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Earlier, by Peter Brimelow: DUNKIRK: “People Should Be Hung From Lampposts, They Should Be Burned Alive, For What They’ve Done To Britain”

Last week saw the publication in Britain of a report from something called the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities. This commission was set up last year by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, exactly for the purpose of producing a report. So, they have now produced it: a report on race and ethnic disparities in Britain. What does it say?

If you really want to know, you can read the whole thing, all 258 pages of it, on the internet. [Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities: The Report (PDF)]

I’ll admit I haven’t read the thing myself. I don’t live in Britain any more, and I feel sad and angry when I’m reminded of how a country I remember with some natural affection has been destroyed by mass immigration[GHETTO BLASTER Mass immigration to Britain has changed it beyond recognition and turned communities into ghettos, reveals damning report, by Tom Newton Dunn, The Sun, December 4, 2016]

I’ve been reading news stories about the report, though, and they piqued my curiosity some. Progressive Wokesters, anti-white activists and the like have been hyperventilating that the report fails to blame all “race and ethnic disparities” on “systemic racism”—

References to the Commissioners in terms of the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis have shown up on Twitter.

This is from Clive Lewis, a slightly black Labour MP

This, in defiance of the fact that of the eleven Commissioners who produced the report, only one is white!

Toby Young over at The Spectator reports that where the report covers education, his own area of expertise, it is quite sensible:

According to the anti-racism cult, our education system is riddled with racial prejudice and needs to be overhauled if students of colour are ever to compete with whites. Virtually the entire educational establishment has accepted this damning verdict and is desperately trying to cleanse itself of this sin …

But as the report makes clear, these are solutions to a largely imaginary problem. There is no evidence that non-white children are being held back by “institutional racism.”

[The facts about race and education, Spectator, April 10, 2021]

Thus encouraged, I thought I’d take a look at the report. I still wasn’t ready to commit to 258 pages of social-science jargon, but I figured I could handle a detailed review of the report from an observer I trust.

That led me to academic psychologist and race realist James Thompson at the Unz Review. Wednesday this week Dr. Thompson posted a 3,500-word report on the report, and I recommend it to your attention.

Dr. Thompson has a dry British style of wit that appeals to me. Sample One:

The Report makes 24 recommendations. Moses got by with 10.

Sample Two:

The Commissioners on Race and Ethnic Disparities are themselves almost entirely persons of Race and Ethnicity. This is such a commonplace that no one seeks to question it. The underlying argument seems to be “You can’t talk about it unless you’ve been through it yourself”. At one selection committee for aspiring clinical psychologists we decided to set that statement as a question for candidates to debate in their group discussions. The Consultant for Mental Handicap moaned: “Well, that cuts out my speciality”.

Is the UK a Model on Race?, April 7, 2021

Oh, just one more quote from Dr. Thompson. The Commission report seems to be unusually frank about black crime. They note that blacks in Great Britain are eight times more likely to be perpetrators of homicide than whites.

They include this helpful (aside from its deliberately unhelpful color-coding) graphic:

Over to Dr. Thompson:

They say (page 149) that these figures “contribute to negative stereotypes of young black men”. Well, that is one way of putting it. The other way would be: “this accounts for people being understandably afraid of young black men because they are 8 times more dangerous”.

Good common sense there, then, from Dr. Thompson. I’m still sad and angry, though.

These United States were diverse from the start. We’ve always had to deal with racial diversity as best we can, although I think we’ve been stupid to make the problem worse than it was by mass immigration.

How much more stupid have the Brits been, importing diverse peoples by the millions into an old, proud, and un-diverse nation, when there was no need to do so?

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Miro23 says:

    How much more stupid have the Brits been, importing diverse peoples by the millions into an old, proud, and un-diverse nation, when there was no need to do so?

    Speaking from personal experience, I saw it grow out of 1960’s leftism – having been in that environment my whole life. There’s no doubt that the fashionable white middle class place to be was Counter-Culture, which was/is Jewish, Black, ethnic, anti-Christian, pro sexual freedom, pro-gay, pro feminism and generally anti everything traditional and “square”.

    Mass immigration fits perfectly into this environment.

    I had a conversation with my (ex) best friends regarding this particular topic:

    Muhammad has become the most popular baby name in the UK according to the popular website for baby names and parenting, BabyCenter. The ranking tells the name Muhammad has sustained its top spot on the list for the third consecutive year.
    https://www.globalvillagespace.com/muhammad-is-the-uks-most-popular-name-for-third-consecutive-year/

    My line was that Muslim culture would change the character of the UK in an adverse way, and that it was something to be concerned about.

    Their line was that this was intolerable racist talk. Greater diversity was to be celebrated and was a further step towards building a wonderful new diverse and multicultural paradise (always seems to come back to John Lennon’s “Imagine”).

    End of a friendship.

    I think that the True Believer “useful idiots” eventually do get it – when they are mugged, imprisoned and gagged in their “Paradise” but it’s far too late by then.

  2. Most of British culture revolves around obsessing about America and attempting to lecture us. They’re so arrogant they thought they could out-do America in the diversity game, by bringing in housebroken (they thought) pets from their former colonies and making them proud British residents, then showcasing them to the rest of the world as proof that the Brits do these things better. Well, they don’t. They’ve ruined their country all because they were trying to score propaganda points against the hated Yanks, and I think it’s absolutely hilarious.

  3. Richard B says:
    @Miro23

    End of a friendship.

    I think that the True Believer “useful idiots” eventually do get it – when they are mugged, imprisoned and gagged in their “Paradise” but it’s far too late by then.

    Kind of sums it all up in a way.

    Friendships ended and the Woke waking up when it’s too late.

    Too late to stem the tide and way too late to mend the friendships.

  4. It’s interesting to note that according to the graph, ‘Asians,’ whatever else might be said against them, seem to be somewhat less prone to crime than whites.

  5. Enoch Powell has the last laugh. Again.

  6. The UK is about 85% or more White British.

    Black & Asian are together in single digits, and until recently the largest immigrant groups are E Europeans.

    This entire charade is Brits trying to fit into the current American zeitgeist.

    The left by crying racism in a country that has almost no non whites.

    The right by crying about a diversity that doesn’t exist.

    The goalpost also consistently moves.
    You’re more likely to be persecuted for your political views or religion than race.

    The types of whites who hate over race tend not to be able to spell their first name. 👍

  7. Chinaman says:

    Hope you live long enough to see the UK disintegrate and dismembered.

    Everywhere you find pain and suffering, you can trace it back to some Brit’s shenanigans and megalomania a few generations ago. Brits are the most hated people on earth and should be extirpated from this planet. Send you white devils back to hell.

    Fill my heart with joy to watch them destroy themselves with immigration.

    • Troll: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jameson
    , @anonymouseperson
  8. Most places in Britain are not yet “destroyed”. It would still be possible to save the place, and indeed the rest of Western Europe, by ending mass immigration now. A large majority of white Britons, and a slender majority of immigrants, support such a move but the political, media, and business classes oppose it.

    When mass immigration began in 1948, many people objected, but nobody anticipated that the chattering classes would make certain “discoveries”: that white Britons are irredeemably racist, are at the root of everybody else’s problems, and make Britain into the worst place in the world for ordinary decent non-white people.

    Every one of the hundreds of reports on the subject of race relations is supposed to reach these conclusions, and for both the Left and business interests, it is quite unacceptable that even one report might paint a different picture.

    This constant humiliation of the native British was an unexpected consequence of immigration. It is exploited ruthlessly by business people who want more immigrants as cheap labour, and by goodwhites who want to assert their moral superiority over the lower classes whom they despise. This constant drumbeat of humiliation has led both to a loss of national confidence, and also to the abandonment of the white working class by the Labour Party. It is by far the worst consequence of immigration, worse even than Islamification or black crime.

    Borrowing from Steve Sailer’s comments on the USA, there is a battle going on between two large groups of white people who dislike each other. Non-whites are simply pawns in the game. Unlike the USA, the British “deplorables” are still largely unaware of the game that is being played, or how the rules are rigged so that they can never win.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  9. Franz says:

    They’ve ruined their country all because they were trying to score propaganda points against the hated Yanks, and I think it’s absolutely hilarious.

