50. sb says:

    Regarding religious affilliations :

    Today in Melbourne Australia the appeal decision of Cardinal George Pell formerly #3 in the World Roman Catholic Church for ( alleged ) historic child sex offenses was handed down
    The case against Pell was flimsy and about 95% of legal opinion expected a pro Pell decision
    However Pell lost 2-1 ( there may be another appeal )
    The three judges were (ex ) Catholic ( and female ) , old Establishment Protestant SJW type and academic Jewish ( son of WWII refugees )
    I rather doubt if any of of the three practises any religion

    Only the Jew supported Pell . I’d say he was the only one of the three who didn’t have any anti Catholic animus

  51. Of the three books discussed, The Camp of the Saints is the most unhinged, with many racist passages that distract from its insights. There’s no need to have a Hindu “turd eater,” for example

    “racist”

    [dailystar.co.uk]
    Cannibals feed TV filmmaker human brain and throw POO at him

    Reza Aslan met the Aghori nomadic Hindu sect in India who still eat the flesh of dead people.

    In the gruesome documentary, Believer, the TV presenter is given a piece of cooked human brain which he ate, reports the Washington Post.

    Then the guru forces a crown of what looks like flesh-covered human bone on Aslan’s head before he politely asks if he can remove it.

    But soon an argument begins and one of the cannibal starts shouting at him.

    He yells: “I will cut your head off if you keep talking so much!”

    The Aghori boss then begins eating his own poo before hurling his waste at the camera crew.

    Aghori

    [MORE]

    [wikipedia.org]
    Aghori

    The Aghori…are a small group of ascetic Shaiva sadhus. They engage in post-mortem rituals. They often dwell in charnel grounds, smear cremation ashes on their bodies, and use bones from human corpses for crafting kapalas …Many Aghori gurus command great reverence from rural populations, as they are supposed to possess healing powers

    Aghoris maintain that all opposites are ultimately illusory. The purpose of embracing pollution and degradation through various customs is the realization of non-duality…through transcending social taboos, attaining what is essentially an altered state of consciousness and perceiving the illusory nature of all conventional categories.

    Sādhanā in cremation grounds destroys fear; sexual practices with certain riders and controls help release one from sexual desire; being naked destroys shame.

    An aghori believes in getting into total darkness by all means, and then getting into light or self realizing.

  52. eah says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Ah, “racist passages”. So we hit the wall…It is possible to review a book and rue the end of our world without falling back on enemy jargon.

    Yes — also, I assume he read an English translation, and the quality and tenor of that depends entirely on the translator (and editor) — I remember this well due to earlier comparing the (English) translations of Iliad and Odyssey by Lattimore to those of Fitzgerald: I strongly preferred the latter.

    I have not read the book, but would take an orgy scene as a (rather explicit sexual) allegory for the destruction of western, Christian mores.

    Have you not been following the story of “Open Arms”?

    All western countries suffer under a dictatorship by the judiciary.

    • Replies: @eah
  53. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @GeeBee

    ‘All left-wing parties in the highly industrialised countries are at bottom a sham, because they make it their business to fight against something which they do not really wish to destroy. They have internationalist aims, and at the same time they struggle to keep up a standard of life with which those aims are incompatible. We all live by robbing Asiatic coolies, and those of us who are ‘enlightened’ all maintain that those coolies ought to be set free; but our standard of living, and hence our ‘enlightenment,’ demands that the robbery shall continue.’

    Orwell was an ass-kisser of the Jews (and an atheist Christ-hater himself) and thought G.K. Chesterton would/should be banned in the Britain of his (Orwell’s) day because of Chesterton’s supposed anti-Semitism.

  54. Realist says:
    @eah

    I could care less

    Also the phrase is could not care less.

    Yes, the latter is correct…only a dumbass would use the nonsensical statement.

    • Replies: @Questore
  55. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    > Champagne tastes the same in New Zealand as Manhattan.

    Or Nuuk!

    Get it while it’s not hot! 🙂

  56. Another great one from Linh. Religion has and always be just anther control system, another way for the aristocracy to maintain control over the “herd”. Without a doubt it has been the most successful of the control mechanisms.

    As the old religions begin to fade away, we are indoctrinated into the new ones. Scientism and liberalism will be our new God’s, and will cause as much death and destruction as the old ones. We humans can never be trusted with our own thoughts and self-chosen life paths. We must forever be told what to think and who to hate.

    This video is the tale of of young girls voyage through both. You may not believe in her conclusion, but the indoctrination she went through in both cases is without a doubt what we all have been subjected to.

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Johnny K. Arate
  57. orionyx says:
    @anon19

    I see you don’t read much of Linh’s work. Do so, and you will have to eat your words.

  58. @NightWriter

    “When I talked with some of the (Vietnamese) men I worked with, many said they’d volunteer to go defend Vietnam from the Chinese.”

    Why didn’t they then go back? Talk is cheap.

    • Replies: @NightWriter
  59. @Hitchenaride

    Camp of Saints was a fictional account where one million poor, starving people arrive on the shore of France.

    Only 1 million? People were so optimistic in the 70s.

  60. G says:

    I was going to praise this article, because it showed great understanding of the Western psyche. But this passage is just downright wrong.

    While the West only invades with armadas, columns of troops, planes in formations and bank liens, the brown, black and yellow hordes just swarm in, as busboys, coolies, wet nurses and refugees, often from wars instigated by Western countries. It’s definitely not fair!

    Germany and Sweden haven’t instigated the wars against Syria, Libya and Iraq. On the contrary. Especially when it comes to Iraq. And this is not new. Concerning the authors own country, there was no major role of Germany or Sweden in the Vietnam War. However, Germany took in many Vietnamese boat people.

    As one traitorous Swedish politician said “You make these wars, we get the refugees.”

    But we can certainly be sure that those who Europe takes in will keep on seeing the Europeans who very often provide for his and his entire families existence from cradle to grave, regularly over generations, as the hated white man and Christian colonizer. It’s a suicidal policy, and intended to be so by the far-left who hates European culture, civilization and ultimately people. But that’s also been said so often since decades; it won’t change.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  61. I read “Camp of the Saints” and loved the way it skewered the Western intelligentsia as hypocritical, opportunistic, naive, or a combination thereof. The cartoonish portrayals of the Indian mobs spoiled it; as Linh puts it, there was no need for the spontaneous orgy. (It was so ludicrous that I laughed out loud.) There were parts that were touching as well, particularly the march of a group of monks to the coast to confront the invading hordes.

  62. anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @GMC

    GMC: “Christ was here to spread Peace”

    Jewsus: “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”

  63. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Comparing the Roman or Norman invasions of the past in Britain to the invasion of the blacks and browns today is absurd. The Romans or Normans were basically the same people as those who lived in Britain at the time, interbreeding with them didn’t change either people. The reason that the Celtic peoples went when the Romans came was that they liked their freedom, not because the Romans turned cities into sewers like the blacks and browns do. If anything, the Romans brought a higher civilization to Britain. Today’s invaders just bring misery and deprivation with them because that’s all they’re capable of doing.

  64. @Dumbo

    I am not a Christian, and have no desire to become one. Yet, Dumbo, what you say about the evils of atheism, “sexual liberation, feminism, and racial mixing” are true. Feminists are whores, forsaking motherhood for a sterile career, which will bring them no joy when they are 40 and childless, with only cats to mother.

    With brown men taking their women, pale skins need all the help they can get in the sexual arena. Therefore, as a first step, they should never be circumcised, which results in less penis and diminished sexual ability. (I’m speaking of American men, as Finnish men are not cut at birth).

    In your example, Dumbo, when the Finnish woman spoke of “black men with full lips,” was she really suggesting a different body part?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @homahr
    , @TKK
    , @MAOWASAYALI
  65. @Sick of Orcs

    Many Polish-Americans who knew Communism and feared it did the same in Detroit. But the Russian nuclear war never happened. Today those bunkers rust beneath houses collapsing in post-apocalyptic deserted streets.

    Worse than a neutron bomb, really.

  66. @G

    Australia had its demographic permanently changed by the Vietnam War.

    German had its future permanently altered by Bush-an alcoholic and incompetent bum long out of office and long forgotten.

    Nobody who voted for Richard Nixon-or Nixon himself-thought about the effect on Australia and neither Bush nor his voters thought about the effect on Europe.

    • Replies: @G
  67. The “elite” have already prepared for the Apocalypse, or Armageddon, whichever you prefer
    to call it —
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

  68. ken says:
    @follyofwar

    European Man rejected Christianity and embraced his self made destruction beginning with his embrace of contraception. We chose to lose the population race and now we are growing bitter with the results. The only argument made at this site is that third worlders must stop procreating; which is basically saying, “Play by our rules so you don’t win.”

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @anon
  69. Elijah says: • Website
    @mutthead52

    The “Apocalypse of John” is a repeat pattern. The first fulfillment was in AD 70 (Seals) and then AD 136 (Trumpets). The Trumpets are repeated again at the end and followed by the vials. All repeat patterns. If you do not understand the past how can you understand the future? Both Nero and Bar Kochba calculate 666. The first temple fell BC 586 9 Ab the second temple 9 ab and Bar Kochba 9 ab….all repeat patterns. All of Daniel’s time periods are calculated from 9 ab (lunar Calendar)….all repeat patterns. Rinse, wash, repeat…..not learnt your lesson….rinse,wash, repeat…until the end http://www.biblaridion.info

  70. ivan says:
    @G. Poulin

    To be fair the nut Pope, has not been banging this particular drum for the last couple of years.

  71. @ken

    KEN

    Do Africans really “win” by having six kids? What has over-population done for the third world?

    Except poor people producing more poor people quickly.

    • Replies: @ken
  72. @follyofwar

    Because a full scale war never erupted between China and Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. G says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Well, obviously the USA didn’t care and Bush probably had no idea what he was even doing and getting himself into. – Does anyone even remember he initially campaigned on a non-interventionist platform?

    And for the largely Jewish Neocons and PNAC, who designed the policy, islamic immigration was seen as a benefit. It certainly was welcomed by the diaspora as an ally against the German majority. Same goes for Britain and France. The Arabic anti-semitism was just collateral damage, largely blamed on the white Europeans and their alleged racism. And what they have to say to the European countries, which they helped to permanently damage, was made clear by the Jews of The Atlantic: “The last Jew to leave Europe should spit.”

    Such lovely people.

    I also still stand by my estimate that large parts of the refugee crisis were orchestrated by the USA and its allies and not just as a fallout of the Neocon Wars. As one more tool in the box against its European competition, just as the Ukraine color revolution and just like the USA are meddeling in the proximity of China right now.

    • Agree: Robjil
  74. anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    > forsaking motherhood

    Both Jewsus and the Jew Paul told their followers to not marry. And Jesus said “blessed are the barren wombs.” Christianity is an anti-fertility cult.

    Jesus’ family values were consistent with his philosophy of totalitarianism and his belief in an imminent apocalypse. If he was running around loose today, we would regard him as a cult leader. Some others in recent history come to mind: Jim Jones of the Jonestown Massacre; David Koresh of the Branch Davidians; and Marshal Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate.

    JESUS’ ANTI-FAMILY VALUES
    https://www.usbible.com/Jesus/jesus_family.htm

    > they should never be circumcised

    Heh. Philippians 3:3 says, “For it is we who are the circumcision!” When you worship Jews, you lose.

  75. nsa says:
    @anon

    The biological purpose of human proliferation is to remove the plentiful carbon from the earth’s surface and return it to the atmosphere……..up to an overshoot level resulting in human extinction. The atmospheric buildup of carbon will then usher in a new golden age of plant life proliferation……eventually returning the atmospheric carbon to the earth’s surface allowing a new cycle of animal proliferation to eventually emerge. The course of this natural cycle of carbon based life forms is as immutable as the tides…..only the timing is of question.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @EdNels
    , @wally
  76. Heymrguda says:
    @Anonymous

    The hugeonots were either executed or forced to flee from France, you’ll have a tough time blaming the prods for the situation there.

  77. Baxter says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You are correct sir. In my late teens and early twenties I worked a series of ‘bottom of the barrel’ jobs.
    It was a beneficial experience for be to experience up close how the lower class lives and thinks and sees the world.
    These poor people have no clue they have been abandoned by the middle and upper classes and the politicians. They are stuck and condemned to to live stuck in decaying urban jungles.
    It’s all very sad.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  78. Flo says:
    @Dumbo

    If I remember correctly, there’s a gang-bang in The Camp of the Saints. A foolish young French woman (nowadays we call them SJWs) rushes to welcome the arriving hordes, to make them feel right at home in their new home on the French Riviera. They drag her into a café and assault her on the bar. PS: I read this book many moons ago. The translation was horrid — turgid and nearly unreadable in parts. It deserves to be published in a new translation.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  79. anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @ken

    ken: embrace of contraception
    jewsus: Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!

    European Woman have apparently embraced Christianity and it’s glorious barren wombs and dry breasts. And marriage is way down, which makes both Jewsus and the Jew Paul happy, since they taught their followers not to get married. With jewsus, you loses.

    • Replies: @ken
  80. eah says:
    @eah

    Exhibit A below is why Europe has trouble dealing with things like the ship “Open Arms” — below is the Twitter banner image used by Helle Thorning, who was PM of Denmark 2011 – 2015 (link) –“leaders” like this are why someone like Raspail would imagine something like The Camp of the Saints could happen.

  81. Anon[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @NightWriter

    I have a strong recall of the PRC attacks on Vietnam, to stop the Viet overthrow of the Khmer Rouge. At that time, some CPC Politburo members saw Cambodia as a playground for extreme Maoism, and as a toy in their alliance with the USA.

    I was a teen (16) at the time, but in uniform. WW III possibilities, frightening.

    Of course it was not “all-out war”, but fierce, many people killed, but China was stopping the attack, China and the USA (and Siam) were still supporting the Khmer Rouge until relatively recently. Mainly ineffectual.

  82. homahr says:
    @follyofwar

    Are only American Christian men circumcised due to Holohaux guilt? I’ve heard Mexican/Central/South American Christian men are not, along with European Christian men. What about Canadian Christian men? Do they also have to suffer circumcision due to Holohaux guilt?

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  83. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa

    Jurassic Park in our future!

    We are heading for a New Cretaceous, not for a new normal
    https://aeon.co/ideas/we-are-heading-for-a-new-cretaceous-not-for-a-new-normal

    Now with more plastic!

    Microplastics have turned up in the remote Arctic Ocean, which means they’re everywhere
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-05-13/microplastics-have-turned-remote-arctic-ocean-which-means-they-re-everywhere

    I remember George Carlin predicting this. His prophecy is a joke no longer.

    • LOL: wally
  84. Emslander says:

    Mr. Dinh, I think you need to spend a little more time in the high mountain coolness. This is a bridge that is finally too far.

  85. G says:
    @Alfred

    I think, energy is not really a problem long-term. Fusion energy will solve it and new battery technologies, mostly driven by the coming e-car boom in China, help the commercialization. Although we have a valley of 20 odd years to cross, before it really becomes productive on an industrial scale.

    Our “Energiewende”, energy turn, was doomed to fail. Everybody with half a brain knew this, unfortunately 3/4 of this country are firmly gripped, in mind and practice, by the far left. Objectively far left, because their ideas and methods would have been on the extreme fringe only 15-20 years ago. And the left loves nothing more than ignore objective reality.

    Today even the formerly conservative CDU/CSU went to the left under Merkel, and now there is only the AfD left and somewhat the libertarianish FDP – which usually bends the knee to the effective one-party establishment of our DDR 2.0 when push comes to shove.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alfred
  86. Long-time reader of Mr. LD’s work, though seldom comment; this essay has changed that. Thank you, sir! You’ve inspired me to begin writing again after an eight month hiatus from a column I wrote for 12 years or so, but this time I’ll be seeking a new publisher.

    I’m a white and was born in NYC into genuine privilege (thanks to a poor Irish immigrant grandfather who grew wealthy) that I still enjoy 70+ years later, though now in South America, to which I immigrated 15 years ago after five years in Spain, where I’d lived for many years previously. I’m a committed Zen practitioner, have been for more than half a century, but while I do not have faith in Christian metaphysics, I am a fan of its traditional ethics and morals, a believer in Natural Law and greatly respect the Catholic Social Teachings, particularly Subsidiarity. The present-day “social justice” spin I reject and consider dangerous to the West.

    South America (some of it) for persons of European descent is worthy of consideration for those who see the handwriting on the wall for Europe and the USA and consider emigrating. To be sure, such a move is not without attendant problems, but although it’s now a bit late in the game, it’s still possible to make a go of it here if one has some capital and a willingness to learn Spanish or Portuguese. My USA-born son certainly has, and has married a native of mildly mixed blood and has given me three grandchildren whose mixed blood is not noticeable, though one of the three has brown eyes, a first in our family. Thank the God in whom I do not believe, we are a happy family indeed!

    Much in this essay to analyze. Again, Mr LD, my thanks for your work and also to many of the commenters on it who have provided inspiration to make me wish to return to the fray!

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  87. TKK says:

    I just turned The Road back into the library.

    After reading it, I wanted to put the end of a shotgun in my mouth.

    One scene that tracks with Linh’s analysis was the boy and his father (no names ever given) see a pregnant woman and her little band wandering by. This seems to be an omen of hope, life, new beginnings.

    Then, I believe the next day, they find a spit, with the infant roasted and picked clean, its head chopped off. They say nothing. But later, the boy asks the father: We don’t eat babies, do we? (No quotes ever used to show conversation.

    The Father (the FATHER?) never loses patience. No, we don’t eat babies.

    The boy is constantly asking his Father what defines morality, who is good, who is bad- because all that is left is ash, death and the ravenous hunger.

    Is religion necessary to keep us from eating each other, if all organic material to consume is destroyed?

    Also, in No Country for Old Men (another McCarthy novel) the character of Anton Chigurh seems to be walking Death, Evil, the absence of Civilization, a Dystopian Nightmare. He is a man that can’t be reasoned with, bargained, bullied or bought. He’s coming for you. You have to kill him to have peace.

    Don’t look for justice or Christian certainty (I see it as smugness) in a McCarthy novel. You will not find it.

  88. @homahr

    Can’t answer for Canadians, but as a dual national EU-USA citizen, I can state that no male in my family has ever been subjected to the barbaric rite of circumcision and I strongly hope none ever will be. I live in South America and you are correct in your assumption that it remains uncommon here, but “progressives” push for it. Don’t know what the situation might be in the Europe I left long ago.

    • Replies: @G
    , @homahr
    , @Poupon Marx
  89. TKK says:
    @follyofwar

    which will bring them no joy when they are 40 and childless, with only cats to mother.

    I believe this used to be true. However, due to the manufacturing collapse brought about by NAFTA and the Clintons, and the usurpation of entry level jobs and construction work by Mexicans, I have found that people with children now are weary and exhausted because their children do not have the job opportunities to leave home or go to university.

    If they do go to college, who has $150,000 lying around for them to get a degree that is meaningless unless it is a STEM discipline? The child has to return home to afford the $1800 month student loan payment. If you default, the penalties are draconian. In two states, they take your driver’s license if you default on a federal student loan.

    In court, everyday, I see 40-50 year women, haggard and spent, caring for their grandchildren because their daughters and sons are running wild on drugs and monkeying the “thug”lifestyle. It has slowly ebbed into the upper middle classes as well. Its an epidemic. These daughters and sons pop in for a night, see the child, then leave again to go drugging. It’s an entire sub culture.

    They are posting selfies with their tongue sticking out getting their new tattoo at 3AMwhile their mother is rocking their 3 year old with an ear ache in a sticky mobile home. This is America now.

    The happiest people I observe do not have children. America has become so anti- family , especially for whites, that a cost/benefit analysis of having children fails.

  90. Dumbo: “… most Europeans consider themselves atheists …”

    No, they don’t.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe

    • Replies: @G
    , @Dumbo
  91. G says:
    @Montefrío

    Don’t know what the situation might be in the Europe I left long ago.

    There is no standard practice of circumcision in Europe, thankfully. There was even an attempt to ban it completely in Germany for health concerns and it was considered an attack on the human right of physical integrity. It was, as expected, smeared as “anti-Semitic and Islamophobic”, but ultimately got blocked because of rights on religious freedom. As far as I remember.

    Barbarism in the name of God still going strong in the current year.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  92. Countries that profess to be independent and have their culture (the big ones) are now non-existent in the West. Surely and slowly the tribal virus has taken over all nerve endings and controls all the synapses.
    At the heart of it are the Central Banks (the heart) the Corporates and endless supply of money to the chosen politicians.
    This Tribal Central Bank doesn’t control China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela and some other countries like Cuba, Zimbabwe, etc.
    Mr Lin Dinh paints a very dismal picture but it will be very different in the near future.
    I’m not suggesting utopia, but a less strenuous life for all non neo-con tribals.

  93. ken says:
    @anon

    You have a very interesting way of reading the bible.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  94. ken says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The future belongs to those who show up.

  95. TKK says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Thoughtful young lady.

    It’s just so hard, if not impossible, to take people seriously that refer to a talking snake as the foundation text for their belief system.

    In truth, the worst people I tangle with are the loud Baptists, the loud zealots of Evangelical Faith. Their children are all that matter, and they would trample a cripple, if unwatched, to make sure their fat kids get the best bite at the apple.

    I have met one Christian in my life. He was very poor because he constantly gave away his time and resources. He is one of the only people I ever met who would not steal, lie or cheat you. He was the type that would bring a homeless back to the house and feed him spaghetti, then shrug off what he stole or the damage he did.

    The poor fool thinks there is a blissful reward in the afterlife waiting for him instead of a dirt nap.

  96. Anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon19

    As I recall, in one of Linh’s pieces, he had mentioned that he hadn’t been to the US for some 13 years and that he had no intention of returning.

  97. G says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    One of the most repelling qualities of the American right, including large parts of the Alt-Right, is its absolute disingenuity concerning Christianity and its role in open border policies, migrant smuggeling NGOs, “anti-racism” demonstrations and the undermining of the mono-ethnic and mono-cultural nation states. Especially in Europe.

    The “Christian Question” is to the American Right what the “Jewish Question” is to Western society at large. Not only a taboo, but a subject on which many people proof their willingness to bend reality to fit their believe system and just ignore the facts outright, or even lie about them for a projected good of society.

    So far I have encountered extremely few people, on the left or right, truly willing to at least try to view political realities through an objective lense.

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Republic
  98. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @G

    > Fusion energy will solve

    Let me guess — it’ll be too cheap to meter too, right?

    “It is not too much to expect that our children will enjoy in their homes electrical energy too cheap to meter…” – AEC Chairman Lewis Strauss

    He was speaking of fusion power, as evidenced in this article: https://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/2016/06/03/too-cheap-to-meter-a-history-of-the-phrase/

    • Replies: @G
  99. EdNels says:
    @nsa

    This is a good perspective of the human life on earth and environment issues.

    Humans as a top of a food chain over time have began to displace vary much of the other main bulk stores of Protoplasm within the Biosphere.

    There used to be a lot of bulk protoplasm in the Sea like the zooplankton and the fish, and the Whales before they were used up as oil and cat food.

  100. wally says:
    @nsa

    Global greening:

    [MORE]

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/05/global-greening-is-happening-faster-than-climate-change-and-its-a-good-thing/
    “The amount of vegetation growing on the earth has been increasing every year for at least 30 years.”

    Green areas are the areas in which the vegetation has increased since 1982, massively in some areas. Infografic: Boston University

    The Carbon Dioxide Word Game
    https://principia-scientific.org/the-carbon-dioxide-word-game/

    Most Massive Scientific Fraud In Human History
    https://principia-scientific.org/most-massive-scientific-fraud-in-human-history/

    100% Of US ‘Warming’ Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/no_author/100-us-global-warming/

    The Leading Data Tampering Excuses / NOAA
    https://principia-scientific.org/the-leading-data-tampering-excuses/

    • Replies: @anon
  101. druid55 says:
    @GMC

    Christ was trying to right the wrongs in his religion as perpetrated by the Pharisees! he was a revolutionary, and that’s the Pharisees had him murdered by proxy, just as being done all over the ME today. The west (proxies) doing the dirty work of the jews!!!!

  102. nickels says:

    Meh Christianity bad, goy.

  103. homahr says:
    @Montefrío

    What arguments do the “progressives” in South America” push forth for circumcision? Which particular countries are these? I hope they are [still] not using the holohoax excuse.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  104. G. Poulin says:
    @Excal

    Those are exactly the points I would have made to that lunatic, if I was into conversing with lunatics.

    • Replies: @Excal
    , @anon
  105. Che Guava says:
    @Baxter

    Why do you say ‘they’? I have similar experience. ‘We’ may be more appropriate, unless you forgot those shitty jobs.

    I met an older lady tonight, she was working in a bar in Shinjuku at 23, had a a bad car accident abt. 10 yrs. ago, body very mis-shapen now.

    No trouble when she wanted to hold hands.

    The guy at the convenience shop, when he was finishing his sihift, may have thought me a lesbian with a granny fetish, but holding hands is pretty simple.

    In Korea, everyone holds hands, including the men, who have always had to do military training. I would guess it goes back to at least the Knrean War, but that is before my time. Possibly much earlier.

    I fhnd it rather a charming custom.

  106. G says:
    @anon

    There’ve been magical promises concerning fusion over the last fifty years or so, in returning waves. And the scientific base was not hard to understand, but when the magical promises were made, the engineers actually knew the technology was not advanced yet, because the conditions necessary are extremly hard to produce, especially for an productive energy output. Just like von Braun promised an operational moon base and space colony. Like him asking the Americans, I have to say: “It’s almost as if you didn’t know how marketing works.”

    But with the new international project in France being built right now, a sort of “manhattan project of fusion energy”, and private enterprise getting involved, this time it is indeed different. So yes, it will solve many problems in a few decades. And I’m certainly not alone in my assassement of the situation.

    It’s certainly a lot more realistic than Elon Musk getting humanity to Mars by 2025. With an operational colony already waiting.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  107. @TKK

    TKK

    It is hard to believe you could be an attorney, but maybe you come from some hick state where the bar is lower. So I am inclined to ask.

    …Why do so many middle-class whites want to be “thugs”? We all know that a young middle-class white in prison is going to be subject to torture and rape by blacks and Hispanics, or even older whites. Why would any young white from a middle-class home wish to end up in prison as a sex slave of blacks and Hispanics?

    …When I was young, only blacks smoked crack cocaine and crystal meth was associated with the depths of white trash squalor. Middle-class whites smoked pot and a few yuppies used cocaine. Why are whites now using drugs like heroin? When I was young, only rock stars and aging black career criminals used heroin. PCP was around for a few years, but this drug was so destructive that most people avoided it.

    …When I was young, if you got a girl pregnant, you found $200 (Going rate then) and sent her to an abortion clinic. You had to be careful with the Irish and Polish girls, because they were Catholic. Some would refuse an abortion. But in general, young people used birth control. Why are young people having kids out of wedlock now? Don’t they use rubbers anymore like we did? Why would a young white woman from a middle-class home today want to destroy her future having a kid? It is not because we did not have sex twenty years ago. Heck, we had more sex because porn was harder to get.

    …When I was young, people left home at 19 and had a roommate. Anybody who lived at home after the age of 20 was the local “weird johnny”. You either got a job, went to college or joined the military. Even young women 25 years ago were pressured to leave home at age twenty. Young people lived with other young people as roommates. What has changed? Why do young people no longer move out of home? I had moved out of home at 19 and by 26 was overseas. How could any 26 year old live at home? Where do young people have sex if they have to live at home?

