Criminals housing Criminals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_Cash

There’s discipline & then there’s brutality, usually for its own sake. I’m all for discipline, not so much the brutality.
Incidentally, John how does NY do on the old “exploitation” front? You know, a day’s work for $1.20 or exorbitant fees to use a phone, buy tooth paste etc. Prison labour is like immigration — it intentionally suppresses wages & creates unemployment & makes the ruthless rich even richer.

My wife has two cousins who were Prison Officers in England. They retired early – their prison had become too violent. In what ways did the prisoners they supervised in their mid-fifties differ from those they supervised earlier in life? I suspect that this is not an admissible question.

Anyway, the world would be a better place if people paid more attention to Rudyard Kipling and George Orwell.

Good piece. Given law enforcement’s New Woke Priorities it’s impossible (and unwise) for dissident Whites in 2021 to trust them – they’re there to run interference for Antifa and the Rainbow Army and jail White resistance.

But America’s criminal problems are still massive because of its Black and Brown population. As usual Whites get the worst a situation has to offer – cops diverted from policing criminals into policing Whites and feral coloreds-of-person weaponized and unchained.

It’s a “give them an inch, they take a mile”

The chinese were smart – putting the beat down the instant the plebs started to behave like ingrates

The best way for nearly everything however is to force people into a circular firing squad. From prisons, to governments – arrange the system in such a way that every element is threatened by someone’s misbehavior or corruption – effectively making the system perpetuate itself forever.

My wife has two cousins who were Prison Officers in England. They retired early – their prison had become too violent. In what ways did the prisoners they supervised in their mid-fifties differ from those they supervised earlier in life? I suspect that this is not an admissible question

As one Unz commenter put it, “evolution left behinds”.

The less and “looser” that blacks, especially the most brutal, vicious, and sadistic, are controlled and “disciplined,” the more freedoms and rights they enjoy in our hellish racially-integrated prisons and jails, the more freedom they have to terrorize, brutalize, assault, rape, gang-rape, and murder whites, including many and ever more whites who don’t belong in prison or jail but are enslaved for political and ideological reasons -many of whom are also the victims of black guards, e.g. the Jan-6 “terrorists” and “insurrectionists.”

Forced racial integration in prisons and jails is “cruel and unusual punishment,” for whites, not only in the sense of being cruel but also totally unnecessary -and preventable by segregation. The persecution and brutalization of whites in jails and prisons will become increasingly hellish in the future as only the most brutal and violent blacks and “browns” are incarcerated and increasing numbers of whites who don’t belong in prisons and jails will be incarcerated for politiccal and ideological reasons. And they’ll also be more and more “at the mercy” of black and “brown” guards who hate whites.

Yet again Derbyshire shows the failure of open borders. Rootless, wandering, cosmopolitan Englishmen with Yellow Fever should stay in Asia.

Try reading this:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241683433_Missed_opportunities_Learning_from_the_mistakes_at_Attica

So social reformers of the 1960s had been showing the same kind indulgence towards prison inmates as we are showing today towards criminals and rioters; and the same stern harshness towards corrections officers, as we today are showing towards police.

Kind indulgence, you mean like letting them get mail in a timely manner? That was a major complaint of the prisoners. You mean like feeding them meals that actually met the Federal Minimum Nutrition guidelines?

Stern harshness towards police? You mean like actually holding them accountable for their actions?
Requiring that they use de-escalation instead of demanding unthinking obedience to their smallest whim? Reminding them that they are the servants of the citizens, not our masters?

Maybe China would be the best place for you Derb, you have no clue what it means to be an American.

Agreed. But then, there are Americans like the Founders, and then there are “Americans” like the current crop of NPC’s and Derbs.

Somewhere along the line I heard two things about prison, maybe from the same guy, who I don’t remember anyway, but the wisdom of these two things has stuck with me, and made the “lock ’em up and let ’em rape each other” attitude of “conservatives” abhorrent to me.

First, in a democracy, the people, through our representatives, are supposed to determine the punishment for each crime via legislation. Even apart from anything in the Constitution about “cruel and unusual”, you will note that no crime in the US carries a penalty such as “to be raped daily for the next 20 years” or “to be starved” or “to work for $1 a day” etc.

Second, if you think “being locked up in nice comfy cell” isn’t punishment enough, go home, unlock your door, go inside, close it, lock it, and then imagine not being allow to unlock it again for 20 years.

Of course, the Derb readers are getting a good dose of that now, aren’t they? Maybe Covid is karmic retribution for all those decades of laughing about “pound ’em in the ass prison”.

The New Mexico prison riot in 1980 was probably worse than Attica, in terms of sheer savagery. Inmates hunted down protective custody “snitches” and castrated them or applied blow torches to their eyes; I don’t recall anything comparable at Attica, where most of the casualties came from police bullets. The NM riot was led by Chicanos btw, not blacks.

Then there are Brazilian prison riots, which are on yet another order of magnitude.

And yet, the truth is prisons are pretty safe. Whenever I read stories about how dangerous our prisons are, I remind myself that pudgy autist Mark David Chapman is still alive in a New York prison, and has been for 40 years. How dangerous can they be?

Doubtlessly, it would make sense to offer to “buy out” young black men in prison and send them to Africa.

Even apart from anything in the Constitution about “cruel and unusual”, you will note that no crime in the US carries a penalty such as […] “to work for $1 a day” etc.

How about for $0 a day? That’s direct from the supposed US constitution.

Get rid of prosecuting malum prohibitum ‘crimes’ (which is of course mostly the drug war) and over 80% of these ‘events’ would never happen.
R.C.

13th Amendment allows for slavery for a convicted criminal.

