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[Excerpted from the latest Radio Derb, now available exclusively through]

See, earlier: NO, William The Conqueror Did NOT Have A Black Advisor. SJWs Are Just Rewriting English History (Sound Familiar?)

A British TV channel is producing a costume drama about Anne Boleyn, who was the second wife of King Henry VIII of England back in the 16th century. Henry’s first wife, Catherine, had not been able to give him a male heir, so he had his marriage to her annulled in 1533 and married Anne. The issue of the annulment was what drove Henry to break with the Pope.

When Anne likewise failed to produce a male heir after three years of marriage, Henry had her charged with adultery and executed. The charges were most likely bogus, but that was the end of Anne; although, in a nice instance of generational revenge, her daughter later became Queen Elizabeth the First, a much better monarch than Henry.

Well, this TV channel is producing a drama about Anne, to be aired at some future date not specified. The actress playing Anne will be Jodie Turner-Smith, a full-blood negress. [Jodie Turner-Smith plays Anne Boleyn in new Channel 5 drama that seeks to ‘challenge conventions’ by casting black actress as Henry VIII’s executed wife and ‘shine a feminist light’ on her story Daily Mail, December 18, 2020] And no, they’re not making her put on white-face makeup.

This is of course historically preposterous. Anne Boleyn was a white English lady—we have contemporary portraits of her.

The producers of historical dramas—including this one, I’m guessing—go to great pains and expense to make everything look authentic: costumes, furnishings, weapons, transportation….We want the illusion of reality. No producer would have the Duke of Norfolk drive up to Henry VIII’s hunting lodge in a Lamborghini and carrying an AR-15.

The classic Henry VIII TV biopic was an earlier British production: The Six Wives of Henry VIII, aired in 1971. Keith Mitchell played the part of Henry, and he played him with red hair. Why? Because Henry VIII had red hair, duh. That was fifty years ago, though, when we still had some common sense.

So what’s the point of this gross, glaring anachronism—a negress playing Anne Boleyn? Let the producers tell us, quote from the news story:

“Producers Fable Pictures say the drama challenges all the conventions of who we think Anne Boleyn was and shines a feminist light on her story.”

They’re challenging conventions, see? Down with conventions!

What they are actually challenging, of course, is historical truth.

So: Down with historical truth!


“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” If you’re in any doubt about who controls the present, try starting an online protest movement against this casting decision. Then watch your PayPal account close down, and your Twitter account, your Facebook account, your bank account, your credit-card accounts, …

“Hold on there, Derb,” I hear you cry. “Didn’t you cover a similar story back in November, about a black actress playing Agent 007 in the new James Bond movie? And didn’t you say you were fine with it?”

Yes and yes. However,

  • that’s fiction, where you can make stuff up. In historical dramas you should cleave to the historical truth as closely as you can.
  • there is nothing implausible about a present-day intelligence agency having a black female operative; and if, as seems to be the case, James Bond is retired in this movie, or dead, or otherwise indisposed, there’s nothing implausible about giving the lady his agent number. So yes, I’m fine with it.

What I am not fine with is halfwit producers committing gross historical falsehoods in order to signal that they are faithful congregants of the Most Holy and Blessed Church of Negritude.

I am not fine with lies and hypocrisy.

Of course, the charge of hypocrisy there is presumptive. I’m presuming that these producers, in their private lives—in their residential and educational decisions—stay as far away from big concentrations of black people as everyone else does that can afford to.

If it can be proven to me that this is not the case, I shall make a modest donation to The United Negro College Fund.)

Previously on on blackwashing white characters, and other casting atrocities:

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Realist says:

    Yes, Western Civilization is screwed…that has been obvious for some time.

  2. I want to commission a telly series about the Cromwellian invasion of Ireland.
    The Prods will be cast as white as can be, with the standard Hollywood villain R.P. accents. The Irish must be exclusively Bantu actors speaking Gaeilge, with the Anglo-Normans in both islands played by actors of Jewish ancestry with Australian accents.
    Conventions .. bravely defied, I think. Who could possibly object to this enlightening new perspective?

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  3. GeeBee says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    You don’t go nearly far enough! Surely the actors in any ‘costume drama’ about Tudor England should all be seen riding not horses, but camels. Surely horses are elitist or anti-Arab or something? As for when they are at table, Jackfruit, paw-paws, bananas and termites should be the fare.

  4. unit472 says:

    There are plenty of interesting roles for negro actresses to play. How about Nafissatou Diallo, the negro hotel maid who ruined IMF Director Dominique Strauss Kahn with her false claim of being raped. Lots of interesting angles in this story. How she falsely gained entry into the US as a ‘refugee’. Extorting money from DSK and using it to open a restaurant in, of all places, New York City!

    Another negro female historical figure whose story cries out to be filmed is Crystal Mangum, a North Carolina stripper who accused the Duke University lacrosse team of a gang rape. That case fell apart when police could find no evidence to support her allegation. Mangum was later charged with attempted murder of live in boyfriend Milton Walker but was convicted of lesser charges. In 2013 she moved up from attempted murder to actual murder when she stabbed her new boyfriend Reginald Daye to death. Mangum is now serving an 18 year prison sentence

    Crystal’s story is custom made for an actress like Jodie Turner Smith. Maybe Quentin Tarantino could direct this shocking biographical film.

    • Replies: @CCP Dragon
  5. Truth says:

    Fortunately, the truth is actually stranger, and more interesting, than mediocre, incendiary, internet “journalism.”

    For instance; here is the oldest surviving rendition of England’s King James I:

    Here’s the version that came later:

    • Troll: freedom-cat
  6. Alfa158 says:

    It’s unfortunate, but let’s face it, that is how the universe operates. Nothing lasts forever; civilizations, cultures, and nations rise, then become senescent and fall. Species thrive, then fade away into extinction. Western (White) culture stands astride history, but eventually falls to a combination of comfortable complacency and the parasites that success attracts. “Hey hey, ho ho, Western Civ has got to go.” It’s an old story, often repeated. Perhaps the Chinese will have their run at the top, until something brings them down as well, since at present they don’t seem to be run by an elite that despises its own people.

    Many of the remaining proponents of Western Civilization are hoping for Accelerationism, the idea that it is better for the whole thing to collapse sooner so there will be larger pockets of resistance that become the seedbeds of a resurgence. I’m even less optimistic about the future than Derb, so I don’t pretend to know how that is supposed to work or what it will look like.

    • Thanks: Realist
    • Replies: @CCP Dragon
  7. I wonder what Christopher Bollyn thinks about finding out his ancestor was really a Negress?

