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The Chinese sure can be exasperating. Paul Midler writes in his new book What’s Wrong with China:
No one is sure when it began, but the phrase “I’m having a bad China day” has become synonymous with the expatriate experience … Those who become testy in this country are not limited to the cholerically predisposed. China has a way of also taking easygoing milquetoasts and turning them into hotheads. The phenomenon is so common that long-term expatriates have coined various terms: The Laowai Wigout, The Expat Snap, and Angry Foreigner Syndrome are three such expressions floating around the bigger metropolitan areas.
(Laowai is the common—informal, non-hostile—Chinese term for a foreigner, equivalent to Japanese gaijin. Pronunciation here. During my own China days in the early 1980s the usual expat term for the syndrome under discussion here was “China Fatigue.” I, a representative of the easygoing milquetoast community, recall experiencing one or two episodes.)
Paul Midler is an Old China Hand. He has lived and worked in China for more than twenty years, mainly as a business consultant helping foreign firms in their dealings with Chinese manufacturers. His wife is Chinese. His 2009 book Poorly Made in China (reviewed by me here) is wonderfully informative on the Chinese way of doing business.
These two books of his are in a fine old tradition, to which Midler pays homage in the very title of this latter one.
I encountered that tradition myself when studying Chinese in London thirty-eight years ago. I had a reader’s ticket to the magnificent library of SOAS, the School of Oriental and African Studies, and spent whole days there, in the stacks of the China section.
I can read Chinese only with difficulty, though; so after two or three hours of intense cognitive effort I would, for relaxation, drift over to the shelves of English-language books about China.
The items that most got my interest there were the memoirs and diaries of foreigners living in China during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries—the late-imperial and republican period.
The SOAS library has a great collection of these, almost all by authors whose names have sunk into oblivion: missionaries, merchants, diplomats, adventurers, and oddities like the botanist Robert Fortune. (Who was one of the most upbeat: “In no country in the world is there less real misery and want than in China.” That was written in the mid-1840s.)
One particularly striking book in that genre is Rodney Gilbert’s What’s Wrong with China, first published in 1926. I was so taken with this book, I acquired a copy of my own from the second-hand shelves at Probsthain’s oriental bookstore, around the corner from SOAS.
I still have that copy: so there are now two books on my own shelves with exactly the same title but by different authors, published 92 years apart.
Rodney Gilbert wrote with a frankness about race that would make his book utterly unpublishable nowadays, and he sometimes slipped into the supercilious diction of a Victorian lady complaining about the servants. At one point he actually does complain about his servants.
Also, Gilbert’s partiality for his own race occasionally led him into error. He recounts, for instance, the episode from the Battle of Maldon in a.d. 991 when the Anglo-Saxon leader allowed his Viking enemies to ford a waterway and form up for battle before he attacked them. No Chinese leader, said Gilbert, would ever show such chivalry.
Wrong! In fact there is a closely parallel incident in Chinese history from the Battle of Hongshui (638 b.c.), the source of a well-known remark of Mao Tse-tung’s.
If you can get past all that, though, Rodney Gilbert, writing a long lifetime ago, had some penetrating insights into China’s history, culture, and national character.
Most of those insights are of a negative kind. For a person so intimately acquainted with the Chinese people, he seems not to have liked them much. His keynote, which he returns to again and again, is:
In China the psychic flame burns low, for want of fuel.
Gilbert is not uniformly negative, though. He gives credit where he thinks it’s due.
Like all Orientals, [the Chinese] have a strong dramatic sense, and a professional storyteller, speaking his primitive and undeveloped language [by comparison with the classical style of the scholarly literati, Gilbert means], can rise to heights in characterization, description, narrative and metaphor to which not one Occidental in ten thousand could aspire in his own tongue. An infallible sense of rhythm and cadence is born in the great majority of Chinese. In ordinary speech, they divide their sentences up into euphoniously balanced periods …
Paul Midler quotes Rodney Gilbert numerous times in this new book for which he has borrowed Gilbert’s title. He also quotes many other foreign commentators from that late-imperial, early-republican period.
I get the impression Midler had the same experience I had when studying Chinese. But for a few years’ difference in the dates of our studies, we might unknowingly have bumped into each other among the stacks in SOAS library.
Much water has of course flowed under the bridge since those earlier observers wrote. Midler, however, does not think the quality of observation has improved.
It is curious that books written on China in the 1960s—Dennis Bloodworth’s The Chinese Looking-Glass is an example—should read finer than most of what is produced these days, and that even these books pale in comparison to the works of the previous generation. The trend appears to go back quite some time. In the 1930s, Ralph Townsend was convinced that his contemporaries wrote nothing as accurate as that which was produced by Arthur Smith [1890s] and Abbé Huc [1840s]…
Economic and technological progress alone ought to have made it easier to watch China; but modernity, as it turns out, had actually a negative influence …
You will find more insights in a book written one hundred years ago than in something written last month.
I think that’s right as a generalization. Reading it, in fact, brought to mind something I have I found myself thinking rather often in recent years: The much-discussed Flynn Effect notwithstanding, we are in some important, unquantified way stupider than our forebears of a hundred years ago.
Paul Midler is, however, an exception to that generalization. His observations, based on those twenty years of wrangling with Chinese exporters, take us right back to the unsparing, unillusioned critiques of those old Old China Hands.
Like them, he is eloquent on the ferociously optimizing skills in negotiation that Chinese people bring to commercial transactions.
Chinese factory owners hate to see their customers happy, because it means that money has been left on the table.
Similarly with Chinese customers. A Chinese friend of mine, once established in America, decided to buy a car. He picked the model he wanted, went to a showroom, and began haggling. So persistent was he—“Oh come on, you can give me another fifty dollars on that!”—they threw him out, almost literally. Two of the salesmen pushed him into the street, one at each elbow.
“That,” he exulted, telling me the story, “was when I knew I’d found their price!”
The downside of this high level of commercial acumen is long-term commercial failure. Chinese merchants can’t resist the temptation to kill the golden goose for the sake of a couple more cents on the dollar.
Midler tells the story of tea, which I think is quite well-known. Given that tea is native to China, not (except very marginally) to India, why did the West end up drinking Indian tea, not Chinese tea? Midler:
The tea industry collapsed in part because growers were sending leaves to market without drying them. This was not a time-saving maneuver. It was done because wet leaves weigh more, and the additional weight brought in more revenue. The problem with moisture is that it leads to mold, which affects taste.
Some similar style of cheating may have affected the opium trade, with dire consequences.
In the grand scale of psychoactive substances, opium as smoked in China from the seventeenth century onwards is not exceptionally harmful. A wealthy Chinese opium smoker “’does not seem much the worse’ for his habit,” noted an 1890s observer (quoted by Midler).
So why was opium smoking so devastating among China’s poor? Adulteration, says Midler. In the extreme, a cheap variety named Hankow Cake contained no opium at all, only sesame seeds. Midler:
Historians are so hell-bent on blaming the West for everything that went wrong with China in the nineteenth century that they have no room for an investigation into the serious possibility that the nation may have actually poisoned itself.
I would like to see some rigorous historical research on that, but it’s not implausible, and fits very well with the tiresome Chinese bellyaching about the wrongs done to them by foreigners.
Chinese people acknowledge that an individual fellow-countryman may be wicked, but China as a nation can do no wrong.
National self-esteem is of course not an exclusively Chinese phenomenon. We Americans—well, some of us—treasure our “exceptionalism.” Chinese propagandists take it to the extreme, though.
Midler calls it “collective narcissism” and quotes Lucian Pye, writing fifty years ago:
Nothing can be wrong with the Chinese spirit and their inward identity. All problems must lie outside and therefore be the work of “foreigners.”
The most wince-inducing aspect of this national trait is the frequent announcements out of Peking that some action by some foreign government—holding a meeting with the Dalai Lama, for example— has “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.” Poor things! [Why so sensitive? A complete history of China’s ‘hurt feelings’, by David Bandurski, Hong Kong Free Press, January 29, 2016]
Midler shows that there is nothing communist, or at all modern, about this ploy. He tracks it back to a 1901 article written by Wu Ting-fang, an official in the imperial government, who implored foreign critics to “respect the feelings of the Chinese.” Our author really has read everything.
That point, and many others Paul Midler has drawn from his reading and his commercial dealings, reinforces the grand theme of foreign commentary on China down through the ages: continuity.
The great event in China’s twentieth-century history was Mao Tse-tung’s revolution. Mao boasted that he would re-make China into a socialist utopia.
No such thing happened. In fact nothing much happened. There was a spell of turmoil, to be sure; but when the dust settled, all was as before under Heaven.
The supreme ruler possesses the same attributes and discharges the same functions; the governing classes are chosen in the same manner; the people are bound in the same state of servitude, and enjoy the same practical liberty; all is now as it was.
—Boulger’s History of China (1881).
Leszek Kolakowski in Main Currents of Marxism described Mao Tse-tung Thought as “a naïve repetition of a few commonplaces of Leninist-Stalinist Marxism.” He allows, however, that Mao was “one of the greatest, if not the very greatest, manipulator of large masses of human beings in the twentieth century.”
So Maoism was a cheap Chinese knock-off of Marxism-Leninism. Once Mao’s extraordinary personality ceased to drive events, the political system quickly reverted to the imperial norm.
The continuity of national character comes out clearly in Paul Midler’s use of older commentators. Mao’s revolution, for all its upheavals and horrors, had very little effect on the national psyche, perhaps none at all.
To speak of a “national psyche” nowadays, however, is to trespass into the minefield of Political Incorrectness. The Scots are mean, we used to say blithely; the French are arrogant; the Germans are orderly; the Italians, excitable; the Russians, gloomy; the Irish, pugnacious; and so on.
Saying such things aloud in 2018 will get you horse-whipped on the steps of your club; but common observation suggests that there is some underlying reality to these unmentionable old perceptions, as is usually the case with stereotypes.
(In the current enstupidated condition of our public discourse about human nature, the weary commentator is obliged to add that these are statistical generalities. Of course there exist generous Scots, humble Frenchmen, disorganized Germans, placid Italians, and cheerful Russians. There may even be placatory Irishmen: I don’t know, I couldn’t say.)
The Chinese in this schema are characterized by love of money and addiction to gambling. Midler:
Whenever you read about a stampede in India, you can rest assured that it has taken place during a religious festival. In Europe, stampedes that result in death usually happen at sporting events. In China, the mad rush of a crowd almost always has something to do with economics. A sales promotion on cooking oil and rumors of a rice shortage have both sent Chinese into frenzied action.
What, then, is wrong with China? Paul Midler offers many suggestions.
He tells us for example that the Chinese, their colossal national self-regard notwithstanding, have no faith in the permanence of their political arrangements. All Chinese people, including the rulers, have internalized the dynastic cycle. Every Chinese person knows the opening words of a classic novel written seven hundred years ago:
What was long divided must unite,
What was long united must divide.
Much, says Midler, flows from this; the passion to get while the getting is good, the gambling instinct, the leaders’ determination to put off the inevitable day of dissolution as long as possible by fierce repression, and so on.
The Chinese also nurse ambivalence about their relation to the other peoples of the world. For long millennia the situation was clear to them: they were a civilized enclave surrounded by barbarians.
The nineteenth-century encounter with Europeans woke China from this particular opium dream, but they have not yet found an alternative equilibrium point on which to rest their identity.
Rodney Gilbert thought the Chinese of ninety years ago yearned to be isolated once again. If he was right, Mao Tse-tung fulfilled that yearning, isolating China for thirty years. The results were not altogether satisfactory, and now China poses as a nation among other nations.
The pronouncements of China’s leaders, though, suggest that their hearts aren’t really in it. Chinese nationalism is something other than Westphalian; Chinese globalism, as currently manifested in the Belt and Road initiative, has a clumsy, out-of-tune quality to it, so that it inspires not admiration and respect, only suspicion and fear.
China’s internal governance, too, is chronically unstable. Midler:
China is a vase teetering on its edge, and maintaining balance has been a goal throughout its history.
He goes on to give an account of post-1949 China’s lurching from centralization to decentralization and back.
None of this should be taken as a slander on the Chinese, although of course it will be so taken. They, like the rest of us, have emerged as they are, in all their distinctness, from the long slow churnings of history, geography, and population genetics.
And, as Paul Midler writes:
Much of what’s wrong with China is actually something wrong within us. We are too fond of this country. We are too forgiving. We willingly have amnesia on the basis that we care.
He is writing there about the remarkably un-advertised fact that the Chinese have conducted many massacres of foreigners.
Why are so many of us so forgivingly fond of this exasperating, paradoxical, unstable place? Paul Midler quotes from the answer given by Progressive sociologist Edward Alsworth Ross in 1911.
Chinese are extremely likable and those who have known them longest like them best. Almost invariably those who harshly disparage them are people who are coarse or narrow or bigoted. They are not a sour or sullen folk. Smile at them and back comes a look that puts you on a footing of mutual understanding. Their lively sense of humor is a bond that unites them to the foreigner.
Ross (1866-1951) is an odd person for Midler to quote in this context. He would himself be denounced as the worst kind of bigot today. He was a race realist, nativist, and eugenicist who strongly objected to race mixing—so strongly, he was fired from his professorship at Stanford in 1900 for his views.
Much as he liked the Chinese, Ross did not want them settling in the U.S.A. This is a perfectly tenable position, although intolerably shocking to present-day orthodoxies.
Ross got the likability right, though, and “those who have known them longest like them best.” (Rodney Gilbert may have been an exception.)
And to the further collective credit of the Chinese must be added this: Unlike the nations of the West today, they have no intention of opening up the borders of their nation to tens of millions of foreigners. Stupidity on that scale is peculiarly Western.
What’s wrong with us?
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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.
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For anyone interested, here’s a convenient copy of E.A. Ross’s 1911 book on the Chinese as mentioned above. Ross was one of America’s greatest early sociologists, and I’d recommend it very highly:
https://www.unz.com/book/e_a_ross__the-changing-chinese/
Ralph Townsend was an interesting character (like apparently everyone mentioned) who was heavily persecuted by the FDR admin for his views:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Townsend
No surprise that the white guy working in Japan likes him.
“What’s wrong with us”?
I have been asking myself that very question for a long time. Canada, Australia, New Zealand & the USA were all settled and developed by white peoples. Why they have permitted such massive demographic changes, which would have horrified previous generations, is something I simply cannot understand. We were told that Canada couldn’t “function” in the British commonwealth & the UN with a (more or less) white only immigration policy. Why Canada couldn’t have just left these pointless and moribund organiations I don’t understand. I personally suspect it had something to do with vote-hunting by the Liberal party (please substitute the party of the left in the other places).
“No one is sure when it began, but the phrase “I’m having a bad China day” has become synonymous with the expatriate experience …”
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Have a heart attack in China and people will just walk around you:
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Good to see a more or less proper academic investigation into this phenomena. I’ve only noticed it in the last year or 2, on most websites the Western doctrine of more or less adherence to truth and reason held comfortably firm with some NeoCon and nitwit exceptions, but then the Chinese doctrine of chaotic, illogical vitriol just flooded in. I was taken aback for awhile but now just respond in kind with some tax added on top.
Some say that the Cultural Revolution destroyed the roots of Chinese culture and “Add in the deprivation, the cannibalism, the starvation, and what was left of the Chinese people when Deng started his reforms were an amoral lot seeking wealth and fortune at any cost. Can’t really blame them.” But your article makes it clear that this Chinese mindset has always been there and so will never change, much like the Jewish view of their position on this planet and on the Goyim has always been there and will never change.
Good to see something different being written instead of the usual “West is Bad, China is good” nonsense which as been flooding the internet for some time now. There is good and bad in everything, in both the West and China.
“What’s wrong with us?”
No pride in self.
✓ Disgruntled expat masking hurt feelings with cultural criticism
✓ Information drawn from outdated 1920s missionary stereotypes
✓ Unironic reference to Ralph Townsend
✓ Taiwan as a stepping stone for hating the mainland
✓ Someone screwed me in business now I hate China
The only thing missing from Midler’s resume is “ESL teacher”
Listen, Chinese people are perfectly aware of Chinese society’s shortcomings. The “Ugly Chinaman” trope — deceit, corner-cutting, greed, face-saving, dog-eat-dog mentality that all stem from excessive materialism — has been described in some form by Chinese commentators since at least the 13th century.
Chinese people, including me, are often critical of these issues in private, but less so to foreigners. China has always been a harsh, densely populated rat race where being moral puts you at a disadvantage. I’m sorry a lot of foreigners didn’t know this going in, but people aren’t going to become nicer until there is a substantial period of wealth and higher living standards, like in Taiwan or Singapore. We don’t need any more assblasted expats feeling bitter about every single thing in China. People like Midler writing this in 2018 should realize that this is the era when China finally starts transitioning to a nicer place.
As for politics, I’m not convinced liberal democracy is a superior system, or even a lasting one. Even accounting for potential tyrants, the authoritarian state is still better equipped to rapidly and decisively deal with existential threats to the nation, especially internal ones. Equality other than basic legal protections is not desirable at all. Universal suffrage is the dumbest idea in the history of political thought. Freedom is hardly the most important thing in society, and even then most Chinese people do not feel unfree, because most people in any society don’t intend on being dissidents. The major gripe about freedoms in China is not about any particular political topic, but rather the internet blocking of foreign sites that hold entertainment value (Youtube, Instagram, etc).
I agree that Chinese nationalism can be arrogant and hypersensitive. Angry nationalists should tone it down and ask whether or not hating some other country/group actually benefits China. Most of the hate directed at our neighbors is pointless, counterproductive, just pride for the sake of pride. However, after living in the west, I firmly believe that nationalism is basically a positive thing for humanity, despite its excesses. Tribal feeling and the friendly competition that results is the greatest engine of true progress ever known. Given a choice between the west’s self-loathing “open society” and China’s current system, I’d pick the nationalist autocracy any day.
Surging Sinophobia in US shows lack of confidence: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088494.shtml
The “right” has also been a major contributor to demographic change, and has often been its main cheerleader. It wasn’t the left that imported slaves, insisted that we let millions of cheap workers flood the country and the 19th century, and once again opened the door to cheap labor in the 1960s. In both America and Europe, Capital has always used immigrants as a weapon to undermine trade unions and the power domestic laborers have. A rapidly growing economy will always be vulnerable to demographic change as the elite chases cheap labor, even Rome suffered from that.
Asia has avoided the problem thus far simply by having so many poor people willing to work at low wages. This is beginning to catch up with them. Japan has responded by investing heavily in robotics and consciously deciding to shrink its economy long term, we will see if Korea and China can do the same. My guess is that China, with its shortage of women, pressure for growth and less centralized control, is going to have a harder time keeping the gates closed.
I shouldn’t be surprised that Derbyshire would quote Midler considering his own paucity of knowledge that primarily stems from marrying a race traitor.
Midler is the Malcom Gladwell of China hands, writing pithy “just-so” anecdotes that sound plausible to the ignorant but collapse once his theories are subject to the rigorous scrutiny. His tea example being one of them, flat our wrong, but plausible sounding if you are relying on faulty heuristics.
The reason that China drives some white expats nutty as it were has a deeper psychological reason. The same type of oriental fatigue exists all throughout the far east but it primarily stems from resentment engendered by two factors. Reality not matching up with wishful expectations and the contempt engendered by unwarranted generosity. The Chinese are not isolationist enough and far too charitable with the Westerners among them, giving them too much for so little. Like the spoiling of a child, this creates a sense of entitlement among certain caliber of expats that manifests as seething resentment towards their benefactors. No doubt some whites will take umbrage at this observation but consider if you will the simmering hostility and contempt with which Muslim immigrants in Europe regard the natives, natives whose tax dollars pay for their welfare benefits. It’s a very human failing that stems from a character flaw.
Mr. Unz:
How can we unworthy guests to your website thank you enough?
I know Russians of all political persuasions. Yet, amazingly, not one of them feels persuaded morally that Chechnya or Crimea should not be part of their country(I’m sure some exist, just not in my circle). And yet you seem so surprised that Chinese of various political persuasions have equally little fervor in splitting up their country.
Whataboutism is boring, so I won’t go there. But it should be obvious that going around encouraging separatism in a country might find that idea rejected, especially separatism to create mutually hostile neighbors.
One might even suspect ulterior motives there.
Another book on the subject that I’d recommend is The Tyranny of History by W.J.F Jenner.
Jenner was an Australian diplomat who spent a considerable amount of time in China and came away with a pretty accurate view of things like why, for example, the common areas of Chinese apartment buildings are often so dumpy even if the building is inhabited by wealthy people.
I spent years living among Chinese people in both Taiwan and the mainland and came away with a generally positive impression of them. On the whole, they’re energetic, dynamic, friendly and hospitable people. The hyper sensitive nationalism of the mainlanders (As everyone knows, Taiwan is a part of the mainland!) for now, remains problematic however.
If they grow and mature and mellow out like the Taiwanese, they’ll be fine.
What’s wrong with us?
I think a confluence of factors. I can list if you like, but it has partly been extended by a lot of addictions of the modern world.
However, it seems to me that it can’t last. White people are prone to fashions, both of clothing and of thought. We tend to overdo things. Religion hasn’t been a constant. Piousness ebbs and flows. We have Extraordinary Delusions and Madness of Crowds. We go way too far the one way, then finally when we think that this is the way things will always be, it suddenly ends. Maybe it takes a little while like the hippie era, or maybe it ends abruptly like disco.
We have an equilibrium in terms of altruism vs ethnocentrism. We have had every force attempt to push us in the direction of pathological altruism, self-loathing, false virtue signalling and the like. It has taken systems of mass indoctrination to get us to this point. The movement back has already started. Generally the further things are pushed from equilibrium, the greater the momentum and energy they have when they rebound towards equilibrium, and yes, there is some overshoot.
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Not so comically. What’s wrong with us? What’s wrong with the low sea level?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dug6H00PwsU&t=0m54s
It sounds, from your writing, that you have been here in America for a long time, but apparently not long enough to know much of the history of this country. We are not supposed to be a liberal democracy – a Constitutional Republic was the government formed by our founders and it specifically specified a SMALL GOVERNMENT. The kind of nationally-suicidal stuff going on would not have been let to happen if Americans had some control of the Feral Government over the last 5 decades.
Equality as equal protection under the law IS the only equality specified in the Constitution. The American Constitutional Republic form of government was the best ever devised and beats all hell out of any authoritative regime, even under a Star-Trek-type “Good Chairman Mao”.
AGREED, and also not part of the founders plan for Federal government, BTW
Sure, the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. Maybe you’ve got cause and effect backwards, Jason. The Chinese don’t want to be dissidents, because authoritarian government will squash them (with a tank). So, the Chinese feel pretty free not to become dissidents, is that the logic?
On this part, I agree with you, Mr. Liu. Living in close quarters does not allow for as much freedom. I have stated in an post about picking blackberries (US vs. China), China is lots more crowded than people would think from just population and land area on the map.
America had only 200,000,000 in this great big land of ours 4 decades ago or so. As Peak Stupidity also stated:
An Amazon review for Poorly Made in China by Paul Midler:
Like he was with me on every buy
July 16, 2010
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I have done business in China since 1986. I know from experience how tricky and dangerous it is, especially for the newcomer. Curiously Mr. Midler refers to suppliers in Shantou (Canton Province) and I too have many suppliers there. Apparently this behavior amongst the Chinese is across the board no matter what product you work with. And they don’t care no matter what threats or promises you make. I actually had one supplier who told me he would no longer sell to me because “you complain too much”! No loss to me, easily replaced you can be sure. Communists or not, the almighty greenback is king in China but as Mr. Midler makes very clear, it is not going to get you what you think you contracted for. Something close, maybe, but not right on target.
The Chinese screwed up so many of my shipments that I got the distinct impression that the translaters were interpreting my directions, not translating them. So I spent years learning to speak Mandarin. I am totally fluent now, have often been mistaken for being Chinese on the telephone by those who had not yet met me. No matter, I told them straight out what I wanted in their own language and STILL they basically did it wrong to shave off a few bucks to their advantage. I could never understand that way of thinking, in America we keep the customers happy to perpetuate our business with them, we do not consistently antagonize them. This book will open your eyes if you want to do business in China and if you are already there you cannot help but agree with everything he says. Pay close attention, he knows what he is talking about.
They will go behind your back and try to deal directly with your customer, they will yes you to death and then do whatever they please without any regard for you or your customer. I can offer dozens of examples but the one that most illustrates this is the supplier who sent the advance samples for approval, they were perfect. He then went and made the million piece order to his own liking. It was a Halloween item to be made in Orange and Black, the 1000 piece advance samples were right on the money. When the order came in, it was made in Red and Blue. They told us the factory boss thought Orange and Black was a terrible color combination so he made what he thought was pretty. Hence we had a million red and blue product with ghosts and goblins and all printed on them, in red and blue and the words “Happy Halloween”. THAT is when we transferred half our entire production of all products to India. We still do some business in China but had I read this book twenty years ago I never would have gotten involved in China at all!
I highly recommend this book, it is all true and frightening so use it well and be aware. Be very aware.
I learned a lot from this column (sounds like a school book report, haha). I know about modern China, have read lots about the Mao era and some about the Japan/WWII/Civil War era too. However, the history reviewed here may have enlightened me on the Chinese mindset. I’d always though, and still question, whether the extreme discouragement of religion, or I should say, “other religions” by Communism DID still change the “psyche” somewhat.
The Chinese Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism were never, I guess, taken as seriously as Christianity in the West and Islam in the, umm, hellholes. However, it was a part of their culture. Right now, nothing of that is taken seriously, as even the money burned during the tomb-sweeping day is fake. I asked a Chinawoman, “if you believe burning that cash is gonna help your late Mom, why don’t you all burn the real stuff – I’d love to burn me some Chairman Mao.”
No, there is no belief left, in all of the people I’ve met. Don’t you think 30-odd years of hard-core Communism changed a bit of this, Mr. Derbyshire? I’m just asking – as you are the expert – not being snarky at all, if you can believe that(!)
But its hard to argue that they didn’t suspect it’ll get to this point. They even wrote it about themselves that any line for voting could be seen as arbitrary. I think it was Adams that wrote something like: “If it is limited to white men of great property, why not white men of small property? If limited to white men of property, why not all white men? Why not all men, instead of white men? And so on…”
The incentives in a democracy ultimately don’t line up not to move toward universal suffrage, because the opposition party always needs to bring in more voters to buttress their ranks. Of course, the founders were opposed to parties and cliques too, but the necessity of it was such that they were effectively creating their own even as they wrote against it.
Perhaps its different in an European multiparty democracy with no clear opposition, only coalitions. Nonetheless, universal suffrage seems to be the rule there too, so perhaps the only difference is that opposition party is replaced by opposition coalition.
Since China is the subject here, and because they are in the middle of the Chinese New Year over there and here, let’s not forget about the moon cakes*, please, people!
They’ve got 5,000 years of history, I! GET! THAT! [/Carlson], and our Southern American moon PIES have only been around for a century (congrats!). Still, the Chinese are not known to be be big-time bakers, and those things have a piece of egg inside. What the hell,
Chinaman? I, myself am partial to Chocolate moon pies, especially when accompanied by a Chocolate or Strawberry Yoohoo.Moon-Pies vs. Moon-Cakes
* They’re not just for
mooncake festivalbreakfast anymore.Agreed with everything you are saying, more or less, except for the political scenario. I’ve got a problem with some animals being more equal than others in the Animal Farm sense, too much of the Western equality before the law individualistic anti-authoritarian nature in me, so it has to be different strokes for different folks on the political issue.
But this business of Chinese “people aren’t going to become nicer until there is a substantial period of wealth and higher living standards”. Is there ever going to be a substantial period of wealth and higher living standards in China?
I think not. China’s current wealth and higher living standards are due to globalization. Globalization is disappearing because of the problems the global economies are going through, economic protectionism has already kicked in and its only going to get worse. Western countries are dependent on debt for their GDP, the people are maxed out on debt, no more economic growth possible via that route. So the substantial period part of the substantial period of wealth and higher living standards is not possible.
China’s people are going to remain the same as they are now and have always been.
I don’t even think that there is enough resources on this planet for a substantial period of wealth and higher living standards for the 1.4 billion people in China to become nice.
God I hope not. The Taiwanese are a bunch of boring deracinate cucks who are happy to follow the West into oblivion if it means some additional status points for themselves. The Mainlanders need double down on the nationalism. Not the shitty “big state” nationalism of the Communist Party though (analogous to Putin’s version of Russian Nationalism or even the dominant strain of American nationalism), rather the natural tribal racial nationalism of the Han people. Volkish race nationalism good; Imperialist boilerplate masquerading as nationalism, bad.
Belief doesn’t matter. Ritual is the foundation of behavior and social order. Confucius pointed this out nearly 3000 years ago. All the sacrifices are pointless and all the proper observances are irrelevant, but they still matter because in performing them you are conducting yourself properly and it impacts on behavior elsewhere. It’s how Judaism and Islam work, all the seemingly pointless rituals and taboos that set themselves apart from others are not useless, they are in fact precisely designed to enforce certain behaviors that lead to the propagation of mores Jews and Muslims.
Nice guys finish last. Chinese shouldn’t become “nicer”, they need to get meaner. Atavism is the word of the day and they need to embrace “meanness” to survive in an ever darker world. I’ve seen the behavior of the so-called “nice” Chinese; deracinated compradors with fertility rates below 1 whose primary desire is overpriced real estate and cargo culting the West and miscegenating themselves into oblivion. In other words, an evolutionary dead end. Ill take Henan peasant over Shanghai cosmopolitan any day of the week and twice on Sundays. One of the good things about the Communist Party is that they have universalized Chinese nationalism to no longer be the exclusive realm of educated elites. Next step is to foster a siege mentality of us against the world and project that “meanness” against outsiders. Race War Now.
Yes. The advancement of technology provides a lot of opportunities and help deal with scarcity – I think its easy to underestimate the sheer amount of waste that goes on normally. For example, roughly one third of the food produced in the world for human consumption every year — approximately 1.3 billion tonnes — gets lost or wasted. That’s just food, but its an essential measure of well-being.
There are two ways that can be increased: one is to increase the amount of food being generated and another is to improve the treatment of food so that its not actually wasted. China is deploying AI* to do both:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/16/17019446/farming-ai-pig-tracking-china-alibaba
What’s particularly impressive is that AI can ultimately be used to increase the effectiveness of services that would previously have been seen to be only human-capable, such as doctors. They can’t replace doctors yet, but one of the major strengths of machine learning systems is that they can notice anomalies, far faster and far more accurately than humans can. Rather than spend twenty minutes looking over an x-ray and worrying if he may have missed something, an AI can rapidly converge on anything that looks unusual and mark it off to the doctor in a minute’s time:
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/11/chinese-baidu-unveils-ai-health-chatbot-for-patients-and-doctors.html
Even globalization itself is the result of technology: from more efficient logistics overall permitting foreign shipments to be affordable. And the cost of software is effectively zilch once created – just the price of electricity, and some human upkeep thanks to the API ecosystem/improvement. Replication is practically free, unlike other resources in the world. The question, really, is if energy is going to be limited.
And that’s dubious, in my opinion. Peak oil has been suggested for decades but we’re not seeing it. And even if peak oil ever becomes a thing, China leads in renewables(and that’s not even considering nuclear investment).
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/18/china-now-leads-in-renewables/
* I tend to dislike the word AI a lot. Its subject to a lot of hype and in my opinion, machine learning systems that provide improved decision-making feedback are not truly artificial intelligence. But it seems to be the best word for it now.
You know you have problems, right?
I was screwed professionally by a Chinese guy. Yet, I have worked with other Chinese who are perfectly admirable. I am rational enough not to hate the whole society over the actions of one corrupt POS individual. Having said that, I will say that the biggest problem the Chinese face as a whole is their culture of corruption. Corruption is seriously their number one problem. All of their other problems are insignificant in comparison and would be easily overcome absent corruption.
Duke ofQin: Good luck with that.
I know how America was founded, but fact is today it practices and preaches liberal democracy with universal suffrage, and its egalitarian culture goes far beyond what’s stated in the constitution. It also seems to expect that every other country on Earth should do the same, or be labelled evil.
Government tends to grow over time until everything burns down in a revolution or something similar. I don’t foresee a return to small government republicanism anytime soon.
C’mon man, that’s cartoonish. We don’t live in the Warring States era.
Better to slowly shift the global culture away from western liberal norms into something more suited to nationalism, which would better safeguard Chinese (and other) identities over the long run.
Peter Akuleyev says:
February 19, 2018 at 11:00 am GMT • 200 Words
My guess is that China, with its shortage of women, pressure for growth and less centralized control, is going to have a harder time keeping the gates closed.
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Of the 3 nations you mentioned (China, Korea, Japan), China is actually by far the most ruthless in enforcing central control. I honestly would not at all be surprised if they deploy the army to remove even defiant provincial governors, if it came to that.
For example, the utter and complete INSANITY occurring now in America, the self-proclaimed Sanctuary Cities for illegals, simply would not be conceivable in China.
Sanctuary cities are cities essentially proclaiming themselves exempt and above federal law. Turn it around, and the Mainstream Media wouldn’t like it. What if some cities made chattel slavery LEGAL in their jurisdiction? The media would go nuts. But since the defiant cities favor illegals, it’s all good, huh?
A question for John Derbyshire, or anyone who would know:
The U.S. apologized for slavery. Britain apologized to Kenya, Belgium apologized to the Congo. Germany took responsibility for the Holocaust, Japan apologized for Nanking.
Has China ever done anything warranting an apology? And if so, did one come forth?
If not, is the world ready for a superpower with no sense of responsibility?
The warring states period was by comparison quite pacific and orderly. All of the states were the ducal heirs of the kingdom of Zhou and shared an overarching monoculture. Like the city states of ancient Greece or the German principalities of medieval Europe, they were politically fragmented but shared the same values and customs.
The modern world is on the other hand a wild dangerous place, filled with wildly different peoples and sundry barbarians with grossly different values. I would be more positive if I thought the Chinese race were stronger, but we aren’t. Unlike the undomesticated negro with his raw strength who overawes all peoples with his presence, the cunning Jew who is able to subvert others to his cause, the wild eyed Mohammedan with his unrelenting faith, or the Hindu who is a combination of the (worst) traits of Jew and Mussalman, or even the nihilistic hypocritical European driven by the desire to see his own race destroyed and everyone else along with it, the Chinese are socially a weak people. We are meek, passive, lacking in assabiyah, and just all around too domesticated to survive in a war of all against all that modern “liberal” societies seek to create. Compared to the warring states of old where defeat meant you paid your taxes to one Duke as opposed to another, defeat now means your racial annihilation and debasement. Our one redeeming feature is our state, a government ruled at the top by flinty eyed bastards thoroughly opposed to a liberal world order. That they can and do use the state to crushing effect to protect our race against the outside is a “feature” not bug that Western liberals seek to undermine at every opportunity.
This is where I heartily disagree, the best way to safeguard the Chinese now, as then, is heavily armed isolationism. Triple the defense budget, more nukes, ships, more jets and zero emigration or immigration. Basically buy our shit, stay out, and leave us the hell alone, a historically relevant policy worth emulating.
Maybe we shouldn’t be all too quick to say that the Chinese have no beliefs. Say instead that they are searching for their footing in the world, having closed themselves off for centuries. So, indeed, if you are looking for set doctrines and ideas, well, it’s way too early for that.
They opened up in, at the earliest, 1978. In fact, the Reform and Opening did not become national policy until 1982.
But back to the “no beliefs”. During the early days of the Islamic expansion, in the 7th Century AD, Arab traders who had traversed the Silk Road, that there were these teeming masses in the East with no conception of God, and no faith to oppose to the Light and Truth of Islam. Surely, here was a massive opportunity for conversion. When Islam reaches that land, the inhabitants would be theologically and philosophically defenseless – or so thought the Imams of that age.
In the 1800s, it was Christianity’s turn to try their hand at the easy pickings that would be the Chinese. Where others failed, the Truth of Christianity would have universal appeal. Or so thought the missionaries of that later age.
What they forgot was that the Chinese identity predated both their religions, by thousands of years.
Communism did not affect the essential Russian character, nor that of the Chinese – it simply wasn’t around long enough.
I don’t know if it was that bad – which isn’t to defend it – Derbyshire in the post himself takes steps to qualify its shortcomings at the outset.
Here’s how I read it: China isn’t perfect – indeed, China has real problems and maybe more salient – real shortcomings that will be difficult to overcome and of which we should practice some skepticism that they even will be overcome.
That’s purely my POV, I could have been reading too much into it, however, the POV comes from here: I do in fact have a sense of China as a real place, and Chinese as real people, and like all real places and real people there are certain intractable problems in China that are profoundly self-limiting to Chinese collective advancement.
Before getting to why that’s important bear this in mind: the exact same thing can be said of the US. On another thread nearby a commenter notes the contrast between Mormon culture and southern culture – these reflect self-limiting features in American culture and politics that seem intractable and resistant to efforts to overcome. Add to that: our identity politics, short-term symbolism over long-term substance. America: she got problems.
But so often we get the “rising China” scare article and all manner of mischief is promoted on the basis that we are supposed to fear an inexorably rising China. Articles like this can be a welcome antidote to that. Americans commit all manner of ideological, political, cultural and geo-political mistakes with their superhumanizing of Chinese (i.e.: Kissinger, “the Chinese are smarter than us” … cue a Unz Review Peanut Gallery HBD fan to sneer with some laconic wit via some IQ remark (ehem, cough, cough – PISA in China is only in Shanghai, think … think about that, study up on the background, then think ) )
Everyone does China better to neither denigrate Chinese, nor superhumanize them.
Post, residual, Christian folk write about why China does not put forth good Christian values.
Well, where do we start?
Paganism isn’t that fun when you wake up in the morning.
In these parts (Alabama) the proper accompaniment for a Moon Pie was an RC Cola in the old days (’50s and ’60s).
With Mardi Gras just over most of us have had our needs for Moon Pies filled for a year.
No doubt, Jason. I replied because I read lots of people who make comparisons to present day America without ever mentioning, or maybe knowing, what a good country is like. Some of us know the right way. I sure as hell don’t care to read or hear any Chinese people comparing their country to modern-day America when they know zero history (usually not much of China’s either).
That’s not at all directed at you, Jason, just sayin’…
I’ve heard that necessity is the mother of every invention but there is no way I can be that optimistic about technology. Its going to have to be different strokes for different folks on this matter also 🙂
How can you have isolationism and have other people buy your ‘stuff’? That is not isolationism, that is still globalization.
You have some of the best comments and perspectives on China I’ve ever seen. Please consider having a blog.
Reading John Derbyshire’s past articles against Chinese nationalism, I can only conclude that he wants the Chinese to be cucked. He doesn’t say it out loud but it is quite implicit in his writings. He wants to preserve the white race (understandable) but is indignant that China wants to remain Chinese. Nationalism for me but not for you!
No more wince-inducing than Derb’s defense of the awful neonym Czechia.
“Peking” fits our tongue much better than “Beijing”, two of which consonants we can’t pronounce, so Derb is right to use it. So what’s the deal with “Czechia”, which doesn’t fit, and the Czechs won’t even use themselves?
Good. I think you have the right attitude and I wish you and your nation much success.
A couple pieces of advice from the decaying West;
If China does decide to take up democracy (and really you shouldn’t, a benign nationalist dictatorship is best) for the love of God, don’t let women vote. And DO NOT let Jews in. A couple of diplomats from Israel and nothing more.
The war to end all war will come but we need to bid our time. There is a need to unite all East Asians ( Koreans, jap and Chinese diaspora ) and bring them into China’s orbit as was the case during the Tang and Song Dynasty, this can only be achieved through economic, technological or cultural superiority and integration where these countries will submit to China and have no objections to been vassal states. South east Asia needs to be taken for their resources ( as jap were doing WWII> and the low IQ breeds subjugated. This process might take another 50-100 years but it needs to happen before the Asia is ready to take on the West for the final showdown. It will begin in Australia where we will clean up all the white trash there. But I think the west would have imploded by then and they will all be speaking Chinese anyway…
It could tell of a soulless, small-hearted people only focused on the material world, too.
It seems rather tame for the time period, though.
Quite a few of the old travelogues detailing foreign cultures came from botanists.
And because of that, Singaporeans are usually derided by other chinese for being too naive – we do aim for long term advantages and customer relationships as inculcated by our western upbringing, although we also lapse all too frequently into our genetic heritage.
As the common saying goes, “台湾人无耻，香港人无情，大陆人无耻又无情，新加坡人无知.”
Translated – Taiwanese are shameless, Hong Kongers are merciless, Mainlanders are shameless and merciless, and Singaporeans are ignorant/naive/stupid.
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Been dying to tell CCP,
Bitching wins no wars.
Dont get hurt, get even !
Two can play at this game.
High time China joins the ‘civilised ‘ world and take up this ‘human rights’ mantra, its a growth industry , dont let the whiteys have the field all to themselves.
The whiteys had a head start on the market but for reasons best known to themselves, their pet indulgence is exclusively on the cuddly Tibetans head bashers, Uighurs cut throats, NED Chinese poster boys.
There’R stuffs that they wont touch with a ten feet pole….ever seen the Chagosians, Okinawans, Jeju islanders, Iraq DU victims, Apak drone survivers, Kashmiris, Nagas, Manipuris, Dalits, West Papuans, Achenese ….invited to a sumtuous lunch in the WH /Downing Street ?
There’s a vast untapped niche market out there waiting to be exploited.
Chagosians, Nagas…. are the untouchable who have no voice, China should give them their voice., let them tell their stories to the world, with half the world’s journos in attendance, live broadcast to the world, CCP can afford it 😉
Havent the whiteys been telling China to be a responsible member of the international community and do something for human rights, what is CCP waiting for ?
hehehhehe
Oh and that worked out SO well last time.
If we cannot survive in competition, then we do not deserve to survive.
Why bother? I don’t particularly care what the Koreans and Japanese do. As long as they aren’t actively hostile and part of some subversive liberal coalition then they might as well be on Mars for all I care. Also subjugating others, especially stupid others, is a really bad idea. It is inevitably going to result in foreigners entering China in unprecedented numbers. This has happened before in China’s past as it is happening to the West today. My Prime Directive is the survival of the Chinese race first and foremost. Beating up SE Asian Muslim isn’t related to this goal, leave the quixotic crusading to the Americans.
As for the final racial reckoning I honestly don’t see it happening. The West isn’t going to go down with a bang, rather it will die with a whimper. If they do summon the will to survive, then they won’t be actually be a subversive threat. Just look at Poland, Hungary, Austria, and the Czech Republic. Really nothing good has ever happened with China’s interactions with outsiders. Isolationism is really the best policy.
” we do aim for long term advantages and customer relationships as inculcated by our western upbringing, although we also lapse all too frequently into our genetic heritage.”
Yes, we know. You have 300 year of glory of enslaving, pillaging, and mass murdering. Your time is up. Your advantage is gone, and you are trying to hold others at your gun (canon)point with borrowed money. It is part of your barbaric western heritage, and your genetic heritage only shows others how clueless you are.
Its a sign of intelligence that the CCP does not engage in that stupidity because it doesn’t end well. There are a million better ways to waste blood and treasure that don’t involve posturing as a saint to further separatism and internal disputes.
There’s a relevant saying for this:
Play stupid games, earn stupid prizes.
The US obsesses over slavery as a political tool against white Americans. If you notice, the US imports many immigrants and guest workers. We’ve embraced a strategy of “invade-the-world; invite-the-world”, which results in the importation of angry refugees. We export our investment capital, expand our debt, etc. The US doesn’t serve the interests of US citizens.
A better example might be how the US bends over backwards to help blacks, then blames whites when blacks fail to excel. Meanwhile, Asians outperform most everyone… Asian supremacist conspiracy perhaps? (That’s a joke.) By blaming whites, blacks are encouraged to be angry at whites, which divides society, creates disharmony.
Some argue this is a “divide and conquer” strategy by America’s elite.
Similarly, low IQ whites defend the exceedingly wealthy, thinking they’re mutually at risk from the angry blacks (among others on the “Left”). In truth, workers in general share many common political interests. So, the “divide-and-conquer” strategy appears to work very well on the population in general, or has in the past anyway.
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In short, a superpower that “apologises” is not necessarily a good thing. It could be good. Every society sins of course.
I certainly acknowledge slavery was wrong, but specific sins are focused upon and emphasised for political reasons. Man is fallen. Societies don’t usually act on morality but on power. There are some mostly good people, but most things occur because of power, greed, etc. And it’s much easier for one to play at being “good” when weak (and lacking temptation). Also, it’s often the ambitious who advance, not the good. I’m not suggesting a person should then become “evil”; I’m just highlighting how man is fallen.
China has many sins. Tibet is a great example. China conquered Tibet, largely destroyed or reduced most of an ethnicity. I don’t wish it to “apologise”, but it should strive to protect Tibetan heritage, which it might well be doing. And of course, I’m no expert on the matter; so who am I to judge China?
Hi, I wanted to post this quote by Machiavelli:
“Either we have to deal with a
republic eager like Rome to extend its power, or with one content merely to maintain
itself; in the former case it
is necessary to do in all things as Rome did; in the latter,
for the reasons and in the manner to be shown in the following Chapter, we may
imitate Venice and Sparta.”
However, in the next chapter he write: “But returning to the point first raised, I believe it
necessary for us to follow the
method of the Romans and not that of the other republics, for I know of no middle
way. ”
Citation: Chapters 5 & 6 from Discourses.
I generally think as you do, that preserving one’s people is best. But mere preservation can lead to decay.
Also, the book “Antifragility” caught my eye recently, basically arguing that a system should be designed so as to benefit from some difficulty, rather than to be weakened by it – similar to how muscles grow stronger from use.
I’m not arguing against you, rather I’m just posting some comments you’ll find interesting. A nation-state built to endure, especially one that won’t commit suicide, is my dream.
I imagine “isolation” could of course be taken overfar. Nothing in excess. But more-isolation certainly seems better to me. So much of American globalism is wasteful, and interaction with foreigners tends to bring unrealised costs.
GK Chesterton recommended travel among polities to encourage fellowship and understanding. He also wished to preserve. His “Patriotic Idea” is focused on preserving Europe, especially the British Isles, but applies generally as a sort of ideology of piety and preservation. He favoured “Little England”.
I concur completely. I think that the Communist party is aware of this as well. Corruption is an existential issue, one that ultimately far surpasses all the many other issues that the country has to deal with.
As a Chinese, I do not think there is a need to try to correct other people’s view of China. No matter how many years others study China, or live in China, they will not stop seeing China in their own culture perceptive, especially if the culture is white, western, or self-pronounced exceptionalists.
As a Chinese, I use 1000s year old expressions to describe a situation, or understand a behavior, or explain a action in my everyday life.
As a Chinese, I know my country’s history regardless what any outsider trying to say about us. There are enough history books and virtues pass down to us, and we know who we are, good and bad.
It is normal to catch negative attention when you break to front of pack. It makes all the victories much more precious.
Lol, this reply didn’t even make sense. Most Singaporean chinese were descended from South China provincials seeking a way out from the chaos that was endemic throughout the 19th and 20th century. Don’t really get where the 300 years of enslaving, killing blah blah blah came from.
Unless it’s referring to the Taiping Rebellion, where we chinese killed far more of ourselves. In fact, looking at Chinese history, the most frequent killers of chinese were other chinese.
Don’t really get the borrowed money part either. On the whole, Sg is a creditor nation.
That is not true, the West died in the battles of Stalingrad and Berlin, so hardly a whimper. What exists now is not Western, call it what you want, but it has nothing to do with the past Western civilization.
By your logic, China could arguably be “not-Chinese” today. Instead it’s “Marxist” or was Marxist. I suppose the elite in China are still Chinese though, but Jewish rule doesn’t entirely explain the decline of the West.
The West has been greatly harmed by one-way mass media and by our centralisation and transience. A tiny elite was empowered to remake society, and it did. Individuals were at the mercy of elites, even as those same individuals proclaimed how free and independent they were.
Asia is just rising at a different time and environment. WWII did not necessarily change the trajectory. We could have still committed suicide.
It’s clear today that modernism and technology can be harmful. Too many Europeans came to worship the impious and individualist “Faustian spirit”. As such, they gladly abandoned the past to commit societal suicide, all in the name of “progress” and moving “forward” towards madness. Progress though falls to relativity outside some religion or tradition to define it.
Corruption is going to keep happening, Mr. Chieh, so long as the people have no morals. It’s quite delusional thinking Communism is going to help. Communism for 30 hard-core years and now total 60 years running is what beat to hell whatever morals were existing in the Chinese people in the first place.
Good luck with that corruption thing. See it in America too, do you? That’s because we have imported a new people.
BTW, I mean corruption at every level of society – at the top end, the corruption you will always have with you.
Europe has 1000s year old expressions as well. For example, “Nothing in excess!”
We just came to worship the Industrial Revolution, Enlightenment, simplistic ideologies, and “progress” rather than our own heritage.
And like the Chinese, we’ve destroyed much of our history and heritage. Christianity and the change of language both reduced our historical memory. But we still have the Greeks and Romans.
Confucius is wrong to entirely discourage foreign ideas. One can still learn from outsiders. It’s just a disgrace that the Chinese currently place Marx, who was the lowest of the impious progress worshippers, before their own heritage. The Chinese still identify as “Communist”; as such, they dishonour their ancestors.
1,000 year-old expressions can be just as wrong as something
an unz commenterTiny Duck wrote this morning. There’s a matter of right and wrong, and that’s the problem with Confucianism – it’s all about getting along, knowing your place in life, etc. The Western way is, or was, when you are right, you’re right – speak up, no matter if not 1 in 100 people agree with you.You might, J.L., but I have met so many Chinese people that know nothing of their own history. Chairman Mao was responsible for a lot of that.
