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Having written posts on this blog for several years now, I have become ever more sensitive to how we, as news consumers, are subject to ideology – the invisible, shifting sands of our belief system.

Those beliefs are not inbuilt, of course. How could they be? We are not born with pre-loaded software like a computer – even if our mental “hardware” may shape what kind of information we are capable of processing and how we process it.

And whatever we may imagine, our belief system is not really self-generated, dictated by life-experiences. It isn’t only real-world events that determine our values and views. Events and experiences are interpreted and given meaning by those beliefs and values. Which is why it is quite possible – common, in fact – for us to hold contradictory beliefs at the same time: like worrying about the threat posed to our children’s future from climate change, while supporting political systems committed to building more roads and runways.

Psychologists have a term for this phenomenon: cognitive dissonance.

Rather, our ideological landscape is socially constructed and largely imposed on us from outside. Ideology frames experiences for us, adding a hidden layer of interpretation that encourages us to make sense of the world in useful ways. The most liberating question one can ask, therefore, is: to whom is any particular ideology useful?

Framing the world

We inherit much of our ideology from parents and teachers. But ideology is not static. It is adaptive. Our assumptions, beliefs and values subtly change over time. And they change as the needs of the powerful change.

The most powerful among us are powerful precisely because they create the dominant ideology – the thread of narrative that ties together what we imagine to be our personal understanding of why the world is as it is. That is why elites, whether the state or corporations, prioritise capturing the main channels of communication. They make sure to own and control the mass media.

When powerful external actors are framing the world for us – whether it be through broadcasting, newspapers or social media – they get to decide what matters, what should be prioritised, what is right.

That picture is particularly evident in the United States, where six corporations control almost everything the American public hears, sees and thinks – and, via Hollywood, much of what the rest of us think too. Even in the UK, where a trusted public broadcaster, the BBC, dominates much media output, the situation is little different. As the British state itself has been increasingly captured by a corporate elite, the BBC is run on its behalf. Just look at who has been appointed the BBC’s current chairman.

Limiting factors

The role of the corporate media is to subtly alter ideology – the way we see and think about the world – based on the most pressing needs of corporations as they pursue a consistent strategy of increasing profits and accumulating greater wealth.

The biggest limiting factor on what the media can make us, the public, believe and how quickly we can be made to think new thoughts is not physical reality. It is the risk that too sudden a shift in ideology will create too much cognitive dissonance, to the point where we can no longer sustain our belief system.

The breakdown of an ideological system can manifest at the private level in a range of emotional and mental health states, including anxiety and depression, as well as chronic illness. But that is of little concern to corporate elites. Such “conditions” can be medicated – and to great profit, when we can easily be encouraged to buy drugs for our disease (dis-ease) or to go on shopping sprees to make us “feel” happier.

The real problem is when the breakdown in the dominant belief system is shared widely – becomes collective – and threatens the elites’ continuing grip on power. That path leads to political upheaval and revolution, when facts suddenly appear to be no longer solid but dubious, or even nonsensical, ideological claims.

For hundreds of years, kings ruled Europe’s populations based on a supposed “divine right”. But that claim was no more preposterous than the current belief that our elites run so-called western civilisation based on an “economic right” – that through the survival of the economically fittest, they have risen to the top to guide our societies to a better, more efficient world in which we all ultimately prosper.

Apocalypse insurance

The insanity of our current economic reality is well illustrated by a new, self-serving ideological movement among the super-rich. Their emotional investment in their right to remain immensely wealthy is naturally much stronger than the investment of the rest of us in their staying rich. Which is one reason billionaires are capable of coping with much greater levels of cognitive dissonance when justifying the continuation of the current economic order.

The greatest ideological challenge facing the super-rich is imminent climate collapse: how to rationalise an economic system designed to satisfy their hunger for profit, and the continuation of their privilege, when it is so obviously causing that collapse.

Some have fled into ridiculous schoolboy fantasies – the billionaires’ equivalent of derangement. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are pouring money – while offsetting it against tax – into the escapism of space colonies, premised on the same technological exploitation and monetisation of nature that have been rapidly making our own planet uninhabitable.

Others are looking in more practical, if equally futile, directions. Reid Hoffman, the co-founder of LinkedIn, has estimated that half of his fellow billionaires in Silicon Valley have bought what he calls “apocalypse insurance”, investing in safe-haven islands and luxury underground bunkers. Fancifully, they imagine that this will be their life-belt when the planet’s climate system breaks down beyond repair.

Mankind’s ‘misstep’

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But even these approaches seem reasonable compared to another ideology the super-rich are coalescing around that has been labelled “longtermism”, an off-shoot of the “effective altruism” movement. As ever with language used by the powerful, reality is being inverted. The intention is to deceive – themselves as well as us. There is nothing long term or altruistic about this new cult. It is simply a rebranding of Gordon Gekko’s mantra “Greed is good”, even when that greed has been outed as suicidal.

Faced with a disastrous near-future for which they are supremely responsible, the super-rich wish to telescope our attention into the distant future – thousands and millions of years hence. By focusing on aeons ahead, they can distract from the immediate present. After all, they won’t be around to be blamed for what happens – if anything human is happening – 10 or 20 millennia hence.

One of their gurus is Nick Bostrom, an Oxford University philosopher, who has contributed an academic gloss to this new religion masquerading as rationalism. He argues that, seen from tens of thousands of years in the future, the looming climate catastrophe won’t seem such a big deal – it will look as important as the crimes of the Roman empire or Genghis Khan appear to us today.

The imminent suffering of millions or even billions of human beings from rising seawaters, wildfires, droughts and food shortages pales when compared to the survival of the few who will reseed the planet and wider universe with conscious life. With the expansion of technologies already under development (by the billionaires), there will be many, many trillions of future biological humans colonising the universe or digital equivalents living in a post-human world.

In Bostrom’s words: “The breakdown of global civilization is, from the perspective of humanity as a whole, a potentially recoverable setback”. Or as he puts it more bluntly, what is coming is “a giant massacre for man, a small misstep for mankind”.

Digital Supermen

For the billionaire class, this is soothing music to their ears. Altruism is not putting their enormous wealth to the service of fellow human beings or finding a path to a genuinely sustainable future. It is ensuring that a human elite survive the apocalypse: those with the deepest bunkers and the most remote, and elevated, islands. As long as they hoard their wealth to survive the storm, they will be able to continue into a new age in which human “potential” can be fully realised in the long term.

The rationalisation of longtermism amounts to this: If the steerage class is going to drown as the boat sinks, at least they can die happy in the knowledge that the first-class passengers – the greatest innovators and entrepreneurs, the billionaires – are in the lifeboats and ready to build afresh a better future for coming generations.

To think otherwise – to believe that the billionaires are part of the problem and that they must be required to become part of the solution – is small-minded and selfish. It stands in the way of progress. It risks preventing humanity’s survival by dragging everyone down, denying our species the chance of a glorious, technologically enhanced future we can only dream of now.

Bostrom argues too that, when measured against the moral imperative for humanity to unlock its full potential – for its development into a superior breed of Nietzschean digital Supermen – curbs on our current freedoms are justified. That could entail the development of more sophisticated global surveillance systems, greater authoritarianism and, if necessary, preemptive violence. It is hard to see what could not be justified on these grounds to ensure humanity’s “most deserving” survive the apocalypse.

Bostrom even hijacks a key concept of the environmental movement – that the planet’s resources are finite – to make the case for maintaining our current gross inequalities and reifying greed. If there are limited resources, they should not be “frittered away” on “feelgood projects” and philanthropy to save those about to reap the whirlwind of the very economic system – capitalism – that created the billionaire class. That would be to betray the survivors – the super-rich and a few lucky others – who will need those resources to create a new civilisation built on the ruins of the current one.

Billionaire’s burden

If this all sounds like a reinvention of old-fashioned colonialism with a new twist – the white man’s burden becomes the billionaire’s burden – that is because it springs from exactly the same ideological source.

Stated so bluntly, it may sound patently ridiculous – and dangerous – to those of us who are not super rich. But these ideas are already subtly permeating the wider culture through media narratives.

The long term success of the super rich in gaslighting us can be measured in the fact that billionaires are seen as fulfilling a legitimate, philanthropic role in our societies – so much so that they grow ever richer – rather than parasites leeching the planet of its resources. (Listen out for those so brainwashed that they eagerly rush to the defence of the billionaire class, not only accusing critics of envy but warning us off comparing anyone to parasites.)

During the first 16 months of mass suffering spurred by the pandemic, the world’s 2,690 billionaires increased their fortunes by \$5.5 trillion – hoarding more global wealth than they managed in the previous 15 years. And a large part of the reason for their accelerating enrichment is that western politicians and corporate lobbyists – now barely distinguishable – have made sure that the corporate class pays ever less tax. That this in itself has not provoked an uprising is down to our soma-fication by the corporate media.

But the indulgence of the super rich runs deeper, and is only made starker, by the report this week of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It warns that the effects of the manmade “climate crisis” on temperature rises and more extreme weather events are now “irreversible”, and that urgent action is needed to stop runaway overheating of the planet.

The billionaires own the media. So one can hardly be surprised that the IPCC’s warning that we are standing on the edge of a precipice writing our species’ suicide note rated second billing in many papers, while others frantically grasped for silver linings or attention-grabbing but mind-numbing “Code Red” headlines worthy of a Thomas Harris thriller.

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And, of course, even the IPCC avoided pointing the finger directly at the corporations and their obfuscating media for our dismal plight. It was a generalised, faceless “humanity” that was guilty: “Humanity, through its actions, or lack of action, has unequivocally overheated the planet.” That might come as a surprise to the Kalahari bushmen, or Aboriginal elders in Australia or many Bedouin tribes across the Middle East. Are they really as guilty as Bezos or Musk?

‘Astronaut’ consumers

The IPCC’s latest report received a more sympathetic assessment than the similar findings it produced in 2013, when much of the media felt the need to “balance” that report with counter-claims from climate “sceptics”. But that doubtless reflects the fact that the super rich are now far better positioned to profit from popular concerns about “climate change”. The billionaires have been investing in what they have persuaded us are green, planet-saving technologies. They have diversified their portfolios to monetise our fears. We are being persuaded that we can consume (more ethically) our way out of this “crisis”.

The signs that the IPCC’s deeper message is not getting through the media obfuscation are clear.

No one abhors Richard Branson and his rich “astronaut” customers for frittering away many millions on a few seconds in space when the oceans are choked with plastics, the insects are disappearing and burning forests are not storing but pouring carbon into the atmosphere.

Instead, the BBC reports uncritically Branson’s fairy-dust, ecological justification for the massive waste of resources – and addition of even more carbon to the atmosphere – jetting the wealthy into space:

Why shouldn’t they go to space? Space is extraordinary; the Universe is magnificent. I want people to be able to look back at our beautiful Earth and come home and work very hard to try to do magic to it to look after it.

Similarly, Bezos’ endless chatter about colonising space is treated seriously rather than greeted with the only rational response: revulsion. Both because Bezos is diverting attention away from a real-world crisis with a preposterous fantasy that, if he and his fellow billionaires get their way, no one will be around to benefit from; and because his ideas of space colonisation are either evidence of his desire to off-shore the rest of us into cylinders floating in space to become the human equivalent of battery chickens or, if his ambition is more limited, so that he and his retinue can flee the very planet he has played a key role in destroying.

Lightbulbs and cycling

But there are other ways the discourse around climate breakdown is being gradually manipulated to assist the super rich.

Over decades, the media’s interest in addressing climate breakdown has hewn closely to the corporate elite’s interest in it. First, the science – evident more than half a century ago, even to the fossil fuel companies – was ignored because it would be bad for business. Then, through the 2000s, environmental concern became a niche interest among more liberal media, which promoted cycling to work and energy-efficient lightbulbs to save the polar bears – actions that were the individual consumer’s responsibility. At the same time, the benefits of climate change were played up: warmer summers in temperate countries like the UK would mean new opportunities for growing wines and the staycation economy.

The corporate elites bought themselves time as their media arms ostentatiously disagreed over the seriousness of climate change and offered, at best, coverage that framed it as some distant crisis our grandchildren would have to deal with. By the time a stream of extreme weather events arrived in the here and now, and could no longer be dismissed as aberrations, the billionaires were ready. They had reinvented themselves as guardians of the future, having diversified into supposedly green technologies – technologies designed to continue and expand our planet-destroying consumerism rather than curb it.