    You go too far. But not by much.

    In a Certain Scandinavian Country in 1970 a popular pastime on balmy days was to push prams in front of the U.S. Embassy in their country. The prams held Vietnamese war orphans and they shoved it in the Yank’s faces that they, the Good Nordics, were responsible for cleaning the mess that barbarous Yanks were irresponsibly destroying.

    A generation later those cute little babies are a terror to the native born kids. There are native youngsters who blame the “generation” at the time but these are class crimes, not generational. The upper classes like nothing more than to parade their virtue. At the expense of the rest of us.

    Britons are not the worst offenders. The US, as it implodes, has to reach out to all the potential pals we can get.

  10. @Bragadocious

    Most of British culture revolves around obsessing about America and attempting to lecture us.

    I wish it was that simple. After WWII there was a lot of construction work to do because the major cities had been bombed by the Luftwaffe, and there was a labour shortage. Immigration was seen as providing a solution.

    By the mid-1960s the Baby Boomers had begun to enter the workforce, and so the original motivation for immigration no longer existed. If it had stopped, we would be in a much better position today. However, business wanted it to continue because it caused downward pressure on wages, and reduced the bargaining power of the trade unions, which remained formidable until they were crushed by Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s.

    In the 1990s, immigration increased substantially under the government of Tony Blair. It would be nice to think that they had determined that more immigration would be good for the country, or even just for the economy; but this would be untrue. Blair’s aide Andrew Neather later told us that the purpose had been merely to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”.

    So there you have it: the wilful destruction of a nation in the interests of business and the whims of those who hate Daily Mail readers. If there was any attempt to lecture the USA, it was a regrettable flaw in our national character but it was purely incidental 😉

    • Agree: Rogue
    • Disagree: Pheasant
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  11. @Bragadocious

    Yu need GB’s hatred for the Yanks to come up with at least one plausible reason for the British to do what they have done immigration-wise.
    The reason you give does not look overly convincing though, which looks strange if I think about it. Could it be that something as big as these immigration problems did occur without a reason that could be named or pointed out quite easily?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  12. @Miro23

    I’ve met Brits in a colony of them in rural Southern France. Liberal middle class. And they fled to rural Southern France to have the nice relaxed life they admittedly could not find in GB any longer. They came from Manchester.
    The reason they gave was suspiciously natural too: The weather and stuff. They did mention one thing that was a bit telling in the other direction: That they did not have the nice butchers and bakers and craftsmen they found so lovely and admirable in France.

    • Thanks: Pheasant
  13. Dumbo says:

    It’s really just the British Empire in reverse. The Anglos have always arrogantly considered themselves the saviour of other races.

    Kiplings poem “White Man’s Burden” is nowadays considered “racist”, but it was actually the idea that the (Anglo) white man, through the British Empire, should somehow improve the lot of darker races (being able to also use the as cheap servants was also nice). So it’s not so different from modern progressivism, who decry racism and want to bridge the “education gap” and hire Manuel and José to mown their lawn and clean their pool.

    The only difference is that the British Empire, and its sucessor, America, now operates inwardly, bringing the darker races and the cheap servants inland.

    It’s also a class thing – as upper class Brits (and increasingly Americans) hate lower or working class Brits, so diversity is a way of punishing them or replacing them.

    • Replies: @Jameson
    , @GeeBee
  14. @Miro23

    always seems to come back to John Lennon’s “Imagine”

    Imagine is tolerable as a thought experiment. But it was not interpreted this way but rather as a prophecy of – multicultural heaven on earth. – We’re better known than Jesus Christ – the competitive nature of popular culture could make you quite easily boast out a sentence like that about the Beatles and Jesus Christ. But read as no phantasy but rather a prophecy it becomes inevitably clear that this song is – regressive. Childish. – Seen from that angle of a prophecy, it loses all its left-handed charm and reveals itself as – kitsch.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  15. Firefinga says:

    “Diversity Is Our Strength” the Western so called “Elites” have been shouting enthusiastically the last couple of years, sometimes decades. Well, for them it’s true, because “diversity” is an excellent divide and conquer tool.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  16. black dog says:
    @Bragadocious

    Yes, there’s some truth to what you say. From the moment us Brits came to terms with your revolution for independence (this took a while), our ruling classes decided that we were Greece to America’s Rome. They thought we, the Brits, might be a civilising influence. We speak the same language, and British law is the foundation of American law etc.

    But America is badly distorted as a culture or cultures in the British popular imagination. I’ve learned an incredible amount just by talking directly with Americans. America just isn’t how it’s portrayed in the British media etc.

    Similarly, we get the Hollywood version of race relations in America. Blacks are invariably harmless, victimised and up against “mindless” racism by white. Our middle classes love the idea of multiculturalism, so long as it’s nowhere near them. Yes, they assume that we can do this better than America, and have no awareness that Americans know far more than we do about their ethnics minorities. We also slavishly copy most things American. We have BLM and the BBC apparently believes that blacks are 14% of the population, not 3%. Frankly, it’s an insane mess.

    • Replies: @Tyronee Lemont
  17. G. Poulin says:
    @Miro23

    Solzhenitsyn reported that there were still True Believers even in the gulag. Their attitude was “I’m not sure what I did wrong, but the Party is always right so I must have deserved it.”

    • Replies: @Miro23
  18. @James N. Kennett

    “Unlike the USA, the British “deplorables” are still largely unaware of the game that is being played, or how the rules are rigged so that they can never win.” I half agree with you there, i think many working class Brits were aware of the game that is being played and a substantial proportion of older people voted for Brexit with the idea that immigration of Africans from France and Germany might be reduced and that Britain would have better border control than what was seen in the Cuckservative years under David Cameron. The biggest problem is that the young just have not gotten on board at all really, right wing gatherings in the UK are usually made up of men in their 50s and older, the young are so obsessed with the diet of rap and grime erm… music and corporate premier league football that they forget to even bother defending their country by voting for parties that may promise change. America seems to have had a healthier younger right wing movement, of all the things we have imported from America we failed to import that!

    • Replies: @Miro23
  19. unit472 says:

    I suppose it serves some geopolitical purpose to have a larger population, at least for those in power. I know as a teenager in the sixties I was concerned that the USSR had a much larger population than the USA and earlier in the 20th century the French worried that Germany’s population was larger than theirs. In turn Germany found to its dismay that Soviet manpower seemed inexhaustible as WW2 ground on.

    Other than the need for cannon fodder in some unlikely future war of attrition there doesn’t seem to be much advantage in population growth through immigration or territorial acquisition. The nation becomes less cohesive and more likely to break up under the strain of all out war. Hell, the USSR fell apart simply because it could no longer afford to exert control over its vast ‘diverse’ empire. I fear the US will go the same way.

    The UK too faces internal strain due to the economic and political dominance of England over Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland, e.g., might seek independence from an England swollen with millions of new non white immigrants as short of independence they have no way to keep immigrants England lets in out of Scotland.

    • Replies: @Rahan
  20. “How much more stupid have the Brits been, importing diverse peoples by the millions into an old, proud, and un-diverse nation, when there was no need to do so?“

    Well, that’s kind of the price of Empire. When you conquer a people, you implicitly give them the right to move anywhere within the empire, especially the center of the Imperium. That’s certainly how it worked in Rome. So yeah, maybe the Brits should have left Africa and the Subcontinent alone.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  21. Miro23 says:
    @G. Poulin

    Solzhenitsyn reported that there were still True Believers even in the Gulag. Their attitude was “I’m not sure what I did wrong, but the Party is always right so I must have deserved it.”

    I also read that, but it was more along the lines of letter writing, saying that they were the biggest supporters of Bolshevism and that a terrible error had been made in their case (didn’t do them any good).

