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The bad news is that two of the most powerful institutions in America have anointed me a “COVID super-spreader.” The good news is that I stand accused of super-spreading “COVID conspiracy theories,” not the actual disease. But the worse news is that the way things are going, “conspiracy spreaders” may soon be quarantined in COVID camps as threats to public health. Dissidents, it seems, are the new terrorists.

The Associated Press and the Atlantic Council simultaneously published a coordinated attack on me and others accused of propagating alternative analyses of the origin of COVID-19. Though AP writer David Klepper’s journalistic ethics need a tune-up, and though the Atlantic Council libeled me, I am honored to be recognized, however mendaciously and unethically, for my efforts to uncover and spread the obvious but unspeakable truth that COVID-19 is almost certainly a US-NATO bioweapon, most likely deliberately unleashed. If the perpetrators are eventually prosecuted for war crimes, the global bioweapons complex shuttered, and humanity saved, I will be glad to accept some of the credit. And in the more likely event that impunity prevails, and vastly worse plagues follow, I will at least be able to say I tried.

Klepper’s AP article accurately quotes me as writing that the early outbreak in Iran “suggests that the Americans and/or their partners the Israelis… may have deliberately attacked Iran.” Then Klepper quotes me out of context: “It seemed fairly obvious to me that the first hypothesis one would look at when something as extraordinary as this COVID pandemic hits, is that it would be a US bio-war strike.” That statement, shorn of context, sounds nutty. Klepper deliberately left out my prior statements laying out the historical and geostrategic context.

Historical context: US military-intelligence services and their allies have repeatedly waged biological warfare on many nations, including Korea, Cuba, Russia, Zimbabwe, and (almost certainly) China; attacked their own Congress, as well as journalists, with anthrax; and then used their own anthrax attack on America to massively boost the germ warfare budget, spending billions on such items as “gain of function” research on extremely dangerous bat coronaviruses, among other pathogens. COVID-19 wouldn’t be the first US military plague: The “discoverer” of Lyme disease, Willie Burgdorfer, tearfully confessed on video that he had in fact manufactured Lyme for the US biowar complex. For evidence supporting the above assertions, see the links and sources in my pre-COVID article “US Biological Warfare: A toxic cocktail of germ warfare and big lies.”

Geostrategic context: The current #1 world military power, the US, is desperately seeking to thwart the economic rise of the emerging #2 power, China. As Graham Allison has observed in The Thucydides Trap, “when one great power threatens to displace another, war is almost always the result…” And that war is almost always launched by the #1 power in hopes of pre-empting #2’s rise. So according to historical precedent, we should expect the US to use military means to try to stop the rise of China. Since China’s rise is driven by its extraordinary and sustained economic growth, we would expect the US to target China’s economy. An obvious way of doing that is through biological warfare.

Such efforts have probably been ongoing for at least a decade. Chinese sources have alleged that bird flu and swine flu were deliberately spread throughout China by US military agents in order to deprive China of its main sources of meat. COVID-19, which mysteriously showed up in Wuhan (the transit hub for all China) on the biggest travel date, Chinese New Year, in the wake of a visit by a very dicey American Military Games team, looks like yet another US bio-attack aimed at harming China’s economy and smearing it as the source of the “Chinese virus” or “Wuhan flu.” That analysis seems even more likely in the light of the next target, the Iranian-government-linked clerics at the center of the subsequent outbreak in Qom.

The analysis I have just outlined is admirably developed in Ron Unz’s article “American Pravda: Our Coronavirus Catastrophe as Biowarfare Blowback?” The strongest evidence I raised, cited by Klepper, was stressed by Ron Unz in his presentation at the COVID Biowar webinar as well as his article: “It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.”

If the AP and behind it the Atlantic Council were looking for influential individuals responsible for spreading the hypothesis that COVID-19 is a US bioweapon, they should have called Ron Unz, as I strongly urged David Klepper to do. So why didn’t Ron make the list? Perhaps Klepper and his Mockingbird masters didn’t want to direct attention to Ron’s terrific essay. Indeed, the usual suspects seem terrified by that article. Shortly after it was published, the Unz Review was suddenly hit with massive, seemingly coordinated censorship by Google and Facebook.

Would David Klepper deliberately steer readers away from Ron Unz and “American Pravda: Our Coronavirus Catastrophe as Biowarfare Blowback?” Would he knowingly and intentionally use an out-of-context quote to try to make me look irrational? Quite possibly. After all, he violated journalistic ethics and basic human decency when he broke his promise to share his recording of his interview with me. As I wrote to Ron Unz today:

Hi Ron,

Odd how you and your article were ignored, while I got all the credit for your ideas (with which I happen to agree, but still…)

I did an interview with the author, David Klepper, a few months ago, cited your “blowback” article, and urged him to contact you. Did he?

When he recorded the interview on Zoom he said I could record it, then pretended to be confused and unable to change the setting to allow me to do so. I said I wouldn’t do the interview unless he promised to share his recording with me. He agreed, then later reneged and lied about what happened. See below.

Best

Kevin

Ron Unz responded:

Thanks, Kevin, and the silence is a bit irritating but hardly unexpected. And I certainly never heard from him.

I’m pretty sure that the ADL and similar organizations have for fairly obvious reasons issued some sort of edict prohibiting MSM from mentioning my name or my publication. In fact, I published a column about the situation last year:

https://www.unz.com/runz/ideological-purges-and-the-lord-voldemort-effect/

As one example, there was a huge Internet controversy last year that actually got into the NYT, WashPost, and various other MSM outlets. I read the story in my morning NYT and wondered what it was all about, only later discovering that it was actually regarding my own website.

Similarly, an SPLC investigator published a huge hit-piece against Stephen Miller, probably the most hated Trump official, trying to force him to resign by associating with all sort of “controversial” writers. One of the main pieces was originally published on my website, surely providing him with “associations” sufficiently inflammatory to sink Miller, but they scrupulously avoided mentioning us, thereby saving him. Apparently, maintaining the blackout about our publication was more important than taking Miller’s scalp.

Even a year or two ago, an NYT journalist interviewed me for an hour or so about the Harvard admissions lawsuit, then later sent me a note apologizing that she’d only been able to use a couple of my quotes in her article. But when the piece actually ran, the quotes had all disappeared.

Best,

Ron

If David Klepper were an honest journalist, he certainly would have contacted Ron Unz, the author of the best article outlining the “biowarfare blowback” hypothesis I articulated. And he wouldn’t have allowed his superiors to erase Ron Unz and the Unz Review from his article, or from the media in general.

Likewise, if Klepper were honest, he would have kept his promise to share his recording of our interview. I could have posted that recording here, and you could have listened and heard me laying out the historical and geostrategic context explaining why the “first hypothesis” about COVID should be a US biowar strike. Without the recording, it is my word against his: I clearly remember laying out the context, while he can pretend I didn’t, or more likely, just ignore me.

I always insist on the right to a complete and unedited recording of all interviews I do with anyone, including the FBI. If you let someone else record you, they can cherry pick your words, rip them out of context, and use them to misrepresent you. The complete, original recording of the entire interview is your only defense.

Klepper violated elementary journalistic ethics by breaking his promise to share the interview recording with me, and then deliberately taking a quote out of context to make me look irrational. But his partners in crime at the Atlantic Council actually libeled me:

“Press TV and other Iranian outlets also amplified claims made by E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars Magazine – also cited by the Southern Poverty Law Center as anti-Semitic– and Kevin Barret, a US Holocaust denier who has also claimed that the September 11 attacks were an ‘inside job’ by the George W. Bush Administration.”

Besides spelling my name wrong, the Atlanticists not only falsely accused me of “Holocaust denial” but made that my primary identity, with only a secondary interest 9/11 truth! In fact my career as a public figure was launched entirely through my participation in the 9/11 truth movement. I have published several books and thousands of articles on 9/11 and related subjects, and appeared all over the mainstream media, including the New York Times (here and here), NPR, Chicago Tribune, The Christian Science Monitor, CNN, the Daily Beast, and elsewhere, as a 9/11 scholar and activist.

In stark contrast, I have devoted less time to researching and discussing the Holocaust than to dozens if not hundreds of other issues. I do see the Holocaust as a free speech issue, and for that reason, I occasionally discuss it on my broadcasts, which are devoted to free speech on controversial topics, just as I discuss hundreds of other hot-button issues.

On the Holocaust, as on COVID as biowar blowback, I must defer to Ron Unz, who has written a terrific article on “Holocaust Denial.” Ron comes down hard on the side of the revisionists being right. I don’t come down quite that hard. But after doing cursory research, I can’t help noticing that the revisionists like Thomas Dalton and Germar Rudolf and Nick Kollerstrom make a better case, arguing from logic and (forensic) evidence, than their most prominent opponents. Deborah Lipstadt, for example, is a hysterical nitwit who wouldn’t know a rational-empirical argument from an Israeli flag; while the other leading anti-revisionist volume, co-authored by Shermer and Grobman, is less ludicrous but almost equally unconvincing. Still, after a handful of books and a few dozen hours of conversations and films, I’m not well-informed enough to “deny” anything.

So how did I get libeled with false accusations of “holocaust denial”? They were invented out of whole cloth in 2006, after I became well known for my 9/11 work, but before I had thought or read much of anything on the Holocaust debate. Libelous assertions linking me to three “holocaust deniers,” two of whom I had never heard of and the third of whom I had never read, cropped up on my Wikipedia page and were kept there for several years by Wikipedia management, despite dozens of attempts to remove them by many different people.

After weathering years of my complaints, Wikipedia finally removed my entire page. But I am still being libeled as a “Holocaust denier”—on Ron Unz’s page! What evidence does the august “people’s encyclopedia” cite? An obviously facetious article, published on April Fool’s Day, with am unmistakably ironic title:

34 Barrett, Kevin (April 1, 2011). “I Am a Holocaust Denier”. Retrieved March 11, 2020.

Irony, of course, is a figure of speech in which the real meaning is the opposite of the surface meaning. My article is a darkly ironic April Fool’s joke. It is obviously not a serious statement that I am a Holocaust denier in the sense that Wikipedia’s lying and libelous editors are construing it, or pretending to.

Why are anonymous Wikipedia “editors” allowed to libel people with impunity? Why are those libelous lies spread mindlessly by media and think tanks? Why are professional journalists like David Klepper allowed to lie and break their promises to interviewees? Why do people like Klepper take quotes out of context in service to character assassination?

No wonder more and more people hate the media. No wonder an angry mob smashed the media’s equipment outside the Capitol on January 6th.

Once the American people figure out how badly they have been lied to by their rulers, not least of all concerning US-biowar COVID-19, the Capitol “insurrection” may turn out to be a relatively tame and mild precursor of bigger and more consequential things to come.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. JWalters says:

    Since the anthrax attack on Congress used anthrax from Fort Detrick, and was part of the 9/11 terror operation to launch Israel’s war against Iraq (using American men and money), and since Covid has marks of being manufactured, it’s logical to suspect Israel is also behind the current bio-warfare attack. As Ron Unz pointed out, a peculiarly high number of Iranian leaders were hit with Covid peculiarly quickly. (Soleimani anyone?) There’s a lot of evidence that America is Israel’s dumb muscle when it comes to war. And history shows Israel is a master at false flags, using other people as patsies.

  2. Franz says:

    Why are anonymous Wikipedia “editors” allowed to libel people with impunity?

    ‘Cuz they’re the fuzz.

    They might as well all be wearing ballcaps saying “We’re the Narcs of Century 21” even though the old ones are still around.

    The ‘net and all the geniuses of Silicon Valley were spooks to begin with. It was whispered. It was suspected. But everybody hoped…

    Don’t we always?

    • Replies: @Lucy Lipinska
  3. Kevin Barrett: Much appreciate your advice on having/making your own recording on each and every interview you are involved in—particularly with the FBI. Currently, the FBI (little brother of the Agency and their control over all other federal departments including State ,DHS and DEA) creates criminals. That is their bureaucratic imperative, as how else are they going to stay in business.

    Three years ago I was able to interview three youthful Somali-Americans, who were recruited to head off to Syria to join I$I$. Who recruited them? A slightly older Somali “friend” who had been arrested by the Feebees and then turned into not only a snitch, but also a provocateur as part of the demonization of Muslims agenda. That situation ultimately turned into a huge show trial in Minneapolis ,sporting heavy media coverage, as the crescendo to that particular hit by the FBI.

    Also high on the agenda is imposition of gun-control. It is more than slightly probable that mind-control psychotronic weaponry has been used to create “crazy shooters”. This is set-up to agitate those suburban soccer mom types to react out of imposed fear in order to support, at least tacitly, the overarching agenda to disarm the American people.

    You maybe will read it here first. Now that the (S)election dog and pony show is over and subsequently the stage play of the Impeachment circus has mostly run its course, that old gun control trope is largely to get a major media splash as soon as the next “crazy shooter” incident is orchestrated. Probable targets would be either children or assisted living senior housing centers. The tear-jerk value would be most useful to the shotcallers in places like Langley, Wall $treet and at a major Crime Family Complex a ways up the Hudson River valley.

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  4. Well?
    We do not know one way or the other. And we will never have a positive proof.
    So there is only one Question. Who gains? And that question can be answered quite easily,
    Pharmaceutical companies are making a killing from this epidemic..
    But there is one thing to be done. Chinese should establish some kosher police to supervise those open markets.

  5. …. the obvious but unspeakable truth that COVID-19 is almost certainly a US-NATO bioweapon, most likely deliberately unleashed.

    That’s what I’ve believed for about 10 months now (although I considered it possible that it was a China / US Democrats / Globalists bioweapon). Rather quickly, far too many things lined-up quite neatly and the Marxists in the USA appeared to already have their talking points and an agenda arranged and abided-by.

    The relative uniformity of the Covid policies fronted by most Dem Governors are, but one, glaring example; there are many others.

  6. There seems to be too much confusion between “reasons to be suspicious” and “proof of guilt”. I am referring here to all the parties. [email protected]

  7. Are our bioweapons so crappy that they are 99.95% ineffective. If anything wiping out as many of your enemies elderly and sick would benefit them as cold hearted as it sounds. Kind of a stupid theory when you think about it. More likely a Chinese bio Chernobyl that lucky for the world wasn’t as bad as it could’ve been.

    • LOL: Sean
  8. Sean says:

    The Wuhan bat lady found that bat crap (then used as an eye medicine for humans in China) caused disease in mice that breathed it, and she said there was a proto disease of humans in bats.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-
    With the SARS virus, just how the civets got it remained a mystery. Two previous incidents were telling: Australia’s 1994 Hendra virus infections, in which the contagion jumped from horses to humans, and Malaysia’s 1998 Nipah virus outbreak, in which it moved from pigs to people. Wang found that both diseases were caused by pathogens that originated in fruit-eating bats. Horses and pigs were merely the intermediate hosts. Bats in the Guangdong market also contained traces of the SARS virus, but many scientists dismissed this as contamination. Wang, however, thought bats might be the source. In those first virus-hunting months in 2004, whenever Shi’s team located a bat cave, it would put a net at the opening before dusk and then wait for the nocturnal creatures to venture out to feed for the night.

  9. Dumbo says:

    As far as “bioweapons” go, this is probably the lamest. Except the real “bioweapon” is the media.

    Countries such as Nepal were too poor to test everybody or maintain long lockdowns, so they basically “stopped fighting the pandemic” and it just went away.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/11/its-as-if-theres-no-covid-nepal-defies-pandemic-amid-a-broken-economy

    The same is true of many poor countries in Africa and Asia. The best you can do about this “pandemic” is to ignore it…

    I wish you could ignore the vaccine too, I mean the mRNA cocktail, but they won’t let us, they really want to inject that concoction into every living soul.

  10. GMC says:

    Bravo Doc, keep up the pressure on the One World Order freaks. Don’t let Biden get away with it either . Spaciba

  11. Dear Kevin,

    I respect your work very much and that’s why I would like to ask you what you think about Nick Kollerstrom’s article:

    https://www.unz.com/article/there-is-no-pandemic/

    Going by the data he presents, it really does appear that there are no such things as SARS-COV2 and covid-19, and that we have instead been subjected to a theatre of fear. The only thing I can’t figure out using this hypothesis is the sudden deaths of a number of Iranian government ministers in early 2020.

    At the same time, your references to the numerous times that the US engaged in biowarfare are irrefutable, and thus I’m left in a bit of a quandary. Each hypothesis (yours and Kollerstrom’s) is thoroughly researched; each explains several aspects of the covid story; and yet they are, on the face of it, mutually contradictory.

    Or perhaps, both might be true, in some sense? That is, it could be that a real bioweapon was used against Iran, one which mutated quickly into something benign perhaps, but only the menace of it was used against the rest of the world, for all the obvious reasons. This is all just speculation, of course.

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    , @Gulnare
  12. Tom Welsh says:

    ‘Then Klepper quotes me out of context: “It seemed fairly obvious to me that the first hypothesis one would look at when something as extraordinary as this COVID pandemic hits, is that it would be a US bio-war strike.” That statement, shorn of context, sounds nutty’.

    No, actually it sounds very reasonable. The trouble with most Americans is that, even when following a hot trail of wrongdoing and deceit, they usually cling to the notion that the good ol’ USA could never deliberately do any harm.

    When the world’s leading terrorist organisation (for the past 70 years or more) also operates far more bio-research and virology labs worldwide than anyone else – probably by a factor of 10 or more – and they are encouraged to work on “gain of function”, the idea of a US bio-war strike sounds extremely plausible.

    Especially when one considers the broader context – the USA hurtling towards bankruptcy, the dollar rapidly losing its global status, and the Pentagon frankly admitting that it is utterly impotent against China, Russia or even Iran.

  13. Schuetze says:

    Haaretz jumps on the dog pile and empties a clip from their Uzi into the squirming goyim “superspreaders”.

    The Superspreaders Behind Top COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories
    Their claims were explosive. Their evidence was weak. These are the superspreaders

    As far as holocaust denial goes, man up and stop the cucky “Still, after a handful of books and a few dozen hours of conversations and films, I’m not well-informed enough to “deny” anything.“. It will do you no good anyway, and you just sound like a palestinian child being mugged by a brigade of kippa wearing IDF thugs .

    • Agree: Druid55
  14. Releasing COVID-19 in China, in order to harm China, but also in the full expectation that it would circle back to the US and become a pretext for impugning the Trump administration, is something the Deep State and the CIA in particular are much too ethical to do.

    Said no one ever.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  15. Tom Welsh says:

    ‘As Graham Allison has observed in The Thucydides Trap, “when one great power threatens to displace another, war is almost always the result…”’

    The unseemly rush to appear scholarly by arm waving about the Peloponnesian War does not justify such quite inaccurate comparisons.

    The proposition cited is often true under any circumstances. But not always in the simplistic way suggested.

    For example, when the USA was rising to become the world’s greatest power in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it certainly did provoke huge wars.

    But not between itself and others. Oh no. Instead, it was a question of “let’s you and him fight”, stirring up wars between Germany and the rest of Europe. In 1900 Germany was the great threat to US supremacy, followed at some distance by Russia. Curious, then, that both world wars between them comprehensively wrecked both Germany and Russia.

    While in both cases the USA entered the war on the winning side when the decisive fighting was already over, just in time to pick up the spoils and dictate the terms of peace.

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  16. Jiminy says:

    Clearly you know you are doing your job properly if you are now getting the responses from the establishment that you talk of. You’re obviously treading on toes, and some don’t like it. When they perform the full number on you, at least you’ll be able to hold your head up high, knowing of the esteemed company that you are now in. The number of public figures and authors that are being memory-holed seems to grow on a daily basis.
    It does seem to go against the grain though, to draw attention to alternate thinkers. Sometimes it’s best to let sleeping dogs lie. I know that if I mention the Unz review to any of my associates, all I get in return is a blank stare.
    I’m starting to think that this supposedly new strain of the Maryland flu from South Africa may have been planted there on the hope that it will spread elsewhere and exacerbate the situation. If you take note of what the experts say, then the new flu should really become rather benign with time, not the opposite. Why wasn’t a new strain prevalent in Spain or India? India especially as it has a high number of people suffering from HIV, like Africa. A lot is happening that seems to go against the processes of nature.
    But as somebody once said,“absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

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  17. ValMonde says:

    So, you fell for the “the (sound)check is in the mail” line. You knew you shouldn’t be talking to Klepper without recording the interview and yet, you went ahead and did it anyway. I’m curious why. At the end of the day, people with a credulity problem are people with a credibility problem.

    • Agree: Frank McGar
  18. There once was a journalist named Klepper
    Who treated Ron Unz just like a leper,
    “I dare not utter his name
    Else I lose my job and my fame!”
    Rather, he sneezed at free speech like fresh pepper.

    p.s. I was tempted to repost here a video clip of Robert Faurisson interviewed by Gilad Atzmon. Last I checked it got stripped off youtube, or maybe Unz Review itself crushed it like a small can. (?) Instead I offer FYI Dr. Chris Exley re: aluminum in vaccines — and elsewhere. It is HUGE. Start Here:

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  19. cranc says:

    All a huge badge of honor Kevin, and an indication that your approach is as right on this as it was on 9/11.
    I am surprised to have read a prediction by Keith Woods yesterday, that the whole Covid thing will be over by the end of the year and that things will return ‘more or less to how they were pre-pandemic’.
    [tweet 15th Feb].

    The dollar is collapsing, the food supply chain is being completely re-shaped -with a likely famine coming, the (elsewhere predicted) power cuts are becoming more prevalent, there are vaccine programs for six year olds now, opinion leaders are telling us that vaccines will need updating every 6 to 12 months, the centre of US government is now a military zone, UBI is just around the corner….
    We live in a time of lightning paced revolutionary change, where the very notion of what it means to be a human being is in flux.
    People like Woods -although smart enough to be sceptical of things as controversial as WWII orthodoxies, are just not engaging with what is taking place, and the narrative writers will not abandon Covid before they abandon, say, the holocaust story. I guess many people just do not want to look for fear of what they might see. (Go to IceAgeFarmer, anyone who does).

  20. I can’t comment on 911 matters and others, but on this SARS-CoV-2 matter, I am sure there is more to it than what our western MSM(NYT, CNN) has been pushing so far.

    My own family member contracted what we now believe to have been Covid-19 in Sept 2019, and lost her sense of smell and taste totally and was sick for almost 2 months. This was just after a business trip to Asia.

    I believe those around her did not contract it, or were infected, but asymptomatic. This might be because, as I explained to Ron Unz before, in the early days of the SARS-CoV-2 spread(1H 2019 and 2H 2019), the early variants were not as infectious as the later mutated variants like now, with the B1117 UK variant, the D614G variant and S.African variant.

    During the early days, a family member could contract Covid-19, but her family living in the same house might escape if she isolated herself properly. I’ve seen this happen in some possible cases in the early days.

    My thinking is that either 1)the WHO idea of a natural pathway from bats to animals to humans will eventually be correct, or if 2)it is from a lab release, then it has to be from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick, that was shutdown for almost 8 months when the CDC suspected that viruses had leaked from it through the wastewater for almost a one year continuous period from May 2018 to June 2019, when they switched to chemical sterilization after their steam sterilization plant burned down.

    In the 2) idea, the virus spread from USAMRIID out, infected some locals, but wasn’t very infectious as it was an early variant and was mistaken as flu or vaping deaths, and thus flew under the radar and eventually spread from the US to Europe, Asia and China. Afterwards it mutated as we see now, into more infectious variants, causing much larger numbers of infected.

    To prove 2), it would be very easy. Just test the samples from the Greenspring RC(nearby to USAMRIID), whose seniors were struck by a mysterious and fatal mass illness in July 2019. But I think CDC has destroyed those samples under orders of Pompeo, after finding that they tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

    CDC and Pompeo have been going around destroying all samples from 2019, acc. to media reports, and not denied by CDC. My belief is that Pompeo and the CDC realized the virus may have originated from USAMRIID and they panicked like high school girls, desperately trying to cover it up.

    As for Trump, this village idiot probably just went along with whatever Pompeo suggested and tried to put the blame on China to help his foolish attempt at a trade war, that ended as a colossal failure, just like his low-class, sleazy business ventures.

    This whole tragic mess probably would have been greatly lessened if we had competent leadership instead of a delusional moron for POTUS. Sadly, I’m not sure if Hillary would be up to doing the job properly either.

  21. Anyone who hasn’t done it should go and read up on how US scientists flew to Alaska to dig up frozen corpses to harvest samples of the 1918 global pandemic flu. It’s in the CDC website and makes thrilling reading. Also how the samples melted and escaped everywhere, and also you may gawk at the picture of a researcher using a mouth pipette to transfer a sample of the 1918 global pandemic virus.

    I don’t take away anything from their dedication, but it’s obvious that such actions when seen in hindsight, show how deadly viruses were harvested for research and makes us question whether research could have been done more safely through other pathways.

  22. dimples says:

    The problem with poor old Kevin is that there are not enough good quality conspiracies to go around, so in order to keep his show going he needs to continually scrape the bottom of the barrel and bring up the shitty ones. Now some of the dregs dredged up are coming back to bite him on the bottom.

    America is of course full of many loons, really dumb loons, so dumb you can’t really believe it, and many of these have guns, so it really does not matter if the conspiracy theories featured by Kevin’s guests are viable or just plain ridiculous. Any conspiracy theory is deemed ‘bad’ by our leftist gatekeepers because they interfere with the smooth functioning of the fake news orthodox political propaganda machine. If nothing can be deemed to have a straightforward politically acceptable explanation any longer, its the road to social and cultural schizophrenia. And not in a good way like, say, transgender health officials and poofter or lesbo action on every TV show.

    By dabbling in Covid conspiracies, Kevin has become a danger to the state. Or at least, some leftist gatekeeper organisations think he is, which is even worse. The orthodoxy isn’t even going to allow the notion that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, so it sure as hell is going to be upset by the idea that the virus is a US bioweapon cockup or not. Virus orthodoxy is important because the virus is a real serious problem for the political class. It doesn’t want the masses seething with alternative ideas. It just wants them to sit quiet and passive so they can get on with injecting them with their expensive vaccines and wait and see if they work. They won’t of course but that is a problem for later.

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  23. @Keith snipes

    Well, they did manage to destroy the economy of the world

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    , @The Alarmist
  24. onebornfree says: • Website

    “COVID-19 is almost certainly a US-NATO bioweapon, most likely deliberately unleashed.”

    Certainly a distinct possibility . After all, it always pays to remember that:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” Onebornfree

    “The State is, and always has been, the great single enemy of the human race, its liberty, happiness, and progress.” Murray Rothbard

    “The State is a gang of thieves writ large – the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society.” Murray Rothbard

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    Regards, onebornfree

  25. El Dato says:

    “also cited by the Southern Poverty Law Center as anti-Semitic”

    That’s a pretty good user name.

    • LOL: John Fisher
  26. Levtraro says:
    @Keith snipes

    Are our bioweapons so crappy that they are 99.95% ineffective

    Yes. They’re like the extremely lethal Novichok. Next time we gonna have a nuclear explosion that will produce widespread skin rashes, our enemies will go crazy itching and scratching.

  27. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Theophrastus

    Food for thought:

    What if the real bioweapon is not the “virus” itself [or “mutations”], but is instead the various “vaccines” supposedly designed to “prevent/cure” it/them?

    See: https://www.garydbarnett.com/how-covid-19-vaccines-may-destroy-the-lives-of-millions-judy-mikovits-dr-mercola-must-see-video/

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Emslander
  28. @Franz

    @Franz. I’ve stopped trusting the info on Wikipedia after having checked their info about the surge of “antisemitism” in Poland Anno 1968. This might be off topic, but I seize the opportunity to shed some non-PC light on the Jewish “plight”. I was back then a University student in Wroclaw/Breslau, and there was no discrimination of Jews due etnicity. My professor and his assistants were Jews, so was the dean and the “prominent” students. I actually would claim that we, the Polish “yokels”, had it harder at the University than the (((people of the book))). That some Jews within the communist party PZPR were in 1968 “deprived” of their high positions had in fact very little to do with an anti-Jewish attitude in Poland but much with the contempt the Jews displayed towards “Slavic backwards creatures”. Since they did it even towards the Polish communists within the PZPR party, the Polish (yokel) fraction led by the patriotic Mieczyslaw Moczar started a revolt against the Jewish section. Having been successful, Mr Moczar carried out some changes that in rapid time become “anti-Semitic”.

    • Thanks: JackOH, Druid55
    • Replies: @Franz
  29. jamesc says:

    Kevin, I don’t know that much about you and what you write about – having seen your stuff, I generally ignore it.

    The reason for that is my calculation is that there is no use in my spending time on it.

    The positions that you seem to take on all issues are, in an objective sense, far away from the consensus.

    That doesn’t, of itself, mean that any given one is wrong, but it does suggest, very strongly, that you are attracted in some way, on issues which have no common factor, to positions that are only held by a minority.

    On any given topic, regardless of the facts, I would confidently predict that your take would be very much a (statistically) unusual one.

    Maybe you would agree with me on that – I think it is a reasonable comment, based on your journalistic output, that you always adopt such positions.

    Now, the question is what does that mean? One possibility is that you are discovering one hidden truth after another, and your minority positions are rational assessments of reality.

    More likely, though (to me) is that these positions do not reflect reality (maybe there are some exceptions) but reflect how you market yourself to a fanbase – a crank writing for cranks.

    So, your content has a high chance of being wrong and, when you do randomly hit the bullseye, I will get the same message from someone more reliable.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  30. anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @hyper bole

    “They” being people not the claimed virus. “They” being world leaders and various unelected lackeys of billionaires. “They” being academics that publish alarmist and flawed “scientific” models and research which is currently forbidden to be subjected to “peer review” (which is so old normal).

    This whole article, including the cute Ron Unz response (“blackout”), are all the discerning reader needs to read.

    This is a platform like all other publishing platforms. Yet this specific hangout needs to stay online. Because Ron Unz specializes in publishing a very definitive brand of agit-prop and he is collecting names and ip addresses.

    Btw, Ron, your “probability analysis” of why a flu variant would strike at middle of winter in China is ridiculous and wouldn’t stand a second in the day light of actual analysis. You are just making smoke to cover up the fact that CCP is on board with this global scam, and have the good fortune of mostly attracting the mathematically illiterate on your site. Btw, probability of a random event happening in February is 1/12. The probability of a random event happening during flu season (6 months max?) is 1/6. Those are pretty good odds there, Ron.

    “Covid hit during the Chinese new year and so it is a weapon against China”. Does Ron Unz know the chinese characters for “Ha ha, thanks for the laugh”.

    So now the burning question is: is the sacred and untouchable Ron Unz platform hosted on one of his SV friends’ Cloud platforms?

    • Replies: @frontier
  31. Sean says:

    Geostrategic context: The current #1 world military power, the US, is desperately seeking to thwart the economic rise of the emerging #2 power, China

    Why were the CIA and FBI trying to get rid of the anti China Trump then? The productive capacity of China is grown with US capital, which is the US elite’s control. The US elite are counting on huge profits from their investments in China.

    Chinese sources have alleged that bird flu and swine flu were deliberately spread throughout China by US military agents in order to deprive China of its main sources of meat.

    AIDs was from Chimps. Australia’s 1994 Hendra virus infections, and Malaysia’s 1998 Nipah virus outbreak were diseases that originated in bats. and got into other animals before becoming diseases of humans. The SARS virus of 2002 was a bat virus that got into another animal and then into humans, and the Middle Eastern origin disease MERS in 2012 (which got to Canada) was the same. Some estimates put the lethality of SARS at 33%, it just wasn’t very transmissible. like MERS.

    Creating a bioweapon out of coronavirus like SARS made less lethal than SARS while a lot more transmissible seem rather silly, because it could not be stopped, and if it developed a little unexpected virulence might kill 100 million people in America alone. But lets assume there was a repository with such a bioweapon, you could not just go and get it out of the store, you would need to have order from the very top in writing and countersigned. Even then!

    A bioweapon would be guarded by special troops like nuclear weapons are. Thermonuclear warheads require special codes to activate them , and no one is going to be given unlocked (ie useable) nuclear weapon no matter what authorization from the very top they claim to have because that is not a regular request. The slightest irregularity in the handling of such materials is the end of all those officers’ career.

    The bioweapon would have to be weaponised, ie put into a form that it can be used in. So there would be a huge effort involving hundreds of people and the chain of command all the way to the top of the US Army. Another thing, and this is a telling point, there would have to be a nuclear red alert in case the Chinese signaled their willingness to fight by administering a specimen nuclear strike. Taking out San Diego for example would be very much on the cards (China threatened as much over Taiwan a few years ago) . The US Deep State would not count a major nuclear power like China sitting around and waiting to see what bioweapon was going to be used on them next, I can guarantee you that.

    Professor Bullmore’s hypothesis is the immune system when encountering a pathogen or otherwith being activated by autoimmunity has a tandem psychological response mechanism for isolating an infected individual from the group for the group’s benefit. It is well known that schizophrenics have diseases of inflammation like psoriasis. Psychosis and similar disorders confer high risk for COVID-19-related death independent of pre existing physical conditions.

    There is a lot of emerging science about the connection between activation of the immune system and mental derangement. Interestingly, Professor Bullmore in his book The Inflamed Mind suggests immune activation causes pessimistic rumination, brain fog, and depression. Bullmore speculates that socially undesirable behavior, which I suppose may include expounding conspiracy theories, when one’s immune system is fighting a pathogen is a group selection adaptation to separate an infectious person person from the rest of their tribe. Maybe keeping them cackling away to themselves while on the internet in an unventilated basement serves the same function.

    It has also been suggested that the evolutionary pressure for depression accompanying inflammation resulted in strategic withdrawal to prevent loss of social status when a person is below par. I suppose conspiracy theories could be a way of spinning one’s wheels; may well be safer that true engagement with the world. The so called anti viral Remdesivir, mainly works aganst Covid-19 by quelling the immune system. The other couple of proven treatments are thoroughgoing immune modulators, and in one case actually treatments for the very thing David Icke has: auto immune arthritis.

    Anyway Dr. Barrett, the mere fact that you are a conspiracy theorist suggests that you are in a chronic state of immune activation, so please be very careful to avoid getting Covid-19. It might hit you very hard indeed.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  32. GeeBee says:
    @GreatSocialist

    This whole tragic mess probably would have been greatly lessened if we had competent leadership instead of a delusional moron for POTUS.

    Agreed, but you only tell half the story. Look at how China coped – the graph provided by Godfree Roberts in his piece yesterday, for example, of deaths per 100,000 population. China was almost off the scale at the bottom, while the UK, the USA, Italy etc were up above 1,500 per 100,000.

    That tells you a lot about how we should define ‘competent leadership’. In a ‘democracy’, where the government is owned by big business and controlled by the media, the nominal figureheads get changed every few years when ‘elections’ allow ‘the people’ to ‘decide’ who rules them. It is surely now abundantly clear why I place those much-vaunted concepts in quote marks: ‘the people’ get to decide nothing, whereas the limited room for manoeuvre that is allowed the (s)elected politicians – including the President of the USA – gives them the chance of making a huge balls-up of an event like Covid-1984. In this case it is partly ‘Big-Pharma’ whom we should have in our sights when we ask the telling question ‘cui bono?’ We might well identify Wall Street also, and the MIC, as well as others.

