res, what is your take on the large downgrades of several of the Central American nations?

Is a national IQ for Nicaragua in the mid-50s truly plausible?
The resulting geographic discontinuities would then be extreme.

Some of Becker’s values seem suspiciously low. Becker’s IQ for Ireland is 85, which would be around the African-American level, and is lower than Becker’s values for the Dominican Republic, Iraq, Kuwait, Mexico, Chile, and several Caribbean countries. Romania is at 82, one point higher than Sudan. Italy, Portugal, and Greece are at 89, the same as Sri Lanka and Kyrgyzstan, and one point higher than Mexico and Qatar, and lower than Mauritius.

So the “best” data set available covers less than 0.05% of human beings and only about 60% of countries have any data. No doubt we will get all kinds of wise statistical interpretations based on such data.

Interestingly (and perhaps not surprisingly) it seems some of the relatively prosperous Caribbean countries (with relatively better living standards/education etc) here (in this Becker “DB” study) have somewhat higher IQs than as claimed by Lynn (for some of them he did not actually have specific country data) in this re-analysis (and also here are more similar those found for them by Jason Malloy in his re-analyses at his humanvarieties blog): Barbados scores 93, The Bahamas 91, and Bermuda 94 (at about the same range as the Mediterranean, Balkan and South East Asian countries and higher than most of the Middle Eastern—Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, etc—,Central American countries, and the Spanish Caribbean)

below under “favorites” as well as under “national”:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3c4TxciNeJZWUx5bzBWZ1BuMUk/view

You are right and countries like Portugal or Italy are also much too low to be true and I was tempted several times to exclude (for the present) or correct such implausible looking numbers but otherwise, I’m not satisfied with individual corrections or hiding problems. I hope this way of presenting such possible errors or mistakes will help me to find answers and to improve the dataset. That is also why I try to make the ways of calculating and estimating as transparent as possible.

Edit: “(as far as I know, for some of them, he may not have had—or had much—specific country data)”

It would be better to have relatively equal numbers of samples from different tests but Raven’s seems to be the most widely used and those with the most background data. In particular, raw-scores are almost always supplied to measurements with Raven’s Tests for most others already computed IQ-sccores were displayed. In addition, Raven’s Tests did not change so much over time and therefore the results are comparable between widely distant moments of measurement. Nevertheless, first analyzes show strong correlations between the different types of tests which, even if the number of comparative cases is partly very small.

Here are the results from the Block and Block data (N = 104, age 11).

WISC total = .67
verbal total = .62
performance total = .58
information = .45
arithmetic = .40
vocabulary = .40
digit span = .38
picture arrangement = .19
object assembly = .37
mazes = .50
comprehension = .36
block design = .54
coding = .30

I hope this helps.

Romania is a major outsourcing destination for major companies and its economy has been growing robustly. Hard to believe that it has an average IQ of 82.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/14/romania-economy-booming

At a sleek new office in the heart of Bucharest, Fitbit co-founder and chief executive James Park explains why the smartwear giant is rapidly expanding its operations in Romania – and following the lead of a host of multinationals. “The tech talent here is amazing. Romania and other countries in central and eastern Europe have great existing talent, and also great universities,” he says.

The US company, which bought Romanian smartwatch brand Vector Watches for a reported $15m (£11.4m) late last year, and has tripled its staff in Romania since, has just opened its largest research and development centre outside the US, in the Romanian capital. It’s not alone: in recent years, major global companies such as Siemens, Ford and Bosch have set up or expanded operations in Romania, boosting an economy that’s already growing at speed.

While many see Romania as a country of migrants flocking abroad to find work, back home the economy is booming. The services sector is expanding at pace, along with exports and manufacturing. Meanwhile, private consumption – from clothes to furniture and cars – hit a nine-year high in 2016, and increased a further 8% in the first half of this year.

The economy grew 5.7% year-on-year in the second quarter of 2017, the fastest rate in the EU, where the average growth rate was 2.4%. This was on the back of a GDP rise of 4.8% in 2016 and 3.9% in 2015; during the same period the UK economy grew by a more placid 1.8% and 2.2%. According to the International Monetary Fund, Romania’s economy is expected to grow by 5.5% for the whole of 2017.

The tech sector, in particular, is expanding fast, built on a communist-era legacy of excellence in science, mathematics and technical education, as well as Romania’s strong language skills, which have long made it a hub for IT outsourcing. While the Romanian language’s Latin roots have helped explained the country’s linguistic skills, some suggest it was a decision to subtitle rather than dub foreign programming on television that boosted foreign language exposure and proficiency.

If you don’t understand the concept of a statistical sample, you’re hopeless.

Bolivians with a higher IQ than Israelis? Surely there is a mistake there

No problem.

I downloaded the data from the Henry Murray Archive https://murray.harvard.edu/. It used to be available for anyone to download, but I think you have to apply for it now. I can run easily run any straightforward analyses you wish. Raven’s ages 4, 5, 7, and 11. WPPSI age 4, WISC age 11, WAIS age 18. Tons of other good stuff, very comprehensive data set, nice sample, but small.

“Japan as a country in North-East Asia with the highest GDP / head of 41,300 $ and a national IQ of 104-107, for example, is far below the US with a GDP / head of $ 57,400 and a national IQ of 97-99.”

I wonder how this works out with smart fraction theory? I don’t have the ability to run the numbers on that, but Japan’s population is much more homogeneous than the population of the United States, which may have a much larger standard deviation in national I.Q. Is it possible that if looked at from a smart fraction standpoint, that X percent of the U.S. population has an I.Q. over Z, while only Y percent of the Japan population has an I.Q. over Z, where X > Y? (I don’t remember what the X/Y and Z values were for smart fraction theory.)

Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore have higher GDP/capita than Japan does.

DUUHHHHH!!!!!

A world population with an average IQ of 86?

That explains a hell of a lot.

Add to that some of the data is “implausible” when a reader does not like the results.

Consider, for example, the following comment above yours:

Some of Becker’s values seem suspiciously low. Becker’s IQ for Ireland is 85, which would be around the African-American level, and is lower than Becker’s values for the Dominican Republic, Iraq, Kuwait, Mexico, Chile, and several Caribbean countries. Romania is at 82, one point higher than Sudan. Italy, Portugal, and Greece are at 89, the same as Sri Lanka and Kyrgyzstan, and one point higher than Mexico and Qatar, and lower than Mauritius.

As far as I know the 100 IQ is the average, defined as such.
Therefore an average of 86 is a contradiction in terminis.
The only explanation I can think of is the often asserted cultural bias of IQ tests.
Contrary to popular ideas IQ does not test intelligence, because never there has been a definition of intelligence that can be translated into measurement.
Therefore IQ just measures IQ, whatever it is.

Why, are the Bolivians more suicidal than Israelis ?
The Bolivians are the only people in S America who liberated themselves from the western yoke.

‘Countries’, political entities, are all the rage these days and residence in one or the other is the defining characteristic of humankind.

Research into racial disparities in IQ is so very 19th century.

I think the point of his second sentence remains, that we can count on seeing all sorts of “wise interpretations of” (ie excitable claims about) this data. Well, I suppose that’s unavoidable. Still, I think those who caution against putting too much stock in the last whole-digit of these scores can feel vindicated, what with 5-point losses being so common during this round of measurement.

As an IQ ‘true believer’, I’m disappointed that scores vary so much from dataset to dataset, since this eases the path for obstructionists to claim the whole concept is bogus. Hopefully, as the importance of IQ comes to be better appreciated, greater amounts of higher quality data will be accumulated, allowing a stabler and more accurate picture of the world to emerge.

Is it possible that if looked at from a smart fraction standpoint, that X percent of the U.S. population has an I.Q. over Z, while only Y percent of the Japan population has an I.Q. over Z, where X > Y? (I don’t remember what the X/Y and Z values were for smart fraction theory.)

That is a very obvious inference to make if one accepts the reality of racial differences in IQ. Of course, it would be much better to have actual data.

Raven tests are not culture not language INDEPENDENT in the same way FREE will no exist…

To read; to think about de-contextualized pattern recognition we need obviously use our linguistic skills (omniscient) which are derived from the culture we born. Remember gene-culture co-evolution. Remember how this works and apply it in cultural-psychocognitive evolution. It’s obviously explain for exame Inuit spatial and general skills.

Example and not exame.

Flynn Effect has been similar in both sexes??

Dear Ron Unz, thank you for these links. Mainly my work so far was to replicate the data of Lynn, to learn about his methods and to test the validity of his data. I have to do one or two things yet, then I will begin with the inclusion of further and new sources. Let’s see how the patterns will be change or if they will be robust. DB

I would like to get rid of a general comment.

I read many comments about that some countries’ IQ’s are implausible and I totally agree. But I followed a principle in the project to take data and results the way they are, not making individual corrections, whatever is an attack area for criticism. On the contrary, one criticism to Lynn was that he had acted selectively, for which, however, I could find no clue. And the best way in my opinion to tackle the criticism of selectivism is to accept and show data that does not meet your (my) own expectations.

Anyway, it is not expected that my results will be completely the same as Lynn’s. There are some differences in methods (N-weighted means, separated age-groups, FLynn-Effects based on a meta-analysis which was not available when Lynn made his work, etc.) and I still have not included all his sources and especially the very old ones will may never be. So, not every deviation between Lynn’s and my data must be caused by an error, but to find out which are and which are not is very important for the further progress of the project.

Isn’t the IQ system based on how you compare to the average of others? So the average IQ for the entire world is surely 100, regardless how clever or dumb people become.

So the world’s IQ = 100

An, no.

100 is a kind of golden standard but not real ones.

Surely a lot of the figures like a lot of Lynn’s – as Ron Unz penetratingly observed several years ago – are indeed implausible as a reliable basis for inferences about the cognitive potential of several of the populations for which figures are given. If the figures in the low to mid 80s for Ireland when the UK was at about 100, for example, are a plausible basis for anything the best inference would be that the factors giving rise to the Flynn Effect had started later and/or spread more slowly in Ireland than in the UK. I am supposing it plausible that all the tests eere conducted competently and in circumstances that did not destroy comparability.

Interesting question, but it should also have adfed to it the question whether the answer differs according to country and/or culture.

Have you considered how the Greenwich Mean IQ of 100 as JT calls it may have begun to vary because of relatively dysgenic breeding setting in amongst whites of European backgrounď in the last 90 yeats? Even before total fertility rates were recorded as declining the increasing number of years in education and otherwise preparing for the comfortable professional and upper middle class before producing children would have had some effect.

The point I suppose is related to the calculations of ? Michael Woodley of ?? who has estimated the decadal decline at 1 per cent or more.

Raven’s is far from culture fair. I believe it was Linda Gottfredson who said something along the lines of people saying that Raven’s is culture fair just because Jensen said so.

I’m also amused by the selective incredulity. I don’t doubt that many (if not most) of these figures are wrong. But no one is questioning the representativeness of the samples nor even asking for the literature research methods that were used to find these samples. Because I’ve seen the spreadsheets and I can see that many studies that I know for some countries are not on the list.

Anyway, this “research” is leading nowhere as it’s not carried by competent demographers who know how to measure population variables.

100 is the standardized value, scaled so that it is set equal to the average of northern European subsamples, not of global samples. Rescaling on a global sample just involves multiplying everyone’s IQ by (100/86).

“Bolivians with a higher IQ than Israelis? ”

Bolivians have IQs and they live thousands of feet higher than Israelis, so there’s a sense in which it must be true.

What I want to know is how at least 97% of those people end up in front of me on the highway every day … particularly those DWT.

But bolivians have a avg IQ around 85 and isisraelis around 94 isn’t*

Would be interesting american [european, diaspora] jewish Pisa results …

And the supermarket checkout, get your money/card ready beforehand people

If insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”, what is “doing the same thing over and over again, getting different results, and wondering why that is”?

This is reminiscent of all those suburban moms who encourage their twenty-something sons to live in the basement and conduct a never ending Dungeons and Dragons marathon.

I congratulate Ron Unz for what is obviously an impish sense of humor.

I mean ”ancestral culture we came from”, the example of adopted foreign/or of different sub-cultural milieu] son with different psychological and cognitive outcomes to their adoptive fathers showed the friction between that ”ancestral culture all of us are products” and the culture/milieu we are raised.

Indeed sometimes when sons are more mutant than fathers/progenitors is common that this ”intergenerational natural program” be disrupted or discontinued.

This might be anecdotal, but having been both in Bolivia (a beautiful country) and in Israel, there is no way Bolivia’s IQ can be higher than Israel (even allowing than in Israel’s survey Israeli arabs are included). If you want to go further than anecdotes, see how many Nobel prizes have Bolivians have won and how many have Jews won

If figures are wrongly described or wrongly calculated, then of course that needs to be corrected.

Indeed, that’s what has to be done instead of using them to back claims with a complacent “that’s the best data we have” mentality.

Representativeness has been much debated. See the exchanges between Lynn and Wicherts on sub-Saharan intelligence results. It was also researched by Rushton.
There are about 600 studies to be added (see earlier posts about the Becker project), but we have no resources, so the pace will be slow.

No resources? You have the Pioneer Fund!

Having input from demographers would be helpful, and would be funds for larger scale testing.

So why hasn’t it been done after all this time and all these debates?

It’s hard to respect these results when the people who cite them rarely mention the considerable methodological problems involved. Secondly one must assume the ‘nurture’ factor favors western countries and western populations within third-world countries, but until we know the nature-nurture equation we can’t estimate the effect. Moreover, nearly all American self-identified blacks have some white DNA, which could be as much as 50% or more. Molyneux has attempted to correlate low IQ with criminal propensity, but this is unproven and any effect is probably drowned out by the enormous increase in minority crime following the introduction of the welfare state and the destigmatizing of random sexual relationships in the mid-60s, with consequent collapse of the nuclear family. According to an interview with a Great Society architect, their research led them to the conclusion that an intact family is the single most powerful inhibitor of criminality but discarded the result as politically inconvenient. We are living with the fruits of incompetent and insidious “social science.” And anyone who thinks blacks are going to return to Africa or move to Alaska to make way for a white ethno-state needs to get out of the house more.

A clever reply! Are you Bolivian by any chance?
But maybe the smarter Jews know they have better opportunities in the land of the goyim. How many famous Jewish geniuses live in Israel? Not very many.

Other nations yes, but the title of this article said the world’s IQ, that has to be 100, by definition.

Other nations yes, but the title of this article said the world’s IQ, that has to be 100, by definition.

LOL. My dear Mr. Neutral, I believe you are missing the point of these little contretemps entirely. Screw all that “norming the mean” boozhwah — nigga be dumb, dammit!

Test results of 550,492 individuals in 123 countries

Who? 550,492 individuals
Where? 123 countries
When? …

Before discussing more complex aspects of a sample’s representativeness, we have to know what is the year of validity of these estimates.

Israel is a safe conduct for them…

Probably because the random nature of miscigenation but i read somewhere that lighter skin color tend to correlates with better socio-economic outcomes for blacks at least in USA. In the end, very underclass blacks tend to be quite blacker. At least in South Africa and in other places as Brazil mulattos tend to ”do” better than pure-blood [bantus/western subsaharians] blacks.

an intact family is the single most powerful inhibitor of criminality

Right, but even accepting your premises we see that statistically certain groups are more prone to the bad effects of welfare.

Also, there’s plenty of pathological behavior in societies with large, loyal, intact families: Somalia, Sicily.

I need to add the Gypsies of Europe where theft is a core family tradition.

I need to add the Gypsies of Europe where theft is a core family tradition.

Uh huh. And poodles are intelligent, but misbehaving. Labs are loyal but inclined to fat. Border collies ace IQ tests, and shih-tzus are so cute!

Mother of all gods, but this IQ nonsense is demeaning to the very notion of “intelligence”.

Rescaling on a global sample just involves multiplying everyone’s IQ by (100/86).

Wrong.

You talking about Lynn’s study that found a .14 correlation between IQ and skin color?

Communist countries are smarter//higher IQ than captalists ;))

No, I don’t remember where or when I read that studies.

At least in South Africa mulattoes do better than pure-bloods.

I think we fully agree.
Remains the question of what IQ measures, in my view just IQ.
The inhabitants of Arnhem Land live in paradise, we would starve there.
I admit, a lot of knowledge must be transmitted from parents to children, but nevertheless.
A Dutch trading ship ‘discovered’ Australia by running there on the rocks.
Polynesians navigated over thousands of miles of open sea, by looking at wave patterns.
We never learned the trick.
There are many more examples of this, Burton around 1850 in E Africa discovered very clever agricultural systems.
So, I fear, IQ has a significant cultural bias.

Try to separate humans from their or from any culture and analyze their intelligence//cognition seems impossible even because culture,more or less, is the concrete expression of intellectual human “achievements”. Cultural levels (hunter gatherers from civilization) tend to reflects psycho-cognitive levels and affects pattern recognition in the way will be expected that those who has been evolved within civilizations will score higher than those who has been evolved into the “wild” or in intermediary societies, specially if in the case of civilizations, social equality has been more common than long term rampant nepotism.

Alas just assertions, no argument whatsoever.

Average world IQ of 86 sounds about right, given the subSaharan average of 70…As I recall, Dr. Thompson had earlier discussed a British study that IQs below 88 were not educable to any standard, so the situation is stark. Either 3d world immigration or your Civilization, pick one…

IQ test scores vary from one place to another. Amazing. Or rather, obviously.

So in what way do these findings matter?

We should be focusing our attention on AI.

The recent extraordinary performance by Alpha Go Zeros should give us all something to deeply contemplate. If a small number of human programmers along with a modest amount of computational resources can defeat the highest ranked players in a widely followed domain after only a few days of reinforcement learning, then how far off are we now from a great many other applications of machine learning? A great many people will now try to imitate the recently disclosed algorithms and some of them surely will be successful.

The potential for Singularity to occur over the near term is increasing. The torch of civilization has been passed to an artificial intelligence lifeform.

Why continue to argue about human IQ differences that typically are less than 1 or 2 SD?

An interesting thought. When you consider that the violence gene MAOA is found in much higher percentages among American blacks than white, yet a lot of American blacks have white ancestry, the ancestral black population that came to American must have had MAOA in even higher proportions than they do today. I wonder how native West Africans test for MAOA?

“As far as I know the 100 IQ is the average, defined as such.
Therefore an average of 86 is a contradiction in terminis.
The only explanation I can think of is the often asserted cultural bias of IQ tests.
Contrary to popular ideas IQ does not test intelligence, because never there has been a definition of intelligence that can be translated into measurement.
Therefore IQ just measures IQ, whatever it is”.

All of this is false. 100 IQ is the median, not the average (mean), IQ for the sample of people that is used to standardize tests. The only way to really standardize a test, and have it mean anything, is to standardize it via racial category. Doing anything else is an impossible task, because it would be impossible to put together a sample of people that represented the entire world. Thus, specificity to race eliminates that headache and allows for test standardization to be successful and thus meaningful. Ie: you can now know what your intelligence is as compared to a meaningful sample of the white population, or you can make a test that is standardized to the black population, Northeast Asian population, Jewish population, etc.

Thus, 100 IQ refers to the median IQ for “White people” for almost all tests that will be referenced / implemented in the west. (though, this is a highly unfortunate classification in itself, because “white” is so racially broad and ill-defined – standardizing tests to Celts or Nords would be better). If a test was standardized to Bantus, they would also have 100 as their median. And so it would go for every sample. 100 is always the median. The number is meaningless without knowing the group that the test is standardized to, and your score on the test is meaningless without knowing what group you are being compared to. All that it refers to is the median for any group sampled. Nothing more. It’s a completely relative quantity. My IQ is relatively high for a white person (though not super-elite high) but it would be astronomical if the IQ tests started to be standardized to the general population in the USA as opposed to just Whites. The new median pf 100 would likely be best represented by some ghetto population, who would hypothetically currently be around 86, as opposed to suburban Columbus which would hypothetically currently be around 100.

So, no, an average of 86 is not a contradiction in “terminis”. You’re simply uneducated as to how IQ tests work.

The assertion of cultural bias is merely the common excuse for why minorities are not as smart as groups who realize a median score of 100 or above. If there is a cultural bias, then why doesn’t it affect Northeast Asians who score higher? Moreover, the any claim for cultural bias is silly in legitimate tests that only test for pattern recognition.

