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If you followed the recent hysteria about our cruelty to illegal alien children on non-Main Stream Media, you’ll be familiar with the depth of nonsense and dishonesty behind it all.

You’ll know that the policy causing all the shrieking and fainting has been in place for years, long before Donald Trump showed up. You’ll have seen the old clips from not-that-many years ago of Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and both of the Clintons telling us what a great evil illegal immigration is and how we need to take a strong stand against it.

You’ve probably also heard the numbers. You know that of the 12,000 minors detained in the six weeks of our zero-tolerance policy, only 2,000 were actually with a person claiming to be a parent. That’s seventeen percent. You probably suspect, as I and Attorney General Sessions do, that if DNA testing were to be applied, that percentage would drop into low single figures.

You likely know that Mexico, through which these Central American invaders passed, has a well-equipped U.S. embassy and nine, count ’em nine, consulates scattered across that country from Yucatan in the south to Tijuana in the north. Any Central American seeking asylum in the U.S.A. could apply at any of those places, without any fear of being separated from his children.

You probably also know that Mexico is a nation addled with criminality and corruption. Much of what happens there is dictated by crime syndicates who depend on smuggling narcotics into the U.S.A. Those syndicates obviously have a keen interest in keeping our Border Patrol busy with other matters—like, for example, detaining and processing illegal border-crossers.

As of last Friday, you’re probably acquainted with the backstory behind Time magazine’s current cover picture of a weeping tot who, according to Time, had been ripped from her mother’s arms.

The true story—uncovered by the British press, of course, not by our own worthless hacks—is that the child comes from a comfortable middle-class family in Honduras; that the child’s mother long fantasized about living in the U.S.A.; and that she at last acted on her fantasy, paying six thousand dollars to people traffickers and heading north without telling her husband, who is left in Honduras with their other three children, aged fourteen to six.[ Honduran father reveals daughter was never separated from her mother, By Daniel Bates and Karen Ruiz , Daily Mail, June 23, 2018]

The husband tells us that to the best of his knowledge child and mother have not been separated … though child and father obviously have, by several hundred miles, at the mother’s initiative.

This whole thing, this whole hysteria, is in other words bogus from top to bottom, just like all the other Progressive hysterias of recent years: Charlottesville, Russian election meddling, Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, the savage racism of asking for voter I.D. at polling stations.

If you pay any attention at all, if you care at all about actual facts, if you’re willing to privilege—pardon the word, please: it’s the correct word—if you’re willing to privilege objective truth over your own surging emotions and personal resentments, you know that it’s all one Big Lie.

It’s a usual thing for people suspected of a crime to be detained by law enforcement. If they have kids, this perforce separates them from their kids, since no humane society wants kids placed in adult detention facilities.

That’s been true in the case of U.S. citizens for ever. To say it should not pertain to non-citizens is to privilege—again, that’s the mot juste here—to privilege foreigners over our own people. And foreigners have a straightforward way to avoid this particular peril: They can stay in their own countries.

“But they’re desperate!” wail the hysterics. “Their countries are so messed up! And it’s OUR FAULT they’re messed up!”

The first thing to be said about that is, that a very great many countries are messed up. Billions—that’s “billions” with a “b”—of people live in messed-up countries. A handful of outliers excepted, all countries are messed up except the few established and majority-populated by Ice People—Europeans and East Asians.

Getting and keeping a not-messed-up country seems to be a difficult, an extraordinarily difficult achievement. Not even Ice People can always pull it off. For a non-messed-up country, iciness is necessary but not sufficient. Russia is quite badly messed up; so is China. Check out Albania. Check out North Korea. Being an Ice People country doesn’t guarantee you’re not messed up, nor vice versa, but that’s the way to bet.

As for the notion of it being our fault that Central American countries are messed up, I don’t buy it. For one thing, messed-up-ness is the normal state of affairs for countries not populated and run by Ice People, as just stated.

Take Latin America. It’s hard not to notice that the general level of messed-upness down there is greatest where Ice People are least numerous. The southern “cone” countries—Chile, Argentina, Uruguay—with mostly Ice People populations, have their problems, no doubt; but none of them is Guatemala or El Salvador. They are the least messed-up Latin American countries.

How is that? Did we evil Gringos just forget to go and mess them up? Please.

I’m put in mind of the reply the Mexican made to the Texan when Tex asked why Mexicans are always so mad at the U.S.A. and blame us for everything. The Mexican’s reply, according to P.J. O’Rourke: “You stole half our country. And not only that, Señor, y ou stole the half with all the paved roads.

And then, if your country messed up my country, why would I spend my family’s savings and risk life and limb to break into your country, the great messer-upper?


One of the blessings of living in Central America is that if you are dissatisfied with your country, there are lots of countries close by you can flee to for refuge. A citizen of Honduras is closer to Mexico, Cuba, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Panama, Colombia, and the Bahamas than he is to the U.S.A., and not much further from Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Brazil.

Refuge-wise, he’s spoiled for choice. Why would he want to come here, to the Great Satan, with all our cruelty and racism and xenophobia and white supremacy and toxic masculinity?

Mrs. Hernandez, the mother in the Time magazine cover story, doesn’t seem at all mad about Uncle Sam messing up her country.

Listings of the Four Cardinal Virtues generally put prudence at number one.

In the realm of the National Question—the question of what kind of nation we wish to be, and of what kind of nation we wish our children and grandchildren to inherit—prudence is surely appropriate.

If getting and maintaining a non-messed-up country is as difficult at it seems to be, and as dependent as it seems to be on a healthy supermajority of Ice People, prudence consists in a strict attention to demographic stability and the avoidance of wild demographic experiments.

With all my heart, and with as loud a voice as I can raise, for the sake of my children and their children, I urge prudenceupon our nation’s leaders.

But what our nation’s leaders are actually doing is … nothing much.

There are plain political reasons for this. Some of them, some of those reasons, have been the motivations behind this week’s hysteria over illegal aliens. Others are more longstanding and baked-in to our system.

Our national legislature is quite finely balanced between the two big parties. The Senate is Republican by 51 percent; the House is Republican by 54 percent (55 percent if you factor in currently vacant seats). Under these circumstances, with midterm elections just twenty weeks away, both parties are of course strategizing like crazy.

The Democrats’ strategy is to run out the clock: doing nothing either positive or negative while striving to make President Trump look as bad as possible in the eyes of their base—GoodWhite ethnomasochists and racial minorities. The Main Stream Media are totally on board with this, and pushing the strategy for all they’re worth.

That’s what this week’s hysteria has been about. Random comment from a random media shill, this one actually Charles Blow [Email him] at the New York Times June 17th:

Trump is lying, as he often does. This barbaric policy is an outgrowth of his own personal cruelty … This practice of family separation must end, and Trump and every other politician who was silent about it or worse, endorsed it, must be held to account at the ballot box.[Trump and the Baby Snatchers]

That puts it as plainly as you could want. Trump is an evil person! Vote Democrat!

