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With Alan Scheflin, a forensic psychologist and law professor who’d written a book on MKULTRA, I laid out a circumstantial case linking (CIA mind control guru Jolly) West to Manson. Was it possible, I asked, that the Manson murders were an MKULTRA experiment gone wrong? ‘No,’ he said, ‘an MKULTRA experiment gone right.’” (CHAOS , p. 369)

I moved out of Southern California in the summer of 1969. I was ten years old, and my parents were fleeing decadence and depravity in favor of the more wholesome Midwest.

Before our move, a story had circulated about some local (Newport Beach) high schoolers who had “gone on an LSD trip” and gotten caught by police. As I understood it, the teenagers had “taken LSD” and started leaping from rooftop to rooftop, “tripping” all over the neighborhood and waking people up to the sound of thundering hoofbeats overhead. At the time I wondered whether LSD conferred a miraculous leaping or flying ability, since the houses in Lido Sands, though rather tightly clustered, were mostly spaced perhaps eight or ten feet apart, which seemed like a long way to jump.

I vaguely recall this “LSD-fueled teenage midnight horsemen of the apocalypse” story having something to do with my parents’ decision to move back to Wisconsin. Southern California circa 1969, a few years after the hippie movement had peaked and turned into a bad trip, didn’t seem like a good place to send your kids to high school. (Little did my parents know that the 60s would hit Wisconsin high schools ten years late, putting me and my siblings directly in the path of the psychedelic hurricane.)

Years later, as an “experienced” (in the Jimi Hendrix sense) subversive teenage wannabe intellectual, I would read about the Manson murders and notice how convenient they had been for the Establishment. From the moment Charlie Manson’s grinning, demonic face started leering from every front page and TV screen in America, the whole hippie-antiwar thing had seemed a whole lot scarier. I read the official version of the Manson myth, Vincent Bugliosi’s Helter Skelter, and thought: This is too crazy to be true. None of the Wisconsin hippies I know are even remotely like these characters. Maybe it’s something they add to the fluoride in the Southern California water.

By 1975 I had seen Mark Lane’s presentation of the Zapruder film and knew that America had experienced an unspeakably evil coup d’état in 1963. In 1979 I read John Marks’ The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control and discussed it with William S. Burroughs, who told me he had been aware of such activities for many years before they were publicly revealed by the Church and Rockefeller Commissions: “The thing about these secrets is they’re not all that secret.”

Well, maybe not, Bill. But if you had proclaimed in 1960 that the CIA’s most heavily funded program aimed at turning people into killer zombies, you would have gotten blank stares at best. Rumors whispered in bohemian demimondes, blown up into dystopian parody in books like Naked Lunch, are hardly threats to national security secrecy.

Looking back, it seems doubtful that America ever recovered from the bad trip of the 1960s. Indeed, one has to wonder whether potential recovery wasn’t intentionally forestalled. The Kennedy assassinations, along with the killings of Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, and so many others, were a national nightmare. So was the pointless carnage in Vietnam. The protest movement that rose up against the nightmare, seeking to awaken the nation and return it to sanity, collapsed into the drug-fueled promiscuity and bloody chaos whose avatar was none other than Charles Manson. Now, on the occasion of the fiftieth anniversary of the Manson murders, we must wonder whether Manson was also an avatar another kind of CHAOS: the CIA’s ultra-secret, ultra-illegal domestic counterinsurgency program.

That notion isn’t entirely new. In 1993, while researching my first book, A Guide to Mysterious San Francisco, I heard rumors that Manson was a CIA mind control slave. But since this was just hearsay, unsupported by citable sources, I left it out of the book, and consigned it to the relatively short list of major conspiracy theories that might actually not be true.


That list keeps getting shorter. Tom O’Neill’s CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties makes a convincing, thoroughly documented case that the official Vincent Bugliosi rendition of the Manson murders is as blatantly bogus as Bugliosi’s “Oswald acted alone” version of the JFK assassination. Though O’Neill doesn’t quite come right out and say so, his evidence suggests that CIA mind control maniac Louis Jolyon “Jolly” West and/or his acolytes brainwashed a psychopathic prisoner named Charles Manson, gave him a CIA get-out-of-jail-free card, set him up next door to Jolly’s safe house in the Haight-Ashbury hippie district of San Francisco, and taught him how to control human minds using drugs and hypnosis. The CIA’s Operation CHAOS, it may be plausibly surmised, first weaponized the Manson family for use against the Black Panthers, then finally turned Manson into the ultimate TV commercial against the antiwar counterculture. When Manson and one of his CIA handlers, Reeve Whitson, rearranged the Tate murders crime scene before anyone else got there, they were literally setting the stage for the upcoming theatrical production.

Tom O’Neill’s twenty years’ research definitively demonstrates that a massive cover-up of the truth about the Manson murders is no longer a hypothesis, it is established fact. Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies, as well as the courts and big media, have been effectively corrupted and muzzled. But the truth, or at least enough of it for us to get the picture, is tucked away in the documents they forgot to shred. Though the most important Manson-related documents have either “mysteriously disappeared” from various archives or are being stubbornly withheld for undisclosed reasons, O’Neill—an obsessively persistent journalistic gumshoe—managed to get his hands on enough of them, and to find and interview enough witnesses, to turn the conventional picture of the Manson family upside-down and inside-out.

The whole story, in its multilayered complexity of detail and documentation, is beautifully told in O’Neill’s book. Like many authors with mainstream publishers, O’Neill generally refrains from speculating about the big picture; instead, he lays out the hard facts and invites the reader to connect the dots. So let’s accept his invitation and consider the the CIA’s Operation Manson in historical perspective.

Political Demonization and the Creation and Maintenance of Public Myth

The Manson op was an exercise in demonization. Manson, an ordinary psychologically-disturbed small-time criminal with psychopathic tendencies, became, under the expert tutelage of Jolly West & Co., an avatar of the demonic second only to Hitler in the mass mediated popular imagination. Manson’s long hair and scraggly beard became an icon of pure evil, as Hitler’s mustache had before, and as Bin Laden’s beard would later. In literally demonizing Manson, Jolly and The Company (wasn’t that a ‘60s Bay Area band? No, you’re thinking of Big Brother) figuratively demonized the antiwar counterculture that was giving the Establishment fits.

By demonizing Manson, the CIA “skunked” the antiwar counterculture’s message of “peace, love, freedom” by associating it with an image of violence, hatred, and extreme authoritarianism. After all, the people behind such operations know that the best way to discredit a message is to put it in the mouth of an unpleasant spokesperson. That’s why criticism of the world’s worst crime syndicate, the international bankster cartel, has come to be associated with Hitler’s evil mustache. In like fashion, resistance to Zionism and other Western assaults on the Islamic world has come to be associated with Bin Laden’s big black beard. These associations didn’t just happen by accident. They were engineered.

Philip Zelikow, effectively the sole author of that work of fiction known as the 9/11 Commission Report (which he completed in chapter outline before the Commission even convened) is a history professor and self-styled expert in “the creation and maintenance of public myths.” Zelikow defines public myths as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community.” The public myths he is most interested in are those that most powerfully shape political perception and behavior; the first example he gives is the myth of the dastardly Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, which transformed America from an isolationist republic to an interventionist empire.

Anyone who has studied the alternative literature on such events as Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassinations, and 9/11 knows that any overwhelmingly powerful mythic event that changes public perceptions and, in so doing, changes history, ought to be greeted with profound suspicion and subjected to the most painstaking scrutiny. As Philip Zelikow wrote in a 1998 Foreign Affairs article, a catastrophic terror attack on America, such as the destruction of the World Trade Center, would be a “transforming event,” a “watershed event in American history” that would, “like Pearl Harbor…divide our past and future into a before and after.” The “after” would feature “draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force.” Zelikow’s 2001 false flag operation would achieve all that and more. It succeeded in demonizing opposition to Zionism and empire, and to tyranny in general, by associating resistance with the fearsome image of a scary looking guy sporting an easily-identifiable villain’s beard.

Indeed, bearded heavies like Bin Laden and Manson seem to come straight out of central casting. They remind us of neoconservative guru Leo Strauss’s advice to Machievellian operators: Make your operation like a B-grade Hollywood Western: slap a big white hat on the good guy and a big black hat on the bad guy. And if you don’t have a real enemy to play the villain’s role, invent one.

The official version of the Manson myth is told by its self-aggrandizing, profiteering hero, Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor who put the bad guy behind bars. In somewhat similar fashion, the official version of the 9/11 myth, ventriloquized by Zelikow, seems told by a sort of Greek chorus representing the heroic victims, the American people. But in both cases, the ostensibly heroic narrator is the real villain. In the case of 9/11, Zelikow must be suspected of involvement in writing the script for the 9/11 false flag operation itself, and then plagiarizing that script for his Report. And in the case of Bugliosi, it’s clear that he consciously crafted a big lie for the jury that he later adapted for his bestseller, committing numerous crimes, including subornation of perjury, in the process.

As for the villains, both Manson and Bin Laden were manufactured by the CIA. As O’Neill’s evidence suggests, Manson was Jolly West’s golem, taught by Jolly how to manufacture more golems…preferably 14-year-old female ones. Bin Laden, for his part, was created by the CIA and its Saudi assets as a front man for the CIA-Saudi war to expel the Russians from Afghanistan. Originally assigned the hero role for an audience of Muslims, Osama was later transferred to a different movie in which he played the villain for an audience of Americans.

Though the official Manson narrative demonizes hippies, O’Neill’s revisionist account shows that the worst decadence and depravity was located not at the corner of Haight and Ashbury, but in Hollywood and the entertainment industry; Los Angeles, as Faulkner famously said, is “the plastic asshole of the universe.” The movie and music business, O’Neill shows, was (and presumably remains) infested by gangsters, intelligence agency criminals, and an astonishing variety of perverted human vermin. (There is considerable overlap between those three categories.) The worst part is that these people, the scum of the earth, literally run the show. Real power and authority is invested not in elected officials and the courts, but in supermob gangsters and their intel agency partners in crime. The cops, courts, and media are terrified of such people, and basically do whatever they’re told.

The Manson murders and the JFK assassination, two nightmarish crimes, bookended “the 1960s”: that brief period from 1964 to 1969 that witnessed the meteoric rise and fall of youthful idealism, whose chief expressions were the civil rights and antiwar movements. Like 9/11, the JFK assassination divided time into a more innocent “before” of wholesome family sitcoms and a less innocent “after” of protests, violence, and social breakdown fueled by pills, especially of the psychedelic and birth control varieties. Between JFK and Manson, youthful idealism looked like it might win the day. After Manson, America entered a “whole new world” of extreme disillusionment.

The JFK and Manson murders aren’t just linked in the American mythic imagination; they also intersect by way of a certain already-mentioned CIA mind-control psychopath, Dr. Jolly West. O’Neill’s Chaos presents evidence that Jolly West brainwashed and rendered mad two key figures in the respective dramas, Charles Manson and Jack Rubenstein a.k.a. Ruby. We have already seen how West made a madman of Manson. As for Ruby, it seems he was very likely programmed to kill Lee Harvey Oswald, just as Sirhan Sirhan was later programmed to fire in the general direction of Robert Kennedy. And though there is no hard-and-fast documentation proving West mind-controlled Ruby, O’Neill does document West’s suspiciously quick and intense post-assassination interest in Ruby, which culminated in West getting a private audience with the gun-smuggling cop-bribing Mickey Cohen organization hit man. Prior to West’s closed-door no-witnesses one-on-one with Ruby, the latter had been perfectly sane, though puzzled about being accused of a crime he had no memory of committing. From the moment West stepped out the door of Ruby’s cell, Ruby was stark, raving nuts.

America has real enemies, people like Jolly West and his bosses, psychopathic vermin who have infested the highest echelons of power. In the wake of their murder of JFK, they understandably feared exposure. The biggest threat was coming from honest, idealistic, politically-engaged citizens, most of whom leaned toward the political left in general, and the civil rights and antiwar movements in particular. To neutralize that threat, they flooded the civil rights and antiwar communities with LSD and amphetamines (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs). After several years of this, they administered the coup de grace by immortalizing the iconic evil hippie, Charles Manson, in a mass mind-control operation that sounded the death knell of the 1960s and set the stage for the age of dystopian neoliberal authoritarianism that followed.

The takeaway is that our real enemies conceal themselves by fabricating ersatz enemies and elevating them to mythic, iconic status. Their controlled mainstream media summon us daily to engage in the obligatory Orwellian two minutes of hate. When will we wake up and learn to hate not the cartoon figure on the screen, but the psychopath behind the curtain?

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  1. Iris says:

    Thanks for this very interesting article, refreshingly different from the views usually found in Anglo-Saxon press. The 60’s were also a time of political idealism and collective aspirations, and this idealism was crushed with extreme state violence, leaving to the activists of the time death and self-destruction as the only option.
    It was the Cold War: a victory of collective aspirations would have sanctioned a victory of “socialist”, equality-driven ethical values over liberal, individualistic, materialistic ones. This could not be allowed.

    Some details of President Kennedy’s assassination ought to be clarified.
    The bogus “Oswald acted alone” story was indeed completely demolished by the wonderful forensics Professor Cyril Wecht, God bless him. He brilliantly annihilated the “Magic bullet” theory, proving without a doubt that at least two hitmen were involved.

    But Jack Ruby was not hypnotised to execute LHO: he confessed to his Rabbi that he “did it for the Jews“.
    After President Kennedy was killed, Ruby was seen accompanying Israeli journalists to the Dallas Police Department, and even posing as one of them. Later that night, he was also seen in a very angry and emotional state, watching a anti-Semitic neo-Nazi rally.

    On the morning after, Ruby coldly organised an alibi, a time-stamped money transfer that would allow him to plead non-premeditation. Then, following a signal from an accomplice in the DPD, he entered the basement car park and murdered Oswald on live TV. He never denied doing so.

    The murder of Oswald by Ruby had to be improvised. Oswald should have been killed much earlier, when the Dallas Police miraculously and inexplicably identified him within less than 30 minutes of the assassination. But LHO was smart and understood hat he had been set up, so he hid in a theatre to protect his life. He wasn’t meant to be caught alive.

    The initial plan was to have Oswald executed by officer Tippit, then Tippit executed by a hitman; only the latter part took place.

    Ruby was asked to execute Oswald as damage control, so Oswald wouldn’t talk, hence deflecting attention from the top perpetrator group who murdered JFK.
    Ruby’s real name was Rubinstein; in his own words, he “did it for the Jews“.

  2. Philip Zelikow wrote in a 1998 Foreign Affairs article, a catastrophic terror attack on America, such as the destruction of the World Trade Center, would be a “transforming event,” a “watershed event in American history” that would, “like Pearl Harbor…divide our past and future into a before and after.”

    That article is co-authored by John Deutch, the former CIA Director who, facing charges for “improper handing of classified information,” received an 11th hour pardon from Bill Clinton just before the latter vacated the oval office in January 2001. Among the material recovered from Deutch’s computers was a file labeled “Top Secret Codeword.”

    From William Safire’s “Inside the Bunker,” written two days after the 9/11 attacks, we read

    A threatening message received by the Secret Service was relayed to the agents with the president that ”Air Force One is next.” According to the high official, American code words were used showing a knowledge of procedures that made the threat credible. …

    That knowledge of code words and presidential whereabouts and possession of secret procedures indicates that the terrorists may have a mole in the White House — that, or informants in the Secret Service, F.B.I., F.A.A. or C.I.A. [emphasis mine]

    Both Zelikow and Deutch are de facto dual citizens of Israel and America.

    Need we say more?

  3. Sure, it’s possible that Ruby really “did it for the Jews” consciously and without being mind controlled; in which case Jolly West’s role would have been limited to feeding Ruby crazy pills in prison. After taking Dr. Jolly’s crazy pills, Ruby reportedly ranted endlessly about how the Jews were going to be rounded up and brutally executed. So maybe his Jolly-induced paranoid psychosis grew out of his real and perfectly sane fears that the Jewish mob and its Mossad friends were going to be blamed for the JFK hit, with unfortunate consequences for Jews in general.

    Many Jews seem to have similar fears about 9/11. My co-editor of 9/11 and American Empire v.2, Sandra Lubarsky, is one of the few who is brave enough to admit it. Read her extraordinary essay in that book:

    I’m curious about the evidence for and against the various narratives about Ruby’s motivation or lack thereof.

  4. I was never much of conspiracy theorist until Sandy Hook. From time to time, I would hear something about that school shooting having been a hoax. And that just struck me as ridiculous. Then for reasons I do not recall, I watched the Robbie Parker video. In fact, I watched it a number of times. That video is pretty hard to find these days on YouTube. All the Sandy Hook material, much of it so well done, is gone.

    Anyway, that was a while back. At this point, I’m willing to entertain most alternate/conspiracy explanations. Hard to imagine the vampires that rule over us have any lines they are unwilling to cross. I predict that at some future crisis, an especially thorny issue of population control will arise and they’ll bring out some CGI aliens to dazzle us.

  5. Kirt says:

    I read Chaos and I lived in LA throughout the Manson years and much longer. There was a lot of crazy stuff going on and yes the CIA was involved at least on the periphery of some of it. But Chaos just takes everything that was going on and seeks to connect it to CIA mind control experiments by means of Kevin Bacon conspiracy theorizing. (Everybody in the world is connected to Kevin Bacon by no more than 6 degrees of separation.) There was one CIA operative in LA at the time whom I briefly worked with (not knowing at the time of his affiliation) who had a connection with Oswald and who was propagating a specific theory of the Manson murders. He’s not mentioned in the book, but I guess he must have been in on the plot which means that I was, wittingly or not, which means that all my friends and associates, etc. etc.

    • Replies: @lloyd
    , @getaclue
    , @ChuckOrloski
  6. Iris says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Hello Mr Barrett;

    The JFK Assassination articles by Mr Unz and Guyenot are excellent and credible, but nobody else, apart from the late Michael Piper, dares directly and publicly pointing at Israel’s primary responsibility.
    It is known that brave New-Orleans prosecutor Jim Garrison verbally expressed the same belief before he died.

    Laurent Guyenot focused a lot on the personality and motivations of Jack Rubinstein, as a relevant and valid indicator of Israeli involvement. A lot more cues can be found when researching the various JFK truth websites.

    Here is Rubinstein’s rabbi reporting his confession that “he did it for the Jews“:

    There is at least two reasons why Dr Jolly might have given pills to Ruby:
    – Ruby was getting impatient in prison and had accused LBJ on camera, removing a layer of protection to the perpetrators; it was beneficial to make him become psychotic and paranoid.
    – Ruby died of an unpredictably fast-spreading “cancer” that affected several organs at the same time, just before his second trial. Such illness could have been easily provoked by radioactive material within the pills.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  7. lloyd says: • Website

    I read on Charles Manson’s blog, he was asked was he an agent for MK Ultra. He replied. “What is MK Ultra.?” Charley was sold into slavery by his mother as a small child. A family friend later that day or next day, bought him back. That was I think in 1939. In prison, he shared an apartment with Shira Shiran. He was never actually convicted of murder, only of conspiracy. He was an orator, a musician and an artist and his predictions of racial war and environmental catastrophe have turned out to be right.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    , @Loren
  8. @Just another serf

    When the worms get out of the can you can only put them back into a bigger can.

  9. @Kevin Barrett

    Jack Ruby did not kill Oswald “for the Jews.” He was the Mafia capo of Dallas and was following orders in Plan B when two previous attempts to kill Oswald failed. He tried to get out of it, but had no choice but to follow orders that he could not refuse.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Pindos
  10. SafeNow says:

    “I was never much of a conspiracy theorist until Sandy Hook.”

    Flight 800 did it for me. (For those not familiar, Ron Unz wrote an excellent essay on the preposterous, frightening coverup.)

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Paw
  11. It’s weird how we never get quality documentation for the most interesting reports.

    The report that Sebring was a coke dealer.

    The report that $Big_Name_Star (I have heard different names) pistol whipped a drug dealer in front of a glamor party of forty people at Mama Cass’s Laurel Canyon house.

    The report that Manson learned scientology mind manipulation techniques in prison before they let him out.

    The report that Polanski had a bunch of home made porn with multiple $Big_Name_Stars that was found at the murder scene.

    The first time I read Helter Skelter I thought it was factual. I was 13 years old at the time. By the 7th or 8th time I read it I was thinking it was more like a Philip K Dick novel. Obviously there is a market for the information. Helter Skelter sold 7 million copies according to google. You would think a mainstream investigator could make a bundle of money on a quality report. The true facts have got to be very embarrassing to some powerful and violent people.

    • Replies: @Loren
  12. Gordo says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    A young Jack Rubinstein was active in attacks against the Silver Shirts in the late 1930s.

  13. @Just another serf

    I do have some “local knowledge” about the Sandy Hook “events”.

    When word of a mass murder at the school reached the radio first responders in the heavily populated Fairfield County cities dropped whatever they were doing and rushed to their hospital heli-pads so they could be flown in to help save the wounded and fly them to local hospitals.

    When they arrived they were asked why they had come in when they had not been called. They were told they were not needed.

    It turns out there were no wounded to be “saved”.

    Many new “conspiracy theorists” were created that day.

  14. Swan.Knight says: • Website

    I have read much about the Manson family. I could find nothing on how he logistically and financially fed and supported his “family.”

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @Alden
  15. @milosevic

    McGowan’s Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon complements O’Neill’s book, and openly states what O’Neill mostly just implies: that Operation Chaos etc. injected drugs and mayhem into the 1960s youth movement to depoliticize it and “skunk” it in the eyes of mainstream America.

    • Agree: Iris
  16. @Swan.Knight

    Good point.

    According to various sources, they apparently were involved in (CIA-linked) drug dealing. And Jolly’s friends probably gave Charlie a cash allowance, though I haven’t seen any sources that confirm that.

    While living at the Spahn ranch in Death Valley they stole VW Beetles and converted them into dune buggies, among other acts of larceny, while the authorities studiously looked the other way. O’Neill’s book demonstrates that they must have had a high-level get-out-of-jail-free card—like so many other patsies in other false flag ops.

    • Replies: @Roninf5
  17. Even if Manson hadn’t been around, things would fallen apart.

