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This is an Open Thread of sorts because, most likely, many of you(or most of you) know more about the art/science/ritual/tradition/culture of hunting than I do. Actually, I know nothing of hunting as I’ve never hunted myself. And though I totally support gun rights, I’ve never owned guns or fired one myself. My personal curiosity about hunting is mainly about the tastes of various animals.

What do game animals taste like? Plenty of people have tasted venison, but what about moose(Sarah Palin’s favorite), bear(though it’s pretty close to dog meat as canis and ursus are cousins), beaver(though my guess is it’s caught through trapping than hunting — trapping strikes me as a form of animal-torture that can no longer be justified), wild turkey(and various other prairie fowl), pronghorn(seen in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN), alligator(I’m told all reptiles taste more or less like chicken), raccoon(again, too close to dog meat), opossum(soul food meat), and wild hog. As I’m opposed to the Hogocaust, I stay away from pork, but as wild pigs must be culled, I wouldn’t mind game-pork-ribs.

Just out of curiosity, do people hunt with assault rifles, AK-47 and AR-15? I recall a political cartoon that mocked gun rights by a hunter mowing down deer with a machine gun. Of course, people own such guns for protection from the government(and maybe gangs of hoodlums during riots). I read somewhere that assault rifles on the market are merely hunting rifles designed to look military. Are cowboy rifles(like Winchesters in Western movies) good for hunting? I don’t suppose anyone hunted with a magnum 44. I can’t imagine giving the Dirty Harry speech to a dying black bear.

I chose this topic because my recent hiking trip coincided with the hunting season in some areas. Usually around late October or early November — summertime is great for swimming but mosquitos and certain flies drive you crazy — , I go on these excursions into nature, mostly to hike, sometimes to kayak. But this year, I ended up going in late November, culminating in the Smoky Mountains, and it just so happened that parts of Missouri, Southern Illinois, and Kentucky were in the peak of hunting season. So, surprisingly, some of the campgrounds were near to full capacity.

These hunters really know what they’re doing. On my hikes, I might see a deer now and then. (Despite the talk of bountiful black bear population in some states, my bear-sighting amounts to all of 15 seconds). Deer are bountiful everywhere but rarely do they cross your path on hiking trails. But these hunters sure know where to look or how to track them because there were dead deer all over the place. On the ground, on trucks, hanging from trees, on motorboats, roped to posts, and etc. It was rather impressive, as were the skills with which the men carved up the dead animals into strips. Hiking just requires stamina. In contrast, hunting requires one’s senses to become almost animal-like. You must be acute in sight and hearing, even smell. I suppose hunters like the sense of reconnecting with a more primal way of being.

Warnings were posted that hikers should don orange bright-colored clothing and hats, and there were guns firing all over the forests, and so, I didn’t do much hiking until I got to the Smokies. Lying in the tent at night, I got to thinking about the culture of hunting.

The most famous American writer of the 20th century was probably Ernest Hemingway. According to Paul Johnson, he even qualifies as an intellectual of sorts, in the code of manhood and how it related to politics. His fame as a writer was inseparable from his celebrity(and sometimes notoriety) as a man of action who sometimes risked his life in fishing trips off the coast of Cuba or hunting safaris in Africa(though what really did him in was a plane crash, or mechanical failure). It was as if his code not only required man to stand tall before danger but go out of his way to pursue danger for danger’s sake. It wasn’t enough to write but to have the right stuff.
He admired men who put their lives on the line. His novels reserve special respect for those who experienced brush with death and came out stronger — it’s as if true wisdom comes only by the test of physical endurance that can break or make a man. Gunshot wounds and arrow marks are like scars of pride, like among primitive hunting tribes. Hemingway was obsessed with bullfighting where man was both the hunter and the hunted. Some of his short stories are set in Africa among hunters and lovers(as if the hunt is a metaphor for the game of love or manhood’s refuge from its frustrations). Some writers just write. Others, like Hemingway and Yukio Mishima, sought the harmony or fusion of the pen and sword/gun. Norman Mailer, who wrote the first great World War II novel and loved boxing, was also in that category. Going deeper into American history, there is James Fenimore Cooper and the stories of hunters-explorers, though Michael Mann’s rousing quasi-fascist adaptation of THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS is the only thing I know of the Leatherstocking Tales. And though whaling(as a commercial enterprise) in MOBY DICK isn’t exactly hunting in the conventional sense, it is really about an obsessive hunt for a particular whale than whaling as commerce.
It’s as if that one particular whale keeps alive the mythic power of nature being overwhelmed by man and his technology. It refuses to be turned into more blubber for lamp oil. It’s terrifying but also reassuring because man’s dominion over nature was becoming all too evident with accelerating progress. (Isn’t it a bummer that we can’t hold any animal in awe anymore as their numbers are dwindled by poachers, though I suppose a poor Indian villager still worries about being devoured by a tiger or leopard. Personally, the most terrifying animal I encountered was a gopher on a hiking trail that did the ‘black knight’ thing in MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL. It bared its incisors and wouldn’t budge and then chased me around a good deal.)
John Huston, who made a decent movie out of Herman Melville’s novel, was an avid hunter like Ernest Hemingway, a self-professed maverick who liked to live on the edge. Supposedly, he put his life on the line several times on the set of MOBY DICK, and his African adventure, where he planned to shoot both AFRICAN QUEEN and big game, was the inspiration for the novel WHITE HUNTER, BLACK HEART, which was made into a movie(unsuccessful commercially) by Clint Eastwood who remained unmistakably himself to its detriment. (It also has Eastwood acting tough by putting down an anti-Semitic British woman; yeah, it’s really tough to pander to Jews in Hollywood!)

When I was young, movies like HATARI(directed by Howard Hawks) and MOGAMBO(directed by John Ford) often played on TV. Hunting was presented as exciting and fun. It was full of thrills and a test of man’s character in face of danger(and a world full of Negroes with spears, though most of them seemed surprisingly hospitable to whites). BORN FREE is about Elsa, a lioness raised among humans but faced with the near-insurmountable challenge of returning to nature. Having being nurtured and fed by loving humans, it failed to develop hunting-and-fighting skills and must be taught how or learn the hard way on its own or die. (Despite the happy ending in the movie, Elsa was mauled to death at the age of six by rival lions. It’s a cruel world, this nature. The best nature documentary I’ve seen is LIONS AND HYENAS, a grim, harrowing portrait of the bloodcurdling ways of predators. It also shows how animals not only exhibit aggression and rage but can burn with hatred. It’s so different from those pictorial nature programs where everything is spectacular and romanticized.)

