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Here’s something I did enjoy watching—as opposed to the Clinton/ Trump debate. It’s intelligent, instructive, and thought-provoking, and so the opposite of retail politics. It was balm on my wounded psyche, 84 minutes of sunlit good sense after a raging storm of gibberish—a panel held at the National Press Club (boo!) last week : Immigration and Less-Educated American Workers, organized by the Center for Immigration Studies.

The occasion for the panel: a new CIS report by Jason Richwine. [Report: Immigrants Replace Low-Skill Natives in the Workforce] Jason, you may recall, was the brilliant young quantitative analyst at the Heritage Foundation whose Harvard Ph.D. thesis had argued that when selecting immigrants for settlement in the U.S.A., IQ should be a factor. In 2013, in the wrangling over the Schumer-Rubio amnesty bill, CultMarx Central found out about the thesis. They ordered Heritage to fire Richwine, and Heritage of course obeyed. Honest quantitative analysis on issues relating to intelligence, race, and immigration is not wanted at Conservatism, Inc.

The whole panel is on video at the CIS site. They’ve broken it into five separate video clips. First Steve Camarota, Director of Research at CIS, gives a three-minute introduction. Then Jason does a brief presentation of his paper, seventeen minutes.

Then fourteen minutes from Amy Wax, one of the smartest people in the social-commentary business today.

How smart is she? Well, she started out in the academy as a microbiologist, got an M.D. from Harvard Medical School; then switched to law, got a J.D. from Columbia, and is now a law professor at U. Penn. Then twelve minutes from Charles Murray, the great quantitative sociologist.

Finally came a Q&A session with a mostly-friendly audience, 39 minutes.

There are a couple of mentions of your humble servant in there. The more striking of them came from Charles Murray, who brought up an exchange we had back in my days at National Review.

I had posted a December 2006 column titled “Libertarianism in One Country,” exploring the territory where libertarianism meets immigration policy. I argued in fact that libertarianism refuses to meet immigration policy i n any honest way, blithely assuming that mass immigration from the Third World will help the libertarian cause, when the evidence suggests that it would, in fact, burn libertarianism to the ground:

Charles Murray’s 1997 book What It Means to Be a Libertarian mentions immigration just once—to apologize for not having mentioned it!

Readers of my column emailed in to ask what Charles Murray’s current views on immigration policy were—this is ten years ago, remember. Knowing that Murray followed the National Review blog, I invited him to tell us. He did, and I posted his reply.

What’s my position on immigration? Well, since apparently someone asked (and I have never published anything on immigration), here goes.

Regarding illegal immigration:

  1. Making laws about who gets to become a citizen, under what circumstances, is a legitimate function of the state.
  2. Protecting borders is a legitimate function of the state.
  3. Enforcing the law is a central function of the state.
  4. Immigration reform must begin first with enforcement of existing immigration law. If it takes a wal l, so be it.
  5. And while I’m at it, I’ll mention that English should be the only language in which public school classes are taught (except for teaching English as a foreign language) and in which the public’s business is conducted.

Regarding legal immigration:

