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[Excerpted from the latest Radio Derb, now available exclusively through VDARE.com]

I’m going to open with a confession here: watching those protestors rampaging through the halls of Congress on Wednesday afternoon, there was a part of me that was cheering them on.

I hasten to add that it was only a part. My very strong preference is for orderly government, carried on by dignified procedures long tried at settling differences and producing widely-acceptable conclusions.

I have a secondary preference for seeing those solemnities conducted in grand old buildings like the Capitol, in spacious high-ceilinged rooms with lots of polished wooden paneling, decorated with oil paintings in gilt frames and elegant statues of historical worthies, all hushed but for the voices of soberly-dressed adults uttering grammatical sentences in moderate tones.

Yet still, even with those preferences, I confess that, as I watched those protestors clambering over Nancy Pelosi‘s office furniture, traipsing their muddy boots along the carefully-polished floors, shrieking gleefully, and taking selfies posed in ridiculous costumes by those gilt-frames oil paintings, a part of me was smiling.

The word in my mind: “Turbulence.”

Dedicated followers will recall my September 2012 column for TakiMag titled “Losing Our Turbulence.” I keyed that column off a remark of George Orwell’s back in the 1930s, when England’s coalminers were suffering badly during the Depression. After attending large gatherings of miners, Orwell described them as “sheeplike,” and concluded that “There is no turbulence left in England.”

Orwell’s point: when those solemn, dignified processes of orderly government lead large portions of the population to a place where they are hungry, cold, and idle, and see no hope of improvement in their condition, then some turbulence is called for: some public protesting, some shouting and waving of banners, some breaking of Ruling Class windows.

That comes of course with a sheaf of qualifications. Turbulence can veer off into revolution; and revolutions can turn out badly, including for the revolutionaries. Nobody should wish for that.

Also, turbulence draws in a lot of idiots and clowns. I am as far from being a fan of Chuck Schumer as it is possible to be without drifting into homicidal fantasies; but I would rather look at Schumer’s smug, sneering face than look at a guy standing in Schumer’s senate office wearing a Viking horned hat, face paint, and body tattoos.

Yes: I laughed involuntarily when I first saw the Viking, and perhaps you did too. He’s funny. As Ed West just commented, though,

It’s also the case that frustrated, unfulfilled men are both the funniest and the most dangerous members of society.

[Why funny men are the most dangerous, Unherd.com, January 8, 2021]

And once thoughtful reflection settled in, my sympathies fled to the multitude of ordinary people protesting outside, the great majority of whom were neither funny nor dangerous.

These people—I know some of them personally—were there to protest peacefully, non-destructively, with moderate, measured turbulence, against a Ruling Class which they believe despises them and has no interest in hearing their grievances; and which has, furthermore, recently rigged a national election in order to thwart their political choice.

They have a case. November’s election was an appalling mess. The people who work in the Capitol—the senators and congressmen—have never paid the slightest attention to Badwhite concerns: to the exporting of jobs to cheaper factories abroad, to the mass im-porting of cheap foreign working-class labor through Open Borders and ditto of cheap foreign middle-class labor through extravagant guest-worker programs, to the endless pointless wars maiming and killing young Americans, to the poisoning of our legal and educational systems by crackpot ideologues.

When orderly, rational government leaves half the population disgruntled and mistrustful, it needs work, it needs reform.

If there isn’t reform, there will be revolution. That is an eternal political truth.

  • The collapse of trust.

What kind of reform do we need?

First and most important, we need an electoral system we can trust. We sure can’t trust the system we have.

Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable. If it was rigged against Trump, why did the Republican Party do so well, actually gaining seats in the House, while Trump lagged? It’s the same ballot paper. If vote-fixers were changing Trump votes to Biden votes, why didn’t they change the House votes from R to D?

If you ask this, people say: “Ah, but the vote-fixers are anti-Trump Republicans!” Uh-huh. It’s possible, I guess. I wouldn’t put anything past the treacherous crapweasels of institutional Republicanism. This strikes me as a stretch, though.

Whether the election was stolen or not, the authorities sure made it as easy as they could to have people believe it was stolen. The scattering of lawsuits by Trump’s people were hastily dismissed or ruled against, with minimal coverage in the media.

And this comes after four years of official lies out of our corrupt security agencies—the FBI, the CIA—about our President having colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election from Mrs. Clinton.

Lies, lies, and lies, pumped up and repeated over and over by our Trump-hating media.

Contrariwise, clear and plain evidence of corruption by Joe Biden’s family for their own enrichment, with cash payouts from the Chinese Communist Party, were stifled by the media and high-tech social media. [ Facebook censors The Post to help Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign, NY Post Editorial Board, October 14, 2020 ]

Is it any wonder that millions of Americans—make that tens of millions—believe that the nation’s entire political system is rigged against Trump, with the eager co-operation of the media?

Allow me to quote from James Bowman‘s excellent article in the January issue of The New Criterion, to which I directed readers’ attention here at VDARE.com the other day:

[A] contempt for legal niceties dates back to the Obama administration and its attempts through the national security apparatus to damage the Trump candidacy. It is also all of a piece with the Democrats’ refusal to enforce immigration law or, more recently, laws against riot and affray.

Does anyone doubt that, given such open contempt for the law and their undisguised hatred for the president, the anti-Trumpers would have stolen the election if they could have done so without detection? And does anyone doubt that, with the media and local Democratic-run governments on their side, they could have done so? These are, to me, powerful reasons for regarding Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud worthy, at a minimum, of a thorough investigation.

[Truth or Dare, The New Criterion, January 2021, Links added]

That’s what was needed: not scattershot state-level lawsuits, but a single thorough, open, national investigation, well-covered by the media—as well-covered as all those fairy tales about Russian collusion we were fed for four damn years.

It’s not too late; such a thing could still be done, even with the election conceded and Biden installed. It could be done—but I fear it won’t be.

The other great reform that needs doing: a thorough-going overhaul of our electoral system. It’s a mess: millions of us have little faith it’s delivering accurate results.

Does any of that violate the Constitution, as SCOTUS ruled last month in regard to the Kansas voter-ID law?

Then amend the damn Constitution. It’s not cast in stone: We’ve amended it 27 times.

Election integrity, confidence in election integrity, is vital to a functioning democracy. If citizens don’t trust the election results, our system falls apart. They don’t; tens of millions of us don’t. That needs fixing. Reform—or revolution.

  • A skirmish in the Cold Civil War.

These disturbances illustrate the overall correctness of my working model of early 21st-century American society: the Cold Civil War—two big groups of white people who can’t stand the sight of each other locked in permanent conflict : Goodwhites and Badwhites.

Black Americans are sometimes hired in by Goodwhites as auxiliaries, to mind the horses and dig latrine trenches. But their only participation otherwise is to hang around at the edge of the battlefield, dodging in to rob the corpses as opportunity permits.

This was all plain in the riots of last summer. The point of the spear there, the people burning police stations and pulling down statues, was mainly white—Goodwhite, of course: whites with all the correct opinions, Antifa and BLM supporters.

Then, when disorder rose to the point where you could break into the Target store and loot it with impunity, it was mostly blacks doing that.

This Wednesday it was the turn of Badwhites to make trouble. True to my model, there was hardly a black person in sight. This was a skirmish in the Cold Civil War.

Badwhites took the offensive. Since we Badwhites have no black auxiliaries, and there were no sneakers, bling, or widescreen TVs to be looted, only boring stuff like a Speaker’s podium, this was almost entirely a white affair.

The only black American to play any significant role, so far as I could see, was the Capitol Hill cop who shot and killed protestor Ashli Babbitt.

