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The British Broadcasting Corporation is one of the world’s largest (35,000 employees including part-timers) and best funded news organisations, against which few can compete. Not only does it have a budget which in 2018-19 amounted to £4.0 billion ($5.6 billion), but it is virtually guaranteed the continuation of that level of income by a government levy, the Licence Fee, so it can plan well into its well-funded future. Many other UK organisations have folded up their own news gathering teams, and use the BBC feed as the starting point for their commentary and reporting, trying to give their own slant to an agenda set by their bigger and better-funded rival. Even in an age when there are other providers of news, this colossus can set the tone and the boundaries of political and cultural life.

Here is a headline which caught my eye: Subnormal: The scandal of black children sent to ‘special’ schools

This was broadcast on 20 May on BBC1, the main national broadcast channel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57099654

The opening paragraph of the article asserts:

In 1960s and 70s Britain, hundreds of black children were labelled as “educationally subnormal”, and wrongly sent to schools for pupils who were deemed to have low intelligence. For the first time, some former pupils have spoken about their experiences for a new BBC documentary.

It would be truer to say “In 1960s and 70s Britain, hundreds of children were classified as educationally subnormal because of low intelligence and failure to learn at school, and sent to special schools. Proportionately more black children than white children were sent to those schools”. If the intelligence and behavioural assessments were right, then it was not the wrong policy at all.

As is usual in TV documentaries, proofs will be given in the form of personal testimonies, with some general background remarks. Example:

Black students were sent to these schools in significantly higher proportions. The documentary makers have seen a 1967 report from the now-defunct Inner London Education Authority (ILEA), which showed that the proportion of black immigrant children in ESN schools (28%) was double that of those in mainstream schools (15%).

Should there have been double the number of black immigrant children in schools for the educationally sub-normal? Well, if the cut-off point was being below IQ 70, then there should have been 7 times as many black children as white children (15.9% vs 2.28%), so if there is a scandal, it is that many black children did not get special schooling. However, special schooling was often given to children who were disruptive. Schools can cope with slow learners, but not with very actively uncooperative non-learners who make learning impossible for other children.

So, what can we find in the educational sphere in which the black rate is double the white rate? How about school exclusions. Here are the 2017 figures:

https://www.unz.com/jthompson/excluded-schoolchildren/

The Caribbean rate is 9.69%. almost double the White British rate of 5.23%.

Many wrongly equated race with intellectual ability. But as the late educational psychologist Mollie Hunte argued, the generally poor attainment of black students wasn’t because of their intellectual ability. Instead, the tests used to assess pupils at the time were culturally biased.

Although cultural bias in tests was asserted by critics in Britain and in the US, it turned out that intelligence tests were good predictors of scholastic attainment.

A government enquiry into the education of children from ethnic minority groups published in 1985 found that the low average IQ scores of West Indian children were not a significant factor in their low academic performance. Instead, racial prejudice in society at large was found to play a crucial role in their academic underachievement.

This was the 1985 Swan Report, which makes very interesting historical reading.

http://www.educationengland.org.uk/documents/swann/swann1985.html#04

The report itself concludes that racism is a big cause of black under-performance, and that black IQ is not a significant factor.

2.2 Low average IQ has often been suggested as a cause of underachievement, particularly in the case of West Indians. This has long been disputed, and our own investigations leave us in no doubt that IQ is not a significant factor in underachievement (Paragraphs 4.10-4.14 and Annex D).

The technical reports written by psychologists are different. They don’t actually say that IQ scores are not a significant factor. The late Prof Nick Mackintosh and Dr CGN Mascie-Taylor did a review of the literature, and although Mackintosh was very sympathetic to environmental explanations of racial differences, and against genetic interpretations, he went through the literature carefully enough, showing some of the problems in coming to a strong conclusion at the time. He was circumspect in his judgments, though against the genetic hypothesis. Here is what he said:

These findings tend to argue against those who would seek to provide a predominantly genetic explanation of ethnic differences in IQ, but they equally imply that such differences are not due to a special set of factors unique to the West Indian experience. Although discrimination against West Indian families in this country may have an important indirect effect on their children’s IQ scores by ensuring that they live in impoverished circumstances, there is less reason to believe that such discrimination, whether by society as a whole or by teachers and IQ testers in particular, has any direct effect on the West Indian child’s performance. There is, moreover, relatively little evidence that specifically supports either this or the genetic position. Such imperfect attempts as have been made to study the intellectual development of black and white children brought up in comparable surroundings have found few if any differences in their IQ scores. Conversely, there is not much reason to believe that teachers’ expectations have any large effects on their pupils’ IQ scores (although they may affect other aspects of their performance at school), and although motivational and attitudinal factors have sometimes been found to have significant effects on IQ scores, the effects are neither consistent nor large. At best such factors may make a modest contribution to observed ethnic differences in IQ scores; they are unlikely to be the most important cause.

6. The evidence is not compelling, then, but on balance it does seem to point one way rather than others: ethnic differences in IQ scores are probably largely caused by the same factors as are responsible for differences in IQ within the white population as a whole. And much the same conclusion probably applies to ethnic differences in more specific measures of school performance such as tests of reading or mathematics or public examinations. Here too, such differences as there are between different ethnic groups seem to be largely related to the same social factors that are related to differences within the indigenous populations. If, therefore, we wish to affect the IQ scores of children from ethnic minorities in our society, or indeed their school performance, we might make a start by improving the social and economic circumstances of their families.

Just to make things clear: I don’t agree with all of these points, and on some matters such as the predominance of the environment, I think they are plain wrong, and were wrong in 1985 when it was clear that some genetic groups with poor environments did very well, but those in a position to know about the subject have not ruled out the effects of intelligence on scholastic attainment.

The over-representation of black children in special education is described in this article as “one of the biggest scandals in British education”. In fact, it was always evident that intelligence mattered in education, even if some people felt this could not be said in public. Despite that, intelligence testing was only one part of the assessment for special education: classroom observation, teacher reports and home visits were also part of the picture.

By way of general background, I knew educational psychologists working in London at that time. They told me that on their regular school visits Head teachers always wanted a few children assessed in the hope that they might be sent off to a special school. When observed in class the reasons were generally obvious. The child, usually a boy, was highly disruptive, interrupting the teacher, turning on other children, sometimes tearing up their work and making things impossible for the class. Almost universally, it would turn out that there was no father at home, and the boys were black. Mothers were often enthusiastic about them being sent to boarding schools.

Special schools were expensive, because they required a higher teacher/pupil ratio, so places could not be simply handed out on request. Head teachers often wanted disruptive pupils out of their schools, and places were not always available. Boarding school type special schools were particularly expensive. They were often in stately homes in the Home Counties, which if run privately would have commanded very high fees.

By the way, it was reported to me that there was a particular Latin American immigrant group, often without fathers because the fathers were political prisoners, unable to speak English, and subject to all the environmental and cultural disadvantages of immigrant children, including low income, lack of any social connections, and a justified worry about whether they would see their fathers again, and ever be able to return home. They caused absolutely no problems at school, despite being from Uruguay.

The narrative of this BBC program is that black children were unfairly placed in special schools, but even this account accepts that the children were able eventually able to attend normal schools, (where the facilities and staff numbers were probably poorer). Interestingly, the best way of proving that a child had been placed in a special school incorrectly, and should not have been there, would be to show that in real life they had achieved much greater things than would have been expected of them an incorrectly-labelled slow learner. However, the personal examples given here are of continued under-performance, which makes one feel the original assessments may have been correct. On the contrary, this narrative asserts that it was the incorrect and unnecessary administration of special measures to these school children which caused their continuing real-life failures in adulthood.

Of course, the whole presentation is based on a purely journalistic approach. If you want to book the author of the article, he can be contacted below:

https://www.performingartistes.co.uk/artistes/ashley-john-baptiste

Personal stories are no way of evaluating the outcomes of special education. We would need a better sample of cases before coming to any conclusion. There would have to be a comparison of those who were difficult to teach and did, or did not, get offered special education. Currently children with learning difficulties are given special attention at normal schools. This makes their special needs less evident, but the procedure is highly costly in terms of teacher time.

The flavour of this article is to cast the education service in a very bad light, to accuse teachers of racism, and to say that people’s lives have been ruined. Apart from a perfunctory concession that the provision of special schools may have done some people some good, all the crucial personal histories are accusations to the contrary. Not a dissenting voice can be heard saying that in every school system there are some children who lack the capacity or the inclination to learn in standard classrooms, and that in every society there are big differences in ability.

In a paradox which appears to have been lost on the makers of this program, altruistic societies often spend more money on those who cannot easily learn than those who want to learn as much as possible.

 
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  1. Possumman says:

    The short bus in the UK drives on the other side of the road.

  2. Yoyu says:

    What explains the difference between black africans (lower than white british) and black carribeans?

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    , @Donald A Thomson
  3. Very big differences in socio-economic status, in favour of recent African immigrants. There is a database which shows the educational level of immigrants to the UK, which I think I commented on in the last two months.

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    , @Tomas
  4. res says:
    @James Thompson

    Are you referring to the Brain Drain dataset?
    http://www.iab.de/en/daten/iab-brain-drain-data.aspx

    First mentioned here by Emil in 2017:
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/immigration-is-it-the-people/#comment-1893308

    If you were referring to something else, could you link, please?

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  5. res says:

    Thanks for this. The misleading narrative really needs to be answered.

    The excerpt from Mackintosh is an interesting study given close reading. Emphasis mine.

