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My just-posted discussion with John Derbyshire for the VDARE Book Club can be thought of as the completion of a cycle. If we weren’t both mistaken, John Derbyshire coined the term “Dissident Right” and was using it in 2012—which today seems like ancient history. Now, the term has re-emerged as a separation from the “Alt Right” of 2015-2017. We end where we began, as graduates of the historic American Conservative Movement who have realized that changing demographics, cultural degeneracy, and a hostile elite are destroying the things conservatives are supposed to “conserve.” Conservatism Inc. isn’t doing anything about it, so that leaves us.

However, how can we do it? Both John and I are skeptical of the prospects for separation from the United States. The only way the “System” may be brought to a halt is through some external disaster.

Of course, even to contemplate something like that, something akin to the Russian military defeat in the Russo-Japanese war might be required, which is horrifying because it will mean Americans paying for the mistakes of their rulers.

If we’re lucky, John said in the discussion, it will be something more akin to the largely bloodless Suez Crisis that finally brought home to the United Kingdom that was no longer an imperial power.

John suggests that we are on the brink of hard tyranny, something akin to what the Polish and Hungarian peoples faced in the 1960s. (I agree with him.) Looking to the way those nations survived and overcame a hostile regime may be useful for Americans today.

I’ve argued explicitly that the historic American nation is essentially a stateless people, devoid of representation in the Regime that rules over them, discriminates against them, and tries to replace them.

In a global context, the exploding Third World population, especially in Africa, means that immigration issues will surge in importance, even if elites would rather bury the discussion.

John and I discussed these issues and more yesterday. Of course, the point is not just to explain the world, but to change it. There will be hard times ahead. However, this should be seen as a challenge to become and a crucible that will strengthen us. There is hope and reason for faith in victory—not least because of all the readers and supporters who make VDARE.com possible.

Enjoy the discussion (the first 20 minutes of which is posted below) and we look forward to your feedback. If you haven’t already, join the Book Club and get involved.

James Kirkpatrick [Email him |Tweet him @VDAREJamesK] is a Beltway veteran and a refugee from Conservatism Inc. His latest book is Conservatism Inc.: The Battle for the American Right. Read VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow‘s Preface here.

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  1. German_reader says:

    John suggests that we are on the brink of hard tyranny, something akin to what the Polish and Hungarian peoples faced in the 1960s.

    Those bizarre Cold war comparisons just show what clueless fossils Brimelow and Derbyshire actually are. People’s Poland and Hungary were certainly somewhat unpleasant authoritarian systems, but their rulers weren’t hell-bent on dismantling their nations and replacing them with foreigners. In fact in some ways those Eastern bloc regimes were actually often quite national (the anti-German sentiments of Poles and the narrative of the “recovered territories” certainly weren’t suppressed in the commie era). What Westerners are facing today, with native majorities collapsing and set for an already inevitable minority status by mid-century, while the Islamic world and Africa are disgorging their excess population, and an ever more repressive “antiracist” and lunatic regime criminalizing all dissent is way, way worse.

    • Agree: ruralguy, follyofwar
  2. @German_reader

    Anti-communism is a cancer on the mental state of the Judeo-Anglophone world.

    I am only partially meme-ing when I say that the salvation of the anglphone world will be brought about by a Juche-Nazbolism advocated by a leader sufficiently mutt enough to not fall for Judeo-Anglo lies, but sufficiently European enough to not fall for Judeo-Anglo lies

    100%- “European”-american results in either MAGA Boomerism or white guilt boomerism or virtue-less money obsessed corporate CEOs types

    50%- non-European-admixture-americans results in “muh Wakanda, muh evil white men, muh Noble Savages(native, africans, Irish etc).”

  3. Heymrguda says:

    Everybody says separation is impossible. What is the solution then. It was said the partition of India and Pakistan was impossible but it happened in 1947. It’s at least some goal to work toward. The alternative is just endless talk and hand wringing while the situation gets worse.

    • Replies: @Anon99
    , @Anon
    , @dfordoom
  4. unit472 says:

    While an external event is possible an ‘internal’ one is inevitable and it will be economic. Running the US government on fictitious money conjured up by a Central Bank is what has been going on for a decade. At some point soon, government is either going to have to default on the commitments it has made to the public or massively scale back its payroll. This is going to happen at the national, state and local level. Pay the pensions or the public payroll? Holders of government bonds are going to demand higher interest rates which will consume more of what little actual tax revenue governments take in. The blue states are already hitting the wall on what they can spend. Try and raise taxes and the remaining tax cows will pick up and move to low tax red states. Cuomo, Pritzker and Newsom can demand Biden bail them out but can Biden get the votes in Congress to do it?