    The point is that none of these toxic interest groups are able to sway the policies of the Chinese government. They operate a one-party state and so there is no four-yearly dog and pony show regarding ‘electing’ a new President. In other words, the Chinese government has no need to make policy decisions with an eye on the election, and it is thus able to deliver good and effective governance – or as you put it, competent leadership.

    Democracy was always a sham. Today, it is positively toxic.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Poco
  33. TKK says:

    Covid-19 is a product of the Chinese refusal to stop eating everything that walks, crawls, flies, swims or slithers.

    Just as Ebola and HIV stem from Africans eating primates and bush meat.

    Zoonotic diseases are more virulent because our systems have never been exposed to those pathogens.

    No one will discover how and what the Chinese knew because the entire world gives them a hand job when they should view them with grave suspicion and protect their own populations from China’s avarice and superiority complex.

    The West used Covid-19 as a power grab, to ruin small small businesses, and to further enrich Big Tech and Titan Corporations, e.g. Amazon and Wal Mart enriched by billions in the pandemic. Even well recognized names such as Godiva have been forced to close during this enforced “Depression.”

    To blame Israel and her American allies for every world crisis dilutes credible evidence when corruption is real. American elites have never needed any help being specious and craven.

    Note: Covid-19 does seem to cause catastrophic breathing problems for the obese. If you are obese, and are exposed, it could be fatal. Do not believe it is entirely a hoax based on authors who wants clicks.

    • Replies: @Fred777
    , @ANon 53
  34. Publius 2 says:

    There is no “COVID-19.” It’s the common cold.

    So many normies, even here.

  35. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @thotmonger

    There once were some jews from Berlin
    Said to be great purveyors of sin
    Chancelor Adolf they crossed
    Into camps they were tossed
    But no lampshade was made from their skin

  36. TKK says:

    Another sinister development of American machinations is the Big Box refusing to sell small farmers seeds during the “pandemic”.

    In Democrat run states, Home Depot and Lowes sectioned off the seed and agriculture aisle during “lock down”. Even if you managed to dart in and grab some packs, the cashiers were instructed to refuse to check you out. I believe even the computers were not allowed to scan the packs.

    Seed catalogues that are small have been lately stating that their website are down because of “traffic.”

    Is that true? It seems mighty convenient.

    Add in Gates becoming the largest farm land owner in America, Monsanto’s organized thuggery and the effortless access to State EBT cards now (Food Stamps) and something is afoot worth investigation but the actual crimes in the USA are never investigated.

    • Thanks: Majority of One, Spanky
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  37. No matter how much truth is disseminated on alternative sites the issue always was and always will be “will it make a dent with the mob”. On this point I am not at all optimistic. Back in my naive pre-internet days I always thought that if there was a way to get truth out, very many people would devour it, become shocked and organize to right wrongs. It was obviously a form of projecting.

    When I started with the internet in 1999, a relatively cheap PC, internet connection and printer was available to households like VCR’s a couple of decades before. At the time I estimated that only 30% were online but good for me because instead of arguing with idiot friends about historical issues I would simple print down very concise information from unimpeachable sources and let the facts speak for themselves. To my utter dismay most of the materials I passed on went unread and a large part ‘disappeared’. It took me a long time to realize that nobody was interested in the truth and nobody wanted to read anything that would upset their world view. The latter has psychological implications and the world view would be defended with the ferocity of a mamma bear protecting her cubs.

    So here we are with almost everybody having a goodly sum of world knowledge and opinion in their very pockets, a few keystrokes away and people are noticeably more unintelligent and arrogant about it than before. For me it always goes back to my oft repeated quote from Thomas Edison:

    ” Only 5% of people think. 10% think that they think and 85% would sooner die than think”.

    The big boys know this. I think that they had a scare shortly after 9/11 but then when the entire issue dispersed into a tower of babble which they assisted (hologram planes) they knew what every farmer knows that it is easier to move a herd of 100 cows than to chase down 3.

    Here is the rub that just very recently occurred to me, it being hidden in plain sight. As we speak the internet is being overtly destroyed as a platform for (free) thought. It all started in lockstep with the Covid bullshit. You cannot separate the two. Even the most aware are only lately realizing that we are the frogs in the proverbial pot. Just do a quick reflection on the blatant insanity that has unfolded in the last calendar year and the speed at which it is accelerating.

    Is day to day life right now in the Western world much different than it was for citizens in communist countries during the Brezhnev era? Is it eventually going to move into Uncle Joe’s era? Are we going to experience the “oh how we burned…” of Solzhenistyn’s recollection?

    My only optimism is that there is a ‘silent majority’ out there that MSM obscures and that they greatly outnumber the Antifa Red Guards and the sickening ‘normies’ and most importantly have a line in the sand behind which it would make no sense to go. But without organized defense it becomes another Holodomor. Did I ever foresee a time when I thought a serious solar flare would be a most welcome event? Not until now.

    [Rant off]

    Cheers-

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  38. @Ray Caruso

    Said no one ever.

    Something else no one has ever explained is how come that first Trump impeachment was so rushed but then was held back from delivery to the Senate for weeks on weeks. Then delivered just coincidentally to have the Senate trial coincide with the first reports of alarm from China.

    Nancy, Nancy, Nancy…. so sly.

    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @Sean
  39. moi says:
    @JWalters

    Minds sick enough to invent the first nuke are sick enough to invent Covid.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @lavoisier
  40. mexianon says:

    The “discoverer” of Lyme disease, Willie Burgdorfer, tearfully confessed on video that he had in fact manufactured Lyme for the US biowar complex.

    source?

    • Replies: @gar manar nar
  41. @GreatSocialist

    Anyone who hasn’t done it should go and read up on how US scientists flew to Alaska to dig up frozen corpses to harvest samples of the 1918 global pandemic flu.

    Anyone who hasn’t done it should go and read up on the extensive study done in Boston that failed to transmit the 1918 flu “virus” from the sick to the healthy.

    The deception goes much deeper than most people are willing to consider, and “thrilling reading” from the CDC website is nothing but more narrative engineering.

  42. Marckus says:

    One has to wonder at the mentality of the ruling “elite”. These people attended Ivy League institutions and graduated more stupid than when they first entered. They do and say the dumbest things ever.

    I see articles appearing that Governments are worried about the worst worldwide recession ever. How can that be ? Oh, its because they locked down everything. What a surprise.

    Now regardless of these concerns they still continue to impose this and that most incomprehensible rule and regulation further crushing what little remains of economic activity. Here is a newsflash for these asses. Why bother with the blather of reopening ? There is not much left to reopen ! Who exactly will be left to repay the Covid stimulus ? Again, I forgot, we will just order more presses and run extra shifts printing more money.

    What passes for a higher education these days is equivalent to Grade 4 Elementary school and getting worse. God help us all.

  43. @GreatSocialist

    As for Trump, this village idiot probably just went along with whatever Pompeo suggested

    Your USAMRIID hypothesis is at least as likely as any other and should be tested in the way you describe. To suggest that Mr. Trump just went along, however, assumes that Pompeo informed him of the plan, That Pompeo’s minions informed him as well.

    The reality is that most deep-state operations are contained within widely dispersed centers of power and decision-making in the U.S. government. They act more like independent war-lords than the ideal top-down organizational chart. This has been shown over and over again in American politics for decades if not centuries.

    You saw this most recently in how Trump would order the forces out of Syria. The generals would make a show of moving a convoy or two out whilst shipping other forces right back in under military secrecy. You saw it in all the shenanigans that went on right under Trump’s nose in the Ukraine desk prior to the first impeachment. You saw it in all the leaks.

    Trump’s main problem, which he never solved, was disengaging the lines of control from POTUS 44.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  44. BuelahMan says:
    @Zarathustra

    The money paid out to giant corporations and banks is the Real Money that hardly anyone mentions.

    • Agree: Iris
  45. hillaire says:

    Isolate the virus according to scientific methodology and approved postulates and you just may find a supposed bio-weapon…

    but as more than 40 FOI’s have proven no isolated virus is available… eg nada nothing… what you have is quite literally a computer virus, a modeled creation..

    Why have unz et al not pursued this line of inquiry, there is much quality and verifiable info out there, could it be that the entire narrative and the totalitarian plans the governors wish to implement require a virus, thus the faux alternative media still feed into the narrative with chatter of bio-weapons and suchlike…

    • Agree: John Fisher
    • Replies: @hillaire
  46. @GreatSocialist

    You’re swallowing the entire scripted narrative. The ever-shifting realities are telltale signs of massive mind control.

    The only way a pathogen can transfer from animal to human is through direct injection into human tissue. Such as via a needle.

    “They will pile falsehood on top of falsehood until you can’t tell a lie fr0m the truth and won’t even want to.”

    • Replies: @gar manar nar
  47. anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:

    How does anyone believe any of the MSM’s lying crap at this point? The AP could learn something about reporting from Counter Currents:

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Alfred
  48. hillaire says:
    @hillaire

    Also the CIA rag the atlantic is well known for pushing fake dissidents in their sensationalist expose tut-tut manner….. and giving them kudos amongst the drooling cultists that hang on every operation they push, that tawdry little psy-op the ‘daily stomper’ springs like spring daffodils to the mind….

  49. @Keith snipes

    Bioweapons targeting economies don’t need to be especially lethal. If you unleash something highly contagious that will, if it spreads unchecked, kill .5% (1 in 200), hugely expensive countermeasures will have to be taken. 1 in 200 of a large population adds up to a very large number of deaths!

    More lethal agents are much easier to stymie, as MERS and SARS showed.

    • Agree: Lucy Lipinska
    • Replies: @hillaire
    , @Sean
  50. theMann says:
    @onebornfree

    Here is an idea:

    What if specific radio wavelengths cause cellular excitation in such a way as to make a host organism extremely vulnerable to existing Corona viruses (and flu, tuberculosis etc)? You would then have a radioactive weapon masquerading as a biological outbreak, and treating the illness as biological instead of radioactive, would guarantee failure. Funny how any mention of 5G gets clamped down fast, and people continue to show symptoms congruent with radiation sickness.

    In any case, it is impossible to know, for a certainly, what is going on: Governments and Medical professionals are all engaged in massive lying, and a worldwide censorship net is being erected around CoronaFraud.

    These concerted actions are as ominous as they are malevolent, and they constitute War Crimes/Crines Against Humanity.

    And we aren’t going to get a word of truth out of anybody until after the first set of hangings

  51. @hyper bole

    Are our bioweapons so crappy that they are 99.95% ineffective.

    Well, they did manage to destroy the economy of the world

    So, COVID is the neo-feudal neutron bomb of our day; it destroys the economy, but leaves a vast workforce of serfs and infrastructure to benefit their criminal-elite lords and masters.

    If your goals were to lighten the load on the bankrupt social welfare institutions of the West by killing off the old folks, while at the same time disabusing the young of any hope of living lives as rewarding or comfortable as those of the previous generations because we are in an existential battle that require great societal sacrifices from all, then this would be the weapon of choice.

    In the old days, the criminal-elite would have resorted to outright warfare, but then someone realised that large scale wars often work to the detriment of the elite, first by destroying or dispersing the instruments and stores of their wealth, often followed by the rotation in of a new set of elites. COVID allows the elite to avoid breaking and losing their stuff while also making it harder for a disgruntled to usher them, as humanity’s saviours, out.

  52. @onebornfree

    What if the real bioweapon is not the “virus” itself [or “mutations”], but is instead the various “vaccines” supposedly designed to “prevent/cure” it/them?

    What if the vaxx plus the next virus to be released or the next gen of vaxxes are designed to act as a binary weapon over a longer period of time?

  53. hillaire says:
    @Sean

    The wuhan ‘bat lady’ well, well..
    And I’m sure you still believe in santa claus too… though I presume you are more of a hanukkah kind of fellow.

    so many mysteries, so many myst……….

    • Replies: @Sean
  54. Ron Unz says:

    I’ve now finished reading through the extremely long Atlantic Council report on the Covid-19 theories, and although its 54 pages seems extremely detailed and thorough, they do seem to contain some strange gaps.

    For example, I’ve always wondered whether we were actually the original source of the widely discussed theory that Covid-19 was introduced into China by the 300 American military officers attending the World Military Games in Wuhan during October. On page 31, the AC report claims that the first (Chinese) media report of that claim was published on February 22, allegedly based upon a theory then floating around on “social media” and derived from an “unknown source”:

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Weaponized-How-rumors-about-COVID-19s-origins-led-to-a-narrative-arms-race.pdf#page=33

    But just over a week earlier, we’d republished a very long article from an eccentric American ex-pat making exactly that claim that attracted enormous traffic, including from Chinese people, and drew over 800 comments. So I strongly suspect that we were indeed the original source of the theory:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage/

    As for my own analysis of the likely American hand behind the Covid-19 outbreak, here are a few crucial paragraphs from my very long April 2020 article, which the dozen extremely thorough AC investigators seem to have strangely missed discovering despite their massive research effort:

    But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch.  Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia.  After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment.  But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself.  Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

    As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions.  Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China.  But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak.  Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior.  Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

    Let us consider the implications of these facts.  Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China.  Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence.  Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    According to these MSM accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already producing a secret report describing a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan at a time when probably only a couple of dozen people had become infected by a new and totally unknown virus in a city of 11 million. What’s their alternate explanation?

    My very long article drew enormous readership and over 1,600 comments, and just a week or two later we were suddenly banned/deranked by both Facebook and Google.

    Our own webzine had very likely become the #1 source in English of the “America-done-it” theory of the Covid-19 outbreak, and it’s very odd that neither the AC researchers nor the AP journalists even mentioned it anywhere among their tens of thousands of words of analysis.

    Indeed, given the *exceptionally* controversial material we (and I in particular!) have published on so many other topics, one might have imagined that focusing upon us would have been the absolutely ideal means of “discrediting” the Covid-19 “conspiracy theories.”

  55. @theMann

    Since I’m out of “Agree” and “Thanks” buttons for today in this thread, I will simply say “I agree” and “Thanks” for writing that comment, every word it, from the wavelengths to the massive lying and malevolence, to the only thing that will get the truth out.

    Bravo!

  56. Schuetze says:
    @moi

    That comment is anti-semitic!

    • Replies: @Moi
  57. Mr. Barrett I humbly beg you to consider that the Iranian regime is just as corrupt and self-serving as the one we have here in the US. And that it is highly possible that the upper level of the Iranian regime is in cahoots with the same folks who run the US.

    My evidence is the following;
    The murder of Soleimani. I don’t think the US/Israel would have so openly murdered a beloved Iranian if they didn’t already have an agreement with the Iranian elite. General Soleimani was likely to put the interest of Iran a head of the present Iranian status quo and therefore a dangerous competitor for the elite. For the most part his murder has already been swept under the rug. Indeed it is highly likely that many of the Iranian officials and scientists ostensibly assassinated by the Israelis were actually killed at the behest of the Iranian elite so as to remove potential contenders for power.

    Then there’s Iranian embrace of this Covid fraud. Of course what totalitarian government wouldn’t love to use a fake virus to distract people from their real problems and at the same time help to increase and consolidate their own power and control? But in light of the fact that Covid is BS and the Iranian regime totally going along with this fraud would indicate that they are playing ball with the “globalists”.
    Why is this so hard to accept? Look at the Palestinian Authority, they supposedly represent the occupied Palestinian people. But it’s obvious they take their orders from the Israelis.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain, Moi
  58. bjondo [AKA "5 dancing shlomos"] says:
    @Keith snipes

    Seeing the results, this bio weapon seems to be 100% effective.

    Of course, I’m not in on the ultimate goals.

  59. Sean says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    The original 1Covid-19 virus is mainly confined to Asia. The first mutant of the Covid-19 virus (19B) revealed by genetic sequencing was reported in Yunnan on January the 17th 2020. The same (19B) one was reported in the USA two days later. The original Covid-19(A) virus is mainly confined to Asia. Clearly, the 19B mutation occurred in China during the latter months of 2019.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump#Judiciary_Committee_hearings
    Senate initiated the trial on January 15, 2020

    Based on the precedent of the SARS pandenic 2003 and a Middle Eastern coronavirus called MERS in 2012 that reached Canada but was mainly contained in South Korean hospitals, a reasonable expectation was that Covid-19 would kill several percent of those who caught it, but not sped in a sustained way and so stay in China. The Covid-19 virus (SARS-CoV-2) his easily caught and transmissible early in the infection before people take to their bed. The upshot of all this is that there was Western insouciance encouraged by the Chinese authorities misleading the World Health Organisation to make an announcement in mid January 2020 that although there were indications of person to person transmission of the Wuhan disease, there was no evidence that it was transmissible between humans in a sustained way (such as would be likely to cause a pandemic).

    The prosecution’s opening arguments and presentation of evidence took place between January 22 and 24, 2020. […] Trump’s defense presentation began on January 25.

    Fascinating temporal coincidence. Senator Mitt Romney opted to vote for the conviction of Trump on February the 5th. President Trump fired Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman and ambassador Gordon Sondland on the 7th. Vindman’s brother was escorted from the White House. On February 27th 2020 Trump publicly said he’s been told by Xi that the Wuhan (Covid-19) disease outbreak was begining to be brought under control, with multiple days of declining cases. What Xi told Trump in late February was certainly some kind of a deliberate lie, and what the Chinese told the world in mid January through the WHO at a critical point in mid January at least dissimulation. It is becoming a little bit clearer to me why such a Machiavellian as Trump was so trusting of Xi, someone he knew wanted to get him out the White House. Trump ought to have been highly suspicions of: Xi. But Trump was distracted by petty partisan politicking and treachery at the crucial points in time.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  60. The “dicey” American team performed as the US team usually does.

    Trying to undermine the Chinese economy by reducing swine-rearing wouldn’t even have made sense when it was mostly an agricultural society.

    If intelligence agencies were desperate to censor Unz and were willing to release killer diseases against nuclear armed competitors, they would have just killed him by now. Or arrested him for child porn or something. It would be easier and more effective than coordinating some sort of media blackout/internet giant campaign of oppression.

  61. Thank you, Kevin Barrett, for standing up to that insufferable neocon bully Shawn Hannity. He’s been bullying those whom he disagrees, and constantly talking over them, for over the past 20 years. It amazes me that he’s still a ratings star on Fox TV. That says volumes about the lack of intelligence of his loyal viewers. From what I’ve observed, every one of his telecasts and radio shows are pretty much same ol’ same ol’. I often wonder what the always insightful Tucker Carlson REALLY thinks about him.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  62. anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    Congratulations on the honor of being vilified by Wisner’s wurlitzer. That is proof of the integrity and rigor we see in everything you write. Comparing you and the CIA dancing boys of AP, you are the authoritative source.

    That said, on his particular point Tom Welsh is right. The Thucydides Trap is for people who never read Thucydides. The reason for the Pelopennesian War is that the belligerents concluded that Athens was not going to leave them alone. That is the real lesson for the USA. What happens when the SCO concludes that the US is not going to leave them alone? Unrestricted warfare and surgical decapitation of the CIA impunity regime.

    The Atlantic Council – the CIA knuckledraggers who ran BMB patsy Tam Tsarnaev – are clearly panicked by the number of plugged-in contributors and commenters on unz.com. When the USSR was in its terminal stage, elites started jeering at state secrets, “Hey, want some OB?” Unz.com commitment to the standards of Article 19 has drawn a lot of insiders ready to denounce crimes of the NHB regime.

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
  63. hillaire says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    You presume they have methods of creating so called ‘viral’ bio-weapons with control over outcomes…
    there is no evidence for any of this, if there is please direct me to it…

    The dna disrupter/gene therapy platform being peddled as a vaccine looks much more like a bio-weapon.. just saying.

    The argument ‘we released a little virus because a big one is too big’ is just guff (there are millions starving to death, a third of the worlds GDp wiped, economies gutted)… utter nonsense, feeble thinking, far more will die from disproportionate so called emergency measures than from any virus little or large, so what does it matter ?.

    you may as well say..

    ‘lets just use a common cold variant, slap DNR’s on the old and extremely sick, fake all the stats, offer cash incentives to quacks and corrupt kleptocrats, weaponize the media and use a fog of disinformation to scare johnny shitless’…

    which is exactly what they have done… the upside is, there’s no flu anymore thanks to covid measures.. fantastic.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, R2b
  64. @jamesc

    James: Perhaps you are obtuse to the fact, but ours is a clinically insane culture. All the roots have been grubbed up and discarded. Yeats, in his perspicacious “Second Coming” wrote that “the center cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the land”. He wrote that at the end of WWI. The problem has metastasized exponentially since that time.

    You appear to be stuck in the “normalcy” paradigm. In this insane culture, where baby boys are deprived violently and vehemently of their man-hoods at not even one day of age; it is completely normal to ambulate in a stuttering manner due to the Wounded Weenie syndrome. It is completely normal in contemporary Amerikkka to be neurotic and to be now post-industrialized, suburbanized and psychologically rootless.

    My suspicion is that your lambasting of Mr. Barrett emanates from a deep-well of subsumation to the adjustment racket of normalcy.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @jamesc
  65. @Sean

    Who are you Sean? Your commentaries contra to “conspiracy theories” reveal either a mind which has become ensorcelled with academicist “on message” tropes and memes OR that you are an active agent for those who concocted the “conspiracy theory” barf and garbage and spewed it throughout their bribed and/or blackmailed media outlets.

    That theoretical imposture was the response by the deepest element within the Deep $tate, to the growing cynicism of the American people to the “Magic Bullet Theory” concocted by the treasonous LBJ’s Allen Dulles selected Warren Coverup Commission’s attempt to place the blame for the In$ide Job assassination of our last truly American president John Fitzgerald Kennedy on a self-described “Patsy”.

    Methinks something is rotten in the state of Sean’s affiliations or in his mentality.

  66. fredtard says:
    @Jiminy

    Th all-to-common delusion that Globocap will spare the US while continuing to murder people all over the planet is strong. Hopium prevails. My best guess is that “they” have been spraying pathogens from jets, and will continue to do so whenever and wherever (almost, maybe China and Russia can protect their airspace) they want to fan the flames and cull the herd as necessary. Their toxic/pathogenic toolbox is doubtless overflowing with discoveries to be field-tested on the worthless eaters.

    While most of the Unz commentariat will reject the blackpill message of eco-collapse driving Dane Wigington’s jihad, his logic and worldview are consistent and sound. Weather warfare and bio-warfare together. I’ve been observing jets spraying for over ten years. Just this past year we have MSM stories talking about Bill Gates “geoengineering” to cool the planet. Sorry, that card has been played for decades. Chemtrails got labeled a conspiracy theory before everything except the JFK hit, a strong argument for the reality of its existence. https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-watch-global-alert-news-february-13-2021-288/

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  67. Sean says:
    @hillaire

    Current Opinion in Virology
    Volume 1, Issue 6, December 2011, Pages 649-657
    Current Opinion in Virology
    Mass extinctions, biodiversity and mitochondrial function: are bats ‘special’ as reservoirs for emerging viruses?

    lLin-FaWang1Peter J.Walker1Leo L.M.Poon2

    The Marburg virus, a sort of Ebola, came from Egyptian bats by natural processes. Bats have extremely efficient mitochondria for flying, and the side effect od that is their immune system is amped up to a degree that makes them super resistant to viruses. But they can spread them.

    Wuhan is a city of eleven million people, and played very influential roles in the Chinese Civil
    War and Cultural revolution. It is also where Fentanyl is made. The bat origin of the SARS epidemic of 2002-3 was well known to the Chinese because of the work of Shi Zhengli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli). in June 2019. Shi published an internationally circulated paper on the danger of a new pandemic arising out of the disease reservoir represented by bats.

    Moreover, Shi has genetic sequencing data on bat viruses, so she would have known and instantly told the Chinese government, had she thought Covid -19 was not a natural disease but actually a bioweapon. And I can tell you that China would have predictable used a nuclear weapon, or threaten to use on, on the US is they thought the US had attacker China with a bioweapon.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

    https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/0AEA7BC6-2561-4E38-87C0A2A8F3599D7A_source.jpg?w=590&h=800&5B9C228B-0BFC-418D-875059890F18A55A

    The bats in the 1979 movie Nightwing carry bubonic plague by the way. ‘Abner Tasupi’ embittered but powerful Native American medicine man intends to use them to take revenge on all humanity. I suppose Native Americans have reason to be embittered. But why do you hate the West an side with the elite against the ordinary folk? Ironic if it is due to you having an over-active immune system, eh?

  68. gnbRC says:
    @Sean

    Why were the CIA and FBI trying to get rid of the anti China Trump then?

    This may be a case of priorities: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Perhaps the pharmaceutical company middlemen were drafted to help out. Take a look at this:

    https://rumble.com/vdr6oz-this-is-what-biden-did-to-our-family-in-less-than-one-month…..html

    Also, it’s also more than a little suspicious that the AMA is not a major player, i.e. keeping a low profile, in the COVID narrative.

    Just saying …

  69. @theMann

    Mann: Note my commentary on psychotronic weaponry (#3) and numerous citations by various posters over the months on weather-control, initially the HAARP system at Gokona, Alaska and now replaced by GAWD only knows which forms of satellite-powered weather and climate “adjustment” systems.

    FiveG and other microwave level sources of low-frequency radiation weaponry are rapidly metastasizing all across the fruited plain, particularly in urban areas. These facilities are often camouflaged as palm-trees and other superficially innocuous simulacrums.

    My point is that the Agency, elements of the military and other Deep $tate organs are mounting a full-court press total “security” system on not only the American public, but also as evidenced by the chemtrail phenomenon, right across the planet.

    One might draw the inference that some power or powers, suspected but not fully revealed or obvious, are openly applying an agenda of mass genocide upon a huge proportion of the human race. Cui Bono? (who benefits?)

    • Replies: @skrik
  70. Mefobills says:
    @Tom Welsh

    But not between itself and others. Oh no. Instead, it was a question of “let’s you and him fight”, stirring up wars between Germany and the rest of Europe. In 1900 Germany was the great threat to US supremacy, followed at some distance by Russia. Curious, then, that both world wars between them comprehensively wrecked both Germany and Russia.

    While in both cases the USA entered the war on the winning side when the decisive fighting was already over, just in time to pick up the spoils and dictate the terms of peace.

    That is way to simplistic. Kevin mentions the Atlantic Council in his article. Atlantic council is the mouthpiece of globalism/finance capital.

    Atlantacism is finance capitalism merged with “shipping” across the Atlantic. Lands where the oceans touch, is Rim theory militarism.

    The American revolution AND civil war was fought against Atantacism/Finance Capital. The Atlantacists constantly battered the U.S., especially by entry through the money system. Any sort of national banking, or state banking in the U.S. was viciously attacked. Any sort of physical economy/industrial capitalism was viciously attacked by the Atalantacists.

    Atlantacism emanates from London. London wanted Germany to die. Finance Capitalist/Jews in the U.S. wanted Germany to die.

    I’ve made the case in my comment history, that FC was invented in Amster-damn, and then jumped to London. The (((parasite))) always works through the money system, and then usury flows pay for attacking the press, and then finally usurping government.

    Atlantacism/Finance Capitalism is a giant usury system to exploit producers everywhere.

    War fits into the schemata, as it forces prices low (war destruction), and allows the purchase of real assets for cheap. Buy when there is blood in the street.

    Also, debts that cannot be paid, ARE paid off with the transfer of real assets to the (((finance class))).

    The truth matters. It is better to view the U.S. as having its brain infected with a parasite, and this parasite was injected by foreign agents with force and duplicity. England also was a properly functioning civilization, and it too was usurped in 1694.

    How is it that much of Germany came to be owned by foreign interests during the hyperinflation?

    The parasite had infiltrated America’s brain by 1912, and probably really by 1898, the Spanish America war. The takeover was complete with the rigged election of Woodrow Wilson.

    The Republic failed, and George Washington’s admonitions went unheeded. “She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy.”

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Spanky
    , @JoeFour
  71. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, even the privately owned corporation the CDC admits it has never been isolated, it is a scam and a psyop to destroy the middle classes of the world and to bring in the globalists great reset aka communism and lock down the world in a draconian, demonic, diabolical one world government.

    The globalist vaccines for the non-existent virus which contain mRNA which will destroy the immune system and cull the planet for the satanist globalists and help to usher in their great reset aka communism.

    • Agree: John Fisher
  72. Covid conspiracy theories are the number one reason Trump lost. He could have used the pandemic as an excuse to display leadership ability. Instead he did the opposite. This website probably helped trump win in 2016 and helped him lose in 2020.

  73. @Ron Unz

    “Indeed, given the *exceptionally* controversial material we (and I in particular!) have published on so many other topics, one might have imagined that focusing upon us would have been the absolutely ideal means of “discrediting” the Covid-19 “conspiracy theories.”

    As Kevin Barrett rightly notes, calling attention to a website created and hosted by a billionaire 200+ IQ savant who professes well-documented and highly persuasive opinions and conclusions expressed in eminently readable articles that illustrate highly controversial ideas and conclusions you would prefer the masses not be exposed to may not be the wisest idea for the PTB (as all Unzers here already know.)

    We will likely be ignored forever……. or at least until the ideas expressed herein become illegal.

    Then we can expects LOTS of attention, sadly……. 🙁

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @Spanky
  74. Sean says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    There is no trade-off whereby the more transmissible a natural disease the less lethal it is, and that would certainly be true on a bioweapon for obvious reasons If something like the Outbreak movie pandemic comes out of China in a few years and kills 33% of the Western population, will we be justified in blaming China then?

    Another thing. A clandestine bioweapons attack on Iran would be far too risky to combine with one on China (the main target) both the US enemies being hit would be incredibly obvious. Unlike Iran, China has nuclear weapons. Anyone who thinks that China would not immediately use a specimen thermonuclear weapon strike in response to a US bioweapons attack is living in a fantasy world. At the very least there would be demonstration detraction of a US aircraft carrier and a PUBLIC threat to to destroy a city in the continental US if the US population did not bring bring its Deep State under control. The people responsible would be simple be grabbed and tortured and everyone responsible hunted down. The FBI or rather their tame thug Gregory Scarpa, did that to locate the bodies of the Three Civil rights workers in Mississippi. This would be 1000 times more merciless.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  75. Miro23 says:
    @The Real World

    Rather quickly, far too many things lined-up quite neatly and the Marxists in the USA appeared to already have their talking points and an agenda arranged and abided-by.

    The best tell on ZioGlob CIA actions has to be the MSM chorus. When it’s singing in unison, and at full volume, it’s telling you about their latest project.

    Currently the Covid-19 fabricated panic (Aim: a corporate style ID system with permission levels – you get the minimum of permissions – just sufficient to survive and pay taxes).

    Future: Outrageous White Supremacist terrorist false flag (Aim: suppression of the 2nd Amendment and legalize state coercion ).

  76. @TKK

    Recall that one of the first things Paul Bremer did as head of Provisional Authority of conquered Iraq in 2003 was to mandate that Iraqi farmers — who had farmed the Fertile Crescent for millennia — no longer harvest their seeds but use only GMO.

    https://ejatlas.org/conflict/order-81s-effect-on-agriculture

    • Agree: TKK
    • Thanks: Iris
  77. …. the obvious but unspeakable truth that COVID-19 is almost certainly a US-NATO bioweapon, most likely deliberately unleashed

    So was the resulting hobbling of the American economy deliberate or were the conspirators fucktards who had no idea it would spread globally?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @cranc
    , @Ron Unz
  78. @The Real World

    Don’t forget the Gaia-cultists, who are basically watermelons.

    They have a huge interest in perpetuating the Covid situation.

    • Agree: Wielgus
  79. @JWalters

    There’s a lot of evidence that America is Israel’s dumb muscle when it comes to war.

    Masterly understatement there Kevin!!

    • Replies: @JM
  80. @Dumbo

    I wish you could ignore the vaccine too, I mean the mRNA cocktail, but they won’t let us, they really want to inject that concoction into every living soul.

    The mask has started to slip from this aspect of the situation.

    I wonder if Gates’ exceedingly creepy recent interview woke more people up.

    • Replies: @Fred777
  81. Whitewolf says:
    @Dumbo

    As far as “bioweapons” go, this is probably the lamest. Except the real “bioweapon” is the media.

    The real bioweapon is the “vaccine”/experimental gene therapy being promoted as the cure and the path back to normality.

    • Replies: @durd
  82. @Timur The Lame

    No idea what you just said, but you sure are sure of yourself, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @Timur The Lame
  83. Many respectful people.
    I only would like to know at which temperature are viruses killed.
    I do know that bacteria are killed at 100 degree celsius.
    Does this apply also to viruses?

  84. GoodTwin says:

    Wuhan was the origin of the psyop, with all those crazy videos and the Chinese government LARP. The actual virus is harder to source, blood samples show antibodies to it in Europe from much earlier than the Wuhan mythology suggests. But the psyop is the real attack anyways, one that China has profited from while the West has been paralyzed and reorganized to the benefit of the same elites who work with China to crush our industry and suck all the wealth into the financial sector. The virus and its origins are interesting, but it is just a smokescreen for the real assault on the West carried out by the parasites dominating us, China plays along to reap the benefits as usual.

  85. @John Fisher

    The only way a pathogen can transfer from animal to human is through direct injection into human tissue.

    ?!!

    https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html

    • Agree: lavoisier
  86. anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:

    Insider-wannabe Sean is here with 77, the CIA Big Lie of the week, in their holding action against public awareness of CIA’s SARS-COV-2 BWC-illegal banned biological weapon, which was created by Ralph Baric at the UNC Burnett-Womack Center and weaponized by Battelle subs in compartmented programs.

    Today Sean lies that China would have nuked the US in retaliation for CIA use of banned biological weapons. CIA needs better liars because Sean knows jack shit about China. What did China do when the US attacked their legally inviolable Belgrade embassy? Ask Bill Bennett and his wifey. Ask Bill’s chain of command, some of whom are still looking over their shoulders.

    China did not respond with force, or in any symmetrical way, when the US attacked its foodstocks with the banned biological weapon ASF developed at Plum Island and refined at the Nunn-Lugar Center in Georgia.

    https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/the-mystery-of-the-african-swine-fever-in-china-and-asia-201908260134

    The PRC will respond when it’s good and ready, and not in ways that CIA weasels like Sean can pull out of his ass.

    • Agree: Polemos
    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  87. @Peripatetic Itch

    Trump’s main problem, which he never solved, was disengaging the lines of control from POTUS 44.

    Obama even told us he was going to run a shadow government from his DC bunker:

    https://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @A.z
  88. jimmy1969 says:

    Another rambling piece of nonsense saying or proving nothing.

  89. @obwandiyag

    Cliff’s Notes version for you. Truthful and well reasoned opinions will no longer be allowed. Opinions like yours will be elevated to the status of ‘new wisdom’ in line with the ‘new normal’.