(Sorry for all the very late replies, Daniel and Jason – I ran out of time yesterday.)
The American founders in NO WAY figured that women were ever going to be voting in elections. This nefarious idea came in to being a century ago. I have not read very much about it, because it digusts me, but I am starting to wonder who was behind this “suffrage” crap.
You keep mentioning “democracy”, Daniel, but that was not the type of government this country was founded as.
How ’bout a Cheer Wine instead, Fred?
No, I can’t wait for next Mardi Gras myself – Circle K is beckoning.
People can run through all the rituals they want, but that doesn’t make them better people. Go to a strip club with a Moslem guy and see how well those rituals work, Duke.
The lack of morals in the current Chinese culture (in general, that is) is not going to change due to following of the proper Tomb-sweeping rituals, the eating of Moon
PiesCakes, and riding on Dragon Boats. My example of burning the fake money is appropriate here. They can go through the rituals, but nobody has any belief that it means anything.If anything, I think the rituals in China will just get more commericalized, as Christmas is. The really ironic thing is this: After the dark years of Communism abating in China, while the insidious version of Communism is increasing in America, you will very well may see more of Santa Clause and Christmas trees on the streets in Shanghai than in freakin New York City. Yet, they don’t really believe a word of it in Shanghai – maybe same in New York City(?)
No. We lost our piety, traditions, and the wisdom of our ancestors. We lost pride in our history and culture.
We instead just assumed we could “progress” forward with magical science and individualism, that our natural genetic superiority would inexplicably propel us without the need of additional aids.
There’s no group of people on Earth more easily manipulated than an uprooted English nuclear-family individualist who knows no history and has no traditional safeguards and community ties. And our extreme “capitalism” seems to naturally lead a society to socialism, though we pretend it’s the great alternative.
While technology is important, we still see “right wing” Europeans praising our “Faustian spirit”; they seem to worship “progress” as a sort of religion and whites as that agent of “progress”. They’ve embraced madness.
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We also grew soft from success and other reasons. Perhaps it’s true that were Jews not so powerful, European Christians would have righted things eventually. But our open, individualistic system enabled their great power.
The US seems to have been behind much of the leftward shift among Europeans, post-WWII. Looking at the “conservative movement” in the US:
The Greeks knew a large middle class to be beneficial, but “conservatives” viewed such as “socialist”.
The Greeks knew the importance of culture, wouldn’t have allowed Hollywood to destroy society. But “conservatives” valued the free market. The Greeks wouldn’t have allowed Marxists to take over the universities either.
And the Greeks knew overly large societies could be dangerous. And we have other legitimate conservative voices warning us of the unstable changes society had made.
It’s the Godforesaken “conservative movement” (not to be confused with actual conservatives) that deserves some of the blame. It wasn’t only FOX and Conservative Inc but also the worship of ideology among many independent conservative Americans who should have known better. Just a brief reading of Aristotle and Belloc or even Machiavelli and Livy would have snapped them out of some of their foolishness.
If we had pushed for a larger middle class back in the 60s (and continued to focus on preserving the middle class), maybe the 1965 immigration act and other policies wouldn’t have passed. Then other improvements could have been made to the system. But it was seen as essentially “socialist” to resist socialism.
Thanks for the cogent reply, “yourself”. Your point seems to be that the Chinese character of “no beliefs” was resistant to Islamic attempts at conversion and later Christian ones. I think athism can be pretty resistant to any attempts at conversion, especially if, like the Chinese, the society is, or fancies itself, a better, more proseperous one than the one sending the evangelicals.
Plenty of other countries have been converted forcibly (Islam is big on that, as we all know). That requires just more firepower, and can work in the long run, as once 2 or 3 generations have grown up in it, they know nothing else. Is there some essential character that will shine through even after one grows up in a Moslem world? I don’t know.
I wrote this about Russia and this about China on the long-term effects of Communism, but it’s just pure speculation, rather than the erudite view of historical readings of Mr. Derbyshire.
Its not Communism that’s solving the problem. Its the panopticon. And its working.
As for morals, as someone else has mentioned, it has a lot to do with prosperity.
But in and of itself:
Corruption is just a cost to the system, with varying impact on the lives of people. Lobbying in the US, for example, is legal but could be seen as corruption in much of the world(pay a congressman’s friend to convince him of the merits of the corn industry…its hard to see how in many ways, it isn’t a bribe). High level corruption, even when it exists, is felt less and causes less discord than low-level corruption: GE, for example, actually once legally legislated a tax-free year for themselves which was sent through as a rider to a bill. This is far more money than, for example, a policeman asking a citizen for a bribe but the latter is felt more acutely and causes more dissatisfaction.
The US was not “free for corruption” before the new people either. Much of what has changed is perception of what is corruption; President Lincoln, for example, wrote a number of recommendation letters for job candidates where he basically asked for jobs for his candidates based on what we will see as nepotism(“Mr. So & So’s father is a distinguished and excellent friend of mine, could you please find it possible to hire his son?”) Of course, President Grant’s “drinking companions” brought about a level of corruption that was seen as ridiculous even by the era. So nepotism was seen as acceptable corruption; intemperate friends not so much.
My point isn’t to bash Americans or defend the Chinese; I try to be objective while realizing the limitations of perspective. What I try to do is to find what’s reality and call to note that past, present and future are often shifting media in both what was possible, the moral environment of the time, and yes, the type of people involved. Consider this – in a future world, it is possible that in a theoretical open-borders country, preferentially hiring countrymen instead of foreigners would be seen as corruption(as a form of extended nepotism). Would this “corruption” be wrong? Is “nepotism” wrong if Lincoln tried to privilege children of killed Union officers? A lot of it is very much definition and era.
It explains the parts that matter the most. WW2 was a battle between who should rule, which sadly the jews won. The rest that came after was simply the jews imposing their will on anything that still dares challenge their authority.
Another excellent example of this is Senator Richard Shelby working tirelessly to protect Alabama’s role in NASA operations in supporting the ULA company. In this, one could argue that he is honorably protecting the jobs of his voters even if he had to import Russian engines to do so. In doing so, he might be harming Telsa’s ability to build a working competing model that completely uses American labor and parts. Whether his actions are a form of corruption to protect local jobs at the expense of national performance or not heavily depends on one’s perspective and terminal values.
I predict that China will follow the Japanese model, they will only grow as long as they can steal Western technology
The central point of Confucianism isn’t that. Its “societal grammar” through which harmony could emerge. In and of itself, it is eminently sensible: language is much reduced if grammar cannot be used and the same applies to people. If we did not speak the same language, for example, we couldn’t communicate. If we did not use grammar, our communication would be impeded.
Confucianism merely takes that and applies to expectations on individuals as well – note that the West itself was not free of this historically; thus expectations that women would eventually be married, and that spinsters were somewhat odd. Men were often expected to take on their father’s professions, and a variety of other mores which were based in a society where capital was mostly based out of land, limited centralization and a generally sedentary existence. Insofar as Confucianism’s greatest weakness is that it also is not highly tailored for the migratory lives of moderns.
It should not, then, be considered as a great surprise that atomization and individuality vastly accelerated in urbanized environments which removed the individual from his family and mores; it is not coincidental that the libertine and individualized 60s developed from the generation immediately after the great urbanization of the 40s. This evolved to what it is now where self-identity has actualized such that one can define himself as being of any gender or even species. As capital is no longer really provided by possession of land, values such as courage or territoriality are deemphasized for social “feminine” skills because objectively, the former are actually not longer as useful or profitable. You don’t have to defend your cattle from rustlers anymore; you get rich by hobbling as many talented people and getting them to work together.
The current state of anomie is tragic, but inevitable given the vast changes in society. Insofar as seemingly meaningless rituals go, they nonetheless have value in that their practice affirms a certain identity and sometimes are particularly valuable in that they are irrational. Catholicism, for example, insists that the spiritual quality of bread and wine turn into spiritual flesh and blood of the Savior, despite visual evidence otherwise. Nonetheless, through common agreement of this belief, it creates a certain bond and is useful social technology.
These anglos are so cute,
China today compared to Qing is like heaven and hell, never mind Qin Xi Huang era,
600 years of uninterrupted wars.
http://i1.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/US-war-graph.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=426%2C386
Once a war pig, always a war pig,
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China’s Tibet
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India’s Tibet
https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/06/legalized-tyranny-indias-armed-forces-special-powers-act/
Who do you think should apologise. ?
My reply appears to be lost, so retyping in fewer words. In summary, I’m not sure if the “intent” matters that much; both St. Augustine’s City of God and Marx’s communism can be ideal forms of government, as could the notion of a republic, but in practice it could not avoid ceasing to be the ideal form even during the lives of the founders due to the foibles of human nature. E.g. Jacksonian democracy was specifically what some of the founders were opposed to, but they couldn’t do anything to stop it from happening.
You may have missed my last sentence, Daniel (“BTW, ….” ) at the bottom. I agree that there has been corruption at the top level in probably every government, with the US as no exception. I would point back to the railroad construction era for that. One thing to remember is that the bigger the government is, the more area of life and industry it’s involved in, the more flavors of corruption you can have. Going back just a half-century or so, the biggest thing was probably the long-term Senators (esp. in the South) making sure the big military bases got placedthere, or never shut down when they should have been. It took lots of effort, you may recall from 20-30 years ago, to make impartial (ha! maybe?) base-closure committees to get rid of redundancies.
This is what people never seem to get about Libertarianism. Smaller government doesn’t allow as many areas of corruption, hence fewer opportunities for big money to influence the whole show. The problem with the big banks/banksters is the ultimate example of how, hand-in-hand, corrupt big money men and big gov can destroy a country completely – it’s just not finished yet.
Yes, I agree, and that was my point. The low-level everyday stuff is means a lack of any trust in society besides within the family. That’s how it is in China. That’s NOT how it was everywhere, and still is in some places, in America. I don’t think it’s really a good idea to import lots of people from place where there is no societal trust, do you?
(I don’t mean a few people here and there, as assimlation does work for numbers like, say, 100,000 newcomers a year that don’t all go to Dearbornistan or Chinatown or Los Angeles.)
I agree, but it boils down to lost of pride in self.
I don’t agree here. Agrarian America and the wide-open West of 250 – 100 years back were populated with some of the freest and most individualistic people, or families, that ever got to live in this world.
It really helps having lots of space. Maybe Confucianism WAS best for China, since it has been a pretty crowded place for, like, forever. People don’t realize from a map or globe how little good usuable space there is. There are steep mountains all over the damn place.
People take Communion all over Latin America – it’s a ritual that makes life seem more stable, and the probably enjoy that. It doesn’t make them any better people though. That’s got to come from within.
I don’t agree. There are a number of outsiders who have provided cogent awareness of China, for example, Richard McGregor. I think a lot of it comes down to attitude and a certain kind of personality; its tragic, perhaps, but it does seem that individuals who come in already with a basically “atheistic” personality will fit in and understand the most. I think he also grew up in various Asian countries for his entire life, so for him, the familiarity is almost innate.
They do not know your western version of Chinese history….
Low level corruption is mostly gone these days by the time I last visited since 2015. A lot harder to give bribes when every most transactions are automatically monitored and the consequences of it is death, usually by “honor suicide.” The low levels of trust still exist but as it becomes unprofitable to be a pianzi, it’ll go away in a generation or so.
To be honest, I’m a little bit saddened by some of it. The reason why I bring up mores is because I actually don’t believe that hongbao giving, which can be seen as corruption, or the system of mutual indebtedness was actually such a terrible thing in a world where people had to stay set. It very much created a sense of family and relates into guanxi. But as with many things, what works in the past may not work now.
That calls for prohibition of Tolstoy’s War and Peace, since he sure as hell did just that:
“Pfuel was one of those hopelessly and immutably self-confident men, self-confident to the point of martyrdom as only Germans are, because only Germans are self-confident on the basis of an abstract notion- science, that is, the supposed knowledge of absolute truth. A Frenchman is self-assured because he regards himself personally, both in mind and body, as irresistibly attractive to men and women. An Englishman is self-assured, as being a citizen of the best-organized state in the world, and therefore as an Englishman always knows what he should do and knows that all he does as an Englishman is undoubtedly correct. An Italian is self-assured because he is excitable and easily forgets himself and other people. A Russian is self-assured just because he knows nothing does not want to know anything, since he does not believe that anything can be known. The German’s self-assurance is worst of all, stronger and more repulsive than any other, because he imagines that he knows the truth- science- which he himself has invented but which is for him the absolute truth.”(c)
Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace, Book 3, Chapter X.
I think this was a kind of belief more than a reality; Jefferson was an excellent example of deeply wishing to maintain the rural nature of the country. But realistically, almost all major achievements came from the urban hubs in despite of the indelible cultural nature that the frontier provided. Industrialization is really an unstoppable force; the Civil War was a pretty solid exemplification of Northern industry.
I don’t disagree with the freedom in terms of either land or decentralization(I disagree that the individual was as free of his family* ), but I think its immaterial to today’s world . Adam Smith believed that taxation beyond fifteen percent or so was impossible, for example, because taxation was in-kind at the time; centralization was just very hard to implement over any reasonable stretch. This is no longer the case. Space and distance have been abolished; capital is no longer generated by land in any significance and has not since the 30s.
* Consider the highly collective nature of the Amish farmers, for example, who maintain many rituals from the past. One could even argue that modern individuality combined with high mobility is necessarily toxic to traditional living.
Nah, having been to China and knowing some China-people pretty well, I beg to differ. One friend of a friend of mine makes his living just through one corrupt deal after the next. It’s not big-time, but it’s a living. The guy from the county gov. who is involved got sent away for 15 years. Because he still had lots of the money, that turned into a lot less.
The entire “guanxi” concept is just corruption too, whether any government is involved or not. “I’ll donate these ducks to your cause, so I may expect your wife to make sure my kid gets admitted to that school”. There are whole webs of this stuff, and it’s not going away. That’s who they are.
What makes guanxi corruption even though it is a long-established custom and is part of “the community” can be understood as seen in comparison to now-ancient America (albeit with faults): “Thanks for the chickens, but standards are standards, and your kid wasn’t accepted.” It’s called integrity. Whatever you, or some nuts on unz, have bad to say against the British, the precursers to the first Americans, their respect for rule-of-law, honor, and integrity was a cut above the rest of the world.
It’s only a movie, Daniel, but check out <a title=”"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050212/"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050212/"Bridge on the River Kwai sometimes. First of all, it’s a great movie, but the beginning scene where the British Colonel, played by Alec Guiness, refuses to do work at the Jap prison camp with the enlisted men. It’s not that he doesn’t want to work; it’s that it goes against the British protocol and “rules are rules, chaps”. His insistence on this way, even though being locked up in the hot sun and beaten, showed his men that they were still British soldiers.
(The American co-star, William Holden, was not a model of integrity, btw, but …. OK, no spoilers – go get it from the library for free!)
It’s not just that they don’t know the truth, they don’t know ANY version of it. That’s what I just got done writing. No names, no dates or even decades, nothing. You people seem smart but are not often very wise. There is no point in talking to an older Chinese lady for advice anymore, like there was in the past. Just pure materialistic dingbattery is all you’re gonna get.
If you’re gonna try, make sure she is really Chinese, while you’re at it:
Video Link
oops, that link got munged up somehow. It looked good in PREVIEW mode.
Bridge on the River Kwai
A vintage Derb. Classic. I would add only that I think “Oriental” (including Muslims) mind has not developed self-critique. It remains strongly collectivist & unaware of its shadow, to use a Jungian term.
I know it is one of those generalizations that are impossible to prove, but ….
This I disagree with. I noted Lincoln’s letter of recommendation earlier as an example otherwise. Is asking someone to give a job to a friend because his father died “in service of his country” not an example of nepotism? John Adams, one of the founders and presumably an excellent example of a citizen, avidly did everything he could to appoint his son JQ Adams into a diplomatic role to groom him for presidency(to his credit, Thomas Jefferson wrote a scathing letter about this). And of course, Andrew Jackson didn’t get his idea of the “spoils system” from thin air; it was a norm where he came from.
Mild nepotism to assist other men of “good breeding” was hardly unheard of and often seen as something positive; it was intimately tied with the Anglo class system as birth was seen as having positive qualities(which presumably justified bypassing standards) and having a patronage network to provide “letters of recommendation” was seen as a necessary means to gain admittance to college. There’s a reason why standardized testing was adopted by the British from the Chinese, in an effort to increase meritocracy(which the Parliament dubbed at the time as “The Chinese Mandarin system”).
Nor did this go away even in recent history: Orwell went on a long, long diatribe about in his “Oh, Such Were the Joys” at the overall ridiculousness of it all: that men should be honored for having wealth, but only if they did not earn it through any sort of labor. Now Orwell appears to have a particularly bitter and unhappy school experience, but the perception was clearly there.
At any rate, guanxi roughly is the same as a patronage network: it means “relationships” and essentially works around the idea of having fictive family. “Though we are not in fact blood-related, we will treat each other as family,” but it does not necessarily mean that all standards are tossed aside. It simply means that there’s an extended web of trust within that, which helps insulate against the larger network without trust. It means that you would ask within them first for which doctors are valuable, and your friends will check first to let you know if there are job openings in their company.
Is this a form of corruption? Probably. Is this that harmful when not in excess? I have my doubts. Patronage networks exist in Japan(hugely) and Singapore as well; but it has not extended to low level corruption across the board.
I think that anyone who said “having been to American and knowing some American-people pretty well” would only have a partial impression of America.
Indeed, to add to that – one of my best friends is an American who lived in a small town and described it as hellhole filled with meth dealers and hopelessness with deeply corrupt police.
This is true – for him, and indeed accurately captures a certain (very limited) portion of America. But it would be a poor and not very useful perspective of America as a whole, and indeed, would provide very little information on the actual driving political or capital forces in the US(which, for better or worse, do not come from a small rural towns in TN).
Oh, ty. Sorry to have wasted your time then.
I used to could get people into debates with just that much, but now the only debates I seem to get into are over misunderstandings.
I tend to reduce things to *loss of piety*, but I guess it’s the content not the representative term that matters.
OK, in a theoretical poli sci debate I’d agree: who rules is what matters.
But there’s danger in oversimplification. Other lessons should be learned also, such as why powerful Europeans didn’t advance their interests. Part of Jewish power is in how Jews currently advocate for their interests and work together as a group while white Gentiles currently do not.
My fear is we’ll repeat some of the same mistakes again or we’ll view NS Germany as the alternative, rather than keeping an open mind. NS Germany was too managerial (I mean roughly too centralised) and too progressive. I know little of NS Germany, but it seems to me too modern.
Also, I don’t believe Jewish power was as dominant then as it is today. I’m not a believer it was only Jews who pushed us into WWII. Never underestimate English ineptitude. And I’m of colonial British descent (half English, half Scot, roughly). The English didn’t appreciate the unique Bolshevik danger. They should have seen the Russians as the greater threat.
In elite theory, elites drive the world. But I believe elite theory can be misunderstood. There are many elites, and they are disunited. Also, there are unintended consequences, “fate” (sheer luck).
Well, “what’s wrong with China”?
This topic is so very old that 100 years ago Chinese intellectuals wrote countless articles about it. Just go and translate some early 20th century articles from Chinese, they’re way better than some inapt Whites.
Oh, and many of the problems we had 100 years ago have been solved, so I’m optimistic the rest will be solved in due time. Don’t worry.
A lot of people in the West (in fact almost everyone in the West) have this crazy idea that democracy and freedom are the same thing. They aren’t. In fact it could be argued that democracy is the mortal enemy of freedom (and I suspect most of America’s Founding Fathers would agree).
Democracies inevitably end up being more repressive than authoritarian regimes, because dissent is a greater threat in a democracy. Authoritarian regimes impose limits on what you can do. Liberal democracies seek to impose limits on what you can think.
The Holocaust is a tremendous black mark against western civilisation. It’s the worst crime in recorded history and invalidates any western pretensions of superiority over anyone else.
Sounds sensible to me. If every country took such a position we’d have a much better world. There’s a great deal to be said for nations minding their own business.
That’s why I think Australia made a huge mistake in not developing its own nuclear deterrent, back in the days when we were still an industrialised nation. If other nations don’t want to mind their own business nukes are the only viable way of persuading them to do so.
China is certainly going to need a much stronger military. The U.S. will not tolerate the existence of any alternative worldview or political system. The only way to persuade the U.S. to do so is to make sure they know what the consequences of interference will be.
Do the Chinese a favor kid, they loathes this label of ‘superpower‘, to them its nothing but a target painted on their back, a red flag to the murkkan bull !
What might your idea of a ‘responsible’ superpower be,
the one where 95% of the populace support bombing a country called…
Agrabah ??
https://johnmenadue.com/john-menadue-we-are-in-denial-about-the-risks-in-our-relationship-with-the-united-states-part-1-of-2/
buahahahahah
Or too much pride. Too much self-righteousness, too much of a busybody attitude, too little willingness to admit the possibility of being mistaken, too little respect for others. Too much narcissism. That’s the modern West, and that’s especially the U.S.
I think that’s almost certainly true.
Because white gentiles are not a group in any meaningful sense.
To be a group you need a shared culture, a shared history, ties of kinship, a sense of community. An ethnicity can be a group in that sense, but white gentiles is too broad to have any meaning for anybody.
You’re also overlooking class. Elites most definitely have a sense of themselves as a coherent group with a shared culture. Elites definitely work together as a group. And it makes no difference if they’re Jewish or non-Jewish, what matters is class. Elites have an intense sense of class consciousness.
Non-elite whites have no class consciousness. That’s why they get screwed.
This is a great thread, with a high level of thoughtful comment, far above the “We good, they bad” level that informs way too much cultural commentary in BOTH China and the West. Thanks to all who are contributing.
I doubt the hicks in Australia, with a population of 20m can produce a nuclear bomb nowadays , you can’t even produce your own phone..go back to digging the earth or chasing cattle for the Chinese. Australia should have been colonise by China or Japan long ago…the isolationism, pacifism and an insular outlook only works until some white neanderthal is knocking on your door with technology you invented ( gunpowder). Australians needs to be handled in the same way the indigenous aborigines were cleansed, A taste of their own medicine. Asia for Asians. China needs to actively engage the other races as it is doing and with our superior IQ and number dictate the next tides in history
Achmed:
Deep waters here. I recommend Prof. LaFleur’s lectures on the Analects of Confucius. Executive summary: commentator “Duke of Qin” is more or less right.
Paul Midler discusses this in his excellent book. Will (for example) China Apologize for the hundreds of foreigners cruelly massacred in the Boxer rebellion? Don’t hold your breath.
I don’t know how you get that. I’d like the Chinese to restrict their territorial ambitions to metropolitan China, i.e. get the heck out of Tibet and Eastern Turkestan; but within that zone I’m happy for them t0 be as nationalist as they please.
Bardon:
Thanks. This is my forte. I’ve read (a) well-nigh every book written by foreigners about China, and (b) much of what the Chinese have written about themselves (yes, including this one).
Class matters. It doesn’t matter to me, but it matters.
Being Jewish also matters. It’s clear many of these secular Jews are sympathetic to Israel, and it’s natural that Jews would work comfortably together.
One way Judaism matters is as TS Eliot warned: They identify neither as European nor as Christian. As such, secular Jews are less likely to conserve the West. So, it isn’t necessarily an intentional “Jews vs. West” situation but rather that secular Jews tend to go “Far Left”, so to speak.
Mormonism also seems to be relevant.
I’m open-minded. I believe it’s easy to err on this topic.
If pursuing certain political changes, then elites, even Jewish elites, shouldn’t be able to abuse the system. I generally want to shrink the super wealthy, shrink large corporations, shrink big government. And I want to empower the middle class. That’s not all I’d change, but that gives an idea of my positioning.
I view such changes as a sort of struggle among elites. If greater power were given to the middle class, I believe it would be an improvement. I’m not seeking utopia.
But Judaism, as well as Mormonism and likely other groups, has been significant. Sam Francis wrote the following (which is actually still available online!):
“If we are looking for the sources of the collective consciousness of “sins” such as “racism,” “sexism,” etc. and the systematic, politically enforced reconfiguration of American society, then the Jewish role in promoting racial egalitarianism, promoting feminism and subverting male social roles, instilling collective guilt, promoting mass immigration, and pushing multiculturalism (through Franz Boas and his disciples in anthropology, the civil rights movement, Freudian psychoanalysis, the Frankfurt School, any number of Marxist and New Left movements, Jewish feminist ideologues like Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem, and Susan Sontag, pro- immigration lobbying by Jewish “public interest” groups and individual political figures, and the major architect of multiculturalism, Horace Kallen, not to mention the largely Jewish “neo-conservatism” of recent years) can hardly be ignored. Gottfried, however, does ignore it almost entirely, though he gives a casual and not very complimentary nod to Kevin MacDonald’s work, which he characterizes in a footnote as “methodologically uneven but occasionally illuminating.” (p. 42, n. 5; and see also p. 15, n. 21”
I like to add Frank Meyers to the list. His “Fusionism” was harmful, in my view. Essentially Meyers “fused” traditional conservatism with libertarianism such that… only the libertarian remained. And a great weakness of the Right has been its ideological fanaticism and Pavlovian tendency to see any deviation from the market cult as “socialism”.
Rothbard supposedly is a positive influence (I haven’t read much by him). Stephen Miller is the latest Jewish conservative, and he seems to be quite the conservative. Marcus Epstein was once condemned as a “white supremacist” (obviously he’s not) for being a man of character. The Antiwar website is supposedly very Jewish. I think there’s a Jewish guy at VDARE? So, we have lots of “good Jews”. It would be interesting to see the topic explored further. Dr. MacDonald once wrote how Jews in the US South fought for the South, were thus patriotic. So, there is a counter-narrative.
Again, I’m a colonial Brit, and supposedly the British Empire did plenty of harm. And my state voluntarily embraced slavery. So, I can’t blame everything on Jews. But it is noteworthy how very powerful Jews are today.
Great potential energy existed which was taken advantage of (not only by Jews). Richard Weaver, for example, warned how those who helped build the bombs used on Nagasaki and Hiroshima didn’t necessarily know what they were a part of. And he condemned “The Great Stereopticon” of mass media. These are societal weaknesses, potential energy, potential abuse.
And regardless of who is in charge, such structures render a people little more than malleable, interchangeable, oblivious cattle. In short, it’s slavery; The managerial state is slavery. I value hierarchy, obviously (as does most anyone on the Right); but “hierarchy” needn’t mean enslavement.
So does a typical university-educated resident of say, Shanghai, have
any metaphysical beliefs? In a Higher Power? An afterlife? Or is it
mostly straight Marxist dialectical materialism?
“It’s the worst crime in recorded history and invalidates any western pretensions of superiority over anyone else.”
Getting a little overwrought….hey?
Tend to exaggerate….hey?
How about Stalin and Mao????
I reviewed Arthur H. Smith’s Chinese Characteristics here.
The total lack of political correctness a century ago made anthropological writing funny and engaging in a way that is almost impossible today.
You can even see this wrt to just China – here is another review I wrote about a modern anthropology of China.
You are never going to be this hardcore.
None of the above, in my opinion, #2. At first glance, I thought you meant University-educated/attending Chinese people here in America. That’s all I can vouch for when I state:
Quite a few attend Christian churches. A minority of them may really be believing Christians, but I think most can not shake the materialism that is all they had for belief their whole lives before. They go to the service, but then the discussions are whether the Pastor should be making that much money, why they bought the big church van (a valid point) and whether the one lady is ripping them off on her home-made tofu (pretty sure).
Hey, I’m just a lowly observer. I can’t know what’s in these peoples’ hearts, or even what’s coming out of most of their mouths.
Oh, I never figured out what “dialectic” or “dialectical” mean, and by duckduckgoing it, I feel like I’ll get on some kind of list resulting in SPAM emails about Communism and the latest coffee beans from Co-looom-bee-yah.
Hey, Realist, Stalin and Mao were just attempts at achieving Communism that went somewhat awry. They’re gonna do it right and proper next time, least that’s what a coupla unz writers have told me – Mr.’s Godfree and Petras.
Another late reply, Daniel, but just a short story:
A very religious lady (Christian) out west who we were acquainted with was “told by God” to go to China to help convert people to Christianity. She was a nice lady, but more important to this story, a baker by trade. All I had were (multiple) slices of raspberry cheesecake, and it was damn good, but her store made all kinds of great stuff.
The family’s (kids and all, including an adopted Chinese little girl) idea was to go to China, somewhere in Zhejang province outside of Shanghai, to open up a coffee shop. It would have baked goods that the Chinese hopefully would love (if they have any decent taste buds at all!). I remember that the husband was going to take some type of blue-collar job, while the woman would talk about Christianity to customers.
They were not going to bribe anyone for whatever permits they would need to open the bakery. However, more than a whole year went by in China, they tried their best, but the shop was never allowed to open. This family had integrity, but OTOH, I guess not so many Chinese were converted.
The family came back to America, having wasted that time, completely due to corruption, and probably the fact that the Chinese gov’t doesn’t cotton to religion.
Now, you can get breaks from a guy from the city or country for whatever, here too, but I’ll tell you this. If you are small time, but you push through the system, you can get things done here eventually, albeit probably with more stress, even if you never go through any dirty channels. You may have to threaten going over people’s heads or even lawsuits, but you can get your way.
Yeah, couldn’t pull it up on this ole-timey browser due to https, but I’ll look at it on another device later on. Thank you.
The religion thing with respect to the current – Alt-Commie gov they’ve got in China, reminded me:
How about that Falun Gong business that was going on as far back as the early 2000’s? I remember reading about it in the WSJ, before I ditched that rag. Come on, these people just wanted to hang out together to exercise and meditate. That gave the Chinese government fits, and they attempted to shut it all down.
There are quite a few Chinese people now who could afford to lose 10-20 lb. They should crank that Falun Gong stuff back up and rebrand it, as “The People’s Falun Gong”, not “your Baba’ Falun Gong” with some way for the people involved to make a profit. Possibly they could pick up trash as part of the exercises and even clean up loogies off the sidewalk (the latter would probably put a big dent in the workforce though ….)
Derb, this is why I read whatever you post.
You’re right. The U.S. may have once displayed responsibility as a superpower, but no longer does. And will lose that status.
The Jews would know, wouldn’t they? As collectively narcissistic a people as any on Earth. Next time you hear or read a Jew complaining about some people other than Jews, ask him what are the historical sins of the Jews. He’ll tell you “nothing,” or he’ll humblebrag (“too naive,” “too trusting,” lol), or he’ll go ethnocentric (“we aren’t Jewish enough”) or religious (“we forgot G-d’s Law”) but it is extremely unlikely he will give you any actual criticism of anything Jews did to the other. Jews are blameless, and Jews in general are devoid of the White tendency to step out of their own shoes and look at things remotely objectively, or from the other fellow’s point of view.
This seems an obvious and inevitable consequence of China’s (population) size. China is basically Europe in east Asia; no way in Hell that center would hold for long in Europe. Europeans are too fractious. That the Chinese have managed to do it for so long is a testament to their less fractious character. But there are limits; China’s hold has always been uneasy.
Falun Gong is a political party masquerading as a religion. There’s more to be said about that, but T. Greer of Scholar’s Stage, who is plainly anti-Chinese government, has even gone into this as well. Falun Gong for all practical purposes, is an subversive entity that gathers funds overseas to undermine the government. He compared them to Al-Queda; I would compare them to Scientology. In both cases, it is a religious entity with political intentions. The Party does not welcome that. Good riddance.
Your friend’s first mistake was to make a store that had a relationship with Christianity. This probably put them on a blacklist. The last mistake was not to address it in a relevant way, such talking to a Communist party official. Bribes aren’t necessary, but not being seen as a threat is. The Party comes before you, China and God Himself as far as the Party is concerned.
If they want to try again, try Shenzhen. And talk to a Party official for goodness’ sake.
I just read that book by Midler, and it is fascinating. It’s exactly how Jews do business in America, adjusted for different circumstances.
Every white person should read that book if he’s interested in the future survival of the West. Not in order to “bash” China – but to learn from it!
And why not? The West must humble itself and learn, because their old tactics just aren’t adaptive anymore. Asians learned from the West when it was clear that their culture was maladaptive – are we gonna be too stubborn to do the same? Are we gonna have to go through some massive trauma like Asians did?
Right now Asians and Jews have more adaptive tactics than us – why shouldn’t we be humble enough to accept that?
For the past 500 years our tactics were supreme, but not anymore.
The essence of Chinese tactics – and Jewish – after all the verbiage can be reduced to one single word: deception, deception, deception.
Deception is death to innovation. For that you require brutal honesty of the kind the West specialized in for the past few centuries. But let’s be brutally frank – the era of innovation is over. Finished. At best, we are refining existing technologies.
In this new era the old brutal honesty of the West is maladaptive.
If the West is to survive, it must reinvent itself and develop a tradition of deception like Sun Tzu. This shouldn’t be impossible because the West has reinvented itself multiple times, like Japan.
Let’s put aside all sentimentalism and be brutally frank here – the west did not have a culture of brutal honesty because it was more “moral”. They had it because it gave them tremendous power in the form of technology.
But for whatever reason, technological innovation has dried up, and sticking to a culture of brutal honesty is maladaptive in this new environment.
If the West wants to survive, it must get rid of its sentimental attachment to morality and honesty and develop cunning – deception.
There is no other way – the honesty needed to develop new technology is just no longer yielding any fruits and has become a massive chain around our necks.
A new culture of deception and cunning can coexist with virtue and compassion to some degree, but the extreme development of honesty is an over-specialization that cannot be sustained.
Another thing westerners should copy from the Chinese and Jews – don’t take the world so seriously.
Westerners seem terribly in earnest, whereas for Jews and Asians the world and all its imposing social structures are something of a joke.
Perhaps Buddhism with its theory of the world as an illusion helps the Chinese not be so terribly serious – and perhaps Jews as outsiders and nomads have learned to not see seemingly solid social structures as evanescent.
But the Western grasp for permanence and stability in an unstable world is seriously maladaptive.
Life is much more fun when you don’t take it seriously – more of an adventure. It’s this attitude that is the source of Chinese charm.
We need detachment, not to be so serious, to see life as more of a joke and an adventure.
Detachment also gives you flexibility and adaptability to novel situations – “beliefs” give you rigidity and death.
Ah yes, promoting separatism.
No.
Not Marxism, no.
I’ll say that like in the US, its mostly agnostic leaning toward atheism. The spiritual leanings that exist are largely toward Buddhism, lesser toward Christianity. Those interested in esoterica often go Taoist.
And it’s a myth that China is a peaceful society that seeks harmony – it’s obvious that Chinese society is in a constant state of low level warfare where aggression gets chanelled into business rather than bloodshed. Perhaps that’s better, but aggression there is in spades.
Maybe it’s time to accept that strife is inescapable and peace an illusion. As a species we will probably destroy ourselves, but why not treat the ride down as a grand adventure?
And for those of you like me – mystics, poets, and pleasure seekers – who are bored by the competition for status and money, we can develop a self defensive cunning and deception that keeps us afloat in a shifting and tricky world and allows us to follow our impulses in relative freedom, and not taking the world seriously will defend us from being taken in by the seemingly imposing structures of society.
And Buddhism and taoism discourage metaphysical speculation – much of Buddhism is the use of subtle logic to make us see all beliefs are untenable and ultimate reality is a mystery beyond words.
Beliefs are a western peculiarity.
Abandoning Marxism won’t lead the Chinese into a belief system – but maybe, into traditional practices designed to cope with mystery.
For what it is worth, I believe that Christianity and evangelical religions are tremendously powerful in their ability to provide justification to do things which would have more “rational” material idea but nonetheless provide valuable experiences and knowledge.
Its not rational, for example, to go forth as missionaries but that often leads to experiences in other nations and languages, not to mention serves as a meaningful backing for colonization(to protect the local Christians). Its not an accident that Chinese Muslims were always the most hawkish in the dynastic court – wanting to clear a path to Mecca for fellow Muslims, for example, is something that seems irrational but is religiously very sound. A Muslim-dominated China would probably be much larger, though likely not have many of current characteristics of the people.
In that, I think that evangelical religions can be quite admirable.
Hey, Daniel, you were not there, and they were there, for OVER A YEAR. I’m sure if they could have got it done legitimately, they would have. These people were not stupid. They told my friend (cause I haven’t had a chance to see them since) that bribes were required, and they just weren’t gonna do that.
Nope I doubt they will return to China. Enough is enough.
“Blacklist” means something beyond “wait a year.”
The error was not in the money; it was because a relationship with Christianity was extant. Beyond that, it ain’t Jian Zemin’s China anymore.
But my apologies that they had to experience that. I’m sure it was frustrating for them.
Right, Christianity seen as a “technology” has been very useful – but things change, and we must adapt.
Flexibility is key.
This passage is particularly jarring given the larger Chinese macroeconomic context. Midler and Derbyshire come off as grandpas with a loose collection of persnickety anecdotes that aren’t illuminating. So how do these sub-optimal Chinese long term business practices fit in within the larger frame of tremendous success as an exporter?
This is not to say there aren’t a lot of cultural problems and backwardness in how Chinese do things but unless Midler or Derbyshire can meld both observation and larger factual context together into a coherent idea, I doubt they have any value as intelligent commentators on China.
I don’t know if humanity as we know of it has that much of a future. I think about Kaczynski a lot.
I hear you, Daniel. I am convinced humanity has no future.
Like all species, ours will go extinct eventually. Our problems are intractable. Nationalism leads to war. Abandoning nationalism leads to destruction. There is no solution.
I had this idea that humans “should” be good – I am forced to admit that I simply had the wrong idea about humans. That’s just not the “kind” of animal we are. At what point can you no longer deny reality.
Rather than being depressing such a reality check can be liberating. No longer hobbled by illusions, we can enjoy the ride while it lasts.
There is a deep mystery at the bottom of the world, and the value of the world does not depend on the existence of humans.
Nah, no apology is necessary from you, but this was a story to illustrate corruption at the local level, as we have been discussing. As far as the Christianity aspect, see, I’m not sure they would have even brought that up (maybe that’s devious, maybe not, cause, after all, it was not supposed to be a Church/Coffee shop/Bakery, as far as I know). I think they just figured they’d open it, introduce the Chinese to good baking*, and then discuss Christ with the customers.
Back to another point – I just discussed Falun Gong with a Chinawoman, who does not have much political knowledge or interest. She agreed with you that, and used descriptions that would make it seem somewhere in between Jim Jone’s Kool-Aid drinkers** and subversives like, say the antifa. So, I apologize for my lack of knowledge on this group. Is it true that hundreds of them burned themselves to death at Tienanmen Square? That’s what I was told, but it’s hard to get at the real truth, anywhere, these days.
* As you know, there is not much knowledge of it. I mean, steamed bread, come TF on? ;-}
** Man, all this commenting is making me thirsty!
I know someone who is related to a 20-y/o (at the time) who got a number of his fingers blown off by that guy. Kaczynski deserves to be stuck in a hole somewhere. I do think the guy’s thinking was amazingly prescient. Some people may be too smart to live in this world, as they can see all the devious bad stuff coming down and can’t handle it.
Those types need to get outside and do some work. I bet if Mr. Kaczynski had been spending time improving the cabin, and raising all his own food, it’d have cleared his mind and made him somewhat happier. That’s my prescription, and I wouldn’t have even charged him for it.
Dr. Achmed E. Newman, psychoanalyst-in-training
Here is a great little anecdote told by a Syrian Jew to the author –
This is how fortunes are made. Instead of getting angry at those dastardly Jews why not understand that society, which seems so solid, is actually made out of smoke and mist?
Instead of a naive faith in IQ and “merit” which offers the comfort that life “makes sense” and things are reasonable and well ordeted, why not accept that at the bottom of life there is chaos?
Is it scary to admit that the social order is underpinned by sheer nothingness? That IQ would only be a determining factor in a reasonable world that was well ordered – not our world of chaos? Sometimes I wonder if the IQ myth was not invented by people desperate to believe the world was well ordered.
Shed your illusions, and he free.
And it isn’t a Jewish or Asian thing – the Elizabethans were master decievers and pirates, and the English acquired India through fraud and deceit. Read your history, white people.
Greatness is inseparable from fraud and deceit. Underneath the social order is sheer nothingness.
One may well after seeing this decide that greatness is inane – but surely the stupidest idea is to think that we live in a well ordered world where greatness is the simple reward of genuine merit.
You can rail at the Jews or the Asians, but we are all condemned to live in a world that is run by these principles. The dream of an isolationist white society organized on different principles is an illusion. Nationalist countries may be more harmonious at home, but they are condemned to practice fraud, deceit, and force on the world stage.
Well, when we create general purpose AI, even if it means that even if our species was destined Chronos-like to be a father to be betrayed, we nonetheless will leave a legacy for our “children” eve as our remenants of our spieces live in a Tartarus that was our collective subconscious desire.
I find that hopeful as a thought.
He had his moments of levity.
Ever since at least the 1960s, so-called moral activism in the Western world has been primarily about the activist – his/her worth as a good human being, an enlightened soul, a paragon of virtue.
Pretty obvious that these crusaders don’t care about the actual causes, or that there are real flesh and blood people for whom they may wish to be doing some good.
Oh no, far more important to be SEEN and THOUGHT OF as good by one’s peers.
Yes, some burned themselves to death. But more importantly, they organized significant numbers and tried to subvert the Party and daddy don’t take kindly to that, let’s just say. You don’t try to out-cancer the cancer, damn it.
Its hard to find out what’s going on in China, to be honest. I consider Richard McGregor to be one of the Western sources on China and he explained it as such: “The West doesn’t try very hard to understand what’s going on inside of China, and the Party tries to be as obscure as possible.” It can make for a difficult combination.
Oh I agree, China calls itself “Communist” alright. They have the outer forms, they have the terms.
But I think it was in 1989 when Alexander Solzhenitsyn toured parts of China, during a key moment in history: the Berlin Wall was about to fall, the Soviet Union was still formally whole, and China had just embarked on the Reform Era.
What he said was something to the effect of “What I am seeing in action in China is not any kind of Communism I’ve ever seen in my life.”
Point is, I would wager that present-day China is the country which is the least bound by any sort of dogma or ideology or indeed of any arbitrary self-conception.”We are good Communists or “We are a Republic and Democratic, etc” – said no Chinese in the last 30 years.
My personal experience in China is that there was almost no low- and mid-level corruption or bribery, at least in the cities. I never experienced any difficulties in residence changes, visa renewals, nor any kind of hint from anyone that giving gifts or “reciprocity” was expected or wanted. Chinese municipal areas are run as very tight ships.
Life in China is simple as a private citizen. You got to know the rules, you followed them, everything went smoothly. If you didn’t follow them, things get hard for you.
Now, that’s in the cities, at the low/mid levels of governance. Didn’t have a problem. Also noticed many restaurants had a “no tipping” rule – the waitresses returned tips, pointing out that they were not needed, nor allowed. Don’t know what was up with that. Maybe to discourage favoring certain customers over others? Level of service was always consistent, though.
Out in rural areas, pretty sure there must be some bribery, “gift” giving and corruption. No idea of the extent.
“I don’t know how you get that. I’d like the Chinese to restrict their territorial ambitions to metropolitan China, i.e. get the heck out of Tibet and Eastern Turkestan;”
Standard clueless statement. Why don’t you ask India to get the hell out of South Tibet, which was invaded and annexed by India in 1951?
“I hear you, Daniel. I am convinced humanity has no future.”
So you espouse a belief that people are essentially meaningless, and that life on earth is futile. Feel free to hold that opinion.
“Like all species, ours will go extinct eventually.”
MAY go, or COULD go, but not WILL. Your fatalism is duly noted.
“Our problems are intractable. Nationalism leads to war. Abandoning nationalism leads to destruction. There is no solution.”
Of course there are solutions. You are being ridiculous here.
“I had this idea that humans “should” be good – I am forced to admit that I simply had the wrong idea about humans. That’s just not the “kind” of animal we are. At what point can you no longer deny reality.”
The reality is that most people are good in a number of different ways. Whether or not they “should” be in each and every situation demonstrates our fallibility.
“There is a deep mystery at the bottom of the world, and the value of the world does not depend on the existence of humans.”
Thankfully, very few people on this Earth value your extreme skepticism, that nothing in the world has a real existence.
That’s just not the personal experience of Chinapeople I know, but I’m glad to hear your story. I will add that you’re a Westerner, right, just trying to get by. Hell, you could be paying double, for all you know. I know that’s how it goes at hotels, if you don’t know how to bargain. (Yes, the lady from my bakery story was American, but I think that all was on a higher level, since she was a foreigner opening a business, vs. just a guy trying to live in China for a while.
I know about the no tipping, but that brings up a funny story that took place in NYC Chinatown. I was buying a Chinese lady dinner there, and she said “well, this place is just like China, you don’t have to tip.” I didn’t believe that at all, but she kept insisting. “OK, fine.” (It was just $12 total).
About 100 ft outside the restaurant door, the waitress caught up with us “Hey, you have to leave a tip, you know.” or something. “You’re Chinese, and we’re in Chinatown”, I said. “Everything is just like China.” “No, this is New York.” “Well, it’s too late now!”
Needless to say, we didn’t go eat anywhere near that block on the rest of the trip, as the lady I was with was worried about expectoration, at the very least!
“subjugating others… is a really bad idea. It is inevitably going to result in foreigners entering China in unprecedented numbers. This has happened before in China’s past”
When was that?
The double standard and hypocrisy of some whites is unbelievable, and you are making your people look bad. If China needs to leave Tibet and Xinjjiang, then white people should get out of North America and Australia at the minimum.
Unlike the Greeks, Chinese culture throughout history has been emphasizing agriculture and restraining commerce （重农抑商）. Intellectuals> farmers> craftsman> merchants, was the line of importance for China. Merchants at the bottom. We have words for “evil merchant” (奸商), none for farmer or craftsman.
Westerners should learn some basic about Chinese culture before they write anything about China. Focus on the least important group of people wouldn’t lead you to understand China.
As aggressive as Chinese merchants are doing business around the world, you can bet that China’s real efforts will be put into actual productions. It’s a tradition.
Merchants will not hold enough power to de-industrialize and financialize the economy.
No,
You first, John !
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PUERTO RICO
DIEGO GARCIA,
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LAST BUT NOT LEAST, INDIAN NE, AKA SOUTHERN TIBET
THE TIBET THAT NO ANGLOS WANNA TALK ABOUT
[PARTLY ROBBED BY THE BRITS AND BEQUEATHED TO THE INDIANS,
PARTY GOBBLED UP BY INDIA AFTER ITS OWN INDEPENDENCE]
The anglos owes the SEVEN SISTERS big time,
https://newint.org/features/1994/06/05/keynote
Those ‘human rights activists’ are nothing but witting/unwitting patsies
serving fukus agenda.
They’d fly 3000 miles to Beijing to protest on the Tibet rail way project, while real genocides were perpetrated at next door India’s Tibet, a hand me down from the departing Brits.
The NE ‘chinkie faced’ people suffered a double whammy under Indian rule
At home, they groan under the brutal AFSPA ‘anti insurgency law’, a license to torture, kill, rape with impunity, another hand me down from the anglos.
When NE folks go to the heartland to study or work, they’r singled out for racial violence and sexual assaults cuz they look like Chinese. Every other day there’r NE people getting beaten up, killed and gang raped in Delhi and other cities cuz their ‘chinki look’, low life rapists there especially have a fetish for fair skinned ‘chinki faced’ females.
Recently a five year old Tibetan girl was raped and beheaded by two Indian men in occupied South Tibet (so called Arunachal Pradesh). Just another typical day in occupied South Tibet and in India.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/india-young-girl-rape-murder-suspects-arunachal-pradesh-beaten-to-death/
The hypocrisy of the West stinks to high heaven. Massive human rights abuse occur in Nagaland and the Northeast in India on a daily basis and the West say not a word. A few years ago Indian troops gun down hundreds of protesters in Kashmir on one day and the West mums not a word.
IMO the theories about (1) tea India vs. China and (2) opium with sesame seeds are total BS.
I don’t think derb would be happy till chinese are groveling at his feet 🙂 with his superior genes and all 🙂 a chinese civil war and chinese killing each other is probably his wet dream.
and so many retarded serpenza video links in the comments. the guy is literally cancer to actual knowledge and information.
The worst crime in western history was the Jewish communist holomodor, gulag and other vicious things the Jews did to destroy Russia and Central Europe.
Affirmative action is the second most eeee vvviiii lllll thing that has ever happened in the history of the earth.
The third most evil affront to the eye is those god awful hideous 99 cent store looking white vertical blinds in residential housing. Offices are where we suffer all day to earn a living. So those supremely ugly vertical blinds are ok because work is horrible anyway.
But what possessed contractors and landlords and sellers to put those horrible things in homes and apartments? Who invented those horrors? De debbil made dem do it.
Drab beige, gray and mud green carpet and furnishings combined with White walls is the 4th most evil thing that has ever happened.
Beets and eggplant and slimy artificial meat Subway sandwiches should be added to things that should not exist.
Don’t blame the West, blame the liberal media which is more interested in hating White Europeans and Americans than reporting world news.
I’ve read about those people who the Caucasian Indians dislike. Sorry, as a member of the untouchable persecuted White race in America I’m too busy trying to survive genicide by American liberals to help other persecuted ethnic groups.
Here is what you should do to help those Asians in NE India. You don’t need to live in America to do it.
1 Spend a few hundred USD to form a non profit educational charitable cooperation in an American state. Give it a name like save the whatever’s.
2 hire a commission grant writer and fundraiser. There are tens of thousands of them in the USA. He or she will get grants from endless government agencies ( taxpayers) and other charitable educational foundations. The foundations exist to raise money and disburse the money to other foundations know as NGOs or non government organizations or grant hustlers or poverty pimps or cause people
Charitable educational foundations are a big, big business in America.
