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I do not like the sound of “blood clots”. Many European leaders don’t like the sound of them either. Not nice, as my Granny used to say. It seems that some people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccination appear to have developed blood clots, 37 among 17 million people Europeans given the vaccine, so many European leaders have suspended vaccinations on the basis of “the precautionary principle”. I did not know this, but since 2005 this principle has been appended to the French Constitution. Slavish compliance with the precautionary principle is like ensuring your knife is correctly buttoned into its scabbard as you head off to a gunfight. European and international health agencies have told them not to stop vaccinating, so with their refusal we have another festival of confusion across the channel. Essentially, the Continent is cut off by fog, a fog of their own creation.

The back story is that there are blood clots and blood clots. Some happen in 1 in a thousand persons, and others so rarely that it is hard to calculate the base rates. Some account say that it was the latter sort which caused some countries to halt vaccinations. Whatever the reason, other countries followed suit. About a week later the advice came back that they should resume vaccinations. Not all have done so.

The French President had said that the AstraZeneca vaccine was “quasi-ineffective in over 65 year olds” and French health officials are now saying it should not be used on under 55 year olds. So, if official guidance is to be believed, this vaccine works for the 55 to 65 age group only. As Sir John Bell, Regius Chair of Medicine at the University of Oxford said, their policy is “crackers”.

In an attempt to raise all these rows to a war footing, the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, is threatening to use an emergency clause in their constitution to justify embargoing the export of vaccines, which might result in AstraZeneca having to break its prior contract with the UK in order to fulfil a later contract with the EU. This is a mystifying plan of action, since at the moment the European factories don’t produce this vaccine, and 90% of it comes from England, and the last 10% from India. However, the European factory is due to come online soon, so the fuss is about who gets the big boost in production.

My impression of many national leaders is that they don’t really know much about industrial production processes, namely how long it takes to perfect a technique, and how widely across the world one has to search for all the ingredients and specialist equipment required for mass production of a new vaccine, at a scale never before achieved. All this threatening behaviour, just to be able to use a vaccine which is only available because the University of Oxford designed it, and because the University of Oxford partnered with AstraZeneca on the condition it was sold to everybody at cost, and because the United Kingdom then bankrolled it in advance, giving the company a guaranteed income flow in return for a pre-booked delivery schedule. The UK also pre-booked lots of other vaccine candidates very early in their development. The French seem to be particularly peeved because their own vaccine, put together by the Pasteur Institute and Sanofi, flopped, leading to lots of morose soul-searching.

To make a repellently absurd, petulant and posturing performance even worse, it turns out that the blood clot fiasco has resulted in 14 million doses of vaccine having been left unused, such that Europe is now facing a third wave of infection, and France has just locked down 21 million citizens, while they work out quite what to do with a population which were already vaccine hesitant, and are now vaccine bewildered and downright hostile. An English friend who lives and works in St Tropez got vaccinated last week. He said that the only people vaccinated while he was there (for about 40 minutes because it included the compulsory waiting time) was himself and another guy who was in a wheel chair. No other patients showed up. He had time to do his own little performance routine, saying he would only accept a vaccine if it was Russian, and then spent time chatting in English with the French medical staff, who said that all the available vaccines worked, if only people would take them.

Gerd Gigerenzer has made a great contribution to the understanding of risk in his 2002 book. What I most liked about his approach is that he designed a simple heuristic to make us smart, namely that when making decisions about risks, we should always draw out a frequency tree and put in actual numbers derived from population base rates. He also suggested that these “natural frequencies” were easier to understand than percentages, particularly when the percentages include decimal points. Only 0.01% of people get those right.

Plotting out the frequencies for all conceivable vaccination side effects, against the effects on those who get Covid would be a simple way of looking at costs and benefits. People with Covid often get blood clots. Recent data from the Netherlands and France suggest that 30-70% of coronavirus patient in intensive care units develop blood clots, one in four develop a pulmonary embolism, and are more likely to suffer a stroke. Not nice at all.

Since the virus kills mostly those above 65 years of age, as already described in my post on 3rd February:

For those between 65 and 75 year of age the risk is 2,500 in 100,000. For those between 75 and 85 years it is 6,000 per 100,000, and for those over 80 years it is 20,000 per 100,000. Individual choices will vary, but from 65 years onwards, a vaccination may look like a good bet.

Currently, the UK is vaccinating its population at a much higher rate than Europe.

Currently, the UK is experiencing fewer cases than most of Europe:

As a pointer for the future, as many more millions get vaccinated across the world, (currently 436 million and rising fast), the number of apparent side effects will rise in absolute numbers. The number of real side effects may also rise. The key issue is whether those side effects justify not being vaccinated and accepting the effects of getting Covid. Also, given that most national programs prioritize the elderly, there will be more and more people who will die shortly after being vaccinated for reasons of age alone. Some of those deaths will be of people who have rare diseases. As more and more millions get vaccinated, one day an elderly patient may die as they get vaccinated.

Saturday was a record day for UK coronavirus vaccinations, with 873,784 people inoculated. Those looking forward to a holiday in France have been told that they should wait before making bookings. No one wants returning tourists bringing back new variants from France. The entente is not so cordial.

 
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  1. dearieme says:

    Taking the novel and risky step of appending “the precautionary principle” to the French Constitution did, of course, violate “the precautionary principle”.

  2. dearieme says:

    Look at the proto-fascist chumps who run the EU and recall that they all liked to mock Trump and Boris on the grounds of incompetence and xenophobia.

  3. Luisman says: • Website

    There are good reasons why it takes 7 to 10 years until a new vaccine is approved for general use.
    There is a phase when lab animals (usually primates) are vaccinated, then observed for short and long term adverse effects (like the ability to conceive and the health effects on the kids, and many more). Then the vaccinated animals get infected with a virus from ‘the wild’ and it is observed if adverse effects happen, and how effective the vaccine was – like if it actually suppresses sickness and transmission. All this data is not available now.

    Instead of lab animals, the vaccines are now tested on humans en masse. As long as this is volountary, fine with me. It is an IQ test, as well as it may be an eugenic measure.

  4. I do not like the sound of “blood clots”.

    It is funny to see this split among the terminally terrorized. You all didn’t like the sound of “Covid” when your TV blared it at you, and with zero precaution or reason or sanity you embarked upon history’s most extreme experiment in totalitarian mind-f%cking, abject obedience and now submission to transhumanist genetic alteration of your own cellular processes.

    (The AZ injection isn’t MRNA but is part of the general mass terror propaganda of “vaccination” and is an experimental injection just like the others since it too was rushed to deployment without even the already-meager tests required for regular vaccines.)

    Intact human beings like myself applied two precautions from day one:

    1. Never believe proven liars who we know lied in literally every prior case of an alleged “threat”.

    2. No matter how bad an alleged external threat is, nothing is worse than totalitarianism and a police state based on terror, snitching and violence. Nothing from outside could be worse than this. Nothing. So from day one I said I’d rather let any alleged “pandemic” do its worst than give the already grossly empowered corporate police state any further powers and rationale.

    That was before I’d even done my own research, and based only on having real principles, something 2020 proved almost no one has. (The writer of this piece is typical in having immediately, with zero thought or precaution or knowledge or reason, based on nothing but the hypnotic terrorism emanating from his TV, pegged the danger of “Covid” at infinite and discounted all other values to zero. To this day no Covidian society I’m aware of has held any debate of values, any kind of cost-benefit assessment. This very unanimity, and the instantaneous consensus the moment the WHO shrieked “pandemic!” based on a sudden radical change in its definition of that term, are the best proof that the whole thing is a premeditated, prearranged monumental scam.)

    Of course all my subsequent research has proven I was right – they’ve lied every step of the way, likely even about the very existence of “Covid” and indisputably about how dangerous it is if it does exist. And they never for a second have had any “public health” motive, only malign ulterior motives of power and control and domination, along with the usual plunder and profiteering.

    Now some European elites are having second thoughts about mass experimentation of radical pseudo-“medical” technologies on a non-consensual basis (terrorizing people psychologically to stampede them into submission to a medical experiment, adding anti-scientific legal and social discrimination and penalties for refusal to comply, both violate the Nuremburg code), allegedly because of the real collateral effects of this bioweapon which up till now only the despised and censored fringe cared about.

    I don’t know why they’ve belatedly discovered the need for precaution in the face of the so-many-times repeated pattern of the system using lies to deploy technologies which do zero good and are intended only to harm and destroy. I still have to assume they have some ulterior motive for it since the mere injury and death caused by the AZ injection shouldn’t matter to them given the vastly greater by many orders of magnitude injuries and deaths they deliberately inflicted and are continuing to inflict through their anti-scientific lockdowns, which also have zero public health purpose but only evil purposes.

    (As for “precaution” as a European constitutional matter, they brazenly ignore that in the case of many industrial and agricultural poisons and in the case of globalist policies which obviously do no good and great harm to the people as a whole, as opposed to elites. So no, they’re not being forced by their constitution to apply the precautionary principle in this case. They’re only choosing to cite it as the pretext for what really has other motives. Maybe they want to substitute the MRNA injections fir the AZ.)

