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In the continuing story of coronavirus, this week brings two stories about limitations. The first is that production of both Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines in Europe is faltering, and from Monday supplies will be reduced for the next few weeks. There have been production problems, of the sort which happen in all manufacturing. It should get better later, but it means that some vaccination centres will lie idle for a while. This is a public health problem, since the gains which have been made in vaccinating, and which will have reduced the population at risk, may be overwhelmed by new cases in the unvaccinated, particularly as numbers increase, thus increasing the probability of new variants.

Nonetheless, by the time you read this, 6 million will have been given the first jab, and half a million the second jab. Not bad, given the cold chain requirements of the front-running Pfizer vaccine. Pragmatically, the AstraZeneca vaccine will now take over the main burden, and the rates of vaccination will probably increase considerably in a fortnights time.

For most people, getting the jab as soon as possible is the main aim. Vaccinations offered for later next week come with an associated second appointment on 8th April, so 70 days, or 10 weeks later. The UK has taken the reasonable view that giving as many people as possible the first dose should take priority, and that the second dose can be given up to 12 weeks later. Only 8% have had the second jab by this week, but that will increase considerably, so long as supplies last.

The British Medical Association (doctor’s union) has said that a 12 week delay is fine for the AstraZeneca jab, but for Pfizer there is no evidence it will be OK after 42 days. It is a bit hard to see how the immune system would forget a vaccination so soon. Prof Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation feels the data support the view that one jab confers acceptable protection. The Moderna data (using an mRNA approach like Pfizer) shows 90% immunity two months after the first jab. Prof Adam Finn, University of Bristol, a paediatrician with an interest in infection, immunity and vaccinations, says that within a week or two, unpublished data under analysis will be likely to show that there will be increasing protection in the 12 week period after the first vaccination. I think this was also suggested by Steve Sailer, having eyeballed the data some time ago.

However, vaccination is not universally popular. The media have been tentatively discussing the fact that some populations, in some parts of the country, are turning down vaccination not at the white rate of 8% but at the rate of 50%. As usual, the discussion of this phenomenon is somewhat coy. First of all, they call it “vaccine hesitancy”. Secondly, they talk about cultural and historical factors, and the importance of Faith leaders. Finally, later down the newspaper column, religion and race come into the picture.

A recent survey of 12,000 participants looking into “vaccine hesitancy” found that 72% of black respondents said they were unlikely to have the coronavirus. This was sky high compared to other groups.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.27.20248899v1

So, intended vaccination rejection by ethnicity is: Black 70%, Pakistani/Bangladeshi 30%, Indian 16%, White 14%. A summary is that black citizens are disproportionately likely to reject being vaccinated. By a country mile, as they say in the country.

Just as a reality check, the same data show that elderly citizens are most at risk, and accordingly the least hesitant. The young don’t need a vaccination themselves (though it may well reduce the probability of passing it on to others) and so don’t see a need for it. It is a simple linear age effect.

In the real world, in Asian and African-Caribbean parts of Birmingham the refusal rate (offer of vaccination turned down immediately) is up to 50%. In Ealing, London, black residents refuse at 10-15% compared to all other groups at 5%. In Stoke on Trent there is a 20 to 30% non-attendance rate among black and ethnic minorities, compared to 2-3% in other groups. What ever the reason, a 20 to 30% non-attendance rate shows a sublime disregard for the needs of others, who will have had their chance of vaccination unnecessarily postponed.

What is going on?

A former Equality and Human Rights commissioner and frequent commentator, Trevor Phillips, said it was due to “a sincere rejection on religious or cultural grounds and quite probably a deep suspicion of anything proposed by white authorities. That doesn’t make it right, but it means we have to tackle he sceptics with seriousness. The underlying suggestion that we are all just a bit backward or don’t understand the arguments for the jab is just belittling people of colour”.

The idea that a rejection is “sincere” because it is thought to derive from religion or culture is certainly open to question. Cultures and religions can be wrong about immunology. Equally, “deep suspicion of white authorities” is bizarre, since those minorities are willingly and freely living in a white majority country, which provides education, health, social services, and welfare payments when required. Indeed, not only bizarre, but apparently totally wrong. Government surveys show that Black citizens have a strong sense of belonging in Britain, in actual fact fractionally more so than White citizens, which makes for an interesting talking point about the effects of mass immigration.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/culture-and-community/community/feeling-of-belonging-to-britain/latest

Finally, the suggestion that rejection of vaccination is based on not understanding the arguments can be tested by looking for any racial differences in the understanding of science, or racial differences in scholastic attainment in total.

Let us look at the GCSE results (age 16) by ethnicity for2019, the last year of uninterrupted schooling, and rank them by their Top 8 scores.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest

Chinese 64.3%
Indian 57.3%
Bangladeshi 50.6%
Black African 47.3%
Pakistani 46.2%
White British 46.2%
Black Caribbean 39.4%

Examiners tend to prefer average scores, not wanting to stand out and have their marks questioned, and mark up or down from that average only when the student performance calls for it. These group averages would show, by a very wide margin, that Black Caribbeans could be said to have had difficulty understanding things. However, it does not match well with Indian subcontinent results, so it seems to be a part of the story, but not all of it.

As regards science, in 2007 it was found that:

(At 16) Pupils with a Chinese, Indian, White and Asian or any other Asian background showed a preference for the separate sciences (biology, chemistry and physics), while pupils with Black backgrounds were less likely to take any of these subjects and showed a preference for the single award in science.

(At 18) Uptake figures for A-level subjects in the area of Science/Mathematics for pupils with a Black background (other than African) were low when compared with figures for other ethnic groups. However, figures for subjects in the Arts field were slightly higher.
It seems black students are more likely to avoid the separate sciences and mathematics.

Here is the summary of recent A level (age 18) results

1. Main facts and figures
• in the 2018 to 2019 school year, the average point score for all students taking level 3 qualifications (including A levels) was 33.42
• students from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest overall average point score out of all ethnic groups (37.98), and the highest score in every type of level 3 qualification
• out of the 6 aggregated ethnic groups, Black A level students had the lowest average point score (28.91)

It would seem that the most educated people in each racial group differ in average ability, so likely to be coming to different judgments about health risks, and influencing others in their ethnic groups in different ways. Since judgments about vaccination involve some knowledge of biology and medicine, and some familiarity with relative and absolute risk, there is a clear a priori reason based on education for different ethnicities to have different understandings of the benefits of vaccination.

There is another way of looking at far-out views, of the sort associated with seeing vaccination as an attack on personal health and integrity, which is to look at the extreme case: mental disorder so severe as to require detention. This follows the assumption that mental disorder is the far end of a dimension of beliefs, attitudes, and states of mind.

1. Main facts and figures

• in the year to March 2019, Black people were more than 4 times as likely as White people to be detained under the Mental Health Act – 306.8 detentions per 100,000 people, compared with 72.9 per 100,000 people

• out of the 16 specific ethnic groups, Black Caribbean people had the highest rate of detention out of all ethnic groups (excluding groups labelled ‘Other’)

• the highest rate of detention was for people in the Black Other ethnic group, followed by those in the Mixed Other ethnic group – however, these rates are considered to be overestimates because ‘Other’ categories may have been used for people whose specific ethnicity wasn’t known

• the actual rates of detention for people in the ethnic groups not labelled as ‘Other’ may be underestimated, particularly those within the Black ethnic groups

It is not that all people are mad, but that the far extreme for each group will predict that group’s average beliefs, and the probability of distorted thinking.

NHS doctors of ethnic origin have said that unwillingness to be vaccinated is due to “poorer health outcomes in people of colour alongside a number of controversial medical trials on ethnic minorities that still haunt recent memory”.

Of course, poorer health outcomes can be due to many factors, including obesity. Once again intensive care staff are noting the obesity of patients being brought in for treatment. This all too evident factor is always mentioned in media reports, but not usually in the headlines. The health of a group may be largely influenced by their own behaviour. UK estimates are that much ill health is due to poor behavioural choices in the general population.

As regards controversial medical trials, are they talking about Tuskegee? The way that story is told is that either black people were given syphilis, or more probably denied treatment despite their having syphilis, just so that the natural progression of the illness could be followed into incapacity and death, all this out of morbid fascination with the disease and a total disregard for black lives. If so, this horror would certainly linger in public consciousness, and could account for an unwillingness to go to hospitals, visit doctors, volunteer for studies and, possibly also, to accept vaccinations. Some allowance might have be made for this, if true, having happened in 1932, and steps having been taken to prevent a re-occurrence of this perversion of medicine.

Another possibility is that the date of 1932 is important, because at that time there were few treatments for syphilis that patients were willing to undergo and persist with. It could also be assumed that, as regards vaccinations, there may have been improvements in the intervening 90 years.

Here is a recent re-examination of the Tuskegee project.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2004/01/08/tuskegee-re-examined/

All this may come to nothing. Most people may eventually get vaccinated. If they could show up for the appointments they have accepted, that would be great.

 
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  1. dearieme says:

    There are many aspects of society in which Black and Pakistani/Bangladeshi people don’t pull their weight. The point is frequently made, rather loudly, but worded differently so that the white population is blamed for it.

    A friend of a friend was talking about the problems of take-up in his homeland where the followers of the Prophet predominate. Some, he said, object on the grounds of the well-known alcohol content of the vaccine, some because of its pork content. But most object because of the chips. Naughty Mr Gates, eh?

    It’s easy to feel superior to people plagued by such idiotic superstitions but are they essentially different from Guardian readers?

  2. LondonBob says:

    No benefits from Israel’s vaccination program so far.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @Adam Smith
  3. Not bad, given the cold chain requirements of the front-running Pfizer vaccine.

    They shouldn’t be a big deal if the U.K. is still a First World country that can manufacture dry ice and refill containers after receipt and then every 5 days. Not to mention for each one have at least one out of the four contacts pay attention to calls and text messages from the monitoring devices in the boxes, although those do have to be entered into the system in the first place.

    It is a bit hard to see how the immune system would forget a vaccination so soon.

    I think you know even less about the immune system than I do, which is not much, so I would say big doses of humility might be in order. Pfizer/BioNTech is obviously taking the safe route for both efficacy and safety, “we didn’t think about this, we didn’t test this, we don’t know what will happen if you try it, you’re on your own.”

    So we’ll see as the U.K. tries a grand experiment of the sort you’re fond of, this one probably pretty safe and may have a very big payoff, although that might need cementing with third doses when they’ll still be in short supply. Or third and fourth later. On the other hand, I’ve just heard a first bit of news that Moderna’s vaccine might be less effective against the South African mutation, and it’s always been in the cards that we might need two or more rounds of vaccinations until the virus runs out of ways to outfox our adaptive immune system, an inherent danger from a novel virus.

    It’s very likely one of the reasons to do this is to get the most out of the Oxford vaccine, which is disappointing “when used as directed,” but will likely work better if there’s a longer gap between doses. Janssen’s backup plan for two doses of the same sort of thing is an eight week interval, but in Oxford’s Phase I/II trial they tried that sort of interval, so maybe that’s why the U.K. is trying up to another four weeks. For details on what happened in that trial see the first paper at the bottom of that link, in the “Additional Information:” section.

    It is not that all people are mad, but that the far extreme for each group will predict that group’s average beliefs, and the probability of distorted thinking.

    Not being a HBD nerd, I have to say a Citation Needed here. For example, “mad” includes people just not thinking straight because of several disorders, some of which can only be mitigated with drugs, something my mother witnessed during her career as a nurse in the 1950s, others can be addressed through talking therapy. So I’d guess from first principles the not so grievously “mad” might well be indicators for the population as a whole, after you remove from your estimations the ones with frankly broken minds absent medication.

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  4. @dearieme

    A friend of a friend was talking about the problems of take-up in his homeland where the followers of the Prophet predominate. Some, he said, object on the grounds of the well-known alcohol content of the vaccine, some because of its pork content. But most object because of the chips. Naughty Mr Gates, eh?

    It’s easy to feel superior to people plagued by such idiotic superstitions

    Except what does it say when these are not superstitions but flatly wrong? Which vaccines have ethanol in them? Neither of Moderna or Pfizer/BioNTech. Where on earth is pork being used in the production? Again, for those vaccines, the most sophisticated organization used is a bacteria to make lots of DNA to then be templates for mRNA.

    And the chips Gates has been or might be pushing simply won’t work with the way these vaccines are being injected. One scheme uses a lot of needles unless I’m misremembering it, the standard one widely used today needs huge needles because antenna have minimum sizes, plus the device must be powered by the reader, see the whole pet and livestock chipping thing.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @JamesinNM
  5. “The Moderna data (using an mRNA approach like Pfizer) shows 90% immunity two months after the first jab.”

    It does not show that. Even the “90% effective” claims need to be taken with a grain of salt (to put it mildly), but even the Big Pharma data says nothing whatsoever about immunity. It talks about reduction of symptoms.

    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

    Honestly, James Thompson’s coverage of C-19 and especially the vaccine data has been so egregious that it makes me retrospectively call into question his entire body of work. That’s a shame.

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  6. TG says:

    Yeah well, I’m getting vaccinated, mostly because I am just sick of the lockdown and hope (hope) that this will lead to a return to at least sort-of normal.

    But do I mindlessly believe everything that the authorities are telling us about these vaccines? No. The authorities lie about everything – yes I know, that’s a part of life, but lately in the West it has become extreme. There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Deregulating big finance won’t cause any problems. the NAFTA and MFN for China treaties won’t result in the loss of industrial jobs. Opening the borders to the overpopulated third world won’t result in massive increases in population, because anyhow the third world is about to become rich so illegal immigration will stop of its own accord. Don’t wear surgical masks because they don’t work. Letting big companies form monopolies won’t cause prices to increase. VIOXX is safe. Oxycontin is not addictive. Why the D68 enterovirus that was previously all but unknown in the US suddenly hit US schoolchildren all over the country is a total mystery, and can have nothing to do with the sudden importation of thousands of Central American refugees (where D68 is endemic) and sticking them in middle and lower class schools all over the nation. Stopping people from flying here on planes where the coronavirus is pandemic won’t slow its spread here and would be racist. Russia hacked the 2016 presidential election. And so on.

    If there is a problem with these vaccines, it is highly likely we won’t be told the truth. For example: an estimated 10-30 million Americans have have gotten a polio vaccine that was contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). Did this have any bad long-term effects? We will, I suspect, never know.

    I hope that the people making the vaccine have paid at least some attention to quality control and testing, but it’s a calculated risk on my part.

    It’s not about my knowledge of science or lack thereof. It’s about the established authorities being so careless of throwing their credibility away that they don’t have much left, and whether in our calculations we are willing to roll the dice on a vaccine or not.

  7. @Polite Derelict

    Honestly, James Thompson’s coverage of C-19 and especially the vaccine data has been so egregious that it makes me retrospectively call into question his entire body of work. That’s a shame.

    Honestly, your demand that Mr. Thompson be omniscient is so egregious I’m inclined to dismiss everything you say. I’m also impressed with the arrogance of the author of the blog posting you link to. Yes, he’s an editor of the fourth highest impact general medical journal, but to take just one thing that leapt out at me from their Wikipedia entry, they’ve very big on “evidence-based medicine” That is, the style of “practicing medicine” that puts entities like his The BMJ at the top of the pecking order despite biomedical research’s terrible replication crisis, and is intended to dispense with what doctors actually learn from practicing medicine on real patients. To put it a different way, I’d likely be dead now if that system ruled in the US (you know, the whole “off label” prescribing thing?), and I can see why he has such an attitude when the world doesn’t follow his centralized top down demands.

    But you do bring something new and interesting to the discussion, presumably new to Mr. Thompson, so it’s worth examining. My quick 100,000 foot look is that it’s not the silver bullet you appear to think it to be, and your claims do not stand up to examination: “even the Big Pharma data says nothing whatsoever about immunity.” Except, you know, the serological tests? And the whole not getting PRC confirmed symptomatic COVID-19 in the first place? “It talks about reduction of symptoms.” is both true for the studies that have gotten enough serious cases, which was only maybe true for Moderna as of November 30th, and otherwise obviously bogus, unless you’re referring to not getting PRC confirmed symptomatic COVID-19 counting as a “reduction of symptoms,” if you looked at that in a particularly squirrelly way. (Does British English use that metaphor?)

    I’ll have more to say about this probably tomorrow, but for now I’ll note the biggest point about there being so many unconfirmed suspected cases that are fairly evenly distributed seems to be very well answered by the “Best” comment by Alexander van Akkooi.

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  8. @Wyatt

    I was just about to say the exact same thing (seriously – well almost the same, something like: Ouch).

  9. Sean says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I wrote a long rejoinder to you on a Steve thread, but I don’t see it (maybe going on about Xi too much). To summarize what is pertinent here: a lot of top British experts are saying the ‘give everybody the first dose is the priority’ policy is a mistake. They also want to reduce the allowable time between doses back down to the original 3 weeks instead of 12. There is also worry at people thinking that the first dose gives them a substantial amount of immunity. It does, but only after 2-3 weeks. If millions of people who have had the first shot of the vaccine then immediately stop distancing, Covid will rapidly spread to those who haven’t had even the first vaccination, and things will get out of control. Basically, people have to be encouraged to be vaccinated by telling them the vaccine is excellent, but they also must be dissuaded from acting on that for a three week lockdown. Modelling and lab tests suggest that the new variants’ spread seem to be best explained by them simply being better at reinfection of those who have already had Covid-19. So a variant that can get past the B cell produced antibodies from a prior Covid-19 infection could quite conceivably get past the antibodies from a vaccine. There is still the other part of immunity: the T cell response.

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  10. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:

    Tuskegee may not even be foremost in their minds.

    https://www.bmartin.cc/dissent/documents/AIDS/River/Prospect.html

    Most “Europeans” (whites) recall only the South Africans’ so-called conspiracy theories about Ebola. But the most through historical work to date attributes human Ebola to a reckless Wistar Institute vaccine trial. Awareness of this is a cultural difference because the most highly trained Europeans get trained by sucking up to their thesis advisors, and therefore certain kinds of critical thinking do not pay. And they weren’t there in Congo to see what happened.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  11. @LondonBob

    I agree with you that it has had no benefit, but I wouldn’t say it has been without effect.

    Thousands of Israelis Tested Positive for Coronavirus After First Vaccine Shot

    COVID Cases Rise in Israel Despite Successful Vaccine Rollout

    Top health official: 17% of new serious COVID cases got first vaccine shot

    Recently vaccinated people spread disease and should quarantine for a month.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    , @HA
  12. LondonBob says:

    I am sure much of this is just usual winter deaths spike and the government’s aggressive coding of deaths as covid, but this does need explaining.

    Anyway an NHS doctor I jnow here in London has already said they have seen a drop off now, again I assume that is herd immunity, less vulnerable and perhaps even the vaccine. Government rhetoric is not matching up to the situation they are seeing.

  13. Doubts about the efficacy of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine for those over 65

    https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198

    From DW/ Germany: “The firm’s response followed reports in Handelsblatt and Bild, two German daily newspapers. Both cited unnamed members of Germany’s government as saying that the vaccine had a poor efficacy rate among people above 65. Bild put the figure at “less than 10%,” Handelsblatt at 8%. The newspapers further reported that German government officials didn’t expect the vaccine to be approved for use on over-65s by the European Medicines Agency regulator as a result.”

  14. dearieme says:
    @anon

    Fascinating link – Matt Ridley is a chap to take seriously. But he wrote that twenty years ago. Do you happen to know how his views on the topic have developed since then?

  15. dearieme says:
    @Dieter Kief

    No doubt AstraZeneca will consequently volunteer not to supply any vaccine to the EU: it would be such a shame to upset Handelsblatt and Bild further.

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  16. dearieme says:
    @brabantian

    Alas you may be right. I think it’s odds against, but you may be right.

    Be sure to stay in Brabant: in Biden’s America they would presumably try to jail you.

  17. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    dearieme 18, don’t know whether Ridley’s followed up. I know (1) domain experts still take his work seriously, as the link shows; and (2) it went straight into the memory hole for the public at large. *Science* will clearly never get around to looking into it (otherwise *Science* buffs might have to examine their creed from a sociological standpoint.) It’s a fascinating case involving medical experimentation on human and non-human lab animals in breach of the Nuremberg Code. The scale of it was never matched until these m-rna vaccines came out.

  18. @Dieter Kief

    First a general note: a lot of people here need to learn the concept of tradeoffs, what’s behind the risk/benefit calculations people should make about getting a vaccine or waiting until they get the virus, and some people should also note this is not the 1950s, the state of the art has advanced a bit. To repeat something that shouldn’t need repeating, if you give a vaccine or any drug to millions of people, some will be maimed or killed, that’s just how this works. Same thing of course happens to people who get COVID-19, and I haven’t seen anyone even try to make a case the rates are comparable.

    From DW/ Germany: “… Both cited unnamed members of Germany’s government as saying that the vaccine had a poor efficacy rate among people above 65. Bild put the figure at “less than 10%,” Handelsblatt at 8%. The newspapers further reported that German government officials didn’t expect the vaccine to be approved for use on over-65s by the European Medicines Agency regulator as a result.”

    This would not be at all surprising from the AZ/Oxford clown show. This paper published December 8th has the same numbers as used in the U.K. approval documents from which the following numbers are taken from, from four studies in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK they could muster only 5,807 subjects who got two doses of the correct size, and 5,829 controls, 30 and 101 cases respectively, for a 70% efficacy. With numbers that small, one third of the minimum study size I gather is required by the FDA, two thirds of Novavax’s U.K. trial size, you almost certainly can’t say much if anything about sub-populations like the elderly.

