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The Unz Review has been blacklisted by Facebook and Google in apparent retaliation for its articles exploring the COVID-19 bioweapon hypothesis, especially Ron Unz’s blockbuster “American Pravda: Our Coronavirus Catastrophe as Biowarfare Blowback?” When deep state censors react that way, we may reasonably assume that they have something to hide. By sending such a strong signal that they don’t want us to explore this critically important topic, the censors have thrown down the gauntlet. People of courage and integrity have no choice but to respond to the challenge by going straight to the place that has been declared off-limits.

And that is what we are doing this Sunday at an interactive webinar on the COVID-19 bioweapon question. Below is my forthcoming article on the webinar for this week’s edition of American Free Press, followed by a transcript of my April 8 interview with biological weapons expert Meryl Nass. Also check out my new Veterans Today article “COVID Made In a Lab! Ex-Skeptics Admit It Due to Accumulating Evidence.-KB

Symposium to Explore Corona Bioweapon Hypothesis

(A slightly different version of this article appears in the May 29, 2020 issue of American Free Press.)

Did COVID-19 evolve naturally in animals before a freak mutation allowed it to infect humans? Or is it a bioweapon built from a bat coronavirus with an add-on spike protein designed to infect humans? If the latter hypothesis is true, then who built it, and was it released accidentally or deliberately?

These are the key questions that will be explored in an on-line symposium sponsored by the No Lies Foundation, a San Francisco Bay Area based 501c3 nonprofit. The interactive event will take place Sunday, May 31, 2020, 2 to 4:30 pm Eastern, featuring presentations by several researchers who will take questions from the on-line audience. For details visit https://noliesradio.org/donate1.html .

Full disclosure: I will be one of the presenters, alongside Ron Unz, publisher of the Unz Review; Barry Kissin, a leading researcher on the 2001 anthrax false flag attack; Meryl Nass, MD, a leading biological warfare expert; and Thomas Willcutts, an attorney with a strong science background. Francis Boyle, the international law professor who drafted the the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, will be represented on video.

Francis Boyle is well known for opining that COVID-19 is an engineered biological weapon, not a naturally-occurring mutation. He argues that the novel coronavirus appears to be engineered for “gain of function,” meaning that its ability to infect humans due to its perfectly-structured spike protein is the telltale sign of a bioweapon. Boyle’s view was recently supported by a new study led by vaccine researcher Nikolai Petrovsky of Flinders University in Australia, which compared the coronavirus spike protein’s ability to bind to human versus animal cells. The study found that COVID-19’s spike protein is perfectly tailored to powerfully bind with human cells, but cannot bind efficiently with cells from a large number of sampled animal species. Therefore, the authors conclude, the virus cannot have jumped to humans from any animal intermediary. Instead, it must have become specialized for human penetration by “living” in human cells. There is only one plausible mechanism by which the virus could have existed in human cells long enough to become so perfectly specialized: It must have been introduced into human cell cultures in a laboratory. Germ warfare scientists would have taken a bat coronavirus, put it into cultured human cells, and run it through many generations, selectively breeding the virus to get better and better at binding with human cell receptors.

This method—the traditional old-fashioned way of manufacturing biological weapons, perfected during the days before the existence of modern genetic engineering—would have the advantage of not leaving telltale signs of genetic manipulation: A virus pushed to “evolve” artificially in cultured human cells does not have the giveaway markers of a virus that includes artificial “inserts.” So by using the old-fashioned method, the germ warfare engineers would have achieved “plausible deniability”—which has always been the case for previous biological agents that have actually been used in anger, according to Dr. Meryl Nass.

Barry Kissin rebuts the above argument by pointing out that the majority of scientists who have offered an opinion disagree with Boyle. These experts say the virus was probably endemic in bats before it fortuitously jumped to humans, possibly passing through other animal intermediaries.

Meryl Nass argues that the scientific community has been misled by Nature Medicine’s specious, bad-faith argument against the bioweapon hypothesis. Dr. Nass argues that the authors of that article could not possibly have believed what they were saying, since their argument rests on the absurd assumption that a COVID bioweaponeer would have chosen one particular easily detectible method rather than any of the many plausibly deniable ones. Actual bioweaponeers, she says, always choose plausible deniability; there are many ways this could have been achieved in manufacturing COVID-19. The Nature Medicine authors, she says, obviously know this. Their argument is a grotesque big lie by omission.

Thomas Willcutts reinforces Dr. Nass’s case by analyzing another absurdity in the Nature Medicine argument: The claim that no bioweaponeer would have built COVID-19’s spike protein because an obscure error in an obscure paper would have dissuaded them from even trying. Together, Willcutts and Nass show the Nature Medicine authors appear to be guilty of scientific fraud.

So if COVID-19 is a bioweapon, how did it emerge? It could have been an accident. But there are also reasons to suspect a deliberate biological attack. Ron Unz, perhaps the most accomplished figure in alternative media, lists some of those reasons and sketches a plausible scenario involving a biological attack on China by American neoconservatives, followed by unintended “blowback.” I will supplement Unz’s presentation by arguing for another scenario in which an international banking elite may be attacking not just China, but the entire world.

Kevin Barrett Interviews Bioweapons Expert Meryl Nass, 4-5-20

Dr. Meryl Nass is a world-class bioweapons expert. She recently published a must-read article:

Why are some of the US’ top scientists making a specious argument about the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2? It seems that the usual-suspect Lancet authors who were trotted out to dismiss the “bioweapon conspiracy theory” are the same kind of so-called scientists as the NIST “experts” who assured us that WTC-7 miraculously disappeared at free-fall into its own footprint due to minor office fires.

Kevin Barrett: Truth Jihad Radio is often the best place to go for the most important stories that the mainstream won’t cover. Today I’m talking to Meryl Nass. She’s an expert who has written a very important article about how the propaganda push by very suspicious scientists to claim that Covid-19 couldn’t possibly be bioweaponized is a red flag that everybody should be paying attention to.

But you won’t see anything about this in the corporate controlled mainstream Mockingbird media. So please help this kind of material continue to come to light, by subscribing to DrKevinBarrett at Patreon.com.

Welcome to Truth Jihad Radio. I’m Kevin Barrett searching fearlessly for truth in all of the most forbidden places, bringing on people who are also going to those kinds of places. And sometimes I find genuine experts on various subjects. And we have one of those with us today, Meryl Nass. She is definitely one of the go-to experts on biological warfare related topics. Yet for some reason, the mainstream media isn’t going to her. I wonder why that would be. Maybe because the things she wrote about the anthrax attacks back in 2001 were a little bit too truthful. Anyway, she’s got some very interesting posts up now at her anthrax vaccine blog. But first, before we jump into that, let me just say that when I say she’s an expert: She has consulted for the World Bank. She’s testified to Congress. She diagnosed Zimbabwe’s 1978 anthrax epidemic as an episode of biological warfare. She’s consulted for Cuba’s Ministry of Health on its optic and peripheral neuropathy epidemic, and on and on. So she has a pretty good, solid basis for her views.

And she recently posted what I thought was a critically important piece “Why are some of the US’ top scientists making a specious argument about the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2?” pointing out, why is this that the top U.S. scientists are being trumpeted all over the media, making a specious argument about the natural origin of Sars CoV-2. So why are they, Meryl? Why is it that they’re telling us this could not possibly be a bioweapon, and yet obviously it could?

Meryl Nass: Well, that’s the $64,000 question, isn’t it? Maybe we should go back and explain what I’m aware of that happened. Sometime in late February, a group of scientists, which included the former head of the National Science Foundation and a former top person at CDC, as well as a bunch of other people, many of whom had worked in the biological defense / biological warfare area— possibly all of them had—published a very short statement in The Lancet saying they wanted to stand with the Chinese public health officials and scientists and point out that rumors about the unnatural origin of coronavirus were a conspiracy theory and should be dismissed. They didn’t provide evidence, but they made this very strong statement in the top medical journal in the world, The Lancet. And so, OK. I have to say that the first author—and it was alphabetical, so this is the first author alphabetically who signed that—is someone that I was told about 27 years ago when I consulted in Cuba, when they had a very severe epidemic of blindness and other neurologic symptoms. And it turned out it was due to cyanide.

Anyway, they named this particular person, this researcher, as having come to Cuba and identified the fact that there were Aedes mosquitoes in Cuba. Which the person had not been aware of. And shortly thereafter, the Cubans were attacked with the illness Dengue, which is a viral disease transmitted by a Aedes mosquitoes. So the Cubans blame this person who worked for a federal agency for their Dengue outbreak.

There were two. They were the first in 100 years, I think, in the Western Hemisphere. And if I remember correctly, this was a long time ago, about 150 or more Cubans died, mostly small children, as a result of the Dengue epidemics. So I thought, that’s interesting that this bio-warrior is signing a statement saying that the core idea that the coronavirus might be due to a biological warfare construct should be dismissed outright as a conspiracy theory.

Kevin Barrett: Wow. What a coincidence, that that would be the guy who would do that. You say he’s the first author alphabetically?

Meryl Nass: Yes.

Kevin Barrett: Well, we can figure out who that is then.

Meryl Nass: A group of five scientists, and I knew of several of them. I’ve been in contact with at least one of them in the past, and they too were sort of biological defense, biological warfare people. Well, let me just say two of them I would call spooks with Ph.Ds, who have come out and done research on a whole very odd collection of subjects, all of which the US government has tried to cover up in the past. So I’ll just name some of those things: Gulf War Syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, anthrax vaccine induced illnesses, autism, Ebola, and coronavirus. So that’s an odd group of different things that you might be researching and writing about. But oddly enough, a couple of these scientists have chosen that obscure group of things that are somewhat unrelated to each other to comment about. And so these five scientists wrote a piece in Nature Medicine which claimed to have found the scientific linchpin to be able to make the argument that the new coronavirus is a natural occurrence. And the argument they made was that had it been constructed in the lab, it would have used the particular backbone that laboratorians know about. But because it didn’t have that backbone, it couldn’t possibly be a lab construct.

The problem with that argument is basically it was a straw man argument. They said, well, if I were going to make the novel coronavirus, I would have made it this way. But because it isn’t made that way, it’s not a lab construct. Of course, you can make the novel coronavirus a lot of different ways. And I pointed out three different ways one might have come up with a novel coronavirus that weren’t using the method they suggested.

And I’ve gotten confirmation. I’m a physician, I’m not a scientist, but I did work in a lab. I went to M.I.T.. So I do know biology, although I am not well versed in modern genetic engineering. But I do know a lot about how biological weapons used to be made, how they were made before and during World War 2 and afterwards. And there were very effective biological weapons made and used in the period around World War 2 and subsequent to it that are documented in the literature. There are no books telling you what’s been made in the last 10 years. But we know a lot about what was made 50 to 80 years ago.

So I then looked at the connections between the first group of scientists who had published in The Lancet and the second group that had published in Nature Medicine and found that…well, for example, that the person I mentioned before who had been to Cuba and looked at the Aedes mosquitoes, even though that person is now of the retirement age, is a member of the institute of one of the second authors. And I saw other connections between these two groups.

Kevin Barrett: Sounds like the usual suspects.

Meryl Nass: Yes, exactly. It seemed that the second group, anyway, the guys who were trotted out to provide the last word on all these other controversial medical subjects had been again trotted out to provide the last word. Then I thought, who else is talking about this? And when I looked that up, I found the head of the NIH, Dr. Francis Collins, an MD-Ph.D, cited the work of these five scientists to say basically now we’ve proven that this is a natural occurrence and everyone can forget about the conspiracy theory. And he further said if you’re if you’re concerned about what you read about coronavirus, just go to the FEMA website where they are telling you what is a rumor and what isn’t. So I thought, well, that’s interesting that the policy makers or the people who pull the strings are able to pull Francis Collins’ strings and get him to comment on this, again agreeing with an argument that he must have known to be specious.

Kevin Barrett: You don’t have to comment on this, but this sure reminds me of what’s been going on post-9/11, with first the ridiculous FEMA report on the so-called collapses of the Trade Center towers and then the NIST reports culminating in the most absurd one of all, the NIST report on Building 7. Throughout that whole process, the usual suspect so-called scientists were putting out utter baloney and rubber stamping it, and all the officials were rubber stamping it mindlessly, and any independent voices speaking common sense and truth were marginalized.

Meryl Nass: Yes. So that is of course what’s happening here. And it’s very helpful, it seems, to be able to identify them as this same group, the same group who can be used over and over and over again over decades to whitewash what the system wants whitewashed. And then you look at their grants. Ugh! Some of these people are making unbelievable grants.

Kevin Barrett: They’re probably flying on Epstein’s Lolita Express and things like that, too.

Meryl Nass: That I did not look up.

Kevin Barrett: I wouldn’t be surprised, anyway.

Meryl Nass: There is a lot of money flowing through their laboratories. So anyway, the final point I made was that every scientist who signed these two documents and then Francis Collins has had something to do with biological defense. If you’re a top scientist in the U.S. government, you are asked to look into pandemics and the risk that they could be due to a biological weapon. And so as far as I could tell, virtually all these people have had some background in looking at these things. And they’re all old. They all remember the days before the last three decades of genetic engineering and they all must realize, if they have any competence as scientists, that there are other ways to create biological agents, microorganisms. And so for them to all have signed this, knowing that, just makes you wonder—why did they do this?

They presumably did it because they had some sense that it was a lab organism. Perhaps it was a lab escape and perhaps they were trying to protect the whole enterprise of biological defense, which is a multibillion dollar yearly industry that feeds many, many people, including themselves.

Kevin Barrett: I would argue that’s a relatively innocent explanation. There are worse ones than that.

Meryl Nass: The interesting thing is that all these countries do research together. So China, US, (former) Soviet Union, Ukraine… All different countries send people to labs in other countries to work on micro-organisms. So you can put your finger on people from many different countries who were working on bat coronaviruses in labs around the world. And this could have been a lab escape from many different places. I mean, it could have been a deliberate attack. But in my understanding of biological warfare, no country used a biological agent against another country if they didn’t think they could control it. If they thought it might blow back onto their country, it wouldn’t be used. So historically, I don’t think this is the kind of agent that would deliberately be used at a nation level.

Kevin Barrett: Let me just give you a possible opposing argument. John Mearsheimer wrote in, I believe 2015, in a very famous article about China’s unpeaceful rise that said, in so many words, the US is stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of trying to contain China’s rise, which is based on its double digit growth averaging out since 1980 or so. And that that growth inevitably is pushing China to break out of U.S. containment in Asia and become a regional hegemon, which is unacceptable to U.S. decision makers. And more likely, it will actually “pose global challenges” meaning displace the U.S. as global hegemon as well, simply based on its economic growth, which now has supposedly slowed to maybe 8 percent. But still, the differential between that and the U.S. and its Western allies is such that within a decade or two, at the very most, it’s a done deal. As long as there is no huge history-changing event that radically ends this trajectory that we’re on and that there’s no obvious way off of, the US essentially will acquiesce to Chinese global hegemony. And that is 100 percent unacceptable, even to sensible realists like Mearsheimer, much less the neocon fanatical crazies at places like PNAC looking for a new American century.

And those people did 9/11-anthrax and they’re back in power in the Trump administration. So Mearsheimer says that the only way to stop China’s rise is essentially to destroy the global economy. He says even wrecking the U.S. economy along with the global economy would would be worth it because security is more important than prosperity. And this is a relatively sensible guy writing back in 2015.

I’ve argued with Ron Unz about this. He he thinks it would have been a U.S. attack designed not to escape China, like previous U.S. (bio-)attacks on China. But I don’t see why they would be particularly averse to it escaping, going global and doing precisely what it’s doing, because it is doing exactly what they want, which is destroying the global(ized) economy, which ultimately in the long run stops China’s displacing the U.S. And number two, it militarizes the United States even more than 9/11 did. And they want to bring us back to the thirties and head towards a World War 2 situation to stop China, although they hope it may not be necessary to go that far. So basically, if the neocons didn’t invent coronavirus, they would have had to invent some (similar) virus or its equivalent. This is precisely what one would have predicted five years ago would happen.

Meryl Nass: That’s a reasonable argument. But the economy is not being totally destroyed. It’s just that factories are, closed, people aren’t going to work. Nothing’s been destroyed. When we come out of this, China will still have all the factories and we will have all the monetarists and all the play money. So it seems like China could get its engines going a lot quicker than we can when we come out of it.

Kevin Barrett: We won’t come out of it.

Meryl Nass: So if we don’t come out of it, then it’s not what the neocons chose.

Kevin Barrett: They don’t want to come out of it. They want to wreck global prosperity while the U.S. still has most of the military hardware.

Meryl Nass: I’m sorry. I guess I don’t understand that.

Kevin Barrett: Well, OK, first we could go to the neocon philosophy, which is that human flourishing only occurs during extreme situations of stress, suffering, struggle and strife epitomized by warfare. So for them, the only real purpose of human life is all out war to the death. And that’s where heroic qualities emerge from human beings who are otherwise lazy and worthless. That’s their basic philosophy of life. And then secondly—

Meryl Nass: No, wait a minute. If that’s the neocon philosophy of life, why were they all chickenhawks? Have any of them gone to war?

Kevin Barrett: Well, that’s the point. They’re projecting these fantasies in the privacy of their studies and their twisted, warped imaginations. But yeah, they’re happy to inflict this suffering and struggle and death on everybody else. And they want the other guy to be the one to die, of course. And so I assume that they’re planning to not be casualties of this disaster that they’re setting off. But setting the philosophical thing aside, I think that strategically they are really planning for this to take down the current globalized economy, to force countries to go back to more localized manufacturing, certainly to follow Trump’s and Kissinger’s neocon agenda, the anti-China agenda of bringing back manufacturing to the US.

Meryl Nass: And is there anything wrong with that? That seems to me a worthy goal.

Kevin Barrett: Well, actually, yes, I would support bringing back manufacturing. I would support never having sent it to China in the first place. However, it’s in the context of their plan to stop China’s rise. And China is just as committed to its rise as these guys are to stopping it. Which means a lot of danger of war and unpleasantness. And I think this is just the first shot of what’s going to be a long round of war and unpleasantness through the next decade.

Meryl Nass: Perhaps. Right. We don’t know. Another thing I’ve written is that the whole reason this (pandemic) is (being) stopped. My theory is that, I’ve tried to think like a politician—and I did write this before the lockdown—which is that what would have happened once this coronavirus had spread widely in the US, is that had it not been halted, we would have gotten to a point where the coronavirus had required way more medical facilities, personnel, equipment, etc. than we had, and there would be people dying without access to any medical care. And I thought that given that in America, based on polls, the one thing Americans want from their government is a health care system, and that the idea of people dying in the street without being able to get into a hospital was so beyond the pale for politicians who saw that they would never be re-elected under those circumstances, that they then did everything they could to stop that from happening. And by the point they decided to do something, the only thing that could be done was a lockdown. And then finally attempting to get more equipment, supplies and personnel.

Kevin Barrett: So, yeah, I agree, that’s plausible.

Meryl Nass: That’s what happened. And I’m sure everybody is trying to now use this very extraordinary circumstance to their own benefit in the near and far future.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, I agree. We’ll see. The thing is, if if you were planning this thing, assuming that my scenario and your scenario are both true, a very small group of people would have unleashed it, and then everybody else would be reacting according to their own self-interest, including the politicians doing precisely what you described.

