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Adapted from the latest Radio Derb, available exclusively at VDARE.com

Health hysteria goes viral. There are screaming headlines all over.

So what is the body count here? Twenty-six as I write this; so far as I can gather, all of them in China, all or most in or near the central city of Wuhan.

Twenty-six dead? In a nation of 1.4 billion? It’s too bad for the loved ones of those twenty-six, of course. Send not to know For whom the bell tolls. There but for the grace of God, … and so on. Proper sympathy and respect. But … twenty-six? In Communist China? Prison guards in Tibet probably clubbed twenty-six Buddhist nuns to death over the same span of time.

So what accounts for all the hysteria? A number of things.

First of course there is the folk memory of great plagues in the past: the Black Death in 14th-century Europe, the Plague of Justinian eight hundred years earlier, which seems to have been even worse, and recurring similar but lesser events down into quite modern times —the great influenza pandemic that followed World War One, and killed more people than the war had.

Bear in mind, too, that “modern times” came later in China than in the West. My wife’s home town in Manchuria was the epicenter of the greatest-ever outbreak of pneumonic plague, a close relative of the Black Death. Tens of thousands died. That was in 1911. There must be people my age in that town who heard all about it from their parents.

All right, all right; but with today’s understandings of disease transmission, and today’s standards of public hygiene—yes, even in China, although perhaps not in San Francisco—is all the hysteria really justified?

My guess would be not. Michael Fumento, who knows this territory better than anyone—he’s the guy who debunked the myth of heterosexual AIDS in a book with that title thirty years ago—has a good scoff piece in today’s New York Post. [Don’t buy the media hype over the new China virus, January 23, 2020]

So, dim folk memories aside, why the hysteria? I think that so far as the Western world is concerned, we have caught it from China. The Chinese are hysterical about it and hysteria, like influenza, is contagious. That’s especially true in an age like ours: a hysterical age, with public media hungry for sensation, and the old human fascination for tales of world-wide catastrophe still strong—think of global warming.

But that just pushes the question back one square. Why are the Chinese so hysterical about it?

For clues, look back to the SARS panic of seventeen years ago. I got an interesting perspective on that event from reading a novel about it by Chinese dissident writer Hu Fayun. I not only read the novel, I reviewed it. Here’s a quote from my review:

SARS was much more a political than a medical event. Only a few hundred people died from the disease. As a character in the novel asks rhetorically: “With all the hundreds of millions of people in China, can you name a cause of death that doesn’t kill more people than SARS?” As that character also points out, though, the management of public panic over SARS offered both great dangers and great career opportunities to government officials, and that was always the aspect of the matter foremost in their minds.

You have to read that in the context of medical care in China, which is different from medical care in Western countries in important ways.

The one great truth about medical care everywhere is that supply can never meet demand. In the West we do our best to square the circle with pricing, waiting lists, taxes on employers, government-subsidized bogus “insurance” schemes, and so on—all pretty open, and as annoying and irrational as they are, everyone’s used to them.

The Chinese health-care system is more … Chinese. There are I am sure many kind and humane doctors in China doing their best for their patients. There are a lot of the other kind, too, though.

I have spent very little time in China these past twenty years, but the little time I’ve spent was enough to hear ordinary citizens express angry dislike of the medical profession on three or four occasions. Something like: “Doctors, those bastards …” Corruption is certainly quite common. The doctor will see you now … for a price—in cash, please.

Layered on top of this is the huge rise in expectations that has come up this past thirty years as a side consequence of China’s amazing economic advance. From a poor, cramped society up against Malthusian limits, with an unresponsive economy, China has quite suddenly been transformed into a more-or-less modern, Western-style consumer paradise, where middle-class people can buy all they need in free markets … except, of course, for the aforementioned reasons of supply and demand, in the matter of health-care.

So a widespread medical emergency gets citizens talking and thinking about one of the more unpopular features of their social and political system. That spooks the authorities. To re-quote from my review of Hu Fayun’s novel:

The management of public panic over SARS offered both great dangers and great career opportunities to government officials.

Hence all these strenuous efforts by the authorities to show how capably they can handle a crisis.

The totalitarian nature of Chinese society also promotes hysteria. China is not as totalitarian as it was thirty years ago; but news media are still firmly controlled by the Party, and old habits—habits of both the rulers and the ruled—die hard. Just as a bouncing ball ricochets faster and more energetically in a small space than in a large one, fears, panics, and hysteria bounce around in a closed or partly-closed society more than in an open one.

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It’s unfortunate, too, that this outbreak has happened in the run-up to Chinese New Year, when huge numbers of Chinese people are on the move to spend the New Year holiday with relatives in distant places. If you are Chinese, this is the time of year more than any other when you find yourself jammed in great crowds of strangers trying to get on trains, or buy tickets. Imagine being stuck in one of those throngs when some stranger an arm’s length away emits a loud sneeze. The Chinese word for “stampede,” in case you’re wondering, is 惊 逃.

And then I have darker suspicions. You don’t hear much about biological warfare research, and there is supposed to be a worldwide ban on it. I would not be astounded to learn, though, that the major powers have projects ongoing under deep secrecy.

I would especially be un-astounded to learn that China is doing bioweapons research. There is somewhat more awareness of the topic in China than here. ChiCom propaganda says that when Japan occupied northeast China back in the 1930s and 1940s, the Japs did biological warfare experiments on Chinese subjects. I have no idea whether this is true, though it might be; the point is that everyone in China has heard about it many many times.

If the ChiComs are doing biological warfare research and something nasty were to escape from one of their labs, they would be seriously embarrassed. They don’t like being embarrassed.

Stretching my suspicions a wee bit further, I wonder if perhaps someone in the Inner Party has read Irwin Shaw’s 1967 short story The Mannichon Solution.

If you read my monthly diaries you’ll recall that in the story, an industrial chemist accidentally discovers a substance that is instantly lethal to living creatures, but only yellow ones. One of the guy’s colleagues is Japanese. The story ends with this colleague placing an order with his lab supplier for a thousand white mice.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

 
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  1. I agree with you on the hype. Scaring people sells – that’s nothing new. However, I just came on here to give a story from personal knowledge that is particularly timely with the Coronavirus going around, very unfortunately right at New Years time*.

    A salesman of non-woven face masks, gowns, shoe coverings and that kind of thing filled me in on this: The factory there, a lean/mean non-government-run operation with about 10 office staff and 200 people who actually manufactured the items would sell within China and outside of China. Due to the boss’ unscrupulousness, when the made the masks for domestic sales, they would skip the material (and production step) of putting the layer of filter material in place among the material of the face masks. What that means is that the masks were pretty much worthless, except for compliance purposes.

    Now, for foreign sales, the boss knows that the Germans, for example**, would send a container of defective items (purposefully, BTW) back across the oceans. Many Chinese customers, at the wholesale level, that is, might not care, what with the good price, and others might.

    Unscrupulousness – it can result in death. As much as I detest Big-Biz all over the world, American small-businessmen, as compared to this small company in China, would not do something so evil.

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    * Knowing this website, I’m surprised there is not already a post up blaming said virus and the timing of it on Americans. I’ll look out for that …. not.

    ** Actual example. Then the container was held up for most of a year at the docks in Shenzhen, as the Chinese government does not encourage imports (see, they were under the impression that the shipments was imports rather than returned goods.)

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Thanks: Hail
  2. AWM says:

    A friend’s father who was a military pathologist was one of many who reviewed Japan’s Unit 731 after World War II and he visited the primary installation as well as satellite centers.

    He told his superiors “There is only evil here, burn it, burn it all.”
    They didn’t.

  3. TG says:

    I hear you. Why are we so upset about what – for now – appears to be such minor risk?

    1. Yes, right now this virus is a trivial cause of death in a nation of 1.4 billion, true. But. unlike traffic accidents, food poisoning etc., infectious diseases have the POTENTIAL to rapidly expand exponentially and slaughter god only know how many. The European Black Death, the Spanish Flu, these actually happened – and maybe not right now, but someday, things like that will happen again. Surely anxiety out of proportion to the CURRENT death toll is understandable.

    2. Our institutions are corrupt, our governing officials are serial liars with nothing but contempt for the average person and more and more people are getting that. So when the our establishment says there is no cause for alarm, can we blame the average person for having no confidence and assuming the worst?

