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The Unz Review, like American Free Press, is high on the list of the world’s most important alternative media outlets. Several AFP writers, including Paul Craig Roberts, Philip Giraldi, and yours truly, also publish there.
UR publisher Ron Unz, formerly of The American Conservative, has long been considered one of the most moderate and judicious members of what passes for the conservative movement—as well as one of the smartest. Until about 15 years ago, Unz shared the perspective of mainstream critics of “conspiracy theories” who argue that non-mainstream perspectives on the two World Wars, the JFK assassination, 9/11, elite pedophilia, the COVID-19 pandemic, and other ultra-controversial issues are inherently implausible given the difficulty of keeping secrets and the media’s watchdog role and propensity for exposing scandals.
Unz’s belated discovery that some of the biggest “conspiracy theories” are true, or at least probably true given the available evidence, began in the fall of 2008, when he “clicked an ambiguous link on an obscure website and stumbled into a parallel universe.”
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i’m sorry but p.c.r. should be put out to pasture. while he was on top of the corona virus bioweapon, he seems to be completely clueless as to the russian strategy on ukraine. to quote his lastest offering: ” the kremlin continues to invite more provocations that are leading to war.” maybe he can fly to moscow and give the russians a lesson in good old fashioned american shock and awe. while he’s there he can give them advice on supply side voodoo economics that made the u.s. great.
Ron is not quite ready to take the next step:
https://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm
…but he will get there….
Are the ass-jabbed really in serious trouble?
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/the-global-vaccine-nightmare-has
Ron Unz is a human rights defender of historic importance. But I don’t think he’s broken through the brainwashing yet.
Some CIA’s key thought-stoppers are stuck in his head. For example, he credits the VENONA evidence, which is CIA bullshit at its ripest, annotated with everything they wanted to find but didn’t.
Furthermore, the idea of rogue cabals inside CIA is inherently deceptive. There’s a reason why Hollywood is still strafing you with Matt Damon catching elderly Tommy Lee Jones. They’re all bad apples. CIA is a criminal enterprise.
For guy who trained in inductive reasoning, the Izzies-whacked-JFK wheeze takes an awful lot of hand-waving. We know exactly how CIA controls every level of government – how exactly did the Izzies control every level of government? Somebody turned off law enforcement like a light switch, immediately announcing the perp to the so-called highest levels of government, and making all investigative apparats stand down. Dimona as the Izzies’ motive is intuitively appealing, but CIA (inter alia Ray Kline) spent decades whitewashing the bootlegged pits and know-how. Nuke proliferation is just one more CIA crime.
The word conspiracy itself is neurolinguistic programming by CIA. When you have impunity you don’t need to conspire. You do what you want. Somebody don’t like it, you fuckin kill em. We saw piles of witnesses getting whacked after CIA’s apical coup in 63, after WTC II/Amerithrax, after the Boston explosions, and after CIA’s Jan. 6 Reichtag fire at the Capitol. Conspiracy as a historical factor neatly obfuscates reality: you live in a totalitarian state with arbitrary power, since 1947. It’s called CIA. They cover shit up as a favor to you so you can feel good about yourself.
Are these stats real?
whatever you do, don’t get ass-jabbed for monkey pox.
don’t worry, it’s all just statistical anomalies, like the increase in heart attacks in professional athletes in the last two years. nothing to see here.
No desire here to insult anyone, but do take note of the word number, as opposed to rate. Just one of several issues with that chart.
Upon posting I see that this comment thread hasn’t been updated in five hours. Likely then that several issues have been treated by now.
Probably, but those numbers alone don’t means much, because those numbers says nothing about the three cohorts size and composition.
Considering that vaccination in the UK started with and concentrated on population with higher risks (elderly, immuno-weakened, obese maybe ?), it’s not really surprising that anybody dying from Covid has been vaccinated at least once.
The large majority of still unvaccinated peoples are childrens or young adults with no immunity problems (say chemiotherapy or immuno-suppressing medication), and have a very low risk from the virus, so almost none of them is dying from it.
