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citizenThe very first thing I heard about the Orlando shooter, on the CBS news over my car radio, was that he was an American citizen. They just couldn’t wait to tell us that.

Whether it was precisely CBS who were eager to tell us, or Orlando law enforcement, with CBS just passing on what they got, I don’t know, and it doesn’t much matter. It shows the mindset of authorities at all levels in our society. The thought behind it is the one uttered out loud by General George Casey after the Fort Hood shooting: “As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.” [Fort hood: diversity rules, NY Post, October 29, 2012]

That is actually how people in authority think: not merely editors of liberal newspapers or TV stations, but managers and leaders in the military and law enforcement, corporate bosses, bureaucrats and politicians, college administrators, all the way down to schoolteachers and librarians.

That’s how they think. Diversity is our strength! That’s the state ideology; it’s the air we breathe.

It’s also a big fat lie.

I really don’t know what it will take to knock that big fat lie on the head and kill it for good. Nine-eleven should have done it in all logic; but no, we just doubled down on our diversity gamble, admitting more Muslims for settlement in the decade after 9/11 than we had in the decade before. [Federal Data: U.S. Annually Admits Quarter Of A Million Muslim Migrants, by Julia Hahn, Breitbart, September 14, 2015]

And yes, Omar Mateen was a U.S. citizen, born in Queens Borough of New York City — just like Donald Trump, as all the Main Stream Media outlets have been gleefully telling us.

Let the Gods of the Copybook Headings, as personified by your humble author, limp up to explain it once more.

I don’t even need to compose my thoughts. I only have to quote the relevant passage from my tremendous 2009 bestseller We Are Doomed. Edited longish quote from Chapter 10:

The English word “assimilation” derives from the Latin prefix ad-, which indicates a moving towards something, and the same language’s verb simulare, “to cause a person or thing to resemble another.” You can make a precisely opposite word using the prefix ab-, which marks a moving away from something. Many immigrants of course assimilate to American society … Many others, however, especially in the second and following generations,absimilate …

Of the four men held responsible for the London terror bombings of July 2005, three were English-born. (The fourth immigrated at age five from Jamaica.) In December 2008, writing in PajamasMedia.com, terrorism expert Patrick Poole noted that many U.S. citizens of Somali origin were leaving the country to train as terrorists in Somalia …

Assimilation, absimilation: If you let great numbers of foreigners settle in your country, you will surely get both.

All right; Omar Mateen was second generation, and he absimilated away from American culture. What about the first generation — which is to say, his parents?Why were they given settlement rights in our country from Afghanistan?

Mateen Senior, first name Seddique, became a naturalized citizen in 1989 after coming to this country from his native Afghanistan in the early 1980s. I haven’t been able to discover what kind of visa he came in on. The leading possibilities are: (a) he came as a refugee, via the United Nations and our own State Department, or (b) he was performing some service to the U.S.A. against the Soviet forces then occupying Afghanistan, or (c) some close relative of his — or some person he persuaded to swear he was a relative — was performing such services, or was a refugee, and Mr Mateen got in on the family-reunification boondoggle.

It wasn’t likely an employment visa. Mr Mateen has been making a living selling life insurance since 1991. I don’t recall there being any critical shortage of life-insurance salesmen in the early 1980s.

Bearing in mind possibility (b) above, it’s possible that Mateen, Sr. risked his life to assist the U.S.A. with policy objectives in Afghanistan. This was the Cold War, remember; and as I remind younger listeners and readers, the Cold War was a very big deal, with nuclear annihilation in play. The Mujaheddin fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan were our allies. Islam was not at that point committing acts of homicidal lunacy in Western countries.

So it’s possible that Mateen, Sr.’s admission to the U.S.A. was justified even by the very strict Radio Derb standards — which, just to remind you, would allow permanent settlement to spouses and dependent children of U.S. Citizens, certified geniuses, persons who’ve performed some meritorious service to U.S. policy goals, a few Solzhenitsyn-type high-profile dissidents, and nobody else at all.

It’s possible, but is it likely? Not really. Quote from an authoritative website:

Prior to 1978, only about 2,500 Afghans lived in the United States. Between 1980 and 1996, more than 32,000 were admitted as refugees, along with 40,000 under regular immigrant visas, most as part of the family reunification program.

Afghan Immigration, immigrationtous.net (See also Encyclopedia of North American Immigration, By John Powell)

That’s 72,000 Afghans, exceedingly few of whom, I imagine, put their lives on the line for U.S. policy goals under the Soviet occupation. And it goes without saying that of those 32,000 refugees from the Soviet occupation, very few — quite possibly none at all — returned to Afghanistan when the occupation ended in 1989.

Mateen, Sr. seems to be some kind of a crackpot — an anti-American kind, among other things. He hosts a satellite TV show and runs a YouTube channel, both given over mostly to Afghan affairs, in both of which he frequently expresses anti-American views.

It would probably be a slight improvement to the U.S.A. at large, and only a very minor loss to the life-insurance industry, if we could strip this guy of his citizenship and send him back to Afghanistan, which has been free of Soviet occupation now for 27 years.

After all, I’m sure people like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would be happy to strip me of my citizenship and send me back to Airstrip One.

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So what’s to be done here? Well, as the saying goes, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing is to stop digging. We may not be able to rectify the errors of the past—but we absolutely should not be permitting any further settlement by Muslims.

And if a presidential candidate comes along with the good sense and courage to say that out loud, we should vote for him.

But how did our politicians react to the Orlando killings?

As usual, I’ll frame this in sectionalist terms — in terms of what I call the Cold Civil War. As with our country’s actual Civil War a hundred fifty years ago, the conflict — this time a cold one, thank goodness — is between two big blocs of white people who can’t stand the sight of each other: Goodwhites and Badwhites. The Goodwhites draft in battalions of colored people to dig latrine trenches and feed the horses, and to act as figureheads for Goodwhite values, as with our current President.

So when something like the Orlando atrocity happens, the task for Goodwhites is to frame it as the fault of Badwhites, or at least to pin it to Badwhite values somehow.

That was how the Goodwhites proceeded. Badwhites love guns; Badwhites are not enthusiastic about the promotion of homosexuality; Badwhites think our Judeo-Christian culture is threatened by mass Muslim immigration. So the Goodwhite reactions stressed gun control and fighting homophobia, and tried to avoid mentioning Islam at all.

President Obama gave a speech twelve hours after the shooting. He’d just come from a meeting with the FBI Director, he told us, and so at this point he surely knew the killer’s identity. He had nothing to say about it, though, other than “What is clear is that he was a person filled with hatred.” [Remarks by the President on Mass Shooting in Orlando, June 12, 2016]

OK, but what was the source of this hatred? Obama didn’t specify, but he implied that the fault lay with us Americans, by which of course he meant Badwhites: “May [God] give us all … the strength and courage to change.”

The President of course got in a plug for gun control, carefully tying the Orlando killings to Badwhite atrocities at Sandy Hook, Charleston, and Aurora, Colorado:

This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or in a movie theater, or in a night club.

Those references are tellingly selective. There is no mention of Fort Hood, San Bernardino, or the Washington Navy Yard. (Pictured right, Navy Yard Shooter Aaron Alexis, AKA “Texas Man.” navyyardshooter) It’s only Badwhites that commit these atrocities, you see.

Hillary Clinton made a much longer speech in Cleveland on Monday: three thousand words, none of which began with “i-m-m-i-g-r.” “Weapons of war have no place on our streets,” said the lady; and “The terrorist in Orlando targeted LGBT Americans out of hatred and bigotry.” [Read Hillary Clinton’s Speech About the Orlando Shooting, by Ryan Teague Beckwith, Time.com, June 13, 2016]

The word “Islam” did at least show up once in Mrs. Clinton’s speech, albeit grudgingly.

Still, as I have said before, none of us can close our eyes to the fact that we do face enemies who use their distorted version of Islam to justify slaughtering innocent people.

Is the ISIS version of Islam really distorted, though? As the blogger Iowahawk has pointed out, Abubakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, has a Ph.D. in Islamic studies. So his view of Islam is surely more authoritative than Mrs. Clinton’s.

Donald Trump also made a speech on Monday, also three thousand words, addressing forthrightly and unflinchingly the key issues here. Ctrl-F on “i-m-m-i-g-r”: 29 hits. Hit number three, quote:

We have a dysfunctional immigration system which does not permit us to know who we let into our country, and it does not permit us to protect our citizens.

Why can’t our President say that? Why can’t the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee say it?

Trump also spoke about what a friend of mine calls “Narrative Collision.” The Narrative here is the one promoted by Goodwhites: the narrative of Badwhites filled with hate, endlessly seeking to harm or humiliate designated victim groups — blacks, women, Latinos, Muslims, homosexuals. Narrative Collision occurs when two different aspects of the Narrative contradict each other: for example, blacks raping women, or Muslims beating up homosexuals.

The Orlando killings were classic Narrative Collision—so much so, there was some subdued crowing about it from the Dissident Right. I don’t condone this, but it expresses very understandable and widespread resentment at the endless rain of Narrative propaganda.

I myself got eight or ten emails from listeners along the following lines— I’m not quoting any particular emailer, just condensing the sense of the group: “So a crazy Muslim shoots up a hall full of black and Hispanic homosexuals. As a straight white Christian (in one case, Jewish) person, why should I care?”

Yes, it’s mean, but that’s how a lot of people feel after decades of diversity propaganda about the wickedness of normal white Americans.

Trump was not of course as cynical as my correspondents, but he did nail the Narrative Collision aspect:

Hillary Clinton can never claim to be a friend of the gay community as long as she continues to support immigration policies that bring Islamic extremists to our country who suppress women, gays and anyone who doesn’t share their views.

She can’t have it both ways. She can’t claim to be supportive of these communities while trying to increase the number of people coming in who want to oppress them.

How does this kind of immigration make our life better?

How does this kind of immigration make our country better?

My emphasis. Those two closing questions were rhetorical as spoken; but I hope that when debating Mrs. Clinton, Trump asks them directly. They are damn good questions.

Let me close by noting two other, related, horrors in the civilized world last week.

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In an outer suburb of Paris, an ISIS militant stabbed an off-duty police captain to death outside the officer’s home Monday evening. Then he went inside the home; police arrived; there was a three-hour standoff. When the police stormed the place, they found that the Muslim guy had also killed the officer’s wife in front of her three-year-old son.

The Muslim himself died in the assault, but the infant survived. The poor kid is said to be “traumatized,” which I can very well believe.

An interesting aspect of this case is that the killer, name of Larossi Abballa, was on a police watch list of individuals thought to be a danger to public security. He’d been arrested in 2011 and given a three-year sentence for terrorist-related offenses. [Who was French police killer Larossi Abballa? BBC, June 19, 2016]

The moral of the story here is that you really need to watch the people on your watch list.

NBC News describes Abballa as born in France, so presumably this is another case of second-generation absimilation.

  • England

Then on Thursday this week, a young female Member of Parliament named Jo Cox was stabbed and shot to death in the street outside her constituency office.

This really does seem to have been a case of a crazy Badwhite snapping. The killer, arrested nearby shortly after the murder, was a 52-year-old white English loner, unmarried and childless, named Thomas Mair. He seems to be a mild-mannered sort, no criminal record, but apparently dealing with mental health issues.

The Muslim angle here: the killing happened in West Yorkshire ( in a town called Birstall) where there’s a very big Muslim population, mostly Pakistani. The nearby town of Bradford was 25 percent Muslim in the 2011 census, up from 16 percent ten years earlier. On a linear extrapolation, it’s likely now over thirty percent Muslim. The town of Rotherham, where hundreds of white English girls were made sex slaves by Muslim men, and police refused to act for fear of looking racist, is just 22 miles away.

Ms. Cox is described on the Middle Eastern website albawaba.com as a “passionate advocate for Syrian refugees and Muslim immigrants.”

That website further notes that “after being elected last year, Cox used her first speech to Parliament to extol the benefits of having Muslims and other immigrants move to Britain.”

coxandassistantWith Ms. Cox when she was killed was her assistant, a young Muslim woman named Fazila Aswat, shown wearing a headscarf in the new pictures. Ms. Aswat gave a very affecting account of Ms. Cox’s last moments.

So while the motive here was not Islamic terrorism, it wouldn’t be very surprising to learn that the killer was pushed over the edge from instability into lunacy by watching the Islamization of his country, and the favoritism shown to Muslims in cases like the Rotherham abductions, and by the “passionate advocacy” of politicians like Ms. Cox on behalf of foreigners over native English people.

Once again, in France and England as here, those two questions asked by Donald Trump on Monday hang in the air:

  • How does this kind of immigration make our life better?

And:

  • How does this kind of immigration make our country better?

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived atJohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    John

    Muslim legal immigrants are being imported legally into the US for one reason and one reason only:so that Muslims can enthusiastically and legally vote Native Born White American Christians into a violently persecuted racial minority on Nov 8 2016.

    White Guy Trump Bros and Donald Trump have never challenged the Democratic Party’s stranglehold framing of Muslim legal immigration this way. Therefor, I conclude that White Guy Trump Bros and Donald Trump are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  2. The fact is that most immigrants live boring, unremarkable lives, that is, they are just like everyone else. If it wasn’t so, there would not be a building left standing. People are people and most people, by far, mind their own business and try to fly under the radar.

    If you can wrap your head around this simple fact, then, immigration makes our lives better in as much immigrants pick our fruit, drive your our trucks, clean our toilets, etc. Over time, their lot will improve because our lot will have improved as the lot of our immigrants forebears did before.

    Granted, it can all go to hell. But you are part of the very few asking to get there in a hurry. Most of us just want to mind our business and live our lives, whatever our lot might be.

  3. grmbl says:

    Brexit had a slim chance of winning, but after the murder of Jo Cox we can forget about it.

    If I were as paranoid as the conspiracy theorists infesting unz.com, I would claim that under the “cui bono” rationale, “obviously” this murder was planned by TPTB, TWMNBN, Bilderbergers, Soros, Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs, and their poodle Cameron.

    However … it’s just bad luck. Brexit would have been a speedbump in the Islamic invasion, nothing more. My last crazy, forlorn hope is that the Red Chinese will intervene in the last hour to throw out the Muslims from Europe, on the selfish rationale that they want the famous cathedrals and artworks preserved from the inevitable Muslim destruction. Holidays in Europe are still very much coveted by the Chinese middle class, and Notre Dame and the Vatican rank highly as must-visit.

  4. 5371 says:

    I wouldn’t describe the death of Cox as a horror.

  5. 5371 says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Are you a Swede? You are stupider than dirt, and an evil traitor.

  6. If I wanted Mr. Trump to win, I wouldn’t want him to channel Mr. Derbyshire too faithfully.

    • Replies: @SFG
  7. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The United States has run the world’s largest trade deficit since the early 1980’s. This means that more dollars have gone abroad than foreign currency has come in. Our trade partners have used this net surplus of cash to buy American assets such as stocks and bonds. The American government and American companies are no longer owned by American citizens.

    These alien owners are interested only in maximizing their profit derived from owning these assets. They are not interested in the well being of those who had been the native citizens of this country. Hence they support importing an alien workforce in order to drive down the cost of labor which at the same time destroys the monopoly and bargaining power labor in America had previously enjoyed. To accomplish this, the Unions had to be dismantled and this too was done with the enabling help of a bought and corrupted Congress.

    Movement of Capital into and out of the country was also required and this too was accomplished by bribing (via completely legal campaign contributions, which too were “liberalized”,) Congressmen and Presidents to “liberalize” financial regulations. Dual citizenship was proposed and enacted on behalf of the now-dominant foreign lobby.

    America is no longer owned by Americans. All else, the dispossession, the insults, special consideration for non-citizens and bad-citizens and so-called victims of oppression, laws aimed at limiting the power of native citizens’ speech and right to peaceable assembly follow from foreign ownership of our businesses and government.

    We are strangers in our own strange and stranger land.

    Until we limit the flow of goods into this country from foreign sweatshops which are not required to maintain standards which sustain tolerable environmental and labor health, then our lives shall be degraded.

    Here are two practical proposals for evening the playing field.

    1. Every item purchased for projects undertaken by any branch of the government shall be sourced from an American owned company operating within America. All of the cement, steel, copper wire, fixtures, furniture etc. shall be made within the country from domestic supplies.

    2. Every imported item shall be examined with an eye towards its cost of production relative to a similar item made in America with respect to the additional cost born by American producers for such overhead as entailed by complying with environmental and labor standards. A tariff will be applied on items from any factory in e.g. China which was created in a facility that does not meet current United States pollution standards. A tariff will be applied on factories in which employees are subject to working conditions that are substandard by U.S. criteria.

    These tariffs will offset the advantage enjoyed by an incorrigible foreign producer and so will apply pressure on all businesses everywhere to conform to standards of civilized life.

    It shall be incumbent upon foreign nations interested in trading with us to prove that the factories in which their products are made meet the minimum standards prevailing here.

    In reality, it is too late. Our nation has been sold and we are incidental cargo. We can fight–literally–to take it back or we can fade away, swamped by a tsunami of brown hordes. They’re not going to give it back to us.

  8. Discard says:
    @Berta Arnason

    First, immigrants displace American workers. You know that, before the mass immigration of the last 40 years, fruit got picked, trucks got driven, and toilets got cleaned? By actual Americans? Like myself? Yes, in my youth, I was a janitor at a shopping mall and cleaned the toilets, and yes I have had more than one driving job.

    Second, the boring unremarkable lives that most immigrants live have real costs for Americans. A culture that produces jihadis is not otherwise just like us. The violence is just the visible tip of a the mass of discivic behaviors commonly found in low-trust societies with strong in-group morality. They lie, cheat, and steal. They litter, they don’t donate blood, and they don’t return borrowed items even if you remind them repeatedly. They don’t believe in waiting your turn, paying taxes, obeying traffic laws, or parking neatly so that people they don’t know will have room to park too. They are intentionally a day late and a dollar short, are willing to share the pot that they put nothing into, and have no shame about filing false insurance claims.

    That are not just like anyone else. They are like untrustworthy, scumbag Whites.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  9. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Discard

    I too picked apples for two seasons–good money at the time! And was a janitor at a restaurant and later a busboy and cook. So, bullish*t on those who say Americans won’t do those jobs.

  10. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Part II

    Before American companies could be induced to locate manufacturing facilities abroad, a wedge had to first be driven between ownership/management and labor.

    When corporate raiders acquired assets such as old-line American manufacturing firms in the 1980’s, they did so with cash raised by issuing bonds. These bonds were not backed by any real income stream or tangible assets; only by the promise of future income in the form of high interest payments. With the money from the bond issue, Jewish corporate raiders such as Icahn, Milliken, KKR and the like began buying America’s corporations. Immediately they replaced the stodgy, old, Anglo-Saxon board of directors with their Jewish cronies. The acquisition was stripped of all of its assets which were then used to repay the initial investors and finance further takeovers. The art of the takeover “artist” lay in properly identifying likely prospects, which had to have ample cash reserves.

    This new board of directors felt no loyalty towards the white American worker. Plants were closed, personnel laid off and factories moved abroad to take advantage of cheap labor. It was okay to destroy the life a worker, his family and the community because these people were the enemy–the despised WASP. If the worker complained about the destruction of his life and his company by these financial pirates then this just confirmed that he was an Antisemite. Once some plants left, others were forced to follow if they wished to survive and aggressive Jewish stockholders insured that they did by bringing lawsuits against management who didn’t “maximize stockholder value” by every means possible.

    The alert reader will have noted by now the similarities between the recent home mortgage meltdown and the techniques used by the take-over schemers of the 1980’s. Bonds are issued which are not backed by a tangible asset, only by the promise of a future income stream. With the borrowed money, further assets are purchased until the speculators are forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel and reclassify junk as viable. The system of credit is corrupted, the economy crippled. Because they cannot pay their debts cripples are easy prey. Insolvency justifies seizing their assets or auctioning them off. Soon, America will go the way of Greece and the former Soviet Union, whose public holdings were sold to the banker oligarchs. Note that none of this is accomplished with real money. The money is created through issuing debt.

    Now the Jew has leveraged himself into his position as dominant financial power in America. He controls the Federal Reserve. With his control of America’s financial system, he exerts control over every level of American life. Controlling America, he uses the military to carry out his imperialistic conquest abroad. And so the 19 year old son or daughter of a displaced, unemployed American worker, having no prospects for meaningful employment at home earns the right to travel abroad to give their blood and lives to further extend the influence of the same crew who destroyed his prospects for a good life at home.