    • Replies: @SMK
  8. Talha says:

    Maybe it’s time to introduce “white face” like they used to use black face for white actors in the past so they could look more convincing? 🤔


    • LOL: Hillbob
    • Replies: @songbird
  9. Here’s my problem. Anne Boleyn was a tip-top aristocrat, playing for high stakes in the Tudor court.

    Obviously the big prize for the Boleyns and the Howards (her mother’s family) was to play the patriarchy game and get the family into the royal Tudor line.

    So what these clueless Brit producers are doing is blackwashing the horrible white-patriarchal-supremacist dominatory ideology of Tudor England! Eeeuw!

    I’m afraid that the entire performance-arts community has completely “lost the plot,” as the Brits say. They “literally know nothing.”

    • Replies: @Forbes
  10. Protestantism is the negro-fied bastard of Christianity so the casting is spot-on. Henry should be played by a Turk next time — perhaps a Uighur.

    • Replies: @heymrguda
  11. lloyd says: • Website

    James 1’s grandson Charles 11 was idenfied as “a tall black man” in wanted posters in the Cromwell era. Racial profiling for fugitives was then and now completely sincere. They just want their man or woman. Stuart has its root as “swarthy”. The Stuarts claimed descent from the swarthy King David lineage. I think Bitish television have run out of ideas as regards historical dramas. They are doing this for shock value and are going to not get audiences, at least white ones.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    , @SFG
  12. Ahem says:

    I recently tried to watch a UK produced historical drama “Mary, Queen of Scots”. I came in a bit late in the episode but everything looked and sounded okay, every actor and actress in good quality Elizabethan style period costume.

    Suddenly some actor dressed in the proper costume for a high official of the period entered from stage right and began spouting off about something or other. The problem was he looked like a pure Nigerian. That’s the first time I’ve ever screamed at the TV while hitting the switch on my remote.

    When I thought about it later I had to hand it to the producers of that drama. Every writer and scriptwriter wants to evoke a Powerful Emotional Response in the reader or viewer. With me, in this case, they succeeded in spades.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Ace
  13. Real question is: How can you present clearly “racially” defined narrative with actors belonging to other races?

    What about a biopic of Mao Ze Dong with Leo di Caprio or Matt Damon in the role of Mao?

    What about epic fantasy film based on “Mahabharata” with east Asian or black actors (instead of brown Indians) in the Pandava brothers’ roles?

    What about Chekhov’s “Cherry Orchard” & “black” Trofimov?

    Could black actress play Natasha in “War and Peace” or Japanese actor play the role of Abraham Lincoln….

    Total absurdities…

    The point is – black historical culture does not have much interesting stuff, both real & imagined. And lunatic liberals are, in front of our eyes, committing mental suicide. Even Stalin would not distort reality so much.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Ray P
  14. @Truth

    Bwaaaaahahahahaha those are fake as all hell. More black supremacist lying BS. Jesus H Christ. blacks and their handlers are INSANE! Like when they go around claiming Beethoven was black.

    • Replies: @Truth
  15. MEH 0910 says:

  16. songbird says:

    Blackface actually makes a lot of sense for Othello. It was probably how the role was played for hundreds of years.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Jim Don Bob
  17. Talha says:

    Likely. The point is, if you have an actor that can play a role well, they are pretending to be someone else anyways, so who cares if they use false teeth or hair or skin color to fit the part better? Whether they are black or white? At least that’s how I see it.


    • Replies: @BuelahMan
    , @Nicholas Stix
  18. @MEH 0910

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I confess that ballet [or “the dahnce” as its aficianados like to say] has always been a mystery to me. So I eagerly snapped up a review copy of Apollo’s Angels: A History of Ballet, for $1.99 at the Strand, in hopes of spending more of my unemployed time improving myself. It certainly looks the ticket: it “takes the measure of the last four centuries, showing us exactly when and why the unlikely art of ballet came into being, and how, growing more unlikely with every century, it evolved and survived. ”

    Imagine my surprise to learn that my antipathy had a source, all unconscious and therefore, when revealed, all the more accurate. Turns out, ballet, despite its hoity toity image, has it origins in the dirty rabble of the soi disant “Enlightenment” and even the French Revolution, and kept company with every vile Modernist trend since, with all the alacrity of 14th St. crack whore hanging onto a slumming pop star:

    “Ballet was shaped by the Renaissance and French Classicism, by revolutions and Romanticism, by Expressionism and Bolshevism, modernism and the Cold War.”

    Her very first chapter establishes the ideological root of ballet in the rise of the Nationalism that destroyed the Holy Roman Empire and destroyed Christendom:

    “When the French king Henri II wedded the Florentine Catherine de Medici in 1533, French and Italian culture came into close and formal alliance, and it is here that the history of ballet begins.”

    Needless to say, this ideology was the demonic desire to replace the true spirituality of Tradition with an empty, mathematical formalism which ultimately produced the monstrous “quantitative civilization” Guenon has diagnosed; as the WSJ review says:

    “Speaking of the Académie de Poésie et de Musique, which was established in 1570 by Charles IX and whose purpose was to bring an inclusive, pacific spirituality to theater and art, she writes, “these poets believed that hidden beneath the shattered and chaotic surface of political life lay a divine harmony and order—a web of rational and mathematical relations that demonstrated the natural laws of the universe and the mystical power of God.” Here were the theoretical foundations of ballet, which needed only to be codified into a technique—”the length, duration, measure, and geometry of a step”—and would then “elevate man . . . and bring him closer to the angels and God.” Court etiquette, state strategy, the vanity of kings, the evolution of stagecraft, the shift toward illusion [i.e., the plebian preference for “looks like real life” which is the death of true, traditional art], … the move from court to theater and from performers who were courtiers to trained dancers [i.e, from real life to artifice, from craftsman to pretentious “professional”] —Ms. Homans takes the reins of all these developments and drives them to a breathtaking culmination: classical dance.”

    And consider this chilling passage, reported all po-faced by our enthusiastic reviewer:

    “Why, for example, the corps de ballet is invariably dressed in white. During the French Revolution, Ms. Homans explains, women who wore “simple white tunics became powerful symbols of a nation cleansed of corruption and greed. . . . The corps de ballet … in white thus took its cue from the Revolution: they represented the claims of the community (and the nation) over those of the individual.”


    No wonder the Chi-Coms loved ballet. And sounds like the perfect medium for someone to tell the thrilling story of how Obama passed health care reform over strong opposition from the Senate.

    Could ballet be the first instance of a curious trend that has since overwhelmed our “cultural” establishment: an elite medium, used for the propagation of Bolshevik values? [“Real stories of working people, as told by rich, Hollywood stars” — Firesign Theater]

    Away with this parlour pink pseudo art! Forward, true Aryan “pagan” dance!