I posted an analogy elsewhere : in car crashes, roughly as many people die using their seatbelts and not using it – but unbelted drivers represent only 10% the drivers…
I don’t know. Covid is like the common cold right now (at least from personal experience, as an unvaxxed), so I don’t see how it could kill anyone. It would be like dying from the sniffles.
Maybe it just means that there are more tripple-vaccinated folks than unvaccinated folks in the UK. I don’t trust any of those statistics.
PCR should allow comments
Then he will steal most commenters from other writers.
You would benefit from actually reading the numerous articles PCR has on his site. His complaint is not a call for shock and awe. PCR is instead pointing out that Putin’s policies of minimizing human casualties at all costs is prolonging the war, and allowing the Daemons in control of Western governments to send in more and better weapons.
At the very least, it is a sensible argument.
I tend to disagree with PCR’s advice to Putin, but it’s a refreshingly different take that widens the Overton window.
nifty comment, you little hasbara.
your check for
2.39 Jewbucks
is in the mail.
and BTW, the Venona decrypts are right on target. That’s why
the Jews hate ’em.
i have read pcr’s articles and that’s why i feel he’s totally off base and does not understand the multi dimensional war that is taking place. to argue that the russians shouldn’t care about civilian causalities shows how convoluted our morality has become after +40 years of neocon war crimes.
The main implausibility of conspiracy theories for me is not people’s inability to keep a secret (murderers do all the time), it is the agent–principal problem, whereby issuing orders is a very different thing to getting them obeyed. Being malevolent and clandestine is not a magic wand for effective action unless you are a lone killer. . Put simply, people may swear to do a job, but when it involves risk to themselves, in a great many cases they won’t. People mistake themselves but they never forget themselves like TV cop hero’s do. Real cops run away from school shooters. Real members of the CIA or some cabal within it would not obey orders without considering how it would affect them personally. What benefits would the actual operatives have a reasonable expectation of getting from obeying improper orders?
Haxo Hagmark, when you’re finished sucking CIA dick with Comment 15 – don’t forget to ooh and aah a lot, they like that when you suck their dick, especially DDO Cohen – I bet you swallow, not spit, for them, right? – answer my question. Unless you’re too fucking stupid.
How exactly do the Izzies control every level of government? How exactly do they control CIA, which controls every level of government?
Cause everybody with a 3-digit IQ knows CIA controls every level of government, since the 70s when Prouty explained exactly how they do it. Not that you have three digits, I’m not saying that.
More importantly, Haxo – nice heavy metal name, needs more umlauts – do you also dress like a 80s hair-band rock star, with satiny vests that show your weed tits and your nipples, while you’re sucking DDO Cohen’s 4″ cut dick?
TL;CR, CIA runs your country, you fucking shaved ape.
Here is a conspiracy where the secret was kept for decades with zero whistleblowers from within the conspiracy–it was only uncovered by a professor digging in government archives:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-the-us-census-b/
I leave as an exercise for you to figure out what “benefits” the “operatives” had from “obeying improper orders”.
One hint–They didn’t think the orders were improper at the time.
Hey speaking of sucking CIA dick, right on time, here’s Sean to read you CIA memo 1035-960 verbatim from his CIA Junior Spy Cadet instruction manual. Today he’s going for his Big Lie merit badge by parroting 1035-960 para 4(c). When you get that badge, Bob Gates lets you suck him off in your official Eagle Scout tighty whities.
https://www.docdroid.net/VBYi8Uu/cia-1035-960-pdf
Sean neatly illustrates the agent-principal problem by showing what happens when you let a moron like Sean regurgitate your propaganda in his own words. Sean is too stupid to figure out that It Doesn’t Matter if your agents fuck up. Sean is too stupid to remember that CIA blew up the WTC once and failed. Emad Salem busted them on tape. It did not matter. They just tried again with better help and got it right.
Actually, it’s not very complicated, at least under my scenario.