Meryl Nass: Yeah, that’s certainly possible.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah. And I’m using as my model for this 9/11, which is what I’ve studied quite a lot over the past nearly two decades. And I see parallels here between the two events in that 9/11 was about going to war with Islamic civilization, just as this seems to be a strike against Chinese civilization—both occurring in the wake of the Samuel Huntington—Bernard Lewis claim that “the clash of civilizations will be the new paradigm for us.” And if it hadn’t been for 9/11, that probably wouldn’t have happened. There would’ve been no clash of civilizations per se.

Meryl Nass: I think, yes, you’re right. And yet it looks like China is going to get out of this way more unscathed than we are.

Kevin Barrett: That’s possible. Of course, you know, “they plot and Allah plots and Allah is the best of plotters.” Ron Unz may be right that some of this may have been unforeseen. And it’s also possible that I could be wrong. It could be a coincidence. Sometimes the coincidence theorists, even the craziest coincidence theorists, can be right once in awhile.

Meryl Nass: Well, yes, given the fact that there are documented many hundreds of lab escapes of different organisms, going by what’s most likely, that seems to be the most likely explanation.

Kevin Barrett: Do you think that’s what happened with Lyme disease? Willy Burgdorfer, whose name was applied to the spirochete organism that causes Lyme, is on record, filmed and recorded by Timothy Grey, confessing that he, Burgdorfer not only provided a name for the organism, but he unleashed it on the world as a U.S. biodefense guy. So a lot of people think Lyme was an external escape. Others hypothesize there may have been some U.S. versus Soviet element there, because Burgdorfer had a lot of money he was getting from somebody, and he was flying to places where he might have been meeting with Russians, et cetera. So have you looked into the Lyme issue?

Meryl Nass: I have. So there’s a book which goes into Burgdorfer quite a bit that came out last year by Kris Newby.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah. Bitten.

Meryl Nass: And then there is a very old book about Plum Island by a guy named Mike Carroll. My reading of Chris Newby’s book is that Burgdorfer admitted that there’s information he was not telling. And then after he died, Kris was able to see that he did have money in foreign banks that there was no explanation for. But the full story of Willy Burgdorfer has not been told.

Lyme disease of the type we have in the U.S. and was not apparently not around until the 70s, when it was first diagnosed. The small deer ticks also were very uncommon. And now they are the primary tick in the northeast where I live. Treating tick borne diseases as the primary thing I do now.

Kevin Barrett: Really? I should have met you 10 years ago. I was suffering from a fairly nasty case of Lyme at that time.

Meryl Nass: Yeah. We have a lot of Lyme. We have a moderate amount of Babesia. We have a lot of Anaplasma in Maine. And then we have we have other Borrelias. We have quite a variety of tick borne diseases. And we have a Bartonella-like organism. And when you treat them with the appropriate antibiotics for those—you can get more than one infection from one bite, and I live in Hancock County, Maine, where we’ve had the highest rates of Lyme in the country—so if you do treat it correctly and you make sure you are not ignoring the Babesia and Bartonella-like organisms, you have a high rate of success.

Kevin Barrett: That’s interesting. I briefly told the story of my experience with Lyme in that book review I did of Newby’s Bitten and two other books. So do you think that it likely would have been an accidental escape from Plum Island?

Meryl Nass: Who knows. Kris Newby showed that there were deliberate releases of ticks in New England, probably to see what they did, whether they would extend their range or disappear, probably. And there were experiments using ticks on Plum Island.

Also there were releases from Burgdorfer’s lab in Montana, which is part of NIAID or part of the NIH. But why is it out in Montana? And the CDC has a lab in Fort Collins, Colorado. And both these labs may have done biological warfare work. But there may have been many, many labs around the United States which have done biological defense. You’re not supposed to use the word biological warfare anymore because the United States signed a treaty in 1972 which went into effect in 1975 that said we wouldn’t do any more biological warfare work. So now it’s all termed biological defense, but much of it is dual use.

Kevin Barrett: What could be done to actually limit and stop this activity and limit the dangers from this activity? I’m thinking that the current COVID-19 pandemic should be a wakeup call, that we need to find some way to put some teeth into the treaty.

Meryl Nass: Thank you. Which (is what) I’ve been saying since I researched the anthrax epidemic in Zimbabwe, which occurred in 1978 to 1981. But still there are outbreaks every couple of years in Zimbabwe because so much anthrax was left in the soil there. So, yes, I think I think it’s a huge problem. There’ve been so many accidental releases from around the world, both in China, in the United States, and in other countries. The Marburg—Marburg is like Ebola. And there was a Marburg outbreak in, I believe, Germany maybe in the 80s. I have to I have to look these things up. But that was, again, an outbreak within a hospital lab that was studying the virus. We’ve had people die from anthrax at Fort Detrick, although that was in the 1950s. We’ve had people who worked at Fort Dietrich wind up in the hospital in Frederick, Maryland, thinking they caught a bug and they had caught a bug at Fort Detrick. A very unusual bug. Anyway, SARS has escaped from labs in China more than once.

USA Today has researched this and done a series on it in the past. And also the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has sometimes written about lab escapes. There were lab escapes of anthrax at the CDC labs. No lab is free of this. NIH and the FDA have found vials of what you might call biological warfare agents such as smallpox in their freezers and nobody remembers when it was left there. There are just enormous possibilities for things to get out. And so what we need is a much better treaty than the one we signed in 1972, which the U.S. initiated, because that one does not have teeth. It doesn’t have enforcement mechanisms. It did not when it was first signed, no inspection mechanisms. But still, now there is some ability to inspect, but there’s nothing strong enough. The treaty has no teeth. The treaty is basically meaningless and provides cover to the countries that have signed it. I think Israel hasn’t even signed it. We need to get rid of the whole concept of biological defense and biological warfare from the earth. We need to impose tremendous penalties on the scientists, the manufacturers, the government planners, everybody involved in this, so we don’t have to deal with this again.

Kevin Barrett: To me, that sounds like a complete no brainer. And the more you look into the history of the use of these things, and the more you learn about the advances in genetic engineering, the more you realize that this could be right up there with a handful of other really huge threats that people need to take a lot more seriously. And certainly this is a good moment to try to wake people up. But as you say, the establishment usual suspects are being trotted out to tell us, oh, no, this couldn’t possibly be a biological weapon. Don’t worry about biological weapons. They’re perfectly harmless.

Meryl Nass: Exactly.

Kevin Barrett: You know, it’s it’s it’s almost comical. It’s so ridiculous. But that’s the world we live in, I guess.

Meryl Nass: Right. And they are the people who get their bread and butter from doing this.

Kevin Barrett: Wow. Well, it’s a dirty job, but they I guess they say somebody has got to do it, but I’m not sure why they do. It’s one of those too-dirty jobs.

Meryl Nass: It’s well-rewarded.

Kevin Barrett: Oh, boy. Well, let’s go back and talk a little bit about the anthrax case, because you wrote a very perceptive piece way back in 2001 about that. And you know, I’ve studied that. And I agree with Graham McQueen’s hypothesis that it looks like the 9/11 hijacker patsies were sheep-dipped in anthrax. They were treated in Florida during the run up to 9/11.

Meryl Nass: One of them. Treated for a lesion, a skin lesion, which Tara O’Toole and Tom Inglesby later claimed—they’re also biodefense mavens, both physicians. But they didn’t see the patient. They are also biodefense mavens who get their money through creating scenarios of biological warfare attacks and how we would respond. So anyway, these two people who are deep into the biowarfare establishment claimed much later that one of the alleged hijackers of 9/11 had had a skin lesion consistent with anthrax. And that was the hook that connected them to the anthrax letters. Now, there had never been a culture of the lesion. There was no evidence of any kind. Anything with a black scab on it could have been said to have looked like anthrax. So this was just a spurious sort of claim, but it got a lot of media.

Kevin Barrett: It echoes the Mohamed Atta visit to the Small Business Administration. Do you remember that?

Meryl Nass: Yes. Right. And then he started screaming. Nobody in their right mind behaves in this way unless they’re trying to create a sheep-dipped image of somebody else.

Kevin Barrett: “Mohamed Atta” visits the Small Business Administration and demands, how much was, half a million dollars in cash? He won’t leave the office until he’s given half a million in cash to buy a crop duster airplane. And then I think even mentions anthrax doesn’t he. Or maybe not. But he wants money for a cropduster airplane. He’s ranting about how wonderful bin Laden is. And then he says he also won’t leave the office until they tear down the aerial photo of Washington, D.C. from behind the desk and give it to him because he needs it. You know, you can’t make this stuff up.

Meryl Nass: Yeah, I know. I know. Shades of Lee Harvey Oswald at the Russian embassy.

Kevin Barrett: Right. And test driving the car at over 125 miles an hour ranting about how great Castro is. And then at the rifle range, the guy who looks sort of like Oswald probably wasn’t Oswald, firing at all the other guys’ targets and screaming about how great Castro is. These people aren’t particularly subtle.

Meryl Nass: You wonder how many clues they left behind, to have a few of them pop up. But you’re right. They lack imagination.

Kevin Barrett: So with the anthrax case, obviously Bruce Ivans looks like he was a suicided patsy. And what about the Dr. Assad vs. Philip Zack scenario. I’ve kind of always wondered whether to accept this notion that Philip Zack and other Zionist people there who were harassing their Arab and Muslim co-workers like Dr. Assad (at Fort Detrick) by creating a so-called Camel Club were, in fact, anthrax perpetrators, or as you suggest in your article, that whoever did the anthrax was using this as a cover story to falsely implicate the Camel Club and Philip Zack. Because whoever did the anthrax attack must have been the one who wrote the letter trying to cast blame on Dr. Assad, who’d had a fallout with the Zionists of the Camel Club when he was working at Fort Detrick. But the question is, was it in fact Philip Zack and the Camel Club or was it just somebody who knew about that but wanted to falsely implicate them?

Meryl Nass: For your listeners who may not remember all the details of these people: Many years later there there appeared to be little bits of evidence implicating a number of different scientists in the anthrax letters attack. So a letter was sent to Quantico, which is both a Marine base and an FBI center, alleging that a doctor Assad who had worked at Fort Detrick, but in virology—anthrax is a bacterium, not a virus, and generally, you’re either a virologist or a bacteriologist, and Assad was a virologist—in any event, he’d worked at Fort Detrick and he and some other workers there had not been friends, and there was alleged to have been a Camel Club where the others kind of made fun of him. I have no inside knowledge of any of that. But he had left Fort Detrick and hit them with a discrimination lawsuit.

And then there had been a doctor Zack, who supposedly was having an affair with a woman scientist at Fort Detrick. And he was coming in at night. So anyway, this was all before the anthrax letters. When the anthrax letters were sent, a letter was sent to Quantico, an anonymous letter, providing lots of details of Assad and sort of suggesting that he was the person who sent the anthrax. But the thing was, the letter was sent before there were anthrax cases. So the person who sent that letter knew the anthrax was coming. And so they should have been implicated in the anthrax letters. And there should have been strong efforts to figure out who that person was. They also knew the story about Assad and Zack and the Camel Club suggesting that they either had worked at Fort Detrick or or knew details of the story, knew details about Assad’s family that they wouldn’t have known unless they had been part of that group. What was odd was that the FBI chose to ignore the letter. I think they brought in Dr. Assad for questioning, but they, at least in the media, they never made any attempt to identify who sent the letter and what its purpose was.

And I would say that it just suggests there was somebody with a lot of knowledge who wrote that letter. I would not suggest that either Zack or Assad is likely to have had anything to do with the anthrax letters. I don’t know what Zack’s role was at Ft. Detrick, but he was long gone before the anthrax letters were sent.

But there were also efforts to implicate other people. So Steve Hatfill had lived in Harare. Steve Hatfill had a peculiar career. He he went to some small college, I think in Indiana. And then he dropped out and he dropped into the middle of southern Africa, working at a mission. And then later he marries the daughter of the doctor at the mission and the doctor at the mission is killed by local mercenaries or troops of some kind. Now, how does a college student—I as a college student dropout hitchhiked across Africa, and I can tell you, I stayed at a lot of church missions in my travels. There were very few young Americans winding up at these missions and then working there. He had no training. He wasn’t medical. He was a college dropout and winds up working in a mission where his father-in-law gets murdered later on. And then he winds up going to medical school in Rhodesia. It was then Rhodesia. It became Zimbabwe in 1981. That Rhodesian medical school didn’t accept non-Rhodesians. It’s hard to get into medical school but somehow this guy got in. So I’d like to know who got him in. What connection did he have with intelligence agencies even going back that far?

So he goes to Rhodesia, goes to medical school and was disliked by his classmates. I had one of his classmates tell me he pulled a gun on a teacher once after failing an exam. I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s what I was told. Many people did not like him. He was a bullshitter and very rough.

Kevin Barrett: The intelligence agencies actually like those kind of people, the kind of borderline sociopathic types.

Meryl Nass: Right. Well, he turned out to be a very good person to try to pin the crime on because he had so many people who didn’t like him and were ready to tell the story. So he had lived in Rhodesia in Harare. And Greendale is one of those portions of Harare. I’ve been to Harare. I wrote my paper about the anthrax attacks in Zimbabwe, which was published in 1992. And so people wondered, did this guy who was in Rhodesia in the early 80s have anything to do with those anthrax attacks? And I have found no evidence that he had anything to do with them, or any other part of the Rhodesian biological warfare project, which was ongoing.

Rhodesia had broken away as a territory of the UK in 1965. And then between 1965 and 1980, there was a civil war going on for majority rule in Rhodesia, which was fairly smouldering until the last five years. And then a much more active chemical and biological warfare program got going, used against the blacks, which I documented in my paper and has been documented elsewhere.

Kevin Barrett: Killing off cattle herds with anthrax.

Meryl Nass: Killing off cattle herds and killing off people, using a variety of agents, which included rat poison and probably cholera and hepatitis as well as anthrax, thallium, maybe other things.

Kevin Barrett: Nice people.

Meryl Nass: Yeah. Oh, sorry. Nerve agents also. But but there’s no evidence that Hatfill was involved in any of this. But the fact that he was there around that time was, I guess itself something that people talked about.

So anyway, one of the letters had Greendale as its return address. And Greendale was near where he lived. So they said, oh, Hatfill came up with this name Greendale. Another of the letters was supposedly sent from Malaysia where he had a Malaysian girlfriend at the time, and I think a third had been sent from London or the UK when he was in the UK for a conference. So it looked like he was being set up to take the blame. Like Assad who had been set up to maybe take the blame. Maybe Zack was set up. And then there were a couple of other scientists. One in New Jersey was a physician, but had worked in biodefense. And he was investigated. There were some Muslim doctors, I think around Pennsylvania, who investigated. And then there was an anthrax doctor who was investigated and then started drinking heavily and died young from alcoholism.

This started in 2001 and the case wasn’t really closed until 2010, 2011. And the G.A.O. filed its report in 2014. The reason being that there was never anyone who could be proven to have done this, probably because it wasn’t just one person. And because the FBI had no interest in finding the actual perpetrator, but rather in trying to find someone they could pin it on successfully.

Kevin Barrett: And to my mind, the most obvious reason for that would be that this was a national security operation, probably authorized from the highest levels. It’s part of the 9/11/anthrax coup. Why else would there be such a push to protect the real perpetrators and to go to all of this trouble to try to falsely implicate patsies and scapegoats?

Meryl Nass: I can’t disagree.

Kevin Barrett: Well, that brings us back to the present facing the COVID-19 pandemic and similar attempts to obfuscate the fact that this could be a biological weapon. And I know you said you’re not a modern up-to-date genetic engineering specialist. I’m not either. But seeing all of these people, these usual suspects, screaming in unison, “this couldn’t be a biological weapon because the obvious way to create such a biological weapon would be to use this particular backbone,” you don’t even need any specialized knowledge to ask yourself, well, if somebody were trying to do a deniable biological weapon attack, if you’re gonna be doing biological weapons attacks on a major scale, you’d probably want it deniable. Otherwise it’s going to bounce back against you—not only by mutating and targeting your people, but it’s also going to bounce back against you in the PR battle. So obviously, to make it deniable, you wouldn’t use the obvious method of the backbone. You’d find some other method. Am I being too simplistic here?

Meryl Nass: No, you’re not. In fact, my study of biological warfare, which has extended over decades, (shows) that the biological warfare warrior never chooses an (obvious) weapon. They always require plausible deniability. When I wrote my paper in 1992, I suggested that one way to investigate the use of something like the anthrax in Zimbabwe was to look at its genetics and see where the anthrax that was used actually came from.

So that’s 28 years ago. People have known you could do that for a long time. It’s ridiculous to claim that only if you used an easily discoverable method of producing a biological weapon would it be successful; or you wouldn’t have done it any other way. I mean, it’s such a simplistic argument. You wonder, couldn’t they have come up with a better argument? Is that all they’re left with? Because any scientist could see through it in a moment.

Kevin Barrett: Again, shades of the controlled demolition arguments after 9/11. So how how can the world try to trace COVID-19? Looking for patient zero? Assuming that if this is a biological weapon, it wouldn’t be produced in such a way as to make it too obvious. So what what alternative means are there to to try to determine this?

Meryl Nass: Well, they’re trying to figure out in Italy—if the powers that be allow them—when did they in fact first have cases in Italy? And I would suggest that Iran do that. And other places. And try to find out whether the lesions in the lungs that were killing people last fall might have been due to coronavirus.

And then if you can actually get the actual virus, which they may or may not be able to do from digging up a buried body, but if there are labs that have virus from people who died of an organizing pneumonia back last fall or earlier, that would be helpful. Because you can see how many generations back it goes, how closely it matches the early strains from China or the early strains from the United States? That’s certainly one way to do it.

Another is for all many labs around the world that were working on, coronaviruses to be forced to open up their books and their samples. I don’t know if that’s possible, because they’ve likely destroyed a lot already. But to figure out from all the scientists—probably they haven’t murdered all the scientists yet—what did they in fact have? Not what they published. You don’t publish a paper saying you’re working on biological weapons. You publish papers saying you’re working on benign things. The biological weapons labs are black labs in which the scientists may be able to publish certain of their work but not all of it.

There are certainly government agencies in every country that know where all these labs are. And were there to be a worldwide revulsion for this type of work and a worldwide coming together to say “no more” I think there are certainly there are ways we could probably end this in the future.

Kevin Barrett: That sounds like a good place to end because we have hit the end of our hour. Is there a particular place where people can go to join a campaign to end biological weapons?

Meryl Nass: There isn’t yet, I hope. I hope somebody will form that campaign. There were organizations that worked on this years ago. I was a member of the Council for Responsible Genetics. But that organization died. And there just hasn’t been a big push in the last couple of decades to move this forward, unfortunately. What happened was that the Biological Weapons Convention got started right before the advent of genetic engineering. Genetic engineering was basically discovered at Stanford in 73. And the United States under Nixon unilaterally gave up its biological warfare program in 1970, wrote the treaty in 1972, and then circulated it around the world where over 100 countries signed and it went into force in 1975. After that, people realized that the advent of genetic engineering techniques made it even easier to create new bugs. And, you know, we should have eschewed their development.