    While I’m at it, to address our host’s thesis, 10,014 people got “any dose” (which might include the people who accidentally got a half-dose followed by a full dose, not kidding when I say clown show), and 10,000 controls, 108 vs. 227 cases, or 53% efficacy, which would be useful. Those populations might also have enough serious cases to tell us something, 2 vs. 16.

    Note that as the EU’s European Medicines Agency (EMA) considers this vaccine for conditional marketing authorisation, their closest thing to the FDA’s Emergency Use Authorization and includes emergencies like this pandemic in its remit, they’ll have a couple more months of data from AZ/Oxford.

    While I’m at it, I noticed their ClinialTrials.gov US Phase III filing is a lot more clear about what’s being done than their filings for other trials, much simpler in dosing intervals. And they’re going for a variation of the Russian approach, here a 2:1 ration of vaccine to placebo saline solution control, ~20,000 vs. ~10,000. This trial was halted for forty days as I recall based on a U.K. adverse event, with dark muttering about a lack of candor from AZ/Oxford, but in theory might be able to supply interim data for EMA decisions.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  19. @TG

    Excellent succinct assessment of our new reality.

  20. dearieme says:

    Hello, hello. From https://lockdownsceptics.org (today)

    A report from care homes in Stockholm with Covid deaths: only 17% died of Covid (dominating cause of death); for 75%, Covid could have been a contributory factor; and for 8% , there was another cause of death entirely. This is the same percentages found in a study of care homes in another part of Sweden published in 2020.

    The first group (17%), where Covid was the dominating cause of death, had the following features: before getting Covid they were in a stable condition and had few underlying diseases. The actual Covid disease was more often in two phases and the second phase was characterised by high fever and poor oxygen saturation.

    In the second group (75%), where Covid was a contributory factor, the individuals where already sickly and frail. The time between the onset of symptoms and death was short, but without dramatic signs.

    In the third group (8%), where there was another cause of death, the individuals had already caught Covid and recovered and then got another disease. They had a longer time between the recording of Covid infection and time of death.

    I wonder how this description would compare with a description of care home deaths in a usual winter flu season.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  21. dearieme says:
    @dearieme

    I suppose it’s illuminating to know that only 8% of the reported care home Covid deaths had been bogus. In 75% of cases Covid was the Grim Reaper – the crop was ripe, poor souls, and he set to work with his scythe. That leaves the 17% where Covid was the solitary assassin.

    I have seen no such analysis for victims from outside care homes.

  22. dearieme says:

    Off topic but, I suppose, related to IQ: a piece in the LRB quotes part of a letter written in the thirties by the second greatest theoretical physicist which shows (it seems to me) remarkable bone-headedness.

    ‘I am the same ardent pacifist that I was before,’ he said to one correspondent. ‘But I believe that we can advocate refusing military service only when the military threat from aggressive dictators toward democratic countries has ceased to exist.’

  23. Russia announces new CO-19 vaccine Epivaccorona will be launched in February.

    The efficacy of Epivac shall be 100%.

    Russland kündigt Massenproduktion seines zweiten Impfstoffs an. Laut Ministerpräsident Mischustin soll sie im Februar beginnen. Der Impfstoff Epivaccorona hat laut russischer Gesundheits-Aufsichtsbehörde eine Wirksamkeit von hundert Prozent.— MDR AKTUELL (@MDRAktuell) January 26, 2021

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  24. @Dieter Kief

    Russia announces new CO-19 vaccine Epivaccorona will be launched in February.

    The efficacy of Epivac shall be 100%.

    It’s sad with the political types screw up messaging, although what was actually said in Russian? From what I’m reading in English, this is a claim base on the unpublished as far as ClinicalTrials.gov has been updated Phase I and II trials, and no Phase III trial registered there yet. About 100 people, 14 for a very confident Phase I with only one dose level, the remainder blind with vaccine and saline solution control arms.

    It’s a very fancy variant on the protein plus adjuvant style, “chemically synthesized peptide antigens of SARS-CoV-2 proteins, conjugated to a carrier protein and adsorbed on an aluminum-containing adjuvant (aluminum hydroxide).” Peptides are very small/short sequences of amino acids like insulin, larger/longer ones are proteins.

    I assume/hope they looked at what epitopes are selected by the immune system, seem to be effective, and are likely to be conserved, the latter meaning they can’t change much or “the virus won’t virus.” No reason it shouldn’t work, although currently in what should be leading candidates we’re batting 50/50 with this style, Sanofi/GSK failed to get enough of a response from the elderly and is retrying with Phase I trials soon, Novavax’s U.K. Phase III trial would appear to be promising enough for them to start a trial in the US.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  25. Some Guy says:

    However, it does not match well with Indian subcontinent results, so it seems to be a part of the story, but not all of it.

    Matches well with the IQ scores of those people:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/minorities-cognitive-performance-in-the-uk/

  26. Sean says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/why-has-britain-suffered-more-than-100000-covid-deaths
    Britain went into the Covid-19 pandemic in poor health in some key areas. In 2018, the proportion of adults who were obese had already reached 28%[…] Diabetes, another key comorbidity was also rising. At the start of 2020 3.9 million people had a diagnosis – up 100,000 on the previous year.

    How poor oral hygiene may result in metabolic syndrome
    Date:
    December 8, 2020
    Source:
    Tokyo Medical and Dental University <

    2014

    https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/periodontal-bacteria-selectively-disarm-immune-system-penn-study-finds

    In 2011 there was a study ‘Porphyromonas gingivalis enzymes enhance infection with human metapneumovirus in vitro ‘. People in care home oft times have a touch of dementia. Those with Alzheimer’s have on average had fewer teeth in their 60s, and Alzheimer’s patients’ brains contain p gingivalis and residual genetic material from this bacteria in the specific regions (hippocampus, cerebral cortex) where neuron loss is greatest in Alzheimer’s. See https://seekingalpha.com/article/4398139-cortexyme-fresh-perspective-in-alzheimers

  27. @That Would Be Telling

    First a general note: a lot of people here need to learn the concept of tradeoffs, what’s behind the risk/benefit calculations people should make about getting a vaccine or waiting until they get the virus, and some people should also note this is not the 1950s, the state of the art has advanced a bit. To repeat something that shouldn’t need repeating, if you give a vaccine or any drug to millions of people, some will be maimed or killed, that’s just how this works.

    This may differ for the young and the old. Young people have a low risk of dying from Covid-19 but what if the vaccine has been killing some of them? And old people dying after the vaccine, well, they may have been on their way out anyway due to old age and other health problems. It’s not easy to make a judicious decision based on what we’re being told so far.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  28. I would think that the Tholidomide babies scandal is far more in the minds of British people wary of Big Pharma than the Tuskegee project.

    Thalidomide is a drug that was developed in the 1950s by the West German pharmaceutical company Chemie Grünenthal GmbH. It was originally intended as a sedative or tranquiliser, but was soon used for treating a wide range of other conditions, including colds, flu, nausea and morning sickness in pregnant women.

  29. @Commentator Mike

    This may differ for the young and the old. Young people have a low risk of dying from Covid-19 but what if the vaccine has been killing some of them? [Old people.] it’s not easy to make a judicious decision based on what we’re being told so far.

    Or just don’t have much hard data yet. Although there’s also no reason to believe young people also won’t have lower risks of dying from vaccines, especially since we’re not going very “young” any time soon as far as I know. Down to 16 in the US based on extrapolation of data down to age 18 for Pfizer/BioNTech, and Moderna’s doing a clinical trial down to 12. But very very few people under 20 will be high priority unless they have comorbidities and thus different tradeoffs.

    High quality phase IV “post-marketing” data is hard to generate, because you have to tease out what I’ll call actuarial really bad “adverse events,” (AEs), the latter the name for general bad stuff happening after someone takes a vaccine, actuarial being “natural” stuff that would or might have happened anyway, vs. AEs caused by the vaccine. Sometimes it’s easy, anaphylaxis within 30 minutes of inoculation, but on the other hand that’s always in the cards after getting vaccinated so we are or should be well prepared for it. And the vast majority of people getting that from the mRNA vaccines have already experienced it with something else, a lot were already carrying their own epipens.

    For the stuff most of us worry about, we’re not going to get anything resembling hard data for some time after an AE, because that requires real work from doctors and regulators. Instead we have the usual scare stories from anti-vaxxers that circling back to my main point completely disregard any benefit from the vaccines, they just don’t believe in risk/benefit analysis. Nature is good even when it kills or maims us, vaccines are bad even when they save us from either, with or without bad side effects.

    Weasel word “bad” because a whole lot of things labeled as side effects, even some ones scored as “serious” might not be reasonably scored as side effects when you are after all poking at the immune system with a stick. So everything from pain at the site of the injection, well, that can just be simple trauma, to pretty rare lymphadenopathy, AKA swelling of lymph nodes is not statistically unexpected, is once you get over is perhaps a sign you got properly immunized. And perhaps not, maybe your innate immune system that does not generate memories took care of it.

    About the only thing I’m willing to say right now is that with 23.5 million total mRNA vaccine doses administered in the US, 3.5 million of those second doses, we’ve not seen any major bad patterns except for anaphylaxis which I’m not sure even counts as “major” in numbers. There is one huge lot of Modern’s vaccine that’s come under suspicion, but I didn’t bother to dig into it after noting all the AEs occurred at one California clinic. I’ll wait for the regulators; I’m sure there’s a common mode failure there, just strongly suspect it has nothing to do with the vaccine unless there’s some unexpected variation in a small bit of that lot.

  30. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:

    That would be telling is here with the hasbara from your friendly AMERITHRAX/BIOTHRAX industry! Today the psycho-linguistic programming is “this is not the fifties.”

    No, in the fifties US biological warfare was dropping ticks from airplanes onto Koreans. In the eighties, US biological warfare was dropping the beaker full of ticks and infecting the USA with inter alia Lyme. In the ’00s, US biological warfare was attacking legislators with weaponized anthrax and cashing in with the useless yet harmful BIOTHRAX with mass medical experimentation on soldiers without voluntary consent.

    In the modern world of today, biological warfare is BWC-illegal “defensive” gain-of-function research at Burnett-Womack Building at UNC under Ralph Baric, weaponized in compartmented contract work by Battelle subs overseas; and mass medical experimentation undermining voluntary consent with ulterior constraint and coercion in breach of Nuremberg Code Article 1.

  31. @anon

    In the modern world of today, biological warfare is BWC-illegal “defensive” gain-of-function research at Burnett-Womack Building at UNC under Ralph Baric

    It should be illegal, but has only been subject to two limited time US Federal funding moratoriums (have not heard of any actions outside the US). It’s indistinguishable from biological weapon creation research except the guys who really do that don’t publish their results in journals, it’s something only true mad scientists would do, so that trope has more than a grain of truth.

    Oh, and Saint Fauci publicly supports this “research,” and after paying the Wuhan Institute of Virology to collect exotic bat viruses for 4-5 year, then paid them to do gain of function research…. The extreme resistance to even consider the possibility that the source of COVID-19 is a lab accident comes from no only the directly guilty parties, at minimum of doing something stupendously stupid, but the fear our ruling trash will realize just how dangerous this research and no doubt some other research, will then Shut It Down and in general subject them to a much tighter regulatory regime.

    If it continues, we might not be as lucky next time, although lethality cuts against transmission, since dead people don’t breathe etc.

  32. Thomasina says:

    I read recently (can’t recall where) that the average length of stay for people in old-age homes was six months. So, yes, they weren’t long on this planet, anyway.

  33. Thomasina says:

    Masks, the new “duck and cover”.

    Coronaviruses mutate. They’re smart. There has never been a successful, long-term vaccine against a coronavirus. Fauci is even admitting that there will be a new strain that will evade vaccines.

    Early on, there was an advisory against even using Aspirin (a known blood thinner) for Covid symptoms. Too bad, because many people died of blood clots.

    Even the drug that President Trump said he was taking (for which he was tarred and feathered for mentioning) was being used successfully by emergency room doctors (until they were either fired or under threat of losing their jobs). This particular drug is cheap, off-patent, and could have saved lives if given in the EARLY stages.

    Coincidentally…coincidentally…(did I say “coincidentally”)…this particular drug was suddenly and quietly upgraded two days before the November 3rd election. Suspicious timing.

    The other cheap, off-patent drug, which appears to be highly effective from the early to late stages, was miraculously upgraded on the day of Joe Biden’s inauguration, January 20, 2021. It can now be used by doctors.

    The problem is that the FDA wanted to be able to issue EUA’s (Emergency Use Authorizations) to Big Pharma, and by law they are prevented from issuing EUA’s if there are “adequate, approved, and available alternatives”. These cheap drugs, which people have been taking for decades, would have been “available alternatives”, but Big Pharma wouldn’t have been able to make windfall profits. Decisions, decisions!

    The National Institute of Health and other public health agencies could have, early on, tested the efficacy of these cheap drugs on Covid. They did not do this, on purpose. You can understand Big Pharma not wanting to do the testing because there was no profit motive in it for them (as these are off-patent drugs), but NIH could and should have done the testing. Instead, they spent their time screaming at anyone who mentioned these cheap drugs.

    And now the powers that be are saying that the PCR tests are not effective because they produce too many false positives, exactly what the inventor of the PCR test and others have said all along. But these false positives served a purpose: huge numbers of infected were registered, causing fear and panic in the public. Made it easier to issue the no-liability EUA’s to Big Pharma.

    Many people have been unnecessarily MURDERED. Heads should roll.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @ken
  34. @anon

    Masks, the new “duck and cover”.

    Which is still relevant, as shown in that recent meteorite crash in Russia, a teacher who remember her Cold War lessons was able to keep her class from harm by following it. You live in a binary world, whereas the real one is analog, often many things between all and nothing.

    Coronaviruses mutate. They’re smart. There has never been a successful, long-term vaccine against a coronavirus. Fauci is even admitting that there will be a new strain that will evade vaccines.

    Everything mutates. Coronaviruses actually have a unique among RNA viruses proofreading mechanism; if you want to attribute “smartness” to a bit of lipids, proteins, and RNA go ahead, but it doesn’t add anything to the discussion.

    Your next sentence is a lie by omission, no one has ever tried really hard for a SARS like coronavirus vaccine, and the common cold ones don’t merit the effort. But Oxford’s first try, Phase I clinical trial for MERS started in December just before we started learning COVID-19 was stalking Wuhan. I was able to find two other Phase I trials, an impractical US vaccine (needs a machine), and a German one which produced papers but as far as I know has not had any input into COVID-19 vaccines.

    If you believe a single world coming out of Fauci “including ‘and’ and ‘the’” there’s no hope for you. But here he’s likely right, this is a novel virus, it’s still early in the process of adapting better to humans although it started out very suspiciously very well adapted. So we’ve long been anticipating a second or perhaps further round of vaccines will be needed until it runs out of ways it can outfox our adaptive immune systems, especially since normal public health methods like quarantine are beyond the pale xenophobia in the West.

    And now the powers that be are saying that the PCR tests are not effective because they produce too many false positives, exactly what the inventor of the PCR test and others have said all along.

    I tracked down the latter claim and it’s a blatant lie. I guess I’ll have to track down “the powers that be” who are now claiming lots of false positives instead of my depending on the theory, that is zero time infinity is still zero. Unless it’s the WHO and CDC, see the above comments about listening to Fauci, except for the CDC’s tallying of all cause mortality, which along with hospitalization capacity are the only really solid statistics I think are worth tracking. BTW, now that we’ve been vaccinating people in my local area, while correlation does not imply causation, the number hospitalized has dropped by half in a short time, absent that vaccine intervention this was absolutely not predicted.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @Thomasina
  35. Thomasina says:

    “WHO Finally Admits COVID-19 PCR Test Has a ‘Problem’. The WHO’s new guidance, which includes lower PCR thresholds, almost guarantees COVID “case” numbers will automatically drop dramatically around the world.

    “In an “inauguration” of its own while Joe Biden was being sworn into office, the World Health Organization (WHO) initiated new rules regarding the PCR assays used for testing for COVID-19.

    Even though they’ve been widely used across the U.S. and around the world to determine who has a positive case of COVID, PCR assays are not designed to be used as diagnostic tools, as they can’t distinguish between inactive viruses and “live” or reproductive ones.

    Besides that, previously, the WHO had recommended 45 “amplification” cycles of the test to determine whether someone was positive for COVID or not.

    The thing is, the more cycles that a test goes through, the more likely that a false positive will come up — anything over 30 cycles actually magnifies the samples so much that even insignificant sequences of viral DNA end up being magnified to the point that the test reads positive even if your viral load is extremely low or the virus is inactive and poses no threat to you or anyone else.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-finally-admits-covid-19-pcr-test-problem/5735107

    WHO’s Information Notice dated January 20, 2021:

    https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

    • Thanks: The King is a Fink
  36. Thomasina says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    “But here he’s likely right, this is a novel virus, it’s still early in the process of adapting better to humans although it started out very suspiciously very well adapted.”

    Suspiciously very well adapted. The National Institute of Health was funding that Wuhan lab, weren’t they? Fauci played a part in this. Was this why it was “suspiciously very well adapted”?

  37. @That Would Be Telling

    Quite recently, I put together a consortium to apply for funds to develop a small solar panel to place under the skin to power internal devices. The Russian side had the light sensitive panel and the UK side the antenna. It can be done. We didn’t get the funds. Perhaps we should apply to Gates?

    There is a problem with all devices that rely on light transmission through the skin. For example, needle free diabetes monitors. There is one built into the Apple watch. It is deactivated. They all work less well on dark skin. No device manufacturer wants to bring out a device that doesn’t work for dark coloured people, just for paper whites. We had a skin “cleaning” process but this was socially problematic.

    So dark skinned people are not easily microchipped even if the stories were true.

  38. Call me pathologically suspicious, but does anyone else think that the constant focus on ‘at risk populations’ and ‘religious types’ refusing to get the vaccine is intentionally patronizing?

    Maybe they’re really saying “you know all those people that you can’t admit tend to make bad decisions? They’re not taking the vaccine — so you should, because despite what you say out loud, you know you’re smarter than them.”

    Devilishly clever propaganda if that’s the case.

  39. Thomasina says:

    “Why Would the US Have Funded the Controversial Wuhan Lab?

    Newsweek recently put out some surprising reports that the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) had funded the controversial Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The WIV is the level four research facility suspected by some of being a possible source for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

    Anyone with a vague sense of current events would, understandably, be concerned that COVID-19 might have been produced through this research. The connections to the NIH would also be unsettling, offering the possibility that the U.S. government may be complicit, having unnecessarily “outsourced” dangerous research. Although strong denials by both Chinese and American officials and several pieces of scientific research have concluded COVID-19 is not man-made, the connection between the NIH and WIV still behooves critical examination. Why would the NIH want to fund the WIV to begin with?”

    https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/why-would-the-us-have-funded-the-controversial-wuhan-lab/

  40. @That Would Be Telling

    There have been production problems, of the sort which happen in all manufacturing.

    This seems to be a very important story that nobody will write: If Covid is The World’s Most Important Problem Ever, then exactly why can’t we make all the vaccine we need right now?

    What are the alleged bottlenecks and why can’t they be overcome by simply throwing money at the problem? Does it perhaps have something to do with the contracts and financial incentives of the manufacturers? Or perhaps that they are sitting on technology that they won’t license to others? Or what?

    If we had an actual functioning media they might look into this. Maybe they will get on it when they can figure out how to blame Trump for whatever the facts are.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  41. @Hypnotoad666

    If money could fix technical manufacturing issues, Intel wouldn’t be in existential danger from mostly failing to negotiate what’s now two smaller process nodes. That’s a people problem, so see Pfizer and its Trump Deranged small hat executive(s) who absolutely refused to have anything to do with Operation Warp Speed (OWS) except for a contract for 100 million doses contingent on their getting an EUA by the end of 2020. Then in the end of 2020 they started announcing out of the blue they were going to miss their production commitments. Now it’s claimed they’re working with OWS to address their claimed supply chain issues, although that doesn’t seem to fix with shutting down for a while their European manufacturing.

    Otherwise you should do some more reading on this sort of thing, there are for example dependency issues, you need A to make B to make C, in the software field we like the metaphor that you can’t get a baby conceived and born in a month with nine women. You’re also demanding instant, massive performance increases in time measured in weeks, which is not constructive.

    And I’m sure there’s some stuff happens behind the scenes. For example, there’s a mandatory 14 day sterility test once a lot is finished, and if anything grows, you have to dump the whole lot. So there’s both a necessary delay there and just one thing that can cause waste. Which blinding dumping a lot of money into the problem would only increase; you want to improve things for real, put a Leslie Groves in charge. Except it seems we’re all out of them, certainly ones willing to sign up for such a job.

    Or a TL;DR: addressing a plague in the middle of a civil war will never go well; here it’s first and foremost a cudgel for the Left to use against their enemies, “even libertarians.”

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  42. @That Would Be Telling

    good comments. Cells don’t replicate faster if you pay them more.

  43. dearieme says:
    @James Thompson

    Cells don’t replicate faster if you pay them more

    Quite right – and neither do good ideas for solving manufacturing problems.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  44. @dearieme

    If erverything would be doable, we’d run out of problems – and would have no cure for that then. Life is strange (The world is stuffed with strangeness – Goethe said that).

