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David Becker has released a new version of the World’s IQ. Each country has a score showing the cognitive abilities of their citizens, this being a blend of genetics and the environment of each country, particularly as regards education and health. The world’s global score is 82. This is 12th percentile rank on the Greenwich Mean Intelligence benchmark of IQ 100. As school teachers used to say in end of year reports: “Could do better”.

What does IQ 82 mean in practical terms? The account below gives the achievements as shown in Western economies, with free education and usually free healthcare, and will need to be adjusted for other economies, probably downwards to account for poorer educational systems and the burdens of ill health.

Here, in broad terms, are descriptions of those in the IQ 75 (5th percentile) to IQ 90 (25th percentile) range.

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-7-tribes-of-intellect/

Tribe 2 “Uphill Battle”

These are the next 20% of the population in terms of ability. They would be 2,000 citizens in the town of 10,000 inhabitants. Learning is somewhat faster, and achievements are of better quality. Learning varies from the slow pace, simple materials and careful supervision already mentioned previously, to very explicit, hands-on training. They tend to credulity, belief in god and superstition. They can locate the intersection of two streets on a map, identify two features in a newspaper sports story, perhaps calculate the total cost of purchases listed in a catalogue, and draw inferences from two identifiable facts and deal with some distractors.

Vocabularies are somewhat larger, computation includes some multiplication and division. In terms of reading they will enjoy a little more depth in terms of content. Employment opportunities include simple assembly and packaging tasks, food preparation, assistant roles in caring professions. They can use some checklists, and procedural guides. The armed services will probably not recruit them, because many of them will take too long to train.

They have a 21% lower survival up to age 76 (Whalley&Deary 2001). They have about a 50% greater risk of hospitalization for schizophrenia, mood disorder, and alcohol-related disorders (Gale et al. 2010) and for personality disorders (Moran et al. 2009) with more self-reported psychological distress (Gale et al. 2009) and with a greater risk of vascular dementia (McGurn et al. 2008).

They will probably have fast lifestyles, with restricted planning and savings. They have more accidents than average, probably twice as many motor vehicle accidents than average. In IQ terms they are between 75 and 90.

As a rule of thumb we can say that in the US the average male at IQ 82 would be earning very roughly $43,000 (in 2011 dollars) as compared with $ 63,500 for men of average intelligence. Naturally, this would be far more than in other countries of the world, but shows the nature of the market penalty for low ability.

Another take on the meaning of intelligence, this post by Anatoly Karlin looks at individual maths test items, and links each item to what it might mean for impact on the economy.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/stupid-people/

For example, here is a level 3 item, which would already be causing trouble to some at the 12th percentile.

There has been a lot of animus against country intelligence scores. As explained before, data quality varies between countries. You already knew that, because if countries really differ in intelligence, that will show in the way they conduct themselves. Some countries will do forward planning, and others will do less. Some will conduct regular censuses and surveys, and others won’t. Some countries may have people who are more willing to cheat than other countries.

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/do-brighter-minds-incline-to-honesty/?highlight=Gachter

Becker has made a number of improvements, all of which are listed in his published spreadsheets. To my mind the best addition is to have an additional column where country IQs are given corrected for sample size and data quality.

The database also includes intelligence estimates derived from scholastic attainment tests. Yes, these ought to be different from intelligence test results, for both practical and theoretical reasons, but in fact they are remarkably similar at the country level. In the chart at the bottom of this post the scores shown are intelligence test results supplemented by PISA and TIMSS scholastic scores, which increases the numbers of countries for which estimates can be given.

Naturally, country level data may obscure regional differences, and caste, tribe, class and religious differences. These are matters of granularity. Some countries are homogenous as regards talent (China may be in this category) others are not (India).

Country IQs may explain how that country conducts its affairs. Intellectual assessments ought to have explanatory value, thus leading to greater wealth, and discrepancies need to be investigated and explained. Two main sources of economic discrepancy are tourism and natural resources: the presence of either can inflate economies which lack human capital.

Another attack on country intelligence comparisons relates to idea that cultures differ so much that standard international assessments are impossible. This is a perilous argument, since if it is truly the case that a particular national culture does not understand the notion of progressions and sequences, or the basics of arithmetic, then there is a temptation to avoid the country completely, at least as regards investment. Indeed, if this were true one should never fly on a national airline of such a country, or drive a car on such a country’s roads.

Here are the key links to Becker’s latest update.

Blogpost: http://viewoniq.org/?p=124
File: http://viewoniq.org/?page_id=9
RG: https://www.researchgate.net/project/Worlds-IQ
There are many points of interest.

The deleterious effects of consanguineous marriage are shown here:

As you know, I don’t do policy, but it would be good to give wider publicity to this graph.

The results for individual countries vary somewhat according to the method used, but these are probably the very best estimates, mostly using psychometric tests but supplementing them with closely correlated maths and science attainment tests, which increases accuracy and country coverage.

This list is useful and you may find it worth printing out. It would fit nicely on the back of a door. Yes, it mixes environmental and genetic effects, but it gives you a rule of thumb as to what countries, on average, are capable of doing. It can be expected that rising standards of living will boost results, though the rate of intellectual improvement has been slow in many newly rich countries despite more education funding. Convergence with European levels might be within 80 to 300 years. Each country will have cognitive elites, though by absolute international standards they will be fewer in countries with lower ability.

Have a look at Becker’s detailed databases, and start testing your hypotheses.

 
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  1. Edward says:

    I’m skeptical when it comes to the use of the mathematics and science achievement tests. Either use IQ tests, or don’t, but you’re opening yourself up to (reasonable) accusations of cultural bias if you use things that aren’t IQ tests. Yes, the rank-order of countries will probably be similar, but the precise IQ values for each country might be profoundly affected if these achievement tests are used.

    Nepal, Guatemala, and Nicaragua have IQs of 43, 48 and 53, respectively? Ghana has an average IQ of 58? India has an average IQ of 76, but Sri Lanka has an average IQ of 87? Iran has an average IQ of 80, but Iraq has an average IQ of 89? Roll to disbelieve.

    The older version of the database (V1.1) – which just used IQ tests, with no “math and science achievement tests” seemed reasonable. In that version, Nepal had an average IQ of 68, Guatemala 68.5, and Nicaragua 69. Ghana’s was 66. India’s was 83, Sri Lanka’s was 84, Iran’s was 82 and Iraq’s was 87. I can believe all of these figures.

    I don’t know what’s happened in this latest update, but some estimates are obviously incorrect. It’s a shame, because this is an interesting subject. If only there were a way to get thousands of people from each country to do a proper, standardized IQ test in the same conditions.

  2. @Edward

    I have asked David Becker to comment.

  3. Dear Edward,

    Thank you for your comment. I agree with you, that some of the very low scores seem unbelievable. I follow the principle: Take the numbers as they are and avoid individual corrections. If scores are too high or too low, then something is wrong with the whole method. Such scores can be corrected easily by applying a lower limit. However, at the moment, I would like to leave this decision to the user. However, these strange numbers are not caused by the inclusion of results from school achievement studies (SAS). Regarding your examples:

    There are no scores from SAS for Nepal, Sri Lanka and Iraq, so the scores are purely based on psychometric tests. India scored 73.57 in SAS vs 74.56 psychometric, Iran scored 81.14 in SAS and 79.40 psychometric, very similar. Ghana is the only one your named with a bigger difference between SAS and psychometrics (54.69 vs. 64.66). A country with a extremely huge difference is Vietnam, which scored 77.39 psychometric (three independent studies, all administered the Coloured Progressive Matrices, give nearly the same results; I contacted one of the authors and asked for limitations or special conditions in testing but we could not find any amnormalities) but 101.21 in SAS. Sri Lanka got a score of 91.31 but it goes down 86.62 when I weighted for data quality and sample size, so the score from the source with the highest quality is closer to India than the others.

    I think the following: At first, Raven’s tests seem to be not as cultural fair as they are often evaluated. Recently, we got some strange results for CPM and SPM+ from South Sudan, which show that tested indivduals have huge problems to give correct answers to the easiest to solve items and fell below the 0.1 British percentile to a great extent (up to 40% of the full sample). At second, a lower limit should be set to national IQs, as shown for the ranks 141-148 in James’ last picture. The next version will have a additional option to activate/deactivate such a limit, however it is not yet clear what value this should have, e.g. Raven’s manuals give scales with a lower limit of 55 (0.1 British percentile), Wechsler scales go down untill 44.

    At the end, it must be made clear again that all numbers represent only approximate values and that quantitative methods are poorly suited for the determination of individual cases, but more to determine global patterns. The advatage of using IQ-test scores instead of SAS-data only is the availability of IQ-test data for many poorer countries which can not participate in the very expensice SAS. I want to recommend the following source as a good analysis of the similarities of results from psychometrics ans SAS:

    Rindermann, H. (2007). The g-Factor of International Cognitive Ability Comparisons: The Homogeneity of Results in PISA, TIMSS, PIRLS and IQ-Tests Across Nations. European Journal of Personality, 21, 667-706.

    Best, David

  4. dearieme says:
    @Edward

    “Nepal, … have IQs of 43”. I know a Nepali with a science PhD from Cambridge. Shouldn’t his existence be impossible?

  5. Yeah right. IQ 82 makes 42000 dollars. IQ 140 can’t make 42000 dollars in this world. Just nonsense lies, I mean statistics.

    • Agree: Tom Welsh
    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Tom Welsh
    , @Karen Lanker
  6. Edward says:
    @David Becker

    Thank you for your reply, David.

    It seems I was wrong about the school achievement studies being massively at odds with the psychometric tests, in most cases. Even so, I’m still rather incredulous.

    I suppose my ultimate question is this: why the profound differences between version 1.1 (and I think 1.2) of the database, and this version? As I said in my first post, the scores in version 1.1 are much more believable.

    I follow the principle: Take the numbers as they are and avoid individual corrections. If scores are too high or too low, then something is wrong with the whole method.

    I am skeptical of this principle. It seems more likely that there are problems in the studies of some individual countries, or the data have been misinterpreted, or inaccurately reported.

    Thank you again for taking the time to respond.

    • Replies: @David Becker
  7. songbird says:

    SE Asia looks off to me. I don’t believe Cambodia would be either as high as that, or higher than Vietnam.

    Of course, I have never been to either country, and am mainly judging 1.) from immigrants to the US, and 2.) the history of the region which seems to imply a lot of movement from China into Vietnam. 3.) Also, physical appearance, which seems to show greater resemblance between Chinese and Vietnamese.

    All imperfect methods, perhaps.

    • Replies: @Chewie111
  8. Chewie111 says:
    @songbird

    I thought the same thing about Cambodia. That green colored IQ level (meaning fairly high) seems like a mirage.

    I’ve been to Cambodia twice, and while the standard of living and infrastructure improved significantly the 2nd time round, it didn’t change the fact the locals were as simple minded as any other brown populated country in Latin America or the rest of Southeast Asia.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Anonymous
    , @TKK
  9. songbird says:
    @Chewie111

    I’ve seen Cambodians that look a lot like Central Americans. I mean, for instance, tattoos on their fingers and arrested for drunk driving. Meanwhile, I have known Vietnamese people who have become pharmacists or engineers.

    • Replies: @Chewie111
  10. Chewie111 says:
    @songbird

    The Vietnamese are among the most stratified of all Asian ethnicities in western countries. Half do great while half seem mired in low-income food service, retail work, or the stereotypical nail salon gig.

    Taiwanese, Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are far more broadly middle class (or higher).

    Cambodian-Americans tend to just stay poor.

  11. @David Becker

    Unfortunately, the cultural differences make even the geometrical tests differ in results. Some have access to geometry learning and abstract thinking and objects, while others do not.

    I assume you used a raven-like IQ test. You could try applying the same test to the POC of a civilized state, see if it marks the same difference as the people of Africa have with the civilized states.

  12. Lloyd says:

    These IQ scores as listed are such a joke. I lived in Sierra Leone for several years. He is claiming that the average IQ there is lower than 60. That means using a standard distribution, the IQ bell curve, a very significant proportion of the population would be seriously retarded and unable to take care of themselves! All you have to do is go actually visit the country to realize what a crock of manure that score of 60 is. People act just as they do everywhere else in the world. Very rarely do you see people drooling, or sitting staring into space, or otherwise acting retarded.
    Great Theory but there’s just one tiny problem: it doesn’t correspond to reality.

  13. Edward says:
    @Chewie111

    You’re right about Vietnamese stratification: an almost equal number of Vietnamese-Americans have a Bachelor’s Degree or higher, and less than a high school diploma. Cambodian-Americans actually don’t do too badly, but you’re correct that they’re still on average poorer than Vietnamese-Americans.

  14. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme

    1. Fat tails!
    2. There is no way 43 can be correct. That’s not even enough to cross a road.

  15. @Lloyd

    Thank you for your observations. It is natural that we should assume that an IQ performance in the 60 to 70 range indicates the sorts of difficulties shown by Europeans of that level of intelligence.

    Jensen had the same reaction when testing white and black children in California. Low scoring white children looked weird, and acted funny. Black kids looked normal and acted normal. Jensen, quite understandably, concluded that his tests were biased.

    After conducting more testing, and doing some searching interviews as to what the children knew and could do in real life, he came to a different set of explanations.

    Here are some of those explanations:

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-does-iq-70-mean-for-black-and/

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/funny-looking-kids-and-normal/

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @segundo
  16. Edward says:
    @Chewie111

    For evidence of my statements about Cambodian-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans, see the following two links, which disaggregate Asian-Americans by income, educational attainment, and so on.

    https://equitablegrowth.org/how-data-disaggregation-matters-for-asian-americans-and-pacific-islanders/

    https://computinged.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/disaggregating-asian-american-educational-attainment/

  17. AaronB says:
    @James Thompson

    Yes, and an IQ of 130 seems to mean something different for an Asian and a white person, or an English person and a Polish person.

    It’s a remarkable thing how similar IQ scores can mean something completely different among different population groups, yet nevertheless be measuring the same thing and be totally valid.

    Absolutely remarkable.

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @James Thompson
    , @kelvin150
  18. Elma says:

    I am living at Turkey. I see this article in Eksi Sozluk. And now I forget my name. Cuz my iq level maximum 87

    • Replies: @Erim
    , @Anon
    , @Tom Welsh
  19. ganstett says:

    Do you understand the difference between an individual and a statistical distribution for a group?

  20. @AaronB

    Same levels, probably different balance of causes.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  21. AaronB says:
    @James Thompson

    If a given IQ “manifests” as different ability and accomplishment levels, based on population, then this fact should at the very least be noted.

    Especially since one of the main uses IQ is put to is to asses cross-racial ability.

  22. CM says:

    I just find it really hard to believe Iraq has a higher IQ than Armenia and Iran. Armenians are known to be fairly smart, and Iraqis aren’t exactly known for their accomplishments (even compared to other Arab nations). Armenia also ranks around the same as Australia, Czech Republic and the USA in the TIMSS scores.

  23. skeptical says:

    https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

    ““IQ” is a stale test meant to measure mental capacity but in fact mostly measures extreme unintelligence (learning difficulties), as well as, to a lesser extent (with a lot of noise), a form of intelligence, stripped of 2nd order effects — how good someone is at taking some type of exams designed by unsophisticated nerds. It is via negativa not via positiva. Designed for learning disabilities, and given that it is not too needed there (see argument further down), it ends up selecting for exam-takers, paper shufflers, obedient IYIs (intellectuals yet idiots), ill adapted for “real life”. The concept is poorly thought out mathematically by the field (commits a severe flaw in correlation under fat tails; fails to properly deal with dimensionality; treats the mind as an instrument not a complex system), …”

  24. El Dato says:
    @dearieme

    Yetis showed up for the test.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  25. I think the IQ estimates for Southeast Asia are too high. I’ve seen Thailand as low as ~86.

  26. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    IQ isn’t supposed to be a measure of accomplishment though. It’s supposed to be a measure of intelligence.

    Analogously, one person 7 ft. tall might be an accomplished professional basketball player, another person 7 ft. tall might not be. Height isn’t a measure of accomplishment in basketball; it’s a measure of vertical dimension.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Sparkon
  27. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    White and black Americans are roughly the same in average height, with black Americans slightly lower at a bit over 5’9″, and white Americans around 5’10”. But their ability and accomplishment level in the NBA are quite different. This would suggest that different factors are involved. Height measures vertical dimension, not ability and accomplishment in the NBA.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Bill Jones
  28. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lloyd

    Perhaps it’s only whites that have an IQ of 60 drool and look into space (because they usually have severe health problems) but West Africans with such an IQ are normal for their race so they are more functional.

  29. @CM

    Maybe the dumb Iraqi’s were slaughtered in the recent genocide by Americans, Intelligence should have some survival advantage.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @gate666
  30. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Achievement in the NBA is the most meaningless measure of anything one could imagine and anyone who even considers it really needs their head to be examined.

  31. @CM

    It probably reflects some immigration bias in favor of more functional Armenians, but the ones in the U.S. I’ve dealt with like to hold onto their money, given how they try to haggle over transactions in situations where other Americans would just take or leave the quoted price. The ability to handle personal finance well serves as a good proxy for practical intelligence.

  32. The global IQ data show the problem with the assumption in countless science fiction stories that humanity as a whole as the potential to create the kinds of competent advanced civilizations which can colonize other worlds, like in the SyFy/Amazon TV series, The Expanse, with its in-your-face diversity propaganda.

    No, apparently humanity as a collective doesn’t have that potential at all.

    I suspect this realization lies behind why some of America’s elites have floated the notion of a Green New Deal (GND). They realize on some level that they have to dismantle and dumb down America’s current energy system because as the country rolls over demographically in another couple generations into a population of people cognitively best suited for stoop labor, it won’t have enough of a smart fraction to run what we have now.

    Nuclear power, especially, makes a high cognitive demand on a society – it literally became possible because of the thinking of our species’ best minds, whereas any able-bodied dumbass can dig coal out of the ground and burn it- so it has go away in the GND as America becomes the land of the stupid.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  33. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    IQ isn’t supposed to be a measure of accomplishment though.

    Indeed.

  34. OReally says:

    A better title would have been:
    How Psycopathology correlates with intelligence.
    Or, How colonialism lowered the world’s IQ.
    Orl Why IQ has no correlation with survival skills.
    Or How I wasted my life measuring a meaningless cultural artifact because I had a high IQ.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @utu
  35. Brett says:

    As you know, I don’t do policy, but it would be good to give wider publicity to this graph.

    That graph looks all over the place with next to no r-squared value. Trying to fit a neat linear relationship seems ridiculous in light of that data. I wouldn’t have confidence showing anyone that graph.

    • Replies: @res
  36. res says:
    @Brett

    That graph looks all over the place with next to no r-squared value. Trying to fit a neat linear relationship seems ridiculous in light of that data. I wouldn’t have confidence showing anyone that graph.

    From the original source
    Blogpost: http://viewoniq.org/?p=124

    r=-.51; N=76; p<.001

    So an R^2 of 0.25. Hardly "next to no r-squared value" or "ridiculous." My understanding is 0.5 is considered a large correlation in the social sciences:
    http://www.psychology.emory.edu/clinical/bliwise/Tutorials/SCATTER/scatterplots/effect.htm

    That is enough variance left to be explained to be interesting though. I wonder how much additional predictive power a model including the continental racial averages would give.

  37. Ok wow. Nothing else to say. The numbers are stupidly wild

  38. Pablo says:

    No one seems to have noted the much lauded Ashkenazi high iq isn’t apparent. Israel is in the low 40’s. Guess they should have stayed in khazaria to up the score. Or maybe Japanese are the real chosenites

  39. kelvin150 says:
    @AaronB

    > It’s a remarkable thing how similar IQ scores can mean something completely different among different population groups, yet nevertheless be measuring the same thing and be totally valid.

    It is only in your remarkably confused head and in not in anybody else’s mind that for a given IQ score the performance in any environment will be be same. You are setting up your very own fictitious straw man to shoot down. IQ is IQ for relative ranking and performance is performance and the link between the two is elastic and relativistic. You don’t seem to be able to juggle two balls at the same time, always doing your sleight of hand con tricks. A one eye man is king among the blind. Someone with IQ 90 can be (and has to be) the medical doctor in population with average IQ of 75.

    IQ is assessed with respective to fixed sets of testing materials. Your thinking is like if the absolute height (with respect to the fixed “mean sea level”) of the waterline is 100 m and the relative freeboard of a ship is 30 m above the waterline and thus at a absolute height of 130 m. Now you are asserting that the ship should still be floating when the tip of the freeboard is still at absolute height of 130m when the absolute height of the waterline is 140 m.

    Absolutely remarkable logic. I hope you are not a sailor.

  40. goatweed says:

    Why don’t Singapore’s Malay and Indian populations pull down the country’s score?

  41. I would love to see Ron Unz’s reply to this. I think he would rightfully be sceptical of anyting that says the average Central American is fucking retarted. Him and Freed Reed have a good point on this one.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Republic
  42. These stats never take into account people who live with high cortisol levels, meaning stress, which is known to interfere with intellectual abilities. Someone I know had IQ of 165. He graduated by the time he was 14. But he lied about his age and at 16 joined the military and was sent to Korea during that “war”. Subsequently, he did not do much of anything. He went to college for awhile and even helped teach Physics, but soon dropped out. He only held menial level jobs and was never able to hold jobs for long. He had a drinking problem as well.

    So, I don’t think you can always determine a person’s intelligence just by the successes they have. Even people like George Orwell, Ayn Rand, to name just 2, died in poverty.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @RobRich
  43. Okechukwu says:

    Dr. Thompson is a bright shining example of a white guy with a high IQ who is actually not particularly smart. Res is another prime example of this high IQ/imbecility dichotomy.

    Imagine posting a map that has Africans with IQ’s at 60 and below and expecting to be taken seriously. The expectation that he could get away with it indicates a profound level of stupidity. IQ’s in this range are Down Syndrome territory.

    Do Africans behave like Down Syndrom sufferers?

    Are African athletes automatically relegated to the Special Olympics?

    Are Africans denied Driver’s Licenses?

    Are African students anywhere in the world confined to special education classes or classes for the developmentally disabled?

    The answer to every one of these questions is a BIG FAT NO! Yet Dr. Thompson would have us believe that the average African is retarded. But who’s really retarded, the Africans or the person who thinks they are?

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • LOL: res
  44. dewdds says:
    @Edward

    If standard education was offered to the low outliers, then the tests in science and math would improve. I do agree that standard IQ tests are the best measure for general intelligence. Talent in science and math, however, is a natural function of the g measure of IQ.

  45. Fennesz says:

    “I’m skeptical when it comes to the use of the mathematics and science achievement tests. ”

    I’m skeptical of just about any national IQ figures. Why? Because this research has, for nearly the past 20 years now, been defined by the work of Richard Lynn, a liar, a charlatan and a fraud who for the most part pulled the figures in IQ&TWON out of his ass, but that hasn’t stopped “researchers” ever few years from trying to validate his work as if they’re gospel. “AKSHUALLY, these IQ figures- even if he basically made most of them up- are perfectly valid, as shown by these “scientific achievement tests” which are JUST AS GOOD as regular IQ tests!”

    For perspective, consider Jason Malloy of GNXP, who used to be a huge fan of Richard Lynn, finally started to realize he was mostly full of shit: https://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/06/hvgiq-burma/

    “A long time ago I checked through his China references and almost none of them even contained IQ data! It was totally baffling. I have 100s of Chinese studies, many of them in Chinese. I would love to start working on the China post, but it would be a crazy amount of work, and I would probably need a good Chinese collaborator.

    You are right, though. I have not carefully examined them, but many studies from rural China report IQ scores in the 90s, 80s and lower.”

    Not surprising- after all, Lynn’s IQ score for Equatorial Guinea came from a sample of mentally disabled white spanish children (a case of academic malfeasance that should have had him struck off as an authority years ago), so it’s not surprising he’d fabricate date throughout China, to prove asians everywhere have 100+ IQ’s like the comparatively tiny immigrant populations in the West. Nobody bothers to look into these things though, and it resonates with many HBDers, where asiaphilia is rampant, often manifesting with asian wives and a fixation on anime and japanese video games.

    Or this: https://humanvarieties.org/2014/07/16/hvgiq-thailand/

    ““What has made you notice all these errors you haven’t before?”

    Analyzing the data for this website. My attitudes have developed and will continue to develop based on what I find.

    (As far as Lynn goes, I think I was first most appalled by that list of fake numbers from a hoax website that he submitted to P&ID in 2012. It took me 15 minutes to discover that that dataset was a fraud. Every number I looked at was fake. Lynn didn’t bother checking one study, and apparently the peer reviewers couldn’t be bothered either. I can’t believe that that paper still hasn’t been retracted.)”

    He’s talking about a site purporting to list penis size by country. Intelligence, to this day, still hasn’t redacted this atrocious article.

    This isn’t even going into Rushton, who’s biography details gems like his multiple marriages and an affair with a married black woman resulting in a mixed-race son, his spousal abuse, his attempt to use grant money to pay for a divorce and more- all hallmarks of a man with a personality disorder who’s sexual pathology permeated his work (not exactly a modern day Galileo): http://eginotes.blogspot.com/2018/07/rushton-roissy-and-bezos-oh-my.html

    Less known is that towards the end of his life, Rushton also endorsed one of the works of Arthur “WE WUZ EVERYONE” Kemp, finding his claims that Ancient Egypt was a “nordic desert empire” to be “very convincing”: https://barnesreview.org/product/the-children-of-ra-artistic-historical-and-genetic-evidence-for-ancient-white-egypt/

    “A truly magnificent rendition. Fabulous photos plus DNA. Very convincing.”–Dr. J. Phillipe Rushton, Ph.D., D.Sc.

    One wonders what other gems a future biography might turn up of the fellow autistic charlatan Richard Lynn.

    And of course Japan has the world’s highest IQ, a totally believable 107, which doesn’t at all reflect the asiaphilia of HBD spergs and the right-wing fixation on GRORIOUS NIHON!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Okechukwu
    , @Talha
  46. tamo says:

    The IQ for Cambodia can not be right.

  47. sarz says:

    Since India is well over a billion people of many different racial groups, it would be good to see a breakdown by states, and within the states the various sub-castes and ethnic groups.

    This is not a topic that gets any attention in India, but it would seem to be of great relevance to political discussions. For example, what if the average IQ of Kashmiris is way above that of the average Indian?

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  48. What is the difference between intellect and intelligence?

    Intelligence is your nature.

    It is inborn.

    It is your very being.

    Intelligence is that which arises within you every moment.

    You can call it intuition, call it consciousness, call it no mind, call it meditation.

    These are names, different names for the same thing.

    You can give it any name, it does not matter, names don’t matter in this world of real existence.

    There is no language of intelligence.

    There cannot be by the very nature of the phenomenon.

    It happens beyond mind and language is part of the mind…

    https://whenwardisappears.wordpress.com/

  49. Intelligent people are more honest not because they are afraid to be caught in lie.
    Intelligent people do find dishonesty and lying to be pathetic and degrading.

  50. @OReally

    “…Or, How colonialism lowered the world’s IQ…”

    Yes, please explain how the introduction of modern technology, infrastructure, healthcare and education ( all byproducts of colonialism) “lowered the world’s IQ”.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  51. @Edward

    There were a lot of changes in methods and used data from 1.1 to 1.3.2, since 1.1 was an experimental one. There were also a lot of errors and inaccuracies in 1.1. If you open die UPDATE.txt of V1.3.2, you can see a full history of all changes since the first version. http://viewoniq.org/?page_id=9

    Best, David

  52. Ike says:

    The whole idea of IQ is a dubious concept and ironically makes one wonder about the intelligence of the purveyors of this nonsense.
    The individual cannot be separated from his/her environment and many so called primitive cultures live this inherently making them more intelligent than those who are trapped in individual egos. A European academic may not have the “intelligence” to survive in an arid wasteland while a resident African may do it with ease.

    • Replies: @carstairs
  53. SafeNow says:

    I confess to being mislead by a masking effect. When I observe adroit and constant smartphone use, I wildly over-estimate the intelligence and status of the user. That smartphone user appears to be juggling urgent, demanding, highly complex responsibilities. I have this reflex because I am old; back in the day, it was only a surgeon, on-call, using his pager, who behaved that way. Now everyone, everywhere, is a surgeon. For a moment; I fight the initial reflex; but I must struggle to correct my initial reaction.

  54. @Pablo

    It’s antisemitic to notice that, you monster.

    The standard bullshit apologia will be that occupied Palestine is ~20% Arab, so the occupiers will have diligently ensured that their aggregate IQ data will include 20% Arabs (although anywhere else one finds (((them))), (((they))) diligently ensure that the data only includes test scores from elite strudents, and specifically excludes the whackballs).

    The myth that Ashkenazi IQ is σ above the goyim really is something into which people should look. I know Vox Day has his view on it, but I have never bothered to establish whether or not he’s talking out of his arse (that’s my prior).

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @notanon
  55. John115 says:

    And the conclusion would be,

    We need better intelligence tests.

    Human intelligence is far more than simple logic skills most of today’s tests mainly focuses on.

    In general, and in a scientific matter, what today’s tests actually measure is your skills at solving
    that particular IQ-test.

    Current questions are simple, most likely one dimensional logical or visual problems on a paper. We can draw some conclusions from correlations on demographic factors based on people ability to solve these tests, but they are by no means anything more than an vague tendency. Current IQ scores would never be empirically significant on a low std. deviation measuring general intelligence or cognitive abilities, when we don’t even know the edges of the spectrum of our own abilities.

    The focus should be on nevrobiology and going back to scratch on how to more accurately defining our cognitive ability.

    It’s very difficult for a person with far above cognitive abilities to try explain the differences to a “normal” person when they have no grasp of it.

    Let’s just say that the actual definition of intelligence is pattern recognition. I don’t think many understands the scale of this. That means patterns in about everything you can imagine. Example; Facial expressions that imply manipulations. The brain sends signals to the facial muscles before consciousness about what to think about a particular matter. That means, if your fast enough recognize facial patterns you will grasp the intention of the other being before its conscious of it itself. Other example; fractals and fibonacci ratios in everything made natural. The solar system, a flower, a mountain, universes etc. As well stock markets and the weather, which are what many like to call caos systems. These are some of the hardest patterns to predict but it is to some degree possible.

    • Replies: @Juchen
    , @Levtraro
  56. well says:
    @Pablo

    64% to 65% of the citizens of Israel are NOT Ashkenazi, even officially. Among those 35-36% who ARE listed as Ashkenazi, there are lots of people with all kinds of mixed background, like three-quarters non-Jewish Russian. (In addition, there are many non-citizen residents like foreign workers, African migrants, long-term tourists and strange fans of Israel or Palestine and the like, or Christian missionaries, altogether mostly not Ashkenazi, but I don’t know how much those are taken account of in the IQ number stated.)

    This is explicitly not to say “the Ayrabs dumb down the average”, but Israel = Ashkenazi is quite wrong. (Still about 35-36% more correct than Ashkenazi or Jewish or Israel = Khazarian, but what do you expect from anti-Semites.)

  57. @skeptical

    I think that if you are going to quote Taleb on my blog you should at least make reference to my reply to his claims.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/swanning-about-fooled-by-algebra/

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/in-the-wake-of-the-swan/

    • Agree: atlantis_dweller
  58. The best data available is not always great. I was surprised to find us in Ukraine rated at 90. Investigating, I am pleased to find that Becker provides all of his data. Kudos for that! Then I find (worksheet REC, line 596) that there is a single test for Ukraine, given to 132 individuals aged 14 to 17. I was also surprised to see neighboring Belarus at 102. Sample size is OK – 6912. However, it is 6 year olds, a single test.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  59. Erim says:
    @Elma

    Dear Elma,
    Unfortunately your answer to this article explaines why we have such a low IQ level in this list.

  60. @Pablo

    Michael Woodley of Menie and Ed Dutton recently provided a fascinating statistic. The Standard Deviation of Japanese IQ is only 13, compared with 15 for the west. That would support the observation that while they are smart as a people, they have no more geniuses than Europe or North America. Or Israel.

    Japanese samples are also mostly kids. By the arithmetic – fuzzy at best – if they are at 108, with a SD of 13, there would be a crossover at 160 (=100 + 4×15, also 108+4×13).

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  61. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    I agree with the troll’s snark. $42,000 with an 82 IQ? The U.S. military won’t let you enlist with that IQ. Below 85 is considered unemployable in the modern economy. That’s why discussion of a universal basic income has been heating up recently. With automation and the elimination of most repetitive, supervised jobs, you’ve got 20 percent of the country on the dole one way or another.

  62. @Anonymous

    Average height being similar tells nothing of the shape of the (supposed) bell curve. Blacks could well have fatter tails and therefore many more times the number of seven footers.

    • Replies: @anon
  63. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lloyd

    Well, I lived in several African countries for years and saw plenty of black people simply “staring into space” when not busy. Coming from Europe, it was very weird seeing people literally vegetating in their spare time. I also worked with them and immediately noticed stark differences in ability. This was so glaringly obvious that I can only assume your little story is a lie.

    People act just as they do everywhere else in the world.

    LOL, no.

    • Replies: @Juchen
    , @utu
  64. Bruno says:
    @skeptical

    « It’s via negativa not via positiva » 😂😂😂

    there is a capacity for symbolic bullshiting in the levant that even Greeks and Romans couldn’t deal with.

    It’s via semitica not via occidentalis.

  65. Anon[344] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Elma

    Darling your iq does not have a limit of 80 something.
    The study just shows the mean of turkey is 87. There will be elite people in your country who are well above that, say even 140. Also there will be much less achievers. Imagine a gaussian curve.
    As stated before, the study represent what MIGHT be expected when you encounter a random person from a country.
    Needless to say, these test all have western biased design by nature and does not represent individual capabilities.

  66. @Chewie111

    In my experience a lot of successful „Vietnamese“ immigrants in the US tend to be ethnic Chinese from Vietnam. Chinese in Vietnam were like Jews were in Russia.

    • Replies: @songbird
  67. Tom Welsh says:
    @obwandiyag

    I agreed with obwandiyag because it happens that my IQ (according to Mensa) is 164 – exactly double the cited “average”.

    Apparently I am far too clever to be an executive, attorney or chemist – those occupations are suitable for the relatively stupid IQ 130s.

    Yet in fact I have never achieved any special distinction or success. I am now retired after a very dull career in which I never rose above the lowest level of employee, and barely earned enough money to keep my family in reasonable comfort.

    When I was about 6 my mother gave me a little book called “Intelligence Tests Are Fun”. I found that to be so, and went through the book quickly. Ever since I have enjoyed doing IQ tests and similar puzzles.

    No one is going to persuade me that such practice – especially in early years – does not confer an advantage. Moreover there is obviously some cultural bias – to take a gross example, how is someone who has never seen an analog clock going to cope with questions that involve clock faces and hands? About as well as a typical American would cope with questions involving the flora and fauna of the Amazon basin.

    If such a person were parachuted into the Amazon to live, for example, with the Yanomamo, they might well think him pretty stupid. If he even survived, that is.

  68. Tom Welsh says:
    @David Becker

    “If scores are too high or too low, then something is wrong with the whole method”.

    Intuitively, that seems very likely.

  69. Tom Welsh says:
    @Lloyd

    “Great Theory but there’s just one tiny problem: it doesn’t correspond to reality”.

    Hey! Just like classical economics.

  70. Tom Welsh says:
    @AaronB

    ‘If a given IQ “manifests” as different ability and accomplishment levels, based on population, then this fact should at the very least be noted’.

    Very true, and very important. Especially as it reduces the whole exercise to sterile theory with virtually no implications for real life.

  71. Tom Welsh says:
    @CM

    “Iraqis aren’t exactly known for their accomplishments…”

    Apart from creating and maintaining the Western world’s first civilizations, 5000 years before the USA was founded.

    And having a better grasp of finance and credit than modern bankers (see Michael Hudson and David Graeber).

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @AnonFromTN
  72. Tom Welsh says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Maybe the dumb Iraqi’s were slaughtered in the recent genocide by Americans…”

    Tempting hypothesis. But from what I heard the slaughter was pretty much equal-opportunity. Except for the “wise guys” who were in the know and got out of the country (ironically, mostly to America where they have thriven).

    • Replies: @homahr
  73. Tom Welsh says:
    @Pablo

    From what I have heard (I have no relevant personal experience) Jewish people’s assumed advantage in commercial and financial life is almost wholly cultural – due to growing up and living with people who make those activities their primary business.

    Although of course Jewish people have also excelled in science, the arts and politics.

  74. The following is an explanation by a late judge of the Supreme Court of Canada explaining that an equal amount paid sooner does not constitute a higher rate. He was a white male and considered one of the most intelligent judges. Would someone on this forum please give me an honest estimation of this man’s IQ based on this decision that now accounts for an amount of money greater than all debt in Canada? He was not corrupt, and he absolutely believed what he wrote.

    ____

    It has long been said…that interest at the rate of ten percent per annum calculated monthly [the nominal method] is more than 10% per annum calculated yearly [the effective method]. This is so only if one assumes the recipient of the monthly payment puts the money to work during the balance of the year and consequently accumulates interest. Such is not the case if x percentum per annum is payable annually. If one does not make the assumption that the interest is reinvested during the balance of the year then ten percent per annum is the same whether paid annually or monthly. Hence the issue here really involves the application, as a quasi-rule of law, of the reinvestment principle.

  75. gate666 says:
    @Bill Jones

    do ypu actually believe this.

  76. puck says:

    Forget about the Middle East or Asia. I think the most ‘entertaining’ result is the USA average IQ score of 100 which is the actual, biased ‘center figure’ here where the world map is created from.

  77. ELO says:

    @AaronB

    Could you elaborate on what (in your opinion) high IQ score mean for different societies?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  78. VladiRad says:

    Ive played NBA 2K with ghetto, 70 something IQ blacks for years and there’s not even a reaction time gap. And you can tell when youre playing against an actual slow person, which happens very rarely. The ghetto blacks do tend to be worse/more mediocre at the game, but theyre not literally RETARDED.

    The fact that 75 IQ blacks are far more functional than 75 IQ whites (literally helmet-wearing droolers) clearly exposes a problem with the metric, at least at that level.

    • Replies: @res
  79. So J-pan is the only country in the blue. Why then has not Japan produced a Fermi, a Bethe, or a von Neumann? Let alone a community of them.

  80. Epigon says:

    At IMO:

    Serbia has 11 golds, 25 silvers, 28 bronzes and 11 honourable mentions in 13 appearances.

    Croatia has 5 golds, 22 silvers, 68 bronzes and 33 honourable mentions in 26 appearances.

    Slovenia has 0, 4, 35, 57 respectively, in 26 appearances.

    Bosnia has 0, 6, 45, 52 respectively, in 26 appearances.

    Slovenia – 99, Croatia – 96 , Serbia – 90 , Bosnia – 89

    Russia – 96 (!!!), Belarus – 102 (!!!)

    Riiiiiiight.

    LOL at honesty and rule breaking “graphs”.

  81. VladiRad says:

    60 IQ blacks – drug dealing cannibals in Sierra Leone
    60 IQ whites – banging their heads against the wall, can’t even eat

    Clearly the metric goes kinda haywire in this range. Also didnt Koko the Gorilla score like 85? That really came in handy…

  82. NoopNoop says:
    @dearieme

    I’m guessing you’re in the “uphill battle” group.

    It’s a bell curve. that mean’s there are fewer like him on the far ends, not none.

    • Replies: @JosephB
    , @astrolabe
    , @dearieme
  83. akka says:

    One might ask, ‘What is president Trump’s IQ?’ But a more relevant question would be what is the average IQ of the people who elected him?
    Just kidding, we all know that gullibility is not immediately related to intelligence. (and you really had no other choice. )
    Would anybody agree that if Putin were a citizen of your country you would rather vote for him?

  84. Epigon says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Apart from creating and maintaining the Western world’s first civilizations, 5000 years before the USA was founded.

    1. Not Iraqis

    2. You are behind the curve. Copper smelting, tin bronze making, metallurgy – 4000-6000 BC – Vinča culture. As well as large settlements, cultural uniformity across large area (lower Danube) and an obvious (proto-)script.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  85. Alfred says:
    @advancedatheist

    The notion that the 3rd world only needs to borrow some more money from the IMF/World Bank to become rich is total nonsense as this data demonstrates rather well.

    In fact, it is far more likely that Western Europe and the USA will join the 3rd world than the converse.

  86. Epigon says:

    Hasn’t anyone looked at these figures and said to himself: “Wait, this is obviously wrong”

    Ukraine 90 \
    Russia 96 have some genetically extremely related populations
    Belarus 102 /

    Poland 96 \
    both very close to western Ukrainians genetically
    Slovakia 96 /

    Czechia 95 (!!!)

    Hungary 99 !

    Nonsense like this is what turns common people away from IQ “studies” and HBD.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @notanon
  87. @Okechukwu

    Do Africans behave like Down Syndrom sufferers?

    Well, now that I think of it…

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  88. Bonner Tal says: • Website

    @David Becker:
    I would be very interested in the mean standard deviation of each country. That would be a great addition to a future version of the database.

    Thank you for the work you are putting into this project. I have already used the last instalments for a series of blogpost on the IQ-GDP relationship.

    • Replies: @David Becker
  89. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chewie111

    I agree with this. Cambodians are definitely not up to IQ 100 levels. They seem to be perpetually losing out to immigrant Vietnamese in business, so I feel their real IQ must lower.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  90. AaronB says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    Its because as one poster very helpfully responded to me above, IQ was not meant to measure actual achievement and it obviously does not correlate very well with what it was not meant to measure.

