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As Yogi Berra might say, you can observe a lot just by watching what the mainstream Mockingbird mavens’ Mighty Wurlitzer is churning out. This week it was bats, bats, bats!

The Washington Post, even more than The New York Times if that’s possible, operates at the discretion of the folks in and around the National Security Council and related entities. So we may assume that a directive came down from on high last week to push back against the growing public realization that COVID-19 is a bioweapon…and to try to steer the COVID-as-bioweapon discussion away from the truth—that COVID-19 almost certainly emerged out of a covert/deniable US bio-attack on China and Iran—toward a “blame China” limited hangout.

This propaganda strategy hinges on the logical fallacy known as the false dichotomy, otherwise known as the fake dilemma: presenting two possibilities as if they were the only ones. A classic example is Bush Jr.’s mantra you are either with us or you’re with the terrorists. The third possibility that one is neither with Bush nor with al-Qaeda—and hidden beneath that, the unspeakable truth that “we” ARE the terrorists—is made invisible.

Regarding COVID origins, we are told that either the virus emerged naturally from Chinese bats (thanks to the disgusting eating habits of those wet-market-loving slanty-eyed bat soup slurpers) or it escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (making the Chinese government liable for trillions of dollars in damages). Heads I win, tails you lose!

The third, most obvious, best-supported-by-evidence interpretation—that COVID emerged from a US bio-attack on China designed to be blamed on China—is deliberately excluded and rendered unspeakable. Instead we are bombarded with bats, bats, bats!

Idiotic as it may seem to those apprised of the facts, the Post’s batty propaganda is a demonically clever psychological warfare ploy. Bats, as everyone knows, are creepy, scary little leathery-winged snaggletoothed critters associated with madness, rabies, vampires, haunted houses, and “batshit crazy conspiracy theories.” To Westerners, the idea that human beings might deliberately eat such vile and disgusting creatures is almost unthinkable. Endlessly reminded that (some) Chinese people buy live bats in wet markets and slaughter them for soup, the typical Western propaganda target is overcome by racist disgust and revulsion.

And here’s where it gets interesting. The right-wing Westerner, relatively at ease with his natural impulses and emotions (like racist disgust and revulsion) is just straightforwardly overwhelmed by loathing for all things Chinese. But the left-liberal Westerner, the secularist heir to Puritans and Protestants who obsessively repressed their natural feelings, is so ashamed of his “racist” emotional reaction to Chinese bat soup imagery that he rams it deep into his unconscious mind and buries it full fathom five beneath endless shovelfuls of bat guano.

Unfortunately for our liberal, tolerant Westerner, that illustrious heir to Enlightenment philosophies of reason and transparency, burying a powerful emotional image deep in your unconscious doesn’t make it any less powerful. On the contrary, the repressed material has a way of seizing control of the person unawares. So our hypothetical liberal Westerner has no idea that he has been taken over by a “racist trope” in the same way that mice, cats, and humans are taken over by toxoplasmosis. Our kind and gentle liberal will—unbeknownst to himself—wander stupidly, dazed and confused, into the mouth of the neocon War Party, just as the toxoplasmosis-crazed mouse wanders into the mouth of the cat.

The neocon War Party has gotten very good at manipulating people emotionally, beneath the threshold of consciousness, since Freud’s nephew Edward Bernays pioneered the science of modern propaganda during and after World War I. From the shamelessly racist caricatures of World War II era kamakaze Japs crashing planes for their Emperor god, to equivalent but subtler 9/11-false-flag-generated caricatures of imaginary suicide-pilot Muslim fanatics ramming jetliners into the Trade Center to assure themselves of a virgin-filled Paradise, the “people” (like Satanist and alleged child-molester Col. Michael Aquino) who run US military psychological warfare operations know how to trick ordinary Americans into hating the citizens of Empire-targeted countries without ever knowing what hit them.

The Washington Post’s obsessive repetition of “bats, bats, bats” is reminiscent of the mainstream media’s repetition of the numerals “9/11 9/11 9/11” and the images “plane into building fireball—exploding building” in the wake of September 11, 2001. People are hypnotized by repetition. As Lewis Carroll put it, “what I tell you three times is true.”

Repetition works like a sledgehammer hammering propaganda points into the collective subconscious. On 9/11, the endless tape loop of plane-into-building followed by building-explodes-into-pyroclastic-dust-cloud hypnotized people into accepting a spurious causal association between the two images. In fact, the Towers were build to withstand multiple hits from large jetliners; the plane crashes were, as the designer of the Towers said, “like poking a pencil through a mosquito screen” leaving the screen (i.e. skyscraper) structurally intact. The remote-controlled plane crashes had nothing whatsoever to do, physically at least, with the subsequent explosive demolitions. Even the government admits it. The NIST fable about the destruction of the Towers blames very modest office fires, not structural damage by the planes, for the “collapses” (read “explosions.”) But most Americans, including virtually all of the engineers and physicists I discussed the matter with circa 2004-2007, were hypnotized into thinking the planes knocked down the Towers almost instantaneously, like a child’s tower of blocks toppling after being struck by a toy airplane.

After September 11, 2001, the media endlessly repeated the numerals “9/11-9/11-9/11,” hypnotizing the public to equate the horrific emergency they had witnessed on television with the emergency call numbers 9-1-1. A post-hypnotic suggestion was implanted in the collective unconscious: YOU ARE AFRAID. YOU ARE VERY AFRAID. YOU MUST CALL ON THE AUTHORITIES FOR PROTECTION AND SAFETY.

Fast forward twenty years. Who are we supposed to call on for protection against those scary scary Chinese bats? The same authorities who dialed up 9-1-1, that’s who.

Twenty years ago, neocon elements of our own government, with the assistance of at least two foreign states, terrorized their own population and then reaped the political, financial, and geo-strategic benefits of their act of false flag terror. Then in late 2019, people of the same category, possibly even some of the same individuals, once again uncorked the terror bottle and let the genie out. In 2001 they wanted us to fear “Muslim terrorists.” Today they want us to fear “Chinese bats” and an associated biowar virus.

Joe Biden is right about one thing: With enough shots we can overcome this emergency and solve the problem once and for all. But the shots we need aren’t the kind that come from needles. They are the kind that come from firing squads executing neocons convicted of treason, mass murder through false flag terror, and the supreme war crime of aggression.

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  1. Notsofast says:

    mr. barrett once again you have absolutely nailed the situation. to me the smoking gun in all of this is the 2015 science magazine article in which ralph baric stated than gain of function research on modified bat viruses was worth the risk to the general public. perhaps someone less tech challenged than myself could post a link to this telling article. the outsourcing of gain of function to wuhan and the backdoor reintroduction to chapel hill in 2017 by fauci citing h.h.s. recommendation while that agency was between directors is particularly damning. add to this fauci’s 2017 twitter prophecy that the trump administration would face a pandemic during his tenure. 2019 operation crimson contagion, ft. detrick shut down and event 201 one month before the wuhan games. hard to ignore the mountains of circumstantial evidence but most people will, because it’s too frightening to think about the logical conclusion.

  2. Iris says:

    An interesting ” piece of art” depicting GW Bush in his White House office, playing with mock “planes” in his hands, and with TWO collapsed structures, obviously the Twin Towers, at his feet.

    This painting is a trophy: it represents one village idiot, two fake planes, two demolished towers and commemorates a great “victory” for Mossad who executed 9/11.

    Those are the psychopaths now ruling over America: filthy scum who celebrate the nuclear Holocaust of 3000 innocent victims with trophy paintings.

  3. Wild Bill says:

    You are “dead” right about the need for executions. From those “world leaders” to the lowliest civil servant promoting the genocide agenda, they are “all in” now. They have to push on with their plan and there is no turning back to a “normal” society or they all know they are literally finished. Its you or them now. No more “law and order” available, its dog eat dog whether we like the taste or not.

  4. I don’t know. It seems to me, you knock out just one or two of those girders in the middle of the skyscraper and that ought to get the ball rolling. Not that the government didn’t do attack its own people, no matter how you slice it. What difference does it make how the collapse was effected?

  5. I believe that bat soup is not really a Chinese thing. The picture oft published of Yellow Peril bat gobbling was of a flying fox, a much larger type of bat, being eaten in Palau, where it is indeed considered tasty.

    • Replies: @Mary Marianne
  6. jsinton says:
    @obwandiyag

    Sure, knock one or two girders, MAY knock down the building. But it’s impossible to have a building FALL NEATLY IN IT’S FOOTPRINT WITHOUT CAREFULLY ENGINEERING IT TO DO SO. ON 9/!! WE HAD THREE BUILDINGS DO THAT!

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @Rev. Spooner
  7. jsinton says:

    The problem I find with the “Americans did the COVID bioweapon and created plausible deniability to blame the Chinese” is that it supposes the Chinese were so stupid to not know what they were getting into or what the implications might be. That the Chinese are no more guilty that just being greedy and naive. That the Chinese couldn’t have known that making bioweapons was dangerous and believed it was simply for research.

    I submit the Chinese had full knowledge of the implications. That at the very least they wanted the capability to acquire dangerous bioweapons and were more than happy to dabble in evil, not to cooperate with American scientists, but to rip off some more cool dangerous ways to kill people.’

    The Chinese are just as guilty and have MORE blood on their hands than any crafty American neocons. They just got caught by their greed and hubris stealing military secrets again.

    The Chinese reaction to events is clearly suspect and evil, more than matching any possible American wrongdoing. Looks like the CIA won again is my assessment. They baited and entrapped the Chinese is my guess.

  8. In relation to the Twin Towers (WTC1&2), it is worth noting their ‘collapse’, or should I say noting that they didn’t collapse…………………….

    1. WTC7 collapsed, and the only reference I have in the real World that marries what I experienced watching TV, was that of controlled demolition.

    2. WTC1&2, using my own words, which seem more relevant and may cause people to ‘See’ rather than ‘Look’ at what is presented before them is………..

    The Tower disintegrated, floor by floor, top to bottom at nearly free fall speeds.

    Someone needs to explain the mechanism which created the energy to disintegrate the amount of concrete to dust as seen in the videos on that day.

    It’s helpful that people stop using the world ‘collapse’ in relation to WTC1&2, which continues the perception of people who have looked at what happend. People need to ‘See’ what happend.

    Say What You See!

    • Thanks: rufus clyde
  9. Bats aren’t sold in “wet markets” in China either. Where do you get your information from anyways… without bothering to vet said information?

    The images/videos that were spread around the web right after the Covid outbreak came from tourists/blogger who travelled to the Pacific island of Palau and partook of the local delicacy sold to tourists as curios.

    Even in 2019 before the outbreak, the Taiwan Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including the president herself, made a diplomatic trip to Palau. They were offered bat at a diplomatic dinner, and the official twitter account of the MFA tweeted, “When in Palau, do as the Palauans do.”

    Kevin, you’re just as guilty of repeating disinformation. And in this particular case you seem to revel in it as well.

  10. Iris says:
    @jsinton

    The Chinese are just as guilty and have MORE blood on their hands than any crafty American neocons. They just got caught by their greed and hubris stealing military secrets again.

    The difference between medical and military, Chinese and American Gain-Of-Function virologic manipulation, was very clearly explained by Germany’s Pr Christian Drosten.
    https://www.republik.ch/2021/06/05/herr-drosten-woher-kam-dieses-virus

    People engaged in bio-engineering for medical and epidemiological research purposes would have had manipulated the initial SARS virus from 2002-2004, to get ahead in terms of detection, testing and vaccines.

    But SARS CoV2, which appeared in 2019, is nothing like SARS in its genomic structure. It is an entirely new cross-over between a bat virus and a pangolin virus.

    So if SARS-CoV2 indeed originated in a lab, then it was mandatorily being engineered for bio-warfare, not for medical purposes.
    https://leelabvirus.host/covid19/origins-part1

    • Replies: @rufus clyde
  11. Iris says:
    @obwandiyag

    What difference does it make how the collapse was effected?

    The WTC came down as a result of nuclear controlled demolition. It was an obvious and undisputable case of nuclear engineering, in the form of 3 underground nuclear detonations, except that in the WTC case, there were buildings full of people atop the detonation sites.

    That makes the WTC the third nuclear mass crime in History, after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    It also tells you that America’s Israeli masters went as far as detonating 3 nuclear charges in the heart of New York, and knowingly let thousands of first responders be exposed to the limited but nonetheless present radioactive fallout that came up through the cracked bedrock.

    Doesn’t that knowledge add a further element of horror to this already unprecedented crime? Knowing that nuclear weapons were cold-bloodedly used against innocent and unsuspecting people?

    • Replies: @CosmicMythos
    , @GMC
  12. anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    It turns out that this alleged ‘Islamic terrorism’ was the murder of a British Member of Parliament who was brave enough to chair a debate encouraging opposition to the vaccine passports
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2021/10/david-amess-ali-harbi-ali-false-flag.html
    https://stateofthenation.co/?p=90410

    Is his death a warning to other UK politicians to shut up about the vax regime?

    UK police blocked a Catholic priest from giving last rites to the Catholic Amess as he lay dying

    Questions arise about Amess’ accused Somali killer, who seemed to have ‘dead eyes’, calm both before and after the stabbing, Ali Harbi Ali living on a London street with celebs & £2 million houses

    ‘David Amess was well aware of the dangers of instituting such a draconian COVID-19 vaxport system nationwide; and he was determined to permit a robust and unconstrained debate on the highly consequential matter.

    ‘Clearly his violent and shocking murder in a church serves to quickly chill any other MP opposition to the long-planned vaccine passports.’

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta, Robjil
  13. A123 says: • Website

    I posted a couple of key points on this topic elsewhere responding to Mr. Unz. However, they are also on point here:

    Mr. Unz,

    how easily bioweapons can get out of hand in unexpected ways,

    Why believe the behaviour is unexpected?

    — It is much more likely that world wide spread was a FEATURE, not a bug.
    — Selecting a highly mutable virus that can justify BigPharma booster shots… Also, a FEATURE, not a bug.

    One can listen to the wind and hear the impending BigPharma Establishment marketing campaign — Have you had this year’s Corona-λ booster? Do not worry, medical professionals are already working on boosters for Corona-µ, Corona-ʊ, Corona-θ… to keep you safe and frequently injected.

    Under my analysis, Covid epidemic was probably released by faction of the right-Neocons, who really aren’t that distant from the left-Neocons current running our government. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to have our government run by the same sort of people who unleashed Covid

    Why believe that the Anti-American rogue operation was limited to U.S. residents?

    An array of much simpler options becomes available when the goal is, “attacking both Trump2020 and China”. Trump had many enemies in Europe and Asia as well as America. It is not unreasonable to believe that China-based Trump enemies were also involved. This makes an intentional release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology [WIV] highly plausible.

    There are documented ties between:

    • U.S. based #NeverTrump haters
    • NIH sponsored Coronavirus research
    • China’s WIV

    Why insist on an elusive, complex, shadowy conspiracy when an openly admitted conspiracy can fill the role?

    The events directly led to Not-The-President Biden’s Coup. There is 0% chance of this being a Trump ordered U.S. attack. Such assertions make sense to no one.

    If it cannot be an authorized U.S. attack, one is left with Anti-American rogues. Describing the release as “an attack against both China and the U.S.” leads to much more precision when assigning blame and responsibility.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @cohen
  14. Great graphics, too. The cat/mouse graphic quite good, but the Epstein/Bush painting graphic a wee bit unsettling, as was everything about Bush’s behavior when hearing the 9/11 news in a Florida school room. Seems the WAPO in in enemy hands, very clever hands, but very dangerous hands, nevertheless

  15. “and to try to steer the COVID-as-bioweapon discussion away from the truth—that COVID-19 almost certainly emerged out of a covert/deniable US bio-attack on China and Iran—toward a “blame China” limited hangout.”