And after that, there just hasn’t been a lot of interest. There’s so much money! It’s probably been over 100 billion dollars spent since 9/11 on the enterprise of so-called biological defense, which includes biological warfare and biological defense, that everybody, all the scientists are making money.

Kevin Barrett: It looks like it’s gonna be a tough one. But we sure need to bring back that that committee for responsible genetics or something like it. Because right now, as we’ve learned that that Lyme was a bio weapon, and given the likelihood that COVID-19 is a bio weapon—and certainly their lame denials are just making that even more likely—this would be a great time to restart that campaign. Thank you so much. Meryl Nass, I appreciate your sharing your expertise with us, as disturbing as it may be, and I look forward to staying in touch.

Meryl Nass: Thank you. You, too.

 
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  1. The hysterical panic at least was created in a lab to attack Trump by hurting the economy with “lockdowns”.

    Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts

    …Of the more than 92,000 Americans who had died of COVID-19…75,000 were in Democratic congressional districts.

    …Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats, while three are represented by Republicans.

    …About two-thirds (68%) of the 44 least affected districts – the bottom 10%, with an average 13 deaths in each district – are represented by Republicans in Congress.

    MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace: Trump getting hurt politically is ‘silver lining’ to coronavirus pandemic

    Bill Maher: This economy is going pretty well…I feel tike the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it because I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your Democracy.

    • Agree: SBaker, Wally, Neoconned
    • Replies: @anon
    , @refl
    , @Neoconned
  2. eah says:

    The Unz Review has been blacklisted by Facebook and Google in apparent retaliation for its articles exploring the COVID-19 bioweapon hypothesis, …

    I guess the key word is “apparent”.

    Have you seen/read this piece by Unz? –> What Google and Facebook Are Hiding

    In it there is a link to a FB doc giving the reason for their action against unz.com (not sure about Google), and it says nothing about “COVID-19 bioweapon” — given that at the moment platform providers are censoring some COVID-19 content, e.g. content that does not conform to WHO info, and they are generally not shy about admitting that, why would FB give another reason? — why would FB need/use a pretext?

    I just searched for “COVID-19 bioweapon” on both duckduckgo.com and bing.com, then scrolled quite a way thru results from both — I did not see any results for unz.com using those search sites either.

  3. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:

    Assuming Covid-19 is man-made, the CIA probably thought the following:

    Take a naturally-occurring bat virus and select it to spread rapidly among humans. Because it comes from bats, it will have a longer generation time in humans, allowing huge numbers of people to become infected before symptoms present (it was first noticed in November but only blew up in December). Then, suddenly, a huge number of people all die at once, spooking an enemy’s markets and crashing their economy, if not causing social unrest that results in an overthrow of the government. And because it comes from a virus that causes the common cold, it probably won’t kill any more people than the flu does. Those who die will be mostly the elderly — dead wood anyway. So there isn’t much chance of retaliation after it’s over. It will happen quickly and then go away quickly just like a common cold, and it will look natural. Since China contained the SARS virus, they’ll probably contain this, too. Regardless, we’ll tell Trump in November that we have this virus thing spreading around which will give him ample time to prepare.

    But they didn’t count on Donald Trump being a complete imbecile who would refuse to prepare for weeks, downplaying it as a hoax and being nothing more than the flu. He was repeatedly warned at the highest levels well in advance by both the CDC and the intelligence community but decided to do nothing in response. Also, the boomer CIA officials who ordered it probably didn’t count on it killing as many people as it has and probably will eventually. That’s what happens when your agents go to Wikipedia and come away thinking “hey, that’s a great idea.” I wonder who ended up at the bottom of a river for this?

    Researcher ‘on verge of very significant’ coronavirus findings shot to death

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/researcher-on-verge-of-very-significant-coronavirus-findings-shot-to-death/ar-BB13Fcfd

    It’s also possible Mike Pompeo was telling the truth about the evidence he’s seen indicating the virus came from a lab (just not the Wuhan lab). Sometimes, one hand of the government doesn’t know what the other hand is doing for plausible deniability and secrecy purposes. Pompeo might have backed off his claim once he realized what the true origin might have been. Now, suddenly, he backs the Nature hypothesis after claiming to have seen evidence to the contrary. Strange. Possibly, he was lying all along … but what if he was telling the truth but didn’t realize the implication?

    And as to the claim Google acted as an arm of the government to censor this hypothesis:

    Google’s Hidden CIA Connection – The Full Story

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Kf-rXI_pk

  4. anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The hysterical panic at least was created in a lab to attack Trump by hurting the economy with “lockdowns”.

    Sure. The deepstate wanted to harm their own interests and end American global dominance by hurting a guy who was going to lose anyway. Makes sense. /s

    Maybe that kind of comment is why the CIA thought they could fool Americans.

    EU: ‘End of American-led’ World and Rise of China ‘Happening Before Our Eyes’

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/05/25/eu-end-of-american-led-world-and-rise-of-china-happening-before-our-eyes/

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Herald
  5. I don’t get it. Why would the MIC–ours or anyone’s–bother to engineer a bio-weapon that doesn’t kill many people. This ‘plague’ is a dud. I mean, I know the MIC likes to waste money, but would they actually see fit to re-invent the flu? Strange.

    • Replies: @one_for_truth
  6. miltn says:

    It never occurred to China that perhaps they were allowed to steal the virus vials — you know, the ones marked ‘don’t steal’? It’s normal for them to accept funding from enemy/competitor states and/or freelance traitor agencies such as CDC or NIH? Too naive to recognize a setup?

    • Replies: @Nerd
  7. SBaker says:

    Ron is a bit out of his element, pretending to be a bioweapons expert, then this wild conspiracy superstitious nonsense that someone besides the Chicoms is really the guilty party. There is no truth, no facts, no evidence, just another conspiracy.

    • Troll: Harold Smith, Alfred
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Really No Shit
  8. Too late for Trump to deal with Jewish Tech.

    Will Trump reverse his views on BDS?

    It’s Jewish Power.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/as-goes-the-holocaust-so-goes-the-west/

    • Agree: Moi
  9. GOP is afraid of Jews. Jews want Big Tech censorship, and GOP is fearful of opposing anything demanded by Jews. Notice GOP did nothing to oppose globo-homomania. Why? Because Jews pushed the agenda.

    Free Speech begins with speaking truth to Jewish Power.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  10. If internet platforms and banks, as private companies, censored or banned Zionism as hate speech against Palestinians, GOP and cuckservatives would be the first ones calling for free speech for Zionists.

    But because platforms and banks are controlled by Jews and cucks, craven GOP supports speech suppression in the name of ‘muh private enterprise’.

  11. @eah

    Let’s assume Ron Unz is right and the deep state is covering up their botched bio-attack on China and Iran. Do you really think they would come right out and announce: “We are taking extreme steps to limit the circulation of the Unz Review in order to curtail discussion of the botched bio-attack on China and Iran” ?! Of course not. They don’t anyone even thinking about anything remotely related to that topic. Their goal would be to maintain a wall of silence around it. So they would invent a completely unrelated excuse, the more unrelated the better, no matter how preposterous. And of course that is exactly what they have done—thereby providing more evidence that Unz is barking up the right tree.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  12. Before inventing a hypothesis about powers and forces and geopolitics forming current events, you really need a historical analog. If it has never happened before, anywhere, any time, then you are making an argument which has a form of this time it is different.

    Biological warfare has no history to speak of. None. You want us to follow this argument you need to get to work compiling evidence. Filing cabinets and hard disk drives full of evidence.

    Who believes there was an anthrax attack in Rwanda in 1984 or whenever it was supposed to be? Or smallpox blankets? This is all (bad) alternative historical fiction. So far.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @Alfred
  13. @Digital Samizdat

    it is much more costly for the target country if the biological attack upon it causes sickness to its population rather than death.

  14. SBaker says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    “Their goal would be to maintain a wall of silence around it. So they would invent a completely unrelated excuse, the more unrelated the better, no matter how preposterous. And of course that is exactly what they have done—thereby providing more evidence that Unz is barking up the right tree.”

    Barking up a tree is more superstition then evidence unless you are a hunting dog. What about names, fingerprints, DNA evidence, contact with someone who was actually there and willing to talk? This is the real world, not superstitious nonsense.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  15. Wally says:
    @anon

    said:
    “The deepstate wanted to harm their own interests and end American global dominance by hurting a guy who was going to lose anyway. Makes sense.”

    – “by hurting a guy who was going to lose anyway“?
    Say what?

    – Heard that before.

    Trump: Knock Knock!
    Hillary: Who’s there?
    Trump: Not you!

    • Replies: @anon
  16. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Say what? – Heard that before.

    The guy lost the popular vote by millions and barely squeaked by in a few battleground states, mostly due to the presence of Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. He got incredibly lucky. It won’t happen again. The demographics are even worse now and Covid-19 is making seniors turn against him. He’s going down in flames. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to save this comment and come back and rub it in my face after election day. Absent Biden croaking from Covid or having an Alzheimer’s meltdown, he’s a shoe in.

  17. If it is some kind of “deep state attack”, then there is the need of a science – oriented article about the faisability or not of micro chiping every individual trough mandatory vaccination. I mean I really Wonder. Is it possible ? There is a lot to say especially on the matter of the functional link between the size of the chip and the power of its emission. The range of detectability… Passive / active …? the type of wave length, the type of receptor then needed for that etc… The lifespan of such a device , its “eventual counter – detectability” by adverse services…there is a lot to say. Is it possible ? Is it serious ? There is a need for a sincere in – depth analysis on that problem for people like me who don’t understand completely it.
    By the way, if we speak of science, good luck to Space x for the fly scheduled tomorrow. Elon Musk : may be the only billionaire I like , or at least who does interesting things. Not too Evil…

    • Replies: @Alfred
  18. @anon

    “Absent Biden croaking from Covid or having an Alzheimer’s meltdown, he’s a shoe in.”

    Heck, even if he does croak from Covid during an Alzheimer’s meltdown, they could just prop up the demented corpse in front of a camera in his basement and who would know the difference.

    If a dead man could beat John Ashcroft, Biden’s corpse can beat Trump.

    https://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/07/senate.missouri/

    • Replies: @anon
  19. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Psychologists from the University of Kent carried out three online studies
    Hundreds of people completed questionnaires on conspiracy beliefs
    They showed conspiracies are likely to be attractive to narcissists
    But while low self-esteem, narcissism and belief in conspiracies are strongly linked, it is not clear that one causes the other, they add

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3482408/Believe-conspiracy-theories-probably-narcissist-People-doubt-moon-landings-likely-selfish-attention-seeking.html

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @Iris
  20. @Morton's toes

    True. Since it’s Ron’s idea, it’s called a hypothesis. When anyone else has an idea, Ron calls it a conspiracy theory. It’s entirely likely that those behind this whole Doomsday Plague Virus Panic wanted to release a killer virus, but they didn’t have one, so they released the IDEA of a killer virus.

    It worked OK as far as these things go.

  21. @anon

    The people who hate conspiracy theories have such low self-esteem that they have to keep running rigged studies designed to make themselves look good and their victims look bad.

    • Agree: FB, acementhead
    • LOL: Biff
  22. Iris says:
    @anon

    They showed conspiracies are likely to be attractive to narcissists

    Indeed. Only a full-blown narcissist amd raving psychopath would dare presenting such a ludicrous conspiracy to the largest gathering of nations:

    • Thanks: Alfred
  23. FB says: • Website

    I hope this will be a serious discussion about the bioweapon angle…

    Really hoping that commenter ‘AnonFromTN’ wades in here…he is a top notch microbiologist who heads up a prominent university lab…

    Great intro by prof Barrett…yes that Nature article was pure bullshit, as even we laymen sniffed out…

    And yes, I’m really interested in the ‘old fashioned’ method of genetic engineering, which would make the most sense…hope we hear from some of the knowledge people here instead of just the usual retards…

    [Although the way things have started, with various blowhards that really have nothing to say, I won’t hold my breath…]

    • Agree: Harold Smith
  24. @SBaker

    “Barking up a tree is more superstition then evidence unless you are a hunting dog. What about names, fingerprints, DNA evidence, contact with someone who was actually there and willing to talk? This is the real world, not superstitious nonsense.”

    They’re exploring hypotheses here, not going to trial. (BTW, the U.S. “government” would tell you you’re full of shit. Things like DNA evidence, fingerprints, etc. are for suckers).

    • Replies: @SBaker
  25. Is Francis Boyle still insisting – without any kind of evidence whatsoever – that SARS-CoV-2 came from the Wuhan lab? If so he’s just a moron whose nonsense doesn’t deserve any exposure, IMO.

  26. Ghali says:

    VDare is rightly and justifiably blacklisted. Hence, because of the love affairs between UNZ Review and VDare, UNZ Review is blacklisted. There is Nothing wrong, VDare is a bigoted racist outlet.

  27. Alfred says:

    who built it, and was it released accidentally or deliberately?

    Sometimes, the item you are looking for is stirring you right in the face and yet one goes on searching in the undergrowth.

    Gates Part IV

    • Thanks: Agent76
  28. GMC says:

    Go get them Doc , Mr. Unz, and others. Don’t forget to mention that Russian Intel sees a dozen Bio Labs associated with the US Military and Big Pharma in my neighboring countries – Ukraine and Georgia. It’s time to nail the Empire on this mass murder, that has happened in just about every country on the Planet.

  29. Truth3 says:

    Barry Kissin rebuts the above argument by pointing out that the majority of scientists who have offered an opinion disagree with Boyle.

    Barry Kissin is a gatekeeper Jew that attacks those that tell the Truth about 9/11, including the anthrax episode.

    Poison. Pure Joo Poison.

  30. Parfois1 says:

    Is Francis Boyle still insisting – without any kind of evidence whatsoever – that SARS-CoV-2 came from the Wuhan lab? If so he’s just a moron whose nonsense doesn’t deserve any exposure, IMO.

    He’s a lawyer, therefore he’ll play the devil’s advocate – an useful role to validate a legitimate conclusion.

    @ Kevin Barrett

    Good on you, Ron Unz and all the cast to pursue the quest for the source of the Cv-19 pandemic and keep the question of biowarfare alive. An event unequal in human history in its sudden appearance, global reach, social and economic consequences, with attendant officially approved and orchestrated propaganda and a long chain of tell-tale “coincidences”, must necessarily arouse the suspicion in every thinking person that the Masters of the Universe are up with their usual tricks of attempting to re-shape the world according to their designs and goals.

    All major historical events have arisen, apart from the rare natural cataclysms, from Man’s actions, mostly the result of a single conspiracy from which, in turn, originate predictable and unpredictable reactions and other conspiracies. Any plan or scheme to alter the existing status quo starts as a conspiracy whether a band of professional robbers or politicians; it is in the nature of things that any organizational project or task involves the co-operation of individuals as a group to achieve a particular aim and, if in the prosecution of that aim a certain amount of discretion is necessary to have an advantage over the potential opposing side, a conspiracy takes place. Most of governments’ actions are conspiracies and their legitimacy and propriety should be probed and investigated. To counter that, most (perhaps all) governments erect “official secrets acts” walls to hide their conspiracies and set up counter-information departments.

    This pandemic has risen a conspirational stench because it stinks of malodorous human interference with the natural order for a purpose unknown, the first characteristic of a conspiracy. The same could be said about the World Trade Centre incident because the official explanation is at variance with the physics natural order, hence its conspiracy credentials because the government is openly hiding the true facts, as a conspirator does.

    As Barrett has noted (and so have other commenters here at UR) the US is at a cross-roads in its history where it must set a course of its own making to counter the rise of China as an economic superpower. The US official policy is to prevent the emergence of any rival power, even a regional one in places where the US has no legitimate concerns, and China must be hindered, blocked and neutralized. So far, nothing has worked to stop the Chinese economic juggernaut and the usual solution of going to war is fraught with danger. Yes, the US could nuke China (as the only military advantage it may have over China) but at a huge cost to itself, both militarily and reputationally. Besides, facing the opprobrium of the world and a resurgent Russia (which would not let the opportunity to be wasted) the US would be doomed. Even the clowns and puppets that masquerade as government in Washington know that the “military solution” is out. Meanwhile, every year China is getting bigger and better and time is of the essence, as Barrett noted.

    What can be done to stop China then? Hybrid warfare (sanctions, blockades, threats, propaganda) is not working either, but China, for the time being, has an Achilles heel: international trade, in which it depends for continuing its economic development. If sanctions and threats against China’s trading partners don’t work, how about bringing the whole international trade edifice down a la World Trade Centre? If the world global economy is seriously disrupted, countries won’t be able to trade and there goes the Chinese trump card. Enter Covid-19.

    • Agree: FB, Kevin Barrett
    • Thanks: Iris
  31. utu says:

    SARS-CoV-2 was already pre-adapted to human transmission.

    SARS-CoV-2 is well adapted for humans. What does this mean for re-emergence?
    Shing Hei Zhan, Benjamin E. Deverman, Yujia Alina Chan

    Two authors with: Stanley Center for Psychiatric Research, Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, Cambridge, MA
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.073262v1.full.pdf

    “Our observations suggest that by the time SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in late 2019, it was already pre-adapted to human transmission to an extent similar to late epidemic SARS-CoV. However, no precursors or branches of evolution stemming from a less human-adapted SARS-CoV-2-like virus have been detected. ”

    “…and examine the environmental samples from the Wuhan Huanan seafood market. Importantly, the market samples are genetically identical to human SARS-CoV-2 isolates and were therefore most likely from human sources.”

    Where did RaTG13 come from?

    Was Shi Zhengli engaging in some cover up, alibi [for whom?] constructing when she published her January 23, 2020 paper:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.22.914952v2.full

    “…on January 23, Shi Zhengli released a paper indicating that CoV2 is 96% identical to RaTG13, a strain which her laboratory had previously isolated from Yunnan bats in 2013. However, outside of her lab, no one knew about that strain until January 2020.” – Yuri Deigin, medium.com

    The fact she revealed RaTG13 as her deus ex machina is somewhat odd, that RaTG13 which was sequenced and analyzed was not published and not cataloged soon after its discovery in 2013 is, I would think, strange. And supposedly there is no samples of RaTG13 in the lab. All they have is its sequence in the computer, though, this perhaps might be normal for lab procedures, which I know nothing about.

    RaTG13 is not that close to SARS-CoV-2.

    https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748
    Reports show that pangolins are potentially the intermediate host, but pangolin viruses are 88–98% identical to SARS-CoV-2. In comparison, civet and racoon dog strains of SARS coronaviruses were 99.8% identical to SARS-CoV from 2003. In other words, we are talking about a handful of mutations between civet strains, racoon dog strains and human strains in 2003. Pangolins [strains of CoV2] have over 3000 nucleotide changes, no way they are the reservoir species.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  32. Alfred says:
    @Morton's toes

    Before inventing a hypothesis about powers and forces and geopolitics forming current events, you really need a historical analog. If it has never happened before, anywhere, any time, then you are making an argument which has a form of this time it is different.

    How about Lyme Disease? Just look at a map of how it is spreading and where it started. Humans have lived in this area for many thousands of years – without any such infection. Don’t you think that it is a little suspicious that it should start in the USA and in the 1980’s?