Even some of the preferred responses of western states to the pandemic – socially distanced living, increasingly as digital beings online, combined with surveillance capitalism and increased powers for the police – disturbingly foreshadow the “longtermist” fantasies of the super rich. It is not simply conspiracy thinking to be wary of where ideological adaption may take us, especially when corporations control our means of communication and have the power to impose consensus by silencing anyone, even experts, who challenge the dominant ideology that serves the interests of the super rich.

The public discourse echoes the thinking of the billionaires in other ways. We have rushed headlong past the stage of a proper reckoning with the causes of the unfolding climate catastrophe to the global equivalent of the children’s game of musical chairs. If the super rich are pondering where to build their bunkers, and which islands to buy or planets to colonise, to escape the coming collapse, we are being conditioned to think in similarly deranged, if cut-price, terms. New studies are assessing the countries best placed to ride out climate catastrophe. The winners apparently will be New Zealand, Iceland, the UK, Ireland and Tasmania.

Four years ago the supposedly liberal Independent newspaper offered, with a straight face, an eco-porn travelogue article suggesting “25 places you should visit before they vanish from the face of the Earth”. Now, just a few years later, we are playing the reverse game: where can we hunker down most safely as the world vanishes? This is cognitive dissonance in over-drive.

Even when climate change is addressed in the so-called “liberal” corporate media, the language used corrupts our ability to think. We are told we must go on a “war footing” to deal with the crisis. Positive comparisons are made with the emergency response to the pandemic, as though the resource-depleting and polluting production of endless, disposable masks and plastic tubes for lateral flow-testing, and a new obsession with hygiene, offer some kind of model for a green revolution. And even the Green New Deal is promoted in terms of Roosevelt’s consumption-driven New Deal of the 1930s.

The reality is that we can save our species – assuming it can be saved at all at this late stage – only by radically transforming our societies: by ending inequality, by criminalising greed, by dispossessing billionaires, by nationalising corporations, by making economies and political systems far more localised, by introducing real democratic accountability, by abolishing the corporate media, by funding critical thinking in our education system, and much else.

These are the minimal and urgent preconditions for our species to adapt to a future in which we do not experience runaway global heating. And yet they are voiced nowhere in our political or media discourses. And for that we have the billionaires, and their bunker and space colony fantasies, to thank.

 
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  1. Patriot says:

    “The reality is that we can save our species – assuming it can be saved at all at this late stage – only by radically transforming our societies: by ending inequality, by criminalising greed, by dispossessing billionaires, by nationalising corporations, by making economies and political systems far more localised, by introducing real democratic accountability, by abolishing the corporate media, by funding critical thinking in our education system, and much else”

    THIS STATEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY, 100% WRONG.

    Virtually all environmental problems, including species loss, farmland loss, ocean dead zones, water depleation, and current planet heating are caused by one thing — too many people!

    It’s people who use resources and produce pollution. Electric cars, living Green, and recycling are useless if meanwhile our population doubles. All our current efforts treat only SYMPTOMS instead of CAUSES, and are thus ultimately useless. We can reduce ALL human-caused environmental problems by lowering population. Start by ending all immigration..

    Imagine what a beautiful state California would be with only 5 million people, instead of 40 million., instead of the dystopia it is today.

  2. Ron Unz says:

    Back in 2012 I published a short, skeptical column about Global Warming, and although I’ve never bothered investigating the topic in detail, nothing I’ve seen since has caused me to change my opinion:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/two-cheers-for-heresy-on-global-warming/

  3. “Start by ending all immigration.”

    This is certainly necessary condition for the survival of United States civil society in the near term, but very few of our politicians will ever support it. Consequently, all of the America we grew up in is doomed to swirl continuously down the drain toward a future presaged by California.

    But the misleading title of this article suggests it will discuss “where to ride out the climate apocalypse.” The author makes no recommendation, so I will — for Americans. Live east of the Mississippi River and north of the Mason-Dixon Line, close to reliable source of naturally occurring fresh water (e.g., the Great Lakes). Move out of the big city. Raise as much of your own food as you can. An earth-sheltered home is ideal, heated by passive solar and a wood-burning stove. Capture and store rain water. Try to reduce your dependence on electricity. Yes, become a “prepper,” but without the emphasis on going it alone — join with your neighbors to establish a survival oriented community for mutual support.

    We may have 20 or even 50 years before the worst of the climate apocalypse arrives, but it is surly coming.

    • Disagree: Jett Rucker
    • LOL: RoatanBill
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    , @Zarathustra
  4. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:

    Man-made global warming is a hoax. The natural environment on our planet is certainly in trouble since it’s experiencing massive, sustained, man-made poisonings and outright destruction but the CO2 scam is just a globohomo attempt to put the “little people” into tiny, windowless prison cells.

    The proof is in the fact that we have already figured out a way to drastically decrease CO2 levels in the atmosphere. I’ve lost the link but the study has shown that planting half a trillion trees across the globe would turn back the “doomsday” CO2 clock 100 years – to a time when most people didn’t even know that cars existed.

    It’s important to note that the study only counted completely unused land so what we have here is a perfectly natural, relatively cheap, low tech and ecosystem-friendly way to suck the “excess” CO2 from the atmosphere. It’s also important to note that the Globohomo’s alarmist narrative completely – and I really mean completely – relies on pretending that those CO2 levels are behind everything bad that’s coming our way. That’s literally at the heart of their propaganda.

    This study – probably not the first one of its kind – is completely ignored by the Globohomo apparatus and their media. That’s really all you need to know about this particular subject.

    • Agree: Zarathustra, Jett Rucker
    • Replies: @Miro23
  5. @Patriot

    You are clueless.

    The number one mankind created entity for destruction and waste is government. Get rid of it and those who want government and you will have a clean peaceful world.

    “those who want government” = those who consider other people their property.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  6. @Drapetomaniac

    A thousand years ago, fewer than a billion people walked the Earth. The world wasn’t peaceful and governments ruled most places. Humans shared the Earth with other large mammals.
    tinyurl.com/3y235w4j
    The sudden appearance of 7,000,000,000 extra people, at the same time as persistent chemicals and plastics, is damaging the world.

    • Agree: Decoy
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  7. kali says:

    Thank you, Jonathan Cook, for another very interesting article.

    I find this one particularly interesting because, whilst I disagree that climate change is caused by human activity or that “global warming” is caused /lead by atmospheric co2, and whilst I also disagree that we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic (unless it is a pandemic of fear leading to the widespread deployment of a toxic genetic bioweapon), on every other point you make I am in full agreement!

    So whilst I reject your premiss, I fully accept your conclusion.

    Many years ago, when I did believe that human activity was causing a climate change, and even campaigned to raise awareness of that issue, I recognised that the culprit was the economic stranglehold of corporate capitalism and the greed for wealth and power of a privileged class of people who otherwise cause so much environmental devastation beyond the “climate crisis” ideology their well paid scientists, UN agencies, NGOs, lobbies and think-tanks use to lambaste and subjugate the rest of the world.

    Now they add to that CO2 deception a “deadly pandemic” deception using those very same mechanisms described above to beat the public into submitting to a totalitarian technocratic one world corporatists jurisdiction and to mandate the use of what is very likely a population reducing bioweapon.

    Though, because we agree that the same agenda on the part of the global plutocracy to remain wealthy, powerful and relevant at all costs is driving us off a cliff, then at some point our solutions to deal with that central problem must converge: Eat (or hang) the (mega) rich (or launch them into space)!

    Kind regards,
    Kali.

  8. kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    At least on this we agree, Mr Unz.
    Though I do find it astonishing that whilst you recognise one massive global deception driving us in a wrong direction, you choose to look the other way when another much more immediate deception is perpetrated in real time and is driving us ever faster in that same direction!

    The article you link is one that had previously escaped my attention, so I´ll take a look at it now. Thank you for the link.

    Regards,
    Kali.

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  9. kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    Five minutes spent with Google uncovers a vast wealth of articles debunking or supporting [*1] these simple claims, with endless data and citations all around. Can I effectively judge these competing arguments? Certainly not, and a dozen or more years ago I would have assumed that establishment opinion was probably correct, with the near-unanimous verdict of elite-media sources outweighing a few scattered figures mostly drawn from the political fringe. But that was before the Iraqi WMDs. And Bernie Madoff. And the housing bubble, and so many other revealed hoaxes and scandals that have so totally undermined the credibility of our official sources in almost everything. Consider that one of the strongest private-sector backers of global warming had been the Enron Corporation, up until the moment that it collapsed in the largest corporate fraud in history.

    The tendency to attack dissent as heresy [*2] hardly engenders free and open debate. Just a couple of years after I read those Counterpunch columns, the New York Times Magazine ran a cover story on Freeman Dyson, one of the most brilliant physicists of his generation. He was labeled “The Civil Heretic” for his strong public skepticism on global warming theories. Given the recent track record of the Times and its peers, I’m half inclined to automatically favor the heretics.

    (My bold.)

    *1. 13 years later, it is no longer the case that “5 minutes spent on google ” reveals anything other than the “lock-step” party line of our global overlords, as revealed by your own deranking by that institution.

    *2. “The tendency to attack dissent as heresy [or “crackpottery”] hardly engenders free and open debate.”

    Dear Mr Unz,

    It is not my intent here to badger you, so I will say no more. I simply wish to highlight how your own thinking has changed when it comes to arguably the most important issue of our day, so that you might understand the alarm and dismay felt by so many of your readers when it comes to your position regarding the alleged covid pandemic.

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

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  10. TG says:

    Interesting thoughts – here is another angle.

    The rich are indeed crushing the non-rich into the ground. Mostly because of forced population growth. In 1900 the population of the Earth was about 2 billion. If it had bene left to stabilize at or near that number, we simply would not need to worry about ‘climate change’ or anything else like that, we would have plenty of food, etc. For example, we could be getting nearly all of our electricity from hydropower, a mature, stable, carbon-free technology with long-term energy storage and baseline plus surge capacity.

    But the rich have, by means direct and indirect, forced the global population up to about 8 billion and climbing – soon ten billion, probably beyond. Yes, that really is the result of policy.

    Anyhow: the rich need to find way to distract the lower classes from their coming dire poverty. “Systemic racism”, robots, and now “climate change”.

    In the long run, “climate change” may indeed be an issue, but right now virtually everything blamed on ‘climate change’ is not. For example, California in 1950 had a population of about 10 million. Due almost entirely to elite policy – which was typically done against the wished of the majority – the population of California has been quadrupled to nearly 40 million, and water is running short. The trend for precipitation is flat. So, the same amount of average precipitation per year, four times as many people – of course the dams are running low during off years! But we can’t mention population growth, no, let’s blame ‘climate change’ and ‘systemic racism’ and robots.

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  11. TG says:
    @Patriot

    Indeed. But the main reason for too many people is the policy of the rich to force population growth, to drive wages down and rents and profits up.

    As regards immigration: first, remember that the impact of immigration is not the number of immigrants, but the total increase in population due to immigration policy. Secondly, immigration does not just move people around, bit maximizes population growth: everyone escaping for a place like India or Pakistan etc. simply makes room for one more person to be conceived and born and raised to adulthood. Immigration maximizes global population growth.

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  12. @TG

    Mostly because of forced population growth

    How, exactly, does anyone force anyone else to procreate?

  13. Patriot says:
    @RoatanBill

    In all Western countries it’s by forced immigration by those in power.

    Note that for the last 100 yrs, polls in the USA have shown that American citizens wanted decreased immigration, by a considerable margin (~ 50% to 70%, depending on yr and poll). Hence, although the elites tell us that we have a democracy, we really don’t. They simply do whatever they want..

    Homework assignment: research which small, but powerful, super rich group in all Western nations has led the battle for massive immigration.

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  14. @Patriot

    I agree with your assessment, but you’re answering a different question. Please refer back to #11. That poster said :
    Mostly because of forced population growth. In 1900 the population of the Earth was about 2 billion. If it had been left to stabilize at or near that number, we simply would not need to worry about ‘climate change’ or anything else like that, we would have plenty of food, etc.

