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I’m happy to see that Hungary is in the news. Longtime readers and listeners know that I am a Hungarophile from way back. A quick scan of the Derb archives shows fond mentions of Hungary all the way back to April 2002. One of the longest reviews I’ve written in recent years was about a 20th-century Hungarian novelist. (The magazine that published that hasn’t sent me a book to review in the five years since, I can’t imagine why).

There are two reasons Hungary is in the news, a political reason and a media reason. The political reason is that the EU, the European Union—which, to a good first approximation, means Germany—is ganging up on the current Hungarian government under Viktor Orbán, who has been Prime Minister of Hungary for fifteen of the past nineteen years.

The media reason is that nationalist-conservative gadfly Tucker Carlson is in that country this week, broadcasting his nightly Fox News show from Budapest.

Those two reasons have a common origin. Viktor Orbán has pursued a strongly National Conservative policy line. He has set his face firmly against mass Third World immigration and established secure national borders. Orbán’s Hungary has strong natalist programs to encourage Hungarians to marry and have children. In June this year Hungary’s National Assembly, with Orbán’s encouragement, passed a law banning the promotion of homosexuality in school educational materials [Hungary passes law banning LGBT content in schools or kids’ TV, by Jennifer Rankin, Guardian, June 15, 2021]. Orbán has severely curtailed the propagandizing activities of George Soros … And so on.

Orbán’s Hungary, in short, is an unapologetic beacon of National Conservatism. That’s driving globalist Progressives crazy, both in Europe and here. The EU is threatening to cut off financial support for Hungary, even perhaps to expel Hungary from the EU if the country doesn’t get in line with globalist-Progressive ideology. That’s a real threat to Orbán.

Hungarians would like to stay Hungarian, without the blights of mass immigration and Heather Has Two Mommies textbooks in kindergarten.

On the other hand, they like being in the EU. Their country is comparatively poor, down there with Romania and Greece in the EU rankings of per capita GDP, and that financial support comes in handy. So, with employment opportunities limited, so does the ability to travel freely to work in other EU countries without passports and visas.

There’s an election coming up next April, or theoretically even earlier, and the pro-EU forces are looking strong [Hungarian Finance Minister Revives Debate Over EU Membership, by Zoltan Simon, Bloomberg, August 2, 2021]So the EU may have their way with Hungary after all.

And yes, our own globalist Progressives hate Orbán, too. “Hate” is in fact too mild a word for effusions like those of neocon David Frum on Twitter this week. Sample, quote:

When American media personalities express admiration for Orbán, that is what they are admiring: plunder of the public for the benefit of a complicit few; suppression of media that report the plunder; racism and reactionary religion as cover for the gullible and/or hypocritical.

Wow: “plunder of the public for the benefit of a complicit few; suppression of media that report the plunder.” Nothing like that could happen here in the Land of the Brave and Home of the Free, could it? Excuse me … [cough, “Hunter Biden … laptop … cough].

Now, it’s true that Orbán makes that kind of thing easier than it ought to be. Yes, he’s too tolerant of corruption, especially when it enriches his own family and friends. But—and now I’m quoting, quote:

The unhappy truth is that liberalism as we Americans have known it is probably dead. Our future is almost certainly going to be left-illiberal or right-illiberal. It’s not the future I would prefer, but we are not being given a choice here.

I took that from a brilliant piece by Rod Dreher at The American Conservative (Tucker To Hungary, Nixon To China, August 4, 2021). It’s a long piece, four and a half thousand words including footnotes, but well worth your time and trouble.

Life, and especially political life, rarely offers perfection as one of your choices. Perfection in national leadership for me would be a leader who believes in and promotes National Conservatism and does all he can to stop the Cultural Revolution, while being personally frugal and honest, with no track record of enriching himself or his family from the public fisc. That would be perfection.

What if Rod Dreher is right, though? What if the choice we end up with is between an Orbán type, sincerely National Conservative all the way through, but not averse to putting his hand in the cookie jar now and then [Viktor Orbán is winning his culture war, by Rod Dreher, Spectator, August 3, 2021], up against, on the other hand, a willing tool of the nation-destroying revolutionary Left with just as sleazy a personal record?

I personally would not hesitate for very long, especially if the party of the second part there was incoherently senile.

Is Rod right? Is our future destined to be either right-illiberal or left-illiberal?

I’m afraid that sometimes this podcasting business brings out the college lecturer in me, and I send you away with a sheaf of recommended reading material.

ORDER IT NOW

Sorry about that, but there really is some first-rate deep commentary from a patriotic-conservative viewpoint—even, occasionally, a race-realist viewpoint—available nowadays on websites like American Greatness, UnHerd.com, Quillette, the aforementioned American Conservative, and others: not of course forgetting the still center about which all else turns, your own, your favorite, your mentor and guide, VDARE.com.

You won’t of course agree with everything you read on every one of those outlets. Some of them cast their nets pretty wide. When I read something that really makes me stop and think, though, it’s almost always from that general area of the blogosphere.

That’s all by way of introduction to your next reading assignment, students—pay attention there at the back, please. Er, Sir, would you mind putting down your cellphone? … Thank you.

This is an August 1st piece by Christopher Roach at American Greatness: The Salazar Option. Antonio Salazar was the Prime Minister of Portugal for nearly forty years, through most of the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s.

In my own school and college years in England, Salazar was faintly present in the background of European politics. Educated youngsters like myself mentally yoked him together with Generalissimo Francisco Franco of Spain. “Fascist dictators,” we muttered to ourselves, and moved on to some topic more interesting.

That was a ridiculously over-simplified view of things. Salazar and Franco both disliked fascists. Salazar put them in jail when he could, along with communists, who of course he also hated. Fascism was modern and anti-clerical: Salazar and Franco were reactionary and devoutly Catholic.

During World War II, Portugal was generous to refugees from further east in Europe; countless lives were saved. Portugal’s ambassador to Nazi-occupied Hungary was arrested by the Gestapo for helping Jews escape.

No, Salazar and Franco weren’t model parliamentary democrats, but they certainly weren’t fascists, nor even totalitarians. I’ve lived in totalitarian countries, and I lived briefly in Franco’s Spain: no comparison.

Roach groups Portugal together with Spain, Mexico, and France. All four, he argues, fell under the control of Progressive revolutionaries in the early 20th century. For Mexico and France the results were disastrous, the Left triumphant. But in Spain and Portugal, “self-conscious counterrevolutionary political movements stopped them cold during the 1920s and ’30s.”

Roach is not of course—of course—hoping for a non-democratic authoritarian police state on the model of Salazar’s Portugal or Franco’s Spain. He only wants to tell us that the revolutionary Left is relentless and ruthless, today just as much as a hundred years ago, and won’t be defeated by gentlemanly forbearance and appeasement—which has basically been the posture of the Republican Party in recent decades. As he comments:

Thus, Trump did not clean house of his enemies in the government, nor have he and other Republicans done much—other than kvetch—at the hostile political interference of Big Finance and Big Tech.

Patriots need, he says, to take power and use it—take power lawfully, constitutionally, and, but, lawfully and constitutionally, use it.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. UNIT472 says:

    I won’t try and write some long essay ( or book) about why we are doomed. We need to only recall the US Constitution, a document meant to limit the power of government. Yet every economic, social and technological development since then has to been to undermine individual liberty and increase the power of government.

    There is always a need to expand state power and limit individual freedom. The individual is erratic, selfish and cannot be trusted to work for the ‘greater good’. The state need only to be run by ‘individuals’ without these flaws and there is no limit to how much good can be done.

  2. ‘Liberals’ are mandatorians and prohibitors.

  3. Very good essay.
    Pat Buchanan was the best of my lifetime –the one who
    matched John’s criteria

    Trump was neither Buchanan nor Orban

    • Agree: Montefrío
    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  4. Yeah right. Franco was not a fascist. He and Hitler were buddies just because they liked the cut of each other’s jib.

  5. Notsofast says:
    @UNIT472

    well put and imo this is what covid is all about. covid allows new globalist control mechanisms to be put into place that seem to circumvent and supersede the constitution and the bill of rights in the name of public health and safety. this is an attempt establish precedent that our constitution and all national constitutions are moot and no longer apply in this day and age of designer viral bioweapons.

    • Agree: Decoy
    • Disagree: Carney
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  6. anonymous[961] • Disclaimer says:

    Middle Aged Vet said: Dreher blocked me about a year ago for obscure reasons on the obscure site he used to write for (maybe he still does write for it, and maybe it is not all that obscure (I am no judge of the gradations of obscurity, but who among us is?), it is called the “American Conservative” but it was sort of not very conservative for a long time)), but he is a very good journalist/writer and is very very right very very often.
    His criticisms of the “great reset” sector of the Catholic hierarchy and his obvious love for what many crooked politicians insincerely called “family values” but which Dreher, despite his over-emotionalism, sincerely cares about, are worth checking out.

    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
    , @JimDandy
  7. Carney says:
    @obwandiyag

    Franco and Hitler were not “buddies”.

    Franco led a broad coalition of overall conservatives like himself, traditional elites and moneyed interests, dedicated monarchists, secular totalitarians deeply influenced by fascism (the Falange), etc. Although fascists were part of his coalition, he was not one of them and he periodically checked and foiled them, as he did the other elements of his coalition in turn (for instance never restoring the monarchy during his own lifetime).

    Franco was a vague overall conservative, arguably to the point of being reactionary.

    Hitler was a totalitarian revolutionary, impatient to enact sweeping and drastic change.

    Franco was a devout Catholic. Hitler feigned piety for political reasons but was essentially secular in outlook, at most a vague pantheist, and disdainful of Christianity and in particular its emphasis on mercy and the weak.

    The two had enemies in common, specifically the various forms of Communism (Stalinist, Trotskyite, etc) and anarchism that fought Franco’s forces in Spain. But allies, whether of temporary convenience or of more lasting duration, are only that – allies – not necessarily the same thing as each other.