    …Finally, this seems to be a white Evangelical Protestant phenomenon? Somehow the Jews and Asians have avoided this. Why are white protestants doing this. Of course Italians, even middle-class ones, always had their criminal syndicates.

    You claim to be a DA or public defender. So what exactly has happened to transform middle-class whites into thuggish blacks?

    Poor whites have always had their Charles Mansons. Incorrigible career criminal types. But not middle-class whites.

    What’s changed?

    I’m now 45 and spent my life overseas. I’m genuinely curious.

    • Replies: @TKK
  108. FvS says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What is a New Testament verse in support of ethnonationalism? Because Galatians 3:28-29 sounds pretty universalist. I think common sense views on race and nation existed for a long time in spite of Christianity, and when they were challenged by Jewish intellectuals in the 20th century, Christians found they had no defense. However, it is odd how many atheists reject race realism out of hand when they are supposed to be the biggest supporters of scientific analysis. Most atheists are essentially just secular Christians though.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  109. Alfred says:
    @G

    energy is not really a problem long-term. Fusion energy will solve it

    Dreaming is a great pastime. I do a lot of it when I am asleep. Sadly, when I wake up, I cannot remember what I was dreaming of. You clearly remember your dreams.

    My dear sir. Fusion energy has been talked about for almost one century. Francis William Aston “discovered” the concept in 1920. It is an extreme example of vaporware – i.e. BS

    new battery technologies, mostly driven by the coming e-car boom in China

    As for your magical batteries. I have news for you. The last big step in battery technology was the discovery of the lithium battery in 1912. Since then, it has greatly improved. A prototype Lithium-ion battery was made in 1985. The latest versions of the Lithium battery offer more flexibility but can store less energy than their predecessors. The laws imposed by the chemical valency table cannot be abrogated.

    Do tell us how alleged Chinese demand for better batteries translates into such batteries making an appearance.

    Bankruptcies and slowdown hang over China’s electric car market

    I am glad you agree that the Germans have a huge cockup on their hands. What makes you think that the political leaders of China are any less gullible or intellectually-challenged?

    But please do dream on. I don’t wish to spoil your mood. 🙂

    • Replies: @G
    , @DirkVL
  110. Republic says:
    @G

    The “Christian Question”

    Dr William Luther Pierce, the late White nationalist leader addressed this Christian problem many times and how Christianity was incompatible with White Nationalism

    • Replies: @G
    , @Dumbo
  111. @TKK

    “The happiest people I observe……”. Well, you haven’t been to Amish or Mennonite country. And you failed to brief yourself by vicarious means, e.g., internet and online sites. This places you at the bottom of the credibility totem, so therefore this reflects badly on your Credible Score.

    Then there are the Mormons. Maybe you are sowing dysfunction for deliberately as an Untouchable Caste for ZOG NWO.

    • Replies: @TKK
  112. @Montefrío

    I am laughing at you. From the Mayo Clinic:

    Sometimes there’s a medical need for circumcision, such as when the foreskin is too tight to be pulled back (retracted) over the glans. In other cases, particularly in parts of Africa, circumcision is recommended for older boys or men to reduce the risk of certain sexually transmitted infections.

    [MORE]

    The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. However, the AAP doesn’t recommend routine circumcision for all male newborns. The AAP leaves the circumcision decision up to parents — and supports use of anesthetics for infants who have the procedure.

    Circumcision might have various health benefits, including:

    Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin.
    Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later.
    Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.
    Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.
    Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it’s less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

    Baseless, lack of evidence or data, or even more than shallow thought is rare. Ask some women what they prefer. I have. By the scores, they say give me the circumcised chorizo.

    • Replies: @FvS
    , @Robjil
    , @Anne Lid
  113. @FvS

    There is not a word in this imbecilic post of yours that is “even wrong.” Supposing you actually believe your own shit and are not just being a disingenuous dumbass, you are operating at about the same level of verbal acuity as the people who believe that Larry Silverstein discussing “pulling” the building with the fire marshal discloses a vast conspiracy to commit controlled demolition.

  114. @follyofwar

    In your example, Dumbo, when the Finnish woman spoke of “black men with full lips,” was she really suggesting a different body part?

    What does a circumcised penis look like? I mean, how would you accurately describe it?

    Is it really like the negroes’ “full lips” (are there 2 rings on a circumcised penis?) or is there only 1 ring?

    Pardon the pun, but would it be too much of a stretch to say that Judaism at its base root is nothing more than astrotheology and in particular the worship of Saturn?

    Believe it or not, the Jewish Oligarchs who own all the central banks of this world worship Satan aka Saturn!

    The star of David is the star of Remphan (Satan)!

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  115. G says:
    @Republic

    I am well aware of that. But he certainly wasn’t part of this Alt-Right/Alt-Light/MAGA/MIGA movement stew. The more you read from those men, the more you realize the nu right is indeed just a group of wannabe boomers with second hand ideas from men greater than them who had already failed in times which were more in their favor. Nevermind reactionary intellectuals from the 19th century.

  116. G says:
    @Alfred

    The only thing more predictable than magical promises about fusion energy by marketing departments, is the hotchpotch of naysayers who feel extremly clever about smugly repeating a bunch of half-truths and nonsense from the past they collected from somewhere like poisonous mushrooms. Without knowing what has actually changed.

    You also might want to read Unz own article again about the decline of the USA and the rise of China. I have no illusions about my own continent; the Americans however…

    • Replies: @Alfred
  117. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @TKK

    In the USA-EU we live in what some catholics call the ” Culture of death ”

    https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/architects-of-the-culture-of-death-introduction.html

    • Agree: TKK
  118. Questore says:
    @Realist

    Yeah, but the former is idiomatic, at least in Hymietown.

  119. Patrick says:

    Christianity is necessary because the world is full of moral darkness. Christianity helps people awaken the light within in the midst of the darkness. Other religions like Confucianism, Buddhism, or Hinduism can help with that too. People need a moral law to guide them and their behavior. When you take away the moral law by promoting atheism, hell on earth is unleashed and the destructive forces of human jealousy can run wild destroying many good things of the world. Loving each other is important. Christianity has nothing to do with not having national borders, a lack of national borders is promoted by the mainstream media, the media is the culprit and so is academia. They have been promoting a borderless world.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
  120. TKK says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Not sure why someone would lie about being an attorney. We are a dime a dozen. Unfortunately I am one.

    No, I previously worked as a PD ( and a prosecutor for only one year). I have my own practice.

    I caught your jab- the bar is lower. Why insult someone on the Internet?

    You are woefully out of touch with America. If you believe white Americans do not embrace hip hop culture, check the net worth of the “artists”. Take a gander at the song Old Town Road by a Rapper Lil Nas X.

    “Old Town Road” continued to exceed 100 million streams in each of the eight following weeks, and as of June 2019 is responsible for the three highest weekly U.S. streaming totals in the history of digital music, as well as nine of the eleven highest overall.[45][46] The song has been certified triple Platinum by the RIAA, indicating sales of three million copies or more in the U.S.[47]

    I understand you allege you don’t live in the USA.
    Using your specious tactics- you could be perched in your mom’s basement. Don’t know, don’t care.

    But, excepting elites whose children go to private schools in the North, many many whites have no jobs, no hope and they don’t read. Hip hop black culture is what they aspire and live to. Its the soundtrack of their lives. I have clients -white ones- talk to me in black lingo.

    Where you stay
    We lampin’
    Trust no man, fear no bitch

    It’s how they talk. They don’t read, go to church, belong to civic organizations. They listen to music on their phone.

    Why don’t they get abortions? Because of the state benefits. They can “roll sheets”- sleep-and get free food, health insurance and sometimes a free place to live.

    If you don’t believe that millions of grandmothers are raising their grandchildren, and that opiate use is responsible and that only blacks use crack (Ha!) – drop the smart guy routine. Meth is cheap crack. You can get high on meth for 18 hours for 20 bucks if you smoke it. You get a rock of crack for $20 bucks and you are high for 3 minutes. (generous)

    I have actual practical knowledge of sitting with these people in their messes and cleaning them up.

    To be sure- you drone on EXHAUSTIVELY about NOT LIVING IN THE USA FOR YEARS

    – therefore you are not qualified to comment nor parse the culture. QED

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  121. FvS says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Let the males choose when they’re adults if they want it or not.

  122. TKK says:
    @Poupon Marx

    You would be correct in that I avoid the Amish. They are the largest villains in using puppy mills to generate cash. They drive their horses to death in the streets from overwork.

    Indeed, anyone that believes a button is a mechanism for the devil to hang on, and is therefore demonic- I am okay with skipping the pleasure of their enlightened company.

    The rest of your post is not intelligible.

    Skip the Jewish conspiracy nonsense. It’s clownish. Waste of time.

    The Jews I have met could not run a lemonade stand. Their brilliance as global masterminds escapes me.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Poupon Marx
  123. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    No matter the denomination, Christianity is Jew-worship.

    Exactly! That is what I have been saying…

    No matter the denomination, Christianity is pagan “in-his-image” mangods worship, a less extreme version of Hinduism.

    The Trinity is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    The Trimurthi is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: the Creator, the Preserver, the Destroyer.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  124. Talha says:
    @Patrick

    Christianity has nothing to do with not having national borders

    It does seem a bit weird to me to blame this specific phenomenon on Christianity since (though some churches are indeed backing non-stop immigration) Europe is probably the least Christian it has ever been for centuries. So can the trend be chalked up to Christian sentiment or rather to a lack of Christian ethos?

    I don’t think the equation is all that simple.

    For instance, in the 100 Years War, the zeal of the French kicking out the English took on a decidedly religious bent (especially see Joan of Arc who went on to become an official saint).

    Peace.

  125. Sorry, Linh; plenty of Portuguese and Dutch were happy to trample on the Cross at Dejima, but there was no shortage of Niijima Jōs. The yellow man wanted our spiritual products as much as they wanted KFC. You’d get laughed out of the country for saying the Kentucky Colonel needed to cane a few mongolian-spotted backsides to inculcate a love of his secret herbs and spices, and the Gospel’s no different. Christianity even does it with three where Harland needed eleven.

  126. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @FvS

    > Galatians 3:28-29 sounds pretty universalist.

    Indeed, and the Jew Testament is also the source of the “we all bleed red” canard. “From one human being he created all races of people.” (Acts 17:26) Wrong! Who really believes that Jewish storytelling anymore? The White Man’s science about natural selection has totally disproven such a fantastical make-believe claim.

    Scientists Try to Reconcile Adam and Eve Story, Whiff. Again.
    https://newrepublic.com/article/115759/adam-eve-theologians-try-reconcile-science-and-fail

  127. Robjil says:
    @Poupon Marx

    It is mutilation, male mutilation. Similar to cutting dogs tails for certain breeds. Oh, it “must” be done otherwise it wouldn’t be this breed of dog.

    If female mutilation was part of a religious ceremony, these “doctors” would “find” so many great things about it.

    This Mayo Clinic is all about supporting a religious ceremony and nothing more than that.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Sparkon
  128. Dule says:
    @G. Poulin

    “Christianity took a wrong turn turn when it started insisting that there should be no barriers between nations”.
    This is true only for the ‘western Christianity’ that is essentially the heresy of papal universality and omnipotence. The Ortodox Christianity of Bisantium and Eastern Europe never had such intentions. That is why it suffered countless genocidal assaults from the West in the past 1000 years, since it has plunged into the heresy.

  129. @TKK

    TKK

    I’m genuinely curious because I am neither young nor hep to the legal system. And yes, I have not lived in the US and am was once lower middle class white and young myself (I’m 45) so I am genuinely curious about life now for young white middle-class and lower middle-class people.

    …When I was young, prison was dreadful for whites. We all heard stories about some white drunk driver who ended up getting AIDS in prison. Prisons seemed to get worse for whites in the 1980’s. White professional criminals like car thieves and cat burglars seemed to go straight.

    Then along came the Three Strikes Law and this really scared petty white offenders straight.

    But mostly it was rape. The fear of prison rape/torture.

    Are young whites these days that naive and foolish?

    What? They cannot be plumbers or electricians? Mexicans come out of the jungles and take those jobs?

    As for crystal meth, I can understand why it would make sense economically. A crack habit usually runs $200 a day. In any event, blacks never seemed to take to meth. A good thing in my opinion. Ironically this was racism-the drug equivalent of wine snobs. Meth was associated by blacks with white rural poor, whom they hate.

    So for your average white young woman-say lower middle class or working class-welfare is that desirable? Young women used to want to meet a man and wait until age 25 or 30. Is living on canned food and oatmeal that great? A free place to live? Really, are young white women that desperate for shelter that they are willing to get pregnant? Are the benefits that great?

    What do adoption agencies do?

    I agree about the grandmothers. To be fifty and essentially become a parent again because your 20 year old daughter is a slut who cannot go on the pill is really a downer. I personally would not do it. I’d tell my daughter it was her problem if she were legally old enough.

    You say whites have no hope. Really? They cannot even hope to be auto mechanics or plumbers or electrical engineers? Indians came out of the jungles of Mexico and take these jobs as well?

    I don’t doubt you. I’ve lived overseas too long to really know. I was just genuinely curious. It seems as if the US is even more far gone than I thought.

  130. Robjil says:
    @TKK

    Everyone was skeptical about that until one finds out who really did nine eleven.

    After one knows about that, one questions everything we have been told in past 100 years.

    Purim fest has been going on a grand scale for past years.

    [MORE]

    1917- 1st Russian Revolution of that year started on Purim.

    1946 – ten National Socialists hung like the ten sons of Haman at the Nuremberg trials.

    1953 – Stalin poisoned on Purim

    1991- First war on Iraq ends on Purim

    2003- Second war on Iraq begins on Purim

    2011- War on Libya starts on Purim

    Nine eleven theme comes from a Kabbala treatise –

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/yetzirah.htm

    SEPHER YETZIRAH
    OR
    THE BOOK OF CREATION

    Chapter 1

    4. Ten are the numbers of the ineffable Sephiroth, ten and not nine, ten and not eleven. Learn this wisdom, and be wise in the understanding of it, investigate these numbers, and draw knowledge from them, fix the design in its purity, and pass from it to its Creator seated on his throne.

    Wesley Clark’s theme of Destroy Seven Nations for the nine eleven event comes from Deuteronomy 7:1-2

    https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9971/jewish/Chapter-7.htm#v1

    1When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful than you.

    2And the Lord, your God, will deliver them to you, and you shall smite them. You shall utterly destroy them; neither shall you make a covenant with them, nor be gracious to them.

    • Replies: @mcohen
  131. @TKK

    “They drive their horses to death in the streets from overwork.” Same thing with slaves in the antebellum South. They cost a fortune at the Slave Market, so that makes it easy to abuse them so that the return on investment would be less. People who don’t have much, like the Amish, abuse their horses, upon whom they absolutely depend on to eat? You are either stupid or were born blind and deaf, and hear voices in your head.

    The Amish and Mennonites LIVE the sustainable, renewable, independent, organic farming, harmony with “Gaia”, while the rest of the World postures and signals from their modern comforts. None of the PC, Diversity, Inclusiveness, and other ZOG disease seems able to take root in their society.

    They are awful, aren’t they? Never taking a cent from the Grubmint, and the women wear dresses.

    Why do I bother with dimwits? Is it altruism? You seem hopeless dim, but others might take you seriously.

    • Replies: @anon
  132. anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @wally

    It’s funny when science-denialists like Wally actually admit that humans are pumping CO2 into the atmosphere in quantities enough to change the climate and ecology of the planet. Unfortunately, his cherry-picking of greening–while ignoring all the other dire consequences of increased CO2–is as dishonest as saying smoking tobacco is good for you, because nicotine causes neurons to release excess dopamine, which makes you feel relaxed and pleasant. Does anybody still believe smoking is good for you? The remainder of his lies are addressed and thoroughly debunked at SkepticalScience.com.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  133. @Robjil

    Mrs. Ritchie, my 9th grade English teacher, would describe your post as a topic sentence with no paragraph or supporting evidence. After you get your GED Equivalent, talk to me again.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  134. @Si1ver1ock

    This story was first told by Michael Christopher Carroll in 2004 in his book “Lab 257: The Disturbing Story Of The Governments Secret Germ Laboratory”. I highly recommend it to all!!
    http://www.empirestatelymediseaseassociation.org/BOOKS/1FREE-books/Michael_Carroll_Lab_257.pdf

  135. Anonymous[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patrick

    > Christianity has nothing to do with not having national borders

    Wrong. If a black African is a Christian, you’ll call him a “Brother,” and reject me as a Brother, even though we’re of the same nationality, just because I don’t worship the Jewish Rabbi you worship. Christianity deliberately destroys the concept of kin and nation and biological brotherhood with a make-believe globalist/universalist acceptance of all people as your kin, even kinky-haired blacks — as long as you worship the Holy Jew.

  136. Sparkon says:
    @Robjil

    No, you’re thinking of Darth Vader, whose helmet was circumcised so he could see better.

    [MORE]

    But there is no connection between cutting dog tails and circumcision. False analogy. Gong.

    There are numerous beneficial health outcomes for infant male circumcision, and all the wailing about “mutilation” won’t change that.

    Together, these showed that early infant MC confers immediate and lifelong benefits by protecting against urinary tract infections having potential adverse long-term renal effects, phimosis that causes difficult and painful erections and “ballooning” during urination, inflammatory skin conditions, inferior penile hygiene, candidiasis, various sexually transmissible infections in both sexes, genital ulcers, and penile, prostate and cervical cancer.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296634/

  137. @anon

    Oh screw you. We get it already, X-tians are this and that, they worship Jews, bla, bla. Too much Sunday school for you?

    Got anything else to say? At least pick a proper pseudonymic handle. Even your real name should do, your stuff is so common.

  138. Keep it simple – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=churchianity – Christianity is NOT churchianity! Summary – Christianity is not just Good Samaritanism!

    • Replies: @anon
  139. @Si1ver1ock

    I didn’t realize Micheal Carroll’s book was mentioned in the video. I still suggest everyone down load and read this book. You will never see your government in the same light again.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  140. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Poupon Marx

    > The Amish and Mennonites LIVE the sustainable, renewable, independent, organic farming

    Somewhat true, but they also are Jew-worshipers, and thus are globalists saving all the kinky-haired black babies for Jewsus. Look up the term “Haiti Benefit Auction,” the name of a common event in many different places where Mennonites live, where you can buy quilts and Amish furniture such to raise money to get blacks in Haiti saved by Jewsus. And if you’ve ever attended a Mennonite church, you won’t be surprised to see a family with an adopted black baby. Then they find out that Magic Jewsus is as effective as Magic Dirt.

  141. @TKK

    “I just turned The Road back into the library.
    After reading it, I wanted to put the end of a shotgun in my mouth.”

    I recommend you still do. Can’t quite believe you’re that lit-driven.

  142. Robjil says:
    @Poupon Marx

    The Corn Flakes guy pushed the idea of male mutilation for USA boys.

    [MORE]

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread74780/pg1

    Is this because ‘Female Genital Mutilation’ is a foreign concept to Westerners, and thus horrific, or is it because removing the most sensitive parts of the human genitalia for no reason whatsoever is in itself horrific, but we accept it outright? The idea that male circumcision is performed for hygiene is not true, and in fact its origins in America amongst gentiles were for reasons of sexual purity, as detailed by a proponent of the operation, John Harvey Kellogg:

    “Tying the hands is also successful in some cases. Covering the organs with a cage has been practiced with entire success. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying abnormal excitement. A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect on the mind.”

    Circumcision is male genital mutilation and nothing more than that.

  143. @TKK

    My childhood consisted of heavy religious programming(Southern Baptist Church). It took almost a lifetime to shed the fear and guilt programming, but I can say I’m free at last.

    Sad thing about most humans is they will never be able to shed themselves of their programming, whether it be faith in a religion, political party, our some new form of propagandized pseudoscience.

  144. @Flo

    The SJW woman got gang raped by prisoners who escaped from jail after all authority broke down and the prison guards ran away.

  145. Cochise says:

    Amazes me how Europeans seem to need to worship a Bearded Jew; Jesus or Marx, why ?

    Just like the Persians worshiping a conquering creed, and discarding their own religious cultures for an alien rule, I have never understood the need to bow down before inferior physical specimens.

    Curious

  146. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Crush Limbraw

    Yet another Christian vehemently denouncing all other Christians as wrong, evil, stupid, and/or immoral, because all these other Christians haven’t yet learned the “one neat trick” to become a Certified Stamped Approved Bona Fide Authentic Real True Believer. Does it ever end?

  147. @anonymous

    Creator, preserver, destroyer are three aspects of the economy of their deity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons.

    All three Persons pre-existed any man-god Incarnation.

    Christianity is the worship of Jesus Christ, second Person of the Trinity, in the living Spirit of God, to the glory of God the Father;
    it is not the worship of a person of any nationality or ethnicity.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  148. @homahr

    The principal argument used is that circumcision is “healthy”. This argument has gained little traction. You find it in Argentina (largest Jewish population on the continent) and to a lesser extent in Uruguay, but I’m speculating to a certain extent as I don’t have supporting statistics. There is no “holocaust guilt” to any meaningful extent down here in spite of incessant media attention to the topic. The media push this and other progressive topics, but far more attention is paid to futból and gossip about celebrities. Being “woke” means fretting about Columbus and the sad plight of women, “native peoples” and transsexuals plus some vague sense of “liberation theology” and how the poor are always with us but wouldn’t be if only all nations would institute universal income or some such boondoggle.

  149. Anne Lid says:
    @Poupon Marx

    [Too much circumcision nonsense.]

    • Replies: @Talha
  150. @Johnny Walker Read

    The Plum Island story! As a teen in the 60s, I often though about trying an unauthorized landing there, but saner friends convinced me that a sail-by would do. Bad ju-ju there, very bad.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  151. It must have been Stratton-Oakmont Sperm company.

  152. @anon

    Christ, the Messiah, came from the line of David, King of Israel.
    Therefore salvation is of the Jews.

    Mr. Bull bought the wrong line.

    • Replies: @anon
  153. @TKK

    Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? James 2:5

  154. Agent76 says:

    Aug 30, 2011 CORPORATE FASCISM: The Destruction of America’s Middle Class

    A new kind of fascism has taken over America: the merger of corporations and government whereby corporate power dominates. With the emergence of ever-larger multinational corporations — due to consolidation facilitated by the Federal Reserve’s endless FIAT money — the corporatocracy has been in a position to literally purchase the U.S. Congress.

    “Who controls the issuance of money controls the government!” Nathan Meyer Rothschild

    June 13, 2016 Which Corporations Control The World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44864.htm

    “Control the oil, and you control nations. Control the food, and you control the people.” Henry Kissenger

  155. @anon

    Full quote:

    For indeed the days are coming in which they will say,
    ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ Luke 23:29

    Verses taken out of context hardly advance your argument.

    Jesus was describing the end time and its terrible days of tribulation.

    • Replies: @anon
  156. Talha says:
    @Anne Lid

    Hmmmm, this comment was…cut short.

    Peace.

  157. DB Cooper says:
    @Cochise

    There is still a strong undercurrent of nostalgia of Pre-Islamic Persia in Iran today and is one of the reasons the Persian poet Ferdowsi is still revered. On the other hand the cultural genocide of the Europeans by Christianity is complete and absolute.

    • Replies: @Thea
  158. @anon

    Did you read all the articles linked? What specifically do you find wrong with the criticism? And what is the “one neat trick” you’re referring to?

  159. @anon

    Your “smoking science” listed is eerily similar to the “Vaccine” and “Fluoride” pseudoscience we are subjected to today. Same can be said for your “man made global warming” theories, which is all they are. It’s funny how earth cycles are never mentioned in the climate change debate.

    • Replies: @anon
  160. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Mewling by you Jew-worshipers about the Jew Testament being quoted “out of context” is such abused means of excuse-making that it is now an internet joke, but thanks for your input on what you imagine Rabbi Jewsus really meant.

  161. Loren says:
    @anon

    jew suits? Infiltrators? stalins real name means ‘son of jew?”–yet he went to some monastery.

  162. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    > earth cycles are never mentioned in the climate change debate

    They are. Can you even read?

  163. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    It looks bad for some whites in US now. In Las Vegas they’re living in underground tunnels. Here’s one ex-porn star Jenni Lee homeless and literally living underground in rat infested sewer, like they do, or used to, in Bogota or Brazil.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  164. anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > Therefore salvation is of the Jews.

    You’re talking out both sides of your mouth. You just responded to the other anonymous poster in your comment #149 with exactly the opposite, “it is not the worship of a person of any nationality or ethnicity.”

    Well, which way is it?

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  165. @Cochise

    Curious jump from Christ (God) to Marx (atheist).

    Nothing alien about Christ, since He created us:

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3

    There is no text that would suggest Christ was an inferior physical specimen.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @MAOWASAYALI
  166. @anon

    There is one person in all Jewish history chosen to be incarnate God: the God-man Christ Jesus.

    Therefore worship of Him is entirely separate from any supposed worship of Jews or Judaism.

    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6 NKJV

    • Replies: @anon
  167. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    No curious jump. Marx lifted has famous maxim nearly word-for-word from two passages in the Jew Testament.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  168. @anon

    Now you have me curious. Which two passages?

    • Replies: @anon
  169. anarchyst says:
    @MAOWASAYALI

    The jewish “star of david” is the perfect example of the prophecy in the biblical book of “Revelation”.
    The “mark of the beast” in revelation is known as the numerals “666”.
    The jewish “star of david” has 6 points, 6 triangles, and a six-sided figure in the middle (hexagon).
    This is the proverbial “mark of the beast”.

  170. Jesus was a socialist, get over it. Go back to worshiping your shekels like the trained goyim yous are.
    All you so called Christians would murder him all over again, for all the same reasons.
    Jesus would be called everything in the book by the posters here, as well as “our” own “government” a communist, a socialist, a radical, probably even a terrorist.
    Turn off the Fox “news” folks

    Haha. Trump is crazy. He’s pissing off everyone..

    • Replies: @G
  171. mcohen says:
    @Robjil

    It is purim that makes the mark of the beast change from 666 to 999
    999 and 911 are the kung fu energy centres of the matrix and a well known mk ultra mind bender.

    All hail Jub brother of Job the sightless one

    • Replies: @Robjil
  172. @SeekerofthePresence

    Curious jump from Christ (God) to Marx (atheist).

    It gets even more curious when you realize both were Jews.

  173. Sam J. says:

    If Christens would just pay attention to what Jesus said everything would be fine.

    JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. – then answered the Jews — ” (which makes it clear that Christ was addressing the Jews.)

    The good news is all the new immigrants hate the Jews and would be happy to combine with the Whites to throw them out of the country. If we can throw the Jews out it would all be worth it.

  174. G says:
    @redmudhooch

    JUST NOW: I asked @realDonaldTrump who American Jews are being disloyal to by voting for Democrats, he said they’re being “disloyal to Israel.”

    “Yo, heebs! You should be even more loyal to this foreign country which owns me!”
    – Yours truly, Cyrus the orange, aka Charles Kushner’s obscene mouthpiece.

    Total clown world. Get your act together, Murica. You are becoming the real life version of Neon-Nazi memes.

    • LOL: MAOWASAYALI
  175. @NightWriter

    It is important that you mention how the older Vietnamese could figure out what was going on. It is the same with us older Americans (I am nearing 70) who have read the alternative press and read so many books and magazine articles and took so much time to do this (I did this research instead of watching idiot sitcoms and most of the other garbage on TV).