But over the years, hunting came to be regarded with less respect, even with hostility. One of the biggest firestorms on social network some years back was when some white hunter in Africa killed a lion. Most of the outrage came from white people in the West, while some black person of African origin wrote an op-ed in the NYT that his folks back home lived in fear of the much dreaded lions. Perhaps, the lion-romantics were thinking of THE LION KING(like politicians worship The Zion King). Would they have been so outraged if the hunter killed a hippo or cape buffalo? Or a honey badger? On the other hand, movies like THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS suggest the theme of hunting can still catch on with the mass audience. (Still, whereas in the old movies hunting was done for sport or commerce, THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS is morally justified on grounds that the said lions are man-eaters, which makes the hunt a case of self-defense than a sport for trophy.)

Perhaps, the two most famous movies with the theme of hunting in the 1970s were DELIVERANCE and THE DEER HUNTER. In both, hunting goes from adventure to a darker metaphor of man’s place in the world. Burt Reynold’s character fishes with bow-and-arrow. Jon Voight’s character spots a deer but loses his nerves at the decisive moment. Later, the story turns into man-hunting-man, and Voight’s character is penetrated by his own arrow. It’s as if man goes from predator to prey. The hunter learns what it is like to be hunted, and the hunted learns how to become a hunter, a real killer. In THE DEER HUNTER, the first hunt is presented majestically, especially with the Rockies doubling as the Appalachian range. But in the second hunt, Robert DeNiro’s character, recently returned from the war where he was the hunted one, cannot make himself shoot the deer. Thus, the notion of the hunt goes full circle into self-consciousness. The predator discovers what it is to be the prey and even identifies with it. (Still, there is a distinction between the hunter and the soldier. A hunter of his own free will goes into nature in pursuit of prey. It is his decision and his adventure. Also, it is up to him to kill the deer or let it go. Thus, there is an element of nobility in hunting whereas soldiering, for all the talk of patriotism and honor, is about being drafted into mass slaughter of people you don’t even know. The hunter must kill mindfully whereas the soldier must kill mindlessly.) James Dickey, who wrote DELIVERANCE, was a hunter himself and an expert archer. THE DEER HUNTER was accused of jingoism, and Michael Cimino was no peacenik. Still, just like the Western genre took a darker turn in the 1950s, the hunter went from a romantic figure of manhood and adventure to a darker figure of destruction or self-doubt. In Jim Jarmusch’s GHOST DOG: THE WAY OF THE SAMURAI, couple of white hunters are deserving to be murdered by the Negro Hero because they killed a bear. Now, bears are my favorite animal, but what is the moral logic in a film where the Negro is a hired killer himself. I I guess the mere fact of being black confers upon him some extrajudicial right to punish ‘bearacists’.

THE HUNTER with Willem Dafoe is another dark-themed movie on the subject. Its hunter is a hired gun after a near-extinct species. Still, it depicts the inner struggle within the heart of the hunter. In the end, it’s more about motives than the act itself. Dafoe’s character is a mercenary, and thereby lies his treachery but also the possibility of redemption because, after all, a hunter with honor would not be gunning down the last remaining specimen of a dying species for money. It’d be as bad as killing Snow White.

This applies to war in general: The distinction between patriot-soldier versus the soldier-of-fortune. It is also why the bounty hunter was disdained in the traditional Western(and even in the neo-Western like THE WILD BUNCH by Sam Peckinpah. Even though they were after outlaws, they did it for money, not justice. It’s also the moral conflict in MIDNIGHT RUN. The question of the motives. Just like you can do the wrong thing for the right reason, you can do the right thing for the wrong reason. But then, in the more cynical universe of Sergio Leone, bounty killers/hunters could be ‘cool’ and impressive because “In a world where life had no value, death sometimes had its price… That is why bounty hunters appeared to make lots of money collecting dead bodies of people whose mugs are on ‘wanted’ posters.”

Given the vast wilderness that lay before the white man in the New World, one would think the theme of the Hunter would have played a bigger role in American popular culture. But the narratives of Westward expansion have largely passed over the theme of hunting, at least in movies and TV shows. The popular TV show GRIZZLY ADAMS would have you believe the Adams was some gentle-souled cross between Jesus and Tarzan who lived in blissful harmony with nature when he was a rough man who was ultimately killed by one of his bears. John ‘Kermit’ Denver’s idea of nature.

There are exceptions, like JEREMIAH JOHNSON, based on mountain men who ventured westward to hunt and trap animals. But most stories set in the West are about man vs man, either Cowboys vs Indians or Lawmen vs Outlaws. Maybe there is a certain shame involved in the rapid destruction of wild life. At one time, whites in the East thought that trees and animals were bountiful, almost limitless, in Western lands. But within several decades, 50 million bison were reduced to few thousands. Destruction of habitats led to the sudden extinction of the passenger pigeon that once blackened the sky(and probably rained down birdy doo all over). This sense of shame is addressed in movies like DANCES WITH WOLVES where Indians(and Kevin Costner’s character) lament at the white man’s way of killing bison merely for hide and profits, whereas Indians hunt to survive and use every part of the animal. (The less naively romantic will remind you that Indians too had no qualms about burning down entire forests and slaughtering more bison than they could consume, not least by driving entire herds over cliffs.) And Jim Jarmusch’s revisionist Western DEAD MAN begins with white men in a train car who, upon spotting bison, shoot at them like mindless killing machines. The film seems to suggest white folks see the world in the simple binary of the living and the dead, with the living living to make the other living dead in a zero-sum game of total domination. In contrast, Indians inhabit a world where life and death are interwoven as myth and spirituality, just like there’s no distinction between man and nature among the primitives. Some have found the film to be a profound and necessary critique of modernity’s tendency to categorize the world either in the name of science or commerce. Others have found it to be insane, flaky, and retarded. I’m somewhere in between. It’s often ugly and putrid(and self-righteous in tone, like the songs of Neil Young who did the music) but has a great ending worthy of Tarkovsky. American West is mostly about pioneers than about man vs animal, and the great hunts in movies are usually set in places like Africa. There is plenty of animals to kill in North America but it largely owes to the near extinction of apex predators like cougars and wolves. So, humans must cull the population of various plant-eaters busily devouring trees & roots and spilling out into highways. (For some, hunting may be associated with tracking down fugitive Negroes with blood hounds. In George Romero’s zombie movies, rural hunting folks are hardly distinguishable from the stereotype of rednecks whose favorite sport is hanging Negroes from trees.) THE REVERENT is also a dark narrative of the West.

It could be the difference between ‘liberals’ and ‘conservatives’ is the former tends to have a neo-aristocratic take on hunting whereas the latter has a more democratic attitude. Most ordinary ‘liberals’ either disapprove of or don’t care for hunting, but a good number of elite ‘liberals’ have impressive gun collections and do hunt. Elites hunt, masses don’t on the ‘liberal’ side.
In contrast, many ‘conservatives’ not only feel that hunting should be open to all but functions as a culture that defines community & tradition and rite-of-passage from boyhood to manhood. Pauline Kael criticized THE DEER HUNTER for perpetuating this very myth of American Manhood, i.e. Cimino’s work is less about the horrors of war than about how men become True Men through the trial of violence and war where every fiber of one’s being is tested. Hemingway likewise romanticized war as the greatest subject for a writer.

