The claim that 50% to 70% of the black-white difference is due to genetics is virtually the same as that concluded by Rushton and Jensen in 2005, when they did a review of 30 years of research on the topic.

The upper claim is probably at least 10% low. Black sub Saharan intelligence was considerably below White northwestern European levels long before Whites were involved there. Their lack of development is testimony to that.

people in the US know which racial groups they are in, and those social-construct descriptions match with their DNA.

Better the rapier than the bludgeon, eh, doc?

American Africans are 19% European, and when an AA marries a European their children are 80% European. I get 60%: where did I go wrong?

This is the standard approach taken in medical epidemiology.

Until recently that would have been praise.

Very interesting: once again, thank you, blogger.

African Americans average about 20% European but there is a lot of variability. The 80% European admixture in biracial blacks could indicate that blacks who marry whites tend to have significantly higher European ancestry on average.

Therefore, the average “biracial” black in the study may have a black parent with an average of 60% European ancestry, and 40% African ancestry.

It’s an interesting result. It indicates that whites tend to mate with blacks with a higher European admixture rate than the population average.

(I think there’s a small chance that that it’s a typo.)

It’s in the table too (0.796 European ancestry), doubt it is a typo.

That’s right. There is assortative mating for intelligence, social class etc., and since this is correlated with European ancestry among African Americans (blacks), the blacks who mate with Europeans (whites) will be more European on average. As far as I know, this expected finding has not been studied rigorously, but it could be done using some existing datasets. For instance, NLSY datasets contain data on race of spouse, so one can check whether the smarter blacks are more likely to have white (and Asian) spouses. Furthermore, there is a self-report measure of European ancestry in one of these datasets, and Add Health also has a skin color assessment. These should both predict having a non-black spouse.

Meta-analysis of genetic ancestry and social status across American countries
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315818167_Biogeographic_Ancestry_and_Socioeconomic_Outcomes_in_the_Americas_A_Meta-Analysis

American Africans are 19% European, and when an AA marries a European their children are 80% European.

Shouldn’t that be ~60%?

Thanks, chaps: sounds plausible to me.

On a pedantic note: if American blacks are (on average) 20% European surely they should be called called “bi-racial”?

Anyway, it seems entirely improper that “bi-racial” be used solely when the two races concerned are black and white. I have two biracial friends – neither has a drop of black or white ‘blood’.

No doubt “bi-racial” will soon go the way of half-caste or mulatto: the outward and visible sign of a speaker’s inward and spiritual evil.

In Brazil, Biracial would be a very big sample.
It would be great to do a triracial model in Brazil: Amerindian, African, European in Northeast, Northwest, Southwest Brazil. That analysis not just skin colour but a composite of that and hair texture, facial traits and so on.

Then that sentence needs a clarification at the very least. If you’re right, the African American parents of the sampled mixed children have three times more white genes than stated. They’re actually more white than black at 60/40.

The average intelligence of self-identified “African-Americans” varies considerably by subgroup/US state, something known as far back as the Army Alpha test scores. Kaufman and Doppelt (1976) later analysing WISC-R test scores for self-identified African Americans and found those in the southern states, had a mean IQ of 83 (some as low as 80), compared with 87 for western states, 89 for the north-central states and 93 for north-east states (94 the highest). In other words, African-Americans depending on state differ on average by almost one standard deviation. There’s more recent data showing similar results. The authors of Lasker et al. 2019 however only sample self-identified African-American from one US state, Philadelphia, with a mean IQ of 85.

Hereditarians seem to ignore the huge diversity in mean IQs between subgroups/US states within larger social ‘races’ (e.g. “Black”/”African-American”) for obvious reasons – the hereditarianism hypothesis doesn’t make sense when there is a gap virtually as big as the mean ‘Black-White’ difference within the putative “Black” racial grouping itself, furthermore the smartest “Blacks” have higher IQs than some subgroups of “Whites”. Hereditarians of course rarely discuss this overlap – when they do discuss it they come up with bizarre ad hoc hypotheses like Richard Lynn.

I suspect Black women with above average amounts of white DNA would gain appeal in the eyes of white men from looks inclining to the white much more that they would through IQ inclining to the white. The Minnesota adoption study found a couple of points higher IQ in biracial children of white birth mothers compared to those with black birth mothers.

I think having a white rather than black mother is a lot more common among Black/white biracial children, because white women rate the physical attractiveness of Black men much more highly than white men rate the physical attractiveness of Black women. Kanazawa presented seemingly objective data showing Black women (but not Black men) were less attractive than their white counterparts. In fact, Kanazawa said the data showed Black men were independently assessed as more physically attractive than white. But no one wants to hear that kind of thing, which is why Kanazawa was cancelled.

Would you agree with the assessment that this shows the 15 point IQ gap is only 0.5-0.7 genetic, or that this study indicates the American black and white IQ gap is at least 0.5-0.7 genetics and may be more with additional genetic information?

That the American b-w IQ gap is only around 8 points due to genetics really seems surprising as the adult 15 point gap hasn’t seemed to move in 40 years or more.

In other words, African-Americans depending on state differ on average by almost one standard deviation.

So do whites: there was once a useful table (on Audacious Epigone’s blogspot site) but the link now says “Blog has been removed”, and the only remaining trace is a tweet by JayMan…

The Audacious Epigone: State IQ estimates, whites only (2013) http://t.co/fbM1eMXqE3 pic.twitter.com/o4t2melsqR

— JayMan (@JayMan471) February 9, 2015

From memory, whites in West Virginia were ~1sd dumber than whites in DC.

The shortest distance from Washington DC to a point interior to the boundary of the state of WVa is ~67km as the crow flies.

At the end of the day, it’s much ado about fuck-all though.

If 70% of IQ variation can be explained by heredity, then an imprecise-but-suitably-graphic way to think about it is as follows:

 • if 2 average boobus Americanus squirt out offspring, ~65 IQ points gets explained when Pappa dumps a hot load in Mamma’s front-bum.

 • what happens thereafter is the difference between 80 and 110.

That assumes that the genetic contribution is augmented by even the most basic neonatal environment – i.e., that enough food, shelter and hygeine to stay alive is enough to generate extra IQ, and that a neglected kiddie with a genetic potential IQ of 100 will wind up with an IQ of 80 (rendering them useless for any role in a modern economy).

And of course extra attention, affection and other positive environmental stimuli aren’t getting a “vanilla” human to 140 (absent some superhero ‘origin story’, perhaps involving massive exposure to radiation).

But put a kiddie with a potential IQ of 100 in a contaminated shithole with measurable lead particulates in the environment, fluoridated water and what-not, and then feed them standard American gavage (sugary shit in coloured boxes)… 80-something is about right.

Hereditarians don’t ignore IQ differences between countries of the same race. Why then would you assume that they ignore what you’re talking about? It’s called an average. Also, we can’t assume that all whites and all blacks in the U.S. came from the same stock in their countries or territories of origin. New England whites and Appalachia whites aren’t from the same sub-racial stock, for example. White means European caucasoid which is a broad racial category that includes a variety of European caucasoid sub-races. The same goes for the term black which includes a variety of African negroid sub-races. Slaves came from all over Western Africa and belonged to a multitude of ethnic groups. Also, I would venture that over time, many of the more intelligent blacks in the U.S. migrated northward once they were freed because of better educational and economic opportunities to be had there. Selection bias and all that.
https://www.unz.com/jman/the-genetics-of-the-american-nations/

1. If white people are so darned smart, how come they are losing?

2. There are none so stupid as those who will not learn from experience. How many super-high IQ people did it take to invade Iraq? Or destroy Libya? Or ship all of our industries to China? Hello?

I am not sure exactly what you are referring to regarding the “ad hoc hypotheses.” To my knowledge, the existence of intelligent Black cognitive classes (including elite African immigrants) does not disprove the genetic basis of intelligence and likely bolsters the hereditarian hypothesis. Furthermore, the artifact known as regression to the mean once again implicates the underlying genetic origin for intelligence.

Most psychometricians are transparent regarding the statistical methods underlying their research. The Mainstream Science of Intelligence cogently outlined the issue; moreover, The Bell Curve plainly stated that most ethnic differences in functionality erode between Blacks and Whites once controlled for IQ. As it stands currently, the Black mean IQ of 85 is one standard deviation from the White average of 100, therefore putting 2% of Blacks at 115 or greater. That would entail 2% of Blacks exhibit higher IQs than 84% of Whites.

If one read The Bell Curve, then the first three chapters detailing cognitive stratification would be clairvoyant. I would intimate that a significant amount of Blacks with IQs of 115 or greater show higher admixtures of European ancestry and exhibit endogenous mating. These multiracial elites comprise the historical “bourgeois Black” class. The present study bolsters my claim, and time will only increase our current understanding.

Lastly, the existence of geographic differences amongst Blacks has been subject to detailed analysis. How is a five-eight point difference, predicated on phenotype-disparities in environmental development, akin to the standard deviation B/W one? Did you not read the first paragraph clearly stating the Black/White IQ differential has not been malleable?

That the American b-w IQ gap is only around 8 points due to genetics really seems surprising as the adult 15 point gap hasn’t seemed to move in 40 years or more.

It could have – if culture would not have worked in the opposite direction.

Steve Sailer’s estimate is that 5 IQ points could be a reasonable goal and within reach via appropriate cultural (= disciplinary, for example) changes in black schools/environments. –

– Is it that Bill Gates does not get this idea, because he is brighter than Steve Sailer, or because he is not as bright as Steve Sailer is? –

– On the other hand – if it depended on being bright to understand this culture-problem, why humble me could grasp it? Hehe. – Problems over problems.

Oh, but it is malleable. If you do the correct things, that is. But they’re… extremely controversial.

If you compare mean IQ of AA’s by state and then look at the percentage of mean “European” admixture in AA’s by state – it doesn’t fit the hereditarian hypothesis very well. As an example one of the states with highest mean “European” admixture, 30% is Washington (Bryc et al. 2015, Table S3). However, the IQ of AA’s in this state is far from the highest. Yet if the hereditarian hypothesis was true one would expect the states with highest “European” admixture to have highest IQ. Not the case.

Although AA’s in southern states with the lowest amount of “European” admixture such as Alabama, South Carolina and Mississippi have the lowest IQs – if you look at the IQs of “White Americans” in those states, they also have the lowest. This has been explained by the poor quality of schools in these states if I’m not mistaken. So when you also look at the lower IQs of “White Americans” in these states, it doesn’t support hereditarianism.

> So when you also look at the lower IQs of “White Americans” in these states, it doesn’t support hereditarianism.

In your remarks, when you write “hereditarianism,” you seem to mean “a model in which inter-group heredity explains nearly everything.” But that strikes me as a straw-man characterization of James Thompson’s writing, and of the Lasker et al study. One of the Lasker authors (Kirkegaard) has participated in this thread, strengthening that impression.

It seems to me that in the Thompson/Lasker context (and in the context of informed commenters on this thread) that a “hereditarian” is somebody who allows that both Nature and Nurture likely play important roles in determining an individual’s intellectual and psychological phenotypes (e.g. g and OCEAN/HEXACO traits).

From an evolutionary-biology perspective, it would be unlikely (not impossible) if groups that have been reproductively isolated for many centuries — and subject to different selection pressures — did not have some different mean values in quantitative phenotypic traits. In my view, understanding the causes and extents of inter-group mean differences is an interesting scientific question with important policy implications.

I am not sure exactly what you are referring to regarding the “ad hoc hypotheses.” To my knowledge, the existence of intelligent Black cognitive classes (including elite African immigrants) does not disprove the genetic basis of intelligence and likely bolsters the hereditarian hypothesis. Furthermore, the artifact known as regression to the mean once again implicates the underlying genetic origin for intelligence.

I’m referring to what you just posted as bizarre ad hoc hypotheses e.g. “elite African (im)migrants”.

We know mean IQ test scores of self-identified “African-Americans” differs by state; those living in the southern states have the lowest IQs. The reason for this is because the south has poorer education/socioeconomic conditions, hence why self-identified “White Americans” in those same states also have lower IQs, despite having the highest proportion of “White American” ancestry (how do hereditarians explain this?)

Hereditarians instead claim the IQs of AA’s in northern states are higher because these are/descend from “elite” blacks (and so are not typical) who migrated from the south. This was an argument popular among segregationists known as the selective migration hypothesis; it was debunked by Ashley Montagu in the 1940s. Yet that argument is still used by Richard Lynn, and what you seem to be arguing here.

It hasn’t been seriously moved in 100 years. Well, maybe. https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=6519

These estimates are not that precise. Sampling error is not the main concern here, the concern is that in these data, the effect of self-identifying as biracial black-white is quite large, and that’s why the genetic slope is not that large. This way of interpreting the results assumes that this self-identification is not confounded by the true polygenic score for intelligence etc., which is likely the case. Thus, treat these estimates with caution. Personally, I think the US black-white gap heritability is in the 50-100% region, closer to 100% than 50%. See this post: https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=6774

This blog is now on unz.com: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/state-iq-estimates-2013/

an interesting scientific question: it certainly is.

with important policy implications. I doubt it. But maybe times will change.

It’s also very possible that the whites in the south are not lower average IQ for the same reason blacks are. White southerners, from what little I’ve read, tend to descend principally from people from the United Kingdom and the UK has some of the trashiest, most aggressive whites in Europe. If you contrast that with the more placid Germanic peoples in the midwest and beyond, it makes a lot of sense to boil white differences down to ethnic reasons rather than socioeconomic reasons. I can’t really explain whites in the northeast; they very well may come from Southern English stock and they tend to be less thuggish.

I’m curious though. How do you explain the different outcomes between Asian nations and African nations? Both were poor as fuck 70 years ago and under the thumb of European nations, but the Asians have elevated themselves well beyond that of the Africans.

But then we have the different outcomes for Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, sub continental Indians and East African Indians who have emigrated to the UK. They are the same race and sometimes the same religion so they are all more or less equally oppressed by skin colour. However, their acheivements differ hugely. Bangladeshis are generally amongst the poorest in British society. Indians, especially East Africans, are notable for acheivement. The richest man in Parliament is the Indian Chancellor of the Exchequer, still young. This is a strong argument for environment, expressed as the internal culture of a group, playing a huge role.

Amongst those of African descent, recent arrivals from Africa outperform Afro-Caribbeans. Former school teachers here as asylum seekers from Zimbabwe zealously seek out employment opportunities as security guards that more established oppressed communities fail to find. White oppression? too much Ganja smoked by one of the groups? Self selection for higher motivation by the Africans?

My take home from the Bell Curve is that any genetic differences are trivial. You simply can not judge an individual by race.

I did run across a fascinating paper describing relative amounts of neanderthal DNA between Asians, Europeans and those of African descent.

Once, many species of humans roamed the Earth, of which Homo sapiens was just one. Human beings of European and Asian descent are not entirely human, as we had previously understood the term.

Everyone except sub-Saharan Africans has some Neanderthal DNA lingering in their cells, around 4 percent on average.

This is because most of the interbreeding between different human species happened outside of the African continent, after the first humans had ventured out and began spreading to the rest of the world.. 

Neanderthal is our closest-known evolutionary relative, and coexisted with H. sapiens on Earth for more than 5000 years , and frequently interbred with modern humans . According to researchers, at least one-fifth of the Neanderthal genome may lurk within modern humans, influencing traits including the appearance of the skin and hair people have today and the diseases they get. This finding indicates that a true “extinction” of Neanderthals may not have occurred, but that they may have been absorbed into H. sapiens.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947341/

Neanderthals were less aggressive and possessed brain development that enabled greater visual acuity than H. sapiens, but the the latter had better language-processing abilities . In general, because Neanderthal brains were devoted to vision and spatial memory, this left less area for cognition and social interactions.

The first interbreeding with Neanderthals occurred in the Middle East before the ancestors of modern non-Africans spread out across Eurasia.The ancestors of modern Europeans and Asians then split out of this migrant group and the ancestors of East Asians interbred again with Neanderthals after the split.

As a result there is a higher Neanderthal admixture in East Asians compared with Europeans. East Asians inherited 15–30 % more Neanderthal DNA than Europeans

Homo heidelbergensis mostly had smaller brains than Neanderthals, and H. sapiens. While no traces of H. sapiens interbreeding with Neanderthals have been detected in Sub-Saharan Africa, genetic studies show that H. sapiens did interbreed with H. heidelbergensis in this region

Without an archaic Neanderthal ancestry, Sub-Saharan African populations would be more affected by genes linked to aggression or hyperactivity, which are found only in H. sapiens. This finding could help account for the differences in violence or aggression found in the human race today.

East Asians have slightly larger brains than Europeans . In more detail, the perceptual brain regions are larger in East Asians, whereas the regions related to language are larger in Europeans. Sub-Saharan Africans mostly have smaller brains than the aforementioned two groups.

