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Donald Trump is, in many ways, an odious figure. A narcissistic semi-literate scoundrel who doesn’t even pretend otherwise, his primary redeeming qualities are a talent for channeling populist outrage and a certain reluctance to engage in bloody, pointless wars.
Normally I only vote for people I like (i.e. Cynthia McKinney and RFK Jr.) which is why I’ve never voted for a major-party candidate in a general election. I doubt very much that my first-ever vote for a mainstream candidate will be for the loathsome Trump. But the fake-left oligarchs and their lapdog media are working overtime to convince me to at least entertain the possibility.
The thing is, the media, legal, and political landscape has grown so grotesquely one-sided that Trump’s claims that the system is rigged against him, which once seemed whiny and petulant, are increasingly being validated. Big media’s Deep-State-assisted suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story was, for many of us, the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. Since that election-deciding outrage, it has been obvious and undeniable that just because Trump is paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get him.
And the outrages just keep coming. As J-Mike Springmann and I remarked on False Flag Weekly News, the week’s two big Trump events—his civil conviction for libel and sexual assault, and his CNN Town Hall battle with Kaitlan Collins—almost seemed to have been orchestrated to spotlight Trump’s unfair treatment at the hands of the Establishment.
Jimmy Dore makes a good case that Trump’s civil trial for sexual assault and defamation was “A Pure Democratic Hit Job.” Dore points out that New York’s bizarre one-year repeal of the statute of limitations was specifically designed to grease the skids for Carroll-v-Trump. Since when did governments start temporarily repealing statutes of limitations so they can go after political figures they don’t like? The move seems especially egregious because it involved an almost three-decade-old case in which the alleged victim can’t even remember which year the alleged assault happened, and has no evidence whatsoever other than her word against his. If you’re going to do something as extreme as suspending the statute of limitations so you can prosecute a specific case, shouldn’t you at least have some evidence?
My advice to the Democrats is that they might as well go all the way and prosecute Trump for murder. Why murder? For one thing, there is no statute of limitations on murder, so they won’t have to bother suspending it. And just as Trump once said a stupid thing about grabbing women’s genitals that made him sound like “the kind of person who might do something like that,” he also once said “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” So why not bring an evidence-free prosecution against him for shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue? Just find someone willing to claim they saw Trump shoot someone to death in the middle of Fifth Avenue in 1995, or was it 1996? It will be their word against his. And we all know Trump is a liar. Why? Because the media never stop telling us so. No New York jury could possibly fail to convict. And no New York judge could resist sentencing Donald J. Trump to death. (Yes, I know New York suspended the death penalty in 2004, but they could temporarily change that, just like they temporarily removed the statute of limitations, in order to dispose of Trump.)
Once Trump has been convicted and sentenced to death, we’ll all be able to breathe freely and get on with our lives, right? Not so fast! Trump’s lawyers will undoubtedly find a way to string out the appeals process, allowing him to become the first-ever candidate to run for president from death row. But what happens when he wins the election and his scheduled rendezvous with the electric chair happens to coincide with inauguration day? Will Trump be helicoptered to Washington, DC in handcuffs on January 20th, 2025, frog-marched into the Capitol, administered the oath of office, and then strapped into a special portable electric chair designed just for him and zapped like a bug? Will his hair turn an even brighter shade of orange as it bursts into flame? The Democrats would no doubt view it as inadequate payback for the horrors Trump unleashed there on January 6, 2021. But still…think of the ratings!
[For a serious analysis of MSM inadvertently (?) offering Trump favorable publicity, check out my Crescent International article “Ex-President’s Legal Woes: ‘Trumped-Up’ Charges, or Symptoms of US Decline?”]
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kevin, you should know better than most, that it matters not who, what, where, when and how many times we vote. voting is like a steering wheel on a kiddie ride, it’s not attached to anything, but the kids have a good time pretending they are flying the rocketship. my best friend consistently votes a straight bedrock ticket, of flintstone and rubble as a “protest”, he insists that it is his right to vote and will not be denied his constitutional right to vote. i understand this good mans anger and desire to express it, in a peaceful manner, so i must soldier on, as the sancho panza in his quixotic quest to restore bedrock principles to our governance.
KB, any vote cast for any candidate vomited up
by the ZOG regime, including the Orange Baboon,
is a vote to validate the ZOG.
just
stop
it.
Vote harder.
Bust a vein!
You could make a case that Trump is a Republican. But I would never buy it. Liz Cheney is a Republican. To suggest however that Trump is a “mainstream” candidate is just silly.
How you vote or if you vote is none of my business. But if you honestly believe that Trump is “loathsome” don’t vote for him. You have to live with yourself.
Voting doesn’t do shit. But vote if it makes you feel better. At this point the only thing that can end the US Deep State is a Russian tactical nuke. However, we’d still have to contend with Tel Aviv (their masters) after that. I did enjoy watching Trump roast that snotty millennial hag from CNN the other day. The roast was one for the books.
That is so cute how people think there will be another (s)election.
It must be the fountain of youth to remain childlike.
Trump is a fighter and winner.
Trump is honest, decent, patriotic.
Trump will win again for third victory.
Take your vote and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Remind you of anyone … oh yes, an actual normal human being … Trump.
Was this article supposed to be a psyop intended to incite Islamic Jihadist terrorist attacks against you for the FBI? It sure as hell seems that way, considering that Trump is by far the most Zionist, & anti-Islamic, president that this country has had since the Yom Kipur war. You must be an undercover FBI informant. What else could explain your flipped out contradictory statements?!
Are you running for the most anti-Islamic Muslim in America in 2024?
Saul by his own admission was a narcissistic scoundrel. Then he saw the light in Damascus. The Christians forgave him for his past sins. As far as I know after the birth of Barron, he has not grabbed a woman by the pussy except perhaps in his marriage bed. He has not bankrupted anyone. Also a person who reads Hitler’s speeches of course in English which are full of erudite references to contemporary and historical German issues could not be a semi illiterate. Of course not equal to an old fashioned. Ivy League education. The Trump campaign is subjecting me to a hard sell campaign every day to vote Trump. I can’t of course without American citizenship. They want my vote.
“entertain” all, and who, you wish: There is no “possibility” here. The entertainment & possibilities died on November 22, 1963.
The Rescue of our Country will not be accomplished by an easy and painless vote that will be (of course), (supposedly), honestly counted – by the very people, by the very government apparatus, the very Traitor Gauleiter servants of the Money Changers who occupy our Country and who control our infrastructure, our economy, and our very souls.
Our LIBERTY has been taken from us in a series of, often violent political repressions. The KEY act of theirs that destructed (utterly) our Freedom, was the Coup D’état of November 22, 1963. Our Last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, was Murdered “a murder most foul” in a hail of bullets. His Brother, RF Kennedy, was murdered in another volley of bullets, next to be butchered, were M L King, and Malcolm X, followed by the murder of John Lennon.
All these murders were committed by the same killers. These killers, these terrorists, these assassins we are not allowed to mention. They are not even mentioned by R F Kennedy jr. However, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has mentioned them, as has Dore. Their mention, their sympathy for the Palestinians, has not risen to the clarity of identifying the Agency that organized all these assassinations. The MOSSAD, and its junior branches, the CIA, and MI6.
The assassinations, followed by brutal invasions of Iraq, and Serbia, Syria, and Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and a continued repression and humiliation of our Nation. Then followed a series of cowardly peregrinations of our ‘elected leaders’ to the halls of their Masters. And their Masters do not reside in this country. https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=aaea799ce782b7bcJmltdHM9MTY4NDAyMjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0wMDBjYTY2MS0yODg1LTZjOWEtMmZkNi1iNTcwMjk5OTZkOGImaW5zaWQ9NTE4MQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=000ca661-2885-6c9a-2fd6-b57029996d8b&psq=72+congressmen+visit+israel&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuam5zLm9yZy9pbi1sYXJnZXN0LWV2ZXItZGVsZWdhdGlvbi03Mi1jb25ncmVzc21lbi1kb250LXNraXB0aGV0cmlwLWV4cHJlc3MtYmlwYXJ0aXNhbi1zdXBwb3J0LWZvci1pc3JhZWwv&ntb=1
In 2023, We The People are Slaves. Our so-called ‘elected representatives live in FEAR. They vote, both political gangs, vote how they are instructed; they vote overwhelmingly as they are instructed. NAFTA, the Patriot Act, $money to whomever, and whenever, as our people live under bridges, and in perpetual $debt.
We The People have been Enslaved by Violent Acts, and forced to participate in a serious of Imperialist Wars, 3 WWs, and many other brutalities, as We The People have routinely done the Brutal bidding of our Foreign Masters. The death toll is beyond counting. Only the last salute of the Nukes remains.