    All I can think of, although this seems wildly optimistic, is that given the rising organized public resistance to the lockdown assault the elite Eurotrash are becoming so nervous about their hold on power, along with the general climate of contagious epidemic fear-itself which they themselves artificially foisted but which perhaps is boomeranging back to infect themselves to some extent, they blinked and let reality take a hand for the first time in this entire saga of a monumental escape from freedom through the vehicle of an escape from reality.

    The reality, of course, as we few intact whole human beings have said all along, is that there’s zero reason for any of these forcible interventions, many reasons to abstain from them and reject them, and many harms caused only by the interventions themselves. A few months in we have rapidly mounting evidence of how this applies to the injections most of all. In this case many European governments and nabobs have been forced to agree.

  5. meamjojo says:

    The vast majority of people taking the vaccines seem to believe that doing so will confer immunity from Covid upon them, which isn’t true. All the vaccine does is reduce the possibility that someone will get seriously sick and have to go to the hospital (and perhaps die).

    So why isn’t this point being explored in the MSM? Brushing over this detail only serves to reinforce the concern that there is something in the vaccines that TPTB want to get inside of people.

  6. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    Blood Clots, no problem, we’ve got lots of drugs for that: Warfarin, Rivaroxaban, Dabigatran, Apixaban etc. etc.

    (((We))) cause a problem and sell you the cure.

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  7. Sabretache says: • Website

    According to consensus estimates, as a 76 year old male in good health, I have @ a 99.7% chance of surviving should I become symptomatic with Covid-19 and a vastly greater (say 99.997%-ish) overall chance. If the so-called ‘vaccines’ are as effective as their manufacturers claim – a very big if indeed – then my chances will improve to @99.9%. So, why on earth would I – or anyone else in his/her right mind – subject myself to an experimental mass-medication experiment to improve my survivial chances by a mere fraction of a percentage point?

  8. Here is a helpful collage of screenshots of the many, many media stories about people dying or seriously hurt after being injected with coronavirus vaccines

    Stories which are increasingly pushed aside by the search engines, in favour of ‘the death wasn’t related’ vaccine propaganda

    Quite huge image, 4 megabytes, you can look at the image here and enlarge sections of it to view via your browser, or download it to view more easily on your computer … might need to wait a couple seconds for the image to fully load if you look at it on your pc

    https://postimg.cc/JGn9Z2Py

  9. Rahan says:

    My impression of many national leaders is that they don’t really know much about industrial production processes, namely how long it takes to perfect a technique, and how widely across the world one has to search for all the ingredients and specialist equipment required for mass production of a new vaccine, at a scale never before achieved.

    Only the Churchill type of leader in the West, and the Stalin type of leader in the East, are of the superior type who more or less hold everything in their heads.

    The remaining majority of leaders, in order to be adequate, need constant access to honest specialists and advisers, combined with an innate instinct that allows them to quickly extrapolate and do what needs to be done right now.

    That’s if one believes in leaders. Instead, many in the US and North America are drifting toward a “technocracy” scenario in the sense of various unelected committees “steering society”.

    Of today’s big leaders, probably Putin and Xi, and to a lesser extent Orban and Erdogan are the Churchill/Stalin types who actually hold everything in their heads.

    Boris Johnson, Trump, and to an extent Macron–probably in the instinctive extrapolator category.

    However, if a leader has bad instincts, or is bad at extrapolation, and is surrounded by fake experts and advisers who either only say what is allowed to be said, or in reality lobby someone else’s interests, then stuff goes bad fast.

    Likewise, the “technocracy scenario” can only work, if the steering committees are under constant pressure from a) grassroot population, b) an honest media, c) a smart leader at the top of the country. This triangle of force is what can keep the “technocrats” from degenerating in a week.

    In the EU and in North America, if the controlling triangle is not set up fast, the “technocrats” are going to do increasingly degenerate stuff.

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  10. 1) The vaccine is also produced in Belgium.
    2) The EU doesn’t have to care whether there is an earlier contract with the UK — AstraZeneca is not fulfilling its contract with the EU.

    The overall risk of blood clots, lethal or not, for those vaccinated with their vaccine is clearly quite low. There was some concern that one or a few batches were defective in some way so they were far, far riskier than the vaccine would normally be. Whether that is true or just down to faulty reporting is still unclear to me.

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  11. Adrian says:

    One should read Thompson’s article in conjunction with inter alia that by the independent Australian researcher Anthony Colpo:

    https://anthonycolpo.com/authorities-are-lying-through-their-teeth-about-the-deadly-astrazeneca-vaccine/

    It is true that a considerable number of Covid intensive care patients suffer from thrombotic complications. Recent Dutch research (a retrospective cohort study) seems to suggest that they occur more frequently in hospitalized Covid IC patients than in hospitalized infuenza patients:

    Of the 13.217 hospitalized influenza patients, 437 (3.3%) were diagnosed with thrombotic complications, versus 66 (11%) of the 579 hospitalized COVID-19 patients. The 30-day cumulative incidence of any thrombotic complication in influenza was 11% (95%CI 9.4-12) versus 25% (95%CI 18-32) in COVID-19. For venous thrombotic complications (VTE) and arterial thrombotic complications alone, these numbers were respectively 3.6% (95%CI 2.7-4.6) and 7.5% (95%CI 6.3-8.8) in influenza versus 23% (95%CI 16-29) and 4.4% (95%CI 1.9-8.8) in COVID-19.
    Conclusions The incidence of thrombotic complications in hospitalized influenza patients was lower than in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. This difference was mainly driven by a high risk of VTE complications in the COVID-19 patients admitted to ICU. Remarkably, influenza patients were more often diagnosed with arterial thrombotic complications.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.18.20248265v1

    However one wonders whether similar groups were compared here. The authors add: This difference was mainly driven by a high risk of VTE complications in the COVID-19 patients admitted to ICU.

    No such qualification is used in relation to the influenza patients.

    So one has to compare the chance of ending up with thrombotic complications as a Covid 19 patient to that of getting into the same situation after having been vaccinated with Astrazeneca.

    Difficult.

    That Astrazeneca can lead to those complications is by now pretty certain (see Colpo on this). But it is at this stage far from certain that this vaccine can actually protect you against being infected by the virus in the first place. Also the Astrazeneca caused thrombosis occurs in younger age groups than the Covid 19 variety. So in terms of “years of life lost” it is a more serious affliction.

    And thrombotic complications are not the only dismal side effects of this vaccination.

    Colpo reports:

    In the UK alone, between 4 January 2021 and 7 March 2021, the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine has accumulated 61,304 MeDRA reports comprised of 228,337 adverse reactions and 289 fatalities.

    Colpo remarks further:

    AstraZeneca said it reviewed safety data from 17 million people who got the shot in the UK and EU, and found fewer clot-related adverse effects than would be expected in any group of that size.

    and points out that this is in direct contradiction to the findings of the highly regarded German Paul Ehrlich Institute:

    As its 15 March 2021 press statement reveaIed “the experts of the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut now see a striking accumulation of a special form of very rare cerebral vein thrombosis (sinus vein thrombosis) in connection with a deficiency of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia) and bleeding in temporal proximity to vaccinations with the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca …

    The number of these cases after vaccination with COVID-19 AstraZeneca is statistically significantly higher than the number of cerebral venous thromboses that normally occur in the unvaccinated population…

    So the Instituite recommended suspending vaccination.

    Various European goverments have sought to cover their respective backsides by doing this (though not necessarily on the advice of this institute) and referring the whole matter to the European Medicine Agency (EMA).

    Colpo is rather unimpressed.:

    The EMA on Wednesday 11 March noted two other “thrombotic events” in people who had received the vaccine, but claimed there was “no indication” the vaccine had caused these events. The EMA – which receives around 86% of its annual budget from its drug industry clientele – nonetheless promised a thorough (whitewash) investigation of the matter.

    It has since then concluded that the benefits of vaccination outweigfh the risks. Well we know a bit about the risks but the benefits are still largely a matter of assurances from on high.

  12. It seems that some people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccination appear to have developed blood clots, 37 among 17 million people Europeans given the vaccine….

    Those would be the reported cases accepted as possibly causative; one of the bigger untold stories of the vaccines would be the under-reporting of complications up to and including death that coincide with administration of the vaccine, which to this point are largely being brushed aside as cooncidental, and some even being attributed to COVID itself. “Gee, too bad you got the vaxx too late!”

    It is funny how the case rate and death rate still seem somewhat higher in the places where the vaxx has been most effectively rolled out. Recent research at Aix-Marseille University suggests a death rate of 0.2% of those 65 and over who were recently vaccinated, or 200 per 100k, versus <5 per 100k who were unvaccinated from COVID itself.

    Bug, or feature?

    And we haven’t even begun to experience longer-term effects.

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  13. dearieme says:
    @meamjojo

    All the vaccine does is reduce the possibility that someone will get seriously sick and have to go to the hospital (and perhaps die).

    All? What do you want – that and cream doughnuts?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
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  14. dearieme says:
    @Peter Lund

    AstraZeneca is not fulfilling its contract with the EU.