  1. Immigration is one of the main reasons–I’m guessing the main reason apart from our constitution–that we have remained a vital, dynamic culture, but immigration of a particular sort: Self-selection whereby people come here for opportunity. That self-selection process used to apply to everyone. It still applies to the engineers and computer programmers and entrepreneurs who come here from abroad, but it is diluted for low-job-skill workers by the many economic benefits of just being in the United States. Most low-job-skill immigrants work very hard. But Milton Friedman was right: You can’t have both open immigration and a welfare state. The tension between the two is inescapable.
  2. Massive immigration of legal low-skill workers is problematic for many reasons, and some of them have to do with human capital. Yes, mean IQ does vary by ethnic group, and IQ tends to be below average in low-job-skill populations. One can grant all the ways in which smart people coming from Latin American or African countries are low-job-skill because they have been deprived of opportunity, and still be forced to accept the statistical tendencies. The empirical record established by scholars such as George Borjas at Harvard cannot be wished away.
  3. I am not impressed by worries about losing America’s Anglo-European identity. Some of the most American people I know are immigrants from other parts of the world. And I’d a hell of a lot rather live in a Little Vietnam or a Little Guatemala neighborhood, even if I couldn’t read the store signs, than in many white-bread communities I can think of.
  4. When it comes to the nitty-gritty, I would get rid of reuniting-families provisions, get rid of the you’re-a-citizen-if-you’re-born-here rule, and make immigrants ineligible for all benefits and social services except public education for their children. Everybody who immigrates has to be on a citizenship track (no guest workers). And I would endorse a literacy requirement. Having those measures in place, my other criteria for getting permission to immigrate would be fairly loose. Just having to get through the bureaucratic hoops will go a long way toward reinstalling a useful self-selection process. But, to go back to basics: None of this works unless illegal immigration is effectively ended.

I suppose other libertarians will disagree, but I don’t see a single item in this approach that runs against the principles of classical liberalism.

Charles Murray

Murray started off by mentioning that—then told us that he had not at the time, in 2006, said anything about changing the laws on low-skilled immigration.

But Murray told us, he has since been doing some hard thinking—mostly in the past year or so, and mainly because of Donald Trump; although Murray insisted that there is still no way on earth he could ever vote for Trump as President.

The result of Murray’s thinking was, he tells us, acceptance of a simple fact:

Clip: The citizens of a nation owe something to each other that is over and above our general obligations to our fellow human beings. That there is a sense in which we should take care of our own; “our own” in this case meaning Americans—native Americans, in the real sense of that term.

In other words, Murray’s natural and instinctive patriotism, his love of America, which he has often expressed, has inched over, or is inching over, to, or towards, what we here at call National Conservatism.

I hope I’m not misrepresenting Dr. Murray here. By all means watch the video for yourself and make your own deduction.

If so, that’s a very welcome shift. Charles Murray is one of our most rigorous and influential social scientists. I don’t really anticipate he’ll be publishing at any time soon, but to have him a few ticks closer to our positions on immigration is very encouraging.

I hope he’ll do some more rethinking on the issues of skilled immigration, which is a monstrous scam on our middle-class workers, and demographic replacement, which is destroying our social capital—a thing Murray implicitly acknowledges himself in the Q&A video.

The founder of the Christian religion promised us that “joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.” I don’t think Charles Murray’s epiphany really rises to that level, but it’s worthy of note none the less.

One small quibble: the discussion of low-skilled immigrants was all about low-skilled immigrants. Surely, you may say, that’s what it should be about, duh.

I beg to differ. Many of the things that were said about low-skilled immigrants—their agreeableness, willingness to work hard, reluctance to complain—apply to them only, not to their American-born children. A big tranche of the second and subsequent generations are as antisocial and unemployable as our native underclass. That always needs saying.

Then, just as I was shaping my quibble in words—my quibble, I mean, that none of the panelists mentioned this issue of the subsequent generations—Amy Wax did mention it, towards the end: around 24 minutes into the Q&A video.

So there went my quibble. I have no quibble. I am quibble-free. Well done to the guys at CIS for a fine presentation, well done to the panelists for their analytical efforts and lucid good sense.

And to Charles Murray, a qualified welcome to National Conservatism.


John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived

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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    F**k that little bitch Murray, Irving Kristol’s goy toy. He should spare us his bullshit and just stay put up in his Deliveranceland abode near WVA. I’m sure Trump doesn’t need the endorsement of an old white blowhard who is designated as a white nationalist by the SPLC.


  2. rw95 says:

    Again Derb, you want to go on about demographic displacement?

    Marrying a Chinese woman and having Eurasian children doesn’t help, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

    #white genocide
    #race traitor

  3. David says:

    First, John Derbyshire is a very likable man. He’s surely right that Murray has changed his position on immigration. “I think restrictions on low-skilled immigration is an idea whose time has come.” That makes it pretty clear. “A sea-change in the mood created by Donald Trump,” is wrong. Trumps’s listening to the mood and possibly legitimatizing it.