We may not vote ourselves out of this mess. WE MUST FIGHT. If we wish another Kennedy to SAFELY occupy the office of the Presidency, WE MUST PLACE HIM THERE!.
Freedom is not Free! It must be Paid For!
The Road to Liberation must necessarily Return those Bullets. Violent oppression, murder of our leaders, will only then end.
It’s just more evidence that the rule-of-law is effectively over in America. If those in political power want to come after you, they will. It’s as simple as that.
The Russians and Chinese – and anyone else around the world who still retains a shred of clarity – are acutely aware of just this state of affairs. It only boosts their confidence.
America is now a beacon of light only to those in the third-world. When you’ve lived your entire life in the gutter, even the sidewalk starts to look good. What these “immigrants” don’t yet grasp is how late they are to the party.
Great simile, thanks. I embrace similes, metaphors, and disappearing expressions. Most people these days have substituted “you know” for useful, engaging, expressions. In any case, you are right about voting; right as rain.
The Third World invasion that is currently occurring on our southern border is the issue that will get Trump elected. Secondly, it depends how soon the banks actually fail. What would make more sense for Trump to do (but he won’t) is not to just accuse Biden, but to criticize past American policy for the past God knows how many decades-and then say what you would do differently. Leave out or lessen all the narcissistic language – ME, I, MY, MINE. But Trump loves tooting his own horn and the American public to a large degree love a good boxing match (whether on CNN, political debate -Trump v. Hillary, or at a Trump rally). Biden and his clan are corrupt to the core (I would say even more than most politicians), but most Americans will just shrug and say “they’re all corrupt” and go on their way. Yes, it will be the immigrant invasion followed by a banking collapse that will make many go for Trump in desperation. Black people in Chicago are getting very fed up. Doesn’t mean they are ready to jump on the Trump Train – but it’s a start. Let’s see where this all goes over the summer.
Trump was such a disappointment – for the first time in a long while (or maybe, the first time ever) we had a candidate who took on the oligarchy. To the shock of the establishment, he won – and then he threw away his momentum and control of the congress being Paul Ryan’s ‘boy,’ and surrounding himself with enemies and throwing his friends and allies to the wolves. So sad.
Any yet: Trump did not open the border to a third world invasion. He did not declare war on the American working class. And he didn’t hate working-class white people.
And the establishment still hates him and is doing everything in their power to bring him down – if that’s not a ringing endorsement I don’t know what is.
Sure it probably doesn’t matter, but I’m voting for Trump.
I’ve never read a more plausible, intellectually solid, and carefully constructed set of contingencies for any event or policy implementation scheme…anywhere. Thanks so much.
Jewry plays a role in the SELECTION system. Votes do not count and a waste of time. Every righteous mind loses. If they were elections, then they’d be fair. Whomever “wins” this time around will be a victory for the chosen parasites.
It’s because you are on drugs or you are stupid.
Voting is useless. All of them are jewish manchurian (Israelite?) candidates working only for the big noses and their evil interests against white Americans. I am done playing the voting game, where we never win, we always lose.
This could only come from someone with the pseudonym wormssnakesbrain.
Didn’t Trump say, if elected, he would end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours? That sounds like a reason for every American to vote for him.
Trump’s election would stop Biden’s push for a nuclear war with Russia! Unless Biden get’s it started before the election so he can destroy America before the election.
Voting doesn’t do shit.
The Bidens are in deep trouble because the Republicans were able to secure seats in the house. That is how they launched an investigation into the laptop.
The Hunter Biden laptop story is still at the beginning. Mr. big guy is clearly in denial of how damaging this is going to be. His best move would be to make it clear that he isn’t going to run again. Hunter created a long list of shell companies which shows that he wasn’t merely taking a check for a fake job. This story has the potential to not just keep Biden out of the race but keep Bidens out of politics for good.
But vote if it makes you feel better.
Democrats certainly would prefer if it Whites would have taken your attitude and left them with control of all three houses. For the feels.
Trump was such a disappointment – for the first time in a long while (or maybe, the first time ever) we had a candidate who took on the oligarchy. To the shock of the establishment, he won – and then he threw away his momentum and control of the congress being Paul Ryan’s ‘boy,’ and surrounding himself with enemies and throwing his friends and allies to the wolves. So sad.
A bigly disappointment. Border was left open and the swamp creatures got to him.
If he ruled on his instincts and stuck with Bannon they would have crushed the DC establishment.
Sure it probably doesn’t matter, but I’m voting for Trump.
I wouldn’t put much thought into it at this point. His ratings with independents are terrible.
He may have cheering fans but he still has to get through the primaries.
I don’t see it happening and there is room for a dark horse candidate. Both Trump and DeSantis are losers.
Most Republicans are unaware that there is a lot of dirt on DeSantis and the MSM will sit on it until after the primary. He has made too many gaffes and off color comments that will drive away independents. He never planned on running for president.
If both Trump and DeSantis want a Republican president then they should stay out of the primary.
Trump isn’t the fighter we want, but he’s the one we got. How could anyone else without Trump’s personality stand up to the onslaught that has been heaped upon him? Look how quickly Bernie folded.
Apparently, Trump knows the rules of the game as dictated by the J Power Block. He is willing to pardon the spy Pollard, or allow his son-in-law to handle Israeli affairs, in order to get concessions for the true non-union Working Class and reluctance to fight bankers wars. If Biden is the Manchurian Candidate who is used to hide the real J’ish decision makers, Trump is a genuine Machiavellian in the good sense of the term who wants a Republic not an Oligarchy, who knows how to pick his battles, will lie for a greater good (voxxines), and, thus, is a realist. He seems like a Crypto J but for a different wing than the High Tech Fascists who have taken over the Federal government. How to get him elected when it is renegade county governments that are rigging elections is a quandary.
And Trump is the only American President since JFK who did not adhere to a forever-war agenda, the only one who has NOT started any new war.
Instead of criticising Donald Trump, one should compare him to the reality of the warmongers leading America over the last decades, and acknowledge that it is also this unanimous foreign war agenda that has domestically ruined and enucleated the country’s productive economy.
“Now remember, these FBI informants are kind of in the spy business, and they are not high profile and do not have a habit of being seen.” – Comer
“Now remember, the Orwellian double speak.” – me
When it comes to the jews, Trump DID “give them what ((they)) wanted”. This was all by design as Trump has always been a “deal maker”. Trump KNOWS what jews are like as he has been dealing with them all of his life.
Trump was going to “drop the hammer” on the jews during his second term until the election was stolen from him (us). The jews could not “kennedy” Trump as he was smart enough to have his own security detail interspersed with the secret service. There would have been no way to effect an assassination.
You would have seen the “Palestinian” issues resolved as well as the elimination of the “Bantustan system” for Palestinians as there would have been many (illegal) jewish settlements declared “null and void”. Yes, there would have been much “wailing and gnashing of teeth” by the jews, but that too would have subsided in time.
The future will tell whether Trump’s influence on the jews was helpful or merely a “smokescreen”.
It is my humble opinion that the jews wanted Trump out of office because, as jews always do, did not want to be required to fulfill “their end of the deal”.
It was obvious in 2016 that the Satanists wanted to start a war with Russia using Ukraine as a proxy. The evil orange clown very likely could’ve prevented the war by demanding that Poroshenko and/or Zelensky live up to the Minsk II agreement, but he didn’t. Instead he took it upon himself to start sending weapons to the Ukrainian puppet government and then he bragged about it.
He could’ve gone further and really messed up the Satanists’ plans by establishing good general relations with Russia and China, but he didn’t. Instead he re-instituted cold-war provocations.
The evil orange clown also squandered a unique opportunity to damage the Satanists – perhaps fatally – regarding the 9/11 false-flag attack. The paper published by J. Leroy Hulsey (regarding the destruction of WTC7) would’ve been the perfect reason for him to use the presidential bully pulpit to demand a real investigation into 9/11, but he didn’t.
Even now as things get worse by the day, why don’t we hear the evil orange clown saying anything about getting out of NATO for example? We are perhaps one incident away from TEOTWAWKI yet the evil orange clown is still noncommittal; apparently capable of nothing more than making ambiguous statements from the sidelines.
We are closer to having a nuclear war than ever before and I have to blame the evil orange clown for it as much as I blame Obama and Biden.
If the goal is to end up with a Republican who’s so squishy he’s never made a single 0ff-color remark and just loves him some “legal immigrants,” then I’ll vote Democrat and accelerate this ride. At this point, the only way out is through.