    These findings tend to argue against those who would seek to provide a predominantly genetic explanation of ethnic differences in IQ, but they equally imply that such differences are not due to a special set of factors unique to the West Indian experience.

    There is, moreover, relatively little evidence that specifically supports either this or the genetic position.

    6. The evidence is not compelling, then, but on balance it does seem to point one way rather than others: ethnic differences in IQ scores are probably largely caused by the same factors as are responsible for differences in IQ within the white population as a whole.

    “Predominantly” makes for a classic vague strawman, but taken as “more than 50 percent of ethnic differences in IQ are caused by genetics” is it true that the evidence is as he says? I suspect there is motte and bailey going on with “predominantly” being interpreted as “almost 100%” as desired.

    Does he ever define “genetic position”? Vulnerable to the same issue.

    The same factors statement is interesting. One could argue that those same factors are “genetics and environment”, which makes the statement basically tautological. But if not that then it seems untrue given the factors would be something like “genetic differences between ethnicities” and “environmental differences between ethnicities.”

    Has Mackintosh ever gone on record with what he believes to be true for the heritability of intelligence both within whites and between blacks and whites?

  6. Mackintosh was being vague, and covering all the bases, while being willing to downplay the genetic hypothesis. I corresponded with him every now and then, and met him over a weekend as part of a small group invited to a meeting on processing speed held at Edinburgh. He had been willing to pile in against Plomin’s work, until I told him that Plomin had been misrepresented in the Sunday Times. He was very much in the environmental influences camp.

    • Thanks: res
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  7. BuelahMan says:

    I graduated from high school with 63 members… only 2 of which were black (both girls). In the 8th grade, there were far more, especially black boys. Only one of those girls made anything of herself.

    Most of us knew simply by being there that many of those that dropped out would never make it. We, of course, used our white privilege to have them removed.

    (heh… in fact, none of them were smart enough and all of them too lazy)

    I think most of them are dead now

  8. dearieme says:

    Two episodes from my schooldays:-

    I must have been sixteen. The English teacher returned to the classroom after a short absence to find me pinning another boy to the wall with my left hand on his throat and about to land a haymaker with my right fist. The teacher said “Unhand Walter, dearieme, and resume your seat.” And that was that. Presumably the teacher assumed that Walter had committed some heinous crime. Presumably the teacher would happily have punched Walter himself had it been allowed.

    I had already had an altercation with Walter the previous year in our French class. Again the teacher was out of the room. Walter decided to bully the boy sitting beside me. He called him a cross-eyed something-foul and punched him in the back. I gave Walter a fine punch to the face and was stopped from going any further by the pleadings of the girls in the room. Silence reigned until the teacher returned.

    It was a school marked by high standards and peaceful classrooms. Maybe the latter was helped by an occasional punch dished out to deter bullying. I don’t remember the girls trying to dissuade me from punching Walter the second time.

    I don’t suppose you can build a school discipline system around the assumption that an unaggressive, studious boy will appoint himself sheriff and dish out a punch to maintain the peace. But a school discipline policy that deters some self-policing from the pupils might make things worse rather than better.

  9. But Nigerian little girls are smarter than you. (And if you don’t know what I’m talking about then don’t presume to correct me because I read it on here.)

    Anyhow, class is the big differentiator. Rich people do better on tests than poor people. They have full stomachs.

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  10. “altruistic societies often spend more money on those who cannot easily learn than those who want to learn as much as possible”

    The average black child has far more spent by the UK state on their education than the average white child. There are “additional pupil-led factors” in the funding formula.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/901324/Proforma_publication_commentary_2020_to_2021.pdf

    English as an additional language, Free school meals, IDACI (Income Deprivation Affecting Children), Looked-after children, Low prior attainment, Mobility

    It’s 18% of the entire schools budget, a massive amount. Figures from here

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/explainer-how-schools-will-be-funded-under-the-new-national-formula/

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  11. res says:
    @dux.ie

    Thanks for the correction. Sorry I missed that. It has been a valuable contribution to a number of discussions.

  12. @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks very much. Do you know a way of estimating the actual cost of different racial groups? I can see that the pupil factors would favour black children, and also Roma children, but don’t see an easy way of getting costs per racial group, to compare with racial group scholastic attainments.

    Also, what is your estimate for the cost of educating an average child? Over 12 years, I think it would be at least £52,500.

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  13. Gordo says:

    Far, far more boys than girls in special ed in UK then and today.

    How does the BBC address this? By igoring it as it does not fit their twisted agenda.

    • Replies: @Neuday
  14. @James Thompson

    I would have to do a lot of digging to get anywhere near the figures, and they would be subject to a big margin of error. But all schools monitor and report the racial mix of their pupils (my impression is it started post-McPherson) and so theoretically it would be possible to compare the racial mix to the funding per school and draw some conclusions/correlations. Might need a LOT of FoI requests, I’m not sure that schools want to publicise the racial mix of their intake.

    Caveats – I may be over-simplifying. In my school governor days there were all kinds of additional funding streams you “might” be able to tap into.

    Cost of education’s a lot easier, IFS estimates here

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/15150

    Age 3-4 (as if a child should be at school then) – £3,800 per child accessing a place
    Secondary school spending per pupil in England (£6,000) was about 16% higher than in primary schools (£5,200) in 2019–20.

    But previously they say “Spending per pupil is highest in Scotland (£7,300), at similar levels in Wales and England (£6,100) and lowest in Northern Ireland (£5,800).

    6,100 does not compute with 6000 at secondary and 5,200 in primary, but you get the idea. The source data is available, links at the site.

    PS – this is what the pupils at Saltley Academy in Birmingham are being taught. Owing to a historical shortage of black people in the UK to be Tuskagee-experimented or Black Wall Street-massacred, the governors and staff obviously consider it correct to raise British kids on tales of the Deep South.

    http://saltley.academy/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Parents-guide-to-Black-Lives-Matter.pdf

    While Thomas Edison is renowned for inventing the light bulb, few people know that it was actually an African American inventor, Lewis Latimer, who invented the carbon filament that allows the bulb to function. Other inventions which were pioneered or greatly improved by Black inventors include the three-light traffic light system (Garrett Morgan, 1923), refrigerated trucks (Frederick McKinley Jones, 1940) and the first colour PC monitor (Mark Dean, 1980).

  15. @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks for the further details. On the contentious issue of the expenditure on racial groups I think it will be best to describe the “deprived schools” premium, which seems to have been 35% until the new, refined and obscure system came in more recently.

    As to total cost (thanks again) I have set an annual average of £5,600 and 11 years of education, to come to a total of £61,600. There would be an extra £7,200 if the kids started at 3 years of age, so £68,800 for a grand total.

    If we assume that higher education is the same cost, then another 3 times at £5,600 would bring the total cost to £85,600.

    Do those figures look correct to you.

    As to who invented the light bulb, it was certainly a Russian. (Yes, this is all a silly and very sad business).

  16. dearieme says:

    While Thomas Edison is renowned for inventing the light bulb, few people know that it was actually an African American inventor, Lewis Latimer, who invented the carbon filament that allows the bulb to function.

    You might have thought that a British school would point out that the inventor of the first practical light bulb was Swan. Edison lost a patent case against him and then bought out his business and merged it with his own.

    WKPD: On 3 February 1879, he publicly demonstrated a working lamp to an audience of over seven hundred people in the lecture theatre of the Literary and Philosophical Society of Newcastle upon Tyne, … His house … was the world’s first to have working light bulbs installed. The Lit & Phil Library in … Newcastle, was the first public room lit by electric light. … The Savoy, a state-of-the-art theatre in the City of Westminster, London, was the first public building in the world lit entirely by electricity

    But no, the ignorant twerps want to borrow some American history, or quasi-history.

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  17. Cortes says:

    Very interesting. Thank you.

    A quibble: please delete “despite being from Uruguay”. Uruguay used to be known as “the Switzerland of Latin America” and its population when I was in Montevideo not that long ago still looked very European.

    On special schools in the 1960s: after one term in infant reception class (P1 in today’s money) one of my classmates (close neighbour) was removed from mainstream primary school and sent to the local special school the name of which inspired terror amongst parents and was a byword of derision among children. Shortly after the change of schools the family moved out of our village.

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  18. I taught ESN, 1968-69 in Liverpool https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Straggler/073.html The name of the establishment was Queensland School.

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  19. @Cortes

    “Despite being from Uruguay” es un chiste, hermano.

    Sorry to hear the family of the SEN boy left your village.

  20. @John Derbyshire

    Thank you for this extraordinary account. In September 1968 I started as a Research Assistant at the Department of Child Psychiatry, Guy’s Hospital. I was a test basher, doing at least 2 Wechsler Intellignce tests for children each week, plus an adult one or two, and one or two on my main job, testing patients who had acquired a brain lesion in childhood.

    As you may see, I learned a lot about intelligence testing, but still did not have a genetic interpretation of what I saw.

  21. Apart from this Ashley John-Baptiste skintellectual person last year UK MP Layla Moran, a liberal woman as expected, called the exclusion of black pupils in schools an injustice.

    While the number of problematic Afro-Caribbean and mixed kids looks relatively small currently Dutton recently made the following dismal prediction.

    Welfare allows low IQ people to have lots of children. Indeed, in Britain, only families on welfare have above replacement fertility. And, of course, immigration , from lower IQ countries, will contribute to reducing IQ, at the genetic and possibly also environmental level, as schooling becomes more chaotic and complicated.