Godwin’s Law—which states, just to remind you, that as an internet discussion thread grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning Hitler approaches certainty—has been much in evidence in this week’s hysteria: so much so, in fact, that even some of the Open-Borders people have felt moved to protest.

Here for example was John Podhoretz, an old-school Jewish immigration sentimentalist and race denialist:

Hitler wanted all Jews dead. Trump wants non-Americans who are here in violation of US law out of the United States. Dislike that all you wish. I do. I do not think this is the right policy. But it’s not the systematic elimination of the Other.

Stop cheapening the Holocaust to score political points, June 22, 2018

Which might be a bit more persuasive if Podhoretz had not himself done a bit of Holocaust-cheapening five months ago when he compared either Presidential advisor Stephen Miller or our own Steve Sailer—it’s not clear which—to Joseph Goebbels.

Still, it’s a sign of how crazy things have gotten that even Podhoretz, a neocon’s neocon, thinks the Godwinization of our public discourse has gone too far.

That’s congressional Democrats and their MSM shills. What about congressional Republicans?

Well, there have been signs of sentient life in the House of Representatives. Yes, the Goodlatte Bill was voted down on Thursday, but it got 193 GOP votes, that’s 82 percent of the House Republicans who voted—much better than forecast. Praise and blessings from Radio Derb to all 193 of those House Republicans; a pox on the 41 Republican Nays (except those who, like Rep. Steve King, were voting against the Amnesty provision that the bill was trying to trade for patriotic reforms).

Speaker Paul Ryan himself did not vote. This is customary and not at all remarkable.

Ryan does, however, seem to have taken that better-than-expected 193 vote count to heart. He’s been working up a bill of his own, a much cuckier, more donor-friendly bill. He’d planned to bring his bill to a vote this week right after Goodlatte’s, but that vote has now been postponed to next week so that Ryan can jiggle the bill a bit to make it more acceptable to the 193. [House Rejects Hard-Line Immigration Bill and Delays Vote on Compromise, By Thomas Kaplan and Nicholas Fandos, The New York Times, June 21, 2018]

There is very little prospect that Ryan’s jiggling will make this second bill anything other than what it currently seems to be: a huge mass Amnesty for alien scofflaws garnished with some vague, easily-reversed promises on border security and internal enforcement. That’s what GOP donors want, and that’s what Ryan will give them. After all, six months from now he’ll be working for them openly, full-time, as a lobbyist.

The Senate is as usual immigration-shy and effectively inert. Even if Ryan’s bill passes the House, it will die in the Senate. Everybody, including Paul Ryan, knows this.

So it’s all kabuki theater. Democrats want to go into the midterms saying to their base that the President is Hitler; Republicans want to go in saying to their base that, heck, we know you want something done and we tried to do something, we really did, but there are just too many darn Democrats in Congress to get anything through.

The actual mood of the Republican base seems to be strongly pro-enforcement, even after this MSM blizzard of stories about howling toddlers being ripped from their mothers’ arms. The strong vote for the Goodlatte Bill reflects this: GOP congresscritters have been hearing from their constituents.

My own thumbnail gauge of GOP voter sentiment is, as I mentioned last week, the Letters columns of the New York Post, which I have reason to believe actually reflect the feelings of readers of this conventionally center-right newspaper in a not-very-Republican region.

The Post actually ran an editorial about border detentions as the hysteria got under way, taking quite a stern line against President Trump’s policy. [Stop breaking up families at the border, June 17, 2018] I waited patiently to see what the Letters column showed.


That editorial ran on Sunday, June 17. Monday, June 18, nothing. Tuesday, June 19, seven letters. Five of the seven were hysterical. The words “ripping,” “ripping,” “kidnapping,” and “ripped” showed up in four of the five. Godwin’s law of course kicked in, quote from a Manhattan letter-writer: “I now feel like I’m living in Nazi Germany,” That’s from the heart of New York City, current mayor Comrade Bill “Honeymoon in Castro’s Cuba” de Blasio.

Even then, though—on Tuesday, as the hysteria was cresting—two of the Post’s seven reader letters were non-hysterical. One blamed the illegals for putting their children at risk. Another calmly suggested using FEMA facilities—Federal Emergency Management Agency—to house the detainees.

Friday the Post ran another batch of readers’ letters, nine this time. Only one followed the hysterical line. Incredibly, it refrained from invoking Godwin’s Law; but it did include the phrase, quote, “ripped from their mothers’ arms,” The other eight wanted better border control and scoffed at the hysteria. Seven of the eight supported current policy. The eighth opposed it from the right, deploring, “President Trump’s executive order flip-flop,” which the writer blamed on Ivanka and Melania.

I don’t say this is definitive, certainly not any kind of scientific survey. Those letters do show, though, that even here in New York—the beating heart of Left-liberal lunacy and Republican cuckery—there are plenty of people not taken in by the hysteria.

I agree, by the way, with that eighth New York Post reader that Trump’s Executive Order was a blunder. The policy that caused all the hysteria—separating kids from their parents or pretend-parents and keeping them in HHS facilities for a few days—was perfectly legal, defensible, and humane. What’s supposed to happen now? We put the kids in Border Patrol lock-ups? How is that better?

The logic is inescapable. An adult who crosses the border without authorization is liable to arrest and detention, quite rightly so. If there are children with him, those children need to be detained and cared for, too; though since it’s the adult who broke the law, not the child, this is a child-care issue, not a law-enforcement issue.

If child-care detention in HHS facilities is unacceptable, and detention of children in Border Patrol lockups with their parents is unthinkable, the only possibility is to let the kids go. So thousands of children—including a lot of teenagers and likely some adults posing as teenagers —with no proper claim to U.S. residence, have gotten it. And when the accompanying adult really is the child’s parent, they’ll get to stay too.[‘Unaccompanied Migrant CHILDREN’ Arrive at NY Airport -Appear to be GROWN MEN With SCRUFFY BEARDS and Shaving Kits (VIDEO), Gateway Pundit, June 23, 2018]

Our courts will make sure of that. Our courts are in fact a big part of the problem. Michelle Malkin many years ago stated the Prime Directive of immigration jurisprudence: “It ain’t over until the alien wins.” That will probably be the governing factor in the fate of these Central American border-jumpers going forward.

A friend who knows much more about our laws and Constitution than I do tells me that Congress could in fact bar the federal judiciary from considering these cases.

That’s nice, supposing my friend is right and I’ve understood him correctly; but the chance of Congress actually doing anything that imaginative, or that patriotic, is so small you’d need an electron microscope to see it. So this idea is like—to leap to the other end of the cosmic scale—is like the Heat Death of the Universe: kind of interesting, but not actually relevant to anything likely to happen in our lives.

The President could anyway have spared himself all the wrangling his administration’s in for with the judiciary, and could also have spared us this last few day’s screeching hysteria, by just doing what he was elected to do: build an effective border barrier.

It’s not that hard. Israel’s done it; Hungary‘s done it; Saudi Arabia and India have done it. China did it two thousand years ago.