Three excellent movies involving hunters or hunting culture are DERSU UZALA(Akira Kurosawa), HIMATSURI(more a story about lumber men, but their culture overlaps with that of hunters), and INTO THE WILD, where a estranged son of an upper-middle family makes it to Alaska and must survive as a hunter, though what really does him in his failure as a gatherer(of plants). All three movies capture the mystique of nature without romanticizing it.

Denis Villeneuve’s PRISONERS begins with a man instructing his son in a hunt. The father is a somewhat troubled figure who is driven to the edge when his child is abducted. In the ensuing manhunt, he goes vigilante, only to be ensnared in the trap set by the object of his pursuit. (Visually impressive, it’s mostly torture porn, as well as one of those movies with the most kindly Negroes while the biggest threat to the community turns out to be – spoilers alert! – some old rural woman, LOL, who makes Norman Bates look like a boy scout. Right, never mind all the feral blacks ruining cities and communities. Never mind all the white deaths from opioids. What we really need to fear is killer granny.) A far darker take on hunting is SURE FIRE, an independent film by Jon Jost where it’s used as a metaphor for American culture of domination and death. It goes from the father teaching his son how to use the rifle to using it on his son, then turning it on himself. Sometimes, I wonder if works like these aren’t more the projection of the artist’s own neurosis than reflection of social reality.

Granted, there are some nutters out there. Though not a gun owner myself, I accompanied a friend in the early 90s on visits to private gun dealers. One guy was a Vietnam veteran and kept yammering about how Libyans were planning to invade the US and why people must be armed for the fateful day. Where did his get his worldview? From RED DAWN and Chuck Norris movies? While Hollywood’s depiction of small town America is mostly slander, there are some nutty militia-types out there. And some of these people end up serving in the US military and blowing things up in the Middle East as dupes for Zionists(like my gun-loving friend ended up doing).
According to Costa Gavras’ BETRAYED(written by the trashy Joe Eszterhas), white militia types kidnap Negroes and set them loose to be hunted down like animals, ROTFL. Thus, the culture of hunting on the Right isn’t restricted to animals but an atavistic ritual of deep-seated tribalism verging on human sacrifice. (If, on occasion, white folks still kill blacks, it has to do with self-defense against black thugs and criminals, not some ideological training in white supremacism, but then, Jewish Hollywood and Media have spread all sorts of vile defamation against white Americans that are then absorbed by international directors like Gavras. Much of European animus toward White America stems from Jewish Media’s defamation of whiteness. BETRAYED seems to have served as training film for the current FBI. To be sure, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was the real smash at the box office but soon became unfashionable with the rise of globo-homo and tranny-wanny. Today, the FBI is like this organization directed by Jewish homos and trannies to hunt down imaginary KKK.)

On the other hand, there is the vanity of man as the ‘most dangerous game’, like in the short story by Richard Connell. Not only has it been made into a movie but spawned stuff like RAMBO and countless others where the hunted man becomes the most awesome hunter. Playing both the hunted and hunter adds a bit of christ mythology, like when Sylvester Stallone is hoisted christ-like as the maverick soldier willing to sacrifice his life for the abandoned P.O.W.s. There you go. Rambo is Conan + Jesus.

Among young ones today, their predatory instincts are surely channeled most into video games. By the age of twelve, the players probably shot, hacked, or bludgeoned half a million of units in various games. The popularity of sports owes to athletes serving in the roles of hunter-heroes. They compete for trophies. It advantages blacks because they evolved in Africa to be hunter-warriors. Thus, blacks win the most trophies as ersatz hunters of Western modernity, and blackness is highly regarded by the much-cucked white race that now offers its women to black studs. But, the black advantage in sports is also primed for criminality, and this means the police(the great majority being white) have no choice but to hunt down black criminals. The white mind admires the black hunter-prowess in sports but cannot connect the dots between black athleticism and black criminality. In their hero-worship of black athletes, they are outraged by police violence against black criminality when, in fact, if not for sports, many black athletes would likely be criminals(and indeed many of them are despite all the money they earn). As whites have lost out in sports, they look to superhero movies, horror movies, and other fantasies as outlet for their sublimated hunter-instincts. Maybe you can be Spiderman. Or, you can hunt for vampires or zombies that, in turn, hunt for you. Or become a ‘good’ vampire like Bella and feed on animal blood than human blood — what happens when Mormonism dreams of vampires.

Of course, Jews have their own favorite theme of the hunt. The Hunt for the Nazi Criminal. Simon Wiesenthal and his formidable Jew Crew of bloodhounds. It crops up in movies like MARATHON MAN and THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL. Gregory Peck, who tried to stop the Devil Child in THE OMEN, is Josef Mengele trying to produce a clone army of Little Hitlers. A more intelligent Nazi-hunting film is Paolo Sorrentino’s THIS MUST BE THE PLACE where some decadent Jewish pop star cleans up his act after his father’s death and goes on a sober(ing) journey to hunt down the Nazi baddy. Another decent Nazi-Hunt film is THE GERMAN DOCTOR. But if Latinos want to wring their hands about genocide, they should just look into their own history of what was done to the brown natives.

The most hilarious(unintentionally of course)is Atom Egoyan’s REMEMBER. (Egoyan’s decline from one of Canada’s most interesting film-makers to an agit-prop dispenser of moral cheap shots is truly dispiriting. How did a man who once made works like EXOTICA come to making such garbage?) Still, those movies were about going after Nazi-Nazis. Recently, there was some TV show with Al Pacino calling on ‘mitzvah’ on ‘white supremacists’ who could be anyone who wore a MAGA hat. Jewish Power, fearful of white awakening under Trump that may defy globalist hegemony(mostly in service to Zion), has decided to spread far and wide a bloodthirst for hunting ‘nazis’ in a world where Trump is ‘literally Hitler’, making anyone who voted for him a literally-little-hitler. (Of course, what is most Hitler-like about Trump is his total support of ultra-rightist Zionist tyranny over Palestinians, but that’s one thing even ‘liberal’ Jews appreciate about the man.) So, even as most ‘liberals’ aren’t into hunting culture, they are certainly into (witch)hunting-mentality.