    He clearly means the birth rate, not immigration. So, my question still stands.

    • Replies: @Patriot
  15. Patriot says:
    @RoatanBill

    Sorry, you are correct. I didn’t read #11.

  16. Richard Sharp, boss of the unflinchingly Zionist BBC, is, of course, Jewish, although Wikipedia is very coy about it.

  17. @RoatanBill

    Poverty. Large families are seen as security.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  18. @TG

    The trend for precipitation in California is down. In the world as a whole it is deranged as the hydrological cycle is exacerbated, with longer and deeper droughts and greater and more frequent deluges and floods.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  19. @mulga mumblebrain

    Large families were seen as security and even essential in an agrarian society. The only places where that thinking may still apply are in 3rd world countries.

    Common sense should indicate that having another mouth to feed isn’t a good idea if you don’t have the resources to properly care for it. But that would take some intelligence and some impulse control that certain segments of the population lack.

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    , @TKK
    , @CelestiaQuesta
  20. Grog says:

    There is a recurring 12,000 year cycle that occurs when the Solar System crests the peak on one of the waves on the Galactic Current Sheet. The concentration of charged particles on the peak is what drives the extreme weather and plasma events. The finale is a radical change in the position of the North and South magnetic poles, which drives a crustal shift via inductance. Overwhelming evidence for these recurrent crustal shifts every 12,000 years was found by a US military geological survey in the arctic conducted by the 46th/72nd Reconnaissance Squadron in the 1940s (Project Nanook).

    Not so Fun Fact: we are in the midst of the latest 12,000 year cycle end. If you live long enough, you will see the high energy plasma formation known as Squatter Man in the sky yourself. Helpful Hint: when you do see the Squatter Man in the sky, head to the highest ground that you can as the Earth is getting close to tilting, which causes The Flood. Time and time again. Btw, all the rest of the planets in our Solar system are also having extreme weather changes/events. It is not just here on Earth and has nothing to do with human activities.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Thanks: Kali
  21. Cheap food that is easy to distribute and modern medicine are the reasons for the massive growth of human population.

    Consider: In America poor people are obese.

    Consider: Antibiotics and vaccines have taken killers like polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, rubella, smallpox and infections and rendered them impotent. In the early 1920’s President Coolidge lost his 16 year old son. The reason? An infected foot blister from playing tennis without wearing socks turned gangrenous and the otherwise strong and healthy 16 year old died of blood poisoning.

    The average age of death for Americans in the 1930’s when Social Security was set at age 65? 55.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  22. @Patriot

    One of the first resorts of Rightwing racists when faced with capitalism’s utter destructiveness is to blame human beings, the poor billions in fact. The Rightist Western greed-heads excess consumption is orders of magnitude more destructive than the subsistence consumption of the poor. The typical Rightwing misanthrope would rather billions of ‘useless eaters’ die than he give up one iota of his greedy excess.

  23. @Grog

    The lunatic faery stories concocted by denialists to continue their reality-denying idiocy are becoming ever more ludicrous. Of course they are invented by PR hacks employed by the fossil fuel industry and Rightwing organs, and they rely on a marked degree of fatuous stupidity and gullibility among the lumpen denialist detritus.

    • Troll: Kali
  24. @kali

    Heresy is fine and necessary, particularly in science which must be falsifiable, but you need evidence, not crackpot garbage invented by the fossil fuel industry and Rightwing ideologues.

    • Replies: @Kali
  25. Athena says:

    Excerpts from : Texas ‘Deep Freeze’: Urgent Climate Warning but Not How You Think

    on: http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO23Feb2021.php

    ”According to the US NASA, the planet just entered into a new solar cycle. They predict that the current 11 year solar cycle, known as Cycle 25, which began in 2020, “will be the weakest of the last 200 years.” If so that would put it in the time of what is known as the Dalton Minimum which went roughly from 1790 to 1830.”

    ”Zharkova’s group has linked the present minima to a drastic falloff in the sun’s internal magnetic field, a roughly 70% downswing in magnetic field intensity from its average value, arising from regular variations in behavior of the very hot plasma powering our sun. In other words we could be at the early phase of drastic changes in Earth climate lasting several decades. Zharkova’s research predicts that this Grand Solar Minimum period started in 2020, and expects it to last until about 2053.”

    ”A significant effect of a major or Grand Solar Minimum we are now entering is changes in the position of our Jet Stream. In periods of high solar activity the jet stream forms a relatively stable belt around the Northern Hemisphere on the level of southern Canada and Siberia, keeping severe winter cold contained. In solar minima such as now, the Jet Stream, instead of forming a stable ring, becomes highly irregular or wavy. That is what allowed the unprecedented Arctic cold as far south as Texas. This irregular and weak Jet Stream allows severe cold and snowfall in some areas and unusual warm pockets in places like Siberia, as well as unusually warm and dry or wet periods. As we advance deeper into the present Grand Solar Minimum by 2030 or so, physicists expect this “extreme” weather change to intensify.”

    ”Could it be that the Powers That Be behind the likes of Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab know well the coming solar minimum and the fact that this one is likely to be as bad or worse than the 1790-1830 Dalton Minimum? Does this explain their selection of the period 2030 to 2050 in the target for UN Agenda 2030? If the world is spending trillions and diverting precious resources to prepare for “zero carbon,” while the worst solar effects of the past 200 years or more unfold in events such as Texas and other parts of the world experience, it would be a diabolical way to accelerate their population reduction agenda as the world is caught unprepared for severe crop failure and mass famine.”

  26. @Athena

    What a load of garbage!! The latest denialist industry bull-dust! The derangement of the jet-stream has been going on for at least ten years, and is worsening, and is caused by the higher temperatures at the poles, particularly the Arctic. That increased temperatures at higher latitudes was predicted by Arrhenius in the 1890s. It allows cold Arctic air to make excursions further south, as the Polar Vortex that once trapped the cold in the far North, has weakened. As cold air rushes north, warmer air-flows into the Arctic, melting sea ice and the glaciers on Greenland and permafrost in the tundra. Congratulations on your fanatic psychopathy-you’ve helped exterminate your own (I presume) species. What an achievement.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  27. Treg says:
    @TG

    According to scientists such as the late Hans Rosling who studied where our population is going, our population will top out at about 11 billion and then begin a slow billion by billion decline to about 9 billion people.

    Why is that? What are the reasons?

    Well allow Hans to explain.

    In part 5 of a 6-part lecture, Hans Rosling uses statistics to give an overview of population growth and an explanation of why the total human population will never reach 11 billion, as others predict and fear.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  28. @Badger Down

    Nonsense. The cost of government day in the US is about halfway through the year and government produces virtually nothing of any value. Virtually ALL waste.

    The closest thing to good government does is to teach young chimpanzees to be woke citizens.

  29. Biff says:

    Good work Captain Cook!

  30. @Treg

    We won’t reach eleven billion because ecological collapse has proceeded so far, so fast, that a Great Cull is just around the corner. Either slowly, then more rapidly, as climate destabilisation destroys agriculture, driving mass migration, war and genocide, or quickly if a more lethal bio-weapon is released or nuclear war occurs. We’re a dead species walking, I’m afraid.

    • Replies: @R2b
  31. Kali says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You know, Mumblebrain, the very fiest thing I read which caused me to seriously doubt global warming theory was a book titled “Chill” by former Greenpeace scientific advisor Peter Taylor.

    Dr David Bellamy, formerly of BBC fame, has writen a review of the book.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249884059_Chill_A_Reassessment_of_Global_Warming_Theory

    In the meantime the very same globalist billionaire “philanthropists” behind plague alarmism are behind climate alarmism. Oh yeah, and Peak Oil suggests the interests of the fossil fuel industry lie elsewhere.

    I find it odd that on just about every topic I see you comnent on on this forum, it is only on climate change that you seem to be fooled.

    I wonder, if we were to metaphorically knock yours and Rons heads together would we manage to knock the plague out of his and the agw out of yours so that you might borh start making more complete sense. 😉

    Best,
    Kali.

  32. fredtard says:
    @Kali

    The book “Chill” was published in 2009. Every year since 2016 has been warmer than all years prior to 2016. The situation is rapidly evolving, and not in a favorable way. In 2020, we had a La Nina which coincided with a minimum in the ~11 year solar cycle, both of which tend to reduce global temps in a minor but measurable way. Even so, 2020 tied with 2016 (BIG El Nino year) as warmest on record.

    I’m pretty much at where MulMum is – a bit of an ecocatastrophist. Yeah, the elites are lying to us about climate change, but in the complete opposite way that you think they are. They’re pacifying, understating the risks, presumably so they can continue with a very profitable (for them) business-as-usual.

    But they know the score, the extreme fragile state of the biosphere. I see the whole plandemic control/depopulation event as a desperation move to hoard and preserve resources prior to imminent ecological collapse.

    I don’t think there’s anything we can do to reverse climate change though. The arctic methane genie is out of the bottle. Things won’t be pretty. A bit of schadenfreude is in order though; even the super wealthy will have serious tribulations. Who knows? Third-world peasants who walk to the well to water their yams might be the only survivors.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Kali
  33. @Ron Unz

    So, the nine years since being among the hottest twenty (all since 1998)ever recorded and 2016 and 2020 the hottest ever, have not made you ‘refine’ your opinions. The hottest ever month being the July just ended did not give you pause. The worldwide coral bleachings in many years since 2012 had no effect? The derangement of the jet-streams, the weakening over the AMOC and consequently the Gulf Stream, the increasing outflow from Antarctic ice-sheets, the record droughts, deluges, heat-waves, forest fires etc, have not brought about some reflection? Oh to be so immune to evidence!

    • Replies: @acementhead
    , @Badger Down
  34. @fredtard

    It has been plain to anyone with any nous that since at least 2000 the IPCC Reports, dumbed down in search of ‘consensus’ with retarded, Evil, polities like Austfailia, have erred on the optimistic side, even in their worst case scenarios. The latest Report is similar, despite the short-lived panic among the Meanswells, whereas the enemies of Life on Earth, the denialist ghouls, seem more ferociously demented than ever. We are so very fucked, anthropogenic global climate destabilisation being only one of our existential catastrophes, that it is almost funny. Nomo ‘sapiens sapiens’??? More ludicrous than ever!

  35. @Kali

    Kali, Goddess of Death, mother of Thugs-how appropriate. Have you never seen Bellamy being humiliated by Monbiot in 2005 when Bellamy regurgitated a lie by Singer that 90% of the Earth’s glaciers were expanding, not retreating. After Bellamy’s ignominious acceptance of his error, he withdrew from the climate debate, although he had fallen out of favour with many naturalist groups for his mendacious denialism. And, of course, you are typically simple-minded to assert that the involvement of globalist parasites in climate destabilisation debates, (you may have noticed them sticking their beaks into every human affair)somehow renders all the science and all the observations fraudulent. That is truly heroic stupidity and gullibility.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
    , @Kali
  36. Kali says:
    @fredtard

    Thanks for your reply Fred.

    Of course you know I disagree on warming (see, for eg, https://principia-scientific.com/july-set-the-record-for-doctored-noaa-temperatures-not-heat/ )
    But given that we generally recognise the same culprits and, very likely, the same (or similar) solutions, besides arguing about models, manipulation of data, etc, I’m not sure we have very much to disagree over. – Except that I’d suggest people head south to survive the coming chill. – I moved to Portugal from Britain a little over 6 years ago. Last winter was the only winter I’ve winessed prolonged frost here. It went on for two weeks where as usually we get no more than a day or two. As for spring, it arrived at lease 3-4 weeks later than usual (as a gardener that’s something that really stood out for me and everyone in the region).

    Regardless, I appreciate your perspective.

    Kind regards,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @fredtard
  37. fredtard says:
    @Kali

    Much in common, indeed. My garden gives me great joy. I’ve lived and planted in the Sierra foothills ~1250′ since 1990. Our weather over the last two years has been the complete opposite of yours in Portugal. Just sayin’, it’s hard to see the big picture from one vantage point.

    • Agree: Kali
  38. Thomasina says:
    @American Citizen

    “Cheap food that is easy to distribute and modern medicine are the reasons for the massive growth of human population.”