    In my job of some 35 years I could figure what was going on after hearing a person speak for 10 minutes. We look for the patterns in human behavior and in history.

    These know-it-all youth in college and those in their 30s, 40s know little but they have massive egos. They just don’t know the patterns and don’t have enough learned people to teach them, but of course most radical leftists only believe what they want to believe.
    Many of the readers of the Unz Review can spot patterns a mile away but most of the population simply wants to be entertained and will spot nothing, and these college kids don’t know how unlearned they really are. These leftist kids will be attacked by the sociopaths just as occurred in all radical leftist and Communist and anarchist revolutions.
    The mainstream media is to blame for this mess.
    I wonder if we will have flush toilets and clean water 20 years from now.

  176. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    JEW TESTAMENT
    • “each according to his ability” (Matt. 25:15)
    • “all things were common property to them…and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need” (Acts 4:32,35)

    MARX’S MAXIM
    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

    John the Baptist was a pinko jew too. “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.” (Luke 3:11)

    And let’s not forget that Ludwig von Mises wrote, “primitive Christianity is Bolshevism.” (Socialism, p. 413)

    • Replies: @Excal
    , @Commentator Mike
  177. Alfred says:
    @G

    So what has changed? We have the internet. Does that solve anything?

    The fact remains that any effort to produce fusion energy consumes far more energy than it produces – and a massive amount of money.

    At this week’s meeting in France (2010), ITER’s partners are expected to approve the requisite $17 billion, nearly triple 2006 estimates.

    Actually, the current estimated cost is $10+ billion more than the figure above – with no end in sight.

    The leader of the international collaboration challenges a DOE undersecretary’s claim that the price tag will be tens of billions of dollars higher than official estimates.

    Please be so kind as to provide some data that support your dream. Calling people names is not very constructive.

  178. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > There is one person in all Jewish history…

    “Salvation is from the Jews” is plural. See that “s” at the end of Jews?

    When are you going to quit out-sourcing your salvation to the Jews? Can you not find a local source within your own nation to provide you with whatever salvation you imagine you need?

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  179. @Commentator Mike

    MIKE

    What I cannot understand is why other white countries don’t have quite the same degree of poverty among whites. Australia, Canada, New Zealand. Sure, some people are living on the poverty line but not at those levels of poverty.

    Why are whites in the US worse off than whites in other developed countries? Sure, there are poor people Sydney but none live in tunnels?

    How exactly is the economy structured differently in those countries so that nobody-white or any other color-sinks to such a level of poverty?

    How is it that Mexicans or Filipinos or other races can find great wealth and opportunity in the US? What is the difference?

    Nobody in other developed countries is that bad off. What is different in the US?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  180. apollonian says: • Website

    Dinh Is On Very Cusp Of True Inspiration, Never Doubt

    (A.) Linh Dinh is a good writer, but he utterly fails to understand Christianity which is the Hegelian “ANTI-THESIS” to Judaism which is simply Satanism (see RevisionistReview.BlogSpot.com, Come-and-hear.com, and TruthTellers.org for best expo on Talmud and Zohar, foundations of Judaism).

    Oh, and Satanism is simply EXTREME subjectivism, idea reality is product of consciousness/mind, while Christianity upholds the Aristotelian objective reality (see Gosp. JOHN 8:44).

    [MORE]

    Thus Christianity is PHILOSOPHY, at root, anti-thesis to satanic Judaism (also philosophy, at root), the Pharisaic forbears being the ones Christ denounced and repudiated as HERETICS who rejected the Mosaic law, substituting their “Oral Law Tradition” and “midrash” (INTERPRETATION) by which now Moses means whatever the rabbis profess and determine–subjectivism.

    Thus Christ = TRUTH (JOHN 8:44), which truth couldn’t exist without the OBJECTIVE reality as reference and criterion.

    What Linh Dinh and sooooo many others utterly overlook is the sublime satanic genius to the Talmudists for their COLLECTIVIST organization and “group-think” of subjectivists and subjectivism who lead, dominate, manipulate, and rule over all the other subjectivists, especially among the goyim, who, though far more numerous, are far less organized, thus allowing and permitting the Jews to rule and dominate–for the Jews are ORGANIZED, cohesive, united, and hence much better led.

    Further, note and observe the Jews and satanic suck-alongs control that KEY existential machine, the central-banking (legalized counterfeiting) which just churns out evermore currency (not real money–see Mises.org for expo on central-banking). Jews will always dominate as long as that central-bank continues putting out evermore currency which allows Jews to buy practically EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE–certainly as long as people continue to accept that fake “money” for payment for goods and svcs. So Jews and Satanists own all the politicians and judges–like Trump–so they rule, and the goyim suck-alongs willingly, even cheerfully enforce things for them, Jews (and Satanists) the proverbial “tail” wagging the dumb “dog.”

    Note that dumbass moron, Phil Giraldi, NEVER mentions the central-bank as Jews’ foremost, essential instrument of control over goyim–Giraldi just blabbing and babbling like the ignorant fool he really is, not capable of understanding how the world works–by means of that key mechanism, the central-banks.

    (B.) Thus, as reality is objective, it is DETERMINED according to absolute cause-effect, there being no perfectly “free” will, and history is CYCLIC according to Oswald Spengler and “Decline of the West.” So we’ll always have CYCLIC “end-times,” as of Book of Revelations–and as Spengler so brilliantly describes.

    Doubt the satanic nature of present “end times”?–observe United Nations (UN) Agenda-21 and -2030 “population-reduction” (GENOCIDE, suckers), presently being enacted by poison GMO foods, poison (“fluoridated”) water supplies, poison “mandatory” vaccines, poison “chem-trails” and “geo-engineering,” etc. One could go on and on for satanic examples.

    Don’t forget the Christian determinist doctrine of sin by which humans are doomed without grace and mercy of God’s salvation–there’s no perfectly “free” will, and one cannot evade one’s human nature–SELF-INTEREST which only needs guidance of REASON which operates upon necessary assumption of objective reality–which can’t be formally “proven” in logic as first premises have no premises before them.

    But Dinh manfully struggles to making sense of things–keep trying Linh, thou have done well so far, just keep up thy efforts. Thus we have an over-population of “liberals” and “progressives” who enforce the rule of Satanists, and these poor, stupid “leftists,” filled w. hubris of imagined “free” will, just need to be thinned-out, removed, and over-thrown (along w. the Satanists)–we need a GENUINE Christian “revival”–a re-affirmation of genuine Western culture which is Aristotelian (objective and determined)–against the present satanic (subjectivistic). Once Dinh catches on to the real, BASIC philosophic implications, he’s going to be fine, I suspect–we need more outstanding writers like Dinh.

  181. Excal says:
    @G. Poulin

    Thank you, you’re very kind! I wasn’t expecting to change his (her?) mind at all, but sometimes it’s good to put a rebuttal out there.

  182. Excal says:
    @anon

    This is a very common misconception, spread by the socialists themselves. Socialists love to claim that their philosophy is anticipated by all the great thinkers and religions.

    However, the truth is that socialism and Christianity are fundamentally opposed. Christianity is the worship of God, and that is who the Christian serves. Socialism is the opposite: it makes a god of Man, and Man is what the socialist serves. Socialism is in fact very nearly the precise inverse of Christianity.

    The socialist attempts to press Christian scripture into service, because the socialist claims to do all the good things that all other religions have done before, but better. Christians claim to teach truth: Socialists claim to teach the truth, but better. Christians help the poor: socialists claim to help the poor, but better. Christians teach love of neighbor: socialists teach the universal brotherhood of man. But that does not mean that they are the same religion.

    It should be noted that when something is promised by the socialists, very frequently the opposite thing results. So when the socialists promise peace, war results; when the socialists promise wealth, poverty results; when the socialists promise universal freedom, the result is universal slavery. So they may promise to do the good things that the great religions do, but they do not deliver on those promises.

  183. Dumbo says:
    @FvS

    There are no “white values”, and if there were, they would run exactly contrary to what this dumb picture is saying.

    – Whites are basically individualistic, so they usually put their own individual interests ahead of those of the community or “tribe”, there is no sense of cohesion as with other races.
    – Whites (at least those from Northern Europe) don’t even have strong family ties, children leave home early, sometimes they don’t even have a lot of contact with their parents, there are no extended families such as in Southern Europe or in religious communities.
    – The most you can have in terms of community and cultural cohesion among whites is the traditional European ethnicities/cultures (German, Italian, Polish), but even that is relative as there are important local differences.
    – Reject and exclude degenerates? Are you kidding? There is no group that prizes more experimentation and deviancy than white people. (As with the extreme individualism, this has both negative and positive aspects)
    – Maintain racial purity? Right, tell that to the white women copulating with africans and arabs, and to the white men copulating with asians and latinas, to the long history of centuries of white people importing slaves and others and then mixing with foreign people, from Rome to America.

    I’m starting to think that many white nationalists are dumber than rocks and don’t even understand the first thing about the people they supposedly want to represent, they just nazi-larp about a non-existing community with non-existing values, instead of understanding whites as they really are, and try to think of solutions starting from real life and real issues.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @FvS
  184. @anon

    Equating Christianity and Bolshevism is stretching it, or trying to identify Christianity with Judaism.

    However there is the concept of Christian Socialism:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christian-Socialism

    • Replies: @anon
  185. Franz says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I don’t doubt you. I’ve lived overseas too long to really know. I was just genuinely curious. It seems as if the US is even more far gone than I thought.

    Have your read Linh Dinh’s book, Postcards from the End of America?

    Not a plug. I do not know Mr. Dinh and get no cut on sales. But the subject, pretty much, is what Postcards is all about. “Deaths from hopelessnesss” are common in the area I live in, which in the last couple years includes three cases of people holding the heads to a high speed rail line and letting many tons of choo-choo end it quickly and quite messily for them. I do mean messy, having been dragooned during one shift into helping find the torso because they couldn’t open the line up without at least most of the corpse off railroad property.

    Many whites in the old industrial working class are worse off now than other enthnics. White disdain for people who can’t cut it solo causes immense shame, hence atomization, hence sometimes lots of early death or (worse) pathological behavior.

    Long ago, at least some of the hippies had the right idea with communes. Never caught on. It would be saving lives now if it had.

  186. Dumbo says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Yes, they do, and your own example shows it. First of all Turkey is not Europe, and I’m not sure Malta is either. Second, you can clearly see that in traditional European countries such as Germany, Belgium and the Scandinavian countries, belief in God ranges from 44% (Germany) to 22% (Norway). Which means, a MAJORITY of people there are ATHEISTS, by your own example. DUH.

    (It is also interesting that current atheism basically coincides with Protestantism, while traditional Catholic countries remain more religious, which gives credence to the idea that Protestantism was already a weaker form of Christianity. But there is the counter-example of France with only 27% of believers, but the French were always a strange bunch prone to Revolutions and such.)

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  187. Dumbo says:
    @Republic

    Christianity was incompatible with White Nationalism

    Maybe, but “White Nationalism” is a incompatible with reality, an abstraction that only exists in dreams, and the abject failures of all attempts to create an identity movement out if it are the proof. How many followers did this Mr. Pierce achieve? Which was his influence in “white culture”? Basically nil, zero. And that’s because people can see value in a religion or other forms of transcendental thought, but “being white” is not enough to mobilize people for anything. (Being Irish, German, English, Italian, etc, is the only possible way for “white nationalism”, but even that is limited, you also need the transcendental element or it becomes something just as superficial as cheering for your team on a football match).

  188. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > it is not the worship of a person of any nationality or ethnicity.

    Then why do Gentiles have to send the Jews their money according to the Jew Testament? “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” (Romans 15:27)

    Heh, right there is America’s foreign policy spelled out word-for-word.

    Why can’t the White man provide his own “spiritual blessings” from within his own nation, and thus avoid being indebted to the Jews for theirs’?

  189. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Jew Testament says otherwise, quite specifically, “We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” Why can’t salvation for White folks be a DIY home-brewed project, from the Whites themselves? Whites made it to the moon, for heavens’ sake, and a salvation plan seems simple in comparison.

  190. @anon

    …because all these other Christians haven’t yet learned the “one neat trick” to become a Certified Stamped Approved Bona Fide Authentic Real True Believer.

    There is, indeed, a “Certified Stamped Approved Bona Fide Authentic Real” Christian Church. Just because you want to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the truth doesn’t mean the truth doesn’t exist.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @RadicalCenter
  191. Robjil says:
    @mcohen

    I got what I saying about Purim being related to all those big events from Jewish sites.

    They often brag about Purim connections to big world events.

    Purim mania shows up in many ways in the J world. Even Mush, an Israeli sex ring leader, used the word Purim for his app that Israelis used to get young girls in Colombia.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/child-sex-slave-ring-run-by-former-israeli-soldier-assi-ben-mush-dismantled-in-colombia/252820/

    The underage girls were said to have received between 200,000 and 400,000 Colombian pesos (~$63 and $126) for each encounter with the Israeli men traveling abroad. In addition, the girls were forced to be part of a WhatsApp group called “Purim” – an apparent reference to the Jewish holiday – where they were pressured and intimidated as well as summoned to areas frequented by Israeli tourists.

  192. Moi says:
    @G. Poulin

    Jesus was a Jew. End of discussion.

    Ergo, so-called Christianity is a made-up religion (by Mr. Paul/Saul) and has nothing to do with the preaching of Yeshua.

  193. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous coward

    By what method does one detect a Certified Stamped Approved Bona Fide Authentic Real Christian Church? Your seal of personal approval? Do tell!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  194. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Trying to identify Christianity with Judaism is a stretch? Who else celebrates Passover but Jews, hmm? “Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.” (1 Cor. 5:7)

    “Inside every Christian is a Jew.” -The Pope

  195. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @G. Poulin

    > was into conversing with lunatics.

    I wouldn’t talk to Jesus either, because, “When his family heard what he was up to, they hoped to take custody of Jesus because they thought he was insane.” (Mark 3:21) Gotta love it when you halfwit Jew-worshipers step on your own mutilated dicks.

  196. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    I can’t really answer about US as I haven’t visited there lately but the situation with poverty seems to have been getting worse. I did see the homeless living on the street there IRL even a few decades ago but very few compared to what I see on you tube nowadays. Also, considering with so many empty houses and bank repossessions of homes surely there is no shortage of housing. You yourself pointed out that there was empty housing in Detroit, but then the poor want to be where the money is so when they crawl out of the sewers they can panhandle among the rich, and Las Vegas would be ideal for them with the all the tourists and gamblers.

    In an earlier comment you mentioned that in US you’re expected to leave home and become independent fairly young, like in your early twenties, and I meant to reply that that too could be a problem. As you’re aware, in Asia it is no shame to live with one’s parents and grandparents, and the family is far more cohesive and makes up for the absence of state welfare. I myself am fiercely individualist but I can see the value of the Asian family way of living and am concerned about the spreading of western values and mores in Asia as eventually they’ll lose a lot of the positive aspects of their society. On the other hand, there’s certainly abuse in some Asian families and exploitation of children among the poor in order to provide for the family.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  197. @mutthead52

    The Middle East import, Christianity has run its course, and like the Colorado River between Calipornyeah and Arizona, it’s got nothing left at the end. Like an engine with not enough horsepower and a transmission that just won’t pull the load. If some of you still want to ride that train, then at least jump on the only one left that bears a resemblance to the Original Church, and whose name says it does not warp or mutate into a disease pathogen. That would exclusively be the Eastern Orthodox Churches, who straddle the West and the East.

    Best of luck. I have moved to the Teachings of The Buddha. I can see and formulate scenarios, sequences, and actions toward White Nationalism (should be a neutral emotive word) and independent ethnic republics, but it does not include Christianity, any more than a fouled bottom of a ship or any vessel would desire such parasitic drag.

    Christianity now is an idiosyncratic belief for individuals. At best it is harmless. That is in the minority of its existence.

  198. @Moi

    Moi,and anon (339)

    Douglas Reed in The Controversy of Zion presents three good reasons why Jesus was not a Jew: 1) he was not of his earthly father, 2) he was a Nazareen, hence a Galilean and not a Judean, 3) his religion was opposite of that of the Pharasees of his time or the Jews of today and adversarial to them.

    Reed says this of those who claim that Jesus was a Jew:

    This public assertion, “Jesus was a Jew”, is always used in our century for political purposes. It is often employed to quell objections to the Zionist influence in international politics or to the Zionist invasion of Palestine, the suggestion being that, as Jesus was a Jew, none ought to object to anything purporting to be done in the name of Jews. The irrelevance is obvious, but mobs are moved by such phrases, and the paradoxical result, once again, is that a statement, most offensive to literal Jews, is most frequently made by non-Jewish politicians and ecclesiastics who seek Jewish favour.

    I’m not saying I completely agree with Reed, or that you are one of those he describes in this quote, but anyway, just you know what someone who researched the subject extensively and in depth had to say.

    • Replies: @anon
  199. @G

    The same thing recently happened to Iceland when they proposed banning forced male genital cutting (MGC). Worldwide Jewry came down on them like a ton of bricks, and, for the first time, an Orthodox rabbi was sent there to ensure that circumcision would continue uninterrupted in their small Jewish comunity. Facing economic sanctions, Iceland has shelved its proposal.

    Following WWII, the only Western country to adopt MGC on a massive scale was the US, where, at one point, the rate was 90%, and circumcisions were ruitinely done without obtaining parental permission. For whatever reasons, Euro countries, in general, never fell for the con. As routine ‘medical’ circumcision is a uniquely American phenomenon, this country is either enilghtened or stupid. I vote for the latter.

    For those interested, there are two books by Jewish writers that opened my eyes to the horror: Ronald Goldman’s “The Hidden Trauma,” and Leonard Glick’s “Marked in Your Flesh.”

  200. @anon

    Are you SURE that white men went to the moon 50 years ago? If so, why can’t this country do it again?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  201. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    • Premise 1 (stipulating your premise): Jesus wasn’t a Jew.
    • Premise 2: ‘Salvation is from the Jews.’ (John 4:22)
    • Conclusion: Salvation is not from Jesus.

    So what good is following this foreign, non-white, non-European, middle-eastern character Jesus?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  202. Dumbo says:
    @anon

    Because whites (from Roman) prefer to get their religions already made.
    Because middle-eastern people seem to have more talent for creating religion and ideologies (whites are better at developing endless variants of them and in creating Art based on religion and ideologies and myths, though).
    Because a “plan of salvation” is not, and cannot be, created artificially by men.
    Because whites have never made it to the moon, it’s probably just another lie.
    Because you’re an annoying fool, repeating always the same thing like a parrot.

  203. Che Guava says:
    @G

    It is rubbish. I used to think that fusion for energy, rather than making things just go ’bang’ in a big way, was a promising idea.

    All that this new facility in France will report is that ’we have succeeded in making a fusion reaction, but the energy input is far higher than the output’ or ’we have had to shut down under constant assault from Afrhcan and Moslem “French” “people”’.

    Same as earlier efforts (except that engineers and scientists in the old USSR seemed to have some idea of the way ahead, which is not the case now).

    The latter threat also was not present.

  204. @anon

    What color is salvation?

    • Replies: @anon
  205. Dumbo: “… you can clearly see that in traditional European countries such as Germany, Belgium and the Scandinavian countries, belief in God ranges from 44% (Germany) to 22% (Norway). Which means, a MAJORITY of people there are ATHEISTS, by your own example. DUH. ”

    Far be it from me to criticize the reasoning ability of anyone who is wise enough to give himself the name Dumbo, but your original statement was that “… most Europeans consider themselves atheists …”, which is clearly wrong. If, instead of telling a lie, you had confined yourself to saying most Europeans aren’t Christians, maybe you’d be able to make a better case.

    Apologists for Christianity often try the gambit of tying that religion’s ostensible decline in Europe to the influx of immigrants. But if atheism is the cause, how do you explain China, which has the world’s highest rate of atheism, but no immigration problems at all?

    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/china-and-europe-stand-out-on-world-map-of-atheism

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  206. @Excal

    Very well said.

    Five exemplar socialist cities:

    Los Angeles
    San Francisco
    Baltimore
    Detroit
    Portland

  207. PeterMX says:

    The west may be constantly discussing its impending demise but unfortunately it completely ignores its demise. Its frightful ending occurred 75 years ago, as frightful and deadly as anything in the bible or any other book and it changed the world forever, with the world’s leading nations, and in particular its leading nation of all nations completely submerged in death and destruction which the bible’s description doesn’t do justice to. That was Germany’s ending in 1944-45 when between 14 and 20 million Germans fled what had been Germany’s east and flooded into its west, while virtually all of its cities (particularly in the west, to target those fleeing) were undergoing a relentless bombing by its enemies which would leave several cities completely burned to the ground and the others almost so, completely decimated. As bad as Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, or Poland or the USSR, nothing compares to what happened to Germany and it is almost never discussed. In fact, in most descriptions of the time it’s ignored or completely denied and in fact for most of the past 75 years you would be called a liar or worse for accurately describing the destruction of Germany, and still are today by the people that the world was told for decades were made into soap and lampshades and had millions of their people killed by gassing or burned alive (like the Germans that were really burned alive, hundreds of thousands in a matter of hours, in cities like Dresden, Hamburg and Heilbronn).

    Possibly, in part to cover up what actually happened, the world was told several times a day, every day, for many years of the four million people that underwent such horrors and much worse at Auschwitz, only to have the sign claiming four million were murdered there torn down and replaced one day in the early 1990’s with a new sign claiming 1.5 million had actually been murdered, then lowered again to 1.1 million murdered, and with some historians (at risk of imprisonment) saying perhaps 150,000 people died there, but not murdered, but rather died of disease. All of the other “death camps” have also had their histories completely altered so that now the believers have had to admit they don’t know really where the Jews were killed and have speculated it might have been here or there. But we know where the Germans were murdered and we have endless hours of film of those that met their end thru bombing, but not the millions of others that were tortured or murdered, of which when someone writes a book about it (James Bacque, Other Losses), he’s denounced.

    It might be a ridiculous question to ask why the perpetrators of these crimes don’t want to research or talk about such atrocities, just as there would not have been any Nuremburg Trials if Germany had emerged the victor, but everything about the war is covered up to protect a false narrative and justify what was done. Some historians (real historians that present the truth to the reader, such as David Irving and Patrick Buchanan) have said Great Britain would still be a leading world power today if Churchill had not deliberately provoked war and rejected Germany’s offer of peace (more so Irving than Buchanan going into such detail), but instead this is ignored, as is Britain’s demise, while people I meet from Belarus, Ukraine and Russia imagine Great Britain still has the biggest economy in Europe today (it was surpassed by West Germany in the 1950’s already).

    Amid all the lies and obfuscation, Europe (and maybe particularly so with Germany), these countries and their peoples are deliberately driven to destruction at “full throttle” according to one description and there is no honest assessment as to how the continent that lead the world for 500 years, and according to many people for 2,000 years or longer, could almost disappear from the competition almost overnight and never recover. To some, the greatness now attributed to the Jews (previously attributed to Nordics to many Jews annoyance) which became fashionable after the war might suggest the explanation. Exaggerating Jews contributions to science (who only became a factor in the late 19th, early 20th century) helps explain Europe’s demise to some while the real factors, deliberate policies to make Europe less competitive, are ignored. This is how the people that lead the world for most of its history are now completely absent from such things as math competitions, now dominated by Chinese and others.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  208. @Moi

    Samuel Johnson wrote Hamlet, which has nothing to do with the thoughts and poetry of Shakespeare.

    • Replies: @Moi
  209. @anon

    Singular vs plural–we have already covered that.

    I in-source salvation to Christ who dwells within me, by God’s living Spirit, through the mercy of God the Father.

    What could be more local than one’s own soul?

    Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. Rev 3:20 NKJV

    • Replies: @anon
  210. Adûnâi says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    To be fifty and essentially become a parent again because your 20 year old daughter is a slut who cannot go on the pill is really a downer. I personally would not do it. I’d tell my daughter it was her problem if she were legally old enough.

    This right here is the reason the US has gone down the shitter – valuing the fat lifestyle over the future of your bloodline. Is this a new attitude? Because at least in Germany, Himmler used to build shelters for single mothers.

    • Agree: Thea
  211. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > I in-source salvation to Christ

    The Jew Testament out-sources Salvation to the Jews. “Salvation is from the Jews.” That is a direct quotation. You keep dancing around what it says, and it isn’t working. Even if you ignore that, guess what Christ is? “Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.” Who else celebrates Passover but Jews and pathetic wannabee-Jews, whose identity is more confused than Elizabeth Warren’s? Maybe you’re 1/1024 Jew or something?

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  212. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    What color is Jewish storytelling about a make-believe subject?

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  213. @anon

    Red, the color of Christ’s blood.

    • Replies: @anon
  214. @anon

    I am not a bible thumper or theologian, but quoting excerpts from the bible out of context and making sweeping statements based on a quote or two proves nothing. You are well aware that many biblical statements appear contradictory and not straightforward but are meant to be thought provoking. Jesus even self-identified as a Jew to the Samaritan woman yet earlier, when he asked for a drink of water, it is clear that he is not a Jew, or at least a Jew of the type she expected him to be. And didn’t he confuse his own followers when he told the Pharasees to destroy the temple and that he’d rebuild it in three days? But it is explained in the bible what he meant by the temple, and it wasn’t the Jewish one, or a temple of stone and mortar at all? Also he doesn’t contradict those who refer to him as a Rabbi, but again is it a Rabbi as is commonly understood? So when Jesus told the Samaritan woman that he was a Jew he may have done it for a specific reason and meant something completely different than a common person would understand by that term.

    We get many accusing Protestantism of being responsible for the dominance of Christian Zionists in US politics but if you read what Martin Luther had to say about the Jews how can you make such claims? I don’t mean you personally but just to illustrate how senseless people can be when interpreting religion and its social consequences, and also how senseless some followers of religion can be. Would Martin Luther himself approve of some of his followers today and what they do?

    I take religion as a personal matter. I don’t see what has been going on in Europe recently as due to Christianity, although loss of faith could explain a lot.

    • Replies: @anon
  215. Moi says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    B- for good effort at trying to make a point.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  216. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    I hear vampires die of they don’t drink blood, but I don’t have a vampire fetish like you Jew-worshipers, nor do I have fantasies of living forever. “He who eats from my body and drinks from my blood has life that is everlasting…My blood is real drink!” (((John 6:54,55))) You Jew-worshipers are goddam perverts.

  217. @anon

    There is another sense in which salvation comes from the Jews,
    besides the kingly line of David which brought forth the Messiah, Christ.

    The Jewish people produced the prophets who foretold the coming of Messiah, who would save people from their sins. These include Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and eight others. Also Moses, the lawgiver, who testified of Christ.

    Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. John 1:45 NKJV

    For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. John 5:46

    Thus the Jewish people furnished the royal and prophetic heritage for the Savior of the world. For this great gift Christians are forever grateful, though only One is worthy of worship, Christ.

    • Replies: @anon
  218. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You are a bible-thumper, because you Jew-worshiping bible-thumpers love to say direct quotes are taken “out of context” when they prove embarrassing. It’s just another of your lame excuses.

    > loss of faith could explain a lot.

    Bullshit. China is majority atheist, and they’re not importing Africans. Jew-worshiping Kike-ianity is the cause, not the cure, of Europe’s demise, because the Jew Testament teaches the creationist bromide that we all bleed red: “He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth.” (Acts 17:26) Chinese don’t believe that creationist crap, they accept evolution, that disproves that Jewish creationist storytelling.