In terms of hyperactivity and aggression, the lowest scores among present human populations are obtained by East Asians, followed by Europeans and then Sub-Saharan Africans . The genes pertaining to aggressiveness and hyperactivity originate with H. sapiens, and interbreeding with Neanderthals led to more peaceful behavior in humans inheriting Neanderthal genes.

The differences in environment coupled with varying amounts of neanderthals DNA led to genetic and epigenetic differences , the latter being transgenerational and more or less permanent differences.

But again, the Bell Curve makes this all moot when it comes to individual relationships. We are one species. At the Middle of the curve where most of us reside there is little difference.

‘Hereditarians seem to ignore the huge diversity in mean IQs between subgroups/US states within larger social ‘races’ (e.g. “Black”/”African-American”) for obvious reasons – the hereditarianism hypothesis doesn’t make sense when there is a gap virtually as big as the mean ‘Black-White’ difference within the putative “Black” racial grouping itself…’

It makes plenty of sense if one assumes that ‘blacks’ in the Northeast et al have a greater admixture of white genes than blacks in Alabama et al — as they presumably would have.

I would also suspect that would also tend to be some genetic sorting for intelligence; American blacks started out in the South, and some emigrated outwards. Wouldn’t it follow that those who emigrated tended to be more intelligent than those who never did?

To put it differently, try driving around a town like Tuskegee, Alabama, and studying the local fauna. The best and the brightest did not stay down home on the farm.

Longitudinal data exist.

Do genes account for 50—70% of racial
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no, it’s awl about the hare, silkie vs nappie…

The Lasker et al. article is a very important contribution; it rejects definitively the conventional theory that the race gap is 100% environmental. It is great to see so many thoughtful contributions in the comments here.

It is important to acknowledge the slight ambiguity of assigning % contributions to genetic versus environmental causes of the race gap, due to the presence of genotype/phenotype interactions. African Americans are raised in neighborhoods with lower average g-factor scores and this environmental influence lowers their own g-factor scores relative to if they were raised in a different type of community. So this interaction effect creates a small ambiguity since it is neither a purely genetic nor a purely environmental cause. It is a “nonlinear” term coming from the interaction of genetic and environmental causes. Some of the earlier comments ignore this ambiguity.

Consider the following thought experiment. A group to 1000 talented musicians establish an isolated community and inter-marry producing a new generation in this isolated community. The children of this community would show great music talent, both because of genetic inheritance and because they live in a community where most everyone plays instruments and there are musical opportunities at every stage of life. Similarly, African Americans’ g-factor scores are impacted by being raised in communities with low average g-factor scores. This interaction effect might be small, but it is a potential ambiguity.

Why is this study so important, because it “confirms” that whites are “Übermensch “, and they should continue to treat the non-whites accordingly?

” In fact, Kanazawa said the data showed Black men were independently assessed as more physically attractive than white. But no one wants to hear that kind of thing, which is why Kanazawa was cancelled.”

A lot of white male sports fans (jockstrap sniffers) seem to have a homoerotic fixation with black men which is borne out by the fact that they spend endless hours gazing at them on the televitz and endless amounts of money collecting clothes that black athletes have worn at some point in their careers.

White women who get involved with black men are usually ones that have had abusive fathers and seek out men of any color who will abuse them. Since there is an endless supply of nasty black men (even some with money), the odds are that this type of white woman will end up with a nasty black man. Since money trumps all, a nasty black man with money will get the best looking of these women. There’s no true “physical attraction” going on there, just a mentally ill woman desiring to be wanted and the only male model that she can relate to is one that will abuse her, since black men are experts at abusing women over white men by a factor of 100, that’s usually what she ends up with.

“Indians, especially East Africans, are notable for acheivement. The richest man in Parliament is the Indian Chancellor of the Exchequer, still young. This is a strong argument for environment, expressed as the internal culture of a group, playing a huge role.”

Indians from East Africa are generally Ismaeli Muslims who have as their leader the Aga Khan. They are a subgroup that are smarter than the average Indian and are successful at business. They have a lot of money behind them and tend to be the most liberal of Muslims. Many were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin and given asylum mostly by the white Commonwealth countries. https://the.ismaili/global/about-us/the-ismaili-community

You are presenting politicized interpretations of news items as if they are indicative of some biological truth. The issue is not whether the United States has made bad choices politically. Good arguments could be made for the choices that were made for each of the topics you mention.

As for invading Iraq… consider that Iran fought a war with Iraq for nearly 10 years, losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, whereas the US was able to invade and occupy Iraq within days and lost only a tiny fraction of the amount of soldiers that Iran lost.

Finally, losing what? A starring role in television commercials?

You seem to be declaring victory in a contest that took place nowhere else than in your own head.

Honestly? I doubt it. I am a firm believer in epigenetics. Give me a black kid raised on brains and fish over any white raised a vegan. If not in one generation, in two the black kid will prevail over the dumber vegan. The problem with blacks that stayed in Africa is that it is much easier there to survive on a mostly plants diet. You only need to stretch an arm to pick a papaya.

Whites are blacks who emigrated North. There you can survive only on a meat-based diet (to preserve scarce vitamin D for example), plus the difficult environment forces you to develop tools and technologies.

The intelligence of Negronians can be argued ad infinitum.

What even the Whitest of simpletons knows is no state, city or neighborhood is improved by a large influx of blacks.

No. Plus the smear that has now become popular among the lower IQ rabble that white people have some how mistreated them is so blatantly false as to be truly absurd. Would you prefer to have been sacrificed to the Sun God by Aztecs? Would you prefer to have been enslaved by Arabs? Would you have preferred to have been starved to death by Chinese emperors? How is it that no one is aware of any aspect of human history other than a few examples of bad experiences people have had in the United States? Seems like an intentional sort of ignorance. Basically, you read a bad yelp review of America, which is all Black Lives Matter really is, and now you think it’s the worst country in human history. Would you prefer to be born into the “untouchable” caste in India?

One of the main reasons people focus on this topic of population IQ is that it has implications for social policy. If everyone is literally a moron (for example unable to comprehend simple written explanations) then the ability of those people to formulate or understand laws is very limited. To give a specific example: they simply would not be able to comprehend or even read complex tax law as it applies to international corporations. To give another example: they would not be able to formulate and follow rules for validating that a chemical is safe to use in household cleaning products. And on and on.

In short, democracy is impossible with such people.

We are just now beginning to see the collapse of democratic institutions in the US as a consequence of encouraging low IQ non-white people to have babies and immigrate here. For example, in the olden days when America was still 85% white, political campaigns revolved around assessing a candidates policy positions on taxation, foreign affairs, etc. The average voter was expected to be a well-informed citizen who was a stakeholder in the decisions being made. Fast forward to today and note that the average voter can barely be expected to grasp the idea of a bicameral legislature and so now we are getting nothing but the basest political topics being discussed: you are racists vs we are not racists. People are barely even able to solve a simple math problem anymore and yet they have somehow worked out that America is “the richest country in the world” so they should be given free money. That’s how stupid people destroy a democracy. Another example would be the sheer volume of violent crimes that people of African descent commit without being able to recognize that violent crime leads directly to impoverished, stigmatized neighborhoods.

There are myriad examples of such topics. I only mentioned a few. But we are certainly not talking about IQ just because we want to lord it over black people that they can’t do math. I would love it if a black person won the Fields Medal.

It is an open question whether or not America will be able to survive the onslaught of idiots we are now forced to deal with. We need capable citizens not beneficiaries of welfare handouts.

still this crap of “denying opportunities”? LOL

intelligent children create their own educational opportunities (this is studied as well); giving this argument of “denied opportunities” any air at all just legitimizes it. nobody taught whites to read or bestowed “opportunities” on them. wealth does not cause intelligence; intelligence causes wealth.

and why is everyone so obsessed about the B/W gap? There are 4 other major races. Where is the literature on the asian-hispanic gap? Or the indoaryan-arab gap?

whites and blacks are not even the same species; whites are a sapiens/neanderthal hybrid.

The ones I know are Hindu, edcuated at Catholic schools. All the East Africans tend to be smart.

However, my original point was broader. All the sub continentals in the UK were motivated enough to come here and to navigate the bureaucratic obstacles so they are all self selected. Even so, some groups outperform others despite a common “racial” background and disadvantages.

Outsiders with the right family structures do prosper. Armenians, Lebanese Christians, Parsees, Ibos, the aforesaid East African Asians and of course the Jews all have some family/religious structure that holds them together as a group that trusts each other enough to do business without contracts. I suspect a tendency to accept arranged marriages are a feature of this.

Black men were not regarded as most attractive…there are a number of Tinder/OkCupid and other dating site analyses which show white men received the most likes worldwide.

Nonetheless, taking data about what women find attractive is specious as women’s preferences are astroturfed by media.

throughout asia, black men are considered largely disgusting and for good reason- intentionally giving your offspring degenerate DNA is genetic suicide. However, the preference model of female attraction is ENTIRELY driven by social status models.

In the old days, social status came from power, wealth, the respect of other men, etc. Now, it comes from jews’ advertising and sportsball (in the West). There is not a multibillion \$ skin whitening product industry in SE Asia because black men are “more attractive.”

Letting women choose their mates is dysgenic. They will make choices effectively based upon testosterone levels. Letting jews decide who women should mate with is even worse as they will choose the least fit candidates for other races.

Notice how jewish media encourages literally everyone to mate with black men (except jewish women of course, who should stay in the tribe). Nobody is pushed to mate with asian men or hispanic men by jewish media. The absence of these encouragements is inferential proof that actual literal “diversity” is not the goal here.

Jews wish to acquire the beneficial DNA of whites for beauty and creativity and intelligence and hoard these traits for themselves alone. Chinese will use CRISPR to the same effect. At the same time they would prefer their rivals in this evolutionary war to be disadvantaged by suboptimal DNA.

Your chart is missing a ‘Culture’ Box which empirically is the single most obvious and important variable that differentiates the European people from all others in the world.

“Intelligence” is a socially mediated concept. Proof? Take someone with high IQ and toss them into a jungle and make them survive. They won’t last 3 hours. All of their IQ-ness won’t do squat for them.

Of course, the first response to this will be “This is stupid.” Or, “that has nothing to with intelligence.” If survival is not tied to intelligence, I don’t know what is.

There was a famous study in Brazil in late 80s where they tracked favela black kids (elementary school) who were placed into a (mostly white) middle class school. The favela kids were already seasoned drug dealers and runners.

The favela kids dominated in math. Of course they did — they already mastered all of basic arithmetic, understood percentages, ratios, discounts, etc. The “smartest” middle class kid couldn’t keep up with them.

The favela kids, however, didn’t fare well in school. They lacked the cultural capital of (Western) schooling — yes sir, no mam, thank you sir, etc. Follow this direction, meet this deadline, kiss this rear, placate this authority this way, that authority that way, smile at so and so when spoken to, etc.

I suggest you look into “Activity Theory” rather than this nonsense. Read some Cole and Scribner.

Disagree totally with your epigenetic premise.

A good example of this is blacks who are raised in white households from near birth.

No matter how culturally enriched the black child is because of his white adoptive “parentage” who have been taking care of him from birth, almost ALWAYS when he reaches the age of 12 or 13, his black DNA starts to assert itself, and he will eventually “turn against” his white parents.

The old adage, “you can take the negro out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of the negro” has been proven true, again and again.

A prime example of this is the case of football player Colin Kapaernick who disavowed his upbringing in a white family and culture and turned against them, embracing his black DNA.

Some thing just cannot be changed…

Yes, it’s depressing we need complex intellectual arguments for very obvious realities.

Yet if the hereditarian hypothesis was true one would expect the states with highest “European” admixture to have highest IQ. Not the case.

Of course only low IQ Whites would have children with blacks.

I note you have posted 3…count them 3 comments on Unz Review. You are a goddamn troll, as is Oliver D. Smith and many others. One of your White hating asshole friends contacts other White haters and swarm to a pro White article to spout bullshit.

Excellent comments.

In short, democracy is impossible with such people.

Any government that allows idiots to vote is doomed.

I would love it if a black person won the Fields Medal.

..legitimately.

My take home from the Bell Curve is that any genetic differences are trivial. You simply can not judge an individual by race.

But you sure can judge a race by their average IQ.

But again, the Bell Curve makes this all moot when it comes to individual relationships. We are one species. At the Middle of the curve where most of us reside there is little difference.

The middle of the curve is not equally populated by all races…far from it. The middle of the curve is lacking in black population.

As for invading Iraq… consider that Iran fought a war with Iraq for nearly 10 years, losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, whereas the US was able to invade and occupy Iraq within days and lost only a tiny fraction of the amount of soldiers that Iran lost.

I generally agree with you, but defending the decision to invade and occupy Iraq…is a bridge too goddamn far for me.

The last time they raised black kids on brains and fish the results were unconvincing …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

Epigenetics is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

That whole article is what’s termed “statistical noise,” in other words- bullshit.

Exactly. I’m sick of long rambling essays about what is clearly self-evident.

Adoption studies find that being raised in a particular family and community does not affect g.

I see.

Stupidity, violence and yuck are proprietary to the only fully human fraction of the One Species ™ .

Would you like to rephrase that?

(Besides, it´s BS; at the very minimum account for the Khoisan and the Ghost population)

That doesn’t explain enough. Africa is a pretty harsh environment too, with parasitic diseases, heat, droughts and large predators. Similarly, there’s the American native tribes, in the same seasonal zones as Europe,but way, way behind in civilization-building. And then there’s the far-North American tribes, with extreme seasonal changes but content just to fish and hunt whales and seals.

There is probably something to the hypothesis that geographic isolation and lack of competition from other humans stunts development. But in the end we’re all really saying the same thing: intelligence confers an advantage, so evolution is going to select for it, in its unconscious, haphazard way. The idea that we all pop out with generic cerebrums just waiting for the right combination of teachers, parents and nutrients to blossom into Isaac Newtons really has no basis in science.

The papaya (Carica papaya) is native to Central America.

Jeez, can’t anyone here keep geography straight. Kuru is in New Guinea, not Africa.

Our data are compatible with a between-group heritability (variance explained by European ancestry) of between 50% and 70% depending on the model chosen (see Scarr et al.,p. 85). This estimate of between-group heritability is consistent with Rushton and Jensen’s[9] hereditarian model, according to which 50%–80% of the African-/European-American cognitive difference is due to genetic differences.

A pretty disturbing result for the egalitarians and those who insist that race is a social construct.

When will this paper disappear from the scientific literature?

I was under the impression that even unbiased scientific inquiry was not allowed to explore these kinds of subjects?

Any meaningful rebuttal on the merits of this paper from Obwandiyag?

That was in essence the reasoning in Brown vs. Education …
(Blacks are stupid because they are traumatized by the presence of blacks)

The follow-up studies did not bear it out – black girls did improve but barely significant, boys only got twice as criminal.
Of course that was only the skoolz – do you advocate mandatory transracial adoption?
(geez, I hope I´m giving no one ideas 😀 )

I think you miss the forest for the trees. First of all “intelligence” as measured by Europeans is relative to European culture and it has left its actual and cultural DNA in its wake. Second, there are, according to the best science, about a dozen or more different kinds of intelligence that are very different from the culturally determined IQ test. Life, if you’ve live much at all, is a highly complex matter and different cultures have adapted differently over time and geographical location. Third, I think you underestimate the effects of prejudice clearly shown in the by the Jane Eliot blue eye/brown eye experiments that show that when you create a conceptual framework wherein one color of the eyes are show to be superior or inferior that students will gradually adapt to that as also was the case in the prisoners/jailer experiment in the Stanford Prison experiment. I’ve seen this role determining outlook phenomenon up close in my years in government work and interacting with people with legal power over others.

As a practical matter, however, the current cultural set-up is still rather rigid and sets people with IQ advantages to succeed over those that don’t regardless of actual “race.” We also have to remember that Africans brought over as slaves selected for strong bodies and not minds–sensitive or nerdy Africans either died on the slave ships or on the plantations so it would be theoretically obvious that American blacks would end up being better athletes.

Chinese are into Eugenics, while the west is into Dysgenics.

China also uses the American System of Economy (industrial capitalism) while the west adopted the Jewish/English finance capitalism model.

Who will win?

It is a foregone conclusion. In the long run, the combination of industrial capitalism and eugenics will make China unbeatable.

Jews wish to acquire the beneficial DNA of whites for beauty and creativity and intelligence and hoard these traits for themselves alone.

Jewish mania for becoming a “creditor” class to the world, and repairing the world with Tikkun Olam, has more than met its match in the China/Russia combination.

Jews cannot keep up their inside game of usury, rents, unearned income and war to promote tribal interests … the long term trends are against them.