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Ace
    , @anon
    , @MEH 0910
  19. Currahee says:

    John, John, John,
    Anne Boleyn was black, Anne Boleyn is black, Anne Boleyn will always be black.

  20. @MEH 0910

    Most often I don’t get exercised over silly casting controversies. When directors want to apply their woke-ness to adaptations of fiction I suppose that’s their privilege. It’s also the privilege of others to not cast their film to satisfy the demands of permanently offended minorities. But I do find it ridiculous when history is altered in a drama to placate some permanently aggrieved minority.

    I read Ms. MacDonald’s article yesterday. I passed it to my youngest sister who has been a ballet aficionado for many years. In fact, she took me to my first ballet many years ago. We saw Alexander Godunov dance in Giselle with Natalia Makarova at the Civic Opera House in Chicago on his first national tour after he defected to the U.S. I greatly enjoyed it and have enjoyed ballet on occasion since.

    Still I think POC complaining about the lack of roles in ballet is as silly as some White person complaining they can’t get hired to be on Soul Train.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  21. Skeptikal says:

    Why don’t those who want to cast black actors write their own material, instead of pilfering material supplied by whites—whether it be white playwrights such as Shakespeare, novelists such as Jane Austen, or white historical figures such as Anne Boleyn.

    There are just as many black stories and figures as white.

    So why don’t the black writers write their own material for their own actors?

    And, if black actors can play white historical characters then white actors should definitely be able to play black ones. In fact, maybe they should all just switch—especially in Civil War dramas—just to prove that acting ability is more than skin-deep.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  22. @Realist

    Could be the culmination of Western Civilization.

    The fate of all prior civilizations on earth has been what?

  23. BREAKING NEWS: Whilst the debate rages on about Beethoven’s proud status in the negro pantheon of African achievement it has however been firmly established that she did die of Covid.

    • LOL: Curmudgeon
  24. Skeptikal says:
    @James O'Meara

    ” an elite medium, ”

    A lot of BS here.

    The life of a ballet dancer is one of unremitting hard work. Hard physical work.

    It requires a level of discipline and sheer physical labor far beyond anything contemplated by the kinds of lazybones posting comments here.

    That is, for those few who have the inborn talent and then apply themselves unremittingly for decades. Hours of grueling practice *every day.*

    So stop dumping on ballet. Like anything worthwhile it takes a hell of a lot of work to achieve anything worthwhile in the arts. Maybe *that* is why some carp about ballet’s supposed “eliteness.”

    Maybe that is why some couch potatoes have a chip on their shoulder about ballet.

  25. SMK says: • Website

    The purpose of casting a pure negress as Anne Boleyn is to depict her as a victim of “racism” who was falsely accused of adultery and executed not only because she didn’t give Henry a son but because she was black. I wonder how many people who watch this movie will actually believe that Anne was black when I doubt if there was a single black in all of England in the 16th Century.

    Secondly, If you’re “fine” with a black actress as agent 007 in the newest Bond movie, then you must be “fine” with an invasion and presence of millions of blacks and their offspring that, combined with an invasion of Muslims, overwhelmingly Pakistanis, that has turned London into a nonwhite-majority city ruled by an anti-white and anti-English Pakistani mayor, and also “fine” with racial quotas, set-asides, double-standards, preferential treatment for blacks. Do you actually believe that this black actress was chosen and cast as agent 007 on pure merit, that she’s the most qualified person, male or female, for the role.?

    • Replies: @Jimmy le Blanc
    , @Truth
    , @Truth
  26. They missed Kim Kardashian and Kanye should have been KING !! What is wrong with history—it was all made up

  27. heymrguda says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Man, you taigs would be lost if you couldn’t blame us Protestants for everything.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon, Angharad
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  28. Ace says:

    I can’t remember the name of the series about the English aristocrat and his country estate but it went south when they introduced an elegant black gent. Introducing a lesbian commander of the Coldstream Guards would have made much more sense but that’s just me.

  29. Ace says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I think Chuck Norris would make an awesome Shaka Zulu. Or Michael Keaton could portray Louis Farrakhan in a film about the Zebra killings.

    • LOL: Amerimutt Golems
  30. Ace says:
    @James O'Meara

    I dunno. It’s just intriguing to watch the graceful, coordinated movement and appreciate how much goes into it, as Skeptikal points out.

    That history seems to have a real agenda that does all but drag in unified field theory to discredit ballet. It reminds me of Dave Chappelle’s line that he didn’t know that he liked fried chicken because he was black. He always thought that he liked it because it’s delicious.

  31. Wielgus says:

    I have been unable to fınd a link to it but Monty Python anticipated this kind of problem when “Visconti” aka Slit-Eyes Yakamoto (the late Terry Jones) directed Erizabeth L. Everybody was on bicycles as they awaited news of the Blitish Freet’s plogless against the Spanish Almada.
    However, Yakamoto narrowly escaped arrest. They will probably give an award to this current cultural hideousness. Satire sometimes turns into reality and makes satire superfluous…

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  32. Trans-history.

    Have a black man play Hitler.

    Too bad the Jefferson guy is dead. He would have made a great Hitler.

  33. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    Turn off the one-eyed (((monster))) permanently and you will be much better for it. Television is now a wasteland of politically correct junk that just zaps your brain. No intelligent white person should own one. If they want to show the proles a black Anne Boleyn who cares, because most of them don’t even know who Anne Boleyn was.

  34. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @James O'Meara

    I always thought that Ballet was invented to keep the Leotard industry alive and give jobs to gay men. I had no idea that its origins were as you have explained here. We learn something new every day.

  35. @lloyd

    Stuart has its root as “swarthy”.

    No, it definitely does not. Find the person who told you that and give them a slap with your gauntlet.
    Yours sincerely, Alan fitzFlaad.

  36. @Skeptikal

    I worked in a pub where the owner’s son used to pitch in to help when he was “resting” from his ballet career.
    The various ales were roped down into the cramped cellar in oaken casks ( it was a very long time ago), and it was up to us to manipulate them into position to settle, stillage etc.
    Those bastards were 36 of Her Majesty’s Finest Gallons apiece, so getting on for 380-400lbs, what with the wood and the hoops.
    The ballet dancer (in his ’20s, and as gay as get out) could fling them around on his own despite their awkwardness for grips, we had to do it mob-handed. Surprised none of us ever lost a finger or broke a leg, it was horrid slippy down there.
    No sozzled punter was ever going to pick a fight with him at chucking-out time, even though he was a nice quiet guy. One firm squeeze of the shoulder usually got the message over.

  37. BuelahMan says:

    Your major assumption here is that this black woman can act the part.