I should say “may have been,” not “was”: we are not certain of the cop’s race as I go to tape here.

This is our country today: this is the Cold Civil War. It’s not really an even contest, any more than the actual Civil War was.

Back there in 1861, the Union had a five-to-two advantage in manpower over the Confederacy and massive superiority in factories, railroads, ships, draft animals, … all the material stuff you needed to fight a war.

The South had some assets too, to be sure: the biggest one being that they were fighting defense, on their home ground, with interior lines and a largely supportive population.

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What makes today’s Cold Civil War an uneven contest is the total Goodwhite domination of politics, commerce, academia, the media, high tech, the churches … all the commanding heights of our national culture. Badwhite opinions can be heard only in fringe sources like, well, VDARE.com.

The ruling Goodwhite elites, with their stranglehold on high tech, can easily move to shut down even these scattered small outlets. Under a Biden-Harris administration, they probably will.

Demographically, however, the two sides are more evenly balanced than they were 160 years ago. Donald Trump has not performed very well as a Badwhite champion, yet even on his feeble, disappointing record in office the November election returns broke close to 50-50, half the country voting for him.

There are a lot of us Badwhites out here. With a real champion, one worthy of our trust—someone smart, industrious, politically savvy and rhetorically gifted—we Badwhites could keep and hold the White House for two full Presidential terms: perhaps, inspired by that guy’s example, four or six or eight terms.

Goodwhites have been relaxed about the demographics, confident that with continuing mass non-white immigration and intensive indoctrination in schools and colleges, even at the pre-K level, older Badwhites will die off without anyone replacing them at the other end of the demographic chart.

It’s not clear the Goodwhites have really thought this through, though. If, for example, you encourage mass illegal immigration of low-skilled workers in order to demoralize and destroy your native Badwhite working class, the new working class you end up with may turn Badwhite on you in a generation or two, as seems to have happened in November with Hispanics in Texas border counties. [Horowitz: Trump’s amazing performance with Hispanics in Texas’ border counties, The Blaze.com, November 4, 2020]

Something similar may happen further up the socioeconomic scale, where middle-class Americans have been pushed out of well-paying jobs in favor of cheaper guest workers from India and elsewhere.

Here there is a double effect. The laid-off workers might have been co-operative Goodwhites if left to prosper. Dispossessed, however, they will turn Badwhite.

And the guest workers will stay and get citizenship, then marry and have kids, who will themselves want good middle-class jobs at decent wages, but will in turn be displaced by cheaper foreigners … It’s a Ponzi scheme.

Badwhites have other advantages, too, some of which it’s not polite to talk about too much. We are, for example, much better armed than the Goodwhites. Better trained, too: According to my son, who recently served four years in the U.S. Army, the enlisted ranks in combat units are majority Badwhite by a big margin. If push were really to come to shove … well, let’s not think about that.

  • The body count.

Wednesday’s ructions at the Capitol produced five fatalities. Four of them were Badwhite protestors, the fifth a Capitol Police officer who was hurt somehow—there are no details as at Friday evening—while engaging with protestors on Wednesday. He went back to his office, suffered some kind of collapse, was rushed to hospital, and died there Thursday evening.

That officer was Brian Sicknick, right, 42 years old, originally of New Jersey: ex-military and a Trump supporter—a Badwhite, in other words. [U.S. Capitol Police officer dies after engaging rioters, Washington Post, January 8, 2021].

With no disrespect intended to the memory of Officer Sicknick, on my Cold Civil War model this counts as friendly fire.

Of the other four fatalities, one, 50-year-old Benjamin Phillips of Pennsylvania, died of a stroke. Another, 55-year-old Kevin Greeson of Alabama, suffered a heart attack.

The lesson there, I guess, is that demonstrating violently, or even just energetically, is not a thing middle-aged people should do.

A third of the four protestor fatalities, 34-year-old Roseanne Boyland of Georgia, was trampled to death in the early clashes between protestors and cops. I’m not clear of the details here; but given the numbers on both sides, cops and protestors, this may well have been another friendly-fire fatality.

The fifth death: 35-year-old protestor, Ashli Babbitt of San Diego, shot by a Capitol Hill cop. This was at a barricaded interior door leading to a corridor that goes to the House of Representatives chamber. The door had glass panels in it; one of them was all broken away; Ms. Babbitt was trying to climb through that; a cop stationed in the corridor on the other side shot her.

Ms. Babbitt was unarmed, and the stretch of corridor she was trying to get into had cops in it who could have restrained her—as indeed did the stretch of corridor she was trying to leave.

Ms. Babbitt was not pounding anyone’s head on the sidewalk like Trayvon Martin, or trying to flee after scuffling with a cop and stealing the cop’s taser like Walter Scott, or trying to wrestle a cop’s gun away like Michael Brown, or standing next to her drug-dealer boyfriend when he opened fire on police like Breonna Taylor, or giving an extremely lifelike impression of reaching for a gun like Jacob Blake, or persistently resisting arrest while his lungs were full of fluid from a narcotics overdose, like George Floyd, …

Since Ms. Babbitt’s behavior bore no resemblance to any of these, and given the number of cops on the scene, at least some of whom might have been capable of restraining an unarmed, slightly-built woman, it’s hard to think of an excuse for her shooting.

She was white, though. And not just white, but Badwhite. The cop who shot her may have been black. From the video it looks likely, but not certain.

If he was black you will hear no more about this in the mass media. If you try to mention it on social media, you will be canceled.

In fact it’s been wrong of me even to have mentioned it, and proof of my ineradicable racism. I am sorry! Forgive me, Saint Trayvon and Saint George, for I have sinned. Forgive me, Mother Breonna, for my sin, my most grievous sin …

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Still selling race bait, attributing Biden’s corruption to the “Chinese Communist Party,” and saluting his son’s employment by Uncle Sam.

    So this is dissident, Right?

    • Agree: Realist, Bill Jones
    • Troll: dvorak, Achmed E. Newman
  2. Wyatt says:

    Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable. If it was rigged against Trump, why did the Republican Party do so well, actually gaining seats in the House, while Trump lagged? It’s the same ballot paper. If vote-fixers were changing Trump votes to Biden votes, why didn’t they change the House votes from R to D?

    John, you are old enough to figure this out. If they had done that, they would have motivated the Republican party to rally behind Trump in order to preserve their seats and it would have opened the Democrats up to even more lawsuits. The Dems knew that there were enough RINOs to quash the contention made if it was only the President. They know the Republicans will continue the wars for Israel and vote mostly along the same lines, against the American people.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy, lloyd, JimDandy
  3. All of me was cheering them on. When I wasn’t laughing out loud in delight.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  4. dearieme says:

    The policeman who died had allegedly been hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. If that’s true then the murder of the poor soul will be on a video clip somewhere. Has anyone got a link?

  5. unit472 says:

    The vote fraud could only be done in a few democrat controlled cities ( but hey that’s all it took to swing the electoral college count to Biden) They couldn’t pull it off in Republican districts because the votes weren’t being counted by negro women employed by a corrupt municipal government.