    According to AZ it is fulfilling its contract with the EU. Not that it matters much since Micron, Merkel and a cast of hundreds have ensured that tracts of the EU population are scared of the AZ vaccine anyway.

    People seem to have already forgotten that the EU’s use of stormtrooper tactics started with Pfizer – presumably it backed down at the behest of the US government. So it then switched its attention to AZ. The EU’s bullying behaviour is beneath contempt.

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  15. Great review of the situation. A few nits:

    In an attempt to raise all these rows to a war footing, the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, is threatening to use an emergency clause in their constitution to justify embargoing the export of vaccines, which might result in AstraZeneca having to break its prior contract with the UK in order to fulfil a later contract with the EU. This is a mystifying plan of action, since the European factories don’t produce this vaccine, and 90% of it comes from England, and the last 10% from India.

    I’ve read that as part of the EU’s three months of negotiations that squeezed at least a USD out of each Oxford dose, they insisted on AZ setting up four locations in the EU to manufacture it. One plant in the Netherlands wasn’t able to obtain a license to manufacture, although that may have changed by now. And I assume the doses for Australia that Italy embargoed were made in Italy, otherwise that action makes no sense. Being three months behind the manufacturing curve you describe well means these EU plants have much lower productivity than the U.K. ones.

    One other note: AZ has arrangements with I think it was two locations in the US, Operation Warp Speed’s (OWS) biggest investments by number of doses is AZ/Oxford, but one of those is Emergent BioSolutions (EBS) in Baltimore, Maryland, a company who’s core competency is politics, not production. So much so that when the FDA approved the one jab version of Janseen (J&J) jab they did not include that factory, only one in the Netherlands, which ships bulk vaccine to Grand Rapids, Michigan USA for fill and finish (and now that it’s gotten European Medicines Agency conditional marketing approval, how long will that be allowed??). This may have something to do with Merck, which never tried very hard to make a COVID-19 vaccine, agreeing to make a lot of Janssen jabs.

    For the foreseeable future I consider it unwise to take any vaccine made by EBS, and they have also have a contract to make the Novavax protein plus adjutant one, which passed its U.K. trial but not yet the US one. Of course the fact that this US vaccine was first Phase III tried from a U.K. base is another part of your characteristically British version of OWS. “Base” because this trial for example included 4,400 subjects in South Africa, so we know its current formulation is not bad with that nation’s P.1 variant

    The French seem to be particularly peeved because their own vaccine, put together by the Pasteur Institute and Sanofi, flopped, leading to lots of morose soul-searching.

    Sanofi/GSK is testing a V2.0 about now that might be ready by the end of the year, but everyone expected V1.0 to work, and its failure blew a big hole in the EU’s plants. Note the U.K. made a bet on a French company no one had heard of before….

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  16. @Luisman

    Instead of lab animals, the vaccines are now tested on humans en masse.

    I wonder why this lie has become such a big thing with the anti-vaxxers. Of course these vaccines have been tested with animals. The not even a grain of truth origin of the lie seems to be from BioNTech and Moderna being so confident in their vaccine candidates, due to prior experience with there platforms, and all the work that had been put into making safe an effective SARS type coronavirus vaccines, they started their animal trials at the same time as their human Phase I trials. A gamble which paid off fantastically.

    You’re also sorely mistaken about “why it takes 7 to 10 years until a new vaccine is approved for general use.” Most of that time is spent writing grant proposals, waiting for new grants, the time it takes for a Big Pharma partner to decide to try it for real in a very expensive Phase III and perhaps earlier trial, the latter not starting production until after full regulatory approval vs. an emergency one, etc. etc.

    The anti-vaxxers seem to be completely oblivious to the real consequences of this being an emergency, and thus outside of the EU business as usual is not acceptable. So smart companies and governments have been doing things Manhattan Project style, lots of parallel efforts, lots of money spent on the possibility a vaccine candidate will work before that’s known, etc. The US more than a billion offered to Sanofi/GSK bet that hasn’t worked out so far is a lot better than the EU “Oops, we had no idea this was an emergency” approach to the situation.

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  17. @meamjojo

    The vast majority of people taking the vaccines seem to believe that doing so will confer immunity from Covid upon them, which isn’t true. All the vaccine does is reduce the possibility that someone will get seriously sick and have to go to the hospital (and perhaps die).

    So why isn’t this point being explored in the MSM?

    Because it’s a complete and total lie? Even Janssen (J&J) with it’s very different goals has not getting symptomatic COVID-19 as a secondary Phase III trial endpoint. It’s “co-primary” one is indeed preventing moderate as well as severe disease. That’s because its goal is to get the very most effective possible single jab into as many people as possible ASAP, a billion in 2021, now as many as three billion.

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  18. botazefa says:
    @Luisman

    Instead of lab animals, the vaccines are now tested on humans en masse. As long as this is volountary, fine with me. It is an IQ test, as well as it may be an eugenic measure.

    Great point! We don’t know the long term effect of billions of people undergoing prophylactic gene therapy for SARS2.

    It could be that we end up with a situation where the globally administered mRNA gene therapies enable more SARS-Cov-2 mutations. We could end up with more deadly and infectious variants, thanks to human gene therapy volunteers incubating and shedding increasingly deadly virus without becoming sick themselves. That’s probably an unlikely scenario, but without the long term testing data how sure can the scientists be confident that it won’t happen?

    Without knowing the long term effects, not even from animal studies, how can people taking the jab realistically be categorized as volunteers? If the jab was marketed as a ‘gene therapy’ instead of a ‘vaccine’ how many volunteers would change their minds? If volunteers knew that animal trials had not been conducted, would they remain as eager? If they knew that the jab triggers their bodies to produce spike protein, which triggers their bodies to produce antibodies against spike proteins, would that give volunteers pause?

    The jab, voluntary now, seems very likely to become mandatory.

  19. @dearieme

    AstraZeneca is not fulfilling its contract with the EU.

    According to AZ it is fulfilling its contract with the EU.

    I’ve read it’s much worse than that. The EU released a heavily redacted copy of the contract, but botched the redaction so it’s known AZ of course only agreed to making a “best effort” to fulfill it. AZ not being insane like the EU, since the latter gratuitously handicapped it so much by insisting on paying as little as possible, setting up production in four locations in the EU, and of course delaying the latter three months compared to the U.K.

    The EU achieved its priorities back in 2020 by appointing a trade negotiator to hammer out lowest cost deals, taking their own sweet time on approval—the EU started their storm trooper tactics towards AZ before the Oxford vaccine was even approved by their non-proactive European Medicines Agency!!!—vs. for example the U.K. having a biotech VC make her own best effort guesses in where to spend plenty of money upfront. Or for something EU sized, no attempt at a Trump!!! style Operation Warp Speed (OWS).

  20. @Sabretache

    So, why on earth would I – or anyone else in his/her right mind – subject myself to an experimental mass-medication experiment to improve my survivial chances by a mere fraction of a percentage point?

    Because you’re inexplicably ignorant of the concept of morbidity??

    I can’t imagine that at the age of 79 you have no friends or acquaintances who survived heart attacks or strokes for example but were never the same afterwords, my father sure did by that age. The US NIH is dedicating more than a billion dollars into learning more about COVID-19 morbidity, but in the meanwhile, try a search on “long covid.”

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  21. @The Alarmist

    Good morning Mr. Alarmist, I hope this message finds you well…

    I think it’s a feature.

    It’s kind of interesting to watch this experiment unfold. After a year of inflated death and case counts now we have the opposite. Even with the blatant examples of death by poison needle the media and often the deceased’s own family members deny obvious reality. Here are a few examples of what I think are obvious adverse reactions resulting in death, and the reports denying it…

    Woman, 78, dies after receiving COVID-19 vaccine; no link suspected

    Man in 70s dies after NYC vaccination, not believed to be reaction

    Health care worker dies after second dose of COVID vaccine, investigations underway

    In the first two cases these people died in less than 45 minutes after receiving their vaxx and yet people are brazen enough to say there is no connection to the poison needle.

    I’m not surprised by the way the media reports these deaths, I would expect nothing different from them, but I am a little surprised at how these people’s family members deny obvious reality. This goes way beyond the Solomon Asch conformity experiment. It’s truly wild to me. These people must be true believers in the poison needle. To watch your wife of 57 years have complications within minutes and die within 45 minutes of the injection and not have your faith in the poison needle shaken is amazing to me. Maybe the guy was in shock when they interviewed him, or maybe the writer spun his words around.(?) In any case, it’s still interesting to me to see the power of denial on display.

    Unfortunately, these dirty vaxxers, instead of quarantining for a month, are spreading their disease around and causing the death and case counts to rise. The people masquerading as “government” will use the increased death and case counts to further advance their agenda and double down on the insanity. Like you say, we haven’t even begun to experience the longer-term effects from the poison needle experiment.

    Interesting times.

    I hope you have a great day Mr. Alarmist.