    • Replies: @Talha
  38. @Skeptikal

    Why not reset the story of the Tudors in Central Africa? Hampton Court would be the biggest mud hut the villagers had ever seen.

    As to white actors playing black characters from history, why not? Patton Oswalt would jump at the chance to play Barack Obama. Tap John Lithgow to play Michelle.

  39. AceDeuce says:

    In Finland, the big national hero is Baron/Field Marshal Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim. The only person to have been decorated by both sides in both World War I and World War II, Mannerheim is regarded by Finns as a combination Moses, George Washington, Churchill, Reagan, James Bond, and John Wayne.

    He lived an amazing life, and kept Finland together during civil conflicts and, in WW2, assaults by the Nazis, the Russians, and even the Allies.

    Anyway, a few years back a cuckwhite Finn made a movie based on Mannerheim’s life and career called The Marshal Of Finland. He cast a kneegrow Kenyan named Telley (sic) Savalas Otieno to play Mannerheim.

    There has also been a recent animated film implying that Mannerheim, who, in real life was a notorious womanizer who was also married for several years and fathered two daughters, might have been gay.

  40. AceDeuce says:
    @Enemy of Earth

    I always wonder: if pouting kneeggrows can endlessly yammer about how they want “people who look like them” in places like the ballet, why shouldn’t white people with teen children come out against mudsharking, saying that they want grandchildren who “look like them”?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    , @Truth
  41. They are just trying to make plebs accept the unnatural presence of millions of imported blacks and their mixed race descendants.

    As highlighted by Edmund Connelly in November this is also about displacement.

    It’s an old agenda. In 2000 the Parekh Report commissioned by the Runnymede Trust which was co-founded by Jewish lawyer Anthony Lester recommended declaring Britain a ‘multi-racial’ nation.

    Blair refused because this was too radical back then unlike today.

    On the bright side normies are getting red-pilled fast. However, inaction is costly given the demographic clock is ticking.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  42. @Realist

    We have survived worse including the Black Death which killed one in three.

    There will be a reset. It won’t be pretty though.

  43. @heymrguda

    Unfortunately, I’m an American (expat) descended from Hungarians and Slovenes so I had to google that. Not really the target demo of that insult, methinks.

  44. @Ray P

    Sure, but:

    1. these were the 50’s with other absurdities

    2. Mongols are not so visually extremely different from whites, so that a lot of makeup can make things, eh, not completely absurd. Sidney Poitier in the role of Genghis Khan would, on the other hand, be a different issue. Too visually distant.

    3. the movie was a flop, and it remains, perhaps, as one of those “movies so bad they are actually good”.

  45. Talha says:

    I have no clue whether she is qualified or not. She may well be pushed out there for no reason other than to piss off native Brits. She could also be in the league of a tremendous actress like Viola Davis.

    No idea either way, I watch very little in the way of TV and the last good movie I watched was the Japanese early horror anthology, Kwaidan.

    I was simply laying out a principle.


  46. @Ray P

    The producers of that fiasco will live in infamy for the asstastic decision to stage the production DOWNWIND OF A NUCLEAR BOMB TEST AREA causing rampant radiation poisoning cancers of many that worked on the movie, including John Wayne.

  47. @SMK

    Remember, the Derb married a chink.

  48. @songbird

    Blackface actually makes a lot of sense for Othello. It was probably how the role was played for hundreds of years.

    Well they don’t do it any more at the Met Opera.

    2) I was about to rent Fatman, Mel Gibson’s latest movie, where he plays Santa Claus. I changed my mind when I saw that this babe played Mrs. Claus. I didn’t think Mel went in for this crap.

    • Thanks: songbird
  49. Lot says:

    Derb, have you not seen the better 2000’s The Tudors? Excellent casting and writing both.

    Main cast from the early seasons:

    A collection of different Anne Boleyns.

    The 1933 one looks closest to the painting, and Natalie Portman looks closest of the recent ones.

  50. MEH 0910 says:
    @James O'Meara

    Actually, ballet doesn’t do anything for me. Neither does poetry for that matter. Still have to push back against the SJWs.

  51. @Talha

    Credibility. Not only was Anne Boleyn White, there were no blacks in Tudor England. Now, if you could make this affirmative action hire LOOK like Ann Boleyn, and she were sufficiently talented, then we could talk.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Talha
  52. Wielgus says:

    The Tudors was historically inaccurate in its own way. Henry is a fit young man at a time when the historical one was aging and obese. The cast were not bad as actors but tended to look like the casting director had visited fitness clubs as opposed to reconstructing 1500s life in England, which was no health farm.

  53. @Realist

    Anne Boleyn was a feminist?

    No wonder she got her head cut off. Onc can hardly blame.

  54. Wielgus says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    There were probably a few around as servants, slaves, etc. Othello may have seemed an exotic subject but Elizabethan audiences knew blacks existed and may even have seen a few knocking about in London.
    In Bosch’s Garden Of Earthly Delights some of the naked human figures are black – perhaps they were considered emblematic of lust but it is likely Bosch had seen a few in his lifetime.

  55. All woke citizens must protest against this shockingly half-hearted decision.

    Since both gender and race are social constructs, the producers of this drama exposed their revoltingly patriarchal and colonized thinking by not casting Ms Turner-Smith as Henry VIII.

  56. Franz says:

    The life of a ballet dancer is one of unremitting hard work. Hard physical work.

    You bet.

    The US armed services, back in the 1920s-40s, sent disabled vets for ballet training instead of conventional rehab. The results were amazing. The exercises and discipline puts the right muscles back in place and gets your body running right in no time.

    Watch Nureyev sometime on a ‘tube somewhere. The guy is nothing but muscle. He claimed it as his pure Tarter blood, but my guess is the ballet training didn’t hurt. Even if Rudy bought it in the end, he had a long run before that.

    If you see a betting fight going on between a “martial artist” and a ballet dancer, put your bet on the dancer. Some karate kings are flab on feet. Ballet will win.

    Always keep in mind the Spartans taught their boys to dance first. Fight training only came after you learned how to move.

    • Thanks: Angharad
  57. Franz says:

    Excellent collection of Anne B’s.

    The Canuck gal Genevieve Bujold caught Anne’s spirit splendidly even if Richard Burton wrote in his journals she was no fun to work with. Anne of the Thousand Days was based on a wretched play though, and gets bathetic by the last act. They should never let American writers fiddle with English history.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    , @Wielgus
  58. @AceDeuce

    Because of blacks’ naturally steatopygous physiques the risk of black ballet dancers falling back onto their rear ends would be much greater, I imagine, and how in the world are you going to keep those large backsides from becoming the focus of attention from beneath those tiny tutus?