Hunting-as-metaphor is a broad subject perhaps because apes evolved into man as hunters, a process that imprinted something deep in the human psyche. While monkeys and apes are also known to kill and devour small animals, they are mostly plant-eaters. Most of what gorillas and orangutans consume is vegetarian. Chimps, far more social, tend to kill more but they too subsist mostly on plants. When it comes to other animals, they are far more worried about being killed as prey than killing as predators. Gorillas mostly live in dense jungles and also have the strength to defend themselves from most animals. Chimps have to worry about leopards but can climb trees to flee danger. But when apes began to walk upright and become more manlike(like in the opening of 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY), it became a matter of kill or be killed. Their mode turned more from flight to fight, and with the mastery of tools and weapons, proto-man apes rose up the ranks in the predatory hierarchy until they became the apex predator, even able to bring down buffalos, bears, mammoths, giant sloths, and tapirs. (The bone eventually turned into a space ship hunting for new worlds out in space.) Thus, the herbivore turned semi-carnivore(or omnivore), that is until agriculture emerged to make man more herbivoric once again. Still, the emergence of the predatory instinct was crucial to the transformation of ape to man, and this hunter instinct has become sublimated into so many human endeavors.

It’s oft been noted that predators generally are more intelligent than prey animals. Whereas prey herbivores merely need to chew on grass or eat whatever is available, predators must seek and capture food. And this requires some strategy. Granted, not all predators are smart, and some herbivores are remarkably intelligent. Take pigs and elephants. Herbivores but among the smartest animals. In contrast, sharks are near the top of the food chain in the sea but dumb as hell. So are crocodiles.
Maybe, we need to draw a distinction between munch-predators and hunch-predators. Munch-predators don’t need to be smart because food is all around. A shark merely needs to open its mouth and scoop up a big school of fish. Something will enter its jaws. And a crocodile merely needs to wait until some thirsty animal comes near water to drink. The food is always coming towards it. Munch whatever is nearby. In contrast, hunch-predators must hunch low and strategize to obtain their kill. For example, wolves must coordinate and rely on teamwork to bring down animals that a single wolf cannot kill on its own. A lone wolf is no match for a moose or a bear, but a pack of wolves can even scare the bejeezus out of a Grizzly. Lions also rely on teamwork and strategy. Solitary felines rely on stealth. As they lack stamina, they must get as close to the prey as possible before pouncing, and this requires subtle coordination between mind and body. (As for insect predators, I suppose they should be treated more like programmed organic machines than sentient creatures. They are totally superb in what they do but that’s all they can do.)

As for higher intelligence among pigs and elephants, maybe it’s related to their noses. Their nose-centrism turns them somewhat into predatory herbivores. If animals like deer just eat whatever is around them, pigs with their super-acute noses are always on the search for hidden foods, like roots and truffles. And elephants do amazing things with their noses, aka trunks. They’d be examples of nose-led intelligence.
As for monkeys and apes, their higher intelligence was probably related to trees. Their fingers grew longer to move from branch to branch to flee danger and seek out fruits, but as the fingers grew longer over time, monkeys and apes discovered they could do more with their extremities than initially meant for. They developed proto-creative tendencies as fingers are suited for versatility and the use(and even making)of tools. So, among herbivores, they were outliers that could compete with and even surpass the predatory animals.

Because of this duality of prey mentality(ape) and predator mentality(ape-into-proto-man) among humans, it’s hardly surprising that the culture of weaponry is both ‘clawic’ and ‘hornic’. Predators use claws to hunt prey animals, and prey animals use horns to defend against predators. In human society, criminals are like predators and they use weapons, knives or guns, as ‘clawic’ instruments. (Interesting that ‘liberals’, though disdainful of hunters who kill animals, have often been partial to the likes of Bonnie and Clyde who prey on ordinary folks.) In contrast, law-abiding folks own guns for ‘hornic’ purposes, that is as potential prey defending their life and property from criminal predators, often Negroes in the US. Kyle Rittenhouse is a perfect example of the ‘hornic’ gun-owner. (Cops are somewhere between ‘clawic’ and ‘hornic’ because they serve to protect but also actively hunt down criminals, which is why some crime movies featured lawmen as half-outlaw themselves, more domesticated wolves than sheep with horns.) The mentality is that of Ralphie(bullied at school) in A CHRISTMAS STORY who dreams of owning a BB gun to protect family by hunting down criminal varmints:

And with Jewish or ZOG-like takeover of US elite institutions, many white Americans feel they need guns against the hawk-like government. After 1/6 event, the FBI has been on the hunt for just about anyone who stepped inside the Capitol building, and some prisoners have been treated like animals in cages. Recent gun sales suggest people are stocking up for some fateful moment in the future when things will come to a head. Some speak of civil war. Wars begin as series of battles but end with the last combatants, those who refuse to give up the fight, being hunted down like animals.

In a way, if humans evolved into being from herbivoric apes to predatory hunters, dogs evolved in the opposite direction: From pure predators(as wolves) to semi-herbivoric creatures. While wolf violence is ‘clawic’, dog violence is largely ‘hornic’ in defense of man and his property. And even though dogs serve as co-hunters alongside man, they also serve as protectors and even ‘friends’ with sheep, which they defend from coyotes, wolves, and other killers. Also, dogs adapted to subsist in large part on plant diet. In impoverished societies, dogs make do mostly with corn, potatoes, rice, beans, and veggies. Japanese dogs seem to have a thing for cabbage.

The duality of prey/predator mentality is also at the profound hypocrisy of the Christian West. Jesus spoke of the meek. He was their shepherd, and ideally the Faithful should be gentle as a lamb. But the Christian West also became the most adventurous, aggressive, and ambitious civilization hellbent on conquering(and converting) all the world. It became the greatest apex predatory civilization the world had ever seen, but its Christian ethos portrayed itself in prey-like terms.
It is no wonder the Western genre focused more on decent Christian folks being attacked by savage Indian heathens than on the fact that whites were encroaching on Indian land, clearing the forests, and wiping out wild life. And yet, it wasn’t just hypocrisy but a kind of paradox: To create a more peaceful order where people could practice the brotherhood-of-man schtick, much of nature and savage-tribal ways had to be ruthlessly eradicated for civilization of laws and sacraments. It applied not only to American Indians but to black Africans brought over to serve as slaves. Only through violence could blacks be forced to live by law and order than by jungle jivery. And the post-WWII discourse held that Evil Civilizations came to see the light and walk the straight path only through defeat by ultra-violence. Thus, Japan and Germany became ‘liberal democracies’ at the cost of millions of lives in the ‘Good War’, or the good extermination. It’s interesting that Jewish Power seeks to guilt-bait white civilization for all the violence it committed in the name of progress and prosperity but then also argues that any amount of violence and mayhem is justified in order to tame and reform Evil ‘Racist’ Whites into Good Cuck Whites. So, shame on white ruthlessness but glory to anti-white ruthlessness.

Is the predatory instinct naturally more curious and adventurous than the prey instinct? Not always. Most predators do little but rest and sleep after satiating themselves with the kill. Lions sleep 20 hours a day. In contrast, rodents, though herbivores, are among the most restless and energetic animals. And they seem obsessed with gnawing through everything. It’s still probably true that predatory animals have more play in them. Kittens and puppies are more playful than kids(goat babies) or calves. But young monkeys and apes are also very playful. More often than not, playfulness seems more associated with aggression than passivity, though excessive aggression directs most of one’s energies towards narrow set of interests, which is the problem with Negroes whose aggression usually amounts to humping and thumping.