And, yes, intelligence can be both defined and quantified, and if you protest on any detail as to how that it is accomplished it can simply and easily be shown then that IQ tests would act as the best, most predictable, and most accurate proxy for intelligence as measured by real world performance. Thus, there is no getting away from the fact that IQ tests are our best, and an accurate, measurement of intelligence. Asserting anything else is just a “me too” whine for lower IQ groups.

It means when you import millions of Meso-Americans and Africans and they and their descendants remain at persistent lower IQ means and hence unable to maintain pension obligations or contribute to technological advance, …

Well, we told you so.

Though the Barbadian and Bahamian scores (93 for Barbados and 91 for the Bahamas) are higher: at about the same range as the Mediterranean, Balkan and South East Asian countries and higher than most of the Middle Eastern, Central American countries, and somewhat higher than the mixed-race Spanish Caribbean. They are also higher than the scores of the South African mixed-race/mulatto Coloreds (as reported by Rushton, assuming his scores are accurate), and higher than the scores of African Americans (who have more white/non-African admixture than Barbadians or Bahamians do, i.e. Barbadians/Bahamians are more African than African Americans).

“An interesting thought. When you consider that the violence gene MAOA is found in much higher percentages among American blacks than white, yet a lot of American blacks have white ancestry, the ancestral black population that came to American must have had MAOA in even higher proportions than they do today. I wonder how native West Africans test for MAOA?”

Yawn.

The frequency of the ‘‘risk’’ allele in nonclinical samples of European ancestry ranges from 0.3 to 0.4, although the frequency of this allele in individuals of Asian and African ancestry appears to be substantially higher (*0.6 in both groups; Sabol et al. 1998).

http://www.emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Candidate-Genes-for-Aggression-and-Antisocial-Behavior-A-Meta-analysis-of-Association-Studies-of-the-5HTTLPR-and-MAOA-uVNTR.pdf

However, any labels like “the warrior gene” are highly problematic because they suggest that the this gene is specifically associated with violence. It’s not, just as alleles from other genes do not only have one outcome. Pleiotropy is the term for how a single genetic variant can influence multiple different phenotypes. MAOA is highly pleiotropic: the traits and conditions potientially connected to the MAOA gene invlude Alzheimer’s. anoerxia, autism, body mass index, bone mineral density, chronic fatigue syndrome, depression, extraversion, hypertension, individualism, insomnia, intelligence, memory, neuroticism, obesity, openness to experience, persistence, restless leg syndrome, schizophrenia, social phobia, sudden infant death syndrome, time perception and voting behavior. (59) Perhaps it would be more fitting to call MAOA “the everything but the kitchen sink gene.” (Heine, 2017: 195)

MAOA doesn’t ’cause’ crime. There are no singular genetic causes for crime.

Although many psychiatrists, biochemists, and other scientists who are not geneticists (yet express themselves with remarkable facility on genetic issues) still use the language of genes as simple causal agents, and promise their audience rapid solutions to all sorts of problems, they are no more than propagandists whose knowledge or motives must be suspect. The geneticists themselves now think and talk (most of the time) in terms of genetic networks composed of tens or hundreds of genes and gene products, which interact with each other and together affect the development of a particular trait. They recognize that whether or not a trait (a sexual preference, for example) develops does not depend, in the majority of cases, on a difference in a single gene. It involves interactions among many genes, many proteins and other types of molecule, and the environment in which an individual develops. (Jablonka and Lamb, 2014: 17)

First chapter available here.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/9780262600699_sch_0001.pdf

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/10/15/maoa-race-and-crime-a-simple-relationship/

Much like political poles, merely adding numbers to data bases produce little, if any changes to the final tally.

“The ancestral black population that came to American must have had MAOA in even higher proportions than they do today. I wonder how native West Africans test for MAOA?”

Perhaps, you could maybe be right, that the ones that came to America generally did (have higher rates) than those that did not, but I don’t know. Also, I don’t believe any black populations (other than African Americans) have so far been tested for it—at least not for the 2R version—the only study on that one with blacks compared black and white Americans.

Interestingly, the Lu 2013 study (below) in its tables 1 and 2 seems to show MAO 2R (supposedly the somewhat more “potent” version of MAO) a bit higher in the Chinese than in US whites i.e. the Chinese “community control group” at 1.3% vs. White American at only .1% in the Beaver 2013. (both American black and Chinese/Asian as well as Maori levels of 3R are than white American,)

The Lu 2013 study (tables 1 and 2pages 891-892)—MAO 2R in Chinese “community control group” apparently at 1.3%, MAO 3R at about 54-77%:
“Neither Antisocial Personality Disorder Nor Antisocial Alcoholism Is Associated With the MAO-A Gene in Han Chinese Males” (tables for both 3R and 2R)
http://cyber.sci-hub.bz/MTAuMTExMS9qLjE1MzAtMDI3Ny4yMDAzLnRiMDQ0MTIueA==/10.1111%40j.1530-0277.2003.tb04412.x.pdf

paper on just MAO 3R (page 2: roughly, from highest rate to lowest: Chinese, Pacific Islander, African, Maori, Caucasian, Hispanic—the African, Hispanic, and Pacific Islander samples though were both males and females, whereas the other groups had only males, which can obscure the results since I believe males tend to have it more.)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6466626_Monoamine_Oxidase_Addiction_and_the_Warrior_Gene_Hypothesis

It also may be complicated by the fact that it even seems that the different variants of MAO (and perhaps combinations thereof) may affect different groups slightly differently (though perhaps with different environments also having something to do with this).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3575725/

“In Caucasian populations, the 7-repeat allele is the second most common allele, followed by the 2-repeat allele. However, in East Asian populations, the 2-repeat allele is the second most common after the 4-repeat, and the 7-repeat is extremely rare (Chang et al., 1996). Studies with Caucasian samples have usually shown that risky/antisocial tendencies are highest among people with the 7-repeat allele (Ebstein et al., 1996) but sometimes show that these tendencies are highest among people with the 2-repeat allele (Keltikangas-Jarvinen et al., 2004). Studies on East Asian samples typically show that these tendencies are highest among people with the 2-repeat allele (Zhong et al., 2010) or the 2- and 7-repeat alleles combined (Reist et al., 2007).2”

MAO discussed at this blog post and its possible environments confounds:
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/10/15/maoa-race-and-crime-a-simple-relationship/

You seem unaware of Spearman’s Hypothesis. Read up on the literature. E.g.

– Frisby, Craig L., and A. Alexander Beaujean. Testing Spearman’s Hypotheses Using a Bi-Factor Model with WAIS-IV/WMS-IV Standardization Data. Intelligence 51 (July 2015): https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2015.04.007.

– McDaniel, Michael A., and Sven Kepes. An Evaluation of Spearman’s Hypothesis by Manipulating g Saturation International Journal of Selection and Assessment 22, no. 4 (December 1, 2014) https://doi.org/10.1111/ijsa.12081.

– Nijenhuis, Jan te, Michael van den Hoek, and D Willigers. “Testing Spearman’s Hypothesis with Alternative Intelligence Tests: A Meta-Analysis.” Mankind Quarterly 57 (July 1, 2017): 687–705.

Edit: “…the Chinese “community control group” at 1.3% vs. White American at only .1% in the Beaver 2013 study…”

You’re saying south and east Mediterranean countries isn’t??

Selected populations??
And colored/mixed race south Africans score much higher than pure blood blacks in South Africa.

(“are you saying”)

Bahamas e Barbados are two little nations with few inhabitants, seems very good governments, members of Commonwealth, with sizable non-black populations namely among elites living there and there, specially Barbados. I’m totally aware about Bahamas demography but seems similar to Barbados.

And I’m not suggesting (underlyingly) that “pure blood” black populations can’t produce good societies, I mean, some selected populations.

I believe that there used to bea large Germanpopulation in Rumania. Perhaps that’s where the tech workers are coming from.

Unsilenced Science also heavily criticized my piece on twitter.

If @RaceRealist88 had read my blog, this wouldn't have happened. Sad.#MAOAhttps://t.co/eRRBSBDwGs

— Unsilenced Science (@UnsilencedSci) October 23, 2017

I’m going to handle this on my blog this weekend. Singular genes are not causes for crime. It’s delusional to believe so.

According to Becker’s data, Mexico’s average IQ is higher than Ireland’s, and about the same as Southern Europe’s.

“Unsilenced science”

Lol! Dude mostly talks about politics…

That is sooo lowww it’s depressing, no wonder we have such awful Governments.

You don’t seem to understand the idea of sampling error. The DB dataset is based on a subset of the LV data. Hence, there will be more country-level sampling error, producing implausible outliers. It is not sensible to manually go over them and pick out implausible outliers.

If one wanted to do something like this, one should compute an index of data quality, then correlate that with outlier status (residuals from S ~ IQ regression would be useful).

100 is defined as British White levels, Greenwich mean IQ.

no turtle.

the reason is IQ tests are SOLD by retards like you as measures of innate ability rather than achievement. and intelligent people know that this is a distinction without a difference with the sole purpose of selling IQ tests and giving psychology PhDs something to do other than shovel pig shit.

these same tests are normed on at most 2,000 people in any given country if they are normed in the country at all.

psychologists don’t know the difference between words and things.

psychology is a pseudoscience because psychologists have low IQs.

sad!

“However, if it is “far from culture fair” then we need to know which studies show that, and understand the arguments.”

I am aware of one paper on the matter. It is a 2014 dissertation on the Tsimane, indigenous peoples of Bolivia:

Because the Tsimane , like many populations in the developing world, are experiencing
rapid transitions into the market economy, they provide a unique opportunity to
investigate variation in cognitive performance as a function of schooling. In Chapter
3 we find evidence that exposure to schooling drastically e↵ects performance on the
Raven’s Colored Progressive Matrices cognitive test. The data suggest that within
a population with cultural, genetic and linguistic similarities there are vast diifferences
between villages when measuring cognitive task performance. In fact, there
appears to be dose-response effect between schooling and Raven’s performance by
age. Children with exposure to more schooling performed better on Raven’s, while
non-schooled communities had no age effect at all. Attendance (used as a proxy for
motivation) also proved predictive of improved performance on school based subjects, and Raven’s performance. Reading was the greatest predictor of performance
Raven’s, despite controlling for age and sex. Attendance was also strongly correlated
with Raven’s performance. These findings suggest that reading, or pattern recognition,
could be fundamentally affecting the way an individual problem solves or learns
to learn, and is somehow tapping into ‘g’. Presumably the only way to learn to read
is through schooling. It is, therefore, essential that children are exposed to formal
education, have the motivation to go/stay in school, and are exposed to consistent,
quality training in order to develop the skills associated with improved performance. (pg. 83)

http://digitalrepository.unm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1016&context=anth_etds

“You’re saying south and east Mediterranean countries isn’t??”

Somewhat/more or less, I said (see chart for comparisons): (to give a few examples from each region) at about the same range the Mediterranean (Greece at 89 , Italy 89, Malta 91, Spain 92—though there may be reasons to doubt the low scores for Italy and Greece which may be a little underestimated, as may a few of the others; e.g. the very low scores of Guatemala and Nicaragua are especially questionable), some Balkan—though they vary (Serbia 92, Slovakia 87, Romania 82, Hungary 96, Bosnia 95) and some South East Asian countries—though higher than some others (Thailand 96, Vietnam at about 94 according to the old data, Malaysia at 84, Cambodia 84, the Philippines 83, Laos 82, Indonesia 80) and higher than most of the Middle Eastern (Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Jordan 79, Turkey 87, Palestine 75, Israel 90, Kuwait 89, Saudi Arabia 79) Central American/North S. American countries (Mexico 88, Costa Rica 87, Ecuador 73, Colombia 86, Guatemala 58, Nicaragua 54), and somewhat higher than the mixed-race Spanish Caribbean (Puerto Rico 72—though that seems suspiciously low for Puerto Rico—, Dominican republic at 86, Cuba at 83).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3c4TxciNeJZWUx5bzBWZ1BuMUk/view

“And colored/mixed race south Africans score much higher than pure blood blacks in South Africa.”

True (as far as I know, though I’m not certain of the quality of that data), but coloreds were historically favored relative to blacks (by the preceding regime—and I believe the studies I mentioned were conducted soon/not long after the end of apartheid), and tended to be wealthier and enjoy (and be generally permitted) more education and higher living standards, so its not clear how much of the difference is environmental and related to factors such as those.

“Selected populations??”

I doubt they’re really selected. The black populations of both descend from slaves. The Barbadian samples were also even taken from people who had suffered from marasmus and kwashiorkor (or had it when they were children—the Barbadian samples were of course of adults, which have been shown to lower IQ significantly (any selection in the samples if any, would likely be significantly mitigated by that—selection could possibly even be negative as in meaning those in atypically/exceptionally afflicted by disease, though I don’t know)

So it seems maybe it’s even possible that healthy Barbadian controls could score a somewhat higher (though I’m uncertain).

“Long-term effects of early kwashiorkor compared with marasmus. II. Intellectual performance.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3119812

“Relation of Kwashiorkor in Early Childhood and Intelligence at School Age”
https://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v5/n11/pdf/pr1971371a.pdf?origin=ppub

“Bahamas e Barbados are two little nations with few inhabitants, seems very good governments,
members of Commonwealth:…”

Yes, those factors likely do help: I would think (and I think would agree with you) that things like good government, widespread education (which is still much rarer in some other Caribbean Islands), relatively high living standards, and a relatively lower rate of tropical diseases (though they still have a moderate rate of a few of those diseases by first world standards), contributes to the better performances in those countries (and where the conditions are also significantly better than in some other—but likely not all—Caribbean and South and Central American countries (and some Middle Eastern). Also, relatively prosperous (for South America) Argentina and Chile score at 94 and 91 respectively, and Costa Rica—which is largely European in Ancestry, unlike most other central American countries which tend Mestizo-Indian—at 87)

“…with sizable non-black populations namely among elites living there and there, specially Barbados. I’m totally aware about Bahamas demography but seems similar to Barbados.”

They are about similar. There are significant non-blacks among the elites it’s true, but both countries are about 90% black in their overall populations (the non-black fraction is 10%, and the average inhabitant is primarily African genetically—about 85% (more so than African Americans are, who have more white admixture). The small non-black 10% (a category which also includes, not just the whites, but also some mulattoes—as is enumerated in the Bahamian census I cited in my comment at the link—and East Indians), would not make much difference even if it did score higher than the black majority (which it might do but not necessarily by very much).

The score from the Bahamas is also similar to the result reported below which found an overall IQ of 93 (for my comments on the demographic see comments section) based on a representative sample of secondary (late adolescent) school students.

http://humanvarieties.org/2013/03/12/hvgiq-the-bahamas/

Also, the Horn Africa countries in the chart of the new Becker study. also score (Eritrea scoring at 69, Ethiopia 66) very low (as low or lower than the other African countries) despite the peoples there having on average about 30-50% caucasian admixture (from ancient Middle Eastern migrations).

Because if this relationship were so simple, then East Asians (Chinese, Japanese) would have the highest rates of crime, and they do not.

You argue like Steven Pinker:

[T]he low-activity version of the gene is even more common in Chinese men ([55] percent of whom carry it), and the Chinese are neither descended from warriors in their recent history nor particularly prone to social pathology in modern societies.
[…]
He (deliberately?) ignores or does not seem to be aware of the high number of pathological gamblers among Asians/Chinese, that I pointed to above.

– https://www.unz.com/isteve/reforming-stuyvesant-hs-admissions-should-blacks-whites-team-up-against-asian-grinds/#comment-1814572

Addressing Path[o]logical Gambling among Asian Clients

Intentional homicide rate by country:

Capital punishment by country:

Source: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/intelligent-lifespans/#comment-1998894

A selection of my past comments on the topic. You can search my Unz Review comments archive for even more comments and information on this topic.

Currently, 55 types of crime are punishable by death in China according to Wikipedia
[…]
What many naive Westerners, who have not done any research into these matters, don’t understand is, that in order to maintain the social order and civilization in general in societies and regions of the world that contain and are inhabited by large groups of low-activity MAOA carriers, it requires harsh and swift punishments for even minor crimes to deter potential criminals, otherwise these societies and regions would drown in chaos and violence. At the same time letting people from these high-frequency low-activity MAOA regions and cultures move to the West invariably means that the West either will drown in chaos and violence if it maintains its mild punishments for crimes or that it has to become just as authoritarian and harsh as most other societies in the rest of the world.

– https://www.unz.com/jthompson/intelligent-lifespans/#comment-1999230

This is what is important to understand — which many (White/Northern European) people in my experience still fail to realize — and what distinguishes lower IQ (Africans, etc.) from higher IQ (mostly East Asians and Jews) high-frequency low-activity MAOA carrier populations/groups: Higher IQ low-activity MAOA carriers can much better gauge and “calculate” risk than lower IQ low-activity MAOA carriers can, and therefore engage in very different types of crimes, and they do so often undetected and much more successfully than their fellow lower IQ low-activity MAOA carriers.

https://www.unz.com/isteve/reforming-stuyvesant-hs-admissions-should-blacks-whites-team-up-against-asian-grinds/#comment-1821930

Introduction: White-Collar and Corporate Crime in Asia

In the case of Japan, criminological interest traditionally has been focused on the country’s much-heralded low crime rate. Given that the depth of the problem of white-collar crime goes far deeper than adjudicated cases, Japan’s remarkably low rate of common crime is likely eclipsed by the level of white-collar and corporate crime.
[…]
– http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11417-010-9093-4

– https://www.unz.com/freed/iq-a-skeptics-view/#comment-1729705

He says you ignore the 2R variant, but the Chinese study you linked does seem to show somewhat (significantly it looks) higher levels in the Chinese control group (at 1.3%), and the other Chinese groups (though unfortunately the samples there was not as big as one would like) compared to the white American rate (supposedly .1%) found by Beaver. He also recognizes the the 2R variant is high in both African Americans and Arabs. I wonder if that is a reference to the same study I found (and linked at your blog entry on MAO) that seems to shows MAO 2R significantly more common in Saudi Arabians (in a Saudi Arabian control group) than even in African Americans. I recall something like 15% Saudi vs. 5% for US blacks (someone also quoted the same thing I noticed in the paper at Cochran’s blog), but unfortunately can no longer find the full paper for free online.

I will be interested to read your upcoming entry on the topic.

Sorry I want to say: I’m not totally aware about Bahamas demography. I checked it in Wikipedia and yes Bahamas is significantly black but I can’t find any genetic study about this population. I think Barbados are more mixed and I read somewhere maybe in Pumpkin Person blog that this populations are descendent from different sources of enslaved black people than for example Jamaica or Haiti. Interestingly they still have sizable infant mortality if compared with first world countries. Costa Rica is not largely European, seems similar with Chile, a important minority of Europeans, but a majority of mestizo people. In all this cases we can see the impact of less proportion of chronically dysfunctional people on all this place (psychological factor) and good government (I mean, no dysfunctional leaders or at least no huge infestation of this assholes in the command of nation). I read in Wikipedia that tourism and banking are both huge economic sectors for Bahamian economy.

Edit: “…is primarily African genetically—about 85%, sometimes more (in both the aforementioned Caribbean countries; Bahamas/Barbados), and, as mentioned, somewhat less admixed than US blacks are on average”

(Cont: to Santoculto:)
A most recent study finds 87% African for Barbados (consistent with previous studies, and close to results from Jamaica, the Bahamas, and elsewhere in the British and French Caribbean).
‘Estimated African ancestry ranges from virtually 0 (Maya) to 0.87 (Barbados) in all the analysed populations.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms7596

About African on the horn, they are not mixed race as American blacks, I mean, from the whole continent, because they are product of much more ancient admixture, time enough to happen many “things” in this region with this populations. Other thing is that they are mixed semitic/maybe also north African variant (in this aspect I don’t know) with subsaharians and not “white-Europeans”. It’s not also that supposedly fixed “black-white admixture = avg IQ 80-85”.

I try to understand why super racist south African governments during apartheid period gave more benefits to colored people if this really happen. And I also wonder if some black south Africans during apartheid don’t accomplish “respectable’ socio-economic positions in that society, I mean, social differences within south African blacks.