Here is a link explaining Chinese Eugenic practices. I can guarantee there is no black DNA being collected by China to improve their gene pool.

https://www.edge.org/response-detail/23838

excerpt:

Chinese eugenics will quickly become even more effective, given its massive investment in genomic research on human mental and physical traits. BGI-Shenzhen employs more than 4,000 researchers. It has far more “next-generation” DNA sequencers that anywhere else in the world, and is sequencing more than 50,000 genomes per year. It recently acquired the California firm Complete Genomics to become a major rival to Illumina.

The BGI Cognitive Genomics Project is currently doing whole-genome sequencing of 1,000 very-high-IQ people around the world, hunting for sets of sets of IQ-predicting alleles. I know because I recently contributed my DNA to the project, not fully understanding the implications. These IQ gene-sets will be found eventually—but will probably be used mostly in China, for China. Potentially, the results would allow all Chinese couples to maximize the intelligence of their offspring by selecting among their own fertilized eggs for the one or two that include the highest likelihood of the highest intelligence. Given the Mendelian genetic lottery, the kids produced by any one couple typically differ by 5 to 15 IQ points. So this method of “preimplantation embryo selection” might allow IQ within every Chinese family to increase by 5 to 15 IQ points per generation. After a couple of generations, it would be game over for Western global competitiveness.

Game over

Don’t confuse delusions with intelligence…..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder

said:
“Black sub Saharan intelligence was considerably below White northwestern European levels long before Whites were involved there. Their lack of development is testimony to that.”

– No studies are needed to confirm what simple observation tells us.

– Even today, simple comparison of Euro-white majority continents, regions, countries, states, counties, cities, neighborhoods, etc. with the same of blacks & browns reveals the truth.

– And where is it that all the world’s black & brown ‘immigrants’ want to be?

it was debunked by Ashley Montagu in the 1940s. Yet that argument is still used by Richard Lynn, and what you seem to be arguing here.

Is that like being debunked by Snopes?

I think you miss the forest for the trees. First of all “intelligence” as measured by Europeans is relative to European culture and it has left its actual and cultural DNA in its wake.

Ahhh, so we should expect Africans to excel in other areas, like maybe Witch Doctoring or telekinesis.

Nope. Not thinking big enough. Wakanda actually exists, it’s just that white technology is not good enough to detect it!

Name one place that has been improved by a large influx of “white” exiles from European trailer parks?

One word two syllables:

Walmart

The middle of the curve is not equally populated by all races…far from it. The middle of the curve is lacking in black population.

To be more precise:

So, that means that only about 48% of blacks overlap the 68% of whites who occupy the 2SDs around the white mean.

However, worse than that, 79% of those blacks occupy the 1SD below the mean, compared to 50% of the whites in that 2SD block around the white mean..

“Blacks” don’t waste their life embarrassing themselves day after day online for the entire world to read whining and complaining about “whites”.

IQ? 🤭🤐😂🤣

The men are result of our biology and of the cares wich our family and our society have given our for our breeding.

If you have two baby twins and you carry one of them to a jail and put him in a cell in absolute isolament , you’ll find that two decades after you’ll have a young man and a baby in the body of an adult.

The man is a product of his society.

It is not possible to come up with a working model that explains how humans became more intelligent than animals unless:

1) IQ is a heritable trait.

2) It gives a Darwinian competitive advantage to those who have it.

Oh, look. Charts. He must be right. He has charts. That makes him right.

Interesting point.

I notice this website gets all depressed when there is real news, like a war or a plague or something, because it diverts them from whining and complaining about blacks. Damn those wars and plagues.

I think the theory is that dealing with parasites in Africa requires little intelligence.

do you advocate mandatory transracial adoption?

I know a blank-slate scientist who did it. He was obvioudly disappointed by the results. Blamed them effortlessly on the capitalist system though (not kidding). – He is a scientistic anti-Freudian too, btw., which is good in such cases because it allows you to – neglect – your defense-mechanisms…and lets you untroubled by doubts rest in peace, when the evening comes.

I’m sick of long rambling essays about what is clearly self-evident.

I sort of take your point, but I have to admit I actually respect taking such pains: it’s not the kind of conclusion you want to screw up. Besides, you need to tie down all the loose ends, because you know people are going to try to squirm out of conclusions they don’t like (and jump to those they do).

The point is, observations can give you a hypothesis, which you may want believe for whatever reason, but only after getting and analyzing data like do you have actual verification.

That’s what (used to) pass for science, though I realize this is a pointy-headed boomer thing whose time has passed. We’re now so much better off, getting information about nature from Disney creation Bill Nye the Science Guy, who is not only authoritative but more entertaining to boot, And most recently, we have the benefit of internet censorship to save us from wasting time learning the wrong information, I mean ideas.

I mean obviously the most competitive cities will draw the smartest of all races, and obviously the only reason a black man would find himself in New Hampshire or Wyoming is that he has some lucrative business opportunity that makes up for the fact that he is moving to a place that is like 2% black.

I don’t think this implies all that you think it does. Averages are still a better way to go.

1. Black-americans come in last in all standardized tests. Asian-americans do fine on all the tests so it’s not due to cultural bias in the tests.

2. Africa is by far the poorest and most backward continent on the planet. All of black africa is now controlled by blacks and has been for decades so it’s not due to racism.

3. No black has ever won a Science Nobel Prize unless you count one in 1979 for the semi-science of economics. They have won many nobels in non-brain fields like Peace and also in Literature so it is not due to racism.

4. Out of 1552 chess grandmasters in the world, only THREE are black.

You’re an idiot, so you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Your history is not even 7th grade.

The Chinese government was so bad that their population increased precipitously in the second millennium. Just for instance. Let us not speak of the wonders and glories and tolerance and complete superiority over Europeans of Moorish Spain, or the Islamic world in general.

But your comment on welfare reveals what a real bona fide chump you are. All you pathetic brain-dead low IQ nobodies sitting in your basements trying to find W on the keyboard think that “welfare” is a “problem.” I bet you didn’t even know that conservatives with actual brains will freely admit (in private) that “welfare” is not a problem at all. It’s just a stick to whip up the boobs with and truncheon the liberals with. Thus, anybody who brings up “welfare” at all is either a fully-fledged chump member of the booboisie, or else a disingenuous liar, panderer, manipulator.

Fuck you, please.

Out of 1552 chess grandmasters in the world, only THREE are black.

No wonder, they must be triggered by those black and white squares, black and white pieces.

Shouldn’t chess swap to, say, red and yellow? Hang on, that wouldn’t do. How about purple and aquamarine? Hold on, purple is the imperial colour. So how about …..

Q: Name one place that has been improved by a large influx of blacks & browns from anywhere.

A: There are none.

recommended:

– The Color of Crime: https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

– What is “privilege”??, by Bloomingdale, GA mayor, Ben Rozier:

– Privilege is wearing \$200 sneakers when you’ve never had a job. Privilege is wearing \$300 Beats headphones while living on public assistance. Privilege is having a Smartphone with a Data plan which you receive no bill for.

– Privilege is living in public subsidized housing where you don’t have a water bill, where rising property taxes and rents and energy costs have absolutely no effect on the amount of food you can put on your table.

– Privilege is the ability to go march against, and protest against anything that triggers you, without worry about calling out of work and the consequences that accompany such behavior.

– Privilege is having as many children as you want, regardless of your employment status, and be able to send them off to daycare or school you don’t pay for.

– Privilege is sending your kids to school early for the before school programs and breakfast, and then keeping them there for the after school program… all at no cost to you… paid for by the people who DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH RISING TAXES AND COSTS! …you know, us so called ‘PRIVILEGED’ the ones who pay while you TAKE TAKE TAKE!”

https://iontheworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/iq-and-life-outcome/

Intelligence and IQ in the western mindset comes down to this ( just how much bullshit and lies) called history and Trivia you can retain then vomit out when asked. I know high IQ, book smart people who have the social skills of toads. LEARNING depends on your astrology sign and how you process information presented to you. Some people read and retain, some learn by doing, etc…
But in the end, having a high IQ just means your a different type of “dumb ass”

“…sensitive or nerdy Africans either died on the slave ships or on the plantations…”

Did those “nerdy” Africans already exist in Africa in the first place? Did they have a culture in which such “nerds” could survive and procreate?

It makes plenty of sense if one assumes that ‘blacks’ in the Northeast et al have a greater admixture of white genes than blacks in Alabama et al — as they presumably would have.

Why guess? The data are right there in Bryc et al 2014. Yes, they do have higher European ancestry. Yes, they are smarter also in newer data (e.g. NAEP).

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

You mean that an intelligent person – who has gained practical experience of one environment, is mostly useless in a very different environment?!

Well of course! Put a ship captain in a kitchen, and, they will fuck up for a while too!

Btw my kid, a white boy of 87.5% slavic descent, lacks ‘cultural capital’.. The 5 year old boy is a basic noble savage – shuns the knife and fork, ‘willy out’ whenever he can, but you give him a maths problem (down to linear algebraic equations), and he chooses to solve them for his own enjoyment.

Not saying other races don’t have this, but I would put money on this being more prevalent for high IQ parts of the species.

Australia was originally populated by white convicts. Eventually it became something more than just a trailer park. Many Irish immigrants in America came as indentured servants (virtually slaves), but they evolved way beyond the “trailer park”. Whites create civilization, Blacks destroy civilization. Deal with it.

IQ testing is not about how much information you have stored (“learning”), but about how you process information (“understanding”). Those who passionately reject IQ testing, always have themselves a low IQ. QED, in your case.

I respectfully disagree. It’s just that the sites where they are complaining are far more lowbrow than Unz, yet if you are familiar with them the commenters there probably represent the smart fraction of blacks.

The good news is that if intelligence is largely genetic the problem can be easily solved, perhaps within a generation if you disregard any downstream effects.

I would love nothing more than for a Wakanda to exist on this earth. It would make things more interesting than the typical back and forth where Europeans are whinging over how powerful they are. Let them have some real competition to get them back to reality.

you just proved my point!

Why is this study so important, because it “confirms” that whites are “Übermensch “, and they should continue to treat the non-whites accordingly?

No, more because it smokes out the enemies and liars.

There’s no true “physical attraction” going on there, just a mentally ill woman desiring to be wanted and the only male model that she can relate to is one that will abuse her . . .

Happens. Women have a problem — to have children, they need a man of some sort. An individual woman has no innate idea of what kind of society she has been born into, but does have an innate idea that she has to have children and needs a man for that. Women judge by early experience, assuming that what they see as children will be available when they grow up.
So it’s not quite mental illness, but pretty close. It’s an adaptive mechanism gone wrong.

“Real news” being anything that doesn’t provide an opportunity to lift “yourself “up by putting others down.

Like: “blacks, Muslims, Jewish civilians, and or ancient history” didn’t enable the systemic genocides all over the planet aka “sectarian violence” “revolution” “freedom” by funding supporting consenting paying 24/7 high ratings attention

Unlike: self-proclaimed Anglo Saxon Caucasian Christian White Western superior civilized

Taxpayers

That’s the only news

can you provide a link?

People are People as far as I’m concerned

This is probably as good a place as any to post some thoughts on the significance of IQ.

But in the end, having a high IQ just means your a different type of “dumb ass”

If you’re trying to say that intelligence should be more than the ability to “vomit out” something “when asked”, I’d agree, though I’m not quite ready to eliminate book learning in favor of astrology.

“…People are People as far as I’m concerned…”

Yes, A = A as far as I am concerned, but that was not the question.

I know

As I said, longitudinal data exist. There is no need to fantasize.

LOL

IQ and race are fairly accurate ways to explain almost everything regarding human behavior.

The left dismisses race and IQ simply as a means to blame whites for the failures of non-whites.

It’s that simple and transparent.

Race and IQ make culture as the culture reflects the abilities of any given group.

jews lead the effort to dismiss race and IQ because of their agenda to demonize white people.

If the truth about race and IQ could be openly discussed and debated then perhaps some real life political solutions could be found for some of the problems facing humanity.

But as long as jews seek to dominate and rule over all of humanity, we will continue to be inundated with lies and gaslighting and all sorts of ridiculous nonsense.

Hans Eysenck was one of the earliest protagonists in the controversy over race and intelligence. He believed that the observed variability in IQ scores is genetically determined to a high degree (80% heritability) and that, in consequence, the Black–White IQ gap in the US is due predominantly to genetic factors. Subsequent investigations have confirmed that IQ is indeed heritable, though at a level substantially below 80%, and a deeper understanding of population genetics has shown that race differences in IQ could be determined entirely by environmental factors even if its heritability were as high as Eysenck believed it to be. Several lines of research, notably racial admixture studies, racial crossing studies involving interracial parenting or adoption, and especially investigations using more recent techniques of molecular genetics, have provided evidence suggesting that the Black–White IQ gap is not determined significantly by genetic factors.

Source: Race differences in IQ: Hans Eysenck’s contribution to the debate in the light of subsequent research

Everything’s either “Black or White Left or Right”…. and that’s supposed to take a high IQ?

My cat begs to differ…

Sorry chum. Most of these wars have been and continue to be orchestrated by the Zionists.

Christians are the dupes fighting the immoral wars.

No excuse. But put the blame where it belongs.

Keep your high IQ global genocide and torture Cabal! We don’t want whatever it is “White” race has….🐽 job?

“””Q: Name one place that has been improved by a large influx of blacks & browns from anywhere.

A: There are none.”””

Everywhere that is majority black is a sewer. We see it in african countries and american cities. Black Lives Do NOT Matter because blacks can’t do anything useful. Anything involving tech skills is beyond them. They excel at sports ( a useless activity) and that’s it.

Your comments rank at buckwheat level.

You are way out of your league here.

If Snopes´real name is Ehrenberg 😛

One-shot over maybe three generations, not “per generation” … and maybe with unforeseen consequences.
But the Chinese lack of misplaced sensibilities WILL give them an edge –
10-15 pts overall will amount to a Quantum Leap Forward.

African Americans…in the southern states, had a mean IQ of 83 (some as low as 80), compared with 87 for western states, 89 for the north-central states and 93 for north-east states (94 the highest). In other words, African-Americans depending on state differ on average by almost one standard deviation.

The IQ of african-americans in the north-east states is higher than the National IQs of all the nations of:

the Middle-East and North Africa (including Israel).

Latin America

South Asia

Central Asia

It is much higher in numerous cases.

For example the african-american IQ (93) in the north-east states is
over 15 points higher than 8 nations in MENA (including Egypt and Syria), 3 nations in South Asia (including India) and 3 nations in Latin America. In 4 of the above cases it is a whopping 30+ points higher.

It is also higher than at least 9 european nations, 2 of them by over 10 points.

It’s amusing how Sailer, Thompson and the rest of the HBD cult studiously ignore such facts. Why? Because they pull the rug from underneath them. These quacks are selling snake oil. Buyer beware, lol.

Source: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/iq-2019/

I knew that 😀 just couldn´t resist glib´s wording.
(and I agree on vegans)
The idea goes back to a screed “The Beginning Was The End” (can´t remember the author) arguing man evolved by eating the brains of his fellows; utter drivel.
… though there may be something to the “aquatic (evolutionary) period” hypothesis (in Southern Africa).

can you provide a link?

Right after you provide one saying that the sun shines during the day.

If you disagree, _you_ provide a link.

We don’t want whatever it is “White” race has….

When the USSR stopped, c.a. AD 1990, the entire manufacturing sector was fired. The whole thing. There was no money to pay it because the current resource exporting economy of the RF had not been established and there was no money, just Rubles that could be used as shin plasters and little else. The US appears to be going the same route. The 0.8 trillion dollars/year could and probably will vanish.

Fortunately, you regard this as a good thing. Also, Whites are moving out of the areas likely to be rioted into destruction should this happen, so you won’t even have to see Whites. It would appear that we have a deal here that will be of mutual benefit.

And its your deal — you proposed it, insisted on it, wouldn’t shut up about it, took cities and destroyed them to make your point, used up enough capital that the cities and labor force can’t feed everybody, drove many Whites to suicide and, well, now you get your way.

And at least have the courage not to complain about it, lest you push yourself into complete contempt.

DC (and the immediate surrounding area) is a bad example, because it’s an area where people that grow up all around the country flock to for the good high paying jobs. So you have a large number of very intelligent people there, then they have kids who are also intelligent. The opposite can be said for places like WV, where there are few jobs. Anyone that’s intelligent leaves the state to work somewhere else, and then they have smart kids who in turn grow up somewhere else. So you have some geography with continual influxes of intelligent people and other places with continual drains of their most intelligent people. You have to acknowledge this to be intellectually honest here.

Yeah, and many forget that many upper middle class children spend most the first four years of their lives in daycare, where they are often raised by some \$10 an hour Spanish speaking lady and many kids with far lower intelligence. But they always turn out just fine, just as intelligent as they would have otherwise.