    No, this is not almost certain. For one thing, this theory (which only Ron Unz and Mr. Barrett seem to champion) ignores the rather salient fact that the bulk of the damage has come not from the virus itself, but from the lockdowns and related policies (up to and including the insane vaccine mandates). These are policies that the governments of Western (and especially Anglo) nations have imposed on their own people — policies that do nothing to stop the spread of a virus but quite a bit to harm to the lives and livelihoods of the people.

    Besides, if they really cared about “stopping the spread” and believed that lockdowns would actually work, they would have instituted them BEFORE the virus was known to be spreading within the nation’s borders and not after. (But as anyone can see from looking at Australia and New Zealand, such policies would ultimately backfire, as there is no exit strategy from such “zero-Covid” insanity.)

    I appreciate Kevin’s interviews with a wide variety of guests, but his insistence on supporting this rather bizarre pet theory of Ron Unz’s (who, let’s remember, is pro-vaxx AND thinks that lockdowns actually “work”) is a head-scratcher.

    • Agree: Fred777, Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @haha
  16. @Iris

    Highly avant-garde art placed lovingly alongside Robert Maplethorpes art masterpieces depicting death and decay.

  17. Ex President George Bush has emerged from his self imposed hiding again, to elaborate on all the reasons that legacy Americans are wrong about everything. Funny, he had no problem appealing to them in sticking their necks out to fight his bogus middle east wars and approving things like the Patriot Act, which they stupidly did. He’s just trying to make up excuses for his being practically Persona non grata now. Of course, this does not now apply to many liberals, who now think he’s the greatest thing since white bread. (sorry for the tired cliche)

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  18. Endlessly reminded that (some) Chinese people buy live bats in wet markets and slaughter them for soup, the typical Western propaganda target is overcome by racist disgust and revulsion.

    Race-ism is awesome and misapplied in the above statement.

    The West is right to feel revulsion toward Chinese torture and consumption of certain animals, esp cats and dogs.

    BTW, OZZY DONE IT.

    Bats are kinda cool in the West.

  19. @Notsofast

    Fauci has been utterly protected by the democrats and their bogus nation wide media. This topic is important, very important. Why is he not investigated by Congress, under oath, about everything he was involved in and knows about this virus? Dr. Rand Paul, nailed him twice for lying to Congress but apparently lies mean nothing to so many at the swamp, who have been sworn to uphold and protect this nation from just such things as are now happening.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  20. d dan says:
    @jsinton

    “they [Chinese] wanted the capability to acquire dangerous bioweapons and were more than happy to dabble in evil” – jsinton

    No, Chinese don’t. US has 200 biolabs dotted throughout the world, performing all types of unknown, unaccounted research. US is the one who refuses to have total ban and destruction of bioweapons.

    ““The concern among Russian specialists, and among the international community, is caused by the uncontrolled and unrestricted expansion of foreign biological infrastructure belonging to the US military …” – deputy chairman of the Russian Investigative Committee, Alexander Fedorov

    ““We have been assured that these are research centres where the Americans help local scientists to develop new ways to combat dangerous diseases. But in truth the authorities of those countries where these facilities are based have no idea what’s going on within their borders. ” – Russian Security Council’s secretary, Nikolai Patrushev

    https://www.russia-truth.com/2021/09/06/moscow-bothered-by-uncontrolled-unrestricted-expansion-of-us-military-biolab-network-near-russia/

    ““But there has been plenty of evidence in both the world’s leading scientific articles and in the media, citing geneticists and biologists and WikiLeaks documents, that reinforces speculation about the COVID-19 manipulation in biological laboratories and a biological attack by the US through the virus against rival countries,”” – A group of 101 Iranian doctors

    https://sputniknews.com/20200319/iranian-doctors-urge-neighbours-to-liquidate-any-us-biological-labs-amid-coronavirus-fears-1078623300.html

    “China asks WHO to investigate Fort Detrick, UNC bio labs through diplomatic channel. Envoy writes to Director-General with joint letter by 25 million netizens calling for Fort Detrick probe”

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232467.shtml

    Yes, only a few countries like Russia, Iran and China are brave enough to point out the obvious: America has the largest, most active, most extensive and most advanced research in bioweapons, and has a long sorrow history of using them, mishandling them and lying about them.

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  21. What stupidity. Sure, Muslims blew up a few planes, but Christian America invaded and bombed entire cities. (US also blew up that Iranian plane.) Jews attacked USS Liberty and carried out Nakba against Palestinians. Israel aids ISIS and continues to drop bombs on Syria and use terror attacks on Iran.

    Muslim terrorism is bad, but Muslims are far from the only terrorists. Also, most of Muslim Terror is in retaliation against Jewish-controlled Anglo World’s war on the Arab/Muslim world.

  22. Notsofast says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    my good doctor, i could not agree with you more on this. fauci is a rat fucker supreme and responsible for all the death and devastation incurred by our poor abused populous. for this p.o.s. to be treated as a hero by our mockingbird media is the greatest injustice of all and someday, i hope he and the other neocon turds, blue,red and purple will be held to account but i am not holding my breath, waiting for such an outcome. if the sleeping giant of our and the world’s consciousness can be awakened to this fact, then the struggle will not have been in vain.

  23. ANON[359] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, they’re shitting bricks on the 7th floor. The only question now is whether we prosecute or extradite the CIA command structure. Chickenshit CIA germ-warfare cowards are mainly scared of extradition, because they know how hopelessly corrupt degenerate state of US courts.

    The bill of indictment is complete. The charge is CIA development and undeclared use of banned biological weapons in breach of the 1929 Geneva Convention, the BWTC, and the Hague (III) Convention. It’s not just SARS-COV-2. It’s the Plum Island epidemics. It’s a series of banned biological weapons used on China including swine and bird agents. It’s AMERITHRAX, CIA’s attack on the domestic civilian population.

    https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2021/10/17/whitney-webb-2/

    Bob Gates directed and compartmented development. Avril Haines is Gates’ adjutant. CIA put their college intern Pompeo up to releasing it because they needed someone really stupid, like a West Point honor student, that’s how stupid.

    The BWTC treaty parties have been watching CIA mad scientists since 2005 when they put their foot down in the treaty body. Fruit Fly. We know who you are, asshole. You’ll think, Whew, you got away with it, but one day you’ll get Benneted. You’ll have about 30 seconds to plead your case.

    Then your shit regime is going down. The subject population will put CIA’s heads on sticks.

    • Thanks: JWalters
  24. @jsinton

    Another vicious, knuckle-dragging, genocidal Sinophobe racist and moral imbecile. They are swarming out from ‘neath their rocks like cockroaches.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Troll: Bro43rd
  25. Sean says:

    The third, most obvious, best-supported-by-evidence interpretation—that COVID emerged from a US bio-attack on China designed to be blamed on China—is deliberately excluded and rendered unspeakable.

    Hardly obvious why blaming China for a global pandemic would be any part of the design of the operation for a bioweapon attack on China with the objective of disrupting China, but not the US. Why? Well, given there was a US biowarfare attack on China scenario, the global pandemic was a complete surprise to the launchers of the attack

    The covid pathogen’s closest relatives are in a different ecological zone almost a thousand kilometers away from Wuhan, so releasing it there would be a good way for a US covert operation to throw suspicion on the virology labs in Wuhan having accidently released the covid pathogen. However that would have the disadvantage that Wuhan is not credible as a completely natural ground zero, so the Chinese would know they had been attacked and they have a powerful army and nukes.

    Also, a framing the Chinese aspect would only be a factor if there was a disastrous global pandemic as a result of the bioweapon. Yet f the conspirators knew that there was going to be world wide disruption of every country including their own as a result of using the covid bioweapon to attack China then they would not have done it surely? So a Wuhan ground zero for the pandemic is powerful evidence against the pandemic having resulted from a bioweapon attack. But because the bat colonies that harbor the dangerous coronaviruses are found in semi-tropical southernmost China near the border with Laos, and Wuhan is hundreds of miles away, the Wuhan location for the first cases of covid is powerful evidence of some kind of deliberate human intervention. It clearly was not the Chinese attacking their own country, and for the aforementioned reasons it is unlikely to have been America attacking China and creating a global pandemic by mistake. To me the most likely explanation is some kind of mistake by Chinese coronavirus researchers.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @dimples
  26. JWalters says:
    @Notsofast

    It is frightening. But is it much different than a war for profit?

    • Agree: El Dato
  27. JWalters says:
    @obwandiyag

    There were no central support columns in those buildings. The support columns were all around the periphery. That was to give them extra structural integrity. That’s why a bomb blast in the basement of one of the towers during the 90’s did not bring down the building. Here’s a NYC building developer explaining this in a TV interview on 9/11.

    “Donald Trump Calls Into WWOR/UPN 9 News on 9/11”

    • Replies: @Mike Fridelle
  28. @Sean

    You write: “(The) framing the Chinese aspect would only be a factor if there was a disastrous global pandemic as a result of the bioweapon.” Not really. Nicholson Baker’s Baseless shows that time and time again the US has attacked other nations with biological weapons, shamelessly denied the victims’ “baseless” (truthful) protests, and blamed the victim nations’ governments for alleged incompetence in the face of “natural” epidemics.

    So the neocon perps would have had contingency plan A (blame the Chinese for incompetence if there is a China-only or mostly-China pandemic) as well as plan B (blame the Chinese if it escapes and goes global.)

    And of course they planned all along to scream “baseless! baseless! baseless!” when China pointed the finger at Fort Detrick.

    • Replies: @A123
  29. Sean says:

    You write: “(The) framing the Chinese aspect would only be a factor if there was a disastrous global pandemic as a result of the bioweapon.” Not really. Nicholson Baker’s Baseless shows that time and time again the US has attacked other nations with biological weapons, shamelessly denied the victims’ “baseless” (truthful) protests, and blamed the victim nations’ governments for alleged incompetence in the face of “natural” epidemics.

    You are talking about China as if it is a helpless Banana Republic with no offensive capability. No country America has ever attacked with anything (let alone a covert bioweapon intended to set the country back decades by killing millions in the country) had the range of military options to retaliate against the US with that China had when the pandemic started. China has issued veiled threats to the US that tactical battlefield use of nuclear weapons to repel an invasion of Taiwan would be responded to by China with an an escalation to strategic ICBM use against US cities. In other words the US Deep State would be vapourised.

    Use of a lethal bioweapon against the civilian population the Chinese heartland would certainly entail heavy conventional retaliation, by a conventional attack on US troops stationed in South Korea and simultaneous menacing of Taiwan by an invasion fleet. What XI would not, could not, do is passively wait and see what deadly bioweapon America would hit China with next. Mounting the attack on Wuhan simply doesn’t make sense, it would be blatant rather than hidden attack and would mean war with China on ground of China’s choosing: the Asian mainland where China is too strong for America . The US has experience China’s unforeseen reactivity in Korea and that intel failure has never been forgotten; it was the reason the Vietnam war was fought, and lost, the way it was

    So the neocon perps would have had contingency plan A (blame the Chinese for incompetence if there is a China-only or mostly-China pandemic) as well as plan B (blame the Chinese if it escapes and goes global.)

    The idea that the bioweapon attack on China would go ahead if the conspirators thought it possible it the bioweapom would cause a global pandemic is dubious. It could only be suggested by someone ‘arguing a case’. You cannot really believe it.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @A123
    , @haha
  30. A123 says: • Website
    @Kevin Barrett

    The key question — was it an:
        -A- “American” attack (Authorized by President Trump)
        -B- “Anti-American” attack (Not Authorized by President Trump)

    Arguing Case “A” implies Trump intentionally tanked his own 2020 re-election. This is improbable heading towards absurd.

    Which leaves us with Case “B”, an Anti-American attack, potentially involving rogue Deep State traitors. There are documented ties between:

    • U.S. based #NeverTrump haters (a.k.a. Deep State traitors)
    • NIH sponsored Coronavirus research
    • China’s WIV

    Knowing in advance that world wide impact was 100% certain:
    — Question — What is the easiest place to intentionally release a “gain-of-function” (∆) virus?
    — Answer — A facility, like WIV, openly performing “gain-of-function” research on Coronavirus with NIH grants… That would be illegal in the U.S.

    #NeverTrump intentionally inflicted global contamination to attack both China and Trump2020. Releasing a WIV product in Wuhan is vastly simpler than convoluted James Bond style espionage. And, it cleanly fits within the observed fact pattern.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) “gain-of-function” — I conur with Mr. Unz that this is less than ideal terminology, but it has become so commonly used there is no way to easily avoid.

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  31. Dear Mr. Barrett
    I don’t know how much you hear in America — I suspect very little — about the record numbers of Covid cases and deaths (1000 a day) in Russia at the moment? If they could pull this off in Wuhan, and Qum (Iran), they certainly would be able to make follow-up attacks in cities in Russia, and the mechanism behind why Russia aren’t calling this out, is the same as you explained was the logic why China didn’t call it out in Wuhan: They would then be left with a resounding cry of retalliation from their own population, which woulc be devastating and perhaps could lead to nuclear war.

    Around 30% of Russians are accinated, in what is pretty much typical of former authoritaerian regimes, when people are left with a choice of doing or taking something the authorities are keen on people taking. But Russia did use HCQ extensively in the summer of 2020, which I know for a fact, from the Americn living in exile there, John Marc Dougan. But whether thay have stopped using this, I dont know.

    I have left a imilar note to Ron Unz. I thought it would be right up your alley(s) to write about.

    Regards

  32. @Sean

    Here I differ with Ron Unz. Unlike Ron, I think it’s possible that the perpetrators contingency-planned the scenario of their bioattack boomeranging into a global pandemic and found it might be even more geopolitically advantageous than if the damage was contained in China. Keep in mind that the war party is desperate to stop China’s economic growth and is willing to severely damage the global economy, if necessary, to do so: https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/can-china-rise-peacefully-10204

    Trashing the global economy with a pandemic has already cut China’s growth rate almost in half. Efforts to decouple from China, especially in critical sectors, are now full steam ahead—the necessary precursor to (covert/deniable as well as overt) military escalation. And the “blame China for COVID” meme is a powerful psychological weapon, equivalent to blaming Japan for Pearl Harbor and blaming Muslims for 9/11.

    Though COVID has hammered Western economies in the short term, it is helpfully whittling away at the single biggest impediment to long-term growth: the exploding population of hugely expensive and unproductive boomer retirees. It’s the long-term ratio of Western to Chinese growth that will determine which empire prevails. Barring extraordinary events like COVID, the West is at a serious disadvantage. Its most bellicose strategists might have been willing to roll the COVID dice even if the odds weren’t ideal, knowing that without a global pandemic they were almost sure to lose.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Herd Stupidity
  33. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean

    Use of a lethal bioweapon against the civilian population the Chinese heartland would certainly entail heavy conventional retaliation,

    Using conventional in that phrase is extremely optimistic. Authorized use of WMD (chemical) invites heavy response with WMD (nuclear).

    Those misrepresenting an “Anti-American” attack (Not Authorized by President Trump) as “American” are creating all sorts of escalation risk. More accurate language, such as “attack against China & America”, is:
        • More truthful
        • Avoids escalation risk
        • Focuses on the guilty parties

    It is hard to see any gain from intentionally & falsely mislabelling an Unauthorized attack as “American” when it obviously was not.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sean
  34. Sean says:
    @A123

    Being recognized as a country’s government entails having control over one’s territory and accepting responsibility for what happens in that country. America would be held to account by China, that is how deterrence works.

    Makes no difference to China whether a covert bioweapon attack on China was a direct order from the president as Commander in Chief to the armed forces and CIA, or a rogue operation by a secret cabal within the Deep State that did it without the knowledge or approval of the Joint Chiefs or the White House. China could not worry about anything except stopping it happening again, and the only was to that, given that peaceful deterrence had failed and the White House or mysterious conspirators were in a position to do it again, would be to use mount a conventional military assault against American forces that were within reach (South Korea) while simultaneously preparing for a full scale invasion of Korea. The US would then realise that attacking China is a bad idea.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  35. Sean says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    One thing that neither you or Ron is concerned with is the fact that Trump (the most anti China president imaginable) has not been reelected as a result of the pandemic. Your putative AntiChina conspirators picked a fine time to knowingly risk losing a President who was at one with them on China. The Chinese put tariffs on Trump’s key marginal states to prevent him being reelected. The Pandemic could not topple Xi, his is a totalitarian state.