    But don’t sleep too well my friend, because truth is the daughter of time!

    And you can be sure that I am sure of that.

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  90. Fred777 says:
    @TKK

    “No one will discover how and what the Chinese knew because the entire world gives them a hand job when they should view them with grave suspicion and protect their own populations from China’s avarice and superiority complex.“

    Dirt cheap labor goes a long way with the corporate oligarchs running the U$A.

  91. Fred777 says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    “I wonder if Gates’ exceedingly creepy recent interview woke more people up.“

    It didn’t.

  92. @mexianon

    Here’s a link to Kris Newby discussing what she saw in the video (start at about 7-8 minutes in) . .

    I should also mention that lyme disease was found in museum specimens of white-footed mice sampled from as early as 1870 . .

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/170/4/1027/840545?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    So, no need for an accidental release from a government lab.

  93. @Sean

    True, Churchill was talked out of deploying anthrax against the Germans, but are we to believe that biosecurity protocols will always prevail? As if the scary little vial was not already used to justify the catastrophic war against Iraq.

    So, Yes, Cassandra was moody. But were the optimistic ministers and physicians who diagnosed her themselves able to foresee and prevent the fall of Troy? And how adaptive should we consider the evangelicals’ unadulterated optimism about the theft of Palestine?

    p.s. The last comment to Kevin, considering the plausible specter of Operation Zyphr, reads more like a mafia “promise”. That was rude. A more friendly way to express concern — if you have any — might be to suggest meditation along with Cal-Mag, etc.., to calm the nerves.

  94. Emslander says:
    @Majority of One

    ours is a clinically insane culture.

    and its presumptions are wound together into a web of fraud that can only be held together by massive infusions of debt-based funding. If you see the errors, then you’re forced to expose them, if you have a pulpit. Apparently Barret does.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  95. Emslander says:
    @Desert Fox

    That’s a good summation. I’m not sure the rulers and their lackeys will succeed, though. They’ve told too many big lies.

    • Replies: @John Fisher
  96. @The Real World

    i’ve believed since the autumn of 2019. my mother in law & 98% of those living in her high end nursing home died of what was then called pulmonary fibrosis. returning home to canada my husband & i both contracted a new form of pneumonia, even though we’d both had the vaccine to prevent pneumonia. we were told it was one of the 42 variants not covered, & that as it was viral & not bacterial there was nothing to be done but to buck up & wait for our immune systems to kick in. in the spring of 2020, early march, pompeo told the university of washington to send all blood samples that might have offered evidence of an earlier appearance to DC. i’ve followed this with some interest but have never seen how the virus may’ve come to be in WA…i have wondered if there was a military contingent sent to wuhan games that may’ve been stationed in WA—if anyone has any ideas or light, please, i am most interested. thank you.

    • Replies: @Iris
  97. @fredtard

    I’ve been observing jets spraying for over ten years.

    Have you seen any this past year? The skies have been clear of chemtrails since the pandemic started; in fact there have been far fewer planes flying. If this chemtrails is a serious programme surely no pathetic virus like Covid-19 would have grounded it.

  98. paum says:
    @Majority of One

    Gun control is now wholly intertwined with anti-white efforts – despite non-whites dominating firearm violence, of course – so all future false flags are going to hinge on narratives in that vein.

  99. @The Real World

    The ‘Marxists’ in the USA? Where? Oh, you mean lovers of Groucho, Harpo and Chico, do you?

  100. @Tom Welsh

    China was also attacked by African Swine Flu and outbreaks of Avian Flu in recent years. The USA deliberately infected Cuba with African Swine Flu in the 70s.

  101. @GreatSocialist

    The Pentagon has sent expeditions into the global ‘hot zones’ in the tropics, centres of diversity of potential micro-organism pathogens, to collect possible biowarfare species, for decades.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  102. Miro23 says:
    @Emslander

    … ours is a clinically insane culture.

    and its presumptions are wound together into a web of fraud that can only be held together by massive infusions of debt-based funding. If you see the errors, then you’re forced to expose them, if you have a pulpit. Apparently Barret does.

    Maybe Paul Craig Roberts is right that there was never enough identity to hold the US together. From his review of Andrei Martyanov’s new book, “DISINTEGRATION Indicators of the Coming American Collapse”:

    The United States isn’t a nation any longer. It is a collection of peoples without a country. A nation requires a unifying spirit of the people, and the United States has no such unifying spirit. Martyanov observes that there is nothing in common between a white WASP farm worker from Iowa, a Jewish lawyer from Manhattan, and a black rapper from the Bronx. They view the world, America and their place in it differently, and those visions are irreconcilable. Martyanov writes that “today, the United States is not a nation, certainly not in the traditional sense of having a dominant ethnic nationality, while the foundational American meme and myth of a ‘Melting Pot’ has turned out to be exactly that—a myth. America’s many ethnicities have not been assimilated to form a single nation, but rather are more aptly regarded as a salad bowl” of divergent interests. America is a tower of Babel standing on the shaky ground of Identity Politics. Such a multicultural diverse country does not have a national interest because unity is absent. A house divided cannot stand.

  103. mcohen says:

    Ahhhh…. the deadly american swine (flu) rears it head again on the net

  104. Articles like this remind me of why I support Kevin Barrett on Patreon.

    Keep fighting the good fight, sir.

  105. cranc says:
    @jamesc

    Now, the question is what does that mean?

    It means that the world is basically one towering pile of lies piled upon falsehoods, that the vast majority of those posing as truth tellers are in fact liars themselves, and that few people like Barrett are honest, humble and courageous enough to stand forward in the public eye and point these things out.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  106. The moment I heard about this virus my first instinct was that it was a US or Israeli bioweapon. If they wanted to frame China, why not release it near a known biolab in Wuhan? Very convenient. Wouldn’t it also be great if it just so happened to take out a bunch of leaders in Iran? Perfect.

    Who could pull off a worldwide attack/hoax this large and make it work? I’d start by looking at those who pulled off 911: Israel.

    • Agree: Alfred
  107. durd says:
    @Whitewolf

    /

    The real bioweapon is the “vaccine”experimental gene therapy being promoted as the cure and the path back to normality.

    Reminds me of a version the Annunaki/Shining Ones story where the ‘gods’ created a worker race through manipulation of DNA that made the new man inferior and shorter lived in order to do the work their own were complaining about.

    A slave race dumb enough to not know they are a slave race and incapable of organized disobedience or even complaining.

    Maybe the PTB have been enlightened by this story, see signs of rebellion and are trying to replicate the story in order to make life easier for themselves.

    It has to be this way! They say to those in the club.

    So there might be hope, you will be happy and you won’t own anything, because things will be so easy even a caveman can do it.*

    * Geico

  108. hillaire says:
    @Sean

    Interesting comment thanks…. Unfortunately I don’t really concur with your views or those of unscientific american….

    Though I do agree embittered native american indians probably want you dead… in fact a plethora of ethnics probably have it in for you, of the type only lovecraft could conceive.

    • Replies: @Sean
  109. Ron Unz says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    So was the resulting hobbling of the American economy deliberate or were the conspirators fucktards who had no idea it would spread globally?

    Well, I vote “fucktards.” I think there was 0% Trump actually authorized the biowarfare attack, so it was probably rogue elements of the Deep State Neocons in our national security apparatus.

    Since our entire government and other elites are filled to the brim with “fucktards,” why should they be any different?

  110. Chinaman says:

    I have not seen any mention of the bioattack theory in Chinese media…ever since Zhao Lijian from the Foreign ministry caused a diplomatic storm by citing Larry Romanoff’s article last March.

    I can say a majority, at least 90% of Chinese don’t believe it is a bioattack…ever since genetic and epidemiological evidence have emerge on the origin of the virus . (Perhaps Spain )

    A lot of insinuations and conjectures but where is the evidence? Pretty sure we would get a Snowden whistleblowing by now since 400k is dead if it was indeed a bioattack.

    Note Ron boasting about this site being the *No. 1* source for this theory and how it generate traffic.

    Note Kevin being honoured to be recognised.

    May be that’s what this is all about…clicks and memes.

    It was indeed an online meme-attack that went viral!

  111. @Ron Unz

    Someone mentioned you on Twitter.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/minimum-wage-ron-unzs-proposal-aims-stop-illegal-immigration

  112. @Sean

    But Trump was distracted by petty partisan politicking and treachery at the crucial points in time.

    Exactly. To add to your timeline, Trump shut down travel from China (except for returning Americans) on Jan. 31. That was right in the middle of his impeachment trial. When the WHO, if I remember correctly, was saying travel restrictions were not advisable and as Bribem Joe and Pelosi were shouting xenophobia.

    As POTUS, Trump was constrained from acting on suspicions not advanced by his intelligence apparatus. It was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  113. frontier says:
    @anon

    You are just making smoke to cover up the fact that CCP is on board with this global scam,

    I don’t read anything that doesn’t consider this as the main hypothesis, it’s the obvious choice considering that the US was harmed much more than China – a fact used to sell China-style tyranny to the US population. The virus deflated the economy, removed Trump, protected BLM and Antifa, provided the steal with the necessary mail-in ballots, destabilized the country and managed to gather lots of people at the Capitol to be used as an excuse for attacks on the 2nd amendment and other liberties. Consider the frequent appearances of M. Hudson here, which amount to a deluge of propaganda for a state-run everything, a-la China, and heaps of praise for their politico-economic model. Both Hudson and Ron make great efforts to avoid any mention of how China got where it is – this is Ron:

    China’s rise is driven by its extraordinary and sustained economic growth

    And the sun rise is driven by its extraordinary accent over the horizon… meaningless… unless the goal is to cover up the simple fact that China’s growth is due to the wholesale transfer of US assets to Asia… where these assets sit unharmed by Covid, lockdowns, environmental regulations, pipeline or coal bans, Antifa, BLM, riots, affirmative action, transgender theory, etc.

    The target of this virus were NOT the Chinese, it only increased their advantage after their initial foray into horror movie art. The real targets are and always have been the US, EU and Russia.

    • Thanks: thotmonger
  114. Iris says:
    @emersonreturn

    i’ve followed this with some interest but have never seen how the virus may’ve come to be in WA…

    In Mars 2020, Cambridge geneticist Pr Peter Forster published a phylogenetic network study providing a scientific snapshot of how the virus had evolved. The study considered three main parameters to approach the human virus’ genesis (its genome, the date of sampling and its geographical location).
    https://www.fluxus-technology.com/cov2020.htm

    The phylogenetic study provides a logical, sequential progression of the virus’ genome as it mutates through time. Taking as iteration starting point the bat virus RaTG13, Pr Forster identified 3 main genetic clusters, A, B and C, in that order of genetic proximity to the bat virus.

    With A being the ancestor strain, the research found that most ancestor viruses were sampled in the USA, Australia, and Southern coastal China. In particular, out of a total of confirmed 308 A-strain viruses’ genomes, as much as 218 were sampled in the USA (70%)

    Wuhan in particular was mostly riddled with the daughter B-strain. The USA is a much more credible candidate to being SARS-CoV2 birthplace than Wuhan.

    The phylogenetic study teaches other interesting things. The rate of mutation of the real virus can be calculated and allows to approximately find out when a given strain would have appeared.
    Based on this, the researchers were able to calculate that the bat virus RaTG13 is 50 years apart from the human virus SARS-CoV2. See Pr Forster at 5:40

    So allegedly, by some unlikely miracle, this virus from the much hunted Corona family would have escaped scientists’ scrutiny for about 5 decades, and nobody to the day can identify neither an intermediate genetic missing link, nor an intermediate animal carrier.
    This explanation for the missing 5 decades is hard to believe; it is much more plausible that the virus’ mutations were artificially accelerated in a lab, by manipulation or bio-engineering.

    • Thanks: Miro23, Alfred
  115. JM says:
    @Irish Savant

    But this article, by not qualifying it with the real ‘virulence’ (lol) of the virus in the field, works towards acceptance of the number one issue on the agenda at the moment…mass vaccination. My inclination is to the view that – whatever the culprit – the intention was to release a relatively benign virus – but to set the well oiled psy-op machine in motion to achieve other far more important purposes than war with China by ‘other means’. Some are happier to place the blame on the USA ‘deep state’ than to face up to that basic truth. After all the core of the current problem – Wall Street & etc – knew exactly what they were doing when they rust belted the US and built up China and they are deeply a part of its future. Double crossed by the “Communists”? As if… In many ways, this “Whodunnit” is a dead issue, because the masses – or at least the intelligent part of them (the ones who really count politically) – are focused on the FRAUDULENCE of it all.

    • Agree: frontier
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  116. jamesc says:
    @Majority of One

    Majority of One – here is a simple question for you. If you were to put money on Barrett’s stories being right, would you expect to be in profit or not? I would expect you would be losing consistently.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  117. cranc says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    I don’t think that these have to be mutually exclusive.
    Going with the bioweapon theory, some perpetrators might have been recruited precisely because of their fucktard credentials. A plausible deniability if you will. Others might be framing the US bioweapons establishment in a narrative which has the latter in turn trying to frame the Chinese labs/ government. Would love to know who made those fake Chinese videos a year ago.
    Ultimately however, the provenance and real nature of the virus are of limitted significance. What is clear is that there was a program of response ready and waiting to be rolled out.
    The economies of the world are being demolished, so as to be ‘built back better’. Much more than that though: a new social structuring to replace nation states, a new form of money, new food, a new sense of human identity as one fully interfaced with the machine. These are what is meant by the phrase pushed everywhere at the very beginning of this saga : ‘the new normal’. That is ‘year zero’ redux.
    Anyone who tries to paint this as national rivalry gone wrong is extremely ignorant or trying to mislead you. Ditto anyone who tells you that the vaccine will return things to normal. Normal has gone. Permanently.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  118. @Commentator Mike

    Anon: Sean arroused my suspicions and I aired that here, but you nailed him right between the eyes with precise efficiency. Kudos.

  119. @Desert Fox

    Here’s a research article that lays it all out. The mRNA vaccines are likely to suppress your Type 2 healing macrophages while enhancing your Type 1 pro-inflammatory macrophages:

    https://insight.jci.org/articles/view/123158

    If this is too technical go to this explication from a doctor:

    https://vaxxter.com/covid-vaccines-part-2/

  120. JM says:
    @Zarathustra

    “We do not know one way or the other. And we will never have a positive proof.
    So there is only one Question. Who gains? And that question can be answered quite easily,
    Pharmaceutical companies are making a killing from this epidemic..
    But there is one thing to be done. Chinese should establish some kosher police to supervise those open markets.”

    Yes, and not just Pharmaceutical companies. Whodunnit is a dead issue and though interesting will ‘never’ be known. Very large numbers of the people know it isn’t a serious disease at all. The current agenda is…vaccination…and mass control…all lives micromanaged as never before.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  121. @Commentator Mike

    CM. Have you considered the possibility that the Agency, which appears to be the prime distributor center for all the tentacles, may switch the attacks from one focus to another, possibly this occurs most frequently when too much of the public’s attention is wising up or getting cynical about matters like chemtrails and that, together with those fewer planes in the air; has mostly switched off the chemtrail program—for now.

    Also, there’s the matter of attention-span for the fear memes on the part of a deliberately dumbed-down public. Chronic systems overload. Notice how with the covid thang, that “crazy shooter” gun-control incidents have gone suspiciously quiet since the advent of CV19? As the (S)election/impeachment circus begins to subside and as the folks may start to become suspicious of all the new viral variants coming in from one country or another; my take is that the Planners will either come up with a whole new fear-fix or will revive one of the previous schemes.

  122. bayviking says:

    The real reason for the abysmal track record against Covid in the USA is a failure to implement a national program that works. In that respect Unz is without blame, just as his analysis of larger issues is without fault. The Covid-9virus, discovered to be on the loose in Italy in August 2019, could just as easily have leaked from an American lab as a Chinese one. The Labs need to be shut down, not journalism.

  123. @Zarathustra

    at which temperature are viruses killed?

    There’s lots of evidence and medical opinion that the body’s fever reaction is a largely effective effort to stop the infection. I’ve also seen some anecdotal reports suggesting that inducing artificial fevers by saunas or hot baths can help with Covid19.

    Just have to keep your brain from overheating. Cold compresses maybe.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  124. @Emslander

    I’m not sure the rulers and their lackeys will succeed, though. They’ve told too many big lies.

    Let us hope! But the lies (big and small) are necessary for the next stage, which is Revelation of the Method. Recognizing and ignoring the mind control tactics is the key to sanity (and survival).

  125. Sean says:
    @hillaire

    Shi Zhengli (simplified Chinese: 石正. 丽; traditional Chinese: 石正麗; born 26 May 1964) is a Chinese virologist according to Wikipedia. She is the world authority on the subject of bat coronaviruses, and she has found them in villagers who has never knowingly been near a bat. Just seen then flying about at night over their village.

    http://gregorygundersen.com/blog/2020/01/31/linear-overfitting/

    One way to think about overfitting is that we have a model that is too complex for the problem, and this complexity allows the model to fit to random noise.

    A model that overfits does not adhere to Occam’s razor in its explanation of the data

    The author goes on to say conspiracy theorizing is a good example of overfitting, because it involves a complex model on simple data. While a complex theory could be true, simpler explanations suffice.

    NOTABLY, all DNNs [Deep Neural Networks] face the issue of overfitting as they learn, which is when performance on one data set increases but the network’s performance fails to generalize (often measured by the divergence of performance on training vs testing data sets). This ubiquitous problem in DNNs is often solved by experimenters via “noise injections” in the form of noisy or corrupted inputs. The goal of this paper is to argue that the brain faces a similar challenge of overfitting, and that nightly dreams evolved to combat the brain’s overfitting during its daily learning. […] Finally, it is worth taking the idea of dream substitutions seriously enough to consider whether fictions, like novels or films, act as artificial dreams, accomplishing at least some of the same function.

    So you need to get a good nights sleep, and watch more horror films.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  126. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Obama even told us he was going to run a shadow government from his DC bunker

    I’m guessing the outside resistance described in your NY Post article is just scratching the surface.

    Do remind me. Wasn’t there some Constitutional amendment that said a POTUS could only be in office for two terms? I know, I know, he was just protecting his legacy….

    When term limits are not term limits.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  127. Iris says:
    @JM

    Double crossed by the “Communists”? As if…

    Alternatively, the retards within the US Deep State who plotted this bio-attack were simply out-smarted by the Chinese government which is more competent, efficient, patriotic, and far more dedicated to ensuring the mental, physical and material well-being of its citizens.

    Why don’t you accept that, for all their evilness, the imperialists within your government are also obsolete and crazy?

    American veteran diplomat Chas Freeman, who served as interpreter during President Nixon’s historic 1972 visit to China:

    [China] rather relies on performance the government delivers, it delivers growth that delivers effective responses to issues like the pandemic we are now in. China’s now the only major economy that is actually growing. And it’s the only society [growing] ironically, because of the history of wearing masks in China to protect people from contagious diseases. It’s more consideration by the mask wearer than it is protection. In China, you don’t have to wear a mask anymore. The coronavirus is pretty much contained. No doubt it will flare up from time to time. But the Chinese response has been effective. Whereas ours has been a shambles.

    https://counterinformation.wordpress.com/2020/12/28/veteran-diplomat-us-confronts-china-to-protect-supremacy-not-security/

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @JM
  128. @Majority of One

    It’s possible.
    With the lockdowns there aren’t any crowds for spree shooters and terrorists to target.
    This Covid-19 is getting tiresome so I hope they switch to something else … but not war.

  129. @JM

    whatever the culprit – the intention was to release a relatively benign virus – but to set the well oiled psy-op machine in motion to achieve other far more important purposes

    Like most, you use the word benign to refer to its lethality, or virulence. Another aspect of its physical effects is its impact on fertility. We are seeing serious impacts of the virus on male germ cells, which were to be expected from the presence of the ACE2 receptor on those cells.

    The ACE2 receptor is also common on the ovary, uterus, vagina and placenta, so we cannot discount effects there, either. It is involved in the regulation of follicle development and ovulation, modulation of luteal angiogenesis and degeneration, and the regular changes in endometrial tissue and embryo development. Mother-child and sexual transmission is a serious possibility.
    https://academic.oup.com/molehr/article/26/6/367/5828941

    Concern has also been raised that the mRNA vaccines will induce immune attacks on the human syncytin-1 protein, which is found on the human placenta, but also on both male and female gametes — the sperm and the ova. The suggestion is that the syncytin effects the union of the two to make the egg, a very crucial step in reproduction. It also seems to effect the union of the egg with the placenta, so any interference with it could be disastrous to couples who want children.

    • Replies: @JM
  130. As-salaamu ‘alaikum.

    “US Biological Warfare: A toxic cocktail of germ warfare and big lies.”

    The embedded link to this article is broken. Here’s a workable link:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200326142553/https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/us-biological-warfare

    More good books to check out. Shukran katheeran, Brother Kevin!

    was-salaam.

  131. WHAT IS A “COMPLICITY THEORIST”:
    A PERSON WHO ACCEPTS THE POLITICAL NARRATIVE OF THE DAY UNQUESTIONABLY: CONSUMES MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIKE IT IS TRUTH, and IS PRONE TO SUBMISSIVENESS, OUT BURSTS OF IRRATIONAL FEAR, AND PUBLIC SHAMING OF FREE THINKERS.
    I didn’t coin this term. I did forget to note who to credit, and for that I’m sorry. Feel free to strengthen the definition.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  132. @Majority of One

    Notice how with the covid thang, that “crazy shooter” gun-control incidents have gone suspiciously quiet since the advent of CV19?

    Granted. But you have to admit they had their plate full with related things. They had to establish the pandemic as reason to proliferate mail-in balloting. Then they had to effect that George-Floyd event and get the mostly peaceful riots going. They had a lot of bail applications, federal-building sieges, autonomous zones and insurance scams to work through. And don’t forget the planning for the takeover of the January 6 insurrection, with all its impeachment implications. The sick Sicknick psy-op that seems to be falling apart.

    You can only do so much at one time.

  133. @jamesc

    Such pipul. No direct response, but an alleged “simple question” which is essentially meaningless within the context of my statement. Anyway, I’m not a betting man.

    • Replies: @jamesc
  134. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    Viruses are not “alive.” They are genetic material that enter a living cell and use that cell to reproduce the virus. When the human immune system eradicates the virus it does so by destroying the infected cell. There are human analogies to the process.

  135. @Peripatetic Itch

    Thank you. But sorry. What I did mean was disinfection of surfaces by overheated steam.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  136. @Peripatetic Itch

    Wasn’t there some Constitutional amendment that said a POTUS could only be in office for two terms?

    “It’s just a piece of goddamn paper!”

    That said, Obama clearly spent a great deal of time during his two terms installing people personally loyal to him or loyal to the Democratic party/Left in every post that he possibly could.

  137. @Sean

    “Why were the CIA and FBI trying to get rid of the anti China Trump then?” Because Trump was an incompetent narcissistic fool whose grotesque strategic blunders, such as leaving TPP and otherwise blowing up the whole system of alliances and institutions by which the US ruled the world since WW2, was precipitating US decline relative to China. Check out Alfred McCoy’s article
    “Waking from a Four-Year Fever Dream to Find US Global Power Gone” https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/01/26/waking-four-year-fever-dream-find-us-global-power-gone

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Disagree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Biff
    , @Brás Cubas
    , @Sean
  138. @Sean

    The author goes on to say conspiracy theorizing is a good example of overfitting, because it involves a complex model on simple data.

    You and your blogger friend could stand to take a course in the History and Philosophy of Science. He contrasts the establishment narrative for the explanation of the JFK assassination with one in which he was killed by aliens, for Christ’s sake. Talk about straw men.

    Your so-called conspiracy theorists reject the Oswald-as-lone-killer theory because it is inconsistent with a wealth of data. The only way you can get that theory to satisfy Occam’s razor is to ignore all that inconsistent data. Ignore, or suppress, the evidence of tampering with the film and the body. Of bullets coming from the front. Formulate a magic bullet that caroms off bone after bone, making four or five changes in direction but never slowing down, ends up in John Connally’s wrist and then backs out and is found in almost pristine condition on some other stretcher in Parkland Hospital.

    Conspiracies do happen. The establishment themselves promoted one for 9/11. The Dems have just admitted one in that long and involved article in Time Magazine on election tampering. They involve complicated series of human actions that do not conform to simplistic conceptions of Occam’s razor.

    Occam’s razor itself has never been anything more than a Johnny-come-lately add-on to the evaluation of scientific theories. It’s of heuristic value only.

    • Replies: @Sean
  139. @Zarathustra

    Also in closed compartment with recirculated air like aircraft the air can be heated up to certain temperature which kills the virus and than can be cooled down to room temperature.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. @Iris

    China’s now the only major economy that is actually growing. And it’s the only society [growing] ironically, because of the history of wearing masks in China to protect people from contagious diseases.

    Not to contradict you, but the evidence for the effectiveness of masks is rather weak. As is that for social distancing and lock downs. I’m personally concluding that they have rather misread the prime method of disease propagation.

    One of the tissues most populated with ACE2 receptors is the large intestine. They have recognized this with a trend to take anal swabs for PCR testing. That must mean the virus is consistently found in the lining of that organ. I therefore predict that a major route of transmission will soon be found to be …

    farting.

  141. @Anonymous

    Thank you, but than how come alcohol does kill it or at least temporary disables it?
    (It is alcohol in disinfectant that does the job.)

  142. Schuetze says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    “As Kevin Barrett rightly notes, calling attention to a website created and hosted by a billionaire

    @Ron Unz: Are you holding out on us? How about spreading some of the sugar around your favorite commenters?

    In any case Ron Unz gets the prize for best billionaire coder on the planet.

    • LOL: Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  143. Chinaman says:

    The bioattack hypothesis is doing exactly what is intended.

    Generating a lot of meme, likes, shares, clicks, impressions…and traffic.

    It was more viral than the actual virus.

  144. Iris says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Because Trump was an incompetent narcissistic fool whose grotesque strategic blunders, such as leaving TPP and otherwise blowing up the whole system of alliances and institutions by which the US ruled the world since WW2, was precipitating US decline relative to China.

    IMHO, this is a simplistic judgement on President Trump and does explain why he precisely chose to tear down the imperial framework the US was the centre of, and why he tried de-coupling his country from globalist forces.

    More profound explanations have to be found for his actions, other than his narcissism:

    The kick-the-can, debt-led response to the 2008 financial crisis of rolling-over ever larger mountains of debt (‘printing’ more money/debt) at zero interest rates, has been responsible for a massive transfer of purchasing power from the 60% to the 1%; responsible for gaping wealth inequalities; for the concentration of the economic means (and political power) in the hands of the oligarchy – in tandem with the incrementally growing stultification of the ‘deplorable’ sector of the economy. In ZeroHedge’s words of that time, this sector of the American public was being “thrown under the bus by the Federal Reserve”.

    In short, the rise of the Deplorable constituency – associated with Trumpism – is not the cause of today’s crisis, but its symptom

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/01/on-american-dharma-of-dynamics-and-confusion-symptom-with-cause/

  145. @The Real World

    “…. the obvious but unspeakable truth that COVID-19 is almost certainly a US-NATO bioweapon, most likely deliberately unleashed.”

    So, the evil masterminds deliberately released an imaginary virus that can’t be proven to even exist. That virus is being blamed for deaths caused by any number of other diseases to the point that deaths from those diseases have stopped being counted or reported.

    That may be “obvious” to people who get all of their information from TV news programming, but it’s absurd to many medical doctors and scientists. For something that is “unspeakable” it certainly is all the rage in conservatard circles.

    The covid-as-bioweapon meme is just another way of supporting the covid myth.

  146. @onebornfree

    Applying Occam’s razor, wouldn’t it be easier to just add the illicit payload to the flu shot most people blithely get every year? Occam’s Razor etc

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Alfred
  147. denk says:

    we would expect the US to target China’s economy. An obvious way of doing that is through biological warfare.

    Such efforts have probably been ongoing for at least a decade. Chinese sources have alleged that bird flu and swine flu were deliberately spread throughout China by US military agents in order to deprive China of its main sources of meat.

    Trump’s trade blitzkrieg targets the entire Chinese supply chain , intended to trigger an exodus of MNC,

    From the horse mouth,
    Does it sounds like a Freudian slip ?
    ‘Victory lap’, no less !

    While on the show, Ross said he didn’t “want to talk about a victory lap over a very unfortunate, very malignant disease.” Then, of course, he did just that.
    But the fact is, it does give businesses [cough] yet another thing to consider when they go through their review of their supply chain,” he croaked. “On top of all the other things, you had SARS, you have the African swine virus there, now you have this. It’s another risk factor that people need to take into account

    Funny that he also mentioned SARS, which I knew was a bioweapon from day one, an ethnic specific bioweapon, no less.

    About the Swine flu ,

    In the past two years (during the trade war) China has suffered several pandemics:

    February 15, 2018: H7N4 bird flu. Sickened at least 1,600 people in China and killed more than 600. Many chickens killed. China needs to purchase US poultry products.
    June, 2018: H7N9 bird flu. Many chickens killed. China needs to purchase US poultry products.
    August, 2018: outbreak of African swine flu. Same strain as Russia, from Georgia. Millions of pigs killed. China needs to purchase US pork products.
    May 24, 2019: massive infestation of armyworms in 14 province-level regions in China, which destroy most food crops. Quickly spread to more than 8,500 hectares of China’s grain production. They produce astonishing numbers of eggs. China needs to purchase US agricultural products – corn, soybeans.
    December, 2019: Coronavirus appearance puts China’s economy on hold.
    January, 2020: China is hit by a “highly pathogenic” strain of bird flu in Hunan province. Many chickens died, many others killed. China needs to purchase US poultry products.
    The standard adage is that bad luck happens in threes, not sixes.

    Ian Fleming’s law of probability applies,
    Once a happenstance, twice a coincidence…
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/03/19/larry-romanoff-did-the-virus-originate-in-the-us/

    Does it looks like an attack on the Chinese food chain ?

    If it quacks like a duck…

    PS
    Armyworms are native to North America. !

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @denk
  148. @Anonymous

    Viruses are not “alive.” They are genetic material that enter a living cell and use that cell to reproduce the virus.

    That’s confused in several ways. When viruses are identified in microscopic pictures they are seen as intact ball-shaped bodies with an inside and an outside. The Corona viruses are seen as having those spikes sticking out all over the outside. These spikes are said to interact with the TMPRSS2 receptor on a human cell, which splits the furin cleavage site on the spike protein allowing it to grab onto the ACE2 receptor and enter the cell. Only then, or perhaps as it enters, is it ‘seen’ to break up into its genetic parts, use the bodies genetic material to replicate and reform into ball-shaped bodies.

    In large part they are hypothetical entities and processes. The claim that viruses have been isolated is arguably disputed. There are a lot of inferences going on. There are no moving pictures of the processes going on. (That is not to claim they don’t exist.)

    Virologists like to say that even an intact virus is non-living because it does not grow or reproduce in cell culture. But they also like to say they can “kill” it when they cause the viral body to break up into its many purportedly constituent parts so it can no longer enter a cell. In effect they are presumed to have perhaps three states of life. Dead, truly dead and actively reproducing. Or something.

    It seems to be these constituent parts they use to sequence the viral proteins in a process called rectification, if I understand it correctly. (They are not particularly transparent in this regard.)

    The rectification also seems to involve substantial inference, with many thousands of separate pieces all to be put together, perhaps like a jig-saw puzzle. More complicated because some of those parts could well derive from non-viral constituents of the cell. That said, they have had several decades to work out SARS-CoV1 and SARS-CoV2 is said to be closely related.

  149. ANon 53 says:
    @TKK

    HIV infected humans via the hepatitis vaccine which used simian tissue to make. Hepatitis was rampant among gays in the US, and so they were given the vaccine and were the first to get AIDS in the US.

  150. anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Doktor Unz is almost entirely exact in 112, with two crucial corrigenda:

    1. They are not deep or rogue. They are the state. They are not out of control, they are in control. CIA’s municipal-law impunity means your government is CIA, full stop.

    2. They are not fucktards, they are criminals. Part of their motive is to hinder attribution of their internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens. Killing half a million Americans does just that. It does not materially affect CIA’s off-the-books slush funds for covert crime, or CIA’s illicit profit centers (gunrunning, drug-dealing, child trafficking, money laundering, insider trading.) We must not confuse the interest of a criminal state with the national interest. CIA rationally sacrificed the latter for the former.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @annamaria
  151. @Zarathustra

    The Big Pharma blood-suckers in the USA have just increased insulin prices by 550%, thanks to their ‘asset’ Biden rescinding a Trump Executive Order. This is the great ‘Shining Shit-house on the Hill’ that lectures everybody else about ‘Human Rights’ and ‘Our Moral Values’.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  152. Ron Unz says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Actually, in one of my columns from a few months ago, I sketched out my own hypothetical scenario of what might have happened, and here’s the link:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/31000-words-missing-from-the-atlantic-and-the-new-york-times-sunday-magazine/#addendum-the-hypothetical-scenario-of-the-covid-19-outbreak

    The whole outline is certainly quite speculative, and anyone could easily add or subtract various elements, but this would be my own best guess.

    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
    , @Sick of Orcs
  153. Bro43rd says:
    @dimples

    Projection defined. Calls the author a conspiracist then immediately spews his own conspiracy, lol, no rotflol.

  154. @Sean

    Who remembers David Warmer as Henry VI, or Morgan-A Suitable Case for Treatment?

    • Replies: @Sean
  155. @follyofwar

    The Tucker Carlson who recently raved about Lee Harvey Oswald, the ‘dedicated Communist’, being JFK’s sole assassin? That buffoon?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  156. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Desert Fox

    [Covid-19] is a scam and a psyop to destroy the middle classes of the world and to bring in the globalists great reset aka communism and lock down the world in a draconian, demonic, diabolical one world government.

    This is surely the most plausible theory of the origin of Covid, the havoc it has caused being hailed by both Prince Charles and Klaus Schwabb, as creating:

    A unique and rapidly closing window of opportunity to set ourselves on a new and more sustainable course

    A more sustainable course meaning, clearly, a lower standard of living for you, if not for Prince Charles.

    But if ending the growth of global GDP is the objective, what’s to follow the Covid depression?

    Massive inflation, one would expect — the result of Covid-justified money printing, leading to general impoverishment and sharply rising interest rates, a stock market implosion, with the Dow under 5000, and a super depression that will make the Great Recession seem like a momentary dip in a rising tide.

  157. Biff says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Considering your link and Alfred McCoy who I consider an insightful person, but a bit heavy on the “Obama and America is great” and “Trump is the worst”
    Sure, Trump jettisoned the Corporatist, Globalist, friendly TPP in favor of a domestic jobs program utopia that was certainly too little, too late(the off-shoring damage was done), but Alfred goes a little too far in making Trump solely responsible for the corona virus pandemic disaster without mentioning the horrific government agencies that are paid billions to do the heavy lifting, and failed miserably when tasked to do their job.