    TPTB are trying to blame it on “Climate Change”. Well, the climate has changed many times in the past. Anyway, there are areas of the USA that are warmer than New England so why did it not start there?

    It is pretty obvious to anyone with the ability to think critically that Lyme Disease was created in the USA and in a laboratory in New England – a leading research area.

    Lyme Disease Maps: Historical Data

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Anon
  33. utu says:

    Discernment between deliberate and natural infectious disease outbreaks
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870591/

  34. utu says:
    @Alfred
    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @SBaker
  35. Alfred says:
    @Christophe GJ

    good luck to Space x for the fly scheduled tomorrow. Elon Musk : may be the only billionaire I like , or at least who does interesting things. Not too Evil…

    [MORE]

    Elon Musk is just another psychopath and liar. Putting 12,000 satellites in low earth orbit is as military an endeavour as one can get. He is clearly supported and financed by the Deep State. You can be sure that Russia and China are working on ways of disabling these satellites before they do too much harm.

    The opinion of astronomers worldwide has been ignored – it is almost never mentioned by the controlled media. Spreading the fake news of Google, Facebook and Twitter is not an exercise in benevolence.

    5G From Space: 20,000 Satellites To Blanket The Earth

    The electric car nonsense is a total fiasco. I am surprised the Chinese fell for it. The coal still gets burnt. Windmills don’t turn when you want them to and the sun does not shine in winter or when you want it to.

    The logical thing to do would have been to convert cars to natural gas – as has been done in the Netherlands and Iran.

    • Replies: @Christophe GJ
    , @Sam J.
  36. Herald says:
    @anon

    Yes, it takes an addled mind to come up with the let’s set the world on fire just to get rid of Trump theory. That’s far from ruling out any malicious intent in regard to COVID-19, but even getting rid of the half- insane Trump could only ever be a minor victory.

  37. Truth3 says:

    Barry Kissin, a leading researcher on the 2001 anthrax false flag attack

    Barry Kissin, a Jew that infiltrated the 9/11 Truth sphere to say that no Jews were involved in 9/11, it was a pure Saudi operation, and that the anthrax was probably a Hatfill operation… an evil White Nationalist surely.

    Jew Gatekeepers. Can’t have a True Bloo Joo Conspiracy without them.

    “Nothing to see here, move on, it was the other guys…”

    Hard to believe Kevin Barrett could be so easily jewgled.

  38. Are you going to discuss the pangolin hypothesis as well?

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2313-x

    There are two ways viruses mutate, replication and recombination. It seems highly unlikely that Covid 19 was a naturally occurring replication, hence the support for some kind of man-made virus.

    However, it does seem quite possible, even highly probable that this was a mutation by recombination, the most likely candidate being a mix of bat corona virus and pangolin corona virus.

    Until we get the virology nailed down, blaming governments or labs is just politics and not science.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  39. Fish in water working on a false premise . Virus never I.D’d according to Koch’s postulates… same as HIV/AIDS connection… Fauci all over BOTH events ! He and that piss-mouthed sodomite Kramer who just died were buddies in the pushing of the leftover AZT cancer chem vault .

    You all live in a matrix hallucination – worse yet , you are one of the avant-guard of online truth-seeking ?

    Wake up you stupid materialist joggers …

    this is a spiritual war – and you lost a long time ago … cuz you don’t believe in spirit…

    Medicine/health as militaristic war model – you f-ing NITWITS…

    Watching the west flail from SE Asia for the last 6 months has been simultaneously enlightening and disheartening… you might as well be asian lol .

    Until you are destroyed and your yapping ego silenced for a spell, in order that you may re-integrate your soul and intellect in a form more amenable to Truth , i.e. INVOLVING metaphysics, philosophy , and yes , even supra-rational revelations about the nature of Ultimate reality , you will remain a foundering intellectual imbecile… and your children will burn .

    For the so-called “scientific”-minded of you out there… chew on this as a starting point:

    Look up Dr. Stephen Meyer , author of Darwin’s Doubt , as a starting point to get your head out of your poophole .

    More locally , relative to your Cornholio (TP for your bunghole) “virus”… look up Stefan Lanka’s talk on the history of germ theory and then get lost and shut up for a while… I’m tired of hearing your grunts and gurgles posing as thoughts…

    Viruses… cooties – nice little girl hysteria you live in and evidently grant credence to…

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  40. @Alfred

    Your arguments make sense Alfred , I hear them…But still, well…Musk he’s not assasinating small retail and urban social life like Bezos, has nos ties with vaccination or Epstein like Gates, or is not plain evil like Soros ( “so ugly that our soul fear he’s evil too” according to Israël Shamir – Ooouh Watch out Israël your getting dangerously close to what the nazis said in the 30’s…). Ah Ah…
    But tell me Alfred would you like to see space x mission of today succeed or not ? It’s a better use of money than bombing Iran.
    Regards,
    Ch.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  41. Corvinus says:
    @SBaker

    “Can we blame it on the virus, even if it was manufactured in the evil labs of the US or China, as has been convincingly suggested by Ron Unz?”

    Suggested, yes. Convincingly? No.

    The Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.
    January 14, 2020, World Health Organization

    There is no evidence that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory.
    April 20, 2020, The Conversation

    The World Health Organization reiterated that the coronavirus which causes COVID-19 is “natural in origin.” Scientists who are examining the genetic sequences of the virus have assured “again and again that this virus is natural in origin.”
    May 1, 2020

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, a renowned U.S. infectious disease expert, has said that there is no scientific evidence to back the theory that the coronavirus was made in a Chinese laboratory. “If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what’s out there now, the scientific evidence is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated,” he said.
    May 4, 2020, National Geographic

    WHO says it has no evidence to support ‘speculative’ Covid-19 lab theory
    May 5, 2020, The Guardian

    The British government has not seen any evidence to suggest that the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 was man-made.
    May 9, 2020, UK Health Minister Matt Hancock

    Scientists: ‘Exactly zero’ evidence COVID-19 came from a lab.
    May 12, 2020, Center for Infections Disease Research and Policy

    Evidence of COVID’s natural origin mounts even as conspiracy theory about Chinese lab refuses to die
    May 13, 2020, Cornell Alliance for Science

    Mr. Unz can’t have his cake and eat it, too. On one hand, he tacitly encourages readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, he latches on to MSM stories that seemingly support his conclusions. He inferred that we ought to trust ABC News, which cited four separate intelligence sources that a government report *existed* that Covid-19 is a bioweapon. Of course that report “exists”. Whether or not that report constitutes a “smoking gun” in an entirely different matter. But I thought that ANYTHING that comes from U.S. intelligence ought not to be trusted. Because Deep State. It would appear that those stories which supports his predisposed narrative, he takes stock in, and for other stories that go against his truth grain, he vigorously questions their veracity, at best, or totally discards.

    Ultimately, a fine number of readers here believe the source he used is part of FAKE NEWS. I would like to know how Mr. Unz would respond to their repeated accusation that ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies. Here is Anon 223 stating that we ought NOT to trust ABC News.

    I wouldn’t take the ABC news report at face value. Essentially, most of the Federal Government despises Trump, and want an excuse to make him look bad. Stating that the coronavirus was known since November would make Trump look bad since he didn’t do anything(though he does look bad…). This the same organization that states continuously that Trump had allied with Russia and that he had a hooker pee on him in a Russian hotel.

    Now, if we go by the assumption that Mr. Unz “carefully reads” several MSM publications, then would it not be probable that other people also carry out this same course of action? Would not those people be properly equipped to counter his line of thinking if they underwent a similar process? Or does Mr. Unz possess a unique skillset they ultimately lack?

    “The Global Lockdown is a massive worldwide reset mechanism, deliberately engineered, designed to knock over the chessboard and scatter the pieces, forcing the players to either start over or to create new, invented positions on the board”

    This statement here personifies the descent into modern anti-intellectualism. This insistence that a Globalist cabal will destroy the white race once and for all is predicated on the notion that the Deep State is pulling the strings through a series of coordinated false flags, with high IQ whites being duped along the way by a complicit media. Proof? Not required. But anyone dare to question this general Alt-Right, Q-driven narrative, and (whallah)…one is deemed a purveyor of Fake News. Hey, no need to critically think when under the impression that ANY and ALL news from the MSM is doctored, altered, or outright lies.

  42. The coronavirus scam was unleashed to provide trillions to bail out wall street and at the same time bring in UN Agenda 2030 draconian, diabolical, demonic controls over humanity, using the fake coronavirus scare , which it a total scam.

    Gates and Fauci and all involved in this scam should be arrested for crimes against humanity!

  43. Alfred says:

    Bioweapon Hypothesis

    This virus is man-made, but it is not a bioweapon.

    The real weapon was the fake media that is controlled by a handful of people. All the countries that went into a national lockdown, including Russia, have a media controlled by Zionists.

    The mainstream media is ignoring the fact that the CDC has admitted the death rate for COVID-19 is actually lower than the flu. This is happening as the media admits that the antibody tests are wrong 50% of the time!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Truth3
  44. Alfred says:
    @Christophe GJ

    But tell me Alfred would you like to see space x mission of today succeed or not ?

    I would prefer it to be called off and for some independent engineers brought in to check their calculations, materials and construction. I don’t envy those putative astronauts. There have been too many failures and not enough successes to warrant sending these people up.

    What I am getting at is that it might be successful – but not repeatedly. Space shuttle Challenger went up 9 times successfully and then failed to land successfully on the 10th attempt. It is a matter of probabilities. 90% success is way too dangerous. Elon Musk has a different opinion.

    Obviously, I hope for a successful launch tomorrow. However, that may lead to a bigger loss later on. Elon should become an astronaut.

  45. @Parfois1

    “He’s a lawyer, therefore he’ll play the devil’s advocate – an useful role to validate a legitimate conclusion.”

    Nonsense; a lawyer playing “devil’s advocate” would at least have some kind of an argument to support his position, whereas Boyle has NOTHING. Boyle is just a moron making a bare assertion.

  46. Agent76 says:

    Jan 14, 2019 5G Wireless: A Dangerous ‘Experiment on Humanity’

    Scientists, environmental groups, doctors and citizens around the world are appealing to all governments to halt telecommunications companies’ deployment of 5G (fifth generation) wireless networks, which they call “an experiment on humanity and the environment that is defined as a crime under international law.”

    May 4, 2019 Stopping 5G Microwave Radiation: The May 15th National Day of Action

    It’s not a lack of science. Hundreds, if not thousands, of published, peer-reviewed scientific studies have demonstrated how long-term, low-level exposures to this type of wireless radiation can eventually overwhelm the body’s biological, chemical and electrical systems, creating an opportunity for serious medical issues ranging from neurological problems and cognitive deficits to cancer. Children are more vulnerable to these effects, as their physiology is still developing.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/stopping-5g-microwave-radiation-the-may-15th-national-day-of-action/5676493

  47. Great article, Mr. Unz. The US is the consummate propaganda machine!
    Mr. Romanoff’s 3 part series on Bio-Weapons, among other things, such as ‘The Untold History of the United States’ on Netflix; opened my eyes to just how diabolical these global technocratic, psychos have been for as long as I’ve been alive.
    Fort Detrick was likely place of origin for ‘the engineered virus’.

  48. @davidgmillsatty

    “Until we get the virology nailed down, blaming governments or labs is just politics and not science.”

    Well that makes sense, but you’re preaching to the choir.

    As we would expect, the problem is the corrupt U.S. “government,” which is already publicly blaming the enemy du jour, China, without any evidence to back up its claims. And the U.S. “government” is making threats and already taking some action based on those unsupported claims.

    It may be of benefit to humanity if some doubt can be immediately cast on the specious claims of the U.S. “government.”

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
    • Replies: @anon
  49. Real Probability of SARS-2-nCoV-19 being a bioweaponized nCoronavirus imbued with Gain-ofFunction properties, and Dual Use applications is in fact P=1 given pathogenicity, asymptomatic & undetectable spread, and aged cohort fatalities in Long Term Care environments.

    Epidemiologically, a Six Sigma collapse of the entirety of all Long Term Care facilities in the world would devastate the infrastructure for Tertiary Care Hospitals worldwide via spread & vectoring of this deadly man made Pandemic Pathogen.

    To assert that SARS-2-nCoV-19 is merely yet another nCoronavirus that has manifested naturally whilst asserting on the other hand that it could not possibly be a man made bioweaponized nCoronavirus is a lesson in doublespeak when evidence is not forthcoming for the assertions.

    Real scientists are evidenced based via Empiricism proper. Propagandists don’t utilize evidenced based argumentation as that would undermine their task to win hearts & minds one step at a time.
    NIST manufactured so-called ‘evidence’ that was NOT peer-reviewed whatsoever. The bioweaponized SARS-2-nCoV-19 will undergo the same propagandization process utilized for the CIA Controlled Demolition of the Trade Centers in NYC.

    Most researchers continue to neglect mention of the 2014 Cambridge Working Group Call to Action on Gain-of-Function Dual Use Pandemic Pathogen manufacturing in USA Biosafety Level Four laboratories, but it is key to the historical patterns & USA finance of the global industry of Pandemic Pathogen manufacturing in global BSL-4 laboratories that are primarily funded by USA taxpayers the world over.

    Most researchers also fail to mention that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy via Central Intelligence Agency acts of genocide on a global basis.
    The historiography is replete with evidence that the United States of America is funding the lion’s share of Pandemic Pathogen research in BSL-4 labs worldwide, and they are also the most likely & probable culprits for any & all Pandemic Pathogen outbreaks whether accidental or otherwise intentional.

    American is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths helming the political sphere and obviously lost hegemonic status worldwide 2020. In 2016 we were led to believe that if the USA voted in a true text book Psychopath like Trump and facilitated a bogus meme to run on like Make America Great Again-MAGA, we would all live happily ever after until the next round of elections manifested that produced a Democrat replacement.

    Neocons & Republicans always utilize threats of war to finagle their way through terms of corruption whilst pillaging the financial system globally. Today is no different politically from any other Republican term of office whereby violence & threats of violence are their only tools of choice.

    http://www.cambridgeworkinggroup.org/

    RW

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @davidgmillsatty
  50. Sean says:

    ‘American neoconservatives’ can only mean the crypto Zionist Jews of the Israel Lobby, and as they are far more worried about Israel than America, to credibly propose US neocons as the authors of a bioweapon attack on China, it is necessary to explain how that would benefit Israel. Or, at least how it might have been calculated by US neocons to be in the interests of Jewish American Zionist aspirations for Israel. A continuing close relationship between Israel and America is the prerequisite for all Zionist hopes for the future. I think the only scenario for neocons attacking China with a bioweapon is they thought it necessary to save Israel from its own leadership. Last December Netanyahu’s son said British diplomats should be “kicked out” of Israel because of their reference to the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Israel has clearly no fear of anything the international community says about the West Bank Palestinians. American support is a given and while Trump is in office Israel formally annexing the West Bank and penning its Palestinian population up in Bantustans is something American neoconservatives can and will bring about. Unless there is something else Israel is doing that makes sustaining the pro Israel stance geopolitically impossible.

    There is such an obstacle to Trump acquicing in the annexation of the occupied territories: a burgeoning collaboration between China and Israel. China running the Israeli port that US Navy warships dock at and China building the world’s biggest desalination plant in Israel (supposedly a key ME ally of the US) is not something that any US president could or would accept. Trump is absolutely going to have to act to counter it, and because the Netanyahu family will be handsomely paid off by the Chinese (valuing the Israel Lobby as a wedge against Trump’s China trade policy) there is a possibility that Israel annexing the West Bank will be the begining of the end of the US-Israel, special relationship. It sort of makes sense for the US neoconservatives worried about Israel to attack China in order to separate it from Israel. However from what I have read the Israel Lobby is subservient to Israeli politicians.

    • Replies: @skrik
  51. denk says:

    To my fellow conspiracy theorists…
    911insidejob, Robj, Maowalli.

    The prediction,

    [MORE]

    The victory lap….

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  52. @SBaker

    He has gotten the Yellow fever and there’s no cure for it now … the whole site seems to be turning into a chicom mouthpiece.

  53. SBaker says:
    @Harold Smith

    They’re exploring hypotheses here, not going to trial. (BTW, the U.S. “government” would tell you you’re full of shit. Things like DNA evidence, fingerprints, etc. are for suckers).””

    So state the hypothesis then attempt to disprove it, I don’t see the scientific method used anywhere here. Speculation is useless, mostly superstition, and evidence based science is ignored. Where is it?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  54. Why the music???????

  55. I hope they address this theory:

    https://nerdhaspower.weebly.com/ratg13-is-fake.html

    The arguments are persuasive, but I have no idea if the data behind them is valid.

  56. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Bitten: The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons

    Have you heard of this book.?

    • Thanks: Alfred
  57. @denk

    Agree, completely.

    • Replies: @denk
  58. A matter I would appreciate having discussed: The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known (a) that it would immediately come back to America on the hundreds of weekly flight, and (B) that America was not prepared to deal with it. Is this an unreasonable question?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Herald
    , @Sam J.
  59. ACEtwo says:

    Why not that China is using this release of the virus whether it was done accidentally or not. They bought up all the PPE early January. They control manufacturing for much of the world. They stopped travel in China early while allowing citizens of Wuhan to travel out. They controlled it in their country but got the WHO to say in mid January that it couldn’t be transferred person to person. They certainly want Trump to fail with his trade constraints. What better way to get rid of him then ruin the US economy. Who is benefiting the most from this virus? I would argue China. They hate Trump but were able to work with past administrations.

    • Replies: @naill
  60. @anon

    Actually, Trump won the popular vote by several million. The true unadjusted exit polls prove this.

    And just in case you think I’m biased, the unadjusted exit polls show that Kerry won, Gore won, and Obama won much a much much bigger margin than the official vote reported.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  61. FB says: • Website
    @Frederick V. Reed

    The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known…(B) that America was not prepared to deal with it.

    Would they have known this…?

    It was just last October that the media breathlessly reported on the first ever ‘Global Health Security Index’…which was prepared by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, with ‘research’ by The Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU)….

    [LOL…who knew that the fish wrapper known as ‘The Economist’ has an ‘intelligence’ unit…?]

    The US placed in a runaway first place ranking in Epidemic and Pandemic preparedness…

    With mighty Britain close behind…China way down in the pack in 51’st place…

    Here’s the snazzy infographic that was prepared for the media…

    The only ‘reasonable’ question here is how is even possible for people to be so bloody deluded…?

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @Parfois1
  62. Herald says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known (a) that it would immediately come back to America on the hundreds of weekly flight, and (b) that America was not prepared to deal with it. Is this an unreasonable question?

    The coronavirus SARS outbreak of 2003 was contained within east Asia, likewise the several coronavirus MERS outbreaks did not menace the whole world, so your presumption at (a) is not necessarily valid. Ron Unz deals with this same point at some length in his 21 April article.

    More generally you seem to be asking your questions on the basis that the USG and/or its controllers are persons of sound mind, or that they would even care about the suffering inflicted on the US masses. I would suggest, that by now you ought to have been disillusioned, on both these points and for some considerable time at that.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  63. Corvinus says:
    @obwandiyag

    “Actually, Trump won the popular vote by several million. The true unadjusted exit polls prove this.”