    I’ll just add that high skilled immigration could replace the American population entirely in a decade. I suspect restrictions on them is and idea that will also come soon.

    Is the “Darbyshire” pronunciation right? Both Murray and Wax use it.

    Jason Richwine could be fired just for the lack of points on his shirt collar. Otherwise, I like him. “They really don’t know what’s politically correct to say so you can really have a fun conversation with them,” he says. Ah, the old days when WASP’s could say whatever they want!

    Richwind’s using a Lenovo laptop, about the cheepest available. Clearly, getting fired had an impact on his income. Not a come-on, but he can vacation at my VT house anytime he wants. He’d have not just his own room, but his own building.

    Murray looks like a prosperous drunk but is a good off-the-cuff talker.

    CIS needs to kill the moving arrows on their screen graphics. Useless, stupid and distracting.

  4. >Is the “Darbyshire” pronunciation right?


    >Richwind’s using a Lenovo laptop, about the cheepest available.

    No. The X1 Carbon Thinkpad costs more than a Macbook Pro Retina.

  5. jim jones says:

    Is the “Darbyshire” pronunciation right?

    That`s the way we say it in the UK

  6. Hail says: • Website

    How is Amy Wax allowed in academia?

  7. Evan says:

    It was me–I changed Charles Murray’s mind.

    Ok, not really. But I tried.

    • Agree: Hail
  8. AndrewR says:

    How many purebred Aryan Übermenschen have you brought into the world?

  9. @Evan

    I’m willing to give you the credit.

  10. Barnard says:

    I beg to differ. Many of the things that were said about low-skilled immigrants—their agreeableness, willingness to work hard, reluctance to complain—apply to them only, not to their American-born children.

    Does this still apply to low skilled, first generation immigrations? The younger ones seem much more likely to complain and are less likely to work hard than previous waves of immigrants. Are you referring strictly to legal immigrants and not refugees? I fear for what kinds of problems will develop because of the children of refugees.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  11. SteveM says:

    That it took Charles Murray so long to recognize the obvious proves yet again that a Harvard pedigree and 2 bucks should only buy him a cup of coffee.

    Only Murray is paid over \$300 Grand a year to perch portentously at that bastion of war-monger cronyism AEI. Must be nice to be handed that kind of stash for gas-bagging shallow redundant mind dumps that lag reality.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  12. Jeff77450 says:

    Mr. Derbyshire, great article and this is welcome news indeed. Both you and Charles Murray are on my list of thought-provoking, “When ‘X’ speaks, I listen” commentators.

    There are some others on my list who aren’t popular in some conservative circles these days, to include Jonah Goldberg and George Will, but hopefully after the elections are over and the dust has settled we’ll all collectively say, “It was all just one great big misunderstanding; ideological blood is thicker than water” and carry on; reminiscent of the British and the Americans eventually getting over their differences. –Jeff York writing from Houston, Texas

  13. Jeff77450 says:

    Your efforts are appreciated.

  14. Jeff77450 says:

    That was crass and uncalled for. North-east Asians and their progeny aren’t one of the groups that are causing problem in the U.S. or the West in general. An injection of median-106-IQ genes into the gene-pool isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @rw95
    , @sb
  15. Rehmat says:

    Immigrants not only have provided hardworking cheap source of labor but some of them have provided employment and entertainment to the White folks. Take for example Pakistan-born billionaire Shahid Khan, the owner of NFL Jaguar.

    • Replies: @Avery
  16. @Anonymous

    Why should is this vindictive scribbler be given the privilege of posting as Anonymous and also, if he chooses, contributing sober sounding comments as American Socrates or other regular handle?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  17. @Jeff77450

    His only crime is not propagating high IQ genes in and through more offspring.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  18. The only valid fix for the immigration “problem” is to stop all immigration, legal or illegal, for ten years, then re-evaluate. Enforce fines and prison terms for those who employ illegals — that will stop most of the influx in 90 days or less. Eject all H1B visa-holders, and their relatives, summarily. End birthright citizenship and void citizenship for existing children of illegals.