The grant writer will get the money, charge you a percentage and you get the rest of the money.
3 use the money to hire a public relations agency to put articles about the persecution of Asian looking people in NE India. The American media is constantly on the lookout for politically correct minorities being persecuted by various governments.
4 you’ll need to be very, very politically correct. Your public relations agency can write the press releases to be politically correct to appeal to the liberal press.
You sure about Chechnya? I’m pretty sure the Russian right wants out of Chechnya.
Hi there, your Grace, haven’t heard from you in a while. You always have interesting things to say.
Maybe his excellency is right. It’s my opinion that both China and the United States have enough people, territory, resources and different climate that both countries could do very well with isolationism. Both countries can grow their own food and produce just about everything they need.
Although China needs to import oil and gasoline no? Both countries should take care of themselves. America invaded the world militarily while China invades the world with cheap garbage that falls apart and poisonous dog food.
American made furnaces, hot water heaters, stoves refrigators and other neccisities lasted 30 years. Your Chinese garbage breaks down in 10 or less.
Most people think China can’t produce durable major purchase goods like furnaces. I think China makes garbage that falls apart so quickly to keep creating sales of the neccisities like furnaces stoves hot water heaters etc.
Wouldn’t that cause a war between India and China. Lots of wars have started because country A took up the cause of a persecuted minority in country B.
Or is that what you want, a war with China grabbing that part of NE India?
10 million died in the Taiping rebellion. Farms, towns and workshops and factories, shipping, wagons, bridges horses and mules were all destroyed leaving a wasteland.
A lot of the refugees ended up all over Indonesia, the Philippines and got to California a little before the Gold Rush. A lot of the old California Chinese are descended from them.
Most western histories of China don’t even mention it. 2 retarded emperors in a row didn’t help either.
China has had its ups and downs. It’s on a roll right now. Every country has its cycle.
Might be a good idea to define what country you’re writing about. China???
I can only speak for Australia.
The analogy of boilng the frog comes to mind.
Prior to WWII there was very minimal non-anglo immigration. (Tiny Chinese community- active official racism)
After WWII we under went the ” populate or perish” government policy. Active government encouragement of immigration from the UK …AND Italy, Greece etc. This proved something bof a culture shock.
However, by the 70’s that immigration had been digested…. just in time for the flood of Vietnamese refugees. This was felt to be a moral obligation not ideology. Then came the Lebanese & political correctness in the late 70-80’s. After that: open slather, full throttle PC, no holds barred. So — 2018….
I wonder if a book exists written by a Chinese with the title ‘What is wrong with the west ?’.
The title of the book reminds me of Bernard Lewis book, I never read it, about Islam ‘What went wrong ?’, or something like that.
Wrong is not an objective word or idea, it is subjective.
A Syrian migrant in the Netherlands is reported to want four wives, we think this wrong, he does not.
Lords of the Rim by Sterling Seagrave is an excellent book about China.
. Seagrave comes from a family that lived in China since the mid 19th century raising tea. So he is knowledgeable. The book covers the last thousand years of Chinese history. But the major part is about how and why the Chinese have always left China to spread all over E. Asia
He’s written other books about China. Of course I don’t know that much about China to really judge his accuracy. But he writes about China, not China and the west like most non Chinese do.
Seagrave thinks the reason the Chinese spread all over the world is because the Chinese governments were often tax gouging , bribe demanding dictators at every level. So the Chinese fled when the governments were nasty and stayed when the governments were decent.
I don’t know if any Chinese agree with Seagrave but his book seems very knowledge to me.
Why can’t China be China and let the culture of the West alone? I doubt you realize how strong insane liberal culture in the West is.
In an authoritarian state, the government can move right on economic issues while staying conservative on social issues like immigration. You can’t seem to do this in a western democracy. If you shift right on economic issues you end up having to shift left on a range of social issues. Conversely, if you want to push some conservative social policies you need to push left on the economic front to attract the working and lower-middle class.
Since the economic shift to the right in the late 1970s, there has been a decreasing amount of political space to push right-wing social policies and views. Trump has move the Overton window a little to the right, but if his rhetoric about helping the white working class rings hollow, then the window will shift left again.
Do you live in China? Do you know anyone in the people’s congress, the state council, high ranking military or members of the central committee of the communist party?
Would a newspaper or magazine print your plans for China? You can start a website. Why would China want to go to war with any country? You are now and throughout history supreme in Asia. India and the west are too far away to harm China. I suppose China could invade Russia but why?????
China has a nice solid chunk of territory. You have no need to expand. You make practically everything and the world is thrilled to buy it. China is the workshop of the world.
Why would China want to start a war and with whom?
Some westerners seem to equate the Chinese term Merchant with Businessman or Entrepreneur. That is simply not the case.
I think, in the Chinese context, Merchant means broadly, “middleman”. More specifically “speculator”.
People who interpose themselves between producers (such as artisans, farmers, tradesmen – those who actually create value) and consumers.
The founder-CEOs of Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu etc. are not Merchants.
Those who buy houses and land with the goal of flipping them (much harder to do now in China than in the West), as well as stock and financial instrument speculators, are Merchants.
In China, Finance serves actual value production, not the other way around. Speculators are regarded as maybe one rung above Con-artists in the eyes of the public, if even that.
In my experience, the “Henan peasant” (Hebei actually — I never spent time in Henan) was a lot nicer than the cutthroat real estate shark. Chinese peasants are some of the best people I’ve ever known. Generous, friendly, hospitable, humble, diligent, etc.
In a sense I agree with the early Chinese communists in that China’s system was based on the exploitation of these people and gave them very little in return. However, despite decades of communism, things don’t seem to have changed, and that certainly isn’t the fault of Westerners.
China’s biggest problem is philosophical. To the Chinese, this world and the ideal world are sort of parallel universes that aren’t directly connected to each other. To Westerners, what we do in this world is directly connected to an ideal outcome.
>>get the heck out of Tibet and Eastern Turkestan<<
Why? Tibetans reap much economical benefits from rest of china and the homo-pedo lama theocracy which encamped something like 1/4 to 1/3 of Tibetan males was dismantled. Tibet economy will collapse overnight without china; just how well off are the Dalai's boys in India,eh?
Nor will China allow Tibet to be controlled by US or india military bases.
As with Xinjiang, are you, a self-proclaimed 'china hand' not know that China has a long history in central asia, as long as the Urghurs? The original inhabitants of Xinjiang were not Turkic Urghurs, actually a Persian speaking people, still there, numbered in 10s of 1000s the last time I checked their numbers.
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One more interesting bit, the semi-legendary Chinese heroine Hua Mulan was actually not a Han. She was the daughter of a non-han military chief who served the Chinese king/emperor in that part of central asia. I personally suspect 'Hua' is a local phonetical translation of 'Farsi'. Likely Mulan was ethnic Persian.
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I must remember you the limey imperial design on Tibet could only exists in the form of internet babble
China where I have lived for eight years certainly has its faults. I have gone nuts myself a few times of which I am heartily ashamed. The good thing about China is a culture where the Government sincerely tries to improve the living standards of the entire population maybe minus migrant workers who conveniently disappear out of the statistics. The Government system views its legitimacy not by winning elections but by material general progress. I consider a truly diabolical Government has never existed in China. Chinese culture ensures social order by tranquillity. If it does break down, it becomes simply banditry. So no Pizzagates in reality or urban legend.
I like how a number of commentators here have not been gamed using the reciprocity effect.
Some white author will do a so called “nuanced” article about China and then some people feel the need to reciprocate because compared to the other all negative pieces authors, so they feel he should be cut some slack or worse, he is a friend who could educated without realising they just got gamed.
A person offering you pure poison to consume is not worse than the one offering you poisoned wagyu steak.
Bravo fellas!
Ha! Democracy!!! that hallowed piece of crap that provides Uncle Sam (or is it Uncle Schlomo??) to bomb the crap out of many countries!
Nice to see it crumbling in the belly of the beast I left quite a white ago!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vveKczHV9JU
Video Link
Looking through the reactions here I wonder what is being discussed.
In my usual immodest opinion it is quite simple, the Chinese in power realised that if they kept the centrally controlled economy, they would go the way of the communist leaders of the USSR.
The USSR leaders never realised, until maybe it was too late, that a centrally controlled economy cannot produce the consumer goods the consumer wants.
When tv and radio taught the USSR masses that their counterparts in the west had houses, cars and refrigerators, they wanted these things too.
It led to the end of communist rule, for what is was worth.
The Chinese communist leaders realised that they also would be swept away, unless they let the profit motive in, to a certain extent.
A Dutch woman representing Dutch universities in China once explained ‘the Chinese do not bother about democracy, as long as they are ruled well’.
One cannot eat democracy.
Of course, liberating the economy to a certain extent brings political tensions, some in China do not accept the rule by a party oligarchy.
I wonder what part of the population they are.
What we now see more and more in the EU is the opposite ‘what is wrong with the EU ?.
Those in power tell us all the time that things are going better and better, alas very few experience that, maybe half are of the opinion that things are getting worse and worse.
And yet, we can vote.
At the last EU elections 30% voted, I never did.
Look here now, aren’t you buying into the Western kool aid that quality, being concerned about one’s reputation, etc, is something that can only found in Western cultures, or some variant of it is mostly like that in the West but only sometimes like that in China…
That there are Singaporeans thinking like you shows the negative effects of British Colonialism. Singaporeans (Chinese) do say they kept the best British culture while the UK is now full of chavs and the like while retaining their Chinese heritage which I largely agree. But it also seems to made ‘you guys’ more susceptible to Western propaganda at perhaps an unconscious level.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt that 名誉 is a Japanese loan word/term from the last century.
I suppose there is a certain amount of resentment that China is eating Singapore lunch at at increasing pace. But Lee Kuan Yew anticipated this would be so and said so like 30 years when he said Singapore needed to become a knowledge economy to hold it’s own against China. And you guys are still trying to be one. But it’s not China’s fault that the 2 Prime Ministers after him lacked his execution ability or the benefit of having Albert Winsemius as his Zhugeliang and his plans failed to come about.
If anything, Singapore or perhaps more accurately, the PAP should learn to pragmatic and accept things and see if there is a way to make the most of things as you guys would say. I mean in spite of Lee Hsien Loong, top CPC cadres are still sent to NTU right?
Anyway, gong xi fa cai and so on and so forth…
I never understand chinese posters. why do you always defend? learn to attack stupid writings like that.
if china should give up those 2 areas, usa should give up it’s land in it’s entirety. all the white people in asian countries should gtfo too. qing chinese empire’s conquest of tibet was before the founding of usa 🙂
see, a simple attack that throws hypocrisy like that into their faces. rub it into their faces. make it bleed.
I don’t attack derb much because I consider him to be a sad, scared, old man who is just watching out for the white heritage. but as a chinese, you can 🙂
Consumer durables today are really not so durable, but relative to incomes they are an order of magnitude cheaper than the good old days. The ultimate person responsible for this is the consumer. They demand cheaper. The manufacturer provides it. There are product engineers whose whole job is to “optimize” a product by removing material to save costs and shipping. Durability suffers but that’s OK. It may last half as long but it’s a quarter of the price and more importantly the consumer gets to experience that delirious high of buying something shiny and new.
You want something well made and that will last? Expect to pay through the nose. Not just big name brand levels of expensive who are just as skin flint as any mass market manufacturer but more along the lines of $700 for a fruit juicer expensive. Want furniture that’s not pleather and particleboard? Expect to pay 10x what major retailers charge.
I’d like that, but the west is on a moral crusade to spread its values everywhere. Just read this article from the NYT, written by a frumpy feminist:
https://nytimes.com/2018/02/20/opinion/china-women-birthrate-rights.html
Listen to the condescending tone, the use of liberal ‘women’s rights’ rhetoric to undermine China’s efforts at fixing its aging population.
Liberal democracy is the most hegemonic political ideology in history. Despite what Duke of Qin says, withdrawing from the world and playing turtle forever is not a sustainable solution. We must go on the offensive, and change international norms until liberal culture is either dismantled, permanently diluted, or at least stops encroaching on non-western countries.
Biggest example was during the Tang and probably China’s biggest mistake with multiculturalism. Back then the Chinese were much more xenophilic even compared to to the today, or at least the elites were. The Chinese expansion into Central Asia brought a slew of foreigners into China, primarily Turks and various Iranian peoples. Things were so bad that imperial capital was (well the Western one) was being turned into Londonistan light. Despite doomsayers cautioning against this, the Court was indifferent at best or actively hostile. These are loyal subjects you see and they have our best interests at heart! Long story short one of these foreigners social climbs his way into a governorship over the heart of North China. Things get so ridiculous that the man begins actively dismissing Han Chinese military officers under his command and replacing them with his coethnics and the gullible Chinese actually sign off and approve of these transfers. Stop me if this type of ethnic subversion sounds familiar. Unlike today though, they weren’t content with merely controlling the Media apparatus and made a big play for the Army bureaucracy. Naturally this results in an ethnic coup attempt which is mistakenly labeled as a Civil War.
>>I never understand chinese posters..<<
You misunderstood me. First of all, there's a number of things I hardly bother to react, like
1)Someone claim Chinese to be stupid, non-innovative, copycat-like…
2)State how poor china is. China sure is poor; even the skilled construction workers in Chinese cities don't make more than the equivalent of US min.wage.
……..
I basically tried to point some obvious BS regarding history,like 1) anti-Chinese propagandists paint how 'spiritual' is Dalai lama and his theocrazy, basically whitewashing the fact he, like his long list of predecessors have been the most oppressive theocrats and the low caste Tibetans were their victims 2)All the infrastructure work in Tibet built at great Chinese expenses were designed to 'exploit' Tibetans. 3)Chinese in central asia(some people even ignore how the word 'silk road' came to being and it's implication.)
I vividly remember many years ago a certain pro-dalai female exile who claimed Chinese built toys factories in Tibet, exploited child labours there and exported those toys to US to make a few $. Such propaganda basically hinged on ignorance related to Tibet; in this case simply transportation to and from Tibet is generally expensive; if Chinese wanted to export toys,why not build the factories in coastal area?
Normally I just lurk but I have something for the agitated Chinese commentors here:
The battle line is drawn. Their intention is now known. Your energy should be directed at the preparation for the coming conflict that will define the current century. If you want to say anything it shouldn’t be said to the opposition here and it certainly shouldn’t be in English. Discuss how to prevail or at least survive the coming conflict with your own kind. Raise awareness. Wake the people from slumber. Counter enemy propaganda at home. Being butthurt here achieves nothing. Actually do something to make a difference.
Reading comprehension, dude… it’s not just for big-character posters.
China and the Chinese have had dense populations on limited land and and resources for so long that a dog eat dog economic momentum developed. As per capital income increases the average Chinese should tend to eat beef, pork, and chicken instead of dog (That was a 1/2 joke …. ha!). My European ancestors were even more dog eat dog driven until their descendents achieved economic security. I expect we of the West should recognize this fact and up our business and political negotiation skills (We need to grow a pair), …. until the Chinese have become as economically complacent as we have become. Then we won’t have to be as whiny, easily emotionally triggered, and privilege expectant as many expats seem to be. Advice: Raise tough kids. Don’t give them money, make them work for it. Start them young, like at 5 years old making their own beds and feeding the cat. Make them do homework first thing when home from school. If affordable, send them to a good private school that doesn’t prioritize political correctness. Make them go to church, the synagogue, whatever weekly so they become habituated to boring but necessary mindless activities in life ..
while keeping it clear that the institutions religious leaders may have some crazy ideas. Promote playing musical instruments, esp. of classical music. Have wall paper with scientific symbols and formulas so that Math & Science is childhood on familiar and easier for them. Ask questions like “What do you think?” … and don’t correct their answer, unless it is totally crazy.
Have a good day!
Invention or innovation.
An art, a science, a spiritual handout.
Creation, never sleeps.
Creator shares its work, unconditionally.
Cosmic designs and universal laws.
A wild juicy orange, is yours for the taking.
Infinitely giving, only hoping that we might pay it forward.
The fact is, the average IQ of Chinese people is 105, while the average IQ of Americans is 98. Combined with the fact that the size of China’s population is 4 times that of America, that means the size of the smart fraction (population with IQ above 120) of China is more than 5 or 6 times greater than America’s. So compared to America, China is indeed a country of “superhuman” potential. No “superhumanizing” has taken place.
And people are oblivious (or pretend to be oblivious) of the fact that prior to the 17th century, China had been the world’s most advanced civilization for two or three millenias straight. The living stardard of imperial China had been generally higher than that of Europe of the same period. This is a well documented fact.
In fact, in my opinion the MSM of America is still underestimating modern China’s potential, not overestimating.
It might help if the American Chinese and Asians didn’t always vote democrat.
There is a Chinese Republican Party club in California, but they are for Taiwanese independence from China.
The rest of the Asian activists and voters are solidly in the liberal democrat party camp along with the blacks Jews Hispanics gays trannies feminazis enviro wackies and the rest of the lunatic liberals.
There was an anti affirmative action proposition 209 on the ballot in California 22 years ago. It passed. But Chinese and other Asians who voted voted in favor of affirmative action and against Prop 209.
There was another proposition denying welfare and other benefits to illegal aliens on the ballot. Chinese and other Asians voted against it.
Chinese and other Asians are part of the liberal coalition. They don’t worship blacks, gays , trannies, black criminals and the environment as liberal Whites do, but they vote for the democrats.
San Francisco is a liberal lunatic city. Chinese and other Asians are a substantial voting bloc and always have been. Yet despite all their conservative values they keep voting in the liberal lunatic Mayors and board of supervisors
And the Asians of San Francisco want it to be a sanctuary city because their restaurants and factories and stores employ lots and lots of illegal alien Chinese indentured servants.
American Asians also want to import their parents and grandparents so they can get SSI for the aged and parasite off the old age medical care, free bus passes, free food, free taxi service and other old age benefits Americans work 45 or 50 years for. But the Asian parasites get those benefits within a month of their arrival.
Face it Jason, American Asians are united with the liberal lunatics of the Democrat party despite the conservative values they practice in private. For instance, Nancy Pelosi’s district is known as West Chinatown. If the Asians in her district voted against her, she wouldn’t be in Congress.
Here, in the US, we just walk over them, no?
I know all that and more.
All my wood furniture except for solid alder custom made book cases is antiques real antiques mostly walnut, some mahogany and no oak or god forbid pine. Couches and chairs are Baker Henredon etc with waverly and to the trade only fabric.
Leather couches and chairs? Tacky tacky tacky tacky tacky
IKEA furniture is just garbage and worse than Chinese furniture
But non Chinese made household appliances are just not available Toys? Computers and TVs? Lawn mowers vacuum cleaners sewing machines, tools? Nails? 2/3 of the nails sold in America from China bend at the first stroke of the hammer The threading on faucets and pipes doesn’t work. What brands are not made in China?
Well made toys and tools are still
Made in Germany but you can’t find them in American stores.
Czechia is a phonetic abomination. Worst idea ever. If you need a nickname for the land that doesn’t include the word “republic”, it should be Bohemia.
To the extent I’ve seen people argue against Bohemia they usually say because the Czech Republic includes Moravia as well. But the medieval kingdom of Bohemia included Moravia, and also Silesia.
No, he could be prosecuted for hate speech in China or more specifically, “Han chauvinism.” Such actions promote separatism, which is the Party has pretty firm opinions about.
Eh. I don’t know about that.
Roman and Han dynasty was roughly comparable for their time period, and the only time that China could conclusively be considered as ahead was during the Tang and that was because Europe had just self-destructed into the Dark Age. Byzantium alone still saved some of the technology of Rome then, but it was too busy surviving to advance into anything.
And following the Renaissance, Europe pretty much overtook everything.
I fainted in the centre of London and the next thing woke up in an NHS ambulance – some passers by had phoned for help. My wallet was still in my pocket.
Every Chinese household has been promised a white houseboy by the year 2050. The bellwether Mrs. Derb already has one.
I read the article.
Hard to figure out what she wanted to say. At first the idea was Chinese women should have more children. Then she attacked the Chinese government propaganda that educated women should have babies before age 29.
Why read the NYSlimes anyway, especially the op ed pages? All editorial pages in America are just a lot of White hating ignorant pompous puritans pontificating about what other people should do.
The feminazi hags write editorials advising American women to postpone child bearing until 45 or 50 so they can have a wonderful career working 70 hours a week for 40 hours pay. And then pay for college when they are pushing 70. Idiots.
Look up the feminazi Hanna Rosen who writes for The Atlantic advising American women to postpone childbearing till 45 or 50. Total ignorance of human reproduction. Total ignorance of child raising
Just don’t read American magazines and newspapers. Every word is either a lie or the rantings of pompous ignorant puritans preaching about things of which they know nothing. Who is that feminazi witch to tell millions of Chinese women what to do?
What makes her think Chinese women will follow her advice, especially as her article is so confused.
Until the 90s, Asians voted solidly republican.
The shift is due to the general liberal success with college students in the American system, and to some extent, the general association with liberals with both IQ and new technology companies.
The practice of creating walled suburbs while preaching diversity is exceptionally white.One could even consider it evidence of successful assimilation. To liberal white values, at any rate.
Might be helpful to us ignorant foreigners if you’d do timelines in your comments about Chinese history. Are you referring to when the Mongol Khans ruled China 1200 to 1600 ?????
Which civil war??? China has had a lot of them, I always enjoy your posts.
Derbyshire,
wHY dont fukus try inviting some Nagas./Kashmiris to WH and tell their stories to the world, if the Indians dare to protest, ask them to ….
‘mind their own fucking business’ !
I wouldnt be surprised the murkkan embassy get burned down by an angry mob within a day.
Yet Thats exactly what fukus told China, about HMDL’s WH love fest.
‘Mind your own fucking business’
Those Chinese are such ‘cry babies’ !
hehehhehe
And you aint seen nuthin yet////
‘Chinese should get the fuck outta Tibet…’ !!
jesus christ almighty !
Coming from the most rapacious land grabbers in human history, this must be the ultimate in anglo hubris !
But India can keep its part of Tibet of course, AFSPA and all, it’s gifted by the anglos themselves, so its AOK !
hehehehehh
Sorry, didn’t mention the Song, which yes, all together does add to quite a lot of centuries. But part of it could be noted that Europe experienced a pretty hard fall after the Roman empire – even longevity dropped by a decade IIRC. But there does seems to be something that Europe maintained that Faustian spirit while the same spark for expansive inqusition/adventure did not really survive the An Lushan rebellion in China.
The “siege mentality” has been there for a long time. Justified in some ways? Probably, so much of history is learning how to deal with being attacked from north, east and south; building up community walls, then city walls, then country walls… *
But I don’t think its overall positive.
* Some of the Opium War English wrote to their surprise, that marketplaces in China had walls. That’s some dedication to walling up.
FUKUSI[ndia] and human rights are oxymoron.
To them its just a god damned game.
When Blair goes to Delhi to talk business,
nobody bludgeon him to raise the issue of the NE or Kashmir,
None, nada, zero, zilch
When Cameron visit Jakarta,
nobody goads him to mention the West Papuans,Acehnese, oppressed Chinese minorities,,,,,,….
When May pay homage to Washington,
no hue and cry for her to ‘stand up to the evil empire’
But When any Brit politico goes to Beijing ,
The guardian, everybody…have a field day,
‘Why no mention of Tibet, Liu Xiao Bo,….she’s kowtowing to the Chinese’ !
…….
Its always China. !
See,
UK = cradle of human rights, [ahem]
US = world’s oldest democracy [cough cough]
INHDIA = world’s largest democracy [;-)]
But this triumvirate of virtuousness seem to hold the evil Chinese to a higher standard than themselves, !
Talk about having their cake and eat it too ,
heehhehe
I’m talking about China and the global culture wars, not Chinese Americans.
But to address your point: Of course they do. Minorities lean left everywhere. You’re describing the symptom, I’m describing the root cause, which is liberal democracy. Meaning that if you wanted a white country without foreigners taking advantage it, you’d have to end the idea of liberal democracy itself. China and Russia and quite a few others can help you with that.
There’s also a silver lining in America’s current situation. As you say, minorities are usually more conservative and motivated by self-interest, not actual belief in egalitarian bullshit. This means a minority takeover of key positions in the Democratic party would make America a more tribal, but less ideologically liberal place. That’s a win for the international right. In some sense, it might even be a win for white Americans.
Dammit, General Sun Tzu, whose side are you on? You had to alert them not to blab about their plans on Unz.com right in front of all us American lurkers! Nice goin’, chief – don’t look for any more Renmenbi direct deposits into your Construction Bank account.
(Well, back to the drawing board – I’m sure the Deep State’ll thinka sumthin’.)
LOL
I read Jewish publications all the time They are always writing about how much Jewish and Chinese are similar. They praise Chinese woman Jewish man marriages as much as they praised Jewish communist woman black man marriages 60 years ago. They constantly write about the Persian Jewish trader colony in China that existed for centuries
The Jews are looking to make their next historic jump and China is their target.
It will be interesting. If the Jews manage to conquer China as they conquered Russia and America it will be proof that the God of Israel does exist and that Jews are his chosen.
Senator Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum was investing in the PRC as early as 1973. He’s made billions from those investments.
No.
kid,
We are talking about India merely cuz its a perfect foil to highlight anglo hypocrisy./perfidy,
this is not a mud slinging fest,
So I dont see whats your point ?
But if you’r interested,
Here’r some ref, defintely more authoritative than youtube videos, [sic]
if you see what I mean,
hhhhhhh
https://theconversation.com/delhi-should-follow-beijings-example-in-tackling-air-pollution-89378
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/india/articles/delhi-most-polluted-city-in-the-world/
He’s talking about the An Lushan rebellion, far before Mongolia – this was when China was conquering the world. He intentionally misses that in many ways, it was also the most glorious age of Chinese history and arguably the closest that Eastern civilization could have gained a worldwide footing as Western civilization has.
The Chinese do not really fight offensive wars that well – like the Romans, the Chinese are really don’t have a horse-riding tradition. The addition of Turkic values and horsemen made for incredibly powerful armies, and a generally more “masculine” and “heroic”/”barbaric” ethos than what China is typically known for.
But it led to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion
But yes, note the cosmopolitan Tang dynasty and the vast numbers of portrayals of non-Chinese people in China, as well as the diversity ideology which was present in China at the time. And the backstab of the Turkic people had pretty terrible consequences on the Chinese psyche from that point on.
Fantastic comment.
He was talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion
That’s true. Even the younger generation of Vietnamese are Democrats now. But the San Francisco Chinese vote for Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the lunatics. That elected sheriff who proudly let the killer of Kate Steinle out of city jail despite an ICE hold is Asian . Mayor Ed Lee and the Chinese elected supervisors are also lunatic liberals
My point is that San Francisco is the only major city that has enough Chinese American citizens eligible to vote that could really reverse the lunacy of the city if they didn’t keep electing the likes of Nancy Pelosi, gay activists and the Asian sheriff who proudly let the killer of Kate Steinle out of city jail.
Yes, the enduring ages from this point on will surely be defined by fierce keyboard warriors.
Unfortunately, I think some people truly believe this.
I don’t have any illusion or foolish emotional need to feel validated by racial aliens. I’m doing my bit to help my own kind by telling them about the reality. What I want to know is if we will face a renewed and extremely hostile West, a new Eurabian Caliphate, or something even worse. A galactic reich, a global caliphate, or Tikkun Olam are all shitty to me.
Not skepticism corvinus but a profound optimism.
The two philosophical poles are – the world is composed of substance or it is a “process” without substance.
Wars are fought because we think the world is composed of “things” that we must posses. That’s the Western view and it’s why the history of the West is extraordinarily violent.
The old Chinese view is that the world is process devoid of substance, so what is there to posses? It led to a much more peaceful history.
In the West, the idea that the world is devoid of substance has been seen as nihilism, but it can just as easily be seen as a joyful liberation from the fetters of “being” and an embrace of flux, as it has been on the old East.
I look at the world and see its evil and wish to “eradicate” it, as if it were a “thing”. I am trying to reach a permanent unchanging state, a utopia – utopian thinking is behind all the violence of the West. A state of eternal substance.
A world of “things” (eternal substances), is a terribly important world where everything “matters” terribly much. We must fight over such a world with all our might, we must fight against all those who disagree with us, and all our efforts must be directed to control the “things” that compose the world according to our vision of the “good”.
By trying to reach a world of unchanging “good” I join the great fight over the world and become part of the unending conflict.
When I say that our problems are intractable and humans destined for extinction I do not mean that any “thing” will go out of existence – since I see humans as process and not substance, I merely mean that a particular process will blend into other processes. Nothing will have been lost, because no “thing” existed in the first place.
The world is endless flux.
The “fluidity” of Chinese thinking comes from the old Chinese idea that the world isn’t composed of eternal substances so there is no attempt to reach a final utopian state, so there is less fanaticism and bloodshed.
It is also the fluidity of Jewish thinking, which I know well. You will often find in Jewish culture contradictory and multiple ideas expressed on the same topic with no attempt to reconcile them. Truth is “situatonal” and provisional and there is no concept of an underlying “thing”.
This trains the Jewish mind in extraordinary flexibility and dexterity because it does not make a fetish of the “truth, and it gives them a peculiar freedom whites do not posses and even allows them to run rings around more intelligent whites.
Whites are forever defending some eternal “thing” which commits them to certain strategies they cannot deviate from.
Making a fetish of the “truth” goes hand in hand with seeing the world as ultimately composed of eternal substances, a view the West got from Plato.
When I say humans are incurably evil and not “good” I mean there is no ultimate unchanging state humans are destined for.
Is this nihilism? Nihilism is the belief that we must be resued from eternal flux and find a permanent unchanging home, a Platonic idea.
Nihilism only makes sense in a Western context – acceptance of flux as final renders the word meaningless.
Both Jews and Asians do not take the world seriously because they do not look for permanence within it.
The curious melancholy and oppressive sense of “unfreedom” that has characterized the West for many centuries now comes from seeking an underlying “thing” they can hold onto in what is a process of flux. It is utopian thinking.
We must liberate ourselves from “morality” if we are to live well just as we must liberate ourselves from “evil”.
The problem with modern Jewish and Asian culture is that it is now in a state of half-liberation, and has come to take some things very seriously.
The old Chinese culture was conducive to human well being but proved fragile. How impressive would Chinese culture seem to us if it had weathered the storm of its encounter with the West with a gigantic shrug, a temporary and provisional and flexible adaptation that vanished the moment the threat receded.
However, signs are that China has been transformed by the West.
But the West is not an eternal unchanging substance but merely a process that will eventually play itself out, and the current China is also just a process that must ultimately play itself out.
And all of humanity with its wars and strife is just a process that will play itself out and merge into the great process of the world which will give rise to new and strange processes beyond humanity. But nothing will have been lost, and humans will in some sense still be around, because they never existed (as eternal substances) in the first place.
Humans are just an episode in a story of endless flux and not the site of any special value.
This vision of the world has no political value because it can never be accepted permanently by humanity – it itself is liable to flux. It is not a utopian project that if we could just learn to think this way humanity would be saved and we can usher in the millenium. The Chinese had it, then lost it.
It is merely one possibility that will constantly appear and disappear as the flux goes it’s way. At best it can provide personal liberation to individuals for a time.
Buddhism will not save humanity because a process is in no need of saving. Individuals can find joyful liberation for a time by submitting to the flux and giving up their quest for a permanent utopian home.
I do not exorct you corvinus to understand a single word I have written or give anything remotely resembling an intelligent reply.
But your response is just another episode in a timeless flux and nothing hinges on it.
He’s not wrong, though. India also has worse civic ethic in terms of pollution. In that sense that Chinese culture can be low-trust and have issues with commons with rural migrants spitting on the floor and defecating behind trash bins, India is worse because even a significant population of presumably educated city dwellers defecate under tunnels or deposit trash in piles on the ground.
The problems are both on an individual as well as a government level. The government needs to encourage better behavior and the individuals also need to see why personal behavior can be improved.
What China was fortunate in, was that the government found some virtues that were generally available to leverage on: so while cleanliness itself was not a highly valued trait, collectively volunteering to do something is – thus why volunteer sanitation groups exist and do a pretty good job, on top of paid workers. India has just managed to have the worst of both individualism and collectivism. Its strange.
In some ways they do – in Australia, they voted against gay marriage(unsuccessfully) and they’ve helped block some of Canadian liberal lunacy in Vancouver. Part of it selectional: as a general, rule, Chinese are not interested in politics. The ones that will be in politics are generally specific outreach candidates found by Democrats.
You sure it isn’t because Jewish clergy just really enjoyed endless legalistic debates with each other like what we’re doing now? Life can get pretty boring in the Jewish quarters, I’m sure.
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/features/why-doctors-can-heal-on-shabbat-1.65237
Just pointing out that “prosperity” these days, often comes at an environmental cost.
Grabbed an informative video produced by an Indian, and next thing I know someone’s fragile feelings are fractured, or what?
I know the human ego is soft, but seriously, not that soft.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_polluted_cities_by_particulate_matter_concentration
I think a lot of the dysfunctionality of India has to do with an age old attitude of “not caring” abut the physical world. Indians are famously “metaphysical”, while Chinese (and Germanics) are famously practical.
I think we’re falling into the trap of thinking other cultures share our values but just can’t “do it as well as us”.
It may seem strange to us, but having a clean and functional environment may not be a universal human priority, although it may be a universal human value.
In a modern industrial environment, the Indian chaos may be extreme, but I think it may have approximated a vivid and colorful paradise in a pre-industrial era.
Kipling said he wanted to live in Bombay more than any other place in the world it fascinated him so much – I can’t imagine anyone saying that about any Indian city today.
When I’m in India there is so much color and beauty amid the chaos snd grime that I often imagine how amazing it must have been before industrialism.
Still, though, it would be good if Indians learned to compromise a bit more with the modern world and show some flexibility in adapting to its conditions. The grime and cheating really dues get to you after a while.
There’s plenty of examples of Indian issues, so no need for me to post it. The converse of Chinese insanity when trying to “fix things”, though:
This wasteful investment for aesthetically pleasing toilets was not necessary.
Our gentle host Mr. Unz is too modest to mention his own highly pertinent articles on genetic factors in China’s development:
How Social Darwinism Made Modern China
and
China: Chinese Eugenics?
On industrialisation scale.,
If China = 100
India = 30 ?
Yet India already outperform China in pollution !
What happens if Modi’s Made In India dream succeeds and all those toxic industries that the west outsource to China relocate to India ?
Be careful what you wish for, Modi old chap !
heheheh
Their narrative against China is changing from “the international community must guard against China’s dictatorial government” to “the civilized world must stop the Chinese” – this is a sign they are preparing for war. To mock vigilance against aliens is to commit a crime against your own kind.
Did someone die and make John Derb. King of the West?
If so, then the coronation festivities suck.
The paleface fellow has spread much mischief around the world.
What have others of his kind done about the resulting slaughter?
Something along the lines of “…will just walk around you”?
Alden, you need to worry about the Roman Catholic Church. China just told the Vatican that they will appoint bishops to the “RCC” in China. This means China has taken over the Chinese “RCC” and their churches are no longer a part of the Roman RCC. This is a very good thing. Blacks/Asians are destroying the Caucasian/European RCC. This schism is very good. In Nigeria, cuck pope Frannie had to remove a bishop because he didn’t belong to the right tribe of his diocese. Excellent, this means the Nigerian “RCC” is now in schism. And this means we should only have Caucasian/European priests in the West. China will take care of the Jews. We need to take care of the black/Asians in the West.
The double standard and hypocrisy of some chinese is unbelievable, and you are making your people look bad. If China shouldn’t leave Tibet and Xinjjiang, then the British should recolonize India at a minimum.
China has many things wrong with it because of the Chinese people. http://takimag.com/article/the_future_of_chinese_is_english_mark_derian#axzz55sMcYGyn
The Chinese are less intelligent than the Japanese. They will never be as successful as the Japanese.
This is a broken parallel. The people of Tibet and Xinjiang are full citizens who can join the government, have representation in the National People’s Congress, get affirmative action benefitting them and essentially were encouraged to increase their percentage of the population given that the one-child policy did not apply to them.
They are not oppressed natives. Heck, in many ways, they are not even natives of the land.
Ha! For slit-eyed godless-savages, they with some real batshit crazy spiritualities, with no real understanding of their cursed existence here, except the unrelenting pursuit of money… the idea of a strong “unrelenting faith” in an unseen infinite Creator should be quite incomprehensible.
If our “unrelenting” conviction in His singular existence seems batshit crazy to the likes of you, then can you convince yourself that you too were never created, and simply do not exist? Given the various oriental delusions, I am sure that will not be too hard.
So much for the putative “high IQ” east asian minds. Hint: if one thinks burning fake currency has any spiritual value, then mush is what said east asian “high IQ” idiot has up there.
Possibly, but there is also a more pedestrian explanation that historically, India relied on a caste to do the cleaning. Although the complexities elude me, my understanding is that modernity has emancipated those individuals but has not provided sufficient solutions to replace the labor they once did.
Lol yes, they certainly enjoyed endless legalistic debates, but that implies there is no “final” position to be reached – it’s a joy in process.
There is also a famous passage where the rabbis are wrangling over some issue and God himself decrees who is right, which the rabbis reject, preferring the process of wrangling.
When I pointed out to my Jewish friends what I don’t like about Judaism, they insisted any number of diametrically opposing opinions could be found. They even suggested I become a great rabbi myself and issue my own interpretations and opinions.
The emphasis is on fluidity and process.
I may seem to be defending Judaism here, but I’m not – I’m merely pointing ways in which Judaism approximates Keats “negative capability” – and how that gives them a freedom and flexibility that is both an advantage over those who seek permanence and stability and a kind of spiritual freedom.
In the end, there is one permanent “thing” in the Jewish world that is worshipped – the Jewish ethnicity itself. And so the measure of freedom gained is illusory, and much suffering is reintroduced.
But that doesn’t mean whites can’t learn a lesson here.
True freedom from the search for “thinghood” is not a feature of Jewish culture, but of the grand old Chinese culture. I love paradox, Daniel, perhaps because binary thinking is really a search for stability and permanence – and paradoxically, may not the unethical fluidity of contemporary Chinese business practice be an echo of the metaphysical idea of process over substance?
If so, then this corruption may contain in embryo a spiritual rebirth. Paradoxical, but perhaps.
To be clear, I favor stability and “settledness” – tradition, stable careers, etc – in the social realm because they permit spiritual freedom.
What I wonder, though, if the “fluidity” of Asian and Jewish behavior today reflects a a translation into the material realm of metaphysical ideas, just as materialism – the faith of white people – is a translation into the material realm of the Platonic idea of unchanging substances.
If so, then it would seem cultures don’t truly change their metaphysics – they merely translate them into different realms. Which would mean China is far less transformed than we think, and we are seeing Buddhism and Taoism made physical, so to speak.
As the old American saying goes, “you may go tell that to the Marines, sir, but the Midshipmen will never believe it.”
It’s not necessary for the midshipmen or the marines to believe it. As I said, it’s not a political programme or a scheme of salvation for mankind.
It is merely a view that has reccurred throughout history, and will again – it is not a view humanity is “evolving” toward or the ultimate social principle that will end war. It is always available to the individual who sees history as having no goal and who finds pleasure in the moment.
The “tsunami” video is funny. Everyone in the video is talking about the tide. Nobody in the video is talking about harbors.
Tsunami is definitely a better name than tidal wave. Definitely. Glad our betters fixed that for us.
they don’t have to be more intelligent than the japanese. They just have to be more intelligent than you.
Follow the money and sponsors behind the 1965 Immigration Act and you will have your answer. We were lied to by traitors who were/are the take, they told the public that there would be no demographic change, it is the frog in the frying pan, raise the temperature little by little. Hmmmm, only in formerly white, European countries is this happening, not Japan. So weird, and difficult to figure out, ha, did we win or lose WW2?
“What’s wrong with us?”
It is a natural consequence of North American culture that deifies greed and encourages everyone to think that they are kings and queens to the exclusion of others. No amount of white exceptionalism and racism, so rampant on the comments sections here, can cure the loss of whiteness in North America unless the underlying cause above is rectified…
You’ll be lucky to find any Whites in Australia in 50-100 years going by the demographics changes here the last 20 years.
If it wasn’t necessary, from your point of view, for people to believe it, you wouldn’t have said it.
To allege, as you have done, that levels of violence (state-sponsored or otherwise) in the West have been uniquely elevated in comparison with China or any other culture around the world and across time, is either worryingly naive or merely mendacious, replacing an extraordinarily complicated, ever-changing equation with a simplistic philosophical just-so story. Moreover, you’re undercutting/contradicting your previous assertion that “it’s obvious that Chinese society is in a constant state of low level warfare where aggression gets chanelled into business rather than bloodshed.” The conclusion one might arrive at is that reports of extraordinarily violent Westerners are not only greatly exaggerated but ultimately only the sugarcoating of yet another poison-pill intended to induce self-flagellation.
Bohemia-Moravia still sounds at least as good as Bosnia-Herzegovina.
And don’t forget Trinidad and Tobago. And St Pierre and Miquelon. And Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.
https://www.sporcle.com/games/the_geekery/countries-with-and
Not at all. Partly I’m working out these ideas for myself, and partly I’m offering them to anyone who isn’t satisfied with current ideas. But I’m under no illusion that these ideas can ever be popular – at least not for the time being, and not among westerners.
As for violence and China, it’s a fact. But the Chinese certainly had lots of aggression and competitive energies that went into business rather than warfare.
If it makes you feel better, the West had a lock down on violence, and the Chinese on trickery and deceit.
Those are the flaws each system tended to generate – of course, lots of trickery in the West, and lots of violence among the Chinese. Just broadly speaking.
It’s obvious that my ideas don’t appeal to you, and that’s fine. You gotta figure out things for yourselves. It’s a big wotld, and my ideas are just one way of looking at things.
Oh, and there is such a thing as constructive criticism – I was even above saying the west has to develop a tradition of deceit and double think in order to survive in today’s world.
The fetishism of truth and words in a world that is ultimately mysterious isn’t adaptive.
I even favor what you’re doing – creating a new myth whereby the west is uniquely altruistic etc.
Sun Tzu ultimately had moral aims, you know.
But really, my point isn’t political at all.
kid,
There’r tons of ‘informative [sic] vidoes’ produced by Indians saying,…
How China has been menacing India,
when India was the aggressor.
How China ‘oppressed Tibetans’,
When Tibetans/Kashmiris in India are gunned down in broad daylight, their women raped to death.
How China’s pollution sucks,
when India’s polluted cities hog the top twenties chart ,
but unlike Beijing, Delhi is doing zilch about it.
classic
ROBBER CRYING ROBBERY
no wonder Indians/anglos keep saying they’ve many ‘shared values’
hehehhe\\
I generally agree with you. However, you seem to consider the periods in which Europe “self-destructed into dark age” and “experienced hardfall” to be exceptions. I on the other hand, include them in the 2 or 3 millenias in which China was ahead, just like I don’t consider the periods in which China sank into chaos to be exceptions either.
I agree with you that during the Tang and Song, China was substantially ahead of Europe. However, I would argue that even during the Yuan and Ming dynasties, China was still significantly ahead of Europe. It was Yuan Dynasty China that Marco Polo was amazed by. During the early Qing Dynasty, it was well documented that China’s GDP still accounted for at least 30% of global GDP at that time. I haven’t found conclusive evidence for the comparison between Han Dynasty and Roman Empire, probably because it’s too many years ago, but if I find something later I will share it with you.
Well, its notable that unless Europe self-destructs, China never really pulled ahead technologically in a substantial way. For example, one could say that during the Tang, China was using coins and Europe was using a barter economy, but that misses the fact that the Romans had an extensive and beautiful coinage system.
Same goes for steel – China had the first blast furnace and far more widespread cast iron and steel, but Rome still developed higher quality steel in smaller quantities. After the collapse of Rome, most of that knowledge and craftmanship was gone, not to mention the infrastructure.
And yet despite wealth, steel tools and chemical fuel, the Chinese still didn’t build stone buildings for the most part. Indeed, in spite of inventing the stirrup, heavy cavalry didn’t really exist in China.
If it’s any consolation, you’re not the only person in this world, suffering.
Most people suffer, sooner or later.
Some are just more stoic about it, than others.
source: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
No “truly diabolical government” ever existed in China! Really? Wasn’t the government of the first emperor about as diabolical as is imaginable in a civilised country? It ended pretty quickly when his younger son grabbed the inheritance by murdering his older brother and then creating the circumstances in which the Han dynasty began and lasted several hundred years…..).
I don’t know how some people still don’t know that Crimea held a referendum and 90% voted to RETURN to Russia. As usual, the neocons shot themselves in the foot. By installing a rabidly Russia-hating regime in Ukraine, neocons caused the referendum. It just so happens that the great majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russian, so Ukrainian plans to remove Russian as an official language was certifiably stupid. The neocons and others can howl into the wind forever, but Crimea is not going back to Ukraine. The neocons destroyed Ukraine’s economy (50% drop in GDP!) and encouraged violence by neo-Nazis. Crimea is way too good for economically and psychically (pure juvenile hatred) ruined Ukraine.
Of course, you would not know any of this from the MSM. I have read articles from journalists around the world, who visited Crimea as sceptics, but all agreed that yes, 90% really did choose Russia.
Deep State/MSM likes keeping us ignorant.
That is fascinating because it makes it very difficult to see who was meant to be stirred up by such trolling nonsense.
Watching a lot of banker funded commie media? This king and queen belief and deifying greed is far far more common in the darkie third world than amongst Anglos.
Sez me, a brown man in a brown land.
I think, the famous Indian metaphysics was just an excuse philosophy to act lazy towards the commons by the population and an ideology used by the greedy jewish like elites (I am one of them unfortunately) to keep the lower caste (whose behavior is a combination of gypsies and blacks ) populations enslaved.
Fat pundits outside temples preachin the futility of the material world & the futility of earthly desires to the sheepie masses and after the sermon, going down to the temple vaults to drool at the huge temple gold/ jewelry stock and later in the day drooling at the naked under-aged lower caste devdasi women temple sex slaves in his private room.
Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Interesting if you were to elaborate. Still I am prompted to take an interest in how the subcontinent took over a naturally China based tea exporting business. Mind you there are plenty of interesting stories of that kind like merino wool in Australia and rubber outside Brazil. The details of opium production, trading snd use would be interesting but I don’t expect to get round to reading big books on it.
Oh, I know.
Most of Tibet wants to be part of China too – I mean, going back means going to slavery under monks in a brutal theocracy that included at the mildest, beatings and rape. Neutral polls done by NGOs have shown the same. But of course, this doesn’t matter to people looking to make a narrative.
“The Chinese are less intelligent than the Japanese. They will never be as successful as the Japanese.”
Never as successful as the Japanese? Do you know that in the long view of history Japan HAS ALWAYS been a nobody to China? Japan only pull ahead of China when they industrialized in the 19th century and current trend suggest that this period of Japan ahead of China will be an aberration.
Probably a part of it. Same thing happened among Christians.
Priesthoods are notorious for attracting greedy frauds.
But it’s not the whole story.
One Word: British Raj.
And much of Rome’s greatness was built by men looking build their own fame by what was effectively large-scale looting and slave raiding – yet they built an empire, laid out huge stretches of construction, and brought about much of what is Europe as we know it through a common language.
A lot of development and value can be brought about by much less noble desires.
Oh please, China has far far better farmlands and in a pre industrial era, that is what mattered the most. If you had Japanese people living on the fertile flat lands of China and Chinese people living in volcanic mountainous Japan, the Japanese would have been the center of East Asia.
Before the Industrial revolution: location, location, location.
After industrial revolution: people, people, people.
It has always been the people. Before the industrial revolution : people, people, people. After industrial revolution : people, people, people.
Have you even noticed that Indian produced video which claim
‘China far behind India in pollution control’
is contradicted by my links and your own wiki citation ?
hehehhe
Hua is a Chinese given name, a girl’s name. In English she would be Harmony.
If the Japanese people lived in China, they would have likely become Chinese.
Ignoring the fact that Japan has almost no indigenous aspects of their culture(Shinto being the major exception), the differences in Japan and China are because due to the mountainous and easily defended nature of the terrain, local fiefdoms were easy to develop and centralized control was difficult. On the other hand, China’s terrain meant that mass and scale mattered far more under central control – note the frequency of employing levies rather than professional soldiers, let alone any military elite.
All Empires and civilizations start by some form of looting and slave raiding.
A significant part if you ask me. Hinduism is basically Brahmin rule over non-brahmins, the whole religion is structured around this primary principle/objective.
Nope. People might have played some part but not as much as land. I mean, if we would have Papua New Guineans in fertile China, we would have not got much civilization there anyways, I agree on that.
But before the Industrial revolution, land productivity played a much bigger part. After the Industrial revolution, the productivity of people played a bigger part.
Why do you think all civilizations conveniently started near fertile river valleys (Nile, Euphrates, Indus etc..) with reasonable climates. Land mattered then.
Anyways unlike Egypt and Iraq, China has good quality people as well as good quality land.
What I had meant that if there were no Chinese people in the land of China and only Japanese people. How would they have become Chinese?
Japanese culture might have borrowed a lot from Chinese culture but is very very distinct. China borrowed a lot from India but so what? Chinese culture is very different from Indian culture and in my opinion aesthetically much more pleasing, though Indian culture is beautiful too.
Chinese monks repeatedly came to India to find texts on Buddhist and Indian philosophy but no Indian scholar would even imagine going to China to learn philosophy. But this is just tip of iceberg.
