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John Derbyshire & Ta-Nehisi Coates. Credit:
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Conservatism, Inc. columnist Kyle Smith [Email him] does a spirited takedown of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ hate-whitey bestseller over at Commentary magazine.

between-the-world-and-me-300x456[1] Not only is the book selling by the boatload, but as it is very angry, very left-wing, very topical, and very short, it also seems certain to be ushered into the exclusive club where the real money of publishing is: college and high-school reading syllabi. Between the World and Me stands ready to be a central influence in the way young people are taught to see race in America.

And that is disheartening. Coates’s book is bitter, and it is embittering. It’s angry about things we should be angry about—only the straw man Coates frequently invokes would claim the race problem is solved in America—but it also displays an inchoate generalized contempt for America, especially white America. [The Hard Untruths of Ta-Nehisi Coates: A best-selling polemic riven with hatred thrills the liberal elite by Kyle Smith;Commentary, September 24th, 2015.]

Good stuff. That’s a little later into the piece, though. Smith opens with this:

Suppose you were a white person with a deep-seated dislike for black people, and you were intent on training your son to feel the same way. Suppose that, day after day, week after week, you instructed him to study the details of every instance of black-on-white crime. Say you advised your son to extrapolate from these incidents the notion that black people are generally dangerous, and that your zeal to present him with disturbing anecdotes along these lines never waned.

You would be wrong, in just about every possible way: statistically, sociologically, morally. You would be doing your son a gross and damaging disservice. For yourself you would invite, and earn, broad contempt. If your opinions became publicly known, you might well find yourself unwelcome in polite company and your job at risk. Indeed, the National Review contributor John Derbyshire was fired for expressing such sentiments in a blog post three years ago.

And yet for harboring roughly the same level of suspicion, fear, mistrust, distaste, and unease about whites as Derbyshire does about blacks, the essayist and blogger Ta-Nehisi Coates has found himself crowned America’s leading civic thinker.

Where does one start? At the beginning, I guess.

Suppose you were a white person with a deep-seated dislike for black people…

I am not aware of nursing any such dislike. Can Smith please link us to something I’ve written that expresses such a “deep-seated dislike”?

It is true that I avoid concentrations of blacks. So does wellnigh every other nonblack person, according to the facts on residential and educational segregation. The phrase “revealed preference” comes to mind … as it so often does in these discussions.

… and you were intent on training your son to feel the same way.

Since I have never had the feelings that Smith, on no evidence, ascribes to me, it would have been perverse of me to train my son to have them. I have never been intent on any such thing, and Smith cannot produce evidence to the contrary.

True, I have given my kids sensible warnings about avoiding concentrations of blacks—see above. I have also, however, told them that

The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. [The Talk: Nonblack Version by John Derbyshire; Taki’s Magazine, April 5th 2012.]

Smith continues:

Suppose that, day after day, week after week, you instructed him to study the details of every instance of black-on-white crime.

I have never done that, nor written of doing it. Smith is just making stuff up. Has he considered a career as a fiction writer?

Here is what I actually wrote in that same column:

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

If you can read into that Smith’s “day after day, week after week, you instructed him to study…,” your problem with reading comprehension is as severe as his—which is to say, pretty damn severe.

Say you advised your son to extrapolate from these incidents the notion that black people are generally dangerous…

The point of my column was that it is ludicrous for black journalists to write two-hankie pieces about the perils posed to them by evil whites when, on the federal government’s own statistics, blacks are far more dangerous to whites than whites are to blacks.

On homicide, for example, I have posted the following fact from the Bureau of Justice Statistics numbers:

While homicide is a very rare event and we are dealing with tiny probabilities here, any given black was almost fifteen times more likely to have killed a white in 2013 (probability 0.001000 percent) than any given white was to have killed a black (probability 0.000068 percent). [Hatefacts on Black Killing of Whites by John Derbyshire;, June 21st 2015.]

If you knew nothing but media—liberal and Conservatism, Inc.—propaganda, you would suppose that the opposite was the case. Someone needs to present the actual true facts of the matter, and that is what I have tried to do.

… and that your zeal to present him with disturbing anecdotes along these lines never waned.

Goodness, what a lot Kyle Smith knows about me and my domestic arrangements! My zeal!

I hope I need not say that the home life of the Derbyshires bears no relation to Smith’s fevered fantasies.

You would be wrong, in just about every possible way: statistically, sociologically, morally.

I hate to burden Smith with further requests; but could he please direct us to pieces he has written on the race differentials in crime statistics? Something, I mean, that shows how wrong my own work along those lines has been.

You would be doing your son a gross and damaging disservice.