  59. @Lot

    The Tudors was produced to gull mid-wit viewers into imagining they were on their way to becoming intellectuals.

    The Tudors was almost as clownish as Game of Thrones.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Vojkan
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Mr. Anon
  60. Truth says:

    I always wonder: if pouting kneeggrows can endlessly yammer about how they want “people who look like them” in places like the ballet, why shouldn’t white people with teen children come out against mudsharking, saying that they want grandchildren who “look like them”?

    Now that’s genius level comparison.

    Let me just introduce you here Introductory Logic 101:

    I always wonder: if pouting kneeggrows can endlessly yammer about how they want “people who look like them” in places like the ballet, why shouldn’t white people with teen children endlessly yammer about how they want people who look like them twerking on tik-tok.

    I mean, the logic thing his hard but spend 8-10 years trying and you might actually be able to see the comparison between Coke and Pepsi.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  61. Truth says:

    I wonder how many people who watch this movie will actually believe that Anne was black when I doubt if there was a single black in all of England in the 16th Century.

    Oh, so I’m guessing Shakespeare just pulled Othello out of his ass?

  62. Truth says:

    Secondly, If you’re “fine” with a black actress as agent 007 in the newest Bond movie, then you must be “fine” with an invasion and presence of millions of blacks and their offspring that, combined with an invasion of Muslims, overwhelmingly Pakistanis, that has turned London into a nonwhite-majority city ruled by an anti-white and anti-English Pakistani mayor, and also “fine” with racial quotas, set-asides, double-standards, preferential treatment for blacks.

    More brilliant logic here; Socrates welcome to the thread…

  63. Forbes says:
    @Christopher Chantrill

    I’m afraid that the entire performance-arts community has completely “lost the plot,” as the Brits say. They “literally know nothing.”


    The Netflix series The Crown is filled with blatant falsehoods perverting history–this casting is just more of the same. Millennials just want to be entertained–accurate portrayal of history be damned. Their mantra is: Everything before yesterday is wrong. They’re just “fixing” history to their liking.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  64. @Franz

    Americans should not do historical fiction, (except their own). The British should not do SciFi.

    • Agree: Franz
  65. MEH 0910 says:

    National Lampoon October 1981 “Movies” issue [PDF]:

    “Double Date Comics – Trouble in Dublin” – Richard Burton and Richard Harris discuss playing Othello at the end of the comic.

  66. AceDeuce says:

    “Oh, so I’m guessing Shakespeare just pulled Othello out of his ass?”

    Welp, he certainly WAS the right color for it….

    • LOL: Angharad
    • Replies: @Malla
  67. AceDeuce says:

    Pretty stupid rebuttal.

    If there is a difference in my analogy, it’s this: The ballet is fleeting. Most people aren’t avid fans of it, and only see it now and again, whereas having a diarrhea-colored alien abomination dully glowering at you at “family” gatherings until they are old enough to rob or kill you is a mighty long haul.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Cowtown Rebel
  68. dfordoom says: • Website

    Millennials just want to be entertained–accurate portrayal of history be damned. Their mantra is: Everything before yesterday is wrong.

    Everything before yesterday is upsetting. History makes them cry.

    • LOL: Cowtown Rebel
  69. @Wielgus

    Very wonky rendition of it here, with intrusive ads and lots of muting. Maybe you’ll find that sketch at 03:50

    • Thanks: Wielgus
  70. Truth says:

    Congratulations, you wrote something stupid, and then had the talent to actually double down on it. Not an easy accomplishment.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  71. Wielgus says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I thought it was aimed at teenagers who assumed Henry was just another teenager getting his end away.

  72. Wielgus says:

    Burton was not much fun to be around either – his alcoholism made things difficult although it was sometimes maintained that he could be even worse when he was on the wagon.

    • Replies: @Franz
  73. @Truth

    ‘Othello’ is sub-titled the Moor of Venice.
    Which is well beyond Calais, where that sort of person begins.
    The Italian story Bill S. ripped it off from makes it plain that even in the multi-culti Mediterranean Venetian ‘Empire’, a North African elite mercenary was regarded as something of an exception, and a liability.

    • Replies: @Truth
  74. KenR says:

    Who’s going to watch that? I will not. Forget about that. So sick of the identity politics milieu infecting everything. Do blacks care about Anne Boleyn or anybody else in the drama? Will they ever? Very doubtful.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  75. Truth says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Great, and from whom did he “rip off” Aaron from Titus Andronicus?

  76. He needed a character so immoral, degraded, psychopathic and “alien” that his audiences would not hesitate to disbelieve his actions, whereas no white Christian would be capable of those barbarities in their particular moral universe.

    A “Moor” (usually Maghrebis) was the ideal vehicle for these evils. Infidels, slavers, pirates, sadists to a man.
    In Shakespeare’s day the Barbary slave-raiding was near its worst, and they had little compunction in torturing their more uncooperative victims to death in expertly horrifying ways. This was widely publicised (complete with engraved snuff-prOn for the illiterate) by those religious orders who sought to buy back those they could from the muslim savages.
    Purely in order to loosen Christian purse strings, of course. The Holy Inquisition had its own “morality”, and was just as proficient in the dark arts of human suffering. Although they did not seem to see it as excellent entertainment in the way the Moors and the Turks evidently did, more a solemn duty.

    And once again, the entirely fictional action takes place in (pagan) Italy, not England. As for a (presumably pre-islamic) “Moor” being in the service of a (pagan) “Gothic” queen being named Aaron, several infamous Jews in medieval English tradition went by that name, so it would have (((resonated))) with the show-goers.,_Son_of_the_Devil

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Wielgus
  77. Truth says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    whereas no white Christian would be capable of those barbarities in their particular moral universe.

    OK, that was as far as I read having studied English History.

    Thank you very much.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  78. Talha says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    LOOK like Ann Boleyn, and she were sufficiently talented

    Yes, that is what I was getting at. Again, I have no clue if the woman is talented or not, nor do I have any inclination to find out. This particular era of English history, while important, doesn’t really interest me.


    • Replies: @Talha
  79. Franz says:

    If I recall right, that was Burton’s complaint. Evidently little Gen could outdrink him.

    They both looked right anyway. Sad the movie wasn’t up to them.

  80. Talha says:

    I must say, even though this part of English history is not all that interesting to me, one of my favorite classic films is “A Man For All Seasons”.

    “But, for Wales…?”

  81. AceDeuce says:

    Annnnnd…. for a second consecutive time, you can’t muster a coherent, let alone effective, rebuttal. Sad!