You do realize any candidate to the right of Gavin Newsome is #literallyHitler? Like, literally Tulsi Gabbard is #literallyHitler.
third option: click bait, comments=data=money.
trump is a self-licking israeli asscream cone, just like every other chud candidate that is allowed into the whitehouse. iris, you know too much about 9/11 (that he was going to reveal, right after draining the swamp), to fall for his dog and pony show.
don’t forget that trump started a war when he assassinated soleimani, that is not forgotten by the iranians. this fact alone lets you know trump will back the israeli’s in a war with iran, no matter the circumstances (as will any selected to the office).
Didn’t Trump avoid further aggression when he
c0operated with Iran in their retaliation, such as it was.
We didn’t need Dunhum who, btw, dragged his feet to reveal the obvious.
Jews let this happen cuz of control of media and deep state. And NOTHING will be done to Hillary, Brennan, etc.
This is a gangster fascist state. There is no such thing as democracy. What we need is a national-humanist fascism.
“his primary redeeming qualities are a talent for channeling populist outrage and a certain reluctance to engage in bloody, pointless wars.”
Yeah, is ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT?
Welcome to the late show, pilgrim.
Trump was certainly better than Hillary. I voted for noninterventionist Republicans in earlier Republican primaries like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul, but they never got the nomination. Trump got it because by then it was obvious the Middle East wars were a mistake.
We haven’t reached that point with the Ukraine yet. Congress will keep on voting for military assistance, at least for a while. Eventually, though, as the war drags on Americans will tire of it and the intervention will end. After our thirty-year war against Islam, Americans are increasingly war weary and won’t support another lengthy war.
As a Taiwanese (also self-identified as a Chinese), allow me to present some views on Trump, I agree with most of the following, even though some of them were authored by other Chinese netizens.
1. Voting for Trump risks turning the US into the second most powerful country on earth. Voting for some Catholic pedophile or alt-left madness would turn my son into daughter, and she will reprimand my heterosexuality and Christian faith.
2. No US president save Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
3. I vote for those who favor big boobs, not those who force everyone to favor trans beauty queens.
Chinese netizens have joked that Trump is a communist spy sent by China to topple the US. In my opinion if this were true, then his communist calling quite failed his job. Trump is still too virtuous and hard-working compared to the deep state shit.
LOL!
I’m thinking of registering again for the first time in thirty or so years just to give the pleasing but meaningless FU to the state by voting for the guy. Love him or loathe him, history is made by larger-than-life inflated gas bags like the Donald. And it’s far too late in our national chronicle for my vote to be anything but a meaningless joke, so no harm, no foul. It’s absolutely uncanny how the dissolution of our republic parallels Rome’s loss of its republic. It too melted away, little by little, step by step, in the intoxication of becoming master of the world after annihilating Carthage, and in the manic greed of the few hundred men who really ran the show. Trump reminds me of Rome’s Catiline, a man of the aristocracy come to be a champion of the people in desperate times, vilified to this day as the unspeakable enemy of freedom in the histories written by his elite adversaries. Catiline even had his own comic opera pretend-insurrection. Yet once its republic ended, Imperial Rome dominated the world for four long centuries – a destiny that China, Russia, and the Global South will surely deny the final western colonialist empire. What an ironic fate for the first state to rebel against colonialism, a republic born of the rejection of tyranny that became a more unspeakable tyranny.
The above, subjective and untactful slander is wrongfully assuming an opinion of a huge following. When in fact it is revealing another insult to growing millions of Trump supporters and a fear from Trump 2024 favorable chances.
Clean your foam from your slandering mouth and do not insult millions supporters. You cannot comprehend Trump’s 2016 winning agenda and this country’s much better position with Trump seeking friendship with Putin. All was derailed by the vindictive criminal leftist clique taking over DOJ and security apparatus in Washington.
LOL
Maybe your idiotic position can best be refuted like this:
Your single vote doesn’t do shit, but on the rare occasion that someone comes along who clearly and loudly says that the current system has to end, the swamp needs to be drained and stupid, expensive wars need to end, then your single vote for that person in league with 90 million other votes for that sentiment does, indeed, accomplish something.
The 2016 election of Trump forced the filth to play their dirtiest cards from that date until the present to reveal the nature of the powers we face. I say that’s worth my single vote again.
I don’t think they will let Trump win, but the academic writing this column is showing all his prejudices, but little discernment..By law, Trump must be protected by the Secret Service at all times, so he isn’t going to jail on any of these bogus charges, and petty exercises in futility like voting for minor candidates don’t accomplish anything…
One of our best Presidents was Andrew Jackson, a crude westerner at the time, and I’m sure the author wouldn’t have liked his manners either…
RFK jr is a different kettle of fish who rightly attracts attention for his forthright stands against this evil Regime…
I completely agree with you.
The treatment that President Trump applied to the Palestinians, as well as his authorising of the killing of General Soleimani, were beyond despicable. There is a great UR commenter, posting under Sarz, who even made a convincing case that President Trump himself is Jewish, based on half-revelations made by his brother.
But what Trump did can be explained and excused by cynical and legitimate real-politik: he was trying to get the Israelis off his back, so as to not get JFK’ed and be allowed to achieve a little something for his people, for the American people.
French politicien Leon Gambetta had this striking phrase: “Politics is the art of the possible” (la politique est l’art du possible).
Instead of comparing President Trump to the ideal politician that the USA never had, at least not since JFK was murdered in the line of duty in 1963, people should compare him to the real clowns and criminals that have been ruling America ever since, whose evilness is only the consequence of the catastrophic hijacking American democracy has been victim of.
Blaming Trump for 60 years of oligarchical dictatorship, and expecting him to resolve the problem in 4, is immature at best.
just keep voting harder, redder, you can’t even figure out two card monte, let alone three. go on, find the lady….
Not for at least six or eight months, anyway. All that ever’s been required is yet another Pearl Harbor, and the Establishment’s no less inclined today to exploit its opportunities. Is there something that makes you think otherwise?
The 21st Century u.s.a. may be falling apart, but it remains the most thoroughly propagandized society in human history. Having lived through all of Uncle Sam’s shenanigans since Vietnam, I’m afraid that the only things that will knock the Exceptional! shit from the brains of many Americans are (i) a collapse of the tottering tower of blood, filth, and green ink into its own footprint or (ii) some shock & awe here in The Homeland.
People of good will should do what they can to effect (i) as peacefully and promptly as we can.
who could argue with this?
[I doubt very much that my first-ever vote for a mainstream candidate will be for the loathsome Trump. But the fake-left oligarchs and their lapdog media are working overtime to convince me to at least entertain the possibility.]
I am very disappointed in you, I cannot believe how naive people are. Trump is a Jewish mafia members who does anything for money. He sold the office to pay his debts and made billions of dollars. Not only he is a corrupt ‘businessman’, but also a warmonger and ASSASSIN.
Not only he assassinated General Gassam Soleimani and his entourage to satisfy his master, the Mafia Tribe, but also he wanted to ASSASSINATE President Bashar Assad as he ADMITTED. He is identical to his tribe member, Netanyahu. His mind works as a Mafia member, uses assassination to remove people who are not obedient. Trumps thinks like Netanyahu a member of Likud.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/15/us/elections/trump-claims-he-wanted-to-kill-assad-contradicting-earlier-denials.htmlN
Trump claimed he wanted to kill Assad
{{President Trump claimed on Tuesday that he wanted to assassinate President Bashar al-Assad of Syria early in his presidency, at the height of that country’s bloody civil war, but James N. Mattis, then the secretary of defense, stopped him.
“I would’ve rather taken him out. I had him all set,” Mr. Trump said during a morning appearance on “Fox & Friends.” “Mattis didn’t want to do it. Mattis was a highly overrated general.”}}
what you say is true
what you don’t seem to realize is that as bad as Trump was / is
he’s still orders of magnitude better than the alternative
Particularly, if you’re a Muslim
Zionist Jewish supremacists control the West in absolute terms, and have done so for over a hundred years, so it’s not like we were ever given the choice of a Ron Paul, because ((they)) prevented it.
so, we’re stuck with the lessor of evils, and the evil of Hillary, (‘Assad has to go, we need no-fly zones in Syria right now’, blah, blah), is too horrific to even contemplate.
If you know of a way to get an honorable politician elected in the Western world, then by all means, please tell us how!
Where were Donald Trump and Joe Biden in August 2020?.. Who knows and who cares, but Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was delivering an amazing speech in Berlin – before the largest gathering of (peaceful) public protesters in all of Germany’s history:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-speaks-at-berlin-rally-for-freedom-and-peace/
Let me correct it for you;
Trump is a panderer and sore loser.
Trump is a crook with not one patriotic bone in his body.