What, you want to tell me we can’t do it until Congress appropriates the funds? I don’t believe it. I understand about checks and balances, but the President doesn’t have thatlittle power. If we can bomb wedding parties in Afghanistan without a Congressional declaration of war, surely we can put up a decent border barrier.

This has been Trump’s greatest failure. Those of who voted for him, campaigned for him, and turned out on freezing winter mornings to show our support for him, need to keep telling him this.

Build the damn wall, Mr. President! BUILD THE DAMN WALL!

2010-12-24dl[1] John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includesNational Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT(also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Rational says:


    Thanks for the great article, Sir. You are so right.

    It is amazing that the gullible American public has been conned into thinking that immigration is good, and the aliens are good, when it is one of the greatest evils out there.

    Everything about immigration is evil—from the aliens, who use bogus documents and fake stories and fake photos of torture to invade this country and seek asylum, the fake H1 applicants with fake degrees from diploma mills, the fake companies with fake labor certs, the fake politicians who pretend to care about these alien invaders, criminals by any definition, the lying scamming liberal MSM who want to import cheap labor and Democratic voters, etc.

    The fake spouses, the fake marriages, and so on.

    Everything about immigration is evil.

    It is criminal racket, anyway you look at it.

    Ban it. Ban all immigration. America is full. We don’t need no aliens. We are running out of water.

    Build a wall. Make it 3 layers. The middle layer will be electrified it with high voltage wires.

    Since we are a caring people, put signs in Mexican saying “caution—high voltage. Touch the metal wall and death follows. MUERTE, MUERTE.”

    Problem solved.

  2. …if you’re willing to privilege objective truth over your own surging emotions and personal resentments, you know that it’s all one Big Lie.

    That’s a big if Derb. Many of my countrymen have consciously rejected objective truth saying it is a tool of their oppressors (white people). For them – if it feels good it is good. It feels good to hate.

    • Replies: @William Pierce
  3. i am not sure this has been stated yet from anyone besides the author . . . . but

    Build the Wall.

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  4. ians says:

    American journalists are laughably self-adoring, smug, prissy,self-righteous bores.

    • Replies: @Moi
  5. Giuseppe says:

    Central America is messed up on its own AND the CIA messed it up more. Coups, assassinations. Don’t try to tell me that the US has clean hands in Latin America, its very own Monrovian backyard.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Wally
  6. Flip says:

    The evil, pandering McCain said it to get votes.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  7. fnn says:

    You likely know that Mexico, through which these Central American invaders passed, has a well-equipped U.S. embassy and nine, count ‘em nine, consulates scattered across that country from Yucatan in the south to Tijuana in the north. Any Central American seeking asylum in the U.S.A. could apply at any of those places, without any fear of being separated from his children.

    Apparently not:

    The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States considers asylum only for aliens who are physically present in the United States.

    • Replies: @republic
    , @Lana Kane
    , @Anon
  8. KenH says:

    You probably also know that Mexico is a nation addled with criminality and corruption.

    What?!? Not according to Fredrico Reed. He says it’s a bucolic land teeming with bookstores, tech geniuses and freedom. And ok maybe some drug cartels here and there but they’re very careful not to inconvenience or upset anyone. Anyone who calls bullshit is a white nationalist and you’ll be targeted and pilloried in his next column once he dries out.

    They can stay in their own countries.

    This statement gives me heart palpitations. White nations are for everyone except the white people who founded and built them.

    Still, it’s a sign of how crazy things have gotten that even Podhoretz, a neocon’s neocon, thinks the Godwinization of our public discourse has gone too far.

    Whew! Thankfully (((Podhoretz))) isn’t against arresting border jumpers with children although that could change any day. To go against the Jews is to go against Gawd.

  9. unit472 says:

    I suspect the Pentagon has spent a lot more than $25 billion building bases and infrastructure in support of its never ending War On Terror all over the world so Trump could task the military with building a border wall to defend the United States from an invasion of illegal immigrants.

    Wasn’t that how the west was settled. The US army set up bases on the frontier and fought the Indians so pioneers could move in and settle the land?

  10. republic says:

    Embassies and consulates of the US will in certain cases give a person temporary protection for a few days until that person feels safe to leave.

    Actually if a person in Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador needed protection any Latin American Embassy would give that person temporary protection.

    Temporary protection by the US was given to the Chinese Fanf Linz just after Tiannanmen. He stayed for one year. Another Chinese case was that of Chen Gunagcheng who stayed for one week in Beijing.

    Another famous example is that of Cardinal Mindszenty who stayed at the US embassy in Budapest for 15 years.

    If the US government was serious about this border crisis it could easily set up special diplomatic zones in various Central American capitals, where any person could go to they felt in danger. Asylum claims could be made there. If the claim was successful then that person would be flown to the US.

    Australia does this on various off shore islands like Nauru , or in Papua New Guinea where the refugees are held until their asylum claims are processed.

    It is highly likely such a scheme will be into effect in North Africa by the EU in the near future to stop the farce of the NGO water taxi service to Europe

  11. republic says:

    Fred Reed should be considered a Mexican nationalist as he is really a renegade American in all senses .

  12. Rich says:

    The Left in the US has made the decision that there will be no Southern Border. It’s done. Just like they did with homosexual marriage, which they were all against before the election, then suddenly became “enlightened” after the election. I have a relative, through marriage, active in Leftist political circles, who proclaimed at a recent family dinner that “it’s a basic human right for people to live wherever they want.” This is what the Dems really believe, and this is what we will eventually get, if something isn’t done soon.

  13. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey…Trump lost the optics on this. Democrats and MS13 are torturing puppies. Not to mention

    “The stabbing murder of this young man is among the most brutal crimes I’ve seen in my 36yr career.”

    Zero chance for rationality regarding illegal babies.

  14. @Rich

    I hope the left continues with this agenda. Their platform is now as palatable as supermarket bagels. All centrists must now look at Trump as the reasonable one. And not all Dems are completely crazy. Letting millions of borachos loose on our highways represents an existential threat to everyone, even #Resist dingbats driving Priuses.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  15. On his first day in office, Trump should have imposed a hefty tax on remittances/money transfers out of the U.S to pay for the wall.

    A “border security” tax on remittances, would not only be more equitable a way to fund the wall, but would also provide the added benefit of discouraging economic migration.

    • Replies: @Anthony Aaron
  16. Realist says:


    Unz is missing a great new writer to present to his readers. Here is another great article by Caitlyn Johnstone

  17. Joe Mack says:

    If we can’t build a wall, let’s at least put some landmines down. Separate invaders from their bodies.

  18. @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Yes — but that might accidentally target all of the billion$ sent to i$rael every year — often disguised as bond$ for i$rael.

    • Replies: @Moi
  19. @ElitecommInc.

    Hey you know, I think you’re onto something.

    Message to President: BUILD THE WALL, NOW!

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  20. Medvedev says:

    We’ve spent trillions of dollars in the last 17 years “defending” (invading) other countries around the World:Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria. Yet, 25 billions to actually defend and secure our southern border is too much?