When Black Lives Matter demand that black people be repatriated to the relatively white free lands of Africa I will begin to think they are serious in their belief that whitey is the root of all their problems.

Until then I will see them for what they are: Liars and parasites who would much rather live off the productivity of whitey than to decamp back to their ancestral homelands and live free of whitey.

Africa welcomes you back. Go there and elevate your people and your ancestral lands.

Why not take up the invitation and free yourself from the pernicious influence of evil whitey??

This is one cause that I could genuinely support in earnest.

I note a certain “bias” (in the abstract, not the attitudinal, sense) in the article. The testing seems aimed at discerning “White” characteristics in (otherwise) Black individuals. Seldom, if ever, do I note the seeking of “Black” characteristics in (otherwise) White individuals.
This might be an subconscious echo of a standard I’ve heard of in the southern US, if not also elsewhere, where, if a person has one Black grandparent, said person “is” Black. This standard was noted in mid-Thirties German studies of American race law, and rejected by the Germans for purposes of crafting their own race laws (vis-a-vis Jews) in 1935. They conditionally admitted such “quadroons” to Aryanhood.

I read somewhere that over half of the Nobel prizes to Jews have been awarded after World War two.
With so many Jews getting killed during WW2, it seems to be a great mystery how their population could have suffered a large percent loss and still bounce back and take the lion’s share of this coveted prize as all academics from around the world want it too. Perhaps there is more than one explanation?

Any ideas, and references for further reading? Thx

‘… With so many Jews getting killed during WW2, it seems to be a great mystery how their population could have suffered a large percent loss and still bounce back and take the lion’s share of this coveted prize…’

Those Jews who were killed were disproportionately not those winning the prizes?

Note that the blow fell most heavily not on German and Austrian Jews, half of whom got out in good time, but the Jews of Poland and points east. Not many of the Nobel Prize winners were hanging out in Bialystok.

‘… especially investigations using more recent techniques of molecular genetics, have provided evidence suggesting that the Black–White IQ gap is not determined significantly by genetic factors.’

First off, this sort of bumph is the academic equivalent of all the pseudo-genetic studies showing that Jews come from Palestine after all.

Whenever science produces an unpalatable result, ‘science’ is hastily fabricated to disprove that unpalatable result.

Secondly, it’s not just IQ tests that demonstrate the intellectual inferiority of blacks. Look at the level black societies invariably regress to. Look at the sociological indices of black behavior. It’s exactly what one would expect of a society made of people who had a really low average intelligence.

Finally go out there and meet some blacks. Not the blacks able to function in white society, or the ones capable of interacting with you — meet a real, random assortment of blacks.

They are dumb. I mean seriously stupid. You have no idea.

You can muddy up the IQ test results all you like. The truth remains the truth.

it’s not just IQ tests that demonstrate the intellectual inferiority of blacks.

I agree with you about that, as I explain here: Why IQ Tests Don’t Measure Intelligence.

They are dumb. I mean seriously stupid. You have no idea.

You mean like this guy or this guy?

We don’t want whatever it is “White” race has….🐽 job?

Turn off your computer then.

The left dominates most of academia and graduates thousands of PhDs a year in various racial studies.

With all that education the most common response from the leftist is to make snarky comments.

Must be rough getting a 10 year degree and then taking that long to find out that the left is completely full of shit on race.

You are always interesting in what you right about IQ and its correlates.

How can I send you some interesting information by email? I want to engage your interest in what might be the second most important measurable but rarely measured polygenetically calibrated human characteristic for human prosperity. I refer to the amount of sleep people need. Donald Trump says he rises at 5.30 and is said to be, like Margaret Thatcher a very short sleeper. My hypothesis is that average adult requirement is 7.25-8 hours and sd about 1 hour for at least some aspects of what happens during sleep. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that a plumber with IQ 100 but sleep requirement 4sds below average had made himself a multiimillionaiire. And I would be surprised if a battlefield general with 1Q 140 but requiring 8 hours sleep could compete with one who required only 4. It is a very important variable, and maybe a complex one. I once invented the Just So story that acknowledges the utility for a tribe of having people who are alert in the morning and others alert at night but that having too many Margaret Thatchers who would compete for attention night and morning would be disruptive…..

So, how to send you something?

I haven’t yet read the linked article so I am stuck with early respect for the work of Eysenck and his pupil Jensen whom I had to a lunch of politicians of all sensible flavours when they were in Melbourne and being ignorantly abused by Know Nothing idiots whose backgrounds should have supplied some sense.

As you have, I notice, put considerable effort into researching the antihereditarian case I wonder if you have come across evidence of particular relevant mutations which may, by tbeir dates, preclude their presence in African populations at least South of the Sahara? I seem to remember.ber reading of a couple of important mutations amongst Eurasians well after the out of Africa migrations.

Does it not strike you as probable that there is far more variety of everything heritable within Africa than has yet been fully described or adequately explored? I mean caste systems in West Africa, for example, and then the evidences of huge genetic variation that are so obvious in athletics. Given this obvious reality shouldn’t we expect to find some small classes of Africans with e.g. mathematical talent, but not many?

“The genes pertaining to aggressiveness and hyperactivity originate with H. sapiens, and interbreeding with Neanderthals led to more peaceful behavior in humans inheriting Neanderthal genes. ”

WWI, WWII, Holocaust ……examples of peaceful behavior in humans inheriting Neanderthal genes !!!

Don’t forget that those peaceful human beings will be responsible for nuclear war that is going to wipe out humanity from the face of the earth.

Aah I see where you’re coming from….

I can’t read this standard Wikipedia dictation.

There are people who experience life in their world and (T) here are Necro political Mouthpieces

I’m giving it the benefit of doubt. You’re right all shades of brown skin are intellectual inferior to white skin period!

That doesn’t change the fact that African-Americans are extremely likeable and popular in virtually the entire world

I’m not talking about Hollywood celebs obviously.

The internet has opened people’s eyes about certain things

People generally look at parts of very recent history. Egypt and the Middle East and parts of India and China were much more advanced than Europe in the past. Koreans were much poorer than many Africans within living memory. China was very poor in the first half of the 20th century. Japan was much poorer than Europeans within living memory.

You’re being too harsh. It’s hard to get people to look at things over 70 years let alone hundreds or thousands. It doesn’t seem real to them. I’ll give a trivial example. I was a teenager in the 1950s and it was men who crossed their legs in Australia then. Women wore dresses to just below their knees and only a bold young woman crossed her legs because the men might see a flash of thigh. In the late 60s, mini dresses became shorter and shorter and women crossed their legs so men couldn’t see a flash of fork.

When all the young women started crossing their legs, men stopped. I didn’t. I only see other old men cross their legs when they’re with a group of old men. Just try to explain that to a young woman who’s convinced you’re homosexual because you’ve crossed your legs. I can talk until I’m blue in the face but it makes no impression. Only the recent past was ever real. I’m as homosexual as I’m Ibo but nobody accuses me of being Ibo. [email protected]

The study of the genetic basis for intelligence, as well as the differences in this behavior between individuals as well as as human population, is a fascinating one and sure to bring out a lot of information that many people would rather ignore.

It seems clear to me that one cannot accept natural selection and conceive of a natural world where human intelligence would not vary across geographically distinct human populations.

I think the sting of some of these results could be lessened if we really had a color blind society where individuals would be judged strictly on merit–no such thing as affirmative action or disparate impact judicial nonsense. I think in such a world it is conceivable that racial relations would improve significantly. If a black person is smart enough to become a doctor fair and square there would be no need to question how they achieved what they have achieved.

But in the world we live in today, where poor black performance on whatever measure one cares to examine is blamed on white racism, the only rational response is to look at genetics. And in the process, one does find biological reasons for black dysfunction that cannot be blamed on racism.

But there is good news in the heritability data as well and the normal distribution for IQ. It is clear that at least 10 percent of African-Americans score higher than the average white European. This is not a trivial number. Even if one put all value for a human being on the basis of intelligence, just this result alone confirms that a non-trivial number of black people do have the intelligence to become productive members of a technologically sophisticated civilization.

The bottom line. The science behind IQ is fascinating and should not be censored and should be allowed freedom from political interference. But as long as the narrative demands reparations and full scale blame whitey for black dysfunction a rational response to these hate filled charges is to bring up the issue of biology.

If you want the study of biological differences in intelligence between the races to remain an esoteric scientific discussion, it might be smart to cut back on the hate whitey meme. This is bad for everyone.

First guy :

I. Muhammad Ali’s IQ test before the Vietnam war

It’s true he scored a 78 on an IQ test for the army enlistment when he was drafted for the Vietnam war. After scoring a 78 on a 1964 Army IQ test – “I said I was the greatest, not the smartest” – Ali was classified 1-Y: “Not qualified under current standards for service in the armed forces”.

Source : http://www.iq-test.net WHAT IS MUHAMMAD ALI’s IQ.

Second guy : Well, do I believe he belongs to the small number of Blacks in the extreme right of the black Bell curve. Nobody denies that such people exist.

Chapeau! Eventually you’ll find an excuse to justify murder I mean mass murder and repeatedly. Colonial Europe’s destructive ways created the Social “sciences” for the sake of

White Superiority

English is not my first language but I’m sure you’ll get the point regardless

I can’t read this standard Wikipedia dictation.

And you can’t write, either. OK, simple version: Blacks and Latinx are supported in the US largely by White and Asian tax money. About 800 billion dollars worth of support each year. Pelosi wants to spend 3 trillion dollars that just might bring the system down.

After it comes down, Blacks and Latinx in the US at least won’t be supported by White and Asian tax money. They won’t be supported at all. Neither will most of the

When that happens, at least have the courage not to whine about it. You said you wanted nothing form Whites, and you will finally have it.

There are people who experience life in their world and (T) here are Necro political Mouthpieces

You, in this case. You’re asking that the Blacks and Latinx be starved out. That’s Necro.

I think the sting of some of these results could be lessened if we really had a color blind society where individuals would be judged strictly on merit–no such thing as affirmative action or disparate impact judicial nonsense. I think in such a world it is conceivable that racial relations would improve significantly. If a black person is smart enough to become a doctor fair and square there would be no need to question how they achieved what they have achieved.

If a black person is smart enough to become a doctor fair and square
That was actually the case in the US before the 1964 Civil Rights Act. _The Bell Curve_ pointed out that Black income was identical to White when adjusted for IQ, and back in the 1950s one figured that a Black professional was as good as they came, and generally had a dignity the other professionals couldn’t equal. The 1964 Civil Rights act changed all that — today Black income does not correlate to Black IQ.

if we really had a color blind society where individuals would be judged strictly on merit
Well, we did, in much of the US. Trouble was the IQ distribution works within families also. About 50% of the Black population was under 85 IQ, and had real trouble getting a job, the more so as machines took over brute muscle jobs (*). So every Black professional had relatives who were unemployed and in trouble with the police. This, and some organizing money plus LBJ’s brilliant idea of financing US cities through welfare money funneled through the Black ethnic group, made industrial society unpopular with the Blacks, and thus Whites unpopular with the Blacks.

*) An old Irish joke was that the Irish owed much to the inventor of the wheelbarrow, who enabled the Irish to walk upright. A standard job back then for first generation Irish immigrants to the US was moving construction materials and spoil in wheelbarrows, hence the joke. Can’t do that now, have to be bright enough and trained enough to operate earthmoving equipment.

Not find me defending human evil of any stripe.

Not my cause.

any genetic differences are trivial. You simply can not judge an individual by race.

Well that sounds very pious but do you insist in it being totally useless as well?

If I have applications from individuals in the US for a small number of software engineering jobs whose names are DeShawn, Leroy, Dwayne,and their cousins all with similar degrees from black colleges will I not be most likely to save time, money and effort if I follow up first on the Tans, Lee’s and Pengs from run of the mill colleges in Hong Kong?

As to

The genes pertaining to aggressiveness and hyperactivity originate with H. sapiens

have you forgotten chimpanzees and their differences from bonobos?

Interesting scientific questions are being raised here.

95% of whites are within 2SDs of the white mean.

I have read your linked article and I detect the well practved advocacy, but I think it would be fallacious to disregard the evidence IQ tests provide of sometimes needed cognitive abilities. The fact that a ten year old’s 140 plus IQ is a very good predictor of his being in the running for due of the school in 7 years time is not only true but useful in making sure he is kept interested and mentally active. Indeed, in a class which has to go slow the child who was reported to be very bright but only evidences it to the teacher by doing the maths tests in half the time others take will often lead to his IQ being tested so parents or class teacher can get the school to do more for him.
Making connections (or seeing patterns) quickly is required for many high intensity cognitive activities and is highly correlated with IQ scores so it can make good sense to discourage the kid with an IQ of 110 from aspiring to be creative tax lawyer like his Dad. Being “slow on the uptake” can really matter, not least for police and emergency services workers so making sure recruits to fire service score at least 100 on a well designed IQ test makes good sense and the examples of people being described as highly intelligent because they are respectively outstanding surgeons, musicians, theatre directors, etc is hardly relevant. It is not impossible that one day, without genetic engineering, sub-Saharan Africans and their close relations will be brought up to European average measured IQs ‘ but would you not bet against it? And would you bet that that they would prove equally employable in a modern society?

Do you mean Table S2? Table S3 is by region, not state. Since you can’t be bothered to link your references, Bryc et al. 2015 is:
The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans across the United States
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

I don’t always need to link to them; unless you’re lazy someone can easily find them on a search-engine, searching Bryc et al 2015 on Google and you find the study on the first page of results.

Did you happen to notice the sample sizes in Table S2? That WA number is based on 10-49 individuals. I wonder which end of that range applies.

All of a sudden you’re concerned with samples sizes? Funny, considering you and Thompson cite Tang et al which uses a sample of one self-identified AA’s for some states yet you never raised the same objection…

Then there is the issue that the paper data is from 23andMe. Are you familiar with the concept of selection bias?

Very similar results are reported in other studies e.g. Parra et al. 1998, see Figure 1:

“Parra [15] presents data showing that the percentage of European contribution to several African American communities within the continental US varies tenfold, from 3.5% in the isolated Gullah-speaking Sea Islanders from South Carolina to 35% in Seattle (Figure 1).”
https://humgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40246-014-0023-x

Seattle is the largest city in the state of Washington. So AA’s have a mean estimate of 30% “European” ancestry across the state, but in Seattle this reaches as high as 35%.

Do AA’s in Washington/Seattle have the highest IQs? Nope. This is just one obvious evidence against hereditarianism – AA’s with the highest “European” ancestry don’t have the highest IQs. Seems you don’t have any rebuttal, so you’re desperately left with trying invalidate the studies by criticising the sample sizes. lol

Lasker et al. 2019 has been criticised by geneticist Kevin Bird, however the paper is still a pre-print.

Bird, K. A. (2020). “No support for the genetic hypothesis of the Black-white achievement gap using polygenic scores and tests for divergent selection.”
https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/2qfkt/

Substantial issues with both confounding variables in the path model weaken the conclusions drawn from Lasker et al. Both analyses also suffer from systematic biases because they apply polygenic scores to people from groups that were not included in the original GWAS. Results from Duncan et al. show that across a range of traits, the estimated value for non-European populations using polygenic scores is biased and explains much less variance than in European populations. African ancestry is the most affected, with an average effect size 50% of the size of the same genetic variants identified in Europeans, and there is even larger misestimation for phenotypic traits related to cognition. Overcoming these biases in polygenic scores is a necessary condition for analyzing the racial IQ gap using genomic data.

As for –

Really? Are overlapping distributions so hard to understand? Figure 3 makes this overlap obvious. Perhaps we don’t see this discussed much because statistically literate people understand overlapping distributions and don’t need to belabor the point?

Figure 3 doesn’t show an overlap of group means/averages but individuals overlapping. What instead I was discussing was the averages of local subgroups within a putative broad group (‘race’) having very different IQ test scores to other local subgroups within the same putative broad group i.e. some self-identified African-American subgroups by state have mean IQs in the low 80s, but others in the 90s. This arguably falsifies the hereditarian hypothesis because as repeatedly noted by Richard Lynn – a prediction of hereditarianism is groups that are closely genetically related in a putative race should be similar in IQ test scores. But this is not what we find. However, self-identified African-Americans are probably a bad example because hereditarians will just use an ad hoc explanation of selective migration to explain any discrepancies. I have better examples.

“I would love it if a black person won the Fields Medal.”
As would I. Sadly, all the testing says that’s unlikely.
There’s an excellent “science” site that I frequent,
https://www.quantamagazine.org/
It’s dedicated to scientific advancement, covering developments in physics, mathematics, biology and computer science.
My favorite game to play there is, “spot the black guy” – kinda like “Where’s Waldo?”
Except Waldo is nowhere to be found…

But I suspect that Michael Mosley of the BBC’s “Trust .e I’m a Doctor” who IMO stuffed up a program called “Keep Me Awake” by simple innumeracy would take notice of you proposing e.g. that he look at the requirement (maube plural) for sleep as normally distributed as one would expect when many genes are involved.. And wouldn’t be good to know more about that very important variable?