    In their only meeting, Franco so evaded and stalled Hitler’s pressure to enter the war that an exasperated and frustrated Hitler afterward declared he’d rather have a tooth pulled than ever talk to Franco again.

  8. Best thing that could possibly happen would be for Hungary to be expelled from the EUSSR and from its NATO muscle (paid for largely by Uncle Schmuel’s tax slaves). Too bad Hungary can’t issue an arrest order for Soros for his collaboration with the occupying Nazis at the end of WW II.

    • Replies: @Lucy Lipinska
    , @Renee
  9. El Dato says:
    @obwandiyag

    Please read a bit further than articles at “The Root”. You will thank me for it.

  10. John Derbyshire imagines the masses of the White Nation are going to rise up and fight the “American” government, so they can important more Spanish-speaking mestizos from Cuba, and to stop black women from aborting their nigglet offspring, while sending young white men to die for Kaike lies in the Middle East.

    There isn’t going to be any “conservative” revolution. It’s gonna be the Turner Diaries.

    • Replies: @jaye ryan
    , @Anon
  11. Bearing in mind that Mr. Derbyshire’s columns are originally published by VDare, why no mention of The Unz Review in this

    Sorry about that, but there really is some first-rate deep commentary from a patriotic-conservative viewpoint—even, occasionally, a race-realist viewpoint—available nowadays on websites like American Greatness, UnHerd.com, Quillette, the aforementioned American Conservative, and others: not of course forgetting the still center about which all else turns, your own, your favorite, your mentor and guide, VDARE.com.

    list of reading recommendations?

    I suspect it’s because this place would expose his core VDare readers to authors and commenters that don’t just regurgitate what he calls “patriotic-conservative [and] race-realist viewpoint[s].”

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Thanks: Realist
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @lavoisier
  12. @obwandiyag

    You wouldn’t know a jib if we tied it around your neck.

  13. While I’m more sympathetic to post-war European Reactionaries than to Christian Democrats, the counter-reaction following Franco and Salazar is arguably worse than the more gradual degeneration under Christian Democrats in Germany and Italy. As any parent knows, there is a fine line to walk between coercion and persuasion, and the ideal balance depends very much on personality.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  14. Franz says:
    @obwandiyag

    Yeah right. Franco was not a fascist. He and Hitler

    Hitler wasn’t a fascist. That was Mussolini. In fairness, Hitler originally averred to Mussolini as a Nationalist mentor.

    Hitler specifically stated that Nationalist Socialism was German-only and not for export.

    Franco went through what’s been called a “fascist phase” during Spain’s Civil War but distanced himself from it later. There is no doubt he paved the way for a democratic, constitutional monarchy which makes him better than lots of European statesmen.

    We need to retire the word fascist. People don’t know what it means anymore.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @JoeFour
  15. Anon[636] • Disclaimer says:

    Ever since the iron boot of the Nazi stormtrooper was lifted off of the whimpering face of the Slav, the Englishman and the American, their societies have revealed their true motivation for resistance: low standards.

    The American, the Slav and the Englishman are in a death spiral of alcoholism, drug addiction, suicide, shiftlessness, cowardice, darkness, stupidity, and squalor, and they are completely incapable of breaking out of it.

    The American, the Englishman and the Slav must now get on their knees and admit that they are unfit to rule their own societies, and accept the inevitable German authority they fought so hard to resist. You people will toil with your backs from now on. You will cut your emission standards by half, you will stop voicing your worthless opinions about everything, you will learn how to use apostrophes correctly, we will impregnate your daughters, and you will never build another natural gas pipeline ever again.

  16. @Greta Handel

    As the next patronizing, cautionary paragraph

    You won’t of course agree with everything you read on every one of those outlets. Some of them cast their nets pretty wide. When I read something that really makes me stop and think, though, it’s almost always from that general area of the blogosphere.

    indicates.

  17. Orban protected his borders from the influx of unassimilable refugees, promoted the family and procreation and protected students from the new Western religion of homosexuality. Three deeds that Europe is in desperate need for if it is to stay Europe rather than become the no identity land. That is more than Putin could claim and that makes it quite an achievement. May Orban be the model to new aspiring political leaders in Europe; he is showing the kind of moral courage that no other leader in the much more powerful European countries ever dared to display since the exit of General De Gaulle from politics.

  18. Blankaerd says:

    What we are witnessing is simply the last stage of liberalism before its inevitable collapse, that of totalitarian radical liberalism, not of illiberalism. We are forced to be tolerant of degeneracy, forced to accept democratic values, forced to believe humans are all equal or ELSE become a persona non-grata. It has now reached a point where the ideology itself has become pure cancer to the countries that are spreading that system the most. We can find no better example of that than the United States, on the one hand the country wants to remain a superpower while on the other hand the absolutely poisonous ideology of radical liberalism with BLM, fag parades, demographic shift, race-denial, absolute equality and ever-changing norms is taking away its ability to compete with, say, China. The US had it coming one way or another, as the country was founded on liberal abstractions.

    Whatever digital prison the elites have in mind for us, it is likely to be a short period in the history of the West. The liberal world order is collapsing, and it is collapsing fast. We are racing towards anarchy, not totalitarianism.

    • Replies: @Reaper
  19. @Carney

    Of course.

    Franco was a conservative who wanted to preserve Spain’s traditions (while simultaneously oppressing Spain’s “other” peoples like Catalans & Basques), while Hitler was a revolutionary along Nazi/Fascist lines of thinking, envisioning rebirth as the focus of his policy (that’s why Fascism has attracted so many perennialist intellectuals, with their politics of myth & rebirth & dumping old conservative stuff).

    Orban, whatever he is or is not, is not illiberal (never mind what he says). He has two weaknesses: overblown & completely self-defeating Hungarian nationalism (see Trianon tragedy and other Hungarian myths) & his policy of corruption.

    How corrupt is Orban? I would say as much as any other politician. Not something special.

    How heroic is he in defending his own country?

    I would say it is all overblown. He talks, talks and people agree. I agree, too. But other countries like Slovenia, Czechia, Slovakia, most of the Baltic states- have achieved even more with regard to prosperity; they didn’t let anyone Muslim or colored in, without inflammatory rhetoric; they have high enough level of national identity & self-consciousness, without too much blather; they are stable & Soros & comp. don’t matter anything.

    My neighbors Slovenes are a good example. They’re solid; they won’t let anyone colored in; and they’re mostly silent. They have gay marriage- but without the right to adopt.

    Did the heavens fall?

    If yes, I haven’t noticed yet.

    Hungary’s policy is w-r-o-n-g, read my lips. They should have, as we have done & Slovenes, too, simply transport all those Muslims & Africans to Germany & Italy &  France & Belgium etc.

    If you want them, you can have them. We don’t want them, so we’ll just unload them to you, you idiots. We are not defenders of the West because the West, as it is now- sucks.

    And here is where Orban, along most of his worshippers, is wrong. A reasonable country can preserve their way of life without importing aliens or paying too much attention to faggotry.

    Orban’s (and Hungary’s) trajectory shows that a strongly ideological & polarizing policy is doomed. Better keep lines blurred & have your own way through compromise & deception.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @DrWatson
  20. G. Poulin says:
    @obwandiyag

    They weren’t buddies, moron. They used each other for their own purposes. Learn some actual history, dumb-ass.

  21. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Is our future destined to be either right-illiberal or left-illiberal?”

    Well “duh!” , yes, of course it is!

    That is, until enough people wake up and realize that there is no real choice, they’ve always been presented with a completely pro- government, anti- freedom, false dichotomy agenda; for example Trumps (national) socialism versus Biden’s international (global) socialism.

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” Carroll Quigley “Tragedy and Hope”

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Mark G.
  22. gotmituns says:
    @Carney

    disdainful of Christianity and in particular its emphasis on mercy and the weak.
    ———————————————————————————————
    Down deep, Christianity rubs the Nordic races the wrong way. That’s why when Christianity was imposed on the Nordic races, it had to be done by a lot of trickery and lies. But over time, the un-Nordic concept of Christianity could not be maintained and people like Luther and all the 19th century Nordic thinkers did away with the Christian myths.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
    , @Carney
  23. The ADL:”THERE WILL BE NO AFRICAN NEGRO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR OUR PRECIOUS JEW-ONLY ISRAEL!!!!

    Chuck Schumer:”THERE WILL BE NO AFRICAN NEGRO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR MEIN JEW ONLY ISRAEL!!!”

    Shouldn’t the White Native Christian Working Class be Nazis like the ADL and Chuck Schumer?

  24. “Patriots need, he says, to take power and use it—take power lawfully, constitutionally, and, but, lawfully and constitutionally, use it.”

    It ain’t gonna happen so long as the “opposition” controls the money supply as it has done since the Napoleonic wars of mutual destruction.

  25. Lee says:

    Saw on TC how Hungary deals with illegal immigrants caught at the border.

    A pat down search is done, a few forms are filled out,a picture of the law breaker is taken and then out the door to the other side of the fence in 30 minutes.

    Question——–if Orban gets rolled out of office how or will the situation for expats who live in Hungary change?

  26. Rogue says:
    @Carney

    If nothing else, Franco sure was sensible to stay out of the Second World War.

    I know there were some Spanish volunteers on the Eastern Front, but presumably allowed by Spain as volunteers only – and not specifically despatched there.

    • Replies: @siberiancat
    , @fnn
  27. dearieme says:

    Orban’s Right-Illiberalism vs. Biden’s Left-Illiberalism—Is This the Choice?

    There’s a third choice – the kilted illiberalism of the nationalist government in Scotland. They are seeking to undo the Scottish Enlightenment.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  28. Mike Tre says:

    “David Frum on Twitter this week. Sample, quote:

    When American media personalities express admiration for Orbán, that is what they are admiring: plunder of the public for the benefit of a complicit few; suppression of media that report the plunder; racism and reactionary religion as cover for the gullible and/or hypocritical. ”

    Derb, this is what’s known as classic jewish projection. The jewish bankers and bureaucrats and the jewish pharmaceuticals and tech oligarchs as well as the jewish neocons plunder the public wealth for a complicit few; those few being themselves.