    As Mearsheimer emphasizes, it is relative power that is the thing and the pandemic has boosted China’s economic power in relation to the US quite considerably. The US intelligence community has always said that totalitarian powers punch above their weight in a national effort to a single clear end. The pandemic was just such an event. It is the hinge of history, like the 1918 flu and the Antonine Plague both of which emerges from China. It would not surprise me to find out that the plague of Athens was from China.

    I don’t think that even the wilder US geopolitical strategists believed pre-pandemic that China would overtake America. Even the great offensive realist Mearsheimer didn’t. No the ruling delusion among American elites if that the USA can , by drawing of talented people immigrating from All over the world, stay the world’s most dynamic and advanced economy and thus remain the most powerful even if it is overtaken in sheer size.

    But in the battle against Nazi Germany and the Cold War with the USSR, America was not up against, well let Ron describe them

    https://www.unz.com/runz/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/
    It is important to recognize that although good business ability was critical for the long-term success of a line of Chinese peasants, the overall shaping constraints differed considerably from those that might have affected a mercantile caste such as the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe or the Parsis of India. These latter groups occupied highly specialized economic niches in which a keen head for figures or a ruthless business sense might have been all that was required for personal success and prosperity. But in the world of rural Chinese villages, even the wealthier elements usually spent the majority of the lives in backbreaking labor, working alongside their families and their hired men in the fields and rice paddies.”” a thousand years or more of these relentlessly shaping pressures, and simply to ignore or dismiss such an important possibility is unreasonable. Yet that seems to have been the dominant strain of Western intellectual belief for the last two or three generations.

  36. @Kevin Barrett

    Here I differ with Ron Unz. Unlike Ron, I think it’s possible that the perpetrators contingency-planned the scenario of their bioattack boomeranging into a global pandemic

    I don’t feel strongly about any of these Covid theories, but I’ll share a possible working hypothesis.

    Per the two studies below, Covid19 could disproportionately affect Europeans & Africans. East Asians are potentially much less susceptible. Ashkenazi Jews and Amish are seemingly the least affected. What are the odds?

    Perhaps those meddling, unassimilable Amish conspired with the Chinese to take down the West.

    https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01673-z

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439997/?report=reader#!po=3.57143

  37. @Iris

    The WTC came down as a result of nuclear controlled demolition.

    Technically speaking, this is an actual possibility. Nuclear explosives deliver MUCH greater energy, for any given mass, than conventional explosive (think C4, Semtex, OctaNitroCubane etc) does.

    Plus, for quite some time before 9/11, there had been small nuclear weapons as light as 100 pounds in existence – literally “backpack” nukes.

    Their yields can be as small as say 10 tons, or even just 1 ton, of equivalent mass of conventional explosive. A ton, say 2,000 pounds of C4, (or a very small backpack nuclear weapon with 1 ton yield), in a vulnerable spot, would probably bring down an enormous building, like a WTC tower.

    2,000 pounds of C4 in one spot makes for a more focused explosion than even the detonation of a large civilian airliner with between 51 and 74 tons of aviation fuel (quick googling reveals these were the fuel loads of the 767 airliner).

    The detonation of said tiny nuke could also be made to coincide with the sounds and vibrations of concurrent “structural failure” supposedly deep in the WTC, and so masking them as separate explosions. The radiation such backpack devices would leave, would be minimized to the point of being tolerable, but would nonetheless be slightly higher that mere background radiation.

    Small nukes would be a nice failsafe backup plan, in case, as is believed by many, the conventional C4/Semtex placed in the WTC, failed to do the job. No need for an elaborate plan, or “construction/remodelling crews” or “art students”. One person, in a car, could take a backpack nuclear device from the back seat, place it and prime it.

    COULD tiny nukes have been used on 9/11? Well, speaking strictly physically, they would have been VERY EASY to employ if, in fact, they were.

    • Replies: @Iris
  38. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean

    Makes no difference to China whether a covert bioweapon attack on China was a direct order from the president as Commander in Chief to the armed forces and CIA, or a rogue operation by a secret cabal within the Deep State that did it without the knowledge or approval of the Joint Chiefs or the White House. China could not worry about anything except stopping it happening again,

    It makes a huge difference, consider the chain of escalation :

    1) An Unauthorized attack occurs, beyond the control of the Commander in Chief.
    2) The target of the Unauthorized attack escalated with an unethical, Authorized reprisal.
    3) The victim of the only Authorized 1st strike is forced to escalate to defend his citizens from authorized attacks.
    4) Authorized retaliation begats additional Authorized escalation.

    It does not matter how many cycles are required 4/5/6/7/8… , once a national leader openly picks #2, Authorized Escalation, trying to head off Total Strategic WMD (nuclear) is almost impossible.

    As confirmation of my position:
    — If the CCP believes the Ft. Detrick story, they have not opted for military escalation.
    — If the Trump administration believed the WIV story, they did not opt for military escalation.

    Regardless of which rogues did what… Authorized use of WMD’s = WW III, and no amount for blog posting is going to move any serious leader across that line.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Tom Welsh
    , @Sean
  39. dimples says:
    @Sean

    There’s no point trying to use logic to argue against the evidence-free Unz biowarfare theory. Mr Unz has spoken and his minions do follow if they know what’s best for them.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @El Dato
  40. Toza says:

    Very insightful and well written article. Except that I think the “Deep State” controls the Chinese Communist Party, but the conflict is in their interest as well, so they are pushing both sides into the conflict.

    • LOL: Realist
  41. @d dan

    If the US is guilty of creating bio-weapons (which I believe it is), why should that automatically prove that China is innocent of same?

    • Replies: @Dystopian
    , @d dan
  42. This a war between Digital and Analog, the digital is the internet, mobile devices, computers, everything we use to buy, sell and interact with the digital world (((Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter ad nausea….))).
    The analog is the complete rebuttal of everything digital, by using common logic and real world observations to refute digital algorithms that destroy common sense, we have set ourselves free from GlobalHomoZioBIGs3MIC tyranny..
    The more we rely on digital technology, which is a DARPA creation, the more we are hurdled into a corral of own demise.
    When SHTF, your only choice for salvation is to rid yourself of digital enslavement and go analog.
    Nature is a beautiful place that is filled with beautiful things. It’s a place digital fears the most.

  43. GMC says:
    @Iris

    Totally agree, this demolition was a Nobel Demo Prize that is unpresidented. Where did 200 stories of highrise concrete, red iron, and all the contents go? The pile or debris should have been 20+ stories high, not 3. I worked Sears towers for almost 3 years so I think about the magnitude of this Demolition of 2 Sears Towers.

    • Replies: @Iris
  44. Ghali says:

    I agree with Barrette. The New York Times’ repetitions of “bats, bats, bats” is reminiscent of the mainstream media’s repetition of the numerals “WMD, WMD, WMD” and the criminal war of aggression on Iraq. Lies work when repeated countless times. Westerners are programmed to accept lies as truth. It is in their DNA. An article on axisoflogic.com made good start early in COVID-19 propaganda. COVID-19: A Pretext to Demonise China: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_88611.shtml

    • Agree: acementhead
  45. Mevashir says:

    Fabulous article Kevin. This is much better than your interviews.

    There could be another angle with bats. In our society that is infused with Batman adulation, the idea of Chinese people eating bats also attacks an icon of American virtue and heroism.

  46. Schuetze says:
    @dimples

    “his minions do follow if they know what’s best for them.”

    LOL. Just like they followed Ron Unz and got the clot shot.

    Likely the only reason you believe this tripe is because Ron Unz blocks most comments by the “vaccine hesitant” on his Bio-Warfare threads.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  47. “Temple Of Set” dude, Micheal Aquino, was cut loose following the Presidio daycare child abuse scandal. Yeah, “Temple Of Set” was intended to replace Lavey’s(((Levy))) “Church Of Satan” in the program to normalize satanism. Now they have “The Satanic Temple” for that duty, more subtle, far more effective. Micheal Aquino, “He Who Shall Not Be Named”, had real power up to about 2013, he no longer has power. What was this power? Read Lovecraft’s “Dreams In The Witchhouse” for a hint.

  48. @Sean

    The Chinese know that they are dealing with Evil psychopaths in Thanatopolis DC, with a global propaganda Empire even down to the lowest trolls like you. Best keep quiet and wait for the Real Evil Empire to collapse.

    • Troll: Peripatetic Itch
  49. @JWalters

    Dude are you retarded???? Go here look at the construction of the twin towers: 47 Core Columns and an exoskeleton exterior. Massive core columns!!

    No planes were used on 9/11.

    https://911planeshoax.com/

    • Replies: @JWalters
  50. @Sean

    The USA is more ‘totalitarian’ than China, you pig ignorant, racist, cretin.

  51. Tom Welsh says:
    @jsinton

    “ON 9/!! WE HAD THREE BUILDINGS DO THAT!”

    Including, let’s not forget, one that was never struck by anything.

  52. Tom Welsh says:
    @A123

    “Authorized use of WMD’s = WW III, and no amount for blog posting is going to move any serious leader across that line”.

    Where in the West do you see a serious leader?

    • Agree: Realist
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  53. Renoman says:

    Everyone told the truth, all that we heard were lies.

  54. El Dato says:

    Endlessly reminded that (some) Chinese people buy live bats in wet markets and slaughter them for soup, the typical Western propaganda target is overcome by racist disgust and revulsion.

    I hear this isn’t even true and those “grill-o-bat” photos were from the Phillipines.

    Btw, Cuy Chactado sounds pretty good

    https://www.theregister.com/2015/05/10/post_pub_nosh_guinea_pig/

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  55. Sean says:
    @A123

    Authorized use of WMD’s = WW III,

    Maybe they could get away with doing what Ron says and covertly attacking China with a pandemic and blaming Chinese scientists for creating the novel pathogen. However I don’t see how a US Deep State rogue cabal could count on such an understated response especially as the Wuhan location in the aftermath of military games there attended by Americans would make it far less plausibly deniable. I think the conspiracies’ planners would have to accept the down side of it probably being obvious to the Chinese that they had had a bioweapon used on them by the US Deep State.

    The up side would be bad PR for China! Yet it’s difficult to that benefit balancing the serious jeopardy the blaming-the-Chinese component of the operation would put the conspirators in; the risks of China initiating military hostilities against US troops in South Korea would be extreme (the could use Kim as a proxy). And why could the Chinese not publicly and directly accuse Bolton or Pompeo of being behind it? China naming names (and their diplomats/ intel in the US would have a good idea of who would be pulling the stings) would be a very likely result even is the bioweapon failed. A secret group’s power would dissolve under that kind of scrutiny.

    Consider. If as Ron seems to be suggesting the pandemic was actually clandestine bioweapon use by a an American Deep State cabal, and was done with the intention of setting back China decades, that would likely entail a near literal decimation of the country: 100 million dead Chinese while the rest of the world was relatively unscathed. Such devastation (killing many members of the leaderships families) would hardly be the kind of thing the conspirators would dare inflict on a power like China and have the Chinese know who to thank. So were it Ron’s scenario of bioweapon use causing the pandemic true, the bioweapon would surely have been be used to begin the pandemic in southern China, where it would be more likely to be put down to completely natural causes by the Chinese.

  56. There is now a bipartisan consensus in the US that the Chinese caused “covid”. That means they most certainly did not because any proposition Demoncraps and Recucklicans agree on is guaranteed to be false. That goes not only for the origin of “covid”—and indeed the existence of “covid”—but for every single item on the US ideological agenda—democracy, diversity, feminism, the benignity of Jews, etc. The only thing Demoncraps and Recucklicans disagree on is whether Recucklicans should be cancelled, imprisoned, and eventually executed. Demoncraps strongly support the idea, but Recucklicans generally oppose it—not too forcefully, mind you, because strong disagreement with Demoncraps is sure to draw accusations of “racism”, which Recucklicans consider a fate worse than death.

  57. Z-man says:

    Kevin I was going to dismiss this article completely but then I saw and then I read your last paragraph and thought hey that’s good.

    But the shots we need aren’t the kind that come from needles. They are the kind that come from firing squads executing neocons convicted of treason, mass murder through false flag terror, and the supreme war crime of aggression.

    My top ten hit list:
    Alan Duche-a-witz-he’s old but not forgotten. A little torture before one behind the ear.
    Victoria Nudleman (Nuland). Her and her husband both in a barrel over the ‘Falls.*
    Billy Kristol, no not the actor but a comedian no less. The NEOCON king should be drawn and quartered.
    Cheney, Dick and daughter. Although not NEOCONS per se, gotta go. The ‘Falls also works for these two.
    David Frum, Max Boot and whoever are the two top dogs at AIPAC. AK 47’s needed here.
    Honorable mention. ‘Lindsey’ Graham, Tom pickin’ Cotton and that spic from Jersey Menendez. Three senators we could do without.
    As for China it was probably an accident that the Chinks then proceeded to cover up and make worse, they should make restitution. A trillion sounds good, maybe two.
    Oh yeah, that Ethiopian head of the WHO (Tedros Adhanom Ghebre…). Escort him out of the UN, put him on a plane to the combat zone in his country, drop him with a parachute and hope for the best.

    *Thanks to Unz for reminding me about Nuland with the accompanying article. (Wry grin)

  58. lavoisier says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    George Bush will forever remain a prime example of a man who was easily manipulated by Zionists to do what was in their interest and not the interest of the nation he served.

    He was and remains a stupid Gentile easily manipulated to do the wrong thing.

    With leaders like George Bush it is no wonder we are in the shape we are in.

    And ultimately the catastrophic failure of his leadership led directly to the election of the great American patriot Barack Obama and the further decline of the nation.

    • Thanks: Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    • Replies: @Realist
  59. Fred777 says:

    Remote controlled airliners and underground nuclear explosions? The swamp is trying to discredit your site Ron, good news is they’re doing a poor job of it.

    • Disagree: Mevashir
  60. The cancellation of Fox’s The Last Man on Earth series was interesting. The premise of the series was that a virus had struck the Earth and killed everyone but a single man (Will Forte). For four seasons, Forte’s character slowly finds other people who survived and they explore living in a post-apocalyptic world mostly filled with boredom. The show was clever and entertaining, had good reviews from critics and viewers alike, and had decent ratings to the end.

    The series was cancelled in May 2018, about eighteen months before the first COVID19 cases emerged. The cancellation shocked the series’ staff, as they had ended the fourth season on the kind of cliffhanger that indicates a clear expectation of a subsequent season. In that series finale, a group of people who had survived the pandemic emerge from an underground bunker. They clearly anticipated the pandemic and also did not have natural immunity to it. The cancellation also shocked the series’ fans – the show was well received and had good ratings. No one ever offered any reason why Fox cancelled it.

    I have no idea if there was anything to the cancellation or not, just that it sure felt like there was when the actual COVID pandemic emerged. Wikipedia says “while ratings declined overall, the show did well enough with young male viewers to justify renewal“.

  61. @El Dato

    Cuy (or cobayo) is quite tasty, but bony. Better off grilling it, add some ají amarillo paste, bit of hot sauce y buen provecho!

  62. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Kevin Barrett is today making the same mistake regarding Covid as he made regarding Operation 911 twenty years ago.

    By blaming “Neocons” and “WASPs” and Americans and useful idiots like Bush and Cheney, Barrett is concealing the fact that all this global terrorism is a continuation of the Old-Testament totalitarianism and superstition embraced by Jews, Muslims, Socialists, and woke academics like Kevin Barrett.

    Genuine Christianity is a rejection of Judeo-Islamic authoritarianism.

    Please examine what Martin Luther wrote about Judaism.

    And what did Thomas Paine say about these religions in Common Sense?

    The CCP is only a proxy for Jews as was the USSR, Islam, Roman Catholicism, and other violent authoritarian empires.