    In his 2017 article titled “On the Rise of Mixed-Race Britain” Joyce equally warned about a growing underclass of people like John-Baptiste born usually to absentee sub-Saharan African fathers and low-IQ British women often on state benefits.

    Britain thus finds itself in a situation where White, middle class couples are numerically far superior to the number of mixed race couples, but this balance is radically offset in demographic terms by significant differences in fertility — the White couple have no children, or very few, and the mixed couple produce several children. In other possible scenarios, the Black father sires a number of children with several low-status, low-IQ White women. It is very likely that this is the dynamic driving the increase in mixed-race children in Britain.

    By then traitors and boomers who enabled this national self-harm will be gone.

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  22. MarkU says:
    @Amerimutt Golems

    By then traitors and boomers who enabled this national self-harm will be gone.

    Being an ageist bigot is unfair, unreasonable and counterproductive, GFY.

  23. @YetAnotherAnon

    Mark Dean is the real deal: a black (ish) competent electrical engineer with a bunch of patents. He did not invent the “colour PC monitor”, of course. He worked on the CGA (Color Graphics Adapter) card for the IBM PC. Not the first driver for a colour monitor, not the best, not the cheapest. Just an ok one for the time and the constraints of a huge company not known for making cheap things.

    He also worked on the ISA bus, which is the 16-bit extension of the original 8-bit bus in the original IBM PC, which shipped with the PC AT. He did this with a colleague and they got a patent on it.

    None of this is groundbreaking stuff; just solid, competent engineering.

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  24. @James Thompson

    In the US, published figures for per-pupil spending are always way lowball.

    The scorekeepers deliberately neglect to count very real expenses such as capital projects, interest, and pensions.

    The true, average figure must be in the range of $20K+ per kid per year — less than the tuition rates of non-elite private schools in those regions.

    They also ignore federal direct funding (~$1,000 per kid this year alone); since enrollments are officially down by 5%, its per-pupil spending is therefore more like $1,050 per kid.

    In the inner city, where one finds the schools that are the worstest, average spending must be up around $30K.

  25. @Abolish_public_education

    Extremely high figures. Is there some way of spelling this out in more detail, or is it all hidden in a maze of special payments and adjustments?

  26. dearieme says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    The scorekeepers deliberately neglect to count very real expenses such as capital projects, interest, and pensions.

    The same trick is applied in Britain when people compare state schools to private schools. They say “the fees at private school X are £A per annum while the head teacher at state school Y receives only £B per annum for each pupil.”

    But the private school has to pay for capital projects, scholarships for poor kids, pensions for its staff, and all the costs of administration that the figures for the state school disguise, since those costs are borne by the local authority or central government.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  27. @James Thompson

    The figure we always hear about, e.g. “$ per kid”, is just the appropriation from the general (i.e. slush) fund.

    To find the other appropriations for schools, one needs to look elsewhere. For instance, money used to amortize school construction bonds, a fixed cost, comes out of another pot of money (sometimes called — can you believe this? — the “off-budget”).

    As #27 alluded to, some education appropriations are laundered through other departments. For instance, the schools wind up with about half of the taxes (sales, income, excise, etc.) that go into the general fund, and a big chunk (> ⅓?) of the taxes on real property. Yet the pro-rata cost of the salaries and benefits of all the bureaucrats who collect those taxes are counted as fuzzy, general & administrative expenses rather than specific, educational ones.

    In some jurisdictions, money raised from fines from traffic tickets accrue to the schools. Yet the compensation for traffic cops, the cost of their vehicles, etc. are put in the public safety budget; the cost associated with traffic court put in the judiciary budget.

    Government accounting and left-wing reporting. The true axis-of-evil.

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  28. Pericles says:

    Off topic

    Update:

    Today it was revealed Dominion accidentally had a “human error,” which “impacted all Republican ballots countywide.”

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  29. Pericles says:
    @Pericles

    PS. Not sure how the above ended up at James Thompson’s. Apologies, certainly off topic.

  30. A case of human error? 🙂

  31. @obwandiyag

    You might want to get a copy of “The Bell Curve.”

    You sir, are low hanging fruit.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  32. In 1960s commiefornia, children were given IQ tests to determine placement. When every black student scored as retarded and began swelling the ranks of ‘special needs’ classes, the state panicked and made it illegal to give IQ tests to black kids.

    It’s hilarious watching the State admit blacks have lower IQs without admitting it aloud. An elite group has noticed the races differ in intelligence and drive, a group called “Anyone with eyes.”

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  33. gatobart says:

    The big elephant in the room about which no one is talking about is that IQ tests don’t measure pure, raw, Intelligence, as no one can define what exactly Intelligence is and when they try they always carry to their definition their own cultural bias, so at the end all what an IQ measures are skills, natural or even acquired with age, experience and practice. Whatever that is, it is NOT intelligence. I have always loved puzzles, logical riddles, puzzles and sudokus and I have realized that you can actually learn how to improve your score in that kind of test by practice and experience. I mean, you get to know where and how to look for the right answers. If you can do it with practice, that is a developed skill, acquired knowledge, whatever you may call it, but never Intelligence. That is why in many working places they make you pass an IQ test as part of your job application, because they don’t care about your pure, raw Intelligence, they are not expecting from you to cure cancer or to discover the dark matter in the Universe while working for them, but to simply have the skills needed for an specific kind of work.

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  34. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    – That must be why Nigeria is just another African ‘sh-thole’.

    – Fact: US Blacks are obese, over fed and still thick as a brick.

    Overweight in African American Youth
    https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/wecan/downloads/factsheet-aa.pdf

    [MORE]

    – And as a result of their low IQs, and in every instance where blacks are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents, we see:
    – massive murder rates
    – massive crime in general
    – degraded property
    – massive disease, especially STDs
    – massive drug & alcohol abuse
    – general filth, squalor
    – massive birthrates
    – inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    – massive youth pregnancies rates
    – massive school dropout rates
    – incredibly low IQs & test scores
    – violence as a way of life
    – fathers nowhere to be found

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  35. I can imagine Prince Archie, son of Prince Harry and Duchess Maghan returning to England after twenty years to reclaim the British Throne because of white Supremacists and systemic racism.

    • Replies: @G J T
  36. Dumbo says:

    I used to think that there was a point to all these articles about IQ differences, but now I think it’s just a White version of “we were Kangz”.

    “We whites have higher IQ”, “we whites are more altruistic”, etc. (LOL, altruistic? That must be the reason behind all those wars, exploitation, status mongering etc).

    There’s never any solution pointed, just bragging about having higher IQ, which is not the same as intelligence, much less actual accomplishments.

    Just stop bringing Africans to Europe, IQ is only an incidental reason, the major reason is that they just don’t belong. By the way, Asians don’t belong either, despite their higher IQ.

  37. And White British rate is ten times that of Chinese. Shouldn’t that be the “scandal”?

  38. Vojkan says:

    If I understand correctly the table:

    – black Caribbean, if 9445 represent 10.20% then total is 92598;
    – black African, if 12650 represent 4.21% then total is 300475.

    So total black percentage is 100 * (9445+12650) / (92598+300475) = 5.62%.

    All of a sudden the “racial origin” narrative becomes crap and the “social origin” narrative starts making more sense, and all of a sudden it starts looking as if more than anything else, British rule and upbringing were the most to blame.

    I think it is a little more complicated than that, but just sayin’.

  39. If you want to to see the real reason why white students perform better than black students, just go to any open house or PTA meeting at any public school and see how many of the parents of the black students show up. IQ is definitely a factor but if the parents don’t care there is a great chance that the child will not either. Asian and Jewish parents put a great emphasis on education as the subsequent success of these races show.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  40. It’s a given that the BBC would only focus on the plight of Black children in the British school system. God forbid they would ever do the same kind of program that involved the rotten education that most White, working-class children received at the same time. It’s just another attempt to give many Blacks an excuse and even more reasons to blame Whitey for their lack of success in life. I am starting to see even the most tolerant of White people around me getting extremely fed up with this none stop assault upon them. Strange how millions still flock to the West despite us all being such a racist lot.

    • Thanks: Sarah
  41. Marckus says:
    @obwandiyag

    When the British ran Nigeria it was a thriving country. After independence it became a toilet bowl.

    That is because Nigerians are stupid and incompetent, and you and your comments are the finest example of the black village idiot we have here on UR !

    • Replies: @JM
  42. Marckus says:
    @dearieme

    I dont know why they call it English public schools. They are really private schools where fees are very high. I also do not know their quality these days. However back in the day, sub standard teachers were never tolerated in these schools and problem students were kicked out.

    Compare this to the US public schools !

    As for the US private schools, they are now going down the septic system with all sorts of odd courses like Porn Appreciation for example……..

    Why in hell any parent would stump up tens of thousands of dollars and tolerate this kind of nonsense is beyond me but there it is. As I have commented before, talk to the average high school , college or Ivy University graduate and what comes out of their mouth is sheer nonsense.

    They go to school to be dumber graduating with a beautiful parchment that certifies them as an ass.

  43. Mike Tre says:

    If it were the case that dim negroes in the UK were NOT being placed in special needs schools/programs, one could safely assume that it would still be considered a BAD thing, and more evidence of white racism, supremacy, whatever.

    The point being that it doesn’t matter what the white man does, negroes will condemn it because this isn’t about anything other than asserting and or taking power. It is a war between tribes using words as weapons instead of spears or guns.