    “Now, it’s true that Orbán makes that kind of thing easier than it ought to be. Yes, he’s too tolerant of corruption, especially when it enriches his own family and friends. ”

    These two sentences are basically your entire case against Orban’s so called conservative illiberalism. (he seems to me to be more of a nationalist authoritarian but I am not sure why that’s a bad thing.) No links to evidence in support of those contentions, however, or that he likes being in the EU. Maybe he does, but you don’t support your case at all here.

    “Illiberalism” strikes me as the kind of word used by the same people who used to defend communism by saying “real communism hasn’t actually been tried yet.” Maybe illberalism is just liberalism taken to its natural conclusion.

    • Replies: @Realist
  29. Marcali says:

    It is obvious that the Hungarians will oppose immigration over and above strictly political asylums out of bitter experience.

    It was exactly the multicultural, multi-ethnic nature of historic Hungary that resulted in the Trianon Dictate truncating the country (circumcising in fact).

  30. Yes Tucker, “uplift their own WHITE people” say it Tucker. Come on,you can do it. You can’t cuck the Tuck,right?

    • Agree: Realist
  31. @obwandiyag

    There are wider considerations to any analysis of the Spanish Civil War. Spain was adjacent to British-held Gibraltar, which was the key to naval access to the Mediterranean. When the Royal Navy’s attack on the new central European powers came, it would have to pass through this bottleneck. And come it would, for imperialist England was the natural enemy of the new nationalist socialist states, whose success the British took as an existential challenge to their continental power-sharing arrangements in western Europe. It was vital for German and Italian national defense that Spain be in friendly hands for the coming clash of ideologies. Interestingly, after the war began the treacherous Franco would refuse to allow German troops to pass through Spain for the ground assault on Gibraltar.

    Meanwhile Stalin, who already had the blood of innocent millions on his hands, gave speech after speech in the Politburo arguing that communism could not survive if Russia stood alone against the wrath of the capitalist powers. Long before the Third Reich came into being, Stalin began modernizing the Red Army into a powerful army of invasion, for he also acknowledged that Europe would never willingly submit to communism. He held that total war would be the only means to accomplish his goal. Stalin’s support of the Republican faction in Spain was the first phase of his larger plan of European domination. To this end Stalin would later supply food and weapons to Germany itself for the war that England and France did indeed eventually contrive to declare against her, in hopes that when all three powers had exhausted their resources fighting one another, his powerful intact forces would roll in and take all of Europe and Britain virtually unopposed.

  32. Z-man says:

    Unfortunately Orban bows to Zion as he did on Tucker.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Fred Not Reed
  33. Illiberal, adjective, limiting freedom of expression, thought, behaviour, etc.:

    All states and societies do, so no change there. However, in many Western societies, there were agreed rules, held by a wide range of the political spectrum, on what constituted freedom of speech and what standards of public behaviour were permitted. These solidified in the Victorian period and held sway into the 1950s, despite blips for World Wars and the like.
    By that standard Orban’s National Conservatism seems moderate indeed. The prohibition of promoting homosexuality in schools is only what any reasonable person would have supported in the fairly recent past.

    Biden, by contrast, is not a left illiberal by any means. He is a front man for the corporatists and deep state, that is true. But also, he is the head of the Democratic Party, America’s Liberals. Modern Liberalism does not support freedom of expression or conscience. It uses the MSM and Big Tech to censor or deplatform opponents. It demonizes and persecutes political groups it labels extremists. It does not support the rule of law. It steals elections by massive electoral fraud. It uses schools as propaganda factories, pushing homoglobalism and CRT.
    Modern Liberalism is by historic standards very illiberal indeed. Biden is, strange as it may seem, an illiberal Liberal.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  34. @Notsofast

    Agreed. Klaus Schwab’s massive “The Great Reset” was published only a few months after the coronavirus plan-demic became a worldwide nightmare. It would have been impossible for him to write and publish such a long book in such a short time frame. Obviously (to me at least) the dystopian globalist vision promoted by the “Masters of the Universe” had been in the planning stages for decades.

  35. profnasty says:

    “Perfection in national leadership for me would be a leader who believes in and promotes National Conservatism and does all he can to stop the Cultural Revolution, while being personally frugal and honest, with no track record of enriching himself or his family from the public fisc. That would be perfection.”
    Hey everybody, does this sound ‘Nazi’ to you?

  36. @dearieme

    You’ve noticed, dearie. Only 30 years too late !

    The SNP are not a nationalist party. They believe in something called ” Independence in Europe”. In other words, Scotland should remain shackled to the EU HomoGlobalist order. This is independence in name only. This policy was introduced by Alex Salmond at the start of his first spell as party leader (1990 to 2000 ). I was a member at the time, but could see what was coming and quickly resigned. Many had left by that time, and many more followed. A small number of traditional nationalist staged a rearguard action, but by the early 2000s they had been purged. Independence in Europe has been written into the party’s constitution, so if you don’t accept it, you can not be a member.
    There are no true nationalists in the present SNP and that’s no fallacy!

    The present faux nationalist party is certainly trying to undo the Scottish Enlightenment – in so many ways. Empiricism was a prominent feature of the Enlightenment. The SNP is completely anti-empirical. Once it said: “It’s Scotland’s Oil”. Now it says: “It’s EUrope’s Fish.” Where’s the empirical benefit of EU membership for Scotland resulting from that ?

  37. profnasty says:

    Decorum est Liberte.(sic)
    Freedom lies in conformity.
    Radical non-conformists are enslaving normal Americans. If a despicable man disguises himself as an ugly woman, tell him what you think about it.
    Cowards end up in chains.

  38. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:

    Viktor Orbán using NSO spyware in assault on media, data suggests
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/viktor-orban-using-nso-spyware-in-assault-on-media-data-suggests

    Viktor Orbán and the Chabad kosher business
    https://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/07/21/viktor-orban-and-the-chabad-kosher-business/

    Hungary signs special agreement with Orthodox Jewish group
    https://apnews.com/article/565f82de5aa2405782f431f202dbafa8

    Finkelstein -> Netanyahu & Orban

  39. @Anon

    Germans are boring.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  40. Rod Dreher of The Amerikastani Conservative seems to be as much in love with Orban as he is with the zionist settler colony in Occupied Palestine.

  41. @anonymous

    I agree with you. Once Dreher took over from Unz, the magazine seemed to lose its luster for awhile. It seems to have gotten better though as of late.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
  42. usNthem says:
    @UNIT472

    Agreed. I think we’re well past the point of patriots taking power lawfully and constitutionally. The left has forced this and it’ll most likely come to a head sooner rather than later.

  43. @gotmituns

    Christianity was carefully enforced upon the Nordic countries, starting with close-by Normandy (which was given privileges as a reward for converting) and Norman England, for one reason : by letting things go the European powers would have more spontaneously converted to Islam as soon as they replaced their oral culture with a written one and discovered the importance of mathematics and commerce to maintain a maritime empire. This did not prevent the best Viking captains to do operations of piracy for the various Muslim powers that be up through Ottoman times and whole tribes to convert and settle along the Mediterranean coast.

  44. Miro23 says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Modern Liberalism does not support freedom of expression or conscience. It uses the MSM and Big Tech to censor or deplatform opponents. It demonizes and persecutes political groups it labels extremists. It does not support the rule of law. It steals elections by massive electoral fraud. It uses schools as propaganda factories, pushing homoglobalism and CRT.

    Modern Liberalism is by historic standards very illiberal indeed.

    Same as Bolshevism (AKA the dictatorship of the proletariat) – and both offer security to a very privileged Jewish elite. Maybe they were created by that self same elite for that very purpose?

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  45. @Exalted Cyclops

    Since George Soros was born on August 12, Anno 1930, his collaboration with the “Nazis” must have occured before he even had turned fifteen. Saddening that people still aren’t able to see that Mr Soros is just a front figure. He is powerful, f course, but far from as powerful as those who were “inspiring” him from the beginning.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  46. Realist says:
    @Z-man

    Unfortunately Orban bows to Zion as he did on Tucker.

    As Carlson, very much, does.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  47. @Anonymous1835

    Trump was either false opposition or just the extreme narcissist who wanted to check off an item of his things to do list. Since he wants to run again, it still could go either way. The guy had grandiose ideas, but never had a concrete plan on how to get things done.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  48. @Joe Levantine

    “Orban protected his borders from the influx of unassimilable refugees, promoted the family and procreation and protected students from the new Western religion of homosexuality.”

    When it comes to the first part of your statement, only the naive can ignore that Mr Orban is protecting Hungary from migrants that want to use his country as a passage to the countries with generous benefits. Not many of those who have “enriched” Sweden or Germany actually would have chosen Hungary – or the “no refugees-Poland” as their “place of refuge”.
    As to the other part, it is not far-fetched to claim that Mr Orban’s nationalism is tolerated, if not openly protected, as the “divide and rule” strategy in Europe.

  49. Realist says:
    @Mike Tre

    (he seems to me to be more of a nationalist authoritarian but I am not sure why that’s a bad thing.) No links to evidence in support of those contentions, however, or that he likes being in the EU. Maybe he does, but you don’t support your case at all here.

    Agreed.

  50. Viktor Orban is not “illiberal” … unless you are following the usage of David Frum or Crum or Bum or whatever his miserable name is …

    VO has the best interests of Hungarians and Hungary at heart.
    Hungary has experienced rule by Mr Crum’s relatives, people like Bela Cohen and the dross who re-entered with the Red Army, having previously run away, in WW2.
    Mr Crum’s relatives took top jobs as torturers etc.
    The sort of jobs they obviously enjoy and feel at home in.
    Perhaps Hungarians are not eager for yet another rerun ?