    Which “true unadjusted exit polls” are you exactly referring to?

  64. Corvinus says:
    @Alfred

    “The real weapon was the fake media that is controlled by a handful of people. All the countries that went into a national lockdown, including Russia, have a media controlled by Zionists.”

    What specific documentary evidence are you able to provide that lends support to your assertions? Names, dates of their meetings, and their specific strategies which resulted from those meetings, please.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  65. @SBaker

    “So state the hypothesis then attempt to disprove it…”

    First, I don’t take orders from trolls like you. Second, which particular hypothesis are you referring to? Ron Unz has proffered his hypothesis in an essay here, and as I recall I explained my ideas as per a comment to his essay, and there are a few other detail-dependent variants which also appear in the comments, IIRC. Third, did you happen to catch the title of the article you’re commenting on? It reads:

    “Ron Unz and Other Truth-Seekers to Explore Corona Bioweapon Hypothesis This Sunday”

    So for a start why not just tune in on Sunday and see what ideas emerge?

    “I don’t see the scientific method used anywhere here.”

    Aw shucks; then rather than stay here and be disappointed, maybe you should go do your trolling somewhere else?

    “Speculation is useless, mostly superstition, and evidence based science is ignored. Where is it?”

    Okay let’s start with the evidence in support of the orange clown administration’s claim that SARS-CoV-2 came from the Wuhan lab. I assume you did inquire, and that you received a substantive reply to your query. Please share it with us.

    Failing that, how about this? Rather than sit on your lazy ass spouting disingenuous pedantry, maybe you can help out. Maybe you can go visit the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, VA, for example, and see if any of the residents or staff there who were afflicted with the “mysterious respiratory illness” which struck the facility last summer will share their chest x-rays and/or any other relevant information we can use as evidence that COVID-19 was here in the U.S. well before it was detected in China. Please post the results of your efforts here.

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @SBaker
  66. Corvinus says:
    @Robert White

    Most researchers also fail to mention that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy…American is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths…Neocons & Republicans always utilize threats of war to finagle their way through terms of corruption whilst pillaging the financial system globally”

    You seem to relish making unvarnished assertions. Care to back them up with documentary evidence?

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  67. @Robert White

    Until we actually know the virology of the Corona virus this is not the equivalent of controlled demolition. It is just not.

    This virus has now been studied over 2,000 times by researchers and not a single one has published a paper, peer reviewed or not, that suggests this virus is man-made. The ones that have been published on the topic suggest otherwise.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Alfred
  68. @anon

    Actually Gary Johnston hurt Trump far worse than Stein hurt Clinton.

  69. lysias says:
    @anon

    I remember people saying Hillary was a shoe-in.

  70. @Corvinus

    “You seem to relish making unvarnished assertions. Care to back them up with documentary evidence?”

    Seriously? Maybe it would be helpful if you explain exactly what kind of “documentary evidence” you require, e.g., a public confession by a U.S. president, perhaps something to the effect of “I admit I am a lawless, mass-murdering war criminal, I admit was wrong to attack (insert victim country here), etc.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  71. cranc says:

    These guys have done some good interviews through this whole thing. This one, of Sam Husseini, covers the topic here (the unknown prevenance and likelihood of lab release/ development). He’s done some decent digging:

  72. nsa says:

    Didn’t all of you get the email….maybe check your spam folders. The Great Wu-Wu Pandemic of 2020 is so last week and over. What’s happening now is the Race Rioting of 2020. Let’s all keep up with the latest and focus on race relations , a perennial favorite in our glorious multi-culti racially diverse republic.

  73. @davidgmillsatty

    “Until we actually know the virology of the Corona virus this is not the equivalent of controlled demolition. It is just not.”

    I disagree; “virology” aside for the moment, the U.S. government is already stonewalling, and there seems to be a massive, coordinated propaganda effort underway to blame China for the pandemic (of course with no evidence), so as to “justify” the pursuit of an obviously preexisting anti-China agenda. In many aspects this is reminiscent of 9/11 (government “incompetence” excuse, immediately blamed on Osama bin Laden with no evidence ever presented, stonewalling/no-real investigation, used as a pretext for a preexisting agenda, etc.) so it’s highly suspicious and can already be compared to 9/11, IMO.

    That said, who’s “we” and how will we know when we “know the virology of the Corona virus” so as to say whether or not it’s “the equivalent of controlled demolition”? After all, it’s not like the perpetrators and their agents and enablers will ever admit guilt no matter how much damning evidence might accumulate.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  74. @Harold Smith

    It is a certainty that SARS-CoV2 originated in the Wuhan lab. In 2015 researchers there described making a chimera of a bat coronavirus and a bit of HIV. This is very similar to SARS-CoV2. The COVID-19 epidemic started in Wuhan and the Wuhan Institute of Virology is located in Wuhan. The conclusion is inescapable: the COVID-19 epidemic is the result of an accidental release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology(actually the Level 4 sub-unit). What is so difficult to understand? As for your “Springfield Nursing Home” evidence, it isn’t evidence, its garbage. This garbage is peddled by the mentally ill Godfree Roberts. Roberts claims the virus escaped from Fort Detrick, but he is so stupid he thought Fort Detrick is located in Virginia. As a result he picked the Virginia nursing home story and said “Hey lookee lookee, Fort Detrick in Virginia, nursing home in Virginia vewy vewy vewy near Fort Detrick, so Fort Detrick did it”. But Fort Detrick is nowhere near Springfield Virginia, and its not in Virginia at all but Frederick Maryland. As for how President Trump knows the WuFlu originated in the Wuhan lab, he knows because the CIA knows and briefed him, that’s their job. President Trump told the media he is not permitted to say how he knows, which is correct, as it would reveal the CIA’s informants. As for the credential of your opinion, the fact that Fart Blossom(aka FB) punched the agree button says it all.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  75. Truth3 says:
    @Alfred

    That’s a contextual false attribution.

    You need to apologize to Der Fuehrer.

    • LOL: Alfred
  76. Nerd says:
    @miltn

    It’s simple – if you know that your superpower rival is developing biowarfare agents would you rather opt in or out of the research? Would you rather know quickly what you’ve been sprayed with? They will set up false flags anyway, sprinkle the vrius near the Wuhan P4 lab etc. Better of course for Pompeo to hold the “evidence” that Wuhan lab did coronavirus research, but then the Chinese started leaking that this $7m grant was paid for by the NIH! See, it’s better to opt in than out.

  77. @Bombercommand

    What’s “certain” is that you can’t be taken seriously, goofball.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  78. Nerd says:

    Dr Ralph Baric, University of North Carolina, coronavirus expert created a chimeric coronavirus in 2015. The research was then outsourced to the Wuhan P4 lab in 2015 until 2020.

    He then went on to develop GS-5734 in 2017. GS-5734 is aka Remdesivir.

    He is now working on the Covid19 vaccine.

    Btw, a P4 lab is to a Ft Detrick type Bioweapons facility is like a Garage to an Automobile Assembly/Plant.

  79. Parfois1 says:

    @ Sean

    Strawman diversion! No need to distinguished US from Zion, they are the twins fused by the supremacy complex, their feats joint malevolence and their fates mixed in everlasting fire. They are the Satanic version of Tweedledee and Tweedledum. The only distinguishing feature is that Zion has the eschatological (and probably the scatological) upper-hand and will ditch the US if the fire-and-brimstone storm approaches; until then they are the single entity Zionus Inc, partners in crime.

  80. Sam J. says:

    Meryl Nass,”…But in my understanding of biological warfare, no country used a biological agent against another country if they didn’t think they could control it. If they thought it might blow back onto their country, it wouldn’t be used. So historically, I don’t think this is the kind of agent that would deliberately be used at a nation level…”

    How do you find out who did corona. You find those that benefit. Now we all know without a shadow of a doubt that the US didn’t do this because of the blow back. It’s common sense. The odds of it being the US are so low as to be astronomical. So there’s two other options. The Chinese could have screwed up and accidentally released it. Fairly good odds EXCEPT. Immediately after it hit China it infected the Iranian top leadership and Israel says they Cohencidently have been studying the exact same virus and will have a vaccine in 6 weeks. It’s fairly obvious the Jews did corona. The Jews know that their “move to China” to dominate the Chinese as they’ve destroyed the US is in tatters. The Chinese have double crossed them. Probably told them all kinds of lies and pumped the Jews for every last secret and technological edge they could get the Jews to steal from the US then…they dumped them. Let the Jews find out that they will never run China nor have any substantial influence Probably ripped them off for many, many millions of not billions of dollars. The Chinese also start working with Iran. Jews not happy. So the Jews, psychopaths that they are, cook up this virus to punish the Chinese and destroy the US even further. The Jews did corona.

  81. @Harold Smith

    “Goofball”? Thats all you got? You were puffed up and bellowing with extreme faggoty snarc at SBakers very reasonable points, now have a go at me. Confront my argumentation if you dare. You have an ugly Antifag attitude and its gonna be fun stomping you.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  82. Nerd says:

    One reason why they weren’t afraid of blowback is due to the nature of this COVID19 strain that exploded in Wuhan. This strain B is using the ACE2 protein pathway to enter and infect human cells. Among the cells of the different races, ACE2 is present in the highest degree in North East Asians, in particular the Chinese. ACE2 is lowest amog caucasians. The other strains, especially the C strain that is evolved from the B strain, evolved to infect and kill cells via other pathways.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  83. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Brother. If they are going to make a bio-weapon, it won’t be one that gives most people a bad cold.

  84. Parfois1 says:
    @FB

    The only ‘reasonable’ question here is how is even possible for people to be so bloody deluded…?

    Not really, if you turn that chart upside-down it might be right!

    • LOL: Iris
  85. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    “Seriously? Maybe it would be helpful if you explain exactly what kind of “documentary evidence” you require.”

    Evidence how and why most researchers neglect to state that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy–analysis of researcher intentions, specific examples of how Americans exhibit psychopathic tendencies, as evaluated by professionals in the field

    Evidence that the American is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths–hospital records, police reports, psychological and sociological studies

    Evidence that Neocons & Republicans always utilize threats of war to finagle their way through terms of corruption whilst pillaging the financial system globally–analysis of every situation these two groups employed these threats, specific examples of their corruption, records of meetings detailing their plans, with eyewitness accounts

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  86. vot tak says:

    “Francis Boyle is well known for opining that COVID-19 is an engineered biological weapon”

    That israeloamerican asset claims China created the virus and is part of the israeloamerican psywar blitz against China and his “expertise” is intended to obfuscate any scrutiny into a israeloamerican engineered source for the virus.

    IE: tainted meat.

  87. SafeNow says:


    This is truly pulling the tiger’s tail. I admire the courage, but will miss the Unz website. After the election, it will be banned, per the FBI memo denoting that those who dispute the established explanation of events are potentially terrorists. And per the new administration.

    • LOL: Parfois1
  88. @Bombercommand

    “Thats all you got?”

    No; that’s all your infantile statist bullshit deserves, chumpy.

    “You were puffed up and bellowing with extreme faggoty snarc…”

    I realize that you have nothing of value to add, knucklehead, but why do you imbecilic statist trolls always have to inject your sexual preferences into the “discussion”? It’s irrelevant.

    “…at SBakers very reasonable points…”

    LOL!

    “…now have a go at me.”

    Does your boyfriend know how you talk to strangers online?

    “Confront my argumentation if you dare.”

    I’m sorry, but there’s really nothing to “confront.”

    “You have an ugly Antifag attitude…”

    Well as I’ve already endeavored to point out, your faggotry is irrelevant.

    “…and its gonna be fun stomping you.”

    Wouldn’t it be even more fun for you if you were to get some kind of a “life”?

    • LOL: Biff
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  89. @Corvinus

    Okay so you’re not going to meaningfully answer the question. That’s what I thought.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @FB
  90. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    “Okay so you’re not going to meaningfully answer the question. That’s what I thought.”

    Of course I answered it in a meaningful, and even substantial manner. You’re simply choosing to label it in a way where you avoid responsibility. I thought only Jews and griods acted in that way. Anyways, you realize answering my inquires requires a ton of work, so rather than engage in discourse, you take this route.

    Listen, if person is going to make claims that are bombastic in nature (like how America is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths), then one better provide the requisite proof to back them up.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  91. @Harold Smith

    You have not confronted my argumentation, just bellowing more faggoty snarc. If you do not address each point in my comment, you lose and everyone reading your comment knows you have lost.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @d dan
  92. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Harold, maybe you’re not familiar with ‘CorvAnus’…he’s well known around here as an old Zionist hand…

    You’ll note in his reply that he even sticks up for the neocons… [ask him about his autographed portrait of Norman Podhoretz…😅]

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  93. Another paper out yesterday, May 29 that suggests, one more time, that Covid 19 is a recombination of bat and pangolin coronaviruses.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200529161221.htm

    “In our study, we demonstrated that indeed SARS-CoV-2 has a rich evolutionary history that included a reshuffling of genetic material between bat and pangolin coronavirus before it acquired its ability to jump to humans,” Giorgi said.

    Link to the paper.

    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/28/sciadv.abb9153

  94. Sam J. says:
    @Alfred

    Big oil sure hates those electric cars because we can fill them with local solar, wind, water power and be free of the Oligarchy.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  95. Alfred says:
    @Corvinus

    What specific documentary evidence are you able to provide that lends support to your assertions? Names, dates of their meetings, and their specific strategies which resulted from those meetings, please

    That is very easy. When did any of those media say the truth about the situation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. Gaza is the largest concentration camp in the world. Lying about Palestinians is what Zionists do.

    But these media keep on plugging the “Chinese are putting the Uyghurs in camps” mantra. As though the Americans could care less about the Uyghurs who are vastly better off now than they were 50 years ago.

    US gets aggressive toward China over Uighur persecution

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  96. Sam J. says:
    @InvertedMemberOperation

    “…this is a spiritual war – and you lost a long time ago … cuz you don’t believe in spirit…”

    “…Until you are destroyed and your yapping ego silenced for a spell, in order that you may re-integrate your soul and intellect in a form more amenable to Truth , i.e. INVOLVING metaphysics, philosophy , and yes , even supra-rational revelations about the nature of Ultimate reality , you will remain a foundering intellectual imbecile… and your children will burn …”

    We don’t need to do all that. We just need to get rid of the Jews and we will do just fine. Even if all these things you deem so important we do need to do we can damn sure do it easier without the Jews around.

  97. @Harold Smith

    Well the evidence is pouring in from a number of scientific publications now that Covid-19 is a recombination of bat and pangolin coronaviruses. That is how we know.

    That is nothing like the evidence that the US government put out about planes causing the WTC’s to collapse. Not a damn thing similar.

    The entire world has Covid-19 to study.

    The entire world did not have the WTC’s to study. And only Jones and Harrit tested the dust of the WTC to prove nanothermites were the probable cause of the WTC building collapses. Nobody else even bothered to test the dust.

    There was really no scientific consensus that the WTC’s collapsed by demolition when the US government decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

    This time around the scientific consensus is that Covid-19 is a naturally made recombination virus and not a man-made one. So hopefully it will be harder for the US government or the Chinese government to pull off anything like it did after 9/11. The plausable deniability is just not there.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  98. Alfred says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    This virus has now been studied over 2,000 times by researchers and not a single one has published a paper

    Professor Luc Montagnier, the discoverer of HIV and Nobel Prize winner, has said that it is manufactured. For me, that is good enough. He is not going to publish papers on what are to him very obvious details that he described that give the game away. What he has to say about where it came from and who made it is irrelevant as it is outside his area of competence.

    Big Pharma Beware: Dr. Montagnier Shines New Light on COVID-19 and The Future of Medicine

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @Nerd
  99. Sam J. says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    “…A matter I would appreciate having discussed: The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known (a) that it would immediately come back to America on the hundreds of weekly flight, and (B) that America was not prepared to deal with it. ..”

    I’ll discuss it. The Jews did it and they don’t care how many bodies they pile up. They are the only ones that benefit. They punished China for working with Iran, spread it to Iran and got their banking buddies free cash to the tune of trillions.

    s soon as you avail yourself of the possibility of the “idea” that the Jews have a large mass of psychopaths in their population then you begin to see events in a totally different way. I’m not saying every single Jew is a psychopath but I am saying that there is no measurable difference between a bunch of Jews moving to your country and a tribe of psychopaths. This with a little minor study has been the case for thousands of years. It’s also been the case that the special pleadings of the Jews are in no way different from psychopaths and their actions are the same also in aggregate.

    • Agree: Alfred
  100. @Nerd

    Nonsense for three reasons.

    First the evidence is now becoming clear that Covid -19 is a natural recombination of bat and pangolin coronaviruses. No published scientific study has indicated otherwise.

    Second, mutations can easily cause an unexpected blowback. It is a truly dumb idea.

    Third, the Asians have “been there and done that” four times since 2003. They know how to “contain and lockdown” and they have a culture that is willing to accept lockdowns. It is now becoming clear that the West’s culture of individualism, freedom and liberty are its Achilles’ heel in a pandemic.

  101. @Bombercommand

    For the Nth time, you silly queer, you don’t have “argumentation” to “confront”; you have a steaming pile of barely asserted, childishly absurd, facially self-refuting statist bullshit.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  102. Alfred says:
    @Sam J.

    Big oil sure hates those electric cars because we can fill them with local solar, wind, water power and be free of the Oligarchy

    “Big oil” can afford to shrug. The amount of dependable electricity produced by wind and solar is close to zero at times when demand for electricity peaks. Hydro is almost the same today as 50 years ago in the USA.

    In the USA, Big Oil has declining output. They were never seriously into the money-pit called fracking.

    THE END OF A U.S. OIL GIANT: ExxonMobil’s Days Are Numbered (May 7, 2020)

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  103. @FB

    Now that you mention it FB I think I remember “Corvinus” from a previous “discussion.” I don’t recall the subject but I remember that it in the end it was all a complete waste of time.

  104. @eah

    My speculation which I rate as plausible but without positive belief in it is that one of the Israel related lobbyists/think tanks in or near DC took the opportunity to have UR blacklisted by suggesting to allies in the health sector that they tell FB and Google that UR must be sidelined without drawing attention to the Coronavirus bio warfare theory (because it would make straightforward defences against pandemic damage more difficult to achieve) even though that is the alleged true public interest reason given privately. The ADL or other instigators would provide the thin justification to get the censorship over the line.

  105. refl says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts

    …Of the more than 92,000 Americans who had died of COVID-19…75,000 were in Democratic congressional districts.

    …Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats, while three are represented by Republicans.

    …About two-thirds (68%) of the 44 least affected districts – the bottom 10%, with an average 13 deaths in each district – are represented by Republicans in Congress.

    Why is it that I have been suspecting this since the day corona became the favorite plaything of the doomsday loving corporate media? Just for the record: I am a dimwit with only a few good thoughts once in a while, but that this thing to a large extend is an anti Trump set up has been obvious all along. They do not even bother to cover it up.
    There is more to the story. From the article, I would like to stress the part that quotes John Mearsheimer saying that this has only been the opening shot in the epic war on China

    If it was a bioweapon, then not a well constructed one, hopefully, because it provides more panic then death…

    Still not believing in corona.