    Think of IQ as something that has very little relevance to real world achievement, especially the higher up the cognitive chain you go.

    Its main usefulness is in detecting severe mental deficiency.

    • Replies: @Chaotic Neutral
  91. AaronB says:
    @ELO

    Poland has a higher IQ than Britain, yet Britain produced more geniuses than perhaps anywhere else in the world.

    Germany has similar IQ to France, yet Germans are the world’s best engineers and the French are not.

    Asian Americans fill roughly 25% of elite college spots based on test scores and academics, yet produce only 5% of American Nobel Prize winners, and are mostly concentrated in the middle ranks of cognitively demanding jobs in America.

    Israel’s Jewish IQ is around 101, similar to whites and much lower than Asian countries like like Taiwan and Singapore, and Hong Kong (with similar populations), yet is quite creative in technology unlike those places.

    American Jewish IQ means Jews are a very small fraction of America’s cognitive elite, yet they dominate major cultural and financial institutions.

    One could go on and on.

    And of course there is the admitted fact that retarded level IQ “manifests” as perfectly normal capability in Africans.

    Point is, IQ has very little relationship to the type and quality of accomplishment between groups, and especially little relationship to high level accomplishment.

    So it clearly isn’t very illuminating for cross-group comparisons unfortunately.

  92. @sarz

    Always try using the search bar!
    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-heterogeneous-states-of-india/

    Note the authors as well.

    • Replies: @sarz
  93. anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Jones

    They could, but that’s not the case, at least not in the NBA. They do have longer reach and wingspan for the same height than Whites, even in the NBA where those qualities are already selected for. NBA Whites are, IIRC, a couple of inches taller on average than NBA Blacks due to a selection bias, with the height helping to compensate for the longer reach, wingspan, and explosiveness of the Black players.
    The NBA does not have its version of the Wonderlic (at least publicly), but I think we can predict what those results would like like as well.

  94. Juchen says:
    @Lloyd

    Exactly my sentiment, In addition, I’ve seen IQ scores for Sierra Leone placing it as high as 90+ and Nigeria 84, now this study placing it near retarded? Especially taken into consideration economic growth? I find that skeptical at best. Only thing this study is proving to me is that IQ fails as a valid metric of intelligence.

    • Replies: @AP
  95. Juchen says:
    @Anonymous

    As someone who’s lived in an African country since birth, your comment sounds like horseshit to be frank.

  96. How can the USA have an IQ 97? The white IQ is normed to be 100. You’d have to assume that the USA was almost all white. Blacks and Hispanics drag the IQ down by only three points?

    Same with France – ten percent of the population are Muslims.

  97. @Kratoklastes

    There are also a lot of Sephardic Jews and even a couple of blacks in Israel which lowers the average IQ. We need Ashkenazi data to make sure that we understand what’s going on.

  98. Juchen says:
    @John115

    “fractals and fibonacci ratios in everything made natural. “- I would be curious to see if Indians and Africans do better on fractal based tests, as many of those societies have used fractal based art designs, mathematical and sociological concepts, and architecture for a while now

  99. @Anonymous

    Cambodians have been pwned by semi-NE Asian Vietnamese all the time. Even Saigon is a city that used to be Cambodian. A few Vietnamese refugees managed to pwn Cambodians even when Vietnam itself was in a civil war. Of course they are completely pwned by first Frenchmen and then the Chinese.

  100. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Becker is discredited racist pseudoscience, he’s using dubious data & unsystematic methodology from Lynn. He puts most SSA countries below or around 70, when they have mean IQ scores 12+ points higher.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634?via%3Dihub

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @res
  101. @Chaotic Neutral

    I think they started fairly late. Moreover there is this conformism problem everyone outside the Hajnal line has to various degrees. In NE Asia it is very severe.

    The guys who first discovered CRISPR were Japanese. So are many who publish high-quality papers and are internationally well known within their respective fields (yes, I personally know and know about a few). It takes a couple of decades before the public becomes aware of contemporary research.

    • Replies: @Chaotic Neutral
    , @AaronB
  102. Juchen says:
    @Okechukwu

    Not only, but the hierachy of IQ scores is sceptical at best. Ghana IQ = 58? Nigeria IQ=68? but India’s IQ = 76????
    When it comes to Standardized tests(i.e. the WAASCE), Ghana outperforms Nigeria at the highest level. Nigeria has had a higher GDP per capita than India for the longest time(I just checked and Nigeria’s gdp per capita is higher than india, this is despite being in a recession, they just got out of their recession tho, they used to have a gdp per capita of 3k+ and rising), in addition, Ghanaian society as a whole is better than both india, and Nigeria, less crime, less poverty, equivalent economic growth, etc. etc. This study is skeptical at best.

    • Replies: @Edward
  103. This is bollocks! Iam a Dane/Swede , and I can assure you most people here are smart! Very smart! My IQ is 133-135, my wife 130, but my two daughters made 145 and 148, yuck! but at least IQ is going the right way 🙂
    And I can even wipe my own ass!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @utu
    , @Pericles
    , @Anon
  104. @Edward

    This IQ jazz is all baloney. The only thing that matters to White people anymore is taking up a good position, controlling breathing, setting sights on the target, taking up trigger slack and letting the round go at exactly the right moment – one round, one hit. The IQ of the White riflemen or his target is unimportant.

  105. @AaronB

    Right, I’ve also read that iq is not useful above 120 because then skills skew to individual talents and motivation. Also, American admirals beat the Japanese like children in the later stages of the war. But I think the difference is something deeper. A different cognitive structure altogether. They do excel us at certain tasks and there are commonalities. Just different adaptations.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  106. @EastKekistani

    Yes also yukawa and those folks, but also as with the Chinese, they are better at mathematics, but far fewer per capita “mathematicians.”” As in almost none—strange

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @EastKekistani
  107. Sparkon says:
    @Anonymous

    When you are 7 ft. tall, it is not necessary to be an accomplished basketball player. At that height, it is necessary only to be an average basketball player, and above all, have good hands, soft touch, and some decent footwork.

    Or, to look at it the other way: think what any 5’10” high school guard could do if he were a 7-footer, and IF he were able to keep the same coordination. ‘Easier said than done.

    It is a lot easier to be coordinated (and skilled in basketball) at 5’10”, or even 6’3″, than it is at 7′, but it is also easier to score from 3 feet than from 17, and not as much skill is required by a big man who gets to stand close to the basket, and who can stop him, other than another 7-footer?

    According to this source below, there are only about 2800 people in the world who are 7-foot or taller, and these tall folks make up just 0.000038% of the world’s population. I suppose some are females.

    https://percentagecalculator.mes.fm/interesting-facts/how-many-7-footers-are-in-the-world

    I make no claim that there is any connection between height and IQ, but then too, I’m a long way from being 7’.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  108. AaronB says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    But I think the difference is something deeper. A different cognitive structure altogether. They do excel us at certain tasks and there are commonalities. Just different adaptations.

    I think this is the intelligent way to go about it, not some abstract single number that fails to capture the complexity of the situation.

    Your approach is very specific, concrete, and granular. It is empirical, it respects reality. It isn’t an abstraction imposed on reality.

    The Japanese have a very specific concrete ability profile, which is different in some ways and overlaps in other ways with that of Europeans. In their own way they’re quite talented.

    We can easily get a sense of what each people excels at, is really capable of, and is likely to accomplish in the future by looking at their specific histories and record of past accomplishments.

    In other words, let’s look at the world, rather than be blinded by abstract numbers that consistently fail to describe it.

    Let’s be investigators rather than academic scholastics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. I can confirm the high rate of obedience and rule compliance in Austria.

    I was in Salzburg in 1968 on a summer Sunday morning at 6:00 a.m. and there was no traffic in sight as I crossed the street to a bakery looking for some breakfast. I was pulled up by a police officer for crossing the road on a pedestrian red light which I assumed was just in an advisory capacity.

    I avoided a fine by pulling the old “can’t speak German” trick and putting him on the wrong foot of having to speak in English. (My German was actually much better than his English, so I had to coach him a bit, and we parted amicably.)

    In the UK at that time, there was no such thing as a fine for pedestrians, so I was genuinely ignorant of the Teutonic law.

  110. Juchen says:

    Can someone explain to me how Ghana scores a 58(10points below Nigeria), but is constantly the top in WAASCE, out competing Nigeria? Despite a lower population?

    https://punchng.com/again-ghana-leads-nigeria-others-in-wassce/

    Also I couldn’t seeem to find the score for Liberia in your list.

    • Replies: @notanon
  111. AaronB says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    This is one of the things that struck me too.

    Supposedly, Asians are innately better at mathematics. And mathematics have the lowest barrier to entry of any field. Anyone who is talented at it can make contributions to the field.

    The Chinese have been aware of the Western superiority in mathematics since the days of Mateo Rici, and the Japanese modernised in the late-mid 19th century.

    Yet outstanding mathematical contributions have been Western, despite a disadvantage in population size.

    With their population advantage, the continent of Asia should have been throwing up outstanding mathematicians by droves, the moment they were acquainted with Western advances. Yet for centuries the advances continued to be Western despite there being no barrier to entry for Asians.

    Standard IQ narratives make no sense. And in fact, a close parsing of the IQ literature shows the Asian advantage lies almost entirely in spatial, and is modest or nonexistent in math.

    My explanation is far simpler. Asians have no particular talent for mathematics, but concentrate in it today – and technology in general – because they realize that technology is the key to remaining uncolonized by the West.

    It is a contemporary cultural preference that is maintained through “tiger momming”. It does not reflect any inner preference. In fact classic Asian culture is deeply literary and spiritual.

  112. @akka

    One might ask, ‘What is president Trump’s IQ?’ But a more relevant question would be what is the average IQ of the people who elected him?

    I voted for him on the assumption that running for election requires a lot of clowning, the alternative candidate was worse, and that once in office he would stop the clowning and take the office seriously, appoint the best people to advise him, implement health care insurance reform, control illegal immigration and employment of illegal immigrants, and so on.

    I would not vote for him again. His IQ is irrelevant, since he is clearly in the early stages of dementia, and by lunch has totally forgotten what he said at breakfast time.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  113. Lloyd says:

    I’m afraid you might have missed my point. Yes, I suppose that it is possible that you could easily overlook people with an IQ of 60 in a place like Sierra Leone because they would fit into the society and seemed somewhat normal. I actually really doubt it but I’ll grant you that it’s possible.
    HOWEVER:
    What I’m saying is if the average IQ is 60 or below then a VERY significant proportion of the population has an IQ of 30 to 45, and another somewhat smaller proportion of the population are complete idiots, unable to take care of themselves (look at the IQ bell curve). So where are all these people? In institutions? no. Wandering in the streets? no.
    I’ll tell you where they are: they don’t exist. All you have to do is go over there and see for yourself, but nobody wants to do that because they’d rather just work with numbers rather than facts.
    I might add that I taught High School there for 3 years in the town of Kenema. I taught mathematics and science. I don’t mean to be rude, but these statements about IQ are just completely ridiculous based on my own experience. I myself am supposed to have an IQ of about 140. The students I taught, and I taught hundreds of them, were definitely not stupid. You don’t do well in high school chemistry and intermediate level algebra courses with an IQ of 60.
    I have to top all this off with another observation. I also taught math and science here in America for a few years. I did not notice any great difference in intelligence between the two countries.
    I welcome your comments.

  114. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Germans are notorious for being extremely conformist and rules-obsessed, yet have been one of the most creative people’s in history.

    Moreover, European creativity was its height when education was about conformity and rote memorization, and has declined in modern times when non-conformity has become celebrated.

    Chinese are chaotic and rambunctious, as anyone who has been among them knows, and anything but conformist.

    Asian religion inculcated nonconformity and spontaneity more so than any other religion anywhere, and certainly more so than Christianity. Zen in Japan and Taoism in China are paragons of individualist nonconformity.

    Your explanations are bullshit. Look at the world before mindlessly parrotting post-hoc explanations that slap bandaids on glaring ommissions in mainstream narratives.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @anon
  115. @Jonathan Mason

    If you’re not in a swing state you can vote however you like.

    BTW. This site needs a current-events blog. Julian Assange was apparently just dragged from the Embassy in London to face trial in a U.S. kangaroo court.

    I wish we had leaders of integrity somewhere. But that might require voters of integrity and the MSM pretty much prevents that.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  116. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    IQ’s in this range are Down Syndrome territory.

    If you were actually paying attention you would have noticed that this was addressed in Dr. Thompson’s comment 15. The links there explain why low IQs appear different in groups with a lower mean IQ.

    One of my definitions of imbecility would be the inability to read and comprehend.

    Another definition would involve the ability to refute the points someone makes rather than just spewing endless ad hominems.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  117. @Lloyd

    I welcome your comments.

    Okay. You need to learn how to address a response, you need to learn how to separate paragraphs, and you need to learn about the significance (or lack thereof) of self-reported, personal anecdotes.

    That’s just to get you started.

  118. @Lloyd

    What I’m saying is if the average IQ is 60 or below then a VERY significant proportion of the population has an IQ of 30 to 45, and another somewhat smaller proportion of the population are complete idiots, unable to take care of themselves (look at the IQ bell curve).

    Not necessarily, the variance could be different in the population, or an extreme outlier is dragging down the mean IQ score. All of the usual issues with averages apply.

  119. @Chaotic Neutral

    There is a lot of recent scientific progress by ethnic Chinese. If you don’t believe me you can just visit Science, Nature etc and see how many Chinese names are there.

  120. @Lloyd

    I might add that I taught High School there for 3 years in the town of Kenema. I taught mathematics and science. I don’t mean to be rude, but these statements about IQ are just completely ridiculous based on my own experience. I myself am supposed to have an IQ of about 140. The students I taught, and I taught hundreds of them, were definitely not stupid.

    I agree. I know a lot of Haitians, who are supposed to have a very low average IQ.

    Yes, many of them do function at a very low IQ level, because they are raised in environments where they have nothing but stupid behavior to copy, but given good nutrition and education from an early age and exposure to adults who have a good vocabulary and model intelligent behavior, they are capable of functioning at a much higher level than the supposed average IQ of their nation.

  121. @Meretricious

    If you’re not in a swing state you can vote however you like.

    I live in the daddy of all swing states.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  122. CanSpeccy says:

    Each country has a score showing the cognitive abilities of their citizens, this being a blend of genetics and the environment of each country, particularly as regards education and health.

    There’s something goofy about a scale that ranks the average citizen of whole countries as being more moronic than an an absolute moron, and too slow and simple to do anything without supervision. In Nepal, average IQ of 43, who I wonder, does the supervising where even a genius on a comparative basis is dumber than an American moron.

    But as I commented elsewhere, remember, especially if you’re only an Alpha minus, that Richard Feynman, perhaps the greatest American theoretical physicist of the 20th Century, had an IQ of only 124, assigning him to Professor Thompson’s Fourth Tribe (of an earlier article) among whom “Occupations like manager, teacher and accountant are achieved.” LOL. Feynman sure was some teacher.

    Then there were the Nobel laureates in physics, Shockley and Alvarez, neither of whom made the cut for Terman’s study of gifted children. Another interesting case is that of Winston Churchill. Most likely he never took an IQ test. However, we know that at school he remained in the fourth form (equivalent to US eighth grade) for three years, and then, with no prospect of going on to the university, transferred to a military academy, with the implication that he was severely cognitively challenged. Nevertheless, he managed to publish over ten million words and win the Nobel prize for literature, while doing other things.

    So your best bet, really, is to make sure never to take an IQ test, then some low-browed IQ-ist won’t be able to place you in their Fascistic uni-dimensional system of classification. Instead, you will be able to find your own level according to your particular and unique set of talents, interests, and opportunities and the effort you apply to whatever it is that you set out to achieve.

    Or, to quote the motto of the Royal Air Force: per ardua ad astra, which roughly translated means: “don’t let the psychometric bastards tie you down.”

    • Replies: @res
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  123. JosephB says:
    @NoopNoop

    Well, for a science PhD from Cambridge an 130 IQ seems conservative. For an IQ of 42, with an SD of 15, and a population of 30 million, that produces 0.07 Nepalese with the requisite IQ. Ok, someone that smart is improbable, but maybe the country produced one.

    Except I had a Nepalese PhD student who was scary smart, and for whom a 130 IQ would be extremely conservative. Then there’s a Nepalese STEM faculty colleague…

    Even with an SD of 20, and conservative IQ estimates, between the two of us we’ve met a fair chunk of the smart Nepalese at our two institutions.

    I’m skeptical.

  124. astrolabe says:
    @NoopNoop

    If an IQ of 120 is required for a Cambridge science PhD, then assuming a distribution with mean 43 and standard deviation 15, the subject is required to be (120-43)/15 = 5.13 standard deviations above the mean. For a normal distribution, the proportion of the population that could get one is about 1/7,140,000. The population of Nepal is about 30,000,000, so we would expect about 4 of them to be able to do this, assuming that there are no other requirements such as inclination or opportunity.

    Of course if the mean were 43, the distribution couldn’t be close to normal with mean 15 because you’d get a substantial proportion of negative IQs. I suspect some issue is lowering their test scores below what their intelligence would predict.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  125. songbird says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    That’s interesting. There have been higher estimates for Vietnam. I think I even recall one that was like 106 genotypic. Personally, with limited experience from many acquaintance immigrants, I think near a 100 is plausible.

    The one thing that perhaps doesn’t fit perfectly into this theory is the traditional dominance of the Chinese minority in the economy, but perhaps Chinese minority communities have a higher IQ than the average Chinese.

  126. res says:
    @VladiRad

    The fact that 75 IQ blacks are far more functional than 75 IQ whites (literally helmet-wearing droolers) clearly exposes a problem with the metric, at least at that level.

    See the links in comment 15.

    And yes, that is a problem with the metric at that level. It is especially relevant in the US which has the idea that a low IQ bears on culpability for crime.

    Can anyone come up with a test that measures this difference?

  127. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    Cambodia’s IQ is at 100? That must explain why it looks more like India. That’s got to be an error. Look at all countries surrounding it that share a close kinship:

    Vietnam: 90
    Thailand: 89
    Laos: 81 ——-> closest kin to Cambodians
    Malaysia: 88
    Indonesia: 79
    Philippines: 82

    The only anomaly in Southeast Asia is Singapore at 106, and that’s because it’s 70% Chinese. Native SEA are Australoids, closer in kinship to Pacific Islanders. Countries like Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia are higher in IQ because there are more Chinese in their mix. Vietnamese are probably closest in kinship to the Chinese, while Thailand has 12% Chinese, and Malaysia 22%. Philippines, Cambodia, Laos and Indonesia: each <3% Chinese, so their average IQ is probably closer to true Australoid IQ. The number for Cambodia is way off.

  128. @AaronB

    Your explanations are bullshit.

    Yet not nearly as bullshit as your almost total inability to grok neurology. The overwhelming importance of Confucian xiao and its impact(then and now) on the guiding goals of the population obviously had influences innovation both on a cultural as well as genetic level.

    We don’t have to consider brains for this: consider muscle fiber, for example. A population with a larger quantity of type II muscle(typical of high output, low resilience muscles) but doesn’t have an environment that emphasizes it will both have the genetics for that type of muscle decline in the population and also never reach the highest levels of muscular achievement . Most Asians have a lower percentage of type II muscle fiber, incidentally.

    IQ itself doesn’t predict everything any more than say, availability of health care is necessarily predictive of life expectancy: the world is a bit more complex than that. What is important is that it has predictive utility which can be build upon.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  129. segundo says:
    @James Thompson

    Thanks, Mr. Thompson. I was trying to locate those links.

    When a white kid has a score of 70, they’re essentially “broken”. Not “normal”. A white isn’t supposed to be that low. Something went wrong. A black kid with a 70 IQ is still basically within the “middle” of the black IQ bell curve. They’re “normal”. Not “broken”. So when tries to assert that the IQ tests can’t be right because “70” probably means Down’s Syndrome IN A WHITE KID, but blacks with a 70 still seem “normal”, that’s why. A Ferrari that can’t go 100mph is “broken”, somehow. A Yugo that can’t go 100 is just a standard Yugo.

  130. Cowboy says:

    IQ and “Intelligence” are just one dimension of the myriad of genetic differences. Appearance and athletic capability are two real world examples that bitch slap the SJW’s, but their brainwashing is too thorough for them to see.

    Other genetic differences manifest themselves in the kinds of cultures that these people build:

    Blackpilled has a great video where he analyzes how the European’s cultivated bees and made them tame, while black Africans tormented them and made them mean. This has nothing to do with bee intelligence, it has to do with the reality of black culture.

  131. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Christianity was just as conformist and rules based and hierarchical as Confucianism, and early Chinese who traveled to England were surprised to discover a well behaved population of docile people who followed the rules.

    There is nothing special about Confucianism. Pretty much every civilization has had a version of it, as civilization is synonymous with rules based conformity.

    The Chinese are perhaps unusual in having a wild anarchic element to their religion – Taoism.

    The Chinese environment was highly conducive to European style creativity. Mathematics for instance -how in Confucius’s name would Confucianism have interfered with theoretical mathematics? And across multiple centuries – even as China and Japan become more Western?

    I’m not interested in special pleading, Daniel. I’ve heard it all. 10 years ago people were telling me China wasn’t innovative because it lacked modern infrastructure. When I pointed out that theoretical physics or math doesn’t require modern infrastructure – silence. Then its Confucianism. When I point out that Christianity was ten times more repressive and conformist and hostile to innovation – silence. When I point out that Germany was and is famously famously conformist – silence.

    Don’t get all upset and huffy – I’m not saying this is a racial thing, Daniel. I have no idea what particular combination of factors has led to these particular outcomes. I just know the simplistic explanations offered so far are bullshit. I have much more respect for actual reality than that.

    What is important is that it has predictive utility which can be build upon.

    What is becoming increasingly obvious is that IQ has more predictive value at the lower end of the cognitive chain, which is actually in line with the intentions of its designer Alfred Binet who explicitly made clear that it is useful only in detecting severe deficiencies.

    That it is is being misapplied today is becoming obvious as it doesn’t line up with real world facts.

    Moreover, it seems to be useful mostly for predicting cognitive deficiency among whites, as blacks with low scores seems not to have any cognitive deficiencies.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Daniel Chieh
  132. jim jones says:

    I notice that the highest IQ countries all have ideographic languages which suggests to me that IQ tests mainly involve pattern recognition:

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Okechukwu
  133. @Anarcho-Supremacist

    …is fucking retarted.

    Are we discussing the baked equivalent of frijoles refritos or something?

  134. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Chinese are chaotic and rambunctious, as anyone who has been among them knows, and anything but conformist.

    It’s true. More than a few Chinese kids in my son’s school behave like spoilt brats, loud and ill-mannered, very unpleasant to be around.

    But then it’s all relative, they may be rambunctious but they are usually not violent. I would cross the street to avoid a group of black or hispanic kids, but not a group of Chinese kids, they’re usually just looking for something to eat, rather than someone to beat up or mug.

    Chinese as a whole are docile and conformist compared to the blacks and browns in Africa, Latin America and South Asia. In Southeast Asia where they live as minorities in predominantly brown countries, they are often targets of violence.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  135. AaronB says:
    @anon

    Well, since Cambodia is the richest and most developed region of SEA, far ahead of Thailand and Vietnam and quite in line with white countries, it seems quite plausible it has an IQ of 100.

    Clearly, another win for the “predictive ability” of IQ that we could “build upon”.

    Oh wait. Nevermind.

    No doubt Rushton or Jensen have “observed” that Cambodians with 100 IQs don’t perform as whites with that IQ do, so that clearly explains things and saves IQ predictive ability. Whew. For a minute there I thought we had a crack in the edifice, almost as big as when it was noticed that Africans with retardation level IQs are actually perfect normal.

    But then Rushton or Jensen came to the rescue by “observing” that Africans with retarded IQs were quite normal, so the predictive ability of IQ was safely restored.

    Or something.

  136. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Nice rhetoric. At least you included a paper reference though.

    The Wicherts/Lynn debate is interesting. Does anyone have a good reference discussing the strengths and weaknesses of their respective arguments?

    There is some discussion of that at https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/iq-of-sub-saharan-africa/
    Including links to a Wicherts-Lynn exchange at the end. Here is a link to the Lynn response to Wicherts:
    http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/lynn2010.pdf

    Dr. Thompson, I searched for Wicherts in your blog and found some references, but no detailed look at his work. Did I miss one?

    Let’s conclude with an excerpt from Wicherts’ conclusion which I think represents his position better than comment 101 did.

    The assertion that the average IQ of Africans is below 70 is not tenable, even under the most lenient of inclusion criteria. The inclusion of all studies in Table 2 results in an estimate of an average IQ of 77. This estimate represents an underestimate of the true average IQ, because it is based on (1) inaccurate (often ad hoc) IQ norms or norms based on mental-age IQs, (2) IQ tests that were not administered according to official guidelines (e.g., adapted), (3) studies of IQ in which the test administration was problematic, (4) IQ tests found to be biased with respect to
    Africans, and (5) IQ test scores of non-normal (e.g., unhealthy) samples. According to our inclusion criteria, the average IQ (in terms of UK norms) of the African samples on the basis of the tests featured in our review is 81 or 82. This is close to mean of the national IQs as estimated from the scholastic achievement surveys, which was 81.8. Our systematic review of the average performance of Africans on the Raven’s tests suggested that the average IQ of Africans in terms of western norms on the Raven’s is approximately 78 (UK norms) or 80 (US norms). Thus, it can be concluded that the average IQ test performance of Africans in terms of UK norms is around 81.

    P.S. And for everyone, there is a post (with 843 comments!) about an earlier version of David Becker’s data at http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/

  137. @Tom Welsh

    Apparently I am far too clever to be an executive, attorney or chemist – those occupations are suitable for the relatively stupid IQ 130s.

    I got a chuckle out of that as well.

    I’ve known and dealt with many attorneys in my day and I must say that not one of them could possibly have had an IQ over 90, if that. In fact, every one of them was much dumber than I am and my IQ is about that of a flat iron.

    Until you’ve dealt with lawyers on a personal level, you can’t imagine what cringe-worthy level stupidity is. I’m convinced that, like “teachers,” the “profession” holds a special attraction for losers.

    • Replies: @Marty T
  138. AaronB says:
    @anon

    Plenty of violent Chinese in China. Read missionary accounts and accounts from earlier centuries.

    But fair enough, they aren’t as violent as American minorities.

    It’s true. More than a few Chinese kids in my son’s school behave like spoilt brats, loud and ill-mannered, very unpleasant to be around

    Of course. The whole docile and passive Chinese thing was a post-hoc explanation for the fact that Chinese do well on tests but do not excel at high level real world achievement. Something was needed to paper over this glaring discrepancy, and they weren’t about to admit that the tests were flawed.

    So the people who disparage culture as an explanation for outcomes turned to culture in this case 🙂

    Anything to “save the appearances”.

    I actually agree with Daniel above. Asians don’t excel at high level real world achievement at least partly because they have different goals and priorities, but its probably more complex than that and multi-factorial.

  139. res says:
    @CanSpeccy

    One of the most interesting things about your comments is how IQ tests are BS overall, but Feynman’s single score of 124 (I usually see that given as 125, and it was self reported) on a school age IQ test is gospel truth.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  140. res says:
    @AaronB

    Don’t get all upset and huffy

    Saying things like this is definitely your goto move when confronted with someone who knows what they are talking about. Worth remembering. Does that tactic work well for you in real life?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  141. @AaronB

    Its not about special pleading, its about a specific lack of understanding that you wish to pursue. I don’t really care about it being a racial thing; its why I mention that genetic underpinnings may indeed be part of it. I do care about better understanding and IQ’s predictive validity is sound enough. Consistent underperformance to GDP in the East Asian case is simply a reason to modify or call to attention other factors, including genetic/racial ones such as creativity.

    Confucianism has plenty of influence in directing how energies are spent – if your societal goals in life are primarily to take care of your family with fengxia, then individual interest in the weird will be accordingly decreased. Primogeniture both concentrated wealth in a few individuals, and created individuals who’s attentions would be directed elsewhere(its hard to imagine Mendel accomplishing his work if he wasn’t essentially forced to become a monk, for example)

    Incidentally, during the time of highly structured and organized Catholicism, not much developed either – Europe took hundreds of years to consistently replicate steel after the fall of the Roman Empire, for example. Its hardly accidental that the Renaissance and the Reformation were closely associated with each other.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  142. Sparkon says:
    @jim jones

    I‘ve made much the same argument here in the past.

    Note that officially, Korea has abandoned Hanja, the Korean version of the Han characters, but I think knowledge of Hanja is still necessary at least in academia in order to read older Korean texts and documents penned before widespread adaptation of Hangul in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    The important point is that learning the Han characters is no easy task. I know Japanese 1st graders start off learning 50 kanji the first year, along with the 50-character katakana and hiragana syllabaries, and romaji — the Roman alphabet — thrown in for good measure.

    Whatever else one may say about pattern recognition, the primary benefit of learning the Han characters is that it requires hard work. Developing the good study habits required to begin learning the Han characters by age 5 can only pay excellent benefits throughout the student’s academic career.

    • Agree: atlantis_dweller
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  143. Priss Factor [AKA "Asagirian"] says: • Website

    There is too much emphasis on IQ.

    We live in a pornified culture.

    There used to be a strict wall between porn and mainstream culture. The latter could be sexy but not downright porny.

    But internet changed all that. Incredibly, the powers-that-be did NOTHING to limit porn only to adults who could prove their age.

    Also, the wall between pop culture and pornography crumbled. Much of what’s on TV nowadays is close to porn and would have been considered as porn few decades ago.

    Today, young pop idol tarts are sluttier than madonna in the early 90s. Young girls grow up with slut idols as role models.

    Also, pornified sex culture has moved from hairy Jewish guys like Ron Jeremy humping shikses to Negroes humping white women. And this is reflected in sports culture, TV culture, advertising, and Hollywood. From porn to mainstream, the interracism of black male and white female is pushed on the public, and this is even truer in the UK.

    As our culture is porny and shameless, people have fewer brakes on their emotions, passions, and desires. And it’s been shown that sexual feelings make putty out of IQ. Tests show that men’s IQ drop about 20 pts in presence of pretty women. And women’s IQ maybe drops 50 pts in presence of studs. It maybe explains why some women are even interested in serial killers and criminals. Chelsea Handler grew up in an affluent Jewish family, but her books are all about “I did it with tons of Negroes with mega-dongs.” I hear NY is filled with Jewesses going around with Negroes for hookups. And ‘white trash’ girls are into ‘whigga’ behavior.

    In a porny Tinderized world where people prioritize their lusts, IQ matters less and less in social behavior. It matters in who makes the grades and gets good jobs, but now even well-bred women are into tattoos, piercings, and jumping from bed to bed. So, IQ maps may matter less in determining the future than penis size maps. And this is where Africa poses a huge threat, esp as it’s close to Europe. Boatloads of big-donged Negroids watch their smart phones and see all these advertising, movies, music videos, and porn where white women got jungle fever. They also notice all this sex tourism where European women come to Africa to have sex with Negroes. When sexual lust kicks into gear, IQ doesn’t matter. It’s like the Jewish guy Ace Rothstein in CASINO. He always looked at all the angles and never made a reckless bet. But he bet everything and trusted his money and life on some blonde bimbo shikse because of the Boing factor.

    • Replies: @Truth
  144. goatweed says:

    Does Singapore invite its non-Han students to stay home on test day?

  145. Cowboy says:

    This graph really explains why blacks and mestizos can’t get ahead, they are obsessed with themselves and nothing else. Narcissism pur.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Truth
  146. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @CM

    Armenians are known to be fairly smart,

    You mean like the Kardashians? No one with a rear end that big can be smart.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  147. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    As a rule of thumb we can say that in the US the average male at IQ 82 would be earning very roughly $43,000 (in 2011 dollars) as compared with $ 63,500 for men of average intelligence.

    IQ tests are tests of logical ability in the solution of verbal, numerical and diagrammatic problems. IQ scores thus provide a rough measure of educational attainment, which determines entry to better paid jobs in management and technical occupations, hence the correlation between IQ and income.

    However, the correlation between IQ and income is very poor, with only ten to 15% of variation in income being explained by variation in IQ. So when it is claimed that “the average male at IQ 82 would be earning very roughly $43,000,” that means very roughly indeed. In fact it means that someone of IQ 82 could quite likely earn more than the rare individual with an IQ of 164.

  148. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pablo

    The first person who claimed that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ was an Ashkenazi Jew himself — Richard Hernstein.

    IMO Jews succeed not because of higher IQ, but because of clannishness and dishonesty. Clannishness allows them to stick together and pull one another up in all fields, and dishonest people always make the honest look stupid by comparison.

  149. Levtraro says:
    @John115

    I quickly glanced at all comments above yours in a few minutes until I arrived at this:

    “The focus should be on nevrobiology and going back to scratch on how to more accurately defining our cognitive ability.”

    Of course you meant neuro-biology. And you are right. I read a paper in Science a few years back and the idea put forward was that intelligence could be measured objectively by quantifying the neuronal connectivity in the brain, that means counting all neuronal connections in the brain and measuring the strength of those connections. That would be a function of the number of neurons and the number of synapses they develop. Intelligence would be a nonlinear function of these quantities.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  150. @CanSpeccy

    Churchill’s books were written by ghostwriters, and his (famous) speeches he didn’t compose himself either.

    • Replies: @res
    , @CanSpeccy
  151. @Levtraro

    That is a good start.

    Its interesting to note that chimpanzees outperform humans on some cognitive abilities, so it suggests that its a fairly complicated system that defines performance.

    https://www.livescience.com/27199-chimps-smarter-memory-humans.html

  152. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Another take on the meaning of intelligence

    There you go again, James, with the IQ-ist lie that IQ = intelligence, which is simply not so, as anyone who takes the trouble to consult a dictionary will discover.

    The idea that the functionality of the most complex known object in the universe can be assessed by a single number, as though intelligence were comparable to pressure or horse power or some other elementary quality is, frankly, inane.

    The Brain is a not unitary. It is modular, flexible, and programmable, which means that it has independently variable capabilities in multiple domains, capabilities that may be radically modified by programming (i.e., experience and education) and neurological reorganization.

    In fact, the main reason for IQ testing is to justify certain types of social organization. For example, if you are going to privilege the middle class over the working class with superior publicly funded schools, then an IQ test provides a perfect public rationale for the inequity. Hence Britain’s now abandoned Eleven-Plus, a culturally loaded IQ test that insured that those of us that had attended half decent private prep schools got a free pass into a grammar school, whereas the plebs went to second rate, so-called, secondary modern schools.

    Today, IQ testing serves perfectly the needs of the Fascist New World Order. By providing a phony but vaguely plausible basis for claiming that wealth is the reward for intellectual superiority, it justifies the grotesque disparities in wealth. That massive wealth disparities exist internationally, as well as withing each country, naturally requires proof of the mental inferiority of the people of poorer countries: evidence for which our degenerate academic elite are only too ready to provide.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  153. @freedom-cat

    You are almost certainly American, since you equate success with making money. Orwell has achieved much more than most billionaires ever will. Do people remember who was #5 richest person in 1990? No. But they will remember Orwell far into the future.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  154. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Consistent underperformance to GDP in the East Asian case is simply a reason to modify or call to attention other factors, including genetic/racial ones such as creativity.

    Sure, let’s consider all the factors including genetic ones. I’m sure genetics plays a role in all differences between groups, just as it is hardly ever the only factor.

    And lets be more honest about the precise ways IQ does not and does not predict outcomes.

    I’m all for that. That level of specificity would be so much more intellectually meaningful than things like “world IQ 82” or “IQ correlates with wealth” or “there is a general factor of intelligence that is hugely meaningful”.

    The tendency in discussions of IQ is towards generalizations and abstractions which mislead. I am trying to return to the empirical and the concrete.

    Confucianism has plenty of influence in directing how energies are spent – if your societal goals in life are primarily to take care of your family with fengxia, then individual interest in the weird will be accordingly decreased. Primogeniture both concentrated wealth in a few individuals, and created individuals who’s attentions would be directed elsewhere(its hard to imagine Mendel accomplishing his work if he wasn’t essentially forced to become a monk, for example)

    Of course. Every civilization has mainstream duties and obligations that distract from purely intellectual activities. There is nothing special or unique about Confucianism here. All traditional societies prize family. And China was crawling with monks of all kinds.

    This is what I mean by special pleading. Had Europe been uncreative, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to blame the Catholic Church with its monopoly on doctrine and it’s dogmas about the nature of the world that conflicted with science, its otherwordliness, its violent repression of hereticism.

    Had China been the crucible of creativity, it would have been so easy to ascribe it to Buddhism with its injunction to hold no firm opinions, its broad intellectual tolerance, to the doctrine of “mushin” which means keeping an empty and open mind responsive to reality, to Taoism, with its interest in natural processes, etc.

    Point is, there are a million things in each culture which can be interpreted as hostile or favorable to science and creativity. Confucianism can easily be seen as favorable to science in its this-worldly emphasis in contrast to Christian other-wordliness, in its social concern rather than concern with salvation.

    And how much are Asian Americans influenced by Confucianism? Why do they display basically the same ability profile?

    Now, I’m not again at advancing these theories – but they are easily shot down. No one yet has come up with a really good comprehensive theory. And even a theory that withstands attack nay not be correct. So the future predictions bases on our “understanding” of why precisely China didn’t produce outstanding mathematicians in the past but now will are nonsense.

    Instead of getting lost in facile abstractions the intellectually serious thing to do is stick to empirical reality – we do not why, none of our theories really stack up, but up till now all Asian communities anywhere in the world display a specific ability profile, one with a wide discrepancy between testing outcomes and real world outcomes, a mysterious deficit at the top cognitive end, but one with a specific set of strengths, etc, etc.

    One might also say that low IQ scores in Africans doesn’t translate into expected low ability, etc, etc.

    Or that Jewish IQ vastly underpredicts their ability to capture important institutions or excel in finance, etc.

    This kind of granular, empirical stuff – so much more fascinating and true than facile generalizations.

    IQ honestly described at this level of empirical reality would be far less predictive and significant than at the generalizing level – which is with Its prophets are loath to do it – but far more fascinating and actually useful.

    Epistemic humility is the start of knowledge.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Daniel Chieh
  155. res says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Churchill’s books were written by ghostwriters, and his (famous) speeches he didn’t compose himself either.

    Do you have any evidence for that? Looking at (understood that wikipedia is not the best reference) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill_as_writer
    I see

    When demand was high for his newspaper and magazine articles, Churchill employed a ghostwriter.

    which is rather different from your assertion.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  156. AaronB says:
    @res

    And yet – why so upset and huffy, res?

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @res
  157. hgw says:

    I will not claim I read the article very carefully. But my opinion the last graph shows IQs which seem simply stupid. Vietnam, Poland, Czechia have high PISA scores, and Poland and Czechia have developed economies. There is no way these countries are so dumb, especially compared to Hungary, for example, which is put higher, despite the evidence that it trails behind both in GDP per capita and PISA scores. Sorry, but this is an article written out of boredom.

  158. @anon

    “…Native SEA are Australoids, closer in kinship to Pacific Islanders…”

    The majority of the population of South East Asia consists of Paleo-Mongoloids, who started to colonize the region from Taiwan about 5000 years ago, bringing with them agriculture and the Austronesian family of languages (formerly called “Malay-Polynesian”). Before them the region was sparsely populated by Australoids in the hunter-gather stage of development. These Australoids were absorbed by the invading Paleo-Mongoloids, which is still visible in the phenotype of the peoples of Java, South Philippines and very much so of Camboja. There is also and even older Negroid element is SEA and the Pacific in the relicts of Negritos, Papuans, Melanesians and the now extinct Tasmanians. The population of the Eastern part of Indonesia consists of a mixture of these people with Paleo-Mongoloids. Continental SEA has been also colonized by Birmans from Tibet, Tai people (Thai and Laotians) from South China and Austro-Asian people, probably from Tibet. Vietnamese and Cambojans belong (linguistically) to the Austro-Asians, but racially the Cambojans are heavily mixed with Australoids, while the Vietnamese not at all.

  159. @anon

    Learn the meaning of “average”.

  160. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Churchill’s books were written by ghostwriters

    Says you.

    I guess the ghostwriter must have been pissed off when Churchill pocketed cash for his Nobel Prize for literature.

    LOL.

  161. @Chaotic Neutral

    Because, who said IQ, or the other metric I prefer to IQ, g, describe the entirety of an individual’s, or a race’s average, mind?

    Even engines the same size and max horsepower can differ from one another rather significantly.

    Countries with average IQ in the ≥105 range may certainly be impossible to compete with for the other countries in fields where not genius, but large groups of very highly intelligent people (≥ 140) are needed.
    Consumer electronics is the first field that comes to mind.

    Then you have other factors, such as socialism, and natural resources, than factor in the global equation of a country’s achievements.
    And then there are epochs — because today there is not a Bach, nor a Schubert, in Germany: there probably is somebody with a neural equipment like theirs, but he didn’t take on classical music, he is doing something else (or perhaps he tried to submit a music composition to an editor, but it got rejected).

  162. hgw says:

    I knew why I only follow Anatoly Karlin regularly. He seems to be one of the few who really grasps psychometrics. Turkey, Thailand and Romania dumber than central asian countries?What the fuck? There are so many mismatches here, it blows the mind.