    Many noted that Haight Asbury scene got ugly fast. Woodstock got ugly, Altamont uglier. Hells Angels were thugs. Black radicals were scum. Lennon went off the deep end. Brian Wilson did even earlier. There were 1000s of bombings.

  18. Junaid says: • Website

    Informative article
    Police dismissed rape charges from Brazilian footballer Neymar escaped criminal punishment .“Hope for the prosecutor”: all charges were dropped from Neymar

    Police dismissed rape charges from Brazilian footballer Neymar

    Brazilian footballer Neymar escaped criminal punishment in the case of charges of rape. In May, the model Nasila Trindade filed a statement with the police on the star “Paris Saint-Germain”, but the investigation revealed strange details that were not in favour of the alleged victim.

    The saga of the charges of Paris Saint-Germain striker Neymar of rape came to an end – the football player escaped punishment. According to the online portal Folha de Sao Paulo, law enforcement agencies removed from the start of the Brazilian national team all suspicions and did not press charges against him.

  19. Windhover says:

    ” Prior to West’s closed-door no-witnesses, one-on-one with Ruby, the latter had been perfectly sane, though puzzled about being accused of a crime he had no memory of committing. ”

    Review of the famous newspaper photo of Oswald’s killing reveals that the “shooter” has a bushy head of dark hair squashed under his hat.

    The mug-shot of Ruby (Dallas Poice 36398 11.24.63) shows a man with very thin hair, which is nicely trimmed.

    The photos are separated by a matter of minutes, ergo Oswald’s “shooter” is not Ruby. No wonder Ruby had “no memory” of a crime he did not commit.

    PS There is another photo of the event, taken 10 seconds earlier, by another news photographer. The “shooter’s” jacket is too long, suggesting that the suit was not purchased for him. — Ruby may have had a longer torso than his double.

  20. Roninf5 says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    “they must have had a high-level get-out-of-jail-free card—like so many other patsies in other false flag ops.”

    In any suspicious “conspiracy” event always look for blatant disregard for Standard Operating Procedures, as is 9/11 and Sandy Hook, and for the authorities to let the suspects to operate freely even when they are under direct surveillance or to let them go when they’ve been caught, as again with 9/11, the ’93 WTC bombing, or any event that involves Antifa.

  21. An interesting fact about the Manson family is how preternaturally beautiful they all were. A little like–actors.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Jeff Stryker
  22. @Priss Factor

    All deliberate falsification and agent provacateurism by the deep state done in order to delegitimize the anti-war anti-big business anti-government environmentalist movements. Can’t you read?

    • Replies: @Franz
  23. Iris says:

    The Kennedy assassination was professionally staged so as every time a layer of mystery was peeled out, another one was met.
    Colonel Fletcher Prouty’s made this conclusion in his letter to Attorney Jim Garrison. He even named Major General and CIA operative Edward Lansdale as the leader of the operation, stating that claimed Lansdale was in Dallas on the day of the assassination: “He was there like the orchestra leader, coordinating these things.”

    The assassination was staged, for instance, with many criminal characters deliberately gathered at Dallas, but only a small number taking part in the actual shooting. In this way, even the most intelligent people, who understood Oswald was only a decoy, were in that manner made to follow many red herrings.

    Similarly, insistence on the TSBD was purposely designed to divert attention from the real, main shooting location, which was from the Dal-Tex building.

    A correct approach of the Kennedy assassination requires to be selective and pick up the most relevant facts out of many false leads deceptively planted on purpose.
    Total control over the Dal-Tax Building by people with close ties to Israel is a fundamental indication of who organised the assassination.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  24. Alfred says:

    The whole idea that fuel exploded in the aircraft’s tanks is so outrageously ridiculous.

    Just think how many millions of flight legs there have been with similar aircraft without a single mishap.

    You can drop a lit match on aviation fuel and it will not catch fire.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  25. GINACIDE says:

    Exactly right. Our real enemies are this US government. They are enemies of all mankind, and we can’t purge them without the help of the outside world. The criminal psychopaths brainwashed by CIA are in charge, but they indoctrinate goons that are equally hostile and pernicious in the burgeoning internal security apparat they control. The lower-level DHS/FBI Stasi would need to be rehabilitated like child soldiers because they have an effective mental age of 12 or less. They are trained like whipped dogs to attack any unexpected word or thought. DHS perceives the population of this country as the ultimate threat, the way the IDF views goys. Uniformed low-level goons are CIA’s last, stupidest and most pig-ignorant line of defense.

  26. Iris says:

    Hello Curmudgeon;

    There is a large number of very honourable and intelligent researchers in the JFK Truth community, more than I can name. But none has come up with a near-complete narrative of what happened, may be because the assassination was organised as a “smoke-and-mirrors” professional intelligence operation, with accomplices at so many levels.

    An good introduction to the assassination is the 7-episodes video documentary series “The men who killed Kennedy“. It is very honest, accurate at 80%. It was produced in Europe, where President Kennedy was revered, but it revealed LBJ’s culpability as being so obvious that pressure was applied and the last episodes got withdrawn.

  27. @Iris

    Maybe we are asking the wrong questions. Maybe we should be asking if it happened at all!

    “A half-century of research has not produced a definite answer to the JFK assassination, nor has it brought anyone to justice, it is long overdue to question whether or not the assassination took place at all. And it’s reasonable to ask that question in a country that still insists it operates under the rule of law.”
    A look into the possibility of this perhaps being just another mind f*ck.

  28. Paul says:

    “I vaguely recall this “LSD-fueled teenage midnight horsemen of the apocalypse” story having something to do with my parents’ decision to move back to Wisconsin.”

    Madison? Milwaukee? 😉

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @KMOC
  29. Iris says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    I’m curious about the evidence for and against the various narratives about Ruby’s motivation or lack thereof.

    This is a summary of facts, from the Warren Commission (WC) report, linking Jack Rubinstein to Israeli parties in the hours leading to LHO’s execution.

    On the night of JFK’s assassination, Jack Ruby went to the Synagogue, and then came back to the Dallas Police Department accompanied with 2 ” reporters” to attend the Oswald midnight conference.

    “At 9:00 p.m. he (Ruby) telephoned Ralph Paul but was unable to persuade Paul to join him at synagogue services.” (WC Report, Pg 338)


    “From his apartment, Ruby drove to Temple Shearith Israel, arriving near the end of a 2-hour service which had begun at 8 p.m.” (WC Report, Pg 339)

    “Ruby is known to have made his way, by about 11:30 p.m., to the third floor of the Dallas Police Department.” (WC Report, Pg 339)

    ‘I saw Jack [Ruby] and two out-of-state reporters, whom I did not know, leave the elevator door and proceed toward those television cameras, to go around the corner where Captain Fritz’s office was. Jack walked between them. these two out-of-state reporters had big press cards pinned on their coats, great big red ones, I think they said “President Kennedy’s Visit to Dallas-Press”.

    “ Jack didn’t have one [badge], but the men on either side of him did, and they walked pretty rapidly from the elevator area past the policeman, and Jack was bent over like this-writing on a piece of paper, and talking to one of the reporters, and pointing to something on the piece of paper, he was kind of hunched over.” Newsman John Rutledge (WC Report Pg 340)

    Detective Augustus M. Eberhard, who also recalled that he first saw Ruby earlier in the evening, said Ruby carried a note pad and professed to be a translator for the Israeli press.(WC Report Pg. 342)

    The topic of who these two “reporters” were was never investigated.
    The only information about them can be found in Detective’s Eberhardt testimony:

    ” On November 22, 1963, Eberhardt was on duty from 3:00 p.m . to 11:00 p.m. On that day, which was the day the President was assassinated, he recalled seeing Jack Ruby in the hallway on the third floor [of the DPD] at about 6.00 or 7.00 p .m ., and asked him what he was doing there and Ruby told him that he had brought some sandwiches over and was acting as an interpreter for some Israeli reporters.
    Ruby was carrying a notebook and he thinks he had on some kind of a lapel badge such as reporters were wearing . He could not be sure about this but recalled that when he asked him what he was doing there, Ruby had pushed his lapel with his note book when he answered about acting as interpreter.

    Eberhardt said that he might be mistaken about this press card. He also remembered that Ruby said he had bought sandwiches and had remarked that he had brought nothing but “Kosher stuff”. ”

    When administered the lie detector test, Jack Ruby displayed increased anxiety when asked about his presence at the Dallas Police Department:
    “Did you go to the Dallas police station at any time on Friday November 22, 1963, before you went to the synagogue? I asked him about this question later when he responded “No,” and I noticed a physiological change. “(WC Pg 594).

    Was Jack Ruby worried to be asked a question about “the two reporters”?

    Incidentally, in her memoirs, Mrs Lea Rabin mentioned that Yitzhak Rabin was at Dallas “a few hours before the assassination”.
    Israeli journalist Barry Chamish believed that one these two “reporters” was Yitzhak Rabin.

  30. I’ve read that Polanski had known Manson; had some kind of contact with him prior to the murder of his beautiful wife. Right after the murder Polanski poses for a photo sitting next to his doorway which still has blood on it. What kind of guy would do that? He then proceeds to grope a young woman at the funeral and shortly after rapes a 13 yr old and escapes to Europe.

    Something not right with Polanski just like something was wrong with Manson, although Polanski is a much worse character perhaps.

    • Agree: Kevin Barrett
    • Replies: @Golobki
  31. @Paul

    Pewaukee, actually. I was in the first high school freshman class that was allowed to wear blue jeans to school.

  32. getaclue says:

    I’ve read several times over the years as to this that a member of the Sheriff’s Department I believe it was (the police with jurisdiction over where the Manson group was living) stated that they knew they were there and were going to go arrest them for various things, before the murders, only to be told by “above” to lay off them…it seems there were other plans for them….

  33. @Iris

    Oswald only learned he was the patsy at the Friday night midnight news conference when the reporters asked him if he knew why he was held. Oswald said “for hitting a cop.” No, they told him, you are charged with the assassination. Until then he thought his job was to misdirect attention to the Book Depository from the other three shooting locations. (You could not shoot the motorcade from the Depository sixth floor towards that spot because the trees prevent it; plus you would be shooting down at a car moving horizontally at almost a right angle. In the sixth floor “museum” you are not allowed up to the window because any fool could then see it was impossible.) This is in “Farewell America” written by French Intelligence at DeGaulle’s orders to help Robert Kennedy be elected president. Except that Robert Kennedy died under “mysterious circumstances,” shot in the back of his head by a newly hired security man, who has since retired to the Philippines. (The LA autopsy said Robert Kennedy was shot in the back of his head at close range, ie several inches.) In the news film of the midnight News Conference Oswald tries to conceal his surprise when he is told that he is charged with the assassination but you can see his eyebrows jump. The next day, Saturday, he yelled when being moved, “I am a patsy.”


    Until then he was following orders which were: to carry a package to work which looked like a gun (but which could later be shown to be curtain rods, or so Oswald thought; he did not have the Carcano rifle nor the revolver he was to receive at the last minute; these were thoughtfully ordered in his name by the Hidden Hand). His orders were to make sure he was seen in the lunch room at the time of the motorcade in order to have an alibi for himself (his surviving co-workers were later guided to NOT say who was in the lunch room with them at the time if they wanted to keep on surviving). Oswald, knew that there was to be an incident, perhaps shots fired harmlessly in the air to create a false flag attack in order to have a decent excuse to invade Cuba. But he did not seem to know that there was really to be an assassination, just a harmless false flag pretext to invade a foreign country. Happens all the time these days. That level of knowledge is not given to a low level employee, although many other low level employees guessed. Then his instructions were to go to his rooming house, be picked up by bogus police men in a bogus police car and driven to the back of the movie theater (so no one would see him on the street). There was then, but not now, a side passageway from the street in back of the theater to the front of the theater. This has long since been closed off as if it never existed. In the theater he was to make contact with someone but he did know who. He was to determine that on his own. It turned out that his contact was “a pregnant woman.” He did find his contact, after several trips to buy more popcorn. “She” gave him a handgun, and left. He did as he was told. But our government intelligence agency plan was to kill him on the bus on the way from the Book Depository to his rooming house, minutes after the assassination, giving cover to the actual killers to get away easily. (The Book Depository had long been used to ship arms and other materials to various places.) However, Oswald got off of the bus prematurely because it was stuck in traffic, and took a cab instead. On the bus was a woman who would have identified him as a dangerous foreign language speaking subversive. (She testified at the Warren hearings.) Captain Westbrook of the DPD and police men got on the bus with guns drawn ready to shoot the person who had just killed Kennedy, but Oswald was gone. He had got off and taken a cab in order to not be late for his appointed rendezvous with the bogus police chauffers at the rooming house, and then at the Texas theater. Captain Westbrook, having gotten on the bus in central Dallas at 12:45-50 (the assassination was 12:30) with several loyal policemen with drawn guns found that Oswald had fled the coop on his own initiative, to be on time. So Oswald missed his first rendez vous with his own death that day. Then Captain Westbrook showed up at the Tippit murder scene at 1:20 (Tippet, shot at 1:08, had already been taken to the hospital at 1: 15 and pronounced dead from automatic pistol wounds, and a final shot to the back of the head.) Captain Westbrook had “Oswald’s Wallet” in his hand and showed it to an FBI man who was NOT in on the plan, asking him “do you know who this is?” The FBI man reported this piece of information years later to a news reporter. (Notice how passports and and ID’s of “hijackers” were found at the site of three plane crashes on 9/11 but nothing else; no wheels, no fuselages, no engines, no passengers, no luggage, no black boxes.)

    According to eyewitnesses, two men shot Tippit at 1:08. At that time, Oswald was already in the movie theater, said the usher. (He was at the rooming house minutes before 1 pm according to the cleaning lady who was watching the news on TV.) According to a number of eye witnesses, two men, not one, shot Tippit with automatic pistols. (Remember, Oswald was found with a revolver, not an automatic.) One killer got in a car and drove away, the other, an Oswald double, ran to the movie theater and went upstairs to the balcony. Having failed to shoot Oswald on the bus, he was supposed to be shot in the theater. A shoe salesman saw the double go past his shoe shop, went out, looked down the street, and demanded that the girl selling tickets at the movie theater call the cops because a fare beater entered the theater, without paying the fifty or so cents. The “shoe salesman” is still proud of his heroic role in the matter and has appeared on Texas TV, a local hero. In response to the call that someone entered the movie theater without paying, thirty or so cops arrived, some FBI men, the DA…. and… an official photographer. A policeman grabbed Oswald’s “own” gun (the one the “pregnant woman” had given him) and pulled the trigger. The gun did not fire because the firing pin was bent so Oswald could not hurt anyone. That snafu confused the cops and so, instead of killing him on the spot, as police normally do to fare beaters, they arrested him, and had, in the car, a wallet with two pieces of ID (with different names, since Oswald was himself an operative) for Oswald ready.

    Oswald was photographed in his seat at the theater, and then photographed being taken out the FRONT of the Texas theater. Captain Westbrook, in the meantime, escorted the Oswald double out the BACK of the movie theater. No one photographed that, but there were witnesses. The double, one of two loyal operatives who had shot Tippet, was then taken, along with a Cuban operative, by an unmarked plane, to a military base in New Mexico. This was described, forty years later, by the other passenger, a soldier who, by chance, and error, was a lone passenger in that bogus unmarked MATS plane from Andrews Air Force Base in the book “Flight from Dallas.” He was hitching a ride to Colorado, and saw what he was not supposed to see. Only on the news later did he remark how one of the mystery men picked up from a highway/airstrip in Dallas looked so much like that Oswald guy.

    The plane picked up the pair north of Dallas at a former airstrip which was being demolished to build a highway. Westbrook then lost the list of names of the twenty people who were in the movie theater, took early retirement and went to work for the secret police of South Viet Nam.
    Having failed to kill Oswald in two attempts, it was left to poor Jack Ruby, the hard working Mafia boss of Dallas, to kill Oswald, one of his own gay boyfriends. Ruby tried to get out of it, called his friends the cops and told one of them “don’t move him” to no avail. And Ruby dithered. Only when Ruby finally arrived at the police station, late, did a loyal semper fi cop blow the pre-arranged car horn signal to tell the others that everything was in place and Oswald could be brought out to be transferred. Read “Crossfire” by Marrs

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Paul Jolliffe
  34. @milosevic

    McGowan’s book is the one I read first, and it made much more sense to me. Dave had a way of highlighting the most telling points and threading them into a nice, linear construct. “Weird Scenes” is one of those books that you’ll want to revisit from time to time.

  35. Franz says:

    Can’t you read?

    I’d cut some slack here.

    David Horowitz is one of the bull goose neocons that’s helping the ZIA along. Might be that some people are unaware of that.

  36. Paw says:

    Mr. UNZ will never be appreciated enough for his hard and excellent job . He deserves help And admiration. Ours, as he works for us..And that is why I now
    believe ,there is a hope ,that everything will be found and told.
    Even when and why the US administration sprayed San Francisco population with some liquid …In 1950.. /LSD, amphetamines other drugs, whatever/?
    Ruby wanted desperately and many times begged to be transferred to Washington.
    He shouted that he killed Oswald for the wife od K….I never could accept it.
    Yes ,Lennon was part of that activities as he went crazy ,crazier..
    Key I believe is two persons involved in Kennedy dead. Tippit ,who ‘s task was to transport Oswald elsewhere/ never explained/and we never learn further intentions , and was surprised , while Ruby’s appearance and attack on Oswald but only after while , he received an order…
    We see picture as Oswald is lead towards a car one of policeman lost his nerves and ran towards the car a bit far away and opened the door and stood there , to be out of area of shooting..They knew..

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  37. Tsigantes says:

    You can drop a lit match on aviation fuel and it will not catch fire.

    Think what that means for the twin towers…..

  38. Old fogey says:

    Thank you for the reference to Dave McGowan’s work. He is missed.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  39. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    In the 60`s started the age of Television , and it took place a very well organized , sophisticated and succesful , attack against what was left of western civilization , of Christianity , ( after the french and russian revolutions , after the two great civil european wars ww1 & ww2 ) .

    The points of the attack were : The Vatican II Council , the french May 68 , and the US revolution of civil rights and drugs epidemy . Since the 60`s order decreased and anarchy increased .

  40. “Anyone who has studied the alternative literature on such events as Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassinations, and 9/11 knows that any overwhelmingly powerful mythic event that changes public perceptions and, in so doing, changes history, ought to be greeted with profound suspicion and subjected to the most painstaking scrutiny.”

    Necessary to add several items to that list:
    – MLK
    – RFK
    – moon hoax
    – Irak’s WMD (debunked)
    – etc.

  41. mog says:

    Also worth reading (if you haven’t) are Peter Levenda’s works on political witchcraft titled ‘Sinister Forces’. The trilogy is kind of bookended by consideration of the Manson murders, but branches out in many directions – particularly the connections between occult groups, significant individuals and political power.

    Levenda shies away from serious consideration of Jewish power or zionism as an organising principle within the dark state, but there is a lot of research in there none the less.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  42. HoekomSA says:

    There is a video of the bodyguard who was supposed to stand at the back of JFK’s car being called away when the car was about to start. It is normal practice to have a bodyguard there and the bodyguard showed his increduality at his boss for doing it. What it means is that members of the secrtet service were in on the assasination.

    At the time the CIA had created weapons to give people heart attacks and cancer. if they had simply wanted to kill kenedy these would have been easily used to do it secretly.

    So the kennedy assasination was more than just about killing him but also the reveal their power and peoples paralysis as, the elite also allow the conspiacy theories to grow, but dont allow anythng to be done about cpturing the killers.

    Soat a higher level, It was a mind control operation to create paralysis and cynicism.

  43. @Paw

    Mr. Unz. … works for us.

    I wouldn’t be so sure of that…

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  44. gotmituns says:

    That moron, charlie manson did say something very true. He said, “It used to mean something to be crazy, now everybody’s crazy.” That’s about right for our time.

  45. Amerikan says:

    Interesting article. Nothing really surprises me anymore. I had a moment I’ll never forget, some fifteen to twenty years ago, watching the nightly news on one of the big three networks when the anchor calmly announced that it was revealed the US government had been deliberately disseminating radioactive particles in the air over two American cities in a project aimed at studying the effects of radioactivity on American citizens. Say what???

    I waited for the media/political explosion that was sure to follow this incredible news, but…nothing happened.

    After the internet came along I made endless searches on the subject and to this day absolutely nothing has come up.

  46. Amanda says:

    I actually think the Manson murders were fake and that the whole thing was a psyop.

    Though I don’t always agree with Miles Mathis, he has actually done some very interesting work on the supposed Manson murders.

    “The Tate Murders were a False Flag and the Greatest Unknown Success Story of Project CHAOS” by Miles Mathis

    Peter Klein, who did excellent work exposing Sandy Hook, was impressed with the research of Miles Mathis on the supposed Manson murders and made a documentary about it:

    “The Tate Murders- the Monsters Dupe Us Again”

    In hist report, Mathis suggests that Sharon Tate was not killed and in fact continued to live in the persona of her sister Patti. He notes that Sharon had a strange defect in her ear lobe and how this same defect can be seen on her supposed “sister” who is in this video and tries to hide her left ear from the camera (Mathis writes about the ear defect on page 68 here

    The Manson murders psyop reminds me of Dave McGowan’s work on Laurel Canyon.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • LOL: Alden
  47. Dr. Dann says: • Website

    “The takeaway is that our real enemies conceal themselves by fabricating ersatz enemies and elevating them to mythic, iconic status.” Thus the easy con that Hilary Clinton, John Brennan, and their cronies pulled with Russiagate. Manson, Bin Laden, and the other central casting created villains are punctuation marks in a sustained demonization narrative designed to pre-empt Russia’s destined role in shepherding humanity toward a Sophianic future.

    Thanks Kevin for this review; for the personal reflections (jeans at Pewaukee High? My my!!!); and for all your brave work.

  48. Iris says:
    @Priss Factor

    Black radicals were scum.

    And how so?

    White European progressives have a very different view of the 1960’s Black Panthers movement; they are remembered for their fight against poverty and social destitution, neither as “scum”, nor as anti-White.