    I suspect one reason Pelosi and company are hysterical over the incursion by demonstrators into the Capitol is that some laptops went missing including at least one from Pelosi’s office. Probably the reason Chief of the Capitol Hill Police had to resign. He certainly didn’t quit because one of his men murdered Ashli Babbitt. I am also suspicious that a Capitol Hill cop died or if one did that it had anything to do with the demonstration. That Rudy Giuliani might be, as I type, perusing the contents of Nancy Pelosi’s laptop is a delicious thought

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  6. Derbyshire says:

    ( This is our country today: this is the Cold Civil War. It’s not really an even contest, any more than the actual Civil War was. Back there in 1861, the Union had a five-to-two advantage in manpower over the Confederacy and massive superiority in factories, railroads, ships, draft animals, … all the material stuff you needed to fight a war. The South had some assets too, to be sure: the biggest one being that they were fighting defense, on their home ground, with interior lines and a largely supportive population. ))

    ^^ LOL, Derbyshire forgets that there was another population in the osuth, blacks and they were hardly “supportive” of the white Confederate slave project.

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    (What makes today’s Cold Civil War an uneven contest is the total Goodwhite domination of politics, commerce, academia, the media, high tech, the churches … all the commanding heights of our national culture. Badwhite opinions can be heard only in fringe sources like, well, VDARE.com. )

    Not really. There is plenty of support for the Badwhites. The name of the game though for most of today’s whites is to not be OPENLY racist like many of “Badwhites” but behind the scenes, they support the basic game plan. And “Badwhites” benefit from mollycoddling by law enforcement for the most part. No other crowd would have been allowed to get that close to the Capitol, and even then afterwards, numerous white culprits got to walk away. Public outcry forced authorities to start prosecuting some of them, but many will likely just plea bargain their way down and out.

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    (Goodwhites have been relaxed about the demographics, confident that with continuing mass non-white immigration and intensive indoctrination in schools and colleges, even at the pre-K level, older Badwhites will die off without anyone replacing them at the other end of the demographic chart.)

    Laughable. Let’s get back to the REAL world. Actually “Goodwhites” are very concerned about immigration and race, which is why for the most part, they live in mostly white neighborhood, attend mostly white schools, and work in mostly white workplaces. And among the people who want Badwhites to die off are the white Charles Murray type IQ-Elitists, who mock working class whites for their cognitive deficiencies, even s they praise higher IQ Asians.

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    (It’s not clear the Goodwhites have really thought this through, though. If, for example, you encourage mass illegal immigration of low-skilled workers in order to demoralize and destroy your native Badwhite working class, the new working class you end up with may turn Badwhite on you in a generation or two, as seems to have happened in November with Hispanics in Texas border counties.

    Also laughable. It is not “Goodwhites” who are in the forefront of pushing low-skilled immigration, but the white libertarian IQ-Supremers and white corporate profiteers who love low cost illegal labor in farms, factories, domestic service and construction. And in fact some of the “Badwhites” have PRAISED illegal low wage labor, which they find more profitable and pliable than blacks. By playing the “culluds” against the whites, white elites maintain easy control. Naïve White nationalists have not yet caught on to the game.

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    (Something similar may happen further up the socioeconomic scale, where middle-class Americans have been pushed out of well-paying jobs in favor of cheaper guest workers from India and elsewhere.)

    And this is a development cheered along by white corporate elites and many white libertarians. The higher IQ Asian immigrants are more profitable and pliable that white workers who are bad for business, due to their demands for a decent wage, health care and so on.. Naïve white nationalists cannot see who is controlling the game. They rush knee jerk to the racial battlelines, which white corporate fixers use to distract attention from the real game.

    • Troll: Richard B
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    , @Richard B
  7. Considering the number of firearms possessed (legally and illegally) by non-governmental persons in these United States, I’m always shocked by how little fatal violence actually occurs at demonstrations. The death toll from the date of George Floyd’s ascension to today is surprisingly low.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  8. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    A large percentage of the white population have been brainwashed through the education system and the monopoly media, becoming the ‘goodwhites’. That’s the virtue signaling zombie army who’ll march like lemmings to the sea. They’ll attack their fellow Americans out of stirred up hatred for the deplorables. This country has become deeply divided and coexistence within has become increasingly tenuous. A dictatorship is being put together, step by step, with means of information control and spying beyond anything the much maligned GDR ever had. Archeologists puzzle over lost civilizations of the past, wondering why a particular civilization suddenly vanished without any traces of a natural disaster. Possibly they reached a point where they just fell upon one another and destroyed themselves. The US is headed down that path, no longer a nation but a landmass filled with incompatible people.

    • Replies: @anonymous11qr
  9. @anonymous

    Derbyshire says:
    (Here there is a double effect. The laid-off workers might have been co-operative Goodwhites if left to prosper. Dispossessed, however, they will turn Badwhite.)

    And who has been in the forefront of those layoffs? Not Blacks. Not Hispanics. It has been white libertarian IQ-Elitists and white corporate profiteers who could care less about the white working man.

    I
    (And the guest workers will stay and get citizenship, then marry and have kids, who will themselves want good middle-class jobs at decent wages, but will in turn be displaced by cheaper foreigners … It’s a Ponzi scheme.)

    Yes, the Ponzi scheme run by white libertarian IQ-Elitists and corporate profiteers, who can screen their movements by throwing out diversionary race-bait theater.

    I

    (Badwhites have other advantages, too, some of which it’s not polite to talk about too much. We are, for example, much better armed than the Goodwhites. Better trained, too: According to my son, who recently served four years in the U.S. Army, the enlisted ranks in combat units are majority Badwhite by a big margin. If push were really to come to shove … well, let’s not think about that. )

    Sure the Badwhites may be better armed but all their gun-totin is les than it seems because white law enforcement can stifle them at any time if they choose. And if push were to come to shove, black self-defense forces could easily hold their own in big swathes of urban terrain and major cities. What hinders the black forces now is how some (didn’t say all) white law enforcement mollycoddles the “Badwhites” but deploys massive force to crush even tiny manifestations of black self-defense, or even basic protest, where heavy weaponry and armored vehicles are routinely deployed.

    “Badwhites” are beneficiaries of some white law enforcement indulgence and kid glove handling, behind which they hide, talking big. “Badwhites” are mollycoddled, and would not talk so tough if they had to face the large repressive apparatus blacks face every day

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    (The fifth death: 35-year-old protestor, Ashli Babbitt of San Diego, shot by a Capitol Hill cop. This was at a barricaded interior door leading to a corridor that goes to the House of Representatives chamber. The door had glass panels in it; one of them was all broken away; Ms. Babbitt was trying to climb through that; a cop stationed in the corridor on the other side shot her.)

    Too bad she dies, but speaking of being unarmed, she was trying to break into the seat of the US government, as part of a violent mob, and refused several lawful orders to get back. Black folk get killed for much less, and might well say oh yeah- “welcome to the club.”

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    (Ms. Babbitt was not pounding anyone’s head on the sidewalk like Trayvon Martin, or trying to flee after scuffling with a cop and stealing the cop’s taser like Walter Scott, or trying to wrestle a cop’s gun away like Michael Brown, or standing next to her drug-dealer boyfriend when he opened fire on police like Breonna Taylor, or giving an extremely lifelike impression of reaching for a gun like Jacob Blake, or persistently resisting arrest while his lungs were full of fluid from a narcotics overdose, like George Floyd, … )

    Babbitt was part of a violent mob, breaking down and destroying facilities at the seat of government, and refused to heed lawful orders to get back. Trayvon Martin was minding his own business on the street, and Breonna Taylor;’s boyfriend was likewise peacefully minding his own business before the bogus “no-knock” invasion (which is why they didn’t press charges on him). Floyd had passed bad checks but he was not part of any violent mob, but again peacefully going about his business of passing bad checks. So Derb’s comparison falls flat.

    • Troll: Richard B
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    , @fnn
    , @Patrick McNally
  10. A-Bax says:

    “Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable. If it was rigged against Trump, why did the Republican Party do so well, actually gaining seats in the House, while Trump lagged? It’s the same ballot paper. If vote-fixers were changing Trump votes to Biden votes, why didn’t they change the House votes from R to D?”