While all organisms, plants and animals, are expansive, multiplying and spreading as far and wide as possible, the hunting instinct is distinct in its surgical aggression. The hawk pinpoints the prey and swoops down on it. This surgical targeting mentality is what separates predators from prey. Prey animals must be alert to the slightest sign of danger, but the senses are reactive than proactive. Thus, it requires danger to activate their senses. In contrast, the predatory or hunting instinct, being proactive and searching, could develop beyond its original purpose, and in a way, all of human endeavors and achievements could be characterized as the product of the ‘hunt’ for something. The hunt for treasure, the hunt for hidden secrets, hunt for some cure.

In Coen Brothers A SERIOUS MAN, the white goy neighbors(who seem Germanic) are literally into hunting. The father passes the gun to the son like a torch. Though members of modern society, it’s as if their sense of culture derives from barbarian ways. However, the Jewish father is also a seeker, a hunter for truth, perhaps of God Himself, except that it’s a mental pursuit. Perhaps, this is what distinguishes the Jewish mindset from the goy Christian mindset. Though Judaism calls for humility before God, it’s also aggressive toward God in gnawing at the secrets God has hidden. In contrast, Christianity believes that all has been revealed through Jesus, and its adherents no longer need to search or demand more answers; just embrace and believe, and partake of Jesus as the final sacrificial kill in man’s hunt for salvation. In contrast, the Jewish Way is more like that of the dwarfs in Terry Gilliam’s TIME BANDITS, what E. Michael Jones calls the ‘Jewish Revolutionary Spirit’. But does he really think Jews will lose this tendency if they accept Jesus? Perhaps, white goy Christians lack such mindset not because they accepted Jesus but because their personalities are different at the genetic level. If Dan Quayle were to convert to Judaism while Alan Dershowitz were to become Christian, I suspect Quayle will remain his generic ‘white bread’ self while Dershowitz will still be restless in his neo-Christian ways. Jews turning to ‘conservatism’ as ‘neocons’ certainly didn’t take away their restless spirit.

My personal views on hunting are as follows. I generally don’t like the idea of killing animals(especially birds as flight is wondrous), but I understand some species must be culled due to absence of natural predators. Also, killing animals for food makes perfect sense. After all, life is about life consuming life, and unless one is a Buddhist, what need to break free of this cycle? Hunting for sport is understandable given our animal-predatory instincts but strikes me as distasteful for any truly civilized person.
Sam Peckinpah as a boy caught more fish than he could eat, but his grandfather made sure he ate every last catch as lesson that no living creature should be killed for fun. The same lesson is imparted in THE GREATEST GIFT, an ok-TV movie with Glenn Ford as reverend who buys his son a rifle.

There are some people into hunting as a test of manhood. This seems plausible with a primitive savage with stone-age weapon going on the hunt. But, does it make sense with a high-powered rifle that can bring down a bull elephant with one shot? What is so tough about shooting a moose or a bear? A charging Grizzly may be a challenge, but why not just leave the stupid animal alone? It reminds me of the movie CONGO where none of the craziness would be happening if the humans just stayed out of the jungle and left the dumb apes alone.
One good thing about the gun is its merciful efficiency. Who wants to be a deer stuck with an arrow wandering through the forest in agony? Who wants to be a bear with a spear stuck on its side? The scenes of hunting with spears in the Italian documentary AFRICA ADDIO is truly gruesome and gut-wrenching(though I can’t blame the primitive Negroes for what is their livelihood), and the hunting rifle sure made it a lot more merciful for animals if indeed they are to be hunted.

Some have accused Ted Nugent of being an evil person, and the invective struck me as over-the-top, typical anti-conservative spiel. But upon perusing his book, he does seem rather unhinged. His philosophy of hunting is like his philosophy of war. Just shoot em and blow em up, as if the mayhem of nature and nations is one big celebration, a rock concert. Such unthinking childishness. No wonder Jewish wits use goy dimwits as soldiers. It’s like man and dog. When order breaks down, sword rules the pen. But as long as order remains, pen rules the sword. Yet, so many of the Right ‘cling to guns’ as Obama put it. Of course, he wanted white folks to give up guns, not gain mastery of pens and cameras, but they better do the latter or perish.

 
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  1. What comments in a Semi-Open Thread are foreclosed?

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  2. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Why not go hunting and learn something about it before writing a rambling 6500 word article about a subject that know only from movies? For instance you’d know that comparing actual hunting to video games is a waste of time. And yes I’ve killed and eaten many animals. Wild game is lean, flavorful, and sure beats a plate of corn feed hormone laden flavorless grease. I have hunted with a .44 mag, there isn’t a lot of visibility in the bush anyway.

    PS Bear meat is delicious, but make sure you cook it thoroughly or you can get trichinosis, and don’t eat the liver it will kill you. I’ve never seen a black hunter btw.

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  3. meamjojo says:

    I’ve eaten store-brought venison, antelope and bison, all of which I enjoy greatly. As for actual hunting, the only hunting I have done is vicariously through TV series like Mountain Men & Life Below 30. I’m impressed by the work & skills I see to hunt the animals, kill them, carve them up and often have to drag/backpack 100+ lbs of meat back to their truck or base.

  4. Biff says:

    Guns and hunting was my passion starting around eleven years old. Only owned sporting guns though; bolt action rifles, pump shotguns, single shot Thompson Contender. I do have a lever action Winchester that would work well for hunting, but it’s just a collector at this point. That said, I gave up the trade(because where I now live) and my last hunting trip was in 2014.
    Anyone hunting with an assault rifle is considered an idiot of epic proportions – a gun is literally a tool that is designed for a specific purpose. Gun calibers and cartridges are engineered to kill a specific set of species – heavy calibers for big game, and light bird shot for doves and pigeons etc.. Assault rifles are designed to kill humans and are way too light for hunting game(you’ll only wound a deer or elk with one – and in fact in most states it is illegal to use them).

    My opinion: Elk is by far the best tasting wild game in North America, and it was the primary hunting trip of the year. Down from that we have pheasant, duck, White tail deer, turkey. Keep in mind there is a special skill set for preparing(getting all the blood out), and cooking wild game – it’s lean and the taste is strong. I used to think Canada goose was the most disgusting meat ever, until I met a guy who knew what he was doing(preparation is key) and it was some of the finest meat I’ve had.

    On the spiritual end it was the most ritualistic event in my life. It wasn’t like I thought it was a good idea and I might try it – it was more like it had me so enthralled I couldn’t be stopped. Granted I had family who were instrumental in getting me started, and some of those trips ended up being some of the best memories of my life. Scored my first elk at sixteen years old.