It’s true he scored a 78 on an IQ test for the army enlistment when he was drafted for the Vietnam war. After scoring a 78 on a 1964 Army IQ test – “I said I was the greatest, not the smartest” – Ali was classified 1-Y: “Not qualified under current standards for service in the armed forces”.

So you’re saying that Muhamed Ali was a gamma minus moron? LOL

Hey Wiz,

I have read your linked article and I detect the well practved advocacy

Well, thanks for that. Actually, that piece was somewhat rushed and I’ve just been trying to fix some of the more wild and woolly sections.

But, yes, people with high IQ test scores are, obviously, highly intelligent at doing IQ tests.

And, yes, IQ tests are often a useful indication of academic aptitude, which largely involves IQ-test-type mental functions. But when you see someone above arguing that Muhamed Ali was a gamma minus moron because of his army IQ test score of 78, you realize that gamma-minus morons can be highly articulate, individuals with very sharp logic circuits (and the follow up discussion with Cavett and Norman Mailer confirms the point).

It is not impossible that one day, without genetic engineering, sub-Saharan Africans and their close relations will be brought up to European average measured IQs ‘ but would you not bet against it?

Actually, the transformation has already occurred, with children of African immigrants to Britain outperforming white children in many communities.

…from a source that needn’t be mentioned. But you can figure it out.

“…Nearly 60% of male Chinese doctors are smokers, which is the highest proportion in the world.[4]”
Xin, Dingding (2009-12-11). “Smoke-free list extends to healthcare facilities”. China Daily.

That’s intelligent??? No, smoking is not intelligent!

Do you take Kevin Bird seriously? Here is a sample of his incisive criticism.

Do I take Kevin Bird more seriously than the four authors of Lasker et al. 2019? Yes.

Bird seems to be an actual scientist with credentials:

https://kevinabird.github.io/1_about.html
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinabird

He also publishes in reputable peer-reviewed journals (see his Google Scholar).

The authors of Lasker et al. in contrast are four dodgy individuals who primarily publish in less reputable journals including some that are fraudulent or phoney (e.g. OpenPsych journals that arn’t even formally peer-reviewed, see links below). Three of the authors (excluding Bryan Pesta) also have no scientific credentials whatsoever (sorry a BA in linguistics doesn’t count…) Lasker’s four publications are all in a single journal (Psych). Nowhere else is publishing him. Don’t you think this looks at least a bit suspicious? And ~80% of Kirkegaard’s and Fuerst’s citations are by themselves as authors/co-authors. Again, do you not find this suspicious?
http://closerlookattheissues.blogspot.com/2019/02/emil-kirkegaards-self-citations.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPsych#Criticism
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/OpenPsych_pseudojournals#Lack_of_peer_review

Psych the publisher of Lasker et al. is widely considered to be the ‘successor’ of OpenPsych, now inactive because it gained such a bad reputation. It’s mostly the same dodgy people who publish in both:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Psych_(journal)#Psych_as_OpenPsych_Version_2

Unlike OpenPsych, Psych at least uses formal peer-review. However, its quality has nonetheless been disputed. Psych is published by MDPI that has a long history of controversies and criticisms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI

Bird’s comment describing MDPI/Psych as “garbage” is clearly accurate.

Um, no. Race is not the only thing that matters. Would you expect whites at Harvard to have the same average IQ as whites in your local jail?

By subgroup I meant ethnic groups within each putative race. To me, this is the best evidence against hereditarianism and strong support for the environmental hypothesis because there is a big differences in IQs between many ethnic groups that are closely genetically related. The hereditarianism hypothesis instead predicts ethnic groups that are closely genetically related should have very similar IQ scores.

It is not I who is saying that, it is the US Army.
BTW, smooth talking might create the impression of high intelligence, but only to the superficial. Mr. “I am the greatest” was not the smartest.

I would suggest you avail yourself of the vast array of afrocentric style sites on the interwebz. Like almost all things black, they’re a poor facsimile of European things, with the White oriented sites being heavily laden with studies, research, well documented stats and evidence, while the afrocentric style ones almost invariably decide on a truth that is preferred, before outrageous, non contextual, historical cherry picking occurs, mixed in with great dollops of self serving fantasies. The levels of delusional White hating and blaming for black underperformance in the west is at once disturbing in its deep, DEEP, stupidity & vitriol and comical for its endlessly contrived displays of self reverence. I do feel embarrassed for them sometimes but, I usually start laughing again quite soon, so… no bother there.

But, it doesn’t really stop there does it? The race based shakedown is the biggest game in town for black America. The assertion that Whites are the stumbling block to full Wakanda being achieved is the generic go to argument for the astute black whiny man/woman in virtually every field where the claim can be made, eg, a White person lives within a five hour drive of a black person.

Without White people to blame fro any perceived black failing, a genuinely harmful malaise would overtake the self indulgent black soul, forcing blacks to look inward and would most likely be the catalyst for some long overdue introspection on personal responsibility and an addiction to the excuse culture that pervades black thought processes.

The hatred of Whites by a large proportion of blacks is actually highly public display and has been going on for quite some time. The reasons stated are clearly dishonest though, as can be observed by the unbroken river of blacks endlessly trying to live wherever Whites are engaged in the industrious, farsighted activities that create our mighty nations.

Thanks. Unfortunately I know of no useful data but the constant reiteration of “contemporary Americans/Australians/Whatever are not getting enough sleep” just makes me irritated that no one tests [or even posits] the hypothesis that need for sleep – at least in respect of some important functions of sleep – is normally distributed – and that the results of the research you cited were merely or largely the result of the competitive pressures of modern life.

I can’t help agreeing that failure to use one’s time well is huge. But surely I am right when I get much of my daily aerobic exercise bike while watching TV 😉 I mean, if only Ron could overcome his disdain for excellent documentaries like “9/11 – 102 Minutes that changed the world” he would surely take particular notice of the roaring red flames in the Towers and the vast volumes of smoke evidencing the scale of the fires and be tempted to give up his residual support for programmed demolition theories. (I watched that last night and it would take a Steven Spielberg to convince me that the evidence therein was faked of (i) planes flying into the towers, (ii) huge long lasting fires capable of weakening steel members; (iii) gravity producing collapse quicker in the tower where the weakness of support was lower down so the weight above was greater.

It is not I who is saying that, it is the US Army.

LOL. What do you mean by “that”? Apparently, you are saying that “that” was that Muhamed Ali was a gamma-minus moron. But it is untrue that the US Army said that. What the US army “said,” according to your citation, was that Ali had an IQ of 78, which is quite a different thing.

Rather it was you, who “said” by implication that Ali was a gamma-minus moron because of his supposed IQ of 78. But Ali clearly was not a gamma minus moron, as can be seen from his conversation with Cavett and with Norman Mailer. Thus the conclusion is evident: IQ does not measure intelligence. And the reason it does not measure intelligence is for the reason I have stated here.

But let us invite others to adjudicate the disagreement. How many who have watched those video clips of Ali speaking with Cavett and Mailer conclude that he was a gamma-minus moron, someone who, according to Jordan Peterson, would have been unable, because of their low IQ, to perform effectively in any form of employment.

I remember noting the apparent quick witedness in a later social setting of a fellow I had been at school with who like his brother, had had his IQ measured at about 80 according to records I had seen. In the case of Cassius Clay, he may have been smart enough to fake his IQ score to stay out of armed service. I also note the to me anomalous fact that the Flynn Effect has been most notable with “culture fair” tests like Raven’s Matrices. What that suggests to me is that they are not really culture fair but, as one can prove for oneself, susceptible to traiinng effects .

Not to repeat myself on this thread I am not sure what can be made of the Upper class Yoruba and Igbo beats White Trash argument. Jamaicans don’t seem to have upgraded their cognitive performances in the same way. And of course the days of six (white) siblings all going to Oxbridge are hardly even a distant memory. .

What you may have overlooked is the possibilty – high probability in fact – that IQ tests generally are valid as threshold tests. Mother and father are professors of physics and would love their son to be too. But he he has never scored more than 1.2 sds above average on an IQ test. Don’t bother would be the right advice. Don’t set yourself and parents up for disappointment.

Hush

What a waste of time I don’t read psychoses

You got that right. In spades.

Hush

Says the arrogant fool, who can neither read nor write, but can hate Whites. Well, at least you’re taking my advice about not complaining. Time to go on to something else.

“Take someone with high IQ and toss them into a jungle and make them survive. They won’t last 3 hours.”

Utter and complete bullshit that instantly shows you’ve never left your comfortable urban environment.

If you had any firsthand experience with any potentinally lethal natural environment, even as much as mountain hiking, you would have known that the most common reason of people killing themselves is abject stupidity. That is, inabililty to listen to instructions, understand them and follow them or inability to do basic assessment of risks and your own abilities.

Chicago is burning. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/breaking-massive-looting-underway-chicago-riots-continue-across-nation-watch-live/

Black Lives Matter engaged in massive widespread looting in Chicago on Sunday evening, once again. A caravan of vehicles was carrying dozens of looters from store to store, according to reports.. …

A Facebook user with the name Aero Finesses was enthusiastically livestreaming and encouraging the destruction while celebrating the amount of live viewers on his stream. Another Facebook user livestreamed himself looting Nike while broadcasting his own face and faces of other looters. Along with the vandalism and looting, cars were also being lit on fire. …

Looting was also taking place in Seattle, where a Whole Foods, Chase Bank and Starbucks were attacked.

Comment section:

I live downtown. I have heard non stop sirens for the last 4 or 5 hours. Nothing in the local news: Chicago Tribune, WGN, WLS? We can’t trust the media to give us the news anymore. This does not fit their narrative.

Have the Dems lost control of their Frankenstein?

Some of these businesses gave money to BLM I’m sure. … And this is what you get, your business looted.

The true image of the nation.

Black Loots Matter.

Excellent response–and true.

What does the data show? That is science, not argument from “reputation.”

Excluding Kevin Bird, look at the remaining 8 citations of Lasker et al. 2019 –

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?cites=3407205024582536480&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en

1. [PDF] Race Differences: A Very Brief Review
EOW Kirkegaard – Mankind Quarterly, 2019 – maistre.uni.cx

2. Race differences: a review
EOW Kirkegaard – 2019 – psyarxiv.com

3. Race differences
EOW Kirkegaard

4. [PDF] Human Biodiversity for Beginners: A Review of Charles Murray’s Human Diversity
EOW Kirkegaard – MANKIND QUARTERLY, 2020 – researchgate.net

5. [PDF] By Their Flags Ye Shall Know Them: National Flag Symbolism and Colors Predict Average Country IQ and HDI
S Koljević – Mankind Quarterly, 2020 – researchgate.net

6. Rushton, Jensen, and the Wealth of Nations: Biogeography and Public Policy as Determinants of Economic Growth
GB Christainsen – MANKIND QUARTERLY, 2020 – researchgate.net

7. Racial and ethnic group differences in the heritability of intelligence: A systematic review and meta-analysis
BJ Pesta, EOW Kirkegaard, Intelligence, 2020

8. Defending Biobehavioral Science
MA Sarraf, C Feltham – Modernity and Cultural Decline, 2019

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So 5/8 of these citations are self-citations by Kirkegaard, as author/co-author (including 3 versions such as preprints of his paper ‘Race Differences’ published in Mankind Quarterly) while 2 /8 are from different authors, but still published in the Mankind Quarterly. So more than half are MQ citations (if you include the preprints.)

So that leaves only one paper Sarraf et al. However, I Googled Matthew A. Sarraf and guess what? He’s published papers in MQ and has co-authored a paper with Kirkegaard…

All these papers are incestous. It’s basically a small group of individuals, many who co-author papers together and are associated with the MQ who cite each other’s work (virtually no one else is) in the controversial journal Mankind Quarterly – the website domain of which is owned by Kirkegaard.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly

Mankind Quarterly is a peer-reviewed journal that has been described as a “cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment”, a “white supremacist journal”,[1] an “infamous racist journal”, and “scientific racism’s keepers of the flame”

All of this I exposed 4 years ago, so it’s not a surprise they’re still doing the same dodgy old thing. None of this is a ‘guilt by association fallacy’.

The people that like them really like them a lot but they are a minority. Maybe kids are an exception to this.
More adults seem to like Mexicans or East Asians.

Much on the internet is a waste of time, most people shouldn’t be making videos. African-Americans are on the lower more wasteful end of the internet. Face it, there’s much better things watch than Frog Boy and Turdie Locks.

What you may have overlooked is the possibilty – high probability in fact – that IQ tests generally are valid as threshold tests.

Generally, perhaps, but with many exceptions.

For instance, what if Ali was illiterate — I don’t know if he was or not. There must be plenty of highly intelligent illiterates in the world, people unable to attend school regularly, dyslexics, or kids who for whatever reason do not relate to the educational process.

For someone who has attended school regularly, a low IQ test score may indicate an organic brain issue, but there are many other possible explanations, hence many highly intelligent people with modest to low IQ test scores, e.g., Richard Feynman, Louis Alvarez, William Shockley, among the greats in 20th century physics with barely half the IQ of Ron Unz.

Science is about more than just data but academic integrity, including research standards and ethics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_integrity

The individuals I criticised lack this which is (1) why they publish in dodgy/bad reputation journals (some don’t even have formal peer-review), (2) excessively self-cite themselves to deceptively make it seem lots of scientists pay attention to their work when virtually none are, and (3) are prone to bad research (serious methodological flaws, confirmation bias etc), the list goes on. However a random person who is not an academic or has had not a paper peer-reviewed is unlikely to understand this.

My comment at #165 referring to that of Franklin Rychaert at #162, to which I failed to link.

I enjoy the way you define the “hereditarian hypothesis” however you feel like. You really do need to learn what a straw man is–and stop using them. Or perhaps you can point me to someone who actually makes that argument?

? Look at most papers by Richard Lynn. He claims it is possible to estimate missing national IQ scores from the scores of nearby nations because he argues they will be similar because they are genetically similar. Since we also know genetic similarity is inversely correlated with geographical distance so populations nearby are genetically more similar than distant populations, meaning geographical distance maps genetic distance – the hereditarian hypothesis argues the “intelligence levels of people throughout the world vary consistently with their geographical location and race, even if there are considerable overlaps.” (Lynn, 2003)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780080437934500453

My argument in contrast, is we cannot estimate missing national IQ scores reliably from nearby nations because they are often not similar, secondly, correlation between geographical/genetic distance and IQ is too weak to support the hereditarian hypothesis. Becker and Rindermann (2016) report genetic distances and cross-national IQ differences are positively correlated (r = .37).
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691630174X

r = 0. 37 = r2 0.1369

So this means genetic (=geographical) distance explains only 14% of the total variation in IQ test scores differences between countries.

The actual figure is even lower, because Becker and Rindermann used Lynn’s inaccurate IQ data for Africa.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121155220.htm

No support at all for the hereditarian hypothesis.

Eysenck would have agreed with your implicit point about levelling the playing field. He insisted that the msin thing wrong with using the 11 Plus test was that there ought to be practice for it – confirmed to me by a successful engineer and Coirbyn supporter who recognised that his material success in life, and his older brother’s lack of it hsd been the result of his mother getting wise to what it took to get into a grammar school.

As to the allegedly low IQ scores of Feyn mman et al. I only know about Feynman’s alleged 125 and I don’t believe it. Jerry Pournelle knew him quite well and I wonder if Jerry ever told Ron or Steve Sailer whether he believed the 125.

But to take your concerns in that comment seriously, since I think they make a point worth raising. I believe the incestuous behavior you observe is generally caused by one of two reasons (any more suggestions?).
1. A group of people working with premises and/or methods which are incorrect.
2. A group of people working with premises, methods, and/or conclusions which are unacceptable politically.

2: No.

There’s no academic censorship in this debate. Hereditarians can get published in reputable peer-reviewed journals. Here’s an example (Rushton and Jensen, 2005):

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology,_Public_Policy,_and_Law

The dubious claim of censorship forms part of a victim/persecution complex common among many so-called HBDers, including (from what I’ve encountered) Nathan Cofnas. I’m not sure what they base this claim on since hereditarians have been published in mainstream science journals for decades. Where’s the censorship? There are also unfounded allegations HBDers have lost their jobs for their views. When I looked at these alleged cases though I found something completely different like Noah Carl.

Note my own field of expertise is extremely hard to publish in peer-reviewed journals, but I’ve never claimed I’m being censored – It’s hard for me to publish work in academia since very few academics are interested in the unusual stuff I choose to write about, so often my manuscripts get sent back as there are no specialist referees.

I’ll respond to your other points in another comment.

