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Saturday is a relative slow day in my household, so it felt somewhat of a rebuke to read on the BBC that the Tsimané people have an ideal lifestyle, walking some 17,000 steps a day, as compared to the lethargic wealthy West, who aim for 10,000 daily steps but rarely take them.

Those of you who are too sunk in lassitude to read the news item will probably certainly not strain yourselves to click on the link to the Lancet article on which the item is based.

Let me save you time and effort by summarizing the main points:

The Tsiname people do not have clogged arteries.

17% of their diet is game including wild pig, tapir and capybara (the world’s largest rodent). 7% is freshwater fish including piranha and catfish. Most of the rest comes from family farms growing rice, maize, manioc root (like sweet potato) and plantains (similar to banana), topped up with foraged fruit and nuts

72% of calories come from carbohydrates compared with 52% in the US. 14% from fat compared with 34% in the US, Tsimane also consume much less saturated fat. Both Americans and Tsimane have 14% of calories from protein, but Tsimane have more lean meat.

Since it is the BBC, there must be a show of editorial balance, and this was achieved in a glancing fashion:

One idea is that intestinal worms – which dampen immune reactions – could be more common and this may help protect the heart.

Note that this is presented as just an idea, not an established fact.

Since it is a BBC story, every noble story has a moral at the end.

Prof Gurven said: “We need a more holistic approach to physical exercise rather than just at the weekend. Bicycle to work, take the stairs, write your story on a treadmill desk.”

Dr Thomas said: “To maintain health we need to be exercising much more than we do. The modern world is keeping us alive, but urbanisation and the specialisation of the labour force could be new risk factors [for an unhealthy heart]. They also live in small communities, life is very social and they maintain a positive outlook.”

Dr Gavin Sandercock, reader in clinical physiology (cardiology) at the University of Essex, said: “This is an excellent study with unique findings. The Tsimane get 72% of their energy from carbohydrates. The fact that they have the best indicators of cardiovascular health ever reported is the exact opposite to many recent suggestions that carbohydrates are unhealthy.”

Prof Naveed Sattar, from the University of Glasgow, said: “This is a beautiful real life study which reaffirms all we understand about preventing heart disease. Simply put, eating a healthy diet very low in saturated fat and full of unprocessed products, not smoking and being active life long, is associated with the lowest risk of having furring up of blood vessels.”

By this stage you may be reconsidering your plans for this Saturday, cancelling your lunch engagements and setting off on a long run, with some game hunting on the side. However, I am steeped in Anglo-Saxon skepticism, so I thought this uplifting tale was worth a few minutes of research.

My first thought was that clogged arteries are only one risk factor, and that one should take a more rounded view of the health of this tribe before coming to any conclusions. My next question was whether they had done any genetic research, since this was an obvious confounder, or better, a gateway into understanding the genetics of cardiac disorders. A third question, although not fully formulated, was “Worms, what sort of worms?”

A glance at gleans the following:

The average Tsimané woman has nine children in her lifetime. A study of 983 Tsimané women found that 70% were infected with the parasitic roundworm Ascaris lumbricoides, which is believed to have increased their fertility rate by suppressing their immune system, leading to two additional children over the course of a lifetime.[10]

The parasite effect on fertility is one for Greg Cochran, who notes that parasite can sometimes alter host behaviour to their apparent advantage:

There is some epigenetic work on this tribe, but of more importance in my view is that there are some genetic differences, probably indicating that variants are under selection in response to a high infection environment.

Apologies for making you do all this energetic clicking, which can be exhausting, but here is a more detailed account of the tribe by one of the authors:

The key point, as I see it, is that the BBC is implying that you have much to learn from the Tsiname, without telling you a relevant fact:

Average life expectancy at birth was 43 years between 1950-89 and increased to about 50 during the period 1990-2002. Half the population is under 15 years of age.

Cannot write more because I have to drive to the supermarket.

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  1. FKA Max says:

    Cannot write more because I have to drive to the supermarket.

    Most mammals have a greater life expectancy in zoos, study finds

    The research team led by the University of Lyon and the University of Zurich assessed the demographic parameters of more than 50 mammalian species. The scientists discovered that longevity was higher at the zoo for more than 80% of the mammals studied — species such as African buffalos, reindeer, zebras, beavers, or lions. “All 15 carnivore species in our dataset attained greater longevity at the zoo,” states Marcus Clauss, professor of nutrition and biology of zoo and wild animals at the University of Zurich. “It seems that even for predators, life in the wild is not necessarily without its perils.”

  2. life in the wild is not a life in paradise,” says Prof. Clauss.

    Thank you for this most interesting paper, which underestimates the protective power of zoos, since recent improvements in living conditions are outside the scope of the death tallies.

    My supermarket foraging: 3 chicken breasts, 2 sea bream fillets, assorted vegetables and fruit, milk and yoghurt, bread; and not a predator in sight.

  3. The BBC stopped short of advising that we acquire parasitic works as part of a holistic approach to health.

  4. Professor, everytime I spot an update by you, I know there will be alot of reading to do 🙂

  5. FKA Max says:
    @James Thompson

    My supermarket foraging: 3 chicken breasts, 2 sea bream fillets, assorted vegetables and fruit, milk and yoghurt, bread; and not a predator in sight.

    I was thinking, maybe from now on it should be more accurately/appropriately named the “zoopermarket” hahaha

    Happy feasting!

  6. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Re running: pushing a weighted sled is a alternative aerobic/condition exercise favored by some lifters, because it doesn’t have much of an eccentric component, so it doesn’t interfere as much as running with recovery. But it’s probably worthy of wider adoption.

    Unlike running, there’s no pounding. It doesn’t involve any fancy technique — you just push. And it doesn’t take long to get a workout if you load it with enough weight.

    Don’t know if it will make you live any longer though. Life will just seem a little longer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. @James Thompson

    “and not a predator in sight”

    That depends on what sort of area your supermarket’s in. A relative lost her wallet (a large lady bumped into her ‘accidentally’ and slashed her bag open without her noticing) while shopping in Forest Gate a year or two ago. The Brunswick Centre’s probably safer.

  8. dearieme says:

    “17% of their diet is game including wild pig, tapir and capybara …”: our summer game-eating has lately been of more modest beasties – snails from the back garden. They taste much like French escargots, to wit of butter, parsley, garlic, and rubber.