    Walls don’t work — never have. Punish the rich for breaking the law — that brings corruption to a screeching halt for at least a few years until they can rewrite the law-books again.

    • Replies: @Jeff
  19. @Wizard of Oz

    Why should is this vindictive scribbler be given the privilege of posting as Anonymous and also, if he chooses, contributing sober sounding comments as American Socrates or other regular handle?

    Why should anyone pay any attention to your whining?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  20. @SteveM

    That it took Charles Murray so long to recognize the obvious proves yet again that a Harvard pedigree and 2 bucks should only buy him a cup of coffee.

    Da. A watcher of how the wind blows deserves no credit for merely recognizing change.

  21. Avery says:

    {Take for example Pakistan-born billionaire Shahid Khan, the owner of NFL Jaguar.}

    Pakistani-born billionaire Shahid Khan left his Islamistan Pakistan Muslim paradise and a middle-class life to immigrate to the hated Christian West, populated by ‘White folks’, and live in Christian America, washing dishes for \$1.20 @ hour. No doubt the dirty dishes of White folks.

    The main reason he is a billionaire is because he immigrated to America, which was founded not by Muslims, but by Christians.

    Every immigrant that does well or great here is mainly because of the unmatched opportunities provided by a country that was founded by Christians, based on Western, European traditions and cultures, English common law, institutions of the Roman Republic, Greek democracy,…….

    Nothing whatsoever common with Islam.

    And White folks of Christian European ancestry created wealth, entertainment, and employment long before an immigrant from Pakistan showed up. If Christian ‘White folks’ had not provided the opportunity and employment to Muslim Shahid Khan here in Christian America, he would still be enjoying his glamorous middle-class life in his native Islamistan Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  22. rod1963 says:

    I lost all respect for Murray when he penned this nasty little article in the National Review:

    So Mr. Harvard graduate thinks a grifter and colossal incompetent like Hillary is a better deal eh? Says a lot about the man and none of it good.

    At this point in the game, it doesn’t matter where he stands or not endorses. He’s a nothing burger now. He sided with the establishment and elite for a place at their table just like George Will and Krauthammer did.

  23. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I suppose your consistency of style and content – albeit slight, for those of charitable disposition has to count as meritorious in the absence of any other evidences of merit.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  24. @Wizard of Oz

    I suppose your consistency of style and content – albeit slight, for those of charitable disposition has to count as meritorious in the absence of any other evidences of merit.

    Jawohl. That, and my supercilious amusement at your womanly bitching.

  25. utu says:

    Charles Murray?

    Never trust a social scientist’s science who uses his dabbling in science as a launch pad for his political advocacy career.

  26. Murray has proven himself to be detestable with his snide remarks about “white bread” communities. He should go live in the actual Viet Nam or Guatemala if he thinks those countries are so teriffic. He’s not much of a libertarian either. Is it that he is more malevolent or more moronic?

  27. Jeff says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    Kick out the H1Bs? Just think of all of the money that silicon valley would have to pay to replace them with Americans!

    We’ve had about 25 years of wage suppression that would suddenly get turned on its head… Even though I’m recently retired, I’d love to see that happen.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  28. rw95 says:

    Not my problem reality sucks.

    White + nonwhite=nonwhite.

    By this logic, the Derb is no better than the mudsharks the alt-right loves to hate, no? Or is “race treason” race treason only when it involves blacks?

    If you’re going to spew horseshit at least be consistent.

  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The angry posters in this thread are ridiculous and childish. So a man could not suppress his dislike of a person he finds very unlikable. So what? None of you have ever been unconsciously biased?

