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Though no millennial metrosexual, I sleep next to my laptop, and this morning, an email came from a Japanese literary journal, Monkey, to ask me to name a short story I wish I had written. Editor Motoyuki Shibata also requested a one-hundred word explanation, which I promptly knocked out while sipping an Earl Grey at my kitchen table. Done, I had a breakfast of spaghetti with tomato sauce, SPAM, salami and chunks of cheddar cheese. You had to see it.

Though I immediately thought of Borges, Kafka and even Walser, I decided on Hemingway’s “The Sea Change,” a rather obscure yet groundbreaking story about a man losing his girlfriend to a woman. It’s most pertinent to our time. As with “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber,” “The End of Something,” “A Very Short Story” or The Sun Also Rises, etc., macho Hemingway is dealing with male impotence. “The Sea Change,” though, is his most succinct, radical, funny and prophetic treatment of the theme.

The breaking up couple sit in a Parisian café. Exasperated, he bitches, “I don’t have it my own way. I wish to God I did.”

She replies, “You did for a long time.”

Later, he threatens violence towards his unseen, lesbian rival, “I’ll kill her.”

Calmly, she counsels, “Please don’t.”

As they argue, two men enter and fuss with the bartender over looking well or gaining weight. Queer talk, basically. Joining them at the bar after his girlfriend has left, the protagonist declares, “I’m a different man.” The gay guys have to make room for him.

“The End of Something” is also about a couple breaking up. It begins with this description of a dead town:

“In the old days HortonsBay was a lumbering town. No one who lived in it was out of sound of the big saws in the mill by the lake. Then one year there were no more logs to make lumber. The lumber schooners came into the bay and were loaded with the cut of the mill that stood stacked in the yard. All the piles of lumber were carried away. The big mill building had all its machinery that was removable taken out and hoisted on board one of the schooners by the men who had worked in the mill. The schooner moved out of the bay toward the open lake, carrying the two great saws, the travelling carriage that hurled the logs against the revolving, circular saws and all the rollers, wheels, belts and iron piled on a hull-deep load of lumber. Its open hold covered with canvas and lashed tight, the sails of the schooner filled and it moved out into the open lake, carrying with it everything that had made the mill a mill and HortonsBay a town.”

When “The End of Something” was published in 1925, a post-productive town like HortonsBay was an anomaly. Now, there are thousands across America. Deprived of a manly job, the story’s male protagonist, Nick, is also neutered. Out fishing with his girlfriend, he’s cranky and won’t even eat a lunch she’s packed for him. They fight.

“You know everything,” he snaps. “That’s the trouble. You know you do.” Then, even more tellingly, “I’ve taught you everything […] What don’t you know, anyway?”

Though Marjorie tells him to shut up, she never loses her composure. She’s much more woman than he is man, for sure, and even more “man” than he is, if one indulges the entirely untrue stereotype of the female as prone to being irrational or hysterical. Nick is the bitch here.

With factories closing, farms mechanizing, families breaking up and communities disintegrating, men today are mostly tattooed husks, especially if they’re of the lower class where traditional sex roles had always been the bedrock. Many are too poor to start or maintain a family. Others are fathers only in the sense that they must send a child support check once a month. Already without authority and owning next to nothing, many can’t even use their muscles.

Manly virtue has become a quaint, snicker-provoking concept. In a world of constant flux and no memory, honor and dignity mean nothing, since just about any act, depraved or noble, is either unseen or quickly forgotten. Faceless and nameless, the feeble lash out at strangers online. Hopeless sons and failed dads, they hanker for an uber daddy, be it some politician, the Pope or even a totalitarian state.

Though most powerless, blacks swagger the most, but we all know who have the real bling. Pale nerds push dark rappers.

Though day-to-day male virtues are nearly invisible yet steadfast, role models for young men are cocky singers, badass movie stars and hypermasculine athletes. Outside the screens, ordinary men increasingly slouch and slump.

Consider 53-year-old Joe, a lifelong resident of Fishtown, a Philly post-industrial neighborhood made infamous by Charles Murray. Joe has been a junkie, off and on, for much of his adult life. For 7 1/2 years, Joe had a Vietnamese girlfriend, Tien, but he spent four of those years locked up for credit card fraud. Inside, Joe subscribed to Asian Girls and Forty Something, he said to me. When Joe got out in ‘84, Tien bought him a decent used car and a $1,000 Rolex watch, and she was just a nursing student. Her name means “fairy,” by the way.

“Tien was not just the best girlfriend I’ve ever had, she was also the best person I’ve ever known.”


Years after he had broken up with Tien, Joe saw her walking up the steps of an elevated train station, “I was with this prostitute but I said, ‘Go over to that park and wait for me,’ then I ran to catch up with Tien. I felt this small, man,” and he kept his hands about six inches apart. “I said to her that I was broke and really needed money, so she gave me a twenty. That was the last time I ever saw Tien.”