    That the Republican Party did well, i.e., gaining House seats, while Trump “lost” suggests that it WAS rigged. Premiere Biden had no coatails, whereas Trump did have them. the explanation for it is that when the Dominion vote rigging algorithm failed to account for the massive in-person voting for Trump, our domestic enemies had to come up with votes for Biden, and fast. So, the count was paused, overseers kicked out, and the pallets of ballots were brought in.

    This was their backup plan, and they weren’t prepared for the sheer number of fake Biden votes they had to manufacture, many of them on the fly. (That is, after four years they STILL underestimated Trump’s support and the degree to which the majority of the country hates them). So, they had to get fake ballots marked with Biden in the machine fast – before sun-up. No time to worry about downballot races. There are an unprecedented number of ballot tabulated for Biden and no one else.

    But don’t worry. In 2022 our enemies will not make this mistake again. Elections as we knew them are over. In 11 days, we will be under an occupying power. The Federal Government will lack legitimacy. We are all Men without a Country now.

    • Replies: @anonymousqrx12
  11. If vote-fixers were changing Trump votes to Biden votes, why didn’t they change the House votes from R to D?

    You misunderstand how much of the fraud was apparently accomplished. The target was Trump. Fraudulent votes for Biden were the bullets. Completely filling out ballots in this situation is a waste of time and energy. A ballot with only a vote for Biden is as valid as a ballot with a vote for every listed position. There’s no need to x any other boxes. The Democrat operatives who corrupt elections with phony ballots are fully aware of this since they’ve been doing it for well over a century. The technology may change but not the underlying strategy.

    The fact that Trump’s “coat tails” enabled other Republican candidates to do much better than expected while the Presidential vote suggested that those “coat tails” didn’t exist is just further evidence of fraud. There’s never been a similar situation in US history.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  12. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    “Can’t stand the sight of each other”

    The photo is of the Northern Ireland “peace line.” Society is segregated, and now they don’t have to stand the sight of each other, now there is peace. The difference compared to the U.S. is that on both sides of the wall live live proficient, decent, sane electricians.

  13. KenH says:

    Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable.

    The Jewish controlled establishment was not simply going to cross their fingers and hope for a presidential victory in 2020. Democrat governors, Secretaries of State, and in some cases, county clerks, all made changes to state election laws in the months to year leading up to the 2020 election. This was mostly to expand mail in voting and pad the voter rolls in favor of Democrats. In any case it is illegal and unconstitutional since only state legislatures have the right to amend state election laws.

    On top of that signature verification was on average ten times lower than in previous elections. Since Democrat voters were much more likely to vote by mail this gave them lots of additional votes that would have been invalidated based on the standards of previous elections.

    There were three armed officers standing near/behind Ashli Babbitt when she attempted to jump through the broken window. They obviously did not see her as a threat and the presumably black officer who shot her could have easily subdued her since she wasn’t very big nor was she armed. So based on the standards of the radical left and black supremacists this was cold blooded murder.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @KenH
  14. Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable.

    Is it any less probable than Creepy Joe getting more votes than any other US Presidential candidate to date?

    The 158.5m voter turnout for 2020 was circa 21.4m more than 2016’s total turnout. I suppose the polarising effect of Trump could have added that many more voters … but really?

    • Replies: @unit472
  15. @A-Bax

    We are all Men without a Country now.? Puhleeze with the drama. Its just another election loss. No need to get overwrought. Trump lost fair and square, when a more disciplined campaign could have brought about victory. And you say:

    ” Elections as we knew them are over. In 11 days, we will be under an occupying power. The Federal Government will lack legitimacy.”

    All this “apocalypse” because Trump lost? Sheesh. In 4 years, The Don could come roaring back, or a more disciplined Mike Pence make the running. Get a grip.

    • Agree: Farenheit
    • Replies: @A-Bax
  16. It’s a good column.

  17. A-Bax says:
    @anonymousqrx12

    The naïveté is strong in this one.

    • Agree: Tony Hall
    • Replies: @Richard B
  18. JimB says:

    Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable. If it was rigged against Trump, why did the Republican Party do so well, actually gaining seats in the House, while Trump lagged?

    I heard reports that tens of thousands of ballots dumped after hours only had a vote for Biden on them. Perhaps that’s the answer to your question. Black election workers in black majority areas were motivated to cheat for Biden and Harris by promises for fat reparations checks. In many urban counties the ballots received added up to more than 100% of the registered voters.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  19. Our congressional leadership’s competence in running the government is directly reflected in their competence at overseeing the security of themselves and the US capitol. Usually, I am never amazed at their collective governance incompetence-but for their collective ability to grift the public wealth into their own pockets. Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnel along with virtually every one of them is a national disgrace and embarrassment.

    I’ll take the Furry Horned Tatted King any day over these poison Ivy League clowns.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  20. TTSSYF says:
    @Greta Handel

    Who can make sense of what you write? Just say what you want to say, without all the faux intellectualism.

  21. unit472 says:
    @The Alarmist

    The problem for the Democrats was, it didn’t matter how many votes they garnered in California, New York, Washington etc. They needed votes in specific states to win the Electoral College and that’s where they manufactured them. Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee. Full of negro females working for corrupt municipal governments who would count the ballots.Lots of Dindu males to guard the polling places as the votes were counted. Apes doing what the Alpha gorilla mayor tells them to do.

  22. lloyd says: • Website

    As a Maori woman said to me at my work place. “I don’t like the man but he won.” That was such a simple but wise truth. Until I told her, she didn’t know the election was rigged. Like most people, I work and live in a multi cultural environment, but this is an infringement of natural justice too big to swallow. If Biden is inaugurated, as gossip about the election circulates, Federal Government in America will become untenable. You would think the Democrats came down in the last shower as they lack both a history sense and basic common sense. In Australia there was similar uproar in 1975, when the Governor General sacked the Labour Government. The masses thought the G G was pure ceremony but he turned out to be a dingo. Order was restored by the GG returning the baby. There was an immediate new election which confirmed the G G’s action. I suppose an equivalent would be an honest re-election in the disputed States supervised by the military. Then like in Australia, memory would fade. In Australia now the issue is almost a joke. If Trump won again, it would be time for less derangement by American leaders.

  23. ia says:
    @anonymous11qr

    Why are people so terrified of being called racist or sexist? Why are so many people pretending to be POC? The SPLC had training sessions in Obama’s Justice department. Feminist @metoo, no-fault divorce, female sexual promiscuity are dominant and take down decent men. Don’t forget affirmative action quotas, now coming to NASDAQ-traded companies. Yes, there is an element of class warfare but the real fear is racial or sexual heresy. Surely you understand this.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  24. kikz says:

    um. blacks? blm? ya missed this guy.. he saw Ashli die…

    In August John Sullivan threatened to “rip President Trump from the White House” during violence in Washington DC. Sullivan was flown to DC for the protests.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/far-left-activist-john-sullivan-utah-arrested-storming-us-capitol-released-without-charges-organized-antifa-event-area-time-stop-steal-rally/

  25. @Greta Handel

    Still selling race bait, attributing Biden’s corruption to the “Chinese Communist Party,” and saluting his son’s employment by Uncle Sam.

    The Biden syndicate family’s corruption predated Nixon’s visit. It just happened to attract the Chinese. They bumped into each other in the mud pit.

  26. cortesar says:

    “I hasten to add that it was only a part. My very strong preference is for orderly government, carried on by dignified procedures long tried at settling differences and producing widely-acceptable conclusions.”