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  4. Hail says: • Website

    I wonder if perhaps someone in the Inner Party has read Irwin Shaw’s 1967 short story The Mannichon Solution. […] in the story, an industrial chemist accidentally discovers a substance that is instantly lethal to living creatures, but only yellow ones.

    I’m certain I’ve heard serious reporting on this (race- or ethnic-targeted biological weapons research in/by China, specifically), in conspiracy-theory-friendly outlets, going back to the 2000s. (In other words, rather more serious than the mere premise of a sci-fi story.) Though not anything too recently that I can readily recall.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_bioweapon

    • Replies: @hecklin'high
  5. Biff says:

    The animal that created this virus is called THE MEDIA.

  6. Smith says:

    To put things into perspective, even the plague usually started with infection from one, then two persons, then four, then sixteen, then 64, and it goes on and on.

    You should pay attention into the R-0 rate and the incubation period.

  7. Dumbo says:

    What do you expect from people who eat BAT SOUP and FRIED DOG?

    Who torture bears and lead rhinos to extinction to produce some weird “medicine” or aphrodysiac?

    I’m sorry, but in terms of food and the cold way they treat animals, the Chinese are VERY different from us. No wonder most diseases come either from Asia or from Africa.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Disagree: JohnPlywood
  8. Hey Derbyshire, let’s just wait & see, OK?
    This disease is contagious, human to human like any flu/cold like virus. There’s potential there for a Spanish flu like event….
    Maybe it’ll be a flash in the pan — maybe not.

  9. Slave says:

    This is a terribly researched article, shame on this website.

    “Twenty-six dead? In a nation of 1.4 billion? It’s too bad for the loved ones of those twenty-six, of course. Send not to know For whom the bell tolls. There but for the grace of God, … and so on. Proper sympathy and respect. But … twenty-six? In Communist China? Prison guards in Tibet probably clubbed twenty-six Buddhist nuns to death over the same span of time.”

    At this point its nearly fact that China is underrating the numbers by a huge factor. In Wuhan alone conservative estimates on the low end are 5 – 10k, 100k on the upper end. If you havent even picked up on this, then the rest of this is journalistic garbage.

    • Replies: @Anon
  10. Kali says:

    This report is from 2015, but does shed a little light on the nature, restrictions and, crucially, exemptions on this kind of research:

    Baric’s study on the SHC014-chimeric coronavirus began before the moratorium was announced, and the NIH allowed it to proceed during a review process, which eventually led to the conclusion that the work did not fall under the new restrictions, Baric told Nature. But some researchers, like Wain-Hobson, disagree with that decision.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

    Kali.

  11. They don’t call it “going viral” for nothing.

  12. @TG

    VACCINES CAUSED 1918 “SPANISH FLU” WHICH KILLED MILLIONS.

    “It was a common expression during the war that “more soldiers were killed by vaccine shots than by shots from enemy guns.”–E. McBean

    “The 1918 ‘Spanish Flu’ started in American military Camp Funston, Fort Riley, USA, amongst troops making ready for W.W.I – taking on board vaccinations, recruit training and all. It eventually killed about 40,000,000 people worldwide. That flu strain only appeared briefly once again, according to the US Atlanta CDC. This was in 1976 and again it struck at the US army camp Fort Dix, USA, amongst recently vaccinated troops (and no one else EVER); Fort Dix is known to have been a vaccine trial centre. Was the world’s greatest ‘influenza’ scourge another well-hidden vaccine disaster?”—John P Heptonstall.
    https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/vaccines-caused-1918-spanish-flu-which-killed-millions/

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  13. Vinnie O says:

    Read up on Japanese Army Unit 731 in Manchuria. Experimental subject, who were referred to as “logs”, were not only exposed to all kinds of diseases in an effort to develop simple and effective battlefield biological weapons, they were also systematically burned or frozen and then confined without treatment to see how long it would take them to die.

    And because there was some question about whether Caucasians might react differently than Chinese, the Japanese injected diseased serum into American POWs captured in the Philippines.

    Although the US knew about Unit 731, after the war US intelligence and military agencies declined to charge ANY Japanese with war crimes and instead were REALLY interested in Japanese “progress” in developing bio weapons and, once the war in Korea kicked off, the US Army was VERY interested in Japanese documentation in how long it took a man’s fingers to rot and fall off after his hand was soaked in water and then exposed to freezing temperatures. Etc., etc. It ain’t a fun book to read.

  14. @Dumbo

    56 ethnic groups in China. Saying Chinese is like saying American. Do all Americans eat chitlins and collards?

    • Replies: @Feric Jaggar
  15. melpol says:

    People over 65 have weak immune systems. a global epidemic with a strong virus strain would wipe out every elderly person on the planet. The words Grandma or Grandpa would cease to exist and nursing homes would close for lack of customers. Those that find the elderly an eyesore would be happy that they were gone. Elderly people are not needed, the eskimos use them as animal feed. The greatest contribution and old person can make is leaving behind big bucks upon their death.

  16. Realist says:

    America Catches Coronavirus Panic

    Exactly another Chicken Little/the world is ending story.

  17. @Achmed E. Newman

    * Knowing this website, I’m surprised there is not already a post up blaming said virus and the timing of it on Americans. I’ll look out for that …. not.

    No, but when the world was in panic over the HIV virus after it was detected in US what did Americans do to contain it? Did they quarantine San Francisco, or the entire USA, or the affected populations, or even a single HIV infected individual?

    Oh, and German and French blood banks were happy to sell their defective products to the Third World even when they knew the blood was infected with HIV from junkie and homo donors.

    Americans are no good example of how to deal with containing epidemics if we trace the history of HIV/AIDS proliferation around the globe from some homo bath-houses in San Francisco. Thanks, but no thanks – Americans!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  18. MEH 0910 says:

    hbd chick Retweeted:

  19. @Commentator Mike

    Mike, the HIV came over from Africa, and, in fact, was supposedly pinned down on a specific individual, as far as the transport from there to N. America goes (I say “supposedly”, just because I’m far from any expert on this). It was a homo-sexual flight attendant that brought the virus into Toronto, causing it to spread around the US too. Go figure!

    Yes, and go figure on San Francisco too. Who’da thought that a city know for its drug tolerance, gay pride, and gay bathhouses would be the new center of an epidemic that transmitted via anal sex and intravenous drug use. There was no reason for the non-gay non-heroin-addict world to BE in a panic, Mike.

    To answer your points:

    1) You say the French and Germans sold infected blood to the 3rd world? Deliberately? Provide me a link.

    2) Even as late as the early 1980s and even in California, there were still sane people in local government that would have been in favor of shutting down the bathhouses, containing the heroin junkies, and that sort of thing.

    The problem is that the Globo-homo agenda was in full swing already. “No”, we were told, “AID affects everybody – we are all the same in this virus’ eyes!” Most people with common sense, along with doctors, knew from our experience that this was all lies to fit the narrative. I don’t know anyone who had AIDS personally, and only 2rd hand have I heard of someone I knew who supposedly did – yes, the guy was gay.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Lugash
  20. Dutch Boy says:
    @BDS Always

    Just recently a media firestorm of hysteria got whipped up by a few measles cases at Disneyland with no deaths or sequelae. The media are financially dependent on ad dollars from Big Pharma and disease hysteria means vaccines which means big money. The Pharma corporations are also exempt from tort law for vaccine injuries.

  21. MEH 0910 says:

    Anatoly Karlin:

    • Replies: @Hail
  22. unit472 says:

    That cases are popping up everywhere seems to suggest that the number of people infected in China is far larger than official numbers indicate. If 1% of the population of, e.g. Wuhan are infected that would mean slightly over 100,000 infections in a city of 11 million. What are the odds that one of those people would happen to be on airplanes going to Seattle, Singapore, Australia, Russia, France etc?

    OTOH if 10 or 20% of the population of Wuhan are infected then the rapid dissemination of this virus makes sense.

  23. What are the odds that one of those people would happen to be on airplanes going to Seattle, Singapore, Australia, Russia, France etc?

    Pretty damn high. The Chinese people have some disposable income now, and they travel a lot. Out of 100,000, perhaps a thousand or two would travel abroad. All the customs/immigration people do is check for fever, as far as I’ve seen.