(1) America has spent 70 years developing its biowarfare programs at a cost of something like $100 billion, and these weapons have apparently been covertly used on quite a number of occasions against countries seen as hostile. Presumably, the Pentagon or the CIA have lots of people who have spent many years of their lives training to deploy these weapons when ordered.
(2) Mike Pompeo was the former CIA Director and Secretary of State, probably the #2 figure in the Trump administration. If he sent one of his top aides to Ft. Detrick telling a department head “The special project has finally gotten the green light” and confirmed that message with a secure phone call, his orders certainly would have been followed.
(3) So various people at Ft. Detrick or the Pentagon or maybe Ft. Bragg would have been tasked with a mission for which they’d spent many years training. Unless they suddenly decided to violate their service oaths and go rogue, they certainly would have obeyed those orders.
I really don’t see any principal-agent problem. Does anyone else?
You have what is called an obsession, Ron. You get wedded to these ideas and it is not good policy as a thinker.
cia=mossad, mossad=cia. does that clear things up for you?
imho they violated their service oath in nov 63 and have been violating it ever since. this isn’t just rogue agents, they’re all rogue agents.
Ron, I’ve only heard the principal-agent problem recently in reference to, I think, state universities acting as agents of the government’s will to see students educated at a subsidized tuition. I think the “problem” lay in the routine freedom of action afforded individual universities, shared governance between faculty and admins, etc.
I’m not seeing the problem in a closely knit conspiracy with enforced superior-subordinate relations, compartmentalized information, a defined goal to be achieved when the balloon goes up, etc. Just a thought.
I sent Ron Unz an email a few months back. The purpose was to thank him personally for TUR and particularly the Pravda series. He briefly but cordially replied. The world was not changed because I spent a few minutes to express gratitude, but in a time in which simple courtesy is either going extinct or considered racist (!), I figured it couldn’t hurt.
Police officers and members of the CIA always have freedom of action. That is the problem where in a big production the plan (or standing orders) or a the top of a hierarchy requires the operatives to take a risk’ where the rubber meets the road . https://youtu.be/q0Y3A-zib-Q?t=156
That shocking cowardice was by ‘men’ in red blooded American Texas, not Vermont. Those cops sure heard of similar incidents probably had extra pay for attending courses on how to deal with just such a situation, this was no unforeseen circumstance and it was something that their superiors would enforce them doing. They would go on to promotion and honors beyond their dreams. All they had to do is their job as it is supposed to be done, running would ruin their career, name and reputation forever more; quite possibly they would be jailed. They all ran.
Ron Unz does not know what a “theory” is, just the way he does not know what a “virus” is. Even a well ment hint regarding “virus” he censored. So much for Unz’ selective (Jewish) commitment to the so called “American Constitution”.
He does deserve credit for this web site (one can admit grutchingly).
Anyone believing in the covid hoax is either a complete moron or a shill.
The comments are the most valuable section of this website.
And “Wagging the Moondoggie”
1)
‘By deploy you are talking about an attack but America has not had an offensive bioweapons program since 1969 when Nixon agreed with the USSR to cease offensive programs. Nobody under 90 years old has trained to do it.
2)Donald Trump ordered the US Secret Service to take him to the Capitol. They did not obey because they knew he would not could not, protect them from the consequences of carrying out his order.
3)
The oath would mean if ordered to jump off of a high building they would, not.
Sean, point taken, but we may be talking past one another here.
As I’d mentioned in other comments, I’m sitting on the fence regarding Ron’s theory. Thirty years ago I likely would have inclined to dismissing Ron’s biowarfare attack gone haywire idea as nutso. Then, I met unhinged people in responsible jobs. I also learned of our medical establishment’s strong interest in squelching or channeling public health concerns to keep talk of a national health scheme from ever entering debate.
We need a COVID-19 investigation. Every day that passes, in my opinion, makes it more likely the COVID-19 phenomenon will be “disappeared” from consciousness, and we’ll be vulnerable once again to the next pandemic coming down the pike.