    Yes. A relative wanted to show me the grave of a famous historical person a few years back. As we were walking around trying to find it, I began to really look at the headstones: infants and toddlers as far as the eye could see, and they would have succumbed to the diseases you listed. It was very sad, so sad I had to leave. I will never forget that day.

    Plentiful cheap oil allowed for the production of cheap food. I agree with what TG said above: the policies of the Ruling Elite, often under the guise of “benevolence”, have been a major force in pushing population growth worldwide. Food aid and medicine to Africa has allowed their population to explode. The short-term-thinking elites are doing it for the money, and the short-term-thinking Africans are doing it because – well, they can. Food aid should be contingent on strict birth control measures put in place.

    Lastly, I would add cheap debt to the equation. This is being orchestrated by the Ruling Elite again. They are literally destroying the world as they don’t care about the “end” or the long-term consequences, only the skim.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  39. @mulga mumblebrain

    The trend for precipitation in California is down

    No it isn’t, just as the trend in Austfailure isn’t down. Tim Flannery is a dullard who couldn’t get in to a science degree course because he is too dumb. He caused ten Billion AUD to be wasted on unneeded desalination plants(3, Melbourne, Sydney And Brisbane). Due to this waste of resources a billion dollars was not spent on health care. Children have suffered and died because of this.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  40. @mulga mumblebrain

    One of the first resorts of Rightwing racists when faced with capitalism’s utter destructiveness is to blame human beings, the poor billions in fact.

    You misspelled productiveness. The poor in NZ Aus and US are covered with hundreds of billions of dollars of tattoos. They choose poverty because they are stupid. I know that they don’t choose to be stupid but they refuse to behave responsibly. Poverty is the result of their own choices not evil capitalists.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  41. @mulga mumblebrain

    Mulga you have zero understanding of meteorology(you probably think that know what a meteor is, but you’d be wrong, just like the vast majority of the population). Jet streams(there is no such thing as “the jet stream”) are not a cause; they are a result. If you read some Meteorology books you could find out what causes them.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  42. Mulga you should move to New Zealand because it has become a left-wing dictatorship. You’d love it here. Jacinda believes in the “Climate Emergency” just as you do.

    Mulga when did a Western government ever tell the truth about anything?

    Remember these.

    Babies thrown out of incubators.
    WMD
    Iran Air 655
    Sam Mendes
    Skripals
    Richard Jewel
    Steven Hatfill
    Bruce Ivins
    Covid19
    USS Liberty
    The Maine
    The Maddox

    But oh yeah they certainly wouldn’t lie about “Global Warming”, and all the following iterations, when the previous name wasn’t delivering the goods.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  43. @gar manarnar

    The chicken littles keep crying the sky is falling, yet it resolutely refuses to fall.

    Unz is right to be very skeptical.

    • Agree: Bubba, Jett Rucker
  44. @acementhead

    No jet stream? Tell that to bomber crews over Japan in 1944. The jet stream was the reason they went low with incendiaries. You are correct about the jet stream being a result, however, and generally are the divider between polar air and the air in warmer latitudes.

    • Replies: @acementhead
    , @Alfa158
  45. @acementhead

    I do love it when a real Dunning-Krugerite moron parades his cretinism as if it is great wisdom. All those elite lies that you list are completely irrelevant to climate science and the reality of rapid anthropogenic climate destabilisation. In that case it is not lying elites producing the science, but generations of tens of thousands of disinterested scientists, and the IRREFUTABLE evidence from reality is collected by instruments, created by technicians, on land, sea, sky and space. Were you born this thick, or did you have it thrust upon you as a rite of entry to some hard Right death-cult? Or are you just a fossil fuel industry troll?

    • Replies: @TKK
  46. @acementhead

    Ahh-I see. A hard Right misanthropic thug. No wonder you are working to exterminate humanity. Envy, is it? God your type are LOATHSOME. The one redeeming factor of Near Term Human Extinction is that your type will disappear from the cosmos.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  47. @acementhead

    A truly vicious hard Right thug, a typical denialist enemy of Life on Earth.

    • Replies: @Kali
  48. @Quartermaster

    Quartermaster you need to read more carefully. I write very precisely*. What I wrote was

    (there is no such thing as “the jet stream”)

    and that is correct “the jet stream” is singular. There are always multiple jet streams somewhere in the world. I have flown in hundreds of jet streams and seen thousands of aviation forecasts.

    Take a look; find “the jet stream”

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=-260.15,85.20,300/loc=99.850,88.640

    * I did once make an incorrect statement, in the B737 max topics. It was very late at night and I accidently wrote that the resultant force on an aerofoil is always at right angles to the cord. That is incorrect, and obviously so.

  49. Mulga the biosphere will last longer, because of the actions of mankind, than it otherwise would have. We, the fossil-fuel burning pilots, are helping to release carbon into the biosphere that the earth has been sequestering for hundreds of millions of years. The earth has been trying to kill us, by burying, in various ways, the carbon that is essential to life. The earth is greening, due to mankind’s release of carbon and even NASA admits that this is true.

    It’s true that in yester-century there were disinterested scientists, men of independent means, who could afford to tell the truth as they found it. Unfortunately they are long gone. Nowadays scientist are all dependent, not disinterested. If they say anything not approved by their owners they are gone. This is not 100% true, as there are a very few, such as Dr Peter McCulough, who are big enough to be fireproof, and can tell the truth, but it is rare.

    • Agree: Alfred
  50. rienzi says:

    I live in SW Florida. In Naples there is a beachfront resort called the Vanderbilt Beach Resort. It has been there since the 1950’s. If you go thru the picture on their website, you will see an aerial shot from the 1950’s, and a current one. The waves are hitting the beach in exactly the same place.

    So much for “rising sea levels”. Or is that another one of those things that is conveniently placed just far enough in the future, that when it doesn’t happen, those pushing the narrative today hope we will not remember their goofball prophecies?

  51. @rienzi

    I checked your story, and, as anyone can see from the before/after image . .

    https://www.vanderbiltbeachresort.com/our-story-1

    . . the shore break has moved inward toward the hotel by at least the length of a soccer pitch since the 50’s.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  52. @acementhead

    What an inventive psychopath, although I’ll bet a penny to a pound that it did not come up with it itself. The earth is trying to kill you, is it, paranoid imbecile? We;;, good on it-self-defence clearly.

  53. TKK says:
    @RoatanBill

    Wow!

    The arrogance. The entitlement. The hubris.

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO PAY FOR ALL MY 15 CHILDREN.

    It’s not a skit. Take her mentality, multiply it by 30 million and see the doom of America.

  54. TKK says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You are insane. (Godfree, is that you?).

    You are a CCP troll , but you are claiming to be pro environment? Unbelievable.

    Even the most stalwart CCP loon has to be admit that the Chinese are responsible for most of the marine pollution globally AND environmental lawyers/advocates in China are threatened with prison and death.

    The only animals the CCP protects are PANDAS and that is because they are cash cows.

    Do you even recognize the looney cognitive dissonance in all your trolling?

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Disagree: Badger Down
  55. I think I’ll just stay right where I am, even if there are billionaire hideouts in my neck of the woods…

  56. The UK and Ireland are further north than much of Canada. They are kept much warmer by ocean streams from the south. Some worry that climate change could disrupt these streams, leaving the UK and Ireland “high and dry” or more precisely “cold and miserable.”

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Badger Down
  57. lee says:
    @Patriot

    Imagine what a beautiful state California would be if Democrats didn’t run it !!!

  58. Global warming.

    The collection of pea brain politicians want to stop Global warming by controlling the carbon dioxide in atmosphere. That is actually more ridiculous than trying to stop the rushing train by putting a single straw on the rails.
    Confident politicians are trying to change Gods setup.
    Obviously they cannot succeed.
    And Gods setup is that way that 95 percent of humanity will be eliminated.
    God did set it up this way when he did create our solar system.

    Global warming?

    Global warming is continuous process that started at peak of the Ice age that did happen about 18 thousand years ago.

    There is now no more global warming. There is now accelerated global warming.

    People now noticed that our planet is warming up. People did not notice global warming before, because the changes were not noticeable during one person lifetime.
    So what is the reason for accelerated global warming?
    Some 30 or 40 years ago great change did happen. And it has nothing to do with carbon dioxide in atmosphere.
    Carbon dioxide stays in lower atmosphere is not cumulative process. With rain carbon dioxide creates carbonic acid and it falls to the ground where it helps in creation of top soil. Also plants do absorb carbon dioxide. So carbon dioxide is being part of the recycling process Carbon dioxide is not and newer was the cause of global warming. Although there always were large forest fires they never influenced anything..

    So here is what is happening!

    Staging.

    [MORE]

    I do find it difficult to pick the starting point of the explanation, but I am picking the starting point of peak of the Ice age. Ice age is now accepted fact so I do not have to prove it.
    We did find some Neanderthal skeletons and some pictures on the walls of caves where they were living. (But the question is: Did all Neanderthals live in caves?)
    Also we have here a traveler through Alps clothed if fur and leader with pouch of berries.
    Scientist determined that he died six thousand years ago. He was discovered only because the thick layer of ice above his body has melted away.
    Than we have latest excavations in Sahara desert where were find skeletons an villages and former lakes what did prove that Sahara was a place with ample flora a fauna.
    But most important fact we find in Bible when Jews did leave Egypt they were wandering 40 years in wilderness and when they were very hungry God did send them manna. The manna was sweet. So at one time area which is now Sinai Desert was bursting with vegetation and life. And the manna was coconuts falling from coconuts trees.
    All this is proof that Global warming was present and happening continuously to this day.

    And this is only the end of the Stage, Foreword, or like I love to say Prelude.

    And now I can go to the theory itself .

    MYSTERIOUS LADY THEORY

    I have no doubt that most of readers will not understand the theory because to understand it, it requires certain minimal knowledge of static, kinematics, dynamics and vectors.
    It also requires certain familiarities with works of two Slavic Geniuses , Copernicus, and Kepler, and also Holandian Ticho de Brahe.

    But there is no reason to despair. All you have to understand that everything has two sides. As Newton law that every action has an opposite reaction of equal size. Also every coin has a head ant tale. So if there was an Ice age there must be also a hot age.

    I will concentrate mostly on Kepler.
    So how it went down,
    Tycho de Brahe spent most of his life observing night skies recording the position of planets at time intervals. Eventually when he finished his work, he did not know what to do with it, so he did send all his notes and sketches to Kepler.
    On bases of these notes Kepler formulated 3 laws on movement of orbiting planets in our Solar system. (you can Google Kepler to find the Laws,)
    What is significant is the interpretation of second Law which is about of equal areas. The interpretation is that velocity of the earth orbiting tne Sun is not constant. The velocity when earth on the curve around the sun is higher than when is on the curve on opposite side. (Far away from sun.)

    But I do have a problem with first Law (the ellipse)
    First problem is that ellipse is an anomaly.
    Second problem is that ellipse is inherently unstable.

    As the earth rotate around the Sun trajectory is determined by two obvious forces. The gravity pull of the sun and the centrifugal force emanated from kinetic force of the earth.
    These two forces never change so the orbit must be circular,

    So who is right Kepler or me.
    Actually Kepler is right because his Law is based on factual findings of Ticho de Brahe.

    But here is the snag, First law of dynamics is that nothing changes in our universe unless force is applied to it. So there must be some invisible unknown force that warps the circular orbit of earth into ellipse. I do call this unknown force “Mysterious Lady”

    So there are three forces determining the trajectory of the earth not two. (Holy Trinity,)
    And so mysterious lady is pushing the end of ellipse continuously away from the other end. That is more and more away from sun making the ellipse longer and narrower. Because now earth is spending more time on the ellipse that is far away from sun, the temperature of the earth is decreasing and than the ice age sets in up on earth. Because the vector of Mysterious lady is in direct opposition to Suns gravity, strength of Mysterious lady is decreasing with each orbit. Eventually Suns gravity eliminates all force of Mysterious lady and earth execute his last progressing orbit. And that is the peak of the ice age,
    Than Sun is starting to pull back orbit of the earth, making ellipse fatter and shorter until earth make last orbit which is precise circle.
    But Sun pulling back the earth trajectory is building up the potential energy in earth.
    And now we know the origin of Mysterious lady. It is actually inertia of earth built up by Suns gravity. So when earth makes the precise circular orbit, that is the peak of hot age. And passing that point, inertia in earth is starting to build the ellipse on opposite side of Sun and the process repeats itself.
    So the movement is like pendulum.
    Orbit of the earth defined by two vectors. Vector of kinetic energy and vector of earth inertia.