    To illustrate the profound truths highlighted in this article, one should remember the state-sponsored assassination of Black Panthers representatives under Hoover’s Cointelpro program. To mention a few, Fred Hampton and Geronimo Pratt were coldly executed Israeli-style, in front of their families.

    African Americans descent into drugs and crime was planned and has profound roots in the state-sponsored violence exerted upon them, of which the White American population is now equally victim.

  49. Speaking of MKUltra, John Lennon was an influential anti-war activist, someone that people who start wars for a business don’t like. His killer, Mark David Chapman, was already unhinged or psychotic, and certainly vulnerable to manipulation, but with the funds to do a lot of travelling. Charles McGowan who had been pastor of “Chapman’s church in Decatur, Georgia,” (although at the time Chapman was “from Hawaii”) visited Chapman and said: “I believe there was a demonic power at work.”

  50. Charlie Manson did manage to kill that filthy bagel-burning whore. If only he managed to kill that equally filthy Roman Polanski pedophile rapist, then it would have made up for all that other kooky helter skelter stuff he was in to.

    PS: I liked his songs.
    RIP you crazy weirdo.

  51. Genius.

    That’s why criticism of the world’s worst crime syndicate, the international bankster cartel, has come to be associated with Hitler’s evil mustache. In like fashion, resistance to Zionism and other Western assaults on the Islamic world has come to be associated with Bin Laden’s big black beard. These associations didn’t just happen by accident. They were engineered.

    Pure genius.

    However, would it not be appropriate to put the word, “evil” in scare quotes?

    • Replies: @anon
  52. @Iris

    African Americans descent into drugs and crime was planned and has profound roots in the state-sponsored violence exerted upon them, of which the White American population is now equally victim.


    Another good comment, Iris! I guess Priss Factor missed a significant point of the article, i.e., non-white skin has been demonized along with beards and mustaches, and the rubes fall for it every time. I’d like to point out that “Jolly” and Chucky and their bosses and financiers were not exactly deep ebony.

    “…the [media] companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons …[they] recieved funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons.

    Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice.”

    The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation

    Here’s another reason to detest the garbage known as pop “culture.”:

    “… truth is, most rappers are broke; owing more money to their record labels than they have in their bank accounts. As a matter of fact, most contracts for rappers are just as horrible as those for entertainers in other genres where artists sell millions and receive pennies while the record companies make out like fat rats. Who are the owners of these major record companies? Forgive me if I sound monotonous, but they just happen to be Jewish.

    • Agree: Iris, Agent76
  53. Another WTF in the supposed Kennedy assassination story. For some reason almost everyone is able to see through the Sandy Hoax shooting and realize no one died, but very few will ever question the legitimacy of the JFK assassination. It’s time to start asking was it done instead of “who done it”.
    (Notice the lack of blood in the Kennedy limo)

    • Replies: @anon
    , @dimples
  54. By demonizing Manson, the CIA “skunked” the antiwar counterculture’s message of “peace, love, freedom” by associating it with an image of violence, hatred, and extreme authoritarianism.

    Those tactics have been used so consistently that they should be obvious to everyone by now. Hitler, Stalin, the Catholic Church, black folks, Arabs, etc., etc. Meanwhile nary a whisper about the real perps.

    Thanks for making this plain.:

    America has real enemies, people like Jolly West and his bosses, psychopathic vermin who have infested the highest echelons of power.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  55. The Garlic Festival Shooting’s, the latest in the long line of “hoaxes”. If you fall for this hoax, you are beyond hope.

  56. @Kevin Barrett

    Many Jews seem to have similar fears about 9/11.

    Many Jews who opposed Zionism expressed similar misgivings as well, and for good reason.

    … here are some prophetic excerpts from two essays of Hannah Arendt’s, collected in The Jewish Writings (2007). Please note her predictions of the Nakba, of unending conflict, of Zionist dependence on the American Jewish community, of ultimate conflict with that American Jewish community, and the contribution of political Zionism to world anti-semitism. Just what Howard Gutman said recently. For which he was denounced by– Zionists.

    – See more at:

  57. @Jacques Sheete

    Charles Manson did not go downhill until his deal with the Beach Boys went South. People forget how close to becoming a musical star Charles Manson became.

    Dennis Wilson paid him for Cease To Resist and put it on an album.

    But he and Melcher refused to pay him royalties…afterwards Manson spiraled downhill.

    His decision to kill was based upon his problem with Terry Melcher.

    How could the CIA have known that?

  58. @lloyd

    He was never actually convicted of murder, only of conspiracy.

    Not true. Manson was convicted of seven counts of first degree murder and one count of conspiracy in the Tate-LaBianca killings.

    Mason was also convicted of two counts of first degree murder in the slayings of Gary Hinman and Donald “Shorty” Shea.

  59. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Parkland Hospital

    In a rare lucid moment, Nikolas Cruz’s Jewish mother was heard to say, “if there’s only been gun control JFK would still be alive.”

    • Replies: @Old_One_Number_2
  60. The transformation of America can be traced to the zionists and zionism and from this base the US has been transformed into something demonic , diabolical, draconian and all of this can be traced to the template of the zionists, The Protocols of Zion, the zionists have destroyed America, their mission is accomplished!

    Zionism is a cult of death and destruction , where ever it goes, death and destruction follow!

  61. @Iris

    Very insightful contributions to this topic and understanding of the era, Iris; mille grazie.

    • Replies: @Iris
  62. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    However, would it not be appropriate to put the word, “evil” in scare quotes?


  63. Sparky says:

    I agree with you Amanda. Miles’ Tate paper is a masterpiece of logic and analysis. Everyone should read it themselves and decide.
    Slightly OT, there are elements of the recent carabinieri slaying in Italy that look like this type of bs.
    -changing story
    -over-the-top violence from seemingly normal kids
    -problems with supporting photos in the narrative
    -national trauma
    I’m waiting to see if this is used to introduce knife legislation in Italy. Next would be an epidemic of knife crime like in Britain.

  64. Mike P says:
    @ploni almoni

    This version of events ties up a lot of loose ends.

  65. Wally says: • Website
    @Kevin Barrett

    You wrote:

    “Anyone who has studied the alternative literature on such events as Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassinations, and 9/11 knows that any overwhelmingly powerful mythic event that changes public perceptions and, in so doing, changes history, ought to be greeted with profound suspicion and subjected to the most painstaking scrutiny.”

    Yet curiously you left out the most “powerful mythic event” of all time, the fake “holocaust”.


  66. @Wally

    I plead guilty. I am a Holocaust Overlooker.

    • Replies: @Wally
  67. schrub says:

    A great local interview (Mill Valley, California) for Mr. Unz to arrange would be one with legendary comedian Mort Sahl who is still alive at 90+ years old. He still has all his mental faculties and is still as clever as hell (though a little frail). Sahl was a friend of JFK and wrote material for him.

    Sahl was intimately connected with the investigation of the assassination conducted by Jim Garrison. He worked with Garrison on this investigation for several years and was blacklisted by Hollywood as a result.

    He can probably be contacted through the Throckmorton Theatre in Mill Valley.

    For those younger people who are unfamiliar with Sahl:

  68. @HoekomSA

    So at a higher level, It was a mind control operation to create paralysis and cynicism.

    It was also an “event”–professional hit men for hire and intelligence operatives understood it was a great honor to be invited to Dallas (as part of logistics, decoys or hitters) that day–a reward for years of faithful service.


  69. onebornfree says: • Website

    Kevin Barret says: “America has real enemies ………..psychopathic vermin who have infested the highest echelons of power.”

    The question is: why would you ever expect that to not to be the case?

    It seems to me that it’s more than a little naive to not expect that to happen, at least for any intelligent, awake individual over the age of 35, say, especially given the size of the US government, even back in 1969.

    Reality Fact: Via governments, societies create the ” highest echelons of power” . Its guaranteed, automatic, unavoidable.

    Reality Fact: If you want governments in the first place, then “highest echelons of power” are an inevitable consequence!

    Barring a complete dissolution of the US federal government [my preference] the only partial [i.e not perfect] solution to the “highest echelons of power” problem might [possibly] be a properly constrained government.

    The US constitution and Bill of Rights was supposedly an attempt to drastically limit the powers of the federal government [and therefor of those” highest echelons of power”].

    Reality Fact: If that attempt was in fact genuine, and not another plot/scam, then it must be at least admitted that the attempt quickly failed, so if one dreams of a return to a much, much smaller, “constitutionally limited” federal government [” by hook or by crook” 🙂 ], stronger chains than those supposedly originally designed to prevent the growth of government and the creation of ” highest echelons of power” you mention from completely taking over would obviously be needed.

    Regards, onebornfree

  70. Igor says:

    Re: “Just to be clear, I’m not going to commit myself to the idea that this is going to be as huge as Rotherham was. We should be careful: we don’t know what would or wouldn’t be confirmed with a proper investigation. The question here is not whether we’ve gotten to the bottom of this online. The question is whether there is enough here to justify thinking there should be a proper investigation.”

    Typical Anglo-Saxon pussyfooting and cowardice.

    One great problem is that capital punishment has been abolished. If the Pakistanis had been hanged or put against the wall and shot. You would see a rapid fall in such crimes. But the West has become too stupid, too soft, too idiotically sentimentalist.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @anon
  71. Alden says:

    There is no Anglo Saxon press in America. It’s 2019, not 1819.

  72. @Igor


    Charles Manson himself begged not be released in 1967.

    “I was just happy to play my guitar in the yard,” he would later say.

  73. KMOC says:

    Haw haw. My parents moved from Wisconsin to Costa Mesa (Newport Mesa) after a few years in Whittier, in 1959. I could have been one of those degenerate kids although I don’t remember any roof jumping. I was 13 when JFK was killed. Can’t say if it was before or after, the event was concurrent with becoming ex-catholic. I began my teens profoundly disillusioned. Drugs, music, hippies, protests, riots, terror ensued. MLK was killed on my 18th birthday. I remember the whole crazy story and even back then the Bugliosi dog and pony show impressed me as being nonsense. When he wrote his JFK book I knew.

    Modern history is written in Virginia before it happens.

    • Replies: @Paul
  74. Alden says:

    Auto theft, shoplifting dumpster diving of supermarket dumpsters for food ( supermarket dumpsters were accessible then) drugs drug sales hustling and grifting food stamps begging prostitution free rent and utilities in Spahn ranch welfare unemployment.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  75. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    what are you talking about? what’s the source of the first graph?

  76. @Iris

    Prove any or all of what you posited. There is not ONE SHRED of evidence that sticks or is provable, by any conventional definition of the word. Sure, it all sounds reasonable, but none of it has been proven in what, 56 years. All you KNOW is what you believe.

    For all intents and purposes, as decidedly inconceivable as it is, Oswald acted alone.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @Durruti
    , @Iris
  77. Alden says:

    They were young White women late teens early 20s. Young men and women were much thinner then. Regular features slim figure long hair all young White N European women are pretty.

    Ever been to Ireland or Germany? I thought I was unusually pretty. Then I saw whole nations of pretty young women.

    Long hair, normal slim figure regular features all young White women are pretty.

    It’s just that most young men and women today are fat too many young women wear dowdy black pants and T shirts instead of pretty dresses

    Plus, there’s a lot more ugly Arabs Mexicans etc around now. So a European White girl with regular features instead of a big nose and bull dog jaw seems very very pretty.
    The Manson girls were also prostitutes and White prostitutes are decent looking

    Ah, the good old days, when all women were pretty, all men handsome, everyone slim, wages were high and the cost of living low.

  78. How do you know that Oswald acted alone?

  79. @SternVerbs

    Oswald acted alone.

    Do co-conspirator death-bed confessions count as “evidence”?

    How about people who knew Oswald up close and personal:

  80. Future of white womanhood.

    • Replies: @Loren
  81. @HoekomSA

    operation to create paralysis and cynicism.

    Kaczynski in book Technological Slavery has lengthy speculations on this subject. He opines that Seligman’s Learned Helplessness Theory is fundamental to governing in the modern age. Traumatize the population and make them docile. His main example is the bloody footage that was on the nightly news from Vietnam Monday through Friday at dinner time. And asks if that might not have been the number one motivation for the whole colossal stupidity.

    Also see Michael Hoffman’s bits regarding Revelation of the Method.

  82. @Kirt

    Hey Kurt!

    Yes, “lots of crazy stuff going on…, but one is especially obscured.

    Fyi, in Vincent Bugliosi’s book “Helter Skelter,” and in a very brief paragraph, he noted how members of a British satanic cult called “The Process” visited imprisoned Charles Manson during his murder trial.

    Am curious to know if author, Kevin Barrett, recalls “Bug” having included that strange visitation. 🤔

    Of course, no followup from the MSM of that time, but there are really excellent books available that illustrate Manson’s satanic proclivities.

    Thank you, Kirt.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  83. Wally says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Do you believe in the “holocaust” narrative?

  84. Durruti says:

    There is not ONE SHRED of evidence

    Read Mark Lane’s Rush to Judgement 17 weeks on NYT’s best seller list (2 million copies of paperback edition sold, many more in hardcover).

    Lane was a Veteran, Atty, and NY State Assemblyman.

    Purpose of Lane’s book was to begin a -point by point- Critique/examination of the Government’s official version of the assassination of JFK, The Warren Commission Report

    You appear to be a Government Gadfly of some sort “not ONE SHRED” hmmm! Even those who prepared the Warren Commission Report admitted to Shreds. One SHRED was the path of the bullet through JFKs body. The doctors who examined JFK unanimously declared one direction, and the Commission report disregarded the doctors and insisted on the opposite direction.

    The Warren Commission Report is quite lengthy. Have fun!

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Alden
  85. @ploni almoni



    I doubt the Tippit 2nd floor lunchroom encounter ever happened – it was invented later to cover the fact that “Oswald” was on the first floor, very near the front entrance at the time of the shots, and WAS SEEN and ACCOSTED THERE by the authorities within a few seconds of the shots. That encounter would have proven his innocence, so the 2nd floor story was invented after the fact to erase “Oswald’s” ironclad alibi.

    Also, I strongly doubt anyone – “Oswald” double or not – walked past Johnny Brewer and the shoe store. Although Brewer did prompt/urge/cajole Julia Postal into placing the call to the DPD from the Texas Theater, the DPD had already been tipped off by numerous calls from within the theater. Yet (predictably), the dispatch records of those calls has been “lost”.

    Brewer was a low-level contact who was more than willing to help (lie) the “official” story. He believed he was helping to incriminate a guilty man, not to provide cover for the conspirators.

    • Replies: @Republic
  86. @Alden

    God. What an idiot. Doesn’t even understand what I was saying. Imbecile.

    • Replies: @Alden
  87. @Wally

    Fake Holocaust? Give the below link a read and report back to us.

    In case you didn’t know, Adolf Eichmann at his trial in Israel said that the Germans had killed over 5 million Jews. He could be considered an expert witness on the subject. Wouldn’t you agree?

    Finally, when you are done with your homework; Repent or Perish.

  88. Alden says:

    From Alden

    Polanski isn’t a pedophile.

    The girl was 13 at the time. His crime was molestation of a minor under the age of 14, anal and oral rape of a minor under the age of 14, statutory rape, possession of illegal drugs, drugging of a minor, contributing to the delinquency of a minor by giving her illegal drugs and having sex with a 13 year old

    The penalties for molestation and rape of 13 year olds are as severe as raping children 12 and under

    Why anal rape? He asked her if she was taking birth control pills, she said no, he turned her over. The victim is small and thin, looked younger, just like Mayor Moscone’s little friends.

    Sharon Tate wasn’t t a whore. She was Polanski’s wife. They rented the house of Terry Melcher. Manson didn’t know Melcher had moved.

    What with the Catholic priests, Jeffrey Epstein; and now attorney Ads on TV soliciting former Boy Scouts claiming to have been molested Scout leaders one would think that commenters would learn and use the correct terms.

    Once more, Pedophilia ends on the victim’s 13th birthday. The penalties for rape and sex activities with under 16 year olds are as severe for as children 12 and under.

    Consensual with 16 – 18 is covered by various statues. Prostitution, rape and unwanted sex activities with anyone, men and women of any age is against the law. Except for legal prostitution in a couple Nevada counties.

  89. Alden says:

    Brewer can be a Jewish name!!!! Did he have a 2nd cousin married to a cop? The plot thickens!!!

  90. @obwandiyag

    They were ugly skanks.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  91. @Alden


    Actually, Dennis Wilson supported the family for about six months. He did use a Manson song on a Beach Boys album (Cease to Resist/Exist) and paid Manson a pittance for it.

    People forget Manson was on his way to a successful recording career but the drugs and orgies derailed him.

    Manson went off the rails in the summer of 1969. Drug killings involving the black dealer and Hinman.

    Prior to that, he was on his way to being another semi-talented footnote in the history of sixties music.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Commentator Mike
  92. Manson is small potatoes now.

    • Replies: @Paul
  93. @Wally

    Let’s just say I am somewhere between Lipstadt and Unz on this question…closer to Unz, actually, but don’t tell the ADL ; – ) “Ron Unz on “Holocaust Denial”_ on Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad Radio”

    • Replies: @Wally
  94. @Amanda

    ” … the whole thing was a psyop”

    Possible. Many (but not all) “occult-loaded” events are pure psyops. And this one is
    as “loaded” as it can be, according to gematria.
    Starting from: “8.9.1969, Saturday, 10500 Cielo Drive, Los Angeles, California”=666;
    same with “8.9.69” = 1776(St) – the Illuminati number;
    And ending with the names of 4 killers combined with the names of 5 victims (some of
    them, according to Wikipedia, were random & therefore couldn’t have been foreseen),
    that augmented with the date and location showed above produce the same 1776(Jo)
    and no less important 2442.
    Too much for just a coincidence already, and there’s ten times more of similar
    “miracles” in this case.
    So, depending on the correctness of Wikipedia info, it may or may not qualify for a
    psyop (by using such approach only, of course). But, unless EVERYTHING is wrong
    on Wiki, it sill qualifies for a carefully calculated (and not by Charles Manson and Co)

  95. Pindos says:
    @ploni almoni

    jews are never at fault. never, never, never

  96. Agent76 says:


    Shortly after noon on November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated as he rode in a motorcade through Dealey Plaza in downtown Dallas, Texas. It’s been 53 years since the assassination.

    Jan 10, 2014 How LBJ Killed JFK: Money, Attorneys, and the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theory (2003)

    Oliver Barr McClellan, entrepreneur, counsel and author, born in 1939 in Cuero (aka Rawhide), Texas, became widely known by his 2003 book Blood, Money & Power on the Kennedy assassination.

    Jan 21, 2019 Celebs and relatives of Martin Luther King Jr. call for new probe into his death ahead of his public holiday as they claim his assassination and JFK, RFK and Malcolm X’s killing were conspiracies covered up by the government

    A group of at least 60 US citizens including journalists, lawyers and historians are calling for new investigations into four history-making assassinations

  97. Agent76 says:

    Jun 19, 2019 Executive Over-Reach: Pompeo Dismisses Congress In Push for Iran War

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has made it clear to Members of Congress that he does not believe any Congressional authorization is necessary for a US war against Iran. Pompeo claims the post-9/11 authorization to fight al-Qaeda is sufficient. Will Congress roll over?

    September 18, 2001 Wartime presidential powers supersede liberties

    In “cases of rebellion or invasion [when] the public safety may require it,” the Constitution permits a president to suspend the right to be freed from arrest by a writ of habeas corpus — as Lincoln did during the Civil War. That denies a person jailed even by illegal means recourse in the courts.

  98. Paul says:

    “My parents moved from Wisconsin to Costa Mesa (Newport Mesa) after a few years in Whittier, in 1959. I could have been one of those degenerate kids although I don’t remember any roof jumping.”

    We were almost neighbors. I grew up in El Monte. My brother went to UC Irvine. When a kid, I used to jump between our garage roof and the neighbors’ garage roof.

  99. @Henry_Bowman U.C.

    Fake Holocaust? Give the below link a read and report back to us.

    It’s crazy and should be illegal to question the Holocaust. It is after all the most documented event in all human history. The movies make it absolutely clear what happened. But the most convincing evidence i’ve seen are the shoes. You don’t collect mountains of shoes without gassing millions of innocent people. That alone is proof of the horror and can never be debunked.

    • LOL: Wally
  100. @Durruti

    “Not a single shred of evidence that Oswald did not do it” was in an early Newsweek propaganda piece, and people were programmed to repeat that. Of course the House Committee investigating the assassination-happy honeymoon period of Mossad and the CIA, concluded at the end that in the JFK case there was a conspiracy, and let it go at that and moved on.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  101. @Old fogey

    Two of David McGowan’s books — Weird Scenes in the Canyon (2014) and Programmed to Kill (2004) — are important to understanding the hidden side of postwar America.

  102. @Henry_Bowman U.C.

    Your memory is faulty. I remember Eichmann saying “Absurd.” “Absurd.” “Absurd.” By the way, have you seen that FBI letter from J. Edgar saying Eichmann spoke Arabic, Yiddish, and Hebrew, and was born in the “German colony” in Tel Aviv? Like Goebbels, and his wife, Eichmann was one of those Jews who considered themselves Halakhically German. Eichmann said of Kastner the Hungarian Zionist when they collaborated on expatriating Jews from Hungary, that he admired him for wanting to work for his “blood,” (meaning “race”) just as he, Eichmann, was working for his. That is the solidarity of sister Fascist parties, the Zionists and the Nazis.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  103. @mog

    Peter Levenda’s Sinister Forces trilogy (2005), especially the third volume, are fascinating, and, like David McGowan’s books, are essential to understanding the nightside of U.S. postwar history.

    “Levenda shies away from serious consideration of Jewish power or Zionism as an organizing principle within the dark state …”

    Agreed. As much I value the info found within the Sinister Forces books, I find his exclusion of Jewish mysticism troubling. To not include Judaic cults like the Sabbatean-Frankists in his survey of occult influences in the Western world seems intentional.

  104. Iris says:

    For all intents and purposes, as decidedly inconceivable as it is, Oswald acted alone.

    The fatally-flawed “Magic Bullet” theory summarised in one image: too many wounds, too few bullets.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  105. @Jeff Stryker

    Before he met the Beach Boys, Manson had spent over half his life in state institutions of one type or another and had committed homosexual rapes. How much more downhill could he spiral?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  106. Iris says:

    Thanks ever so much for the kind words.