    “topped up with foraged fruit …”

    In the days when we foraged lots of fruit we largely fermented them into wines. I can particularly recommend elderberry claret.

    The upshot is that my arteries are, to quote my cardiologist, clean as a whistle. So phooey to the dismal moralisers at the BBC.

  9. jim jones says:

    The average lifespan of the Tsimané is 53 years:

    This is just a variation of the “Noble Savage” idea loved by the Left

    • Replies: @Wally
  10. Another day, another uptick in my desire to see all the major media outlets burning brightly in the night.

  11. Wally says:

    Imagine what feminists / lesbians would say if these people were a euro white group.

    ‘A patriarchal society where parasite laden women, who rarely live past their fifties, are slavishly forced to bear nine children’.

    “While there was little change in mortality for most of the life course over the period 1950-1989, overall life expectancy at birth improved by 10 years from 45 to 53 after 1990. In both periods, over half of all deaths were due to infectious disease, especially respiratory and gastrointestinal infections. Accidents and violence accounted for a quarter of all deaths.”

    I’ll take my chances the way I’m living, thank you.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  12. JackOH says:

    I’ve read or heard off and on similar stories suggesting the virtues of Primitive People X. They’re “as one” with their environment; their diets are better; they get more physical activity, and so on. I’ll grant the truth of specifics, and that’s when I get off the bus. The average American Indian or American pioneer in 1717 was, I’m sure, a hardier specimen at age 30 than I was. But, getting past perinatal age would have been a real chore for many.

    Mr recent supermarket haul Friday: Spencer steaks, pork chops, canned goods and other staples, whole bean coffee that I grind manually.

    BTW, Prof. Thompson, I mentioned your name among people who are likely skeptical of intelligence research. I added my caution that intelligence research is severable from policy implications, and that we judge people for their cleverness whether or not there’s academic research. I’m glad you’re contributing here.

  13. @James Thompson

    My supermarket foraging: 3 chicken breasts,…and not a predator in sight.

    You just didn’t notice them for whatever reason.

    Also please note that if you pay taxes the parasites, though well hidden, have already extracted their “share.”

  14. When you walk along a jungle trail in this region, you will first see a woman carrying a huge load of firewood on her head, a baby in her arms, bare feet with chigger bites, scars and sores.

    Some distance behind will be a man carrying nothing but a machete. And behind him is his younger wife, a 13 year old, very pregnant and carrying the fish.

    Did you notice the women in the photo? Dirty, ragged clothes. Sleeping on mats on the ground. In short, a feminist paradise.

    • Replies: @Alden
  15. Anonymous [AKA "Mr Chris"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Thanks for the comment about the loaded sled. Have yet to think of a reason to take it up, and feel that badly carried out could give you some serious back problems

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  16. The point about life expectancy is strong, potentially deadly, but it needs firming up with reference to the life expectancy of 25 to 55 year olds to make it really potent. I would guess that their 40 year olds do pretty well at getting to 65+….

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  19. pyrrhus says:

    When civilization collapses and we all become Noble hunter-gatherering Savages again, we will all become perfectly healthy, eat a perfect diet, and die at 35….

  20. Che Guava says:

    The roundworms part reminds me of the true stories of tapeworm eggs being sold as diet pills in some places. Eeugh!

  21. Prof Gurven said: “We need a more holistic approach to physical exercise rather than just at the weekend. Bicycle to work, take the stairs, write your story on a treadmill desk.”

    Don’t attempt to add on this lifestyle and expect the same results as these folks experience. It must start at birth.

  22. The Tsimane have been given cognitive tests. Here is one example.

    I believe the children have been administered the Raven’s as well.

    • Replies: @res
    , @James Thompson
  23. @Wally

    overall life expectancy at birth improved by 10 years from 45 to 53

    If these scientists can’t even do simple arithmetic, I don’t think I’ll trust their judgment on higher conceptual matters.

  24. res says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Life expectancy can be incredibly misleading as a metric as you observe. Infant (and child) mortality is a particularly important thing to consider when interpreting life expectancy. This particular feminist paradise has an infant mortality rate of 13% as of about 10 years ago! I wonder how our SJWs would like that?

    From the abstract of

    Indigenous populations experience higher rates of poverty, disease and mortality than non-indigenous populations. To gauge current and future risks among Tsimane Amerindians of Bolivia, I assess mortality rates and growth early in life, and changes in risks due to modernization, based on demographic interviews conducted Sept. 2002–July 2005. Tsimane have high fertility (Total Fertility Rate = 9) and infant mortality (13%). Infections are the leading cause of infant death (55%).

    I think survival curves are the best way to think about life expectancy:

    It would be interesting to do an analysis that attempts to match the least/most healthy across cultures including fatalities among the “least healthy.” That might cast a different light on the comparison.

  25. res says:
    @Curtis Dunkel

    Were you able to extract an IQ estimate from that? I scanned it quickly and they seemed to go to some trouble to avoid talking about absolute performance.

    The Tsimane get a lot of academic attention. I wonder what the natives think of all this?

    • Replies: @James Thompson
  26. @Curtis Dunkel

    Thanks for this reference. I cannot find the mean scores. Some authors suppress them by expressing them as Z scores, as has been done in this paper.

  27. @res

    Thank you for the very useful survival curves, which are fascinating to watch in chronological sequence.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Sean
  28. @res

    Suppressed, unfortunately.

  29. Kirt says:

    What does life expectancy prove about the diet and exercise regimen of these people? I’d expect any primitive people without modern public health and medicine to have a lower life expectancy than those who have these things. To me it is counter-intuitive to blame their low life expectancy on their diet and exercise or even to consider these as neutral factors. But to prove things one way or the other, you have to have an experiment as controlled as possible between these people and some equally primitive group who ate more and exercised less. Or you could compare the life expectancy of healthy eating and exercising first world people with first worlders of a glutenous sedentary life-style. I think the latter type of study has been done extensively with results not favoring the 400+ pound diabetic couch potatoes.

  30. @res

    13% = 13/100 or 13/1000*

    and fertility rate of 9…

    9 what*

    9/100 or 9/1000*

    9/1000 seems impossible because it’s the fertility of sub-replacement level, countries like Japan and Italy.