    The Old Testament has been the primary source of most evil in the world for thousands of years.

    Marxism, Maoism and Socialism are the pseudoscientific secularization of Judaism.

    Islam isn’t much different from the cult of Judaism.

    The CCP doesn’t represent China. It represents Jews.

    Taiwan, on the other hand, is a more legitimate representative of China.

    Who does Henry Kissinger represent?

    How can a Muslim possibly understand the world’s foremost problem?

    Those who rule Communist China are the same global terrorists ruling the UK, EU, and US regimes.

    Covid is a global attack on everyone, not a false-flag attack by the US on Red China.

    Please examine The Pyramid of Power.

  63. Dumbo says:

    After “Alpha Variant”, “Delta Variant” and “Son of the Delta Variant”, a new horror movie coming up this winter, “Grandson of the Delta Variant”.

    “AY4.2 is a descendant of AY4, a grandson of the Delta variant,” Cohen explained.

    https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/delta-variant-descendant-hits-israel-is-it-time-to-panic-682575

  64. What’s the saying? When you point the finger at someone, you have four fingers pointing back at yourself. However I don’t think the headlines prove it was a bioweapon attack on China and Iran. More like the garden gnome twin Fauci and his friends are hair follicle deep in the creation and world release. Also until it is proven one way or another, the man made bug seems like a warm up act for the true weapon off mass destruction: the lockdowns and vaccines. Hopefully there will be some firing squads in the future, but that would require honest leadership.

  65. “They are the kind that come from firing squads executing neocons convicted of treason, mass murder through false flag terror, and the supreme war crime of aggression.”

    When do the fireworks begin?

  66. @Sean

    Sometimes conspirators make mistakes, just like 9/11 which was full of blunders, but the public at large believes the official story anyway, so why worry?

    • Replies: @Sean
  67. Dystopian says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Another false dichotomy? This site is polluted with CCP apologists.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  68. @Dystopian

    Indeed, there are a lot of them.

  69. Trinity says:

    Newsflash

    9/11 = #Israel-Jews Did It. CASE CLOSED.

    (((Covid-19))) = #Israels-Jews Did It. CASE CLOSED.

    I think that ENDLESSLY DISCUSSING SHIT THAT ISRAEL DID IS PART OF THE WAR BY DECEPTION THAT THESE CLOWNS BRAG ABOUT. Keep “discussing” whether some (((horseshit))) official narrative is true for DECADES while the perpetrator never pays for the crime committed. Always put some doubt into something that everyone either knows to be a (((lie))) or portray someone else as the culprit instead of the Jew.

    IF Charles Manson would have wore the Star Of David tattooed across his forehead and been a bagel scarfing sum bitch, the trial would have been dismissed and we would still be discussing the narrative of The Tate Murders to this day.

  70. Excellent.

    The Bush painting is my meditation for the day, alongside a prayer that politicians, talking heads on corporate media, public health officials, and corrupt medical licensing boards will one day face the righteous justice they so richly deserve for this genocidal madness we find ourselves wading in now.

    And thanks to the Unz Review for being a connection point to sanity and truth this week as I lose my job of 23 years with the City of Portland for refusing the jab, alongside 2% of the workforce who also have been blessed/cursed with the eyes to see clearly.

    We may all be Palestinians now, but still it’s a beautiful day to be alive! Bless you all, my virtual brothers and sisters!

  71. gay troll says:

    in the same way that mice, cats, and humans are taken over by toxoplasmosis

    Hey, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. The parasite may not have such great outcomes for mice, but it provides cats with free meals. As for humans, well, it may inspire you to stick your head in the lion’s maw. But considering humans have no real predators, loss of fear can actually be a benefit to our personal power.

    After all, if fear is the longest lever in the hands of propagandists, the most common appeal when one person wants to control the thinking of another, then fear has become our own worst enemy, even if it remains the mouse’s greatest ally.

    “Fear is the mind killer, the little death that brings total annihilation”. I do not regret licking that stray cat’s asshole.

  72. I’m convinced the bat is used as a symbol with multiple meanings.

    1. “Crown virus originates in bats” pointing to an underworld creation. Cave life/death.

    2. Art depicts netherworld creatures with bat wings to distinguish between angels with bird wings.

    3. Recently published a photo of the hidden “Brian Laundrie” in a batman shirt.

    4. Bat mitzvah is female coming of age. Isis has been resurrected in the middle east.

    Let’s ask Betsy DeVos which “Prince” her family’s business is named after. Pretty sure corona and bats are the crowning of the prince of darkness.

  73. Are the Chinese losing patience with American monkey business–and fact that US attempted to destroy the country? Chinese have been restricting the export of microchips for many months. Today, they announced they were restricting export of fertilizer (world’s major producer). They are restricting the number of American-made movies that can be distributed in China. They are restricting the export of automobile parts. Soon, it will be phones, laptops, TVs, refrigerators, air conditioners, toilet paper–and practically anything else you buy in Walmart, Target, Dollar General, Home Depot or on Amazon. You will have to grow and make your own. If Americans want a new TV, they will have to go into a factory and make one for themselves. This is what is meant by the great reset.

  74. @mulga mumblebrain

    True. There’s is no bat eating or bat soup eating culture in China at all. It’s all yellow peril propaganda. Ironically, there are pockets of bat eating culture within the USA, so it’s also once again a good example of psychological projection, which is often the case with you deal with yellow peril propaganda.

  75. Truth says:

    The third, most obvious, best-supported-by-evidence interpretation—that COVID emerged from a US bio-attack on China designed to be blamed on China—is deliberately excluded and rendered unspeakable. Instead we are bombarded with bats, bats, bats!

    And then there’s the fourth option;

    China, The US, the UK, and all of the world powers acted in cahoots many years ago to hatch this scheme to reduce world population of a bunch of silly proles…Prole.

  76. I’ve lived in China for over 20 years. I have yet to see bats being sold in China. No one that I know, and I know many people, have ever ate a bat. I have never seen bats sold anywhere and I have been in thousands of wet markets.

    The only reason why the neocon narrative is still alive is simply because Americans have been dumbed down to a point of idiocy.

    • Replies: @Marcion
  77. Realist says:

    But the shots we need aren’t the kind that come from needles. They are the kind that come from firing squads executing neocons convicted of treason, mass murder through false flag terror, and the supreme war crime of aggression.

    Yes, but probably more importantly, those of the billionaire class who aid and abet the Deep State in its quest to subjugate the 98%. If this country is to recover…the tremendous concentration of wealth and power must be eliminated.

  78. A123 says: • Website
    @Tom Welsh

    “Authorized use of WMD’s = WW III, and no amount for blog posting is going to move any serious leader across that line”.

    Where in the West do you see a serious leader?

    LOL… Not-The-President Biden is certainly less than serious, however that makes things worse.

    Provoking someone who lashes out at U.S. voters while campaigning is “over reaction and escalation” just waiting to happen.

    PEACE 😇

  79. anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    Not to be outdone by the stupid left, the stupid right — neocon mouthpieces like Breitbart and Zerohedge have been going full blown on the “China intentional bioweapon release” theory since this thing started in Feb 2020, while simultaneously claiming that the pandemic is a hoax. Their mindless readers and Trumptards are doing the same, i.e. the same people who insist on calling this a “China virus” are also the anti-vaxers who said “What virus?” Which is it? They can’t both be right!

  80. Schmitty says: • Website

    I believe it was a lab created bioweapon, but not aimed at the Chinese. Look at the number of Asian deaths, compared to European and American deaths (including African American). This was tailored to take us out. Our government is actively killing us now. We need to return the favor.

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  81. Realist says:
    @lavoisier

    He was and remains a stupid Gentile easily manipulated to do the wrong thing.

    Of which there are many in this country. They remain stupid because you can’t fix stupid.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  82. During the 1918 Spanish Flu, Big Pharma labeled it “Spanish” to divert attention it was created in Kansas by vaccinations of returning army soldiers from WWI. Also, Spanish was apparently picked to characterize Spain as a non-modern, superstitious, vaccine rejecting Catholic country. But China has since replaced Spain as the image of evil. Not mentioned is all the virus hoaxes (AIDS, Avian Flu, Hepatitis C, Bovine Spongaform Encephalitis, etc.). Kevin Barrett does not tell us why Coronavirus is also not a psy op hoax.

    Claus Kohnlein, MD, in his book Virus Mania, points out that there is no Coronavirus. An independent statistical researcher has recently found that 104 laboratories and health agencies around the world cannot document that C-19 has been isolated and sequenced (outside the fictional computer model sequencing).

    But, you ask, what can explain that C-19 broke out in Wuhan and concurrently in Iran? Arthur Firstenberg in his book The Electric Rainbow explains that viral-like flu epidemic breaks out about every 11 years due to sun spot cycles. This is why the Spanish Flu of 1918 broke in South Africa out 2 weeks after a reported epidemic in the US. At that time there was no air travel, only slow boat travel. Same with Iran.

    What has caused a world wide epidemic is selective perception, as the number of flu deaths in the US dropped to 1800 in 2020-21 and C-19 deaths were about the same level as prior years flu deaths. This is like the Windshield Pitting Mystery of 1954, which purported that atomic fallout (or asphalt on roads) were pitting car windshields. What researchers found was that it was the focusing of attention to windshields that created the perception of a problem.

    The Wuhan Lab theory of C-19 is an apparent plausible, hence believable, notion that resonates with many people. It is a Psy Op.

    Then what is killing people world wide? As mentioned above, it is Influenza A or Respiratory Syncytial (Clotting) Virus that has been around since 1848. Now, to compound that cycle of virus like flu is the compound deaths from vaccinations. What is really killing people, however, is the lethal hospital treatments of ventilators instead of oxygen and immunosuppressive drugs that wipe out the immune system. This is just like what happened after WWI with the Spanish Flu – it was hospitalization that killed 60 million worldwide. Those that went to sanitariums for sunlight, water, fasting, all survived.

  83. Marcion says:

    Barrett seems to think that those darn rednecks have hoodwinked the poor innocent liberals into becoming anti Chinese racists. Psychology ain’t his strong suit.
    Dumb conservatives are almost exclusively anti-communists, not anti-russian or anti chink. Most of them are also anti-racists, which as you know turns out to be a not very realistic thing.

  84. Lt. Col. Michael A. Aquino is dead (probably). His bio has been expunged from Wikipedia.

    Here is an interview with Sean Stone. It is still on YouTube, but it is being “cloaked” by the search algos.

  85. Sean says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ‘No plan survives contact with the enemy’, but there is a plan that attempts to anticipate likely outcomes in any conspiracy worthy of the name. To my way of thinking, you cannot posit a high level conspiracy without also showing that its putative plan succeeding was not going to have disastrous outcome for the conspirators. How could a top level Deep State cabal not be advised by the biowarfare program experts who created the novel coronavirus (covid) pathogen that it would not respect national boundaries? Why would the conspirators think it a good idea to choose Wuhan for the ground zero on the outbreak, when that would be a dead giveaway to the Chinese that if was not a naturally arising disease, and was a frame of China for a lab accident? Why bother framing China at all, they could have started the pandemic in Southern China and make it look like a natural happening to the Chinese. They have a powerful army and nuclear weapons you know!

    If by official story you mean what most educated and science professionals believe, then this was a completely natural arising virus that just happened to be several hundreds of miles away from semitropical southern China, where such coronaviruses are in the wild, but in Wuhan: the centre for coronavirus research, where the dangerous viruses sampled from the wild were being messed with to make them able to infect human tissues. But that is thought by people who oppose Trump because he suggested the lab leak theory, not because the circumstantial evidence supports it. Wade is quite right about that. Ron, as usual, is half right. One of the laboratories was 500 yards from the wet market where many of the first cases cluster and that lab moved to that location just before the original outbreak turned into the global pandemic.

  86. We have to be reminded that the normal seasonal cold (a corona virus) can morph into a viral-like pneumonia if we eat protein, starch and sugar during the first five days. If we run to the pharmacy for aspirin and other meds instead of letting the fever burn off the infection, take chicken soup with protein and starch, and do not get 30 minutes of sunlight daily or a vitamin D and zinc supplements, it is more likely to worsen into pneumonia. Folk medicine says Feed a Cold; Starve a Fever. That is eminently wise. So the so-called deadly coronavirus is likely nothing more than the flu.

  87. Marcion says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    I’ve been to a thousand restaurants and not one of them offers grits. You obviously haven’t been to the Wuhan wet markets or you would have said so.
    On the other hand, your line about Americans being dumbed down; I’ll grant you that fact. The wet market Wuhan bat hypothesis is weak.

  88. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “why should that automatically prove that China is innocent of same?”

    Because there is zero evidence that China did that.

    China simply don’t have the intention, motivation, track record nor the experience to research or to launch the bio-attack. They are interested in making money, trading with other countries (including US), and improving themselves and their country. Any fair-minded person with common sense can easily conclude that.

    Meanwhile, people like Dystopian, you and many Americans are in moral discord, anger and confusion. So, you guys need to project bad things to others, to make you feel less impotent and less insecure, because you can’t do any damn thing to the US government, or the Jew-this Jew-that, or the “deep-state”, or the media, or the CIA, …. You feel the need to “believe” China (also, solely, possibly, probably, absolutely,….) did that. This is just like you need to bring up a person who died almost half a century ago to the thread on current issue on Taiwan, because you feel powerless about stopping China in Taiwan.

    Your world does not have hope, no future, and no possible exit out of darkness. But instead of searching for the causes and solutions at the mirror, you look at the map for some distant aliens to blame. The further away the aliens, the less association and reminder of your pains. The result is that you, your country and your race continue to stay in the same spot, while the world moves on.

    I really feel sorry for people like you.

  89. haha says:
    @polite derelict

    I think you are making an incorrect either/or assumption here. One can believe (rightly or wrongly) that: (a) Covid-19 was a bioweapon leaked out intentionally (or accidentally) and also believe (b) that the best defense in the short term is isolation and lockdowns. Both propositions (a) and (b) can be asserted simultaneously without committing any logical error. I hope you see the simple point of logic here. I am not making any empirical assertion here – yet.

    Let us now try making empirical assertions. To my mind, the empirical truth as to the origin of Covid-19 has not been established. Yes, some evidence does exist pointing this or that way, but nothing that is definitive and fully convincing. However, regardless of the origin of the virus, the empirical truth of isolation and lockdowns impeding the spread of the virus has been established beyond reasonable doubt. This is in line with all knowledge in the fields of virology and infectious diseases, which further serves to add to the believability of the isolation/lockdown approach. Remember, the most successful containment of the virus happened in China, and their main weapon was selective lockdowns. In this the Chinese authorities were helped by a disciplined population, as also by the fact that their lockdowns were intelligently designed and efficiently implemented. You and I may dislike lockdowns (especially as implemented in the Anglo countries) but whether isolation and lockdowns actually work is a scientific/empirical question, not a political or ideological one.

  90. haha says:
    @Sean

    You are missing a BIG point here. Assuming- just assuming – it was an American bio-attack on China, the big advantage of virus leaks is plausible deniability arising out of uncertainty. It is simply not easy to prove and believe that the virus was intentionally released by actor A or B. China – and any other rational state player – cannot be expected to initiate a war based on suspicion. That is the beauty of plausible deniability.

    Nothing proven yet because nothing fully known yet.

    • Replies: @Sean
  91. Wild Man says:
    @A123

    I agree to a certain degree …. if this was a western endeavor (i.e. – bioweapon release), …. then it is crazy to think that Trump approved of such plan, …. because covid nearly crushed his election chances, …. but then, the CCP does not help exonerate itself (in the eyes of the world) , by failing to lay out all it’s cards, face-up, on these joint-research efforts, … showing that indeed Covid emerged from a lab that was manipulating the exact same viral samples that were being manipulated at WIV (and associated PLA labs in Wuhan).

