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I spent the month of August far from the madding crowd’s ignoble strife. I therefore missed the Ferguson business, which seems to have featured some seriously madding crowds and strife at a dismal level of ignobility.

Hastening to catch up, I purchased the September 1st issue of Time magazine, which has a cover story on “The Tragedy of Ferguson.”

Yes, I know: Time is a mouthpiece for the left-liberal Narrative, and has been since whichever week it was in the late 1960s they lurched from ardent support of the Vietnam War to fierce opposition. If I didn’tknow that, the way they phrased the title of that cover story would have alerted me.

The word “tragedy” has long since departed from its dramaturgical origins; its colloquial usage has spread out to include almost any event involving a human death. Words often tend to lose their specificity like that in the ordinary course of language change, and there is no use complaining about it.

In an organ of the Narrative, however, “tragedy” nowadays always signifies a regression, a stumbling or backsliding in the forward progress of our society towards a radiant future of racial equality and harmony; and to earn the title of a “tragedy” the regression must be, or must be suspected of being, due to the malice of heterosexual white males against some Designated Victim Group, usually blacks.

Once you have learned to parse mainstream-media style and vocabulary like this, outlets like Time can be worth reading. To resist the Narrative, after all, you have to know what it’s saying at any given time, and what the words really mean. Probably North Koreans peruse the Pyongyang News in a similar spirit.

When, for example, the Time writers—they are bylined as David Von Drehle and
 Alex Altman—say that poverty is “rising steeply in every neighborhood” of Ferguson, the clued-in dissident reader understands that businesses and hipster gentrifiers are taking back some nearby inner city—in this case St. Louis, ten miles away—and pushing underclass blacks out to Section Eight housing in suburban Ferguson.

Following the von Drehle/Altman news story, Time offers four opinion pieces. One is a full-page column by resident political correspondent Joel Klein; the other three are invited short contributions by Senator Rand Paul, retired basketball star Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Sybrina Fulton, who is Trayvon Martin’s mother. (“Short” means 500, 600, and 400 printed words, respectively. The online versions are longer. What follows refers to the printed articles.)

What do these worthies have to tell us?

There is some boilerplate left-liberal nonsense about how “black women have been casually violated by white men for 400 years.”

No they haven’t! I refer Mr. Klein to Chapter Four of Time on the Cross, in which the authors, working from—good Lord!—actual datadeduce that antebellum miscegenation was unusual and mainly occurred among urban freedmen, and that “[antebellum] white men who desired illicit sex had a strong preference for white women.” (The authors, good liberals both, put this down to “racism”!)

On the other hand Klein is frank about black criminality: “Blacks represent 13% of the population but commit 50% of the murders … Black crime rates are much higher than they were before the Civil Rights movement.” He even ventures to the very edge of the race-realist precipice: “The facts suggest that history is not enough to explain this social disaster.”

If history doesn’t explain it, what does? Why, culture!

Absent a truly candid conversation about the culture that emerged from slavery and segregation, [these problems] won’t be solved at all.

I guess it’s a bit much to expect that a salaried correspondent at a major newsmagazine should know anything about intellectual history, but usage of the word “culture” in Klein’s sense dates only from the middle 20th century. Prior to that the corresponding concept was usually called “history.” Concerning which, see above.

  • Rand Paul’s contribution is a tortured mix of left-liberal flapdoodle and small-government libertarianism.

The flapdoodle:

Given the racial disparities in our criminal-justice system, it is impossible for African Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.

What does this even mean? “Their government”? What, the federal government? Eric Holder’s Justice Department is “particularly targeting” blacks? Or perhaps Paul means the state government of Missouri. Here is the head of law enforcement in that state.

And what are those disparities, Senator? If you factor in the huge differences in criminality between blacks and nonblacks, as noted by Joel Klein, are there any unexplained disparities left over?

Paul is sounder on the militarization of the police (which, to be fair, is his main point).

Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.

I’ll go some of the way with him there. Free people should always be wary of police power. Sir Robert Peel’s creation of London’s first police force met with strong opposition from the citizenry, who feared it might lead to a continental-style militarized state. The counter-argument was that in cases of extreme civil disorder, like the Gordon Riots of fifty years earlier, the army had had to be called out anyway.

Sir Robert got his way after promising that his Metropolitan Police force would be unarmed. British police remain unarmed on normal duties, although public opinion increasingly favors arming them, and firearms are issued when necessary—on 190 occasions in the county of Derbyshire during 2011-12, to take a jurisdiction at random.

What, after all, are civil authorities supposed to do in a case of mass public disorder, when buildings have been torched and normal life brought to a stop for days on end? It is possible to have order without liberty—ask a North Korean—but it is not possible to have liberty without order.

There will always be some point at which the actual choice is between a militarized police and the actual military. While sympathetic to Senator Paul’s suspicion of state power, I’d like that point to be far up the civil-military scale.

Among blacks there is much hypocrisy about policing. The lady who blogs at Those Who Can See posted a fine piece a few weeks ago under the title “Victimization Whack-A-Mole.”

One of the most fearful drug waves of the late 20th century became a rallying cry for harsh justice. Heather Mac Donald:

“Black leaders were the first to sound the alarm about the drug, as Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy documents in Race, Crime, and the Law. Harlem congressman Charles Rangel initiated the federal response to the epidemic, warning the House of Representatives in March 1986 that crack had made cocaine ‘frightening[ly]’ accessible to youth … The bill that eventually passed, containing the crack/powder distinction [5 years minimum for 5 g. of crack], won majority support among black congressmen, none of whom, as Kennedy points out, objected to it as racist.” [Text in quotes from Is the criminal justice system racist? by Heather Mac Donald; City Journal, Spring 2008.]

But then:

This legislative effort has today been shoved down the memory hole, as another chance for victimization whack-a-mole presents itself: “The disparity in penalty triggers between crack and powder cocaine is one of the most notorious illustrations of racism in the criminal justice system … The National Conference of Black Lawyers helped to convene a national symposium in 1993 … The near unanimous consensus from those assembled was that the sentences for crack cocaine are … highly inequitable against African Americans and, thus, represent a racially discriminatory national drug policy.

“The Coalition also sponsored a legislative briefing which culminated in Representative Charles Rangel (D-NY) introducing a bill to eliminate the disparity and make the sentences of those convicted of crack cocaine offenses equivalent to the current sentences for powder cocaine.” [Text in quotes from Crack Cocaine Reform at the National Association of Black Lawyers website; January 23, 2014.]