    The negroes are winning. The saddest part is whites could win in a matter of weeks if they chose to.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Marckus
  44. Marckus says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Low hanging fruit ?

    More like the apple that fell far from the tree, is half rotten and either being slurped up by hogs or trampled by them.

    Troooooof has not yet crawled out of his tenement yet but I imagine before he even smokes his crack he will put in his two cents worth of silly comments to complement Wandy Yagy’s drivel.

  45. PJ London says:

    The problem is so mis-stated that it is impossible to solve.
    You can’t teach anyone anything!
    I repeat : YOU CAN’T TEACH ANYONE ANYTHING!

    What you can do, is provide someone with an environment and information that will enable them to learn.
    If someone does not wish to learn, or does not wish to learn the information that you are providing, then your time expense and effort are wasted.
    What motivation does a child have to work hard at memorising things when he sees in the world around him that idlers, liars and downright criminals will do much better than hardworking honest people?
    To a motivated individual all that is necessary is a library, or even just a book.
    Putting some ignorant self-important doofus in front of a class and have them read lies and nonsense from a text book merely frustrates persons who wish to be educated.
    But put an informed motivated teacher in front of children (of all ages) who is talking of a subject that one is interested in, and you can’t get the little buggers to go home.
    Allowing discussion is impossible with 35 smart, curious kids, so it is shut down and the kids all go back to sleep.
    As averred to in the article, the reason that ‘special’ children advance is when a person pays attention to their needs.
    How much more attention does a gifted individual need?
    People learn things in spite of school, not because of it.

    • Agree: Alfred, Vojkan
  46. England is run by lunatic liberals and Larry Auster explains their ideology and their actions:

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009226.html

  47. May I remark that the BBC is completely corrupt? There is no point in looking at its website or indeed any of its output, as one must assume anything it says is a lie. As in the present case.

    It is largely dependent on the licence fee, which is due from anyone who watches live TV or streamed broadcasts. Non-payment is a criminal offence. ‘Evaders’ (the BBC term, whether or not you are liable to the impost) are harassed in two ways, outsourced to Capita plc.

    First, TV Licensing, an arm of Capita, maintains a flaky database of every address in the UK. Any household which does not appear to have a licence is subjected to a stream of minatory letters, carefully crafted to mislead.

    Secondly, failure to respond to said letters results in a visit from an ‘enforcement officer’, colloquially known as a ‘goon’, who will try to gain access to sniff out an unauthorised telly or, failing that, elicit a doorstep confession from the householder. These agents have been known to use perjury and even violence against the public. In short, the BBC is funded by extortion.

    I am delighted to report that record and indeed increasing numbers of people are cancelling their payments; there is an active #DefundTheBBC campaign. With every new scandal (the latest being the unmasking of their star reporter, Martin Bashir, as a crook) the momentum grows. If it continues like this, the BBC will be forced to change its funding model or – even better – go bust.

    • Replies: @Lee
    , @Malla
  48. Why are Chinese and Indians different from the other minorities?

    • Replies: @Marckus
  49. Alfred says:

    Chinese exclusions at 0.56% versus Black Carribean at 10.20% are proof that genes really do matter. An 18-fold difference cannot be ignored.

  50. G J T says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    I can imagine Prince Archie, son of Prince Harry and Duchess Maghan returning to England after twenty years to reclaim the British Throne because of white Supremacists and systemic racism

    Maybe you joke, and I could actually see there being a push for this from some leftist retards. But ultimately this won’t happen simply because Princess Harry the race-mixing, beta male faggot is still white, and his kid will look white, for all intents and purposes. Oh no, you won’t be so lucky, goy. The symbolic monarchy will be disposed with entirely and we will all be forced to worship at the altar of We Wuz Kangz. Tyrone and Laqueisha are your new king and queen.

    Unless of course these unhinged, Jewish-run western governments just collapse under the weight of their own diversity before they realize their dream. This seems especially likely here in the USA, where we still have vast amounts of untouched land and equally vast amounts of personal protection devices in the hands of people the regime would like to see dead. It’ll be much easier to turn Britain into wakanda.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @moi
    , @Resartus
  51. Vojkan says:

    How do you explain then the more than twice lesser percentage of exclusion of African blacks? I think that on this particular issue, social environment – with everything that it entails, as for instance the family environment – plays a much bigger role than genes.

  52. Jiminy says:

    Here in Oz, at the state primary school where my boys went to learn, they try to integrate mentally challenged children into the mainstream education system. My cousin’s daughter who suffers from Down syndrome, went up to grade seven there as well. Whether or not she actually learnt anything of importance I do not know, but I do know that she was starting to affect the learning of one of my boys. As she was related, she always wanted to be with him and to follow him everywhere like a shadow, even in class time. Obviously the teachers thought it was quaint, but for my normal IQ boy there was the risk that his grades were dropping because of the attention that he was devoting to his cousin.
    I do believe that with the more subnormal students attending there, the school received more government funding. But as for actually benefiting the students with extra needs, I don’t think it made much difference for them. I think the parents felt better though, having to not send them to a special school, considering the stigma associated with that.
    As for the aborigines going to school on a full time basis, well that’s a conundrum that the experts will be dealing with in another generation or two of school-aged kids.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  53. VICB3 says:
    @Yoyu

    Black Caribbeans on average are admixed with White, same as Black Americans.

    Hope this helps!

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

  54. Watch out! Now that we see these kids being stuffed into educational bantustans, deservedly or not you’re never going to hear the end to the wailing and bitching.

  55. @James Thompson

    “He was very much in the environmental influences camp”

    There is money to be made in the “environmental camp”. There is no money to be made in the heritability camp.

    Money, money, money.

    A few years ago the ACT test was mandatory in our state and it was taken in the 3rd ( junior ) year of high school. Some students were not required to take the test (mentally disabled) and quite a lot of students drop out or are forced out due to criminal activities.
    The average ACT score for black students at this time was around 15 and would be even lower if ALL STUDENTS were to take the test. I am thinking that in this event the ACT test score would be about 13 for blacks students. The average test score for all state White students at this time was around 20 in our state.

    Our school system which is the largest in the state with blacks at around 50% of the school population employs a large number of “Special Education teachers”. A shocking large number of these special education teachers.

  56. @obwandiyag

    “Anyhow, class is the big differentiator. Rich people do better on tests than poor people. They have full stomachs”

    BS, the black people in the USA are the most overfed, overweight people on the planet. So much for your “full stomachs” theory.

    • Agree: Annony Mouse
    • Replies: @Marckus
  57. moi says:
    @G J T

    It’s likely Prince Charles, after he becomes king, will be succeeded by a Jew 🙂

  58. Canute says:

    In America we know that negro women are mathematical wizards because we have a book and a movie that says John Glenn refused to orbit the earth until “those negro women check the calculations.” The proof of their superior contingent calculations was so convincing that Barack Obama started passing out Medals to those who were still alive. However, this drives the greatest mystery of all – how are the Chinese getting into space w/o the calculations performed by negro women? I think it’s also time that we go back and see what Sir Issac Newton’s cleaning lady looked like……and I suspect that Alan Turing was not only homosexual, but also one of the earliest transexual/trans-racial brainiacs walking around the UK.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  59. Marckus says:
    @europeasant

    These people always have some “reason” for their dismal showing in everything they do. Last week it was white privilege, the week before slavery and now “empty bellies”.

    God alone knows what it will be next week. Climate change ? Covid vaccines ?

  60. Marckus says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    Why are Chinese and Indians different from the other minorities?

    Because instead of fucking around on the street corner and/ or constantly engaging in petty street crime, they are studying !

    If the Negro did the same, his journey through life would be much easier. However they are a hard group to convince of anything. Hard heads perhaps………..??

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
  61. Marckus says:
    @Mike Tre

    Lets do the following:

    -Put them in special needs classes>>>>>>>>>>>>profiling
    -Lets not put them in special needs classes>>>>>>discrimination
    -Lets kick them out of school as they do not want to learn>>>>>>>>>>>white supremacy
    -Lets ?????????????? >>>>>>>>>Nazis, fascists, racist, Jim Crow, slavery etc

    One cannot win with these people. They enjoy being victims, they revel in it because victims are not to blame, it is always someone else’s fault and they don’t have to or are incapable of doing anything to correct their lot in life.

    SO:

    -Lets ignore them or better yet deport them all to the Congo. There is no profiling, racism, whites or so there. Just cannibals and tribal genocide ! And Afro Americans, the majority already overfed and obese would be welcome fare to those lean Tribesmen, who, no longer having empty stomachs will now be sated and perhaps do better in school.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  62. anon[359] • Disclaimer says:

    The negro has to be extra lazy to get fat, they do put on muscle much easier than other races. Female teachers motherly nature goes into overdrive and they coddle adult negroes like they’re mentally retarded children.

  63. Can anyone tell me if amounts below include infrastructure, bussing, administrative and teacher salary and pension benefits?

    US Federal, state, and local governments spend $720.9 billion, or $14,840 per pupil, to fund K-12 public education.

    In the 2018-19 school year, around 67 billion U.S. dollars were spent by private elementary and secondary schools.

    Student loan debt $1.57 trillion

    U.S. Public Education Spending Statistics [2021]: per Pupil + Total

  64. @Abolish_public_education

    I agree.

    I spent a little time many years ago looking at the school district in PA where I’d just bought a weekend place. I was struck both by the absence of capital costs anywhere in budgets and by the architectural similarity of the new High School and the new county jail. When last I looked it was north of $15k per kid.