    And then this:

    Washington has spent 30 years officially promoting fair voting and democratic transitions,

    Has this guy spent the past thirty years in a cave when the CIA was overthrowing democratically elected governments that Washington hated?

    His analogy is spot on of Rumple waking up to a brand new world, but I would put most of the blame on the drunken elite rather than just Trump(the plum in the pudding).

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  158. JM says:
    @Iris

    “Why don’t you accept that, for all their evilness, the imperialists within your government are also obsolete and crazy?”

    From where in the name of hell did you make that inference?

    The Chinese Social Imperialists/Fascists/Oriental Despots are loyal to the Han majority without a doubt. The “leaders” in all the West are disloyal to one degree or another. In the US…TOTALLY.

    On all the rest we also disagree.

  159. JM says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    That paper on fertility is too inconclusive to count for much at all.

    What is your source on the nRNA vaccines?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  160. Jiminy says:

    My wacked-out conspiracy theory on what transpired is as follows. No mention of aliens or chem-trails will be uttered. The US government upon finding that e-vaping deaths beginning in January 2019 may be related to deaths in an old people’s home in early 2019 realise they have a tiger by the tail. They trace it back to an American bio-lab that is then shut down for about nine months. Now comes damage control. Let the virus run it’s course. Decisions are made to be gracious and spread the love . To turn a negative into a positive they allow the virus to find its way to China. Conveniently China’s economy is predicted to go into free fall. Chinese though are prepared because of previous viral attempts to derail them. WHO investigation clears China. The big questions are how did the virus escape the lab? Why e-vapers? How did it get into the old people’s home? Now that Biden’s in office and taking into account his love for the Chinese, questions may be answered. He could even lumber Trump with the blame. Why the Unz website is still alive and kicking, could have something to do with the fact that it isn’t mentioned on Fox News or any other mainstream media site. Once this happens, and they are talking freely about the site and it’s contents then that will probably sound the death knell for good.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  161. Alfred says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Pentagon has sent expeditions into the global ‘hot zones’ in the tropics, centres of diversity of potential micro-organism pathogens, to collect possible biowarfare species, for decades.

    As a child, I met this guy a few times. We, kids, played in his spacious garden in Cairo. Now, I am looking at him in a new light. 🙁

    At NAMRU-3 he devoted much of his time to gathering collections of scientifically valuable specimens from remote or little-studied areas of the world and contributing them freely to institutions and specialists everywhere. Eighteen-hour working days were the usual with him. This propensity enabled him to accomplish an enormous amount of work, as demonstrated by the fact that during his lifetime he authored or co-authored more than 500 publications, edited many more and directed the translation of over 1,800 scientific papers and books. He was at one time or another a member of more than 30 professional societies, served in a volunteer capacity in at least 20 professional and editorial posts, lectured on countless occasions to scientific groups, participated in the graduate training of a number of students, and built and managed for many years an outstanding Department of Medical Zoology at NAMRU-3 in Cairo. His collaborators included such renowned parasitologists as Dr. Gertrud Theiler and Dr. Jane Brotherton Walker.

    Harry Hoogstraal – Naval Medical Research Unit Three (NAMRU-3)

    • Thanks: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Jiminy
  162. central says:

    new york headquartered AP wouldn’t be stacked with zionist imbeciles now would it? Research of top personnel gives the game away, while wall street shysters profit from the manufactured global scamdemic. Key tourist nations in Europe are already backing down on the “covid” numbers in the MSM, as they need the future revenue to avert financial disaster.

  163. Alfred says:
    @Marshal Marlow

    Applying Occam’s razor, wouldn’t it be easier to just add the illicit payload to the flu shot most people blithely get every year? Occam’s Razor etc

    The source of the infections would be quickly exposed. That would make it impossible to persuade the public to take an untested DNA-altering compound.

  164. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    Superb comment Mefo old buddy, and one that should be read to children in every school in the West* Bravo!

    * Fat chance of that of course, while (((our friends))) remain in charge.

  165. @Kevin Barrett

    It’s very important to stress that Trump was just (1) incompetent; (2) narcissistic; (3) a fool. Let’s make that very clear. Also very important is, when criticizing some of his actions, to describe them as “blunders”.

    I have searched about opinions on TPP on this very site, but on a first search very little appeared: only one piece by Paul Craig Roberts, against it, another by a one-off writer, strongly against it, and a podcast which I haven’t listened to, but judging from the summary seems to be against it.

    In 2015:
    The Predators Behind the TPP
    KAREL VAN WOLFEREN
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-predators-behind-the-tpp/
    (26 comments, all against the TPP, in varying degrees)

    In 2011:
    Trans Pacific Partnership: Corporate Escape from Accountability
    PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
    https://www.unz.com/proberts/trans-pacific-partnership-corporate-escape-from-accountability/

    A 2013 podcast:
    The Trans Pacific Partnership Forum (TPP), #282 with Georgia Kelly, Arthur Stamoulis, Margaret Flowers, and Kevin Zeese
    https://www.unz.com/audio/gunsbutter_the-trans-pacific-partnership-forum-tpp-282/

  166. Sean says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    A populist won an election by saying that the elite were selling ordinary Americans down the river and facilitating economic rape by China. The American elite control politics through campaign contributions, and they want to be able to invest in China to get in on the ground floor of the expected explosive growth of the Chinese home market. But with a few well-connected exceptions, American companies cannot repatriate their profits, so must keep re-investing in Chinese growth. While US shareholders are happy at what financial balance sheets indicate are Madoff-style returns, in reality China has taken foreign investors’ money hostage for a ransom of productive capacity for China. The US elite will now stuff the pandemic stimulus money into Chinese investments as fast as they can, and sell cheap US energy to China.

    The deals that Trump rejected involved opening the US market up in an unprecedented way to Japan, South Korea ECT. Moreover, the same opening up of the US market to supposed strategic allies was inherent in the trade agreement with Europe. With a massive and growing trade surplus with the US, Germany is a profiting as a key supplier of capital goods to China and is cocooned within NATO protected at American taxpayer expense yet building a massive energy pipeline from the country it is being defended from (Russia). Germany can be looked at a as a freeloading mercantilist.

    Trump was an incompetent narcissistic fool whose grotesque strategic blunders, such as leaving TPP and otherwise blowing up the whole system of alliances and institutions by which the US ruled the world since WW2, was precipitating US decline relative to China

    Is South Korea incompetent for demanding more and more American taxpayer funded protection before it actually agreed to sign TPP? Obama’s TPP agreement would have given SK and Japan easy access to the US market and China did not accept TPP. Obama couldn’t work out what to do the ever increasing demands from the Japs as SK in response to the treats from Xi’s catspaw Kim, who would not have simply stopped threatening Japan and South Korea, which are in fact essential suppliers to China and indirectly to Kim (his missiles have foreign microprocessors in them). East Asian countries even if (one way) US allies. If this sounds complex, the US’s allies in East Asia are best conceptualized as part of a confluence of powers who see the US as a milch cow. Indeed one could see the US elite as effectively as part of that unspoken alliance with China at its centre.

    I read McCoy’s piece “The shimmering dome of the Capitol once symbolized the vitality of this nation’s democracy, inspiring others to follow its principles or at least acquiesce to its power”. The elite opponents of Tiberius Gracchus could have said as much.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  167. Barrett to my knowledge has failed to point out that covid 19 has not been purified, isolated, nor identified therefore it is not a real pathogen but rather just another medical scam like the previous “flus” and the phony AIDS “epidemic. That of course explains why the criminals at WHO-CDC that are in Zionist eugenicist Gates pocket. Get some balls Barrett and admit that covid is fake just like the crumbling holohoax scam. Your radio program may not be as bad as the Jew MSM but it’s not much better. Calling you a “conspiracy super spreader” is about like calling the Zionist Jew shill Alex Jones a “voice of truth.”

    • Agree: R2b
  168. @cranc

    Insightful comment, thank you.

    What is clear is that there was a program of response ready and waiting to be rolled out.

    Precisely why I maintain covid is a hoax, not its existence but the hysterical global reaction. If the virus was as deadly as hoaxers claim even a semi-competent government response effort would quickly fold. (Auspiciously for comparison the next mediocre adaptation of Stephen King’s The Stand was shown this year, the story of a superflu with a 99.99% death rate [covidhoax being its real life near-opposite.])

    Anyone who tries to paint this as national rivalry gone wrong is extremely ignorant or trying to mislead you.

    red china is a frenemy of the USA at best and a threat to the entire world at worst. That goddamned nixon…

  169. Fr. John says:
    @JWalters

    “There’s a lot of evidence that America is Israel’s dumb muscle when it comes to war.”

    Oh, just call the USSA Israel’s B*TCH, and get over it…..

    • Agree: Moi
  170. Sean says:
    @Iris

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691190785/deaths-of-despair-and-the-future-of-capitalism

    In this critically important book, Case and Deaton tie the crisis to the weakening position of labor, the growing power of corporations, and, above all, to a rapacious health-care sector that redistributes working-class wages into the pockets of the wealthy.

    There are ways for a country to cope with debt. The debt to GDP ration of Japan is horrendous, but as Kyle Bass discovered when he foolishly tried to short Japan based on debt and demographics, very deceptive because they just buy it back the debt and cancel it. We are going to see a lot of countries try and copy Japan.

  171. skrik says:
    @Majority of One

    Cui Bono?

    After (((they))) got away with JFK, USS Liberty and 9/11 etc., it was ‘game-over’ for rational/just life. [Then we got PC-everything including LGBTIQA+ = uni-sex toilets, haw!] IMHO there is *no* threat in 5G, and the “chemtrails” c-theory is simply silly. [People ‘pushing’ these non-serious themes might be better off finding some other ‘birds of a feather’ non-serious site, as opposed to thoughtlessly polluting UR?] Again IMHO, we do have a real problem with Covid-19, even if it’s ‘only’ killing off mainly oldies, but kindly consider this:

    “Nearly ONE-THIRD of Covid survivors in England re-hospitalized & over 12% of them died within 5 months, new research claims
    19 Jan, 2021 05:14”
    https://www.rt.com/uk/512913-covid-survivors-rehospitalized-study/

    There’s also the discussion of ACE2 receptors throughout the body, including in ‘germ’ cells, etc.. The next *real* worry is why the only solution being pushed by world governments is immunisation, and worse, the US version being an unheard-of mRNA experiment. brrr! But there is one ‘caveat’ here, namely that China, Iran and Russia are *most* unlikely to be playing along with some stupid (((western))) conspiracy against us, we the sheople = proof that IF a bioweapon THEN brought to us by US/Zs. rgds

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @durd
  172. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Thank you!
    Pharmaceutical and chemical industries are mostly exclusively owned by Jews.
    I did ask one Jew to get me a job there but he did not. (in ethanol production.)

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  173. Spanky says:
    @Mefobills

    I’ve made the case in my comment history, that FC was invented in Amster-damn, and then jumped to London. — Mefobills

    Excellent comment, but I do have one notable observation…

    In Wealth and Democracy, Kevin Phillips locates the origin of financial capitalism in Spain, after it’s exploitation of the new world hit full stride and began pumping huge amounts of gold and silver plunder into the Spanish treasury and economy. From Spain FC moved to Amsterdam, then London…

    • Replies: @Rocha
  174. @Biff

    Very much agree with “too little too late”
    Offshoring did unleash the Chinese fire breathing dragon and nothing is going to stop it now.
    It is going to burn all world.

  175. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    No one is right all the time, and that certainly applies to Tucker as well. If Tucker is a buffoon then all of us are.

    • Replies: @Moi
  176. lavoisier says:

    KB. Never saw your interview on Fox before.

    You went into the heart of darkness and stood your ground.

    I am surprised they even allowed you to speak.

    My hat is off to you, sir.

  177. @Iris

    More profound explanations have to be found for his actions, other than his narcissism

    I quite agree though I really can’t see the narcissism bit. When they attack you every day for four years, with lies and charges of treason, you naturally get a little defensive, if you have any spunk at all. It is this they want to demonize as narcissism.

    I would go further and suggest that commentators who accuse Mr. Trump of narcissism are being themselves defensive: They’ve been made to feel guilty about even the limited support they give the guy and want to make reservations about that support to avoid push-back.

    Trump has seen through the political-correctness theology as rank intimidation and will have nothing to do with it. He would fit in quite well here at UR.

  178. lavoisier says:
    @moi

    Many minds participated in the construction of the first nuke. Most of whom were Gentiles. And it was the Gentiles who funded the research into building the bomb–THE US GOVERNMENT.

    Lise Meitner, the Jewish physicist who perhaps more than anyone else pulled the lid off of the atomic Pandora’s box with her discovery of fission, refused to participate in the building of the atomic bomb.

    The atomic bomb is no more the creation of Jews than is the discovery of gravity or of evolution.

    And yes, Jews are over represented in scientific discoveries for at least the last two hundred years, including treatments for human disease.

    • Replies: @Moi
  179. Iris says:
    @skrik

    the US version being an unheard-of mRNA experiment.

    This is an important point worth highlighting; mRNA vaccines are a new experiment, derived from gene therapy and are not traditional “vaccines” as we know them. They are mostly produced by US-based companies Pfizer and Moderna.

    On the contrary, the Russian Sputnik vaccine for instance was elaborated using safer, conventional methodologies combining two adenoviruses. It is reported to have a 91·6% efficiency, so very close from the purported success rate of the mRNA vaccines :

    Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine candidate appears safe and effective

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext

    Some among the Covid skeptics have highlighted the anomalies within Moderna’s business model: the company has raised $3.2 billion in equity since 2010, and made losses of $1.5 billion since inception without producing any drug that actually passed clinical trials.

    In 2017, an mRNA drug development program targeting orphan diseases was scrapped when animal trials showed that Moderna’s treatment would never be safe enough for use in humans. Moderna has been often criticised in scientific press (Nature) for its secrecy and absence of peer scientific validation.

    So Moderna’s had been for over 10 years siphoning private and public funds in vain: Covid 19 was a lifeline and a blessing.

    On another aspect, there is a persistent rumour in Europe that Pfizer had foreknowledge of the pandemic.
    Pfizer/BionNtech would have ordered from German chemical company Schott 2 x 800 millions of vaccine vials resisting a temperature of -100 degree C, a temperature never used before in the vaccine industry, and that the order was made on 2nd November 2019, before Covid was even detected in Wuhan.

    This rumour appeared in Germany, was relayed in Belgium and was exposed on French TV by a lawyer representing an anti-vax consumers organisation.

    It was labelled as “fake news” by the French MSM in exactly similar wording, as if all newspapers had received the same communique on the topic. Not really convincing.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  180. I don’t buy the biowarfare conspiracy. Of course, it isn’t impossible. But any instigator would have to assume, if he had any rationality, that the disease could not be confined to the target areas. However, conspiracy or rogue elements are far more plausible in the 2001 Anthrax attacks.

    As for COVID-19, it is still best (and most simply) explained by a lab accident. No deliberate malice required. Its close relative SARS got loose at least a few times before. COVID-19 or something very like it could have just as easily begun in Raliegh-Durham, North Carolina or any of several other places around the world where scientists play with viruses:

    https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/3048.full.pdf?sid=05ebeac0-e981-4741-b9c5-76e53457d29f

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @Chinaman
  181. @Jiminy

    The US government upon finding that e-vaping deaths beginning in January 2019 may be related to deaths in an old people’s home in early 2019 realise they have a tiger by the tail.

    Interesting and provocative theory. My only amendment would be to put e-vaping in quotation marks, to indicate the attribution of a spate of pneumonia deaths to e-vaping was speculative and defensive.

    Vaping had been around for quite a few years and had never been seen as causing pneumonia. I suspect they had to do some fancy foot work to make that attribution. How it made it into the medical journals might be a story in itself. Probably got up to a fairly high level in the CDC, at least.

  182. Spanky says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Then we can expects LOTS of attention, sadly… — Mustapha Mond

    What do you mean then? TNR receives plenty of attention now.

    The five-eyes of empire are upon you
    All the live long day.
    The five-eyes of empire are upon you
    You cannot get away.
    Do not think you can escape them
    At night or early in the morn
    The five-eyes of empire are upon you
    ‘Till Gabriel blows his horn.

    Sung to the tune of “The Eyes of Texas”

  183. @A.z

    Fatal fury fan eh?

    Yes, but I prefer King of Fighters ’97-’02.

    Congrats on being the first to decipher that part of my screenname!

  184. Moi says:
    @Schuetze

    The comment was about America–not Jews.

  185. Moi says:
    @lavoisier

    My post was about America, not Jews.

    • Replies: @AnnonnGuest
  186. @Dumbo

    Dumbo says:Countries such as Nepal were too poor to test everybody or maintain long lockdowns, so they basically “stopped fighting the pandemic” and it just went away.
    The same happened in the good ‘ol USA. According to Zero Hedge.com, both California and Florida had the same results even though California had extreme lock downs and Florida remained relatively free.

  187. Moi says:
    @follyofwar

    Tucker is smart dude and right on some issues, but he’s also a freakin’ Islamophobe. Hate of Muslims is in America’s DNA, just like love for Israel.

  188. lavoisier says: • Website

    My apologies.

    And you are right.

    And the US government is the only government to have ever used nuclear weapons on a civilian population–a war crime.

  189. @Timur The Lame

    Maybe if you learned to write standard English you wouldn’t have this moron problem with your brain.

  190. annamaria says:
    @TommyCanYouHearMe

    Looking into the future.
    The link should be sent to each congress-critter as a birthday gift for their children and grandchildren: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    • Agree: Robjil, Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  191. @Iris

    thank you, iris, greatly appreciated. i’ve bookmarked this & shall print it for my gp & neurologist (i’ve several long term back splash issues).

  192. The biggest problem with our man on the scene Kevin is that he has absolutely towed the Globalist anti-white line in rejecting vociferously “White Nationalism” thinking that he would somehow get to keep his seat at the proverbial table.

    No Kevin, the bell tolls for all of us. Merely expressing an informed opinion as a white person is what they are policing. You could have every fact in the world on your side and they will still make you “problematic”. You are just hastening your own media demise by drawing attention to yourself. White men need not apply.

  193. @JM

    This research paper finds that Syncytin-1 has been found in human male gametes as well as female oocytes. It seems to have, moreover, a very important role in reproduction:

    Syncytin and its receptor are present in human gametes and localization and temporal appearance is consistent with a possible role in fusion between oocyte and sperm.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

    Syncytin, you may remember, is the reason why concerns have been raised about the effect of vaccines on female fertility. The idea being that the vaccine would stimulate an immune reaction in which the body would attack the germ cells, or oocytes, and destroy them with antibodies. This idea has been investigated as a method of birth control in the past.
    https://mattbell.org/mrna-vaccine-blocks-protein-that-helps-formation-of-human-placenta

    Your claim about the paper on the effect of Covid-19 on fertility may be strictly true, but everyone should be given the actual state of current research so they can decide for themselves. Back in May, when it was announced that ACE2 receptors were found in the testes, I predicted that the disease would be found to adversely affect fertility, and that has now been proven true.

    To find that the ovary is similarly populated is not surprising because the ovaries and testes derive from the same embryonic tissue. It will not be surprising to me at least if they both suffer similar effects from Covid-19.

    If I were in the reproductive age groups, I would be doing everything I could to inure myself from the effects of the disease, with sunshine and Vitamin D, HCQ and Ivermectin. I would demand some proper scientific studies before subjecting myself to risky new vaccines.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @JM
  194. @obwandiyag

    He certainly gets my up-vote for being able to cut you down to size without using coarse language like moron problem.

    If you couldn’t understand the insult, it was more of a reading problem than a writing problem.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  195. @Iris

    Hello Iris, It seems that you are interested in the origin of the SARS-CoV2 which produced Covid-19. I have some interesting facts that may seem astonishing, but nevertheless 100% impeccably true and accurate.

    Sometime in the 1970s, a vengeful man, who sought vengeance on the U.S. traveled from the U.S. to the PRC(Peoples Republic of China) and met with Mao-Tse-Tung, the CCP(Chinese Communist Party) Chairman to discuss a plan for revenge on the U.S.. Interestingly during that same decade, former U.S. President Richard M. Nixon was picked up by the Chinese in an American-made Boeing 707 and transported from JKF Airport in Queens, NY and taken to Beijing, China and met with CCP Chairman Mao. This happened on Feb. 21, 1976 approximately 1 1/2 years after he resigned from office. I can’t prove it was former Pres. Nixon, but this happened in that decade. Mao hated the U.S and its citizens as well as Nixon. Nixon was enraged with hate because he had to resign from his office and this experience was extremely embarrassing. So they hatched a plan creating a biological weapon in the form of a virus, which was the Covid-19, which we are presently combating on this planet. In the meantime this is all I can reveal, as I am awaiting for more info in this regard. Cheers, Mark

  196. @obwandiyag

    “Write standard English”? What does that mean? Did you mean “write IN standard English”?
    Is it like the King’s English? For the love of me I don’t know what you are on about.

    My best guess is you are someone who enjoys masturbating with his own poppycock.

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  197. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    And who is in charge of the CIA?

    Meanwhile: https://thesaker.is/rockets-pound-us-base-in-northern-iraq-leading-to-casualties/

    The same America that runs its mouth about leading the entire world in a “War on Terrorism” for the past 2 decades has been covertly arming, sponsoring, or colluding with jihadi terrorist groups around the world–including in the Balkans (Kosovo Liberation Army); Libya (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group); Iraq (ISIS); Yemen (Al-Queda); Syria (Al-Nusra Front and now Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham); Iran (MEK and Balochi insurgents); China (in Xinjiang); and Russia (in Chechnya).
    “US backs al-Qaeda in Yemen while dubbing its Houthi enemies ‘terrorists’”
    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/01/12/us-al-qaeda-yemen-houthis-terrorists/
    “How the US Ends Up Training al-Qaeda and ISIS Collaborators”
    https://www.ispsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/461_Lin-1.pdf

    And don’t forget the Oscar-winning glorification of White Helmets, these “poor victims” saved by Israelis. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44915099

    Some 422 volunteers and family members were taken to Jordan via the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights overnight. The White Helmets describe themselves as a volunteer workforce that acts to save people in Syria’s war zones. Supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and his Russian allies, say the White Helmets support the rebels and also have links to jihadist groups.

    The zionized Guardian obliged: https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/22/comment-set-free-the-head-of-the-white-helmets-begs-for-intervention-in-east-ghouta/

    The Guardian today is running an opinion piece written by Raed Al Saleh the “head of the White Helmets” … The same newspaper that denied a platform to Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett to respond to the attacks made on them by Olivia Solon, has now given carte blanche to the spokesman for an organisation which, at very best, has terrorists and terrorists sympathisers in its ranks, and at worst is a front and shield for al Nusra and ISIS in Syria. To the surprise of very few the article is not open for comments.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  198. Rocha says:
    @Spanky

    The debt based usurious financial system that now enslaves started in PROTESTANT England with the legalization of usury and the privatization of the issue of the currency.
    Catholic Spain had nothing to do with the current system. For Catholics and Muslims usury is still a sin and that is why they had to get rid of the rightful Catholic king , James and install a Protestant usurper to get their central bank.
    The same reason for the Russian revolution where the Czar was toppled. His grandfather, Alexander had stated that he would never permit the setting up of a central bank.
    The same reason they had to destroy all the Catholic monarchies in WWI.
    Since the establishment of the Bank of England every single war and revolution has been to impose this nefarious system on every single country in the world under the cynical guise of promoting democracy.
    It is no coincidence that after 9/11 the only two countries left in the Middle East without a Rothschilds controlled central bank are Iran and Syria.

    • Agree: GeeBee
  199. annamaria says:
    @annamaria

    Olivia Solon, a special presstitute from the US: https://21stcenturywire.com/2017/12/21/uk-column-deconstructs-olivia-solons-russia-white-helmets-conspiracy-guardian-article/

    a Guardian journalist named Olivia Solon was tasked with the job of attacking and slandering any independent journalists who have dared to challenge the Guardian’s own establishment party line on a UK government-funded Syrian NGO’ branded as ‘Syrian Civil Defense’ aka the White Helmets.

    In addition to slandering Vanessa Beeley, Eva Bartlet, Tim Anderson, and Patrick Henningsen – all of whom have done extensive fieldwork on the ground in Syria and the Middle East, The Guardian’s technology writer’ Solon is claiming that any journalists or persons on social media who are skeptical of the western government-funded White Helmets are in fact part of an elaborate Russian government-run propaganda operation. Guardian informationists like Solon would never dare mention that the White Helmet’s monthly “stipend” salary is far in excess of the standard salary for a Syrian Army soldier…

    https://www.corbettreport.com/an-open-letter-to-olivia-solon/

    For her loyal service to ziocons, Olivia Solon has been hired by NBC: https://twitter.com/oliviasolon

  200. JoeFour says:
    @Mefobills

    Great comment…just a minor quibble…Washington’s admonitions against foreign entanglements indeed went unheeded but the sentiment that “She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy” was expressed by John Quincy Adams in a speech to the House of Representatives in 1821.

  201. @Iris

    The Zionists knew that the TPP was not going to pass at that time. The globalists can only go so fast. So by having Trump disparage the unconstitutional monstrosity it played into his fake conservative image. The Zionists always must maintain the Rep. Dem. two party facade or else the goyim would start to figure out that both fake parties and the Zionist operatives on the left and the right are herding them into Agenda 2030-21.

    The elite have been using the fake virus along with the vaccine scam since the Rockefeller’s took over the medical colleges in the early 1900’s. The 1918 flu was mostly a result of injecting people with the deadly Para-Typhus vaccine made from chicken and hog substrates along with the massive overdosing of the new drug aspirin to anyone who appeared sick. Just as now anyone that died was labeled a victim of the “flu.” Vaccines have never worked. Read the real history of vaccines in Suzanne Humphries MD “Dissolving Illusions.” Polio was also a fraud as explained in Forrest Maready’s “The Moth In the Iron Lung.”

    The mNRA is not legally a vaccine because it provides no immunity (how could it when the virus is fake) and does not prevent transmission. It is actually a chemotherapy gene modification injection that has never been used because of the inherent dangers.



    Did not mean to derail into the fake virus but it is an integral part of the global Zionist agenda. Trump was just another puppet actor that the elite’s MSM tried (not very successfully) to portray as a conservative as they did with the Bush crime family. He made no decisions and was just a prop as are all of the Zionist shills put in the presidency. Jewmerica put the Chinese communists in power and when they and the Russians develop their military capability enough they will be used by the elite as the new external enemy opposing the U.S. in order to initiate martial law. It is easy to see this coming because of the propaganda campaign dispensed by the Jew MSM.

  202. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    this is nonsense

    all available evidence points to a lab origin in Wuhan

    there is ZERO that it is a US bioweapon- that thesis makes zero fucking sense whatsoever.

    this rube goldberg level conspiracy theory shit has GOT to stop

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  203. anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Annamaria, 202 is a rhetorical question, I presume? But to me it does not answer itself. In comment 202 I see several examples of eyes-only intelligence liaison agreements, which formalize the “Safari Club” structure CIA used to evade Congressional scrutiny back in the 70s. These benefit CIA by allowing them to conceal evidence of CIA crime as state secrets of a foreign intelligence service.

    I am always looking for examples of Mossad, MI6, or other favored CIA henchmen acting counter to CIA’s institutional interests (not counter to US national interests, that’s no skin off CIA’s nose.) Pollard? He sat on his ‘rrhoids in Butner for a generation or so. I cannot find examples of CIA going along with any anything that doesn’t top up its covert-ops slush funds or protect its market dominance in key profit centers such as gun-running, drug-dealing, child trafficking, money-laundering, or insider trading. I cannot see CIA going along with any anything that threatens its domestic impunity.

    Until I see somebody pushing CIA around you’ll really have to work to convince me that CIA’s the remora and not the shark.

  204. JamesinNM says:

    Read the paperback book titled “The Sociopath Next Door.”

  205. Iris says:
    @annamaria

    Congress-critters and their descendance should also be sent this Physics article proving that the foreign country they pledge allegiance to has dustified 3000 innocent Americans with nuclear weapons in the heart of Manhattan, also causing another 10,000+ radiation-induced cancers.

    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  206. HVM says:

    Thank you for this website.

    • Agree: Iris
  207. @Rocha

    The idea of usury began with the misguided beliefs of the Catholics. This is not surprising since their entire dogma is based on tradition, superstition and falsehood. I refer you to Matt 25:14-30. Here the the master (Jesus) rebukes the 1 talent servant, telling him all he had to do was to place his talent (money) with the money lenders (bankers of the day). Interest (usury) is the time value of money as determined by market demand. Money is a capital asset and as such demands a price or value just like any other capital. The subterfuge about the Muslims is a transparent fraud. The interest is figured in no matter how it is disguised.

    [MORE]

    The problem with the Bank of England as with all fiat banking cartels is mainly in the creation of debt based credit. That is what allows the interest to compound. If there were no fiat banking but only a gold based market currency that could not be depreciated, interest would not be a problem since it could not be piled on top of ever expanding credit. When the taxpayers are faced with a direct bill for the cost of a war instead of being hidden through the indirect and insidious tax of depreciation (inflation) you can be sure they would demand a termination of whatever conflict post-haste.

    The Russian Revolution of 1917 had nothing to do with usury but was really a Zionist Jew plunder operation of incredible proportions. It is true that the Czars did not want to surrender any financial control to the Rothschilds (as the Vatican did long ago) wanting to keep the banking racket to themselves.

    The Private fiat banking cartel is the number 1 tool of the Zionists for two reasons, First it enables them to pay for their global agenda by the generation of mountains of debt and secondly it gradually transfers the wealth from the producers to these elite parasites. The charging of interest was not the main issue here either. In Jewmerica the interest payed by our Jew ridden degenerate, corrupt government to the banking cartel (the FED) has in fact been greatly limited by the courageous efforts of congressmen Jerry Vorhis and Wright Patman, both of whom were torpedoed by the Zionist syndicate. Jewmerica’s debt (interest) to foreign bond holders is now beyond ever being paid but again that is because of the actions of the privately controlled banking cartel working in conjunction with our Zionist criminal parasites in government.

    The Rothschild affiliated (there are other members) private banking cartel are a very powerful part of the Zionist syndicate. Their goal is total control. Syria and Iran are a big impediment to the elites agenda based out of their bridgehead of Palestine in the Middle East. Again as far as the collection of interest from these two minor economies is of a very peripheral concern. If the Zionists succeed in their agenda of global hegemony, then of course they will standardize the whole world into the same Neo-feudalistic Agenda 2030-21 socialist austerity for the world’s cattle. In that happens, usury will be way down on the list of your worries.

    Now Rocha, here is the real problem:https://www.bitchute.com/video/3wisVxwUjeZt/

  208. denk says:
    @denk

    FUKUS MO..
    Punish the population to trigger a DIY regime change, from ex Yugo to Afpak, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc etc.

    BUt targeting the food chain is even more vile, its an attempt on genocide.

    Exhibit Iraq…

    One of the questions I’ve asked both in the west and in Iraq is why are they targeting sheep, and I really can’t come to a conclusion. It seems so irrational, but I wonder, is it just target practice, or is it their intention is to destroy the food chain? For these pastoral people, the sheep, the barley and the wheat they produce are everything. It’s so basic and nothing is wasted. They use the meat and they sell the excess. They use the leather. They use the wool. Every single bit of it is utilised. They boil down the bones for soup, for gelatine and for preserving. This is all they have.

    After the Gulf War even the date crop went wrong. Dates are just dates. They sit on top of a palm tree and just grow. You don’t spray them with anything or fertilise them. But there was no date crop for five years. The date harvest in Iraq is a big thing. They have nearly 600 different kinds of dates and they were the world’s biggest exporter. But they killed the date crop.

    Since then there has been the screwworm epidemic, foot and mouth disease, which are both non-endemic to that country. There are now reports of locusts—also non-endemic. It’s difficult to know what is going on, but what is certain is that there are diseases happening right across agriculture affecting flora and fauna, in Iraq that have never been seen before.

    https://www.greanvillepost.com/2014/07/11/arbuthnot-obstinate-memories-of-iraq-and-other-places-we-have-wounded/

    Rings a bell ?

    PS
    In the case of China, add locust attack to the avalanche of ‘natural disasters’ ravaging China from NOv 19 — Feb 20

    • Thanks: Majority of One
  209. Jiminy says:
    @Alfred

    Reading your stories reminds me of the Forest Gump movie. Every time you saw a photograph of somebody famous or memorable in the movie, in the background was Forest. It was like a,”who didn’t he know”situation. Here Life follows Art.
    Fortunately this chap wasn’t a Gregory Peck like character living in Brazil.

  210. durd says:
    @skrik

    “chemtrails” c-theory is simply silly.

    Prove it.

    Why does Arizona and many other places have persistent line clouds which in some places completely cover the should be blue sky for hours on end. I have watched planes turn the trail off, turn around with no trail, then turn the trail back on to place an adjacent trail next to the one it just made.

    This is not my humble opinion, this is a fact that I have witnessed several times. I don’t know if chemicals are used but there are others who have done studies that you can look into.

    IMHO if this site had a only super reading egghead comments without those that aren’t so knowledgeable it wouldn’t reach those whom need to learn discernment the most. It would be a club without them in it. You know, just like the club you ain’t in that you are attempting to decipher.

    Since I posted the Anunnaki/Shining Ones in a rather light hearted way It doesn’t mean I am not serious about what I implied. I just don’t carry a hard line like many do when carrying some doubt about my observations.

    I have no idea whom you are referring to as the ones that aren’t serious but I was triggered by your chemtrail put off as I am quite certain something is going on in that area.

    As for the Shining Ones:

    https://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/

  211. @Iris

    There was no radiation. All those deaths were on the account that people did breathe in considerable amounts of asbestos. When person breathe in asbestos, it stay there permanently, eventually causing cancer

    • Replies: @Iris
  212. Iris says:
    @Zarathustra

    The nuclear explosives were placed several dozen meters underground in a chamber part of the foundations. Such technique was largely experimented in natural soil in the 1960’s and is widely documented to the day in the CTBTO official information; just Google it or browse the article I posted.

    The radiations were therefore greatly reduced by the interfacing soil, compared to aerial nuclear explosions such as Hiroshima. This is standard nuclear engineering.

    Asbestos causes mostly 4 types of cancer, mesothelioma, lung, oesophagus and ovarian cancer. But the 10,000+ first responders and victims who got cancer from the WTC’s controlled demolition presented all types of cancers affecting all organs, not just the asbestos-related ones.

    The heat released by the WTC in the aftermath was calculated by a low estimate, and found to be in the order of the monthly production of a 900 Megawatt nuclear reactor. This absolutely stratospheric value could only have been produced by nuclear explosives. The scientific evidence is totally unassailable and the reckoning of the 9/11 crime against humanity is inevitable.

    People ruthless enough to blow up civilians, during peace time, in the middle of urban areas, using nuclear explosives, will have no second thoughts seeding China with a low-lethality virus. These are the raving psychopaths we are talking about.