    • Replies: @res
  31. res says:
    @James Thompson

    They are fascinating. Especially in the context of evaluating discussions of how much our longevity has improved. Looking at all of them together as in makes it very clear that:
    1. Maximum lifespan has changed very little (and this remains true with attempts to look at centuries old historical data AFAICT).
    2. We seem to have reached a point of diminishing returns.

    Of course it’s worth noting the distinction between historical data and projections which is elided in this presentation. I can’t work out how to intuitively see the effect this has. It would be interesting to see how accurate the survival projections have been historically. Sigh, so many interesting bodies of research literature, so little time.

    It is interesting to try to see what part of each change is due to improved infant/child/midlife/elderly mortality. One way to do that is to repeat the plots with different baseline ages. I wonder if there are similar charts out there say starting each decade of life? I wonder if there would be a “wave” of effects (i.e. an improvement in 1910 means 1920 shows improvement for 10 year olds, 1930 shows improvement for 20 year olds, etc.)? Tracing the history of antibiotic uptake would make a good case study.

    The underlying data is available at
    I should try playing with the ideas above. But hopefully someone else beats me to it ; )

    Thank you for the link back to your older article.

  32. res says:

    % means that it is 13/100 (astonishingly high by developed world standards). I wonder if they include that in the quoted life expectancy (IIRC infant mortality is sometimes left out).

    9 babies per woman is my understanding.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  33. J1234 says:

    I asked my doctor what the best way was to have a healthy heart. He said, “choose your parents very carefully.”

    I have generally healthy overall cholesterol, but when I was on a big health kick, I avoided eggs and all cheese and only ate the leanest meat. My decent overall cholesterol went from OK to great, but my “good” cholesterol HDL became really low. Got off that kick, and my ratios and HDL got much better.

  34. @res

    This mean 130 dead babies/1000 births??

    • Replies: @res
  35. @The Z Blog

    You should start reading the blog of Dennis Mangan. He has amazing advice on how to turn around your health.

  36. Willem says:

    Strange that they report this at the lancet. But then, of course, the message (increase your excersise to prevent cardiovascular disease) is a very fashionable hypothesis which is easily transferable to newspapers and Unz.

    I haven’t read the paper, but since the study population has an average life span of about 50, with a large group of teenagers, suggests that the comparison with Western populations is flawed because of

    A. Confounding by age (did authors stratify or restrict the analysis to similar age groups in the studied population vs the Western population?)
    B. Competing risk of death. Most animals don’t have arterial cardiovascular disease either, not because they excersise, but because they die before they reach an age where their arteries can clog up. It appears to me that one can say the same about a study population whose average age is about 50 while the average age for developing symptomatic arterial cardiovascular disease is about 70.

    But thanks for sharing this Lancet article at Unz. It’s a nice brainteaser

  37. res says:

    Within the first year of life after a live birth appears to be the definition. Given that, yes. Figure 1 has survival curves:

    Figure 2 shows a plot of locations showing IMR from ~80-260/1,000 live births:
    Note that this indicates miscarriages (and stillborns) are not included. They give the rate of miscarriage as 55.1/1,000 pregnancies.

    From the text:

    Figure 1 shows survivorship (lx, probability of surviving to age x) during the first year of life. 12.9% of Tsimane infants die in their first year. The riskiest period is the first two weeks, where 4% of infants die. 40% of infants that die in their first year do so in the first month of life. The neonatal mortality rate is thus 51.1/1,000 live births. Mortality differs significantly by region (Wilcoxon test: chi-square=18.94, p=0.0003). It is highest in the riverine (IMR=15.4%) and forest villages (15.3%), and lowest in the villages near town (8.1%). Greater distance from town positively correlates with IMR, varying three-fold from 8% to 26% (Figure 2). Distance from town alone explains 25% of the inter-village variation in IMR. Forest villages show higher IMR than riverine villages, even after controlling for town distance (β=50.0, p=0.021, R2=0.484).

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  38. FKA Max says:

    Interesting, and somewhat unexpected findings:

    As part of an isolated indigenous group in central Bolivia, Tsimane men spend much of their time hunting, foraging, fishing, and clearing land by hand to grow crops. Their ability to maintain the physical activity required to survive each day might imply they have higher than average male testosterone levels.

    Anthropologists at UC Santa Barbara and the University of Washington have found, however, that the baseline testosterone level of Tsimane men is 33 percent lower than that of men living in the United States, where life is physically less demanding. Also, in contrast to men in the U.S., the Bolivian foragers-farmers do not show declines in testosterone as they age. The researchers’ findings appear today in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B.

    However, according to several studies, Latin Americans generally have the lowest baseline testosterone levels in the world, so this is not a characteristic unique to Tsimane men in Latin America:

    Might the explanation be environmental? Has Latin America the highest density of parasites and pathogens in the world?

    “Maintaining high levels of testosterone compromises the immune system, so it makes sense to keep it low in environments where parasites and pathogens are rampant, as they are where the Tsimane live,” said Ben Trumble, a graduate student in anthropology at the University of Washington, and the paper’s lead author.

    So ladies, if you want a high T male, go to the Philippines (8100 ρg/mL) and find yourself a malnourished, sexually active, 22 year old Filipino; 5 feet 4 inches, 123 lbs, poorly educated and making slightly less than $9 US monthly [Gettler, McDade & Kuzawa (2011)]. Even better, find an Egyptian.

    Still, the Tsimane men’s active and strenuous lifestyle is likely the explanation why they manage to maintain their testosterone levels with age, despite having low baseline testosterone levels compared to American, etc. men. This might also be an (additional) alternative and more logical explanation as to why Tsimane women have so many children on average; possibly/likely due to their husbands/men staying sexually active/interested much longer in life than the average man living a less-physically-active 1st or 2nd World lifestyle.

  39. Sean says:
    @James Thompson

    Re parasites

    The parasite effect on fertility is one for Greg Cochran, who notes that parasite can sometimes alter host behaviour to their apparent advantage:

    If the “their” refers to the host, no. He was no doubt aware, but I mentioned it first in regard to the possibility of male homosexuality being caused by vertically transmitted bugs which were increasing the reproductive success of women.