Yes, you would, if you behaved as Kyle Smith imagines my having behaved.

For yourself you would invite, and earn, broad contempt.

Again, if I had done such things, I would indeed have been worthy of contempt. Fortunately Smith has just made them up.

you might well find yourself unwelcome in polite company

Exactly one person, a very occasional and second-hand acquaintance (daughter of a friend), has dropped me as a result of “The Talk.” Otherwise I have suffered no ostracism.

and your job at risk

I have not held a job–in the sense of being an employee—since 1999. For a guy who claims to know the innermost dynamics of my household, Smith is sloppy on his research. My entire employment history is here.

Indeed, the National Review contributor John Derbyshire was fired for expressing such sentiments in a blog post three years ago.

Never having been an employee of National Review, I could not be fired. Does Commentary no longer care about precision of language?

As for Kyle Smith’s main thesis in this opening section that Coates is the black Derbyshire, it is preposterous. I am a far better writer than Coates, with an infinitely wider range.

For example: in thirty years of published writing, a total of several million words, I have, to the best of my recollection, written just one article about being self-consciously white.

That is approximately the same as, if not actually greater than, the number of articles Ta-Nehisi Coates has written about anything other than being self-consciously black.

No honest person could put the construction on my “Talk” article that Kyle Smith has put on it.

Kyle Smith is not an honest person. He is a liar and a slanderer. Knowing, as he surely does, that all the Great and the Good of our society will take his side, while none of them will take mine, he is also a coward.

Unless he can swear affidavits to the effect that he has never in his adult life practiced any of the commonplace trouble-avoidance strategies I recommended in “The Talk,” he is furthermore a hypocrite.

Oh, and Commentary is National Enquirer for neocons.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
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  1. iffen says:

    Would you explain, in detail, what you mean when you write, “feral blacks?”

  2. People like Mr Smith and the severe level of cognitive dissonance, in response to Mr Coates eloquent discourse is, at best, delusional because the opus of Mr Coates work is based on that same public policy against those of a ‘darker hue (the US American native born black) was in force for 300 years, enhanced, legislated and propped up by the US Constitution.

    To begin, and as stated by Mr K Smith, “suppose you were a white person with a deep-seated dislike for black people” theis is actual public though the individual white person may not have had a dislike for those “black people” it was the collective legal duty of the white people to enforce said legal requirement. I realizre that stuff ended about 1970 (let’s pick a year and this is good enough) but the legacies of both camps have endured. The same way that the white people expect those privileges to continue despite being against the direction of the nation, the equal and opposite symptom presentation of those with the other end of the stick who are jacked up just because no one will respond to their plight.

  3. unit472 says:
    @jack shindo

    You need to learn to write better. Your post is virtually unintelligible as a result of your overdone effort to sound intelligent!

    • Replies: @Snippet
    , @JSM
  4. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Correctly or not, Smith associates you with VDARE types, which Smith probably avoids in concentration.

    Speaking of the VDARE crowd: They would have more sympathy for you if you had poured a bottle of ketchup over your head before claiming slander.

    Yet, the real libel here is not being called a racist but being compared to intellectual-nonentity Coates. So, maybe VDARE types would prefer you being pictured in blackface.

  5. asdf says:

    Nicely put John.

    Where I live, there is an invisible line, north of which, no sensible person goes after a certain time of day. It happens to be a predominately black neighborhood. Everyone *knows* to stay away. No one points out the obvious.

    You’ve been pilloried not for racism, but for not knowing the *rules*. You can’t say some things.

    TaNehisi, btw, has never addressed the facts of the matter – black on black crime is way worse than white on black crime. Well, he’s dodged it by saying it doesn’t matter somehow.

    That said, Nehisi has just the right fit for the zeitgeist. He’s the perfect man of the moment. (Though his fans might not want to listen to him actually speak. He sounds dull, to be nice about it.)

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
  6. @jack shindo

    Hey there, Cornel West, did you ever think about the equal and opposite inversion of the symptom presentation by those holding the same end of the stick who are tired of people responding to their plight? Is that not reason enough for them to also be jacked up? You apparently don’t realize, as you claim, that the legacies of both camps have endured.

  7. asdf says:

    If Coates has been so abused in the US, think he’d like to move to Africa somewhere? No nasty whites to terrorize him.

    • Replies: @Penguinchip
    , @hotrod31
  8. @asdf

    But of course not. He knows damn well (one of the very few things he understands at all) that without whitey around he and his would have absolutely nothing, including stupid awards, the publishing industry, and apartments in Paris – and that knowledge fills him with anger.