    • Replies: @Sean
  107. @ChuckOrloski

    “… a British satanic cult called ‘The Process’ visited imprisoned Charles Manson during his murder trial.”

    Charles Manson dabbled in Scientology during his stay at the McNeil Federal Prison near Seattle during the early 1960s. The Process Church, a Scientology splinter faction, originated in London in the early to mid 1960s. It was started by a woman who was a prostitute with an elite clientele and involved in the Profumo Affair. She was also an MI6 asset. The Process Church relocated to New Orleans and then to San Francisco in 1966. Manson was paroled to San Francisco in 1966. Manson continued his relationship with The Process as it once again moved its base of operations, this time to LA, in 1968.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  108. Yeah, the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and The Company understand that nations are organized for war, so what?

    The American Empire and The Company used to understand that mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration are a clear and present threat to the nation.

    Eisenhower used “Operation Wetback” to deport illegal alien invaders in the 1950s.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the Americana Empire and The Company are now infested with treasonous rats who are doing everything they can to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Somewhere in between the transition from Eisenhower to Reagan is where the American Empire went haywire.

    Ronald Reagan pushed mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. LBJ’s 1965 Immigration Act and George HW Bush’s 1990 Immigration Act and Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty for illegal alien invaders killed the Republican Party in California and it allowed the plutocrats to dismantle the White Core American middle class.

    Richard Nixon pushed mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. Richard Nixon made it easy for transnational corporations to use China as a supply of cheap labor. Richard Nixon sold out the sovereignty of the USA to plutocrats and transnational corporations and the Chinese Communist Party.

    Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were treasonous globalizer rats who sold out the sovereignty of the USA.

    Here’s some MK ULTRA comedy from Ohio boy Richard Nixon and his Wasserman stooge pal Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon were lantern holder stooge boys for the evil globalizers in the JEW/WASP ruling class of the USA but they’re laughing at sub-Saharan African Negroids? The JEW/WASP ruling class plutocrat globalizer rats are laughing at all of us.

  109. Republic says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    There is a photo that shows Bush Senior at the front door of the Texas Book depository Building.
    When he was asked later exactly where he was on 11/22/63,Bush always replied that he forgot where he was!

  110. Durruti says:
    @ploni almoni

    I recall the Marxist Lemonists (so called revolutionaries), babbling away at the time, about “those Southern Cowboys,” and “too many guns.” Misdirection 101.

    Also recall the House Committee declaring that the Murder of John Kennedy actually was a conspiracy. Then the real important news began. As you write, they “let it go at that and moved on.”

    Imagine! The President of the United States of America is murdered in broad daylight, in front of TV cameras, and his/our Executive Government is disrupted, and our Nation is badly damaged. Later, a committee of important politicians, American CONGRESSMEN, declare the assassination to have been a Conspiracy, (which is in direct opposition to the official post Kennedy Government whitewash), and they return to their homes without pursuing the details of the Conspiracy.

    We have been without a Constitutional Government for all these decades. And look where we are.
    An unraveling nation of pathetic corrupt political puppets, with its economy gutted, and millions from Vietnam, Indonesia, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and a dozen other places, dead, wounded, or dislocated.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Alden
  111. Jake says:

    ‘Ruby was asked to execute Oswald as damage control, so Oswald wouldn’t talk, hence deflecting attention from the top perpetrator group who murdered JFK.
    Ruby’s real name was Rubinstein; in his own words, he “did it for the Jews“.

    And then the naive middle American whites had any and all old WASP hatreds stirred by reminding them that the only good Irish Catholic is a dead or emigrating Irish Catholic, which made certain that they would not see what was done to JFK and by whom (and the WASAP establishment was on board fully with Jews), nor would they be able them to see what would be done to RFK and by and for whom.

    But this bait and switch con game has been going on uninterrupted in the Anglosphere since Henry VIII stole some 99% of the ‘welfare’ source for the poor of the kingdom (Church lands) and gave it all away for pennies on the pound to the super rich, the nouveau riche traders as well as hereditary nobles and large-land owning country squires.

    Jews didn’t get involved in that game until Oliver Cromwell invited them in as new bankers for the WASP establishment.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  112. Sean says:

    Village idiot mutual admiration society. Thanks internet!

  113. @SunBakedSuburb

    Broken Scranton greetings, SunbakedSuburb!

    Was pleasantly surprised someone assembled here displayed interest in Manson as satanist.

    Thanks, I had no clue that “The Process” delegation who Vincent Bugliosi described as having met with Charlie in prison (while his murder trial proceeded) had root in “The Process Church, a Scientology splinter faction…, originated in London in the early to early to mid 1960s.”

    Was always fascinated how wealthy & intelligent film stars, for example Tom “Top Gun” Cruise, are high-profile Scientology zealots. These days, one doesn’t hear much about the wonders & foibles of Scientology.🤔

    At any rate, fyi, appearing on Veterans Today is a daring article on the unspeakable topic of Jeffrey Epstein as satanist. Thanks again,
    SunBakedSuburb, & my respect!

  114. @Iris

    All I can say is that even at age 16 I smelled a rat when I watched Oswald being gunned down by Ruby. The only person who could possibly testify as to the whys and wherefores of his deed—effectively silenced. Coincidence? Uh…I…don’t…think…so. As to who may have been ultimately behind the killings of JFK and Oswald, in the words of the philosopher Wittgenstein “I pass in silence.”

  115. @Alden

    Long hair, normal slim figure regular features all young White women are pretty.

    Yeah, and all their white men are intelligent.

    And all their children are above average…

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Alden
  116. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    From Alden

    Manson was not any kind of minor figure in the music industry. He was a pimp and the girls were his stable as the pimps call then.

    Music business is the most corrupt degenerate and sleazy part of the entertainment industry, worse than porn.

    Back in prohibition days owners of the clubs that had musicians had to pay the musicians, but the musicians bought illegal drugs from the club owners so the owners got some of the wages back

    By the 1960’s, even the big record companies auditorium managers roadies , everybody was selling drugs to everybody else.

    The insurance companies have cleaned up movie and TV companies because they won’t insure drug addicts and drug filled crews and sets any more. But in the music industry it’s still rampant.

    Many production assistants, personal assistants , go fers, drivers sell drugs and sex to higher ups. That’s part of their jobs.

    From Alden

    Manson was never more than a pimp who was tolerated because of his stable of hookers who put out any time whatever the musicians, crew agents wanted. The girls didn’t charge money or anything of value. The girls were Manson’s entree into the music business and the only reason he was tolerated as a hanger on.

    The musicians etc paid the hookers by allowing their pimp to hang around and pester them about making a record. He’d been a pimp, low life thief drug pusher since his early teens.

    The musicians didn’t mess him up. He was already messed up before he arrived in California. He was messed up by the time he was 12.

  117. Alden says:

    “ Ruby was asked to execute Oswald”. If the killing of Oswald was not Ruby’s own idea, but someone else’s I’m sure it was a lot more than “asking “, more like severe extreme coercion

  118. ah9n says:

    Talk about MK Ultra, how many lightbulbs can you fit into the same socket. sheesh what an article.

    • Agree: Alden
  119. Wally says: • Website
    @Henry_Bowman U.C.

    Briefly on Nuremberg:

    – U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:
    The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history.”
    Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49
    – At Nuremberg it was accepted the Germans used atomic bombs on Jews.
    The Soviet communists presented a detailed study of steam chambers which was accepted a Nuremberg, no study for the now alleged pesticide using ‘gas chambers’ was ever presented at Nuremberg, or any other court.
    – Documents from the U.S. National Archives reveal that the U.S. government helped cover up the Soviet 1940 massacre on some 20,000 Poles at Katyn and other places — not just during the war, but even afterwards. The Katyn Massacre by the Soviets was accepted by the Allies at Nuremberg as a German crime.
    – It was admitted by those participating in the Nuremberg show trials that Germans were routinely tortured to get ‘confessions’
    How the Film Evidence at Nuremberg was faked, from the files of Justice Robert H Jackson, US chief prosecutor at Nuremberg.

    – The typical Nuremberg ‘documents were English translations of Russian translations of Polish copies of an alleged German original which cannot be found.

    All but two of the Germans [on trial at Nuremberg], in the 139 cases that we investigated, had their testicles kicked in beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators:” 23.1.49, The Sunday Pictorial (quoted in For Those Who Cannot Speak (ref. 27), p.21.The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses. Observer & American judge, van Roden

  120. Wally says:
    @Henry_Bowman U.C.

    On the laughable, impossible caims about Eichmann:

    Clearly, anyone who wants to dismiss Eichmann’s testimonies on the grounds of their demonstrated unreliability and shameless self-serving lies can easily do so, and many of my colleagues have done precisely this.

    – so called “holocaust historian” Christopher Browning

    – from: Eichmann Interrogated, transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police, edited by Jochen von Lang in collaboration with Claus Sibyll. Translated from the German by Ralph Manheim. Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, New York, 1983, 293pp:

    Eichmann claims to have witnessed mass slaughter on a grand scale at Auschwitz in the fall of 1941, where the camp commandant, Rudolf Hoess, informed him that the great, factory-like buildings, the chimneys of which belch smoke, are “working to capacity: Ten thousand!”
    This is months before the Auschwitz crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.

    – The ‘holocaust’ Industry’s own Mark Roseman said:

    Both Rudolf Hoess’s and Eichmann’s testimonies lack credibility.

    – On Eichmann’s Diaries, Charles M. Sennott, Boston Globe, March 1, 2000, included this little tid-bit of information:

    From this self-absorbed focus on his own death he shifted easily to explaining in graphic detail how, in the death camps, “round cotton wool filters were soaked with this poison and thrown into the rooms where the Jews were assembled. The poison was instantly fatal.”

    .The standard story line says the pesticide Zyklon-B was used. Zyklon-B was a dry granular substance impregnated with cyanide and outgasses for hours & hours, and in reality was used to kill typhus bearing lice.
    much more:

  121. Iris says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    This is the stage where “racists”, “racialists”, whatever they call themselves, reveal the reals reasons behind their “beliefs”: a deeply-rooted personal inferiority complex.

    Say one is a White person who opposes immigration because it lowers wages and dissolves national identity and cohesion, the main resistance vectors against the globalist PTB.

    And this White person’s aesthetics standards, subjective and legitimate, acquired during upbringing, are such that they find only Whites are attractive.

    Why on Earth would this White person need to fabricate an alleged racial inferiority, lower IQ, pseudo-scientific hokum about foreign people they know nothing about, just because they don’t want them to join the national community in terms of economic hardship?

    Racists are an embarrassment.

  122. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    It’s the truth. Youth normal slender build and legs, long hair regular features adds up to 6-10 on a scale of 1-10. A little modest make up and a pretty outfit the Manson girls were pretty and a couple were more than pretty.

    You sneer at fat tattooed girls in dowdy black T shirts and pants. And you sneer at slim pretty girls in pretty dresses. And you’ve made numerous claims over the years that girls in tight pants and short jackets are in your own words, “asking for rape” “ advertising they’re available “

  123. @Iris

    Get over it! Kennedy was a piece of shit and it as all a LIE

    • Troll: Iris
  124. Paul says:
    @Priss Factor

    Why be a Blood, a Crip, a feminazi, a homophile when you could just be quiet?

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  125. Alden says:

    Almost all young women and teens are pretty. All it needs is a normal slim figure as almost everyone had in the 60’s and regular features as most people have and they’re pretty if women and good looking if boys and men.

    N European Whites tend to be better looking than S European Arab and mid eastern Whites except for Persians who are better looking than average. And Eastern Europeans, whether southern or northern are the best looking Whites of all. The Irish as a group are better looking than the English as a group. Asian men consider Korean women the best looking of all Asian women.

    Women and men were better looking 50 years ago because most people were average weight instead of 50 to -100 pds overweight. Tattoos detract from a persons looks. So do dowdy black T shirts and pants. Pretty little dresses enhance women’s looks.

    That the Manson girls were pretty is truth as anyone can see. If you hate and are jealous of pretty women, suck it up. Nothing to do with me.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  126. Alden says:

    Mother of a couple mulattos you’re raising by yourself I assume?

  127. Alden says:

    I remember the liberals blaming southerners KKK, Texans and everyone who resisted integration.

    Oswald was a self professed communist, had defected to Russia, was a pro Castro activist and ultra liberal leftist. Oswald was a liberal. He favored integration. As a 12 year old in New York he thought the Rosenbergs were innocent As a teen ager in New Orleans he often sat in the back of the buses with the blacks. He helped blacks register to vote a big deal at the time.

    Whether you believe Oswald was some kind of Frankenstein creature created in a CIA lab and schooled by CIA since birth; or just a kid from a poor family who thought America would be better off if the capitalist pigs were reined in, those are the facts about Oswald whether he or the ghost of the grassy knoll actually shot Kennedy.

    The liberals were shocked that one of their own killed the allegedly liberal president who the liberals totally adored. And 2 days later a Jew shot Oswald in front of millions of TV viewers.

    And the liberals and Jews went into overdrive to blame the deaths of Kennedy and Oswald on anyone and everyone from the KKK and school integration opponents to the gun that shit Kennedy all by itself.

    Kennedy’s death was a major impetus for the numerous gun control laws passed since 1963. Blame the guns, blame the KKK, blame opponents of integrated schools, blame the city of Dallas, blame Texas because it was a confederate state, blame all the Confederate states.

    I had a college class starting 1/pm Dallas time. Professor was a typical Marxist like most professors at the time. Kennedy had just died and already the professor was shouting, that Oswald wasn’t really a communist but a “nut”.
    By the next week he and other commie professors were already spouting off that the southerners killed Kennedy because of civil rights.

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @Ron Unz
  128. RJJCDA says:

    Ah, but the REAL enemy of the Globalists then was the Goldwater movement within the Republicans, the Democratic Wallace movement within the Democrats, and the Kennedys who after being denied a seat at the head table, decided to directly challenge the Cabal.

    The Dems were controlled by the Kennedys, the Goldwater movement controlled the Reps, and Wallace was leeching from both. But with one brilliant stroke, the assassination eliminated ALL threats to the globalists control…everywhere.

    The anti-war movement was originated, developed and funded by the Globalists. It was all part of the same strategy as the assassination. The perceived greatest FUTURE threat was the white middle and working class male…the source for most military recruitment and patriotic/nationalist movements. They were to be crushed on the anvil of faulty strategy and tactics, and have their moral energy sapped back homer by the anti-war movement. See: Krulak mission and WHY its recommendations were not followed.

  129. Wally says:

    “Fabrication” is not the least bit necessary, the facts speak for themselves.
    And speaking of ’embarrassment’:


    In every instance where blacks & browns are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents we see:
    – massive murder rates
    – massive crime in general
    – degraded property
    – massive disease, especially STDs
    – massive drug & alcohol abuse
    – general filth, squalor
    – massive birthrates
    – inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    – massive youth pregnancies rates
    – massive school dropout rates
    – incredibly low IQs & test scores
    – violence as a way of life
    – fathers nowhere to be found

    these from Thomas Sowell:

    – “Although much of the media have their antennae out to pick up anything that might be construed as racism against blacks, they resolutely ignore even the most blatant racism by blacks against others.”

    – “Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as ‘racists’ ”

    – “Even when black youth gangs target white strangers on the streets and spew out racial hatred as they batter them and rob them, mayors, police chiefs and the media tiptoe around their racism and many in the media either don’t cover these stories or leave out the race and racism involved.”

    -“No society ever thrived because it had a large and growing class of parasites living off those who produce.”

    – “There is much discussion of the haves and the have-nots, but very little discussion of the doers and the do-nots, those who contribute and those who merely take.”-

    Thomas Sowell

  130. Alden says:

    I understood what you wrote. You meant the girls were actors trained by the CIA, secret service FBI, ATF, DEA, Navy army Air Force and marines, food and drug administration social security administration and every other federal department to find Manson and hypnotize him into arranging the killings of at least 10 people for top top top secret deep state reasons.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  131. Skeptikal says:

    “So at a higher level, It was a mind control operation to create paralysis and cynicism.”

    this really makes sense.
    They could have gotten rid of him so much more easily with some secret method.

    The fact that a large percentage of the American population does not believe the official story, but no one can figure out a way to do anything about it, is like a case of mass hysteria and denial.

    Same goes for 9/11. We know that the official story is BS but people, esp. our cultural and political leaders, continue on acting like the Twin Towers really were brought down by box cutters. And no one says boo. It is like the denial in a family with an alcoholic in it , or a physical abusers, etc., that pretends that nothing is wrong. That pattern of denial an dlack of agency and inability to search for the truth soon becomes pathological. And maybe partly explains the pathological state of American society.

  132. Skeptikal says:

    “Tattoos detract from a persons looks. ”

    They sure do!
    Glad to see someone state this clearly.
    Why do people do this to themselves??

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Replies: @GeeBee
  133. Alden says:

    Like every other non handicapped, non retarded men his age Lane was drafted like everybody else. He was an attorney. So were Charles Garry, Faye Stender, William Kunstler and so is Alan Dershowitz.

    Lane, like Oswald was a far far left admirer of communism and soviet Russia. Lane was also a civil rights activist and ultra left Jew. Lane was all for integrated schools and integrated neighborhoods and was active in the Loving case that legalized intra racial marriage. Mark Lane advocates everything UNZ commenters are against.

    Is this a conservative pro White site or a liberal leftist anti White site?

  134. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The family supported itself by the means I listed for 3 years before Dennis Wilson came along. There’s no proof Wilson supported them. Mr. Spahn was their main source of support after they arrived in Los Angeles, moved into his ranch and exchanged free rent and utilities for sex

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  135. @Republic

    “When he was asked later exactly where he was on 11/22/63,Bush always replied that he forgot where he was!”

    Apparently, he also forgot that he had gone to great lengths to establish that he was in Tyler, Tx on that day as well. It’s a little hard to believe that he was the genius that his supporters claimed he was.

  136. Skeptikal says:

    Oh, come on, the Tate murders were a hoax.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  137. Skeptikal says:

    Just read the whole thing.
    Particularly the info on Paul Tate, Sharon’s father.

  138. @Jeff Stryker

    Manson once even audition for a band called Love who were huge at the time and quite wild too. Arthur Lee, the band leader, ended up going in and out of jails himself on drugs and guns charges. From what I can remember Manson was big with the youth movement, the lefties, the students, the freaks and the hippies, probably the most popular poster boy of that generation after Che Guevara. After all he was just killing some rich sleazebags up on the hill and trying to start a black revolution, not something that many of his generation would have objected to at the time.

    Love were very different from the more commercial Beach Boys

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  139. @Alden

    Oswald was a far far left admirer of communism and soviet Russia.

    Thats what you were told, and thats exactly why they chose him. Because Red Scare boogeyman communist narrative.

    Study Operation Gladio, same thing, false flag “terrorist” attacks, framing communists. Same thing they’re doing to Muslims now, after 9-11

    You believe everything they tell you don’t you?

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  140. Durruti says:

    Oswald was a long term Employee of the CIA. He had married a Russian woman while on duty in Russia (USSR). He may have married her with the encouragement his CIA employers, for use as political cover.

    In 1963, with the anti Communist hysteria of the 1950s still impacting our politics, and while we were in the grip of a USA V Russia Cold War that Kennedy had just narrowly prevented from exploding into a nuclear confrontation, Oswald was a convenient Fall Guy to use as a cover for the real assassins, – – –

    Because Oswald had a Russian wife, therefore he was a Communist; therefore he was guilty of anything the Controlled Mainstream Media, always at the service of the Zionist Oligarchs, accused him of. Oswald was not the first EXPENDABLE Agent, sacrificed and utilized as a Fall Guy for a crime of the New World Order Oligarchs. It is possible he was set up to be the Fall Guy, years earlier.

    One, such as Oswald. may be an honorable patriot serving a secret agency of his country, KGB, CIA, MI-6, MOSSAD, etc, but if that agency operates in an unconstitutional manner, – – – Watch Out! No life or honor is sacred, including yours.

    Yes: the Mainstream Zionist Media insists Oswald was the assassin. But what is that worth?

    Oswald did not kill John F. Kennedy. It would never have occurred to him to even contemplate such a crime. He would not have done so – even under orders.

    We know who killed the Kennedys, ML King, Malcolm X, John Lennon, and millions of others, and greatly injured our Country. We know who brainwashes and blocks the truth. Little mystery is there. After the ramifications of the Epstein scandal, the Truth is (once again), staring us in the face.

    Many years ago, when I was young and handsome, I and friends helped Mark Lane move into his 5th Avenue Office. He gave us each a signed copy of his Manuscript for-Rush To Judgement.

    The Rosenbergs were innocent.

    God Bless!

    God Bless America!

    • Replies: @Iris
  141. Tenrten says:

    Who put Obama in office and why was he there ?

  142. The “after” would feature “draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force.” Zelikow’s 2001 false flag operation would achieve all that and more. It succeeded in demonizing opposition to Zionism and empire, and to tyranny in general, by associating resistance with the fearsome image of a scary looking guy sporting an easily-identifiable villain’s beard.

    Some suggest blowing up WTC, the center of world capitalism, was also meant to create sympathy for our capitalist overlords and the military that does their bidding.

    9/11: A Desperate Provocation By U.S. Capitalism

    The first problem with the theory that the 9/11 events were caused by haters of freedom and democracy is the choice of targets. Since when have the World Trade Center and the Pentagon stood for freedom and democracy? The World Trade Center was universally understood as a facility and a symbol of global capitalism that America and other imperialist powers now impose on the world. And since when has capitalism equaled freedom and democracy?

    Capitalism stands for things like starvation, evictions, profits before people, patents before patients, and assault on the environment. What does it have to do with freedom? And the Pentagon, what does that stand for? The people in the Balkans, in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, Colombia, and Lebanon know what the Pentagon stands for: it stands for the bombs falling on their heads, and their killed or severely injured families. Again the connection between the Pentagon’s worldwide genocide and freedom and democracy is difficult to trace at best.