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    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
    , @Bert
  22. @botazefa

    It could be that we end up with a situation where the globally administered mRNA gene therapies enable more SARS-Cov-2 mutations. We could end up with more deadly and infectious variants, thanks to human gene therapy volunteers incubating and shedding increasingly deadly virus without becoming sick themselves. That’s probably an unlikely scenario, but without the long term testing data how sure can the scientists be confident that it won’t happen?

    You claim of and focus on “mRNA gene therapies” tells us you have no understanding of what’s really going on with them, or any other “active” vaccine. All of which, following the fundamental paradigm of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins are a means to the end of getting viral proteins produced in cells, which is the closest possible simulation of getting the real disease, and thus a full spectrum adaptive immune system response.

    You express a concern about these vaccines being “leaky,” which is of course possible prior to getting enough data to show otherwise, or the U.K. challenge trials moving on to vaccines … and we’re both assuming challenge trials weren’t done with animals…. But your concern about these vaccines being a special risk for mutations is misplaced, because viruses mutate all the time, the key to new variants or truly new strains that totally escape existing natural and vaccine immunity is an ecological concept known as selection pressure. An exception to that is the British variant which is simply even better at transmission, but as soon as enough people have immunity of either sort, any mutations which help get around that immunity will be favored, see the South African P.1 variant which is a partial escape.

    On the other hand, there’s absolutely no reason these variants will be more deadly, you might say that’s not in their remit, as Derek “Things I Won’t Work With” Lowe put it, “It’s not the job of a virus to make people deathly ill: it’s the job of a virus to make more virus.” More deadly tends to be correlated with making less viruses; here, dead people don’t breath out viruses…. In any event, this will happen sooner or later, vaccines or not.

    If the jab was marketed as a ‘gene therapy’ instead of a ‘vaccine’ how many volunteers would change their minds?

    That would run afoul of truth in advertising laws, since they are in fact vaccines, and their ancestor technology never modified DNA.

    All in all, your screed along with many others here and elsewhere represents a new and more sinister approach by the anti-vaxxers. Now that your more perfervid predictions of death and destruction have been falsified by, you know, tens of millions of people getting these vaccines including I’m pretty sure after some checking just now AZ/Oxford single doses in the U.K., you are resorting to the Big Lie technique. Weren’t tested on animals! (As if such a claim would ever be credible). Gene Therapy! Only prevents serious disease! (As if that wouldn’t still be very useful.) MUTANTS!!!

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  23. @brabantian

    Here is a helpful collage of screenshots of the many, many media stories about people dying or seriously hurt after being injected with coronavirus vaccines

    Stories which are increasingly pushed aside by the search engines, in favour of ‘the death wasn’t related’ vaccine propaganda

    You are commended for bringing data to the discussion. But correlated adverse events are just that, they require investigation to determine if they’re side effects or the random actuarial deaths that are guaranteed to happen when well over one hundred million people so far are involved. Anyone who says any particular case “wasn’t related” prior to investigation is indeed engaged in propaganda, but so are you by not considering the actuarial angle.

    And one inconvenient truth is that when you give any drug or biologic like these vaccines to that many people, some will be maimed or killed by it. This is a risk/benefit “game,” and if you refuse to accept there’s a benefit to getting these vaccines you’re again also guilty of spreading propaganda.

  24. botazefa says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    try a search on “long covid.”

    I did that, in duckduckgo. On the first page of results all I get are MSM or quasi MSM stories that are fairly vague. Faucci has mentioned it. Here’s a recent, typical story:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/21/world/reinfections-are-rare-some-covid-long-haulers-respond-to-vaccines-the-week-in-coronavirus-news.html

    I’m skeptical.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  25. @Adam Smith

    It’s kind of interesting to watch this experiment unfold. After a year of inflated death and case counts now we have the opposite.

    The direct, brazen double standard and self-contradiction really is extraordinary. Everything up to and including car accidents, lightning strikes and shootings now are “Covid” deaths, no matter how self-evidently absurd that is to the sane and honest, while there’s no such thing as an injection-induced death, no matter self-evident the causality.

    • Agree: Adam Smith, The Alarmist
    • Replies: @meamjojo
  26. @botazefa

    try a search on “long covid.”

    I did that, in duckduckgo. On the first page of results all I get are MSM or quasi MSM stories that are fairly vague.

    If just one page from a single search on a subpar search engine plus paying any attention to self-admitted liar Saint Fauci says is enough to falsify a claim, no wonder you’re spreading lies and propaganda, you’re pig ignorant and determined to stay that way.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  27. botazefa says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    you’re spreading lies and propaganda, you’re pig ignorant and determined to stay that way.

    Okay, upstanding model of civility and forbearance.

  28. Adrian says:

    “That would be telling” is thus far the most abusive contributor on this thread – now that is telling.

  29. meamjojo says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    We don’t know yet. We need to take a cohort of vaccinated people via the different vaccines and expose them directly to the virus, not wait for some to possibly encounter the virus in their day-to-day activities. Only then will we know the real capabilities of these vaccines.

    There is a test like this [still] being talked about in Britain. A “challenge” test. Was supposed to start last fall but has been delayed month after month.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/03/08/974903666/why-scientists-are-infecting-healthy-volunteers-with-the-coronavirus

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  30. meamjojo says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    but in the meanwhile, try a search on “long covid.”

    Some relatively small percentage of people, of course blown up by the MSM, claim to have so-called long Covid. But is what they might have a true after-effect of Covid infection or something created in the depths of their mind in reaction to having had the infection (and reading media fearmongering about long Covid)?

    People have all kinds of mental diseases that they create, which is why placebo’s work so well. And just recently I have read that some of these long Covid suffers have gained relief after getting a vaccine shot. How exactly would that work? Maybe the vaccine shot acts as a placebo for them? They think it will help, therefore it does?

    Be careful what you believe. It might come true.

  31. meamjojo says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    “Everything up to and including car accidents, lightning strikes and shootings now are “Covid” deaths, no matter how self-evidently absurd that is…”

    And the government is now offering to help pay for Covid funeral assistance, so even more reason for deaths to be counted as having been due to Covid!

    COVID-19 Funeral Assistance
    Last updated March 22, 2021
    https://www.fema.gov/disasters/coronavirus/economic/funeral-assistance

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  32. Is James Thompson just stupid or of ill will in writing this pro-covid narrative propaganda? I would argue he is of ill will, probably well paid for it. The whole essay is a straw man argument. Nobody should think the vaccine is bad because of a few blood clots. The vaccine is bad because:
    – It’s actually an experimental gene therapy, not a vaccine. The risks are therefore unknown and potentially much deeper and broader than just a rushed undertested ordinary vaccine.
    – Everywhere vaccination goes, increased illness rates go. It’s like an anti-vaccine. Vaccinated persons seem to be breeding more virulent strains. Or maybe it’s just the vaccines are directly dangerous.
    Of course, the interesting blood clot non-issue is an excellent distractor from the sad realities of this insanely irresponsible “vaccine” experiment.

  33. @meamjojo

    They say Human Challenge Trials would be unethical … meanwhile, they test the vaccines on pregnant women, and they plan to use them on children on down to below 2 y.o. They insist on vaccinating everybody; when they say “COVID Zero,” they seem to mean that nobody escapes their medical experimentation.

    Very few people have sufficient information to give informed consent, so this experimention is a crime against humanity.

    When I hear a leader say we can have our freedoms back as more and more of us are vaccinated, I think of the stories of Josef Mengele bringing sugar to his young test subjects, who, because of these kind gestures actually grew fond of him, but were nevertheless sent to their final destiny after his experimentation on them was done.

  34. @Flying Dutchman

    “Maybe they want to substitute the MRNA injections fir the AZ.”

    Bingo!

    P.S. Anyone notice how Mr. “That Would Be Telling” reflexively tags anyone who challenges the official narrative as a Troll?

    I wonder how much he’s getting paid.

    • Agree: Flying Dutchman
  35. @brabantian

    Stories which are increasingly pushed aside by the search engines, in favour of ‘the death wasn’t related’ vaccine propaganda…

    Propaganda indeed. Aggressive propaganda at that.

    The hilarious story of the Australian Federal Health Minister, Mr. Greg Hunt, on one day posing for the cameras as he received the Astrazeneca vaccine (promoted by the media as “The Gift of Life”), and the very next day being rushed to hospital in a critical condition – has strangely faded entirely from the mainstream media channels.

    But not before, again on the very same day that Health Minister Hunt was rushed to hospital, the government issued an emphatic assurance that Mr. Hunt’s condition was not related in any way to his vaccination.

    Nothing to see here folks, move along – and bend over for your injection of “The Gift of Life”.

  36. @Rahan

    The remaining majority of leaders, in order to be adequate, need constant access to honest specialists and advisers, combined with an innate instinct that allows them to quickly extrapolate and do what needs to be done right now.

    That sums up the situation rather concisely.

    Here in Australia, we appear to have neither.

    In the final sense, we’re all being set up as expendable bum-boys for the likes of creepy eugenicist billionaire Bill Gates and his Mini-Me Fauci.