Australia seems to have the highest gambling per capita:

http://www.australiangambling.lv/gambling-news/australia-ranks-1-for-most-money-gambling-per-capita-in-2013/24498/

According to a recent report in Foreign Policy magazine, Australians spent more money per capita this past year than any other people in the Asia-Pacific region. According to the American magazine’s “Sindex” study, adult Aussies spend $1,288 per year on average to fund their gaming habits.

The report goes on to show that Australians are ahead by a wide margin. Though other Asian nationalities have more of a reputation for gambling, only the city-state of Singapore ranks anywhere near Australia on the per capita chart. All other nations in the Asia-Pacific region lose half or less of the amount Australians lost per capita.

The sheer number of Australians gambling (in terms of percentages) is another remarkable feature of Aussie betting habits. The study shows that over 80% of adult Australian engage in some form of gambling throughout the year. This might involve lotteries, keno, bingo, sports betting, casino games, or poker, but one form of gaming stands out from all the rest. Most of the money lost each year is done through the pokies.

Here’s some data on gambling losses per resident:

http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2014/02/04/this-chart-shows-which-countries-have-the-worst-gambling-problems/

Unz Review commenter Afrosapiens has put it best, in my opinion:

In fact, another picture emerges when we compare countries with the world’s average, replacing the eurocentric British Greenwich IQ of 100 by an universal IQ of 84 and thus giving a more accurate idea of what is normal cognitive ability by the standards of humanity. In this sample, China, the Philippines and Indonesia are representative of the top of the bell curve whereas Ethiopia, the United States and Germany are the only outliers left with respective Universal IQs of 81.6, 115.6 and 116.6. For this reason, I recommend the use of Chinese or South-East Asian normalization samples in international IQ comparisons.

– https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/05/worldwide-iq-estimates-based-on-education-data/

Thanks for that.

re: “Bolivians with a higher IQ than Israelis? Surely there is a mistake there”

Other samples look to be in the 70s range. For example:
“DIFERENCIAS EN LOS VALORES PERCENTILARES DE LAS PRUEBAS DE VERIFICACIÓN DIAGNÓSTICA”
In this, the Bolivian raven’s mean is below Argentina’s 10th percentile.
Unfortunately, many of these studies/reports are not in English/German.

Another important factor to take into account.

Alcohol consumption:

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_Australia

List of countries with alcohol prohibition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_alcohol_prohibition

Source: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_countries_with_alcohol_prohibition.html

Alcohol, Drugs and Crime

Alcohol and drugs are implicated in an estimated 80% of offenses leading to incarceration in the United States such as domestic violence, driving while intoxicated, property offenses, drug offenses, and public-order offenses.

– https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/alcohol-drugs-and-crime

re: “The score from the Bahamas is also similar to the result reported below which found an overall IQ of 93 (for my comments on the demographic see comments section) based on a representative sample of secondary (late adolescent) school students.”

Barbados is generally curious — as the citizens do well on GMAT and GRE too, which reports scores by citizenship. As they participated in PIRLS 2016, we will have a better idea in December.

Bahamas, not so interesting — but those papers are on my old desktop.

Australia seems to have the highest gambling per capita

Australia also has a very high per capita GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Plus, it is a former penal colony so there probably is a higher prevalence of low-activity MAOA in that population:

Stain or badge of honour? Convict heritage inspires mixed feelings

And the fear that we might be cursed with a genetic predisposition towards criminal behaviour? A 2001 Victorian parliamentary report on crime in Australia found that, adjusted for population, Tasmania – with the highest proportion of convict descendants – had the second-lowest crime rate in the nation.

– http://theconversation.com/stain-or-badge-of-honour-convict-heritage-inspires-mixed-feelings-41097

No Risk, No Reward

Blunted insula activation reflects increased risk and reward seeking as an interaction of testosterone administration and the MAOA polymorphism.

Stratified for the MAOA polymorphism (S =short, L =long), … The MAOA-S variant was associated with less automatic harm avoidance as reflected in response times on safe decisions. Moreover, after testosterone administration, MAOA-S carriers were more risk-taking.

– https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28603901

The convicts sent to Australia did not leave much of a legacy among contemporary Australians. Most Australians today aren’t descended from those convicts.

Emil,

thank you for your reply. It helped me clarify how to interpret the IQ datafile. I had thought of these numbers as estimates of national IQs. Yet, after considering your comments, I think it would be best to understand the dataset as a compilation of the existing psychometric literature for future reference and research. Combining it with other sources (such as PISA) could help sort through some of the outliers.

I found it impressive that many nations appear to have realized how important establishing baseline psychometric profiles could be for their development prospects. The recent large samples from Nigeria certainly stand out as an example. Does anyone know what is meant by “representative sample” ? My guess is that it would have been a great advantage if more of the samples had been labeled “random” and “representative”.

About African on the horn, they are not mixed race as American blacks, I mean, from the whole continent, because they are product of much more ancient admixture, time enough to happen many “things”.

Possibly, it’s hard to know (re: “many things”. The migrations were mostly in the neolithic, with some maybe continuing later bronze-iron age) from Arabian and/or Syrian-like populations.

Caucasian admixture in most of the Horn (in the largest ethnic groups) is higher than in African Americans (though it is, as you say, Mid. Eastern and not European) and averages about 35-50%
I believe some of the smaller Cushitic tribes in Southern Ethiopia have less admixture (about 30-20% or ca. 30-15% in a few) but the larger groups (both Cushitic and Semitic speaking) and the countries as a whole mostly average higher (35-50%)

See various admixture tables for various ethnic groups:

http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-mota-mistake.html

“in this region with this populations. Other thing is that they are mixed semitic/maybe also north African variant (in this aspect I don’t know) with subsaharians and not “white-Europeans”. It’s not also that supposedly fixed “black-white admixture = avg IQ 80-85″.

“I try to understand why super racist south African governments during apartheid period gave more benefits to colored people if this really happen.”

General speaking, more advantages were given to (mixed) coloreds than to blacks and more to whites than to coloreds.

regarding Bahamian ancestry:
Bahamians average about 83-85% African genetically, about the same range as Barbadians and Jamaicans, and generally slightly higher than African Americans (who average about 75-83% African)
(the below finds 75% for US blacks, but some studies find slightly more, about 80-83% on average)
https://www.theroot.com/exactly-how-black-is-black-america-1790895185

Re: Bahamians, there is one dna study: which finds about 85% African ancestry for Bahamians in new Providence—and probably about 84-87% for the Bahamas overall— (and similar high fractions for the other most populous Islands, the most populous island (page 21). This is not far from the 83-90% African fractions usually found for Barbados and Jamaica—and African Americans at the highest end of the African American estimate, which though, for them tends to be a bit lower.

From ““The Peopling of the Bahamas: A Phylogeographical Perspective”
T M. Simms 2012″:

New Providence (by far the most populous Bahamian island, see population data below) is about 85% African in ancestry and about 15% European (the other islands vary (see below), but with the more African ones, generally having a larger part of the overall population.

“The New Providence and both US African American populations share similar admixture proportions (16.3%, 15.9% and 14.6%, respectively) from Europeans “(page 22)

“The G-test results (Supplementary Table 7) reveal statistically insignificant genetic differences between the Bahamian collections and several of the continental African populations (i.e., Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Guinea-Bissau and the Bantu group from Kenya) either before or after application of the Bonferroni correction. In addition, Abaco, Eleuthera, Exuma, Grand Bahama and New Providence were not found to differ significantly from the other New World groups of African descent (Haiti, Jamaica and the two US African American collections),”(page111)

“Results of the admixture analyses (Table 5) indicate that the largest genetic contributor to the Bahamian gene pool is continental Africa, with Long Island, Abaco, Eleuthera, Grand Bahama and Exuma sharing approximately 65.4%, 75.0%, 80.3%, 86.7% and 90.4% of their autosomal component with the African collections,”(page113)—(my parenthesis: The islands the two lower average African ancestry scores comprise a smaller part of the overall population, the most populous two islands by far being New Providence and Grand Bahama.)

(The Islands with less non-African admixture (overall, together)—like Grand Bahama, New Providence, and to lesser extent Exuma—have a much larger share of the population than the others):

Long island pop. 6,094, Abaco 17,224, Elutheria 8,202 Grand Bahama 51,368, Exuma 6,928, New Providence 246,329

http://www.citypopulation.de/Bahamas-Islands.html

Europe’s future doesn’t look so bright. Look at where the majority of its immigrants are coming from and their national IQ:

Turkey: 87
Syria: 77
Morocco: 81
Tunisia: 85
Egypt: 84
Iran: 78
Iraq: 87
Libya: 81
Saudi Arabia: 79
Nigeria: 70
Senegal: 70
Sierra Leon: 70
Ethiopia: 66
South Sudan: 57
Somalia: N/A

And for the UK:
Bangladesh: 73
Pakistan: 80
India: 83
Romania: 82

But maybe the magic dirt of Europe will turn them into IQ 100+ people…after another 10,000 years or so.

funny
pointless
and
worthless

unless

one is applying to harvard
to be a corrupt weasel

Did you read the article I linked to?

A recent report in Molecular Psychiatry identified a “warrior gene” connected to criminal behaviour. This inspired renewed speculation that a convict ancestry might make Australians more predisposed to violent crime.

This fear of genetic contamination from convict ancestors has existed in Australia since early settlement. Between 1788 and the end of transportation in 1868, around 162,000 convicts were sent to the colonies of New South Wales, Van Diemen’s Land and Western Australia.

An estimated one in five Australians has convict ancestry. In Tasmania, the figure is even higher. In 2009, 74% of Tasmania’s population was estimated to be descended from convicts.

– https://theconversation.com/stain-or-badge-of-honour-convict-heritage-inspires-mixed-feelings-41097

These are not insignificant numbers/percentages and, in my opinion, they are the reason for the Australian “gambling habit/problem”.

Remember, the population of Australia was only around 2 million at the end of transportation, and low-activity MAOA carriers are usually highly promiscuous. Among the Alt Right the NFL is known as https://altright.com/2017/09/24/trump-delivers-righteous-smackdown-of-negro-felon-league/ , looks like the AFL — Australian Felon League — is the white people version of that:

New research says footballers are often seedier than criminals

The study, published in the Australian Psychological Society’s journal InPsych, subjected nearly 50 AFL footballers to personality tests and compared the results to similar tests conducted on 940 convicted criminals.

The study found footballers scored significantly higher than both the social average and the offenders in measures of alcohol problems, anxiety, verbal aggression, sexual promiscuity and anti-social behaviour.

– http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/footballers-behave-worse-than-criminals/news-story/74af04116c3c99aba8ce82191f81484a?from=public_rss

Source: https://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/earlycensus/keystats

What about SD? Is it forced to be 15 or just happened to be so for a particular test they had when they started the whole IQ shebang?

According to Becker’s data, Mexico’s average IQ is higher than Ireland’s, and about the same as Southern Europe’s.

And the Irish are the second largest ethnic group in America!

Maybe that explains why China is beating the Hell out of the US of (Indispensible) America in the supercomputing, AI and quantum encryption game. Too many dumb Irish.

More likely, though, it’s that America’s genius billionaires, having made it clear that Americans who study hard subjects in university will find their opportunity in the high-tech workforce severely limited by the H1b Visa racket (not to mention PC crap): it obviously destroys the incentive for smart kids to do science.

It’s like telling you own blue collar workers, by offshoring their jobs, to basically go fuck themselves. Obviously America’s on the skids. Nothing to do with native IQ.

Europe’s future doesn’t look so bright.

The migrants might be the smart ones.

I have some doubts about national IQs below 70. I don’t see how people that are what in the US would be called retarded operate even primitive societies. How do they grow food, breed and slaughter animals, cook ect.

When they test iq they should also test reaction time. Reaction time might be a better judge of iq potential equally across cultures.

Oh, but now I see that Ron Unz already said what I said but more eloquently here, except he didn’t mention the deliberate intention of the US elite to screw their own people.

Japan as a country in North-East Asia with the highest GDP / head of 41,300 $ and a national IQ of 104-107, for example, is far below the US with a GDP / head of $ 57,400 and a national IQ of 97-99.

I think it is ridiculous to compare Japans homogeneous population to the more racially diverse population of the US. Might as well be apples and oranges.

Yes, I did, and I was already familiar with the estimates of convict ancestry. 20% of Australians have some convict ancestry. 80% don’t have any convict ancestry, and of the 20% that do, it’s only a small part of their ancestry. I don’t see what the basis is for claiming that Australia’s gambling rates can be attributed to its convict ancestry.

The AFL is also an unrepresentative sample, and AFL players aren’t comparable to NFL players in terms of criminality. They’re pro athletes who drink more, and are more aggressive and sexually active than the average, probably like pro athletes everywhere.

when you import millions of Meso-Americans and Africans and they and their descendants remain at persistent lower IQ

Ron Unz’s examination (American Conservative November 28, 2012) of the intellectual performance of immigrant groups in America appears to refute this claim. At least it appears to refute the idea that the IQ of immigrant groups is fixed, or that immigrants of no great intellectual distinction are incapable of producing children and grandchildren capable of distinguishing themselves intellectually. For example, Unz states:

Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.65

In a previous article “Race, IQ & Wealth,” I had suggested that the IQs of ethnic groups appear to be far more malleable than many people would acknowledge, and may be particularly influenced by factors of urbanization, education, and affluence.

The article should be read in its entirety by anyone who actually wants to understand the subject of race, culture, immigration, IQ and academic achievement.

I recall reading an article (might be by Steve Sailer) that while individual country’s IQ may not make much sense, it makes sense when you look at it from a regional perspective. For the most part countries from the same region tend to have more or less the same IQ, so I decided to take a closer look:

North West Europe:
UK:98
Austria: 100
Germany: 102
France: 99
Belgium: 100
Netherlands: 99
Denmark: 99
Finland: 100
Norway: 103
Iceland: 103
Sweden: 98
Switzerland: 96

PIIGS:
Portugal: 89
Ireland: 86
Italy: 89
Greece: 89
Spain: 93

Eastern Europe:
Estonia: 101 —> outlier (high)
Latvia: 99
Lithuania: 92
Belarus: 97
Poland: 96
Ukraine: 92

Czech Republic: 96
Slovakia: 88 —–> outlier (low)
Hungary: 96

Romania: 82 —–> outlier (low)
Moldova: 92
Bosnia: 96
Croatia: 99 —–> outlier (high)
Slovenia: 96
Serbia: 93
Bulgaria: 90

Russia: 95

Next up: Mideast

Middle East:

Turkey: 87
Syria: 77
Lebanon: 83
Jordan: 79
Israel: 91 ———–> highest
Saudi Arabia: 79
Oman: 84
Yemen: 69 ————-> lowest
Bahrain: 90
Kuwait: 89
Qatar: 88
UAE: 75 ——> outlier?
Iraq: 87
Iran: 78

Not sure how much the stability of the country has to do with the IQ here, Yemen is war torn and also the lowest IQ. Or is it the other way around, the lower the IQ, the less stable. But then Iraq is war torn and has an IQ of 87. Lebanon is also war torn at 83. Jordan is relative stable but at 79, UAE is rich and stable but only 75?

Here I will include the South Asian peninsula since I think they are close kin to the Persians:
Pakistan: 80
India: 83
Bangladesh: 75
Sri Lanka: 89 —-> highest
Nepal: 58 —–> lowest

So, compared with Iran, India & Pakistan are not out of line.

“Deliberate intention.” LOL. It’s not that I have a tiny head, it’s that I wrote that while simultaneously attempting to boil an egg. The egg turned out better than the sentence.

Anyone know what the gold trim around my above post is all about?
Looks pretty flash!

If this is meant as an acclamation, then I’m biting, I’m deeply honored and greatly pleased with myself.
Not to be uppity or anything, though others might now want to address me as Mr. Factorize.

In about 30 years, artificial intelligence will have an IQ of 10,000, says Softbank CEO, Masayoshi Son

Does anyone know what that means? If you can apply the rules of logic and have the same information, won’t you get to the same place as a machine with an IQ of 10,000, though it may take you longer?

Does it, in fact, make any sense to suppose that there is, qualitatively, such a thing as super intelligence, except as measured by speed and accuracy of computation and analysis?

Or are we to understand that artificial intelligence, not only efficiently solves problems that humans might solve in due course, but that they can do things that humans could never conceive of doing?

Biased in favour of E Asians?

Northeast Asia:
China: 106
South Korea: 99
Japan: 107
Hong Kong: 106
Taiwan: 108

As a group NE Asia is the highest IQ group in the world. I’m quite surprised at South Korea’s lower number. Seem to recall it was higher by Lynn. Would be interesting to see where N. Korea is.

Southeast Asia:
Thailand: 96
Cambodia: 85
Laos: 82
Vietnam: 94
Malaysia: 84
Singapore: 114 —-> outlier
Indonesia: 81
Philippines: 84

The numbers in SEA seem to be correlated with the number of Chinese in their mix. Singapore is the outlier with 70% Chinese. Thailand is 12% Chinese while Vietnamese are closest in kin to the Chinese(I think anyway, I often can’t tell them apart). The rest are mostly of the Malay extraction, close kin to South Indians. Indonesia & Philippines each has about 3% Chinese. Cambodia and Laos have next to none. Malaysia is an interesting case. It is 22% Chinese. Lynn pointed out there is a large IQ disparity between the Chinese and the native Malays, but the country experienced a lot of brain drain the past 4 decades due to racial discrimination targeted at the Chinese, many of the brightest emigrated to Singapore, which probably explains Singapore’s high number.

The Amazing Power of Deliberate Intent
http://www.abraham-hickslawofattraction.com/lawofattractionstore/product/APDI.html

Use deliberate intention to create what you desire
http://imperfectspirituality.com/2011/12/05/use-deliberate-intention-to-create-what-you-desire/

Deliberate Intentions and High Vibrational Thought
http://www.unifying.com/spirit_tools/deliberate-intention-&-thought-high-vibration.htm

North America:
Canada: 100
USA: 96 —-> did we drop 4 points since Lynn’s study?

Central America:
Mexico: 88
Guatemala: 58
Nicaragua: 54
Panama: 80

We’re in trouble. This is our largest group of immigrants. Honduras and El Salvador are not in the study, I’m sure they’re not too far off from Guatemala & Nicaragua.

South America:
Venezuela: 80 ——–> lowest (explains a lot)
Suriname: 89
Brazil: 84
Bolivia: 93 —-> outlier
Columbia: 86
Ecuador: 73
Chile: 91
Peru: 84
Uruguay: 90
Paraguay: 86
Argentina: 95 ——-> highest (why is it still such a mess politically?)

These guys don’t look too hot. I guess that explains the decades of banana republics.

Caribbean:
Bahamas: 91
Barbados: 93
Bermuda: 94 ————> highest
Cayman Islands: 74
Costa Rica: 87
Cuba: 84
Dominica: 73
Dominican Republic: 87
Haiti: 67
Jamaica: 74
St. Lucia: 62 ———> lowest
Turks & Caicos: 82
Virgin Islands: 77

These islands are all over the place. St. Lucia is even lower than Haiti, hard to imagine.

CanSpeccy, the recent AlphaGo Zero result suggests that we are looking forward to an extremely, overwhelmingly power form of emergent artificial intelligence. I am already in awe and also somewhat terrified where this will take even near term. The level of performance recently achieved by the program is simply beyond the range possible for human cognitive ability.

In the GoO demonstrations, the program started uncorking “divines”: basically truly inspired moves that everyone at first thought were unforced errors. This is where we are headed: a “divine” future. Things will start happening out of nowhere and it will only make sense as we roll ahead in time and we can see the consequences. Artificial Intelligence will move far beyond the range of human intellectual capacity. They turned off GoO once it had clearly exceeded anything that humans could achieve. If they were to keep it running, it would move to a truly supreme universal knowing.

Everyone with even a minimal amount of brainpower must be rushing to this new gold rush. GoZ only required a few programmers for perhaps a year. The bar has been lowered, there is a whole bunch of real estate open for the taking. If they can find a way to generalize the result we could be in 20 foot of green goo faster than any of us will be able to find our life rafts. Build your Ark now while you still have time!