  106. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold Smith

    It may be of benefit to humanity if some doubt can be immediately cast on the specious claims of the U.S. “government.”

    Indeed, and on many subjects. (I.E., Syria, Venezuela, Crimea, Ukraine, etc., etc.)

    Here’s a question. The same day that the transcript of Flynn/Kislyak phone call released, Trump proposes that Putin attend next G-7 summit. So, was there truth in his professed intent for better reations? Will the demise of Russiagate unshackle him?

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
  107. denk says:
    @Desert Fox

    Yes.
    [[[They]]] are practically screaming at us…

    Look here, Mission accomplished

    Its amazing that so many HIQ whites still dont get it., !

  108. @anon

    Since when has the US sought good relations with any nation? The US gives specious alternatives. You will do x or we will do y. President Kushner to Vladimir Putin:

    “You will do this list of things and we will treat Russia like a friend, after all, we want the best situation possible for the tribe in Russia, why wouldn’t we?”

    • Replies: @Iris
  109. Neoconned says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    As I like to say….”a rogue government faction” with psychotic and homicidal tendencies released this virus hoping to both neuter the Chinese but also to smash the economy long enough to get Biden elected so his Deep State functionaries can start the soft wars in the Middle East again….

  110. I am encouraged to read what Meryl Nass had to say. Fancy being calmly moderate and logical when talking to Kevin Barrett for an audience of UR nutters.

    So I have some hope that Ron will not go over the top in the way which made a senior BBC producer/editor of my acquaintance (who was responsible for the main BBC program on the Lockerbie crash of a Pan Am plane) say Ron was a crank if he really put forward some of the factoids I quoted (I trust accurately) about 9/11 that Ron seemed to share doubts about the Pentagon being struck by a hijacked plane despite Barbara Olson’s telephone call, eyewitness accounts etc. That instance came to mind when I saw tonight the Air Crash Investigation program that my BBC person had apparently seen and regarded as factual. In the case of Ron’s bio warfare hypothesis I hope he will give weight to the common sense of my alternative hypothesis to explain the apparently crucial early intelligence about the brewing Wuhan disaster. The short version is that an underfunded and little regarded medical intelligence unit gets information about the illness of some returned military athletes and does its best with limited resources but imaginative intelligence to gather information from open sources that includes clues from social media. It then beats up the story to make sure it is noticed and duly gets some attention from public media like ABC and Israel’s Channel 12.

  111. Corvinus says:
    @Alfred

    Here is your assertion–“The real weapon was the fake media that is controlled by a handful of people. All the countries that went into a national lockdown, including Russia, have a media controlled by Zionists.”

    Instead of providing specific evidence how and why the media is “fake”, who are the “handful of people” that control it, and how and why they are Zionists, you go off on a tangent on the Palestinians, who we already know have been or continue to be persecuted. Try again.

  112. It’s funny, davidgmillsatty popped up exactly when we began to look into the evidence of US systematic and widespread germ warfare. He took the standard line of CIA’s keyboard commandos, modeling opinions for dimbulbs and sprinkling out cherry-picked factoids to distract from the overwhelming probative mosaic. He couldn’t argue in good faith if his life depended on it, just like all the keylogged JTRIG drones.

    Even with the long hot summer here to distract us, he’s still hard at work, lying his ass off, struggling to manipulate you with frantic pilpul nonsense. The US public is effectively distracted and fretting about the glorious sight of police stations burning down. Maybe someone else is looking into CIA’s internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens (1925 Geneva Convention and 1905 Hague Convention,) *Hmmm?*

  113. @Harold Smith

    It is a certainty that SARS-CoV2 originated in the Wuhan lab. In 2015 researchers at the Wuhan lab published a paper describing making a chimera of a bat coronavirus and HIV. This is very similar to SARS-CoV2. The COVID-19 epidemic started in Wuhan, the Wuhan Institute of Virology is in Wuhan. The conclusion is inescapable: the Coronavirus epidemic is the result of an accidental release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. What is so difficult to understand? As for your “Springfield Nursing Home” evidence, its not evidence, its garbage. This garbage is peddled by the mentally ill Godfree Roberts. Roberts claims the virus escaped from Fort Detrick, but he is so stupid he thought Fort Detrick is located in Virginia. As a result he picked the Virginia nursing home story and said “Hey lookee lookee: Fort Detrick in Virginia, nursing home in Virginia vewy vewy vewy near Fort Detrick, so Fort Detrick did it.” But Fort Detrick is nowhere near Springfield Virginia and its not in Virginia at all, it is in Frederick, Maryland. President Trump knows the WuFlu originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology because the CIA knows and they briefed him, that’s their job, and President Trump is not permitted to say how he knows because it would compromise informants and reveal methods. Now its your move, Harold Smith, if what I wrote is so easily refuted then go ahead and refute it.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @denk
  114. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Bombercommand, hate to break it to ya, but your Dunning-Kruger certitude is not super convincing. Have you ever been read into collateral of any sort? Don’t take this the wrong way, but you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. You don’t seem to know how this stuff works. Old Micro had that sort of cred. You don’t. Why should we listen you?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  115. dimples says:

    Unlike KB, a professional conspiracy theorist who needs to keep sniffing the glue just to keep his brain from becoming too confused, Ms Nass is surely a true gem of rational and knowledgeable speech.

    Here is another talk from her:

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/05/24/how-did-coronavirus-originate.aspx

    Thanks to Ms Nass I’m now reading up on the Oral Polio Vaccine hypothesis for the origin of AIDS. The appositeness of this gigantic historical cock-up and its scientific coverup to our current Covid-19 situation is quite enlightening.

  116. Iris says:
    @GazaPlanet

    Completely agree. Just a quibble: I think you made a small protocolar error, it is not “President Kushner”, it is “Pro-Consul Kushner”.

  117. Iris says:
    @Bombercommand

    The conclusion is inescapable: the Coronavirus epidemic is the result of an accidental release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Hardly.

    Philogenetic network tracing has proved that the ancestor strain of the Covid-19 virus was mainly found in the US, Australia and coastal Chine. The chance that the virus would have appeared in Wuhan, travelled the world then decided to mutate into a deadlier strain back in Wuhan, of all places, is close to zero.

    The one thing that is extremely likely is precisely that the SARS-CoV-2 virus did not originate in Wuhan.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  118. denk says:
    @Bombercommand

    It is a certainty that SARS-CoV2 originated in the Wuhan lab

    Jeeze, we’d been down this road many times before.

    certainty your ass !

    I showed you why its much more likely to be an enemy action, viz, your [[[mofo CIA]]] crapped those shits at Wuhan , knowing full well your ilks can be relied on to fall for it and connect the virus to the lab there.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  119. @anon

    Then go ahead and refute my argumentation, while hiding behind an “anon” handle. Your move.

  120. @Corvinus

    “Of course I answered it in a meaningful, and even substantial manner.”

    No, you didn’t

    At issue here is the accuracy of the following statement, for which you asked him to provide “documentary evidence:”

    “that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy…American is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths…Neocons & Republicans always utilize threats of war to finagle their way through terms of corruption whilst pillaging the financial system globally”

    I said: “Maybe it would be helpful if you explain exactly what kind of “documentary evidence” you require, e.g., a public confession by a U.S. president…”

    The key word there is EXACTLY; and an example is a good way (if not the only way under the circumstances) to nail it down (so you can’t add qualifications and make-up-the-rules-as-you-go-along).

    Anyway, in reply to me you said:

    “Evidence how and why most researchers neglect to state that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy–analysis of researcher intentions, specific examples of how Americans exhibit psychopathic tendencies, as evaluated by professionals in the field”

    This is just an absurd word salad. Not only have you not explained in sufficient detail exactly what kind of evidence you would accept, but you’re already muddying the waters and moving the goal posts.

    You’re immediately trying to shift the the focus of the discussion to the irrelevant multidimensional ambiguity of “most researchers.” Why? You can’t personally evaluate the legal and moral propriety (and/or mental health implications) of well known historical or contemporary events and relevant generally accepted facts?

    So if in support of his claims he were to cite a series of well-known massacres from the robust historical record, for example, e.g. the “Sand Creek Massacre,” the “Moro Crater Massacre” (add your own favorite massacres here), you can’t accept that as “evidence” of anything unless he also provides (to some arbitrary level of detail): an “analysis of researcher intentions”?

    You spout this kind of nonsense and then you expect to be taken seriously? Seriously?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  121. @davidgmillsatty

    “Well the evidence is pouring in from a number of scientific publications now that Covid-19 is a recombination of bat and pangolin coronaviruses. That is how we know.”

    I disagree with this bare assertion. On the contrary “we” “know” nothing of the kind. Prove it; cite the studies that you claim are dispositive of the issue.

    “That is nothing like the evidence that the US government put out about planes causing the WTC’s to collapse. Not a damn thing similar.”

    You’re obfuscating. What matters here is the bigger picture, not your lame red herrings. It seems you studiously ignore the striking overall similarities between 9/11 and the COVID-19 pandemic while trying to direct the focus to arbitrary, less relevant minutiae. With regard to historical and political context and particular regard to the behavior U.S. government, there is a compelling analogy that can be made between the two. Do I need to go over it again?

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  122. @Iris

    Wrong again Iris. Your use of “ancestor strain” is dishonest. You are refering to the classification of the many mutations into “strain groups”. Last time I looked there was Strain Group A, Strain Group B, and Strain Group C. All three Strain Groups are found in Wuhan. In The United States, Strain Group A is found on the West Coast and Strain Group B on the East Coast. Strain Group C was brought to Iran by operatives working with the Chinese on sanctions evasion(before you start barking this is the official position of the Iranian Government), who because direct flights from China to Iran were blocked by Iran used an indirect flight route through Singapore. These operatives left Strain Group C in Singapore(how lovely). These operatives were in close communication with the Iranian leadership, that is how top Iranian officials got it. Iranians also brought Strain C to Canada(although the lying CBC claims that COVID19 came to Canada from “travelers from the United States and Europe” despite the fact that in Ontario planeloads of Chinese out of Wuhan were allowed to enter Canada without screening, I guess that would be waycist to say out loud). Since all three Strain Groups are found in Wuhan from the earliest date but have an unusual distribution with Strain Group C peculiar to Iran, and Group A and Group B peculiar to the West and East Coasts respectively the only reasonable conclusion is they arrived by air with travelers from China.

    • Replies: @Iris
  123. @denk

    Jeeeeze, denk, didn’t I say I am on your team? We merely disagree slightly on how those “Murkkans” planted the FtDet19 virus in Wuhan. You support “aerosol cans or tiny vials”, and I support COVID19 laced cans of Silly String.

    • Replies: @denk
  124. lysias says:

    The Washington Post’s article on the release of the Kislyak-Flynn transcripts does not even mention that Flynn asked for Russia to veto the ant-Israel resolution at the UN.

  125. denk says:
    @Bombercommand

    I already explain to you, there’r
    three possibilities, in descending order of probability….

    Most probable,
    fukus planted the crap , timed to inflict the max damage.

    very unlikely,
    A natural outbreak, just happens at the right time,

    Least likely,
    A leak in Wuhan lab, just happens at the right time

    Its hilarious that you still indulge yourself in the last scenario while studiously ignoring the much more likely alternatives.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @denk
  126. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    I did explain **exactly** what documentary evidence is required. There was no moving of goalposts. Analysis of researcher intentions refers to specific instances that they made a conscious decision in their research to avoid presenting how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy. Specific examples refers to research studies that draw conclusions that support this contention that Americans exhibit extreme psychopathic tendencies. How odd for you to infer that scientific studies and documentary evidence as “the irrelevant multidimensional ambiguity of ‘most researchers’”.

    “You can’t personally evaluate the legal and moral propriety (and/or mental health implications) of well known historical or contemporary events and relevant generally accepted facts?”

    What are these “well known historical or contemporary events”? What are these “generally accepted facts”? The case has yet to be made. The author made assumptions and generalizations that people believe to be hard truth and definitive fact. That is not the case. If one makes bombastic claims, then one better provide the required proof.

    “So if in support of his claims he were to cite a series of well-known massacres from the robust historical record, for example, e.g. the “Sand Creek Massacre,” the “Moro Crater Massacre…”

    Remember, it is NOT a fact that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy. Rather, it is an assertion. Moreover, it is NOT a fact that most researchers fail to mention these two things in their work. Again, it is an assertion. So, I would relish the thought of him being able to make the case using those two examples to back up his claim. You do realize that merely citing those two massacres does not prove the assertion. Rather, there must be in-depth analysis. Perhaps you are willing to take up the cause for him?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  127. Iris says:
    @Bombercommand

    Last time I looked there was Strain Group A, Strain Group B, and Strain Group C. All three Strain Groups are found in Wuhan.

    Try not to explain to others things you don’t yourself understand.
    What I exposed was not my observation, but that of the authors of the study.

    The “original human virus genome” Strain A was present in Wuhan, but only in 5 sampled genomes. The bulk of strain A (319 remaining genomes) was found mostly in the US and Southern China, as well as being scattered in other world locations.

    The origin of the epidemic in Wuhan was the Strain B daughter virus.
    So, by what extraordinary coincidence would the virus have escaped from the Wuhan Lab,travelled the wide world while, almost disappeared from Wuhan and then decided to come back and mutate into a more harmful and “visible” Strain B precisely in the place it was allegedly first released?

    What sort of extraordinary coincidence would that be? Another “miracle” a la 9/11?

  128. d dan says:
    @Bombercommand

    “… you lose and everyone reading your comment knows you have lost.”

    Yes, I read your and Harold Smith’s exchange. I know who lost – and it is NOT Harold Smith – not even close.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • LOL: Bombercommand
  129. SBaker says:
    @utu

    Nice to see a voice of logic and evidence-based science instead of superstition and rants originating from a mysterious vacuum. West Nile originated in the Nile River area and likely came to our shores in some ship hold, or perhaps someone brought an infected vector in by accident or by intention. I have been on Plum Island a couple of times where they do primarily research on Foreign Animal Diseases–in fact I think the study of FADs is all they do. I once hired a DVM, PhD virologist that worked on Plum for 5 years and got tired of the daily fairy ride and living away from the Midwest–his home. Anyway, Lyme disease is not a foreign animal disease, so no to Plum Island origin. Plum Island labs will soon cease to exist.

  130. SBaker says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold ole boy, you may think I’m a troll, but I’m just a bio-scientist and it is darned easy to recognize you don’t have a clue. What you call a hypothesis is not. Is the truth in you to even admit?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  131. @Alfred

    Why would that be good enough?

    You have fallen for the classic logical fallacy of appeal to authority. This is a pure appeal to authority by Dr. Montaignier appealing to himself, no less.

    Let’s have some real science., and as I have posted all throughout this thread, there is more and more research concluding that Covid -19 was a natural recombination of a bat corona virus and a pangolin corona virus.

    • Replies: @FB
  132. @Harold Smith

    There are no scientific similarities and that is the point. It is obvious that there is bias working here. There are people who want to see similarities from the actions of the government, but there is no similarity in science. You can’t compare 2,000 scientific publications, none of which has ever suggested this is a man-made virus, to the bullshit science of one paper by Bazant.

    There is also one huge difference in how this issue has played out. From the get-go, regarding 9/11, the government began saying the planes knocked down the buildings. From the get-go regarding Covid, the worldwide scientific community got on top of this event and claimed the virus was natural. Any government trying to claim this virus is man made is pushing a giant ball uphill.

    And every day the scientific evidence is growing stronger and stronger with each paper that the virus is a recombination of a bat corona virus and a pangolin corona virus. Can you read scientific papers? If so read the links I have provided.

    But it seems that people on this board have made their minds up, science be damned. Too bad.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Harold Smith
  133. SBaker says:
    @utu

    If the virus is not adapted for human-to-human transmission, the first human would be a dead-end host. An example of this is rabies. Humans pick up rabies from an animal bite, human dies because humans are usually dead-end hosts for rabies. So, if your spouse becomes rabid, not to worry unless it bites you, which is not a common thing, but has potential for weaving into some conspiracy theory. I would imagine I am the only contributor to this site vaccinated for rabies. Now, what about next years seasonal flu virus; it clearly emerges as a virus that is also adapts to humans quickly, and in order to survive becomes contagious, in fact, highly contagious. So, people become the shedders and infectious source for all those people in close contact–a sneeze or a cough in close proximity, means you might just inhale an infectious dose. Pay attention to UTU, for he makes informed comments.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  134. @Corvinus

    “I did explain **exactly** what documentary evidence is required.”

    No you didn’t. You said for example:

    “Evidence how and why most researchers neglect to state that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy…”

    Once again, what kind of “evidence” precisely? Circumstantial evidence? An inference drawn from the forward to a book? And what exactly do you mean by “how” in this context? Wouldn’t the researcher “neglect to state (something)” by merely neglecting to state that something? And what exactly do you mean by the phrase “most researchers” in the first place?

    “There was no moving of goalposts.”

    Yes there was; you added irrelevant qualifications to the discussion.

    “Analysis of researcher intentions refers to specific instances that they made a conscious decision in their research to avoid presenting how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy.”

    So in order to properly respond to your demand for “documentary evidence,” he has to find some kind of a published paper by some as yet undefined “researcher” and this researcher has to unambiguously explain the basis for his or her refusal to consider U.S. war crimes as war crimes? Wow; you’re not just moving the goalposts, you’re putting them on the moon. ROTFL!

    “Specific examples refers to research studies that draw conclusions that support this contention that Americans exhibit extreme psychopathic tendencies.

    What about observation and reasoning? That won’t work? None of this is independently discoverable? So for example you can’t tell if it’s raining outside unless you read a meteorological report by a credible researcher, who clearly spells out his intentions?

    How odd for you to infer that scientific studies and documentary evidence as “the irrelevant multidimensional ambiguity of ‘most researchers’”.

    How typical of you to misrepresent everything. My inference – the correctness of which is now abundantly obvious – is that you’re obfuscating the issue he raised by trying to change the focus of the discussion from the accuracy of the subject statement – which can be evaluated for example by simple syllogistic reasoning based on public domain information – to a verbose, obscurantist, mind-numbingly pedantic obstacle course full of irrelevant ambiguities.

    “‘You can’t personally evaluate the legal and moral propriety (and/or mental health implications) of well known historical or contemporary events and relevant generally accepted facts?’

    What are these ‘well known historical or contemporary events’? What are these ‘generally accepted facts’? The case has yet to be made.”

    Hmmm who or what can we use as an example for comparison? Would you consider Charles Manson to be a “psychopath”?

    (To be continued).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Corvinus
  135. Iris says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    There is also one huge difference in how this issue has played out

    The huge difference between 9/11 and the Covid-19 pandemic is control over the forensic information.

    In the case of 9/11, the perpetrators had almost total control over forensic information. This did not stop the institutional conspiracy from being finally uncovered, but it took two decades and luck played an important part. Because novel tactics and technologies were used that were not mastered, unexpected consequences happened that finally revealed the plot.

    In the case of Covid-19, core forensic information is widespread and de-centralised: it is the thousands of virus strains genomes sampled and sequenced by biologists all over the world. Blatant anomalies such as the unknown genesis of the virus will not be easy to discard.