    > is it a Rabbi as is commonly understood

    Jew Testament states specifically that Jewsus was quite a popular Rabbi in Jewish SYNAGOGUES! Go on, tell me the following is “out-of-contest” too! LOL! “He [Jewsus] taught regularly in their SYNAGOGUES and was praised by everyone.” (Luke 4:15) Gonna answer your own question now?

  219. @Moi

    Thank you. A better grade than I got in my Shakespeare class.

  220. Commentator Mike: “I am not a bible thumper or theologian, but quoting excerpts from the bible out of context and making sweeping statements based on a quote or two proves nothing.”

    Dr. Richard Carrier has produced quite a body of scholarship to show that it is very likely that Jesus is a fictional character. If that’s the case, then trying to “prove” anything about what a fictional character said or meant is a surreal exercise. E.g., in the parable of Jack and the beanstalk, did the giant really say “Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman!”, and if so, what did he mean by it? That’s biblical exegesis.

    Commentator Mike: “I don’t see what has been going on in Europe recently as due to Christianity, although loss of faith could explain a lot.”

    If loss of faith explains a lot, then why is it that China and Japan, two of the most atheistic countries in the world, have no immigration problems? Could it be that the problem isn’t too much atheism in Europe, but too little? Europeans may have abandoned the churches, but they still cling to Christianity’s moral framework and delusions regarding universal brotherhood. Until they repudiate that, the problem will continue.

  221. @anon

    Immigration has nothing to do with religion. In fact the more atheistic Europe has become the more immigrants it has been importing. You can plot a time series of the closures of churches in the west versus the number of immigrants and see what you get. When all the churches were open and actively Christian, instead of being converted to mosques or whatever else, I didn’t see as many immigrants on the streets. In fact when whites become all atheists, there’ll be hardly any of them left. But China not accepting immigrants has nothing to do with them being atheists, it’s to do with them being Chinese.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
    , @anon
    , @JP
  222. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I’ve just answered anon. One can be a xenophobe whatever one’s religion or no religion. China and Japan not accepting African immigrants has got nothing to do with their any atheism.

    If you hate Christianity you’re welcome to it but don’t blame it for what it is not responsible for. In the Middle Ages when Europe was Christian it wasn’t importing Moors and Muslims but in fact trying to fight them off.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lost american
  223. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    That’s a whole big bunch of stinking Jews and stinking Jewish subjects that you’re gushing about there, Jew-wannabee. What sort of pathetic cuck wants to identify as a middle-eastern Jewish genital mutilator, anyway? You! “For it is we [Wannabe-Jews] who are the Circumcision.” (Philippians 3:3) You’re a Jew-addled pervert, because Jewish genital mutilation is a perversion of nature.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  224. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You can plot a time series that rising global warming temperatures, use of bicycles-trains-planes-automobiles, and the decline of piracy all correlate to increased migration too. Ned Ludd was right!

    > China not accepting immigrants has nothing to do with them being atheists

    So you just disprove your own hypothesis. What it if has to do with Chinese not being Jew-worshipers? Meanwhile, tell me again that immigration has nothing to do with religion! LOL!!!!

  225. Commentator Mike: “In fact the more atheistic Europe has become the more immigrants it has been importing.”

    Fallacious. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation.

    Commentator Mike: “One can be a xenophobe whatever one’s religion or no religion. China and Japan not accepting African immigrants has got nothing to do with their any atheism.”

    If it has nothing to do with religion or lack of religion, then why are you drawing the correlation? Why say that Europeans fought them off when Christian, unless you are illogically attempting to give credit to Christianity for it? But notice that pre-Christian Europe fought off immigrants too. You’d make just as much sense if you credited belief in Zeus for the pre-Christian resistance.

  226. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > Europeans may have abandoned the churches, but they still cling to Christianity’s moral framework and delusions regarding universal brotherhood.

    You are correct. To strengthen your argument, below are four scholars with their references in agreement with your assessment:

    [MORE]

    [1] “In Western societies, the Judeo-Christian image of humankind—whether you are a believer or not—has secured a minimal moral consensus in everyday life. It has been a major factor in social cohesion. Now that the neurosciences have irrevocably dissolved the Judeo-Christian image of a human being as containing an immortal spark of the divine, we are beginning to realize that they have not substituted anything that could hold society together and provide a common ground for shared moral intuitions and values.” p. 297 –Thomas Metzinger, The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self. (Basic Books, 2009)

    [2] Liberal Creationism
    https://slate.com/technology/2007/11/liberal-creationism.html

    [3] “The liberal belief in the free and sacred nature of each individual is a direct legacy of the traditional Christian belief in the free and eternal souls. Without recourse to eternal souls and a Creator God, it becomes embarrassingly difficult for liberals to explain what is so special about individual Sapiens. […] The idea that all humans are equal is a revamped version of the monotheist conviction that all souls are equal before God.” p. 231 –Yuval Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind. (Harper Collins, 2015)

    [4] As John Gray also notes, liberal humanist values are merely a “hollowed-out version of a theistic myth” (John Gray, 2015.)

  227. @anon

    You may want to see somebody for your J-word fetish complicated by Tourette’s.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Stonehands
  228. @anon

    Bullshit. China is majority atheist, and they’re not importing Africans. Jew-worshiping Kike-ianity is the cause, not the cure, of Europe’s demise, because the Jew Testament teaches the creationist bromide that we all bleed red: “He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth.” (Acts 17:26) Chinese don’t believe that creationist crap, they accept evolution, that disproves that Jewish creationist storytelling.

    I agree with you 100%. The Oligarchs use religion as mind control. In America, there are over 40 million Christian Zionists who worship Jews and Israel.

    But China is not immune. If it worked in America, it will work in China.

    The number of Chinese professing Christianity in 2106 is estimated at more than 70 million. The numbers are rising so dramatically that the spooks at the CIA think China will have the world’s biggest Christian population by 2030.

    And it ain’t the first time (((they))) tried it. Cf. The Taiping Rebellion–the bloodiest war of the 19th century; estimates of the dead from 20–70 million to as high as 100 million!

    • Replies: @MAOWASAYALI
  229. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > In the Middle Ages

    During the middle ages, it was a capital crime to print the Holy Hook. Once it got printed and everybody discovered what was inside it, the Church had to start following more closely what was inside it, and it is a cesspool of Jewish perversion, most notably it’s horseshit creation myth that we all bleed red via one common fictional Jewish storytelling character.

    p.s. You can tell Vox Day to put that in his Middle Ages pipe and smoke it.

    p.p.s. Do a time plot of Gideon Bibles in hotel rooms vs. immigration! 🙂

  230. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > your J-word fetish

    I dare you to go through your Jew Testament with a pen and correct all the instances of the J-WØRD.

    Another observation from your unholy meltdown is that naming the Jew irritates both Jews and you gØdin-damned Jew-worshipers.

  231. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > You can plot a time series

    I can! I did!

    BURN THE HOLY HOOK! HANG ALL HOLY HOOK PRINTERS!

    p.s. It’s only in keeping with Vox Day’s (1) denunciation of free speech rights and (2) glorification of the Middle Ages in which it was a capital crime to print, own, or even read a Buybull. (a little birdie tells me you’ve been reading him)

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  232. Truth says:
    @Dumbo

    …Have you met my buddy Thomm yet?

  233. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Alright buddy, the correlation of Bible printing and societal breakdown is proven, and if you have an English version of the Bible, it’s the William Tyndale cure for your sins!

    William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. He loaded our language with more phrases than any other writer before or since
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10096770/Melvyn-Bragg-on-William-Tyndale-his-genius-matched-that-of-Shakespeare.html

    And if we find your allegedly sweet grandma tried to hide that Holy Hook she keeps on the coffee table, we’re gonna light her ass up too with the torch of Christendom’s Middle Ages justice! DEUS VULT! STEP AWAY FROM THAT HOLY HOOK! NOW! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING!

    p.s. Sunday School version:
    Oh be careful little eyes what you read, oh be careful little eyes what you read!
    For the Vader up above is looking down in love, oh be careful little eyes what you read!

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Bliss
  234. @anon

    That probably correlates well with the publication/download of Anton La Vey’s Satanic Bible, first published in 1969, just before that upswing in immigration. You and Dr. Morgan started trying to find causation where I didn’t think there was one, and I just countered with an observation about churches in western Europe. Yes, I know about this Pope, who doesn’t? That would be like me urging Europeans to convert to Buddhism because of:

    • Replies: @anon
  235. @anon

    Most people were illiterate at the time anyway, and you’re twisting the truth about why William Tyndale was executed, which was a result of an internal struggle within Christianity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale

    Since you hate Christianity what do you care about Tyndale? You’d have been that lone incognito heathen pagan pretend Christian in the mob cheering for the wrong, or is it right, reason?

    • Replies: @anon
  236. Commentator Mike: “You and Dr. Morgan started trying to find causation where I didn’t think there was one, and I just countered with an observation about churches in western Europe. ”

    Nice try at weaseling out of your untenable position, but I haven’t said atheism causes opposition to immigration, though I do think atheism fosters a more scientific attitude about racial matters. For example, Hitler was anti-Christian, as shown by his comments in Table Talk, and thus he wasn’t blinded by Christian nonsense about universal brotherhood. Do you think that Europe would be letting in hordes of negroes if Germany had won the war?

    You have tried to insinuate that a rise in atheism in Europe played a role in its willingness to let in immigrants, which is contradicted by the example of China and Japan, the most atheistic countries in the world, and also among the most exclusionary. Confronted with that fact, you abruptly reverse course and illogically assert that, in those cases, it has nothing to do with atheism. So, you are actually the one asserting a causal relation here, not me. You’re saying atheism somehow causes an immigration problem in Europe, but not in China or Japan. You’ve yet to explain this.

    You’ve suggested too that in previous centuries, the fact that a Christian Europe repelled invasions by non-whites somehow proves Christianity’s worth. How so? Why credit belief in Christ for victory over the Moors any more than belief in Zeus for the Greek victory over the Persians?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  237. @SeekerofthePresence

    Hello SotP….

    Just bang the dust off your sandals and move on.
    The Word of God is foolishness to the
    natural man.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @SeekerofthePresence
  238. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > you’re twisting the truth about why William Tyndale was executed

    You can’t handle the truth. Your own source states:

    “He also rejected the Roman Catholic view that the Scriptures could only be read and interpreted by approved clergy”

    You touch that Bible again, boy, and you’re gonna burn like a the Jewbook-reading faggot you are! DEUS VULT!

    p.s. please oh please try to sugar coat why John Wycliffe’s works, such as De veritate sacrae scripturae (On the Truthfulness of Holy Scripture, 1378) were burned by Middle Ages Chrisendom! Holy Scripture is society-destroying Jewcrap! DEUS VULT!

  239. @NightWriter

    Out-populating the other side was the strategic advantage that more or less forced the British colonies to occupy the US. The strategic advantage won every war from the French and Indian war to the annexation of Hawaii.

    And now the descendants of the population that established itself through population growth have let themselves by maneuvered into playing the losigng side: having very few kids “so that they can live a better life”. Funny how things go.

    Counterinsurgency

  240. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > That probably correlates

    Thanks for the assist, Mike. Printing Bibles of any kind lead to social breakdown. Burning heretics who dare print that filthy books called the Bible is the only path to a perfect Middle Ages Christendom. We will root out that heresy of Bible-reading out of you, if we have to poke out your eyes. DEUS VULT!

    And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    Ooops, had to cross that out! It’s so easy to slip back into quoting that Buybull Bullshit that no eye but the specially trained and celibate clergy should ever see, read, or even know exists. And since you do know it exists, poking out your eyes is insufficient. The Holy Middle Ages Inquisition of Christendom has determined you will receive a frontal lobotomy to excise the forbidden Jew Testament verses you’ve read from your mind. DEUS VULT!

  241. @Commentator Mike

    MIKE

    Picture a climate like the Orkney Islands (Or colder) and crime like Haiti. Then ask yourself who would move to a city like Detroit, St. Louis.

    The biggest problem for poor whites in America is that they don’t have the money to get away from other races.

    One guy named Clinton I knew in the Philippines told me about his brief spell in a homeless shelter-a large, nude black man walked over to his cot completely naked and jerked off on his head while he lay there.

    For whites, being homeless is dangerous.

  242. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    No I never implied causation in any of that, just countering you and anon with examples showing that you two are drawing wrong conclusions. And sod Hitler, if Stalin had conquered all of Europe there wouldn’t now be an invasion of Africans and Arabs either. And he was anti-Christian too like Hitler. But Hitler may have allowed loads of Indians in, his “Aryan” brothers he was already recruiting

  243. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stonehands

    Oh no, nature bad! Apparently, only an un-natural tranny (transformed) man can swallow your Holy Hook filth from Jewish authors. “Be ye tranny-formed!” (Romans 12:2) So how un-natural are you, faggot? Completely?

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  244. Dumbo says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    most Europeans consider themselves atheists …”, which is clearly wrong. If, instead of telling a lie, you had confined yourself to saying most Europeans aren’t Christians

    Maybe I need to explain it to you with some basic math… Let me see… 44% of people in Germany, 22% in Norway and 17% in the Czech Republic “believe there is a God”… Which means that respectively, 56%, 78% and 83% DO NOT believe that there is a God, which is the textbook definition of atheism (I disregard the answers about “life force”, as it could mean anything). Of course the level is not the same in all countries, but I never said that…

    Also there is a degree of atheism, I would say most Europeans would be “passive atheists” and not active, which means that they may even have a religious background but don’t go to Church, don’t pray, don’t follow any religious code and in practice think of the world as merely material, etc, so in practice they are no much different than a militant atheist.

    Also, I didn’t say that the relation of atheism and immigration is necessarily one of causation, it’s more complex than that. It’s more likely that both things come from the same source, a growing lack of confidence by European peoples in their own civilization and traditions, which the Chinese do not lack (also I doubt that they are really “atheist”, they are just not Christian, but they believe in a lot of spirits, ghosts, demons, etc…)

    Atheism is, however, directly correlated to Europeans having less children, which is also partially correlated with immigration (If I don’t have children, then I care less about the future, then I care less about replacement by immigration, etc.) So in this sense, yes, there is a causation element. Religious people tend to have much more children, even in European countries.

    • Replies: @anon
  245. Dumbo says:

    I’m not very religious, but maybe it’s not Europeans that abandoned God, maybe it’s God that abandoned Europeans… If they prefer to worship gays and Mother Nature or whatever, it’s their problem… What is happening in a sense is a reversion to paganism, so anti-Christians should be happy with the way things are going… Many ancient peoples also liked homosexuality, animal and human sacrifice, etc, so they are at home with current thinking…

    Incidentally I do like some pagan elements, many of which still remain in the culture at large, but there is a reason why paganism ended. For instance if you read the sagas you’ll see that there were unending feuds, which only Christianity managed to put an end to, as well as other negative elements that were there.

    Anyway I like Lihn Dihn, but he kinda jumped the shark on this one. It’s not one of his most profound essays, I have to say.

    Or maybe it’s UNZ that jumped the shark with all the nazi-larping. Nazis lost the war, get over it… Also it was not a “white movement”, it was a German expansionist movement. Many other European countries were not so happy to be occupied… Eastern Europeans are not very fond of Nazis and how they were treated during the war. And even in Western European countries, being occupied by Nazis was not ideal either, just as it wasn’t great to be occupied by Napoleonic France or by any other more powerful foreign country.

    As for Stalin, ironically, Communism sucked, but it ended up limiting immigration. Former communist or Soviet-occupied countries have less immigrants (and less desire to have them), than in “liberated” Western ones… They are less pro-homo too…

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  246. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    You’re wrong.

    According to a 2010 Eurostat Eurobarometer Poll, 51% of European Union citizens responded that “they believe there is a God”…
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe

    Literacy and Printing of Bibles is the phenomenon that correlates with degeneracy and immigration. Middle Ages Christendom knew well that people had to be kept utterly stupid, especially about that Jewish-authored Holy Hook. Anybody printing, owning, or even reading the Holy Hook should be burned at the stake just like William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Jewbook into English. DEUS VULT!

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  247. @anon

    YOU get what we currently have, which is a bunch of amoral faggots, existing solely to pursue their own pleasure. Might work for you, but on societal level your pig- mouth atheism is worse than Islam.

    • Replies: @anon
  248. Commentator Mike: “No I never implied causation in any of that …”

    What rubbish. of course you did. If you want to back away from it now and say that Christianity wasn’t responsible for the defense of Europe, and that a rise in atheism has nothing to do with the immigration problem, then you’re agreeing with me and reversing your initial statement that “a loss of faith could explain a lot”. What does it explain? In light of the fact that the nations with the highest levels of atheism have some of the most exclusionary immigration practices, it explains nothing.

    Commentator Mike: “But Hitler may have allowed loads of Indians in, his “Aryan” brothers he was already recruiting”

    War, like politics, makes strange bedfellows. Hitler didn’t take his Indian “allies” very seriously. He says, for example, “If we took India, the Indians would certainly not be enthusiastic, and they’d not be slow to regret the good old days of English rule!” (Table Talk, p. 199), and “The Indians can think themselves lucky that we do not rule India. We should make their lives a misery!” (Table Talk, p. 662).

  249. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    > prefer to worship gays

    Who else but pederastic faggot Jewish Rabbi would have a young boy-toy lover snuggled in his “bosom?”

    Why else do you think Rabbi Jewsus banned normal male-female relations in his perverted paradise, in favor of angelic androgyny (Matt. 22:30) and wanted other men to castrate themselves (Matt. 19:12) in order to become his bride?

    > Many ancient peoples also liked homosexuality

    Especially the priestcraft of Jewsus, still famous today for abusing young boys. Why do you think Jew-worshipers call their schools of priestcraftery a SEMEN·ary?

    > unending feuds, which only Christianity managed to put an end to

    Are you trying your hand at being a comedian? Or just not familiar with the Northern Crusades, the Thirty Years’ War, The Troubles, or even the Bible account of endless Christian feuding? “But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.” (Galatians 2:11) Fact is, you Jew-worshipers are always condemning other Jew-worshipers for not worshiping the Jews quite right, and slaughering each other throughout the history of Christianity.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  250. “a loss of faith could explain a lot”. What does it explain?

    As far as Europeans go it means that they’re less prepared to defend their own from the new onslaught of Islam unlike their predecessors who felt they had something to fight for. For the Chinese it doesn’t matter much either way, and if Europeans were more like the Chinese it wouldn’t matter either. But the non-Christian Europeans mostly aren’t militant atheists because if they were they would oppose all religions including the Islam spreading on their continent. I don’t think religion should matter when it comes to opposing immigration, you’re simply defending your own everything from others who would encroach on it and deprive you of it, but then not everyone thinks that way, and if it helps that they also have a religion to defend from those invading them so much the better for them.

    Yes I know Hitler couldn’t quite deploy the SS Hindustanis in any meaningful way because they were useless.

  251. @anon

    A better analogy would have been to MGTOW than your perverse interpretation. Anyway, it’s pointless debating with those who treat it like a spitting contest.

    • Replies: @anon
  252. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stonehands

    You deprecate natural men, then you complain when they act un-natural. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. Which way is it?

    And I am most certainly not an atheist. Methinks you are projecting, since your Jew-worship was long considered atheism by ancient Europeans.

    “…the persecutors of the Christians coined a new word to describe those who denied the very existence of the old gods and goddesses—the Christians were condemned as ‘atheists.’ Christian atheism excited rumor….”

    Jonathan Kirsch (2004) God Against The Gods: The History of the War Between Monotheism and Polytheism. p. 109.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  253. Dumbo says:
    @anon

    Are you retarded? I think I’ve already explained that to “Dr.” Morgan and have no need of repeating myself.

    Gee, 51% that’s a HUUGE difference. And that includes Muslims. And other non-Europeans. So even if it’s “only”49% of atheists that doesn’t change the main point. Also, in Nordic countries specifically atheists are a large majority, or do you deny that too?

    Honestly, I don’t care one way or another, but if you’re representative of “current white nationalist thought”, then that explains why they are outsmarted by Jews (heck, even by Chinese and Indians and Africans) and they fail again and again and again.

    Go live in an island and fund your own cult and see how far that takes you, retard.

    • Replies: @anon
  254. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    > all the nazi-larping. Nazis lost the war, get over it

    Same counsel could be said about Christianity. By golly, you’re just Christ-larping. You lost the war, in a long line of wars Whites lost. White Pagans are losers. White Romans are losers. White Nazis are losers. White Christians are losers. White Detroiters are losers. White Swedes are losers. White Trump-voters are losers. White Men are losers. Whites in general are losers. Accept that you’re a loser, loser. And now here’s the best part, loser, your very own advice: “GET OVER IT.”

    Well, are you over it yet? If now, how long does it take to get over it?

  255. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > A better analogy would have been to MGTOW

    Varg has already said it, but thanks for confirming that Christianity is opposed to virile European men who marry and have families.

  256. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Look at the statistics. Europe (EU27) is only 7% atheist. Not even double digit, much less half like you’re trying to exaggerate.

    And the country with the highest rate of atheism, the Czech Republic, led by a probable atheist, says this:

    Migrants to Europe ‘need to go home’, says Czech prime minister
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/25/europe-migrants-need-to-go-home-says-czech-prime-minister

    Your hypothesis that Christianity is necessary to repel immigration has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Fact is, Christianity invites immigration, because White Christians consider Black Christians their “brother,” but do not consider White non-believers as their brother.

  257. Although I appreciate Mr. Dinh’s articles, his perspective on Christianity is wrong. Catholicism’s most basic tenet is to love God, and then thy neighbor as thyself, a corollary is to love thy enemy. With respect to relationships with government and the issue of immigration, Jesus said “render unto Caesar what is Caesars.” You can’t hold distortions or perversions of these tenets against Christian teaching. Recall also that Jesus proclaimed that he was not here to bring peace, but rather “division”, fully understanding the eternal conflict between the earthly world and the Christian world.

    It is for these reasons that Christians will/should reach out to those in need. The problem confronting Christians is that these principles may put the whole religion in grave jeopardy. The US Conference of Bishops recognizes the right of nations to territorial integrity.

    • Replies: @anon
  258. @anon

    And do you think that Latvia, with only 3% atheists is more pro immigrant than the 20% atheist Czech? Honestly …. And do you think those 95% of the UK are all some strong believers? Or maybe with many agnostics, freethinkers, or just don’t know don’t care types?

    • Replies: @anon
  259. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > strong believers

    Besides getting your numbers all wrong, your logical fallacy is advancing the false equivalency that strong Christian belief is anti-immigration. You couldn’t be more wrong. “Refuges Welcome” is a Christian dogma. Europe wouldn’t have Jesus except Europe got snookered into letting in Refugee Jewsus. Cuckianity doesn’t believe in stranger danger.

    I was a stranger and you invited me in. —Matthew 25:35

    See any atheists here? Oh right, the refugee welcomers are all STRONG BELIEVERS!

  260. Thea says:
    @DB Cooper

    Not at all. Plutarch and the Iliad were still part of a Western education until the 1970s. European Christianity is distinctly European.

  261. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas Moore

    > these principles may put the whole religion in grave jeopardy

    May? lol! Already happened! Reminds me of Anton Chigurh’s line, “All right. Let me ask you something. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?” (No Country for Old Men, 2007)

    > The US Conference of Bishops recognizes the right of nations to territorial integrity.

    Bullshit. Pure window dressing if they said it. Here’s how they really think:

    “This image cries to heaven for justice. This image silences politics.”

    U.S. Bishops’ President and Committee Chairman Say Horrific Death of Father and Daughter at Border and Appalling Conditions for Children are Cries that Reach Heaven Itself, June 26, 2019
    http://www.usccb.org/news/2019/19-125.cfm

  262. Commentator Mike: “As far as Europeans go [loss of faith] means that they’re less prepared to defend their own from the new onslaught of Islam unlike their predecessors who felt they had something to fight for.”

    That doesn’t make much sense. Everyone always has something to lose from a takeover, and certainly material wealth is vastly greater in the modern world, so if anything, white people today ought to fight harder. But I think the answer is as I suggested in the other thread. It lies in the Borg-like growth of technological civilization, and the atomization it brings as a side-effect, which makes resistance to this trend very difficult if not impossible. As you noted previously, whites, especially on the political right, are very proud of that civilization and reluctant to blame it for anything. Even if they realize, on a subconscious level, that there’s a problem, they’re confident that technological civilization will have a solution for that too. In this way, welcoming immigrants is an expression of the white man’s civilizational confidence. He thinks that civilization will eventually de-racinate the immigrants just as it has de-racinated him. I see a collective white understanding that mixing populations is an unavoidable part of establishing a world empire.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Commentator Mike
  263. @anon

    The cited statistics are misleading. The real religion of European and American elites, and the official religion of the dominant institutions of the West, is secular humanist progressivist materialism. For a critique, see: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/28/arrf/

    Blaming Christianity for Europe’s problems is absurd. Virtually nobody in Europe goes to church, thinks about God, follows religious precepts, or is the slightest bit traditionally religious. On the contrary, the most basic problem (demographic collapse) stems from the collapse of religion. Pat Buchanan in The Death of the West correctly observes that the decline of traditional religion tracks very closely with declining birth rates. Why? Because having children is an act of faith. It requires sacrificing one’s ego in service to the Other. That is what real, traditional, spiritual religion teaches. (God is the ultimate Other.) Creating a stable, reasonably happy family capable of raising children who themselves will want to do the same thing requires a massive sacrifice of one’s own opportunities for pleasure and freedom. Sensible materialist atheists have no good reason to make such sacrifices.

    “Spiritualized altruism” fostered by religion is what holds complex societies together. The West is dying precisely because it abandoned traditional religion. Go back and read your Buchanan.

  264. Dumbo: “Which means that respectively, 56%, 78% and 83% DO NOT believe that there is a God, which is the textbook definition of atheism (I disregard the answers about “life force”, as it could mean anything)”

    You’re also disregarding the first rule of holes, which is when you’re in one, quit digging.

    You can disregard anything you like, but your claim was that the most Europeans consider themselves atheists, not that you consider them atheists. Clearly, you were exaggerating for rhetorical effect, or to put it plainly, lying. In Europe, only a minority claim atheism as their worldview.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  265. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    The West’s secular humanism is the retention Christian Creationism values minus the more embarrassing of the magical miracles. I’ve already provided in comment #228 several references of recognized scholars who acknowledge such; my favorite being John Gray, who states that liberal humanist values are merely a “hollowed-out version of a theistic myth.”

    Don’t feel too bad if John Gray’s statement troubles you, it makes the secular humanists and atheists go crazy too. The West’s believers and non-believers are much more alike that what they’ll admit; both remain philosophically creationist instead of accepting the harsh facts of evolutionary science.

    • Replies: @Talha
  266. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > It lies in the Borg-like growth of technological civilization

    I completely agree that technology drives moral behavior more than belief. The bicycle had more to do with ruining womens’ behavior than anything in the religious realm.

    The debate over women and bicycling was fierce between women striving for social independence and those who viewed that same independence as a threat to the morals of Christian society.