That shocking cowardice was by ‘men’ in red blooded American Texas
Those cops were not white men,but Mexican-American
Your understanding about hierarchy and conspiracy suggests you have never actually worked in a real world organization, public or private.
In my younger days (past the statute of limitations, btw) I have personally paid bribes to politicians to get business done. In every case I had to work with “handlers” and “bundlers” and business associates and the politician’s staff and other officials–all of whom knew of the bribery and never said anything–ever.
It was just “business as usual”–for everyone.
Conspiracy is how the real world works.
Sean’s extra busy today denying US state crimes proven by the BWTC treaty parties and now documented to forensic standards by the Russian police action in Ukraine. This is how stupid Sean thinks you are: he says the US has no banned biological weapons program (and by implication, no know-how.) Sean thinks you will fall for that because the US has no legal banned biological weapons program. He thinks if he pretends CIA does not commit ultra vires crime, you will believe him.
I can’t wait till the Donetsk Republic tries and shoots the first CIA germ warfare criminal. They will probably cooperate him first, and he will help the world impose command responsibility on inter alia Haspel, Pompeo, Haines, and Gates, who will cower like cornered rats in their Langley fortress.
Crimes against humanity. Internationally wrongful acts in breach of jus cogens against every nation on earth. Undeclared sneak attack aggression with the most indiscriminate of WMD. Mass medical experimentation, the single most absolute prohibition of universal jurisdiction law. Every American shares erga omnes obligation to round up these CIA fuckers and make them pay.
WOW! The level of feigned ignorance here is astounding!! Some have a mistaken impression of how all this goes down:
Most all operations are designed to be morally-neutral components of a patriotic scientific research endeavor.
No one is ever asked to do anything illegal or immoral.
No one is ever forced to do anything.
They ARE often asked to further the benevolent ends of “scientific research” by doing this or that.
Of course, the research is driven by purely patriotic motives: Mom, apple pie and all that. “Can’t let the other guy get ahead of us”. Cover a pile of shit with the Flag and it goes away.
But the operation, and the acts contained within the operation are never done without the explicit clarification that this is done “for the good of the country”. “Untold millions of your own fellow citizens would thank you (if they could) for the heroism you are about to do in their [ignorant] behalf.”
“You are the best of the best and we would only pick you to do this task because we know you will carry it out to the best of the traditions of freedom and liberty for all Blah, blah, blah . . .”
No one is ever asked to do any task that might cause him to question his own moral compass or moral code or loyalty to the “cause”.
If someone is needed to jump off a 20 story building it will have been put to him in such a way that he will fight to be THE ONE to do it against all the others who might have been chosen, because he knows HE will be the one who can serve his country the best!!
Then there is the paycheck. Everyone likes to eat, drink, screw, smoke fine cigars; some even pay for their kid’s shoes and school lunches. Some men will do the most dangerous jobs on earth to fund their daughter’s Prom Dress. Money is a motivator in these operations just like it is everywhere else.
No force. No threats. Just masterful manipulation and coercion playing on the self-interest of the party involved.
The principle-agent problem is only a real problem when it’s impractical to fire your agent.
Otherwise the imperfect way your agent carries out your wishes is simply part of the cost of the trade. If their imperfection + wage is worth paying, then you use the agent. If not, then you do it yourself.
If you can’t fire your agent, it’s not your agent. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Lies are bad, mmmkay.
The other key piece is compartmentalization.
Your specific task may seem harmless enough but be part of something really nasty.
You have no “need to know” that big picture, so you do not know it.
If you start asking too many questions your boss will just ask you if you like your job or not–and the message is received.
This is a very common issue, btw, in the private sector. In many larger public corporations there is fraud going on in the accounting records to keep the share price as high as possible. In my younger days I asked too many pointed questions and had to be quickly and firmly “corrected” on the limitations of my job duties.
😉
Actual story of ncov:
Fauci tries to fund bioweapon research in China, because it’s hard to do in America. His motivation is probably to flex and say he can get away with it.