    Democrat Senators from Virginia or Ohio have no incentive to bail out broke blue states if they want to get re-elected in their own

    • Agree: ruralguy
    • Replies: @animalogic
  5. The only way the “System” may be brought to a halt is through some external disaster.

    A purposeful engineered internal disaster would also bring everything to a halt.

    The Deplorables should go to work and purposely become a less than desirable employee so as to get fired. Then they can get on the unemployment roles and bankrupt the country while eliminating the movement of almost all goods and services if 75,000,000 were to do this in a short period of time.

    The state needs the deplorables labor to survive. Remove the labor and there aren’t enough academics, actors, race hustlers, etc to take their place. Checkmate.

  6. @anyone with a brain

    The Irish are savages? 1860 called and they want you back.

  7. I’ve argued explicitly that the historic American nation is essentially a stateless people, devoid of representation in the Regime that rules over them, discriminates against them, and tries to replace them.

    Exactly the opposite is true, people have got their state but never coalesced into a true nation. Citizenship is not nationality.

    P.S. I also have argued about this explicitly and continue to argue.

  8. ruralguy says:

    Most people base their beliefs on the social gains they get from aligning their views with people in power. Right now, all people in a positions of power in corporations, schools, and the government are left-wing. The more left you go, the better your social position.

    In the Soviet Union and in the French revolution, people had to keep going further and further left, to stay alive. Like those revolutions, our cultural revolution will within five years, likely collapse into apathy and resignation. Long ago, it looked like 2028 would be the end of the country, because of the debt implosion, the loss of skills from retiring baby boomers, and the Congressional Budget Office / Fed estimate when social security, medicare, and the debt will be unsustainable. It now looks sooner.

    • Agree: botazefa, Mark G.
  9. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    The Irish without Christ are savages, yes. Look at the island now, and Americo-Irish like the Kennedy’s.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
  10. Stogumber says:
    @German_reader

    “Fossils” have the advantage to know past situations and thus can do comparisons. Derbyshire quite correctly compares the present Democrats with the Communists under Kadar (vs Nagy) and under Jaruzelski (vs Walesa). In both cases the Leftists were simply freaked out by an opposition they had not expected and reacted with a draconian – but lame, boring, grey – dictatorship (nothing of the high hopes and the enthusiasm stifled by Lenin or Hitler in their early days).
    So people have lived through such a situation and have learned to cope with it – and we have to study their example in order to cope (at least) as well as they did.

    • Replies: @Stogumber
    , @German_reader
  11. Stogumber says:
    @Stogumber

    One other person who compares our future to the Hungarian/Polish past is Gregory Hood. From there he comes to the following advice:
    “First, don’t give them excuses. Obey the law. The law isn’t applied fairly, but don’t make it easy for them. Naïve Americans who occupied the Capitol and thought they would be treated like BLM protesters are learning their lesson. Don’t post about “militias” or imagined uprisings on Facebook. Prosecutors and journalists will take even obvious jokes seriously (or at least pretend to). Anarcho-tyranny means tyranny against you and indulgence for others.

    Second, build networks that focus on peaceful cooperation and survival. Buy land. Move closer to like-minded people. Run for local office or get your friends to. We need to build a nation from the ground up.

    Third, secede mentally. The regime does not represent you. You can obey its authority without admitting its legitimacy. It is not what the Founders wanted. Don’t joke, spread an edgy meme, or think that tyranny happens only somewhere else. It’s here.” (Gregory Hood)
    https://www.unz.com/ghood/regime-takes-aim-at-white-advocates/

    • Replies: @martin_2
    , @HallParvey
  12. German_reader says:
    @Stogumber

    So people have lived through such a situation and have learned to cope with it

    That’s complacent imo, the situations aren’t comparable. Dissidents in the Eastern bloc could hope that time was on their side and they also had the West as an alternative system opposed to Marxism-Leninism. Whereas today there isn’t any alternative system challenging “antiracism” (the Chinese and the Russians will cynically use racism accusations, voice support for BLM etc. if they think it weakens Western states) and time is against Western nationalists, because mass immigration is continually creating new facts that can’t be reversed without massive violence that would be unpalatable even to most right-wingers.

  13. Exile says:

    Chaimerica doesn’t have the ability to effectively police its own cities, much less the entire territory. And it’s getting less competent and more unstable on an accelerating timetable.

    American Whites are simply going to have to learn to be real dissidents. Right now their idea of oppression is losing their 401k. Solzhenitsyn’s are made of sterner stuff.