    • Thanks: Harold Smith
    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  136. @SBaker

    Harold ole boy, you may think I’m a troll, but I’m just a bio-scientist and it is darned easy to recognize you don’t have a clue.

    Coming from an ignorant, pompous asshole such as yourself, that’s a nice compliment; thanks, troll.

    “What you call a hypothesis is not. Is the truth in you to even admit?”

    Yes it is, fool.

    “Definition of hypothesis in English:

    hypothesis

    Pronunciation /hīˈpäTHəsəs/ /haɪˈpɑθəsəs/

    NOUN hypotheses

    1A supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

    1.1 Philosophy A proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.”

    https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/hypothesis

    Now why don’t you give up on the charlatanic pedantry and get back to your Talmudic studies, before your mommy finds out you’re at the computer again chumpy.

  137. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    “Once again, what kind of “evidence” precisely?”

    I already gave specific examples. You are being obtuse.

    “Wouldn’t the researcher “neglect to state (something)” by merely neglecting to state that something?”

    Robert White inferred it was purposeful on the part of researchers. He has to offer support for that assertion.

    “And what exactly do you mean by the phrase “most researchers” in the first place?”

    You need to ask Robert White that question.

    “Yes there was; you added irrelevant qualifications to the discussion.”

    That is false characterization on your part. The qualifications I provided are necessary for Robert White to prove his claims.

    “So in order to properly respond to your demand for “documentary evidence,” he has to find some kind of a published paper by some as yet undefined “researcher” and this researcher has to unambiguously explain the basis for his or her refusal to consider U.S. war crimes as war crimes?”

    Let me correct you. Robert White has to provide documentary evidence in the form of research–psychological and historical–from individuals and publications that lend support to how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy.

    “What about observation and reasoning? That won’t work?”

    It depends who is making that observation, under what context, and to what extent is that reasoning logical.

    “None of this is independently discoverable?

    If Robert White is claiming that the United States of America is of extreme text book Psychopathy, then he must cite actual sources and verifiable research. His personal observations are NOT enough to make the case. Thus, he must defend with solid evidence this independently discoverable conclusion.

    “So for example you can’t tell if it’s raining outside unless you read a meteorological report by a credible researcher, who clearly spells out his intentions?”

    We are not talking about something clearly observable as this situation. We are talking about a man who stated unequivocally that the U.S. is a culture of death. This particular claim demand proper vetting.

    “you’re obfuscating the issue he raised by trying to change the focus of the discussion from the accuracy of the subject statement”

    No, I am demanding that he provide documentary evidence as I laid out to prove his claim.

    “to a verbose, obscurantist, mind-numbingly pedantic obstacle course full of irrelevant ambiguities.”

    Project much?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  138. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    Let us put you to the test. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion–The United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy via Central Intelligence Agency acts of genocide on a global basis.

    How do you defend your position? What evidence are you able to provide other than your personal observations? Evidence such as analysis from political scientists, interpretations from historians, and psychological studies from researchers will suffice. Bear in mind to provide a definition of “culture of death”, to employ the criteria used to diagnose an individual as being psychopathic, and to explain how the specific acts committed by the CIA meet the standards of genocide.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  139. FB says: • Website
    @davidgmillsatty

    Let’s have some real science…

    Excuse me…but do YOU actually understand the science involved…

    Because you have been posting here a lot of bullshit references to peer reviewed literature that simply CLAIM such and such…

    If you *believe* these claims are *scientifically sound* then you should be able to *explain* the science and why it is convincing…

    I don’t know anything about microbiology, but I do know something about aeronautics…and when I undertake to explain a particular issue to a layman audience, then I do that in an educational way…

    You’re not doing that…so please either explain the science, or, if you are unable to do so, then stop claiming that anyone has *proved* that this virus is definitely zoonotic and not man made…

  140. @Corvinus

    Once again, what kind of “evidence” precisely?

    I already gave specific examples. You are being obtuse.

    No you didn’t; you did nothing but ramble.

    Wouldn’t the researcher “neglect to state (something)” by merely neglecting to state that something?

    Robert White inferred it was purposeful on the part of researchers. He has to offer support for that assertion.

    LOL! He “inferred” (sic) nothing of the kind. The “how…most researchers neglect to state…” was something you added. I mentioned it because it is an example of your mindless obscurantism.

    And what exactly do you mean by the phrase “most researchers” in the first place?

    You need to ask Robert White that question.

    Well since it was you, not him, who elevated it to a central issue, I asked you.

    Yes there was; you added irrelevant qualifications to the discussion.

    That is false characterization on your part. The qualifications I provided are necessary for Robert White to prove his claims.

    On the contrary the “qualifications (you) provided” are completely unnecessary for an HONEST discussion of the subject.

    So in order to properly respond to your demand for “documentary evidence,” he has to find some kind of a published paper by some as yet undefined “researcher” and this researcher has to unambiguously explain the basis for his or her refusal to consider U.S. war crimes as war crimes?

    Let me correct you. Robert White has to provide documentary evidence in the form of research–psychological and historical–from individuals and publications that lend support to how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy.

    Do you need a “researcher” to prove to you that Charles Manson was a murderous psychopath? Unless there’s something wrong with you, you don’t. Likewise, the lengthy historical record of heinous U.S. serial atrocities committed against people all over the world speaks for itself.

    What about observation and reasoning? That won’t work?

    It depends who is making that observation, under what context, and to what extent is that reasoning logical.

    How many ways can a reasonable person interpret America’s serial wars of aggression, coups, innumerable direct or indirect massacres, propping up dictators, deadly sanctions, etc.? We’re not talking about a few isolated incidents here. Here’s just one example of many:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Civil_War

    “We are not talking about something clearly observable as this situation. We are talking about a man who stated unequivocally that the U.S. is a culture of death. This particular claim demand proper vetting.”

    You’re being dishonest. To anyone with internet access who wants to know, the historical record of U.S. atrocities (and the only reasonable conclusion) is just as “clearly observable” as the weather outside.

    “you’re obfuscating the issue he raised by trying to change the focus of the discussion from the accuracy of the subject statement”

    No, I am demanding that he provide documentary evidence as I laid out to prove his claim.

    Okay, in the link above I provided such evidence. Do you now agree that his characterization of the U.S. is correct?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  141. denk says:
    @denk

    Corvinus

    Disagree

    Why ???

    P.S.
    Is your handle predictive programming ?
    Are you one of [[[them]]] ?

  142. @Corvinus

    “Let us put you to the test. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion–The United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy via Central Intelligence Agency acts of genocide on a global basis.”

    How can I not agree with this in general? I wish it wasn’t true, but it is.

    “How do you defend your position? What evidence are you able to provide other than your personal observations?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Civil_War

    And for a recent example, what’s the U.S. government doing to Venezuela? They’re torturing and killing people by the thousands with sanctions, apparently trying to impose sufficient hardship to get the people to overthrow Maduro. It literally makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

    But the “culture of death” doesn’t just manifest as of wars of aggression, massacres, coups, sanctions, etc. It can be seen in domestic contexts as well. Take the corrupt FDA for example. It simply refuses to ban some ingredients that are no doubt making people unhealthy and possibly killing people or contributing to their premature deaths.

    I’m referring to the refusal of the “government” to ban so-called “food grade” titanium dioxide and silicon dioxide.

    Pubmed is full of papers suggesting that these ingredients (used as a colorant/opacifier and a flow agent, respectively) are toxic and damaging to health.

    The problem with these amorphous powders is that the particle size distribution extends down into the tens of nanometers range, and such small particles can penetrate physiological barriers that would block larger particles, causing oxidative stress and inflammation.

    IIRC there are post mortem studies from Europe showing that people – whose only known source of exposure to titanium dioxide would’ve been through food, nutritional and pharmaceutical products – had toxic or nearly toxic accumulations of it in their livers and spleens.

    The evidence is accumulating that these amorphous nanopowders may be etiological factors in everything from diabetes to colon cancer to Parkinson’s disease.

    IOW we’re being poisoned. And not only is this stuff found in products where you would never imagine to find it, but if I understand correctly, labeling laws create a loophole that allows some products to contain these ingredients without their having to be included on the ingredients list.

    In fact I have a HYPOTHESIS that chronic ingestion of toxic “food grade” TiO2 and/or SiO2 amorphous nanomaterial is at least partly responsible for the skyrocketing rates of diabetes in and colon cancer in younger people.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28106049

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29845055

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31699096

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19501734

    Any society that would do this to its own people…it’s own children…manifests a culture of death, IMO.

    • Agree: FB
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  143. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    Hmmm… apparently nobody actually watched this “webinar,” lol.

    • Replies: @Christophe GJ
  144. @Parfois1

    I find it very difficult to believe any people in the West would be so desperate to pull China down as to resort to such extreme measures as capsizing the entire current global financial order. What good would it do them (assuming there are such people and they’re not psychotic)? Would the mere satisfaction of seeing China being pulled down be really worth it (to them)?

    Well, from what I’ve read, virus or no virus, the global economic situation is actually already dire, with well-nigh all of the world’s countries burdened with tons and tons of unrepayable debt; the virus was merely the spark that set the tinder on fire. So maybe that was the idea: since the whole sucker’s going to go up in flames anyway, let’s light a spark and make it look like China’s the culprit, just to divert everyone’s anger towards her.

    My own speculation.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  145. @anon

    The broadcast was good. Thanks to K. Barret. I learned interesting things like the existence of an eventual crypto pro – american wing in the Chinese political apparatus, maybe related to the murder of the ambassador.
    But it’s to true that you can’t do without the basics of TV journalism. Good sound (not metallic), big lights, guests and interviewers in the same room (a studio), with a minimum notion of opposition between the speakers. And wearing a necktie doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a deep state clone or “M. Anderson”. Liberty report of Ron Paul or “the youg turks” respect these basics. Then you’ll have the bigger audience it deserves, because of course this broadcast is one of the best on the subject on ideas and views properly.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  146. @Harold Smith

    Here’s the full text paper re: the patient with the silica induced sarcoidosis.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61057-6/fulltext

    I don’t want to go too far off topic, but one of the reasons I find the war on hydroxychloroquine (as a potential treatment for COVID-19 disease) so disturbing – is the breathtaking hypocrisy of the mass media and the FDA.

    They feign concern for the well-being of COVID-19 patients taking the drug ostensibly because of QT interval prolongation, but where is their concern over the fact that you cannot buy hydroxychloroquine tablets anywhere in the U.S. that do not contain titanium dioxide?

    Moreover, many elderly patients with comorbidities are also taking other tablets and capsules which also contain both titanium dioxide and silicon dioxide. And both of these toxins have been shown to be potentially capable of causing, contributing to the development of, or exacerbating vascular endothelial dysfunction, which seems to be a risk factor for severe COVID-19 disease.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22352400

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30975181

    Once someone in this society develops diabetes and/or any other disease or condition associated with dysfunction of physiological barriers (i.e. gut, blood-brain, blood-nerve barrier), and they’re treated with multiple drugs, they may be getting a daily dose of tens of milligrams of TiO2 and SiO2 nanoparticles, and it seems plausible to me that more TiO2 or SiO2 will then be absorbed and enter systemic circulation, and as a result more will accumulate in the brain (and other organs), increasing the risk of cerebral small vessel disease, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, various auto-immune diseases, etc.

    Yes this is all somewhat speculative, but our utterly corrupt and incompetent masters are willing to impose that risk on us just as they’re willing to impose the risk of war with Russia and/or China…apparently because they’re psychopaths.

    https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-psychopaths-study-us

    • Thanks: Parfois1
  147. @SomeoneInAsia

    “I find it very difficult to believe any people in the West would be so desperate to pull China down as to resort to such extreme measures as capsizing the entire current global financial order.” It isn’t so difficult to believe once you study the mindset of national security types. Even a relatively sane one, John Mearsheimer, points out that “security is more important than prosperity” so it would be worth sacrificing American and global prosperity in order to pre-empt the Chinese threat to “security” (i.e. US global hegemony). https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/can-china-rise-peacefully-10204

    • Thanks: Iris
  148. @Christophe GJ

    You say “you can’t do without the basics of TV journalism. Good sound (not metallic), big lights, guests and interviewers in the same room (a studio)”…

    If you want to set me up with pro-level TV journalism production values, feel free to make a six-figure contribution, or better yet seven figures, via the paypal button at https://truthjihad.com or https://www.patreon.com/DrKevinBarrett .

    In lieu of a seven-figure contribution I will accept your acknowledgment that sometimes lack of high-level production values is a sign of honesty, integrity, and intellectual quality ; – )

    • Replies: @anon
  149. @davidgmillsatty

    “There are no scientific similarities and that is the point.”

    In your subjective opinion that is, but so what? To the extent that’s true, it’s just a red herring that distracts from what the big picture shows us: that there seem to be conspicuous similarities between 9/11 and the COVID-19 pandemic.

    “It is obvious that there is bias working here.”

    Then you need to overcome your bias; or maybe the trees are blocking your view of the forest and you need to step back and consider the bigger picture.

    “There are people who want to see similarities from the actions of the government, but there is no similarity in science.”

    There you go again, and once again, so what? “Science” isn’t plotting to deceive, manipulate, control and ultimately destroy us, but “government” apparently is.

    I’m not a microbiologist, but when it comes to the subject of U.S. “government” treachery, I consider myself an expert.

    “You can’t compare 2,000 scientific publications, none of which has ever suggested this is a man-made virus, to the bullshit science of one paper by Bazant.”

    What are you talking about? What’s your point?

    “There is also one huge difference in how this issue has played out.”

    And in one case “Bill” murdered his victim with a gun, and in another case, “Bill” stabbed his victim to death with a knife…that is one “huge difference,” right?

    “From the get-go, regarding 9/11, the government began saying the planes knocked down the buildings.”

    Well not exactly (not directly). If you’ll recall, the “government” (or more accurately, the “government”/media complex) took the position that “fire” (spread and fed by fuel from the planes) weakened the steel and brought the buildings down. But once again, so what? What’s your point?

    “From the get-go regarding Covid, the worldwide scientific community got on top of this event and claimed the virus was natural.”

    That’s just your own personal opinion; it’ a meaningless bare assertion. Please cite the studies that you feel conclusively settle the issue.

    “Any government trying to claim this virus is man made is pushing a giant ball uphill.”

    I’m sorry, but you’re not making very much sense.

    “And every day the scientific evidence is growing stronger and stronger with each paper that the virus is a recombination of a bat corona virus and a pangolin corona virus.”

    Once again, you assert your unsupported personal opinion as if it were a generally accepted fact.

    “Can you read scientific papers?”

    Being that I’m not the one here asserting unsupported opinions as facts, can you?

    “If so read the links I have provided.”

    I don’t see any links.

    (BTW just FYI, as abundant experience shows, the “science” involved with controversial issues has a habit of becoming quickly politicized, i.e., corrupted and manipulated in the service of some agenda. So you have to be careful in your interpretation of the substance and significance of such “scientific papers” especially if you are not a subject matter expert. An example of this can be seen in some of the papers published as part of the apparent effort to discourage the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease).

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  150. @SBaker

    … it clearly emerges as a virus that is also adapts to humans quickly, and in order to survive becomes contagious, in fact, highly contagious.

    Oh dear. In the above, you demonstrate that you have no understanding of science in general or biology in particular. Where you write “in order to survive” you are ascribing intentionality to inanimate matter. It doesn’t work like that.

    No, what really happens is that if the organism adapts and becomes contagious it survives. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t, it’s that simple. This is kindergarten stuff.

  151. @Iris

    I have said exactly the same thing in several posts.

    The only forensic evidence the government was not able to control during 9/11 was video and the WTC dust. The videos showed what looked to be controlled demolitions but ultimately the work of Jones and Harritt proved the dust was loaded with nanothermites. But it took sometime to get the dust analyzed to verify the controlled demolition hypothesis. But by then the damage had been done.

    Whereas with the coronavirus, the evidence went all over the world. And there is yet to be a published scientific study that suggests this was man-made and the two leading suspects for it being man-made, the US and China, have plenty of enemies who would not hesitate to blame them if they could.

    • Replies: @Iris
  152. @Harold Smith

    I have posted several links on this thread alone about scientific conclusions that Covid 19 is a recombination of of bat coronviruses and pangolin coronaviruses. Just read my posts. Here is another one if I haven’t posted it already.

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgxwHNgcXjJwTQTvRdZgdSMpQtqbg?projector=1&messagePartId=0.1

    We show evidence of strong purifying selection around the receptor binding motif (RBM) in the spike and other genes among bat, pangolin, and human coronaviruses, suggesting similar evolutionary constraints in different host species. We also demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2’s entire RBM was introduced through recombination with coronaviruses from pangolins, possibly a critical step in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2’s ability to infect humans. Similar purifying selection in different host species, together with frequent recombination among coronaviruses, suggest a common evolutionary mechanism that could lead to new emerging human coronaviruses.

    • Replies: @skrik
  153. Iris says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    The only forensic evidence the government was not able to control during 9/11 was video and the WTC dust.

    Very correct. To these should be added two other revealing smoking guns which later proved tell-all evidence to scientists’ eyes:

    – The controlled demolition of WTC7 outside of the “plane attack” scenario, which had to be hastily improvised because something went badly wrong (possibly and probably because that building sustained explosion collateral damage following the demolition of the Twin Towers).

    – The months-lasting elevated temperatures recorded by aerial thermography over the WTC buildings’ footprints, indicative of the stratospheric amount of energy involved in the demolition.

    • Replies: @skrik
  154. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    ….sometimes lack of high-level production values is a sign of honesty, integrity, and intellectual quality

    LOL. Nice try…. retort w/ the logical fallcy. Every kid in his basement has meh quality, signifying nothing. But even the big guys are roughing it with social distancing.

  155. Sam J. says:
    @Alfred

    “…“Big oil” can afford to shrug. The amount of dependable electricity produced by wind and solar is close to zero at times when demand for electricity peaks…”

    I can find graphs also. The growth in solar is almost exponential. New tech is being made right now that vastly improves efficiency and lowers cost. Carbon batteries with extremely low cost for storing power are being perfected right now. It won’t happen overnight but growth at these levels will swamp big oil over time. Anyone a part of big oil that is not worrying about this should get another job because they have no idea of what’s going on. All this solar is also long term. Once installed it will last for many years.

  156. Nerd says:
    @Alfred

    No one would dare to tell the truth, they will find themselves at the bottom of the river. There is at least two suspicious deaths and one researcher arrested close to COVID19.

  157. naill says:
    @ACEtwo

    They bought up all the PPE early January.

    At that time China was the only country afflicted with the virus. Could it be possible that China and the world at that stage did think the virus could be stopped from spreading outside China? Yes, because previous outbreaks (Sars, H1N1, Mers) were largely contained and didn't go global.

    They control manufacturing for much of the world.

    Not sure what is being implied here, but when the virus eventually spread to countries that faced a shortage of PPE, China was in a position to ramp up production and supply back to the countries that earlier donated/needed PPE.

    They stopped travel in China early while allowing citizens of Wuhan to travel out.

    This was based on misinformation by Niall Ferguson and spread by the Trump administration. When all Wuhan flight schedules were checked by Daniel A Bell, this was disproven.
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187304.shtml

    They controlled it in their country but got the WHO to say in mid January that it couldn’t be transferred person to person.