  65. EdPsychs – often AAtards themselves who can’t tell the difference between stupidity & specific learning disorders.

  66. @Canute

    It’s rumored that Albert Einstein while working in the Trademark and Patent office, was friends with the black janitor there while writing his theory of relativity.
    This gives new meaning to Black Hole theory and its origins.

  67. @Jiminy

    Here in Mexifornia, mentally challenged children are assigned their own special teacher while being integrated with other normal kids, most special kids spoke little English. From my observation, most of these special teachers were lesbians hired by LGBTIQPWXYZ administrators to promote diversity and gay pride. Kids appeared to be used as a funding source for teacher/administrator benefits.

  68. Resartus says:
    @G J T

    It’ll be much easier to turn Britain into wakanda.

    Don’t know, Arab Muslims aren’t really fond of blacks (even Muslim ones),
    Islam taking as much hold on UK as Africans and Hindi’s….

  69. Gee, let’s create a country composed a large Han Chinese majority, average IQ of 105, and a minority of Australian aborigines, average IQ 65, and then let’s be shocked, appalled and surprised that they don’t perform at the same level, because everyone is equal, right? Right?

    Must be racism. Down With Han Supremacy!

  70. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Nigeria has the highest GDP in Africa and is in the top 30 in GDP worldwide, outpacing multiple European countries, including Austria, Ireland, Norway, Finland, the Czech Republic, etc. The crime rate in Nigeria (and in much of sub-Saharan Africa) pales in comparison to that in Central America and even in a majority-white Latin American country like Uruguay (88% white — much whiter than the USA).

    Also, there is no direct correlation between good nutrition and obesity. While there is an obvious correlation between malnutrition and weight loss, the correlation doesn’t work in the opposite direction. A diet high in carbohydrates and fats, such as that provided by fast food, will cause obesity without providing substantial protein, for instance, which is necessary for regular cognitive function and mental health.

    There is a lot of variation among populations in majority black countries. Painting with a broad brush doesn’t make you sound very smart.

    • Replies: @Blackstone
    , @europeasant
  71. Neuday says:
    @Gordo

    Far, far more boys than girls in special ed in UK then and today.

    How does the BBC address this? By igoring it as it does not fit their twisted agenda.

    Oh, don’t be obtuse; everyone knows that boys tend to be more disruptive, overactive, and often violent, due to genetics.

  72. If a low IQ score can be explained away by “cultural bias” then it would be wise to assert that that student has no business being in the country if their home culture renders them unable to compete in their new environment.

  73. @anon

    Nigeria is listed 143 in GDP per capita PPP and a few places higher for GDP per capita nominal.

    Your omission of this is telling. That’s because it is indeed a shithole. I’ve been to Lagos.

    • Replies: @anon
  74. SafeNow says:

    To the extent a solution can be found to narrow the achievement gap, that would be a mixed blessing. The downside is that the odds would increase that the government worker or private worker helping you is of marginal proficiency. Extraordinary interventions have boosted him over the line, to become your electrician.

  75. @CelestiaQuesta

    Regarding tax dollars spent on public education, that $14.8K per pupil*yr, average figure is definitely low. As I posted earlier, the oft-quoted figures deliberately neglect to count those significant costs.

    If you have the stomach for it (and No-Doze), review the budget documents for your local school district. Their non-babysitting, credentialed accountants spell out all the financial inputs and outputs in painful detail.

    US Dept of Ed spending is still a relatively small contributor, but the clear trend is to give it the leading role.

    By the way, my earlier post about USG $1,050 per kid needs to be clarified. That number represents what the schools received in incremental, “stimulus” (PERS bailout) funds. As I recall, the federal (baseline) outlays are about the equivalent amount, i.e.only 5% or so of total, public education spending.

  76. gatobart says:

    I don’t know if Blacks are less intelligent than the rest of us, but I know one thing for sure. If you got a lot of money to spend and you go to a poor racially mixed neighborhood and start installing libraries with serious scientific stuff and literature and also basketball courts I bet you the libraries will fill mostly up with Asian and White kids and teens, and also Middle Eastern and Latinos to a great extent, and that the basketball courts will be usually crowded with Blacks. I don’t know the reason but that is something I have seen for decades: Blacks in general, specially the young, hate intellectual stuff, mental exercise and improvement, anything that makes the mind work, and that is something for which they can’t blame society or other races. Hollywood may produce all the movies they want with Blacks that are computer genius or who are in charge of brainy government projects but I don’t see reality matching that anywhere,

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  77. annamaria says:
    @obwandiyag

    You are free to comment: #11:

    The average black child has far more spent by the UK state on their education than the average white child. … It’s 18% of the entire schools budget, a massive amount. : https://schoolsweek.co.uk/explainer-how-schools-will-be-funded-under-the-new-national-formula/

    Baltimore, US. Demographics and behavior, 2020: https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/06/appalling-performance-of-public-schools-exposed-by-project-baltimore/

    The city of Baltimore’s public schools have been overwhelmed by a scourge of ill behavior and lipid politically correct responses to it. In the schools, 81% are black, 9 percent Hispanic/Latino and 8 percent white. … In Baltimore City, 39% of high school students are considered chronically absent, or truant, by missing more than 20 days. That’s 8,400 teenagers who regularly are not going to school and are out getting in trouble and further destabilizing the community. … among 3,804 students in Baltimore’s worst 19 high schools, less than 1%, were proficient in math.

    In Baltimore public schools, the tuition for each student is more than $17.000 per year.

  78. gatobart says:

    “Liberals love to speak “truth to power,” but the powerless need to hear the truth too. Knowledge, after all, is power. Don’t keep it to yourself, I say. Spread it around”
    Oprah .

    That’s why the Queen of Daytime Talk did poor folks a favor when she candidly explained in a recent Newsweek interview why she decided to build the lavish $40 million Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls for impoverished teenagers in South Africa instead of in an American city. South Africa’s students, she said, had a greater need and appreciation for education.

    “I became so frustrated with visiting inner-city schools [in America] that I just stopped going. The sense that you need to learn just isn’t there,” she said. “If you ask the kids what they want or need, they will say an iPod or some sneakers. In South Africa, they don’t ask for money or toys. They ask for uniforms so they can go to school.”
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-01-07-0701070457-story.html

    There you have it. BTW, the reason why Black kids in the US don’t see the need for education is maybe they think they can become millionaires just bouncing a ball around or beating up others or making jokes.

    • Replies: @Steve Naidamast
    , @Resartus
  79. The only real scandal is that niggerians are in White countries. Access to White people is not a human right.

  80. @gatobart

    It’s a Miracle that one or two escape the hood, like our very own house negro Troof, who learns how to use the internet to search for white porn after stealing a laptop from whitey during a knockdown, and in the process learns how to cut and paste, add links and use keywords “old Boy”, to sound edjewcated.
    It’s the other 98% that are a threat to safety and prosperity of other race’s. The fact they kill each other in endless drug/Pimp/gang turf wars, shows how important it’s is to keep them contained within their own hood and as far away from we others as much as possible.

  81. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Blackstone

    I used the example of Nigeria because it’s what the post I responded to cited. Here’s the list of GDP per capita PPP:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true

    There are numerous majority black countries ranking above European countries.

    • Replies: @Wally
  82. @Marckus

    God alone knows what it will be next week. Climate change ? Covid vaccines ?

    “Systemic racism” covers all the bases.

  83. HbutnotG says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Nope. IQ is 80% cultural, 20% genes. And you can’t force it.

    Ever notice that most of the lower IQ boys did not have dads that were handy? That’s where IQ’s (in boys) develop – helping dad. I don’t really know how it works for girls.

    But, God forbid chasing a 3 yr old out of the house to go to school. I’d have thrown the biggest tantrum you ever saw. That was MY time, thank you!

    Perennially, I was given the task from 1st to 8th grade of taking “slow” students out in the hall for some tutoring. Since I was double promoted twice, these kids were older than me – sometimes by a couple years. What I realized was that emergence from that post natal fog apparently varies tremendously from one to another. And kids can’t really be bothered with learning until they are ready for it. I saw D students become B students with no fanfare – around 7th – 8th grade. I don’t know if it was hormones or what; they just “transformed” intellectually, from a mushroom to a mostly grown swan. Usually within a year or so and no other outward change in these kids. I think they just weren’t ready for learning at age 5 or 8 or maybe even 10. But many of them were so traumatized by those D report cards they got for years, maybe they socially developed enough to just get over it. It sure seemed that way. I don’t even think home environment on its own did it. It’s more like attention span – which in a non-autistic 3 yr old is like that of a gnat.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  84. @gatobart

    Very interesting comments…

    When I graduated high school in 1968 I had gone through 4 years of tough schooling without any disruptions by other classmates at all. Either the teachers took corrective action, which was often laid out pretty harshly or the student in question was simply thrown out of the school. Problem solved…

    • Replies: @gatobart
  85. Lee says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    ST said:

    First, TV Licensing, an arm of Capita, maintains a flaky database of every address in the UK. Any household which does not appear to have a licence is subjected to a stream of minatory letters, carefully crafted to mislead.

    Secondly, failure to respond to said letters results in a visit from an ‘enforcement officer’, colloquially known as a ‘goon’, who will try to gain access to sniff out an unauthorised telly or, failing that, elicit a doorstep confession from the householder. These agents have been known to use perjury and even violence against the public. In short, the BBC is funded by extortion.