    I have good news for you You will have your “dignified procedures” from now on (to eternity )

    ‘I have a secondary preference for seeing those solemnities conducted in grand old buildings like the Capitol, in spacious high-ceilinged rooms with lots of polished wooden paneling, decorated with oil paintings in gilt frames and elegant statues of historical worthies, all hushed but for the voices of soberly-dressed adults uttering grammatical sentences in moderate tones.’

    However with this one I cannot help you car this must have been your dream possibly from early childhood.
    lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  27. Miro23 says:

    I’m going to open with a confession here: watching those protestors rampaging through the halls of Congress on Wednesday afternoon, there was a part of me that was cheering them on.

    I hasten to add that it was only a part. My very strong preference is for orderly government, carried on by dignified procedures long tried at settling differences and producing widely-acceptable conclusions.

    My feeling exactly – Agree with Derb.

    Lacking dignified procedures long tried at settling differences and producing widely-acceptable conclusions the shooting starts and Cold Civil Wars morph into Hot Civil Wars. Once the cycle gets going, there’s no realistic way back until every vestige of opposition is eliminated (or an outside power intervenes). For example Spain 1936, Balkans 1992, Rwanda 1994.

    The US elite haven’t thought this through – or if they have, they’re badly miscalculating. IMO they’re so used to holding political, financial and media power that it’s produced complacency and arrogance.

    Also, where’s the outside power ready to intervene?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  28. As long as conservatives ignore Trump’s corruption and ties to Epstein, Saudi oligarchs and Russian organized crime, spanning decades, they will get no traction against Biden on the corruption angle. Trump supporters accusing Biden of corruption reminds me of Bill Clinton Democrats crying about #metoo.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  29. El Dato says:
    @anonymous11qr

    Too bad she dies, but speaking of being unarmed, she was trying to break into the seat of the US government, as part of a violent mob, and refused several lawful orders to get back. Black folk get killed for much less, and might well say oh yeah- “welcome to the club.”

    Oh that downtrodden black people meme again.

    That she got killed by a black officer is just the icing on top I suppose.

  30. “ when those solemn, dignified processes of orderly government lead large portions of the population to a place where they are hungry, cold, and idle, and see no hope of improvement in their condition, then some turbulence is called for”

    The problem in this case is that most of the Capital rioters were comfortably middle class or better. These are people with the disposable income to fly to DC on a little holiday. The rioters included state congressmen, veterans (with pensions), and instagram stars. People whose stock portfolios have probably done very well during the COVID “crisis”. Not a lot of coal miners or desperate farmers. The number of “protestors” trying to create memes and boost their conservative social media presence from the turbulence is perhaps the most disturbing element of this riot. These are not serious people for the most part, which has been Trump’s Achilles heel all along.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  31. @lloyd

    The election wasn’t rigged, wake the fuck up. Talk about sheeple…

  32. “….Also, where’s the outside power ready to intervene?”

    I think the local leadership of the Western ports from Vancouver to Los Angeles have pretty much signaled an invitation to the Chinese that their ports are open for occupation. American totalitarianism is, “not the real thing, as the Coke jingle goes.

    A coast of submissives:

    “I very much enjoy obeying orders I am given by my Dominant and not having to worry about the world around me. I am also a Service Submissive. In other words, I love to do things to make another’s life easier; whether that be doing laundry, setting the table, or just grabbing them a drink. It gives me a great sense of satisfaction being of service.” -Barbera Handel from the Thought Cat.

  33. @Miro23

    I agree, Miro. Lots of legitimacy and belief in the system has been lost. As far as your 3 possible examples, I’d say events might look more like the Spanish Civil War than the other 2 by far.

    The Balkans war was a split along religious lines with the Moslems being helped by US air power (why, I’ll never know, just pure giddiness from being the sole superpower for 7 years already?) after the lid was taken off with the removal of hard-core Communist control. The Rwanda civil war was a black tribal thing, literally tribal. Had one side been against armed White Men, the other wouldn’t have gotten far at all.

    I’ve read only a little on the Spanish Civil War, but I know those “Republicans” were Communists basically, using another name, as they are wont to do (antifa? Really?). The other side were the Nationalists, basically hard-core Conservatives. Though the latter were allied to some degree with the Catholic church, it wasn’t a religious divide as in southern Ireland/6 north counties or the Balkans war. It was more like normal religious people vs. atheist radical Commies. Sound familiar? Yeah, I may get another book or two.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  34. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:

    I just wish that that guy who had broken into Nancy Pelosi’s office had taken a very big and very odiferous crap right there, right in the middle of her desk, and afterward wiped himself all over her soft furnishings and velvet curtains. And I wish photographs were taken of him in the act, so to speak, and spread virally through the ‘net.

    This is, or so I am led to believe, an ancient Irish insult, which is still followed by certain of the lower classes based in the UK.

  35. If you are not allowed to protest at the National Whorehouse, where are you supposed to do it?

  36. George says:

    “Was this election stolen? I don’t know, but I personally don’t think it probable. ”

    Because there is no audit trail, as required of the proles that work as cashiers, there is no way to determine if the election was stolen. But the intentional lack of an audit trail is an indication of the intention to commit fraud.

    One possibility is that ballots without votes for president were altered. So a ballot with the presidential line left empty had ovals filed in. For example this single accusation:

    Lehigh election judge facing criminal ballot tampering charges decides to resign after all
    https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-nws-allentown-lehigh-election-judge-prelim-hearing-20201028-4qh5wdyr4narhf7psbqahyk76i-story.html

    Then there is the stuff about Dominion voting and the mysterious app that determined Mayor Pete won the Iowa caucus. I have no idea myself, but none of the principles involved are offering an audit trail either.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  37. Heymrguda says:

    All this reminds me of a bumper sticker displayed on left wing student cars during the early 70s: “Question Authority.” It always irritated me. The question was, of course, whose authority? Needless to say it was the “authority” not approved by the left.

  38. @JimB

    In many urban counties the ballots received added up to more than 100% of the registered voters

    Yet Trump outperformed expectations in urban counties. He actually improved his share of minority votes. What an odd conspiracy.

    The reality is very simple, Trump lost key constituencies among white suburban voters in swing states. These voters are mostly women, mostly dislike Trump on principle but also blame him for COVID and the rioting. Trump lost because he ran a bad campaign relying too much on his base and he is historically unpopular with 45% of the electorate. Trump supporters continue to ignore the many ways Trump alienated traditional Republicans and undermined himself. His rallies for example – those make Trump feel good, energize his hard core base, and make college educated Republican bankers and doctors think “what a fucking creep”.

    It ain’t that complicated.

    Notice that none of the Republican Congressmen who want the election “audited” show any interest in auditing their own results, even when they were on the same ballot as DJT. Everyone involved knows the election was about as fair/unfair as any previous election. No congressman on either side of the aisle has any interest in a real audit, it is all for show and for fund raising. If you really believe Trump won the election, keep sending him money, he will be glad to have it.

    • Replies: @unit472
    , @JimB
  39. Miro23 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A Civil war would be a messy business. For what it’s worth, the current elite used Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”* to lever themselves into power – but it’s not exclusive to them – and it’s 100% saying to play dirty.

    For example, Alinsky’s rules on “Means and Ends”:

    1) One’s concerns for the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue (IOW If you really want to win -lie and cheat)

    2) The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent of the political position of those sitting in judgment (OIW there are no ethical standards. Ethics are what you say they are.)

    3) In war, the end justifies almost any means.

    4) Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not any other chronological vantage point.