  11. Coemgen says:
    @Berta Arnason

    The fact is that most right-wing, racist, misogynist, homophobic, native-born, white “males” live boring, unremarkable lives, that is, they are just like everyone else.

    They too wish only to live their lives and mind their own businesses but they’ve been targeted for replacement (read: ethnic cleansing) by powerful “elites” using unrestrained immigration to the U.S. as the means of replacement.

    We already have plenty of people in the U.S. We have millions of employable people that are not working. We do not need immigrants.

  12. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Foriegner

    How did Native Born White Americans ever manage to survive when they were a 90 percent Native Born White American Majority racial majority in the US?

    Very obvious answer:quite well thank you…we managed to put 12 Alpha Native Born White American Males on the Moon when there were hardly any MUZZIES..Chinese…Koreans….Hindu…and Sihks living and breeding on Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space….

    When I visit the Skyline Highway in the bucolic Shennandoah Valley in October…why do I have to be a racial Foriegner surrounded by off-the-boat young high fertility Pakistani LEGAL Immigrant Couples?

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Rehmat
  13. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    John

    5 o’ clock yesterday Copenhagen Bakery Northport….Teenage Jewish Girl proudly wearing the brown Israeli Defense Force shirt…imagine that…a Military whose openly stated intent is to preserve Israeli Jews as a racial-ethnic majority in Jew pure Israel….

    On the other hand….The US Military….What did US Army General George Casey say after the Fort Hood Massacre by an Muslim American legal immigrant US Army Captain?

    This is how I view the Late MP Jo Cox=Jo Coxroach=Jo Cockroach….most definitely a member of the BLATTARIA species along with her devoted husband Brendan Coxroach….

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  14. DWright says:

    Look, I have lived in the Detroit area my whole life. Dearborn just 15 minutes from me which has the largest Muslim or Arabic population in the United States. They dominate that former lily white city and their numbers are significant in the greater Detroit area.

    I have not seen as much as one would suspect as far anti American behavior or high levels of crime. So what, are they a benefit to our are? They don’t assimilate, almost never purchase from small businesses that are not their own. Everything is and always will be about their group and only them. When their political strength reaches a certain threshold, look out, we ain’t going to be happy.

    Heh, their restaurants are nice.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Realist
  15. Marcus says:
    @DWright

    Yeah, terrorism isn’t the big issue, if anything it would help to wake people up to the threat.

  16. fnn says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Over time, their lot will improve because our lot will have improved as the lot of our immigrants forebears did before.

    Try reading non-utopian left-wingers like James Howard Kunstler:
    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/pretend-to-the-bitter-end/

    There’s really one supreme element of this story that you must keep in view at all times: a society (i.e. an economy + a polity = a political economy) based on debt that will never be paid back is certain to crack up. Its institutions will stop functioning. Its business activities will seize up. Its leaders will be demoralized. Its denizens will act up and act out. Its wealth will evaporate.

    Given where we are in human history — the moment of techno-industrial over-reach — this crackup will not be easy to recover from; not like, say, the rapid recoveries of Japan and Germany after the brutal fiasco of World War Two. Things have gone too far in too many ways. The coming crackup will re-set the terms of civilized life to levels largely pre-techno-industrial. How far backward remains to be seen.

    Those terms might be somewhat negotiable if we could accept the reality of this re-set and prepare for it. But, alas, most of the people capable of thought these days prefer wishful techno-narcissistic woolgathering to a reality-based assessment of where things stand — passively awaiting technological rescue remedies (“they” will “come up with something”) that will enable all the current rackets to continue. Thus, electric cars will allow suburban sprawl to function as the preferred everyday environment; molecular medicine will eliminate the role of death in human affairs; as-yet-undiscovered energy modalities will keep all the familiar comforts and conveniences running; and financial legerdemain will marshal the capital to make it all happen.

    • Replies: @mtn cur
  17. Realist says:

    This theme, while correct, has be posted ad nauseam. But the problem remains because stupid people are allowed to vote.

  18. @Berta Arnason

    You’re not answering the question that was asked. The question was, “How does this kind of mmigration…?”

    Letting in avowed and demonstrably violent enemies of our culture is the kind of shocking stupidity that only a death-cult of self-loathing lefties could view with satisfaction.

  19. Realist says:
    @Berta Arnason

    “If you can wrap your head around this simple fact, then, immigration makes our lives better in as much immigrants pick our fruit, drive your our trucks, clean our toilets, etc. ”

    This sentence tell volumes about your intellect.

    • Replies: @Ivy
  20. Realist says:
    @DWright

    “Look, I have lived in the Detroit area my whole life.”

    Why….it’s a shit hole?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  21. “If you can wrap your head around this simple fact, then, immigration makes our lives better in as much immigrants pick our fruit, drive your our trucks, clean our toilets, etc. “

    I watched my two nephews play video games through their teen years because they couldn’t find the jobs we did as teens because the immigrants (legal or illegal) had a lock on them. Consequently, their work ethics suck, and the jobs they have in their twenties are nowhere near where I was at that age because I showed up and did anything and got promoted for what we used to call a good attitude. My nephews have been told all their lives that there are jobs Americans won’t do and then had it demonstrated to them by watching those jobs be farmed out in preference to de facto slave labor.

    Yeah, I guess immigration makes all our lives better; I emigrated a few years back, and it seems to have been a good move considering how fast things are being run into the ground back home. But I still have a good attitude, so I learned a new language, got a good job, and observe the local customs … don’t you wish your cherished immigrants were so inclined?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Jay Igaboo
  22. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    We must always keep in mind that Muslims didn’t gain control of Western media and academia and courts to the point of making mass immigration/invasion possible.

    Abe Foxman is like King Herod who killed babies to prevent the Coming of the One.

    Foxman aborts and smothers all budding truths about Jews to prevent the eventual rise of the Big Truth about Jews.

    The cult of ‘antisemitism’ comes in two forms, and paradoxically, they are two sides of the same coin.
    There is ‘white guilt’ and ‘white sanctity’.

    Holocaustianity, for example, doesn’t blame ALL whites. It blames the ‘antisemitic’ whites. Such whites are to feel the crushing weight of of guilt because their attitudes and ideas led to the Holocaust.

    But there are the other whites. The GOOD whites, the noble whites. They are not burdened with ‘white guilt’ BUT for a price. They must love, adore, admire, and worship the Jew. In order for Schindler to own ‘white sanctity’, he must do everything in power to save the Jews. (Can anyone think of communist Jews in the USSR who stuck their necks out to save Ukrainians?) Or take the GOOD white goy soldiers in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. They need not feel ‘white guilt’ but ONLY BECAUSE they are laying down their lives in fighting the mortal enemy of the Jews.

    So, the concept of ‘white sanctity’ operates on the premise that those who won’t admire, serve, protect, worship, and sacrifice themselves for Jews will be burdened with ‘white guilt’.
    So, ‘white sanctity’ is really just another form of ‘white guilt’ because it is the abject fear of being tagged with ‘white guilt’ that makes whites desperately cling to the ‘white sanctity’ of serving, protecting, and worshiping Jews.

    ‘White sanctity’ is different from Jewish Sanctity, Black Sanctity, and Homo Sanctity. Those three favored groups are sacred-and-special merely for being what they are, serving their own identity & interests, and being proud of it.

    In contrast, ‘white sanctity’ is incumbent on GOOD whites admiring, serving, and worshiping Jews, Negroes, and homos. Whites are not sacred-and-special for what they are but only for what they do for the Holy PC Three.

    It’s no wonder that so many whites are so fiercely ‘anti-racist’, homomanical, and philosemite. They are desperate to stave off ‘white guilt’ by choosing ‘white sanctity’ that requires slavish adoration of Jews, Negroes, and homos.

  23. iffen says:

    The killer, arrested nearby shortly after the murder, was a 52-year-old white English loner, unmarried and childless, named Thomas Mair.

    According to records obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center Mair was for decades a dedicated supporter of the National Alliance (NA), the once premier neo-Nazi organization in the United States. Mair purchased a manual from the NA in 1999 that included instructions on how to build a pistol.

    Mair, who resides in what is described as a semi-detached house on the Fieldhead Estate in Birstall, sent just over $620 to the NA, according to invoices for goods purchased from National Vanguard Books, the NA’s publishing imprint.

    Has anyone thought about the steps involved in the SPLC obtaining the invoices from the NA?

  24. Ivy says:
    @Realist

    The “clean our toilets” item was an echo of Tony Villar, aka, Antonio Villaraigosa. He was once mayor of Los Angeles and mentioned the toilets item as he was stirring up current and would-be constituents. His little speech was recycled numerous times on talk radio stations looking for a laugh – “we clean your toilets”, preceded or followed by something inane.

  25. Marcus says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    How did Native Born White Americans ever manage to survive when they were a 90 percent Native Born White American Majority racial majority in the US?

    We got the micks, guineas, polacks, chinks, and darkies to do the dirty work.

  26. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Marcus

    Marcus

    Speaking of Italians….The very beautiful Italian half-breed Ashley Judd will go through life childless and jibber jabbering about how her home state of West Virginia urgently needs to be colonized by Pakistani Muslim legal immigrants.

    That other half-breed Italian of Appalachia West Virginia Ancestry…..Lady Gaga…..continues her efforts to homo norm the US Military and Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Jefferson
  27. @iffen

    The domestic terror meme got started with the need to keep an eye on the Badwhites by letting the SPLC and ADL use the NSA and DHS powers for that. After all, Badwhites are the real enemy of the GoodWhite coalition to absolve themselves of the guilt inculcated in public school.

  28. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @iffen

    The Democratic Party=Mass murdered in cold blood three thousand Conservative Orthodox Christian Russians in the Eastern Ukraine!!!

    The SPLC=The Democratic Party

    Heidi Bierich=The SPLC

    Hiedi Bierich=Notorious Terrorist at large….why hasn’t this fat ugly pig been arrested for terrorism and war crimes?

  29. Marcus says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Italian immigrants were ok people, but their descendants still trend liberal, like those of most pre-1924 immigrants.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  30. mtn cur says:
    @fnn

    It is good for people like you to point out that there really is a point of no return in all this; too bad we won’t survive to argue about whether nuclear winter is a good cure for global warming or whatever damn fool thing turns out to be the trip wire. You are right though, we have regressed to a bunch of myopic pet shop gerbils with water bottle, fast food feeders, and hamster wheels for fitness and all in our own rented little cage.

  31. Only the most rabid neocon would think a treasonous piece of shite who betrays his country on behalf of the Washington filth should be rewarded with US citizenship.

    As for Judeo-Christian, an utterly meaningless lie. What “culture did the Jews have before stealing that of the West?

    Oh, right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc-aeZiYmGA

  32. @Berta Arnason

    We have legal immigration policy for just the “idyllic” scenario you describe. The article is referring to what amounts to an illegal invasion of large blocs of third world people for the express purpose of de-whitening (bad) America and electing the democrat party who must be in a constant state of panic at their election prospects because no one sane would advocate illegal immigration on any scale much less one this massive.

  33. Technically, Tommy Mair was Scottish, as can be seen in his name. From Kilmarnock, or possibly nearby Newmilns, one of the innumerable crappy post-industrial villages in the hinterlands of Ayrshire. Killie (which used to make Massey Ferguson tractors among other things, such as dubious whisky, including 007’s favoured tipple) can be viewed in all its glory in a recent reality TV docu. The Scheme“.

  34. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Nick Granite

    Nick Granite

    There was no economic justification post-WW2 for importing millions of nonwhite legal immigrants. US legal immigration policy has been privatized and under the control of MEGA-CEOs, and now, the various nonwhite Fifth Columns such as the India Policy Group which owns most of the US Congress.

    Nonwhite legal immigrants and their US born gene-line are a hardcore Democratic Party Voting Bloc that will be voting The Historic Native Born White America Majority into violently persecuted racial minority status this Nov 8 2016..and every four years thereafter on Nov 8.

    Donald Trump is too little too late…it’s just rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic.

    Muslims are being imported into the US for one reason and one reason only:so they can enthusiastically vote Whitey into a violently persecuted racial minority within the borders of post-white America this Nov 8. Donald Trump and his White Guy Trump Bros are too chickenshit to publicly state this very obvious fact about the Democratic Party’s post-1965 Immigration Policy. And as a consequence, they have allowed the Democratic Party, and as a consequence, Hillary Clinton will 1)destroy Donald Trump in the October debates..and it is for this reason that Hillary Clinton will be announced POTUS at 8pm Nov 8 2016.

  35. An excellent piece from JD that Americans would be wise to pay heed to, or, more accurately, that they would be both stupid and careless of their future generations destiny to ignore.
    I am delighted that he approaches the murder a few days ago of MP Jo Cox without recourse the sickening, emotionally incontinent and exploitive merde of “our” British political/media class.

    I posted the below on the website of The Spectator magazine which ran a piece on Cox’s murder.
    As my fellow Britons have little understanding that a free society should have free speech( and other Europeans have even less understanding or tolerance of it), it was removed immediately.

    I suppose Cox was GoodWhite and I’m Badwhite because I don’t wish to endorse the lunacy that is political correctness, the [email protected] child of the Cultural Marxism that will destroy the West if it remains unchecked.

    Here’s my post in response to the article’s request that we all show some “decency” regarding her demise. I must have failed the Libtard decency test. The massive decision Britons (and, unfairly and illogically, the millions of non-Britons who have settled here since our 1975 referendum on joining The Common Market, is whether we remain or leave the EU, the chastly, unelected dictatorship that the Common Market was secretly planned to become.
    Cox was all for the EU, as it allowed she and he rilk to swamp us with yet more aliens.
    Here it is:

    “I am not about to join the ranks of the hypocrites and admit to feeling unqualified dismay over the murder of one of our elected representatives. I regretted that 2 small children would be brough up without a mother, but there my regrets started and ended.
    I am not about get carried away in the tsunami of tears shed, and the emotional incontinence p/ssed out by her political friends AND her political enemies, so anxious to display how jolly decent and warm-hearted the political-media class really are, and to eulogise her by exaggerating out of all proportion any virtues she may have had, and ignoring the complete and utter wickedness and/or naivety of her political activism.
    The emotionally effusive and politically liberal will no doubt rush to brand me with various and inaccurate labels-Nazi, psychopath, etc but why should I be a hypocrite and say that I feel appalled and dreadfully saddened?
    I have posted often that for their multiple betrayals of the British people, most grievously their connivance to surrender our sovereignty and to flood my homeland with millions of (morally) un-entitled aliens( especially those who follow Islam, the totalitarian religion of conquest, that BLair, CaMoron and Broon, and others, should have faced trial for treason.
    I have also posted that after due process, they should face the rope. BLiar proposed, and Parliament removed, capital punishment for treason because he and they knew that there was a case against himself, and many others that one day might fly.

    The death of one of those who were committed to implementing the “refugee” invasion fades into insignificance against the number of those who have already died from cultural enrichment.
    Cox was a Fabian,and a Cultural Marxist and destined to be part of the inner circle should, God forbid, Labour come to power again.
    It is my sincere belief, and my greatest regret, that both my sons, and the sons of immigrants, will be engaged in decades of a civil war that will make Northern Ireland at it’s worst seem blessedly peaceful. The casualties on both sides will be severe, and the survival of the British people as a relatively free people is very much in doubt.
    One MP dead?
    Yes, it’s bad when an ACTUAL democracy has its representatives killed, but “our” MPs have never been so disconnected from the British people, and they have repeatedly betrayed them.
    Freedom of speech has been effectively banned for many, under the disguise of “hate speech legislation. They rob us blind as they betray us, and send our sons to fight unjust wars based on lies. to prop up the various Middle Eastern power blocs that fund their campaigns, or offer them legal “bribes”.
    It’s not an entirely bad thing for a politician to be wary of betraying his countrymen.
    The American Founding Fathers understood this, which is why those great men put their First and Second Amendments in their Constitution.
    Vote “out” to at least help hobble the political class swine from further damaging our future generations futures”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  36. @Realist

    Much of the area outside Detroit is NOT a “s—-hole.” I prefer West Michigan or Northern Michigan, but the Detroit suburbs are mostly pretty good (though, admittedly, the rot will never stop spreading outward from the city, with current policies and demographic trends).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @AP
  37. @The Alarmist

    Curious to know where you settled, and whether you’d recommend that country for Americans as a retirement destination….

  38. @Marcus

    I don’t know, dude. New Jersey native here, and I can tell you that Italians whom I know in NY and NJ overwhelmingly support Donald Trump, men and women alike.

  39. @Jay Igaboo

    You’re a sensible man. Good luck, and go BREXIT !

    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
  40. @Berta Arnason

    I respect your right to be a nieve idiot, but not when it impacts seriously upon the lives of others. Here in Europe hell has already been visited upon us by a wave of immigration. the worst of whom are Asian and African Muslims.
    Those who, as you say “fly under the radar ” sure as hell DO NOT mind their own business, but demand that WE accommodate them in every way, and rob us blind. In the case of Pakistanis, this is usually by fraud, particularly of our benefits system.

  41. @The Alarmist

    Excellent post. As I’m sure you probably know, it was the Jewish Marxis emigres s of the Frankfurt School who were given succour in the West from Nazi persecution who schemed to “capture” the institutions of capitalism to spread Cultural Marxism via PC diktat when the obtained tenure in Western Universities.
    It was mostly these Jews who “thanked” the nations who offered them salvation by constantly manipulating their new homelands to open the gates to all and sundry, all the better to deconstruct
    the society they were sheltered by.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  42. Lots of insults to my comment from a handful of disturbed keyboard warriors.

    Shrug.

    Meanwhile, hundreds of millions of Americans and billions of human beings elsewhere keep their head down and continue on minding with their own business, hurting no one, not even bothering to insult back. It would be easy to say that they don’t respond to the provocations because, unlike the disturbed ones on this thread, most human beings live fulfilling lives. But, of course, this is not the case. Most people by far simply live their own lives, impacting hardly anyone else positively or negatively, and that’s just all there is to it.

  43. @RadicalCenter

    Thanks. “Go Brexit”? To reply in similar Americanese ” You betcha, Buddy!”:=)

  44. KenH says:

    * How does this kind of immigration make our life better?
    And:

    * How does this kind of immigration make our country better?

    I think most people with common sense and a brain know the answer to those questions. In both cases the answer is a resounding “it doesn’t, it makes things worse”. But you’ll get all the usual politically correct platitudes and sophistries from FOX, the lefty news networks, both major political parties and brainwashed white Americans. Militant multiculturalism is now the state religion and anyone who doesn’t express an ISIS like zeal in support of it faces public ridicule and financial ruin. Land of the free we are!

    Leftists demand separation of church and state for religions they don’t like (namely, Christianity), but seek to impose their secular religious views using brute government force. So really, one could argue that we are now left wing secular theocracy and inquisitions are routinely carried out to determine fealty to the new faith and its many plastic gods like MLK and Rosa Parks and in a decade or two hence, Barack Hussein Al Baghdadi.

  45. Yes Brexit is toast. The murder hasn’t changed the minds of committed people on either side, but it has pushed the mass of undecideds firmly into the Remain camp.

  46. Discard says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Turning a high-trust society into a low trust society is very definitely impacting us negatively. My hometown is now a slum, the house I grew up in is now a fortress, and my high school produces far more dropouts than graduates, all because it has become Mexican. Not bad as barrios go, but not a place where Whites who care about their children’s’ futures can live.

  47. @Berta Arnason

    Actually, about half the country are net tax consumers, including somewhere around 60-70% of immigrants, so yes, they impact you very much. They also vote Democrat, at around 60-70%. The welfare state imports its own constituency. Also, that whole gigantic national surveillance state that sprang up in 2001 complete with entitled, unionized government employees? Thanks immigrants!

    Also, your quaint little fruit-picking and driving jobs are in the process of being automated. A million helots a year from Central America (who get old and sick and disabled by age 50, if not 40) are simply not needed.

  48. Olorin says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Well, lookee here!

    Stieg “Looks Like A Dyke” Larsson is back from the dead and trolling Unz.com from the bowels of one of Hillary’s PR firms to get her message of peace, love, and understanding implanted in anybody who might be reading Mr. Derb as part of their redpilling!

    Next we’ll be hearing that the biggest problem in Sweden is hidden cabals of Aryan Nazi industrialist mass murderer families who rape and torture spergy pierced punk grunge tech genius maybegirls.

    Sorry, Berta Aren’t A Son, but you are like so totally 1990s. Now go away and get back to generating memes about forgiving Bubba for his crimes against cigars.

    • Replies: @Berta Arnason
  49. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/europes-robots-become-electronic-persons-under-draft-plan-170708335--sector.html?ref=gs

    Hey, I think I will be trans-tech. That is my new identity.