    According my calculations movement from peak of ice age to peak other ice age takes forty thousand years,
    ………………………………………
    So where are we now?
    We are approximately 2 thousand years away from peak of hot age, when orbit of the earth becomes precise circle. And I believe it is not too good news for humanity,
    At the beginning I did mention the red line and accelerated Global warming.
    So what is happening?
    Sun is emitting heat waves into universe but so does also earths, the face turned away from sun. This acceptance of heat energy and emitting heat energy was in balance.
    But because earth is spending more time closer to sun the enthalpy of the earth is increasing, Increase of enthalpy means accelerated Global warming.

    Prophecy and consequences

    Seasons.

    Although it was happening before now it will happen more obviously. The summers will become longer and winters will become shorter. It will happen until circular
    orbit of the earth when seasons will vanish and all year will be only summer. I am not going to note on the impact on the flora. In every case the impact becomes questionable.

    Going back to present.
    Environmentalists are now alarmed by diminishing icebergs on poles. Claiming of the rising of the level of oceans is threat to humanity. That is not a threat. That is a joke.

    About our Mother Earth.
    Earth is not a sphere to call earth sphere is good enough when we argue with people who claim that the earth is flat.
    Earth is ellipsoid with larger axis of distance of two opposite points on the equator an smaller axis from pole to pole.
    But even that is not precise because earth is more squashed on north pole than on south pole.
    That proves two things.
    Earth was once liquid mass.
    The solidifying of surface of the liquid mass did begin on North pole.
    On North pole we have deep see while on South pole we have solid earth mass.

    So what are the detrimental factors threaten the humanity?
    (Here are enthusiast of global worming actually right.)
    1.Increased temperature.
    2.Weather

    Temperature of air on most areas will increase to such extent that it will become non breathable.

    Concerning weather, it is more complicated.
    As earth will heat up and all snow and ice will vanish the temperature differences will of different areas considerable decrease. That will influence the air movement around the globe.
    The air movement will considerably decrease. It will decrease to such extent that most of evaporated water from oceans in a form of clouds will not reach solid ground but they will fall back in a form of rain into oceans. Result of this will be dry lands on continents.

    So here is signs to watch. Amounts of rain in all areas.
    Tornados Hurricanes and Typhoons will be no more. They will die out.

    The results.
    The earth axis of rotation is not perpendicular to area of its ellipse it is inclined 22,7 degrees. That means that southern hemisphere is more exposed to sun when earth is on curve around the sun.
    So Australia will first that will become arid uninhabitable land. All flora and fauna including the population will die out. Following new Zealand Africa Middle east South America will die out.
    Eventually all area up to Northern Polar circle will become uninhabitable.

    Only Northern parts of Canada, Labrador, Iceland and Russian Tundra will be habitable.

    Naturally by progressing the devastation there will be great migration Earth population to North.
    Some countries will accept selectively some emigrants but there will not be so many accepted .
    Russian Taiga is a huge land and they will accept mostly Slavic people Except Polish and not Russian speaking Ukrainians.

    We have Lucy from 3,2 million years and we have Ardi from 4.4 million years.
    So humanoids and humans survived several hot ages so why such a pessimistic outlook for humanity now?
    Well?
    We do not know how may died in hot age and how many survived.
    And here is the huge difference. They did not have an axe and saw. All surface of earth was cowered and protected by canopy of trees.

    This time it will be different.
    People did cut down most of the trees for inhabitation, fields and roads.
    So now the earth is mostly naked.

    So what can humans do now to at lest somehow diminish the impact of hot age.
    Not much!
    Maybe plant trees on every free area could help a little bit.
    The other thing is imperative. Canada should dig a deep channel from Great lakes to arctic circle, and Russia should dig a deep channel from Baikal lake to Russian Tundra.
    To have a soft water for population and for irrigation to have a back up
    in case of insufficient rain.

    I still stand by my calculation of peak of the hot age 2 thousand years from now, but that is within error of plus minus 5 hundred years. So maybe we will start to notice the beginning of hot age soon.

    We have scientist star gazers, who could measure the distance of earth to sun at time of peak of winter, and at time of peak of summer and establish the parameters of ellipse.
    And doing twice or more times could determine the gradient of earth nearing the sun.
    From that it can be calculated precisely the peak of the hot age.

    What is most peculiar to me that Trump wanted to buy Iceland from Denmark.
    Did he wanted a safe land for future US population? Because he knew what will be coming? This is very suspicious to me. But Democrats have different idea
    They just will kill all Iceland population and take over.
    Soon will be here on earth life or death situations for most of nations, so conflict will arise with unforeseen consequences.

    Final conclusion.
    Bible is saying that God created heaven and earth. I would put it slightly differently.
    Many parameters of our Earth and our Solar system that support life, in my opinion could not happen randomly. I am strongly convinced that our solar system is Gods pet project.

    Post Scripted

    Please do not misunderstand me. I am condoning all activities what Governments are doing, fighting Global warming and Climate change. But these activities will have zero influence on what is coming.

    I am only wondering if I will get at least one echo.

    April 30, 2021

    Signed by Zarathustra, Diploma Engineer

  59. The Head Jews In Charge (HJIC’s), along with their WASP hanger-on’s, are very disturbed about the little people’s recent ability to fly about the planet. Thus, Covid.

    You trash up the place. Interfere with their access to pristine places, you may want caviar or truffles, or even beef or duck.

    If you are not an HJIC and reading this, they want you living in a pod and eating insects. As it should be.

    Please begin to cooperate with nature’s plan.

  60. awry says:

    “The reality is that we can save our species – assuming it can be saved at all at this late stage – only by radically transforming our societies: by ending inequality, by criminalising greed, by dispossessing billionaires, by nationalising corporations, by making economies and political systems far more localised, by introducing real democratic accountability, by abolishing the corporate media, by funding critical thinking in our education system, and much else.”

    In other words: Cuba and North Korea are ahead of the curve. (Thinking that all this could be done without a state terror apparatus is a pipe dream.)

  61. @mulga mumblebrain

    You attack him instead of being able to articulate a reasoned rebuttal to his observation? Doesn’t that say everything? Yes, I think so.

    He is not wrong. I marvel at the people that still spend unbelievable amounts of money on cigarettes, volumes of garbage corn syrup beverages and, yes, tattoos.

    Do you know how expensive those things are? You’d be surprised. And the people I see with huge, complicated ones all over their arms or legs, etc — those cost thousands! So, those are bad choices being made by dumb people.

    • Agree: Fred777, Bro43rd
  62. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:

    dude! jonathan! your bourgeois is showing.

    1. the looming climate crisis has been looming for a long time.

    2. the earth is still in an ice age. for most of its history glaciers have existed only atop the very highest mountains. it’ll take thousands of years for antarctica to melt.

    3. “climate change” is the exact opposite of what you say. it’s a means whereby the rich and powerful can ignore real problems, especially real environmental problems like too many fucking people, deforestation, loss of habitat and extinction, etc..

    4. “climate change” allows acts of God to be blamed on other people. don’t be surprised if earthquakes and volcanoes are soon blamed on “climate change”.

  63. anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    and jonathan my dude. you like michael moore’s solution: everyone has to be poor? there’s a very simple solution to all the world’s power needs. it’s not renewable. not exactly. but there’s more than enough of it to provide all power needs until the earth is swallowed by the sun. uranium, nuclear power. it’s easy.

  64. “Climate Change” was chosen as the preferred instrument for the imposition of global tyranny. Rulers always CREATE the crises they want to !solve”. This is how they advance their agenda.
    Not a word here about the massive hidden industry that is WEATHER MODIFICATION. Read the 700+ page US Congress report on this. It is REAL.

    It is hard to believe that intelligent people think that all this climate chaos is “just happening” right on cue.

  65. Alfred says:

    The greatest ideological challenge facing the super-rich is imminent climate collapse:

    What makes you think that the billionaires believe any of this nonsense? How many of the people who promote the “Global Warming” narrative own luxurious seaside palaces? Obama, John Kerry …

    For a more realistic view of what the climate is like, I recommend these 3 websites:

    https://electroverse.net/
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/
    https://notrickszone.com/

    Here is a typical article from one of them:

    Adjusting To Warm, NASA Data Alterations Change Cooling To Warming In Ireland, Greece

    Just like with the flu data that our kind host Mr Unz is so fond of, weather bureaux are adept at rehashing reality. 🙂

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
  66. Ah, Mr. Cook, media critic. And a good one, no doubt.

    However this is what I saw coinciding with the release of the IPCC report: FIRES EVERYWHERE! Videos of Fires, Stories about Fires, Photographs of Fires, Forest Fires, Brush Fires, in Greece, California, Turkey. FIRES FIRES FIRES!

    Now, we can attribute this to the state/corporate media just ‘reporting the current events’ and that an UNUSUAL number of FIRES were erupting all over the world at the same time and in the same week the IPCC report came out.

    Or, we can point out the FIRES as the searing truth of the climate change models.

    Or, we can intimate an agenda, a campaign to, as Mr. Cook suggests in other contexts, influence our emotions at the reptilian brain level.

    What is more stimulating to our emotional neural processing system than the fear of massive fires?

    I shall suggest another way of interpreting the IPCC report and the Climate Change theory.

    Indeed, ‘we’, gross humanity in the billions, are polluting our water, food, air and causing mass species extermination.

    [MORE]

    How to distract our attention from the details of who profits from this? Why not a SUPER BIG theory of WORLDWIDE CLIMATE CHANGE?

    Thus the details, of who profits from the coal, who profits from road building, who profits from the chemical farming, who pollutes the most (USA military), who PREVENTS local land ownership, local farming (Bill Gates owns more farmland in USA than anybody).

    Who is profiting from the SUPER BIG CLIMATE CHANGE THEORY? Why is the A.B.S.U.R.D. (Amalgamated Billionaires Syndicated Union of Real Dickheads aka the W.E.F.) pushing Climate Change like a dealer pushing the newest variety of narcotics?

    Mr. Cook doesn’t tell us that. Or why the ‘Climate Change Activists’ chaining themselves to oil company HQ portals get, at most, a slap on the wrist and front page glossies, while the ‘Yellow Vests’ get their eyes blown out and nobody knows about the Aussies getting the full on state oppression kick ’em in the head treatment, NOW.

    Or the backstory of Goldilocks Greta: don’t look into THAT media scam of massive proportions Mr. Cook!

    My friends, those of you who pay attention to vacant unused parking lots, and paved roads that have been closed and blocked off, and old homeplaces, abandoned and left to go to seed.

    What do WE see, we walkers and lookers. We see how quickly the grass seeds sprout in the cracks, and the birds nest in the rotting eaves, and ivy vines crawl across the surfaces, and one autumn’s fallen leaves create a haven for worms and the first layer of soil and in five years that abandoned road is trailed with wild roses and the vacant parking lot has not an inch of exposed pavement except where the whole blocks have been raised by pushing roots, and the old homeplace is home to a fox family in the cellar and field mice in the abandoned kitchen.

    The lesson is live simply and DO NOTHING. Do you notice that the DO NOTHING philosophy, which is the most earth friendly philosophy, is never advanced? Imagine if the DO NOTHING philosophy became the national philosophy of just one country? One state? One county?

    DO NOTHING means we recognize the limitations of our knowledge and we trust in the vast non human knowledge which OBVIOUSLY can create biodiversity and beauty from an abandoned building site faster than an infant becomes a child.

    DO NOTHING means not empowering the scam artists everywhere who want to DO SOMETHING!!!!

    I doubt most of you will understand me, but those of you who know that ‘nature’ is at EVERYONE’S doorstep, EVERYWHERE, will nod, and then go out for their daily walk beside that urban sewer that was once a bubbling stream, and, someday, will again be the home of trout and tadpoles and flowing with pristine water.

    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  67. A lot of folks here saying that overpopulation is the problem, maybe they are right? idk

    The best place to start the cull is from the top.