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That might be more to do with the fact that the Chinese are not blackie brownie. Western media cares more if blackie brownie suffer from earthquakes and tornadoes. Like Haiti for example. You have Haiti special songs for the victims there but not for Japanese of Chinese victims of earthquakes. High IQ ‘posh looking’ races like Whites and East Asians do not matter in the libtard world.
However while the dumb SJW low level leftard gives his or her hard earned money to buy a CD so that the money goes to Haitian victims of natural disasters, the leftard elites on the other hand go and loot Haiti. Take the HildaBeast (Hillary) for example. It also seems George Soros sources Haitian children for nefarious Satanic rituals.
With that kind of elite attention, the Chinese and Japanese should consider themselves lucky that they do not get much Western Zio banker run libtard media attention.
They have no memory of it as least from my experience. They made the N Z Government apologise for restrictions on Chinese immigration in the nineteenth century. To say anything about the hypocrisy is hate speech.
Ya ya denk I get it, but you see, we non Han barbarian devils understand pictures better than your intelligent words. We devils have child minds unlike more developed Han mind.
People’s republic of China
Anglo World
India
There! Denk’s message to Unzers in a few pictures. All he has been posting on Unz for years can be summed up in this one post. Anyone can see that Anglos and Indians are pirate dacoit brothers in arms unlike the peaceful, civilized Middle Kingdom PRC, denk is right.
hehehehe
I’m sorry, this is simply not true.
Please refer to Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Excerpts:
List of Chinese inventions in addition to the Four Great Inventions (no evidence of being invented before anywhere else in the world):
Paper currency
Alcoholic beverage
Artillery
Cannon
Cast coinage
Biological pest control
Flamethrower
Explosives
Bell
Deepwater drilling
Jadeworking
Multiple rocket launcher
Nail polish
Natural gas as fuel
Petroleum as fuel
Oil well
Parachute
Umbrella
Wheelchair
The list goes on and on. There are just too many to name.
Any single one invention from the above list refutes the claim that China was never ahead of Europe technologically. In fact, China had been ahead of Europe technologically for most of its existence.
And it cannot be explained by the “self-destruction” of Europe, because the sheer scale and magnitude of the advantage China enjoyed over Europe was simply too great, as exemplified by the list.
Tibet deserving to be independent or not aside, the fact is, if China would not have taken Tibet, India would have definitely attempted taking Tibet or at least tried to make it into a Bhutan like slave nation. Tibet being part of People’s Republic of China is a 1000 times better than Tibet being part of India (like Arunachal Pradesh/South Tibet) or being a Bhutan like controlled nation.
I have met many Sikkimese (native Bhutia/Lepcha and even some Hindu Nepalese Sikkimese) who have told me that joining India was a big mistake and if given the choice between India or China, most would have preferred being part of China. Though ideally, most of them wanted their King back and being an independent kingdom.
The Soviet holocaust was indeed terrible but it wasn’t a black mark against Western civilization. The ultra left have despised it root and branch and worshipped power and every form of lunacy. It’s the sick pretensions of the left that have been invalidated.
And who were and are the left?
Excellent comment.
The “self-destruction” of Europe as you mentioned is integral part of European history, just like An Lushan Rebellion, Taiping Rebellion and the Cultural Revolution are integral parts of Chinese history.
You cannot take the dark parts of European history (such as the self-destruction, dark ages and religious wars) out and say that’s not European history, only the shiny parts are European history, just like you cannot take the dark parts of Chinese history out and say that’s not Chinese history, only the shiny parts are Chinese history.
Furthermore, there is plenty of “self-destruction” in Chinese history too. The most recent one arguably is the Cultural Revolution and Maoist policies in general. I could follow your logic and exclude these Chinese self-destructions and say Europe and America could never have dominated the world unless China self-destructs. But I wouldn’t say that, because like I said “self-destructions” are integral parts of history and cannot be isolated or excluded.
They say “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”. Any commentary on China, unless it is 200% positive, always gets met with a barrage of “browbeating”, in an attempt to intimidate with stern and abusive language those naïve enough to upset the Dragon.
But its just a deception, the Chinese panda bear doesn’t rule over this planet, so criticize China as much as you like people.
>>Chinese monks repeatedly came to India to find texts on Buddhist and Indian philosophy but no Indian scholar would even imagine going to China to learn philosophy. But this is just tip of iceberg.<<
Congrat !! Yes, the Chinese monkey god actually is a version of Hanuman.
Hindu socialist/communists repeatedly came to China to find texts on revolution and Chinese social change but no modern chinese engineers would even imagine going to bharat to buy cell phone parts. Your iceberg has sunk.
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As I said before(probably not at this blog), things change fast in the modern world, 3rd worlders should stop taking perceived ancient 'achievement' as mental opioid. Luckily Chinese have less problem in that regard for the simple reason china hasn't been doing badly in the past few decades.
It certainly may be a case of propaganda pushers and their counterfeit data.
Bottom line is, humanity has fucked this world up, big time.
Now it’s our job, to fix it.
Have a beautiful day.
The slaving part is true, and there is an interesting book by James Scott that discusses this (Against the Grain).
The only problem is that the number one source of the slave trade was consistently the “barbarian” tribes that surrounded the civilizations. The “barbarians” took their fellow barbarians (or people from other “civilizations”) captive and sold them to the civilized, just as Africans took other Africans captive and sold them to Muslims and, later, Europeans.
The non-civilized did much more of the grab-and-run looting as civilizations were more into conquest (followed by looting). Conquest being most often beyond their skill set (Rome had rotted internally before the barbarians could conquer it).
Scott has some interesting talks on Youtube.
As opposed to the peaceful wild animals?
The only thing exceptional about humans is their success (a product of social abilities). Do you think you could find an animal that would behave differently if it had the necessary skills?
But did the people spring up out of the land or was the best land taken by the people most competent to occupy and exploit it?
Ancient invention mean nothing if the momentum can’t be maintained. I always consider Euclid’s
‘Elements’ the most influential book ever written(every hi-school student on Earth must learn a simplified version of it),yet Greece, though classified as a developed nation,is hardly a science/tech power.
Unfortunately many 3rd worlders just take those ancient invention as mental opioid.
Actually there’s an important omission on that list. Chinese Taoist invented the binary number system; so what? digital computer wasn’t a Chinese invention. The Chinese army doesn’t use black gun powder.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdaEHgptltTlN84YJpIhPh9TmH3uotLzsZtn4Kdoni-iaKjOTY
Woaw Lin. You got me wrong. All I was sayin was that Japanese culture is very distinct from that of China even if China influenced Japan in the past.
There was no way Indians would ever accept full fledged Communism. Too restrictive for freedom loving Indians. Even Mr. Roy, an Indian communist accepted that and told the Soviets to fund the Nationalists against the British. One of the aims of the Soviet Union (and their banker bosses) was to destroy the British Empire. ironically the Brits supported the Soviets against the Third Reich. It committed suicide.
I agree with you on that. Hinduvadis are very prone to this non sense as they suffer from a combination of superiority and inferiority complex feelings w.r.t to White people and even East Asians.
Even Islam shows these tendencies w.r.t the West and we already have the very good example of Afrocentrism. I personally love many aspects of my Indian culture but I am a bigger fan of the Chinese civilization in terms of arts, architecture, aesthetics, philosophy etc… But when it comes to sense of aesthetics, mannerisms etc…, I am totally much more into Japan.
I do not see how it were always the best people who were most competent to occupy. In some cases, yes, like in the case of China, where we had a high IQ cold climate population getting access to prime quality farmlands. In those days ‘competent’ meant who won wars and took over the land. The earliest people who got the good land were lucky and congratulated each other. But from now onward, they would be the target of every barbarian population living on much harsher lands. But barbarian conquerors with time civilized with time, introduced elements of their own culture into the old to create a new mix and got absorbed into the original population. Many of those Barbarians were high IQ too.
After all, the earliest civilised peoples were themselves barbarians once.
One, of many wild animals that would continue to live in harmony, with the earth.
The vast masses of humans are not that different from animals. Most run after food (money), status and sex anyways. Humans are a type of animal, it is just that we can express out our animalistic behvaiour in many more ways.
You can tell that to the ancient people who actually enjoyed and benefitted from these inventions, I can assure you they would tell you that these inventions mean everything to them. Not to mention modern people who still enjoy and benefit from these inventions. They mean everything.
Pure theoretical ideas on the other hand, can be beneficial, or detrimental, depending on what the theory or idea actually is. Communism for example, is a very bad theory or idea that has caused tens of millions of innocent deaths and immense suffering around the world.
Thanks for the info. I will have a look at Prof. James Scott’s work. Sound’s interesting
Conquests by ‘barbarians’ is not uncommon. Celtic conquests of lands in Turkey, Germanic conquest of the Roman Empire (Later the Germanics themselves set up civilised kingdoms something which Belisarius realised in his campaigns against the Ostrogoths), Turkish conquest of Anatolia/Byzantium, Mongol/Manchu conquest of China, Arab conquest of Baghdad, Syria and Persia etc…
In most of the cases, a northern barbarian group conquers a southern civilised people, you must realise that the northern group would adopt concepts of the civilised group and become civilised very fast. They would also introduce cultural concepts of their own into the cultural mix. They would get access to more women to spread their genes but with time would get absorbed into the more numerous settled agricultural population.
What is also interesting that Rome, Byzantium, China fell to populations from the North and not the South.
Anyways this is a brilliant video. Most humans have always been enslaved. ALWAYS. Elites always rule majorities. Humans are not much different from farm animals. All Empires, all kingdoms, all nations are and have always been human farms (and probably always will be). Elites use ideologies (religion, communism, democracy, historical myths, religious mythology etc..) as well as bread and circuses (celebrities, entertainment. heroes, sports etc…) to keep the farm animals busy, distracted and enthusiastic for their own slave farm and life in it.
Human Farming – Our Enslavement
Of course, this is probably a better example.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetacea
you need to attack obvious stupid points. not just defend. your comment was like justification. that insinuated wrong doing. that is the english language.
don’t just defend, attack the retarded points. humiliation is in order when people spout non sense. especially for ones who have a microphone in a public capacity.
Wow !
A pic is worth a thousand words,
If China = scholar then FUKUSI[ndia] = bandits,
Scholar vs bandits, the result is predictable,
Another fukusi regime change going on in Maldives to oust prez Yemenn,
whose crimes are…..you guess it, getting cozy with Beijing !
hehehhehe
It is not as simple as that. For some reason, the West is scared of India, Just recently Canadian PM Justin Trudeau (a lefty whose dad opened the floodgates) was snubbed by the Indian government because it is believed that there are Sikh separatists in his cabinet. You see when British India was divided in between Hindus and Muslims, the Sikhs wanted out too with their own nation Khalistan. But Hindu dominated freedom fighting Indian National Congress fought it out with the British Indian government and threatened mass action and strikes if Sikhs were given their own land.
later on Sikhs did fight a separatist war with India in the Punjab state and many Sikhs in Canada supported this movement. Canada has a huge Sikh population.
Recently because there are separatist Sikhs in Trudeau’s cabinet, he was snubbed by the Indian government. Funny how a lefty who stands for darkie migration got snubbed by a nationalist darkie country. Lefty libtards are jokers.
Justin Trudeau Snubbed? No, Says Delhi
Is Trudeau getting snubbed by India’s Prime Minister?
I had read a book many days ago written by a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer who in his investigations found India’s RAW (India’s version of CIA/MI6/KGB) being very active in Canada working against the Sikh separatists, even orchestrating false flag crimes which were blamed on the Sikh separatists. The Indian government wanted the populations of the West to have a negative image of Sikh separatists as crazy psycho terrorists. When he reported this to his higher ups, his investigation was suppressed by higher up Canadian authorities! Canada did not want to be on the bad books of India! This is even though India stole radioactive material from a Canadian built civilian nuclear reactor (after promising not to do so) in India for it’s own nuclear weapons tests.
The book Soft Target, written by Canadian journalists Brian McAndrew of the Toronto Star and Zuhair Kashmeri of the Toronto Globe and Mail, shows that India blew up its own airliner in 1985, killing 329 people, apparently in order to blame Sikhs for the atrocity and create a pretext for more violence against them.
It shows that the Indian Consul General in Toronto pulled his daughter off the flight shortly before it was due to depart. An auto dealer who was a friend of the Consul General also cancelled his reservation at the last minute. Surinder Singh, director of North American Affairs for the External Affairs office in New Delhi, also cancelled his reservation on that flight. The Consul General also called to finger a suspect in the case before the public knew that the bombing had taken place. The book quotes an agent of the Canadian State Investigative Service (CSIS) as saying, “If you really want to clear the incidents quickly. take vans down to the Indian High Commission and the consulates in Toronto and Vancouver, load up everybody and take them down for questioning. We know it and they know it that they are involved.”
http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/IndiaTerrorist.html
Malla, you’re funny in that you are very realistic about Asians but romanticize the West.
Shed your illusions, my friend, and accept that mankind is just a nasty animal.
The West is nice now because it’s exhausted – it’s lost its will you power. As the world teaches the West the wages of niceness, it will become mean again.
The niceness of the West is a brief window in history.
If you really wanted to save the West, you would advise it to become more evil – deceitful, treacherous, and violent.
Of course, that would destroy all the things you like about the West. You couldn’t romanticize it anymore.
Of course, one cannot he self-consciously evil – the real way to survival, then power and greatness, is to be self-righteously evil.
Proclaim morality but be evil. Double-think – hypocrisy – is necessary for all greatness.
I was reading about slavery in the South – apparently, whenever slaves rebelled whites were shocked and described rebellious slaves as “evil, ungrateful, crazy”. They simply could not imagine that slavery was causing rebellions. They were good people!
Like today, when school shootings are described as just “crazy”. We can’t imagine that something about the cruelty of American culture is responsible.
What’s worse, slaves mostly sided with their masters against their fellow slave rebels and sold them out. That’s the human animal.
This is just the way of the human world. Human affairs will always be like this.
If you want to be a part of the human world, you have to accept all this and play by the rules of the human animal.
It’s just stupid to think you can be part of the human world and not play by its rules – that kind of romantic stupidity gets ruthlessly crushed by reality, as the West is now learning.
All this whining about the Jews – Jews are just more evil than whites now, which makes them top dog. If whites want to be top dog, they need you become as evil as Jews.
It’s really that simple.
If you don’t like it, there is a way out – fly to the woods, the deserts, the mountain caves, or the monasteries. Become a mystic, a bohemian, etc.
But it’s just stupid to think the human world can ever be anything other than it is.
The oy two honest people in the world are the evil people and the mystics and bohemians. They see reality clearly but make different choices.
The material cannot be divorced from the philosophical, nor the philosophical from the material. To advance in one requires some degree of advancement in the other.
The most dedicated ascetic cannot totally stop breathing, drinking, eating, resting, sleeping and excreting – proof of the ultimate reality of material existence.
The richest, most powerful person cannot stop his inner self from impinging on his waking self and asking questions of meaning, purpose or fulfillment.
Both can make strident attempts to DENY the existence of one aspect of existence – by focusing on those aspects which they feel is truly important. Yet, there has never yet seemed to be a being with no material existence, nor philosophical aspect.
To achieve oneness with the Universe is to acknowledge it, and go with its flow, its Way – in one age emphasizing the outer, in another the inner, in another both in equal measure. This is the classic Chinese view of the universe.
It’s funny how some cultures see the Chinese as TOO superstitious (i.e. the West), others see it as not spiritual ENOUGH (i.e. Islam and Hindus). So many outsiders, naively thinking and believing they understand China.
To understand China, be mindful of their core philosophy – and that is BALANCE.
Chinese and Indian (and therefore South Asian and East Asian) identities are ancient. In both cases, most definitely older and formed well before the “Zio” identity.
So the very deeply-rooted national psyches would first have to be destroyed and then Western cultural poison introduced.
Good luck with trying that on the ever-paranoid and racially-cohesive Han. Might have worked with the vulnerable backward China of say 1918. Not going to work in 2018.
Which is why the mainstream (Western) media is reduced to forever impotently decrying the backwardness and inhumanity of Chinese society – all without any discernible effect.
This is the exact opposite of the truth. To advance in one, requires sacrifice of the other.
Of course, it’s possible to choose mediocrity in both and achieve balance. I don’t mean this insultingly – avoiding extremes of excellence and choosing balance may be the healthiest way to live.
But the ideal of balance is the opposite of the ideal of “advancement”, which strives for excellence.
Balance also is hardly unique to China. The Greeks loved it.
Unifying opposites is one way of going with the flow, but transcending opposites is another (all is equally illusory, rather than all is equally valid). However, all is equally illusory seems to go along with recognizing all truth as one sided. So in the end, they are the same.
It isn’t always clear what is balance.
In a world of treachery and violence, fleeing to the forests and deserts may restore balance.
In the end, the striving to create balance is itself one-sided and unbalanced – why should not extremes have their say? Perhaps a higher balance is the succession of extremes.
Humans seem unable to stay balanced for long – the dream of a permanent balancd society is just one more attempt to “freeze” a world that is fundamentally flux. Another utopian project, and a search for a permanent solution to the human precicament.
Since humans are processes and not “things”, no permanent solution that will “pin down” humanity is possible. Processes will simply merge into other processes.
“Going with the flow” may mean giving up the dream of balance.
Good points. China is a totalitarian system so they wouldn’t even take aid from the West. I have to give them credit for this. The Haiti nonsense came when Obama was president. Also, Haiti is a “Roman Catholic” country so the USA RCC bishops were big time cheerleaders for raising money for Haiti. They are still raising money for Haiti, but no one is contributing anymore. The Clintons have a lot of connections with Haiti. They went there on their honeymoon. I’ve read that they are fascinated by voodoo. What a surprise. I’ve read about the Satanic rituals in Haiti. They also exist in another “Roman Catholic” country, Cuba. This is because of African voodoo. The RCC refuses to deal with this.
East Asians are not “posh.” They are a hideous looking bunch, with dark skin. The Japanese don’t need anyone to help them. The Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam and other Asian nations are not like the Japanese at all. Fortunately, people in the West are not helping them as much. Basically, it is the RCC and Zioevangizers that are the ones pushing aid to third world countries. As their churches close, this will come to an end. As I commented earlier, the Chinese government has taken over “RCC” churches in China so the RCC is now in schism with China. This is a very good thing. This will put a stop to RCC nonsense in Asia.
Not completely true. At the height of their expansion, the Brits banned slavery, stopped Sati, stopped Thugees etc… in India when it brought them no benefit. Ibn Jabayr wrote in the 1100s during the crusades about how muslim middle Eastern farmers wailed about the injustice in their lands by Muslim lords and praised the justice in lands under Frankish control.
True, that is again why I have sympathies with the West. Because I can personally relate to the civilization.
For most of humanity yes. But Whites and maybe East Asians have the potential to build better societies. Blacks and browns are a goner, no hope for us (at least 99% of us). I know this a 1000%, the problem lies in the DNA level. I have seen the world enough to know this.
What ‘American’ culture is this? Modern Hollywood/Media created culture is no American Culture, it is a fake culture not representative of Conservative America. Why not bring back pre Civil War Southern culture (Gone With the Wind type) and spread it through out North America. Now that was a culture worth respect (and not because of slavery).
Besides many school shootings are most probably false flag operations with crisis actors. The government wants to get rid of gun, don’t they. They have already done the same in Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand.
You mean like what most brown folks do. This will lead to the West becoming a shithole.
Yes I would advise that too but to ONLY outsiders, non Whites, those of outside the tribe. But inside a White world civilized honest society can be maintained. Thus what is needed is a difference in behaviour to those in group to those outside the group. The major problem with Western Whites is that they expect everybody to behave like them, to think like them, to reciprocate like them. Remove the universality and much of the problem is solved. In other words, Whites have to actually become racists, real racists, like non White racists (who are the real racists). Whites will be called racists whatever they do, so why not become real racists and enjoy the benefits of being racists.
Yes, correct, that is the book. In India that book is banned and 99.99% of people have no clue about it.
Crazy but is possible. A 9-11 like false flag attack. I always say, upper caste Hindus (unfortunately I am one of them) and especially Brahmins are brothers of the Jews. The Brahmins of the ancient Vedic period are no more, got mixed. Those original Brahmans were like Anglos/Germanics, like Aryans. Their blood got mixed up.
“List of Chinese inventions in addition to the Four Great Inventions (no evidence of being invented before anywhere else in the world):
Paper currency
Alcoholic beverage
Artillery
Cannon
Cast coinage
Biological pest control
Flamethrower
Explosives
Bell
Deepwater drilling
Jadeworking
Multiple rocket launcher
Nail polish
Natural gas as fuel
Petroleum as fuel
Oil well
Parachute
Umbrella
Wheelchair
The list goes on and on. There are just too many to name.”
do you know the race of the people that invented those things? There were Aryans in China for many centuries in past history. Were all those things including the big 4 the inventiveness of the people who are the ancestors of the people who invented the rockets that put a man on the moon? The orientals are great copiers. It wouldn’t surprise me if everything that you listed was invented by Aryans and I say that with no apologies for being racist if that is what you want to describe my views.
I don’t think Jews could penetrate the Chinese society easily. After all, Jews look rather different from the chinese and would find it impossible to manipulate a highly cultural monoethnic population in the billion, the examples of which are Mongols, Manchus or kaifeng Jews that had eventually been absorbed by the chinese.
No doubt Jews are smart, resilient and entrepreneurial people, but besides their tribalism, i think their disaportionate success today in global business, academics, politics is largely due to the rise and dominance of white powers where their host are. However, chinese are not white and don’t buy the monotheist Judeo-Christian religion. Interestingly, today the small number of overseas chinese seem to gradually outperform the Jews in many fields even in western societies.
attilathehen, What do you think of the Orthodox Church? Like the one in Russia. They seem less corrupted than Catholics and most Protestant churches by commie/Zio ideology.
It is all oriental despotism. genetic. end of story. and the whole range of Other races are in the same genetic camp. Semites too. jew or arab.
AaronB, What if you have an idealist view of the East of the past. Of spiritual India. India was always materialist. All that spiritual non sense was just a cover. The elites were super rich swimming in gold and diamonds while the masses were poor and miserable. I have read every book written by travelers of the past, I could get my hands on. Arabs, Russians, Frenchmen, Mark Twain etc… The middle East was always materialist too, rich elites and poor and miserable masses.
In the Rig Veda, the oldest book in India and perhaps one of the oldest books in the World describe a people known as Pani. The description of the Pani resembles Jews. They were a mercantile people who traveled in caravans with goods. The Aryan writers of the Rig Veda lambast them for being greedy, cheating, untrustworthy pigs. Many believe that the Pani were Phoenicians, people who traded the world in ships.
Remember that the Indus valley civilization (Mehlua) of India had a lot of trade links with the Babylonians/Sumerians. Strangely many elements of the Indus valley Civilization have strange similarities with the Celts of Europe (Goddess Danu of the Indus valley Civilization and Goddess Dan of the Celts etc…).
You think Britain gave up India out of altruism or social justice? They had to because they became a bankrupted and impotent sunset power after 2 wars. The British elites understand their place clearly that’s why Hong Kong was returned to China although the Hong Kong island was permanently ceded to the UK by Qing China.
I meant only North East Asians as posh. JKCs – Japanese, Koreans and Chinese (and a few others).
An interesting fact about doves is that if you put two males in a cage and leave them there, only one will survive. They are not social animals and have no brain level inhibitions to aggression. Analogously there is a species of crane (I forget exactly which, maybe sandhill) whose chicks have a red spot of feathers on their head. Normally the mother crane will nurture the chick as one would expect, but if you cover the red spot with dye the same mother will peck to death the same chick in the same nest.
I doubt there is an animal on earth that will not reproduce itself to a population collapse if the normal natural restraints on its population are removed.
We are just overly successful. Nature bats last.
Fuck the Chinese….they torture and eat man’s best friend….I’d nuke them to hell for this alone.
Yulin Dog Meat Festival 2016: 10,000 dogs to be killed and eaten at …
http://www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Asia
Jun 21, 2016 – People for the Ethical Treatmenf of Animals (PETA) Director Mimi Bekhechi says: “The Yulin dog-meat festival is condemned internationally and by many people in China itself these days because, for most of us, the idea of killing, cooking and eating dogs – animals we know and love – is revolting
The Chinese also had invented writing as some previous date, and therefore, were capable of keeping records.
A better criticism is that unlike the Greeks, the Chinese never actually developed much of a system of deductive reasoning; most philosophy was based on holistic, inductive reasoning. As Thornsten Pattberg notes, this is less useful for advancement of technology in that it doesn’t uncover any underlying laws, but still works to some extent, just much slower.
Centralization was also toxic to this: the Hundred Schools of Thought(including Logicism, which began to practice an version of deductive reason) was pretty much centralized just to Buddhism, Confucianism and Legalism. Taoism, which was very mystic, survived as well as a kind of cult. But many other schools of thought were reduced, and sometimes even their canons actively eradicated because of Qin thought that all rival knowledge had to be destroyed, utterly.
There were secret societies working within Britain itself who were working to destroy the British Empire from within. Societies like the Round Table Group, Chatham House (the Royal Institute of International Affairs) and the League of Nations Union, the Theosophists etc… Edwin Samuel Montagu, the Jewish Secretary of State of India in the early 1920s wrote in the Montagu Clemsford Report that 90% of the Indian population were contented with the British Empire but the British government itself wouldintroduce and give rise to Indian nationalism!!! There were elements within the British establishment (globalist elites) who wanted to destroy the British Empire. Indeed one British MP who opposed appointing Montagu as Secretary of State of India said that Montagu ‘wanted to replace British Raj with Jewish Raj’. That says it all.
The whole Indian Independence struggle was like a kabuki play, a stage act.
The Chatham House was/is to the British Empire, what CFR is to the USA. They clandestinely supported communism and they played a big part in studies in mind control programming via the media and education. They eventually merged with the creepy Frankfurt School (kicked out of Germany by the National Socialists) guys. They played a big part in inventing modern music, modern culture, counter culture etc…. in other words tools used to destroy the traditional West.
North America does not belong to the White and other colored aliens, it belongs to the people of the First Nations of the North America, they do not want your culture, they did not invite you to come, and they want you to leave. Here is the voice they want you to listen,
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/red-cry/
For over seventy years the US has dominated Asia, ravaging the continent with two major wars in Korea and Indo-China with millions of casualties, and multiple counter-insurgency interventions in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Timor, Myanmar, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The strategic goal has been to expand its military and political power, exploit the economies and resources and encircle China.
Before WWII, the American is just one of the Western imperialists ravaged and wreaked havoc of Asia with barbaric wars, illicit drugs like Opium, slavery, stealing, robbing, looting, plundering, murdering, torturing, exploiting, polluting, culture genocide, ‘pious’ fanaticism, unmatchable greed and extreme brutality. In fact it is hard to tell the difference between the American and the unrepentant war criminal Japanese who is more lethal and barbaric to Asians until the Pearl Harbour incident.
USA is 10,000 miles away on the other side of the Pacific. USA is not an Asian nation, and American is an alien to Asian, American became rich and powerful through imperialism, colonialism, selling opium, religious indoctrination of the conquered, ethnic cleansing, genocide, slavery, racial discrimination, regime change, weapons trade, shock and awe, skillful propaganda, etc.
American is a toxin and a plague to Asian, They have done enough damage to Asian already, they are not wanted, not invited and not loved in Asia, go home Yankee.
“In those days ‘competent’ meant who won wars and took over the land.”
Certainly wars mattered, but the evidence is that there were other things, like lactase persistence or resistance to disease, and there were quite a few population replacements in history.
I think you would enjoy Professor Scott (there are several lectures on Youtube), but a word of warning: he is politically an anarchist (soi disant), and a bit romantic about barbarians with an axe to grind towards civilization, so take him with a grain of salt. He admits to slaves being the #1 trade item for barbarians somewhat reluctantly.
There’s a good evidence that there was a proto-identity population that contributed language and myths, thus the the close similarity between Sanskrit, Greek, and Latin and the strangely similar names of gods. That and the fact that India was never really isolated from the west: the Greeks knew of India even if only as a throwaway context of a far, far away place, and they became much more familiar after Alexander tried to reach the “end of the world” and ended in India.
Quite a bit of cultural exchange followed from that.
I agree that this sentiment is shared among western educated Chinese people, including Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, etc etc.
However, your comment would be labeled as “Uncle Tom” by far leftist. Nationalism is good in a sense that as long as it serves Chinese interest to its core. This may explain why CCP assumes its foreign policy as non-interfering and stay neutral to sovereign countries. This also reflects the very core nature of Chinese people, especially from mainland, which in a way appears as clannish, closed, sneaky manners that gives the impression that Chinese only cares for themselves and only interested in looking for opportunities that they could to better themselves.
Chinese calling White expats as “Laowai” in China is as good as White Americans telling “I love Chinese people”. If there is a angermometer, Blacks will be listed on top, followed by Whites and East Asians will be at the bottom, that is how good and strong Confucius value is ingrained in every generation of Chinese people.
If “nationalism” is full blown in White Americas, let alone other parts of the globe, Mr. Liu, in all honesty, you won’t be having this conversation in Unz, you’ll be dead as Vincent Chin. You will be called “Chink” every corner of the street in a derogatory term. The last day you embarked upon that voyage to a new world, while far looking at your waving wife standing on the dock will be the last day you will ever see your wife in Imperial China. Every piece of land you think you will make a fortune in the future, will await with Chinese massacre in history: Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Burma, and now you landed in far flung Australia and think you’re free from massacre and found yourself in the part of the Chinese history making in Australia. Your old friend who believed the new world would be far better off with gold rush windfall found himself castrating his golden balls with CEA, miscegenation law and literally turned himself into another eunuch in this new world.
As a matter of fact, “breakup” of White nationalism was the major driving force that let Chinese descents to achieve in the US. Credits where credit is due, Chinese will never achieve the highest positions in the US without shrewd, yet manipulative Jewish presence. All the higher positions Chinese now held in the US Congress were the offshoot of “Diversity” mantra spread across the country by Jewish media. Remember this is a side-effect rather a targeted achievement.
The day you wish Nationalism will be reemerged in the US, Jews will be outed first and then be ready for another chink documents coded in a pretentious filibuster.
As far as everyone’s concerned, no one wants a way of Jewish living or Chinese living.
Only when we get to the stage where everyone yearns a way of Chinese living, you can then safely write a White paper to call out the nationalism in every country. Until then be careful what you wish for, Mr. Liu.
I completely accept that. There is no culture that has managed to sustain a high level of goodness over t time, and even the best times were mostly evil and greedy.
We complain about modernity, but in conditions that would seem ideal to those of us who dislike modernity, the Buddha arose and said life is basically unsatisfying, and Lao Tzu said the same thing.
It’s the human condition that is lacking. I am interested only in counter-cultures – and some periods of time in some places are more favorable to that than others , but it’s never a permanent thing and it rotates around the world.
Abolishing slavery was great, but it was a temporary thing that happened because whites could afford to, and because new economic conditions made it better to do so. Don’t romanticize it – the new economy in America is gradually reintroducing slavery conditions (no joke, read Mark Ames Going Postal), and actual slaves exist now in Britain and no one cares.
What you think of as “Western” is just a temporary state of affairs that owed itself to very unusual conditions – not least of which is the unmatched power of the West, itself secured through violence and fraud. It isn’t timelessly “Western”, nor can it survive the conditions that have it birth.
The things I like about India and China are now fast disappearing, it is true, and may reappear for the time being elsewhere, or be driven to the margins.
I understand the desire to have a utopia somewhere, but I don’t think it can ever characterize entire societies for any lengthy period of time.
However, I think you have a legitimate point that in some ways now, the West better realizes some of your values than other places. It’s just that this isn’t “the West” – it’s just aanother episode in the story of the world, that is already disappearing, and that can’t survive emerging global conditions.
I don’t begrudge you your values, but the paradox you are in is that the West cannot survive if it continues to adhere to these values, and is in fact getting rid of them anyways out of simple greed.
Your values will reemerge at a later date, in unexpected places, as they are eternal, only to vanish again.
The White wanted to gloss over their inferiority past before 19th century, they created Eurocentrism and Orientalism thru their evil inquisition mind and culture by portraying Orientals or the Others as everything they were ashamed of themselves used to be, meanwhile portray themselves superior as everything not the Others or the Orientals. This toxic construct and imagination is still the basis of the modern Western culture, mindset, and mentality, this toxin is so deeply embedded in the Westerners mindsets that they even don’t they are bigots, racists, and detrimental to the harmony of humanity and its survival. The Westerners are so intoxicated by the Eurocentrism/Orientalism fabricated by their mentally haunted forebears, they even believe their bombing, killing and waterboarding on the fabricated phantom WMD allegations as humanitarian intervention.
Denying is the main tool used by the Eurocentrists to portray the Orientals are backward and stagnant, meanwhile “claiming credit where credit is not due” is the common practice to portray the White as superior race. You have inherited Eurocentrism well.
BTW stones only need to be cut from mountains, while bricks need several industrial processes to change from one form of material to another, if you know the difference between them in terms technology advancement.
Mongols shot the European heavy cavalry like sitting ducks which caused ‘Yellow Peril’ as a Dionysius sword over the White’s head thanks to your proud European heavy cavalry.
Please read comment #315 as Replies to your comment.
Yup that is true. And not only Greeks and Romans but also Norse, Slavs, Celts, Baltics, Hittites, Persians etc….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion
https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/01/19/odin-odinn-and-mazda-the-supreme-ahura-of-zoroastrianism/
Odin, Óðinn and Mazda, the supreme Ahura of Zoroastrianism
https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/07/13/avestan-airyaman-irmin-got-as-a-name-of-odin-and-the-irish-eremon/
Avestan Airyaman, Irmin-got as a name of Odin and the Irish Éremón
https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/06/12/rune-thurisaz-frost-giants-and-the-severe-cosmic-winter-in-zoroastrianism/
Rune Thurisaz, Frost Giants, and the severe cosmic winter in Zoroastrianism
For example, In Latvian and Lithuanian, God is called Deva or Devta, just like Hinduism.
The Central Asian nations ending ‘stan’ (Uzbekistan, Afghanistan) is similar to Sanskrit ‘Sthan’ which means place and is parallel to the German word for city ‘Stadt’ and is parallel to the English word ‘to stand’.
Similarly the ancient Anglo-Germans believed that all humans were descended from ‘Mannus’ hence the word ‘Man’ . In Hinduism, it is believed all humans descended from Sage ‘Manu’ hence the word for man in Hindi is ‘Manushya’, ‘Manav’.
The term ‘Himalayas’ (Himalayan mountain) , ‘Hima’ stands for snow and Himalaya means abode of snow. In Russian, winter is called ‘Zima’.
Few of many examples.
cows are sacred to indians. pork is forbidden for muslims.
don’t start seeing red from the food on someone’s plate.
Hmmm. Maybe you are right. Lets see.
That’s right! Aryans were KINGS . . . . an’ Shiieet!
More seriously, there WERE some proto-Aryans in what is today Xinjiang, before they were pushed out or destroyed by proto-Asians (we’re talking about 2,500 BC).
In the Han ancestral area (between the Yangtze river and Mongolia) there WERE a large numbers of nomadic proto-Mongols, Manchus and Turks (who gave their DNA contribution to the formation of the actual Han identity – along with Tibetans, actually). This was in the time BEFORE recorded Chinese history.
Most of those developments, inventions, discoveries and innovations were DURING the time when civilization had arisen in China.
Look, I can get that people are now not impressed by China. I get that Chinese nowadays copy and yes “Culturally Appropriate” EVERYTHING USEFUL (including but not limited to many aspects of European Civilization). And furthermore, they do it right in the open, for they know Westerners stopping their modernity being copied worldwide is like trying to hold back the ocean.
But really, we have to give these ancient cultures their due.
Tidal wave was wrong but understandable. And so something, anything that could stand in for it, e.g. Japanese “tsunami” was better. Literally a harbor wave, in translation it is not evocative or really any more correct as tides affect harbors too.
Then there is the technically perfect and utterly sexless Seismic Sea Wave.
Hopefully my point was made that rather than think that this is the End of History (TM), in fact history has just been postponed and when it returns there will be Interesting Times.
“Not skepticism corvinus but a profound optimism.”
Profound optimism to you because of what you perceive to be true. Assuredly, other people who would challenge that point of view are reasonable to point out that you are expressing skepticism.
“The two philosophical poles are – the world is composed of substance or it is a “process” without substance.”
You have your unique take on how you believe there are these two philosophical poles, and proceed to craft a position based on that position. It does not mean, however, that your line of thinking is the ONLY way people MUST view matters.
“Wars are fought because we think the world is composed of “things” that we must posses. That’s the Western view and it’s why the history of the West is extraordinarily violent.”
In reality, people, whether it be the Chinese or the Europeans, have thought that the world consists of material objects. And the Chinese were other than peaceful in their long-standing history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles
“I look at the world and see its evil and wish to “eradicate” it, as if it were a “thing”.”
Good and evil are both tangible and intangible, and have been recognized by human beings as a “thing”, one that should either be pursued or destroyed.
“since I see humans as process and not substance, I merely mean that a particular process will blend into other processes. Nothing will have been lost, because no “thing” existed in the first place.”
Considering that processes contains substance, and considering that a process is a substance that is subject to alteration or change, there is the distinct likelihood you are engaging in pseudo-intellectualism here.
“It is also the fluidity of Jewish thinking, which I know well. You will often find in Jewish culture contradictory and multiple ideas expressed on the same topic with no attempt to reconcile them. Truth is “situatonal” and provisional and there is no concept of an underlying “thing”.”
Actually, you often find a number of cultures by which there is contradiction and ideas expressed with little effort or an unwillingness to reconcile them.
“Whites are forever defending some eternal “thing” which commits them to certain strategies they cannot deviate from.”
Actually, people throughout human history have defended an eternal “thing”, as they have placed a value on that object, whether it be a personal value or a group value or a cultural value.
“Both Jews and Asians do not take the world seriously because they do not look for permanence within it.”
You are going to have to offer specific examples here rather than make an unsupported statement.
“I do not exorct you corvinus to understand a single word I have written or give anything remotely resembling an intelligent reply.”
What I understand is that you have a way of looking at the world which you believe to be true, which does mean it is universally true.
There is also the unspoken but very real admissions quota for Asians in the best universities – as pointed out in an article right here in this site (and indeed in many sites by now).
Gotta keep the gates barred so that we can dominate, after all. Can’t be seen to be handily out-performed by these POCs, none of whom are beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Quite the reverse, actually.
Well, I guess this is the time I will make an explicit prediction in this thread. Here it is:
2018-2020 marks the beginning of the decline of not only American, but Western power in Asia. Gradually at first, then accelerating rapidly, it will be quite clear to all observers that these years mark the beginning of a new epoch in world history.
Not a bad thing. Good for the West, actually. We need all our energy, wealth, power and will to be brought home, where the challenge to our very being is now existential and mortally dire.
“What is united must inevitably divide, what is divided must inevitably unite”.
Flux – I believe is the term. A good term.
None of this is surprising, or even that new.
It has been long established that the chariot riding invaders of the Subcontinent, the destroyers of Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and the ancient Indus River civilization in 1500 B.C., were in fact Indo-Europeans. They were coming from long migration from North Eurasia. It was they who instituted the Caste system in India.
Sikkimese didn’t choose to join India although I know this is the narrative India is pushing. India plan for years to annex Sikkim and finally made the move in 1975.
Thank you, corvinus, for acknowledging this.
That’s all I ask.
That’s the future for the West. The churches are racial/ethnic. There is no pope. As a Western, Latin rite woman, we’ll have to incorporate elements of the pre-Vatican II RCC into the Western Orthodox church.
The Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are ugly races. Only a very very, tiny minority is attractive. The upper caste Indians of India are the only attractive Asians. Some are so white looking they qualify as Caucasians. I recall a news segment about some Indians who have Chinese origins and are discriminated against by the non-Chinese Indians. Seeing the two types together, the Indians looked better than the Chinese.
I would respond to Joe Wong’s comments, but I don’t want to stare into the abyss that he clearly inhabits.
“What I understand is that you have a way of looking at the world which you believe to be true, which does mean it is universally true.”
Bonehead move on my part. I should have proofread. I failed on that part miserably.
Here is what I meant to say–What I understand is that you have a way of looking at the world which you believe to be true, which DOES NOT mean it is universally true.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Or perhaps it was a Freudian slip 🙂
Don’t be so hard on yourself – you’re not a bonehead. No one’s keeping score.
Yes. The cyclical nature of history.
It’s far superior to the “arc of history” silliness so popular these days, which that jackass Pinker is trying to defend once again.
What is this “Western Orthodox” church?
I have heard of the “Eastern Orthodox Church” and the “Roman Catholic Church”. What is Western Orthodox?
Don’t culturally appropriate the achievements of Mongols, kthx bye.
Quite interesting, thank you.
Lots of them here in the Sonoran Desert.
Something about their essence, their presence, their song, that is so serene.
It’s understandable why this creature has come to symbolize hope, peace, the “holy spirit.”
It may sound superstitious, but I always feel as if some spiritual specter accompanies them.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourning_dove
source: http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/sonoran_desert.htm
Which “one” ? 🙂
What is the aim of your trolling which seems to take the simple form of making totally unprovable offensive-to-many assertions in the form of personal preferences dressed up as statements of fact?
Are all those “deliberate errots” and overstatements a clue to the calm and cautiously observant? That is that y0u are advertising to the not-so-thick reader that you are trolling? But who are you aiming your provocations at, and why?
hehe. I guess the first one is more important, so take that.
I guess, she meant in the future. But there has been some history of Orthodoxy in Western Europe, in Britain and Ireland, for example.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Timeline_of_Orthodoxy_in_the_British_Isles
St. Alban, Protomartyr of Britain in Christian Orthodox style
Im merely doing a thankless job that the bloody CCP should’ve been doing all along.
When whiteys bleat about Chinese propaganda I gotta laugh !
Those morons in Beijing dont even have a counter propaganda dept, never mind a propaganda ministry. !
In the end its left to old goats like me who couldnt stand the daily tsunami of whiteys B.S. to take up the cudgel !
The murkkans , who’r kept in the dark and fed B.S. all day like mushroom, should’ve thanked people like us, but judging from the reaction here, my truth telling invites only more hatred, , such ingrates !
As another example of ungrateful murkkans,
Here’s an Indian B.S.tting his murkkan soul mates that …
‘China is behind the coup in Nepal, which would’ve been long gobbled up if not for Indian protection’ [a]
ROFLMAO !
ROBBER CRYING ROBBERY
I told myself WTF !
this people really are shameless, I must tell those innocent yanks the truth so I sent in the following….[b]
iNDIA using Maoists against Nepal, [1]
The main characteristic of the relations between Nepal and China is that we have no bilateral problems at all. Nepal has two imminent neighbours and we have countless problems with our neighbour in the South and not a single problem with our neighbour in the North. This is why, both the countries, Nepal and China, enjoy very cordial and harmonious relations at the government level as well as at the people’s level. [2]
Nepal’s geopolitical situation is different from Sri Lanka’s. While Sri Lanka does not have an immediate neighbor other than India, Nepal does have a neighbor in China, which has to safeguard its own security interests, mainly in Tibet. Those who have seen New Delhi sending troops to Sri Lanka in 1980s to rescue Tamils involved in a separatist movement do not believe that India would repeat that exercise in Nepal. [3]
Whad’ya Know?
Those dumb fucks would rather swallow Indian cow dung, ignore testimonies from the Napalese themselves and banned me from their site !
I’d have happily leave those dumb fucks to stew in their own juice but for the fact that these brain dead zombies have their hands on thousands of nukes , one of these days they’r gonna destroy the world out of their god damned hubris and ignorance.
hehehehe[a]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336484/posts
[b]
not exactly these link, couldnt recall what I did send back then !
but you get the gist.
[1]
http://web.archive.org/web/20060513014244/http://www.newslinenepal.com/index6.php?sno=38&tbl=ace
[2]
http://web.archive.org/web/20071019093308/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94
[3]
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HJ24Df01.html
Thank you for your levelheaded and knowledgeable contributions. I think you made a comment on Chinese voting patterns in Australia. I hope it is a sign that my hoped for future is on track. Australia, I trust, avoids importing cheap labor – in line with the Labor Party’s union origins which was the main reason for the White Australia policy till about 1966 – as it doesn’t need it for its largescale mining and ag businesses or, yet, aged care and should be able to count on its prosperous Chinese 4 or 5 per cent and – only lagging a little – a similar proportion of subcontintentals to counteract the cynical left votebuyers of the now corrupted still union owned Labor Party and the mad rentseeking, largely publicly employed Greens. Unfortunately Australia can afford many years of lower productivity than it needs to be under a professional politicians’ régime. I suspect I am ceasing to call myself a liberal democrat…..
Man, I can’t stand those people! they are arrogant, haughty, and harmful to America! I promised my self not to purchase any garbage they produce, as long as I can, and since I have need of nothing of theirs, I only need food and few other things, that are produced in the good old USA. Believe it, you can still purchase items made in USA, all you do have to do is to look for them.
It looks like there is a conspiracy against us in our own country! I was in Europe, and surprise! surprise, their stores’ shelves are full of items made in Europe! Why can we just do the same?
Reply to Comment #345 Anonymous • Disclaimer
It is a reply to comment #106 by John Derbyshire, an history denier, and unrepentant old days colonialist. If you consider those historical facts provocations, then it seems you are either uneducated or a soul mate of John Derbyshire. Mind you my comment is a mild statement of the ugly nature of the West, if you read the following, you will consider my comment is objective and refrained.
Exposing Lies of the Empire – Andre Vltechek
The Eastern Origins of Western Civilisation – John M Hobson
Legal Orientalism, China, The United States, and Modern Law – Teemu Ruskola
Chinese Law in Imperial Eyes – Li Chen
…
Jews have a history of dominating powers in the Middle East too. Jews genetically fall in between Europeans and Middle Easterners with Ashkenazi more towards the European side, Sephardi slightly less and Mizrahim more towards Middle Easterners. It will be interesting to see any attempt to take over East Asian powers.
However there was a lot of Jewish influence in the early Chinese communist movement.
https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/jews-in-china-mao-era/
CHINAS “REVOLUTIONARY” JEWS
https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/chinese-communism-yes-but-it-was-jewish-when-it-started/
CHINESE COMMUNISM? YES BUT IT WAS JEWISH WHEN IT STARTED
I wonder if that is the case with Korea and Vietnam too.
If you are interested in the whole Sikkim fiasco, the Indian imperialist annexation of Sikkim, this book is a must read.
http://pahar.in/wpfb-file/1984-smash-and-grab-annexation-of-sikkim-by-datta-roy-s-pdf/
Smash and Grab: Annexation of Sikkim by Sunanda K. Datta-Ray
P.S. The above book was banned in India.
Funny is it not. We Indians wailing and bleating about the evul British imperialism only to behave imperialist ourselves when given the opportunity. Indonesians braying and bleating about evul Dutch imperialism/ Japanese imperialism only to act imperialist in Irian Jaya, on the black Papuans. Kenyans braying and bleating about evul British, about the clamp down on the Mau Mau, only to use the same tactics used by the Brits, later on the Somalis of North Kenya with the Kenyan administration at that time being dominated by the Kikuyu, the same tribe behind the Mau Mau movement!!
Hypocrisy at the finest.
Initially i thought John Derbyshire was juz naughtily trying to cobble some outright imbeciles writen articles that discriminating against China Chinese, to a ridiculous extend of justifying opium war is harmless for Chinese but themselves to blame for replacing opium with sesame paste, juz to spark some interesting debate.
But this Tibet & Xinjiang statement has clearly given him away, he is juz another wilful anti-Chinese hater agitprop hiding in sheep skin with no slight good intention.
For he had self proclaimed to read every books written about China, so he had no excuse to claim stupidity ignorant here.
It doesn’t exist, yet. I’m just putting out ideas because the RCC is gone. Diversity has destroyed it. I don’t mean Christianity. I mean the physical church. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. Many RCCers are converting to the Eastern Orthodox Church. The churches are racial/ethnic so that will work better with the West. The problem is the difference in the art forms and some theology. This is why I propose a church that blends both but incorporates both traditions.
Trolling? Assertions? I start everything with IQ, the most important, objective, measurable truth on earth. IQ measurements will lead to distinct racial differences. Racial differences lead to different “souls.” The Caucasian/European standard is the most imitated physical form in the world. Blacks/Asians cannot measure up to this standard. These are facts. You cannot deal with reality.
Really? Not according to me. But we all have our tastes. North East Asians look more evolved than most Indians. Nearly all Indian subcontinentals including the upper castes have Australoid/black ancestry. Upper castes have less of it and more Caucasoid DNA but we are all mixed.
Indeed its John forte, to read every books about China, and continue to lies outright.
To gobble how much West sewage does not make one any slightest healthier or wiser. Only if one travel to China, live and see for yourself with open mind without prejudice.
China is such vast country with 1.4B people make up of many different ethnics & cultures, one that has a proud long 5000yrs civilization that not any fool should stereotype Chinese with a few isolated cases or old history, nor critics on Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, etc. after reading a few books.
Juz as we shouldn’t stereotype all Americans with Trumps, Niki, Bush, Clintons, rednecks, or hiphop Blacks, if you ever visited and live in US you can understand my message, the majority are more than that. Nor should we continue to harp on All Germans are Nazis, All AngloSaxon are Viking Pirates, All Blacks are Slave,….
At times we might make some sarcastic remarks in our comments against say US gov moron mentality, just for fun but not stereotype all Americans are like that.
LOL, which part of planet you come from? it juz prove you have never travel out of your little town and try to talk something you never tasted before, good moon cake. Not those cheap moon pies in Walmart you feasted and start bragging…
I had tried so many varieties that i lost count, you name it. But they aren’t cheap.