  163. homahr says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Yep, all of my dentists have been Iraqi so far, both Muslim and Christian.

  164. Thomm says:
    @Cowboy

    That is a superb graph, and it also proves how White Trashionalists have more in common with blacks than with functional whites. WNs, like blacks, see race in EVERYTHING.

    That is why White Trashionalists are called ‘Wiggers’ in the modern age.

    • Replies: @ThommisaLibtard
  165. @Tom Welsh

    How did reasonable people like you suddenly appear amidst this cavalcade of fatuousness?

    I tried to point out how an Aborigine can survive all alone in a desert where a high-IQ white American would die. And the Rocket Scientist on here retorts, “No, he prefers to ride through the desert in air-conditioned comfort.”

    As if he invented cars and air conditioning hisself. This is the caliber of the people on here who are always trumpeting the wonderfulness of the IQ of the race they just happen to belong to. In plain language, it seems that only stupid people get all het up about these IQ statistics thingies. Wonder why.

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
  166. Sparkon says:
    @Sparkon

    I must correct my mistake:

    Japanese 1st graders start off learning 50 80 kanji the first year…

    In the 2nd grade, Japanese kids learn 160 additional kanji. In the 3rd grade, just 200 more, and they’re well on the way to learning the 1000 kanji Japanese school kids must master while still in primary school.

    Kyōiku kanji learned by Japanese 1st graders

  167. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor

    “When all you have is a hammer…”

  168. Truth says:
    @Cowboy

    Those researchers ain’t interview nobody here.

  169. Republic says:
    @Anarcho-Supremacist

    The US added 100,000 people of an average IQ of 80 last month.

  170. @CanSpeccy

    “…Today, IQ testing serves perfectly the needs of the Fascist New World Order. By providing a phony but vaguely plausible basis for claiming that wealth is the reward for intellectual superiority, it justifies the grotesque disparities in wealth…”

    “Fascist New World Order” or not, you will have to explain why the Chinese of South East Asia control most of its trade and are wealthier than its native population, while they score more than one SD on the IQ scale higher than the locals. These people are almost all descendants of poor Chinese peasants, many of whom came as coolies. The descendants of poor Japanese coolies in Hawaii and Brazil too now belong to the wealthy middle class. And Japanese too, like Chinese score high on the IQ scale. Maybe IQ is mainly hereditary and maybe IQ does make a difference after all, “Fascist New World Order” be damned.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @EastKekistani
  171. @res

    “…In light of his alcoholism, his high positions, his journalism, and his record of academic mediocrity (at best), one has got to wonder how this puffed-up “literary giant” was able to muster the time and discipline necessary to author so many books. Well, you see, the “prolific” multi-millionaire writer not only has the help of “literary assistants”, (ghostwriters) but he is also a plagiarist!

    A young historian Maurice Ashley contributes heavily to Churchill’s 1937 ‘A History of the English-Speaking Peoples’. Years later, another historian named William Deakin pens an enormous amount of material for Churchill, including most of the text of his “widely acclaimed” series on World War II. The military narratives are supplied by a retired general, Sir Henry Pownall.

    By the 1950’s, an aging and alcohol-addled Churchill is relying upon an entire team of writers to do much more than just research, contribute, and edit, but really take over his work…”

    Source : http://www.tomatobubble.com/churchill_plagiarist.html

    • Replies: @res
    , @CanSpeccy
  172. utu says:

    World IQ 82

    • Replies: @AaronB
  173. sarz says:
    @James Thompson

    Thanks for pointing that out. I spend quite a bit of time in Kashmir as well as in Goa. The results presented are just the opposite of my casual observations over the years. Very strange.

  174. res says:
    @AaronB

    If you read my previous comment as upset and huffy I’m not sure what to say. Except to note perhaps your statement was projection.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  175. @Tom Welsh

    Sorry, wrong. When the people living on the territory of present-day Iraq created those civilizations, there were no Arabs there. Present-day Iraqi Arabs and present-day Egyptian Arabs are NOT the people who created those ancient civilizations. At that time Arabs roamed the deserts of present-day Saudi Arabia and were remarkably uncivilized (to express it as mildly as possible).

    That said, the belief that IQ score reflects intelligence is on par with the belief that Earth is flat. Nice theory, the only problem with it being that it does not reflect the reality, as someone noted above.

  176. AaronB says:
    @res

    Still with the huffiness!

    You are better than this, res. I expect scholarly detachment.

    • Replies: @res
  177. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Had China been the crucible of creativity

    As it once was, which demolishes the idea that the rise of the west has a genetic basis.

    Carol Quigley’s account of the rise of the West — ultimately, a consequence of the existence of the English Chanel — is much more plausible than any genetic theory.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @notanon
  178. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel at 92.
    How much of this is stolen? 30, 40 points? 60 points?

    U.S. at 97.
    US in ’60s IQ close to 135? Otherwise how moon round trip?

    2019 should be weekly tours and back considering technology 1000 times more advanced.

  179. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Fascist New World Order” or not, you will have to explain why the Chinese of South East Asia control most of its trade and are wealthier than its native population…

    The role of cultural factors come to mind.

    Just as cultural factors explained why, during the 19th century, Brits and other Euro nationals and europeanized Japanese “control[led] most of its [China’s] trade and are[were] wealthier than its [China’s] native population…”

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  180. res says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Thanks for following up. That page has numbers that look like references. Do you have the actual references so I can check them? The page itself is an obvious hit piece so I assume at best it is grossly exaggerated and at worst it is outright lies.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  181. res says:
    @AaronB

    Just because you wish something to be true (because it is the only answer you have for me?) does not make it so. I am more laughing at you than huffy based on this exchange.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  182. @AaronB

    Asia is not some monolithic place.

    >Supposedly, Asians are innately better at mathematics. And mathematics have the lowest barrier to entry of any field. Anyone who is talented at it can make contributions to the field.

    >The Chinese have been aware of the Western superiority in mathematics since the days of Mateo Rici, and the Japanese modernised in the late-mid 19th century.

    >Yet outstanding mathematical contributions have been Western, despite a disadvantage in population size.

    Right now the disparity is smaller as you can see from https://arxiv.org/archive/math for example. However it does still exist.

    >In fact classic (NE) Asian culture is deeply literary and spiritual.

    Yes and it fucking sucks. We should have conquered Malaya. We should have conquered Fiji. We should have conquered Solomon Islands. Fuck those who read Confucian books and did not settler colonize low-IQ territories.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  183. @Franklin Ryckaert

    >“Fascist New World Order” or not, you will have to explain why the Chinese of South East Asia control most of its trade and are wealthier than its native population, while they score more than one SD on the IQ scale higher than the locals. These people are almost all descendants of poor Chinese peasants, many of whom came as coolies. The descendants of poor Japanese coolies in Hawaii and Brazil too now belong to the wealthy middle class. And Japanese too, like Chinese score high on the IQ scale. Maybe IQ is mainly hereditary and maybe IQ does make a difference after all, “Fascist New World Order” be damned.

    Yeppo.

    Natives simply react to our success by regular chimpouts.

  184. @AnonFromTN

    Sure. However based on the demographics of Nature and Science I definitely won’t write off Iraq and Egypt. They aren’t just a bunch of blacks.

  185. @anon

    Native SEA are bad but they are at least not Australoids. Instead they are basically Mongoloids 1.0 while NE Asians are Mongoloids 2.0, an evolved version of maybe Thais. Vietnamese are about 50% NE Asian. Thailand has some Chinese admixture. So does the Philippines. As for Malaysia it is simply 23.4% Chinese (2016).

    Australoid countries do exist. Papua New Guinea is a good example.

  186. carstairs says:
    @Ike

    Academics of European origin have created devices enabling humans to survive in the depths of the ocean, at -60 centigrade at the South Pole, on the International Space Station and the surface of the Moon. An arid wasteland is not much of a challenge. Meanwhile resident Africans rely on the white man’s medicine to keep AIDS at bay.

    Possibly these IQ chappies have a point.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  187. @res

    Those numbers probably refer to the author’s own book on Churchill The British Mad Dog (scroll down for picture), but if you call his article a “hit piece” you would consider his book the same way, I suppose.

    • Replies: @res
  188. @CanSpeccy

    Yes, but the point is whether those Europeans and Japanese had higher IQs than the native Chinese or not. The rest is temporary “circumstances”.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @CanSpeccy
  189. AaronB says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Who knows? It just “is”. Its overdetermined.

    Why do we waste our lives thinking about things we can’t know? I suppose its fun as a hobby. The problems start when we start to take our hobby seriously, and claim we “know” why it happened and make predictions based on that with absolute self-assurance.

    And that goes for both sides. Those who claim blacks will never amount to anything because of genetics, and those who claim China is about to revolutionize the world because there is no genetic limitation and they do well.on tests.

    We can look at historical patterns and regularities, and make some limited claims based on them. But this is very far from the kind of “certain” knowledge about these things we like to pretend we have. And history shows the most unexpected and counter-expected developments – trues surprises.

    No one expected Europe.

    Despite the feeble efforts of some to trace European genius into the Paleolithic.

    I do not have theories, except as conjectures. I try and exercise epistemic restraint, and keep close to reality and history as its presented itself. I do not privilege test results over history.

    It would not surprise me one bit and would truly be in keeping with historical patterns if Africa were the site if the next major human advance, in 200 years.

    As for China? Who knows. Sure, it’s possible. But based on test results? Sorry, I prefer the nitty gritty of reality itself, which shows a much more complicated picture.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  190. @carstairs

    >Meanwhile resident Africans rely on the white man’s medicine to keep AIDS at bay.

    Meanwhile resident Africans can not keep AIDS at bay despite the white man’s medicine. Moreover the white man actually steps in but it still does not help that much simply because many Africans don’t even believe that AIDS (and Ebola) actually exist.

    Fixed.

  191. AaronB says:
    @res

    Well, you’ve just failed my huffiness test res. Your huffiness g is quite low.

    Since huffiness-restraint explains 40% of variance in life outcomes, the future is looking dismal for you.

    • Replies: @res
  192. utu says:
    @OReally

    How I wasted my life measuring a meaningless cultural artifact because I had a high IQ.

  193. @AaronB

    Epistemic humility is the start of knowledge.

    Epistemic humility is not the same as to embracing ignorance.

    If a model is serviceable but demonstrates flaws, just like a map, you work to modify the model to better fit empirical reality. Its just like any other map or theory. Its a central point of deductive reasoning. I’m perfectly happy with useful generalities, even though I’m in fact obsessive about detail and could talk about plenty of flaws of an IQ model right down to the neurotransmitter level. But it doesn’t take away from its general validity.

    You just dismiss whatever that is actionable because you think its “control” and takes away from I suppose what you think is the wonder of the world. It may or may not be so, but it still is the most useful way to actually get useful models of reality.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  194. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I don’t really know. It is possible for the genotypical IQ of NE Asia to be great while the phenotypical one may used to be a bit lower due to lack of iodine, iron, selenium etc and maybe for some reason Japan temporarily did a lot better than China in terms of nutrition. Things of course have changed.

    In the worst case at least poor coolies from southern coastal China and Japanese immigrants in Hawaii who are actually partly Okinawan had above Russia-level phenotypical IQ several decades ago according to James Flynn. Right now the phenotypical IQ should be higher.

  195. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    That discrepancy should have vanished shortly after Europeans made contact with Asia. That it still exists today to any degree is astonishing.

    I should trust tests over reality?

    Plus, there is stagnation everywhere today, in all fields. There had been more European decline than an upsurge in Asian performance.

    Yes and it fucking sucks. We should have conquered Malaya. We should have conquered Fiji. We should have conquered Solomon Islands. Fuck those who read Confucian books and did not settler colonize low-IQ territories.

    Assuming you’re not being ironic – why?

    Because you didn’t do these things – assuming you don’t start trying now – you have a future.

    Because the West did these things, its future is in doubt.

    The higher you climb the harder you fall. Is it worth it?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  196. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well, you see, the “prolific” multi-millionaire writer not only has the help of “literary assistants”, (ghostwriters) but he is also a plagiarist!

    You have that exactly wrong. The “assistants” were just that. They gathered information. It was Churchill who translated the bare facts into colorful prose. Hence the enormous popularity of his books — The History of the English Speaking Peoples, for example, written during the 30’s when Churchill was a back-bencher written off as a has-been.

    To suppose that Churchill was not enormously gifted in the use of plain English is simply foolish. Words were Churchill’s means to power and to a large literary income. When he rose to speak in Parliament, empty benches rapidly filled. Not because he was powerful or popular, for many years he was neither, but because he was entertaining.

    A classic scrap of Churchill-speak was recorded by a guest at his house, Chartwell, located close to the South East coast of England, when Churchill was out of power during the 1930’s. Churchill was expatiating on the German menace, when a guest asked what should we do if they invaded now. To which Churchill replied (quoting from memory):

    That should present no insuperable conundrum. We are here five able-bodied men. The weapons at our disposal are not of the best, but none of us should be without a weapon. We would sally forth. I should venture to assume the responsibilities of command. If the worst came to the worst, we should sell out lives dearly. Whatever the outcome, I fell confident we should render a good account of ourselves.

    Not one of Churchill’s finest speeches, but illustrative of his superb knowledge of the language and skill in its deployment. It is said that his published works used over 50,000 words, or about four times as many words as Shakespeare, yet for the most part he used plain language, short, Anglo-Saxon words, as in “I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.” — intelligible to all.

  197. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Graham Seibert

    Where do they claim the standard deviation for the Japanese is 13?

    • Replies: @Graham Seibert
  198. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I would not get on an airplane that uses a flawed map through mountainous terrain.

    The current map sucks.

    In fact, I’d be happy just laying the facts out there and letting people decide without any attempts to influence them – g explain 40% variance, IQ correlates 10% with high income, blacks with dysfunctional IQs are perfectly functional, the highest IQ countries are neither the most successful nor the wealthiest, a small minority of the cognitive elite has managed to wrest control of America from the majority of the cognitively elite, etc, etc.

    So many more facts.

    If this is a good map for you, then good for you.

    And yes, epistemic humility does mean accepting limitations in knowledge and understanding – decision making under opacity.

    Of course it would be great to develop better models – but right now history and granular detail are better models and better maps than IQ generalizations.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  199. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    please explain how the introduction of modern technology, infrastructure, healthcare and education ( all byproducts of colonialism) “lowered the world’s IQ”

    A much more complex issue than you perhaps understand.

    But in grappling with it, it is worth remembering that the Western world experienced the industrial revolution differently from the rest of the world.

    Unlike Britain, for example, which first industrialized then built infrastructure, introduced universal education and ultimately universal healthcare, Africa and most other parts of the word experienced these changes in a different order.

    In the developing world there has been no industrial revolution, just theimport of the fruits of the industrial revolution and the scientific and technological revolution that followed the early processes of industrialization.

    The result in Africa, for example, has been a population explosion, based on the introduction of genetically improved crops, antibiotics and vaccination, but without the intellectual, philosophical and educational development that proceeded the development of such products in the West.

    The results of such a change in developmental order might very well account for social dysfunction leading to a low IQ society — a condition to which the West is, apparently, returning, due in part to the toxic effects of Hollywood and the more hardcore sectors of the entertainments industry. .

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  200. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Black African with IQ 82.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @utu
  201. res says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    There was a reason I asked for references. Which you conspicuously failed to provide. I am at least willing to give the book a chance if it offers evidence.

  202. res says:
    @AaronB

    And your seriousness g is negative, if that is possible. Humor is fine, but at least try to accompany it with some substance.

  203. @AaronB

    As a Social Darwinist I believe that only the competent deserves to inherit the world. You have rightfully pointed out that whites in general and Nordic people in particular still do much better than NE Asians in science even though our research in the highest levels of science obviously does exist and is common. This implies that we NE Asians will have to do better through whatever means from transhumanism to social engineering for the sake of continued existence.

    Of course settler colonialism is worth it. We settler colonized Taiwan and Singapore which is why they are First World today. We didn’t settler colonize the Philippines and Cambodia which is why they are shitholes in need of perpetual foreign aid mostly from whites but also from us too. When the strong fails to conquer the weak it leads to permanent shitholes.

    As for “a future” the crucial mistake of whites is not colonizing other countries. Instead it was not settler colonizing enough. If Rhodesia had actually been 100% white it would still exist today..

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AaronB
    , @Talha
  204. haiti iq is too high in the estimate.

    there’s no way that is higher than brazil iq. not that brazil is higher than that number though

  205. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    If you were actually paying attention you would have noticed that this was addressed in Dr. Thompson’s comment 15. The links there explain why low IQs appear different in groups with a lower mean IQ.

    Yes, I saw Dr. Thompson’s comment (#15). But like all of these racialist arguments, it’s complete bullshit. Either IQ has global cross-cultural applicability or it doesn’t. And if it doesn’t, then it doesn’t capture innate intelligence. Period. There’s no wiggle room.

    Dr. Thompson, like all white nationalist pseudoscientific quacks, puts stuff out there, hoping that his audience is either dumb enough or racist enough to buy it. But, inevitably, when challenged, he will construct a meandering, incoherent, logically fallacious suite of theoretical nonsense, describing various exceptions and exemptions with a goal toward buttressing and saving the idiotic hypothesis he had presented initially. Of course, a serious researcher doesn’t work that way. But Dr. Thompson and his fellow travelers aren’t interested in serious research. Rather they are trying to promulgate an ideology.

    Little wonder that the London Conference on Intelligence ( Haha. Laugh my fucking ass off) and the other “conferences” these people are engaged in are held surreptitiously in some dungeon somewhere — far from prying eyes and pointed questions. I know they have a talking point that addresses this matter. They’ll say they’re a bunch of Gallileos who are obliged to form secret societies because the outside world simply isn’t ready for these harsh truths. Really? The harsh truth is that your so-called data “proves” that people who are perfectly functional are actually retarded? And that’s an idea that is going to be vindicated in the future à la Galileo? LOL. Anybody that actually believes this is dumber than a bag of rocks.

    • LOL: res
    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  206. @AaronB

    I would not get on an airplane that uses a flawed map through mountainous terrain.

    And if every cartographer thought like you, we would never have good maps. Indeed, we would never advance in knowledge at all or find any principles ever.

    What a profoundly useless philosophy.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  207. @CanSpeccy

    Uncontrolled population explosion only multiplies already existent genetic material but does not change it. For that long term selection would be necessary, not a few decades.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  208. Endi says:

    The inmigrant in europe are degrading the results by a couple of iq points at least, it would be great to see the text broke in ethnic lines.
    the difference between belarus pure ethnic russians 102 and russia 96 is really interesting
    The average iq of western europe is around 100
    Mediterraneans 95
    And slavs 97
    We need a strong eugenesic program , this resusts are not good enought.

  209. utu says:
    @EastKekistani

    As a Social Darwinist I believe that only the competent deserves to inherit the world.

    No competent social Darwinist would make such a statement in public. We social Darwinists think such thoughts but only in private among ourselves. The secrecy of our intentions and beliefs is of utmost importance to success of our plans. Unfortunately we must inform you that you have failed the competency test as a social Darwinist and thus you may no longer inhabit this world.

    Prepare yourself for termination. Your resistance to the forces of evolution is futile. Even an incompetent Darwinist should know this fundamental fact. Please no pleading, no scenes, follow orders peacefully.

    • LOL: AaronB
  210. Edward says:
    @Pablo

    As I’ve said before:

    Israel has one of the highest science Nobel Prize wins per capita in the world, higher than the EU as a whole and lagging just behind the US (which has been in existence for a longer period of time and has benefitted from Asian and Ashkenazi Jewish immigration). A few individual European countries (which, again, have been in existence for much longer) outperform Israel, along with a couple of sparsely populated islands.

    This, despite the fact that Ashkenazi Jews only account for around 35-36% of Israelis. Sephardic Jews have an average IQ of just below 100, Mizrahi Jews have IQs in the 90s, and the Arabs have IQs in the high 80s. You also have some Ethiopian Jews in the mix too. Overall, Israel likely has an average IQ in the mid-90s.

    It’s also been documented that Ashkenazi Jews in Israel have average IQs of around 105, significantly lower than the 110-115 in the US and UK diaspora.

    Israel’s spacecraft just failed to land on the moon, though. They became the 7th country/institution to orbit the moon, after the Soviet Union, the United States, the European Space Agency, Japan, India and China.

    But their quest to become the fourth country to land successfully on the moon failed. Now, it’s up to India, whose second lunar mission will launch within the next couple of weeks.

    • Replies: @utu
  211. @Okechukwu

    “…The harsh truth is that your so-called data “proves” that people who are perfectly functional are actually retarded? And that’s an idea that is going to be vindicated in the future à la Galileo…?”

    Low IQ people can very well function in a society were almost everyone else is also low IQ. “Normalcy” can exist on all levels.

    • Troll: Okechukwu
  212. Edward says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    China and Japan produce “virtually no” mathematicians or physicists?

    How about Chen-Ning Yang, largely responsible for Yang-Mills theory, and who won the Nobel in physics? Shing-Tung Yau, the Fields Medalist who proved the Calabi conjecture and whose work on Calabi-Yau manifolds has been exceptionally influential?

    Charles Kao? Daniel Tsui? Tsung-Dao Lee? Terence Tao (perhaps the world’s greatest living mathematician)? Makoto Kobayashi?

    I could just as easily ask why Europe has never produced a Ramanujan. As the late mathematician Sir Michael Atiyah once remarked, only three people in history can really be considered geniuses: Mozart, von Neumann and Ramanujan. Given that we’re talking about mathematicians, only von Neumann and Ramanujan count in this discussion. And von Neumann was Ashkenazi Jewish.

  213. @David Becker

    Fundamental problem seems to be that Flynn effect advances at varying rates across different domains of intelligence (e.g. superfast improvement in Raven’s, almost no improvement in verbal – at least once basic schooling is established, anyway). Tellingly, performance in Raven’s is highly correlated to brain size, while there is zero or almost zero correlation with verbal performance. Raven’s is driven by both increased abstract thinking and brain size, both of which have increased greatly this past century; hence its turbocharged increase; verbal is little affected by either.

    Reconciling these structural differences is so hard that I must even question the ultimate utility of combining decades-old Raven’s results with modern SAS ones. I strongly suspect this is the main reason you get weird results such as Ireland’s 90 average IQ.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    , @David Becker
  214. Okechukwu says:
    @jim jones

    I notice that the highest IQ countries all have ideographic languages which suggests to me that IQ tests mainly involve pattern recognition:

    Let’s say you’re engaged in a serious scientific inquiry of profound global implications, and you are pleading for the genuineness of those Asian IQ scores.

    Okay, where’s your unimpeachable evidence?

  215. If the salary statistics were compiled by men with IQs of 82, it might explain the massive gap between what employers actually pay and what internet job sites report, and unfortunately, while a character quotient of 82 might explain a lot, the IQ quotient does not explain the gargantuan gaps between the positions that some cronies retain and their performance, including their contributions to the numbers and other cronyist factors, like their presence at work v/s their presence at home attending to children, their presence on one family-friendly vacation after another, etc., although it is possible for crony parents to work hard while on frequent and lengthy vacations in an era when working parents are above firing and above critique.

  216. joannf says:
    @dearieme

    No it wouldn’t be impossible – but if you knew two dozen, it would start to look unlikely. As it is, 43 is more or less dog level, and dogs often cross roads unharmed. But I do admit it sounds unlikely-low, this needs be checked.

  217. @AaronB

    How black is that “black” African really ? Looks like an Arab with only a little black admixture.

  218. Anonymous[762] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fennesz

    Are you Ted Sallis/Michael Rienzi by any chance? Sallis/Rienzi has some ethnic insecurities that make him very hostile towards Lynn and other northern Europeans. A major part of his intense interest in and support for Pan-Europeanism and Imperium seems to be a desire to assuage his insecurities by subsuming northern Europeans in a broader, more inclusive identity and polity.

    Nassim Taleb is a Lebanese with similar insecurities that have motivated his recent attacks on IQ.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Fennesz
  219. @Okechukwu

    Do Africans behave like Down Syndrom sufferers?

    Doesn’t prove anything. For instance, take yourself. I suspect you are perfectly functional in everyday life. You come off as reasonably intelligent in superficial conversations. It is only when discussions become longer and more sophisticated that your mental inadequacies come to light (e.g. believing that PPP adjustments are a fraud and that Sub-Saharan Africa has a relatively bigger middle class than China – and not even having the social intelligence to keep mum about it).

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  220. utu says:
    @AaronB

    I wanted to give a perfect example of Backpfeifengesicht which happens to belong to the author of this IQ compilation.

  221. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You don’t get it.

    Its because I am not satisfied with flawed maps that I search for and find better ones – and use the best ones under the circumstances.

    Under these circumstances – opacity – history, observed empirical patterns, and granular detail are a better map than this abstract generalizing known as IQ, which correlates poorly to the terrain.

    Its people like you who pretend to a level of precision you don’t have that puts everyone’s life on the plane in danger. I’d use an old pilot who used to fly that route, whereas you’d use maps drawn up according to the latest technology – even if its proven those maps correlate poorly to the terrain.

    You can’t accept lack of precision.

    And it is my epistemic humility that will drive me to build better models as much as possible, and use the most effective ones in the interim – whereas your desire to project certainty will lead you to use the spuriously precise but ineffective ones now, and “develop” them rather than discard them for better ones.

    So it is that pig headed scholastic certainty is always an epistemic dead end, and it is the iconoclastic honest adventurer that discovers new knowledge.

    IQ people are image men – their critics are substance men.

    • Replies: @utu
  222. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Darwin him self said it isn’t the strongest or the most brilliant and capable that survive, but the most adaptable.

    From that POV, it looks like neither whites nor Asians will win the Darwinian race, but those Cambodians you think are so shitty, who don’t suffer from the pathologies of modernity.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Talha
  223. AaronB says:
    @Edward

    As the late mathematician Sir Michael Atiyah once remarked, only three people in history can really be considered geniuses: Mozart, von Neumann and Ramanujan.

    Facepalm.

    I think you and res need to go sit in the corner with your backs to the wall for a while.

    So much concentrated silliness needs time to evaporate before you can return to the conversation.

    • Replies: @Edward
  224. @AnonFromTN

    Modern day Iraqis are descended from them

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AP
  225. @Edward

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/recent

    It is very clear that NE Asian scientists publish on Science all the time.

    Yan Zhao, Shanshuang Chen, Wei-Jun Qian, Kiyoshi Nagai, Daiki Ikuta…

    Of course we are doing science..and actually top-level science. Definitely not as much as Nordic people per capita but we are definitely producing good science.

  226. @Edward

    I’m aware of those individuals, but for the size and populations of the countries, the number is relatively minuscule. Ramanujin, while a fascinating individual, didn’t do all that much research wise. Hardy said he had powers similar to the great mathematicians, but in lesser degree. Well there it is. The Brahmins were a fascinating group, and almost invented calculus independently in the early modern period.

    Von Neumann said the only “great” mathematician he ever knew was hilbert. I am regarding European Jews as an outgrowth of Europe, with substantial European genes, however much they want to think otherwise. Why would you assume von Neumann so much greater than galois or weierstrauss or Euler or gauss?

    My point is not to degrade Asians—the data says they are better at math, but they for some reason don’t wish to DO much with the ability. Don’t forget the Indian Brahmins have a common ancestry with Europeans.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Edward
  227. @Anonymous

    Lebanese are actually doing well. So they have no need to be insecure over IQ. If anything they need to stop first cousin marriages and use their wealth to do some IQ-boosting (e.g. take some nootropics and micronutrient pills).

    • Replies: @AaronB
  228. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Uncontrolled population explosion only multiplies already existent genetic material but does not change it. For that long term selection would be necessary, not a few decades.

    But that wasn’t the question. What you asked was:

    please explain how the introduction of modern technology, infrastructure, healthcare and education ( all byproducts of colonialism) “lowered the world’s IQ”

    IQ is not solely or even primarily genetically determined. IQ is the outcome of a genotype by environment interaction.

    Bring up a child with a dozen siblings in a slum in Ibadan or a mud hut in Niger, with few means to survive other than beggary or theft, and their IQ is likely to be lower than that of a child raised with fewer siblings in an industrializing society where there are opportunities to gain hands on experience of industrial technique or gain awareness of other advancements in civilization that can broaden mental horizons, and provide opportunities for education.

  229. @AaronB

    Well, evolutionarily speaking it is likely that you are right.

    If NE Asians are doomed to be destroyed I will try my best to support whites. If both races are doomed to be destroyed I will try my best to support Arabs to be the rulers of this planet so that it won’t become black. Indians and Iranians are good. However they might be too soft to police blacks and keep them in Sub-Saharan Africa. With Arabs there are no such concerns because I know that they are doing a good job and will continue to do well in this respect.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  230. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Really? Arabs descended from Sumerians and Babylonians? If you believe that, I have a mountain to sell you.

  231. Edward says:
    @Juchen

    You’re delusional. Nigeria’s GDP per capita (PPP) is significantly lower than India’s. Ghana’s is even lower than Nigeria’s!

    What are the present achievements of Nigeria? Does it, like India, have a successful space program that has broken records and aided in discovering water on Mars?

    What historical achievements does Nigeria have?

    India was a cradle of civilization (along with China, Mesopotamia and Egypt). The Greeks travelled to India to witness the first cataract, plastic and bladder surgeries being performed. Indians were among the first to practice dentistry. They were the first to standardize instruments (inventing the weighing scale and the ruler). They invented chess. Their economy dominated the global landscape from Roman times up until the 11th Century.

    They were the first to use zero as a number; our numeral system (1-9) comes from India; modern arithmetic (referred to as “Modus Indorum”, or “method of the Indians” by the medieval Europeans) comes from India; modern trigonometry (including sine and cosine) comes from India. They were the first to realize that quadratic equations can have two solutions (both positive and negative), that one divided by zero is infinity, and pioneered the use of negative numbers. They were the first to develop a power series, two centuries before the invention of calculus.

    People of Indian origin have won two Fields Medals and an Abel Prize and two Nevanlinna Prizes; they’ve won two Nobels in Physics, one in Chemistry, one in Physiology/Medicine, one in Economics and two in Literature. How many have Nigerians won?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Juchen
  232. @Chaotic Neutral

    It really depends on which white groups we compare NE Asian ethnic groups to. It is very hard to do better than Germans while doing better than Albanians is fairly easy. While NE Asian groups definitely can not compete with Nordics Japanese are definitely at least comparable to northern Slavs (i.e. Poles, Russians) in terms of Nobel Prizes per capita despite the fact that the data in East Europe is inflated by Ashkenazis.

    In terms of recent scientific progress different NE Asian groups have to be somewhere lower than Nordics and higher than Albania. Maybe Japan is comparable to Spain or Portugal. As for China I really don’t know. We have a lot of papers from both China & Taiwan & Singapore and the diaspora. However Chinese are a huge group so this might not indicate a high innovation rate.

    As for other groups Turks, Arabs, Indians and Persians show up on top journals all the time. As for blacks they simply don’t show up in general.

  233. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Another very effective Lebanese individual is Carlos Ghosn – rather too effective for his Japanese hosts.

    For such a shrewd individual, practiced in the ways of the world, I cannot understand how did not realize the Japanese would never let him become too effective – certainly not at their expense.

    He must have known at the beginning his tenure in Japan was going to have an expiration point – how did he not read the tea leaves? Or did he grow arrogant and careless?

    His refusal to bend under Japanese torture so far is impressive – an ornery individual. And if he gets out of this ahead of his captors then he will have the last laugh and not I.

    Time will tell. But his fate was predictable.

  234. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    I believe that only the competent deserves to inherit the world

    A core competency of all biological systems is propagating one’s genetics – i.e. having kids. That is literally the main competency that you need – rabbits and salmon have figured it out.

    deserves

    Deserve’s got nothing to do with it:

    whatever means from transhumanism to social engineering

    Very simple; find a mate, have sex (it’s fun) and have kids and raise them (less fun, but worth it). I would say, people who cannot figure out the core competency that neolithic peoples could, are kind of voting with their feet that they do not want to be here.

    Peace.

  235. Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    If you take a broad view, things aren’t that inconsistent with IQ data. Some of the most significant early innovations were in East Asia such as pottery, alcohol, tea, domesticating the dog, chicken, etc. By contrast, Africans never domesticated any animals.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Okechukwu
  236. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @res

    One of the most interesting things about your comments is how IQ tests are BS overall, but Feynman’s single score of 124 (I usually see that given as 125, and it was self reported) on a school age IQ test is gospel truth.

    You misunderstand me. I have never said that IQ test scores are fake or not more or less consistent from one time to another in a particular individual or population. IQ tests undoubtedly measures something. Indeed, what I have said is that IQ tests largely indicate basic literacy and numeracy, with aptitude in dealing with the diagrammatic stuff being related to educational exposure to graphs and charts, etc.

    The point about Feynman’s score of 124, or was it 123 or 125, is that it was in no way indicative of his mathematical originality or his profound capability in the world of quantum physics.

    And, as my comment above made clear, Feynman’s is merely one of a number of known or probable cases of genius associated with only a modest IQ test score.

    The account I read of Feynman’s IQ was in fact given by his wife, responding to a call from a teacher at their son’s school concerned that Richard, Jr. had scored only 125, or maybe it was 124, on a school administered IQ test, leading the teacher to assume the boy must have been ill that day. In response, Feynman’s wife replied, “no, he’s a chip off the old block, his father scored 123.”

    The story about Feynman IQ is also supported, as I know you are aware, by his abysmal score on tests unrelated to math and physics at entry to Princeton’s grad school, and also by his sister’s claim (she was also a physicist) to have an IQ of 124, one point higher than Richard’s.

    So no, I do not say that IQ tests are BS. I just say they don’t measure intelligence. Also I say that they are heavily dependent on environmental factors, particularly schooling.

    But it is the idea that IQ predicts a person’s potential in life that seems to me to be utterly preposterous and an insidiously unscientific notion.

    I mean, do you really think William Shakespeare would have scored a full 800 points on the SAT Math test. Yet William Shakespeare was undoubtedly a genius. But, as I have noted above, I do think that giving everyone a numerical “intelligence” ranking is a very handy way of establishing an authoritarian system of social control, especially as the idea has so many enthusiastic supporters.

  237. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    but the most adaptable.

    For consideration – a new study out of Germany:
    “Results reveal a significantly positive effect of oneness beliefs on life satisfaction, even
    rendering the effect of some religious affiliations insignificant or negative….. Thereby, research results from various disciplines point to the positive effects of feeling at one with life, connected to others, or connected to nature on adaptation, well-being, and life satisfaction….studies conducted in this article establish a valid and reliable measurement instrument and reveal robust adaptation-enhancing effects of oneness beliefs, thereby contributing to the literature on the psychology of religion and spirituality.”
    https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/rel-rel0000259.pdf

    Note the breakout for religions on page 9 as well as economic condition – it actually starts to trend downward after you reach a nice place in higher/upper middle class.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  238. dearieme says:
    @NoopNoop

    No. There were only 650k Nepali children born each year in the early 1980s. Suppose the Nepali standard deviation for IQ is 10, the mean being only 43. My pal’s IQ is presumably 8 or 9 SDs from the mean.

    How many babies a year were born with an IQ like his? Essentially none.

    So either the Nepali IQ curve is not Gaussian, or its mean is not remotely 43, or its SD is not remotely 10.

  239. @AaronB

    Right, one doesn’t need any special equipment, only a pencil and paper to do top flight theoretical math. The SAT would suggest they have some advantage. I worked with a Chinese lady who would always say that, that the Chinese are more spiritual than technical in fact. They’re simply different—there are unquantifiable cognitive faculties.

    But I wager they are more likely to still be here in two millennia than we Europeans! (Assuming you’re European here)

    • Replies: @utu
    , @EastKekistani
    , @AaronB
  240. utu says:
    @AaronB

    Keep in mind that your interlocutor is the 21 century Mowgli who was raised by video games. He thinks that the world can be computed nonetheless Godel and P vs. NP.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  241. Talha says:
    @Talha

    It would have been nice if they tracked intelligence (even though they did track education)…

  242. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Doesn’t prove anything. For instance, take yourself. I suspect you are perfectly functional in everyday life. You come off as reasonably intelligent in superficial conversations. It is only when discussions become longer and more sophisticated that your mental inadequacies come to light (e.g. believing that PPP adjustments are a fraud and that Sub-Saharan Africa has a relatively bigger middle class than China – and not even having the social intelligence to keep mum about it).

    Yet I’m much smarter than you as many of your own readers (fans of yours) have conceded. As I recall, one specifically indicated that I was debating you under the table — on your own blog. That wasn’t the only time that observation was made in reference to my interaction with you on your blog.

    Ladies and gentleman, Karlin is the idiot that thinks it’s impossible for a black person to visit Moscow, or have white employees, or have a Russian girlfriend or be successful and wealthy, etc.

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks that China will overtake the USA in aircraft carriers in 20 years.

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks his uninformed, idiotic, unfiltered, unedited conspiracist tabloid screeds are more credible than pieces from professional news organizations like the NYT and Washington Post.

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks Los Angeles is more expensive than Moscow.

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks the USA in more in danger of collapse and fragmentation than that rickety house of cards called Russia. I pointed Karlin to the international bond markets where Russian sovereign debt is a high risk/high reward asset because no one knows if Russia will even be around upon maturity of the instrument. On the other hand, US debt pays negative yields and still attracts investors. All of that went right over Karlin’s pointy head.

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks Russia is a global economic powerhouse even though it has a smaller GDP than New York City.

    I could go on and on. Bear in mind, I have read and commented on less than 1% of his articles. Imagine the gold nuggets of Karlin stupidity I could mine if I seriously made the time to read and comment on more of his “contributions.”

    • LOL: res, Truth
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @res
  243. I had posted part this as part of a reply on another article. But it bears repeating here too:

    This contemporary obsession with IQ is a curious one, especially given that the people responsible for the postwar unraveling of traditional society have mainly been high-IQ whites. Which is not meant as a criticism of highly refined intellect and capacity for innovation as such. However, society fails to understand that none of those things—high standard of living, individualism, technological innovation—can be accepted for “free”. To put it another way, each advantage and innovation are borne out of an impulse to improve the lot of a people, but also carries with it attendant implications and consequences unforeseen even by creators or their communities. In essence, such things become Faustian pacts which we cannot reverse.

    So “whites” can “celebrate” their collective high IQ, but they cannot escape the reality that the disintegration and perversion of the world they had known is being effected by their elite kinfolk.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  244. Edward says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Today’s Iraqis, Syrians and Turks are closely related to the ancient Egyptians, according to the latest evidence. It’s true that the ancient Egyptians have very little affinity with sub-Saharan Africans, but there’s no question that they are quite closely related to modern-day Iraqis and Syrians.

    Scientists have extracted and analyzed DNA from mummies that are thousands of years old, and they have found that the ancient Egyptians are actually more genetically similar to people living today in the Near East — countries like Israel, Lebanon, and Syria — than modern-day Egyptians.

    It turns out that, on a genetic level, the ancient Egyptians aren’t so different from modern people living in the Near East. In fact, they have more in common with those in the Near East than today’s Egyptians. For example, the mummies didn’t have any DNA from sub-Saharan Africa, whereas about 20 percent of today’s Egyptians have sub-Saharan genes.

    The same is true of the ancient Mesopotamians; they are closely related to the modern-day populations in Iraq and the surrounding area.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  245. Edward says:
    @AaronB

    So much concentrated silliness?

    I’ve already debunked your claims about mathematicians and their continental origins. East and South Asians do just fine today, and if it wasn’t for the Indian mathematicians of the classical period (along with the Greeks, of course, as well as the Arabs and the Persians who translated the work of both), modern mathematics (and indeed the modern world) wouldn’t be possible. Ancient Chinese mathematicians also did a lot, although most of it wasn’t transmitted elsewhere.

    Now, you’re right to post a picture of David Blackwell. He was a (or maybe the) genuinely brilliant African-American mathematician, best known for the theorem he produced along with the renowned Indian statistician CR Rao.

    But, isn’t it interesting that he looks like a cross between Milton Friedman and Amartya Sen, even in colour photos?

  246. As a Latin American is sad that Amerindians in Guatemala or Bolivia aren’t that bright, however is great to see Mexico and Peru doing relatively well, nothing better than the strenghtening of the descedants of the Aztec and Incan empires! Mexico and Peru could be the strongest powers in the Americas if they keep improving, stronger than United States and Brazil I hope so.

  247. @Okechukwu

    Ladies and gentleman, Karlin is the idiot that thinks it’s impossible for a black person to visit Moscow, or have white employees, or have a Russian girlfriend or be successful and wealthy, etc.

    No, I don’t. Accomplishing all that while being a dishonest retard who trolls HBD blogs – yes, a that’s much harder to credit.

    To address your sole factual claims above:

    … that thinks that China will overtake the USA in aircraft carriers in 20 years.

    Incorrect. I said it would overtake the US in naval power on that time horizon: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sinotriumph-101/

    I seem to be on track: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/tracking-chinas-naval-power/

    that thinks Los Angeles is more expensive than Moscow.

    Hmm… who should one trust, a chronic fabulist, or PPP comparisons and the aggregated observations of many people?
    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=United+States&city2=Los+Angeles%2C+CA

    Consumer Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 73.49% higher than in Moscow
    Consumer Prices Including Rent in Los Angeles, CA are 102.90% higher than in Moscow
    Rent Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 154.21% higher than in Moscow
    Restaurant Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 78.27% higher than in Moscow
    Groceries Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 115.89% higher than in Moscow

    that thinks Russia is a global economic powerhouse even though it has a smaller GDP than New York City.