  22. Jameson says:

    Several different people have posted their version of a video with historical pictures of England interposed with pictures of modern UK, to the soundtrack of The Kinks – Living on a Thin Line (1984). When I first saw them several years ago I was moved by it but now watching them trying to pick one to link to I don’t feel anything. Perhaps that is acceptance that the West is truly being lost, right before our eyes. Search for it it you are interested.

  23. @Miro23

    In 1979, Muslims took over Iran and then proceeded to destroy the Iranian left. Thousands of Iranian leftists were murdered. I was a leftist back then, and I found this a horrifying episode. A decade later came the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, and I was again horrified. I saw Muslims as the enemy of the left, and I assumed all leftists shared this view. It wasn’t until 9/11 that I realized that the vast majority of leftists here in the West saw Muslims as their friend. Incredible. It would be like blacks thinking of the KKK as their friend or Jews thinking of the Nazis as their friend. It’s some kind of strange death wish. And it is impossible to get through to them how crazy they are.

    • Replies: @ravin' lunatic
    , @Malla
  24. @Franz

    Britons are not the worst offenders. The US, as it implodes, has to reach out to all the potential pals we can get.

    Reaching out to the UK for friendship is like reaching out to a scorpion for a cuddle. Anyway, it seems to me it’s the UK that needs friends. They’re hated in Europe, distrusted throughout the Middle East and regarded as disgusting pedos in SE Asia. But I guess the Aussies still like them. They can have ’em.

    • Agree: HdC
    • Replies: @3g4me
  25. Jameson says:
    @Chinaman

    That is an idiotic view that many spout these days. It ignores the reality that if the evil white man had never stepped foot in the lands in colonized and attempted to modernize those lands would not today be wonderful utopias, they had problems long before the white man arrived, they had problems while the white man was there, and their problems continued long after the white man was GONE. But somehow their problems are the fault of the white man. BS. Same goes for the Indians in America, boo hoo hoo, what a great land it would be if they were still in control having never seen a white man, NOT.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  26. Jameson says:
    @Dumbo

    It ain’t bragging, or arrogant, if you can back it up. The ridiculous Muslims didn’t even have THE CLOCK until centuries after it was invented in Europe and taken to them during the colonial era. What exactly to the nitwits today think those lands would look like if the white man had never stepped foot on their precious soil? Answer, they would be crap today without any of the advancements brought to them by the evil white man. The Muslims wouldn’t have even known how to get the oil out of the ground! Their problems predate the arrival of the white man, and they persist long after the white man is gone. But somehow the racists today want to blame all those problems on the white man! What, is he so powerful that even the smallest interaction with him destroys those civilizations for centuries to come? Wow, that sure paints those cultures as very weak and pathetic, so inferior to the great white man whose influence they just can’t bear.

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
  27. Poirot says:

    Peter Hitchens: “[Why Mass immigration?] It Wasn’t Because We Liked Immigrants, But Because We Didn’t Like Britain.” https://vdare.com/posts/peter-hitchens-it-wasn-t-because-we-liked-immigrants-but-because-we-didn-t-like-britain

  28. Realist says:

    On That UK Race Report: Britain Destroyed Itself with Unnecessary Diversity

    Just like the US did.

    • Agree: SafeNow
  29. @Bragadocious

    Well, they don’t. They’ve ruined their country all because they were trying to score propaganda points against the hated Yanks, and I think it’s absolutely hilarious.

    They have also ruined their tourism industry with race denial.

    No one wants to visit a British knock off of America but with extra Muslims.

    I still haven’t met a single person that wants to go back to London.

    Instead of admitting race exists they created a big brother surveillance system.

    London is the future of all American cities. You can lose your career for talking about racial crime statistics while the government spies on people to stop “knife crime”.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  30. ‘The Great Replacement’ has gone mainstream.

    We are seeing an acceleration of discourse regarding the invasion of the Camp of the Saints. From school children, to workers, to retirees, everyone is talking about demographic change.

    Those who have some depth of knowledge are in the vanguard of a social revolution.

  31. @Franz

    Britons are not the worst offenders. The US, as it implodes, has to reach out to all the potential pals we can get.

    Britain is doomed and there is no reason to ally with a sinking ship.

    There is hope for the US but the Brits still apologize for their existence and far too many buy into race denial. Their entire country seems to think that US tv sitcoms are a realistic view of race. The US at least has a large contingent that is skeptical of the establishment claim that all races just happened to come out of Africa with the same abilities. The US also has free speech and it will be harder for the establishment to bury the inevitable study that puts egalitarian lies to bed.

    The Brits were doomed after WW1/WW2 dysgenics. Their idiotic class system sent their finest men into machine gun fire. The men that bred were all the stay puffs that lied or scammed to avoid conscription.

    My bet is that Brits will start fleeing to Eastern Europe. Whites that figure it out won’t be sticking around. This will create the same “White flight” problem we see in California and NY where the remaining Whites are total pushovers. Hispanics at least don’t come with a religion that tells them their hosts are evil and should be killed. So good luck with that.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @astrolabe
  32. @Jameson

    That is an idiotic view that many spout these days. It ignores the reality that if the evil white man had never stepped foot in the lands in colonized and attempted to modernize those lands would not today be wonderful utopias, they had problems long before the white man arrived

    Yes and the evil White man’s inventions that all non-Whites depend on wouldn’t exist.

    The anti-White egalitarian should throw his computer in the trash and refuse to use vaccines for the sake of non-White solidarity.

    Anyone looking for a non-White utopia should move to the Blackest country of the Americas. According to blame Whites first theory Haiti should be a sparkling utopia. Last I checked they still hadn’t mastered Roman level sanitation.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  33. @Bragadocious

    Bragadocious, I agree with Franz (who meant to reply to you) along with Mr. Kennett’s and the other’s replies. I don’t think this all came about to win propaganda points, but I do think that’s something the Euros, not just British, care about.

    I remember talking to Europeans way back to the 1980s, both there (on a long trip) and here, and they had this idea that Americans were bad, stupid, or something, for treating black people the way they had. They heard their left-wing press, which was much more lefty than America’s back then, and they had absolutely no experience on the subject.

    They are learning the hard way, which is not always the BEST way to learn. Peak Stupidity discussed this a couple of years ago in a post about France called “At least he made the trains run on time!”:

    What would bug me is the arrogant attitude that many had about things that they could not understand. American white people had put up with a lot and tried a lot of things to help, and to get along with, black people over the last 50, but arguably 165, years. Not much has worked. Yet, you’d hear from English, French, or German visitors (or talk to them on that trip overseas) that “your country is great, but what’s the deal with all that racism stuff?” “Why do you have all those deplorable racists treating black people so mean?” It came often in with the English condescension (because, just with that accent, they SOUND smarter!), the French snootyness (nose in the air – “you ave to treat zeeez people nicer, like we would in Fronce”) or the German air of authority (“We haff no Nazis now. You are zee racists.)

    I kind of wonder what some of these, now middle-aged, volks haff to … [Stop that! – Ed] say about the situation, now that they have a large unassimilable crowd of un-like people in their midst. Would they think back to their words of yesteryear and understand they were wrong? Maybe they would tell me that their situation is different, that these Moslems and blacks in Europe are just not assimilated yet, but in America we are still just racists, sticking to the narrative. I don’t know, but it’s another case of schadenfreude for me, as some of them must be wondering if their situation matches large portions of American cities, and I’d like to head over there just for a quick “I told you so”.

    As per some replies here, they’ve ruined their countries for multiple reasons.

  34. Rahan says:
    @unit472

    Scotland, e.g., might seek independence from an England swollen with millions of new non white immigrants as short of independence they have no way to keep immigrants England lets in out of Scotland.

    I dunno, the current one-party system in Scotland seems to consist of people aspiring to make it “a Scandinavian country” very much meaning all the Somalian gangs and sheit.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  35. Chinaman says:
    @John Johnson

    The anti-White egalitarian should throw his computer in the trash and refuse to use vaccines for the sake of non-White solidarity.

    I use a 5G Huawei foldable phone with no google and everything I see in front of me is made in China or Taiwan.