Consider 20-year-old Jay, an unemployed college dropout who lives with his divorced dad. Jay’s parents broke up mostly because his executive dad was jobless for three years. All day, Jay’s locked inside his room, surfing the internet or steering that joystick. Jay has no friends, much less a girlfriend. Not a bad looking kid, Jay was bright and confident enough in high school to win the California Speech Championship in thematic interpretation. Jay lives in a pleasant, well-landscaped Fremont neighborhood, which is nice, I suppose, if you have somewhere to go each day. Otherwise, there’s nothing around to even be kicked out of. Even if Jay was old enough to drink, there’s no bar nearby. There’s Bombay Pizza, “Home Of The Curry Pizza,” but that’s no place to chill. In such a bedroom “community,” you’re lost if you’re not plugged in to school or work. There is nothing and no one to resocialize you, so for a young man, this means that Grand Theft Auto, Minecraft and YouJizz will be your best companions. Since Jay already had a nervous breakdown, his dad doesn’t want to push him. “What should I do? What will he do when I die?”

A third of Americans under 35 now live with their parents, and half of them spend half of their incomes servicing debts. You’re not likely to get married if you’re living with mom and dad, that’s for sure, but soon enough, we will see three generations under one roof again, out of economic necessity. We will also see more couples with their kids all in one room. Poor people worldwide already live this way, and we are poor.

Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating socialscape through his frequently updated photo blog, Postcards from the End of America.

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  1. mtn cur says:

    Only yesterday, wasp americans sneered at Hispanics for living in extended family dwellings, piled high and deep. The change from personal watercraft to raising kids in the attic, with nephews and nieces in the basement will be explosive.

  2. iffen says:

    Much better. There are a couple of fidden dit lines but I won’t quibble over those.

  3. “…When “The End of Something” was published in 1925, a post-productive town like HortonsBay was an anomaly…”

    What’s the opposite of ‘anomaly’.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @CK
  4. Truth says:

    What’s the opposite of ‘anomaly’.


  5. Wouldn’t mind hooking up with a “Tien”.

    • Replies: @B.R.
  6. This was a good read, thank you. Multi-generational homes aren’t necessarily such a bad thing as they can provide the setting for the rejection of hyperindividualism by reinforcing familial bonds, but this depends on the quality of the family and this is a spiritual and philosophical question.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. Another superb article.

    “We will also see more couples with their kids all in one room.”

    As in Uncle Joey Stalin’s USSR. No wonder so many Wall Street fat cats supported the monster and his methods.

    “Poor people worldwide already live this way, and we are poor.”

    We certainly are, and as far as I can tell, that’s hardly ever been an anomaly even here in Dizzyland. Also, speaking of ghost towns, everywhere I’ve looked the past few decades pretty much every former boom town, while not entirely depopulated, is but a marasmic ghost of its former self.

  8. Johann says:

    Good read Linh, you really have the pulse of how the Americans transformed themselves into a Third World hell hole. I grew up in Philadelphia fifty years ago and I left it over thirty years ago. My poor immigrant father could always find a job in the booming factories of the time. He raised six children and even managed to buy a small row house in a blue collar neighborhood like Fishtown. It is funny how all the hipsters ,the neo Americans, are moving into those small row homes; oh I forgot the neo Americans call them town houses and paying hundreds of thousands for homes that sold for twenty thousand only twenty years ago.

    • Replies: @granesperanzablanco
  9. CK says:

    Mining towns when the mines run out.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Next to Steve Sailer, this writer is my favourite on UNZ. Keep up the great work.

  11. @mtn cur

    It’ll be IMplosive. I’m-plosive. Impulsive. Repulsive. Impetuous. I’m-entitled.


  12. Rehmat says:

    Had Ernest Hemingway alive today – British and Scottish parliamentarians would have called him SELF-HATING Jew.

    On April 4, 2016, MSP Kezia Dugdale (Jewish), leader of the Scottish Labour Party announced in her column for the Daily Record that she is a lesbian. She also said, she is proud to be a member of world’s gayest parliament.

    On February 20, 2016 Mark Lefty reported at UK’s daily Independent that the House of Commons was proud to have 32 lesbian, gay and MPs. Later on, the newspaper added two more names to the Organized Jewry’s ‘honor list’ – SNP’s business spokesperson Hannah Mary Bardell (Jewish), and Labour party’s shadow Welsh secretary Nina Griffith.

  13. It’s worth noting that in Italian culture, for a man to stay at home until he’s married is the norm.

  14. OutWest says:

    My industrial hometown –a good place to grow up, not so good to work at- is now a postindustrial brown field. The industrial area, commercial area and much of the residential are razed. Sad. Where I now live is booming. University, lot of government agencies and even Google buying land to move in. My company is one of the very few in town that actually makes products, but we’re under increasing pressure. If it weren’t for the employees I would have converted the whole thi9ng to a real estate investment and made a lot more money

    My kids are doing even better than me at their now middle age, but having me as a banker helps. So not everybody is fodder for Dinh. This is worth mentioning since it takes a bit of hope to get out of the basement and off one’s lazy ass if there’s hope to avoid being a Dinh example.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Lost american
  15. Marcus says:

    That’s the norm in most of southern and eastern Europe.