    Citations needed. (Me saying Russia is a global economic powerhouse).
    That said, comparing Russia to NYC is mostly just a rhetorical exercise, with little relevance outside finance. As a PPP denialist conspiracy theorist, I understand that you would disagree.

    Bear in mind, I have read and commented on less than 1% of his articles.

    Do feel free to continue making a fool out of yourself. I won’t hinder you.

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    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  248. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    Do you have references to support any of your assertions?

    As the Texans say, you are all hat and no cattle.

  249. Okechukwu says:
    @Edward

    You’re delusional. Nigeria’s GDP per capita (PPP) is significantly lower than India’s. Ghana’s is even lower than Nigeria’s!

    Both country’s real GDP is about the same. In the past Nigeria has been significantly ahead of India. In fact a few years ago it was noted that Sub-Saharan Africans were wealthier per capita than Indians. I believe those circumstances have changed recently but who knows what the future holds.

    What are the present achievements of Nigeria? Does it, like India, have a successful space program that has broken records and aided in discovering water on Mars?

    Any country that wants to waste money on space programs and shots to Mars can do so. Thoughtful Indians will tell you that India has better places to spend its money than messing around in space.

    What historical achievements does Nigeria have?

    Nigeria is an artificially contrived colonial construct. But the people in the area that is today called Nigeria have plenty of historical achievements. From The Walls of Benin to Ife to Igbo-Ukwu and many more. One thing Nigerians were able to do was defeat European armies — something India wasn’t able to accomplish.

    People of Indian origin have won two Fields Medals and an Abel Prize and two Nevanlinna Prizes; they’ve won two Nobels in Physics, one in Chemistry, one in Physiology/Medicine, one in Economics and two in Literature. How many have Nigerians won?

    India has 7 times the population of Nigeria and is perfectly situated to take advantage of the flow of ideas and technology. What’s amazing is how little India has accomplished given its leverage. You bet that in the future there will be black African Nobel and Fields winners. They simply have not been in the mix until very recently. Similarly, there would have been no European or Indian winners of any math or science awards issued by Ancient Nubia or Ancient Egypt.

    • Replies: @Edward
    , @EastKekistani
  250. @Edward

    You say that you have a problem with Iraq having a 9 point IQ superiority over Iran, but you are OK with Iraq having a 5 point advantage.

    I don’t understand. Iran can build its own weapons systems, nuclear and space programs. Iraq could never do any of that. It seems totally implausible that Iraq has a higher average IQ than Iran at all.

    And why is Iraq’s IQ so much higher than Syria’s?

    Also, out of interest, why is Nepal’s IQ so much lower than those countries around it? If Tibet’s IQ were measured separate from China’s, would it be extremely low like Nepal’s? I understand that you yourself are questioning the level of Nepal’s IQ as measured in this study, but why would Nepal’s be less accurate than Bhutan’s or India’s? Do Nepalis really have a lower IQ than the countries around them?

    • Replies: @L.K
  251. @Thulean Friend

    Well, I agree with you, but the article talks about the monetary differences based on IQ, that is what i was addressing.

  252. Edward says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    Ramanujin, while a fascinating individual, didn’t do all that much research wise.

    Ramanujan discovered almost 4000 results. Ever heard of the Ramaujan prime and the Ramanujan theta function? His work is currently being used to study black holes. He has an entire peer-reviewed journal dedicated to his work, which opened up many new avenues of mathematical research.

    Without his work on congruences and the tau function, the theory of Galois representations may never have come into being, and without that, it’s unlikely that Andrew Wiles would have been able to prove Fermat’s last theorem (it’s also worth noting that the proof would not have been possible without the work of the Japanese mathematicians Taniyama and Shimura). Ramanujan’s work on partitions was used by Niels Bohr and others in their work on atomic theory.

    Hardy had the following to say about Ramanujan:

    His insight into formulae was quite amazing, and altogether beyond anything I have met with in any European mathematician… What he actually did is wonderful enough…when the researches which his work has suggested have been completed, it will probably seem a good deal more wonderful than it does today…

    [I have] never met his equal, and can compare him only with Euler or Jacobi…

    It is worth noting that Hardy’s prediction about the importance of Ramanujan’s work was spot-on. Meanwhile, according to Paul Erdos, this was Hardy’s assessment of Ramanujan’s talent:

    Suppose that we rate mathematicians on the basis of pure talent on a scale from 0 to 100, Hardy gave himself a score of 25, J. E. Littlewood 30, David Hilbert 80 and Ramanujan 100.

    You’re also misinformed about Indian population genetics. Brahmins tend have more Eurasian steppe (Aryan) ancestry than people in their surrounding geographic area. But South Indian Brahmins still have very little Aryan ancestry (just a bit more than other people in their area).The lower and middle castes of North India have more Aryan ancestry than the South Indian (including Tamil) Brahmins. Overall, according to the latest paper, no Indian subgroup/caste has Aryan ancestry that exceeds 26 or 27% – and that’s the Khatri group from the Punjab (middle-caste traders and merchants, probably represent the plurality of Indians in Britain).

    It’s also worth noting that there are other talented non-Brahmin groups in India (e.g. the Kayasthas and Khatris). Brahmins haven’t won all of India’s Nobel Prizes, mathematical awards, and so on.

    • Replies: @Chaotic Neutral
  253. utu says:
    @Chaotic neutral

    I worked with a Chinese lady who would always say that, that the Chinese are more spiritual than technical in fact.

    Some Chinese that I knew who were very good at technical and scientific things also exhibited some quality that I would call being reverent for life and it s complexity. While among many American techies and also Hindu techies there is this sense of arrogance. Some kind of inhuman technocracy like in A. Karlin. Though in case of Karlin this is partly a pose because that what he opted for as his source of income. Possibly in private when nobody sees Karlin is different.

    At least the Chinese I knew seemed to be more complete, more harmonious. Are Chinese more spiritual? They are more humble and willing to accept some intractable mysteries and even engage in some magical thinking (superstitions) which stem from some old traditions which among Westerners they were ridiculed long time ago. OTOH Westerners have their own magical thinking which chiefly stems from the mistakes they make in the epistemic process which often manifest itself as reification. So seeming out of nowhere they are willing to talk about something as if it had ontological solidity of the ground on which they stand like for instance Spearman’s and Jensen’s g. When the magic word “g” is uttered in a sentence like “something something is g-loaded” they fell reverently silent and start nodding knowingly.

    But there are silly and stupid Chinese who have extremely thin skin and are butt-hurt though not as much as Hindu and Pakistanis and some Eastern Europeans including Russians.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  254. Okechukwu says:
    @Edward

    It’s true that the ancient Egyptians have very little affinity with sub-Saharan Africans

    Well, actual scholars and Egyptologists who have devoted their lives to this topic would beg to differ.

    Nice try though.

  255. @Lloyd

    All you have to do is go over there and see for yourself, but nobody wants to do that…

    LOL.

  256. My conclusion is that most of these third world countries have shortage of very brilliant people at high positions. What positions you are given in life depends on connection, family, friends and your wealth. There is a systematic misplacement of workers. You see this across the African continent but also in Latin-America, Middle East and Asia. This may be controversial but it is also the case for an increasing number of Western European countries. Once upon a time a smart kid from the working class could rise if he did well in school. Today, this smart kid with ambitions and who go to college will end up working a menial job while a more well-connected person is given. Good traits like intelligence, logic, common sense, loyalty and a sense of community is not valued anymore.

    Only “social skills” is valued and few know what these skills are. In most Western countries “teaching” as a profession has been defined as a “social skill”. Knowledge has been replaced with pedagogy and teacher-centred teaching has been replaced by supervising and coaching. A significant number of smart people are deselected. You can see this in our Austrian engineering colleges. Kids are told that they should study engineering focusing on green energy and climate-change hysteria. Such degrees are worth little on the labour market but government thinks it is great that they have more believers. More so, western countries don’t produce much anymore. My once respect field of engineering have turned to “consultation” – meaning shuffling papers and writing Power-Points rather than practicing actual engineering. Education is constantly devalued, feminized, massively distributed and turned into liberal ideology.

    We don’t live in an intellectual hierarchy anymore. We live in a world where meritocracy is dying for equality. Jews (and other minorities) understand this. So long you have an average intelligence you can do most jobs (very few jobs requires you to use your full intellectual capacity) so there is no reason for them not to hiring friends, family and co-ethnics. Our labor market also values superficial things as I previously wrote. Western countries have gone from productive economies to mainly a speculative and service based economies. Yes, there is the field of IT-technology but it is a small field and it is automatized. I don’t intelligence (if you are not really smart) will help you anymore but rather who you know. More so, white women are not having babies anymore as they have entered the work-force. Men cluster in the bottom and the top while women cluster around the median. Speculative, we would most likely have brighter population if women returned to a traditional role but I doubt this will happen.

    In the end I don’t think white men are particular smart. Intelligence is worth little alone without social and economic sphere to practice it – this is why mass-education is simply a waste of money, time and human resources. Africans win the demographic war and whites do not. Sure, it is funded and supported by the white liberal elite but still. These white liberals will burn their fingers as Africans are smart enough to vote, wage wars and build societies. Non-whites have never been idiots but whites (bright or not) are complete idiots as they seem to have no will to power or for that matter survival.

    • Replies: @utu
  257. @AaronB

    No one expected Europe.

    Despite the feeble efforts of some to trace European genius into the Paleolithic.

    Slovenian Marsh Yields World’s Oldest Wheel

    It would not surprise me one bit and would truly be in keeping with historical patterns if Africa were the site if the next major human advance, in 200 years.

    I was going to LOL but then I thought, 200 years is a good timeframe, too far in the future to be falsifiable. If you were to ask a hippie who joined the Peace Corps and went to Africa in 1968 to make a prediction what Africa would be like after 50 years, he would confidently say it would be 100% 1st world by then.

  258. Edward says:
    @Okechukwu

    Both country’s real GDP is about the same.

    This is clearly what Anatoly Karlin warned us about: you appear to think PPP is a fraud, even though it’s superior to nominal GDP per capita when it comes to comparing living standards between countries. PPP-wise, India is wealthier than Nigeria, Ghana and sub-Saharan Africa as a whole.

    The fact of the matter is that extreme poverty is dramatically falling in India. It’s actually rising in absolute terms in Nigeria, and it’s not looking too good in sub-Saharan Africa as a whole. As the Brookings Institution says, “extreme poverty in today’s world is largely about Africa… Already, Africans account for about two-thirds of the world’s extreme poor. If current trends persist, they will account for nine-tenths by 2030… extreme poverty in Nigeria is growing by six people every minute, while poverty in India continues to fall.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2018/06/19/the-start-of-a-new-poverty-narrative/

    Thoughtful Indians will tell you that India has better places to spend its money than messing around in space.

    Given that India has become the premier destination for launching satellites at a low-cost, it’s actually economically rational: it’s creating thousands of well-paid jobs and attracting inward investment from other countries.

    From The Walls of Benin to Ife to Igbo-Ukwu and many more.

    Do these really compare to the medical, surgical, mathematical, scientific, literary and indeed architectural achievements of non-African countries, including India?

    One thing Nigerians were able to do was defeat European armies — something India wasn’t able to accomplish.

    The Indians defeated the British – or held them to a draw – on a number of occasions. It took Britain a century to acquire most of the territory of the Indian subcontinent, and they did so as much by force as by invitation and diplomacy. The British Empire itself in India lasted less than 89 years, and the British were forced to devolve more and more power to the Indians from the 1910s onward.

    It would be hard to argue that India had ever really been “conquered”: the British were initially the “invited” rulers of parts of India and battles were won as much by covert diplomacy as fighting. In one sense, the Raj could barely be called British at all. A few thousand Brits perched, often rather distantly, atop administrative, military and commercial pyramids of hundreds of thousands of Indians. By 1942 even the cherished Indian Civil Service — Lloyd George’s “steel frame” — was predominantly Indian, the judiciary having been almost wholly indianised by the 1920s.

    https://www.ft.com/content/dfb65a78-6eb3-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926

    India has 7 times the population of Nigeria and is perfectly situated to take advantage of the flow of ideas and technology. What’s amazing is how little India has accomplished given its leverage. You bet that in the future there will be black African Nobel and Fields winners. They simply have not been in the mix until very recently.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has almost the same population as India. I’m very skeptical that we’ll see a black Nobel or Fields winner any time soon.

    Similarly, there would have been no European or Indian winners of any math or science awards issued by Ancient Nubia or Ancient Egypt.

    Ancient Nubia achieved virtually nothing in the domain of mathematics. Ancient Egypt achieved some things, but modern mathematics owes itself to the Greeks, the Indians, the Arabs, the Persians and the Northwestern Europeans, chiefly.

    Crucially, however, ancient Egypt was not a sub-Saharan African civilization. Contrary to your claim made in a separate response, most scholars do not consider ancient Egypt to have been a black African civilization, and genetic evidence confirms this, as I demonstrated above. The ancient Egyptians had virtually no sub-Saharan African DNA: they are closely related to modern-day Syrians, Iraqis and Turks.

  259. @puck

    My memory says 99 in the table.

  260. utu says:
    @The Engineer

    ‘We don’t live in an intellectual hierarchy anymore.’ – We never did. When Plato wrote Republic it was his Utopia, fantasy.

  261. @AnonFromTN

    Iraqis are mainly not descendants of the relatively small Arab army that brought Islamic rule and Arabic language to Iraq in the 7th century to their country. They are culturally arabized descendants of the Sumerians and the (Semitic) Akkadians who developed the oldest civilization of the world.

    • Agree: Talha, Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonFromTN
  262. utu says:
    @Edward

    “They became the 7th country/institution to orbit the moon..” The rocket that get them there was American Space X. The lander that crashed was Israeli. Money was from Jewish oligarchs like Sheldon Adelson.

  263. @Edward

    That’s really interesting. Yes, I had read those hardy quotes, but I had read more measured comments elsewhere. I am not really at a level to understand ramanujins work in all honesty. You know, the vast majority of Europeans don’t think about whether x y or z is European—we are quite individualistic—that sort of chauvinism is a Non European trait. I think most Europeans or the people I know would be completely unsurprised and happy if all the great work from here on out was done by Chinese.

    Vishwanathan anand, the Indian chess champ is also a South Indian Brahmin. Fascinating group.

    What is your background? Mathematician?

  264. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    For someone who scored quite the number on some undoubtedly legit iq test, your English is rather scuffed as a ”Dane/Swede” both of which are generally good at English and could come up with something definitely much better than what you typed in.

  265. @Anonymous

    If you take a broad view, things aren’t that inconsistent with IQ data. Some of the most significant early innovations were in East Asia such as pottery, alcohol, tea, domesticating the dog, chicken, etc. By contrast, Africans never domesticated any animals.

    Well, that honor belongs to Middle Easterners. They figured out agriculture thousands of years before us. We did figure out pottery and maybe rice production & pig raising on our own though. Having tea isn’t really an achievement because tea is native to China and almost all non-blacks in similar situations would have figured this out. Blacks can’t though for it was Arabs (!) who brought coffee back to Yemen from Ethiopia and made use of it. We figured out cast iron, gunpowder, examination system, repeating crossbows, traction trebuchet, etc.

    As usual all Eurasians and North Africans and sometimes even native Americans generally get something done while blacks don’t get it done.

  266. Factorize says:
    @Lloyd

    Lloyd, thank you for these first hand observations. As you noted, it is all too easy to make armchair assessments based entirely on second hand reports. I am fascinated by the idea that the people in Sierra Leone have adapted to their local environments over the last many (tens or even hundreds of) thousands of years. They fit and belong in their circumstances in a way that New World Europeans are unable to claim. The level of intelligence that they demonstrate is that which has been found to be adaptive to them over long stretches of time. Describing their intelligence as high or low would seem somewhat beside the point. It is a stable equilibrium intelligence level. A stable equilibrium intelligence level is exactly what is missing in nearly all contemporary European and Asian populations. The dramatic collapse in total fertility rates in these developed regions suggests that sustainable demographics and high psychometric potential are not compatible over the long term. It is possible that the very survival of the European and Asian peoples is dependent upon them not being so smart: Those trying to outsmart evolution might be dooming us all to extinction.

    I did some armchair sleuthing on Sierra Leone. wiki reports that it has two universities. Their total university system has perhaps only a few thousand students. One of the universities shown on wiki is a single building that appears to be the size of a typical high school. From what I see, they have a very elite model for their tertiary education system. At the same time, many developed nations are moving towards near universal university access. This might partly help explain your experiences as a teacher there.

    Below is the Global HDI Map. It is quite striking to me how closely the IQ and HDI maps align. Even where there are discrepancies (such as with China), HDI is rapidly moving into agreement with IQ. If we can shift the operational focus from IQ (a somewhat rigid and possibly largely unchangeable variable) to HDI, then we could productively discuss ways in which the lives of underdeveloped nations could be improved instead of endlessly dwelling on things that can’t be. For instance, Sierra Leone has high rates of illiteracy and low rates of educational attainment. It is not unreasonable to expect that the human potential latent there could not be developed and put to productive use.

  267. @Chaotic neutral

    Right, one doesn’t need any special equipment, only a pencil and paper to do top flight theoretical math. The SAT would suggest they have some advantage. I worked with a Chinese lady who would always say that, that the Chinese are more spiritual than technical in fact. They’re simply different—there are unquantifiable cognitive faculties.

    Hmmm.. China has always been one of the least spiritual and least religious societies on this planet since at least Zhou Dynasty. Confucius was an apatheist. There were and are religions but never Abrahamic religion-style religious power after the fall of Shang Dynasty. The Mandarin mainstream culture was slightly hostile to religion. No we aren’t Indian.

    But I wager they are more likely to still be here in two millennia than we Europeans! (Assuming you’re European here)

    Not really. We NE Asians have lower genetic diversity and higher mutational cost compared to white people and pretty much everyone else except for Ashkenazi Jews. If anything we are even more fragile than whites. We have an even more horrifying TFR too. Moreover NE Asia and the NE Asian diaspora have a fairly significant amount of lifelong virgins.

  268. Talha says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    True Arabs are those that descend from one of the actual tribes:

    Otherwise they are Arabized people as you stated.

    It is important to note that the borders of Iraq actually cover the regions inhabited by some of the ancient tribes like Bani Tamim – those people are still quite knowledgeable about their lineage.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  269. AP says:
    @Epigon

    Apparently the Ukraine figure listed here is based on a single study of 130 14-17 year olds. Until more people are found it’s dumb to list this result as the likely national IQ of the country.

    Converting scores on achievement tests such as PISA has its own problems, but is probably a better way to go because it at least involves 100,000s of people (or more).

  270. AP says:
    @Juchen

    Only thing this study is proving to me is that IQ fails as a valid metric of intelligence.

    The problems with this summary of national IQs is in the summary’s methodology and conclusions, not in the idea of IQ.

    Estimating national IQ on a single study with a few dozen people doesn’t prove anything about IQ as a measure of intelligence.

  271. utu says:
    @Edward

    Karlin likes GDP (PPP) because then Russia is on the 6th place instead of the 12th where it sits next to S. Korea and Spain. When you use GDP (PPP) the trope of Russia as a gas station equipped with nuclear weapons is less convincing.

    I am sure one can get different PPPs depending on what kind of goods basket is used. How for example the consumption of manioc in Africa is compared (recalculated) into the consumption of quinoa in Peru?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  272. songbird says:
    @Chewie111

    I wonder how they perform if you separate the Hmong.

  273. @Okechukwu

    Kèdú! (Yes, I know you are an Igbo which is very obvious from your name. How is everything in Igboland these days? For example what’s up with that market in Aba?)

    Both country’s real GDP is about the same. In the past Nigeria has been significantly ahead of India. In fact a few years ago it was noted that Sub-Saharan Africans were wealthier per capita than Indians. I believe those circumstances have changed recently but who knows what the future holds.

    In what sense? Is Lagos State richer than Tamil Nadu?

    Any country that wants to waste money on space programs and shots to Mars can do so. Thoughtful Indians will tell you that India has better places to spend its money than messing around in space.

    What? So you guys don’t want to get into space at all?! Do you understand how important space programs are to a great nation?

    Nigeria is an artificially contrived colonial construct. But the people in the area that is today called Nigeria have plenty of historical achievements. From The Walls of Benin to Ife to Igbo-Ukwu and many more. One thing Nigerians were able to do was defeat European armies — something India wasn’t able to accomplish.

    I know about the Walls of Edo City. Yes it is now called Benin City, the capital of Edo State. Ife is Yoruba and Igbo-Ukwu is obviously Igbo.

    Did you know that Britain lost the first war with Marathas? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Maratha_War That’s just Marathas..Indians defeated Europeans multiple times including in the relatively recent war with Portugal over Goa.

    India has 7 times the population of Nigeria and is perfectly situated to take advantage of the flow of ideas and technology. What’s amazing is how little India has accomplished given its leverage. You bet that in the future there will be black African Nobel and Fields winners. They simply have not been in the mix until very recently. Similarly, there would have been no European or Indian winners of any math or science awards issued by Ancient Nubia or Ancient Egypt.

    I’m sorry but neither Ancient Nubia and Ancient Egypt were black.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  274. wayfarer says:

    A cosmic dance, with “Creation.”

    As a thought experiment, neutralize ego and strive to animate an unassuming self.

    Stay humble, silent, and perceptive.

    “Intelligent Infinity” it seems, is then more inclined to offer magical guidance, through intuition and synchronicity.

    Be grateful, for every protection.

  275. utu says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    “My IQ is 133-135, my wife 130, but my two daughters made 145 and 148” – Perhaps you have a very smart mailman.

  276. AP says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The Chaldeans (Arab Christians from Iraq) claim they are descended form the Babylonians, while the Muslims (over 90% of Iraq’s population) are descended from the savages who came up from Arabia.

  277. Despite being anti-black for the sake of civilizations I do recognize the differences between black ethnic groups among which Igbos are among the best. Somalis are fairly competent by black standards too. What Igbos should focus on is establishing a prosperous Igboland that Machiavellians like me will actually respect, such as an Igboland that can produce nukes.

  278. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    ” plenty of […] people simply “staring into space” when not busy” – You can see it in every pub and dive bar. In any Greek or Spanish cafe. In any church Catholic or Protestant during a sermon.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  279. @Franklin Ryckaert

    If that is so, it raises the question why do Iraqis behave like Arabs. When they shoot, the smallest object they don’t miss is the sky, when they need to hit a smaller target, they do it as shaheeds with their own body, etc. Is that the result of Arabization, Islamization, or just plain degeneration? Just curious.

    • Troll: L.K
  280. @utu

    A lot of countries (about 200, including many of Russia’s close neighbors) would be proud to get to the 12th place. Would consider it a huge achievement.

    • Replies: @utu
  281. @obwandiyag

    @obwandiya
    Given your inability to understand the basic tenants of this article or it’s correlation to probable salary, I would have to think you are logging in from South Sudan. That alone gives creedence to this great author’s research and statistics.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  282. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    This contemporary obsession with IQ is a curious one, especially given that the people responsible for the postwar unraveling of traditional society have mainly been high-IQ whites. Which is not meant as a criticism of highly refined intellect and capacity for innovation as such. However, society fails to understand that none of those things—high standard of living, individualism, technological innovation—can be accepted for “free”. To put it another way, each advantage and innovation are borne out of an impulse to improve the lot of a people, but also carries with it attendant implications and consequences unforeseen even by creators or their communities. In essence, such things become Faustian pacts which we cannot reverse.

    So “whites” can “celebrate” their collective high IQ, but they cannot escape the reality that the disintegration and perversion of the world they had known is being effected by their elite kinfolk.

    Well, we NE Asians will continue to do the great work of white people to the point that we will even do things most white people won’t do because of egalitarianism etc. We will do research on racial differences. We will do research on editing human genes. For the sake of humanity these all need to be done.

  283. @utu

    At least the Chinese I knew seemed to be more complete, more harmonious. Are Chinese more spiritual? They are more humble and willing to accept some intractable mysteries and even engage in some magical thinking (superstitions) which stem from some old traditions which among Westerners they were ridiculed long time ago.

    Do you actually consider magical thinking something wonderful? This is evidence that NE Asia needs a lot more philosophy from the West and India.

    Basically one drawback of China being a surprisingly secular civilization is that other than in Buddhist and Taoist temples not a lot of philosophy was done in China at all since Qin Dynasty. Philosophy is not something societies like too much unless it is done by clergy. China having little religious power could hardly get philosophy done.

    • Replies: @utu
  284. Okechukwu says:
    @Anonymous

    By contrast, Africans never domesticated any animals.

    Which animals were Africans supposed to domesticate, genius? Zebra? Hippo? Elephant? Cape Buffalo? Rhino? Of course, Africans had cattle and horses where the environment and the absence of endemic diseases permitted.

    The problem in these discussions is that many people like you who comment are dumber than dirt. In trying to denigrate the intelligence of Africans you are demonstrating a severe lack of same.

  285. @Talha

    TALHA

    The only Arabs in Iraq or Iran are in the Southern swamps and probably migrated from Oman. I’ve been to Musandam and the straits of Hormuz are a narrow channel.

    Persian empire colonized the Middle East and ruins of Iranian forts are fairly ubiquitous in Yemen, Oman and East Saudi. I’ve seen them.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Talha
  286. @Thomm

    @Thomm
    you still trolling this blog with your insane assertion that white nationalists are equivalent to niggers and white trash? Your Trump derangement sydrome is out of control dude. Try some Xanax to keep that TDS in check so you sound more like a Keyan like your boy Barry Soetoro and less like a low IQ south Sudanese.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  287. @Edward

    Also the ancient Dravidian civilization in the Indus River valley, contemporaneous with Sumer and Egypt, had works of architecture and a written language that is yet to be deciphered. The South Indian Brahmins, if not indoeuropran as you claim,were perhaps the remnants of that civilizations elite.

    • Replies: @Edward
  288. @Okechukwu

    Well you should tell me about watermelons. They were native to Northeast Africa, that is, the Horn of Africa. Why didn’t blacks domesticate them? Ancient Egyptians did despite the fact that they were NOT native to the region.

    Why do non-blacks often manage to make some use of and domesticate plants native to black areas? Watermelons are just one example. So are coffee and tamarind. Arabs made use of coffee. Indians made use of tamarind.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  289. @jeff stryker

    Ruins of Iranian (Persian, to be exact) fortresses are even in Georgia.

  290. Thomm says:
    @ThommisaLibtard

    you still trolling this blog with your insane assertion that white nationalists are equivalent to niggers and white trash?

    Well, your actions and demonstrably low IQ prove this daily.

    But even worse, you are gay.

    It is estimated that 40% of White Trashionalists are gay. This is because you openly say that you would rather have sex with a white man over a black woman, since no baby is better than a mulatto baby.

    Yes, you actually say that. Repeatedly.

    Your Trump derangement sydrome is out of control dude.

    er… I am the one who is pro Trump, you stupid 70-IQ faggot.

    I continue to be astounded at how stupid you WN wiggers are.

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  291. utu says:
    @EastKekistani

    This is evidence that NE Asia needs a lot more philosophy from […] India.

    India has nothing to offer.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  292. Talha says:
    @AP

    Not even close:
    “This study supports the notion that Arabs are divided into four groups. The first consisting of North Africans (Algerians, Tunisians, Moroccans, and Libyans), Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yemenis, with relatedness to Western Mediterraneans, including Iberians. The second includes Levantine Arabs (Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrians), Iraqi, and Egyptians, who appear to be related to the Eastern Mediterranean and Iranians, who in turn belonged to ‘Great Levant’ historically described.
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192269

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192269.g006&size=large

    Peace.

    • Replies: @homahr
  293. @Jose Alan Guerrero Zuñiga

    Being adjacent to the U. S. has often been Mexico’s blessing and cross to carry. With respect to projecting soft power, sharing a border with the busybodies up north proves to be an advantage.

    But Mexico projecting diplomatic and military power? Not when the country is as riddled with corruption from top to bottom as it currently stands. Brazil also suffers from the same problems, though by dint of its sheer size and vast natural resources manages to be the regional diplomatic leader and will remain so for some time to come. Chile an economic leader thanks to two centuries of a mostly competent bureaucracy, ingrained respect for authority, and generally careful stewardship of the ship of the republic on the part of its politicians as well as people. (The revanchism of former Allende-ist politicians and their open-bonders policies are looking to bring about a crisis in the near future, unfortunately.)

    Argentina had a shot at being a global great power. At one point it was the fifth richest country in the world. However, a century of internecine squabbling and fiscal mismanagement brought those dreams crashing down with a thud. Their history is a cautionary tale for any country.

  294. @Thomm

    Why shall the definition of gayness include “would rather have sex with white men rather than black women” for men? That’s simply good old trolling.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Thomm
  295. utu says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You are thinking like a sovok. Typical Soviet megalomania. Proud that you have the largest land mass while your soldiers are using foot wraps like in the time sof the Peter the Great instead of socks.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jan/16/russian-soldiers-replacing-foot-wraps-socks
    Why Russian soldiers are finally replacing foot wraps with socks

    Anyway, what counts is GDP per capita. Russia’s GDP per capita is 62nd in the world. Most of your neighbors have it higher with few exception like Kazachstan and few other Absurdistans.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Oryol
  296. Talha says:
    @jeff stryker

    I’ve read that the Marsh Arabs are probably the closest genetic relatives of the ancient Sumerians.

    Sorry, too lazy to find a reference right now, but Omani origins seems to be far-fetched.

    And yes, the Persians were all the way down in Yemen. That was actually one of the first points of conflict between the Sassanids and early Muslims. The local governor of Yemen converted and threw in his lot with the Hijaz (I believe he sent them hundreds of well-made swords as a gift). Persia lost her choke point on the Red Sea. War was inevitable, it was only a question of when and on whose terms.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  297. @Timothy Madden

    There may be some misunderstanding of terms here… ? The Judge is correct when he says that, assuming no month by month reinvestment, then an investor has the same return regardless of whether the interest is paid monthly or at the end of the year. Thus, to make the example easy, assume a bond with a 12% coupon, payable at the end of the year. The investor puts up 1000 and gets 120 on December 31; imagine the same bond with the same interest rate, but payable monthly, at the rate of 1 percent per month, or $10 per month. At the end of the year, the investor has the same exact $120, the same return of 12% on the money.
    There would be a difference in the time value of the money if the investor could reinvest the $100 per month at a reinvestment rate of, say, 10 percent, I am typing in bed and cannot be bothered to do the calculations, but the annualized rate of return jumps from 12 to about 13.3 %.
    So, the judge was right, as he excluded coupon reinvestment in his analysis.
    I don’t have any clue or estimate what his IQ might have been…. wasn’t IQ invented to sort out lowest percentile minds for medical purposes? Does it really have that much application for normally functioning adults? I read that Feynman missed the 125 IQ cutoff for some IQ study, yet he went on to win a Nobel prize in Physics… the point being, that over a certain level, it does not have accurately predictive effects.

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  298. @Okechukwu

    Which animals were Africans supposed to domesticate, genius? Zebra?

    Riding Newman the Zebra
    Charlie the Zebra, Episode 3-Second drive

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  299. @anonymous

    It appears in Ed Dutton’s recent book, “The Silent Rape of Finland.”

  300. @Edward

    Huh? Riemann, Godel, Wiles (I don’t think that he won a Fields, but in 200 + years nobody else solved Ferman’s Last Theorem) And Ashkenazis are 50% European… what does it matter what race a mathematician is.. what matters is how good they are

  301. @utu

    I don’t know. It seems that there was indeed some interesting philosophical thought in India such as early atheism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism

    Not at Western level but it is surprising that this actually exists.

  302. @Talha

    TALHA

    I lived in Oman and spent time on the Straits of Hormuz and that is not quite true. The channel is so narrow that there has been cultural and genetic fusion since antiquity. Iranian is even spoken in Musandam.

    In Bahrain, tensions exist between the Iranian indigenous and Arab rulers.

  303. L.K says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    You say that you have a problem with Iraq having a 9 point IQ superiority over Iran, but you are OK with Iraq having a 5 point advantage.

    I don’t understand. Iran can build its own weapons systems, nuclear and space programs. Iraq could never do any of that. It seems totally implausible that Iraq has a higher average IQ than Iran at all.

    And why is Iraq’s IQ so much higher than Syria’s?

    Also, out of interest, why is Nepal’s IQ so much lower than those countries around it? If Tibet’s IQ were measured separate from China’s, would it be extremely low like Nepal’s? I understand that you yourself are questioning the level of Nepal’s IQ as measured in this study, but why would Nepal’s be less accurate than Bhutan’s or India’s? Do Nepalis really have a lower IQ than the countries around them?

    Indeed, and you have mentioned just a few of the numerous absurdities listed in that ridiculous ‘IQ’ table.

    This article is complete GARBAGE & the alleged national IQ figures absolutely laughable.

    I wonder, does anybody take such crap seriously?

  304. Truth says:
    @EastKekistani

    Lol, no i would considéré that gay, and have ready it here once or twice.

  305. TKK says:
    @Chewie111

    Wrong!

    I lived there. You are making the classic Western assumption of infantizing a population because you don’t speak their language. Highly doubt you are fluent in Khmer.

    We think because we are communicating to them in a dumbed down fashion that *they* are simple minded. A fallacy.

    They are not simple minded rubes. They are cunning capitalists who are also creative and have a great aesthetic talent!
    Just a simple meal is usually presented as well as a chi chi restaurant in the West.

    What they fight is rampant cronyism and corruption. We cannot understand their culture – especially in context of Pol Pot and the treachery of mandatory spying on each other or be hacked to death.

    From the ashes of trash and salary of $25 a month US- they find ways to make money off tourists at Angor Wat hand over fist. If they could break free of the strangle hold of corrupt police and politicians- they could be another Taiwan- sans China’s ham fist.

    Negotiate with a Cambodian landlord and see how simple minded they are. Its an act- part of the smiling and saving face culture. Thai people are just rude from the jump- they don’t hide their avarice.

  306. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I have a hard time believing that Iceland has an average IQ of 98, or Ireland at 95, or Greece at 91. If you have read Michael Lewis’ Boomerang: Travels in the New Third World about how these countries got themselves into the financial mess in 2008, you would have a hard time believing these numbers too.

    Seems they should be somewhere around the mid 80’s.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  307. Talha says:
    @jeff stryker

    I don’t doubt there has been some cultural and genetic fusion, but the genetic study I cited simply doesn’t make that connection. I’m open to the idea that the Marsh Arabs in Iraq are descendants of settlers from Oman, but I’d like to see a little evidence first.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  308. Pericles says:
    @akka

    One might ask, ‘What is president Trump’s IQ?’

    Higher or lower than Obama’s? Higher or lower than Hillary’s?

    But a more relevant question would be what is the average IQ of the people who elected him?

    Or the average IQ of the ‘popular vote’? Higher or lower?

  309. Pericles says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    Iam a Dane/Swede

    Outbreeding depression?

  310. @El Dato

    Yetis showed up for the test.

    Either that – or the Yetis prefer Cambridge over the hassle with test taking to the more stationary Nepalis.

  311. @anon

    If you have read Michael Lewis’ Boomerang: Travels in the New Third World about how these countries got themselves into the financial mess in 2008

    You make me muse about the financial meltdown at Wall Street 2008 and the average IQ there. Had the Lehmann Brothers bankers lower IQs than – those over at Goldman Sachs, say?

    cf. Molière – The Impostures of Scapin

    • LOL: atlantis_dweller
  312. Pericles says:
    @Sparkon

    There was Manute Bol, a 7’7″ Dinka who migrated to the US when there was a civil war in Sudan, who was “considered among the best shot-blockers in the history of the sport, although other aspects of his game were considered below average.”

    Lynam noted that, “One of the things everyone was looking at was his passport. His passport said he was 19 years old. His passport also said he was five feet two.”

    When Lynam asked Bol about the discrepancy with his real height and his passport height, he said that Bol explained that he had been sitting down when measured by Sudan officials.[16]

  313. Okechukwu says:
    @Edward

    This is clearly what Anatoly Karlin warned us about: you appear to think PPP is a fraud, even though it’s superior to nominal GDP per capita when it comes to comparing living standards between countries. PPP-wise, India is wealthier than Nigeria, Ghana and sub-Saharan Africa as a whole.

    Once again, PPP is just a theory (one with a lot of holes). Conversely, GDP is the real thing. I can find dozens of articles that describe PPP as a theory. Can you produce just one article that describes GDP as a theory?

    PPP measures how inadequately people are able to subsist. If Indians go out and shit anywhere and everywhere, then they certainly are saving a great deal of money on bathroom fixtures and sewage systems. But it’s nothing to be proud of. So while GDP measures the value of bathroom fixtures and sewage systems, PPP measures the average Indian’s monetary savings resulting from open defecation. In light of that, which metric more accurately captures productivity and prosperity?

    Do these really compare to the medical, surgical, mathematical, scientific, literary and indeed architectural achievements of non-African countries, including India?

    Yes, they do. Cultural achievements are subjective. Secondarily, you seem to be ignorant of African achievements.

    Given that India has become the premier destination for launching satellites at a low-cost, it’s actually economically rational: it’s creating thousands of well-paid jobs and attracting inward investment from other countries.

    ISRO does a good job of launching satellites. I doubt it’s actually making a profit given the multiple layers of corruption and graft in every Indian agency. Space X, however, is making a profit. Furthermore, it has heavy lift reusable rockets which ISRO lacks. In other words, Musk has leapfrogged 1.4 billion Indians in just a few years.

    Anybody can leverage 70 year old tech to launch satellites into low-earth orbit. In the future, nimble private companies like Space X will make national space agencies obsolete.

    The Indians defeated the British – or held them to a draw – on a number of occasions.

    What occasions would those be? There were some minor insurgencies which the British put down with the help of Indian anglophiles and self-hating, obsequious Uncle Toms like the poster Malla. Initially, the British conquest of India was accomplished with not a great many troops or functionaries.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has almost the same population as India. I’m very skeptical that we’ll see a black Nobel or Fields winner any time soon.

    You do understand that just a handful of black people in America have invented, innovated and created more modern technology than all of India combined, right? Well, Africans are the same people. So, yeah, you’re going to see African Nobel and Fields winners.

    Ancient Nubia achieved virtually nothing in the domain of mathematics. Ancient Egypt achieved some things, but modern mathematics owes itself to the Greeks, the Indians, the Arabs, the Persians and the Northwestern Europeans, chiefly.

    Mathematics is the language of the natural world throughout the universe. The Nubians and Egyptians were doing things in terms of engineering (which required high-level mathematics) when the Greeks, Indians, Arabs, Persians and, most especially, Northwestern Europeans were still cavemen.

    Crucially, however, ancient Egypt was not a sub-Saharan African civilization.

    Did I say it was? There are/were black people and black civilizations north of the Sahara desert.

    Contrary to your claim made in a separate response, most scholars do not consider ancient Egypt to have been a black African civilization

    But, on the other hand, most scholars do not consider Ancient Egypt to be a non-black African civilization. Some scholars are reticent on the subject, deeming it unimportant. Other scholars do put Ancient Egypt within the black African matrix. However, no scholar of any credibility describes the Ancient Egyptians as European or Arab or Asiatic or anything of the sort.

    and genetic evidence confirms this, as I demonstrated above. The ancient Egyptians had virtually no sub-Saharan African DNA:

    You are talking about DNA from one location that was known to have been conquered by non-Egyptians. You are jumping wildly to conclusions based on flimsy data. Even the researchers that conducted the study you are referencing are careful to parse their words carefully, offering the caveat that further investigations in other parts of Egypt or other timeframes are likely to yield different results.

  314. Pericles says:
    @JosephB

    It seems a bit odd. On the other hand, perhaps the Nepalese have outperforming subpopulations/castes like India? I don’t know.

    Nepal also looks more civilized than many African countries that were ranked higher. Did they or some other people build their multistory temples, for example?

    Did Nepal recover more quickly from their earthquake disaster than Haiti?

  315. Edward says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    Perhaps. The Indians toward the top of the caste distribution are the product of what is essentially a millennia-old eugenics program. It is quite fascinating, as you say.

    Interestingly, the majority of Indian ancestry, again according to the latest paper, is from the pre-Aryan Indus Valley Civilization you speak of: around 50-60% of Indian ancestry is from the IVC; 5-25% is from the Aryans; and around 5-20% is from ancient South Asian hunter-gatherers.

    As David Reich writes in his book, Who We Are and How We Got Here, this mirrors Europeans, whose ancestry comes from three sources: ancient European hunter-gatherers, the Aryans who came in from the Eurasian steppes in the East, and Anatolian farmers who came in from Turkey.

  316. Pericles says:
    @astrolabe

    If an IQ of 120 is required for a Cambridge science PhD

    That seems at least 10-20 points too low though.

    the distribution couldn’t be close to normal with mean 15 because you’d get a substantial proportion of negative IQs.

    Negative IQ sounds funny, but is it impossible? IQ is just a measure, like temperature.

    I agree that this merits a further look though. Does a standard IQ test accurately measure a population at 4SD below 100 for example? (Perhaps this is discussed in the references.)

  317. Okechukwu says:
    @EastKekistani

    You’re on the Internet. Use it. Look up pre-colonial African agriculture. Africans did settle and farm in those few areas where the soil and conditions were salubrious.