    However, you should throw away your iPhone and all your computers since they are all made in China.

    • Replies: @Jameson
    , @3g4me
    , @John Johnson
  36. @dieter kief

    Yep, exactly, Dieter. If thought of as a thought experiment, Imagine is not a bad song (great melody, for one thing.) You don’t take some young pop singer’s lyrics as the Gospel, even if he was bigger than Jesus, but that was only as part of the Beatles* anyway. Thanks, Yoko!

    Imagine no more possessions! Damn that tax man – better move out of England to New York.

    .

    * If you’re not familiar with this “combo”, well, you know that guy Paul McCartney? He was in a band before, called ….

    .

    .

    .

    Wings. Paul McCartney, his wife Linda McCartney, and Denny Lane:

  37. GeeBee says:
    @Dumbo

    as upper class Brits (and increasingly Americans) hate lower or working class Brits,

    I’m sorry, but that statement could only be made by an American, or just possibly by a Brit who knew nothing whatsoever about the Upper-classes. It is the middle-classes who have always been regarded with scorn by the Upper-class, because of their pretensions and their bad treatment of the working-class (exploitation, usury). The Upper-class attitude to the working-classes has always been paternalistic (in the case of the rural working-class) or one of disinterest at worse, in the case of the urban working-class.

    Also, upper- and working-class people share many tastes, especially with regard to food (I recall a very amusing – and slightly surprising, bearing in mind that BBC scriptwriters are mostly middle-class – BBC programme analysing the class system in a series of amusing sketches. In one of them, an airline, calling itself ‘Class Air’, offered three tiers of seating area: not first, second and third class, but upper, middle and lower class. A steward made an announcement mid-flight that dinner would shortly be served, saying “those in working-class will have fish and chips, while those in the middle-class tier will have lightly sautéed langoustine on a bed of endive salad with an almost fat-free mayonnaise. Those in the upper-class tier will have fish and chips” – so very accurate.)

    They also both have distinctive accents, not at all like the ‘received pronunciation’ of the old BBC. They also both disdain middle-class words and expressions: for example both say ‘lavatory’, whereas the middle-classes say ‘toilet’; they both say ‘what?’ whereas the middle-classes say ‘pardon?’; They both say ‘sitting room’ whereas the middle-classes say ‘lounge’ and so on and so on.

    For their part, the working-classes, by and large, still regard the upper-classes with a mixture of awe and pride. Needless to say – again, sharing a taste with the upper-classes – they detest the middle-class.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  38. Miro23 says:
    @oliver elkington

    “Unlike the USA, the British “deplorables” are still largely unaware of the game that is being played, or how the rules are rigged so that they can never win.” I half agree with you there, i think many working class Brits were aware of the game that is being played and a substantial proportion of older people voted for Brexit with the idea that immigration of Africans from France and Germany might be reduced…

    Working class Brits seem to go their own way. For example they never got into (middle class) hippy Counter Culture and its music. When it started getting a grip in the late 60’s/ early 70’s, they shot off at a tangent with their “Northern Soul” – having big parties focused around little known US soul bands. For example, a top favourite – “The Tams – Hey Girl Don’t Bother Me” from Top of The Pops 1971 (originally released in the US 1964 only reaching 64 on the Billboard Hot 100).

  39. @Jameson

    Great civilizations in the Middle East and North Africa first initiated clock making some 5,000 to 6,000 years ago. With their attendant bureaucracies and formal religions, these cultures found a need to organize their time more efficiently.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-sun-clocks-4078627

    not only do you show your woke “uneducatedness” but you actually proved for the entire unz reading world that you are dumb🤷‍♂️

    But what can you expect from a uneducated racist moron.

    I hope and pray that you are from the 77th or any other imperial propaganda farm, bc if you are a (below) average humanoid you are part of the evidence that the zapad is a dying civillization.

  40. @Per/Norway

    “Great civilizations in the Middle East and North Africa first initiated clock making some 5,000 to 6,000 years ago.”

    They were Caucasian too uneducated racist moron.

    • Replies: @Jameson
  41. SafeNow says:

    Here in S. Calif, we have two different kinds of immigrant diversity populations — the leafblower kind, and the dentist kind. This is unsayable. It is also unsayable in the Commission’s report. It is glossed-over in a section called “wage gap.” Basically they say that, gee, we need studies to “disaggregate” the data for different ethnic groups. I suspect that Brits already know darn well what the “disaggregation” is, but that it is unsayable. Britain has strapped a piano on the back of Fred Astaire, and now expects him to dance, to use a figure of speech I have posted elsewhere.

  42. @Jatt Aryaa

    The UK is about 85% or more White British.

    Where do all those bouncing babies named Mohammad come from then?

    Isn’t the population of London, a city with a Pakistani dwarf as a mayor, less than 50% White and British?

    How about Manchester, Birmingham and some of the other large cities?

  43. Jameson says:
    @Alfred Muscaria

    And sun clocks are not A CLOCK that runs in light and dark, to suggest otherwise is truly absurd. That is akin to saying that someone banging on a drum around the campfire is THE EQUAL of a 100 piece symphony orchestra playing a complex piece of music written by a very intelligent and creative man. But then, there are people today who would make exactly that claim. It would be white supremacy to suggest otherwise!

    And what about those genius Muslims, they used their Satanic so-called “call to prayer” to keep time.

  44. Jameson says:
    @Chinaman

    Major difference between “made in…” and “INVENTED AND DESIGNED IN…”

    • Replies: @TG
  45. SafeNow says:

    “Major difference between “made in…” and “INVENTED AND DESIGNED IN…””

    Good point, not the only historically, but also regarding the current interdependence of the US and China. In org-syn, US Pharma scientists invent an elaborate 60-step process to create a new molecule.
    China then takes over to do the fastidious “bench work.” Neither is very good at doing what the other is doing.

  46. MarkU says:
    @Firefinga

    Agreed, divide and conquer is the real point.

  47. TG says:

    A great post, BUT:

    “How much more stupid have the Brits been, importing diverse peoples by the millions into an old, proud, and un-diverse nation, when there was no need to do so?”

    No not stupid, but evil and corrupt. It was not the British people that did this, but the ruling class. They did this not for ‘diversity’ but to drive wages down and rents and profits up.

    It’s all about the cheap labor. Follow the money. And it worked as it was intended to work.

  48. TG says:
    @Jameson

    Yes and no.

    In the short run you are correct. In the long run, invention and design follows the manufacturing base.

    And even now, how much of the ‘invented and designed in the USA’ is name only, the real invention and design offshored?

  49. 3g4me says:
    @Jatt Aryaa

    @ 6 Jatt Aryaa: How much skin whitening cream do you use, Jatt? How many Whites have you lusted after and slept with, before marrying your first cousin?

  50. 3g4me says:
    @Bragadocious

    @24 Bragadocious: The eternal lament of the Aussie who can’t get over his hatred of the ‘poms.’ The whinging Frenchman. And then there’s Bragadocious, who spits on the cradle of modern Western civilization and brilliant culture. Anti-English is anti-White. Sod off.

    • LOL: Bragadocious
  51. 3g4me says:
    @Chinaman

    @35 Chinaman: Still smarting because White women wouldn’t date you, poor little yella fella.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  52. Daniel H says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s interesting to note that according to the graph, ‘Asians,’ whatever else might be said against them, seem to be somewhat less prone to crime than whites.

    Child rape notwithstanding.

  53. Everything Derbyshire says is true, but his pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not. Derbyshire rails against non-whites yet has brought a non-white wife into America and fathered two half-white children. This does not bother me even slightly since I greatly like the Chinese and do not doubt that his kids are good citizens. But the sheer hypocrisy grates.

  54. Vinnie O says:

    I will read some version of the report at some point in the future.