    The Importance of the Bicycle to the Early Womens Liberation Movement
    crankedmag, page 24, Issue #4
    https://crankedmag.wordpress.com/issues/issue-4/the-importance-of-the-bicycle-to-the-early-womens-liberation-movement/

    Getting rid of wheeled transportation and going back to walking would make women behave in ways religious pressure never will. Plus there would be no flood of refugees. Nuke the refineries! lol

    > they’re confident that technological civilization will have a solution for that too

    True; however, if you even slightly critique industrial civilization, upon which humans have become totally dependent for life, you’re painted as another Unibomber advocating mass murder!!! 🙂

  267. FvS says:
    @Dumbo

    The white values I presented were the norm throughout our history pre-1950s or so. You seem to think that the modern white man is our true nature. I disagree. The modern white man has been brainwashed by the Jewish controlled soft power centers of the country and by a hostile power elite. However, whites everywhere are waking up from the long sleep. White nationalism is on the rise and cannot be stopped.

  268. @Stonehands

    Thanks for your encouragement.
    Am taking your counsel to heart.
    Though might have to get new sandals, since the old ones are now covered with I don’t what.

    One hopes UR will not turn into a mud-wrestling contest.
    Let saner minds prevail.

  269. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    > (demographic collapse) stems from the collapse of religion

    Let’s put your opinion next to some facts: China is officially atheist, half the population convinced atheists, and has a population growth of 0.6%. In contrast, Russia is half Christian, and has a population growth of 0.1%, which is a fraction of the population growth under the atheistic Soviet government. Using your simplistic line of reasoning, one may conclude that in Russia, demographic collapse stems from the collapse of Soviet atheism.

    Also, South Korea’s declining birth rate is accompanied by a huge increase in Christianity.

    1960 2% Christian, Birth Rate 6.10/woman
    2016 30% Christian, Birth Rate 1.17/woman

    Demographic collapse is more complex and includes more factors than you’re admitting.

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  270. Talha says:
    @anon

    OK – so Christianity is out, secular humanism is out, atheism itself is out…so what’s the solution? It’s definitely easy to critique everything under the sun, but what do you suggest for European revival?

    Second question; how successful have you been in convincing others close to you (family, friends, etc.) of your solution?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
  271. ano says:
    @TKK

    After reading it, I wanted to put the end of a shotgun in my mouth.

    Do the world a massive favor, cuntjew, and blow your fucking head off.

  272. anarchyst says:
    @PeterMX

    There was no “holocaust” and I can prove it…

    So if “the holocaust” is thoroughly documented, why do all the documents show that it never happened?

    All of the German camp documents were stored at Bad Aralson since the end of the war.

    The Red Cross/ITS was the agency charged with controlling these records at Bad Aralson.

    In 1985, 40 years after the war, Dr Charles Beiderman was the head of the Red Cross/ITS, Beiderman was called to testify at the Zundel trial for the prosecution. Beiderman testified that QUOTE as of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468.

    [MORE]

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the transfer of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing was noted or recorded about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp deaths total around 731,000-NOT 6 million. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war.

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build camps hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not add up.

    Something BIG stinks in this whole jewish holocaust deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made deals with the German government in order to make life uncomfortable for jewish Germans.

    In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the yellow Star of David armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a homeland along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist dream since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage emigration to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the cream of German society (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish holocaust is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”.

    There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY??

    Because THEY DO NOT EXIST. There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish holocaust has been turned into a de-facto religion in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish holocaust truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment.

    In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the tribe that FEAR the real truth of the jewish holocaust being exposed is evident.

    A questionable dihonest judicial “trick” used in holocaust trials is that of “judicial notice” in which TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE KANGAROO COURTS THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT.

    Judicial notice, once invoked against a defendant, disallows the introduction of evidence that does not conform to “commonly accepted beliefs” about the “holocaust ™”, EVEN IF THE EVIDENCE EXPOSES THE HOLOCAUST LIES AND FABRICATIONS THAT CAN EASILY BE DEBUNKED.

    A question for you holocaust promoters-why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a cash cow that keeps on giving. . . there’s NO business like SHOAH business. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully covered up.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question official jewish holocaust orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the official jewish holocaust story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to all things holocaust. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest victims of holocaustianity are Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer and Sylvia Stolz, who are elderly women who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for incorrect thoughts.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the chosen) to engineer the jewish holocaust, there would be a pogrom of massive size.

    You see, the jewish holocaust was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many holocausts of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish holocaust is the only one that counts . . .

    It is interesting to note that the term holocaust to mean mass extermination was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that false guilt could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the commercialization of the so-called jewish holocaust while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten.

    To assure a continuing supply of jewish holocaust survivors, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean camp numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and disease-holocaust transference syndrome. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish holocaust survivors are infected with this disease and should also be considered holocaust survivors, eligible for holocaust reparations. According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected”with this jewish-only “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a homeland, Israel.

    It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews declaration of war on Germany) started in1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Let’s not forget that as “world jewry” declared WAR on Germany in 1933, a book “Germany Must Perish” was authored by Theodore N. Kaufman, a jew, who advocated the complete destruction and extermination of Germany, it’s people and culture, and erasure from the world timeline and history.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a holocaust of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that (jewish freak show) holocaust showplace Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called gas chambers. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called gassing took place. There is a gas chamber chimney that is not connected to anything.

    From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the operators of these supposed gas chambers. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these camps.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported gas chambers, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the gas chambers did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the chimney for the supposed gas chamber does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH with his professional and personal character assassination by those of the tribe. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts law for practicing engineering without a license-a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to create the death camps for propaganda purposes.

    Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing with “bug spray”..

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were liberated by the allies, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be liberated by the Russian allies.

    It is said that the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth Unfortunately this quote does not apply to all things holocaust. It appears that there are those”holocaust promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all holocaust believers to check these things out for yourselves IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find.

  273. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    > Creating a stable, reasonably happy family…

    …is exactly what Rabbi Jewsus and the Jew Paul taught against. A sampling of what they taught. Go read your Bible.

    • “Woe unto them that are with child.” (Matthew 24:19, Mark 13:17, Luke 21:23)
    • “Blessed are the childless women.” (Luke 23:29)
    • “It is better not to marry!” (Matthew 19:10)
    • “Choose to live like eunuchs.” (Matthew 19:12)
    • “Hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters.” (Luke 14:26)
    • “Forsake houses…wife, children.” (Matthew 19:29)
    • “Neither marry nor be given in marriage.” (Matthew 22:30)
    • “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” (1 Corinthians 7:1)
    • “Stay unmarried.” (1 Corinthians 7:8)

    Europe adapted this blatantly anti-family apocalyptic religion most successfully during an era when it was a capital crime to print, own, or even read a Jewish-authored Bible. Once it got printed, everybody start believing what was inside the Bible, instead of following the European traditions that strictly limited the malevolent influence of the Jewish-authored Bible.

    Europe is now more like Jesus (and Paul) than in was in any other time in history, and may well commit a “self-righteous suicide,” just like Jesus did. Christian to Death, indeed!

    • Replies: @Nalca
  274. Talha says:
    @TKK

    No quotes ever used to show conversation.

    Yeah, it’s Cormac McCarthy’s style. I wish he did; made reading Blood Meridian a bit more difficult than it needed to be.

    Chigurh seems to be walking Death, Evil, the absence of Civilization, a Dystopian Nightmare.

    Judge Holden was that in Blood Meridian.

    McCarthy writes some seriously dark stuff.

    Peace.

  275. @Kevin Barrett

    Brilliant and accurate statement.

    Arnold Toynbee supports the contention that ‘“Spiritualized altruism” fostered by religion’ is the glue that binds together successful civilizations. This is the powerful life force that enables them to overcome shocks to their society and their adversaries. Russia is now reviving because they have reclaimed God and are returning to Church. Recent Pentagon reports reflect fear that Russia has resurrected both the will and the means to defend her motherland and her Church.

    Civilizations that fail have turned their backs on God. They have lost their “mojo.” Hence the present decay in ‘Murka and Europe. They are like “the rich in his humiliation, because as a flower of the field he will pass away.” James 1:10 NKJV

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
    , @Bliss
  276. anon[396]: “Getting rid of wheeled transportation and going back to walking would make women behave in ways religious pressure never will.”

    The decrease in fertility rate is caused not by the bicycle, and not by lack of religion, but by the widespread availability and use of scientific methods of birth control, including abortion. People are probably fucking more than ever, but to little effect; and of course, that’s exactly why they don’t want to get rid of this technological solution to an age-old problem. It lets them fuck all they want without consequences.

    I can’t believe these dolts who think that before birth control, white women had babies because they believed in Jesus. They had babies because they had no effective means of preventing it. Now that they do, they don’t have so many. Why is that so hard to understand?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Dumbo
  277. DirkVL says: • Website
    @Alfred

    Read the link for battery technology.

    Goodenough’s latest breakthrough, completed with Cockrell School senior research fellow Maria Helena Braga, is a low-cost all-solid-state battery that is noncombustible and has a long cycle life (battery life) with a high volumetric energy density and fast rates of charge and discharge.”

  278. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    > what do you suggest for European revival?

    As that I can see no way out but through. -Robert Frost

    Q-Anon won’t tell you, but I will, because the best place for a secret is in the open, where nobody will ever believe it to be true….

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    Europe is infested with invaders because the artificial comforts and transportation of modern industrial civilization makes it possible for people to live in regions in which they did not naturally adapt. Yet European revival is only a peasant right wing concern, and thus has insufficient political pull. However, the final solution has gained recent left wing support within the Cathedral. The Cathedral has similar concerns about the imminent and inevitable endangerment of human habitat on a global scale by modern industrial civilization.

    Effectively, it appears that civilization may be in a double-bind. If civilization does not collapse quickly this century, then CO2 levels will likely end up exceeding 1000 ppmv; but, if CO2 levels rise by this much, then the risk is that civilization will gradually tend towards collapse.

    Garrett, T. J. (2012), No way out? The double-bind in seeking global prosperity alongside mitigated climate change, Earth Syst. Dyn., 3, 1–17, doi:10.5194/esd-3-1-2012.

    Both the Right’s regional and Left’s global concerns with human habitat would benefit from a collapse of industrial civilization. It’s so easy to go Starfish Prime, deployed globally in fewer than 20 minutes. Routing around a Permissive Action Link (PAL) is simple; they’re just window dressing for the politicians. Get my drift?

    But such an abrupt and risky method is not necessary. All we have to do is just be patient, wait, and artificially add a bit of wee little bit of random Gaussian noise (rGn) to effect “unlucky trajectories.”

    But if random Gaussian noise is added to η, then the range of possible trajectories broadens. Notably, there are “unlucky” trajectories that could be associated with frequent and persistent global scale natural disasters. Disasters might push civilization into a transition toward a mode of irreversible decay or collapse. Most notably, a transition is particularly likely when rates of return approach zero.

    Garrett, T. J. (2014), Long‐run evolution of the global economy: 1. Physical basis. Earth’s Future, 2: 127-151. doi:10.1002/2013EF000171

    Be patient. You won’t be able to detect that random Gaussian noise, but it’s coming, next week, and the results soon enough. Try your hand at knapping flint instead of watching TV this weekend.

    • Replies: @Talha
  279. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    While Russia does not have the population that it had in 1986, officially atheist China, with half its population confirmed atheists, thrives. Can you explain China in light of your theory?

  280. Talha says:
    @anon

    artificial comforts and transportation of modern industrial civilization makes it possible for people to live in regions in which they did not naturally adapt.

    Can’t argue that, take away central heating and you’ll have a mad rush of Somalis trying to get out of Minnesota.

    human habitat would benefit from a collapse of industrial civilization.

    OK – I really wish I had a good argument against this, but it may actually be for the better in the long run.

    Try your hand at knapping flint instead of watching TV this weekend.

    I don’t watch TV, but I get your drift, be prepared for survival mode; good advice to be honest.

    So I guess – as far as you’re concerned – the correction will come inevitably due to industrial society collapsing under its own weight and pressures, correct? Ideology then seems secondary to the solution.
    I like Frost; great poet.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
  281. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    You are correct regarding birth control; however, my use of the bicycle was to illustrate with a graspable example the consequences of all industrial civilization. Folks here complaining about sexual mores are ignoring the effects of modern technology, as you accurately point out. Probably the same way a fish ignores water.

  282. Dumbo says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    If they say “they don’t believe in God”, they are atheists, even if they don’t know what it means. Maybe we can use the world “irreligious” then. Anyway, I’m tired of this dumb discussion on what was really a minor point.

  283. Dumbo says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I can’t believe these dolts who think that before birth control, white women had babies because they believed in Jesus. They had babies because they had no effective means of preventing it. Now that they do, they don’t have so many. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Yes and no. Even with birth control, practicing religious couples have more children than non-religious or non-practicing people. There are many studies about it. This is true for Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims, etc. Why is that?

    Reduction in fertility is only in part because of birth control, but a lot more is because of urbanization and education of women, likely the two factors that most correlate with lower fertility, and, of course, reduction in religious belief. Why is it so hard to understand, indeed.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  284. Dumbo says:
    @anon

    Your hypothesis that Christianity is necessary to repel immigration

    I never advanced that hypothesis. Christianity is good for other reasons. Immigration has other causes, and other solutions.

    Fact is, Christianity invites immigration, because White Christians consider Black Christians their “brother,” but do not consider White non-believers as their brother.

    That is not really true, and besides nothing precludes Christians from being also nationalists. Not all people are monomaniacal and most able to have different allegiances with others for different reasons.

    Also, the real issue among white people is class. Richer whites don’t see poorer whites as “brothers”, and a lot of the support for immigration is virtue-signaling for status, but it has nothing to do with religion in itself.

    • Replies: @anon
  285. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Is being a Papist like wearing Army-issue BCGs (Birth Control Glasses?) Should Catholics now jump on Protestant bandwagon for higher fertility rates?

    In the United States, the baby boom-era pattern of high Catholic and low Protestant fertility has ended. Among non-Hispanic whites in the 1980s, Catholic total fertility rates (TFRs) were about one-quarter of a child lower than Protestant rates (1.64 vs. 1.91).

    Mosher, etal. (1992). Religion and fertility in the United States: New patterns. Demography 29 (2): 199 -214. doi.org/10.2307/2061727

  286. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    > nothing precludes Christians from being also nationalists

    That is not really true, because the Jesus character clearly intended to destroy family and kin and national relations among people to establish an internationalist/globalist salvation cult with Jewish leadership, founded on the Jewish creation fiction that all mankind is descended from a single Jewish fictional character.

    Of course, nothing precludes a small group of Christians from completely ignoring Jesus and twisting his plain words around 180 degrees, they do it all the time with a few tried and true theological tricks, hence 30,000 denominations.

    Enjoy being denomination 30,001.

    And if your Christian nationalism is going to be successful, you’re going to have to route around the primary Christian myth that I already explained above, that all mankind is descended from a single Jewish fictional character. The other 30,000 denominations are going to hammer you on that.

    I’m going to watch with interest how you attempt to negate the Single Breeding Pair Creation Myth that is the essence of the anti-evolutionary, liberal “we all bleed red” creationist belief found in places like Acts 17:26 “From one human being he created all Goyim (ethnos)* and made them live throughout the whole earth.”

    * Goy (/ɡɔɪ/, Hebrew: גוי, regular plural goyim /ˈɡɔɪ.ɪm/, גוים or גויים) is the standard Hebrew biblical term for a nation.[1] The word nation has been the common translation of the Hebrew goy or ethnos in the Septuagint…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  287. Dumbo: “… practicing religious couples have more children than non-religious or non-practicing people. There are many studies about it. This is true for Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims, etc. Why is that? ”

    Because having the technological means of preventing births only works if those means are used. If the women refuse to use them, or can’t use them because they aren’t available, then they have more babies. Everything else that has been mentioned as causative (feminism, urbanization, education, etc.) is downstream of the widespread availability of scientific methods of birth control, a category in which I include abortion. It’s birth control that has allowed women to enter the workforce in large numbers; birth control that has fostered an illusion of sexual equality. It’s birth control that has allowed them to delay pregnancy indefinitely, attend college, and have a career. Birth control is an indispensable precondition of modern feminism, without which the latter would be impossible. If these methods were banned, or became unavailable for other reasons (e.g., a civilizational collapse), the white birth rate would go back up; unless people stop fucking that is, which seems unlikely. But the first step is for everyone to stop deluding themselves that white women used to have babies ‘cuz they loved Jesus, or did it out of “spiritualized altruism”, or patriotism, or any other such bullshit reason. Nature made women powerless to prevent their own pregnancy except by refusing sex, which isn’t always an option. Technological civilization has interfered with that natural state of powerlessness, and is now suffering the consequences.

  288. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Thanks, Talha, for understanding and thanks for that art piece you found; I’ve always enjoyed post-apocalyptic art and never encountered that one. I’m adding it to my collection. And enjoying it with this music written to memorialize the Shuttle Columbia astronauts.

    >> human habitat would benefit from a collapse of industrial civilization.
    > OK – I really wish I had a good argument

    After entertaining the notion for years that civilizational collapse was a way to save a remnant of the human species from itself, in the last few months I’ve discovered there actually is a good argument against it, if the premise behind the McPherson Paradox is correct. If his calculations are close, we’re all as thoroughly doomed in a relatively short time as Rick Husband and crew. We’ll see, likely in the remainder of my lifetime.

    • Replies: @Talha
  289. @Excal

    Excal- yousaid it just perfect.

    • Replies: @anon
  290. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > Civilizations that fail have turned their backs on God.

    • 380 AD Theodosius makes Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.
    • 400-800 AD Population of Rome fell by over 90%, mainly because of famine and plague.

    How does your hypothesis explain that?

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  291. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    > Even with birth control, practicing religious couples have more children…Why is that?

    Simple explanation, considering these two premises:

    Premise 1. Lower IQ people are more religious.
    Premise 2. Lower IQ people are more clueless using advanced technology like contraception.*

    * “…low‐IQ women have more unwanted births than high‐IQ women.”

    J. Richard Udry (1978) Differential fertility by intelligence: The role of birth planning, Social Biology, 25:1, 10-14, DOI: 10.1080/19485565.1978.9988313

  292. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Excal

    > the truth is that socialism and Christianity are fundamentally opposed

    Only if you cut out the Scriptures I quoted, among many others. Have you done that yet? Talk all you want, we can all read what the Bible says, and it’s pure Bolshevism as Ludwig von Mises noted. And Mises was no socialist, dumbass.

    Jesus’s words are full of resentment against the rich, and the Apostles are no meeker in this respect. The Rich Man is condemned because he is rich, the Beggar praised because he is poor…. In God’s Kingdom the poor shall be rich, but the rich shall be made to suffer. Later revisers have tried to soften the words of Christ against the rich … but there is quite enough left to support those who incite the world to hatred of the rich, revenge, murder and arson…. This is a case in which the Redeemer’s words bore evil seed. More harm has been done, and more blood shed, on account of them than by the persecution oaf heretics and the burning of witches. They have always rendered the Church defenceless against all movements which aim at destroying human society. The church as an organization has certainly always stood on the side of those who tried to ward off communistic attack. But it … was continually disarmed by the words: “Blessed be ye poor; for yours is the Kingdom of God.” (Socialism, p. 420)

    • Replies: @Excal
    , @Excal
  293. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lost american

    Perfectly wrong. “Excal” assumes Ludwig von Mises was a socialist because he wrote a book entitled Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis and critiques the proto-Bolshevist Jews who wrote the Jew Testament.

    • Replies: @Excal
  294. Excal says:
    @anon

    Only if you cut out the Scriptures I quoted, among many others. Have you done that yet?

    Have you read anything I’ve written yet? Have you thought about it at all?

    Talk all you want, we can all read what the Bible says,

    Yes, and you demonstrate that reading does not always lead to understanding.

    and it’s pure Bolshevism as Ludwig von Mises noted.

    And so I differ with him on that point. I bet he would have enjoyed discussing it.

    And Mises was no socialist, dumbass.

    Sorry, Professor, but did I ever say that he was? How is that even relevant?

    • Replies: @anon
  295. Excal says:
    @anon

    Perfectly wrong. “Excal” assumes Ludwig von Mises was a socialist because he wrote a book entitled Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis and critiques the proto-Bolshevist Jews who wrote the Jew Testament.

    I never said anywhere that von Mises was a socialist. I am well aware that he was not. I was aware of it when I wrote that comment — in fact I went and reviewed him a bit before writing. But either way, that makes no difference to my argument.

    You should try to read things more carefully. It’s no wonder you have such trouble reading really difficult things, like the Bible.

    By the way — I hope this doesn’t shock you — but did you notice that von Mises was .. Jewish?

    • Replies: @anon
  296. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Excal

    >> The socialist attempts to…
    > …did I ever say that he was?

    Now that you googled Mises, and realize his book entitled Socialism isn’t promoting it, you’re backpedaling.

  297. Funny how all the “pro-white” GAYtheists and FAGans who hate Christianity for supposedly being anti-western will nod in agreement with some communist gook like Linh Dinh on a mossad-controlled website like Unz. Half of you retards are quoting anti-Christain kikes like Von Mises to prove that Christianity is anti-Western. Fucking pathetic. The atheists will always do the bidding of the jew and try to pin the blame on Christians for the mess the atheists themselves made.

    • Replies: @anon
  298. @TKK

    Don’t look for justice or Christian certainty (I see it as smugness)

    Then you’re just another judaized modernist faggot. Christian certainty is what propelled the west to greatness while COmrade Dinh’s ancestors were eating worms in a hut.

    • Replies: @anon
  299. @Johnny Walker Read

    Religion has and always be just anther control system, another way for the aristocracy to maintain control over the “herd”. Without a doubt it has been the most successful of the control mechanisms.

    Every useful idiot has said the same thing. People like you are the reason the Jewish Bolsheviks were able to wreck Russia.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  300. JP says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This is your brain on doublethink:

    Immigration has nothing to do with religion. In fact the more atheistic Europe has become the more immigrants it has been importing.

    Do you even see the contradiction?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  301. Excal says:
    @anon

    Thank you for providing this extract of von Mises. I know this is long, but perhaps somebody will find this interesting.

    Jesus’s words are full of resentment against the rich, and the Apostles are no meeker in this respect. The Rich Man is condemned because he is rich, the Beggar praised because he is poor…. In God’s Kingdom the poor shall be rich, but the rich shall be made to suffer. Later revisers have tried to soften the words of Christ against the rich …

    Unfortunately, this is demonstrably wrong in almost every respect. Certainly Jesus had no personal reason to resent the rich. After all, he was the son of God, who commanded the angels: why would he need personal wealth? This was illustrated often — for example, when he was required to pay the temple tax, he got the money from the mouth of a fish! Jesus warned against the dangers of wealth, and especially of loving wealth, but nowhere did he condemn the wealthy merely for having wealth. Rather, wealth was subject to him: “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s”.

    When Jesus did condemn the wealthy, it was almost always for neglect of the poor. This is the message of the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, which von Mises alludes to here. The Rich Man was condemned not for having wealth, but because he did nothing for Lazarus, who grovelled at his very table, while the Rich Man feasted. It also seems that the Rich Man lacked belief in God, and had disregard for the Law, and this was what led to his punishment.

    This particular parable would have had extra force in Jesus’ day, as the idea that a wealthy man would not be a favourite of the gods was rather novel. Jesus often made the point that earthly wealth was not necessarily a sign of the favour of God: something which we take as granted today, but which was an unusual concept in ancient Mediterranean culture.

    Von Mises suggests that the rich are always condemned in the scriptures: but counterexamples are very easy to find. The centurion, whose servant Jesus healed, was not a poor man at all, yet Jesus praised him almost extravagantly. It was a very rich man who provided the tomb for Jesus. The parables also offer examples: for instance, the parable of the unjust steward concerns a rich, and dishonest, man, who is justified by his questionable actions! And in the parable of the talents, the servants are rewarded with wealth, with the best servant receiving the most. There are many more examples besides these. Von Mises’ odd notion that the rich are always condemned in scripture is simply not supported by Scripture itself.

    … but there is quite enough left to support those who incite the world to hatred of the rich, revenge, murder and arson…. This is a case in which the Redeemer’s words bore evil seed. More harm has been done, and more blood shed, on account of them than by the persecution of heretics and the burning of witches. They have always rendered the Church defenceless against all movements which aim at destroying human society. The church as an organization has certainly always stood on the side of those who tried to ward off communistic attack. But it … was continually disarmed by the words: “Blessed be ye poor; for yours is the Kingdom of God.” (Socialism, p. 420)

    And yet somehow this Church, which is “defenceless against all movements which aim at destroying human society”, has endured for two thousand years!

    During those milennia, this Church, product of a religion which — so says von Mises — foments a poisonous hatred of the rich, developed modern capitalism and brought about the wealthiest age in known history: in fact the Church produced such wealth in Christian lands that even the poorest of the poor would have been considered quite well off in previous ages.

    I agree that socialism is one of the most difficult and insidious enemies ever faced by that Church, but it is difficult to see why von Mises says that the Church is “defenceless” against it. It was that “defenceless” Church which spoke as loud, or even louder, than anyone else, against socialism and all its forms, especially in the first half of the twentieth century. Even while the Church was actually infiltrated by those determined enemies, it was that very Church which did so much to bring down the socialist regime in Poland, then all of Eastern Europe, and at last Russia itself! This almost incredible victory is a thing which von Mises did not live to see, but I wonder if he might have reconsidered his views, had he seen it.

    I am afraid that von Mises may not have been familiar enough with Christianity to properly criticise it. Perhaps he misread the Gospels, observed the mendicant friars, saw the strange and high respect which Christianity bestows on the poor and lowly, and could reconcile this in no other way than to insist that the Church hates the rich. Perhaps he let his noble hatred of barbarous socialism carry him away a bit, and mistook a friend for an enemy; and that is a great pity.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Bliss
  302. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Dr. Robert,

    I wrote “less prepared” not “unprepared”. Yes I don’t think religion should be such an important factor when it comes to defending your own, but maybe it is. Even Stalin allowed Christianity to function again during WWII as he thought it would help in the war effort and that the Russians would fight better and harder to defend their own from foreigners intent on invading their lands.

    Regarding technological society it’s worth noting that the Amish manage to combine Christianity with a non-technological society and way of life. But then there are anarchist atheist communes doing the same but on a much smaller scale and less successfully, as they often seem to break up, mostly due to psychological pressures, egoistic behaviour, bad organisation. Some other Christian communes also have similar problems, especially sicko psycho leadership.

    welcoming immigrants is an expression of the white man’s civilizational confidence.

    White civilisational confidence would find better expression in their NGOs, aid, UN projects, investments, etc. managing to civilise the Third World and making it more sustainable, more just, more egalitarian, more ethical, more humane, more empathetic, if those are really the values they espouse. And have they succeeded? The whites you mention are just dupes following the party line, doing what they’re told even if they think they came up on their own with the brilliant idea of going down to the station to welcome immigrants. The question is who allowed those immigrants to get to that station in the first place? Certainly not that lot welcoming them.

    I see a collective white understanding that mixing populations is an unavoidable part of establishing a world empire.

    But whose empire and in whose interest? Certainly not the world’s or the whites’. And a de-racinated world in some far flung future more peaceful one world state may not be such a bad idea but it has to evolve naturally and not be forced upon people. The way they’re going about it is wrong. But then they want to enslave the world and not liberate it.

  303. @anon

    “You deprecate natural men, then you complain when they act un-natural. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. Which way is it?….”

    Natural Man

    The Bible speaks of the natural man as the person who has not received Christ as Savior.

    But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).

    Operates On Human Wisdom

    The natural man may be defined as an individual who operates entirely on human wisdom. This is due to the fact that they have not made a commitment to Jesus Christ. They have not experienced the new birth and do not have the Holy Spirit living inside of them. Because the natural man does not have the Spirit of God living in them, they do not understand or welcome spiritual truth. It is foolishness unto them. The unbeliever cannot understand how a person who died 1900 years ago can have any meaning with the way they are living today.