  16. B.R. says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Wouldn’t mind hooking up with a “Tien”.

    I love how he wrote in the same article that it’s not true that women are generally irrational.

    Choosing a junkie for a partner and keeping with him after he falls off the wagon, repeatedly. That is truly a rational choice.

  17. @Johann

    I don’t think it is that hard to understand. There is something alienating about post war suburbia that these kids grew up in and it comes down to supply and demand. It is pretty hard spatially to remake pre-war style neighborhoods now and many more people like prefer them.

  18. Discard says:

    Post war suburbia was great. Every dad worked, moms stayed at home to care for their multiple children, and crime was so rare that TWO cops came to our house to take a report of $11 worth of stolen groceries, taken from an unlocked car. Camping, riding bicycles, playing baseball in the street, dogs in the back yard, milk delivery, the ice cream man and the bakery truck are not alienating.

    • Replies: @granesperanzablanco
  19. @RaceRealist88

    Not just Italians but pretty much all Southern Europeans/Balkanauts. This is done for economic and cultural reasons, which is why collectivism is stronger in these places as they reject the hyperindividualism of Northwestern Europe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. njguy73 says:

    Fred Reed had a good article on poverty, which I might have linked previously.

    He wrote, “The problem is that the poor do not know how to be poor.” What we’re seeing is that the cognitively-challenged, stripped of that which they could use to make sense of the world (work, society, family, religion) have nowhere to turn but to self-destructive behavior.

    When the day comes when those of medium-to-high cognitive abilities find themselves poor, they will be more likely to turn to positive behaviors: developing mutual-aid societies, community gardens, taking advantage of free cultural endowments.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Discard
  21. While the superb Linh Dinh ponders the absence of masculinity, I can only imagine Papa Hemingway storming into Mr. Dinh’s South Philly bar, demanding an explanation.

    I suspect Papa might order Mr. Dinh a grappa and insist that it’s better to have lost your balls nobly than never to have had them.

  22. I can not tell exactly what Banker “Outwest” (above) meant by asserting, “not everybody is fodder for Dinh, but I am fairly certain that Outwest’s materially successful children would rather perish than swallow L.D.’s present menu of “spaghetti, spam, salami, and chunks of cheddar cheese.”

    Hemingway’s works are typically loaded with symbolism and I’ll have to make an appointment with “Sea Change.”

    It’s very sad to watch the painful sea change exerted upon American boys who grow up to be boys, and at age 64, I naturally have a preference for Hemingway’s “For Whom The Bell Tolls.” There one learns about Boys II Men, Men II Heroes, including an unforgettable tale about (“Ingles”) Robert Jordan, the dynamiter, and his tragic falling in love with lovely Maria who was raped by falangists in her late-father’s barbershop. (I can still hear the non-Kentucky Derby trot and fall of Jordan’s horse in the woods, under unfriendly fire!)

    It would be a great cultural endowment for American youth to read Linh Dinh and understand the dark fate which awaits both “20 year old Jay” and post-collapse Banker off springs. I can only hope even a tiny percentage of American youth will soon read “For Whom the Bell Tolls,” watch the snow fall in May among pine needles, and inculcate sentences spoken by Pablo (the fox), for example, “I have thought you are a group of illusioned people… led by a woman with her brains between her thighs and a foreigner who comes to destroy you.”

  23. I was just thinking about this story a few days ago. I was recalling the line the character recites from Alexander Pope: Vice is a monster of fearful mien. At first I had though it was that other couple seated at a table discussing their relationship–Hills Like White Elephants. Got my Hemingway story about abortion confused with his story about lesbians and impotence, which seemed, even from a young age, to be a matter of importance to him.

  24. bluedog says:

    Hmm lots of government agencies (taxpayer dollars) I wonder how long they will last and its final outcome.!!!

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  25. @OutWest

    I agree with you OutWest but it is hard for many to get started. I guess I made it but at 65 (and medically retired for 3 years ) I feel broken. Those 60-100 hour work weeks were not worth it.
    I grew up in a tough east Brooklyn, NY neighborhood, and in 1971 following 2 1/2 years in Marines My father told me to get Irish citizenship as the USA was going down the drain.

    These ultraliberals of the hate filled NY Times crowd, the Zionists, the money hungry would make America a hell hole for the common decent man be he of White European heritage, Afro Am, Asian, and others who grew up in traditional households with strong moral values.

    Most of a decent America is gone. I saw plenty of guys during the Iraq War days *I was in Army Reserves) stay in the Army because there was nothing to go home to- no jobs, and how to support a wife and kids. I saw a decent young civilian man in Afghanistan keep working there so he could afford an average priced home of $ 600,000 in Seattle.

    I am happy we have sites like, The Unz Review, and publications like Chronicles and American Conservative, and the Catholic newspaper The Wanderer to tell me what is really going on in the world.