Trump the loser doesn’t have a chance in another election.
Trump pardoned israeli spies, jewish crooks, black rappers, yet not the participants in Jan 6.
Due to demographics and his wall that never went up, he doesn’t stand a chance.
I don’t see how you can possibly hold that view. I have just as much (if not more) contempt for the evil orange clown than I do for Obama, Biden and Clinton. For example, as bad as she is (and she’s pure evil) Clinton was at least honest about the foreign policy of confrontation that she’d pursue if elected. Whereas the evil orange clown’s campaign was a calculated bait-and-switch fraud. He won in 2016 by a narrow margin apparently based solely on his misrepresentation of his foreign policy intentions. He stole our votes and betrayed us. He greased the skids for Biden and set us up for everything that’s happening now. The evil orange clown is pure scum, no better than any of the other scum, IMO.
what metrics do you use, Harold, to determine how bad a politician is?
I more or less agree, in the context that she was uber-beligerant and unapologetic for destroying Libya, but she was also dishonest, (lying) about the reasons for doing so. It wasn’t to ‘keep America safe’, or to ‘protect the people of Libya from a dictator, or some other idiotic trope. No. Rather it was in treasonous and slavish fealty to America’s worst enemy.
For the record.
But you’re right, she was upfront about her blood-lust and intent on more and more wars, (and contempt and hatred for half the people of America).
With respect, (and I mean that), I don’t believe it.
I think Trump’s intention was a rapprochement with Russia, and an end to the wars and even pulling out of NATO.
His main bete noire was China, who he perceived was ‘cleaning America’s economic clock’, so to speak. Trump was more into economics, than militarism, from what I could see.
His talk with Putin was called “treasonous” by one of America’s most treasonous scumbags.
But for all his naivete, the Deepstate very quickly set him straight. There would be no pulling out of Syria, (as Trump had clearly advocated), there would be no pulling out of NATO or rapprochement with Russia or any of the other sane efforts of the Trump administration to set the ship of state on a sane course.
I disagree. I think he won because he set himself up as a direct repudiation of the ‘Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/Tweedle Dee and Dumb of America’s ruling establishment for disastrous decades.
He suggested that white Americans were not evil racists for opposing massive and transformational immigration. He said something less-than-gushing about some Mexican immigrants. He said he would build a wall, which was symbolism for protecting the last desperate gasps of a doomed white America.
I can’t read his heart, and I don’t know if even Donald Trump can, because for all his rhetoric, I don’t think Trump has an ideological or principled bone in his body, he’s as vapid and shallow as it gets, but those were his talking points, and that (as cynically pandering as it may have been) is what his voters responded to. The foreign policy sanity was just icing on the cake.
Do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that he was in on the whole election fraud thing, in order to put Biden into the White House?
I confess I don’t know, but I’d consider that a stretch, to say the least.
I don’t want to sing the guy’s praises, because I too have visceral contempt for him, personally. He’s a charlatan and an egoist and utterly unprincipled, and yes, he sold out his base to pander to America’s enemies. In a way, I suppose, that was/is treason.
But he did so some good, it must be admitted. He called the media the enemy of the American people.
This was huge. ~ From what I’ve glimmered over the years, is that Organized Jewry has been at war, (a genocidal war) with white Christians since the fall of Rome and the enslavement of Spain and then co-opting England and then Russia and the World Wars, (huge oversimplification, but you get the idea), and so forth, but the tragic thing is, that most white people don’t even know they’re in a war. Because it is and always has been one-sided, with J-supremacists tirelessly working to destroy white Christendom, and white Christians considering Jews to be their friends and allies, while the knife slides in between the ribs from the back.
‘By deception’.. and so forth.
So for a president of the U.S., to state loudly and repeatedly, that “the media”, (who even the dullest Americans certainly can’t help to notice are Jews), are the enemy of the American people.. well, for that, I give him credit. Also for stating that Israel controls the congress, and that ((9/11)) was never really investigated. And yes, other things, like having Nick Fuentes to lunch, even if he didn’t know at the time who he was. He surely had to know something, as his people can’t be complete imbeciles.
Anyways, yes, give credit where credit is due.
Is Trump a war criminal who should stand before the Hague, (if the Hague wasn’t a joke), yes!
But then which U.S. president isn’t?
Agree!
Disagree!
I have my metrics, that I use to make judgments about people and regimes and so forth.
One of those is the suffering that they cause, and why.
I suppose there is an esoteric, philosophical ethics argument that murdering one person, is as bad as murdering a million, but I’m not that esoteric or philosophical.
For me, arranging the cowardly assassination of Qasem Soleimani was a heinous crime, and moral outrage, for the way it was done, (by inviting him to a peace conference). For that one act, I’d like to see Trump behind bars for the rest of his life. If we lived in a sane world. But we don’t. We live in a world where Christ and morality and sanity are now all out the window. There doesn’t seem to be, (particularly after Waco, TX), even a shred of decency or morality as far as the eyes or even winds can see.
So what once would have been an act so monstrous, as for the American people to demand a head on a pike, now is ho-hum. Just consider the horror and momentous atrocity of ((9/11)), and you get my gist.
So yes, we are at the point (IMHO) of the lessor of evils, and as bad as assassinating the beloved man was, (for me), it’s not as bad as the destruction of an entire nation(s).
It’s not as bad as plunging millions of people’s lives, into utter, dystopian despair, for generations to come.
It’s not as bad as dropping bombs on innocent people, and slaughtering them by the tens or hundreds of thousands, or arming and funding head-slicing orcs, to rape and crucify and burn men alive, and all to sate an insatiable blood-lust for murder and misery and pure hate, that can only bubble up from the depths of depraved evil that emanates as from only the bowels of Satanic Zionism/Organized Jewish supremacism/Old Testament raw hatred on acid ~ times a thousand or two years of honing murderous hate and seething, genocidal racism as a religion, that celebrates as its ‘holiest’ of holidays, the slaughter of children.
I wish I had the eloquence to better describe it.
Others have. The Christ, for one.
“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” –Matthew 23:33
“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” –John 8:44
Amen.
How can you even type that without your fingers and brain exploding?
It’s further proof, I suppose, that UR attracts the biggest contingent of illiterates on the Internet.
My poor father taught English for 30+ years, and is probably rolling over in his ashes.
I just discovered another reason to vote for Trump. If he promises, if reelected, that he will have homes of ALL Democrats inventoried for spare bedrooms, and put illegal immigrants in those spare bedrooms, then he will get the vote of every Republican and most independents.
Let the Democrats house them and feed them- NOT Republican taxpayers!!!
AND he needs an Executive Order, that any illegal immigrant AND their offspring, will NEVER be allowed to vote in America. THAT is why the Democrats want them in America in the first place- to vote Democrat- forever. AND keep them in POWER forever!!!!
Please read this message Mr. Trump!!!
Well it’s clearly not the same metrics you must be using when you conclude for example that Trump is “orders of magnitude better than the alternative.”
But let’s forego the general case for the moment and start with something specific (and objectively indisputable): Obama, Clinton, and Biden are all mass murderers, right? And in April 2017, Trump became a member of that club when he casually, recklessly and remorselessly mass murdered over a dozen people in Syria in cold blood, apparently including some women and children, by way of his immoral, illegal and unconstitutional attack on the Shayrat airbase in Syria. Moreover, in doing this he took serious risks – up to and including the risk of escalation to a direct shooting war with Russia, IMO. So with that one criminal act alone he not only proved himself a liar and a consummate fraud (leaving no doubt that he put jewish extremist interests over American interests), but he placed himself on the same moral plane as Charles Manson.
So as I see it, claiming that Trump “is orders of magnitude better than the alternative” is like claiming that Charles Manson is orders of magnitude better than the Zodiac killer; it makes no sense to me.
I honestly can’t imagine how you arrived at this view. Books could be written about the subject but let’s just look at the early part of Trump’s administration: Trump picked the Russophobic Nikki Haley for UN ambassador before he was even inaugurated, and his first act of “diplomacy” toward Russia, IIRC, was to demand that Russia give back Crimea or face continuing (and/or increased) sanctions; something he knew Russia could not do. I don’t see how this can be construed as anything other than the deliberate sabotage of any chance of rapprochement with Russia. (In fact I would compare Trump’s Russian “diplomacy” to Clinton’s “diplomacy” as exemplified in the infamous “appendix B” of the Rambouillet Agreement).