  21. “It’s not that hard. Israel’s done it”

    LOL A ‘country’ who’s ‘boundaries’ are not recognized by the majority of the world is an excellent example of the stupidity of ‘the Wall’ issue. First off, w/o the cheap labor the U.S.’s food economy will (and is) collapsing. Secondly, that the best estimate of the cost is AT LEAST 50 billion $$$ should give a clue that the Gov is simply setting up another pork barrel. If the U.S.’s southern border were a in need of a wall, the Pentagon will be advocating for it and they are not. And in fact, the Pentagon also is aware of climate change and has tried to get that through the thick fog that enwraps so called ‘conservatives’ t brains. To no avail. The powers that be are only that due to their pandering to racists and war mongers’ racism and fear. Enjoy your racist, police state.

  22. @Rich

    The Left in the US has made the decision that there will be no Southern Border.

    I don’t think this is true, but even if it was and there was no border, there would be a limited number of illegal immigrants if it were not possible for them to obtain employment, medical care, and education in the US without legal status or valid social security numbers.

    The US might want to consider some of the strategies currently used by the UK in which landlords, employers, health care givers, and schools are mandated to verify legal status before entering into contracts or providing services.

    (The downside of what is going on the in the UK is that wives of British men who have lived in the UK for 35 years and have British born children are suddenly being told that due to minor paperwork requirements they must now return to Australia within the week or be arrested and deported by an immigration kangaroo court–but then you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs.)

    The biggest driver by far of illegal immigration is corporations that employ large numbers of illegal immigrants. Arresting and locking up a few corporate board members would send a message and work a treat. This may not be legal under the current corporate hegemony system, but an executive order or two should do the trick.

    Personally I don’t think the wall would be very effective, though I have no objection in theory. Troops can easily be deployed to protect the most vulnerable parts of the border.

  23. MarkinLA says:

    First off, w/o the cheap labor the U.S.’s food economy will (and is) collapsing.

    And that statement was an excellent example of Ralphealski’s stupidity.

  24. It seems to me that anti-immigrant sentiment is rising in many, many countries which are preferred destinations of the illegal immigrants. The U.S. is not alone in this regard.

    Along with the rise in anti-immigrant sentiment so too does rise the prospects of more and more right-leaning governments both here and elsewhere. So, the left-leaning liberals (or do I repeat myself) both here and elsewhere by favoring immigrants are engendering a political shift that is not in their interests with virtually all of these mostly western countries.

    The Left is committing suicide.

    • Replies: @Wally
  25. @Ralphaelski

    Whoohooo! Between your economic stupidity regarding border barriers (cont’d here), the Global Climate Stupidity, and the Racial Stupidity all crammed into that one paragraph, I am duly impressed, sir.

    That comment was a literal trifecta of stupid! Kudos! Muchos Kudissimos!

  26. Leaving the border control / immigration stupidity aside for just a moment here, what Mr. Derbyshire’s post here is really about is the ability of the Lyin’ Press to make up stories out of thin air. They are able to do that because people, including most reading right here, still pay attention to their idiot boxes.

    John Derbyshire has an excuse, as he’s got to watch some of this in order to be able to comment on the stupidity of it. The rest of us have no excuse for not tuning out, pissing off, and logging in. How to deal with cable TV salesmen.

  27. @Buzz Mohawk

    All one need do is deduct expenses from aid to Mexico.

    Infact, we should subtract every penny illegals from Mexico cost us

  28. Derb actually hits on something rather profound here. The idea that the cartels are instigating the border crisis to create confusion, divert manpower and make their shipments easier. I wouldn’t doubt it for a second. I’ve said it before, but someone has to go digging into the finances of the Deep State, Nancy Pelosi, Paul Ryan, McCain and all the other border cucks. I suspect quite strongly that they’re on the payroll of the cartels. Simply ascribing their actions to Chamber of Commerce lobbyists just doesn’t cut it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Stan d Mute
  29. Derb: do you think that maybe President Trump has not yet built the wall because he understands, as do our Democratic friends, that it don’t hurt to have an issue.

    And, did not Sen. Moynihan say that to pass something important, like Social Security, you need a 70-30 vote in the Senate?

    I’d say that our Democratic friends are about two 55-45 presidential losses shy of contributing to a Bipartisan Build the Wall Act.

    In other words, until Democrats are ready to crawl over broken glass to beg President Trump to sign a Bipartisan Build the Wall Act, it is too early to act.

  30. @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman writes: “Kudos! Muchos Kudissimos!”

    Greek, Spanish, and Italian. How very multicultural!

  31. …”all countries are messed up except the few established and majority-populated by Ice People—Europeans and East Asians.” Most East Asia countries are a mess. The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians and have a first world country. China is a mess – your wife’s mother country. South Korea has peaked and is devolving.

  32. KenH says:

    There was no need for Trump to cuck on family separation. In so doing be bowed to elite opinion, fake news, the left wing mob and Ivanka and Melania’s nagging. We voted for him to stand fast in these situations and he didn’t. I hope it’s not a harbinger of things to come.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  33. ‘…Still, it’s a sign of how crazy things have gotten that even Podhoretz, a neocon’s neocon, thinks the Godwinization of our public discourse has gone too far…’

    You’re optimistic. I think Podhoretz is merely concerned to protect the perfect uniqueness of the Holocaust. Nothing — not even the evil of Donald Trump — can be compared to it and allowed to thus cheapen it.

    Mr. Podhoretz, you see, is a monotheist.

  34. Wally says:

    Derbyshire said:
    “Which might be a bit more persuasive if Podhoretz had not himself done a bit of Holocaust-cheapening five months ago when he compared either Presidential advisor Stephen Miller or our own Steve Sailer—it’s not clear which—to Joseph Goebbels.”

    “Cheapening”? The ‘holocaust’ Big Lie is the biggest part of the Zionist scams.

    There simply was no ‘6,000,000 Jews’ murdered by ‘The Nazis’, and there is no proof for it.
    They already have you if you believe in that impossible hog wash.

    BTW: the fake ‘6,000,000’ which Jews have been pushing since at least 1823.

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”
    – Elie Wiesel

    Only lies need to be shielded from debate, truth welcomes it.

  35. Wally says:

    The left only has the fake ‘6,000,000 Jews’ to use as a weapon of enforcement.
    That impossibility is melting away.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    The Deportation of Hungarian Jews from May to July 1944
    by Carlo Mattogno :
    most of them were transferred OUT of Auschwitz, none were gassed, ever

    Juergen Graf : The Fate of Unregistered Auschwitz Inmates

    • Replies: @Moi
  36. Corvinus says:

    “I’ve said it before, but someone has to go digging into the finances of the Deep State, Nancy Pelosi, Paul Ryan, McCain and all the other border cucks. I suspect quite strongly that they’re on the payroll of the cartels.”

    OK, that someone is you. You are (I assume) white, probably have a high IQ, and perhaps have a strong work ethic. So you are now in charge of proving that these people are indeed on the payroll of the cartels. I mean, if you truly suspect it, why not prove it?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  37. Sweeter than honey are the tears of Central American children.