    The ecological footprint of one Bezos, Musk, or Branson would surpass that of multiple 3rd world townships.

  68. Alfred says:
    @gar manarnar

    “A Farewell to Ice”

    Anyone who believes this nonsense should not forget to get the top-up third shot. 🤣

    In reality, the earth has been very gradually cooling for 9 years – because of the inactive sun. Even NASA has been forced to acknowledge it – “Covert” NASA data reveals Global Snowfall has *Increased* Over the Past 40 Years

    Yesterday, during the height of summer (August 2021), Greenland GAINED Enough Mass to Bury Central Park Under 2,200+ Feet of Ice

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @johnm33
  69. GMC says:

    You have to include the Military grade Climate weapons being used, in the equation. Also included, would be a cosmic event that would create super tsunamis that would wipe out most life – on those living on or near – all the coastlines.
    Climate is not creating all these earthquakes, volcanoes, or geological events , that have been happening world wide. There has to be an outside powerful source. And I don’t buy the Sun theory on the super magnetic shift that is occurring. Nasa doesn’t work for the people , they work for the One World Order – as all the Independent amatuers like musk, google and the rest. Even Russia is keeping quiet on what they know – as usual. One thing is sure – the depopulation agenda has started and that mRNA poison is the # 1 weapon of choice – for now.

    • Agree: Alfred
  70. Reggie68 says:

    Jonathan Cook has got this so wrong. Which is typical of a socialist.

  71. @mulga mumblebrain

    Reflection? Yes, please! Unfortunately the glaciers I used to hike on have receded even unto heaven. Just hot rocks these days.

    • Replies: @GMC
  72. @rienzi

    I walked up the Kali Gandaki and saw seashells at 5,000 metres.
    The oceans are rising.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  73. Miro23 says:
    @Anonymous

    The proof is in the fact that we have already figured out a way to drastically decrease CO2 levels in the atmosphere. I’ve lost the link but the study has shown that planting half a trillion trees across the globe would turn back the “doomsday” CO2 clock 100 years – to a time when most people didn’t even know that cars existed.

    That’s an interesting idea. When you consider that early Spain was entirely forest covered (rather than arid semi-desert that it is now) or that the Australian continent was also entirely forest covered prior to the arrival of the first humans – then putting the process in reverse seems like a good idea. It’s also not just CO2, but moisture retention and rebuilding natural habitat for wildlife.

    Two points here are that 1) the elite dialogue only concerns restrictions, such as reduced carbon use – nothing at all about habitat rebuilding 2) reforestation on this scale would put responsibility on individuals and corporations for use of their own private land – to plant trees in gardens and on farms.

    ELITE DIALOGUE – This involves restrictions, rules and sanctions of the public which they like. There is complete silence about habitat building (re-greening). Conclusion that “climate change” is more of a mechanism (same as the “Covid pandemic”) of subjugation/control and profit opportunitiy.

    LARGE SCALE REFORESTATION – Would involve everyone and build community. And it would have little to do with the elite. The personal cost and effort of planting saplings on available land you own is low (choosing local species that mostly look after themselves) – with environmental benefits that stretch forward for 100’s years (a favourable environmental cost/benefit relation for a community).

    Conclusion that building local communities is exactly what the elite doesn’t want – they want central control and excuses to impose greater authoritarianism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. Anon117 says:

    To any person concerned with ‘climate change’ – just tell them the quickest solution is for us to stop driving cars everywhere. Tell them if they were serious, they’d cut their household VMT ( vehicle miles traveled) by 95% and do so tomorrow. Instead of driving everywhere, they could buy a couple of e-scooters.

    watch their reaction

    priceless

  75. Alfred says:
    @kali

    you choose to look the other way when another much more immediate deception is perpetrated in real time and is driving us ever faster in that same direction!

    I completely agree. And if you look at those behind both fallacies, you will find the same actors. The whole thing is so obvious that I suspect that Mr Unz is not a free agent. Sad.

    Bill Gates on tackling climate change and the ongoing pandemic response

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @Agent76
  76. The fraud of a green future is that it will be controlled by western imperialists. The purpose of which will be to ensures no industrial growth, infrastructure or national sovereignty. All the while keeping nations foolish enough to jump on board in perpetual debt slavery with no means of production necessary to extinguish ever growing debts. It will be necessary to use forceful measures of birth control and sterilisation on poorer nations to ensure wealth stays in the hands of anglo saxon elites and not distributed or used for foreign aid.

    Progressive modernity will be unravelled and we will be sent back to the middle ages.
    Where and how you live, how much you earn,what work you do, who you can marry, how many children you will be allowed to have, what clothes you can wear, what food you can eat and in what quantities, what entertainment you will have access to, and where you can travel to, your every movement thought and action will all be sanctioned and controlled with the harshest of penalties for anyone disagreeing with it.
    It must be resisted by all means.

  77. @Grog

    People should be aware of Chan Thomas and his book that the CIA had banned called The Adam and Eve Story. They should also know about Earth Crust Displacement theory popularized by CIA agent Charles Hapgood and how Albert Einstein wrote the forward to his book on the topic. One should also ask why the CIA would ban a book. Don’t laugh off what you haven’t investigated.

    Anyone interested in learning more should visit the Suspicious Observers Disaster playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw
    Also add the Suspicious Observers Climate Change playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcqdt3LK6d66tMreI4gqIC-

    Hapgood’s work was partly propaganda to keep people away from Thomas’s version. Einstein thought the theory sound but couldn’t identify the power source to unlock the crust from the low velocity zone. Some now claim the power needed can be supplied by the galactic plasma current sheet, now that it’s known to exist.

    The only part of the theory I find unconvincing is the cyclical return of the current geographic poles to their current positions after a 12000 year displacement around the equator. That the earth’s crust could shift due to ice build up on Greenland makes perfect sense if one realizes that only friction keeps it where it currently is and that friction could be overcome by enough power to reduce the viscosity under the crust.

  78. Rich says:

    The only purpose of the “global climate apocalypse” hoax is to steal money and resources from the middle class through taxation, preventing them from becoming wealthy and cementing those already wealthy in their position. The author, by falling for the hoax, has become a tool of the very billionaires he pretends to abhor.

  79. FatR says:

    1. There is no impending climate catastrophe.

    2. If humanity could raise the global temperatures by burning hydrocarbons, that would have been the best thing for the life on the Earth we could ever do. Morally imperative, in fact. Returning CO2 tied in fossil fuels, according to the standard model, to the atmosphere, would keep Earth from becoming an unlivable ice ball for additional hundreds of millions of years. However, there is no evidence that burning hydrocarbons pactually does anything to the climate.

    3. The idea that given finite consumable resources we should stretch them over longer periods of time is patently idiotic and cruel next to the idea that we should dedicate as much resources as possible to obtaining access to new consumable resources (even if obtaining that access is not guaranteed). Furthermore, implementing it requires effective elimination of democracy from public life.

    4. The assertion that we are obligated to cushion masses of the Third Worlders from the impact of climate fluctuations well under the natural amplitude of such fluctuations because reasons (reasons mostly being their irresponsible breeding) is far from self-evident.

    • Agree: Rich
  80. Alfred says:
    @gar manarnar

    The fraud that you have fallen for is the assumption that these changes in sea-level have some connection to atmospheric CO2. In reality, these changes have been going on for centuries – long before the Industrial Revolution.

    For example, the north of Scandinavia shows a “falling” sea-level. But this is merely because the massive amount of ice that was lying over this land in the last Ice Age has been removed and the land is rising. 🙂

    Here is an article with the historic sea-level data for places with over 100 years of data. It shows that the sea-level rise/fall preceded the arrival of the motor car. Furthermore, the rate of change is the same.

    Alarmists try to frighten people, and stampede them into terrible energy decisions

    The clever ruse of rising sea levels

    • Agree: GMC
    • Replies: @GMC
  81. During the first 16 months of mass suffering spurred by the pandemic communist globalist scum…

    Fixed.

  82. @rienzi

    Or is that another one of those things that is conveniently placed just far enough in the future, that when it doesn’t happen, those pushing the narrative today hope we will not remember their goofball prophecies?

    You found their secret formula: Doomsday is always 30 years away.

    Not a single environmental doomsday prophecy of the past 75 years has come true, yet people keep believing alarmist charlatans, it’s safe and fun, like a roller coaster.

    If anything, the world is long overdue for another Ice Age. Considering the demons in power all over the world, being a popsicle don’t seem bad at all.

  83. @Athena

    I wonder why believers in global conspiracy theories, fnords, and the Big Bad Jew, still take NASA statements at face value.

  84. Man made climate change is an ideology invented by the Democratic Party so that it can have a “theology issue” to compete with the republicans’ anti abortion and anti gay rights platforms. They are fake issues that are intended to allow a public debate and public theatre without calling the public’s attention to critical issues, such as immigration and the middle eastern wars. Both parties are on page with those topics and brook no dissent. Trump sort of broke through the glass ceiling on those issues, particularly immigration, which is of course why he is so viciously hated and attacked by the establishment.

    Billionaires as a class probably don’t have that much in common with each other and are not that in love with their money. Money is less powerful as an end in itself than spiritual forces like communism, the Middle East, or the racial transformation of the United States and Europe. However, money can be an important weapon in achieving those goals, as a means to an end, not an end in and of itself.

    Musk and bezos with their egomaniacal space programs are simply swimming in harmless waters. They want to be seen as progressive and doing something for mankind, secular saints, but it is egocentric. Man could never live on Mars because it has no magnetosphere. It would make more sense to colonize Antarctica of course! If they tried to do something to threaten the above mentioned platforms, their fortunes would quickly be sidled away in 2008 like financial crises and they would be harassed and persecuted like trump.

  85. Biff says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “cold and miserable.”

    More than they already are? Wow!

  86. @mulga mumblebrain

    The moniker mumblebrain certainly suits you as one of this sites leading shallow thinkers. You know about half of the climate story but refuse to investigate the other half. You know about how the bankers are conspiring but refuse to admit that stupid people shouldn’t overpopulate the planet.

    Why not look at ALL the evidence for the various things that obviously concern you?

    The planet has a cyclical history of long periods of glaciation and short intervals of the relatively warm period we enjoy now. These cycles predate the modern industrial age and show CO2 levels far exceeding today’s minuscule amounts in the atmosphere, but you ignore that so you can rant about all us climate deniers.

    We aren’t climate deniers actually. We are climate realists and we look at the overall record and don’t cherry pick the portions you focus on. We realize the climate is changing but don’t think CO2 or the greenhouse effect is the critical culprit. If history is any guide, then we are at the tail end of a warming period and heading into the future millennia of much colder temperatures. The warming leads to the cooling and there’s scientific basis for the shift.

    Although capitalism has its faults, especially when it turns into the crony variety due to corrupt gov’t, it is still the best form of economic activity the world has managed to create. We may all lament the political power the super rich have, but that shouldn’t blind us to how the poor are their own worst enemy. We, the folks in the middle class, are put upon by the depredations of the uber wealthy via their control of the political and therefore legal process, as well as the criminality and violence unleashed by the low IQ in the society. There’s nothing wrong with wishing for a reduced population of dolts that statistically are more violent. It’s a self preservation instinct.

    Your rants aren’t based in a complete logical framework which is why you can’t mount a cogent defense of your positions. In the final analysis, you’re just a shit flinger.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @TKK
  87. @Ron Unz

    Tectonic plates shift and when the vents in these cracks open—–heat is released. Hot is not heat –today is hot outside is ambient but heat is amount of calories to raise water 1 degree —so hot days do not translate into heated water? There were huge underwater volcanoes off Greenland but they never appear in mainline news.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  88. GMC says:
    @Badger Down

    Agree, I took a glacier climbing course back in the 70s on Portage glacier just outside of Anchorage/ Whittier. Today , I’d be swimming in the same place that I was climbing. I totally agree with the theory that the earth is heating up from inside and there is a cosmic magnetic force pulling on the Earth. If that magnetic force just happens to slow the planet down and stop it – kiss your ass goodbye. LOL LOL

  89. GMC says:
    @Alfred

    Alfred – remember your journey to Kozebue Alaska ? That school in Shishmareff Ak. an Island in the Chukchi Sea is a shining example of propaganda. The waves off the Chukchi side , during the summer , were washing away the perma frost which ate away at the Island. The Island used to be twice the size – once upon a time. No Shishmareff didn’t turn into Miami but the Media had a field day on the Climate warming BS. Anyway, the Skimos were smart enough to lobby for the Gov. to save their day and relocate the village to the mainland. I doubt that they got their wish – the Crusades were mo important. I was PM/ super on the project for reference. good \$ it was.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  90. Maddaugh says:
    @RoatanBill

    Mudbrain writes the most astounding shit on this site. He goes on and on for example about great China. He goes on and on about the shitty west. However I have a strong suspicion this “shit flinger” lives somewhere IN THE WEST. Anyway Roatan, this site is like any other grouping, it has at least one asshole.