    No Real Understanding Of Bible

    They do not receive or welcome the message of Scripture. Their reaction to the message of the gospel is that it is foolishness, ridiculous.

    Does Not Have The Proper Equipment

    Unsaved humanity does not have the proper equipment to make proper estimate of spiritual truth. As stars are telescopically discerned, and germs are microscopically discerned, the Bible is discerned by the Holy Spirit. It would be like a blind person judging an art contest.

    Many sincere and educated people admire the Bible as literature and extoll its moral teaching-but they miss the real spiritual message of the Bible that salvation is only through the person of Jesus Christ.

    Miss The Purpose

    These same people may acknowledge Christ as a wonderful teacher or example but they miss the real purpose of why He came into the world. Paul wrote.

    Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners – of whom I am the worst (1 Timothy 1:15).

    4.Spiritual Blindfold

    The Bible says the unbeliever has a spiritual blindfold on.

    And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).

    Spiritual Man

    In contrast to the natural man is the spiritual man.

    Those who are spiritual discern all things, and they are themselves subject to no one else’s scrutiny (1 Corinthians 2:15).

    The spiritual man is one who is characterized by the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Bible encourages believers to let the Spirit lead them.

    Do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit, as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among yourselves, singing and making melody to the Lord in your hearts (Ephesians 5:18,19).

    The spiritual man produces the fruit of the Spirit.

    The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things (Galatians 5:22).

    Summary

    Before a person becomes a Christian, Scripture calls them the natural man. They have no ability to worship or serve God. After salvation a believer can be led by the Spirit or be a spiritual man.

    Jesus stayed plainly to the Pharisee Nicodemus ( who was a powerful member of the Sanhedrin):
    “ You must be born again.”
    – not of the flesh… but of the Spirit.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @SeekerofthePresence
  304. Bliss says:
    @anon

    William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English.

    Ah, the good old days of Christendom, before the Enlightenment spoiled everything with it’s human rights and freedoms bull crap. Can I get an amen, right wingers?

  305. @Montefrío

    So not only do you sound like like another new age boomer who fell for the zen psyop pushed by McKenna and Leary, you’re a rootless expat who castigates the West while living like a king in sopme brown hellhole. There’s too many of you on Unz already.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  306. @Bliss

    The “Enlightened” French revolution killed more in a decade than the Catholic Church did in a millennium.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  307. @Big Daddy

    Rothbard

    Funny how all the anti-Christians on here keep quoting Jews to make their case.

  308. Anounder says:
    @Bliss

    So when will you own up to the massacres approved by Stalin, Churchill, and other post-Enlightenment figures? Let alone “freedom fighters” like Mugabe.

  309. Anounder says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    You’re talking a New World Negro (or one infected with New World filth) with no real identity or heritage he can show. Hence him claiming Ancient China and the Buddha were Negroes. His brand of Negroes see Christianity as the White Man’s religion, taking notes from Downlow Brotha (homosexual) Malcolm X.

  310. Anounder says:
    @Bliss

    How many kids do Enlightenment countries have?

  311. Anon[649] • Disclaimer says:

    Official reminder of the following:

    1. Libertarianism is degenerate and draws in Jews like Rothbard, ruined women, nerds, and Uncle Toms. See the acceptance of homosexuality on a level even the Greeks never had, support for the “Civil Rights” Movement and self-determination, lack of scorn for abortion…

    2. The “Enlightenment” and other post-Reformation inventions like nationalism are what enabled the death camp and the firing squad.

    3. White Nationalism is an Anglomutt invention to achieve the shared direction and purpose that Euros briefly showed during the wars against Muslims. It has and continues to be an embarrassment.

    4. The only tradition/s by the Greeks and/or Romans worth pursuing are by the likes of Plato and Plotinus. Otherwise go Muslim or Orthodox.

    5. Islam is currently the most robust non-ethnic faith tradition on Earth. Go figure since THEY actually have kids unlike you Whiteys with your Enlightenment and “Rights.” That said, even Muslims risk being subverted by their own cucks who shill for liberalism.

    • Troll: Counterinsurgency
  312. @JP

    Granted it looks like that taken out of context. The causes of immigration are not religious, other than in a few cases of Arab Christians escaping ISIS. I was trying to counter arguments of a couple of posters who claim that the West’s Christianity is the reason for the increasing immigration and that China’s atheism is the reason why they don’t import immigrants. And one showing a table according to which the UK has only 5% atheists, as if the other 95% (minus any Muslims and a few Jews) are all Church going Christians. Try convincing them that even an atheist Europe will not be a China.

    • Replies: @anon
  313. very very good article. I never new what rubbish this book by Raspail also contains. Really a shame that the important ideas of the book come together with this rest.

  314. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Richard Carrier saying Jesus didn’t exist doesn’t make it so. Respectable biblical scholarship doesn’t take mythicists(Richard Carrier) seriously. They consider the existence of Jesus to be a confirmed fact; the dispute is over what He is.

    • Replies: @Anounder
    , @anon
  315. @anon

    Well, the capital wasn’t actually in Rome, for starters.

  316. @anon

    China’s birth rate has been floundering for years. I wish you Chink shills would at least try to use credible data.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-population/modern-chinas-birth-rate-falls-to-lowest-ever-idUSKCN1PF0SM

  317. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Excal

    Doofus excal is still googling…

    > Mises was .. Jewish?

    Like the Rabbi Jewsus? lol

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  318. @anon

    You keep trying to claim that Christianity is somehow antithetical to family and culture, and yet with the disintegration of institutional Christianity so too have fallen nationalism and the family. Christians, not atheists are more likely to support traditional families and stronger borders while the atheists do what their jewish masters tell them to.

  319. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stonehands

    Thanks for letting us know that your perverted Jew-worship cult is a revolt against nature, just as much as transvestite cross-dresses are. But we knew that already; anybody can read it:

    Philippians 3:21: Who shall change our vile body?
    Ephesians 2:3: We were by nature objects of wrath.
    Romans 8:8: They that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit.
    Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature.
    Galatians 5:17 For the cravings of the lower nature are opposed to those of the Spirit.
    Galatians 6:8 Lower nature.
    Ephesians 4:22 Your original evil nature.
    James 3:15 That is not the wisdom which comes down from above: it belongs to earth, to the unspiritual nature.
    1 John 2:16 For the things in the world–the cravings of the earthly nature, the cravings of the eyes, the show and pride of life–they all come, not from the Father, but from the world.
    Jude 1:10 Mere nature.

    Me? I’m going to avoid your degenerate Jew-worship cult and stay The Natural. 🙂

    • Replies: @Bliss
  320. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > the West’s Christianity is the reason for the increasing immigration

    You’ve got a point there, since the West’s Jew-worship cult deprecates stranger danger, as Rabbi Jewsus said in the Jew Testament, “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  321. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    > Christian certainty is what propelled the west to greatness

    Took only 20 years to make that Great Leap Forward to greatness.

    • 380 AD Theodosius makes your Jew-worship cult the official religion of the Roman Empire.
    • 400-800 AD Population of Rome fell by over 90%, mainly because of famine and plague.

    There are serious consequences for being devoted to a dumbass Jewish Rabbi with this sort of advice: “Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body.”

  322. Anounder says:

    We really need to find a way to bar LARPagans from posting here. They’re down there with Kangz Monkeys.

  323. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    > do the bidding of the jew

    Should folks not do the bidding of Rabbi Jewsus, who was “praised” by “every” Jew when he taught in “their Synagogues?” (Luke 4:15) You’re so very aware of the Jews, and I’d like to hear your opinion. Give us your answer, yea or nay.

  324. @anon

    You keep posting those dates and figures as if they mean anything when the capital of the Empire moving to Greece was a more significant reason. The sad thing is you’ll just keep on regurgitating Talmudic talking points and soaking up whatever Chinese communist propaganda that the kike Ron Unz has decided is for for his “white nationalist” dupes to propagate.

    • Replies: @anon
  325. @anon

    You keep trying to paint Christianity as a jewish plot, while all of your talking points from Jews. This is why white nationalism is a joke. It’s full of Jew puppets like Taylor and Spencer.

  326. Convinced that they’re always the good guys and carriers of light, white Christians have been invading, inviting and remaking the world for several centuries

    And you ungrateful yellow monkeys are all the better for it. You’re welcome, by the way.

  327. Anounder says:

    What would an atheist care if he had a part-Negro grandson who’s father is in jail?

    Recognize that practiced is ultimately well in line with the Bolsheviks in that it seeks to glorify men, teach that there is none that transcends men’s petty interests and amusements (degeneracy). Except at least Old Atheists like Freddy Nietzsche recognized men are too base to be worthy of worship (hence the Overman or the New Soviet Man for the Commies).

  328. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @kerdasi amaq

    > They consider the existence of Jesus to be a confirmed fact

    It’s no surprise that the re$p€¢t€d $¢ho£ar$ of the hugely profitable J€$u$ bu$in€$$ want to keep their $¢ho£arly $ubj€¢t $o£vent.

    Now, a scholarly question: Can you confirm roughly what year this Jesus character was born, and which of the Gospel accounts between Matthew and Luke is wrong, considering that both cannot be correct?

    It is beyond reasonable dispute that Luke dates the birth of Jesus to 6 A.D. It is equally indisputable that Matthew dates the birth of Jesus to 6 B.C. (or some year before 4 B.C.). This becomes an irreconcilable contradiction after an examination of all the relevant facts…

    The Date of the Nativity in Luke (6th ed., 2011)
    Richard Carrier
    https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/quirinius.html

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  329. @SeekerofthePresence

    Try it in Detroit? A dream or a nightmare?

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  330. @Jeff Stryker

    One can loathe socialist policies while loving those who suffer as a result of them.

    True love sets out to correct gross mismanagement and restore prudent governance.

  331. @anon

    anon,

    You too now quoting me out of context and using me from the opposite end to JP. What’s UR coming to ? I though we come here to have a reasonable discussion and debate. So you’re selective in you’re imagery. It’s just that all those atheists holding up similar banners don’t have a church to pose in front of.

  332. Nalca says:
    @anon

    The way you quote the bible is really dishonest. You only took the words that interest you, without any context and throw away the rest.

    New International Version – 1 Corinthians 7:1
    Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”

    New International Version – 1 Corinthians 7:2
    But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

    This is the answer to a question. And what do you find in the next verses ? A promotion of marital fidelity ! So much for being anti-family.

    New International Version – Matthew 22:30
    At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

    They are speaking on how to handle marriage after resurrection. How do this tell people not to marry, especially when the resurrection did not happen ?

    New International Version – Luke 23:28
    Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.

    New International Version – Luke 23:28
    For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’

    How evil it is for Jesus to say to women “do not weep for me; weep for […] your children”
    The only moment a childless women is considered blessed is when a mother lose her child. Why ?
    Because a childless woman do not have to deal with the death of her child, since she never had one.

    Anyone who read the verse you quoted can see you are lying by omission.
    You are lying just to insult Christianity.
    What are you ? A Talmudist ?

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @anon
  333. @MAOWASAYALI

    It’s working now in Hong Kong as I write: Sing Hallelujah to the (((Lord)))

    Who is really behind the turmoil in Hong Kong?

    Speaking of “behinds” (lol) globo-homo and Zionist shill Paul Joseph Watson says, “Oh say can you see… [him shit-stirring in Hong Kong for America].”

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  334. Bliss says:
    @Excal

    I agree that socialism is one of the most difficult and insidious enemies ever faced by that Church

    How do you reconcile that with the fact that the earliest Christians practiced socialism? It is recorded in the New Testament itself.

    Wealth is a huge handicap in the spiritual path, Jesus emphasized:

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God

    And for that reason:

    Blessed are the poor.

  335. @MAOWASAYALI

    Why would PJW be doing that? I thought he hates USA, at least from all those videos he posts on you tube about how bad it is. Maybe he hopes to start a new real America out there with that fake Hong Kong revolution. Or was it Pepe the Frog and the black shirts that attracted him?

    • Replies: @MAOWASAYALI
  336. Bliss says:
    @anon

    Those are words of spiritual wisdom that you recoil from.

    Your very being is supernatural. It would be nonsensical to deny that you are aware of this natural world you are so attached to, wouldn’t it? This awareness can not be explained by science. Because it is supernatural. Unlike Nature it can not be observed. It is the Observer itself. This Observer is the Spirit within you. To realize this eternal Spirit within us all we have to detach from temporary Nature completely. This is what Jesus, Buddha and all genuine Teachers of Truth taught.

    • Replies: @anon
  337. Commentator Mike: “Regarding technological society it’s worth noting that the Amish manage to combine Christianity with a non-technological society and way of life. ”

    Ellul defines technology as the ensemble of means whereby man obtains what he wants from the world. Under this definition, the Amish do use technology, just of a different kind than most in the modern world. Also notice that under this definition, there are technologies that have nothing to do with machinery, and are not even material. Propaganda techniques, psychological techniques, sociological schemes of organization, ideologies and religions (at least in their implementations) all would qualify as technology.

    Commentator Mike: “But whose empire and in whose interest? Certainly not the world’s or the whites’. And a de-racinated world in some far flung future more peaceful one world state may not be such a bad idea but it has to evolve naturally and not be forced upon people. The way they’re going about it is wrong. But then they want to enslave the world and not liberate it.”

    In whose interest is Christianity? You seem to be arguing that it’s in whites’ interest, or at least that it at times has been. Its universalist fantasies regarding a brotherhood of man are a great help in establishing a world empire, but the death of discrete races. What I’m saying is that the collective white project of building a world empire based on Western technology incorporates Christianity as a technique, but ultimately is suicidal.

    I’m not sure what you mean about the use of force. Wasn’t your whole argument based on the fact that Europe is being overwhelmed without the use of force? That the immigrants are being let in voluntarily? And that you saw this to be a result of the absence of Christianity? So in that sense, you are actually the one advocating the use of force. However that may be, momentous changes such as these can be expected to generate problems; or as the saying goes, you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. But the Christian vision of a raceless worldwide utopia seems to lie at the end of it, and whites collectively find it appealing. It beckons them on, regardless of the cost.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @L.A
  338. @Commentator Mike

    Or was it Pepe the Frog and the black shirts that attracted him?

    I like your sarcasm, but the simple truth is that PJW is a slave to his passions, as E. Michael Jones has repeatedly told us and this is why the Jewish Banksters are literally ramming LGBTQ down our throats and up our butts.

    This insight and point–sexual liberation as political mind control– is now acknowledged by someone as radical as the Daily Stormer Publisher Andrew Anglin:

    It’s so very funny how the neocon agenda becomes the greatest thing ever as soon as it is going to offer a poop treat for Paul Joseph Watson’s anal appetite.

    Like the anal-winger MILO, Watson is now approaching 40, and his primary concern is securing as many young twinks as possible.

    If you believe the Jews at statista, 94% of people in China who are under 34-years of age are LGBT. If true, China is the new Sodom & Gomorrah.

    However, like the SIX million Jews gassed at Auschwitz, I don’t believe it for one minute, nor do I believe the oft-touted figure of 1.4 billion people in China.

    The numbers simply don’t add up, not if you take into consideration Henry Kissinger’s “One-child policy” for China which was implemented in 1979. China’s population should have flatlined in the 1980s and nosedived in the 2000s if you really do the math.

    See my more indepth comment on this at another thread from yesterday.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  339. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Those are words of spiritual wisdom Jewish make-believe.FIFY Why are you out-sourcing your source of what you consider spiritual wisdom to the Jews anyway?

    • Replies: @Bliss
  340. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nalca

    The way you quote the bible is really dishonest embarrassing, since there isn’t a preacher in the pulpit to explain away the plain meaning of Jewish Horseshit you consider wisdom. FIFY.

  341. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    > The sad thing is

    I don’t consider Jewish writing at all; never read or even seen a Talmud. You Jew-worshipers are the ones who read Jewish writings and consider Jewish authors to be magically wise, so you’re (1) lying and (2) projecting at the same time. And that’s truly sad.

  342. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Dr. Morgan,

    I am not advocating anything but trying to make sense of the chaos we live in. We live in confusing times and the confusion is increasing and is deliberately generated as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion stipulate. But definitely drastic situations require drastic solutions.

    Regarding the violence in enforcing the Coudenhove Kalergi plan I imply the entire globalist framework within which it is being applied, such as imperialist and regional wars, the fact that the citizens in the west were never asked if they comply with their governments’ decision to invite the immigrants so it is being enforced against the peoples’ will, the violence the immigrants generate against their hosts both through organised violence such as terrorism or more spontaneous individual or group violence such as rapes, murders, robberies, physical attacks, President Sarkozy in a public speech encouraging immigrants to rape, etc.

    Yes, as far as how things stand I am undecided about what route we should take. For example I am unconvinced that technology should be fully abandoned, although I personally can live a fairly primitive survivalist level lifestyle and wouldn’t complain much if it came so to pass. Some of my past ideas and predictions, and/or those considered authoritative by experts and others, have proven to be unfounded or wrong, so I tend to be cautious when it comes to advocating or predicting anything but still like to participate in the debate.

    Also I don’t think there will be an apocalypse just yet or around the corner as many keep telling us. Didn’t we go through all that Peak Oil theory, and according to predictions of some 30 years ago we should have already ran out of oil and gas? So predicting the future is … well anybody’s guess. Below I’ll post quite a long quote from Jaques Ellul’s The Technological Society about predictions made by American and Russian scientists in 1960 about the year 2000 so readers can themselves decide which of those predictions came to pass as anticipated, if at all, or perhaps not quite as envisaged, or what significant developments weren’t even considered or envisaged at the time.

    [MORE]

    A Look at the Year 2000. In 1900 the weekly l’Express of Paris published a series of extracts from texts by American and Russian scientists concerning society in the year 2000. As long as such visions were purely a literary concern of science-fiction writers and sensational journalists, it was possible to smile at them.’ Now we have like works from Nobel Prize winners, members of the Academy of Sciences of Moscow, and other scientific notables whose qualifications are beyond dispute. The visions of these gentlemen put science fiction in the shade. By the year 2000. voyages to the moon will be commonplace; so will inhabited artificial satellites. All food will be completely synthetic. The world’s population will have increased fourfold but will have been stabilized. Sea water and ordinary rocks will yield all the necessary metals. Disease, as well as famine, will have been eliminated; and there will be universal hygienic inspection and control. The problems of energy production will have been completely resolved. Serious scientists, it must be repeated, are the source of these predictions, which hitherto were found only in philosophic utopias. The most remarkable predictions concern the transformation of educational methods and the problem of human reproduction. Knowledge will be accumulated in “electronic banks” and transmitted directly to the human nervous system by means of coded electronic messages. There will no longer be any need of reading or learning mountains of useless information; everything will be received and registered according to the needs of the -moment. There will be no need of attention or effort. What is needed will pass directly from the machine to the brain without going through consciousness.
    In the domain of genetics, natural reproduction will be forbidden. A stable population will be necessary, and it will consist of the highest human types. Artificial insemination will be employed
    This, according to Muller, will “permit the introduction into a carrier uterus o f a n ovum fertilized in vitro, ovum and sperm … having been taken from persons representing the masculine ideal and the feminine ideal, respectively. The reproductive cells in question will preferably be those of persons dead long enough that a true perspective of their lives and works, free of all personal prejudice, can be seen. Such cells will be taken from cell banks and will represent the most precious genetic heritage of humanity . . . The method will have to be applied universally. If the people of a single country were to apply it intelligently and intensively . . . they would quickly attain a practically invincible level of superiority . . . ” Here is a future Huxley never dreamed of.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @anon
  343. Bliss says:
    @anon

    Was Buddha a Jew too? You obviously are yet another screwed up ignoramus brainwashed by those evil sites: 4chan, 8chan, Stormfront, Daily Stormer etc. Talking about universal spirituality with your ilk is akin to throwing pearls before swine.

    Jesus was ethnically a Jew but his core teachings have nothing to do with Judaism. Why do you think he was found guilty of blasphemy by the Sanhedrin?

    • Replies: @anon
  344. @Commentator Mike

    Oops

    A Look at the Year 2000. In 1900 the weekly l’Express of Paris published

    It should read 1960 not 1900.

  345. Talha says:
    @anon

    Thanks, Talha, for understanding

    While I cannot in good conscience condone any of your attacks on the Son of Mary (pbuh), I do understand your concern with the concept of monasticism in Christianity. It is interesting (and unfortunate, to me) that the some of the most spiritual people from the Christian tradition ended up being genetic dead ends and did not establish spiritual dynasties. In my tradition, a man like Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) – who the Qadiri Order traces their spiritual lineage to – had over 40 children; very prolific in terms of spiritual writings and children.

    Thanks for the link; that is certainly an interesting proposition – I guess we are riding the tiger if his theory pans out. Can’t get off, can’t necessarily keep going forever.

    I guess we will find out potentially within our lifetimes.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @RadicalCenter
  346. @MAOWASAYALI

    Large scale underground homo parties with up to a hundred participants have long been popular among the young Chinese in Taiwan and SE Asia, usually centered around fitness centres, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they also staged such in Hong Kong and China too, but definitely those stats are made up.

    I have questioned that time series of China’s population growth showing a doubling since 1960, especially given the one child family policy, even on Godfree’s threads, and have had more or less convincing explanations put forward, but nobody questioned the actual data. I also have my suspicions about the far east IQ data. I’m not saying they’re dumber than Europeans but I do think that the numbers are a few digits higher than they should be and have put forward some tentative but unproven explanations.

  347. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    > Jesus was ethnically a Jew

    LOL! He was a RABBI who taught in the SYNAGOGUES and was praised by EVERY Jew. Bible says it. I’ve posted the passage more than once in this comment thread, you Jew-worshiping liars just breeze right over it.

    > but

    Here come the Big Lie.

    > his core teachings have nothing to do with Judaism.

    LOL! Yep, there’s the Big Lie. Who else celebrates PASSOVER but the JEWS?!?!?! Hmmm?

    • Matt. 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the PASSOVER?
    • 1 Cor. 5:7 “Christ, our PASSOVER lamb, has been sacrificed.”

    You pathetic Jew-worshipers always lie. Keep demonstrating that to Unz-readers, Bliss.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  348. kerdasi amaq: “Richard Carrier saying Jesus didn’t exist doesn’t make it so. Respectable biblical scholarship doesn’t take mythicists(Richard Carrier) seriously. They consider the existence of Jesus to be a confirmed fact…”

    “Respectable” biblical scholars used to hold that the Earth is flat and at the center of the universe, and that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. Indeed, some of them still believe that. Dr. Carrier makes some very good arguments, whether you want to believe him or not. Particularly troubling is the lack of contemporaneous secular accounts of Jesus’ existence. We know far more about far lesser figures. There’s also the fact that apostle Paul, in the seven genuine epistles attributed to him, never claims that Jesus was a flesh and blood human, never cites a non-scriptural source when referring to him, and never refers to his ministry on earth. He speaks to Paul only in revelation, i.e., what we would today call hallucinations or dreams. Also, Richard Carrier didn’t invent the idea of a mythic Christ. The idea that Jesus was never an actual person appears very early in the history of Christianity (cf. docetism, and Marcionism), and we know this because there are passages of the Bible that try to refute this notion. There are plenty of other myths about imaginary people (such as Romulus, the mythical founder of Rome) that are similar and preceded Christianity to provide a template.

    Another oddity, peculiar to Matthew 27:53, is the account of numerous corpses rising from the dead at the moment of Jesus’ death.

    51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[c] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

    You would certainly think such a memorable event would have been noticed and recorded by historians — but just like the historical Jesus, no such luck. Curious.

    • Replies: @anon
  349. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    > your attacks on the Son of Mary

    It’s as simple as reminding the Jew-haters that Jesus was Jewish. The Jew-haters like to say that the Jews do not like “naming the Jew,” but I’ve found that the Jew-worships are the ones who really do not like “naming the Jew.”

    > people from the Christian tradition ended up being genetic dead ends

    The Jewish Rabbi taught them that this natural world doesn’t matter, that family and kin are to be “forsaken” and “hated,” and only the make-believe afterlife is important. If one accepts such degenerate premises, degeneracy is rational.

    > In my tradition

    It’s apparent practicality is what led to the calls for “White Sharia.”

    > we are riding the tiger

    I’m glad you were learned enough to understand. Few accept it, especially among progressives/environmentalists, who react more negatively to the paradox than your typical science-denying unz reader. Last I looked, youtube had deleted all copies of the BBC program on global dimming, which science is the premise of McPherson’s Paradox. To suggest that stopping pollution will cause as much problem as pollution is a heresy of ultimate proportions! 🙂 Just looked, and dailymotion has it…for a while… https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xudm8n

    • Replies: @Bliss
  350. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    True, that Holy Horde of Jewish Zombies roamed the streets of Jerusalem before Zombie Jesus. If I understand the Jewish magic of resurrection soteriology correctly, Jesus doesn’t have a monopoly on it, because a Jew is likely to pop out of the ground any moment. One may as well follow Schlomo the Jewish Zombie, I heard his bribe is twice more than Jesus’ “hundredfold” payola to “forsake” one’s blood and soil. (Matthew 19:29) A two-hundredfold bribe for treachery is always better!

  351. Bliss says:
    @anon

    He was a RABBI who taught in the SYNAGOGUES and was praised by EVERY Jew….Who else celebrates PASSOVER but the JEWS?!?!?!

    He was ethnically jewish, he lived in jewish Israel, he taught and preached to jewish people yet you are stupid enough to think that him partaking in a jewish holiday, being called the jewish term for “teacher” etc proves that he was following Judaism. Completely disregarding the glaring fact that the priests of Judaism found Jesus guilty of blasphemy.

    • Replies: @anon
  352. Bliss says:
    @anon

    The Jewish Rabbi taught them that this natural world doesn’t matter, that family and kin are to be “forsaken” and “hated,” and only the make-believe afterlife is important.

    The Jewish Rabbi was not teaching Judaism was he? What Jesus taught is akin to the gospel preached by Buddha some 500 years earlier.

    • Replies: @anon
  353. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    > Didn’t we go through all that Peak Oil theory

    Peak Oil Theory, which originally addressed conventional oil production, is still valid, and has been proven correct. Conventional oil peaked in 2011. Sure, we have a flood of unconventional oil now, that fools the short-sighted who can’t think any further than the next quarter into thinking peak conventional oil didn’t happen, but it did. It’s over, 8 years ago. The technology of unconventional oil is recovering more hydrocarbons that imagined years ago, but oil is still a finite source.

    And like this article predicts may happen, the subject of Peak Oil will become popular again, when the surfeit of unconventional oil begins its inevitable peak.

    The future will bring new data and, with them, the concept of peak oil might regain popularity for a second time, just as it did for the first time with the 1998 work of Campbell and Lahérrere.

    Peak oil, 20 years later: Failed prediction or useful insight?
    Energy Research & Social Science, Vol. 48, Feb. 2019, pp. 257-261
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214629618303207

    P.S. Huxley wasn’t a scientist. What sort of moron thinks they can invalidate science by quoting a novelist? Good grief!

  354. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    > the glaring fact that the priests of Judaism found Jesus guilty

    It truly takes a retard to think that a violent disagreement between Jews means one of them isn’t a Jew. Do you too think that Trotsky wasn’t a communist because Stalin had him assassinated? The stupid is so strong with you, it burns.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  355. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    > The Jewish Rabbi was not teaching Judaism was he?