    No one I encounter has heard of PNAC. They only believe what they see on the controlled mainstream media.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @JackOH
  26. Yes, some make it work but it is a very selfish group that controls things. So what is the true nature of men and women- selfish self serving creatures or generous?
    The USA leaders think nothing of gruesomely murdering unborn defenseless babies, and the public snoozes.

    While many kind, traditional types as well as decent punk rockers are stressed making ends meet, you have lesbians and male homosexuals screaming for more rights. The priorities are all mixed up and we have a Zionist controlled media responsible for setting the tone of the culture.

  27. @Lost american

    Well stated! I couldn’t agree more!

    • Replies: @Lost american
  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Have you all seen the music video for the song “Stressed Out” by twenty one pilots? It seems to be a good accompaniment to this post. It’s actually a very catchy song.

    • Replies: @Lost american
  29. J1234 says:

    Good writing from Linh Dinh.

    A third of Americans under 35 now live with their parents….

    I was surprised to find out that a childhood friend of mine – now in his late 50’s – is living with his parents. Not a welfare family at all. A small business family that was always self sufficient. He worked with his dad in the family business, but they closed the doors for good a couple of years ago. My friend is divorced, and his kids are grown. (I don’t know whose basement they’re going to live in.)

  30. @Discard

    I am just making a comment on the spatial arrangement of post war suburbia.

    Everything you described my father experienced in 1950’s San Francisco so I think you have cause effect misunderstood here

  31. Truth says:

    When the day comes when those of medium-to-high cognitive abilities find themselves poor, they will be more likely to turn to positive behaviors: developing mutual-aid societies, community gardens, taking advantage of free cultural endowments.

    Hey well that’s putting a positive spin back on the thread; WHEN (not if) you guys are desolate, and living under bridges, you will pitch in to grow carrots together.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  32. JackOH says:
    @Lost american

    “I guess I made it but at 65 (and medically retired for 3 years ) I feel broken. Those 60-100 hour work weeks were not worth it.”

    There’s a handful of talented, educated guys I know who could be said to have made it–maybe only in the sense they had enough time in with a stable employer to get a decent buy-out when the ax fell, or came into a relatively generous inheritance, or came into some other combo package of good fortune. I’ve already mentioned in previous comments other talented guys I know who’ve had their lives unraveled by “involuntary proletarianization”.

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Niccolo Salo

    It is the norm for young people in the US and Northwestern Europe to rent apartments together with strangers. That is hardly different from the concept of communal flats in the USSR. Always seemed weirdly collectivist to me, as an Eastern European.

    At any rate, Northern European youths usually live apart from their parents, but that is because they are given homes by the government, for free.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  34. Marcus says:

    American colleges used to require students live in a dormitory for at least their first semester or so.

  35. Clyde says:

    Mr Truth has learned (gamed) how and where to live high off the taxpayers via useless eater NGO/Gov’t employment. The simple translation is that whites pay your freight and you would not last long in your putative homeland Africa because they are mo’ better scammers with no white man riches underlying it all. Like in stupid America/Europe.

    • Replies: @Truth
  36. For those who think the system and status quo are just fine, I guess it matters how one defines “fine.”

    Little is fine at the top, and Atzmon is one who offers glimpses of the sadistic, psychopathic perverts that have their ways with the rest of us. Lots that’s dirty, filthy and grimy at the top.

    The vid, disgusting as it is, is probably worth watching as well.

  37. Truth says:

    I’d last longer in Africa than you would…or in Beverly Hills…or Fishtown…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  38. Discard says:

    Have you read any of the “World Made by Hand” novels of James Howard Kunstler? The world has run out of oil overnight, and people have to make do or starve. The White working class have become agricultural serfs or they labor at the old town landfill, mining it for usable material. The college grads, their degrees being now useless, have become the skilled craftsmen their great-grandfathers once were. They make music, they fix broken things, they organize themselves, and they live in old wooden houses in an old country town. The serfs and laborers mostly live in shanties on the farms or at the landfill, under the control of their overlords.

    Fun reads.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  39. njguy73 says:

    Yes, I’ve read the 1st and 3rd WMBH books, as well as Long Emergency and Dmitri Orlov’s Reinventing Collapse. And that’s the point I was bringing up, a point which I first learned from Kunstler and Orlov. I especially like hearing their podcasts and interviews. They can be very funny even when talking about unpleasant subjects.

    When societies collapse, those with cognitive abilities find ways to thrive, while those who don’t have cognitive abilities don’t thrive.

  40. @Anonymous

    I liked this song – first time I heard of twenty one pilots but at 65 how can one keep up.
    I still like punk and alternative. I felt sad looking at the families in the song because I was wishing we had a little more growing up, but it was a cannon fodder neighborhood. I always appreciated my parents despite all the hard times.
    What makes us human seems to be of little concern to the movers and shakers for the past 20 years but really noticeable over the past 10. We know what human beings need but those in power do not care about our “petty” needs. Their Ivy League diplomas should be used as toilet paper considering how stupid and selfish and inhuman they are.
    I lost all respect for at least half of the Army careerists. They too are self serving. Don’t dare do anything to rock their boats and get in the way of their careers. They kiss the ass of the man big time- so sad. It is the same in all branches. Even the Navy SEALS learn that most of their superiors will destroy them if they don’t play ball, and that is why many SEALS get out – same for Green Berets.
    Going back to the song I was reminded of my friend, a Special Forces soldier with over 800 jumps, who often wished he could be small and hugged by his mom again. This soldier was a powerful brute and yet he longed for kinder times.
    If I could go back I would never have gone to that Marine Corps recruiter in 68- screw them . I saw them wreck too many lives and they didn’t care.
    Good song.