    I will try out for Olympic weight-lifting competition with a fork-lift because I see myself as an extension of the fork-lift and vice versa.

  50. @Olorin

    I’m a conservative.

    Yep. That sound you hear is your fantasies crashing against reality.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @epochehusserl
  51. fnn says:
    @Berta Arnason

    “I’m a conservative.”

    You mean cuckservative

    • Replies: @Berta Arnason
  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    John,

    With respect to the Jo Cox killing; while Rotherham is about 20 miles away due south, Calderdale is about 20 miles away due east. And lookee what took place there on Jun 17th:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    Cheers

  53. fnn says:

    Big Money aside, the anti-Trump coalition (both D and R) is bound together by hatred/contempt for the “wrong kind” of white people:

  54. Jefferson says:

    “And yes, Omar Mateen was a U.S. citizen, born in Queens Borough of New York City — just like Donald Trump, as all the Main Stream Media outlets have been gleefully telling us.”

    You could say Omar Mateen was as American as apple pie, that is if the prophet Muhammad ate apple pies.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  55. rod1963 says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Having personally experience this sort of immigration for decades here in Southern California. You are not only wrong but write not from decades of experience, but merely talking points.

    3rd world immigration has wrecked Southern California, it was once, one of the most beautiful states in the U.S. and in many areas a extension of Mexico where the locals experience the same sort of crime that is happening South of the border. In terms of quality of life, the migrants have destroyed it for the native blue collars and middle-class. Public schools are now a cesspit unfit for any student who wants to learn, our medical and social services choking on supporting the needs of millions of illiterate peasants who have no place in modern society, none. Automation is going to replace what service jobs they do.

  56. Post: “Omar Mateen was an American citizen!”

    Riposte: “Sounds like we need to revisit what makes someone an American citizen.”

    Anyway, thanks Islam/repressed Islamic homosexuals for making Milo Yiannopoulos famous far beyond his intellectual reach.

  57. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    How about the concept that immigration, and green cards, might be characterized as a compensation.

    When the movers and shakers, ie corporations and military, want concessions in divers foreign lands, and islands, it would be instantly recognized by the local ”potentate” or warlord, or Chief, that immigration to USA, and Europe, are better than money. Such mucky mucks already are at the appex of the system that they control, and don’t need anything, more than they need to get rid of unwanted people!! And they wouldn’t want to liquidate them, because that is messy, not popular, and can backfire! and, hell they are too nice for that.

    It is the perfect way to get to the heart of those shrewd if primitive … fixers! For one thing, good opportunities for his personal family and friends, IE: immigration in that case with green card and a prepackaged set up, like a all night market or gas station type business, and more for the ”educated” ones… For another thing, it affords the perfect solution to get rid of the annoying members of his tribe or inlaws… etc. etc.

    Why does anybody think it is going on like it is, other than the gaddamned out of control lunatic corporate/ chamber of commerce sellout traitors that run things!!

    I don’t know how you guys don’t see it plain!

  58. @fnn

    I know what I mean and what I am.

    Poor you that can do no more than insult.

  59. Two quibbles JD.

    1. Please factor into your discussion of whst politicians do and don’t say about Muslims and Islam, and what they should say publicly, the impact on relations with and cooperation by Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt,Iraq and Indonesia to mention only the biggest Muslim majority countries not actually our enemies.

    2. Do you really want spouses and children of US citizens to be allowed in to the US tout court? Same sex spouses? Polygamous spouses? Child spouses?

  60. I am a white male who agrees with ekwality. I will concede that if you can’t pass a college course you should throw your books at the white man, I agree there should be no objectove standards in lending or college coursework because that could representative of racial discrimination, I agree that civil rights leaders should use the threat of disparate impact lawsuits to institute quotas even though the supreme court told them not to, I agree that intelligence doesn’t exist except for the purposes of accessing federal benefits or avoiding criminal penalties does this make me a badwhite or a goodwhite? I agree that gays are born that way but gender is a social construct, I think that all sexual practices are equally beneficial by everyone including those that lead to birth defects and spread infectious diseases up to and including inbreeding and fecal play, I believe that women waiting until they are too old to have children is a problem nobody should talk about, does this make me a goodwhite or a badwhite?

  61. @Berta Arnason

    Hurting no one as in voting for politicians that reward family breakup, demanding social benefits out of a system that you never paid into, having children that you can’t afford to feed and insisting that others pay, violently demanding lowered standards for lending and academic for different groups, insisting that white men are the problem and refusing to let them form their own organizations, threatening people for being racist even though there is no possible way to prove that your not racist? Do you think that people such as Jesse Jackson hurt no one? Do you think that interfering with freedom of association is innocent? Do you think that every human being on the entire planet deserves to come to the us no questions asked and receive as much assistance as they say they need no questions asked ? Do you think that baby boomers who voted themselves entitlements that they felt like not paying for hurt no one?

  62. @Berta Arnason

    What are you trying to conserve? The patronage system that has grown up around violent campus activism, the total lack of financial accountability of institutions, the latests political correctness outrage?

    • Replies: @Berta Arnason
  63. @Berta Arnason

    White children being raped in the UK on a repeated basis is ok because even investigating the issue could be indicative of racism. The harm doesn’t matter. That’s not harm at all. What does matter is continuing to overlook tribal violent campus activism groups. A purposefully vague definition of racism allows the moral blackmail to continue.

  64. 5371 says:
    @Priss Factor

    Exes, how can we get to do without them?

  65. tbraton says:

    “Mateen Senior, first name Seddique, became a naturalized citizen in 1989 after coming to this country from his native Afghanistan in the early 1980s.”

    Mr. Derbyshire, I see (by clicking on your link) that you found the information above in another article. By any chance, have you come across anything that tells us when the father of Judge Curiel (of the Trump University case fame) became naturalized? All I have read is that Judge Curiel was born in Indiana and that his parents became U.S. citizens afterward, but I have not seen a particular date for either. Thanks.

  66. @RadicalCenter

    Why will the rot keep spreading out when do much of inner city Detroit has brcome depopulated and the remaining houses and house blocks there have been going for a song?

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Yes, indeed….here you are, a disturb and delusional person,
    Insulting our intelligence with your keyboard.

  68. @Jay Igaboo

    My liberal/reform rabbi friend told or reminded me of something in Jewish religious observance that should be very well understood by Christians who know their Bible (either or both testaments) well. He quoted me the words recited at Passover “remember you were slaves in the land of Egypt” as part of Jews philosophical and principled outlook favouring immigrants, especially refugees or those just seeking a better life.

    And wouldn’t anti-Semites sneer at “people who want to raise the drawbridge behind them when they are over it” or “peopĺe who kick down the lafder behind them”? In my experience Jews engage with sincerity in civil rights orgsnisations and causes just as many rich young Christians did what they could for the poor in the 1930s depression during their school vacations without it having anything to do with ehat their fathers did or how their families made theit money. (Later cp. the Peace Corps).

  69. @Berta Arnason

    I forgot is child sex grooming a microaggression or not?

  70. @Wizard of Oz

    The bible also says don’t throw your pearls before swine. Jesus told his followers to buy a sword. He also smashed the table of the moneychangers. The apostle Paul admonished us to not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers and to not associate with adulterers, thieves and liars if we have a choice. Of course, we cannot discuss such things without Jewish instruction. Why doesn’t Israel have open borders again? Maybe jews need to start minding their own business and instruct us on how to live by setting a good example instead of through social activism, I’m just kissing we know that will never happen.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  71. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    especially refugees

    Except Palestinian refugees?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  72. @5371

    Tell me about them!!
    (which means [ex #N]*[ex #(N-2)]*[ex #(N-4)]*… {ending with ex#2} or {with ex#1}
    Greetings, 5371!=approximately= 10^(17704).

  73. @Wizard of Oz

    Why does Jewish charity always seem to involve having the government do something? If I want to help someone I just do it, no need to demand that other people be forced to do things they would prefer not to. Did the wasp elite ever prevent jews from forming their own organizations back in the day btw?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  74. Svigor says:

    Doesn’t take a genius to see that the more people you import from country x, the more your country will resemble country x. This is not a victimless crime, when country x is inferior to your own.

    This is all without even mentioning that even dumb animals are smart enough to try to keep their own species/race alive.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  75. Svigor says:

    Why does Jewish charity always seem to involve having the government do something? If I want to help someone I just do it, no need to demand that other people be forced to do things they would prefer not to. Did the wasp elite ever prevent jews from forming their own organizations back in the day btw?

    Jewish culture has been around longer than the United States of America, and for at least that long, it has involved Jews coming up with ways to resent their hosts. That Jews always have hosts is sort of assumed, I guess.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  76. Svigor says:

    My liberal/reform rabbi friend told or reminded me of something in Jewish religious observance that should be very well understood by Christians who know their Bible (either or both testaments) well. He quoted me the words recited at Passover “remember you were slaves in the land of Egypt” as part of Jews philosophical and principled outlook favouring immigrants, especially refugees or those just seeking a better life.

    Jews selectively quote their own religion because it serves their narrative. They don’t seem too familiar with the bits of Judaism that dictate they not tolerate foreign religions (they must smash the foreigners’ temples, for example), that they not allow foreign rulers.

    If Jews were really so interested in their religion, so politically informed by it, they’d have opposed Obama’s candidacy, and Muslim immigration, from day one.

    • Replies: @helena
    , @Wizard of Oz
  77. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Listen up everyone. The much bigger issue is that Donald Trump and his White Guy Trump Bros have allowed the majority nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc to define the terms of debate.

    Donald Trump and his White Guy Trump Bros have been reduced to immigration reform policy wonkery;Muslim immigrants need to vetted…we need to have the right kind of nonwhite legal immigrants who pay their taxes and believe in conservative values(like the Hindus and Sihks who have colonized the area surrounding Gruman Corp-where Trump had his really big rally a month and a half ago -for Greater India)…you all know the policy wonk rap.

    The problem with the policy wonk response to the Democratic Policy is that it concedes the fundamental policy of the Democrats..and they are very open about this…that the highest priority of post-1965 Immigration Policy is to import a high fertility highly racialized nonwhite legal immigrant Democratic Party Voting Bloc that is very eager to vote Whitey into a violently persecuted racial minority on Nov 8 2016..and every fours thereafter.

    This is why Hillary Clinton is going to win on Nov 8 2016….Trump can’t win in California…..Texas..and NY…and probably Florida.

    Why are Muslims being imported into the US legally?

    Answer:To vote Native Born White American Christians into a violently persecuted racial minority in post-white America. Everybody understands this very obvious point. Yet Donald Trump and his enthusiastic White Guy Trump Bros have yet to publicly state this unrelentingly and over and over again…Even though it is the very thing that has to be done to mobilize millions of Native Born White Americans against post-1965 Democratic Party race-replacement immigration policy.

    Vetting Muslims?…Why are any Muslims being allowed into the US at all?…The Answer to my very big question above.

    Donald Trump is too little too late for the end-stage rot and decay American Empire. I don’t want Trump extending the life expectancy of this rotting stinking repellant corpse.

  78. helena says:
    @Svigor

    You’ll love the new Narrative; Out Today! ‘Points-based immigration deprives source countries of human capital’. Or in other words, The West must not select which migrants it absorbs from The South or The East. By order of the Liberalitarianist Party.

  79. @Svigor

    Is the host-guest analogy appropriate to the US? Indeed, after 800 years in Poland the same might have been asked mutatis mutandis?

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  80. @Svigor

    Maybe you know lots of Jews and know a lot more about Jews than I do but i was merely accurately quoting a very learned and humane rabbi who was explaining (accurately) an element of current Jewish practice which is consistent with the observable tendency of Australian Jews to be charitable (my word) towards a wide slice of needy humanity. In my own experience of convening an advisory group on important aspects of the criminal law I received help disproportionately from Jewish lawyers.

  81. @epochehusserl

    So? I not at all sure what sort of contrast you are making between what i wrote and your scattergun fusillade of bits and pieces to do with the Bible.

  82. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s been a covert civil war between the Goodwhites and the Badwhites that’s been going on for a long time. The imports and various non-whites and other fringe groups are just troops being used by one side against the other. Diversity is our greatest weakness yet that side seems to have been able to win the numbers game. About one third of the population is non-white and increasing. Their white allies are hard to figure percent-wise but if they’re close to half of the white population then that’s a majority that can vote for whatever they want. The future doesn’t look very rosy yet perhaps that’s the way things go, empires rise and then they fall. We had it all but weren’t able to keep it.

  83. @Wizard of Oz

    The guest host viewpoint is probably appropriate when you have Jewish civil rights activists funding organizations that posit the worldview that white racism is the source of the failure of black and Latino schoolchildren. White racism is all pervasive and all encompassing but selectively malicious. Asian schoolchildren are immune to white racism or are able to navigate its harmful effects for some unknown reason even recent asian immigrants have immunity. White racism is so malicious that it cannot be measured by any known measure objective measure.

  84. @epochehusserl

    “seem” – so you don’t know what the facts are???

    I think you are misinformed. While Jewish giving to the arts, academe, medical research and other charities is no doubt usually tax deductible – like most people’s – I see no evidence that it generally involves the government doing anything. Which countries are you thinking of and what and in what amounts of money are the charitable activities you have in mind?

    If you were to say that they seem to be less often anonymous donors than some others, though I would wonder how you know, I would guess that it might be true for very obvious and understandable reasons historically snd would add that a rich friend of mine started giving anonymously but then was persuaded to let his name be known because it would encourage others to give.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  85. @iffen

    Assuming Palestinian refugees are, 68 years and several generations on, to be characterised in the same way as those escaping persecution that threatens their lives in their home countries now i would say that a lot of Jews are very uncomfortable about them and Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Some actually campaign against Likud government callousness but many I think engage in good works (e.g. with Aborigines) as a kind of displacement activity or to quiet their consciences.

    • Replies: @helena
  86. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @helena

    Helena

    How about 0 nonwhite legal immigrants forever…..

    If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed…

    If a National Origins Immigration Policy had been passed that excluded all nonwhites

    Native Born White Americans in 2016 still a 90 percent racial majority in US, and Barack Obama +Hillary Clinton not a snowballs chance in hell of ever being elected POTUS.

    However, the Hindu “Americans” were so enraged by the idea of a 90 percent Native Born White American racial majority in the US…that they went out brought 75-86 percent of the US Congress to implement their race-replacement immigration policy against The Historic Native Born White American Majority.

  87. @Wizard of Oz

    I used the word seem because I didn’t want to dispute facts with someone whose character seemed questionable. The original thread involved you attempting to equate jewish involvement in the civil rights movement as being on par with rich christians helping poor people. Helping someone with your own resources voluntarily is not the same as demanding the law be changed. The fact that you don’t comprehend the difference illustrates to me your lack of morals or intelligence. The way to resolve these issues is to let private people solve these issues on their own by making choices something you think should be illegal because that would lead to discrimination the worst of all horrors! Someone chooses to not like me because I disagree with them time to call in the secret service! I am not even of wasp heritage and I am getting sick of it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  88. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    If Hillary Clinton is announced as POTUS at 8pm on Nov 8 2016…there will be 125 decibels of White Guy Trump Bros and Constitution Tard Infowarriors shrieking like little girls along the lines of “How could anyone vote for that lying crook”…I can see this nonsense coming even on 6/22/2016.

    At this very late stage in the game “abstract proposition America” still casts a magical spell on White Guy Trump Bros…and their Dear Leader Donald Trump.

    The only question that should have mattered for White Guy Trump Bros is this:”How could the election of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton been completely avoided?”. The answer to this question is quite trivial:No passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act+a National Origins Immigration Policy that completely excluded all nonwhites.

    POTUS Hillary Clinton’s Secretary of State with 100 hundred percent certainty will be Fareed Zahkaria a spoil brat Indo-Muslim Brahman who taunts the Historic Native Born White American Majority about their imminent racial minority status in post-white “America”…and threatens Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia on a daily basis with thermonuclear annihilation from his perch on CNN every night.

    America no longer belongs to Native Born White American Males. The question is:what are they going to do about it?…Secession?…Secession=Idaho surrounded by a majority nonwhite “US” Military…versus your pea-shooter Bush Masters.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    , @Marcus
    , @Rehmat
  89. @War for Blair Mountain

    Its a good question what liberals think should happen to straight white men if they think they are the problem. I would like to know.

  90. helena says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “i would say that a lot of Jews are very uncomfortable about them and Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Some actually campaign against Likud government callousness but many I think engage in good works (e.g. with Aborigines) as a kind of displacement activity or to quiet their consciences.”

    sniff. it’s not a very big wall anyway and the Pals probably aren’t interested in using the coastline. still, it’s great to hear about the humanitarian work with Abos.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  91. utu says:

    “Radio Derb standards — which, just to remind you, would allow permanent settlement to spouses and dependent children of U.S. Citizens, certified geniuses, persons who’ve performed some meritorious service to U.S. policy goals, a few Solzhenitsyn-type high-profile dissidents, and nobody else at all.” – What about JD? What standards let him settle in the US?

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  92. Biff says:

    With only six degrees of separation, being a prick is an equal opportunity paradigm.

    White native or brown immigrant – they’re all the same to me.

  93. @utu

    What about JD? What standards let him settle in the US?

    Native English speaker. I’ve noticed you lot have been getting rather slack about it recently, and someone has to set the standards and lead by example.
    I mean, “color”, “plow”, dropping prepositions and so on? What on earth possessed you? Is it because you spend too much time worrying about bears and snakes?

  94. Marcus says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I hope Russia and China annihilate our major cities if that happens. I live far away from most of them. It will be hard to revert to a pre-industrial lifestyle, but worth it.

  95. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @epochehusserl

    epochhusserl

    Answer to your question:

    Noel Iganatieve founder of White Studies told his class of nonwhite students:”ALL WHITE MALES MUST BE FUCKING EXTERMINATED!!!!!!”

    I reckon that the future for White Males will be chattel slaves on Ophra Winfrey’s plantation and Valerie Jarrete’s plantation.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  96. Jefferson says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    “That other half-breed Italian of Appalachia West Virginia Ancestry…..Lady Gaga…..continues her efforts to homo norm the US Military and Afghanistan.”

    West Virginia? Lady Gaga is from The Upper West Side Of Manhattan. She is as Yankee Doodle as it gets, she is no Southerner.

  97. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Marcus

    Marcus

    I have come to the same repugnant conclusion that you have….

  98. Rehmat says:
    @Jefferson

    How could Muhammad had eaten apple pie stupid when Jewish Christopher Columbus was not even born?

    However, your tribal brother Jonathan Pollard must have eaten hundreds of apple pies that why his pied for a foreign Zionist regime.

    On November 20, 2015, America’s most celebrated spy/traitor, Jonathon Pollard, was released after serving 30 years in jail. His release was celebrated both in Israel and its US colony.

    Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it a “dream come true”.

    “As someone who raised Jonathan’s case for years with successive American presidents, I had long hoped this day would come,” said Netanyahu (here and here).

    Pollard’s ex-wife said she always thought Pollard was innocent, and was persecuted because of his religion.

    Pollard, former Naval intelligence analyst, was convicted and sentenced for life in 1985 for working as Israeli spy for which he was paid $2,500/month and over $50,000 as out-of-pocket expense during his espionage career according to court records. But then he started showing his Shylock nature. He threatened his Israeli handler inside Israeli embassy in Washington, to pay an additional $250,000 for his treason against his motherland (USA), or he would sell some the US secret documents to Russia, Apartheid South Africa, Australia, Pakistan, and some Middle Eastern countries. That’s when someone blew whistle on Pollard.

    Netanyahu who awarded Pollard Israeli citizenship a decade ago, has promised a hero’s welcome to Pollard once he is allowed to migrate to Israel. Several roads and parks have been named in Pollard’s honor in Israel.

    Now, compare Pollard’s treatment by Israelis and the Organized Jewry with another apple-pie eater Jew, who swindled billions of dollars from Americans, Bernard (Bernie) Madoff. In fact, Madoff, instead of taking money from Israeli embassy, funded Israeli espionage in the US. However, his swindling didn’t differentiate between his Gentile and Jewish victims. Several Jewish and Zionist organization also accused Madoff milking hundreds of millions dollars from them to prove that he was not a “good Jew”.

    “Jews don’t want to hear about negative stereotypes. If you talk about what Jews do wrong as Jews, as an outgrowth of their Jewishness or as part of their association with Jews, they don’t want to hear it. It’s interesting Jews don’t mind exposing Jewish evildoers in Yiddish which happened all the time. But you can’t talk about it in English because “they” can hear,” JJ Goldberg, editorial director, The Jewish Daily Forward, commented on Madoff Affair in May 2009….