    If they do a decent job of this, they can achieve “soft secession” in the near to mid term. Similar to what happened with Britain in the late Roman period. The Empire didn’t have the resources or will to keep the pressure on and the local authorities gradually became autonomous in fact if not in name. Areas like the Northwest, Rockies and Appalachia will simply go their own way, not in a formal sense with declared sovereignty, their own armed forces, etc… but rather simply by being ungovernable by the central authority or simply being “out of sight, out of mind” like the ghettos of the inner cities and the Mexification cited by Victor Davis Hanson in his writing on California.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  14. botazefa says:
    @RoatanBill

    The state needs the deplorables labor to survive.

    Thirty years’ of globalism faithfully transferring deplorable jobs to appreciative masses in China, Vietnam, Maylasia, etc. has proven unequivocally that deplorable labor is unwanted.

    The only deplorable labor that remains is public sector, much in DoD. DoD is about to remedy that problem during a just announced 60 day DIE pause. The stated goal? To root out deplorables.

    The Deplorables should go to work and purposely become a less than desirable employee so as to get fired.. Then they can get on the unemployment roles and bankrupt the country..

    Unemployment doesn’t pay much, and won’t pay if you’re fired for cause. And it won’t pay for long even if you manage to get yourself fired in a way that doesn’t disqualify you for meager unemployment benefits.

    Better to hold that job, stock up on essentials. maybe buy some physical gold, and pray.

  15. SafeNow says:

    Commenters above raise the point that “they need us.” This has been posted scores of times in recent months. Christopher Caldwell, in his Nov. 2020 essay in The New Republic, closes his essay with the following paragraph. It ends regarding interdependence. I do not understand what he is getting at in the final sentence. Maybe someone can help me. Here is the paragraph:

    In the 1860s, three major Western countries—Germany, Italy, and the United States—each fought similar wars of national unification, in which the more dynamic part of the country subjugated the more bucolic (or backward) part. In our time, Democrats are the party of relatively greater technological and demographic dynamism, Republicans the party of relatively less. This is not the same type of relationship as the one that obtained until half a century ago, when Republicans were (roughly speaking) the party of capital, and Democrats the party of labor. Capital and labor need each other in a way that dynamism and tradition do not. One fears the present conflict will differ accordingly.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  16. @botazefa

    deplorable labor is unwanted

    I thought that was a bit of hyperbole.

    The only deplorable labor that remains is public sector

    Now that is pure unadulterated bullshit and you know it.

    won’t pay if you’re fired for cause

    I’ve been an employer for over 30 years and I’m well aware of the techniques employees use to get fired that still allows them access to unemployment. Don’t piss on my shoes and try to convince me it’s raining.

    Better to hold that job, … and pray.

    Yes, pray. That will surely make it better. Why not bend over and grab your ankles instead?

    • Replies: @botazefa
  17. fitzman says:
    @anyone with a brain

    Hey “Brain”…there would be no European culture to save/lose were it not for the degenerate and savage Irish…smarten up, you ignorant bigot, and go nuzzle your photo of Prince Willie’s bumhole

  18. botazefa says:
    @RoatanBill

    I’ve been an employer for over 30 years

    Ok, then you tell me how big is the white blue collar labor market in the US now, and what was its size in 1990. Or perhaps you think deplorables are not white people clinging to their guns and religion? Tell me how many Deplorables you employ now vs 30 years ago. How many were dying from oxycontin 30 years ago? They call it hillbilly heroin for a reason.

    Deplorable jobs have been shipped overseas. This is obvious to anyone. That labor is, in point in fact, unwanted. It is not hyperbole, it is simply true.

    The only employers interested in Deplorables is the public sector. This is an obvious fact, yet you call it bullshit. Not the private sector, unless you suppose all the construction work going in in the US is being done by white guys with a high school education?

    It is fine that you know of ways to defraud the government. I’m not pissing on you and claiming rain – that’s what your hairbrained advice would have people do.

    Advising people to quit their jobs for the purpose of bankrupting the US, which is exactly what you stated, is stupid. It makes me dubious of your status as an employer of any more than a few poor fools.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  19. “Our enemies have beat us to the pit.
    It is more worthy to leap in ourselves. Than tarry till they push us.”

    I see this thread start off calling names to gentlemen who without direct compensation are creating content and sharing it for free with others, and a squabbling, quarrelsome raging diatribe, one against the other blustering away, soon follows.

    To implement cooperation, it has to start off with cooperative cordiality, respect to others, and a recognition that none of us is the ultimate authority.

    The secret is fairness. Unless and until you master this aspect of group relations, you may as well follow Shakespeare’s advice because you will be going nowhere else.

    • Thanks: tgordon
  20. martin_2 says:
    @Stogumber

    People, white people in particular, will do their thing quietly. If they think they are getting a bad deal, that they are being treated unfairly, they won’t riot or even complain, but will simply walk away from the table. White flight from the cities is a good example of this. (This has happened in the UK too, it is not just an American phenomenon.)