    • Thanks: Rahan
  37. MarkU says:

    given that most national programs prioritize the elderly, there will be more and more people who will die shortly after being vaccinated for reasons of age alone. Some of those deaths will be of people who have rare diseases.

    It takes a very special type of selective blindness not to notice that the exact same logic can be applied to Covid-19 deaths. Given that the vast majority of people who die of Covid-19 are in the same age groups prioritised for vaccination I would have thought it a very obvious point.

    This is the criteria that was introduced in the UK on the 12th of august 2020 for counting Covid-19 deaths……

    Public Health England has changed its definition of deaths. The new definition is now death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and died within (equal to or less than) 28 days of the first positive specimen date will now be reported.

    Note that symptoms are not required at any point, merely a positive test. It seems entirely reasonable to apply the same criteria to deaths which occur after ‘vaccination’.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  38. @dearieme

    All? What do you want – that and cream doughnuts?

    Hey, I still have traumatic stress from the time I donated blood and the bastards didn’t even offer me tea and cookies.

    However, Mr. dearime does have a valid point, inasmuch as most people make the assumption that a vaccine will stop one from getting infected, and that thereby automatically means that one being uninfected will not be spreading Corona Chan to all and sundry.

    Off the top of my head, I can’t speak to the Russian and Chinese products, but for all of the Western sourced Corona Chan “vaccines”, neither of these assumptions is true – although the agencies vested in the wide distribution of these products are very likely more than happy for people to make these false assumptions if that will make them more willing to be injected.

    These considerations amount to much more than just cursory value judgements. Even here on Unz.com, Mr. Gilad Atzmon has done a series of exposes of the disastrous unfolding situation in Israel, which suggests that the Pfizer “vaccine” has spawned legions of symptomless Corona Chan superspreaders. They don’t show symptoms, but they can still catch Corona Chan, and boy can they spread it!

    Casting all of that aside, the Godzilla-sized elephant in the room is why we are being railroaded into being injected with these experimental concoctions at all, when there are myriad cheap, safe, readily available and highly effective medicinal and nutritional measures which cure Corona Chan in 24 to 48 hours???

    Of course, all those treatments WERE readily available, until Western governments across the globe in virtual unison took the step of banning the use of any such treatment for Corona Chan, while simultaneously decreeing that “vaccines are our only hope”.

    To be sure, there’s a maelstrom of often conflicting data out there that most of us poor lemming are ill-equipped to filter and digest, but at the end of the day as the sun is setting – I smell a rat.

  39. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Here we go, another little academic exercise. Now we are to plot numbers for all conceivable adverse effects, including long term effects for which there are no numbers yet, but that’s OK, it’s a heuristic! Just pull some data out your ass. Start out subjective – it’s Bayesian!

    And that stupid old precautionary principle, you don’t need that, for a novel technology in perpetual development that never worked on anything, until now – maybe because we didn’t test it in a panic and industry ratfucked all the alternatives with rigged studies, but who cares, Right?

    The industry in question just got finished cutting the US lifespan with a new and improved hyperaddictive opium trade. The suppliers are felons on a historic scale. All were spared prison by institutionalized corruption. And Thompson is lecturing us about probability. Giving us arithmetic problems. This is so hopelessly autistic, it’s like you been mainlining thimerosal/aluminum speedballs.

  40. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adrian

    He seems to have assigned himself the role of policing this website for those who stray from the official covid narrative. Spends an awful lot of time and effort pushing the approved government/media line. Wonder what his credentials are? Or perhaps this is his job as many people are employed by various interests to cruise the internet to plant their PR everywhere.

  41. Adrian says:

    The suggestion that only scientific illiterates harbor suspicions about this particular vaccine is of course utterly baseless. I would like to remind the gent who came up with this that the first people to petition the EMA with the request to suspend the dispensing of it were Dr. Mike Yeadon and Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg. Dr.Yeadon is an erstwhile Vice President of Pfizer who was in charge of its research department on respiratory diseases. Dr.Wodarg had a long and distinguished career as a public health official. In 2009/10 he led the European Council’s inquiry into the misadventure with the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine against the swine flu.

    MillIons of people were then vaccinated, quite unnecessarily in his view – an exercise which led to a multi billion dollar bonanza for Big Pharma and at least 1200 confirmed cases of narcolepsy, a quite debilitating disease that makes any form of regular occupation impossible for those who suffer from it. GlaxoSmithKline had the decency to acknowledge the link (after it had made its pile of course) quite unlike the present crowd that disavowed any responsibility in advance. It has meanwhile been established that this narcolepsy was a form of autoimmune reaction against that vaccine.

    Dr.Wodarg disputes the view that in the present (manufactured) crisis we are dealing with a new and deadly virus. It is just another variant of the Sars virus that has been with us from time immemorial. He also holds that without the test, and all the hullabaloo around it, there wouldn’t have been a crisis.

    Drs.Yeadon and Wodarg are not alone in their views.They are shared by a very large crowd of people who are qualified to judge. The concerted efforts of the corporate media, and its bogus fact checkers, to exclude them from the public discourse about this have not completely silenced them.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  42. Luisman says: • Website

    @That would be telling
    I’m getting tired of people who call everyone an anti-vaxxer, because they don’t agree with the current narrative. Please remember that most of us have grown up in first world countries and have been vaccinated with safe vaccines from the age of 1 to 18…20 and every 10 years after. And ‘safe’ means 1 in 10.000 will still have to deal with complications from these safe vaccines. And we have accepted these vaccines, because getting ill with these deseases means death or very serious health issues for a large percentage of the infected (not 0.03%, but 1 to 10% and more).

    You ignore as well thousands or ten thousands of scientists and experienced doctors who will tell everyone that money doesn’t buy time in the rightly called “LONG TERM” studies. Less than one year is not a long term study. Maybe it is in rabbits, definitely not in humans.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  43. @meamjojo

    And the government is now offering to help pay for Covid funeral assistance, so even more reason for deaths to be counted as having been due to Covid!

    Hadn’t heard about that one. Another for the list of carrots and sticks reinforcing history’s greatest medical fraud, this deliberate hyperinflation of the number of “Covid cases” and “deaths”.

    I always knew the real number was vastly less than the official count. By now I’m more and more inclined to think the real number is zero.

  44. @Sparkylyle92

    Of course, the interesting blood clot non-issue is an excellent distractor from the sad realities of this insanely irresponsible “vaccine” experiment.

    Deadly blood clots aren’t a non-issue but one of the many already manifest harms of this completely unnecessary and evil injection campaign.

    It is, however, a “normal” kind of collateral harm, and is perhaps being emphasized by a faction of the system as (1) misdirection from the radical, abnormal, not at all collateral but fully premeditated gene alteration effect of the MRNA injections, an effect which promises vastly worse health destruction, (2) misdirection from the radical way that the injections themselves are driving the mutation of the alleged Covid “variants”, if these exist at all, and (3) by focusing attention on a more conventional blowback harm from the more conventional AZ agent as a smokescreen for the MRNA agents, they set up the situation for a switch from the harmful AZ injection to the vastly more deadly MRNA injections.

  45. @MarkU

    given that most national programs prioritize the elderly, there will be more and more people who will die shortly after being vaccinated for reasons of age alone. Some of those deaths will be of people who have rare diseases.

    It takes a very special type of selective blindness not to notice that the exact same logic can be applied to Covid-19 deaths. Given that the vast majority of people who die of Covid-19 are in the same age groups prioritised for vaccination I would have thought it a very obvious point.

    This is the criteria that was introduced in the UK on the 12th of august 2020 for counting Covid-19 deaths…symptoms are not required at any point, merely a positive test. It seems entirely reasonable to apply the same criteria to deaths which occur after ‘vaccination’.

    If it’s good for the goose it’s good for the gander.

  46. Bert says:
    @Adam Smith

    In the first two cases these people died in less than 45 minutes after receiving their vaxx and yet people are brazen enough to say there is no connection to the poison needle.

    You clearly don’t appreciate the implications of Poisson-distributed events. If you cannot apply the description below to deaths of elderly human beings after taking a bath, grocery shopping, or getting a vaccination, then you are not thinking deeply enough to be taken seriously.

    In probability theory and statistics, the Poisson distribution (/ˈpwɑːsɒn/; French pronunciation: ​[pwasɔ̃]), named after French mathematician Siméon Denis Poisson, is a discrete probability distribution that expresses the probability of a given number of events occurring in a fixed interval of time or space if these events occur with a known constant mean rate and independently of the time since the last event.[1] The Poisson distribution can also be used for the number of events in other specified intervals such as distance, area or volume.

    For instance, a call center receives an average of 180 calls per hour, 24 hours a day. The calls are independent; receiving one does not change the probability of when the next one will arrive. The number of calls received during any minute has a Poisson probability distribution: the most likely numbers are 2 and 3 but 1 and 4 are also likely and there is a small probability of it being as low as zero and a very small probability it could be 10.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  47. Bert says:
    @Adrian

    Dr.Wodarg disputes the view that in the present (manufactured) crisis we are dealing with a new and deadly virus.