    I agree with you. Millenia ago the Sahara was lush and now is desert.
    The Arizona deserts were once under the sea.
    Studies show that the average temperature of the earth increased 1.5 degrees in 100 years
    I believe the latest UN Propaganda panic report, in small print shows that in 50 years or so we will enter a period of cooling

    At one time the jargon was global warming. When that proved to be bullshit it became global cooling and when that also proved to be more crap it became climate change. The label changes when each pronouncement and prediction is exposed as bunk.

    Finally, it looks like all the global warming prophets have multi million dollar homes by the beach. If these people really believed that Polar ice caps would melt and flood the earth, especially say the Hamptons, they would buy in the mountains.

    The whole Climate change thing is yet another rip off. Everyone has a doomsday button that wont be pushed as long a they get funds to do another study how to “save the planet”. Mumble Crumble need not worry. His head is so full of air that in the event of floods he will be buoyant. Maybe he will float back to China the Greatest country in the world !

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  91. Joe Wong says:
    @Patriot

    We can overcome the climate crisis and avoid the climate apocalypse if we, the human beings, unite together to build the world as a community of common destiny for mankind(人類命運共同體). Unfortunately, the American leading their allies (the West) are determined to undermine such noble cause, and have been using whatever means, such as we lie, we cheat, we steal and we murder, to divide the world into a caste system in according to their values of race, religion, and fake democracy ideology, so that they can be the hegemon of the caste system and get fat by enslaving the rest of the human beings.

    Climate apocalypse was initiated by the West via industry revolution, and will become reality due to the West’s selfishness and greed.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  92. Aren’t the four seasons climate change in action? That’s what the old timers taught me. Experts in the seasonal change say we are all going to die. Duh? I thought most knew that from about age four. For the rich, isn’t that the rub?

  93. profnasty says:
    @Patriot

    War phamine and disease will solve the problem if peoples are forced to stay in the country of their birth.
    But noo o o… Statute of Liberty.
    Yuck.

  94. profnasty says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    Climate BS.
    And don’t call me surly.

  95. Government mandates and new media or systems are not the solution. Being so fiercely in love with God’s creation and your brothers and sisters on this Earth that you joyfully give up your car, big house and excess trinkets is the solution. Embracing the leppers among us, the lowest of the low, joining them in peace and healing from the bottom up, growing food, raising livestock, doing it all on a small scale. It will not be easy, it will take generations, things will get worse before they get better, and failure is an option.

    Francis Moore Lappe was right, the Club of Rome was right, blessed Saint Francis was right. But because we blew through our chance back in the 1970’s and replaced John Denver with Madonna, the Waltons with Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, and cheered Ronnie on as he tore the solar panels off the White House, and because somehow our sick culture has now metastasized across the globe, all that’s left now is collapse. After that, we can re-assess and try and pick up the pieces.

    But in the meantime, Sister Poverty, Brother Sun, the soil, the animals, and all of creation are still hanging around waiting for the nourishment of our tears, contrition, and redemption. Peace!

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @ricpic
  96. When will people learn that anything and everything being pushed by the establishment is a crock of shit? Your wisest course of action is to simply do the opposite of what they tell you.

  97. “Climate change” is a scam. Despite what the writer says, the “elite” use the false religion of “climate catastrophe” to keep the rest of us in line and make even more money.

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    H.L. Mencken

  98. @gar manarnar

    You thermageddonists have been predicting the end of Arctic ice for the past 40 years. But here it is the end of August and the Northeast passage through the Arctic is still blocked. The Northwest passage is frozen up solid. Nothing getting through. That’s the observation of the sea ice experts at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/08/21/polar-bear-habitat-update-at-mid-august/

    • Thanks: GMC
  99. “And for that we have the billionaires, and their bunker and space colony fantasies, to thank.”

    I would like to think that a security detail person who has been moored on an island with Bezos comes to realize of the death of his beloved family due to his employer’s mismanagement of the earth, he would anally scrutinize him to death.

  100. @Grog

    all the rest of the planets in our Solar system are also having extreme weather changes

    And NASA has recently discovered that auroras drive global warming on Jupiter. Driven by the solar wind.
    https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/899/jupiters-atmosphere-heats-up-under-solar-wind/

    Just another way the sun determines climate and climate change on Earth.

  101. Cowboy says:

    I reckon:

    1. Technology will continue to advance and mitigate against any worldwide catastrophic climate event.

    2. Those that do hold the power over these technologies will try to use them for totalitarian purposes.

  102. @mulga mumblebrain

    Quite amazing. It was hardly a couple of weeks ago that Ron called you out for your intemperate rants against climate-change skeptics, and you promised to reform. But here you go again.

    Why am I not surprised?

  103. @Patriot

    Well, the only rational conclusion to your “too many people” statement is to kill yourself.

    What a pathetic example of completely brainwashed waste!

    Set THE example and use only renewable resources to commit suicide.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  104. From that “”5 places to visit” piece.

    “a combination of too many tourists and foreign species that don’t belong is threatening the ecosystem and unique native species of the Galapagos Islands”

    Foreign species who don’t belong have done huge damage to the ecosystem (in its broadest sense) and native species of the British Isles, but British elites (many of whom, like Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak and various Tugendhats, are rootless cosmopolitans with no deep connection to Britain and its people) seem determined that more damage shall be done.

  105. As a native born Californian who still lives now in Mexifornia, you can’t beat the climate here on the central coast. There are literally 20-35 degree differences between refreshing coastal ocean air and hot valley/inland temperatures on a typical summer day. It’s like having a natural marine air bubble acting as a natural air conditioning cooler without having to pay exorbitant energy fees.

    I agree, California would be better off if 7 – 10 million illegals would get the hell out, along with another 2 -5 million refugees dropped into majority white neighborhoods. They waste more resources, pollute, litter, ad nausea, while their gangbangger welfare offspring tag (graffiti), rape, murder and steal whatever’s not bolted to the floor, and even that is stolen in many cases.

    Having taco stands, Indian Curry, Falafel, Chinese, Thai, ME, or rolling mobile ice cream carts every few blocks is not adding to the economic or long term development of society.

  106. @mulga mumblebrain

    melting sea ice and the glaciers on Greenland

    The glaciers on Greenland are doing quite well this year, despite your usual thermageddonist hype about the recent three-day melt event. Thank you very much. As is Arctic sea ice, with both the Northwest passage and the Northeast passage now blocked up pretty solid.

    Tell us again, when shall we expect that long-predicted ice-free Arctic? Is it still 2030, like AOC told us three years ago? Or do we have to wait a little longer?
    http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/surface-conditions/

  107. @Ron Unz

    I remember your article. It is a poorly written opinion piece and of zero value, whether one is a skeptic or not. I reference the conservative trope of a new “ice age”. The ice age argument hales from a ridiculous News Week article in 1975. But hey, I’ll be all to happy to arm wrestle over the last can of peaches when civilization gets down to that point.

  108. AndrewR says:
    @Freedom Awaits

    Or: we could reduce birthrates.

    You’re either really dumb or really dishonest.

  109. @Joseph Doaks

    You are correct!
    But it will take about 40 generation when it will be really here!

  110. @WingsofADove

    I shall suggest another way of interpreting the IPCC report and the Climate Change theory.

    Indeed, ‘we’, gross humanity in the billions, are polluting our water, food, air and causing mass species extermination

    How to distract our attention from the details of who profits from this? Why not a SUPER BIG theory of WORLDWIDE CLIMATE CHANGE?

    Hear Hear. But not by Mr. Cook who cleverly snares his readers after a good article into this argumentative dead-end, or by the multiple commenters who took the bait.

    The lesson is live simply and DO NOTHING. Do you notice that the DO NOTHING philosophy, which is the most earth friendly philosophy, is never advanced? Imagine if the DO NOTHING philosophy became the national philosophy of just one country? One state? One county?

    I can imagine it. But imagine a world that does not paved over sidewalks, have English rose gardens and swimming pools in every garden; a world that lets nature be instead of endlessly re-shaping it into our masters’ latest fashion image of the perfect home, the productive farm, the roaring business, the bustling city, the dynamic state – how will such a lethargic, lazy, dull, reactionary world turn the modern wheels of production faster and faster, spoiling its humans with a thousand cheap and not so cheap thrills, while heaping on its grim reapers stupendous fortune? You a commie? At least socialist, I’m sure.

    I doubt most of you will understand me

    Oh, we understand you all right. But some of us weep with you, the rest do what the article seemingly explains: carry on with crazy at our masters’ pleasure.

  111. @acementhead

    The earth has been trying to kill us, by burying, in various ways, the carbon that is essential to life.

    Missn’t Mulga disputes this, but it is perhaps the most perceptive observation that has come out of this current thermageddonist scam. Corals and other shellfish extract CO2 from the seawater and combine it with calcium to make their pretty much chemically indestructible shells. When they die, those shells sink and coalesce to form the world’s great limestone reefs and chalk layers. All sequestered until humans came along and began to convert them back into their constituent parts.

    The great Carboniferous forests did the same, locking up CO2 as coal and oil deposits, at least until fungi evolved to decompose their dead stumps.

    I condemn the environmental destruction caused by mankind as much as anyone, but liberating CO2 is not part of it. If there had been an environmental movement back in the great geological reef-making eras, the shellfish would have been seen as the environmental destroyers.

    Addlebrain has clearly set foot in no more geology classrooms than (s)he has in physics classrooms.

  112. @GomezAdddams

    There are 139 volcanoes in the Antarctic but they seldom get a mention because acknowledging such a heat source would spoil the narrative.

    • Agree: GMC
  113. ricpic says:
    @Thor Walhovd

    “…insects are disappearing…”

    So how come I’m getting bit up just as bad this summer as last?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  114. Agent76 says:

    Apr 26, 2021 Constructing Climate Propaganda

    A look at how the press and academia construct climate propaganda, use it to misinform the public, and push government towards catastrophically bad policy.

    Sep 19, 2020 Michael Moore Responds: New Report REVEALS Green Billionaire Attacks On Movie ‘Planet Of The Humans’

    Academy Award winner, Michael Moore, discusses the controversy surrounding his latest documentary ‘The Planet of the Humans.’

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  115. @mulga mumblebrain

    It’s relentless breeding of unproductive, useless subhumans that will be the demise of humanity. And who determines useless and subhuman? The government and House’s of Worship that allows these despicable rats to prosper at the expense of the working class because they hate us and want us destroyed, we’ve found out their plane for total global enslavement. These useless subhumans here with millions more heading across borders, have already turned on everyone to survive, no one is safe.

    Look around you, can you walk through a black infested hood at night? Or a Gangbangger infested barrio? Or a mohammadan refugee resettlement city in any part of the world?

    This sub-class of humanity don’t care if you’re rich or poor, black, white or brown, or if you accidentally entered their hood, you would not be spewing shit faster than you can make it if you had.

    Wait till mohammadans build up their hoods and the call to prayer is heard miles away wherever you go, and when Commie Chinamen are the new pimps of humanity.

  116. Agent76 says:
    @Alfred

    Here is another Gates truism.