    White people won’t need any encouragement to walk away. I don’t even think there has to be any conscious awareness of the reasons in their own mind. (Again, white flight is a good example.) One sometimes stops participating without even having any clear idea why, but it is just because people will quietly walk away from a bad deal.

  21. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @RoatanBill

    SOLUTIONS:
    1) Strengthen local conservative COUNTIES (County Sherifs, local politics..)
    2) Think LOCAL not global (local supply chains, local security, local credit-unions, local farms..)
    3) Non-Cooperation with liberal/globalist areas and businesses
    4) Build Local Conservative Populist movements
    5) Establish conservative internet servers/platforms and MSMedia platforms
    6) Do not play into their traps: a) bank debt, c) co-dependency…

    7) Understand the Strategy of Our Enemy

    We are witnessing the End Phases of a Centuries-Long, Slow-Marching, Subtly-Subversive, Almost-Imperceptible, Shapeshifting Cultural-Revolution: where a Hidden-Enemy-From-Within assumes the identity of its Victums, and its Useful-Idiots (which are disposed of, after being used, like a pair of old rubber-gloves). These Shapeshifting-Revolutionaries are not “Cultural Marxists”, although they use “Cultural Marxism” to Inflict their Will. Similarly, they are not “Black”, although they use “Black Lives Matter” to Inflict their Will. They are not “Third-World-Immigrants”, although they use George Soros’s “Open-Society/Open-Boarders” to inflict their Will. They are not “Christian-Zionists”, although they use “Zionism” to Inflict their Will. Many of them claim to be “Jews”, although they actually are not…and only use the terms “jew” and “anti-semitism” as Liability Shields, and Cloaks of False Trust/Sympathy…to Inflict their Will.

    Shapeshifting-Identities is only one of the many different Subversive-Racketeering-Strategies employed by these Hidden-Enemy-From-Within (Covert) Revolutionaries. Another common strategy is the old “Left-Right Bait-and-Switch” (aka: fake-pump to the Left, bait-and-switch to the Right, and then fake-back to the Left-Right again…). These Con-Artists have No Loyalty, one-way-or-the-other: they switch “team-jerseys” at the drop-of-a-hat…whatever best serves their Con-Agenda (Left/Right, Black/White, Jew/Goyim…). Several recent historical examples of this “Left-Right Bait-and-Switch” are: 1) 1910’s Russia, 2) 1930’s Germany/Italy and 3) 2020’s United States. In each of the examples, these Covert Revolutionaries first:
    a) “fake-pump to the Left” (Cultural-Marxism/ Judeo-Bolshevism), then
    b) “bait-and-switch to the Right” (National Populism: Czar Nicolaus, Adolfo, Mussolini, Trump…), and finally
    c) “fake-back to the Left-Right again (WW1, WW2 …maybe WW3?)

    Another common Subversive-Strategy used by these Covert-Revolutionaries is the “Slow March” through our Institutions (slowly and subtly taking power) of:
    1) Information/Communications (media, academia, publishing, internet…),
    2) Politicians/Government (regulators, lobbyists, AIPAC, NGOs…),
    3) Corporations/ Big-pharma/ Medicine…

    The Motive behind this Covert-Revolution is a desire to modernize their obsolete Central Banking System (which is the ultimate source of their parasitic-power) and also combine that with an Orwellian Technocracy Globalist Government (aka: Great-Reset). The reason these Revolutionaries are targeting the US, Europe, and Caucasian-Americans is that we are the Largest Obstacles which stand in their way. The big question is: will these Covert-Revolutionaries (central banking parasites) win?

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  22. Disunited States of Amnesia —correct ??

  23. Anon99 says:
    @Heymrguda

    Is separation really feasible? Even if achieved would the newly formed state not be the pariah of the world, a la apartheid South Africa? How would it survive sanctions and other forms of “pressure” to bring it to heel?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  24. @unit472

    “At some point soon, government is either going to have to default on the commitments it has made to the public or massively scale back its payroll.”
    No.
    That’s not how money works. The Fed Gov need never default on any commitments made in US dollars.
    What CAN happen is that citizens or the world lose faith in the dollar (ie they realise that so many dollars have been created that the dollar is worth….?? Call it inflation) & start dumping it for something else — bitcoin/digital currencies, Canadian dollars, silver etc.
    However, the US dollar is still the world’s reserve currency — & that’s no small thing.

  25. @SafeNow

    “Capital and labor need each other in a way that dynamism and tradition do not. One fears the present conflict will differ accordingly.”
    Somehow the writer seems to have dissolved today’s issues down to a dialectic between tradition (the R’s) & dynamism (the Dem’s). This dialectic is apparently weaker than the labour/capital one. That in turn is based on his views
    that the US, Germany, Italy fought similar wars of unification (& is also arbitrary & a bit bonkers. Germany (never unified) attacked outwards, the US (unified since 1776) inwards. Not similar….