    The crisis was manufactured in a number of ways. The most essential was to have family practitioners and emergency department physicians deny early treatment with repurposed drugs. Since SARS-2 appeared, dentists and ophthalmologists, the most up-close-and-personal of all health care providers, routinely use iodine gargle and nasal sprays for themselves and patients prior to contact, yet this readily available virus-killing protocol has never been promulgated more widely. Ditto several other prophylactic and early treatment protocols.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  48. @botazefa

    We could end up with more deadly and infectious variants, thanks to human gene therapy volunteers incubating and shedding increasingly deadly virus without becoming sick themselves.

    A very astute and intelligent observation.

    The characteristics of these experimental “vaccines” seem ideally suited to precisely that outcome, ie…

    1. They don’t stop the recipient from catching Corona Chan.
    2. They don’t stop the recipient from spreading Corona Chan.
    3. They have only been tested to verify a reduction in Corona Chan symptoms.

    Alert readers of Unz.com might already be aware of the disastrous situation unfolding in Israel (and in other high-vaccination locales) as reported by Mr. Gilad Atzmon and others, whereby the mRNA vaccines appear to be associated with the rise of hordes of “superspreaders” and a corresponding massive spike in confirmed Corona Chan cases.

    One doesn’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to link cause and effect here.

    Not that we’ll get any clarity, admissions or accountability from the morally bankrupt vested interests pushing these “vaccines” to save us from this global scamdemic. That would be telling.

    • Agree: Flying Dutchman
    • Thanks: botazefa
  49. @Luisman

    I’m getting tired of people who call everyone an anti-vaxxer, because they don’t agree with the current narrative.

    Dude, don’t let them wear you down. You’ll see just in this forum that the “Troll” tag is being used by certain officially sanctioned narrative nazis with gay abandon.

    IMO this isn’t even a vaccination issue, because the principal Western Corona Chan “vaccines” aren’t vaccines at all – they are experimental gene therapies being injected into unwitting subjects under false pretenses and with currently unknown long-term consequences.

    Another reason that it isn’t a genuine vaccination issue is simply that vaccines are not required at all – quite a few cheap and effective medicinal and nutritional remedies for Corona Chan already exist, but have been deliberately blocked by Western governments.

    Tens of thousands of scientists and doctors around the globe know these things, but are being silenced by media, governments and medical officialdom. So whatever this is, IMO it’s not a vaccination issue, it’s something far more sinister.

  50. @Sparkylyle92

    “It’s actually an experimental gene therapy, not a vaccine. “

    only the MRNA ones I presume, Pfizer and Moderna.

    https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253

    I tend to trust Israeli media more because

    a) Israeli elites don’t actually hate their own people – not the Jewish ones anyway
    b) debate seems to be more free/less gatekeeping/more diversity of opinion.

    If there’s a problem with the vaccine Israel have jumped in feet first, followed by the UK. Most UK medical staff, predominantly female, have had the Pfizer jab. Be a pity to damage all our bright young doctors and nurses.

    I’m more immediately concerned about the UK decision to leave a 12 week gap between Pfizer jabs, which seems to be killing vaccinated patients.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-56366575

    “Nine residents have died following a “devastating” outbreak of coronavirus at a care home.

    Brandon House in Exmouth, Devon, had been free of Covid for 11 months prior to residents getting ill in February.

    Diane Loxam, a training coordinator, said nine residents at the dementia specialist care home had died and two were “quite poorly”.

    “It’s just awful, no words can express how we’re all feeling at the moment,” she said.

    All residents at the home received their first dose of the vaccine in January.”

    Pfizer recommend 21 days between jabs and the British Medical Association agree with them.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  51. @Adrian

    The suggestion that only scientific illiterates harbor suspicions about this particular vaccine is of course utterly baseless. I would like to remind the gent who came up with this that the first people to petition the EMA with the request to suspend the dispensing of it were Dr. Mike Yeadon and Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg….

    I would score them as “scientific illiterates” on the topic of spike protein vaccines which they at the last minute of December 1st urged the EU’s European Medicines Agency (EMA) to halt the testing of because their first two claims could be described as “illiterate.”

    One was about the danger of antibody-dependent enhancement which had already been accounted for by SARS type coronavirus vaccine researchers before COVID-19 started roaming the earth, and which would have already resulted in disaster in the two mRNA Phase III trials which had already progressed to the point of making FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) applications, November 20th and 30th, Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna respectively.

    The second postulated a danger to female fertility based on a part of the spike protein without explaining why immunity from a vaccine using the spike protein would be worse than natural immunity from getting an uncontrolled infection with the disease.

    Given its timing I interpret their letter as a virtue signalling hedge, if any of their concerns turned out to be correct they’d gain status, and if not they’d not be overly harmed.

    • Replies: @Adrian
  52. BuelahMan says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    I turn 60 this year. It took decades, but I am of the learned opinion that they LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!

    There is nothing that can be trusted from these liars.

    • Agree: Flying Dutchman
  53. @YetAnotherAnon

    That Jerusalem Post article is at least sane, but was also written by “scientifically illiterate” journalists who didn’t know “active” vaccines like the mRNA ones are at least as “traditional” as protein ones, seeing as how you can’t get more traditional than Edward Jenner. They didn’t spell out, probably didn’t realize attenuated virus vaccines like Jenner’s (sort of) and the others they mentioned are means to the end of getting mRNA to produce viral proteins inside of cells, just like the mRNA vaccines, but they did provide enough info for an astute reader to figure that out. As far as I know all the viral vector vaccines are new technology, no one’s brought up any of them being used for real vaccination campaigns before COVID-19. Janssen’s platform had the virtue of passing an European Phase III trial for Ebola but hadn’t been tested for real, whereas Oxford’s platform had an eight year history of failures to get past Phase I trials….

    The BBC article you point us at doesn’t tell us which vaccine those nursing home residents got their first dose of. The dates mentioned of “January” and “February” it and other articles I found are so vague we don’t know if a vaccine dosing interval was violated, or even if any of the patients should have received some immunity from a first dose, the minimum it takes is a bit more than a week.

    That said, as previously extensively discussed here, the U.K. is engaging in its own experiment of getting one jab into everyone they can ASAP, which might result in an overall worse outcome for its populations (my guess is it won’t), and we should expect it will change the distribution of deaths.

    Thinking about it some more, the most at risk are probably the most elderly and sickest like these nursing home patients, overall we’d expect them to most need the better immunity they might get from the second booster dose. Giving would would have been their second jabs to less vulnerable people … again I’m glad I don’t have to make these decisions, there are no right, no obviously correct answers, anything you do will result in more deaths in one sub-population or another.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  54. @Bert

    Good morning Bert,

    Clearly, your faith in the poison needle remains strong…

    Kassidi Lyn Kurill Born November 18, 1981, passed away on February 5, 2021, from apparent complications due to the 2nd Covid-19 vaccination.

    She was Emilia’s loving mother and is also survived by her loving family.

    I agree with you and I do appreciate the implications of Poisson-distributed events. Elderly people die, sometimes after taking a bath, while grocery shopping or immediately following an experimental injection. There is nothing unusual about that. However, in the cases I mentioned the law of parsimony makes more sense as the simplest explanation is usually the right one. My faith in my own eyes and intuition remains stronger than my faith in the regime and it’s media, the pharmaceutical industry and especially the poison needle.

    I hope you have a good day Bert.

  55. @Flying Dutchman

    Good morning Mr. Dutchman…

    1. Never believe proven liars…

    2. Nothing is worse than totalitarianism and a police state based on terror, snitching and violence…

    “This very unanimity, and the instantaneous consensus the moment the WHO shrieked “pandemic!” based on a sudden radical change in its definition of that term, are the best proof that the whole thing is a premeditated, prearranged monumental scam.”

    The unanimity and top down authoritarian response on a global scale is good proof to me. The hardcore censorship of even the mildest forms of dissent also point to this being a scam perpetuated by some very powerful people. Remember the nurse who was fired and likely rendered unemployable in her field because she tweeted that she didn’t believe in the face diaper? And the thousands of other examples of the state and/or the frenzied mob terrorizing people because they failed to obey. It’s been a wild year. I’m glad I get to watch from a safe distance and vantage point though I’d much prefer if none of this ever happened. I want old normal back.

    It’s amazing how they manufactured a global crisis to advance their evil agenda.

    Thanks for the great comment.

  56. @That Would Be Telling

    Your screeds along with many others here and elsewhere represent a new and more sinister approach by the pro-vaxxers. The pro-vaxxers are using state sponsored terrorism to achieve compliance with their vaxx-everyone-whether-they-like-it-or-not agenda. Non-vaxxers just want to be left alone.

    Vaxxers are spreading disease and making our world more dangerous.
    Please quarantine yourself for about a month after each poison needling.
    Please stop spreading disease. Please be considerate of others.

  57. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Bought-and-paid-for drug shill That Would be Telling is getting very jumpy. You can see his pitstains spreading. Sniff, sniff, Mmmm, apocrine sweat! His Big Pharma handlers are clearly dissatisfied with his hasbara as more people judge risk and benefit for themselves based on their fitness for vaccination. They’re afraid they’re not going to be able to constrain and coerce everybody into this mass medical experiment in breach of Nuremberg Code Article 1.