  82. Wielgus says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    There is a suggestion that Othello himself is not circumcised and therefore not Muslim. When he gives himself a fatal stab, he talks about killing a Turkish opponent, referring to him as a “circumcised dog”.

  83. @AceDeuce

    You see this so often with these Boomers with the little Pickaninny Grandsprogs. They almost always seem to make a production of their relationship to them, grandstanding the fact that, “Yes, we have biracial grandchildren!,” feigning pride, and nearly daring someone to say something about it.

    The truth is usually more palpable in the face of the grandfather, “Yes, I have an incorrigible whore of a daughter who has inflicted this abominable financial and psychological burden on us.” But, their wives firmly hold the reins and they don’t even begin to think of defying them. Yet, I do wonder how many contemplate buying, or who actually have bought, a ticket to anywhere else. Or, simply filled the tank with gas and drove off to parts unknown, to escape from the daily humiliation?

    And, as you’ve pointed out, the disconnect begins to surface as the Niglins age. This happens when the Tweens and Teens begin to fully embrace their Negrocity, and develop a latent hostility toward their White lineage. This is, in someways, inevitable. After all, they are just bleached Negroes. But, the tendency to gravitate toward the black connections, that they are lacking by being raised by white people, appears to motivate them to become militant anti-White. The anger and confusion of being neither/nor seems to breed a particular kind of sociopath.

    I’m reminded of an earlier era, when White people had pride and sense of standards. When one of the trollops that Jack Johnson fraternized with killed herself, her mother was interviewed by the press. She stated that she mourned the loss of her daughter, but would rather see her dead than the plaything of a Nigger. I saw Tyrus, on the Greg Gutfield show, whining about how his mother abandoned him to go live with her parents, because his grandfather wouldn’t accept him. I read about a woman in my old neighborhood that wouldn’t let a white woman into her home who was trying to get away from the black boyfriend that was beating her up. She told her, “I hope he kills you!” There was a time when “Guess who’s coming to dinner?” was answered with “Guess who’s being written out of the will!”

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Truth
  84. Well, I hear that she beat out Elizabeth Moss for the role. Casting guidelines were for ugly, and it was a close contest.

  85. @KenR

    Nah, blacks don’t care about Anne Boleyn. Jodie was overhead asking, “Whuffo I wanna play no Anne Boleyn fo? Huh? Whuffo?”

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  86. @Truth

    Yeah well, that’s just, like, your opinion.
    Which has absolutely no bearing on what those unwashed and inebriated Londoners back then thought about themselves, and about godless and heretical foreign savages.

    In much the same way as Americans can contemplate their armies roasting thousands of germans, orientals and ragheads off the planet without a single teary eye. They must have been bad and deserved it, because they’re the baddies. Americans are Good, the white-hat cowboys.

    See how that works? Shakespeare wasn’t all that focused on convincing woke grievance-mongers hundreds of years in the future, just playing up to his paying customers’ prejudices. In their particular moral universe.

    Your opinion is almost as anachronistic as those of the makers of this obviously doomed Hindenburg of a show.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Truth
  87. Malla says:

    The same Queen Charlotte also looked this.

    by Joshua Reynolds, 1779

    by Sir Thomas Lawrence

    • Replies: @Truth
  88. Wielgus says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Shakespeare was trying to sell tickets or whatever the Elizabethan equivalent was, and was not into subtlety, at least not as much as later interpretations suggest. His characters tend to be well-rounded but Shylock for example is clearly meant to be both a villain and a figure of fun.
    It may be telling that Titus Andronicus was one of his most successful plays on the stage, complete with mutilation, rape and cannibalism.

  89. Wielgus says:
    @Twodees Partain

    She can speak standard English and sounds like the average youngish Londoner. (She was born in Peterborough, however.) I don’t see her as Anne Boleyn though but she isn’t from Trenchtown or Harlem either.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  90. Malla says:

    Debunk/Debate Request: Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz may have been black from badhistory

    A lot of the modern discussion on queen Charlotte’s race “seems to have been generated by Mario de Valdes y Cocom, a historian of African diaspora. His two main points that Charlotte may have been African or of African descent are based on some of her portraits, and an ancestral link. The portraits as evidence seems the more shaky of the two, since they are based on subjective opinion of whether or not you think they show African features, and are stacked up against many other portraits which don’t seem to hint at any heritage. The ancestral link is that one of Charlotte’s ancestors 15 generations (and 500 years before her) was a lady called Madragana, mistress of King Afonso III of Portugal, and she may possibly have been Moorish… or she may possibly have been a local Iberian Christian who grew up in a Moorish kingdom.

    I’d like to get a second opinion, but this seems very flimsy to me. The key ancestor in question is of unknown heritage, but even if we accept best case scenario for this hypothesis and assume Madragana was Moorish, at 15 generations back the degree of her genetic contribution to Charlotte is negligible. The new BBC article suggests that Madragana’s son married into a family which may have had African heritage, thus adding to the contribution in Charlotte’s genetic make up… but again, no sources are cited and I cannot actually find where this comes from.

    It’s worth noting that I’ve also seen other debates online try to address the distance in ancestry issue by suggesting that perhaps Madragana has nothing to do with it and Charlotte was in fact illegitimate, the product of an affair her mother may have had… but again, no evidence to back up this idea. Not to mention that notion can’t account for the appearance of Charlotte’s siblings and children, the lack of any whiff of scandal or absence of paternal rage or disownment, and as quoted in The Guardian article Desmond Shawe-Taylor noting that none of the hostile press lampooning and caricaturing Charlotte ever hinted at African descent – and they would have had a vested interest in poking holes in any sort of scandal.

    Other evidence brought forward include Baron Stockmar’s (physician to her grandaughter) writings that the elderly Queen Charlotte had “a true mulatto face”, and a poem composed on the occasion of Charlotte’s wedding to George III that references her being descended from Vandals, the tribe that conquered Numidia (in North Africa), which is sometimes used to imply she had African heritage not that she was descended from a nomadic Germanic tribe.

    Personally, I see the evidence presented as very shaky indeed, and the strongest part of it to be around the ancestry of her family tree and whether or not Madragana, or her daughter-in-law, was Moorish instead of Iberian, and even if that were provable as the case, the link would be extremely distant. I would very much like a second opinion, particularly as I don’t have access to Portuguese sources and am willing to change my position if it can be shown that there were other ancestral links that no one has discussed as of yet.

    EDIT: Found some extra information. The following two links are from an anthropologist and a historian respectively, going into Valdes’ arguments with some depth.