Chocolate, Durians, Bean paste, green tea, ice cream, lotus seed, single egg, double eggs, birdnest, seafood,….with various outer crusts, crispy to tender soft, hot to frozen.
I don’t know how to paste pic(can someone teach me?), you can see for yourself with Google. Get updated, Chinese has thousands year of bakery history, still developing. Juz google mooncake variety, you will find your favourite, more than juz strawberry & chocolate you can ever imagine.
Now i know why you write foolish thing in peakstupidity site. Pretend to know Chinese culture well to criticize but never been there nor able to afford good Chinese cuisine.
From China:
https://www.chinahighlights.com/festivals/top-10-mooncake-flavors.htm
From Singapore:
http://www.shape.com.sg/food/20-special-mooncakes-try-year/
I think HK or Taiwan, Malaysia will have even more varieties?
Cows are nice and useful, but Dogs are Man’s best friend.
Hey Aaron, what do you think of this. I would really want your opinion on what this Indian/Bangladeshi guy Mr. Frank Raymond says.
I don’t know how you get that. I’d like the Americans to restrict their territorial ambitions to metropolitan America, i.e. get the heck out of Iraq, Germany and Japan; but within that zone I’m happy for them t0 be as nationalist as they please.
Oh Derb, hostility is our way of being friendly.
Very Strange! As commies are experts in propaganda, always have been. Maybe the Chinese government today is naive about the importance of propaganda and counter propaganda. Anyways in most websites there are very few Chinese posting as most Chinese live in their own Han world of language and internet restrictions. There were Indians everywhere throughout the internet. It is only recently am I seeing many Chinese posters on the internet and it is on Unz where I see a large number of them posting the PRC point of view. Unz.com is truly a great place to understand how the world really works.
I do not see many posters from Vietnam about their point of view, may be we will see many in the future.
Find the pic via google, and go to the webpage with only the pic and then get the webpage address (url) and just paste the url on your comment box. When you publish, in 90% of cases, the pic should come. I hope that helps.
your depiction of scholar vs bandidos wouldnt be complete without the deputy sheriff !
hhhhhh
previously when you do google search, click on the image tag on top,
get tons of relevant images, then click visit image, copy the url and paste in your comment, RU software will do the rest.
But just the other day google classify its images search as propriety.
now I use searx.me, click the image, then click the ‘get image’ below and copy its url.
after you hit post comment, if you can see the image on the box pending moderation, then its done.
hope this help !
It’s been a hard day , need some entertainment ?
DONT MISS THIS ONE !
This is the Indian cow dung fed to the murkkans, verbatim !
See how the murkkans lap it all up,,,,,,…
buahahahahaha
We can tell if the same-sex marriage goals fail in the Land of Oz…
Wobbly comment is correct in a sense for general stereotype, but wording can be less provoking imho.
There was a saying around 1990’s that:
Every law abiding ignorant Sporean into China biz, all get cheated empty.
Every HKie into China biz, 50% loss, 50% win as equally street smart.
Every Taiwanese into China biz, all mainland Chinese get cheated empty. In actual facts many Taiwanese also lost badly, juz lesser.
There were many news about how shrewd Taiwanese business men swindled mainland Chinese, some even using brutal triads. These are history now i think. But street smart Taiwanese are really make to success in such lawless business environment, even outwitting China gov into swindled their bank loan with fake factory setup and transactions to transmit out the fund tightly controlled by CPC.
China urgently needs to start going for high quality and customer relationship now as economy already reach sufficient level that failed State Owned Enterprise SOE that produced junks can phased out without destabilizing whole society. Every country went through this path, Japan was famous as日本= 一日够本 (product worth a day), but it embraced Lee’s quality theory to bcom top premium quality (declining now). The world incl you mainland Chinese are all too irritated by China poor quality products.
I recollect that twitter Chinese graduate student in a SJW class and his efforts to craft a “mission statement” for a company:
long-term greedy, not short-term greedy
Made me chuckle pretty hard.
Anti-China mentality is common among uninformed Singaporean i observed, esp the younger generation leaders & people that are totally fed with Western Koolaid since born, adoring West blindly to hate China everything. Now gov is trying to improve on Chinese education with China ascending, but Western msm have monopolized all media, sinophobe is obvious in SG newspaper.
Why would Spore need resentment towards China? Every Sporean with slight intelligent know its China butter their bread, and their future prosperity insurance, consider that long time strategic relationship carefully nurtured since LKY & Deng time, with Spore unconditionally providing China with all FDI & knowledge/skills transfer/training.
China would want a prosperous Spore as Asean partner for sure at that strategic location, their smart leaders are still awaiting for PM LHL to sober up to reality or next better PM. With foreign Indians now occupying every high post in gov, it seem remote unless a real 3rd gen leader appear which is even more impossible under LHL.
Nepotism destroyed best leaders to surface on merits. Many see that 2nd PM Goh CT was merely a seat warmer for LKY son, 3rd PM LHL to ascend. LHL cause damage to the country with many talented leaders, admin & civil head left. A weak leader will not tolerate anyone better than him.
But overall, the gov still perform excellent comparatively to the world clowns circus now. And Spore itself has reached a stable system that will still work as long the leader don’t screw up too much.
I never heard Albert was Spore Zhugeliang. But Spore BEST Zhugl ex-DPM Dr Goh Keng Swee was head hunted by DengXP since 1980’s. The real brain in making what Spore success, from Finance, JTC Industrial Park, HDB public housing, CPF fund, Asean best army force, ….every impossible missions. LKY highly praised GKS as the man that is more capable than him to task for every most important missions.
But LKY do kept as many talents as he could as think tank. As he said, a real leader need not able to do everything, but he must able to attract the best and know who is best to do what. Probably he learnt much from ancient China Emperor wisdom & Confucianism.
Still he commented, China has the world best think tank, they know your country better than you, and come with a irresistible proposal that what they can give and what they need which you can offer. So we can see many countries fall into China partnership eagerly that FukusIndia are out to sabotage.
新年快乐
and they are both delicious to different segments of the human race.
what is your point?
Ever wonder why Mr Lee Kuan Yew so closed to China with Mr Deng XP as his only admired stateman, want to solicite US to balance China rising in Asia Pacific?
This is what i could think of:
Under Jiang ZM era in initial opening up of China lawless market, Spore suffered much loses in China investment due to its honest law abiding social norm under LKY PAP.
LKY had great foresight to see the utmost potential of a great prosperous China that he get Spore invested deeply into China from earliest stage with much knowhow transfer and FDI.
But the Suzhou mayor lawless mafia style (with Jiang approval for sure) of robbing a high profile state-to-state $Bil Suzhou Industrial Park had upset Lee KY so much into going public to denounce China gov and give up project. That probably had make LKY see China differently since, after Deng XP death, China is a dangerous lawless bully.
I would further speculate that with many accumulated bad experiences later under ultra corrupted China gov from lowest level up to highest Jiang that bankrupted so many Spore businessmen had instilled deeply in LKY to conclude that a strong unrestrained China without moral virtues and law abiding system is indeed great menace to the world. So he advocated for US to counterbalance China, as Japan and India are simply aren’t up to standard.
With Mr Hu Jing Tao tightly under Jiang’s controlled(?), there was nothing much improve if not worsen as ex-Premier Zhu Rong Ji had proclaimed. Still Spore relationship with China improved much as Spore continue to provide highest FDI & all helpful aids like free training and skill transfer in whatever China needs.
Pres Xi JP relentless cracked down of corruption to remove many Jiang stooges seem changing China much. Singapore appeared to engage in many mega industrial parks and big projects successfully. As time passed, i heard Singapore has make a good reputation as preferred reliable partners(besides Germans) in China bcos of honesty?
With Pres Xi JP strong leadership able to put China on a responsible peaceful rising, probably LKY might regret in his grave now that he had invited a hegemonic destructive US to rebalance in AsiaPac, obstructing China peaceful rise & sabotaging AP peace and prosperity greatly.
This has instilled much dislike among Chinese towards Spore. PM LHL has further aggravate that with his weak leadership manipulated by US into chaining Spore with US anti-China war machine. LKY muz be turning in his grave to see that.
Still under early stage, Mr LeeKY is correct to perceive the great danger in a corrupted and lawless superpower China that will out produce and out sell everyone, to solicite US. But Pres Xi has miraculously restructured China, and now on another bigger mission to contain world greatest threat, declining US Empire.
Until China can protect all its ally from US, all pragmatic leaders will be continuously threaten or blackmailed into anti-China. LHL is galaxy far from his father ability and credential to yield any political influence to resist US control.
Next time people commit cannibalism, that’s consuming tissue/body fluid(say,blood) of the same species, remember:
Sperm lives matter !!
Chicken lives matter !!
https://chickenlivesmatter.com/
Carrot juice is murder !!
Humans were delicious to many segments of the human race.
Deputy Sheriff will protect Scholar.
No, the slanted eyes and flat faces of the North East Asians are hideous. As to the Indians, I’ve never heard of the Brahmins having “black ancestry.” Again, the Aryan Indian is a tiny minority, but this does not exist in the rest of Asia. Aishwarya Rai is an example of this upper caste Aryan beauty. No Chinese, Japanese, Korean woman could compete with her. India has an Aryan past. This is why the Nazis went to India for truth. China, Japan, Korea have nothing Aryan or Caucasian about them. Hence their inferior religious belief systems. The West looks to ancient Egypt (Caucasian) and ancient India (Aryan) for its roots. It never looks to China, Japan, Korea or other Asian nations.
And, no not everyone is mixed. And if some are mixed, we must look at the mixture.
you are equating eating dogs to eating humans, cannibalism?
seriously? like are you seriously trying to use this point? I thought you were a balanced person till this comment.
what do you think of people who kill cows and eat beef, the animal that is sacred to you? you are an indian right?
No one here is stoping British to recolonized India if they wish. And if Brits could, they won’t hesitate a sec to exploit. Go ahead, i think India will love it too, with joint passport as soulmates. Then a billion Indian will reside in UK, while 70Mil British can move to Bombay, Delhi….your choice.
“No, the slanted eyes and flat faces of the North East Asians are hideous.”
Of course, your position runs afoul of God. Repent for your sins is most advisable.
Matthew 7:1-5 –> Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
“The West looks to ancient Egypt (Caucasian) and ancient India (Aryan) for its roots. It never looks to China, Japan, Korea or other Asian nations.”
You really are not that bright.
http://sciencenordic.com/china-has-inspired-us-enlightenment
“I start everything with IQ, the most important, objective, measurable truth on earth.”
Right, YOU start it there. Does not mean others have to agree with you. Do you want to know more, citizen?
Its an insult, it means at most IQ86 still way too low to be normal functional. Chinese ave is above 100.
Blaming the “West” is a rote excuse for Chinese nationalists, drummed into them from a young age. Look at the ridiculous story they came up with in the Gui Minhai case this week – like usual, it’s all a Western anti-China conspiracy – nothing wrong with Beijing’s behavior.
Apart from ancient Rome and Greece, the West has been ahead of China since the Renaissance. How do Chinese nationalists square this with their belief in China being the eternal centre of civilization? By blaming the “West” of course – on a few 19th century wars, and widespread drug use. And when people point out what a pathetic excuse this is (most Western nations suffered wars, defeats and widespread drug use far worse than China ever did), it makes no difference whatsoever.
On top of that, look at their patronizing and arrogant attitudes towards the rest of Asia – behaving as if they own Korea, Japan and the whole of the Asia.
The first thing I want to point out is that Asians are not allowed to anthropologize white people – only non-whites are a suitable subject for anthropology 🙂
Whites don’t have a “mentality” – they ate guided entirely by “rationality”. Didn’t you know that?
That infraction of the unspoken code aside, you are exposing me to a phenomena that I was not aware of and that I find fascinating, and is encouraging despite being founded on utterly false premises.
I couldn’t possibly listen to three hours of video so I will take the first point of the first video as a typical sample worth analyzing.
It’s remarkable that the particular attribute he singles out as characteristically “white” is doing things that have no material purpose and that transcend our physical needs – that are “useless”, (perhaps, one might say, spiritual?)
It’s remarkable because I was just reading a book by fascinating Dutch sinologist Pierre Ryckmans called the “The Hall of Uselessness” – which singles out an appreciation for “uselessness” as a particular feature of Chinese culture!
Now, wouldn’t you agree that the characteristic feature of Western culture in the past few centuries, which focuses on technology, is precisely an obsessive focus on “usefulness” and the fulfilment of material needs? Isn’t that what’s EXACTLY Western lately?
What a bold and strange reversal!
Now, Ryckmans of course got that concept – and perhaps that phrase – from the writings of Chuang Tzu, who can be called the geat poet of “uselesness” and whose writings are replete with anecdotes extolling and celebrating the “merely” useless and that which transcends any conceivable material interest.
Chusng Tzu, of course, is one of the pillars of traditional Chinese culture and a classical Chinese writer whose influence has helped form the traditional Chinese sensibility in its mature form.
It would seem that your Indian guy had to turn to anecdote and alternative culture to find an equivalent sensibility in the West, whereas in Chinese culture this attitude can be found heavily integrated into the mainstream!
Now, that doesn’t mean he is wrong – right now, mainstream Chinese culture may well be more obsessed with the instrumental and an appreciation for the “useless” may well find better expression among certain alternative streams in Western culture.
But “essentially” a feature of the Western mind, and “essentially” lacking among non-Westerners?
That is about as neat a reversal of reality as one could possibley encounter – precisely the distinctive “novelty” of the West for the past few centuries is its elevation of usefulness and material needs above all other considerations.
Even today in “peripheral” countries not oblsessed with “matching” the West one finds a pleasingly chaotic and seedy dysfunction that reflects a casual disinterest in “maximization” and similar ways of worshiping the material.
Even in Japan, even in India, you find compromises with values other than efficiency that would be extremely un-mainstream in the West.
Nevertheless I find this Indian guy extremely heartening and encouraging and as proving my point and nullifying yours 🙂
What is obviously happening is that the ancient spiritual yearning of Indians is growing dissatisfied with the rampant materialism of contemporary India and groping towards spiritual values.
The “metaphysical” character of Indians is reasserting itself even as it denies that it is widespread among Indians anymore – which may well be true, for the time being.
What we see here is a good example of a dialectical process that is fundamental to how this world of ours functions – alternative cultures emerge in the West that oppose the mainstream obsession with efficiency, and Indians who oppose similar developments in their homeland are asserting ancient Indian spirituality by finding it elsewhere.
And it is natural. As the West first underwent the processes that are destroying Indian spirituality, doesn’t it make sense that opposition would now also be more developed in the West?
Interestingly, what I find in India are vestiges and relics of an ancient spirituality that are being destroyed, whereas what Indians are finding in the West is the first budding shoots of a new spirituality that may show the way out of our hideous materialistic quagmire!
As I said in the beginning, I couldn’t possibly watch all that video – honestly I can’t stand the video format and much prefer the printed word – so if you care to, feel free to mention any point from those videos that you’d like me to discuss, if any, and I’d be happy to analyze it with you.
They only dislike the West for what it objectively did. Only for the Unequal Treaties, Opium Wars, Drug-dealing, Extraterritoriality, and Military Occupations.
They only say the West kicked China when China was already down, they don’t say the West brought China down in the first place – they blame themselves for that. There’s nothing SJW or whiny about the Chinese, but they do have a very very long memory.
They don’t ever say that the West is at fault for China’s decline and fall. Nope, the Chinese I have met all say that China is at fault for China’s fall, and that they dedicate themselves to work forever for China to rise.
Some may call that dedication “soulless”. I say it is what it is.
Nobody’s equating anything, he’s just pointing out the flaw in your argument.
what flaw?
and how was that comment not an attempt at equivalency? do tell oh anon.
No I meant , in the Indian subcontinent everybody is mixed.
Thanks for your analysis. It was great to read. However it would have been great if you could see one whole video at least as he talks about a wide variety of points. Besides he considers it a racial character rather than a civilizational character.
The anons are now forming a tag team against me. There are most certainly Asians in your lives.
Brahmins are mixed, they just have more Caucasoid ancestry in the mix. Everybody in India is mixed. Brahmins even in behaviour do not match the Brahmins of the ancient Vedic period. You are talking of peoples 3500 years ago, Vedic times. Long time for intermarriage.
Matthew 7:1-5 –> Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Post 386 answers well
Much more complicated than that.
Elite Hindus are complete vegetarians and look down upon meat eaters as barbarians. Mleccha was used by the ancient Indians originally to indicate uncouth foreigners and then extended to their unfamiliar behaviour, and also used as a derogatory term in the sense of “impure and/or “inferior” people.
The Baudhayana sutras define a mleccha as someone “who eats meat or indulges in self-contradictory statements or is devoid of righteousness and purity of conduct”. Mleccha could refer to any being who follow different teachings than Vedic beliefs. In the Bhagavata Purana, the term is used in the context of meat eaters, outcastes.
Pure Vegetarian diet is called Satvic. Meat eating is Tamasic (Negative) in Hindu Ayurveda.
Tamasic means having tama guna (negative quality). Tamasic makes the body and mind sluggish and slow, leading to torpor.
The tamasic foods include meat, fish, mushrooms, alcohol. In addition fermented foods, including vinegar, bread, pastries and cakes are tamasic. Stale, overripe or underripe, tasteless and rotten foods are also tamasic. Processed foods are tamasic, including those that are preserved in any way, canned or frozen. Overeating is also tamasic.
Satvic foods are considered good for the body and mind. This was summed up in the Bhagavad Gita:
When light which is wisdom streams forth from all the doors of the body, then it may be understood that the pure-clear modality (satva) is predominant. – Bhagavad Gita (14:11)
According to ancient Ayurveda, Tamasic food can destroy the body’s ability to fight disease and disrupt the proper functioning of the immune system. It can destructively alter brain function.
You are puncturing my hopes and illusions! But still, you might see merit in my thesis about small minorities which, when added to a strong mainstream and an intelligent immigration policy, can give a country the right kind of diversity – especially when the natives are breeding dysgenically (as is happening throughout the Anglosphere, including its Jewish populations, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and presumably in China, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea too). I see the similar number of subcontinental immigrants to Australia to those from China and the Chinese diaspora as unlikely to combine against the interests of the existing mainstream. At present Indians tend to be poorer than the Chinese – more likely to be students who get beaten up because living in cheap outer suburbs whereas Chinese are already becoming known as likely to finance the new swimming pool at a prestigious school – but the logic of their coming with skills, or as self financed students seems clear. (Mind you I was reminded of the bad first hand stories I have had from Australians doing business in India by being warned that some Indian-Australian real estate agents who were making attractive of development land had a reputation for sharp practice).
My hope is that these different groups of immigrant Australians (by no means a couple of monoliths and without obsessive racial unity just to add reality to the picture) are going to make modern prosperous liberal democracy work by keeping an element of meritocracy alive. I see Australia having a cynically oligarchic professional politicians’ Labor Party elected by buying the votes of the relatively unproductive many with the product of Australia’s good fortune and keeping Australia less efficient and productive than it could be. It will be hard to dislodge once they are ensconced. But maybe the newish Chinese and Indian element will at least offset the now opportunistic left wing Greens on Labor’s left to moderate the worst of Argentinian tendencies (think Peron and on and on)!
Nope open your narrow ethnocentric mind a bit and read John Derbyshire fairly. I’ve known him for 20 years and he’s no China hater. In fact, apart from a few dollops of often amusing contempt in lively language that he can throw around I wouldn’t even bother to look for hate in the amiable JD.
What do you think of Video one in that post 1:01:05 to 1:10:20
And trust me, I have friends who run businesses in India, my Dad ran a manufacturing unit, that Bangladesh worker incident is VERY common here. In the Indian subcontinent (and even parts of the Middle East and Africa, it is all cheatin and swindlin, cheatin and swindlin all around)
And video 3
53:49 to 1:04:25 minutes
You clearly do not know us Indians (and Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans). A few will behave as you hope, the vast majority, not much. Your dreams are gonna crash. Sorry to say that. Australia is screwed. Should have kept the White Australia policy.
But since Australia (like NZ and Canada) attracts high IQ educated Indians, you will see the problems with this immigration arise much later, after a latent time, it will be too late. With low IQ thugs (like some Muslim Lebanese and Sudanese migrants to Oz), you see the problems much faster.
Read V.S. Naipaul’s books, the noble prize winning Caribbean writer of Indian heritage. Indians are Indians and always will be Indians. I have seen 3rd generation Indians in Britain. The same cheatin & swindlin and clannishness (a little less thanks to the influence of British culture), the same third worldliness behind the first worldliness facade. Even Anglican Christian Indians!!
I hope you can get this from the regular output in The Weekend Australian of an old lefty friendly acquaintance who is a regular both on the ABC (PC left) and in Rupert Murdoch’s press.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/indian-visa-rejection-still-a-mystery/news-story/0116022062cc023750ec06903ec1700d
Comment?
I tried copying and pasting on my phone where Phillip Adams article came up because I am a subscriber. If you can’t get it I don’t want to give my sub details to the world but I could try copying and pasting on a computer. Do you know how to do it on a phone?
Actually many Indians in the west are turning into raging SJW crackpots, all because of jealousy and hatred for Whitey. Strangely many such Indian leftoid Hillary worshiping SJWs I know, support the ultra right winged Hindu fundamentalist BJP party back home in India. Nationalism for our tribe, Universalism for all other tribes.
People like Dinesh Disouza are a tiny minority and many American Asian Indians see him as a traitor. Some rich Indians are moving to the right because of economic reasons, but Indians being street smart cunning people do not believe in all this democracy nonsense and prefer supporting both parties. That is how Indian oligarchs operate in India, financially support all political parties (BJP, Congress, AAP, AIDMK, SP etc…), so whoever comes to power, you keep your crony connections in the government. This is common knowledge here.
Too late. As one of the “as long as they don’t frighten the horses” school I voted No because I thought there were more conscientous decent people likely to be upset by a Yes vote than by a No vote given that there was no legal necessity for change to give people equal rights over property etc.
The democratic process gets corrupted as more and more heterogeneous (multiracialism/multiculturalism) the population of a nation becomes.
https://www.whitenationalism.com/ls/ls-01.htm
Here we see an article written by an Economist from Harvard University arguing that when diverse ethnic or racial groups fall under a power of a single government, they tend to use the political process as a means of extracting advantages for their own group at the expense of others.
In India, being a multi cultural mega mess, elections at the grass root level is just getting a candidate of your own caste/tribe/religion into power, irrespective of their competence. That is why democracy in India at the ground level is a joke and is not at all suitable for a country (multicultural mix mess) like India.
Check out this video from 13:37 to 16:15 as well as 20:32 to 23:20 minutes . The person on the chair is Markandey Katju, ex Chief Justice of India (he knows what he is talking about).
He clearly states how democracy has failed in India as people vote like idiots on the basis of caste, tribe, ethnic group, religion etc…. This is very likely the future of Western societies as the West becomes more and more multiracial/multicultural.
Very interesting. Typical Indian government behaviour by the …well Indian government.
This article in an Indian paper
https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/why-did-india-deny-australian-radio-legend-phillip-adams-a-visa/story-1su56eNg9hr2ITz4pWggFL.html
speculates it could be because of Phillip Adams expose of the Adani group, an Indian oligarchic corporation’s plans to develop a coal mine in Australia and in the process damage the Great barier reef.
India is basically a giant oligarchy and the Adanis are one of the big families who control it. The Adanis are very close to the present Indian government, Gautam Adani, the CEO is a Gujrati (mercantile people) just like PM Narendra Modi. The guy was a nobody some decades ago but because of his crony connections to Modi when Modi was Chief Minister of Gujrat State, suddenly became a multi billionaire. He funded Modi’s election campaign.
Here we can see candidate Modi on an Adani private jet on his election campaign.
Once in power Modi paid back Adani with largese and cancelled his penalties he owed to the government.
https://www.dailyo.in/politics/gautam-adani-narendra-modi-vibrant-gujarat-corruption-acche-din-mundra-project-sbi-coal-mining-chhattisgarh-tribal-rights-rs-200-crore/story/1/11531.html
Modi government cancels Rs 200cr penalty: Achhe din for Adani only?
‘Acche Din’ means ‘Good Days’ in Hindi, that was the elction slogan of PM Modi last elections. Good Days for Indians if he got elected.
https://thewire.in/149156/modi-government-adani-group/
Modi Government’s Rs 500-Crore Bonanza to the Adani Group
1 crore Rupees = 10 million Rupees.
So it seems, India a country of more than a billion with nukes makes decisions based on the interests of a slimeball private company! GREATTT!!!!
The crony Adani group has decimated the environment and the lives of poor villages in many parts of India, they have the backing of the government to do as they please.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/06/27/modi-adani-old-friends-laying-waste-indias-environment/
Modi and Adani: the old friends laying waste to India’s environment
This was the slimey greedy Indian corporation which was going to develop the Carmichael mine in Australia and dredge the Great barrier Reef. The Adanis had bought politicians in Canberra. Phillip Adams must have worked on exposing him. And now his Visa denial was a revenge by Oligarch Gautam Adani.
More on his poor environmental record in India and the threat his company posed to the Great Barrier Reef in the video below.
Can We Trust Adani with the Great Barrier Reef? GetUp! Australia
“The great event in China’s twentieth-century history was Mao Tse-tung’s revolution. Mao boasted that he would re-make China into a socialist utopia. No such thing happened. In fact nothing much happened. There was a spell of turmoil, to be sure; but when the dust settled, all was as before under Heaven.”
Twaddle. Mao did more good–and less harm–for more people than anyone in history. Why do you think 10,000,000 people visit his birthplace each year, despite official efforts to discourage them?
When Mao stepped onto the world stage in 1945 his country was convulsed by civil war, Russia had taken Mongolia and a piece of Xinjiang, Japan still occupied three northern provinces, Britain had taken Hong Kong, Portugal Macau, France pieces of Shanghai, Germany Tsingtao, and America dominated the opium trade.
In 1949 China was agrarian, backward, feudalistic, ignorant and violent. Of its four hundred million people, fifty-million were drug addicts, eighty percent could neither read nor write and life expectancy was thirty-five years. Peasants paid seventy percent of their produce in rent, women’s feet were bound, desperate mothers sold their children in exchange for food and poor people, preferring slavery to starvation, sold themselves. U.S. Ambassador John Leighton Stuart reported that, during his second year in China, ten million people starved to death in three provinces. The Japanese had killed twenty-million and General Chiang Kai-Shek wrote that, of every thousand youths he recruited, barely a hundred survived the march to training base.
By 1974 Mao had doubled the population, doubled life expectancy, reunited, reimagined, reformed and revitalized the largest, oldest civilization on earth, modernized it after a century of failed modernizations, liberated more women than anyone in history and ended thousands of years of famines. A strategist without peer, political innovator, he was a master geopolitician and a Confucian peasant, under crushing embargoes Mao had grown GDP by 7.3 percent annually and left the country debt-free.
Harvard’s professor of Chinese Studies, John King Fairbanks, summarized[1] his legacy: “The simple facts of Mao’s career seem incredible: in a vast land of 400 million people, at age 28 with a dozen others to found a party and in the next fifty years to win power, organize, and remold the people and reshape the land–history records no greater achievement. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, all the kings of Europe, Napoleon, Bismarck, Lenin–no predecessor can equal Mao Tse-tung’s scope of accomplishment, for no other country was ever so ancient and so big as China. Indeed Mao’s achievement is almost beyond our comprehension”. [Fairbanks, The United States and China].
Looking back through the lens of economic habits, practices, stats and reports, we can impute the scale of Mao’s achievement. He’s called the founder of modern China because he designed and laid the foundation on which the economy and civil society rests. In doing so, he rejected, for example, the Soviet practice of building gigantic, centralized industrial facilities in the name of ‘efficiency’ and instead created the most decentralized (to this day) economy on earth. And that’s less than 1% of his foundational role.
These three articles examine each of Mao’s most famous campaigns:
https://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered/?highlight=mao
https://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered-part-two-whose-famine/
https://www.unz.com/article/the-great-proletarian-cultural-revolution/
To those who loved it, it was called the “Third Reich”.
No, there is a tiny minority that is Caucasian. You’re shilling for Chinese, Korean, Japanese women.
Corvinus – ancient Egypt and ancient India are important to the West. They built two great civilizations which still have meaning and value for the West today. They were Caucasian and Aryan before they mixed with blacks/Asians. We must learn from this.
As to the Bible, and man being in God’s image, well a new interpretation of these lines is needed. IQ is the measure of man. And this measure reveals certain physical patterns.
I am still a Christian and follow Christian rules. However, I am also grateful that I was born Caucasian, healthy and with an IQ of 90+. This is the new trinity for the West. This new trinity will help us in our spiritual growth and the salvation of the West. I thank God for these gifts and the extra bonus of being born in the USA.
Well, unlike all sorts of “Internet Trolls” you seem a very honest and sincere person. Based on all of your comments, I fully agree that you probably have an IQ of about 91…
No, its on 100yrs lease term. Margaret wet dream of unsinkable permanent aircraft carrier next door, Deng showed her middle finger.
Flaw: different people having different mores doesn’t tell you about whether said mores are good, bad, or neither.
“When Mao stepped onto the world stage in 1945 his country was convulsed by civil war, Russia had taken Mongolia and a piece of Xinjiang, Japan still occupied three northern provinces, Britain had taken Hong Kong, Portugal Macau, France pieces of Shanghai, Germany Tsingtao, and America dominated the opium trade. ”
North, south and east, you forgot west. In the west India took a piece of South Tibet, which increases to the whole of South Tibet when India grabbed Tawang in 1951. In 1987 India made South Tibet an Indian state and named it Arunachal Pradesh.
Hong Kong was ceded to Britain in three separate treaties. The first one Treaty of Nanking ceded the Hong Kong island to Britain in perpetuity. The 99 years lease you referred to is from the subsequent treaties regarding the ‘New Territories’.
Why single out China but not other countries? Many eat dog meat as delicacy, its a long traditional winter tonic in TCM.
Many Koreans, Aseans eat dog meats, go nuke them. This winter Olympics some shops refused to temporary remove dog meat from their menu to avoid embarrassment. They hang dog carcass with skin stripped like a cow in all shop fronts. I didn’t accept offer to try.
Do you eat pork? Common, pigs have been proven more intelligent than dogs, but how you feast on them without slightest feel? Juz bcos msm don’t show you how they are been treated in farm. And you didn’t keep pig as pet, they are great pets imo.
Cow is as intelligent, will cry before been slaughter. Some pictures show they knee down to Sri Lankan monks after been save from butcher. Hindu will go riot massacre Muslims if anyone kill a cow in some part of India.
You eat goose? They are as smart & make good guards in borders…long list to go. Don’t fix your little value on others long history.
Do you nude Fukus for creating ISIS cannibals that eat human liver or heart? Cut your hypocrisy.
Be a vegan & start harass all non vegan huh? All animals suffer greatly for our food, minimize if can’t avoid, that’s real message we should propagate.
So am i. Haven’t receive a single cents from Xi & Putin yet, you got yours? Gonna switch side to Yankee to pay for my mobile data, no broadband in 3rd world.
ROFLMAO means?
You can’t, your capitalism already sold your country long time ago. Your marrow are sucked dried. Go into any shop or Walmart, you know…. not juz china make, its wherever cheap labour exist, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia,…
You won’t want pay a saggy thin cheap Tees made in US for $20 when a China good one goes for $3. Soon you have to take C919 China plane for budget fair i guaranteed you. Hhhhhhh
The problem is that if you oppose China’s several millennia-long effort to bring All Under Heaven into the Chinese realm, one annexation at a time, as a result of the fairly consistent quest of China’s rulers for historical immortality, you are a China hater. White, black, yellow or brown, the entire world is destined to be Chinese. The need for war will be obviated once benevolent Chinese rule is established around the globe. Why would one province fight another?
Another 20yrs you will eat China food only when Monsanto killed all your fertile lands and seeds, pesticides & Shale gas frackling pollute all your water(Nestle will sell you bottled from Amazon largest water reserved). If you can’t beat them, join them. Migrate… before too late when whitish lost all advantage(IQ already drop below most)
Xi has already embarked on Go Organics campaign. see Cuba? Multiply 1000000x.
Ok. That’s why his Chinese wife yet to bite off his d***. But those books he & Ron recommended are biased rubbish whining on old China bullock carts when their rocket already taken off, waste my time.
What IQ you are talking kid?
Your average Indian iq is 85 gone case, matured countries White European & US are 90+. Subpar. Developing EAsians are over 100, with much larger population and many illiterate to be upgraded, hence big potential for another 10~20 increase. 90 vs 120. Bye bye… Gone with the wind, malla is singing……
wipe clean your ass and prepare your white uniforms to cut my toe nails like you did for British Raj.
Thks Malla & Denk. How about pasting pics from jpeg file directly, i see Daniel Cheah & others did. Cut & paste don’t work.
Late to see this page, was wonder where you 2 perfect soulmates have gone to so quiet when i troll for putin in another. Many new articles don’t appear in my unz.com page until later, bcos im using mobile page?
Wrong Ron Unz. But if it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe it. I know Jews think they are the smartest tribe ever. Not.
“…developing EAsians,” that’s an oxymoron. There’s nothing to develop. They hit their peak and are sliding down the hill. The only intelligent Asians are the Japanese. And it took the West to show them how to use the few brains they have.
I believe China 天下 All under Heaven only restrict to their own 中原Middle Kingdom, the rest including southern Guangzhou, Tibet, Xinjiang are classified uncivilized barbarians to be at most, associated as vassal. But they are lucky to fall into China hands due to history, so automatically get the free fast speed high rail links to good life. We have to pay for it & work hard to be their vassal for some bread scums.
Chinese are too clever to avoid this. Like Duke of Qin said, you benevolently colonized these lesser people, they gonna flood your rich countries like what USEU facing now. Leave them alone, non interference, help them grow fat in economy to fuel your trade.
yea, and my original comment was telling renfro to stop hating because of someone’s preference in meat 🙂
you need to follow the comment chain anon 🙂
Ron has been really kind on you, be grateful.
90.1 is at best.
Jews are proven smart, at least in my circle. But they drive you crazy with their persistent way to get what they want, so jews wife, No Way. Wife is for good slave companion, not master.
Oxymoron is commenting on who? Be realistic, you come UNZ is to pick up better ideas, not puke narcissistic rubbish. Go some white nationalism or Indian sites to graze.
Asians have large population of old illiterate or less educated. They will soon die, replace by new generation getting ever better education in 20yrs time. Not just China, but Vietnam 100M, Asean 300M. They are future Singapore or HK by hundreds times.
West are developed to full, no more room to further educate, you can’t have everyone make a scientist. Declination is sure with people shunting STEM for non productive finance, influx of low grade migrants, self destruction policies in declining education system, wars, hollow out industries, under funded health care…
Sorry, too complex for oxymoron 90.1 IQ understanding. I strongly doubt you have inflate it, 85 is obvious, don’t pretend to be whitish European although North Indian is quite fair.
Many murkkan dumb fucks actually call me ‘wumao’ , those !@#$%^!
FOFLMAO = rolling on the floor laughing my ass off !
cant copy an image and paste ,
must copy its url,
I use searx.me as example cuz google deprive us of that ‘privilege’ now,”
for example if you search ‘deputy sheriff’ in searx.me then
click on the image tag on top, you get pages of pics,
click on the image you want,
click on the ‘get image’ button below,’
copy url,
paste into your comment.,
RU will do the rest !
url is the link inside the address bar on top
What are you smoking? Attilathehen is White American, not Indian.
Wait! Germany, Austria, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland & Italy outscore China in IQ tests. Great Britain and New Zealand score equal.
I’m not North Indian. But again you reveal yourself. The Jews you know are smart. I’ve known lots of Jews. Some are smart. Most are average. You’re “white-knighting” Asians again. “Wife is for good slave companion…,” did you import an Asian woman like Derbyshire?
Oh please,
It were the KMT who actually fought the Japanese Empire Army (no easy feat) losing 3 million of their best men while the Commies under Mao built up their strength in the countryside. And do not forget that Western banking elites back stabbed the KMT in favour of the Communists.
https://thediplomat.com/2014/09/the-ccp-didnt-fight-imperial-japan-the-kmt-did/
The CCP Didn’t Fight Imperial Japan; the KMT Did
While the KMT military defended China against Japan during WWII, the CCP built up strength for the civil war.
“(Japan) doesn’t have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d’état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!”
Mao Zedong telling the Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei in Nanjing, 1972 to take back his apology
Chairman Mao praising Japan’s contribution to his war effort conversation with American journalist Edgar Snow, 1970
“Those Japanese were real good. Without Japanese’s help, China’s [Communist] revolution would not have suceeded. I said the same thing to a Japanese, a capitalist, by the name of nanxiang sanlang(?).He kept on saying: ‘Sorry, we did invade China’ I said to him: ‘Don’t say that, on the contrary, Japanese helped us (Communist) in a big way’, especially Japanese warlords and the Japanese Emperor.”
Mao Zedong’s communists were on the retreat across China from the Republic of China until Japan’s timely intervention saved him. The Republic of China’s military suffered over 3 million casualties from their best trained and equipped units fighting Japan, as well as over 20 million civilian deaths.
The Republic of China was obligated (even though Chiang Kai Shek stalled as long as he could as he considered other Chinese greater threat than the Japanese Empire) to defend her civilians against invaders which meant pitched battles in urban environments against the brunt of Japanese mechanized forces, while Mao Zedong could afford to retreat into the countryside and fight a guerrilla war ambushing small groups of Japanese soldiers.
By the time the Japanese Empire was defeated, Mao had regained his strength (thousands of Japanese who surrendered were even recruited to Mao’s forces) and finished off the weakened Republic.
And then Mao invited some Japanese “war criminals” over to mainland China
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/15/national/to-normalize-ties-mao-turned-to-war-criminal/#.Uxw-5PmSx8E
Mao is known to have said in 1956 that had the Japanese army not come to China, the Chinese Communist Party would still be in remote areas and unable to visit Beijing to watch Beijing opera, a comment taken to mean he did not completely reject Japan’s wartime militarism.
Mao was too busy making business deals with Japanese to bother condemning them for the war, and for him his main enemy was always the Republic of China (That was now holed up in Taipei and the jungles of Burma, trying to get the US to back a counter-invasion of the mainland). Getting Japan to acknowledge the PRC over the RoC was a higher priority for him.
Sliding Down the hill? Really. China is developing like crazy and will probably develop much further. That is why China does not want a war, they do not need one unlike the American deep state needs wars.
The Chinese are not dumb to try Hannification of dark Caucasian browns and blacks. The Chinese were smart to Hannify racially similar Mongoloids living in the land of China. In some cases they did Hannify South East Asian like populations in the South and Mongoloid Caucasoid hybrid populations (mixed with Tocharians) in the North West, but mostly on racially similar people. Even the Koreans remained a distinct culture.
This Anglicization, Frankization, Dutchization process on non Whites is the crap Whites tried on populations in Africa, Indian subcontinent etc…. thanks partly to the universality of Christian ideology and are today paying the price. A lot of angry pissed off ungrateful darkies. The darkies should have been left to their primitive or despotic states. If the Japanese would have attempted the same in India or the Middle East, they would be suffering too today.
Even the Russians are paying for Russification of Muslim Stans, there are now millions of muslims in Moscow, but even the Russified non White peoples had some geographical continuity with the Russian Slavs.
Thanks Malla. Once again, these “anon” characters out themselves. My suspicion is that most are Jews, gentiles/Jews with Asians wives, RCC cucks.
I consistently lay out facts and they come back with the most bizarre attacks. Most of the comments are simple and ignore facts. I always say “cherchez la femme/le homme/la famille” and you will get the measure of the person. Ron Unz is Jewish and I laugh at the anti-Semitisim of many of the commentators. Yet, when I ask them what we should do with the Jews, they never give me an answer. I support Israel because that is where Jews belong. I read the articles and comments on several other websites, from AmRen to the Daily Stormer. Anytime someone blames the Jews for everything, that’s a red flag. Yes, the Jews do cause problems, but only because the cuck Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer/gentile Freemason male lets him get away with it. I state IQ is the most objective, measurable reality there is and they say I’m subpar. The answers to the West’s problems are simple: separation of the blacks/Asians/Jews from the Caucasian/Europeans.
Your “Xi has already embarked….” suggests an autodidact’s blindspot. It is a commonplace truism of historians (and I recommend to you Eric Jones “The European Miracle”) that one of the reasons that China did not make the great leap from the Malthusian to the modern age on its own despite its many intelligent industrious people and resources was its centralism. As recently as Mao huge mistakes resulted from excessive centralised exercise of power. Mind you the whole world has benefitef from the one child policy even though it may have been too harsh and too comprehensive for the Chinese people (though not I think disastrous – indeed the worst problem may be having to decide how to treat a few million subcontinenttal aged care workers: couldn’t be worse than the Arab model..)
Why do you choose (I pay you the compliment of accepting that you choose) to sound both silly and offensive at the same time? Unless you are a very warped or inadequate personality you could not possibly be an ethnically East Asian person with any feeling of self esteem as such or any standing in your adopted environment. So… A silly person wanting to spoil the conversation of his betters? The figures you quote are the complete proof that you are not a person to be taken seriously other than as a troll who, unfortunately, cannot be barred.
Pigs can be good pets but cannot be Man’s best friends like Canines. The connection between dogs and humans is special and unique in nature. Do you come home from work to have a fat piggie jump on your lap and lick your face and show you love? Some do but it is not common.
https://phys.org/news/2016-03-explores-prehistoric-relationship-humans-dogs.html
Researcher explores close prehistoric relationship between humans and dogs
From
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/200904/why-are-humans-and-dogs-so-good-living-together
Why are humans and dogs so good at living together?
Domesticating each other?
Dogs were the first domestic animal with whom we developed a close association. Mitochondrial DNA research suggests that most domestic dogs have been genetically separate from wolves for at least 100,000 years so that we have associated with dogs for as long as we have been around as a species (Homo sapiens). Indeed, some enthusiasts, including Colin Groves of the Australian National University, in Canberra, believe that our success as a species is partly due to help from dogs (3).
According to Groves: “The human-dog relationship amounts to a very long lasting symbiosis. Dogs acted as human’s alarm systems, trackers, and hunting aides, garbage disposal facilities, hot water bottles, and children’s guardians and playmates. Humans provided dogs with food and security. The relationship was stable over 100,000 years or so, and intensified in the Holocene into mutual domestication. Humans domesticated dogs and dogs domesticated humans.”
Relying on dogs to hear the approach of danger and to sniff out the scent of prey animals, our ancestors experienced a decline in these sensory abilities compared to other primates. This conclusion is confirmed by shrinkage of brain regions devoted to these senses (the olfactory bulb and lateral geniculate body).
From
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-dogs-stole-our-hearts
If you think of your dog as your “fur baby,” science has your back. New research shows that when our canine pals stare into our eyes, they activate the same hormonal response that bonds us to human infants.
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Kikusui and his colleagues convinced 30 of their friends and neighbors to bring their pets into his lab. They also found and reached out to a few people who were raising wolves as pets. When each owner brought his or her animal into the lab, the researchers collected urine from both and then asked the owners to interact with their animal in a room together for 30 minutes. During this time, the owners typically petted their animals and talked to them. Dogs and their owners also gazed into each other’s eyes, some for a total of a couple of minutes, some for just a few seconds. (The wolves, not surprisingly, didn’t make much eye contact with their owners.) After the time was up, the team took urine samples again.
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The results suggest that human-dog interactions elicit the same type of oxytocin positive feedback loop as seen between mothers and their infants, the team reports online today in Science. And that, in turn, may explain why we feel so close to our dogs, and vice versa.
Yup. The only solution.
“I consistently lay out facts” but so often they aren’t even factoids but mere, sometimes eccentric, expressions of personsl opinion – like your view of who is ugly! Even your statement about IQ being the most objective measurable reality is amateurish or careless, certainly unsophisticated and not accurate except perhaps on Humpty Dumpty terms. E.g. there are many different IQ tests that correlate quite well but produce somewhat different scores and produce different scores even on the same tests at different times. Let’s just look at your simple “most” a typical overstatement by your fact-telling self. When testing of IQs can give a range of 110 to 140 for a single individual – not even to rely on a case I know where it was 183 and 137 – how does the “objectivity” of IQ testing stand up against measurement of height or weight – or population suze or age come to think of it? And you may care to consider how rapidly the average IQs of the (Western) educated classes have been declining since family planning took off 150 years ago. That last needs elaboration as I would like to think you understand.
Can you provide citations for your Mao quotes, please? They sound bogus.
Is there any proof this is true? Where’s the evidence that lower-caste and upper-caste Indians significantly vary in IQ?
In 1966, Chopra looked at test scores and grades by caste. Here’s what he found among Indian castes.
Grades
Brahmin: 242.6
Kshatriya: 247.5
Vaishya: 259
Shudra: 241.5
India Average: 241.9
Cognitive test scores
Brahmin: 38.8
Kshatriya: 39.4
Vaishya: 41.8
Shudra: 35.7
India Average: 38.6
Das and Khurana found that socioeconomic status was the most important variable impacting test scores. Caste differences were not significant on non-verbal tests like Ravens, but were larger on verbal tests.
Brahmins don’t seem to constitute any sort of cognitively gifted group of individuals. Their advantages derive from their greater wealth, not natural ability.
https://gnosticwarrior.com/dogs-human-dna.html
Did you know dogs have human DNA?
Here is an excerpt from National Geographic that helps explain this for you:
Scientists have completed a rough sketch of the canine genome. The results may explain why dogs are humans’ best friend: Their genes are similar.
“Dogs suffer from more than 350 genetic disorders, many of which resemble human conditions,” said Ewen Kirkness, a molecular biologist at the Institute for Genomic Research in Rockville, Maryland who led the research. “The genes responsible for these are probably constant to humans and dogs.”
The sequencing indicates that dog and human genomes are more similar to each other than either is to the mouse, though it appears the dog lineage diverged first from the common ancestor.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0925_030925_doggenes.html
Human, Dog Genomes Similar, Study Finds
Dogs are important to researchers because they can be used as biomedical models for understanding human diseases. The top ten diseases among purebred dogs include several that afflict humans, including cancer, epilepsy, heart disease, allergy, retinal disease and cataracts.
You can get more info here
http://u.osu.edu/mclc/2016/07/02/truth-of-mao-zedongs-collusion-with-the-japanese-army-1/
Truth of Mao Zedong’s Collusion with the Japanese Army (1)
On the contrary, during the Sino-Japanese War, Mao Zedong concentrated his efforts on conspiring with the Japanese army to weaken the KMT forces. He planted communist spies such as Pan Hannian in the Japanese Foreign Ministry’s local agency Maison Iwai and sold KMT military intelligence obtained from the National Government in Chongqing through the KMT-CPC Cooperation to the Japanese at a high price, creating an environment in which it was easy for the Japanese military to deal blows to the KMT forces.
And that is not all.
Mao Zedong sent Communist spies to make direct contact with the Japanese army, even going as far as to propose a truce between the CPC forces and the Japanese army.
This paper compares and contrasts Japanese sources, such as Memories of Shanghai, the memoir of Iwai Eiichi, and Chinese sources to examine questions such as “what did Mao Zedong do during the Sino-Japanese War?” and “how did the CPC forces grow stronger?”
..snip….
After the creation of the PRC, Mao Zedong frequently recruited generals from the former Imperial Japanese Army. The reason was that these generals did, in fact, collaborate as military advisors, for example, Okamura Yasuji from the former Japanese Imperial Army (former general, former commander-in-chief of the China Expeditionary Army) established the Paidan (White Team) to realize the return to mainland China of Chiang Kai-shek who had fled to Taiwan. And so Mao Zedong tried to recruit Okamura to draw him over to his own side at any cost, but Okamura refused. And so Endo Saburo (former Lieutenant General) was singled out. It was in 1956, the year after Pan Hannian was imprisoned, that Mao Zedong met with Endo Saburo. Those who knew directly that Mao Zedong had conspired with the Japanese army were no longer around.
When Mao Zedong met former members of the Imperial Japanese Army or leftwing Japanese, he said over and over again in many different ways that he was grateful to the Imperial Japanese Army (see Mao Zedong on Diplomacy for further details).
AS FAR AS THE QUOTES
From
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/13/are-japan-and-china-really-ancient-enemies-or-is-this-something-much-newer/?utm_term=.f03a48b58c6e
The real roots of China-Japan tensions – Washington Post
Well it seems Japan always wanted good relationships with China from the very onset of the PRC. It is only the USA which gets in the way.
From
https://www.iiss.org/en/iiss%20voices/blogsections/iiss-voices-2013-1e35/july-2013-a513/china-japan-fixing-be66
William Choong: Fixing Japan–China relations
A tiny minority looks pure White but are not White. All are mixed today.
Check this out
There are no pure Europeans (orange bands in the above pic) in the Indian subcontinent anymore. All mixed up, even brahmins. But Brahmins tend to have more Euro in them, no doubt.
So what crack did you give these European to booster their IQ? Sell me some.
Sorry for mistaken Attila-the-hen as IQ81 Indian, he is self declared white Caucasian in US of IQ90.++ but talk like 81. Ron is generous to give him 91 and he still grumble.
Let’s look at facts:don’t fool ourselves, otherwise you deserve to be in shithole. Now UK students prefer China mathematics teachers.
China consistently IQ104~105, rank 3rd~4th in every test. Will accelerate higher as education improved with better economy, more single child grown up. Every year 20M new baby, 1M new engineer.
No.1 IQ HK & SG are their descendants of peasant class as someone pointed out. They are No1 in PISA, Mathematics, Science, Reading,… China can’t go worst than their peasant class given similar education.