    Lastly, the most important element for the survival of a species is habitat, and the number one largest and most powerful habitat preservation activity is hunting fees, and related spending.

  5. Let’s see: grizzly is very gamy, too gamy to suit me, but maybe my mom didn’t cook it right. Moose and elk are very tasty. In Alaska people get permits to butcher moose roadkill. I’ve fried many a squirrel, and they are good, but full of shot. You have to parboil the meat (bring it up to a boil and then throw away the water), then fry it like chicken. Possum is greasy, but you are supposed to cook it with sweet potatoes. A black lady in my home town showed me how, and it tasted like pork. You have to put them in boiling water and scrape them like pigs. Alligator is very white, whiter than chicken, and has a faint fishy taste. Rattlesnake is similar. Wild doves are good. Rabbits. I’ve cooked ‘em all. Pro hint: Don’t feed the dog the guts, or you will be sorry.

  6. gay troll says:
    @Greta Handel

    Any sort of intelligent or relevant discourse will not be tolerated here.

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  7. BorisMay says:

    Dog stew is very tasty. Most indigenous keep dogs as a reserve food supply. Cats work best in a curry. Budgerigars and similar pet birds work well in a crusty pastry topped pie, in the way that blackbird pie is cooked.

    I’ve only ever hunted humans. Big game hunting, in my opinion, is a mental illness no different than war, (or killing humans), which I opted out of resulting in me purchasing my release with the help of a solicitor.

    I don’t think this writer understands either hunting or why humans eat meat.

    As both an archaeologist and anthropologist I know that the calorific cost of hunting animals in a stone age Neolithic context is generally too high to make it a viable option, from a survival viewpoint.

    It is much more efficient to keep to a vegetable diet supplemented by fish and fruit, and where possible by milk and cheese despite the difficulty of digesting the last two. Meat supplements from animal kills of prey, death through injury or old age are the only realistic options.

    This means the term ‘hunter-gatherer’ is actually misleading. In Neolithic times (the last stone age before the Bronze Age) it would be more correct to define people as ‘gatherer-fishers’.

    Farming of meat only came about circa 3000BC due to climate change where cloud cover and constant rainfall brought about the destruction of traditional wild vegetable stocks.

    Animals are creatures of habit and move to high pasture at the end of winter, before returning to low pasture at the end of summer. They move as one large herd as a matter of safety and can be found most concentrated at choke points like gorges, river crossings and mountain passes. Here they can be killed in large numbers even with bow and arrow or spear or even large rocks.

    The only problem is that the meat quickly goes off and long term preservation is costly and time confusing. Clearly it would be better to catch these wild animals and farm them for milk, cheese, butter and cull them for meat as required.

    Thus Neolithic people built a cursus to trap living animals in at these choke points and then transferred them to henges, where they could be contained, watered and in winter fed with hay.

    Unfortunately most archaeologists have their heads up their backsides because they have convinced themselves that both cursus and henge are representations of religious practice. Obviously these deluded overpaid idiots need to be put out with nothing but Neolithic tools to survive. This would make them realise the absurdity of their beliefs. One shaman is enough spirituality for a village of 700 or 800 people.

    When you are facing starvation on a daily basis religion always takes a back seat.

  8. pil says:

    The .44 magnum is often loaded into lever action rifles and used for relatively short range hunting of deer and pigs.
    Some people hunt with a .44 magnum revolver but most most a rifle.

  9. ruralguy says:

    I both hunted and trapped when I was young, but haven’t done either for decades. To really understand both, you have to be immersed into them. You can’t learn about it from watching movies. Your gun, your hunting clothes, boots, your knife, etc, become your whole world. It’s a primitive and natural way that resonates with how our brains are wired. About twenty years ago, I flew into a remote Alaskan camp to fish. All those hunting and trapping instincts came back. It was exhilarating. To those of you who can’t understand that mode of thought, you might want to consider that our extreme social way of living is really out of balance with how our brains are wired. It is unnatural, while hunting, fishing, and trapping are our natural way of interacting with the world.

  10. @gay troll

    As good a guess as any.

    The additions of the megalomanic windbag Raches and now this equally verbose, stream-of-bottishness Jung-Freud are mystifying.

    Naughty disparagement of “Negroes” is nothing new around here, and this columnist has now written a second meandering article based on candidly acknowledged ignorance.

    What’s the point, Mr. Unz? Are you even reading this stuff?

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  11. I grew up hunting in the ozarks Some of my best memories are the time I spent hunting with my Dad. I taught both my sons to hunt and we spend a few days every year hunting whitetails, turkeys and squirrels

    The movies you mention are poor representations of actual hunting experiences To get a feel for the hunting culture in rural America I strongly suggest watching a few episodes of the Meateater on Netflix

  12. The article is dumb jewing, low level dumb jewing.

    He justifies neocons using us as a golem to fight wars for Israel.

    It’s not that jews are smarter; it’s that jews are devious pussies.

  13. dearieme says:

    I used to shoot when I was a boy. Old bean tins. The beans were delicious.

  14. I grew up with guns and hunting.

    I had a BB gun to start with, then a 22, etc.

    My father had a big gun collection.

    We went to the gun range fairly often and my sisters enjoyed it as much as I did.

    Most of my buddies grew up the same way….guns were a natural part of our lives. None of us ever shot anybody or engaged in any criminal activity.

    Shitlibs think that guns have a life of their own, that guns jump off the couch and kill people.

    Of course, shitlibs also think that SUV’s decide to murder white people at Christmas parades.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  15. Just out of curiosity, do people hunt with assault rifles, AK-47 and AR-15? I recall a political cartoon that mocked gun rights by a hunter mowing down deer with a machine gun. Of course, people own such guns for protection from the government(and maybe gangs of hoodlums during riots). I read somewhere that assault rifles on the market are merely hunting rifles designed to look military. Are cowboy rifles(like Winchesters in Western movies) good for hunting? I don’t suppose anyone hunted with a magnum 44. I can’t imagine giving the Dirty Harry speech to a dying black bear.

    Yes, “assault rifles” are used for hunting. The 7.62 x 39 round is roughly the same as the American favorite 30-30 of lever gun fame. Some will hunt with the AK, but for the round most will use an SKS.

    ARs in various calibers are used in hunting every thing from varmints to hogs and white tail deer. It will depend upon the caliber the firearm is cambered in.

    What you are calling “assault rifles are semi automatic rifles with a particular style of furniture attached. There is not much difference between a Ruger Mini 14 and an AR. One has a wood stock, the other is plastic. Both shoot the same round.

    357 and 44 magnum are both used for hunting. I have taken deer with a pair of Ruger Redhawks, one in 44 mag and one in 45 Colt. Have used lever guns in both calibers as well.