    Anyway, inability to feed without worrying you are going to become food is the main thing that makes wild animals not get fat. Zoo animals that have nothing to fear are only kept lean because zoos don’t let their valuable animals eat as much as they like. The obvious conclusion is you have to be your own zoo keeper.

    If you are unfortunate enough to live in an area where the supermarket is a safe place to be and walking home with groceries is too, why not compromise, Get the bus there and carry it back– walking while holding weight (called the farmer’s walk) is a natural all over workout. If you go a couple of times a week it won’t be too much to carry, and you might leave out the extra wine that is otherwise tempting.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Sparkon
  40. @res

    I asked how big is the impact of notion of basic hygiene practices to this higher mortality not only among this people.

  41. Wally says:
    @jim jones

    The lie of the leftist ‘noble savages’ debunked:


    And what about indigenous peoples, living in a state of harmony with the Eden-like environment? Well, they never did. On this continent, the newly arrived people who crossed the land bridge almost immediately set about wiping out hundreds of species of large animals, and they did this several thousand years before the white man showed up, to accelerate the process. And what was the condition of life? Loving, peaceful, harmonious? Hardly: the early peoples of the New World lived in a state of constant warfare. Generations of hatred, tribal hatreds, constant battles. The warlike tribes of this continent are famous: the Comanche, Sioux, Apache, Mohawk, Aztecs, Toltec, Incas. Some of them practiced infanticide, and human sacrifice. And those tribes that were not fiercely warlike were exterminated, or learned to build their villages high in the cliffs to attain some measure of safety.
    How about the human condition in the rest of the world? The Maori of New Zealand committed massacres regularly. The dyaks of Borneo were headhunters. The Polynesians, living in an environment as close to paradise as one can imagine, fought constantly, and created a society so hideously restrictive that you could lose your life if you stepped in the footprint of a chief. It was the Polynesians who gave us the very concept of taboo, as well as the word itself. The noble savage is a fantasy, and it was never true. That anyone still believes it, 200 years after Rousseau, shows the tenacity of religious myths, their ability to hang on in the face of centuries of factual contradiction.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Clyde
  42. FKA Max says:

    Zoo animals that have nothing to fear are only kept lean because zoos don’t let their valuable animals eat as much as they like. The obvious conclusion is you have to be your own zoo keeper.

    Not necessarily…

    New York City Zoo chief zookeeper Michael Bloomberg tried to be a responsible zookeeper to the inhabitants of New York City Zoo, but his well-intentioned attempt at human husbandry was rejected by the state’s highest court:

    The Sugary Drinks Portion Cap Rule,[1][2] a.k.a. the Soda Ban,[2] is a limit on soft drink size in New York City intended to prohibit the sale of many sweetened drinks more than 16 ounces (0.47 liters) in volume to have taken effect on March 12, 2013.[3] On June 26, 2014, the New York Court of Appeals, the state’s highest court, ruled that the New York City Board of Health, in adopting the regulation, exceeded the scale of its regulatory authority.[1][4] The regulation is currently codified in section 81.54 of the New York City Health Code (title 24 of the Rules of the City of New York).

    I guess, this makes him a eu-behaviorist zookeeper.

    • Replies: @Sean
  43. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    It’s actually pretty hard to hurt your back or anything else pushing the sled. You’re sort of forced into an ergonomic position to get it moving.

    As for a reason to take it up, aside from perhaps some modest health benefits, conditioning can come in handy. For example, last week my mother’s small horse farm got hit with 1.5 to 2 feet of snow. I spent 2 hours shoveling a path from the house to the barn. Sled work (as well as lifting) probably helped me do that.

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What’s this fixation with food?

    It’s stress!!! Simple lives with fewer stresses. Well regulated stress free lives do wonders for all aspects of health. It’s a shame they’re so hard to come by for first worlders.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  45. aandrews says:

    How exhausting! I’m glad it’s bedtime.

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The noble savage idea isn’t a lie and hasn’t been debunked. The noble savage idea isn’t that these people are passive and peaceful. It’s that they and all their wildness, savagery, and brutality are infinitely more noble than the soft, decadent, contemporary civilized man. Any man with a pair and some genuine feeling and spirit knows this to be true in his bones when he steps inside a Walmart. The contemporary civilized man is just about the lowest life form to ever walk the earth.

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    , @Olorin
  47. FKA Max says:

    What’s Your Status?
    UCSB anthropologists find that even among egalitarian forager-farmers, social status can impact health and happiness

    The researchers found that Tsimane men with less formal political influence have higher levels of the stress hormone cortisol. In industrialized societies, high cortisol levels often indicate chronic psychosocial stress. In addition, less influential Tsimane men are at higher risk for respiratory infection, which is the most common cause of sickness and death in their society. By studying the same individuals over a four-year period, the researchers showed that the greater the decline in influence, the higher the levels of cortisol and the likelihood of respiratory illness.

    The researchers also found that influential Tsimane men receive more deference and social support, which can mitigate risks of conflict, sickness and food shortage. “One could argue that social status is more important for the Tsimane than it is for modern Americans,” said Gurven. “In our society, you may be unpopular, but if you have enough money, you can buy what you need, including insurance, and people will be willing to help you for a price you can afford. Without the support networks that come with greater social capital and status, you don’t have the ability to buffer the kinds of health and economic risks the Tsimane face every day.”
    The impact of social status intersects with another area of inquiry by anthropologists at UCSB that examined the increased risk of depression among older adult members of Tsimane society. “One important determinant of your status is your physical ability to be useful and to produce food and be useful to others,” explained Gurven. “If you can produce food, you can share it. With physical aging and a decreasing ability to remain productive at late ages is when we see a big increase in depression.”

  48. Clyde says:

    You are right to bring up wars and murders as decreasing life expectancy in the men in select backward tribes and peoples. How about the women. My take is men like competition and the recognition that winning gains them with the females. It is hardwired. Tribal types need entertainment and feuds and beefs extended over generations provided this. Leading to high intra-tribe violence and murders, lots of them. Civilization means domestication of men so lower rates of violence except in wars against others

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  49. @Anonymous

    Hey now.

    Without a healthy dose of Impulsivity Control there would be a massive reduction in population.

    Lots of people are alive today simply because it’s against the law to kill them.