Wuhan lab makes state-of-the-art bioweapon out of coronavirus. It’s shit, because artificial biology is extraordinarily primitive. Like children finger-painting. Their motivation is to see if it can be done. Basically the answer is no.
This finger-painted bioweapon escapes because Han think if nobody is watching them, the person who handed down the rule wasn’t being serious. Allegedly it’s a biosafety-4 lab, but yeah no it isn’t.
There’s a problem. Nature is always watching. The procedures are not followed; it’s a minor miracle this is the only escape. (Or, SARS: perhaps it wasn’t.)
Yet you are not on the fence that it is a theory.
Ron has gone so far as to give it very life-like qualities such as crediting Pompeo and Bolton as the architects. This is an illusion and fantasy. There is nothing in either man’s history that would indicate this path of behavior no matter what awful and deserved thoughts people may have about the two.
He also bet the farm on the theory. It will become more batshit as time goes on. The only thing that will change that is some actual evidence. As time goes on the chances of any credible evidence emerging diminish.
The heavy hitters in journalism that have looked into it have not continued their interest.
Sean has done an adequate job debunking it for the last two and a half years.
Okay, but here are a few questions to consider…
(1) The best Western eyewitness is Danielle Anderson, an experienced virologist who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period. Interviewed by Bloomberg, she says she doubts the virus was developed at that lab or that there was any leak, especially since the lab had outstanding safety provisions. So why is she so mistaken?
(2) Almost immediately after leaking, the virus jumped 3,500 miles to hit Iran’s political and religious elites in the Holy City of Qom, which has almost no Chinese population. This happened just a few weeks after America had assassinated Iran’s top military leader. Isn’t that an odd coincidence?
(3) From January to August 2019, Robert Kadlec, America’s top biowarfare advocate, ran the Crimson Contagion state/federal exercise, aimed at preparing America against infection from a dangerous respiratory virus like Covid if it happened to appear in China. Just after the end of the exercise, Covid appeared in China. Another coincidence?
(4) In November 2019, the our DIA produced a secret intelligence report warning of a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak that was taking place in Wuhan, and distributed that report to our top leaders, NATO allies, and Israel. At the time the report was produced, there was no visible disease outbreak in Wuhan. So how did they know?
These are the sorts of issues I’ve discussed in my podcast interviews from earlier this year, which have now been viewed more than 700,000 times on Rumble:
https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews
I agree with you.
That is all very true, but my analogy with cops who were not going to go up against an AR15 to save little kids unrelated to them, even though they knew from well publicized exactly similar incidents that they were going to be punished for chickening out is more pertinent.
I never said that people don’t break the rules, everyone does, sometimes. But always with an eye to what the personal consequences will be. How much is the pay-iff and what are the chances of being caught
I’d say that is corruption, what Rin is talking about would entail being tortured and imprisoned for the rest of your life. I know someone (now dead) who paid contributions to a nationally known figure, and then went to them for getting something done. The response from this fellow, we will call him ‘Rudy’ was “I can’t’. It was too big an ask. Anyway, we are talking about parts of an organisation such as the CIA acting outside the chain of command. Not to rob a bank, but to commit treason. The actual operatives given an order to mount a bioweapon are going to understand what they are doing is an act of war that even if they successfully accomplish and get back alive, and are not regarded as knowing far to much (as might their families who they could have told), would still leave them in great danger of being arrested for treason. Where is the pay-off for the risks? There would be no idealism motivating them and no material reward, quite the opposite.
The degree to which Ron seems to think that a boss is obeyed is surprising as I believe he has had experience in funding a publication whose staff refused to do what he said (out of fear of the rest of society). It is a great pity Ron has got distracted by outré ideas about society being controlled behind the scenes by conspiracy because Ron is brilliant and among his many valuable contributions came up with a proposal that would make society more cohesive, and which immigration enthusiasts dreaded above all else
Neocon Bolton carefully avoided going to fight in Vietnam because he was scared, they don’t call them the ‘Chickenhawks’ for nothing. He hasn’t got the balls to even dream of thinking of trying something like what Ron suggests. Nothing suggests he is smart enough to get others to go along with it (he was hired and fired by Trump remember). It was Trump that ordered Iran’s Chuck Norris clipped
Koch Industries has been the main business investor and political contributor for Pompeo.