Not single European country is in top10 for 10yrs ave studies. US, Fr, Austr are all below 100 Subpar. don’t distort IQ test result just to make your US master happy. Now he is patting your head, good malla, thanks malla…
US IQ98, rank26. Will accelerate lower as more illegal immigrants joining, more skip STEM, poverty, health deteriorate, opiod abuse….
India IQ81, on par with Zimbabwe & Saudi Arabia. Sorry, My mistake to say its 85. Under Modi, good chance to reach Tanzania 71.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country#
I kept dogs, from German Shepard to poodle and wild mongrels. You don’t understand if you never have.
Mongrel is the smartest, obedient, loyal and eat whatever always ready to serve you. Shepard… better don’t jump on my lap, expensive to keep…Poodle forget it, no food no friend. Vet always burn a hole in my pocket when they sick or infested with ticks.
You sure pigs don’t look you in the eyes deeply, lick you gently and cuddle on your foot? Some kept piggy as pets or to snoke out expensive mushrooms(forget the name), they eat whatever and are juz as gd as mongrel, when you decide its fat enough for food, no one threaten to nuke you.
I didn’t import a Asian wife, i dumped her like a poison snake.
You are right, My Jewish friend just corrected me, not all jews are smart, visit Israel you will see plenty of fool. Those in US are the better qualified one. Same for other ethnics.
Sorry for trolling you, little evil inside me like to poke fun sometime. Don’t boast IQ when we are on losing side, Shssss…else all know we are retard subpar. 😉
Sorry forget this.
This make me chuckle too…but he got a good point. I will grade him A for out of box thinking, reminding of what i read:
美国人四处强剪别人的羊毛，
中国人四处自己养羊剪不完。
Literally means
Murkans shear others sheep fur by force everywhere(short term greed)
Chinese raise sheeps for endless supply everywhere(long term greed)
The West can learn something from this, instead of making war everywhere to grab others resource, help others to develop, hence growing their market for more trade.
Daniel, i always find your comments exceptional knowledgeable, factual, non confrontation and persuasive. Ron should consider invite you to be one blogger here for Chinese matter. I believe even our whitish friends here will findgreat pleasure in your good informative writing.
Hmmm this is interesting and a bit surprising. Really does put these tests into question. Were they peer reviewed?
That is because in India there are quotas in jobs and education for lower caste populations (SCs and STs) and even then they are under performing groups. And these reservations are going on for decades.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/iits-to-offer-relaxation-to-disabled-at-par-with-scs-sts/articleshow/4350488.cms
IITs to offer relaxation to disabled at par with SCs, STs
“”The physically disabled candidates will get same relaxation as that is available to candidates belonging to SC/ST categories. ”
Now the IITs in India are some of the hardest institutes to get in, there is this entrance exam which millions give and only a few are selected. For lower castes, the cut off is lower as they have quotas to fill.
More here
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IITs-to-lower-cut-offs-for-SCs/STs/articleshow/3400876.cms
IITs to lower cut-offs for SCs/STs
Directors of the premier Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT) have decided to lower entry levels for Scheduled Caste (SC) and Scheduled Tribe (ST) students even further to cope with the issue of reserved seats falling vacant.
But even this is not helping
https://www.theapolitical.in/india/iits-social-inclusion-test-iits-filled-13-03-sc-reserved-seats-2016-2017
IITs social inclusion test: Only 13.03% SC reserved seats filled up in 2016-2017
Lower castes are still not getting through even with lower cut offs!!!
There is something very fishy with that IQ tests. But I still believe that the IQ gap is not as huge as many upper caste Hindus make it out to be as upper caste Indians and lower caste Indians are genetically not that different to each other. it is not like White South Africans vs black South Africans. It is more like Brazil than South Africa.
Now as far as poorer Indians behaving like gypsies, that is true.
Lower caste Indians in Malaysia have become a Hispanic like population of gangs. Most are lower caste background.
Same with many Indians in Canada. Many Lower caste Tamils are Gangbanging like Hispanics, in London
Indians in Canada behaving like Gypsies
Watch the first part, Little India in Singapore is as dirty as India. Indians take their habits everywhere.
I had a similar experience in SF’s Chinatown in 1988, having heard all about the electronics bargains to be had there and while trying to get a lower price on a Japanese camera. They didn’t actually throw me from the shop, but made it very plain I was wasting my time and theirs.
(importing from China direct is … interesting. A lot of people give up and let an importer take the strain along with his cut.)
In Philippines, its illegal to divorce, abortion, contraception…. bcos RC said so. Crimes, drugs, poverty, HIV, terrorists are fueling by explosive population.
80% of Philippino are RCatholic, under church bishops sway to influence election & politicians. These powerful bishops are appointed by a foreign Pope. And who select Pope & give instruction? See the matrix of power play. China will has the hell greatest nightmare to allow this most stupid Philippines nonsense to subjugate its country by foreign force.
Some talented friends quit their successful corporate life to do China underground church missionary like Newman’s innocent friend. Bcos Chinese ethnic is less suspected by CPC religion affair. But Instruct by who, For who, For what? Didn’t China has many public churches, why need underground churches? They told its death sentence if caught, but for love of god…they disappeared.
Someone enthusiastically passed me their godly worshipped (Jewish look)pastor CD to listen. It praise Hebrew as only God’s language every few mins, urging all followers to defend Israel otherwise Jesus can’t resurrect in Jerusalem soon….a hidden message they listen nonstop playing the CD everywhere.
When i question them do they understand this hidden message, they don’t even know..only god words from bible they said…. already subconsciously brainwashed.
And their gov leaders, ministers, top civil servants, judges are all attending these mega churches at prestige locations. They Christianized and Catholicized the whole government by bringing in their own believers, grant illegally hundreds of millions/lands to build mega churches.
Flush with money, they mushroom everywhere in heartlands, flourish with modern concerts, theatre like services, mega donations drive, attracting all young & old…wielding great influence.
When the pope visit, their country leaders knee down with absolute faith and eye balls rolling up into ecstasy.
Can CPC leaders accept such subjugation by foreign controlled bishops?
Newman friend is fortunate for not been prosecuted under China strictest religion subversion clause for promoting foreign religion under disguise of running a cafe.
They complaint about schism due to China insistence to appoint own Bishop instead of letting a Western Pope decide.
The all powerful Religion Affair Office is the only dept my influential China friends failed to bribe. Every religion activities are tightly monitor since US HQ-Falungong had given CPC a shocking heart attack involving hundred of millions people including high ranking party members.
Do you still feel sorry for his ignorant friend unsuccessful underground subversion activities? Try Shenzhen next time…. OMG!
Its not juz Philippine, many Asian countries are already happening…. underground…. like the Qin dynasty opium war time West religion missionary, so much love for China.
I would be interested in the most credible figures from properly researched IQ measures in India but I can’t help believing that 1000 years of surviving by removing other people’s fecal waste is not going to select well for high cognitive ability. When an “untouchable” rises to a position of significance I would guess that he had one or two exceptionaly pretty foremothers….
I asked not for more unsupported allegations but for official Chinese documentation and transcripts of Mao’s meetings and direct quotes.
attilathehen has thoroughly demonstrated that he is not that bright with his repeated lies. It was not a judgement on my part, but a statement of fact. Many people have ripped this passage out of context. Jesus here is NOT warning us NOT to discern truth from error, nor does He NOT oppose offering correction.
“As to the Bible, and man being in God’s image, well a new interpretation of these lines is needed. IQ is the measure of man. And this measure reveals certain physical patterns.”
The new interpretation coming from YOU, not God.
“I am still a Christian and follow Christian rules.”
You are not adhering to God when YOU insist that Christians, and God Himself, must change how man is measured.
You are a charlatan.
I do not see why that little statement on Go Organic farming got to do with autodidact blindspot. Its a most sane way of sustainable farming, Cuba has show case to the world but not to capitalist delight.
May be you juz want to warn about the danger of one man centralized power system.
I have no knowledge about centralized vs decentralized power system. So i can only share my observation, taking US vs China as two most distinctive power system case. Correct me if im wrong.
A decentralized power like US with two parties, congress, justice dept, state organs interlocking may appear to be safe system to prevent any perpetual dictator disaster. But look at what happen, a people elected Potus is totally paralyzed and humiliated with Congress & non-elected states organs like judges(that can overturn all gov decisions, or at least delayed with tedious legal process), with CIA & FBI sabotaging elected highest admin without consequence.
Voted along party lines, politicians blocked any bills not to their advantage, even to have entire nation admin lock down with budget as a tool for ransom.
Every Potus then tried to stack his men in every state departments & organs esp the group of highest federal judges(that can overwrite everything) regardless of their ability & experience to consolidate its future power among decentralized power. These also serve for long term party influence regardless who win the next election.
Politicians then spent more time and energy preparing for next election and sabotaging opposing party than governing the country. Is this really a better working safe decentralized system?
Has this decentralized system prevent any clown like Trumps & Bush from getting elected & ascending to the world highest power, Potus?
Has this decentralized two parties system help prevent every tyranny corrupted Potus like …Clintons, Bush, Obama… heap havocs & illegal wars in entire US long history, squandering trillions, without any consequence?
Excessive Centralized power has two faces, under a benevolent wise leader (like DengXP, Lee Kuang Yew), it work miraculously for the people welfare and nation development in best efficiency to execute long term plan. Under unwise cruel power hungry dictator(Hitler, Stalin, Mao), its uncontrollable disastrous.
Now look at China case, Xi may appeared to has centralized the power to unprecedented level, just beneath Mao & Deng.
In some articles, it was said that Jiang ZM was the one clinging to power, stacking his stooges in every levels, making Hu JT a sitting duck. Pres Xi refused to be controlled, was facing insurmountable challenge from Jiang’s stooges, including Politburo member, Internal Security Czar & army generals. A potential coup prevented was even mentioned last year in their newspaper. So there are much infighting to consolidate power, with Pres Xi emerge a winner.
But CPC is no longer a one man decision system like Mao, its a one 60M(?) member party election of their best among their proven elites into finally the Politburo club, where consensus decisions are derived there. Pres Xi has certainly proven himself to party elders over few decades of working up from bottom to be selected for the most important powerful President job.
And there is a fixed 6+6yrs term with age limit for serving in Pres & Politburo. This ensure a automatic stable leadership renewal. Any exceptional changes, like possible extension of Pres Xi two terms will subject to whole country and party members scrutinizing & approval.
Long story short as there are too many factors involve, even Putin extension case can be studied.
So bottom line is the leader & his team quality that matter. And imho, centralized power to a carefully elected team lead by wise leader seem to be the best most SAFE efficient system. China & Singapore (controlled democracy) in lesser term have showed the stellar indisputable result that the declining/ failed Western democratic system can take a leaf from.
Thank you for your kind words. Unz has provided an excellent service through his webzine by which I have learned a great deal, and have been further challenged to continue to learn.
Believe it or not, I’m much more usually interested in writing about neurology. The brain is the next major frontier, along with artificial intelligence(as we know it).
Who needs underground church ?
China is already kaput !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
two ecounters with this atilla is enough for me to consign
her into my bozo file, aka kill file.
Why do Indians in Singapore /Malaysia have such a high crime rate especially in violence/sex, totally out of proportion to their ethnic ratio. ?
Nope, it is a judgement.
Oz, you have make very strange compliment comment. Did you follow up the discussion correctly or just shoot from the hip from impulse? My reply is for Attilathehen moronic comment:
Only an indian trying to sell his snake oil make such silly statement. All these 4 types when pretty, they are real attractive. If they are ugly, no different with blue hair fat white woman whether in US or Oz.
All IQ test results have consistently proven Asians especially Japanese, Korean, Chinese are the highest, all above 100. Caucasian/European especially US are subpar mostly below 100, and Indians very low 81 equal to Zimbabwe.
So lower IQ lead to distinct better racial differences, better soul? Then all our black sisters in Africa are the real most imitated physical form in the world, you whites can’t measure up. Facts? Oh yes, such moron comment you call a betters, so that reveal your highest standard.
Now tell me what’s wrong with below IQ figures that make a worse troll to warrant your uninvited compliment, my oz brother. There is full chart for you to verify in my reply to Malla wrong claim of ranking
That is an ignorant statement. Japan was (and remains) very important in consumer tech., one fundamental step forward was the development of advanced electronics separately from military programs.
The world’s most advanced OS at the time, TRON. That was a particular case of U.S. perfidy, while the U.S. was allowing sales and installation of Apple machines in schools, they were forcing, through threats, our govt. to halt a similar plan to have TRON computers as standard in schools, the U.S. was making all kinds of stupid threats, so the plan stopped.
We were also the first place to have Java applications running on phones, called ‘appli’, not ‘app’, but the latter term is clearly derived from the former.
Also the first for relatively large DRAMs, necessary to represent the written language. That too, was the target of trade war by the U.S.
Much more.
Looks like Xi JP is set to become Emperor:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-25/china-change-constitution-allowing-xi-stay-power-forever
I was about to ask you if you are in foreign affairs or some kind of academic. Your ability to have good grab of every social issues and extensive knowledge of history is amazing.
Its surprising that you are actually into Neurology, the most complex medical subject even for specialists, not for me as im in engineering. But im not fond of technical, and after retirement everything had flushed down the toilet bowl.
I would like to recommend you read a interesting book, A manual of Abhidhamma, it might help you to understand Neurology in different aspects.
Buddhism Abhidhamma has very detailed analysis of how our mind and body function. It even answer many unsolved researches i had during university time, such as the ultimate elements inside the tiniest particle (smaller than photon).
It explained how our mind is functioning like a computer programming with fixed sequence and categories, memory is like recorded library for comparison, with our 5 senses + thoughts work as 6 sensors input for processing.
It said our mind is immaterial, depended on some blood inside our heart to exist. So our thinking does not actually done in the brain. Eg. when you feel immense happy or sad, it arise from the heart or brain?
And all these complex analysis of mind & body was recorded over 2500yrs ago. Juz google “Abhidhamma”you can find many. Below is one pdf file link.
https://www.google.com.mm/url?q=http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwifpIS4vsHZAhWKfLwKHa7MDZ0QFjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3H1UeIRGu6zoM2zoeYeQOd
So what ?
The CCP is only interested in running China, they wond bother us one bit,. more power to Xi !
It’d still be murkkan planes dropping bombs in Syria,
murkkan drones killing peasants in Afpak,
gawd damn P8 spy plane rumbling over my head 24×7,
may be I shouldnt complain, the Okinawans have been tormented by shrieking jets buzzing their roof tops for the past 80 yrs.
Do the world a favor,
When are you gonna kick out that junta in Washington ?
Hope someone will invite Richard Dawkins to do a tour in China to stop this kind of nonsense, for the sake of humanity.
Im afraid its gone case.
In another few years, China will be overwhelmed with
billions of brain washed zombies whose loyalties is only to gawd.
Family, community, and nation be damned.
Imagine billions of de facto fifth colomnists who would rise up at the command of the pope, ‘bring down the CCP, its anti christ !’
China would be subjugated, without the west having to fire a single shot !
Could it be divine curse for supporting those that hate Jesus Christ the joos ?
>>The sequencing indicates that dog and human genomes are more similar to each other than either is to the mouse, though it appears the dog lineage diverged first from the common ancestor<<
That's laughable like saying human and worms are more similar to each other than to corn. Fact is pigs and apes are the animals most genetically similar to human. The simple proof is that almost all the xeno-transplant organs for human recipents are from monkeys and pigs. Ever wonder how did the cannibal term 'long pig' come about? Human flesh actually taste like pork.
'Gods are man's best friend' has cultural meaning but no scientific backups nor moral significance.
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BTW, dogs aren't meaty animal. There's no meat dog farming on industrial scale anywhere. I read dog meat make excellent stew but usually dog meat is expensive.
Official churches are monitor closely that they only preach peaceful Christianity, not CIA version politics or ISIS jihad vers. Underground churches… you know why all criminals & CIA need go underground? Pres Xi muz be waking up every night in cold sweat after reading this news.
I went to church since 5, but only for goodies. Then at 17, i find it juz don’t make gd sense why Catholic vs Christianity with Old to New testament writen like story with angry hot tempered god always threaten me.
So i asked politely:
*If God created everything, who create God?
*Why God has poor quality control, producing human of defects and unequal when born without sins, in great suffering and wrong religion place?
*Shouldn’t all be born as equal in everything, and start from there god judge you?
*who wrote all the stories in bible, where is evidences of these occasions, when in longer history Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, whateverism, you can find the historical sites. And they taught a way of Truth in universal, where it leads to true happiness depending on ourself purifying our mind, not someone always angry and curse me to hell like my old mother.
So i left church…. to search for Truth for many years in many areas… finally i found my true meaning.
See, one ignorant China lady said in telegraph news:
She probably haven’t read about wide spread sexual abuse and fraud cases among church leaders in every Christian countries for as long history as the religion has. And how Christians are committing serious crimes with easy repentance through pastor(confess with small donation).
Its juz my opinion, i don’t want any debate, everyone has a free choice in life…you too.
“The Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are ugly races. Only a very very, tiny minority is attractive. The upper caste Indians of India are the only attractive Asians.
Only an indian trying to sell his snake oil make such silly statement. All these 4 types when pretty, they are real attractive. If they are ugly, no different with blue hair fat white woman whether in US or Oz.”
I agree. Only an indian trying to sell his snake oil make such silly statement. Many internet hindus masquerade as white to bad mouth Chinese, muslims, Christian evangelists, leftists…
Nope, I do not have that I agree. I had got the quote from a quora post.
All I got was this on Chairman Mao – PM Tanaka meeting
http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/118567
EXCERPT OF MAO ZEDONG’S CONVERSATION WITH JAPANESE PRIME MINISTER KAKUEI TANAKA
The above is just an excerpt and I cannot find anything about the quote in this part of the conversation.
http://www.bestchinanews.com/History/8033.html
“In three, Jiang Jieshi announced in 1952, good for evil, to give up on Japanese reparations requirements. At this time to claim, will give the international community a bad image of public opinion.
Four, China for the two countries friendly, to give up the claim. Japan in order to friendly, recognize that People’s Republic of China is the only legitimate government, diplomatic ties with Taiwan. At the same time, the decision was made to make economic and technical assistance to china. This is actually some defective material compensation claims after negotiations, more sensible and meaningful.”
So I cannot vouch for it 100% percent.
It keeps on cropping up in many places though
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=uF86DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT132&lpg=PT132&dq=Mao+thanked+Kakuei+Tanaka&source=bl&ots=LA3dkcwHoy&sig=yTIyGXu8s00ZC8ZtGoEcO7JyqWw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5kePLxMHZAhUMLY8KHRDhA-YQ6AEIZzAM#v=onepage&q=Mao%20thanked%20Kakuei%20Tanaka&f=false
If true, it could be just a pragmatic Chairman Mao trying to calm down and be diplomatic to an apologetic Japanese Prime Minister. Better to move ahead than to be stuck in the past at a leader level.
The purpose of having officially registered churches is of cause so that they can be monitored for any monkey business, but with the churches sprouting up like mushrooms after a rain fall, CCP is having an uphill task on its hand.
Then there’r those underground churches, you and I know whose behind these clandestine outfits, centres of subversion, gawd know what the insidious pastors told their sheeples, ‘CCP is your enemy, go get them’ !
It’d be like FLG X 1000. !
China has a tumor which’s growing fast and it doesnt know how to remove it.
gawd help the China !
What a great auspicious news for the world. Hope Putin has the guts to do the same. Then we have at least 2 sane good leaders among the crazy lunatic world leaders for some time, until they got too tired to give their service to mankind.
When Lee KY ruled for over 30Yrs, US called him Dictator. Yet he strive ahead did what ought to be done for his country, and implemented a leadership renewal system, supporting new leaders as mentor. When he died, he requested to demolish his old house so that nothing to idolize. He probably had took a idea from Mr Deng XP & Zhou Enlai, they even had their ashes thrown in oceans with no statues allow. That’s true leader, not sway by west PC.
Pres Xi should rule as long as he could if party & people support him, until another suitable strong natural leader arise to take over. Rules are writen by people, why restricted by it for something better. China is fortunate, give me your Xi and i will give you my leader + all his family and stooges free.. Hhhhhhh
Western education systems have collapsed compared to what it was in the say 60s. It was deliberately collapsed. It is just that Chinese school systems have discipline which has reduced in many public western schools. Western schools had same sicipline in the 60s. Most Western schools are more interested in diversity and bridging gap in between blacks/ muslims and Whites/Asians than actually performing.
Now maybe the Chinese teachers use some traditional Chinese mathematical methods which are very helpful to students, not used in Western schooling before or something like that. Or that Chinese have made some innovations in teaching which are helpful to pupils (Chinese education is very competitive). if that is the case then well and good. But do not compare today’s deliberately public schools of the West with China. Even the students in Western public schools in 50s and 60s were taught more and were more disciplined than students today.
How can you write something like this? You are on Unz right? Steve Sailer and Anatoly Akarlin have many brilliant articles on intellectual performances of ethnic groups.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/2015-pisa-mean-scores-in-perspective/
Estonia and Finland came up in the top 10 in PISA ranking in 2015 outscoring S.Korea and PRC.
Hell your own posts show White countries Switzerland and Netherlands show up in one list and Italy, iceland and Switzerland show up in another.
I have never denied, North East Asians score very high on IQ. If you read my posts, I have always written how Whites and East Asians are the best equipped in the post Industrial revolution age to build superior societies. Even before I knew the existence of IQ tests, I suspected North East Asians to be much smarter on average then Indian subcontinentals, Middle Easterners and definitely Africans just by my experiences and my travels. Indeed even before I knew about HBD research, by observing people, my brain had divided populations into three groups based on behaviour and ability, North East Asians and Northern Europeans——–Indians subcontinentals, Middle Easterners, South East Asians, Native Americans/Hispanics——Blacks. That is why I never compare India to China but to Indonesia and Turkey, other brown countries.
I am not so worried that China would be subjugated by the Vatican than this ‘Cultural Genocide’ could fundamentally changed the nature of the Chinese. After all selling Salvation is a big business and easy money and the Vatican would likely not upset the apple cart so long as there are
souls to savemoney to make. What I don’t like to see is this thing can eventually change Chinese into a God fearing self-righteousness people. If this happen the world will even be more non-peaceful.“Lin,” Chinese I presume? Of course, you would find the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese attractive. I gave an example of a high caste Indian Brahmin beauty. None of the above mentioned races can produce a woman like this. And, no I’m not Indian. Just a generic Caucasian woman who sees that the slant eyed, dark skinned races are ugly.
China news show Xi have all these big cross removed… So i don’t trust this Telegraph fake news…u believe? Xi support Mahayana Buddhism according to china friends.
To stop the tumors, first remove the source, FukusEU embassies & NGOs, and stop all Westerners to set up cafe.
Have every pastor replaced by a commie, teach sheeples china version red bible writen with TaoDeJin or Confucianism… be virtue, respect elders, takecare family, work diligently, serve society, love country.
Taiwan may be a realistic estimate for China, as it was settled mostly by agrarian peasants from Fujian province. HK and Singapore received significant migration of peasants, but many traders and merchants entered too. The three countries aren’t wildly far apart, but HK and Singapore are more affluent today. You could credit that to genetics, but you could also credit that to efficient government and favorable location.
As for India, I’ve found data for Caribbean-origin Indian students from Guyana. These students form 2% of the extremely large Toronto school district. Their ancestors were landless, low-caste laborers brought from Northern-Central and Southern India. They score roughly at the Toronto district average. For comparison, White-Canadian students score slightly above the district average.
If we normalize scores to IQ, the Guyanese-Indian students would be at 97 (against a White-Canadian mean of 100). What’s especially impressive is that White-Canadians actually do fairly well, relative to other Whites, on international testing. So the Guyanese-Indian students are internationally competitive.
I wouldn’t have expected that, but even peasant origin Indians are scoring nearly at the White mean.
See this link below.
http://www.tdsb.on.ca/Portals/0/AboutUs/Research/PortraitsSouthAsian.pdf
Christianity has it’s positive points and negative points. Take the positive elements (Christian morality) and make it part of your culture, reject the negative (obsession with holy land for example)
“Take the positive elements (Christian morality)…”
The theology of Christianity is fundamentally immoral. Correct me if I am wrong, you could be Hilter or Saddam Hussien and still go to heaven as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior at the last moment of your life. On the other hand you could be the most charitable person in the world and you would still burn in hell for eternity if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior. What so moral about that?
As I pointed out before, Southern Chinese are genetically not Northeast Asian. They’re of Southeast Asian origin and evolved in China’s humid southeast. They academically and economically perform as well as Japanese and Koreans. They’ve historically outperformed Northern Chinese. There’s some evidence that the Vietnamese, who are of Southeast Asian origin, have strong academic and economic abilities too.
North Asia includes Mongolia, Central Asia, and the indigenous populations of the Russian far east. None of these populations demonstrate the same type of academic or economic performance of Japan or Korea. These populations are economically more similar to the “black-brown” races that you’ve extensively discussed.
As for Indian subcontinentals, Northern Indians are likely no higher in intelligence than South Indians. South India is actually the center of the IT/software industry. You previously referred to Southern Indians as “IT coolies.” Assuming this is even correct, the South Indian “IT coolies” are still more affluent and educated than the North Indian “farmer coolies.”
As for the Americas (North and South), the Amerinds of South America built fairly advanced civilizations in Central America (Mayas, Incas, Aztecs). Nothing comparable ever arose in the colder-weather North America. According to data on academic performance of Native American students, Native students from the warmer-weather Southeastern states perform slightly better than those from the colder-weather Northern states.
This is ridiculous. Southern China is just as “brown” as Turkey or many of the countries that you’ve discussed. South India is “blacker” than much of the brown world, but the Southern Indians are likely higher in IQ than most browns.
If you look back at history, the “Browner” eastern section of the Roman Empire was more advanced and urbane than the “Whiter” western section. That’s no longer true now, but it was true then. The Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed due to “barbarian” invasions from Germany, while the semitic-origin Byzantine Empire flourished for many more centuries.
Your argument about fertile farmland automatically generating affluence won’t apply here. The Byzantines had extremely impressive accomplishments in arts, literature, commerce, and science. These are accomplishments that would not have been possible with a low-ability population.
So you didn’t have the magic cracks to booster these subpar countries?
They used calculation in mind instead of calculator. Also emphasize on memory, logic and intuitive thinking. The grade 3 mathematics questions…most graduates failed to answer.
Yah… i quoted wrongly, Scando-Slavic Swiss & Netherland make it to top10 IQ, but not as hilarious as your claim.
So you are on PISA, not IQ test. Then see breakdown Science, Maths, Reading.
https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/pisa-a-glance-global-education-rankings-science-maths-and-reading?amp
http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38212070
Finland, Estonia, Canada and Ireland are the only non-Asian nations to get into any of the top five rankings across all three subjects.
Estonia & Finland aren’t European. Estonia may be slavic-East Asian, Finland is Scandinavian.
PRC scores was brought down due to use of computer instead of paper, many rural area still lack PC skill. They specifically lose out on Reading. Still overall they are well above most Europeans, & US, UK.
But all China business , R&D will be conduct in their own language & way of thinking. That will put them on par with HK.
I’m not completely sure. They’ve been cited in academic literature, so I’d say they likely have been.
Consider this. India is an amazingly poor country with a poor quality public education system. So if you’re an affluent student, you can afford a quality private schools and tutors/cram schools. That probably gives upper-caste students a major advantage over the lower-caste students. From my experience, all of my Indian coworkers claim they attended private schools and then had tutors help them after school. I’d imagine that lower-caste people don’t have these advantages.
You really can’t expect the children of poor slum dwelling lower-caste peasants to compete with wealthy upper-caste children.
I recall reading that only 1% of Indians have a standard of living comparable to the first world, 10% were comparable to the upper end of the third world, and about 90% were extremely impoverished. So I don’t think the IQ-achievement relationship is as strong in India as it’d be in a first world nation.
Even in early 20th century America, differences in income and school quality (which varied significantly less in America than present day India) often produced significant differences in achievement across the country. As the country has become more affluent and opportunities have become more widely available, differences in achievement (at least among Whites) have decreased very significantly.
It’ll be a long time before India is wealthy and equal enough that we can fairly compare lower-caste and upper-caste achievement. Until then, I’d assume socioeconomic differences have a strong influence on lower-caste under performance.
You are correct in some sense, but Taiwan also has significant KMT elites not from Fujian.
Taiwan has two groups from my interaction. KMT brought over elites, they called them Outer Province People. Another group is the “indigenous” dialect speaking Inner Province People.
KMT OPP are very smart, well educated, affluent, wealthy, fair & tall like Northern Chinese, speak Mandarin. These are the China elite equivalent.
IPP are those like their Green Party people, dull, rough, less educated, poorer, short dark skin like Southern Fujian Chinese, speak dialect. This big group will drag down the score more than Fujian province to China in %.
Education system got much influence. Also language, i presume these IQ & PISA test are conducted in English that benefit English speaking countries greatly, especially in Reading.
Singapore Indians are mostly from poor Southern India, dark skin. They generally do badly in academic, partly due to poverty. So they are on par with White Canadians, but inferrior to Singapore Chinese ethnic relatively. This is consistent with the ranking of Singapore vs Canada.
India low ranking most likely due to extremely poor education system & poverty. It has high illiteracy rate, 40%?
Johnny, you have very good understanding of these IQ things versus ethnics. You are a researcher?
I’m a Hindu and I agree with you. I wish our leaders would ditch the West and ally with China, which has better human capital and much better values than the West. And they don’t seek to export their ideologies to their vassal states.
India is too fragmented and incompetent to ever assume any world-leadership roles. Our best best would be to ally with some responsible superpower and lie low until the Liberalism/Enlightenment forest fire has burnt itself out.
Academic I’ll buy, but don’t the Chinese essentially dominate business there?
Have you given any thought to your habit of both asserting (your opinion) that certain races are “ugly” and also asserting that you state facts and can’t get people to answer your simple facts?
This was believed once, but new genetic research has pretty heavily argued against it, for what it is worth.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/how-chinese-genetics-is-like-chinese-food/#.WpMojajwZhE
The Han slowly pushed south, and yes, eventually conquered and held Vietnam for a few hundred years. This settlement and gene flow affected Vietnam. This is complicated by back and forth, as China has had lost their north before and had to reconquer it later, but the Han did start fairly northern in latitude.
There’s a lot of genetic difference between Northern and Southern Chinese, but at the end of the day, they have a pretty continuous genetic bridge.
Again wrong, there are rich lower castes because of government qoatas. You are assuming all of them are poor not so.
I doubt this could be true. The British took indentured Indians to labor in the Caribbean, Malaysia, South Africa, and Africa. They actually had a favorable impression of the work ethic of the Indian peasants. However, they also regarded the Indians as sly and crafty.
The poorer Indians may be uncivilized and uncouth, but I’m pretty sure they’re different from gypsies. As I pointed above in an above post, the descendants of these poorer Indians ended up in the Caribbean, with some then migrating to Canada and America. Their children in Toronto perform only slightly under the White-Canadian mean on standardized academic tests. Which is far different from gypsies.
Not really. Indians are significantly more affluent than the native Malays (who get VERY generous affirmative action), but much poorer than the Chinese (who get no affirmative action). So Indians are likely in between both groups, but closer to the Chinese than the Malays.
In Singapore, Indians and Chinese are very similar in income and other types of performance indicators. Malays lag behind.
Indian subcontinentals actually have a much lower incarceration rate in prisons than even White-Canadians. The lowest incarceration rate is among East Asian-Canadians. There’s an Indian gang problem in Western Canada (which has about 20% of the Indian population of Canada), but Indians are very quiet around Toronto and other parts of the country.
The gang problem of Canada is mostly concentrated among blacks (Caribbean, African, and Black-Canadian) and Natives (similar to our Native Americans). There are some issues with White Biker gangs and Italian mafia groups, but they don’t commit as much violence.
Indo-Canadian gangs are concentrated in Surrey, which is a large suburb of Western Canada. The gang perpetrators are mainly of Sikh origin. Their families are affluent, but they shoot each other a lot. The Indian-Caribbeans (who are the descendants of low-caste laborers) have no huge gang problem.
I don’t have crime statistics for Tamils in the UK, but here are the academic statistics.
Tamils do exceptionally well, especially considering that they’re mostly the descendants of refugees. The worst performing Indian subcontinentals are the Punjabis, but their performance isn’t especially horrible.
Eastern Europeans do much more badly than you’d expect.
https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/886691620695003136/photo/1
British-Indians are much less likely to be arrested for criminal incidents than the White British (the least likely are the Chinese). The Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are roughly comparable in their arrest rates. Blacks, especially of Caribbean decent, are over represented. In school suspension rates, we see the same pattern. Chinese>Indian>White, Pakistani, Bangladeshi>Black.
A substantial fraction of the British Indian population (about 10-15%) are the descendants of untouchables. Some are the children of medical professionals who work in the National Health Service. The bulk of the British Indian population are the descendants/relatives of people who came to work in the factories in the 50s, as well as East African refugees who originally arrived in Africa to build railroads and work as petty trader.
Indo-Canadians actually have huge mansions in the suburbs of Vancouver and seem pretty affluent. They’re making a lot of money in construction, real estate, small business, and farming. They have fairly bad manners though and haven’t assimilated well. They’re not liked because they behave in a low-class way, but they’re pretty successful. In other parts of Canada, their reputation is better.
Chinese don’t have a very good reputation in Vancouver either. A lot of them are super wealthy and they’ve bid up real estate to unrealistically high levels. White-Canadians find themselves being squeezed by Chinese and Indians.
The comparison to gypsies is totally incorrect.
I meant that their Western-born children often transition into the middle-class, entering careers like nursing, engineering, and accounting. You’re right that the Chinese dominate the economy and have much stronger entrepreneurial skills. Ethnic Viets often do adequately in small businesses (like restaurants or nail salons), but they’re not particularly adept at building large scale businesses. They seem more likely to thrive as professionals in the govt and private sector, not as business owners.
Listen I am tired of debating with you on this. I had done this in another page but you keep on repeating the same thing. Believe what you want. Maybe you are right. Who knows?
I stand by my cold climate theory. Maybe I am wrong who knows. I just do not have the energy to go through all that again. Get more southern brownies into your First worlds and if your first worlds does turn into a third world shithole in the future because of it (I know it will 1000%), well live with it. If not (if I am wrong), live with that too. Cool.
That is not all there is in Christian morality.
What you said is right, it sounds ridiculous. But a religion like Christianity which wants to spread throughout all mankind will have belief systems like that. Ideologies/religions that want to spread, becoming a member will always be easy. In Islam accept ‘There is no God but Allah and Mohamed is his messenger’ and in theory you are in.
You know, I actually met Han Chinese muslims – not Uighurs, actual Han. They called themselves Muslim.
And they loved pork! When I asked them about this, their reply was “Islam is only my religion, but Chinese is my race”.
Ah, the Chinese, frustrating mass evangelization attempts for millennia . . .
They are Christians who believe in worldly accomplishments, Muslims who value Race far above God, Atheistic Communists who practice feng shui and Capitalists who support a strong central government . . . in short, they are Han Chinese
I’m assuming that the fraction of affluent upper-castes is much large than the fraction of affluent lower-castes. So this could explain why upper-caste children are much more likely to gain admission to competitive universities. Also, even affluent lower-castes likely haven’t been affluent for a particularly long time. So they don’t have the advantages of coming from a family that’s been affluent and educated for generations. The also are more likely to have poorer, uneducated relatives and therefore much different peer groups.
I’d like to see a comparison of lower-caste and upper-caste which adjusts for socioeconomic status. Poor lower-caste vs poor upper caste. Rich lower-caste vs rich upper-caste. That’d be more interesting to see.
The percentages of Brahmin castes is higher in the North than the South. Yet the IT/software industry is in the South. So if upper-caste Indians really were that much smarter than lower-castes, why is the North no more advanced?
There are lots of Southern Chinese in the West. Have they done badly?
There are lots of poor Northerners in Central Asia, Mongolia, and the Russian Far East. Should we invite these people to settle the West? What type of countries do these people have?
There are lots of white complexioned people in North Africa (Berbers). Do you think these people would make good immigrants?
Your cold-climate theory doesn’t apply to China, India, or North&South America. It partially applies to Europe, but even there the pattern is Northern Europe>Southern Europe>Eastern Europe.
A theory should match with reality.
My point is that some ethic groups have done well and others have done poorly. It’s not clear why, but cold-hot weather doesn’t explain these gaps. Genetics might explain these gaps, but the genetic differences likely are not connected with climate adaption.
Well no you didn’t. “Citations” – nah.
I can see I think the basis for your distaste for Liberalism now that usage, at least on the Internet, is pretty well that of Americans who mean something like “soft-headed left”. But what’s your problem with the Enlightenment? (French, English/ Scottish or American. I think I get that from Gertrude Himmelfarb). Wasn’t that the result of modern knowledge, starting with the scientific revolution of the late 16th and 17th centuries, and didn’t it lead to amelioration of cruel punishments in most countries, and customs like the burning of widows, as well as giving an early push to the ending of slavery (I’m allowing for economic factors to have been a major factor here). Generally it countered irrational and thus potentially harmful traditional beliefs. But you emphasise???? On the basis of what knowledge, research, study?
Interesting. Geneticist Luigi Cavalli-Sforza found a significant split between Northern and Southern Chinese.
If you look at your graphic, you’ll see that Northern Chinese cluster with Japanese (who cluster with Koreans). Southern Chinese are relatively not that far apart but from Northern Chinese, but they’re closer to the Miao (Southeast Asian Hmong). Also, the Southern Chinese are about as similar to the Southeast Asian Dai as their Northern Chinese brethren.
Southern Chinese are much more similar to Northern Chinese than Malays. Which seems like an important finding. I wonder why the Malays are so distant from other Southeast Asian populations. Perhaps mixture from some of the Austronesian aboriginal tribes?
I remember reading that as the Han migrated South, they culturally and genetically Sinicized some of the Southern populations. I suppose their genetic influence is more significant than I assumed.
Do you desire to have productive discussion, or to win the argument?
If productive discussion, you may seek to refute the “facts” stated. In other words, you may defend.
If the other person says “So and So, XYZ, blah blah, that’s simply FACT!”
“Ex. I could say something like “Christians are complete idiots, that’s just FACT. Everybody knows this.”
You could ask me to support my statement, but then you’ve already fallen into my trap, arguing on MY terms. See, I beat you by being first to state a “fact” – you look weak trying to argue about so-called facts. Who says it’s fact? Why, I do, of course! See, now I’ve got you.
In arguments, combative ones, NEVER EVER DEFEND. ALWAYS ATTACK. You should say something like “Huh, well actually Atheists are morons – FACT!” To counter so-called “facts”, you have to supply Alternative Facts.
That’s how it’s done. Never reason. Always be UNreasonable – if you want to “win” the argument.
Here’s a ranking of the sexual attractiveness of various races. It comes from a fairly popular dating/manosphere site.
For men:
-European men with darker, sultry features from countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal, and France
-Northern European men with light features from countries like Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, and Norway
-Western men with medium features from countries like England, United States, Australia, Canada, and Ireland
-Middle Eastern men with darker but slightly rougher features from countries like Turkey, Greece, Morocco, Iran, and Algeria
-Latino men from countries like Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, and ones in Central America
-Arab men from countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan
-African men
-Southeast Asian men from countries like Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia
-Indian men
-Asian men from countries like Korea, China, Taiwan
For women:
-Northern European women (+1 movement)
-European women (-1)
-Western women (no change)
-Latina women (+1)
-Middle Eastern women (-1)
-Southeast Asian women (+2)
-Asian women (+3)
-Arab women (-2)
-Indian women (no change)
-African women (-3)
According to a dating matchmaker agency, some races are harder to match than others.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20070511/OPINION04/70511017
Asian women don’t want Asian men.
Black men want White or Asian women.
Asian and Indian men were the hardest to match. Even the Americanized Asian/Indian guys faced a lot of difficulty.
Indian/Pakistani men were the least popular.
The article’s author has interviewed thousands of singles.
So perhaps Indians/Pakistani men move a notch below the Asian men.
Here’s an American dating site that shows response rates to men and women of different races.
https://twitter.com/search?f=images&vertical=default&q=okcupid%20race&src=typd
Least popular race of men: Indian
Least popular race of women: Black
Interestingly, Indian women seem to have a very negative response to their fellow Indian men. Indian women prefer White men to Indian men (according to the data response rates).
Asian women are negatively disposed towards Asian men, but Indian women are even harsher towards their own men. Indian women also have a stronger relative preference for White men than Asian women.
Which suggests that if you’re an Indian/Pakistani male, the dating market is hard. Good thing they have arranged marriages.
Looks like a thoughtful civil post which I shall try to find time to read and digest. And yes, I was just drawing attention to what might have been a gap in your thinking about these things – namely the overcentralisation problem.
I’m a protestant Christian of alternative conviction and I’ve stopped going to church for many years. I found that whenever I put forth my ideas to evangelical Christians,they best they can do is pretending to look religious in front of their fellow believers. If you want to query them, questions like who created God have no answers. Some issues are more obvious:
1)Trinity is the most controversial Christian doctrine. Who’s God? Well, we know the devil is called ‘Lord of the world’ or ‘Lord of Air’. So God is not an Earthling and technically is an E.T. alien of superior ability. Mind you I’m not a fan of ‘Chariot of God’ that God landed on Earth in a flying saucer. What does Son of God mean? Did Yahweh procreate with someone to give birth to Jesus OR Yahweh capable of asexual reproduction? I’m not a ‘rationale’ fundamentalist but one can see that there’s only 2 ways out 1) Exo-biological discourse or 2)Take it as a metaphor; I mean jesus was a moral giant and ‘Son of God’ is just a title(it means evangelical fundamentalism was just threatre) . ‘Trinity’ together with all the angels and saints was a helenic-roman polytheist pantheon contamination.
2)Who created the Christian religion ? Sure not Jesus who disliked gentiles.That’s why apostle Peter needed a devine revelation from jesus to legitimize unkosher food, ie, to preach to gentiles. Overall Christianity as we know of was initiated by Jesus’s disciples and consolidated by Constantine as a state religion.
3)Who were responsible for Jesus’s crucification?
Christians say King Herod plus the Pharisees. And the roman governor.
Jews say the romans governor was the only culprit.
There’s another guilty party: The zealots among Jesus’s crowd. Jesus sure was a jewish nationalist but a non-violent one. He managed to draw a large following and the jewish zealots recognized his potential as rallying focus to start a revolution to get rid of the puppet King Herod and the romans so they started calling Jesus the ‘Messiah’. Go ask any religious jew and he’ll tell you ‘Messiah’ means the ‘Chosen One’, the Title of the jewish monarch. Messiah is not savior as Christian pastors told you. Not to dampen the spirit of his crowd, Jesus apparently neither confirmed nor denied such a title thrown on him. When the Pharisees brought jesus to the audience of the roman governor, the Pharisees said here’s the one they called the King of the Jews; well the rallying cry ‘Jesus the Messiah’ sure sounded threatening to herod . So Jesus’s disciples were just as responsible for the crucification. The roman governor was just the executioner who wanted to placate Herod. When Jesus said his kingdom was not of this Earth, the roman governor knew it was just internal jewish religious strife and one more dead rabbi is no big deal.To the Pharisees, Jesus was a herectic. Stoning was the traditional punishment for herectics but the Pharisees dared not to apply on Jesus because of his large following. Crucification was reserved for usurpers, like Spartacus.
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Go tell your fellow christians that the early church elders and authors of the new testament,ie the disciples,were as responsible for the crucifiction of Jesus as the pharisees
But attilathehen claims to have an IQ above the 91+ Ron has kindly acknowledged as a fair guess.
I agree that attilathehen wastes our time but, without wasting time on a long reply to you I thought that 120 obviously absurd and the 90 vs 120 equally ridiculous. Are you familiar with Ron Unz’s exposure of the nonsense in many comparative IQ figures (which I had long intuited, especially when one was supposed to take seriously IQs of 60ish for various primitive hunter-gatherer peoples and 81 for the Irish). And you perhaps forget what the one child policy may be doing (still) to China. Can you see any reason other than Flynn Effect for expecting *any* IQ rise in China – or Korea or Japan?
Further to the centralisation point, are you not aware that the term limit for Xi has now been abolished unless what I have just been reminded of in the NR is wrong. Even Mugabe seemed OK once but…. 35 years on.
A little bit more Americanisation and they may try gun massacres to relieve the frustration!
That’s half-baked. Is all of Buddhism structured around enslaving the masses to provide for, protect and adore parasitic monks who don’t do anything but meditate all day? No. Don’t parrot ridiculous French revolution nonsense on a rightwing website.
Far fetched.
Dark for men and fair for girls seems to be only an approximation though with some evidence in its favour. Large and muscular – but not frightening? – might also be intuited for blokes. Imran Khan and other subcontinental fast bowlers would be in a class of their own. Imran, potentially Pakistan’s PM, has a handsome hawk nose which led me to wonder about noses as a feature of attractiveness. Many East Africans (even some who confess to Bantu ancestry) have beautiful [OK attilathehen, my opinion, just like not favouring Hottentot bums] fine noses and limbs like a Western model’s. Do you know of any data on noses or other particulars?
The Enlightenment, Liberalism and the core American ideology of rights, citizenship, republicanism and the equivalence of humans are all inter-related.
Classical liberalism is, granted, good at generating economic growth and scientific advancement. But it inexorably slides into progressivism and national extinction.
Throne and Altar keep a People alive. The Enlightenment leads to a brief flowering and then leads to the People abolishing themselves after they lose their will to live.
We just need good technology – because we need that to fight an enemy. Everything else the Enlightenment provided is a net negative. China understands that. China has adopted science from the West, but has not been gullible enough to adopt liberalism, democracy, unfettered capitalism, human rights hocus pocus or birthright citizenship.
Interesting post. Could you elaborate more on this point?
Jap is an unrepentant war criminal, they have been lying, denying, glossing over their war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes agaisnt peace for the last 75 years. Jap is known for cognative liar. If you believe the Jap you might as well believe the American bombing, killing and waterboarding on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation as humanitarian intervention.
I wonder if so many different ideas need to be and remain connected as you say. Even if China (most likely) finds a superior model of governance for late 21st century people it will undoubtedly be one, with no little thanks to Marx in China’s case, which gives far more freedom to the masses and scope for expressing opinions and preferences that one won’t regret expressing than any pre Enlightenment form other than maybe a few irrelevant special cases like Athens for citizens. So, consider…. the specific error of most post Enlightenment thinkers was to carry over the “equality in God’s eyes” notion into unscientific sentimental rubbish. But why, since the lower orders were not actually respected even as bourgeois talent was necessarily being rewarded? Maybe in the UK it was the experience of the upper/ruling classes still being able to lead (and the Empire had plenty to offer all Brits) and sheer political opportunism leading to the excessive extension of the franchise. So, perhaps I should look forward to China showing how to modify democracy though Xi’s Mugabeesque move to permanancy doesn’t strike me as promising. Do you have a modern secular equivalent for Crown and Altar in mind?
Don’t you get embarrassed when making such aggressive crude overgeneralisations in company where there are a number of civil, knowledgeable, intelligent people? FWIW I have Japanese in laws who are such wonderful kind, intelligent, honest people that (I admit) I have been known to ask how they could be of the same ethnic group that did what the Japanese did to others in the 1930s and 40s. And they are not unique amongst Japanese. Maybe the wrong turns of their civilisation since 1860 strike us as grotesque but it is usually only a matter of a century or three or five here and there before you can find something equally appalling by our standards. Even China’s failure to learn from others for a few hundred years is pretty grotesque is it not? Of course it was mostly Chinese, and entirely Asians, who suffered.
John Derbyshire is a classic Eurocentrist and Orientalism believer. China rise scares the hell out of his wit like most of the Western intellectuals. He worried that China rise will cause West’s moral high ground and superiority built on the Eurocentrism and Orientalism be exposed as nothing but lies, fabrications thru the thin air, an ultra-reaction of the European utter inferiority complex before other ancient civilization, i.e. European civilization is a hoax fabricated by a bunch of barbaric criminals.
John Derbyshire wants to invigorate Eurocentrism and Orientalism which is the only tool he believes the White can fight against China rise and save themselves. He is skillfully bringing all the Eurocentrism and Orientalism skeletons (books) from library of SOAS, the School of Oriental and African Studies, in London back to life in this article as seeds to spread and grow, otherwise those toxic writings would be forgotten under the dust on the shelves in the library of SOAS.
John Derbyshire is way more smarter than you can estimate.
If the Jap is not an unrepentant war criminal and cognative liar, why have they been lying, denying, glossing over their war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes agaisnt peace for the last 75 years? Why can’t they sincerely show remorse about the war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace committed by their barbaric forebears like the Germans?
I also know decent Americans too, but those decent Americans do not make American bombing, killing and waterboard on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation as humanitarian intervention, desipte there are some decent Americans, but the crimes committed by the American government in their name, willingly or unwillingly, the American as a whole is still a war criminal, war monger and criminal against peace and humanity.
There are many video clips on the Youtube showing the Jap has not changed much from their barbaric forebears.
The Japanese are different, they continuously deny about their inhuman atrocities, wrongful acts and invasion during the world wars. The Japanese PM Abe and many political figures there publicly regularly deny what the country had done in WWII. More importantly, his cabinet received overwhelming support from Japanese. This nation and many of its people were not only evil but has lost their conscience to enable them to be a normal person. Such nation and people are a real danger to other countries.
There’r many other sources,,…[1]
I met Chinese tourists who say churches are sprouting up every other month in their own towns. !
Xi might want to contain this spreading cancer but he has to look over his shoulder constantly, the west is ever too ready to jump on China and CCP is very mindful about its image these days. 🙁
India. has a free hand in cracking down on xtian evangelism,
pastors got beaten up, churches burned down, nuns raped,,,,,
In Indon, muslim mobs gunned down xtians with police connivance. without a peep from fukus.