    BTW, I heard from a Chinese source that 200,000 or so Wuhanians had already left town for the New Year’s break before this quarantine was put into place. The thing is, this New Years 2 weeks or so is like America’s July 4th, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Thanksgiving break, and Christmas-New Year’s holidays all combined, Unit 472. If the whole family gets together only once per year, it WILL be during this time.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @unit472
  24. SafeNow says:

    When we look at the light from a star, we are seeing how the star existed millions of years ago. The same principle applies to assessing the status of this virus, with its 2-week incubation period. Add to that the uncertainty that derives from the untrustworthiness and incompetence of medical officials in China, and in the U.S. Travelers returning from China who have a fever will be cannily taking aspirin to reduce or even abolish it, thus evading quarantine. In sum, my risk assessment is: nobody knows. Consider stocking-up, right now, on non-perishable food, including pet food.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m going by memory from the news I followed at the time and I didn’t buy into the later revisionism about HIV origin. I remember that at first the cause was a “mystery” then they tried to blame it on Haitians having sex with pigs. When people didn’t buy into that they switched to blaming Africans having sex with chimps. No doubt there are many mysterious diseases in the African subcontinent, just as in the Indian subcontinent, but I really doubt they figured out exactly who and how brought that virus over, if it really originated in Africa. In the UK a later theory was that some seaman brought it over in the 60’s from Africa. I’m all for blaming blacks for what they deserve to be blamed for but I had the impression Americans were in a panic that they and their homos would get the blame so they tried to find a way to shift the blame on blacks who, being at the bottom of media control, had little chance to fight back against this defamation. There was even some black US scientist who claimed it originated in a US biolab. Anyway, whoever was around at the time and followed the epidemiological spread should have no doubt about where it spread from and who were the carriers. Rock Hudson was one of the first celebrities who caught it in those Cali bathhouses like so many others who then spread it outward.

    About the scandal of French and German blood banks knowingly spreading tainted product again I’m going from memory of what I read in the media in the pre- Internet days. If I come across any reference on www I’ll post it. There’s a lot I used to read in international, national and local papers that doesn’t seem to have been scanned into the www.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  26. Hail says: • Website
    @MEH 0910

    Anatoly Karlin responds to John Derbyshire:

    Surprised that as a mathematician Derb doesn’t seem to have an intuitive grasp of exponential dynamics with respect to pandemics, e.g. the 26 deaths he cites is already at 41. We are also just a bit more than a month into Corona and already at almost 20% of the total number of SARS cases ever.

    It would be very good if the “it will soon blow over” optimists were right but I have yet to hear a convincing argument. How exactly is it supposed to happen? I’m assuming it’s not going to become less contagious, because those strains would just get selected against. So the main hope is for a mutation that reduces mortality. A vaccine is at least many months away (then many more months for certification and large scale production), if it gets made at all.

    The comparisons with ebola are also off the mark. Ebola curtailed its own growth potential by killing most of its victims. And transmission was much harder, you’d basically need to vomit blood over someone to infect them. This made it much easier to control.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. Michael S says:

    Karlin linked to a study that estimated R0 as being close to 4, which is a big deal, if true, and does in fact make this different from SARS or any of the other hype stories.

    Question: is that number accurate? There are a lot of unknowns right now. These numbers are based on estimates upon estimates upon estimates.

    Meta-question: Were there also preliminary R0 estimates for SARS, which turned out to be much too high? SARS is the poster boy for overhyped pandemics, so if we don’t see early overestimates of the transmission rate for SARS, then we should take the Wuhan estimates more seriously.

    I’m still on the fence about transmission. Mortality estimates, in my estimation, are almost certainly high. We know that people with mild symptoms don’t seek treatment, and if transmission has so far been systematically under-reported, which it almost certainly has, then the mortality rate is also being systematically overestimated. 2-3% mortality is actually a pretty big deal if R0=4, considering that influenza is .002% with similar R0, and influenza kills a lot of people.

    The big question is the R0. Diseases with higher R0 are usually ones that we vaccinate for: Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Smallpox, Diphtheria, Pertussis. I refuse flu shots but I’m glad I got my MMR and Tdaps.

    The other big question is mutation. If it doesn’t mutate, or if the “deadly” form persists, then we can make a vaccine. If it does mutate, then it probably mutates to a form less deadly, because that’s what viruses do. Much hype is over the possibility of this mutating to something even more deadly but still equally contagious (almost impossible), or to several new strains that are only slightly less serious (let’s say, between 0.1% and 1% mortality) but also still highly transmissive. That is also very unlikely, but not impossible.

    I think what people are really afraid of is how it’s become virtually impossible to quarantine. Not this virus in particular, but contagions in general. We used to be a lot better at containment; today, a single outbreak in the middle of nowhere can lead to epidemics all over the world in a matter of days. We are really very badly prepared for a global pandemic. This probably isn’t that pandemic, but when are we going to get smarter about international travel, overcrowding, and careless dipshits who go into work sick and cough all over everyone? It feels like it’s only a matter of when and what, not if or how.

  28. This recent 2019-nCoV didn’t originate in Wuhan but in Frederick, Maryland (USAMRIID). This recent CoV is obviously a biological attack by CIA/Mossad/Western intelligence agencies. Just like the SARS-CoV biological attack in 2002 which was to neuter China and its opposition to the 2003 Iraq War.

    SARS virus was created in weapons lab: Russian scientist


    rediff.com News Desk | April 11, 2003 16:57 IST

    The virus of atypical pneumonia, better known as SARS, or Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, was created artificially, possibly as a bacteriological weapon, Sergei Kolesnikov, academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, told a press conference in the Siberian town of Irkutsk on Thursday, the Russian RIA Novosti news agency reported…

    …Nikolai Filatov, head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, told reporters he thought SARS was man-made because “there is no vaccine for the virus, its makeup is unclear, it has not been very widespread, and the population is not immune to it.”

    Later, Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of Russia’s Academy of Medicine, told a conference in the Siberian city of Irkutsk that the virus is a cocktail of mumps and measles, whose mix could never appear in nature. “We can only get that in a laboratory,” he said.

    Guo Liang, of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, said he had received several e-mails from friends who agreed with the Russian assessment. Some even claimed SARS was a U.S. ploy to distract China from the war in Iraq…

    https://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Outbreak-of-rumors-has-China-reeling-Conspiracy-2618397.php

    The coming Iran regime change war ratcheted up the covert war against China about a year ago. A lot of Chinese were caught off guard by the coordinated anti-China propaganda coming out of the West. They were caught totally flat-footed. The orchestrated sucker-punching propaganda about China engaging in genocide against the Uyghurs and comparing China to Nazi Germany resulted in no counterpunch. They take it stoically, just like when the U.S. targeted and bombed their embassy and killed Chinese government officials in ‘99 when China got in the way of U.S. Deep State goals.

    The Iran regime change war has been in the works for a while. The killing of Soulemani was just one of the first major preemptive strikes softening up resistance to all-out regime change war.

    China is getting in the way. And cozying up to Iran.

    China and Iran flesh out strategic partnership

    https://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/politics-economics/middle-east/2019/china-and-iran-flesh-out-strategic-partnership

    China’s Great Game in Iran
    Tehran needs a friend. Beijing may be a dangerous one.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/05/chinas-great-game-in-iran/

    The CIA has stepped up their covert war against China. From ratcheting up support and coordination of the Hong Kong protests to deluge of propaganda on the ‘yellow peril’ in the NYT. Now China is as bad as Nazi Germany. From official CIA/Deep State mouthpiece:

    In China, every day is Kristallnacht

    By Fred Hiatt
    Editorial page editor
    November 3, 2019

    In China, every day is Kristallnacht.

    Eighty-one years ago this week, in what is also known as the “Night of Broken Glass,” hundreds of synagogues and Jewish cemeteries in Nazi…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/03/china-every-day-is-kristallnacht/?arc404=true

    Won’t be long before the Iran regime change war is in full-swing.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Hail
  29. MEH 0910 says:

    Siberian Fox Retweeted:


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  30. Prison guards in Tibet probably clubbed twenty-six Buddhist nuns to death over the same span of time?? Get a grip! That’s another atrocity story from our very own Radio Free Asia, confector of ‘bad China’ stories since 1972. In real life, China treated its Tibetan Buddhists even better than it treated all its other millions of religionists. There was no Chinese Waco.