ORDER IT NOW

Another example of Victimization Whack-a-Mole showed up in the wake of the Ferguson riots. Blacks have of course been loud in denouncing the militarization of local police. And that’s odd, because just this June a big majority of the Congressional Black Caucus—including Ferguson’s own representative—voted against demilitarization of the police!

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s contribution to the Time symposium is titled:“The Coming Race War Won’t Be About Race.” Oh yeah?

After a preliminary flourish of racial resentment that the Kent State shootings of 1970 got far more publicity than the Jackson State shootings ten days later, Abdul-Jabbar gets down to the old-time Old Left religion:

We have to address the situation not just as another act of systemic racism, but as what else it is: class warfare … This fist-shaking of everyone’s racial agenda distracts America from the larger issue that the targets of police overreaction are based less on skin color and more on an even worse Ebola-level affliction: being poor …

You can almost hear the Woody Guthrie accompaniment.

Lots of luck with that, Kareem, but thanks for the sixties nostalgia trip.

  • Trayvon Martin’s mother’s contribution I shall leave you to read and judge for yourself.

The not-guilty verdict on George Zimmerman seemed right to me, and the Main Stream Misrepresentation (downward) of Zimmerman’s activities, and (upward) of Martin’s character, utterly disgraceful. Still, it is no small thing to lose a child, whatever the circumstances, and it would take a writer far more skillful than I am to comment on the lady’s words without violating decorum.

The question at the head of the Time symposium is: What should we do? The answers on display are:

  • Joel Klein: “A truly candid conversation about the culture that emerged from slavery and segregation.”
  • Rand Paul: “Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security.”
  • Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: “The middle class has to join the poor and whites have to join African-Americans in mass demonstrations …”
  • Sybrina Fulton (the mother): “The galvanizing of our communities must continue beyond the tragedies.”

With proper respect all round, I don’t think any of this meets the case, or even comes close.

My own answer to TIME’s header question is: We should promote race realism, spreading the understanding that innate race differences—and black/nonblack differences most of all—are real and socially consequential.

The alternative is to continue with the current fiction that observed differences in social outcome are the result of “racism”—which means, of white malice.

Was ever a more poisonous notion put about, filling blacks with seething resentment and whites with paralyzing guilt?

The culprit is not Whitey—it is Mother Nature.

The solution is not more rage and more guilt, but realism, seasoned with patriotism, proper compassion, and firm paternalism.

There is no other way forward if we are to remain one nation with equality under fair laws.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimismand several other books. His most recent book, published by VDARE.com com is FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle).His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. Don Nash says: • Website

    Time? Isn’t ‘Time’ quite like the Weekly Reader we used to get a way back in elementary school days? Pasteurized pseudo-news served up extra light for polite consumption.
    Time would be almost as irrelevant as would be the New York Times.

  2. I think that this topic, police shootings that might not be necessary and public anger, deserved a better angle than “blacks aren’t very good people and they’re not very smart, too.”

    My comment on Ferguson etc. is 1) the 10% to 20% of police who are thugs need to be fired 2) lethal force needs to be used much less often than it is by the police 3) a total demilitarization of the police 4) stop sending people to prison for drugs (and start arresting Wall Street criminals who do deserve prison) and 5) put trade schools along side high schools (see … I am against affirmative action).

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
    , @Cato
  3. Bliss says:

    There is some boilerplate left-liberal nonsense about how “black women have been casually violated by white men for 400 years.” No they haven’t!

    So how do you imagine the numerous mulattoes came to be?

    Likewise, how did the large number of “coloreds” in South Africa originate? Or the aborigine-white mixes in Australia?

  4. How do you imagine the numerous mulattoes came to be?

    The one I know personally has a black father and a white mother. I suspect he’s fairly typical in that regard.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    , @Bliss
  5. Bliss says:

    If history doesn’t explain it, what does? Why, culture!

    Sarcasm noted. So, since you are such a hard core race realist how do you explain the extremely high murder rates in middle ages Europe/Christendom or early 19th century USA?

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/23/us/historical-study-of-homicide-and-cities-surprises-the-experts.html

    Historians now say that homicide rates were extraordinarily high in Europe during the Middle Ages — and high in the United States during the early 19th century — then declined steadily until the 1960’s. And for centuries, it was villages that were often the scenes of violence.

    New data presented at the conference by a Dutch scholar, Pieter Spierenburg, showed that the homicide rate in Amsterdam, for example, dropped from 47 per 100,000 people in the mid-15th century to 1 to 1.5 per 100,000 in the early 19th century.

    Professor Stone has estimated that the homicide rate in medieval England was on average 10 times that of 20th century England. A study of the university town of Oxford in the 1340’s showed an extraordinarily high annual rate of about 110 per 100,000 people. Studies of London in the first half of the 14th century determined a homicide rate of 36 to 52 per 100,000 people per year.

    Wow. These rates for all-white western Europe are much higher than that for Africa today. The murder rate for the university town of Oxford is particularly astounding. How do you reconcile that with your racial determinism Mr Derbyshire?

  6. Bob says:

    The black people of Ferguson have some complicity in this killing and this sad situation.

    They did not vote for themselves. Half the people of Ferguson are black – but the government is white.

    Never give guns to those who both hate you and lord it over you.

    Clearly they will use them on you.

  7. Drain52 says:

    The most unconvincing rationale for ignoring the militarization of cops is that they haven’t used their tanks and machine guns yet to mow down the populace. That we would even begin to countenance cops with automatic weapons, MRAPs, fighting gear that would make a Marine envious, surveillance of crowds through the scopes of genuine sniper rifles, etc., shows how our cowardice has made bootlickers of Americans. But at least we can comfort ourselves that our streets smack of banana republic military enforcement.

    Oddly, the huge riots of the 1960s were handled by regular cops, with the National Guard as back-up in extreme circumstances. Of course, the Guard didn’t have half the weaponry the new militarized cops do. What’s more, the Guard was typically not the first response, unlike the Ferguson storm troopers sent in to handle a minor mob. It’s not surprising that neocons such as Medved, Levin, Limbaugh and others can’t tell the difference between the law enforcement we used to know and camo-ed cops pointing automatic weapons at unarmed rioters.

  8. Justin says:

    Time Magazine’s take may not seem sophisticated, but is a magazine for children after all. Hopefully the newly released Time for Grownups will offered a more nuanced perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TT81o4hL4c

  9. @Bliss

    lib, that was hundreds of years ago. Whites have evolved/learned to live civilly in modern society. the others, including muslims, haven’t. Your argument fails.