  41. @JackOH

    I never made any big money. I worked long hours to get my kid a college education if she wanted it. But I am happy to have a pension.
    When I said “I made it” I should have said that I didn’t drop dead from lack of sleep.
    I feel bad about all the dedicated, non lazy men and women who are good and honest but have been discarded by a lot of selfish people.
    You are right though in stating that one has to go after things, learn a trade, or work with a group and be dedicated.

  42. @Jacques Sheete

    Thanks. It helps to know that others are in the same boat. It was hard to watch the factories leave so that the guy who runs Nike could become a billionaire. Someone told me it was simply “market forces”. I said I ‘ll tell you that when your company goes to Mexico.
    We were at war with the Vietnamese over 40 years ago . Now we are wearing shirts that they make for American companies. Does that mean we will be some day wearing shirts made in Iraq?
    If the US got into a massive war my advice to the young men would be to stay the heck away from the war makers and the military.

  43. DentShop says:

    For nearly all of Asia, to leave home before being married without a good reason is seen as odd.

  44. DentShop says:

    The worst thing is that for all the comments in the section, there is precious little advice.

    • Replies: @helena
    , @iffen
  45. helena says:

    My point exactly. It’s great to have this resource but Europeans need a strategy. I suggest learning to live as a diaspora; embrace ethnic identity and develop support networks.

    In the UK, I see everyday fit, fit, fit, men out and about fixing, building, transporting. They’re not thick but they prefer doing stuff than selling stuff. I think they will be a continued resource. Big industries are different because they employ whole communities. Those communities, when abandoned, need support networks.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @njguy73
  46. iffen says:

    The worst thing is that for all the comments in the section, there is precious little advice.

    The same can be said for most of the articles published here. Lots of weeping and wailing (observation and analysis) about the D & F, not many practical ideas on what should be done about it.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  47. @iffen

    There are several reasons that I can think of explaining why there are few solutions offered, and there are probably many more that I’m not aware of.

    Here are some of mine.:

    1. Why bother offering specific advice when there are so many unique situations within the larger picture?

    2. Why offer advice when it’s almost always ignored anyway? Heck, those who provide warnings about how badly we prols and peasants are being had should just wear “Kick Me” signs instead. Almost no one wants to hear the truth; even less do they want to hear any advice.

    3. What’s needed is a revolution of the spirit and such things take time. We’re in the info gathering and propaganda debunking phase at this time and have been for decades. I’m appalled at how effective the propaganda from 2+ centuries ago still sticks with us. Even intelligent, well schooled and well meaning people routinely mouth grade school trash as if it were fact, e.g., that the American revolutionary war and the American constitution happened for the benefit of the masses.

    4. People need to be aware that a problem exists before they can even begin to offer solutions. On the one hand it’s encouraging that people are becoming increasingly aware that all is not well, but it’s discouraging that many of the issues of today were those recorded in ancient texts and most of us still don’t ‘get it.” Perhaps there are only patches and no real fixes.

    5. Maybe we need to learn to find our own solutions, if any, and be thankful for the insights provided by the guys who’re sounding the alarm.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Lost american
  48. iffen says:

    It’s great to have this resource but Europeans need a strategy.

    How is the EU doing these days?

    Serious question Helena, do you envision an identity based primarily on genetic heritage or one based upon European political ideals?

    I agree that an organization and strategy are desperately needed.

    • Replies: @helena
  49. @JackOH

    This must be such a regional issue. In the inner Bay Area around SF these same guys won the lottery with their million $$ rancher houses and fat pensions from trade unions or city governments (mostly police and Fire)

    My Dad and his buddies my uncles live large in retirement. Lots of European vacations and sunning at the pool at the ELKS club

    Younger generations who try to live this way do pretty well (still lots of work) but housing costs are tough now so commutes are long

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  50. @granesperanzablanco

    Anecdotal evidence such as that doesn’t really mean much in the larger picture or as a predictor of the future. Besides, as you noted, many of those who are “living large” do so at the expense of many others who have never lived large nor ever will.

    “Is it a simple form of madness to lose a hundred thousand sesterces, and not have a shirt to give to a shivering slave? Which of our grandfathers built such numbers of villas, or dined by himself off seven courses? Look now at the meagre dole set down upon the threshold for a toga-clad mob to scramble for!”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD


  51. helena says:

    There are many layers to what is happening.

    The end-game is EPI and I can’t see any way of turning back from that project now. But it will be decades before everybody accepts the situation and/or intermarries. I don’t see far white parties getting their way but they will hopefully create enough pressure to allow some ‘traditional European’ culture and ethnic identity to survive.