    The totalitarian nature of Chinese society also promotes hysteria?? Seriously? Where else but in an totalitarian country does the leader have the sole power to:
    * Declare war. Frequently.
    * Issue 300,000 national security letters (administrative subpoenas with gag orders that enjoin recipients from ever divulging they’ve been served);
    * Control information at all times under his National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions.
    * Torture, kidnap and kill anyone, anywhere, at will.
    * Secretly ban 50,000 citizens from flying–and refusing to explain why.
    * Imprison 2,000,000 citizens without trial.
    * Execute 1,000 citizens each year prior to arrest.
    * Kill 1,000 foreign civilians every day since 1951
    * Massacre its own men, women and children for their beliefs
    * Assassinate its own citizens abroad, for their beliefs.
    * What leader saw his country’s military dropping 26,171 bombs in one year? That works out at every day of that year, the country’s military dropped 72 bombs, or 3 bombs every hour, 24 hours a day, according to the Council on Foreign Relations. He was a Nobel Peace Prize winner? Barack Obama. That same year, 2016, special operators from the United States could be found in 70 percent of the world’s nations.

    Totalitarian America, not China, is a scandal and a shame to humanity.

    ChiCom propaganda says that when Japan occupied northeast China back in the 1930s and 1940s, the Japs did biological warfare experiments on Chinese subjects? No, Sir Josephs Needham’s Report of the International Scientific Commission for the Investigation of Facts Concerning Bacteriological Warfare in Korea and China (ISC report) published at the height of the Korean War, validated claims by North Korea and China that the US had launched bacteriological warfare (biological warfare, BW) attacks against both troops and civilian targets in those two countries over a period of months in 1952.

    This 667 page truth commission report has the dubious distinction of being the most vilified written document of the 20th Century. The report’s release in September 1952 brought a withering international attack. It was roundly denounced by American and British politicians of the highest rank, ridiculed by four star generals, accused of fraud by celebrated pundits, misquoted by notable scientists, and scorned by a compliant Western press. Charges were made against the quality and truthfulness of its science, its unstated political agenda, the ethics of interviewing captured US POW pilots, and its authors were publically flayed as communist dupes. The report was red baited in the US and deemed unpatriotic to read, and therefore went unread and deliberately forgotten over the years, which has been the fate of Korean War history in general. In subsequent decades, volumes placed in American university library collections were quietly and permanently removed from circulation. When the rare copy came up for auction, it was discretely purchased and disappeared from public view. This critical 67 year old document from the Korean War was slipping towards oblivion. For these very reasons, historians and truth seekers should exalt the wondrous rebirth of the ISC report from near extinction with the publication of a new electronic edition.

    We will soon welcome the sunshine that re-publication of the report brings to a shadowy and suppressed chapter of Cold War American history, probably here on Unz, once Amazon bans it.

  31. @Hail

    LOL. You try to assert that China develops biological weapons in general and weapons in specific that target particular ethnicities. But then cite an article whose evidence all points to the West as the one that’s doing all the abominable evil.

    Really high-octane ROFL, LMAO.

    But wait, you’re actually on point though to some degree, China IS killing people with bioweapons like Lyme disease. Here’s some evidence:

    Bitten: The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42117387-bitten

    Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government’s Secret Germ Laboratory

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/385040.Lab_257

    OOPS, sorry, I think I made a mistake here. THAT WAS ACTUALLY AMERICA.

    . . .

    Oh, by the way, the U.S./West used bioweapons on Korea during the Korean War. And in the early 70’s had spread African Swine Flu in Cuba.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Hail
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  32. @Godfree Roberts

    … aaaand, here come the ChiComs. Did you leave that iron rice bowl out on the porch again, Mr. Derbyshire?

    Hey, Mr. Godfree, I left a link-bomb comment under your latest column, right here. Peak Stupidity is anti-Commie, but not anti-China. On China we call out the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  33. Hail says: • Website
    @hecklin'high

    It is a link to an obscure wikipedia page and thus to a kind of group blog with various malcontents pushing their pet thing. Take it or leave it. The concept is the important thing, and that it has gotten more serious attention than a mere sci-fi story.

    I do not have links handy to the mentions I recall seeing in years past on China’s “race-specific biological weapon” research. I expect other big players might have conducted similar research.

    The mentions I recall hearing were concurrent with the Crazy Conspiracy Theory that the US government was spying on everyone’s phones; then, after Snowden, that one turned out to have all been true. There is sometimes truth in the conspiratorial fringe, but there is also a lot of chaff. Hard to separate.

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. A123 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Newman,

    Don’t waste your time or emotions on Godfree. Mr. Roberts is a paid operative of the PRC establishment. There is no human soul in there to reason with. Only the PRC party line.

    Usually I can understand why Mr. Unz picks contributors, even though I disagree with many of them.

    In this case…… I don’t get it.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, Hail, Bubba
    • Troll: d dan
  35. Hail says: • Website
    @F. X. O’Flaherty

    obviously a biological attack by CIA/Mossad/Western intelligence agencies

    The CIA has stepped up their covert war against China. From ratcheting up support and coordination of the Hong Kong protests to deluge of propaganda on the ‘yellow peril’ in the NYT

    Agree: Godfree Roberts

    Thanks (or no thanks) for this evidence-free claim, which amounts to blood libel.

    Whoever you are, it is wild accusations like this that start deadly ethnic riots in places like India (on the small scale) and inter-state wars (large scale). Have some dignity.

  36. @melpol

    Elderly people are not needed, the eskimos use them as animal feed

    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senicide#Inuit

    The greatest contribution and old person can make is leaving behind big bucks upon their death.

    You’re a fool. The greatest contribution an old person can make is in teaching wisdom to the young.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  37. khanji48 says:

    calm down people, it is a typical way of capitalism making billions out of people’s misery….First Create a problem, let the problem go to its peak, then offer a solution, then solve the problem and becoming a messiah/hero while making billions out it….then…Repeat….there is nothing new here

    • Replies: @Kim
  38. @Joe Stalin

    I just read about the accusations for 1/2 hour or so on a few different sites. It’s hard for me to tell who’s lying. Joseph Needham is a guy I’ve read about before in The Man Who Loved China. As a Commie sympathizer himself, he’s not someone who I can trust in the matter. Read through this pdf, and see what you think, Joe.

    It’s not at all that I think the US government hasn’t done some nefarious stuff in the past, but the other sides in these conflicts were much better with propaganda. Some places on the internet are a world of lies.

  39. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “ .. but the other sides in these conflicts were much better with propaganda.”

    That’s a good boy. Uncle Sam loves you, too.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  40. @Achmed E. Newman

    Watch ‘Wormwood‘ and start from there. That’s the mini-series that investigates an assassination by the CIA of a US biochemist who was about to spill the beans.

    If that – and 2 or 3 hours subsequent research – does not convince you that the US definitely used bioweapons in Korea, you’re not dispassionate.

    At the end of Wormwood, Sy Hersh makes it clear that he knows that the CIA offed Olson, and why… but he won’t write it up because it would burn his source.

    The US also used bioweapons in VietNam: using defoliants that you already know will know cause birth defects, is the same as using a bioweapon. (Similarly, when US/NATO bombs water- and sewage-treatment infrastructure, they are deliberately targeting babies and the elderly by attempting to generate a huge increase in water-borne disease: protestations to the contrary are simply not credible).

    It remains to be seen if the US knew that DU munitions cause birth defects before they used a shit-ton of them on Iraq… but it seems ex post that they do.

  41. Achmed,

    The US carried out bioexperiments on its own citizens, such as injecting them with syphilis, so I can’t see that they’d have behaved better towards an enemy at war. OK, the victims of the Tuskegee experiment were blacks but it still doesn’t make it right.

    It still does nefarious things such as dumping nuclear waste in wars in the form of depleted uranium munitions. DU can only be disposed in specialised hazardous waste landfills according to US regulations yet they have the nerve to say it’s harmless when spread around the environment of foreign countries. And their NATO goons repeat the same with a straight face.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  42. MEH 0910 says:

    Steve Sailer Retweeted:


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @A123
  43. @Dumbo

    In the early 20th century all the behaviors you describe (including live boiling of dogs) were commonplace in the USA. Dog fighting, cock fighting and mass extermination of various animals (beaver, buffalo, mountain sheep, elk, etc) were also typical of the period 1850-1910.