    Remember, folks, tears! We need to see tears. Mexican tears. Round-ups with crying, red eyes, and pleading. That’s what we need. Without tears, we’re not digging deep enough. Without tears on the front page and the 7 o’clock news, we don’t know if anyone’s doing the job. Brace yourselves. Harden your hearts. And drive them back into the sea/desert.
    -Chrisnonymous, January 4, 2017

  38. Mishra says:

    The self-styled elites keep getting confused, and reality hits them back another time:

    Trump’s poll numbers are surging

    President Donald Trump has faced intense, sustained media and political backlash to his immigration policies.

    But amid the controversies, Trump’s approval is near a high at 45%.

    That’s about what President Barack Obama was polling at this stage in his presidency.

    Many in the US don’t trust the media, potentially explaining why the outrage on news programs hasn’t shown up in polling.

    President Donald Trump has faced intense, sustained backlash to his immigration policies even after a partial reversal of course.

    But even as some officials in the Trump administration are shouted out of restaurants and called fascists to their face, Trump’s polling numbers have been steady — even rising — over the past several weeks.

    It would be kind to call this cognitive dissonance. It’s not, really, it’s more like ignorant stupefaction inasmuch as they think: “All right-thinking people hate him, he’s a Nazi, he’s mean to immigrants, just look at my Twitter feed! Look at the mass media!” “So his popularity must be lower than ever, right? Right?”

    If only Trump himself could figure this out…

  39. Lana Kane says:

    Wow! The old fact-checkeroo. Didn’t know it worked on the Derb.

    I’m sure he is this very minute searching for just the right G.K Chesterson or Samuel Johnson quote to put you in your place.

    • Replies: @Anon
  40. Biff says:

    Hitler wanted all Jews dead. Trump wants non-Americans who are here in violation of US law out of the United States. Dislike that all you wish. I do. I do not think this is the right policy. But it’s not the systematic elimination of the Other.

    I think Podhertz got this wrong(probably on purpose). Hitler like Trump, wanted non-Germans(Jews, Gypsies, Slavs) out of Germany – for good.

  41. @Ralphaelski

    @Ralphaelski Hello from Australia. Thank you for posting here, in what must be very hostile territory for you. I have been on a long, and mostly fruitless, quest to understand what open-borders advocates in America and Australia are thinking. I have no idea whether your view is a common one, but at least you have stated a position. Immigrant labor is essential for US agriculture; if the southern border was a security threat, the Pentagon would already want a wall; the Trump supporters are just racists and gun nuts.

    I have to leave it to the American commenters to debate whether that is a plausible picture. I will say that the American situation seems to be rife with illegality: Aren’t millions of those migrant workers in the country illegally? Aren’t there tens of thousands of other people who cross the southern border illegally, but who are then allowed to stay?

    This is one of the things that I find menacing about the American situation – how lacking in law and order it is. Another is the absence, in elite media and opinion, of any clear concept of how many people are enough, or of any standards regarding who should be let in. All I hear is a clamor of “let them in, let them in”, and calls to resist whatever action the Trump administration introduces.

    In Australia, some things are different. We have a natural border, our coastline. Both our major parties try to keep people offshore until their claims to refugee status can be reviewed. The last time that policy was temporarily abandoned (about ten years ago), boats started coming in large numbers and thousands of people drowned, as has been happening in the Mediterranean; so the policy was reinstated.

    Popular anger here, regarding immigration, has more to do with overloaded infrastructure – hospitals, roads, and cities getting crowded. I have the impression that the number of people admitted each year, several hundred thousand, is regulated so as to keep the economy growing or house prices going up; so that might be our version of the economic rationale for mass immigration.

    However, I have not seen a clear official statement to this effect, just as I have not seen an official US government policy saying, American agriculture needs migrant labor, so I wonder whether, in both cases, one is dealing with a kind of unspoken elite consensus, rather than a policy that has been put to the popular vote. And this is another reason I am alarmed about the state of immigration policy in both countries – it seems to be one of many issues in which democracy doesn’t really count for much, and instead everything important is decided out of sight, by deals among elite factions.

    Regarding the alleged racism and warmongering, among those who want immigration greatly reduced and much more controlled… obviously Derbyshire and many of his commenters believe in serious racial differences (“Ice People vs Sun People”). And they are keen on guns in a way that can be disturbing to an Australian (though aren’t they mostly against America’s wars?). So there’s some truth to your remarks.

    I would maintain that there is some legitimacy to ethnic self-interest, though it cuts both ways. If you’re white, you have reason to fear anti-white activists; but if you’re Mexican or Arab, you have a personal incentive to see the racist or militarist dimension of American policy. But as I hope I have demonstrated, there are other reasons to care about out-of-control immigration. The best hope for a civil outcome might be, for us to be frank about our personal motivations, but to also aim for policies that can be justified by principles, like justice or coexistence.

  42. @Rational

    Nice to know ALL sides of a debate can be hysterical.

  43. @Mitchell Porter

    I’m from Gettysburg, PA. We have a large fruit industry. The people who pick the apples today are mostly Mexicans. Some are illegal, but many are not. I actually have little problem with the Mexicans I’ve worked with; they’re very hard-working folks. Before the Mexicans became our main migrant laborers, we used a lot of Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans, Haitians, and southern blacks. The Puerto Ricans were not as good as the Mexicans, but they weren’t as violent as the Jamaicans, et al. Take that for what it’s worth.

    But the goal of the open borders plan isn’t just about bringing in hard workers. They’re using them as a shield to change our society. And run drugs. And of course a lot of these illegals aren’t even Mexicans, from southern Mexico (where a lot of farm laborers come from), but, as Derbyshire pointed out, people from central American countries south of Mexico.

    Anyway, the reality is that at one time the fruit farmers used white workers from in town in Gettysburg. I’d say that was common until the 1960s or ’70s, not really sure. They would bus them in for the day, or a week or two, and they’d go back to whatever else they did. That worked better when people had more seasonal jobs on small farms of their own, but something like that could still be arranged. I also believe that, in a sensible society, more kids from schools would be able to help out and learn something. If you look at the products of our public education system, where they don’t work much at all, it ain’t pretty.

    In summary: We have plenty of people in this country who don’t work, but who could work. (At one time, many poor black folks from the South migrated up here to pick fruit; we can’t teach poor blacks in Baltimore to pick apples off a tree today?) I’m totally unconvinced that we could not survive in agriculture without illegal Mexicans.

    And you have people like John McCain, who once said Americans “won’t” pick watermelons for $50 an hour. Good grief. I would love to be able to pick watermelons for $50 an hour.

    Also, this country would be a lot better if people had their own gardens. This used to be more common, even in cities. That way we wouldn’t rely so much on grocery stores, which apparently rely on chains that involve criminality.

    • Agree: Dissident, RadicalCenter
  44. @Mitchell Porter

    And as for guns, sir, perhaps I can explain a bit from my perspective, which is as a rural American.

    Your question is very interesting. Why would anti-war conservatives love guns? I’ll try to answer.