I don’t agree with your abhorrent views, but how do you think you are achieving anything for your own ‘movement’ when you sit on the internet all day like a nutcase, creating hundreds of accounts on social media, spamming abuse?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Coombs#2020_activity

Michael Coombs aka @mikemikev (suspended) is back as @R2D279247959 …

The founder of Neo-#Nazi Site Rightpedia, he's created more than 140 accounts in 10 years. pic.twitter.com/uNbRKFyjat

— John O'Connell (@jdpoc) April 21, 2020

Here’s a link. Just for you! Have fun!

https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/

As to the allegedly low IQ scores of Feynmman et al. I only know about Feynman’s alleged 125 and I don’t believe it.

LOL. The fact is well documented. Feynman’s intellect was not well rounded. His low level of literacy gave those at Princeton considering his application for admission to grad school grave cause for concern. Beyond the exposition of physics, Feynman’s command of language was modest, and his ideas uninteresting — as is true of Einstein. If you doubt that try The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen Scientist, perhaps the only book published in Feynman’s name that was actually written by Feynman, not ghosted. Even the Lectures on Physics, perhaps the world’s greatest physics text, was massively edited for publication.

Where’s the censorship? There are also unfounded allegations HBDers have lost their jobs for their views.

I find this response disingenuous at a minimum.

Do you honestly maintain that those researchers who want to investigate whether differences in IQ between blacks and whites have a genetic basis are completely free to do so? That there exist no institutional or societal obstacles to a free inquiry into this subject matter?

What happened to Jason Richwine when he dared to investigate this subject and report on his findings?

And what happened to Watson, arguably the greatest living scientist, when he suggested that perhaps genetics might account for some of the observed differences in intelligence between the races?

If they can ruin the life of such a famous scientist, and they have, only those with extreme courage (or crazy) would attempt to make a career out of such a field of study.

There are real costs to the investigation of these matters, as I am sure the author of this essay can attest.

I find this response disingenuous at a minimum.

That is because it is a troll account, nothing more.

Do you honestly maintain that those researchers who want to investigate whether differences in IQ between blacks and whites have a genetic basis are completely free to do so? That there exist no institutional or societal obstacles to a free inquiry into this subject matter?

Yes – absolutely. The idea there is censorship in this field is paranoia and unhinged victim/persecution complex. I’ve also observed ‘race realists’ go as far as fabricate claims to make themselves look like victims. This includes false rumours about myself trying to ‘shut down’ an ISIR conference with Antifa.

As for Watson, he had a long history of making sexist, homophobic, racist and other offensive comments. See the timeline of his offensive comments leading up to 2007:
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/15/18182530/james-watson-racist

Was he fired from his job? No. Watson had his administrative responsibilities from the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory suspended until there was an investigation, but he retired before that happened.

Watson apologised for his 2007 comments:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/18/nobel.apology/index.html

“I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said,” Watson said during an appearance at the Royal Society in London.

“I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways that they have.

Had he worded his comments differently, there would have been less outrage as he admits.

I have commented about this before – Watson’s suspension is not an example of hereditarianism views about race and intelligence being censored or silenced, but the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory getting fed up with Watson making offensive and embarrassing comments over a long period and damaging the reputation of the institute.

I read somewhere that Feynman taught himself Japanese so he could give a lecture series in Japan. Mind you, I don’t recall reading Japanese student reviews. You do bring to mind a young relation who topped sciences and maths and who was witty and went through clear thinking sections of English papers like a flash but only got pass marks in English. He seemed to explicitly treat English tests as threshold tests that he would pass.

it’s not just IQ tests that demonstrate the intellectual inferiority of blacks……..They are dumb. I mean seriously stupid. You have no idea.

Didn’t I just show above that the IQ of african-americans in the north-east states is 93, which is substantially higher, upto 26 points higher (average about 12 points higher), than all the white caucasian nations of the Middle-East and North Africa? And higher than 9 european nations? Didn’t that teach you that Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Greece, Serbia etc are all intellectually inferior to african-americans? Why not? You believe in IQ or not? Try to be honest and consistent. Why is that so hard for you guys?

Read this and weep:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-nobel-prize-laureates-per-capita

St. Lucia can claim the title for the most Nobel Prize Laureates per capita, with a rate of 10.81 per million people.

Unfortunately for your delusions St. Lucia is an afro-Caribbean nation.

It also has a nominal per capita income over \$11,600. Which is higher than that of East Asia & Pacific, Latin America, Middle-East & North Africa, South Asia, Central Asia, Arab World & ASEAN.

And higher than many european nations: Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Belarus, Macedonia, Moldova, Kosovo…..

Source: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD

And to put icing on the cake, St. lucia is a beautiful tropical island paradise:

https://qtxasset.com/styles/breakpoint_xl_880px_w/s3/travelagentcentral/1545411957/SimonDannhaueriStockGettyImagesPlusGettyImages.jpg/SimonDannhaueriStockGettyImagesPlusGettyImages.jpg?A0oZQ4nR0.hnf76hYlo2YQ.zQ_LzmJJ1&itok=Tw7OEf3c

I’d never heard of Jason Richwine but according to his Wikipedia page (that quotes a newspaper source) he resigned himself from The Heritage Foundation. So what was this supposed censorship meant to be? No one ever censored his controversial PhD dissertation or work.

More victim/persecution complex.

You people are so much like SJWs. You’re opposite political extremes, but have so many traits in common like victim complex. Horseshoe theory. SJWs love to make themselves victims, so do the HBD crowd.

‘Didn’t I just show above that the IQ of african-americans in the north-east states is 93, which is substantially higher…’

Apparently, you can’t read. At any rate, your post shows no evidence that you understood what I wrote.

‘…St. Lucia can claim the title for the most Nobel Prize Laureates per capita, with a rate of 10.81 per million people…’

Saint Lucia is a very small place. It has had two Nobel Laureates, one of whom was virtually white. So there was once a Black Nobel Laureate.

Did anyone ever claim all blacks are especially stupid? Your understanding of statistics would also appear to be deficient.

Are you black?

Yes that’s all true. There’s also huge variation in IQ test scores across countries in Sub-Saharan Africa, some are in 90s, but these are usually ignored and the typical ‘race realist’ will just fixate on the countries with low IQ scores in the 70s.

As I explained in my other comments, the fact you can find such huge variation in IQ test scores between different ethnic groups of the same putative ‘race’ (White, Black, East Asian etc) is a major blow to the hereditarian hypothesis because you end up with ethnic groups closely genetically related but with very different mean IQ test scores. To me, this is strong evidence for the environmental hypothesis.

And what happened to Watson, arguably the greatest living scientist

Worth pointing out here is the fact that James Watson was 16% african, and 4% asian:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22248094/ns/health-health_care/t/does-man-look-black-you/#.XzHgWRNKg1I

The african ancestry is not visible in his case, which is also true of many millions of other “white” caucasians, but it was quite visible in his “irish” grandmother:

the fact you can find such huge variation in IQ test scores between different ethnic groups of the same putative ‘race’ (White, Black, East Asian etc) is a major blow to the hereditarian hypothesis because you end up with ethnic groups closely genetically related but with very different mean IQ test scores. To me, this is strong evidence for the environmental hypothesis.

True, and well put.

What these simple-minded fools here fail to understand is that the mind does not belong in the same category as skin, muscle, hair, bone, pigmentation etc. The mind is a category of its own, about which science remains clueless, because it can’t explain consciousness.

Do you agree that the strong environmentalist hypothesis (0 genetic contribution to group differences in IQ) has been refuted decisively?

No. It hasn’t been refuted. Do I personally think zero genes is likely though? No. There’s a useful quote by Earl Hunt in his 2010 book where he says something like the debate shouldn’t be whether between-group heritability is 0% or 100%, but between 1 and 99%. Most experts think there is a genetic contribution.

More horseshoe theory for you. Who fixates on the 0%? HBDers and SJWs. The former and latter both restrict the environmental hypothesis to 0% (which it never was).

Here’s Jensen and Rushton with their “culture-only” straw-man as 0% genes:

The culture-only (0% genetic–100% environmental)

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

And here’s an SJW (Block, 1995) arguing the same thing:

http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/heritability.pdf

What’s funny is to someone like Block, my position of a trivial/minor % of genes is ‘racist’ and he goes on to criticise/reject Herbert (1994) who says “environmental conditions account for most of the disparity” (my view) because “most”, isn’t 100%.

Ok you’re claiming not censorship but persecution.

But what persecution?

The guy resigned himself after receiving a public backlash and harsh criticism for publishing a controversial paper arguing against immigration based on the fact certain immigrants have lower IQs., and then someone dug up his PhD thesis.

What’s the problem? It is an immoral and absurd view to oppose immigration, based on someone’s intelligence. So understandably there would be a backlash to these sorts of horrid views.

Ps. I hold ultra-controversial views myself on certain things, probably the most extreme here, and if I voiced them in certain places they would cause a negative emotional response and anger among many people. Would I though claim I’m persecuted for holding them? Nope.

Give up the victim complex.

James Watson was 16% african, and 4% asian

Correction: he was 16% african and 9% asian. So a full quarter non-white. Source for the correction, and his grandma’s pic:

https://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/12/james-watson-and-passing.html

It’s a fact that tri-racial mixes like Watson’s grandma (and likely someone else among his ancestors) look more ambiguous than two race mixes. Just look at the Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Brazilians etc for the examples.

Another example of a very famous part-african who passed for white, though he did not fool everyone (unlike Watson), was J Edgar Hoover, founder of the FBI, the most famous crime-fighter in American history. The FBI’s headquarters is named after him:

https://www.takimag.com/article/j_edgar_black_or_gay/

Hoover was widely rumored to be either a self-hating gay passing for straight, a self-hating mulatto passing for all-white, or both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover#Legacy

Biographer Kenneth D. Ackerman summarizes Hoover’s legacy thus:

For better or worse, he built the FBI into a modern, national organization stressing professionalism and scientific crime-fighting. For most of his life, Americans considered him a hero. He made the G-Man brand so popular that, at its height, it was harder to become an FBI agent than to be accepted into an Ivy League college.[80]

It’s a waste of time debating these people as they’re not going to ever change their viewpoint and they’re committed ideologues. Prior to a few days ago, I hadn’t debated here in 6 months. I have long gaps between these silly debates.

Speaking of legendary part-african crime fighters, check out the amazing life of Bass Reeves, cowboy crime-fighter, who probably was the inspiration for the Lone Ranger (played by a white actor, typically for Hollywood):

https://www.history.com/news/bass-reeves-real-lone-ranger-a-black-man

Though the quick-draw tale may sound like an adventure of the Lone Ranger, this was no fictional event. In fact, it was one of many feats of Bass Reeves, a legendary lawman of the Wild West—a man whose true adventures rivaled those of the outlaw-wrangling masked character. Reeves was a real-life African-American cowboy who one historian has proposed may have inspired the Lone Ranger.

Standing at 6 feet 2 inches, with proficient shooting skills from his time in the Civil War and his knowledge of the terrain and language, Bass was the perfect man for the challenge. Upon taking the job, he became the first black deputy U.S. marshal west of the Mississippi.

Widely considered impossible to pay off or shake up, Bass demonstrated a moral compass that could put even Superman to shame. He even went so far as to arrest his own son, Bennie, for murdering his wife.

As deputy marshal, Bass is said to have arrested more than 3,000 people and killed 14 outlaws, all without sustaining a single gun wound, writes biographer Art T. Burton, who first asserted the theory that Bass had inspired the Lone Ranger in his 2006 book, Black Gun, Silver Star: The Life and Legend of Frontier Marshal Bass Reeves.

“Bass Reeves is the closest real person to resemble the fictional Lone Ranger on the American western frontier of the nineteenth century,” Burton writes in Black Gun, Silver Star.

https://truewestmagazine.com/was-bass-reeves-the-real-lone-ranger/

The late 19th century saw the storied exploits of a real-life legendary deputy U.S. marshal named Bass Reeves. Several details made him unique. First, he was a former slave in Texas who never learned to read or write. Second, he overcame his handicap of being illiterate by memorizing the warrants and subpoenas he had to administer in Indian Territory (pre-state Oklahoma). Third, Reeves worked for 32 years and became a celebrity during his lifetime. During that era, blacks, whites and Indians were singing songs and telling stories about Reeves’s accomplishments in bringing in outlaws to the federal courts. Last, many of his personal attributes and techniques in catching desperadoes were similar to the Lone Ranger of fiction.

Tonto, from the Potawatomi nation, made his first appearance as the Lone Ranger’s sidekick on the twelfth episode of the radio show (Trendle grew up in Michigan, the traditional territory of the Potawatomi). In the Indian Territory, federal law mandated that deputy U.S. marshals take at least one posseman along to assist in field work. Many times, the possemen who worked with Reeves were Indians or black Indians, such as Grant Johnson. The Lone Ranger left silver bullets as his calling card. Reeves gave folks silver dollars to remember him by. The Lone Ranger worked in disguise, a technique Reeves regularly used to catch unsuspecting felons. The Lone Ranger rode a white horse named “Silver.” Research shows Reeves rode a gray that may have looked white in appearance.

One of the most interesting aspects of this correlation is that many of the 3,000 convicts arrested by Reeves were sent to the Detroit House of Corrections. This is the same city where the Lone Ranger character began in 1933. Although we cannot prove conclusively that Reeves was the inspiration for the Lone Ranger, he was the closest person in reality to imbue these characteristics.

Assertion: “Blacks” don’t waste their life embarrassing themselves day after day online for the entire world to read whining and complaining about “whites”

To which, directions are presented to help show the exact opposite exists in large quantities, as evidence against the assertion, followed by……

“What a waste of time I don’t read psychoses”

Gotta maintain the narrative, even if that entails denying the existence of anything that points out the fallacies propping it up. Why isn’t Africa a bastion of high level knowledge and human advancement, well it’s a damnable mystery huh? A riddle wrapped up in an enigma, tied together with twine of the deepest mystery.

Your comments offer a clinic in the use of logical fallacies.

A common practice among Internet trolls. Probably just a coincidence.

That is less than confidence inspiring and the lack of followup would seem to indicate the claim failed to hold up. Do you have any better evidence?

More convincing proof of your inability to think logically.

The lack of followup proves the exact opposite of what you think. It would be easy to disprove the genetic test results that found Watson to be 25% non-white. No one has been able to do that yet. Why?

What these simple-minded fools here fail to understand is that the mind does not belong in the same category as skin, muscle, hair, bone, pigmentation etc.

As far as we know, the brain is the seat of consciousness and thus “mind”. The brain is immune to evolution? There are no genes that influence the brain?

Please do explain in detail.

The mind is a category of its own, about which science remains clueless, because it can’t explain consciousness.

Untestable, therefore irrelevant. Do you believe in astrology? Phrenology? Palm reading? Just wondering.

You do bring to mind a young relation who topped sciences and maths and who was witty and went through clear thinking sections of English papers like a flash but only got pass marks in English

Yes, the reference to your young relative illustrates my point nicely. Note, though, that in the case you refer to there is a difference between cognitive capacities both of which an IQ test is designed to evaluate. But there are many other mental capacities of importance for human survival that are not assessed by an IQ test. Musical ability; the verbal gifts abundantly demonstrated in Ali’s conversation — gifts that obviously facilitate social dominance; path finding ability, essential to those who live in wildernesses such as the Australian outback or the Canadian Arctic; humor — so helpful in the seduction of a maid; creativity in its many forms — artistic, poetic, mechanical, scientific; battle management skill, essential to those in need of a kingdom, and so on and on.

IQ tests may be of value in some circumstances, but the notion that they measure general intelligence, or g, is nonsense, because there is no such thing. Yes, there a shared cellular and physiological substrate of all mental activity, but these generally account for only small correlations among abilities. Each of the main facets of intelligence depend on independent lobes, ganglia and neural networks, each with its own genetic determinants. Each also with its onw unique environmental history, which give rise to the large effects of culture and education on IQ test scores.

It’s a waste of time debating these people as they’re not going to ever change their viewpoint and they’re committed ideologues.

That is true. It is like arguing with brainwashed religious fanatics. But they serve as convenient punching bags to hammer your points home, and expose them for the immoral liars and irrational fools that they are.

I think you under rate the generalised manifestations of mental speed and good short term memory for which I note the work of Harpending et al on the side effects of certain typically Ashkenazic neurological diseases gives so.e support. Still, I have relations who have made me exasperated enough to complain that very high IQ is inadequate protection against complete foolishness.
On a more hopeful note: do you not agree that individuals’ requirements for sleep’s neurological efficiency functions is likely to be normally distributed and very important indeed to worldly success? Why is it not treated that way by all those repeating the mantra about us all needing our 7 to 8 hours a night?