    A lot of young people seem to have accepted white minority status – they have to, in order to get jobs etc. Most TV adverts and dramas nowadays feature black/white and asian/white couples.

    I anticipate that European Muslim society will develop alongside a multi-racial, multi-religion mainstream dominant culture (loosely based on ye olde christian European culture). With some areas fully controlled by Muslim ethnic groups – S Asian in UK, N African in France etc. So there will be a network of Muslims living in their own ethnic cultures and uniting under Islam. There will almost certainly be a European Haj eventually.

    That’s why I suggest Europeans adopt a diaspora mentality instead of trying to cling on to what has gone. Setting up cultural groups, clog-dancing or whatever. (Or local eg Mining History groups). There’s a fine line though between being cultural enough so as not to attract attention as potential hotbeds of farwhitism, and specific enough not to attract everybody.

    Hope that illuminates a bit; I could write a lot more but I’ll spare you!

    • Replies: @Talha
  52. @Lost american

    Rockin’ Fishtown angsty hard times playlist sampler: There’s been decent music out there burrowing into themes of lost purpose, lost faith (religious or otherwise). Question: Will Charles Murray’s “New Lower Class” of whites wake up? And what would that look like?

    The Sheila Divine – Like A Criminal (lyrics)
    Corrosion of Conformity – Sleeping Martyr
    Social Distortion – Cold Feelings
    Corrosion of Conformity – 13 Angels
    Remy Zero – Prophecy
    The Sheila Divine – New Parade (lyrics)

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  53. iffen says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    be thankful for the insights provided by the guys who’re sounding the alarm.

    You have given an informed comment with some good points to consider.

    I just think that the marginal utility of one more piece with the subtitle, “The Wogs Are Trampling the Flowers” is approaching zero.

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  54. JackOH says:

    I agree a steady diet of Linh Dinh and “UR’s” pessimism is tiring. But, the pessimism seems to be warranted by events, and I turn to “UR” more or less daily to read well-articulated thoughts by talented people who see through the same lens I do. We’ve gone wrong big-time, and “UR” seems to be one of the few pubs that recognizes that.

    I also agree with jacque sheete. You gotta start somewhere, and maybe it’s good enough that the folks at “UR” are good enough at “sounding the alarm”, even if we only have few tools (legislative proposals, policy goals, prospective candidates, etc.) to do anything.

    I’m also learning a lot from the comments by people who seem to have strong, insider subject matter expertise.

    • Replies: @iffen
  55. njguy73 says:

    “I suggest learning to live as a diaspora; embrace ethnic identity and develop support networks.”

    In other words, like the Jews.

    Worked for us for 2000 years until we got our land back.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @byrresheim
  56. iffen says:

    I agree with much of your comment.

    However, when somebody like the Saker writes a piece that makes one wonder whether he has ever read UR or VDare, then something is wrong.

  57. iffen says:

    Ethnic identity

    That’s the hard part. Where do you get those? What’s the last one to appear?
    Stuff had been written down for a long time now.

  58. “I just think that the marginal utility of one more piece with the subtitle, “The Wogs Are Trampling the Flowers” is approaching zero.”

    Actually, I agree with that to a point. However, repetition is supposedly the mother of learning if learning is possible at all. For someone like you who probably has a lot of it figured out, the marginal utility is very marginal, but that apparently isn’t true for most. Unfortunately, those who need the warnings most are also probably the least likely to read them, understand them or act on them.

    For example, I routinely advise people to avoid debt like the plague ( ala Plutarch’s 2000 year old advice in “Moralia,”) yet I know of no one who has ever heeded that suggestion but many who they would have.

    Ancient texts abound that deal with the same issues we’re dealing with today, so maybe we’re incapable of advancing much as a society. On the other hand we seem to have advanced from chattel slavery to wage slavery for now and hopefully that turns out to be truly an advance!

    As for advice givers, take a look at what happened to Socrates and others.

    As for Mr Dinh’s writing, the guy has superb talent and I enjoy his perspectives and am very happy that he shares them. At the risk of severe understatement, I think he combines the perception of Twain with the elucidation of Steinbeck, and I am fascinated and entertained by that.

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  59. iffen says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    As for Mr Dinh’s writing, the guy has superb talent

    I agree, I read and enjoy all of his character sketches or portraits. When he starts drawing conclusions and launches into political rhetoric and conspiracy land is where the wheels come off.

    I now see how poorly I write. I wasn’t thinking of LD’s writing at all.

    I specifically had in mind articles like the Saker’s, A Stolen Europe. He’s just now noticed all those non-Europeans? Does he need to alert us, or anybody for that matter? Does he not read Unz or VDARE?

    I also had in mind the political pundit types that alert us to the fact that the elites have contempt for and despise the hoi polloi and rig and manipulate the system(s) for their own benefit. Well, faint and fall out onto the floor! What will be the next important alert? Perhaps it will be: politicians are pandering opportunists who lie in order to gain political power?