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  26. @botazefa

    I wasn’t aware that there are no more truck drivers hauling food and freight across the nation, no more linemen keeping the electrical grid functioning, no more dock workers loading and unloading ships, no more ground crews and mechanics keeping the airlines operational, no more sanitation workers picking up trash, no more train and subway workers keeping the trains operational, and that the UAW only represents robots now.

    Thank you for the information. /sarc

    The average person doesn’t know that expats only start to pay Federal Taxes after they’ve earned over $90,000 per person. That’s the law. That would be $0 tax liability for a couple earning up to $180,000 per year. Avoiding paying taxes as an expat is easy. Just don’t earn more than $90,000 each. No fraud or tax evasion involved. So, learn a few things before shooting your mouth off.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  27. John

    No mention of post-1965 race-replacement immigration policy. So what exactly do want to conserve? A conservative book reading club? The Democrats have made an open declaration of a Race War against the Native Born White American American Working Class Majority…it is all out in the open now. THEY WANT US FUCKING DEAD!!!!!

    • Agree: Catdog
  28. botazefa says:
    @RoatanBill

    I wasn’t aware that there are no more truck drivers hauling food and freight across the nation, no more linemen keeping the electrical grid functioning, no more dock workers loading and unloading ships, no more ground crews and mechanics keeping the airlines operational, no more sanitation workers picking up trash, no more train and subway workers keeping the trains operational, and that the UAW only represents robots now.

    You aren’t talking about Deplorables. You are talking about jobs that Deplorables used to enjoy prior to being overwhelmed by immigration.

    Your mistake here, I think, is believing that the Deplorables have political agency. I thought they might, too, but then 74million votes was proven insufficient.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  29. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    The state needs the deplorables labor to survive. Remove the labor and there aren’t enough academics, actors, race hustlers, etc to take their place. Checkmate.

    Agreed, not to mention those you mentioned have no abilities of value to humanity.

    Since the Deep State and its minions are incapable of self-sufficiency, a reasonable way to defeat them would be to isolate them…blockade their sustenance. Most of the Deep State and their minions are denizens of large cities…they produce nothing of value. The people who actually do productive work…those deplorables of flyover country, could cut off their power, water, food and, products from outside.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  30. @botazefa

    So, your premise is that robots and immigrants are doing all the manual and semi skilled labor in the US. I see no evidence for this wholesale assumption.

    Your definition for deplorable is probably different than mine. To me a deplorable is anyone working for a living that sees the law as targeting them for continued exploitation for the human trash in the society on the one hand and the very wealthy on the other. How they got to the US at that level is immaterial. I don’t condone illegal immigration, but that’s a separate discussion. If they’re working and getting screwed by the system is all it takes to be a deplorable in my book.

    If the truckers organized, as they should, since their jobs are going to get automated out of existence soon, they could shut down food deliveries. If the dock workers stopped all ship activity, Walmart would have little to sell. In general, if the workers, immigrant or non immigrant, decide to shut down the country till they got a fair hearing about their grievances, there is no alternative workforce able to step in and that would bring things to a boil.

    The only weapon the working population has is their labor. They should use it to their advantage.

  31. Travis says:
    @RoatanBill

    Deplorables need to start having more babies and move in mass to white states to build strong communities, take control of the school boards, teaching staff and school administrations to educate themselves to the best of their abilities and implement vocational training for those best suited to earning a living as skilled tradesmen, mechanics, carpenters etc..Deplorable Whites should all be migrating into states which are 90% white and take control. there are only 9 states left which are 90% white and if enough deplorables move to these states they can take control of the states government, schools and communities. Maine and New Hampshire are all over 90% white but with small populations, so an influx of 100,000 fertile whites into each of these states would be enough to change the politics of these states in a few years time and allow whites to thrive and maintain white culture.

    The biggest threat to whites in America is our rapidly declining numbers. The white fertility rate is now below 1.8 but this is misleading since 10% of the offspring of white women are non-white children. So the true fertility rate of white women is actually closer to 1.6

    The number of white babies born in America fell below 2 million for the first time 4 years ago. Back in the sixties 3.3 million whites were born each year. Over the last 5 years there have been more non-white births than white births, with white births averaging less than 2 million per year.