“Vietnamese are closest in kin to the Chinese(I think anyway, I often can’t tell them apart).”

Not linguisically, though geographicaly part of the country (the sizeable northern end, but not the rest of the country) is fairly close to China, so maybe some of the Vietnamese (Northerners perhaps?) at least have more of a genetic affinity to them (I do agree they often look very similar to the Southern Chinese, the oned I’ve seen anyway. Maybe those tended to be northerners)

Vietnamese though, is in the Austro-Asiatic family like quite a few other South East Asian languages (the are a few other families as well prominent in S.E Asia besides Austro-Asiatic: Tibeto-Burman in the form of Burmese, Tai-Kadai, Austronesian), not in the Sinitic family (with Chinese), or even Sino-Tibetan or Tibeto-Burman (groups containing Chinese, or that Chinese is related to)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austroasiatic_languages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai%E2%80%93Kadai_languages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai%E2%80%93Kadai_languages#External_relationships

Wait, Ecuador is actually the lowest in South America. Bolivia doesn’t make sense, how can it be at 93 and the poorest country in South America? Wealth of countries in SA starting from poorest:

Bolivia (Per Capita GDP $6,530)
Paraguay ($8,776)
Ecuador ($11,839)
Peru
Colombia
Brazil ($15,941)
Venezuela
Suriname
Uruguay
Argentina ($22,459)
Chile ($24,170)

“These islands are all over the place:”

True, and Puerto Rico at 72 (though low 8os in the old Lynn data).

given the subSaharan average of 70

Says who?

Why is it wrong? Say we give a kinesthetic learning test scored on the number of items stacked in a given time, and a certain Asiatic tribe’s score was normed to 100. The rest of the world could score an average of 86 on the same test, and that would tell us what we want to know.

what is “doing the same thing over and over again, getting different results, and wondering why that is”?

LOL

In their defense, weather reports around here from the different prediction engines are often quite different from each other (and often quite different from what actually happens!), yet I still think they are on to something.

Why continue to argue about human IQ differences that typically are less than 1 or 2 SD?

one reason is the denial of IQ differences is the basis for the systematic psychological abuse of white children in the schools over their “white privilege.”

An IQ of 89 for Greece is in line with the results of numerous studies, but the results for Italy and Spain are shocking considering both countries have consistently scored at or above the European average. To even entertain the possibility that the average IQs of these countries are below that of Bolivia-a poverty stricken country showing little evidence of mass upwards mobility-is absurd, and calls the validity of this study into question

You have strong improvements in countries like France, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia, United States; all countries that were already well developed throughout the 20th century.

there’s a WHO pdf i found once which listed all the countries that introduced iodized salt and in what year – iirc Switzerland and the US were the earliest in the 1920s which supposedly increased average IQ (according to wiki)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodised_salt#United_States

In contrast, South Korea ekes out a miserable Flynn effect, even though studies show it was huge there, and the OECD Survey of Adult Skills 2013 show it to have by far the biggest cognitive gap between young people and old people (suggesting a very strong Flynn effect); this would make sense, since South Korea went from a Third World country in the 1950s to developed world status by the 2000s.

apparently south Korea fish consumption went up roughly 3 1/2 times from 1960 to today

http://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/fish-consumption-per-capita/south-korea/

I am frankly quite amazed how you casually dismiss all this information as supposedly irrelevant and insignificant.

80% don’t have any convict ancestry, and of the 20% that do, it’s only a small part of their ancestry.

This isn’t so much about the “smallness” or “largeness” of the degree of these people’s convict ancestry, since we are talking about just one or two gene allele variants being passed on down through the generations.

All it requires for a person to have or not have a tendency to display anti-social behaviors in certain situations, and to rather fight than flight, is for them to have a different MAOA allele variant/gene expression. Either the high-activity or low-activity MAOA allele. This is not a complex polygenic formula or trait.

The main factor is fertility rate. The only way to remove low-activity MAOA from a gene pool is for its carriers not to have any offspring or to have on-average fewer offspring than the rest of the population. As I showed above, the low-activity variant of MAOA tends to make one be more sexually active and thus probably leads to a higher-than-average fertility rate in this cohort. So unless Australia specifically has targeted/targets their convict ancestry population with some type of fertility reduction program, that section/portion of the population will only keep on growing and expanding.

The only way to stop/prevent a family like the following, for example, to keep wreaking havoc on a city and the nation is for them to either voluntarily decide to have fewer children, or to force them through sterilization, etc. to produce fewer offspring:

Nikko Jenkins’ extended family has wreaked havoc on Omaha for generations

http://www.omaha.com/news/nikko-jenkins-extended-family-has-wreaked-havoc-on-omaha-for/article_7c5fcc81-9977-506a-8e8d-14f6f2f55e5a.html

Source: http://owh-projects.github.io/sandbox/levering/

Also on AFL players; these guys are not your average, ordinary, misbehaving athletes. They literally play by a different set of rules and behave with a different level of intensity on and off the pitch than American and European football and soccer players, in my opinion. Just the fact that Australian rules football is the most popular sport in Australia is an indication to me that the Australian population/public has a higher tolerance and/or desire for violent/blood sports than the citizens of non-former-penal-colony nations. Such a craving and (high) tolerance for violence is also another trait associated with low-activity MAOA.

Bloodthirstiness in Australian Rules Football
http://wesleyanargus.com/2017/08/31/bloodthirstiness-in-australian-rules-football/

What drives our AFL heroes to become bad boys?

But Melbourne sport psychologist Daniel Dymond disagrees that fame or wealth pushes footballers to transgress.

He puts it down to a “risk-taking schema” developed by AFL players pushing themselves and their bodies to the limit.

“We love to have high risk-takers in sport, so players tend to take high risks,” he said.

“Taking risks is how they’ve learnt to get rewards – accountants get rewards by being risk averse, but you rarely see athletes succeed by playing it safe.”

– http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/what-drives-our-afl-heroes-to-become-bad-boys/news-story/4b5fee422c69daea0fba3bd40d321dc1

I don’t know if it makes any sense for me to continue to discuss/debate these topics with you though, since you strike me as being…

Fountains Of Wayne, Too Cool For School 😉 (With Lyrics)

and therefore I am probably out of my league and depth here.

Take care.

Spain IQ 92?? Portugal 89?? Greece 89?? Ireland 86??

When you look at the maps, you realize that a Mexican wall really is not needed other than as a political prop. Within the next 5 years Mexico will be below replacement fertility with the rest of South America to follow within 20 years.

That’s absurd. What will Mexico’s population be out to, say, 2050 or 2060 or so? Well over 120 million. You don’t think a couple dozen million more would like to break into the USA over that time?

The Great Southern Wall is a necessity, both practically and symbolically. Accept no substitutes.

Suriname isn’t wealthier than Brazil.

Also, in Central America (not on your list, I know), Panama moved ahead of Costa Rica years ago. That’s another nail in the coffin for the strict racial determinist interpretation of IQ and wealth.

I’m sure I recall seeing Greece rated as 95 on wikipedia at one point. (I didn’t bother to check for the source, though I assumed it was Lynn.) So 89 is still roughly in the same ballpark, but no self-respecting Greek would take having six points shaved off Greece’s score as anything but a kick in the guts.

LMAO!

Poor white kids… I sympathize.

Interesting question.

At the very least it means they are way back on the Flynn Effect escalator and apples aren’t being compared with apples.

“You argue like Steven Pinker”

I’ll take this as a compliment.

Your comment is useless. I’ve quoted Steven Heine saying that MAOA is “the everything but the kitchen sink gene.” (Heine, 2017: 195)

Good job citing white color crimes. MAOA and it’s derivatives are about violent crime. Re Beaver et al 2013.

Your comment is useless. It doesn’t prove that those who have whatever MAOA allele commit crime because they have that allele.

I think I know which paper you’re referring to. Check Sci hub for it. Anonymous Conservative used the study to show how MENA people are more violent and rape more because of the allele. He’s wrong as is everyone else who invokes this simplistic, reductionist view of crime and its causes.

I look forward to taking UnsilencedScience to school.

*make map
*find a relationship
*”the cause is X because Y!”

Stupid.

Check out per capita fish consumption. Should we draw any causal inferences on that and IQ around the world?

Plus, it is a former penal colony so there probably is a higher prevalence of low-activity MAOA in that population

There are probably angels dancing on the top of my phone screen.

Don’t make claims you cannot prove.

someone here HATE white people…

This isn’t so much about the “smallness” or “largeness” of the degree of these people’s convict ancestry, since we are talking about just one or two gene allele variants being passed on down through the generations.

Prove your assertion. Show that they have high rates of MAOA then show that its a primary cause of crime they commit.

All it requires for a person to have or not have a tendency to display anti-social behaviors in certain situations, and to rather fight than flight, is for them to have a different MAOA allele variant/gene expression. Either the high-activity or low-activity MAOA allele. This is not a complex polygenic formula or trait.

This is dumb. All it requires for a person to have or not a tendency to display anti-social behavior . . . Prove your assertion. If you take one with the low activity allele and one with the high activity allele, will they act differently 100 percent of the time to the same stimulus? If you say yes, you’re clueless. Behavior is more complex than one gene.

The main factor is fertility rate. The only way to remove low-activity MAOA from a gene pool is for its carriers not to have any offspring or to have on-average fewer offspring than the rest of the population. As I showed above, the low-activity variant of MAOA tends to make one be more sexually active and thus probably leads to a higher-than-average fertility rate in this cohort. So unless Australia specifically has targeted/targets their convict ancestry population with some type of fertility reduction program, that section/portion of the population will only keep on growing and expanding.

Where is your data showing that they have a high frequency of the allele? Why do you make bold claims that this one allele is associated with violent crime?

The only way to stop/prevent a family like the following, for example, to keep wreaking havoc on a city and the nation is for them to either voluntarily decide to have fewer children, or to force them through sterilization, etc. to produce fewer offspring:

Nikko Jenkins’ extended family has wreaked havoc on Omaha for generations

Was he shown to have the allele or are you assuming?

I don’t know if it makes any sense for me to continue to discuss/debate these topics with you though, since you strike me as being…

… too dogmatic in your position that one allele causes crime and violent/antisocial behavior. You’re very wrong.

Do you think testosterone causes aggression and criminal behavior as well?

Maybe you ate telling this Australian descendant of three convicts (1796, 1798 and 1820 – the last pardoned, the former two married with the man a British colonial soldier by 1799**) something I didn’t know but I think of Australia in the populous South East particularly as having a low crime rate, especially violent crime. And it is quite possible that there is so little continuity in AFL football with its origins that the speculated convict connection makes no sense. When I played schoolboy Australian Rules football it was quite possible to imagine playing a couple of years intra- and between- University football and, if good enough, thereafter playing a few years as an amateur in what was then a state league (the AFL grew out of the VFL). And it is worth noting that the game was invented about 1857 in the never-convict colony of Victoria when Scotch College (Presbyterian) played Melbourne’s other major private school Melbourne Church of Englsnd Grammar School.

** my ex-convict great-great-great grandmother had 60 living grandchildren when she died and I am not aware of any criminal record amongst her eventually very large number of descendants.

In their defense, weather reports around here from the different prediction engines are often quite different from each other (and often quite different from what actually happens!), yet I still think they are on to something.

It’s a real bad case of obsessive statistificating, is what it is. And, FWIW, people do that a lot. As long as they do no harm, who cares? As long as my tax money doesn’t pay for another two decimals of statistic certainty, be it IQ or microbial content of cottage cheese, it’s no skin off my nose. Even so, I cannot help but marvel at the blind men and the elephant.

Can the weather, as a trend, be predicted? Sure, right up to the point where random variations in real-time atmospheric conditions at specific loci make their presence known.

Someone up there in the comment-morass exclaimed about Argentina — as in, why can’t they get it together, nationally-spikking, they so smaaahhhht? Which induced some hilarity on my part — I’ve been there, drank the matte, walked the streets of Buenos Aires. Why is Argentina hopping on one leg? GO there, for crying out loud! Watch them being Argentines for six months, and you will KNOW “why”.

But, no, it’s IQ. Ayup.

All it requires for a person to have or not have a tendency to display anti-social behaviors in certain situations, and to rather fight than flight

Golly, such a blizzard!

The guy referred to Australia, not endemic modern criminal behavior in the American Black (now largely self-imposed) gulag.

Australia “convicts” were the sort of people the American Revolution characterized as being free men who wanted the jackboot off their necks.

Context — it counts.

Spain IQ 92?? Portugal 89?? Greece 89?? Ireland 86??

Portugal? 89? Impossivel!

Also, in Central America (not on your list, I know), Panama moved ahead of Costa Rica years ago. That’s another nail in the coffin for the strict racial determinist interpretation of IQ and wealth.

An obvious and undeniable proof that proximity to an inter-ocean canal produces epigenetic effects acting to increase population IQ.

It’s a real bad case of obsessive statistificating, is what it is.

I generally agree with you here.

However, we have a bit of a political battle where the other side wants to ascribe near zero input from IQ to public policy decisions; any deviation from equality means more must be spent on nurturing. Thus we get a dialectical battle where one side screeches for more IQ sorting and the other screeches for more radical egalitarianism.

Saying that AI will be “divine,” hardly explains what super intelligence is supposed to be.

How does such intelligence differ qualitatively from the intelligence we are familiar with? What does it do, other than analyze in accordance with the logical rules we already know and use, or imagine other than by processes analogous to those manifest by humans now?

Eu também acho….

Portuguese jokes cannot be true…

94*

Or are you counting the ”new portugueses” [0-14 years old]*

Would be interesting compare newest generations full of ”immigrants” in european and other euro-derived countries.

Saint Flynn, do a miracle please!!1

Re: Deliberate Intentions and High Vibrational Thought

Ha! My words were wiser than I knew. What is more, our elites screw us not only with deliberate, as opposed to unconscious, intent, but most likely they do it, as you point out, vibrationally too.

What’s a “polygono shuffle” of the data?

Obvious sarcasm but epigenetics is a real phenomenon.

Thus we get a dialectical battle where one side screeches for more IQ sorting and the other screeches for more radical egalitarianism.

Not my point. I mean, it’s your point and you’re welcome to it, but my opinion remains that all political argument, ref. public policy, that is based on IQ, is specious.

Obvious sarcasm but epigenetics is a real phenomenon.

Of course. How else could the IQ of Panama be greater than that of Costa Rica? After all, it can’t have any relation to the amount of money poured into Panama by the US government, and by global corporations protecting economic interests related to the canal. Money has no epigenetic power. It must be the canal.

Share the secret.

It’s not a secret. Go to Argentina; live there for six months, even a year. If you still believe Argentina should be more prosperous because it tests at a higher IQ level, you can then tell me all about it from a position of extant authority. I haven’t been there in 15 years — maybe it really WILL be all about national IQ if I go back now.

Or are you counting the ”new portugueses” [0-14 years old]*

O que? Temos agora portugueses novos? 😉

This is a non-Ascii keyboard. I cannot Alt-Number to get accented characters.

Personally, I liked the Portuguese in Brasil. They were always decent, earnest people, more honest than most. Not particularly intelligent, true, but who is? 😉

As I showed above, the low-activity variant of MAOA tends to make one be more sexually active and thus probably leads to a higher-than-average fertility rate in this cohort.

I’d say that is only true in environments where women could feed the resulting kids on their own e.g. hoe farming regions or modern welfare states cos dudes like that tend not to stick around and even if they do they spend all their cash on impressing the next woman.

I wouldn’t be surprised if those genes had been slowly selected against for millennia for that reason (and maybe rapidly going up again since the state took over feeding their kids for them).

If you still believe Argentina should be more prosperous because it tests at a higher IQ level

I thought the issue with Argentina was it scores lower on IQ than you’d expect given their ancestry?

(possible explanation? a lot of their water is naturally fluoridated and fluoride interferes with iodine)

Why do you make bold claims that this one allele is associated with violent crime?

If you read my first comment in this comments thread, you will see that I specifically make a distinction between lower and higher IQ/intelligence carriers of the low-activity version of the MAOA gene. I specifically pointed out that people with higher intelligence who carry the low-activity MAOA allele are more likely to engage in low-risk-high-reward white collar rather than high-risk-low-reward blue collar/common crime.

This is recent news from Australia:

ASIC examines tougher penalties for white collar crimes, set to triple corporate penalties

The maximum penalties for breaking the Corporations Act have not increase since the law was enacted in 1993.

“These maximum penalties no longer reflect the seriousness of contraventions and may, some cases, be substantially lower than the potential profits from misconduct,” the taskforce said.

– http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-23/asic-examines-tougher-penalties-white-collar-crimes/9078042

The following is another indicator for me that Australia is a “fight” rather than “flight” society, and likely has an above-the-white-average prevalence of the low-activity MAOA allele in their population gene pool:

20 things about Australian working culture that can surprise foreigners

Profanity has a natural place in the Australian vocabulary. It’s regularly used in workplaces to express frustration, used to exaggerate for effect, or for humour. For example, “bastard” is frequently a term of endearment in Australia and isn’t really considered swearing. But saying this, gauge the room. You wouldn’t drop the f-bomb in front of gran, or a conservative executive.

– https://www.businessinsider.com.au/20-things-about-australian-working-culture-that-can-surprise-foreigners-2015-3

Then there are things like surfing in shark-infested waters, etc. that also indicate that Australians are braver and bolder than the average Westerner.

Again, this does not have to be a bad thing necessarily, I am merely pointing out that, I believe, it is a factor in how a society operates, functions and behaves.

The Australians, for example, handle immigration in a much tougher, and many say much better, way than the rest of the “cucked” West.

One thing low-activity MAOA carriers are, for sure, not, and that is “cuckholds”. They are natural “bulls” or alpha males/females: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckservative

An example of such an “uncucked”, alpha Australian politician is Pauline Hanson, who probably has convict ancestry. She has four children from two different men, and has had many relationships throughout her life: Hanson has written about her difficult marriage where alcohol and domestic violence impacted her family. – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson#Relationships_and_children

Source: https://www.nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/celeb-news/pauline-hansons-kids-reveal-mum-is-so-embarrassing-22426

However, these countries are, in particular, in the range from 95 to 105. Japan as a country in North-East Asia with the highest GDP / head of 41,300 $ and a national IQ of 104-107, for example, is far below the US with a GDP / head of $ 57,400 and a national IQ of 97-99.

The general pattern of average IQ -> per capita GDP is proved by the exceptions – if they’re explainable.

So for example external factors pushing per capita GDP up or down from where the IQ theory would predict
– communism pushing down
– Panama canal pushing up
– Petrodollar pushing up
– banking centers pushing up (until the economy collapses and it goes down)
etc

The interesting cases imo are the exceptions where there isn’t an obvious explanation for a disparity in IQ and GDP and places where tested IQ is lower than expected from ancestry.

What would be interesting would be a list of exceptions both
– where IQ and GDP per capita are above or below the predicted line
and
– where measured IQ is above or below the value predicted by ancestry

silviosilver, you are quite right that demographics often can seem counter-intuitive.

It is best not to look at headline population counts as they can give a very distorted view of underlying population trends. For example, it was only recently that the Japanese population was officially declared to be in decline, even while the number of births has decreased for many decades. A very large ice berg effect exists that can conceal directional changes over the very long term, yet once a new course is set demographic momentum will remain for many decades into the future.

Consider Mexico. The total fertility in Mexico 20 years ago was nearly 3. This 1 baby per childbearing women over replacement drived and will continue to drive Mexican migrants to the US. However, when you roll forward and look at fertility patterns of 10 years ago, you see a total fertility at replacement.

The implications of this change are quite startling. When moving from 3 to 2, you reduce the fertility in excess of replacement from 1 to 0. Thus, over the next 10-15 years migration from Mexico could greatly diminish, if not stop. Nearly all of Central and South America will make this transition over the next number of years. It should be expected in the future that essentially every nation in the Americas will be competing for intra-regional migrants, all of whom will live in nations with fertility below replacement.

2035-2040 is particularly disturbing (see url below). In that time interval almost all of the world [except Sub-Saharan Africa] will be at or below the fertility replacement level. 7 billion people will fiercely compete for migrants from the few remaining surplus fertility nations (namely Egypt, Iraq, Yemen and the Stans).

https://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Maps/

The leverage that such migrants will have will be considerable. Many nations would be forced to fold as the bidding war for new citizens would make even tulips blush.