    Might these wretches themselves be deemed illiberal ?
    Ask the Palestinians for just one example …

    • Agree: Spender_CGB
    • Thanks: GMC, Peripatetic Itch
  51. Goddard says:
    @UNIT472

    I won’t try and write some long essay ( or book) about why we are doomed.

    Whites are not necessarily doomed, but our backs are against the wall. It is time to jettison anything and everything that does not conduce to the preservation of the white race. The U.S. Constitution and Christianity are among the objects that are weighing the lifeboat down. The Framers never contemplated an age in which their posterity is on the verge of being overrun by invasions of Browns. Christian Universalism (“for the Jew first, but also for the Greek”) was all well and good when Whites were driving history forward with superior science, culture and fertility. It is likely lethal in an age when Universalism means throwing open your borders and diluting the white race into a shadow of what it once was. Clearly a blood-based nationalism such as exists among the Han and hints of which we see in Hungary is what Whites need now; and whatever stands in the way of it, no matter how ancient or revered, should be cast aside.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  52. The demented and nutty occupant of the White House called Viktor Organ a “totalitarian thug.” I asked myself who the real “totalitarian thug” is, seeing how the US is on a slippery slope to fascism and totalitarianism. Orban is doing a great job. Perhaps some reasonable American policymakers have seconds thoughts about Orban and Hungary, having watched Tucker’s reports and interview with Orban. But with propaganda outlets such as CNN, MSNBC, or the lunatics in the Biden administration and among the political establishment in D.C., it’s a dead loss. Just take the comment of the hack David Frum who is totally off the mark.

    • Agree: Seneca44
  53. BorisMay says:

    Jews proliferate in Budapest. There are whole areas of the city where there are only Jews. These Jews have an inordinate amount power behind the scenes, (just as they do in Belarus), and what you are actually seeing is a dilute judaeoic variation on nationalism which requires exclusion of the unwanted and promotion of the desired.
    Hungary is the nationalist version of the EU and will last only as long as the Hungarian Jews get some benefit from it. The rest of John’s analysis is misplaced because he fails to register this fact.
    Nick Griffin, deposed leader of the British National Party, was intent on moving his various nefarious exploitative business operations using nationalism as a front for his various money scamming sites, but was barred by Orban. No right leaning leader in the EU would want a scumbag like Griffin operating in their country. This was due to him not wanting to upset his Jews.
    Hungary is the epitome of what nationalist Jews require, as opposed to the faux Jewish ruler of Europe, the Ashkenazi Rothschild family.
    It is an interesting juxtaposition Derbyshire seems to be completely unaware of. Why?

    • Replies: @hillaire
  54. @Carney

    Hitler once said after meeting with Franco that he would rather have a tooth pulled than meet with him again.

  55. The interview of Tucker Carlson with Viktor Orban can be found here (19 min.):

    • Thanks: GMC, Biff
  56. Mefobills says:
    @Franz

    We need to retire the word fascist. People don’t know what it means anymore.

    Mussolini knew what it meant, and wrote about it:

    http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

    But, I agree, the word should be retired, because NPC types have gotten their download, and the download is all they know.

    The plain fact of life is that it is a hierarchy. If you staff a fascist hierarchy with people trained for the job, then degrees of freedom can be delivered to the people.

    Fascism understands that the average person on the street is a moron, and easily duped. The Fascist leadership of Italy concerned themselves with the general welfare of the population. Women weren’t allowed to vote until 1945.

    If you could go back in time, and interview Italians of that era, they were quite happy with what fascism was doing for them.

    Derby suggests that NSDAP Germany was not fascist, but the reality is they had many elements in common.

    Below link are the sort of people who are easy to lead around by the nose, to then vote against their own interests.

    So, universal suffrage democracy being string pulled by (((monied interests))) to then dupe the NPCs is the best form of government?

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @lavoisier
    , @Mike Tre
  57. Patriots need, he says, to take power and use it—take power lawfully, constitutionally, and, but, lawfully and constitutionally, use it.

    I say:

    There is a brawl brewing between those who wish to use the power of the government to boost AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION and implement policies that encourage women to have babies and JD Vance and Ann Coulter are on opposite sides of that.

    Some wag on the internet said Elizabeth Holmes got a visit from a stork and she gladly invited the stork in for iced tea and cookies in a bid to appear more sympathetic when she is sentenced for her shady business practices.

    Some broad named Ann Coulter just fired a rhetorical Big Bertha artillery shell column at the proud and brave men and women who want to encourage and promote AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION by using government policies and government programs to get the skies over the USA filled with storks.

    That asshole named Joe Biden has his whole frigging administration filled to the rafters with sonofabitches from that Larry Fink Organized Crime Syndicate called BlackRock and BlackRock has joined up with the Federal Reserve Bank in an unholy alliance to crush and destroy AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION in the USA.

    Ann Coulter has lost her damn mind in her vicious and unhinged attack on using the government to promote and encourage AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION.

    My modest proposal is to financially liquidate Larry Fink and financially liquidate BlackRock and then nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank and use monetary policy to benefit all Americans and not just the billionaires and the top ten percent loot holders in the USA. An immigration moratorium and an immediate deportation plan to remove all illegal alien invader interlopers will also increase AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION.

    [MORE]

    Baby boomer Ann Coulter would be shocked at the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) plan but I am shocked at her absolute slavish obedience to the current rigged financial scam currently concentrating wealth and power in the USA.

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to electronically conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    The new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will certainly make a distinction between citizens and foreigners and I have decided that old stocker Americans — or part old stocker Americans — should get a hundred thousand dollar bounty for having blood ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War from the British Empire. For each ancestor who fought against the British Empire you’ll get one hundred thousand dollars. I’ll get at least three hundred thousand dollars for my ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War from the British Empire.

    Ann Coulter has not yet had the epiphany that the rot and corruption of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank has gone too far and only a complete and total asset bubble implosion will set the stage for White Core America to dislodge the JEW/WASP Ruling Class from power.

    ASSET BUBBLE IMPLOSION BRINGS ON AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION

  58. dually says:

    The US has been “illiberal left” since 1966. The aristoi hasn’t notice the disaster this has caused to ordinary American hoi polloi until now, because it has finally begun to infect the aristoi.

  59. @Lucy Lipinska

    “Mr Orban is protecting Hungary from migrants that want to use his country as a passage to the countries with generous benefits. ”

    Orban is protecting himself, not Hungary or Germany. If he had not closed the borders, Austria would have closed the Austria-Hungary border, therefore Hungary would have ended up effectively expelled from Europe (the worst fear of Hungarian voters) and with hundreds of thousands of “refugees” roaming the county. Certainly, Orban is guilty of not committing political suicide, but I think it cannot be a rational expectation that a politician should do that.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  60. TKK says:
    @Joe Levantine

    When I was in undergrad, we had 3 tennis players from Hungary on scholarship.

    Magyar blood!

    These guys were tall, tan, strong, smart and very athletic. And big time ladies men. What a swagger they had. Comparing these guys to the ” 2021 gamers” now, is like two different species.

    Literally, girls were swarming around them like flies to something sweet. After they practiced tennis many hours a day, studied and showered, they would have a different date every night with the best looking girls.

    Like a good poker player, they had sex with the loose girls and gambled with the girls that played by “The Rules”. (There were actually still girls that held out back then).

    There was one called Lazslo, and he actually focused on my girl at the time and she was smitten with him. He whispered to her in Hungarian and winked at her from the tennis court.. I was despondent. I actually went and found her and him sitting at a fountain and made a complete fool of myself with a tearful confrontation. She eventually came back to me, but it ruined our relationship. I could not get those mind movies out of my head, and I broke up with her.

    Looking back now, much longer in the tooth , I can see why she could not resist him.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    , @Joe Levantine
  61. hillaire says:

    Despite Orbans faults ( dubious genetic history.. big hugs for likud turk slavs in the stolen state etc)
    It’s quite simple…

    globalist ‘jews’ hate Hungary ( but more so its pro-nativist policies)… they demand total subservience from ‘their’ indentured satraps..

    and the eradication of the ‘native’ (hehe) populus..

    because in schlomos neurotic and fractured cerebellum…whilst one handsome blue-eyed white man walks the earth and has a sheila to shag….

    schlomo just may…… go up the chimney…

    so it’s charlemagne prizes all round and go large on the immigration…

  62. TKK says:
    @Mefobills

    Notice how all the dumb women signed it immediately and took relish in putting people in jail.

    Most women are vicious sadists who need to be silenced.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  63. ricpic says:

    Let the Perfect not be the enemy of the Good: it may be a cliche but it’s a cliche because it is so profoundly true.

    Orban is plenty good. He’s less than perfect? He’s enriched his family?

    Think of the alternative! The death to all decency alternative. Case closed.

    • Agree: Fred777
  64. JoeFour says:
    @Franz

    Franz said, “We need to retire the word fascist. People don’t know what it means anymore.”

    Yes, indeed.

    But, in truth, its meaning was lost decades ago.

    George Orwell (Eric Blair) commented back in the 1940s: “The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’.”

    Interestingly, he also observed: “…in the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.”

  65. How bad can Victor Orban be? He booted out George Soro’s who had set up toxic schools dedicated to his toxic ideas, that caused nothing but trouble in Hungary. Biden won’t boot him out of the U.S., or consider him a criminal, although it’s well known his organizations finance all the radical groups in the U.S. Carlson is right. Hungary’s leaders, actually care about Hungarians. I watched an interview with the Hungarian foreign minister to the U.S. a while back. The interviewer was accusing Hungary of everything under the sun, including Anti-Semitism, where upon the minister quickly and convincingly set him straight by pointing out that Hungary has all kinds of Jewish organizations and Synagogues protected by the state. As for its immigration policies not being lined up with Western Europe’s, he said was Hungary’s business and no one else’s.. It was amazing to listen to the Hungarian minister because his English was excellent and so was his knowledge of contemporary affairs. The interviewer, on the other hand, spouted out the usual B.S. and didn’t even have his facts straight, coming off as just another ignorant American..