    • Replies: @dearieme
  45. @James Thompson

    Thanks! Not well edited, past my bedtime. But thinking some more, the Pfizer European factory shutdown smells. The best I can guess is that something about that facility is just wrong, and requires some sort of major change.

    Maybe they don’t have enough space, or the arrangement of rooms is wrong or sub-optimal, both of which should have been realized long before. Maybe the yield is disappointing, likely in the final creation step where the mRNA gets its lipid protection, or in the chain that takes that and ends up with a bunch of ultra cold frozen vials, the latter might require them to combine two facilities, but it was long known this is a particularly physically fragile vaccine. Or perhaps the facility is not sterile enough and they’re having to dump too many lots after testing, which also wastes scare bottling components. In any case, it suggests they must move or replace equipment in such a way they’re officially stopping production.

    Weasel word because for example in the US there’s at least two Pfizer facilities involved in the manufacturing here, where “bags” of something get transported from the first to the second. For these vaccines, the steps are roughly make a lot of DNA, transcribe that into a lot of mRNA, precisely mix with lipids to get micelles, excuse me, solid lipid nanoparticles, since the latter sounds fancy compared to what soaps and detergents do, and then bottle and freeze. And of course testing at various stages.

    AZ on the other hand, if you’d like more wild guesses soon I can look up what’s required to make replication deficient viruses as your end product, otherwise I’m gating that on if/when Janssen applies for an FDA EUA for their same style vaccine, or when the FDA approves it. Which could eventually be a game changer for the US, but for now they too are having a significant production shortfall for when they’ll be able to finish their first set of 12 million doses for the US.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  46. Thomasina says:
    @James Thompson

    But it appears that vaccines DO replicate if you pay them more, even when they may be unnecessary.

    Two cheap, safe, off-patent drugs were just sitting on the shelf, begging for the National Institutes of Health to test them against this coronavirus, but they chose not to.

    Emergency room doctors were crying out that these drugs worked . They were fired or told to shut up.

    Why?

    Follow the money.

    I find it interesting that “vaccines” that never went through proper procedures (animal testing, trials) are being promoted by health authorities and sought after by the public.

    They’re just accepted as a “GIVEN” now.

    Goes to show that if you scare people, throw enough propaganda behind something, get industry shills to lie (or omit important information), you can sell the lie.

    Sell on.

  47. dearieme says:
    @Dieter Kief

    At the time of the referendum the Remainers assured me that I’d never even be allowed to think about anything Goethe said if the Leavers won. Nor look at a Rembrandt, nor listen to Mozart, …

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  48. @dearieme

    Nor be able to assert that Leibniz had something to say about calculus.

  49. @dearieme

    Handelsblatt reports, that Germany owns decent junks of Biontec and Curevac, the two German vaccine firms (500 billion Euros have been spent so far, another 2250 billion are ready when needed to speed up the actual production of the vaccines).

    https://www.handelsblatt.com/technik/medizin/corona-impfung-biontech-erhaelt-vom-bund-bis-zu-375-millionen-euro-fuer-impfstoffentwicklung/26188636.html?ticket=ST-1206153-7CVCsu2BDfJKLmxGfpek-ap1

    Now comes the fun part: The German government decided to let the EU decide which country gets the vaccines – and when.

    Italy had already a headline in the press saying: To vaccinate makes free, written over the entrance of Auschwitz on a photoshopped photograph of – the entrance door of Auschwitz indeed.

    (I’m used to this kind of buffoonery, but even though – this last Italian move did hit me from below (while I was aching from laughter, ok, but nevertheless- and it sure helped Angela Merkel to make her supercautious decision in ever so submissive – European – – solidarity)).

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  50. @James Thompson

    New wild idea for why Pfizer is shutting down their plant in Belgium “to increase production capacity”: reading up on the AZ EU mess, it comes down to the EU inserting itself into a deal already in progress and adding two or more months delay, plus also insisting manufacturing be done in the EU. So in the U.K., AZ with a contract in hand had a three month head start untangling mass manufacturing, there’s always going to be snarls of one sort or another. Whereas the EU based plants, I think I read there are four of them, are the least productive ones making Oxford’s vaccine (that could should include at least trial production in the US, they worked with Operation Warp Speed and got a potentially huge order, but their US strength and hopefully competence Phase III trail has been delayed).

    So now the EU, having catastrophically failed in timeliness and being willing to spend money on minor things like socialized medicine!!! (bad words of art in the US :-), and also making a huge 50% or greater bet on Sanofi/GSK which totally failed is getting very “nasty, vindictive” (Farage). And among other things threatening to keep all the vaccine Pfizer makes inside it, or maybe just embargoing shipments to the U.K. So WRT to your next post, who knows how long it will take before you can get your second dose, and that’s yet another reason for the U.K. to switch how it uses the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the government very possibly anticipated this train wreck. (Another reason? We may need a second round vaccine soon, so it could well make more sense to use up all of this first round’s doses ASAP like that.)

    So back to the factory: if I was a sufficiently sinister Pfizer CEO, I might be crating up all the not easily replaced machinery, could be pretty small in volume and weight, and smuggling it outside the EU…. Although how well that might work depends on supply chains, but if you’re outside the EU’s control, you’re in a better bargaining position to get any stuff you need from inside it. On the other hand, a new or changed factory should need regulatory approval, don’t know how that works in the EU/EMA context, but the U.K. can now move relatively quickly. And is the EU the only entity that doesn’t “get” this is a seller’s market?

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  51. @brabantian

    I presume Dr Prego Cancelo is worried that the vaccine will render women infertile!*

    * due to the similarity between the protein spike against which the vaccine mobilises the immune system and a protein called syncytin-1 which at day 4 after conception is essential to placental development.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncytin-1#Placental_development

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  52. @dearieme

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18609000.conspiracy-theories-rumours-bradford-ahead-coronavirus-vaccine-trials/

    He also wrote about a healthcare assistant at the hospital, who didn’t want to be named, who has seen Covid patients on the ward, but still believes many of the conspiracy theories online and will not watch ‘mainstream media’ reports.

    She said she feels there’s a “big lie in the world”.

    Giselle Rwegema, is a TB nurse at St Luke’s Hospital and does volunteer work with East African refugees.

    She said many believe that the vaccine is “a way of getting rid of black people” and a video claiming the vaccine would be trialled on very poor people in Africa was shared by millions.

    One young mother, Corrine, said she would not have a vaccine.

    She said: “Because obviously, me being black and everything that we know about the work that’s going on to just take a black number down – that’s been going on for years and I wouldn’t take it just based on that, because there are so many things that will be hidden in the vaccine.”

    The reality is that the black population of the world has increased enormously in the last 70 years, mostly due to scientific and medical advances made by white people. Seventy years ago, the populations of Europe and Africa were the same size.

    But absolutely no one in power is going to point this out.

    (Another thing no one will point out is that by the early 70s, TB had been eliminated in the UK and there were no longer any “TB nurses” – until we started importing it again).

  53. @YetAnotherAnon

    I presume Dr Prego Cancelo is worried that the vaccine will render women infertile!*

    * due to the similarity between the protein spike against which the vaccine mobilises the immune system and a protein called syncytin-1….

    One issue with this thesis what are the effects of natural infections, in which the virus uses the very same spike protein with that same small section that’s like synctyin-1?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Anonymous
  54. @That Would Be Telling

    I’m sorry. It was a joke on her rather wonderful name.

    I agree with your point. If it’s possible the vaccination stimulates the immune system to attack syncytin-1, then it’s possible actual CV19 infection could do the same.

    If so it would be an amazing biological weapon that the Wuhan lab cooked up, straight out of a John Wyndham novel, and no wonder the Chinese lockdowns were so severe.

    The fact is that “there is no evidence” – because while someone in the NHS will (hopefully) be looking at births (or lack of) to people who have tested positive for CV19, we weren’t doing enough testing early on, so many cases not involving hospitalisation will have been missed – and pregnancy takes nine months.

    The data exists, and Public Health England will have access it to it. It would be an interesting Freedom of Information request – “How many women of child-bearing age who have tested positive for CV19 (and were not pregnant when tested) have since reported a pregnancy to their GP?

  55. @That Would Be Telling

    Yes, it ought to be a seller’s market, but EU can argue that they are a very big buyer of high margin medicines, so need to be moved to the front of the queue despite being a late arrival. AstraZeneca has to decide whether to face them down.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  56. @YetAnotherAnon

    I’m sorry. It was a joke on her rather wonderful name.

    Woops! I missed that the first time. Sorry in turn.

    I agree with your point. If it’s possible the vaccination stimulates the immune system to attack syncytin-1, then it’s possible actual CV19 infection could do the same.

    If so it would be an amazing biological weapon that the Wuhan lab cooked up, straight out of a John Wyndham novel, and no wonder the Chinese lockdowns were so severe.

    Although there’s no sign yet that’ll save them from their self-induced demographic crash. And if this turns out to be the case, even through I don’t think it’s a bioweapon, or at least a finished one, the long term consequences to the PRC and CCP could and should be grave.

    The fact is that “there is no evidence” – because while someone in the NHS will (hopefully) be looking at births (or lack of) to people who have tested positive for CV19, we weren’t doing enough testing early on, so many cases not involving hospitalisation will have been missed – and pregnancy takes nine months.

    The data exists, and Public Health England will have access it to it. It would be an interesting Freedom of Information request – “How many women of child-bearing age who have tested positive for CV19 (and were not pregnant when tested) have since reported a pregnancy to their GP?”

    Not sure data that raw is useful; here in the US a lot of people are said to be putting off pregnancies because of the extreme uncertainties of everything, from health, hospital capacity when going into labor, jobs and the economy, etc. You really want “how many are trying and succeeding or failing,” and that gets pretty personal.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  57. dearieme says:
    @James Thompson

    AstraZeneca has to decide whether to face them down.

    The usual behaviour in such affairs is that corporations act like cowards.

    So maybe we should just nuke Berlin and Brussels. What’s the forecast wind direction?

    • Replies: @Lol
  58. dearieme says:

    Golly, this area doesn’t lack for twists and turns.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/28/novavax-jab-89-per-cent-effective-combats-kent-variant-trial/

    The results will now be submitted to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and if approved, the jab will become the fourth available for use in Britain.

    Britain has already secured 60 million doses of the vaccine, which will be produced at Stockton on Tees.

    https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-demonstrates-893-efficacy-uk-phase-3

  59. @That Would Be Telling

    I’m sure a lot of people are putting off babies because of economic uncertainty, but there still should be enough pregnancies to disprove (or prove) the idea.

    I know for a fact that some young women in the care/health sectors are refusing the vaccine because of fertility fears. You’d think that governments would publicise post-infection or post-vaccination pregnancies to allay these fears.

    btw, I wouldn’t worry about the Chinese demographic crash – there are still an awful lot of them, and making babies is an enjoyable process, even if raising them’s more challenging.

    One thing that makes me feel better about the Pfizer jab is that the Israelis, who care a great deal about demography, are jabbing as fast as they can.

    • Replies: @ken
  60. Yes, good news, and a very clear advantage to Britain. Once we have vaccinated the priority groups (say by mid February) we can then do all adults over 55, and should be able to vaccinate the remaining adults by late summer at the very latest.

  61. @Dieter Kief

    Sorry – millions, not billions – millions of Euro: 500 – and 250 more to secure production.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  62. @Dieter Kief

    Sorry – millions, not billions – millions of Euro: 500 – and 250 more to secure production.

    Ah, yeah, I kinda blipped over that units error.

    But I’m making this comment to emphasize that money is a necessary but not sufficient part of increasing production, you also need many other things like competence and supply chains, even if you just have to build more of the latter than you’d like to. And for things like glass vials, you’re just going to have to place orders with existing vendors, unless you think this is going to be a long game and you want another source.

    Probably easier to do like Operation Warp Speed (OWS) and pay someone like Corning … ha ha, the memory holing of Trump is on full blast, the US Health and Human Services (HHS) department page on OWS has been purged, but from memory it was $204 million for a special kind of glass for vials, I think this one. I know there are some good glass makers in the EU like Arcoroc, so I’d hope there’s at least one specialist in this sort of thing there.

    Anyway, the TL;DR is that there’s lots of moving parts making vaccines, you need to cover them all as OWS tried from primary drug companies like Moderna down to the supply chains they depend on (Pfizer refused their help until after multiple production delays, we’ll see what actually happens). And to avoid making this too US centric in benefits, the more we expand our own internal capacity, the less we depend on stuff from the outside, and we should reach a tipping point sometime this year where our big multiple parallel bets allow us to export vaccines because we’ll have taken care of our own needs.

  63. @TG

    Yeah well, I’m getting vaccinated, mostly because I am just sick of the lockdown and hope (hope) that this will lead to a return to at least sort-of normal.

    With all of the evidence pointing to Covid as being nothing more than the flu, and the overwhelming number of doctors who strongly discourage taking ANY mRNA vaccine – you feel the need to get vaccinated. (and btw, mRNA payloads are not classified as vaccines, neither by Pfizer, Moderna, Astrazeneca). At any rate, good luck to you.

  64. gotmituns says:
    @TG

    return to at least sort-of normal.
    ———————————————————–
    Sir, you are just getting started. They will give you this vaccine and there will be endless “booster” shots in the future. You’ll need the latest booster shot to get anything done or do anything. When they’re done with you, one of the booster shots will kill you.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  65. Bert says:

    Some allowance might have be made for this, if true, having happened in 1932, and steps having been taken to prevent a re-occurrence of this perversion of medicine.

    As someone who has investigated every repurposed drug, OTC drug, vitamin and mineral supplement, and herbal preparation that has been proposed in the Third World medical literature for Covid treatment and prophylaxis, I believe that the European and North American medical establishments’ willingness to let hundreds of thousands die rather than adopting early treatment protocols available in May last year, and improving constantly since then, disallows any trust in Big Medicine.

    The crime against humanity described above is a far greater perversion of medicine than even the horrific Tuskegee experiment. The physicians behind Tuskegee made a single decision not to treat and subsequently were not confronted about it. In 2020 Big Medicine actively fought against proposed early treatments, knowing all the time that its policy was causing death and economic devastation. It perverted journal editorial policies, spread anti-treatment stories to the media, failed to initiate trials of promising treatments, and harassed physicians who were using off-label drugs for Covid.

    Given Big Medicine’s recent perversion, any careful person would review a lot of evidence before taking its vaccine.

    • Agree: Mark Hunter
    • Replies: @Anon
  66. onebornfree says: • Website

    Oh. My. Gawd.

    Thompson has obviously not twigged to the fact that there is no virus!

    It’s really very simple. No SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been laboratory isolated, [ as the CDC, Pfizer, and others have all now admitted], and therefor, no effective vaccine can ever be invented to combat it!

    “When investigator Fran Leader questioned Pfizer they confirmed: ‘The DNA template does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person’.”And there we are, right back where I started, some time ago. If you don’t have the isolated virus, how can you claim you’ve sequenced it? And if you’ve sequenced it by ASSUMPTION and GUESS, how can you claim the sequence—or the virus—is real?” See: The “Covid Virus Is Real” Scam:
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2021/01/onebornfrees-special-scam-alerts-no164.html

    No regards, onebornfree

  67. Lol says:

    This is easy to tackle. Make it illegal to provide healthcare services to people who refuse being vaccinated. You don’t play by the rules of civilization, you don’t reap it’s benefits.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  68. Lol says:
    @NomadDaddy

    There are millions of doctors on this planet, you’ll find an overwhelming number of quacks supporting any assertion

  69. Publius 2 says:

    99.6% recovery rate.

    Average age of death: 82

    Masks cause people to be in danger of bacterial infections.

    My body my choice.

    It’s the common cold.

    There is no such thing as asymptotic transmission.

    The face diaper is a muzzle and the purpose is control and humiliation.

    I learned not to touch my face decades ago.

    We are surrounded by sheep.

    Fuck these people.

  70. Lol says:
    @dearieme

    The wind direction is towards you sucking Belgian d*ck until you choke on it.

  71. “So, intended vaccination rejection by ethnicity is: Black 70%, Pakistani/Bangladeshi 30%, Indian 16%, White 14%.”

    Most likely, the only reason for Indians coming in at higher number than White is that among those Indians from India are Muslims included in their count otherwise, that percentage should be lower than 14%.

    And the reason Bangladeshis are doing so well educationally is because they didn’t convert their language to the Arabic script but retained the Devanagari (Hindu) script of their forebears, notwithstanding their Islamic faith, unlike the idiots of Pakistan (now they’re just as dumb as the Arabs).

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  72. More Evidence of Targetted Assassinations! 

    Vaccines to Exterminate Seniors, to Save Corrupt Government Employees, University Professors, and the Medical Mafia! We Can’t Have 23 Million Overpaid Government Employees and Non Working Seniors! Would You Rather, Save Seniors, Or Continue to Overpay Corrupt, Incompetent, Lazy Government Employees That Refuse to Do Their Jobs and Abide by the Constitution?! 

    They Are the Persistence Which Must Be Met With Resistance!
    Their Lifesyles Are Crime Against Humanity! MICIMATT InfraGard Cult  of Corruption!

    CNA James, whose video the criminal psychopathic hacker prevented me from watching, has stated that people are dropping like flies from vaccines in the nursing home that James is employed in.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/cna-nursing-home-whistleblower-seniors-dying-like-flies-after-covid-injections-speak-out/5735639

    As I have previously reported:

    Well, It sure as hell appears that the vaccines are killing many more people than they are reporting because on November 16, 2020 there were 2,487,350 annual total deaths until November 16,2020. Verses 2.7 million to 2.9 million total deaths per year between 2015 and 2019. On December 22,2021, they report that there have been 3.2 million total deaths in America. So, between November 16,2020, and December 22,2021 there were 712,650 deaths. So, once again, medical error is the third leading cause of death in America, but they are claiming that it is covid. It is their treatment and prevention of covid that is responsible for far more deaths than covid! Of course they claim that the Novemeber numbers might not be accurate, because it is nearly impossible for the government employees to be able to count to over two million and get it right the first time. That is just expecting far more from government employees than they are capable of doing!

    https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/11/facebook-posts/chart-comparing-2020-us-death-toll-previous-years-/

    Andrea Iravani

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
  73. You’d have to be a lunatic to believe that a rushed to market “vaccine”, that skipped animal trials and was indemnified by the authorities over any adverse reactions… like…eh… killing you, would help in any way. Talk about the blind leading the blind.

  74. theMann says:

    Never let it be said that Ron Unz lacks a sense of humor, publishing this article one day after Nick Kollerstrom’s!

    Using the word “trust” in the same sentence, or even article, as vaccine, medical community, or my new favorite obscenity, “medical ethics” is just hilarious.

    • Agree: Bert
  75. “The rest of the story” on the attempt to turn us all into human GMO’s, not just the propaganda B.S. you get from articles like this and the global Lügenpresse.


    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @ImaBotKnot
  76. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    Yet another government / big pharma worshiping idiot bites the dust. [A good way to get rid of idiots, I suppose]: “Cali. X-ray tech “excited” to get shot dies after receiving 2nd dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine”:
    “On Tuesday, Orange County x-ray technician Tim Zook, 60, was reportedly thrilled to receive the second round of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, posting on his Facebook wall, “Never been so excited to get a shot before. I am now fully vaccinated after receiving my 2nd Pfizer dose…But just hours later, Zook began experiencing severe adverse reactions in the form of abdominal pain and difficulty breathing.“His health spiraled downward and he died four days later,” reports Fox 32 Chicago…..”

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-30-xray-tech-dies-receiving-2nd-dose-pfizer.html

    Regards, onebornfree

  77. Again, masks end when blacks decide they are tired of wearing them. This will likely start in the fall when kids go back to school and school administrators are still trying to enforce daily mask wear (as they are now in schools that are already back, but it is mainly white schools in rural areas that are back now).

    By fall, if and when the majority of schools are back in session, there is no way on the earth black kids are going to wear masks all day–especially as it makes talking loudly, hootin’ and hollerin’ in the hallways and all that jazz, much more difficult and subdued. Their disposal of the face diapers will not be subject to discipline, and because it will be out in the open and plain for all to see (unlike discipline records, low grades and rape records, all covered under “privacy” laws), eventually none of the kids will wear them, unless they really want to, or their parents are making a big deal about them wearing them (notifying the school, etc).

    This all could end if Blacks (and probably Latinos) just said they were “too tired” of all this pandemic and started violating the mandates whenever they wanted.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
  78. @Temporary Insanity

    And the reason Bangladeshis are doing so well educationally is because they didn’t convert their language to the Arabic script but retained the Devanagari (Hindu) script of their forebears, notwithstanding their Islamic faith, unlike the idiots of Pakistan (now they’re just as dumb as the Arabs).

    Strange assertion. Iranians/Persians are the most successful, educated & creative Islamic people- and they adopted a modified Arabic script.

    From what I know, Iranians would be better off if they decided to ditch the Arabic script & either re-introduce their ancient script, or adopt a slightly modified Roman one, better suited for that Indo-European language. But, it’s up to them …

    • Replies: @Temporary Insanity
  79. @InnerCynic

    You’d have to be a lunatic to believe that a rushed to market “vaccine”, that skipped animal trials

    We’d have to be a lunatic to believe someone who’s claims are based on lies like any of these vaccine skipping animal testing.

    Now, BioNTech and Moderna did famously start their animal and human trials at the same time which paid off fantastically, based on a lot of prior research into vaccines by them, and by a lot of people into SARS type vaccines, but why would it be vaguely credible they’d skip required animal testing all together.