    Joseph Sobran, April 1997:

    “The concept of envy – the hatred of the superior – has dropped out of our moral vocabulary… The idea that white Christian civilization is hated more for its virtues than its sins doesn’t occur to us, because it’s not a nice idea… Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.”

    • Agree: Stan D Mute
  9. Mr. Anon says:

    “You would be doing your son a gross and damaging disservice.”

    But not nearly as much a disservice as a non-black father would be doing if he had told his son that associating with certain groups of blacks is not dangerous, that he should exercise no special caution when doing so, and that any instinctive feelings of wariness are racist and should be suppressed. A Klansman’s son might end up with a somewhat distorted view of the world, but he is unlikely to get beaten into a coma or death by polar-bear hunting youths.

    And, in my view, having what society deems to be racist thoughts is better than being dead.

  10. Mr. Anon says:
    @jack shindo

    Oswald Bates said it so much better than either you or Ta-Nehisi Coates have.

    Oswald Bates

    • Agree: Glossy
  11. hotrod31 says:

    Don’t bet on it … there are bloody nasty Anglos everywhere in Africa. Your psycho government finances all manner of despotic criminals masquerading under the guise of AFRICOM … courtesy of the US tax-payers, financing the second (or is it third?) rape of Africa, for its resources and cheap labour.

    • Replies: @NothingMan00
  12. rod1963 says:
    @jack shindo

    Did you say something?

    Really dude, this isn’t a sociology college course where spewing word salads is rewarded.

  13. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Classic cuckservative.

    A pussyboy Con-man.

  14. I n response, I would add that the sovereign nation movement, the Mr Bundy crowd from Arizona and the KK Affiliated camps also should move to their native homeland (i.e. where they came from before they arrived in USA)and have nothing to worry about for their future as they will be with their own ilk. Your idea sounds sensible to all concerned

    • Replies: @Wally
  15. Attaboy, Mr. Derbyshire!

    Alas, your sharp riposte will have failed, because it was launched on the premise that your attacker and his ilk are possessed of the morality which he falsely accuses you of lacking. Smith and his ilk don’t care that they lie, that they slander, that they cheat brazenly, that they harm decent people – isn’t their slogan, “By Any Means Necessary”?

    By all means then, Sir: press on.

  16. From the article: “This propensity for eliding distinctions ought to disqualify Coates from consideration as a serious social analyst.”

    A similar propensity ought to disqualify Kyle Smith from consideration as a serious social analyst.

    I see what he meant to do by dragging The Derb into his essay. As a white commentator you’ve gotta ritually sacrifice a fellow white before you can start criticizing a black; it’s a way of inoculating yourself against the racism charge. In the 1980s and 1990s, it was customary for conservative commentators to denounce David Duke before offering any criticism of Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton. When Dinesh D’Souza wrote his book on race, he made certain to include a dishonest, defamatory account of his visit to the American Renaissance Conference to demonstrate his bona fides before launching into a discussion about race problems. Derb stood in as the straw man Badwhite Smith had to denounce to establish his moral authority to criticize Coates without being accused of racism. Or so he hopes.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz, Clyde
  17. Stogumber says:

    Steering their sons to resentment and fear of the outgroup – that sounds more like Jewish behaviour than Black behaviour (there’s no tradition of that kind in Black culture except where the Black upperclass is heavily influenced by Jews).
    Perhaps Kyle Smith projects things which he experienced in his parental home?

    • Replies: @SFG
  18. only the straw man Coates frequently invokes would claim the race problem is solved in America

    I don’t know about that. There are plenty of cuck-servatives out there who would probably say something along those lines. It prevents them from consciously having to confront the race issue on its own terms, where they might accidentally express ‘forbidden sentiments’ and get in trouble. So the color-blind thing is their way of avoiding the problem. The reality is, however, that they’re going to be accused of racism anyway no matter what they say or do, so long as they do not adopt the dogma of the university-town left. Our reality is not color-blind, and rhetorically it furnishes its believer with no real ‘safe harbor’ anymore… assuming it ever did.

  19. @iffen

    Who are you asking about “feral blacks” and why? Just as a courtesy to other readers who may have searched for “feral” and found nothing but your “Comment”.

    • Replies: @iffen
  20. SFG says:

    What evidence do you have he’s Jewish? Commentary’s writer stable isn’t entirely so, though obviously they have a lot.

    And resentment and fear of the outgroup is quite common among blacks.

    Seems to me he’s throwing Derbyshire under the bus so he can attack TNC. I can hardly blame Derb for being upset–it’s basically a personal attack–but it’s really just ‘see, I’m not like this other evil guy’.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Clyde
  21. Sunbeam says:

    Maybe I’m wrong, but outside of an echo chamber world no one ever reads books like this, or talks about them if they do.