But here’s the thing: what you perceive that he perceived, and what he actually perceived (or intended), aren’t necessarily the same thing. Frankly I don’t see how you can keep generously giving him the benefit of the doubt, i.e. assuming that he’s acting in good faith with regard to Russia or China, when all the facts seem to suggest otherwise (especially when considering his whole term in retrospect). You proffer that he was really concerned that China is “cleaning America’s economic clock” while he does things like exiting the INF treaty, rebuffing Russia’s legitimate security concerns, publicly declaring a goal of nuclear primacy (starting an arms race that America can’t possibly win) and effectively taking his beloved America back to the most dangerous days of the cold war. From where I’m standing such actions aren’t those of someone who gives the slightest damn about America. And as far as Trump’s trade war against China, I would challenge you to find a single published analysis anywhere which shows that Trump’s tariffs did anything good for his beloved America. Trump did what he did to try to hurt China as per the jewish supremacist agenda, not for the sake of doing anything good for his beloved America
Well of course, because talk is cheap and such talk provides effective political cover.
You seem to be misrepresenting the situation. There’s a difference between maintaining the status quo and taking a calculated action to make something worse, i.e. “first, do no harm.” At the end of Obama’s term there were less than 300 U.S. troops in Syria. Presumably it wouldn’t have been a very big deal to pull those troops out. Yet as soon as he was inaugurated Trump immediately escalated in Syria. By Sept. 2017 there were over 1700 U.S. troops in Syria. As I recall, the Russians Foreign Ministry was asking at the time who was actually in charge, since the immediate post-inauguration escalation of the illegal U.S. military deployment in Syria was contrary to Trump’s pre-election intimations/rhetoric. Finally, why didn’t the “deep state” force Obama to escalate in Syria?
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/12/01/566798632/under-trump-u-s-troops-in-war-zones-are-on-the-rise
Hold on a minute. Trump had four years to pull out of Afghanistan but he refused. So how was Biden able to pull out of Afghanistan when Trump couldn’t/wouldn’t? And why was it Trump, and not Obama, who did the dirty work of exiting the INF treaty, for example? And why was it Trump and not Obama who first started sending weapons to Ukraine?
In essence you seem to be contradicting yourself. If according to you “the Deepstate very quickly set him straight” is the excuse for Trump’s betrayals, then how can you possibly also say that he’s “orders of magnitude better than the alternative(s)”? IOW if both Trump and “the alternative(s)” are dutifully following “deepstate” orders what’s the basis upon which you make such a drastic distinction between them?
Well you certainly have a right to your own opinion, but to me the facts suggest otherwise. IIRC it was by a narrow margin of victory of less than 80,000 votes spread across three swing states – MI, PA and WI – which put Trump the White House. And Trump’s winning margin in these three states was less than the number of Sanders’ supporters who voted for him in these states. And AFAIK the only thing which Trump and Sanders had in common was that both were perceived to be antiwar/anti-interventionist candidates. IOW the facts of the matter seem to imply that if Trump had been honest about his intent to pursue a confrontational foreign policy with Russia, China, Iran and Venezuela, he’d very likely have lost the election. I know he wouldn’t have got my vote and I know there are others who feel the same. If he did not get the vote of 12% (or something like that) of Sanders’ supporters, he’d have lost the election to Clinton.
So “(you) can’t read his heart” (i.e. you don’t know what his intent was) and according to you, he’s unprincipled and shallow, and according to you he followed orders from the “deepstate,” yet you claim that he’s nevertheless somehow “orders of magnitude better than the alternative(s).”
Paul Craig Roberts has repeatedly impliedly claimed a unique insight into Trump’s “intent,” which is apparently the basis for Roberts’ staunch support for Trump. Despite everything Trump did (or failed to do) which suggests otherwise, Roberts clings to his claim that Trump always had good intentions. Although I vehemently disagree with Roberts about Trump’s intent, I can understand where he’s coming from but you’ve now said that you don’t know what Trump’s intentions are/were yet you take the same position as PCR; so I find your position even more baffling than that of Roberts.
I have to stop here as I’m out of time…
Netanyahu’s behind was on fire when he watched the following:
When it comes to the jews, Trump DID “give them what ((they)) wanted”. This was all by design as Trump has always been a “deal maker”. Trump KNOWS what jews are like as he has been dealing with them all of his life.
Trump was going to “drop the hammer” on the jews during his second term until the election was stolen from him (us). The jews could not “kennedy” Trump as he was smart enough to have his own security detail interspersed with the secret service. There would have been no way to effect an assassination.
You would have seen the “Palestinian” issues resolved as well as the elimination of the “Bantustan system” for Palestinians as there would have been many (illegal) jewish settlements declared “null and void”. Yes, there would have been much “wailing and gnashing of teeth” by the jews, but that too would have subsided in time.
The future will tell whether Trump’s influence on the jews was helpful or merely a “smokescreen”.
It is my humble opinion that the jews wanted Trump out of office because, as jews always do, did not want to be required to fulfill “their end of the deal”.
on certain issues Harold, we have to agree to disagree
I believe that Trump wanted to end the wars in Syria and Afghanistan and elsewhere. I believe he wanted rapprochement with Russia. I don’t think it was all a ruse. I think he considered the war on Iraq and the other wars to be disastrous and way too costly to justify. But I think his efforts to end the wars were thwarted by the Deepstate, and by fellow Republicans who were in the pay of Sheldon Adelson and assorted defense contractors. I don’t think he wanted to appoint Niki Haley or John Bolton or any of those assholes like Mike Pompeo or Christopher Wray. I think those appointments were forced upon him by the Deepstate and his fellow Republicans, who demanded it, or they would have been even more intractable than they already were.
But that is all speculation. I have no way of knowing what was or is in his heart. Like I said, he’s a shallow and vapid man to begin with, but being against the (disastrous and very costly) wars didn’t take a genius.
But it seems your main argument is with the ‘Trump is “orders of magnitude better than the alternative.”
And as far as this goes, I can say with 100% certainty, that such is my view. And I’ll explain why, starting with George Dubya Bush, and everything he represents, because it is the Bush/Cheney/Kristol (neocon) wing of the GOP, who was most against Trump, and has fought him every step of the way.
(((9/11))), the Patriot Act, NDAA, “seven nations in five years’, the Iraq war..
I think that about covers the Bush administration, and why Trump was “orders of magnitude” better.
Then there’s Obama, and we have the destruction of Libya, the unspeakable atrocities of the Syrian war, the refusal to end Gitmo, as he promised, and the systematic undermining of white America as the enemy of the Obama regime.
Admittedly not as bad as (((9/11)) – which for sheer treasonous treachery and historic betrayal of a people and nation, is unprecedented in all of history, as far as I can see. So that’s a pretty high bar indeed. But Obama does have his precedents, like assassinating a U.S. citizen by drone, and thereby negating all of the very hard won human liberties from tyranny going back to the Magna Carta, and subverting not just the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, and all the struggles and blood and heroic efforts of our founders to create those rights, and protections, all to have Obama treat it all like used toilet paper. And when I write “it”, what he did by subverting “it”, by unilaterally assassinating a U.S. citizen without due process, is something more egregious than I admit, I can even comprehend. Such is the profound way in which it sends our civilization, and the Rule of Law, tumbling back centuries to the rule of the jungle.
Orders of magnitude? Absolutely.
And last of all, we get to Hillary.
Hillary came on my radar screen after the smoke had cleared from Waco, and we Americans were struggling to comprehend what had happened. A church compound had been the scene of a standoff with the FBI and ATF, where tanks were being used against American citizens, who had been assaulted by armed federal agents, and had eventually returned fire. So it was a standoff, and eventually they burned all the people alive, and then lied about it.
Janet Reno accepted the responsibility, but I confess I always figured Hillary was behind it all. Bill was a no-account philanderer and huckster, but never seemed to me a stone-cold psychopath. But that is exactly what Hillary does, and has always seemed to me to be.
I eventually have come to regard her as the very worst person alive. On the whole planet, especially now that John McCain is in hell. The only competition for that dubious distinction, is Dick ((9/11)) Cheney. But for me, she’s basically it. Not just willing to murder untold Americans, including children, and including by burning them alive, (if they defy her power), but willing and able and eager, and gloating and cackling about, destroying entire nations.
Here she is with Madeleine ‘it’s worth it’ Albright
here she is cackling over the war in Iraq (I had hell of a time finding this)
Check it out from 42 to 45 seconds.
Video Link
That’s the Hillary I’ve come to know. Let that cackle, (and what she’s cackling over, a war based on lies, fought on behalf of America’s enemy), is the true id of Hillary Clinton, as far as I’m concerned.
She viscerally hates half the country for being white and Christian and having traditional values. She destroys entire nations and is complacent, (or complicit) at high level members of her staff being tortured to death. She giggles uncontrollably with self-satisfied glee, at the torture-lynching of the best leader of a nation on the African continent, and the destruction of that nation, plunging it into a dystopian hell on earth for generations.