    Let’s find out from Rabbi Jewsus himself, in his own words. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets [JUDAISM]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” He says he was teaching and even fulfilling Judaism! But if you want to disagree with Jewsus, that’s fine, I don’t care.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  356. @anon

    No respectable scholar buys into the Christ-myth theory, not even nonbelievers like Bart Ehrman. The only reason Richard Carrier pushes it it because he has a dedicated, paying audience of gullible retards like you.

    https://ehrmanblog.org/carrier-bayes-theorem-jesus-existence/

    • Replies: @anon
  357. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    > No respectable scholar

    No true Scotsman does either! But I never said anything about the “Jesus myth.” So you’re lying. Is your logical fallacy, lying, and your ad hominem carpet-bombing an attempt to distract from the question about the irreconcilable contradiction between Luke and Matthew regarding the dating of the Nativity? It doesn’t matter who brings it up the contradictions between Luke and Matthew, facts are facts. At least one Jewish author of the Gospels is most certainly wrong. Do you dare address the facts?

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  358. Notice how all the atheist faggots can do is regurgitate Talmudic slanders against Christ? The atheist is nothing but a puppet for the jew.

    • Replies: @anon
  359. Bliss says:
    @anon

    What’s retarded here is you stubbornly insisting that Jesus taught Judaism. So tell us where in Judaism is it taught that God has a begotten son?

    • Replies: @anon
  360. Bliss says:
    @anon

    Explain how the Law is fulfilled by the breaking of it? Which is what Jesus openly did, and openly taught.

    Explain how the Old Testament command of revenge (“an eye for an eye”) is fulfilled by the New Testament command of love and non-violence (“do not resist evil”, “love those who hate you”)?

    • Replies: @kerdasi amaq
  361. Bliss says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Civilizations that fail have turned their backs on God. They have lost their “mojo.” Hence the present decay in ‘Murka and Europe.

    But America is still the dominant civilization on the planet and it is still more theistic than the other developed nations.

    And the #2 civilization, China, which is ascending not declining, probably has more atheists than the rest of the world combined:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

    a 2015 Gallup poll found the number of convinced atheists in China to be 61%, with a further 29% saying that they are not religious compared to just 7% who are religious.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  362. @anon

    There is no contradiction between Luke and Matthew. All you can do is toss around high school atheist canards.
    http://www.tektonics.org/af/birthnarr.php
    You’re too stupid to realize that Judaism as we know it today did not exist until after the destruction of the temple and exists only as a pagan corruption of the Old Testament religion which designed itself in opposition to Christianity. Unsurprisingly, the Pagan Romans, such as Julian the apostate, had no problems aligning with the Jews against the Christians, just as you have no problem listening to Jews like Ludwig von Mises as long as they tell you what you want to hear. The atheist will always ALWAYS do the bidding of the Jew.

    • Replies: @anon
  363. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    > There is no contradiction

    That is a lie, the contradictions between Luke and Matthew’s account of the nativity is widely recognized by scholars. But you Jew-worshipers always lie.

    > atheist canards…The atheist

    I’m no atheist, liar, so that’s another lie. But as one may observe before, you Jew-worshipers always lie.

    > always ALWAYS do the bidding of the Jew.

    But it is you pathetic Jew-worshipers who does the bidding of the Jew, because you think your “salvation is from the Jews.” That’s what the Jew Testament says, is it not?

    Which goes to show you Jew-worshipers always project. You Jew worshipers are the Original SJWs in so many ways. Thanks for that lesson, Jew-worshiping SJW.

  364. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    you Jesus himself stubbornly insisting that Jesus taught Judaism. FIFY! “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets [JUDAISM]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [JUDAISM].” If you got your panties in a twist about what Rabbi Jewsus said, take it up with Rabbi Jewsus, not me.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  365. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny K. Arate

    Notice how Jew-worshiping faggots always lie. (I’m no atheist, never have been, never will be, but the Jew-worshiper says so over and over and over and over again, because he loves to lie and hates the truth.) The Jew-worshiper is nothing but a puppet for the Jew. Wait a sec, the Jew-worshiper is source of income for the Jews too! The Jew-worshiper believes that Gentiles “owe it to the Jews.” Jew Testament says so, right here:

    “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” (Romans 15:27)

    Jew-worshipers fervently believe that “they owe it to the Jews,” and have made Romans 15:27 into America’s foreign policy.

    • Replies: @Truth
  366. Truth says:
    @anon

    You are conflating the “Jews” (God’s chosen people) with the “JewISH” (Jew-LIKE, AKA-deceivers).

    This is a common mistake bourne from intentional deception. It is addressed in Titus 1:14.

    • Replies: @anon
  367. @Bliss

    He was complying with the law; He was violating the Pharisees interpretations of the law. Two different things.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Bliss
  368. L.A says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Just so you know: now there is a feed (“Robert Morgan’s Comments”) for your comments here on The Unz Review available on the news aggregator blog Goebbels Hub:

    http://theshitlordhub.blogspot.com/

  369. Before he became a regular here at Unz, Dinh published his stuff at Counterpunch. The tone and style of his articles hasn’t changed much, except that his pre-Unz work doesn’t include the periodic detours into cartoonish negro bashing and bugged out Jew paranoia.

    So which one is the real Linh? Was he holding back before to bypass Counterpunch’s leftist editorial filters, or is his “race realism” a value added bonus feature for the benefit of his current audience and/or editor?

  370. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    > the “Jews” (God’s chosen people)

    Looks like you’ve swallowed hook, line, and sinker the Jewish fable that Jews are God’s Chosenites. This is a common mistake bourne from intentional deception. Now, three questions for you Jew-addled Rabbi-worshipers:

    1. Why can’t you consider your own kin/nation as “People of God, Chosen,” instead of the foreign Jews?

    2. Why can’t you source “spiritual blessings” from your own kin/nation, rather than out-sourcing them to the foreign Jews?

    3. Why can’t you find “salvation” among your own kin/nation, rather than out-sourcing it to the Jews?

  371. @anon

    The error you’re making is called projection.
    You’re assuming that Christians actually hate Jews.

    • Replies: @anon
  372. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @kerdasi amaq

    Who cares? In an argument of a Jewish Rabbi vs. other Jew Rabbis, why are you even taking sides?

  373. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @kerdasi amaq

    The error you’re making is writing non sequiturs. Neither of your reply’s sentences follow anything in the comment. Is that a tactic to distract from my line of questioning?

  374. Truth says:
    @anon

    Two questions before I answer:

    Did you read Titus 1:14?

    You seem somewhat angry about this, why?

    • Replies: @anon
  375. Anounder says:

    How come athecucks don’t read recent history books by historians who studied their subjects extensively?

    >biblical scholars said the world is flat

    Do you even read books by non-fringe historians or just redditor memes? It was said since Antiquity that we live on a sphere. Do you think Columbus was right in his arguments against detractors too (he wasn’t, he maintained he could reach India)?

    • Replies: @anon
  376. @Jeff Stryker

    Having no hope for the future is a real killer.

    Seems to me that certain white ethnic groups (Scots Irish) are hit with the hopelessness worse than others.

    In fact, being part Celtic myself, I occasionally feel these pangs of hopelessness. Luckily it seems that my other white DNAs balance it out. I don’t know what causes it. Small families, lack of community, too many foreigners, chemtrails… I have no idea. But something is killing us. Even this morning, at Tim Horton’s… I saw a white guy and a hot wife, with 4 beautiful children. But the guy looked depressed, and out of it. Maybe on drugs. His wife seemed better but was dishevelled.

    My personal theory is that having aliens around is highly damaging to the psyche of the Celtic ethnicities. I’m not totally sure why. But I can feel quite a different energy that comes from aliens as opposed to whites. The more of them you have together, the stronger you feel it. Perhaps the Celts are more in tune with this.

    Alot of whites are still doing well. In Canada we’re doing better than in the USA. However there is clearly a growing white underclass, who are frankly disgusting. I want to have sympathy for them but they just disgust me. Perhaps this doesn’t help them; being totally rejected by every other white for their failures.

  377. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    No, you never will. You’re too much a coward to answer, hence your juvenile deflections.

    • Replies: @Truth
  378. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anounder

    > athecucks

    Hmm, interesting insult, but I’d like some clarification. Are you saying the cuck·olded carpenter Joseph was an athe·ist?

    It’s funny that the biggest of Jew-worshiping holidays celebrates the cuckolding of a husband. A culture that accepts that Jewish storytelling as its holiest of holidays will accept any perversion, and has. The West has been Christcucked to Death.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  379. Bliss says:

    Seems to me that certain white ethnic groups (Scots Irish) are hit with the hopelessness worse than others.

    Barack Obama is half scots irish and was raised by his scots irish mother and grandparents. His presidential campaign slogan was:

    However there is clearly a growing white underclass, who are frankly disgusting. I want to have sympathy for them but they just disgust me. Perhaps this doesn’t help them; being totally rejected by every other white for their failures.

    What kind of racist does that make you?

  380. Bliss says:
    @anon

    Jesus himself stubbornly insisting that Jesus taught Judaism.

    Judaism is strictly, intolerantly monotheist. A Son of God is inconceivable, a blasphemy in Judaism. You can repeat your BS till you are blue in the face but it won’t change the fact that the Gospel of Jesus is incompatible with Judaism.

    Nor is Judaism world-denying, is it? Quite the opposite. So how the hell do you manage to equate it with the Gospel of Jesus? And what does your hate filled obsession with Jesus and Mary have to do with the Global Dimming/Warming Apocalypse?

    • Replies: @anon
  381. Truth says:
    @anon

    So i’m a coward for not answering a question, bit you aren’t?

  382. Anounder: ” It was said since Antiquity that we live on a sphere. ”

    Said by the pagan pre-Christian Greeks, but denied by Christians such as Lactantius, advisor to the first Christian emperor Constantine and tutor to the emperor’s children. He insisted that the Earth was flat. Christian emperor Theodosius went on to declare even the possession of pagan literature that might have contradicted this view a crime punishable by death. The idea of a flat Earth was also endorsed by Augustine, and Dio Chrysostom, among others. It can’t be denied that numerous Bible passages suggest the idea that the Earth is flat, and as none mention a spherical Earth, the error of these “respectable” Bible scholars is understandable. It was more theologically useful for Christians to preach that the Earth is flat and the center of all creation than to teach that it is just one of billions of planets in a universe full of them.

    • Replies: @Johnny A. Arate
  383. anon[396]: “True, that Holy Horde of Jewish Zombies roamed the streets of Jerusalem before Zombie Jesus.”

    The presence of obvious lies such as that of the zombie apocalypse told in Matthew 27:53 makes every word of the Gospels suspect. Certainly the accounts given there can’t be used as proof of anything, even of Jesus’ existence. Here’s Dr. Carrier demolishing a couple of “respectable” Bible scholars on the historicity of Jesus.

  384. @Bliss

    Thank you for your statements, which suggest to me universal love.
    They contain much wisdom.

    In one respect a very timely question. As we speak, the yuan is crashing against the dollar (about 7.2 yuan/USD). President Brinkman has hiked tariffs on $550b of Chinese goods by 5%. Says he regrets escalating, while WH spokeswoman says he regrets not escalating more. Chief editor of the Global Times, main Chinese press outlet, says the Chinese have prepared the worst to come. Not to mention 20,000 gendarmes in Shenzhen poised to put down rebellion in Hong Kong, financial link to the West. Chaos on both sides of the earth.

    While showing signs of stress currently, it is still too early to say if the atheistic Chinese Communist system will fail. China is young (about 70 years old, roughly the number of years when Communist Russia failed.) China has survived longer than the Soviet atheists did, possibly because of adopting a more capitalist economy. The hazard of this advantage is debt; Chinese banks are loaded with it (almost as badly as European banks) compounded by phantom real estate values (like the US in 2007). China may be looking at a near term debt and trade-based financial shock.

    Meanwhile, war pressures mount in the South China Sea. All sides–China, Taiwan, US, Japan, S. Korea–are ramping up forces, with the US addition of medium range missiles. Could the Chinese Communist system withstand a combined financial and military shock any better than the Soviets did? Much too early to tell. A civilization can go centuries before being mortally tested.

    China and Russia rightly judge ‘Murika to be a paper tiger devouring itself from within. The appearance of domination means little. A bloated budget and citizens, a military that can’t win wars, a currency which may lose reserve status (hence exploding gold prices), daily grinding strife and antagonism between citizens and interest groups, national media and other bodies attempting to delegitimize the government: all are signs of declining power.

    Furthermore, a nation that cannot defend its own borders or even value them has consigned itself to oblivion. Rampant idolatry, militarism, dishonesty, and immorality of every sort–these belie any theism claimed by the developed nations. Sad to say for the nation I still love, America is the noble experiment that failed.

  385. Bliss says:
    @kerdasi amaq

    He was complying with the law; He was violating the Pharisees interpretations of the law. Two different things.

    BS. Jesus was violating the Laws of Moses. The Pharisees didn’t make those Laws. Jesus overruled Moses.

  386. @SeekerofthePresence

    China is young (about 70 years old

    Sorry, meant to say, “Communist China is young (about 70 years old….”

  387. Bliss says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    America is the noble experiment that failed.

    How has it failed? It is still #1 in hard power, soft power, financial power, cultural power, language power and perhaps even in religion power (think how Pentecostalism has spread around the globe).

  388. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    > Judaism is strictly, intolerantly monotheist.

    LOL! Ya think??? Let’s see if Rabbi Jewsus differs from that….

    • Then Jesus said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘you shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him ONLY.’” (Matthew 4:10)
    • Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our GOD IS ONE Lord. (Mark 12:29)

    > A Son of God is inconceivable

    Where did Rabbi Jewsus ever call himself that? Hmm? Do tell! They’ll probably put you on national radio if you can find it! Nobody else can — except those who believe in make-believe.

    If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?
    https://www.npr.org/2014/04/07/300246095/if-jesus-never-called-himself-god-how-did-he-become-one

    You need to go back and read the Jew Testament first before making silly claims about what Rabbi Jewsus said.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  389. @Bliss

    As Madison Ave says,
    “Past performance no guarantee of future results.”

    Or as de Toqueville said,
    “America is great because America is good.”

    If ‘Murika ceases to be good, will she retain greatness?

  390. Bliss says:
    @anon

    Where did Rabbi Jewsus ever call himself that? Hmm? Do tell! They’ll probably put you on national radio if you can find it! Nobody else can — except those who believe in make-believe.

    A stupid bluff. Read and weep:

    Do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?‘ (John 10:36).

    Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live (John 5:25).

    But when Jesus heard this, he said, “This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it (John 11:4).

    And the high priest answered and said to him, ‘I adjure you by the living God that you tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.’ Jesus said to him, ‘It is as you said’ (Matthew 26:63,64).

    The Jews insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God” (John 19:7).

    • Replies: @anon
  391. Adûnâi says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I tend to agree with Richard Carrier, but there are certain arguments for the historicity of the Gospels. Dale B. Martin points to two such cases.

    1. INRI – all four Gospels use its variation, with its being no sacral title. A counterargument might be made that this is an in-text reference to an earlier mocking title by the in-text Romans.

    2. John the Baptist – this character’s existence makes little sense if Jesus had been made up from the beginning. Carrier does posit that although that is true, Jesus did not start as a god/son of a god but merely an [equally unhistorical, obviously,] angel. How Carrier explains John the Baptist I do not know.

    Of course, Carrier is right in that it’s not just the Gospels that can’t be trusted, it’s the earlier Pauline Epistles that can be – and they are positive about Jesus’ being a heavenly figure whose entire crucifixion had not happened on Earth.

  392. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Thanks, doc! I couldn’t take the competing pious fictions known as the Gospels as historical after reading Gospel Fictions by Randel Helms, 1988.It is very obvious that the varied stories are fabrications, with competing theologies, and blatant attempts to correct the other wrong gospel(s). The text can be borrowed online at Archive.org here: https://archive.org/details/gospelfictions00helm_0/

  393. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Like I said, Jesus never calls himself God. You haven’t quoted anything to the contrary. Keep swinging and missing.

  394. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    The Majority view among the Greek pagans was that the Earth was flat

    Several pre-Socratic philosophers believed that the world was flat: Thales (c. 550 BC) according to several sources,[29] and Leucippus (c. 440 BC) and Democritus (c. 460–370 BC) according to Aristotle.[30][31][32]

    Thales thought the Earth floated in water like a log.[33] It has been argued, however, that Thales actually believed in a round Earth.[34][35] Anaximander (c. 550 BC) believed the Earth was a short cylinder with a flat, circular top that remained stable because it was the same distance from all things.[36][37] Anaximenes of Miletus believed that “the Earth is flat and rides on air; in the same way the Sun and the Moon and the other heavenly bodies, which are all fiery, ride the air because of their flatness.”[38] Xenophanes of Colophon (c. 500 BC) thought that the Earth was flat, with its upper side touching the air, and the lower side extending without limit.[39]

    Belief in a flat Earth continued into the 5th century BC. Anaxagoras (c. 450 BC) agreed that the Earth was flat,[40] and his pupil Archelaus believed that the flat Earth was depressed in the middle like a saucer, to allow for the fact that the Sun does not rise and set at the same time for everyone.[41]

    Augustine does not deny the idea of a round Earth but explicitly describes the Earth as a globe in his writings.

    https://jameshannam.com/flatearth.htm

    You really should read more carefully.

    • Replies: @anon
  395. @anon

    False historical argument : all economists agree that the lowest point for the Roman Empire in terms of economics and subsistence was the 3rd century AD. The advent of Christianity gave the Western Roman empire an unexpected period of survival of about one century and a half, like an elederly patient supposed to have died of cancer and having miraculously survived it thanks to the very energy of some new-discovered faith for about 20 years up to ultimate dotage (observers in that time made the observation in that exact term : senescit imperium). As for the Eastern Empire, which was in an even sadder state, as the bygone country of Greece having lost independence to Rome, Christianity made it in a stronger and more united state than it had ever been even under Pericles and Alexander. Not even a survival into a good old age but a real rebirth into something unheard of.

    • Replies: @anon
  396. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    You seem unfamiliar with burial practices at the time. Bodies were kept in above ground chambers to decay before their final burial. It is likely that the verse refers to the fresher bodies in one of these chambers that were brought back to life. Again, you really should do more reading on the subject, then you wouldn’t be taken in so easily by frauds like Carrier.
    https://christian-apologist.com/2017/10/01/a-fifteen-point-christian-response-to-richard-carrier/

    • Replies: @anon
  397. Johnny A. Arate: “It is likely that the verse refers to the fresher bodies in one of these chambers that were brought back to life.”

    O ye of little faith!

    What makes you think the bodies had to be fresh? Can it be that you are unaware that the power of Jesus magically deodorizes decaying zombies, as well as bringing them back to life?

    “Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.”
    – John 11:39

    • Replies: @Johnny A. Arate
    , @anon
  398. Johnny A. Arate: “The Majority view among the Greek pagans was that the Earth was flat”

    I’m not sure how you can make an assertion about the majority view, since Christians burned most of the ancient literature and all of the libraries, with particular attention to those philosophers who contradicted their religious doctrines. While it is true that the idea of a spherical Earth wasn’t universally accepted, some pre-Christian Greeks had been asserting that the Earth was a sphere since the time of Pythagoras in the 6th century BC. In the third century BC, Aristarchus of Samos even preceded Copernicus by proposing a heliocentric theory. His contemporary, Eratosthenes, accurately measured the Earth’s circumference.

    “Augustine does not deny the idea of a round Earth but explicitly describes the Earth as a globe in his writings.”

    At least one noted scholar of St. Augustine says you’re wrong, writing:

    “[Augustine] was familiar with the Greek theory of a spherical Earth, nevertheless, (following in the footsteps of his fellow North African, Lactantius), he was firmly convinced that the Earth was flat, was one of the two biggest bodies in existence and that it lay at the bottom of the universe. Apparently Augustine saw this picture as more useful for scriptural exegesis than the global Earth at the centre of an immense universe.”
    – Leo Ferrari, “Rethinking Augustine’s Confessions, Thirty Years of Discoveries”, Religious Studies and Theology (2000)

    • Replies: @Johnny A. Arate
    , @Anounder
  399. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Francis Miville

    The Jew-worship two-step; 1. anything good happens, credit their Jew-worship cult. 2. anything bad happens, credit to the lack of their Jew-worship cult. Speaking of false historical argument! LOL

    • Replies: @Anon
  400. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny A. Arate

    So Christian “divine revelation” isn’t any better than a contemporary pagan’s observation, I see! Thanks for that information! LOL

    • Replies: @Johnny A. Arate
  401. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny A. Arate

    > It is likely that the verse refers to the fresher bodies in one of these chambers that were brought back to life.

    Freshness! Oh definitely Kroger freshness counts when reanimating a whole Horde of Jewish Zombies! Fresher the better! TADA! Because if they had got a bit stale, all the Jew-magic gets used up too quickly in the magical zombie reanimation process.

    P.S. Now I better understand why the Jew Paul referred to you Jew-worshiping True Believers as nonsense-believing ignoble morons in 1 Co. 1:18-26, “For the message about the cross is nonsense…the nonsense of our preaching…Not many of you were wise by human standards…not many were noble…”

  402. @anon

    Right. New Covenant supports all your listed measures.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @anon
  403. @follyofwar

    Are you SURE that white men went to the moon 50 years ago? If so, why can’t this country do it again?

    Because the money for that was spent “right hear on Earth” as income to support urban areas, largely through social programs that had the effect of maintaining urban populations.

    Counterinsurgency

  404. @anon

    Your attempt at sarcasm reads as so very near the boundary of mental illness that I can’t tell which side of the boundary you are on. It doesn’t help your case.

    Counterinsurgency

  405. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I’m not sure how you can make an assertion about the majority view, since Christians burned most of the ancient literature and all of the libraries, with particular attention to those philosophers who contradicted their religious doctrines.

    A curious assertion, considering pagan philosophers were read freely in the Eastern Christian Empire and copies were made available to visiting diplomats and scholars. The vast majority of Greek texts in the west came from Byzantine sources, which is hard to square away with the notion that the church burned them all.

    At least one noted scholar of St. Augustine says you’re wrong

    And many more don’t. What’s your point?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  406. @anon

    Actually, considering the majority of Christians believed the earth was spherical, divine revelation is superior to pagan observation.

  407. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    What makes you think the bodies had to be fresh?

    The fact that it makes more sense to bring back the recently deceased as a prelude to Christ’s own resurrection.

  408. Anounder says:
    @anon

    Reminder that practicing atheists (which inclueds Protestants and LARPagans) have no solid opposition to mass immigration, faggotry, having Mulatto grandkids, etc. See the politics of Dawkins, Hitchens, Protestant churches with their women leaders and fag acceptance, etc.

  409. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Lazarus was stale, so he used up all of Jesus magical necromancy powers, so Jesus could only raise one body from the dead, at least until his vial of magical powers recharged. When the dead are freshly deceased, very little magical necromancy power is required, and more bodies can be resurrected.

    CHECKMATE ATHEIST! VAST DOLT!

    🙂

  410. @anon

    I already answered this in another reply, but it seems the best you can do is regurgitate Talmudic slanders against Christ. You claim to hate Jews while repeating all their words.

    • Agree: Bliss
  411. Anounder says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I’m not sure how you can make an assertion about the majority view, since Christians burned most of the ancient literature and all of the libraries, with particular attention to those philosophers who contradicted their religious doctrines.

    Enlightenment/New Athiest propaganda not respected by non-fringe professional historians. See:

    https://historyforatheists.com/2018/08/sam-harris-horrible-histories/

    [MORE]


    Whatever he thinks they were, Harris seems certain that their erosion led to “the Dark Ages”. Given that he goes on to talk about “Classical …. learning and philosophical insight” being preserved by Muslims, I think we can assume that his use of the term “the Dark Ages” refers to the loss of this Classical learning.

    As I have discussed here before, the idea that Christianity was uniformly hostile to this Classical learning is nonsense and the idea that it was lost mainly or even largely because of active Christian suppression or even deliberate Christian neglect is not sustainable. Whatever Classical learning Harris has read has been preserved thanks to a succession of Christian scholars and scribes and the material that was lost was because all texts – pagan or Christian – had the odds of survival stacked against them (see “The Lost Books of Photios’ Bibliotheca” for a more detailed discussion of this). Given the naïveté of his other comments, it is very likely Harris has absolutely no idea that, even in the “dark age” of the early medieval period, Alcuin of York swapped quotes from Ovid, Horace and Cicero with his fellow scholars, Abbo of Fleury cited Sallust and Virgil, Abbess Hroswitha of Gandersheim wrote plays in imitation of Terence and Irish monks returning from pilgrimage to Jerusalem played tourist in Egypt with ancient Greek works as their guides. Early medieval scholars preserved what had survived the wreckage of the collapse of the Western Empire and the loss of key works in Greek was due to a decline in Greek literacy in the western half of the Empire that began in the early third century and so pre-dated Christian dominance by at least a century.

    https://historyforatheists.com/2017/10/lost-books-photios-bibliotheca/

    What people like Nixey neglect to mention is the fact while some prominent clergy argued that the Bible and the works of the Church fathers were sufficient for a Christian’s education, others argued that all knowledge came ultimately from God and so “pagan” learning was a gift to be used. And the key point here is that these were the Christian authorities who won the debate over the use of non-Christian learning. It was not hardliners like Tertullian, Tatian or John Chrysostom who ended up setting the intellectual agenda for Christianity for the next 1000 years, it was the more liberal and open Justin Martyr, Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Basil of Alexandria and Gregory of Nazianzus. John of Damascus encouraged his readers to study “the best contributions of the philosophers of the Greeks” arguing that “whatever there is of good has been given to men from above by God, since ‘every best gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights’”(Philosophical Chapters, 1958,5). Similarly, Clement argued that philosophy was worth study because “[t]he way of truth is therefore one. But into it, as into a perennial river, streams flow from all sides.”(Stromata, I.5). Modern polemicists may sneer that these Patristic writers still saw philosophy as ancillary to or “the handmaiden” of theology, but that is essentially just condemning ancient people for not holding modern priorities. The fact remains that these were the authorities whose view prevailed, not the hardliners who the polemicists always highlight. Edward Grant makes the key point here:

    Did the Catholic Church hold back scientific and technological progress in the Middle Ages? from AskHistorians

    At least one noted scholar of St. Augustine says you’re wrong, writing:

    “[Augustine] was familiar with the Greek theory of a spherical Earth, nevertheless, (following in the footsteps of his fellow North African, Lactantius), he was firmly convinced that the Earth was flat, was one of the two biggest bodies in existence and that it lay at the bottom of the universe. Apparently Augustine saw this picture as more useful for scriptural exegesis than the global Earth at the centre of an immense universe.”
    – Leo Ferrari, “Rethinking Augustine’s Confessions, Thirty Years of Discoveries”, Religious Studies and Theology (2000)

    https://historyforatheists.com/2016/06/the-great-myths-1-the-medieval-flat-earth/

    “But, what about … ?”

    So that, you would think, settles that. But myths die hard and even those who are made aware of all the abundant evidence that this one is total bunk find ways to clutch at some straws. One such is to try to claim that while some or even most medieval scholars accepted that the earth was round, there were still a few who did not. And so it’s claimed that there was some kind of “dispute” over the issue. Some of those who try to argue along these lines point to assertions made in the Middle Ages about “the antipodes”, disputing that they exist. For example:

    “As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets on us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, there is no reason for believing it.” (Augustine, De Civitate Dei, XVI.9)

    In 748 AD Pope Zachary declared the belief “that beneath the earth there was another world and other men, another sun and moon” to be heretical and rejection of this antipodean world is found elsewhere in early medieval writings.