    That-Would trots out the Big Lie Nazi MOAB and it fizzles, fssspfft!. Poor lame fuck. With hilariously pathetic pure-and-natural bulshit he evokes Jenner, who invented CRISPR, I think, which has been successfully used for decades to make CIA germ warfare agents. He says SARS vax has no adverse effects, like you would ever hear about them from Big Pharma, which just got finished reducing the national fucking lifespan with a new and improved hyperaddictive opium trade, and peddling off-label snake oil in a felony of unprecedented scale, and ratfucking alternative HCL with fraudulent studies.

    If the tobacco industry could force you to smoke, they would be Big Pharma. That is what these crooked fuckers are. They will not stop until we lock them up for corruption and research fraud. Qui tam lawyers are drooling because the real litigation bonanza here is false claims of unprecedented gravity to get a fraudulent EUA.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  58. @MarkU

    It takes a very special type of selective blindness not to notice that the exact same logic can be applied to Covid-19 deaths.

    A very special sort of selective blindness indeed.

    Note that symptoms are not required at any point, merely a positive test. It seems entirely reasonable to apply the same criteria to deaths which occur after ‘vaccination’.

    Seems reasonable to me too. Anyone who dies within 28 days (their number, not mine) of a poison needling should be classified as a death by injection, unless of course when they die from a car crash, skydiving gone wrong, complications from a gunshot wound or some other such thing. It will be a tough sell though, some people won’t even admit to death by poison needle when the recipient dies within the hour following the injection.

    Unfortunately, “reasonable” is in short supply amongst the pro-authoritarian, pro-hysteria, pro-facediaper, pro-vaxx-everyone-whether-they-like-it-or-not, pro-lockdown side of this schism.

    Hypocrisy and irrationality, on the other hand, can be found in abundance…

  59. @Flying Dutchman

    Deadly blood clots aren’t a non-issue but …… they set up the situation for a switch from the harmful AZ injection to the vastly more deadly MRNA injections.

    IMO this is a plausible thesis, but if correct, it may backfire badly in Europe, as (for example) Norway appears to be considering a switch from the Astrazeneca to the Russian Sputnik V vaccine (smart move).

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/202103231082423556-after-four-deaths-norwegian-experts-believe-astrazenecas-vaccine-may-be-stopped-for-good/

    Of interest, note that Norway is apparently experiencing a surge in the alleged “British variant” of Corona Chan. Funny how every place that has a big Corona Chan vaccine rollout subsequently gets overrun by the “British variant” – most notably Britain (of course) followed by every other high-innoculation-rate country, with a particularly bad outbreak in the global vaccination champion, Israel.

    Just saying. When all the dots are there…

  60. @anon

    They will not stop until we lock them up for corruption and research fraud.

    I think you’re being way too lenient.

    IMO the scale and premeditated evil of this Corona Chan charade warrants a response comparable to the Nuremburg trials, with equally severe penalties.

    There are throngs of co-conspirators involved both directly and opportunistically to derive benefit from this lunacy, entrenched in politics, the media and the medical industry, in the many tens of thousands all around the planet.

    IMO the one individual that stands out as having singular responsibility for this global genocidal conspiracy is that creepy billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates. Given the enormity of human suffering and deaths directly traceable to this man’s insatiable quest for power and profit, it genuinely puzzles me how in a planet of 7 or 8 billion individuals with eyes to see, this man is somehow still alive.

    Many childrens’ bedtime stories have heroes and villains engaged in existential conflict, but most have a happy ending. Hopefully this Corona Chan adventure will too, with an appropriate end for the villains of the piece.

  61. Proper fractions are indeed more intuitive than decimals and percentages.

  62. Luisman says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I have thought about what we’ll call COVID-19 in 10 years. It’s not COVID-31, but “the common cold”.

    And I agree. If the vast majority of people infected don’t even know they have been, and serious health problems incl. death are limited to the very old and very very unhealthy (who could potentially die from a paper cut), vaccines don’t make any sense. The focus should have been to test out a cure, from the very beginning. What puzzles me is, that a number of cures are alrady available and quite efficient, but are suppressed by governments and health organizations. Accounting for how much these organizations push for vaccines, and at the same time restrict approval of already available medicines, automatically leads to conspiracy theories.

  63. anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Indeed, Ultrafart, this is a Nuremberg-scale crime against humanity by Big Pharma – but maybe the trial should be held at Khabarovsk, where Russia had the germ warfare trials.

    And Gates is an incomparably repellent parasite, to be sure, the perfect Mengele to front for this tour de force of germ warfare and quack medicine. But CIA has traditionally used rich guys to spend CIA money, to hide Langley’s involvement.

  64. MarkU says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    They didn’t spell out, probably didn’t realize attenuated virus vaccines like Jenner’s (sort of) and the others they mentioned are means to the end of getting mRNA to produce viral proteins inside of cells, just like the mRNA vaccines

    Now that is a very curious statement, I have never heard that one before and I can see no reason why stimulating the manufacture of viral proteins inside cells would be necessary to the development of an immune response. If that statement is true (and I doubt it very much) it would obviously apply to immune responses in general and not just traditional vaccination techniques.

    I would be much obliged if you could kindly supply a link to back up that assertion.

    • Replies: @Stephane
    , @Flying Dutchman
  65. Lem says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    > Maybe they want to substitute the MRNA injections fir the AZ

    When the first waves of AstraZeneca panic hit the media, I was puzzled. There was a clear policy to downplay death and severe side effects from Pfizer’s shot, the contrast was stark. AZ is a British-Swedish company, it stands to reason that part of the reason is punishment for Britain’s Brexit and Sweden’s failure to lockdown.

    Great post btw, Flying Dutchman.

  66. Stephane says:
    @MarkU

    https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/sputnik-v-vaccine

    Sputnik use a virus vector to introduce an incomplete viral ADN in cells. This ADN is then translated to ARN that is itself translated into proteins that are then released in the body. The J&J and AstraZeneca are similar.

    The way I understand it, since the vector adenovirus only carries ADN coding for a SARS-COV-2 specific protein and not for the adenovirus itself, it is unable to multiply in the body.

    This is similar to Pfizer/Moderna in the sense that all these vaccines relies on introducing genetic material in a person’s cells (DNA versus mRNA) that is then read by the cellular machinery and produce viral proteins that are then released in the body to be targeted by the immune system. This genetic material is not eternal, and after a time the cells will stop producing the proteins.

    This in contrast to “inactivated viruses” (Sinovac for exemple) or “pure proteins” (Novavax if I’m not mistaken) vaccines that directly injects the targets for your immune system and don’t rely on making some of the cells of your body produce them.

    See also :
    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

    https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/

  67. @MarkU

    the others they mentioned are means to the end of getting mRNA to produce viral proteins inside of cells, just like the mRNA vaccines

    Now that is a very curious statement, I have never heard that one before and I can see no reason why stimulating the manufacture of viral proteins inside cells would be necessary to the development of an immune response.

    He means it in the most banal literal sense that conventional vaccines stimulate immune cells to produce antibodies and that those cells use their regular MRNA processes to do so.

    It’s like the way trolls like him will call water “dihydrogen oxide” and say that too much of it is toxic, in an attempted parody of those who oppose carcinogenic industrial poisons.

    • Replies: @Stephane
  68. Stephane says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    I think you misunderstood him.

    Vaccines can be broken down in two broad categories :
    – those that directly introduce in your body something to be targeted by the immune system (like Sinovac or Novavax), for exemple a disabled virus or directly isolated proteins
    – those that make cells in your body produce the targets, like the historical voluntary cowpox infection protecting against smallpox that gave the name “vaccine” (Pfizer, Sputnik, J&J), and all of these ends in mRNA beinf translated into proteins allong the path from injection to proteins detectede and targeted by the immune system but different means to reach that end.

  69. Adrian says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I am pleased to see that you have softened your abrasive style of arguing somewhat but I can’t help noticing that even in this letter you resort to the “argumentum ad hominem” by insinuating that Yeadon and Wodarg were merely virtue signalling in petitioning the EMA. How such a frivolous wish could induce two elderly gentlemen, all set to enjoy their “otium cum dignitate”, to expose themselves to a shitstorm from the usual suspects is beyond me but we will let that rest.

    
You wrote regarding their petition to EMA:

    I would score them as “scientific illiterates” … because their first two claims could be described as “illiterate.”
    One was about the danger of antibody-dependent enhancement which had already been accounted for by SARS type coronavirus vaccine researchers before COVID-19 started roaming the earth, and which would have already resulted in disaster in the two mRNA Phase III trials which had already progressed to the point of making FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) applications …The second postulated a danger to female fertility based on a part of the spike protein without explaining why immunity from a vaccine using the spike protein would be worse than natural immunity from getting an uncontrolled infection with the disease.

    You do not refer here to a third point they came up with in this petition, namely that the alleged pandemic is largely an artefact of the method of testing used. More of that below.

    Let us first look at the danger of Antibodies Dependent Enhancement (ADE) which the use of the vaccine might entail, say Yeadon and Wodarg.