She is, as far as I’m concerned, the very worst psychopathic monster, and murderer, and treasonous scum, and hatred consumed bitch. On the planet. Bar none.
Orders of magnitude? Oh fuck yes!
It is my unwavering opinion, too.
During all my adult lifetime, I have never seen the EU/UK loathsome political class of sycophantic goons ever stand up to American Jewish power. The only man who tried was Dominique de Villepin, who refused in 2003 to send France participate in the rape of Iraq; for that, he was terminally cancelled and his career entirely finished off.
Yet, around 2019, as kicked by some mysterious signal from above, all these goons suddenly stood up like one against Donald Trump, ignoring him publicly, criticising him publicly, and even refusing to meet him sometimes.
This choreographed European unanimity did not happen by chance, but because their globalist masters had instructed them and informed them in advance that Trump would never be allowed to win the 2020 election.
The corollary is that, whoever the real Deep State PTB’s are, they were standing behind Biden at the time, and will put all their formidable power against Trump this time again. The only short-term hope for the American people is the occurrence of some huge external events, so catastrophic that it destroys any credibility left to the US Deep State. A major Russian victory in Ukraine, or a major recession, for instance…. Hopefully, this will flush out the POS European politicians, too.
Can you cite actual evidence that Trump was going to reverse course in his second term and become the most anti-Israel president ever (after being the most abject presidential slave to Israel ever throughout his first term)? Your scenario sounds like a Q-Anon-style fantasy to me.
I’m writing a piece related to the Presidency, Jewish influence and antisemitism, do you mind if I borrow your brilliant comment
This is your own purely subjective personal opinion which is not supported by facts.
This is your own purely subjective personal opinion which is not supported by facts.
This is your own purely subjective personal opinion which is not supported by facts.
You’re just speculating wildly, which doesn’t rise to the level of an argument. I usually find myself in agreement with the substance of your many comments here, but when it comes to Trump, none of what you’re saying makes any sense. For example, in comment #55 you said:
First, it’s a matter of indisputable fact that Trump not only refused to end the immoral, illegal and unconstitutional U.S. military adventure in Syria but significantly expanded it. So if as you claim “(you) can’t read his heart,” then what exactly is the basis for your above stated belief that “he wanted to end the (war) in Syria…” when he in fact did the opposite?
Second, how do you explain his unwavering support of Israel and all things Zionist? After everything he’s done to put Israel before America and the risks he’s taken for Zionist causes, you’re actually going to claim that he has “(no) ideological…bone in his body”? Contrary to what you claim, Trump clearly has an ideological commitment to Zionism; and since Zionism is a manifestation of pure evil, simple syllogistic reasoning demonstrates that Trump has an ideological commitment to evil, and this explains everything anyone needs to know about Trump: the man does what he does because he’s evil.
And with this I am probably done discussing this subject.
No one wants to talk about this verse?
https://destinedtoberevealed.com/the-identity-of-the-great-whore-revealed/
Your gut is right. You can’t vote your way out of this. CIA impunity and arbitrary power will only get cured by war. Pull the fuckers out of the Cherenkov-glowing rubble, expose their crimes, and hang them.
The war and subsequent tribunals will go more smoothly if CIA has been weakened by resort to suppression of protest candidates from the left and right and by concerted international suasion the emboldens legislative opportunists. We needed Churches and Pikes and Schlesingers to bring home the legal pressure of the ILC and treaty bodies. Now we need contemporary equivalents to charge CIA crimes.
Denazification as demanded by the Russians is a workaround, because CIA criminality goes way beyond anything the Nazis ever did.
I think that what the Trump presidency glaringly revealed is the extreme extent to which the mechanics really operating American political power were covert and concealed.
Because Trump would quite often rebel against what he was being “advised”/told to do by the real PTB’s, we, the global public, discovered that the US Presidency is almost an empty suit. That orders and policies are decided by others than the individual elected. This inadequacy between Trump’s behaviour and the usual consensual ways of his predecessors is truly the origin of Trump being presented as temperamental and unpredictable: he was not willing to play the game.
Others before him, Clinton and Obama in particular, sometimes resisted pressure from what we suspect to be the “Deep State”, or “Jewish Power”, but always in a way that the power game they were playing remained hidden to the public. Trump, on the contrary, seemed to deliberately make the antagonism public, so as to take Americans as witnesses of what he was going through. Trump is an intelligent man, we have to give him that: there is a reason for him exposing that his hands were tied, and this reason was to open the public’s eyes.
I personally call President Trump the Recalcitrant Imperialist: he really was the most “anti-unnecessary wars” president since JFK.
Regarding his positions on Syria and other war-related matters, I warmly recommend to read this article by Christian Parenti:
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/02/15/trump-empire-they-hated-him/
And straight from the Netanyahu fan club:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CPRT-116SPRT44275/html/CPRT-116SPRT44275.htm
Whether we like Trump or not, approve of him of not, we have to raise the bar and recognise that changing a long-established reality might be a difficult task, that the chaos throughout his presidency revealed how impossibly far-hijacked by secret vested interests is the presidential institution. American presidents were usually willing participants in the ZOG empire’s pantomime of power; Trump was not. And maybe cleaning in 4 years a putrid swamp that had been going on for 60 years was never a realistic plan in the first place. With regards.
As I see it, the subversion of the national political process, and the overthrow of the rule of law and the constitution was plain to see long before Trump became president.
Unless you’re referring to the “PTB’s (sic)” who take a somewhat more moderate position on support for Israel, or those who take a somewhat less aggressive position regarding China, or those who don’t think it’s a good idea to start another arms race and go back to the most dangerous days of the cold war, I’m not sure who or what what Trump may have actually rebelled against. Lip service doesn’t count as “rebellion” in my view. All I saw from Trump was a lot of excuses and disingenuous posturing while doing the same kind of anti-American “deep state” dirty work as his predecessors.
That’s up to individual elected. The individual elected has a mouth to speak with, hands to write with, the authority of the office of president to assert power and a moral choice to do good or evil. So the the “just following orders” excuse doesn’t work; it’s a red herring. Trump could’ve used the presidential bully pulpit to announce to the world that he’s ordering the justice dept. to conduct a thorough investigation into the collapse of WTC7 based upon the results of the study by J. Leroy Hulsey et al. Of course Trump didn’t do anything of the kind because Trump doesn’t represent or even give the slightest damn about America. Trump represents jewish power.
Trump’s game, apparently, was to do the same “deep state” dirty work as his predecessors while posturing, making excuses and being willingly “victimized” by the “deep state” in an effort to gaslight the peasantry. Con man Trump gambled that he could have it both ways but he found out differently. Con man Trump’s betrayals are what reanimated the political corpse of sleazy Joe Biden, IMO.
This is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. Upon being inaugurated, Trump immediately increased U.S. troop levels everywhere except in Germany and Cuba. He may have reduced the numbers at some point after that but IIRC he ordered the DOD to stop publishing information about deployed troop levels.
Trump should’ve and could’ve immediately ended the military misadventure in Syria – where there is the danger of a direct shooting war with Russia – but instead he escalated, just as his jewish supremacist handlers wanted him to do.
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/12/01/566798632/under-trump-u-s-troops-in-war-zones-are-on-the-rise
BTW we could also say that “Biden didn’t start any new wars.” And we could go further and say it was Biden who actually ended the war in Afghanistan not Trump; so if Trump is a hero for not starting any new wars (even though it seems that’s what he tried to do, e.g. against Iran) then Joe Biden is an American superhero for not only not starting any new wars but for actually ending one.
Except that Bidden started the closest thing to WW3, nothing less, the most dangerous situation humankind has been into since the 1962 Cuba missile crisis, for it threatens Russia at its doorstep and entails a nuclear response.
It is him who, just one year in office, deliberately kicked off the Ukraine war, by greenlighting a Zelensky Feb 2021 all-out attack on the Donbass, which preceded and triggered the Russian “Special Military Operation” in response.
I can’t believe you can’t see the difference between those raving nutters and Donald Trump. And that is from a 100% Left-leaning individual.
I suppose it could be argued that Obama actually started it (a war against both Russia and Ukraine) by overthrowing the government of Ukraine, which was an act of war according to the public declarations of many U.S. politicians (as per when the shoe was purportedly on the other foot). Perhaps we could also say that Trump started it (or at least seriously escalated it) in the sense that he was the first U.S. president to actually send weapons to Ukraine. But yes, as we see Biden has drastically escalated it, apparently bringing us closer to nuclear war than ever before.