    We do not find our way to the truth by way of continuing to entertain mis-truths. The CCP says that sars-cov-2 does not match any specific virus that they had studied and cultured at WIV (but continue to obscure all that prior data). But think about it. If covid-19 was spawned by rogue elements of the American regime … wouldn’t the CCP seek to show all the evidence they could possibly muster, to show that pinning the whole thing soley on the CCP, is a bogus maneuver, sure to fail, after the CCP would release all such research. So why doesn’t the CCP do so?

    To me, both the powers the control America (the western, but anti-true-west in ideology, neoliberal corporatist globalists inclusive of the role neocons play in this vein), as well as the CCP, are both culpable, one way or the other, until we actually get some truthiness.

  92. @jsinton

    Except for the 3,000 murdered, they were quite considerate about not killing others by controlling the collapse. They were also mindful about Israeli citizens and warned then through an Israeli app.
    They tried to save lives of other important people and Larry Silverstein is a living example of this.
    Racist people will always be racist and say that all those saved were Jewish and it was all by design. Ignore them.
    They say that America is ruled by Zionists, who happen to be just 2.5 % of the population. How can that be true? It’s time we learnt to tell truth from propaganda.

  93. Trinity says:

    Will the White House have trick or treaters this year? Will anyone dress up like the (((coronavirus?)))

    Shit, I saw a map of the United States that was made up of Black and Orange states and describing the most sought after candy in those states. I call racist. They made Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and most of the South B-L-A-C-K regardless of the most sought after candy by trick or treaters for that state. And there is no way in hell that “Skittles” is the most sought after candy in Georgia and quite a lot of other states. Sheeit, I know we have Negroes and plenty of Trayvons living here but “Skittles?” One state even had “Nerds” as its most sought after treat. Hell, if someone would have dropped me some “Skittles” or “Nerds” I would have returned that shit and asked for a candied apple or candied corn. Damn cheap bastards. Give me my Almond Joys, yo.

    Imagine going to some hoity-toity Halloweenie party on the Washington cocktail circuit. What or who would you dress up as?

    • Replies: @gay troll
  94. One problem with the “biowar” narrative is the war part.

    A war isn’t just one side shooting at the other side. Both sides (or all sides) get to take pot shots at each other.

    If it is true, then we are all in the middle of a war zone and it could last for a considerable period of time.

    Disturbing.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  95. … the idea that human beings might deliberately eat such vile and disgusting creatures is almost unthinkable.

    In Ghana’s second largest city of Kumasi, inside the walls of a natural museum, is a huge tree that houses thousands of bats. Just outside the museum’s compound adjacent to the wall, Ghanaian women put up charcoal grills for making bat barbecue. A Ghanaian guide told me he preferred bat meat over beef, chicken or pork any day. I don’t know if any exotic viral diseases have been reported in the country. And there is considerable traffic between our two countries. Regardless, I doubt that a purported shithole country would likely initiate a biological war against us or generate the kind of China bashing that has now become our new national pastime.

    • Replies: @haha
  96. Iris says:
    @GMC

    Where did 200 stories of high-rise concrete, red iron, and all the contents go?

    That is exactly the correct observation that most basic common should commend: no need for a Physics degree to understand that conventional demolitions, whether engineered or uncontrolled such as in earthquakes, can never make the rubble disappear.

    The Twin Towers and WTC7 “disappeared” because they were turned into dust, not into rubble. This was made possible because they were destroyed at the most profound, molecular level. Only an exceptionally powerful pressure shockwave (blast), generated by a nuclear detonation, could have achieved such unprecedented level of disintegration.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Thanks: GMC
  97. Wild Man says:
    @d dan

    “Because there is zero evidence that China did that.”

    No, …. assuming this was lab-derived, then it is possible it was derived from any such lab that was dabbling in sars-like virus manipulations. There is no more hard evidence that this was spawned by way of a western lab, than a Chinese lab, at this point. And also, take notice: …. both the western powers, and the CCP, …. prefer this obfuscatory public stalemate, than a public airing of the truth. Who loses if this obfuscatory scenario continues to unfold unchecked? Well …. it’s the 8 billion of us who loses. We should make sure we don’t lose (this time).

    Isn’t it high time the 8 billion of us should get to appreciate precisely how much anxiety would actually be rationally warranted around the specific design features of said bioweapon? (which said design features would very very likely shed bioweapon suspicion upon the experimental western vaxxes, as well then), ….. that’s one of the main features of this whole covid-19 fiasco …. there really is as of yet, no real consensus, as to all of sars-cov-2 pathogenic qualities. Just mucho controversy – pathogenicity-wise. But if this is a bioweapon …. then … somebody knows (just precisely how dangerous it is, and just precisely why, – i.e. …. by which specific metabolic pathways, is the pathogenicity caused, as chosen by the virus designers?). Those somebodies, are committing gross evil upon the other 8 billion of us, ….. by continuing to refuse to tell us, after more than 18 months. As far as I can tell, both the western globalist powers, as well as the CCP, have the wherewithall to speak the truth, but both still continue to prefer not to. Pretty much evil (from both controlling groups).

  98. haha says:
    @Justrambling

    “I doubt that a purported shithole country (Ghana)”

    Ghana is one of the most successful and stable countries in Africa. It has nice people, a civil government, good education, and the ability to feed and educate itself.

    Where does so much off-hand racist bigotry come from?

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Justrambling
  99. Iris says:
    @CosmicMythos

    The WTC nuclear demolition was executed with an even simpler and less detectable method, similar to what has been done hundreds of time in classic underground nuclear testing.

    Each tower had a borehole underneath it, going down at minus 75 metres under bedrock level. These drillings was required by Building Regulations and prepared during the construction of the WTC.

    Silverstein and the Israelis staged a “plane” attack, and opportunistically used the ensuing panic to lower nuclear charges under each Tower, and detonate them.

    At minus 75 metres depth, the noise and flash balls of the nuclear explosion are not perceptible. The radioactive fallout is almost entirely contained (except for a fraction that seeps through the cracks). The main visible effect is the formidably powerful pressure shockwave, which turned each tower into dust.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_weapons_testing

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  100. gay troll says:
    @Trinity

    Imagine going to some hoity-toity Halloweenie party on the Washington cocktail circuit. What or who would you dress up as?

    Zombie JFK, with the back of his skull taped together, inquiring as to the location of his missing brain.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  101. anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    Retired US Navy officer and black Republican conservative US congressional candidate Jarome Bell, posted an alleged leaked video from China (and banned from Twitter for it), saying that:
    – US-Western politicans have been bribed to push vaccine which is death sentence, this is a Chinese plan
    – Vax campaign will stop when enough of US military / leadership is vaxed, as US will collapse, China will win
    – China has antidote to covid but not to the vax

    Story from Jim Stone, who adds:

    Watch for Israel to start releasing AWESOME anti-vax stuff, because now that they have aided and abetted China in maiming the world, they need to play savior and scream ME TOO

    Stone says the language level checks, this seems legit to him … Could this be an Epoch Times / Falun Gong type psy-op about what they keep calling the ‘CCP virus’? vid w. subtitles, 1 min.

    • Replies: @rufus clyde
  102. Iris says:
    @haha

    It has nice people

    Very family-orientated, very religious, and with interesting collective customs: it is common that villagers put money together to provide interest-free bursaries for their most intelligent youngsters to study abroad.

    They also have very peculiar and uplifting funeral traditions, with celebrations, therapeutic music and elaborate caskets, showing that their greatest respect goes to their elders.

  103. Wild Man says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    “If it is true, then we are all in the middle of a war zone and it could last for a considerable period of time.”

    I hope not. But the longer this goes on, with neither party seeking to break the obfuscatory public stalemate that both parties seem committed to (both the western globalists, and the CCP) as to revealing what they each know about the truth of sars-cov-2 origins, …. one must start to entertain your statement as a real possibility. If it’s not a covert biowar, then it’s evil by way of obfuscatory behavior (by both parties) that opens up rational actors (such as ourselves here at this blogspot) to the hypothesis that it may well be a covert biowar. And of course, if it’s actually an ongoing covert biowar ….. that is extreme evil as well. The western globalist powers + the CCP, are working in conjunction to either bring extreme psychological/cultural harm to us, if not actual extreme biological harm to us.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Si1ver1ock
  104. @d dan

    “…China simply don’t have the intention, motivation, track record nor the experience to research or to launch the bio-attack…”

    China too has a deep state, and remember, China too has atom bombs.

    My suspicion is that the virus was created by the American deep state in America, then offered to the Chinese, so-called by “rogue elements”, which the Chinese accepted, not to mount an attack on America, but to possess such a weapon “just in case”, like they also possess nuclear weapons, “just in case”. Then the Americans working in the lab in Wuhan released the virus to blame it on the Chinese. Because the Chinese government was not entirely innocent in this matter, it first tried to cover it up. When that was no more possible, it implemented rigorous lock downs that were successful. The purpose of the American deep state was to thwart China’s economic success that was seen as threatening.

    That the virus also reached America and other parts of the world was no accident, but part of a larger plan, i.e. global depopulation by means of a killer vaccine. That is why the vaccine is so much forced on the population. The failed attack on China was thus only part of a larger conspiracy (of which China is no part).

    • Replies: @d dan
  105. Sean says:
    @haha

    Assuming- just assuming – it was an American bio-attack on China, the big advantage of virus leaks is plausible deniability arising out of uncertainty.

    I suppose by ‘virus leaks’ you mean begining the release of the covid pathogen in Wuhan to frame Chinse scientists there for an accidental lab leak. I see that as being a misconceived attribution of what the priority would be’ The Chinese could check what had been going on in their own facilities. A southern China ground zero would have been the way to make China uncertain about what happened. The conspiracy’s intended objective was to set China back decades, and that would entail deliberately killing a hundred million Chinese, which would be likely to get the Chinese incensed, paranoid, and wanting to see others suffer too. A US Deep State conspiracies plan would surely prioritize not being suspected in the aftermath by the Chinese. For one thing the Chinese surely know who the major antiChina players in the US Deep State are; why would China start screaming in the media that the named individuals were breaking the chain of command and waging an undeclared war against China while causing many tens of million of deaths?

    China has a proxy in Kim’s North Korea, which China could send Kim’s forces into South Korea where tens of thousands ofUS troops are sitting ducks. China maybe could, but probably would not sit waiting to see what more deadly bioweapon they were going to be hit with next. This would not be like the the standard of proof required of the prosecution in a court of law hearing a murder case. The Chinese government would investigate and thus know if the covid pathogen had accidently been released by their researchers in Wuhan. On reaching the conclusion that it had probably has not been the Chinese would have to conclude that peaceful deterrence failed and Americans did not really think China would dare do anything. In those circumstances China would initiate military action against the US, probably by using their sockpuppet Kim as a proxy for a ‘North Korean’ invasion of South Korea.

  106. Trinity says:
    @gay troll

    Nice. I was thinking I might go as Hitler. I would go as the USS Liberty or the Twin Towers but that would be extremely disrespectful to the innocent Americans who lost their life on the Liberty and on 9-11.

    This is so ridiculous to keep hashing and rehashing who-done-it when it comes to 9-11 and this scamdemic. Everyone and their nephew knows damn well who-did-it and they are not the ChiComs.

    I’m wondering what America would do IF it came out so they could no longer deny that Israel/Jews were behind both covid and 9-11. What would “our” leaders do???? Probably the same thing they did when the USS Liberty was attacked. NOT A DAMN THING.

  107. Iris says:
    @Wild Man

    The western globalist powers + the CCP, are working in conjunction to either bring extreme psychological/cultural harm to us, if not actual extreme biological harm to us.

    China had eliminated the Covid pandemic by May 2020.

    Apart from local outbreaks, very swiftly and efficiently tackled, the Chinese population has resumed a normal life ever since. Unlike us in the West, they quickly got their lives back.

    What is the point pretending we are in the same boat? We’re not. The Chinese are ruled by a domestically-benevolent, very competent power, which looks after its people. We are ruled by incompetent thugs who look after the bankers.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  108. Bezos is in bed w/ China so whatever the Wash Compost prints is suspect. The kung flu was almost surely created in a lab. Whether the lab was tied to China in cahoots w/ Fauci or the USA’s bio weapons division is the only plausible scenario.

  109. @Wild Man

    if it’s actually an ongoing covert biowar

    Covert war seems to be the operative idea. The Chinese apparently decided to respond with covert economic warfare, hence the supply chain disruptions. The economy is definitely under strain. Whether it is transitioning or collapsing is up to interpretation. It may be another controlled demolition.

    But the Chinese may not be the only players. Take Iran for example. If we launched a bioweapon against them, they have the means and motive to retaliate. In addition, there are non-state actors to consider.

    • Agree: Wild Man
  110. @Sean

    There is no Covid “plague”. The 1918 pandemic wiped out vast numbers of young people in the most productive years of their lives. The US, being totally corrupt in literally every aspect of society, makes an extremely poor subject in which to analyze the effects of SARS CoV-2. Canada is subject to many of the problems that beset the US, but to a far lesser degree, thus making conclusions about the virus drawn from analysis of that country more valid.

    The average age of a Covid “death” in Alberta is 79. Over 60% of Covid “deaths” occurred in a population of 23 000 frail, sick and elderly people in long-term care. The other <40% occurred across the other 4.348 million. 74% of all Covid "deaths" had three or more significant pre-existing conditions, with an average among those of 3.4 conditions. 77% of Covid "deaths" occurred in those over the age of 70.

    Which means that outside the population of frail, very sick elderly, Covid produced 479 deaths over 19 months in the population under 65 from over 3 million people.

    A brief examination of the new graphs put out by Stats Can demonstrating weekly mortality shows massive spikes in deaths in various Canadian provinces that did not occur simultaneously in other provinces. These were the kill-offs in the long-term care homes by three causes. Firstly, the staff, terrified by Covid hysteria, abandoned their charges in the poorly run homes in Ontario and Quebec. Massive death spikes are observable in both provinces, producing most of the total Covid deaths for those two provinces in a few short weeks. The military had to take over those care homes, finding the sick, frail elderly abandoned in their own filth and dying like flies. Further, customary medical treatment was not afforded the elderly, and this occurred across the country as a result of the panic response. And third, the daily routines and social interactions of the frail, sick and aged were completely disrupted, resulting in significant mortality.

    But no massive wipe-out of healthy people by the bug. It simply didn't happen, anywhere in Canada. Which makes it highly unlikely that the bug can account for any change in mortality in the US.

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2020017-eng.htm

    It is a psy-op, not a biological attack aimed at producing mass casualties. And it's All American.

  111. Wild Man says:
    @Iris

    Iris … most of us 8 billion reside outside of China. If the CCP knows something, that could aid the non-Chinese of the world (which is the large majority), and fails to do so …… not good. Pretty much same category of ‘not good’ as the people of western jurisdictions are already obtaining by way of our corrupt western globalist masters.

    I need the powers that have the capacity to make a difference in this covid fiasco, whomever they may be, to speak up already for people like me (the vast majority of the world). Why wouldn’t they? If the CCP has some capacity, to make a truthful difference with respect to this lying Covid Officialdom narrative, and just continues to shirk and says ‘not my problem’ ….. well, …. yes … in that eventuality the CCP efforts do therefore act in conjunction with the lying dirtbag globalist efforts.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @rufus clyde
    , @Iris
  112. @Iris

    SARS CoV-2 is nothing like SARS in it’s genomic structure?
    “The genomic sequence of this newly emerged virus is highly similar to that of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) with a 79.6% sequence identity [2].”
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0888754320308764

    Good job.

    • Replies: @Iris
  113. HorstG says:

    Discussing the origin supports the narrative of an extraordinary virus, and viruses in general. The virus being artificial weakens the argument of natural immunity, it supports the necessity to vaccinate every human being. There is no pandemic. Whatever the truth is, this gets way too much attention. It’s all on purpose.

  114. @Wild Man

    How precisely would the Chinese intervene to shut down the various phoney methods by which mortality in the US is being falsely attributed to Covid? How would the Chinese prevent the socio-economic disasters that are produced solely by policies enacted at various levels of government that have nothing whatsoever to do with managing the threat posed by an infectious respiratory virus?