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/02/pollard-the-good-and-bad-traitors/

  99. Rehmat says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    But darling – those MUZZIES were already living in American continent before the White European and Jews arrived there under Christopher Colombus’ command in 1492.

    When Columbus and his crew landed on the island of San Salvador on October 12, 1492, the West hailed him the “Founder of Americas”, even though tens of millions of Muslim, Christians and Pagans already lived on that mass of land unknown to the Europeans.

    “In reality, the history of the Americas and its people stretches back over twenty-thousand years. It tells the story of a rich continent with thriving civilizations and talented, organized human beings. It reveals, to the objective readers, tales of beautiful cities, abundant agriculture, linguistic and philosophical achievements, high technology, pyramid building, respect for and development of women, highly developed political structure, and extensive migrations,” says Abdullah Hakim Quick PhD in book, ‘Deeper Roots’.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/01/13/who-discovered-americas-before-columbus/

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    , @5371
  100. Rehmat says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Are you an antisemite dude? Don’t you know Fareed Zakaria would be there with marrying a ‘red-blooded American Jewish woman’? He was born to Muslim parents in Mumbai, but soon realized he had no future in Brahman-ruled India. So he immigrated to United States but there he anti-Muslim White Brahmans. He finally realized that the only way to become famous and rich, is to join the Tribe.

    Zakaria has the distinction of interviewing Pakistan’s late ‘super spy’ Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul on several occasion in order to prove that 9/11 was not carried out by Israelis and the local Zionist. Gul had accused Mossad of masterminding the 9/11 on September 26, 2001 – just two weeks after the terrorist attacks.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/08/17/gen-hamid-gul-the-muslim-soparno-dies/

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  101. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Derbkins, this is what the honkers must say.

    The New World nations and Australia have NO MORAL OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to take in immigrants from the rest of the world.
    If whites took land from the indigenous peoples, then whites owe something to the indigenes, not to the entire world. If Anglos look land from the Aboriginal folks of Australia, amends are necessary, and the native folks should be treated nice, with free boomerangs and kangaroo meat. What does the Anglo invasion of Australia have to do with Chinese, Hindus, Filipinos, Koreans, Indonesians, Arabs, or black Africans(aka the ghastly Negroes)? If Anglos ‘stole’ land from the Aboriginals, then they owe something to the natives and TO NO ONE ELSE!

    Indeed, how does it help the Australian aboriginals to lose their land NOT ONLY TO WHITES but to the ENTIRE WORLD? That is really messed up.
    Do the globo-elites who now rule Australia ask the indigenous natives if their ancestral lands should be invaded by ALL THE WORLD?
    If people A did something wrong to people B, then they owe something to people B. The problem will not solved by people A doing favors for people C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, etc.

    Jews seem to believe that white people owe them something wherever white people are.
    Now, if white people invaded the land of, say, the gumniks, sane moral logic would dictate that white people owe something to the gumniks. But Jews say white people owe something to Jews and must open the land taken from the gumniks for Jewish settlement. Eh?
    Does that make any sense?
    All this Emma Lazarus crap is Diversity-Imperialism. She says ‘gimme your huddled masses, blah blah blah’.

    But if US was taken from the Indians, white folks owe something special to the Indians, not to the ‘huddled masses’ around the world. White folks have an obligation to the huddled Indians whose tipees were burned to the ground.
    If it was tragic enough for Indians to lose their ancestral land to whites and be reduced to huddled folks drinking whiskey, how does it help the Indians to have the US opened up to the entire world? Indians will then have lost their land not only to the white men but to every bunch of huddled and hustling shitheads from the entire world. That ain’t no good.

    So, Anglos owe something to the Aboriginals in Australia. White folks owe something to Indians in the Americas.
    Of course, white folks owe something to their own kind as well because it was white folks who ‘discovered’, conquered, envisioned, developed, and built modern nation-states in America and Australia. Without white folks, such nations as US, Canada, and Australia wouldn’t even exist. What does this have to do with any other people?

    In the case of United States, something is owed to Negroes cuz their ancestors were brought by force as slaves. And the Mexicans already living in the SW should be paid respect but ONLY in SW territories. And descendants of Chinese who built railroads(but not the later Chinese and esp not those who come to pull the anchor baby scam). Eskimos deserve special recognition in Alaska, and only in Alaska. Hawaiians deserve special recognition in Hawaii, and ONLY in Hawaii. But US owes nothing to no one else.

    [MORE]

    Also, Diversity Invasion mucks up the special status of the native folks. Prior to mass immigration of the 1960s, American Indians had a special place in the lore in US history. There were Western movies, the legends of great Indian chiefs, the stories of US cavalry vs Indians. Indians were sometimes depicted as Red Savages but also admired as courageous fighters who struggled against great odds.

    So, in a world where it’s just whites and Indians, Indians have a special place.
    But with the mass immigration beginning in the 60s, the native folks whose ancestry goes back 10,000s yrs back in the American Continent have been reduced to near zero in US narrative. And Jews want it that way. Jews want whites to feel that they(the whites) owe something to the entire world for the white ‘sin’ of black slavery and Indian ‘genocide’. But where is the moral logic in this? If whites owe something to blacks and Indians, how is this Justice served by whites importing tons of immigrants? Many of these immigrants out-compete the Negroes(true, the Negroes are ghastly but…) who remain in the back of the bus. And Indians now see their ancestral lands taken over not only by whites but every lowlife moron and jerk from around the world. Also, even though whites whupped the Indians, Indians can take pride in their fight.
    But such narrative is diminished with the newcomers from all over the world. It’s like David Yeagley said. Indians lost the land to whites, and it is up to whites to take care of the land and maintain the narrative between whites and Indians. But whites have forgotten about Indians. Whites just listen to Jews. Jew convinced whites that whites can only ‘atone’ for their ‘historical sins’ IF they do favors for people all around the world. But why? If whites did something wrong to Indians, why do they have to do favors for Chinese, Hindus, Arabs, Africans, and etc?

    Also, has anyone asked the indigenous people for permission for Open Borders? Did globalists ask American Indians if it’s okay for Indians to lose their land not only to whites but to the entire world? Did whites ask native Hawaiians if it’s okay for the fat brown folks to lose their land not only to whites but to yellows as well?
    If whites took the land from Hawaiians, how does it help the fat brown folks to lose their land to yellows as well? Were the Hawaiians asked for permission if it’s okay to lose their lands to yellows as well? Or was it imposed on them?

    Jews have re-programmed ‘white guilt’ so that whites are redeemed only if they favor people whites did no harm to. So, if whites ‘stole’ land from American Indians, they must do favors to Asian-Indians and bring them by the millions. But why?

    Imagine if Chinese one day feel guilty about what they did in Tibet and decide to redress the problem by bringing in 1o million Nigerians to Tibet. How does that help the Tibetans? It’s totally loony.

    According to Jewish Logic, IF WHITES DID SOMETHING WRONG TO SOME PEOPLE, THEY MUST REDEEM THEMSELVES BY FAVORING JEWS AND OBEYING JEWS.
    So, Jews want every white land to offer OPEN BORDERS to Jews from all over the world and, furthermore, to non-whites from all over the world. By increasing diversity and reducing the power of white majority(and dividing into ‘bad whites’ and ‘good whites’), Jews seek to gain power all over the world. Jews say Australia must take in ‘refugees’ from the Middle East. Never mind that this ‘refugee’ crisis is the result of Jewish-controlled US neo-imperialist foreign policy. Never mind that the historical moral burden of Anglo-Australians is to take care of the Aborigines who were there first. What do Australians owe to Arabs or other peoples?

    Huddled Mass Imperialism is a Jewish Ploy. It’s a means by which Jews seek to take over white nations(and even non-white gentile nations). Since Jews don’t have the numbers to become the majority in white nations, they figure the next best thing is to undermine the white majority by increasing non-white immigration to massive amounts. Jews are cackling with hideous glee that whites are losing majority status in the US. Even in Austria, the Green Party won not only because the white vote was split but because immigrants-as-new-Austrians got the vote.

    Some people say, “whites have no special claim to America, Canada, and Australia because they took the land from the real natives.” Therefore, those nations must open up to all the world.
    That is utter bullshit logic.

    I would say whites have special claim to those nations because they created them. Before whites came, those lands were undeveloped and there were no nations, no cities, no industry, not much of anything except natives using rocks to bash gophers on the head for supper. So, whites do have special claim on those lands.

    Now, what about the fact that whites took the land from the natives. OKAY, that is a legit gripe, BUT if whites took it from the natives, white owe something to the natives, not to the entire world. If Anglos took land from Apaches or Pueblo Indians, they owe something to THOSE people. How does it follow that whites must do something for Turks, Afghans, Somalis, Kenyans, and etc?
    And if whites brought blacks to be slaves, then whites owe something to their descendants. They owe NOTHING to other black Africans(whose ancestor captured and sold black slaves to Arabs, whites, and among each other).

    Just imagine this scenario. Suppose what happened in the Americas happened in Africa instead. Suppose white colonists spread some disease that wiped out huge numbers of black Africans without immunity.
    Suppose whites settled much of Africa and became the overwhelming majority. Suppose blacks were driven off many of their native lands. Suppose many blacks were pushed into reservations.

    Once the dust has settled, wouldn’t whites owe something to the black Africans(ghastly as they may be) for the history of conquest, wars, and something close to ‘genocide’?
    Blacks have lost their ancestral lands forever to whites who’ve built great new nations in Africa. Since whites built something great in what had once been savage territory, they can lay special claim to the new nations they created. But since the land was taken from black Africans, whites have a special obligations to offer something to blacks in recognition of historical tragedy.

    Now, suppose a bunch of Jews enter these new-african-nations, gain elite power, look upon white goyim as their goy servants, and convince the honkers that the ONLY WAY they can redeem themselves for having ‘stolen’ land from black Africans is by allowing massive immigration from all over the world. So, New Africa is to be flooded with tons of Chinese, Hindus, Turks, Arabs, Indonesians, etc, etc.

    But how does this redeem the tragedy of blacks having lost their ancestral lands to whites? Wouldn’t the end-result be blacks losing their lands not only to whites but to the entire freaking world? If whites did something wrong to black Africans, how does it help black Africans if whites decide to bring in gazillions of Arabs or Hindus into black Africa?

    Jewish Moral Logic is nuts. We see this in the issue of Palestine itself. Because Germans did something to Jews, ALL whites are to blame, even whites who fought the Nazis. And in order for whites to redeem themselves, Palestinians must pay the price and lose their land to the Jews. How’s that again?
    According to Jews, all whites are to blame for the Holocaust, and to redress the horror, whites must help Jews to take the land of Palestinians even though Pallies had NOTHING to do with WWII and Holocaust.

    It’s like quantum morality.

    You know how in quantum mechanics, if something nano-ish happens in one place, it affects something in the other part of galaxy or something?

    “A particle here can affect one on the other side of the universe, instantaneously”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/6546462/The-10-weirdest-physics-facts-from-relativity-to-quantum-physics.html

    It’s like, IF WHITES DO SOMETHING WRONG TO GUMNIKS, THEY OWE SOMETHING TO JEWS. IF WHITES DO SOMETHING WRONG TO WOMNIKS, THEY OWE SOMETHING TO JEWS. IF WHITES DO SOMETHING WRONG TO INKBATS, THEY OWE SOMETHING TO JEWS. And if Jews demand DIVERSITY and HOMOMANIA as part of the bargain, whites must cave to those demands too.

    But it gets even crazier. Jewish Quantum Morality also says, IF JEWS DO SOMETHING WRONG TO GUMNIKS, WHITES OWE SOMETHING TO GUMNIKS. IF JEWS DO SOMETHING WRONG TO WOMNIKS, WHITES OWE SOMETHING TO WOMNIKS. IF JEWS SO SOMETHING WRONG TO INKBATS, WHITES OWE SOMETHING TO INKBATS.

    It was Jewish-controlled foreign policy that messed up the Middle East & North Africa and unleashed a terrible ‘refugee’ crisis. But Jews say white European nations, Australia, and white gentile communities in America must bear the burden of taking all those ‘refugees’… or else they are no better than the Nazis.
    Of course, Israel doesn’t have to take in a single refugee. Israel doesn’t even have to offer Golan Heights as respite for Syrian refugees. Israel can be a Jewish-Only state. But Austria and Hungary are attacked as ‘neo-nazi’ and ‘far right’ and ‘extremist’ if they don’t open up to hordes of ‘refugees’ unleashed by Wars for Israel.

    Of course, the Diversity Immigration Crowd loves this Moral Logic since they get to act like parasites feeding on the White Whale.

    The Diversity Crowd pick up useful PC and condemn whites for having ‘stolen’ the lands of indigenous folks such as American Indians and Australian Aborigines. But would those immigrants even want to come to America or Australia if white folks hadn’t built great rich modern nations there? They are coming to feed off on white achievement. If whites hadn’t settled and built the Americas and Australia, Hindus and Chinese and Arabs would not want to go there.

    Also, if the Diversitariat or Immigrant folks really feel that white folks did wrong in ‘stealing’ land from the indigenous peoples, shouldn’t they tell white folks to take care of the indigenous folks? How does it help the indigenous folks to see their ancestral lands be conquered not only by whites but to the entire world?

    But Jewish Quantum Morality gets even crazier. In Europe, whites are the indigenous peoples. It is their ancestral lands. But Jews say Europeans can only redeem themselves by letting Jews take over all elite institutions. Jews say Europeans can redeem themselves for the Holocaust only by helping Jews crush Palestinians(who had nothing to do with WWII). And then, Europeans must turn their nations ‘diverse’ and eventually white-minority. The Jewish Way is anti-indigenous.

    Jews tell white Americans, white Canadians, and white Australians to favor global diversity over redressing indigenous tragedy. So, instead of white Americans respecting American Indians, white Canadians respecting Canadian Indians, and white Australians respecting aboriginal folks, they should further diminish the role of indigeneity by opening their nations to the global Diversity Tsunami.

    Before the mass immigration of the 60s, American Indians had a firm place in the American Narrative. Whites took land from the Indians but there was the tragic narrative that paid special attention to Indians.
    So, America was the land of indigenous settlers and white conquer-settler-builders. This narrative emphasized Indians and whites.

    But once America became a ‘proposition nation’ and ‘nation of immigrants’, not only whites but the American Indians were swept aside. Indigeneity came to mean nothing. The same thing happened to the Palestinians.

    And now, Jews are pushing the same Moral Logic onto Europe itself where whites are the indigenous folks. Jews turn Middle East and North Africa, the indigenous homelands of the Arabs/Muslims into the hellholes where so many are displaced. And then, with massive tide moving into Europe, European indigeneity is also upset and threatened. This is all supposed to be so wonderful on the fantastic premise that ‘diversity is our strength’, but only Jews gain in absolute power by playing divide-and-rule among goyim while all goyim lose their lands. This diversity bug has spread not only to EU but now to some East Asian nations. It is like a new global religion. The twin neo-faiths of Jewish-controlled globalism is Homomania and Diversity. (And Negro worship of MLK, Mandela, rappers, and mandingo-mofos).

    When we take a look at the EU, it is so obvious what is wrong.
    Just think. The purpose of European Union is to bring Europeans together. As there are different languages and ethnic groups among Europeans, what all Europeans have in common and possess in distinct contrast from non-Europeans must be emphasized.

    So, even if Germans speak Germans, Poles speak Polish, Italians speak Italian, and French speak French and etc., what do they have in common?
    Three come to mind immediately: race, territory, history. All Europeans are white or Caucasian. Europe is a specific territorial entity. It is not the entire world. And there is history. Though each European nation has its own history, all Europeans are bound by history and inspirational myths that stems from the Greeks and Romans. There is also the element of culture as most European peoples came to share in similar kinds of music(classical esp), spirituality(mostly Christian), and art.

    So, if EU is to work, it must focus on what most Europeans have in common among themselves and in contrast to non-Europeans.

    But EU is under the yoke of Jewish Globalism that reject the natural glues of Europeanism as anathema. So, it is ‘racist’ to mention that Europeans are white folks bound by blood. Instead, ‘race is just a social construct’ and just about anyone can become ‘European’ by matter of the law. So, a white European whose ancestry goes back 10,000s back in the European continent is no more European than a newly arrived black African or brown Pakistani(with 10,000s of yrs of ancestry in Africa or South Asia) who apply for citizenship.
    Europeanism is no longer bound by richness of blood and history. It just about bureaucratic ink and rubber stamp.
    Globalism and Diversity means the elites no longer feel a blood-soil-historical connection with their own peoples/subjects. Instead, globalist elite identity is about privilege. So, privileged European elites will identify more with their privileged counterparts in Africa, Asia, and Arabia than with their own people. Diversity also means that the elites regard their own people only as interchangeable economic units and NOTHING MORE. So, the British elites feel nothing special for the native British masses. If British workers can be replaced with foreign ones on the cheap, all the better. And if British elites are showered with praise by Jewish globalists for snubbing their own people, all the better. Indeed, if a million Pakis were to come to the UK, the elites will accept them as the new Britons who are ‘just as British as the native British with root that go back for eons’. And if the native British complain, they are attacked and even imprisoned as ‘racist’. (But Jewish elites are allowed to show special concern for all Jews. Rich Jews in Israel favor poor Jews over rich Arabs.)

    As for territory, EU is to surrender any notion of boundary. It must merge even with Muslim Turkey. (To be sure, Turkey is a strange case as midpoint between Europe and Near East.) It must be open to any number of migrants and invaders from the Middle East and Africa. Without strict laws to safeguard European territory, there is no more territorial integrity. So, not is the idea of race/blood gone, but so is the idea of territory/soil.

    What about history? Even though Europeans fought many battles against one another, aren’t they still one people? Aren’t they part of a common supra-civilization made up of white tribes of Celts, Germanics, Latins, Slavs, Magyars, Scandies, Baltics, and etc that is distinct from black Africans, Arab Muslims, Chinese, Hindus, etc?
    But Jews took over Western Historical Narrative and say that Europe was ‘always about immigration’. Never mind it was mostly about white-on-white migration.

    Indeed, when Europe was invaded and colonized by non-Europeans such as the Moors-Mongols-and-Turks, Europeans eventually banded together to drive out the aliens. That is how Europe maintained itself and survived. (But then, in later times, Asians and Africans drove out European conquerors and colonizers to preserve their own sacred lands.)

    Jews tell whites that it’s unacceptable to invoke and institute matters of race, land, and history the common glue of Europeanism. Jews hate it because the idea of European race might turn into Gentiles against Jews. Also, if European territory/land is sacred to indigenous Europeans, it undermines Jewish elite domination. Also, if Europeans were control their own history, their chosen narrative would sanctify and justify European heroism through the ages to guard and defend their lands from aliens.

    So, the very concepts and realities that are the most effective tools of bringing Europeans together have been dismissed, indeed defamed.
    Instead, EU is to come together on the basis of Diversity, Negro-worship, Holocaustianity, and Gay Glue.

    The cult of Diversity says European values are all about being ‘inclusive’. But if being ‘inclusive’ is what Europeanism is about, why not do away with the very concept of Europeanism?
    After all, everything exists and survives in relative exclusive mode. If orange juice is inclusive of all other juices, it is no longer orange juice. It is mixed-up juice of everything. Europeanness is a specific identity. If it is made inclusive, it is just global and no different from ‘Asian’, ‘African’, ‘Arab’, etc.

    No people can survive without exclusive policies. Compare Tibet and Mongolia. Due to machinations of foreign policy, Tibet remained as part of China whereas Mongolia gained national independence. As Tibet was part of China, it could not enforce something like the Chinese Exclusion Act. So, any number of Chinese could pour into Tibet and pretty much take over that nation. But Mongolia, as a separate nation with its own sovereignty, could enforce the Chinese Exclusion Act. As such, it need not be overwhelmed by the Chinese ethnic tide.
    Exclusion is the heart-and-soul of national survival, especially of smaller nations faced with the threat of massive migrations. Finland certainly survived by doing what it could to keep masses of Russians out. And how would Israel survive as a Jewish state without policies of exclusion, separateness, and distinctness? If Israel were inclusive of all peoples, it would soon no longer be a Jewish state.
    And if Jewish identity were opened up to all peoples, what would be a Jew or non-Jew? It’d be meaningless. Reform Jews may accept converts-to-Judaism, but even they don’t encourage non-Jews to become Jews. They want to keep it all in the family. Jews will accept half-Jews and quarter-Jews, but they have to have Jewish blood and must choose loyalty to Jewish identity above all else.