I agree. But here’s the thing: One of the main reasons I voted for Trump in 2016 was to stop this self-destructive militaristic madness before it got any worse. It seemed obvious to me during Obama’s second term that the U.S. “government” was headed for war with Russia and China. For example, it was during Obama’s presidency that the dangerously destabilizing programs to upgrade the fuzing on U.S. SLBMs and the so-called “European Phased Adaptive Approach” (EPAA) i.e. the “Aegis Ashore” “missile defense system” projects were begun.
And now comes Donald Trump, the man who was going to take on the “deep state” and save America. And as fate would have it, Trump was presented with several historic golden opportunities to do just that, which he immediately squandered.
As I see it, on March 1, 2018, in his State of the Nation Address, Vladimir Putin threw Trump a bone when he announced the development and approaching deployment of new Russian weapon systems which would make U.S. efforts at nuclear blackmail or a nuclear first-strike against Russia a dangerous and pointless waste of money doomed to failure. And what did Trump do? Instead of using this golden opportunity to negotiate with Russia and avoid an arms race, Trump doubled down on failure. He subsequently publicly declared a goal of “nuclear primacy,” announced the creation of a “space force” (apparently so as to weaponize space and threaten Russia and China from above) and he pulled out of the INF treaty.
Well when I said that “Joe Biden is an American superhero for not only not starting any new wars but for actually ending one” I was just being facetious to make a point. Biden took a preexisting hybrid war with Russia and escalated it to the point of risking planetary extinction. But when judged by the same cherry-picked/decontextualized criteria – the “no new wars” cliche proffered by Trump supporters – we could even make Biden look not so bad on paper. To put it another way, in order to appreciate the evil that is Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama, etc., you have to look at the big picture. (BTW I do see a difference between Trump and Biden but it is only the kind of difference I see between Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway).
I’ll reply to this quip, because by doing so, I’ll also be responding to others vis-a-vis my opinion of Trump’s respective legacy.
Woodrow Wilson betrayed the Constitution, he facilitated the most notorious false flag at the time, with the Lusitania, he betrayed all the people who voted for him to keep America out of the war, he betrayed Germany with his Fourteen Points ruse of national self-determination, he facilitated Trotsky’s adventures in Russia to destroy that nation and beyond, he facilitated the ((Federal Reserve Bank)), and the Income Tax, and all of it on behalf of Zionist Jewish supremacists at the direct expense of America, and Germany and Russia and Western civilization itself.
His legacy are the millions of people slaughtered by dragging out WWI, and the 60+ million people slaughtered during WWII, which was a continuation of WWI, and all the deaths and horrors that have resulted from Jewish supremacist bankers being in control of the nations of the Western world, and all the horrors, post ((9/11)), that are a direct result of that unspeakable litany of treasons.
FDR was seminal in fomenting WWII, and his name is on the dead.
Truman served Jewish power slavishly.
Eisenhower also ran death camps, and was instrumental in the subjugation of Iran over to ZOG.
Johnson recalled the jets that were scrambled to assist the USS Liberty, and imposed the cover up of that heinous and cowardly act of war.
Nixon gave us the Oil Embargo, took the dollar off the gold standard, and fought a clandestine war on Israel’s behalf during the Yom Kipur war.
Bush I armed Saddam with chemical weapons, so long as they were used on Iranians, and then tricked Saddam into going into Kuwait, so he could declare a war.
Clinton bombed Serbia, and thereby ended the post-WWII International Law based Order.
Bush II gave us ((9/11)). the Patriot Act, NDAA, Iraq war, and is responsible for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent deaths.
Obama destroyed Libya, and tried to destroy Syria.
All told, the levels of treason, murder and suffering caused by these presidents, is incalculable, but I’d estimate, including the World Wars and communism in general, is in the hundreds of millions.
And all of it, in every single case, was perpetrated on Zionism’s, (global Jewish supremacists) behalf.
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Trump assassinated a beloved general, and caused the death of perhaps dozens more.
Nothing to dismiss, but a very significant difference, and I suspect the reason so many people consider Trump’s slavish fealty to Israel as unprecedented, is because more than any other president, Trump was up front about it. He made symbolic edicts about the American embassy and the Golan Heights, which in and of themselves, didn’t kill anyone, at least that I know of. He said Israel controls the congress, and said that was good.
Trump’s treasonous fealty to Israel was out in the open. Not so any of those other presidents, who when speaking, had never heard of Zionism. But who behind the scenes, where willing to cause the death of their nation and the mass-slaughter of millions, all to sate the infinite hate of ZOG.
Just, to help sort of put things into perspective, IMHO, vis-a-vis Trump respective guilt compared to other presidents, (and what I wrote is just off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s a lot more).
Not just “tried”; he did. Obama did destroy Syria, which is in ruins. The only difference with what he did to Libya is that he could not bring down the sitting government and kill the head of state.
And don’t forget that by expanding the illegal U.S. military occupation of Syria to include the oil producing and agricultural areas, enthusiastic deep state team player Trump did his best for his jewish supremacist handlers to keep Syria in ruins by depriving it of the economic benefit of its natural resources.
You can say all you want about Trump, Harold, and I’m sure most of it is true.
But one thing that is obvious, is that Trump wanted to get out of Syria.
There are endless videos and Tweets and speeches, there is no doubt that he wanted out, but that behind the scenes forces were too strong in the other direction.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/2018-04-04/ty-article/donald-trump-wants-out-of-syria-israel-thinks-thats-a-problem/0000017f-db50-df9c-a17f-ff585e790000
that is just one link of dozens or more I could post showing that Trump wanted out of Syria.
Criticize him all you want for the many things he did that were terrible, but please don’t be disingenuous about the things he tried to do that were good. (and yes, there were some things).
I’ve been reading your posts here on Unz, for quite some time now Harold, and I’ve come to consider you a very astute and intelligent person who participates in good faith. And I generally agree with you.
But I’ve also noticed what I consider to be a personal hatred for Donald Trump, something that it seems plagues half the nation, and even half the planet.
Mexicans hate Donald Trump. Muslims hate Donald Trump, not for the wars, but for his clamp-down on immigration. Liberal Jews and shitlibs hate, hate – HATE – Donald Trump, and so do a lot of Christians hate Donald Trump, and with the latter, I’m not sure why. They didn’t hate Bill Clinton like that, or Obama or even Hillary. But their hatred for Trump is (what I perceive as) nether-worldly. Something I can’t put my finger on, but it is a thing.
I recall talking to an old guy from New York once, who knew of Donald Trump from his days in the city, and he was generally this kindly old man, gracious and unflappable, but when it came to the issue of Donald Trump, the guy’s face got red, and he came unglued, and seemed to ‘lose it’, frothing with spittle flying that ‘Trump is a liar!
It was really quite something to see.
I confess I don’t get it. I hated (in a way) John McCain, and I’m glad he’s dead. But I never hated anyone with the kind of passion that so many people seem to hate, (viscerally, and in a kind of unhinged way), Donald Trump.
Just as observation of mine. I’m not trying to impugn anyone’s motives or character or anything else. Just making an observation, which of course, maybe I’m completely wrong about.
You are correct. Trump was President, not God Emperor. He had to deal with a Non-MAGA House, Non-MAGA Senate, and Non-MAGA Judiciary.
In Syria, U.S. troops were in a kill sack between Turkish and Syrian lines. The slightest mistake would have resulted in dead Americans and an expanded war. The idea of “securing oil” was an obviously bogus fig leaf. Trump successfully moved American forces away from a very exposed position.
At this point, the tiny numbers of forces there are serving an intelligence role monitoring Iran and its proxies. A peace deal that gets Iran, Turkey, and the U.S. out of Syria will be achievable in Trump’s 2nd term.
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Similarly, Trump functionally ended the engagement in Afghanistan.
Someone figured out Gen. SJW Milley’s plan to deliberately fail the withdrawal. The intelligent Trump administration idled combat activity while working on a viable exit to end run the Deep State trap. Time expired on that. Then, Not-The-President Biden delivered an ‘own goal’ by blundering to the trap set for the prior administration.
PEACE 😇
This is neither fair, nor accurate.
Starting from as far back as 2012, the US “Deep State” had started organising the funding of its Islamic terrorist attack dogs in Syria to the stratospheric level of at least 1 billion US$ per year. This funding was in great part provided by the USA, but also by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, all stakeholders in the rape of Syria, and whose various affiliated militant factions had already occupied all of the “useful” Syrian territory back then.