Moreover, where is the evidence the anyone in the American Deep State believes that China will economically overtake America? Without such a belief where is a motive for any kind of secret geopolitically orientated US chauvinist cabal to use a bioweapon against China? I know Ron believes China will overtake the US, but do people with their hands on the levers of power think so?
In a short term perspective, China is more efficient, but that might prove a disadvantage for the greatest ongoing innovation in the same way that pure natural selection is insufficient.
Here we see Sean perseverating furiously on his 1035-960 creed, which Uncle Dad Gottleib drummed into him during his MKULTRA object-rape dissociation sessions at the Presidio.
Sean fixates on treason even though CIA’s arbitrary power negates the constitutional concept of treason and in fact all law. Note how obsessively Sean harps on crime as implicitly outside the chain of command. When SOCOM psychos study the JFK assassination as a template for apical coups. When Richard Blee, dynastic CIA nomenklatura, infiltrated the WTC hijackers and kept them out of jail. Sean wants you to think Blee did it all himself. CIA’s gravest crimes display the clockwork coordination of an institution chartered as a criminal enterprise.
Note how Sean keeps repeating the magic word conspiracy. The word conspiracy has this ineffable totemic potency to statist suckups like Sean because it gives em flashbacks of Michael Aquino capering around with his horned goat mask and studded ungulate dildo.
CIA can kill you and torture you and get away with it. They proved that at Guantanamo, in Dallas, in NYC, and most recently in Nara City. CIA wants you to know that. But whenever Sean thinks about that, his pedo-rape nightmares get bad.
Conspiracy is the name of a crime.
Just agreeing in principle to become part of a conspiracy is a serious offence. How would anyone know it was not a loyalty test, or entrapment? And how could anyone know when recruited by a middle ranking CIA official to a covert American conspiracy that what he wase joining really was a part of a hugely powerful US Deep State faction and not a Russian false flag operation to set China and Russia at one another’s throat?. How would he know even if told by Pompeo that this was so that Pompeo had not lost his marbles or was just exceeding his authority and had no backing from anyone . Koch Industries is known to back Pompeo,; they have billions invested in China. Whoever is coming up with the money to fund this conspiracy, it’s not Koch Industries and others of their ilk.
“Who else is in on our conspiracy I just signed up to boss?” “Can’t ever tell you, its a secret”.
“Just agreeing in principle to become part of a conspiracy is a serious offence. How would anyone know it was not a loyalty test, or entrapment?”
You are not reading your own posts.
First you say that the stuff I talked about is “just corruption”, no big deal.
Well then you say it is a big deal since it violates those very serious conspiracy statutes and who knows, it might be entrapment!
You can’t have it both ways.
In the real world thousands of real people violate the conspiracy statute every day and risk entrapment–you can label it any way you wish.
Sean’s Project Artichoke brainwashing makes him incapable of comprehending CIA’s institutional impunity. Even though CIA’s institutional impunity is publicly posted in black-letter law, regulation, judicial precedent, and sub rosa memoranda, Sean is constrained to act like he’s too stupid to read it.
Sean is brainwashed in this way because impunity is vital to CIA rule. To remove the word impunity from the World Summit Outcome document CIA parachuted Bolton into the UN without confirmation and he entered hundreds of obstructive amendments to force the word to be removed.
If you say “CIA impunity” to Sean three times he’ll run out and shoot RFK Jr. with a .22 Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver. It’s his hypnoprogrammatic trigger.
“Who do I have to kill?” is a figure of speech, not a normal inquiry–even in the army and CIA. When officers were told to kill Qasem Soleimani, they asked to see the written order. Trump was given a range of options for action against Iran and killing Soleimani was one of them. Trump did not originate the idea.