    Jews want Europeans to be held together not by race, territory, and history but by pop culture(mostly of ugly rap and homo delirium[or gay glue] and Hollywood fantasies of grown-ups in bat costumes running around), American-form-of-English, shared guilt about Holocaust, and… as of now, hatred for Russia. (Once Russia falls under the Jewish-Homo-globalist heel, it will be ‘cool’. But for now, it is the Absolute Enemy of Europe because Russia is about ethnicity, territory, and history that are relatively independent of Jewish-Homo-globalist dictates.)

    EU under Jewish domination says that Europeans have more in common with Jews, gypsies, homos, Negroes, and Pakis than with white Russians. So, if France become more Muslim and African, that’s what ‘European values’ are all about.
    And if France hates Russia as a white nation that won’t bend over to ‘gay marriage’, that is also what ‘European values’ are all about. (On the other hand, blood-and-soil ideology is somewhat tolerated and even encouraged in Ukraine–even among neo-Nazis–because it’s an effective tool against Russia. Indeed, The Current Rule is “nationalism-against-Russia is good, but nationalism-against-Jewish-globalism is bad.” Jews now use NATO to increase Eastern European nationalism against Russia. So, nationalism is good when it pits European nations against an independent white nation that won’t cave to globalism. But nationalism is bad when white nations want to be free of the influence of the likes of George Soros.)

    Now, English as a glue for EU isn’t a bad idea since English is an European language, a brilliant combo of Germanic and Romance languages. But American English is now the language of the entire globe. Not just in EU but Asia and Africa and Middle East. As such, adopting it as the EU language just turns Europe into part of globalism. Also, since Jews totally dominate English-language press, the common use of language exposes all peoples to Jewish-Homo-globalist-propaganda.

    As for Gay Glue, it can only be a fashion or fad. The idea of an entire civilization held together by the ‘pride’ of celebrating fecal penetration among homos or men cutting off dicks-and-balls to become women sounds pretty nuts. Also, homomania and gender-bender-mania are deeply divisive because it encourages men and women to identify along 50 genders. It is triviality-as-truth. Indeed, the homo agenda made huge gains only through deceit. It associated itself with the colorful rainbow, a Pavlovian trick to make people associate sexual deviance and degeneracy with bright pretty colors. When people think ‘gay’, they don’t think of a penis in poop hole or a man with cut off dick and fake vagina but the teletubby-like rainbow goo-gooberry.

    As for Holocaustianity, it unifies Europeans with self-loathing, eternal guilt, and shame. Are such emotions truly resilient as a glue, especially when most Europeans had nothing to do with the Holocaust? Furthermore, the very people who sacrificed most to defeat the Nazis — the Russians — are demeaned as the worst people on earth by the Jewish Globalists. So much for moral consistency. (Also, there is the matter of Jewish communists, financiers, and pornographers doing great harm to Europeans.)
    Holocaustianity as common thread for EU is also problematic since it contradicts the ideal of globalized ‘European values’. If black Africans or Muslims(who have no love for Jews) are just as ‘European’ as real Europeans and if such peoples have no special love for Jews(due to what Zionism did to Palestine and how Israel was once main ally of South Africa), why should a ‘white guilt’ cult apply to ‘non-white Europeans’? Isn’t it an ‘imperialism of white guilt’? Aren’t white people forcing their own historical guilt onto others who are equally ‘European’? Isn’t this how Palestinians got it in the neck after WWII? Palestinians had to pay the price for what Germany and other white nations did in the Holocaust.

    As for Negro-worship, there is rap, jungle fever, and MLK-Mandela worship. But what is rap? It is about tribal thuggery on the street level. It is the culture of a racial community where punks on one block can’t get along with punks of another block.

    White power is about whites living in harmony with one another so that they can form into a larger power bloc of unity and cooperation. Such emotions and values are expressed in classical music.

    Black power is about black fighting one another at the atomized warrior-hunter level. Each black acts tough and violent and may seem real badass. But such intra-violence prevents the rise of collective black power. So, rap increases dissension and hatred.
    Black Lives Matter only increased freedom for blacks to butcher one another than work together.

    As for jungle fever, it may bring white women together in common lust for the mandingo, but how is mating with Negroes and producing wild-ass mulatto babies good for Europe? Many of these mulattoes will have Negro personalities of self-aggrandizement, aggression, and self-centrism. They won’t be good at cooperation and self-criticism. Their heads will be nappy and their noses flat. European aesthetics will be lost simply because white women are addicted to longdongsilvers.

    Also, mulatto kids will identify as black and milk ‘white guilt’ for all it’s worth. Also, white males will lose pride and confidence as stronger black males kick their ass and take white girls. White European males will be reduced to cuckdom. How is that good for Europe? A Europe united on the notion that white women should give their bodies to jungle-jive savages while white boys all turn pansy and thenthitive and worship some bearded ‘lady’ on Eurovision?
    That is the unifying theme of Europe?

    Globalism presents as ideal EU glue the stuff that actually lead to most tensions, divisions, and problems. It’s like offering paint-thinner as glue. It’s like offering termites for structural integrity of a house. It’s like offering vinegar to treat ulcer. It’s like offering sleeping pills to someone who needs to stay awake or offering caffeine to someone who needs to go to sleep.

    The very things that most undermine long-term EU unity are offered as the best solutions whereas the things that will best serve EU unity — race, territory, and history — are off the table.

    The identity of Europe isn’t possible without consciousness/memory of race, territory, and history.

    Take an individual. Suppose he suffers from amnesia. Given his condition, he will be putty in your hands(like the guy in MEMENTO since the accident) since his lack of memory leaves him at the mercy of your manipulations of his narrative.

    If you have amnesia, you wouldn’t know what people you belong to, what culture you are part of, what is your property, who is your family, and etc. You would have nothing to live for. Thus, you will just follow the advice of people who tell you what-is-what.

    And this is the power of Jews over Europeans. The two PCs — political correctness and pop culture — have filled white minds with amnesia and shame. Pop culture induces Amnesia of white history/heroism and makes white kids slaves to rap music and globalism. And PC instills selective memory of shame among whites for all their ‘historical sins’. PC selectively paints whites as especially guilty and evil. So, all the great white achievements are seen as the result of exploitation of humanity, and whites can only be redeemed by sharing what they have with the rest of the world under the watchful eye of Jewish elites and their homo allies.

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  102. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson

    Lady Gaga’s mother is from West Virginia. When it wasn’t clear that she was gonna have a career homo norming the US Military for the narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foreigner, she went down to Grandma’s home in West Virginia to do some sobbing about her failure to make it as a highly paid degenerate.

  103. Jefferson says:
    @Rehmat

    “But darling – those MUZZIES were already living in American continent before the White European and Jews arrived there under Christopher Colombus’ command in 1492.”

    Yeah all of those Muslim Amerindian Native Americans on the American continent.

    The film “Dances With Wolves” should have been renamed “Dances With The Prophet Muhammad”, or “Dances With Jihad”, or “Dances With Mecca”, or ‘Dances With Allah”, or “Dances With 72 Virgins’.

  104. @War for Blair Mountain

    “5 o’ clock yesterday Copenhagen Bakery Northport….Teenage Jewish Girl proudly wearing the brown Israeli Defense Force shirt…imagine that…”

    Whites threw it all away worshiping sports, and drinking themselves to death in shit holes like that place down in town, Gunther’s. Not too many Jews at Gunther’s, eh?

  105. @War for Blair Mountain

    Even on salon one of the articles said what about those white men if we keep going in this direction and one of the commenters said secession or violence. One of the liberal commentors said that they wished the democrats would knock it off because they are pushing the issue. Eventually what will happen is a genocide like they had in Yugoslavia after it broke down and the only thing that stopped the violence was physical separation.

  106. @helena

    Some of my friends with recent Jewish ancestry (though not identifying as Jews and belonging to clubs which – less than accurately – were reputed to reject Jews as members, qua Jews) are more disdainful of distateful Jewish and specifically Israeli phenomena than i am by far. I, for example, think the wall is an excellent idea and only see a problem in its dishonest alignment and the absence of sufficient crossing points.

    It was your remark about the wall which prompted that addition. Mind you a good lawyer, and why not Jewish, should get damages for some Palestinian property owners for injurious affection.

  107. @Wizard of Oz

    Some Jews join out of altruism but many join “charities” with a hidden agenda, and that agenda is far for charitable.
    Here in the UK, many of the biggest so-called charities are also funded by MY and other Brits taxes, sometimes massively funded and we get no say at all in what they do with our money.
    Many of them are run by Jews in receipt of a massive salary, and they(and the “charities ” they run are relentlessly PC with an agenda I and others find morally repugnant (such as abortion services and pandering to homosexuals). or in facilitating flooding my homeland with often what are hostile low-skill aliens.

    One man’s charity can be another man’s oppressor.

    I haven’t seen much evidence of Jews being particularly charitable to the Goyim. I understand from friends that they are big sponsors and donors to The New York Met- opera is scarcely the most important thing to those on the breadline, but they do put on probably the best operas in the world, and we can watch them here in the UK in a live Cinecast, so my thanks to some Jews for that!

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  108. iffen says:
    @Jay Igaboo

    do put on probably the best operas in the world

    They make damn good movies, too, so let’s give credit where credit is due.

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    , @Jay Igaboo
  109. @epochehusserl

    You have managed to prove yourself very stupid and dishonest in one go – unless you are perhaps so emotional that you can’t see how dishonest your comment appears.

    Let it be noted that you, very foolishly, started the business of insult against someone who has cracked a lot harder heads than your mushy brained one when they didn’t realise they were out of primary school. To wit “character seemed questionable” and “lack of morals and intelligence”. Look out mate. Better change your moniker:I’m coming for you.

    To start with your use of “seem” was not because you wanted to avoid dispute (facts or anything). You indicated plainly in that post that you were raising matters of dispute! The knave or fool question presents itself again.

    As it does when you misrepresent what I have said when you write “equat[ing] Jewish involvement in the [sic] civil rights movement as being on a par with rich Christians helping poor people”. Not smart. You’re trying to punch way above your weight. In the 1930s rich kids gave their time and limited skills to helping the poor. More recently Jewish ptofessionals, businesspeople and inheritors of my acquaintance have given their resources of time and expertise, with or without money, to help others in ways which may or may not coincide with what you (not I you should have noted) called “the (sic) civil rights movement” as if the limited world of Hicksville USA informed all you knew about the world and Jews from different backgrounds in many countries.

    Are you also confused about identity? I note that Edmund Husserl was Jewish. A touch of the selfhating Jew perhaps? An Israel Shamir wannabe?

  110. @Jay Igaboo

    It’s 100 per cent obvious that Jews in a non Jewish country would tend to make their charitable giving serve the additiinal purpose of winning approval or acceptance for Jews or for themselves personally. Not just Jews of course.

    Set that aside and I note your views on Jewish participation in UK charities. But the way you present them sounds just like standard mild British anti-Semitism without facts or quantification. Would you care to flesh out your comment with some solid information?

    If you want to benefit – like me as a healthy non-Jew – from Jewish charity you can see vast numbers of Picassos and Rodin sculptures in LA and in New York public galleries all given by just one very Jewish sounding charity. And go to the Guggenheim (any of them) after you have been to the Frick (typical robber baron non Jewish charity).

  111. @iffen

    And a life in science even without a Nobel Prize (or Field Medal or Kyoto Prize or etc.) adds to all the paintings and sculptures you can see at MOMA, MOCA etc. thanks to Jewish money shrewdly magnified through the tax system that existed before Jewish influence. Happily i see signs of Chinese in Australia doing the same.

  112. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Stonehands

    Whites threw it away when they voted for JFK….Nixon….Reagan…and the Bush Fart Joke Family. They were voting to import the Kenyan Foreigner’s and the Old Farting Bulldyke’s voting bloc when they pulled the lever for these Traitors.

    Kerouac was a degenerate loser who used his rectum as a “vagina” for Alan Ginsberg and Gore Vidal. For those of you who don’t know…Kerouac drank himself to death in Gunthers in the last decade of his life.

    A much better book is “The Road” by Cormac McCarthy.

  113. Now you are threatening me on unz. I can change my moniker but it won’t change the validity of my arguments. I don’t deny that there are many unbelievably talented jews who contribute an enormous amount to the world – nevertheless it doesn’t address the issue. The issue was you equating Christians volunteering with the civil rights movement. What this discussion proves in fact is the importance of allowing people to discriminate against one another because honest people can disagree even on philanthropic issues. Misguided philanthropy has caused many problems in the world. As far as the validity of the civil rights movement I am sorry if I question the goodwill and motives of people who believe that banning iq tests is some sort of remedy for historical grievances as though historical grievances had not always existed but instead the latest manifestation of the poppy syndrome. There is a lot more to the civil rights movement than just getting rid of Jim crow but of course we cannot even discuss such matters because you are looking to crack my skull. Many people in this world involve themselves in things out of a sense of charity that are either self serving or harmful because their efforts are not directed in the proper direction but I’m too busy in Hicksville USA to be worthy of such a discussion. Should I go into the witness protection program now for disagreeing with a jew now that I am a marked man?

  114. @Priss Factor

    Wow! A pity you undermined your case early on by confidently writing of Australia, immigration pollcy and global elites and showing that part st least of your screed was nonsense.

    Even the Labor Party has now recognised how disastrous and unpopular their relaxation (partly under pressure from Greens on their left – very little to do with Jews) of the Howard goverent’s hard line against irregular arrivals by boat. And there is no way the educated, often monied, Chinese and Indians coming to Australia are going to seek to undermine Australias now, again, quite effective border protection.

    Come to think of it Robert Manne, once a cold war warrior later turned innumerate anti economic rationalist anti effective border protection soft head, has at last acknowledged reality. He is Jewish by ancestry married out. His nephew runs a refugee legal aid body in rather meretricious fashion. But my message is: confine yourself to what you know, or be careful with qualifications, if you want your arguments to have credibility.

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  115. @Rehmat

    It’s one thing to outsource your blatherings to cheap labour in Pakistan but can’t you do better than cite your own blog as support? After all three looks at it and one gives up on it having probative value.

  116. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Australia is finished cuz it let in the Negroes from Africa.

    You see, it’s still politically feasible to say NO to Chiners, Mooslims, Arabs, and Hindus.

    But you cannot say NO to Negroes since they are of the Holy Three of Globalism along with Jews and Homos.

    If Aus say NO to a bunch of people, US won’t mind too much.

    But if word gets out that Aus said NO to Negroes, there will be outcry about ‘racism’.

    Negroes will keep coming and mess up Aus real bad.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/06/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-refugee-policy-and-the-african-crime-plague-part-1/

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  117. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:

    What chutzpah.

    See the news?

    The GLOB is trying to exploit Orlando to take away guns.

    Gun Control is about Jewish power.
    It makes total sense why Jews push it.

    Jews are 2% of the population. They are surrounded by 98% that is non-Jewish.
    So, 2% of Jews who are armed would be defenseless against 98% that are armed.
    Now, Jews have control of the institutions and government. So, Jews want monopoly of guns in STATE hands. Since Jews control the state and the courts, the statist monopoly of guns is essentially Jewish monopoly of guns.

    This is all about Jewish power. In Israel where Jews are the majority and keep a close eye on Muslims, Jews are all for gun ownership. In Israel, all Jews have assault weapons.
    But in the US, Jews are a minority elite, and they fear guns in the hands of majority non-Jews.
    Jews promote elite-minority supremacism. Gun control is part of it. So is the homo-agenda. By promoting homos as the New Normal, Jews brainwash the majority to get used to the idea of elite privilege. Jews figure that a straight majority that worships homos nicely parallels a non-Jewish majority worshiping Jewish minority elites. Make minority supremacism the New Normal. The majority only exists to serve the minority masters.
    It’s like the British elites made its non-British subjects all over the world revere the British Queen.

    Of course, from a Jewish POV, gun control makes perfect sense.
    Suppose you belong to a small white minority in a nation that is 98% Chinese or Hindu. Suppose your kind controls the media, academia, law firms, courts, and most other elite institutions. Wouldn’t you be nervous? After all, there is always the possibility of the overwhelming Chinese or Hindu majority rising up to challenge your power? Especially if the non-white majority are well-armed.

    If you are a member of the white minority elite in control of the government and ruling over 98% that is non-white, wouldn’t you want gun control? Of course, you would. That way, the state will control all the guns. Since whites control the state, whites will control the guns. Even if gun control bans ALL people from owning guns, whites will effectively control the power of the gun since they control the state.

    Jews act as if gun control applies to all people equally(including Jews), but this is misleading.
    We may laugh at Jewish Liberals who never fired a gun, but in fact, gun control ensures JEWISH MONOPOLY over guns. Individual Jews don’t need to own guns because Jewish Power owns the state that has the big guns. Even if gun control prevents individual Jews from owning Jews, the fact is Jewish power controls the state that will have all the guns. So, Jews would defacto monopolize guns.
    So, Gun Control effectively means JEWS HAVE CONTROL OF ALL THE GUNS while you don’t have have shit.

    With Jews controlling the government, they control the military and the police. Soldiers and policemen lack individual choice and agency. They must always do as the State orders them to. If soldiers and policemen order to kill whites, they will do so. Since Jews control the institutions, they control the police and soldiers.
    In contrast, white civilians with guns have choice and agency. They decide when and how their guns will be used. They can even decide to use guns to rebel against the US government(that is controlled by Jews).

    Also, Jews don’t need to own guns on an individual basis because they are rich and live in safe areas with lots of police protection.

    But for poor whites, guns are necessary because it’s the only defense against the Willie Hortons of the world, the black thugs who can beat up white men and rape white women.
    Poor whites need guns as the great equalizer against the more muscled black thugs.

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  118. AP says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Agree about western and northern Michigan. Other than Grosse Pointe, Detroit suburbs consist of some of the ugliest sprawl one can ever see.

  119. @Priss Factor

    I hope you are not engaged in providing services in an evidence based occupation because you would be dangerous. Australia has taken in a minute fraction of the available African refugees and not many others. Even when an Immigration Minister decided to bore it up refugee advocates who were protesting against Australia’s effective turning back of people smugglers’ boats by making part of Australia’s small refugee quota African that soon led to reversal. We have just about the right number of Somalis et al to inoculate us against that foolishness.

  120. @Priss Factor

    From the POV of a resident of a country where one is in most areas much safer from gun violence than in most areas of the US that is all fantastical and beside the point.

    Clearly the US couldn’t get to the *relatively* happy position of most other First World countries quickly or easily. But if it wasn’t for grossly dishonest and self-interested lobbying the US could start tightening up bit by bit. Better character checks and delayed handing over of weapons. No automatics. Very stringent requirements for safe storage etc….

  121. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Australia has taken in a minute fraction of the available African refugees and not many others.”

    That is an opening.

    Remember that UK also began with a handful. And then it led to more and more.

    You don’t have the vision. You prefer complacence.

    The fact is Aussies have kangaroo brains and lack the foresight and fortitude to stem more African immigration that will be pushed on Aus by US, EU, and Jewish power.

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  122. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Actually, best policy would be NO GUNS FOR NEGROES.

    Get guns out of Negro hands, and gun violence plummets in the US.

  123. @Wizard of Oz

    Nothing that you are proposing hasn’t been tried. Chicago and detroit have very strict gun control laws. The problem is diversity.

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  124. @Wizard of Oz

    So you are going to go after me for disagreeing with you and now this other person is too dangerous to work with the public. Earlier you were trying to defend Jewish civil rights philanthropy and you stopped doing so. Why even bother saving the world if everyone is racist anyways? The civil rights leaders are more afraid of standardized tests than racism. If the only thing an employer was interested in was your race they would test your blood not your iq.

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  125. @epochehusserl

    Nope. Those are your fantasies to conserve, as you are so doing now.

  126. @Berta Arnason

    What are you trying to conserve if you are a conservative?

  127. Svigor says:

    Maybe you know lots of Jews and know a lot more about Jews than I do but i was merely accurately quoting a very learned and humane rabbi who was explaining (accurately) an element of current Jewish practice which is consistent with the observable tendency of Australian Jews to be charitable (my word) towards a wide slice of needy humanity. In my own experience of convening an advisory group on important aspects of the criminal law I received help disproportionately from Jewish lawyers.

    I think the best way to get a good picture of genuine Jewish sentiment is to observe Israel, where charity is reserved for a very narrow slice of humanity.