    I kept hearing how the whole world was shocked by these events, and couldn’t help but think that the world ought to be in joy rather than in shock: the hated towers of transnational corporate criminal outfits and banksters came down, and after bombing the rest of the world for half a century the Pentagon finally learned how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. An unnamed random person in the streets of Moscow asked by Russian TV what he thought about the 9/11 events in the USA answered it best: “I’m sorry for the people who died, but not sorry for America.”

    Perhaps one of the goals of the attack was to make the world sympathize with the WTO as a victim instead of loudly protesting and denouncing it as the world had been doing right up to 9/11. Consider, for example, the “battle in Seattle” in 1999 (“The real battle for Seattle”). The WTO was really in a hot seat there. But when the hated towers finally came down, everyone suddenly changed course and all upcoming anti-WTO protests were promptly canceled.

    At that meeting one comrade brought to light a noteworthy fact: as the attack took place early in the morning, none of the World Trade Organization (WTO) bosses (the ones rightfully hated by the world for their crimes and the ones who should have been killed had the 9/11 attack been a just revolt by the people of the Earth) were in at the time, the high bosses as usual being rather relaxed about getting to work on time, while the people who were in the WTC early in the morning, i.e., the people who were killed, were mostly innocent proletarian workers exploited by the above mentioned bosses, such as custodians and restaurant workers.

  143. dimples says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Plenty of witnesses to blood in the car, including all over Jackie. But wait, Jackie was a crisis actor.

  144. @Amanda

    “The Tate Murders were a False Flag and the Greatest Unknown Success Story of Project CHAOS” by Miles Mathis…

    That piece by Miles Mathis is one I’ve read a few times. It’s interesting and presents a lot that isn’t usually discussed except in reference to the piece by other writers. Anyone who hasn’t read it already would do well to check it out.

  145. Ron Unz says:

    I remember the liberals blaming southerners KKK, Texans and everyone who resisted integration….By the next week he and other commie professors were already spouting off that the southerners killed Kennedy because of civil rights.

    I don’t doubt that, and obviously they were saying silly nonsense.

    Oswald was a self professed communist, had defected to Russia, was a pro Castro activist and ultra liberal leftist. Oswald was a liberal.

    But I’m *extremely* skeptical of this claim. Based on everything I’ve read, there seems absolutely overwhelming evidence that Oswald was working closely with various anti-Communist groups in Dallas and that his leftist public persona was simply fake. It also seems very likely that his defection to the USSR had also been fake, having somewhat similar motives.

    Just because leftists say silly things, that doesn’t mean that rightwingers should try to retaliate by saying equally silly things.

    Offhand, it seems to me that by far one of the most likely leading culprits behind JFK’s assassination was LBJ, whose motives obviously had absolutely nothing to do with ideology one way or the other.

    It also seems fairly likely that Mossad played a central role, again for reasons having nothing to do with domestic American ideological issues.

    However, it’s certainly true that many of the lower-level conspirators brought into the plot were ideologically motivated. But I very much doubt they were the central organizers.

    • Agree: utu
  146. @Republic


    I know the photo to which you’re referring, but I doubt it is GHWB.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am positive GHWB knew exactly what he was doing when he made that bizarre phone call to the FBI in Dallas, accusing a weirdo named James Parrott of possible involvement. Bush’s call had the effect of misdirecting the FBI away from legitimate leads, leads which would have led back to Bush’s CIA associates.

    No, GHWB was a lifelong high-level spook who helped to cover up the truth about the JFK assassination.
    Now, precisely who ordered the hit is unproven at this time (and it may never be provable beyond a doubt), but that Bush Sr. was a part of the cover-up is a fact.

    Here is J. Edgar Hoover’s memo to the State Dept. about a high-level briefing to “Mr. George Bush of the CIA” . . .

  147. Loren says:

    I met someone who partied w Doris days son at the house of the murders.

    I dont know what happened. Was it a drug deal gone sour and gov spinning it?

  148. Loren says:

    Polanski..satanist? kiddie porn? child molester? was sharon an illuminati sacrifice?

  149. Loren says:
    @Priss Factor

    TWERKING is a black thing.
    black males like black women, who store fat on thier buttocks.

    i saw [at ambrose kane before his blog was declared fake news after pizzagate cover up]
    a clip of white women on stage twerking for the pleasure of black presenter.
    shocking, and I an VERY liberal socially.

  150. Loren says:

    The Manson girls were also prostitutes and White prostitutes are decent looking

    ever hear the term, groupie?
    or strawberry [trade sex for crack]

  151. @Jeff Stryker

    As usual, you know nothing.

    Half of them were men. And they were actors.

    You are one of those sad usual suckers who believes the MSM. Even to judgments of attractiveness.

  152. @Alden

    Golly, are you clueless. Go to the Dick and Jane site. You need tutoring.

  153. Kevin Barrett: “CIA mind control maniac Louis Jolyon “Jolly” West and/or his acolytes brainwashed a psychopathic prisoner named Charles Manson, gave him a CIA get-out-of-jail-free card, …”

    Maybe his get-out-of-jail-free card was expired or something. By the time the family was forming up, he had spent more than half his life in jails and other institutions. Then after brief two years on the outs, it was back in for life.

    Kevin Barrett: ” … set him up next door to Jolly’s safe house in the Haight-Ashbury hippie district of San Francisco, and taught him how to control human minds using drugs and hypnosis. ”

    Some people are naturals, and Manson was one of them. Who taught Hitler? David Koresh? Jim Jones? Joseph Smith? Either you’ve got it or you don’t. If the CIA really could make cult leaders at will, I have to think there’d be more of them. The fact that such people are rare is pretty good evidence they can’t.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  154. Kilo 4/11 says:

    All the ephemera upon which you base your gaseous emissions are small potatoes compared to one month in 1969.

  155. GeeBee says:
    @ploni almoni

    G’mornin Shlomo…

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  156. Kilo 4/11 says:

    For those who are seeking knowledge, any article about the ’60s that includes the words: “The protest movement that rose up against the nightmare, seeking to awaken the nation and return it to sanity” is not your friend.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  157. GeeBee says:

    ‘But this bait and switch con game has been going on uninterrupted in the Anglosphere since Henry VIII stole some 99% of the ‘welfare’ source for the poor of the kingdom (Church lands) and gave it all away for pennies on the pound to the super rich, the nouveau riche traders as well as hereditary nobles and large-land owning country squires. ‘

    This is an almost comic oversimplification of a very complex subject. Broad discontent with the Catholic religious establishment was rife and growing among the various peoples of Europe during the course of the sixteenth-century. Unlike in mainland Europe, however, the forces animating the Reformation in England were top-down, rather than emanating from the lower echelons of society. For a variety of complex reasons, Henry found it expedient to break with the corrupt power of Rome, and what followed regarding the dissolution of the monasteries was perhaps inevitable. And far from being a main source of ‘welfare’ for the ordinary people, as you claim, the church was criticised for harbouring land, and thus wealth, for its own ends. Indeed prior to 1536, the monasteries in England owned a quarter of all landed wealth, and it was a standing joke that if the Abbot of Glastonbury had married the Abbess of Shaftesbury, their heir would own more land than the king!

    The founders of the monastic properties (mostly in the eleventh- and twelfth-centuries) had endowed monastic houses with both ‘temporal’ income, in the form of revenues from landed estates, and ‘spiritual’ income in the form of tithes (or in other words, taxes levied on the very people you claim were deprived of welfare) appropriated from those parishes that formed a part of the founders’ patronage. Desiderius Erasmus issued his stinging critique of English monastic life, remarking that the monks and nuns ‘in withdrawing from the world into their own communal life, elevated man-made monastic vows of poverty, chastity and obedience above the God-given vows of sacramental baptism; and they elevated man-made monastic rules for religious life above the God-given teachings of the Gospels’.

    He further contended that the overwhelming majority of abbeys and priories were havens for what he described as idle drones, concerned only for their own existence, keeping for themselves an excessive share of the order’s religious assets, while contributing little or nothing to the spiritual needs of ordinary people. Furthermore, many were involved in what today we would describe as the ‘scam’ of the sale of holy relics to the gullible.

    While it is true that Henry used part of the ‘nationalised’ monasteries’ wealth to fund his wars, it is also true that his radical policies actually improved the lives of ordinary people, and removed a corrupt and debilitating competing power structure from English life. It is no coincidence that once liberated from these fetters, England’s power and wealth went from strength to strength over the course of the next three centuries. And yes, I most heartily grant you your strictures regarding the despicable Cromwellian interlude and the concomitant problems this caused regarding Jewish machinations in our land (I am English).

  158. Gizmo880 says:

    One of the best Documentaries ever done on the Kennedy Assasination can be found on YouTube and is called ‘The Men Who Killed Kennedy’. It is impossible to watch and still believe the lone gunman theory.

  159. FK says:

    I wonder if anyone else has looked into the process church, intelligence agencies, and sirhan sirhan’s connections to Manson and the Tate murders. Remember researching this and some very interesting connections…

  160. @Chris Mallory

    Manson was fine until Wilson moved from the beach house where he and Manson’s family lived. Simultaneously, Melcher refused to record Manson.

    The pittance that Manson was paid for the rights to Cease to Resist (Wilson did pay Manson in fact, but no royalties) ran out fairly quickly.

    Melcher refused to a record deal with Manson.

    Manson seemed to go downhill into drug deals gone bad and delusion after this.

  161. @Alden


    No proof? They lived in Dennis Wilson’s house for months and left him with a $100,000 bill in damages and medical treatment for VD. This is public record. Wilson also bought Manson a car. Which the girls trashed.

    Wilson moved out and Manson and his family had nowhere to go.

    Interestingly enough, Wilson wasn’t afraid of Manson and beat him up once.

  162. @Ron Unz

    An interesting tidbit of Oswald’s history was his time with the Marines at the Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan. That is where the U2 spy planes were launched, and Oswald learned a lot of information about the operational capability of those planes. That is where he learned the Russian language.

    After he “defected” to the Soviet Union (and was interrogated by the KGB) the U2 spy plane was shot down–embarassing the US government and derailing peace talks with the Soviet Union.

    The question that needs to be asked is: who benefited from these events?

    Who could recruit Oswald and teach him Russian?

    Who could train him on how to successfully defect to the Soviet Union?

    Who wanted to derail peace talks with the Soviet Union?

    Which government agency had voluminous files on Oswald during this entire period?

    Which government agency had the knowledge, skills, and ability to manipulate media coverage after the fact?

    This is not difficult to figure out, folks.


    Oswald was a patsy–he was one of the decoys….

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  163. @GeeBee

    It’s twilight, Gov’nor.

  164. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Good point. We may surmise that Jolly’s mind-control experiments in prisons (and in Haight-Ashbury and other field study settings) included an element of talent spotting.

  165. Sparkon says:

    That is where he learned the Russian language.

    That seems highly unlikely if not impossible. One does not learn Russian or any difficult foreign language in a few months. Generally speaking, virtually the only sure way to attain fluency in any language is to grow up speaking that language, especially during the critical window from about 4 to 7 years of age. Most adults students could study Russian several years and still not gain fluency, nor shed their (English) accents.

    While in Russia, Oswald either pretended not to understand Russian well, or in fact that particular version of Oswald didn’t have much Russian.

    When interviewed in the United States by a native Russian, Oswald was said to be fluent with possibly a slight Polish accent.

    After testing Oswald’s skills in translation, linguist Peter Gregory, who was a native Russian, dashed off a letter of recommendation for Oswald for work as a professional interpreter or translator of the Russian language. But with no evidence of formal training other than spending two-and-half years in the Soviet Union, how was it possible for Oswald to attain this level of accomplishment? Moreover, Gregory believed that Oswald spoke Russian with a Polish accent, which could not have been acquired from living in Minsk.

    And it certainly wasn’t acquired from being stationed at Atsugi.

  166. @Alden

    I get the same feeling about Lane. Had I been born 30 years earlier I would probably have been much closer politically to JFK’S detractors. But I’d like to think that I wouldn’t have thought that made assassination an acceptable method of change. Lane was way too left for me but he was right about JFK and he had the big brass balls to pursue the truth.

  167. Sparkon says:

    No, foreign language training for the U.S. military did not take place at a duty station, but rather was conducted on several U.S. college campuses before the GI ever got overseas. Oswald did not and could not have learned Russian at Atsugi, where in any event he was a radar operator, and not a linguist. If he had fluency while at Atsugi, he had gained it earlier. If he had fluency earlier, most likely he would have been a linguist, and not a radar operator, but again there were at least two Oswalds, maybe more.

    Russian linguist candidates in the U.S. military traditionally were selected by a qualifying score on the Modern Language Aptitude Test taken before or immediately after enlistment. I took the test during basic training at Lackland AFB. There may have been an AFQT cut-off to take the test, but I can tell you that airmen with high scores on the MLAT were highly prized by the Air Force, and qualifiers would find there was no way to escape the assignment to language school. I know.

    Training for these candidates was conducted on campuses of several U.S. universities under the aegis of the Defense Language Institute, which also held classes at Monterey, in addition to Indiana, Syracuse, and Yale.

    At the completion of the 9-month basic intensive course, passing students attained a modest level of skill, but by no stretch of the imagination could any of these students pass as fluent in Russian.

    In my USAF Intensive Basic Russian course, more than 1/3 of my classmates washed out, and none of us who passed were even close to being fluent.

    Some things really are harder than Chinese arithmetic.

  168. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “it seems to me that by far one of the most likely leading culprits behind JFK’s assassination was LBJ, whose motives obviously had absolutely nothing to do with ideology one way or the other.”

    There was an article here at UR that lays out that scheme, and it really makes the most sense.
    LBJ was the *obvious* suspect.
    That is why no one coud really believe it could be him!He wouldn’t have the chutzpah. Well, the chutzpah is exactly what he had. Plus iron control over what happened in the Republic of Texas, and a lot of Texas good ol’ oil boys behind him. And then there were the Zionist thugs. All of them thugs.

    Now, back to Manson.
    I was never a Tate murders afficionada and never read much about it. I was in Berlin in August 1969. Very soon after that I was sitting in the Munich airport when I heard about Chappaquiddick. So, yeah, a lot going on in the summer of 1969.

    But, someone pushed my nose into a “conspiracy theory” view of the Tate murders, and I must say that at this point it seems more likely that the whole thing was a acted–not a hoax, exactly, but a type of domestic false flag, a la Gladio and CIA infiltration of all the domestic antiwar and hippie circles.

    Even if a few people actually got murdered. The central figure here is Sharon Tate’s father, Paul Tate. Very likely a Gladio alum. Once you start looking at the big picture of who all of these people were, the photographic evidence, the ridiculous Manson back story, the red Ferrari . . .

    No, the official narrative does not look credible. Bugliosi looks likek the least credible of all.

    I have not read Michael McGowan’s book about Laurel Canyon. But, it sounds as though that area of LA was spooksville already for quite a long time.

    Look here:

    The first few pages of this paper are a bit unfocused, but then the chips start to fall into place.

  169. Skeptikal says:

    ” Generally speaking, virtually the only sure way to attain fluency in any language is to grow up speaking that language, especially during the critical window from about 4 to 7 years of age. Most adults students could study Russian several years and still not gain fluency, nor shed their (English) accents.”

    Maybe average Americans.
    But there are many who are above average.
    Don’t forget the Nureyev effect (Nureyev didn’t start to study ballet seriously until he was ca. 17—way too late according to the experts).

    It is very hard to attain true native proficiency if one does not learn the language from childhood up, but one can attain a very high level, if:
    One is in the country, has a native talent and good ear (for imitation of sounds), is motivated, does not rely on just passive learning—what one hears in the streets or with one’s girlfriend—but actually *studies* the language and *practices* what one has studied. This is indispensable to gain mastery of grammar, a really broad vocabulary, a good feel for idiom, etc. You must sit down and study.

    Exactly the same could be said of mastery of one’s native tongue: True mastery of one’s own languge also requires study, including the grammar and broader vocabulary, idioms, proverbs, etc. that form the expressive heart of the language. We all know that but tend to forget it. We internalize pronunciation quite automatically, but there is still a lot to learn. That is why toddlers who come from families that provide a “rich” language learning environment are already leap years ahead of their “peers” when they enter kindergarten and first grade.

    So, I don’t know the details of Oswald’s exposure to Russian, but he was married to a Russian and may have been highly motivated to learn the language.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Sparkon
  170. Skeptikal says:

    “We internalize pronunciation quite automatically,”

    I meant, as children.

  171. Wally says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    So how many Jews do you think were supposedly “murdered”? How? Where?

    In the cited interview with Ron Unz you say nothing about that.

    Thanks for your time.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  172. I don’t know the details of Oswald’s exposure to Russian

    Oswald had an erratic HS career and never graduated. His English grammar was below average. By the time he got to Japan working at a radar base with the Marine Corps he had already learned basic Russian and was looking to improve all the time. After he defected he was fluent enough to fool some that he was a native.

  173. Sparkon says:

    but he was married to a Russian and may have been highly motivated to learn the language.

    But all reports say he had no such motivation, at least during his time in the USSR, and his Russian while he was in the Soviet Union was said to be very poor, even though there were reports that he knew Russian before he defected.

    Please read the long link I left above, as it covers Oswald’s Russian language ability thoroughly, and completely refutes the argument that Oswald showed any motivation to learn Russian while in the USSR.

    But according to Mailer, Oswald’s spoken Russian was abysmal and his attitude was lackadaisical in striving to improve his language skills:

    “People laughed at him when he talked. His Russian was so bad people laughed, not mocking, but friendly. He would try to pronounce words, get them wrong. They would laugh….He couldn’t understand their words, so they showed him with sign language, made animal sounds, and he laughed. […]

    Their lessons proceeded without great enthusiasm, and Oswald found Russian difficult. He did get to a point where he could achieve understanding if Shushkevich spoke slowly, used gestures, wrote words on pieces of paper, and sometimes brought out a dictionary.” While polite and cooperative, Oswald was clearly not responding like a competent foreign language student. In a 2013 interview conducted on Radio Free Europe, Shushkevich vividly recalled one of the tutorials:

    “[Oswald] seemed to have very strong habits that weren’t suitable for studying Russian — especially with the accents in Russian words. I would teach him to say, ‘Ya DOO-ma-yu’ (‘I think’), but he insisted on saying, ‘Doo-MAH-yu.’ We would be going over the tenses, and he kept saying, ‘Ya Doo-MAH-yu.’ You see, I simply could not get him to say, ‘DOO-ma-yu.’”

    Playing dumb, I’d say.

    Oswald’s Proficiency in the Russian Language
    James Norwood

  174. Iris says:

    We know who killed the Kennedys, ML King, Malcolm X, John Lennon, and millions of others, and greatly injured our Country.

    It is the parties able to impose and enforce an implacable judicial and media cover-up to the day, more than 55 years after the events of which all participants have died, thanks to their total control over the courts and the media.

    One of the most shocking facts about the JFK assassination is that a living person has admitted to his murder and almost no American media has reported it.

    James Files, a former hitman from Chicago, has made the extraordinary confession that he shot President Kennedy from the Grassy Knoll. He provided material evidence and elements of information he couldn’t have known about otherwise.
    His confession was corroborated retrospectively by two separate CIA-associates he had never met, Chauncey Holt and Tosh Plummlee.

    His revelations are compelling: either he killed the President, or he knows who did.

    It is simply unbelievable that a confession pertaining to the “Crime of the Century” finds absolutely no echo in mainstream press.
    This confession reveals that the real Sniper Nest in which JFK’s assassination was organised was the Dal-Tex Building, not the Texas School Book Depository.

    Reputed Chicago mob marksman Charles “Chuck” Nicoletti was positioned in the Dal-Tex building, a perfect shooting location with clear sight over the motorcade.
    James Files was posted at the Grassy Knoll with instructions to deliver a headshot only if Nicoletti failed.

    Nicoletti missed. Files and Nicoletti then both shot the President at the head almost simultaneously. This is why the sequence of the Zapruder film pictured in the 1990’s “JFK” film shows the President first leaning forward (headshot from the back at the Dal-Tex), then a fraction of a second later being projected backward (shot with an explosive round from the front at the Grassy Knoll).

    The Dal-Tex Building was co-owned by David Weisblat, a major financier of the Anti-Defamation League, with ties to Israeli Intelligence and key part of the Israeli lobby, and by Morris D. Jaffe, a Dallas businessman of jewish-hispanic heritage with close ties to LBJ, who became rich thanks to controversial deals with the US army,

    Jaffe was the son-in-law of Sam Bloom, an influential Jewish member of the Dallas Citizen Council who was instrumental in defining the motorcade’s Trade Mart destination and diverting it as a sitting duck to the ambush set up at Dealy Plaza.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  175. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Commentator Mike

    In the summer of ’69 my 7 year older brother came home from his first year of college in Colorado. He was listening to Love, the Doors, Hendrix, Moby Grape. It drove my father crazy, and when he finally had proof that my brother was smoking Marijuana, Dad “Threw him out of the family”. I was 12 years old when I came home, Dad sat me down at the kitchen table, and explained “I can’t let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch”. I did not see the brother that I idolized for years. He dropped out of college, rolled his old Corvair and then moved back to Colorado where he barely escaped the draft. His birthday became #49 on the draft list that year, which shows you that there was at least a 1/6 chance of getting drafted for a 19 year old drop out.

    We lived in Marin County, and the influence of the San Francisco drug scene was very strong. The hippies had moved north and bought property to hide away from their past misdeeds, out in the Marin countryside. My father hated the hippies, and he complained bitterly when he started smelling dope smoke during the day at his office in San Rafael.

    1969 was a new age, as proclaimed by the musical Hair:

    California was already under a drug induced trance. Midnight Climax, Owsley “Bear ” Stanley, Ron Stark had already started the mkultra LSD mind control operation spreading millions of hits of acid and free concerts of bay area bands. Of course they also brought in the coke, hash and heroin.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  176. Kevin Barrett: “We may surmise that Jolly’s mind-control experiments in prisons (and in Haight-Ashbury and other field study settings) included an element of talent spotting.”

    I’m reminded of Schopenhauer’s perspicacious observation that talent is the ability to hit a target no one else can hit, but genius is the ability to hit a target no one else can see. Truly noteworthy cult leaders are beyond talented, and cross over into genius. I’m sure the powers that be would like very much to be able to spot such men long in advance of their rise and neutralize them, if they could. But if such techniques existed, they’d be in use.