This covert action, known to all informed analysts in the Global South, was called “Operation Timber Sycamore”, and was revealed to the credulous and dumbed-down Western public only in January 2016 by the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/world/middleeast/us-relies-heavily-on-saudi-money-to-support-syrian-rebels.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore
By 2012 already, the Syrian governmental forces were so overwhelmed that they could not even venture into Damascus’ suburb (Rif Dimashq/ريف دمشق), let alone control their agricultural and oil-rich lands. They had to fight a long battle that lasted until 2018 just to secure the Syrian capital. Talking about any control beyond that is pure fantasy. And the Syrians wouldn’t have even succeeded if not for the international help (Russia, Iran, Lebanon) that started from 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif_Dimashq_Governorate_campaign
In his outstanding 2017 book “Shadow Wars”, historian Christopher Davidson implacably proved that the Obama administration had knowingly and deliberately used ISIS / Daesh as a strategic asset to be wielded against its “enemies”. This benevolence extended to offering the cover of US Air Force to ISIS operations, while in the same time pretending to fight it in the American domestic media.
Christopher Davidson highlights how US Director of Intelligence James Clapper cynically and publicly threatened the Russians in 2015, of them risking a second Afghanistan-like bloodbath, should Russia decide to fight the 65,000 men-strong A-Qaeda legion in charge with bringing down the Assad government
When he was unexpectedly elected in 2016, Trump inherited a situation managed by the Clinton gang of goons, one of whom, Jake Sullivan, if I remember correctly, had declared that “Al Nusra was doing a great job in Syria“.
This is the level of disaster that was thrown at Trump when he took over: a disastrous, inextricable situation, and notwithstanding all the other savages, Saudi, Qatari and Turkish counterpart who all wanted a return on their investment and who, in the case of Turkey, continued to independently occupy “their” share of Syria without Trump’s involvement.
For all his crass declarations and despicable bravado, Trump cannot be held responsible for a catastrophe that long preceded his election.
What I say about Trump is based on observation and reasoning. (BTW don’t forget that I voted for Trump in 2016; that I was a big Trump supporter before Trump betrayed all of us).
How can you possibly say it’s “obvious” under the circumstances? Or maybe the proper question is: What exactly do you mean by the word “wanted”? Perhaps you use the word in a purely abstract sense. For example, since John Dillinger made a career of robbing banks, and risked his life and freedom to rob banks, I would say that John Dillinger “wanted” to rob banks. And I think most people would probably agree with this assessment. But in some abstract sense at some level of consciousness maybe John Dillinger didn’t really “want” to rob banks. Is that where you’re coming from here?
Unfortunately talk is cheap and Trump is a pathological liar and a con man, and for such a liar such communication is the coin of the realm, so what else should we expect but all kinds of “Tweets and speeches,” right?
And just because a Haaretz headline makes an ambiguous statement that “Donald Trump Wants Out of Syria” – that doesn’t really mean anything at all. It’s just hand-waving.
Let’s face it, Trump is a hard-core militant Zionist extremist in the service of hard-core jewish militant Zionist extremists, e.g. Sheldon Adelson, and Sheldon Adelson was in favor of U.S. intervention in Syria.
https://www.newsweek.com/sheldon-adelson-donald-trump-republicans-donations-1560883
https://www.cnbc.com/2013/09/10/obamas-unlikely-ally-sheldon-adelson.html
So Trump is a hard-core militant Zionist extremist who took lots of money from hard-core jewish militant Zionist extremist, Sheldon Adelson, and Sheldon Adelson was a proponent of U.S. military intervention in Syria, but Trump’s military escalation in Syria under the circumstances was just some kind of a coincidence?
Perhaps Trump “wanted” to get out of Syria in the sense that he wanted to overthrow the Assad government and install a puppet government in Syria, whereupon he could get out of Syria. IOW he really, truly, honestly “wanted” to get out of Syria – but only on his terms.
If that’s what you mean I would agree with you, but my bigger point here (with which you obviously disagree) is that Trump is no better than Obama, Clinton or Biden in any meaningful sense. And if this is the case you will have done to the word “wanted” in this context what Paul Craig Roberts did to the word “intended”; i.e. made it essentially meaningless, IMO.
Seriously? Let’s say for the sake of argument that he did some “good” things. What good are all these ostensibly “good” things if between the bad things he did and the good things that he failed to do, e.g. stop the drive to WW3 with Russia and/or China, America is now doomed to be reduced to a pile of nuclear ash (which is obviously where we’re headed)?
Thank you. And I could say the exact same thing about you and your many comments here (with one particular exception).
Well of course I hate Trump; why wouldn’t I when he betrayed me and squandered a historic opportunity to save America? How can you not see Trump for the evil that he is?
Okay so you’re going to take advantage of my somewhat sloppy wording and resort to pedantry and a strawman argument?
I said:
“And don’t forget that by expanding the illegal U.S. military occupation of Syria to include the oil producing and agricultural areas, enthusiastic deep state team player Trump did his best for his jewish supremacist handlers to keep Syria in ruins by depriving it of the economic benefit of its natural resources.”
Allow me to rephrase it: If Israel-first-America-last-hard-core-militant-Zionist-extremist Trump had pulled the troops out of Syria instead of escalating the illegal military adventure there, no doubt the Syrian government (with Russian help) would have taken control of the whole country back by now, including the oil producing and agricultural land held by U.S. backed terrorists. Capisce?
it was obvious because he kept on making the point, over and over, in several different venues and in every single way he could. He broadcasted it from the Bully Pulpit as best as he could.
But to no avail, because of the power of the neocons and ((Deepstate)) and MIC, and whore Republican (and Democrat) politicians in the pay of Adelson and Saban and their ilk.
Like I said, there are dozens of videos and Tweets of him saying, and explaining his resolve and his rationale. I just don’t have the patience to find them all, because even if I did, I don’t think that would change your mind one whit.
huh?
You’re right. What Obama and Hillary did in Libya and Syria, and what Biden is doing in Ukraine and domestically, are far, far worse in their enormity, than even assassinating the general, or killing some Syrians. War crimes to be sure, but nothing like destroying an entire nation, (and the best run nation on the African continent), and sending sub-human head-slicing orcs into Syria to crucify Christians and rape girls wholesale, and burn men alive. When they weren’t torturing men and boys before they executed them.
What they unleashed upon those people was an evil beyond comprehension, and all in slavish service to ZOG. What Trump did by firing a few missiles, and killing a few, was bad, but NOTHING like what Obama and Hillary had wrought. Not to mention Obama and Hillary’s tireless efforts to destroy every last shred of decency domestically. And for that, they didn’t even need motivation from ZOG. Destroying Heritage America was a labor of love, for the likes of them.
Had he won, I’d posit there would be no war in Ukraine today.
And I’ve already given a litany of some of the things he did that were ‘good’, like pointing out to the American people that the media are their enemy.
Like mentioning that ((9/11)) has never been properly investigated.
And some other things, for which I find it somewhat distasteful to act as Trump’s apologist, because I personally despise the man, and consider his term as a disaster. But even so, not near as bad as the alternative, who as you rightly point out, is dragging the world to the brink of nuclear ash.
Perhaps I can, (even if I don’t viscerally hate him, but rather despise him). But the chasm between us, is simply in how bad I see the alternatives, like Liz Cheney, who I imagine I’d walk though hell itself, to vote for Trump, if she was the alternative.
Ditto Dan Crenshaw, or Hillary Clinton, or Marco Rubio, or Tom Cotton, or Mitt, or any number of evil twats who would pull out all the stops to give ZOG everything that it demanded, and more.
Our only differences are on the question of degree of treason. Trump is treasonous, (and in a sane nation, should have hanged by the neck), but the problem is Hillary is waaayyyyy worse.
And Liz Cheney is like the gorgon fiend herself. ZOG wouldn’t even have to give her instructions. She’d be bombing Russia and China and Iran and middle America, if for no other reason than in revenge for how she was humiliated in Montana. (or Wyoming or wherever that vicious hag is from).
Our political class comes from the very worst human beings on the planet. And that says something about ZOG, who has carefully selected and groomed them, and who they serve so slavishly.
So because Trump “kept on making the point” (some magical number of times), this somehow proves that he was acting/speaking in good faith and we should take his statements at face value accordingly? I think not.
ROTFL! Seriously? By this “reasoning” every scumbag politician can be exculpated for every stupid, self-destructive, illegal, immoral, unconstitutional act. For example, IIRC, according to his prior statements, Biden didn’t want to send Patriot missile systems and tanks to Ukraine “[b]ut to no avail, because of the power of the neocons and ((Deepstate)) and MIC, and whore Republican (and Democrat) politicians blah blah blah…” So we have to conclude that Biden really is a good guy just like Trump because he obviously didn’t want to escalate the war in Ukraine any more than Trump wanted to escalate the war in Syria.
Well I have to take a break for a while as this discussion is getting a little too absurd.
that’s not what I said, but whatever..