    We (or, I) love guns because:

    1) We hunt with them …… a lot. We use them as a common tool for all sorts of things, if one lives in the country.

    2) Related to #1, the gun is a part of our/my culture as a rural American. It’s a tool my ancestors used to settle this country. I know exactly where my family first began farming in America in the 1700s, and I know the kind of guns they used (the Pennsylvania/Kentucky long rifle, created by German gunsmiths)

    3) They feature prominently in some of the best movies of our old culture, elegies on leadership and manhood like ‘The Searchers’ and’Shane.’

    Although I am rural, most American conservatives grew up in suburbs. Which are a product of industrial life and government overreach. But even suburban people, at heart, have the desire to be country. All Americans, at heart, want to be out mending fences. I’m convinced it’s almost a pathological problem when American men repress their natural desire to be “out on the open range” being all manly and whatnot. So the gun – even a plastic-looking AR-15 – represents to a suburban white man the kind of self-reliance and resiliency that were the hallmarks of his rural and/or industrial working class ancestors. Hopefully this explains why the gun is so important to suburban mainstream American white men in so many numbers.

    And guns are fun to shoot! It’s nice recreation.

    The movie I referenced, ‘Shane,’ is a wonderful movie based on a great novel. There are many threads to interpret within ‘Shane,’ but one of them explains how an anti-war conservative in America might think: a gun is a tool. A good tool. And it’s a part of our way of life as self-sufficient men protecting our families and communities, who want a simple life of peace and food on the table. But it is something that should only be used for killing when absolutely necessary.

    Like a lot of folks, my grandfather taught me to shoot, and that’s basically what he would feel.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  45. What I do not see mentioned is Hadrian’s wall in N England.
    E. A. Freeman, ‘Western Europe, In the fifth century, An Aftermath’, London 1904
    And, in the good old days, in any case in Europe, there were natural borders, rivers and swamps.
    The Danube was an important border, it was crossed just when frozen, but just at an early date, otherwise retreat was blocked.
    Holland was an unique area, protected in the south by rivers, in the east by swamps.
    There were far more waterways, an inland sea, and the north, where people lived on terps, artificial mounds, at high tide the sea surrounded these.
    The Romans left it alone.
    One of Germany’s problems was having no natural borders, except the Rhine.
    The Romans did build a bridge, but were beaten in the thick woods.

    • Replies: @fitzGetty
  46. @Mitchell Porter

    “. I have been on a long, and mostly fruitless, quest to understand what open-borders advocates in America and Australia are thinking ”
    You forget to mention Europe.
    If they think, I do not know.
    But it is something like ‘it is our fault that large areas of the world are poor, therefore we should welcome anyone’.
    In Germany these ideas are mingled with the guilt feelings educated there to the present day, as Merkel said about the Willkommen, ‘es war einmal anders’, she meant jews fleeing Hitler Germany.
    These Gutmenschen, goodpeople’, fail to see the mess in Zimbabwe, the mess S Africa is becoming, and the Venezuelan mess.
    They have the idea that w’re responsible for the whole world.
    Just last Sunday in a Dutch tv program a black gentleman, the correct way of describing a negro these days, talked about ‘fair sharing’.
    Alas those there all were Gutmenschen, so nobody asked what he meant, what should be shared and how.

  47. m___ says:

    To our superficial scanning of “search for commenter x’s history, the complete site” search only burps up the last dozen or so comments. It seems there is comment stripping going on at This is a censuring tactic, practiced by no different as by the notorious ones: Google, Youtube.

    Does any of the regular commenters care that anything grander as a dozen or so of their most recent comments are “black holed”? Just try for yourself, search for your comment history using the search box of the site. The issue is reproducible, regardless of the author of the comment. Is repeatable from browser to browser. It is thus a “feature” at the server site.

    For this there can be no excuse in our opinion, alternative media, in method of censuring certainly are little more original and no less obstrusive turns out.

    Content and formatting are deeply correlated this must be mainstream knowledge to the average reader, it also opens the possibility of data analysis to the “priviledged only”, and profiling.

    The practive at is recent, it was not in april.

    Would love to hear some feedback of the ones concerned. Contact: [email protected], commenter handle: m___

  48. Moi says:

    Just American journalists, or Americans in general. 🙂

  49. Moi says:
    @Anthony Aaron

    We should take the tribute and other freebies we give Israel annualy to build the wall. Build it long, build it tall, just build the damn thing!

  50. Moi says:

    The truth does not need prohibition on speech to defend it.

  51. The NWO cabal does not want a wall as they want a ONE WORLD GOV and do this they want the U.S. flooded with unlimited illegal immigrants and bring down the American living standard to third world status which they feel would facilitate the merger of the U.S. into the One World Gov.

    The book THE COMMITTEE OF 300 by John Coleman lays out what the cabals game plan is for America ie the destruction of America.

  52. @Bragadocious

    I suspect quite strongly that they’re on the payroll of the cartels. Simply ascribing their actions to Chamber of Commerce lobbyists just doesn’t cut it.

    Not just cartels, also Mexican Government, Guatemalan and Salvadoran governments, hell – anyone with a competitive reason to see the US decline in importance (England, EU, China, India, Russia, etc) or seeking a far off place to send the losers they don’t want at home.

    Advocating an insecure border is simply Treason.

  53. Indeed, build that damn Trump wall! But after that go invade Mexico to rid the ten percent Ice people who are killing the Ice people here by flooding the North with drugs. Of course, Johnny Derb the Limey come lately won’t go for that as the wordsmith, and that’s the right Moh Zhoost for him, knows that the illicit drug traffic helps the Ice people the most… he would rather you invade elsewhere, where his paymaster makes money!

  54. @Mitchell Porter

    Immigrant labor is essential for US agriculture;

    Clearly you know nothing about US Ag. Let me draw you some pictures since you’re self-admittedly Australian and therefore very limited in understanding of our language:

    They’re called “tractors” and “combine harvesters”. They somehow manage to operate without Mexicans or Guatemalans (who frequently must be taught what toilets are and how to use them upon arrival in America).

    You don’t need to own a farm (as I have) nor even live in Ag country (as I do), but maybe try to get a hint of a clue before you comment. America still suffers enormously from importing illiterate savage field labor 400 years ago, we don’t need any more of that.

    (And before you rush to whinge about “fruits and vegetables” …)

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  55. Ben Frank says:

    The progressives can sense their own evil nature, and feel that they deserve consequences. Unless they can do something supremely virtuous like supporting Open Borders. So they’re closing their eyes to the obvious.

  56. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Shane is perhaps the best and greatest exposition of American male virtues, including, chivalry, courage, generosity, resourcefulness, and self-reliance – but a self-reliance interwoven with charity and neighborliness (not nosiness).

    Another great American virtue is developed in Shane: redemption. Ben Johnson’s character, Chris Calloway, reminds us all that “yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there’s still time to change the road you’re on.”

    How about Shane’s recognition of his limitations? How about his decision to leave, knowing that, for the moment, Joey (Brandon de Wilde), will be crushed, but understanding that its better that he leave lest temptations of the flesh bring harm to the man, and the family, who extended their hands in friendship and for whom he employed his gun fighting skills to save?