Yet even when xtians are growing exponentially in China, the West is already screaming ‘religious persecution’, the moment CCP try to stem the tide of underground churches.
somebody love China so much they’d like to have more of it,
preferably broken up into 13 parts like the good ole days of the Bung in Shanghai,
hhhhhh
[1] https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/why-is-christianity-growing-so-quickly-in-mainland-china-57545
May be not a Vatican vassal yet , but billions of converted xtian zombies whose only loyalty is to gawd should be a nightmare anywhere in the world.
Im not too worried about god fearing, self righteous Chinese trying to spread ‘democracy’ like the west, its not in their genes !
but brain washed xtians in China will identity more with fukus, whose also ‘gawd fearing’, than their own community/country, thats the trouble.
You’r right , xtian infiltration is the most insidious form of cultural genocide !
If fukus couldnt do it with opium, they might just succeed with religion !
I hope you’r right man !
I know many xtians who tell me horror stories about CCP ‘brutality’ against their disciples, all anecdotes of course, told to them by the pastors in church sessions, same way the west manufactured that FLG horror show.
This shows that churches, official or underground, are hotbeds for destabilisation, the pastors dispense B.S. to the disciples, the sheeples swallow it hook, line and sinker, they go out and feed the same B.S. to their families, friends. In no time, half the Chinese believe their enemy is CCP, not fukus. !
Its enough to make Xi sit up in cold sweat in the middle of night !
I will give Mr. Unz a lot of credit for publishing comments like mine which deal with reality and truth.
You guys (Anon, Lin et al.) crack me up. If you could choose what race to be before you were born, there would only be Caucasian people in the world. Asian women spend a lot of money on plastic surgery to look Western. No one wants to be black. It’s not that I waste your time. It’s that you cannot deal with the truth.
read about it. asked a few chinese about it. apparently in the chinese govt, the presidential office is just a figure head. it holds zero power. leader of the party and leader of the military are the positions that hold power and they have no term limits. xi got both of them. he basically got rid of the stooges left behind by JZM.
I guess you could say this change to presidential term limits will make it more transparent as to who is in power. as the president, leader of the party and leader of the military will all be the same person in the future.
INDIVIDUAL religious practice, an intelligent being seeking his place in the infinite universe, his own relationship to his God – that’s one thing.
But a totally different matter is . . .
ORGANIZED religion, especially ALIEN organized religion (like Xtianity to the Middle East, Islam to the West, all Abrahamic religion to Asians etc) – that is basically a zombie pandemic.
Xi hopes to become a second Mao. He may end up being a second Yuan Shikai. Whether his place on the throne can be maintained will depend on the mettle of his factional adversaries. So far, they’re looking pretty feckless. The real question for non-Chinese is how much blood and treasure this emperor is willing to sacrifice to annex foreign lands in order to etch his name on the list of China’s great leaders.
The Flynn Effect works to bring populations up to their genetic IQ limit, it can’t make them go beyond their limit, that wouldn’t make rational sense.
Flynn Effect also correlates well with general socio-economic well-being and maybe more importantly cultural readiness for the modern world.
Meaning a population say with high genetic IQ potential, like say the Han of 1970s China, would seem to test with a poor general IQ level. Why? Because their whole attitude to modern education, science, technology and over-all “way of doing things” was simply wrong.
Test that same population even a few decades later, and the results would be surprising, No genetic change, just a lot better attitude in general. Richer nations produce populations closer to their limits.
So, Ashkenazim Jews in Israel, without access to the excellent schools in Europe and North America: unimpressive group IQ (below even the White European norm!). But Jews in the West: Up to a full standard deviation ABOVE the White European norm. (Estimates vary anywhere from IQ 107 to 115 on average). That’s just Ashkenazim expressing latent genetic potential.
But there is another factor at play: The Ashkenazim are most closely genetically related to middle and north Italians, (Rome northwards to the Alps) who score some of the highest in IQ among Europeans today (somewhere around 102/103). You have to remember that this region attracted the best and brightest from the whole Roman Empire, regardless of race. Plus was the center of the birth of the Renaissance, again reinforcing the immigration of best and brightest from across Christendom. Rich ambitious Jews intermarried with this population before moving out to other parts of Europe – it kinda figures their descendants would be smart.
So it seems, in addition to Flynn Effect, the Ashkenazim have a talent for identifying high IQ genes they want in their population, and then assimilating those genes.
Your scale of attractiveness has little meaning to the average E. Asians because it’s an American scale and the big bulk of E. Asians don’t like in US.
I live in HK and I had white colleague–None of my HK chinese friends/relatives dated/married non-Chinese, except one female political activist Ng Mei-lan who married an arab and then divorced soon later. Nor my white colleagues considered hot commodities by Chinese. I dare say that’s quite average mentality. Poor 3rd worlder Chinese who want to emigrate to richer countries through marriage is quite another matter.
I have relatives in Australia, Canada and US and many of them,male and female, married whites. Different environment.
I once travelled to Xinjiang for star gazing and I found Uighur run restaurants with Halal sign but also served booze
attilathehen,
I’m amazed that you assume I prefer to be Caucasian if I’ve the choice. You’re a very insecure person.
Obviously you would like to be born with an IQ of 99 rather than 91 as Ron Unz estimated.
My apology if I mistook you as hindu.
BTW, deja vu ? You’re a woman ? If I remember right,I encountered someone by that username at Robert Lindsay’s blog.
What is your evidence for saying the Ashkenazim in Israel have IQs well below those elsewhere who average 109 or more? I have always assumed that the allegedly low IQ Israelis were the non Adhkenazi majority.
120 is taking the max increased to make my case more convincing.
Assumed in a simplified case, that China half population is at current average IQ of 105. The bottom poor rural score roughly like 85, then you will need upper score of 120 to average out.
After 20yrs, the rural poors has urbanized & developed, to reach previous national ave of 105. The upper score group improve only slightly to 125. Then you get average of 115.
Assumed India enjoy similar development like China. ave IQ81, bottom 70, upper 90. After 20yrs, improvement bottom 81, upper 100. Average is increased to 90.
So its India 90 vs China 115. Not too far away from my last quick comment of 10~20 increase of China IQ over 20yrs of development, 90 vs 120. Any specific reason that you can share to comment as absurd & ridiculous?
Even for US, with its immigrants flooding, and every declining conditions, existing IQ90+ is more likely to reach bottom end than remain on higher side after 20yrs. So in extreme case, 90 vs 120 wasn’t too far off either. With anticipated economic catastrophe happens with de-dollarization & unsustainable debts, this is very much realistic outcome.
What is your Oz sane view?
I have zero knowledge of Flynn effect though i read that in Wiki.
In general, I do not see any significant increase for Korea or Japan as they are matured like other developed countries. Korea may still have some improvement, but Japan is very likely to decline in accelerated speed as aging population bite hard.
But China still has alot of room to move over next 20yrs, as economy & R&D technology improve quickly, better living standards, nutrients, education system, learning style(to specifically answer IQ or PISA related question), language & IT improvement …will move the IQ scores upward, most significant in rural areas.
Another factor is the single child rule that concentrate more resources into lesser people, further accelerate the upward increase scores speed until all reaches its highest limit to take it natural course.
You raise the spectre of Xi as a megalomaniac who knows he must stay in power for another 15 years to guarantee that China is powerful enough to achoeve his ambitions.
I asked my family why didn’t you keep 10commandments. They replied, dear, our pastor said its for Jesus to keep only, not possible not anyone. Whoever can, he bcom Jesus…. so they live happily doing as they like without guilt, juz like their spiritual leaders.
Your link make me think its a well instituted spiritual genocide to china, a Asian country majority worshiping a West invented legend as Gawd! That 100M doesn’t even include bigger undergd.
But these already happen in all Asia without publicizing only, with their gov all christianized in what West said, soft power coup. Except China has largest market that make it too monstrous scary if the sheeples bomb activated.
The West strategy may backfired one day….when Chinese turn around controlled Vatican & all Western churches with its 600M christians.
Xi will be wise to stop or he has failed his duty. They aren’t so stupid to believe Anglos spin of listen Chinese: Opium is harmless, Sesame is poison, Xtianity is great.
Some of this reflects reality but it also has to do with the fact that Indian women *on dating sites* are deliberately avoiding more traditional ways of meeting a husband. (I also second Lin to an extent).
Imo, its a wise move, when existential “war” is imminent, pres muz not be tied by term restriction that only applied in peace time.
Yes, my china visitors juz told its done with blessing of even Hu JT. They are receptive, with very high appraisal of Xi performance and outlook of China.
That idea of abolishing 2 terms & age limits are pushed by other elders, not Xi idea, in order to better govern the 1.4B huge nation. But Xi will still look out for successor, its tiring job afterall.
Another said this move is necessary for Xi to able continue carry out restructuring and exec grand plans without been slided as last term pres. Who know he may juz step down suddenly after 2 terms.
Corruption was literally gone even down to lowest level that make their biz more difficult, unable to bribe through now. People are now monitoring, publicizing any abuse through media that will make these officials lose their job. But they are now paid so well, petty corruption is not worth anymore.
If its true, within 5yrs Xi could really turn around China deep seated corruption is a miraculous feat. There are so many restructuring in every levels. China is striving ahead daily while Uncle Sham still wallowing in mud playing tyranny everywhere.
Yes she said she is a white Caucasian woman of IQ 90+, who hate beautiful fair white silky skin Chinese, Japanese, Korean women that we men white or non white all salivate and dream to import. Then she sing praise to North Indian very hairy woman like selling snake oil Indian.
North Indian woman is really beautiful only if they are beautiful, idiot. But for sure, only can last a few years after marriage, unlike Asians kept good figure for lifetime. Their waistline balloon to 35″ feasting all your food, and 40″ after child delivery. Look at all Bollywood fat stars. Malla know too well.
These guy raise some good points on the issue of clandestine churches in China…..
https://www.globalresearch.ca/contaminating-confucius-christianity-in-china/5410359
Here’s murkkan hubris, hypocrisy at its finest.
See how the sob Frank Wolf bludgeoned poor Gary Locke to take up the cudgels for ‘oppressed Chinese xtians’ !
What a shameless twit !
hehehehe
http://heresthenews.blogspot.sg/2011/03/obama-china-envoy-grilled-on-church.html
Hmmm
Some Welsh guys prompted me to include some glaring omissions,,,…..
Get the hell outta ,….
WALES,
IRELAND,
SCOTLAND.
!!!
BTW, regarding some indian women turned fat, there’s a reason:the Camel Effect:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Gene_making_Indians_fat_found/rssarticleshow/3013224.cms
http://www.halls.md/bmi/singapore.htm
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Many 3rd worlders(Chinese included)suffered presently or historically from chronical hunger and its particularly obviously in India. The environmental factors got into the genes that during time of normal food sufficiency, the body would tend to accumulate fat, just like a camel,to prepare for future food shortage. Comparing an indian to other people of the same weight and height, the indian usually have higher fat content. That also explain why Indians often love candies and confectionery. Because ‘hunger’ usually is associated with severe carbohydates deficiency. The Irish famine in early 1840s was a potato famine, not a beef burger famine.
Chinese diet actually isn’t that bad. I did checked some stats(correct me if I were wrong): Chinese grain production in 1978, just after the cultural revolution was some 40% higher than indian figure in 2015. Chinese meat consumption/capita/yr now is about 60-65 kg while the US figure is about 100 to 110 kg. We’ve come a long way. Trump IMO made a bad mistake to charge higher tariff on Chinese products; what he should’ve done is asking Xi to import more US food like beef and chicken
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I suspect attilathehen is one of those overweight feminists who couldn’t get the dates she fancies and keeps complaining. I do hope she could lose a few pounds and be happy
They’ve found the root cause of the problem,
Its the bloody 炒面，！
hehehehhe
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/khap-rape-chowmein-118852-2012-10-16
heck !
Here’s the correct link….
http://heresthenews.blogspot.com/2011/03/obama-china-envoy-grilled-on-church.html
Do you think Derbyshire would disagree with that statement?
If so, why?
I’d call Xi a run-of-the-mill Chinese leader. Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao must be kicking themselves for not elevating themselves to President-for-life when they had the chance. As to Xi’s ambitions, they are Chinese ambitions rather than a personal affectation. China’s not Germany or Japan, a bit player on the world stage for most of recorded history. China’s self-conception, reflected in its very name, is of itself as the center of the world – the sole civilization in a veritable ocean of barbarians. Its particular sense of mission civilisatrice, which pre- dates the White Man’s Burden by thousands of years, does not merely give it license to acquire foreign lands – it confers upon such efforts the status of moral imperative.
You are missing the elephant with regards to xtians in China. Don’t worry so much about RC. Be more concerned with protestants and evangelicals. In the USA, without them, the Israel lobby would not be that powerful.
There is also the dimension that the party’s “final 300s” now have accepted that war is more likely than not and have began to knuckle to reality.
“John Derbyshire wants to invigorate Eurocentrism and Orientalism which is the only tool he believes the White can fight against China rise and save themselves. He is skillfully bringing all the Eurocentrism and Orientalism skeletons (books) from library of SOAS, the School of Oriental and African Studies, in London back to life in this article as seeds to spread and grow, otherwise those toxic writings would be forgotten under the dust on the shelves in the library of SOAS.”
You got him pegged good. Bloody brilliant!
“If you could choose what race to be before you were born, there would only be Caucasian people in the world”I wouldnt wannbe european for the simple fact that your genes have been deteorating for the past 5000 yrs, black hair beats brown blonde or red hair anytime of the the day not to mention age resistant skin. did you go to school with lotsa asians like LA or the bay area seems to me like this is where your dislike of asians come from
Denk, are you by chance a German-speaker?
Those Gweilo killed in the Boxer movement were fanatic cult inquisitors, human right violators, and culture genocide prosecutors. They were criminals using extraterritorial rights to steal and loot lands and properties in China with impunity, they were kidnapping, snatching and spiriting away Chinese women and kids to become church slaves to be abused sexually and physically, in addition they were degrading, destroying and assaulting Chinese culture and tradition recklessly and relentlessly.
Qing sent highest ranking royal family members to Eight Nation League nations apologize for the troubles caused by the Boxer to them, in addition China paid eight hundred million ounces of silver and more unequal treaties to the Eight Nation League nations, and executed thousands of officials and Chinese demanded by the Eight Nation League as package of the apology.
John Derbyshire, are you, the White, going to apologize for the millions of Chinese victims killed by the Eight Nation League false flag aggression and those perpetrators instigated the Boxer movement? And pay back the extortion your nations extorted from China?
John Derbyshire is a classic history denier, a diehard Eurocentrist, and Orientalism believer. JD lies about the present, about the past, even about the future. JD is jealous, resentful and fear of China’s rise.
Please read comment #554 to get yourself educated.
RAccepted that you have put rational thought into the issue but before your next polemical firing I recommend reading up on Flynn Effect and thinking of its many possible causes (and consequences) plus Ron Unz’s demolition of the left and right by demonstrating the nonsense to be found in the (for some it seems) canonical works of Lynn (with or without Vanhenen and not excluding some of the late Phil Rushton’s excesses of credulity).
I simply wish to point to the dysgenic breeding which started in the Protestant West in the late 19th century and has certainly spread to East Asian cities. Consider what must happen when female equality means most of your bright females are putting off having children till their 30s, and are having only one or two while their medical skills are saving the eight children of the young peasant (or Palestinian refugee!! Jihadists to spare). I pointed out to one bright young man that few of the marvellous female CEOs will benefit our future as much as their high IQ great grandmothers who reared twelve children (typically 6 to adulthood in my case) and the bright chap said “same goes for the blokes!” You may, as I have done , get mileage out of telling that to a group of eight smart 17/18 year old females at a holiday house with family 🙂
Oh dear, you have problems don’t you. Anger management? I think Mao’s Cultural Revolution might have been good for your apparent mixture of frustration, resentment and feelings of inadequacy exacerbated by career failures. A calming couple of years without electronic media back in China amidst peasants struggling with water shortages in the west might be good for your soul, and, in the end, your intellect.
Thank you fofr strengthening my point with more accurate information.
it is never stupid to prepare for war. I think the 250 nukes china have is too small of a deterrent vs the current retards in the usa who thinks usa can win a nuclear war due to china’s small number of nukes.
get ICBM with MIRV to 500 count. no more hot war. they may think usa can survive 50 nukes but not 500 nukes raining down. china should do this for world peace, so retards like that would not start a nuclear war.
Not concerned with John Derbyshire per se.
However, it seems to me a significant fraction of especially older Caucasian males with Asian wives, are much more comfortable with the notion of Asia remaining poor, weak and subservient to the West.
It does speak to some underlying, unspoken view of their own wives as not really partners, but rather “trophies” for the Victorious, Triumphant White Man.
Thus the great unease, very soon shading into panic, at the rise of the “non-West”.
For Russia, Iran, India, Brazil, China, even Korea and Japan, and others, to rise and develop so rapidly challenges the concept of Western Exceptionalism. (Yup, Western and not merely American).
The official published estimate of China’s nuclear force is 100 ICBMs, many road- and rail-mobile, many with multiple warheads.
That’s the official version. Still a force basically impossible to preemptively knock out and prevent from destroying the U.S. in a retaliatory strike.
Note that China aims no weapons at military targets – all Chinese weapons are aimed only at cities. They are not going to play games with limited nuclear war, beyond a certain threshold of nuclear weapons use by the enemy, they will let fly with everything, basically making sure everyone loses.
But I do agree, China seems to spend so little on the nuclear deterrent. The spending may not even reach 5% of their defense budget, which is itself only about 1.5% of their economy. They could spend considerably more without slowing down the economy.
Lol, A white man asking for apology from natives for beating them up after their murder and steal on their native land. I love it. I think Chinese should sent in a few gun boats to knock on door of London to make some of own demand… They should also encourage people of middle east, people of sub continent, and people of Africa to do same same. They should demand one white life for one the killed by them, and see where white man’s world will end up.
Mr Deng had said it nicely, while we got destroyed by someone, they are not gonna get away without some punishment.
A punishment beyond tolerable for entire world, even 200 is too many to juz self-explode. Realist China don’t need number game as US vs Soviet, wasting immense resources on 15,000 each. But more realistic est is 400-500, with JL2, JL3 Submarine launch indestructible.
Now US & Russia probably have less than 1000 workable warheads each after decades of deterioration. US is working on 3 nuke warheads renewal programs simultaneously, overload their single prog capacity. Russia declared complete renewal.
China is buildg world most new Nuclear power plants now. cheapest way to get nuke grade for new design. Its only one with A-bomb now, a design diff from US/SU, long lasting type. Late comer bonus.
Ex-com of 2nd artillery BG Zhu WH once warned Bush against starting a regional war to destroy China rising; “China won’t fight a losing conven war, get ready to exchg hundreds of cities, and China will survive.”. Then he shot down a satellite to prove what it means for US blinded war machines without GPS. World leaders gone panicked, the rest is history. Cities, you got it. Murkans most concern is own fat ass, not mercenaries military lifes.
One nuke is too many for deterrent. In every US wargaming, its said red China-player always reverse loss and win by launching its Muderer Mace 杀手锏trump card…a unknown killer weapon hidden by mysterious Chinese that worry murkans.
Joe is typical patriotic Chinese angered by Western 8 alliance bullying till this day. While we are not from China, we too feel very agitated by FukusFrInd evil behaviour now. So naturally Chinese getting the direct shit has greater resentment.
My China friend told, some are ready to sell everything to support their gov for war during SCS fake Hague court judgement. People esp Chinese are united to defend against external threat, better than their penchant for internal bickering in peace time.
You have not able to defend why do you make repetitive polemical firing, from silly attack to a valid quip on Attilathehen foolish comment, to again attempt to call a reasonable IQ remarks absurd & ridiculous when politely been ask to clarify.
You indeed have a habit of shooting from your ass firing off comment without grabbing its pts, isnt it, but ok the odor is over now, let’s breath again.
This is whole world problem, brought by break neck fast speed globalization that making urban life so tense & materialistic in midst of fierce competition in every levels, internal & external. Even Animal don’t produce more offspring under unfavourable condition. In agri life you need many free helpful hands like 12 kids, not in urban life where a misfired kid cost you a lifetime bomb.
Ancient China Han Polygamy practice is the way out to organically revolves human gene improvement, the best male mate with as many best beautiful females to produce the best offsprings with best upbringing condition. Feminist will scream.
Catholic & Islam have took a wrong turn to use it as: when we multiply like rabbits to outnumber everyone, we are the winner. Turkey Erogan is screaming this slogan now for his Ottoman Empire dream…produce more poor retard jihadists.
You remind me of my noticing with interest the expression of pride in China’s achievement in building nuclear weapons that I heard from a Chinese university student from Hong Kong in the 60s when we wete both doing a bit of casual gardening work.
I am the first to point out that Chinese people’s good qualities were accurately appreciated by the great Sir Francis Galton in what should be a famous letter to The Times in June 1864 headed “Africa for the Chinese” (I first learned of it from John Derbyshire btw) but sadly “the madness of crowds” and other human follies haven’t bypassed the Chinese. How about superstition (though I know too much to brand as unintelligent the surprising number of high achieving religious people I know) and how about gambling for starters?
But let me just take off from your “united to defend against external threat” for one salient comment. Wouldn’t it be absurdly paranoid to imagine China seriously threatened today, or any time since about 1953? As to the STC trivia (relatively) I think the US should certainly expect China to take steps to prevent the US being the effective enforcer right on its doorstep but what’s your problem with the Hague court decision. Is it going further than saying that territorial limits are 12 miles from established permanently above sea level territory? (I forget how the 200 miles and the halfway lines and lines on continental shelf edge) work. Do you claim to know beyond making ethnocentric polemic noises?) That has surely been ling established while many existing countries didn’t even have ocean going ships. Are you claiming that China, because it is big and strong enough to bully others (like the USA I agree) should be able to pick and choose which established institutions it will respect now that ir is a permant member of the Security Council, a member of the WTO etc? BTW i have known only a few international court judges, arbitrators etc. and I know of no reason for holding international court decisions in generalused contempt despite the problems of the field such as lack of a police force and enforceability generally. Have you particular knowledge? And BTW can any general case be made for giving control of navigation rights in the SCT to one country?
What a pity that US polucy towards Russia and China since 1990 has been so unintelligent that it is not possible to be sure one is fair in criticising a leader like Xi for not, urbanely, broadcasting to his people a message of modesty, restraint and dignity befitting a great people whose methods of government in a changing world lost their way for a time. but which is now effectually restored to where it should be (OK there are probably a lot of country people who would listen cynically and say “when do we benefit – even though they have already…)
I only learned some German words like achtung achtung from those ww2 war comics .
I kinda like Germans, but….
What has gotten to Merkel’s head ?
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/970512/news-angela-merkel-china-balkans-investments-free-trade-new-silk-roads
They even took off his valuables after walking pass that fainted guy in US.
Jim is trying to single out China unfairly, and just lucky he fainted in London save by some kind souls. Try some London outskirts poor area by lying down pretend to faint, see if his trouser still intact.
In India or some countries, your kidneys are gone. Ass is sore, oops, who did it.
These are common human problems prevalence in poverty hit area, even in developed countries to lesser extend, Dinh and others had discussed about that in Vietnam too.
Hmmm
But they’r WMMing that toxic brew to the Chinese,
ITS like a time bomb ticking right inside the PRC !
Would it not have been almost insane in the 1990s to propose as realistic a possible major war (with or without nuclear weapons) between China and the USA. Even the loons who thought America could effectually govern Iraq wouldn’t have proposed allowing US forces to get bogged down in China or seen it as acceptable to risk even one Chinese nuclear weapon killing Americans in America. But now??? I would be almost as confident except that Trump’s tweets and White House revolving chaos leave a 5 per cent doubt, which, if an accurate assessment, is horrifying, and, if not accurate and vastly overstated, is still a reason for deploring the behaviour of Ameriva’s political class, including the President.
But aren’t America’s evangelical Zionists a bizarre American peculiarity? And if they evangelise as missionaries in China are they really likely to turn sensible Chinese minds to such lunacy? Hasn’t some cynic written “In Praise of the Rice Christians”? 🙂
I’d never heard it called the “camel effect” though it is immediately understandable. I wonder if there is a class/caste difference derived from hundreds of years without food shortage. Maybe check the Parsees.
In Australia it is notorious that Aborigines don’t handle the availability of modern high calorie foods well with high rates of obesity and diabetes. Even the Polynesians who did a bit of gardening show some of the same problem. And that of course is before you introduce the novel attraction of alcohol.
It would be interesting to contrast and compare the element of paranoia in European attitudes and behaviour toward Jews, Chinese toward Christians and, say, Buddhists in Sri Lanka to Tamils and in Burma to Rohingya. Hitler and the Nazis managed to make the outcome for Jews unique thoughn
I suppose the last 70,000 years has seen some complete genocides. One of the problems for Egypt’s Copts is that there are so many of them. Maybe Russia will be a country that one day welcomes them all – for more than one obvious reason.
“The West is nice now because it’s exhausted”. Your point is obviously not entirely wrong any more than your observation about our being a nasty species. But I think you are leaving out some huge factors.
One is simply the supersession of Malthusian demographics over the last two hundred years. Remember that WW2 was made possible by birth rates that meant 2 million Germans and 5 million Russians were born in 1913. Not surprising that an old fashioned chap like Hitler thought the master race needed Lebensraum. Japan is not so exhausted thatit couldn’t quickly carve out an empire somewhere that is badly run and no modern people want: say Somalia. But it has absolutely no need to think of it. An English cricket or soccer team could easily beat its counterparts of 1900, 1925, 1950, 1975…. but the prosperity that underpins that and the enjoyment the players’ grandparents are probably getting from their performances means that there is no reason to lament the end of Empire.
Another approach is that of applying Maslow’s hierarchy of needs to explaining the changing behaviour of prosperous middle class people in Europe from early in the 19th century.
I could throw in the theory that busy executioners up to the mid 19th century reduced the gene pool for serious nastiness quite a bit but I think I have made my point.
And the interesting extension of my ambivalent warning about China returning to centralisation is that Almerica’s residual federalism (my usage emphasises the division of power geographically) and that of Europe may mean that copying the best Chinese models will take place earlier and more vigorously than it would under a Qing Emperor (OK that’s a low bar – and reminds me to contrast and compare Japan in the 19th century). As someone who believes my family (absent some ghastly mutation – fragile X syndrome anyone) has the genes and investment nous, combined with past good luck and ordinary future luck to enjoy the best of education and material comfort over let’s say a six generation period or more I am interested in what a Xi led government might do to facilitate sane, conscientious people of talent and high to very high IQs being able to live without having to counterplot against the envy and greed or just sanctimonious mala fide moralising of those with less talent, and maybe less luck, who would drag them down whether with taxes or more general means. I have been a democratic political animal but I don’t trust to the brains and generosity of the demos to look after those I really care about. Maybe I would have been a happy court Jew provided the court looked stable.
You seem very confident of your not very original and even half baked views (e.g. about polygamy where there is much more to be said). Perhaps you would sound a little more mature if you more or less identified yourself – like Malla for example – and gave yourself something to live up to.
What would you expect from a nation that get constant aggression threats by many foreign countries including getting nukes by US during Korean war?
Many Chinese appreciate Mao for letting China stand up. Deng for filling stomach. Xi for prosperity.
These are deeply ingrained in majority less intelligent Chinese DNA, incl its overseas diaspora, they juz can’t resist like fire to moths.
No, its a very true serious threats brewing for last many yrs. USUK are doing everything they could to undermine China. China will be naive to trust these vultures are pigeons.
Deng was smart to apply 韬光养晦-to conceal one’s strengths and bide one’s time (idiom) to avoid USEu excessive attention to draw containment. Russia Putin make that mistake but China help shielded him from total containment.
Now China has grown too big its not possible to conceal or afraid of been swallow up anymore, Xi decided its time to move on to next higher phase for China dream, that alarm/frighten the West much seeing China surge pass in every fronts.
China never make such claim, nor ever stupid to interfer any navigation rts in SCS that benefit it most. Its US overwhelming propaganda war to stir tension betw China & Asia, demonized China as a menacing bully.
Didn’t you noticed since 2017 every single news article about SCS carried on its bottom a standard template stating something like 5Trillions trade pass thru SCS and China is doing whatsover…. to subconsciously scare the world.
China is contesting on:
1. FON- A nonsense that USmilitary warship has been intruding many countries like Iran & even its allies territories 12 nautical miles. FON is for commercial ships, or due to some valid reason but with consent for military ships. Why US not try Russia?
200miles is EEZ, Center line is between two countries borders when its narrower than 400miles.
2. Its historical rights in 9 dotted lines & all spratly islands that whole world recognized until Obama trying to rebalance there.
I have tried debunk the SCS myth here:
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-chinese-in-southern-vietnam/#comment-2197730
There are some Western scholars and academics also pointed out these, esp all maps showing China owned the international recognized 9 dotted lines & its islands since 1800 or earlier up to 1950’s Canada still printing such maps. So are Japan ancient maps. The world leaders know well, very few support the fake Hague ruling but some are toeing US war against China.
Singapore KT Lim(i think she possibly a professor in marine laws) done an excellent job to expose Princeton Professors shameless lies about SCS judgements & US Jp Phip conspiracy. China should reward her for standing up against the lying world You can contact her facebook by KT Lim.
http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/did-the-ruling-sink-the-rule-of-law
China has evolved to a stage that territory expansion by force is not in their textbook, knowing its reason how every empire fall. Their many ancient teachings on Arts of managing country sternly war Emperor from engaging any wars by all mean unless for defense, esp for useless border lands.
Xi has been obviously practising these ancient arts & Confucianism skillfully.
修身齐家治国平天下
Cultivate one’s moral virtue first, then regulate the family, and rule the state(country) before pacifying the country(world).
Xi is ruling China now with many own enormous problems, there is no need to interfer the world like USEU so busy poking noses into other ass thousands of miles away to complaint its smelly, while own backyards are stink with sewage overflowing.
I noticed animals always gobbled up food in their mouth/ throat (monkeys, squirrels) or stomach(dogs, cattle) quickly for later consumption when face danger. camel effect is another.
But indians are not any camel effect. They simply talk through flour-rich curry dinner starting from 8-11pm…that’s part of culture & where family/frnd gather. My North indian friends with beautiful wife import from India(match making with good dowry, better than pick a non obedient white) did that, sometimes i join in.
Its very fattening yet they seldom exercise, so his wife beauty can’t last long…but Indians like big fatty tummy women in Bollywood, correct Malla?
Chinese, Korean & Japanese diet are prone to simple less oily cuisine. Slim figures are highly admired, they will go on diet or fasting Immed whenever someone casually ask about their flabby arms.
Asians have no thick long blackish facial body hair so skin is smooth like Tofu. Look at whites or Indians women prickling legs like toilet brush you know. They shave regularly like men, incl moustache…
Sorry, I don’t want to answer anon comments.
For all I know, you could be Derbyshire himself.
If you really want an answer, you can ask me with your real handle. Then I’ll answer.
Agreed. You seem to have a very good understanding of the Chinese way of thinking.
So after getting a polite return complement for all your unwarranted polemical firings, your hip auto shoot again?
I already said odour is over, let’s start a new. Old habit hard to change, too much half baked beans eating indeed can cause flatulence. Ok, call it a day, my dear Oz brother.
I don’t care particularly, it just seemed that your comment had not much of a point, and it struck me that as it appeared to me (due to whatever deficit of perception on my part) it might to others as well, and you might want to address that. But no harm, no foul.
Che, but im seeing Japan consumer products esp white goods & other technologies are declining so fast in last 10~20yrs. Could you share what is happening in Jp?
-The design of Jp make brands are generally getting very antique look unattractive now, ave tech, design not so good, reliability/quality problem, but expensive.
Whereas Korea brands are becoming better tech, new modern look with innovative design, good features, gd quality, cheap. China brand is still trying to catch up, cheap but quality no gd.
-There are continuous news that Jp factories are having fraud QC like false claimed specs of special Steel, cars,..
-Jp Semiconductor used to be world No.1 largest, but now its like dropping quite low. Even Toshiba is selling off its Dram factories. Memory its typical Korea brand Samsung/LG/Hynix. LCD, OLED screen…
-Why near total absent from smart phone & tablets market, except Sony but simply not competitive.
google shows only 24 ICBM capable of reaching anywhere in the usa with 11,000km range(not sure how accurate). with MIRV it should be enough for the sane people. not with the current retards in the usa and else where. china needs the capability to rain down 500+ nukes for the retards to stay harmless retards.
I like peace. I am sure all of us don’t want to die due to retards. china needs to do this for us all.
there are alot of online crazies posting about how usa can survive 50+ nukes and still be a super power and be set back only 10-20 years of progress. this is how crazy, naive and stupid they are. they have reached even the super serious forums I visit. it is why I have taken them seriously since 2017.
that is what china needs to safeguard against. china needs to take this seriously. china needs 5x the current ICBM numbers. china needs to do this so we can all live in peace.
I don’t want to chance it, not this.
He thinks that China wants to conquer the world.
You think that’s a rational reflection of Chinese thinking?
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You have added much interesting information which I hope to follow up. That said, let me add my own take on the SCS controversy. First that it should be unimportant in practice (although allowing China to bully neighbours much as the US does). [Contrast and compare Canada and Taiwan in relation to their relations with the US and China respectively I toss in. The Phillipines could be Columbia say.]
Second that most of the trade and shipping in the SCS is going to and from China; and that to send trade with Korea and Japan to the East of the Phillipines would not be earth shattering in its impact.
Thousands of years of mission civilatrice which you appear to endorse as a reasonable self image is not quite what my recent reading supports. While the Egyptian and Mesopotamian (and maybe Indus) great periods had ended, the Chinese Warring States Period coincided with growth of Hellenism and ended with the utter barbarity of the first emperor and his son before Han rule began about 205 BC. It appears that it was from Greek models that the form of the Xian army of soldiers as individual statues was taken. It is surely only from about 600 or 700 AD until – with Mongol interposition – about 1430 that China was a civilisation to dazzle Western eyes (if they had got there).
They did get there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Montecorvino
They were impressed but not dazzled.
That’s not what I read from his comment.
From what I understand, he says unlike Germany and Japan, China had been a top world power for millenias, which is what I also stressed. Germany and Japan had never been top world powers, or even substantial regional powers before the 18th century (in fact, the country of Germany didn’t even exist before the 17th or 18th century, Germans on the other hand, existed before that).
And consequently, China’s ambitions is different from Germany’s or Japan’s ambition, in that China is not a “new-rich” like Germany and Japan, who desperately want to show-off and dominate and prove themselves. And that China prides itself over its high civilization, and wants to return to its former glory. That doesn’t mean China wants to conquer the world at all. These are completely two different things. In any case, from what I understand, that means China does NOT want to try to conquer the world, like Germany and Japan tried to and miserably failed and brought terrible sufferings on its own peoples. Because Chinese people have more wisdom and experience than that, due to a very long historical tenure and experience as world’s top power. And obviously, nowhere in his comments did I see the word “conquer”.
Like I said, I don’t answer anon comments. If you want to talk to me, use your real handle. Otherwise I will ignore you from now on.
Excellent riposte to [the description of] Midler’s book. I’m reading it now – about half way through and I am quite enjoying it even though I get the feeling I don’t much like the author. Too US neocon for my liking.
However, he’s clearly very intelligent and very experienced in doing business in China at high levels. His opinions, making due allowance for American neocon biases, have weight behind them.
China’s not going to conquer anything. They have their own internal huge problems to deal with. It is the fastest aging country in the world. They have performed over 400 millions abortions since the 1980s. Xi Jingping’s now dictator status is just a reflection of the Chinese character. The masses will accept this and do as told. The Japanese, who are smarter than the Chinese, were supposed to take over the world in the 1980s. The world didn’t turn Japanese.
Derbyshire has a Chinese wife and offspring. He is conflicted because of whom walks around his house, some Chinese people who he realizes are his family. Derbyshire’s writing is a strange variation of Christian confession. He is also an atheist. He is conflicted about this family, afraid of the Jews, and believes Asians are superior to whites. It is time for him to put himself away and quietly suffer from the sins of his choices.
Since you like being Asian, I hope you don’t live in the West. If you do, leave. As to your relatives who married whites in Australia. If they still believe Asians are superior, you can take them and their spouses to whatever part of Asia whence you came.
This is my “real handle” for all intents and purposes.
Like I said, no harm, no foul. Life is short– respond to whom you like.
Hey, sweet heart,
I had lived in the West. And I’m a well read person.
“As to your relatives who married whites in Australia. If they still believe Asians are superior..”
Tell me why should people want to tag this or that ‘people’ superior or not ? Some ethnic groups have a bad time like the dalits in india or Shiites in Saudi Arabia; that’s due to historical circumstances, why label them as ‘inferior’ ?
“you can take them and their spouses to whatever part of Asia whence you came.”
Was it how you father treated your mom and take her to wherever without her consent?
I suspect you were abused as a child, very resentful in personal relationship and I feel lots of anger in you. My sympathy as a fellow human being.
Without religion, people aren’t restraint and all hell get loose. To defuse that known time bomb, best way is to replace it with better one that it deems safe through natural process.
Most told Xi favour Han’s tradition Mahayana Buddhism as its heavily doped with Han’s culture & wisdom, but there is juz chronic lack of good quality Mahayana monks. In fact most are corrupted gathering $ that their precepts prohibited. Once they touch $, all vices follow.
So Chinese gov are supporting some good Theravada Buddhist monks to help reestablish Mahayana Buddhism, esp on the meditation aspect that Mahayana lack off.
China think tank probably has studied all religions carefully to conclude Buddhism is the best for its people spiritual welfare and country stability.
Btw, Buddhism is not a religion as it doesn’t profess a All Mighty Creator God that transcend central gov power, but a teaching of Nature Truth that are in line with all Chinese teachings like Taoism & Confucianism promoting harmony with nature & society(hence the emperor).
So Xi is indeed wise to fuse Chinese culture with Confucianism virtue social behavior and Buddhism spiritual development into its China Dream.
You seem to be a pathological Asian hater, often bragging your white IQ 90 and jabbing John Derbs imported Chinese wife & offsprings jealously.
Been a unattractive (fat?)white woman with low 90 got nothing to do with obedient beautiful Asian women out competing you, its your feminism, gene & diet. Loose a few pounds by skipping dinner, go Korea has a good plastic surgery & behave lady-like gracefully to find a handsome Asian man will make all your life more happy than self-pitying criticizing Asians grudgingly.
To leave, it got to start with all whites leaving US, Canada, Oz, Nz, South Africa ….as they illegally occupied others land by violent force.
On the other hand, Asians in the West are welcome in legally by qualifying all stringent immigration requirements.
Though you don’t sound rational, funny nonetheless.
Thanks. I knew about Maro Polo but didn’t know about John of Montecorvino as one of the very rare birds
A National Geograaphic TV doco on China”s Grand Canal I’ve just seen suggests that , over a long period, there was much to dazzle Eurppean eyeds though it probably had its periids of neglect.
Which part of my of comment shows anger? Are you saying Chinese is not allowed to expose the White’s lies with historical facts? It seems you are same as the unrepentant war criminal Japanese, a history denier, a diehard Eurocentrist like John Derbyshire, a ‘God-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘Puritan’ like those White causing the Boxer movement. Poor native Americans, they don’t have any chance to tell the horror they endured under the hands of the psychopathic barbaric White and they are still being labeled as savages by their murderers, rapists and thieves.
There are plenty of those mentally colonized bananas, the separatists in HK and Taiwan amounts for tens of millions. The road to restore the dignity of the victims of the old days of colonialsim is long and hard. The unrepentant mentality of the White makes one wonders their genetic makeups.
Japanese has no civilization, they steal and borrow whatever they see fit, they don’t treasure what the got, because it is not theirs, everything they have is disposable when time is right, this is historical fact. The Japanese does not see there is anything wrong to be submissive to the White, they feel right in it as an honorary White despite the White tell them they are an unnormal one.
Chinese is going to work together with rest of the world to get rid of the the toxic, vindictive, cult, hypocritical culture and world order established by the brbaric White in the last few hundred years thru organized violence, lies and cult crusades and inquisition. Restoring basic decency destroyed by the White back to humanity is the responsibility of all mankind not just the Chinese.
BTW, Japanese like the Indian are pitbulls created by the White to harm Asians, they have no identity, they identify with their abusers. Using a lackey as a precedent is showing the White’s anxiety.
Sorry, i mean H-bomb, or Mega ton yield thermonuclear bomb.
It was believed that only China still keep multimegaton-yield warheads on some missiles. These are small numbers designed as a deterrent against enemy cities. Single warhead 3Mt is sufficient to make US consider seriously the destruction & radiation fall out. However Russia has claimed several times last year it still possessed heavy missiles with a single warhead capable to wipe out a France or Texas area. India boasted to have H-bomb, but its ever highest yield achieved is 50Kt, far too low.
Israel is suspected(sure) to own nuke, but never been need subjected to international inspection while Iran, NK are always been sanctioned & harassed by US.
Some info copied elsewhere for those interested to know more:
China development
Chinese nuclear test no. 6, the first Chinese thermonuclear test with a yield of 3.3 Mt
The People’s Republic of China detonated its first device using a Teller–Ulam design June 17, 1967 (“Test No. 6”), a mere 32 months after detonating its first fission weapon (the shortest fission-to-fusion development in history), with a yield of 3.31 Mt.
India development
India’s first nuclear test occurred on May 18, 1974. On May 11, 1998, India detonated a hydrogen bomb in its Operation Shakti tests (“Shakti 1”, specifically). Indian announced total yield of 56 kilotonnes [15][16] However, several independent and Western experts have reported lower yields for the nuclear test, and have posited that even the 50-odd kilotonne test claimed by India would still have been a very low yield for confirmation of a thermonuclear design.
French developments
Very little is known about the French development of the Teller–Ulam design beyond the fact that they detonated a 2.6 Mt device in the “Canopus” test in August 1968.
UK development
Grapple X Round C was exploded on November 8 and yielded approximately 1.8 megatons. On April 28, 1958 a bomb was dropped that yielded 3 megatons —Britain’s most powerful test. Two final air burst tests on September 2 and September 11, 1958, dropped smaller bombs that yielded around 1 megaton each.
US development
In 1954 this was tested in the “Castle Bravo” shot (the device was code-named the Shrimp), which had a yield of 15 megatons (2.5 times higher than expected) and is the largest U.S. bomb ever tested.
The US arsenal evolved towards “counterforce” designed to destroy Soviet missile silos, and towards moderate-yield warheads to accomplish that job without releasing as much radioactivity, as a war with thousands or tens of thousands of these going off could inject a great deal of radioactivity into the biosphere.
Soviet development
The Soviets demonstrated the power of the “staging” concept in October 1961, when they detonated the massive and unwieldy Tsar Bomba, a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb that derived almost 97% of its energy from fusion. It was the largest nuclear weapon developed and tested by any country, but was far too large for military purpose to use as a weapon – even though it was dropped from an airplane in its lone test over Novaya Zemlya.
Pakistan, Israel not yet detonated a H-bomb test. NK claimed so, but too small yield.
Chinese goods is beating Western, Japanese and Korean products everywhere, are you saying the Americans and Europeans consumers do not know what they are doing? Don’t insult your compatriots’ intelligence. The only stupid guy here is the only buries his head in the hole with old days of colonialsim and cold war rhetoric instead of seeing the real world and pull himself up to compete.
Read his comment 528.
Then again link this
Not conquer, but first annex & then acquire foreign land.
Sorry, its KT Tan. My memory is declining… after too much time spend reading unz.
There was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation since the late 15th century.
What did not exist was a German nation state, but the German country is as old as France.
Joe, this is far from true, i myself are frustrated with many China make goods that only allow me to use a few times or worst, not even once.
Does it make sense to spend $5 for a China make that can’t use, or a $10 Thailand make that last 2yrs, Japan $30 used to last 10yrs but now 2yrs, Germany $50 with great design that last till your grandchildren.
I muz admit that China has make many things so cheap, some with reasonable or quite amazing good quality, that i enjoy much with affordability(even i choose the higher price products).
But the cut throat competition for cost and rampant fake or counterfeit are flooding market with very bad quality products. You shop in Taobao should know, although its convenient & cheap, you might get a hammer that broken on first hit. These same mixture of gd/bad products are also flooding the world.
Its still some way for it to reach even Singapore/Malaysia design & quality, let alone Japan/ Europe.
That’s why we are here discussing openly, no need to follow same mistake the West make, refuse to wake up from their past colonial glory hubris whining how Asia steal their lunch with cheap labour. Germany is the only pragmatic realistic country able to recognize and remain the best without hollowing its manufacturing.
In comment 370 below i said, its time China gov push for Quality now after all the pollution & junks sacrifice to keep break neck growth for sustain development & social stability. China has very steep learning curve, under most severe threat and restriction by West, but it has already passed that critical threshold.
After the copy & paste 1st phase, now it has started R&D phase with some leading innovation, Quality is critical factor for it to reach EU/Jp standard. Korea development is a gd example. Only then China can really start the next phase of innovation to leapfrog everyone like Germany, but 10x capacity.
Re: the executions part.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Chinese friend.
Me: “Is it true what unofficial estimates say, that China publicly executes maybe 5,000 people a year?
Friend: “That’s absolutely not true!”
“We publicly execute at least 16,000 people a year – and it’s not enough”.
This is too late, but I was reading many years ago, many (more than ten) years ago, about some clever people in China setting up a fake NEC. They had a plush head office, and several branch offices.
Since I love many stories by Phillip K. Dick, this was like one come true, fascinated me.
They were closed down, but to make a simulacrum of a big corporation, and run it for some years, it is just like something from one of PKDs novels.
Only, it was real.
Yes, google says that.
In fact, the estimate for China’s ICBM force in 1980 was 20 missiles, all capable of reaching most U.S. cities. Not accurate, but with multi-megaton thermonuclear warheads, and since they target CITIES, enough for deterrence.
That’s 1980! China was so impoverished and technologically backward then. 20 ICBMs was believable in 1980. 24 ICBMs able to reaching U.S. metro areas are not very believable now, 2018. Quite a number of experts say they have more.
I think the current estimate is about 100 to 150 ICBMs, so what I did was I low-balled the expert estimate to come up with ~100 missiles. (Median estimate is ~130 missiles)
Though I agree, 100 or 150 missiles is truly pathetic for a nation like China. Modern rocketry, unlike jet technology, was something long ago mastered by China, as was thermonuclear (H-bomb) weaponry and laser-inertial guidance.
With those 3 technologies, even with no GPS whatsoever, you have viable very-long-range ICBMs.
Thank you for reminding me of what he posted before. That comment (528) was inexcusable, and I disagree with that comment entirely.
But still, judging by comment 548 alone, I don’t think he said China “wants to” annex and acquire foreign lands, he said China is given license and moral imperative to do so. I think there is a clear distinction there.
You are right. I should have used the phrase “nation state”. Or perhaps to be more precise, the “German Republic”.
But the Holy Roman Empire itself was a multi-ethnic state that also included Kingdom of Bohemia, the Kingdom of Burgundy, the Kingdom of Italy, and numerous other territories (quoted from Wikipedia).
TT,
I cannot give a true and full answer, for obvious reasons of contract and honour.
However, very impressed by S.K. tech. innovation, even when last there (some time ago). You will find that tech. from Japan is still in many places, but I agree, it is bad that most finished consumer products are made in China, Vietnam, Malysia
etc.now.also true that Malaysia is avoided recently because the Moslem arrogance of most Malays these days makes them useless as any kind of employees.
also true that Malaysia is avoided recently because the Moslem arrogance of most Malays these days makes them useless as any kind of employees
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The irony is that, despite what the Koran says, Arabs consider themselves above all other Muslims, so far above in fact that they actively despise South East Asian Muslims like the Malaysians and Indonesians. Even Filipino Muslims have noted the Arab racial arrogance.
So the Malays are at pains to become true fourth-class, practically sub-human Muslims, which is all they will ever be in the eyes of Arabs.
You people just don’t get it about Chinese and xtianity. You see xtianity is meant to be a world religion as the great gawd profit claimed. He said he is everyones gawd. But in order for xtianity to be a world religion it has to travel around the world. It started in the middle-east and made its way to Europe and then across the pond to the Americas and thats about as far as it has went. Xtian missionaries tried to bring it to other parts of the world but made very little progress. I guess they forgot to bring their swords with them along with the bible. Anyway for xtianity to be a world religion it has to cross the great pacific lake and consume the orient which it seems to be doing in China, maybe. So China’s destiny is to take xtianity through asia and back to the middle east which will mean xtiaity will have made around the world and will be a world religion. Now 600 million Chinese xtian crusaders will take Jeruselum and the destiny of xtiany will be sealed and the prosephy complete. Why the leaders of China don’t realize this opportunity I don’t know. If China wants to conquer the world their is no better thing to use than religion since people will have no problem dying for their religious beliefs. A Chinese Xtian army of crusaders could conquer asia.
Che, i understand what you mean.
NEC is top technology company. NEC HK & Japan Tokyo office used to handle China market directly instead of setting a regional HQ in China, so that may be the problem.
20yrs ago almost every consumer products, electronics, its Japan brands competing against themselves leading in every markets. US & European brands only few survive by niche technology.
SK is non existing, so backward in everything competing on low price, only Samsung is better in Dram through strategic massive investment due to its very smart chairman Lee. Now SK is quite impressive, but they still lack talent to go real high tech.
I found Japan is in a total declination from innovation, technology, design, manufacturing, quality, sales, price down to after sales service. This is a serious structural problem if not crisis for Jp?