On a more hopeful note: do you not agree that individuals’ requirements for sleep’s neurological efficiency functions is likely to be normally distributed and very important indeed to worldly success?

I don’t follow what you are saying, reflecting no doubt my ignorance. Are you suggesting that those who need less sleep are more successful in life? If so, it is not obvious to me why that should be so. But so little seems to be known about the function of sleep that the question of how an individual’s requirement for sleep affects worldly success would seem difficult to assess.

My own belief is that sleep evolved to save us from walking around in the dark and tripping on rabbit holes or stubbing our toes on unobserved rocks. But apparently there are other vital functions of sleep, the prolonged interruption of which leads to death, hence my inclination, when I feel a worry coming on, to close my eyes and doze a while.

By the way, what do you think of the idea floated in the Spectator that Brexit Britain should re-establish the Anglo-sphere, a free trade and free people movement zone including Australian, New Zealand, Canada and Britain. I thought about that while looking at the Daily Mail pictures of all the obese Brits blithely crowded together on Brighton beach and at other sunspots and wondered whether what were formerly known as the white dominions would really want all those fat Brits swarming over their beautiful beaches. I find it bad enough that the best beaches on Vancouver Island attract a smattering of Germans, Japanese, Chinese and Canadians from back East. Opening to the whole population of the UK would, in my view, be a complete disaster.

Lol, you two can easily open up a move theater with all that projection!

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My observation is that chief executives, Permanent Secretaries, admitals and generals and top politicians all (as far as I have been able to observe it – less for the military: that’s more theory and biography) all tend to get by on less than 6 hours sleep. And it just makes sense that someone who is alert to threats to his position and able to function effectively as a problem solver for more hours each day than those of equal cognitive ability (and other relevant characteristics) will tend to be more successful. How could it be otherwise?
My assumption of normal distribution is nased simply on the fact that many genes would be responsible, perhaps more than for height but less than for IQ. And it also fits observation well enough.
Unfortunately there are probably a lot of people damaging their help by truing to compete with those equipped by nature to need less sleep. I have also noted elsewhere the possibility that someone who only needs 4 hours a night for good mental function might need 7 for heart health.

Canada hasn’t enough beaches for frolicking. Australiawould hardly notice obese Brits if they went to WA and offered themselves as sharkbait.

Was it Andrew Roberts who wrote the Spectator piece? I used to know him quite well and he is certainly readable but I don’t see much in it for Australia though we should certainly take advantage of Brexit selectively with no more sentimentality than the 1790s upper classes were showing when they sent my first Australian ancestors here – much to the benefit I guess of my thousands of Australian cousins.

Thanks for that clarification and all your rigorous analysis provided here.

Research into the genetics of human behaviors, particularly research into differences between human populations, has always been a field fraught with danger for those scientists who have ventured into this domain.

The West will fall behind in this area of study simply because any idea challenging the egalitarian hypothesis will be attacked mercilessly. But the Chinese will continue to study the genetics of human behavior and invariably will discover genes that correlate with both higher and lower intelligence. Our society will continue to dismiss these findings as “racist” and pretend that only a hate filled person would believe that there might be differences in human populations in their ability to think and to be creative.

I recall watching the debate between Rushton and Suzuki and was amazed by how poorly Rushton was treated by Suzuki. This was many years ago and I have despised Suzuki ever since that time.

Look how bad Arthur Jensen was treated for daring to study this matter.

E.O. Wilson became a pariah for suggesting that human behaviors are influenced by genes. Leaders of this effort to discredit Wilson included SJ Gould and Lewontin, both of whom were celebrated by the great and the good as dispassionate scholars and men of high integrity.

Things have gotten worse since that time with the celebration of clear lightweight thinkers such as Amy Harmon and the destruction of men like James Watson.

The censorship over uncomfortable ideas will continue I am sure. Furthermore, the significant gaps in achievement and criminal behavior between the races will continue to be explained by the immoral and racist behavior of the evil white man.

Alabama Governor Big Jim Folsom, an authentic New Dealer who served in the late forties and middle fifties, responded to a complaint that his social welfare spending was also helping the niggers by saying, “God-damnit! Niggers is people too.”

I have discussed this before in my other comments elsewhere. My view is the only reasonable argument to limit immigration is based on environmental concerns about overpopulation and unsustainable population growth including people moving from countries with low carbon emissions to countries with high carbon emissions. However, it only makes sense for people making this argument if they are child-free and who want to drastically decline fertility rates everywhere, including most importantly in the West.

You can easily spot racists or white nationalists misusing population growth arguments to limit immigration since they have kids themselves and/or don’t want to cut fertility rates in the West.

An example is David Brower of the Sierra Club who wanted to restrict immigration allegedly over concerns about overpopulation and unsustainable population growth, yet himself had four children and promoted large families among whites. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brower#Rejoins_and_resigns_from_board

Recently I have seen Steve Sailer bang on about overpopulation to limit immigration, yet he himself has kids and has no interest in declining fertility rates in the West.

Thanks for answering your own question.

Your dubious claim is someone who makes an outrageous/offensive comment and is denounced or receives a public backlash is “persecuted”.

So in your view is someone who promotes something as controversial as a terrorist group and in response who receives a lot of harsh criticism, “persecuted”?

You’ve not presented any evidence hereditarians are actually censored or persecuted. If someone makes an offensive comment and there is a strong negative emotional response – this isn’t “persecution”.

You also laughably claimed I have “persecuted” people.

As I said you have a lot in common with SJWs who share your victim complex.

It is to Kevin Bird’s credit that he at least seems to be trying to engage in somewhat substantive fashion with the Lasker et al. paper. I am a bit disappointed that the Lasker et al. coauthors have not engaged with Bird’s paper (to my knowledge, beyond Emil’s tweet which I linked in the earlier thread), but my understanding is they are waiting for it to pass peer review and be published officially.

No one else takes Lasker et al. serious, so don’t bother to respond. Bird’s preprint is the only independent citation of the paper (as I showed the other 8 citations are by co-authors of Lasker et al. and the dodgy MQ journal most of the same co-authors regularly publish in).

As proof virtually no one takes the co-authors serious:

If you take a look at one of the co-authors, John Fuerst, you will see almost no one is citing his work apart from himself and Kirkegaard, plus a couple of racists at MQ.

The paper listed at the top of his Google Scholar has 42 citations.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?oi=bibs&hl=en&cites=8003298242431943073

Nearly all of them are by Kirkegaard and the few rest are Fuerst himself and people associated with MQ.

I will probably file a report to get these idiots banned from Google Scholar for abusing the citation metrics. How the hell can you have a paper with 42 citations when about 35 are by one person?

I think his paper is a combination of FUD and goalpost moving. For an example of the latter, see Table 1. If EA/IQ h^2 is 0.5 (which seems a low value based on estimates in the literature, yet he uses values of 0.15, 0.35, and 0.5 for his calculations) he estimates 16-18% of global IQ variance is attributable to “additive genetic differentiation.”

Is certainly not a low value – Jensen massively inflated within-group heritabilities:

As it happens, there is good evidence that Jensen’s estimates of IQ heritability are indeed inflated. Plomin and DeFries (1980) reviewed a large body of modern data that jointly indicated that the broad heritability of IQ in contemporary Western populations is around .50, rather than the .75-.80 that Jensen estimated.

– Mackenzie, 1984
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1985-25462-001

In the not too far distant future genetic correlates associated with robust measures of G unlikely to be influenced by the environment, such as backward digit span, will be discovered. These genetic correlates will be found to be more prevalent in certain human populations and therefore less prevalent in other human populations.

Despite this discovery our culture will continue to be dominated by those who insist that any differences in intellectual accomplishment or civilizational achievement between the races has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with white racism.

And they will continue to be as certain in their belief in the egalitarian fiction as they are now.

Count on it.

The Catholic Church persecuting those who thought Earth revolves around the sun has nothing on the piety and intolerance of the modern egalitarian fundamentalists.

And it just makes sense that someone who is alert to threats to his position and able to function effectively as a problem solver for more hours each day than those of equal cognitive ability (and other relevant characteristics) will tend to be more successful. How could it be otherwise?

It doesn’t make sense to me to draw that conclusion if one knows nothing of the function of sleep. There is reason to believe that sleep is necessary for the processing of information, but we don’t know what that processing entails. If it impacts judgement, maybe the more sleep the better.

Donald Trump seems not to sleep much, devoting the time thus saved to Tweeting. But I am not convinced that that does him or anyone else much good.

Canada hasn’t enough beaches for frolicking.

That may not be exactly true, but may the world long believe it.

You’re displaying another bizarre mental complex of hereditarians/’race realists’ – the Galileo gambit which has overlapping traits with persecution complex-

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Galileo_gambit

It puts you in the same boat as global warming deniers and creationists (see examples on the page).

In reality, taking up the mantle of Galileo requires not just that you are scorned by the establishment but also that you are correct — that is, that the evidence supports your position.

The gambit takes many forms, but in most cases someone using it to promote their ideas will highlight their perceived persecution. This supposed persecution is blown out of all proportion until an observer almost has no choice but to accept their ideas practically as a sympathy vote. Such tactics are used in the “documentary” Expelled No Intelligence Allowed, which focused on several academics who supposedly lost jobs because they promoted intelligent design as a valid hypothesis. The film portrayed this as a violation of academic freedom, and played the persecution card extensively. Among those capable of indulging this gambit, mere opposition to their crankery alone may be sufficient to induce the belief that they are being persecuted, and hence, were right all along.”

I took credit at RationalWiki for exposing and criticising a phoney/fraudulent journal and the dodgy people connected to it. My criticisms in those articles are shared by almost everyone.

Run a Twitter search for OpenPsych and have a good laugh:

https://twitter.com/search?q=OpenPsych&src=typed_query
https://twitter.com/search?q=OpenPsych&src=typed_query&f=live

All the other claims about my activities on RationalWiki are false rumours and lies circulated by Emil Kirkegaard. For example, he tried to blame the Bo Winegard article onto me, when I never created it and have nothing against Winegard. Most recently he’s tried to blame a Twitter account attacking Winegard named Creed Barron (or something similar) I don’t own.

“the only reasonable argument to limit immigration is based on environmental concerns about overpopulation”

May I suggest that both you and Mr. Smith review your concept of rights. Smith might invite comment on his notion of the right to immigrate from America’s residual population of Indians, Australia’s aborigines, or perhaps even the ghosts of Canada’s long exterminated Beothuk tribe of Nova Scotia.

Concerning your remark:

It seems to me everyone has a basic human right to reproduce at a replacement fertility rate.

you do realize that this would pretty much end the process of natural selection, leading not only to a standstill in human evolution but a progressive decline in the fitness of the population as deleterious genetic changes accumulate in the gene pool?

Rights can only be granted by the ruling power, which theoretically, is the people in a democracy. Thus Smith’s idea that the interests and preferences of the people can be ignored in determining who, if anyone, has the right of immigration is a total non-starter for a sovereign democratic state.

Your claim that ” everyone has a basic human right to reproduce at a replacement fertility rate,” though it might fly in a referendum, is for the reason I stated, not a good idea. Clearly, a rational public policy will promote the fertility of the fittest, the better to equip future generations with the chance of survival. To that end, it seems to me that a democratic state with intelligent leaders could, and should, persuade the public of the need for:

(a) the imposition of severe restraints on welfare reproduction, which would not be difficult to achieve if it were not for all the bleeding hearts and social workers anxious to generate as many unproductive people as possible, and

(b) the reversal of the present negative relationship between female fertility and fitness/intelligence (roughly assessed by family tax payments).

Objective (a) can be achieved by fairly obvious means it would be tedious to discuss here. Objective (b) could be achieved by providing large tax breaks based on the incomes of both parents, which would be paid in cash to mothers for life. This would grant substantially increased financial security to intelligent women who favor motherhood over career.

Your points (1) through (3) make a conclusive case against the Treason Party’s genocidal program of mass immigration to the Western democracies.

Ron,
I have been following this immigration debate and Race and IQ debate for some time.
I was wondering if you had any solid numbers for what the flynn-adjusted IQs of our various immigrant groups should be?
Like, what is the IQ difference between Hispanics and Whites, or what is the difference between Whites and Middle Easterners/South Asians, etc.
Has anyone really estimated those numbers?
I feel like looking at 4th or 5th generation would be a good way of figuring this out, but I’ve haven’t seen anyone actually research those figures.

So you are “probably the top article creator” at RationalWiki but have nothing to do with ANY of those hit pieces? Interesting.

Yes. Because 95% of my article creations aren’t about individuals. I made only around a dozen pages on individuals out of hundreds of pages. The vast bulk of my page creations and edits aren’t about people. Like Kirkegaard you totally misrepresent my activity. As an example I created most of RationalWiki’s pages on palaeo-anthropology topics (including models of human origins), non-Darwinian evolution and alternative cosmology. How are those ‘hit pieces’?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Multiregional_hypothesis
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Assimilation_model
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Recent_African_Origin_hypothesis
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Non-Darwinian_evolution
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alternative_cosmology

The idea I was using to site to ‘harass’ people is blatant misinformation – the vast bulk of my edits and page creations aren’t on individuals but science topics and get good feedback. Regardless, I no longer edit the wiki. I only link to its articles if they are useful in a discussion.

And this makes clear you were lying in comment 238.

No it just makes you dishonest and quoting out of context.

I said in my comment #238 above that I created the articles on people connected to OpenPsych.

Noah Carl is OpenPsych’s second top article contributor, and also sits on its ‘review’ team.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah_Carl#OpenPsych

So I’ve not lied about anything. More of your projection.

P.S. Since you have no problem with attack pages and seem to have high standards for what constitutes persecution, let’s include a link to this.
Rationalwiki’s (Oliver D. Smith’s) attack page about me

I don’t generally care what Kirkegaard writes about me because he’s spread lies and wild allegations about me for 4 years and no one who knows me and has read that page takes any of the preposterous claims serious. I’ve never bothered writing a detailed rebuttal.

What though I did block from a search engine and may take legal action against is Kirkegaard uploading old photos of myself with ‘pedophile’ written on it on his website. But then again, I’m not sure if I will go ahead and sue for defamation since I know I’m not a pedophile, so why should I really care about someone who is my my opinion extremely unhinged writing lies about me who lives 5000 miles away? This has always been generally my attitude. I support freedom of speech far more than Kirkegaard does.

Re: everyone has a basic human right to reproduce at a replacement fertility rate.

P.S. I’m curious how you feel about the group vs. individual version of my statement.

If by group, one means sovereign state, then there is no body that can confer or deny the right to reproduce at whatever rate the people or its government chooses. I suppose the UN might try to jaw-bone states such as Nigeria (projected population of 800 million within eighty years) to slow down a bit. But I see no obvious means of enforcing such an objective short of war and oppression.

So long as humanity remains organized on the basis of sovereign states, population policy, if any, will be determined primarily on a national basis. The rational objective of population policy should reflect the need for national security, most fundamentally the ability of the nation to continue to exist as a genetic entity. (One might say continue to exist as a race, but that would likely lead to an unproductive diversion on the definition of race and the relation of race to nation, etc. Better than either term might be “bearers of a gene pool,” but that sounds weird.)

As a question concerning national survival, population policy must consider both quantity and quality. The probability is that the Western nations are grossly overpopulated. Whereas, in times past, most work was achieved by muscle power, human or four-footed, today there is virtually no demand for a “labor” force. Moreover, whereas wars used to be settled by mass armies slugging things out with pikes and bayonets, the outcome of the next big war may already have been settled by the coding of critical computer systems. In future, therefore, national survival will surely depend on a population policy focused on quality.

In times past, the wealthy tended to produce more surviving offspring than the poor. Insofar as intelligence in all its manifestations generally favors the acquisition and retention of wealth, humans have thus long been under selection for intelligence. Democracy, however, has changed the rules in such fashion as to favor reproduction by the poor not the rich. In the interest of national security, this needs to be reversed and could be reversed, for example through the application of intelligence to public policy relating to taxation, quota hiring of women (or is it people with a cervix we now have say), public education (i.e., state-controlled propaganda), and reproduction on the dole.

It seems to me everyone has a basic human right to reproduce at a replacement fertility rate.

For clarification, I do no support any coercive measures to prevent people procreating. If someone wants 1, 3, 5, 10 or 22 children they have the right to do so. And I oppose any form of eugenics.

My position is simply voluntary childlessness. People have the choice not breed. Simple.

As for non-coercive ways to cut fertility rates: the most humane and practical way is empowering women by giving them the full opportunity of education. The number of years a woman has spent in education is usually inversely correlated with the number of children she will bear in her lifetime.

On top of this, people can simply learn why deciding not to have children is the most environmentally positive thing. For example, being child-free is the most effective method to reduce carbon emissions.