  213. @Moi

    Effectively the same thing…

  214. @anonymous

    You are either a deluded dupe or an agent. Which is it?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  215. @Sean

    Once the Chinese realised that they were under biowarfare attack, from the US state that used biowarfare against them in Korea in the early 50s, and which gave sanctuary to Ishii Shiro of Unit 731 horror, they had no alternative but to suck it up. Any response adequate to the aggression would lead, inexorably, to nuclear war and human extinction.
    For myself I believe that the Evil psychopath, Pompeo, probably ordered the attack. Easily the most Evil thing I have ever seen, Pompeo ordered Gain of Function experiments on SARS viruses to recommence at AMRIID at Fort Detrick in late 2017, although I expect they never ceased in other regions of Uncle Satan’s vast biowarfare apparatus.

  216. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    I am sure that everyone here as heard of Operation Dark Winter that took place in Washington D.C. just a few months before the 9/11 attack.

    “It was designed to carry out a mock version of a covert and widespread smallpox attack on the United States.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter

    When Biden said “Dark Winter” could he have been referring to an upcoming attack? Don’t forget it was Biden who wrote the Patriot Act.

  217. @Ron Unz

    I reckon it escaped from the sieve labs at AMRIID, so Pompeo ordered the attack brought forward. The US team at the military games, who trained near Fort Detrick, were, I suspect, the witting or unwitting vectors.

  218. @the grand wazoo

    I like ‘coincidence theory’, too.

  219. Yikes

    • Replies: @Jiminy
  220. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Warner’s character in Nightwing, Dr Payne

    The floor of the cave is a foul syrup of digested blood. And the bats: up high, hanging upside down, rustling, fighting, mating, sending constant messages, waiting for the light to fade, hungry for blood, coaxing the big females to wake up and flex their nightwings to lead the colony out across the land, homing in on any living thing; cattle, sheep, dogs, children, anything with warm blood. And they feast, drinking the blood and pissing ammonia. I kill them because they’re the quintessence of evil. To me, nothing else exists. The destruction of vampire bats is what I live for.

    The reason that viruses are said to be not ‘life’ is viruses (apart from a couple of aberrant giant ones) do not produce energy. Sort of vampires. And as the Hammer films will tell you, vampires are not alive, they are undead. They cannot be killed only destroyed.

    Very healthy long lived animals bats, even fruit bats. So are naked mole rats. Must be all the vitamin D they get from the sun from being nocturnal and underground. Humans have a mechanism that switches off vitamin D synthesis in skin after 20 minutes in bright sunlight you know.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=19500727
    Premature aging in vitamin D receptor mutant mice..
    There was no difference either in the structure of cerebellum or in the number of Purkinje cells. Unlike the wildtype controls, VDR KO mice lose their ability to swim after 6 months of age. Expression of all the genes was lower in old VDR KO mice, but only NF-kappaB, Fgf-23, p53 and IGF1R were significantly lower. Since the phenotype of aged VDR knockout mice is similar to mouse models with hypervitaminosis D(3), our study suggests that VDR genetic ablation promotes premature aging in mice, and that vitamin D(3) homeostasis regulates physiological aging.

  221. Spanky says:
    @Rocha

    My comment simply cites Kevin Phillips’ thoughts on the origin and effects of financial capitalism generally, not usury specifically.

    He describes the sudden influx of gold and silver into Spain after centuries of, essentially, monetary equilibrium in Europe. That influx increased mercantile demand and wages which in turn gave rise to Spanish working and middle classes. As workers’ wages increased, Spanish capitalists began to look for greater returns on their investments — specifically lower wages for their productive enterprises and by use of financial instruments.

    By moving production to Amsterdam, Spanish capitalists engaged in wage arbitrage between high wage Spain and low wage Netherlands, pocketing the difference as additional profit. This is a form of financial capitalism.

    Because they had such great riches, looted from the Americas, which in turn greatly increased their economic power, Spanish doubloons became the reserve currency of Europe. However, after Spanish production began moving to Amsterdam, the Spanish economy withered, slowly, until the Netherlands became economically ascendant. And, at this point, the reserve currency switched to the Netherlands.

    And the process began all over again, next time moving to London…

    This is a quick and dirty reply, from memory, about Phillips’ thoughts on the rise and fall of productive economies and reserve currencies in Wealth and Democracy — it’s been years since I read it. If you’ve an argument with it, take it up with him.

  222. Spanky says:
    @Iris

    Thanks for the laugh, needed a bit of comic relief…

    Don’t get married to this “theory”, it’s about as credible as the official narrative…

    Only the opportunistic use of a built-in nuclear demolition feature, designed at the same time as the World Trade Center itself, is a technically viable explanation.https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696

    • Troll: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  223. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think there was 0% Trump actually authorized the biowarfare attack, so it was probably rogue elements of the Deep State Neocons in our national security apparatus.

    I know that the CIA is full of robotic Mormons, but is it really that easy to issue highly irregular orders that are above one’s pay grade to originate, and get them obeyed right down the line? The army chief point blank refused to permit the regular troops to be called out against the BLM riots. He got into a shouting match with Trump about it. Even though Soleimani had be under tight surveillance and was a designated target, when actually told to liquidate him the US officers asked to see the signed order.

    Why would an order to do something so egregious as attack China with a bioweapon be obeyed? It would be immediately obvious to any subordinate that it was an unlawful order without any normal assurance it even came from the chain of command. For all anyone knew it was a Russian spy ring inside the Deep State that was issuing an order to attack China. Thus it would be of no force, maybe a false flag conspiracy with the Russians pulling the strings, and his sworn duty was to report it; not doing so would be treason. Possible yes. “Probably ” entails being far from parsimonious with assumptions.

    Moreover, anyone executing what would be an act that might well precipitate a war with China that the Pentagon would have to fight, would know much too much to be left alive; it would be signing ones own death warrant to obey.

    Rogue elements of the Deep State might decide to do it and command ‘make it so’. But it the number of personnel would surly be approaching three figures and be down the chain of command. Some would hate their supervisor’s guts and be highly suspicious. There is a not inconsiderable principle– agent problem for a secret cabal, especially when the consequences of being caught would be extreme seriousness (being imprisoned and tortured for information) .

    Moreover, these rogue Neocon elements of the US Deep State are identical with the Israel Lobby Neocons? If not then those Neocons whose first loyalty is to Israel might have a problem with their milch cow doing things on its own account. The Deep State it for completely MAGA reasons that supposedly were their own reward. However, the vaccine industry massively profited from Covid-19 and they have the expertise to create it, so why would some inner cabal of the vaccination industry not be the most viable suspects?

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
  224. Jiminy says:
    @Priss Factor

    I don’t know why Morrison didn’t just tax the crap out of lifelog, and then reimburse the media companies for the use of their stories. Facebook, through creative accountancy and off-shore channeling, pay a lot less tax then they should be. But jew-boy Freidenburg would have known this. He’s probably got a position lined up with the company for when he leaves politics. This is how these verminous professionals operate.

  225. @Ron Unz

    I believe that Covid 19 is essentially a very simple con that is really just a broader application of the phony AIDS “epidemic” except the purported pathogen is different and rather than having a subgroup as the fictional target it has now been broadened to encompass the whole world. This is clear when we look at the overwhelming evidence as laid to by foremost scientific experts Peter Duesberg, leading authority on retro-viruses and the inventor of the fake Covid 19 test, Kary Mullis. Both of them destroyed any credibility that the medical charlatans such as Gallo or the criminal Fauci pretended to have.

    In fact variations of this medical scam have been used all the way back to then 1918 “Spanish flu” when the Rockefeller allopathic takeover of the medical schools was brought about and the whole false vaccine facade was being ramped up as detailed in the excellent book “Dissolving Illusions” by Nephrologist Suzanne Humphries. The technique used then (and now) is to take any symptom from a variety of causes (such as polio -about 9 different neurological causes) and develop a “vaccine” at which time (as they will do now using the fake PCR test) they then gradually stop reporting most of the actual symptoms and as a consequence the problem is cured. I recommend everyone to also check out videos by Forrest Maready including his videos and his book “The Autism Vaccine” and “Crooked.”

    This diabolical medical fraud is simple but the key to it is that the elite that are pushing this agenda must control most of the governments of any consequence, with operatives at all key government positions. They must also have almost complete control of the media and push their narrative while excluding everything else 24\7. They must control the Rockefeller founded CDC and Gates run WHO. No problem. They must control the medical establishment and have the power to sensor any member that does not comply and they must be in full cooperation with Big Pharma and are in fact making huge profits from this arm of the syndicate.

    [MORE]

    The Covid 19 fake virus has not been purified, isolated nor identified as all pathogens must be in order to be defined as a real disease. All real pathogens can be verified with the standard Koch’s Postulates test, Fake diseases cannot. If their was a laboratory origin to Covid 19 there would be none of this nonsense science fiction speculation but instead it would be a verifiable certainty. But of course the elite Zionists want the masses to remain confused with a profusion of conjecture and technical jargon instead of just using common sense.

    Your site has provided a much needed platform where everyone can look a this critical issue. Just as we find with all of the MSM official narratives such as the “moon landings”, global warming, 911, WMD’s, the “War On Terror” the staged “capital riots” and just about everything else, we are being Lied to by the elite parasites. People have now been propagandized for generations so that they are as superstitious about “germs and viruses” as primitive savages in the jungle or indeed those steeped in the ignorance of the dark ages. The sheep are now conditioned to believe that they need constant medical surveillance and directives from the “authorities” just to get by. And that is the intention of those like the eugenicist Bill Gates. The hyped up medical charlatan Louis Pasteur, on his death bed admitted that it was “the terrain, not the germ.” We know from his own diary that he was spiking his “pathogens” when given to demonstrate “the germ theory” with arsenic and mercury. We know that despite every attempt to infect volunteers with the “Spanish flu” that it could not be done. This massive medical conspiracy has now reached a new level of evil malevolence with the introduction of the mNRA chemotherapy injection. I have recently posted videos in this article that explain this premeditated disaster. Also Ron please release the thanks and agree buttons on my posts. I don’t know what the issue is but I think this situation should be corrected and I would appreciate your assistance in this regard.

    Best regards, Mark

    The pandemic pattern—how the illusion is built. By Jon Rappaport:
    This article is based on my study and investigation of so-called epidemics over the past 30 years.

    In the case of COVID-19, I’ve written at least one piece covering, in detail, each main element of the illusion. Here, I’m laying out the pattern. It is the same for each fake epidemic.

    ONE: Through many meetings, exercises, planning sessions, a structure is welded in place to promote and launch the IDEA of an epidemic. World Health Organization, CDC, influential public health officials attached to governments around the world, etc.

    TWO: There is a purported incident. An outbreak. The most obvious cause is intentionally overlooked. For example, horrendous air pollution, or the grotesque feces and urine pollution on a giant commercial pig factory-farm. Instead, the world is told a new virus has been found. Local researchers, if any, are augmented by researchers from CDC, WHO.

    THREE: There is no air-tight chain of evidence explaining exactly how the purported new virus was discovered. From details released, there is NO proof of discovery by convincing methods, no proper unified study of MANY supposed epidemic patients.

    FOUR: But WHO/CDC tells the world this is an epidemic in the making, caused by the new virus. The promotion and propaganda/media apparatus moves into high gear. Ominous pronouncements.

    FIVE: Diagnostic tests for the unproven new virus are rolled out. They spit out false “proof” of “infection” like coins from a jackpot slot machine. These false-positives are an inherent feature of the tests.

    SIX: Thus, all case numbers and death numbers, which are based on the tests, are rendered meaningless. And…they were already meaningless, because the supposed new virus “being tested for” was never properly discovered in the first place.

    SEVEN: Nevertheless, these tests (plus useless eyeball diagnosis) are used to build official reports on case numbers. For the duration of the “epidemic,” reports keep coming, and escalating numbers are trumpeted. Within the basically meaningless structure of these reports, there is fiddling with totals, to make them more impressive and frightening.

    EIGHT: Real people are really getting sick and dying, but for the most part, they are people who are dying from traditional and long-standing conditions—flu-like illness, pneumonia, other lung infections, etc. These people are “re-packaged” under the new epidemic label—e.g., “COVID”. The official description of the “new epidemic disease”—the clinical symptoms—is sufficiently general to easily allow this re-packaging.

    NINE: If there is new illness, it can be explained by causes having nothing to do with the purported new virus. For example, a toxic vaccine campaign. A highly destructive drug. Highly toxic pesticides.

    TEN: Over time, the definition of the epidemic is arbitrarily widened to include more symptoms and clinical features, in order to inflate case numbers.

    ELEVEN: Control of information about the “epidemic” is hardened at the top. The talking heads, from the press and public health agencies, know as much about actual science as rabbits know about drone strikes. But they are “in charge.” Dissident information is attacked and censored.

    TWELVE: Medical drugs and procedures (e.g., ventilators) used to treat patients are quite harmful. If a vaccine is rolled out, it, too, is toxic. Illness and death resulting from these and other medical attacks are counted as “epidemic cases caused by the virus.”

    THIRTEEN: ABOVE ALL OTHER ILLUSIONS, the main deception is: “the epidemic is one disease or syndrome caused by one germ.” This is sold with unceasing propaganda. Most people fall for it. They will even argue among themselves about which “it” is the single cause of the “it” disease. There is no “it” cause or disease.

    FOURTEEN: The public is sold lie after lie about contagion and the “spread” of the “it.”

    FIFTEEN: The public chants (as if no one has ever died before), “People are dying, it must be the virus.”

    SIXTEEN: The virus fairy tale always functions as a cover story for government or corporate or medical crimes. It obscures and hides these crimes. For example, a large factory is spewing horrendous pollution into the ground and water of an area, and people are getting sick and dying? Wait, the researchers say, the cause is actually a new virus no one has ever seen before.

    As I wrote at the outset of the COVID illusion, the only difference this time, in 2020, is the weight of the lies—because they led to the lockdowns and the economic devastation. This is West Nile, SARS, Swine Flu, Zika, writ large.

    Needless to say, the persons and groups responsible for launching these illusion-operations must hide their crimes.

    The criminals have their weapons, of course. Among their most powerful: control of the press, and arcane technical language which pretends to relevance. This language is so dense, the uninitiated stand no chance of penetrating it.

    For instance, researchers can babble for hours about their vaunted diagnostic test, the PCR. However, the simple truth is, the test has never been vetted. The test has never been tested in the real world outside the lab.

    I have written about this extensively. Using a little guideline called SCIENCE, you would “test the test” by lining up, say, a thousand patients, some healthy, some sick from a supposed virus. Any virus. Tissue samples would be taken from each patient.

    PCR mavens would run these samples through their equipment, reporting which patients show what they call high “viral load.”

    This means: these particular patients have millions and millions of virus actively replicating in their bodies, and they will be unmistakably and visibly sick.

    The PCR princes would then announce, “Patients 3,45,65,76,132…are all definitely sick.”

    Now we un-blind the study and see what’s what and who’s who. Are these designated patients ill or are they running marathons? That’s called simple scientific method. Not technical gobbledygook.

    This chunk of research has never been done. It never will be done. It’s too real. Too naked. Proponents of the PCR would have too much to lose, if their assessments of who are healthy and who are sick turned out to be absurdly wrong, and their arcane technical rhetoric about the PCR ended up being useless gibberish.

    I include this illustration to indicate there are, indeed, ways of exposing professional liars, if you change the venue on them, if you use common sense, if you stand outside their self-appointed temples of mystical pretense and observe what their lies look like when you boil them down to human terms…

    Here is another study of the PCR test that has never been done and never will be done, in the real world: line up a thousand patients, take tissues samples from them and send the samples to 40 different labs. Have the labs run their PCRs and announce their specific findings. Compare the results. You can bet the farm the labs will come up with contrary results.

    This is part of a pattern: keep “scientific details” close to the vest; keep them “in-house”; don’t permit large-scale independent studies that will either confirm or deny basic tenets of official research.

    COVID is a fraud from top to bottom. From beginning to end.

  226. Iris says:
    @Spanky

    Only the opportunistic use of a built-in nuclear demolition feature, designed at the same time as the World Trade Center itself, is a technically viable explanation. —

    Glad to read that descriptions of Civil Engineering features is all it takes to make you laugh: you must lead an exhilarating life.

    At construction, dozens of holes were drilled at approximately 21 metres depth into the Manhattan bedrock, in which piles were anchored to be used a supporting structure for the Twin Towers. It was not only easy, but also completely undetectable even by construction workers to drill one supplementary hole for future demolition use.

    Providing a demolition feature or method is a mandatory part of the planning application, prior to construction. Buildings only have a limited lifetime, approximately 100 years.

    When the Twin Towers’ application was made, New-York developers were in the middle of an engineering nightmare, trying to demolish an obsolete sky-scrappers called the Singer building. The process took 5 years and ended up with the Singer building being demolished by hand. There is no way the WTC application, based on pioneering civil engineering methods, would have been approved without prior proposed demolition feature.

    In the 1960’s, there was less awareness about radioactive fallout. Underground nuclear detonations were considered a suitable tool for large civil engineering projects. There existed hundreds of proposed applications, including a proposal to dig a second Panama Canal which was submitted to President Kennedy.

    The Twin Towers were each fitted with an underground chamber prepared during construction to fulfil legal demolition requirements. These features were known only to the few, including those with access to the construction detail (Head of Port Authority and lease-holder, who were both Zionist assets).

    The WTC was brought down by controlled nuclear demolition. The thermal calculations provide a proof so unassailable that any further discussion is pointless.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  227. @Mark Tapley

    60 Minutes Mike Wallace Exposes the 1976 Swine Flu Pandemic Vaccine Injuries

    MIKE WALLACE: The flu season is upon us. Which type will we worry about this year, and what kind of shots will we be told to take? Remember the swine flu scare of 1976? That was the year the U.S. government told us all that swine flu could turn out to be a killer that could spread across the nation, and Washington decided that every man, woman and child in the nation should get a shot to prevent a nation-wide outbreak, a pandemic.

    Well 46 million of us obediently took the shot, and now 4,000 Americans are claiming damages from Uncle Sam amounting to three and a half billion dollars because of what happened when they took that shot. By far the greatest number of the claims – two thirds of them are for neurological damage, or even death, allegedly triggered by the flu shot.

    We pick up the story back in 1976, when the threat posed by the swine flu virus seemed very real indeed.

    PRESIDENT GERALD FORD; This virus was the cause of a pandemic in 1918 and 1919 that resulted in over half a million deaths in the United States, as well as 20 million deaths around the world.

    WALLACE: Thus the U.S. government’s publicity machine was cranked into action to urge all America to protect itself against the swine flu menace. (Excerpt from TV commercial urging everyone to get a swine flu shot.) One of those who did roll up her sleeve was Judy Roberts. She was perfectly healthy, an active woman, when, in November of 1976, she took her shot. Two weeks later, she says, she began to feel a numbness starting up her legs.

    JUDY ROBERTS: And I joked about it at that time. I said I’ll be numb to the knees by Friday if this keeps up. By the following week, I was totally paralyzed.

    WALLACE: So completely paralyzed, in fact, that they had to operate on her to enable her to breathe. And for six months, Judy Roberts was a quadriplegic. The diagnosis: A neurological disorder called “Guillain-Barre Syndrome” – GBS for short. These neurological diseases are little understood. They affect people in different ways.

    • Replies: @Mark Tapley
  228. @durd

    Chemtrails have been sprayed in the skies of Montana for over 30 years by my own observation and all over the world as I have seen them sprayed in Europe when I was over there and have seen them in travel videos all over the world.

    Chemtrails contain nano particles of aluminum and barium and strontium and these particles are heated by HARRP microwave heaters all over the world to control weather by heating the atmosphere and moving storm fronts and hurricanes and tornadoes, and these particles are going into the air we breathe and the water we drink and the soil and plants and trees and are harming our health.

    Here are some sites that tell the truth about chemtrails , globalskywatch.com, stopthecrime.net, geoengineeringwatch.org, chemtrailplanet.com, checktheevidence.com, earthpulse.com, elanafreeland.com and her book Under an Ionized Sky, it can be had on amazon.

  229. annamaria says:
    @Majority of One

    Enjoy:

    the U.S. has more than 200 biological laboratories established worldwide and large-scale dangerous infectious diseases have been found around some of them. For example, the army lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland, which is the country’s largest biochemical weapons base, was shut down but the CDC refused to give any details on the grounds of “national security”. … What’s even more worrisome was that a vaping-related lung disease, the symptoms of which resemble those of COVID-19 pneumonia, broke out in a community just one hour’s drive away from the lab shortly after the lab was shut down. The timing and the location of the outbreak appear dubious, especially since e-cigarettes have been sold in the country since 2007.

    In March, many Americans signed a petition that asked the White House to disclose the real reason behind the closure after the CDC decided to reopen the Fort Detrick lab. They also wanted clarification about whether the lab was related to the novel coronavirus and if there had been a virus leak. Unsurprisingly, U.S. authorities and politicians have remained silent on the issue.

    the “queen” of the intelligence of the Dems, [the zionist] Avril Haines, was working at the top of the Central Intelligence Agency and of the National Security of the White House, before predicting, with exceptional prophetic talents, the pandemic for pathogen infectious, during a conference in 2018 and then during the suspected exercise on the simulated emergency for CoronaVirus on October 2019 in New York.

    And, unsurprisingly, this: "Dark Winter Ft Detrick MD BioLab COVID-19 CIA ARMY DOD Event 201 & Crimson Contagion, Mass #Surveillance HHS Biodefense"

    Other major players in Dark Winter are now key drivers behind the “biodefense” mass surveillance programs currently being promoted as a technological solution to Covid-19’s spread, despite evidence that such programs actually worsen pandemic outbreaks. Others still have close connections to the insider trading that recently occurred among a select group of U.S. Senators regarding the economic impact of Covid-19 and are set to personally profit from lucrative contracts to develop not just one, but the majority, of experimental Covid-19 treatments and vaccines currently under development by U.S. companies.

  230. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    Covid can be cured by boiling the patient for twenty minutes.

  231. @Sean

    Actually there is a trade-off between transmissibility and lethality. Anything that scores too high on both counts quickly eradicates its hosts and disappears. This has happened so many times at so many levels in the history of life that all life forms, even viruses, “know” not to do this, just like they “know” not to engage in psychopathic no-holds-barred neo-Darwinian competition, “win” (gobble up all available energy) and destroy their ecosystem and themselves along with it. That’s why aging and sexual reproduction are so widespread. (Personally I give the Designer some credit for this meezan or miraculous balance, but evolutionary scientists like Josh Mittledorf think it can be explained in purely evolutionary terms.) https://www.patreon.com/posts/38692917

    Along the same lines, highly lethal viruses generally mutate to become less lethal and eventually endemic. If they hit hosts too hard, the hosts die or withdraw from social circulation, which is bad for the virus.

    The trade-off for bioweaponeers is that highly lethal pathogens tend to hit hard and fast, making it easy to isolate victims and eradicate the outbreak before it spreads. A .5% lethal pathogen like COVID-19, because it is relatively mild, can sneak into the population through asymptomatic transmission, making it extremely difficult to eradicate.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Sean
  232. @Ben the Layabout

    “I don’t buy the biowarfare conspiracy. Of course, it isn’t impossible. But any instigator would have to assume, if he had any rationality, that the disease could not be confined to the target areas.” There are two answers to this objection.

    First, Ron Unz says the perps (aggressive elements of the National Security State) are irrational and incompetent. They might have miscalculated based on the success of earlier US attacks destroying China’s meat supplies, or the “success” of SARS being contained in Asia.

    But let’s imagine the COVID perps were of two species, just like the American and Israeli 9/11 perps. One group, the less-bright and less-well-informed team, namely the “Americans,” thought it was just an escalation of the ongoing US deniable biowar on China and would be contained.

    The other, better-informed group, knew, suspected, and/or hoped it would go global and do everything it has done. The benefits they hoped for, and have gotten, include: Over $7 trillion to themselves, their friends, and their class; rollback of civil liberties in service to the National Security Surveillance State; “building back better” by dumping legacy technologies in favor of the Internet of Things AI panopticon that will help the West keep up with China; widespread hatred of China that can be weaponized any time, to any degree; a culling of the hugely expensive old/sick element of the population, saving billions if not trillions in health care costs over the long term, and partially fixing the “inverted age pyramid problem” that is the West’s biggest albatross hindering its attempts to keep up with Chinese economic growth; a likely virus-induced and/or vaccine-induced reduction in fertility in service to the global depopulation agenda https://www.patreon.com/posts/46142817 ; and of course an excuse to crush dissidents (“conspiracy theorists”) by labeling us “a threat to public health.”

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  233. Spanky says:
    @Iris

    Look, I’m trying not to be dismissive or insulting but what, exactly, are your qualifications to evaluate the statements and arguments supporting this “theory”?

    I’ll wait…

    Point is, there are no “micro” nuclear devices small enough to only take down the twin towers, into their footprint, without substantial collateral damage. Any nuclear detonation a “few dozen meters” below ground level would have done far more than level the entire site… There would have been no need for the building owner to call out “pull it” to take down WTC 7. Damage to the surrounding area would have been extensive, especially in bedrock which would amplify the shockwave.

    If you want to discover the facts of the matter, take groundwater and soil samples from around the WTC site. If there was a nuclear blast, plenty of radioactive isotopes will be detectable for the next few thousands of years.

    Take a look at seismographs from 9/11 to see if there were any nuclear blast induced tremors centered on lower Manhattan — they’ll be easy to spot. Hell, the Navy’s SOSUS North Atlantic networks would have easily picked it up…

    Moreover, during the 1960s there was a great deal of awareness about fallout and especially that ground or shallow subsurface bursts cause a great deal more airborne contamination than air bursts because a much larger volume of material is irradiated and thrown up into the atmosphere. This is why no civil engineering projects used nuclear detonations to displace material at or near the surface.

    The Twin Towers were each fitted with an underground chamber prepared during construction to fulfil legal demolition requirements. These features were known only to the few, including those with access to the construction detail… — Iris

    So, the obvious question is, how do you know all about these super-secret construction details known only to the few?

    The WTC was brought down by controlled nuclear demolition. The thermal calculations provide a proof so unassailable that any further discussion is pointless. — Iris

    So let us see your thermal calculations…

    You have no direct evidence and that evidence, as outlined above, would be conclusive. No residual radiation on site in the soil or groundwater. No blast evidence (i.e.: shockwave) on seismographs or on video during the towers collapse. No collateral damage to buildings, subsurface structures (for example, collapsed subway tunnels) or utilities (water, sewer and power — no EMP effects) in the surrounding area.

    Hell, simply watch the videos — the demo charge detonations are easy to see. The towers do not collapse from the bottom up, but from the top down. You are asking us to literally disbelieve video evidence, from many perspectives, we can see with our own eyes. What of firefighters’ reports of multiple explosions near ground level and below immediately prior to the collapse?

    Glad to read that descriptions of Civil Engineering features is all it takes to make you laugh: you must lead an exhilarating life. — Iris

    Life does have its moments.

    While I think the three WTC buildings were not destroyed by the impact of two airliners and subsequent kerosene fires, you provide no actual evidence to support a conclusion that a nuclear detonation(s) caused their destruction.

    If you have actual evidence, present it, not bullshit statements: “thermal calculations provide a proof so unassailable that any further discussion is pointless.”

  234. @Iris

    My dear!
    Please stop this nonsense. You have no clue about statics an dynamics.
    Failure patterns of the towers is totally inconsistent with demolition of base support.
    Only building seven is consistent with demolition of base support. And even there the explosives were put at root of the columns.

    And here is totally simplistic denial explanation that even you will understand..

    The nuclear explosives were placed several dozen meters underground in a chamber part of the foundations. Such technique was largely experimented in natural soil in the 1960’s and is widely documented to the day in the CTBTO official information; just Google it or browse the article I posted.

    If this wold be true than there would remain large craters (holes) around the footprint of the buildings. And even more convincing would be huge amount of dark cloud of earth moving away from buildings.

    Also what you would not understand that all building would have been lifted up practically intact than would fall down on the side with practically little damage.

    So please stop it! You are making fool of yourself.

    • LOL: Iris
  235. @Timur The Lame

    Don’t you dare challenge me on matters of English usage, you philistine.

    I mean “write standard English.”

    What kind of idiot thinks “write” is solely an intransitive verb? You of course don’t know what I’m talking about. But you think you are smarter than me. Which is the call and watchword of fatuousness.

    Btw, it’s “the Queen’s English,” fatuous foolish fool.

    Just believe me. If there is anything I am more qualified to judge than you, it is English usage. And your original post was sub-standard. Just believe me. I know whereof I speak. You don’t.

  236. @Peripatetic Itch

    What was? Pronoun reference problem on your part.

    If you think Timur the Lame’s lame, irrelevant, off-topic diversionary remark was some kind of “insult”, that somehow, without being either funny or insightful, “cuts down to size” some imaginary thing you see that isn’t there, then get a horse and go back to school, you pompous, fatuous, pretentious, un-self-aware, inadvertently funny cluck.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  237. Sean says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    The trade-off for bioweaponeers is that highly lethal pathogens tend to hit hard and fast, making it easy to isolate victims and eradicate the outbreak before it spreads. A .5% lethal pathogen like COVID-19, because it is relatively mild, can sneak into the population through asymptomatic transmission, making it extremely difficult to eradicate.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

    In 1918 there was an influenza pandemic in which in the original wave was relatively mild. Clearly, the massive increase in virulence that the second wave exhibited compared to the first wave of the same disease a few months before was due to constraints on lethality and symptomatic transmission being absent, thereby creating circumstances favorable to the evolution of a strain with increased virulence.

  238. @durd

    The engineers who installed the spraying equipment into commercial jets exposed chem-trailing years ago in Germany.

    Those who ridicule this believe in magic bullets and Santa Claus. Perhaps they should seek the safety of trusted news at CNN?

  239. @Spanky

    I’m not qualified to support any theory, but maybe you would be interested in the following article by someone who is more qualified than I am:

    What is basic physics worth?
    François Roby
    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696v3/document

    Also related:
    Epistemic Injustice — The Case of François Roby and 9/11 Research
    Mourad Dahami
    http://archive.is/GEkXj

    Roby does not support the hypothesis of “micro” (or “miniaturized”, as he words it) nuclear devices, but rather of big ones, placed underground. Incidentally, I do not know where you are quoting that word from.

  240. @obwandiyag

    If you think Timur the Lame’s lame, irrelevant, off-topic diversionary remark was some kind of “insult”…

    A little triggered, are we? You replied to him as if you thought his comment was an insult, using the appellation of moronic. Then he further replied to you with this, as if to apologize for the perceived offense:

    My best guess is you are someone who enjoys masturbating with his own poppycock.

    And now you come out with what could best be characterized as masturbatory cum:

    pompous, fatuous, pretentious, un-self-aware, inadvertently funny cluck.

    Do excuse the presumption, but if you would care to give me your location, I could have one of my many contacts refer you to a specialist in premature ejaculation. Or Covid-19 sexual hygiene.

  241. anonymous[619] • Disclaimer says:

    And lest we forget, SARS-COV-2 is CIA germ warfare, developed in breach of the BWC and used in breach of the 1925 Geneva convention. Here’s CIA running through step 3 of its strategy-of-tension template: ominous foreshadowing cum gaming it out

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340236453_The_Event_201

    Avril Haines was CIA’s point person, and killing half a million Americans got her the DNI job.

  242. @Rocha

    I don’t doubt that the roots go deep, in fact, if we accept Barberio’s thesis on Flavius Josephus then the roots begin at the end of the Jewish Wars when the Flavians came to an arrangement with the Jewish traitor and his 200+ entourage.
    Setting this aside, the French Revolution mark’s the real beginning of the modern era as the first colour revolution. Prior to this event and the Reign of Terror, large stocks of crops were bought up and destroyed: how else to get the sans-culottes desperate enough to be the shock troops of the ‘revolution? Crop failures are helpful.
    We are going to see the same dynamics in modern America: rural food failures and urban radicalization.
    Neither events are organic. The end of monarchy and the rise of democracy has been nothing but a con by schemers and useful idiots. We were better off with God and a King than we are now with front men and puppet masters. We need to either destroy usury or institute debt jubilees. The alternative is to continually end up with feudalism and wide-spread dissatisfaction.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  243. Iris says:
    @Spanky

    If you have actual evidence, present it, not bullshit statements: “thermal calculations provide a proof so unassailable that any further discussion is pointless.”

    You really sound like a facetious troll, so you may want to change your discussion approach, in the unlikely case you really are interested in 9/11.

    In the comment you replied to, I posted the link to a 62-pages Physics article which replies in great detail to all your “questions”. Take the pain to browse it.

    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696

    The heat released by the WTC was assessed based on the aerial thermographic images of the WTC footprint, and using the well-established, century-old equations of heat transfer by free convection.

    This calculation was only a low estimate, as heat transfer also occurs at the same time by other means, forced convection, radiation and conduction, but there is no way to assess how much energy was transferred through these latter processes.

    This low estimate nevertheless returned a value of 10^15 Joules, or 10 Peta Joules, a value so stratospherically high that it is in the same order of magnitude than the monthly production of a 900 MVA nuclear reactor.

    Such an amount of energy can be delivered, either by an astronomical 100,000 metric tons of chemical energy carriers (kerosene, coal, thermite, nanothermite, etc..), or by only 10 metric tons of nuclear fuel.
    There was nowhere to hide 100, 000 metric tons of conventional chemical fuel in the WTC basement: that would have represented the volume of around 1000 train freight wagons. Ergo, nuclear fuel was used.

    The Physics principles this proof is based upon are taught in 2nd and 3rd year of Physics and Engineering curricula. Anybody with basic STEM higher education can understand it in 2 minutes.

    The perpetrators of 9/11 were criminal, but stupid. In their hubris, they overlooked the physical consequences of the underground nuclear explosions that brought down all 3 buildings.
    They let infrared thermographic images be leaked to the public, which when correctly interpreted by competent Physicists, revealed and unambiguously proved the nuclear demolition of the WTC.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  244. Sparkon says:
    @Spanky

    I think I agree with most of what you said here, except this part:

    …. take down the twin towers, into their footprint.

    The Twin Towers did not fall, collapse, or get taken down into or onto their own footprints.

    None of the photos taken in the aftermath of 9/11 shows any substantial debris heaps over the spots where WTC 1 and WTC 2 had stood, but the photos do show substantial damage to surrounding properties from structural material that was ejected laterally from the Twins, such as the World Financial Center and the Winter Garden Atrium, shown here:

    Note the great number of the so-called “chex” sections, or prefabricated external box columns lying all around the WGA. Also damaged by ejected structural material on 9/11 was the Deutsche Bank Building across the street from WTC 2. This building was condemned because of what was described as contamination with toxic dust and was later laboriously dismantled between 2007 and 2011.