Could it due to very old aging work force unable to innovate & design new things with new ideas anymore, while fewer young people no longer interested in engineering (as its hard long work but low pay in Jp)?
Also cost is high due to too many unproductive old senior staffs on top, with same old system of agents(for retired management) sucking too much commission, so young employees find no incentive to strive hard?
Is outsourcing to Asean/China production causing quality problem? I knew many Japan production when transfer out from Singapore to Malaysia or Indonesia become bad, their management & engr are very bad.
Now Yen ex-ch rate is high 112 vs USD. If strengthen to below 100 that will be bigger problem for Jp.
Joe Wong’s name is missing a “r” between the W and the O.
Could you share how did you derive that Xi hopes to be 2nd Mao, may end up as Yuan SK?
According to an interview with Xi elder sister, Xi is among all siblings most non ambitious & power clinging, very blend type. So his father selected him to serve the country and requested the rest to migrate for safety. Reason been such Xi character is safest to survive in China politics, as no one feel threaten. True enough, he rise up well, but thru many hard works.
When Spore ex-PM Lee Kuang Yew tried to size him up over lunch meeting after predicting he could be next pres, he remarked Xi is a very quiet man but with will of steel.
During SCS crisis leading to potential nuclear confrontation with USN, Xi was conspicuously silent throughout yet in control. In last year India border crisis, again Xi is quiet. Everything is done thru Foreign office. So when one day Xi tell Trump or Modi FOff, they know its real serious.
Xi exude confident and exert great influence thru his capability and performance to get consensus support from all party members & his people, without need of violent or police state. Even to abolish his term limit has not get any slightest resistance. They simply have faith with him.
All these resemble Deng XP style, few words, real action, show result, influence thru having complete trust from everyone, unlike autocratic Mao. So Xi likely will do quietly and dissappear quietly like Deng & Hu when his present is no longer required.
Why a need to annex foreign land to etch? Mao & Deng were considered great leaders, but never need or have done that. By fulfilling China peaceful rise & dream of a strong prosperous country is suffice. Only US, UK, European leaders did that historically DNA is different.
If China is going to get rid of toxic white culture they need to give up the car, telephone, computer, airplane, the list can go on and on.
As to Japan, here is a history lesson. Japan invaded China during World War II. Have you ever heard of the Rape of Nanking? Japan has fought China and won. When Japan decides to start producing nuclear weapons again, China will tremble.
Your jealously of India is evident. They have an Aryan past. Chinese does not.
Do you read JIng Yong ?
He should be feted as a national treasure. !
Jing’s books entertain and inspire billions of Chinese worldwide, its about love, filial piety, camaraderie, kindness, protecting the weak against the strong….his works all brimming with positive energies and its damn good read as well !
China needs all the 正能量，positive energy it can get, Jing should be in compulsory syllabus for Chinese schools, but then as we all know, anything that you need to study soon become a bore , so it defeats the purpose !
The next best thing is, promote Jing’s masterpiece alongside with the classics , Romance of the three kingdoms, Rebels of the water margin etc etc.
It’d do wonders to the Chinese psyche and make China
a truly humane society.
Hey bros,
please ignore attilathecunt,
the troll isnt worth our time, I’ve consigned it into my bozo file.
Damn, thats surprising, the cunt is correct, in her latest comment that is, 2000% correct 🙂
You mean 金庸？my favourite sword man novels, i had full collection in past. Its very addictive.
But you’re kidding to compare that to Chinese classic literatures that are much profound. Even im quite Chinese illiterate, certainly 国学，百家, 儒家思想，….禅宗Zen， 岳飞传，杨家将 …are more arousing. Jinyong novels standout bcos he copied many classic literature & arts/philosophy. You probably find inside some 易经YiJin, 道家Tao, 少林武功Shaolin kungfu, 五行八卦，战国春秋， etc.
Don’t worry for China, wise prez Xi already embarked on Confucianism & TCM. That’s more than sufficient for their mind & body welfare without conflicting with communism non believers. If Chinese study Confucianism alone, they won’t fall into Xtianity horror story of endless threat & punishments for total subordination to a violent gawd. CPC also promoting Han’s Buddhism. Original Theravada Buddhism is flourishing in Yunnan 西双版纳 now.
TCM 中医养生学will solve all their widespread illness created by Western greedy drug giants. Organic farming will resolve food shortage & pollution problem, and remove one major cancer caused by Monsanto GMO beans & maze.
Problem is stupidity of brainwashed Asian by CIAed Horriwood: West is Modern, East is Superstitious/Backward. So they embrace every Western junk including fast food, wine/beer drinking, English teas, aerobics, even Jp Korea Karate/Taekwondo, casual sex, feminism, LBGT, crazy arts..despising own superior culture juz to show they are upper class sophisticated.
If you are self confident, you pick only the best for yourself. Who cares its origin.
There is nothing comparable to Chinese tea art. British bought tea tree from China to grow in India/Celon to save $, but they didn’t learn the real arts of treatment. Try 普洱PuEr you will never drink Red Tea.
With Chinese Shaolin martial arts, Qigong, Taiji, who need other monkey tricks(I tried many in young time). Chinese civilization is simply too vast, too profound.
West technology is superior, British & Italian suits are great, German car best, Russian weapon superior, Samsung S8 good, Spore food excellent, Cuba cigar nice, ok, embrace and use it, don’t be stupid.
Know what is suitable for oneself is best. Putin suits is impeccably tailored. Lee Kuang Yew used a cheap tailor in Spore, wear Casio $20 watch. American high rank officers are fond of wearing $20 fake Rolex watch selling in Lucky Plaza. PM May spend a bomb even on her hair. Who care.
Im still waiting for Pres Xi to chge his non fitting Western suits & ties to Mao’s suit or MaGua马褂, put on a pony tail or shoulder length hair like 中华英雄，at least stop that Shanghai style greasy side combed hair, that German/EU minister made derogating remarks about all Chinese officials standard hairstyle.
Every nations needs to find its own suitable life. But Uncle Scam want everyone to swallow its sewage culture is the problem.
“If the Jews manage to conquer China as they conquered Russia and America it will be proof that the God of Israel does exist and that Jews are his chosen.”
Jews don’t like it when some goy thinks like they are thinking. The vast majority of the nations are already in their fold 95% – so essentially hey have proved to themselves that they are God’s chosen people. Time marches on, leaders come and go and the quality and character of leaders eventually falls to become as mediocre and amoral as the average citizen. While they cannot change because they have been chosen to be a holy people apart from humanity and must maintain their holiness and faithfulness.
As Samuel Johnson wrote: “Great works are performed realized not by strength, but by perseverance.” so we have the steadfastness tenacity determination and solidarity of the holy chosen Jews on one side and the spineless goy morons with no character – only fake ethics and principles. Essentially professional con artists. So who do you think YHWH wants to win?
I am Indian and I agree. I see no reason why India allies with America against China. We should make peace with Chinese and stop cuddling up to these bizarre progressive/xtian missionary countries in Europe and America.
It’s too small if it is perceived it is as too small.
Thus it’s too small. Yes need more nukes and also need a conventional skirmish of some sort with a sufficient capable foe to show western naval assets will China’s anti ship missiles.
Those from the “diplomat/wenhua” faction has control the script so far and all the appeasement moves have resulted with XJP getting his face full of eggs courtesy of Trump. Hopefully this approach has by now been discredited by now.
I am afraid “Christian Zionism” among evangelicals is pretty common. And yes, I don’t see why the converted in China will not embrace it as others have elsewhere.
Denk you mean 金庸? My favourite novels.
But to compare it with China classic literature? Altho im quite illiterate in Chinese, their literature & philosophy are profound, like 国学，百家，孔子，孟子，禅宗…岳飞传，杨家将，…these are more inspiring. Jinyong novels standout bcos included 易经，五行，战国，etc.
Don’t worry for China, Xi already promoting Confucianism & TCM. Good enough for Chinese mind & body welfare.
Problem is many are brainwashed by Western msm & CIAed Horriwood glorifying West values into believing: West is Modern, East is Backward.
So many blindly follow Western junks to try appear superior against peers. Xtianity main attraction in Asia is this nonsense of West Value is Scientific, Asian Value is Superstitious.
Im waiting to see when Pres Xi will drop its unfitting Western suits for Mao suit or 马褂 . Also change that Shanghai hairstyle of greasy black side combed hair. EU make a derogating joke about all Chinese officials standard hairstyle. I prefer a pig tail or shoulder length hair with 马褂 like 中华英雄, very stylish. Chinese should look like Chinese.
im freq block, can’t comment.
I dont know why you say german stuff is better quality than the japanese, japanese cncs cameras especially cars are much higher quality than the germans the land cruiser, lexus will go 500000 with minimum maintenance and are competetively priced
Afaic, Jing YOng is the best writer in Chinese history !
His works are being translated into English, but I think much of the spirit and essence would be lost in transit . 🙁
I dont think you’r are blocked , Ron very seldom censor comments , let alone banning commentators.
May be some software hitches some times ???
If you ever drive both a German & Japan car you know the big diff. Those own German car will never buy a Japan light weight tin can car.
Read engineering specs, you know which is truly superior. Mercedes Benz is true petrol economical (weight based) & solid in maintenance vs Jp. You pay cheap, u get cheap parts. Moreover, Lexus is more expensive vis a vis specs after changing the badge of Toyota, but no way near German quality.
Land Cruiser may be good. In one test, Ssanyong 4WD(using Mercedes tech) could beat all including Land Rover over steep climbing. And Ssy is using obsolete Mercedes sedan engine 250E. That surprised all judges when they check power train.
Only BMW is great for sporty driving, but maintenance sucked, esp 4WD tech acquired from Rover, its differential drive system may have design problem, at least in the one i have.
These my direct experience, may be others have own opinion. Similar to all Germ vis Jp. Its precision & quality always impress me, even Braun shaver & Muhle/Merkur Razor. Siemens, Bosch, Volkswagen, Audi, Opel, Porsche, Adidas, SAP, DHL, Osram,….
Japan has declined tremendously over last 20yrs. That’s why im asking Che what happen.
Germany(80M population) export could rank world No3(near to US 400M pp), double of Jp(130M pp), there is reason.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264623/leading-export-countries-worldwide/
China 2,098.16B US$
US 1,454.61
Germany1,339.65
Japan 644.93
Netherlands 569.71
Hong Kong, China 516.73
France 501.26
Korea 495.43
Italy 461.52
United Kingdom 409.4
How would you translate 九阴白骨爪？I think its a Swedish lady who studied Chinese in China do that translation. You gonna taste how a Kwailo cook your favourite Chinese wok fried sweet sour ribs using a western pan & Induction heater with ketchup.
Freq block, esp longer comment. Usually after 24hr ok again. So i need to keep short, else Ron get too tired moderating 100s juz default all mine into spam. 🙂
[Actually, the problem is the automatic spam-filter, that apparently sometimes assumes that long comments with lots of links or foreign symbols are just spam and sends them to the spam folder. If that happens, just leave a much shorter note without links or foreign symbols, alerting us to the problem.]
Yes she’s Swede, her Taiwanese hubby encourage her to take on this daunting task .
Here’R some samples how she translate the martial arts,”
the 18 palm attacks to defeat dragons
“Nine Yin Skeleton Claw
LOL !
ROFLOMA
This show she lacked understanding of both English & Chinese for translation.
降龙十八掌
Its not defeating but to subdue the dragon. Palm attack is wrong for 掌. More appropriate may be:
Dragon Subduing Eighteen Palm Strikes
So goes the rest, muz have corrupted my most favourite sword man novel to a comical cartoons…Chinese novel cannot be translated this way. Best is leave as it is with hanyupingyin, like JiuYingBaiGu Zhua/Zhao with a foot note to explain the meaning once. 八卦掌 as bāguàzhǎng
Give me if you have the free soft copy for some entertainment.
What’s wrong with China? To have Laowai to translate their classic literature, corrupting the soft power. Yijing, Daoism, Fengsui, Laozi…
Well, that is irony.
I had some upbringing in S’pore and Malaysia, at that time, except for the nth. east of the peninsula, malays were normal. School-friends, I was welcome in the villages where my friends were living.
Now I gather it is not so. As Lee Kuan Yew said, they increasingly self-segregate.
If you are wanting the exact quote, look up his name and ‘self-segregate’.
TT.
Firstly, I will say that when in Korea for a holiday not much less than 20 yrs ago (liking the place, so not the last), I was very impressed by the tech., both at the markets in Seoul and Busan (much pirate stuff, but also interesting products), and in the showcase building not far from the National Theatre of Trad. Performance.
So, SK’s good tech. is not new.
As for Japan, I would guess from knowledge that there have been quality problems in some overseas sites.
Still strong. You are probably using more made-in-Japan tech. than you imagine, again, I cannot go into details.
Sony is an outlier, thanks to their unwise investments in U.S. media companies, it ain’t Sony any more, the U.S. media companies control the whole thing, although parts are nominally indedendent, as long as they make a quarterly profit.
Sony having been revolutionary in consumer tech., that makes me sad.
Hope you are to read this. TT, main parts, but partial, sorry for late reply.
Sony used to be my favourite since small starting from Aiwa & Sony Walkman. Its special, very innovative & best quality. But now i don’t see anything special. Their Vaio laptop used to be real gd, but no more.
Toshiba now miserable, bought a US$3k fridge, look very old design but i thot good quality like previous one, end up many quality issues. Replaced with Samsung, $1.5K, wow very modern steel surface with LCD screen, ice cube making, quality very good.
Only Toyota, Nissan cars are getting better.
Now i use very few jp products, except $2 shop things. Even new Tiger thermal flask is getting poor design now.
the guys who made those videos are spooks
i doubt it. when vietnam, and outer mongolia split from china, there was very little resistance from the chinese populace
mainland politicians are also generally followers of the west, theyre just not as bad as the twnese. nationalism has actually hurt china. the reason why china was so strong during the kultural revalution was because they practiced internationalism
china’s has done a 180, and it’s largely associated with the restoration of kapitalism. 50yrs ago, if you were greedy, and selfish, people would have criticised you, but they wont today. 50yrs ago, chinese people were fairly patriotic, but today’s kapitalist china has given rise to alot of anti chinese voices. there are lots of people who openly bad mouth china, saying that the west is better, and that china has low standards. 50 yrs ago, chinese people trusted each other. today, if you ask someone what time it is, there will be people scared to tell you, because people dont trust each other.
china’s biggest problem was its departure from comunism. when they did that, they shifted their allegiance to the bourgeoisie, and away from the proletariat. by doing this, china has given all the benefits over to the bourgeoisie. look at how china lends trillions of dollars to amerikans instead of lettings its own citizens live a prosperous life. when you look at the foreigners in china, most of them look down on china. it’s almost like china has returned to the republican era, where inperialists had special privaleges. this in contrast to the comunist era, where chinese controled theiir own country, and foreigners couldnt just do whatever they wanted. back in those days, china would invite people, usually socialists, who were friendly to china. nowadays, china places business first, and attracts some of the dirtiest rats into china. china also buys so much crap from the west, that china is making the inperialists richer. the inperialists then use the money they make from china, and use it against china, by backing china’s enemies.
i strongly disagree with that. in the long run, christianity will be abandoned, just like so many juz abandoned judiasm.
china has missed the opportunity to make an alliance with the arabs, and muslims. let’s look at the facts, china’s closest, and probably only allly is pakistan, a muslim country. western inperialists are most afraid of a muslim, chinese alliance, and theres a reason for this. islam is probably the single most influential in the world. it’s the fastest growing religion in the west. in fact, if china appreciated islam more, they could advance their position in the world. the chinese need to study and learn from islam, and arabs. one of today’s china’s biggest weaknesses is nationalism. they want to unify the chinese around the world, but what these fools dont understand is that most oversesas chinese are anti chinese. china is also very weak in prapaganda. so no matter what they say, people arent really listening. chinese nationalism shutts out the possibility for chinese to learn from others. unfortunately when the chinese do learn from others, they are usually bad things. take how chinese women are now starting to wear sluty clothes. it’s really pathetic how china accepts, and embraces decadence. china is also embracing violence too, such as hollywood, and hong kong films. another bad thing they embraced is materialism. this is how you know chinese leadership is troubled and flawed. here they have some of the greatest civilizations on earth, and china ignores them. instead they choose to embrace western decadence.
a more competent chinese leader would have to look at why, and how the arabs were able to be so influential in the world, and how their influence lasts thousands of years. islam, and the arabs have been the most influetial in this world. look at how islam has touched people from indonesia, all the way to spain, and back. and you notice how people stick with islam, long after the conquerers left. take iran for example. islam was brought to iran by force. this country was not originally muslim, but they stuck with it. you cant say that about very many religions. in fact, you look at christianity in europe. it;s dying out. even christians dont want to believe in christianity. thats what a weak religion that is. and you look at black amerikans, they are flocking to islam, and away from christianity. europeans are becoming atheist. children who were raised as christians abandon the religion as soon as theyre old enough to do so. this is a pattern. you dont really see too many muslims abandoning islam after they are grown up.
china is engaged in a lose lose situation. china is only allowed to sell cheap products to the west. china makes more expensive items, but these items are generally prohibited into the west. take for example, chinese sneakers like lining, anta, and 361. youve probably never heard of these brands, but they go for about $50us. chinese brands are generally not allowed to export. the only things that are allowed for export are chinese made products that carry western brands. for example, iphones that are made in china.
on the other hand, the west sells expensive things to china. like for example, nike shoes. they are often sold at prices that are higher than even western markets. a $100 pair of sneakers being sold in toronto could very well sell for $150 in china. theres very little restriction on what the west, and their henchmen can sell in china. they can sell iphones, samsungs, nikes, and pretty much whatever they want. all the major hotel chains like hilton, and mariot operate in china. on the other hand, how many chinese hotel chains can you name that operate in the west?
the general pattern here is the west sells expensive crap to china, and china is only allowed to sell cheap things to the west. notice how iphones, and samsungs flood the chinese market, but verizon, and sprint in amerika wont sign any deals with the huawei, or xiaomi. what makes matters worse is that the west doesnt even make these shoes, phones, and products themselves. they simply exploit someone else to make these, so westerners actually do none of the work, while making all the money.
westerners make a killing opening english language schools. they charge top dollar to teach chinese english. china would never be able to make even 10% of this teaching chinese in western countries. once again, the west wins. can you imagine paying $1000 a month to learn chinese? because thats pretty much what the chinese are paying to learn english. it ends up costing a huge fraction on the local chinese salary.
china lends all of its money to the west. whether it’s amerika, or europe, china is giving hand outs to these countries, all while there are chinese who cant even pay their medical bills. not only that, in order to prevent countries like vietnam from turning against china, china has to buy billions worth of their products.
china sends millions of tourists and students to the west each year. on the other hand, the west sends not even 1% tourists/students of what china sends. droves and droves of chinese go to the west, and spend billions. however, hardly any westerners are going to china, and the ones who do, hardly spend any money in china.
rich chinese exclusively buy imported products. all the money that china makes actually ends up going right back in the pockets of their inperialist masters. rich chinese also “invest” heavily in foreign countries. take for example how chinese “businessmen” bought the waldorf astoria, and amc cinemas. the money that china makes, doesnt stay in china.
the west then uses all the money that the chinese give them to back the enemies of china. some of them include radical factions in taiwan, hong kong, india, and vietnam.
T,T,,
You are raising too wide a field.
Why is a refrigator needing an LCD screen?
To me, such things are very wasteful.
Mine is old, almost 20 years, it is needing repairs this spring, but only because I was knocking it backwards in early winter, and it is nice that a repair service is still existing (of course, freelance). The repair will cost no more than a tenth of your new machine.
What is a two-dollar shop? I would guess like a hundred-yen shop, only more expensive. What in them is made in Japan? I am curious. Am knowing of quite ingenious made-in-Japan products, beadcraft (DIY junk jewellery, very nice if one is having the time for it), a few tools, toys, in hundred-yen shops in Japan, almost everything else made in PRC.
Quality goes beyond just motor vehicles, I have been happy with phones from Kyocera, trouble with an iOS or Android phone, the battery life is becoming useless within two years.
So, google is controlling Android, apple is controlling iOS, there is no reliable way of backing up anything but the contacts list and file gallery. To me, that is a real problem with reliability, and is imposed by the thinking of the U.S. companies.
End up (as I will, until I track down all of my files) dragging around an external power supply, which will itself wear out at almost, or even a faster, rate, and weighing almost as much as a super-light PC (including the ultra-mini Vaios of old).
It is not reliability. It is determined by the U.S. monster corps, not by the makers of handsets.
I note that the display on my Kyocera has a single very slight crack, from my having sat on it or dropped it once. Long enough ago to not remember which right now.
Friends with iPhones have a web of cracks after a single such incident, their ‘Gorilla glass’ is just a cheap marketing ploy, but the cheap western press always was playing along.
china has failed at making an operating system, or even a web browser. you look at qq, 360, liebao, and sogou browser. theyre all based on chromium. making an operating system cant be that hard. linux was made by a student. the problem is, china is so interested in acomodating the west that china has failed at doing what is right. china has not given us an alternative to these fashist western os’s like android, windows, linux, and ios.
Recently, the Chinese media has been talking about gun control. The Chinese love to use this opportunity to talk about how safe China is because they have gun controls. While it is true that China is safer than the west, the Chinese revisionists will only give you one side of the story. Something they’d rather not touch upon is how today’s China is much more dangerous and chaotic than it was in 1966, or even 1976 for that matter. The obvious reason for this is because China has become kapitalist, and kapitalism brings crime. It’s a pattern that could be seen not only in China, but also eastern Europe. China doesn’t want to admit that their reforms have brought about more crime since 1978. They want to take credit for all the “good things” that have happened since 1978 (whatever those are), but not take credit for all the bad things that have happened.
Almost all the bad things are a result of China’s opening up, and reform. Think about the bad things that the inperialits always complain about. Coruption, and pollution. The kultural revalution kept pollution down to a minimum, and fought coruption hard. What the revisionists did was increase it. In fact, it’s so bad, that corruption, and pollution is what the revisionists are known for now.
Then let’s talk about the things that the inperialists don’t want to talk about. Crime isn’t an issue for inperialists because inperialism, and kapitalism go hand in hand with crime, but ordinary people may not agree. For those of us who can’t afford to hire body guards, crime is just as important of an issue as pollution, or coruption. In kapitalist societies we have to worry about our kids walking home from school. Not so under comunism, where kids are generally safe to walk home, play with strangers, and live their lives.
Trust. People in China simply don’t trust each other like the way they did during the kultural revalution. People are suspicious of one another because of all the bad things that have been going on in these past 40yrs. Furthermore, the revisionist rejim has unable to educate people on how to properly behave. They want quick fix solutions like religion. In recent years, there has been talk of using religion to civilize people, but the truth is, religion can’t do that. The west is very religious, yet that hasn’t done a whole lot to curb crime. On the other hand, comunism has done a lot to curb crime. Mao was able to boot out the biggest godfathers of crime in his first few years in power. This is why you see the majority of Chinese crime families are based out of HK, or TW.
Unfortunately, the revisionists have chosen to distance themselves from comunism, and now they the people must pay the price for the eroneous descisions of the post Mao leadership. The lack of trust in Chinese society directly reflects the flawed leadership in the CCP (Chinese capitalist party).
The fact of the matter is, since 1978, the more reforms China has introduced, the more dangerous the streets got. Today’s China is a polar opposite to what it was in 1966. There is more security in China than possibly anywhere else in the world. Hotels are required to take your photograph. Internet cafes want your fingerprints. There’s gates at schools. The security in Chinese schools are more strict than schools in New York’s suburbs. China has security checks, and xrays at every single subway, railway, and bus station. That’s even worse than Amerika. This all indicates that there’s something very wrong with Chinese society, and Chinese leadership today. When you have a good society, and good leadership, you don’t need security, especially the kinds of security we see today. Throughout the kultural revalution, there were no security guards at schools, or gates. However, it would be hard to find a Chinese school without that today. During the kultural revalution, 2 cops were often enough to take care of a town, however, today, 200 would not be enough. The revisionists accused Jiang Qing of being paranoid, but Jiang Qing’s China did not have a fraction of all this security. Back then, there wasn’t even a Wujing. So who’s really paranoid?
Let’s face it, reforms have brought out the worst in everyone. We can also conclude that the Chinese goverment has failed at educating two generations worth of people. One of the main reasons why Chinese leaders fail at educating Chinese youth is because the Chinese leaders moral values are in the wrong place themselves. How can you expect the people to do the right thing if you are doing the wrong thing? If the Chinese rejim doesn’t take responsibility for this, who will? They want to tell you that in 40 years, they’ve lifted millions out of poverty, but how many millions of benevolent people did you turn into crooks? I often look at today’s Chinese degenerates and wonder what these people would have been like during the kultural revalution. What would their role have been in society? One thing’s for sure, it can’t be as bad as today. These thugs would not have been hustling in the streets.
Something else that is disturbing is the rise in separatist movements, particularly in the Xingjiang, and Xizang areas. The kultural revalution gave the muslims, and tibetans something they could believe in, in contrast to Deng’s ambitions of making foreigners wealthier. When your ideas are bad, it’s hard to get people to along with them, and that’s what’s happening in China today. Chinese leaders have bad ideas, people can’t get behind it. The dismisal of comunism in China has left millions broken, and lost. So they lose the loyalty and faith of not only the ethnic minorities but also the Han majority. Therefore it is no surprise that muslims, and tibetans find themselves unsuspectingly revolting against China, and through many proxies, on behalf of the west. Today, it is patriotism that has been contained, largely because the Chinese leaders’ loyalties have shifted from China, to the west. Therefore, the separatism in China serves as a reflection to the traitorous policies of the leaders who succeeded Mao who have worked hard to pillage China, and making foreigners wealthier.
China’s gun control laws don’t make China safe, and people need to take another look at why China is so much less safe today that it was in 1966. Simplay claiming that China is safer than the west only masks the problem that China is facing. Crime has been rising consistently since 1978, and will continue to do so with the far right politics that China is imposing upon the people. The revisionists also need to reflect upon themselves on whether or not they’re taking China in the wrong direction, and all the problems kapitalism has brought to China in the past 40 years, partcularly the decline in Chinese people’s moral values since 1978. This is not only a concern arising from the left. Even those on the right will admit that people were nicer in 1966 than they are today. The only problem is, as with right winters, they are willing to accept chaos in order to get rich, but the question is, who gave these revisionists, and bourgeoisie the right to bring agony to the Chinese masses just so a small group of bourgeois parasites can get rich?
The revisionists use their “economy” to confirm that revisionism, and reforms were justified. However, the crime, coruption, pollution confirms that deng’s reforms are wrong.
Hello, Mao-Zuo holdout.
My entire family was basically wiped out by your precious Cultural Revolution of “high moral standards.”
Fuck you.
if your entire family was wiped out, why are you still here? obviously they didnt do a good enough job. how bout this? why dont you join them in the abys? like i always said, mao was too soft on the fashists, and thats precisely why youre still here. think about this……how many livlihoods have been wiped out by your precious reforms. better to wipe out 10000000000 bourgeoisie than to affect 1 proletariat.
the kultural revalution stands correct. you notice when those targeted during the kultural revalution regained their power, they led china down a road of disaster, and humiliation that continues til this day. the coruption, polution, and crime came. which proves that the kultural revalution was corect, and those targeted were indeed the true criminals. actually, i heard from a chinese guy that his thermos got stolen the day that deng seized power. before that, there werent any thieves. factory workers were their own masters throughout the comunist era, and it was only until your precious reforms that the workers, and peasants became reenslaved again. you also notice that a large % of high profile anti chinese cliques outside of china were also targets of the kultural revalution, just like you suposedly claim to be. this indicates that the so called “victims” of the kultral revalution are and were the sell outs who continue to sell out china just like gorbachev did the ussr. and sell outs like you wont stop until china is split up into 20 countries. the fact of the matter is, china wouldnt be in such a sad state if it werent for these sell outs like “daniel”. you see he is so much of a sell out, the guy has to use a christian name. how pathetic. stop trying to impress your inperialist master for just one minute, and just be yourself boy. are you right wingers capable of being genuine even for just one moment? youve been kowtowing to your inperialist masters for 40yrs straight, and where has that gotten you?
read this, my little 50 cent man, and please reflect on your own stupidity.
China uses its markets to get what it wants, but this doesn’t work. When China first became kapitalist in 1978, China thought it could neutralize the world with its markets. The logic behind this is, if foreigners are allowed to make money in China, foreigners would not attack China the way that foreigners were attacking China all through the history of the PRC. Deng was wrong. Only 11 yrs after China went kapitalist, the west tried to overthrow Deng. So, what does this tell you? It should tell you that giving markets to the west will not neurtralize them, or satisfy them. You can’t use money to buy them out. The only way out is by defeating them.
Despite the obvious flaws in Deng/Ye’s policies, and ideas, they went with this throughout the 80s, and 90s. Even today, they use this idea of trying to buy influence with their markets. The one belt one road initiative highlights this point exactly. You look at one belt one road, and you can see that the primary objective of this plan is to allow foreign countries to make money off of China. They want to set up a platform that makes it easier for foreigners to import their products INTO China, and not the other way around. You look at a country like the Czech republic. How much Chinese products could they possibly buy from China? Whatever they can give China, it would be peanuts compared to how much the Czech republic can make off of China.
Deng’s gang used this policy with Hongers, Taiwanese, Japanese, Singaporians, and south Koreans. They allowed for foreigners to make trillions off of China’s exploitation. Even Xi’s rejim has repeately said, we have such a huge market, don’t you want a piece of it? That’s their catch phrase, and it’s how they hope to lure foreigners in. Compare this with the US and west’s policy of “disobey me, and I will beat you senseless”.
Just like using markets to buy influence didn’t work with American, neither did it work with the Hongers, Taiwanese, Japanese, Singaporians, and south Koreans.
Hongers are given access to the mainland markets. They run many companies in the mainland. They are also given access to the mainland’s entertainment market where many of HK’s unentertaining actors, and singers are given a platform to rake in billions. However, today’s Hong Kong is more anti Chinese than ever before in history. Mainlanders are getting beaten and bullied in public all throughout the city. They even had a year long protest directed at the central goverment. The most ironic thing about the revisionist move to use markets to buy influence is, in 1967, Hongers started riots that were pro Chinese in nature, and anti British. However, fast fwd 40yrs after Dengism, and Hongers are now rioting against China on behalf of the west. Isn’t that ironic? The Dengists believed that giving Hongers markets would buy sympathy from Hongers, but it did the opposite.
Billions in concesions have been given to Taiwan. Like Hong Kong, the mainland also gave a huge concesion to TW’s “entertainment industry”. The mainland buys many products from Taiwan that the mainland can make themselves. The mainland allows Taiwan to exploit the mainland workers, and open factories. The mainland sends millions of tourists to Taiwan each year. And where has this gotten the mainland? Nowhere. Like Hong Kong, the Taiwanese are arguably more anti Chinese today than they were 40 years ago. To give you an idea on how anti Chinese Taiwan has become, in Taiwan’s university campuses, mainland students are marginalized, and avoided like the plague. The separatist movement in the province has gotten so big that many of both sides of the strait are talking about a military confrontation. Some even say that the mainland’s military build up is precisely preparing for such a confrontation.
Japan makes tons of money off of China. They are the top selling cameras, cars, and many electronic devices. Millions of Chinese tourists also go to Japan. The Chinese goverment uses Japanese cameras. Walk on any Chinese street, and you will see Japanese cars. Thousands of Japanese restraunts are scattered throughout China, raking in billions in profits. So where does that get China? You guessed it. Nowhere. Not only are Japanese anti Chinese, but the Japanese goverment has come out, and publicly challenged China. For the past few years, Japan has been fighting China for the Diaoyu islands, islands that are rich in natural resources. The Japanese air force also reguarly menaces the PLA. Japan is also a major backer of anti Chinese forces on Taiwan. Japan has also conspired with India on numerous platforms against China. Before Duterte came to power, Japan was regularly instigating trouble between China, and the Philipines. Japan even gave weapons to Aquino in order to iritate China, because at the time, the west was counting on the Philipines to confront China. Now that Aquino is out of the picture, Japan is still up to its old tricks in instigating trouble between China, and Vietnam.
Like the others Singapore, although a country the size of a booger, makes a killing in China. For those who don’t know, Singapore has a long history of pro inperialist politics, but they are also very dear friends to the revisionist Chinese rejim. This is why they operate numerous companies, malls, and food courts in China. Singapore is also a major investor in Xiaomi, and makes billions off of Xiaomi alone. And how does Singapore pay China back? They publicly denounce China, and insist that the south China sea belongs to the Philipines, and NOT China. Yes, this is how Singapore pays China back. Singapore also regularly hosts military exercises with the US directed AGAINST China. Singapore has gone so far in their anti Chinese stunts that it actually iritated some Chinese politicians, and prompted the building of an alternative port (to Singapore) based in Malaysia.
Last but not least, south Korea is also another properous parasite. For many years, Chinese taxis exclusively bought and used Hyundai vehicles, allowing south Korea to make billions off of this deal alone. This on top of south Korea’s ability to make billions more off of China’s entertainment industry. China allowed south Korean “actors and singers” to perform in China, pulling in billions. South Korea was given many benefits by the Chinese goverment, but despite this, south Korea still stabbed China in the back. The most obvious example of this is south Korea’s decision to install the Thad weapon system, a weapon system that is directed against China. Not only this, south Korea also regularly sponsors activities to cause trouble in the Korean peninsula, often times by provoking north Korea. The south Korean rejim is also responsible for hosting many US military drills, and exercises aimed at destabilizing China.
People don’t understand that influence comes from the barel of a gun, not through markets. You can give all the markets in the world to people, but without a strong fist to back up your policies, it will never amount to anything. America doesn’t influence the world through markets, neither did the British before them. This is why the US maintains hundreds of bases across the world, and regularly conducts menacing military exercises aimed to intimidate countries like China. It is only through a strong offensive that the US, and west is able to maintain their influence throughout the world. If you look at Europe, they hardly buy anything from Taiwan. Not only that, Taiwan actually buys tons from Europe, but it can be argued that Europe have more influence in Taiwan than Mainland China despite all the things the mainland buys from Taiwan. I’m assuming that it’s because Europe has a much more offensive strategy, and character. The world’s leader understands that if you offend the US or Europe, they will back opposition movements right up to your front door just like the kinds you saw in Libya, and the Ukraine. It’s these kinds of stunts that really highlight western power. This is something that markets alone can control. Foreigners run no such risks by offending China. This is why rejims turn against China, time and time again.
We were KMT you idiot.
Because you lost at Kinmen. I mean “you” loosely, because unlike my ancestors that died in just about every part of China fighting your commie kin and the Japanese, I bet yours did nothing but kill little girls.
And after having reduced a great civilization to eating tree bark, infanticide and cannibalism, and indeed having been rejected by Communist Party itself, you’re still blabbering here.
Oh, and you owe me a good chunk of Pudong, Shanghai. We’ve had it since the Ming. For someone blabbing about foreign influence, you do a good job of destroying your own mandarin class.
I commend you for your fanaticism, Maozuo Red. Now get lost. No one is stopping you from living your communist utopia in the boonies, you know and starving to death like what you inflicted upon others.
Because the North is full of warmongers & you’re retarded if you think ‘upper’ ‘lower’ correlates with North South or Dark Light like you wannabe Aryan whites need to believe।।
See how much of IT is dominated by North or Brahmin & who cares anyway
“All along the platform, blue-turbaned Sikhs sat cross-legged, their curved kirpans across their knees, patiently waiting for the next arriving Special.”
http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vantage/did-sikhs-squads-participate-organised-attempt-cleanse-east-punjab-during-partition
This is your fate, Dirty Melech.
i figured with a name like chieh, you had to be one of those compradores. you know, you should just change your last name too, to something like rhodes. meaning cecil rhodes, the great inperialist, and probably your idol. why stop with only your 1st name?
i must not be that much of an idiot, because saw through your lies quickly and call you out on it, so dont get but hurt. you come on here lying, you should expect to be caught. you know whats sad about you boy? youre like a ju who complains about the holacaust. you make up stories to get sympathy, and when anyone with half a brain looks into the matter, they find out youre just another liar. and just like the juz who pretend to be victims, they turn out to be the real agresors, just like you.
like i said, its a shame they didnt wipe you out. the world would be a better place without your extended family.
if you claim that your family was wiped out by the kultural revalution, then you are just on here lying. the gmd was booted out of the mainland 17yrs prior to the kultural revalution. and like i said, china did the right thing by booting you out, because even 3 generations later, you show your anti demokratic colors. once heiwulei ALWAYS heiwulei. how about that? lol. it;s just a bloody shame they didnt boot you out earlier. let’s just hope your scavenger ass doesnt go back.
is there anything about you that isnt a lie? your ancestors were gmd, and died fighting japanese. why dont you get your lies straightened out. did they die fighting the japanese, or did they get wiped out by the kultural revalution? or did they die in the holacaust? lol. you couldnt fool a child, you mental midget. even inperialist amerikan universities will teach you that the gmd were a bunch of thugs, much like you, who were doing anything but fighting the japanese. why dont you go ask your amerikan dady. i dont believe for a second that the gmd was fighting the japanese. whats more believable was that the gmd was working with the japanese to kill defenseless people, because thats what cowards like you and your ancestors do. the gmd colludes with the japanese today, and im certain they were coluding with the japanese then. the only thing the gmd knew how to do was bully weak, poor peasants, and thats why you lost! serves you right. if there was ever a time in chinese history where justice was served it was when your family got snuffed. the masses turned on you as soon as they had capable leaders to back them. even though most people have forgotten how rotten the gmd was, i havent. and you know why else i dont buy that the gmd were fighting the japanese? all the gmd has been doing was serving the japanese once they got to taiwan. they were nothing but lap dogs for japan…from 49 til this day. japanese concesions could be found throughout tw from the 70s all the way til today. and none of it would happen if the gmd didnt give it the green light. of course you wont expect the gmd to defy their amerikan masters, because amerika said tw would come under japanese control. it’s sad that you have to come here and lie. the gmd were killing their own people. thats the truth. and your attitude confirms the filth that is associated with the gmd. i dont even know why you guys call yourself gmd. theres nothing nationalistic about you. all you can do is run, and serve inperialism. youve never done a dam thing for your country execpt exploit it, and rob it. the fact that the mainland is relying on the gmd to unify china just shows how delusional xi is.
isnt it interesting to note that the gmd always enjoys talking about chinese starving to death, yet they were the ones who made that happen. chinese people were starving precisely because the gmd robbed china of all its wealth. dont worry about us peasants though. we know how to farm, so we wont starve, unlike you parasites who need to exploit others to work. we carry our own weight. thats something youre unlikely to ever know about.
ask your grandparents how much gold the kapitalist chiang thugs stole from china. if anything it’s the gmd who owes the mainland trillions plus interest. the gmd has such a bad reputation, that theyre hated in tw too now. what a surprise. looks like you and your ancestors have a real bad track record. because it seems like no matter where you go, massacres, and atrocities follow. they even made a holiday after you in tw called 228. why dont you show your ugly mug around tw on that day. im sure theyll give you the payback you deserve. theyll beat you worse than the amerikan jocks who stuffed you in your locker.
regardless of what savages your ancesters were, i doubt you would try to act a fool in amerika, cause whitey will quickly put you in your place. so hopefully your savagry ends there. you better watch yourself, because if your anything like your bandit ancestors, youll end up part of the amerikan prison industrial complex with the quickness, and end up being someones wife. and it may be there that youll end up working for the first time in your life, washing someones draws.
nobody owes you a dam thing. the only thing i owe you is a swift kick to the ass, but im sure you got enough of that from your white dady over in amerika. actually i love it when i see racism in amerika, because compradore scum like you do so much to serve your master, and then when you get to amerika, they welcome you with a slap to your cowardly face.
you want hand outs, go ask your japanese, and amerikan masters, because you belong to them. if anything, you should be put to work (you probably never worked a day in your life) in the fields to pay for your ancestors crimes against humanity. and it doesnt surprise me that your ancestors is from shanghai either. shanghainese have a solid reputation for being swine parasite, no matter in hk, tw, or the mainland.
the only thing compradore scum like you can ever do is serve your inperialist masters. like i said, the comunists did the right thing by going to war with you, and booting you off the mainland. the biggest mistake the chinese ever did was to end the revalution, and let diseases like you resurface.
now im willing to bet that your family went running to the usa because everyone in china wanted to kill them, but you cant blame them. instead of blaming the comunists, you might want to look at why ordinary peasants picked up arms against you. maybe it was your ancestors dispicable behavior that led to your expulsion. youre just mad that your victims rose up against you. i applaud, and commend them for doing so. more power to them for booting you out. and shame on your family for being cowards and running. you should have at least stayed for the ass woopin. i guess i wouldnt expect anymore from bullies like your ancestors. when the going gets tough, the cowards are the first ones to run.
If you weren’t historically illiterate, you’d know that KMT forces were the only serious force defending Shanghai against the Japanese. You lack the mental dexterity to figure out what happens to survivors left on the mainland who got struggled, clearly, and I don’t feel a need to enlighten you. Enjoy being in outcast even to the Communist party.
BTW, this is not my real name and grandfather is a Taiwanese general. Unlike you, I am not an outcast.
Now give me my land back.
history is often written by liars like you, so maybe i am historically iliterate, and proudly so. gmd forces were serious in running from the japanese. gmd will fight ONLY against those who were defenseless. as fraudulent as history is, they have documented the atrocities comited NOT ONLY on the mainland, but also your beloved TW. you see, this isnt a left/right problem. both the left, and the right acknowledge that the gmd comited atrocities. but you know whats funny is you bullies lost against a bunch of farmers in sandals. on yea, the comunists lost jinmen, but the gmd lost EVERYWHERE else. whats worse is that the gmd was armed, and backed by the us inperialists, with modern weapons, yet you still lost. with an army like that, i’d say that it’s a shame to be a general of such an army. sad, how you even have the balls to mention it on here. and even after you got defeated badly on the mainland, your thug army tried numerous times in conjunction with the amerikan inperialists to retake the mainland. all failed attempts of course. the failures MUST be because they had incomptent generals like your grandfather, and YOUR own personal failures must be a direct inheritance from your parasitical grandfather. losers spawning little losers, makes sense to me. tell me, what does it feel like to be a loser? and an outcast. thats why your family ran to the us. like i said before, even tw despises the gmd, and after running into you, we can all see why. where you gonna run to next when the white amerikan nationalists boot you out? and beleive me, they will boot you out. amerika is heading in a very nationalist direction, and if i were a white nationalist, youd be perfect for my chop suey. i think hell may be your last option.
and hows this for history. you can tell alot about a party based on activities theyre involved in. now since your grandfather was a general, he was probably involved in peddling dope. have him tell you about how he was dealing dope out of myanmar. the golden triangle was/is one of the biggest drug trades in the world, and the gmd is behind it. face it, theyre criminal through and through, and the only place people like you belong is behind bars getting but raped.
well, i cant say im surprised that this isnt your real name…. there isnt much thats real about you, but the advice still stands. change your name to rhodes. name yourself after your inperialist masters. maybe they’ll give you a little biscuit for being the dog that you are.
haha. outcast to the comunist party? there hasnt been a comunist party in 40yrs. deng/ye were the outcasts. im sure even a phony like you knows that. im sure you remember deng/ye, they were phonys like you who joined the comunist party, but wanted to carry out kapitalist policies. speaking of outcasts, im sure you know all about being an outcast in amerika, and thats precisely what you are. isnt it sad that reactionary far right lunatics like you are so greedy that youre willing to go to a country that hates you, and looks down on you. you and your family have no self respect. it’s no wonder why nobody else respects you either. you were hated on the mainland, hated on tw, and now hated in amerika, just like the rodent that you are.
you confirm that the gmd were indeed sell outs, because sell outs always end up in amerika. stop insulting everyones intelligence by claiming to be fighting for the japanese. no one believes it, not me, and not your inperialist masters. personal gains is all that you care about, and thats why the inperialists hired the gmd in the 1st place. they know youre greedy, and they know youre selfish. remember that chump.
Oh yeah, speaking of losers, you would know quite well, wouldn’t you? Welcome to future of the world that doesn’t need you or the rest of your commies. Deng knew that, too.
So, you old red bandit…
Hurry up and die. Mao needs your company in Hell. I hope all of the children that you starved to death get to torment you for the rest of eternity.
Ponder which philosophy actually won, and helped more people in the end while you’re there.
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Deng understood well, a weak China like Qing Dynasty has no future of peace, but shall subject to another humiliating opium war.
Look at those countries like NK, Cuba.. yes they probably enjoy what you wish, a central planning economy where everyone live simple, peaceful, few crimes, morally upright, with social security like free schooling & medical.
But will the West empires vultures permit them to live in peace? Without China protection, NK will be in sanction hardship or get invaded. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran are still under constant threats & subversion. Many countries like Myanmar, Cambodia, Sukarno’s Indonesia, Libya, Syria, ..are examples.
So to have real communism benefits, China needs to be powerful enough to resist foreign aggression while able to protect its borders like SCS & against FukusIndia invasion. Without strong economy as backbone, what’s there for modernizing military?
Deng had good foresight to make China strong & prosperous through socialism-capitalism first. Only when reaches a threshold, and the world has rid off US evil empire, then China can start to roll out its own version of Socialism-Confucianism-Buddhism for a truly peaceful, prosperous, self sufficient, strong country with high morality people. Pres Xi has already working on that, a China dream with a common prosperous destiny for mankind.
In reality, communism is destined for failure not bcos its not perfect, but a perfect idealism required perfect holy people to run it. Yet we know rare is Buddhist Ariyan or Confucianism saint, plentiful are greedy imperfect crooks that will lead the communism, that’s a great disaster awaiting for mankind that history has proven.
Do you want China to take that same foolish empire path? Chinese has better wisdom over 5,000yrs.
Precisely bcos of this evil empires, all China allies are subverted by FukusIndiaJp. These allies turn anti-China nonsense can only stop when China can counter-FukusIndiaJp to protect its allies, which China has juz did for Philippines(US ISIS attack), Nepal(India oil embargo) & Mauritius(US India military threat & regime change).
Spore has proven itself under Lee Kuang Yew since China open up, by providing every helps it could. Lee Kuang Yew was a extraordinary stateman that could balance geopolitical power. But Lee HL is simply there through nepotism, unable to resist Fukus manipulation.
Look at SK ex-Pres Park, she is now in 30yrs prison term for been pro-China & refusing to install Thaad. Can new SK Pres resist US? You bet, Thaad is up immediately.
HK is instigated for independent by Fukus, CIA is in full force. So is Taiwan, US & Jp hands are all deep inside, brainwashing them for last 50yrs with frightening false Tiananmen massacre of students propaganda. Who you gonna blame for Tibet & Xinjiang secession drive, Deng?
Every single country that are pro-China or helpful for China progress(BRI nodes) are all under attacked or regime change now. Entire Asean, Asia, Oz, Nz, Latin America, Africa, Brazil, Pak, Nepal, Mauritius, Mongolia, Malaysia, Thailand…. either change leader by corrupted judge, or color revolution, or election meddling or coup. If all failed, then its sanction & direct invasion like Libya, Syria, NK, Myanmar…
So stop whining, and blame FukusIndiaJp sabotage on your own greatest leader Deng foolishly. China leaders have done an excellent Hercules job to transform poor China under enormous West sabotage to what it is today, a stellar powerful country that the world look up for hope to prosperity & peace.
And PLA is going through unprecedented modernization to defend China interest spreading globally, including its allies too. All these required huge economy to support.
China think tank is better than you can imagine, they see the entire geopolitical situation as a whole & are rolling out strategies in multi complex phases. One big bang move will be Petrol-Yuan, this will be a Domino effect to dismantle US evil empire prop up by unlimited Petrol dollars printing, without risking a devastating nuclear war.
If you unable to understand SunTze Arts of War, at least see the result. The world is in a mess, only China & Russia are progressing in stability & working towards de-clawing of the evil empires.
Whereas for KMT vs Communist Mao, i can’t give fair judgement consider so much Western propaganda smearing. You & Daniel have better understanding.
According to wikipedia, KMT had adopted Germans help to re-industrialization & militarization before Jp invasion. Gen Zhang Xueliang was said to have forced KMT Gen Jiang JS to defend Shanghai together with Comm using its best German trained army against its German advisor advice.
If KMT will to win the struggle and rule China, with Jiang JS & Song QL close acquaintance with US & Soviet factor, China could have developed to unimaginable level by now. What Jp can achieved after ww2, China certainly can do better. It may likely bcom another evil corrupted empire like US filled with greed, but a few times bigger, and all christianized.
Life is full of uncertainty, every turn can change entire life, but death is certained for everyone. Another few tens years all will be perished, another new generation appear, what’s there to cling on & whine so much about KMT & Deng’s mistake when Deng policy has elevated billion of Chinese from poverty?
Look forwards, wish China can be successful to bring about peace & prosperity to this chaotic world. The only hope for mankind. Internal bickering don’t help to bring out a better China & world. As China reach a threshold of development(20yrs at most), Taiwan will naturally rejoin its long lost motherland for a better future.
You bet, Tibetans & Xinjiang are now laughing at their sky fallen fortune to be connected to China. Mongolia will want claim its historical ties soon, so are other lost territories & overseas Chinese diaspora. Even Oz will want to say since Zhenghe visited it & its located in Asia, it should be considered part of China domain. Chinese old saying: “Has milk is mother.”
Accepting SL burghers was a plus for Australia. But though these and Christian Lebs were okay, when they decided that Chinese and Indian settlement would be good Australia doomed itself as a culture. “Liberal democracy” they may have as far as a Chinese vassal state can, but does it really matter that much?