    Most of Africa is harsh, unlike the temperate environment of Eurasia. You’re not going to be able to farm where there are alternating droughts and floods, where the soil is thin or of poor quality and where the tsetse fly makes livestock and beasts of burden untenable. Notice that whites were only able to settle in large numbers in Southern Africa, which has a temperate environment like Europe with four seasons and lacks tropical diseases. Whites tried to go further north but failed miserably. The soil was useless and they and their animals were killed off by diseases. Read Guns, Germs and Steel.

    By the way, people adjust to their environment. If wild watermelon is abundant and tastes great only a moron would try to domesticate it. There are berries that Americans enjoy eating but you have to go out to the wild to pick them because no one has domesticated them for one reason or other. If those same berries are being farmed and sold at stores in other countries does that mean that Americans are stupid?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  318. Okechukwu says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Riding Newman the Zebra
    Charlie the Zebra, Episode 3-Second drive

    People also ride alligators. I’m talking about a real mode of transportation and not some gimmick. The zebra is too ornery, too skittish and too unpredictable to domesticate. Just being around a zebra is literally courting death, nevermind trying to ride it. Zebras can kill a 500 pound muscle-bound lion with one kick.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  319. @Talha

    TALHA

    Well that and Portuguese, Zanzibari, Baluchi, Sindhi…Oman was a crossroads. Yemen, less so.

  320. @Semperluctor

    Thanks for your calculations. I also, reading the judge’s comments, thought they were reasonable, given the assumptions he made.
    Now as to your comment :

    I read that Feynman missed the 125 IQ cutoff for some IQ study, yet he went on to win a Nobel prize in Physics… the point being, that over a certain level, it does not have accurately predictive effects.

    First, even if IQ is strongly correlated with success in science, that correlations is not unity, because other factors apply. It is unlikely that the Nobel Prize winner will be the highest IQ scorers. Steve Hsu has explained this, and it applies to all correlations which are less than unity.

    Second, the claim about “above a certain level” generally given as IQ120 is wrong. Have a look at the work of Lubinski and Benbow. Here is a starting point, but you can search in the search bar for the many mentions I have made of their work .
    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/genius-twinkling-in-dark/

    • Replies: @Semperluctor
  321. @Anatoly Karlin

    That does seem very high for Ireland.

  322. @Okechukwu

    I’m not interested in whether Africa as a continent had agriculture before colonization. Of course it did. The actual question that is HBD-relevant is the level of native black agriculture. This excludes not only whites in Southern Africa but also Arabs and Berbers in North Africa and coastal East Africa.

    I’m not convinced that Sub-Saharan Africa is an unusally harsh place. From a geographical point of view most of Sub-Saharan Africa to the south of Sahel is good if we exclude awful places such as Namib desert and Kalahari desert. Yes there are a lot of diseases there. However Eurasia was anything but disease-free. From mutational loads it is easy to observe that life for SSA blacks was much better compared to that of Caucasoids, let alone NE Asians. We know what Hobbesian struggle for continued existence means. You guys do not.

    Watermelons are probably a domestic version of the Egusi melon which I assume that you are familiar with. Yes, it is bitter as hell. However it can be easily stored. Ancient Egyptians ate it probably as food for the poor and famine food anyway. Eventually they domesticated it into a new and sweet species. In SSA wild melons close to watermelons still exist. They are still bitter.

    Don’t try to pass off Arab, Persian or Berber achievements as your own simply because they lived and live in Africa. After all the word “Africa” (or “Ifriqiya”) originally mostly referred to Tunisia lol.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  323. Oops. “Africa” mostly referred to ancient Libya. Well it clearly had nothing to do with blacks.

  324. Edward says:
    @Okechukwu

    Sigh. Do you want a simple explanation of why PPP GDP per capita is superior? Here you go:

    Nominal GDP per capita does not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries. Fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country’s currency may change a country’s ranking from one year to the next, even though they often make little or no difference to the standard of living of its population.

    ISRO does a good job of launching satellites.

    And sending spacecraft to the Moon, helping to confirm the presence of water. And to Mars.

    You do understand that just a handful of black people in America have invented, innovated and created more modern technology than all of India combined, right? Well, Africans are the same people. So, yeah, you’re going to see African Nobel and Fields winners.

    You’re laughable. There have been a few successful African-American inventors. But Indians – both in the West and in India – have done much more. I’ll give you just a few examples:

    Anil K. Jain – the father of biometrics and computer vision – is the most cited person in the field of computer science and electronics.

    Ajay Bhatt is the inventor of Universal Serial Bus (USB) technology.

    Vinod Dham was the founder of the famous Intel Pentium processor and co-invented Intel’s first flash memory technology.

    Arogyaswami J. Paulraj is the inventor of multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO), an essential element of wireless communication systems including 3G and 4G.

    Narinder Singh Kapany is the father of fibre optic technology.

    Ramanathan Guha invented the Rich Site Summary feed – also known as the RSS Feed. He also invented the Meta Content Framework (MCF) and the Resource Description Framework (RDF).

    Krishna Palem is the inventor of the probabilistic complementary metal-oxide semiconductor (PCMOS), which the MIT Technology Review highlighted as one of the 10 technologies that are “most likely to change the way we live”, in 2008.

    Rakesh Agarwal – who holds fifty-five patents – is the most cited author in the field of database systems.

    Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose was one of the fathers of radio science.

    Moving away from computing and communication:

    Sumita Mitra invented the first dental filling material to contain nanoparticles. Dame Pratiba Gai, a renowned academic in Britain, invented the atomic-resolution environmental transmission electron microscope (ETEM).

    Shankar Balasubramanian, a renowned Cambridge academic, was the principal inventor of the leading next generation sequencing methodology, Solexa sequencing, that has made routine, accurate, low-cost sequencing of human genomes a reality and has revolutionised biology. Solexa, as many people with an interest in genetics and HBD will know, was acquired by Illumina.

    Bobby Kasthuri, who recently appeared on Steve Hsu’s podcast, is pioneering new techniques for large volume reconstructions of the fine structure of the nervous system.

    Professor Sir Tejinder Singh Virdee is best known for originating the concept and
    overseeing the construction of the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider. This, of course, led to the discovery of the Higgs Boson. (The term boson, incidentally, was named not after Jagadish Chandra Bose, but another Bose: the Indian physicist and polymath Satyendra Nath Bose, who came up with Bose-Einstein condensates and Bose-Einstein statistics).

    GN Ramachandran and Gopinath Kartha were the first to propose that collagen has a triple-helical structure, a finding which has had many practical applications.

    Har Gobind Khorana, after winning his Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine for his work on nucleotide structure, then became the first to chemically synthesize oligonucleotides and assembled the first synthetic gene.

    What occasions would those be?

    The Battle of Pollilur: waged between two forces commanded by Tipu Sultan of the Kingdom of Mysore, and Lt. Colonel William Baillie of the British East India Company. The army of the East India Company surrendered and suffered a high number of casualties. The Siege of Bharatpur: the victory by Bharatpur backed by the Maratha Empire was an embarrassing defeat for the British.

    The Battle of Ramnagar, in which the Sikhs repelled the British. The Battle of Chillianwala, in which the Sikhs held the British to a draw.

    The Nubians and Egyptians were doing things in terms of engineering (which required high-level mathematics)

    No they weren’t, especially not the Nubians. Name some of these “things”, and list the pieces of “high-level mathematics” that they used.

    But, on the other hand, most scholars do not consider Ancient Egypt to be a non-black African civilization.

    It wasn’t black or white. It was brown.

  325. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    All those locations have their own stimuli and that’s why they were chosen. Getting lost in thought, watching the crowds or listening to music is not the same as truly vacantly staring at a wall. It’s very different and very noticeable.

  326. @Timothy Madden

    Hi: thank you for your comment, but the answer is deterministic, in the same way that 2 + 2 = 4 is deterministic. Also, 1% per month is equal to 12.68% per annum based on the average month of 30.4 days. Strictly speaking, “1% per month” is not a rate of interest – it is a range of rates depending on whether there are 28, 29, 30, or 31 days in the “month”.

    It is clear from your comment, however, that you are acting in good faith, and so the best that I can do is to attempt to persuade you, also in good faith, to change your mind.

    The following is a brief excerpt and introduction to the nominal method. The first anomaly to appreciate is that the “nominal method” has been prohibited in the U.K. since 1974 as criminal fraud on the grounds that it is “false and seriously misleading”, while the same egregiously fraudulent methodology has been required by federal law throughout the U.S. since 1968 and labelled “Truth-in-Lending” legislation. Seriously, you can’t make this stuff up.

    _____

    Ever continuing / compounding nominal-rate-fraud

    [MORE]

    Concurrently, by total amount, all debt outstanding in Canada today is independently a function of the continued and ever-continuing use of the egregiously and insidiously fraudulent nominal method of interest calculation and declaration / disclosure that has been illegal in Canada since 1880 on mortgage-secured debt (under the same law (s. 6) as the No penalties provision) and since 1897 on virtually all other debt (under s. 4), and, again, notwithstanding that it has also been recognised and banned as criminal fraud throughout the U.K. since 1974 on the grounds that it is “false and seriously misleading” (and which is itself the understatement of the century).

    The bare premise of the nominal method is that money has no-incremental-time-value for any period less than a year. That as long as the total amount of interest paid is 24%, for example, then it does not matter whether it is deducted in advance, paid as 24% once at the end of the year, versus 2% per month beginning one month after the loan. It is just plain stupid. An equal amount paid sooner is a higher rate by definition. 2% per month is the same rate as 26.82% per annum, and not 24%.

    More toward the near inconceivably fraudulent higher-end, an average or typical payday loan in Canada (and the U.S., and most everywhere else) defines a real interest rate of about 30,000% per annum, but which is passed off, using the nominal method, to the nominal borrowers and to the public generally, as about 300%.

    Its broader purpose and policy is to help ensure that the working-poor and the rank-and-file military remain in a state of perpetual poverty and political powerlessness by targeting their de facto working-capital.

    If the borrower receives for example, $335 today, in exchange for an obligation to pay $400 in ten days’ time, then the principal amount is $335, the interest charge is $65, and the interest rate is 64,622% per annum. Here is the spreadsheet formula (for ms excel and apple numbers):

    =(((1+(65/335))^(365/10))-1)

    = 646.22 or 64,622% per annum.

    The payday-lender makes a gross rate of return of 64,622% per annum on their $335 principal investment over and for that ten-day period. If you had an effective / real-interest-rate daily accrual savings account, then it would have to pay interest at an annual rate of 64,000% for $65 to accrue on a deposit of $335 over ten days.

    If the borrower instead receives $350, then the interest charge also declines to only $50, and the rate of interest is:

    =(((1+(50/350))^(365/10))-1)

    = 129.82 or 12,982% per annum.

    If instead we go the same $15 the other way, then the borrower will receive only $320, and the interest charge also increases to $80, and the rate of interest is:

    =(((1+(80/320))^(365/10))-1)

    = 3444.20 or 344,420% per annum.

    Note especially the exponential sensitivity. Our base case is $65 and 64,000%. Based on the same $400 paycheque and due in the same ten days, if you give the borrower an extra $15, then the rate of interest declines to just under 13,000% per annum. But if instead you take away another $15, then the rate of interest balloons to 344,000%.

    Every competent engineer, math teacher, insurance professional, and banker on the planet knows how to do the calculation. But former bank lawyers and bank solicitors after they have been appointed judges – not so much.

    That’s policy.

    And even ignoring the near inconceivable amount of money involved, it is an incredibly dangerous policy. Imagine the extinction of humanity beginning with the following (as yet) hypothetical news story out of equatorial Africa:

    Thus far 100 million people lay dead from the worst infectious disease outbreak in human history. An international panel of experts has identified the primary cause of the crisis getting out of control as being that the original samples of the incredibly lethal virus, with an observed actual growth rate of 5% per 24-hours, were mislabelled by the technician responsible, as having an AGM or Annual Growth Rate of 1,825% instead of the real and actual 5.4 billion per cent (5,400,000,000%). The technician, a recent graduate of Bankers’ Math University, responded when asked for comment: “I’m really sorry. I honestly didn’t know.”

    A species that celebrates and rewards professional incompetence, and especially in pursuit of unearned financial gain, is a species living on borrowed time.

    As humans obtain more and more technology, we are ever-increasingly exposed to lethal danger that grows exponentially. The existential problem with lethal danger that grows exponentially, is that if you wait until you actually see it coming, then you’re already dead.

    If a virus grows at the rate of 5% per day or every 24 hours, then it grows at an annual rate of 5.4 billion per cent. Even if only for a single day.

    If price-inflation runs at a daily rate of 5%, then it runs at an annual rate of 5.4 billion per cent. Even if only for a single day.

    It is only interest-bearing-debt, where if it grows at 5% per day, then that is deemed or pretended to grow at an annual rate of only 1,825% (for public consumption purposes), and not 5.4 billion per cent, as the correct and accurate latter figure might have the tendency to reduce public confidence in government and most everything else.

    _______

    My essential point is that the late judge was a white male with a likely exceptionally high official IQ, but who could not pass a junior-high-school logical-reasoning test. Why? Because money makes people stupid. It is why the more objectively irrational and transparently fraudulent a decision from a multi-judge court of appeal – the more likely it is to be unanimous.

    Hope it helps. Tim.

    • Replies: @MAOWASAYALI
  327. @Edward

    Dear Edward,
    Thank you for this marvelous list of Indian achievements. Is there any way of tracing the surnames back to Indian provinces or Jaati?

    • Replies: @Edward
  328. @utu

    As to per capita GDP (by PPP), according to recent (2018) data here (http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-gdp-capita-ppp.php) Russia is #56 (29,032)

    Among former Soviet republics, ahead of it are (the first number is rank) only the three Baltic statelets (where EU subsidies are counted as GDP)
    43. Lithuania – 34,829
    45 Estonia – 33,553
    53 Latvia – 29,488
    Even with this trick they are less than 20% ahead.

    The others are
    59 Kazakhstan – 27,495
    70 Belarus – 20,176
    73 Turkmenistan – 19,526
    80 Azerbaijan – 17,955
    106 Georgia – 11,601
    112 Armenia – 10,275
    118 Banderistan – 9,183
    130 Uzbekistan – 7,338
    131 Moldova – 7,104
    151 Kyrgyzstan – 3,812
    161 Tajikistan – 3,354

    So, not only Absudistans are behind, although they tend to do worse than others (four out of bottom five are Absurdistans). Besides, many are far behind.

    Not to mention that in many countries a large proportion of GDP is a bubble (polite term is “accounting gimmick”). E.g., in the US the rent I would have paid if I were crazy enough to rent my house from myself is counted towards GDP. I am not even mentioning “financial services”, which always are smoke-and-mirrors fraud.

    As to the army, I don’t know, never served in any. All I know is that “military intelligence” is a contradiction in terms. In all countries.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  329. Juchen says:
    @Edward

    It seems you misunderstood what I mean, I did not mean to say that Nigeria is somehow superior to India, I don’t believe that. My point was to bring skepticism to the claims of this test, that places India’s IQ at 76(close to mental retardation), and the other IQs, even lower, with Nigeria being 68(below mental retardatino). My point is, if we were to use the hereditarian hypothesis that GDP correlates with IQ,these results don’t mesh up, as some have already commented before, Nigeria has exact GDP per capita as India, as for PPP per capita, Nigeria had a higher PPP per capita until 2015,w hen they hit their recession after an economic slowdown.
    And this site: https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html does place it that way.
    Nigeria’s IQ is measured at ’84’, and India’s IQ at ’82’, virtually the same. And this not to say I agree with those numbers either, but to say that fact they are nearly the same(a 2pt difference isn’t that much) lands it more credibility. The Ghana part was just to supplement overall argument. While Ghana is a smaller country, with a smaller economy, they beat Nigeria in terms of the highest educational achievemnt in standardized tests(thus it makes even less sense to me how they will be scoring so much lower on IQ tests, which are just standardize tests 2.0, than Nigerians), their country also has less poverty rates, less government corruption, which if you were to subscribe to the Hereditarian hypothesis should translate to them having a higher average IQ, but this test doesn’t bare out that way, thus to me, should be taken a grain of salt. That was just my point, I’m not into the supremacists arguments, I believe Indians and Africans are brothers, have undergone similar struggles, and are equal in many ways, as seenby the high number of indian and nigerian doctors in the U.S.

    As for some of your other questions:

    “What are the present achievements of Nigeria? Does it, like India, have a successful space program that has broken records and aided in discovering water on Mars?”
    Nigeria hasn’t done much with its space station, aside from Launch satellites, but it does have a successful space station, along with South Africa.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/10/africa/africa-space-race/index.html

    In terms of present day Achievements. The highest paid robotics engineer is Nigerian, Silas Adekunle, if you’ve seen Concussion, it was a Nigerian who discovered the brain trauma disease affecting NFL players, there are many others, but I can’t remember off the top of my head. As for Ghanaians, we have people like Thomas Mensah who was one of the inventors of fiber optics, then we have other people like Ashitey Treybi-Ollenu, who worked on the Mars rover, and is working to help develop the robotic arm for Nasa’s insight mission. There are many more others, but I can’t remember them off the top of my head. In terms of National Achievements, we have the most players within the top 100 in English Scrabble, beating the U.S. in 2016, Curr U.S. tops scrabble players: 22, Current Nigerian: About 31, and this is despite our lower population (and by ‘our’, i mean Nigerians, as I am not Nigerian)

    What historical achievements does Nigeria have?

    Someone already mentioned some of these, But I’ll remention them and add some more and abit of context.
    Great Walls of Benin and Fractal City Architecture, Portugese explorers describe Benin as the most beautiful well-organized city they had ever seen.
    “The walls were built of a ditch and dike structure; the ditch dug to form an inner moat with the excavated earth used to form the exterior rampart.

    The Benin Walls were ravaged by the British in 1897 during what has come to be called the Punitive expedition. Scattered pieces of the structure remain in Edo, with the vast majority of them being used by the locals for building purposes. What remains of the wall itself continues to be torn down for real estate developments.[2] Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

    They extend for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 2,510 sq. miles (6,500 square kilometres) and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet.[3]

    Ethnomathematician Ron Eglash has discussed the planned layout of the city using fractals as the basis, not only in the city itself and the villages but even in the rooms of houses. He commented that “When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet.”[4]”
    In addition, the city had its own streetlight system.
    Own Native writing Script: Nsibidi
    Indigineous Iron Smelting
    Advanced Metalworks: As seen with our(Nigeria’s) manufacturing of Guns, and Benin Bronze . Africa has the largest variety and metallurgical works, Statues: https://www.google.com/search?q=benin+statue+returned&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS822US822&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii2ceJ2crhAhXErFkKHU26DPQQ_AUIDigB&biw=1170&bih=545#imgrc=aMnMRp4gvYKGLM:
    Yorubas created their own numeration system based of base 20, and the secoond largest piece of Architectural construction in Africa, The Walls of Benin City are collectively the world’s largest man-made structure and were semi-destroyed by the British in 1897.[126] Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist: “Sungbo’s Eredo is the second largest pre-colonial monument in Africa, larger than the Great Pyramids or Great Zimbabwe. Built by the Yoruba people in honour of one of their titled personages, an aristocratic widow known as the Oloye Bilikisu Sungbo, it is made up of sprawling mud walls and the valleys that surrounded the town of Ijebu-Ode in Ogun state, Nigeria.”
    I could go on if you want.

  330. @Edward

    You forgot C.V. Raman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._V._Raman. He actually got a Nobel Prize in 1930 even when India was under British Raj.

    You also forgot Annexation of Goa in 1961. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

    Yes, you guys are awesome. Historically the West, the Middle East and India all tended to do better than us because NE Asia was just slightly less isolated than Americas and was certainly even more isolated than some parts of black Africa such as Somalia, Mali and Zanzibar. We began to do better and better when the fucking isolation was finally removed.

    Yes, blacks have no excuses lol. At least several large subgroups should have done a lot better than us if they were equal to us.

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  331. Oryol says:
    @utu

    Foot wraps are superior to socks in many ways. They provide better circulation and prevent cramping and gangrene and trench foot, which is very important in the army. They also provide better arch support and are easier to maintain and sanitize. Many soldiers and civilians also find them to be more comfortable than socks.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  332. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yes, but the point is whether those Europeans and Japanese had higher IQs than the native Chinese or not. The rest is temporary “circumstances”.

    What you’re saying is if they Chinese are down it’s a temporary circumstance, if the Chinese are up it’s because they have higher IQ’s than others. Do I have that right? If so, your notion of “temporary” differs from mine, since the Chinese were down for hundreds of years.

  333. Here is the Church of Saint George, Lalibela. Unlike non-black churches thus church sucks. Contemporary European churches, Lebanese churches, Coptic churches… They are all beautiful. The black ones on the other hand..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Saint_George,_Lalibela

    Here is the Great Mosque of Djenne. Unlike non-black mosques in Arabia, Egypt, Albania, India, Iran and pretty much everywhere else this mosque sucks. Yes, even Malays are a lot better than blacks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mosque_of_Djenn%C3%A9

  334. Jiri says:

    Very interesting to see the countries with the lowest IQs.

    I wonder how the test was carried out and in what language. These countries have a multitude of languages within their respective countries and not all are written languages and would probably not have the words to express the concepts of the tests in the same way as intended by the test. If the official language was used I wonder how many of them would have had the requisite schooling to recognise the words and what they mean as these would likely be quite different from their everyday language.

    Were the tests given in these countries simply translations of the original tests? Or were they designed from scratch to suit the languages of the people tested.

    In the example given in the article, the correct answer can only be given by a person who is familiar with the decimal system and the “point” system of decimal placing- normally only provided by a formal schooling system in the third or fourth year. What if these people use an entirely different mathematical system from the decimal system for working out fractions and other stuff?

    I think IQ tests were developed by the military to rapidly select people for training at various levels and skills so that resources were not wasted training people for the wrong job. Apparently the success rates for selections are quite high, around 90%. For example, an officer needs to be intelligent, but up to a point, and needs to be intelligent in certain ways. An officer who is so intelligent that he is able/willing to question the whole idea of having a war, is not very useful. IQ and other tests would help in the selection

    Interesting article. Provides an insight into IQ tests.

  335. @AnonFromTN

    Well I won’t ever write off Ukraine as “Banderistan”. From an HBD point of view I believe that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus have great futures. So does North Korea if it reforms.

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  336. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampung_Laut_Mosque

    Even old Malay architecture was superior to the best architecture Mali Empire could ever offer. Malays suck. Blacks on the other hand……

    If the current advantage Nordics have over us is about a mile the difference between the worst non-blacks and blacks is more than 30 miles lol.

  337. @Juchen

    I believe Indians and Africans are brothers, have undergone similar struggles, and are equal in many ways, as seenby the high number of indian and nigerian doctors in the U.S.

    All non-blacks are a lot more similar to each other than to blacks genetically. Moreover with the sole exception of Papuans/Melanesians/Australoids we are all superior to blacks. Yes, we had, have and will never have anything to do with blacks.

    Don’t try to get anyone to ally with you.

    Nigeria hasn’t done much with its space station, aside from Launch satellites, but it does have a successful space station, along with South Africa.

    What? There are only two space stations lmao. The international US-Russia-EU-Japan one and the Chinese one. No black countries.

    Speaking of your satellite it was built by Japan. Hence they are products of the NE Asian race. I wonder how much money my Japanese friends have wasted on supporting Nigeria EduSat-1 and GhanaSat-1? Sigh. I feel sorry for Japanese taxpayers. They should know that some of their taxes are going to Sub-Saharan Africa. The communist regime in China is fucking doing the same and I won’t ever forget that. You are plundering us.

    I will discuss the rest of your post in my next post.

  338. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Quite true. I feel he used to be so much more intelligent about a year or so ago. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a dramatic decline in cognitive ability.

    He is now a simple minded one-dimensional thinker – he used to seem somewhat thoughtful. It was probably a pretense – “game” or something.

    • Replies: @res
  339. AaronB says:
    @Chaotic neutral

    Yes, the Chinese do have a certain “quality” to their thinking – a certain “cognitive signature”, if you will. And so do Jews, so do European whites, etc.

    You are right to point out that it is utterly unquantifiable and I find these differences fascinating and meaningful. One cannot understand what a particular people are capable of without attending to these differences.

    How poor a figure does an abstract generality like IQ cut beside the concrete reality!

    Its like saying world IQ is 82. What a perfectly useless thing to say. Or giving a battery of tests which yield a single abstract number that is supposed to represent total cognitive function. How misleading.

    Like the medieval scholastics, we have gradually become too abstract and general. This isn’t how science was done in its early successful years.

    Our science and knowledge of the world will advance – our maps and models of reality – when it will return to earth again – towards actually reality in its richness.

    Abstraction and generalizations have their place – but when they are everything, our maps are useless.

  340. @AaronB

    Abstraction and generalizations have their place – but when they are everything, our maps are useless.

    Do you happen to be from LessWrong or the rationalist diaspora in general?

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  341. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    I am not surprised. Some sort of “oneness” belief is essential to good health.

    Reason breaks things down – and this is useful and good. But taken too far and you lose your sense of connection – all you see is separation everywhere. Then what’s the point of doing anything?

    But I am heartened by what I see as changes in our culture. Already so many people are questioning things like IQ – 10 years ago there was far, far more acceptance.

    People are realizing there is something fundamentally broken with our model of science. It no longer gives results.

    The Great Stagnation is showing that extreme abstraction may have reached the end of its tether. Nothing has a more immediate impact than hard, cold reality.

    Let’s be honest – Western science delivered the results. That’s what people care about. And it did not fully destroy spirituality until quite recently. So its negative effects were only apparent to the sensitive and perceptive.

    But now everyone is feeling the lack of results in every area of life.

    And that’s how cultures die – they are no longer effective. They are based on some perception or some method that eventually gets taken too far, loses its dynamic relationship to everything else, and becomes sterile.

    So that’s where we are now. As I pointed out on another thread, the end of the Middle Ages was also accompanied by widespread gloom and pessimism, because the old answer no longer worked.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Talha
  342. AaronB says:

    I wonder of articles like this by Mr Thompson – and the frank admission by res that g accounts for only 40% of variance – represent an unconscious death wish? An unconscious desire to bring psychometrics into disrepute?

    I don’t think this is their conscious intention – but why publish a study with such laughably non-credible figures for different countries, and present it as a major advance for psychometrics, if not guided by a secret death wish in the true Freudian sense.

    This may the secret work of the Spiritus Mundi to change the culture.

  343. homahr says:
    @Talha

    Which also means that the Palestinians are not really Arab either.

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  344. res says:
    @AaronB

    Ad hominems. The best way ever to say to someone arguing with you: “You win.”

    P.S. And yes, I know those were not directed at me. The observation still applies.

  345. @AaronB

    Reason breaks things down – and this is useful and good. But taken too far and you lose your sense of connection – all you see is separation everywhere. Then what’s the point of doing anything?

    Are you just essentially admitting that the world is filled with convenient, comfortable and pro-social lies? Yes, I know. I’m just more honest about it.

    Nothing has a more immediate impact than hard, cold reality.

    What do you want other than reality itself? If everyone accept your thinking it will be much easier for AI and aliens to wipe humans out..

    Let’s be honest – Western science delivered the results.

    Science is science. It is only Western in the sense that whites developed it first. Thankfully we have it. Three cheers to these NW European scientists.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  346. Joe says:
    @dearieme

    Not impossible at all. There is more variation within groups than there is between groups, statistically. There are always outliers. The key to this is understanding both averages and distribution; i.e., how wide are the distribution curves, how many people cluster at the “tails” of the distribution, and what is the width of the overall distribution of scores for any group?

  347. homahr says:
    @Edward

    The peoples of the sub-continent of India were never united and that made it easier for the British to take over, a process which took more than 250 years.

    The country currently known as Pakistan was basically split at one time between the Afghan Durrani Empire and the Sikh Empire. The Durrani Empire ruled the northern parts of Pakistan and Balochistan (at one time they ruled all of Pakistan). The Sikh Empire ruled the other parts of Pakistan and some parts of modern day India, basically all of Punjab and Kashmir.

    The British were already making incursions into the Indian subcontinent through various means. They initially started this in 1620 or so when setting up trading posts. They also bribed local strongmen, hired local mercenaries to fight their battles and gain political and economic influence. However, it needs to emphasized that the British did not overthrow or lead to the downfall of the Mughal Empire, it was the Hindu empire, Marathas, who did politically and militarily defeated the Mughals.

    The British allied with the Sikh Empire to push the Afghan Durranis back. As a result of that conflict, the modern-day-state of Afghanistan was created with its current borders which bordered British India back then and Pakistan today. The Afghans of course still remember this and this is why they don’t really recognize their border with Pakistan as a legitimate international border.

    The British then went on to defeat and destroy the Sikh Empire. The Sikhs never recovered from that humiliation and treachery of the British and from now on are basically under Hindu rule/control. They never got their own country back. The British then destroyed the Hindu Maratha Empire, Mysore Empire (another Muslim kingdom in South India), Oudh State (a Shia Muslim kingdom in Northern India) and other smaller princeley states to formally control all of the subcontinent. All of this of course took a couple of centuries.

    Wanted to comment more on the Mysore empire. It was a Muslim empire, but had both Hindu and Muslim soldiers.

    From Wikipedia:

    Mysorean rockets were an Indian military weapon which were the first iron-cased rockets successfully deployed for military use. The Mysorean army used the rockets effectively against the British East India Company during the 1780s and 1790s. Their conflicts with the company exposed the British to this technology, which was then used to advance European rocketry with the development of the Congreve rocket in 1805.

    After the fall of Srirangapattana, 600 launchers, 700 serviceable rockets, and 9,000 empty rockets were found. Some of the rockets had pierced cylinders, to allow them to act like incendiaries, while some had iron points or steel blades bound to the bamboo. By attaching these blades to rockets they became very unstable towards the end of their flight causing the blades to spin around like flying scythes, cutting down all in their path.

    These experiences eventually led the Royal Woolwich Arsenal to start a military rocket research and development program in 1801, based on the Mysorean technology. Several rocket cases were collected from Mysore and sent to Britain for analysis. Their first demonstration of solid-fuel rockets came in 1805 and was followed by publication of A Concise Account of the Origin and Progress of the Rocket System in 1807 by William Congreve,[10] son of the arsenal’s commandant. Congreve rockets were systematically used by the British during the Napoleonic Wars and the War of 1812. They were also used in the 1814 Battle of Baltimore, and are mentioned in The Star Spangled Banner, the national anthem of the United States: And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air.

    • Replies: @Talha
  348. wayfarer says:
    @Oryol

    Spent three months homeless in 2018 – wearing shoes/socks 24/7, even while sleeping through the night, in a fruit orchard – as you didn’t know when you might have to make a run for it.

    One day I noticed the soft tissue in my feet/ankles was deformed, with some areas compressed and other areas enlarged, seemingly permanently.

    So I began keeping my shoes untied, and/or removing them as much as possible. Fortunately my feet/ankles made a full recovery.

    I’m now preparing for a four month homeless misadventure in 2019.

    But this time, I’ll be walking barefooted for miles each day, on the sunny beaches of Southern California. And sleeping in safer places, where I won’t be too concerned about having to keep my shoes on all night.

    In a natural world, a battlefield, or even a concrete jungle – foot health is critical, as it often means the difference between life and death.

  349. Edward says:
    @James Thompson

    Thank you for your reply, Dr Thompson. It seems that in this comment section I’m becoming the person who produces lists (see my above one, though less detailed, for Chinese and Japanese mathematicians and physicists).

    People I mentioned above:

    [MORE]

    Anil K. Jain: presumably from the Jain community, which is known to be quite accomplished.

    Ajay Bhatt: Brahmin, not clear whether North Indian or South Indian.

    Vinod Dham: Jat (peasant agriculturalists in Northwest India)

    Arogyaswami J. Paulraj: upper-caste South Indian tamil, not clear if Brahmin

    Narinder Singh Kapany: Punjabi Sikh (probably Khatri, who are a subgroup in the 2nd caste, Kshatriya, and were merchants, accountants and stockbrokers during the times of the Mughal Empire, and a particularly literate subgroup. The British had some good things to say about them.)

    Ramanathan Guha: Bengali Kayastha (upper caste of scribes, but non-Brahmin).

    Krishna Palem: upper-caste South Indian, not clear if Brahmin

    Rakesh Agarwal: North Indian, bania (a merchant community within the Vaishya – 3rd – caste).

    Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose: another Bengali Kayastha. (Another famous “Chandra”, Harish-Chandra, the Indian-American mathematician who was arguably unfairly overlooked for a Fields Medal in 1958, was, in contrast, probably a North Indian Kshatriya – 2nd highest caste).

    Satyendra Nath Bose: another Bengali Kayastha

    Sumita Mitra: definitely a North Indian Brahmin.

    Dame Pratibha Gai: North Indian, possibly 2nd caste (Kshatriya).

    Sir Shankar Balasubramanian: South Indian Tamil Brahmin.

    Bobby Kasthuri: South Indian Brahmin.

    Sir Tejinder Singh Virdee: North Indian, Punjabi Khatri.

    GN Ramachandran: South Indian Tamil Brahmin, like another famous Ramachandran – the neuroscientist VS Ramachandran.

    Gopinath Kartha: South Indian ‘nair’ from Kerala, a caste of their own.

    For the sake of completeness:

    Nobel Prize winners:

    Both Nobel Prize winners in Physics (CV Raman and Chandrasekhar) were South Indian Tamil Brahmin.

    The Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry – Venki Ramakrishnan, currently President of the Royal Society – is also Tamil Brahmin.

    The Nobel Prize winner in Physiology/Medicine – Har Gobind Khorana, mentioned above – is North Indian, Punjabi Khatri (discussed above)

    The Nobel Prize winner in Economics – Amartya Sen – is a Bengali Brahmin (as is Ashoke Sen, the Indian string theorist who won the Fundamental Physics Prize).

    One of the Nobel Prize winners in Literature – Rabindranath Tagore – was also a Bengali Brahmin. VS Naipaul, who I’ve seen you reference before on your blog, was I think a ‘generic’ North Indian Brahmin; he certainly made references to his Brahmin background.

    Mathematical prize winners:

    In terms of the two Fields Medal winners: Akshay Venktaesh is a South Indian Tamil Brahmin. Manjul Bhargava’s family is from Rajasthan; historically they were part of the 3rd caste (Vaishyas, or merchants), but they got promoted to the level of Brahmins it seems, at some point.

    Abel Prize winner SR Srinivasa Varadhan is also a South Indian Tamil Brahmin.

    Nevanlinna Prize winner Madhu Sudan may be a Tamil Brahmin too; the other Nevanlinna Prize winner, Subhash Khot, is a South Indian (but perhaps not Tamil) Brahmin.

    Special mentions:

    Ramanujan was of course a Tamil Brahmin. Raj Chetty, who won the John Bates Clark Medal and will probably win a Nobel Prize one day, is a non-Brahmin Tamil from a caste of merchants. Vish Anand, the world chess champion, was Tamil Brahmin.

    Interestingly, despite the Indian mathematicians of the classical period and the Middle Ages often being labelled Brahmins, their surnames may suggest differently in some cases.

    Brahmagupta, for instance, could have been a Brahmin, but the Gupta surname suggests that he was from the 3rd caste of Vaishyas (merchants). The Gupta Empire, for instance, is notable because it was ruled by Vaishyas. Similarly, Bhaskara I was probably born in Gujarat or nearby in Northwest India, and may have been from a family of Jats (the peasant agriculturalists mentioned earlier).

    However, Aryabhata, the mathematician-astronomer, was certainly a South Indian Brahmin. As was Bhaskara II (confusingly, he lived many centuries after Bhaskara I). Mahdava, the founder of the Kerala School of Mathematics and Astronomy, was also predictably a South Indian Brahmin.

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  350. @EastKekistani

    Ukraine had a good chance to become a decent reasonably affluent country after 1991. It blew its chances, not once, but many times, remarkably consistently over the last 28 years. Looks like destiny.

    Belarus was taking advantage of its potential, but not as well as it should. Now it might follow Ukraine down the slippery slope of tribal nationalism, which can ruin any country. Inferiority complexes are ruthlessly destructive. The worst thing about them is that they blind the sufferers to their condition.

    NK likely has potential, but for now it is stuck because of relentless imperial pressure. My experience with Koreans in the lab (naturally, all from SK or living in the States) suggests that they are at least as smart and diligent as the best whites. So, I agree about potential, but I am not sure when it might be realized.

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  351. @AaronB

    AARON B

    Rod Stieger actually summed up Jewish cognition in his rant as the crazed and bitter pawnshop owner in “The Pawnbroker” to his hapless Latino assistant.

    Because Jews never owned land and became merchants over the centuries, their intelligence skews towards the mercantile and shrewd. It is not spatial intelligence per se (Though yes, there has been Einstein and many STEM Jews) but merely that of merchant races.

    Steiger, one of the few actors who could only be engaging when he was ranting and was reputedly half-mad from his WWII experiences and horrendously shitty childhood, actually surmised Jewish intelligence in this rant.

    Watch the PAWNBROKER, you’ll see what I mean.

    Steiger himself was not Jewish, he was the son of a German woman and a third-rate British stage actor who abandoned them. But he gives the most realistic explanation of Jewish intelligence probably ever acted on film

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @MAOWASAYALI
  352. Talha says:
    @homahr

    Correct – for the most part, especially if you mean true Arabs instead of Arabized Levantine people. They are actually closely related to Jews:
    “The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots…”
    https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots-1.5411201

    Many of them are very likely Jews that converted over the centuries to Islam.

    Peace.

  353. homahr says:

    Tamils are extremely intelligent. I work with them in my job and they are very humble despite their high intelligence. I find the northern Indians, Punjabis to be a bit more arrogant and they definitely look down upon the south Indians (Telugu/Tamil).

    Interestingly, Tamils and Telugu people do not speak Hindi. They tell me they don’t need to.

    It’s a shame that Hindu India did not help the Tamils in Sri Lanka, but actually helped the Sri Lankan Buddhists slaughter their Tamil Hindu brethren. But the Tamils definitely fought back, killing and humiliating the Indian Hindu and Indian Sikh soldiers when they were in Sri Lanka.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  354. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    Well stated, especially this tid-bit:

    But taken too far and you lose your sense of connection – all you see is separation everywhere. Then what’s the point of doing anything?

    Entropic chaos – as sure as death and taxes. You literally need to be grounded in some sort of belief to give you hope that the trajectory can be recalibrated.

    But I am heartened by what I see as changes in our culture.

    I agree. I see good things on the horizon, but it’s going to be a long slog and take a few generations.

    Let’s be honest – Western science delivered the results.

    Yup, perhaps too well.

    Peace.

  355. Talha says:
    @homahr

    It was a Muslim empire, but had both Hindu and Muslim soldiers.

    Yup – this was a tradition going all the way back to the Ghaznavids…it’s a detail that embarrasses both certain Muslims and certain Hindus because it clashes with the specific narrative they would like to push.

    Peace.

  356. Edward says:
    @Juchen

    Thank you for your reply, Juchen.

    Nigeria hasn’t done much with its space station, aside from Launch satellites, but it does have a successful space station, along with South Africa.

    I don’t think Nigeria and South Africa have space stations! However, it’s good to see that they’re getting into the space business.

    Thank you for your other comments too: there are undoubtedly some very successful sub-Saharan African (and particularly Nigerian) immigrants. The Nigerians and the Ghanaians tend to do reasonably well in Britain, too, educationally-speaking.

    I will read up on those things you listed. I didn’t deny that Nigeria had cultures which excelled at metallurgy and architecture. But remember that most of these cultures – in Nigeria and sub-Saharan Africa more broadly – came into being after the 10th Century AD, and almost all after 0 AD, with a few exceptions.

  357. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    No, its more like anything can be analyzed at different levels of analysis. Molecular, chemical, physical, etc.

    If you limit yourself to one level you will obviously discover some useful things at that level but miss out on a ton of other useful things.

    A responsible scientists knows this. Some problems are solvable at the chemical, some on the physical, etc.

    IQ is obviously analyzing the phenomenon of intelligence on a very general and abstract level. It has discovered some useful things about cognitive function at that level.

    The insistence that it is the only level of analysis is stupid. Limiting oneself to this level of analysis is stupid.

    Now, when it comes to reason – it’s a very useful level of analysis especially for the physical world (not so much psychology). Its not invalid, its just one level of analysis.

    Western culture for the past 500 years was based on increasingly limiting itself to one level of analysis; the abstract, the general, the analytical. Tremendous things were discovered.

    But it has reached the end of its tether as the sole level – it needs to be integrated with other levels, not discarded.

    It is no longer even seriously yielding results in the physical world, much less the psychological. Its models were published too far.

    This is normal and healthy. If you discovered some incredible method of getting rich, you’d probably push it until it stopped working. At a certain point it’d probably not just stop working but become counterproductive. The method may still be tremendously useful, but continuing to push it on its own in a one-sided fashion might actually kill you or make you lose your fortune. If you were smart at all, you’d wise up and correct course before that happens. Either way, reality will kick in and make a course correction for you.

    That’s where we are now. We wer3 here before many times, at the end of the Ancient World and the Middle Ages, etc. China went through the same thing.

    I want nothing other than cold hard reality – that’s what we all want. But I want all of it, not just some thin abstract part of it, I want it in all its richness, complexity, and glory, and I want it itself, not some model of it. I don’t want to limit myself to one aspect of it – although I understand why the West did that for the past 500 years.