  115. Iris says:
    @rufus clyde

    The article is wrong.

    The closest proven parent to SARS-Cov2 (in red) is the bat virus RaTG13 9in green) with which it shares 96.1 % of its genome.

    But the bat’s RaTG13 critically misses the receptor-binding domain (RBD, within the amber band), which allows SARS-CoV2 to infect humans.

    This RBD domain, on the contrary, can be found in the Malayan pangolin virus, which genome otherwise much differs from SARS-Cov2. Hence the ironic “Flying Pangolin” label.

    https://leelabvirus.host/covid19/origins-part1
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.17.951335v1.full

  116. @Iris

    Silverstein and the Israelis staged a “plane” attack, and opportunistically used the ensuing panic to lower nuclear charges under each Tower, and detonate them.

    It would have been much more logical to put them in place before the event. They could close the buildings up solid for a weekend or three to avoid prying eyes and unforeseen problems. They could properly test all necessary circuits. And they could remove all incriminating evidence like hoists to avoid anything being left behind to expose the operation.

    The explosion in the sub-basement of the North Tower just before the “plane” crashed speaks to an device that was previously installed. See testimony of William Rodriguez.

  117. Iris says:
    @Wild Man

    If the CCP knows something, that could aid the non-Chinese of the world (which is the large majority), and fails to do so …… not good.

    But what would the CCP do, WM? They have no magic stick, no magic powers, jut good governance applied and adjusted day to day. It can’t be transposed to other countries.

    China is actually helping immensely, because she has been, in complete silence and great modesty, offering hundreds of millions of vaccines for free, to countries who can’t afford them and are tragically suffering from Covid19. And this is what the EU buffoons have to say about it:

    Already in July, EU Commissioner Josep Borrell warned that “insufficient” vaccine donations to Africa and Latin America could see the bloc losing influence to China.

    He said: “Who’s the big vaccine supplier to Africa? China. Who’s the big vaccine supplier to Latin America? China.”

    All is about “influence” and money-grabbing for our bankers-owned politicians.

    The truth is that our countries, unlike China, have long lost the ethical struggle and their moral compass, because we were made to worship money. Our politicians are leading by example: their personal fortunes matter more than the wellbeing of their constituencies. It is one but many features of civilisational decay.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  118. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “China too has a deep state”

    Sure, China does, like every country.

    But what does China deep state want? They likely want to scam millions or billions from the Belt&Road Initiative. They want their family businesses to get the next government contracts, to monopolize the next upshots, to gain the next IPOs. They want their children to get Harvard scholarships, from Chinese government or elsewhere. They want to get awards, prizes, recognition, money, green card… They are not likely to want nor interested in helping China to establish global hegemony, to destroy other nations, to color-revolution governments, to bomb the (real/imagined) enemy, or to cause economic recession. Those goals and actions do not help them nor China, and not congruent with Chinese aspiration, practice and culture. They are a lost-lost proposition in China. Yes, China has problems, many. But not related to military-industrial complex, bioweapon, warmongering, adventurism, wonton disregard of human lives,…

    Even if China deep states are depraved enough that they want to destroy US or to cause misery to the people, they know that the best way is to wait, and do NOT provoke a war or even tension. If you are on winning streaks, why take a desperate, unproven and risky detour? They knew US is destroying itself. They are not stupid.

    Furthermore, China has a functioning government, competent leaders and decent bureaucrats. Unlike Westerners, Chinese people demand clean and efficient government. For example, leaders or even ordinary folks who brag about lying, cheating or stealing – and taking courses in those skills, will not survive a single day in the Chinese society, let alone in top government position. Internet, globalization and international travels help to reinforce the demands and amplify their voices. IF there is China deep-state that perform such consequential feat of universal attention like Covid-19, either through deliberate attacks or careless leaks, they will be exposed within China by now. Thousands would likely be arrested, hundreds shot and millions investigated. Both the government and people would not tolerate this stupidity and insane risk.

    “the virus was created created by the American deep state in America, then offered to the Chinese, so-called by “rogue elements” … to possess such a weapon “just in case”…”

    I am so “touched”. This is so kind for American deep state. They don’t care about China stealing. They are also very trustful of Chinese “rogue elements”.

    As I said, you guys lack even basic information and appreciation of the China today to arrive at your unfounded speculation. They are based on projection, outdated stereotyping and even (unconscious or overt) racism on many of you. When Trump couldn’t withdraw just 2,000 soldiers from Syria after 4 years, you believe Xi also doesn’t care nor have the power to investigate or close down Wuhan Lab if he wants. I have alluded to your problems, but instead of quitting your psychological opium for your pains, you decide to double down on the mental opioid for your brain.

    I don’t want to sound so heartless, but will end with these Chinese old sayings:

    可怜之人必有可恨之处
    A pitiful person must have some detestable reasons for being pitiful.
    可恨之人必有可悲之苦。
    but a detestable person must have some hidden suffering for being detestable.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  119. cohen says:
    @A123

    Look who is back

    123 with fake peace word. You dont listen to requests to change it something more appropriate like a demonic head with some colorful horn. Get some ideas from the movie “Eyes wide shut”. There were some custom made demonic mask.

    OK. So how are little Talmudist doing? Are you training them to be Holohoax survivors when they grow up and some free money from Germany. And if Germany refuses increase the number to 7 millions.
    I know one couple in Baltimore (both Drs) from Russia. Their parents enjoying tons of money from different fed/state/city programs. You guys are genius.

    On a serious note. You never furnish me the name of great Rabbi’s name who debated God and won (according to Talmud). I would like to learn his magic.

    1. Where you guys come up with such Einsteinic ideas like the following

    Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
    http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_63.html

    2. You folks are good at fooling Christian Zionists without making them realize that they are taken for a ride.

    http://judaism.is/judeo-christian.html

    3. Remember in your Talmudic classes?
    Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

    Did he do it because EVE or STEVE were not born yet.
    Adam must be a busy man

  120. @Iris

    Never stop derping.

    This is what you said, “But SARS CoV2, which appeared in 2019, is nothing like SARS in its genomic structure.”

    That is simply false, a fact that is borne out by the articles to which you linked. Neither of which demonstrate that the RBD in SARS CoV-2 came from pangolin virus.

    More importantly, all of the modelling is in silico. Which, amusingly, supports the far-out claims of the great unwashed that the virus has never been isolated in vitro, nor sequenced from an actual sample taken from a cell.

    • Troll: Iris
  121. @d dan

    …wonton disregard…’??!! My God-genocide by yum cha!!!

  122. @Iris

    It was known very early on that this was a bat-pangolin chimaera, with a furin cleavage zone thrown in. 100% man-made. The Chinese know, I am certain, that they did not create it, so knew that they were under attack. QED, but naturally Western Sinophobes still lie, or swallow lies fatuously.

  123. @Si1ver1ock

    Numbskull Sinophobe-there are over one hundred ships awaiting discharge of cargo off Los Angeles, showing that China is still supplying the goods. The breakdown is in the USA, with the leisurely practises at the container terminals (only now going 24/7) and the massive problems with trucking, as truckers leave the industry in droves after forty years of sinking wages, worsening conditions, and, under CoViD, health and sanitation catastrophes ie NO showers or proper rest-stops etc.

  124. @Schmitty

    A virus that mostly kills people already above the life expectancy age is not a weapon. If anything it is almost beneficial to society. I am disappointed in the CCP for not taking this chance to solve China’s pension problem.

    • Replies: @Sean
  125. @Si1ver1ock

    The container ships are waiting near American ports. It indicates which part of the supply chain is broken. But the White man cries out in pain as he strikes you.

    • Replies: @A123
  126. @haha

    I am acutely aware of what you state about Ghana and please stop your racist patronizing. It will get you nowhere. If you read my post I said “purported shithole country” with racist Trump in mind. When he labeled the entire continent along with Haití “shithole” he never singled out Ghana or any other African country as an exception. Besides, most Americans don’t know the first thing about Ghana or any other African country. By the way, Trump is quite the favorite in many UR pieces. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if you have openly supported his bigotry.

  127. Sean says:
    @The_MasterWang

    Its major drawback as a weapon would be predictably infecting the whole world.

  128. It is thoroughly impossible that this was, singularly, a bio warfare move against China (and Iran). These creatures are certainly evil enough to launch such a thing. But it is entirely impossible to believe they wouldn’t understand its spread beyond these locations.

    And that means that this is a world wide terror campaign. The mRNA “vaccine” being the next phase of what is a global war on the population of the planet.

    Whatever this controlling entity is, they have an incomprehensible hatred of humanity.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  129. JWalters says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    Thank you for the correction about the 47 core support columns. In addition there were 240 perimeter columns also capable of supporting the towers. The buildings were in essence “over-designed” to handle large stresses.
    “The Perimeter Walls: The Structural System of the Twin Towers”
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html

    Trump’s mistake in the video may have originated in the official 8/11 report stating that the buildings were supported by the peripheral columns alone, and that the towers were essentially “hollow”. That mistake make have come from the fact that the central basement blast in the 1990’s did not bring down the tower, even though it may have blown out the core columns.
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

  130. @Just another serf

    It’s not “either-or”, it’s “and-and”: a biogical war on China and depopulation of the rest of humanity. China is targetted not because it is a serious competitor of America, but because it is too independent of Globalist control. Since the global elite that is behind this monstrous plan consists mainly of Westerners and Jews, therefore the urge to have everybody be vaccinated with the killer vaccine is felt the strongest in the Western world and….in Israel. The reduction of 90% of the “useless eaters” is the aim. Those who remain will be the zombie slaves of the elite. That is what Klaus Schwab means with “the Great Reset”.

  131. A123 says: • Website
    @The_MasterWang

    The container ships are waiting near American ports. It indicates which part of the supply chain is broken. But the White man cries out in pain as he strikes you.

    The problem is even worse on the other side of the Pacific. Here are specific numbers for Northern China. (1)

    There are over 60 container ships full of import cargo stuck offshore of Los Angeles and Long Beach, but there are more than double that — 154 as of Friday — waiting to load export cargo off Shanghai and Ningbo in China, according to eeSea, a company that analyzes carrier schedules.

    Southern Chinese ports have similar problems so 5:1 would be a good estimate of the total shipping jam. Based on your logic, your euphemism needs another line to capture the fact that China is 5:1 worse.

    But the Yellow CCP Elite cries out, cries out, cries out, cries out, cries out in pain as he strikes the American Worker.

            FREE Trade is Not FREE
            All Trade is Managed Trade

    Countries that do not manage trade are guaranteed losers.

    The one silver lining to this fiasco is, U.S. citizens see the vulnerability of overly long & fragile trans-Pacific supply chains for essential goods. Americans have rediscovered and now believe in Managing Trade. MAGA Reindustrialization is inevitable. Using U.S. energy and U.S. raw materials to make products in the U.S.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________

    (1) https://www.freightwaves.com/news/container-ships-now-piling-up-at-anchorages-off-chinas-ports

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  132. @Realist

    I wonder if you yourself, realize the absolute truth of the statement, “you can’t fix stupid.” In life and for most people, it’s totally true. Almost an iron law.

    • Replies: @Realist
  133. Wild Man says:
    @Iris

    “But what would the CCP do, WM? ”

    Well, …. they could start by releasing Dr. Shi Zhengli’s sealed research records.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  134. there’s literally zero evidence that the US produced this and released it in china

    IF they did, you should have no concerns about their ability to EVER accomplish any of the grand conspiracies and master plans that you fancy they have, because they are fucking idiots

  135. @Sean

    I know that RU has already stressed that in his scenario the aim would be not to cause 100 million deaths but to inflict economic disruption. It did do that for awhile, although the blowback effect of economic disruption in the West has been much higher. Whatever the true total of CV-19 deaths in China may have been (and I am familiar with arguments that the official total underestimates this) it seems clear that the Chinese economy has gotten back in gear more quickly than can be said for us. If a massive wave of CV-19 was still running across China then it seems unlikely that such an economic reopening could be done without the outside world hearing about the virus still raging in the country.

    • Replies: @Sean
  136. This is starting to get ridiculous to the point where I wonder if people here are on the chink payroll. As much as I despise ZOG and am ready to blame it for just about everything that goes wrong on earth (including in this case funding the “gain of function” research), are we meant to all simply ignore the fact that the chinks are a sloppy, disgusting, irresponsible, megalomaniacal group of insects?

    They are incapable of inventing anything on their own and steal every and any set of intellectual property they can get their yellow hands on. They are also very unskilled liars ( something the Jews excel at) to where their guilt emanates from their face like flashing Christmas lights.

    The whole thing seems very much akin to trying to blame radiation from cherynobel or three-mile island on some external source. I mean for Christ’s sake, the outbreak began in a place with a level 4 CDC lab doing research on…gain of function in bat Corona viruses!

    I’m ready and eager to blame ZOG for just about anything ( and in this case Fauci et al WERE funding it) but at day’s end this was a case of typical chink sloppiness and laziness coming home to roost.

    • Troll: d dan, mulga mumblebrain
  137. Realist says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    I wonder if you yourself, realize the absolute truth of the statement, “you can’t fix stupid.”

    I firmly believe that intelligence is at least 80% genetics. It is a sad life for those on the left of the curve and it should not be considered their fault. Those that dwell on the far right side have a daunting task…living with a tremendous mass of people who don’t understand them, and for the most part, don’t support them.

  138. Ron Unz says:
    @Zoom-copter2221

    This is starting to get ridiculous to the point where I wonder if people here are on the chink payroll…The whole thing seems very much akin to trying to blame radiation from cherynobel or three-mile island on some external source. I mean for Christ’s sake, the outbreak began in a place with a level 4 CDC lab doing research on…gain of function in bat Corona viruses!…I’m ready and eager to blame ZOG for just about anything ( and in this case Fauci et al WERE funding it) but at day’s end this was a case of typical chink sloppiness and laziness coming home to roost.

    Well, you seem to be a newcomer to this website, and since the Covid origins information provided here has been almost 100% excluded from everywhere else in both the mainstream and alternative media, I can understand why you’d initially be disbelieving.

    But if you bother reading portions of the long series of articles I’ve published here over the last 18 months, you’ll see that there’s actually strong even overwhelming evidence that the Covid outbreak was actually due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    Here are a few key excerpts:

    For example, in 2017 Trump brought in Robert Kadlec, who since the 1990s had been one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates. The following year in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic hit China’s poultry industry and in 2019, another mysterious viral epidemic devastated China’s pork industry…

    From the earliest days of the administration, leading Trump officials had regarded China as America’s most formidable geopolitical adversary, and orchestrated a policy of confrontation. Then from January to August 2019, Kadlec’s department ran the “Crimson Contagion” simulation exercise, involving the hypothetical outbreak of a dangerous respiratory viral disease in China, which eventually spreads into the United States, with the participants focusing on the necessary measures to control it in this country. As one of America’s foremost biowarfare experts, Kadlec had emphasized the unique effectiveness of bioweapons as far back as the late 1990s and we must commend him for his considerable prescience in having organized a major viral epidemic exercise in 2019 that was so remarkably similar to what actually began in the real world just a few months later.

    With leading Trump officials greatly enamored of biowarfare, fiercely hostile to China, and running large-scale 2019 simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak in that country, it seems entirely unreasonable to completely disregard the possibility that such extremely reckless plans may have been privately discussed and eventually implemented, though probably without presidential authorization.

    But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

    According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan.  Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms.  The implications are rather obvious.  Furthermore:

    As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

    Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

    Here’s the link to my most recent column on the subject and also a longer one from a few months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    And here’s the link to the entire series:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    If you do decide to take a look, perhaps you should then ask yourself why absolutely none of this public information has been reported in any of your other sources of information.