    In my view, Shane is the all-time numero uno for Westerns, with The Outlaw Josey Wales a close second. It is also belongs on any all-time Top 10 list of movies. Even ((( certain directors and producers ))) acknowledge its cinematic greatness.

  57. “The logic is inescapable. An adult who crosses the border without authorization is liable to arrest and detention, quite rightly so. If there are children with him, those children need to be detained and cared for, too; though since it’s the adult who broke the law, not the child, this is a child-care issue, not a law-enforcement issue.”

    Mr. Derbyshire is speaking of the Dreamers, I assume.

  58. TG says:

    If he cared to, Trump could declare a national emergency and send the army to the border and just not let anyone cross. He could even classify the operation, and prohibit reporters from covering it, or discussing any details, or reporting on the costs. This sort of thing is done all the time, the government has some operation (like when Obama used to throw parties for his wealthy donors and he wanted to close off the downtown of a city) and declares it off-limits to everyone and that’s that. Try to cross the line and some big marine will bash you with a baton until you get the message. It is that simple.

    But the rich want cheap labor more than anything, so it will never happen.

  59. Open Borders would solve the problem of illegal immigration.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  60. I wonder whether Mr. Derbyshire is really stupid, or just playing stupid for some reason. He is right about the artificial hysteria whipped up by certain forces, but the damn wall won’t solve any problems. The only thing that can stop a flow of illegals is their inability to find employment in the US. If every employer hiring illegals is fined to the tune of $50,000 per an illegal employee, this whole circus would stop. There are cheaper legal ways of importing workers, even temporary unskilled strawberry-pickers. There are special visas for that. The employers are simply saving on the expense of going the legal way, as well as on the salaries (illegals are in no position to demand even minimum wage) and Social Security payments. As the main donors of both so-called Republicans and Democrats are employers, the politicians of both parties engage in disingenuous song and dance about the wall (Republicans) or open borders (Democrats), totally ignoring the real solution.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
  61. @davebarnes

    And create 10,000 other problems. That would be the suicide of any country.

    • Replies: @Anon
  62. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    > “The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States considers asylum only for aliens who are physically present in the United States.”

    Most are not seeking asylum, just better-easier lives.

    That is, they are economic, not political, refugees.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Anon
  63. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    >”First off, w/o the cheap labor the U.S.’s food economy will (and is) collapsing.”

    Yes, Senor Malthus: the world WILL soon be overpopulated and starving.

    Except for, er… wars, artificial fertilizer, refrigeration, tractors, combines, canning factories, etc.

    ATMs replaced beaucoup tellers. Self-checkouts are replacing cashiers in Walgreens, CVS, supermarkets, etc.

    What are non-English-speaking, low-IQ beaners going to do, save mooch and form gangs in the Internet Era?

  64. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Not refugees at all. They are invaders, scavengers, marauders, bargers.

  65. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lana Kane

    So illegals can’t apply to become citizens outside of America?

    • Replies: @Lana Kane
  66. @Flip

    His is a grave I would micturate upon.

  67. @Bragadocious

    “All centrists must now look at Trump as the reasonable one.”

    Yep. That’s how fanatical liberals and the left have become.

  68. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    >”Open Borders would solve the problem of illegal immigration.”

    I think he was kidding.

    You know, like eating Irish babies would solve the famine problem.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  69. @Anon

    Well, if s/he was kidding, sarcasm is duly noted. It did not sound like kidding, though.

  70. republic says:

    Many areas of the US which are almost all white have been systematically targeted by refugee resettlement programs to place people like Somalis in places like Maine,Idaho and Minnesota.
    A very evil scheme to destroy the social cohesion of a given area. There are now only 56% whites in the US, the official figures for non Hispanic whites are higher, but all government statistics regarding race are lies. The government includes Mexicans as whites in crime statistics in order to distort the true crime rates.

  71. fitzGetty says:
    @jilles dykstra

    … and, best of all, the Irish Sea kept the Romans out of Ireland …

  72. @Rational

    The fake spouses, the fake marriages, and so on.

    This is one of the biggest scams on earth!
    I know one guy who married some one for money, and afterwards, got his real wife, a green card, his sons, daughters, etc. Who the heck is checking on this? Always abusing the system, I am sick of it. Agencies are full of heart bleeding evilcraps, and they are ruining this great Country.

  73. @WorkingClass

    the DEMs left are criticizing policies dating back to the Obama/Clinton yrs. Canada, Australia, Israel separate families too….in Mexico they kill illegal aliens including migrant children…Israel abducts young Palestinians from their homes in the middle of the night. .burtns babies to death…Old Roman empire lost control of its borders and collapsed…the Ottoman, Persians empires also…BUILD the wall….easy a 0.05% tax on $50billion of USA remittances to Mexico…enough to build the wall and finance the ICE/DHS depts.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  74. @KenH

    “We voted for him to stand fast in these situations and he didn’t. I hope it’s not a harbinger of things to come.”

    I voted for him to win the war, not squander vast resources on inconsequential battles.

    • Replies: @KenH
  75. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    USA governed Americans should move to South America, so the South Americans can move into north America (put revolving doors into the Trumpty-Dumpty wall) to enable arriving South Americans to experience the likes of Trump, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, and Johnson, to pay massive insurance premiums for worthless medical care and nearly bogus pharmaceuticals and to pay for license to work or to build a home (that welfare check will only go so far). Moving North Americans to occupy south America reduces health care to affordable, solves the restriction Against Americans in USA graduate schools(now you can apply as a foreign student with nearly 100% assurance of acceptance), and eliminates the need for a license to earn a living; it reduces cost of living by a bunch and protects the children of the USA governed Americans from having to fight wars for Israel or others all over the world, Land in South America is cheap, the politicians come and go so fast it is not necessary to vote, regime change is spontaneous; the place is crawling with American Corporations so getting a job there probably will not be difficult.

  76. Clyde says:

    You have won this month’s Unz “hero of the stupid” award. The prize is dinner for you and your boyfriend at the Red Hen.

  77. Build the wall and deport them all.

  78. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    If America is defined as being about ‘democracy and diversity’, how is it different from Brazil and Mexico that also claim to be about ‘democracy and diversity’? Or India that also bills itself as a nation of ‘diversity and democracy’? Based on logic, America = Brazil = Mexico = India.

    Those are empty words and abstract principles that can apply to any nation.

    A nation has to be more than buzzwords and slogans.

    True America had roots in history, heritage, and blood.

    It’s like a bottle of orange juice has history and roots in how the oranges were harvested from an orange tree that grew from the soil. It is not the label that makes a bottle of orange juice what is is. The label follows the history of how orange juice was made: how the tree was grown, how the oranges were harvested, how the oranges were squeezed and bottled. Label follows the ‘historical’ process of making the orange juice.

    America used to be like that. The label of ‘American’ followed a particular history with deep roots that goes all the way back to Europe. The label followed the history and roots.