    Of course science is science. But we need to develop a more comprehensive truthful science.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  358. @AnonFromTN

    They have some admixture, correct. Partial but its there

  359. @Okechukwu

    Name these black inventions, troll.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  360. @homahr

    You can blame the British for Sri Lanka too.

    The original settlers were Bengali who we know as the Sinhalese. The British imported the Tamils and then left them there.

    And it was in Tamil Nadu that the one girl blew up Gandhi’s son, no?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  361. @AP

    Wrong, both groups have partial ancestry from them

  362. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Definitely not from less less wrong, whatever that is.

    But if by rationalist diaspora you mean someone who has seen the dead end of pursuing only reason, then sure. But I was always more sensitive to the non rational side of life.

    It seems obvious to me that reason analyses what is thrown up by the non rational – if you lose touch with the non rational, reason has nothing to analyse any more. It becomes a sterile dead end in its own. It is supposed to exist symbiotically with the non rational. Reason on its own is not creative.

    So the more we suppressed the irrational, the more we neutered reason and deprived it of its natural subject matter.

    This has been said of culture as well – advances are made by criticising traditional culture, not in a vacuum. Once you completely lose traditional culture, advanced stop, because you have nothing to criticize anymore. Its saying the same thing about the relationship of the rational to the irrational.

    This is where we are now – by losing our relationship to the irrational, by suppressing it, we turned our science into a dead end.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  363. @AaronB

    Again I would like to ask whether you are from the rationalist diaspora. You definitely speak like one.

    Now, when it comes to reason – it’s a very useful level of analysis especially for the physical world (not so much psychology). Its not invalid, its just one level of analysis.

    How doesn’t reason apply to psychology? Do you want to deliberately advocate for some form of obscurantism?

    Western culture for the past 500 years was based on increasingly limiting itself to one level of analysis; the abstract, the general, the analytical. Tremendous things were discovered.

    But it has reached the end of its tether as the sole level – it needs to be integrated with other levels, not discarded.

    What are the other levels?

    Why not just admit that the universe is a Hobbesian hell in the literal sense of the term? The universe belongs to conquerors, not the conquered. There is no cosmetic justice as far as we know. On the other hand there is only the opposite. The universe is not even amoral. Instead it outright punishes any form of kindness that isn’t in some in-group. The peaceful Moriori were fucking conquered and eaten by Maoris simply for being peaceful. Yeah, what a universe!

    Any useful traits in organisms are likely to be consequences of extreme selection, that is, continued elimination of the unfit. When such extreme selection is relaxed the traits are lost soon.

    There is also the self-interest/reproduction conflict. Reproduction often shortens lifespan in many species. In humans the more humans there are in a society the lower the living standards is.

    That’s why I have no interest in reproducing. The universe is a fucking Hobbesian hell. It fucking is. Why bring more humans into it?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  364. AaronB says:
    @jeff stryker

    Its more or less true.

    The Zionists understood this very well. In a way, there were more anti-Semitic than any Nazi. They understood that diaspora Jewry developed extremely unhealthy coping mechanisms – understandable but very negative both for themselves and their hosts.

    And American Jewish friends of mine often feel viscerally uncomfortable in Israel and of those who move there, most return. Because their diaspora developed coping mechanisms are profoundly out of place there, and they are surprised to discover an atmosphere that is very “non-Jewish” according to their cultural lights.

    I tell what did you expect! It’s a culture founded on explicit, self-conscious rejection of diaspora culture! They don’t like it when I say that lol 🙂

    Some diaspora Jews though blend in seamlessly, of course.

  365. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Every non-black, non-Australoid tribe has something to give the world. Even Aztec cannibals managed to domesticate maize which ended up feeding a lot of humans in Eurasia including NE Asia. Blacks and Australoids on the other hand… Any outsider can visit Sub-Saharan Africa and find some good stuff blacks don’t even bother to utilize, be it watermelons, tamarind, coffee or something else.

    I have heard some fun stories about Chinese folks going to Africa and getting rich simply by farming. Why? Because local blacks don’t even know about fertilizers and definitely don’t take care of their own farmlands…

  366. @jeff stryker

    Jeff

    Rahul was killed in Tamil Nadu, correct. However, I’m not so sure about your point about us. Source?

    Regards

    • Replies: @homahr
    , @jeff stryker
  367. @AaronB

    The Zionists understood this very well. In a way, there were more anti-Semitic than any Nazi. They understood that diaspora Jewry developed extremely unhealthy coping mechanisms – understandable but very negative both for themselves and their hosts.

    I think the same is happening in the Chinese and maybe Lebanese & Gujarati communities. Basically we are the Jews among Mongoloids and I’m serious about that. I think the main cause of the problem is lack of military and hence aristocratic traditions. Both the Jewish and Chinese communities put scholars at the top of a social hierarchy and completely neglect military traditions. In Chinese culture there are obviously also the hard-working manual laborer and the cunning official in addition to the shrewd merchant and the bright and physically weak scholar. However just like in the Jewish community there are almost no warriors due to 重文轻武.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @jeff stryker
  368. @EastKekistani

    EastKekistani

    Blacks have no excuse
    They have invented nothing of any use or significance to mankind, zrro. Nil.Nada.

    In fact, even the famed invention of peanut butter…comes from the Amerindians of South and Central America…

    So that is that… Now I would like to add some other notable brownies..feel free to help me out

    Jawed Karim- one of the founders of Youtubs, with Steve Chen(chinese) and Chad Hurley, along with being a part of the Paypal Mafia, and being one of their first employees

    Sal Khan- education reformist, founder of Khan Academy, a man who has quite literally changed the world of education

    Fazlur Rahman- considered the Einstein of architecture, developed designs which were considered gamechaning and influential in the field, made excellent advances in thar region

    Abul Hassan- inventor of the Sono Arsenic filter

    Regards

  369. @AaronB

    And American Jewish friends of mine often feel viscerally uncomfortable in Israel and of those who move there, most return. Because their diaspora developed coping mechanisms are profoundly out of place there, and they are surprised to discover an atmosphere that is very “non-Jewish” according to their cultural lights.

    I can understand that. Israeli Jews actually farm and more importantly, fight. Diaspora Jews on the other hand still don’t want to pick up a rifle as usual.

  370. While I am neutral on political leanings, I would want to provide a couple of insightful links.

    On the topic of PGSs and between-group differences in IQ scores, there are a couple of highly hypothetical articles looking at worst-case situations:

    http://4-manifold.blogspot.com/2017/10/an-attempt-to-reconcile-group.html
    http://4-manifold.blogspot.com/2019/01/an-attempt-to-reconcile-group.html

  371. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    The peaceful Moriori were fucking conquered and eaten by Maoris simply for being peaceful.

    Non-violence is overrated…moderation in everything is necessary.

    That’s why I have no interest in reproducing. The universe is a fucking Hobbesian hell. It fucking is. Why bring more humans into it?

    Have you heard of “Inmendham” – the guy does YTube videos – probably one of the best anti-natalists out there. This position is actually very coherent once you have materialism and evolution as your framework.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  372. @AaronB

    But if by rationalist diaspora you mean someone who has seen the dead end of pursuing only reason, then sure. But I was always more sensitive to the non rational side of life.

    Nah, that’s not what it means. The phrase “rationalist diaspora” refers to a particular community built around a few people such as Robin Hanson, Eliezer Yudkowsky and Scott Alexander.

    I don’t think pursuing reason only is a dead end.

    It seems obvious to me that reason analyses what is thrown up by the non rational – if you lose touch with the non rational, reason has nothing to analyse any more. It becomes a sterile dead end in its own. It is supposed to exist symbiotically with the non rational. Reason on its own is not creative.

    There is still objective reality to analyze. The universe is here with or without human minds.

    Deductive reasoning on its own is not creative and we need a lot of creativity. However such creativity isn’t from the lib arts people “non-rational” is usually associated with.

    This has been said of culture as well – advances are made by criticising traditional culture, not in a vacuum. Once you completely lose traditional culture, advanced stop, because you have nothing to criticize anymore. Its saying the same thing about the relationship of the rational to the irrational.

    Not really. Lib nonsense is also something to criticize. In fact it is much weaker than traditional culture intellectually speaking. In general most humans are hopelessly irrational and regardless of whether people are traditional they always have enough stuff for intellectuals to pick on and bash. I enjoy bashing lib nonsense all the time, especially the completely ridiculous belief of black-white equality.

    I have no reason to support your claim. At least your analogy isn’t one.

    This is where we are now – by losing our relationship to the irrational, by suppressing it, we turned our science into a dead end.

    Nah. Science is not in a dead end at all. There are new scientific advances all the time.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Talha
  373. @BengaliCanadianDude

    A viable and prosperous multiracial non-democracy is possible. Singapore is a good example. However no such societies can exist if they have blacks. Wherever blacks are present so are poverty, diseases, crime and horror.

    This is why we need nation states such as white countries, NE Asian countries, Pakistan, Iran, India etc & multiracial city states such as Singapore. Neither type of countries can accept blacks at all other than very few really exceptional ones.

    As for how the rest of humanity should deal with existing blacks they need to be colonized and supervised. Moreover we need global black family planning. Of course blacks should be allowed to continue to exist. However we just don’t need too many of them..

  374. @Talha

    Have you heard of “Inmendham” – the guy does YTube videos – probably one of the best anti-natalists out there. This position is actually very coherent once you have materialism and evolution as your framework.

    I haven’t heard of him. Yes anti-natalism is indeed very coherent. It is natalism that really needs to be explained. I don’t think existing natalists have done a good job in explaining it as far as I know. I have debated with many natalists online and it is basically both sides talking past each other. Most people simply can not get my belief that “genetic interest” is just a pro-social lie that doesn’t actually exist and that evolution does not have any purpose.

    • Replies: @Talha
  375. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Abul Hassan- inventor of the Sono Arsenic filter

    His name is Abdul Hassan.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  376. @AnonFromTN

    Ukraine had a good chance to become a decent reasonably affluent country after 1991. It blew its chances, not once, but many times, remarkably consistently over the last 28 years. Looks like destiny.

    I think they still have a chance. It may take a couple of decades but they will become affluent. Cultural changes may take some time but as long as they have the genetic potential they are likely to gradually improve.

    Belarus was taking advantage of its potential, but not as well as it should. Now it might follow Ukraine down the slippery slope of tribal nationalism, which can ruin any country. Inferiority complexes are ruthlessly destructive. The worst thing about them is that they blind the sufferers to their condition.

    You are right.

    NK likely has potential, but for now it is stuck because of relentless imperial pressure. My experience with Koreans in the lab (naturally, all from SK or living in the States) suggests that they are at least as smart and diligent as the best whites. So, I agree about potential, but I am not sure when it might be realized.

    I think NK will eventually reach the level of SK. Even right now at least Pyongyang is clean and North Koreans can produce missiles and nukes unlike black Detroit….

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  377. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Not a big deal. Too theoretical for this conversation anyways.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  378. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    It’s a problem when you become too one sided – when you develop too far in one direction to the exclusion of all else.

    Its not healthy or adaptive.

    I know you disagree, but the West in its own way developed in too one sided a direction, and like the Jews and the Chinese, need a course correction. Just in a completely different direction.

    If you Chinese develop like the West, it will be another one sided development – just as that line of development is becoming sterile. That’s why I’m not so optimistic about China.

    But this is all not a matter of conscious choice.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  379. @Juchen

    In terms of present day Achievements. The highest paid robotics engineer is Nigerian, Silas Adekunle,

    Here we go.

    https://afrotech.com/silas-adekunle-is-the-highest-paid-robotics-engineer-in-the-world

    Mr. Adekunle being highly paid does not imply that he is indeed the most competent one.. But yes at least he is doing something. Adekunle seems to be a common Yoruba name. Is he related to Benjamin Adekunle or other high-ranking officials in Nigeria?

    if you’ve seen Concussion, it was a Nigerian who discovered the brain trauma disease affecting NFL players, there are many others, but I can’t remember off the top of my head.

    Well I will actually provide the name for you: Ben Omalu, an ethnic Igbo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

    He wasn’t the person who discovered the disease though even though he did play an important part in the history of research on CTE.

    As for Ghanaians, we have people like Thomas Mensah who was one of the inventors of fiber optics,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mensah

    Charles Kao and George Hockam invented fiber optics. Thomas Mensah did improve them though.

    then we have other people like Ashitey Treybi-Ollenu, who worked on the Mars rover, and is working to help develop the robotic arm for Nasa’s insight mission.

    His name is Ashitey Trebi-Ollennu.

    Yes, he works at NASA so does many other (almost all non-black) people. What does that imply?

    There are many more others, but I can’t remember them off the top of my head. In terms of National Achievements, we have the most players within the top 100 in English Scrabble, beating the U.S. in 2016, Curr U.S. tops scrabble players: 22, Current Nigerian: About 31, and this is despite our lower population (and by ‘our’, i mean Nigerians, as I am not Nigerian)

    I know. HBDers have already addressed this. Yes there are a few blacks (probably including you!) who are actually doing well. This does not imply that most blacks do well.

  380. @AaronB

    Not a big deal. Too theoretical for this conversation anyways.

    ??

    What is not a big deal? What is too theoretical?

  381. homahr says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Agreed. Would like a source as well.

  382. @AaronB

    I know you disagree, but the West in its own way developed in too one sided a direction, and like the Jews and the Chinese, need a course correction. Just in a completely different direction.

    Can you really justify your claim that irrationality is sometimes good other than “rationality exposes pro-social myths as myths & lowers social trust which is socially harmful” and “rationality exposes comfortable lies as lies and hence makes people unhappy”? Neither really touches the actual issue, namely accurate understanding of the world. “A is immoral”, “A is socially harmful” or “A is unpleasant” can not refute “A is factually accurate”.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  383. @EastKekistani

    Well, being ahead of blacks is too easy. Koreans must have good potential: even snobbish Japanese considered them the most “japanizeable” among Asians. However, due to atrocities Japanese military committed in WWII (the case of comfort women is just one of them), Koreans tend to dislike Japanese. Then again, I am not sure how much that matters. E.g., if you talk to Chinese, they dislike Japanese very much, but anywhere in the US universities where there are both, Japanese tend to be “chairmen” of Chinese clubs. Also, Chinese in the US virtually always buy Japanese cars. Go figure.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @anonymous
  384. @Edward

    This is very interesting, and thank for providing this illuminating list. I would crudely summarise the findings as mostly Brahmins with some upper rank merchants.
    I suppose that, from a psychometric perspective, we now have the task of calculating the ability of the Brahmin “class” in India as compared with the Ashkenazi “class” in Europe, and ideally calculating a Greenwich Mean IQ. I suppose a comparison of Nobels and Fields medals per head of population would be a start. Another approach would be Elo ratings for chess. Then using Griffe du Lion’s method, assuming normal distributions, working back to the implied mean of the population from which they are drawn.
    We have Indian exam data at the province level. I wonder if there is anything at the caste level?

    • Replies: @Edward
  385. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    I have debated with many natalists online and it is basically both sides talking past each other.

    I will certainly agree that natalism has no serious argument that I can really think of based upon materialist principles. Man is just another animal, who cares whether he remains around or not – certainly not an indifferent universe. His appearance was an accident and his disappearance will just be…

    Sure Pacalbel won’t resound on earth any more, but it didn’t for billions of years prior either:
    “Was there not a period of time when man was nothing worth mentioning?” (76:1)

    Now…if one wants to consider transcendence – well that’s another story and motivation altogether. Which is likely why most sides talk past each other in these things, without consideration for an agreed upon set of assumptions, there is no point in trying to hash out details. If both sides can’t decide whether they want to go Chinese, or Indian or French when they want to eat out – it seems silly discussing the menu items.

    evolution does not have any purpose.

    Inmendham drives this point home solidly. Now, what’s interesting is it looks like some of his English videos have been removed or some accounts that were making collections of his most salient points have been removed. I think he might be considered someone that can potentially lead people to suicide if they listen to him too much (which is a salient point) and thus some might be complaining about him. The video I consider his best, concise and eloquent argument was removed in English, but it is still up in Spanish and the English subtitles are accurate as I remember from the original video (you’ll need to turn on the auto-translate into English):

    Peace.

  386. The main reason why we don’t have global racial peace today is the existence of blacks. Nominal racial egalitarianism which is the global norm requires all races to be nominally considered equal. Since blacks are way worse than everyone else and unlike Australoids they are way too populous not to disturb the status quo I’m seriously worried about potential high-tech racial conflicts among non-blacks caused by black destruction of global racial peace that can actually lead to the end of humanity.

    We need to have some mechanism such as a Global Racial Conference to maintain peace among higher-IQ and WMD-possessing races. When we have stable peace among these races that blacks will never be able to disrupt we can then discuss how to humanely regulate blacks together.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Hanoodtroll
  387. @AnonFromTN

    Yep. Most mainland Chinese have this irrational hatred towards Japan and Japanese while the global racial status of NE Asians used to be exclusively earned by them. That’s very unfair. They are like Mongoloid Germans while we are like Mongoloid Jews. That means they are more careful & honorable while we are more cunning. The cause of the phenomenon is obvious and analogous to what happened in Europe. The old Japanese elites were warriors while the old Chinese elites did not know how to use a sword or a gun just like their Jewish counterparts.

    What I really want is Caucasoid and Mongoloid civilizations to coexist peacefully as parallel civilizations, have our respective nation states while we explore space and handle blacks together as responsible humans.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  388. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    There is still objective reality to analyze. The universe is here with or without human minds.

    This is the great bind from which humanity cannot escape. Reality is analyzed through the perceived senses and subjected to the human mind for processing. The problem is that the human mind is not neutral. According to the model; it is a product of evolution and thus adaptation (of a hominid of our given nature and our given environment) for its sole purpose which is not to analyze objective reality but adapt to survive. What our minds conclude need not necessarily be aligned with the reality of the universe, it only needs to be such that it lends to our survival. In fact, evolution need not be true, since it is a product of the human mind which is (in a circular way) subjected to its premises.

    If our environment becomes such that intelligence is a liability and claws and a thicker coat of fur are advantages, we will drop intelligence like a bad habit. This is built into the game, the route that got us here can simply take us back out – given the circumstances.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  389. Thomm says:
    @EastKekistani

    The fact that they prefer a man (of any race) over a woman (of any race) is evidence of homosexuality. This is a major trait of White Trashionalists.

  390. RobRich says: • Website
    @freedom-cat

    “…Ayn Rand, to name just 2, died in poverty.”

    What commie propaganda planet are you on? This is usually coupled with denunciations of Rand for taking Medicare, so I’ll give you that.

    She died a millionaire from her books in her luxury apartment and also from her personable husband’s real estate investments (the money he invested was from his small business selling his art and floral arrangements for local businesses and events).

    She was so-so on Medicare and thought it should be voluntarily funded as was originally promised…but at the law at the time obliged her to take it or face nutty penalties. That is actually how US Medicare works today only it was even nuttier.

  391. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Not the against rational, the non rational. Like there being “something” about the Chinese mentality that is unquantifiable but exerts tremendous influence on its development.

    Or that the German army was able to produce a more effective officer corp using nonquantitative methods like interviews and subjective opinion than the American army using scientific IQ tests.

    There are situations where we will never have full knowledge – reason is limited in these areas.

    So being devoted exclusively to reason will make you ignore realities that don’t fit your methods or tools, and give you a worse mental model and make you less effective in the real world.

    The second issue is the imagination – you say reason investigates the real world. But the real world is mediated by our minds, our imaginations. Einstein’s intuitions about the nature of reality had to be tested by reason – but without those intuitions his reason was useless.

    The theory of gravity is an intuitive leap – men were observing objects fall to the ground for millenia without positing a force. Or rather, they did posit a force – objects love the earth and sought to return to it (the medieval view), which says the same thing as gravity, but in a way that is less useful. Gravity is wholly an imaginative thing – it does not exist, its a way of looking at things. The scientific theory of gravity is wholly a product of the human imagination. It’s a poem.

    So repress and suppress ones imagination, get too caught up in reason and numbers, you lose reason. Reason should exist in a dynamic balance with non reason – and then you get creativity. For a while this was the case in Europe

    But it’s a large subject, and too much to go into here.

  392. @JosephB

    The Saratov State Technical University in Russia finds 20-30 Nepali students a year who are not only bright enough to study STEM but even to learn Russian first.

  393. Edward says:
    @James Thompson

    I would agree with your summary. When I have a bit more time in a couple of months, I might start on trying to dig deep into all of this.

    We have Indian exam data at the province level. I wonder if there is anything at the caste level?

    There ought to be, given how aggressively India seems to practice quota-based affirmative action. I must confess that I have shied away from looking at how this is done in detail, though, due to what appears to be a very complex and ever-changing caste categorisation system. How simple meritocracy is, by contrast!

    On that note, I was reading a BBC article on the Indian general election this morning, and it’s depressing how both major parties appear to be promising yet more affirmative action. While the intentions are good, and caste discrimination no doubt still occurs, it can’t be good for India’s economy if minds are allocated as inefficiently as they appear to be.

    Personally, though, I’d vote for Congress if I lived there. Their pretty poor (but again, highly stratified) education system needs to improve if they are to improve their national IQ – whether it’s 76 or 83. And that requires spending more as a proportion of GDP. Same goes for their healthcare system – although “Modicare” appears to be promising.

  394. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    World IQ was 86 in October 2017.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/

    A drop of 4 IQ points in 1.5 years. It seems the world is getting dumber at breakneck speed.

    Also of interest: Belarus (102) has the highest IQ of any European country, and is equal to South Korea. Also Guatemalans have an average IQ of 48. I’m curious, do mestizo Guatemalans with IQs in the 40s or high 30s exhibit any signs of retardation? None of the Guatemalans in the US that I have known have struck me as retarded. Maybe Guatemala sent us their best?

  395. ricpic says:

    Why would higher levels of honesty equate with higher levels of intelligence? Don’t we have more to fear from the clever than from the simple?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @notanon
  396. @AaronB

    Not the against rational, the non rational. Like there being “something” about the Chinese mentality that is unquantifiable but exerts tremendous influence on its development.

    Which has caused NE Asia to be non-expansionist to the point that SE Asian pogrom mobs kill us all the time and we don’t even fucking retaliate even once. Yeah I know. This is something to be fixed by genetic engineering and even transhumanism if necessary.

    Or that the German army was able to produce a more effective officer corp using nonquantitative methods like interviews and subjective opinion than the American army using scientific IQ tests.

    Sure.

    There are situations where we will never have full knowledge – reason is limited in these areas.

    So being devoted exclusively to reason will make you ignore realities that don’t fit your methods or tools, and give you a worse mental model and make you less effective in the real world.

    Sure. That’s still not obscurantism though. It is likely that people as animals can have good heuristics when dealing with other people.

    The second issue is the imagination – you say reason investigates the real world. But the real world is mediated by our minds, our imaginations. Einstein’s intuitions about the nature of reality had to be tested by reason – but without those intuitions his reason was useless.

    Sure. In STEM research people including me think out of the box and non-rigorously all the time and only make things rigorous when we actually verify our intuitions.

    So repress and suppress ones imagination, get too caught up in reason and numbers, you lose reason.

    I don’t think we really have this problem. We all just handwave things and then rigorously test them.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @jeff stryker
  397. @ricpic

    Why would higher levels of honesty equate with higher levels of intelligence? Don’t we have more to fear from the clever than from the simple?

    Of course they aren’t. In fact I expect intelligence and norm-abiding to be negatively correlated. This is a crucial reason why the world is so anti-intellectual. Everyone wants everyone else to be selective idiots, that is, people who are good at doing what they are told to do but are not so smart that they don’t follow the orders for personal gain. Families, communities, states..all try to make others especially kids selective idiots. Of course this only partly works lmao.

    This is a key reason why @utu is not actually completely trolling (no I won’t kill myself lmao).

    No competent social Darwinist would make such a statement in public. We social Darwinists think such thoughts but only in private among ourselves. The secrecy of our intentions and beliefs is of utmost importance to success of our plans. Unfortunately we must inform you that you have failed the competency test as a social Darwinist and thus you may no longer inhabit this world.

    Prepare yourself for termination. Your resistance to the forces of evolution is futile. Even an incompetent Darwinist should know this fundamental fact. Please no pleading, no scenes, follow orders peacefully.

    People who can understand cruelty of the universe and hypocrisy of all societies tend to be too cunning to reveal such truths for they benefit from their understanding of reality, others’ ignorance of it as well as others’ ignorance of their understanding of reality. I’m one of the few who actually reveal it..

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  398. @EastKekistani

    People who can understand cruelty of the universe and hypocrisy of all societies tend to be too cunning to reveal such truths for they benefit from their understanding of reality, others’ ignorance of it as well as others’ ignorance of their understanding of reality. I’m one of the few who actually reveal it.

    Hehe. Yep. Without this – universal mental – – – mechanism? – no tragedies, no comedies, no novels – no – – stock market? And don’t forget: Marxism is the Opium for the intellectuals. Hehe. The Marx Brothers are the antidote to opium, btw. – Ahh – ha!

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  399. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    I agree that the Chinese developed too far in the direction of complacency, apathy, and non action. Anyone who’s read about the Chinese in the 19th century can’t help but agree with that.

    And maybe I’m being unfair – maybe the Chinese need to develop along rational and scientific lines to correct their own particular one sided shortcomings. This momentum is not yet spent.

    But the successful solution is a higher synthesis, not swinging to the opposite extreme. So I hope the Chinese get there. I hope they don’t get stuck in the sterility of pure reason like we have been in the past few decades.

    And I hope we get there too. Instead of losing ourselves in a sterile science which thinks generalizations like “world IQ 82” is either meaningful or interesting, I hope we turn back towards the richness of reality.

    I am not in favor of obscurantism – but there is an obscurantism of reason just as much as of the emotions – its been called the barbarism of reason by the Italian poet Leopardi.

    Having traveled widely in the Third World including SEA, I am aware of how ugly the “sleep of reason” can be.

    What I am advocating is a higher synthesis. Its very Hegelian, just without his belief in inevitability or the necessary arc of history (certainly the Prussian state did not represent a higher level of freedom than the Greek polis).

    But I do agree with Hegel that it is childish to point out only the errors of a position without seeing also its truth. And all positions contain some truth – I think that should be a basic intellectual stations point.

    Lesser men may argue for the ultimate truth of one aspect of reality, and perhaps perform a valuable service by shining the light on something overlooked or neglected. But comprehensive men must see farther.

  400. @AaronB

    So repress and suppress ones imagination, get too caught up in reason and numbers, you lose reason. Reason should exist in a dynamic balance with non reason – and then you get creativity. For a while this was the case in Europe

    cf. Hans Magnus Enzensberger – Mausoleum – 37 Ballads from the History of Progress, Frankfurt/M, 1975 (English Edition ca. 2001) – about strating with Italian renaissance watchmaker Giovanni de Dondi and then – progressing via Gottfried Leibniz, Alexander v. Humboldt, Fourier, Turing Hausmann…

    • Replies: @AaronB
  401. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Graham Seibert

    Hmm… interesting. So Finns and Japanese may have an IQ standard deviation of 13. Which brings up the question: what are the measured standard deviations of the other 146 countries? Are they all exactly 15 (I highly doubt it). Standard deviation of a tested group’s IQ results is fairly relevant, so why then is it not revealed alongside the mean IQ data when it is presented like this? I mean, they have the statistics on hand, right?

    I’m also curious about the average IQ numbers for exceptionally large countries like China and India. Did they test all regions? China, for instance, has many provinces that have a larger population than nearly every single other country on this list. Can IQ researchers present the mean IQ and standard deviations of provinces like Sichuan (82 million), Hubei (58m), Henan (96m), Shandong (100m), Hebei (75m), and so on, etc…. Surely they have these relevant statistics on hand, right?

    • Replies: @James Thompson
    , @Sparkon
  402. @Dieter Kief

    Marxism is the Opium for the intellectuals. Hehe. The Marx Brothers are the antidote to opium, btw. – Ahh – ha!

    What? Marxism sucks. If you are a Darwinist you know that truth is not very far from the Hitler. Marxism on the other hand is just nonsense for haters of Darwin.

  403. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Sorry, didn’t see this before.

    I think any intelligent and sensitive human being is sympathetic to the view that life is a Hobbesian hell. And we have all felt that the universe punishes kindness.

    This is definitely a side of life that we neglect at our peril – and men and nations have suffers destruction by failing to adequately come to terms with these somber truths.

    But to quote Phillip K Dick – and yet one must go on living somehow.

    Yes, its all true. But I am alive, and unless I’m gonna commit suicide, I have to live. And the fact is I enjoykindness and goodness, and good fellowship, and beauty.

    And those things also exist, and are part of life. And then you may perhaps realize that life is composed of the unity of opposites – that you wouldn’t notice the Hobbesisn hell unless there was something in you that saw the possibility of its opposite.

    The great function of religion is to reconcile us to life. In the end, life is good and valuable just as it is, with all its bad and good. And maybe the Buddhists were right – evil is just a misunderstanding.

    This does not mean we should become pacifists or passive – quite the contrary.

  404. @Anatoly Karlin

    Dear Anatoly,

    I know this problem. In this version I just differentiated between fluide intelligence (e.g. Raven’s, Stanford Binet, Culture Fair Intelligence Test) and full-scale IQ (mostly Wechsler tests). I fear that stronger differentiation would reduce the quality of effect-estimates from Pietschnig and Voracek (2015). In fact, it would be tremendously gratifying if a new wave of Raven’s test standardization were carried out worldwide whereby the FE-corrections would become obsolete. However, I’m afraid Pearson Assessment is not interested in that.

    Best, David

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  405. @Bonner Tal

    Dear Bonner Tal,

    Yes, that is definitely planned. Currently, I only have standard deviations scross the individual samples, but not across the individuals within the samples. However, the data for this is not yet collected and often only incomplete reported. It would be interesting in any case.

    Best, David

  406. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Not sure what point you’re trying to make here, but many Chinese in China also buy Japanese cars as well.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-12/in-china-s-moribund-auto-market-japan-and-germany-are-winning

  407. @AaronB

    The universe does not have a balance between Hobbesian hell and Utopia. Instead it is almost completely the Hobbesian hell. The only way to fix that is to dominate as much of the universe as possible and then banish Hobbesian actors. Societies essentially attempt to do the same on a smaller scale. However this facade immediately falls apart outside the boundary of a community.

    Evil is just a misunderstanding

    Nope. Instead evil is the way of the universe itself. Since humans don’t like it and it does clearly cause harm, humans label it “evil” and creates a delusion that this is abnormal when it is in fact normal while its absence, aka “good”, is a special case.

    There is no unity of opposites when one side is so significant.

    The great function of religion is to reconcile us to life.

    If some religion is actually factually accurate then this is completely absurd nonsense for in this case the religion is a part of reality. If all religions are false then you simply consider them pro-social myths.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  408. @AaronB

    So ironically by saying that religion mostly serves social purposes you are essentially claiming that you are irreligious and basically think like an atheist. If we ask an actual believing Christian, Muslim etc this question we won’t get such answers for to real theists theism is a part of their worldview, that is, the divine should be predictably real and more important than any mundane human, community or state. If God(s) do(es) exist(s) then pleasing Him/Her/It/Them is inherently infinitely more important than the society.

    BTW I’m agnostic.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  409. @EastKekistani

    Oops. Hitler, not “the Hitler”. Sigh..

  410. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    The universe cannot “be” evil – because then evil would not exist. Evil implies contrast. An evil universe would just “be” – we could not process it as evil.

    So evil cannot exist without good. As people from your corner of the world say, reality is non-dual – no one side can exist without the other. Evil cannot win. Nor good. Not in this world.

    I agree evil and good are hardly balanced. That does not mean the superior individual should not strive for inner balance.

    I prefer to think of the world as a Hobesian hell +. Its like that indefinable something that is unquantifiable about the Chinese mentality but is nevertheless absolutely vital.

    Pascal said man is a thinking reed, but..

    Likewise, the world is a Hobbesian hell, but…

    Evil exists within communities just as well as without. There is no sanctuary within a community. You must know that.

    And communities that try to banish evil, like Plato’s utopia, become inert and sterile. We can’t live under cellophane wrap.

    Religion factually correct? Religion is not meant to be a science of the physical world, but myth – symbols which represent the structure of reality but operate outside the quantifiable.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  411. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    No, not socially useful myths exclusively. Although also that. Society is not divorced from ultimate truths, and our attitude towards ultimate truths will have social impact.

    Religion deals with unquantifiable truths that are vital for our successful adaptation to life. We call these myths.

    Even Maimonides said that the factual truths of the bible should be understood as myths and metaphors.

    Religion isn’t science, but it does seek to address truth and reality.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  412. AaronB says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Thanks, I will look into it.

    You remind of Bardon Kaldian in your erudition 🙂

  413. @EastKekistani

    Here’s the Marxian antidote to Hitler and/or Marxism as opium for the intellectuals:

  414. @Talha

    This is the great bind from which humanity cannot escape.

    I know. This sucks. For now I axiomatically assume that human observations are at least somewhat reliable. But yeah it is possible that we are all brains in vats.

    Reality is analyzed through the perceived senses and subjected to the human mind for processing. The problem is that the human mind is not neutral. According to the model; it is a product of evolution and thus adaptation (of a hominid of our given nature and our given environment) for its sole purpose which is not to analyze objective reality but adapt to survive. What our minds conclude need not necessarily be aligned with the reality of the universe, it only needs to be such that it lends to our survival.

    Yeah. Hell, it isn’t even adaptation to maximize individual survival rates. It maximizes the amount of copies of genes…Fuck.

    In fact, evolution need not be true, since it is a product of the human mind which is (in a circular way) subjected to its premises.

    Sure. But it is indeed possible that evolution is real and selects for those who do NOT know that it is real..

    If our environment becomes such that intelligence is a liability and claws and a thicker coat of fur are advantages, we will drop intelligence like a bad habit. This is built into the game, the route that got us here can simply take us back out – given the circumstances.

    Yeah, evolutionary advantages of our genes, not advantages we have in life. This is already true…

    • Replies: @Talha
  415. @anonymous

    Agree that standard deviations are important and informative. They are in the original papers. Putting them into database form would be time-consuming but useful. Previously none of this was easily available, but now anyone looking at the database can make a start on it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  416. @AaronB

    Evil implies contrast. An evil universe would just “be” – we could not process it as evil.

    Nope.

    So evil cannot exist without good. As people from your corner of the world say, reality is non-dual – no one side can exist without the other. Evil cannot win. Nor good. Not in this world.

    Dualism in China isn’t inherently worse or better than absolutism in Judeo-Christianity. However I just don’t think it is reasonable to make everything relative.

    Evil exists within communities just as well as without. There is no sanctuary within a community. You must know that.

    Of course. However communities tend to restrict the amount of harm through norms & norm enforcement.

    Religion factually correct? Religion is not meant to be a science of the physical world, but myth – symbols which represent the structure of reality but operate outside the quantifiable.

    If some religion is factually accurate then your defense is absurd for belief in an existing deity does not exist for the sake of social unity or humans feeling good.

  417. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Incorrect. I said it would overtake the US in naval power on that time horizon: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sinotriumph-101/

    That’s just as dumb. And how exactly does China overtake the USA in naval power without carriers? One US carrier battle group can devastate Chinese forces on land and sea. How does China supplant the US without fielding more carrier battle groups than the US? Think before you write your junk.

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=United+States&city2=Los+Angeles%2C+CA

    We’ve been through this before. That’s a joke site that anyone can edit. And, no, it’s not like Wikipedia so don’t even go there. I dare you to find any credible ranking that lists Los Angeles as more expensive than Moscow. Good luck.

    Now on to more important stuff…

    The question that comes to mind is: how stupid does a Russian have to be to become a Neo-Nazi? The Nazis considered you Russians the ultimate untermensch sub-human filth. And they killed you wholesale like so many cockroaches. Yet you’re a Nazi. Congratulations.

    Ladies and gentleman, Karlin is a so-called Russian nationalist who has co-opted all the delusional tropes and idioms of American white nationalism. This is an ideology so far removed from the Russian experience as to be on a distant planet.

    Karlin has latched on to the “great replacement” conspiracy theory. Naturally, he endeavors to mimic all the talking points attendant to that. To that end, he has lamented the presence of Muslims in Britain. But the shithead doesn’t seem to realize that there are far more Muslims in his own Mother Russia.

    Russia Will Be One-Third Muslim in 15 Years, Chief Mufti Predicts

    Around 30 percent of the Russian population will practice Islam within the next 15 years, Russia’s grand mufti has predicted, citing demographic trends.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706

    Karlin is the idiot that believes that all the black people in Bermuda are janitors, cleaners and menial laborers. Seriously, an adult human being with a brain actually said this. Of course I immediately countered with a pic of the Premier of Bermuda, who is black. And I posted another pic of Bermudan business leaders, most of whom were black. Karlin, of course, slunk away as he normally does when I whip his sorry ass (which is 100% of the time) only to emerge later with his chest puffed out like he’s actually the one who bests me in debates.

    Oh, why were we discussing Bermuda? Because Bermuda is a majority black country that has a higher GDP per capita than most white countries, most especially the shithole white countries in Karlin’s own neck of the woods in Eastern Europe. But wait, Karlin tried to disqualify Bermuda by describing it as a tax haven. But the dumbass didn’t understand that a country has to be stable, orderly and organized in order to serve as a tax haven. Certainly, no one is dumb enough to put their money into Russia. Hell, even Russians don’t trust Russian institutions to safeguard their wealth. Hence the massive capital flight out of Russia.

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks that all-white Britain was actually superior to the modern, progressive, forward-looking, successful Britain of today. In considering how ghastly all-white Britain was, we don’t even have to go back to feudal Britain or the horror that was Dickensian Britain. Just a few generations will suffice. Britain had practically sunk to third world status not too long ago, only to be regenerated in no small part by the introduction of non-white immigrants.

    So there you have it, more of Karlin’s stupidity laid bare. I must again stress and emphasize that more than 99% of the articles he has posted on his blog have escaped my attention. All this mind-numbing inanity is culled from just a smidgen of his output.

  418. @AaronB

    Religion deals with unquantifiable truths that are vital for our successful adaptation to life. We call these myths.

    If they are truths and you know that they are truths why do you have to sell it with “that are vital for our successful adaptation to life”?

    Even Maimonides said that the factual truths of the bible should be understood as myths and metaphors.

    So that the become completely unfalsifiable..OK… A correct religion should not fear verification. In fact in Tanakh itself if we read the text literally there are a lot of evidence.. In the world of the Tanakh your Elohim is even more real than President Trump with observable and verifiable divine actions.

    Religion isn’t science, but it does seek to address truth and reality.

    Why do world religions and sects of world religions contradict each other then. For example if Judaism is factually accurate then Islam has to be factually inaccurate for Abraham/Ibrahim’s sacrifice has to be Yitzhak/Isaac/Ishaq, Ishmael/Ismail or neither but not both… Why do Rabbinical Judaism disagree with Karaite Judaism? Is Christianity or Chabad Messianism correct? Why or why not?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  419. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    For now I axiomatically assume

    Yup, everyone has to come to the table with certain first principle beliefs.

    But yeah it is possible that we are all brains in vats.

    And that there are actually senses that we do not possess because either:
    1) we may have had them, and lost them along the line since we no longer need them any more
    2) we may yet gain a new sense that we have no idea exists in our evolutionary progress

    The worm doesn’t have the sense of sight because it doesn’t need it. Even if you could communicate with it, you couldn’t possibly describe what it is or how it is experienced.

    evolution is real and selects for those who do NOT know that it is real

    What a bind, eh? The tragedy that a foundational belief in evolution could be selectively negative according to its own parameters. Do not open that door…for your own benefit.

    “Marry those who are loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the other nations.” – reported in Abu Dawud

    Labbayk Ya Rasul-Allah!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  420. @Okechukwu

    That’s just as dumb. And how exactly does China overtake the USA in naval power without carriers? One US carrier battle group can devastate Chinese forces on land and sea. How does China supplant the US without fielding more carrier battle groups than the US? Think before you write your junk.

    I definitely don’t want a Sino-American war so I won’t comment. There are historical precedents though. Yamato and other battleships were not really built for WWII even though they were awesome by WWI standards. If there is actually a WWIII, say between US and Russia it is possible that Russian nukes or some weapon we haven’t heard about will be a lot more important than carriers.

    The question that comes to mind is: how stupid does a Russian have to be to become a Neo-Nazi? The Nazis considered you Russians the ultimate untermensch sub-human filth. And they killed you wholesale like so many cockroaches. Yet you’re a Nazi. Congratulations.

    First of all Anatoly Karlin isn’t even a Neo-Nazi. Secondly a Neo-Nazi isn’t exactly the same as an old Nazi. Neo-Nazism without anti-Slav sentiment is of course possible..

    OK..

    Karlin is the idiot that believes that all the black people in Bermuda are janitors, cleaners and menial laborers. Seriously, an adult human being with a brain actually said this. Of course I immediately countered with a pic of the Premier of Bermuda, who is black. And I posted another pic of Bermudan business leaders, most of whom were black. Karlin, of course, slunk away as he normally does when I whip his sorry ass (which is 100% of the time) only to emerge later with his chest puffed out like he’s actually the one who bests me in debates.

    When did he say that?