    The low fertility of whites would not be too terrible if we did not allow 900,000 non-whites to immigrate to America each year. But even if immigration of non-whites was abolished , whites will still be a minority in 20 years due to the higher fertility of Blacks and Hispanics. Without more white babies, whites will quickly face tougher and tougher living conditions. We are just starting to see the results. If this fertility continues much longer there will very few whites living in America in 50 years. With current trends it is doubtful we will ever again have 2 million white births in a year. So the best solution is for deplorable whites to build their own ethno-state to maintain their cultural heritage and live separate from non-whites. Taking over Maine and New Hampshire would be the best options, and easier to defend if they choose to form a separate nation. Start by not paying any federal taxes, encourage firms to pay all employees off the books, easier to do if states do not depend on income taxes.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  32. @Stogumber

    Second, build networks that focus on peaceful cooperation and survival.

    Avoid the temptation to join a CIA/FBI funded subversive operation designed to flush out deplorables who might actually organize. The recent siege on the Capitol was a showplace of disorganization. Remember Ruby Ridge.

  33. @Travis

    Do you live and work in one of those 9 states you alluded to?

    Your idea requires decades of work to even begin to implement that as a solution. There isn’t that much time left, IMO. What you’re asking for is a reversal of current trend and then working inside a totally corrupt political system to produce the Ozzie and Harriet era of decades gone by. Not gonna happen.

    Of the 9 predominantly white states (your figure), why is it they are still part of the USA? Why haven’t they figured out that they are already at your ideal and secede to stave off their eventual pollution with other races?

    I agree that under the current US political paradigm, demographics is destiny. People can’t pack up and move to other sparsely populated areas because there aren’t enough jobs and infrastructure there to support them. I believe the Free State Project (https://www.fsp.org) already thought of your idea a long time ago and has accomplished very little.

    The new beginning will occur when the Fed Gov dies along with their phony dollar. As the Fed Gov goes, so do most of the other state governments, especially the Blue ones, which can’t survive without Federal largess. When the Fed Gov can no longer pay their hired mercenaries in the military and state gov’ts can no longer afford their national guard and police thugs, then the overhanging atmosphere of force and coercion that permeates the land will subside and it might be possible to produce a more reasonable and peaceful system.

    • Replies: @Travis
  34. Mark G. says:
    @botazefa

    The only deplorable labor that remains is public sector, much in DoD. DoD is about to remedy that problem during a just announced 60 day DIE pause. The stated goal? To root out deplorables.

    I work for the DoD and there are more deplorables here than many people think. I believe that John Derbyshire here has mentioned his son was in the military and he noticed that while serving. When Ron Paul ran in 2008 he received more political donations from active and retired military members than all the other Republican candidates put together. The military guys I talk to don’t have any illusions about the propaganda emanating from the top brass. The ones who went to Iraq and Afghanistan became aware that the locals hated them and saw them as an occupying force rather than liberators bringing freedom. A lot of military members and civilian DoD workers just want a military that defends the country and our traditional freedoms and not a multicultural empire with bases around the world.

    So I can see why there is an effort to root out anyone who might not be dependable supporters of the current corrupt Biden regime. They recently banned dissident right sites like Unz.com on DoD computers. If the country starts falling apart, the government may find at least some of the military may go over to the side of the rebels. I will be retired by then so won’t have to make the decision.

  35. @RoatanBill

    Getting fired for deliberately doing a poor job could make it unlikely that a “racist” white man would qualify for UC. The employer could label it “Willful Misconduct,” in which case UC is denied. Of course, the fired deplorable could appeal the decision, but winning the case would be a roll of the dice. If this man told any of his co-workers about his intent, or if he said ANYTHING about his plan on social media, he can forget about ever getting on the UC gravy train. Deliberately becoming a poor worker to get back at the System would also make it much harder for a deplorable to get a decent job in the future.

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  36. @follyofwar

    I have no doubt that what you say is true. Stupid people put their lives up on Facebook so they can

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. – Albert Einstein.

    So, keep doing what you’ve been doing and see if anything changes. Keep voting for the uniparty and see if your vote actually matters.

    What I’m really suggesting is the various trade organizations or unions become the focal point for a revolt against the covid nonsense and by extension, the entire gov’t apparatus that is suffocating the population in an attempt to institute a world wide totalitarian feudal state by dint of their control over what constitutes money with armed thugs they pay for with your voluntary taxes.

    If you don’t like my suggestion, what’s yours?

  37. @botazefa

    That 60-day pause to root out deplorables in the military could be a blessing in disguise. Surely most of the dissidents they are looking for are heterosexual Whites, who are among the military’s elite. Wouldn’t it be great if they discharged thousands of White non-coms and hundreds of officers for having unapproved views? After losing their livelihoods, these deplorables might be looking for some payback.

    Above all, it would make the military weaker and less able to wage aggressive wars for Israel, which is a definite plus. Let the women and trannies take charge. Have them come home in body bags instead of men. We’ll soon see how well that works out.