    Photo: Michael Rieger, Sept. 21, 2001

    Building 7 did collapse more or less into its own footprint, and left a debris heap there, but not without inflicting serious damage on both the neighboring Art Deco Verizon Building to the tune of $1.4 billion, and also Fiterman Hall, which was eventually condemned and demolished in 2008.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Spanky
  245. @Sean

    The Agency has been a fiefdom of the Rottenfeller Crime Clan since its inception in 1947. It became the province of Allen Dulles, who had worked in the Cromwell & Associates law firm, whose primary client were those self-same Rottenfellers. Dulles, who had earlier been fired by him, did most of the arrangements for 11-22-63—Dallas.

    Dulles’ rep in Dallas was none other than Skull n’Bonesnik Daddy WarBu$h, who had been with the Agency again, basically since its inception and Dulles’ major recruitment of Yalies, particularly those who hang out in the building donated by the Russell Trust. Later, Bu$h served as Director of the Agency and their HQ as well as the largest and bestest U$ aircraft carrier bears his name. Rewards for $ervice to the Deep $tate can be quite generous.

    You cite “Chain of Command”. You best but better believe that it works like a stepladder up the bureaucratic scrotum-pole. Go “off message” and your career drops into a downward spiral. So there are essentially no rogue agents in the Agency. Both pension and life could get endangered that way. A former Director of the CIA, who spilled a few things, was found bloated and floating in the Potomac.

    • Replies: @Sean
  246. An old German lady posed the Question: If (thanks to revisionists) Auschwitz death toll now reduced from 4Million to One million (or less) Thenwhy is official number still=6 million. And where and when were these millions killed?
    For asking these questions the intelligent, and still pretty old lady was jailed.
    What ! For merely asking a question, which is not permitted to be asked by the Goyim scum, of their Jewish supremacists/ overlords.
    Some answers might include:
    Where are the mounds of coal/ coke for the Furnaces on published Aerial
    film of the camps. ?
    Finkelstein suggests that his relatives were exterminated by Nazis. Yet no evidence. While aerial photos=please see- show the area of the work camp, cratered with Allied bombs. Q= Were these US/ UK bombs , in 1939-’45 know not to blast Jewish people to bits, along with the Goy?

  247. Iris says:
    @Sparkon

    The pile of debris of all of the 3 WTC buildings was not abnormally low; it was actually totally inexistent. Unless you are going to pretend that all the debris, for all 3 towers, was projected sideways? Yet another 9/11 “scientific miracle”?

    Below is an example of what happens in the real life versus what allegedly takes place in the MSM and Deep State parallel universe.

    When the 17-storey Tehran Plasco building collapsed, after a fire aggravated by decades-long rogue modifications and violations of safety regulations, it left a pile of debris of approximately 4 storeys, around 23% of the building’s initial height.

    When the 110-storey North Tower collapsed, and despite it was of a more modern design, made of much more solid structural steel, it left a pile of debris not even as high as 1 storey, so not even 1% of its initial height. Compare with the ambulance’s height in the picture:

    Actually, the 3 buildings, instead of leaving pile of debris, on the contrary left gaping holes.
    This was later proven by the 3-D LIDAR topographic survey which showed negative elevations (footprint below ground level) where the building used to stand.

    The buildings’ footprints dropping below ground level is an obvious and straightforward evidence that all 3 buildings were demolished at basement level, and not by imaginary “planes”.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Jiminy
  248. @Ron Unz

    Ron, do you believe whatever the Zionist Defense Intelligent Agency says? The elite are promoting the fake virus with their fake test (if it was real they wouldn’t need a fake test would they). Gates 201 pre pandemic and our shabbos goy sinecures in the senate had their closed door meeting then tipped off their big donors about the sprining of the fake virus that also provided a good cover for the banking cartel’s latest theft for their cronies on Wall St. Just a coincidence huh Ron?

    I have posted information on the Big Swine flu “epidemic.” It was all a fake just like this one as well as the catastrophic phony AIDS “epidemic.” Remember that one? I seem to remember Fauci was running that one for the criminal CDC as well. Do you really believe the Chinese and their reports from Wuhan. This huge city has the worlds worst air pollution. Over 100,000 people die of pneumonia in China every year. The Chinese scientists admit that they also have not purified, isolated nor identified the so called covid 19. The victims had respiratory problems so it was reported as covid.

    If this terrible “virus” is striking down so many world wide why have the Rockefeller CDC and the Bill Gates WHO not performed the standard Koch’s Postulate test as with all other REAL pathogens. The MSM has used all of the usual tactics to portray this false flag as real, including fake medical tents in Central Park, “overflowing” empty hospitals as well as big payoffs to the medical racket for listing everything as covid. All of these red flags are about as obvious as you can get. One last thing. Anyone that is pushing the covid hoax is also encouraging people to get the mRNA chemotherapy injection. That alone is reason to be very suspicious of this long planned Zionist initiative.

    • Disagree: lavoisier
    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
  249. @Schuetze

    I would be pleased to see Ron become very wealthy by licensing his superb commentary siteware, which beats, hands down, any other such siteware anywhere. Maybe he would become a billionaire by doing so.

    • Agree: Schuetze
  250. Sean says:
    @Majority of One

    Deciding that a US presence on their borders could not be tolerated, a huge Chinses army surprised and steamrollered US troops led by MacArthur in the Korean War when China had no nuclear weapons at all. What is being suggested by Barrett would be a flagrant act of war against a nuclear ICBM armed superpower of over a billion people. Moreover, the putative attack used a bioweapon made from bat viruses which the Chinese have the world authority on; all in all extremely likely to result in the Chinese government realizing what had happened. And CIA or anyone else in America has away of controlling what Xi does.

    I really cannot understand why anyone could imagine the Chinese leadership would do nothing on becoming aware of a cabal in the US Deep State beyond the control of the White House had used a bioweapon of mass murder on the Chinese population. Firstly, Xi’s minions would be screaming publicly and naming the members of such a cabal; exposing them to view while demanding the members be removed from influence, Secondly, China would taking strong punitive measures such as sinking a US aircraft carrier in the South China Sea.

    That neither of these things would happen would be a long shot. China was the main force in the Korean War and Vietnam too; they are not scared to fight the US. The CCP government of China would not just sit quietly and wait to see what the crazy American rogue Deep State cabal’s next attack on China would be, of that I am quite certain. You would see the Chinese do something to show they meant business, and demand certain Deep State people were removed from all authority. The bioweapon attack on China if it had affected China badly might well see them decide to go out shooting. It would be too risky, China isn’t Iran.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Majority of One
  251. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    The pile of debris of all of the 3 WTC buildings was not abnormally low; it was actually totally inexistent.

    No. The demolition of WTC Bldg. 7 left a debris heap more or less in its footprint, but also did extensive damage to neighboring structures, so it was a sloppy affair, as was the demolitions of the Twins, which showered debris and dust all over the neighborhood.

    You choose to close your eyes to evidence that doesn’t fit your theory, but as I said, there was a substantial debris heap more or less in the footprint of Bldg. 7.

    Photo: Dr. Judy Wood



    Caption: In this Sept. 18, 2001, photo, a crane looms over the smoldering wreckage of World Trade Center building 7 in New York. (File Associated Press / The Spokesman-Review)

    None of the post-9/11 WTC imagery shows the kind of massive crater we’ve come to expect in the aftermath of an underground nuclear detonation. Instead, the entire WTC site looks like it was pretty much sheered off at ground level, with a few things poking up here and there, most bizarrely two similar sections containing the trademark ground level arches from WTC 1 and WTC 2.

    Without craters, you’ve got no case for nukes in the basement, and in any event, the destruction of the Twins starts at the top and works its way down for both buildings, assuming that the videos of those events are faithful and unaltered.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  252. anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Sean is quite certain. There’s nothing bignose Sean won’t bullshit about, 对 不对

    ?

    How many provinces have you worked in, Sean? Have you ever dealt with the secret police there? When you eat a pigeon, who gets the head, who gets the butt? Do you know why they hang Mao from the rear-view mirror?

    Typical immaterial beltway ignoramus.

    • Replies: @Sean
  253. Franz says:
    @Lucy Lipinska

    I actually would claim that we, the Polish “yokels”, had it harder at the University than the (((people of the book))).

    This is truly odd. My wife is Polish-German (in USA) and had the same issues… I mean, here.

    It’s why essentially Wiki is part of the rising global police apparatus and I treat it that way. For some reason people think I’m nuts for doing so but the proof is now open to anyone who wants to see.

    The most cunning trap, ever, was making the Internet seem cheap, easy, and apparently honoring “freedom of speech” from the start. A trap for the ages!

  254. Spanky says:
    @Sparkon

    Was using hyperbole…

    The destructive radius for a low yield nuclear device would have reached far beyond the boundaries of the WTC site.

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  255. Iris says:
    @Sparkon

    None of the post-9/11 WTC imagery shows the kind of massive crater we’ve come to expect in the aftermath of an underground nuclear detonation.

    The only crater is the one found between the two ears of the handful of people who cannot understand a simple phenomenon that was otherwise conclusively discussed d0zens of times over on the UR 9/11 threads.

    There is no “deep crater” to be expected; this outcome depends on the nature of the soil (hard or soft, granitic or sand) and on the depth of burial of the nuclear charge. Both parameters would have been deliberately calculated by the WTC design engineers to minimise radioactive fallout at demolition, resulting in a minimal subsidence crater similar to the one in Figure f:

    I appreciate that people cannot read nowadays, and any reasoning involving over two sentences becomes a challenge.
    This extremely short and simple video only lasts over a minute; it that should be easy enough to watch and understand what happened at the WTC, even for those with the shortest attention span.

    The thermal energy released by the WTC after it was attacked was in the order of the monthly production of a 900 Megawatt nuclear reactor; this is the unassailable proof of controlled demolition by underground nuclear charges.

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  256. Anonymice says:

    If the perpetrators are eventually prosecuted for war crimes, the global bioweapons complex shuttered, and humanity saved, I will be glad to accept some of the credit.

    I have stopped holding my breath for war crimes indictments for the creators of HIV, still chuckling while having watched millions die and pharmaceutical companies rake in trillions of dollars from the AIDS industry.

  257. Jiminy says:
    @Iris

    The Tehran building looks like it twisted and distorted from the heat. Maybe a severe and prolonged fire took hold. If you ever work with oxy-acetylene then you will see that you can have flames of differing temperatures. You can make a well oxygenated blue flame, or a sooty, dirty cold flame. One will melt metal, the other won’t.
    The Iranian building may not have been as an elaborately designed building as the twin towers were. Don’t forget that the twin towers design was built around a massive central spine or core that projected upwards from down low to the the very top. It was so much like a huge redwood, only man made.
    That they managed to drop a building of that size into the area that they had, really was quite a feat. Also weren’t there shops and a train station underneath the building. So there already existed massive voids down low for how many levels, I don’t know. The pile of rubble from the towers appears that the buildings were indeed cut down into manageable pieces, meaning I don’t think the thermite charges were placed haphazardly. Then as the building fell the welded joints or the metal adjacent to the weld, would tear thus leaving these now well recognised dagger like structures projecting upwards through the trash.
    Evidence of thermite was found in numerous sites. It was tested and shown to be explosive. Why use nuclear bombs when you can use a cheaper product such as thermite, knowing full well that it will be up to the task? Why aren’t people walking around the site now with geiger counters picking up readings that show us what type of explosives were used? And as well, it has been shown that thermite can easily cut steel.
    When you think of the whole affair as being the demolition of asbestos riddled buildings, then it was a huge success. It achieved the objective and then more.

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  258. @dindunuffins

    Vaccines have always been a scam. As far viruses this is mostly theoretical. A scientist in Germany bet anyone 100,000 euros to prove there was a measles virus. This went all the way to the German Supreme Court in which he won the case. He alleges that the particles that are visible from the Electron micro. photos are merely broken proteins or cellular debris. That is why it is ludicrous for all of those here posting comments about Wuhan and lab generated viruses. If Covid 19 was a manufactured pathogen it could be identified using the Koch’s Postulates. You could also take say a hundred people and demonstrate that these people all have the same disease while looking at a hundred controls and determining these do not have this illness.

    [MORE]

    The Zionists are using this medical fraud condition the goyim to give up their rights over what is just a fake virus with a fake test supported by fake numbers. It is also known that people who have been getting the standard flu shots are more liable to get the flu and it is known that NON-vaccinated children are not only healthier but have less all cause mortality for life. The new mRNA injection has been tried for years and has never worked and is known to cause latent gene mutations that are harmful to be activated as with the recent death of the doctor in Florida and this chemotherapy injection can also create a “back door” auto-immune problem that makes subsequent infections much more likely and severe. Reporter Jon Rappaport with more own the fake Swine flu virus:

    I take you back to the summer of 2009, when the CDC and the World Health Organization were hyping the “deadly H1N1 Swine Flu pandemic.”

    They were, of course, also urging people to take the new Swine Flu vaccine. On that subject, here is an excerpt from Robert Kennedy Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense (3/27/20):

    “For example, [Dr. Anthony] Fauci once shilled for the fast-tracked H1N1 influenza (‘swine flu’) vaccine on YouTube, reassuring viewers in 2009 that serious adverse events were ‘very, very, very rare.’ Shortly thereafter, the vaccine went on to wreak havoc in multiple countries, increasing miscarriage risks in pregnant women in the U.S., provoking a spike in adolescent narcolepsy in Scandinavia and causing febrile convulsions in one in every 110 vaccinated children in Australia—prompting the latter to suspend its influenza vaccination program in under-fives.”

    Thank you. Dr. Fauci. Explain to us why you haven’t been downgraded to pumping gas in Death Valley or sent to prison?

    However, that is only half the Swine Flu story. The other half—which involves an astounding hoax—was surely something Fauci was aware of at the time.

    Fauci was, in fact, recommending a highly dangerous vaccine for protection against AN EPIDEMIC THAT DIDN’T EXIST AT ALL.

    His friends and professional colleagues at the CDC were creating the hoax.

    Let me run it down for you.

    In the summer of 2009, the CDC was claiming there were thousands of Swine Flu cases in the US. But behind these statistics lay an unnerving secret. A major crime, considering the CDC’s mandate to report the truth to the American people:

    Secretly, the CDC had stopped counting cases of Swine Flu.

    What? Why?

    CBS investigative reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, discovered the CDC secret; and she found out why.

    The routine lab testing of tissue samples from the most likely Swine Flu patients was coming back, in the overwhelming percentage of cases, with: NO SIGN OF SWINE FLU OR ANY OTHER KIND OF FLU.

    Attkisson wrote an article about this scandal, and it was published on the CBS News website. However, the next, bigger step—putting out the story on CBS television news—was waylaid. No deal. And CBS shut down any future investigation on the subject. Attkisson’s article died on the vine. No other major news outlet in the world picked up her article and ran with it deeper into the rabbit hole.

    Here is what Attkisson told me when I interviewed her:

    Rappoport: In 2009, you spearheaded coverage of the so-called Swine Flu pandemic. You discovered that, in the summer of 2009, the Centers for Disease Control, ignoring their federal mandate, [secretly] stopped counting Swine Flu cases in America. Yet they continued to stir up fear about the “pandemic,” without having any real measure of its impact. Wasn’t that another investigation of yours that was shut down? Wasn’t there more to find out?

    Attkisson: The implications of the story were even worse than that. We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all! The interest in the story from one [CBS] executive was very enthusiastic. He said it was “the most original story” he’d seen on the whole Swine Flu epidemic. But others pushed to stop it [after it was published on the CBS News website] and, in the end, no [CBS television news] broadcast wanted to touch it. We aired numerous stories pumping up the idea of an epidemic, but not the one that would shed original, new light on all the hype. It was fair, accurate, legally approved and a heck of a story. With the CDC keeping the true Swine Flu stats secret, it meant that many in the public took and gave their children an experimental vaccine that may not have been necessary.

    —end of interview excerpt—

    So…fake pandemic, CDC crimes, and a damaging vaccine.

    But that wasn’t end of it. The CDC wanted to commit another crime. About three weeks after Attkisson’s findings were published on the CBS News website, the CDC, obviously in a panic, decided to double down. If one lie is exposed, tell an even bigger one. A much bigger one.

    Here, from a November 12, 2009, WebMD article is the CDC’s response: “Shockingly, 14 million to 34 million U.S. residents – the CDC’s best guess is 22 million – came down with H1N1 swine flu by Oct. 17 [2009].” (“22 million cases of Swine Flu in US,” by Daniel J. DeNoon).

    Are your eyeballs popping? They should be.

    Fast forward to 2020. Who in his right mind, armed with a little history, would believe anything the CDC is saying about COVID-19? The discovery of a new coronavirus. the case numbers, the accuracy of the diagnostic tests, the need for lockdowns and economic devastation, the safety and importance of a vaccine, the fear porn? Who would believe any of it?

    And who would believe anything coming out of the mouth of Dr. Anthony Fauci, who hyped a highly destructive Swine Flu vaccine for an epidemic that didn’t exist at all?


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  259. Spanky says:
    @Iris

    While composing a detailed reply, and almost ready to post, I fat-fingered it into oblivion. My bad.

    But I doubt it would have swayed you, since you’ve already jumped to a conclusion, and seem to have a vested interest in this theory being right. Suffice it to say, you provide no actual evidence of a low yield nuclear device detonating sub-surface at the WTC site.

    If you can bring evidence of such a detonation, other than a speculative calculation of heat released, which you yourself did not perform and for which you provide neither base assumptions, nor measurement protocols, nor raw data, I would be willing to evaluate it.

    What I will note is that the figure you give for the heat released from the WTC site, 10^15 Joules, or 10 Peta Joules, would have made it impossible for humans to approach, much less work in and around the site, in the immediate aftermath. The time period over which a heat load of that magnitude is released is an important factor.

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  260. Gulnare says:
    @Theophrastus

    It seems that the Iranians who took part in the war against Iraq (and became for some members of the government) were weakened at the respiratory level by the combat gases. This would explain their vulnerability to a special, acute form of the bio-weapon coronavirus.

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  261. denk says:

    Chinese sources have alleged that bird flu and swine flu were deliberately spread throughout China by US military agents in order to deprive China of its main sources of meat.

    FUKUS MO…
    Punish the populace, hoping they’d rise up to topple their own government who refuse to kowtow to Washington.
    NATO/USAF targets vital infrastructure like power stations, water plants, sewerage plants, hospitals, these have all been well documented , in Belgrade, Iraq, Afpak, Libya…..
    Less mentioned is the attack on food chains.

    Exhibit Yemen…

    When people hear the word “famine” they usually think of mass hunger caused by droughts or other naturally occurring phenomena, but in reality the starvation deaths we are seeing in Yemen (a huge percentage of which are children under the age of five) are caused by something that is no more natural than the starvation deaths you’d see in a medieval siege. They are the result of the Saudi coalition’s use of blockades and its deliberate targeting of farms, fishing boats, marketplaces, food storage sites, and cholera treatment centers with airstrikes aimed at making the Houthi-controlled parts of Yemen so weak and miserable that they break.

    In other words, the US and its allies have been helping Saudi Arabia deliberately kill children and other civilians on mass scale in order to achieve a political goal. Which would of course be a perfect example of any standard definition of terrorism. The unfathomably savage and bloodthirsty US empire designating the Houthis as a terrorist organization is the least funny joke that has ever been told.

    https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/01/12/fyi-trumps-latest-yemen-move-is-far-worse-than-the-capitol-riot/

    FUKUS…EVIL IMPERSONIFED.

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  262. @Mark Tapley

    I see nothing in your theory that is beyond the capabilities or propensities of the PTB. There were suggestions that hospitals were coercing patients to go on ventilators and then ramping up the pressure enough to kill them. Once they were on the machine, they were sedated enough and restrained enough to be quite helpless.

    Similar suggestions have been made that HCQ was given in toxic doses. That would indeed be ironic. Were we played in getting us to demand the drug but not letting us have it until we were admitted to the ICU and unlikely to ask what was in the many pills they would be giving out?

    The nurses and doctors that made these suggestions and the videos they made are even now being scrubbed from the internet. Hope people like you are archiving them.

    Wuhan and the north of Italy are areas with highly serious air pollution. Some indications are they were subject to extensive vaccinations for influenza as well. The initial panic in the rest of the world was pretty much fueled by those two areas by themselves. It seemed to be almost self-generating after that. These days four of five people I pass out of doors are wearing masks out of abject fear, I think.

    Excellent post. Not at all impossible.

  263. Gulnare says:
    @Iris

    “during peace time” ?

    There is never peace for psychopaths who are perpetually at war with humanity.

    • Agree: Iris
  264. @Kevin Barrett

    Not to mention the possibility of fixing the American election, with all those mail-in ballots and elimination of ID requirements.

    It appears both the disease and the vaccines could possibly affect fertility. Ovaries and testes both derive from the same embryonic tissue and both are well populated with ACE2 receptors, the point of attachment of the virus. Testes have now been shown to be damaged by Covid-19, so it’s likely we will soon see reports of the same for ovaries. They are just more difficult to access by biopsy.

    Similarly both male and female gametes have the syncytin-1 protein, which seems to be required in their fusion into an egg. The egg also uses syncytin to fuse to the placenta. Syncytin is similar enough to the spike protein on the virus that antibodies to the one induced by some vaccines may attack the other.

  265. @Spanky

    Damage to the surrounding area would have been extensive, especially in bedrock which would amplify the shockwave.

    Not really. A nuclear blast is electromagnetic energy. It will be channeled pretty much directly upward by the channel drilled in the bedrock. Iris suggests these were drilled on construction, but a similar channel drilled downwards from the bottom of the main elevator shaft would do as well.

    The upward channeled blast wave would act much like a flashlight beam, gradually diverging as it progressed upward. Destroying the building from the inside out. When it hit the upper block where the “planes” hit, it was deflected sideways out the holes in the building and the generated turbulence is what brought the towers down from the top.

    The elevator shafts needed to be connected before the blast was set off to let the beam through. That was the purpose of the blast noted in the basement by William Rodriguez even before the plane hit and the several blasts heard just before the towers collapsed. Those were probably thermite generated.

    The Building 7 blast worked slightly differently, exposing most of the steel in the building to instantaneous oxidation, rust if you like. The building just crumbled. The rust was noted in the rubble.

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  266. Chinaman says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    As for COVID-19, it is still best (and most simply) explained by a lab accident.

    I was glad I found the only other rational person on the site you until I read this…

    Why can’t we just use Occam’s razor here and assume the virus is naturally occurring? As was the case for all the other pandemics and epidemics that have plague humanity since eternity ??

    Why do we always have to assume some human or supernatural involvement behind random events?

  267. @Sparkon

    Without craters, you’ve got no case for nukes in the basement, and in any event, the destruction of the Twins starts at the top and works its way down for both buildings

    As I’ve said in another comment, and in a previous thread, the towers came down from the top because of turbulence generated when the channeled electromagnetic beam from the blast coming up through the elevator shaft, and destroying the building from inside out, hit the bottom of the building section above the ‘plane’ damage. The channeled blast beam is diverted out the holes in the walls, forming turbulent eddies. Fluid dynamics, remember?

    The debris from Building 7 collapsed into its own footprint because a slightly different method was used on it. Using perhaps even a neutron bomb, the blast dispersed more evenly through the building and instantaneously rusted its steel, which just broke up in big chunks. (As well there were many bombs that exploded early in the morning, causing extensive damage). The rust was noted in the rubble.

    You are on record as favoring multiple mini-nukes placed at intervals along the elevator shafts and set off in sequence. Those would probably destroy each other. But more important, they would have the same heat dynamics as an open air blast. The heat would be dispersed in the atmosphere and none would find its way underground to stay there for months.

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  268. Chinaman says:
    @Sean

    It would be too risky, China isn’t Iran.

    You are right. We ain’t just going to rollover and let white people genocide us like the Australian aboriginals or native Americans.

    But the Chinese don’t need to do anything. We just have to wait for the US to implode and disintegrate as empires do. It will be fun to watch the Zombie apocalypse as black and browns rise up against white people. That’s the real bioattack.

    US have already gone mad and is in its last days.

    The comments on this site is just a reflection of the insanity that have taken hold in the country.

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  269. Chinaman says:
    @Iris

    Iris…

    Yes. It was this nuclear blast that accelerated the mutation rate of RatG13 and how it evolve to COVID.

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  270. @Sean

    China is biden its time. Though under a self-serving, quasi-illegitimate regime, China is an ancient civilization and doesn’t go rashly rushing into uncertainty. Their military buildup is steady on course and is set to catch up with their economic strides. No hurry, they are primarily Taoists and I would expect that some of their key people regularly consult the I Ching,

  271. Spanky says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    The primary energies released in a nuclear fission detonation are heat and pressure — somewhere between one and ten million degrees K along with several million psi of pressure — created when the strong force bonds break in an atom’s nucleus hurling its pieces (electrons, neutrons, protons and fission products (whatever remains of the split atom’s nuclei)) into nearby atoms at relativistic speeds (~90% of the speed of light). Energy, in the form of photons (x-rays and gamma rays, for example) is also created when the strong force bond breaks and race away more or less randomly in all directions at the speed of light.

    The thermal and pressure energy is a result of fission products colliding with nearby matter and thereby transferring their energy into that matter, which we measure as temperature. Pressure is a result of that matter’s increase in energy as well.

    Think about what is happening here — trillions of these interactions — high energy collisions at relativistic speeds — occurring within a confined space in less time than you can blink.

    In simple terms, a nuclear explosion is just an uncontrolled feedback loop wherein prompt (also called fast) neutrons from the radioactive decay (split) of one atom enter two or more other atoms’ nuclei, destabilizing them instantaneously and causing them to split sending more neutrons into four or more other atoms… and so on in a chain reaction until the fuel (a highly refined radioactive isotope) is exhausted.

    Mathematically this is expressed as an exponential function which occurs in nanoseconds within an enriched fuel with the proper density and geometry.

    The EMP “pulse” is high energy photons (primarily x-rays IIRC) that ionize matter by stripping electrons from atoms thereby generating strong electric and magnetic fields. This pulse occurs immediately upon the nuclear device achieving super-criticality and radiates in all three dimensions. The effect is more pronounced and longer-ranged in the atmosphere, primarily depending on altitude, but occurs in all nuclear detonations.

    The problem I have with Iris’ conclusion is that it is based solely upon an opaque and non-specific thermal calculation of what I can only assume to be residual heat in the towers’ basements after their collapse. But no other characteristic signs of a nuclear detonation are present. She posts lots of charts and graphs copied from the internet to circumstantially support her conclusion but, at the end of the day, no direct evidence and no clarification regarding the data and assumptions upon which she relies.

    And the bare minimum of that direct evidence ought to be relatively easy to come by — radiographic surveys of the WTC site and seismographs recorded on 9/11… Depending on what that direct evidence revealed, positive results would get me interested in digging a bit deeper.

    For the sake of argument, if all that evidence (residual heat, radiographic surveys and seismographs) suggested a nuclear blast, I’d start by looking for four more things:

    1) EMP effects which would have radiated out from the WTC site via subway tracks, power and phone cables;
    2) glazing of the soil and concrete below ground, as well as any fusing of metal, concrete and other debris into large solid structures from the bottom up immediately above the blast site;
    3) shockwave damage to building foundations and sub-surface structures surrounding the WTC site for up to at least one mile;
    4) a large hole in the bedrock where the blast occurred — the surrounding rock would have been vaporized.

    But, in all honesty, I do not think this theory can bear the weight of actual evidence.

    The simplest explanation for the residual heat is that thermite was used to cut the steel beams. Tests run on samples taken from the WTC site were positive for thermite. Based on the expertise of the engineers publishing this information and their conclusions, which are at odds with the official 9/11 narrative, and considering the professional risk they take in publicizing those conclusions…

    Moreover, I’ve seen nothing, in either the official narrative, or this nuclear demolition “theory”, which accounts for eyewitness descriptions, from people in the building immediately prior to the collapse, about the numerous explosions both above and below ground level, as well as those clearly visible on videos of the collapses.

    Since I am no expert on 9/11, I have shied away from commenting on the attacks, other than to say that the information I had reviewed, and considered credible, directly contradicted the official account of those events. But this “theory” of a nuclear demolition falls within an area of my expertise. Suffice it to say that this is my last word on this subject — one would have to be naive and gullible to accept it at face value.

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  272. @Jiminy

    The Tehran building looks like it twisted and distorted from the heat.

    The Tehran Plasco collapse was recorded on video as it came down. There were many obvious and violent explosions coming out the sides in all directions in the minute or two before it fell. It did not, however, collapse in the pyroclastic manner of the twin towers (or the sagging of Building 7). Pyroclastic flows are typical of volcanoes and nuclear explosions. Like a fountain.

    So superficial similarities but also marked differences.

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  273. @Spanky

    What I will note is that the figure you give for the heat released from the WTC site, 10^15 Joules, or 10 Peta Joules, would have made it impossible for humans to approach, much less work in and around the site, in the immediate aftermath. The time period over which a heat load of that magnitude is released is an important factor.

    The figure 10^15 Joules is François Roby’s meticulous estimate of the energy stored in the basements of the WTC complex by the explosives that demolished the three buildings. It’s pretty basic thermodynamics, a science that was developed in the 19th Century and has stood the test of time.
    https://archive.fo/GEkXj#selection-145.34-145.47

    The energy was released over four months. You are the one who seems to be confusing energy stored with heat flow, which depends on various, much more complicated things, such as the enthalpy of the materials, compactness of the rubble and conductivity. In particular mitigation efforts to absorb heat energy by flooding the site with water.

    Yes, there were many reports of beams that were dripping liquid metal or even showing evidence of metal having evaporated. There were many reports of shoe soles melting and dogs being crippled in the extreme heat. That’s the problem in every fire. That’s why fire departments are equipped with fire hoses. Water has the unique property of being able to soak up massive amounts of heat and taking it away as departing steam.

    They used a lot of water on the site. The Atlantic Ocean was barely more than a city block away.

  274. @Sean

    Why would an order to do something so egregious as attack China with a bioweapon be obeyed?

    Finding henchmen (or henchpersons) wasn’t a problem. Over eight excruciating years the gay muslim kenyan fired or forced the retirement of American loyalists and ensconced shitlib lickspittle high-ups in the lawless alphabet soup agencies and the military.

    These are evil people, and I have zero doubt had they been told to poison US water supplies to stop Trump they would’ve done so without hesitation.

    How many people knew about and worked on illegal government spying programs before whistleblower Snowden exposed them?

  275. @Ron Unz

    Your theory is as good as any, Sir.

    Jack London’s 1910 sci-fi story “The Unparalleled Invasion” details a biological attack against China.

    I wish it was real, except for a few thousand Chinese surviving for restaurant and kung fu purposes.

    Wiki has link to story:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unparalleled_Invasion

  276. dee raz says:

    Someones-got it in for me they’re planting stories in the press
    Whoever it is I wish they’d cut it out quick
    But when they will I can only guess

  277. Sean says:
    @anon

    When you eat a pigeon, who gets the head, who gets the butt? Do you know why they hang Mao from the rear-view mirror?

    Such cultural particulars of China might be at issue in what kind of government China has, I’m confident that domestic folkways are nonetheless irrelevant to how China or any other country conducts its international relations, because to survive–and China has for thousands of years–a country must make it clear they cannot be assailed with impunity. If Covid-19 had been an American bioweapon used on China, then the Chinese could hardly fail to have realised it when you factor in Chinese expertise on bat viruses. We would have seen a very loud official Chinese government accusation to the world that America was responsible for attacking China with Covid-19 and had deliberately done it.

    Typical immaterial beltway ignoramus.

    Mitch McConnell’s wife is Chinese and there are many ways for Chinese intelligence to gather data on who is who in the Deep State order of battle. Chinese secret services would know who at least some of the leading members of any such rogue Deep State Neocon cabal as Ron Unz has posited were behind the use of the bioweapon on China were. Such immense power in US government and agencies would be obvious enough to Chinese intelligence professionals that they would be able to identify the certain figures. The renegade Deep Staters ability to be effective would depend on operating by bluff and subterfuge and not being investigated, they would have to fear allegations identifying them as what they actually are being publicized.

    Moreover, in part as self defence and also as as a way of getting their accusations against the cabal taken seriously, all Chinese armed forces including their thermonuclear ICBMs would surely be placed in a state of preparation for imminent hostilities, and China would say any repetition of the bioweapon or other attack would result in a Chinese declaration of war on America. It is completely unrealistic to think all this predictable response including targeting of the members of the safe-because they-are-a-secret Neocon cabal with public exposure and blame for an apparently imminent WW3 would be no deterrent to the rogue Deep State conspiracy Unz postulates.

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  278. jamesc says:
    @Majority of One

    Majority, my question was about the topic of the thread, from which you had strayed.

    If you remember, my assertion was that most of what Barrett posts was wrong.

    You went off on some tangents of your own, so I asked you the question – which was another way of asking you about your perception of Barrett’s hit rate.

    You ducked it and made some excuses, which are hardly going to convince anyone.

    So, since you are defending Barrett, is he mostly wrong or not?

  279. Jiminy says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Silverstein didn’t own that building as well, did he? Strange how it was blowing out just on the end section though. Maybe on every floor. From what I just read, it was a steel building with concrete columns lacking fire protection cladding(asbestos). A lot of heavy industrial equipment had been moved to the upper floors. And flooding with water caused thermal shock to the steel frame.
    But when you look back at the chek sections of the twin towers, you can see how well designed they were. The joins for the sections were staggered, so that instead of having one long joint, you had a zig-zag of smaller joints. And the design strength shows in that they kept the original shape upon collapse.
    I was also thinking that with the buried nuclear bomb theory, none of the cameras that were operating failed or played up. So unless they were valve driven, unhardened electronics should have given the game away.
    Also on a different note, I just read where Russia’s getting the blame for the back door that was hiding in the US government’s computer operating program. There was a story here last week about it. So it’s starting all ready.

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  280. Iris says:
    @Chinaman

    How so very gracious of you.

    A “Chinaman” who, from the remote (((Far East))), takes the pain to kindly exonerate the Zionist-controlled US Deep State from BOTH the 9/11 False Flag AND from the Covid 19 biological attack…. Just in case there was any doubt left that both were committed by the same perpetrators….
    Thanks for the confirmation.

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  281. saggy says:

    Still, after a handful of books and a few dozen hours of conversations and films, I’m not well-informed enough to “deny” anything.

    A shameless and irresponsible idiot.

  282. @Jiminy

    I was also thinking that with the buried nuclear bomb theory, none of the cameras that were operating failed or played up.

    Actually the video feeds of at least one news helicopter in the air on 9/11 went all pixilated for a moment just before the towers collapsed. Unfortunately these videos are being scrubbed from the internet and I can not readily find one at the moment.

  283. Sparkon says:
    @Spanky

    The Twin Towers did not fall into their own footprints on 9/11. If they had, there would have been massive debris heaps over where the Twin Towers had stood, but we see nothing like that in the images. Rather, at least some of the material from the Twin Towers was blown far and wide beyond the confines of the WTC site, and much of it seems to have disappeared, or turned to dust.

    As Dr. Judy Wood has asked: “Where did the towers go?”