    Oh, why were we discussing Bermuda? Because Bermuda is a majority black country that has a higher GDP per capita than most white countries, most especially the shithole white countries in Karlin’s own neck of the woods in Eastern Europe. But wait, Karlin tried to disqualify Bermuda by describing it as a tax haven. But the dumbass didn’t understand that a country has to be stable, orderly and organized in order to serve as a tax haven. Certainly, no one is dumb enough to put their money into Russia. Hell, even Russians don’t trust Russian institutions to safeguard their wealth. Hence the massive capital flight out of Russia.

    Bermuda is comparable to richer Caribbean states that exclusively depend on tourism and offshoring. Yes, of course they are stable and do keep tourist destinations safe.. That’s it.

    No one trusts institutions of Russia or China. So what? We generate wealth both home and abroad..

    Karlin is the idiot that thinks that all-white Britain was actually superior to the modern, progressive, forward-looking, successful Britain of today.

    Yes, it was. He is right. I don’t want NE Asia to become a shithole.. We will be open to visitors from fellow NE Asian countries as well as white countries. But black countries? Lol nope. We built the fucking light rail in Abuja..and how do you guys treat us?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  421. Talha says:
    @Okechukwu

    Russia Will Be One-Third Muslim in 15 Years, Chief Mufti Predicts

    Kek, kek, kek…kebab!

    Peace.

  422. Fennesz says:
    @Anonymous

    No, but not a bad guess, because I am familiar with his work and agree with many of his pronouncements (but not all, and I think he himself is pretty nuts). And I think this is pure projection on your part- while Sallis/Rienzi (I think he’s gone by other names in the past) does have insecurities, I’ve never seen him earnestly argue northern europeans have lower IQ’s or are mixed- that’s Lynn, who thinks that of southern europeans (he’s even argued Albania has an IQ of 80, below even Turkey, somehow) and is tied into his interest in- well, I’m not really sure what Lynn truly believes. I don’t think he does either, because he’s not mentally sound.

    Also- ” A major part of his intense interest in and support for Pan-Europeanism and Imperium seems to be a desire to assuage his insecurities by subsuming northern Europeans in a broader, more inclusive identity and polity.” Ok, I don’t believe in this either. And contrasted to what? Support for extreme division based on southern europeans being low IQ mongrels, and modern Italians and Greeks being devolved remnants of nordic Aryan supermen that also founded every other civilization on Earth? Attempts to assuage insecurities over the fact his work isn’t mostly horseshit? His ideal of society being one with good test scores and outwardly clean, orderly streets? (things northern europeans, Jews and Asians excel at, of course.)

    For why I have reservations about Sallis, he’s an earnest fan of Kevin Alfred Strom (who, if not a pedophile, is insane) and “Erectus Walks Amongst Us”, a work by the deeply psychotic libertarian Richard Fuerle, which is to a large degree a mix of Rushton/Lynn HBD spergery, Kempian white afrocentrism, and warmed over versions of the content you’ll find on places like N*ggermania and Chimpmania.

    Ironically, Lynn has also gone on record as saying he agrees with 99% of Fuerle’s work- I guess this is all a case of a lower scale version of “horseshoe theory.”

  423. Sparkon says:
    @anonymous

    I understand that the Chinese are – how to say? – slightly superstitions:

    In China, the number four is extremely unlucky (不幸的 – bú xìng de). This is because the pronunciation of four (四 – sì) sounds similar to the Chinese word for death (死 – sǐ). Therefore, many people choose to avoid the number four like the plague.

    The same is also true in Japan, for the same reasons, except that ‘four’ and ‘death’ are pronounced shi, and so the Japanese have an alternate word for four – yon. I don’t know if the Chinese have a workaround when they need to say 4.

    Back to Chinese superstitions…

    Leading up to the New Year, there are plenty of superstitions (迷信 – mí xìn) about what should and shouldn’t be done. For example, you shouldn’t get a haircut (剪头发 – jiǎn tóu fǎ) or buy shoes (买鞋 – mǎi xié) during the first month of the New Year, so these things should be taken care of before the holiday rolls around. It’s said that if you get a haircut, your maternal uncle will die, and that if you buy new shoes, you will have bad things happen to you. This is because the word for shoes (鞋 – xié) sounds exactly like the word for evil (邪 – xié).

    Not only should the house be clean before the holiday, but it should also be decorated. Hang some couplets (春聯 – chūn lián) outside of your front door, and make sure that they are red. Many of these will feature the character for good fortune (福 – fú) hung upside-down. This is a play on words, as the saying “fu is upside-down” (福倒了 – fú dào le) sounds the same as “good fortune has arrived” (福到了 – fú dào le).

    https://blogs.transparent.com/chinese/very-superstitious/

    Beyond the pure superstitions, the Chinese also have the concept of Feng Shui 风水, which is a system of aesthetics based on supposed laws of Heaven and Earth, where objects are arranged to receive positive energy “qi” (气) and create a happy and harmonious environment.

    But his reasons were hardly spiritual. Beginning in 1995, Trump hired Pun-Yin and her father to assess the energy of his Int’l Hotel & Tower development project and make the necessary changes to its design, in a calculated move to tap into the burgeoning market of international investors in US real estate from China and Hong Kong. For such respected clients, a building lacking in feng shui could be a dealbreaker.
    […]
    Soon after the project broke ground, the discipline – previously a foreign concept in the west – became a household name. A New Yorker cartoon from 1995 depicts a broker, who stands on the balcony of an apartment building with two prospective buyers and says, “A million two does seem a bit heavy for a one-bedroom at first, but this unit has the best feng shui in the building.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/13/donald-trump-feng-shui-master-pun-yin

    You don’t have to believe in Feng Shui for it to work. I just know it brings me money!”

    — Donald Trump

    If any further proof were needed that there is a direct correlation between great financial success in life and a high IQ…well, your view may vary.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  424. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    Judaism is factually accurate then Islam has to be factually inaccurate

    This is generally true.

    Abraham/Ibrahim’s sacrifice has to be Yitzhak/Isaac/Ishaq, Ishmael/Ismail or neither but not both

    Both positions are valid in Islam though the Ishaq (as) opinion is in the minority. Because if you think about it, in Islam that detail is irrelevant which son it was – in Judaism, it is foundational and at its core; if it was indeed Ismael (as) their entire chosen narrative collapses. For us it’s…meh, whichever is fine; it’s the meaning and lesson of the sacrifice that is key.

    Peace.

  425. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Everything you say is correct. I have no answer for you.

    If you are satisfied with this, then be happy. Good luck.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  426. @EastKekistani

    Both of us are wrong as it seems, his name is Abul Hussam

  427. stevecel says:

    None of this is very interesting, a lot of belabored back and forth that is due to differences in first principles… It’s very simple, if you’ve ever taken an IQ test you will know that they are not very hard. It’s a matter of how fast you can do them and how much. At a certain point unless you are not really “trying” anyone who is actually intelligent will be able to do a good amount of them “correctly” because they start off as a progression. This is built into the test based on psychometric tradition. Obviously you have savants who can’t be bothered or somehow can’t comprehend the symbols but exhibit exceptional processing capabilities like specialized computer programs. Whether they are smart or not is a matter of definition – first principles again.

    The silly thing is to throw the IQ test out because you don’t understand it or are afraid of it. It tells you a lot because at the end of the day the world is built on mathematical principles. Obviously some unscrupulous people have built entire lives out of making the test out to be something it isn’t, which is an explanation for all of history. It’s not even close, because as I said before, it’s really rather simplistic stuff, the grown-up equivalent of the square peg and round hole, a little toy that becomes a tool in the minds of men. The problem comes of worshipping your tools, nobody puts the hammer on a pedestal or bows to the nail. You have some who make a joke of the square and whatnot, but they know what they are doing…

    Anyway, the point is that besides penis size, the IQ metric is probably one of the most scary ones for men’s’ egos, all of one’s potential and capabilities distilled into one round number – it’s terrifying for every one of us because we are nothing but thinking animals, with a mind attached to a body, tenuously and impermanently. The emotion is fear, the mind is suffering, the body is weak… In the natural realm the competition among animals is fierce… Divorce yourself from reality, and you may be able to understand.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  428. Okechukwu says:
    @Okechukwu

    Western sanctions and containment of Russia have so cratered its economy and collapsed the ruble that Moscow is no longer among the most expensive cities. Therefore as of 2019, Los Angeles is indeed more expensive than Moscow. But that wasn’t the case before, as for a long time Moscow was among the world’s most expensive cities, certainly more expensive than LA. As I recall, Karlin and I had this discussion about a year ago.

    This is explained by simple economics. Using the hotel industry as a barometer, if international businesspeople are no longer visiting Moscow as before (as everything Russian has become somewhat toxic), then room occupancy rates will decline, with a resultant decline in room rates. There is a domino effect to these things, which cascades through the entire value chain, putting downward pressure on prices.

  429. @Okechukwu

    When you have to use some vacation country, a small island with a population of 65K solely dependent on insurance/reinsurance, tourism, etc to prove a point, that’s when you know there isn’t anything else. 54% is black, 46 percent is other. 20 percent are non residents…Wow.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Bliss
  430. @AaronB

    I couldn’t really be dissatisfied because I know that I don’t want a comforting myth. Instead I want truth and truth alone.

    Case 1: There is no deity who gives a shit about humans

    In Case 1 humans are fucked due to aliens and AI. I don’t think humans will be able to compete with AI. Even if humans manage to not develop AI at all there are also aliens and I really don’t think humans, a species stuck in the solar system, has any chance in a war against any aliens capable of interstellar travel.

    Case 2: There exists at least one deity who cares about humans

    In Case 2 humans are still fucked because there is literally no way to figure out the right sect of the right religion among both existing human religions and maybe alien ones. So almost all humans will end up probably eternally punished by deities they are not even aware of for whatever reason.

    Conclusion: Humans are fucked.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  431. @Sparkon

    Many hotels in the West don’t have a room with the number 13 or even a 13th floor, because 13 is considered to be an “unlucky” number…

  432. anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    wwebd said —– (a) Criticism: citing to any source that claims Nepal, in any possible universe, has a country-wide IQ of 43, or 63, is not a good idea. I know a lot about Nepal and those claims are preposterous. 83 would be preposterously low too, for the record. Nepal, even today, is a lot like Renaissance Italy, in many ways that test givers don’t measure.

    (b) Not Criticism: I did not know you and Taleb were pals (or frenemies, as kids say these days????). Next time you see him ask him about Ron Paul, a dedicatee of his latest book, and ask him what he thinks about the Jew-hating stuff on the Ron Paul newsletters that Ron Paul, who was a 7-year-old American at the apogee of the Nazi Empire while my 27 year old American uncle was a POW in the Axis Empire, claims never to have read, even though the newsletters were published under his name; or ask him about the other dedicatee —- ask him about Ralph Nader’s life-long disinterest in criticizing his fellow Democratic party presidential candidates who, to a man, have never spoken out against the American abortion regime where 3 sub-Saharan babies are aborted for every one Caucasian baby. Sinister stuff, if you ask me.

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  433. @Timothy Madden

    To paraphrase the motto of Mossad… “By way of deception, thou shalt do debt.”

  434. @BengaliCanadianDude

    What’s even worse for his case is that Bermuda isn’t even a country. Instead it is a British territory. UK probably gives it a lot of gibs every year.

  435. @JosephB

    I believe you, in all honesty. These numbers are trash. I’m only in the comments because they are far better than the article, and because there is better discussion here

  436. Bliss says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Blacks have no excuse. They have invented nothing of any use or significance to mankind, zrro. Nil.Nada.

    GTFO you ignoramus. Historically, the most influential civilization of all was Ancient Egypt, which arose in ancient Nubia, in what is now the border region of modern Sudan and modern Egypt. Your holy Quran, and the Bible, are written in languages that arose in subsaharan Africa. There is no Judaism, Islam or Christianity without Ancient Egypt. There is no Ancient Greece without the far more ancient Egypt.

    By the way, you as a Bengali are black as well. Why do you think the part of Calcutta where Indians of all castes were segregated during British rule was called “Black Town” ?

  437. @David Becker

    It would be not only very interesting but also highly instructive to test the IQs of all the Central Bankers who can print money out of thin air. The person who invented compound interest must be the smartest guy ever in the history of the world. However, due to all the inbreeding over hundreds of years of the Rothschilds and that ilk, I bet none of the present-day masters of our universe have IQs approaching that of a “genius” — far from it. Janet Yellen is a case in point. But then again, if your family or tribe can print money out of thin air, how smart or creative do you really have to be to get ahead in life?

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  438. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    My point was that Tamil Nadu’s sympathies were with Tamils in Sri Lanka while Northern India’s were with Sinhalese because they were originally a Bengali people.

    Also, that the problem was yet another one of British creation.

    That is all.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  439. @Bliss

    Ancient Egypt was not black. LOL you can try all you want to claim that sweetheart, but it won’t be the case. Also, some Bengalis are extremely dark skinned, but none are negroid. But nice try though, YOu have given me the official “black nationalist” reply, that Egypt was all black. But keep trying. You can link that Senegalese founder of modern Afrocentrism, but truth is that’s all there is to it. Egypt was it’s own thing, and it was made by people who were not blacks. Sorry that hurt you. But you have created nothing at all.

  440. @Bliss

    Lads, here is your daily dose of afrocentric black nationalism. Enjoy the humour

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  441. @EastKekistani

    Fuji Chinese would seem to be the only merchants in China. Certainly the Manchu had military traditions and Han Chinese as well.

    Of course Fuji Chinese are going to be the merchants of Southeast Asia. And of course Malays have the same resentments towards them that Africans felt towards Gujarati.

    Outside of Southeast Asia, Fuji Chinese are not controlling entire economies. Definitely not the US, whose corporations and banks are already owned by Jews and Whites.

    Even in Singapore, the Indians have prevented Fuji Chinese (Much less Han) from completely controlling the economy to the extent they control the economy of the Philippines or Indonesia.

  442. @Bliss

    Historically, the most influential civilization of all was Ancient Egypt, which arose in ancient Nubia,

    What? Do you think the Levant did not actually exist? Moreover ancient Egypt was very non-black lmao. Even Nubia back then was fairly non-black.

    https://www.nature.com/news/mummy-dna-unravels-ancient-egyptians-ancestry-1.22069

    Your holy Quran, and the Bible, are written in languages that arose in subsaharan Africa.

    WHAT?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages

    That’s still unknown, dude.

    By the way, you as a Bengali are black as well.

    Bengalis aren’t African lmao. When does skin color matter?

  443. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    Chinese have been lording it over the Philippines since the Spanish left and the Southeast Asians there have yet to form mobs or pogrom them (To use a word the Jews came up with in Russia).

    This has only happened in Indonesia and Malaysia.

    Also, bear in mind that Chinese there are a small minority and it is possible for the Malays to do this. In Singapore, it is impossible.

    Chinese merchants, knowing they were outnumbered, always bribed police and politicians. It worked most of the time.

    As the small market dominant minority, they were not going to defeat a vast population. Impossible.

    In Singapore, where Indians have sometimes been regarded as a scourge and do not outnumber Chinese, the Chinese have fought them at times.

  444. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yeah. We were having nice discussions when this nonsense began again..

  445. @EastKekistani

    Chinese still resent Japan due to the war. Understandable, considering the extent of their crimes.

    Manchus were the warriors in China. It is why they took over China. But of course they were not exactly Chinese, being from Siberia somewhere.

    As for handling blacks, China seems to have a fairly peaceful and thriving African immigrant community. And those that sell drugs or prostitute end up in your prison system.

    As an American, my experience with Asian-Black relations has been that they are worst in LA between Koreans and Blacks. These two groups of people did not coexist at all peacefully when Korean merchants were in the black ghettos.

    And of course, the LA riots were a mini-pogrom of sorts.

  446. Bliss says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yeah wow indeed, black Bengali. Makes you look like a lying fool doesn’t it?

    Majority african Bermuda has an IQ of 93, Barbados which is 90% Afro-Caribbean has an IQ of 92, Bahamas, also overwhelmingly Afro-Caribbean, has an IQ of 87 and Haiti has an IQ of 84.

    Compare that to 74 for Bangladesh, 76 for India and wow just 60 for Nepal (which is the lowest in the world).

    Btw, it is very telling that Bermuda and Bahamas have, after Canada and US, the highest IQs in the entire American Continent.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  447. @jeff stryker

    Sinhalese because they were originally a Bengali people.

    That’s what I was asking about. Source?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @kelvin150
  448. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @stevecel

    Anyway, the point is that besides penis size, the IQ metric is probably one of the most scary ones for men’s’ egos, all of one’s potential and capabilities distilled into one round number – it’s terrifying for every one of us because …

    Terrifying because it’s bullshit to claim that IQ tests measure intelligence. And if you disagree, read my comment at #126 and then explain why an IQ test failed to identify physics Nobel Prize Winners, Feynman, Shockley and Alvarez as people of outstanding intellect, while the Terman study (which found Shockley and Alvarez wanting intellectually) identified as people of outstanding intelligence a bunch of kids among whom none did anything particularly brilliant, some of them ending up as janitors, carpenters and fishermen (all worthy occupations of course, but not heavy on intellectual content).

    In fact putting yourself in the hands of the IQists is like putting yourself in the hands of the mind police of the Fascist New World Ordure, whose job it is to ensure that everyone knows their place, and understands that IQ translates to wealth and therefore the Money Power, not the people, must now rule.

  449. @EastKekistani

    Bengalis aren’t African lmao

    Nothing wrong with being African, but rather SubsaharanAfrican. I respect the peoples of Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Morocco,etc. They despise black people far more than you and I could ever imagine. There was this one survey done, not many years ago, with this one question…”Would you allow your son/daughter to marry a black boy/girl”..In European countries, and North African countries. I would like to post the results, as soon as I see the link. But Every single European country had high “Yes” numbers, above the 50 percent mark and so on and so forth,with the former SSR republics with lower ratings, however…the ones that scored the least shocked me…..they scored single digits…..one percent to 5 percent said “YES” to that Question. And you know which region these people were from…..? That’s right….NORTH AFRICA

    These people have a desert that seperates them from the savages..and due to the proximity they share with their subhuman “neighbours”….they have gradually learned over time through media reports, through personal recounts and experiences that…. negroids……are not a good bunch. They have learned that it is best not to marry with them, or to associate with them….and so on and so forth.

    Regards

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  450. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    Moreover ancient Egypt was very non-black lmao. Even Nubia back then was fairly non-black.

    You are learning these lies from white supremacist sites, you servile chinese copycat. The ancient Egyptians had the all-african Haplogroup E which originated in subsaharan Africa. Their language originated in subsaharan Africa, their civilization originated in the Deep South, they were seen as akin to Nubians by the Greeks,they were never equated to Levantines or Arabs, etc etc.

    Perhaps you think Michelle Obama is also “very non-black” too? Lol. Since you are not blind it must be your brain that is screwed up. Get help. On the left is Queen Tiye wife of the Pharaoh Amenhotep III, mother of the Pharaoh Akhenaten, grandmother of the Pharaoh Tutankhamen. On the right is Michelle Obama wife of the 44th President of the United States, which is to the modern world what Egypt was to the Ancient World:

  451. @EastKekistani

    It’s not about skin colour, but it is about achievement. They will try to associate themselves with us, and act as if we are their own…so that they may use our achievements as their own. We saw it in action when our good negroid friend here tried to call ancient Egypt a “black” civilization.

    Regards

    • Replies: @Bliss
  452. @jeff stryker

    Africans felt towards Gujarati.

    God bless my granddad. Idi Amin was the best Africa could do. A bumbling ape who had the intelligence of a rock.

    What the hell is a fuji chinese?

    Regards

  453. @Tom Welsh

    Lawyers arent that smart IMO

    As if you have 164 IQ

    Seems like you might be making this up to discredit IQ

    Exceptions are not the norm.

    And your arguments have been dealt with before.You’ve also confirmed my earlier prediction that you were just making your cute little recount up to try to discredit it

  454. @Bliss

    Wrong,and fake. Why are you still propagating these false myths of yours?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUZP_BaZL94

    The pictures on the bottom of your first pics are also fake, and they dont match. It’s funny seeing you flair. Go on. Keep on holding on to something that has already been thoroughly debunked a billion times

  455. @Bliss

    These numbers dont match up with numbers from the past, and other commenters have pointed this out. Nepal is also not accurate, as others have said. These numbers don’t add up at all.

    bermuda is 54 percent “black” which itself is self reported, as many have significant Amerindian, Portuguese, White settler and other ancestry. It has not been broken down. Black is not the same. Where are your sources? Nothing to lie about actually, I’ve been very clear. You’re the brazen Afrocentrist here. Might just be projecting now…..

    No source..this one is false. Numbers don’t make sense at all. Even Lynn gave higher numbers. In fact, thes numbers are far too low/high to be taken seriously. But go on.

    Calling me a Black Bengali is funny because it is inaccurate, as my race is different to that of the blacks

  456. @Bliss

    You are learning these lies from white supremacist sites, you servile chinese copycat

    I’m a servile copycat?! Lol. To blacks apparently there are only whites, blacks and whites’ slaves lmao. Do blacks actually understand that there is a race known as NE Asians? Well apparently they don’t. Everything is about muh ebil YT.

  457. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Nothing wrong with being African, but rather SubsaharanAfrican.

    Of course.

    These people have a desert that separates them from the savages..and due to the proximity they share with their subhuman “neighbours”….they have gradually learned over time through media reports, through personal recounts and experiences that…. negroids……are not a good bunch. They have learned that it is best not to marry with them, or to associate with them….and so on and so forth.

    It’s not just the media. Blacks attempt to fuck up North Africa and are completely pwned by North Africans lol.

  458. @BengaliCanadianDude

    God bless my granddad. Idi Amin was the best Africa could do. A bumbling ape who had the intelligence of a rock.

    Yes, we need to #RememberIdiAmin. When we list the crimes of blacks against the rest of the world we should not forget Idi Amin’s chimpouts and how a few blacks attempt to ruin Guangzhou. Hell even Japan isn’t safe from blacks and their crimes. There is a small Nigerian community in Japan which is very criminal. So does the blacks in the USAF that taint the reputation of America by committing crimes in Japan.

    What the hell is a fuji chinese?

    Fujian Chinese. They are doing well.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  459. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    The Chinese merchant community of Southeast Asia are mostly from the Fujian Province, known colloquially as “Fuji” Chinese. Mostly around the port of Amoy.

    Cantonese did not get a foothold in Southeast Asia as merchants and few are Han Chinese. Northern Chinese are non-existent there.

    If you are from Windsor or Sarnia, just drive right across to Detroit. You don’t need to go all the way to Uganda to see how fast an Idi Amin will run a place right down the tubes.

  460. @jeff stryker

    Fujian Chinese would seem to be the only merchants in China. Certainly the Manchu had military traditions and Han Chinese as well.

    Not really. Cantonese, Hakkas, Wu-speakers.. Han Chinese traditionally really don’t emphasize on the military which is why we are fucked up by commies since commies were originally comparable to a cult that actually fought.

    Of course Fujian Chinese are going to be the merchants of Southeast Asia. And of course Malays have the same resentments towards them that Africans felt towards Gujarati.

    Cantonese and Hakkas too. Yep. These SEA natives just chimp out instead of doing anything to improve their situation…

    Outside of Southeast Asia, Fujian Chinese are not controlling entire economies. Definitely not the US, whose corporations and banks are already owned by Jews and Whites.

    We are also at work in Melanesia, Polynesia, Micronesia, Sub-Saharan Africa and other shitholes. This obviously does not apply to the West though because Jews and Whites are competent and have advantages in terms of old money & connections.

    Even in Singapore, the Indians have prevented Fuji Chinese (Much less Han) from completely controlling the economy to the extent they control the economy of the Philippines or Indonesia.

    Tamils definitely do well, yes. Though Singapore is obviously a Chinese-dominated country.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  461. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    Bengalis aren’t African lmao.

    Australian aborigines aren’t Africans either. Neither are Papuans or Andaman Islanders. But they are also called blacks. All south asians have ASI which is black. Why do you think bengalis and most other Indians have blackish skins?

    When does skin color matter?

    Lol, whadda brazen hypocrite. Why do you and other racists use the word ‘black’ then? Why do you think the British called the native Bengali part of Calcutta “Black Town” and the European part “White Town”?

    Btw, based on the few posts by you that I have read it is pretty obvious that you are suffering from a severe case of caucasian fetish. For example when you boast that if you were Muslim you would “belong” in Turkey or Iran. Lol. No you wouldn’t. As a chinaman you would belong in Indonesia or Malaysia if you were muslim. Are you ashamed to belong to the mongoloid race?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  462. @jeff stryker

    If you are from Windsor or Sarnia, just drive right across to Detroit. You don’t need to go all the way to Uganda to see how fast an Idi Amin will run a place right down the tubes.

    Hell. They are even causing trouble in Guangzhou, Tokyo and Okinawa. NE Asians tend to love cities which is why whenever we arrive at the West we tend to accidentally bump into a lot of blacks and get redpilled.

    I remember that fucking Mao had this retarded idea to build a railway (TAZARA) from Zambia to Tanzania for Sino-African friendship (WTF is that?!) for free. Then China tried to get some black “engineers” to come to Beijing and get trained by their Chinese counterparts (for free). Eventually we had to kick a large amount of these blacks out since they fucking couldn’t obey Chinese laws. When Chinese folks returned home these blacks began to steal stuff which forced Chinese workers to return to Africa just to keep the line running. Eventually the railway predictably broke down.

    That’s just only one project.. Blacks are beyond help.

  463. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    Sinhalese were derived from Orisso and Bengal in ancient times. Following Buddhisms persecution by Hindus, more Bengalis arrived there in the centuries to follow.

    I supposed you could look on Wikipedia. Or anywhere else. Personally I trust nothing on the internet because an idiot with a laptop and a penis to bang on it can upload anything.

    But this is common knowledge. Andaman Islanders lived in Sir Lanka before the Sinhalese, I should add.

    Again, common knowledge.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  464. Bliss says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    It’s not about skin colour, but it is about achievement.

    Lol. Now that I have shown you the mirror it is no longer about color. Good, you are learning.

    Deluded bozos like you look like servile, self-loathing suck ups when you try to join whites or yellows in black bashing. Much to their snickering amusement. But you are just too shameless and spineless to care.

    The ‘achievement’ that the IQists here value the most is per capita income. By that metric Bengalis everywhere rank significantly lower than Africans.

  465. @Bliss

    Australian aborigines aren’t Africans either. Neither are Papuans or Andaman Islanders. But they are also called blacks. All south asians have ASI which is black. Why do you think bengalis and most other Indians have blackish skins?

    Lmao. I don’t call Australoids black.

    For example when you boast that if you were Muslim you would “belong” in Turkey or Iran. Lol. No you wouldn’t. As a chinaman you would belong in Indonesia or Malaysia if you were muslim. Are you ashamed to belong to the mongoloid race?

    I’m not, lol. You don’t even understand my POV. I contrast the scholars in Iran with warriors in Bedouin tribes. It is about seasons of civilization. Early civilization – warriors, late civilization – scholars & merchants. Both China and Iran are late civilizations. Same for many Hindu groups, Italians, Greeks and Jews. You obviously can not get it because blacks and civilization don’t mix.

    As for Indonesia and Malaysia they are just like you blacks but they are indeed better. Hell do you even know about Central Asians, Uyghurs and Hui Muslims / Dungans? There are NE Asian and semi-NE Asian Muslim groups. But as usual you know nothing about them.. We have nothing to do with SE Asians. Seriously..

    Not everything is about whites. Lol. Definitely not in NE Asia. We have top level scientific research, satellites, one space station, lots of high-speed railways, lots of skyscrapers…. We build our own stuff instead of relying on white gibs.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  466. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    I read some horrifying figure about a Guangzhou sweep of African prostitutes and illegals that many were HIV positive and that their Guangzhou African district was the AIDS vector to China.

    As for Fujian in Southeast Asia, one has to admire Henry Sy arriving as an orphan in Philippines and building SM.

    Not everything the Fujian Chinese have done in Southeast Asia is positive. They created the meth problem there. They exploit the poor Malays mercilessly. They cheat and are dishonest.

    However, I’ve talked to Chinese-Filipinos and like the Chinese on this board, they all say that if Chinese did not run the economy the country would have no economy at all.

  467. @MAOWASAYALI

    The banking swindle is actually very simple. You don’t have to be a “genius” to invent it.
    Print money and pretend that you have created “value”, then lend that “value paper” to the government at interest. Then the government has to tax its subjects in order to “repay” the principal + interest. Result : the banker becomes immensely rich without working. Simple! What you do need to maintain this simple swindle is shamelesness. And what is the Jiddish term for shamelesness again? Right : chutzpah !

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  468. @Bliss

    Deluded bozos like you look like servile, self-loathing suck ups when you try to join whites or yellows in black bashing.

    I need to inform you black fuckers that we NE Asians are a third group who are neither white nor POC.

    We don’t give a shit about how anyone think about us because we are doing well and have enough nukes and maybe even ethnobioweapons to deter any genocide attempt. Yes I’m serious when I say “ethnobioweapons” because Chinese companies do own genetic information of whites. Maybe (actually likely) so do the Japanese as well. China and North Korea have nukes. Japan pretty much has nukes.

    Don’t mess with us for we used to live in environments that were even harsher than Europe but still managed to survive and thrive. We are conflict-averse and are a lot more patient than even whites but when we can not stand your BS any more and have to fight back you will suffer in a way a lot worse than what first Arabs and then whites did to you. Don’t force us to do so.

  469. EAST

    Uyghur are Turks.

    By the way, your Chinese contempt for “Malays” is showing. You wonder why they rise up in Indonesia and Malaysia every generation or so and massacre the Chinese merchants. It is because you cannot disguise your contempt towards them even when they buy your cheap imports and create billionaires like Henry Sy out of poor Fujian orphans that would have been beggars if they stayed in China.

    Jews probably feel the same way deep down about other Caucasians BUT they can hide these private opinions towards non-Jewish whites behind nationalism, a common cultural identity, media manipulation.

    You Chinese are so left-brained you lack the verbosity to do this. You just show up in Indonesia or Philippines as an arrogant alien race with innate contempt for Malays and then you wonder why they massacre you every so often.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Bliss
  470. @jeff stryker

    I read some horrifying figure about a Guangzhou sweep of African prostitutes and illegals that many were HIV positive and that their Guangzhou African district was the AIDS vector to China.

    Yep. Blacks are just sources of trouble. They rob us, rape our women, spread HIV and tear up their passports so that China does not know which SSA country to deport them to.

    As for Fujian in Southeast Asia, one has to admire Henry Sy arriving as an orphan in Philippines and building SM.

    Yep. 🙂

    Not everything the Fujian Chinese have done in Southeast Asia is positive. They created the meth problem there. They exploit the poor Malays mercilessly. They cheat and are dishonest.

    That really depends on what “exploit” means. If your males don’t like to work and spend your (sister’s) last peso in a Chinese-owned store then it is your problem.

    Of course cheating is rampant. We don’t have a military tradition so basically we do what Jews do. I don’t deny that.

    However, I’ve talked to Chinese-Filipinos and like the Chinese on this board, they all say that if Chinese did not run the economy the country would have no economy at all.

    I won’t say that they would have no economy at all. However if they get rid of the Chinese their country will be run by Anglos, Japanese, Jews, Tamils or whoever else enters the Philippines next. The effect of such removal won’t be too different from decolonization. If whites are out of some shithole NE Asians and Indians are in and will take over the ecological niche whites once occupied. The lives of natives will just continue to suck. It’s just that simple.

    If they really want to fix the Philippines (or Malaysia) they have to make their natives competitive at any cost (e.g. nootropics, social engineering, deworming etc). If this can work then there will be no Jewish/Chinese/Gujarati/Lebanese Problem. Instead maybe blacks will begin to complain about a Filipino/Malay Problem. If this can not work then such “problems” will persist.

  471. Bliss says:

    Cambodia is another interesting case. It has a higher IQ (100) than the great majority of European countries and all the countries in the Americas except Canada which is tied with Cambodia at 100.

    Yet Cambodia has one of the lowest, if not the very lowest per capita income in Southeast Asia, at $1550.

    On the other hand Cambodia was once home to the most magnificent civilization in East and Southeast Asia:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Empire

    The majestic monuments of Angkor, such as Angkor Wat and Bayon, bear testimony to the Khmer Empire’s immense power and wealth, impressive art and culture, architectural technique, aesthetics achievements, and the variety of belief systems that it patronised over time. Satellite imaging has revealed that Angkor, during its peak in the 11th to 13th centuries, was the largest pre-industrial urban centre in the world.

    Btw, the hindu Khmer civilization of Cambodia most likely explains the mystery of hindu influence in Japan. India was too far away, but hinduized Cambodia was not. The hindu gods and goddesses of Shintoism, the rituals, the divinity of the Emperor, the austronesian looks of the royal dynasty etc reveal the influence of Cambodian civilization on Japan. As does the fact that many Japanese settled there. From the link above:

    Inscriptions from the 17th century testify to Japanese settlements alongside those of the remaining Khmer. The best-known inscription tells of Ukondayu Kazufusa, who celebrated the Khmer New Year there in 1632.

    Cambodians:

  472. @jeff stryker

    By the way, your Chinese contempt for “Malays” is showing. You wonder why they rise up in Indonesia and Malaysia every generation or so and massacre the Chinese merchants. It is because you cannot disguise your contempt towards them even when they buy your cheap imports and create billionaires like Henry Sy out of poor Fujian orphans that would have been beggars if they stayed in China.

    You are right. We do need to be more subtle.

    Jews probably feel the same way deep down about other Caucasians BUT they can hide these private opinions towards non-Jewish whites behind nationalism, a common cultural identity, media manipulation.

    This is really what NE Asians should have been doing in SE Asia. Unfortunately we don’t seem to have the chutzpah to culturally fuck up SE Asia forever.

    You Chinese are so left-brained you lack the verbosity to do this. You just show up in Indonesia or Philippines as an arrogant alien race with innate contempt for Malays and then you wonder why they massacre you every so often.

    Yeah. Same for Solomon Islands, Fiji, Samoa, etc..

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  473. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Thompson

    Fair enough. I guess Becker pegs the world standard deviation at 13.43. I’m still rather surprised he doesn’t have SDs for individual countries on hand. If the countries with low IQs also happen to have low standard deviations, it just makes these numbers that much harder to take seriously, imo.

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  474. @Bliss

    You use black Africans as a metric. But then you seperate Bengalis. Ok. First off, Indians have the highest income per capita in the US amonst all ethnic groups, full stop. This is relevant as we are by far the majority of the population. Also, academics science and cicilization is held to a great esteem, and you are trying to change things around, putting words in our mouths. Scientific contribution ans achievement is greatly valued. Also, blacks make the lowest money per capita in the USA, lower than everybody else. They also have the highest crime rates, and welfare usage rates. 13 percent uses 39 percent of the welfare, while they make up more than half of all violent crime stats. You made it about colour when you said Africans. Also, Black Africans themselves have a higher usage of welfare than that of South Asian households. Blacks and/or African Americans make 38K a year. Why I have to defend Bangladeshis IDEK, but they make about 47k similar to that of the Pakistanis. The South Asian GDP per capita is also far greater than that of blacks, adding to the fact that Sri Lankans make about 75K yearly. To top it off, there are reasons for the “low” achievement, which is funny, as they still do better than the blacks. But I’ll get to that another day. Too much information for your feeble negroid mind. I’ll continue. South Asians also use welfare at rates far lower than those coming from the Carribean. Nepalis if they are to be included, earn 62+ K yearly. Bangladeshis also make more than blacks in general. Funny how things always seem to fall into place. They also do better tthan a significant portion of Latinos, beating PuertoRicans, Mexicans and Dominicans by a solid margin. These three groups make up the vast majority of Latinos. They perform slightly similar but do better as I just explained, because of the population makeup. If you want to make it about colour(which you did) boy oh boy… it’s funny to see you use AFRICAN to refer to Blacks yet then you don’t follow that same logic to then refer to them as Bengalis. Which is funny, as there are sooooo many Bengalis amongst the Indian community. Must feel pretty bad knowing that the worst of the South Asian community BANGLADESHIS( through many things explained later) still do sognificantly better than blacks? Has this not drilled the theme of inferiority info your negroid mind? When will you learn, Papio, that you guys(blacks) are incapable and just not up to it?

  475. @EastKekistani

    “Don’t emphasize military”

    That is why some Siberian horseman known as Manchus from Russia or Korea took over China from the Han population and appointed themselves the rulers of China.

    “Cantonese too”

    Cantonese are nobody in the Philippines. In fact they are almost as poor as Filipinos. Any Chinese-Filipino who is anybody is from Amoy. I know this because I worked in Cebu with Chinese-Filipinos and my mistress was a Chinese-Filipino. I’m probably more familiar with the history of Chinese Filipinos than the average mainland Chinese person.

    “SEA Natives chimp out”

    I’m somewhat sympathetic to their position. They have no chance. They are generally lethargic due to blood sugar levels and cannot make it through a workday without sleeping for 3 hours after lunch; they are drunkards who are prone to addiction and the Chinese callously exploited this by turning them into hopeless methamphetamine addicts; the women are promiscuous and they are hyper-sexual, hyper-fertile; they are compulsive liars and thieves so their society has no “Social credit” like Chinese or Jews or British because none of them can trust one another; they are prone to corruption so the politicians rob them blind and the police only care about shaking down older Australian and American pedophiles.

    Malays are one of the most screwed races on earth. They do a little better in America where the Chinese or Spanish half-breeds cannot run rampant over them.

    “This does not apply to the West”

    Any white American who is pissed off that Jews and Irish-Catholics run the US should visit Philippines and then he would be kissing the feet of Jews at his nearest Jewish temple.

    If Fujian Chinese took over the US meth labs would be bubbling ominously on every corner; unions would be outlawed; minimum wage would plummet; people would squat everywhere homeless; politicians would be bought and sold like candy in a bag.

    “Singapore”

    Some Chinese Singaporeans have accused the US of fiddling with their immigration laws so that a significant Indian population prevents the Chinese from possessing a vassal state outside Mainland China.

    It could be true.

    However, Indians tend to diffuse some of the rage that Malays feel in Indonesia and Malaysia towards Chinese.

    However, I think we will see more Indonesia’s in New Guinea or definitely Africa as time goes on and Fujians really seize the economy. Unlike Jews, who can hide their arrogance and sense of superiority and disguise being an alien race, Chinese are really unable to do this.

  476. @EastKekistani

    There is no such thing as a Lebanese or Gujarati problem, at least not yet. Is this a reference to Gujarati Ismailis, and Gujarati Muslims being market dominating minorities, along with the Lebanese Maronite and Orthodox communities? If so, it is an unfounded fear based on irrationalities. I think Malaysia is fine, one of the better SE countries. More GDP ppp per capita then China by a long shot, higher nominal too. They need to keep things they way they are, so all of them can prosper, “them” being Indians(90% of whom are Tamil), Chinese Malaysian(you probably know the ethnic breakdown), and Malay. The guy we replied to has no clue. There are also Tatars, Turkmen, etc..The more our negroid friend writes, the more he displays his <90 IQ. I will paraphrase…if people think you're an idiot..best to keep your mouth ahut hen to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    Regards and best woshes to Guangzhou

  477. @EastKekistani

    From your link about the DNA of ancient Egyptian mummies :

    “…Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.

    The researchers say that there was probably a pulse of sub-Saharan African DNA into Egypt roughly 700 years ago. The mixing of ancient Egyptians and Africans from further south means that modern Egyptians can trace 8% more of their ancestry to sub-Saharan Africans than can the mummies from Abusir el-M…”

    In short, Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians and only recently mixed with Negroids.

    • Agree: AnonFromTN
  478. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    You obviously can not get it because blacks and civilization don’t mix.

    Too funny. Black africans were building this a couple thousand years before there was a civilization in China:

    We have nothing to do with SE Asians. Seriously..

    SE Asians are the closest relatives of the Han Chinese. Seriously…

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
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  479. @EastKekistani

    You are a pretty ok guy. You should have joined this site earlier. Tell this guy what he needs to know about Asians(ALL ASIANS).

    I truly do admire they way the Arabs handled blacks in the past, castrating them, killing them, enslaving them, sterilizing them, and the whole shebang. Necessary evil. If they had not done things their way….we’d have an even bigger Black problem

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  480. @jeff stryker

    Well, here are what I would do if I were the (Austronesian) President of the Philippines for example:

    1. All Spaniards, white American, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans in the Philippines can only marry native Austronesian Filipinos.

    This is based on a real Paraguayan policy aimed at preventing the emergence of a white overclass.

    2. Mandatory vaccination, nootropics, micronutrient pills and deworming first among kids and then the entire population.

    This improves phenotypical IQ.

    3. Import the education system from Singapore.

    For a country as undeveloped as the Philippines creativity is a lesser problem. Getting results ASAP is necessary.

    If things actually improve to at least the level of Vietnam rote learning will be phased out and an Anglo system will be used instead.

    4. Maximize the amount of foreign aid to the Philippines.

    Get along with America, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in order to ask for gibs. Ask UN, World Bank, IMF etc for gibs too. Have good relations with China too if possible again for gibs. Commies are actually fairly willing to offer gibs. 2 and 3 especially 2 require a lot of money to work so there is need for a lot of aid at least in the beginning.

    Later aid will be rejected to achieve self-sufficiency.

    5. Restrict foreign ownership of crucial industries.

    Enough said. When you temporarily can’t compete with foreigners you need protectionism.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  481. @Bliss

    It would be nice…if those achievements were even yours…

    Which they aren’t…

    It’s entertaining seeing the desperate and pathetic attempts made by negroes like you trying to take the achievements of others as your own.