    But a thing you MUST understand is that well through WW1 CATHOLIC Irish-Americans were a widely persecuted group. PROTESTANT Irish-Americans NEVER suffered any similar discrimination, and so there were a NUMBER of Irish-Americans who became presidents of the USA (e.g., Zachary Taylor) prior to the Earth-shaking election of the Catholic Jack Kennedy. (Kennedy was of course then ASSASSINATED…)

    The Civil War riots in New York were staged by desperately poor CATHOLIC Irishmen, who knew they were being sent into combat so some Protestant didn’t need to go.

    I’m not sure how much effect The Civil Rights Act had on formal and informal discrimination against Catholics, but not even the Catholic bishops in the US ever seemed to care. Although the bishops DID begin forming “parochial [parish] schools” so Catholic could avoid the worst excesses of “public” schools run by Catholic-hating Protestants. (There is a story about a grade school boy in New York who was VICIOUSLY beaten IN THE CLASSROOM for reciting “the 10 Commandments” using the Catholic phrasing of the Commandments…)

    But again, go ahead and discriminate against Catholics as much as you want as long as they’re not Colored.

  55. @Chinaman

    I use a 5G Huawei foldable phone with no google and everything I see in front of me is made in China or Taiwan.


    However, you should throw away your iPhone and all your computers since they are all made in China.

    You are still using a microchip and the web which were invented by Whites. So stop appropriating White culture.

  56. @3g4me

    35 Chinaman: Still smarting because White women wouldn’t date you, poor little yella fella.

    Asians like him are bored by his own kind.

    I’m sure he makes excuses to avoid extremely boring Asian social dinners so he can get on Unz to tell Whites about how bad they are.

    I really don’t see how anyone can marry an Asian woman that has family nearby. The monotony of frequent dinners must be overwhelming.

  57. @Frederick V. Reed

    Everything Derbyshire says is true, but his pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican?

    I would if you renounced your American citizenship.

    You can be a White Mexican transplant. Racially you would still be White but Mexicans can be any race.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  58. Jameson says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Way to totally miss the entire concept of being an American. Good one. Thanks for the laugh. Funny, but that people don’t know what it means to be an American is actually our problem.

  59. @Frederick V. Reed

    ‘Everything Derbyshire says is true, but his pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not. Derbyshire rails against non-whites yet has brought a non-white wife into America and fathered two half-white children. This does not bother me even slightly since I greatly like the Chinese and do not doubt that his kids are good citizens. But the sheer hypocrisy grates.’

    Identity is also — within limits — also a matter of how one chooses to identify.

    I’m reminded of English bigots of a hundred years ago who would sneer at second-generation foreign Jews referring to ‘we Englishmen…’

    Well, it could get a bit farcical. But America and Airstrip One really are pretty similar. Basically, if I go there and act exactly as if I’m at home, there’ll be the odd bump and hiccup — but it’ll work (just don’t try driving.)

    I’m not exactly outraged at Derbyshire coming to see himself as American. It’s fine with me. He can even have an Asian wife. Indeed, somewhat oddly, that makes him more American, not less. It would seem stranger if he still identified as English.

    In any case, the fight is getting serious. Past a point, I’m going to make common cause with anyone who’s close enough. We need to win, not stay intellectually pure.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  60. @John Johnson

    ‘I would if you renounced your American citizenship.

    You can be a White Mexican transplant. Racially you would still be White but Mexicans can be any race.’

    I ha’ ma doots.

    Mexico’s national identity is so strongly tied into not being the United States that for an American to move there and announce he’s Mexican would always seem a bit like the two hundred pound transsexual claiming to be a woman.

    It wouldn’t work. Perhaps a Frenchman — even a German — could plausibly make the claim after twenty years in-country. An American? I think not.

  61. Mexico’s national identity is so strongly tied into not being the United States that for an American to move there and announce he’s Mexican would always seem a bit like the two hundred pound transsexual claiming to be a woman.

    Only to Americans that haven’t been around Mexicans.

    Mexicans are pretty utilitarian. If you are White and doing business with Mexicans then they will assume it is for good reason.

    They don’t seem to like Guatemalans but an American White moving to Mexico and getting citizenship isn’t going to bother them. The Mexican upper class is heavily Spanish and they pretty much consider them to be White.

  62. @Per/Norway

    Oh whatever.

    Watch Laurence of Arabia to have a look at what life was like before we showed them how to drill oil and sell it to us so they could buy weapons that we also invented.

    Islam decrees that the highest form of civilization has already existed in the past. Instead of trying to improve life the best you can do is completely submit to Allah. Not exactly a good religion for technological progress.

  63. Miro23 says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not.

    That’s the point.

    Fred’s status is presumably “Long term foreign resident” (without the right to vote), which is how it should be because he’s not Mexican (it’s their national home – not his). There’s nothing “racist” about it.

    However, it doesn’t in any way mean that he can’t make a good life there, contribute, pay taxes and generally enjoy being there. I would guess that lots of Americans don’t know that they (and their families), would probably have a better life/opportunities in places like Uruguay, Peru or Chile than they do in the US.

    They’d need to learn Spanish – but that’s not too difficult – and South America isn’t organized against white people, plus it’s mostly Christian.

  64. @Hapalong Cassidy

    “How much more stupid have the Brits been, importing diverse peoples by the millions into an old, proud, and un-diverse nation, when there was no need to do so?“

    Well, that’s kind of the price of Empire. When you conquer a people, you implicitly give them the right to move anywhere within the empire, especially the center of the Imperium.

    They only have that right if you grant it to them.

    Look at how long the British ruled over India and they certainly weren’t bringing them in as citizens.

    Both the US and Britain got a case of the stupids after WW2. The US decided that race must not exist and Britain not only agreed but doubled down on British culture being everything. They brought in Muslims (and continue to) under the delusion of blank slate. Instead of admitting error they have switched to the genius strategy of trying to shutdown any discussion regarding race. That’ll show em.

  65. unwoke says:

    “How much more stupid have the Brits been, importing diverse peoples by the millions into an old, proud, and un-diverse nation, when there was no need to do so?”

    They’ve been importing plenty of foreign footballers, too. About 70% of players from over 60 different countries are employed in the Premier League now, the most by a very wide margin of any top tier league in Europe (& probably the rest of the world, as well). And it doesn’t stop there. Foreign owners too, have been gobbling up venerable old English clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Everton. The latest foreign acquisition is Newcastle United by none other than Mohammed Bin Salman, the despot of Saudi Arabia; bringing the total of foreign-owned clubs in the EPL to 14 out of 20, or 70% again. And when the national England team line up to open Euro 2020 in June, which had been postponed for a year, the squad will probably be about one-third ‘diverse’; featuring old, proud English names like Jadon Sancho, Raheem Sterling, Tyrone Mings, Kalvin Phillips, Bukayo Saka. Oh yeah, the national sport is now the world sport even in England itself.

  66. @Frederick V. Reed

    There’s the matter of genetics, and there’s the matter of assimilation. Mr. Derbyshire has assimilated very well in the 25 or more years he’s been here compared to lots of other Europeans. I would say that the British are a special case who ought to be the quickest to assimilate due to things like the original US having been created by the British people.

    For his Chinese wife, it was probably a long time before she was close to assimilated. The kids are undoubtably very well assimilated due to the influence of their Dad and not living in a Chinatown or LA Chinese suburb. Assimilation works in small numbers, a family, wife, an occasional ex-pat here and there. Even for the closest of peoples genetically it doesn’t work in large numbers though.

    Mr. Derbyshire rails against the large numbers. Yes, his wife is part of these large numbers, but then fiance/marriage visas are not a big proportion of the numbers of immigration visas, especially after you subtract out all the fraudulent ones. I also reckon that he did not see the importance of this immigration issue way back in the mid-1990s.

    Lay off, Mr. Reed. You are both good writers, but I get a lot more truth from John Derbyshire’s writing than from yours.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Rex Little
  67. @Chinaman

    Actually The British presence did more good then Bad. Roads and bridges built in India, ending the Thugee cult and the practice of Suttee among a few examples.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  68. @James N. Kennett

    Which group of ‘whites’ controls the media, politics and business? Hint. Rhymes with few.