    But at some point, history and roots were overlooked as primary determinants of identity, and all that mattered was the LABEL of Americanism. Then, anyone labeled an ‘American’ became an American. Label took precedence over the content and history.

    Imagine if orange juice is defined by the label and not the history of how it was made into juice from oranges. Then, ANY juice can be made into ‘orange juice’ by wrapping it with the label of ‘orange juice’. Grape juice, apple juice, prune juice, whatever juice can be ‘orange juice’ by the label alone. Take some guava juice, label it ‘orange juice’ on the bottle, and it is ‘orange juice’.

    Label must follow content and history. When the Label takes precedence, the content and history lose meaning because ANYTHING can be made ANYTHING by labeling alone. So, if beef is labeled as pork, it is pork. If pork is labeled as lamb, it is lamb. If lamb is labeled as chicken, it is chicken. How utterly ridiculous.

    Look at European soccer teams. They are no longer about content and history. They are about labels. Any African labeled a Frenchman, Englishman, or German is said to be that thing.

  79. @KenH

    Fed prefers to go by “Kiko”. He also prefers to speak English with a Mexican accent, but it actual sounds more French.

  80. Lana Kane says:

    The fact-check was about asylum, not citizenship.

    I don’t know the correct answer to your question, but in the Latin American country where I live (a but further south than Senor Reed) it is widely rumored that the U.S. military recruits outside U.S. borders (particularly in Colombia) in exchange for citizenship. The U.S. military recruiting websites say they do not do this (the U.S. military also says it does not have a drug problem and spends your tax money wisely, so your mileage may vary).

    As far as I know, the only legal immigrant visas are fiancee and family reunification. There are also quite a lot of non-immigrant visa categories, which can get you in the United States with the proper documentation . One of the things I don’t think that Fred mentioned in any of his paeans to life in “Paradise” is the culture of corruption that still exists in many of these countries; the aforementioned documentation is not hard to come by if you know the right lawyer. Not everybody down here will take a bribe (the opinions of various keyboard anthropologists notwithstanding), but it is not that hard to find someone who knows someone…you know the drill.

    • Replies: @republic
  81. KenH says:

    I voted for him to win the war, not squander vast resources on inconsequential battles.

    Upholding the law on children of illegal aliens is not “squandering vast resources on inconsequential battles”. The left is now crowing how they punked Trump over this issue. Little things like this issue are a big deal to the left which is why they’ve won hundreds if not thousands of these small battles which is how they’re winning the war.

    This is yet another graceful defeat and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory that Republicans are known for.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Ozymandias
  82. @William Pierce

    In terms of hypocrisy Dems in the US are on par with European politicians, way ahead of everybody else on Earth.

  83. @KenH

    Due to hypocrisy and corruption the Dems have lost the battle in 2016, remember? Americans are not as dumb as the elites would like them to be.

    • Replies: @KenH
  84. republic says:
    @Lana Kane

    After the fall of the USSR many ethnic Russians got fake papers proving that they had some Jewish
    ancestry thus given them the right to return to Israel, thus many people living in Israel are not actually Jewish.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Dan Hayes
  85. @republic

    In the early 1990s it cost no more than $100 to get a letter from a rabbi in Russia saying that you were born to a Jewish mother personally known to him. The funniest thing is, those Israelis treated these letters as genuine. As they say in the US, there is a sucker born every minute.

  86. @KenH

    “The left is now crowing how they punked Trump over this issue.”

    Is there some particular reason I would give a flying rat’s ass what the left is crowing about? You might, but I don’t. They made a rather typical appeal to emotion, and now that move has been checked. Keep your eye on the prize.

    • Replies: @KenH
  87. KenH says:

    The the radical left/Dems don’t let electoral losses, presidential or other, stop them nor do they soul search and wring their hands like the feckless conservatives and Republicans do. In fact, they double down on their radical leftism and looks for ways and means to impose their nefarious agenda whereas Republicans wave the white flag and move to the left while claiming a moral victory.

  88. KenH says:

    Keep your eye on the prize.

    Oh, and just what prize would that be? Trump is willing to sign a path to citizenship for 1.8 million illegal aliens (more than twice Obama’s proposal) and not end chain migration for another 8-10 years giving us many millions more Democrats on arrival. All in exchange for a wall which will be pointless with 1.8 million “Dreamers” plus xx million more third world “legal” immigrants inside the gates.

    Trump hasn’t even demanded an end to birthright citizenship and supports mass third world immigration as long as it’s “merit based”.

    The “prize” that you’re so looking forward to is a big turd inside of a red box with a shiny bow on top.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  89. @KenH

    Ah, Ken, Ken, Ken. You’ve let yourself become trapped in the cuck mindset. “The left is crowing about blah, blah, blah.” What they should be crowing about is how they’re all up in your head. You’ve actually agreed to let them define the ter

  90. IvyMike says:

    For Trump on this issue it was, open mouth insert foot. Or perhaps he rented one of those contraptions that rewards turning the crank in a vigorous manner with an equally vigorous kick in the fundament from a boot cleverly connected to the crank with all all sorts camshafts and reduction gears…
    Build the wall, do it now, then keep on building because you can’t stop in Brownsville you’re going to have to wall off the coast at least as far as Georgia because the hundreds of thousands every year trekking across the desert are going to be even happier to go in a boat.

  91. Dan Hayes says:


    That may explain the (apocryphal ?) reports that many of the purportedly Jewish Russian refugees were crypto fascists.

  92. Dillinger says:

    He’s not gonna build the wall. If he hasn’t started it by now, he’s not going to do it. He’s waiting for a Democrat-led Congress to give him the excuse not to.

  93. Patricus says:

    Somehow Americans were able to eat pretty well before the tens of millions of illegal migrants entered the country.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  94. @Patricus

    Northern Rustbelt states like Michigan or Pennsylvania had problems unrelated to the Mestizo invasion, but I’d agree about the sun states.

  95. Anonymous [AKA "Bert."] says:

    “put signs in Mexican saying “caution—high voltage. Touch the metal wall and death follows. MUERTE, MUERTE.”

    Most of those Central Americans cannot speak or read Spanish.

  96. @Colin Wright

    Jews are autotheistic: they worship themselves.

  97. @Corvinus

    Yeah, that makes sense. One cannot legitimately proposes that something be done unless one is willing to do it himself. Including criminal investigations requiring enormous resources, as well as subpoena power. Yeah why isn’t he doing it himself!

    Maybe he should have to build the border wall himself, too, I mean he’s for it being done, right?

  98. Wally says:

    So what?

    I agree that the US should have stayed out, but then look at who the Central Americans put in power themselves. Look at the everyday behavior of Central Americans.

    Low IQ Central Americans simply get what they are.

    In every instance where blacks & browns are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents we see:
    massive murder rates
    massive crime in general
    degraded property
    massive disease, especially STDs
    massive drug & alcohol abuse
    general filth, squalor
    massive birthrates
    inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    massive youth pregnancies rates
    massive school dropout rates
    incredibly low IQs & test scores
    violence as a way of life
    fathers nowhere to be found

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