    Wrt Hitler and Manson, it’s interesting to note the similarities and the differences. Similarities: Both were in their early life rejected by their societies. Both aspired to overthrow the established order. Both spent time in prison before their ascendance. Both were racists. Both killed people. And both are now demonized as no white men ever before, their names synonyms for evil. Differences: Born almost 50 years apart, and while both were prisoners, Manson was tortured in the system to an extent that made Hitler’s stay in Landsberg prison look like a vacation, which in some respects it was. Hitler’s most formative experience was WWI, while Manson’s life was shaped by prison itself. Conclusions that can be drawn from this: The system is improving in its ability to weed such people out. Potential revolutionaries are being neutralized, but not as a result of the application of a discrete body of techniques used to identify them, as in this hypothetical scenario you give regarding Manson and the CIA, but just as a consequence of the ordinary operation of the system, which by its nature constantly aims for higher efficiency by eliminating potential troublemakers and rivals. Also, a prediction: If there is a savior for the white race on the horizon, he will share characteristics with both men. He’ll be a racist, a ruthless killer, and a former prisoner.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Adûnâi
  177. @Wally

    I don’t know. Several years ago I read a couple of books on the topic and hosted a debate between Thomas Dalton, author of Debating the Holocaust, and two supporters of the standard narrative, Roberto Muehlenkamp and Andrew Mathis. After comparing Dalton’s revisionist consensus for a Jewish death total of around 500,000 (from starvation, disease, exposure, some executions in the camps, mass shootings on the Eastern front, but no gas chambers) versus the standard narrative of six million total including millions killed in gas chambers, my impression is that the revisionists have a stronger case.

  178. Robjil says:

    I fell for it for years.

    It was all a sham. The dawning of the Age of Aquarius was a farce.

    What we got in the the 21st century instead is the bombing of the Age for Wars for ZUS.

    Wars for ZUS

    Wars for ZUS

    Let the bomb shine in

    Let the bomb shine in

    This the downing of the Age of Wars for ZUS

    Let the bomb shine in

    Let the bomb shine in

    Wars for ZUS

    Wars for ZUS

    Bombing la-ree, and Misunderstanding,

    Spitefully and mistrust abounding

    More falsehoods and derisions

    War will guide the planet

    Let the bomb shine in

    It is the downing of Age of the Wars for ZUS

    Let the bomb shine in

    Can’t be nostaglia for that time at all now.
    It was farce.
    ZUS learned not one thing from that time.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  179. JoeFour says:

    “So at a higher level, it was a mind control operation to create paralysis and cynicism.”

    Yes …

    and there were perhaps additional esoteric and occult goals and purposes to the assassination …

    Google “revelation of the method” …

    The hidden powers intentionally leave footprints … but are never fully identified and are never brought to justice…

  180. @Paul

    Looks like Youtube banned Soph. Mega-corporation is afraid of a 14 yr old girl.

    But Bitchute still has the video:

  181. Lacelot says:

    To neutralize that threat, they flooded the civil rights and antiwar communities with LSD and amphetamines (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs).

    CIA MK Ultra Program: The Ultimate Evil




    “This photograph is featured in countless articles, reports and videos on MK Ultra. I myself had seen it for many years, though I usually just ran across it when searching for some related information. And though I had a strong suspicion that my sister Irene was the girl in the photo (the resemblance was striking, the time frame fit the event, but mostly it was a flash of intuition), I could not bring myself to pursue inquiries, nor to ask my sister if she had seen it. The last thing I wanted to do was bring more trauma into her life.”

    ” There are a number of individuals who claim to be “exposing” CIA MK Ultra. Some claim to be “survivors”, some claim they are “researchers”. Some are legitimate, many are not. But in my considered professional opinion, as a survivor of MK Ultra, and as former CIA, trained in psychological operations, much of the information being “exposed” is government disinformation, widely disseminated on the Internet, often as part of a containment operation/protection racket. ”

    “But back to my sister Irene, and the infamous photograph of the child victim. This photograph, which comes direct from government documents, has literally become that of the “Poster Child” of MK Ultra and its atrocities. It is titled: MK Ultra girl 1961.”

    “In such a case, it would be typical for the victim to have memory loss of the event, a period of “missing time”. The perpetrators of mind control operations generally use a combination of drugs, hypnosis, and electronic dissolution of memory (EDOM) to “erase” the memories of the victim, though it varies from case to case.”

    “The government had engineered most everything in my life: where I would live (never long in any given place, I was forced to move repeatedly), whom I would associate with, even whom I would marry, though the “arranged” marriages were accomplished in such a way as to seem otherwise. ”


    “As anyone who has come forward to expose government crimes and corruption (of whatever nature) knows, the price we pay is to be further targeted for extreme persecution, a neutralization campaign. The campaigns against Targets are highly organized and multi-layered. The criminal perps (government agents and their minions) will attempt to neutralize a Target by any and every means possible: Ruin the Target’s good name with libel/slander. False accusations, false witness. Impugning the Target’s sanity, falsely portraying him/her as “crazy”. Set ups by outside agitators, and planting agents in the Target’s life. Sabotage of family relationships, friendships, professional associations –in order to leave the Target isolated, without any support. Driving the Target into financial ruin, destitution. Theft, vandalism and destruction of the Target’s property, including vehicles, to make certain the Target has no transportation.”

    “The perpetrators will do all in their power to achieve the end result of isolation, alienation, deprivation, and make no mistake: they have the vast resources to do their dirty work, and in their arrogance, believe themselves to be “above the law”. Considering the general lawlessness into which this country has devolved, they can easily get away with their many and varied schemes and criminal offenses –including murder.”

    “They will utilize the courts, the police, the social services, all of which are infiltrated and ultimately controlled by those far above them in the chain of command. Most people are unaware that this shadow government cabal has agents all over the country, in every city, town, even the smallest hamlets and villages. If this sounds “paranoid”, so be it –but just wait until it happens to YOU, and see how quickly you have a change of mind.”

    “When the Target tries to get help, or any kind of support, the people surrounding her/him will, one by one, one way or another, be stopped from providing it. The family, friends, neighbors, professional associates, may be threatened, or bribed. They may be told the most outrageous of lies about the Target, which keeps them from wanting to help. They may be told that the Target is “under investigation” by the FBI. As a result of the insidious machinations of the agents, the persons who formerly offered support (of one kind or another) may “blame the victim”, and withdraw their support.”

  182. @Ron Unz

    I’m skeptical of the Oswald story as well. What if there were two Oswalds?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  183. @Robjil

    I hate to tell you, but that’s the worst song parody in history. No offense intended. 😉

    • Replies: @Robjil
  184. @Alden

    This was from 1977, so a few years later. But this is what chicks looked like in the SF bay area when I was growing up.

    • Replies: @Just another serf
  185. @Malcolm X-Lax

    They look a bit doughy. I’m guessing they were pretty hairy and smelled of patchouli oil. Not real attractive, unless you were 19 years old. In which case, yea, they are a dream.

  186. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:

    Neil Young “gave” Charlie Manson a motorcycle, and even wrote a great song about him:

    The line, “10 million dune buggies” is a reference to Manson’s plan to assemble ample forces in the Mojave desert to carry our his race war. Young describes Charles Manson as not so much of a songwriter as a “song-spewer.” But he remembers actually telling record executive Mo Ostin, “This guy, he’s good. He’s just a little out of control.”

    Manson was also earning money by performing baja buggy conversions on VW beatles, often stolen. All this Manson dune buggy propaganda is happening just as Apollo is about to land a dune buggy on the moon. Hmmm.

    Apparently Manson was extorting automobiles and motorcycles from all over socal, and Gary Hinman was being extorted to hand over his VW microbus:

    “Gary informed me… This (Manson) gang had been extorting things – food, cars, money – from his isolated neighborhood in the name of “peace and love”. These freeloading “flower children” were especially interested in his VW minibus, and had somehow concluded that he “owed” it to them. That’s what the heated discussion was all about. ….

    “Gary waged a campaign in the neighborhood to end the commune’s constant panhandling, going through garbage cans, expecting handouts and outright gifts of things like cars and clothes, and otherwise demanding that the community accept their “everything belongs to everyone” attitude. According to Gary, they were quite criminal in their behavior, and he was trying to get people to stop supporting them with extorted guilty gifts. …

    “Gary and his neighbor were discussing the ongoing problem of the commune at the Spahn ranch, and the neighbor let me know that Charlie’s “family” had threatened to burn Gary’s house down and destroy him as part of their apocalyptic fantasy.”

    So the motive was then revenge for Hinman’s trash-talking of the Family. This sounds much better as a plausible motive than the ‘bad drugs’ or ‘inheritance theory’ that we hear of.

    Police noticed Hinman’s stolen red VW van at Spahns when they did their July 27, 1969 mini-raid.

  187. Robjil says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I agree. It was meant to be that way.

    I used to love all late sixties stuff.

    The way the world is these days, I don’t understand why the west even created a late sixties “love culture” at all.

    It does not make sense.

    There is not one bridge left from that time to our time in the west.

    The west burned every bridge to love, peace and understanding.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  188. @Sparkon

    a) After two years in a country, unless you are stupid, you will become fluent, although not a native speaker. Moreover, the Soviet Union made no concessions to non-speakers of Russian. Of course Oswald learned to speak Russian. Oswald had total immersion. He had a job and was only surrounded by Russian speakers. No one around him spoke English. That was then whole point. He was being trained in his profession, and he was doing well, despite the fact that he was dyslexic. Being dyslexic was not a problem since all of his superiors had one or another even more serious defect.
    b) Government language examiners regularly exaggerate good results when the speaker shows promise.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  189. @Twodees Partain

    There were a dozen Oswalds, not all at the same time. It was a stock, off-the-shelve, pre-prepared identity that could be used, with very slight modifications, by authorized operatives. Each knew, if asked, the names of his maternal and paternal “grandparents” and this, and other “facts” could be checked to verify someone’s assumed identity. The number has since been retired.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  190. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Oh, you mean a revolutionary hanged on a cross like a common criminal.

  191. Sparkon says:

    I don’t understand why the west even created a late sixties “love culture” at all.

    It wasn’t “the west,” but a relatively small number of control freaks in the early sixties, not the late sixties. You’ve got to be much more precise and accurate with your aim to reach a better understanding,

    I recommend reading the late Dave McGowan’s epic narrative untangling some of the mystery

    “The Strange But Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation”

    • Replies: @Robjil
  192. GeeBee says:

    I have heard it said that this plague of tattoos – and most especially when seen on women – is a result of the relentless demonization of White people. Left-leaning girls look at their peerlessly beautiful skin and they feel ashamed. Once the tattooist has finished his demonic work, however, they are like renaissance cathedrals that have been covered in graffiti.

  193. @Robjil

    Thanks for taking it as it was intended. That’s a rare thing here, and my sense of humor seems to have no place on UR.

    • Agree: Robjil
  194. @ploni almoni

    “There were a dozen Oswalds, not all at the same time. ”

    I suppose that’s possible, though the limited reading I’ve done on the subject hasn’t led me to that conclusion. The most credible conclusion for me is that there were two Oswalds, and that there was an Oswald project conducted by CIA operatives and funded via CIA’s standard methods of the time.

    The fact that FBI director Hoover once communicated (in the early 60s) his concern that someone else was using the Oswald persona does tend to support the theory that there was more than one Oswald being used by intelligence agencies long before JFK was murdered. Past that, I have little to add.

  195. Sparkon says:
    @ploni almoni

    a) After two years in a country, unless you are stupid, you will become fluent, although not a native speaker.

    So you say, but provide neither examples, nor proof. I call that argument by assertion because it’s all hot air.

    There are Mexicans who have been living in the United States virtually their entire lives who cannot speak English at all, while others are completely bilingual. The same is true of some usually older Chinese. The last time I was in my old neighborhood in Huntington Beach, I saw most of the signs were in Vietnamese, and the conversation in the noodle bars didn’t sound like English to me.

    It depends on the person’s age, the person’s motivation, and the language itself, as well as how you define fluency. Oswald was said to be completely fluent in Russian with possibly a slight Polish accent.

    In any event, some languages are much more difficult to learn than others. Russian is rated as a Category IV language in terms of difficulty, where French, Spanish, and Italian are Category I (easier to learn), and German is Category II. Arabic, Chinese, Korean and Japanese are the only Category V languages (hardest to learn), with Japanese earning an additional star, marking it as probably the most difficult foreign language to learn.

    In my experience, some people can spend two years in a foreign land and barely speak a word of the language. In Europe, where people commonly have exposure to several languages from childhood, it is not as difficult to become multi-lingual. Again, exposure at an early age is the best route to fluency with any foreign language, and there are indeed gifted individuals who have an exceptional capacity for language. That was the purpose of MLAT.

    …Oswald had total immersion. He had a job and was only surrounded by Russian speakers. No one around him spoke English…blah blah blah

    That’s already been refuted about Oswald, and I gave direct quotations. You can’t just ignore the real evidence and carry on with your misconceptions. Try to do better please.

  196. ploni almoni : “Oh, you mean a revolutionary hanged on a cross like a common criminal.”

    “… every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints …”
    – The Rolling Stones, in Sympathy for the Devil

    When gods fail, they become demons. Jesus is the god of universal brotherhood. If/when that fails, he will become a demon, and the man who vanquishes him will become a god.

  197. @Alden

    I didn’t think Sadie was hot. Or Leslie Van. They seemed kind of skanky.

  198. aandrews says:

    You Must Remember This
    The podcast about the secret and/or forgotten history of Hollywood’s first century

    Charles Manson’s Hollywood, Part 1: What We Talk About When We Talk About The Manson Murders /May 26, 2015

  199. I’ve read bits of what Dave wrote about the CIA being behind the 60s music scene and the hippy movement, and he does gather the evidence, but is it really so? Although many of the musicians originated from middle class military and intelligence families, they could have been rebelling against them, as young people do, instead of serving the interests of their parents’ agencies. There’s even the theory that the cultural Marxist Theo Adorno of the Frankfurt School wrote all the Beatles songs, if not writing and recording all the rock and pop music of the 60s. Sure people like to come up with original theories so as to get published.

    There is also the opposite, that the CIA actually murdered rock stars in order to silence them and prevent their growth into veritable revolutionary youth leaders that could threaten the establishment and the warmongering policies of the US government, such as that in the book:

    “The covert war against rock: what you don’t know about the deaths of Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur, Michael Hutchence, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Phil Ochs, Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, John Lennon, The Notorious B.I.G.” by Alex Constantine

    Alex also presents good evidence, no less convincing than Dave. As far as Peter Tosh’s murder is concerned, the evidence is convincing that the poet who murdered him and was subsequently hanged, was a CIA asset in the wars sweeping Kingston, Jamaica at the time, or was at least fighting on the side supported and financed by the CIA, although the official story was that it was over some drugs deals.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Twodees Partain
  200. Robjil says:

    I read Dave McGowan’s book. I understand what you are saying.

    I think the “love, drug culture” was created to get the west into their bodies. It wasn’t really about promoting “peace and love” for the planet. It was all about creating a culture based on ME-ism and Body worship.

    Notice the woman’s movement saying over and over again – It’s my body, I do with it what I want, abortion being the theme for that.

    The black civil rights is a body movement. One has to be African origin to be involved. All the new civil rights movements are based on body worship of whatever ethnic group that immigrated recently. European groups don’t seem to be allowed to have a body worship movement, though these days.

    The gay movement is based on the body. Bodies who want to be with same sex partners.

    Drugs was for every”body”. It is also body based.

    Using one mind is the best drug of all, yet this best “drug” of all has been banned almost everywhere except for places like this site. The mind is not based on body functions. it based on curiosity to look at things on this planet, examine them and discuss what one has found with other fellow humans.

    One could say materialism is also all body based. It is all Me – My body wants or get things for my body. Amazon is doing that. Mind development is denied. Thus, Amazon is the biggest book banner in history now.

    After the Sixties, MSM promoted the Seventies as the ME decade. The Sixties MSM culture about love and peace was really about promoting love and peace for our bodies. It didn’t led us down to love and peace for fellow humans overseas or expanding our mind’s for freedom of information.

  201. Robjil: “The mind is not based on body functions.”

    At least a century’s worth of evidence shows that it is.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  202. Robjil says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    By the mind, I mean philosophy, meditation, or investigation.

    Our brains, heart and gut are physical. The gut is brain- like according to many scientists. People have known this for centuries. There are many sayings about thinking from your gut. The heart also has many sayings about thinking from it too.

    MSM only allows Bodyism to be studied these days. Body plus the Mind involves getting in territory like this Unz Site. That is forbidden these days everywhere except some hidden corners on the internet or in books.

    The gut- brain conversations is based on bacteria in our guts.


    These gut-brain conversations have been studied for some time. However, a new level to this partnership has recently been glimpsed; researchers are now considering the influence of our microbiome on the gut-brain axis. In other words, researchers are asking: do the bacteria in our gut affect our psychology and behavior?

    The bacteria in our gut has big influence on our minds.

    For now, all we can do is ponder the influence that bacteria have on our everyday state of mind. We should also be amazed and amused that humans, as intelligent as we consider ourselves, are partially under the control of single-celled lifeforms.

    Perhaps we would do well to remember that bacteria predate us by billions of years and are highly likely to outlive our species by billions more


  203. @Just another serf

    I watched the Robbie Parker video.

    This one?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  204. my2cents says:

    After reading a very interesting article we came to “Manson being deranged like Hitler”paraphrasing here..
    That’s were I stopped. Mr. Barrett should do some very much needed research on Hitler and learn that the “official narrative” we were all taught were lies to cover up allied war crimes. We were all made to belief the same hogwash.
    I survived WW2 and it gives me no pleasure to rehabilitate Hitler in order to praise the U.S and allies who only came in June of 1944 after the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe had been decimated 2.5 year earlier by the Soviets…The allies did the mob up action, fire bombed ME 3 times March 19, 21 and 23, 1945 (USAAF), bombed 35 other Dutch cities and to top it of bombed the Dutch dikes causing over 2000 innocent civilians to drown. Those are war crimes.

    The origin of ALL wars in Europe can be found in 1870. What happened there that had the world up in arms and determined to break up Germany and if at all possible destroy it entirely. Each war was started by 1. France…2.Britain/France….3.Britain/France all of them funded by the U.S, Various pretexts were used….like Franz Ferdinand…. Hitler…..etc.
    Germany today is still occupied by the U.S.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  205. Golobki says:

    And yet Hollywood continues the effort to get Polanski back and award him with standing ovation tributes during their rigged award ceremonies.

  206. Pancho says:

    Zelikow is a proud member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That tells all!

  207. Sparkon says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Although many of the musicians originated from middle class military and intelligence families, they could have been rebelling against them, as young people do, instead of serving the interests of their parents’ agencies. There’s even the theory that the cultural Marxist Theo Adorno of the Frankfurt School wrote all the Beatles songs, if not writing and recording all the rock and pop music of the 60s. Sure people like to come up with original theories so as to get published.

    The interesting question is why so many of these soon-to-be-famous musicians suddenly decided to leave home, travel to California, and congregate near or in Laurel Canyon at about the same time the Beatles took the USA by storm, thanks to Ed Sullivan.

    The TV has enormous power because of the monkey-see monkey-do instinct in humans. No matter how idiotic it is, merely giving it air time on the boob tube confers a kind of magic charm on the New Thing, like a talisman, which will ensure that some part of the population will do it just “As seen on TV,” which was such a popular marketing theme that it was printed on advertising copy and on the packaging itself. ‘Still is, in fact.

    The power of television helps explain why such completely idiotic trends as tattoos, pink hair, and body piercing ever caught on. And dogs. More and more fat people on the boob tube all the time these days, so it’s OK to be obese…’cuz everyone’s doing it!

    I’m OK. You’re OK … or as you’re likely to see it these days: Your OK.

    If you read Dave McGowan carefully, you’ll find that at least some of these new bands forming up in Faulkner’s “Plastic Asshole of the Universe” had “musicians” who couldn’t play, couldn’t sing, and didn’t even own any musical instrument.

    Recall that none of the Beatles could read or write music, yet by April 4, 1964, the Fab Four owned the top 5 songs in Billboard’s Hot 100, with four original compositions by Lennon & McCartney, along with “Twist and Shout,” penned in 1961 by Phil Medley and Bert Burns/Russel.

    Nice work, if you can do it.

  208. @Iris

    I remember reading, a few years ago, about how in the 1950s one of the CIA’s ideas men, Paul Helliwell, came up with the bright idea of enhancing the secret revenue stream for the CIA’s secret operations by introducing heroin into black communities.

    Before I read this, I had been surprised to discover that so many of my favourite jazz musicians – incredibly talented men – from that era had spent time recovering from heroin addiction. The Helliwell memo put it all into place.

    Hidden history. There is just so much to know and learn.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @ChuckOrloski
  209. Iris says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Also ‘Me and Lee’:

    I agree.
    I read and watched Judyth Vary Baker. Her story that she had an affair with Lee Harvey Oswald in New-Orleans, while working in a clandestine biochemistry lab and anti-Castro network, is quite credible.

    The description she gives of LHO confirms he was a US intelligence agent, beliving he had been planted in a mission to abort an assassination attempt against JFK.

    She comes up as a balanced personand presents a consistent version of the events she recounts.
    The problem is that she knew LHO before he went to Dallas, and there was nobody left to corroborate her story.

  210. Hank Yobo says:

    The allies did the mob up action, fire bombed ME 3 times March 19, 21 and 23, 1945 (USAAF), bombed 35 other Dutch cities and to top it of bombed the Dutch dikes causing over 2000 innocent civilians to drown. Those are war crimes.

    And the Germans were really nice occupation troops who didn’t arrest Dutch males and deport them for use as guest “laborers” in the Reich. Nor were they the occupiers who breached the dikes to restrict the Allies’ freedom of movement during the liberation of the Netherlands. I guess it was the Allies who starved the Dutch to death during the “Hungry Winter” of 1944-45. Shame on the Allied bomber forces for dropping food to the starving Dutch civilians. What nasty people those young American, British, and Canadian aircrews were. War criminals all. Their bodies should be exhumed from their respective military cemeteries throughout North-West Europe and desecrated for their beastly, not heroic, behavior of 75 years ago.