  38. Travis says:
    @RoatanBill

    The Free State Project had little impact, since only 5,000 Libertarians moved the New Hampshire. They did get 18 members elected to the state legislature…but 5,000 people is not enough. Libertarianism is a strange ideology which mostly attracts single males, so there are very few libertarian families. If 100,000 deplorables moved to Maine it would have a much bigger impact. It may take 5 years to get 100,000 deplorables to move to Maine. There are millions of whites currently working from home, and many of them could relocate to Maine and continue working the same job today. It is easier than ever to work from home. With thousands of new residents they will need more shop-owners, cooks, laborers, carpenters, teachers etc…Once they get 100,000 deplorables they can start changing the schools and creating a better conditions for whites which will attract another 100,000. the cold weather also helps repel non-whites from moving to Maine. Maine’s infrastructure can easily support another 250,000 people today.

    If you are correct, and we have less than 10 years before society collapses it would still be imperative to live in a white state. For those who fear the war against whites will escalate, these states would be better places to raise white families. Maine also offers the best potential from succeeding from the US, as it borders only one state and shares a larger border with Canada and is not landlocked. The cold weather also makes it unattractive for non-whites. Eventually the US may dissolve into multiple states, doubt this occurs in my lifetime. But over the next decade whites can live well in Maine and build the type of state which is ideal for whites.

    Even if the situation is the US remains relatively stable over the next decade, living among whites offer tremendous benefits to ones family and progeny. You dramatically increase the possibility of having white grandchildren, as your children will have little opportunity to date non-whites. With 100,000 like-minded whites they will foster the foundations which offer the possibility of having a place of refuge for other like-minded whites in the decades to come. Staying in NJ or Pennsylvania or Florida or California will certainly doom your grandchildren to being second-class citizens.

    The biggest problem with the US is the rapidly changing demographics, not the debt. The US can continue to debase the value of the dollar, as we been doing for the last 100 years. If it gets so bad that the military and law enforcement lose their funding, and society collapses the new beginning may well be the end of whites in America as generations of Americans were raised to blame whites for all the problems of our nation. There will not be enough whites in America to start a new white nation in another few years, as most whites today are over the age of 50

    places like Maine will be the safest location to avoid the rioting, and race-wars if the US collapses into anarchy. in a few years time the military will be mostly non-white, and Biden may well be the last white commander-in-chief. If the US implodes financially it will be safer to live in a community of white Christians. Settling your family in a white state offers the best protection from racial violence and rioting which may occur in the next 25 years. Staying in areas which are less than 90% white will be quite dangerous. A new beginning requires a state that is 90% white. Few states offer this today and Maine has just 1.3 million residents, so 100,000 deplorables would have the power to alter the politics of the state and its schools.

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    , @Sick of Orcs
  39. @Travis

    New Hampshire was eventually selected by the Free State Project (FSP) after considering alternatives. Why, in your estimation, would Maine be better, since you focus on Maine?

    I agree living among your own kind is the most desirable. Living among your own kind AND those being liberty minded would be ideal. There are many things I like about the FSP such as open carry without a permission slip, low taxes, a general distrust of gov’t, etc. What I don’t like about the FSP is it’s in a place where they have snow and 4 seasons. I hate the cold and is one of the reasons I moved to the Caribbean.

    As far as states go, New Hampshire has some of the best characteristics written into law for anarchists, agorists and other malcontents from the gov’t perspective.

    • Replies: @Travis
  40. @RoatanBill

    Roatan,
    You’ve won me over with the force of your rhetoric.
    I hope things are going well for your wifeand you.
    I gotta admit…i wasn’t on your side. I doubt you would want me on your side.
    You’ve won me over.
    You’re changing hearts and minds.
    I hope the best for ya.
    Some of us have to stay and fight. Hard to overcome.
    I believe in you.
    Hope things workout for ya, Sir.
    The wife must be a helluva quill in the sliver. Good for you, Sir.
    Still…it’s not like we’re not gonna need ya.
    Take care, Sir.
    Hope you had a good meal tonight.

    • Thanks: RoatanBill
  41. Travis says:
    @RoatanBill

    New Hampshire and Maine would both work equally. In both States Biden won 53% of the votes while Maine and both States have 1.3 million residents and 1.2 million Whites. But when looking at the Non-hispanic white population Maine is 93% Non-Hispanic white verse 90% in NH. So Maine is the whitest state in the nation today which gives it an edge over NH.

    The advantage of NH is no income taxes, but if enough deplorables moved to Maine this can be rectified. The advantage of Maine is larger coast and they only share a border with NH and Canada. New Hampshire shares a border with 3 states and Canada. Coastal Maine has it’s own separate climate due to the warm current coming up from the Caribbean which is another reason I prefer Maine.