    You might get a discussion of this book in NYC, but trust me they aren’t going to talk about it at all in Peoria or New Orleans.

    And increasingly… well what does it matter what people in NYC think about anything? One day, one way or another, Goldman and the Wall Street crowd wont be a money machine anymore.

    Then what? Trust me, NYC doesn’t have the headspace it once did. Actually neither does California. Been a while since something started there that people go bonkers about adopting.

    • Replies: @Gutenberg
    , @SFG
  22. @Penguinchip

    That all sounds very out of date. Not just Sobran’s 1997 passage. Generally I would say 30 to 50 years at least and maybe we should consider the evidence of WW2 behaviour….

  23. First Amendment protection hasn’t (at least until the Citizens United case) been extended nearly as extravagantly beyond common sense as the Second Amendment but would it stop JD getting a nice fat sum of damages from Commentary and Kyle Smith? Shocking if it did because no jury could fail to find actual malice in the Ta-Nehisi Coates article even if Derb’s good name was mostly collateral damage.

    Mind you I think worship of the First Amendment is vastly overdone because of its malignant part in the behaviour of police and prosecutors who use its freedoms to coerce plea bargains from the not necessarily guilty.

  24. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    Between the World and Me stands ready to be a central influence in the way young people are taught to see race in America.

    This sentence exposes the central truth about anti-white multiculturalism: that anti-white multiculturalism is deliberately being taught to white kids in scho0l. You get to a child’s mind and insert the rules for living, and those rules control how the child thinks later in life, as an adult.

    White children are being taught to hate whiteness. This happens in school.

    But this anti-white multiculturalism is not being taught on demand from the american majority.

    Who or what is causing this to happen?

    It’s not the jews! It’s not the Frankfurt School!

    Look around this american landscape. What do you see? I see tall buildings dominating the landscape in the largest cities. These are called skyscrapers. What happens in those buildings is the dominant force in america. I am going to go WAY out on a limb here and speculate that anti-white multiculturalism is being taught to american kids because the rich and powerful people who work for and own the corporations that operate in those skyscrapers want it to be so.

    And it’s not jews!

    It’s the rich and powerful and their corporations.

    Yes, some of them are jewish, many even. But every single one of them is …rich and powerful.

    And what goes on in those buildings goes on because of money. Money is the driver and motive force for what goes on in those skyscrapers.

    It is not exactly a leap of logic to speculate that anti-white multiculturalism is being taught to kids because doing so puts more money in the pockets of those people in those big buildings.

    How does anti-white multiculturalism put money in corporate pockets?

    Profits. Growth. Sales. Workers. Consumers. Revenues. Wages. GDP. Do you understand what these words mean?

    Anti-white multiculturalism increases GDP, growth, sales, revenues, workers and consumers, profits and lowers wages.

    Anti-white multiculturalism increases the number of workers and consumers in america. And that is why it is taught in school.

    Now, Dear Reader, if you think what I say here is true, then please ask yourself another question: why is it that in all the hundreds and even thousands of articles (articles similar to this one) posted on this site and other similar Dissident Right sites over the years, not ONE SINGLE ARTICLE explicitly details and comments upon what I have written here. This simple and obvious truth is never explicitly discussed on any dissident right site.


    Why is that?

    • Replies: @Wally
  25. JSM says:

    He’s got Talented Tenth Syndrome. He knows lots of big words, but he doesn’t know what they *mean.* He thinks he can string together the fanciest ones he can find at random in the thesaurus, like pretty beads on a chain, and impress people. After all, that’s what it seems to him that all the other intellectuals do, so, hey.

    • Agree: Clyde
  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a recent LA news story that explains feral black, complete with video.

  27. @hotrod31

    “bloody nasty Anglose everywhere in Africa”

    Right…who is committing rape, theft, spreading HIV, breeding beyond sustainable levels, and generally making Africa hell on Earth? Black Africans. They are the reason no one wants to go to or stay on that continent, not your AFRICOM bogeymen. As far as people “raping” Africa for its resources, whites gave up on that. The Chinese are the ones making inroads in that endeavor, and they make European colonialists seem like saints in comparison.

    • Replies: @5371
  28. I am completely with Derb here.

    However, it is a sad sign — where this article by one Kyle Smith is published.

    I do not think it is even personal animosity
    between John Podhoretz (chief editor of “Commentary”) and Derb,
    which may be traced to the time,
    when both published and blogged on “National Review online”.
    I am afraid that the tribe has decided that
    somehow Derbyshire interferes with their general direction,
    and Podhoretz (via Kyle Smith) works on the task.
    I personally do not want such ” * – thing” to happen to Derb,
    but I am not the side in this fight.