    Both cast serious doubt on the portraits, and Valdes’ notion that the portrait painter, Allan Ramsay, was pro-abolitionist, seems to have been pulled out of thin air, and both note that Valdes’ claims have often been repeated without careful examination of the facts involved. This seems to be the case with this latest BBC article. A very similar article from last year was also put out by the BBC, which in turn linked to a radio discussion between a BBC interviewer and DeNeen L. Brown, a writer for the Washington Post who, in the excitement surrounding the wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, wrote her own article repeating Valdes’ hypotheses about Charlotte. It’s in this audio and her own article that Brown mentions the son of Madragana marrying into the de Sousas who have their own black heritage – and obviously where the recent BBC article got that particular claim from. Where Valdes got it from, I’d very much like to see the original contemporary sources and see what they had to say about Madragana and the de Sousa family.

    Since 1940, there have been evolving claims about the supposed African ancestry and ethnicity of Charlotte.[61] Critics of these claims point out that dozens of portraits and descriptions depict her appearance as a typical Northern European woman,[62] that there is no evidence that her distant ancestor Margarita de Castro e Souza was “black” or from a “black” Portuguese noble family, that her even more distant ancestor Madragana was likely Mozarab and not Moorish,[63][64][65][66][67] and that Charlotte shared descent from Madragana with a large proportion of European royalty, including her husband, King George III.[68]

    These claims about Charlotte’s ancestry began[61] with the contention by Jamaican-American writer J. A. Rogers in his book Sex and Race: Volume I[69] that she must have a “Negro strain” because of her “broad nostrils and heavy lips”, as depicted in the 1761 portrait by Allan Ramsay, and a quote by Horace Walpole describing her “nostrils spreading too wide; mouth has the same fault”. This claim expanded over time into varied claims that she had “African” ancestry[70] or was “mixed-race”,[71][72] “biracial”,[73] or “black”.[74][75][68]

    In 1999, Mario de Valdes y Cocom expanded previous claims in a website developed for PBS Frontline.[70] Valdes claimed that Charlotte had an “unmistakable African appearance” and “negroid physiogomy[sic]” that was the result of distant African ancestry.[76] Valdes cited as evidence the 1761 Allan Ramsay portrait and claimed that her distant ancestor, Margarita de Castro e Souza, a 15th-century Portuguese noblewoman who traced her ancestry to King Afonso III of Portugal (1210–1279) and one of his mistresses, Madragana (c. 1230–?),[68] was from a “black branch of the Portuguese Royal House”,[70] without providing evidence of this unsubstantiated claim about the de Sousa family.

  91. Malla says:

    Spanish Moors

    • Replies: @Truth
  92. Truth says:
    @Cowtown Rebel

    “Yes, I have an incorrigible whore of a daughter who has inflicted this abominable financial and psychological burden on us.”

    Don’t these covertly, self-revealing stories, generally begin with; “I have this friend who has an incorrigible whore of a daughter…?”

  93. Truth says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Which has absolutely no bearing on what those unwashed and inebriated Londoners back then thought about themselves, and about godless and heretical foreign savages.

    If there were none in England at that time, where did they find out about the godless and heretical for foreign savages; CNN or Youtube?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  94. Truth says:

    Well now, does it seem more interesting, that in 18th century England, an artist who had theoretically never seen a black person before would paint the queen as having black features, or that another artist who had had theoretically never seen a black person before, would depict the queen as looking like most other people?

    According to historian Mario de Valdes y Cocom — who dug into the queen’s lineage for a 1996 Frontline documentary on PBS — Queen Charlotte could trace her lineage back to black members of the Portuguese royal family.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  95. @Truth

    Ambassadors and merchants were a thing, even then.
    Europeans always were, and continue to be quite good at boating, the navigation and suchlike.
    Several notorious privateers (OK, pirates) used to go to the Barbary coast to find Moorish slavers and royally fuck their shit up. It’s arguable that the Royal Navy owes its origins to combating these wicked predators, as much as fending off the Dutch and the Dagoes.

    Good Queen Bess had as many foreign “Moors and Blackamoors” as Cecil’s vast and ruthless intelligence network could find kicked out (this was the geezer who framed her own cousin Mary in order to get her ‘edited’ at the block).
    Because of the danger of suspected intrigues involving Philip’s plans for the heretics out here on the Atlantic shoals.

  96. Truth says:


    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  97. @Truth

    Nothing theoretical about it. It’s unlikely that persons such as Samuel Johnson’s servant Francis Barber (a Jamaican) would have gone unnoticed in (tiny) 18th century London’s higher social circles.
    Reynolds himself had such a character in his household.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  98. Wielgus says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Blacks were fashionable servants in the 18th century in England (I don’t know about earlier). For example the Jew has one, a boy, in one engraving from Hogarth’s A Harlot’s Progress. An older one, not necessarily a servant, is feeling up a woman in another Hogarth engraving, “Noon” in the series Four Times Of The Day.

  99. macilrae says:

    This is certainly the worst casting decision of 2020 – they should have had more guts if they wanted to go all the way to get noticed and be truly inclusive – why not have her played by a Masai warrior in full gear? That might have done the trick.

    God knows we ought to have a fair few of those wandering around England by now (likely don’t even need to provide a costume – assuming one is needed at all).

    How the BBC critics would love them then.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  100. @Wielgus

    I see that you’re impervious to bad humor. Thanks for the condescending reply, but I already know who she is, and I also know that she does a good American black dialect; more than one of them in fact. She sounded like a typical southern middle class black woman in “Queen and Slim”. No doubt she could also sound like an inner-city hood dweller if the role called for it.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  101. Truth says:

    How the BBC critics would love them then.

    There are BBC critics?

    (Inside joke, nevermind. General Ripper will explain it).

    • Replies: @macilrae
  102. Malla says:

    Truth, I will answer later for now. But anyways, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to everybody here on Unz.

    • Replies: @Truth
  103. Wielgus says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I had never even heard of her before this, and your comment on her made her sound like the “welfare queen” of much media comment in the USA. She actually seems rather nice. I say seems, as I have not met her and probably never will. She also seems to be a good actress from your description.
    “Impervious to bad humour” almost sounds like a compliment. Despite being in late middle age and after a lousy 2020 and its Covid, with a huge propaganda campaign telling me other people are bearers of a deadly pathogen and they should regard me in the same light, I don’t hate other people. Amazing, isn’t it?

  104. Truth says:

    And a happy Geeta Jayanti to you too!

    • Replies: @Malla
  105. macilrae says:

    How the BBC critics would love them then.

    Meaning the BBC’s arts critics – those who extol the intellect of rap and go into orgasm at the mention of anything African.

    • Replies: @Truth
  106. Truth says:

    You just made the inside joke even funnier. I’m guessing this was on purpose, but I could be wrong.