What Ron is suggesting is comparable to commissioning the unauthorized use of a specialized miniature nuclear weapon that would need to be assembled to order. Neither Pompeo or anyone else could get one of those made and removed from its depository just by saying so. No one could. A direct order of such a nature would be completely out of the chain of command and procedures, whereby hundreds of people would be involved.
I agree there are those who seem perfectly normal until you mention the CIA.
Kevin, my main concerns with Mr. Putin are that he doesn’t fall (completely) for the Covid B.S. and that he has enough common sense to see right through the globalists and their “great reset.” Time will surely tell!
I have no opinion either way on Ron’s views on this particular topic–and no specific insider knowledge on nuclear command and control protocols.
What I do know is that individuals routinely conspire in all kinds of ways–and the vast majority are never caught–and that size or danger or even craziness of the venture has never been a real world limitation on those activities.
The two biggest conspiracy theories in america.
1. whites conspire to hold down blacks
2. Men conspire to hold down wimmin.
Truth is blacks and wimmin fail because they are inferior. Wimmin are physically equal to 10 year old boys and blacks are mentally equal to 10 year old whites. There is no conspiracy.
Ron has specified Bolton and Pompeo as his persons of interest for prime movers. Bolton is a Vietnam era beneficiary of a college deferment who then became member of the reserves (ie draft dodger), with a Nietzschean mustache who likes being an uber-hawk because it inflates his power, but really Trump picked him as cover for Trump’s pre existing intention to cancel the nuclear deal with Iran. Trump is of the generation that was traumatized by the hostage crisis, and there is abundant evidence in his decades of remarks about that it affected him more that others. When it comes to personal costs, Bolton is a fearful man, or put it another way he lacks the superoptimistic belief that he will prevail in any dangerous adventure, and so lacks the necessary mindset for commissioning a ‘wild’ operation that would amount to treason. There would be the possibility that he was a Russian double agent, if he tried to issue such orders. Or just mad .Againt Pompeo being a Koch man and Koch being heavily invested in China makes him an unlikely candidate for driving to fruition a scheme for economically crippling China.
It’s apparent you have no clue regarding special nuclear material handling protocols.
You’re guessing – and your guess is 100% wrong.
Sorry – no cigar
I know that the slightest mistake in the paperwork of an American nuclear warhead depository is the end of an officer’s career. The retired US army generals have recently said that they know where the Russian tactical thermonuclear warhead are stored and can tell when they are removed from their depositaries. We are talking about the Defence Intelligence Agency here, not the CIA.
And the Covid pathogen is not specialised to infect Chinese, which means as the infective agent for a US bioweapon attack on China it lacks the capability to preferentially infect and be transmitted by Chinese, and thus would not only inevitably, but predictably spread across the entire world once released in China.
Where is the motive? while it may be true that China can overtake the United States, or that covert bioweapon attack would required to stop it happening, what neocon has ever bhe believes that to be the case ?
A virus that predictably caused a global pandemic would surely be at least a 50/50 chance of a net benefit for China. Hypothetically, say someone, necessarily with with the relevant level of expertise, was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings, when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it? Ron is smarter that Pompeo, but that does not mean that Pompeo is an imbecile.
You write: “A virus that predictably caused a global pandemic would surely be at least a 50/50 chance of a net benefit for China.” And you wonder why the neocons wouldn’t use an ethnic-specific bioweapon like the ones they bragged about and looked forward to using in PNAC’s “Rebuilding America’s Defenses.”
First: A major attack with an ethnic-specific bioweapon couldn’t be hidden and could lead to all-out war and retaliation in kind. The whole point of the bioattacks the US has often used against adversaries is that they are deniable.
Second: The global COVID pandemic probably wasn’t a “predictable” response of the bio-attack on Wuhan and Qom. As Ron Unz has pointed out, SAARS and MERS, and the bird flu and pig flu used against China in 2017 and 2018, were contained in the target countries and regions.