    When I lived in England in the late 80’s, it was said that trucks with some type of detection device patrolled neighborhoods and could tell if there was a TV present in someones home and also whether it was a B & W or a color set.

    Fees as I recall were 50 pounds for a B&W set and 100 pounds for color.Water hose tax was 25 quid.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  86. Sarah says:

    You can take all the measures, laws, rules that you want.
    The bottom line is that people of different races, species, ethnicities cannot live together.

    Multiculturalism, multiracialism, has never worked in history. Or it has always gone wrong and always ended very badly.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @gatobart
  87. gatobart says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    That is the kind of haven I was looking for in those years. During my high school years in the South Cone of the Americas I used to be what in the U.S. they call a nerd, the guy who would sit in the first row of the room during Physics class not to lose one thing of what the teacher was saying, who would keep asking questions, and who was able to get from the Physics teacher that he let him get into the Physics lab when it was unoccupied to do his own little experiments and who hated the so-called “students’ strikes” because they had no other purpose than to allow the dunces, most of the class, to skip school for a day. And I took a lot of krap for that from my schoolmates, which saw me as some kind of traitor or prison snitch. I always dreamed of some Heavenly School where someone who loves Sciences and Maths and technology could be left alone to study in peace all those things. Anyway, as the saying goes, who laughs last…, I was the only one in the all-male class to be able to enter Engineering School right after, at my first try. Two of three followed me after. Most of the rest went to work as low paid clerks/paper pushers for government or private firms.

    • Replies: @Steve Naidamast
  88. @annamaria

    The district claims a ’20-’21 budget of $1.4B, and an enrollment of 77,856.

    That’s $17,982 per kid.

    I’m sure that it’s way higher still. For instance, if the district admits that 39% of the kids are chronic truants, the true number must be > 50%, averaging > 40 absences per year.

    From that alone, the true student headcount must be closer to 40,000.

  89. Resartus says:
    @gatobart

    BTW, the reason why Black kids in the US don’t see the need for education is maybe they think they can become millionaires just bouncing a ball around or beating up others or making jokes.

    Qualifications for athletes, should be raised from a mere C-, to a B (not even B-)…..
    Pro sports drafts should be regulated where only Seniors set to Graduate can be drafted in the
    first round…. Push them down a round in the draft for each year of College they are skipping….

  90. It’s about freaking time for the west to pay for their past and present sins!
    BTW, the bbc is one of the biggest propaganda centers in the world!

  91. Treg says:

    I know from my own self that tom the 8th grade on,, I am extremely excited by and there interested in politics. This has lead me to be rather well read in politics, philosophy, economics, history, science and anything connected to politics. I became a real estate investor.

    And I know a black neighbor who similarily since the 6th grade, says he’s been extremely excited by music. This has similarily lead him to be well versed in anything remotely touching music. He became a music teacher. His big political observation is what the effect of getting rid of the 1975 graduation music requirement did to his fellow black Americans and popular music in general.

    And I know my Jewish friend who grew up with us but was always excited about money. He became well versed in many things to, money touched it all. He owns his own mortgage company. His big political observation is the Fed and what its doing.

    So when I look at the 3 of us, all 60 years old now, all having been born in 1961, we followed our early childhood interests that excited us in some way. So this leads me to ask, how much is General Knowledge soaked up all because of of one excited interest? And what of those who never get extremely interested in anything?

    Finally, should education not be about helping everyone find that thing that interests them? Because once you find that thing, it will necessarily means you will expand your knowledge outwardly because everything touches upon your interest in some way? For those with high medium and low IQ, I expect it works the same way upon us all. So the key is finding that exciting thing that fascinated you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  92. The reason why “More Black Than White Children are in Special Schools” is because blacks are special, magical and have super powers. They didn’t invent Vibranium, Orbital mafmatics, advanced dribbling technology, hoop theory, kneeling algorithms, raptology, and hunerds of udda human achievements fo nuffin. Dey’s here to save the world frum white Supremacists domestic terrorists, schitt, Dey be Kangz.

  93. @Suncoastcraig

    If you live in the big city and want to escape critical race Theory and BLM hoodrats for something enlightened with no blacks around, buy two tickets to your local symphony or philharmonic classical music hall and enjoy a Wagner opera, or some Beethoven or Mozart while you still can. They’ll soon call orchestral music racist and demand it be defunded.

  94. @HbutnotG

    Nope. IQ is 80% cultural, 20% genes. And you can’t force it.

    So intelligence gaps are mostly cultural?

    Liberals have spent of billions on this theory and they have nothing to show.

    What exactly are they doing wrong?

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @HbutnotG
    , @HbutnotG
  95. @Treg

    Finally, should education not be about helping everyone find that thing that interests them? Because once you find that thing, it will necessarily means you will expand your knowledge outwardly because everything touches upon your interest in some way? For those with high medium and low IQ, I expect it works the same way upon us all. So the key is finding that exciting thing that fascinated you.

    Waaaaaaay too idealistic.

    Try spending some time around teenagers. Most are fine with doing nothing and that includes the smart ones.

    The formalized structure of public school exists for good reason. It doesn’t fit everyone but it works for most people. I absolutely hated it but I can recognize that I’m not the norm.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  96. @CelestiaQuesta

    If you live in the big city and want to escape critical race Theory and BLM hoodrats for something enlightened with no blacks around, buy two tickets to your local symphony or philharmonic classical music hall and enjoy a Wagner opera, or some Beethoven or Mozart while you still can. They’ll soon call orchestral music racist and demand it be defunded.

    Oh it will be defunded on its own.

    These organizations are being taken over by dopey liberals. They don’t like that their funders are White (boo, hiss) but they know who feeds them.

    However when Whites are chased out of the cities the liberal directors revert to their egalitarian fantasy beliefs whereby there must be enough Huxtables somewhere to fund them.

    If you want a break from the riff raff all you need to find is a wine bar. Some of them serve beer but don’t advertise it. Hotel bars are another one. Wear a nice shirt and no one will ask if you are a guest.

  97. gatobart says:

    As I wrote in one of my comments, and I repeat here, Intelligence in a rather abstract concept that it doesn’t appear so clear and definitive when brought to the real world and we start considering above all Man’s connection with his environment. I think this little story illustrates this well:

    A world famous professor, an extremely intelligent urban, academic man by all accounts, is visiting in a solo trip a country where he finds himself one day cruising in a boat across a big lake in the only company of a local man rowing the boat. They travel in silence, until the moment when the professor suddenly drops the question: Tell me, do you know about Maths…? The man shakes his head and the academic sighs then with fake despair: Ah, you have lost at least half of your life…! A few minutes later he asks: and Astronomy, do you know anything about it…? The man shakes his head again and the professor goes: Ah! then you have lost a great part of your life…! Moments later he is gonna ask again, but seeing that heavy dark clouds are gathering and that the waters are getting choppy, the man stops him in his tracks, asking him: Sir, do you know how to swim…? Perplexed, the professor, shakes his head. “Then you lost all your life”, says the man, reading himself to dive on the waters.

    The point of this little story is that we can’t judge or determine the intellectual reach of an individual without considering his or her environment. We have all seen movies and TV series in which people very urban, sophisticated and smart are literally destroyed once they change environments. Just remember movies like Deliverance, or even Vietnam flicks like AN or Platoon. As long as people who are very “intelligent’ in their own familiar environment turn into complete idiots, or helpless babies when they are dumped into one which is unfamiliar to them, I refuse to accept that any human test, method or sciences is able to measure “Intelligence”. Skills, natural talent and aptitudes, yes.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @Resartus
  98. Wally says:
    @anon

    LOL

    I guess that’s why so many Nigerians flee Nigeria.

    • Replies: @anon
  99. @CelestiaQuesta

    Charging a $1.00 dollar admission fee accomplishes the same thing.

  100. bayviking says:

    Reading James Thompson, I am appalled. As if there is a genetic explanation for everything being the way it is. As if climate, greed, weapons of mass destruction and criminal Banking have not been the most powerful forces shaping the world we live in.

    This musicianship and compositional genius is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music ever written. All Black.

    A most beautiful example of black genius.

    Even Steely Dan had to tip their hat to Duke Ellington with a unique recording of “East St. Louis Toodle-oo” where guitars replaced horns.

    • Replies: @JM
  101. chrimony says:
    @gatobart

    The big elephant in the room about which no one is talking about is that IQ tests don’t measure pure, raw, Intelligence, as no one can define what exactly Intelligence is and when they try they always carry to their definition their own cultural bias, so at the end all what an IQ measures are skills, natural or even acquired with age, experience and practice.

    You’re behind the times. General intelligence has been refined to a “g factor”, and it is highly predictive of outcomes with regards to intelligence as you’d expect it to be. It’s just amazing to me how people deny reality. Do you really not know dumb people that have a hard time learning new things or figuring things out? Do you really not know smart people that are the opposite? It’s beyond mere practice and culture.

  102. @Lee

    The ‘detector vans’ were black propaganda. They’d install a worrying-looking aerial on top of a van labelled TV LICENSING AUTHORITY and cruise round council estates or park the thing at a nearby shopping centre, whereupon there’d be a sudden rush for the Post Office counter where TV licences used to be sold. The myth was that the equipment inside (usually comprising little more than the operatives’ sandwiches and a thermos flask of tea) could pinpoint your TV set and even determine what you were watching.

    All lies, of course. Besides, no evidence from these vans has ever been adduced in court, because then the defence could demand an explanation of how they work. In any case they’re redundant now with the demise of CRT TVs.