  107. I think Derb phoned this piece in.

  108. @macilrae

    Now then lad, there was a Zulu woman married a boy up the back of Munlochy. In the early eighties, when we went to check on our old Glasgow mate and party/grill for a solid week in midsummer as long as he lived. An absolute Tartar to her wee man, and a’ the neeburs. Doubt they ever had children.
    Well at least not by him, any road.

  109. macilrae says:

    Doubt they ever had children.

    Poor wee laddie … he tried, nay doot, but fell off … & she, carryin’ on, n’er noticed.

  110. Mr. Anon says:

    Sure, King James was a black man. He was an aspiring rapper too.

    “Truth” is a credulous fool who believes in all sorts of nonsense.

    He thinks the Earth is flat too. Ask him.

  111. Mr. Anon says:

    Casting this woman as Anne Boleyn is an offense against the truth not only because she’s black, but becuase she’s ugly. Boleyn was reputedly a great beauty. It’s hard to imagine a King who had his pick among women choosing this Wakandan. Couldn’t they even be bothered to find an attractive black actress to fill the role?

    I’ve no doubt that, even if a white actress had been cast, this teleplay would still suck. It would undoubtedly be mawkish in a modern SJW way and stuffed full of PC anachronisms.

    The Six Wives of Henry VIII was a much better portrayal of the events of that era than any of these modern offerings. Likewise Elizabeth R and The Shadow of the Tower. Even Mary Queen of Scots, despite its innacuracies, was better than the dreck on offer now.

    British TV and cinema – once often pretty good – is just crap nowadays.

  112. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    The Tudors was almost as clownish as Game of Thrones.

    Just from the previews alone, The Tudors looked like garbage. Merrye Olde Englande 90210.

    Although I do like Natalie Dormer. Now, on account of her, I can imagine a man bringing on the upheaval of the English Reformation.

  113. macilrae says:

    Myself, I thought “Wolf Hall” was superb with the excellent Mark Rylance as Cromwell and the ubiquitous Damien Lewis extremely good as a trimmed-down Henry. That was six years back and the BBC still had watchable programs – not yet quite free of its “hideously white” past.

  114. @unit472

    HA, ha.. I love it…So true..

  115. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    You seem to be unfamiliar with the use of dark shading to create contours and three-dimensionality when forced to work a black-and-white-only medium. You’re very ignorant.

    James was perfectly white. Everyone back then knew it. If he’d been the color of a black, everyone who met him would have commented on it back then, and they didn’t.

    • Replies: @Truth
  116. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Blacks will get nowhere with this. Ballet takes way more discipline than any black female has the patience for. Black women are also too fat in the butt and belly to make ballet moves properly. In a tutu, they look like a bottom-heavy sack of manure.

    • Replies: @Truth
  117. Truth says:

    If he’d been the color of a black, everyone who met him would have commented on it back then, and they didn’t.

    …Unlesss blacks in the royal family were not uncommon (hint).

    • Troll: Malla
  118. Truth says:

    Blacks will get nowhere with this. Ballet takes way more discipline than any black female has the patience for.

    WRONG AGAIN, knave Thursday.

  119. Malla says:

    I have never heard of Geeta Jayanti but thanks anyways. We Godless pagan heathen Hindus have so many holy days, it is hard to keep count.

  120. Malla says:

    That painting with that proud Moor on a horse, through the gates with blue sky. Check out the fine print, below. It is 1845, centuries after the Moorish rule was over. to keep it short, the moors were typical North Africans and thus Caucasoids. There surely were some Black Negroid race people among them from the South, but the majority were north African Caucasoids.

    Queen Lalla Salma of Morocco

    The REAL Identity of the MOORS
    “Black” Moors Dismissed

  121. Malla says:

    King James was the son of Mary Stuart and Henry Darnley. His parents had ties to the royal family of France and England. Both were described as incredibly attractive people. Darnley was very light with blonde features. Mary had brown hair and reddish highlights. Both were also Catholic, and came from a long line of traditional Catholic families through France via Mary’s mother, and Darnley’s father. Both had good claims to the English throne with Mary’s being the better one. I cannot see how James could be anything but white.
    Portrait of King James I (IV) as a boy, after Arnold Bronckorst
    yeah dats a black boy alrite. LOL

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Truth
  122. SFG says:

    Wouldn’t ‘swarthy’ mean ‘Mediterranean’ in this era, possibly indicating Charles had some ancestry from Southern Europe, rather than Africa? I’m not an expert on the history but I can see some Italian or Spanish princess somewhere in the line. Of course, I’m sure there’s some genealogy maven here who could sort this out…

  123. Truth says:

    My friend, you are a brilliant Brahmin, your IQ probably gives you the ability to build a time machine, that is the only way that we will know at this time, otherwise we can just keep posting competing links, or wait a few years, because as I have told you many times, we are in the era of illumination.

    • Replies: @Malla
  124. Truth says:

    And BTW, any source that says that the royals where “incredibly attractive” is almost certainly false, as they have been inbred for centuries. Look up the Hapsburgs.

  125. Malla says:

    Yes, until we have a time machine we may never know the real truths about history. Very true.
    I checked out the video. Interesting stuff. except at one point they claim that the evul White debils did not want Black man that that black man could be Kings too. And I woz like, What? THERE WERE KINGS IN AFRICA!! In West Africa itself itself, there were Kingdoms like Dahomey, Ashanti etc… who had Kings. Surely the earliest Fresh off the Boat Slaves would have known about them Black West African Kings as they had just arrived from Africa and in all probability sold to Jew/YT by those Kingdoms like Ashanti or Dahomey!!
    And those Kingdoms existed all they way till the late 1800s and early 1900s, it is only then that they were conquered by European Empires like the British Empire and French Empire . By this time, both the slave trade and slavery was banned by European powers, USA and Brazil.
    So all that time there were black slaves in the New World, there were powerful Kings back in Africa!!

    I think this desire to have King James on the Black tribe has a lot to do with the king James Bible.

  126. Malla says:

    yo, check this out, the country of Mauritania, slavery still exists today. Especially he Christians of the South be enslaved.

    Mauritania’s Dark Side

  127. I am so glad someone else was able to articulate what I was feeling. I am a huge historical drama fan since childhood and found myself shying away from them recently and watching old ones from the 70’s (hey they are brand new to me!) . I was amazed on how much care they took in to finding actors who looked the part! For example: Fall of Eagles, Edward 7, and Shadow of the Tower. I think anyone who has studied history as much as I have knows it repeats itself constantly and from Alexander the great to Napoleon divide and conquer is the way to win and if people don’t think we are intentionally being divided they need to wake the fuck up! I’m sick of the PC police ruining my entertainment too .

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