  50. Sean says:
    @FKA Max

    Trump said he’d never seem a skinny person with a diet soda. The sweet taste of the artificial sweeteners probably has bad effects by lowering blood sugar making you hungry and eating more . On the other hand there was a study a few years ago that suggested the fizz is is as bad as the sugar because it damages your cells.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Sparkon
  51. Sean says:
    @James Thompson Rose’s most recent book is Does Aging Stop?.[1] W. D. Hamilton advanced the idea that any gene killing an organism before it reproduced would be weeded out by natural selection. However, genes that kill later in life, after reproduction ceases, can remain in the population. For Rose, this suggests that aging is a result of “declining forces of natural selection.” He points to studies of the demographic data in large-scale fruit fly experiments and actuarial data for humans which he believes support the hypothesis that acceleration in death rates can halt in later life. According to Rose, mortality-rate plateaus have not often been noticed in humans because they are only seen in specific-age cohorts of the very old. His proposed explanation is that at a stage of life beyond the potential to reproduce, the effect of natural selection is no longer falling as it has ‘bottomed out’. Rose suggests that if a decline in the effect of natural selection is responsible for aging, then when this decline finally ends, at post-reproductive age, aging could halt. He reasons it follows that aging is “not a cumulative process of progressive chemical damage, like rust, at late ages, aging can stop”.[1]According to Rose, relative to the age of reproductive maturity a transition to the late-life stage of life occurs much later in humans than in the populations of flies for which there are data. In humans, the ‘late-life’ stage of life is only reached at 90 years old, whereas the data for flies scaled to humans would predict a ‘late-life’ stage for humans at 40–50 years old. Rose suggests that human populations’ adoption of agriculture led to more children surviving to adulthood, and to reproduction occurring later in life. Agriculture is also hypothesized by Rose to have resulted in high population density, thereby increasing the range of ages not under selection.[1]

  52. FKA Max says:

    My take is men like competition and the recognition that winning gains them with the females. It is hardwired.

    Not necessarily…

    Dr. Robert Sapolsky – Hierarchy Is Bad for Your Health

    Baboon troops usually have strong social hierarchy, with alpha males going around beating the shit out of lesser baboons and sexually assaulting the females.

    But in an unexpected development, many of the alpha males in the troop Sapolsky studied died after coming into contact with tuberculosis-tainted meat. What was left of the troop was the more socially-attuned baboons who, rather than torturing their comrades, preferred to groom them and, you know, chill. Wandering baboons that joined the troops from elsewhere, who generally fall into the “raging dick” category, were eventually assimilated and, like their troop-mates, learned to hang with the bros.

    As a result, Sapolsky found that the troop’s overall levels of stress hormones, blood pressure, and anxiety decreased.

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  53. Sean says:
    @FKA Max

    Sapolsky cites hans Selye, but the old idea of Seyle’s that he body is damaged by any demands on it is clearly wrong an obvious example is that lifting weights makes you stronger. Psychological stress or the stress of missing a meal can make you stronger to0. Read some Mark Mattson, Nassim Taleb, Michael Ristow and Kelly McGonigal.

  54. FKA Max says:

    Personally, I only drink water.

    Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, I think, are pretty much addicted to Diet Coke:

    Science Explains Why Bill Gates Guzzles Diet Coke Constantly

    A 2012 study in Physiology & Behavior found that the cognitive reward process of diet soda drinkers was unusually altered. Habitual diet soda drinking, the researchers found, made it harder for the brain to distinguish between real and artificial sugar — eventually causing a degree of numbness to the pleasurable experience of consuming actual sugar.

    This might also explain, the researchers theorize, why consuming diet sodas is actually linked to an increase in weight gain. Besides the mental game that Big Sugar has played, convincing us that diet sodas are the healthier choice, the delay in reward might signal to you that you should grab that second (or third) Diet Coke.

    New concerns about diet sodas

    They’re linked to calorie absorption, high blood pressure, and heart trouble.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  55. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    Correction: Warren Buffet drinks mostly regular and Cherry Coke, not Diet Coke.

    “I checked the actuarial tables, and the lowest death rate is among six-year-olds. So I decided to eat like a six-year-old,” he told Fortune.

    That’s nearly 200 grams of sugar in soda alone, or roughly 8 times what the World Health Organization recommends anyone eat in total each day.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  56. @FKA Max

    Picking up on your quote from Clyde I note its bearing on the argument that some feminists and others are trying to raise against the common presumption that men’s and women’s brains are physically different. While acknowledging the comparatively recent discovery of neuroplaticity, as well as epigenetics and the obvious overlaps of the bell curves it does seem obvious that men would be and,on average are, much more hardwired to get satisfaction out of competitive dominance over others than are females. It sometimes helps, notwithstanding opening oneself to “Just So Stories” jibes to consider what evolution would logically have provided for. The female being two thirds the size and physical strength of the male tells you an awful lot about what wven the most Unintelligent Designer must have built in to the successful foremothers’ brains.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  57. FKA Max says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You are absolutely correct, and my apologies if I came across as flippant, that was not my intention. I just wanted to offer an alternative perspective.

    My point is mostly, that we can, and, most importantly, probably should, voluntarily, evolve/adapt into and adopt more peaceful, caring, and maybe more humorous ways of competing for mates; instead of bashing each other’s heads in. This would probably also help to select for higher intelligence, instead of selecting for high testosterone/aggression and/or the “warrior gene” ( i.e. anti-social/psychopathic behavior), which would be very eugenic and generally terrific, in my opinion.

    I don’t know if the following study will further trigger feminists, et al., i.e. toxic masculinity narrative, etc., or maybe calm them down, since us males are not bigger and stronger than them/you to fight against/dominate them/you, but to fight for/over them/you?

    Evolutionary aspects of aggression the importance of sexual selection.