  69. @John Pepple

    they live in an imagined world. this is not always a bad thing- we need visionaries and innovators after all- but they should never be allowed anywhere near political power!

  70. Franz says:
    @John Johnson

    There is hope for the US but

    Not too sure about that.

    The US has an unusual bind going on: Property and rents go up, cost of living goes up, but earning power flattened years ago and shows no signs of revival.

    The squeeze is on for millions of new people in the work sector, but also on the millions of downsized oldsters who must work till they die. The previous generation of downsized and “redundant” folk have nothing to fall back on, and are a paycheck away from insolvency or homelessness.

    Hope for the middle class recedes also. Their next on the taxable lists but many of them are struggling also. If it were ONLY the money, it would be bad enough, but the new arrivals keep arriving. I see them from time to time and they have zero interest in assimilating to the nation or even working in it. The scam is too big to sketch here, but it’s unstoppable.

    My hope is Eastern Europe will take American refugees, at least those of us with European backgrounds. I hope you are right about that. We might be useful there. We sure wouldn’t miss it here.

  71. @black dog

    I’d trade your television version of America for the real thing.

    They don’t want to have a job. And only 1 in 4 black women in the USA will ever marry.
    A 70 percent rate of fatherless children. There are no rules anymore in America.

    The minorities are open racists and resent order of any kind. Their acts of self-harm are amusing if nothing else.

  72. El Dato says:
    @anonymouseperson

    But that stuff was AUTHENTIC!

    CULTURAL EXPROPRIATION!
    CULTURAL EXPROPRIATION!!!!

  73. El Dato says:
    @dieter kief

    Could it be a childish counter-reaction to Powell’s “rivers of blood” speech. After all, the mind of a liberal is indistinguishable from that of a child. Time doesn’t exist, nothing has consequences and resources are infinite.

    That old chestnut appears so often to show how Powell was WRONG while looking out of the window shows how he was RIGHT that it must have something to do with it.

    “We will show that old racist fogey! Open Up! Muh windrush generation!!! INVITE ALL HONGKONGERS!”

  74. @Colin Wright

    It’s interesting to note that according to the graph, ‘Asians,’ whatever else might be said against them, seem to be somewhat less prone to crime than whites.

    Take just about any measurable human characteristic, find the group averages for whites, blacks and Asians, and compare them. You’ll find whites in the middle, with blacks on one side and Asians the other. (Who is on the low side and who the high depends, of course, on which characteristic you’re measuring.)

  75. 3g4me says:
    @Colin Wright

    @59 Colin Wright: “Identity is also — within limits — also a matter of how one chooses to identify.”

    Generally incorrect. One may identify as whatever one wishes, but that does not change one’s intrinsic nature nor make one’s identified nature comport with reality. Under current American laws, Mr. Derbyshire counts as a citizen. I do not consider him an American, but rather an English expat. This is no slur or criticism of Mr. Derbyshire; I think English ancestry is something to be proud of. But becoming part of a people takes generations – and Mr. Derbyshire’s children were the first ones born on American soil and have no American genetic roots whatsoever. Ask again in perhaps 100 years, although I would be surprised if the country called “America” survives much more than another decade.

    Identity is primarily NOT who one chooses to identify with, but who one is claimed by. This also depends on how said group defines its borders. If we’re discussing legal citizenship versus genuine nationality, those are two different things. If one is discussing race, that depends on genetic mix. If an individual is accepted by a group as one of their own, and that also matches what said individual identifies as, that is serendipitous. More often than not, however, the mixed-race individual is neither fish nor fowl. White’s generally know their own, and other races are even quicker to reject those whose ancestry does not go back generations in their native land.

    You claim to be more concerned with winning than purity, but perhaps you ought to first consider what . . . and who . . . you are fighting for. If it’s ‘Americans’ based on birth or paper, then you are yet another civnat. If it’s based on race, then your definition of ‘purity’ (i.e. perhaps 50% White) is not one most other White Identitarians share.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  76. vinteuil says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    …Derbyshire…pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not…

    An Englishman of The Derb’s generation is way, way closer to an American of the same generation than Fred Reed is to a Mexican. That’s just a dumb comparison.

    Derbyshire rails against non-whites…

    Really? He does? I read just about everything The Derb writes, but I’ve never known him to write anything that could be fairly described that way…

    …yet has brought a non-white wife into America and fathered two half-white children…the sheer hypocrisy grates.

    Hypocrisy is, by definition, practicing the opposite of what one avows

    So where’s the hypocrisy, here?

  77. @3g4me

    ‘You claim to be more concerned with winning than purity, but perhaps you ought to first consider what . . . and who . . . you are fighting for. If it’s ‘Americans’ based on birth or paper, then you are yet another civnat. If it’s based on race, then your definition of ‘purity’ (i.e. perhaps 50% White) is not one most other White Identitarians share.’

    While I’m all for arguing, past a point, the quarrels really do start becoming no more than a way to lose.

    You have to decide. Do you want to pick out a few essential points, let the rest go, and have some chance of winning — or do you want to be like one of those ridiculous Communist cells of the Sixties — ideologically impeccable, but with a membership of twelve? Look up “Comrade Laski, C.P.U.S.A. (M.-L.)” by Joan Didion.

    That’s just futile — worse than futile, since you’re handing the game to those you really won’t like.

    I want to win. It doesn’t have to be all my way. Just enough of it so I can live with the compromises. Big tent, dude. Derbyshire can definitely be in it. Him and his Asian wife.

  78. I will gladly take 25 million New American John Derbyshires – even if they have Chinese wives – over one of the illegal aliens whom our Dear Ruler$ allow to violate our border, and over one of the phony “refugees” whom our Dear Ruler$ force us to pay to come and plant themselves in our midst.

  79. Chinaman says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    For his Chinese wife, it was probably a long time before she was close to assimilated. The kids are undoubtably very well assimilated due to the influence of their Dad and not living in a Chinatown or LA Chinese suburb.

    We are doing you a favour by giving you a race traitor bitch who would have an edifying\eugenic effect on your gene pool by introducing high IQ and impulse control alleles. You guys still need 20000 years of evolution to become civilised.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  80. @Franz

    FRANZ

    Back in the 90’s when Michigan auto industrial cities collapsed, I knew some Polish-Americans who returned to Poland.

    [MORE]

    One of them Anoushka, was a college friend of mine from Flint. She grew up in a nice if modest Polish-Hungarian American neighborhood & was a Slavic beauty. Then Flint collapsed in the mid-80’s. Being a Polish-American woman who resembles Paulina Poriskova in her prime is a nightmare when you are from the US Rustbelt cities such as Detroit or Pittsburgh or Indiana.

    Essentially, blacks attempt to rape you every time you walk out the front door. Then eventually, they try to break into your house & rape you there.

    Polish-Americans are some of the toughest white Americans. There is a reason why the whites on American football teams are often Polish. So many of them simply refused to sell their houses & leave rustbelt cities when they could still sell it. I can assure you, their daughters regretted this.

    Walk up to 10 Polish-American girls from Rust Belt cities like Detroit or Flint or Gary & I assure you that 7 of them have been raped by black thugs.

    The final exodus of Polish-Americans from the Rustbelt cities occurred in the nineties. A fair number of them, the grandchildren of Polish immigrants…returned to Krakow (This was the source of immigration for the most part).

    As you also noted, some of the Slavic women from the Rust Belt industrial cities of the Midwest like Tracy Lords (Norma Kuzma) were drawn into pornography.

    There are also a number of African-American GI’s who intentionally marry a German women while station in Germany (I’m German-American) simply to never have to return to US rustbelt ghettos.

    As for homelessness, the GOP lumpenprole morons in the USA believe any minimum wage hike or anything approaching social democracy will lead to the horrors of Venezuelan socialism.

    Because half of them have no more than a GED & cannot spell the world economics they can be led to believe that minimum wage raises & taxation of corporations will lead to communism & of course the corporations who own US politicians pay the politicians to be mouthpieces who preach this.