  10. @Bob

    it’s not that sad. We’re supposed to have pity for a punk that robs a store and some hoodlums rioting? not a single tear was shed here

  11. @Bob

    Ferguson is in the process of becoming a black mono-culture. Public sector employees always lag during the transition. The white private sector employers and employees are fleeing or have fled. The public sector stays, rooted with the inertia of seniority and vested pensions. So, it’s not unusual for a majority-black polity to have a majority-white government. It is a temporary situation in any event.

    When Ferguson finally becomes a black mono-culture, the all-black police force won’t bother yelling at large, intoxicated black men walking in the middle of the street.

    • Replies: @Bob
  12. Borachio says:

    Whites will soon be a minority in America (just as heterosexual males are now).

    Will we still get blamed for blacks’ every grievance?

    Believe it.

    Don’t invest your money in gold coins. Bet it on whitey’s eternal culpability for black problems. You can’t lose, except your country and your civilization.

    I think we’re all getting pretty tired of this s***.

    • Replies: @Fargo Refugee
  13. Jim says:

    Superb piece! Regarding the militarization of the police I seem to recal that some blacks in Chicago called for the National Guard or some other militarized force to be sent in to restrain the violence in the black ghetto in Chicago.

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    You seem to be assuming that all such unions were non-consensual. At any rate things like slavery ended almost 150 years ago. For a long time now white on black violence in the US has been close to non-existent. Both black on black violence and black on white violence are huge problems.

  15. @Tom Not Terrific

    1) the 10% to 20% of police who are thugs need to be fired 2) lethal force needs to be used much less often than it is by the police 3) a total demilitarization of the police 4) stop sending people to prison for drugs (and start arresting Wall Street criminals who do deserve prison) and 5) put trade schools along side high schools

    Eminently correct. Kudos.

    The people of the USA are held, mercilessly, within the iron grip of a corrupt and essentially disdainful media — media now elevated to a cynically highly-paid, highly-honored status at the pinnacle of the government machine.

  16. The Z Blog says: • Website

    The warrior cop problem is mostly a fetish of libertarians who refuse to take on the culture war. That’s not to say we don’t have a cop problem, we certainly do, but it is unrelated to the events of Ferguson or black crime in general. You could fix the warrior cop problem tomorrow and the cops will still be shooting violent black men in the ghetto.

    The thing that few bother to note is that elevated black crime levels are new. John hints that they are in line with the natural order of things, but that’s not true. When social pressure was strongly in favor of civil order and buttressed a strong civic culture, black crime was much lower. Unsurprisingly, by encouraging and celebrating black crime and disorder, we got more of it.

  17. Oldeguy says:
    @Bliss

    You might consult Gregory Clark’s “A Farewell to Alms”.

  18. Numinous says:
    @Bliss

    Good points!

    I think the decrease in homicide (and general violence) rates in European countries can partly be attributed to their shipping off malefactors to penal colonies (Australia, Virginia); and in general, letting violent people go commit their depredations on non-white people during the Worldwide Hunt For Colonies. A safety valve existed in all Western European societies from the Middle Ages to the 20th century, when it was finally not needed any more.

  19. Numinous says:
    @Rex Little

    The one I know personally has a black father and a white mother. I suspect he’s fairly typical in that regard.

    In modern America, perhaps. In 19th century America, Booker T. Washingtons and Frederick Douglasses were more common.

  20. GW says:
    @Bliss

    I won’t pretend to speak for JD, and I am not a determinist, but how does the malleability of crime rates change the biologically real nature of race? To say that rapes are more likely to occur at night than the day does not change the fact that men are more likely than women to commit them.

    Furthermore, reading your link it seems that murders were easier to commit in the 1400s. Thus has human nature really changed, or is society today more effective at policing violence and violent tendencies?

  21. Art M says:

    What amazes me is that someone could find enough content in a Time Magazine article that 1800 words could be spent bitchin’ about it. What’s next, a 2000 word dirge about some blurb from The Beverly Hills Shopper? As has been noted by various newspaper magnates (including J F Kane) “the first job of a newspaper is not ‘news’, a newspaper’s first job is to make money”, therefore the ‘news’ is whatever brings in the most money, i.e. garners the most attention, that is, whatever the fark JF Kane says it is. So, this being said, someone please explain the difference between Time Magazine and The National Enquirer. For example, how is “The Tragedy of Ferguson” any different than “Famed Pyschic’s Head Explodes” (an actual headline from, well, you figure it out)?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  22. @Bliss
    Read Pinker’s “The Better Angels of our Nature”. He cites these same statistics and shows how, as the result of the enlightenment, violence declined in Europe and then around the world as a result of the dominance of Western Culture. Violence remains high in existing hunter gatherer society’s.

    Perhaps blacks retain part of their hunter gatherer culture, although recently welfare breaking up the role of men has certainly not helped. It’s having a similar effect on whites, I expect.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Fargo Refugee
  23. Bliss says:
    @Rex Little

    The one I know personally has a black father and a white mother. I suspect he’s fairly typical in that regard.

    That is a recent phenomenon starting in the second half of the 20th century, with rare exceptions. It was overwhelmingly the reverse before.

    For centuries the western european man had been fornicating with the conquered or enslaved females of the Americas, Africa, Asia, Australia, the Pacific Islands giving birth to millions of half-breeds: mulattoes, mestizos, eurasians, anglo-indians etc. Anyone with the slightest clue about history knows that.

    • Replies: @Sean
  24. @Bliss

    You are making a category error. You are comparing an all-white society from hundreds of years ago to a different historical period or a present day society. The statistic under consideration is the vast disparity between white violent crime and black violent crime in the same time period while living in the same country.

  25. Bob says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    When Ferguson finally becomes a black mono-culture, the all-black police force won’t bother yelling at large, intoxicated black men walking in the middle of the street.

    Hmm – who has the superior culture – the one that kills the drunk – really?

  26. Sean says:
    @Bliss

    Bliss, Western European man freed native women . Women were burned on their husband’s funeral pyre or buried alive until the British put a stop to it.

    In the early days of slavery in the West Indies, poor white women had their indenture bought by slave breeders, who had their African slaves impregnate them. It was a business. (Read ‘To Hell or Barbadoes’) In Virginia slave owners gave blacks authority over white women and encouraged blacks to impregnate those white women. That altered as the number of free whites increased, but the South would have looked like Brazil if what you say was true, it didn’t. And black men openly with white women was not uncommon in northern US cities even well over over 100 years ago. In poor areas like the Bowery it was extremely common. So while whites have not been pure, they were not racially motivated; unless giving women of their own kind freedom to be with other races is racist.