  80. @Lol

    I’m not sure being harmed or even killed by a severely under tested vaccine falls into the category of a benefit . From what I’m seeing, you uninformed folks who take the jab will be needing all that extra medical care afforded you by following the rules of civilization.
    Cheers

  81. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @brabantian

    Thank you.

    People who wanna get vaccinated should, and the rest of us who dont should be allowed to take our life into our own hands. Our choice. Im getting daily sublight, zinc, and ginger and going about the business of life. We have lost a full year that we can never get back.

  82. GoodTwin says:

    In the US it is White liberals that are most susceptible to the MSM fear campaign and allowing it to impact their daily lives. They seem to not notice for the mist part that the other ethnic groups are going about there social lives just fine with no catastrophe. Naturally these people want the shot so ” COVID can be over.” For the less trusting populations COVID has already been over for months so why sign on to be Big Pharma’s Guinea pig? Plenty of dumb Whites to do that for them.

  83. Marckus says:

    The City hospital is just a 10 minute drive away. I pass there on a regular basis to do my chores and there is less activity than before the virus propaganda began. Staff have been sent home as there is no work to be done. There are security guards at the emergency entrance but what are they guarding ? Who are they keeping out ? There is no traffic going into the hospital.

    January to March 2020 Emergency vehicle sirens blaring every hour were part of the city scope. Now there is silence.

    Single masks dont work
    Double masks dont work
    Social distancing does not work
    Lockdowns do not work
    Vaccines it seems do not work
    Second doses are required
    Are people dying from the vaccines ?
    Now there is a slowdown in vaccine production ?
    And a slowdown in delivering the vaccines ?

    What a colossal sham ! Now it looks like neighbours are snitching on neighbours and family members on each other. The Police, instead of chasing violent criminals are showing up at Grandpa’s birthday to arrest everyone and drag them into courts already overburdened by violent bad boys and girls.

    Somehow it seems to me that this “virus” has slipped the leash and escaped the control of the powers that be. Being the hoax it is and was meant to be there are just too many variables to control. The dog now runs the owner.

    What a God awful mess.

    • Agree: theMann
  84. @NomadDaddy

    With all of the evidence pointing to Covid as being nothing more than the flu

    If so, the worst flu pandemic since 1918-19, several times worse than the late 1950s and 1960s ones, and with attitudes like your’s, we might just exceed the Spanish flu even after adjusting for population.

    and btw, mRNA payloads are not classified as vaccines, neither by Pfizer, Moderna, Astrazeneca

    An obvious lie, seeing as how AZ has no mRNA vaccine. You’re also grossly ignorant of how live virus vaccines like AZ/Oxford’s work, they’re all means to an end of generating mRNA that is transcribed into desired virus proteins, simulating as closely as possible an actual wild type virus infection.

    Learn some molecular genetics before repeating stuff you know nothing about. As a start, DNA->mRNA->proteins, how the AZ/Oxford, Janssen (J&J) and Sputnik V adenovirus vector vaccines work. mRNA vaccines skip the step of splicing DNA that codes for the spike protein into replication deficient DNA virus vectors, are conceptually the simplest COVID-19 vaccines along with or after the PRC inactivated virus vaccines, one of which is claiming good results. Or just wait for Novavax’s protein plus adjuvant vaccine, or maybe Sanofi/GSK will get their attempt at such a vaccine to work by the end of this year.

  85. theMann says:
    @InnerCynic

    I would just agree, but I am out of agrees again, for you and Publius and onebornfree…..

    There is no point in continually citing the facts and making good points to the collection of hysterical cowards and low grade morons who have 100% bought into the Covid Idiocy. They made a permanent move to their new address and they cannot, and will not, ever find their way back from the land of hysterical cowards. The first necessary step would be to admit that they have been had, they have been afraid, and they have been used for months now. This they can never do, BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY TOO MONUMENTALLY PRIDEFUL TO DO SO. It is not for nothing that Pride is the worst sin, that feeds all others.

    But be of good cheer! A year from today there will be more people of Reason, and far fewer people of Cowardice, then there are today. And as for all of the truly invincible fools lining up to get the “vaccine”, in the immortal words of Vilos Cohaagen:

    “Fuck ’em. Let ’em die.”

    The facts were there. They were told.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  86. @onebornfree

    Thompson has obviously not twigged to the fact that there is no virus!

    It’s really very simple. No SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been laboratory isolated, [ as the CDC, Pfizer, and others have all now admitted], and therefor, no effective vaccine can ever be invented to combat it!

    A blatant lie, for example see here to get the CDC’s finest cultures of the virus.

    “When investigator Fran Leader questioned Pfizer they confirmed: ‘The DNA template does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person’.”

    Of course not, because that’s not needed when you can develop your vaccine candidate over a weekend like Moderna from PRC published mRNA sequences, which of course came from viruses isolated from infected people. You’ve got a literally pre-1953 understanding of molecular genetics. It would also be malpractice to for example not add some “some molecular twist ties” to the spike protein to avoid antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).

    And in general, the anti-vaxxers here need to learn the concept of risk/benefit tradeoffs.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @RT
    , @MGB
  87. JxA says:

    Genetically altering your cells to provoke your immune system… what could go wrong?

    Imagine a vacinne so safe you will be forced to take it for a virus so deadly you must be tested to even know you have it.

    And thanks for the free pharmaceutical sales pitch, James Thompson. The UK is a bizarre cult, like a woke version of North Korea. The British always seem the most bigoted and puritanical adherents to globohomo extremism. It’s like the BBC is the de facto state religion of these debased and degenerate people. They just haven’t been the same since they collaberated with communists and fire bombed Dresden.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  88. Isn’t Pfizer currently working on an updated vaccine due to concerns that the current one won’t work on new mutations of Covid? If so, what exactly is the point of the vaccine? Submission? It seem the J&J one doesn’t require freezing and is one jab. Despite only having a 66% effectiveness, it apparently lessens the symptoms and hospitalization. In other words a vaccine that sounds like it works with your immune system. Personally I avoid vaccines, and pharmaceutical medicine in general, but that J&J one intrigues me the most. My fearless prediction is it will never get approval for distribution. Someone spent money on creating this viral critter. Probably not for the reason of boosting the immune system. But hey good luck on getting trust of the plan…I mean vaccine.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  89. @gotmituns

    return to at least sort-of normal.
    ———————————————————–
    Sir, you are just getting started. They will give you this vaccine and there will be endless “booster” shots in the future. You’ll need the latest booster shot to get anything done or do anything. When they’re done with you, one of the booster shots will kill you.

    With that level of paranoia, you’re going to die as soon as you get a bacterial infection and refuse to take an antibiotic because, somehow, you’re important enough for the powers that be to want you dead.

    But in terms of “booster” doses, our adaptive immune system is smart enough to prepare for new mutations so we shouldn’t need many, this is fortunately not the flu which manages to evade our adaptive immune system locking onto “conserved” epitopes (small parts) of proteins. Conserved for the purposes of immunity means they can’t change much or “the virus won’t virus.” For enzymes a good analogy is their being a lock into which a key must fit more or less precisely.

    And to repeat from the most recent topic of Mr. Thompson’s, that above link points to perhaps my most important COVID-19 posting ever: There’s every sign at this point that for those of us willing to take vaccines and for whom they work the nightmare will be over fairly soon as novel pathogen pandemics go.

  90. @JxA

    Genetically altering your cells to provoke your immune system… what could go wrong?

    I need only repeat a comment on Mr. Thompson’s most recent topic: This lie again? Please explain how the fundamental paradigm of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins gets reversed with mRNA vaccines. For extra credit, think about how every live virus vaccine is a means to an end of generating mRNA to then make one or more viral proteins. For even more credit, explain how mRNA vaccines are uniquely capable of changing your DNA compared to getting a wild type RNA virus infection.

    Imagine a vacinne so safe you will be forced to take it for a virus so deadly you must be tested to even know you have it.

    Because we never test people in a clinical setting to know if they’ve got a more serious case of the flu or just “the common cold” from one of it 200 other virus strains?

    • Replies: @theMann
  91. onebornfree says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    You say: “A blatant lie, for example see here to get the CDC’s finest cultures of the virus.”

    The CDC says the virus isn’t “currently available.”

    “The CDC document is titled, “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” It was originally published in February, 2020, and re-published in July.

    Buried deep in the document, on page 39, in a section titled, “Performance Characteristics,” we have this:

    “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV [SARS-CoV-2] are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…”

    From: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/12/01/the-sars-cov-2-virus-was-never-proved-to-exist/

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  92. Read em’ and weep folks…
    Summary/Compilation of Adverse Reactions to COVID19 Vaccines
    https://ia801500.us.archive.org/8/items/cv19_adverse_reactions/cv19_adverse_reactions_012921.pdf

  93. They don’t have to know the truth about the Tuskeegee Experiments … the fact that it is in the folklore suffices.

    But as I posted elsewhere on UR …

    Why don’t we stop calling these concoctions vaccines? The mRNA cocktails are experimental genetic therapeutics.

    As for the rise of cases and deaths in places deploying these therapeutics, why are we surprised, when more than a few attempts at mRNA “vaccines” in the past have been halted after failing animal tests. The coyest explanation for the first SARS-Cov vaxx was that it was not economical to pursue as the problem had passed, with nary a mention of the dead test animals.

    The funniest “expert” comment about concerns of the genetic impact was from this, in the J-post:

    Brosh said that this does not mean the vaccine changes people’s genetic code. Rather, he said it is more like a USB device (the mRNA) that is inserted into a computer (your body). It does not impact the hard drive of the computer but runs a certain program.

    In hackerspace, this would be called a “bad USB.” I realise he is dumbing things down for the proles, but I can’t help but wonder if he is really telling the truth … they aren’t changing our cells’ genetic code per se, they’re just hijacking the “processors” like ribosomes and tRNA that interpret and run the code and thus screwing with what amino acids are converted by the cells into proteins.

    This is a pandemic, but so is the common cold, of which there are billions of cases every year with hundreds of thousands of related deaths … I’d love to see testing and case counts for people who died with a common cold or flu within the 28 days prior to death.

    My view of the political response to this is that it has gone way beyond blunder and is so intentionally wrong at this point to constitute a crime against humanity. In that context, the “vaccines” are like the experiments of Dr. Josef Mengele; just a piece of the bigger crime.

    • Agree: Georgia, theMann
  94. Covid-19 aka certificate of vaccination identification -19 , has never been isolated and even the CDC and the WHO admits it has never been isolated, ie it does not exist, it is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and in fact is a genocide agenda.

    The mRNA vaccines permanently alter the human DNA and it destroys the immune system and has never been approved by the FDA. These vaccines are a Jim Jones population reduction tool for the globlists who are behind this demonic , diabolic, draconian agenda.

    There are no shortages, this a psyop to stampede the sheeple into taking these genocide vaccinations.

  95. RT says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    What people need to learn, or rather re-learn, is the fundamental medical principle: Primo non nocere! – First do not do harm!
    Do not operate on a patient who have a chance to live longer without this operation, do not give drugs to treat minor ailments when those drugs will cause major ones, do not perform torturous procedures to someone who is dying….
    Do not do harm even to justify “trade offs”.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  96. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Thanks for that. Assuming you haven’t seen it yet, you might like Catherine Austin Fitts heavily banned “Planet Lockdown”, where she gives an excellent overview of what the real purpose of what she calls “the magic virus” actually is.

    Although I know that you already know that real purpose [as do I], still, she gives an excellent presentation- very clear , friendly, and easy to understand.

    Video “Planet Lockdown”: https://banned.video/watch?id=6015f75af3a1931739667ce6

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
  97. Refl says:

    the gains which have been made in vaccinating, and which will have reduced the population

    Now english is not my native language, but what does this sentence tell me?

    So in rejecting the vaccination I have an afinity with dump black people? I am as okay with it as could be.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  98. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    @ “As someone who has investigated every repurposed drug, OTC drug, vitamin and mineral supplement, and herbal preparation that has been proposed in the Third World medical literature for Covid treatment and prophylaxis, “

    So, which protocols are your keepers? My thoughts:

    1) Ivermectin. From personal experience, helps but not a silver bullet, needs something else also.
    2) Ivermectin + azyt. Know people who took it and saw relief. 12 mg Iver on day 1 and day 2. 500 mg of Azyt for three days.
    3) Ivermectin + doxycycline. I think it’s the new protocol cause of better synergy, but don’t know the details.
    4) HCQ + azit. HCQ 200 mgs 3x day. Azit, 500 mg on day 1, plus 250 mg next three days. The original protocol. I know a (not naive) great internist who got put off from HCQ because he got Covid, tried HCQ + azyt, but still got pneumonia. However, he took 200 mg Hcq a day, and good prognosis is related to HCQ concentration on day 2 of starting the protocol.

    Thoughts?

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    , @Bert
  99. Georgia says:
    @dearieme

    The only thing actually stated that the vaccine may do is a possible reduction of symptoms–nothing as to transmission etc.–why do nearly all articles, this one included, boldly mistate this fact clearly stated by the disclaimers given by the companies themselves?–These vaccines will not stop you catching or passing CVirus on — yet nearly universally this is stated in all articles — flat out mass misrepresentation– What is up with that?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @dearieme
  100. Georgia says:
    @The Alarmist

    Gates clearly said the “vaccines” are for depopulation — why not believe him? I do.

  101. @onebornfree

    Who has never heard of a thing called a calendar and can’t be bothered to follow links, I reinserted the one from my original:

    You say: “A blatant lie, for example see here to get the CDC’s finest cultures of the virus.

    From that CDC page:

    SARS-CoV-2 strains supplied by CDC and other researchers can be requested, free, from the Biodefense and Emerging Infections Research (BEI) Resources Repository by established institutions that meet BEI requirements.

    Which of course none of us meet, active scientists being too busy to fight trolls on the Internet. And let me quote the critical timeline:

    * On January 20, 2020, CDC received a clinical specimen collected from the first reported U.S. patient infected with SARS-CoV-2 [See below for how the timelines precisely intersect]. CDC immediately placed the specimen into cell culture to grow a sufficient amount of virus for study.

    * On February 2, 2020, CDC generated enough SARS-CoV-2 grown in cell culture to distribute to medical and scientific researchers.

    * On February 4, 2020, CDC shipped SARS-CoV-2 to the BEI Resources Repository.

    Back to @onebornfree and his NPC cut and paste job from some COVID-19 truther ur document, note the explanations in square brackets:

    The CDC says the virus isn’t “currently available.”

    “The CDC document is titled, “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” It was originally published in February, 2020, and re-published in July.

    Buried deep in the document, on page 39, in a section titled, “Performance Characteristics,” we have this:

    “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV [SARS-CoV-2] are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…”

    These two sources are obviously out of sync, but that’s because they’re from different parts of the CDC, and no one in the making tests part thought to update the July version on this matter until nutters decided it represented the ultimate truth about the virus for the entire world (hint, countries closer to the PRC isolated it before the CDC did). If you look at the current revision “CDC-006-00019, Revision: 06 … Effective: 12/01/2020,” it says quite plainly:

    Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available for CDC use at the time the test was developed and this study conducted, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with….

    And that version 1 was first published February 4th, the day the FDA granted the CDC an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to provide their test to others, with the document’s drafting obviously starting earlier. Because if you look up the CDC’s timeline of their over complicated and low quality diagnostic test, they started like everyone else in the world immediately after the PRC published the first sequences of the virus on January 10th.

    Well, this being the Federal Government and the CDC, perhaps they started on the following Monday the 13th by which point Moderna had their vaccine candidate from the same PRC sources. So they had their test running in their own lab in January and identified their first positive sample from the field on the 21st, when indeed “no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV [were] available” to them, that sample providing their very first one.

    What makes you perpetuate a lie, using an old revision of a document, and after being told it’s a lie with a link to prove it? This goes beyond mere ignorance.

  102. @Johnny Walker Read

    https://www.fiercebiotech.com/cro/roche-and-genentech-acquire-unlimited-access-to-open-monoclonal-technology-s-omnirat%C2%AE OmniRat® is the industry’s first fully human monoclonal antibody technology based on rats. OMT, in collaboration with Pfizer, has demonstrated that OmniRat has a complete immune system with diverse antibody repertoire and generates antibodies with human idiotypes as robustly as a wild-type animals make rat antibodies (Journal of Immunology 2013 Feb 15; 190(4):1481-90). There is also OnmiMouse and OmniChicken DO NOT GET TESTED ( you can not trust the test kits either, who knows what is on those swabs ) OR VACCINATED Has anyone looked into Hydro Gel, tree of life organism classification where Humans are placed with reptiles and birds, they are altering their classification systems to include genetically modified trans-species and Humans are one of the trans-spiecies. How about smart dust and nano particles, this type of stuff could be placed in vaccinations also.

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    , @Dumbo
  103. @Refl

    the gains which have been made in vaccinating, and which will have reduced the population

    Now english is not my native language, but what does this sentence tell me?

    That you’re a dishonest hack, because the full quote is, with the critical two words you clipped emphasized:

    [Because of supply shortages] some vaccination centres will lie idle for a while. This is a public health problem, since the gains which have been made in vaccinating, and which will have reduced the population at risk, may be overwhelmed by new cases in the unvaccinated, particularly as numbers increase, thus increasing the probability of new variants.

    It never ceases to amaze me that people blatantly lie when their lies are internally inconsistent, here it taking but a moment to find the original quote using your browser’s search feature.

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  104. bjondo says:

    Those refusing the vaxine would seem to be the high IQ.

    Those refusing the vaxine will need protection from
    the guinea pigs like humans need protection from zombies.

    Keep the pigs in lock up, lock down, quarantine.

    5 dancing shlomos

  105. The whole virus and governments’ reactions to it are a complete and utter fraud.

    Using publicly available statistics, the U.S. state I live in has “suffered” a 0.16% death rate, about twice as bad as the 2018 flu season, mostly in the over 75 age range. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands have lost their jobs, thousands of businesses have been closed, the suicide rate is up, and the overdose rate is up. Most of these affect young people, who will never recover their financial and social standing for the rest of their lives. The legacy costs of the shutdowns will stretch for thirty years or more. Pile on top of that the loss in civil rights.

    The absolute hilarious thing about this, all of the Left’s favorite pets, like negros and other brown-skinned hominids, have suffered the worst from the lock downs. Absolutely hilarious.

  106. @theMann

    Updated numbers for Gibraltar:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/gibraltar/

    Meanwhile in Ireland, the first vaccine was administered on December 29th. The spike in fatalities from early January onwards is clearly related to Christmas holiday socialising, alcoholism, excessive festive cheer and not the vaccination.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

  107. @The Alarmist

    Why don’t we stop calling these concoctions vaccines? The mRNA cocktails are experimental genetic therapeutics.

    Because most of us aren’t liars like you are?

    As for the rise of cases and deaths in places deploying these therapeutics, why are we surprised, when more than a few attempts at mRNA “vaccines” in the past have been halted after failing animal tests. The coyest explanation for the first SARS-Cov vaxx was that it was not economical to pursue as the problem had passed, with nary a mention of the dead test animals.

    Except of course the dead test animals were publicized in some fashion, such that it became general knowledge in the community so it could work smarter in following attempts? We now know why it failed and how to avoid that problem, a story that starts back in the 1960s when a similarly crude, dead simple inactivated virus vaccine for RSV put 80% of the infants who later got RSV in the hospital and killed two of them. This is something you’re apparently unaware of, the scientific process by which results good and sometimes bad get published or for the latter often less formally discussed, and scientists work hard to improve the fraction of good results.

    Brosh said that this does not mean the vaccine changes people’s genetic code. Rather, he said it is more like a USB device (the mRNA) that is inserted into a computer (your body). It does not impact the hard drive of the computer but runs a certain program.

    In hackerspace, this would be called a “bad USB.” I realise he is dumbing things down for the proles, but I can’t help but wonder if he is really telling the truth … they aren’t changing our cells’ genetic code per se, they’re just hijacking the “processors” like ribosomes and tRNA that interpret and run the code and thus screwing with what amino acids are converted by the cells into proteins.

    How can you get all of this, assuming you’re not another NPC cut and paster, and not realize this is exactly how all live virus vaccines work?? All are a means to the end of producing desired viral proteins inside a cell to provoke a normal adaptive immune system response. Which as you note works just like any other protein being created.

    This is a pandemic, but so is the common cold, of which there are billions of cases every year with hundreds of thousands of related deaths … I’d love to see testing and case counts for people who died with a common cold or flu within the 28 days prior to death.

    Why on earth? Because as I guess you don’t know, “the common cold” comes from around 200 different virus strains of many different species and is thus entirely impractical to make a vaccine against? Except for the flu, and I guess you’re ignorant that flu vaccines have been a thing for decades, and have some utility?

  108. dearieme says:
    @Georgia

    These vaccines will not stop you catching or passing CVirus on

    That’s a bit too strong. It’d be better to say that nobody knows (yet) whether these vaccines will stop you passing CVirus on. Some virologists argue that it’s reasonable to hope that they will reduce your propensity to pass it on. Time will tell.

  109. Refl says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    It never ceases to amaze me that people blatantly lie when their lies are internally inconsistent

    I am certainly not inconsistent. Either the author of the article means it or it was a Freudian slip.
    When talking about corona, inconsistencies are a basical feature of the rubbish narrative.