    I would say things were slightly better in Clinton’s time when he taxed the corporations by 30% while Bush reduced the corporate tax to 10% but the lumpen prole are so stupid & fixated on issues like whether abortion is wrong or teaching Darwinism in schools while the US infrastructure falls apart: to this day they continue to drone on about Clinton’s BJ’s & weird sham marriage even as the Bush era nearly destroyed the world. They want to lay it on a homosexual black coke hustler named Obama who blew old white men for his blow as younger man, but the systemic problems of the US were the results of the Bush era of course.

    Donald Trump’s biggest flaw was that he was a rent-seeker who would never put a cap on rising rent because of course he himself is a landlord. So now 40 year old men live their entire lives in their parent’s basement. This is why the white population of young people joined BLM. Back in 1992 they would have never gotten involved in the LA riots because as the Boomers had not quite yet pulled the economic ladder up behind them so early Gen X of 28 in 1992 could still be Yuppies who had a job, wife, house, car & some semblance of a normal life while now there is an entire generation of Gen Y who have lived at home & been jobless their entire lives as a result of rising rents, outsourcing & coming of age in a hellish economy.

    As for the difference between European immigrants & US ones, the hellishness of the US prison system & the sheer savagery of US inner-city criminals persuades the Pakistanis & Gypsies in America to be the most well-behaved in the world. In this sense, the sheer savagery of the ghetto blacks & Mestizos of Latin America is a blessing-troublesome groups in Europe go-straight in America. A Gypsy picking pockets in the inner-city? How long will she last? Civilized European crime is non-existent in the USA. Whites & South Asians (Including Gypsies) don’t commit street crime much because the blacks & Mestizos will kill them.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Franz
  81. @Franz

    The US has an unusual bind going on: Property and rents go up, cost of living goes up, but earning power flattened years ago and shows no signs of revival.

    The squeeze is on for millions of new people in the work sector, but also on the millions of downsized oldsters who must work till they die. The previous generation of downsized and “redundant” folk have nothing to fall back on, and are a paycheck away from insolvency or homelessness.

    Most of our problems are still tied to living in delusion.

    White people cling to the belief that there must be some liberal or conservative solution to race and we just need to keep trying to fix what is really just nature.

    If we could accept race and move on it would be a lot easier to mitigate problems like housing and wages.

    Just look at how much the mainstream media covers racial stories. It becomes a massive distraction because so many have been convinced that America is a racist place that must be redeemed.

    Most White people in this country are unable to see our problems clearly. They struggle with bills and then watch TV news to learn about how privileged they are.

    Over 100 billion a year is spent on racial delusion. Our entire foreign policy is built on the assumption that race is just skin color and we just need to fund socialism or capitalism in other countries. Billions upon billions of public and private funds are spent trying to fix Africa. If we could spend those billions on housing and jobs in the US it would make a huge difference.

    It’s all a mad circus that is held together by establishment propaganda. There is no reason to believe it can endure anymore than the USSR.

    • Replies: @Franz
  82. @Chinaman

    We are doing you a favour by giving you a race traitor bitch who would have an edifying\eugenic effect on your gene pool by introducing high IQ and impulse control alleles. You guys still need 20000 years of evolution to become civilised.

    Oh right like eating pangolins and tossing baby girls off boats.

    Or locking people up because they write about how it is greedy for China to impose their big brother state on a 426 square mile territory that never had the revolution and yet did just fine.

    Nothing says civilized like sending people off to re-education camps because they have their own political opinions.

    Now go grind up a whale penis to make some tea for impotence because you guys obviously had it all figured out before the White man came along.

  83. @Jeff Stryker

    One of them Anoushka, was a college friend of mine from Flint. She grew up in a nice if modest Polish-Hungarian American neighborhood & was a Slavic beauty. Then Flint collapsed in the mid-80’s. Being a Polish-American woman who resembles Paulina Poriskova in her prime is a nightmare when you are from the US Rustbelt cities such as Detroit or Pittsburgh or Indiana.

    They will also beat up the handsome boys and men. You will rarely see obese White men as victims of Black rage. They want to beat and rob the White men that can get White women.

    I would say things were slightly better in Clinton’s time when he taxed the corporations by 30% while Bush reduced the corporate tax to 10% but the lumpen prole are so stupid & fixated on issues like whether abortion is wrong or teaching Darwinism in schools while the US infrastructure falls apart

    Bush barely touched corporate tax rates. What he did was cut capital gains taxes for the wealthy.

    Working class Whites in this country were never given a good choice. Clinton signed NAFTA and basically said adios to US manufacturing.

    Republicans get votes with abortion while Democrats open the borders while claiming to be for workers. Both sides are dirty and only seek to exploit White workers.

    They want to lay it on a homosexual black coke hustler named Obama who blew old white men for his blow as younger man, but the systemic problems of the US were the results of the Bush era of course.

    Obama could have pushed the Bush tax cuts back but instead did nothing when they had the votes. The lower capital gains tax for the rich is outrageous and yet most Democrats in DC support it. Watch as Biden talks about raising it but then it will be conveniently forgotten when the bill is written. The Democrats now how more wealthy donors than the Republicans.

    So this narrative of Whites working against their best interest by voting for Republicans is intellectually dishonest. They don’t have a party that works for them and like other groups have to pick their poison.

  84. @Achmed E. Newman

    The kids are undoubtably very well assimilated due to the influence of their Dad and not living in a Chinatown or LA Chinese suburb.

    Mostly the latter. Given where they were born and raised, Derb’s kids had friends, classmates, teachers and community leaders who were overwhelmingly American. People raised in that kind of environment are almost certain to be culturally and emotionally American, even if their parents don’t speak a word of English.

    Two of my friends are brothers in their 40s. Their parents are both Chinese who immigrated from Taiwan as adults, but didn’t settle in any Chinatown. The brothers were born here and grew up in mostly white suburbs of Los Angeles and Phoenix. They married white American women and are themselves indistinguishable from white Americans in any respect but appearance.

    These days, the ethnic enclaves are so large that most children of immigrants–mostly from Mexico and Central America, but increasingly Asia as well–don’t grow up surrounded by Americans, and therefore don’t really become American themselves.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  85. @James N. Kennett

    there was a lot of construction work to do because the major cities had been bombed by the Luftwaffe, and there was a labour shortage. Immigration was seen as providing a solution.

    Mostly correct, but there is a context. Post war, many Britons were encouraged to emigrate to Canada, Australia and New Zealand, which helped create a labour shortage. The bombing of the major cities were primarily industrial areas and ports, not the carpet bombing done by the Allies across Europe.
    A few years back, I read an interesting article on the “Windrush Affair”, and the role played by the usual suspects within the Labour government in perpetrating the scam, down to the irony of the Windrush being the former German cruise ship Monte Rosa.
    Your noses were being rubbed in the dirt, and nobody has woken to that.

  86. @GeeBee

    Slightly off topic, but the upper class tier are the ones who have supported the traditional skilled craftsmen (and women). Their estates employed hundreds of people and were labour intensive. They relied on the working classes and vice versa. These people had to think long term so as to pass the estate to the next generation. Rather than seeing meaningful employment as honourable but underpaid, those “in service” were told it was degrading.
    On the political side, it was almost always the most “conservative” of the hereditary “Lords” that opposed the madness that has been imposed on Britain. Tony Blair needed them out of the way to finish the job by loading the Lords with the likes of Lords Cashpoint and Janner.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  87. GeeBee says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Thanks for that. Yes indeed, the Blair government’s determination to do away with the last vestiges of aristocratic hereditary power (which didn’t actually quite succeed – there are still a hundred hereditary peers in the House of Lords) was driven by the recalcitrant defence by the hereditary peers of so many aspects of traditional Britain that Blair and his (((cabinet))) needed to do away with.