    • Thanks: Iris
  139. Sean says:
    @Patrick McNally

    I know that RU has already stressed that in his scenario the aim would be not to cause 100 million deaths but to inflict economic disruption

    No, Ron can’t have it both ways as if cutting China off at the knees would be something that could be done without killing about ten percent of their population. He said the objective was a long term hamstringing of China to stop it overtaking the US, which would entail inflicting a real catastrophe on China rather than mere “economic disruption”. In a country of a billion people that would entail taking the lives of about 100million, bearing in mind that the economically active would be a minority; mine is a conservative estimate of the casualties that would necessarily be the central part of a plan for by anyone setting themselves the objective of derailing China for the foreseeable future.

    Chinese economy has gotten back in gear more quickly than can be said for us.

    The West has not got out of second gear for decades. What is striking about the rapid recovery by China is for them normal is being in overdrive. The Chinese economy is accelerating to the previous high level; for China this has been a blip. Trump being reelected as president was a far greater obstacle to China supplanting the US than any pandemic, even if it somehow only affected only China (and Iran).

  140. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    Covid outbreak was actually due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    I can see how the those tasked with creating a bespoke bioweapon for the conspiracy might have kidded themselves and their paymaster that the Covid -19 pathogen would selectively target those of east Asian ancestry, so the conspirators would have thought there was no chance of a global pandemic wiping out the hit taken by China’s power (in relation to the US’s). However, Iranians are surely too similar to Europeans.

  141. @Ron Unz

    No Ron, have been here for more years than I can even remember and you are literally the one person on the internet for whom I truly have the highest regard. I went to Williams and got a similar “cocktail party fellowship” to Oxford as your own and my older brother went to Harvard and received the same exact one as you did to Cambridge. I have ALWAYS respected you and held your opinion in the highest regard for the ~10 years I’ve been reading your site.

    This is quite literally the first time I’ve ever had such a stark difference in opinion with any thesis you’ve put forward. Just this afternoon, yet another (formerly) respected organization dealing with these matters came out with yet another report essentially calling Fauci a lying Guinea charlatan.

    If I somehow end up being wrong l, will gladly admit as much; but at this point, I just don’t see how it is possible.

  142. @Ron Unz

    Ron, I have been following the entire thing very closely. I can’t get into specifics out of fear of getting certain people into trouble by indirectly revealing identities that someone could potentially discover through a process of elimination.

    All I can really say without jeopardizing anyone is that I am close to someone from law school who was in the unusual position of being in a high level position for both Biden and his wife and had the highest level of security clearance.

    I can tell you with complete certainty that the reports coming to Biden from the Intel community to himself and the highest level of advisor around him were unambiguous in placing blame directly on China, the Wuhan lab, and “gain of function” research funded by the NIH several weeks before it broke as a news story. I can also tell you that his brazen dishonesty around this issue (along with the clustetfuck of issues around his son’s corruption, of which thus far not even the tip of the iceberg has become public) have led to a number of his more competent advisors around him quietly abandoning ship out of fear the entire f–king administration is not far from an unprecedented disaster.

    As I previously said, I did my UG at Williams– I didn’t say I did my JD at YLS after my Master’s from the “most prestigious” college at Oxford for my fellowship. You can choose to believe I am full of shit or that the people I know who were around Biden as recently as a few months ago were receiving incorrect or intentionally doctored Intel. But I can you this was the intel re: covid that was reaching the oval office and the advisors closest to him– and that the person I knew who was working closely with him said that– in their opinion– his obvious cognitive decline was not even the worst aspect of working with him, but his very short fuse, ego, and tendency to “snap at” and humiliate those who disagree with or try to suggest any alternate course of action.

    surrounding Biden re: covid as recently as ~3 months ago when the person I have been very close to ( so close I was one of the people this individual picked to be interviewed by the FBI for their security clearance) left as they and anyone else with even a modicum of commonsense is fleeing that sinking ship.

    The intel they have been getting since Jan of 2020? A leak from the lab in Wuhan. Whether people want to accept that or choose to believe that I am some sort of fantasist/ pathological liar, I cannot force anyone to believe me. Can only tell what I know.

  143. Ron Unz says:
    @Zoom-copter22221

    I can tell you with complete certainty that the reports coming to Biden from the Intel community to himself and the highest level of advisor around him were unambiguous in placing blame directly on China, the Wuhan lab, and “gain of function” research funded by the NIH several weeks before it broke as a news story…You can choose to believe I am full of shit or that the people I know who were around Biden as recently as a few months ago were receiving incorrect or intentionally doctored Intel….Whether people want to accept that or choose to believe that I am some sort of fantasist/ pathological liar, I cannot force anyone to believe me. Can only tell what I know.

    I’m not challenging your personal claims, but I’m not sure I find the evidence very persuasive. Don’t forget that during the lead-in to the Iraq War, the Neocon elements of the Bush Administration distributed a great deal of fraudulent intelligence information, which won over much of the MSM and the political elites. Just because something comes from the intelligence agencies controlled or influenced by Pompeo and Bolton doesn’t necessarily mean it’s accurate.

    Here’s a datapoint. For well over a year now, media outlets influenced by Pompeo have been reporting that the Wuhan lab had very poor safety measures, thus supporting the lab-leak theory, and Pompeo’s people have been promoting the “secret intelligence report” that several Wuhan researchers became ill with Covid-like symptoms right around the time of the supposed lab-leak.

    However, a few months ago the only actual credible Western eye-witness came forward, an Australian virologist who had been working at the Wuhan lab during this entire period, and she said it was all total nonsense. WIV had outstanding safety measures, she was pretty sure that no one had gotten sick there and there hadn’t been any lab-leak, and she very much doubted that WIV had created Covid. Frankly, I trust her opinion far more than the dishonest propaganda produced by Pompeo and then (by your account) provided to the Biden people. Did you trust Richard Perle and Douglas Feith and Irving Libby back twenty years ago?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#p_1_12

    I don’t have any of the connections with the Biden people or their US intelligence sources you claim, but just consider the simple, factual points I raised in my comment up-thread:

    https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/wapo-goes-batty-for-biowar-coverup/#comment-4966690

    The random, accidental Wuhan lab-leak allegedly occurred around October 2019 or perhaps a few weeks earlier. Yet from January to August 2019, Robert Kadlec, one of America’s leading advocates of biowarfare, ran a massive state/national government exercise on how America could best protect itself from a Covid-like viral outbreak in China….a exercise that ended just weeks before there was a Covid-like outbreak in China?

    If someone takes out a huge insurance policy on his wife, and two weeks later, the wife is suddenly shot-dead in a mysterious, unexplained killing, that doesn’t prove he did it, but the insurance company becomes very, very suspicious.

    Isn’t it “odd” that our DIA was distributing a secret intelligence report on the “potentially catastrophic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan at a time when maybe 10 people in that city of 11 million were only just starting to feel a little sick?

    Isn’t it “strange” that Iran’s political elites were hit so extremely hard almost immediately after the original Covid outbreak in Wuhan?

    Personally, I doubt that almost any of the Biden people you might know are aware of any of this information, or if someone did tell them, they would dismiss it as “impossible” just like they know that the Israeli attack on the Liberty was obviously accidental.

    You’ve emphasized that you have read and apparently generally agree with most of the items in my long American Pravda series. How many of those matters are known and accepted by those Biden people you mention? Possibly not a single one. That’s because they’ve been fed inaccurate information from official sources during their entire career. So why should you believe that the current information they’ve been fed on the origins of Covid is any more accurate?

    • Replies: @Zoom-copter2221
  144. @Zoom-copter22221

    Choosing the ‘full of shit’ option is easy. Either a total confabulator, possibly in urgent need of treatment, or a lying, racist, Sinophobe propagandist with ‘no recent commenting history’. Looking for a job with Murdoch, are you?

  145. @Zoom-copter2221

    Thanks, slime-ball. At least by ventilating your psychopathic racism and Sinophobe hatred, we can judge what a turd you really are. A really dangerously Evil racist swine.

  146. @Wild Man

    Why should the Chinese do anything that psychopathic Western racists like you demand? Its 2021, racist, NOT 1921. The late ‘Sick Man of Asia’ don’t bow and scrape to the ‘Sick Men of the West’ anymore.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  147. Sir, you seem very learned in this matter. Undoubtedly, your time as part of Xi’s “50 cent army” has taught you much. Especially on this website, I can do no nothing but break down and weep amidst your withering verbal assaults consisting of calling me a ” racist.” I have certainly never heard that before– esp. from a chinman, the most ethnocentric ppl on earth with the least to be proud of. I rely don’t know how I shall ever recover.

    Spend that 50 cents wisely; perhaps an investment in ” Evergreen?”

  148. @Ron Unz

    I agree that the Iran situation along with the deaths of numerous third-world (and specifically black/african) leaders is highly suspect. But that begs the question: was it something preplanned or does it fall under the category of ” never let a good crisis go to waste?”

    The entire “Covid-19” situation has led to the greatest transfer of even more wealth to the already super wealthy in the history of the planet. In addition, the American ( and Western people in general) wake up daily to find even more of the few remaining freedoms they had left chiseled away at even more. It seems almost too perfect not to have been preplanned.

    Could the “inside source” I had along with Biden himself (who, from all I have heard in private, is in early to mid onset of dementia) be wrong? Well, all things are possible and in general your analysis of just about every geopolitical situation over the years has been correct.

    I only disagree so vehemently on this since I have, so to speak, ” insider information” and from a Jewish person incidentally, who finally broke all ties with Zionism and that religion after the murder of Rachel Corrie and the subsequent pressure used by Jewish members of the Obama administration to cancel an off-Broadway production about her life and murder literally the day before it was set to open.

    I remain open-minded and if conclusive proof eventually emerges that this did originate from an Anerican biowar lab, i will freely admit my error.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  149. @jsinton

    Hey hey –how about Isshi Matsui —the Japanese war criminal from Unit 731 hauled over to set up things in Fort Detrick which is in the USA—they paid this war criminal for his research in biological weapons which USA promptly used in Korean War 1950-1953 and a few pilots dropping this cargo of infested pests were shot down —their explanation was that they had been told they were dropping food for peasants —–

    • Replies: @Zoom-copter2221
  150. @GomezAdddams

    That’s actually fascinating. I have spent the past few hours listening to an audiobook on “The Pheonix Project” by an author surnamed Valentine, which I would highly recommend. He has a somewhat similar book also available on YT called ” The CIA as Organized Crime.” To your knowledge, are there any books available detailing the American use of bio or chemical weapons in Korea? I seem to recall General Curtis Le May and later General MacArthur favored the use of nuclear weapons on North Korea.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  151. Ron Unz says:
    @Zoom-copter2221

    Could the “inside source” I had along with Biden himself (who, from all I have heard in private, is in early to mid onset of dementia) be wrong?

    I’m absolutely not challenging your claim that an “inside” intelligence source told that to the top Biden people, and I’m sure your source is 100% sincere. After all, Trump, Pompeo, and lots of the Republicans publicly said or strongly implied exactly the same thing, sometimes leaking some of their alleged intelligence information to leading publications like the WSJ. If they told the same thing to the WSJ, why wouldn’t they tell the Biden people?

    However, it seems very clear that all of that intelligence was just false or concocted, just like in the case of the Saddam’s WMDs in the Iraq War. Back then, intelligence sources leaked all the false info to top Democrats, Republicans, and MSM journalists.

    There’s actually ZERO evidence of a Wuhan lab-leak, and a great deal of evidence it never happened. My analysis is entirely focused on facts and timing issues. If you haven’t already done so, you really should read my very detailed analysis from a couple of months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    Frankly, the evidence of an American biowarfare attack is so strong, the whole debate is like something out of Monty Python.

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
  152. Ron Unz says:
    @Zoom-copter2221

    To your knowledge, are there any books available detailing the American use of bio or chemical weapons in Korea? I seem to recall General Curtis Le May and later General MacArthur favored the use of nuclear weapons on North Korea.

    Just read the long and detailed article I published a couple of months ago on exactly that subject:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-waging-biological-warfare/

    Aside from summarizing the material, I also reference five or six of the highly-regarded books I relied upon, so you can read them yourself if you’d like further information.

    As I emphasized, America has had the world’s largest and most advanced biowarfare project for the last half-century, and almost certainly used bioweapons in Korea. Moreover, there seem to have been quite a number of times when the American bioweapons being developed in the US got loose, with disastrous domestic consequences.

    I think all of this strongly supports my analysis that the Covid outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    • Thanks: Zoom-copter2221
  153. Belchazar says:
    @obwandiyag

    No the ball does not roll, it’s like saying “once the ball starts rolling up a hill it just keeps rolling” there is too much force in the steel below and gravity cant rip that up. It matters because its through suppressing the truth of things like this that we have a public that these evil people know are ready for another deeper and more dangerous lie. They know the public are now in their own habbit of deceiving themselves along with the suggestions of the media and the government.

  154. @Ron Unz

    Very much appreciate you taking the time to point me in the direction of those sources. Having worked for a big Japanese investment bank in Securities and Compliance aspects of the law and lived in Tokyo for a decent amount of time, I fully admit that I am predisposed to believe things that involve Chinese incompetence/carelessness, since I have both seen it and heard about it from Japanese colleagues so often.

    The more I think about it and consider how they have gloated about withholding information from Trump, why would they not withhold such information from Biden and his close advisers? This of course raises the frightening question of exactly who ” they” are and who is making the decisions that come out of Washington.

    This weekend I’m going to reread all your articles related to this topic and try to understand your reasoning behind such certainty that this was a bio attack sponsored by DC.

  155. @A123

    So business is booming for Chinese export. Nice. Too bad triggering inflation in the enemy’s economy by tightening export actually works, eh? The power outage looks more like an act economic war to me. Brilliant move.

    Oh no, I am definitely not a member of the elite. Heck, most people here, including our generous host Mister Unz himself, think I’m a Jewish troll.

    And no, China is more interested in striking the American soldier. With all kinds of nasty weapons. And they will cry out in joy as the enemy is blown to pieces.

  156. Whether or not you are a Jewish troll friend? I do not claim to know but I’ve been hearing from friends in China and Nippon that the Chinamen brought the blackout on themselves by attempting to “punish” Australia over the nuke-powered3red sub busuness by stopping all imports of coal from Australia.

    This–along with supposedly some misguided attempt to burnish ” gteen” credentials in front of the West by mothballing a bunch of coal-fired plants on an absolutely insane schedule has supposey led them into a situation where almost 1/3 of their power grid has been down at times over thr past month or so.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  157. @Ron Unz

    You know Ron, ever wonder–assuming ZOG is behind all of this– how much h of it is malice and how much might well just be sheer fucjing incompetence? I mean, just how many completely unqualified people can one stick into these positions with zero qualifications before the entire goddam thing starts breaking down???

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  158. Where is the isolation of the virus demonstrated?
    Where are control experiments to be found in the method sections of the literature?

    Does anyone even care about science anymore?
    Why all the laziness and unquestioning belief?

  159. Ron Unz says:
    @Zoom-copter2221

    I do not claim to know but I’ve been hearing from friends in China and Nippon that the Chinamen brought the blackout on themselves by attempting to “punish” Australia over the nuke-powered3red sub busuness by stopping all imports of coal from Australia.

    This–along with supposedly some misguided attempt to burnish ” gteen” credentials in front of the West by mothballing a bunch of coal-fired plants on an absolutely insane schedule has supposey led them into a situation where almost 1/3 of their power grid has been down at times over thr past month or so.

    I’ve heard somewhat similar things, but slightly different. Since China has become so much wealthier, there’s been growing opposition to the air pollution produced by burning coal, as well as the widespread local opposition to the unsightly consequences of mining it. Supposedly, those have been the biggest factors behind reducing coal production or consumption, though the PRC government mouths slogans about “Green energy” because that’s the current Western religion. Banning Australian coal imports would have been a contributing factor, though since coal is fairly fungible, the Chinese would just buy it from other countries instread.

  160. Ron Unz says:
    @Zoom-copter2221

    You know Ron, ever wonder–assuming ZOG is behind all of this– how much h of it is malice and how much might well just be sheer fucjing incompetence? I mean, just how many completely unqualified people can one stick into these positions with zero qualifications before the entire goddam thing starts breaking down???