It is not difficult to imagine that we are quickly heading to a world in which failed nations and failed ideologies are finally allowed to fail and vanish.When you review history you can spot some obvious examples of nations that did not have it together. Nevertheless, they blundered ever onward thanks to their typically high fertility rates.

In a world of universally below replacement fertility a life of eternal failure will no longer be possible. Those nations that are not competitive will lose their population to outmigration to places which can more effectively create functioning societies. There would not seem to be a bright future for socialism.

From what I can tell this scenario is already underway. Around our way, we are seeing a fair number of Russians and others that need a way out of their societies that they likely view as unable to offer them a viable future. It is not difficult to admire many of these migrants because they often have a good mix of skills (occupational, language, social etc.) that allow them to fit into our community. However, we should all be concerned about the heartland response when migrants in the years ahead might have very minimal or nonexistent skill sets and will require essentially a custodial state to manage them.

It doesn’t make any sense to continue debating/discussing with you since you apparently lack basic intellectual honesty. The NFL and US college football are more violent games, are extremely popular in the US, and have much more criminal players than the AFL does.

If you read my first comment in this comments thread, you will see that I specifically make a distinction between lower and higher IQ/intelligence carriers of the low-activity version of the MAOA gene. I specifically pointed out that people with higher intelligence who carry the low-activity MAOA allele are more likely to engage in low-risk-high-reward white collar rather than high-risk-low-reward blue collar/common crime.

Citation? Even then, as I keep saying, the relationship is not so simple. Child abuse is a cause of the activation of the allele (reviewed in my article).

ASIC examines tougher penalties for white collar crimes, set to triple corporate penalties

The following is another indicator for me that Australia is a “fight” rather than “flight” society, and likely has an above-the-white-average prevalence of the low-activity MAOA allele in their population gene pool

You’re assuming this based only on the knowledge that they’re more criminal. That’s dumb. You have no evidence for your assertion, you’re throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Nothing is sticking.

Your anecdotes are literally useless and don’t explain a thing.

Do you hold this same view with testosterone? Do you believe testosterone causes aggression and crime? I’ll answer for you: they don’t.

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/06/18/why-testosterone-does-not-cause-crime/

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/06/10/testosterone-and-aggressive-behavior/

Lived there for 7 years. Could you be slightly more specific?

N.B, Lest you have lost track of the specific topic, my reference was to Msg. 138:

Argentina: 95 ——-> highest (why is it still such a mess politically?)

If you lived there for seven years, you KNOW why Argentina is a mess politically, and no amount of IQ score will make an iota of difference.

I’ve never understood the logic of the near-universal MSM argument that declining fertility—or even declining population—is a problem.

What’s to understand?

The corporate-controlled MSM leads the way in destroying the fertility of the Western nations with its promotion of every form of non-reproductive sex, and the condemnation of reproduction as the only form of sexual vice.

Then the corporate controlled MSM demands mass immigration not only to keep wages down, obviously, but to boost corporate profits from land development, infrastructure expansion, etc.

Thus low fertility is one part of a two-part program of national genocide: suppression of the fertility of the native-born, combined with mass replacement immigration.

So low fertility of the Western nations is one Hell of a problem: a problem like the Holocaust but conducted on a vastly greater scale, with widespread support from a race of Holocaust survivors.

The issue here is whether scaling/normalization is additive or multiplicative or both. Any multiplicative sailing will affect standard deviation. Do you want it? Additive scaling does not change SD. What one uses for 100 is arbitrary but there are different ways to arrive there.

To establish a linear scale one needs two points like the water freezing and water boiling points in temperature Celsius scale. For IQ scale they used mean or median and standard deviation of particular population of British people who were tested with some tests. The raw scores of the tests where scaled in such a way that resulted in mean=100 and SD=15. So those British people played the same role as water in definition of Celsius scale. Both IQ and Celsius temperature scales are linear but their zero point are arbitrary an thus meaningless. So it is meaningless to say t=40°C is two times higher than t=20°C because this is not what underlies the physical process but saying that the difference is ∆t=20°C is meaningful in terms of energy. But when we talk about temperatures express in Kelvins ratios have direct physical meaning. It is rather uninformative to say that your IQ or intelligence is 20% higher than mine while saying that you have 10 more IQ points is more informative.

Most people watch the Super Bowl for the commercials and the halftime show, and players wear protective gear in American football:

More people watch Super Bowl for the commercials, says Grand Rapids ad agency survey

Growing number of people are tuning in to see the ads between the tackles, according to the sixth annual online poll conducted for Grand Rapids advertising and branding agency Hanon McKendry.

– http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2011/02/more_people_are_watching_the_s.html

Millennials Are Watching The Super Bowl For The Commercials, Not The Game
And the poll suggests that people don’t mind if performers lip sync during the halftime show.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yougov-super-bowl-commercials-game_us_56b105d3e4b0a1b96203f436

The popularity of the NFL has been declining for a few years now, I think, and this trend has been accelerating since the national anthem protests began. This chart is from 2015, I believe:

Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2

AFL players are on average definitively more intelligent and probably less naturally violent than NFL players, but that does not make them less “criminal”, in my opinion and in my book, as you can read in my comments above. It just makes them a different type/category of “criminal”: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2056845

Intelligence is a or the major determining factor in how low-activity MAOA expresses itself as and in real-world behavior and actions.

Kevin Dutton: Do Athletes Have Psychopathic Tendencies?

Big Think
Published on Jan 15, 2013

Now where we start getting into the realms of criminal psychopaths is when we look at natural aggression levels and perhaps natural levels of intelligence. If you’ve got those characteristics right there that I’ve told you about and you happen to be naturally violent, and you also happen to be naturally stupid — not a very politically correct word there, but you happen to be low in intelligence – then your prospects, to be perfectly honest with you, are not gonna be that great. Okay? You’re gonna wind up smacking a bottle over someone’s head in a bar and you are gonna wind up in prison pretty quickly. Okay?

However, if you’ve got those traits I’ve just mentioned to you and you are not naturally violent, and you are also intelligent, then it’s a different story altogether. Then, as the famous Reuters headline once mentioned, you are more likely gonna make a killing in the market than anywhere else.

I agree with you that it is probably best to discontinue our discussion/debate on this topic.

All the best to you.

Take care.

You have no evidence for your assertion, you’re throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

Pursuing and telling the truth can be a messy and unappreciated business;

– https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-secret-in-your-eyes/#comment-1815864

And do you think spending days on the internet, crying over the existence of Blacks and Jews from your basement is doing any good to “your people’s” fertility rate? Or is it the mainstream media / jews that force you to be a pathetic cyber-warrior biggot instead of reproducing?

You might say the above does not apply to you, but is applies to a good 90% of the commenters of this site.

It’s always entertaining for me as a black guy. Seeing you guys get mad about interracial couples, or crying about crime like fragile little bitches, or simply just wasting your time caring about blacks and other non-whites whereas blacks and others would never give whites as much importance if they hated them too.

In the meantime, “your people’s” fertility rate is collapsing and you’re blaming everyone you can think of except the endemic frustrated sexual loser heterosexual white male.

Very entertaining.

1) Social Darwinism is not Darwinian.

2) The comment brings me to no citation for your claim. Provide a citation for your claim or retract your statement.

How did Becker come to the conclusion that Italians are low intelligence? Here is a site that shows Italy has the highest I of all White nations. One mistake this researcher did was to claim Hong Kong is a nation. It is not and has never never ever, ever been a nation. It has always been part of China, both when it was a British colony and now. It has some sort of Puerto Rico common wealth arrangement with the mainland, but Hong Kong is part of China. Hong Kong should not be listed as a nation anywhere. Because Hong Kong is an island in China.

AVERAGE IQ BY COUNTRY

These numbers came from a work carried out from 2002 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish Professor of Political Science

Average national IQs according to IQ and Global Inequality (2002)

I think your link to a comment on another thread is not the one you meant, since the it relates to a comment in which you compliment me on my intelligence (much appreciated, however mistaken) but say nothing about MAOA genes.

However, I did have a theory (based on the work of Stanley Schacter) about monoamines and personality more or less along the lines you suggest, but I later came to doubt that that the theory is correct, although the discussion was so long ago I forget now what I came to see as the flaw in the argument.

I think your bragging about your sheep-stealing ancestors, is totally uncalled for and, indeed, ridiculous.

Do you seriously believe that there is anyone on the face of the planet among whose ancestors there is not at least one, and probably dozens or maybe thousands, of murderers, rapists, thieves, and traitors.

In fact those Aussie convicts were nothing much worse than the jay walkers or un-PC bloggers who, confined to the hulks, demanded, and were granted, transportation at the downtrodden British taxpayer’s expense.

Very well said. I can’t see how a rational, happy, well-adjusted and successful person would devote as much time and energy as these people do to hating black people. Or Jews for that matter. Life’s too short. On another site one of these losers told me that there weren’t enough white women to breed with. I told him I could breed with dozens of white women if I wanted to and I’m black.

I wondered if I was being too sensitively defensive about the convict ancestry! My mother and her sisters were brought up at a time when they didn’t even know about the convict ancestry on their respectable businessman father’s side. I didn’t know about it until cousins with time on their hands (their hands not HM’s) started turning up stuff from archives and libraries and, more recently, young relatives have found National Library material on line which actually differs from what the earlier explorations found. (E.g. as to which of the descendants the founding matriarch was living with in her 80s as a pillar of the Anglican church – though born a Catholic like her first, Irish, husband….).

While the Irishman was probably a boaster about his revolutionary credentials and I guess burned some English landlords haystacks, his wife, the future matriarch, who arrived with a child and had been living in London with a forger who had forged the note for which her first partner was hanged, was convicted of a trivial offence and sent on one of the “female transports” by which the social engineers, including the Old Bailey judges, provided the colony with women. The Irishman must have had something good in his genes. His children were long lived and one son, born after he died, lived to be 98.

Very well said. I can’t see how a rational, happy, well-adjusted and successful person would devote as much time and energy as these people do to hating black people. Or Jews for that matter. Life’s too short. On another site one of these losers told me that there weren’t enough white women to breed with. I told him I could breed with dozens of white women if I wanted to and I’m black.

Same here, never had trouble dating white chicks although they’re not even my favorite type. And never heard a black guy crying like “oh white girls don’t want to date me cuz *add whatever excuse that’s oblivious of one’s own flaws*”.

Many of these guys would certainly need a sex ratio of 20 white females for one male in the population to get a chance in the white department of the dating market. But that won’t do much for their reproductive prospects since virtually no girl would reproduce with such pathetic creepy losers.

When you lecture others pedantically it is a good idea to be right. Hong Kong is/was mostly not an island though the main island was no doubt central to the attractions of what the British acquired by treaty. And was it “always” part of China? Since when? More to the point is the fact that for various purposes the treatment of separate polities with differently constituted populations as entities whose stats might be different for reasons worth exploring makes a lot of sense. E.g. off the top of my head it might be interesting to know how stats from Hong Kong and Shanghai differed over a 100 years or so and to explore why. (In the case of results of IQ tests the answers could be very varied in character).

Here’s something better:

“… school quality in the South is actually inferior and that this quality relates to level of learning.” (pg 468; https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/2010-cornoldi.pdf)

We have this table from this paper:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236970447_The_case_against_Lynn%27s_doctrine_that_population_IQ_determines_levels_of_socio-economic_development_and_public_health_status

So if PISA test scores are tests of educational attainment and not intelligence (http://www.scienzeformazione.unipa.it/doc/225/D_Amico__Cardaci__Di_Nuovo___Naglieri_2012.pdf) and PISA results are strongly affected by school quality (which is lower in the South, see above cite), then the differences in scores must come down to differences in environment, not magic MENA genes that Lynn et al speak of.

In regards to the amoral familism hypothesis Othat Southern Italians differ in amoral familism in regards to Northern Italians)(http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/amoral-familism), this has been disproved:

“However, our data do not confirm the stereotype that northern and southern Italians differ in their tendency to amoral familism as defined by Banfield.”

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022022116644986

There is a difference when we have a planned reduction of population and when we have a near risk to extinction because the number of young and fertile japaneses is expected that will reduce a lot from today.

Ron Unz, thank you for responding. There were many considerations behind my comment so I am glad that you have given me an opportunity to address them.

There will be an enormous net benefit from the global demographic collapse now underway. This is a glorious triumphant moment for humanity. Human rights laws will strengthen and global conflicts will become less and less frequent as fertility moves toward a more stable equilibrium. Excessive reproduction has been an enormously destructive force during human history. By finally gaining control over fertility, a great many of the seemingly intractable social, political and economic problems should move to resolution.

I am greatly looking forward to witnessing these improvements as we move toward the next century, at which time all the nations of the world will likely have TFRs below replacement levels.

For example, as you noted, capital could be used to increase the productivity, wages and working conditions of workers who will be in short supply everywhere. The Japanese model of innovating in order to maintain production without the need for in-migration will become standard. Developed nations have pursued a Sisyphean policy of spending vast resources to develop the human capital of their citizens, only to watch as migrants from developing nations displaced their citizens in the domestic job market. Any task can be done safely and efficiently using innovative technology, though if wage rates drift low enough such innovation will not occur.

Given all of these benefits, why did I find the 2035-40 map so disturbing?

There are a number of socio-economo-political forces that are highly motivated by endless population growth, without regards for the common good. This is clearly seen by the relentless influx of yet more migrants, at the same time that there has been one unprovoked attack after another against typically civilian targets all over the world. This development is difficult to reconcile until the full extent of the demographic crisis in the West is fully appreciated. Permitting a nearly unopposed flow of potential terrorists into our nations is a natural consequence of fertility rates far below replacement.

Now, the 2035 map.

This medium term fertility projection shows that we are moving towards the last frontier of global fertility surplus: Sub-Saharan Africa. Somehow terrorists have become normalized, is it really now that exceptionally unlikely that the substantial cultural, technological and likely psychometric differences between SSA and ROW will not also be overlooked? It will take several decades for SSA to move below replacement level fertility. During that time it will likely be highly tempting for many nations to attempt to counteract their fertility collapse by sourcing migrants from Africa. A large concern would be that the world that is approaching will be even more technologically intense then the world of today. Filling the bleachers with people who have largely rejected a techno lifestyle would only lead to their being an inmate of an eternal custodial state.

I still don’t know what is the relevance of certain “people” here if we know they are demented liars and megalomaniacals… Would be good some discrimination here to improve quality of debate… less mercy with descendent of enslaved… “humans”…

There are fantastic black people, they are not the majority in most place, specially here. Indeed such inferior traits that make some blacks insufferably assholes seems well represented here.

Self called “protectors of black people”…

my opinion remains that all political argument… that is based on IQ, is specious

You don’t have to base policy on IQ, but you should include it; otherwise you are leaving information on the table.

“You might not be interested in IQ, but IQ is interested in you.”

My reply to you ended up as #200 – as at present numbered.

such inferior traits that make some blacks insufferably assholes

I always thought that you broadcast from Brazil. Does what you said about Blacks come from your experience of them in Brazil? Which are greater insufferably assholes: Brazilian or American Blacks?

We could also get rid of those who don’t write in English.

How can I retract a claim that has not been properly researched yet?

Not only did his brain scans look suspiciously like those of the murderers, he later found out that he also possesses the MAOA-L gene that’s been linked to aggression and antisocial behavior.
[…]
Fallon thinks that the reason he turned out to be a relatively normal, nonviolent person, despite having this gene, is that he had a good upbringing (my comment here:And he probably has a respectable IQ/intelligence as well. In my opinion, intelligence is more determinant in this context than environment/abuse). But growing up in a harsher environment could have tipped him toward a darker path. “If [the brain] sees a hostile world, the only way to survive is to be hostile,” Fallon said, whereas “if it sees a normal world, it will be normal.”

– http://www.businessinsider.com/psychopath-gene-2015-7

I have not listened to this podcast, but it looks like the interviewer briefly brought up James Fallon’s IQ:

One of my favorite quotes is from Ben Franklin, who said, “The beauty of rationalization is you can rationalize anything” And you, with your 150+ IQ are a really, really good rationalizer.

– https://www.opednews.com/Podcast/James-Fallon-Psychopath-N-by-Rob-Kall-Bipolar_Brain_Caring_Dominance-140107-712.html

James Fallon is being politically correct here by not bringing up IQ — unlike Kevin Dutton https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2056979 — in connection with psychopathy and low-activity MAOA. Fallon is doing the reverse or inverse of Steven Pinker, who talks about differences in IQ but questions the validity of “warrior gene” research. James Fallon talks about the “warrior gene” and psychopathy, but never, to my knowledge, brings up IQ in this context.

Differentiation is made between:[2][11]

successful psychopaths – corporate climbers involved in irregular crime who tend to have had more privileged background, high IQ, and little risk of legal penalties.
unsuccessful psychopaths – involved in regular crime who tend to have had less privileged backgrounds, low IQ, and much higher risk of legal penalties.

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#General

You seem to be vacillating between those two incomplete positions.

Plus, you don’t seem to know the difference between the 2-repeat and 3-repeat MAOA allele — Caucasian males carry the 3-repeat allele at a rate of about 36% and the 2-repeat allele at a rate of about 0.2% http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2013/01/monoamine-oxidase-bibliography.html — and still cite the erroneous 77% figure for the frequency of the 3-repeat MAOA allele in Chinese males in your article :

as that the races differed in a gene called MAOA-L, which has a frequency in Caucasians at .1 percent (Beaver et al, 2013), 54 percent in Chinese people (Lu et al, 2013; as well as 77 percent for the 3r MAOA allele; Lea and Chambers, 2007),

– https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/10/15/maoa-race-and-crime-a-simple-relationship/

I previously debunked this, but I guess I must do so, again. A study by Lu et al found that 42 Taiwanese men, or 55% of their 77-subject control sample, had the 3-repeat allele of MAOA. Lea and Chambers copied the information incorrectly.

– http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2011/10/kill-popular-science.html

I think you need to do some correcting and retracting of your own on your article and you should watch or re-watch Unsilenced Science‘s Youtube video on this subject:

The Stupid Stupidity Surrounding the Warrior Gene, MAOA, is Stupid

Thanks for making a point that I might have made but did not; namely, that many immigrants to European society of whom you and your Afro bud are evidently prime examples, have a typical settler mentality, i.e., fuck the natives and give them poxy blankets if they’re stupid enough to accept them (or today’s equivalent, a good indoctrination in politically correct self-hatred).

Needless to say (needless, that is, to anyone who read what I said), the allegations you make about my views on immigrants are entirely of your own imagination. Indeed, I am, in fact, an immigrant myself, but nevertheless opposed to mass immigration as a method of genocide against indigenous people, wherever such a method is employed.

The consequence to interlopers such as youself of the vicious attitude you adopt to native Europeans may prove hazardous, since it may convince Europeans en mass that the only effective response they can adopt in dealing with the existential crisis created by mass immigration is mass expulsion of people such as you — or maybe just slaughter. Such things happen.

Yeah, saw that.

Cheers.

Is it still a mess politically? It seems to have taken a turn for the better this year, with the election of Macri, prosecution of his predecessor, etc.

Americans just by this revanchist culture.

Still irrelevant…with u knowledg

You don’t have to base policy on IQ, but you should include it; otherwise you are leaving information on the table.

Meh. Thumb-sucking statistics are information. For determining and establishing social policy, IQ is meaningless.

Onde você mora? Rio ou Sao Paulo? Porque você nao visita um instituto cultural? Ainda existe os ICBEUs e CCBEUs?

You need live practice in conversational American English. Your vocabulary is good, but your sentence construction and usage is still not quite right. Much improvement over the two years, but not yet “good”.

Don’t ask him for citations. He will just cite and copy/paste older comments of his that cite and copy/paste other older comments of his that cite and copy/paste older comments of his etc.

Ask him to be more clear, precise, and succinct, rather than making vague claims and then posting walls of text from his older comments.

Thanks for making a point that I might have made but did not; namely, that many immigrants to European society of whom you and your Afro bud are evidently prime examples, have a typical settler mentality, i.e., fuck the natives and give them poxy blankets if they’re stupid enough to accept them (or today’s equivalent, a good indoctrination in politically correct self-hatred).