  211. Iris says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Thanks for bringing up the subject of drug trafficking, fundamental to understanding many political changes of the late 1960’s.

    France was chased from Vietnam, the French Connection brought down, and up-and-coming intelligence services (CIA and Mossad) took control of global heroin trafficking.

    The Kennedys were murdered, the Black Panthers crushed, and heroin shoved upon African Americans in place of any socio-political ideal, starting their second descent into the abyss, that of self-destruction and crime this time.

    It is widely believed, although not recognised, that the proceeds of crime, of which drug trafficking is the principal contributor, account for 10 to 15% of world GDP. Opium from Afghanistan, flown to Kosovo, you know the rest of the dirty story…

    N.B: John Coltrane is a genius for his music as well as his willpower: he cured himself from heroin addiction, bless his soul.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  212. @Stebbing Heuer

    Broken Scranton greetings, Stebbing Heuer,

    Linked down below is a fairly decent 🤔review of an obscure book written by Paul Williams. Fyi, he was an adjunct (non-tenured) professor at my alma mater, the Jesuit University of Scranton.

    Given the touchysubject matter, & how Paul Williams linked the Vatican Bank with money laundering for “Operation Gladio,”😈 I don’t think he’ll be an honored commencement speaker at U. of Scranton any time soon.

    Thanks & my respect, Stebbing Heuer!

    Post scriptum: Paul Williams drew reader attention precisely to what you most honorably bemoaned, “that so many of my favourite jazz musicians – incredibly talented men – from that era had spent time recovering from heroin addiction.” Williams pinpointed heroin being intentionally delivered & distributed to NYC-based clubs, staffed primarily by notable black jazz musicians.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  213. @anon

    Professional gunmen, such as those who killed JFK, pay no attention to the laws, including gun control laws.

    Grow up!

  214. @Just another serf

    It can still be found, although it’s true that’s it’s getting harder to find these things:

  215. @Priss Factor

    Hippies are completely useless, and while this article is fascinating it buys into the myths of 60’s “idealism”. Having said that, there’s little doubt that the counterculture, even if not created by the intelligence agencies, was quickly co-opted by them.

  216. @Johnny Walker Read

    Another one just happened today in Texas. The “manifesto” is conveniently already online. Supposedly the essence of white nationalism, but there’s one subject it fails to mention; care to guess what that is?

  217. @Jeff Stryker

    Ask Jim Morrison’s (of The Doors) father, who was an Admiral in the US Navy and connected with the coverup of the USS Liberty.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  218. @Alden

    Lane did some excellent work debunking the official account, but it’s true, he had a fair amount of blind spots and refused to go down some rabbit holes.

  219. @old smokey

    So obviously an actor preparing to go on stage. Anyone who responds with “we all grieve differently” or some such crap is simply a liar.

    • Replies: @old smokey
  220. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Jim Morrison’s father was also involved in the Tonkin false flag that set off the Vietnam war. But I read somewhere that he actually wanted to retaliate against Israel for the USS Liberty and that’s why they killed his son. Can’t be bothered searching for the references, anyway, to every theory there is a counter-theory. Still he didn’t make a big fuss in public about it and obviously the entire navy, military, and establishment were involved in the cover up, so as part of it so was he.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  221. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I was hoping that there would be a credible documentary on Sandy Hook, but even if there was I would no longer expect to find it on youtube without serious digging.

    fwiw) My partner teaches screen writing at the university level… I showed her that clip with the text blocked out and no introduction with respect to the subject matter other than to ask her: “give me your off the cuff first impressions of what you are about to see… look at the body language”…

    Within 5 seconds she said:
    “That guy is an actor, and not a particularly good one at that”.. no question that this is NOT a genuine human response.

    She made this assessment before he even opened his mouth, or knew that this was in reference to Sandy Hook.

  222. Adûnâi says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    No, Robert Morgan, I don’t see it. Hitler was a simple German man, nationalistic, knowledgeable, a war veteran, the [re-]founder of a party. Manson was a Californian cult leader (all three words disgusting). Nothing coming from America can ever inspire me. That land is devoid of all hope. It reeks of money. Stupid fat Americans.

    I’m not against prisoners, but revolutions are not made by generic inmates. Revolutions are made by priest-kings, by soldier-politicians. See KIM JONG IL.

    Political prisoners. Not random murderers. Those than can be put on a post card. Not a thot-slayer with the holy swastika on his dumb forehead. I mean, the dudes with bayonets. Dylann Roof, Anders Breivik, Luca Traini. Chechar, Evropa Soberana. Anyone, a soldier or a poet, is better than a manipulator of a few morons.

  223. @Commentator Mike

    I believe you might be right, he may have been given a stand-down order. FWIW Miles Mathis (whose work on the Tate murders has been linked here) believes Jim Morrison’s death was faked (like he claims about Tate’s).

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Commentator Mike
  224. By proliferating mass murders, the CIA regime is again responding to a sovereignty crisis by escalating violence as a pretext for intensified repression. CIA has brought its strategy of tension home from the NATO satellites. CIA successfully diffused popular revulsion against commercial predation and war in Indochina by promoting a synthetic counterculture at an abstract, even metaphysical level and poisoning it with drugs and high-profile violence (Manson, Altamont.) But the population is now sharply focused on their original source of disaffection: US government lawlessness and impunity. The US needs Abwicklung, dismantling of the CIA criminal enterprise that controls an unconsenting population. It’s long past time for what Germany, Romania, Russia, and Czechoslavia went through. The end result must be transitional justice, with independent international prosecution for CIA’s gravest crimes, reconstruction, and world-standard law.

  225. @Iris

    Why on Earth would this White person need to fabricate an alleged racial inferiority, lower IQ, pseudo-scientific hokum about foreign people they know nothing about, just because they don’t want them to join the national community in terms of economic hardship?

    Well, there are bound to be differences — I mean, on average — between different demographic groups in terms of their aptitudes and inclinations. However, the racial pseudo-science that is so promoted on this site, among others, is not really an intellectually serious investigation of these questions. It’s mostly just a building block in a certain kind of neo-reactionary world view.

    It has occurred to me that all this stuff is actually quite superfluous to a traditional, conservative ethno-nationalist viewpoint. I mean, a person doesn’t need to come up with some theory as to why his grandma is superior to other little old ladies. He feels a special love for his own grandma because that is his grandma and that’s all there is to it.

    Similarly, a Frenchman, say, should not need to come up with some pseudo-scientific explanation of why French people are racially superior in order to feel a greater affinity for his own people. They’re his people and that’s it.

    Anyway, Iris, I’m trying to get a discussion forum going here, and you are definitely one of the better commenters around here. That discussion forum currently has something of a bootstrap problem, that people don’t want to enter an empty bar, that kind of thing.

    If you would like to sign up for the discussion forum and even pose the question there of why they’re pushing so hard on the Race/IQ pseudo-science, I at least would try to engage in the question, as I have various (possibly wooly-minded) thoughts on all that.

    Et vous êtes française, non? Vous pouvez m’écrire à revusky (at) gmail en français ou en anglais, comme vous voulez.

  226. Mike P says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    FWIW Miles Mathis (whose work on the Tate murders has been linked here) believes Jim Morrison’s death was faked (like he claims about Tate’s).

    Most of Miles’ claims are based on picking apart fake-looking photographs. Based on such exercises, he has even convinced himself that the bombing of Dresden was faked, too. He is a sharp guy, but his standards of evidence are a bit loose.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  227. @ChuckOrloski

    Many thanks Chuck!

    Williams’ book is on my reading list. Let’s hope he gets the recognition he deserves.

    Knowing all of this, it really is difficult to be too cynical, and skeptical about everything you hear.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  228. @Iris

    Just terrible. Those poor people.

  229. Sparkon says:

    James Files has been thoroughly debunked from top to bottom. His story is littered with lies, inconsistencies, impossibilities, and improbabilities.

    • Replies: @Iris
  230. @Mike P

    He’s not entirely reliable, that’s true (I think you’re referring to his absurd claim that the atomic bombings were fake). However he has written some interesting stuff, he’s often thought-provoking.

  231. @Jonathan Revusky

    I don’t think anyone here would dispute that we don’t need a special reason to favor family over non-family, or countrymen over foreigners, etc. Liberalism is a mental disorder and vile ideology precisely because it rejects these normal, natural allegiances. However, studies of racial differences are nonetheless valid and useful in understanding what kinds of societies are likely to work, as well as providing additional ammunition against the liberal worldview.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  232. @old smokey

    There’s also the utterly bizarre behavior of the coroner, who seems like he’s on something:

  233. @Johnny Walker Read

    For the El Paso FF, they’ve got the crisis actor thing figured out: they’re trotting out some old Mexican woman “witness”, who of course doesn’t speak a word of English. So all she has to do is sit there while her “translator” reads from the script.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  234. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’ve read only a bit of Miles Mathis. He also claims that Hitler and many leading Nazis were Jews, which many here would dispute. I’m now reading through his Tate one because of this thread, and it’s almost as long as a book. The guy seems highly intelligent and extremely prolific in all sorts of unrelated areas. He’s also an artist. Makes you wonder where does one guy find all the time to do all that reading, research, writing, publishing, and then paint all those paintings, sell them, travel. Even if he had an endless supply of amphetamine or cocaine. But just one guy. Hmm?

  235. Iris says:

    James Files has been thoroughly debunked from top to bottom. His story is littered with lies, inconsistencies, impossibilities, and improbabilities.

    No, he hasn’t been “thoroughly debunked”.
    The wide community of JFK Truthers, and I am talking about the genuine ones, not the known gatekeepers, does not actually take any position with regard to James Files.

    The only arguably valid objection brought against James Files’ confession was made by veteran Truther Jim Fetzer; he said that the only flaw he could see in Files’ testimony is that no mention was made of President Kennedy’s limousine driver deliberately slowing down the car just before the headshot.

    It is an important point, but it may well be a secondary one, as elite marksmen were involved.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  236. @old smokey

    The censors have been working overtime to ban any Sandy Hook narratives they don’t like, but I did find this UK website out there that has discussion and videos:

  237. @Jonathan Revusky

    Even those Yemeni sand-niggers can’t have such low IQs if they have domestically manufactured a ballistic missile as this one, and coordinated it with multiple drone attacks, as claimed in this article, if VT is to be believed:

    On the other hand it could be Aryan Iranian engineers and consultants that are behind all this, sort of IRG personnel disguised as desert tribesmen.

  238. Sparkon says:

    As you well know, this issue has been thoroughly explored at in comments UR in the past, and Files’ story has been shot full of holes, but if sighing makes you feel better dear, go ahead on.

    John R. Stockwell:

    A colorful part of his story is how he fired one shot with his Fireball, took the cartridge out, bit down on it, and then left it on the fence railing. There are several unresolved problems with this. First, John Rademacher found 2 Fireball cartridges, not just one. Second, Files did apparently own a Fireball…. but the serial numbers clearly indicated that it’s [sic] manufacture substantially post-dated the assassination. And finally, Joe West was conferring closely with Rademacher a year before he discovered and met Files. He and I had talked about the practicality of using a Fireball for a shot from the fence (first postulated by Josiah Thompson). Joe had photographs of the dented cartridge when he went to visit Files in prison.

    According to Files’s chronology, he would have been in Laos with the 82nd Airborne when he was still 17 years old. No authentication of his military record has ever been found. Nor does one enlist, go directly into an elite outfit, and then immediately get assigned overseas to a sensitive assignment. The boot and basic infantry training of a recruit takes about a year (I was going through the military training process in those same years.) Jump school alone is one month, and you had to qualify to make it.

    I doubt you were ever in the U.S. military Iris, so you probbly don’t know standard operating procedure (SOP) in the military, which is just as Stockwell says, and as any veteran knows: green recruits are never sent on important assignments straight from basic training, and additionally, each recruit creates a tree of paperwork spreading out from his initial enlistment, so we have some of Oswald’s military records, but no trace of Files?

    As we say in the U.S.: Yeah, right!

    Much more about James Files, his story, and articles pro and con at Spartacus Educational:

    • Replies: @Iris
  239. Iris says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    It has occurred to me that all this stuff is actually quite superfluous to a traditional, conservative ethno-nationalist viewpoint

    Intelligent conservatives never get involved in the murky concept of “race”.

    General de Gaulle, from the traditional French right, fought many decolonisation struggles in Africa. He was an open supporter of France’s identity as a White European, Christian nation, of Greco-Latin civilizational background. But there is not any mention of African “inferiority” in his writings that I am aware of.
    Closer to us, I don’t recall Ron Paul ever addressing foreign policy issues except under the angle of cultural differences.

    To further the point you made, there are self-proclaimed anti-racists who openly oppose uncontrolled immigration: the UN Migration Pact finalised in Morocco in 2018 was fiercely denounced by all-time African Unity supporter Algeria.

    Mass migration is legitimately opposed by Western people because of economic and sovereignty reasons. But it is equally opposed by “anti-racist”developing countries for the same reasons, plus the fact that they (rightly) believe that migrant communities will be used as pretexts for foreign interventions by the “International Community”, under the controversial “Right To Protect” commitment.

    “Racialism” based on skin colour is not an all-time component of White European culture. It was invented by necessity in mid 17th-century Britain to justify the double genocide she was carrying in her American colonies, and translated around the 1770’s into a “hierarchy of races” in Gottingen , a German University with close academic links to Britain.
    It evolved with the needs of 19th-century French colonialism, and culminated in WW2’s Germany.

    Racialism is neither new, nor a science, since its principles were debunked once, and not so long ago.

    Thanks so much for your comments and articles. I actually started reading the UR because of your excellent article on 9/11 !!!
    The quality of the writings and comments published on this website are a credit to American freedom of thought, and to the talent of the editor, Mr Unz,

    Je vous remercie pour votre courtoisie et votre gentillesse, et ferai mon possible pour ecrire sur votre site. Vos articles sont intelligents et originaux; je les apprecie beaucoup. Tres cordialement.

  240. @Stebbing Heuer

    Dear Stebbing Heuer!

    Paul Williams’ book deals with many Italian mafia-names, & although not as difficult to know who’s who as characters in Tolstoy’s “War and Peace, readers are challenged.

    Nonetheless, the book provides a good learning experience.

    Fyi, Paul Williams discussed the CIA affiliated drug running operation, “Air America,” ran by a Scranton, Pa, area hoodlum, Rick Lyjtjes. I think Lytjes got busted around 1990, and his business was linked to the Reagan administration’s Iran-Contra disgrace.

    Regrettably, Operation Gladio evil lives, but is repackaged & branded with new name(s).

    Thank you, S.H.!

  241. Iris says:

    I don’t mind a constructive discussion, but it is tiresome to reply to somebody who just copies and pastes without any discernment stuff they find on the Internet.

    There is a conspiracy of silence about the JFK assassination. One can find thousands of pages of lies and obfuscation allegedly “debunking” James Files’ confession. Try to think by yourself and come up with original questions instead.

    – The indent marks on the shell found at the Grassy Knoll were believed to be ejection marks, until Files made his confession, after which the shell was analysed by an orthodontolgy specialist and proved to have teeth marks, as Files said.

    – Your story about the XP-100 Remington Fireball is all mixed up. Unknown to the public, the gun was initially designed for a .222 cartridge for its prototypes, exactly as James Files said he used.
    The calibre was later changed to a .221 cartridge, when the weapon was introduced to the market late 1963. James Files had a knowledge the public did not have, why could that be?

    – Files says he was in the 82nd airborne in Laos, part of a secrete subversion operation called “White Star”. The reality of this operation and its name were confirmed by Colonel Fletcher Prouty. How could a petty criminal have known about a secrete military operation nobody knows nothing about?

    – Finally, and more importantly, James Files’ association with the Chicago mob is undeniable: he has valuable information. His story being completely banned from the media is the real clue.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  242. Sparkon says:

    Why do you imagine that 17-yr. old raw recruit James Files would be recruited into some elite secret outfit without further training, or even any readily apparent unique talents or qualifications? It just doesn’t work that way sister.

    Anyway, it has been proven to my satisfaction that the cartridges dug up by Mr. Rademacher in Dealy Plaza were manufactured long after 1963, and obviously had nothing to do with the assassination of President Kennedy.

    In 1987, John Rademacher dug up two .222-caliber cartridge cases from the north side of Dealey Plaza. One was located about 10 ft east of the picket fence close to the pergola, and the other was some 60 ft to the northeast.

    Figure 1. Cartridge-case headstamps:

    1960s vintage [left], dug up by Mr. Rademacher [center], 1970s vintage [right].

    In short, the long dash — 0.04 inches in length — was used on .222 cartridge headstamps throughout the 1960s. The dash was shortened to 0.015 inches in 1970.

    The cartridge cases found in Dealey Plaza by John Rademacher were manufactured in 1971 or later. The dented cartridge case has nothing to do with James Files or the assassination of President Kennedy.

    Incidentally, I’ve read all of Harold Weisberg’s many books starting with the original short run paperback version of Whitewash which I found about 1967, and many dozens more including Lane’s Rush to Judgment, but after Oswald was gunned down in the Dallas police station, I never have believed he killed Pres. Kennedy.

    Probably some big players had participants in the crossfire that killed JFK.

    There was a guy who rushed out of the Dal Tex building in such a state of consternation immediately after the assassination that he attracted the attention of bystanders who pointed him out to police, and he was apprehended. It is said that he identified himself as a Houston oil man, and was taken away by the cops, and…nothing.

    Some people think that guy was George HW “Poppy” Bush. Bush for his part recovered from his amnesia about where he had been when JFK was killed, when Barbara suddenly remembered he had been giving a speech in Tyler, Tx., even though the couple had been registered at a Dallas hotel.

    Another guy who couldn’t remember where he was at first was Richard M. Nixon, but it turned out he had given a speech in Dallas at a Pepsi convention on Nov. 22. Nixon then claimed he had flown out before JFK was hit, but a witness said he remembered Nixon being informed of the assassination while he was still in Dallas.

    • Replies: @Iris
  243. Adûnâi: “No, Robert Morgan, I don’t see it. Hitler was a simple German man, nationalistic, knowledgeable, a war veteran, the [re-]founder of a party. Manson was a Californian cult leader (all three words disgusting).”

    The fact that there are differences doesn’t invalidate the similarities. As the saying goes, history doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes. It’s unrealistic to think that the next Hitler, if there is to be one, will resemble his predecessor in all aspects. But your inability (more like refusal) to see the pattern reminds me of the anti-racists, who refuse to see the patterns that prove the existence of race. At any rate, as for predicting the characteristics of a future white leader or race savior, to me it seems unlikely he will be a North Korean.

  244. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I don’t think anyone here would dispute that we don’t need a special reason to favor family over non-family, or countrymen over foreigners, etc. Liberalism is a mental disorder and vile ideology precisely because it rejects these normal, natural allegiances.

    Well… I don’t really disagree exactly. However, I would make the point that it does work both ways. It is possible to go too far in the other direction too. It’s a question of balance.

    But, certainly we can agree that it is fundamentally absurd to tell people that they should love somebody else’s mother as much as their own mom. Or any other proposition that is completely contrary to human nature…

    So, on those sorts of grounds, I would concede right off that there is definitely a solid case to be made that a more homogeneous nation state has advantages over a more multi-ethnic or multicultural sort of polity. But I don’t think the case for that hinges that much on the race/IQ sort of stuff. For one thing, even in a racially homogeneous country, there is still huge variance in people’s intelligence level! So, to me, it’s mostly just that people tend to feel more affinity for their own people and the more homogeneous country is likely to have a stronger social cohesion.

    That, by the way, doesn’t mean that a multicultural society simply cannot work, but it’s probably a lot harder to get the recipe right.

    However, studies of racial differences are nonetheless valid and useful in understanding what kinds of societies are likely to work, as well as providing additional ammunition against the liberal worldview.

    Hmm… well, I have great doubts about how useful the whole race/IQ sort of angle really is. It’s a complex issue, but I would just make two basic points about this.

    1. I am pretty dubious about the explanatory power of it. A typical racialist will say: “look at the white people in Germany or Scandinavia, they score higher on IQ tests than the brown people in the Middle East. And yes, these “white” countries are more advanced economically, yes. However, if you look at the world of a thousand, or certainly two thousand years ago, there were great civilizations in the Middle East when, in Germany, there was darned near bugger-all. So, if you take the snapshot of the current day, the IQ-ist stuff might look like it works, but if you take the broader sweep of history, not so much. And then you have the problem that some countries (particularly China and other Asian tigers) have improved themselves from being among the poorest countries in the world to among the richest in a few generations and the inherent cognitive ability of the people there surely did not change much over such a short period of time. So, again, the explanatory power of this racialist stuff looks pretty weak to me.

    Now, of course, the race/IQ obsessed people want to maintain that their hobby horse has more explanatory power than it really has, so they (IMHO) engage in an awful lot of backward reasoning — which is where you decide what you want to believe at the start and then start picking and choosing your facts to support what you already decided to believe. Very corrupted reasoning process. In short, I have not found these people very impressive, for the most part.

    But, beyond that, there is another aspect of all this that is maybe even more key in terms of my not taking the racialist writers here very seriously.

    2. If you look at the writers on this site who are most obsessed with all this race/IQ stuff, these are precisely the people here who have the least understanding of deep politics. People like Sailer or Derbyshire are the very last people here to call out a false flag or any of that. Or, that little jerk Karlin takes the whole conventional history of WW2 at face value and also thinks that calling you a “9/11 Truther conspiratard” is some kind of insult!

    Or… John Derbyshire really seems to believe that this Tommy Robinson character is a bona fide political dissident. (Instead of what he obviously is, some sort of actor playing a role and an intel agency/Deep State/Zio asset. So, when people can’t see things this obvious, it does not give one much confidence in their judgment on other questions!

    But, basically, I end up in the position, that, when it comes to topics that I feel I’ve studied and have some understanding of, these racialist writers are utterly hopeless. Actually, they’re reliably hopeless! So, this does not give me much confidence in their reasoning powers when applied to these other questions like race/IQ that are presumably their specialties.