    • Thanks: Lee
  103. Malla says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    So they loot the British people to push their Marxist, anti-British native people propaganda and brainwashing, on the hard earned money of the same people they hate!!
    Satanic, sinister and brilliant.

  104. gatobart says:
    @John Johnson

    “Waaaaaaay too idealistic.

    Try spending some time around teenagers. Most are fine with doing nothing and that includes the smart ones.”

    You are wrong, they are not like that, like hanging around, doing nothing. The problem see, is that all well paid, demanding yet deeply satisfying and promising jobs rolling down concrete stairs on skateboards and doing windmills on the pavement have already been taken.

  105. @Yoyu

    Black Africans are selected as migrants because of their professional skills. Their children are probably more intelligent than white children in government schools. Why would that surprise anybody? [email protected]

  106. Vojkan says:
    @John Johnson

    Given that most liberals are white and that most of them aren’t exactly outliers on the curve’s right, their inability to achieve whatever result they wish sort of proves that with regards to IQ, culture indeed plays a more important role than genes.
    More seriously, training that fosters formatted, “stenciled” reasoning restricted by dogmas that for the most part go against the natural order, i.e. the kind of reasoning promoted by liberal ideology, will logically lead to a deficit in IQ. The obvious cognitive decline in the last half-century, verified by IQ test scores, can hardly be said to be due to a genetic decline and is much more likely due to a steady cultural decline during the same period.

  107. JM says:
    @Marckus

    “…and you and your comments are the finest example of the black village idiot we have here on UR !”

    Hhahahahahahaha. That’s our would-be Pocahontas to a tee.

  108. JM says:
    @bayviking

    This musicianship and compositional genius is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music ever written.

    What an ignorant but pretentious assessment!

    And it’s a non sequitur to boot.

  109. @anon

    You are comparing GDP with a country that has a population of 210 million to countries that have populations under 10 million.WTF are you crazy! Compare GDP per person and then you have got something relevant. You forgot to compare Wakanda to those European nations. Har Har Har!

    Fast food has a lot of protein. KFC chicken sandwich has 27 grams of protein. McDonalds quarter pounder has 30 grams of protein. Your knowledge of nutrition is poor. The problem with most fast foods is that it is fried in fat/grease adding many excess useless calories.

    Wake up!

    • Replies: @anon
  110. @Vojkan

    “The obvious cognitive decline in the last half-century, verified by IQ test scores, can hardly be said to be due to a genetic decline and is much more likely due to a steady cultural decline during the same period.”

    Hey dummy you forgot to mention that low IQ people are out breading high IQ people. W the F up.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @gatobart
  111. @Peter Lund

    If you put a thousand chimpanzees on a thousand computer keyboards and gave them enough time, one of them would come up with the complete works of Shakespeare eventually.

    • Replies: @Peter Lund
  112. Vojkan says:
    @europeasant

    I didn’t realise low IQ people were also cannibals but if you say so…

  113. Resartus says:
    @gatobart

    I refuse to accept that any human test, method or sciences is able to measure “Intelligence”. Skills, natural talent and aptitudes, yes.

    Have argued with people for decades over the terms:

    Intelligent and Smart….

    They aren’t the same, no matter how much someone wants them to be….

    Best two examples of Intelligent and not actually Smart on TV
    are Bones and Sheldon Cooper….

  114. gatobart says:

    Funny, that as soon as I read the word Smart the first thing that came to my mind was TV’s own answer to MI6’s James Bond, Control’s spying ace Maxwell Smart, a clueless self important idiot who nevertheless always manages to save the girl and catch the bad guys.

    But I am still foggy about Intelligence, still too abstract. Let’s see for example what Wikipedia says;

    Intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

    But what skills…? For example I was always a complete zero when trying to play guitar, let alone when trying to compose music, and also when trying to play football (soccer) There were other things also, but on the other hand I has always been rather good at getting the big picture of things, to get fast to the essence of them, and to the essence of real life situations and problems, when others were still lost, so the first who could say what had to be done. What I mean, if we want to exactly define Intelligence we will have to categorize personal skills by their importance to…what? to who…? For example, it is more important to be good at figures and to be able to handle and apply abstract ideas, to be able to do fast mental calculations, than to be physically fast to react in emergency situations, let say the guy who is able to immediately jump and go do a Heimlich on someone who is choking…? That is why I am very careful with the word Intelligence, life is not as simple as to be able to encapsulate the best reactions and answers in all possible situations. As I said, the genius in one situation could well be a complete idiot in some other. We all have some skill(s), we may be even genius at some things, but how to categorize them…? By instance, who would you say is the most intelligent of these four, judging by the particular skills that have made them rich and famous, Gordon Ramsay, Danica Patrick, Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey…?

    BTW, I consider Sheldon Cooper just another self glorified idiot and Temperance Brennan not much better.

    • Replies: @Resartus
    , @Lancelot_Link
  115. gatobart says:
    @europeasant

    Hey dummy you forgot to mention that low IQ people are out breading high IQ people. W the F up.

    Note to You: You don’t have to believe everything your beer buddies tell you.

  116. gatobart says:

    I was raised as a Catholic in the South Cone of the Americas but I abandoned the Church during my teens, disillusioned with its lack of connection with the realities of this world. But i would be more or less willing to return to the flock if they guarantee me just one thing, if they assure me of this simple thing: that there will be no jazz in Havens.

  117. HbutnotG says:
    @John Johnson

    You apparently didn’t grow up in the bowling and beer days. Golf clubs were confined to Grosse Pointe and Bloomfield Hills. That was back when people got their hands dirty working in factories, had a mortgage, and before that put their upwardly mobile lives on hold and slogged through mud or dodged suicidal Japs “to protect the country.” They weren’t liberals. But the UAW “cut their nice fat check” and insisted that they vote D. 8th grade was it for them. “Who really needs more than that?” BTW, IQ has limited in common with Jeopardy.

  118. Resartus says:
    @gatobart

    By instance, who would you say is the most intelligent of these four, judging by the particular skills that have made them rich and famous, Gordon Ramsay, Danica Patrick, Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey…?

    Don’t know how Gordon came through the system, Danica was sponsored, when she made a name racing then she got rich doing ads other things, Bill got rich off other peoples work, he was a mediocre coder (Jobs wrote Dos, other programmers made M$ Browser for him), Oprah however good an actress, was sponsored to the tune of $250 Mil over 4 or 5 years before becoming famous….
    So without all the information, can only say Gordon made it on his own….

    Bones and Cooper both remind me of Professors in 30s movies, while good in their field, wore loafers, because they couldn’t tie their own shoes…..
    Both were put in situations (mostly of their own making), where they knew how things work, but had no experience and intelligence wouldn’t carry them…..

    • Replies: @gatobart
  119. HbutnotG says:
    @John Johnson

    Small class size (distraction) and starting school too early (still in a fog).

  120. @gatobart

    At a recent reunion it was just like returning to the old class culture, though everyone had grown up. A majority of the ladies became psychologists, which was the thing back in the late 1960s. The men were rather a successful lot, including myself.

    However, I was sad to learn that a person who had originally been like yourself had passed away.

    This particular fellow was a transfer student into our high school. And as a Hispanic he stuck out in the midst of a mostly white student population. He was also quite overweight but not to such an extent that he simply looked fat. If he had worked out his weight would have been proportional to his large bone structure. But he was earnest and studious and attempted to perform his studies well, which I believe he was successful at.

    I wasn’t quite sure what caused his problems with the rest of the student body; whether it was his Hispanic background, his weight, or his seemingly off-putting professorial-like attitude towards the rest of us, or a combination of all three. Maybe his attitude was a result of sheer nervousness in a student population he didn’t quite fit comfortable with.

    I was somewhat of an outcast myself but I had learned to deal with it to a degree.

    In any event, this fellow seemed to rub a lot of people the wrong way to the point where they ostracized him. Not that I could see any evidence of any form of direct bullying but he did seem to increasingly not fit in. And he felt it.

    The result was that he made a complete 180 with his personality and went from a studious person to becoming a member of the “hoods” in our school; the low class kids that would rather use their brawn instead of their brains to make it; our form of “thug”.

    He never returned to his more studious self and I watched his downward slide throughout the rest of my years there…

    But you succeeded where this poor fellow failed. It is a testamant to your inner-strength; something most do not possess…

    • Replies: @gatobart
  121. The Human Species consists up of many different Breeds. Just as in the Canine World. Different Breeds of people have ingrained characteristics which { thought there are many exceptions } ; are dominant aspects of different Breeds. A Dachshund is not B order collie. A Zulu Tribesman from Africa is not an Eskimo ; or Arab. Not better……not worse…..just different . Simply Put ; Most peoples like to live among their own Kind.

  122. gatobart says:
    @Resartus

    By that token you could shoot down every single individual that has come to fame and notoriety. The Beatles would have been just another random pop group of the 60s forgotten by now had not been for the work and collaboration of Brian Epstein and George Martin, the Fifth Beatle. Einstein would have been just another patents clerks in Switzerland that no one would have heard of by now had not been because of his wife and all the stuff he stole from Poincare and others. Etc. I love it (no, I don’t) when in a debate someone tries to take the fight to a context, a discussion, a perspective, a way of analyzing things, they think will give them a good chance of winning it and you are not an exception to the rule. Your tactic here is simply to try to shot down achievers belittling their capacities while emphasizing circumstances and elements that could have had a decisive effect, or not. Yes, Danica Patrick got to her present standing because she was sponsored…but of the many women who have tried to reach the same position as her, to become a celebrity in a sport that has been traditionally the exclusive turf of male pilots, why did they decide to sponsor her and no other women of the many that may have tried…? Yes, Oprah is a good actor and guess what, she was sponsored also…! But, question, how many people would have cared to watch on TV a Harry & Meghan interview if that had been conducted by Miss Generic Female Talking Head…? No, people watched it and the reason they put her there with a microphone is because they knew she would be asking the right questions. So, it is clear there what you are doing there, you are trying to devalue all those candidates for geniuses that don’t satisfy your own preconceptions or your pet theories on the matter.