    I say no one here has complete, accurate, and up-to-date information on the capabilities of state-of-the-art nuclear devices – now or in 2001 – because that material is very tightly held indeed, and is not available to the general public, nor is it published in any open source.

    It is known however, that by the early ’60s, the United States had nuclear devices that could be carried in a backpack, fit into a 155 mm howitzer shell, or fired from a recoilless rifle – the W54 nuclear warhead.

    The W54 was one of the smallest nuclear warheads deployed by the United States. It was a very compact implosion-type nuclear weapon design, designed for tactical use and had a very low yield for a nuclear weapon, in the range of 10 to 1,000 tons of TNT (42 to 4,184 gigajoules).


    The W54 nuclear warhead was used in the man-portable M-388 Davy Crockett projectile. The unusually small size of the warhead is apparent.

    If any nuclear devices were used to destroy the Twin Towers, that action took place above ground in top down fashion, as the videos show. Given that small nuclear devices had been developed already by the early ’60s, is it too much of a stretch to think that even smaller more versatile devices might have been developed by 2001? Such miniaturized nuke bombs might feature adjustable blast radii and/or some means of directing the energy. A string or succession of such devices would fit the bill perfectly for what happened on 9/11 – a top down destruction of the Twin Towers leaving no debris heaps while ejecting structural material well beyond the WTC site.

    There is no known way to channel the energy of a nuclear blast in an elevator shaft. You’d need granite bedrock for that going all the way to the top of the Twins, and then we’re supposed to believe that the channeled energy, once reaching the top of the towers, made a U-turn and started back down. It’s poppycock and complete nonsense.

    However, the fact remains that there were no debris heaps associated with WTC 1 or WTC 2. Much of the mass of those two 110-story skyscrapers was blown to kingdom come. Where did it go? I don’t think you can do that with conventional explosives.

    By contrast, Bldg. 7 was brought down in what appears to have been an attempt at a controlled demolition, but either the demolition guys weren’t pros, the rigging was done in haste, there was some miscalculation, or some other opaque issue.

    From the statements of fireman Rudy Dent, we know that Mayor Giuliani and his fire chief had gone into Bldg. 7 after the Twins came down, and the pair were “missing” in the building for some time before they emerged. Shortly after the mayor and fire chief came out of the building, it was imploded and crashed to the ground, leaving a substantial debris heap visible in the photos I’ve posted above, but also doing significant damage to surrounding structures, a fact that argues against the destruction of Bldg. 7 being a professional demolition job, and which should raise questions about what the mayor was doing in the building.

  284. anon[407] • Disclaimer says:

    Now then. With 284 we have established Sean can’t read Chinese, has never been in China, has no native Chinese friends, and thinks his ignorance of China’s three thousand year continuity of culture mocks nicks. Nonetheless, he’s willing to bullshit endlessly about it, piling on unsupported assertions with no hint he ever learned what inductive logic is for.

    What Sean has is his heartfelt little creed of he’s confident and he’s certain and this is realistic and that is not. Bullshit pulled out his ass. China has been very lucky in its fatuous ASVAB 12 enemies like Sean. Just wind him up and the drum will turn and the little rubber nubs will tweak the prongs and he’ll go plink plink plink. About anything.

    Who tries this hard to impress disembodied internet voices? Null hypothesis: third-rate IR program fixated on delusional government-issue “realism” of zero vocational value, forcing beltway scutwork job, and this is his only outlet for the obsessive mental masturbation that he learned. Outer party indoctrination, prole status.

  285. @Spanky

    The Temperature of the Pile

    Temperatures at Ground Zero were 600 to 1,500 °F or even higher for 6 months after 9/11. Firemen were fighting fires at Ground Zero for 99 days after 9/11. AVRIS data showed that temperature in one spot was 1,341 °F on 9/16/01. These high temperatures could be attributed to neutron bombs that were detonated underground in order to destroy the foundations of the Twin Towers. Some of the hotspots may have been unexploded nuclear fissile material reacting underground.

    The workers at Ground Zero experienced hellish working conditions. One Ground Zero worker, Charlie Vitchers, describes the nightmare “The fires were very intense on the pile, the heat was very intense. In some places you couldn’t even get onto it. In some areas where you could walk, you’d travel another five feet and then you could just feel the heat coming up and you would have to just back off. You’d say to yourself, “I can’t see a fire, but I can feel the heat, so something’s wrong here,” and you’d back off.

    That was one of the concerns we had about putting equipment on the pile, because the operators were sitting eight or ten feet up above the debris pile in their cabs and couldn’t feel the heat. But they’re carrying a hundred gallons of diesel fuel, hydraulic hoses, and other flammables, and there was nothing to stop the heat from wrecking the machine. If they got stuck in a place where the heat was so intense that it set his machine on fire, that operator wasn’t going to make it out.

    We were so lucky. We didn’t lose anyone. We lost a lot of equipment, mostly due to collapses, but didn’t have any piece of equipment catch on fire or anything like that. But hoses melted, and there was a lot of damage to tires- some of them melted just from being too close. I mean, the bottom of your shoes would melt on some of the steel. Some of that was so hot you could feel the hair on the back of your neck start to burn when you walked by. There were cherry-red pieces of steel sticking out of the ground. It was almost like being in a steel-manufacturing plant. You just couldn’t physically go near that stuff.

    Every time a grappler grabbed a piece of steel and shook it out, it would just fan the fire, like a fan in the fireplace. All of a sudden there’d be smoke billowing out.

    The Army Corps of Engineers eventually supplied us with infrared aerial shots of where the heat was. It was like looking at the blob. The fire was moving under the pile. One day it would be here, it would be 1,400 degrees, the next day it would be 2,000 degrees, then five days later it wouldn’t register over 600 degrees.” (Stout, Vitchers & Gray, 2006)
    https://www.auricmedia.net/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/

  286. Jiminy says:
    @Sean

    I can’t really agree with your thoughts on China threatening a country with nuclear weapons. Once you threaten a country with the ultimate big stick, if that country doesn’t back down, then China would have no option but to commit suicide. That’s a very extreme foreign policy. Going from wanting an apology and reparations to total destruction in the blink of an eye. I think we all know that America is declining while China is ascending in world standing. America’s reign is in its twilight years, and China realises that. When the U.S. bubble bursts, then China will be left holding the reins. China could be sitting back twiddling it’s thumbs right now asking, just who is suffering more from this new flu? Really, how many thousands of years old is the Chinese civilisation? Time is on their side.

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  287. GeeBee says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    I was about to press ‘Agree’, but your very last sentence made me decide to comment instead. You wrote: ‘The alternative is to continually end up with feudalism and wide-spread dissatisfaction.’ I am a Traditionalist at heart (hence my agreeing with your sentiments regarding ‘God and King’ being replaced by ‘front men and puppet-masters’). I therefore have this bee in my bonnet about the current, seemingly automatic assumption that feudalism is something intrinsically bad and to be avoided at all costs. I know what you mean, of course, when you invoke feudalism as a talisman of social awfulness. It’s just that feudalism had many advantages to the structured society in which it flourished. In consequence, I would very much prefer it if people looked around for other, truly awful socio-political systems with which to link our present day dystopian nightmare. ‘Stalinism’ I’d have no problem with using. ‘Fascism’ (including ‘Nazism’) used in this way, on the other hand, always provokes me to reply, pointing out the excellent attributes of such systems, and especially of National Socialism.

    The trouble is that almost no-one today knows the first thing about any of these systems. For sure, they think that they know, which is no surprise, bearing in mind the sustained and concerted efforts to blacken and demean them that have formed the background radiation of the post-war world. Very few people – even thinking, critical, sceptical, inquiring people – seem to be suspicious that this unending propaganda never stops. One would hope that they would think that surely, there must be a reason for this. Because, of course, there is: the modern Masters of the Universe are terrified that ‘the people’ might come to understand the true nature of these systems. This is why, of course, the brutal, unnecessary and indeed criminal war on National Socialist Germany was waged. It posed an existential threat to the cruel, callous, exploitative schemata whose beneficiaries are the Internationalists at the heart of our hegemonic system of Neo-Liberalism, which undergirds their swindling and extractive system of finance Capitalism.

    Yet no, the average Joe continues to do his enemy’s work for him, dutifully venting forth his Pavlovian barking whenever anything his masters have trained him to dislike appears before him.

    Compared with ‘Fascism’ and ‘Nazism’, dear old feudalism might seem like small beer. It is, none the less, important that people understand what it entailed – and what today’s world entails in sharp contrast. I have given several examples in recent posts on the Unz site in the past week of two, so shall not repeat them here or give further examples (unless requested so to do).

    Anyhow, as I said, I applaud almost all you wrote! (Although I would note the ‘Grand Rebellion’ in England more than 150 years before the events of 1789 in France, when looking for the true beginning of the triumph of mercantilism, and the successful installation of the merchant on the ruins of throne and altar).

  288. Jiminy says:

    When I read about the high recorded temperatures in the rubble, I think of how before refrigeration, blocks of ice would be kept for long periods of time in basements surrounded by straw. A surprisingly long time. The same concept is used in cooking. You take your pot of food from the stove early and finish the cooking process in a lided box lined with insulating straw.
    Now consider that below street level there was at least seven stories, and that hole was full of fuel from the collapse. Paper, plastics, cloth, molten metal and explosive residue surrounded by the bed rock. Once that mass heated up, it certainly wouldn’t cool down overnight. I can tell you that here I have blistered my feet from walking on the roadway barefoot while helping a neighbour push his stalled car.
    There’s no doubt a mathematical method of working out the time required for the loss of energy from the rubble pile. A quick sqiz of the stats show that 1.8 million tons of debris were removed from the area. And there was at least 300 000 tons of scrap metal sold. Also a lot of the concrete flooring was made from light weight concrete.

  289. @Spanky

    Energy, in the form of photons (x-rays and gamma rays, for example) is also created when the strong force bond breaks and race away more or less randomly in all directions at the speed of light….
    Think about what is happening here — trillions of these interactions — high energy collisions at relativistic speeds — occurring within a confined space in less time than you can blink.

    So we agree there’s a lot of electromagnetic energy being released. But is it, or is it necessarily a confined space? I can’t blame you for thinking so, given that Iris posted a video of an underground nuclear explosion in a drilled chamber that had been packed with soil and debris to prevent the release of radioactivity into the atmosphere.

    But rather focus on a gun as our model, say a shotgun. If you forget to clear the mud blockage in the barrel before you fire it you get a huge explosion that is likely to kill you. But once you clear the barrel most of the energy is directed out the barrel and you have only to contend with a modest kickback and some noise.

    In the twin towers, our gun barrel is the main elevator shaft. It needs to be cleared, of course, but that was arguably started by the sub-basement explosion seconds before the first “plane” hit the North Tower, as recounted by William Rodriguez (but see below). It would have been finished by the explosions heard just before the tower started to collapse.

    So now that you’ve cleared the barrel, you pull the trigger to fire the weapon. The pellets shoot out the barrel and head in the direction aimed but gradually spreading apart as in a flashlight beam. By the time our WTC beam hits the bottom of the stranded building block above the 94th floor, where the plane holes were formed, its x-rays have eaten away much of the structure, from the inside out. At that point turbulence kicks in and deflects the beam out the hole in various patterns. The building is destroyed from the top down, the stranded bit from the bottom up.

    The best model, IMO, is that given by the physicist Heinz Pommer, who has provided his book “The Ground Zero Model” in free access. He postulates, not a nuke per se, but a supercritical uranium/thorium nuclear fizzle-reactor, with boiling water assist (for the twin towers but not Building 7). Each 150 kt reactor took about an hour to go super-critical after the control rods were jammed into place.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342355359_The_Ground_Zero_Model_GZM

    For the last massive discussion we had on the topic, see:
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/from-9-11-to-the-great-reset/

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    , @xcd
  290. In the 1970s, a vengeful American took a trip to China. He sought revenge on America for mistreating him, putting him through a lot of embarrassment, and humiliation. He had arranged meeting with Chairman Mao-Tse-Tung of the Chinese Communist Party(CCP). It was a well-known fact that Chairman Mao hated America and would kill every American if possible. During these meetings this person expressed his/her desire to hurt America, even though Mao considered this person untrustworthy and despised him/her, they hatched a plan which would produce a bio-engineered virus that would massively infect the U.S. population. It was initially created in a backyard in Guangdong Province and later moved to 2 labs in Wuhan. As an aside, a NYT article dated Feb 21, 1976, reported that ex-President Richard M. Nixon, the 37th P.O.T.U.S, was picked up at JFK Airport in Queens, NY, by a Boeing 707, which the Chinese purchased from the U.S., as relations warmed up due to the diplomatic efforts initiated by the Nixon Administration and carried out by Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State.

    The Chinese didn’t deliberately loose this virus on their people. It was an accident and killed 2 Chinese Lab Techs in the meantime, as it spread through out China’ provinces. So the initial cause was the U.S. and China’s collaboration with each other.

    The real criminals are all leaders of the main powers(countries), that knew about it ahead of time, approximately 7-8 mos before and said nothing because of political and economic reasons. Donald J. Trump said the main reason he did not reveal this pandemic-in-the making was because he didn’t want to scare America’s population because they might panic and that primary reason, although somewhat flimsy. The main reason for his silence was that he was in an election year and this would look bad for him and possibly be used as political fodder for the Democrat Party.

  291. Sean says:
    @Jiminy

    Really, how many thousands of years old is the Chinese civilisation? Time is on their side.

    It most certainly would not be were they to sit still and silent while awaiting a follow-up undercover bioweapons attacks from those cocooned within the Deep State of America. It would admittedly involve the very hardest of hard either/ ors, but no choice of means could exist for the Chinese leadership; they would simply have use megaphone public diplomacy though MSM to the US population, and lest Americans mistake China’s meaning, exert extreme military pressure up to and if necessary past the point of no return.

    Understand that China would have the option to do many things conventionally and at sea that would leave the American elected government with the burden of a decision to initiate conventional hostilities and then the use nuclear weapons. If it came to that it would almost certainly be a single battlefield weapon that got used first. After that there would be escalation and eventually a specimen strategic strike on a city.

    In 1996 and 2000, China indicated that if the US went tactical thermonuclear in defense of Taiwan then China would retaliate by nuking the continental US, but this was not a threat of an all out first strike it was intended to mean that China was not scared to threaten back. Nuclear weapon use on the battlefield is a Rubicon that none wish to cross, so credible threats of imminent conventional war by a superpower like China in their own backyard would put the US in the position of getting a very intimidating attitude adjuster.

    I think if the Chinese said ‘we have been covertly attacked with a bioweapon by the US; Colonel X, Deputy Assistant Director Y and National security advisor Z and their associates, who are part of the American Deep state cabal that was behind the bioweapons attack, and if they are not removed immediately China will take it as an act of war’, then those people would be dismissed.

    What China would not, could not do is nothing. Just freezing and remaining passive without any way of knowing if the US Cabal was going to launch another and vastly more effective clandestine bioweapons attack on China is an obvious non starter as a strategy. Nothing in Chinese history or Xi’s speeches would lead one to think they would hesitate to take counter measures. Fisrtly China would not at the very least be screaming to the four corners of the Earth about an American bioweapons attack on China. And to show China meant what it said only a phased escalation of military provocation and then small but gradually spreading engaging in hostilities against US forces in East Asia would suffice.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  292. Chinaman says:
    @Iris

    No…911 and building 7 was clearly an inside job\false flag through demolition…

    https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

    2 CHINESE dudes simulated every nut and bolt of WTC7 and found it is not due to fire but simultaneously destruction of the columns. no mention of nuclear blast which wouldn’t cause a collapse in the manner that it did.

    It was not an underground nuclear blast. is there a conspiracy theory you don’t like?

    The investigation of the genesis of COVID needs to be evidenced-based exactly because it is politicized.

    In order to counter the China Virus narrative, we need data, evidence and objective analysis.Throwing out another conspiracy theory doesn’t help at all.

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  293. Iris says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    given that Iris posted a video of an underground nuclear explosion in a drilled chamber that had been packed with soil and debris to prevent the release of radioactivity into the atmosphere.

    Hi. Just for clarification, there exists significant evidence that this standard model of underground nuclear detonations in hard soil, described in the video, is what actually happened at the WTC.

    This model was best described following the real-life experimentations made by the French Nuclear Agency in the Sahara’s granitic soil in the early 1960’s. Such granitic soil is similar to Manhattan’s bedrock on which the Twin Towers were anchored.
    There exists free-access documentation in English describing it too; see from point 2.102 in this official American document:

    https://www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents/NTPR/4-Rad_Exp_Rpts/36_The_Effects_of_Nuclear_Weapons.pdf

    Starting from the explosion, the underground detonations comprise successive stages , of which the fourth is described in 2.103;

    Finally, the gas pressure in the cavity decreases to the point when it can no longer support the overburden. Then, in a matter of seconds to hours, the cavity’s roof falls in and this is followed by the progressive collapse of the overlying rocks. A tall cylinder, commonly referred to as a “chimney,” filled with broken rock or rubble is thus formed (Fig. 2.103)

    The evidence that this is what happened at the WTC is found in videos of the collapse of the North Tower, filmed by different people at different location.

    The persons holding the cameras shook as if a seismic shock has occurred when the nuclear charge was detonated. Then, in both films, the Tower collapsed exactly 12 seconds after the recorded seismic shock. 12 seconds is the time it took for the gas pressure to drop and the chimney to collapse, engulfing the Tower that had been already dustified by the pressure shock wave.

    The 1960’s American civil engineers did a very fine design for a demolition job, which unfortunately ended up being used by Zionist psychopaths to commit a nuclear Holocaust of American civilians.

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  294. Sean says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215860.shtml

    A recombinant strain of the novel coronavirus has likely been detected in the US, leading Chinese experts to warn on Thursday that a more dangerous virus could emerge if SARS-CoV-2 recombines with other coronavirus.

    Bette Korber, a scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, earlier this month said she discovered evidence of the new strain, which was a recombination of the variants detected in the UK and California and which may be responsible for a recent wave of cases in Los Angeles, according to a report published in the London-based New Scientist magazine on Tuesday.

  295. R2b says:
    @Mark Tapley

    True.
    You can not prove a vaccine has cured a disease.
    It is a bluff.
    This seminar is ridiculous.
    Vaccine is just a speculative idea.
    Like the Wall Street market.
    No virus has been isolated.
    All pure fiction.
    Debris that is theoretically retrograded, but is only exosomes.

  296. @Chinaman

    2 CHINESE dudes simulated every nut and bolt of WTC7 and found it is not due to fire but simultaneously destruction of the columns. no mention of nuclear blast which wouldn’t cause a collapse in the manner that it did.

    So scrupulous of you to leave out the lead researcher, J. Leroy Hulsey, who is clearly not Chinese, and give all credit on his team members./s

    Now pray tell, how does a report that rules out a fire-caused collapse preclude a nuclear-caused collapse simply by not mentioning it? The group spent four years putting the establishment (NIST) collapse-by-fire theory to the test and found it wanting. They concluded:

    The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

    But you, in your infinite wisdom, conclude that a “global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” is inconsistent with a nuclear-collapse theory.

    Where can I get a dose of that infinite wisdom? What do you charge for shipping?

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    , @Chinaman
  297. @GeeBee

    Thank you.
    I appreciate you pointing out that inconsistency. I’m actually having an off day. I have the gist of what you are saying but need more time to meaningfully respond. Yes, I agree that there were developments prior to la Revolution that were probably ‘test’ runs. Cromwell was a regime change with very specific backing, for one, as was the ‘Glorious Revolution’ which I suspect was neither. Even Henry 8 has the scent of destabilization-transformation-social engineering as far as I read it.
    Regards

  298. Iris says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    But you, in your infinite wisdom, conclude that a “global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” is inconsistent with a nuclear-collapse theory.

    Thanks ever so much for reminding the readers about the ground-breaking WTC7 demolition study directed by Pr Hulsey at the University of Alaska- Fairbanks.

    Kevin Barrett’s podcast and the Unz Review were the earliest and only outlets reporting about this impeccable work, fundamental to the 9/11 Truth mission:

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_ph-d-structural-engineer-ibrahim-soudy-10000-to-anyone-who-can-refute-new-u-of-alaska-wtc-7-study/

    Your statement above is entirely correct: the UAF WTC7 study only concluded that what happened to WTC7 was undisputedly controlled demolition (“global failure”), but not how the demolition was executed.

    At the end of his conference presenting the study, during the Q&A session, Pr Hulsey was specifically asked the question of the “how” and he refused to reply.

  299. Chinaman says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Leroy didn’t have the coding skills to do it and it was all done by the 2 chinese dude. As usual, the white dude gets all the credit for it.

    The only thing Leroy did was to setup these clueless Chinese as “fall guys” in the event there is blowback. He will definitely say he had nothing to do with it if the NIST challenge it or mistakes were found. “ CCP undermining our democracy. They are Chinese spies”. So disingenuous.

    Out of all the people in Alaska, he had to find 2 Chinaman to do do it. Why?

    global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” is inconsistent with a nuclear-collapse theory.

    Occam’s razor says demolition via explosives and that’s the mainstream theory. I am out of my depth here on the physics of neutron bomb explosions, tachyon beam blasters and quantum teleportation so you will need to excuse me here. I always keep an open mind though.

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  300. @Iris

    there exists significant evidence that this standard model of underground nuclear detonations in hard soil, described in the video, is what actually happened at the WTC.

    I’ve gone over the sections of that massive, 660 page document that you pointed me to, but I am unable to see a coherent scientific explanation for what happened at the WTC. In contrast to what Heinz Pommer has come up with, you develop Francois Roby’s competing model, which IMO is not that well connected to what we saw on the ground on 9/11.

    We both start from the same place, of course. Roby’s thermodynamic analysis seems impossible to challenge in any substantive way. As you rightly conclude, it requires a source of heat of the order of 10^15 Joules. That is far beyond the capacity of any amount of any chemical explosive you could fit within the buildings. But also the heat must be generated in the basements or supporting bedrock of the twin towers to remain there for so long a time. Any heat from nano-thermite, for example, exploded in the above-ground portions of the building would be dissipated in the atmosphere pretty quickly.

    So we are agreed that the demolition required some sort of a nuclear device installed in in the basement or bedrock underneath the towers. The heat signature cannot be ignored, as the thermite theorists are wont to do. The only question is what nuclear technology was used.

    If I understand your model you have an A-bomb buried in a drill hole under the tower, with earth and debris packed in the drill hole above it and separating it from the structure. The bomb goes off, sends a shock wave up to destroy/dustify the building while at the same time creating a chimney that opens up just in time to swallow the debris:

    the Tower collapsed exactly 12 seconds after the recorded seismic shock. 12 seconds is the time it took for the gas pressure to drop and the chimney to collapse, engulfing the Tower that had been already dustified by the pressure shock wave.

    With my perhaps limited background in physics (B.Sc. hon), I see at least two fatal flaws in your model. First, a shock wave is just a pressure wave in air that is traveling faster than the speed of sound. The wave will not go through that earth and debris in the top of the bore hole without being considerably attenuated. At the very least it will be greatly attenuated just by not being channeled in one direction. If you increase the power of the blast to compensate you are going to bring down all nearby buildings at the same time. That did not happen.

    Next your purported shock wave will destroy the building from the bottom up. The outer walls at any level will go at the same time as the core columns, if not before. You would be able to see this and there would be no survivors running out the building as they heard it start to fall. No survivors rescued in that still-standing stairwell. And even the slightest asymmetry would cause the still intact part to tip over. In contrast we clearly saw a top-down destruction with the building walls maintaining their general integrity until the destructive wave reached it from above.

    Roby admits this and hopes that maybe the buildings will somehow act as a wave-guide to channel the shock wave to the top of the building before it starts to destroy the structure. That seems a very faint hope.

    By the way, I only read Roby as saying the shock wave would destroy the integrity of the building, not dustify it. Dustification requires several orders of magnitude more energy.

    My point is that Pommer’s theory does explain those things while your version of Roby’s suffers in comparison. Which is what science is about. Or should be.

  301. @Chinaman

    he had to find 2 Chinaman to do do it. … I am out of my depth here…

    Quite agree. You are totally out of your depth. You know nothing about physics. You know nothing about Occam’s razor. And you’re not quite up on the ethics of quoting, as well.

    You do, however, seem to do quite well in sticking your head in what we like to call do-do.

    Never learned to poop and scoop.

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  302. @Peripatetic Itch

    Building #7 did not have a load bearing steel structure, As for you as a laik to understand, there was nothing from steel there. Only some rebars but they were deep in the concrete.
    But do not let that little fact dissuade you . Just keep on trucking. (Manure)
    I did see your fist comment I was heartily laughing because I was thinking that was an excellent sarcasm.
    ………………………………
    But now I am jut ripping my hair out.

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  303. Chinaman says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    You know nothing about physics.

    Let’s not get carried away here. Pray tell how many paper you have published on thermodynamics? Which community college did you get your physics degree from ? Must be Harvard given all that hubris.

    You are no physicist. Just another conspiracy nut on Unz.

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    , @Peripatetic Itch
  304. xcd says:

    More juicy conspiracy “theories”.

    In this graph, look at the date when the global trend in deaths changed, and consider if you believe in coincidences.
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-cases-deaths

    From this graph of deaths in 5 countries that have pursued vaccination agressively this year, draw your own conclusion.
    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=2020-02-28..latest&country=ISR~PRT~ARE~GBR~USA&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

  305. @Zarathustra

    Building #7 did not have a load bearing steel structure, … there was nothing from steel there. Only some rebars but they were deep in the concrete.

    That’s the oddest engineering statement I’ve heard in some time. You suggesting, I think, that this massive 47-story building was supported only by rebar embedded in concrete? I know the steel found in the rubble pile was rusted beyond belief, supporting Mr. Pommer’s contention that it was flooded with a humongous x-ray source for several hours. But while stranger things have happened, I would be amazed that anyone could now feed us with a narrative suggesting it was built in the sticks and straw manner of the three-little-piglets fairy tale.

    The Institute of Northern Engineering, which is the research arm of the University of Alaska Fairbanks’ College of Engineering and Mines, spent nearly four years compiling original architectural and engineering data for their computer simulation of the Building-7 collapse. Here’s just one of their several conclusions refuting the NIST model of its collapse:

    Even if we assume the failure of Columns 79, 80, and 81 could lead to the failure of the next row of core columns, the hypothetical failure of Columns 76 to 81 would overload the exterior columns around the southeast corner of the building, rather than overloading the next row of core columns to the west, which would result in the building tipping to the southeast and not in a straight-down collapse.

    https://nationalfile.com/study-finds-melted-steel-beams-did-not-cause-wtc-building-7-collapse/

    How do you overload non-load-bearing core columns?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  306. Iris says:
    @Chinaman

    Let’s not get carried away here. Pray tell how many paper you have published on thermodynamics?

    You are so much out of your depth that you don’t even realise it.

    One does not need to have published scientific papers to understand the first and second principles of Thermodynamics: all 19-years old Physics students do.

    Heat always flows from the higher to the lower temperature; metal can burn but is not a fuel.

    The WTC was covered in molten-state steel for over 3 months, which colour indicated a temperature of at least 1000 degree C.
    That implicates that there existed a fuel burning at at least 1000 degree C, which energy was being transferred to the steel and melt it.

    But all fuels officially present at the WTC, wood, paper, even the alleged kerosene from the alleged “planes” burn far below 1000 C. So what was the mysterious source of energy able to deliver 1000 C and melt steel? And equally important, what fuel can invisibly “burn” from underground, without oxygen?

    9/11 is a well-worn cover-up that does not resist a 5-minute open discussion within a public mildly educated in sciences; its nuclear nature is undisputable.

    • LOL: Spanky
  307. @Peripatetic Itch

    Please do not misunderstand me I still like you. You are very entertaining to me.
    It is a Herculean effort trying to support that idiotic vomit that Iris had presented here.

  308. @Chinaman

    Pray tell how many paper you have published on thermodynamics?

    So sorry. Nothing much. Just an essay prize for a thermodynamics paper on the difference between heat and temperature. At the end of my fourth year of a college physics degree. I’m sure you could beat that with a scribble over your morning coffee. Nope–not published. I can read though. Does that count?

    But do do tell us how that 19-Arabs-with-box-cutters conspiracy theory is going for you and your Mossad friends, and your best bud Xunter Bribem, Mr. Doo-Doo Chinaman?

    You know, the one where Mr. Atta’s passport went through that massive conflagration to land on the street below in pristine condition?

    The one where tin-foil airplanes cut through two-inch exterior steel columns like cookie cutters?

    The one that proved Galileo did the wrong experiment when he dropped those rocks off the side of the Leaning Tower of Pisa. He would better have dropped one off the edge and the other through the roof to prove they get to the ground at the same time.

    Doo-doo here, there and everywhere. You really do do need a shower.

    • LOL: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  309. @Zarathustra

    Oh sorry!
    He he he he
    I am so impolite I did not answer your question.
    He he he
    There is no such a thing as non load bearing column in Structural engineering.
    Please stop
    I can die laughing you know.

  310. @Zarathustra

    Thanks. And likewise. We can all tell the difference between an honest difference of views and the all-too common infestation of trolls.

    But I can’t let you dump on Iris either. She and I have a difference of opinion on what sort of nuclear technology could have been used to bring the Twin Towers and Building 7 down. Hers comes from Francois Roby, a French physicist who has extensively analyzed the energetics of 9/11, while mine comes from Heinz Pommer, a colleague of Roby’s, who has accepted Roby’s energetics but came up with a novel model. But we are both agreed it was much too energetic a collapse to come from things like nanothermite, while a directed-energy weapon powered by an Atlantic hurricane is too fanciful for words.

    Just look at the extensive, if not complete, dustification of the concrete in the towers. The forces holding those molecules together are incredibly large. Have you ever, for example, tried to even pulverize a chunk? It requires many orders of magnitude of energy larger than what it takes to destroy its structural integrity. The energy required can and has been calculated. The results were quickly suppressed because they showed, very early on, that chemical explosives were insufficient. The same for the fountain effect, throwing steel beams up and out at a 45 degree angle.

    What convinced me was a picture of a violent pyroclastic eruption. Only nukes and volcanoes are known to do this. Compare these pictures.
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_170.htm

    • Replies: @Jiminy
    , @Zarathustra
  311. Jiminy says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    When you say steel beams were ejected, does that include the outer perimeter segments that somebody said were called cheks? Because I thought that on certain areas of the building , wouldn’t some of those chek panels be under tension. And so once they were released from each other as the building collapsed you would expect to see them shoot out with added force. I also wonder what type of steel they were made from as that could have made a difference as well. Maybe a high tensile steel, as they kept their shape throughout the event without deforming. Just a thought.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  312. Chinaman says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Calm down before you blow a fuse up there. You obviously have a fantastical mind that can easily transverse through space and time from Mr Atta, comrade Xunter to Galileo.

    Don’t know what we are arguing here since I agree it is an inside job and in some ways…related to Isreal and the Iraq war. Don’t care about how they did. To watch Larry Silverstein boast about how he got the insurance companies to pay up was all it took to convince me.

    Perhaps the focus should be on ascertaining whether it is really feasible to cover up this spectacular crime and what are the leads from here after this building 7 report was published?

  313. @Peripatetic Itch

    Oh for Gods sake.
    Let me get as primitive as I can get.
    Even on television they did show the collapse of building #7 and than they did show buildings that were taken down by controlled demolition. No difference.
    Don’t you think that pattern of nuclear demolition collapse would be different?
    Concerning towers is undeniable that they were taken down by collapsing the concrete floors from top to bottom.
    That was done also by controlled demolition by placing explosives at perimeters of few upper floors.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    I am not familiar with mini nukes, but I am very suspicious. As far as I know nuclear explosion needs critical mass. So I cant imagine how mini nuclear explosion works.
    But if it would somehow possible than i am positive that US and Russian armies would have stock piles of them.
    ……………………………………………………..
    So I do consider all this discussion for entertainment only.

  314. Ron Unz says:

    In glancing over this long thread, now approaching 50,000 words, I noticed it had devolved into a long and heated debate over the 9/11 attacks, how the WTC towers were destroyed, whether by a nuclear weapon or something else.

    Personally, I’ve been quite critical of this sort of approach, which seems to overwhelmingly dominate the “9/11 Truth Community.” As I’ve written in the past:

    From my perspective, a huge fraction of the 9/11 Truth community spends far too much of its time absorbed in the particular details of the attacks, debating the precise method by which the World Trade Center towers in New York were brought down or what actually struck the Pentagon. But these sorts of issues seem of little ultimate significance…

    I would argue that the only important aspect of such technical issues is whether the overall evidence is sufficiently strong to establish the falsehood of the official 9/11 narrative and also demonstrate that the attacks must have been the work of a highly sophisticated organization with access to advanced military technology rather than a rag-tag band of 19 Arabs armed with box-cutters. Beyond that, none of those details matter.

    Once we have concluded that the culprits were part of a highly sophisticated organization, we can then focus on the Who and the Why, which surely would be of greater importance than the particular details of the How. Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/#the-9-11-attacks-who-did-it

  315. Schuetze says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Once we have concluded that the culprits were part of a highly sophisticated organization, we can then focus on the Who and the Why, which surely would be of greater importance than the particular details of the How. Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.”

    This is exactly what I say about the masonic moon landings.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  316. @Ron Unz

    I would argue that the only important aspect of such technical issues is whether the overall evidence is sufficiently strong to establish the falsehood of the official 9/11 narrative

    The article by François Roby meets that requirement, since the thermodynamic argument, if no significant errors have been committed by him, is enough to demolish the official narrative.

    • Replies: @Iris
  317. @Schuetze

    Concerning moon landing I have debunked it with one sentence.
    There is no one grain of sand on surface of moon. The reason for it is that there is no water or atmosphere on the moon. While in pictures from the moon landing astronauts were walking in the sand.

  318. @Ron Unz

    Mr Unz: You have cut right to the core of the question—sliced the Gordion Knot in twain. The arguments and counters regarding the “how” go on and on, while this is going on, the “Who” and the “Why” get lost in the shuffle. This whole sideshow reminds me of Medieval monasteries when serious debates were engaged as to how many angels can dance upon the head of a pin.

    Thanks again for the clarification. “Intentional”? You asked. We do know those primes in those intel agencies are deviously clever. Cui Bono? If the waters can become thoroughly muddied, then most posters go home frustrated by the flak.

    Your site, sir, is arguably the most open to questions and most questing for answers on the internet. Thus, it becomes a prime target for the very best minds that dirty big money can buy. They obviously watch the commentaries like a hurricane of hawks and whenever possible they dispatch both watchers and disruptors as well as analysts.

    Just try to imagine the flood of taxpayer (and drug-sales black money) that must be invested in the effort to determine how much leading edge members of the international general public know (or suspect/project) regarding their nefarious schemes.

    We are engaged in close combat for the minds of those who have some capacity for influencing public perception. Some of the sharing of links here are nothing but amazing. The self-educational availabilities are virtually stupendous. The number of highly informed individuals (along with some highly inflamed ones) who participate in the commentaries, as well as the quiet observers/lurkers are very likely world-class.