    5) Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa. (Ethics is a tool in the toolkit to be used or discarded as required)

    6) The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in the ethical evaluation of means. (IOW If it really matters, forget the ethics)

    7) Generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics. (If you win, you decide what was ethical).

    8) The morality of a means depends on whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory. (IOW the closer to victory the more it pays to have an ethical stance)

    9) Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical. (IOW be unethical because they’ll accuse you of it anyway).

    10) You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments. (Deception)

    11) Goals must be phrased in general terms like “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”, “Of the Common Welfare, “Pursuit of Happiness” or “Bread and Peace”. (Deception).

    The book basically says to undermine the system if you don’t have power (1970’s campus radicals) but when you gain power, hunt down so called “terrorists” (2021).

    * “Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals” Saul D. Alinsky. A short book recommended to read.

  40. “Ah, but the vote-fixers are anti-Trump Republicans!” Exactly right. https://noliesradio.org/archives/179111

  41. unit472 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    OK which suburban counties did Trump ‘lose votes’ in in Pennsylvania, Michigan Wisconso and Georgia and how many compared to 2016? If you don’t know the answer then I suspect you are taking dictation from the MSM shills.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  42. @George

    There is undoubted fraud with undeniable evidence.

    The Constitution grants the power to select electors solely to the legislatures of the States.

    The Pennsylvanian Secretary of State interfered with the Electoral procedures determined by the Legislature and then claimed it was constitutionally valid.
    That is fraud.

  43. anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Badwhites took the offensive. Since we Badwhites have no black auxiliaries, and there were no sneakers, bling, or widescreen TVs to be looted, only boring stuff like a Speaker’s podium, this was almost entirely a white affair.

    Bad whites beating the cop like an animal.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErWiHhuW4AAIXjR?format=jpg

  44. anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    More bad whites

  45. @Peter Akuleyev

    Our friends and acquaintances who attended the DC protest last week were not wealthy, with one exception, and none of them are trying to create “memes.” Some wouldn’t know what memes are.

    More than half were retired people who worked their asses off for decades and don’t need to apologize to you or any other over-generalizing critic for building retirement investments.

    And a couple are retired people who are barely getting by. Some had the resources for nice hotels, but some of them drove in a group, brought coolers of food, and shared cheap hotel rooms — there’s no need to pay for airfare to DC from the populous nearby States, like NJ where I am right now.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  46. Patricus says:

    If the building was burned down, and all representatives with it, America would be a better country.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  47. JimB says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Thanks for the can of spag.

  48. fnn says:
    @anonymous11qr

    Floyd had passed bad checks but he was not part of any violent mob, but again peacefully going about his business of passing bad checks. So Derb’s comparison falls flat.

    She was participating in a political protest, a category of human activity that was considered holy (indeed more holy than religious services) just last summer. None of the many thousands of Antifa/BLM protesters/rioters was killed by the police.

  49. @Horam Louf

    Viking man could be substitute Cowardly Lion

    Here’s Tin Man

    Any Scarecrows in the crowd?

    Does anyone know if Pelosi was wearing red shoes on Jan 6?

    In run up to Iraq war, when millions protested across the world, was it rehearsal for Halloween or staid?

  50. @unit472

    I am taking dictation from Steve Sailer on that point. He must be Deep State as well.

  51. @RadicalCenter

    Were your friends the ones rioting? Obviously there is a distinction between “showing up at a rally to support the President” and trashing the Capitol. At least judging from the list of people publicly arrested, the worst of the rioters were people of at least middle class means, although at least one (Angeli) seems to live with his parents.

  52. @Peter Akuleyev

    We really do need an “Imbecile” button.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  53. KenH says:
    @KenH

    Democrat governors, Secretaries of State, and in some cases, county clerks, all made changes to state election laws in the months to year leading up to the 2020 election.

    This occurred in most of the swing states like WI, MI, PA and GA. Georgia’s spineless Republican Sec of State Raffensberger capitulated to the demands of Stacey Abrams, but it violated state election laws. AZ relaxed their signature verification standards from previous elections like other states.

  54. @anonymous11qr

    Trayvon Martin was a non-resident walking around drugged up late at night in a gated community park. The night watchman George Zimmerman was fully justified in inquiring about who this stranger was in a park where he was not a registered resident. Normal kids are taught by their parents that if you’re visiting them in a gated community where they reside then you have a responsibility to be respectful to the residents and let them know who you are visiting their with if asked. Trayvon Martin had lousy parents who never taught him civilized behavior and so he first ran away in the manner of a fleeing felon and then snuck around and assaulted the night watchman. He ended up getting the justice which he deserved.

  55. the guest workers will stay and get citizenship, then marry and have kids, who will themselves want good middle-class jobs at decent wages, but will in turn be displaced by cheaper foreigners …

    who will be poisonously resented in their turn.
    During the ’84 miners’ strike, my normally politically sceptical and aged father startled me by lengthily and inventively cursing out some random Nottingham miners who were being accosted for their opinions on the Beeb telly news. He hardly drank, didn’t smoke and almost never swore, except the odd mild word of imprecation in Welsh (which doesn’t count if your audience is English, it seems). Methodist-raised. This time he used everything he’d learned in the Forces, in English.

    I’d stumbled on an ancient, implacable and congenital trait of the British working class.
    When I (nervously) asked ‘what the hell was all that about dad?’ he gazed on me with pity and possible contempt.

    “No one likes a scab, son”.
    No further discussion was ever forthcoming.

    I’d guess this iron law was one of the major causes of the Complete Mystery of Why the English Proles went against their generational support for Labour, and backed Brexit.
    “Not racist, just don’t like ’em. Simple as.”

  56. Richard B says:
    @anonymous11qr

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Derbyshire forgets that there was another population in the osuth, blacks and they were hardly “supportive” of the white Confederate slave project.

    How do you know?

    Leaving that question aside, there’s one thing everyone knows, except goodwhites, of course. And that’s the fact that blacks aren’t supportive of goodwhites who speak for them because blacks don’t believe in goodwhites. Only goodwhites do.

    It’s high time you embrace your badwhiteness.

  57. Richard B says:
    @A-Bax

    The naïveté is strong in this one.

    You’re too kind. Calling him naive gives him too much credit. He’s just trolling.

  58. anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    I am not terribly fond of funny men when the issue is serious and that certainly includes this author. First, he has his identities mixed up. The Badwhites are in power in Washington and the Goodwhites are on the doorstep looking in.

    Second, why would anyone care about a social arrangement that is to one’s disadvantage? Only insanity would bring anyone to an alliance that is abusive. There is too much here of deification. Societies should come and go quickly enough when interest is lost. Only Badwhites who deify the power they wish to wield will set much store by society and Goodwhites who see no other choice but to fight.

    The really great failure of this age is technical. It is not yet possible just to get out. The 17th and 18th centuries had the Americas as a pressure release from discontent and oppression. Ships in those two centuries could reach any part of the Earth carrying hundreds of tons of cargo. The equivalent today would be space ships that could reach any part of the solar system similarly laden. We simply don’t have them nor do we have the ancillary technology to exploit and make habitable the destinations. This gives us the cramped mindset of only one Earth, and the ridiculous Green idealism, but also assures there will be no alternative for those who object but to fight.

    The greatest bulwark of tyranny is the inability to just walk or run away. The weaker enemy will always have his back to the wall. The great struggles for democratic government began in the British colonies and subsequently influenced Europe. People unhappy with the Eastern seaboard of America fled to the west. Such migration is a now an untold story in the history of popular escape from economic and political pressure; an escape which is no longer possible.

    Crowded people will always find reasons to fight. This current conflict will not end without one.