    That’s the exact point I’ve been making from the beginning. The only argument people have made against my scenario is that “the Deep State Neocons couldn’t possibly have been so totally incompetent.” To which I say: “Really?”

    Here’s the outline of my speculative scenario:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#outline-of-the-hypothetical-biowarfare-attack-scenario

  161. @Ron Unz

    On other websites where I post against the Wuhan lab leak theory, I point out that the lab is 21 km away from the fish market where the first outbreaks occurred. Some reply that the Chinese would pretend that the outbreaks happened in the seafood market to hide their tracks – but that doesn’t gell with the actions of the Wuhan authorities in trying to downplay the virus to begin with. The whistle blowing doctor Li Wenliang reported the rise in cases close to the seafood market on WeChat. He was arrested. Unless the Chinese were playing a triple bluff here where they planted evidence that the virus originated at the seafood market and set up Dr Wenliang as a fall guy, that seems preposterous.

    Is it your theory that the rogue American actors targeted the market deliberately? Why wouldn’t they target the area around the lab?

  162. @Schuetze

    Actually I have had brief but thoughtful dialogues with Ron, both by email and in person, about vaccines. I explained to him that I am indeed an “anti-vaxxer,” in that my family has taken religious exemptions from all vaccinations since 1994. I told him that I researched the issue in the 1990s and concluded that the benefits of vaccines have been exaggerated and the risks concealed. (That seems to be happening in spades with the COVID vaccines, which have no evident public health benefits—more-vaccinated populations at nation and US county levels are doing slightly worse overall than less-vaccinated ones.) Ron responded reasonably, admitting he hasn’t researched the issue but will probably continue deferring to majority expert opinion for the time being.

    So I don’t think Ron insists that everyone agree with him. He is just sick of stupid/hysterical/off-topic comments.

  163. Sean says:
    @Eugene Norman

    The Chinese vetted and approved all the WHO team who investigated in Wuhan, and their report gave credence the idea promoted by the Chinese that it was frozen fish wrapping imported from Europe that caused the original Covid-19 outbreak. Peter Daszak the chief of EcoHealth Alliance says the Covid-19 pathogen was circulating in wild animals in China before the original human out break in Wuhan. The WHO report said a lab leak was extremely unlikely and there was no evidence for it. While not impossible frozen food and widespread pre existing existence of the virus in Chinese animals are hardly the most likely origins especially as the Wuhan outbreak seems to be the original one. The Wuhan branch of the Chinese CDC (which has done work on coronaviruses) had moved to 547 yards from the wet market where so many of the earliest cases seem to have been caught. It was on December 2, 2019, the CDC laboratory moved to that location. Fits.

    If you listened to the establishment MSM last year, the scientific balance of opinion was originally very much against the Wuhan lab leak hypothesis. After Trump lost the election, the MSM discovered or were suddenly less loath to admit, that scientists consider the lab leak theory unproven but credible.. there is no ‘trout in the milk’ quality incrimination of the Dazak linked Wuhan labs for making a mistake and causing the pandemic, but there is not inconsiderable evidence of a circumstantial nature. The worst thing that ever happened to the lab leak theory was Trump espousing it. Best thing that ever happened to Daszak

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  164. Wild Man says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How does the fact the I point out that the CCP’s refusal to release Dr. Shi’s sealed research data make me a racist?

    Drop the racist BS. It’s not helpful. It makes you look stupid too (but I already know you are not stupid … very far from that, it seems to me). I am sure there exists in this world racists against Chinese (because every cohort contains racists of various stripes … so what? ….. racist sentiments are well-represented within the overall Chinese cohort too). I am pretty sure I am not one though (a racist). But I have personally noted that contained within pretty much every nationalistic movement, are people that point out that diversity is not necessarily a strength (more like a challenge). And that is true as far as I can tell. Some such people that make these points seem to also harbor racist views. Look ….. I don’t get my sh*t-up-in-a-knot over such racist comments, because, what I have found, is that said people seem to be infinitely less navel-gazing, than the Leftist sheeple that they argue against. So just from an informational-integrity perspective, said racists are infinitely more grounded and rational, than these navel-gazing Leftists. It’s just that the racists have not uncovered for themselves (yet), that the cohort differences actually say more about human similarities, than human differences (i.e. – every group must maintain a dominant cultural perspective, to uphold the cohesion of the group, lest group is instead dissolved into some sort of submission to a foreign cultural theme, …. and this is true of every single human group, despite the ethnicity).

    I pretty much like and respect Chinese people (and pretty much every ethnicity). But I don’t gloss over subtle cohort differences. Every group has it’s own tendencies towards both strengths and weaknesses, … these smallish differences are the spices of humanity, to be enjoyed by all, as far as I can figure anyways. This enjoyment is not possible if there is not respect for these spicy differences. At least racists, are far enough along within their personal cognitive/emotional milieu, that they can appreciate there are indeed spicy differences. They just make too much of a big deal about said differences. But this is infinitely better, as far as weighing the possibility of obtaining a healthy culture, than these navel-gazing Leftists, whom cannot even grok there are any real cohort differences. The Leftists seem to be so lost, …. that they never will find their way ….. until they decide to drop being Leftist, which looks to be a pipe dream, to wish for that. We will need to drag them along, and then, after that is achieved, let them continue to navel-gaze (as per their innate proclivity) within the new cultural milieu. People harboring racist sentiments, truly, are far more likely to be your ally, mulga mumblebrain. Weird that – eh?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  165. @Wild Man

    Well Wild if I have falsely accused you of racism (ie race hatred and delusions of racial hierarchies, in my definition) I apologise. As nearly all commenters who push what I call the Murdochite version of SARS CoV2 origins are, in my opinion, hard Right race-haters, I must have mistaken you for one such.
    For me human diversity is a given. If you wish to call it ‘race’ or ‘culture’ that’s fine, but I believe that diversity must be MADE to be a strength, or else humanity will go on destroying itself in global civil wars. As you say, cultural similarities are far more potent than human differences, and, in my opinion, the great divisions are WITHIN groups, ie class and economic differences, and racism is, I believe, deliberately exacerbated as a Divide and Rule strategy by the global parasites. My definition of ‘racist’ as race hatred and/or contempt rather precludes friendly relations with such people. Perhaps ‘racially aware’ but humanly accepting types would suit my opinions. Thanks for your reply-I must insult you again in future. Feel free to return the detriment.

    • Thanks: Wild Man
  166. @Sean

    The far more likely lab leak hypothesis is of a leak in the NOTORIOUSLY leaky US biological research establishment, whence the virus traveled widely, before being spotted in Wuhan. How it got to Wuhan is the question-accidentally or deliberately as a US bio-warfare attack. The first large outbreak in Wuhan was at a hotel near the wet-market in question, the hotel where the US delegation to the World Military Games stayed. The US team that performed the worst ever for a US team, and which had trained for the Games near Fort Detrick.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Ron Unz
  167. @Eugene Norman

    Li Wenliang WAS NOT ‘arrested’. He was admonished by the police for spreading rumours, an action that the police posthumously apologised for. The first large cluster of disease in Wuhan was in the hotel where the US team for the World Military Games had stayed, 500 metres from said wet market.

  168. Sean says:

    COVID-19 almost certainly emerged out of a covert/deniable US bio-attack on China and Iran

    Iran has little ability to do anything against the US. With Iran their puny retaliation would be an excuse to further punish them or even start a war for regieme change. However China is a very different kettle of fish, and all the denials in the world would not fool China, especially when Wuhan is so far from that part of China where a novel coronavirus pandemic is at all likely to have arisen and begun naturally. The Chinese would know it was not natural and they were not responsible, therefore it was a bioweapon attack by the US. Who could imagine that the Chinese would wait to see what the next and presumable far more deadly “covert/deniable US bio-attack” America would hit China with would be like.

    I really do not think it has been taken on board that China is a superpower with a range of options for retaliating against America. Use of Kim’s north Korea as a proxy to tie up America in a conventional second Korean war is one very obvious way. China could also (contemporaneously with clandestinely backing a North Korean invasion) stage a massive build up as if it was going to invade Taiwan. The US leadership would then be facing a Cuba Crisis, but this time with the opponent holding all the cards. And the personages manning the Deep State would not be in their positions of influence for long. Whether the rest of the world was fooled into blaming China and their bats would be completely irrelevant. You cannot piss down the leg of a nuclear armed billion strong people and tell them its raining.

  169. Sean says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The first large outbreak in Wuhan was at a hotel near the wet-market in question, the hotel where the US delegation to the World Military Games stayed.

    Considering how human-human transmissible the covid pathogen was, why on earth would patient zero not cause a pandemic?

    The US team that performed the worst ever for a US team, and which had trained for the Games near Fort Detrick.

    So why did the global pandemic not start in Fort Detrick?

    How it got to Wuhan is the question-accidentally or deliberately as a US bio-warfare attack.

    Fort Detrick would have been the ground zero of the global pandemic had it been an accident at Fort Derick.

    A bioweapon attack on China a country that has ICBMs plus a multi million strong amy would have been done in southernmost China where the novel batty coronavirus SARS epidemic of 2002 had previously occurred.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  170. Ron Unz says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The first large outbreak in Wuhan was at a hotel near the wet-market in question, the hotel where the US delegation to the World Military Games stayed. The US team that performed the worst ever for a US team, and which had trained for the Games near Fort Detrick.

    Unfortunately, I think you probably just fell for an Internet hoax. From your description, your information probably came from this article, which was widely republished early in the Covid outbreak:

    https://alethonews.com/2020/03/22/wuhan-outbreak-china-demands-an-honest-accounting/

    I certainly saw it heavily promoted around then, but never cited it since I had no idea whether or not the claims were true. And here’s a very relevant comment of mine from earlier this year:

    I think a much more reliable account was recently produced by several mainstream Chinese journalists who visited Wuhan to investigate the early history of the Wuhan outbreak and published what they had found in a big Global Times article, which I’d linked in my analysis:

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1221102.shtml

    Their report didn’t mention anything about the Oriental Hotel hosting American servicemen or the staff getting infected with Covid, even though that’s exactly the sort of thing they were looking for, and which the PRC government has generally suggested.

    Therefore, I think all that “exciting” website material you quoted were probably just invented by some pro-China activist, just like anti-China activists are also always making up stories to support their position.

    On highly controversial topics, it’s always very risky to just assume that what you read on some website is factual rather than fictional.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/?showcomments#comment-4796240

    Obviously, the official Global Times is vastly more reliable than what some random person wrote on some Internet website somewhere.

    I’d strongly urge you to be much more cautious in believing what you read in the future since making false claims discredits your own position.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  171. @Ron Unz

    I certainly only saw that assertion once, and its subsequent absence I put down to the usual Orwellian censorship regime in the ‘Free World’. I am still convinced that SARS CoV2 is a man-made chimaera, and very much doubt the ‘Chinese incompetence’ meme, given the hideous record of lab leaks in US biological research establishments. And I am convinced of the utter malevolence of the US ruling elite, and their desire to use biological warfare against their enemies. So I may have been conned, but would not be surprised if such a narrative does not contain more than a few grains of truth. Caution is a dish, just desserts perhaps, best eaten at one’s leisure.

  172. @Sean

    As a racist, Sinophobe, troll, I do not expect any intelligence, and you never fail to oblige. Perhaps there was an outbreak near Fort Detrick. The outbreaks of mysterious respiratory diseases in Maryland, and the EVALI ‘vaping’ episode were perhaps not what the propaganda system says that they were. I believe that the US has not tested EVALI victims’ tissues for SARS CoV2 signs, and refuses to do so. So perhaps Fort Detrick, or Chapel Hill, was Ground Zero, but the MSM and trolls like you have covered up the evidence, preferring a racist effort to pin it on China as a casus belli, and a hate propaganda trope. Right down your sewer.

  173. Ron Unz says:
    @Eugene Norman

    The whistle blowing doctor Li Wenliang reported the rise in cases close to the seafood market on WeChat. He was arrested.

    You should stop paying attention to those stupid websites. As far as I know, Dr. Li was never “arrested.” He was just warned to stop spreading false and dangerous rumors, which is exactly what he had been doing.

    Is it your theory that the rogue American actors targeted the market deliberately? Why wouldn’t they target the area around the lab?

    None of the three theories—natural virus, Chinese lab-leak, or American bioweapon—have any clear explanation for why the seafood market was an early epicenter, so I just don’t know and don’t care to speculation. In all three cases, it’s possible that some early infected individual just happened to go there and it rapidly spread due to the density of human traffic. Under the bioweapon hypothesis, perhaps it was viewed as a good release point for that same reason.

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
  174. SBaker says:
    @Notsofast

    Some dozen countries had offensive bioweapons programs by the end of WWII. The US shut down their offensive program by order of President Nixon in about 1970. The defensive program at Ft Detrick continues to this day. Gain of function studies have been around for more than 2 decades–it is nothing new and China has been doing GOF studies for well over a decade. Don’t misinterpret, Fauci is a scumbag in way over his head. He is an HIV guy and may have helped spread it himself to young men and a few boys. Gain of function studies became very important after 2003 when SARS first came out of China, then MERS followed in the middle east around 2010–it too was an SARS-coronavirus just like 2003 SARS and the CCP virus today. I don’t see your “logical” conclusion, but I am a scientist and you stated you are not.

    • LOL: Notsofast
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  175. @Ron Unz

    You should stop paying attention to those stupid websites. As far as I know, Dr. Li was never “arrested

    .”

    Well it wasn’t any websites, It was generally reported by the MSM. But I stand corrected.

    I would argue that the outbreak at the seafood market rules out the Chinese lab theory, it leaves the other two as plausible.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  176. Sean says:

    I would argue that the outbreak at the seafood market rules out the Chinese lab theory

    On December 2, 2019, the Wuhan branch of the Chinese CDC, which has published work on coronaviruses, moved to 547 yards away from the seafood market. This is a fact that the World Health Organization investigative team saw fit to include in their official report on the origin of the pandemic, because such a move might easily compromise biosecurity.

  177. @Eugene Norman

    The Chinese are asking WHO to test frozen blood supplies in various countries donated before Wuhan. This would prove or disprove if Covid-19 existed before detection in Wuhan.

    But guess what, nobody is testing. Much better to blame it on China.

    • Agree: Iris
  178. @SBaker

    You’re calling it the ‘CCP virus’ shows what a lying, racist, Sinophobe shit you are. And the idea that the US only pursues ‘defense’ research (just as it has a Department of Defense)is so stupid that one is left wondering whether you are a disinformation or a credulous fool.

    • Agree: Notsofast
  179. @Notsofast

    Gain of function research is common and dangerous (eg the Dutch recreation of the Spanish flu). It’s a good idea because ignorance is probably more dangerous.

    You still need tight supervision as you do for all research on dangerous pathogens. When the CDC shut down a US military lab for poor security, that wasn’t a sign of overall US carelessness. It was a sign of a desirable further layer of control in the USA.

    When gain of function research is prevented in the USA, it will be contracted out to other countries. That’s legal and probably desirable. The USA can’t even prevent such research paid for by other countries.

    I can’t see why people shouldn’t be frightened by bat viruses. After the Hendra virus in Australia, I certainly was. Fortunately, it didn’t spread between humans even though it probably spread from bats to horses to humans. It had an emotional effect on a lot of Australians and that was quite sensible for a virus as bad as smallpox was for native Americans. [email protected]

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  180. Notsofast says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    gain of function research makes sense only from a biological weapons perspective, to claim that we’re trying to figure out mother nature’s next natural mutation is imo ridiculous, as we can’t figure out the next flu mutation and have create a new vaccine every year. this horseshit is just cover for our biological weapons programs that we claim don’t exist. when you have billionaire scum like gates and buffet along with non-medical doctor tedros adhanom prophesying a new and more deadly virus to come it makes one wonder if they don’t have some inside information on the subject.

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