    Congratulations, Ron Unz. You have developed an unmatched public service for those who would see that the public is well served in these times of perils and induced mass-confusion.

    • Thanks: denk
  319. Iris says:
    @Brás Cubas

    The article by François Roby meets that requirement, since the thermodynamic argument, if no significant errors have been committed by him, is enough to demolish the official narrative

    I think you are being far too modest in defending your position.

    While I am very grateful to our host Ron Unz for offering a forum to debate opinions he disagrees with, I can only stress that there exists a clear-cut difference between an opinion and a scientific conclusion obtained using universal Physics and Engineering principles. One can only believe the former, but has to accept the latter as fact.

    1- The UAF civil engineering study of the collapse of WTC7 is in itself enough to completely demolish the official narrative, as it proves the controlled demolition (and also as a mandatory corollary that the building had been pre-rigged with explosives).

    2- The study by Pr Roby proves something else, that the level of energy involved in the destruction of the WTC was undisputedly of nuclear nature.

    Pr Roby’s article has been made public for refutation for over 2 years, and altghough he lost his job because of it, nobody was able to find a flaw in his reasoning based on conventional Physics laws.

    He has publicly called on dissident thinker Jean Bricmont, an emeritus Physics professor and member of the Belgian academy of sciences, to review and refute his 9/11 article. Bricmont kept silent, which is as good an acquiescence as it gets.
    https://aitia.fr/erd/lettre-ouverte-a-jean-bricmont/

    The “How” question with regard to 9/11 is actually completely obsolete. Science and engineering have proven beyond any doubt that it was (1) controlled demolition (2)involving nuclear explosives.

    It is a horrible and unfathomable truth that most Americans find psychologically impossible to accept. It also has dire implications, as such truth could mean the end of the United-States. But conversely, remaining in denial is a dangerous thing, when the evidence is so glaringly obvious to anybody outside the US.

    9/11 has had disastrous consequences for the entire world, not just for the USA.
    The 9/11 cover up will only last until the US loses its status of Nr1 geopolitical power, which is soon.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  320. Chinaman says:
    @Ron Unz

    Perhaps the “who” question is best broken down into a more specific questions that could actually be answered

    How many people is involved in the cover-up ?
    Who needs to be kept quiet since they would know ?
    Who were the Building 7 security guards and occupants 2 month before 911?
    Who and how many professionals from various discipline that need to be involved to pull off something of this magnitude?
    How many people you need to kill to bury the evidence ?
    How does Larry Silverstein or Mossad funnel the money to pay for everything ?

  321. @Ron Unz

    But these sorts of issues seem of little ultimate significance…

    That would depend on the objective. If one’s goal is to merely make a case that the US government has not only lied concerning 9/11, but also participated in the attacks, then you would be correct. However, one can be “more ambitious”:

    – the fact that no planes were crashed into the towers automatically means that the most powerful if not almost all military intelligence services on the planet were aware of this fact, since they have their own engineers, and the relevant technical demonstration to make is relatively simple

    – the awareness of some particular countries is not exactly consistent with what we imagine current geopolitics to be. It does not necessarily mean that everyone is completely in league, but simplistic nemesis-to-empire narratives become less easy to accept

    – the fact that underground nuclear devices were used to bring down the towers may potentially (surely) involve particular organizations such as earthquakes and nuclear detonation monitors. Likely foreign countries too

    – the US government and co have both motive and capability to delay in-depth investigation until the entire world forgets or stops caring, and we do not wish to assist them in that, because…

    – no offense to Fukuyama, but history has not yet come to an end, and we have no guarantee that such an event will not happen once again (not necessarily at the hand of the US). So long as world publics do not gain a modicum of experience in these matters, they will always be immobilized in stupor when there ought to be more decisive action. That would include all dissidences and “truth movements” of the future

    The particulars of 9/11 are not reducible to a physics problem. The real world is not divided into a physics class, a geopolitics class, an economics class, etc… Everything is continually interacting and co-producing

    all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

    I would agree that endless debate is one of the goals of the 9/11 manoeuvre, in the way it was engineered (I call it a “strategic PsyOp”). That said, concluding that it tends to crowding out the who and why is an overstatement, since there is minimal disagreement in the TM over the involvement of the US and Israel at the minimum. One may reply that what is meant are the particular US organizations involved, but one cannot really figure that out so long as they do no face up to what has actually been done

    Thanks to Brás Cubas for citing my article (a modest one in many ways, but one that had to be done because so few speak of this). The latest version on the blog has some more links, more information, and some passages that may have been obscure have been reformulated and made clearer:
    https://minorinput.wordpress.com/2020/02/20/epistemic-control-the-case-of-francois-roby-and-9-11-research/
    The only thing I gain is public awareness of Dr. Roby’s work and of its profound pertinence

  322. @Ron Unz

    these sorts of issues seem of little ultimate significance…

    That would depend on the objective. If one’s goal is to merely make a case that the US government has not only lied concerning 9/11, but also participated in the attacks, then you would be correct. However, one can be “more ambitious”:

    – the fact that no planes were crashed into the towers automatically means that the most powerful if not almost all military intelligence services on the planet were aware of this fact, since they have their own engineers and the relevant technical demonstration to make is relatively simple

    – the awareness of some particular countries is not exactly consistent with what current geopolitics is generally imagined to be. This does not imply that everyone is completely in league, but simplistic nemesis-to-empire narratives become less easy to accept

    – the fact that underground nuclear devices were used to bring down the towers may potentially (surely) involve particular organizations such as earthquakes and nuclear detonation monitors, since underground nuclear detonations release a powerful signal that travels long distances. Likely powerful foreign countries too will be involved

    – the US government and co have both motive and capability to delay in-depth investigation until the entire world forgets or stops caring, and we do not wish to assist them in that, because…

    – no offense to Fukuyama, but history has not yet come to an end, and we have no guarantee that such an event will not happen once again (not necessarily at the hand of the US). So long as world publics do not gain a modicum of experience in these matters, they will always be immobilized in stupor at the decisive moment. That would include all dissidences and “truth movements” of the future

    The particulars of 9/11 are not reducible to a physics problem. The real world is not divided into a physics class, a geopolitics class, a law class, an economics class, etc… everything is continually interacting and co-producing

    all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

    I would agree that endless debate is one of the objectives of the 9/11 manoeuvre, in the way it was engineered (I call it a “strategic PsyOp”). Maximum craziness in the implementation means maximum disbelief => maximum ostracization of a truther the deeper they go => maximum discord and polarization in the TM. That said, saying that the how tends to crowd out the who and why is rather an overstatement, since there is minimum disagreement in the TM as to US and Zionist involvment at the very least; the same goes for the more obvious objectives of the op. One may reply that what is meant is the particular organizations involved, but one cannot really know this so long as they do not face up to what has actually been done. I refer you back to the points made just before

    Thanks to Brás Cubas for citing my article (a modest one in many ways, but one that had to be done because so few speak of this). The latest version on the blog has some more links, more information, and some passages that may have been obscure were reformulated and made clearer:
    https://minorinput.wordpress.com/2020/02/20/epistemic-control-the-case-of-francois-roby-and-9-11-research/
    The only satisfaction I gain is that of seeing more public awareness of Dr. Roby’s work and of its profound pertinence

  323. @Jiminy

    wouldn’t some of those chek panels be under tension. And so once they were released from each other as the building collapsed you would expect to see them shoot out with added force

    .

    My intuition is that this possibility is a limited hangout, offered only to obfuscate the issue. They are very common and I realize it is very difficult to sort them all out. Also not being an engineer, I may not be the best person to answer. Building construction is pretty complicated. There are all sorts of beams, girders and columns in various orientations to each other. Engineers rely on computers for such calculations.

    But hey, I’ve been in solitary confinement for a year now, allowed out but once a day, and it seems like they are extending the sentence for another year. So let me take a shot at it. Just don’t take anything as final.

    First, I’m pretty sure a lot more than chek panels were being thrown up in that fountain pattern at a 45 degree angle. You can’t always tell when it’s going by so fast, but there looked to be beams, girders and columns, as well. I think the impaled debris on the neighboring buildings shows the same thing. A lot of pulverized concrete as well, which wouldn’t be subject to tensile forces. The fountains also seemed to be too regular and well-formed for a spring-release mechanism, where the tension forces would vary in a stochastic manner.

    I’ve looked at demolition sequences for quite a few buildings. They should mostly all show similar spring effects if it was a real problem. Look up videos of the Seattle-Kingdome demo, for instance. All kinds of explosions out the side showing destruction of the structural integrity before the building slumped to the ground. (Leaving a huge pile of rubble, by the way.) But in the final analysis the ejecta are mostly limited to small pebble and fist-sized objects and not traveling very far.

    One would think firefighters would be instructed on the safety hazards of spring-tensioned structural members. They are certainly taught the basics of building construction, but the one article I checked says nothing about that particular hazard. I would also think the high temperatures of a fire would quickly diminish the springiness of steel.
    https://www.fireengineering.com/firefighting/building-construction-understanding-loads-and-loading-2/

    Buildings like the WTC are of course overbuilt by a factor of four or so. That should reduce the stress load on any particular element and hence also the force generated when its stress is released.

    Finally, when you put a load on a beam to deflect it from its original straight conformation, you are introducing curvature, and thus oblique angles, which suggests to me that any flinging force will be slightly off center, at an angle. The resulting torque should set the beam to spinning as it is flung out. Think about how a typical diving board at a swimming pool sets the diver’s body in spin. I saw little or none of that.

    • Replies: @xcd
    , @Jiminy
  324. @Iris

    Official( Government) accepted explanation

    The two Towers.
    The towers did fell because the heat softened the steel. That is actually a Bulshit.
    Yes of course the heat decreases yield point of steel but that could deform the the structure above the impact point but the load bearing structure below did remain intact. Now the load did not increase.
    So below impact structure should hold the deformed upper part.

    Building #7
    Official explanation.
    The building fell because of wind caused by falling of towers.
    Now that is a complete idiocy.
    Reinforced concrete structure is extremely heavy with high moment resistance. And huf and puff cold not bring is down. But proof is in the pudding. No lateral movement of parts of the building was visible. (The force was coming horizontal from the side,)
    Now in Hiroshima there were reinforced concrete buildings destroyed by wind but you could see that first the upper part was blown away than gradually the lower part but always horizontally.

  325. @Ron Unz

    Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why

    What you miss is that the How question clarifies the Who question. The parties able to fly an airplane are manifestly different from those who can spend weeks loading every nook and cranny of the WTC up with the purported nano-thermite. In turn they are different from those with the scientific capability of rigging a nuclear device in the sub-basements of the Twin Towers.

    The How also speaks to the magnitude of the evil that was perpetrated that day. That would address the Why among other things.

    If the perpetrators were ever charged and taken to court, how do you think it would go if you can’t establish how the deed was done? Can you seriously imagine a D.A. taking a man to court charged with killing his wife? The defense asks how it was done. The D.A. replies, “We don’t know, we thought it might be arsenic, then we thought stabbing, but oh maybe it was a contract killing. We don’t know but we are morally sure it was him.”

    You’d be laughed out of court.

    Are we getting too close? Over the target perhaps? Getting lots of flak?

    • Agree: Iris
  326. Iris says:

    Chinese governmental press agency CGTN has published a very recent article (18th February) on the experiments and potential breaches of safety at the biological laboratories of Fort Detrick.
    The all but diplomatic statements clearly indicate what the Chinese really think of the origins of SARS-CoV2.

    After mysterious shutdown, Ford Detrick still shrouded in secrecy

    Fort Detrick is located in the quiet suburban town of Fredrick, some 50 miles outside of Washington, D.C. Since World War II, laboratories inside the military base have hosted some of the most dangerous and wicked scientific programs, including experiments for biological weapons.

    Containment facilities inside the complex also host some of the deadliest pathogens known to mankind, also known as “select agents”, which include Ebola, anthrax, smallpox, and SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

    In August 2019, five months before the U.S. reported its first COVID-19 case, experiments involving dangerous microbes like the SARS-CoV were stopped due to a series of safety violations found by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In a statement, CDC officials refused to release further information after citing “national security reasons.”

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-02-18/After-mysterious-shutdown-Ford-Detrick-still-shrouded-in-secrecy-XZkLOGbxcc/index.html

    • Thanks: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Sean
  327. xcd says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Avoid the propaganda words such as collapse and demolition. They are no better than energy weapon, planes, etc.

    Each Tower in turn became dust almost entirely in seconds, with hardly any noise. Only ~50% of the mass of the buildings remained – as ultrafine dust, some twisted steel beams and an underground lake of steel that remained molten for months. Tens of thousands suffered from cancer, though the government disguised the compensation it paid to some as for illness from asbestos, etc.

  328. Tdstype2 says:
    @jamesc

    Guess what, majority is almost always wrong. That is why most democracy are almost always under lousy head of states.

  329. Jiminy says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    No matter what method of destruction took down those buildings, it’s strange that the damn arabs never took out the capitol building, the most sacredest building in the states. And the White House as well if you really wanted to demoralise a society. I’ve never been able to look at an arab the same way since. Useless buggars.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  330. Chinaman says:
    @Iris

    So was it a bioattack or Fort Detrick leak? Ron might have some objections with you flipping around on the matter.

    There are conspiracy theorist like you everywhere but the Fort Detrick story hasn’t really gain momentum in China. Not to mention Ron’s crackpot bioattack thesis. You are a fucking idiot if you don’t see that it is hyperbole and sensationalism to get views, likes and shares.

    You know nothing about Chinese media. Perhaps you should go learn some mandarin before you start opining on it. I was actually surprised that the Chinese are much more rational about the matter than the low I I was actually surprised that the Chinese are much more rational about the matter than the commentary I see in the West.

    Anyway, may be you should start here to get an understanding on China. Professor Zhang Wei Wei was the translator for Deng.

    • Troll: Iris
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  331. Why is it that people gravitate to the most farfetched scenarios when looking at an event instead of the most logical. On the twin towers several demolition contractors who reviewed the films stated that the buildings were brought down by standard demolition charges. The so called squibs from the initial setting off of the thermite can be seen floor by floor. The incredible amount of dust was from the millions of tons of pulverized concrete poured in the welded pans for the floors. You can pulverize concrete with a sledge hammer so high explosives could blow it to dust, and it did. There were no nukes anymore than the fake virus was made in a lab. It has never been shown that viruses are transmissible unless the virus (poison) is injected as with the mRNA chemotherapy.

    The buildings had a lot of traffic at the bottom and an observation deck at the top, otherwise they were mostly empty. That accounts for the fact that there was none of the typical office junk like chairs, desks, water coolers, computers etc. The thermite was set so that the beams were cut to length so they could be loaded on tractor trailers and hauled out. The canal had just been dredged so the debris could also be floated to the pre arranged scrap yards. It had all been set up starting many years in advance. Ten million dollars was made to pay for all of it by insider shorting of the airlines and bond co.’s right before the event. Silverstein had just bought the whole complex for I believe 15 million and collected double indemnity. The fall of building 7 was even announced on the Jew MSM before it fell. This was the Neo-cons “new Pearl Harbor” to begin the attack on Iraq and the non existent WMD’s to supercharge the Yinnon Plan for Greater Israel. This was also when Zionist Rumsfeld couldn’t find the missing trillion dollars at Jewmerica’s Israel Defense Department.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  332. Sparkon says:
    @Mark Tapley

    none of the typical office junk like chairs, desks, water coolers, computers etc.

    It’s conceivable the plotters might have been able to remove most of that stuff, or perhaps it was never there, but nobody could remove elevator cars, staircases, plumbing, toilet fixtures, and other large, heavy, or numerous items that should have been readily apparent in the debris if any kind of normal demolition had been employed on 9/11.

    On the twin towers several demolition contractors who reviewed the films stated that the buildings were brought down by standard demolition charges.

    The two 110-story skyscrapers of the Word Trade Center’s famous Twin Towers used a novel tube-within-a-tube design. There was no precedent for demolishing any high rise structure anything at all like the Twin Towers, so your unnamed demolition contractors are just guessing.

    And in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, so was FEMA’s Building Performance Assessment Team tasked with investigating the disaster

    The BPAT team initially had difficulty in obtaining building blueprints and design drawings from either the City of New York, the Port Authority, the building owners, or the building designers due primarily to liability concerns on the part of the building owners and insurers. Belatedly, however, the team was provided access to these documents in early January.

    U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HEARING
    Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center
    Wednesday, March 6, 2002

    https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=2021

    Clean-up, or destruction of evidence at the WTC began already before dawn on Sept. 12, 2001, but FEMA’s Building Performance Assessment Team didn’t get to look at any of the drawings showing how the two buildings were put together until almost four months later, and then, only after signing various confidentiality and non-disclosure agreements.

    Again, to repeat this critical point: If the Twin Towers had been destroyed by any kind of classical controlled demolition, there would have been substantial heaps of debris over the footprints of the two buildings in the aftermath, but the images show nothing like that.

    In controlled demolitions, critical structural elements are severed in a precisely timed sequence to ensure the building folds in on itself as it falls down. After the demolition, there is a pile of debris within the building’s footprint. Obviously, the demolitions are controlled to avoid splattering destructive debris all over surrounding properties.

    But on September 11, 2001, the destruction of the World Trade Center caused significant damage to all properties surrounding the site, including Fiterman Hall, Verizon Building, World Financial Center buildings 1, 2 and 3, 90 West Wall St., Deutsche Bank Building, NYPD Command Center, One Liberty Plaza, East River Savings Bank, Millennium Hotel, and the Federal Bldg. at Vessey & Church.

    All of these buildings sustained significant damage on 9/11, and at least two were subsequently torn down. Damage to the art deco Verizon Building alone amounted to $1.4 billion. Calling the 9/11 demolitions at the World Trade Center “controlled” is putting lipstick on a pig.

    Far from being classic controlled demolitions, the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 with a very heavy hand indeed.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Mark Tapley
  333. Sean says:
    @Iris

    In America Bat Guano is a comic character in the movie Dr Strangelove, in China it was a traditional medicine; until the Bat Lady got withdrawn they used to consume it and put it in their eyes. It has been known for a DECADE that bats harbour viruses that could decimate other species including humans.

    China is a superpower of a billion people that twice defeated the US in Asian land wars (Korea and then through proxies in Vietnam although there were a third of a million Chinese worker sent to North Vietnam). And all that was when china was third World peasant country .

    If China had been attacked with a bioweapon it would ensuring that nothing like that could ever, ever happen again. It would be doing rather more that obscurely grumbling without actually doping any thing to get themselves taken seriously. Anyone who thinks otherwise need to read some realism, preferably Mearsheimer but if he is too recondite try The Code of the Streets

    https://sociology.yale.edu/publications/code-street-decency-violence-and-moral-life-inner-city
    An individual’s safety and sense of worth are determined by the respect he commands in public—a deference frequently based on an implied threat of violence

  334. @Sparkon

    Blah Blah Blah
    Missing the randomness in pancaking the floors is definite proof of controlled demolition.
    But you could not understand that.
    You do not have in your scull the technical knowledge to understand that.
    Probably you do not have any knowledge in your scull.
    ……………………………………………………………..
    Only empty words.
    Jerk is what you are.

  335. The “discoverer” of Lyme disease, Willie Burgdorfer, tearfully confessed on video that he had in fact manufactured Lyme for the US biowar complex.

    What did he mean by “manufacture?”

    From the book Bull’s Eye by Jonathan Edlow, M.D. (2003) pages 148-149:

    [Dr, David Persing] and his colleagues used PCR [a genetic test] on 102 dried-out or alcohol-preserved tick specimens from the Museum of Comparative Zoology in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The ticks had been collected from various areas in New England between 1945 and 1951 … The researchers also examined another batch of ticks from the Smithsonian collection in Washington, D.C., some dating back as far as 1924. They found ticks that were positive for … B. burgdorferi from Montauk Point and from the adjacent Heather Hills State Park from the mid 1940s.

    Several years later, the same group with additional colleagues reported the results of similar experiments done on tiny biopsy specimens taken from the ears of archived mice from the same museum. They found two specimens that tested positive by PCR analysis for B. burgdorferi from mice originally captured near Dennis, Massachusetts (on Cape Cod), in 1894! [These specimens were genetically] identical to the B31 strain that Willy Burgdorfer had found on Shelter Island.

    European investigators have reproduced these experiments using archived ticks from various parts of Europe including England and have found borrelial [ticks] dating back to the late 1880s as well.

    Edlow goes on to ask why it took so long for Lyme disease to be recognized medically. His answer, in the next chapter, is reforestation and the resulting increase in the population of deer and white-footed mice.

    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Brás Cubas
  336. Sean says:

    https://www.healtheuropa.eu/new-study-shows-lyme-disease-alters-immune-system/104461

    A new study has shown that the bacteria that causes Lyme disease alters the immune system, causing it to attack the healthy cells in the human body.
    The bacteria that causes Lyme disease – Borrelia burgdorferi – has been shown to stop communication between dendritic cells and T-cells, which normally signals for a response against foreign invaders.[…]

    The researchers believe that when the HLA-DRs interact with Borrelia burgdorferi, they are structurally changed and keep the dendritic cells from “marking” the bacterial proteins as foreign, which leads to the dendritic cells attracting T-cells, but instead of attacking the Lyme disease bacteria, instead attacks the healthy cells.

    There are 16 tick-borne diseases of humans currently known, four were discovered after 2013.

  337. Sean says:
    @Mark Hunter

    One is changed forever after catching Lyme Disease, which millions of American have had. As already brought up by me in a previous comment, immune system activation has been posited to cause eccentricity, though I was relating it to current interest in gum disease bacteria as causing such generalized inflammation. In the case of Lyme Disease it is well established that mental disorders of occur.

    The mental health implications may extend beyond depression and even suicide. Case studies suggest that Lyme Disease can be associated with symptoms common to schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, including paranoia, delusions, olfactory, auditory and visual hallucinations, catatonia, and mania. It’s all in your head. Inflammatory reactions and autoimmune symptoms in Lyme disease decrease serotonin and other chemicals that protect brain cells. Inflammation also increases neurotoxins, which might contribute to the neurological and cognitive deficits seen in patients with tick-borne infections. Damage to the hippocampal region of the brain due to the neurotoxins has been associated with depression and dementia. Taken together, there are multiple indications that this tick-borne disease has far-reaching neuropsychiatric implications.

    As he specifically mentioned Lyme, I’m curious to know whether Mr Barrett been bitten by the bug.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  338. From Lyme disease to Barrett. How is life in de Bunker?

    • Replies: @denk
  339. denk says:
    @Majority of One

    sean belongs in my bozo file.

    • Replies: @Sean
  340. @The Alarmist

    The neutron bomb is the other way round. It destroys the serfs, but leaves luverly property intact. I am unsurprised by reports that Israel’s nukes are mostly neutron bombs.

  341. @Mark Hunter

    I won’t take sides because I haven’t read Kris Newby’s book and anyway know next to nothing about this matter, but, for what it’s worth, Newby’s thesis is that what was causing the disease diagnosed as Lyme in the 1970s or around that period was *not* Borrelia burgdorferi, but some bioengineered organism. You can read that in her responses to reviews criticizing her work:

    Kris Newby responds to Telford’s criticism of BITTEN
    https://www.lymedisease.org/newby-telford-bitten-lyme-disease/

    Newby responds to Washington Post’s slam about BITTEN
    https://www.lymedisease.org/newby-responds-wapo/

    • Thanks: Mark Hunter
  342. @Sparkon

    Much information has now been deleted by Jewtube such as the good pictures of the empty towers that were built to be destroyed as another part of the Zionist Agenda. Your FEMA and other gov. sources mean nothing. Just as today with the fake virus, that is all controlled. Note that other than some collateral deaths all of the :”deaths were faked, If you check the social security death list for that date in the state of N.Y. the mortality is about normal just as the mortality is today even with the “covid deaths.” The buildings were gutted to begin with and as I mentioned you can even see the squibs being set off in the normal demolition sequence, with the bottom section knocked out first. The article below is from Direct Democracy (I do NOT advocate their political viewpoint). The video I posted explains about the demolition, It was just a standard demolition job. Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko stated that the buildings were brought down by standard controlled demolition, He also stated that in the U.S. the contractors were afraid to say that or they would not get hired. Soon after he had a “car Accident.”

    [MORE]

    YOU ARE HERE: HOME / FEATURED / 911 THE GREATEST ILLUSION!: THE REAL TRUTH – HOLLOW GUTTED BUILDINGS, POWER DOWN ON 911, FAKE PASSENGERS, FAKE OCCUPANTS, FAKE JUMPERS “COMPLETE PARADIGM SHIFT” ENJOY 🙂
    911 THE GREATEST ILLUSION!: The Real Truth – Hollow Gutted Buildings, Power Down On 911, Fake Passengers, Fake Occupants, Fake Jumpers “Complete Paradigm Shift” Enjoy 🙂
    SEPTEMBER 11, 2012 BY ADMIN

    “The famous Israeli Art Students…were throwing dummies from the 91st floor. They were even filmed practicing!”
    You will need to open up at least 3 browser pages. Don’t be in a hurry, take your time. Everything you need to know about the events of 911 will be answered. View the pages one at a time at first. And then you will see that the article on one, explains the pictures on another.
    Most of the pages provide [ Links ] to every article of fraud connected with the demolition of the three WTC Buildings.
    There are hours worth of information behind the some links.
    We have all been fooled. But don’t be sorry. This was a Masterpiece of Deception. And it cost thousands of lives less. At least here in America.
    We’ve been played since before these towers ever went up. Can you say Rockefeller?
    It’s not a prediction, it’s a Plan!
    [ The Real Truth Behind The Greatest Illusion Of All Time – 9/11 ]
    [ Why are all the Lights off throughout the WTC on 9/11? ]
    [ Hollow Towers & Missing Contents of WTC ]
    [ 48 Millionaires on the 4 Flights of 9/11 and STILL counting! ]
    [ 10 famous People Who Avoided Death On 9/11 ]
    [ Mark Wahlberg Talks Missed 9/11 Flight, Rewrites History Mark-Wahlberg-Style ]
    9/11: WHY WERE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS EMPTY UNTIL JUST BEFORE THE STAGED ATTACK?
    A whole complex is built in Lower Manhatten, crowned with two 110 story iconic skyscrapers, and for nearly three decades after completion they are NOT rented out?
    I mean, World Trade Center-prime real estate in one of the very symbols of American prosperity and power and there’s no renters?
    Why?
    Then, in the 90’s, particularly after the first botched false flag WTC attack in 1993 involving a FBI operative and faulty explosives, the Port Authority gets the towers filled.
    Why?
    Why build multi-billion dollar towers and leave them vacant for nearly 30 years? Why such shoddy building techniques on what is supposed to be an icon-the flaking asbestos? The corroding bolts holding the facade to those towers?
    It would’ve taken many billions more to rebuild the shoddy facade, clean out the asbestos-it would’ve either taken literally disassembling the WTC or demolishing it.
    Why?
    Or maybe that was the point-that this was a deliberately constructed target, designed and built within occult numerological and masonic principles. A target that was to be expended in a false flag attack, which hid a deeper occultic ritual meant to bring about an apocalypse?
    Sounds insane? Yes. Are our leaders insane? Oh yes.
    Go HERE: [ PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA PANYNJ * 1972-2001 ]

    EXCERPT:
    Occupancy Issues:
    What this shows us is something far different then we were told and sold. We have been told through various sources that their were occupancy issues with the twins and that they also had their highest occupancy at the time of the attacks, which we are told was at 95% occupancy.
    We were never informed that the most prime real estate in New York City, in both Towers, never leased until a year or two before 9/11, in most cases. Why? Because it would have been extremely suspicious to people, especially since all of the controversy the PTB knew would be after 9/11.
    Had they told us this, we would have started investigating the companies at the WTC and questioning their alleged employee losses a lot sooner then 9 years out.

    LAST MINUTE LEASING & STACKING OF WTC DECK
    How is it possible, especially considering what happened with the world trade center, to see that all of the upper floors were leased only a few years prior to 9/11? That’s an incredible expanse of time, 26 years in most case, some 28 years, where for instance floor 88 had bare floors and no tenants until 1999. The elevators in the north tower never stopped at floor 88 until mid 1999. Might I ask at this time how it is possible that any lights were ever on on floor 88 before 1999? The entire tops of these towers should have been darkened at night between the years 1972 and 1997-98.
    There were no tenants. No tenants means no lights and dark floors, both during the day and at night, as lights in the WTC were visible in both daytime and night.
    This has all the appearances that the companies were moved into the towers at the very end for the very purpose of 9/11. Either in reality or on paper. These towers were nearly unoccupied for their entire life, and then miraculously found a 95% occupancy heart beat on in 2001, just prior to 9/11.
    PARADIGM CHANGER:
    This is one of those paradigm changers. What you know of the world trade center is a legend that was created and manufactured for your consumption. Any of the documentaries that were created prior to 9/11, about the world trade center, were created by the “builders” of the WTC, and made to create and sell a manufactured legend. The legend was that there were 50,000 people who worked in these towers by and large, for the better part of their life, as they were designed and built for. AS you have just seen, this isn’t even remotely close to being true.
    Between Dave Cole, (kawika) Larry McWilliams and myself, we have spent hundreds of hours studying this occupancy FOIA request over the last 6 months or so, and we haven’t even scratched the surface yet. We would like to request that all of you as a group take lots of time studying this so that collectively we miss nothing. This FOIA is a goldmine. It’s the gift that keeps on giving, a mine that never runs dry. We believe that we have given you an accurate overview of the material so that you will know and be able to scour the spreadsheet as we did and know how to spot things. We need all of your help.
    To say that there were occupancy issues is a gross understatement. The official story seems more then just a little bit hollow.
    Cheers-
    Phil Jayhan, Dave Cole & Larry McWilliams
    Note: This story is the result of the FOIA we obtained and many months of research and thoughtful dissection of the material with many phone calls and off the charts collaboration.
    Posted by J. Croft at 9:49 AM

  343. Poco says: • Website
    @GeeBee

    Eh. Stop testing for “cases” the problem disappears.

  344. Sean says:
    @denk

    Most of the things I am saying about Barrett in regards to immune inflammation and odd thinking as a group selection self isolation adaptation also apply to myself. Ron himself said judging by the time I spent on here, I was the strangest commenter on the site. Maybe I am just the most inflamed.

    The fasting of Ramadan reduces inflammation somewhat. We are into Lent.

  345. @Sean

    This discussion about headcases reminds me of the references to deer ticks in ‘Midsommar.’

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/midsommar-hidden-details/amp/

    • Replies: @Sean
  346. Sean says:
    @Johnny Rico

    New Tick-Borne Disease In Inner Mongolia Found By Chinese Scientists
    Called ALSV, the virus causes headache and fever and was found in Inner Mongolia. Scientists say the discovery illustrates how much we still don’t know about ticks.1 Jun 2019

    Article points out that ticks in New York have been found to have worms inside them that they inject into humans. Maybe something like that happened to Barrett; he looks OK, the other people shown in the photo in his post are in a shocking state. I think that their physical condition is why they are crazy. Barrett thinks so many things are a set up that one wonders if he thinks anything at all is as it seems. If you are going to go for conspiracy theories you may as well think big, and they don’t come any bigger than the Everest of insanity from a physicist who hailed from Calvinist Northern Ireland.

    Calvinists believe that God picked those whom he will save and bring with him to Heaven before the world was created. They also believe that those people God does not save will go to Hell.

    Absolute predestination, there is something very comforting about that.

  347. @Jiminy

    the capitol building, the most sacredest building in the states.

    Since January 6, 2021, Right?

    LOL

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  348. @Chinaman

    I was actually surprised that the Chinese are much more rational about the matter than the low I I was actually surprised that the Chinese are much more rational about the matter than the commentary I see in the West.

    You must get paid by the word. Like Mark Twain, who got seven cents a word and lived by the maxim that short words got him more income:

    “I never write metropolis for seven cents because I can get the same price for city. I never write policeman because I can get the same money for cop” — Mark Twain

    He would, however, have gone for the “low IQ…” sentence you were about to write down instead of using that “commentary” idea you ended up with. Two words for one. Get it?

    I even think he might have edited it to avoid the double I stuck up there in the middle of nowhere.

    Egotistical bastard.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  349. Chinaman says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    He would, however, have gone for the “low IQ…”

    While my atrocious spelling and grammar may reflect more on Apple ‘s deteriorating user interface ( with each update!) than my dyslexia ( and more importantly, my interest on the subject!). Your pedantic obsession with correcting other people’s spelling and Mr Atta’s passport reflect an autistic mind plague by neurosis and OCD.

    Now there’s evidence that a variant of that gene, FOXP2.1, may actually cause us to obsessively correct other people’s grammar, or should that be, to correct their grammar obsessively? The discovery of this gene, alongside new evidence from fMRI scans of brains exposed to real-time grammatical errors, has led some scientists to predict that soon we may be able to find a cure for GPS, for many sufferers a debilitating, off-putting, sociopathic syndrome.

    https://blogs.illinois.edu/view/25/76120

    I guess you are not too happy with the FOXP2.1 designation. A “word” that is definitely too short to describe your problems. Something to do with a smaller Broca’s area.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  350. @Chinaman

    While my atrocious spelling and grammar may reflect more on Apple ‘s deteriorating user interface … than my dyslexia…

    Oh, that is a relief. It’s just dyslexia, you have. A simple reading disorder, And here I thought you had been just too effing lazy to edit a sentence you started out one way, rewrote from scratch, but left both versions in your final copy:

    I was actually surprised that the Chinese are much more rational about the matter than the low I I was actually surprised that the Chinese are much more rational about the matter than the commentary I see in the West.

    Anyway, thanks for the laugh about that FoxP2.1 gene. I hadn’t come across Dennis Baron’s fine satirical humor before.

    Sorry about your apple. Maybe you should give it to your teacher. What grade are you in?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  351. Chinaman says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    And here I thought you had been just too effing lazy to edit a sentence

    Sorry, I have to admit it is more than dyslexia. I can’t stop my brain from farting when I deal with intellecutally dishonest people and other inane subjects. Please excuse me.

    As I have said many times before, I am here because there is no higher concentration of human curiosities on the net than Unz review. It is a treasure trove for any student of the human nature.

    You, sir, is a unique specimen worthy of a deeper examination.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  352. @Chinaman

    I can’t stop my brain from farting

    There you go. You may well be a superspreader.

    And not just of doo-doo.

  353. @Peripatetic Itch

    There is this 6 number again which makes anything holy.

  354. Johan says:

    You can get away with everything, except being a holocaust revisionist. So I see many alt-media writers toying with revisionism, or expressing the right of freedom of opinion, but no one considers it at the present to be worth to take position…. because you’ll be finished. There is something to say for this position, the obsession of the Jew isn’t worth the while. It will come crashing down someday.

  355. JM says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    I appreciate your honest, obviously well informed assessments and apologize for the belated reply.

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