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  128. @Berta Arnason

    In an earlier link you claimed that immigration and diversity are ok as long as there is one building standing. Well in Baltimore it appears that the buildings are falling down.
    .
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-vacant-houses-20160404-story.html

    Diversity can’t maintain the buildings.

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  129. @epochehusserl

    Yes it is not likely to even start working well enough in just limited parts of the company to give the needed encouragement to keep up the effort.

  130. @epochehusserl

    Do keep taking your pills – or get yourself an editor.

    BTW disagreeing with someone is OK. Misrepresenting (polite word) their and your own previous words is not.

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  131. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    US exports ‘white guilt’ that favors Jews and Negroes.

    So, the entire world is made to share in ‘white guilt’.

    Australia had nothing to do with American black slavery.

    So, why must Australians favor black Africans? It makes no sense.

    It’s because the US rules world culture. US culture made blacks ‘cool’ and ‘noble’.
    So, every nation feels obligated to import blacks and, of course, worship the Holocaust even though it had nothing to do with it.

    ‘White guilt’ is a form of imperialism. Jews and their mulatto toadies(along with homos) have gained control of the West.
    Promotion of White Guilt means that all whites must suck up to Jews and blacks. Only white homos are partially exempt from this. Their homo-ness supposedly makes them glow with (ass)holiness.

    Since white people, the most advanced and richest folks in the world, worship Jews and Negroes(and homos), the entire world is expected to emulate white folks with their ‘white guilt’.

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  132. @Priss Factor

    Why do you think it worth writing purely frivolous silly contributions on a sometimes informative or reasoned webzine blog like UR? Apart from “kangaroo brains” which is kindergarten level you add to a display of ignorance a total lack of evidence for your assertions about causes and course of Australia’s immigration future. I tend to notice that since I have known personally about eight of Australia’s Immigration ministers over the last several decades.

    Furthermore the small beginnings of the UK’s old empire immigration in the 1950s has absolutely nothing in common with the (admittedly unnecessary and arguably unwise) trickle of Africans as refugees into Australia recently.

  133. @Priss Factor

    Try and get into your thick head: Australia DOES NOT “favour black Africans”. And Australians display very little of America’s “white guilt”. We enjoy our own harmless follies in relation to an Aboriginal population so small and so inoffensive the indulgence is almost a self indulgent joke.

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  134. @Svigor

    Do you write about Israel with any knowledge? Or is your unqualified assertion about Jewish charity there just based on a general impression from afar that Jewish Israelis don’t treat Palestinians kindly?

    From what you say you don’t actually know many Jews, even in America, and your reference to “genuine Jewish sentiment” and its being best evidenced by the way Israelis treat Palestinians are laughably stereotypical of the instinctive anyi-Semite.

  135. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your Crocodile Dundee dammy-ass just can’t see the future.

    Everything begins small. Australia has crazy negroes and are helpless against them. There will be more because the Western Mind is controlled by the GLOB.

    What a dammy.

  136. @Wizard of Oz

    You still haven’t explained to me how Christians helping poor people is similar to jews helping enact civil rights act. I will concede that I need medication. But again what does that have to do with the aforementioned? Prove me wrong.

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  137. @iffen

    They practically own Hollywood, so they’re bound to make good ones, bad ones and complete turkeys, and of course, some great ones . Props for the good ones, but almost all of then follow the PC agenda.
    Oliver Stone I take my hat off to- the son of a Hollywood Jew, very privileged, but he went to the ‘Nam and served as a grunt in the Marines and he didn’t apply for a commission.
    The experience shows in his films, his blue -collar guys aren’t portrayed in a patronising manner.

  138. @Epochehusserl

    I never said that:

    In an earlier link you claimed that immigration and diversity are ok as long as there is one building standing.

    Your lack of arguments forces you to lie. Come back when you can actually explain yourself. If there is something worth replying to, I will. Otherwise, shrug.

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  139. @epochehusserl

    I haven’t explained that because i haven’t said that. It was purely YOUR concoction and a very limited US-centric one at that

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  140. @Berta Arnason

    The fact is that most immigrants live boring, unremarkable lives, that is, they are just like everyone else. If it wasn’t so, there would not be a building left standing.

    **********

    Diversity has not destroyed the buildings we live in but it’s getting ther e
    . Women such as yourself are as dangerous as terrorists.

    • Replies: @Berta Arnason
  141. Avery says:

    {… most immigrants…}

    Depending immigrants from where.

    [ immigrants in East Londonistan living boring, unremarkable lives]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZe5hXodQg

    Why don’t you invite those immigrants into your own home, so they can live boring, unremarkable lives with you.

  142. @epochehusserl

    Still lying, as you yourself have shown.

    shrug

    • Replies: @Avery
  143. iffen says:
    @Jay Igaboo

    They practically own Hollywood, so they’re bound to make good ones, bad ones and complete turkeys, and of course, some great ones.

    Yes, this is true, I hadn’t really thought of it like this. I was just thinking of the recent movies that I enjoy, like most of the movies by the Coen brothers. Maybe sometime when I run out of anything to do, I will make a list of my favorite 50 movies and see how many were made by Jews. OTOH, how will I account for your point? If a factor or input is common across the range, the good, the bad and the ugly, where is the differential value? If most movies, good and bad, are made by Jews, does it matter that the people making them are Jews? Sure, we end up with completely different portrayals of the same plot in Masada and the Jim Jones Story, but that is pretty obvious. I guess I should take a look and make sure both were made by Jews. Maybe if they really do own Hollywood, the probabilities will be with me and both were made by Jews.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  144. tbraton says:

    I notice you posted your very good blog three days before Trump delivered his withering attack on Hillary Clinton’s abysmal ethical record, so it is not too early to speculate generally about November results. (BTW I would note that Rotherham, which you alluded to in your blog, voted overwhelmingly yesterday for Brexit, 68-32.) Assuming Trump retains all the states carried by Mitt Romney in 2012, he would start off with a base of 206 electoral votes (with 270 needed to win in the Electoral College). One “easy” path to victory would be for Trump to win Florida (29 votes), Ohio (18), Pennsylvania (20), and Michigan (16), which seems doable, based on recent polls. That would give him a total of 289 Electoral votes. Without getting into a detailed analysis, Iowa (6) and Oregon (7) appear within reach, and those two would boost his total to 302. (By way of reference, Obama garnered 332 Electoral votes with 51.1% of the nationwide vote in 2012.) Personally, I have the gut feeling that Trump will score an overwhelming victory in November and that he will carry many states that I am not even mentioning here. The purpose of this message is merely to show that a comfortable Trump victory might be attained by carrying a relatively small handful of states.

  145. Avery says:
    @Berta Arnason

    {Authorities in the Austrian town of Mistelbach issued a temporary pool ban for refugees following a sexual assault by a “dark-skinned’ man on a 13-year-old girl.}

    https://www.rt.com/news/348273-refugees-austria-sexual-assault/

    Kindly invite ”immigrants living boring, unremarkable lives, just like everyone else” to your own home, so they can kindly assault members of your own family.

    Put your beliefs where you mouth or keyboard-fingers are.
    Shrug.

    • Agree: Marcus
  146. Corvinus says:

    “Assuming Trump retains all the states carried by Mitt Romney in 2012…”

    A VERY big assumption, given that a number of conservatives aren’t too happy with with the presumptive GOP nominee.

    • Replies: @5371
  147. 5371 says:
    @Corvinus

    It’s not a big assumption at all. Only North Carolina is a potential problem. You evidently know no more about American electoral geography than about anything else.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  148. Corvinus says:
    @5371

    Since 1992, 18 states, plus the District of Columbia, have voted for a Democratic candidate. Electoral Votes = 242.

    Of course, that does not mean Trump cannot emerge victorious–Hilary may not win those states nor DC–but he will need to win Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Virginia, while keeping all the Romney states.

    Again, one presumes that will be the case considering how divisive both are he and Hilary.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  149. Corvinus says:
    @Svigor

    “Doesn’t take a genius to see that the more people you import from country x, the more your country will resemble country x.”

    That’s not necessarily accurate. Immigrants had settled in their own ethnic enclaves in major cities. They maintained their cultural heritage, but their children became Americanized. Doesn’t matter if these groups are European or non-European.

    “This is not a victimless crime, when country x is inferior to your own.”

    You ASSUME that country x is inferior. What are the metrics involved?

    “This is all without even mentioning that even dumb animals are smart enough to try to keep their own species/race alive.”

    Do America citizens who are white have any liberty to decide for themselves their own racial policies, or must every single white abide by a “pro-white” racial policy, however that policy is defined?

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  150. @5371

    It’s not a big assumption at all. Only North Carolina is a potential problem.

    I predict North Carolina will go to Trump by a bigger margin than it went to Romney.

    Bernie Bros voting for Trump, will outnumber neo-“conservatives” voting for Hillary.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  151. tbraton says:
    @Corvinus

    “Of course, that does not mean Trump cannot emerge victorious–Hilary may not win those states nor DC–but he will need to win Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Virginia, while keeping all the Romney states.”

    I did not mention Virginia at all. The four states I mentioned were Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan, all of which seem doable for Trump. It is pretty obvious that Hillary will not draw either the absolute numbers of blacks or the high percentage of blacks drawn by the Obama.

    I also believe you are underestimating that many Republicans did not vote for Romney because of animus toward his Mormon religion. Trump does not suffer from that drawback. Based on the primary results, the evangelical Christians seem to have no problem with Trump, as Ted Cruz found out to his astonishment.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  152. tbraton says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “I predict North Carolina will go to Trump by a bigger margin than it went to Romney.”

    I agree. As I recall, Romney won NC with a bare majority of the votes while the Republican candidate for Governor won his race by 8-10% points more. I suspect that NC may have been a state where Romney’s Mormon religion definitely counted against him.

  153. Corvinus says:
    @tbraton

    “It is pretty obvious that Hillary will not draw either the absolute numbers of blacks or the high percentage of blacks drawn by the Obama.”

    It will only become “obvious” on election night.

    “Based on the primary results, the evangelical Christians seem to have no problem with Trump, as Ted Cruz found out to his astonishment.”

    Which means they lack any and all scruples. They may tout “family values”, but they certainly do not keep others accountable. So much for principles.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    , @tbraton
  154. tbraton says:
    @Corvinus

    “So much for principles.”

    Clearly the evangelicals who vote Republican cannot match the high principles of the liberal Democrats who are embracing Hillary Clinton, the woman who cannot tell the truth, whether it is about her private email server, Benghazi, or the seamy dealings of the Clinton “charity,” which is the closest thing to a political slush fund than anything I have seen, that allows the “bankrupt” Clintons to amass a small fortune since Bill left the Presidency. Now, those are really “principled” folks. It must be her “foreign policy” positions, which consist of voting for the Iraq War as Senator in 2002, pushing for the Libyan War as SOS under Obama and gloating over the grisly death of Qaddafi, pushing for U.S. involvement in Ukraine and pushing for illegal “no-fly zones” over Syria.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  155. tbraton says:
    @Corvinus

    “It is pretty obvious that Hillary will not draw either the absolute numbers of blacks or the high percentage of blacks drawn by the Obama.”

    It will only become “obvious” on election night.”””

    So, you are unable to surmise that black voters will not be turning out in the same record numbers (13 million in 2012, as I recall) for an overweight, old white woman than they did for the first black presidential candidate in U.S. history? Maybe you should ponder these observations from the Brookings Institution:

    ” The black turnout rates of 64.7 percent and 66.2 percent in the past two elections were the highest since 1968 when Census surveys began. . .
    With respect to voting margins, all three minority groups favored Democrats more strongly in the two post 2004 elections (Figure 3). The “tepid” 2004 black Democratic margin of 77 rose to 91 and 87 in the subsequent two elections, the highest margins in 40 years.” http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2013/05/10-election-2012-minority-voter-turnout-frey

    Let me guess. You were one of those political pundits who was “surprised” by Trump’s securing the Republican nomination. I’m still sticking by my prediction of several months ago that Trump has a good chance of obtaining something like 20+% of a substantially diminished black vote.

  156. @Corvinus

    We could get rid of the civil rights act of 1964 and allow people to solve these issues on their own. No need for conspiracy theories. No more quotas or social activism. Immigrants could be considered inferior by failing to pass an English proficiency test or scoring too low on an iq test or having infectious diseases. Just respect property rights that’s all that is needed. Stop assuming that white people don’t deserve a choice in deciding whom to associate with. They should have stopped at ending jim crow. The 1957 civil rights act is as much equality as we like and now we have to deal with the immoral, the ststupid and the incompetent otherwise we are racist. Just give people a choice. End the gramscian revolution. Stop saying garbage like standardized tests are racist, serious people don’t say things like that. Civil rights leaders are more afraid of standardized tests than racism, if the only thing the employer was interested in was you race he would test your blood not your race. I’m partially native american but I don’t announce it, why does it matter what race I am?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  157. Corvinus says:
    @tbraton

    “Clearly the evangelicals who vote Republican cannot match the high principles of the liberal Democrats who are embracing Hillary Clinton, the woman who cannot tell the truth, whether it is about her private email server, Benghazi, or the seamy dealings of the Clinton “charity,” which is the closest thing to a political slush fund than anything I have seen, that allows the “bankrupt” Clintons to amass a small fortune since Bill left the Presidency.”

    Extremely aware of her deceitful ways, so let’s not muck up the waters with the overt hypocrisy by Democrats/liberals in this regard.

    Stay on point. Evangelicals claim to hold the moral high ground. They expound how they distance themselves from sin, in particular no divorce, no philandering outside marriage, no shady business dealings. Yet, they are willing to sell their soul for the “lesser of two evils”. So much for principles.

    “You were one of those political pundits who was “surprised” by Trump’s securing the Republican nomination.”

    You would be dead wrong. Given the mood of the country on the Republican side regarding the “establishment” and “elites”–whatever those terms mean anymore–I was expecting a strong showing by Trump since last year.

    “So, you are unable to surmise that black voters will not be turning out in the same record numbers (13 million in 2012, as I recall) for an overweight, old white woman than they did for the first black presidential candidate in U.S. history?”

    Are you unable to surmise that black voters would characterize Trump as being an egotistical windbag who will take definitive action to shut off the valve to their “free stuff”, thus coming out of the woodwork to support a liberal who will keep that money spigot flowing?

    Again, I will wait until November to see to the turnout.

    “I’m still sticking by my prediction of several months ago that Trump has a good chance of obtaining something like 20+% of a substantially diminished black vote.”

    Fine, predict all you want. Fox News prognosticators stood aghast in 2012 when their predictions failed miserably.

    That is why the best bet is to wait until Election night. Never been a fan of polls or predictions. Too many variables. Too many things can happen now until November.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  158. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl

    “We could get rid of the civil rights act of 1964 and allow people to solve these issues on their own.”

    First, who is this “we”? Second, southern Americans in particular got greedy. Had they made an honest effort at “separate but equal”, then perhaps the Civil Rights Acts might not have been required. On the other hand, the dissenting opinions in the Plessy case stated the Constitution is color blind. Regardless, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and 1968 are NOT going away.

    “Immigrants could be considered inferior by failing to pass an English proficiency test or scoring too low on an iq test or having infectious diseases.”

    How quaint.

    “Stop assuming that white people don’t deserve a choice in deciding whom to associate with.”

    That would be the pro-white crowd.

    “Stop saying garbage like standardized tests are racist, serious people don’t say things like that. ”

    Do you consider yourself a serious person?

    “I’m partially native american but I don’t announce it, why does it matter what race I am?”

    Again, talk to the pro-white crowd.

  159. @Corvinus

    The notion of separate but equal refers to legal equality not having the exact same access to the exact same quality lifestyle. What reason do you suppose that people would build exactly the same facilities of left to their own devices? What major organization that is competitive on the world market has been developed by blacks since the end of Jim crow? Are the accomplishments of whites and blacks equal? If you believe the constitution says that races are equal then why do the civil rights insist on the notion of protected classes? Why are there more black scholars dedicated to the white guilty industry than the producing something of value industry? You are wrong in asserting that blacks wouldn’t have rioted if not for the southerners. The campus rioting hasn’t ended. Endless and counterproductive debates about microaggressions abound. The university is only as good as the peoplein it, and the results are not promising.

  160. @Corvinus

    I consider myself serious because I dont have to resort to nonsense like saying standardized tests are racist. The Asians are overtaking whites and it is doubtful they will care about Jim crow.

  161. @Corvinus

    I gave you my criteria for allowing people into the country and you have none. All governments restrict membership. Citizenship is useless if we don’t keep the undesirables out.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  162. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl

    “The notion of separate but equal refers to legal equality not having the exact same access to the exact same quality lifestyle.”

    Separate but equal was the notion that a black man and a white man had the same legal access to a public accommodation, but from a social standpoint, the state and/or business in that state could separate them socially. The problem was that the legal part was thoroughly violated.

    “What major organization that is competitive on the world market has been developed by blacks since the end of Jim crow?”

    Are you that dense?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/19/march-on-washington-black-owned-businesses/2646703/

    “Are the accomplishments of whites and blacks equal?”

    Corrected for accuracy –> The accomplishments of people may not necessarily be equal in scope and significance.

    “If you believe the constitution says that races are equal then why do the civil rights insist on the notion of protected classes?”

    American citizens regardless of race are equal before the law. When it comes to protected classes, businesses are protected. Women are protected. News organizations are protected. That is how the Supreme Court has ruled.

    “Why are there more black scholars dedicated to the white guilty industry than the producing something of value industry?”

    Why are increasing numbers of elitist whites insisting that whites must always look out for white interests?

    “You are wrong in asserting that blacks wouldn’t have rioted if not for the southerners.”

    Jim Crow targeted primarily blacks in the South. They assuredly would have rioted because southerners created segregation laws.

    “I consider myself serious because I dont have to resort to nonsense like saying standardized tests are racist. The Asians are overtaking whites and it is doubtful they will care about Jim crow.”

    ?????

    “I gave you my criteria for allowing people into the country and you have none.”

    There is criteria that currently exists. Seek to change that criteria.

    “All governments restrict membership.”

    Of course, we agree on that point.

    “Citizenship is useless if we don’t keep the undesirables out.”

    Depends upon how one defines “undesirable”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @epochehusserl
  163. All social entities have domains, hierarchies, exclusions and boundaries even civil rights organizations. The unwillingness of the civil rights leaders to acknowledge this reality is part of the reason we have pointless debates on college campuses about safe spaces is proof. They rioted in the north as well, we have to put up with disruptive students here as well. Why not just limit the civil rights act to the south then? Why do I have to be around such people? You have no criteria for desirable behavior because you are just looking to sue the white man and complain. Remember this phrase and shout it from the rooftops – civil rights leaders are more afraid of standardized tests than racism. If the only thing employers were interested in was your race they would test your blood not your iq. The civil rights act doesn’t apply to small organizations either – we need to create a network so we can protect ourselves from such people.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Your idea that all people are going to be welcome in all organizations is really absurd. The whole history of religious schisms proves that not to be the case. Civil rights leaders have repeatedly been warned to not use quotas to and then they use quotas anyways. They can’t even define what the purpose of a quota is,anyways.

  165. Corvinus says:

    “All social entities have domains, hierarchies, exclusions and boundaries even civil rights organizations”

    SOCIAL entities as you stated. One is equal under the law regardless of their position in life or status.

    “The unwillingness of the civil rights leaders to acknowledge this reality is part of the reason we have pointless debates on college campuses about safe spaces is proof.”

    The debate about space spaces and microaggressions is about the First Amendment.

    “Why not just limit the civil rights act to the south then?”

    Again, are you that dense? Federal laws is national, not regional.

    “Why do I have to be around such people?”

    Live where you want. Interact with whom you want. Just understand that in our society you are bound to come across people who are different than you.

    “You have no criteria for desirable behavior because you are just looking to sue the white man and complain.”

    Show me exactly where I made that statement by which I want to “sue the white man and complain”, especially since I am white.

    “The civil rights act doesn’t apply to small organizations either – we need to create a network so we can protect ourselves from such people.”

    Actually, the Civil Rights Act covers public accommodations and businesses, including small organizations.

    “Your idea that all people are going to be welcome in all organizations is really absurd.”

    Strawman much? That is YOUR idea that you are attributing to me.

    Speaking of definitions, please define “pro-white” and “anti-white”.

  166. SFG says:
    @Sojourner Truth

    Ironically, I agree. The best thing for Trump to do is to tone it down so he gets ahead. He’s already shifted the Overton window.