    White people ate plenty of exotic animals most people consider “nasty” today, and there are plenty of pictures to prove it. One such example is the opossum, which nobody today outside of the South would eat, but which was commonly slaughtered in the streets and sold as far north as New York City.

    Street vendors selling opossum in NYC (1916):

    Baked opossum recipe:

    http://cannundrum.blogspot.com/2013/12/baked-opossum.html

    So in fact what you have is selective amnesia typical of a racist wimp, probably a female.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Dumbo
  44. Many know and speak of Robert Heinlein’s ‘Starship Troopers’ and it’s right-ist politics, but few recall his novel ‘The Sixth Column’ which features a sci-fi gun that kills only Asians.

  45. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    It is a link to an obscure wikipedia page and thus to a kind of group blog with various malcontents pushing their pet thing. Take it or leave it. The concept is the important thing, and that it has gotten more serious attention than a mere sci-fi story.

    Hold on, the post you were critical of referenced an article with two Russian scientists and a Chinese scientist giving a scientific basis why the prior SARS Coronavirus was likely a biological weapon and who/why had the means and motive.

    But now you argue it’s merely the concept that’s the important thing. Huh??

  46. @Jim Richard

    China is 92% Han. Can you imagine if America was 92% one ethnicity? Not one race, but one ethnicity.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  47. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    The bat soup photo quickly made its rounds on social media with a lot of bigoted comments about Chinese culture. Here’s a little more info on that picture with a link to the original post (in Chinese). Kind of does seem like the anti-China propaganda is being orchestrated by some Western interests.

    The video was made in 2016 … in PALAU, an island that’s closer to Australia than to China!!

    It’s a home-raised fruit-eating bat 🦇 & the soup is a local tradition

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  48. Anonymous[925] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Lol, Karlin, the social science* major who said in 2016 that he planned to devote himself to studying math if Hillary won. I’m sure Derb can learn a lot from AK…not! LMFAO!

    * i.e., “bullshit pseudoscience” as Taleb calls it

    • Troll: Hail, RadicalCenter
  49. RoyJ says:

    The Japanese bio warfare experiments was well documented in the book Unit 731. This was a lab based in Manchuria that primarily worked on weaponizing bubonic plague. They developed a sophisticated ceramic hollow ball delivery device that had pores in it to allow the infected fleas to breath and not escape. These were to be delivered via aircraft and would break on landing to infect the population. Experiments were carried out in the lab on Chinese and allied prisoners. They also carried out experiments on the same prisoners in vivisection and frostbite to use as a teaching tool for medics on how to do amputations without anesthesia. All this was covered up at the end of the war as Allied intelligence gathered up all the records and data to be analyzed for use by the US.

  50. @anonymous

    As I said, some place on the internet are a world of lies. When I see groups of the same commenters coming up with the same anti-everything-American for every post they get to, I understand they are part of that.

    I make an exception for people who write about more than one thing and don’t come off as biased from the get-go, meaning, Commenter Mike, Joe Stalin, and Mr. Krato.

  51. @Anon

    The bat soup photo quickly made its rounds on social media with a lot of bigoted comments about Chinese culture.

    Do you need another box of tissues, #119, for your feeeeeelings? Most Chinese people ought to learn to take some shit now and then, and not get buttsore about it like you. I don’t think the bat soup thing is American propaganda. It’s just Americans making light of some of the nasty stuff that people in SE China eat (I’d say Canton, mostly).

    How about we all agree not to eat bats and rats, at least until the SHTF, mmmkaaay? The President can eat anything he wants, as far as I’m concerned, as long as it’s during breaks from SECURING THE FREAKING BORDER!

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @Anon
  52. @Commentator Mike

    The depleted uranium rounds are used because with that element is 68% denser than lead. I agree it’s not harmless, but likely not due to radioactivity – with its extremely long half-life (over a billion years vs. a couple of weeks in the body) – but other poisonous effects.

    During wartime, that aspect of it, versus it’s suitability for high-kinetic-energy weapons is not the point. However, America did not vote for “wartime” in Serbia, Iraq, Libya, or any of these places, so I agree that it didn’t have to be like this.

    As for Tuskegee, that was a sad episode, but it doesn’t compare in scale or horror to the stuff the Japs did to prisoners during WWII.

    Did you read my link, Mike? Krato, I read your comment but have other things to do today, so I’ll look for that video (yes, I’ve heard about it).

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @A123
  53. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Instead of constantly bitching about a border wall why not just go back to Europe, interloping colonizer??

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  54. @Feric Jaggar

    Nonsense, China is not 92% Han. “Han” has about as much meaning as white at this point.
    And most importantly, few YOUNG people in China are even Han thanks to the 1 child policy!

    Between 2015 and 2025 the female population aged 24 to 29 years old will decline from 74 to 41 million. In general, the number of women of childbearing age (15-49 years old) is expected to fall by more than 39% over the next decade.

  55. Rich says:
    @Anon

    Is your name Cochise? The Europeans cleared, built and developed North America. Less than 1 million immigrants from Asia, known as Indians, inhabited the continental US before we got here.

  56. Lugash says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    HIV came to the western hemisphere through Haitian professionals(possibly just a single individual) coming back from the Congo. From Haiti it made it to the US through gay sex tourism or blood products.

    The homosexual flight attendant, Gaeten Dugas, was incorrectly identified as the original source of AIDS in North America. While he was one of the earliest carriers and spreaders, he wasn’t the sole source. He was also a vile person who continued to have sex even though he knew he was infected.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Hail
  57. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m well aware of Needham and his encyclopedic work on the history of science in China. Thanks for that link. I wasn’t aware of that paper so I’ll read it. Glancing at the abstract it seems the evidence is inconclusive or that he was hoaxed. Regardless of being a communist, his integrity as a researcher and expert seems unblemished. There are good honest scientists of all political persuasions, and if some are sometimes at fault it isn’t necessarily that their politics are the cause. On the other hand there are evil scientists like doctors who participate in those despicable experiments on humans and you can find such amongst all races and nations.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  58. Kim says:

    and if some are sometimes at fault it isn’t necessarily that their politics are the cause

    Politics are never the cause. All political and economic systems can in theory provide outcomes that are satisfactory. But they never do (and please let us not conflate the technical achievements of the oil age with the achievementsof its politics, which have been a monstrous disaster).

    The problem is human nature, and in particular sociopathy and psychopathy.

    Any system will produce good results – relative to its resources – if it is not run by sociopaths. And similarly any system run by sociopaths will fail.

    Thus – because it is sociopaths who are most dedicated to the pursuit of power and to wielding power over others, it is the uncorrectable human condition that all social systems will fail most people.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  59. Kim says:
    @khanji48

    it is a typical way of capitalism making billions out of people’s misery….

    “isms” don’t create misery. First, there is plenty of naturally occurring misery to go around and second, under all political and economic systems there are plenty of socipaths and psychopaths available to create extra misery.

    The communist/capitalist/libertarian blaming is ridiculous. The basic problem is humans.

  60. onebornfree says: • Website

    Did China Steal Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponize It?:

    “Last year a mysterious shipment was caught smuggling Coronavirus from Canada. It was traced to Chinese agents working at a Canadian lab. Subsequent investigation by GreatGameIndia linked the agents to Chinese Biological Warfare Program from where the virus is suspected to have leaked causing the Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak…..”:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

    Regards,onebornfree

  61. Hail says: • Website
    @Lugash

    Lugash’s comment here inspired me to do some reading on this subject, one I don’t know much about. I want to post my findings.

    ___________

    From what I can tell, the HIV virus transmission timeline into the US:

    First quarter of the 20th century: The HIV virus jumps from chimpanzees to humans somewhere in the eastern Congo, through one of two possible methods. One is through consumption of infected meat; the other I will leave to your imagination. The HIV virus lingers around Congo but does not spread internationally;

    June 1960: Congo independence; the Haitian government takes an immediate interest in promoting the cause of their racial brethren, Black Power and Black Solidarity; Haiti quickly sends hundreds of “teachers, professors, engineers, and doctors” to the Congo by late 1960 and 1961, with their main hub being Kinshaha, still then known as Leopoldville (the name given to it by its builders, the Belgians).