  59. Icy Blast says:
    @Greta Handel

    “National Review” mole. Disregard.

  60. @Jack Armstrong

    Most people are not dumb enough to risk a murder charge I guess.

  61. Four long years and NO new war—feel the rush–the excitement building—-

  62. Cato says:
    @Greta Handel

    Once again a troll is the first to respond. I would bet a silicon-based intelligence, probably GPT-3.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  63. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Philip Roth, in his Pulitzer-winning “American Pastoral,” coined the phrase “indigenous American Berserk.” The idea that he presciently explored is that in the American national consciousness, lying just below the surface, are irrationality and violence. At the surface there is a façade of rationality and decorum, but it is at our peril that we ignore what lies just below the surface and is always ready to emerge. Probably most Unz readers are already familiar with this, but if you are not, or wish to refresh your familiarity, here is a link to a lengthy and excellent book review that appeared in the New Republic:
    https://newrepublic.com/article/131774/indigenous-berserk

    • Replies: @anonymous
  64. anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    El Dato says:

    (Oh that downtrodden black people meme again.)

    Has nothing to do with blacks.
    She died as part of a mob attacking law enforcement officers, with members of the mob using tear gas, metal poles, clubs, fire extinguishers etc, and refused lawful orders to withdraw. The mob also injured members of law enforcement. The law officers had a duty to protect members of Congress, at the seat of the central government. Hence, Babbitt’s death was justifiable. Sad that anyone should die, but completely avoidable if she had obeyed lawful orders.
    ( ————————————————-

    fnn says:
    (She was participating in a political protest, a category of human activity that was considered holy (indeed more holy than religious services) just last summer. None of the many thousands of Antifa/BLM protesters/rioters was killed by the police)

    .
    So “political protest” includes invading the seat of government, menancing and attempting to disrupt business of the lawuflly elected congress of the United States, destroying the property of said US goivernment, and attacking and injuring law enfrcement officers, causing the death of some? Wow. That must be the right-wing version of “political protest.” Most deaths of law enforcement officers in this area by the way, have been caused by right-wing extremists.
    https://www.adl.org/media/14107/download

    ( ————————————————–

    Patrick McNally says:
    (Trayvon Martin was a non-resident walking around drugged up late at night in a gated community park. The night watchman George Zimmerman was fully justified in inquiring about who this stranger was in a park where he was not a registered resident. Normal kids are taught by their parents that if you’re visiting them in a gated community where they reside then you have a responsibility to be respectful to the residents and let them know who you are visiting their with if asked. Trayvon Martin had lousy parents who never taught him civilized behavior…)

    .
    Nice try but epic fail, lol. He was minding his own lawful business, and was in fact assaulted by George Zimmerman first, who was not even a law enforcement officer, just a “neighborhood patrol” wannabe, that in fact, ignored a lawful request by the 911 operator to not approach but wait for the lawful authorities. By contrast to the peaceful young man, Babbitt died as part of a vicious mob attacking law enforcement officers, with members of the mob using tear gas, metal poles, clubs, fire extinguishers etc, and refused lawful orders to withdraw. The mob also injured members of law enforcement, one f who died later. The law officers had a duty to protect members of Congress, at the seat of the central government. Hence, Babbitt’s death was justifiable. Sad that anyone should die, but completely avoidable if she had followed the law.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  65. anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @ia

    ia says:

    (Why are people so terrified of being called racist or sexist? Why are so many people pretending to be POC? The SPLC had training sessions in Obama’s Justice department. Feminist @metoo, no-fault divorce, female sexual promiscuity are dominant and take down decent men. Don’t forget affirmative action quotas, now coming to NASDAQ-traded companies. Yes, there is an element of class warfare but the real fear is racial or sexual heresy. Surely you understand this. )

    Sure. A true “race realist” understands that the biggest beneficiaries of AA “quotas” are white, particularly white women who have done quite nicely from them as well as general civil rights laws, and who share the goodies with their white boyfriends and husbands. To divert attention from this, a massive propaganda smokescreen has been built over the decades.
    ( ————————–

    .
    KenH says:
    (There were three armed officers standing near/behind Ashli Babbitt when she attempted to jump through the broken window. They obviously did not see her as a threat and the presumably black officer who shot her could have easily subdued her since she wasn’t very big nor was she armed. )

    .
    Sounds like you suddenly want a double standard, just like the feminists. If a man gets shot, oh, no big deal. But if its a woman, oh gosh.. everyone gets all sensitive and teary.. As an Air Force veteran, Babbitt should have had better sense than joining a violent mob breaking into the seat of the central government, injuring law enforcement officers and trying to disrupt the US Congress. If a similar mob charged an Air Force base, Babbitt would be the among the first to defend her base against the invaders. What’s all this “sensitive Sue” crying just because its a female who dies?

    • Replies: @ia
  66. ia says:
    @anonymous

    You’ve inadvertently brought up an interesting point. I myself have never understood why men are supposed to and, it seems, do, cheer the first woman this or that. The media has been pushing this for half a century. Men are now competing with their women for limited resources, like housing and jobs. It’s no accident that housing became very expensive in the 80s, right about the time large numbers of women were becoming dominant in the work force, and living by themselves.

    A beautiful woman is like desirable real estate; she doesn’t sleep with poor, ugly men. Men, especially white men who like to raise their own children, presumably do this cheering because they are afraid of women – being ugly and poor, I guess – and do it in the hope of ingratiating themselves. LOL. But all they do is look weak and cowardly, which causes women to despise them, which causes men to become incels, which pushes them further into the downward spiral. [shaking head]

    Same thing with blacks, now that I think about it. White men are told they should worry about black people and submit to them because of any number of offenses. The problem is that blacks really don’t like white people (and it certainly isn’t because of something called “racism”) so by constantly caving to their threats and demands white men are despised yet again. Why on earth do white men “care” about people who don’t give a damn about them? An enigma wrapped in a mystery.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  67. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Anon[240] says:
    ( Philip Roth, in his Pulitzer-winning “American Pastoral,” coined the phrase “indigenous American Berserk.” The idea that he presciently explored is that in the American national consciousness, lying just below the surface, are irrationality and violence. At the surface there is a façade of rationality and decorum, but it is at our peril that we ignore what lies just below the surface and is always ready to emerge. Probably most Unz readers are already familiar with this, but if you are not, or wish to refresh your familiarity, here is a link to a lengthy and excellent book review that appeared in the New Republic:
    https://newrepublic.com/article/131774/indigenous-berserk)
    ( ———— ———————————- .
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    .
    Your thoughtful reference is a refreshing change from the tired “sound bite” bait tropes that satisfy most here. An argument certainly can be made along Roth’s lines, and the same “bezerker” rage underneath appears on both the white right and white left throughout US history. Rampaging white beserkers are pretty much a staple of the American landscape in many decades, as are those of other groups, in other eras. The rampaging white mobs that lynched hundreds of innocent Chinese in the 1800s are another example, as are the rampaging, violent white Irish with their frequent riots (needing state militia to be called out numerous times), that made 1960s ghetto riots seem like tea parties. Similar things can be seen during the VIetnam War protests by mostly white lefties in the 1960s. Anyone remember Abby Hoffman and the “days of rage”?

    Once the mob mentality takes hold, ordinarily rational people start to do irrational or extreme things. ML King, NAACP leader Roy Wilkin, even Muslim leader Elijah Muhammed urged calm and constructive engagement in several cities, and even quelled some hotspots during the late 1960s, but were sometimes ignored once the mob got going, and “militants” like the Panthers stirred the pot. The white Irish were urged to restraint and non-violence by their priests, but these leaders too were ignored and devastating riots requiring thousands of state militia to put down, broke out aplenty among the Irish. (Sowell 1981, 1985).