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  60. Sbaker says:
    @Lost american

    Don’t live in despair and bitterness. I am of the same vintage. You must have a place to go for solitude, to listen to your soul, to refresh your spirit, and to see the beauty of creation. You won’t find any of that in some crowded, concrete jungle. I look back and sometimes see a brighter day,mostly because I had close family around. My parents have been gone almost 20 ears and I miss them every day. But, like my grandfather, it seemed the best time of life was having 3 little kids running around the house. We must adapt and grow old gracefully and be yet thankful for what we had and still have.

  61. JackOH says:

    “I also had in mind the political pundit types that alert us to the fact that the elites have contempt for and despise the hoi polloi and rig and manipulate the system(s) for their own benefit. Well, faint and fall out onto the floor! What will be the next important alert? Perhaps it will be: politicians are pandering opportunists who lie in order to gain political power?”

    iffen, you nailed it. After you’ve said to yourself something like, “The candidates are bought, the system’s rigged, the people are infantilized (or puppetized)”, well, then, what do you do? I vote Libertarian, thought half-assedly once about emigrating from the States, and did a bit of citizen-activism that exhausted me (although I learned a lot and don’t regret my stint).

    I’ve had to admit the American system of politics and economic corporations probably can be said to deliver the goods for most people. The certain benefits of collaborating with wrong stuff are a powerful incentive for most folks to keep their lips zipped and toe the line. (See, e. g., “No One Would Listen” by Harry Markopolos, the guy who tried to alert the authorities to the Madoff scam.) Some people go “deep Pollyanna”, such as Beltway libertarians who see free markets in schemes that are too obviously crony capitalism and kleptocracy.

    I hope this comment helps a bit.

    • Replies: @iffen
  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No you wouldn’t. The real African, not the cosmetic, dashiki wearing African American pseuds, can spot a fong kong a mile away. No matter how much you claim to be their brother and wax lyrical about having returned “home” when you hop off the jet at OR Tambo and make your way to your Sandton hotel, you will always just be a white man with a black skin. So, no, you wouldn’t survive.

  63. iffen says:

    “No One Would Listen” by Harry Markopolos, the guy who tried to alert the authorities to the Madoff scam.

    Is he the guy that sent the information to the SEC that told them the office to go to and which filing cabinet to open?

    I hope this comment helps a bit.

    It does. Stimulated by this current presidential cycle, I am having a crisis of confidence in our “democracy.”

    • Replies: @JackOH
  64. JackOH says:

    Read the book. Decide for yourself.

  65. @Sbaker

    Sbaker- yes, good advice and I appreciate it.
    Our parents were probably those whites of European heritage that the President makes fun of and that the elites despise, but they were the best: they had standards for good behavior. They worked hard, they didn’t steal. They made the USA a good place which the generation before me started destroying. Those that destroyed America ran the mainstream media- they still do. They started tearing down any traditions in the 60s. They were the likes of the NY Times and all those other big papers. Today these “masters of deceit and evil” run 95 % of the mainstream media.
    Just imagine a society not influenced by these rotten, smug, self serving, hateful people. Just imagine a world where we did not have the influence of these “trendsetters”.

  66. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thank you Jenner- I have written down these songs and artists.
    I am always looking for my type of good music. Maybe because I am left handed and was always hyperactive, and because the music has good words, the punk and alternative music has always had a very calming effect on me- sort of what classical music does for lots of people.

    I welcome the names of groups and songs from anyone. My taste runs to likes of: Ramones, Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks, Undertones, Clash, Pogues, Raveonettes, Rancid, Eternal Summers, and even that great voice of Marina Diamedes (Marina and the Diamonds). There are hundreds of other groups and songs.
    I am 65 years old and love this kind of sound.

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  67. @Sbaker

    I have become unemotional over the bitterness. One person in this comment section indicated that we send in our comments but nothing changes. I recommend that he start writing to newspaper editors or columnists and telling them that they are not writing the truth but only putting down what a Zionist owner tells them to do.
    Educate the people around you. Make many copies of favorite articles- mail them; pass them around. People would be surprised at all the responses they will get from their local congress people. He will find that he is making a difference.
    In the 2960s and 70s, our mainstream media in America trashed the “family man”, trashed the soldiers and other service members wherever they served. This mass media praised Nelson Mandela as they made white South Africa look like a hell on earth (while it was the number one place that most Africans across Africa wanted to enter and find work).
    It trashed those of us in the poor and middle classes as we went back to our row houses.
    It is good to be educated and informed- for me it really took off in 2002 when I followed Buchanan and his teachings about PNAC and all the other dirt going round and how Israel has a strangle hold on our country.
    I am unemotional about this but I will tell off these Zionist warmongers as a tribute to all those Marines I knew that died young and all those parents who worked so hard to feed us, raise us with good morals and a good work ethic, and never instilled in us the smugness that is typical of the “elites”.

  68. @Lost american

    Lostamerican—you’re welcome, no trouble at all… your list is classic stuff. The Ravonettes have a great sound. There are gems in every genre, and I agree, it is hard to keep up. Lots of one-off wonders. There’s good shit being (self) released all the time, but the splintered market means you gotta be a detective.