    Leopoldville was near the proposed epicenter of the epidemic-to-be, the site of the original transmission in the eastern Congo. In former times this kind of epidemic may have burned through a population and simply abated on its own, but this time it was destined to travel the globe.

    One or more of these hundreds of Haitians sent to independent Congo in 1960 and 1961 became infected, and after their time as advisers was up, traveled back to Haiti;

    Early 1960s: The first person-to-person transmission occurs in the Western Hemisphere, in Haiti;

    – Not later than 1966: The first person-to-person transmission occurs in the United States, via an infected Haitian. We can reconstruct this because the first AIDS death, a teenage gay black male prostitute, Robert Rayford (1953–1969), presented with quick-onset AIDS-like symptoms in early 1968 in St. Louis and died the next year. Whoever infected him probably infected others;

    [MORE]

    Meanwhile, by the early 1970s, the Gay movement, recently emerged, was consolidating in certain hotspots like San Francisco. It was distinguished by indiscriminate, often-anonymous sex in bathhouses and the like;

    By the 1980: AIDS (though not by that name) was an open secret among the Gay in-crowd, as so many of them were now getting rare cancers (“Gay Cancer”) for it to be coincidental; persons infected in the early 1970s were now being visited by the Reaper; the HIV Grim Reaper was turning young and virile Gays into the immune system equivalents of nonagenarians-in-poor-health, suggesting that Gay superspreading events began ca.1970 (as, if untreated, AIDS symptoms would present 5 to 10 years after HIV infection for most, with a small minority in as little as one year);

    ________________

    As for the Gay flight attendant Gaetan Dugas (1953–1984), he was hired by Air Canada in 1974, and for the next nine years he had sex with hundreds of different men a year across North America. He may have been infected by one of them during the first year or two of his Air Canada flight attendant career, in 1974 or 1975; he told investigators that he had had his first Gay sexual encounter in 1972, so his infection could even be as early as that.

    Gaetan Dugas showed AIDS symptoms by mid-1980, which suggests he was infected 5 to 10 years earlier, which aligns with his timelines of Gay sexual activity and the enormous net he cast after joining Air Canada. Unlike some who dropped off quickly, Dugas remained healthy enough to continue having regular and often-anonymous Gay sex, until some time about late 1983 when he became something like bedridden. Dugas had also been a frequent visitor to Gay bathhouses in New York City from ca. late 1980 (after his diagnosis) to 1983, whenever he was passing through.

    Dugas was linked to chains of HIV infections in Los Angeles and New York. He relocated to San Francisco in June 1982, where he continued to have gay sex; in SF, a group of vigilante Gays are said to have been shocked by Dugas’ indecency in continuing to have anonymous, gay sex despite his diagnosis. They ran him out of town about Dec. 1982 for continuing to spread the disease. He relocated to Vancouver, where close friends confronted him and demanded he stop having sex as there was already an understanding by this time that the disease was spread by sexual contact. Dugas flatly refused to stop having sex and apparently taunted those giving him such counsel. He was only stopped when too ill to get it going anymore, towards the end of 1983. (The above information on Dugas is from “Patient Zero,” Chicago Tribune, Nov. 1, 1987, by Randy Shilts; an excerpt from his book.).

    Gaetan Dugas was NOT the Patient Zero in the USA, though, it’s true. Various ways of testing this have confirmed it. Expressed in layman’s terms, “On the family tree of the virus, Dugas fell in the middle, not at the beginning,” according to Dr. Richard McKay who led a 2016 study on the matter.

    Yet Dugas WAS a monster. Just like no individual in the group of men assigned to a firing squad knows who, exactly, shot the fatal bullet, we cannot necessarily prove that Gaetan infected x number specific number of people who otherwise would not have been infected, but odds seem good he did infect many. He may, therefore, have personally killed quite a few young Gays (and non-Gays, indirectly). He is a symbol of the shocking, shameless nature of the Gay lifestyle of that time that allowed for HIV to spread in North America. But he was not Patient Zero.

    The true Patient Zero, in the sense of the first HIV case in North America, remains an unknown man (presumably a man; presumably a homosexual) who got infected via a Haitian in maybe 1963 or 1964, maybe as late as 1965. The black gay teen prostitute in St. Louis, Robert Rayford (1953–1969), looks to have been among the first wave infected, at age thirteen, with the infection event maybe in 1966.

    The curious thing about Rayford is that he was no Gaetan Dugas, no jetsetter. Rayford was an unworldly, untraveled black boy in St. Louis; so how did he come into contact with an early HIV carrier in America?

    The most plausible scenario is suggested by the fact that TWA’s main hub, at that time, happens to have been St. Louis. The Gay man who infected Robert Rayford in or about 1966 may therefore have been, like Gaetan Dugas, a male flight attendant (steward) several short steps from the original, or potentially even the very first. If one had a full list of Gay male flight attendants employed by TWA in the years 1965 and 1966, the true HIV Patient Zero in the USA might even be among those names.

    Trivia on TWA (wiki):

    In 1958, TWA became the first major airline to hire an African American flight attendant

    As for male flight attendants (or “stewards,” as they would have been called at that time), they seem to have been heavily Gay from the beginning. From “Male Stewardesses: Male Flight Attendants as a Queer Miscarriage of Justice,” by Phil Tielmeyer, Genders magazine, Issue 45 (2007):

    the steward encountered ever more homophobic ridicule, labeled as a man potentially interested sexually in other men. This notion was only solidified when an Eastern Airlines steward, William Simpson, was gunned down by two male prostitutes in a hookup-turned-robbery on Miami’s Lovers Lane in early August 1954.

    The author says many airlines stopped hiring male stewards, already a definite minority in their industry, after this bad-press incident in the mid-1950s, and the corps of flight attendants for the typical airline was very, very female by the early 1960s; if you google around for 1950s and 1960s airline stewards and stewardesses, most pictures are all-female. Here is one from a 1961 TWA advertisement appearing to show one male with three females. There were, then, some male flight attendants (stewards) hanging on, and starting in or about 1965 they would start to make a modest recovery with the help of a certain piece of legislation recently under discussion because of the Christopher Caldwell book attacking its legacy:

    The straight history, if you will, of the male flight attendant’s return to work can be told in a linear, clear-cut way, by referring to the legislative and judicial history of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act! Wow. And so we have come full circle.

    Whoever infected the black gay teen prostitute Robert Rayford in St. Louis, with the infection event occurring in 1966 by the above-proposed scenario, it’s hard to say, but a gay flight attendant (steward) looks likeliest, suggesting the Patient Zero theory on Gaetan Dugas, while wrong in the specific, was right in the general, that flight attendants were early superspreaders.

    Now imagine the counterfactual whereby there was no July 1964 Civil Rights Act and airlines could continue to discriminate to their heart’s content and only hire women; absolutely no Gays or no male stewards at all. How much less impact would HIV-AIDS have had by the 1980s? How many lives saved?

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @Commentator Mike
  62. @Achmed E. Newman

    Interesting PDF. Not something I’ve pursued (the YT videos were for the historical edification of readers) but the fact that most of the US confessors of Germ warfare recanted is enough for me to discount the report as standard war propaganda.

  63. @Anon

    What? I’ve got all my stuff here.

  64. Lugash says:
    @Hail

    Robert Rayford was the earliest recorded case but I’d suspect it’s one off, not the start of the mass infection that took place sometime in the 1970s.

    Haiti was a large exporter of blood products in the 1970s through a poorly run company called Hemo-Carribean, which amplified the spread of the virus. It was also a popular gay tourist destination at the time, and had a thriving child?) prostitution industry. This is the more likely path than 1960s flight attendants.

  65. @Hail

    I stopped following this ages ago but it seems they claim there are even earlier instances:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_early_HIV/AIDS_cases

    Anyway they now have bug chasing homos who deliberately seek it out or don’t care. And surely many are still knowingly spreading it like that Canadian flight attendant.