    Cops have to be somewhat feared to be able to do their job. Now there is a lot of bluff involved, but back when they were feared for good reason there was a lot less crime, especially among blacks. Now there is a culture of provoking the police. Black cops can do a good job in black areas though.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  27. @Art M

    What amazes me is that someone could find enough content in a Time Magazine article that 1800 words could be spent bitchin’ about it.

    What amazes me is that you don’t know. And, since you don’t know, why you would read about it in the first place?

    Therefore, you are either blind stupid, or being contrarian in an attempt to drum up Replies.

    And I fell for it. Darn! Oh, well, it’s just this once.

  28. Bliss says:
    @Robert Hume

    Read Pinker’s “The Better Angels of our Nature”. He cites these same statistics and shows how, as the result of the enlightenment, violence declined in Europe and then around the world as a result of the dominance of Western Culture.

    In other words culture trumps biology. So much for the racial determinism of the race realist ideologues….

    Btw the highest crime rates in the world are found in westernized/christianized parts of the third world….in southern Africa, Central America, the Caribbean. The crime rates are much lower in places where the dominant cultures are islamic or buddhist. Secondly, post-Enlightenment Europe where western culture is most dominant also happens to be the place where the most brutally savage wars and atrocities in human history took place….

  29. Sean says:

    I think a lot of the problem is that those blacks who are up to being cops have set their sights higher now, due to affirmative action. Maybe there if there was an ability for local authorities to attract capable blacks into a police career through a special pay rate or bounty, then black areas could get policing that they would accept.

  30. rod1963 says:

    Who cares about crimes from 500 or more years ago.

    What matters is that blacks are a major contributor to violence across the country that is way out of proportion to any other ethnic group and worse highly destructive to urban and suburban areas where they form a near or majority of the people. Look at the cities where they have numbers – Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, etc. They are disaster zones, riddled with gangs, drugs, prostitution, schools that have been turned into war zones.

    Lets talk about schools that have a large black student population – they are a microcosm of black behavior writ large. For all intents these schools are a disaster and rife with criminality. Not because they aren’t properly funded but because the black student population is known for its lack of self-control, violence (gang and otherwise) and contempt in regards to education. Quality teachers run from such schools, especially if they are white and female, administrators cannot enforce the rules because the perpetual cry of racism from blacks and the threat of lawsuits which ultimately condemns the schools to be nothing more than a holding pen for aspiring thugs. This behavior in our schools by blacks was and is the prime motivator for white flight, the rise of suburbia followed by increasing popularity of private and parochial schooling. Whites who want a safe and quality education for their children have realized that the more blacks that a school has the worse it is.

    The same way a neighborhood declines as more blacks move in.

    This doesn’t happen with Asians or Europeans or even Mexicans. Just one group – Blacks.

    Blacks can whitewash their violent and destructive behavior all they want in lame magazines like Time that very few read. But the reality is far different and most people are quite aware of it though they keep silent.

  31. Numinous says:
    @Sean

    Western European man freed native women . Women were burned on their husband’s funeral pyre or buried alive until the British put a stop to it.

    They also burned a few themselves while they were at it, in Salem, MA, among other places.

    You make very nuanced observations about whites but paint the crudest caricatures of other races. And so do so many others on websites like these.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. Kyo says:

    A minor quibble, but that Korean newspaper is in fact the Rodong Sinmun (“Labor News”; 労働新聞 in Chinese characters, which North Koreans try their hardest never to use), not the Pyongyang News.

  33. Svigor says:

    Glad you’re back in one piece, Derb.

    Was ever a more poisonous notion put about, filling blacks with seething resentment and whites with paralyzing guilt?

    This is the primary motivator of white race-realism in America; the fact that right now, at the highest levels, liberals are conspiring to put little white babes in swaddling on the hook for black failure. The liberals don’t just expect those little white babes to cut checks to blacks when they come of age. Oh, no. Liberals want blacks, browns, and white liberals seething with hatred and resentment toward those little white babes. They want those little white babes found guilty of a horrible injustice.

    If those aren’t fighting words (or fighting ideas), what are? If that doesn’t motivate a good, kind, and true white American to utterly smash liberalism and stomp it into nothingness, what will?

  34. Svigor says:

    They also burned a few themselves while they were at it, in Salem, MA, among other places.

    You make very nuanced observations about whites but paint the crudest caricatures of other races. And so do so many others on websites like these.

    Libs like Numinous want to move the needle on the 1% of the web that’s like this place toward the other 99% of the web, where the crudest caricatures of whites and the most glowing portraiture of non-whites is iron law.

    Because libs are nothing if not fair.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  35. Svigor says:

    I’m not sad about Michael Brown. I’m glad. The world is better off without him.

    So how do you imagine the numerous mulattoes came to be?

    Likewise, how did the large number of “coloreds” in South Africa originate? Or the aborigine-white mixes in Australia?

    Same way white blood usually propagates through black populations: higher valuation on the part of blacks. It’s not our fault they reward white admixture with higher reproductive rates.

    Sarcasm noted. So, since you are such a hard core race realist how do you explain the extremely high murder rates in middle ages Europe/Christendom or early 19th century USA?

    How do you explain the extremely high murder rates in every black population, anywhere, ever?

    The question is not why this white population or that moved on from high rates of violent crime. The question is, why black populations never do.

    You seem to be assuming that all such unions were non-consensual.

    Given black females’ shameless gusto for “tha big man” everywhere in the world, I find it odd (and racist) to assume it doesn’t extend to white big men. Like the murdering warlords in Africa are wanting for female companionship, lol.

    The thing that few bother to note is that elevated black crime levels are new. John hints that they are in line with the natural order of things, but that’s not true. When social pressure was strongly in favor of civil order and buttressed a strong civic culture, black crime was much lower. Unsurprisingly, by encouraging and celebrating black crime and disorder, we got more of it.

    You’re contradicting yourself. Liberals’ laissez-faire approach to policing blacks is precisely what allows the natural order of things – black violent criminality – to assert itself. It takes strong intervention to tamp it down.

    I think the decrease in homicide (and general violence) rates in European countries can partly be attributed to their shipping off malefactors to penal colonies (Australia, Virginia); and in general, letting violent people go commit their depredations on non-white people during the Worldwide Hunt For Colonies. A safety valve existed in all Western European societies from the Middle Ages to the 20th century, when it was finally not needed any more.

    The fact that even the subhumans you refer to had their shit wired far tighter than the populations they were colonizing suggests something contrary to your general way of thinking.