    […]Not all species have a pronounced competition over mates, however. Instead, this aspect of sociality is ultimately determined by ecological factors. In species where competition over mates is rampant, this has evolutionary effects on weaponry and body size such that males commonly bear more vicious weapons and are larger than females. A review of sexual selection in mammals reveals how common aggressive competition over mating opportunities is in this group. Nearly half of all mammal species exhibit male-biased sexual size dimorphism, a pattern that is clearly linked to sexual selection.[…]

    I miss the late, great evolution and natural selection/adaption mansplainer Christopher Hitchens:

    Christopher Hitchens: Why Women Still Aren’t Funny

    [ Forty years ago, scientists were already asking this question. Hauck and Thomas, testing eighty elementary-level students, found a very high correlation between humour and intelligence (r = .91), but, of course, that was back in 1972.
    Clarke defines humour in terms of pattern recognition–our ability to understand relationships and impose order on competing stimuli. “An ability to recognise patterns instantly and unconsciously has proved a fundamental weapon in the cognitive arsenal of human beings.”

    Recognising patterns enables us to quickly understand our environment and function effectively within it. Language, which is unique to humans, is based on patterns. And humour, conveniently enough, is based on language. ] –

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  58. Olorin says:

    Not “civilized man.”

    “Domesticated man.”

    There is a difference.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anonymous
  59. @Olorin

    Indeed I was toying with alternatives to his ‘civilised’ and domesticated goes a long way to making the point I had in mind.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The civilized man is domesticated man. It’s a distinction without a difference. But if you insist, it’s still the case that the two specimens referred to by those terms are the lowest life forms to ever walk the earth.

  61. dearieme says:
    @FKA Max

    “That’s nearly 200 grams of sugar in soda alone, or roughly 8 times what the World Health Organization recommends anyone eat in total each day.” But then the WHO probably just makes the numbers up.

  62. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    This is another interesting theory, that somewhat refutes/contradicts Clyde’s claim, that males are the only sex engaging in competition for mates, and enjoying it. Women do too, just in different and more subtle ways. And they really and genuinely seem to enjoy the competition/fashion as well, so this competitive spirit might be hardwired into them as well.

    I think a world with fewer wars and fewer fashion trends would be a better world. But that is just me…

    The author has a Youtube channel, which I can highly recommend:

    Why We Follow Fashion


    Let us start, though, with monogamy. In monogamous societies, I would expect there to be massive emphasis on youth when it comes to judging women’s beauty, and I would expect women to be more interested in fashion than men. Men would pick women according to their fertility, and unless women came up with a way to mimic youth and health that could fool men, a woman’s fashion sense would be of very little help to her in making herself attractive to men.

    However, a woman’s fashion sense would not be useless.
    So, that is my theory: that the fact that modern British women are more interested in fashion than men is down to a person’s ability to narrow the field of competition by excluding outsiders from the in-group of rivals. In my childhood, there were very few fashion magazines for men, and these generally dealt with the very up-market end of fashion, since only rich men were getting more mates through fashion. Today, marriage seems to be a fair bit less monogamous, and pre-marital sex is so common, that men have started to show some, but not much, interest in fashion.

    Consider now the problem faced by aristocratic women of the 18th century. Like the foragers, theirs was a world of few people in the in-group. Their brothers would have little trouble finding wives, because rich aristocratic powerful men, who stood to inherit lots of resources, could always offer that most attractive of things to their potential spouses: security for the children. However, an ugly aristocratic woman might lose out to a pretty chorus girl, because the local master of the manor might decide to hang convention and marry someone he finds nice and pretty, rather than choose from an exclusive pool of nobles. To combat this, women would conspire to make it next to impossible for pretty lower class girls to break into society. They would come up with a thousand rules of etiquette to do with letter-writing, cutlery use, choice of words, poise, dance, and corset wearing. On top of this they could add fashion: requiring a woman to have four new expensive dresses a year, that no chorus girl could hope to afford.

    Did this work? Well, yes, but not perfectly. Ugly aristocratic women did often find aristocratic husbands, but not always. Not far from Newcastle upon Tyne is the Bowes Museum, housed in the country mansion of a stupendously wealthy aristocrat who married a French chorus girl. The local female gentry must have been livid. This doesn’t disprove my theory, because I never said that any interest in fashion would exclude all outsiders. I only meant that by putting a fair bit of effort into fashion, many people could improve their breeding prospects by making it more difficult for outsiders to muscle in, and this is what I observe in the world.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  63. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    Women do too, just in different and more subtle ways. And they really and genuinely seem to enjoy the competition/fashion as well, so this competitive spirit might be hardwired into them as well.

    Psychopathy and anti-social/highly-competitive behavior manifests itself differently in men and women:

    Psychopathy in women: theoretical and clinical perspectives

    Forouzan and Cooke2 claim that there are differences between the sexes with respect to psychopathy. […]
    As for the behavioral expression of the disorder, Forouzan and Cooke2 suggest that women who are manipulative more often tend to flirt, while manipulative men are more likely to run scams and commit fraud. In women, the tendency to run away, exhibit self-injurious behavior, and manipulation, all characterize impulsiveness and behavioral problems. Moreover, their criminal behavior consists primarily of theft and fraud. In men, however, the criminal behavior often includes violence. 11,24 Indeed, the form of aggression that is displayed appears to differ between the sexes. Although the results are divergent and inconclusive,54 some studies have suggested that while men more often show physical aggression,45,55 women more often display a more relational and verbal form of aggression.51,52,56 This may, for instance, occur through manipulation of social networks in attempting to exclude the victim from a community.

    I personally believe, that there is a strong link between psychopathy and low-activity MAOA (the “warrior gene”):

    A connection between a version of the monoamine oxidase A gene (3R) and several types of antisocial behavior has been found. Maltreated children with genes causing high levels of MAO-A were less likely to develop antisocial behavior.[24]

    Psychopathy and anti-social/highly-competitive behavior manifests itself less frequently in females than in males though, because MAOA is a X chromosome-linked gene and females need two copies of the low-activity MAOA alleles (3R or 2R (the lowest activity variant)) to manifest anti-social/highly-competitive traits/behavior:

    At first sight, this suggests that nearly half the human population are predisposed to violence given these triggers, but the situation is not quite that bad—it is merely nearly half of men [this is not entirely accurate, since there are significant racial differences in the prevalence of low-activity MAOA; see below]. Women are protected in two ways: the MAOA gene is linked to the X chromosome so that women with the MAOA-L variety on one chromosome usually have a normal allele on the other; and there is circumstantial evidence that women are also protected by other genes from being disposed to violence.