    If you have the cash, streaming services like Pandora learn what you like and auto-suggest new songs. (Personally, I think it sucks that streaming has taken over. I buy CDs whenever I can and rip them uncompressed in 1411kpbs WAV format.)

    I’m a generation younger than you (not racked up as much damage, maybe), and so far have lived a life neither too hard nor too easy, so I can’t speak to your experiences directly. Your revealing, gut replies in this thread got to me (and other commenters, too). Anyway, here you go…

    Some latter-day (mid 90s) punks/skins in Boston.
    A decent soundtrack.
    The best Ramones song?
    Recent article about Ramones history with interactive map.

    Now to the present. A different Dee Dee:
    Dum Dum Girls – Rimbaud Eyes
    (Charitably, I’ll say she sings “rim-boh’d” rather than “hhhrrambo eyes” to avoid confusion with the glaring protégé of Colonel Sam Trautman.)

    It may interest you that Lush has reunited for a tour this year. More of a Gen-X shoegaze/dreampop band.

    I had to look up Eternal Summers and Marina Diamandis. Some other contemporary sirens of sound you might like:

    Still Corners – Endless Summer
    Nightmare Air – 18 Days
    Chromatics – Into The Black

    “It’s better to burn out than to fade away…”
    You’re still alive, brother. Keep burnin’. Stay strong.

    • Replies: @Lost american
  69. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I copied this- should be interesting. Over the past thirty years I would hope to get indie or college stations but years back a lot of them could not continue. I used to wonder if the big media found a way to quiet the indie stations. I pretty much lost contact over the past 15 years. I will try Pandora and finally take lessons in how to use a computer. I buy CDs and will have to learn how to burn. But I was also living far outside urban areas.
    100 and You Kill are the hard hitting Endless Summer songs. Marina Diamandis goes by Marina and the Diamonds. She does a lot with her voice- very different- sort of like how Cindy Lauper could hit a lot of octaves. Marina has an album full of interesting stuff- Forget, Savages, more.
    Perhaps my favorite Ramones song is Commando, then again, I Wanna Be Sedated- I grew up in Brooklyn with screwballs like these guys.

    Thanks very much.

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Niccolo Salo

    The social acceptance of multi-generational homes is cultural. It is still not the rule in America (the west?) as it is in the rest of the world. Perhaps that is a symptom of our (relatively) successful economy (yeah, yeah, I know we’re still in a recession). American culture encourages grown children to go out into society, get a job, and get their own home. That is not a bad thing, it is just different.

  71. Talha says:

    Dear helena,

    I have really enjoyed your comments on this topic.

    First, at the risk of sounding stupid, what is EPI? I can’t seem to find the meaning of the acronym.

    I anticipate that European Muslim society will develop alongside a multi-racial, multi-religion mainstream dominant culture (loosely based on ye olde christian European culture).

    That is a fascinating assessment. I guess that is premised on the assumption that Muslims aren’t kicked out and the depopulation trend continues in native European peoples. Assuming that is how things play out and trends are irreversible, I can certainly see it going that way also. Specific areas with semi-autonomous relationships to the whole – maybe like the Caucasus regions vis-a-vis Russia.

    With some areas fully controlled by Muslim ethnic groups – S Asian in UK, N African in France etc. So there will be a network of Muslims living in their own ethnic cultures and uniting under Islam.

    Again, another fascinating and fairly accurate picture given the previous assumptions – perhaps a polity that is integrated like Mormon Utah with the other states here in the US. The one thing I think you may not have taken into account is the affect on the overall picture by European converts into Islam. Right now it is a trickle, but if the pace picks up, there is a very good chance that the native European local culture will take the dominant role in the definition of whatever culture is the result; it may only have a tangential relationship to very well-defined ethnic Indo-Pakistani or North-African culture which is already eroding within the first couple of generations. Here is a clip of Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad (may God preserve him) speaking on the loss of masculinity in the post-modern world:

    Note that he is of Welsh descent and is arguably one of the most important Muslim scholars in the UK. Note also as the camera pans around the room, most of these young students are Arabs and Indo-Pakistanis, a couple of Malays here and there and perhaps a couple of Bosnians or converts. They are sitting and learning “at his feet” – as we say. This is a knowledge and spiritual based identity and culture. Anybody who takes both those on seriously and proves themselves will; have authority, have legitimacy. I actually look forward to the serious contribution of the Germanic and other European people in the Islamic heritage (much as I appreciate the contribution of the Persians in the past).

    There will almost certainly be a European Haj eventually.

    What does that mean exactly? Do you mean Muslims will make Hajj to Europe instead of Makkah, or did I totally misunderstand?

    May God preserve you and yours.

  72. EWM says:

    Who knew that the offspring of oh so many single welfare mothers would end up in a world like this?

  73. The simple problem with the US is that people like you vote (and act, and agitate) against their own interests.

  74. @njguy73

    Worked for us for 2000 years until we got our land back


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