    The review questions Roth for wanting to have it both ways- positive development on one hand, berzerker rampages on the bother. But both patterns are seen across American groups, a universal pattern once mob psychology gets hold of people.

  68. @anonymous

    He was not minding any lawful business. He drugged himself up and was roaming around in a gated community park where as a non-resident he did not have any right to be unless he could define who had invited him in. The fact that an operator told Zimmerman to not approach is a separate issue unrelated to the legality of Zimmerman’s actions. If a burglar broke into the first floor of a house and a resident on the second floor managed to call the police from the inside of a locked room then the operator would also counsel to stay locked in the room and avoid confrontation while the police arrive. That doesn’t mean it is a violation of the civil rights of the burglar for the resident to stick their head out and try to see the invader looks like (although this might be a stupid decision).

    That same summer of 2012 it happened right here in my park that an elderly woman called the police because she saw some strange young people outside her house. It turned out that they were guests of another older resident from elsewhere in the park and everything was easily resolved, but they didn’t try running around the park and leading people on a merry chase (never mind assaulting anyone the way Martin attacked Zimmerman after sneaking up on him). The whole incident made me remember how when I first visited my father in a park in the 1970s he specifically told me “If anyone sees you and wants to know who you are don’t try running away, tell them that you’re with me and I’m your father.” That sounded strange to me as a kid, but I followed parental advice. Unfortunately Tracy Martin never raised his son with any meaningful advice.

  69. anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @ia

    I think many on the right side of the house are waking up to the lefty-fem framework being pushed on men. White women are the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action as well as the Civil Rights Act. They are doing fairly well, and when the econ downturn started in 2008, it was men being laid off more. In the schools, women are outperforming the men and are getting more college degrees overall. In the white collar world women are not only doing well, but are moving into jobs that men once dominated. The main complaint these days of feminists is “glass ceiling”- that is women not getting more of the HIGH-LEVEL- EXEC slots. Only in a few areas now men dominate- tech is one but even that is changing. Military used to be another but that is changing too, as hardcore “boots on the ground” are downsized in favor of drones, air power and other machine-based solutions. Didn’t say it will happen quickly but a pattern is there.

    The fems know this but they are “playing” men a number of ways, and use diversionary scapegoats like blacks (who are not much of a threat to white people in the job market) to screen the movement of women into slots that displace men. That’s where most of the damage is occurring, same in education. Blacks representation in high-end universities for example has been static, stuck at around 7-9% for the last 30 years despite AA. The real competitors to white men are first white women, and then Asians, but everybody rushes knee-jerk to the battle lines when a black guy shows up, ignoring the REAL game behind the scenes, that is undercutting white men.

    …………….

    On the beautiful women, yes that is part of the story. With more money and jobs at their disposal they are even more selective and don’t give a damn about the average white joe no more, some PUA and men’s rights dudes argue. It used to be more balanced in past decades. Now its like, gee you ain’t tall enough, or you don’t make enough money, you don’t have enough status, or you ain’t a perfumed, slick-boy, etc.. On top of that is the lesbian thing gaining more ground, further reducing the pool of decent looking female eligibles. Some say this is why so may PUA and “game” sympathizers don’t give a damn no more about playing nice and chivalrous.

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    You say whites are told that they should “submit” to blacks? This would be startling news to most black people. This is not so at all, and white people certainly aren’t doing much “caving” in to blacks. If this were the case there would be no BLM demonstrations, or civil rights agitation, litigation etc. And many blacks are willing to work with the white right on specific issues of mutual interest- tactical cooperation. In 2008 for example, a combination of white conservatives and blacks and hispanics put the kabosh on the gay marriage thing in California. Elites had to use unelected judges to get around this barrier. You have to look at the actual data on the ground above and beyond the propaganda tropes the elites are using to “play” naive white working class and middle class men. Fake black scapegoats are what the elites use as diversionary bait to keep the white working class and poor under their thumb.

    How often for example have the white faithful rushed to the battle-lines against “black quotas” for example, when the main beneficiaries of “quotas” are white women displacing white men? Show some poor Mexican illegals working low end construction and the white faithful shake their fists in indignation, and sneer in scorn. But this low-end work is chump change. Steve Bannon gave an interview some time back when he said the real problem was LEGAL immigration, and the tech elites have gutted the prospects of many white IT and STEM guys by (a) importing Indians/East Asians to do high end engineering, STEM and IT work more cheaply, and (b) outsourcing the jobs these white guys had, to Asia.

    So while conservatives are sneering and yelling about poor Mexicans, who are doing many jobs white people don’t want anyway, the lucrative higher end is being taken over by legal immigration. But many white nationalists and conservatives have not caught on to the game of the elites. The elites benefit at both the high and low end. At the low end they get cheap labor in farms, factories and domestic service. At the high end they get cheap labor, sometimes higher IQ Asiatic labor, to build their tech and STEM empires. Its gravy all down the line for white elites, the white working man, or average white guy be dammed.
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    White elites- the so-called “brights”- the Charles Murray “IQ supreme” crowd– are running another game on the white working man and average white joe. While everybody is sneering or laughing at blacks, the white “brights” are getting richer and acquiring more power. This includes liberal as well as conservative “brights” who have opened up a huge gap in income, education, status and cognitive ability over the also-rans, the average white guy or white working class guy.

    Murray admits as much in his 2012 book Coming Apart. He laments how arrogant and blatant the huge CEO paychecks are for example, and how it is making the “brights” look heartless. But he still favors the white “brights” over the white working man. In fact in his famous book “Losing Ground” Murray would hurt the average white/ white working class family by eliminating all unemployment, workers comp, disability, health care and other government assistance that many white people need as a supplement to survive. It’s the old cold-hearted “IQ Supreme” mentality again- the white working man be damned if he can’t keep up with the smart-set “brights.” They only need him come election time.

    The “brights” and the white corporate elites are the ones that have promoted the shipping of many good jobs overseas, heavy immigration, etc etc, and the use of heavier IQ measures, that end up displacing white people in favor of higher-IQ Asians. But many have not caught on to the game, and knee-jerk focus their energy on the latest “race bait” meme rather than the real game.
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    A final way the average white guy is being played is in the rise of “transgender” and “gay” influence, which further undermines his traditional understandings and strengths. Again blacks are often a diversionary smokescreen for conflicts between whites, and the legit black-civil rights struggle narrative has been hijacked by the mostly white “gay” and “transgender” movements. All the ultra “sensitivity” over “racism” is not so much about blacks as it is about serving as a “politically correct” way of muzzling or shutting down dissent over the gay/transgender advance.

    This is another reason the white right needs to stop being so obsessed with blacks and focus on the PRIMARY danger- INTERNAL white corruption and decline. Hundreds of “patriots” will turn out against a BLM demonstration of a few blacks in some town, but when the local school system starts quietly implementing “gender diversity” teaching, policies, clubs, teams, proms, etc etc, traditional white culture is slowly being undermined from WITHIN, a much MORE dangerous development than a few blacks who ain’t going no place anyhow. But too often, elites are able to smokescreen what they are doing with diversionary “race cards” and too often, conservative race-baiters fall into the trap, enabling them on many counts.

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  70. ia says:
    @anonymous

    I haven’t seen any working examples where whites and blacks team up against the rich.

  71. @Cato

    Just use the DISAGREE button if you don’t have an argument.

  72. Cato says:

    Continuous improvement! So much better than the previous reactions. Gold Star to your programmer “Greta”.

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