  66. hillaire says:
    @Anon

    Ha good joke.. unfortunately your german authority comes straight from washington dc..situated in the most broken nation on earth and a veritable loony bin of dysgenic delirium..

    still, there is greatness in the german spirit and I believe it still exists in many..

    though I doubt we would concur on ‘what’ that is… or that you possess ‘it’…

  67. Putin passed a similar law in Russia banning the propaganda of homosexualism to children a while ago.

  68. @Rogue

    I know there were some Spanish volunteers on the Eastern Front,

    Some volunteers amount to a whole division, 18000 men strong. Look up Blue Division

    • Agree: BorisMay
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  69. AndrewR says:
    @Goddard

    The problem isn’t “browns.” It’s Jews and, more importantly, white traitors.

    • Agree: BorisMay
    • Replies: @Goddard
  70. @Robert Bruce

    The guy had grandiose ideas, but never had a concrete plan on how to get things done.

    How about a concrete plan on how to keep things undone?

    The Establishment needs Mr. Trump to keep the sheep bleating Red+Blue politics and squandering their dissent on the Most Important Elections Ever.

  71. fnn says:
    @Rogue

    Years ago, Hugh Trevor-Roper wrote in the NYRB that if the left had won the Spanish Civil War Hitler would have conquered Spain after the fall of France. This means he would have taken Gibraltar, closed off the Med to the Royal Navy and that would have brought an end to the war in 1940. It follows that the same thing could have been done if Franco had joined the war after France surrendered. But maybe Trevor-Rope was wrong for some reason.

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @BorisMay
  72. hillaire says:
    @BorisMay

    He isn’t…. he just plays the game…. as they all do and that includes CIA carlson..

    look into moshe kantor and his intended plans for Europe… and the little operation this criminal ‘jew’ oligarch heads up…

  73. martin_2 says:

    Jared Taylor made the very astute observation some time ago in one of his broadcasts that, unlike in the days of the Cold War where dissidents living in the Soviet Bloc could point to wealthy and prosperous countries like the USA or Germany as offering a better alternative to Communism, the creatures who promote the Globohomo agenda have hitherto been fortunate that no White European country offered an alternative to Globohomo-ism.

    Now that Hungary is doing just that, of course the Globohomo establishment will use its media and its political power to defame the Hungarian leaders and try to bring Hungary into line.

  74. jaye ryan says:

    Why did Victor Orban and Tucker Carlson just dismiss the Hungarian opposition as:

    “Former Communists and Anti Semites”

    This makes both Victor Orban and Tucker Carlson sound a lot like William F Buckley back in the day – controlled opposition no one to the Rich of him is allowed.

    Maybe these former Communists have some legitimate issues against insider oligarchs – same as form KGB Communist leader Vladimir Putin opposed and knocked down the insider oligarchs that were given Soviet state enterprises for pennes on the ruble. Maybe there is some J ethnic mafia that got/gets insider huge wealth in Hungary same as in Boris Yeltsin’s (that drunk) Russia.

    This interview with Tucker Carlson didn’t mention Hungarian born, international money changer, Start Wars Evil Emperor George Soros.

    Victor Orban was honest with some other media (The Atlantic Magazine interview) with why he expelled George Soros and the Soros Open Society foundation – I thought Victor Orban made sense.

    So what’s really going on here?

    J Ryan
    The Political Cesspool

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  75. JimDandy says:
    @anonymous

    Remember Dreher’s histrionic attack on Pat Buchanan? Dreher went full retard over the fictional narrative of Charlotesville, and his Trump Derangement Syndrome made Brian Stelter seem objective by comparison. It’s quite rich that he is now positioning himself as a realist. I can’t take him seriously.

    From
    Rod Dreher and the Politics of Betrayal
    By Tom Piatak

    Dreher charged that Buchanan’s column from the previous Tuesday, “If We Erase Our History, Who Are We?”, was a “shameful defense of white supremacy,” “abhorrent,” and “disgusting, racist, indefensible.” From Buchanan’s statement that the belief that all men are created equal is “ideological,” Dreher concluded that “Buchanan repudiates not only the founding principle of our Constitutional order, but also a core teaching of the Christian faith, which holds that all men are created in the image of God.” To bolster his attack, Dreher then cited a similar attack on Buchanan by neocon Mona Charen. Without Pat Buchanan, The American Conservative would not exist. Thus, Dreher’s attack on Buchanan is an example of treachery and ingratitude, as well as Dreher’s customary hysteria.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @anonymous
  76. jaye ryan says:
    @KeeltheKaikes

    “There isn’t going to be any “conservative” revolution. It’s gonna be the Turner Diaries.”

    I respond:

    Have your read HA Covington’s “The Brigade” and other Northwest independence novels?

    If not, I think you find the subject very similar to “The Turner Diaries” but also just better written, the characters are more developed.

  77. @Miro23

    2 weeks before the Bolshevik Revolution, 6 ( of 12 ) members of the Bolshevik Central Committee were Jewish, 4 ( from 7 ) of the Bolshevik Politbureau, and 6 ( from 18 ) of the St Petersburg Soviet………
    Ad infinitum, ad nauseam……
    In those days, Jews composed about 4% or less of the population of Russia.

    2021, The Biden Regime has 9 Jews in 22 Cabinet level posts. Jews constitute less than 2% of the American population.

    I’m starting to notice a pattern here, as Steve Sailer is wont to say…….

    • Replies: @Miro23
  78. Mefobills says:
    @TKK

    Most women are vicious sadists who need to be silenced.

    Giving women the vote was a horrible mistake. White men especially wanted some P#ssy, and wanted to shut up their kvetching women, and hence rolled over.

    In the video there is one man who responded to questionnaire, by saying “Hey that is Fascist.”

    In other words, putting people in jail because they disagree with the state is Fascist.

    In reality, any sort of government hierarchy can put people in jail or do whatever it wants. The hierarchy will especially go of the rails if it has hysterical and sadistic women in positions of authority. Jews have a non-masculine feminine spirit, and operate similarly, kvetching and maneuvering, and doing what is “good for the tribe.”

    How many people in the U.S. are in “for profit” jails now? Of that jail population, how many are locked up for non-violent crimes?

    What percentage of Mussolini’s population was jailed, and for what reasons?

    Fascism is good, but the Fascist hierarchy has to be staffed by men – it has to be a Patriarchy, and a white Patriarchy is preferable – no Jews, Women, or Muslims.

    Fascism and National Socialism is the final evolution of the American System of Economy (of the founders). It is un-American to be against National Socialism or Fascism.

  79. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Greta Handel

    JD considers the Jewish question one that should not ever be asked.

  80. Dumbo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, unfortunately a lot of these current “nationalist leaders” are all talk and posturing and bombastic actions, but low on results.

    Orban, Trump, maybe even Salvini (though he didn’t get to be actually the leader of government), what did they achieve? A lot of opposition, a lot of discussion, but not so many results in the end.

    It could be, of course, that they are just “actors” paid by the same Powers, to be fake opposition. I don’t know. Or it could be that they are just incompetent or not vey smart.

    But I agree that “liberalism” will soon end, one way or another, right or left. In fact, it’s already dead in practice, as seen clearly in the Covid era and mandatory vaccines and censorship.

    It was always an illusion; no one really likes liberalism unless it’s “liberal” about their own opinions and ideas, and intransigent about everyone else’s. You can see it in the gay/trans discourse, it started being about “tolerance” and now bakers are forced to bake gay cakes, and you can’t say anything against gay marriage or transgenders bathrooms or you lose your job.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  81. if a white population is to survive anywhere, then yes obviously it will be in part due to rejecting ‘liberal’ policies.
    Liberalism may be nice when you have a white country which is hard for large groups of people to get to, but that’s not the world we live in anymore, and liberalism is a large part what made the world this way, and its worldview leads to views and policies that prevent doing anything about that.
    It’s also not a coincidence that Eastern European countries still have a chance of surviving – the USSR effectively shielded them from liberalism for decades.

    As for left/right, that’s about as much use as ‘us/them’, and it’s long past time people stopped using those two simple terms to try and sum up the complexities of politics. A white polity that ‘makes it’ will have to be pragmatic, choosing whatever policies are good for ‘us’, whether those were considered ‘right wing’ or ‘left wing’ by political autists.

  82. @Miro23

    No maybe about it. Form hides function and the cause from the effect. Denial and inability to discern prevent counter-action. A basic understanding of the milieu surrounding the individual is easily accessed by two films, the Matrix series and Idiocracy.

  83. Z-man says:
    @Dumbo

    Agreed, a lot of talk, little action.
    Of the three Orban has done the most for his Hungary while Trump and Salvini have bowed to the globalist narrative. Even Orban has to say he’s buddy-buddy with the Zionists.
    What we need is bold nationalist action and anti Cabalist sentiment.

  84. SafeNow says:
    @TKK

    “Literally, girls were swarming around them (Hungarian athletes) like flies to something sweet.”

    This calls to mind the old saying: “Women are like flies- – they land on sugar
    and on sh-t.”

    Thank you, TKK, for the poignant anecdote. One great feature of this website, apart from all the history and politics and science etc., is that there are personal anecdotes. They are interesting and touching and instructive.

  85. Goddard says:
    @AndrewR

    The problem isn’t “browns.”

    The problem with browns is, they won’t fucking stop coming to my country. They’re coming because white people had a big argument and while the two sides were jawing at each other the traitors opened the back door and whistled for the browns to come in so the traitors could win. A disproportionate share of those traitors are Jews.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  86. Richard B says:
    @UNIT472

    There is always a need to expand state power and limit individual freedom.