  123. gatobart says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    I know that for many people from other cultures it is extremely difficult to fit among the locals in North America but I can tell you that in many cases its has very little to do with their ethnicity and practically all to do with the fact that they grew up in a foreign culture. The expression fish out of the water fits them to perfection. When I came to Canada, one of the interesting discoveries that I made in the first few years is that the capacity of Latin Americans to adapt, to get good jobs above all, to get acquainted with the locals, specially of the opposite sex if you get my drift, had little to do with their own ethnicity, i.e. how much White European looking they were. What particularly stroke me was the difference between Chileans & Argentinean in that respect. Argos are mainly Europeans and many of them light skinned, blonde and clear eyes while Chileans are more of a mixed, mestizo kind but when it came to open their way here, in the real world, the ones fitting the best, getting the best results, the best jobs, the Canadian women, even the posts in government, even getting elected in the provincial parliament, rubbing elbows with provincial politicians & union leaders, were the Chileans when the Argentinians couldn’t even get to touch the ball, in soccer lingo, and were barely able to get even mediocre jobs. Maybe that is because of the particularities of Quebec society; at the time everybody had heard of Augusto Pinochet so there was already a predetermined capital of sympathy towards Chileans but in any case they proved to be extremely apt at adapting in a completely foreign environment to the point that many times I was surprised to see some random guy installed in some well paid managerial job asking myself how did he do it to get there. We even used to comment and joke on that. (How this guy got that job…?) That is why I can’t judge in general, but what I have seen with time is that when you are in the situation of the Hispanic guy you are talking I would think that all the trouble he developed socially had little to do with his ethnicity, and if that was the case that was probably a problem he had already, he had brought with him from his home country, maybe if he was too much of a native he was already looked with contempt by his Whiter countryman and the fact of finding himself surrounded by them accentuated the problem. You have to understand that in Latin America there are social classes too and what you got here is people from all strata of the social scale and also from different places. The educated urbanite from Santiago or Buenos Aires is not the same as the small town guy from the province and you notice the difference very soon. There is also the fact that the U.S. is a far more racist country than Canada, race is a big deal among your people, so a guy who may feel comfortable in Canada could feel very uncomfortable in the US. After all, i have never heard of any Hispanic in Canada being insulted or screamed at because they hear him speak in Spanish. Maybe the guy you are talking about just landed on the wrong country. There are many factors that could have sent him that way in his life.

  124. Resartus says:

    Gatobart…..

    You chose the rich and famous to critique….
    You asked me which I rated higher…..

    Oprah was able to talk with Harry & Meghan, because she had
    around 35 years to develop an audience/following…..
    All I did was point out was she wasn’t the “Self Made” celebrity
    some want to make her out to be….

    Gordon can be quite the ass, is it a made up persona or the real thing,
    who knows…..

    I root highly for all the women attempting to make it in racing…..
    Several, like Danica were put in very good equipment, but their talent
    didn’t pan out….

    So, it is clear there what you are doing there, you are trying to devalue all those candidates for geniuses that don’t satisfy your own preconceptions or your pet theories on the matter.

    As you devalue the whole conversation by assuming you have any clue about my intentions….

    Plenty of people we call Geniuses, when not operating in their field of expertise, are little more than “Fish out of Water”…

    NFL announcers used to talk about players who were also Drs/Lawyers etc….
    Where the vast majority of Basketball players failed to make it through college…..

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @gatobart
  125. gatobart says:
    @Resartus

    Tomato, potato. Every single individual who has reached fame and notoriety in this world for all possible reasons, a mathematical and scientific genius, a prodigious musical talent, a great actor, etc, etc, has something he or she could, or should, be ashamed of; or something awful they have been accused of. And I don’t mean that the accusations have been always well deserved but simply that for every exceptional individual having been born in this world there will be always those who will find faults in them, real or not. Even Einstein and Newton have been ripped by critics accusing them of having stolen their contributions from others. Newton is accused to this day of having stolen Calculus from Leibniz. And don’t get me started with Edison, who has been never been able of shaking off the charges of having exploited mercilessly Nicolas Tesla and having stolen everything from him. In fact, now that I mention, Tesla is probably the only famous scientist in History that hasn’t been accused of stealing anything, or of having falsified anything; quite the contrary, the only scientist who got almost everything stolen from him, the only universally recognized truly scientific genius. Even nowadays we have another example, when the Big Bang theory has come under heavy scrutiny and finally run of steam and so entire generations of astronomers and physicists have come under suspicion of being nothing more than glorified charlatans. And could add name after name after famous name whose fame has been disputed as undeserved or who have been caught lying. Mendel, for example, has been also accused of having falsified the results of some if not many of his tests with plants, to make them fit his preconceived theories. There are entire books written on scientific fraud, detailing cases from Ancient History to the modern era, and many of the examples in those point to very famous names, which are familiar to all us. (BTW, even Werner Von Braun has been accused, very credibly in my view) of having faked the so called Moon landings. The reason why I compile this little list is because, yes, you seem intended in shooting down every single example of exceptional individual I could mention, every achiever, every gifted mind, every talent. So I am not making excuses for “devaluing the conversation” as you put is, as in the first place I don’t think I mentioned I wanted to have it with you and in second place because I see it useless, as you seem more intended on shoving your own point of view down my throat by disqualifying anything I may say rather than honestly exchange opinions.

    BTW, I wouldn’t be surprised if you consider the Beatles just another mediocre rock band who just got lucky.

  126. gatobart says:
    @Resartus

    And anyway, I didn’t present you that list because I would be anxiously waiting for your answer to know what to think myself about those four, but to simply show with this example that, if presented to a random group of people the choices would be more or less fairly distributed among them, everyone picking one or the other for their own personal reasons, which would prove my point, that we, mankind, are not at this juncture capable of truly measuring the “real intelligence” in us.

  127. Vojkan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Not in the last decades, though most studies suggest environmental rather than social or genetic causes:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+negative+flynn+effect

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  128. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    The net migration rate of Nigeria is lower than Mexico’s. Many Nigerian immigrants to the U.S. sent their children back to Nigeria for high school.

    I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

  129. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @europeasant

    See this same thread. There are numerous African countries with higher per capita GDP than some European countries.

    • Replies: @bispora
  130. Resartus says:

    are not at this juncture capable of truly measuring the “real intelligence” in us.

    We never will be…..
    The fact is, the only point of knowing,
    is control, to place people where those who
    believe they are in charge want others…..

    The one thing the self described Intelligentsia don’t seem to understand,
    everyone, whether city, town, country, slum or high society live in a different bubble……
    These bubbles/environment, receive multiple streams of different information…..
    Almost everyone studies people, problem lies that some bubbles limit the different types
    of people, while some multiple the variances…..

    As they say…. “Knowledge is Power“….. Difficulty comes when you try to assert the wrong knowledge in the wrong place…….

  131. @gatobart

    If intelligence is the ability to acquire new skills imagine living amongst people averaging one or two standard deviations to the left and getting more dysgenic by the decade.

    Somewhere between “Idiocracy” and “Last Train to Zona Verde” is where it’s headed.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  132. bispora says:
    @anon

    Well, you are definetly not the brightest commenter…
    Let see the richest african country:
    “Since the mid-1990s, Equatorial Guinea has become one of sub-Saharan Africa’s largest oil producers. It has subsequently become the richest country per capita in Africa, and its gross domestic product (GDP) adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita ranks 43rd in the world; however, the wealth is distributed extremely unevenly, with few people benefiting from the oil riches. The country ranks 144th on the 2019 Human Development Index, with less than half the population having access to clean drinking water and almost 10% of children dying before the age of five.
    Equatorial Guinea’s government is authoritarian and has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the “worst of the worst” in Freedom House’s annual survey of political and civil rights. Reporters Without Borders ranks President Obiang among its “predators” of press freedom”

    • Replies: @anon
  133. gatobart says:
    @Lancelot_Link

    Yep, the definition is kind of foggy and even misleading. Too general. If we follow it to the letter we may conclude that a guy that a year ago learned how to go down over metal railings of concrete stairs on a skateboard without breaking any single bone or rupturing his balls; and who next got the hold of making windmills to rap music on the pavement and who is now learning to to make holes in every single organ and orifice in his body, is really on his way to become a genius..! He has already acquired three new skills in only one year…!

  134. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @bispora

    Cool. Now do Belarus. Or Romania. Or Albania.

  135. Tomas says:
    @James Thompson

    As a special ed teacher in Houston I had more than one student tell me that they engineered their placement into SPED. The reason is simple, they would rather bounce around on pretty girls than bust their brains in the main program. All graduates receive the same diploma!

  136. @Joe Paluka

    Mark Dean is in no way a chimpanzee. He is just a guy who has been overpromoted(*) and overhyped a bit due to his skin colour. He is actually competent.

    *) He was made an IBM fellow. There are very, very few of those.

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