You write as if most or nearly all inmates of all races were raped and gang-raped in prisons and the housing units of jails, as if rapes and gang-rapes of inmates had little or nothing to do with race. The sadism aand brutality and degradation of rape and gang-rape in many if not most prisons and housing units of jails is largely that of white inmates being raped and gang-raped by white-hating blacks. And, in some prisons and jails, such as those in Texas and California, white inmates also being gang-raped by Mestizos and pure Amerindians, overwhelmingly legal and illegal aliens from Mesixo and Central America.

This “problem” could be solved, this horror and terror could and should be eradicated, by racial segregation. But that would be “racist” and “discrimnatory,” a return to “Jim Crow.” even if it only applied to prisons and jails.

The sacred ideal of racial “equality”- not so miuh an equality of rights,” since blacks have superior rights and benefit from “affirmative action” and systemic discrinmation against whites, but an equality of results and conditions, including forced racial integration in prisons and jails- supercedes the need to protect white inmates from being harassed, reviled, assaulted, brutalized, terrorized, raped and gang-raped, and murdered by white-hating black criminals.

Yes, it doesn’t pay to get all happy-clappy about civilization. Civilization is NOT the (((entertainment industry))) or (((multi-culti))) or (((globoHomo))) which is all made up of immoral, deviant parasites feeding off the deep river of production and wealth-creation. ALL civilizations are based on organized force. As much as is necessary to preserve the people and their civilization. Whites have forgotten this fundamental fact. They are about to remember it good and hard.

The most peaceful prisons are those where the prisoners are working constantly at hard labor, simply because they’re too hard at the end of the day to do anything but go to bed. Constant breaking of rocks, digging holes and filling them in, transferring piles of sand from one area of another suit the weak African brain. Most white men can be put to doing useful things, such as engaging in animal husbandry, farming and making things by hand. It comes down to the saying, The devil finds work for idle hands. Effeminate liberals got rid of labor in prisons and the results were prison riots and many deaths.

You are officially out of your mind. You actually swallow the propaganda that the Attica riots were over mail? You’ve got to be kidding me. Criminals are violent and malicious by nature. They will rob, assault, murder at will unless treated with an iron fist. You liberals are the main cause of America’s problems. Prisoners must be treated harshly to discourage them from ever committing crime again. But I guess you’re okay with rapists, child diddlers and murderers “getting their mail on time”. Sickening.

The state of Kentucky uses prisoners to maintain the Kentucky Horse Park just outside of Lexington. They do all the mowing, trash collection and maintenance like mending fences and fixing barns. I’ve had the opportunity to speak with some of them and they all acutally enjoyed the work, saying it was a chance to get out into the fresh air and actually do something during the day. It also gave them reason to be on good behavior, because it allowed them to be on work release.

I have also worked alongside convict fire crews on wildfires in Oregon and California, most of them said the same thing. They were able to get outside, earn some money (I think they were getting $1.20 an hour), and took the work seriously, it was a big deal for them to be allowed out to work a on a fire. They weren’t shackled in a chain gang and usually only had 2 guards watching over a crew of 20 convicts.

I don’t mind a child rapist, or any rapist suffering in prison. If you think murderers, rapists, muggers, child molesters, etc. shouldn’t suffer in prison, your as bad as Dukakis and his Willie Horton release. Cucks like you who want criminals to live comfortably are more sickening than those who kneel at the altar of “social justice”. How horrible, to be locked in your room. How soft are you?

I’m for humane conditions in any prison, but glorifying what those inmates did is a sign of people who are blind to the fact that there are really bad people in the world, and some of them end up there.

the death penalty would certainly purge the ranks of the most violent.

My uncle was a NY State maximum security prison guard and couldn’t wait to retire after the usual suspects – liberals – saw to it that the guards were shackled and the prisoners were allowed to run the joint.

He told me that when the guards enforced order there were no drugs in the prisons, and inmate-on-inmate crime was almost unheard of, but after the prisoners were granted a wide variety of concessions and the guards were no longer allowed to carry nightsticks or to enforce order, drugs flooded the prison and inmate-on-inmate crime spiralled rapidly out of control.

He also said that a guard who trusted inmates never lasted for long on the job, because inmates are ruthlessly cunning at co-opting guards. The watchword, he said, was never to trust an inmate.

Bear in mind that there is an assortment of prisons. Some are minimum security, some are medium security, and some are maximum security, and inmates are usually incarcerated in those various institutions based chiefly on their criminal records (and on their prior prison records), with the most sociopathic and violent being locked up in maximum security prisons.

Get rid of prosecuting malum prohibitum ‘crimes’ (which is of course mostly the drug war) and over 80% of these ‘events’ would never happen.

This is very correct. Besides which the drug laws in particular have always been political crimes in the States. Reading Chasing the Scream and finding out precisely what machinations led to the Harrison Act of 1914 is highly rewarding. The drug war is essentially a plunder party by design.

Once that huge percentage of inmates are pardoned and freed, an idea once floated by Thomas Sowell deserves a look: He said we had a lot of land in the Pacific Trust Islands we ain’t using, right? Boat the dangerous criminals there and… forget about them. They fend for themselves on a diet of coconuts, or try to get back through shark-infested waters. A few navy gunboats could keep option two from getting out of hand. Sounds good to me.

And they’ll also be more and more “at the mercy” of black and “brown” guards who hate whites.

Exactly right. Just like how some of the white 1/6 protesters were racially taunted and physically abused by negro guards in the D.C. jail.

I agree with your sentiments about work being valuable for prisoners both because work is inherently good, gives them time outdoors and because it gives them some sense of being part of the larger community, but feel compelled to add that what killed work in the prisons was not just liberals, but Labor Unions, who were intolerant of low-wage competition and lobbied hard for its elimination.

Not many are in state pens for dug offenses.