    Keep good work, Derbyshire!

  29. IA says:

    Great quote. The gods become envious of men who drink ambrosia. They, the gods, summon Nemesis which today manifests this envy in the form of Coates or Obama’s “mentors” – like Harvard law professor Bell who told Charlene Hunter Galt his life’s work was to harass white people. Status-marking Eloi whites, in an attempt to avoid Nemesis, try to shed their European genetics, culture and even sex.

    Since Europeans cannot stop being who they are and aren’t fooling anybody, especially the gods, a post-Christian scapegoat must be found. So, we see the ritual flogging of the wrong kind of whites. Over and over.

  30. Wally says: • Website
    @jack shindo

    And you, back to Japan?

  31. Wally says: • Website

    “like” is a simile, what about it don’t you understand?

    But then I suppose you will need to look up the word ‘simile’.

    • Replies: @SFG
  32. Wally says: • Website
    @Leftist conservative

    “And it’s not jews!” “And it’s not jews!” “And it’s not jews!”

    Me thinks you protest too much.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @AndrewR
  33. @asdf

    why all that talking about black on black “crime”? What is “crime” anyway? It is about violence. And it is about black on everybody else (who, hispanic, asian) violence

  34. It’s defamation, probably actionable, and Derb should get an apology, a retraction, and possibly some money. If, that is, he can find a libel lawyer to take the case on contingency. Which no one will, so he will have to console himself with the old saw that even bad publicity helps him to sell books. At least they spelled his name right.

    • Replies: @Seminumerical
    , @Ron Unz
  35. 5371 says:

    [The Chinese are the ones making inroads in that endeavor, and they make European colonialists seem like saints in comparison.]

    Some actual evidence of Chinese atrocities in Africa would be welcome, thanks, not just empty-headed bellowing.

    • Replies: @mad1
  36. @Stubborn in Germany

    It was bad publicity that led me to read one column of his. That led me to read everything he has written that can be found online. That led me to read two of his nonfiction books. I would read all his books but Amazon has repeatedly failed in getting the novels to Canada.

  37. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    Derb’s problem is being defensive and trying to stay respectable (and he is respectable, even venerable, no matter what detractors say.)

    But seriously, this is the dividing line between the establishment tards and the new fringe right. There is a slight difference in ideology, but the bigger difference is in reputation and how hard one goes to defend it. Ever listen to the Daily Shoah? Despite the name, the guys espouse almost the exact same fair-minded “judge the individual” stuff that Derb is writing here. The biggest difference is that when losers like Jonah Goldberg call them racist, they just say, “yep.”

    I know the author misquoted and mischaracterized Derb, but so what? He was purged, and is yet still trying to purge similar ideology to his own and those who believe it. Stop being a purger. Be *tolerant* of all ideologies to your right, instead of to your left. It’s the only way to win.

    • Replies: @SFG
  38. SFG says:

    There are a lot of Jews in the liberal half of the elite, so I can’t really blame the alt-righters for seizing on it.

    But I think he’s right about money being a bigger factor. 40 years from now we’ll see lots of Indian names, but the same bipartisan attempts to divide and conquer the lower classes will continue.

  39. SFG says:

    What? Point remains–he’s saying he is not similar to the evil Derbyshire, therefore his point should be taken.

    I’d like to see Derb sue, and win, but I doubt it will happen. Up to Derb if he thinks it’s worth his while–he of all people understands the concept of expected value as it relates to risk.

  40. Ron Unz says:
    @Stubborn in Germany

    It’s defamation, probably actionable, and Derb should get an apology, a retraction, and possibly some money. If, that is, he can find a libel lawyer to take the case on contingency.

    Actually, for all the many foreigners commenting here, I very much doubt this…

    In America, people are always insulting and attacking each other in print, and it’s *exceptionally* rare for anyone to be successfully sued for such insults and accusations, even if they’re rather distorted and exaggerated, and this is especially true for quasi-public figures such as opinion writers. Frankly, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of such a case.

    Anyway, the disputatious commenters posting here should certainly be thankful for this. After all, wouldn’t roughly 99% of them—along with 95% of our webzine’s writers—have long since been bankrupted (or possibly jailed for non-payment) under such strict standards?…

  41. SFG says:

    Yes and no. A lot of people in the actual middle are going to be uncomfortable when reading something like Stormfront.

    On the left, the center-left consensus of the 50s and early 60s fell apart when the radicals took over the Democratic party. Middle America was willing to listen to well-spoken guys with Harvard degrees, but when the long hair and beads came out, Nixon won.

    I actually think Trump’s your best shot. Other Republicans are already moving right on immigration. Do you think he’d be well-served by having the American Nazi Party or the KKK doing crowd control at his events?