    Perhaps blacks retain part of their hunter gatherer culture, although recently welfare breaking up the role of men has certainly not helped. It’s having a similar effect on whites, I expect.

    I don’t see how welfare’s really relevant. Blacks are the same the world over. Welfare’s more an effect than a cause.

    Hmm – who has the superior culture – the one that kills the drunk – really?

    No, of course not. The one with the sky-high rate of violent crime does.

    Black cops can do a good job in black areas though.

    No, once they lower standards enough to admit a lot of black cops (and that’s the only way to get a lot of black cops), things go downhill quickly.

    In other words culture trumps biology. So much for the racial determinism of the race realist ideologues.

    Nope. Biology creates culture. That’s why blacks still can’t get their shit together after watching the modern world rise up around them.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Bob
    , @Fargo Refugee
  36. Svigor says:

    They also burned a few themselves while they were at it, in Salem, MA, among other places.

    You make very nuanced observations about whites but paint the crudest caricatures of other races. And so do so many others on websites like these.

    Who put an end to Indians throwing widows on pyres? Whites. Who put an end to whites burning whites as witches? Whites.

    See the pattern?

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Numinous
  37. Numinous: They also burned a few themselves while they were at it, in Salem, MA, among other places.

    Learn something new everyday. I knew they hanged some folks for witchcraft back in the day (the punishments for heretics in Massachusetts are rather milder these days), but I had no idea they ever burned women alive for having the bad taste to outlive their husbands. Just like buzzkill Yankees to have a thing against merry widows.

  38. Bliss says:
    @Svigor

    Biology creates culture.

    Did the biology of the northern europeans suddenly change when they transformed from human sacrificing barbarians to relatively civilized folks? Or did a cultural change explain their transformation?

    Note also that this change happened very recently. Thousands of years after africans had created civilazations…

    • Replies: @Gordo
  39. Bliss: For centuries victorious human males have been fornicating with conquered or enslaved females.

    FTFY

  40. Bliss says:
    @Svigor

    Who put an end to whites burning whites as witches? Whites.

    Was the biology of the christian whites who gleefully burned pagan white witches alive in front of cheering white crowds different from the biology of post-christian enlightened whites who put an end to the savagery? After all if biology creates culture as you claim then only a change in biology can explain a change in culture. Right?

  41. Bob says:
    @Svigor

    I’m not sad about Michael Brown. I’m glad. The world is better off without him.

    Calling you a racist does not sufficiently describe your cultural lowness.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @dude
  42. Bliss: …post-Enlightenment Europe where western culture is most dominant also happens to be the place where the most brutally savage wars and atrocities in human history took place….

    Sure, if you define “brutally savage” to mean “has the means, not just the will, to lay waste to one’s enemies”. Advances in war-making technology do tend to parallel other developments in technology, and the West was pre-eminent in technology at the time of all that “most brutally savage stuff”. If you mean, “post-Enlightenment Westerners are just nastier more sadistic murderous bastards than other human beings, who are all soulful irenic human-rights respecting kumbayistas”, ha ha ha. Complaints about the unique badness of whites are complaints from people who got up to the same things but just weren’t as successful at it as Europeans were.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  43. vinteuil says: • Website

    @ Bob:

    “Cultural lowness”

    I’m trying to figure out where somebody has to come from for such a phrase ever to occur to him – and I’m coming up empty.

  44. Bliss says:
    @Immortal Violent Sexy Vampire

    Complaints about the unique badness of whites are complaints from people who got up to the same things but just weren’t as successful at it as Europeans were.

    The scale and success of european badness does make it unique, doesn’t it? Advanced technology may explain why whites lead in human slaughter in the modern age. But even in the sword and sandals era the scale of european slaughter stands out. Julius Caesar slaughtered a million northern europeans over two thousand years ago….and was hailed as a hero for that accomplishment by his fellow romans.

    So, what do you think about the endless complaints of unique badness of blacks coming from white race realists? Doesn’t that make them look like hypocrites?

    • Replies: @keypusher
    , @Harry Flashman
  45. Jim says:

    Has “ love your neighbor“ “love your enemy” ever truly been adhered to by any Western nation?

    Has there ever been an actual Christian government? Hasn’t Western biological tribalness always trumped Christian philosophy?

    Has it every been tried – why not?

    The US Constitution provides for defense – but clearly what we have today is offense – in no way can we characterize the US government’s military stance as “defensive.”

    Who honestly can say that there is not a huge difference – with great consequences?

  46. Orion says:

    Following the usual indoctrination:

    All Blacks hate all Whites. As a General Rule this always works.

    Most Whites don’t want to associate with Blacks.

    Blacks need Whites.

    Whites don’t need Blacks.

    Ergo: Blacks will always hate Whites.

  47. Bliss, what exactly do you know about the histories of other cultures? The Ottomans,who once slaughtered every Shiite Muslim within their territories? The Aztecs, who made war o other Amerinds for the express purpose of capturing them and eating them? The Moghul Tamerlane, who built minarets out of the heads of his slaughtered conquests? And how would we know how many Africans have died in centuries of tribal warfare, if they never had a written language? Sounds to me like you need to study the histories of other cultures.

  48. Also, Hindu India would probably have the highest murder rates in the world, if they counted bride burnings and female infanticides in their official figures, which they don’t.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  49. pyrrhus says:
    @Bliss

    Indeed, the murder rate dropped by a factor of about 50 in England in the last 800 years, to a present rate of about 2 per 100,000. As shown by Greg Clark and others, the reason was the execution or otherwise killing of 1/2-1% of each generation, presumably the most violent men. The population got weeded out genetically.
    No such phenomenon occurred in subSaharan Africa, which remains the most violent group in the world. American blacks are in between the two points, about 20 times as violent as white europeans.

  50. Numinous says:
    @Svigor

    Who put an end to Indians throwing widows on pyres? Whites.

    Partly right, mostly wrong. This is what you get when you read only a selection of essays, mostly by colonial and imperialist cheerleaders. For most part, the British preferred a hands off policy towards Indian customs, but in this case (burning widows alive), it was Indians who took the lead in trying to stamp it out. The administration, which was British, passed the law that outlawed this barbaric practice, but that hardly implies that “whites put an end to it” (as you put it.)

    • Replies: @Bliss
  51. Numinous says:
    @The Other Observer

    I’m quite sure bride burnings are counted in official murder figures. Female infanticide too, wherever cases are filed. Now a lot of what you call infanticide is actually gender-selective abortion (a terrible practice), so those wouldn’t count as murders in India or in any other country.