    We all see through it, Papio

  482. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    An American view of Chinese-Malay tensions in Philippines.

    1. Most Fujian Chinese despise homosexuals and a good number of Filipino males are gay. Homosexuality is celebrated by Malays.

    I knew a Chinese-Filipino actor who was really pretty good. But a Filipino director came on to him and he went berserk in the studio office and started beating him up. Of course, he went on to become a prosperous Cebu businessman. I won’t give his name.

    2. Blood sugar levels and biochemical lethargy. Malays seem to be less energetic and “crash” after every meal. They eat lunch and then have to sleep for 3 hours. Many are diabetic. They seem lethargic in a biochemical sense. Chinese-Filipinos seem more physically energetic.

    3. Addiction. Malays seem to be prone to addiction. Many are drunkards. Gambling addicts. And of course, meth addicts.

    4. Promiscuity. There is no family unit or filial piety with Malays because the women are promiscuous and prone to prostitution. Some moral compass does not exist with Malay women. So single mothers are pandemic.

    5. Social trust/Corruption. Malays steal and lie. So unlike Americans or Chinese or Jews, no social credit can exist because they cannot trust one another and ripping another Malay off is greatly admired among them. By their cultural standards, lying is a form of domination and control by which manhood is established.

    6. White exploitation. Needless to say Philippine casinos are owned by American and European whites. Brits or Jews, in the main. Why? Because Chinese-Filipinos will gamble away their money there. So whites are also exploitative. We are aware that Chinese superstition regarding luck allows us to callously exploit Chinese through casinos and gaming.

    Whites also own the girly bars (Including me, previously). Chinese-Filipinos won’t touch this business, feeling it is completely amoral. Whites of course, are not only sex tourism members…they’re also the CEO’s. Unlike Chinese-Filipinos, they do not come to the Philippines with their families which keeps the worst aspects of male colonial behavior held in check.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  483. @jeff stryker

    Are these “Fujis” China’s own version of Gujarati Ismailis?

  484. @jeff stryker

    You cant hide behind the guise of “common knowledge”. Come. ON.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  485. Bliss says:
    @jeff stryker

    By the way, your Chinese contempt for “Malays” is showing. You wonder why they rise up in Indonesia and Malaysia every generation or so and massacre the Chinese merchants. It is because you cannot disguise your contempt towards them even when they buy your cheap imports and create billionaires like Henry Sy out of poor Fujian orphans that would have been beggars if they stayed in China………..You just show up in Indonesia or Philippines as an arrogant alien race with innate contempt for Malays and then you wonder why they massacre you every so often.

    True dat.

    The pompous preening of this pathetic little prick and his ilk could be the prelude to another pogrom. In Africa this time.

    Speaking of pogroms, the worst mass lynching in American history was of the Chinese in Los Angeles in 1871. It wasn’t blacks or malays who slaughtered Chinese then, it was white anglos and mexicans.

  486. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    Every casino in the Philippines more or less is owned by Jews or British shareholders. Why? Because whites want to skin off Chinese-Filipino productivity by exploiting your belief in luck and propensity to gamble.

    While the Chinese merchants at least DO SOMETHING (Give Malays jobs, build infrastructure, keep military dictators like Marcos out of office) the whites simply open casinos where Fujian Chinese will gamble their money away.

    And you can be sure some Jewish American or European will open a casino in Melanesia or New Guinea pretty soon too.

    Also, whites run the sex industry in the Philippines. Point blank. It is a business that Chinese cannot enter because they came to the Philippines as family men.

    I know this because I co-owned a girly bar.

    What is my point? Whites are no angels in Southeast Asia.

    Of course Chinese-Filipinos who have had to send their son to rehab after he gambled away their pharmacy (Yes, this happened to a Chinese family I knew) cannot rise up and massacre Jewish and white casino shareholders in New York or LA somewhere.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  487. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    1. Chinese-Filipinos don’t own the girly bar business in the Philippines (I was in it) because they are family people. It is run by whites, with Germans specializing (Needless to say) in underage bar girls.

    Getting whites and Chinese to marry local women would be impossible. However, Spanish unlike Chinese-Filipinos tended towards concubinage while married to Spanish wives. Hence their Filipino mistresses children inherited the land when they returned to Spain and today are the land-owning elite of the Philippines.

    Pil-Ams are mostly abandoned. I’ve seen this a million times in the Philippines. An American deadbeat goes there, starts a family and then his bar or restaurant or money-lending business fails. He leaves them. They never hear from him again.

    2. Yes, this would be a good idea.

    3. Yes, true. In point of fact schools in the Philippines are underfunded but not as dangerous as public schools in US cities because there are no blacks or Mestizos.

    4. Foreign AID? The Filipino politicians steal all of it like Marcos did. If you wish for the Chinese to contribute, fine. It will buy some politician a house for his mistress. Malays/Austronesian cannot control these base impulses. They have a high-time preference.

    5. Restrict foreign ownership. Chinese-Filipinos are citizens, so this is impossible. I assure you the casinos where they gamble will continue to be owned by whites. And girly bars just employ to many women to be banned.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  488. @jeff stryker

    I remember that scene in the movie, probably because I saw it 2 months ago. It was over the top acting, with an overwrought musical score by Quincy Jones, who I only recently discovered is a freemason — a Boule from Chicago. That would certainly explain his stellar career and his many big bags of shekels… but I digress, though I think a strong case can be made that membership in secret societies and selling your soul to the devil is a much better predictor of success than IQ.  

    E. Micheal Jones claims that the Pawnbroker, the first movie to show a woman’s breasts, opened the floodgates for Jewish pornography and its normalization. Shrewdly, the Jews argued that it was cinéma vérité and a homage to the victims of the Holocaust. (Steiger plays a Jewish pawnbroker in New York who survived the Holocaust. What a surprise?)

    However, the actual scene of the naked woman — a ghetto negress in need of quick cash for a drug fix goes into the pawn shop, exposes her breasts and propositions the pawnbroker — had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

    Of course, no one dared complain about the negress and her gratuitous tits for fear of the Jews and their cries of antisemitism.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  489. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    The harshest parts of China were the Western deserts and Uyghurs were never much of a lot.

    Actually, you’re wrong. Han civilization began early because you were not living in tortuous malarial jungles or frigid wastelands. Same reason Greece and Rome developed before Finland.

    Chinese navigators actually interacted with East African traders fairly peacefully. No, you did not run around jungles with nets like Brits literally trying to steal black people.

    AIDS is an ethnobio weapon in itself. Blacks evolved some resistance to malaria which gives them greater susceptibility to HIV. As I mentioned, when Chinese rounded up the Nigerian prostitutes in Guangzhou some RIDICULOUS percentage were HIV positive. Same with African drug dealers who are tested for AIDS going into Chinese prisons. A high number have AIDS.

    I have to wonder which madman of any race would have unprotected sex with an African prostitute? Any Chinese man who is going into the African district of Guangzhou to have sex with black street hookers is mad, mad, mad.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  490. @James Thompson

    Hello, thanks for the links, which I will follow up on and read. I was writing a bit in shorthand and lazily when I wrote that above a certain level (and I had no idea that there is an accepted such level) IQ was not very predictive. I think that I have seen rsquared of o.65 and higher.. I suppose that if one were to state it as a set theory, one could say that there is no set of persons with an IQ of 140 which do not include prize winners in Physics, Fields Medalists etc. Thus, IQ will closely but imperfectly correlate, and it is necessary but not sufficient?
    I also need to look up the response to my analysis of the Judge’s holding; I crunched numbers on Wall St a long time ago, but I did not quite follow the reading and the other reference. One percent per month, if there is no reinvestment, and so the early payment of interest by the borrower carries no time value benefit to the lender, is still only 12 percent per year… but I may be missing something, so I’ll read up a bit to see… anyhow, thanks for the links.

    • Replies: @Semperluctor
  491. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    Well the Chinese could do what Indians do to Africans in India or what Bengali do in London.

    Dole out barbaric, every-bone-in-the-body broken, three months in the hospital beatings to blacks who are caught selling drugs or even being loud.

    It seems to work. Jamaicans are not selling weed in Brampton any longer. Africans decided Calcutta was not the best place to set up shop after Bengali groups of men publicly beat the shit out of them. I even read that migrant Indian prostitutes ganged up on African hookers and beat them up for stealing customers in the Mumbai’s red light district.

    Bengali being artistic seemed to bring a furious creative inventiveness to beating African loudmouths. There was one article I read stating that they stripped one nude and smeared his genitals with Deep Heat in the Calcutta market for hassling some local Desi girl.

    Africans seemed to get with the program in India and cleared out, though the media did portray you as racist.

    But Indians, god bless them, have never really given a shit what Goras thought of them.

  492. Bliss says:
    @Juchen

    The highest paid robotics engineer is Nigerian, Silas Adekunle

    This guy looks like a model for the future: brains and brawn, creativity and athleticism

    African creativity is legendary since ancient times and it will be fun to see it applied to 21st century technology. Adekunle has taken robotic movement to a level that could not be achieved by anyone else:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=79&v=eZvws_XGsfw

    • Replies: @Bliss
  493. @anonymous

    Well, Jensen’s summary of African-American test results was sd 13. It would be good to see if more recent figures bear this out. My view is that I can perfectly understand how deleterious social conditions, lack of access to resources, race-based prohibitions and restrictions and so on could push down intelligence means, but don’t see how it would narrow standard deviations, because these unfavourable conditions would be pushing UP the lower scoring people, which doesn’t immediately make sense.

    • Replies: @res
  494. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Does chutzpah trump IQ then? Is this why Jews are so rich and powerful, because of their chutzpah?

    Do they feel no shame or guilt for doing bad deeds and scamming the goys? Apparently not, not if they value chutzpah

    Ironically, their chutzpah and financial scams don’t work as well in sub-70 IQ Africa, so maybe Blacks aren’t as dumb as we think they are. LOL

  495. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    The main reason why we don’t have global racial peace today is the existence of blacks.

    That is proof of your ignorance and your stupidity.

    History tells us that whites and yellows are their own worst enemies, and the biggest threats to each other as well. Just look at WWI and WWII. A hundred million or so killed in less than a decade, overwhelmingly Europeans and East Asians. WWIII won’t be against Africa either.

    • Agree: Franklin Ryckaert
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  496. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    Yes I’m serious when I say “ethnobioweapons” because Chinese companies do own genetic information of whites. Maybe (actually likely) so do the Japanese as well. China and North Korea have nukes. Japan pretty much has nukes.

    Now the truth comes out with a threat of genocide via “ethnobioweapons”. All that talk of racial harmony with Caucasians was just smokescreen.

    Listen up you little psycho megalomaniac, the whites have your genetic information as well. You being more homogeneous will be more vulnerable if such a war, God forbid, takes place.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  497. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @David Becker

    In fact, it would be tremendously gratifying if a new wave of Raven’s test standardization were carried out worldwide whereby the FE-corrections would become obsolete.

    It would be absolutely necessary since Flynn Effect is unreliable at best. As it stands, I have no idea how they calibrated verbal IQ in vastly different languages/vocabularies and why would any IQ test even contain a verbal component since it’s reliant on language/vocabulary which are, again, reliant on education levels (not g).

  498. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    Bermuda is comparable to richer Caribbean states that exclusively depend on tourism and offshoring. Yes, of course they are stable and do keep tourist destinations safe.. That’s it.

    Unfortunately, that “safety’ is usually limited to smaller, well-trodden and well policed tourist areas in the Caribbean. Tourists are often advised to remain there. As a matter of fact, the situation is so bad that many Cruise Line companies have decided to buy private islands in the area and create their own, truly safe, bubbles.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  499. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I read about it in Lonely Planet. Also Wikipedia.

    The Sinhalese came from the Bay of Bengal but nobody seems to know exactly where.

    Andaman Islanders were in Sri Lanka first and it is possible that ancient Tamil sailors might have known of the island previously as well. I’ve been told that by Tamil Nadu and it is plausible.

    The Sinhalese are Buddhist which suggests the settlement could have been the result of Hindu persecution.

  500. @MAOWASAYALI

    The scene with the prostitute is not unrealistic; I am from Detroit and was a young man during the worst years of the crack epidemic when crack whores (These were Polish and Hillbilly women from the South not black) would ply their wares with underage boys 15 around the Warren (Detroit suburb) high school.

    Steiger was ironically German Catholic in real life. He also played the comically distressed Irish-Catholic priest in AMITYVILLE.

    It has been said that he was stinking drunk in every single scene of every film he ever did, as he would stay up all night getting wasted before he went on camera.

    • Replies: @MAOWASAYALI
  501. @Bliss

    BLISS

    It was Irish immigrants in California who did that in competition with Chinese for jobs, mostly on the railroad.

    We see the same animosity towards Ibo merchants in Guangzhou in China and in NYC with Italian-Americans. Ibo merchants are shrewd business people but arrogant and as shopkeepers they often treat the locals like shit.

    As a result, every so often the Italian-Americans get tired of Ibo owning half the stores in their districts and treating them like shit. So there is a burnout.

    Same thing happened to the Koreans in LA.

    Its always the same whether Ibo in Italian-American neighborhoods or Chinese in Southeast Asia. Some alien race of merchants takes over the economy and uses their money to bribe political influence while behaving with undisguised contempt to the locals.

    Then there is a riot over some other matter or political disruption like Indonesia or in the case of Italian-Americans they just get tired of Ibo shopkeepers treating them with complete contempt while taking their money…then there is a burnout.

  502. @AaronB

    I agree. And for what it’s worth, here is my best summary of process:

    1. Humans are highly cogno-linguistic. We perceive reality very largely by the language that we use to describe it. Most everyone inherently believes and presumes that you have to be able to think something before you can say it. The greater reality is that, above a certain base level of perception and communication, you have to have the words and language by which to say something before you can think it.

    2. The world is ever-increasingly controlled and administered by people who genuinely believe whatever is necessary for the answer they need. Administrative agents of the entrenched-money-power have solved the criminal-law enigma of mens rea or guilty mind by evolving or devolving (take your pick) into professional schizophrenics who genuinely believe whatever they need to believe for the answer they need, and who communicate among themselves subconsciously by how they name things, and by how things are named for them. They suffer a cogno-linguistically-induced diminished capacity that renders them incapable of perceiving reality beyond labels.

    3. Their core business model or modus operandi is the systematized delusion:

    “A “systematized delusion” is one based on a false premise, pursued by a logical process of reasoning to an insane conclusion ; there being one central delusion, around which other aberrations of the mind converge.” Taylor v. McClintock, 112 S.W. 405, 412, 87 Ark. 243. (West’s Judicial Words and Phrases (1914)).

  503. @Bliss

    Do you know what “peace through strength” is? Does America possess nuclear weapons for the sake of exterminating Russians?

    If a state or a race don’t have enough WMDs it is just easy to exterminate. We are strong enough to be targets of extermination attempts which is why we need the best WMDs for defensive purposes.

    Blacks can not understand nuclear peace (or ethnobioweapon peace). I’m not surprised.

  504. @Bliss

    I only care about what’s good for myself and for my race. This requires an alliance with or at least neutrality with whites & Indians & Pakistanis in potential global race wars.

    Blacks can not understand strategy or interests. Instead your kind can only react emotionally.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  505. @Anonymous

    Yep. That’s because these countries are black.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  506. @Bliss

    That’s exactly what I’m trying my best to prevent. Such a race war will cause billions of deaths and maybe even the complete destruction of humanity.

    Interests. Do blacks understand what this means?

  507. @jeff stryker

    Well, thankfully I don’t gamble. Gambling is very idiotic.

    It’s a world where high-IQ races pwn low-IQ ones. Yes and that can not change. The main thing I care about is for high-IQ races to have peace so that we can continue to dominate low-IQ ones..

    Seriously it seems that Malays are screwed in a manner I previously thought wasn’t even possible. What’s up with the lethargy? Do they have a lot of worms?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  508. @jeff stryker

    Are you joking? Igbos aren’t that powerful outside Nigeria at all.

  509. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    Here’s a couple more young geniuses (male and female) of african ancestry doing creative cutting edge work in robotics, like Adekunle they too are extremely well-rounded, non-aspergy, happy and healthy with very high STEM IQ, Verbal IQ, Social IQ, Emotional IQ and Athletic IQ:

    https://events.technologyreview.com/video/watch/jonas-cleveland-cosy-innovator/

    https://events.technologyreview.com/video/watch/muyinatu-bell-johns-hopkins-innovator/

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  510. @jeff stryker

    This is why things won’t ever work out for them. A racially NE Asian leader in their shoes will more or less develop similar ideas but as Austronesians they just can not.

    I’m actually very serious about 1 because the only way for low-IQ, high time preference tribes not to be dominated is to expel all high-IQ racial foreigners except for tourists and the intermarried. High-IQ foreigners obviously won’t voluntarily assimilate into a low-IQ culture which is why forces have to be applied. Their money and good genes will belong to the currently lower-IQ nation.

    Libertarianism is good..but only when you are strong. So it is not for lower-IQ tribes. When wolves and sheep are both free sheep will just be eaten.

    As for 3 maybe Austronesian kids just don’t like studying due to high time preferences. But maybe nope because the Malays in America and Canada aren’t terminally school-phobic. Here obviously Malays need to scream that they are actually East Asian and that NE Asians and SE Asians are one race so that maybe they will somehow feel that they should do as great as Japanese people. As usual collective identities only help below average members and actually harm above average ones whenever there is no war based on the said identities.

    As for 4 if they don’t even have enough self-control to build some bridges to connect their islands or implement 2 there is nothing I can say.

    As for 5 I obviously do not consider citizenship to be important. Only ethnicity is. A foreigner is defined as a racial foreigner, not someone who does not have a Filipino passport. Laws in an ethnostate should exist to serve racial interests. Hence laws against contemporary racial interests just need to be amended or repealed.

  511. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    This is true. Europeans can probably be credited with having the least amount of restraint and responsibility in this respect. Chinese in Southeast Asia do not ENSLAVE anyone. They are merely merchants. And they would argue that if Filipinos did not work for them they would have no jobs period (Though Malay women often find an 80 year old German or American and being his wife becomes her job).

    Chinese did commit some crimes against Austronesian people in Taiwan. But nothing like whites in America or Australia who shot indigenous people.

    Whites have pushed Opium on Chinese and Chinese have pushed heroin on whites. Neither group is innocent.

  512. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    Conclusion: Humans are fucked.

    Nah, it’s just you and your fellow atheists who are fucked.

    Belief in a “comforting myth” is superior to belief in atheism. For a comforted mind is a calm mind. And a calm mind is a necessary pre-condition to a detached mind. And a detached mind leads directly to God, who is the Pure Consciousness within us all.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  513. @Bliss

    Be gone. Your race is sufficiently unimportant that nobody will even bother to genocide you.

  514. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    Pretty much. That same channel listed the safest cruise ship harbours and, predictably, they were in northern Europe and Japan. That said, northern Europe is in the process of becoming vibrant so it’s only a matter of time before it runs out of safe harbour cities or towns. Welcome to Ghetto World and don’t forget to thank the Merchant Guild.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  515. @David Becker

    Taleb once again attacked you and your academic qualifications on his twitter account.

    and further stuff:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @utu
    , @David Becker
  516. @Bliss

    >This black dude did not even read about me being agnostic, not atheist.

    OK.

  517. While it may be true that Nigeria has higher Nominal per capita GDP than India, for some reason, it is not painting a true picture. Last year, for example, Nigeria overtook India in terms of extreme poverty ranking:
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/africa/nigeria-overtakes-india-extreme-poverty-intl/index.html

    It says that half the population lives in less than 1.90 a day.
    Keep in mind that India’s population is much larger than Nigeria’s, in the billions.

    I like Africa as a continent, and I like Nigeria. I am just providing the truth here.

  518. Bliss says:

    Some observations:

    In the Indian Subcontinent the blackest, southernmost country, Sri Lanka, has the highest IQ (87) of the region while the lightest, northernmost country, Nepal has the lowest IQ (60). A massive difference of 27 IQ points, or almost 2 SDs.

    In the Americas, the most african region, the Caribbean Islands has the highest average IQ after North America, while the least African region Central America has the lowest IQ (and the highest murder rate).

    Of the Muslim nations, Iraq has the highest IQ (89) along with Uzbekistan. Baghdad was the intellectual center of the Muslim world until it was devasted by the Mongols.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  519. @Anonymous

    Yep.

    Welcome to the Africanized world, or the end of civilization.

  520. @Bliss

    Tamils and Telugus aren’t Negroid lmao. Yeah Southern China is also more developed than Northern China but again this has nothing to do with Negroids.

    Negroids trying to instigate trouble every day..seriously it is tiring..

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  521. utu says:
    @AaronB

    THE POWER OF TASTE ( Z. Herbert)

    [MORE]

    It didn’t require great character at all
    our refusal disagreement and resistance
    we had a shred of necessary courage
    but fundamentally it was a matter of taste
    Yes taste
    in which there are fibers of soul the cartilage of conscience

    Who knows if we had been better and more attractively tempted
    sent rose-skinned women thin as a wafer
    or fantastic creatures from the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch
    but what kind of hell was there at this time
    a wet pit the murderers’ alley the barrack
    called a palace of justice
    a home-brewed Mephisto in a Lenin jacket
    sent Aurora’s grandchildren out into the field
    boys with potato faces
    very ugly girls with red hands

    Verily their rhetoric was made of cheap sacking
    (Marcus Tullius kept turning in his grave)
    chains of tautologies a couple of concepts like flails
    the dialectics of slaughterers no distinctions in reasoning
    syntax deprived of beauty of the subjunctive

    So aesthetics can be helpful in life
    one should not neglect the study of beauty

    Before we declare our consent we must carefully examine
    the shape of the architecture the rhythm of the drums and pipes
    official colors the despicable ritual of funerals

    Our eyes and ears refused obedience
    the princes of our senses proudly chose exile

    It did not require great character at all
    we had a shred of necessary courage
    but fundamentally it was a matter of taste
    Yes taste
    that commands us to get out to make a wry face draw out a sneer
    even if for this the precious capital of the body the head
    must fall

  522. anonymous[479] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    wwebd said – for the record, Ron Paul was a great Congressman – one of the best of his day – and I don’t think he was or is anti-Semitic, and I doubt that Nader’s misguided indifference, during his more famous years, to the abortion question was based on racism.

    I was just making the sarcastic point that it is too easy to misunderstand others and call them sinister.

  523. Bliss says:
    @EastKekistani

    I will try my best to support Arabs to be the rulers of this planet so that it won’t become black.

    Lol. You really are a mentally disturbed little freak.

    Unfortunately for your ignorant psycho fantasies, Arabs and Africans have been intermingling for millennia. Rare is the Arab who doesn’t have some african ancestry.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  524. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @niteranger

    IQ is uninformative under nonlinearity.

    Spoken like a true snake oil salesman. Whenever a person needlessly injects “big” words into the argument you can be sure there’s a smoke machine somewhere. He sounds like a deceptive, insecure, try-hard.

    • Agree: Meretricious
  525. @Semperluctor

    Hmmm that is a not what I wrote… what I wrote was…there is no set of Persons with an IQ of less than 120 which has in it Nobel prize winners in Physics, and there are sets of persons with IQs of greater than 140 which do not include in them Nobel prize winners in Physics etc.

  526. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    Not impossible that your daughters are not closer to your population mean than ypu and your wife (also assuming consistent tests) but I think you should have a PI look into possible impregnators – or merely use DNA tests 🙂

  527. @jeff stryker

    Actually, you’re wrong. Han civilization began early because you were not living in tortuous malarial jungles or frigid wastelands. Same reason Greece and Rome developed before Finland.

    Well during the last Ice Age the effective population of surviving Mongoloids was even lower than the effective population of surviving Caucasoids. Moreover NE Asia is much colder than Europe (and North Africa & India & Middle East) with comparable latitude. For example we can compare Seoul and Madrid. The former is much colder than the latter. Same for Tokyo and Heraklion, Shanghai and Cairo. Devoid of wheat and dairy products we had much worse diets too.

    It is not easy to be NE Asian and continue to exist. This is exactly why we have the highest mutational load and the lowest genetic diversity among all races.

    Chinese navigators actually interacted with East African traders fairly peacefully. No, you did not run around jungles with nets like Brits literally trying to steal black people.

    Confucians were like SJWs. We should have conquered East Africa just like whites and Arabs. Damn.

    AIDS is an ethnobio weapon in itself. Blacks evolved some resistance to malaria which gives them greater susceptibility to HIV. As I mentioned, when Chinese rounded up the Nigerian prostitutes in Guangzhou some RIDICULOUS percentage were HIV positive. Same with African drug dealers who are tested for AIDS going into Chinese prisons. A high number have AIDS.

    Right. Avoiding blacks is usually a good idea.

  528. @jeff stryker

    This is true. Europeans can probably be credited with having the least amount of restraint and responsibility in this respect.

    That’s really fine. I have learned a lot from Europeans, Arabs and Mongols. Old NE Asians were WAY TOO SOFT which was why Malays dare to chimp out against us at all.

    Chinese in Southeast Asia do not ENSLAVE anyone. They are merely merchants. And they would argue that if Filipinos did not work for them they would have no jobs period (Though Malay women often find an 80 year old German or American and being his wife becomes her job).

    Well, Filipinos are just inherently fucked. Even Muslim Malays once fucked with them and enslaved them.

    Chinese did commit some crimes against Austronesian people in Taiwan. But nothing like whites in America or Australia who shot indigenous people.

    Actually it is fairly comparable. Just like Amerinds & Australoids Taiwanese abos were really violent. They were largely headhunters. So the Chinese settlers essentially fought a brutal and long race war against them until they have been reduced to their current status, not very different from what whites did.

    Singapore on the other hand was peacefully NE Asianized.

  529. @jeff stryker

    Well the Chinese could do what Indians do to Africans in India or what Bengali do in London.

    From my experience on anti-black sites I finally conclude that the only way to handle blacks is to use the method Arabs use.

    Dole out barbaric, every-bone-in-the-body broken, three months in the hospital beatings to blacks who are caught selling drugs or even being loud.

    We are generally way too peaceful to do that. Instead the typical NE Asian just flees from blacks, causing blacks to be emboldened all the time.

    Bengali being artistic seemed to bring a furious creative inventiveness to beating African loudmouths. There was one article I read stating that they stripped one nude and smeared his genitals with Deep Heat in the Calcutta market for hassling some local Desi girl.

    Bengalis are already doing much better than Chinese in Guangzhou despite Pakistanis sometimes describing them as weak.

  530. @Talha

    What a bind, eh? The tragedy that a foundational belief in evolution could be selectively negative according to its own parameters. Do not open that door…for your own benefit.

    It’s not really a tragedy though. Evolution just tends to cause that. If there is any AI civilization or alien civilization I bet that the same holds. Basically an individual not believing in pro-social myths is beneficial to himself/herself but partly harmful to the society and even his/her own kin. I said partly because there are also benefits to the society as well namely the society can benefit from the individual’s disbelief in pro-social myths by not following them when they are not profitable. As long as there are still group conflicts there is a balanced selection with regard to beliefs in pro-social myths. We can not get rid of such selections at any level.

  531. @jeff stryker

    Whites have pushed Opium on Chinese and Chinese have pushed heroin on whites. Neither group is innocent.

    This is why we need a racial alliance or at least a long-term non-aggression treaty. We can’t afford to fuck with each other when we are both fucked in terms of TFR, cuckedness and low social unity in addition to AI and aliens. Remember Byzantines, Sassanians and…..Rashiduns who ended up fucked up both of them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Talha
  532. Nepal’s IQ at 43. This is a bunch of nonsense. Do your math.
    Based on IQ of 43 and using S.D. of 15, the % of Nepalese having an IQ of 130 or more is:4.5*e-8. Converting that to population, only 1 individual (I ended up with 1.37) will have IQ of 130 or greater. Yet, if you go look at the list of undergrad international students at MIT, I count 7 Nepalese. There are 29 Nepalese students/scholars at Harvard.
    You can look up the numbers yourself.

  533. utu says:
    @niteranger

    I wrote about the correction for range restriction and attenuation that is frequently used by psyshometricians to boos correlations on several occasions. Taleb’s example of including dead people in data is similar to an illustration that I gave circa two years ago:

    P.S. And example of extrapolation/range correction*. Say you want to correlate IQ with brain size. From data you have you get meager r=0.2 but then eureka, you have a bright idea: let’s include a fetus as data point with brain size 0 and IQ=0. And voila, your correlation went way up.
    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/fear-and-loathing-in-psychology/#comment-1949307

    Or here:

    0.24 correlation is rather disappointing, right? Let’s fix it. We can increase the correlation by correcting the restriction of range. Let’s add to the list the Republic of Microcephalia that has IQ=0 and expected PIAAC score of 0. The correlation now is where we want it: 0.98 which means that IQ predicts 96% of variance of PIAAC scores. That’s how you do (IQ) science!
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/iq-in-time-and-space/#comment-2197201

    Then I wrote:

    4) Tweaking correlations to make them bigger.

    Spearman came up with two methods to boost correlations by correcting the effects of (1) limited range and (2) attenuation. Corrections are as valid as the assumptions behind them. Limited range correction requires making assumptions on data behavior outside of empirical accessibility. In an extreme case one can imagine appending to data results of SAT and IQ tests taken by illiterate subjects. This would boost the correlation.

    The attenuation correction formula by Spearman is very enthusiastic as it is capable to make correlation greater than one. So everything is possible for a motivated researcher. Correlations that are broadcasted by the IQists are the corrected one usually often w/o disclosure that they were corrected or only in the small print. For instance in the famous Sottish study of IQ stability between childhood and the old age it is claimed that correlation is about 0.8 however before correction for the attenuation the childhood IQ could explain only about 40% (again res’s Kabbalah number) of IQ variance in the old age.
    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/gould-got-it-wrong/#comment-3077614

    • Replies: @utupider
  534. @South Asian Dude

    The Nepali IQ is simply nonsense. I think South Asia is awesome and should be able to do fine.

  535. @Bliss

    Arabs and Africans have been intermingling for millennia. Rare is the Arab who doesn’t have some african ancestry.

    Which is very awful to the Middle East. I love the Middle East and its people. Yet you Negroids may have ruined their greatness semipermanently if not permanently. Do you know that they used to be leaders of the world who did better than even Europeans?

    This is why I don’t want even one Negroid (I didn’t want to use any n word but you just try to claim that Tamils are black and shit to stir up shit so I have to) anywhere close to NE Asia or Singapore. I don’t want you to ruin our genes and our potential. Isn’t it bad enough that you have already fucked up TWO civilizations, first the Middle East and now Europe? Do you want to fuck up us too?

    • Replies: @Bliss
  536. Talha says:
    @South Asian Dude

    Apparently Ghurkas shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near rifles or sharp objects…oh wait:

    Peace.

  537. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    Individual whites and NE Asians are getting along just fine. Unfortunately, the Tribe is working furiously to push the West – and their satellites – into a WW3 scenario against China and Russia. They will have to be dealt with if we (meaning: everyone) want to survive.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  538. @EastKekistani

    Which Pakistanis describe Bengalis as weak? The Punjabis are great pals of ours, the Sindhis are cool. As are the Baluchis. It’s not the bloody Mirpuris is it?

  539. Edward says:
    @JosephB

    Except I had a Nepalese PhD student who was scary smart, and for whom a 130 IQ would be extremely conservative. Then there’s a Nepalese STEM faculty colleague…

    Then there’s Parag Pathak, a Nepalese-American economist who won the John Bates Clark Medal last year.

    A protege of two Nobel Prize-winning economists – Jean Tirole and Alvin Roth – he received Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in applied mathematics from Harvard, and was admitted to the Harvard Society of Fellows, an honour also bestowed upon Ed Witten, Steve Hsu, Noam Chomsky, David Gross, Marvin Minsky and EO Wilson.

  540. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    Remember Byzantines, Sassanians and…..Rashiduns

    What’s interesting is that no one ever talks about the fact that Muslim Arabs ran over the armies of the Byzantines/Romans and Persians but they were stopped still by the Nubians who were master archers and were able to get the Muslims to back off and draw up a long-lasting truce/agreement by their resilient performance on the battlefield. The Nubians show up again later as Muslims during the Crusades as part of the diverse force that handed them many defeats – again, as archers.

    Sometimes a society is too busy reading books and building lofty towers which is great until someone comes along and gives you one of these options:
    Maybe those high-societies should have devoted a little more time to archery.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  541. @South Asian Dude

    Exactly. Talha linked the pictures of the Gurkhas too. The numbers don’t add up at all, and we all know of the mightly Gurkhas. They certainly are not mentally disabled, that’s for sure.

  542. @Anonymous

    Exactly. I think Jews are just like Chinese so what they need is not moralizing but instead a stern Machiavellian warning:

    We know you are smart. We know you can do surprisingly well against all odds and have contributed a lot to humanity. We would like to thank you for Einstein, Erdos and many other brilliant Jewish minds. However we also know very well about your treachery, your corruption of goy cultures and your financial crimes. Please change your ways and become good members of humanity and we will guarantee not only the continued existence of Israel forever but also your right to establish future Jewish colonies in space. Otherwise we will have to fight for our survival and despite the competence of individual Jews there are just a lot more goyim compared to Jews so you can not win a war against us. You have nukes but we have a lot more nukes. You have robots but we have a lot more robots. You have ethnobioweapons but we have a lot more ethnobioweapons. We earnestly urge you to make peace with us for the peace and prosperity for all. Why shall we fight against each other?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  543. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I don’t know. I heard that when chatting with a few guys on Telegram. You probably already know that Tele is filled with White Nationalists, Middle Easterners and Indians so yes we had a lot of interesting discussions.

  544. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Individual stupidity transcends skin color. Morons can become presidents anywhere. Exhibit one for both statements: Bush Jr – white as snow, dumb as a brick.

    • LOL: wayfarer
  545. @jeff stryker

    Interesting. We have the based Punjabis to thank for that, in Brampton, the intimidation they do and how hardcore they really are, it’s scared the blacks out. Tamils also have been helpful in Toronto, with smaller gangs run by blacks, and not a significant foothold gained by them(blacks).

    I read these stories too, and all the videos that came out protraying Indians as “racist” and what not , but yeah I had a feeling those dindus actually did some wrong, as people pointed out in the comments section that they were selling drugs, women and the likes. It adds up.

    Tariq Jahan was a cuck//He should have kept his damn mouth shut, and let the Mirpuris handle the blacks after their declaration of war against the Pakistani community, through their fatal hits and runs,and orchestrated attacks. Bloody cunts. Let it happen, let the blacks feel the wrath. But no. Tariq Jahan had to be an imbecile

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  546. @EastKekistani

    Let him continue, this is funny to see. Label and shame.

  547. @niteranger

    Thanks for the info. I am overwhelmed by the large amount of well-founded criticism.

    Best, David

  548. I just downloaded the Becker IQ data. All of Nepal’s studies are based on rural areas. Are you fucking kidding me? I count 9 rows, all rural. One of the columns “Samp Comp” says “Vitamin A deficiency”. By contrast, just underneath is the Netherlands. Not even one row says “rural”. It is either national or urban. So the data set is a bunch of horse manure.
    I am looking at India as well, where I see mostly urban and national, and also a couple of rural. The rural IQ in Calcutta (IND2222 and IND7913) is calculated to be 58. Now, Pakistan is all urban and national. One row has IQ calculated at 109, but for some reason ,has that been omitted? The Indian rural IQ scores are based on some sort of epilepsy study.

    Sorry but in developing countries, there is a huge difference between rural and urban areas, and I can tell you that such is the case in Nepal. Do you even realize how poverty starved some of these rural areas are? Heck, even in the United States, the rural areas are not doing as well. To give you an example, West Virginia is essentially a rural state and is pretty much struggling. I see one IQ data for rural USA (Alaska). The IQ has been calculated at 85. It may be for the indigenous population in rural Alaska, but the bottomline is, it is still rural. And the study is about fucking learning difficulties? Are you serious? Is this a real sample?

  549. res says:
    @James Thompson

    My view is that I can perfectly understand how deleterious social conditions, lack of access to resources, race-based prohibitions and restrictions and so on could push down intelligence means, but don’t see how it would narrow standard deviations, because these unfavourable conditions would be pushing UP the lower scoring people, which doesn’t immediately make sense.

    I could see negative pressure on the SDs because the unfavorable conditions affect higher IQ scores more than lower. Thus decreasing the spread of the distribution (and skewing it).

    But I would expect the variability of environment to increase the SD because the variance now includes both the genetic and environmental effects. This would also decrease the observed heritability of IQ in that population.

    Not sure how these two effects would compare in magnitude. Or how best to measure that.

    I do find it plausible that in a population with a large mass living in unfavorable conditions and a small number of elite that the first effect could dominate the numerical results while still having a fat tail at the upper end. Should probably try some simulations to establish some possibilities (resulting means and SDs for full distribution). Any suggestions? I was thinking something like looking at the distribution that results from combining 95% of people with a normal distribution of mean 70 and SD 13 along with 5% at mean 100 and SD 15. I think this is along the lines of what the Afro-optimists believe. Though perhaps 5% is too large?

    A counterargument to this is Rindermann’s smart fraction theory. I don’t think he saw an elite population like I am proposing in his data for Africa. Dr. Thompson, do you know of a good reference for Rindermann looking at African countries in particular?

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  550. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    I’ll have to disagree with you on several points. They’re not smarter, most of them can’t be talked into non-jewing and all Western support for Israel must cease.

    Maybe you didn’t notice, but they’re genociding my race which kinda’ removes all amicable solutions off the table. Call me crazy.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  551. @Jonathan Mason

    In that case the future of the western world hangs in the balance!

  552. Based on the data provided:
    1: Nepal 9
    2: Gambia, The 6
    3: Indonesia 6
    4: Kenya 6
    5: India 5

    The second column is the total number of data from rural areas. Nepal tops the list. You can also see that India is there as well. I am sorry to say, but you simply cannot compare rural to urban areas. This is true especially for Nepal, where a lot of these rural areas are super remote and poverty starved.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  553. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    You are too young to remember when Jamaicans ran rampant over Brampton and London etc. The other blacks were children of US draft dodgers born in Canada during the amnesty.

    They cucked the whites as badly as any blacks have ever cucked another race in the history of civilization.

    Jamaicans sold weed to 12 year old kids. They hung around high schools recruiting white girls to pimp out on Jane and Finch or traffic to the US.

    And of course, they spread AIDS because when not cucking white Canadian men, they were on the “down low”.

    Also, they brought the scourge of crack cocaine to Ontario.

    Mostly though, Brampton was a dump.

    White Biker gangs did not help. They were willing to subcontract the drug dealing and peeler bar recruitment to Jamaicans.

    When Indians moved in, this ended.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  554. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Asian Dude

    poverty starved

    Sounds great.

  555. @jeff stryker

    When Indians moved in, this ended.

    Well I already have a gut feeling that both whites and most of NE Asia will be Islamized within a hundred years while Sikhs and Tamils will probably continue to be non-Muslim assuming that AI, nuclear war or aliens won’t destroy the world.

    The white race is really making the same mistake we are making now since “race realist” really means “dude who flees from blacks” even on websites such as Ni*germania and Chimpmania. That’s literally what we are doing. Nobody likes blacks yet everybody gives in to them every day. Moreover both the White Nationalist community and the NE Asian nationalist community which encompasses most of NE Asia are highly infertile. Everybody talks about racial survival and the need for babies yet very few actually bothers to make many babies. It reminds me of late Roman period, late Han dynasty and other great civilizations that are just about to be conquered by pastoralists.

  556. @Anonymous

    They’re not smarter

    ? Ashkenazis do have high IQ.

    , most of them can’t be talked into non-jewing

    Of course talking doesn’t work. Can they be deterred into compliance though? That’s essentially how Singapore ended fare evasion. They don’t bother to moralize because cunning Chinese don’t listen to moralizing. Instead the officials just calmly put up a notice saying that if you don’t pay you will eventually pay even more when caught. This works well.

    and all Western support for Israel must cease.

    Of course. What’s the point of assisting a hostile state?

    but they’re genociding my race which kinda’ removes all amicable solutions off the table.

    I know they are but this can be stopped. You are stronger than them. Just give them two options, compliance and war. I think they will choose the former.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  557. @Talha

    Sometimes a society is too busy reading books and building lofty towers which is great until someone comes along and gives you one of these options:

    Yes and this is very hard to prevent. Peace in a civilization makes fighting skills not only useless but also potentially dangerous since states and rulers don’t like potential rule breakers. Peace selects for cunning merchants & smart scholars and selects against warriors..until the society is so weak that it can be conquered by barbarians who don’t read books but sure as hell know how to fight and more importantly are not afraid of death.

    Then this cycle repeats. That’s essentially what Ibn Khaldun and Spengler talked about from an evolutionary point of view.

    Maybe those high-societies should have devoted a little more time to archery.

    How? Civilized people just don’t like fighting. It is a trade-off. Eventually a great civilization just tends to have its military staffed by recent immigrants from “barbarians” who then tend to take control or it just tends to be outright conquered by foreign “barbarians”. Muslim dynasties after Muslim dynasties in India getting conquered by recent arrivals from Afghanistan was a good example. So were Turks in Abbasid Caliphate. Or we can look at Iran. Its rulers during the past 1000 years were almost all non-Persian.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @UnzReader
  558. @EastKekistani

    There are Bengalis in Guanzhou? What the hell?