  167. @Corvinus

    Do you understand the purpose of private property? People don’t build things of value so that other people can benefit. Do Jewish organizations have an obligation to accomodate antisemites and anime fans? If they were would it still be a Jewish organization? If a little diversity is good then a lot might be even better. I’m sure a federal judge could make it happen. Maybe white men need to video tape every interaction with a member of the protected class so no ones rights are violated, I think that is the way moving forward. People discriminate against each other all the time, if asking someone to take as asvab test as a precondition for employment is unbearable the very same test the military uses to determine aptitude then we just need to record everything and have a lawyer on standby at all times. Or would you make that illegal.

  168. @Corvinus

    You were complaining about the fact that I thought that immigration criteria should at least be making sure that people can read and speak english, have a certain iq level and are free from infectious diseases and you disliked those criteria as being quaint. Of course you have no criteria of your own that you would like to replace it with other than complaining about white men. I suppose you prefer to belong to an organization that is populated by the stupid, illiterate and has diseases then be my guest.

  169. @epochehusserl

    You can still be equal before the law and not be welcome somewhere. Why am I not allowed to join a women’s only networking event? Presbyterian minister’s are not discriminated against by not being allowed to preach in Catholic churches because they are different organizations. According to the mlk view of things federal legislation is required but that would be stupid.

  170. @Corvinus

    My definition of prowhite is based upon respect for private property, liberty of contract and freedom of association. People can be equal before the law but still fail at an aptitude test available to everyone and would still be unwelcome in an organization something you are opposed to. I think that if you fail at a test and cannot pay on your own through legal means at a school then you should be forced to leave through force if absolutely necessary. You believe refusing to escort violent student protesters off school property is racist even if they fail the test. I guess I am prowhite. I believe that those alleging racial and gender discrimination should point to an objective third party test accepted by international certifying bodies – you call this racist. I guess I am prowhite. I believe that those in receipt of federal funding must point to objective criteria for handing out student assistance. You call this racist.

  171. @Wizard of Oz

    It was limited to the us because the civil rights act was mostly limited to the us. I like your Jewish outrage, it reminds me that even my social betters can be highly irrational. I know that edmund husserl is Jewish. Where are the really great Jews like him?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  172. @Corvinus

    Businesses and legal entities have always separated people. You want to forbid organizations from separating people based upon someone failing a test though. You are concerned with more than just racism. A white albino would be eligible for affirmative action, so race is more than just skin color. If the only thing an employer was interested in was race they would test your blood not your aptitude or intelligence. It wouldn’t be that difficult to set up a low cost website to find and give those hidden minority gems that you claim are out there but civil rights leaders are not interested in such things.

  173. @epochehusserl

    This is Mad Hatter’s Tea Party stuff. Your rabbiting on about sbout US civil rights legislation has got no place in any response to me. I didn’t mention the subject except to point out to you that it was you, not me, that brought it up.

    And where do you get the idea of my “outrage” or my being “Jewish” (not a drop of Jewish blood in 700 years for which i have evidence)? You are showing some of the same symptoms as Art.

  174. Corvinus says:

    “You were complaining about the fact that I thought that immigration criteria should at least be making sure that people can read and speak english, have a certain iq level and are free from
    infectious diseases and you disliked those criteria as being quaint.”

    Indeed, it’s old fashioned. I, however, never stated I disliked or despited that criteria. Today’s standards are a wee bit “modern”.

    http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/how-united-states-immigration-system-works-fact-sheet

    “Of course you have no criteria of your own that you would like to replace it with other than complaining about white men.”

    
Actually, I do have criteria, that by which is in currently in place. Moreover, where exactly am I complaining about white men? Please be specific.

    “I suppose you prefer to belong to an organization that is populated by the stupid, illiterate and has diseases then be my guest.”

    We Polacks have been accused of possessing these traits.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  175. @Jay Igaboo

    This is Mad Hatter’s Tea Party stuff. Your rabbiting on about sbout US civil rights legislation has got no place in any response to me. I didn’t mention the subject except to point out to you that it was you, not me, that brought it up.

    And where do you get the idea of my “outrage” or my being “Jewish” (not a drop of Jewish blood in 700 years for which i have evidence)? You are showing some of the same symptoms as Art.

  176. Corvinus says:
    @Corvinus

    “My definition of prowhite is based upon respect for private property, liberty of contract and freedom of association.”

    You do realize that this definition has NOTHING to do with being “prowhite” or with “race”. 
Any and all groups are able to abide by these principles.

    “I think that if you fail at a test and cannot pay on your own through legal means at a school then you should be forced to leave through force if absolutely necessary.”

    And what happens when other people in that group disagree with your decision? What about their liberties?

    “You believe refusing to escort violent student protesters off school property is racist even if they fail the test.”


    “I believe that those alleging racial and gender discrimination should point to an objective third party test accepted by international certifying bodies – you call this racist.”

    You have an annoying habit of attributing statements to me that I never directly made nor implied. I imagine that this is your m.o.

    “People discriminate against each other all the time, if asking someone to take as asvab test as a precondition for employment is unbearable the very same test the military uses to determine aptitude…”

    Why would any rationale person disagree with this process?

    “You want to forbid organizations from separating people based upon someone failing a test though. You are concerned with more than just racism.”

    There’s that habit rearing its ugly head again. I guess that is your default button.

  177. @iffen

    Why all the vague waffle about Jews owning Hollywood (or controlling it for that matter)? It shouldn’t be too difficult to look it up. Fox is Murdoch. Isn’t Sony still there? Etc.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @helena
  178. @Jay Igaboo

    Sorry the UR software misplaced my reply to epochehusserl as a reply to you.

    • Replies: @Jay igaboo
  179. @Corvinus

    All groups are not able to abide by respect for private property, liberty of contract and freedom of association. As demonstrated by your next comment: what happens to people who disagree with this way of doing things? Mostly they engage in sit ins and undermine the integrity of the academic process. The irony is that the integrity of the process was what creates the process in the first place not being at yale. It’s amazing that this cargo cult logic has not been applied to other social processes. I would like to see black lives matter protest the surgery trade union and demand that they confer head surgeon status on black men.

  180. @Corvinus

    Why would any rational person disagree with the idea of allowing private organizations the right to use asvab tests? Envy, careerism, lack of integrity, lack of respect for the academic process, white guilt, nihilism, stupidity, lots of reasons actually. By the way who says that everybody is rational.

  181. @Corvinus

    How do you suppose that an organization should determine hierarchy? The asvab test is ok as far as I am concerned. No student debt either.

  182. @Wizard of Oz

    No problem, although it confused me somewhat!

  183. tbraton says:
    @Corvinus

    “You were one of those political pundits who was “surprised” by Trump’s securing the Republican nomination.”

    You would be dead wrong. Given the mood of the country on the Republican side regarding the “establishment” and “elites”–whatever those terms mean anymore–I was expecting a strong showing by Trump since last year.”

    Well, as I have stated several times, at the beginning of 2015, I knew little about Trump and would have bet he wouldn’t even be entering the 2016 race. When he announced in June, I was surprised but not excited. What first grabbed my attention was his attack on John McCain as a “phony war hero,” a position I had subscribed to since 2000 when I first explored the issue in any depth. Then, when Trump issued his paper on immigration and followed up with noninterventionist stances on foreign wars, I quickly became a supporter. I posted numerous posts starting in August 2015 in response to the first Republican debate, favorably commenting on Trump and his chances of securing the nomination. Anybody who is familiar with my posts can attest to the truthfulness of my account, but I can post links to those posts if you desire.

    On the other hand, I have scanned your posts in August and September 2015 and found nothing dealing with Trump. The same result for October, November, and December 2015. I was unable to find one post of yours that described Trump’s electoral prospects in the way you describe. In my book, that makes you a fabricator or, in plain English, a bald faced liar. Since you are much more familiar with your posting history, would you please post links to your messages where you were predicting a strong Trump showing “last year,” which I take to mean 2015? In fact, what I find striking about your many messages from August through December 2015 is the total absence of any discussion about politics and the rather exciting political race going on in the Republican Party. In fact, one could read all your messages from August through December 2015 and not have a clue that this was a Presidential election year. This stands in complete contrast to my posts which discuss politics extensively, including many favorable references to Trump’s actions and his chances of victory. In fact, I came across this message of yours in connection with Sailer’s blog of December 7, 2015 re Donald Trump’s call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration “until we find out what the hell is going on” hardly reflects a poster enthusiastic about Trump’s electoral prospects:
    “Mr. Anon—Wow. It’s like this Trump guy thinks that politicians should actually carry out the wishes of their constituents.
    SOME of their constituents, mind you. ” Message #50, https://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-calls-for-moratorium-on-muslim-immigration-until-our-countrys-representatives-can-figure-out-what-is-going-on/#comment-1252525

    I also found that many other posters have objected to your rather unusual style of posting, which seems to me like the equivalent of a drive-by shooter blasting by-standers at random. Most of your posts do not respond to the main article but consist of a compilation of nit-picking responses to various comments made in response to the main article. As a result, it is very difficult to determine what your main themes are, apart from an overriding concern for the Muslims who may be denied entry into the Christian promised land of the United States of America, where Muslims had no substantial presence before the Immigration Act of 1965. For example, poster PhysicistDave stated last fall “I am trying to be gentle, Corvinus, but the way you try to “discourse” here is most assuredly not how the overwhelming majority of highly intelligent, educated people I have known communicate.” Poster Joe Don Bob wrote on December 19, 2015: “Corvinus, Who died and left you in charge of reviewing comments? C’mon, man. Contribute to the discussions at hand.” You responded to JoeDonBob as follows:
    “Listen, if someone is going to make a claim, like every poster here, and they are called upon to offer a source, like every poster here, that is contributing. I am “reviewing comments” by requesting that evidence be used in their arguments, rather than far-flung generalizations.”
    After a few unsatisfactory exchanges with you in November, I gave up, dismissed you as a troll, and never again responded to your messages until this current thread. I plan on reverting to my prior practice.

    BTW one recurring meme I discovered in scanning your messages is the frequent reference to “da Jews,” an expression that is not in my vocabulary and have never used. That phrase does remind me of another poster, “Boris,” who seems to exhibit the same liberal-leaning political attitude as you and deep concern for Muslims and Jews. My feeling is that Corvinus and Boris are the same poster.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    , @tbraton
  184. tbraton says:
    @tbraton

    I forgot to add a couple of points to my prior message (#188).

    “That is why the best bet is to wait until Election night. Never been a fan of polls or predictions. Too many variables. Too many things can happen now until November.”

    Except for your fantasy selection of Donald Trump, right, Corvinus? The fact that you have “never been a fan of polls or predictions” may explain why I can’t find that post of yours from 2015 that you claim presciently predicted Trump’s success in obtaining the nomination. It just doesn’t exist because that is not your style, by your own admission.

    “Extremely aware of her [Hillary Clinton’s] deceitful ways, so let’s not muck up the waters with the overt hypocrisy by Democrats/liberals in this regard.
    Stay on point. Evangelicals claim to hold the moral high ground. They expound how they distance themselves from sin, in particular no divorce, no philandering outside marriage, no shady business dealings. Yet, they are willing to sell their soul for the “lesser of two evils”. So much for principles.”

    That’s right, Corvinus, let’s keep focused on the purpose of comments here at unz.com, which you clearly think should be confined to criticism of Donald Trump and the Republican Party without creating confusion by introducing criticism of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Just think of your utter hypocrisy. It looks like it’s going to be essentially a two-person race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, which means the dishonest woman is fair game. But you say we shouldn’t “muck up the waters” by introducing well-deserved criticism of Ms. Clinton. Let’s focus on the “hypocrisy” of the evangelicals without saying a word about the “hypocrisy” of the BLM movement or the Brown Shirt tactics of those Mexican thugs protesting at Trump rallies. What a total hypocrite. That explains why you have nothing to say in defense of Hillary Clinton’s warlike foreign policy, which is flirting with WWIII imo.

    BTW one observation which I left out is your total lack of humor. You come across as an academic at a third-rate college with your faux-Socratic method of “dialogue” and your scatter-gun criticisms of various comments, which come across as criticisms a college professor might make in the margins of an essay submitted by an undergraduate, cryptic and not especially illuminating.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  185. Corvinus says:
    @tbraton

    “On the other hand, I have scanned your posts in August and September 2015 and found nothing dealing with Trump. The same result for October, November, and December 2015. I was unable to find one post of yours that described Trump’s electoral prospects in the way you describe. In my book, that makes you a fabricator or, in plain English, a bald faced liar.”

    Just because I failed to post on the subject does not mean I neglected to have conversations with family members and friends regarding Trump and his politics. It’s nice that you care so deeply about my posting history and my failure to satisfy your curiosity. I will make it my mission to keep your wishes in mind, my liege.

    ‘In fact, what I find striking about your many messages from August through December 2015 is the total absence of any discussion about politics and the rather exciting political race going on in the Republican Party. In fact, one could read all your messages from August through December 2015 and not have a clue that this was a Presidential election year.”

    
Just because a person fails to post about a topic on a blog does not mean their interest level is low, nor does not it mean that not sharing their opinion equates to being ignorant of current events. I certainly don’t have to impress you, nor do I care if you believe me.

    The fact remains that even though I did not publicly state on this fine blog Trump’s chances, I discussed this topic among people I intimately know. Believe me, don’t believe, I don’t care.

    “Most of your posts do not respond to the main article but consist of a compilation of nit-picking responses to various comments made in response to the main article.”

    Correct, in an effort to ascertain what people actually mean rather than make general statements. For example, when people here talk about being “pro-white” or “anti-white”, from my perspective, there has been a lack of cogent and consistent definition as to what they mean. Moreover, when someone white outwardly states or intimates that all whites MUST or OUGHT TO look out for white interests lest they support “white genocide”, that is irrational and illogical. People can make their own decisions regarding race and culture. If some whites desire to form groups and promote “white interests”, have at it. Just don’t call me and millions of other whites “race traitors”.

    “For example, poster PhysicistDave stated last fall “I am trying to be gentle, Corvinus, but the way you try to “discourse” here is most assuredly not how the overwhelming majority of highly intelligent, educated people I have known communicate.”

    
PhysicistDave also attempted to use his pop psychology degree to label me as having mental issues. He said he really cared about my well being and wanted to help me. Please…

    “After a few unsatisfactory exchanges with you in November, I gave up, dismissed you as a troll, and never again responded to your messages until this current thread. I plan on reverting to my prior practice.”

    The train is just fine.

    “My feeling is that Corvinus and Boris are the same poster.”



    No, we assuredly are not the same poster. You also realize that some people here have an obsession with Jews and Muslims, right? That they are, in essence, dangerous to “whites”. Do you subscribe to that line of thinking as well?

    “The fact that you have “never been a fan of polls or predictions” may explain why I can’t find that post of yours from 2015 that you claim presciently predicted Trump’s success in obtaining the nomination.”

    

YOU are making a big deal out of it. I did not post anything on this matter. Wow, just wow.

    I was not obligated to, nor was it my responsibility to make sure you, tbraton, understood completely about Trump and his opportunity to make headway in the Republican race for the presidential nomination.

    “It looks like it’s going to be essentially a two-person race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, which means the dishonest woman is fair game.”

    Both are dishonest. Both are hypocrites. Both are fair game.

    “Let’s focus on the “hypocrisy” of the evangelicals without saying a word about the “hypocrisy” of the BLM movement or the Brown Shirt tactics of those Mexican thugs protesting at Trump rallies. What a total hypocrite. That explains why you have nothing to say in defense of Hillary Clinton’s warlike foreign policy, which is flirting with WWIII imo.”

    Perhaps, or perhaps not, you are one of those evangelicals who are going to vote for Trump and have a guilty conscience as a result. Trump does NOT represent what they stand for. If evangelicals vote for him, great. But they are hypocritical. That is a fact.

    “You come across as an academic at a third-rate college with your faux-Socratic method of “dialogue” and your scatter-gun criticisms of various comments.”



    And you come across as an elitist know it all who is coming unhinged because I dared to call out a specific group as abandoning what they stand for by voting for someone who clearly has violated the standards they supposedly adhere to on a regular basis.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    , @epochehusserl
  186. Corvinus says:

    It will be interesting whether evangelicals follow this lead…

    http://religionnews.com/2016/06/21/7-conservative-christians-who-are-not-supporting-trump/

    or this lead…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/us/politics/a-born-again-donald-trump-believe-it-evangelical-leader-says.html?_r=0

    This source says support for Trump by evangelicals is overblown and overstated.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/march-web-only/actually-most-evangelicals-dont-vote-trump.html

    Perhaps one needs to define what “evangelical” means. From the source–“Furthermore, there continues to be strong evidence that the more religious a voter is, the less likely they are to support Donald Trump.”

  187. iffen says:

    But they are hypocritical. That is a fact.

    This is not a fact.

    Some of them might vote for Trump because on a war mongering scale of 1-10, he is about a 4-5 while Hilary is a 9-10.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  188. tbraton says:
    @Corvinus

    “Just because I failed to post on the subject does not mean I neglected to have conversations with family members and friends regarding Trump and his politics. It’s nice that you care so deeply about my posting history and my failure to satisfy your curiosity. I will make it my mission to keep your wishes in mind, my liege.”

    Ha, ha, ha, ha. So the “man” who doesn’t believe (by his own admission) in making predictions and makes none in his extensive postings on unz.com actually makes such predictions to his family and friends and only comes here, AFTER THE FACT, to let us unworthies know that he called the race correctly back in 2015. I was somewhat surprised to discover that you never comment on politics since I don’t attach a lot of importance to your messages (originally, I was going to scan just your messages for August but after finding nothing there dealing with Trump moved on to September and, then, October and, then, November and, then, December), but, when no posts dealing with Trump turned up, I realized you were a lying bullshitter who liked to predict only when it was totally safe, after the contest was decided. I “bet” you called this year’s Super Bowl after the game was over. (On the day of the SB, Sailer had an open thread seeking SB predictions and predictions re the NH primary two days later. I posted BEFORE THE GAME that Denver would win 24-21 and that Trump would win NH comfortably.) What that demonstrates, Corvinus, is that you lack the balls to make a real time prediction before the game is played because you are afraid that a bad call will make you look silly. No balls, in other words.

    BTW, here are your original words: “Given the mood of the country on the Republican side regarding the “establishment” and “elites”–whatever those terms mean anymore–I was expecting a strong showing by Trump since last year.” ” Notice how you left the impression that you actually posted about Trump’s victory on unz.com last year and said nothing about how you predicted that just to your friends and family, something no one here can possibly disprove. No wonder you confine your petty little nit-picking of others’ comments to generalized philosophical BS. Nobody can prove you wrong, right, Corvinus?

    “I was not obligated to, nor was it my responsibility to make sure you, tbraton, understood completely about Trump and his opportunity to make headway in the Republican race for the presidential nomination.”

    Well, sorry to disappoint you, Corvinus, but I really don’t need you to make things clear to me. I am perfectly confident in my own intelligence and knowledge and don’t need a half-baked academic type to enlighten me. Back on April 13, I set out my own analysis of the remaining 16 Republican primaries (a week before NY’s primary) on Derbyshire’s blog. The next day I found on RCP a similar effort by Nate Silver of “538” fame, posted a link on Derbyshire’s blog and offered my analysis and criticism. Bottom line: after the first two rounds, I had bested the “great” Nate Silver by 100 delegates. I called Trump the clear winner from the start while Silver predicted Trump would fall short by roughly 80 delegates after June 7. See https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/demography-is-electoral-destiny-will-midwest-niceness-be-a-problem-for-trump/#comment-1385822 (you can click on my replies at the end to trace my subsequent posts on the subject as the process moved forward or you can simply scan the rest of that Derbyshire thread to find my follow-up messages). That comment represented real time analysis and prediction by me which turned out to be remarkably accurate. So bug off.

    The reason I went into such depth analyzing your posts was to show other posters here that you are an annoying, arrogant troll who should be ignored by everybody because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. In other words, don’t feed the troll.

    BTW I am not an evangelical, as you erroneously surmise. I have made it clear on numerous occasions that I have been nonreligious since I was 13 or 14 years old. Call me an agnostic, like my old friend Albert Einstein.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  189. tbraton says:
    @iffen

    “Some of them might vote for Trump because on a war mongering scale of 1-10, he is about a 4-5 while Hilary is a 9-10.”

    I beg to differ. Trump is a 1-2 at most while Hillary is a clear 10, if not beyond. After all, she voted for the Iraq War in 2002 as a Senator, pushed for the Libyan War as SOS under Obama, pushed for involvement in Ukraine as SOS, and has called for “no-fly zones” over Syria as a candidate, while Trump has spoken out in opposition on each. My god, Trump attacked GWB about Iraq in the SC primary a week before the SC primary. Stop and think about that: SOUTH CAROLINA. That takes balls. Trump has also talked about pulling out our troops from South Korea and implied he would be ready to disband NATO.