  52. Numinous says:
    @Svigor

    Libs like Numinous want to move the needle on the 1% of the web that’s like this place toward the other 99% of the web, where the crudest caricatures of whites and the most glowing portraiture of non-whites is iron law.

    Nope, I’m a libertarian and an equal opportunity offender. I protest anti-white caricatures and glowing portrayals of non-white barbarians wherever I see them too. Though that’s rare on websites like these.

  53. map says:

    Bliss’ data about the murder rate suffers from a serious error…the tyranny of small numbers. Imagine a small town of 10,000 people. The town has never had any recorded murders, but, for one year, it has three. This would imply a 300% increase in crime for this small town. Why, even NYC has never had a 300% increase in crime. Would you conclude that this small town has a crime problem worse than NYC? No.

    The same with comparing modern Amsterdam to old Amsterdam. The issue is that, while today there are many communities that have 100,000 people in them, in the past, 100,000-person communities were very few and far between. The sheer number of 100,000 person communities as well as the distribution of towns from the small to the great metropolises probably averages out to the few tens of thousands. Basic statistics in the modern world make a per-100,000 murder rate useable.

    It does not make it useable for the past. The 47 murders per 100,000 probably comes from interpolation: a town of 10,000 people had 4.7 murders, so, if the town had 100,000 people, then you would have 47 murders. That’s how they arrived at that figure. Basically, 43 murders are added that never happened, just like a 300% increase “murders” does not equal a crime wave.

    We would be lucky if the largest municipalities had 47 murders in them.

    Furthermore, these murder rates in old Amsterdam don’t say if they were annualized. We have no way of knowing how they were collected and when.

    Again, it’s just the usual sloppy research from Leftists.

    Meanwhile, the gap between black and white criminality holds constant.

  54. Harold says:

    In the following link can be found a graphic depicting the numbers of dead in, supposedly, the 100 worst atrocities in history

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/opinion/sunday/population-control-marauder-style.html

  55. Bliss says:
    @Numinous

    but in this case (burning widows alive), it was Indians who took the lead in trying to stamp it out. The administration, which was British, passed the law that outlawed this barbaric practice, but that hardly implies that “whites put an end to it”

    You should give credit where it’s due. The upper caste hindu practice of burning widows alive was ancient in India when the british arrived. The muslim mughals who preceded the british as rulers of India had tried to discourage the barbarism, without success. It was the british who finally forced an end to the cruelty by passing laws against it and enforcing them. The brahmins were furious and sent a delegation to England to protest against this interference in their ancient religious customs that even the muslims had not outlawed. But to no avail:

    This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs. Charles Napier, british commander in chief of India

    The indians who joined the british in condemning widow burning, such as Roy, were doing it under british cultural influence…

    • Replies: @Numinous
  56. keypusher says:
    @Bliss

    No one has a clue how many Gauls died in the Roman conquest, though (having taken note of Caesar’s figures for the size of the contending armies, which figures are themselves open to question) I doubt it was anywhere near a million.

    Usually these kinds of gigantic numbers from nowhere are used to make some kind of crude ideological point (the Arab world is backward because of the Mongol sack of Baghdad in 1258; the Amerindians had a more advanced civilization than the Europeans in 1492; Europeans are uniquely violent as shown by Julius Caesar; Asians are uniquely violent as shown by Tamerlane).

    The numbers aren’t real, so the arguments aren’t real either.

  57. MLK says:

    I’m a big fan of Derbyshire, but I agree with the commenters here who argue he fell short in this column.

    “Tragedy” is a much preferred descriptive to the inevitable modern alternative, “Outrage.” It’s ironic that a self-described Race Realist rejects it since it accurately implies the intractable nature of the problem(s). What Derbyshire left out — and he is hardly alone — is his desire for Improvement. We are left to conclude that he has gotten to a stage in life in which hopelessness has taken hold.

    The most salient problem revealed in Ferguson, which is amenable to improvement, and is not, by the way, inextricably linked to race, are the excessive procedural protections afforded police officers exercising deadly force. The public and governmental interests — they are not one and the same — are ill-served by the current imbalance, as was unarguably revealed in Ferguson.

  58. Escher says:

    Not one of his better articles I am afraid. Pat 1-liners to put down a perfectly valid point made by Kareem abdul jabbar that the cops are at their violent worst with poor people, both black and white. Using old fashioned britishisms like ‘curate’s egg’ is cute but doesn’t add much value to the point being made.

  59. Bert says:
    @Bob

    Well aren’t you a special little snowflake.

    • Replies: @Bob
  60. Numinous says:
    @Bliss

    The indians who joined the british in condemning widow burning, such as Roy, were doing it under british cultural influence…

    Agreed. I was just making a point against racial determinism.

    • Replies: @Sean
  61. Sean says:

    Cops make mistakes. Rocket scientists make mistakes. Doctors kill people all the time.

    “…it is impossible for African Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.”

    Does anyone really believe that “observed differences in social outcome” are due to white society keeping blacks down, targeting them for social annihilation? I think what is really being asserted is the distinctive morality of the Western world; whites owe blacks (and all nonwhites), and what whites desire for themselves is beside the point. White elite morality trumps all other considerations.

    “My own answer to TIME’s header question is: We should promote race realism, spreading the understanding that innate race differences—and black/nonblack differences most of all—are real and socially consequential.”

    There is no way to do that. The “observed differences in social outcome” are cited as evidence of racism, but you can’t bring forward any evidence that white malevolence is not responsible (such as average IQ) differences without seeming to be targeting blacks. Whites must accept white society has an inherent animus against blacks. The alternative (that when blacks don’t do as well, it is because they are not as capable as whites) is not an acceptable solution to white society.

  62. Sean says:
    @Numinous

    ” a point against racial determinism”.

    I would say that whites tend to assume the moral dimension is the essential factor. Most white people people, and almost all who matter, agree with Time. Yes, blacks were hard done by; so morality is indeed a factor, but it is not the only thing that is relevant. Blacks have been to the well of white benevolence on the assumption that there is nothing to genetic differences. Why do they need to keep coming back ?

  63. Bob says:
    @Bert

    @Bob

    Well aren’t you a special little snowflake.

    Oh Bert – thank god for big strong men like you – you are so selfless, so ready with words that lead us into battle – always waving the flag, cheering us on – just think of all the good patriotic feelings you elicit in us as we go off to war to kill and die – just think of all the joyful tears your kind have brought to humanity.

    You admonish me – the task of peace is for the weak – what a fool I am for wanting a peaceful world, when we have real men like you who are leading us on to manly glory.