    He still got the main thing right enough on Trump:

  30. @Wizard of Oz

    Derb’s wife and daughter are Obama supporters. Doesn’t say much about them.
    He propagated offspring that are replacing whites.

  31. @rw95

    Excellent comment. Asians only copy. They did not create, invent what the West did. They are notorious cheats, so their exam scores need to be questioned.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @pyrrhus
  32. Art says:

    Charles Murray: I am not impressed by worries about losing America’s Anglo-European identity.

    I find this strange – why should we the American people want to give up our Christian European identity?

    What is so wrong with American Euro Christian culture? Has it not done well by world standards? Our culture of individuality and self-reliance has served us well.

    It appears that many of the South American people who come here do not like white Euro America. They gang vote against us. Is this not true?

    Don’t we have the human right to defend our way of life? Why can we not restrict these people who do not like us from coming to our land?


    • Replies: @neprof
  33. Joe Wong says:

    What did the West invented? The West even could not invented zero, they needed to steal it from the Arab then claim it as their own; You can see such stealing all over the Europe i.e. the West, in museums, palaces, cultures, etc. You should know claiming credit where credit is not due is not inventing, it is stealing.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Ivy
  34. Avery says:
    @Joe Wong

    {What did the West invented?The West even could not invented zero, they needed to steal it from the Arab then claim it as their own;}

    You are misinformed.
    Arabs did not invent Zero: Babylonians did.
    The so called ‘Arab’ numerals were invented by Indians (Hindu), who were most likely influenced by…….Babylonians.
    The West does not claim the invention of Zero.

    {What did the West invented?}

    The transistor. (America)
    The Integrated Circuit. (America).
    The PC.
    The LED.
    The cell phone.
    The smart phone.
    Steam power locomotion.
    The electric motor.
    Incandescent lighting. (Edison).
    Fluorescent lighting. (Tesla).
    A/C power generation (Tesla and others)
    D/C power generation (Edison).
    The jet engine. (Germans)
    The rocket. (V1,V2: Germans).
    The color TV.
    The internal combustion engine.
    The satellite. (USSR).
    The robotic exploration of space. (USSR: the Lonakhod).
    The LED
    Need I go on?

    Pretty much everything modern you use today in China was invented and/or developed by the West.

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
  35. Rehmat says:

    Nyeth moron – Shahid Khan came to the US to study engineering at age 16. Like your Jewish tribesmen, he didn’t steal American classified secrets for Israel or Russia.

    Shahid Khan is not Islamist – in fact he is married to one of your Judeo-Christian White American sisters.

    Hollywood’s Mr. Holocaust, Steven Spielberg’s film, “Bridge of Spies,” is not about Holocaust, but about the glorification of Russian Jewish spy, British-born Col. Rudolf Abel, and Jewish defense attorney James Donovan. Abel was released in exchange for CIA U-2 spy plane pilot Captain Gary Francis Power (d. 1977) in 1962.

    Film’s original script was written by Matthew Charman (Jewish) and later revised by Jewish brothers Joel and Ethan Cohen. Actor Tom Hanks play the part of attorney James Donovan, and David Mark Rylance is Rudolf Abel in the movie. The other actors include Alan Alda and Amy Ryan. The movie is due to be screened on October 16, 2015. Watch a short video below.

    Steven Spielberg’s last film was Lincoln, based on lies about Black people without mentioning the major role Jews played in African slavery.

    Former Republican Jewish Congressman Benjamin A. Gilman played a key role in Abel’s trade negotiations. Gilman is also credited with the release of Israeli citizen Miron Marcus held in Mozambique (Africa) for anti-state activities. Gilman’s other victories include release of Jacob Timmerman, a newspaper publisher from Argentina and David Chenoglaz, a gay Jew from Leningrad.

    Jews have always been major player in world espionage business considering they make less than 14 million within 7.3 trillion world population. However, most of the Jews in this business are not professional. Some work for greed and the rest work for their loyalty to the Tribe and the Zionist entity.