    That’s an assumption, not an absolute. And because it is an assumption, one would want a culture whose governing institutions don’t interfere with its teaching-learning institution’s attempts to teach and learn how to question assumptions.

    The individual is erratic, selfish and cannot be trusted to work for the ‘greater good’.

    Another assumption. One, moreover, that limits the use of the word individual to that of a high-level abstraction bearing no relation to concrete reality.

    The state need only to be run by ‘individuals’ without these flaws and there is no limit to how much good can be done.

    No surprise that the false premises of the first two sentences leads to a false conclusion in the third.

    • Replies: @UNIT472
  87. Art Deco says:
    @Lucy Lipinska

    He is powerful, f course, but far from as powerful as those who were “inspiring” him from the beginning.

    Yeah, Red Shield, blah blah.

  88. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @KeeltheKaikes

    Tucker Carlson is not opposed to gays. He’s not even really opposed to illegal influx of Latinos. He changes the subject and does pieces sympathetic to their plight. He’s said he doesn’t blame them and how they are all such great people and family oriented and religious and harder working then Americans. It’s Muslims he hates and that’s the only reason he’s chumming with Orban. Tucker has called any opponents of Orban anti Semites! Meaning if you criticize Israel and side with the Palestinians in that dispute you’re an anti semite. He’s the anti Semite all right; against Semitic Muslim/Arabs, he was a war mongering neo con who is now opposed to ME wars only because we did not kill em all! he opposes intervention in Syria only because Assad and Russia and the Kurds are mass murdering Sunni Arabs! Carlson adores AOC, and brings up the hordes of people at the border only to stress how some of them are from” North Africa[Arabs] and the ME. That’s the only thing ” conservative’ about him; he hates Muslims!

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  89. BorisMay says:
    @fnn

    Food…Hitler would never have invaded Spain because he could not have fed the populace.

    Franco offered to join Hitler in the fight against international capital, but only on condition Hitler fed the Spanish.

    Hitler turned down Franco because he could not fulfil that requirement.

    Britain had been blockading Spain’s ports since 1939 and had prevented ships carrying food, oil and munitions from landing their goods.

    Thus any idea of Hitler taking Gibraltar and cutting off the Mediterranean to Allied forces is pure fantasy.

    ***Note: fascism is more correctly called ‘corporatism’, which is the system currently in use in the US, the UK and the EU and much of the rest of the ‘free world’ of economic slaves to the bankers.

    • Replies: @Inselaffen
  90. Art Deco says:
    @JimDandy

    Remember Dreher’s histrionic attack on Pat Buchanan?

    Everything Dreher says is histrionic and it’s a reasonable inference the guy is held together with psychotropics. His one redeeming feature is that he reverses course if new data arrives. That’s atypical among opinion journalists.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  91. Art Deco says:

    Dreher then cited a similar attack on Buchanan by neocon Mona Charen.

    Mona Charen never had any particular association with the nexus of publications and letterhead organizations called ‘neo-conservative’ during the period running from 1977 to 1992. (She has never, for example, published a single piece in Commentary). She went to law school, either failed the bar exam or could not be bothered to take it, and landed a position in Ronald Reagan’s pr apparat. She’s been a word merchant of one sort or another ever since. Her most recent berth was at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. She’s always been a lightweight compared to the ordinary run of policy shop fellows and when her contract was up this year, EPPC let her go. Trump’s been quite adept at tearing off masks and we’ve gotten to see the last six years what her motor really is. She has no social ideology or perspective on policy. She’s Margaret Wade from Dennis the Menace and quite capable of astonishing self-deception for ‘a that.

    • Thanks: David In TN
  92. Anonymous[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Saying they refugees are unassimilable is BS.Plenty of assimilated middle eastern/ African descendants in Europe.

  93. Anonymous[913] • Disclaimer says:
    @UNIT472

    Natali/sm and Nationalism as practiced by Hungary, but also Russia, Japan, and even CHINA…on the other hand look at SAfrica, France, Italy, Sweden…and multiculturalism in the USA (BLMANTIFA)..the new infraestructure bill more than \$5trilliomn will legalize 40million illegal mexicans make OPEN BORDERS with Mexico permanent, and it will increase the cuotas for refugees…and give VOTING rights to NONcitizens in the USA..deep BLUE RINOCRATS tyranny…

  94. Mike Tre says:
    @Mefobills

    Regarding the video: All broads and POC’s signing the petition. Why am I not surprised. (I realize it could be edited to present a narrative.)

  95. I’ve constantly told people online: Look to Salazar! Although I generally think of him as generically fascist.

    Even pro-fascist types accept their antifascist enemies’ “truisms,” such as “fascism could only operate for a few years before collapsing,” “fascism inevitably leads to aggressive wars,” etc. And I say, look to Spain and Portugal.

    No one ever mentions Portugal or Salazar because a peaceful, 47 year success story doesn’t fit into the gothic “war torn” stereotype of “fascism”.

    “Roach groups Portugal together with Spain, Mexico, and France. All four, he argues, fell under the control of Progressive revolutionaries in the early 20th century. For Mexico and France the results were disastrous, the Left triumphant. But in Spain and Portugal, “self-conscious counterrevolutionary political movements stopped them cold during the 1920s and ’30s.”

    What they all have in common is: the Latin race. (France is sort of torn btw Latin South and Celtic North). Even the failure in France and Mexico was at least a last stand, while fascism elsewhere was just a bunch of weirdoes wearing funny shirts. It suggests that whatever “fascism” is, it seems to be a natural expression of the Latin soul (Rome?), not suitable for export to Anglo-Saxon lands, or even Germanic (Hitler’s attempt collapsed, after all),

  96. Ko says:

    Yup. Republicans are a party of cowards and double talking whimps.

  97. @BorisMay

    ***Note: fascism is more correctly called ‘corporatism’, which is the system currently in use in the US, the UK and the EU and much of the rest of the ‘free world’ of economic slaves to the bankers.

    No, that’s not what fascist corporatism is, please actually read something about what you’re talking about before spreading disinformation through ignorance.

    Even just glancing at the first paragraph about ‘Corporatism’ on wikipedia would help you a little:
    ‘ Corporatism does not refer to a political system dominated by large business interests, even though the latter are commonly referred to as “corporations” in modern American legal and pop cultural parlance; instead, the correct term for this theoretical system would be corporatocracy.’

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  98. Mr. Ed says:

    Rod Dreher is just a fraud and a front runner; he wants you all to buy copies of one of his books. Otherwise, he’s just faking it.

    Orban is the best we are going to get

  99. SafeNow says:

    “the revolutionary Left is relentless and ruthless, today just as much as a hundred years ago, and won’t be defeated by gentlemanly forbearance and appeasement—which has basically been the posture of the Republican Party in recent decades” – the essay

    Yes, that’s the taproot and trunk of the unraveling, everything else the branches and leaves. Republicans saw the problem, and thought that if they appended an exclamation point to Jeb’s name that would suffice. It doesn’t work that way. Orban, from what I’ve seen of him, has the ! built into the man. Perhaps, if DeSantis can watch videos of forceful political figures, he can modify his style. In fact, he’s a smart guy, and seems to be doing just that.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  100. JimDandy says:
    @Art Deco

    Yeah, but he’s even an irritating little bitch when he does that. I remember one of his columns where he asked with breathless excitement, “Did you know that Patriot Prayer is led by two christian men of color?!!!!” As if this was some big revelation. I thought to myself, “Yes, dipshit, I knew that. Why did you attack them in print without even knowing the most basic facts?”

    I’m also put off by his “Where’s Waldo” personal aesthetic, but I’ll bet it wouldn’t bother me if he was good at his job.

  101. Z-man says:
    @SafeNow

    DeSantis-Owned by the Jews.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    , @Ben Andrews
  102. Orbán is a fraud. His only concern is enriching himself and his cronies, and he pretends to be a nationalist to play the martyr whenever he is called to account. His main political concern is destroying the courts and media so no one ever will call him to account. Behind the curtain his policies are utter failures – the population continues to decline, mostly due to emigration, the economy has been outsourced to the German auto industry (although Orbán has started sucking up to the ChiComs as a safety valve), and Christianity is completely moribund. The sad question is why conservatives are continually suckered by conmen like Orbán, Trump and Putin. To be fair I suppose leftists who thought Ortega and Castro were sincere were just as stupid.

    • Replies: @utu
  103. SafeNow says:
    @Z-man

    “DeSantis-Owned by the Jews.”

    Yes, but do you think maybe he has to play ball because he is governor of Florida?…but as he becomes a national figure he can move sharply away from that?

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Blankaerd
  104. UNIT472 says:
    @Richard B

    You must be deeply in debt with student loans.

    Who in the hell is even discussing the distinction between ‘assumptions’ and ‘absolutes’?

    Does it even matter except to a puny mind trying to sound profound. The empirical evidence is clear. The ‘state’ is an organism that must grow because if, it cannot expand ( in Marxist lingo) it must whither away. If it could actually make our lives better we would have less need for it but it cannot so it must always take liberty away.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  105. utu says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    the population continues to decline, mostly due to emigration

    Actually emigration is less than immigration.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1011177/hungary-net-migration/

    It’s really hard to take you seriously with your conceited and emotional take in comments. Your day is not complete without reassuring yourself at least once than most people are more stupid than you.

    • Agree: Dnought
  106. @Anon

    some people say germans have no sense of humor.

    but the greatest practical joke of all time was the holocaust.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  107. @Z-man

    What politician isn’t?

    That’s not a rhetorical question. If you know of any that aren’t owned, please name them. I would find that information so soothing.

    Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @JimDandy
  108. Z-man says:
    @Ben Andrews

    He is owned beyond 100%. Some politicians have some wiggle room even though it’s less and less with every passing day. But someone like DeSantis is in so deep with the Tribe that he could never extricate himself from their clutches or deviate one iota from their plan.