I’m only referring to a certain kind of natives, the ones that live in the comments sections of this site and the likes. The rest of the population is just fine and I respect them as I respect any human being.

Needless to say (needless, that is, to anyone who read what I said), the allegations you make about my views on immigrants are entirely of your own imagination. Indeed, I am, in fact, an immigrant myself, but nevertheless opposed to mass immigration as a method of genocide against indigenous people, wherever such a method is employed.

I said nothing about immigrants, I also said that my remarks could not apply to you personally although the projection was quite obvious. I won’t comment more on your paranoid and hilarious mentions of a genocide against whites. Except to say it’s just hilarious.

You know, you were talking about the mainstream media discouraging whites from breeding, right? Now think a minute. Do you think a lady wants children with someone who’s afraid of a totally imaginary genocide? Do you think any woman wants to deal with such foolish insecurities? Do you have a notion of what it’s like to be a man instead of crybaby that obsesses with fictional matters? Do you ever wonder why females are so absent in these forums? Aren’t they supposed to be worried by the white genocide as well? Or is this actually just a white male issue?

The consequence to interlopers such as youself of the vicious attitude you adopt to native Europeans may prove hazardous, since it may convince Europeans en mass that the only effective response they can adopt in dealing with the existential crisis created by mass immigration is mass expulsion of people such as you — or maybe just slaughter. Such things happen.

Don’t worry, 98% of native Europeans of my generation would cosign my remarks on the obvious sexual frustration that is rampant on these forums. And in addition to this, interlopers like me are becoming friends, husbands, fathers, sons in law of those Europeans who do have a life, and so will our children. And you’re the one being marginalized with your genocidal thoughts.

한국어(한국 한자: 韓國語) 또는 조선말(朝鮮말)은 제주특별자치도를 포함한 한반도 및 그 부속 도서와 한민족 거주 지역에서 쓰이는 언어로, 대한민국에서는 한국어, 한국말이라고 부르고, 조선민주주의인민공화국과 중화인민공화국에서는 조선어, 조선말이라고 부르며, 우즈베키스탄, 러시아 등 구 소련의 고려인들 사이에서는 고려말(高麗말)이라고 부른다.

This is a good example of your lack of intellectual honesty. You concede that the NFL is the most popular sport in America by a wide margin, and even provide data to that effect, but make irrelevant remarks about the Super Bowl and commercials. You concede that AFL players are not criminal like NFL players are, but then claim that AFL players are inveterate criminals in some unspecified fashion.

Is it still a mess politically? It seems to have taken a turn for the better this year, with the election of Macri, prosecution of his predecessor, etc.

I’ve heard it’s better, but I haven’t been back in 15 years.

Ah, now I know who you are, and your specious remarks can be judiciously ignored.

And Ron Unz, don’t be such a racist. The post you deleted was intended solely to produce a reaction. Not necessary now, but hey, getting to the point works gangbusters sometimes.

Some countries may need more people. I see no threat to Australia’s security thanks to all populous Asian countries rationally preferring to have it run reasonably well as a quarry and tourist and student destination for them, inter alia, rather than controlled by a different populous Asian country. However the old “Populate or Perish” slogans of the past made sense without worrying about fantasies that Asians would see themselves making Australia’s dry land into the food bowl for their burgeoning populations. Even now it makes sense to have 25 million not too aged people to provide the necessary minimum defence forces when we have neighbours with 200 million people +.

Nonetheĺess I agree with your points and reasoning. I have long lamented the political imposdibility of, on the one hand fiscally favouring family formation by the bright and educated and, on the other, paying pensions to African heads of families who keep their daughters in education and not bearing children till 25+

Your tax proposals I hadn’t thought of. I could have happily voiced them years ago as the political candidate who preferred to be right than elected.

In short my cponcern ĺis for quality of population. With all due modesty I think I could deveĺop better ideas than those of Herren Hitler and Himler.

Most of the national IQ charts on the internet show Italy to be 102. Does Becker’ chart have Hong Kong as a nation? Hong Kong is just part of China and should not be classified as a nation.

What does it matter to American Whites anyway? We, especially White men are at the bottom of every preference. Does anyone think endless posting of IQ charts on the internet will restore civil rights to American Whites?

CanSpeccy,

AI will have a “divine” intuitive superintelligence that will be beyond far human ability.
Some will start to sense that AI has acquired a magical form of omniscience.

When Alpha Go played the “divine” move 200 million people in Asia (including most of
the global elite players) thought it was a mistake. It took some time to realize that this was not
a mistake at all.

Apart from the qualitative difference, we should expect over the next several years for supercomputer computational ability to greatly surpass that of human compute ability.
As this happens, exponential increases in “divine” ability will manifest in AI systems.

It has been observed that neural network based intelligence can arrive at a solution without
there being an obvious explanation for why this solution is in fact optimal. The question that
arises is: Should we trust AI with mission critical applications if there is no way to verify
that the answer given is actually the correct answer? This might be a paradox that we will
need to live with in the AI world.

Every IQ chart I’ve seen show the average Italian IQ as 102

I also pointed out, that

players wear protective gear in American football

which indicates/suggests that Americans care about the safety of the players, and want to see them protected and not bleed profusely, etc. like AFL players sometimes do.

Days after the study was published, YouGov panelists responded to the findings in a live survey and 63% said that the NFL should be doing more to protect its players and only 15% thought that the league was doing enough. At the center of this issue is an ethical problem that plagues many grueling contact sports. NFL fans believe that the league holds entertainment value over the safety of its players (42% to 27%). The rise of concussion studies and mounting death toll of former players certainly lends itself to this perception and again, fans who hold that the head is the most vulnerable body part are the staunchest believers that there’s too much of an emphasis on entertainment value (53%). – https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/09/25/americans-think-nfl-prioritizes-entertainment-valu/

Australian rules football injuries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football_injuries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_injuries_in_the_Australian_Football_League

Source: http://fitasaphysio.com.au/blog/sports-medicine-in-the-news-060417/

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/australia-v-england-2016-how-wallabies-and-england-players-rated-in-second-test-20160618-gpme3s.html

On “AFL players are not criminal like NFL players”; google “AFL players criminals” and you will find plenty of news coverage on the subject matter:

https://www.google.com/search?q=afl+players+criminals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

.i have read your selection from “20 things about Australian working culture etc” and what you infer from it. Frankly mate you’re full of it 🙂

Alden,

the differences in IQ between people that currently exist will have nearly no relevance once genetic engineering technology moves ahead. Given the genetic architecture of human intelligence it was never possible for any person or group to capture more than a tiny IQ advantage.

For example, no national group has clearly demonstrated being half of a standard deviation above the 100 standard. This should not be surprising, without sophisticated genetic technology, it is not clear how this could have been achievable.

Yet, it is now understood that human IQ over 1000 is possible. Simple 1 in 10 embryo selection increases IQ by a standard deviation. This technique would apply to any parents who were interested.

The first generation of such selection will experience more of an increase in IQ than has occurred during the last 50,000 years. When genetic enhancement of IQ starts up squabbling over a few points will seem ridiculous.

Creating a genetic enhancement intelligence competition, though likely not winnable in an exclusionary sense, would be an extremely large win for humanity in an inclusionary sense. It would be a very fitting way for America to exert positive global leadership.

I have long lamented the political impossibility of, on the one hand fiscally favouring family formation by the bright and educated and, on the other, paying pensions to African heads of families who keep their daughters in education and not bearing children till 25+

Is that really so hard?

Why not a large (really large) tax break to families, say $50,000 per child. This would be a real incentive to child bearing for upper income earners, while having no relevance to the welfare family. Moreover, if the tax credit were in the form of a cash rebate paid to the mother (but based on the parents’ joint income, whether they were, or remained, married), it would provide a degree of security that would lessen the incentive for clever women to pursue careers over motherhood.

As for welfare-dependent parents, I would make DNA identification of parents mandatory, women failing to identify partners losing their right to all benefits. This would make enforcement of child support payments by itinerant males more effective, with likely negative consequences for their posterity.

See The Bell Curve (Herrnstein & Murray) for a discussion of the social consequences of just a 3 point difference in average IQ scores across groups (as measured by the US Department of Labor’s NLSY data collection effort).

Obviously, (or pretty certainly, anyhow), whatever is done by computer will be done faster than by a human, so devising ingenious new moves in some board game will be done more quickly by computer than by a human. But that does not necessarily represent a new or higher form of intelligence.

Most likely AI will eliminate much middle management, a few boxes perhaps replacing hundreds of thousands of Pentagon drones (of the human kind) or corporate drudges. But there will still be people at the top making the decisions. Perhaps they will make better decisions than theretofore, because the machines will provide better, more comprehensive and more timely information than the old corporate or government bureaucracies. But the transfer of executive authority to machines is, I think, very unlikely.

Whether we should trust AI is a question posed long ago by Norbert Weiner, who defined the term cybernetics over 60 years ago. As Weiner pointed out, if you give the machine its instructions in terms of end results, it is bound to do things you had not thought of and may not under any circumstances wish it to do. Therefore, handing responsibility to the machines is unlikely, at least in the immediate future.

If machines ever acquire the intimate knowledge of the human mind, culture, emotions and will, perhaps they could be trusted to make big decisions, but the risk of sabotage, defection, or malfunction would surely make that a huge risk.

The helmets and pads make the NFL more dangerous, not less. They allow for the chronic blows and trauma to the head that are not possible without helmets and pads. You cannot hit as hard in rugby and Aussie rules. This is why there is an epidemic of brain damage in the NFL.

What rugby and Aussie rules have more of are cuts, which can look quite dramatic and serious because of the blood, but are usually minor injuries.

I don’t see any evidence that AFL players are criminal in the same fashion and to the same degree as NFL players are.

Both IQ and Celsius temperature scales are linear but their zero point are arbitrary an thus meaningless.

Which confirms my contention that people talking about people or machines with IQ’s in the hundreds or thousands are implying some kind of super-intelligence, whereas, in fact, a high IQ merely indicates proximity to the extreme of the bell curve, but on the same test as the average guy or the dope at the other end of the range.

In other words, IQ tests provide no evidence that there are some with a super-intelligence qualitatively different from that of everyone else. All that a high IQ shows is that a person is faster and more accurate than others at a particular battery of tests on which most are able to perform with some degree of success.

Perhaps there are individuals with intellectual capabilities completely absent in the mass of people, but IQ tests seem to provide no evidence of this. Moreover, there is little reason to suppose that IQ measures more than a limited range of intellectual capacities that in common parlance are considered evidence of intelligence: judgement, for example, wit, musicality and much else beside.

And Ron Unz, don’t be such a racist. The post you deleted was intended solely to produce a reaction.

Whatever’s worth censoring is often worth knowing. Can you give us the gist of it in diplomatic language?

Whatever’s worth censoring is often worth knowing. Can you give us the gist of it in diplomatic language?

It was my suspicion that “AfroSapiens” is not what he presents himself as being. My suspicions were confirmed through other means.

I’ve been around the internets since before Darpanet broke off. There’s nothing new under the sun.

Hi-yo, I hear coyotes yipping. Fall has arrived.

In case of Celsius temperature behind the linearity is the physical process responsible for expansion of alcohol or mercury in a capillary tube. If Celsius was asked if he can measure 1000°C or 10,000°C he could proceed with some experiments but first his alcohol thermometer would fail and then his mercury thermometer would fail and then even if he invented pyrometric cones to measure hight temperatures he would discover that he can’t produce temperature nowhere near 10,000°C.

In the case of IQ behind the linearity of the scale is the number of correct answers from the test. Let suppose that 100 IQ is equivalent to 50 correct answers and 130 IQ is equivalent to 60 correct answers. To measure IQ of 1000 a test with 350 questions would be needed with resolution of 3 IQ points per question. The questions would have to be progressively more difficult and the increase in difficulty would have to be exponential according to the inverse of Gaussian curve more or less. How would we know that question 259 is more difficult than question 260? Who and how would design the questions? Presumably there would be no humans who could answer these questions. So, the questions would have to be computer generated. I must stop here. I just realized I was sinning, Sorry, I was just thinking aloud. It is all nonsense to talk about IQ as something having an objective existence. I have just committed the sin of reification in which the IQists like to wallow daily in their pathetic unrepentant lives. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea máxima culpa.

IQ scale measures the degree of difficulty of simply formulated and stated abstract problems in terms of human ability to solve them. Some problems apparently can be solved by 50% and some problems can be solved by only 1% and then there are problems that can be solved only by few dozen human beings on this planet though they usually spend their whole lives to figure out the methods to solve them. (Obviously the 1% problems can be made approachable to larger than 1% segment of society with proper preparation and tutoring.) And then there are simply formulated problems in arithmetic that nobody can solve. If they produce an AI machine that can be taught everything that is known in mathematics and ask it to start solving the unsolved problems of arithmetics and get results I would be impressed. The machine would have to produce proofs and obviously we would be interested in proofs that can be comprehended by human mathematicians without and in some case with the aid of computers just like the proof of the four color theorem. But I doubt that invoking IQ scale and assigning some IQ to the the machine would have any useful purpose. Though at some point we can imagine that the AI machine society will invent their own IQ test in order to justify that the less smart machine get lower allotment of electricity, less access to knowledge databases and less maintenance time.

Don’t worry, 98% of native Europeans of my generation would cosign my remarks on the obvious sexual frustration that is rampant on these forums. And in addition to this, interlopers like me are becoming friends, husbands, fathers, sons in law of those Europeans who do have a life, and so will our children. And you’re the one being marginalized with your genocidal thoughts.

Not all blacks share your experience. Perhaps they are more realistic. This fellow could benefit form your Pollyanna optimism.

http://siliconafrica.com/why-are-africans-so-hated-all-over-the-world/
Why Africans are so Hated all over the world?
In Asia, they are hated, What harm have they done to Asians?
In Europe, they are hated, What harm have they done to Europeans?
In the middle East they are hated, What harm have they done to Arabs?
In America, they are hated, What harm have they to Americans?

This fellow is misstating the case. Blacks are not really hated. There is a prejudice among those who do not know them but it is not hate. Among those who do know them there is contempt and fear. There are some who do not evoke these feelings but they can be found only in the realm of movies like Sidney Poitier. Any real black evokes some degree of uneasiness in other races.

That was truly a bizarre point Max made about the supposed violence of AFL supporters. Fact is, we see nothing at all like the hooliganism of English soccer here. In all the AFL games I’ve been to, I cannot recall one single instance of supporters of two teams going at it – not even with just fists, let alone weapons – simply for supporting different teams.

Well sure, they’re not as white as Costa Rica, so the canal’s the only possible explanation for their ‘excess prosperity.’

Thing is, I once thought that, too. Then I looked into it. Lol, the canal is hardly the economic bonanza you think.

I told him I could breed with dozens of white women if I wanted to and I’m black.

This a huge point of pride among blacks, I’ve noticed.

Just another reason whites should not want you in their countries or societies, imo. I mean, why invite in the agent of your demise? That’s nutty.

The graph seems to show one 120 for L&V and two sub 50 for DB. Those seem to be odd and are not found in the data set. Where’s the mistake?

Repost of my comment from yesterday, which was lost in the server crash:

FORMER Socceroo Mark Bosnich has spoken out against hypocritical reporting of fan violence, suggesting recent incidents in AFL prove it is a societal issue and not one involving one particular sport. – https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/mark-bosnich-on-afl-fan-violence-problem-is-societys-not-one-sport/news-story/f0293a728c38c62c63ad0d9c17d5be10

Google “AFL fan violence”: https://www.google.com/search?q=afl+fan+violence&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Channel 7 – AFL Fan Violence

We’re back in business!

I read up a bit on Singapore; I had not been aware of its history or cultural context.
Something that leapt out of the synopsis was their government’s response to encourage
Singaporeans to have more children. Some on the thread have suggested that increasing
fertility should be a fairly simple matter of increasing taxes or providing some sum such
as $50,000.

This does not appear to have been true in Singapore. The current payment for each child has reached nearly $170,000 and the auction has likely not hit a maximal price yet.Even with this substantial inducement to reproduce Singapore has the world’s lowest fertility rate of 0.80. In fact, Singapore has a wide range of very generous social programs including health benefits etc. that should also benefit those considering having a child.

Given such a catastrophically unsustainable demographic situation, one would need to carefully consider what the IQs reported in the studies mean. In this instance looking at one statistic without any broader context is meaningless: Singapore is experiencing a demographic crisis that is probably being exacerbated by its high intelligence.

I also found it notable that this $170,000 was not for marginal fertility, but instead for all children.
Their government has to pay out for every child. This would clearly not be cheap. Other nations have
tried paying out only for the marginal child. What seems clear is that once government try to use policy levers to induce people to have more children, the modern response is for people to demand full compensation for the efforts they incur being a parent.

Parents have never been fairly compensated for their role as nurturers of the next generation. “Mom” is one of the only job designations that provides no wages, no workplace safety, no indexed pension plan, though there is a certain amount of job security. Society has essentially had a free ride on the backs of parents. When this moves into the limelight, we will need to reach deep into our wallet to fairly compensate them; anything else would be socialism by another name. America’s ante for a fair deal for parents is $500 billion per year.

However, as the Singapore example illustrates, even with such a massive expenditure, there might be no fertility benefit. The money would simply mean that the ship would sink slower. Perhaps as a result of the rising curve of intelligence people have been able to more objectively rationalize their fertility and have concluded that their rational self-interests are not served by being parents. Such a conclusion might be even more transparently obvious to people with IQs of 1000+.

Interesting to see that the lowest scoring Confucian Eastasian nation is also the the most homogenous one: South Korea (IQ 99). While the highest scoring one is the most diverse:Singapore (IQ 114.3).

Also noteworthy is the huge difference: 15.3 IQ points, a full standard deviation.

The average IQ of the MENA region, the heartland of Islam, is in the 70s. Which is well below the average IQ of African-Americans.

Arabs, Persians, Levantines, Berbers all score below the world average:

Saudi Arabia 79
Iran 78
Syria 77
Morocco 71

Deprnds what you include in “social policy”. Presumably you would agree that various educational policy details might be varied for a community with average measured IQ of 80 compared with one with 100+ average regardless of whether you think the Flynn Effect will bridge the gap in 50 years.

In Europe there is a clear hierarchy of sub-races: the Germanic nations > the Slavic nations > the Mediterranean nations.

The average IQ for Europe is around 95 which is 10 IQ points lower than the average Eastasian IQ, and almost 20 IQ points below the World Champion Singapore (114.3) the least homogenous Confucian nation.

we will need to reach deep into our wallet to fairly compensate them…

You can’t solve everything with money.

It would help quite a lot if we restored some status to child raising.

OK i’ll bite. I’m assuming it’s simplified Chinese ideographs but I can’t read it. What does it say?

It was my suspicion that “AfroSapiens” is not what he presents himself as being. My suspicions were confirmed through other means.

A sock puppet? A sock puppet implementation of AI, perhaps?

Oddly, when I said that before, the comment disappeared. Not that it’s a profound comment, after all the disappearance of my comment may have been due to a glitch. Still, worth noting, perhaps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Argentina

“During the first three decades of the 20th century, Argentina outgrew Canada and Australia in population, total income, and per capita income.[3] By 1913, Argentina was the world’s 10th wealthiest nation per capita.”

“Beginning in the 1930s, however, the Argentine economy deteriorated notably.[3] The single most important factor in this decline has been political instability since 1930, when a military junta took power, ending seven decades of civilian constitutional government.”

“up until 1962 the Argentine GDP per capita was higher than of Austria, Italy, Japan and of its former colonial master, Spain”

Is the Romanian average being dragged down by the Roma/Gypsy population?

The average IQ of the Indian Subcontinent is in the very low 80s. The stark difference in the region is between Sri Lanka (IQ 89) in the far south and Nepal (IQ 58.4) in the far north.

The difference is striking: 30.6 IQ points. Worth noting here that Nepal is a racially diverse nation of Indians and Tibeto-Burman mongoloids and mixed race people.