    According to you the vaccination researchers already dealt with that and that they were sucessful was allegedly clear from their clinical trials . In order to buttress that claim you referred to an article about 2P-mutation which, I understand, is mainly a “trick” to enhance the effectiveness of the vaccine. However hard I looked I could not find anything there about the ADE risk and its possible mitigation

    This article refers to another one about the use of a vaccine with a set of monkeys. Apparently it was rather effective. But the authors state explicitly:

    Although our data are restricted to DNA vaccines, our findings may be generalizable to other gene-based vaccines as well, including RNA vaccines and recombinant vector-based vaccines. Additional research should also evaluate vaccine immunogenicity and protective efficacy in older animals. Future studies should also address the question of enhanced respiratory disease, which may result from antibody-dependent enhancement.

    (my emphasis A)

    So there is no reassuring statement about the risk of ADE here either and in fact the study did not even concern RNA vaccines.

    In quite a recent study (2/24/21) in Frontiers in Immunology there is a section with the subheading
    “Vaccine Risks for Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE)”

    Apparently the author of it (an academic from MIT) is unaware “that this risk had … already been accounted for by SARS type coronavirus vaccine researchers” as you have it.

    He came up with:

    the prediction that new attempts to create either SARS-CoV-1 vaccines, MERS-CoV vaccines (81), or SARS-CoV-2 vaccines have potentially higher risks for inducing ADE in humans facilitated by antibody infection of phagocytic immune cells.

    Though the wording is unclear he might refer here to a specific type of humans.. But whatever is the case there is no reassurance here about that ADE risk.

    Let us now turn to the matter of female infertility. Yeadon and Wodarg wrote in their petition among other things:

    There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies. However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile

    .

    This sounds rather hypothetical to me. You ascfribe a far more positive statement to them:

    they postulated a danger to female fertility based on a part of the spike protein without explaining why immunity from a vaccine using the spike protein would be worse than natural immunity from getting an uncontrolled infection with the disease.

    Moreover their comparison is not between a vaccinated person and already infected one, as you seem to assume, but between a vaccinated one and an uninfected one.

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists
    states categorically :

    Unfounded claims linking COVID-19 vaccines to infertility have been scientifically disproven. ACOG recommends vaccination for all eligible people who may consider future pregnancy.

    I hope they have informed Yeadon and Wodarg.

    Now the third point on which you did not touch. Their view that the pandemic is largely an artefact of the testing method. Yeadon stuck to this view even when he was assailed with statements about the alleged “second wave”. Here is part of his summarising statement dating from late last year:

    In brief: the pandemic was over by June and herd immunity was the main force which turned the pandemic and pressed it into retreat. In the autumn, the claimed “cases” are an artefact of a deranged testing system. While there is some Covid-19 along the lines of the “secondary ripple” concept, it has occurred primarily in regions, cities and districts that were less hard hit in the spring. Real Covid-19 is self-limiting and may already have peaked in some Northern towns. It will not return in force, and the example again is London.

    In the petition they say more about this “deranged testing system”. Those who are curious can find it here:

    https://corona-transition.org/IMG/pdf/wodarg_yeadon_ema_petition_pfizer_trial_final_01dec2020_signed_with_exhibits_geschwa_rzt.pdfSo


    So I saw no trace of the “scientific illiterates” that you told us about. Instead I was pleased to encounter two highly experienced experts who don’t have to fear for their career in talking freely about what might turn out to be the “hoax of the century”.

    • Replies: @Adrian
  70. MarkU says:
    @Stephane

    If you read my post again you might notice that you are agreeing with me. The part that I was disagreeing with stated.

    They didn’t spell out, probably didn’t realize attenuated virus vaccines like Jenner’s (sort of) and the others they mentioned are means to the end of getting mRNA to produce viral proteins inside of cells, just like the mRNA vaccines

    Traditional vaccination methods (such as Jenner’s) use inactivated or attenuated viruses as targets for the immune system and don’t rely on making some of the cells of your body produce them. That is directly contrary to the statement that I was disagreeing with, is it not?

    • Replies: @Stephane
  71. Stephane says:
    @MarkU

    Inactivated viruses vaccines (like Sinovac) don’t multply, yes.

    But attenuated viruses vaccines reproduce in the body, thus make some of the cells produce the targets.

    In the case of what Jenner used – cowpox live virus – it was a different virus rather than an attenuated strain of smallpox, but there was an actual, if usually benign, infection, so yes, some of the cells in the body of the vaccinated peoples produced extra viruses in addition to what was introduced in the body.

  72. @Stephane

    You’ve got all the basics of these vaccines correct; I use “active” vs. “passive” to describe the two broad categories. To refine a few details:

    The way I understand it, since the vector adenovirus only carries ADN coding for a SARS-COV-2 specific protein and not for the adenovirus itself, it is unable to multiply in the body.

    Not sure about all of this, the adenovirus virus vectors are described as “replication deficient,” meaning they’re indeed gimped so the cells they hijack can’t make new viruses that can hijack additional cells, but I haven’t looked further into exactly what’s in them and not. Which also ties into the question of how you manufacture them.

    and produce viral proteins that are then released in the body to be targeted by the immune system.

    As far as I know, release of some of the viral proteins into the body is probably inevitable, will be the spike protein for the existing COVID-19 vaccines, but that’s not the main method of interaction with the immune system. Which has a system inside cells that presents bits of proteins called “epitopes” on their surface. The adaptive immune system then recognizes they’re alien and develops multiple responses to them, not just antibodies.

    From my recent readings, a or the T cell based response can limit the severity of disease even if the antibody mediated response fails, and the “passive” vaccines only get you antibody based responses. But I haven’t studied this in detail, it’s insanely complicated and various parts of the adaptive immune system are still not fully understood.

    This in contrast to “inactivated viruses” (Sinovac for exemple) or “pure proteins” (Novavax if I’m not mistaken) vaccines

    “Passive” protein, or we can call all of these “antigen” vaccines, may include an “adjuvant” that helps the vaccine get a better response from the immune system. Only one US passive flu vaccine does this, but Novavax, the failed in the first try Sanofi/GSK, and the second Russian COVID-19 vaccines include one. As does for example the TDaP booster shots we take so we don’t get lockjaw etc. For that vaccine “toxiods” are used as the antigens, they’re versions of the dangerous toxins the various bacteria produce that have been modified to not cause injury while still looking enough like the toxin to produce an antibody based immune system response.

    • Replies: @Stephane
  73. Stephane says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Honestly I don’t know how the proteins made in the cell from mRNA or ADN are detected by the immune system and trigger immunity.

    I thought they were released in the organism, but from what you say (and a quick Google search seems to confirm) I was probably wrong, thanks for the clarification.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  74. Adrian says:
    @Adrian

    The link to the Yeadon Wodarg petition I gave in my prevous letter doesn’t work. Hopefully this one is more effective:

    https://corona-transition.org/IMG/pdf/wodarg_yeadon_ema_petition_pfizer_trial_final_01dec2020_signed_with_exhibits_geschwa_rzt.pdf

    One of the points raised and elaborated on by petitioners was the considerable risk for Antibodies Dependent Enhancement that the administration of these not adequately trialled vaccines poses.
    The person who calls him/herself “That would be Telling” had the hide to refer to these
    distinguished petitioners as “scientific illiterates”. He claimed that the vaccine researchers had alreeady solved the problems with ADE and supported his statement by referring to a paper in a Journal with the title Chemical and Engineering News. I looked at it and at a paper that it refers to and found nothing to the purpose. On reporting this TWTB’s reaction was “troll”. Draw your own conclusion.

  75. @Ultrafart the Brave

    This being a right-wing website — would you consider calling them chekists?

  76. @Flying Dutchman

    Well put. And when you get labeled a “Troll” by “That Would Be Telling” (the Unz comments section’s resident vaccine shill), you know you’ve made a good point.

  77. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    All of it is simply a “Brexit payback” propaganda, nothing more. Truth is, of all recombinant vaccines so far, the Oxford/AZ one is least efficacious. Still, it’s about 70% effective, and that maybe be good enough for UK short-term.

    Still, considering how many screw ups the AZ/Oxford have gone through in a year, I can’t stop wondering of having a little less woke leadership in both places would mean smarter leadership, fewer screw ups and more efficacious vaccine.

  78. The J & J and the AZ are more traditional and not as dangerous as Pfizer and Moderna. It seems our “leaders” insist on shooting us up with mRNA.

  79. COVID-19 FOLDER
    The Whole TRUTH about Covid-19 and Covid-19 Vaccines August 2020
    Document 0 Financial scam investigation organized by the New World Order in the false Covid-19 health crisis
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    Document 2 Publication of Frédéric Tangy F. and Hussein Y. Naim in VIRAL IMMUNOLOGY Volume 18, Number 2, 2005
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  80. @anon

    “(((We))) cause a problem and sell you the cure.”

    If this is a Jewish plot, someone forgot to tell the Israelis, who paid up for as much Pfizer as they could get their hands on and have more of their population fully jabbed than any other country.

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