    In May 2014, Jeff Stein claimed at the Newsweek that Israel operates the largest espionage network in United States. However, only two Jewish spies, Ethal and Julius Rosenberg have been executed in the US since WWII. Jonathan Pollard spied for Jewish loyalty to Israel and greed. Ernest David Bergmann, the Father of Jewish nuclear bomb did it for the ‘love of Zion’. Lewis Strauss, chairman of Atomic Energy Commission in the 1950s, also did for the same reason. Dr. Zalman Shapiro, president NUMEC laboratory helped Mossad agents in transferring nuclear-grade enrich uranium to Israel (here).

    There is an excellent report, entitled, Strangers Among US, on American, British and Russian Jews involved in stealing classified secrets for foreign governments.

    • Replies: @Avery
  36. neprof says:

    “Therefore my immediate impression of the walls and gates was not contradicted by my consciousness of what came before and what came after that medieval period. It remained primarily a thing of walls and gates; a thing which the modern world does not perhaps understand so well as the medieval world. There is involved in it all that idea of definition which those who do not like it are fond of describing as dogma. A wall is like rule; and the gates are like the exceptions that prove the rule. The man making it has to decide where his rule will run and where his exception shall stand. He cannot have a city that is all gates any more than a house that is all windows; nor is it possible to have a law that consists entirely of liberties. ”

    G.K. Chesterton, in The New Jerusalem

  37. @Anonymous

    And what kind of blowhard are you? …shilling for the SPLC, you dirty little c ock sucker.

  38. Avery says:

    {Nyeth moron–Shahid Khan came to the US to study engineering at age 16. }

    If Islam is so great, why didn’t he stay in Islamistan Pakistan and study engineering under those great Muslim scholars?
    Why did he come to America to wash the dishes of thems ‘White folks’ ?

    And why are you still in ‘White folks’ Canada, shoveling pig s___ in the Canadian-bacon pig farm where you are gainfully employed, commensurate with your un-education and ability?
    Why don’t you go back and live with your Muslim brethren in highly advanced and prosperous Islamistan Pakistan?

    {Like your Jewish tribesmen,…}

    Sorry, senile IslamoFascsit moron, Jews are not my tribesmen.
    I am not Jewish, “not that there is anything wrong with it”….as Seinfeld used to say (he is Jewish).

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  39. AndyBoy says:

    Is there a reason intellectuals have to be 20 years behind the people?

  40. pyrrhus says:

    Indeed, both of those points are completely valid. The Asian “test prep” industry, which mainly involves stealing exam questions, is one of the bigger scams going.

  41. Ivy says:
    @Joe Wong

    Tiny Duck imitator, ineffective.

  42. @Avery

    The Internet
    The printing press

  43. sb says:

    My rule of thumb is that you can if you wish stay within the white tribe if you have a parent who is white.
    If we are honest it is a sad fact of the modern world that many white men have little choice in their mating options (not me of course )
    So in my view we must wait and see what the breeding habits of the Derb offspring turn out to be before we -or at least me -can make a definitive call on the Unbearable Whiteness of Derb .
    I’m not American which perhaps means that I don’t subscribe to the view that IQ trumps ( is that the right word ? ) all other human characteristics .

    • Replies: @Jeff77450
  44. Clyde says:

    But Murray told us, he has since been doing some hard thinking—mostly in the past year or so, and mainly because of Donald Trump; although Murray insisted that there is still no way on earth he could ever vote for Trump as President.

    The Donald has also radically changed the debate on free trade. In the last few months I have not seen anyone one defending NAFTA or our towering trade deficits. No one defending our China trade when Trump has been criticizing China for currency manipulation and unequal trade. Trump has mentioned our trade deficits many times and no one is out there justifying them, which I used to hear all the time.
    Trump has favorably altered the debate on immigration while he has done the same jiu-jitsu with so called free trade, and in an equal amount.

  45. Rehmat says:

    Well moron – Tell us if Islam is not so great why some Zionist rabbis praise it?