  109. JimDandy says:
    @Ben Andrews

    Good point. I don’t think Ron Paul was. When I read your comment, the first face that popped into my mind was that asshole… what’s her name… llhan Omar.

  110. Richard B says:
    @UNIT472

    Who in the hell is even discussing the distinction between ‘assumptions’ and ‘absolutes’?

    What a dumb question. I am. Obviously. And in response to your comment.

    Does it even matter except to a puny mind trying to sound profound.

    That’s called projection. It comes from a lack of self-awareness and an inability to question your own assumptions. Like the assumption that anyone needs or wants your approval. It’s a sign of immaturity.

    The empirical evidence is clear.

    If the empirical evidence is clear why didn’t you offer any in your comments?

    All you did was use abstractions as absolutes, again.

    It’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about that explains why you’re so easily triggered and defensive. The best cure for that would be to learn how to think. Good luck.

  111. Avianthro says:

    A quote from Thomas Jefferson in which he gives his analysis of the two fundamental parties, found at

    https://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/default.xqy?keys=FOEA-print-04-02-02-4451

    “1. those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2dly those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them cherish and consider them as the most honest & safe, altho’ not the most wise depository of the public interests. in every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. call them therefore liberals and serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, whigs and tories, republicans and federalists, aristocrats and democrats or by whatever name you please; they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. the last appellation of artistocrats and democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all.”

    The Dreher quote is right on, but nothing new under the sun when we consider that we now have what Jefferson gives as party 1 as the right or conservative party, and when we see that the party Jefferson calls “democrats” has effectively been hijacked by corporate power (largely held by members of party 1, elite aristocrats-plutocrats)) exploiting the frustrations of the sheeple via narrative control (in essence, psychological marketing techniques). What we have in effect are the elites, party 1 aristocrats, controlling the entire show, be it on the “left” or the “right”.

    We do live today in a system in which we only have two choices, between the two types of illiberals, both of which are under the control of a plutocracy, one that is not fully in agreement on all issues but always on at least one: they want to increase or maintain their wealth-power. The two types of illiberals are both plutocrats-economic elites. The lesson here is that allowing excessive wealth-power gradients to develop in a society ultimately produces a corrupt system, one in which one overly-powerful group controls everything with its own interests as primary, rather than those of the majority…”Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. The US “founding fathers”, at least some of them like Jefferson and Franklin, saw the reality of the two human parties, which can also be translated into Marxian terms of “bourgeois” and “proletariat”. They were however unable, not motivated strongly enough (?), to make sure that the US Constitution would protect the people from the plutocrats. If they had done so, would the US have become in effect at least a quasi-communist nation with rules to prevent excessive build-up of private wealth-power, even before Marx was born?

    A relevant additional read:

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An_Economic_Interpretation_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

    Footnote: The sheeple follow along with the plutocrats as long as they feel that they are getting a fair deal. When enough of them feel the situation is no longer fair, the plutocrats will have to give up a little of their power, or at least make the sheeple think they’ve been given some more power. What’s going to happen in the US? Will enough of the sheeple get fed up (with both of the plutocrat parties) or will enough of them continue to be contented enough or fooled enough?

  112. Ghali says:

    Mr Derbyshire, you should be ashamed of yourself. The reason Hungary was in the news because it turned to Fascism under Viktor Orbán. I have been in Hungary and I know how Fascist it is. It is extremely racist against its own coloured minorities. It was on the news recently, because Hungary and its neighbours (Austria, Slovakia and Czech Republic) were up in arms supporting Netanyahu massacred Palestinian women and children.

    • LOL: 3g4me
  113. Anon[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carney

    Prior to that meeting with Hitler, Admiral Canaris had told Franco that Germany would lose the war.

  114. True Aim says:

    Mr. Derbyshire, how likely is it that American conservatives, whose common denominator is the conviction that “government is the problem,” will do as you say about “using government” to achieve their goals?

    I have often heard conservative politicians state that their highest task after they gain an office of power is to abolish it. That they almost never do is neither here nor there.

    They do seem to be successful at abolishing their own power, as your Trump example suggests.

    It appears that sincerely hating government power while effectively using it, is a desideratum defeated at the outset by a contradiction. Our enemies have no such foggy-headedness.

    Perhaps, like a gun, government is not more than a tool and is no less morally neutral in itself? How can we get hardcore gummit-haters to consider this idea?

  115. Peläez says:

    Hitler planned to defeat England by closing the Mediterranean to British shipping, forcing England to supply herself via the long, U-boat infested Atlantic highway. Crucial to Hitlers strategy was the use of Spanish soil to take Gibraltar, at the mouth of the Mediterranean. He counted on Francos friendship. For three years General Franco, leader of the weakest nation in Europe defied the wishes, and thwarted the hope of Nazi Germany, the greatest military power in history
    https://books.google.es/books/about/Hitler_Stopped_by_Franco.html?id=kOYOAQAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

    Blue Division: These Spaniards Fought Stalin in World War II
    Fighting alongside their German allies during the invasion of the USSR, the Blue Division racked up impressive victories despite overwhelming odds.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/blue-division-these-spaniards-fought-stalin-world-war-ii-174557

    • Agree: Bernie
  116. “And yes, our own globalist Progressives hate Orbán, too. “Hate” is in fact too mild a word …”

    I was reminded of this scene below, which I hadn’t seen in a very long time. It doesn’t quite fit, but is amusing, nevertheless.

  117. @UNIT472

    The US Constitution was written by the richest men in the colonies, to protect the power of rich elites, forever. It has worked out very well. The effort to brainwashed dumb proles to identify with the interests of the rich, not their own, has been masterfully successful.

  118. @Anon

    Tucker raving on, a few weeks ago, about Oswald, the dedicated Communist, being the sole assassin of JFK is the mark of the man. An imbecile or a craven liar.

  119. Miro23 says:
    @Verymuchalive

    It’s relevant that they also held the top positions:

    Top Bolsheviks (Russia 1917) – Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev (Lenin was part Jewish)

    Top Neo-Bolsheviks (United States 2021) – Biden, Blinken, Yellen, Garland (Biden as the Facade Goy)

    There are plenty of other similarites from Russia 1917 and the United States 2020. For instance, both had elections to form new governments – and in both places the future dictators lost the vote. The Bolsheviks reacted by having armed supporters invade the chamber while the US Neo-Bolsheviks stopped the counting and conjured up millions of statistically impossible electronic votes.

    The Bolsheviks criminalized opposition and collected political prisoners while Merrick Garland is doing the same. The first set of US political prisoners are being kept in lousy conditions with their own Congressmen shouted down and denied access.

  120. Miro23 says:
    @Julian Kaye

    Some people say Germans have no sense of humor.

    Maybe it was just the Nazis who had a laugh.

    – (90) “How could I have been successful without that dose of optimism which has never left me, and without that faith that moves mountains?” …. “A sense of humour and a propensity for laughter are qualities that are indispensable to a unit. On the eve of our setting out for the battle of the Somme, we laughed and made jokes all night.”

    – (159) “I know three people who, when they’re together, never stop laughing. They’re Hoffmann, Amann and Göbbels. When Epp joins them, the whole thing becomes a madhouse. As a matter of fact Epp is not particularly quick. When the others are laughing at the third joke, Epp is beginning to catch on to the first, and starts to let out a huge laugh, which goes on and on.”

    A.H. Table Talk (Conversation Nº)

    • Replies: @anon
  121. Blankaerd says:
    @SafeNow

    Wishful thinking at its finest. Did we forget about Trump?

  122. … plunder of the public for the benefit of a complicit few….

    Pot calling kettle black. Frum is a mouthpiece of the Criminal Elite.

  123. KenH says:

    Diaspora Jewry and their goy attack poodles like Merkel will not allow any European nation become a safe haven for white Christians. Orban waxed eloquent about his warm relations with Israel but if it was really so strong then you would think Israel would tell its diaspora to back off Hungary.

    Hungary is in some ways becoming the new S. Africa in being painted as a racist and intolerant nation and attacked and marginalized accordingly by revolutionary Jews in the West. S. Africa also enjoyed warm relations with Israel yet Israel did nothing to help them in their fight against the ANC or while their diaspora brethren were undermining S. African society from within.

    Jewry won’t stop until they get a cuck and racial masochist to lead Hungary and open its borders to Africans and Muslims.

  124. @Z-man

    All public people have to bow in at least cursory fashion. That is because rank & file “patriots” such as yourself have collective, cumulatively and sum totally offered ZERO material resistance/obstruction to Zion.
    In fact you tithe a goodly part of your income to your child’s murderers in exchange for “entertainment” and shiny things.
    How do you expect anything to change when you hand them a billion dollars per day?

    Tuck is doing what he *can*. Why should he blow himself up for people like you who don’t have his back?

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Z-man
  125. @The Big Red Scary

    That can be applied here as well. If Hillary had defeated Trump in 2016, we wouldn’t be facing the overwhelming woke culture we are now, which is mostly a backlash to Trump.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  126. Z-man says:
    @Fred Not Reed

    I have his back, it’s just disappointing when the power of the Satanists is unleashed against the likes of even Carlson.

  127. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  128. Z-man says:
    @Fred Not Reed

    Oh yeah, you’re also a TROLL, bye bye.

  129. @TKK

    At least you behaved sportingly despite your heartache. That reminds me of the capacity of traditional White men to accept defeat without holding a grudge and move on, a virtue generally lacking in POC based on my personal experience.

  130. @siberiancat

    Well, it got them away from Spain, didn’t it? Sort of like the Saudi monarchy gave their blessing to salafist scum to go play elsewhere.

  131. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  132. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    well at least it can be said that:

    1. despite the yuge overhead of small independent states, they’re worth it because democracy, popular sovereignty, self-determination.

    2. despite the yuge cruelty of expulsions and liquidations and closing borders to desperate people, they’re worth it. because democracy, popular sovereignty, self-determination.