  16. @Biff

    Anyone hunting with an assault rifle is considered an idiot of epic proportions – a gun is literally a tool that is designed for a specific purpose. Gun calibers and cartridges are engineered to kill a specific set of species – heavy calibers for big game, and light bird shot for doves and pigeons etc.. Assault rifles are designed to kill humans and are way too light for hunting game(you’ll only wound a deer or elk with one – and in fact in most states it is illegal to use them).

    You have no clue what you are talking about.

    223 Remington is legal for deer in 39 of the 46 states that allow rifles for whitetail deer. The 223, 5.56, 7.62 x 39, and the 30-30 are all roughly the same when it comes to ballistics. It depends on what bullet you actually have loaded into the case. For the first 3 you want soft points, not FMJ. No, you probably won’t want to hunt an elk with them, but then only about 700,000 people in the US hunt for elk, compared to over 11 million hunting whitetail deer in 2020. Elk is more a rich man’s game.

    The most common poacher round is the 22lr. It is quiet and with a headshot will drop a whitetail where it stands. Most game, including moose and elk, in North America have been taken with a 22lr, especially in economic down times. Not ethical, sporting or legal, but when you have kids to feed it happens.

    There is even an account, with pictures, of a grizzly bear taken with single shot rifle, chambered in 22 long (not long rifle), in 1953 by a Canadian Indian squaw named Bella Twin . The bear dropped with one shot to the head and she fired several more rounds to make sure it was dead. Standing over the down bear and loading her single shot round by round. The bear’s skull has 6-8 holes in the left side just behind the eye socket.

    • Replies: @Biff
  17. Another good story, Senor Freud!
    I’m vegan. Have been for decades. Eating dead animals is a really bad idea, obviously.

  18. One of my favorite clips of all time.

    Old WWII veteran shoots some magical people trying to rob an internet cafe in Florida.
    Oh, and I believe it was a .380.

    The great thing about the .380 is that if you have a gun that size it’s so easy to conceal it
    that you have no excuse not to carry.

  19. First, hunting is terribly misrepresented by authors and Hollywood. I hunt with a bow or occasionally a single shot rifle. Elk is the tastiest game meat, in my experience even better than beef. Bear is good, but greasy since they put on so much fat for winter. Spring bear is better, with a unique flavor( how to describe taste?) whitetail deer venison can be good but depends on it’s feed. Mule deer are a close second to elk.

    Hunting in wild country is interesting, challenging and finally after a kill, a lot of hard work. The kill is usually a denouement since the challenge is stalking within about 25 yds for archery and then staying cool enough to make a clean shot. You need a lot of local knowledge about the topography, game habits and seasonal activities. Finally, you need to be fit and strong.

    Anyone who eats meat really should take responsibility for making the kill and dressing the animal.

  20. First, hunting is terribly misrepresented by authors and Hollywood. I hunt with a bow or occasionally a rifle. Elk is the tastiest game meat, in my experience even better than beef. Bear is good, but greasy since they put on so much fat for winter. Spring bear is better, with a unique flavor( how to describe taste?) whitetail deer venison can be good but depends on it’s feed. Mule deer are a close second to elk.

    Hunting in wild country is interesting, challenging and finally after a kill, a lot of hard work. The kill is usually a denouement since the challenge is stalking within about 25 yds for archery and then staying cool enough to make a clean shot. You need a lot of local knowledge about the topography, game habits and seasonal activities. Finally, you need to be fit and strong.

    Anyone who eats meat really should take responsibility for making the kill and dressing the animal.

  21. What do game animals taste like? Plenty of people have tasted venison, but what about moose(Sarah Palin’s favorite), bear(though it’s pretty close to dog meat as canis and ursus are cousins), beaver(though my guess is it’s caught through trapping than hunting — trapping strikes me as a form of animal-torture that can no longer be justified), wild turkey(and various other prairie fowl), pronghorn(seen in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN), alligator(I’m told all reptiles taste more or less like chicken), raccoon(again, too close to dog meat), opossum(soul food meat), and wild hog. As I’m opposed to the Hogocaust, I stay away from pork, but as wild pigs must be culled, I wouldn’t mind game-pork-ribs.

    I enjoy the flavor of game. My preference is for upland game birds. Pheasant is what God intended chicken to taste like. Cut the bird up, dredge the pieces with flour, then sauté in butter until browned. Add some balsamic vinegar to the pan, allow the acridity to boil off, and then add some stock. Partly cover the pan and braise until tender. Some people like to use sherry instead of balsamic vinegar, and to add cream in lieu of part of the stock. Bobwhite quail are excellent, though one had better have enough of them to make a meal. Wrapped in bacon and grilled is my favorite method of cooking them. Doves are also good, and challenging to shoot. Dove is a dark meat whereas pheasant and bobwhite are not. The only meat on a dove worth the effort is the breast. One simply inserts the thumb beneath the bird’s sternum and lifts up, popping the breast out, then the skin can be removed with a pocket knife. Discard the rest of the bird. A casserole of dove breasts prepared with aromatic vegetables and Madeira makes a wonderful dinner.

    Antlered game is often criticized as tasting “gamy,” but in my experience it depends upon 1) what the animals have been eating and 2) how the animal has been handled after it is killed. Deer feeding on acorns will have orange-colored fat, which will communicate a bitter taste from the quercitrin in the acorns. Much better is deer that has fed on corn or on crabapples. Deer must be gutted and bled promptly to avoid bad flavors. Deer hunters need to learn how to butcher their deer, or find a competent local butcher to handle them. This said, a few years ago a friend who was a competent butcher presented me with the whole tenderloin of a whitetail deer, and (though much smaller than a beef or pork tenderloin) it was one of the best pieces of meat I’ve ever eaten.

    The husband of one of my employees for some years raised elk commercially, selling the meat to butchers and restaurants. I have eaten elk, moose, and caribou here in the U.S., and reindeer in Denmark. My favorite of them all has been caribou. Reindeer is almost the same as caribou, but smaller, and also good. If one wanted to make the kiddies cry, reindeer would be a good supper for Christmas Eve – comparable to serving a fricassée du lapin on for Easter.

    Alligator does not “taste like chicken.” It has its own flavor, which I can’t compare to anything else, but when competently prepared I have enjoyed it on a few occasions.

    If you are going to eat a feral hog, try to kill a sow. Male domestic pigs are gelded for a number of reasons, one of them being that an unaltered boar has very strong-flavored meat. Obviously a feral boar will exhibit this characteristic.

    Just out of curiosity, do people hunt with assault rifles, AK-47 and AR-15? I recall a political cartoon that mocked gun rights by a hunter mowing down deer with a machine gun. Of course, people own such guns for protection from the government(and maybe gangs of hoodlums during riots). I read somewhere that assault rifles on the market are merely hunting rifles designed to look military. Are cowboy rifles(like Winchesters in Western movies) good for hunting? I don’t suppose anyone hunted with a magnum 44. I can’t imagine giving the Dirty Harry speech to a dying black bear.