    Cuba had the best approach to containing it: anyone found to be HIV positive was sent to special colonies to live out the rest of their lives there isolated from the general population. But the way things are going over there, like everywhere else, I don’t know if they still practice this best approach.

  66. Dumbo says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Yes, but they are likely Eastern European Jews. And judging by your comments, you are either a black man or a whigger. Buh-bye.

  67. Dumbo says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Those are probably Eastern European Jews. And you’re a black man or a whigger. Bye.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  68. A123 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The depleted uranium rounds are used because with that element is 68% denser than lead. I agree it’s not harmless, but likely not due to radioactivity – with its extremely long half-life (over a billion years vs. a couple of weeks in the body) – but other poisonous effects.

    I will not say that heavy metal poisoning from Depleted Uranium is impossible. However, the risks are exaggerated by ‘Green’ activists pushing their anti-nuclear movement.

    Most of the harm incorrectly attributed to Depleted Uranium rounds are actually due to chemicals from the target vehicle. The noxious brew up when a destroyed enemy tank cooks off at high temperature.

    All battlefields wind up being somewhat toxic. It is the nature of mechanized/industral warfare.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  69. A123 says:
    @MEH 0910

    I hope everyone remembers the taco bowl incident from 2016. (1)

    The bat soup picture is a parody/photoshop.

    ⏫ TRUMP 2020⏫
    ______________

    (1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3575782/The-Donald-says-loves-Hispanics-abd-posts-photo-bragging-best-taco-bowls-Trump-Grill-celebrate-Cinco-Mayo-dish-not-menu.html

  70. Realist says:
    @Dumbo

    Chinese cruelty to animals is unforgivable. Anybody that does the things that Chinese do to animals are sick assholes.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  71. @Dumbo

    LMAO, no. They are visibly British. Jews don’t eat or slaughter clawed animals.
    Lots of rednecks in the South still eat opossum, though.

  72. “…the Japs did biological warfare experiments on Chinese subjects.”

    Jap(s): Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or ancestry.

    The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. The Chinks are an inferior Mongoloid ethnicity. Your sentence should have been written as:… the Japanese did biological warfare experiments on Chinks.”

    “China has quite suddenly been transformed into a more-or-less modern, Western-style consumer paradise, where middle-class people can buy all they need in free markets …” That’s not what my sister saw when she was in China a couple of years ago. She saw stupid, dirty, rude people in a country with a lot of pollution and garbage.

    I’m not worried about this virus. If it kills off millions of Chinese that will be a good thing.

    I’m worried about the Chinese who are stealing our technology and constantly trying to enter America illegally. This is what you need to write about.

  73. @A123

    LOL,

    Great then, go tell the USEPA to send all the DU to you for disposal in your back yard and no need for all those expenses required for specialised hazardous waste disposal. Perhaps you can sprinkle it on your food for good measure.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  74. 300,000 were able to escape the quarantine in Wuhan:

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5561

    Now they’ve blocked all the roads but people are fleeing on foot:

    OPERATION CORONA BIO-TERROR: Former FBI Agent with the Terrorism Task Force Posted Smuggled Photos and Videos of China Chaos
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5561

    Could it truly be biowarfare?

    WUHAN CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC BIOENGINEERED: Who’s behind it, why now and why China?
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5231

    And is it race-targetted against the yellow race?

    BIOWARFARE: Wuhan Coronavirus is likely another race-targeting bioweapon strategically unleashed throughout China by U.S. military labs
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5005

  75. @attilathehen

    LOL:

    Jap(s): Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or ancestry.

    So you’re now the PC police on UR?

    I prefer the therm “nip” and to see them nipped in the bud if they should ever try to move off their islands again for any purpose other than tourism. At least the inferior Chinks got rid of all the US bases and they had more during WWII (30) than Nips have Yank bases now (23).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airfields_of_the_United_States_Army_Air_Forces_in_China

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  76. @Commentator Mike

    “So you’re now the PC police on UR?” No.

    I just wanted to stick to Derbyshire. This degenerate is always scribbling and babbling about how Asians are smarter than whites. He then uses a slur for the Japanese but refuses to acknowledge the fact that the Japanese are the only smart Asians. The Chinese are dunces.

    I’m not worried about the Japanese ever invading any country. They are protecting their island and doing a very good job of it. They are not happy with many of the American bases because black soldiers commit crimes. They’ve been trying to get rid of some of the bases, but I don’t think D.C. will allow this. They’ve changed their Constitution so they can re-militarize if needed. Japan would be a formidable nuclear power in a matter of months if they decided to to build nuclear weapons. Maybe Trump will let them close some of the bases.

    • Replies: @BarryWorthington
  77. @Rex Little

    LOL Rex, and you don’t see many alley cats hanging outside Chinese restaurants … or not for long!

  78. OK, but no need to aggrandise the Japanese either: remember Fukashima. Everyone has had their disasters due to incompetence, poor planning, human error, cutting costs and corners, corruption, etc.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  79. @Commentator Mike

    I’m not aggrandizing the Japanese. They are not as smart as Caucasians. The Japanese became a modern, Western nation after Matthew Perry forced them to open their country to the West. Without this intervention, Japan would have been a feudal, medieval country. The Japanese are very good at copying and making improvements. They are not very good at inventing. Caucasians are the inventors.

    I give them credit for maintaining and preserving their first world country. We have to start doing this in the West.

  80. @Commentator Mike

    Its called depleted because the most highly radioactive elements have been removed for use in fuel rods, fissile material, etc. It’s the leftovers, and less radioactive than plain uranium.

    Everything in the universe is radioactive, including Earth, you, and all the food you eat. It’s a matter of degree.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  81. @Ozymandias

    Its called depleted because the most highly radioactive elements have been removed for use in fuel rods, fissile material, etc. It’s the leftovers, and less radioactive than plain uranium.

    Indeed it is so but nobody suggests that uranium ore, uranium mine tailings, or depleted uranium are to be dispersed throughout the environment without any controls, except the military disregarding the regulations. Results of studies on health effects are contradictory, yet

    Annex II to the Convention on the Physical Protection of Nuclear Material 1980 (which became operative on 8 February 1997) classifies DU as a category II nuclear material. Storage and transport rules are set down for that category which indicates that DU is considered sufficiently “hot” and dangerous to warrant these protections. (wikipedia)

    That would be low level nuclear waste and in US

    Why is depleted uranium considered a Class A low-level radioactive waste?

    The regulations at 10 CFR 61.55, “Waste Classification,” specify classes of low-level radioactive waste for near-surface disposal considering the longevity of the radionuclides contained in the waste. Disposal of Class A waste streams must meet minimum requirements while Classes B and C waste must meet more rigorous requirements to ensure stability of the waste and protect against inadvertent intrusion. Radioactive waste requiring disposal methods more stringent than those for Class C is not generally suited for near-surface disposal.

    https://www.nrc.gov/waste/llw-disposal/llw-pa/uw-streams/faq.html

    According to USEPA

    For purposes of disposal, DU is considered a low-level waste (LLW) and its disposal is subject to U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) regulations and appropriate DOE Orders

    So the only proper way to dispose of DU is:

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  82. @Godfree Roberts

    Hint: referring to religious people by the odd, unwieldy and negative-sounding term “religionists” isn’t the way to get a fair hearing for your ideas, whether your worship of the Chinese government system or anything else.

    You are right, though, about the authoritarian to totalitarian nature of the US government.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  83. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Well, at least when this punk gets old, we can show him a copy of his vicious comments about old people and he’ll gladly march off to extermination. Right?

  84. @Commentator Mike

    http://nuclearconnect.org/low-level-waste

    “Due to the low level of radiation emitted from this waste, it is easily handled and safely disposed of via shallow land burial.”

  85. nsa says:

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  86. @RadicalCenter

    I use the term deliberately to refer to people who believe in things without evidence.

    They are thus untrustworthy regardless of whether their belief is directed towards lizard people, the Occult Imam, or Russian intervention in our elections.

    Once someone believes in something, they’ll believe in anything. A pox on all of them.

  87. @Godfree Roberts

    “ChiCom propaganda says that when Japan occupied northeast China back in the 1930s and 1940s, the Japs did biological warfare experiments on Chinese subjects?”