    Rabbi Baruch Efrati, a teacher at Yishva community school in the West Bank, says Jews around the world should be happy at turning Europe into a Muslim majority region.

    “With the help of G-d, the Gentile (non-Jewish) will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” said rabbi – reported by Israeli daily YNet News on November 11, 2012.

    “Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for hundreds of years we were in exile there,” said Rabbi Efrati quoting the Rishonim literature written by leading rabbis who lived in Europe during 11th to 15th centuries about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.

    “We will never forgive Europe’s Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly. Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity,” added the rabbi.

    Rabbi Efrati claimed that though Islam misjudges some of Biblical prophets – but basically Islam is an “honest religion”, for commanding modesty, stable marriage and more respect for G-d, as compared to Christianity which preaches idolatry.

    Rabbi’s quarrel with Islam’s view of Biblical prophets is that Holy Qur’an dismisses Bible’s narration of some prophets being rapists, sex-maniacs (King Solomon holding three-hundred of concubines in addition to 400 wives), adulterous and disrespectful to God and their parents (Lut, Jesus, etc.)…..

    • Replies: @Avery
  46. @Jeff

    Do you disagree that with Ron Unx anout the H1Bs being rorted by the outsourcers not the creative Silicon Valley companies?

  47. artichoke says:

    Combine this second-generation effect with our making of anchor babies into citizens (usually their parents stay here to raise them so they grow up as if “second generation”) and you have a recipe for maximum damage.

    It’s been done to us methodically. Fixing it, if possible, will require 100% control in Washington to scrap the current system and pass some shocking legislation.

  48. Avery says:

    {Well moron – Tell us if Islam is not so great why some Zionist rabbis praise it?}

    Well moron, if Islam is so great, why are you not living in Islamistan Pakistan, but are squatting in Christian Canada?

  49. There is nothing that can be done to ensure Caucasians remain the majority in any nation. Here is a parody I wrote regarding the Caucasian mentality:

    It’s 2100 CE, and the last Caucasian Alive is Being Interviewed by China

    China: Welcome to Planet China News Network, Andrew Richardson.

    Andrew: Thank you, it is good to be here.

    China: So, how does it feel to be the last Caucasian alive?

    Andrew: It feels like nothing: there is no such thing as race: we are just the human race: skin color means nothing. Race is just a social construct.

    China: Do you really believe this?

    Andrew: It is the truth.

    China: Okay. Then, how do you feel about being the last person with light pigmentation alive?

    Andrew: I could care less about such a superficial trait.

    China: How did the light pigmented people all die off, leaving you as the last one alive?

    Andrew: Well, since we light pigmented people knew that pigment is only superficial and means nothing, we decided to open the borders to unlimited immigrants. They ultimately united and killed us light pigmented people off. But we deserved it for all the racism we inflicted upon the world.

    China: So you feel that the world is better off with all the light pigmented people extinct?

    Andrew: Absolutely. Now, there will be no more racism in the world.

    China: Thank you for your time, Andrew.

    Andrew: Your welcome.

  50. Jeff77450 says:

    Thank you for commenting. I, personally, don’t like mixing the races but I don’t think that it should be illegal. “It’s a free country” and all that.

    One day my wife & I were discussing the relative attractiveness of the different races & ethnicities and their individual features–exactly why I don’t remember–and I opined that Caucasians objectively produce the most attractive people. She replied that she thought that the most attractive combination was Caucasian with a “dash of ethnic” and I readily agreed. My sons & I are blond/brown-haired, lite-blue-eyed “WASPs.” I’m an outlier in that when it comes to women I don’t prefer the stereotypical blond-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Nordic-look that so many men profess to crave. I prefer brunets and like I said, with a dash of ethnic in the mix. (In particular whites & Latinos can produce some stunningly good-looking women). I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of drop-dead gorgeous blond-haired, blued-eyed women.