Also worth noting is that the great majority of Nepalese are hindus while the great majority of Sri Lankans are Buddhists. Interesting tidbit: Buddha was born a hindu in southern Nepal (which remains mostly Indic to this day).

cos dudes like that tend not to stick around and even if they do they spend all their cash on impressing the next woman.

Or they have so much money and power, that they can take care of lots of children; check out my comment here:

Genghis Khan very, very likely was a carrier of the low-activity MAOA allele, the “warrior gene.”

1 in 200 Men Direct Descendants of Genghis Khan

– https://www.unz.com/gnxp/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan/

– https://www.unz.com/runz/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/#comment-1866207

You had left some really perceptive and insightful comments in this comments thread, that were unfortunately lost in yesterday’s server crash, I believe.

I especially liked your comment on how “shallow affect” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_affect_display individuals crave adrenaline and dopamine hits and highs, and how you thought that this might explain the wide-spread gambling addiction in the Chinese.

I completely agree with you that these individuals seek out adrenaline and dopamine-releasing experiences, and I also, like you, believe that this is the reason for the Chinese’s gambling addiction problem, and also the explanation for the Chinese opium addiction epidemics of the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China

But it is not all bad news. I have speculated that this “shallow affect” effect actually gives one an advantage in stressful test taking situations, etc. More on this in the following comments thread:

The blank slate response would be to explain that away as lighter skinned blacks having white privilege, suffering less racism.

Yes, though every contribution made that benefits the community should be fairly compensated.

If you went to a restaurant and declined to pay because you told them money doesn’t solve everything, they would not be sure what was meant. Fair monetary compensated for all effort is a fundamentally important concept of modern capitalism. Furthermore, the upcoming storm of technology will likely dramatically reduce the economic prospects of the next generation. Expecting people to take a substantial risk by having children that might have no economic future without fairly compensating them might lead to a future in which the next generation will be enriched in the low IQ they inherited from their parents who were unable to clearly foresee the trajectory of technology.

This is an Ayd Rand moment: We can either pay up or we can occupy the low moral ground of expecting others to selflessly work for us without being fairly rewarded. It is very surprising that the most important items in any financial statement are usually absent. Yet, when someone is paid on a professional basis for the same or similar services they will always be accounted for to the minute and at the top billing rate.

If we want cute little moppets around, we might need to stop free riding.
From the experience of Singapore, we should that this could be very very expensive and
ultimately not even correct the problem that it nominally addressed (i.e., extremely low fertility).

It’s written in the Korean alphabet. It’s a copy and paste of the first paragraph from the Korean Wikipedia page on the Korean language:

https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/한국어

It might be very helpful for those on the thread to be less obsessed about the IQs as reported studies and more concerned with real world outcome measures.

Real world outcome measures should be reflective of the underlying psychometric reality while being less prone to political manipulations. Also, intelligence that is only potential and not realized is like a motor that could function at a higher level of performance though for some reason does not actually demonstrate its true strengths.

For example, having internet access is almost a necessity to functioning meaningfully in the modern world. Notice below that Bermuda is ranked number 1 in the world in percent internet connected (see wiki article on internet connectedness). While surprisingly China barely has 50% coverage. Statisitics such as these and many others appear to be highly correlated to the reported IQ levels, while also providing a finer tuning for some nations. If life is an intelligence test, then this intelligence should discernible from almost any social measure of a population.

Such comparisons could be a useful substitute for arguing about g which some experts believe is a fixed property of the brain. There is no particular reason to expect that if a nation create a national strategy to pursue some specific goal ( e.g. internet uptake or electricification) that it would not be able to achieve such a target and in doing so make a meaningful contribution to improving the adaptability and perhaps real world intelligence of its citizens.

I have speculated that this “shallow affect” effect actually gives one an advantage in stressful test taking situations, etc.

makes sense imo

Psychologists I’ve talked to and seen online say the whole High-IQ Israeli /Askhkenazi thing is an illusion based on ignoring wide sampling, jimmying data, cronyism, cheating, and proponents simply lying. Not unlike what we see from the Chinese and Japanese lately. Having lived in all these countries, I think lazy researchers are focusing on a few cities and seeing what they want to see. One retired psychologist I talked to said he had plenty of contrary research based on years as a consultant to said governments, but it was unpublishable in today’s climate.

Many Nobel prizes, especially in Economics, seem rip-offs of other’s work by PC figures.

BTW, I having to sign in as Anon as the website suddenly dropped my info then when I re-entered rejected it as I don’ t remember my sign-in name. A little flexibility for old gentlemen, please?

Thank you. I wish I had had more confidence in my first instinct which suggested it might be Korean because there were some characters that didn’t look like Chinese or Japanese to me but prompted the thought that I had seen some Korean script with those shapes.

This is already done because the FLynn effect adjustments are done relative to some older UK standardization samples.

Yup. It was a way to tell santoculto that I don’t get his dialect and that we might as well start talking Korean.

Yes, and exclusively this factor and they accuse us to be simplistic…

you’re useless here and everywhere…

it’s my creole ”language”… ”SAPIENS”

Deprnds what you include in “social policy”. Presumably you would agree that various educational policy details might be varied for a community with average measured IQ of 80 compared with one with 100+ average regardless of whether you think the Flynn Effect will bridge the gap in 50 years.

No, I do not agree. Nor do I believe that “social policy” should direct public education. Now, don’t misunderstand me, I’m not denying the potential value of public education; I simply note that, 99.999 times out of 100, IQ is irrelevant to the goals of public education as it is, and has been, implemented. I give you the current state of the American public education system as proof.

Psychologists I’ve talked to and seen online say the whole High-IQ Israeli /Askhkenazi thing is an illusion based on ignoring wide sampling, jimmying data, cronyism, cheating, and proponents simply lying.

There is a eugenic component to Jewish culture in Western nations that must impact Jewish IQ: poor Jews tend to drop out (in part because membership of the Synagogue is a real financial burden), while smart Jews, marrying out, tend to marry into the higher IQ ranks of the goyim, e.g., Jared Kushner and Invanka Trump. Such effects provide an explanation for an actual superiority in Jewish IQ over non Jews.

Other groups obviously work the same way. For example, Episcopalians, who in some study were shown to have IQ’s comparable to that of Jews, are surely the kind of people who aim to marry the right kind of people, i.e., richer, and therefore probably higher IQ, people like themselves.

Professor Kevin MacDonald has much to say about Jewish eugenics which may explain the distaste many Jews seem to have for his apparently sound scholarship.

Since you provide no references or rationale for your sweeping and ridiculous-sounding generalizations, your comments are not interesting.

However, as the Singapore example illustrates, even with such a massive expenditure, there might be no fertility benefit. The money would simply mean that the ship would sink slower. Perhaps as a result of the rising curve of intelligence people have been able to more objectively rationalize their fertility and have concluded that their rational self-interests are not served by being parents. Such a conclusion might be even more transparently obvious to people with IQs of 1000+.

It is absurd to speculate on the fertility of the Singaporeans without some knowledge of demographics of a country mainly of immigrants, many non-resident. And some fact checking would be in order too. The fertility rate of Singapore is not 0.8 but 1.2.

Pay no attention to Afrosap, he’s just a semi-intelligent sock puppet running on a primitive AI system.

Some on the thread have suggested that increasing
fertility should be a fairly simple matter of increasing taxes or providing some sum such
as $50,000.

Perhaps you are referring to my proposal. If so, you have not understood it. I proposed “a large (really large) tax break to families, say $50,000 per child,” the benefit to be paid in cash to the mother.

So note:

First, this is a benefit for the well off only, not for everyone. It’s objective is to promote the fertility of the economically successful, while giving no incentive whatever to those who are unable to support themselves.

Second, the payment goes to the mother in cash, i.e., the parents pay their taxes, then the tax department sends a tax refund to the mother. That means that the mother has some economic security based on her partner’s income even if the couple split after a child has been conceived. Thus the measure would provide intelligent women an incentive to raise children as an alternative to pursuing the economic security of a high-paying career.

As it is, we have a system of economic incentives and social pressures that drive intelligent girls onto an anti-family career path. We have, in fact, a totally dysgenic population policy, that encourages dumb, lazy or sociopathic women and irresponsible males to reproduce, at the cost of impairing the fertility of our most able, responsible, and energetic citizens.

How dumb can white people be? Well just look at America, Canada, Britain, etc., and you can see white people are so dumb they are committing suicide by self-imposed fertility restrictions plus especially on the genetically fit, while replacing themselves en masse by people (good people for the most part, no doubt) from elsewhere.

Or if that’s not dumb it’s the crime of the age, a genocide to exceed all past genocides.

I just found this study:

Aggressive Driving on Australian Roads
Amanda N. Stephens, Michael Fitzharris
Monash Univeristy Accident Research Centre, Monash University, Victoria Australia

Proceedings of the 2017 Australasian Road Safety Conference 10th–12thOctober, Perth, Australia

“Anecdotally, aggressive driving appears to be common in Australia. […] More extreme behaviour such as chasing another driver when angry was less common, however still reported by 18% of the overall sample. […] The findings highlight that aggressive driving in Australia is prevalent and forms part of a broader pattern of dangerous driving behaviour. Aggressive driving appears to be widespread and related to other dangerous behaviours, including speeding, drink-driving and the use of a hand-held phone while driving.” – https://www.rsc.wa.gov.au/RSC/media/SiteImages/Blog/aggressive-driving-study.pdf

It is interesting to point out that the percentage of the Australian population with convict ancestry (20%) seems to correspond with the percentage of the population who display more extreme driving behavior (18%).

According to the 2016 Mobility Monitor Survey from LeasePlan, Australians are exposed to higher levels of aggression on the road than the global average based on the 4,869 drivers surveyed from 22 countries around the world. […] Among the most threatening behaviours experienced on Australian roads were aggressive gestures (60 per cent) and verbal aggression (41 per cent).

– https://www.leaseplan.com.au/news/aggressive-behaviour-road-can-be-fatal

Tailgating: the global average was 70 per cent, Australia was 77 per cent
Verbal abuse: the global average was 34 per cent, Australia was 41 per cent
Cut off: the global average was 71 per cent, Australia was 81 per cent

– https://housecalldoctor.com.au/blog/australians-among-aggressive-drivers-world-survey/

And, compared to Australia (17% ) and Asia (15%), British drivers are least likely to give other drivers aggressive gestures (12%).

– https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-news/2016/11/23/aggressive-gestures-one-of-the-top-threatening-behaviours-faced-by-drivers

She adds that Australia’s aggressive drivers underestimate the risk of road rage because they often have friends and family who do the same. […] “Australia is one of the more expressive societies in terms of aggression, particularly males. They go to aggression as a response to dealing with situations,” Cameron explains.

If this is just the way Australia acts, then what can be done to help our angry Australia? Cameron suggests learning breathing techniques to “cool down” so we don’t “bubble into outright aggressive behaviour”. – http://thecityjournal.net/news/australias-road-rage/

Convict descendants – The Voyage

Australian National Maritime Museum
Published on Nov 26, 2015

Example of how likely low-activity MAOA, average IQ individuals can potentially react when they feel they have been provoked/wronged:

RUDEST Person Ever To get Pulled Over By Police ( Highway Patrol Australia )

Fierce competition should be expected for the dwindling migrant pool

You must mean competition to keep them out. Migrants currently have zero economic value, with no forecast of improvement.

I don’t trust Lynn more than I can throw him. He wrote that Finland’s IQ was 97, when in reality it was 107. He simply picked the lower dataset. An EU IQ test, which has tested more than 1,000,000 individuals, reveals much higher IQ scores in Europe, with Sweden at 104 (migration likely plays a role) and Germany near 109. Dienekes also evaluated his Greek scores, which again he misinterpreted. Lynn has been caught fudging data more than once.

Jason Malloy is far superior.

Anecdotal evidence of the kind you mention is hardly proof of a link between convict ancestry in Australia, low-MAOA activity, and aggressive driving. The relationship could easily be a reflection of culture rather than genetics.

However, there are a number of empirical studies that show a correlation between low MAOA gene frequency and crime, so your hypothesis has definite plausibility.

I’ve always assumed that my own Scotch highland (i.e., Celtic) ancestry explains a lot. The highland regiments were well regarded components of British imperial forces, reflecting, I assume, a tendency of the highlanders to run amuk or go beserk in battle, which must be truly disconcerting to the enemy, especially with those damn bagpipes blaring.

In my case, the low MAOA trait, if I possess it, used to come out during exams, which I always enjoyed and always did very much better in than in regular class assignments. Likewise with interviews and public speaking events, I enjoyed being the focus of attention and the rush that such attention provided.

bomag, I agree that it does seem counter-intuitive, though governments seem to be actively competing for migrants who will likely only make a negative contribution to their communities. This will be doubly frustrating for many of these migrants because they most likely truly want to make such a contribution and probably had made such contributions in their country of origin.

However, you do not need to look far in the public housing estates of many nations to see where large numbers of these migrants wind up and they often are not overly happy with their fate.

This is exactly the disturbing future that I was alluding to in my post. While in a free market labor economy, many migrants might no longer offer free market value, governments have seen their value as people in need of their help. It was striking in some of the media coverage to see how joyful some of the politicians were to welcome in the Syrian migrants. This seeming paradox was resolved when it was explained that these refugees will require ongoing and intensive services from government workers.

Clicking through the different time frames for the TFRs from the original post is very revealing. When you hit the 2035-2040 interval almost the entire world goes deep blue. The few remaining nations with a TFR above replacement will then be the last places with a pool of potential migrants for the rest of the world. Even though nearly all of these nations have recently experienced conflict, it is not wildly optimistic to expect that another frenzied bidding auction perhaps only rivaled by tulipmania will then ensue. Admittedly, the citizens of the bidding nations likely will not be especially enthused.

Jason Malloy is far superior.

So I looked him up and what one can get from his metastudies is that IQ numbers in the 3rd world countries all over the place. Which makes a perfect sense. Because at best IQ tests measure cultural development and adherence to the 1st world constructed reality from which there is practically no escape in the first world countries like Japan or Western Europe. So in the Western Europe there are some regional differences like rural/city but pretty much everybody is on board. But in the 3rd world countries things are shaky and unstable. People live in several worlds there which they travel and inhabit daily. A child may go to fairly decent school funded by UN for several hours a day and return home where there is no electricity and grandma is doing voodoo exorcism. American Blacks also are hopping through several realities daily for the 3rd world ghetto to the 1st world school or work place.

I don’t trust Lynn

This guy has serious issues. He should have been “defrocked” long time ago. England has long history of tolerating their eccentrics and kooks.

which must be truly disconcerting to the enemy, especially with those damn bagpipes blaring.

You are funny 🙂 , and thank you for your feedback and forthrightness.

Monty Python – Kamikaze Scotsmen

Lykken (1982) offered an interesting theory that certain heroic types such as astronauts, mountain climbers, and world leaders might come from the same biological type as antisocial personalities. They are all characterized by fearlessness—a willingness to take on situations that would cause normal people excessive worry. This is not a bad thing; we need fearless people to explore new frontiers and take on risky challenges. – http://www.intropsych.com/ch12_abnormal/antisocial_personality.html

Man Turns Into Scotsman

This guy is a kook. He is two idées fixes man: MAOA and Vatican. I wouldn’t be surprised that Vatican is behind sapping and purification of precious bodily MAOAs somewhere in his mind.

The question of low IQ in Ireland might be a simple result of the mass out migration from the potato famine. Any population that underwent a similar event would likely also have had a similar psychometric fate. Millions and millions of Irish left in what has been described as resembling a mass evacuation. One suspects that those who remained behind might have been less capable than those who escaped. Modern genetic technology might even be able to verify this hypothesis.

Resolving such a seeming anomaly would provide a higher level of confidence in the validity of psychometrics. For it does seem quite strange that an island so proximal to England could have such divergence in IQ. It is hard to reconcile. How could England have a 5 point IQ difference with Asia, and yet perhaps a 10-15 point gap with Ireland. There might only be 2 thousand years of genetic time between these different closely situated islands, while other populations have been separated for up to tens of thousands of years with less IQ difference.

Have you pinpointed the flaw in twin studies?

Have you pinpointed the flaw in twin studies?

Good you brought it up. The flaw is in the assumption that variance V(IQ) of population IQ trait can be additively partitioned into variance due to genes V(G) and environment V(E), i.e., V(IQ)=V(G)+V(E). Only then (plus several other assumptions) one can derive the Falconer’s formula: V(E)/V(IQ)=2(r_mz – r_dz).

https://www.unz.com/jthompson/men-4-points-ahead/#comment-2044177
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/men-4-points-ahead/#comment-2044835
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/men-4-points-ahead/#comment-2045006

I wouldn’t be surprised that Vatican is behind sapping and purification of precious bodily MAOAs somewhere in his mind.

Actually, utu, this is one of the few areas where this “kook” gives the Vatican/Rome high marks and praise. The Vatican/Rome is mainly responsible for the lower frequency/prevalence of low-activity MAOA in Europeans, South Americans, etc., in my opinion. My main beef with the Vatican is on overpopulation/its opposition to birth/population control and immigration/open borders. Especially outrageous to me is the demand of the Vatican for Catholics to have open borders to prosperous, democratic, traditionally/historically Protestant nations, where they then have lots of babies and take control of the political process/system, etc. When it comes to this type of demographic warfare Catholicism is not that much different from Islam. But otherwise Catholicism is much more eugenic and peaceful than Islam, since it forbids polygamy and cousin marriage.

We have Athens and Jesus to thank for monogamy as the marriage paradigm the West takes for granted. Athens was not only the first democracy, it was the first society to insist on monogamy and shame those who divorced.
[…]
A shortage of women creates volatility in low-status men. They may — as in the Ottoman Empire, which featured harems — be turned into eunuchs or, under Wahhabist influence, be “molded into assassins and terrorists and sent off to holy war.” Or — another disturbing trend i n polygamous societies — they will hunt for brides among younger and younger cohorts — i.e. the barbarism of child marriage. (One of the most interesting points Tucker makes is that in a monogamous society “the incest taboo generally extends not only to daughters but to all young women old enough to be a man’s daughter.”)

Whether it was early agriculturalists, nomad herders, Mongols https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2057767 or Mormons, virtually all polygamous societies have suffered internal violence and continually contested borders. Islamic history comes in for particularly close and — in this sensitive historical moment — provocative scrutiny. Tucker writes: “Islam, as a civilization, has proven itself incapable of living at peace with itself, or with others.”

– https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/marriage/monogamy-for-the-win.html

I am *not* an expert at all in this field, but how I understand this scenario to be possible is for carriers of homozygous, recessive genes (even deleterious ones) to just have [many] more children than anybody else in the population, i.e. polygamy, harems, etc. It probably boils down to money and power again. A forced and misguided, not voluntary and enlightened, selection for deleterious traits/genes so to speak, due to the high socio-economic and political status of the carrier of these deleterious alleles.

– https://www.unz.com/gnxp/middle-eastern-populations-have-higher-recessive-disease-load/#comment-1515641

How do you explain the high prevalence of MAOA-2R in the Saudi population? Did Saudis select for the ”warrior gene” in the past, and now, through their cousin marriage tradition/custom, these traits are widespread in the population?

– https://www.unz.com/gnxp/open-thread-732016/#comment-1484306

anyway, there is a direct link between ancient rome’s and medieval/modern northern europe’s cousin marriage avoidance. that link is quite obviously the catholic church which adopted all sorts of roman institutional structures and practices; but more specifically i’m referring to several of the church fathers, the earliest of whom lived in the roman empire itself and who, no doubt, were very aware of the roman avoidance of cousin marriage and very likely, having been raised “in rome,” had even internalized the idea as a natural and good one.

– https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/01/12/what-did-the-romans-ever-do-for-us/

More conjecture, no evidence for MAOA in these populations. I can make a claim and look for anything to support the claim, without evidence for my assertion. That’s what you’re doing.

“However, there are a number of empirical studies that show a correlation between low MAOA gene frequency and crime, so your hypothesis has definite plausibility.”

There was a correlation between Haileys comet and inflation. Did Haileys comet cause inflation or did inflation cause Haileys comet to come? A question for the ages…

“The Vatican/Rome is mainly responsible for the lower frequency/prevalence of low-activity MAOA in Europeans, South Americans, etc., in my opinion”

This doesn’t make sense. I find it hilarious how your views are based on nothing but conjecture.