    As for poor Derb, I think he’s screwed–his best chance is to make some cash pitching to the far right. Which he’s not temperamentally suited to do–he’s a pretty mild-mannered guy, and you can see if you read his stuff being anti-Asian or anti-Jewish is personally distasteful to him. (He actually has an old article in Jewcy telling my odious relatives to knock it off.) Personally, he can probably make more money going full Nazi. Ideologically, he could use his math skills to collect and analyze data and statistics in ways useful to immigration restrictionists, and then find ways to ‘launder’ the analysis into the writing of respectable conservative writers. But these two things are at odds. It’s up to Derb what he wants to do.

  42. @iffen

    “A feral animal is an animal living in the wild but descended from domesticated individuals.”

    On the South Side of Chicago I walked past a Greystone house with boarded up windows on a lovely tree lined street with many stone clad townhouses, also with boarded up windows. A young man came out of the house with a plastic bucket and filled it from a fire hydrant.

    • Agree: Seminumerical
  43. @Ron Unz

    Tell it to Mark Steyn, already several hundred thousand dollars out of pocket in the libel lawsuit brought by Michael Mann, and looking at certain financial devastation if, in this interminable case, he should finally lose.

  44. Gutenberg says: • Website

    I agree with you insofar as the high culture intellectualism has surprisingly narrow appeal, but I am continually startled to the extent at which trashy pop culture infiltrates red-blooded culture.

  45. Bugg says:

    “I could see no difference between the officer who killed Prince Jones and the police who died, or the firefighters who died. They were not human to me. Black, white, or whatever, they were the menaces of nature; they were the fire, the comet, the storm, which could—with no justification—shatter my body.”

    Having known several people who were murdered on 9/11, some of whom were cops and firefighters, and some of those black guys, I really wish to punch this idiot in the face as hard as humanly possible. This could be the single dumbest sentence ever written in English. And ye my son will probably be forced to read this nonsense in a college sociology class, enriching his moron as they already did with the babbling of Maya Angelou and other talent free fools. But American publishing geniuses and paying him a pile of money to live in that noted ghetto called Paris, France to tell us all the evils of America.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    , @Jeff77450
  46. @Ron Unz

    Wild insults heavily flavoured by personal taste may be distinguished from factually inaccurate statements which are damaging to a person’s reputation and, in the UK and Australia – perhaps also Canada – the only defence in a defamation action that Derb could bring would be “fair comment on a matter of public interest”. That defence is itself nullified by “malice” and I am almost 100 per cent sure that Kyle Smith would lose on that (not knowing Derb or caring about anything but being able to make his case against Coates would not excuse him from a finding of malice I think).

    As Commentary will have been published in England and London is notorious as the libel capital of the world he could give himself a nice European holiday by suing there. Then he could follow up with the more restrictive European civil law jurisdictions, stop by those precise users of the English language in India on his way to staying with friends in Australia who would enjoy finding him just the right counsel for collecting a nice holiday bonus.

  47. SFG says:

    True, but when it starts getting into high school and college syllabi, it will be used to brainwash your kid.

  48. EriK says:

    I started to read the Smith article and bailed after he started off with his hatchet job on Derb. I haven’t read much of anything at Commentary in years and that’s not just because I can’t stand JPod (although I can’t). Derb nailed it. Commentary is National Enquirer for neocons.

  49. mad1 says:

    “Some actual evidence of Chinese atrocities in Africa would be welcome, thanks, not just empty-headed bellowing.”

    You can be sure evidence will not be forthcoming. Third world counties with resources are literally rushing to do business with the Chinese. Could it be because they don’t need to overthrow the Government and grab military bases or sponsor color revolutions? Pitiful how
    the Chinese are beating us at our own game (capitalism).

  50. So will you be changing your name to John Derb-Y-Shire?

  51. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    oh, lookee lookee–the big banks are already salivating over the increase in GDP that these “migrants” will bring:

    Now who was the commentator on this very site who has been saying for quite some time now that the Establishment wants immigration because it increases growth/GDP?

    Who has been saying right here that the reason the establishment pushes anti-white multicultralism is because it helps facilitate mass immigration, and mass immigration props up the economic ponzi scheme in the west.


    I cannot put my finger on the same of that prescient unz commentator. Someone help me out here….

    And I note that not ONE single commentator here has bothered to reply to my previous comment in any substance. What a surprise. Been saying the same thing for 15 years on rightwing, leftwing and all sorts of sites…never any substantive replies. How curious.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for the quote.