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  110. @RT

    What people need to learn, or rather re-learn, is the fundamental medical principle: Primo non nocere! – First do not do harm!
    Do not operate on a patient who have a chance to live longer without this operation, do not give drugs to treat minor ailments when those drugs will cause major ones, do not perform torturous procedures to someone who is dying….
    [Underpants gnome logical step here.]
    Do not do harm even to justify “trade offs”.

    I guess you curse Edward Jenner, who created the first vaccine against smallpox before “First do no harm” became a big thing? Obviously no tradeoffs can be justified to stop a disease with as high a fatality rate as 30%, the vaccine having a 1 in 10,000 serious complication rate, 1 in 300,000 encephalitis rate, and a finite fatality rate.

    Strange thing, I come from a family with medicine in my blood you might say, been around doctors since I was a teenager, and none of them shared this attitude that vaccines cannot be justified because of the known statistical harm including death they cause. Can’t imagine why, but I’m glad I didn’t have to worry about polio like my Silent Generation parents did before they started college or thereabouts.

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  111. @ImaBotKnot

    Remember also that every day the Chem trailing Geo engineering HAARPing, who knows what with satellite lasers and radiating the upper atmoshpere continues on the macro scale while we are also being poisoned on the nano scale now??? also maybe a natural 12,ooo year solar minimum cycle is having an effect??? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asilomar_International_Conference_on_Climate_Intervention_Technologies The Asilomar International Conference on Climate Intervention Technologies was a conference developed by Margaret Leinen of the Climate Response Fund and chaired by Michael MacCracken of the Climate Institute. The conference took place in March 2010 and the recommendations were published in November 2010. The goal was identify and minimize risks involved with climate engineering (geoengineering, or climate intervention), and was based on the 1975 Asilomar Conference on Recombinant DNA which discussed the potential biohazards and regulation of biotechnology. A group of over 150 scientist and engineers gathered together with lawyers, environmentalists and disaster relief workers in an open meeting to avoid accusations of conspiracy during this discussion.[1] The Asilomar Conference focused exclusively on the development of risk reduction guidelines for climate intervention experiments

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  112. @Anon

    Here’s my thought. Any article that doesn’t mention Ivermectin/Hydrochloroquine is suspect.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  113. Bert says:
    @Anon

    Personally I will use this ivermectin protocol but with a lot more Vitamin D. And including ambroxol, glutathione, famotidine and nicotine lozenges.
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/i-mask-protocol-translations/

    Some ivermectin protocols use higher doses. This link has a lot of information.
    https://rebelem.com/covid-19-update-ivermectin/

    Here’s an interesting, almost amusing, case study on a physiologically-shot nicotine addict surviving Covid in the hospital as he munched on massive numbers of lozenges.
    https://www.cureus.com/articles/41018-does-nicotine-prevent-cytokine-storms-in-covid-19

    Nebulized delivery of HCQ
    https://scholarshare.temple.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.12613/252/Fassihi-PrePrint-2020.pdf?sequence=1

    https://c19study.com/zelenko.html

    There’s also Betadine and Iota-carrageneen very early.

    So you were infected and used ivermectin?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  114. @Adam Smith

    Recently vaccinated people spread disease and should quarantine for a month.

    True enough, but this has nothing to do with the vaccine. People who’ve been vaccinated can still become both infected and infectious (and some may well have been infected prior to vaccination). If you’re trying to imply that the vaccine itself causes the recipient to become contagious, you’re dangerously mistaken.

  115. HA says:
    @Adam Smith

    “Recently vaccinated people spread disease and should quarantine for a month.”

    Do tell. You’re claiming that COVID vaccine recipients, who under the most commonly discussed formulations don’t even receive the live virus to begin with (as in “None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines or COVID-19 vaccines currently in development in the United States contain the live virus that causes COVID-19”), somehow magically reconstitute the vaccine within themselves and then shed the COVID virus? This seems kind of like the miracle the Virgin Mary experienced, so unless your name is Gabriel and you have wings to carry you around, I’m going to file this under “more anti-vaxxer scaremongering”.

    [MORE]

    If, on the other hand, you were referring to those who receive the Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine, a totally different vaccine, there’s this:

    Shedding of the live attenuated vaccine virus is common after receipt of LAIV. In general, shedding is more common among younger recipients, among whom it may also be of longer duration….Transmission of shed LAIV vaccine viruses from vaccine recipients to unvaccinated persons has been documented, but has not been reported to be associated with serious illness.

    So yes, in THAT case — again, we’re not talking COVID — there can indeed be some shedding of the live virus (read the fine print for the animal testing that helps buttress that statement) — but to classify that as “recently vaccinated people spread disease”, so as to imply that the risk from unvaccinated people spreading flu isn’t significantly greater, is classic anti-vaxxer lying-by-omission.

    There’s also this:

    To date, the only vaccine that can potentially increase the risk of infection is the oral polio vaccine (OPV), and that is no longer used in the United States. Moreover, the highest concentration of shed viruses caused by OPV was found in stool, making that the primary route of infection.

    So yes, in case you actually needed to be told this, we should all limit any urge to dig about the fecal matter of those who have recently been administered a vaccine not even available in the US anymore. Thanks so much for that.

  116. Bert says:
    @Anon

    Just looked at the nicotine case study. My memory was faulty as to lozenges. The patient was using patches, inhalers, and e-cigarettes. His physicians estimated his nicotine intake while hospitalized as equivalent to 5-6 packs/day.

  117. @ImaBotKnot

    WHO is to say that mRNA vaccines do not contain the RT enzyme
    so RNA can effect DNA. WHO is to say that HIV was not created in a lab as part of Henry Kissinger’s Special Virus Program. WHO is to say what is in any single injection, it could be a placebo, or different people, countries, populations could get all kinds of different vaccine variations as part of world wide testing or depopulations plans. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/gathering-hivaids-pioneers-raw-memories-mix-current-conflicts The first speakers, including Nobel laureate Harold Varmus, who formerly headed the NCI and its parent, the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), connected the dots between the century-old study of retroviruses and the early hunt for HIV. The signature retroviral enzyme, reverse transcriptase (RT), played an essential role, said John Coffin of Tufts University in Boston. RT was discovered in 1970 by Coffin’s mentor, the late Howard Temin, and separately, David Baltimore (another attendee). The enzyme converts RNA into DNA, a once heretical idea, thereby enabling retroviruses to integrate with human chromosomes. “This is the most dramatic scientific discovery that I’m quite sure I’ll ever be associated with,” Coffin said. WHAT PART OF THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND THEY LIE TO US, DO YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND?

  118. RT says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    First do not do harm principle was the main principle in medical profession since Hippocrates.
    I do not curse anyone. I have resposibility to this one patient at a time in front of me, many times to make life or death decison, cure or harm, and not to save the world. I do greatly fear those who are on a mission to save the world. And I am well recognized for this.
    Please, do not waste your peddling skills on people like me.

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  119. Dumbo says:
    @ImaBotKnot

    I googled, and this is a veritable horror story, with transgenic chickens and rats used to create “human antibodies”, to be injected by mRNA “vaccines”. This is real, this is happening right now.

    A Frankenstein world, the Island of Dr. Moreau:

    https://www.omniab.com/

    https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.net/omniab/files/pages/technology/OmniAb+Aug+2019.pdf

    People have no idea what’s in store for them.

    This “COVID vaccine” is really just a test in millions of human guinea pigs of a new mRNA technology to “hack” our own cells to produce whatever they want. Like they do with the transgenic chickens.

    I will NOT take that stupid vaccine.

  120. @Refl

    It never ceases to amaze me that people blatantly lie when their lies are internally inconsistent

    I am certainly not inconsistent. Either the author of the article means it

    He means every sentence fragment when you “ransom note” selectively quote them out of context? Forget about your not being a native English speaker, your general “language arts” skills need a substantial upgrade. In the meantime anyone with sense will be ignoring you.

  121. Eureka! says:

    Perhaps they remember the Tuskegee experiments.

  122. dearieme says:
    @Georgia

    These vaccines will not stop you catching … CVirus

    If (I say if) they make the vaccinated less likely to pass the virus on then that must reduce your chance of catching the virus even if you have not been vaccinated yourself. Wait and see.

  123. @RT

    I have resposibility to this one patient at a time in front of me, many times to make life or death decison, cure or harm, and not to save the world.

    OK, how about a current medicine yes or no question: do you recommend to your patients, or people around you if you’re not a primary care physician or ER doctor, that they get tetanus vaccine booster shots? In the US, supposed to be every ten years, or after a penetrating wound, if your last booster was more than five years ago.

  124. bjondo says:

    This is an American/World Deep ShitState
    thing where the motto is, “First, Do Harm”.

    From a commenter at another site:

    AKthomassays: 31 January, 2021

    Here is Alaska, we have some of the best numbers for the virus–compared to many other ‘developed’ areas. Most of us always (and have been for years) are taking vit D-3 and zinc and other supplements. I suppose it helps that at 1 person per square mile population density (we invented ‘social distancing’…), the relatively few cases we’ve had are weighted to the areas of highest population density. Like as is shown in large urban centers, areas where people are layered on top of one another–of course the virus is most prevalent.

    Beyond that, one has to wonder why areas in this world, with the poorest medical care, high densities, poor diet and living conditions–the virus is almost non-existent. Why?

    5 dancing shlomos

  125. @Craig Morris

    Here’s my thought. Any article that doesn’t mention Ivermectin/Hydrochloroquine is suspect.

    There’s a saying popular in the US that still probably works in the U.K., “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” You can substitute gram for ounce and kilogram for pound if needed.

    Another which doesn’t need units translation is “He can’t chew gum and walk at the same time.” When we’re discussing highly complicated and not well understood topics, there’s such a thing as focus to help us in our task. You might as well demand the author end every posting of his with “Covid delenda est.”

    More specifically, plenty of people will not sufficiently respond to treatments, especially if they’re too far gone by the time they seek medical help.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  126. Bert says:

    A Letter to NIH and Dr. Anthony Fauci. Is Anybody Home?

    https://trialsitenews.com/a-letter-to-nih-and-dr-anthony-fauci-is-anybody-home/

    Big Medicine has no credibility. Note the duplicity in NIH’s supposedly having a neutral stance at present on ivermectin:

    [MORE]

    Beyond its lack of financial support, the NIH is continuing to post misinformation about Ivermectin. On Jan. 14, the agency upgraded its guidance to physicians to state that it was not “for or against” Ivermectin, a neutral stance shared with monoclonal antibodies and convalescent plasma. Nonetheless, on two key pages, where doctors go to seek information, NIH repeats the old advice: “The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel recommends against the use of Ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19, except in a clinical trial.” (An easy-to-miss disclaimer tops one page, referring to the new neutral advisory.)

    I attempted three times to get NIH to explain itself, asking specifically why outdated Ivermectin recommendations were still posted. In what amounted to a form letter, I was referred to the “the most up-to-date information” on the NIH website — including a page with the incorrect information. When I pressed the issue, a press spokesperson, Jennifer Routh, said in an email, “We have no further information to provide.”

    But on vaccines you can believe them. Right.

  127. MGB says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    And in general, the anti-vaxxers here need to learn the concept of risk/benefit tradeoffs.

    That’s exactly what many of the ‘anti-vaxxers here” are questioning you supercilious c*nt. So why don’t you do the analysis? Let’s start with the numbers. How many have died of the disease? We don’t know do we. How many cases have there been? We don’t know do we. How many lost years of productive lives have we lost due to increased deaths of despair, depression, increased levels of substance of abuse, mass unemployment and business failures, children frightened of any social interaction outside their home? How much farther have we slipped behind in international academic standards as children yawn through Zoom classes? When any objective analysis must include the serial deception of worthless tests, intentionally inflated death statistics, all the while trillions of dollars of wealth is transferred only a fucking idiot like yourself would gloss over the fraud while wading around in the minutiae of whether the Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines are more effective at reducing symptoms of the virus. Despite your cringe-inducing pleadings (“oh when will they stop slandering the vaccines as ‘experimental?’”), these are still experimental by any standard vaccine protocol, and they are already questioning their effectiveness against new variants. This has to be one of the most hysterical, “we have to do something!” American-style ‘we bombed them to save them’ campaigns with no real thought given to the fallout of operation warp speed, a medical oxymoron if there ever was one.

    • Agree: Ugetit, Dumbo, Mike Tre, TKK
    • Thanks: The King is a Fink
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    , @HA
    , @Mike Tre
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  128. Anon[677] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    Thank you kindly for the links.

    Yes, I and my better half got infected. We used Ivermectin (about 48 hrs after first symptoms) as above, plus Vit D, C and zinc. I believe that dosis is based on a 60 kg person so if you’re heavier you could adjust. I had an easier time but he got bad stomach inflammation and excruciating gout-like pain in one knee. To the point of using crutches for 3-4 days. No lung complications, tho. We ended up doing auxiliary homeopathy (German brand, BHI Sin, BHI lymph, BHI Flamm) and anti-inflammation probiotics called Danzen, a godsend. We already did the whole battery of post-Covid tests (d Dimero, ferritin and about 4 others) and came out fine. I’d say we were pretty healthy to start with, tho I do have an autoimmune disorder. The doctor also said about a third of his covid patients had some joint complaint.

    My impression -won’t bore you with too many details— is Ivermectin works but is not a silver bullet. Some auxiliary molecule that provides synergy is indeed desirable.

    Thus, I read up on HCQ again, and will probably try it if there is a next time. I did see the Zelenko nebulizingprotocol, but my doctors aren’t very open to HCQ and I hesitate about nebulization without expert supervision. But if on day 2 you have adequate HCQ concentration, your prognosis is supposed to be better.

    I’d also suggest a protocol for a stay-at-home treatment that can be added to initial Ivermectin/HCQ. Perhaps include an oxygen concentrator, dexametasone tablets and/or nebulization with corticoids (pulmiccord is a common one, given to kids with allergy problems). It helps to have everything written down and in individual ziplock bags, the bug tires you and numbs your brain. My other doctor characterized Covid as “having an appetite for the nervous system”.

    • Replies: @Bert
  129. https://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm … Reflecting on the specific scenario advanced by Myers and co-workers regarding the phylogenetic, recombinant, and immunosuppressive correlates and antecedents of the “starburst” that reflects at least ten simultaneous HIV/AIDS African outbreaks, the [ Poster’s Note: Litton Bionetics ] Bionetics investigators stated the significance and “proposed course” of their vaccine research involving chimpanzees……

    https://www.nytimes.com/1972/06/25/archives/litton-to-run-cancer-research-lab.html ….at FORT DETRICK …. Viruses and special biologi cal materials will be produced in large quantities for use, not only at Fort Detrick, but also at other laboratories doing cancer research….. this after Kissinger asked congress for lots of money for the Special Cancer Virus Project…. remember they lie to us, about the origin/spread of AIDs about 9/11 about COVID and the vaccination, just because some University or Government organization says something or mandates something usually means they are LIARs

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  130. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    One issue with this thesis [that vaccination attacks a protein called syncytin-1 which at day 4 after conception is essential to placental development] – what are the effects of natural infections, in which the virus uses the very same spike protein with that same small section that’s like synctyin-1?

    This is precisely evidence that the virus was created in a lab, for the purpose of bringing about a drastic reduction in fertility and thus world population.

    What are the odds that this precise key protein (or a very close copy) just happens to be the “spike protein” of a virus that just happened to appear at the beginning of an election year in the U.S., with state governments jumping in with gusto to implement pointless “lockdown” rules, such as limiting the number of miles you can drive ALONE IN YOUR CAR.

    It is quite easy to manipulate the spike protein in a virus. In fact, the Pfizer/Biontech mRNA vaccine is simply a synthetic nucleotide sequence to make the precise spike protein which in order to trigger an immune response to the protein.

  131. JamesinNM says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    5G reader. 60 GHz. You like the vaccine? You can have my dose too! Go for it.

  132. @ImaBotKnot

    You’re leaving out the time machine research and development, since your thesis implicitly says modern day technology is needed to create plagues, which, you know, have plagued mankind as far back as we can remember. 1,200 B.C. for an epidemic of something like the flu in Babylon, and the first really well documented pandemic was the 165 to 180 AD Antonine Plague. So I suppose your high tech time turners have to go back only so far….

  133. HOW COVID-19 ‘VACCINES’ MAY DESTROY THE LIVES OF MILLIONS – JUDY MIKOVITS | DR. MERCOLA


  134. onebornfree says: • Website
    @MGB

    “you supercilious c*nt. “Nailed it!

    “only a fucking idiot like yourself would gloss over the fraud while wading around in the minutiae of whether the Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines are more effective at reducing symptoms of the virus.”

    Nailed it again!

    Thanks for that 😎

    Regards, onebornfree

  135. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    the Pfizer European factory shutdown smells

    Maybe the emergence of new strains have got them thinking more carefully about ADE, the danger that their former Vice President and Chief Scientist for allergy and respiratory disease, Michael Yeadon, resigned over.

    Perhaps the potential for an ADE catastrophe created by the emergence of new covid strains explains the very late-in-the-day national quarantines being established in the UK, Canada and elsewhere.

    In any case, there are much better reasons than the Tuskagee experiment for people of any skin color to be hesitant about being subjected to a novel vaccine technology deployed prior to long-term testing. To call these people anti-social, is idiotic. And if you don’t agree, take a look at the record of harm caused by Bill Gates’ vaccines deployed in India and Africa without adequate evaluation.

  136. https://davidicke.com/2020/11/20/former-fema-operative-celeste-solum-talks-with-david-icke-the-covid-tests-are-magnetically-tagging-you-and-the-vaccine-is-designed-for-mass-depopulation-and-the-synthetic.-transformation-of-the-huma/ Every one should download this… also answers the question… Why are there Jellyfish genetic components in some of the vaccines??? Answer it is for phosphorescence of certain genetic and cell markers so that they can be tracked and researched in Human populations

  137. HA says:
    @MGB

    “Let’s start with the numbers. How many have died of the disease? We don’t know do we.”

    You keep telling yourself that. It doesn’t make it true. The excess death numbers indicate that the number who have died is about the number reported — i.e. we know that about as well as such things can be measured to a first pass — to the extent that the “motorcycle-accident COVID deaths” the truthers keep obsessing about cancel out to some extent those nursing home deaths that never got a COVID test to begin with. Maybe that means we’re off by 20% or 30%, but even so, that’s a lot of excess deaths. Yes, most of them are elderly, so that the 10 years of life this thing takes away, on average, maybe aren’t “productive” according to you, but their loss is highly disruptive in the sense that many of those post-retirement deaths are lives that still matter to someone. Sometimes grandma takes care of the kids (or at least takes care of grandpa), to the extent that her well-being is actually pretty important, even on the purely economic level you seem to want to reduce us to. It’s great if you can afford to put all your kids into daycare staffed by bright young things, and shunt off your elderly to AZ or FL where they can be readily ignored, but much of our population cannot do that, and they don’t regard those old people as expendable as you do.

    In any case, given the numbers of excess dead we’ve seen, we can say with some confidence that the “just a flu, bro” deniers who have now recast themselves as mere lockdown skeptics (so as not to be tarred by their earlier catastrophically bad set of projections) were pretty dumb, in hindsight. So why should I listen to their rebranded forecasts — the kind you seem bent on spouting?

    [MORE]

    True, about a third to a quarter of the excess deaths are due to all the other disruptions you enumerate, which is why no one bothers to lockdown against TB or the flu or anything else (another common “well, how come we don’t lockdown for everything then?” gotcha game the truthers keep repeating). We could go back to targeted sequestering as in the days of Typhoid Mary, but if we were to do that, the libertarians and the minoritarians (because let’s face it, those given lockdown orders would be disproportionately brown or black) would make quick of work of that. So generalized restrictions are currently what’s on the menu, and if you want to change that, fine, but be careful what you wish for.

    In any case, when the death toll from these “experimental” vaccines rises to the level of hundreds of thousands, get back to us. Or if you have a more workable way to bite into that death toll that doesn’t involve just sitting back and enjoying it (the Brazilians who helped incubate the most worrisome strain of COVID currently available mostly did that), let us know. For now, I’m marking “unwieldy contagion issues” as yet another one of those gifts that globalism keeps giving. I’m no fan of Fauci, but if you’re what constitutes the alternative, that will make my choices a lot easier. So unless you’re some false-flag CDC-financed troll made to make the truthers look bad you and your fellow trolls might want to rethink your strategy.

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    , @Dumbo
  138. ken says:
    @Thomasina

    Has there ever been a vaccine approved which didn’t contain some form of the virus?

    Has there ever been a vaccine approved with trials lasting less then one year?

    Has there ever been a vaccine approved using mRNA technology?

  139. https://einsteinmed.org/features/2361/einstein-lab-answers-nycs-call-to-provide-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-test-kits/ Dr Goldstein is a friend of Fauci

    See Dr. Anthony Fauci, Keynote Address, Einstein-Rockefeller-CUNY CFAR Symposium, 3 of 6

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZmE_38SbE He also mentions the term stamping out a secret buzz term??? Maybe a hat tip to …. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever. George Orwell.

  140. ken says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “btw, I wouldn’t worry about the Chinese demographic crash – there are still an awful lot of them, and making babies is an enjoyable process, even if raising them’s more challenging.” That’s assuming the magical 2.1 TFR, which the country is no where near. Add in the millions of men who don’t have a spouse and , yeah, there is a crash, but I don’t worry about it. Watching countries screw themselves is amusing.