    I have the views towards race & immigration that the Left considers to be racist and that I consider to be pragmatic and just “tellin’ it like it is.” (1) Both for the noblest of humanitarian reasons, but also for more pragmatic reasons, I wish that no one had been brought to America involuntarily (and thus we wouldn’t have the blacks). (2) The Spanish-American War was a completely unnecessary & contrived war-of-choice that we should not have started (and thus we wouldn’t have the Puerto Ricans and probably not the Cubans). (3) The Immigration Reform Act of 1965 was a fraud perpetrated on the American people and is largely responsible for the percentage of citizens that are foreign-born and green-card holders being at an all-time high (and that God-cursed Ted Kennedy is largely to blame). (4) On the topic of illegal immigration, God-cursed members of both parties have betrayed the American people and thrown us under the proverbial bus. (5) I voted for Ronald Reagan twice and admire him overall but giving amnesty to the illegals was, by any stretch of the imagination, a tragic mistake (that was obvious at the time) and had the effect of “blood in the water,” i.e. it sent a message to the world of “come on in, the water’s fine.”

    Societies that are homogenous tend to be harmonious. Japan & Finland are prime examples of this truth. Societies that are heterogeneous, i.e. diverse, tend to be chaotic. Examples include the Balkans at different times in history, Rwanda in 1994, Darfur in the 2000s, much of the Middle East and parts of Africa today and increasingly the U.K., the U.S. and parts of Europe. I whole-heartedly agree with the Derb that at least 90% of the population of a society should be a single homogenous group in order to keep things stable.

    What constitutes limited mating options is somewhat subjective but otherwise I agree.

    I certainly agree that IQ doesn’t trump all other human characteristics. A world populated solely by high-IQ narcissistic sociopaths would be a hellish place. There are so many (mental) attributes that conventional IQ tests don’t measure, e.g. judgment, maturity, objectivity, altruism and creativity, to name a few.

    IQ has been an interest of mine ever since I took the introductory psychology course my freshman year in 1979. I still remember the instructor’s name, Roland Miller. I remember him saying that their was no universally agreed upon definition of (human) intelligence/IQ. So I came up with my own: “(Human) intelligence is the sum-total of mental-attributes that contributes to our survival, in both the short- and the long-term, and to achieving a standard-of-living that rises above just surviving (in both the short- and the long-term).”

    We could poke all kinds of holes in that definition. Good hand-eye coordination no doubt contributes to our survival but is that a mental or a physical attribute or both? Is it “more intelligent” to focus solely on our own and our children’s success & well-being to the detriment of humanity in general–the “tragedy of the commons”–or is it more intelligent to engage in what is sometimes referred to as “enlightened self-interest” and work to promote humanity as a whole knowing that our descendants (our genes) far in the future will benefit (and knowing that we’ll be somewhat less prosperous in the hear-and now)? “Food for thought.”

  51. robt says:

    Victorian England had a realistic, if cynical, immigration policy. Having dominion over various countries and territories in the world, and being just a small country herself, the rule was that virtually no immigration to England was allowed from these territories. It wasn’t necessarily prejudice, it was just a numbers game. A relatively affluent country such as England would simply be overwhelmed by the virtually limitless influx of third world populations and survive.

  52. The bit about not needing to preserve the ‘Anglo-Saxon’ character of America is a sop to the thought police. Murray knows that just as some low-skill immigrants eventually become rocket scientists, so will some immigrants from Somalia eventually become America Firsters. But if you look at it statistically, immigrants from third-world societies are less likely to understand and embrace our values and habits.

    It needs to be admitted that:
    1. Our distinctive way of life is GOOD and deserves to be protected;
    2. That way of life is indeed disproportionately derived from British antecedents;
    3. Immigrant groups vary with respect to the likelihood that they will embrace #1.

    Politicians should be pressed to assent or dissent from these statements. That is how to make progress: You don’t tolerate fence-straddlers on issues where your view is popular enough (with voters, not intellectuals) to demand public proclamation of its hegemonic status.

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