  53. @Leftist conservative

    Of course corporate America and Wall Street want more immigration to increase GDP, and of course the FIRE sector wants more immigration to increase property values and speculation, You have to remember that many of the commentors here are diehard Republicans who would vote for Jeb Bush or for that matter Ta Nehisi Coates if he had an (R) after his name. They may talk about going independent but they won’t.

  54. @Penguinchip

    Joseph Sobran, April 1997:

    It is a testament to their greatness that Joe Sobran and Sam Francis’ words echo so powerfully from their graves today. Perhaps more true today than when written. That both men were driven out of mainstream conservatism says everything I need to know about that political ideology. “Conservatism” today, as represented by Republicans, is crony socialism.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  55. @Bugg

    “Having known several people who were murdered on 9/11”

    Didn’t know any of the million or so murdered by the US in this century, eh?

    Killing outside of your ingroup. That’s how it works in the animal world.

    • Replies: @random observer
  56. @iffen

    I inferred that you were attributing the use of the word “feral” in reference to “blacks” to John Derbyshire but where did you find it? It wasn’t in his article here.

    BTW “feral” is quite a popular mildly snobbish word applied to underclass (or behaving like it) youth – up to late 20s perhaps – in Australia. One wouldn’t want to move into a suburb or farmlet too close to the ferals even if all one feared was “wheelies” across one’s lawns at the weekend. They would often graduate to being “bogans” which is more a comment on taste than activities. The English expression “naff” which is a very class rooted snobbish word doesn’t seem to have an Australian use or equivalent though most bogans could be expected to exhibit the naff. And I don’t think the Derbyshire use of “feral” wrt blacks would even be within sight of the naff. ???? Derb???

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  57. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thanks for the comment.

    Derbyshire used feral blacks in a previous article.

    I know what he meant by it.

    • Agree: Jeff77450
  58. @Drapetomaniac

    Bugg is probably right about the stupidity of Coates’ sentence-

    1. Coates effectively admits his own inability to categorize anything rationally, apart from his overwhelming emotions, and rather juvenile and generalized emotions at that;

    2. Coates also demonstrates inability to differentiate between natural and human forces/threats. Despite the fact that the latter, even if he wishes to consider them evil and bigoted against him and ‘his people’, have will and intent and so can be understood on that level by most average people. Natural forces are more predictable overall by those with the skill and access to the math, but are essentially random and unpredictable on the level of an average person’s everyday life. Humans, even the nuts, are typically more predictable once you see day to day patterns visible though normal interactions. Your average teenaged gang-banger would not be stupid enough to think racist cops are as random and unpredictable as hurricanes, and would have developed well-thought out coping and cop-management strategies from experience. Coates’ quote suggests he is a dullard. A poetically-minded dullard, but a dullard nonetheless;

    3. His failure to distinguish cops from firefighters is also interesting. Have I missed the systematic violence against blacks by white racist firefighters? Or was Coates too dull to consider the different roles assigned to different professionals in a complex society?

    4. His failure to distinguish among the race of cops is also interesting. If he is willing to write off all the black cops who died on 9/11, is it because they also were somehow racist against young blacks? And how does that narrative fit with the ‘racism’ theory of police abuse. Or with the assumption that police action is always ‘with no justification’?

    5. Also, he again uses his pet, retarded, formulation ‘my body’. This construction is orders of magnitude more absurd and twee than the idiocy of his “thinking” itself.

    As to Bugg’s larger issue, I would assume he figures that as a US citizen Coates should consider those cops and firefighters part of the same ingroup as himself, at least when considered on the global scale. Therefore he should be onside with them and endorse remembering them positively. The terrorists are an outgroup outside American society, to which Coates no more belongs than those cops did. That would be the proper use ingroup/outgroup logic.

    Nor is this unreasonable. It would be one thing for Coates or any other black American to hate ‘racist white cops’ as a rival ingroup WITHIN American society. But he still has more identity and values in common with them than with most groups outside American society, certainly with Arab Muslim terrorists.

    Your average black American [of original slave ancestry] seems to think and act more like other Americans than he does even most black Africans. The sporadic outbursts of mutual contempt that have characterized the experience of African-Americans and recent African immigrants, and the gulf of lack of understanding between most if not all African-Americans and Africans still in the mother continent seem to broadly bear this out. And outside of sub-Saharan Africa, there is no external group to which African-Americans have any serious affinity greater than that to other Americans. However large the gulf between black and white America, white America is less alien to African Americans than Europe [the occasional musician excepted of course] in terms of daily life experience and upbringing. Most of the world is also fantastically more racist than white America. They just have fewer black people and don’t feel the need to be racist on a daily basis.