    Thanks so much – Bob

  64. Nic108 says:

    Why are all the “superior” white racists the lowest specimens the white race ever produced?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Fargo Refugee
  65. Cato says:
    @Tom Not Terrific

    Agree with four and a half of these points (full of wisdom, and all politicians should heed). Completely disagree with “start arresting Wall Street criminals who do deserve prison.” We shouldn’t rush to Talibanize America: the economy is simply a place with losers and winners, it is not a place with saints and sinners.

  66. Sean says:
    @Nic108

    “Why are all the “superior” white racists the lowest specimens the white race ever produced?”

    How could they be in a position to keep blacks down if that was the case? No, the worst racists are undercover as teachers and university admissions officers. They also run Hollywood and the media .

  67. Predictably, Derb recommends “firm paternalism” as his preferred form of governance, suspicious by birth of colonial self-governance.

    Derb, with his late British imperial genetic roots, has always been a poor immigrant transplant in rebellious American libertarian soil.

    His Brit empire vision, paradoxically, leads to the multi-cult he deplores, since it is always a feature of imperialism to become inundated by the ruled. Too bad republican 1776 is just a memory.

  68. @Svigor

    Wait, someone still thinks that all human groups are biologically capable of producing any culture? Really? Where exactly is the IQ cutoff? Does it veer into chimpanzee range or does it arbitrarily just stop after we include all possible human populations?

  69. @Fran Macadam

    Yeah, cause libertarianism isn’t liberal and the sun revolves around the earth. Rebellion against a homogenous patriarchy is for community destroyers ie: communists. You forgot that they key to not being inundated by the ruled is to not rule over others that aren’t yourself. Anyway, that inundation is always assisted by an internal cancer. Hitler would never have allowed the Germans to have been inundated by the others that he would have kept control over. Do you predict that Israel will be inundated by Palestinians one day? I think they’d rather kill themselves than have that happen. It’s about force of will, not about some fuzzy maxim that I can’t think of any support for other than the agricultural south and, perhaps, Rome. You can have your paternalism and eat it too as long as you destroy the liberals as they fester.

  70. @Nic108

    No one is superior. Just different in a manner that is incompatible with some other races. Are you of the opinion that most white people, before socially liberal elementary school education, were the lowest specimens that the white race ever produced? Because most white people were separatist if not racist before the liberal 20th century. So, following the logic of your aspersion, whites produced genetically inferior people precisely until the rise of liberal elementary school education in the United States and Europe in the 20th century. Is that what your precious mind meant to imply? That’s how it reads.

    Are minds like yours examples of what the inferior separatist white man is missing out on, genetically speaking? Because reading the result of your thought process is reading the stunningly brilliant logic of a mind to which all white men should obviously aspire.

    Lets geb us sum of dat!

  71. A Jewish magazine (Time) is race hustling, antagonistic to the interests of American White People, and spinning or outright ignoring facts toward that end. ‘Color’ us shocked (ha!).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. @Borachio

    The future of Whites in the USA is identical to the current plight of Whites in South Africa.

  73. There is some boilerplate left-liberal nonsense about how “black women have been casually violated by white men for 400 years.”

    No they haven’t! I refer Mr. Klein to Chapter Four of Time on the Cross, in which the authors, working from—good Lord!—actual datadeduce that antebellum miscegenation was unusual and mainly occurred among urban freedmen, and that “[antebellum] white men who desired illicit sex had a strong preference for white women.” (The authors, good liberals both, put this down to “racism”!)

    Such an accusation is not accurate in the United States of America due to historical (social) segregation, but in other places (particularly Central-South America), it was a common occurrence.

    For example in the Caribbean, the Spanish-speaking Dominican Republic has 5-6 million mulattos, most of them descendants of Spanish Conquistador male/Black female slave.

    In Brazil, the average mixed-raced person is at least an octoroon genetically (possibly inbred) due to white males throughout decades (e.g. colonizers, white male immigrants, white male sex tourists) having relations with black female slaves and their mixed-raced females descendants for decades since the founding of Brazil (such a custom explains why prostitution is profitable in Brazil). Still, nobody cared that this happened in Brazil and it isn’t controversial (there’s no reparations).

    As a whole, mulattos descended from white male/black female are numerous, able to create entire communities and nations. The South African Colored Community is around 4 million, 500 thousand people and most of them are Mulatto descendants of Dutch (white) male/Black female.

    On the other hand, the modern middle-aged Hollywood actress Halle Berry (black father/white mother) was once loved by the media, but she’s very uncommon in terms of numerical strength (she’s rare, indeed globally other people like her wouldn’t be able to fill an entire 5-star Hotel with people who have the same biracial history as her).

  74. @Bliss

    Jewish conclusions (Stone and Spierenburg) about gentile European societies are hardly free from motivation to skew or bias conclusions. You may as well quote Iranian scholars on Jewish societies.

    However, let’s briefly suspend belief that the results are subject to political bias. Your point is made out of context to comparable facts. To make your point, you’d have to compare the aforementioned high crime European societies, that hypothetically existed almost 800 years ago, with black or other ethnic societies from the same period that were similar in population density. Have that data? Don’t know what a variable is? Then stop talking because you sound absolutely stupid when you try to pretend to know how to speak about research.

    All conclusions are subject to variables. Even when not comparing two societies, the results from research are always completely defined by their variables. Disease higher 800 years ago? That’s a variable. More corrupt police force 800 years ago? That’s a variable. Less food supply 800 years ago? That’s a variable. This makes whatever conclusions are drawn completely irrelevant to anything that doesn’t share similar variables. Therefore, a comparison between the murder rate in an 800 year old white society and literally any other society without similar variables is absolutely meaningless. The point that modern conservative whites make about black communities in the USA is that our variables are alike enough to be able to conclude that black community dysfunction, and black crime, is the fault of black people rather than the result of a significantly different variable that is out of black control.

    Thanks for masterfully clarifying a point for white people, though. The reference to the research provided a perfect teaching point. We appreciate it!

    • Replies: @Numinous
  75. @Robert Hume

    “Perhaps blacks retain part of their hunter gatherer culture…”

    My god, the reasoning is getting thin in defense of black people.

    I’d counter, then, that hunters and gatherers shouldn’t be in charge of anything important.

  76. Numinous says:
    @Fargo Refugee

    Therefore, a comparison between the murder rate in an 800 year old white society and literally any other society without similar variables is absolutely meaningless.