    Racial differences:

    Studies have found differences in the frequency distribution of variants of the MAOA gene between ethnic groups:[32][33] of the participants, 59% of Black men, 54% of Chinese men, 56% of Maori men, and 34% of Caucasian men carried the 3R allele, while 5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele.[23][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40]

    More information on this can be found in my comments in this thread:

    I think the most important takeaway from this discussion, in my opinion, is to realize that there are highly-competitive/aggressive/psychopathic females out there as well, but that their “violence” and aggression often expresses itself in more subtle (psychological) and often less obvious (non-physical) ways than men’s, which, arguably, could make them potentially more destructive and dangerous than psychopathic men, because they are more “silent” killers.

    This is just speculation on my part, but if I had to name somebody, who, I thought, fits the bill of being a female psychopath, it would be Wendi Deng Murdoch:

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @chris c
  64. Alden says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    Old English joke; what’s a 3 letter word for beast of burden? Mum

    I noticed the picture depicted women carrying heavy loads. Early settlers and explorers noticed that about Amerucan Indians.
    God, I loathe and detest liberals. The Greeks and Arcadia, More and his book Utopia, Rousseau, health food, 40 watt light bulbs to save the earth, I can’t stand it.
    FYI liberals, all carbs, whether a snickers bar or a pesticide free certified organic virtuous baked potato or whole grain bread are fattening. Why? Because glucose is glucose. Whether it’s a snickers bar or whole grain bread by the time it gets digested and into your blood its glucose. Some glucose becomes fuel for metabolism. The rest becomes fat.

    Meat and eggs are protein and build blood, bones and muscle.

  65. Alden says:
    @FKA Max

    Didn’t Wendi and Murdoch get divorced?

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  66. ogunsiron says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I wish we’d retire life expectancy at birth. A low life expectancy at birth, most of the time, only tells us that a lot of young kids don’t make it past 2 or 3 years. It doesn’t tell that much about the general health status of people in a given society who manage to make it past childhood. I wish we’d en masse switch to life expectancy calculated from older ages.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  67. Sparkon says:

    a study a few years ago…suggested the fizz is is as bad as the sugar because it damages your cells.

    The fizz, or carbonation, comes from carbon dioxide (CO₂), which some may recognize as the mighty molecule that roared, accused of causing runaway global warming, which is set to begin real soon now.

    CO₂ has been demonized, as has sugar. Since the advent of artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, obesity has increased.

    Just as your soda or beer goes flat as it warms, and loses carbonation, so too do the oceans emit CO₂ as they warm, and this relationship is reflected in the important point that “CO₂ lags temperature” in the ice core records.

    Thus, the reasonable person might recognize that rising atmospheric CO₂ levels are an effect of global warming, and not its cause.

    As American beer drinkers know: chug your ice-cold brew before it gets warm, goes flat, gives you a headache, and makes you vent gases fore and aft.

    So, while atmospheric CO₂ continues to increase, global warming has taken a break, thus verifying the observation based on hard numbers that CO₂ is not a control knob for Earth’s climate.

    But it might make you burp.

  68. Sparkon says:

    If you are unfortunate enough to live in an area where the supermarket is a safe place to be and walking home with groceries is too, Get the bus there and carry it back– walking while holding weight (called the farmer’s walk) is a natural all over workout.

    Even better, in my view, ride a bicycle, which activity offers smooth no impact work-out, and ability to carry 20 lbs. or more, easily, safely, and efficiently, with the bicycle carrying all the load, and little ol’ skinny me supplying all the muscle-power.

    Before the misguided hysteria about disposable plastic bags led to their ban, I was able to carry in these bags hanging from the handlebars of my bicycle a gallon of milk, jug of juice, bag of broccoli, loaf of bread, butter, eggs, cheese, steak, and what have you, getting some exercise in the bargain, with no parking hassles, and the ability to wheel my bicycle and its cargo directly into my pad, and right up to the fridge.

    The bags would serve again as convenient dispose-all for taking nasty, sticky, smelly things out to the trash.

    Of course, banning the bags makes some green zealots think they’ve done their part saving the planet from plastic bags, so I guess we can all sleep easier now.

  69. FKA Max says:

    Yes, I think she probably kept his last name for prestige/status purposes.

    It is also not the first time she got divorced:

    When Deng was living with Jake and Joyce Cherry during Deng’s studies in the United States, Joyce Cherry discovered her husband, Jake, was having an affair with Deng, who was 30 years his junior, and demanded Deng leave the house. Jake Cherry soon followed and moved in with Deng,[10] and the two married in 1990.[9] Their marriage lasted 2 years 7 months before they were legally divorced,[10] but Jake would later explain they stayed together for only four or five months,[9] when he learned that Deng was spending time with David Wolf, a man closer to her age.[9] Nonetheless, she had been able to secure a green card through her marriage to Cherry.[9][10]

    Following the marriage, she was branded a “gold digger” by sources close to Murdoch, including family members.[23][24][25]

    On February 5, 2014, The Daily Telegraph published a report claiming Deng had a crush on Tony Blair, leading to her divorce from Murdoch.

    We usually don’t call these types of females psychopaths, but at worst “gold diggers” or “homewreckers,” which, in my opinion, trivializes how harmful and destructive they are/can be. We often hear: “He is a psychopath.” We rarely hear this being said about a female: “She is a psychopath.”

    The female psychopaths I have assessed are every bit as dangerous as their male peers. The important point is for society—and clinicians—to understand that the female psychopath may look different on the surface because the behaviors are different. Underneath her exterior, though, the female psychopath operates from the same conscience-free, bent-on-manipulation-and-winning mindset. If a woman is a psychopath, she can be just as dangerous as a male psychopath—perhaps more so because, based on social conventions, we’re less likely to see her coming.

    Deng is currently dating a 21-year-old fashion model “toyboy” from Hungary:

    She is also “besties” with Ivanka Trump. How much does she influence Ivanka and Jared, who in turn then influence Donald Trump?:

    But Deng and Ivanka have a long history together. In fact, Deng is reportedly responsible for re-uniting Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, who broke up in 2008 when their religious differences caused them to split. A new New Yorker profile of the couple relays how Deng invited Jared for a weekend on the Murdoch family yacht. “You’re working so hard. Come with Rupert and me on the boat for the weekend,” she said. He showed up without knowing that Deng had also invited Ivanka. Trump later converted to Judaism, and the couple married in 2009.