Third: Even if the perps did understand that a global pandemic was a possible or likely outcome of their attack on Wuhan and Qom, they might still have calculated that such a pandemic would benefit their existential quest to contain Chinese economic growth. COVID has been widely blamed on China (that’s why the US created the Wuhan lab in the first place) which has provoked anti-China sentiment and quite a bit of global disinvestment and decoupling. And there is no way to damage and slow the Chinese economy without also damaging and slowing the global economy, and vice versa, at least until the decoupling that COVID started is completed. Meanwhile, by disproportionately killing off decrepit boomers, the single biggest drag on Western economies, COVID has at least slightly narrowed the gap between Western and Chinese growth. All of this would have been foreseeable, and might have led the neocons to say “if it starts a global pandemic, fine.”
Finally, the COVID bio-attack “sent a message” to China about the terrible things the neocons are crazy enough to try, and capable of getting away with, if China crosses US red lines.
You think to take down Chine they knowingly created a global pandemic that lost Trump (the most anti China president there has ever been) the presidency. Pompeo is out of a job too.
I am not sure deniable is a strong enough term, given the implausibility of America using a global pandemic to attack China.
Ron says the Covid pathogen was designed and created specifically for a bioweapon attack on China. So Covid was tailored to be different to MERS or SARS. The main difference was that unlike SARS and MERS, Coveid was extremely transmissible between humans, all of them. What kind of nonsense is this?
or considered racist (!)
or sexist
So, they are Evil and stupid. They told themselves that the USA was the ‘best prepared’ country in the world to face a pandemic. Perhaps they believed it. And then a bunch of fat, BAME and poor elderly died-do you imagine that they care about that? And, can you name ONE rich US oligarch who has died of CoViD19?
Moreover, what do you think of the investigation in Spain that found that at least 2000 ‘elite’ Spaniards, including the head of Spain’s largest pharma group, paid to be injected with saline, rather than ANY ‘vaccine’? Do you think that may have happened elsewhere?
The ‘Chain of Command’??!! Do you really believe in that? The CIA has been the real Government of the USA since November 22, 1963.
Crap. Pompeo and Bolton are outright psychopaths. And I love the ‘The heavy hitters in journalism that have looked into it have not continued their interest’, as the most perfect fusion of pig ignorance, stupidity, hypocrisy and brainwashed fuckwittery I’ve seen for a very long time indeed.
Doesn’t surprise me. You’ve not been out of the house in a very long time.
Sixty-five comments in 6 days on this thread. Capisce?
What “message”? You literally just made up the last paragraph. It’s not a thing. Nobody is thinking that.
It doesn’t even make sense. You have a bunch of mutually exclusive stuff going on there that you haven’t spend two seconds considering.
If this “bio-attack” happened obviously the neo-cons (again, a meaningless term, because it is simply your designation of the evil-genius conspirators in your fantasy) tried it and it….failed? Or did it succeed…cuz message?
All is of this is what you would get if you asked Philip K. Dick to write a James Bond screenplay.
And also, the neo-cons are the most insane and successful ideology/political party that has never won an election and nobody has ever heard of.
Whatever happened to Dick Cheney? Is he still alive?
The unanswered success of the Israeli attack on 9/11 shows that virtually each and every sworn defender of America will violate his Oath of Service if it means keeping that sweet, sweet Federal/Military pension.
The exceptions tally out at approximately one in a million.
I think you need to bear in mind that Ron’s proposed explanation for the covid pandemic having come from a special bioweapon attack against China is that the Neocons think China is going to economically overtake America, But if the US is least vulnerable in a biowarfare sense, why would it not also be so in a economic sense?
Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was going to be mainly transmitted between Chinese human beings, when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it? Ron says the Covid pathogen was designed and created specifically for a bioweapon attack on China. So it was tailored to be different to MERS or SARS. The main difference was that unlike SARS and MERS. In its extreme transmissibility between all humans, the Covid pathogen appears to have been a rather poor effort at causing a pandemic that would particularly derail the Chinese economy. Especially as Ron says the US bioweapons developers had very many billions to throw at the problem.