  141. @TG

    whether in our calculations we are willing to roll the dice on a vaccine or not

    No – a very substantial, and possibly growing, percentage of “we” are not. But the politicians, for purely political reasons, most certainly are.

  142. Mike Tre says:
    @MGB

    This “That Would be Telling” person is a sockpuppet. He popped up on Sailer’s blog when the vaccine story got hot and he/she is conducting a full court press of pro-panic, pro-vax hysteria.

    If I post more than a couple comments in a short period of time I get a “You’re commenting too much. Take a break” message. But this sockpuppet has logged 27 comments today in this thread alone. Uh, maybe thou art protesting too much???

    It couldn’t be more obvious that this hack is peddling some pro-panic agenda. He should be placed on ignore and shame on Sailer and Thompson for lending him credence.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  143. @CanSpeccy

    Maybe the emergence of new strains have got them thinking more carefully about ADE, the danger that their former Vice President and Chief Scientist for allergy and respiratory disease, Michael Yeadon, resigned over.

    Michael Yeadon last worked for Pfizer in 2011. I have no respect for him whatsoever, because he published his screed on December 1th, way too late to bring up his laundry list of issues which he claimed should immediately halt all research into COVID-19 vaccines, and precisely because he led off with the antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) concern.

    As if it hadn’t already been addressed for SARS type coronavirus vaccines using the spike protein, and wouldn’t have already been found out the hard way in the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase III trials, seeing as how both had already submitted their applications to the FDA for Emergency Use Authorizations by then. Not to mention his second concern about syncytin-1, which did not explain why a vaccine would be uniquely dangerous compared to a normal infection. He’s just laying down a marker in case something disastrous ended up happening with the vaccines.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  144. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Maybe the emergence of new strains have got them thinking more carefully about ADE, the danger that their former Vice President and Chief Scientist for allergy and respiratory disease, Michael Yeadon, resigned over.

    A couple of important words missing there. Yeadon resigned as Vice-President and Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer, the vaccine maker.

    As for the way in which the political establishment is handling potentially deadly risks such as ADE that are posed by minimally tested nucleic acid vaccines — risks that Yeadon refused to sweep under the rug, it’s worth reading this BMJ Editorial: Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science.

    And for anyone interested in why the emergence of multiple strains of Covid raise the spectre of widespread vaccine-caused injury or death they should consider the case of the dengue-vaccine, dengue being a disease with multiple strains.

  145. @Mike Tre

    This “That Would be Telling” person is a sockpuppet. He popped up on Sailer’s blog when the vaccine story got hot and he/she is conducting a full court press of pro-panic, pro-vax hysteria.

    You need to learn the definition of words like “sockpuppet”, and could you show me where I’m being “pro-panic” or engaging in hysteria? You won’t be able to because you lie about the simplest of things:

    If I post more than a couple comments in a short period of time I get a “You’re commenting too much. Take a break” message. But this sockpuppet has logged 27 comments today in this thread alone.

    15, “but who’s counting?” Still, it’s a very simple and trivially checked thing, which couldn’t possibly be related to Unz.com promoting this old topic of Mr. Thompson’s at the very top today. That’s brought out of the woodwork a host of NPCs, and trolls like you, who I’ve been systematically shooting down today. The joys of being retired without many day to day responsibilities, and having a strong formal background in biology and an informal one in medicine starting with my mother the RN.

    shame on Sailer and Thompson for lending him credence.

    I probably wouldn’t still be here or at iSteve’s without their personally thanking me for information I brought to their attention. They approach the subject of COVID-19 vaccines seriously and rationally.

  146. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    As if it hadn’t already been addressed for SARS type coronavirus vaccines using the spike protein…

    I don’t understand what you are talking about. Do you?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  147. The scoundrel Fauci has a long history of promoting lies and deception. This Covid scam is not his first rodeo.
    Deadly Deception – Dr. Robert E. Willner MD, PHD

  148. @CanSpeccy

    As if it hadn’t already been addressed for SARS type coronavirus vaccines using the spike protein…

    I don’t understand what you are talking about. Do you?

    I believe I do, but then I believe I understood the linked Chemical and Engineering News article; granted, when I had to stop studying science I was taking a class on protein folding. What do you not find clear in it, its gorgeous illustrations, its long history of ADE going back to the 1960s, etc.? Our host found it useful….

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  149. First of all, regardless of the true biological existence, nature or origin of the putative SARS-CoV-2 agent, it is clear that the so-called COVID “crisis” has been artificially amplified and manufactured. PCR amplification of genetic material reverse engineered from fragments of RNA supposedly from the SARS-CoV-2 virion and dubiously used in conjuction with a presence/absence “confirmation or adjudication” (Moderna’s words, not mine—notice that ‘diagnosis’ was not the term selected) has a dial-up/dial-down adjustment feature—especially when the number of amplification cycles is not specified. The potential for deceptive manipulation of “case” numbers is enormous and virtually certain. Second, the hysterical tone of newscasters and politicians along with the repressive censorship by social media are telling indications that the “pandemic” is quite possibly, or rather almost certainly, a fraud. Third, these nucleic acid-based pharmaceutical instruments are not vaccines, but rather tools of genetic modification. We could call them ‘pseudovaccines’. Fourth, the developmental testing is grossly inadequate to the level of malfeasance if not criminality. Fifth, no competent scientist would envision, much less recommend, conducting an experiment–let alone an initial trial–on a whole population. Sixth, the potential for adverse consequences are real, severe and–especially in the case of DNA-based pseudovaccines–irreversible. The likelihood of neurological sequelae are particularly troubling and, given that roughly 95% of translational products are found uniquely in the nervous system. Seventh, permanent alteration and risks exist for populations and ethnic groups. Eighth, there is every reason to be concerned about malevolence in the execution of ethnic warfare and genocide emerging from this program of genetic modification masquerading as a vaccine. Most assuredly this concerns grows with future pressures and programs of mass inoculation . Ninth, many followers of religious traditions, such as Catholicism, object to receiving injections and participating in an industrial activity with this level of complicity with the harvesting of materials from human abortions. Tenth, a rarely mentioned point is that to receive or administer RNA- or DNA-basd pseudovasccines is to commit acts of the most profound form of bodily mutilation. Mutilation, even self-mutilation, for non-therapeutic reasons is impermissible (see ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church’, Part 3, Paragraph 2297). See interview, Dave Schmitt by Brian McCall on ‘Catholic Family News for a conversation of the topic.

    https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2020/12/30/more-ethical-dilemmas-for-the-covid-vaccines-interview-with-dr-david-schmitt/

    Altering the genome, or potentially doing so, in the manner of nucleic acid-based pseudovaccines, especially considering that these vaccines are not administered to those suffering the disease, but rather to those not suffering the disease, not only does not constitute a therapeutic action, it is contrary to a therapeutic action as defined as an action to restore health.

    In a couple of my podcasts I mention I discuss the Cedntral Dogma of Biology and draw a parallel to what I believe shoudl be recognized as the Cantral Dogma of Civilization. The parallel is of supreme importance in the larger picture of the COVID-Lockdown-Pseudovaccination Scam.

    See if you please: http://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/deschmitt

  150. Safenow says:

    Yesterday an epidemiologist said that “making more vaccines is “not like making men’s shirts.”
    I understand that a simile, in order to work, must describe something that is within experience of the listeners. He might have said: Imagine building a small Disneyland, with the rides and exhibits, and, also training the people who must operate and maintain the small Disneyland.

    I am a nobody in pajamas, but my analogy is a heckuva lot better than the shirt. Poor communication throughout covid.

  151. Re the Tuskagee Airmen syphilis trial: the last airman died in the 1970’s, so the memory of this can hardly be relegated to pre-world war 2 history. Black skepticism of the government’s intentions is sometimes well-founded.

    Second, anyone who can accept the official facts that whilst Corona cases have exploded around the world, the seasonal flu has all but disappeared, is functionally retarded. Perhaps not literally retarded, but “programmable”, by what passes for science, to a degree where the result is identical.

  152. MGB says:
    @HA

    Excess deaths? You’re talking about comparing raw numbers of deaths to previous years’ averages with no analyses of demographics. There are equally compelling arguments that bumps in the numbers in some countries in 2020 have to do with aging populations or recently low death numbers catching up. And how do people explain the average age of ‘COVID deaths’ being equal to life expectancy rates. 81 yo is the average age of a ‘COVID’ death in my home state which also happens to be the average life expectancy. What would it take for some imbecile like you to become curious about a deadly pandemic with these numbers? COVID deaths averaging 2 years over life expectancy, 10 years? That Would Be Condescending is sniffing on about others glossing over ‘risk benefit analysis’. How can you not consider the age and health of the populations succumbing to the disease, even assuming that their death stats are correct when performing your risk-benefit analysis. 81 years of age, 65% of which were nursing home residents, you know the place you send your grandma to die. Those are the COVID death stats in my state, the reason 8 year old children are locked in their homes staring at a computer screen 6 hours a day and pretending that’s learning, growing obese and having ‘virtual sleepovers’.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @HA
  153. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    What do you not find clear in it, its gorgeous illustrations, its long history of ADE going back to the 1960s, etc.? Our host found it useful….

    What the frack are you talking about?

    You, an anonymous troll, presume to dismiss the judgment of a prominent immunologist with what seems no more than random verbiage. And insofar as what you say about Yeadon is intelligible it is bunk:

    You say, for example:

    Michael Yeadon … I have no respect for him whatsoever, because he published his screed on December 1th, way too late to bring up his laundry list of issues which he claimed should immediately halt all research into COVID-19 vaccines

    Which is not so. As stated in this article, published in early November, Yeadon’s concern with the ADE risk of new Corona virus vaccines dated from April of 2020, which is when the vaccines were in early development. The article, incidentally, provides a good intro. to the potentially deadly phenomenon of vaccine-induced ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement).

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  154. @David Schmitt, Ph.D.

    Third, these nucleic acid-based pharmaceutical instruments are not vaccines, but rather tools of genetic modification.

    This lie again? Please explain how the fundamental paradigm or “dogma” if you prefer of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins gets reversed with mRNA vaccines. For extra credit, think about how every live virus vaccine is a means to an end of generating mRNA to then make one or more viral proteins. For even more credit, explain how mRNA vaccines are uniquely capable of changing your DNA compared to getting a wild type RNA virus infection.

    Fourth, the developmental testing is grossly inadequate to the level of malfeasance if not criminality.

    The notoriously conservative FDA doesn’t think so. The only short cuts taken with the mRNA vaccines were starting animal and human Phase I testing at the same time based on a lot of previous research and Phase I trials, and the early Phase III results acceptable for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), this being an emergency and all as confirmed by all cause mortality, which along with hospital capacity are the only metrics I consider to be solid.

    So the FDA considered enough disparity in COVID-19 cases between experimental and control groups and severity for Moderna for efficacy, and two months of safety data from half of the experimental group that got the vaccine. The latter based on the credible claim the vast majority of severe vaccine caused adverse events (AE) show up in the first month and a half after taking them.

    Fifth, no competent scientist would envision, much less recommend, conducting an experiment–let alone an initial trial–on a whole population.

    Then I guess it’s a good thing then that these vaccines have been trialed on tens of people in Phase I trials, hundreds of people in Phase II, and over ten thousand in Phase III.

    especially in the case of DNA-based pseudovaccines

    And these would be?? I’ll supply a hint, adenoviruses are DNA viruses. But any evidence they incorporate their DNA into their host cells? And how can you not know the end fate of the host cells is termination with extreme prejudice by the adaptive immune system??

    In general, you’re advocating both total avoidance of RNA and DNA live virus vaccines. Well, whatever floats your boat, get a Novavax or eventually maybe Sanofi/GSK vaccine, or wait until you get an uncontrolled, zillions more cells hijacked infection by the RNA COVID-19 virus. The rest of the world doesn’t necessarily care how you gain immunity, just that you get it.

    Ninth, many followers of religious traditions, such as Catholicism, object to receiving injections and participating in an industrial activity with this level of complicity with the harvesting of materials from human abortions.

    OK, now we’re back to mRNA vaccines which are made from pure information, no cell cultures involved except for bacterial like the workhorse E. Coli to make lots of DNA to then transcribe it into mRNA.

    And, again, your screed is based on gross ignorance of molecular genetics, although with your “Get out of jail free” card of “Eighth, there is every reason to be concerned about malevolence in the execution of ethnic warfare and genocide….” you won’t be bothering us for any longer than it takes you to get a bacterial infection and refuse to take the antibiotic that will save your life. But last time I checked, suicide was a “Do not pass Go, do not collect $200” straight path to hell, a mortal sin in Catholic theology….

  155. MGB says:
    @David Schmitt, Ph.D.

    Yes, if the science-based analysts here gave a shit about the science they would be screaming about the pcr manipulation, and the complete perversion of terminology. A ‘case’ has become a positive pcr test regardless of the lack of symptoms, and no state government has established a standard Ct level meaning that not only are most tests useless, there will be no way to analyze the ‘pandemic’ in the future. But this is standard stuff for the most heavily fined industry, save banking. Let’s see Moderna release its pcr numbers for all trial participants. And based on past practice, it shouldn’t surprise anyone if the pharmas have manipulated the exclusionary criteria for trial participants or the control group ‘placebo’ to fudge the results.

  156. @CanSpeccy

    What the frack are you talking about?

    Your total refusal to look at an article that explains how ADE was avoided from the very beginning for COVID-19 vaccines, for Moderna the weekend ending in January 12th, 2020. There’s nothing further to discuss if you refuse to even consider looking at the evidence I present.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  157. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @David Schmitt, Ph.D.

    In a couple of my podcasts I mention I discuss the Cedntral Dogma of Biology and draw a parallel to what I believe shoudl be recognized as the Cantral Dogma of Civilization. The parallel is of supreme importance in the larger picture of the COVID-Lockdown-Pseudovaccination Scam.

    That sounds interesting, but for the benefit of those like myself who have what amounts to an allergic reaction to podcasts and videos, can you spell it out for us here in a few words what is the parallel between the central dogma of molecular biology and what you think is, or should be, the central dogma of civilization?

    As I understand it, the central dogma of molecular biology is simply that information flows from nucleic acids to protein, not the reverse. A parallel formulation for a civilization would be that social organization is dictated from ruler to ruled, not the reverse. However, both formulations are wrong. In the cell, there are epigenetic mechanisms whereby proteins regulate the expression of genes thereby reversing the flow of information. Likewise, in the life of a civilization, the actions of the rulers can be greatly affected by demands, resistance, applause, etc., of the ruled.

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  158. @Mr Blister

    Second, anyone who can accept the official facts that whilst Corona cases have exploded around the world, the seasonal flu has all but disappeared, is functionally retarded.

    Or is someone with an open mind, perhaps a scientific mindset who says to himself “WTF?”, and tries to figure out what’s going on with this phenomena.

    • Replies: @Alden
  159. @Old and Grumpy

    Pfizer at minus 71—can not be too useful in underdeveloped countries —

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  160. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    Your total refusal to look at an article that explains how ADE was avoided from the very beginning for COVID-19 vaccines, for Moderna the weekend ending in January 12th, 2020

    You mentioned a “linked Chemical and Engineering News article” but provided no actual reference, i.e., title, volume, date, page number, or hyperlink.

    So are you witless or merely devious.

    Anyway, since you’re so well informed, why not give us the explanation in your own words as to how the ADE risk that Yeadon expressed concern about in April had already been disposed of in January.

    Ah, but you have already sworn never to respond to my again. Wise, decision, I suppose.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  161. Alden says:

    “ importance of faith leaders”

    Translation, more money in government grants to scumbag POS black preachers to encourage blacks to be vaccinated. I truly wonder if 50% of blacks are really vaccine reluctant. Or if the media is just lying for the purpose of shoveling more money to the blacks.

    Saw a headline and front page story today “ Latinos hardest hit devastating horrendous infection rate”

    And about 60% of the White population are brainwashed White hating liberals.

  162. Alden says:
    @David Schmitt, Ph.D.

    So the Catholic Church objects to vaccinations because the needle stick is mutilation? So why are millions of patients in thousands of catholic hospitals and medical practices given blood draws and injections every day ?

    The more I read about covid hoax the more certain I am that it is truly a hoax.

  163. Alden says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Seasonal flu, colds and the occasional sneeze are counted as covid hoax now. That’s why seasonal flu’s disappeared.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  164. TKK says:
    @GreatReseter

    Sadly, just as only whites are prosecuted with Inspector Javert zeal for mere trespassing and criminal mischief while BLM subhumans beat, burn and steal are nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, blacks are already exempt from wearing masks “if they don’t feel like it.”

    Most blacks wear masks religiously, as in driving alone in their car because they are genetic mental midgets, and because they fear Covid.

    However, I have witnessed blacks not wearing masks in courtrooms, and Judges issue a milky weak plea for everyone to cover up. Whites are tazed for not wearing masks. Fined, beaten, arrested, imprisoned.

    In Wal Mart, I saw an elderly white man ask a black girl to pull up her mask as she was coughing and shouting in a tight aisle and she told him to” Shut the f*ck up before I stomp your old ass.”

    This is not hpyerbole- we have reached a strange rubicon where blacks are exempt from most of society’s rules.

    If this course continues, blacks will be allowed to murder with impunity if they can shoe horn any racial theme into the crime.

  165. TKK says:
    @MGB

    I am working a second job at night for extra money. It involves reviewing evidence for a class action law suit.

    The next “big thing” is thousands of small businesses filing claims for “business interruption” loss of income when government action ordered them to shut down shop to stop the spread of the Covid-19 virus.

    Billions of dollars in premiums timely paid. What underwriter would deny the legitimacy of these claims?

    All of them. None of the Big Boys are paying any claims on Covid. The plaintiffs are in disbelief. Indeed, most were lulled into tranquility by all the false reassurances by the Government that relief was coming. There is no contributing negligence, no fault of the claimants. Has there ever been a more “pure” claim?

    Doesn’t matter.

    No help will come to them from any insurance entity unless the courts FORCE them. And that will take years. The Big Boys will motion them to death.

    Make of that what you will.

  166. Bert says:
    @Anon

    Thank you for the full account. Best regards.

  167. Dumbo says:
    @HA

    (the Brazilians who helped incubate the most worrisome strain of COVID currently available mostly did that), let us know. For now, I’m marking “unwieldy contagion issues” as yet another one of those gifts that globalism keeps giving.

    It’s rich to blame Brazilians for a Chinese virus created in an American lab (well, that’s what Mr. Unz says).

    If you want, take the stupid vaccine and stay home afraid of “viruses” like a little bitch, but don’t force this mRNA concoction on others, and don’t defend those crazy authoritarian measures. Don’t forget to wash your hands too.

    • Replies: @HA
  168. dearieme says:
    @David Schmitt, Ph.D.

    many followers of … [Roman] Catholicism, object to … this level of complicity with the harvesting of materials from human abortions.

    What is the level of complicity?

  169. dearieme says:
    @Mr Blister

    Wasn’t the complaint about Tuskegee that white men got injections while black men didn’t? Now black men want not to get an injection while white men do. Oh the irony!

    WKPD: None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available

    And available courtesy of the University of Oxford.

  170. dearieme says:
    @MGB

    Excess deaths? You’re talking about comparing raw numbers of deaths to previous years’ averages with no analyses of demographics.

    There are analyses available that do intelligently incorporate the effect of a growing and ageing population.

    recently low death numbers catching up

    There are analysts intelligent enough to illustrate that effect in the plots they provide.

    how do people explain the average age of ‘COVID deaths’ being equal to life expectancy rates …?

    That would be a better question if there were any evidence that you understand what life expectancy means.

    Mind you, you’re quite right about the absence of any sign of an intelligent cost/benefit analysis by governments. In a well ordered society many US state governors would swing for what they’ve done to their populations. I suppose Mr Cuomo might be the leading example.

  171. @CanSpeccy

    You mentioned a “linked Chemical and Engineering News article” but provided no actual reference, i.e., title, volume, date, page number, or hyperlink.

    You should see an eye doctor or switch browsers, for there are hyperlinks on my two replies for the text “As if it hadn’t already been addressed,” one and two, note each of those words are also hyperlinks.

    Anyway, since you’re so well informed, why not give us the explanation in your own words as to how the ADE risk that Yeadon expressed concern about in April had already been disposed of in January.

    In short and from memory, a vaccine eliciting too weak an immune system response, for SARS like coronavirus due to the spike protein having two major shapes as part of the role it plays in getting the virus into cells, allows a mechanism where a natural infection is much worse. For COVID-19 vaccines using the spike protein, it was discovered before January that this can be fixed by adding some “molecular twist ties” to the protein, so it’s “stabilized,” is stuck in one shape, the one it assumes on the surface of the virus before it comes into contact with a target cell.

  172. @Bardon Kaldian

    Your second para not only contradicts the first para but essentially agrees with my proposition… in a round about way.

  173. @Alden

    Seasonal flu, colds and the occasional sneeze are counted as covid hoax now. That’s why seasonal flu’s disappeared.

    Discounting the CDC’s flu surveillance network, which uses a set of clinics and doctor’s offices which might not be functioning well for this purpose if people are less likely to go to them for less severe cases of the flu where the best they can do is provide a prescription for Tamiflu or another anti-viral of questionable efficacy), per local reports in my part of flyover country, and “Aesop” the ER nurse in southern California who’s the author of the Raconteur Report blog, point of contact flu testing has been showing essentially no flu cases. Here’s Aesop on that as of December 15th:

    7) We test everypone with possible Covid for flu, exact same way, same time. Since September, we have seen 2 – TWO – flu-positive tests. In four months. Normally by now, that would be 400-1000, or more.