    NH has attracted a significant number of liberals from MA due to the lack of taxes, which is one reason the Libertarians moving their have not had much effect. Maine wins in the long-run because of its isolation, and distance from Boston, larger border with Canada and much most coastal property. Land-locked states are not ideal in the event of creating a separate nation. A large Border with Canada is an advantage, offering whites as easy escape if invaded by US forces. Bordering one friendly state is another advantage. NH borders two unfriendly states, Vermont and MA.

    It certainly is a long-term plan, which would take a decade to see tangible results. Maine does not attract minorities, but is attractive to whites due to its beautiful coast and mountains. Maine is much larger than NH and less crowded and has more deplorables today than NH. The big question is how many deplorables would be wiling to move to Maine ? Maybe there are not 100,000 whites willing to relocate and build a white state which protects white rights, create schools which which advocate for whites and western civilization and oppose woke ideology. But white families who remain in NY, NJ, PA, Virginia, Maryland and Ohio etc…are destined to see the erosion of white civil rights and half of their grandchildren will be of mixed race. Few deplorables from the south or west will be willing to move to Maine , due to the winters. But the winters in Maine are not much colder than PA, NY, Ohio and MI. But even if only 10,00o deplorables seek refuge in Maine , the life whites can live in Maine, removed from the threat of Blacks, would improve their families chance of survival as conditions deteriorate for whites in most states across America.

    Current demographics and immigration policies ensure that whites will soon be a minority in the United States. But their will remain pockets of white areas. Nevertheless by the year 2100 most of our own great-grandchildren will be non-white and hostile the Whites if current trends remain in place. One way to increase the opportunity to maintain white progeny is to move your family to white states to ensure your children and grandchildren marry other whites. In the year 2100 when only 20% of the United States in White , Maine will remain mostly white, since non-whites will not tolerate the cold winters. Whites can thrive in Maine but will be persecuted in most other states as non-whites gain full control of our legislatures, police, and armed forces.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  42. But NH and ME have winter. They get below 70 degrees for months. They get that white stuff called snow that I haven’t seen in 16 years.

    I don’t know …

    It’s winter here too. It’s down to 80 degrees and sometimes even lower to where the A/C stops on its own. That’s a lot to give up.

  43. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heymrguda

    Separation does not need to be Overt: maybe Flying Below the Radar might be more effective and practical? Let’s start exploring Solutions, but first it would be helpful if we could agree on a simplified problem/solution.

    So let’s keep it Simple…
    The Problem is: CENTRALIZED-CONTROL
    (Hyper-Federalism, Central-Banks, NWO-Globalism…)

    The Solution is: LOCALIZED-CONTROL
    (examples: Ancient Greek City-States, Amish, Mennonites…)

    The KEY is to stay BELOW THE RADAR: the Central-Banking Cabal (aka: government) will go after you, if you are a threat to their Cabal/Mafia Government/Banking Power-Structure.

    SOLUTIONS:
    1) Think LOCAL not global (local supply-chains, local security, local farms..)
    2) Strengthen Local Conservative COUNTIES and STATES (County-Sherifs, local-politics…)
    3) Non-Cooperation with Liberal/Globalist/Centralist areas, businesses, policies…
    4) Build “Populist Local Conservative” Political-Movements
    5) Establish Conservative Internet Servers/Platforms, MSMedia Platforms, Periodicals…
    6) No bank-debt (local credit-unions, local currencies, barter/trade/cooperate…)
    7) Here is an excellent Video on the subject: “Asha Logos A Call For New Revolutionaries”

  44. @Travis

    In both States Biden won 53% of the votes

    No comment.

  45. @Travis

    The biggest problem with the US is the rapidly changing demographics…

    Thank goodness Trump built the 80-foot tall border wall (paid for by Mexico) and fixed immigration, ending the invasion. Can’t wait to vote for him in ’24!

  46. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Heymrguda

    Everybody says separation is impossible. What is the solution then. It was said the partition of India and Pakistan was impossible but it happened in 1947. It’s at least some goal to work toward.

    You do realise that the partition of India and Pakistan ended in a bloodbath? And several subsequent wars.

    The Partition of India (which cost possibly as many as two million lives) is an example of peaceful separation not working.

  47. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon99

    Is separation really feasible?

    Obviously the answer is no.

    Even if achieved would the newly formed state not be the pariah of the world, a la apartheid South Africa? How would it survive sanctions and other forms of “pressure” to bring it to heel?

    It would not survive. It would be mercilessly crushed.

    Separation is just the latest right-wing cope. It’s pure fantasy. Wishful thinking.

  48. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    The people who actually do productive work…those deplorables of flyover country, could cut off their power, water, food and, products from outside.

    When you’re talking about the Deplorables you’re talking about a defeated leaderless rabble. You’re fantasising that they’re some kind of organised revolutionary army.

    It’s just more cope.

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