    I’d be embarrassed to show such ignorance in a public forum.

    Yes, people use the .223 Rem. and the 7.62X39 to hunt for deer, whether in the AR or AK platforms, and they also use such rifles with other cartridges. AR-type rifles are chambered for a surprising variety of calibres, many of them well-suited for deer.

    Semi-automatic rifles which fire one round per pull of the trigger (the class of weapons in which civilian AR- and AK-type rifles belong) are not “machine guns.” They differ in no essential respect from self-loading rifles that have been widely used by hunters since shortly after the turn of the 20th century, e.g., the Winchester Model 1907.

    Yes, “cowboy rifles” of the lever action type are appropriate for hunting and are widely used. Yes, people do hunt with handguns, in .44 Magnum and other calibres. Elmer Keith, who developed the .357 Magnum and the .44 Magnum, was famously a handgun hunter. These revolver calibres are also chambered in rifles. The idea goes back to the 19th century, when the Winchester Models 1873 and 1892 were made in the revolver calibres of .32/20, .38/40, and .44/40.

  22. Beb says:

    My God! How far we have fallen. Virgins are lecturing us about sex.

  23. BuelahMan says:
    @Biff

    Anyone still using the moniker “assault rifle” is the idiot.

  24. nsa says:

    “The unspeakable pursuing the inedible”……Wilde’s description of hunting.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  25. Nick J says:

    Modern man is so disconnected with where food comes from.

  26. @Robert Dolan

    Robert,

    I posted yesterday a reply about John Lennon and without realizing it was his anniversary. What reminded was seeing in the news this morning that an Italian leader saying the 8th of December was also the feast of the Immaculate Conception. Anyway a song for you:

    Lennon derived the title of “Happiness Is a Warm Gun” from that of an article in the May 1968 issue of American Rifleman, the magazine of the National Rifle Association (NRA).[2] The magazine belonged to George Martin, the Beatles’ producer, who had brought it with him to the recording studio.[2] Lennon recalled his reaction to the phrase: “I just thought it was a fantastic, insane thing to say. A warm gun means you just shot something.”[3][4] Written by Warren W. Herlihy, the article told the story of how Herlihy had introduced his teenage son to shooting and how much the young man had come to enjoy the sport.[2]

  27. Biff says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Where I’m from:

    1. CENTERFIRE RIFLES
    a. Must be a minimum of .24 caliber (6 mm).
    b. Must have a minimum 16-inch barrel and be at least 26 inches long.
    c. If semiautomatic, a maximum of six rounds are allowed in the magazine and
    chamber combined.
    d. Must use expanding bullets that weigh a minimum of 70 grains for deer,
    pronghorn and bear, 85 grains for elk and moose, and have an impact
    energy (at 100 yards) of 1,000 ft.-pounds as rated by manufacturer.
    e. It is illegal to hunt game birds, small-game mammals or furbearers with a centerfire rifle larger than .23 caliber during regular rifle deer and elk
    seasons west of I-25, without an unfilled deer or elk license for the season.
    A small-game, furbearer or unfilled big-game license is required.
    NOTE: SMART RIFLES are prohibited, including any firearm equipped with a
    target tracking system, electronically controlled, assisted or computer- linked trigger or a ballistics computer. Any firearm equipped with a scope containing a computer processor is considered to be a smart rifle.

    The nonsense about shooting a bear with a .22 is proof that you come from another planet.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  28. dearieme says:
    @nsa

    But he meant hunting in the British sense not the American.

  29. @Biff

    You must be one of the 7 rifle allowed states that do not allow .223 or 5.56, 39 others do. 11 out of 50 is not “most”.

    As for the bear, I can assure you it was from planet Earth. No matter if you have the experience or knowledge to know what you are talking about.

    https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bella-twin-the-22-used-to-take-the-1953-world-record-grizzly-and-more/#axzz7Eg8q9mNt

    You can see pictures of the skin and the skull at the link. Here is the account.

    On 10 May, 1953, Bella Twin was hunting small game with her partner, Dave Auger, along an oil exploration cutline south of Slave Lake, in Alberta, Canada. She was 63 years old.

    They saw a large grizzly bear coming toward them. Wishing to avoid an encounter, they hid off the side of the cut.

    But the bear kept coming closer and closer. The bear got so close that Bella Twin thought it less risky to shoot the bear than to not shoot it. It was probably only a few yards away. Some accounts say 30 feet. Perhaps she saw it stop and start to sniff, as if it had caught their scent. We may never know.

    She shot at the side of the bears head. Knowing animal anatomy very well (she was an experienced trapper, and had skinned hundreds, perhaps thousands of animals) she knew exactly where to aim to penetrate the skull at its weakest point.

    She shot, the bear dropped. It was huge. She went to the bear and fired the rest of the .22 long cartridges that she had, loading the single shot rifle repeatedly, to “pay the insurance” as Peter Hathaway Capstick said. She made sure the bear was dead, and not just stunned.

    Now will you double down or offer an apology for your ignorance.

  30. I wonder if works like these aren’t more the projection of the artist’s own neurosis than reflection of social reality.

    Interesting, but it starts with an anti-hunting bias (couched in an assumption that it is uncivilised), and too superficial and chock-full of neurotic observations.

  31. @Biff

    Your Ignoid rap on “assault rifles” says more about you than you may realize.
    FYI
    The 7.62×39 cartridge, used in older generation REAL select fire battle rifles, the AK-47/vz-58, and in current semi-auto versions of such…was popularized decades ago as a feral hog/deer hunting cartridge used in, then inexpensive but now not, SKS type semi-auto rifles…that were used as battle rifles in Viet Nam.

    The 223/5.56 cartridge, in its various configurations, used in “THE SCARY ASSAULT RIFLE” AR type semi-auto rifles, as well as in military select-fire battle rifles in many militaries worldwide, is an excellent coyote and other pest hunting cartridge…AND…
    self defense/home protection selection, as the young Kyle Rittenhouse has so effectively demonstrated.

    Try, real hard, to keep your head out of orifices where it doesn’t belong.

    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @Biff
  32. Biff says:
    @Cauchemar du Singe

    I didn’t invent the term ‘A Salt Weapon’; the establishment media did. The rest of your shtick is crap we already know. My point is if you try and take an animal with to light of cartridge, you will most likely wound it and will run off and ultimately parish in agony and pain – such activity is tantamount to animal torture. This is why there are regulations.

    As stated above if you are even seen walking around with an AR-15 during big game season not only are you an idiot, but you are also an illegal idiot. And even if you don’t do that I still consider you an idiot.

    Idiot!

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  33. @Biff

    Again it depends on the state and the game. But you insist on showing your own ignorance. It is hard to fathom someone as ignorant as yourself calling anyone else an idiot.

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