    • Replies: @iffen
  190. @Corvinus

    Some protestors in the UK were holding up signs that said death to all white men. None of the protestors have any respect for private property, liberty of contract or freedom of association. What do you think the appropriate response to such people is from the white male perspective?

    • Replies: @Talha
  191. iffen says:
    @tbraton

    Your opinion may be more accurate.

    I just hope that he emphasizes her war mongering; I think that there are a lot of votes on the table to be had by proposing a saner use of the military.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  192. Corvinus says:
    @tbraton

    ***You–“You were one of those political pundits who was “surprised” by Trump’s securing the Republican nomination.”

    Me–You would be dead wrong. Given the mood of the country on the Republican side regarding the “establishment” and “elites”–whatever those terms mean anymore–I was expecting a strong showing by Trump since last year.***

    It’s called context, something you are clearly failing to grasp. You assumed that I would have been surprised by Trump’s political success in the Republican presidential primaries. I replied
    that I had thought he would perform well. You then accused me of being a person who doesn’t make predictions who made a prediction, in essence being hypocritical. However, I was responding SPECIFICALLY to this statement YOU made**. I had been under NO obligation to reveal, nor did I feel compelled to, offer insight as to when and where and how and why my belief in Trump’s potential as a candidate nor his performance in a crowded field. You insist that I “left an impression that you actually posted about Trump’s victory on unz.com last year and said nothing about how you predicted that just to your friends and family.” But I wasn’t leaving any impression to that end, that is YOUR ERRONEOUS assumption that I OUGHT to have made it clear.

    **”“I’m still sticking by my prediction of several months ago that Trump has a good chance of obtaining something like 20+% of a substantially diminished black vote.”

    Fine, predict all you want. Fox News prognosticators stood aghast in 2012 when their predictions failed miserably. That is why the best bet is to wait until Election night. Never been a fan of polls or predictions. Too many variables. Too many things can happen now until November.**

    Note that I was exclusively focusing on polls and predictions regarding ELECTION NIGHT. That is, a poll or prediction over who is going to win the PRESIDENCY, NOT PARTY NOMINEE. Again, I was under no obligation to make the distinction. I merely responded to your statement***, which you manufactured into some gotcha moment.

    “What that demonstrates, Corvinus, is that you lack the balls to make a real time prediction before the game is played because you are afraid that a bad call will make you look silly. No balls, in other words.”

    What it demonstrates is that you are playing the role of political operative to make something out of nothing. My family and friends had discussed the GOP and Democratic presidential fields. I had said that I would not be surprised if he fared well. That’s it. You’re making this into the Spanish Inquisition merely because I failed in your eyes to offer background information and because of YOUR assumption that I am trying to impress people of my soothsaying ability. I couldn’t care less if you predicted that Denver would win the Superbowl on this fine blog.

    “I set out my own analysis of the remaining 16 Republican primaries (a week before NY’s primary) on Derbyshire’s blog. The next day I found on RCP a similar effort by Nate Silver of “538″ fame, posted a link on Derbyshire’s blog and offered my analysis and criticism. Bottom line: after the first two rounds, I had bested the “great” Nate Silver by 100 delegates. I called Trump the clear winner from the start while Silver predicted Trump would fall short by roughly 80 delegates after June 7. See https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/demography-is-electoral-destiny-will-midwest-niceness-be-a-problem-for-trump/#comment-1385822 (you can click on my replies at the end to trace my subsequent posts on the subject as the process moved forward or you can simply scan the rest of that Derbyshire thread to find my follow-up messages). That comment represented real time analysis and prediction by me which turned out to be remarkably accurate. So bug off.”

    It appears my prediction that you, as an elitist know it all who is coming unhinged, has come to fruition. I’m sure your mother is proud of you. Great, you made a prediction that bested some math guru. Listen, why don’t you openly challenge him on some sort of topic. Demonstrate your statistical analysis acumen. Have it on YouTube. Wipe the floor with him. Then I may be actually impressed.

    “The reason I went into such depth analyzing your posts was to show other posters here that you are an annoying, arrogant troll who should be ignored by everybody because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. In other words, don’t feed the troll.”

    More power to you. I’m still going to comment here on a somewhat regular basis. If you think I’m a troll and shouldn’t be fed, big deal.

    “I have made it clear on numerous occasions that I have been nonreligious since I was 13 or 14 years old.”

    That’s a shame.

  193. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    vague waffle

    You and I do not agree on the meaning of waffle.

    Anyway, I took a few minutes to see who created the two films that I mentioned; lots of steins and bergs, a Goldschmidt, Sagal, one guy’s mother was a Wexler. I didn’t try to find out the names of grandparents.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  194. helena says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You’re replying to a comment made to someone other than you in a way that comes across as sensitive to discussion of Jewish power and yet you have no Jewish ancestors. It is mysterious. Do you have a Jewish partner or other Jewish members within the extended family or, what would you say drives your interest in defending Jewish sensibilities, on the internet?

  195. @iffen

    I wasn’t directing my reference to “waffle” at you but your reply to another made it the convenient place to say it.

  196. @helena

    My relations with the Jews I know have always been good and as uncomplicated as with anyone else but nothing specially close apart from nieces with part Jewish father who are all atheists.

    If you think I defend Jews it is probably just the result of my contrarian and pedantic instincts formed early at the family dinner table. That combined with UR being the site of irritating and mindless error and stupidity, of the kind I find it difficult to resist responding to, which happens to be heavily concentrated on anti-semitic boorishness. Consistently with my preference for precision I have been moving towards a better appreciation of the Israel lobby’s influence on American policy and giving the subject the attention that is needed for accurate definition.

    I have gone through much the same process with the “truthers” and the anti-Ukrainian bloggers though I have pretty well satisfied myself that there is no serious 9/11 case to answer and would need something new and quite startling to engage my interest further.

    And on Ukraine I have a source of information that I regard as very superior to anything I get on UR though there are peripheral “realist” arguments
    worth considering about the wisdom of US policy wrt Russia (and Ukraine).

  197. iffen says:

    UR being the site of irritating and mindless error and stupidity

    This abounds here at UR in many areas. Why concentrate exclusively on “the Jewish Question”?

  198. @helena

    You refer to Jewish “power” which is what obsesses most of the anti-semites on UR – sometimes tagged as “ownership” of governments, central banks or whatever.

    Partly prompted by UR comments but also by a recently acquired good knowledge of the place of money in US politics, I tend to think of Israeli/Jewish influence through money rather than power. It is so easy to buy politicians in the US compared to most other democratic countries that it obviously happens, but not just for Israel or any ethnic group.

    • Replies: @helena
  199. tbraton says:
    @iffen

    “I just hope that he emphasizes her war mongering; I think that there are a lot of votes on the table to be had by proposing a saner use of the military.”

    I couldn’t agree more. I would point out, however, that foreign affairs do not poll high as an issue Americans really care about, for some strange reason, since foreign affairs are the one area where a President has great latitude to exert his will in whatever direction he wants to take the country. I think Trump could serve the country well by forcing it to think about foreign affairs.

    Back in August 2015, I made the point that Trump should follow Reagan’s good lead and focus on just a handful of issues and just hammer away at them. https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/hillary-nominee-or-indictee/#comment-1081138 At that time, I suggested immigration (where he hit a home run, imo, with his position paper about a month earlier), political correctness (I raised it in the context of BLM taking over Bernie Sanders’ rally, which I found appalling even before BLM turned their guns on Trump), tax simplification, and noninterventionist foreign policy. Months later I refined that short list, downplaying tax simplification. Lately, we have seen Trump slam “Crooked Hillary” over her private email server, Benghazi, the Clintons’ political slush-fund charity and her general dishonesty. Thus, I think the four main issues Trump should focus on this election are (1) immigration, (2) political correctness, (3) “Crooked Hillary” and all that entails, and (4) noninterventionist foreign policy and avoiding wasteful, destructive foreign wars. (The last issue would also be an effective retort against Hillary’s charge that Trump can’t be trusted with his finger on the nuclear trigger. She’s the one proposing our involvement in one war after another, and she’s questioning Trump as a “risky” President?)

  200. helena says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “You refer to Jewish “power” which is what obsesses most of the anti-semites”

    In the UK we don’t talk about the power of different ethnic groups. We try to avoid talking about ethnic groups. But we talk a lot about Communi’ies. Communi’ies, ideally, are multi-ethnic but Black, Jewish and Asian Communi’ies are frequently mentioned.

    At UR, I’m sure I’ve seen talk of WASP power.

    It seems OK to discuss power or influence or money or culture or dingbats of any group of people who identify with each other as a group distinct from the surrounding citizenship.

  201. iffen says:

    foreign affairs do not poll high as an issue Americans really care about

    True, but he desperately needs help with educated white women and I think this issue could make a difference with them.

    focus on just a handful of issues and just hammer away at them.

    Absolutely! iffen, tbraton and Scott Adams all can’t all be wrong.

  202. helena says:

    “it is probably just the result of my contrarian and pedantic instincts formed early at the family dinner table

    ? elbows and such like? do you know the meaning of LYFSYM? my mother used to say it all the time, it means let your food stop your mouth.

    “heavily concentrated on anti-semitic boorishness.”

    au contraire, it is the only interesting story in town. How a small group of people from the middle-east migrated into europe and finally after centuries of persecution and long march through the institutions plus a technological revolution ended up running europe through an institution as equally unelected as the aristocratic families it replaces. Indeed, the EU is called ‘a family’. And yet, it has been clear from the start that some Jewish people favoured Brexit and one survey I’ve seen reports their vote at 54%. Watching CNBC today Larry Kudlow was in favour of Brexit and called it Magna Carta II, Kempe on the other hand was fiercely anti-Brexit. Are either of them Jewish?

  203. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl

    Expulsion if they are not citizens – immediate and without question (if you hold that sign, even if some guy asked you to hold it for him while he went to take a leak – you are gone). And if they are, prosecution on any legal grounds that proscribe incitement to violence just as if a white person was holding a similar sign about darkies – British law should not be recognizing privileged classes.

    Appropriate enough?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  204. Yes it’s only Jews and bankers to whom power rather than influence or community views are attributed. And that seems to be more in the US where the sense of alienation and remoteness from the seats of power is more strongly felt.

    • Replies: @helena
    , @epochehusserl
  205. tbraton says:
    @tbraton

    “Poster Joe Don Bob wrote on December 19, 2015: “Corvinus, Who died and left you in charge of reviewing comments? C’mon, man. Contribute to the discussions at hand.” ”

    I just want to issue an abject apology to JIMDonBob for misspelling his screen name, but I wish to say a few things in defense of my blunder. First, I got the first letter, “J,” right, and that should count for something. In fact, I took the time to review my contract with Trump University. While there is no provision in that contract guaranteeing you a meeting with Donald Trump, there is a subsection stating that your grade on a test cannot be reduced below A- if you misspell a word as long as you get the first letter right. So, despite all the denigration Trump has received over T.U., I want to rise in his defense and state clearly that $35,000 does buy you something worthwhile: protection against irrational grade deflation. If you think that is not worth anything, just look at what happened to the British pound in the last few days. Secondly, I want to point out that remembering a screen name with three first names in it is really hard. Why doesn’t Jim Don Bob reach into his pocket and buy himself a last name? I notice on “Wheel of Fortune” contestants are allowed to “purchase a vowel.” I would suggest that JDB use a little bit of his great fortune to “buy” a last name. If he is short of cash, I would willing to advance him a $10 bill (with Alexander Hamilton on it) at a mere charge of 10% interest each week.

    • Replies: @iffen
  206. iffen says:
    @tbraton

    Shit like this is why I once asked if the t stood for tedious.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    , @iffen
  207. tbraton says:
    @iffen

    “Shit like this is why I once asked if the t stood for tedious.”

    And responses like that are why I asked back in August 2015 whether the “i” in “iffin” stood for idiot. Why in the world would you respond to a post that wasn’t directed at you or involve you in any way? You are obviously one of the dumb Jews, which is why I refrained from responding to your posts for a long time. Let me guess: you thought your response was clever. There are many Jews who, for some strange reason, think they are geniuses because Einstein was Jewish. And you think that Don Rickles and Mel Brooks are funny, rather than coarse buffoons, don’t you? I have several acquaintances like that. I don’t need any more. Bye.

    BTW one measure of your stupidity was when I made a reference in one of my posts about a month ago to the ghost of Pauline Kael hovering over Manhattan, and you asked me to explain the reference. Had not another poster supplied the answer, you would still be waiting since I had no intention of responding to someone who had proven himself to be a complete asshole who doesn’t know a whole hell of a lot.

  208. helena says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Aye, it’s tough at the top. Think of all the criticism the English have received over the British Empire, and continuing (e.g. calls to dismantle the Old Boy Network; the link between public schools and power). Jewish are the English of the US Empire.

    ********

    Larry Summers has come out against Brexit (‘the worst political move since WWII’) – but his analysis rests entirely on ‘capital’ and what’s good for the FED.

    But the historic moment is not about money but Democracy.

  209. @Wizard of Oz

    I have become a fan of Jewish paranoia and mediocre Jewish pundits finding a conspiracy in everything and no that doesn’t make me antisemitic. My best friend was a Jewish psychiatrist who passed away and before he died we discussed such things. The jews have really outsmarted themselves in importing islam to the west.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @helena
  210. @epochehusserl

    Well they would have if they did but what evidence do you tely on?

    In Australia Jews have been observably and understandably pro multiculturslism and active in organisations like the civil liberties union (or whatever succeeded the one in which the secretary whom i had known for decades went somewhat feral as a denialist. But this doesn’t get one far in explaining the foolishness which allowed Muslims in more than token numbers to immigtate. After a conservative govrrnment’s initial folly with Lebanese it wss Labor branchstacking which, Tammany Hall style, led to more undesirables.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  211. @Talha

    If you believe that then you are ok with me. I have noted some of your comments on islam. Can you recommend any books on the various sects?

    • Replies: @Talha
  212. helena says:
    @epochehusserl

    “The jews have really outsmarted themselves in importing islam to the west.”

    It was noticeable the change in their immigration rhetoric when the migrants started coming from Syria and they were 54% in favour of Brexit.

  213. iffen says:
    @iffen

    Tedious is not really an extreme insult; not even in the same league with asshole of the complete variety.

    Don Rickles; not so funny, but if you could get all of the funny bits from all of Brooks’ s work into just one movie, it would be hands down the funniest movie of all time.

    Forgive my lapse on Kael. I spent 62 years without Google and sometimes momentarily forget about it.

    Nice to know where you stand on the Jewish Question.

    If you were the Grand Poobah Curator of Comments like you think you are then you would know that I have been goy certified by some of the finest Jew Haters that Unz has to offer.

    As to mixing and matching comments, this is an open forum and we don’t have to follow your rules. Wiz just called somebody a waffler and attached it to one of my comments. I didn’t panic; I just told him I wasn’t a waffler.

    Read my comments or not, comment or not, don’t care.

    I will continue to read yours, even though I have to wade through wood shavings, sawdust, feathers and long tedious ones to get to the eggs that are worthwhile.

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  214. @Wizard of Oz

    What evidence do I have to go on? Hmmm decades of assuming that the enemy of my enemy is my friend e.g. the rhetorical line that everyone who is not a white male racist sexist bigot is going to be for Jewish interests. The fact that I even have to explain this is really a sad fact. The other fact is in attacking Christianity. Let’s see what happens to Israel if the western institutions become islamized. Even yourself admits there are some undesirables but you defend multiculturalism. Why not just agree to allow private individuals and organizations to determine their own hierarchies and exclusions?

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  215. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl

    Hey EH,

    My teachers have taught me to live by this paradigm:
    “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both.” 4:135

    This behavior would not be tolerated from non-Muslim minorities in Muslim lands and Britain needs to remind them that they are living there by the grace and goodwill of the British populace.

    On the book recommendation; avoid books written by one division or another since they are likely biased. Avoid books written by known virulent critics like Spencer, etc. Prof. John Esposito is quite good though he tends to be an Islamophile – if that makes a difference to you. Generally works coming out of recognized scholars from recognized Near Eastern Studies programs tend to be quite good, but they are expensive and probably too deep for what you are aiming at. However, if you want a working man’s conversational knowledge on Islamic history and topics like the sects in general, I would highly recommend this:

    It is very solid, and I have found very few things I disagree with on a factual basis with it.

    This one is a collaborative work with Esposito as editor:

    They are a bit expensive, but perhaps a used copy?

    This is also a very academic and solid resource online for various subjects including sects (however, some of the content is only available for subscribers):
    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/browse?type=_

    Peace.

  216. tbraton says:
    @iffen

    Neat little trick. You responded to the points raised in my message, but your post actually shows itself technically as a response to your prior message, thus avoiding the email notification to “tbraton” provided by unz.com. I’m sure that ploy was merely an inadvertent mistake on your part. I could have sworn that at some point in the past 10 months you admitted you were Jewish, but, if I am wrong, I blame it on a faulty memory. I have observed that you do spend an awful lot of time correcting any post which “unfairly” attacks Jews or Israel, sort of like several others posting here. I believe the former poster “geokat” once referred to you as the “Thought Police,” because he too observed your strange obsession with protecting the pristine name of the Jews. I have been posting on a regular basis on unz.com since July 2015, and anybody who is familiar with my posts knows that I am not one of those who dwells on Jews. As far as I am concerned, there are good Jews and bad Jews, smart Jews and dumb Jews, just as in all other ethnic groups. Incidentally, you state in your message “Nice to know where you stand on the Jewish Question.” I didn’t realize that there was a “Jewish Question,” but the fact that you do adds to my previous suspicions that you are indeed Jewish, despite your denials.

    BTW, you probably have forgotten, but I recall mistakenly accused you of wanting to ban Pat Buchanan as a columnist on unz.com, confusing you with another poster that you had replied to. I subsequently offered my apologies to you. But here (at the risk of being “tedious”) is my original post responding, not to you, but to Ron Unz:

    “tbraton says:
    August 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @Ron Unz
    Methinks the poster iffen just wants to bar Pat Buchanan from posting. He is trying to be a censor. I can only guess at his motivation, but I realize that Pat Buchanan has generated many enemies over the years as a result of his outspoken, controversial views. This gets back to the point I made in an earlier message in this thread: if you don’t want to read someone, don’t. It’s not that complicated. Iffen wants to take it to the next step. Not only does he not want to read Pat Buchanan himself, but he doesn’t want anybody else to read him either. I can speculate about iffen’s motivation, but I won’t. I’ve gone to the trouble of reviewing some of his prior posts, but I couldn’t detect a clear reason for his dislike of Pat Buchanan. I’ll just say his suggestion is a rotten idea and should be totally ignored.”

    After I offered my apologies for confusing you with the other poster, this is how you responded:

    “iffen
    August 15, 2015 at 7:35 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @tbraton
    I appreciate the correction. The apology is accepted. I can see that it was unintentional. Besides, I once made a mistake myself.
    Operating on the idea that honesty is the best policy, I do admit that under another ID, I previously asked that PB be dropped as a contributor. (I made a onetime change in the name de plum.)
    No BS, you make some good comments.” (Emphasis added.)

    When I read that, I nearly fell off my chair laughing myself silly and deeply regretting offering you any apology in the first place. What demented person takes umbrage for being mistakenly accused of something, i.e., calling for the ban of Pat Buchanan, and then admits he had actually called for Pat Buchanan to be dropped as a columnist and made a one-time name change to do so? From that point on, I wrote you off as an empty-headed jerk and never responded to any of your posts. BTW the fact that you admit calling for the banning of Pat Buchanan merely adds to my suspicions that you are Jewish, for it is well known that, apart from the 2000 Presidential election in Florida’s Palm Beach County where a hitherto unknown group emerged called “Jews for Buchanan,” Pat Buchanan does not appear to have an army of fans in the Jewish community because of the controversial political positions he has taken over the years.

    P.S.–Here’s a little hint. If you find a poster “tedious,” do as I do: don’t bother reading him. I know that is hard to figure out, which is why I decided to pass on the little hint.

  217. @epochehusserl

    Part read. Interest response. I don’t “defend” multiculturalism. I would in Iran I suppose, if I dared. But in Oz I am for assimilation. A pity about the lower classes of all races of course☺

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  218. @Wizard of Oz

    You can defend multiculturalism or not defend it to me. You can call yourself Jewish or not Jewish. I am just saying if anyone creates a more tribal society then don’t think for one second that the cultural arson wont come blowing back in their direction.

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