    As far as I have heard, other disparate parts of the US are also seeing the same baffling pattern. And for one of your previous comment’s points:

    Saw a headline and front page story today “ Latinos hardest hit devastating horrendous infection rate”

    Aesop isn’t in LA country, but he provided this continuously updated LA PDF dashboard which as I type this shows data as of Friday. Go down to page 7 and see “COVID Cases Hospitalized by Race/Ethnicity,” 71% are Hispanic, essentially unchanged since December when it was 72%. And he attests to this being true in his part of Southern California.

  174. @GomezAdddams

    Pfizer at minus 71—can not be too useful in underdeveloped countries —

    Dry ice is sufficient, along with enough diligence to refill the package after it arrives, and then every five days. Pfizer also supplies a device with them that monitors the temperatures and can phone and/or text up to four contacts if it senses things are going wrong.

    All that said, it’s a good thing we’re now seeing success with vaccines that only need medical grade refrigeration, that’s generally something like 2-8 C/36-46 F for Novavax’s now old fashioned style pioneered by Protein Sciences for flu vaccines. Grow the protein in bug cells in bioreactors, then for Novavax add an adjuvant harvested from trees, not sharks. Per Wikipedia, this American company set up contract manufacturing in the U.K., and “signed an agreement with Serum Institute of India for mass scale production for developing and low-income countries. It has also been reported, that the vaccine will be manufactured in Spain.”

    This is the one that just reported very good results in its U.K. Phase III trial, a twice as big FDA sized one is in progress in the US. Others with the same required refrigeration profile include the AZ/Oxford’s and Janssen’s (Johnson and Johnson’s), the latter has just reported fair to good results from one jab, a Phase III trial with two jabs eight weeks apart was started a bit later and might improve on that.

  175. @YetAnotherAnon

    If it’s possible the vaccination stimulates the immune system to attack syncytin-1, then it’s possible actual CV19 infection could do the same.

    Covid19 has already been shown to attack germ cells in the male testes, as well:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-00604-5

    If the vaccine does the same, we could well be looking at a demographic implosion.

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  176. Bert says:

    Roger Simon at The Epoch Times published an editorial yesterday entitled “How the Hydroxychloroquine Scandal Wrecked America and the World Along With It.”

    He accuses Fauci, the CDC, MSM, the Democratic Party, the Cuomos, and Whitmer of responsibility for the poor state of affairs the USA now confronts.

    Because the editorial is under copyright and requires giving an email address to access, I did not link to it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  177. HA says:
    @MGB

    “You’re talking about comparing raw numbers of deaths to previous years’ averages with no analyses of demographics.”

    No, in fact, they took some care in correcting for that and came up with somewhat similar numbers to what you get simply by eyeballing the last couple of years:

    Similar to all causes of death, these weekly counts can be compared to values from the same weeks in prior years to determine whether recent increases have occurred for specific causes of death. The causes shown here were chosen based on analyses of the most prevalent comorbid conditions…Respiratory diseases, Circulatory diseases, Malignant neoplasms, and Alzheimer disease and dementia. Deaths due to external causes (i.e. injuries) or unknown causes are excluded. For more detail, see the Technical Notes. Weekly counts of deaths were also added by age for all causes….Estimates of excess deaths presented in this webpage were calculated using Farrington surveillance algorithms.

    Like I said, this is a first pass, and if the numbers are off by 30% or so, it wouldn’t surprise me. But that’s still a lot of excess deaths — more than can be casually handwaved away the way you’d like. Overall,their analysis seems a lot less clueless than yours.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    You can read more about Farrington algorithms here:

    https://academic.oup.com/bioinformatics/article/35/17/3110/5301313

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  178. HA says:
    @Dumbo

    “It’s rich to blame Brazilians for a Chinese virus created in an American lab (well, that’s what Mr. Unz says).”

    I’m not blaming them and Mr. Unz can’t look at a blue sky without thinking some US conspiracy is responsible for it, so that’s beside the point. The articles on which I based that statement take pains to point out that, given their resources, and the number of loons telling them “it’s behind us, get back to normal” (sounds familiar, eh?) they did about as well as can be expected of them.

    As lockdowns were eased toward the end of last year, businesses reopened and people filled the streets. Despite warnings from multiple experts that the virus was spreading, a more laissez faire attitude toward the virus spread in Manaus…Pervasive was the now demonstrably false notion that Manaus’ massive first wave of Covid-19 reached enough of the population to create herd immunity.

    A false sense of security, with some government officials downplaying the threat, going into the Christmas holidays may have also caught Manaus off guard as illnesses started rising again in December…

    If you don’t like CNN, or CIDRAP, do your own searching on Manaus/COVID.

  179. Bert says:

    This is a good article on current issues of vaccine safety and efficacy.

    Vaccine wars escalate as new antibody escape variants raise the bar

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-vaccine-wars-escalate-antibody-variants.html

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  180. Bert says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    If the vaccine does the same, we could well be looking at a demographic implosion.

    You are jumping right over any plausible mechanism by which the vaccine could harm spermatocytes, spermatogonia, or spermatids.

    For a young man, the most compelling reason to take the vaccine would be to protect his ability to father children. Protection of sufficient spermatogonia would be crucial.

  181. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    By the way, my doctor was on board with the Ivermectin but discouraged the addition of azithromycin, in good part to avoid “ toxicity”. (Many doctors do prescribe the “covid combo” I + azyt) The bug does do an overload to the body difficult for me to explain (enervation, mind fog, weird inflammation), so a very simple protocol with as few substances as possible would seem desirable for the early stage.

  182. @Bert

    This is a good article on current issues of vaccine safety and efficacy.

    It is truly excellent on many topics, thanks for bringing it to our attention!

  183. @Bert

    Another very promising treatment is bromhexine. It is a common expectorant, over-the-counter in countries using it, but not available everywhere.

    It works by blocking the TMPRSS2 enzyme, which facilitates entry of the virus into the cell by cleaving the spike protein at that furin site so it can grab onto the ACE2 receptor. The blocking has been verified in lab studies.

    I have seen one controlled trial showing it is highly effective. Also incredibly cheap.

    I also have some Ivermectin and use it every time I get the sniffles. So far it has cured them every time. I expect it gives me Covid19 prophylaxis at the same time.

  184. @That Would Be Telling

    More specifically, plenty of people will not sufficiently respond to treatments, especially if they’re too far gone by the time they seek medical help.

    The point is to have treatments on hand for when you get the first premonition of illness: Ivermectin, HCQ, bromhexine, etc. And to maintain your Vitamin D levels at all times.

    There are Vitamin D receptors on every cell in your body. They serve a multiplicity of purposes, besides regulating Calcium levels. Pretty much all of them promoting health. It’s very hard to overdose.

    If you have, or were even allowed, to have these in your medicine cabinet before you got sick the fear and panic would wash right over your head. As they do mine.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  185. @Anon

    By the way, my doctor was on board with the Ivermectin but discouraged the addition of azithromycin, in good part to avoid “ toxicity”.

    Absent studies of them being used together, a wise choice because it’s a lipid friendly drug that is liked for compliance (“Take your damned pills!”) because it gets loaded up in your fat. But that also means it’ll be with you longer than normal, plus it’s still the case as of 2016 that “In vitro and in vivo studies to assess the metabolism of azithromycin have not been performed.” Post-marketing some mostly benign drug interactions have been noted, not sure if they’re metabolism related, plus it and its class of antibiotics have their own non-benign side effect profile, plus it’ll do a number on your gut bacteria, another reason to avoid casual use of antibiotics.

    As for ivermectin, per Wikipedia maybe, the language is not crystal clear, but not Merck as the brand name drug Stromectol, it’s a known inhibitor of CYP3A4. I’d trust Merck over Wikipedia, but in any case the former says in vitro studies show it’s primarily metabolized by that enzyme, which is not surprising:

    Cytochrome P450 enzymes metabolize approximately 60% of prescribed drugs, with CYP3A4 responsible for about half of this metabolism; substrates include acetaminophen, codeine, ciclosporin (cyclosporin), diazepam, and erythromycin. The enzyme also metabolizes some steroids and carcinogens. Most drugs undergo deactivation by CYP3A4, either directly or by facilitated excretion from the body. Also, many substances are bioactivated by CYP3A4 to form their active compounds, and many protoxins being toxicated into their toxic forms (for examples – see table below).

    So without a good reason to add azithromycin to the mix, best avoided, whereas by itself and few other drugs should be well tolerated. Be careful if you’re taking acetaminophen/paracetamol which you should be anyways and always, avoid eating grapefruit (a well known inhibitor of CYP3A4 which some people who have to take cyclosporin for life use to lower their costs), otherwise ivermectin is a drug for which the major, common bad side effects pertain to it killing off too many parasites at once, not an issue here. And good luck.

  186. @Peripatetic Itch

    If you have, or were even allowed, to have these in your medicine cabinet before you got sick

    Emphasis added; the problem of course being that HCQ was outright outlawed in a number of Blue and Purple states after Trump spoke favorably of it, and it became a tribal thing that makes it unlikely it’ll ever get a fair chance in studies in the West unless Biden blesses it. There’s also the issue of reserving doses of these drugs for people who actually have COVID-19 symptoms, vs. the supplies getting sequestered in people’s medicine cabinets.

    the fear and panic would wash right over your head. As they do mine.

    Per the above, the uncertainty of their actually working, the high quality of local healthcare, and being able to achieve 99.999% isolation, I’m only doing this with Vitamin D as I’ve done for years now. Adding to your comments and advice, people are advised to get tested for proper blood levels of it, and calcium to make sure you’re not getting to much, and you’ll very likely need to take supplements to get in the ideal range.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  187. @That Would Be Telling

    The only short cuts taken with the mRNA vaccines were starting animal and human Phase I testing at the same time based on a lot of previous research and Phase I trials, and the early Phase III results acceptable for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), this being an emergency and all

    Last I looked, the EUA for experimental drugs and the Expedited Approval Protocols for vaccines were conditioned on there being no effective treatments available for the disease. So it was crucially important for the HCQ effectiveness to be buried and the trials for Ivermectin and Vitamin D to be strung out for long enough to open the door for vaccines.

    The effectiveness of HCQ was known in February last year, even before Mr. Trump cautiously endorsed it. Then all hell broke loose over it. We were immediately told Nigerians were overdosing and some guy killed himself with fish-tank cleaner. But the coup de grace came in May with the publication of that Lancet article touting a 96,000 patient study over five continents. The media went wild with vicious glee, studies were stopped in their tracks and anyone thinking about joining a controlled trial was told they would be signing their own death warrant.

    The 96,000 patients turned out to be fabricated from whole cloth, the study was retracted and Surgisphere, the company responsible, disappeared from the face of the internet. Curiously this most scandalous of all scientific retractions engendered no obvious retribution for either the authors or the Lancet editor who published it.

    Indeed, that study is still being cited; of the 200 papers examined by Science—all published after the retractions—105 inappropriately cited one of the disgraced studies.
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6527/331.full

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  188. Bert says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Adding to your comments and advice, people are advised to get tested for proper blood levels of it [Vitamin D], and calcium to make sure you’re not getting to much, and you’ll very likely need to take supplements to get in the ideal range.

    Right, for anyone likely to be seriously affected by Covid, it is indeed a good idea to quantify Vitamin D level. There are several online test sources. The testee’s contribution beyond cash is a few drops of blood on a card. My level was 60 ng/ml while my wife’s was only 37, a bit low for the current situation. Really high levels are not good however as the mortality versus Vitamin D level curve has an uptick beyond the high 50’s ng/ml point.

    Supplementing strongly with Vitamin D should also be accompanied by Vitamin K2. And supplementing with Zinc should include a mg or two of Copper.

  189. Bert says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Exactly. I got a look at the Surgisphere website before it disappeared. The cast of characters shown as principals of the company was ridiculous. Dr. James Todaro deserves a lot of the credit for his part in exposing the fraud.

  190. @Bert

    You are jumping right over any plausible mechanism by which the vaccine could harm spermatocytes, spermatogonia, or spermatids.

    Fair comment. But let me counter with a few odd points.

    First, the virus is, I think, attacking germ cells in the testes themselves, not just the sperm. That may however actually reinforce your argument.

    However, reading the vaccine studies, I see they specifically say they did not assess their safety for pregnant women and women of childbearing age. It’s most unlikely they did so for men either. And despite what feminists claim, men are more often looked at as dispensable. It is the responsibility of Big Pharma to asses the effect of their treatments on men and on reproductive health in general, but in practice they don’t do it.

    I have already agreed with your interest in alternative treatments like HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D and bromhexine. If these were made available over-the-counter and put in every person’s medicine cabinet, ready to take at the beginning of symptoms, the epidemic would be stopped in its tracks. No one would need the vaccines.

    I’m not sure why it’s my responsibility to come up with your “plausible mechanism.” We need to put the onus on the vaccine makers to prove their products safe. Did anyone have to think of a plausible mechanism for the teratogenic actions of thalidomide before they prescribed it for morning sickness?

  191. Bert says:
    @Anon

    Did you use anything to reduce fever? Fever is an adaptive physiological response to infection so with old-style viral infections I usually let it do its thing until it drops naturally. Did you folks have high fevers?

    • Replies: @Anon
  192. @That Would Be Telling

    There’s also the issue of reserving doses of these drugs for people who actually have COVID-19 symptoms, vs. the supplies getting sequestered in people’s medicine cabinets.

    OK,… that must be why I need a prescription for first-aid supplies, right? Wouldn’t want Emerg to run out of band-aids, would we?

    HCQ and Ivermectin are used in substantial quantities all over the world. With a little effort production can be ramped up to whatever levels you need, in a very short time. Just like aspirin. Several drug-manufacturing companies were offering to do this last spring.

    Ivermectin, at least, has been shown effective for prophylaxis, for preventing the disease. If you prevent the disease you have all-round fewer patients in hospital. Prevention only works if you have the medicine in hand. That’s why HCQ was over-the-counter in France. Until they inexplicably banned it last January or February, when it threatened to become the treatment of choice.

  193. Was last vaccinated in school 25 years ago. The place where the needle went in still fucking itches.

  194. @Peripatetic Itch

    I’m not sure why it’s my responsibility to come up with your “plausible mechanism.” We need to put the onus on the vaccine makers to prove their products safe.

    That would make drugs and biologics prohibitively expensive, so expensive it’s unlikely very many would be marketed in countries with such a requirement. Just run the numbers, as Peripatetic Itch should do before he dismissed concerns that supplies of drugs in literally billions of medicine cabinets could be conjured up in a short time.

    The FDA seems to be requiring 30,000 minimum subjects in COVID-19 Phase III trials, half vaccine, half control, so not necessarily much more than 15,000 to find real side effects in. Perhaps someone who knows more probability off the top of their head can chime in and tell us the how unlikely a 1 in 100,000 occurrence of an adverse event will be found in these big trials; intuitively we know the chance is small.

    You may also need multiple events to distinguish a pattern: how do you know something that sometimes happens to people for unknown reasons, idiopathic is the word of art, is that or is caused by taking a drug or getting a vaccine?

    So we use a whole bunch of heuristics to manage the risk. One of those is the plausible mechanism @Bert is demanding. Given the common observation that many serious cases of COVID-19 appear to be vascular in nature, see for example the blood clots, we have a presumed mechanism for the all too commonly reported testes pain, all the way to the linked paper showing bad effects in five or so cadavers checked, the virus acting directly on the tissues in question. Although there’s an alternate to be considered, lots of spike proteins in the blood (I have no idea if that happens, or if it’s though to cause bad effects).

    So if we start with the mRNA vaccines, no virus, very little in the way of the mMRA/lipid packages not getting lodged in your deltoid muscle, not a lot of stabilized non-functional spike proteins released when vaccine hijacked cells eventually get killed by the adaptive immune system, or at minimum not a fraction of a real infection, we must remember the alternative, add the toxicologist’s maxim “the dose makes the poison” and we expect no side effects of this type.

    But check for “unsolicited” adverse effects in those 15,000 who get the vaccine (and of course the 15,000 who don’t, this is blinded until that becomes unethical), the solicited ones are the expected from every vaccine sort, pain at site of injection, fever, what have you. And we have systems to report adverse events in Phase IV “post-marketing.”

    Or look at it another way: for all we know, every cup of coffee one drinks, inserting a bunch of small molecules in your tissues, probably causes more damage to a variety of tissues than what happens outside the site of the injection of a vaccine and the immune system nearby. Both are probably so small we don’t overly worry about them.

  195. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    @ This is the last of my comments quota for the day, so I’ll address several comments above.

    Do not worry too much, IF you have little ziplocks with written instructions and the protocol of your choice. Ivermectin does work. Personally, I would take it with azithromycin. The reason it’s a “covid combo” is a) many doctors have empirically observed it works b) there are in vitro studies it acts as antiviral in Covid19, has some inmunoregulatory benefit for C19, AND is a well-known antibiotic for upper tract respiratory bacterial infections. In fact, those were the reasons it was chosen in February to act in sinergy with HCQ. I guess doctors tried azithromycin with Ivermectin when those nice authorities over at WHO and Lancet blocked HCQ.

    If for example you take 10 days of HCQ, with a long half-life, you will be rid of it of it by day 26. So azythromycin, please, no worries on that score. Very, very common antibiotic, for kids and adults alike. Doctors recommend not only based on papers read, but on their experience these past months.

    Since you mentioned so many substances, I thought to relay my doctor’s comment about “toxicity”. We are all self-medicating with supplements, thanks to the lack approved protocols Peripatetic Itch observed. Criminal behavior indeed.

    We did not get high fevers at all. I didn’t get any fever, in fact. We used Tylenol at the beginning for discomfort (headaches, body aches). We didn’t have loss of taste or smell either. (Got a PCR test, obviously, and funnily enough no one else at home (6 others) got infected. But it’s useful to keep in mind that even without lung complications, you have to manage your “inflammatory substratum”. I used the homeopathy above, (we’re not vegan or anything) which I highly recommend. One can do an “emergency intake”: 1 tablet dissolved in mouth every 15 mins for two hours. Then 1 tablet 3x day. Sin(usitis) and inFlamm(ation) are obvious choices, and the stomach has a lot of lymphatic nodes, so I added that (under an alopathic doctor’s advice, he’s weird in the sense he uses both allopathy and homeopathy. He’s been my doctor since I was in college) We did two emergency intakes on two consecutive days. And the Danzen probiotics.

    One possible way of schematizing the progression of the illness is: 1) symptomatic viral 2) viral-inflammatory 3) inflammatory-viral and 4) inflammatory. Apparently the people who are in the ICU have very little or no virus in their body. As inflammation increases, viral count decreases.

    The protocols we’ve discussed work for 1 and 2.
    For 3, it’s more and more common to tackle it at home (where I live, hospital beds are scarce right now). Hence the oxygen concentrator (say 3l for three hours a day, very early on), and two options: dexamethasone tablets or pulmmicort inhaled, depends on the doctor. If you go in for bloodwork, they might add heparin for microtrombosis. We didn’t have to do any of that. But it’s being done, plenty of people I know come through just fine.

    Also consider your food. Have nutritious stuff easy to prepare. There’s an anti inflammatory protein powder, Thorne Medí-clear, available on Amazon. Add a banana and some vitamin C and you have a nutritious anti inflammatory smoothie. Did I mention anti-inflammatory? 😅

    We didn’t do any bloodwork, just oxygen monitoring, for the 14-day “quarantine” suggested nowadays. Not that we wanted to act normal or anything, we were pretty fatigued, even the workaholic. Afterwards, we checked:
    BH, proteín c reactive, BNP, ferritin, procalcitonine, uric acid and vit D levels and thorax x-ray. One of those is to check the epithelium. Everything fine. Just one very grouchy person who had to hobble instead of rushing energetically.

    Anyway, Peripatetic is spot-on about the medical mafia, and might I add that Gilead/remdesivir stock price doubled after The Lancet torpedoed HCQ last May, then in August sold 1 billion+ Europe’s to the EU drug relator, just before the WHO had to finally admit remdesivir doesn’t work for Covid (doesn’t lower mortality); it is a known mutagene and is perhaps responsible for the UK mutation.

    Another question to address is whether young people —even asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic— should get treatment. I know of one young woman who got pulmonary fibrosis and a teen boy who has migraines. Very few symptoms, in both cases. My kids are getting homeopathy and Ivermectin for sure, more so after reading the “spermatagonia” comments (only at Unz!) .

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @Bert
  196. MGB says:
    @HA

    I have already read the CDC report on excess deaths, and don’t need to read about the algorithm the CDC uses. An algorithm is only as good as the data input. The CDC numbers on excess deaths, and the proportion of excess deaths they attribute to COVID has evolved. At one point they calculated roughly 300k excess deaths, approximately 2/3 of which were COVID deaths, so they said. The CDC, which produces PCR tests, could have recommended standard Ct protocols for all tests, but didn’t, so we have no idea how accurate the COVID deaths figures are. Even so, 100k excess deaths not associated with COVID is a large number with no explanation. All your CDC quote does is crudely explain a statistical method, and does nothing to explain the causes of non-COVID excess deaths. Again, based on the bogus PCR tests, I would guess that the proportion of non-COVID excess deaths is much larger than the CDC has accounted for.