    3. despite the yuge comforts of civilization, being part of a society, etc….being independent is worth it. because DIOGENES AND HIS JEWISH IMPERSONATOR JESUS.

    4. iceland is the past and the future…if good men do NOT do nothing. a mix of normen and micks.

  133. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    IIRC Rod Dreher’s deleted link was to the present Unz Review appearance of this piece by Derb, not to it’s original VDARE location. Unz Review is the site Rod is referring to.

    I believe this is the tweet from Rod’s reader that tipped him off:

    [MORE]

  134. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    No mention of the big project to build a campus of Fudan University in Hungary. It’s a very inventive way of building a major research university without Cultural Revolution pollution. Orban wants a university that will stay that way for 50+ years or even longer. The only way to make sure it happens is to go with a Chinese university.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  135. @MEH 0910

    Rod Dreher is incompetent.
    As a journalist, he should know what the reaction will be if he links to Vdare.

    His wimping out will buy him no brownie points. Minimally, he could have responded that that particular article on Vdare was not racist.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @3g4me
  136. @anonymous

    And if a serious research university from China drew students from other European nations who were not interested in being pozzed, so much the better, both for them and for Hungary. Let the EuroCucks deny themselves the European legacies of scientific and historically sound scholarship. That’s their lookout.

    So, maybe Hungary can be the new Albania for China, but with a more deserving people for what they offer than the Albanians were heretofore.

  137. MEH 0910 says:
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Although the picture in Rod’s tweet clearly showed that it was a VDARE article, the link was to this Unz Review reposting of Derb’s piece where we are right now commenting.

    [MORE]

  138. Bernie says:
    @Carney

    Franco offered some very moving and supportive words about Hitler upon his death.

  139. Bernie says:
    @MEH 0910

    Hahaha … typical Conservative Inc. pussy.

  140. Ordogkapa says:

    I am hunagrian and I want to add one thing. The rummor the Orban steals is a fucking propaganda from the left. There is absolutely no proof that there is systematic corruption,like it is normal under left governments.

    In fact, Orban lowered many taxes when he got into his position in 2010 and since thwn he has been increasing the amount of child and family support. At the same time the gdp is growing and the balance of the gudget is getting better every year.

    We were supposed to have a 0(!!!!!) balance budget – meaning without deficit – in 2020, but covid ruined our planes.

    So, here is no way, that systematic corruption exist in Hungary on high level. Of couse, there is curruption on local level, but that takes lot of time to kill for good.

    Orban is the best politian and statesman on the world and the overwelming majority of Hunagrians are extremeley proud of him.

    Thank you for your article.

  141. Renee says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    Hungary and Germany were allies in WW2, you idiot. Operation Panzerfaust was about preventing Horothy from switching sides like a coward.

  142. Renee says:

    “Nazi-occupied Hungary” spoken like a true cuck, Mr Derbyshire! Those evil Nazis “occupying” Hungary and supporting the Nationalist Arrow Cross, should have just let the commies liberate it without a fight! It always amazes me how cuckservative thinking seeps even into some of the authors here

  143. DrWatson says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    He has two weaknesses: overblown & completely self-defeating Hungarian nationalism (see Trianon tragedy and other Hungarian myths) & his policy of corruption.

    How corrupt is Orban? I would say as much as any other politician. Not something special.

    You apparently contradict yourself within these two paragraphs. If you don’t know if he is corrupt or not how can you claim he has a “policy of corruption”?

    In addition, regarding “self-defeating Hungarian nationalism”, you know nothing about the Hungarian soul. When Otto Habsburg gave a speech in NYC before a Hungarian audience, he talked about the Hungarian practice of “sirva vigad” (rollicking while crying, hard even to translate), saying “ladies and gentlemen, forget about it! it is nonsensical”. But he knew nothing about the Hungarian soul either. Orban understands it from the inside, which is why he is so popular.

    You also don’t understand that Hungary is always a special case for the Brusselite comrades, a country to oppress, suppress or annihilate if possible. They don’t give a hoot about Slovenian etc. policies but Hungary is their arch-enemy that has to be conquered and bring it to its knees. Actual words of the homo hussar Mark Rutte: https://hungarytoday.hu/geers-wilders-dutch-pm-rutte-hate-hungary-orban/

    Hungarians are proud and ready to fight when they sense a whiff of oppression from any great powers – just remember 1956.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Carney
  144. @DrWatson

    1. Orban is corrupt. He’s, through network of his cronies, amassed riches for his family & supporters simply by misusing legal loopholes. That said, he is no more corrupt than average high-ranking French, Russian or Italian politician.

    2. his Hungarian nationalism is a joke & Hungarians, as a people, are delusional if they think they could get away with it. If he tries something more than rhetoric, he risks wars with: Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia and Romania.

    Of course he “feels” delusions & frustrations of his own people. Hitler & Milošević felt them too & we know how it all ended. The point that Hungary should never have been so spacious in the Hapsburg empire, where ethnic Hungarians never constituted more than 1/3 of the people, seems not to enter into his thick skull.

  145. anonymous[854] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    JimDandy – I am not sure – but I think – he blocked me because I mentioned I had been praying for him every day (I pray for all sinners every day – dozens of prayers that are like the Our Father, dozens more like the Hail Mary – I don’t think he took it that way, though, I think he thought that I was a religious lunatic. Sad. )
    Of course he is unbalanced, but, as a journalist, he had the cojones to call out lots of bad people over the years – sure he was wrong about Charlottesville, but the poor boy does not have a lick of common sense. Neither did Hemingway or Mencken or Walter Crankcase or any other poor sap who, when he is young and can do anything he wants in the world, “wants to be a journalist”.

  146. 3g4me says:
    @Undocumented Shopper

    @140 Undocumented Shopper: And so what if it was rayciss? Vdare goes out of its way to insist it is not rayciss but merely concerned with immigration. Dreher would backpedal equally rapidly if called on retweeting anything anti-immigrant. The point is not what website is pro or anti any particular issue – the point is Dreher has been a weak and vacillating manlet for many years, and anyone who trusts him or relies on him for anything is doubly a fool. Dreher may larp as a White man, but he has the soul and spine of a worm.

  147. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Indeed, so far no one has devised a stable solution to the problem.

  148. Reaper says:
    @Blankaerd

    Disagree.

    This liberal madness are far from collapse.
    Because any deeply progressive country still have an administration/ force (includes police) which upkeeps it for the benefit of the degenerated. Model citizens included who keep the law (which benefits the degenerated), honestly pays taxes (which support the degenerated), etc, etc…
    I doubt this system capable to collapse BY ITSELF.
    In the other hand such countries/ “cultures” are easy to defeat and conquered by forces which are OUTSIDE that system, as it happened with the degenareted Roman Empire.

    Very sadly we can doubt it leads to anarchy.
    In real anarchy such progressives (antifa, feminsits, lgbt, etc…) have no chance for survival.
    Only in a system where they have rights and protection where they safely can protest and complains where hundreds of NGO-s behind them where they can report (screaming about hate and agression) and cancel/ ban/ regulate:

  149. Patriots need, he says, to take power and use it—take power lawfully, constitutionally, and, but, lawfully and constitutionally, use it.

    Oh, certainly! As our lawful Patriot, wielding a single-shot pistol, begins the 12 paces required of the duel, Noseberg has already turned around with an Uzi.

  150. Carney says:
    @gotmituns

    Christianity also had the major advantage of competing with polytheistic paganism, an easy opponent.

    Christianity is much more intellectually credible and emotionally attractive.

    For all the wrestling with faith and doubt that Christians and other Abrahamic monetheists go through, imagine how much harder it is for an intelligent and at all well-informed person to seriously believe in the Norse or Greco-Roman mythos or the equivalent, even back then. Paganism has gods that are obviously humans writ large (with gluttony, greed, lust, pride, bumbling into traps and pratfalls etc), obviously the product of human imagination and projection, nothing counter-intuitive or surprising or suggestive of revelation from some truly alien or distinct being. A crowded, shifting, and incoherent pantheon (who’s the god of the sun again? Helios or Apollo? Who’s the god of war? How is there a god “of something” anyway? Did the sun seriously not exist before Helios? etc And now every tree and rock also has its own “god”? Why don’t they object when the lumberjack and quarryman show up? etc.) is not remotely as credible as an abstract monotheism.

    As for as emotionally compelling:

    Think about how the pagan gods care little or nothing for humans. Zeus punishing Prometheus with endless torture for teaching us fire, various gods manipulating people and nations over petty rivalries and causing the catastrophe of the Trojan War, the Norse being self-absorbed in their battle with the Frost Giants. Compare that to an evangelist telling how you the “one true God” loves you as an individual.

    Compare Heaven (endless happiness, all earthly suffering vindicated and rewarded, perfect justice meted out with perfect mercy, the enormous comfort of reuniting with loved ones) with the Norse Valhalla (boorish drunken slaughter and stupid gluttony forever) and the Greco-Roman Hades (shades flitting about in the gloom forever with no amount of heroism or villainy having any effect on your ultimate fate either way).

    None of the above is a claim that Christianity is TRUE. I’m just pointing out that it was a far easier sell than the far less attractive incumbent systems it competed with.

  151. Carney says:
    @DrWatson

    Just about every nation and people sees itself as being different, set apart, with a special destiny.

    And flatters itself with the nation that the great evil conspiracy has it in for THEM, that ONE nation.

  152. I’ll take Victor Orban any day of the week. The difference between the two is that Orban does what is good for Hungarians, Biden does what is good for everyone in the world but hardworking, taxpaying U.S. citizens, some extremely stupid, it is true, but taxpayers never the less.

    The aged grandfather act that Biden puts on is getting old.(pun intended) Has anyone considered that this act works so well for the swamp politicians in both parties? Granted, something is wrong with this criminal/clown, but it’s interesting that on the issues that matter to citizens, he doesn’t care in the slightest.

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