    No, Sir Josephs Needham’s Report of the International Scientific Commission for the Investigation of Facts Concerning Bacteriological Warfare in Korea and China (ISC report) published at the height of the Korean War, validated claims by North Korea and China that the US had launched bacteriological warfare (biological warfare, BW) attacks against both troops and civilian targets in those two countries over a period of months in 1952.”

    You’re not responding to what Radical Center said.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  88. @Jane Plain

    I was responding to his categorizing the information as ‘Chicom propaganda.’

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  89. @Achmed E. Newman

    “I’ve got the fever-for more cowbell!” Bruce Dickinson

  90. @Godfree Roberts

    “I was responding to his categorizing the information as ‘Chicom propaganda.’”

    Dude.

    Radical Center wrote:

    “ChiCom propaganda says that when Japan occupied northeast China back in the 1930s and 1940s, the Japs did biological warfare experiments on Chinese subjects?”

    You wrote:

    ” No, Sir Josephs Needham’s Report of the International Scientific Commission for the Investigation of Facts Concerning Bacteriological Warfare in Korea and China (ISC report) published at the height of the Korean War, validated claims by North Korea and China that the US had launched bacteriological warfare (biological warfare, BW) attacks against both troops and civilian targets in those two countries over a period of months in 1952.”

    In plain English, Radical Center described a proven atrocity against your favorite people, the Chinese, but you went tits-over-ass crazy because he used the phrase “Chicom propaganda”, and responded by citing Needham’s report on a totally different war????

    It might have been smarter if you had just said that Japanese war crimes against the Chinese people are a proven war crime, and not ChiCom propaganda.

    I can’t trust anything you say.

    Goodbye and you’re welcome.

  91. @nsa

    mothel-in-law

    No, it’s “mothel-in-raw.

  92. China is a f’ing petri dish.

    My guess would be not. Michael Fumento, who knows this territory better than anyone—he’s the guy who debunked the myth of heterosexual AIDS in a book with that title thirty years ago—has a good scoff piece in today’s New York Post. [Don’t buy the media hype over the new China virus, January 23, 2020]

    Fumento hit it out of the park with AIDs. He was the only one with the balls to call it, but others were saying the same thing – just not out loud.

    The coronavirus is nothing like AIDs, which was very difficult to get, unless you were a hemophiliac. You practically had to work to get it. This is not like that.

    Fumento is on much shakier ground here.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  93. @attilathehen

    >The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians.

    They’re savages – they have absolutely no culture whatsoever which isn’t derived from the Middle Kingdom.

    Try cracking open a book sometime Attila – might do a fool like you some good.

  94. @attilathehen

    >The Chinese are dunces.

    Then why isn’t that you underperform them academically and economically? Really seems like this is something that sticks in your craw.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  95. @BarryWorthington

    From your comment no. 99, I can tell you are face-planted in Chinese poontang.

    China is a shithole.

  96. @Jane Plain

    You practically had to work to get it.

    uhhhh, I don’t think that’s what the homos called it … work, I mean …

    Anyway, thank you for the good comment in reply to Godfree Roberts. He missed his chance to defend some history of China because he couldn’t let the Commies be bad-mouthed by an actual not-very-deragotory phrase – “Chi-Coms”? What’s the problem, Roberts? I thought you liked Communism.

    Godfree Roberts is a guy born of American-Communist parents, who lives in SE Asia. This is possibly because the Chinese Central gov’t, having more common-sense than the US Feral Gov’t, won’t let him live there. Even they don’t like real Communists anymore.

  97. Yer welcome.

    This coronavirus thing looks bad.

    Even if it “only” disrupts China, in today’s economy, this is bad.

  98. @Godfree Roberts

    Cliff’s notes on every Godfree article, post, or comment:

    China has never done anything bad, ever. You’re racist against China if you think otherwise. The End.

  99. @Achmed E. Newman

    China is so great, Godfree doesn’t even live there.

  100. @Jane Plain

    Anyone want to bet that worldwide deaths from Coronavirus never amount to one day’s deaths from influenza?

    As Valerie Van Kerckhove observed, “I actually find the response by the Chinese government to be extremely interesting. It seems like it’s overblowing the matter on purpose. Considering the low number of cases (compared to China’s population) and low death rates, it feels like the Chinese government is overblowing fears on purpose, with maps filled with dark areas and shutting down everything everywhere (and this is during China’s most important holiday season).

    “I suspect it’s practicing for when a Really serious disease breaks out, the sort with people dying like flies. So I find all this fuss quite interesting. We’ve been warned about a potential superbug outbreak for years, and now we can see how the response will look like. No doubt the Chinese government is busy taking notes on what it could have done better.

    “Not to mention, I don’t think most Westerners realize just how big Wuhan is, just how significant Chinese New Year is in terms of people moving around and just how many people go in and out of those wet markets every day. That’s like, tens of thousands of people leaving the wet markets, taking public transport then going home to expose all their visiting relatives, and all those people in turn going to all sorts of crowded areas too. With a high enough contagion rate, we’d easily be at 1 million infected. The fact that we haven’t reached such numbers means that this virus isn’t That bad.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  101. @Godfree Roberts

    Anyone want to bet that worldwide deaths from Coronavirus never amount to one day’s deaths from influenza?

    I’m not a betting man, Godfree, and I wouldn’t take that one if I were. However, there are flu shots, you know. There are not Coronavirus shots yet, are there?

    I talked to my Chinese source who just told me that there is an article speaking of how many people that have died from this virus OUTSIDE a hospital are not counted in the Chi-Com government numbers. It may be a factor of 10, because unless the testing is done, of which there is not enough material(?) per hospital to do enough, they will not admit people for it.

    Now, the thing is that this we-chat articles has been prevented by we-chat (i.e. by the government) being retransmitted on this app. that damn near everybody there uses. Is that kind of strange, or what? Did you get said document? You are on we-chat, right?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  102. @Jane Plain

    Agreed, again, Jane. I was also told that the Chinese government is extremely worried about their economy, because their contact, both trading and human, with the rest of the world is so huge now. The American airline companies’ curtailment of their direct flights is not actually that big a deal*, except for the tourists and student-visa (overstayers). It might just be a good break.

    I wonder what Mr. Roberts thinks of the Chinese Government now, concerned with business over healthcare. OMG!

    .

    * I’d heard just under 12,000 flights yearly, but I believe the media who put that out is confused by code-sharing. That’d be 32 flights per day. Delta has one Atlanta-Shanghai, one Detroit-Shanghai, one Detroit-Peking, and 3, but maybe only 2 flights out of Seattle (they used to go direct to Hong Kong). American has flights to Shanghai and Peking from both Dallas and Chicago. United has flights from Chicago and San Francisco and maybe a Washington,FS flight or two. I think that’s all (hard to check just now, since they’ve been stopped). It seems like, at most, only 1/2 of the number I heard.

    Were they all full, that’s about 3-4 thousand people daily, each way.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  103. @Achmed E. Newman

    As I suspected, our media is making stuff up, like your anonymous Chinese source.

    Here’s a (non-anonymous) Chinese-American couple living in Wuhan, describing what’s happening:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  104. @Achmed E. Newman

    The Who advised against travel bans but America’s response supports my thesis that this is another biowarfare attack aimed at undermining China’s image in the world.

    It certainly has nothing to do with the seriousness of the disease.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  105. @Godfree Roberts

    Nope, my source has nothing whatsoever to do with the American Lyin’ press and is damn solid, especially when compared to youtube videos – last I checked you couldn’t even watch youtube videos in China – 2 years back. I could read the we-chat message myself if they didn’t use those stupid-ass characters.

  106. @Godfree Roberts

    The Who advised against …

    No, The Who advised against GETTING FOOLED AGAIN.

    It’s obvious, Godfree, that you’ve never listened to the advise of The Who. Here ya’ go:

  107. unit472 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually the ‘experts’ determined back on January 17th, the earliest data I can find, there were 41 confirmed cases in China and 3 abroad. The number of people from Wuhan airport traveling abroad per day was set at 3400.

    This is the baseline scenario I can find. It suggests that the infection level in Wuhan,as I suspected, was far higher than what the Chinese were prepared to admit..

  108. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slave

    Well I suppose to be anxiously literal minded and a would-be nit picker is some sort of substitute for having the brains to understand the points being made by a smart person like John Derbyshire.

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