    It’s incomplete, yes, but not meaningless. It shows that white societies changed from being aggressive violent societies to orderly, disciplined, and peaceful societies. Which implies that negative qualities like violence and aggression (well, negative unless you have to fight back an invader) cannot be attributed wholly to race and genes, and other factors (culture, environment, migrations, etc.) can result in deep societal changes. So other societies and races (who some whites consider irredeemably dysfunctional) could learn and gradually fix themselves.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Harry Flashman
  77. dude says:
    @Bob

    I think the comment “I’m not sad about Michael Brown. I’m glad. The world is better off without him” is reprehensible. People should not approve of unnatural death.

    I think the comment “Calling you a racist does not sufficiently describe your cultural lowness” is also reprehensible. The original comment was about a thug who attacked a policeman, not a black man.

  78. noguerra says:

    Who are the dumb ones — the descendants of slaves or the descendents of slaveholders who utterly lacked the foresight to consider the social ills their policies might produce?

  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Numinous

    Nobody was burned in Salem, those were hangings.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  80. Bliss says:
    @Numinous

    True dat.

    It is always amusing to see race “realists” resorting to environmental excuses aka “variables” here, when the finger is pointed at white criminality or barbarism. But when it comes to non-whites, especially blacks, it is all about genetic determinism.

    Intellectual dishonesty and moral hypocrisy at its worst…

  81. Tim says:

    The racial determinism strawman is getting pretty tired. Race realists don’t believe race is everything. Anti-racists believe race is nothing. Neither the “race is everything” or the “race is nothing” position is reasonable.

    • Replies: @eah
  82. Dan Kurt says:
    @Bliss

    Re: “So how do you imagine the numerous mulattoes came to be?” Bliss

    The Brits bred Blue Gummed Negroes with White Irish girls and women transported to the Caribbean as punishment for rebelling and the Irish men and boys were worked to death on the same islands. Colin Powell and Eric Holder are the fruits of that enterprise. That item of history explains some of the mulattos. The Brazilian mulattos were also a planned development as well. In the old South the term for light skinned black babies was “Miracle Baby” as if by magic the mother had the less black child which many dark skinned women wanted because there would be an advantage in life for such a child. Such dark skinned women were not in any sense victims of forced mating.

    Dan Kurt

    • Replies: @Harry Flashman
  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Fargo Refugee

    Time was founded by Henry Luce, and its current managing editor is Nancy Gibbs. Jews have been prominent in running the magazine in the past, but it’s a stretch to call Time a “Jewish magazine.”

  84. eah says:
    @Bliss

    Why does he have to explain that? What does that have to do with what is going on today? Moron.

  85. Gordo says:
    @Bliss

    “Note also that this change happened very recently. Thousands of years after africans had created civilazations…”

    Africans created civilisations like you learned to spell.

    Send them home.

  86. Gordo says:
    @Anonymous

    “Nobody was burned in Salem, those were hangings.”

    They’ve seem the play, or maybe just heard of it, don’t spoil their illusions.

  87. @Bliss

    There is very little Y DNA of Euro origin in American Blacks.

  88. @Dan Kurt

    Irish girls needed no encouragement to mate with the Maroons who operated in the center of the English held Islands.

    Black women are generally unattractive as mates for white men. Same as now. I don’t want to get crude but most white men are repulsed by black females, unless they are Iman Bowie standard. Even Halle Berry is just so-so.

  89. @Numinous

    I completely disagree. NW Europe was never as violent as Sub Saharan Africa. The peace punctuated by war is a European pattern. Africans are engaged in continuous low intensity pogroms of whites.

  90. @Fran Macadam

    The US is an outgrowth of English colonization. You can’t escape this. The romantic notion of 1776 as an auto-ethno-genesis is laughable. English settlement patterns, family structure, language, legal traditions and even things like the bill of rights are English in origin. Almost an organic result of English habit.

  91. @Bliss

    No, Caesar was charged with all sorts of crimes for invading Gaul. Indeed his extension of the Empire into Gaul, his alliance with the Germans and his ransacking the gold mines in Gaul was his death warrant.

    The Romans were not proud of this episode.

  92. eah says:
    @Tim

    Neither the “race is everything” or the “race is nothing” position is reasonable.

    (Maybe it should be nor here, not or.)

    The trouble is, while race may not be everything, the ‘race is sufficient’ position appears largely correct — ie race is sufficient to, on a society-wide scale, guarantee SES inequality great enough to be identified as social pathology requiring wealth transfer in an effort to ameliorate it.

  93. iSteveFan says:

    They also burned a few themselves while they were at it, in Salem, MA, among other places.

    If you are going to make your point, then make it. Please stop using the Salem Witch Trials as proof of anything. Twenty unfortunate souls lost their lives 322 years ago in what should be a trivial footnote in history. Yet it is trumpeted front and center as proof of the depredations of whites or Christians or whatever point the narrative is trying to prove.

    You do realize that the twenty victims were all white? I mean it might suggest one is a racist if they obsess so much over the death of twenty whites from over 3oo years ago. If you want to lament the burning victims of witch trials, there are more than enough people of color to sympathize with today. See this from Kenya in 2012.

  94. iSteveFan says:

    Did the biology of the northern europeans suddenly change when they transformed from human sacrificing barbarians to relatively civilized folks? Or did a cultural change explain their transformation?

    Note also that this change happened very recently. Thousands of years after africans had created civilazations…

    I don’t know how much biology or culture came into play here, but the point is they did transform, didn’t they? The Northern Europeans developed a culture that others now want to join.

    Now Africans and others have had hundreds of years to sit back and watch the Northern Europeans transform. If it is just culture, and not biology, then there should be no problem with others copying it. Other than the NE Asians, how many non Euros have been able to replicate it?

    • Replies: @Bliss
  95. Bliss says:
    @iSteveFan

    I don’t know how much biology or culture came into play here, but the point is they did transform, didn’t they?

    How can you not know? Do you really think it could have been a biological change that explains why the northern european barbarians finally became romanized/civilized?

    Now Africans and others have had hundreds of years to sit back and watch the Northern Europeans transform. If it is just culture, and not biology, then there should be no problem with others copying it.

    Why don’t you apply that same reasoning to the northern european barbarians? The germans, scandinavians, slavs watched roman civilization longer than africans have watched modern western civilization, yet they were unable on their own to copy it. Was it genetic infusion from south of the Alps (including african, btw) that led to them being finally civilized? Or was it because the mediterranean culture was shoved down their throats?

    Secondly, africans created civilizations thousands of years before europeans. So the conviction among you racists that they are congenitally inacapable of doing it again is plain ignorance.

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