Similar to yours…

They want to mean:

”prohibition of cousin marriage//Vatican was responsible to lower frequency…”

but, south americans****

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I believe vocabulary size is a good way to analyse part of cognitive skills in very simple and effective ways specially when we need to deal with this mega-data of different sources, barrely known methods and apllication rigor. Even vocabulary must be discriminatory to people with better spatial skills over verbal ones, i think it’s a good way to do this trans-national comparisons. It’s expected that most people with higher IQ scores will score at least above avg on vocabulary size in their native tongue.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/verbal-vs-mathematical-aptitude-in-academics/#.WfiTzltSzIU

Which of my views are based on only conjecture? Sources?

There was a correlation between Haileys comet and inflation.

Yeah, but Haley’s comet comes around so infrequently it’s hard to get a good statistical lock on the relationship. However, a observed relationship published in a scholarly journal is supposed to have some statistical credibility.

It makes perfect sense.

If you have a male, low-activity MAOA carrier who is (deservedly or not) very wealthy due to taking lots of risks and aggressive business practices, etc.:

How Jews Became Smart: Anti-”Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence”
R. Brian Ferguson Department of Sociology and Anthropology, Rutgers-Newark

http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/sites/fasn/files/How%20Jews%20Became%20Smart%20(2008).pdf

( Jews (2R 1.3%; 3R 62%) carry low-activity MAOA at much higher rates than Whites (2R 0.2%; 3R 36%) according to Unsilenced Science http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2013/01/monoamine-oxidase-bibliography.html )

What about those at the pinnacle, did they need high IQ’s? No doubt, it took cunning to see good opportunities. But other personality factors besides intelligence could lead to fortune.
One could even keep this with a psychological Darwinian orientation by suggesting that risk taking, or aggressiveness-both traits often claimed to have genetic bases-led to great profit. – p.35

And in a Western Catholic/Christian cultural framework he can only practice monogamy and have one wife (at a time), whereas in Islamic culture, etc. he can practice polygamy have many wives (e.g. harems) at the same time, who do you think will have more offspring?

Of course, there is serial monogamy which can be and is practiced by Westerners (more frequently by Protestants and the religiously unaffiliated than by Catholics, probably), but this still keeps the number of offspring one single, very wealthy and sexually active man can have to a fairly limited number of children.

Compare the number of children serial monogamist Donald Trump has: 5

with the number of children polygamist Stanley Ho has: 17

Ho has 17 children born to four women. He refers to his children’s mothers as his wives.[11] Polygamy remained legal in Hong Kong until 1971.[12] – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Ho#Personal_life

China right now: Polygamy in China.

Apparently, this exec had told the Mr. that he’s actually a polygamist–not only does he actively practice it, but he’s very involved in advocating for its return in China. He says that after thousands of years of this lifestyle, there’s no way that a couple of decades of altered social norms will have any effect on making men satisfied with just one woman for the rest of their lives. – http://hkhousewife.com/china/salt-lake-meets-shanghai-polygamy-in-china/

Endogamy and cousin marriage practices/customs are not the main factor in the propagation of these genes/alleles, but they play a role, because they will keep the gene pool less diverse.

Legality of polygamy

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy

With several score of others likely involved, it would certainly be simplistic to construct a theory of personality based on the action of a single gene. However, there is no doubt that single-gene effects on personality can be striking.

The idea that the Scotch and the Africans have personality traits in common, e.g., high excitability that may be manifest as violence, seems plausible since both groups evolved in a tribal state of society, where every able-bodied man was expected to be a warrior.

However, it is a mistake to assume, if anyone does, that such hyper-aggressiveness is indicative of sociopathy, which is is characterized by diminished, rather than enhanced, affect.

I suspect you are confusing two entirely different personality types. The hyper emotional, or shall we say Scotch highlander type, prone to violence but also to panic, remorse and tears, and the hypo emotional, or shall we say Bill Clinton type, calm, calculating, unemotionally claiming to “feel your pain,” and much more dangerous than a Scotchman.

I suspect you are confusing two entirely different personality types. The hyper emotional, or shall we say Scotch highlander type, prone to violence but also to panic, remorse, and tears, and the hypo emotional, or shall we say Bill Clinton type, calm, calculating, unemotionally claiming to “feel your pain,” and much more dangerous than a Scotchman.

The question of low IQ in Ireland might be a simple result of the mass out migration from the potato famine.

You fail to grasp the difference between a fact and a hypothesis. That the Irish score, on average, lower than Americans on an IQ test because they are genetically inferior to Americans in terms of intellect is merely a hypothesis. In fact, the Flynn effect is quite large enough to account for the difference in mean score.

Until someone develops a credible method of adjusting group IQ scores for the Flynn effect, group comparisons are meaningless.

Israel has large Arab and Mizrahi populations which more than offset the Ashkenazi’s above average scores.

You doubly posted/published this comment, so I hope this comment of yours I am replying to does not get deleted by the moderators later on.

A very good point you are making, I also agree with the above:

“However, it is a mistake to assume, if anyone does, that such hyper-aggressiveness is indicative of sociopathy, which is is characterized by diminished, rather than enhanced, affect.” – https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2059339

I suspect you are confusing two entirely different personality types.

Yes and no. I don’t think and believe all psychopaths and sociopaths are calm and unemotional all the time. One can be highly unaffectionate/cold and still be aggressive. Passive aggressiveness would fall into that personality type/trait category.

I had commented on this phenomenon before. I distinguish between creativity and rationality, which I consider both to be forms/expressions of intelligence, but at the same time the “irrationality” of creative types can be highly “unintelligent”, meaning one can score very high on IQ tests and be perceived brilliant by most others, but have absolutely no social skills, common sense, etc., whereas “uncreative”, rational types can sometimes be perceived as “dull” and not be the highest-scoring IQ test takers. But they have more common sense, are more long-term oriented and calculating, as you pointed out, which makes them very intelligent, in my book. The one type takes creative risks, and the other type takes calculated risks, but they are still both risk-takers, in my opinion.

Rick Rosner’s Twitter handle, for example, is “dumbassgenius”: World’s 2nd-highest IQ. Former Jimmy Kimmel writer. Genius &/or deluded. Read my tweet-thread memoir, “How to Be a (F**ked-Up) Genius,” right here! – https://twitter.com/dumbassgenius

He would be a “worrier warrior” in my classification system. Highly intelligent, but at the same time highly “unintelligent”, because irrational:

COMT Val and MAOA-L is the “double warrior” combination/group, which is characterized by above-average intelligence/rationality (balanced dopamine levels), heightened performance under stress, and higher risk-taking and aggression.

COMT Met and MAOA-H is the “worrier pacifist” combination/group, which is characterized by
above-average intelligence/creativity (balanced dopamine levels), lowered performance under stress, and lower risk-taking and aggression.

COMT Met and MAOA-L is the “worrier warrior” combination/group, which is characterized by
below-average intelligence/rationality (too much dopamine), lowered performance under stress, and higher risk-taking and aggression.

COMT Val and MAOA-H is the “warrior pacifist” combination/group, which is characterized by
below-average intelligence/creativity (too little dopamine), heightened performance under stress, and lower risk-taking and aggression.

– https://www.unz.com/jthompson/genetics-of-racial-differences-in-intelligence-updated/#comment-1904499

Bill Clinton is likely a “double warrior” type, not brilliantly creative but intelligently rational, whereas the stereotypical Scotchman you describe would probably be a “worrier warrior” type, brilliant but bonkers, like Rick Rosner. Rick Rosner is verbally aggressive and sociopathic, in my opinion, when you check out his Twitter feed, especially towards Donald Trump. Bill Clinton is probably more physically aggressive, if one is to believe the stories about him having allegedly abused/raped several women, etc.

Both types are still sociopathic, just in less and more rational and obvious ways, and low-activity MAOA plays an important role in that behavior, in my opinion, no matter if the behavior takes place and plays itself out in the open for everyone to see, or behind closed. But you are correct, the more rational/calculating/closet sociopaths are the more dangerous ones: Confessions Of A Closet Sociopath https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2015/01/confessions-of-a-closet-sociopath/

I hope I was making sense in this comment 🙂

The bottom line for me is, that the fewer carriers of low-activity MAOA inhabit a (higher IQ) society/culture the less (passive/verbal) aggressiveness, (behind closed doors) violence and (white collar/corporate/political) corruption this society/culture will have.

However, there is no doubt that single-gene effects on personality can be striking.

Any evidence for this, any example of this? What personality traits? How do you define them and how do you measure them? And then you must identify the gene and do the correlation on large enough exploratory/training sample with large enough independent confirmatory/validation sample. The latter is often overlooked or done incorrectly when validation sample is a subset of exploratory sample or when it is too small. Actually the whole issue of validation/confirmatory tests is very interesting epistemological and mathematical issue.

The biggest problem is that the exploratory/training sample is too small, i.e., the case of overfit creating spurious correlation (like the case Davide Piffer that is peddled on this blog by Thompson or blogger res). There are 10 millions SNPs; what is the probability that one of them just lines up with 1=trait and 0=no trait sequence on a small sample of subjects and small validation sample.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-validation_(statistics)

Many pseudo scientists and aficionados of some kooky ideas like max fax here are enslaved by their confirmation bias and basically see only what they want to see from among small sets of anecdotal evidence samples. Astrology is a good example. Maybe there is PtStBS gene that is responsible for existence of people like fax max, astrology aficionados and Scots who like telling themselves the story about themselves just as you present it? The gene PtStBS – proclivity to succumb to BS.

In case of personality people always underestimate the cultural factors. Nobody likes to think of themselves that they were made so by culture but rather they prefer to see themselves inherently as being so. The same is when they think about the other and in particular about their enemies. While cultural effect are extremely powerful. They can affect the growth or atrophy of facial muscle depending on which facial expressions are preferred by a given culture. Did you see some 2nd-3rd generation American or Canadian Slavs and compared them with the Slavs on the streets of Moscow or Warsaw? They seem to have different faces.

My post that mentioned our IQ 1000+ future was lost in the server crash. I think it is important enough to repost.

This blog urgently needs a thread that discusses the potential of greatly enhanced human intelligence that could result from genetic selection and editing. It is now understood that many variants (many of which are very common) of very small effect sizes constitute the genetic architecture of human intelligence. Simply selecting 1 embryo in 10 would lead to a 1 SD enhancement in IQ. Each additional order of magnitude in selection intensity would yield roughly another SD increase in IQ. The use of CRISPR would also enhance IQ. The top of the range of human IQ is thought to be over 1000.

This information and other related scientific background greatly needs to be written up as a thread. Many of the posters here are continuing to highlight psychometric differences of less than 1 or 2 SD as if such differences are of great importance. The current science has already established that these differences could easily be bridged by any parent-to-be simply through selection. This development needs to widely appreciated in the community.

A thread that discussed this topic would help to focus the conversation on acknowledging this truth and starting a process of imagining the near future where this will be realized.

How ”MAOA” is correlated with verbal skills*

but intelligently rational

If you understand rationality via Amoral perspective…

Supposedly Bill is always thinking in balanced/rational ways and conclude by this approach,,,,

I have a theory/hypothesis/whatever that our personalities can be buildt also via levels of correspondence between the environment we are and how we adapt to it. I even ”created” the intrinsec personality and paliative/adaptative personality pseudo-concepts. The difference between just express your way to be without any external/cultural opposite forces and be forced [often, self-forced] to re-adapt in paliative ways, hiding your intrinsec personality. Being homossexual help me to think in this ways. I don’t think this strategies have the power to change personality, in ”genotypical way”, but no doubt it’s tend to force some people to re-create themselves, namely more introverted ones.

But bear in mind that we already born with ”hardware-personality traits” and this inborn traits are not fixed or too rigid, it’s mean they react to environment in flexible but limited ways and that i believe there are people who have more sensitive personalities [to environment] than others, namely those who are too agreeable.

Again, i find the results for Porto Rico and Italy quite difficult to accept. If Porto Rico have the same average IQ than Haiti so why this country is still livable*

If general avg Italy was only-90-92, how low Northern Italy [one the richest regions of Europe] will score* 96*

Thank you for your interest in my comment, however I am unable to respond to your comments because simply I do not understand them. Sorry.

Ok.

My post that mentioned our IQ 1000+ future was lost

Thank goodness. Until you’ve explained in what way a person with an IQ of 1000+ differs in mode of thought from a mere genius like Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein, let’s forget the whole subject.

However, there is no doubt that single-gene effects on personality can be striking.

Any evidence for this, any example of this?

There’s the Lesch-Nyhan syndrome, dued to an X-linked single gene mutation that impairs the activity of the enzyme hypoxanthine-guanine phosphoribosyl transferase (HGPRTase). Among the personality effects is hyperaggressiveness and self-mutilation.

I think you are mistaken in your view of sociopathy and the role of the warrior personality in society.

Concerning the latter, a society without individuals possessing the warrior personality, would have a pretty useless army, and would likely be conquered and oppressed by people of sterner stuff.

Concerning the former, there is a fundamental difference between those who are violent because they are hyper-emotional, and hence quick to anger and confrontation, and those who through lack of affect will do whatever it takes, including murder, to get what they want.

This is no place for a thesis on the psychopathic personality and its manifestations. Suffice it to say that psychopaths are reward seeking like other people, although being deficient in affect they will, if they have means to achieve them, usually focus on the most potent rewards, namely, sex, money and power.

In addition psychopaths seem often to be thrill-seekers, meaning it would appear, that it is only by doing crazy things, for example, murder for kicks, that they experience the elation that comes with exposure to risk. That is probably why the more dim-witted psychopaths are often violent criminals: violence being their only reliable means to reward, whether the rewards of theft, or the excitement of brutal violence and defiance of the law. But that is a totally different personality to the warrior-gene personality, which throughout history, has been the most honored human type.

If I shove a hot iron up your ass it will make you hyper aggressive. It does not mean however that the trait of aggressiveness is ruled by the temperature of your anus and iron content in this area.

Your point eludes me.

The commenting software still seems to be glitchy. My last comment just disappeared, so I will repeat it.

You asked for an example of a single gene effect on personality. I gave you one. The point of your remark eludes me, unless you are saying the hyper aggressiveness is not a personality trait, even if it is genetically determined. But that seems to be nonsense.

CanSpeccy, you are completely correct; the actual phenotype of a human with 1000+ IQ
is entirely unknown at this time. We probably will have to wait for the first humans with such IQs
to be born before this is clarified satisfactorily.

Yet, we do have some experience with those of a more modest intellect in the 200 IQ range. This would
be one step towards our full potential. However, even in the 200 IQ range, there would be a large impact on humanity. 200 IQ is already achievable with current knowledge and technology.

This discussion is urgently needed in order to think about how our future will be and not to falsely project our past into the future.e need to begin this conversation and have the baseline science stated so that it is obvious to all who is and who is not adhering to such a baseline.

We probably will have to wait for the first humans with such IQs to be born before this is clarified satisfactorily.

Might as well say we will have to wait for the first humans with four legs, or gill slits, wheels.

Why should we expect humans to appear with an IQ of 1000, assuming we ever decided what it means to have an IQ of 1000 and were able to measure it?

LOL,

Now my missing comment has re-appeared, along with the unmissed Afrosap in staunch support, apparently, of a seemingly aggrieved utu.

Anyhow, what’s wrong with the low MAOA gene, already discussed at length, as an example of a single gene determinant of personality.

Typo above: … meaning one can score very high on IQ tests and be perceived *as* brilliant by most others …

I think you are conflating two things/types here. First you speak of the “warrior personality” and then you talk about the “warrior-gene personality” and seem to imply that they are one and the same thing/type, when I see them as completely different/opposite personality types.

In my classification system your “warrior personality” is classified as the “warrior pacifist” (who is not a carrier of low-activity MAOA, but of high-activity MAOA in combination with high-activity COMT), which I agree with you has been the most honored human type throughout history due to this type’s self-sacrificing and selfless nature as a protector, etc.

However, this type is not the same as the “warrior-gene personality”, which in my classification system is the “double warrior” (who carries low-activity MAOA in combination with high-activity COMT). This human type is probably the most feared, instead of honored, human type throughout history.

Conflating these two warrior types is not ideal. Many thugs are attracted to and identify with the warrior archetype that you refer to, but that does not make them honored, responsible warriors. They are attracted to this human archetype for status and power and not self-sacrifice and higher ideals.

“Worrier pacifist” are probably the best suited to run countries and governments due to their above-average intelligence and tendency to avoid risk and aggression, and “warrior pacifists” are the best suited to run militaries/armies due to their heightened performance under stress and their tendency to avoid risk-taking and aggression.

Northern Europeans are the group with the highest percentage of “worrier pacifists” (35.75%), followed by Ashkenazi Jews (20%), and Africans and East Asians have the lowest percentage (13.5%) of “worrier pacifists” in their populations.

The percentage of “warrior pacifists” is pretty evenly distributed among the different groups/populations: Africans and East Asians (31.5%), Northern Europeans (29.25%), and Ashkenazi Jews (20%). The Israeli army could probably benefit from consulting with Africans, East Asians and Northern Europeans on how to improve their military/army.

African and East Asian countries and governments likely can highly benefit from hiring and consulting with Northern Europeans on how to run their countries and governments with less corruption, waste, etc.

In summary it seems that “double warriors” are best suited for the private sector and “worrier pacifists” and “warrior pacifists” excel in the public sector.

– https://www.unz.com/jthompson/genetics-of-racial-differences-in-intelligence-updated/#comment-1904499

Concerning the former, there is a fundamental difference between those who are violent because they are hyper-emotional, and hence quick to anger and confrontation[al], and those who through lack of affect will do whatever it takes, including murder, to get what they want.

I agree, but the difference between these two types is not that one of them carries the “warrior gene” and the other doesn’t, because they both do. The difference between them is rationality or high-activity COMT, in my opinion. Hyper-emotionally aggressive types I classify as “worrier warriors” (who have low-activity COMT) and calculating aggressive types, who keep their “cool” under pressure, I classify as “double warriors”(who have high-activity COMT).

“Worrier warriors” are a very special case/group… they might actually have the highest level of pure/raw intelligence (very high dopamine levels), but too much of a powerful/good thing can be a destructive/bad thing. It is all about balance

“Worrier warriors” are probably best suited for work in entertainment, the arts, etc. – https://www.unz.com/jthompson/genetics-of-racial-differences-in-intelligence-updated/#comment-1907009

Phil Spector is the prime example of the “worrier warrior” type, in my opinion. He is hyper-emotional/sensitive and/but also highly calculating/ruthless/sociopathic/psychopathic. Being hyper-emotional and sociopathic don’t have to be mutually exclusive, in my opinion. For him to produce the music he did he could not have been without affect/emotion, but he is also the type who “through lack of affect will do whatever it takes, including murder, to get what they want.”

True Musical Horror Stories: Four Musicians With Terrifying Legacies

This hauntingly violent scene occurred in the mansion named, Dupuy’s Pyrenees Castle owned by the reclusive and infamously violent producer, Phil Spector.

A musical genius credited with developing the “wall of sound” recording technique that revolutionized the music industry, Spector was also known to be an abusive addict with a well documented passion for firearms. Paranoid, volatile, and self-conscious the famously eccentric Spector would often point a loaded gun at anyone he felt slighted him, especially women he believed were rejecting him. His is ex-wife, Ronnie Spector, publicly called him a “psychopathic monster”.

– https://www.baeblemusic.com/musicblog/10-31-2014/true-musical-horror-stories-four-musicians-with-terrifying-legacies.html

Edit: P.s.: This is my 1000th !!! approved comment on the Unz Review. Thank you very much to everyone for this great commenting experience here. Thank you, Mr. Unz!

CanSpeccy,

why not move the conversation to 200 IQ genetically enhanced people? It will not be difficult to achieve this with current technology.

How might that change the relevance of all the comments on this thread alone that comment on differences in IQ of only a few points? Recent posts have even suggested that a difference of 3-4 can distinguish sub-races of Europeans.

If 3-4 points are considered to be of such significance, then is it not reasonable to consider carefully what 100 point differences might imply? We know that 200 IQ is possible because there have already been 200 IQ humans. With current technology all babies could be 200 IQers.