  70. @ogunsiron

    Yes, the life expectancies at birth also suffer from the unreliability of any predictions being made about the local improvements in child health.

  71. chris c says:
    @FKA Max

    Thanks for the links which tie in with my speculations that “Personality Disorders” actually have a physiological background.

    Consider a continuum – in one direction male behaviour – macho behaviour – narcissism – psychopathy, and in t’other female behaviour – PMS – borderline. Increasing levels of (over)response to testosterone or estrogen. Female psychopaths and male borderlines exist but are much rarer.

    I got the idea from my ex, who could be a wonderful wife three weeks out of every month, then turned into a monster for the fourth week (I am not exaggerating as much as you think I am!)

    My apparently “random” mental symptoms, along with my “clearly made up” physical symptoms turned out to be correlated to my blood glucose, which would spike after eating the recommended quantities of carbohydrate. My insulin would turn up late to the party and then hang around after all the glucose had gone home, leading to a hypo and a massive dump of glucagon, cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, neuropeptide Y, etc. When I didn’t eat excessive carbs this didn’t happen.

    This all improved along with my physical symptoms, and all my “health markers” normalised or at least improved when I started reducing my carb intake and especially switching primarily to ketones for fuel. I’d like to go back and put her also onto a ketogenic diet, which appears to improve all manner of disease states in many many people.

    Which leads me back to the original post. As more and more research is published suggesting that “low fat” diets didn’t work, and why, so the Supporters Of Conventional Wisdom become ever more desperate in defending their position, backed by Coke via ILSI

    in alliance with vegans/PETA via PCRM/CSPI, and of course all other foodlike substance manufacturers and drug companies, protecting their income streams at the expense of “epidemics” of obesity, diabetes and many other metabolic diseases, very likely including Alzheimers and many cancers.

    The only reason this became headline news is because it backs dogma in its current war against science. IMO.

    Now I’m off to the butcher, the veg shop, the farm shop and then a prolonged walk in the sun.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  72. @chris c

    One of my first gestures to making adult decisions for myself was to give up butter for polyunsaturated margarine though the love of my life, very smart daughter of a bad parent who was a brilliant consulting physician, poured scorn on medical and diet fashions generally. Cf. now “climate science”.

    Much later i chatted socially to a psychiatrist about my tendency to feel sleepy when I wanted to be alert around 3 pm and noted that I had tried almost everything including just coffee at lunch time. He pointed to hypoglycaemia which presumably (though he didn’t mention it) goes with the rapid efficient production of one’s own insulin so that the mechanism could be 1. cafeine stimulates the muscles to release glycogen as glucose: 2. rising glucose levels stimulate the release of insulin; 3. insulin pushes glucose levels too low so that one feels woozy.

    That made (and makes) sense to me until I decided to ask an appropriate medical specialist to order tests which would test the hypoglycaemia theory. No confirmation. But that I guess may be because mine isn’t seriously pathological from the specislist physician’s point of view. I take comfort in apparently having an efficient pancreas that makes diabetes very unlikely, helped by taking quite a lot of vigorous exercise I like to think.

    Happily my latest anti-cholesterol drug seems to work so well that I can eat lots of great cheeses and fine ice creams without even thinking of going back to the el cheapo house brand low-fat vanilla that I jazzed up with fruity yoghurts…. My hypochondria specialist tells me I’m right now for making the century – or at least getting to my aunt’s 100th in a few days time.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  73. @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, to my fans, there is a threat in that.

  74. Sparkon says:

    One of my first gestures to making adult decisions for myself was to give up butter for polyunsaturated margarine

    I’ve read the rest of your comment, but I can’t make out if you went back to eating butter or not.

    I must tell you that margarine is very nasty stuff. Even insects won’t eat it. The story I heard was that it was formulated originally to fatten turkeys, but it killed said birds. Next, they colored it yellow, and gave it to humans. Except that some states wouldn’t let them color it yellow, and others made margarine manufacturers dye it pink! Others provided little yellow dye packets, because the undyed stuff is rather icky looking–so I understand, never having seen the undyed patties–but I am happy to report my life-long search for an appropriate spot to use the rather feminine adjective icky has now been fulfilled, and I can revert to never using it again.

    My view is that natural foods are much better for you than their man-made or processed counterparts, but I too when I was much younger briefly fell for the propaganda from the petrochemical industry demonizing natural foods and promoting man-made ones, but a lovely & knowledgeable lady friend help educate me, and I’ve been enjoying natural foods ever since. No margarine or bologna need apply. I hasten to add my good eating habits, getting exercise & plenty of sleep, does not rule out the occasional cheeseburger in paradise, with soda and fries!

  75. chris c says:

    Originally margarine, like most “processed foods” AKA manufactured foodlike substances, was actually derived from real food. Now, not so much. It originated as a blend of beef fat and milk (Unilever) then became a means to market cottonseed oil as human food (Crisco). Now in the cracking one-liners of J Stanton (

    “Diesel fuel and birdseed are NOT food groups”

    “If you can put it in a truck and the truck starts it is NOT FOOD”

    IMO the best (only?) use for rapeseed.

    Like so many, I was born and brought up on Real Food, then got suckered into an Ornish-style high carb low fat grain-based vegan diet. After that fiasco I continued eating “low fat” and slowly declining in health. The nadir was reached when a dietician had me cut out even more fat and replace it with even more Holy Health Grains, when for the first time I actually put on weight while my health and all “health markers” went steadily south.

    Naturally I was accused of “failing to comply” with the diet. Strangely when I actually DID stop complying with the diet I got rapidly better. N=thousands.

    Everything I did to improve my health has been done despite rather than because of “healthcare professionals” – though it is all backed by leading edge researchers and now increasing numbers of doctors, and even a few dieticians. A glucometer – which I was specifically told not to use – helped a lot. An insulin meter (which doesn’t exist) would have been even better. Twelve years on and even my GP has started to notice.

    The response to the improvements in health coming up from the grass-roots is currently meeting a LOT of money coming down from the top.

    Really I think we should be looking at what the Tsimane AREN’T eating, such as for example huge quantities of wheat, sugar/HFCS and Omega 6 seed oils. Just like we westerners didn’t back before all these “epidemics” of metabolic diseases.

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