    Anyone familiar with literature that deals with English rural life from the late-eighteenth to the early-twentieth centuries will know that your point regarding domestic service is also valid. In many large, country houses, the staff more or less ruled the roost. And they had absolute security of tenure, together with generous allowances for clothing plus all the food they required for free – to say nothing of living and working in some of the most beautiful locations imaginable – a far cry from the hideous squalor which the newly urbanised masses endured in the wake of the Industrial Revolution. These poor wretches, trapped in the clutches of the grasping nouveaux riches drawn mainly from the lower-middle and middle-classes, working in atrocious conditions for more than 70 hours a week for a pittance, under a regime where they could be fired for looking out of the window of one of the grimy, noisy and dangerous factories into which they were herded like cattle, had incomparably poorer lives than those cared for under the wing of traditional aristocratic paternalism.

    No wonder that both the upper- and lower-classes detest the middle-class.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  88. Joanne Cairns, the head of research and economics at the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers (Usdaw) told the Commons Home Affairs Committee this week, “Some 400,000 violent incidents were reported in convenience stores last year, with more than 10,000 of them involving a weapon.”

    That’s an astonishing figure. Let’s have the numbers by race.

  89. Franz says:
    @John Johnson

    Over 100 billion a year is spent on racial delusion. Our entire foreign policy is built on the assumption that race is just skin color and we just need to fund socialism or capitalism in other countries. Billions upon billions of public and private funds are spent trying to fix Africa. If we could spend those billions on housing and jobs in the US it would make a huge difference.

    Those billions are stolen because a nation this big, with finance laws so convoluted, just cannot keep track of who is stealing what at any given time.

    The solution to THAT is what the anti-Federalists said the first time: Let little nations flourish and saw off the top. If there were any reason to send US troops to every loose piece of real estate on Earth it evaporated long time ago. There’s lots of good folk in the US. Lots of good land. Let the good folks take their share and peacefully become real, sane sized nations.

    I mean it’s going to happen anyway. The question is do we do it peacefully and deliberately or will it be messy and bloody? Odds are even at the moment, because most people remain unaware they have a choice.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  90. Franz says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Polish-Americans are some of the toughest white Americans.

    You bet. The wife is German-Polish, an excellent combination. She fled a darkening neighborhood and we are both checking in to leaving the States behind. But we are both stubborn too.

    The trouble is, nations (and fortunes) are made when nations rise, and when they fall. Right now the US is falling and opportunities to take advantage of that fact are multiplying weekly. Most lawyers know this, politicians have known it longer.

    The States can easily crumble like the Soviet Union did. Become a bunch of small nations, probably even ethnostates. If so, it might be an amazing time to be alive and it might happen fast.

    The squealing going on about Tucker Carlson seem to prove there’s desperation on the top floor. That’s good news for us working folk. Let the discorporation begin!

  91. astrolabe says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘Asians,’ whatever else might be said against them, seem to be somewhat less prone to crime than whites.

    This is likely to be an artefact of officialdom being reluctant to investigate criminality by Muslims, and Muslims being reluctant to use officialdom to resolve the trespasses against them.

  92. astrolabe says:
    @Jatt Aryaa

    The UK is about 85% or more White British.

    Census data shows that White British had decreased from 87.5 per cent in 2001 to 80.5 per cent in 2011. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/articles/ethnicityandnationalidentityinenglandandwales/2012-12-11. You are a liar.

    This doesn’t account for other nationalities being less likely to return a census or for the last ten years, which should be captured in the latest census, which will be published over the next couple of years.

  93. 3g4me says:
    @Rex Little

    @ 84 Rex Little: And again, at a site purportedly dedicated to the belief in HBD, we get “it’s the magic environment.” Sure, that’s why all the immigrant/non-White murderers were all-American, because they learned to speak English and wore jeans. Wow, that totally changed their character, man. I mean, like, you know, it’s nurture that matters, not nature. Genetics are totally over-rated, man.

  94. astrolabe says:
    @John Johnson

    The Brits were doomed after WW1/WW2 dysgenics. Their idiotic class system sent their finest men into machine gun fire. The men that bred were all the stay puffs that lied or scammed to avoid conscription.

    We lost 1.6% of our population in WW1 (700K/43M) and a further 0.8% in WW2 (384K/48M), and we had conscription, so the deaths weren’t super selective. I believe it was more dangerous for officers in WW1, but anyway, it’s not a massive affect.

    What I suspect is more significant eugenically speaking (apart from immigration) is our early introduction of the welfare state and lack of affordable (unsubsidised) housing.

  95. Malla says:
    @Jatt Aryaa

    The UK is about 85% or more White British.

    The UK was 99.5% White British at the end of WW2. As it always should have been.

  96. Malla says:
    @John Pepple

    I realized that the vast majority of leftists here in the West saw Muslims as their friend. Incredible.

    They Hate hate hate Traditional Western Culture. Anybody who does the job of destroying that culture is their friend. May it be Muslims, may it be Hindu gurus, may it be Blacks, it does not matter. Anything that destroys traditional Western Culture and the White racial genetic stock is their friend.
    Ironically the Western culture they wanted destroyed was comparatively far more liberal than Islamic culture and many of the immigrants who came, came from conservative societies would have gotten along comparatively better with Traditional Western culture and the promiscuous, feminist, globo homo the left wanted. It is strange, traditional Western culture was very good, it is strange why they would want to destroy it.

    In 1979, Muslims took over Iran and then proceeded to destroy the Iranian left.

    Western civilization has some suicidal tendencies within it and westernised Middle classes and Upper classes of the third World too inherit those suicidal tendencies. They also feel guilty of being Westernised ( westernised partly out of taste and partly to separate themselves from the thuggard slimeball masses) and many a times to assuage that guilt as well as suicidal revolutionary tendencies they inherit from the West, they themselves turn anti-West. So they end up supporting either Communist or hardcore rightwinged movements (Islamic fundamentalism, Hindu fundamentalism etc…) and end up getting sacrificed by the movements they themselves idiotically supported. That is why you had educated Westernised Iranian women support Ayatollah Khomeini. The West and Westernisation has some suicidal tendencies in them. Partly out of Christianity (excessive guilt, self torture, self criticism) and partly the work of Jewish ideologies throughout the West.

  97. Malla says:
    @Franz

    The squeeze is on for millions of new people in the work sector, but also on the millions of downsized oldsters who must work till they die.

    More leftist (Cultural Marxist) the USA became, more the difference in between rich and poor widen!!! And unlike the poor Whites of the past, today’s White people do not have the wisdoms and sense of community of the kind conservative societies of the past have. Unlike the Whites of the past, who too went through poverty, most of today’s White people do not have any sense of culture & history, are atomised, fat and unhealthy, childish. Their grandfathers and grand mothers were more matured, tough, had better family structures, religion, sense of culture and better communal ties with similar people to help each other out.

    When White Nationalists were warning for decades about where the West was going, most average Whites considered them crackpots and “losers” and let it slide. Only now, more and more realise that the White Nationalists were right after all. Would have been much better if most of them had woken up decades ago.

    Hope for the middle class recedes also.

    The Middle class had to be destroyed. How else would the elites attempt their coming Communist Revolution in the West?

  98. Franz says:

    More leftist (Cultural Marxist) the USA became, more the difference in between rich and poor widen!!!

    The agencies had a lot to do with it.

    Too many Americans after WWII thought the Democratic Party was like the Labour Party in Britain, and would permanently be looking out for their interests.

    They were never going to do that. Democrats now suck up to plutocrats worse than Republicans did… and neither cares much about the core population.

  99. Miro23 says:
    @Franz

    There’s lots of good folk in the US. Lots of good land. Let the good folks take their share and peacefully become real, sane sized nations.

    Maybe they already have their share.

    For example, Texas (696 million km2 ), is bigger that France and almost twice the size of Germany. In population (29 million people) its 5x bigger than Ireland and 10 million more people that Holland – so what are they waiting for?

    Texas already has a functioning state government so just organize their own schooling, healthcare, banking, media etc. and keep Texas tax revenue in Texas. No votes then for ME wars, conflict with Russia and China and say goodbye to the FED.

  100. Al Ross says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Multiple Numerical Mass Immigration v Singular Personal Choice ?

    The heart wants what the heart wants and as Tony Soprano added , “the dick wants what the dick wants”.

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