    • Replies: @HA
  197. HA says:
    @MGB

    “I have already read the CDC report on excess deaths, and don’t need to read about the algorithm the CDC uses. An algorithm is only as good as the data input….At one point they calculated roughly 300k excess deaths, approximately 2/3 of which were COVID deaths, so they said. The CDC, which produces PCR tests, could have recommended standard Ct protocols for all tests, but didn’t…”

    They’re looking at overall EXCESS DEATHS precisely so as to avoid any confusion about mislabeling or changes in testing. How do you not get that? The bump they’re calculating is in DEATHS, not a count of death certificates with “coronavirus” stamped on them. You claim to have read the report, but evidently you didn’t even bother to pick up on that, so why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

    Again, these numbers have nothing to do with the reported cause of death or PCR cycles or anything else you’re yammering on about in this futile effort to keep from digging yourself in even deeper. The Alzheimer’s and other causes of death that I mentioned were presumably broken out in the historical record only so that they could be adjusted for growth in population (and possible growth in Alzheimer’s, etc.), so as to get the appropriate demographically adjusted average of what we would have expected deaths in the last year to be had COVID not arrived. (Also, he excluded the violent deaths given that there’s little risk of mislabeling that.) But beyond that, the excess death number has nothing to do with changes in any COVID test.

    Again, try actually understanding something before assuming you’re qualified to debunk it. Because all you’ve done so far is make the CDC look like the saner alternative, so if you ARE simply a troll paid by the CDC to make the covid-truthers look even more like innumerate fools, then good job–you hit it out of the park this time.

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    • Replies: @MGB
  198. @Bert

    Just found this article showing that Syncytin-1 has been found in human male gametes as well as female oocytes. It seems to have, moreover, a very important role in reproduction:

    Syncytin and its receptor are present in human gametes and localization and temporal appearance is consistent with a possible role in fusion between oocyte and sperm.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

    Syncytin, you may remember, is the reason why concerns have been raised about the effect of vaccines on female fertility. The idea being that the vaccine would stimulate an immune reaction in which the body would attack the germ cells, or oocytes, and destroy them with antibodies. This idea has been investigated as a method of birth control in the past.

    Needless to say, if there is any validity to that concern about the effect of the vaccines on female fertility, then the concern extends equally to male fertility.

  199. @That Would Be Telling

    intuitively we know the chance is small…. Both are probably so small we don’t overly worry about them.

    Sure sounds like you’re reversing the onus of responsibility. We can all of a sudden disregard “The Science”? Do they pay you for that?

    Just run the numbers, as Peripatetic Itch should do before he dismissed concerns that supplies of drugs in literally billions of medicine cabinets could be conjured up in a short time.

    That’s exactly what drug companies do all the time. That’s how you get your bottles of aspirin and Tylenol in your medicine cabinet. HCQ and Ivermectin are probably no more difficult to make than Tylenol and certainly a couple orders of magnitude less difficult than the vaccines, and they seem quite capable these days, even this early in the roll-out, of distributing a million doses of vaccine a day, just in the U.S.

    HCQ is over-the-counter in much of the under-developed world already. You’re telling me it’s too much for the U.S.? Ivermectin is similarly used by millions of people every year. You can buy it at almost any farm co-op, for use on your horses or pet dogs.

    The ‘short time’ you refer to has not been that short. It’s now almost a full year since HCQ and Ivermectin were first proposed as effective treatments. Eleven months since the state of emergency was declared. When everything we do was defined to be about the pandemic.

    By the way that plausible mechanism between vaccines and male infertility has now turned up:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

  200. @Anon

    Thanks for the kind words. Let me make a couple more suggestions:

    Buy a nebulizer. You can add all sorts of anti-viral substances to the nebulizer fluid, including salt, Vitamin C and HCQ. Use it at the first indication of sniffles or cough.

    Simulate a fever if you don’t have one by sitting in a hot bath or sauna.

    Consider getting your tetanus vaccine up to date.

  201. @That Would Be Telling

    A fascinating set of problems. Intuitively, one would need at least 100,000 subjects to have a reasonable chance of detecting a 1 in 100,000 condition, and the calculators I have looked at suggest that the number might be two or more times that to be 95% sure of finding it.

    The other approach is to say: at what level of mortality can I live with a 1 in 100,000 fatality risk from a vaccination? As a matter of individual choice, estimates of personal risk will vary.

  202. MGB says:
    @HA

    Jesus. Get a grip. So now it’s only EXCESS deaths they are looking at and the categorization of those deaths, which you referred to, is meaningless. Then how do EXCESS deaths tell us anything about the pandemic, unless you are implying that they can only be attributed to the virus. And how is this relevant to the risk-benefit analysis of the vaccine promoters? What if every other excess death is a consequence of people avoiding treatment because they have been traumatized into believing any contact with a stranger is an encounter with a loaded gun? Apparently you’re admitting you/they have no idea. Despite your hysterical response you haven’t told me a goddamn thing about the cause of these deaths.

    • Replies: @HA
  203. Bert says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Of course the onus for safety, including that vaccines do no harm to reproductive function, is on the developers. Being well beyond the age for wanting a neonate, I haven’t looked at the details of testicular involvement by SARS-2. Your concern is justified, but if you want to make a stronger case for that concern you would need to know specifically whether spermatogonia are reduced in number by the infection. If only spermatocytes and spermatids were destroyed, then the spermatogonia would replace them in short order and there would likely be no reduction in sperm count long term.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spermatogenesis

  204. Bert says:

    All right, there is your plausible mechanism. This is obviously a very messy problem at the quantitative level. Would the reduction in spermatozoa numbers by antibodies be sufficient to drop sperm counts enough to reduce fertility? Would the attack on spermatozoa reduce antibody titres enough to lower efficacy of the vaccine? Would women be more at risk for fertility reduction because of having more limited numbers of gametes and having the additional placental location of syncytin?

    Then there is the other side of the coin. Does mild infection lead to a reduction in spermatogonia, the crucial cells for male gamete production? I would guess not, so the best choice for a young man would be to refuse vaccination. Will we see eligible males displaying a Certificate of Non-Vaccination on dating sites?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  205. Bert says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    I guess I got off track in my first reply and discussed the effect of infection, not vaccine-triggered antibodies. See my later comment to your later comment.

  206. Bert says:
    @Anon

    You are very generous to outline so much useful information. Sincere thanks to you.

    The link below describes a clinical trial in which simple iodine gargling, nasal and eye washes had a huge effect on reducing morbidity and mortality.

    Effect of 1%Povidone Iodine Mouthwash/Gargle, Nasal and Eye Drop in COVID-19 patient

    http://www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159

    This could have all been mitigated easily if we weren’t ruled by sociopaths.

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  207. HA says:
    @MGB

    “So now it’s only EXCESS deaths they are looking at and the categorization of those deaths, which you referred to, is meaningless. Then how do EXCESS deaths tell us anything about the pandemic, unless you are implying that they can only be attributed to the virus.”

    So you’re still pretending you read the report? Give me a break.

    It’s not meaningless at all, and if you had any idea of what you were talking about it you would have figured it out for yourself. If you have a good estimate — based on the Farrington flexible algorithms you pretend you don’t need to know anything about, or else simple ordinary-least-squares regressions if you prefer — on what causes the vast majority of non-violent deaths in the US, as enumerated above — so that you would know what to expect in a given “normal” year, you can to a first-order approximation get a good idea of what COVID is doing. In the end, it’s simple subtraction. It’s not perfect, but I’m guessing you’ll get it to within 30% or so if you do it well enough and the result in that case is a pretty humongous excess death count that cannot simply be hand-waved away by anyone with a sliver of intellectual honesty.

    So rather than prattling over and over about what we don’t know, and wearing your stupidity and agnosticism like it’s a badge of honor — let’s face it, you ain’t Socrates — maybe try and figure out yourself how you would estimate the death toll of this new virus if what you had was 1) a pretty good enumeration of non-violent deaths and 2) a good estimate as to the major causes of all other non-violent deaths in a normal year. Stop pretending everyone is as stupid and clueless about this as you would like to believe. Do it as if your career depended on it, i.e. the way an actual epidemiologist would. It’s really not that hard, to the extent that if I had the data, I could do a somewhat passable job myself. Not because I’m that bright, but because it’s really not that mysterious. So imagine what a trained epidemiologist — like the kind who filed that report — could do. Or, actually read the report. The fact that I have to explain to you something that’s really not that hard tells me that you’re not in a position to be debunking anything. Try and learn about what people like him have done before trying to convince everyone else of how little “we” know, because there’s no “we” here. YOU are the one who is clueless. Projecting that onto everyone else is just wishful thinking on your part.

    And if you don’t like their analysis, fine, come up with something better, though I’m not holding my breath based on what I’ve seen of your analytical acumen thus far.

  208. @Bert

    Will we see eligible males displaying a Certificate of Non-Vaccination on dating sites?

    I see you are asking these questions from the point of view of a guy trying to decide whether to go for the vaccination. As such these are all valid questions though I rather doubt an immune attack on sperm would lower the vaccine effectiveness in preventing disease.

    From past experience, I would guess none of these questions would ever be satisfactorily answered. The emphasis in fertility research is remediation, not etiology and prevention. Any such research would be complicated by a host of confounding factors. And research into fertility determinants is dominated and mostly controlled by sociologists, who have no interest in and no aptitude for medical issues.

    On the other hand, vaccine shills like That Would Be Telling call me a troll for even bringing up the topic. His attitude is that anything that does not show up in an Adverse Effect report within two months is of no consequence. Why? Because Intuition. Cost.

    These things are the effects that could show up in the animal testing that is normally to be done before human trials. If they were looking for it, I mean. You have to fight even for that.

    They have you by the testicles.

  209. @Bert

    I’ve been using 1% Povidone solution in my nebulizer since I first got it last April, I think. Included 1% hydrogen peroxide.

    Stopped several cases of the sniffles. No side effects.

  210. @That Would Be Telling

    Posting under my real name, I will provide a response to the reply by “That Would Be Telling (TWBT).” I appreciate TWBT’s having followed my post with enumerations. TWBT skipped my items 1 and 2. As did Drs. Yeadon and Wodarg in their petition to the European Medicines Agency on December 1, 2020 to stay Phase III trials of the BIONTECH product (viz., the mRNA “vaccine”), I pointed out that there is no evidence of a pandemic and that the PCR “test” is an inadequate instrument for defining COVID infection, or the tellingly suspicious use of the term “cases” in histrionic reports by legacy Media. Given this situation, there is no basis for properly assessing the existence of an epidemic (or pandemic), thus it impossible to properly asses the risks of giving a putative vaccine (such as it is) to any given recipient.

    [MORE]
    It is also impossible to assess the urgency for either the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) or–not considered further here other than to state–the various draconian lockdowns and social distancing measures which themselves bear certain levels of risk to health and life. The future, retrospecttive accounting of death and social harm will surely be enormous. The endpoints and safety studies are completely, and probably in other contexts criminally inadequate. In skippng these points we must assume that TWBT acknowledges the validity of those criticisms of mine. Regarding my third point, TWBT took exception at the statement: “Third, these nucleic acid-based pharmaceutical instruments are not vaccines, but rather tools of genetic modification.” These products are undeniably not vaccines in the classical sense and even moreso circumvent the full invokation of the natural immune system from its innate end to its adaptive end. . The use of mRNA biotechnology is a proposed means of producing a variety of proteins with hoped-for amelioration of disease. The production of spike proteins from the Sars-CoV-2 virus for presentation to the host immune system for provoking an adaptive response is merely one such product, by hppenstance an immunological product. That mRNA is genetic material cannot be denied, despite its downstream position from DNA in the chain of information flow from DNA > RNA > protein as expressed by Francis Crick in what is referred to as the Central Dogma of Biology (CDB). It is well understood that the simplified model of unidirectional flow as implied by this dogma (viz., teaching) needed to be immediately qualified. It needs no mention that natural and artificial selection are types of feedback into the collective genome of a population and species and therefore impacts phylogenetic history. But it is the role of some of us, not necessarily only molecular geneticists, to point out a concern regarding the potential for genetic information of humanly-manipulated mRNA viruses to be aberrantly captured by exogenous or endogenous retrovirus species and inserted into the host genome as provirion DNA. Evidence suggests that in other cases, the result is often the production of tumor-causing cells. The possibility of this was raised during the public hearing by the U.S. Federal Drug Administration (FDA) in December 2020. This question was summarily dismissed. That powerful technologies for genetic editing already exist, especially now CRISPR, makes unquestio9nable that the motivation, means and opportunities exist in abundance for quickly moving from this initial experimentation with mRNA vaccines to genetic modification of people. In fact, this has already been attempted. It is unclear how TWBT disparages this concern by remarking, “That lie again?” In attempting to criticize my fourth point, TWBT exhibits his generous acceptance of the FDA decision-making process (I wonder if this is always the case) for the EUA. Watching this meeting, I was appalled with the manner in which the chair of the meeting ran roughshod of questions and questioners that needed to be heard. The determination of efficacy by Moderna was based on mild symptoms and a relatively few number of cases. It is appropriate and necessary to employ Bayesian statistics as long as a full provision and balanced emphasis of the absolute numerical data regrding sample size and methodology is provided to the public. Regarding point five, early trials of this (these) “vaccine(s)” on humans as guinea pigs –as TWBT implicitly admits–is merely the early step in what is desired to be a rushed administration to a majority, if not totality, of the world’s population. One is led to ask why the hurry? The hurry is itself is telling. Regarding the pointed comment concerning item six, adenoviruses are employed as vectors for gene therapy. but with some difficulty in achieving permanent incorporation of the recombinant DNA into the host genome. Though no expert in such matters to be sure, it is my understanding that adeno-associated viruses seem to more effectively insert genes into host genome with permanance (stable genetic transduction). Furthermore, biotechnology would be nothing were it not for possessing the very means by which scientifically discovered patterns in nature are circumvented and overcome with human artifice. Given the expressed desires of powerful forces seeking to fully harness gene modification ranging on a scale from the therapeutic to the development of bioweaponry, there is great cause for sounding an alarm based upon unforeseen consequences to individuals and to the human species. TWBT’s understanding of the moral theology or criminal causality regarding was not on dispplay. The current necessity or convenience of using aborted tissue in pharmaceuticals is what is at issue. It is the desire not to promote by one’s participation evil acts such as aborting human fetuses or postpartum murder that motivates the reflective and praticing Catholic, or the non-Catholic based on less doctrinal reasons, that is important. This involves the voluntary resistance to the development of an industry. That no identifiable aborted material appears in the final product (e.g. a vaccine) is inconsequential. There are plenty of cases in law where the causal chain involves the impelling force of communicated information, not material transfer or momentum. Please try to be less insulting. It detracted from what might have been an even more interesting, and fruitful, discussion.

  211. @CanSpeccy

    [Henceforth use paragraphs if you want your comments published.]

    Dear CanSpeecy, you are quite correct that there are feedbacks in the flow of information as it pertains to both the Central Dogma of Biology (CDB) as well as the Central Dogma of Civilization (CDC—ooooh, that unfortunate), if we can begin to use the latter term usefully.

    [MORE]
    I am glad that you pointed out the existnce of epigenetics. Thus, in neither system need we think of the centrifugal flow outward from the repository (DNA, for example) as being rigidly deterministic. Plus, retroviruses are known mechanisms for inserting DNA into host DNA made from RNA by reverse transcriptase. Other viruses engage in this as well. And natural (and artificial) selection are mechanisms for high-level alteration of the collective genome of a population, species or the phylum. I imagine the CDC as comprising a central repository of archived information, knowledge and wisdom. It is a library. Since it involves humans at a high congnitive and intellectual, knowledge and wisdom have to be considered along with information. The central library of civilization includes seminaries, universities, actual libraries, now electronic media, pulic intellectuals and–really–all people because they possess distributive intellectual holdings—and all of this is represented by both physical and human media (brains and cultural behaviors). As with RNA, there is a messenger stage where the store of the defining and potentiating semantics of humanity is communicated to society: priests, scholars, teachers, physicians, engineers, political leaders, journalists and writers, lawyers and so on. Anyone is included who takes the information, knowledge and wisdom of civilization and transmits it primarily and theory is serving in this role. That is, all of us again to some degree with some specialized more than others. The third step is the implementation of the blueprint of civilization theory into practice. This is done on factory floors, in the marketplace, in churches, schools and universities and research laboratories as well as in courtrooms, townhalls and in homes—as some examples. This is analogous to the protein-production step in the cell. The cell steps are transcription (DNA to RNA) and translation (RNA to protein). The DNA of nucleated cells undergoes a reproductive step as well: replication. Our civilizational information, knowledge and wisdom needs to be faithfully kept up and regenerated. The oligarchs as always, try to purge history. Like a cell, we need mechanisms to prevent this. As with biological genomes, change must be admitted and permitted. But biological mechanisms are good at ensuring that this occurs rather conservatively and with lots of calibrating with the environment. I could not elaborate here much comment regarding the puntuated equilibria of Gould and eldridge of fifty years ago and how to meaningfully apply the concept here. I just have not worked that out. The great reset desired by the oligarchic tyrants does not meet the criterion of integrative approaches to adding change to that which is conserved. Maybe this is a start.

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  212. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @David Schmitt, Ph.D.

    Thanks for your comment which certainly provides food for thought, with or without paragraphs (I assume that you are German not only in name but, in some degree, in culture, hence the long paragraph — Germans are bigger-brained, presumably, than Anglophones, and therefore able to handle what to we mere English speakers consider astoundingly complex constructions.)

    But to revert to your point, I agree, the Great Reset is an attempt by a globalized plutocracy to high-jack Western civilization and reduce the mass of mankind to a condition of mind-controlled slavery, devoid of human rights, particularly free speech and real education, a brain-chipped class of latter day Morlocks.

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  213. @CanSpeccy

    Hi CanSpeccy. Well, actually I am rather small brained. I barely am able to find my cowboy hats in the adult section of the western-wear stores. Maybe I have deeper convolutions on the surface of my brain, but smart people that I respect tell me that I merely have more convoluted thinking—not the same.

    As for the use of paragraphs, there were comment sections that I used in the past that simply deleted my paragraph separations and rammed everything together. Thus, I internalized the rebuke and have followed the practice automatically.

    There does seem to be a diminution of our ability (me too) to consider extended thoughts. In my roughly decade-long tenure in public service, I found a managerial class that is less and less capable of dealing with reasonable volumes of data. Field personnel and their supervisors would prefer multiple trips accomplishing goals haphazardly, if not in error, to the practice of precise communication. Any attempt to correct this is met with punish of—guess who? I suspect that having sloppy systems and promoting frontline incompetence allows for the camouflaging of malfeasance and the erasure of trails of decision-making and competency. I was working in a public health sector. I saw a decade ahead of time things which only later and, especially only after the year 2020, made fuller sense. Government and the private sectors were being set up not to act in a manner that subverted evidence-based regulation and replaced it with Roritarian, pragmatist, post-modern, totalitarian machine for propagating absolute falsities. It is mind-control all over again—or should I say, “still?”

    In my travels a few days ago, I was awaiting flight check-in. Two young ladies, apparently business travelers, were chatting. They were engaged in mutual agreement about how they really enjoyed working at home because of policies enacted as a result of COVID (such as it is. I could not take it any longer. I politely interjected myself into the conversation and challenged thier assumptions on a number of points such as PCR (I have dome PCR), and the lack of good immunolabeling-specific electron-micrographic imaging of the virus in tissues from autopsy (I have done EM as well). One wpman retorted that her mother is a respiratory therapist and she really believes in masks. (Really, my august reverence is beyond description.) The other woman asserted that she is happy to wear a mask, it is not that much trouble and she is eager to do whatever the government wants. Need I comment? Is this perhaps the ill effect of having elevated the influence of females in society? I cannot answer this question, but I will let you entertain the question on your own.

    I noticed a man paying interewst to our question. I noticed him again, later, as we are checking him. He was chided by the check-in clerk that the gator-cloth “masks” such as he was wearing was considered insufficient by the airlines (as if any mask in a crowded plane could possibly come close to being effective). This customer promptly lowered the gator mask and positioned into place a paper mask underneath, stating: “Actually, I work for the CDC.” Well, isn’t that comforting? As we boarded the plane he was fiddling with his baggage in his seat as is common before hoisting it into the overhead compartment. (He was seated in first class, don’t you know.) I bent over and behind him and whispered: “This unscientific childishness must end.” His lack of response told me that my message just may have hit home.

    There may be a SARS-CoV-2 virus, a virus of suspicious origin—and I am not talking about the nation of origin, though that is not irrelevant in the complexity of the story. The relevance of the nation of origin of the virus is not understood, I suspect, in a manner that is superficially interpretable. But it is quite clear now to most examiners of the totality and specifics of the events of year 2020 and before, that the “COVID pandemic,” as well as are the pseudo-vaccines, are utter, criminal fakeries in support of an even larger, historical and global crime of tyranny, murder, theft, pan-optacon surveillance and fraud.

    The juridical and due punishment perpetrators should be proportional, thus the purpose of the oligarchs having their own crooks in the offices of prosecutors, courts, presidents, bureaucrats, newsrooms and–above all–the banks.

  214. I am convinced that “That Would be Telling” is disinformation Troll.

  215. @Thomasina

    Indeed.
    They are many, but we outnumber them.

  216. @theMann

    The facts were there. They were told.

    As with so many things in life this is true. What I’m seeing now is the natural reaction to a year of incessant brainwashing… that people are tired and just give up

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