Most countries in the West are currently below replacement fertility.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate

Are you seriously arguing that they should do the following?
1. Limit their own fertility further.
2. Allow immigration from countries with high fertility like Nigeria (5.4).
3. Not say anything about reducing fertility rates in high fertility countries.

1. Yes. For example, in the US the carbon footprint of a child is roughly 58.6 metric tonnes annually, whereas that of a Malawian child has been estimated between 0.07 and 0.1 metric tonnes. Or to use another example, a person in the UK produces 70 times the CO2 of someone in Niger.

If you’re concerned about the environment and the climate crisis, we have to drastically cut fertility rates in the Western world. ‘Mythbusting’ what you posted is also explained well here –

“BIRTH RATES ARE LOW IN EUROPE AND AMERICA – THIS IS JUST AN ISSUE FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.”

“People in the developed world, such as Europe and America, have a disproportionate impact on the planet. For example a person in the UK produces 70 times the CO2 of someone in Niger. That means that fewer people being born in these countries has the most immediate and positive impact on our environment, climate and sustainability.”

https://populationmatters.org/mythbusting

2. I would support restricting immigration from any countries with low per capita carbon emissions to high per capita, as well as supporting balanced migration to prevent population growth. However there seems to me no humane or practical way to do this, so it’s futile. Anyone who wants to limit immigration will (understandingly) become associated with accusations of racism and xenophobia, because limiting immigration is a talking point of right-wing populists and the ‘far-right’. Since there’s no humane or practical method, it’s not something I now dwell on, although I used to talk a lot more on this issue like a decade back because mainstream politicians then were too afraid to tackle or even mention it. That’s no longer really the case today because of the rise of populism since the mid-2010s (Brexit, Trump, etc).

3. Certainly they are overpopulated too like everywhere and I support declining fertility in every country, but the reason I focus more on declining fertility rates in the West is explained in 1.

Speaking of Afro-Caribbeans, Biden just picked Kamala, the daughter of Jamaican-born Stanford Professor, Donald Harris as his running mate:

You mean by quoting your own comments?

Rereading your comment 238 I do see your “dodgy people connected to it” statement which is enough of a qualification that is was unfair of me to call that a lie.

That said, in the interest of transparency perhaps you could outline which RationalWiki pages on individuals you have edited under which specific usernames? I would not want to misrepresent your activities.

I have been clear since day one when I’ve discussed the articles (contrary to Kirkegaard’s many misleading claims and lies about my activities) I created the OpenPsych and MQ:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/OpenPsych_pseudojournals
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Emil_Kirkegaard
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gerhard_Meisenberg
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah_Carl
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Aurelio_J._Figueredo
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_G.R._Fuerst
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Heiner_Rindermann
(not a full list, but the bulk of them)

Note though these articles have been edited by different users over the years and the current pages look little like how I originally made them in 2016-2018 and I don’t necessarily agree with all the edits, nor am I responsible for those I didn’t make.

If it’s not someone associated with OpenPsych or MQ, it’s very unlikely I created it.

I have already explained why I focused on OpenPsych and MQ – the former is a phoney journal that has no formal peer-review, and the people who publish in it are dodgy. And the latter is an infamous racist journal that has been widely criticised since the 1960s, so it also attracts dodgy people.

All the other pages on legitimate/non-dodgy intelligence researchers on RationalWiki (i.e. people not publishing in OP/MQ)- I never created nor have an issue with, however, Kirkegaard has blamed me for writing them with the intention of causing animosity between me and these people. And this includes people emailing me legal threats for content I’ve not even written based on Kirkegaard’s unfounded allegations. Furthermore, I believe it was Kirkegaard’s strategy to misrepresent me as an “SJW attacking intelligence researchers” to discredit me, when that was never what I was doing.
Nevertheless, a bunch of his close friends (uncritically) copied his falsehoods.

As an example I did not create either of the Bo and Ben Winegard articles:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ben_Winegard
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bo_Winegard

The latter was created last month and I’ve never made a single edit on it:
https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Winegard&action=history

These brother’s are followed around by SJWs, not me.

Nor did I create Richard Haier, Robert Plomin or Intelligence (journal):

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert_Plomin
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Haier
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligence_(journal)

I disagree with much what is written on Haier’s & Plomin’s article and they should be deleted. I also never created the Eric Turkheimer and Kathryn Paige Harden articles.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_Turkheimer

Note I banned the creator of these articles and voted to delete them. Harden’s article was deleted for pure character assassination and lies, and Turkheimeer’s was completely re-written after I left complaints.

10:16, 1 May 2019 Tobias (talk | contribs) blocked CBH (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Harassment: troll who was creating attack pieces with lies that have had to be completely rewritten like Eric Turkheimer))
https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ACBH

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Eric_Turkheimer

So as you can see it’s complete BS and an absurd lie I “attack intelligence researchers”.

I oppose any form of eugenics.

As for non-coercive ways to cut fertility rates: the most humane and practical way is empowering women by giving them the full opportunity of education.

LOL

Your not for eugenics but you wish to promote dysgenics by further lowering the fertility of the most educable women, i.e., the most intelligent.

Crazy, or worse.

So if you forced me to take a guess, I’d suspect that on a fully environment-equalized basis, Hispanics in America would have IQs something like 3-5 points below the white mean, probably (like East Asians) somewhat higher in Spatial and somewhat weaker in Verbal.

I’ve noticed that Meztizo Hispanics are disproportionately concentrated in professions in which one needs strong hands-on skills, like carpentry, construction, home repair, etc. I wonder if this could reflect their relatively strong spatial skills.

I’ve also noticed that “White” Hispanics (like Cubans) seem to do much better in verbal careers, like politics and entrepreneurship. Maybe they skew more towards verbal and less towards spatial.

It seems that the time Trump gives to extending his ad lobbing self into the Twittersphere has been an indispensable element in the extraordinary swathe he cut through a big Republican field and then captured the electoral college votes where it counted so it did him good if you don’t believe in an afterlife! Apparently Margaret Thatcher was notoriously on top of her many briefs and able to catch out her sleepier colleagues. And then there are those ubion officials who control political parties because everyone else is too exhausted by 3 am…. Mind you I think much of that achievement is often alcohol fuelled and so those woth the healthier livers may have an additional advantage m.

I don’t know what dsygenics is, so Googled it.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dysgenic

tending to promote survival of or reproduction by less well-adapted individuals (such as the weak or diseased) especially at the expense of well-adapted individuals (such as the strong or healthy)

I don’t see how you got this from my views and argument.

It seems that the time Trump gives to extending his ad lobbing self into the Twittersphere has been an indispensable element in the extraordinary swathe he cut through a big Republican field…

If Trump ever got a decent night’s sleep maybe he’d say something sensible. As it is, he has Twittered away so much credibility with his late-night driveling that he headed for near certain defeat by the serial plagiarizer, past opponent of desegregation and clearly demented Joe Biden.

“Africans carry surprising amount of Neanderthal DNA
By Michael PriceJan. 30, 2020

For 10 years, geneticists have told the story of how Neanderthals—or at least their DNA sequences—live on in today’s Europeans, Asians, and their descendants. Not so in Africans, the story goes, because modern humans and our extinct cousins interbred only outside of Africa.

A new study overturns that notion, revealing an unexpectedly large amount of Neanderthal ancestry in modern populations across Africa. It suggests much of that DNA came from Europeans migrating back into Africa over the past 20,000 years. ”

Perhaps we can focus on the energetic plumber with an IQ of 100 who worked at plumbing 15 hours a day and spent 4 hours researching the real estate opportunities he saw thanks to his plumbing – now construction and real estate holding – business which puts him in some Forbes list.

For example, being child-free is the most effective method to reduce carbon emissions.

One of the authors of the Lasker study, Kirkegaard, filed a defamation suit against you.

What was the outcome?

I noticed Kirkegaard mentioned the suit on his website, and elsewhere a while back, but suddenly went silent and nothing about it has been mentioned since.

I assume given his change from mentioning it and almost boasting he was suing you, to silence, the outcome was not so good for Kirkegaard. Or am I mistaken?

He lost the lawsuit by discontinuance (he won £0 damages) and is liable to pay my legal costs. It is though taking me a long time to sort out the latter – I’m still working on the bill of costs and money he owes me.

Of course as you noted his behaviour changed. Until he realised he lost, he was harassing me across the internet about it with his friends (I got comments such as I “would be made bankrupt” and “100% lose”) and uploading legal letters and documents to his website to intimidate me. He loses, and then he all of sudden goes silent about it… Obvious humiliation and his only strategy now is to try to brush it under the carpet.

I don’t know what dsygenics is, so Googled it.

You mean you didn’t know. But since you just looked it up, presumably you do know now, unless you already forgot.

tending to promote survival of or reproduction by less well-adapted individuals (such as the weak or diseased) especially at the expense of well-adapted individuals (such as the strong or healthy)

I don’t see how you got this from my views and argument.

Your idea was:

As for non-coercive ways to cut fertility rates: the most humane and practical way is empowering women by giving them the full opportunity of education.

so why not think about that a bit.

You’re saying female education cuts the fertility rate, so the more education a woman has the fewer children she will have.

And which women will have the fewest children?

QED, right?

Perhaps we can focus on the energetic plumber with an IQ of 100 who worked at plumbing 15 hours a day and spent 4 hours researching the real estate opportunities he saw thanks to his plumbing …

This plumber sounds an awful bore. A sort of blue-collar Trump. He should work less, get a prescription for sleeping pills and try to develop some worthwhile cultural or intellectual interests. For example, he could take up collecting antique plumbing hardware, toilet seats and the like, an activity that might, by virtue of the Flynn Effect, raise his modest IQ by a point or two.

Agree of course.

But then I could not understand why anyone would be confused based on your original comment.

You’re saying female education cuts the fertility rate, so the more education a woman has the fewer children she will have.

And which women will have the fewest children?

QED, right?

Women who stay in education the longest usually have the fewest children, but women who spend longest in education won’t necessarily all be smart. What is the average IQ of a university student? Seems to vary a lot depending on the subject studied.

Anyway, my concern and argument has nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence.

There are more humane (non-coercive) and practical methods to reduce fertility rates, not just empowering women through opportunity of education. I only mentioned the latter because it has been very effective in reducing fertility rates (see the charts or diagrams I already posted).

One might point out that women in the Western world already have good opportunities to a long education, however, there is still sexism that prevents them from having equal opportunities such as in jobs. Some women opt to stay at home and have kids because of encountering sexism, so they choose kids over career. I would like to see that reversed.

Actually it only quotes one of Kirkegaard’s tweets when he uses the odd term:

“Dysgenics is real. Eugenics or Western civilization dies. Choose wisely.”

Dysgenics > eugenics look very similar. Most people not familiar with the word would think they’re the same thing. Furthermore, when this quote was first added to the page in 2018, dysgenics was not mentioned because of probable confusion with the same word.

https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Emil_Kirkegaard&diff=1965082&oldid=1963858

Eugenics

Nonsurprisingly for a far-right racist, Kirkegaard is supporter of [[eugenics]], writing without eugenics, “Western civilization dies”.
http://archive.is/URqek

I have no familiarity with the term, nor likely do other editors on the article.

perhaps I’m mistaken but I had the clear impression that you’d never previously bothered to read my long series of articles on Race/IQ

I have read one or two of your articles on race versus IQ and thought them informative and interesting. However, your assumptions about that question are open to challenge on several grounds. For example, you say,

Although “intelligence” may be difficult to define precisely, most people have accepted that IQ scores seem to constitute a rough and measurable proxy for this trait

Here I think is reflected a widespread and serious misapprehension, or rather two misapprehensions: namely, (1) that intelligence is a “trait” rather than a collection of traits; and (2) that intelligence is independent of the environmental history 0f the organism, e.g., education, but by no means limited to that (which is why country folk, are smarter than city folk at distinguishing a bull from a cow).

In this assumption, you take the IQist view, that IQ tests provide an estimate of a property called “general intelligence,” or for greater scientific cred., just g – as basic as a fundamental constant in physics. But for reasons that I have noted briefly here, the brain isn’t like a computer. There is no central processing unit that determines computing power, FLOPS or IQ. Rather:

The brain is the product of evolution. It is built on the Rube Goldberg principle. A bunch of junk put together and then endlessly tested in the struggle for existence, endlessly modified by mutation, and endlessly retested.

The end product of this evolutionary process does all kinds of amazing things in amazing ways, but not in the neat tidy ways a good engineer would design things to work, but maybe completely crazy ways, but ways that work nevertheless — somehow, just…

The result is that intelligence is not one thing. It is not the product of one bit of brain or one brain module. It is the product of numerous neurological modules and networks, each doing its own thing, each dependent on its own particular structure and biochemistry, each subject in its development to its own set of controlling genes. Did you know that, in the male brain, there’s even a specialized knot of neurons that seems to have no function except to light up at a girl’s smile? Cool.

And that’s why intelligence is not a “trait”, singular, and why IQ tests don’t measure intelligence.

Yes, IQ tests measure competence at various intellectual tasks, competence at which may, if combined with other advantageous traits, promote material and social success in Western society. But those competences are of a narrow range and depend for maximum expression on extensive Western-style education. There are many other forms of intelligence, as the dictionary defines that term, and different forms of intelligence depend on different neurological systems, the genetic determinants of which, in the individual, vary more or less independently, and the phenotypic expression of which depend on the environmental history, including education, of the individual.

So attempting to rank people differing in race, culture or creed by means of an IQ test is absurd. You can compare Paganini with Pearlman and perhaps decide who is the better violinist, or you can compare Feynman with Clerk Maxwell to decide who was the greater physicist. But to compare Einstein with J.S. Bach or W. Shakespeare to decide who is most intelligence is ridiculous. Those guys were each among the best at at what they were best at, and what the three were best at were different things, each with a distinct neurological and experiential basis. And beside what they were best at, they may have been complete clutzes.

I agree with your views on race/race and IQ, excluding this one issue:

https://www.unz.com/runz/does-race-exist-do-hills-exist/

Today, when people speak of “races” they are almost invariably referring to the continental-scale mega-races such as Asians, Africans, and Europeans. These “races” certainly exist and are highly meaningful and distinct in genetic terms, with blogger Steve Sailer slyly noting that the cover of Prof. Luca Cavalli-Sforza definitive tome on human genetic diversity displays a colored worldwide map looking much like what Sen. Strom Thurmond in his dotage might have drawn on a napkin with crayons.

But I would argue that restricting the term race to merely that small handful of huge groupings is extremely wasteful and we are far better off also applying the term to its traditional meaning, typically aimed at much smaller population groups. One hundred years ago, every educated individual casually used phrases such as “the Anglo-Saxon race,” “the Hungarian race,” and “the Chinese race,” and this is exactly the usage to which we should restore. To be sure, these particular genetic population clusters are naturally grouped into higher-level clusters as well—with Russians, Ukrainians, and Poles all being branches of the larger Slav race, itself a component of the European mega-race, but the word can remain flexible in scale without producing any serious confusion. All these groups are exactly the sort of natural statistical clusters that regularly appear during genetic population analysis, and we might as well use the traditional popular term for them rather than inventing an entirely new one.

In contrast what I argue is only those ‘smaller population groups’ are meaningful to population genetics and bio-medicine, not aggregates/clusters of them at the continental level (it’s incorrect the small populations are naturally grouped into higher-level clusters; any clustering is arbitrary.) I therefore like William W. Howell’s change of Livingstone’s (1962) aphorism “There are no races, there are only clines” –> to “There are no races there are only [local] populations”.

I find larger-scale/continental groups aren’t at all useful to study, unless analysing traits under climatic selection. Similar conclusions were reached by the anthropologist Grover Krantz (Climatic Races and Descent Groups, 1980) yet few people have read that book.

I submitted deletion request pages for all my RationalWiki articles on individuals. If they’re causing conflicts, delete them – I don’t want the hassle.

Anatoly Karlin, Emil Kirkegaard, etc., could have had their pages deleted.

So what happened?

Well, these same people who complained I wrote hit-pieces on them like you are complaining now voted to keep their articles I voted to delete. You really couldn’t make it up…

Karlin has trailed me across the internet for 2 years moaning about his page, when I requested and voted for its deletion out of good faith:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Articles_for_deletion/Anatoly_Karlin

Now who voted to keep the article despite still complaining about it non-stop:

Keep. As the “subject”, I get a vote, right? The world must be made aware of my insane levels of hate. Akarlin (talk) 00:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Yep Anatoly Karlin voted to keep his article when I voted to delete it.

I always told you I was not dealing with sane people.

I gave these people who complain about the articles an opportunity to delete them but they refused, but these people still follow me across the internet complaining about their pages. Karlin has made like 100 tweets complaining about his RationalWiki, while attacking me (despite he voted to keep his page I wanted deleted). It’s insane.

As you have most likely noticed, I responded to yours at #275 with a comment at #276, inadvertently doing so without a link back.