    Well, in short, I guess, I mean to say, that of the various writers that appear on this site, the ones who are most obsessed with the racialist questions are pretty much invariably (and this is just my personal take) the least impressive people here intellectually, so…

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  245. It certainly appears that Manson was a Jew or at least a puppet of the Jews.

    Manson used his gang members, his so-called ‘family’ to commit the Tate and Labianca murders, and had his followers write “Kill Whitey” on the walls in the blood of the victims.

    Using Manson gang members as front men is just what Jews would do. Using a fronts, puppets, to do the dirty work and hide who is really behind it is a benchmark Jewish tactic.

    Using Manson members to write ‘Kill Whitey’ was for inciting race wars, provoking white and black people to attack and kill each other, very Jewish.

    Using Manson members to write ‘Kill Whitey’ was for inciting attacks on Christianity because white people brought Christianity to America, very Jewish.

    Early on after Manson was busted for directing his followers to do their devilish deeds, Manson started playing the crazy card, pretending insanity, acting weird, etc., another Jewish tactic.

    The Jews Media and the Jewdicial system were quick to play up the cover story that Manson did it because he was crazy. Jews reports showed Manson’s craziest pictures. Manson acted and looked crazy for the cameras and court rooms.

    After Manson was busted, he soon had a swastika tattoo between his eyes that looked crazy and lent credibility to the cover story that Manson did his evil because he was crazy.

    Stories vary on how Manson got the swastika tattoo between his eyes while he was in jail. There are no tattoo shops in jail cells. In the seventies, one story was that several men came into Manson’s jail cell, held Manson down, and forcibly put the tattoo on him.

    The swastika tattoo also served another purpose. It pointed away from Jews to neo-nazis, white supremacists, and such non-jewish bogey men. The swastika implied Manson idolized “anti-semites” instead of the Jews who actually were affiliated with Manson.

    Jews operate through puppets and attack white Christian culture using methods like Manson used. Taken together, the evidence and clues make Manson’s evil look so Jewish that Jews had to be behind Manson.

    The Laurel Canyon area Manson and his gang frequented in the late sixties was at the heart of the counter-culture movement to replace white Christian culture with Jewish directed anti-christ culture – drugs, hippies, long hair on men, homosexuality, race riots, etc. Hollyweird Jews orchestrated much of the madness.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  246. Iris says:

    In short, the long dash — 0.04 inches in length — was used on .222 cartridge headstamps throughout the 1960s. The dash was shortened to 0.015 inches in 1970.

    “Yeah right”, as you say.

    The only evidence for that is a drawing “kindly” and retrospectively provided by Remington, long after the James Files affair had blown up.

    In an affair with maximum Deep State cover up, you think people can believe archival drawings provided by a weapon company owned by the MIC? LOL.

  247. @Commentator Mike

    “I’ve read bits of what Dave wrote about the CIA being behind the 60s music scene and the hippy movement, and he does gather the evidence, but is it really so? Although many of the musicians originated from middle class military and intelligence families, they could have been rebelling against them, as young people do, instead of serving the interests of their parents’ agencies.”

    As Sparkon said, you missed some of the point by reading only bits. Of all the invented “rock stars” of the LA scene, none were ever drafted, though all were prime draft age. They all got huge contracts with established record labels though most weren’t even musicians. Not a single one of them was involved in any significant way with any protest movement.

    Steven Stills was ex-military and did, sort of, write a song or two, but the rest were basically no-talent studio creations, who should have been drafted and weren’t. McGowan’s book zeroed in on the Laurel Canyon scene, of which Manson and his “family” became a part. Mcgowan made some startling connections between the shake and bake stars and the intelligence “community”.

    Constantine’s theory of a war on rock, listing among the dead several artists who weren’t part of the rock scene at all seems unconvincing.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  248. @Jonathan Revusky

    Great comment, although I would point out that few racialists would deny that institutions are important (e.g. in regards to recent North Asian economic performance). Few of them would dispute that environmental factors play a role.

    Fully agree that the Derb is worse than useless, although I’ve probably got a higher opinion of Sailer than you do. (And yeah, trying to discus WW2 objectively with Team Russia is completely hopeless.)

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  249. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’ve been seeing some of the same things with that story in different places:

    This from SOTT’s report page on the shooting:

    “A woman and her daughter described seeing at least three men dressed in black shooting shoppers at the Walmart. Asked if she might have confused them for police, she reaffirmed that they were the perpetrators ”

    The story is laid on in layers. It’s how these things seem to go.

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  250. @Jim Crowstein

    “After Manson was busted, he soon had a swastika tattoo between his eyes that looked crazy and lent credibility to the cover story that Manson did his evil because he was crazy.”

    As I remember it, Manson cut an X into his forehead in his jail cell while the trial was going on, claiming ,”I have Xed myself from your world” (whatever that meant), and it wasn’t until he was in prison that he had the X made into a swastika with a tattoo.

    I remember a comedy routine that Richard Pryor did that included a mention of Manson:

    “It was a ol’ man…used to dip snuff and he spit in a Folger’s coffee can. That’s how I know Manson ain’t ever goan get out of jail. Long as Folgers make coffee, that muthafucka goan be in jail.”

  251. @Twodees Partain

    Regardless of whatever onerous and tyrannical legislation gets forced through because of this, ultimately these things are mind-fucks: they want to get some idea of how many people are still drinking the Kool-Aid.

  252. @Twodees Partain

    Since those rock stars came from military, intelligence and other high up families, maybe their parents and relations pulled some string to not get them drafted.

    Session musicians are often used in the studio but I saw live some of these, although later on, and they weren’t bad. Even the Monkees learned to play their instruments eventually.

    There is a lot of evidence that they were under surveillance by intelligence and police agencies, and not for purposes of ensuring their protection. John Lennon comes to mind, but many were arrested on all sorts of charges and some even spent time in jails, so they didn’t all have any special privileges. But then maybe the agencies created them only to destroy those who stepped out of line or were perceived as a threat.

  253. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Well, look at it this way…

    There are questions that, at root, are purely factual, and the truth about them is whatever it is. For example, about 50 years ago either:

    (a) Men walked on the moon.


    (b) They didn’t.

    I think we agree on which one it is, but never mind that for now…

    The point is that this is a factual question. In principle, on such a question, you gather your facts and analyze them logically and try to converge on an answer. Right? And then whatever conclusion you draw, you draw.

    BUT… if the main reason that you are asserting something is simply because it gives you emotional satisfaction to say it, then… that’s a problem, I think. I mean, even independently of whether it’s true or not.

    So, a question I would focus on, as regards the various racialist writers, is whether they say the things they do primarily because it gives them emotional satisfaction to say these things OR because they studied the question in some sort of dispassionate way and drew whatever conclusions.

    I mean, it’s part of these people’s shtick that they go around screaming that they are just being “scientific” and “rational” and this is what the data tells us… BUT… I have great doubts about this. In so many cases, it just seems so patently obvious that they get vast emotional satisfaction out of claiming that certain demographic groups are cognitively inferior and so forth.

    Again, whatever is true is true, just like with the moon landing question. I’m just talking about the overall psychology of these people.

    Aside from that, some of their claims do not strike me as very credible. I mean, they’ll trumpet the “fact” that the average IQ of subsaharan Africans is something like 70. And, of course, that would mean that half of them are dumber than that and also means that, in plenty of individual African countries, the average IQ must be even lower. I remember that James Thompson guy putting out some statistics on African IQ in some table and I think the average IQ in Equatorial Guinea was 64 (!) or something like that.

    Based on my personal experience (and common sense, I feel) I cannot believe that Black Africans are anywhere near that dumb! I mean, what is it like to talk with somebody with an IQ of 64?

    It’s not a question of believing there is no “HBD”. Sure, Southeast Asians are shorter, on average, than Europeans. I’m sure that’s true, but if people then want to tell you that the average Vietnamese man is 4 feet tall, then what?! He’s shorter, yeah, but not that short!

    But, again, whatever is true is true. What gives me pause particularly is that the IQ-ist type people seem to be completely conventional thinkers on practically any other topic. They can’t see through the “Great War” narrative on WW2, 9/11, or anything else. So…

    Fully agree that the Derb is worse than useless, although I’ve probably got a higher opinion of Sailer than you do.

    Well, that’s probably not saying much. I don’t know if you read my Tale of Two Hoaxes piece. It did not appear on Unz, of course. Some people didn’t even understand the point of that essay, but, at root, it’s a devastating critique of what people like Sailer do. Basically, somebody like Sailer pores over the mainstream media every day and, if some item is ideologically useful to him, then he can start making a big deal out of it, but if it’s not, then, for him and people like him, it effectively did not happen!

    That was my point about the Jemme Beale case.

    (And yeah, trying to discuss WW2 objectively with Team Russia is completely hopeless.)

    Well, yeah, this is just another case in point. Either you’re operating in a mode where you have studied things objectively (as best as one can) or you are repeating things mostly just because they give you emotional satisfaction. Obviously, the Russians are utterly committed to their “Great Patriotic War” narrative and are not even emotionally capable of revisiting it. We understand this…

    As best as I can figure about most of the racialists, the reason they go on and on about race/IQ is because this gives them emotional satisfaction, but then figuring out the truth about a host of other things doesn’t similarly turn them on at all, so they just go on year after year, and decade after decade, thinking that the dastardly Ay-rabs attacked us on 9/11 and whatever other BS.

    But, you know, I was more open to these people when I started reading Unz Review, and I was tracing it back, that’s well over 4 years. I had been just a reader and a commenter for over a year before I submitted an article. But, I was at a point where I had recently realized that so much of what I had believed all my life was just propaganda and BS, so I was open to what the racialists were saying more at that point in time. But then, gradually, I came to the conclusion that these people really just don’t have that much to offer. That’s my honest opinion at this point.

    But, again, note that what I say above is not some declaration of belief in absolute egalitarianism nor am I saying that there is zero validity to any “HBD” discussion. Almost certainly there is some valid stuff there, but I also very much doubt there is quite enough there to turn this into the centerpiece of one’s world view, like these people want to do.

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  254. @Commentator Mike

    Makes you wonder where does one guy find all the time to do all that reading, research, writing, publishing, and then paint all those paintings, sell them, travel. Even if he had an endless supply of amphetamine or cocaine. But just one guy. Hmm?

    A Sad “Adios” to the Most Interesting Man; Mar 09, 2016

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  255. @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    Simple Pseudonymic Handle

    Funnily enough I was just reading Miles Mathis on the Beats and he made the same complaint about Jack Kerouac, that it was impossible for him to have been so prolific if it weren’t for the help of others, and according to Mathis that help came from intelligence agencies, and much the same about William Burroughs. He says that he suspects Burroughs was an agent because he was rejected by one intelligence agency he applied for but obviously not by all of the others. And funny Miles also mentions that he himself would have made a great asset and helped make the world a better place if he’d have been given the rightful chance and position he deserves instead of having been turned into an enemy of the system exposing their conspiracies.

    Here’s Mathis on Kerouac:

    In the seven years between “leaving” the Navy and writing On the Road, Kerouac is supposed to have become “beat,” as in beaten down by the big world. So we are supposed to believe that this privileged young man, coming out of Horace Mann Prep and Columbia, and having enough money and time to write and travel about the country and buy dope, living sometimes with his parents in Ozone Park, had, between the ages of 21 and 28, not only become nearly used up by world weariness, seeing rightist politics on TV, and multiple spiritual quests, but had learned enough by the ripe age of 28 to transcend this shattering weltschmerz and become “the voice of a new generation.” To do this he only had to ramble on for 320 pages over a couple of weeks, never stopping to change his paper or his underwear.

    And has this Mathis guy ever written 320 pages over a few weeks and stopped for whatever people do to get on with life?

    And Mathis’s complaint about his own treatment:

    To those agents who are reading this—and I know you are there—you may ask why I can’t just shut up and leave well enough alone. Why do I seem to be on this idealistic crusade? Just in case you really don’t know, even after reading all my papers, it is because I am one of the real artists you defined out of the game. You stole my life from me and left me on the side of the road, with nowhere to go. More than that, you blocked all other meaningful work as well, for me and all people like me. I am also a poet: you destroyed poetry. I am a novelist: you destroyed that, too. So I went into science, only to discover you had destroyed that, too. You have destroyed the top end of every field, which of course will leave people like me very bored, with nothing to do but counter-attack. If you had found a way to include us—had left some field of endeavor open to excellence, idealism, truth, and beauty—you might have saved yourself much opposition. In the meantime, people like me might have solved some of your problems for you, and the world wouldn’t have to be such a nasty cut-throat place.

  256. @Jonathan Revusky

    The lowest IQ in that survey was of the Nepalese (IQ = 60) which would imply that all Neps are mental retards, or almost all, and I questioned that score based on my experience of some Nepalese people. I think the author James Thompson replied that he would look into it with David Becker. I think it may have looked unusual to him too, especially if he met any Nepalese. I mean they can’t be that stupid. They make good soldiers in modern armies. OK, I know soldiers aren’t the brightest bulb in the store but still – something must be wrong with that test. Also based on my experience I can’t believe that the Chinese have higher IQ than Europeans. I suspect there’s some cheating in tests going on there or practice runs. I mean the Chinese practice endlessly before any tests. I don’t know, but I presume if you spent a week or two doing nothing but IQ tests it may improve your score somewhat than if you just took one first time in your life.

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  257. @Commentator Mike

    Burroughs’ parents were rich and he never had to work a day in his life.

    As for Kerouac you can write a lot if you never do revisions. The man never heard the words rough draft or final draft in his life. If you take this into consideration his books and poems are polished smooth.

    (He used to tape the typewriter paper into one long forty foot or so long page so he wouldn’t have to worry about changing the page!)

  258. S says:

    The movie and music business, O’Neill shows, was (and presumably remains) infested by gangsters, intelligence agency criminals, and an astonishing variety of perverted human vermin. (There is considerable overlap between those three categories.)..

    ..Like 9/11, the JFK assassination divided time into a more innocent “before” of wholesome family sitcoms and a less innocent “after” of protests, violence, and social breakdown fueled by pills, especially of the psychedelic and birth control varieties.

    An episode of the very US establishment television series Route 66 filmed in October of 1963 appears to ‘foretell’ JFK’s assassination, having numerous parallels with the actual event. The particular episode, ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, was pulled from the scheduled broadcast on Nov 29, ’63 due to this fact. The ‘lost episode’ is free online at Youtube.

    The same 1963 episode also has a strong underlying ‘911’ theme of Arabs, New York, and ‘Ground Zero’, figuring prominently, thirty-eight years before the ‘terrorist act’.

    ‘That’s ground zero. I’m here to kill a king tomorrow at two o’clock.’

  259. @Commentator Mike

    Well, the mentally retarded usually have a host of other problems that make life very difficult beyond lack of raw IQ or cognitive abilities. Sub-Saharan Africans or Nepalese aren’t retards, obviously, they’re capable of normal, functioning lives, but there’s not much reason to think (institutions aside) that they’re going to form modern, technologically advanced societies anytime soon, either.

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  260. biggee says:

    Conspiracy Awareness started for me in the mid 90’s – I think it was Oklahoma City that got me looking into “everything” – then on 911, within 10 minutes after hearing the news and constant bombarding of Osama Bin Ladin’s name, I knew it was a false flag, black op. Growing up I had a friend who’s brothers worked on the WTC in the late 60’s, I remember them playing poker at his house on friday nights, after work, talking about how an Atom Bomb couldn’t bring down those towers – that memory resonated with me on 911 and by 912 I was a full on, feeling very lonely in a crazy world, truther.

    Nothing seems real anymore – history is all created in the minds of these elitists who want power and control over the masses, all done at yearly bildenberger meetings, planning out the future events to take place and the goal is a One World Government with only millions in the world, instead of billions and sexual perversion as the fun thing to do, instead of going to the movies.

    Yes, its all pre-planned for their utopia , everything, from Christmas Eve 1913 when progressive left wing freemason Woodrow Wilson signed away our money to the federal reserve, to the Laurel Canyon Hippy Operation to NASA and Outer Space. It’s all connected, it’s all pre-mediated and its all for power, money and a New World – that you ain’t part of.

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  261. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Sub-Saharan Africans or Nepalese aren’t retards, obviously,

    Well, we agree on this. Frankly, it strikes me as absurd to say that half or more of the population of an entire country is mentally retarded.

    But the problem is that something has to give here. If you just google a string like “mental retardation iq definition” you quickly come up with a host of links that say mention a working definition of mental retardation being at a cutoff of 70 IQ typically.

    So, if you take what the IQ-ists are saying at face value, they are claiming that about 50% of the population of Black Africa suffers at least mild mental retardation! And, I mean, by their working definition of mental retardation! And the claim of Nepal at an average IQ of 60 is that the majority of the population is mentally retarded! Like, over 60% or something like that!

    Well, I can’t recall ever knowing anybody from Nepal, but early last year, I took a trip to a few sub-saharan African countries for the first time. I was in Senegal, Gambia, and Guinea-Bissau. Obviously, I didn’t go around administering IQ tests to anybody, but I had some interaction with various people, like conversations with taxi drivers and waiters and the rest of it, people whom one would not expect to be of exceptional intelligence in their country. Based on that experience, and whatever experiences I had with people from Africa before that trip, I simply cannot take seriously the idea that there is a cognitive gap between Europeans and Africans anywhere near as large as what these IQ-ist types are claiming.

    So, again, we’re not talking about whether the various human populations are all equal in all respects. There have been enough generations of separate evolution in different environments that there surely are differences. And that does include cognitive differences. I’m not claiming otherwise.

    The question is whether the true differences are anywhere near the magnitude they are claiming.

    So, you have a situation where people are making claims that, via casual observation, just seem absurd, that the average intelligence of Black Africans is so low that half of them qualify definitionally (and again, it’s just using these people’s definition!) as mentally retarded.

    As far as I can see, the reason that people (on this site and others) get so committed to this stuff is that they very much want to believe it. And that’s really the crux of it. This is the most basic trap to fall into, to say things because they cause you emotional satisfaction, rather than because you really believe them to be true!

    But, again, this problem that the writers I refer to as the “IQ-ists” are the most reliably unaware on any deep politics “red pill” issue. All these false flags and hoaxes that they run to propagandize the population, these people reliably fall for all of them. So what is one to conclude from this?

    • Agree: Kevin Barrett
  262. Charles Manson was a white nobody (a nobody, in his own words). Roman Polanski on the hand,is a feted, famous jewish director, who did not want to have a child with his gentile wife, Sharon Tate. Polanski was conveniently out of the country when his beautiful wife, whom he loved so much, was ritualistically murdered. Just the previous year, he had written and directed Rosemary’s Baby, about a cult interested in taking away her baby for ritualistic purposes.

    Polanski was a (convicted) paedophile, by his own admission. Polanski has legions of fans among the Hollywood glitterati.

    Polanski belongs to a group who practices one of the most barbaric rituals known to humanity on its own newborns.

    Isn’t the husband usually the first suspect in a murder?

    The weight of rewritten history, (((perpetual victim’s))) global ownership of media, inordinate positions of power such as in the judiciary, the immediate untruthful charge of anti-semitism and lethal threat of life and livelihood immediately exonerates contemporary (((chosenoids))) from the rightful charge of modern day blood libel and other obscene crimes.

    Polanski is one of them.

    Charles Manson was a white nobody.

    The (((most perfect perpetual victims ever known to humanity))), would have us believe that Osama Bin Laden and his IQ challenged troglodytic vermin (according to them) were responsible for the nuclear event of 911.

    The original conspirators would also have us believe that a lone gunman, this time, Oswald, was responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy. Whether President Kennedy was assassinated because he wanted to rein in the Federal Reserve or stop israeli nuclear proliferation , the assassin could not have been a member of the worlds foremost psychopathic criminal cabal.

    Not Charles Manson, neither Lee Harvey Oswald nor Osama Bin Laden had ever had a fair judicial process to prove their innocence.

    After finding out that most of my life, that I have been lied to in a systematic way, I do not believe anything that I am told I am supposed to believe. Not the lies of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the so-called Arab Slave Trade, colonialism, the two world wars, the plagiarist ,einstein, the macabre concoction of the holohoax, the moon landings, 911, the lone gunman did it, climate change, the false flags, anything that comes out of the Hollywood and the like, like the deaths of Sharon Tate, Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur, Michael Jackson, jews are entitled to Palestine and the inferiority of my fellow human beings. Not that.

  263. @biggee

    Oklahoma City info if you have never seen it–the details on how it was done:

    The method of operation (applied over and over and over again):

    –Intelligence agencies infiltrate the patsy group
    –Intelligence agencies provide bombs, guns, and other logistics
    –Intelligence agencies have agenda on timing and location
    –Intelligence agencies are on scene to co-ordinate operations
    –Patsy’s information turned over to controlled media outlets and law enforcement “spokesmen”.
    –Witnesses who are in the wrong place at the wrong time are intimidated and executed in “suicides” or “accidents” as necessary.
    –Law enforcement and media continue cover-up operations as needed.

    In Oklahoma City (as in all such “operations”) many rank and file police officers know there is a cover-up (evidence “scrubbing”) in place. They also know that if they say anything about it their career (or their lives) will end very quickly.

    If you ever care to investigate a future “event” in your area just hang out at the bars frequented by law enforcement–buy them a couple of drinks and you will soon what really happened.

    –Mass media coverup and invention of “history” completes operation.

  264. sammy says:

    Google “Sharon Tate Rolls Royce”. Now look at the photos that come up of her standing, pregnant, in front of the Rolls Royce that her husband bought for her. The license plate says PGY330.
    Reads as PIGGY 33. Coincidence? I think not. Pig was scrawled in blood during the murders of Tate/Labianca. The number 33 is the “most important” number to Freemasons, and those that follow the occult etc.

  265. Uncle A says:
    @Henry_Bowman U.C.

    Adolf Eichmann was tortured my the Mossad to confess that lie.

    The holohoax was/is the Jews deflection of their complicity in the Holomodor.

  266. Anyone in 9–11 who sells themselves as a ‘truther’ and is still selling
    Manson – – and Tate and the Kennedy psy ops – -as REAL – – -is clearly a gatekeeper.



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