    And of course Arab jihadists are not exactly progressive multiculturalists, nor are Arabs in general noted for their sympathy to the black peoples. The 9/11 terrorists and their kindred are not fighting for the freedom of black America. They would also like to kill black Americans.

    Jihadists don’t care about America’s internal obsessions in general or black American navel-gazing in particular.

    • Agree: Jeff77450
    • Replies: @Jeff77450
  59. NickG says:

    actual true facts

    Overkill John.

    ‘truth’ would have done just fine.

    Otherwise, spot on.

  60. Smith’s piece would have been pretty good had he stuck to the facts and represented Derb’s work fairly. “The Talk” is enough to give moderates a case of the vapors as it is; really no need to embellish. Shame of it is, he’s one of the only widely-read movie critics that doesn’t espouse the typical Hollywood narrative. Movie criticism may be even more slavishly devoted to left-wing orthodoxy than the university system. So even though he acted like a big ‘ol pusscake, at least he’s not another A.A. Dowd. I’m giving him a mulligan on this one.

    I’ll also add in response to some of the other comments here that talk of suing and libel is a lame, left-wing tactic. In America, we shit on one another in print, and we love it.

  61. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It certainly would not have been anywhere near “naff” (I certainly hope so!). My granny once remarked : “…he has grown past his feral habits” referring to my early teenage habit of lurking around the neighbourhood in state of dishevelment.

  62. vinteuil says:

    Look, Captain Obvious: pretty much everybody here is perfectly aware that TPTB push open borders because they like cheap labor. This is not some new and amazing insight of yours.

    • Replies: @Leftist conservative
  63. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    Look, Captain Obvious: pretty much everybody here is perfectly aware that TPTB push open borders because they like cheap labor. This is not some new and amazing insight of yours.

    I take it you are referring to me.

    I will say it again– in all the hundreds or even thousands of articles posted on dissident right sites over the years, there is as far as I know not even ONE SINGLE article that is emphatically devoted to making it clear that anti-white multiculturalism (and all its associated fellow travelers) are being pushed on us because of MONEY, profits, revenues, GDP etc.

    I am not talking about some oblique reference here. And this is not some secondary and less important aspect of this situation. MONEY is at the CORE of all this. That needs to be made clear.

    And you seemed to have missed one of my main points–anti-white multiculturalism ENABLES and facilitates mass immigration.

    If anti-white multiculturalism were not crammed down our throats as young and impressionable students, there would be an insufficient level of white guilt in the voting populace. If there is not enough white guilt, mass immigration would have ….less mass.

    It all starts with molding young white minds.

    And this is a long term growth strategy.

    Show me ONE article out of hundreds that is devoted to the core driving force that drives anti-white multiculturalism.

    Show me. Put the link here.

    You wanna know why the dissident right won’t talk in detail about this? Because doing so would steal your emmanuel goldstein. Oh, yeah, them hated liberals! The SJW’s! They are behind it all!

    Not the corporations or plutocrats…oh, no…it’s the libruls.

    You would find it much harder to get your two-minute Hate on if the REAL villain were exposed.

    You see, the libruls are just ideological weapons, drones created by Capital to do its bidding. And ya know what? So are you.

    • Agree: Jeff77450
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  64. Clyde says:
    Going by wikipedia and his name it seems Kyle Smith is not Jewish. I have never heard of a Jew named Kyle.

  65. vinteuil says:
    @Leftist conservative

    “I take it you are referring to me.”

    Yup. I was referring to you.

    Look, dude – you really need to get over this delusional belief in yourself as some sort of prophet without honor in his own country.

    Every now & then, when encountering yet another of your (sometimes) interesting but (always) fairly confused comments, I wonder: is it possible that this guy has never heard of Robert Michel’s “Iron Law of Oligarchy?”

  66. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    aaaand …still no substantive reply…

  67. @vinteuil

    I am delighted to find another enthusiast for Michel’s “Iron Law” which has guided many of my thoughts for decades. Mind you I’m not sure how much of it I read and was mildly surprised to read recently that its point was essentially about bureaucracy when I have always thought of it (at least unreflectively) as more of a HBD proposition. Typically, smart, and now educated, union leaders batten on to the relatively dim and organise their votes to keep them and a labor party on top….

  68. AndrewR says:

    To be sure, Jews are overwhelmingly overrepresented among the anti-white ideologues and institutions.

    But if you think all your fellow goyim are on your team (or that they would be in a Jew-free world), you are absolutely delusional.

    There is far too much money and power to be gained by being anti-white and this incentive structure exists independently of Jews even if they are a significant force in it.

    Focusing too much on Jews is bad in two ways: it alienates Jews that could be good allies and it lets traitorous goyim off the hook.

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