    But these are not references to any dispute about the shape of the earth. These writers are echoing a dispute between ancient philosophers about whether the other side of the round earth could have its own lands and inhabitants. This was disputed on the grounds that the equatorial region was considered so hot that it was impassible, though for Christian writers it was also considered impossible because they believed mankind had been created in the northern hemisphere (with Eden being in the region of Jerusalem) and then spread out from Mount Ararat after the Great Flood. So Noah’s descendants could not have passed the equator to populate the southern hemisphere and any lands which may be there would be uninhabited.

    Are you going to start listing notable qualified historians whose works are still respected by qualified historians.

  412. Anounder says:
    @Johnny A. Arate

    https://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/11/summa-origines-scientiarum-articulus-2.html

    The emergence of modern Science depends upon the development of natural laws and physical theories. But scholars must believe that natural laws are possible before they will look for them. Historically, obstacles to belief in the lawfulness of nature have included:

    1. Belief in a multitude of self-willed gods. No dependable laws of nature are possible if sundry gods might intervene in the world to contrary purposes. Venus overrules Mars or Poseidon countermands Hera. When inanimate objects – stars, trees, rivers – are creatures capable of aims, emotions, and desires, the search for scientific laws would be in vain. As Brian Stock writes, “[the Roman’s] daily experience led him to believe that nature’s forces could be imitated, even placated; he was less sure they could be understood” (Stock, 1978).

    2. Belief in the absolutely autonomy of God. When even the act of handwriting is ascribed to God’s direct intervention, “laws of nature” can be no more than “habits of God,” and the reasons for them cannot be comprehended. Therefore, the search for scientific laws would be in vain.

    3. Belief in an infinite sequence of cyclic universes. If the cosmos and its repetitive mutations are eternal, all possibilities must eventually come to be, and scientific “laws of nature” are at best temporary concatenations with no universal significance.

    The Greeks did not have such, regardless of how hard Anglos and/or Protestants try to force a connection with the Greeks.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  413. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Wrong. I read about your Jew Covenant. In a book called–get this!–“Hebrews.” It says “Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed.” Your Jew Covenant offers nothing but warmed-over Jewish leftovers, Jew-worshiper.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  414. Anounder says:
    @anon

    Shouldn’t you be praising the Soviet Union besides Stalin (who was among the less degenerate Soviets for forcing fags underground where they belong)?

  415. @Johnny A. Arate

    Could you guys post some of your references? It’s hard to follow what you’re talking about.

    Counterinsurgency

  416. @Bliss

    How has it failed? It is still #1 in hard power, soft power, financial power, cultural power, language power and perhaps even in religion power (think how Pentecostalism has spread around the globe).

    Two major breaches of the basic social compact:
    1) it destroyed the livelihood of the WW II generation and its descendants.
    2) it is engaged in genocide against the descendants off the WW II population by persecuting them and their religion and by importing foreigners who have displaced the descendants from the large cities and (under Obama) were planning to displace the descendants from the rural areas as well.

    In short the, America is destroying the body of the people who once comprised its citizenry. You don’t get a much bigger failure than that.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  417. @Anounder

    Majority of scientists believe in God or higher power according to Pew poll:

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  418. @Johnny A. Arate

    Isaiah indicates the earth is spherical:

    It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Is. 40:22 NKJV

    Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation, And let righteousness spring up together. I, the Lord, have created it. Is. 45:8 NKJV

  419. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    This is genuine curiosity: in all the time you have spent posting here or elsewhere, have you ever convinced anybody of anything?

  420. @Bliss

    Statement a bit short-sighted?

  421. @GeeBee

    He was self-evidently wrong because the USSR was not in the business of robbing the sweating coolies of the third world but had a standard of living comparable to the people Orwell was talking about/to.
    Modern China also is not living off the sweat of the black and brown races, but their standard of living is rapidly approaching or even in some cases exceeding that of the proletariat in the west. I have in mind that the Chinese on average, or so I have read, save/invest about a third of their income (to the annoyance of the financiers in the West). Last year about 150,000,000 of them (1 in 10) took a foreign holiday. That in spite of supporting a huge gaggle of billionaires and an allegedly vilely corrupt government!

    Orwell evidently underestimated the robbery performed by the western ruling classes. In fact their baleful influence and stealing hides the fact that given the necessary goodwill and organisation there is enough to go round.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  422. @SeekerofthePresence

    Scientists or scientists in the USA?

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  423. @Johnny A. Arate

    Actually, considering the majority of Christians believed the earth was spherical, divine revelation is superior to pagan observation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

    Eratosthenes
    Eratosthenes of Cyrene was a Greek mathematician, geographer, poet, astronomer, and music theorist. He was a man of learning, becoming the chief librarian at the Library of Alexandria. He invented the discipline of geography, including the terminology used today.Wikipedia
    Born:
    276 BC, Cyrene
    Died:
    194 BC, Alexandria
    Occupation:
    Scholar, Librarian, Poet, Inventor
    He also measured/calculated the circumference of the Earth to within a few %.

  424. @Johnny K. Arate

    Late reply: for some unknown reason, yours was put in spam and I just read it.

    No,I didn’t “fall for” any psyop. I studied Chinese (Asian Studies was my major) and I’d venture you aren’t well informed about zen. Not rootless either. I put down roots here. Don’t live like a king, but live comfortably. And “brown hellhole” this place certainly is not. Funny enough, I believe there are unfortunately too many of your sort on a worthwhile site that is becoming increasingly infested with ignorant bigots such as you likely are.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  425. @Montefrío

    Many years ago I used to read Confucius and Lao-Tzu, and would go up to the building roof at dawn to meditate.

    I was convinced by spiritual intuition of the One.

    Later on wondered if the One might actually be a Person.

    Always discounted that idea until a friend invited me to an Eastern Orthodox liturgy. For me it was a Eureka! moment–I have found it (Him).

    I still read haiku (Blythe’s volumes) and am very grateful for the Eastern classics which first pointed me to God.

    Basho by Hokusai

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  426. Johnny A. Arate: “The fact that it makes more sense to bring back the recently deceased as a prelude to Christ’s own resurrection.”

    What would make the most sense is to disbelieve Jewish fairy tales of corpses coming back to life. Nevertheless, Christians must believe that the dead come back to life, because as it says in 1 Corinthians 15:16-17:

    “16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile;…”

    So, whether the corpses were fresh or not-so-fresh, a Christian must believe the zombie apocalypse described in Matthew 27:53 really happened, despite the fact that no one in the real world noticed it, or recorded it. No wonder Jesus says, in Matthew 18:53, that adults must become as little children to join his cult. It takes a child’s level of credulity to believe any of this nonsense.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  427. @SeekerofthePresence

    Thanks! I’ve long believed that our individual “roads to the deep North” may find said North has an appearance different from that of others, but for so long as we’re on this earth, it’s the journey on that road that is what truly matters when there’s a transcendent destination.

    Haiku! My hobby. Since 1996, I’ve written 2593 of them, all in classic five-seven-five form. Ain’t no stoppin’ me now, heh heh.

    Zen for me is a simple daily practice of awareness in living one’s daily life. I suspect commenter Johnny K isn’t familiar with it, given that Leary was involved with Tibetan Buddhism and T. McKenna was a fan of South American shamanism and ayahuasca ( active ingredient dmt). Zen (and its “cousin” Taoism) suits me, while Eastern Orthodoxy suits you, but that doesn’t matter; what matters is that we’ve both found a Way that does and we are fortunate in that respect.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  428. Carax says:

    “Christianity doesn’t provide solace or guidance, but is a road map to ruin….”

    Whoever wrote this knows zero about the Doctrine of Jesus Christ. about how Christianity developed 2000 years ago, how it split around 95 AD-200 AD into two camps, Antioch texts and Alexandrian texts. It just ignorantly takes the current corrupted Big Religion Business in the West to attack Christianity in broad swipes.

    “… white Christians have been invading, inviting and remaking the world for several centuries,”

    This is absolute nonsense. The Dutch East India Co. for instance. Were they “Christians”? The empire builders like Britain who stole natural resources from the third-worlders were NOT real Christians.

    • Replies: @anon
  429. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carax

    > NOT real Christians.

    Your logical fallacy is “No True Christian.”

    No True Scotsman
    (also known as: appeal to purity [form of], no true Christian)
    https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/135/No_True_Scotsman

  430. Declane says:
    @follyofwar

    “but his passage about those Catholic monks being trampled to death by the Third World mob they are trying to welcome could not be more spot on.”

    Linh Dihn IS the Third World mob.

    • Replies: @Talha
  431. Talha says:
    @Declane

    The dude lives in Vietnam. So now you have to try to shame him about living in the same country he was born in?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  432. @foolisholdman

    there is enough to go round.

    No, there isn’t.

    Counterinsurgency

  433. @Montefrío

    Thanks so much. Have tried my hand very falteringly at haiku–very tough to make them work in English.

    One came to me while reading your lovely comment–

    To the Cosmic One,

    Believe His name is Jesus,

    Who brings life from stone.

    Don’t know if you’ve sought to publish your work, but it would be most refreshing to see some haiku on UR!

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  434. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Think you may have forgotten one vital historical record of the resurrection:

    3D Image of the Crucified Christ at the Moment of Resurrection / Shroud of Turin

    https://www.shroud.com/ : Much to explore.

    • Replies: @anon
  435. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Fake News.

    …in 1988, scientists carbon-dated the shroud’s origins to between A.D. 1260 and 1390, supporting claims that it is merely a hoax…these cannot be real bloodstains from a person who was crucified and then put into a grave, but actually handmade by the artist that created the shroud…

    Shroud of Turin Is a Fake, Bloodstains Suggest
    https://www.livescience.com/63093-shroud-of-turin-is-fake-bloodstains.html

    Get used to disappointment.

  436. @anon

    Thanks for the link.

    I believe several studies have debunked the attempted carbon dating debunking in 1988: it was apparently done on a bad sample of the cloth.

    Your boy, Dr. Matteo Borrini, leader of the forensic blood examination mentioned in the link, is an interesting character, literally. To me he looks like a cross between a satanist and Charlie Chan, an image suited to the roles he had in several movies:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiw_MCngqfkAhVikuAKHWCdC4EQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ljmu.ac.uk%2Fabout-us%2Fstaff-profiles%2Ffaculty-of-science%2Fnatural-sciences-and-psychology%2Fmatteo-borrini&psig=AOvVaw22HfcS7BzbFuIxEZelpy9b&
    ust=1567131606370084

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjfovHxgqfkAhWhY98KHYlwC-8QjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ljmu.ac.uk%2Fabout-us%2Fnews%2Ffeatures%2Fdebunking-psychic-abilities&psig=AOvVaw22HfcS7BzbFuIxEZelpy9b&ust=1567131606370084

    • Replies: @anon
  437. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    “Bad sample” meaning the sample’s results weren’t in line with your make-believe fantasies? It appears you also fervently believe that mimicking a Dana Carvey Church Lady comedy routine from Saturday Night Live is a legitimate “argument” against forensic evidence.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  438. @Talha

    Why should white western Christians bother listening to some third worlder lecture them into being ashamed of their past? White Christians conquered the world while his people were living in grass huts.

    Take a look at this:

    Convinced that they’re always the good guys and carriers of light, white Christians have been invading, inviting and remaking the world for several centuries,

    Pure Marxist anti-colonial propaganda meant to tarnish the glory of our Western culture and heritage and make us put the brown savage on a pedestal.

    The fact is Christian exploration and Western colonialism were the best things to ever happen to these people.

    http://www.web.pdx.edu/~gilleyb/2_The%20case%20for%20colonialism_at2Oct2017.pdf

    Dinh’s article reeks of jealousy. Christianity propelled the Western Man to unprecedented heights, while his own people where stuck picking rice. So he blames Christianity for the problems created by secularization and (badly) misinterprets several novels in the process.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Talha
  439. @SeekerofthePresence

    Good one! Here’s a little tip: don’t work at writing a haiku, just let it write itself, so to speak, by which I mean allow spontaneity to flow. Here’s one I wrote ten days ago that treats of that.

    Please! Just quiet down!
    Stimulus? It’s all within;
    Nothing need come out.

    I don’t believe believe UR would be welcoming to haiku, particularly given its relatively recent drift toward identity politics. In fact, here’s a haiku that just came to me with respect to this:

    Jews everywhere!
    Whatever are we to do?
    Forget about it.

    Obsessing over any topic is not conducive to peace of mind. I’d rather walk around the orchard and observe the progress of the newly budding trees. One of the plum trees is a bit late this year. Hmmm.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  440. Talha says:
    @Pierre Papier

    Why should white western Christians bother listening

    You shouldn’t, why are you reading his articles?

    And the rest of your post is basically reinforcing Mr. Dinh’s quote. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion – and as a (presumably) White Christian, it totally makes sense – but one should ask the third world what their opinion on the subject is since they were on the receiving end of Western civilization.

    Obviously, the Vietnamese were not interested in Western man’s civilization being imported by the means of thousands of young men with guns and tanks.

    Ain’t nothing wrong with picking rice; it’s an honest way to earn a livelihood.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  441. @Montefrío

    Thank you for the lovely haiku–encouraging and refreshing.

    Zen has got to be a great remedy for the brain disorder of identity politics.

    Your haiku do have the spirit of Zen, a pleasure to see.
    Expect you have done quite a lot of meditating.

    I will work at not working at writing;
    Then hopefully forget about working.

    A noted psychologist said a human gift was the ability to forget.
    I always liked Mr. Spock’s direct approach…

    Would love to see more of your work on UR despite the politics.
    Unpolitical Zeniferous air is like ozone, good for the soul.

    P.S. In “Irresistible California,” Linh cites his remarkable poem, “Grays Ferry,” about the struggle of art and putting one’s life on the line.

  442. @anon

    Your second criticism is partly correct. For some unknown reason the site posted my comment before it was half finished. Hence the appearance of an ad hominem argument. Never cared for such, because while it may point to weak evidence, it does not disprove said evidence. That disproof was to be the second half of my post, which is before you now.

    The debunking of Borrini’s experiment is straightforward:

    “And it is an obvious and foreseeable conclusion, since the experiment was not ethically correct and is methodologically flawed: it put in comparison two different substances (blood added with an anticoagulant, in a lab), two different surfaces for the dripping (a clean body, devoid of tumefactions, wounds, and lacerations, in a lab) while overlooking important variables that may have altered the blood direction, like the outflow speed, people having touched the body of the Shroud’s Man after his death, his being wrapped in the same linen cloth, his foreseeable jerky movements during the suffered tortures, etc.”

    https://www.uccronline.it/eng/2018/07/20/shroud-of-turin-false-bloodstains-the-only-falsehood-is-the-new-study/

    The debunking of your first point about the 1988 carbon dating is equally decisive in dozens of studies on https://www.shroud.com/ .

    • Replies: @anon
  443. @Talha

    Obviously, the Vietnamese were not interested in Western man’s civilization being imported by the means of thousands of young men with guns and tanks.

    Ngo Dinh Diem and the South Vietnamese were very interested. It was the communist agitators funded by the USSR who objected. Funny how all these “anti-colonial” movements are instigated by foreign powers and NGOs.

    • Replies: @Talha
  444. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    So the only way to do “ethically correct” forensic science is with dead bodies with exactly the same wounds? LOL! Your science denial tactic is conjuring “impossible expectations.” And your alleged “debunking” of carbon dating science is equally dubious, as are your stupid excuses how the publish comment button got pushed and how you really didn’t mean your stupid ad hominem attacks. Next, you’ll pull a Slick Willy and start parsing what the meaning of “is” is.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  445. Talha says:
    @Pierre Papier

    LOL! And the South wasn’t supported by foreigners? Are you joking?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  446. @anon

    Of your many hysterical rebuttals this may be the weakest.

    You really need to up your game: scientific, evidentiary, historical, Biblical, and last but not least, truthfulness.

    You are way out of your depth on all counts.
    The main datum you attempted to foist on readers was Matteo Borrini, actor in such film classics as “Vampire Legend” and “Vampire Forensics.” (Thought you didn’t have a vampire fetish.)

    The strawman experiment by your ethics-challenged advocate was on the level of a high school prank. If this is your standard of argument, besides your incessant horsefly insults, you need to finish high school and learn how to think, reason, and learn. Once you have graduated, you may then resume writing, once you have learned to have at least the smallest grain of respect for your readers.

    End of transmission….

    • Replies: @anon
  447. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:

    By the time Jesus came around, Israel did not exist anymore. He lived in Judea and not Israel.
    The first time that Jews are mentioned in the Bible, they are at war with the Nation of Israel. Go look it up, they were at loggerheads all the time.

    The “Jewish religion” was corrupted early on.
    I made it a point to highlight Jesus comments addressed to the “Jews” and specifically the Pharisees. The Gospels are full of arguments against the Jews, including calling of names. (Snakes, whitewashed tombs, children of satan…..etc).

  448. @Talha

    Of course it was. They welcomed western support. That was my point. It’s hypocritical of you to claim that the Vietnamese didn’t want Western ideas and concepts when both sides were actively co-operating with foreigners.

    • Replies: @Talha
  449. Talha says:
    @Pierre Papier

    Well, one side won – so which side represents the majority of the Vietnamese? I think the Vietnamese should get to decide that. They are after all, Vietnamese. Unless you think…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  450. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > You are way out of your depth on all counts.

    You’re projecting, Church Lady.

  451. @Commentator Mike

    Commentator Mike: I agree with you. You have good knowledge and balance and clearly know much more than the others.

  452. @anon

    Ifyou researched a little more you would havetaken note of the many fires and how smoke affects carbon dating. There are many more issues. I guess you are familiar with the pollen found in the shroud and I guess you can tell us about 50 other things or do you just rely on your skimpy Christian hating sites and friends and come up with the standard answers.
    Leftists do this. They take what the mainstream media relates and declare it truth.

    There are hundreds of papers and dozens of good books on the Shroud of Turin. Read and research first before giving the standard carbon dating of 1200s-1300s. Tell us about the fires.
    Read what many Israeli researchers have to say about Shroud authenticity.

    • Replies: @anon
  453. @Talha

    Well, one side won

    Because the American effort was sabotaged from the inside.

    – so which side represents the majority of the Vietnamese?

    The interests of the North Vietnamese did not represent South Vietnam.

    https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-vietnam-war-revisited/

    • Replies: @Talha
  454. Talha says:
    @Pierre Papier

    The interests of the North Vietnamese did not represent South Vietnam.

    OK, but the Viet Cong were specifically a South Vietnamese organization – why do you say they didn’t represent the voice of the South Vietnamese?

    I mean, one of the most famous photographs of that war was Buddhist monk lighting himself on fire to protest the South Vietnamese government’s policies regarding Buddhists.

    That was a good article, and maybe it’s right and we could have had another perpetual border standoff like South/North Korea until our overseas empire collapses.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Lost american
  455. @Talha

    How do you arrive at the VC being a specific South Vietnamese group? Tell me the structure of the VietMinh organization. Tell me who runs it. I want you to also tell me the distance from Saigon to the Cambodian border where VC and NVA discussed issues and outfitted themselves (how stupid to fight a war where the enemy has a sanctuary in the border states).
    Most Americans know little to nothing about the Vietnam War. They get all their information from the mainstream media which makes up stories and uses their opinions as facts. Our college students back in the 60s were just as ignorant as students today.
    These leftists in New York never said boo about Israelis dropping WP on innocent Palestinians but hundreds of thousands of these smug “activists” were out there saying our troops were murderers.
    These activists were well protected. Noam Chomsky could hide behind MIT and the media always protected Chomsky . Chomsky enjoyed his celebrity status. These activists never said anything about Israel stealing Palestinian land and killing anyone who got in the way.
    I told people I knew to stay out of Vietnam because they didn’t care about us, the servicemen. We were expendable. But my friends didn’t want to serve anywhere-not in Germany, Fort Dix, anywhere. Most Americans then and now were lazy and self serving. The media had a big effect. Today we have the trash like Kimmel, Maher, and all the other smug know it alls. Garbage like these smug clowns get on a TV and people believe them.

    I am proud to be affiliated with the Armed Forces.
    I will NEVER forgive these protestors because they liked being in the public’s eye. It was cool to degrade American service members. These protestors ould have not been out in any appreciable numbers if there was not a draft. The draft and being cool led to all the publicity and hate.

    Tell me about the purges in North Vietnam authorized by Uncle Ho. Tell me about Ho’s heroes like Trotsky (real last name Bronfman) who simplty told his Red Army in 1918 thereafter to “do what you have to do” if villagers don’t get in line with Communism. Ho Chi did the same thing.

    The USA interefered in the vote in the 1950s and the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag and because of that over 58,000 of our best citizens perished. These were good men and today our dull popu;ation is amused by the cowards and the smug that are on TV shows. Idiot nation and media are dangerous self serving leftists.
    I hope Trump stays firm and doesn’t let the arrogant, spoiled media destroy the country more than they already have.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anarchyst
  456. Talha says:
    @Lost american

    Look, I don’t like Communism and I want it nowhere near running any country I’m living in. But as far as your questions; I’m no expert but I thought it was fairly well known that the Viet Cong were rebels from the South supported by the North and from outside in order to unify Vietnam:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Viet-Cong

    I’m not saying I think they were awesome guys, just that they obviously had a voice in the matter being from the South.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  457. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lost american

    Your “contamination by smoke” excuse-making is debunked here. Remember, read and research first. 🙂

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating_of_the_Shroud_of_Turin#Contamination_by_smoke

  458. anarchyst says:
    @Lost american

    Thank you for your concise comments.

    A military “draft” would help to put a stop to many of our present “wars” almost all of which ARE fought for the benefit of “poor little Israel”–not the USA.

    The pendulum has swung the other way when it comes to honoring the American military. In fact, it is us Vietnam veterans who have sworn to NEVER again allow the American military to be disrespected by those who didn’t or wouldn’t serve…

    As a product of and participant in the Vietnam war, having extensive knowledge of the Vietnam situation, atrocities by American troops were extremely rare.

    My Lai was a horrible, sickening display of out-of-control American troops, which should have resulted in many more prosecutions, but atrocities by the communists were much more frequent, and never reported by the American mainstream media.

    Look up the communist massacre at Duc Duc in 1971. The communists not only slaughtered the occupants of the village, but tortured men, women and children as well. I’ll bet that you and most others have never heard of it. There were many other instances of communist atrocities throughout the South.

    MEDCAPS were “medical civic action programs” in which medical treatment, inoculations and other preventive measures were rendered to Vietnamese civilians by American Navy corpsmen, Army medics and doctors. There were cases where, after the Americans vacated the village, the VC would come in and murder those who received inoculations and medical treatment–men, women, children–it did not matter to them. Cooperating with Americans would result in maiming and even slaughter by those espousing a “communist paradise”.

    As to disrespect of returning veterans, blaming those who are sent off to war is NEVER right. Yes, we have a voluntary military force, but those who serve DO sign on the dotted line “for up to and including one’s life”.

    It is interesting to note, that when the military draft was abolished, the protests stopped. The “anti-war protesters” cared not one wit about the plight of the Vietnamese people, but were only concerned about one thing–saving their own skins.

    Even present-day “uber-patriot” rick-and-roller Ted Nugent got in on the “game”, defecating and urinating on himself and not washing for a month before reporting for induction. He was sent home. He later declared that Vietnam was “not his war”.

    These same “anti-war” protesters were totally silent when the Vietnamese boat people started escaping their “communist paradise” in droves, risking life and limb in the process. I, for one will NEVER have respect for those “anti-war protesters.

  459. anarchyst says:
    @Talha

    You are mistaken.

    After the TET 1968 debacle, the Viet Cong infrastructure was decimated. It became necessary for North Vietnam to send troops to the South in order to continue the conflict.

    The Vietnam war was not a civil-war but was an INVASION by the communist North Vietnamese, who wanted control of the whole country.

    The INVASION was allowed to continue when American troops left and South Vietnamese troops were not resupplied.

    Those who have watched the Ken Burns’ schlockumentary on Vietnam, in which he built up the North Vietnamese while exacting harsh criticism (lies) about American and South Vietnamese troops were exposed to Burns’ lies and fabrications.

    Of course, to his credit, Burns let it slip that the re-education camps contrary to communist claims (actually prisons) would be in operation for approximately six months after the war was over, it turns out that many former South Vietnamese were detained for as long as twenty years.

    Post-war Vietnam was so wonderful, tens of thousands of boat people risked life and limb to escape that communist paradise [silence].

    Ask the Vietnamese who live in garden Grove and Westminster California what they think…

  460. @TKK

    You describe well what’s happening to our people.

    But the bit about about college debt deterring Americans from having children is merely a very widely believed myth.
    Millions of people get through college in the USA with little to no debt.

    First, people who pick private universities that they know they cannot afford, have themselves (and their parents) to blame, not an unfair society or the government or the banks or such nonsense.

    It isn’t rocket science:
    First, attend a state gov university as an in-state resident.

    Live with family at least for a couple years if possible, rather than shelling out tens of thousands of borrowed dollars on a dorm or apt.

    Attend a community college for the first two years if necessary to get costs down further, then transfer to a costlier four-year institution.

    Banks and the gov screw us all the time, but with college debt we simply screw ourselves — unnecessarily.

    See the book “Debt Free U” by Zack Bissonnette.

    There’s a new book on debt-free college by Anthony O’Neal, but I haven’t looked at that yet.

    In short, fear of college debt is not even a slight legitimate “reason” not to have children in the USA today.

    As for kids not being able to get good jobs, yes, it seems likely that many current job types will be drastically reduced by automation and by AI. So the solution is to let your family die out and the next generation of your people and nation be even more outnumbered, persecuted, and tormented? Doesn’t follow.

  461. @ken

    Which you haven’t shown to be wrong in this regard.

  462. @anonymous coward

    Are you referring to the large, old church that is controlled by homosexuals and agitates for endless settlement and subsidy of third worlders in my country?

  463. @Dumbo

    Ireland also runs quite counter to your thesis. Couldn’t get much more loyally catholic than the republic of Ireland and they are utterly debauched, anti-family, anti-Christian and demoralized now.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  464. @RadicalCenter

    Irish nationalism was infiltrated by Marxists decades ago, and Ireland’s Catholic culture was specifically undermined by the British-owned press.

    https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2017/06/11/irelands-white-dispossession-began-decades-ago-at-hands-of-judeo-masonic-forces/

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  465. @Talha

    Thoroughly agree with your comment about genetic-dead-end monks, and would extend that lament to RC priests.

    It’s unwise and unnatural to be led or guided by men who lack the emotional/psychological maturity, real-life experience, sacrifices and rewards of marriage and fatherhood.

    It also seems foolish to dictate that men who are ostensibly intelligent, thoughtful, striving to be godly, and well versed in scripture and related centuries of writing, die without issue. Shouldn’t we want such men’s genes and values and character propagated into future generations?

    The approach of Protestant Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is more logical and wholesome here than the RC approach.

  466. @Pierre Papier

    I’ll gladly read that and learn.

    But it seems that the RC church didn’t need any help disgusting and alienating the Irish — like the rest of us — with their widespread financial corruption, rampant homosexuality among the clergy, and molestation of minors.

    The British, for example, didn’t cause my family to leave the RC church. The church’s own persistent conduct and lying did that.

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