    The virus was certainly not controlled within China by January, more like March although it is only with hindsight we can say it was under control. On 26 January the statement about it not being contagious was changed to say that it was contagious, less than 1 week. Did they try to hide the information in order to make it spread globally or was it because it was a new virus and the information changed upon further study? If China really wanted to hide the virus, why start the infection in Wuhan where there is a biolab, during Lunar new year ? Also why change the contagion statement within a week and not wait another 2 or 3 months?

    Who is benefiting the most from this virus? I would argue China.

    China’s economy has been hit and it is facing a global backlash from the virus. No country benefits from this virus and certainly, at the start, no country knows how it will end.

    • Thanks: Harold Smith
  158. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    I gave specific examples of the evidence that you required. You simply dismissed it.

    Yes, Robert White inferred it was purposeful on the part of researchers. He has to offer support for that assertion.

    The historical record shows the United States indeed committed heinous crimes, but the assertion made by Robert White is in the lens of the nation being a “a culture of death” and “textbook psychopathy”. Merely listing those events, i.e. observing them does not prove the assertions. Rather, one must offer explain how and why those crimes fit those two criteria.

    Now, you listed the Guatamalan coup and recent American involvement in Venezuela. Great! Now, you must demonstrate how and why those events are reflective of an overall, consistent, and persistent pattern of behavior reflective of a “culture of death”. You have yet to offer a definition of “a culture of death” as a starting point. Moreover, you must consider the criteria as to what constitutes psychopathy and relate the events in that context. That is the starting point in the discourse.

  159. @Corvinus

    “I gave specific examples of the evidence that you required. You simply dismissed it.”

    Not quite. I asked you to “explain exactly what kind of ‘documentary evidence’ you require” (to convince you that his statement – as paraphrased by you – was true), and I’m still waiting for a meaningful answer from you.

    “Yes, Robert White inferred it was purposeful on the part of researchers. He has to offer support for that assertion.”

    You seem to be deliberately misconstruing the whole discussion. The “researchers” and what he may or may not have “inferred” are irrelevant. You keep trying to make the “researchers” the focal point of the discussion, but the actual issue is the accuracy of his description of America – as paraphrased by you – and the “documentary evidence” you claim to require to substantiate that description.

    Let’s go back to the beginning. Robert White said:

    “Most researchers continue to neglect mention of the 2014 Cambridge Working Group Call to Action on Gain-of-Function Dual Use Pandemic Pathogen manufacturing in USA Biosafety Level Four laboratories, but it is key to the historical patterns & USA finance of the global industry of Pandemic Pathogen manufacturing in global BSL-4 laboratories that are primarily funded by USA taxpayers the world over.”

    In this paragraph, he was apparently referring to “researchers” who were suggesting (in their published papers on the subject) that SARS-CoV-2 likely had a natural origin, while apparently completely ignoring things that might implicate the U.S. “government” as the culprit who created the virus and unleashed on the world.

    Then he said:

    “Most researchers also fail to mention that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy via Central Intelligence Agency acts of genocide on a global basis. The historiography is replete with evidence that the United States of America is funding the lion’s share of Pandemic Pathogen research in BSL-4 labs worldwide, and they are also the most likely & probable culprits for any & all Pandemic Pathogen outbreaks whether accidental or otherwise intentional.”

    This is the second and last time he mentions “researchers” and it’s quite clear that he’s just being hyperbolic here, isn’t it? Obviously he knows, as do you and I, that no author of any peer reviewed scientific paper dealing with SARS-CoV-2 is going to say anything like this.

    Then he continued:

    “American is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths helming the political sphere and obviously lost hegemonic status worldwide 2020. In 2016 we were led to believe that if the USA voted in a true text book Psychopath like Trump and facilitated a bogus meme to run on like Make America Great Again-MAGA, we would all live happily ever after until the next round of elections manifested that produced a Democrat replacement.

    Neocons & Republicans always utilize threats of war to finagle their way through terms of corruption whilst pillaging the financial system globally. Today is no different politically from any other Republican term of office whereby violence & threats of violence are their only tools of choice.”

    In reply to this comment of his, you paraphrased his statements and asked for “documentary evidence” as follows:

    “‘Most researchers also fail to mention that the United States of America is a culture of death & extreme text book Psychopathy…American is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths…Neocons & Republicans always utilize threats of war to finagle their way through terms of corruption whilst pillaging the financial system globally’

    You seem to relish making unvarnished assertions. Care to back them up with documentary evidence”?

    So what were you asking him to prove with “documentary evidence”? Were you asking him to prove a negative, i.e. that “researchers” don’t bash America for its evil in their published papers? No of course not; that makes no sense. You understood his hyperbole, we all know that “most researchers” don’t do this otherwise he wouldn’t be ranting about it in the first place, right? Obviously, you were challenging him on his criticism of the U.S.

    As I said earlier, in your first reply to me you were apparently trying to muddy the waters and raise the goalposts, by focusing on “researchers.”

    “The historical record shows the United States indeed committed heinous crimes, but the assertion made by Robert White is in the lens of the nation being a ‘a culture of death’ and “textbook psychopathy”. Merely listing those events, i.e. observing them does not prove the assertions. Rather, one must offer explain how and why those crimes fit those two criteria.”

    LOL! Ok, so I’ll ask you again: exactly what kind of evidence do you require?

    “Now, you listed the Guatamalan coup and recent American involvement in Venezuela. Great! Now, you must demonstrate how and why those events are reflective of an overall, consistent, and persistent pattern of behavior reflective of a ‘culture of death.’”

    For the Nth time, this is why I asked you about the evidence you require. Guatemala was just one example of many treacherous acts by the U.S> government. How many more such examples do you need to conclude that its a cultural thing? The U.S. “government” is the geopolitical equivalent of Ted Bundy. How many massacres of women and children would you need? How many innocent people dead from drone strikes and sanctions? How many coups? How many war crimes? How much police brutality? How many people have to die because of unaffordable drugs? How many dangerous toxins in our food would I need to point out? How many more dangerously destabilizing escalations re nuclear weapons do you need to see?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  160. @Corvinus

    I see that you disagree with the comment I made wherein I stated my opinion that the refusal of the U.S. “government” to ban certain dangerous ingredients in food, nutritional and pharmaceutical products can be construed as evidence of the “culture of death” in the U.S.

    I should point out that the government of France has recently banned the use of titanium dioxide in food products because of safety concerns:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-food-additive/france-to-ban-titanium-dioxide-whitener-in-food-from-2020-idUSKCN1RT23D

    The government of France apparently finally acknowledges that the “food grade” titanium dioxide powder used in food, nutritional and pharmaceutical products is dangerous to health, especially when chronically ingested. The accumulating evidence has reached the point where the question is no longer debatable between reasonable people, IMO.

    Food grade titanium dioxide is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract, enters systemic circulation and accumulates in organs and tissues, including the brain. The stuff is a neurotoxin.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30104440/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25900359/

    Would you want your young children ingesting perhaps tens of milligrams of a potent neurotoxin on a weekly basis?

    Is it any wonder that the rate of adhd in children is “skyrocketing”?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adhd-diagnoses-skyrocket-among-u-s-kids/

    (Yes “increased awareness” may be a factor but this cannot account for all of it, especially since other diseases and conditions associated with TiO2 and SiO2 food ingredients are also skyrocketing).

    Both titanium dioxide and silicon dioxide food ingredients have been shown to promote insulin resistance.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22007682/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31699096/

    Is it any wonder that the rate of type 2 diabetes in children is “skyrocketing”?

    https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/rate-of-type-2-diabetes-in-children-is-skrocketing/273-3ae6c40a-73a7-46fd-a396-42134c42bfbb

    Don’t believe me? Go into any Walmart store, pick up any package of powdered sugar donuts of any brand, e.g. “Tastykake” and look at the ingredients.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tastykake-Powdered-Sugar-Mini-Donuts-10-oz-Bag/44391569

    Or how about candy? Lots of kids like “skittles”; you see them for sale everywhere. And look at the ingredients.

    https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/are-skittles-vegan-an-in-depth-look-at-skittles-ingredients

    I could go on and on about how just one “government” agency, the FDA, is destroying our health and killing us slowly (or is allowing it to be done to us), proving that the U.S. is a “culture of death” in every meaningful sense. (Another example which I wont go into now is how the FDA deprived “the people” of pyridoxamine, a B6 vitamer with unique health and anti-aging properties viv-a-vis pyridoxine, the more common form of vitamin B6).

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  161. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    Again, I provided a meaningful answer regarding what constitutes documentary evidence. You simply choose to characterize it as being other than meaningful.

    “The U.S. “government” is the geopolitical equivalent of Ted Bundy.”

    This is an assertion. It may or may not be true. However, you automatically and unequivocally believe this statement to be true. So, prove it.

    Documentary evidence refers to:

    1. analysis of researcher intentions of specific instances that they made a conscious decision in their research to avoid presenting how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy.

    2. specific examples refers to research studies that draw conclusions that support this contention that the government exhibit extreme psychopathic tendencies.

    3. historical accounts that show the actions of the U.S. government meets the criteria employed by psychologists and psychiatrists when they diagnose a person who is a psychopath.

    4. authors from the political, historical, or psychological realm who have made similar claims by which you can draw their research and conclusions from.

    5. direct comparisons of how Bundy’s actions of psychopathic behavior mirrors federal government actions–in other words, situations involving Bundy that correlate specifically to situations involving the federal government.

    The next step is to craft your argument, citing these sources and weaving in the analysis from researchers/historians/political scientists/psychologists with your own observations.

    The floor is yours…

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  162. @Corvinus

    “Again, I provided a meaningful answer regarding what constitutes documentary evidence. You simply choose to characterize it as being other than meaningful.”

    Once again, no you didn’t. Do I have to go back and quote everything you said? You tried to obfuscate/side-track the “discussion” with the “researchers” red herring, which we both know was irrelevant hyperbole.

    In your comment #90 you said:

    “Listen, if person is going to make claims that are bombastic in nature (like how America is a continent of liars, thieves, and text book Psychopaths), then one better provide the requisite proof to back them up.”

    This proves that you understood the actual issue in dispute (i.e. Robert White’s description of America); and all the “requisite proof” a reasonable person would need can be found in the historical record. Yet in your subsequent comments you went back to the nonsensical “researchers” red herring. In your comment #126 you said:

    “I did explain **exactly** what documentary evidence is required. There was no moving of goalposts. Analysis of researcher intentions refers to specific instances that they made a conscious decision in their research to avoid presenting how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy. Specific examples refers to research studies that draw conclusions that support this contention that Americans exhibit extreme psychopathic tendencies.”

    Anyone following this discussion can see that you’re being dishonest and utterly ridiculous.

    The U.S. ‘government’ is the geopolitical equivalent of Ted Bundy.

    This is an assertion. It may or may not be true. However, you automatically and unequivocally believe this statement to be true. So, prove it.

    Most honest people familiar with history would probably agree with my analogy, whereas to someone who’s just being contrary, there is likely not enough evidence in the world. What is your standard of proof? Please give me an example of what it would take to convince you.

    “Documentary evidence refers to:

    1. analysis of researcher intentions of specific instances that they made a conscious decision in their research to avoid presenting how and why the U.S. is a culture of death and textbook psychopathy.”

    LOL! There you go again, back to the “researchers.”

    I don’t think I’m going to waste any more time arguing absurdities with you. I will just say one more thing.

    The Founders and Framers (of the constitution) never intended that one man – the “president” – would be vested with the power to start a war.

    Nowadays however, not only does the president de facto have this illegitimate power, but he has this power at a time when a war can become a nuclear war, and a nuclear war threatens all life on earth.

    This terrifying situation alone proves that we have a “culture of death”; this situation alone goes way beyond “psychopathy” and anything Robert White implied. That one man now has the power to destroy the world as we know it – perhaps just because he’s having a bad day – is a manifestation of pure evil.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  163. skrik says:
    @Iris

    which had to be hastily improvised because

    Err, with all due respect: No. WTC7 was a complex construction which would have required extensive modelling to correctly place the required charges, this would never be able to have been “improvised.” The charges would have been pre-loaded long before 9/11 itself – taking quite some time, and after all, WTCs 1 & 2 were obviously pre-loaded, so why not WTC7 too? What may have gone wrong could have been a ‘missing’ allegedly hijacked jet, or who knows? Again, with all due respect. rgds

    • Replies: @Iris
  164. skrik says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    G’day. Your link didn’t work for me, try this one:

    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/28/sciadv.abb9153

    Note that this article cites another at ref#30:

    bioRxiv, 2020.2003.2002.974139

    I found the URL, here note V1, not current V3:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.02.974139v1

    Now look to the only comment:

    “Miranda Fischer • 3 months ago
    Notice the three missing amino acids just before the SP-AA sequence? The actual sequence is SY?NSPAAR?. Which aligns well with the SYHTASILR domain of the ZXC45 and ZXC21 viruses below.” …

    Disclaimer: I’m a layman in respect to microbiology.

    But the point is hardly trivial, since it addresses the PRRA insert = furin cleavage site, IMHO “the smoking gun” = proving man-made, but I’m still trying to find ‘robust evidence.’

    Nevertheless, the REALLY BIG Q is still:

    Who released it?

    My suggested A: Some psychopath(s) with ‘form.’ rgds

  165. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    It needs to be stated again. I provided a meaningful answer regarding what constitutes documentary evidence, with five particular examples. You simply choose to characterize it as being other than meaningful. It is patently disappointing that you are taking this route and as a result are being obtuse, dishonest, and ridiculous.

    Are you done, or will you continue with the charade?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  166. Iris says:
    @skrik

    You misunderstood me. It is not the “pre-wired”demolition installation that was improvised, but making the decision to pull down WTC7.

    Indeed, WTC7 was pre-loaded, but I think that its demolition was not in the initial plan. It was hastily decided after the Twin Towers collapsed, because WTC7 bore obvious signs of explosion-caused collateral damage having occurred from within, and thus unexpectedly became a smoking gun screaming of controlled demolition. Regards.

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/what-google-and-facebook-are-hiding/#comment-3935248

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/is-this-controlled-demolition-all-over-again/#comment-3919323

    • Replies: @skrik
  167. skrik says:
    @Sean

    Israel snubs Beijing to give mega desalination project to local firm days after Pompeo warned about Chinese money
    26 May, 2020 12:10
    https://www.rt.com/news/489783-israel-snubs-china-desalination/

    rgds

  168. skrik says:
    @Iris

    Thanks. I think that ‘7’ *had* to come down, for many reasons. It was apparently not heavily damaged:

    https://www.gettyimages.ch/detail/nachrichtenfoto/police-scooter-sits-in-the-rubble-in-lower-manhattan-nachrichtenfoto/119746556

    rgds

    • Replies: @Iris
  169. @Corvinus

    “It is patently disappointing that you are taking this route and as a result are being obtuse, dishonest, and ridiculous.”

    ROTFL! Well look who’s talkin! You’re supposed to be looking at your monitor, not your mirror, as you type your drivel!

  170. Iris says:
    @skrik

    Great photo.; thank you.
    Please excuse my ignorance: is that WTC7 standing in the background, completely undamaged?

    There is also this video, filmed 30 minutes before WTC7 collapsed, and showing that WTC7 had very little signs of damage, with office fire coming out of two levels only (From 03:00).

    The journalist talked of “controlled explosion”, by the way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=615&v=Tgo_VLD4WbU&feature=emb_logo

    • Replies: @skrik
  171. skrik says:
    @Iris

    is that WTC7 standing in the background

    Yes, and thanks for the video. WTC7 had minor fires, some ‘flying’ debris damage and some internal damage of ‘questionable’ origin – but not as a result of any nukes. Here’s some proof [search for ‘formula’]:

    http://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk1/1989/8909/8909.PDF

    rgds

  172. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  173. @MEH 0910

    Let’s ignore for the moment the fact that in June and July of 2019, dozens of residents of the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, Virginia were sickened by a “mysterious respiratory illness” which killed three people, and which was very likely COVID-19.

    And let’s say for the sake of argument that the virus escaped from a lab in Wuhan.

    How likely is it that many participants in the military games in Wuhan (which ended on Oct. 27) could’ve been sickened with COVID-19 while in attendance at the games or shortly after returning home – in either case several weeks before the first Chinese patient was infected? The virus somehow went from the lab right to the games? Or the participants making the claims are all liars? Or they’re delusional? Or maybe they just just had bad colds?

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11565077/fears-coronavirus-europe-october-french-athletes-military-games-wuhan/

    “According to French news channel BFMTV, a number of athletes returned to France with unusual symptoms, including fevers and body aches.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327047/More-competitors-reveal-ill-World-Military-Games.htm

    “Jacqueline Bock, part of the German volleyball team, told The Mail on Sunday how she and her colleagues contracted Covid-19 at the event in the city.

    ‘After a few days, some athletes from my team got ill,’ she said. ‘I got sick in the last two days.’”

  174. Before we believe anything we need to ask ourselves is the person speaking in a position to know …

    Having witnessed the assassinations of both his uncle and his father and authored the book ‘American Values: Lessons I Learned from my Family, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, may be such an authority.

    This is from his website:

    For anyone willing to look, there’s so many facts that tell the true story of this lockdown lunacy, but the MSM – with a few notable exceptions – is oddly silent on all the good news. Luckily, an unexpected group – many of them doctors and scientists – have emerged to tell the truth, despite facing extreme criticism and censorship from an angry mob desperate to continue fighting an imaginary war.

    [MORE]

    Fact #1: The Infection Fatality Rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.07-0.20%, in line with seasonal flu
    Fact #2: The risk of dying from COVID-19 is much higher than the average IFR for older people and those with co-morbidities, and much lower than the average IFR for younger healthy people, and nearing zero for children
    Fact #3: People infected with COVID-19 who are asymptomatic (which is most people) do NOT spread COVID-19
    Fact #4: Emerging science shows no spread of COVID-19 in the community (shopping, restaurants, barbers, etc.)
    Fact #5: Published science shows COVID-19 is NOT spread outdoors
    Fact #6: Science shows masks are ineffective to halt the spread of COVID-19, and The WHO recommends they should only be worn by healthy people if treating or living with someone with a COVID-19 infection
    Fact #7: There’s no science to support the magic of a six-foot barrier
    Fact #8: The idea of locking down an entire society had never been done and has no supportable science, only theoretical modeling
    Fact #9: The epidemic models of COVID-19 have been disastrously wrong, and both the people and the practice of modeling has a terrible history
    Fact #10: The data shows that lockdowns have NOT had an impact on the course of the disease
    Fact #11: Florida locked down late, opened early, and is doing fine, despite predictions of doom
    Fact #12: New York’s above average death rate appears to be driven by a fatal policy error combined with aggressive intubations.
    Fact #13: Public health officials and disease epidemiologists do NOT consider the other negative societal consequences of lockdowns
    Fact #14: There is a predictive model for the viral arc of COVID-19, it’s called Farr’s Law, and it was discovered over 100 years ago
    Fact #15: The lockdowns will cause more death and destruction than COVID-19 ever did
    Fact #16: All these phased re-openings are utter nonsense with no science to support them, but they will all be declared a success
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-the-thinking-persons-guide

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