    Aug 14, 2020 Bill Gates : Reduce World Population With New Vaccines

    In this Ted Talk, Bill Gates says CO2 causes ecosystem collapse, and top scientists tell him we have to get CO2 emissions down to zero. He then goes on to say that we need to reduce population, and we can use new vaccines to do that.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  117. Once on PBS
    I was watching a show where scientists were examining huge crater caused by impact of huge meteor. From this scientists developed theory that Ice Age was result of this occurrence.
    The theory was that dust particles thrown into atmosphere did block the Sun rays and the result was
    Ace age.
    ………………………………………………………
    You are on the same level of reasoning.
    (Maybe little bit lower because they were climate scientists.)
    They did not explain how could remain dust particles in atmosphere for thousands of years.
    Maybe some “scientist” of you sages could explain that?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  118. Alfa158 says:
    @Quartermaster

    The B-29’s still flew at high altitudes flying to and from Japan. They started carrying out the actual bomb drops at low altitudes when General LeMay and his staff figured out that they weren’t hitting any targets from 30,000 feet.
    He had some of the defensive guns stripped from the planes, loaded them with incendiaries and sent them in at night and at low altitude where they couldn’t miss. One of the raids on Tokyo killed 100,000 Japanese civilians in a single night.
    I was in Strategic Air Command long after LeMay had retired, but his hard-nosed Spartan influence was still present in the SAC culture.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  119. @RoatanBill

    The world needs to wake up and enact strict laws and punishment (sterilization) for anyone having a baby that you’re unable to house, feed, and support.
    This black hoe is a perfect example of reckless breeding dumped on society to care for. These despicable black/brown/white/ yellow hoes should have their tubes tied in knots and their kids sterilized to further prevent a repeat of this continuing horror taking place around the world.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Jett Rucker
  120. Jonathan, this is a gem of an article.
    I asked these questions earlier in life and you are right
    The most liberating question one can ask, therefore, is: to whom is any particular ideology useful”?
    I have been following this line of thought as it coincides with my Buddhist philosophy.
    Thanks buddy. Today I suffer from alienation, skin rash, psoriasis and a bit of depression.
    Not sarcasm

  121. @Agent76

    If Michael Moore had a slogan, it would be,

    Michael Moore – Propaganda Whore

    I wonder if this fat slab of filth ever looks at himself in the mirror?

    • Replies: @Agent76
  122. @mulga mumblebrain

    You keep spouting off about “science”. Okay, well here’s a test to see if you know what you’re talking about.
    How did those 3 skyscrapers collapse at free fall speed into their own foot prints on 911?

  123. @Badger Down

    Charles Darwin found seashells in the Andes at similar heights. They seemed to be of species not long extinct.

  124. Here is my suggestion.
    Open Google and type in Milankovitch cycles, There is link to Wikipedia.
    I do agree with him mostly except I disagree that changes in earth orbit are caused by Jupiter and Saturn.
    Than read My comment #60

  125. johnm33 says:
    @Alfred

    Takes a lot of heat to evaporate that much water.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  126. Nick J says:

    Here in New Zealand we have an increasing number of super rich Americans buying their way into our country, buying citizenship. Id rather they stayed put and faced the music on their own patch. Thats a nice way of saying that they can all fekk off.

  127. It’s not an existential crisis to them if they’re relocating millions of people from hot equatorial regions to the cooler, northern, industrialized White countries.

    The Davos crowd will not infringe upon the Ponzi scheme of growth, regardless of how much it’s raising humanity’s carbon footprint.

  128. Thomasina says:
    @RoatanBill

    “How, exactly, does anyone force anyone else to procreate?”

    Incentives: welfare, EBT, subsidized housing, school lunches, free medical, free dental, etc. Nothing like churning out another kid every two to three years, sitting on welfare, and by the time you’re at kid number 5 or 6, twenty years have gone by. Of course, there’s five or six baby daddies, and the government does try to go after them, but to no avail – they’re not earning any income either, or they’re in jail. Not optimal, but, hey, they’ve got their keeds. I remember when Covid first hit, they had to open up the schools for free breakfasts and lunches because the kids weren’t getting fed without these programs. Take away these incentives and I can assure you these mothers would NOT be having children whenever they felt like it.

    That’s with the indigenous population. Let’s take a look at immigration. As TG said above, every time an immigrant comes, he frees up a space back in the home country for another baby to be born. I think I remember him mentioning the other day that since the U.S. went into Afghanistan (around 2001), the population of Afghanistan has DOUBLED. A big reason for this would be the aid (in the billions) that the U.S. was paying to the Afghan government. More money, more food, more babies.

    The food aid and medicine given to Africa (from policies instigated by the world’s elite) has been a big reason – perhaps the sole reason – for Africa’s population explosion. They like to tell us they did it because they were trying to be benevolent. Do I believe this? No. But it has made Big Ag and Big Pharma richer and that’s all the rich care about.

    The Ruling Elite have put in place policies (or have not corrected existing policies) such as birthright citizenship. People who maybe weren’t going to have another kid suddenly decide, once on U.S. soil, that maybe that would be a good idea. Incentives again! Then there’s family reunification; bring in all your relatives. You can really clear out a good portion of the Punjab, for instance, with policies like this. This creates a void that is quickly filled with more babies in the Punjab.

    This is only touching the surface. There are benefits paid just for having children. If you are in the lower tax bracket, these benefits can really add up.

    Worried about having more children in a foreign country, worried they won’t find employment? Not to worry, affirmative action will take care of that. Government set-asides for your family’s construction company.

    And lots of tax-free remittance money gets sent back to the home country, potentially allowing another baby to be born there. Mexico gets more money from remittances being sent home than they make off their oil.

    On and on it goes. The rich WANT a bigger population. They want more consumers for their products. They want the Third World built up and they want YOU to pay for it.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  129. Dumbo says:

    Is it just me, or as the Covid hysteria dies down a bit, the media has been trumpeting “climate change catastrophe” 24/7?

    What will they create next, “climate passports”? Perhaps you will need to prove that you don’t produce more than an x amount of CO2 to be allowed to travel or drive a car?

    I’m sorry, I don’t believe any of that. And as for overpopulation, I think it’s a problem that in general takes care of itself (hunger, plagues, wars, volcanos, whatever).

  130. “And, of course, even the IPCC avoided pointing the finger directly at the corporations and their obfuscating media for our dismal plight. It was a generalised, faceless “humanity” that was guilty: “Humanity, through its actions, or lack of action, has unequivocally overheated the planet.” That might come as a surprise to the Kalahari bushmen, or Aboriginal elders in Australia or many Bedouin tribes across the Middle East. Are they really as guilty as Bezos or Musk”

    Wonderful observation!

    They are always telling us, “It is up to each and every one of us to do our part to (fill in your own apocalypse: “stop global warming,” “stop deforestation,” “stop the extinction of species,” “cut down on our consumption,” etcetcetc).

    It is not up to each and every one of us. It is up to the billionaires. It might be up to each and every one of us to flay the billionaires alive. But they are at fault, not we, and they are the ones needing reform, not we.

  131. Charles says:

    Perhaps we should not be worried about the environment, ecosystems, over-population, et cetera. The late George Carlin said he cheered for disasters, earthquakes, sunspots, floods, mass-murderers and everything else destructive. His claim: when you’re born you get a ticket to the show. When you’re born in America you get a front-row seat. Enjoy the show.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  132. @Patriot

    You must be a shill for rich people.

    Because shills for rich people blame poor people, like you do.

    When it’s all, all rich people’s fault.

    You are 100% wrong.

    Cooke is 100% right.

    And I’m surprised he got away with suggesting socialist solutions to world problems on this troglodyte-massaging site.

  133. BorisMay says:
    @Athena

    Solar Minimums last an average of 11 years but have been known to last up to 14 years. We are 2 years in to this Solar Minimum consequently it will last from 9 to 12 years.

    Your statement is a gross exaggeration and suggests you are part of the Establishment and you enjoy deceiving the public. Shame on you.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  134. @mulga mumblebrain

    What do you say about Alex Cockburn’s cited fact that,during the Great Depression, fossil fuels consumption went down by a 25%, while global warming proceeded apace, without the slightest bump? Cut the name-calling, it doesn’t address the question.

    As long as we’re on Cockburn, I remember he said that global warming scares are excellent justifications for more nuclear power, and will be used as such.

    Personally, I think that nuclear power is worse than climate change. And thus, I think that, whether human-caused global warming is true or not, he is right.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  135. Alfred says:
    @BorisMay

    Solar Minimums last an average of 11 years but have been known to last up to 14 years. We are 2 years in to this Solar Minimum consequently it will last from 9 to 12 years.

    You are perfectly correct, but you misunderstood what is actually being discussed. Essentially, the solar cycle contains other cycles within it. Professor Zharkova has looked at the history and worked out how these “harmonics” operate. The current Solar Cycle seems to be incubating a Grand Solar Minimum. That is when these different minima coincide.

    Professor Valentina Zharkova Breaks Her Silence and CONFIRMS “Super” Grand Solar Minimum

  136. @CelestiaQuesta

    I can understand your frustration with the current system, but I can’t condone a physical attack on even the hoes and other non violent dirtbags in the society. There are other ways of dealing with them. The violent I’d kill on their first offense. I’d allow the victim to do the deed if they so choose, with the full understanding that if they don’t kill the POS that victimized them that they would be responsible for any future transgressions made by the proven predator.

    As far as that particular baby factory is concerned, I’d make sure she wouldn’t have time to squirt out any more mouths to feed as I’d cancel welfare and force her to either work for a living or die of starvation; her choice. Her kids are, so far, innocent victims of their mother. I don’t doubt that given their genetic inheritance, they will grow up to be a chip off the old block if for no other reason than intelligence is majorly inherited. However, taking things out on them for the actions of their parents is too much.

  137. Alfred says:
    @johnm33

    Takes a lot of heat to evaporate that much water

    Agreed. Maybe next summer? 🤣

  138. @Thomasina

    Please recall that I used the word force in my comment and that was because the comment I was replying to also used the word force.

    Incentives are not force.

    I agree with you 100% on the incentives and the utterly ridiculous policies of importing 3rd world peoples that can’t possibly function productively in a 1st world society.

    The US has put in place the worlds largest dirtbag magnet and regardless of which administration is in power, there is no significant change in policy. There are many who claim that it’s impossible to get rid of the illegals already in the country, but that’s just nonsense. Put real penalties in place and the illegals would deport themselves or starve to death.

    • Agree: Thomasina
  139. Miro23 says:
    @Charles

    His (George Carlin’s) claim: when you’re born you get a ticket to the show. When you’re born in America you get a front-row seat. Enjoy the show.

    He’s got a point there. I’ve been watching this US show from a second row seat (UK/ Europe) since the late 1960’s and there’s nothing like it. Who seriously would have guessed that the US of the 1960’s would morph into the US of 2021? There have been some high points (for example the development of digital computing and the internet) but mostly wrong decisions all the way.

    It takes a lot of seriously bad decisions to go from the world’s leading manufacturing economy (with a prosperous middle class that was a model for the world) to the present fractured, confused and indebted mess.

    I suppose that the curtain only comes down if the US breaks up – which is quite possible since the decision making isn’t improving.

  140. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    None of these doom and gloom predictions have come to pass. Ive heard them all my life. We have technologies that can get CO2 out of the air now. Search carbon capture.

  141. TKK says:
    @RoatanBill

    As I have written, one of the largest environmental problems the States faces is immigrants littering.

    This is real.

    Mexicans and Central Americans drop their trash at their feet. Check out the stories about their use of our National Parks to cook meth and grow pot and the industrial waste they are leaving behind that kills the birds and mammals.

    It made me physically sick to find masks, those ridiculous useless muzzles, choking a river mouth outside of Cody, Wyoming.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  142. R2b says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Maybe not.
    Hans R is passed away.
    Very impressive presentation.
    He is on to the facts.
    Point is, There is more.
    Prolly copu-rate is decreasing.
    Pray.

  143. MrE 3001 says:

    Climate change is a (((hoax))). If you are peddling it, you’re the opposition. Muh Science! Yeah, sure. CO2 works that way, totally. Retards around here still believe in nuclear weapons? Germ theory? Anyone bright enough to handle the problems with Maxwells equations, let alone Einsteinian crap? The satellites need microsecond corrections! Never mind the “Van Allen Belt”. Photos of the satellites? What are you, a science denier? Trust the science… er, kaballa, it’s never steered the jews wrong. Well, maybe 109 times, but those don’t count. Now shut up, roll up your sleeve, pay your taxes, and hate what we tell you to. Above all, never, ever do anything that would solve these problems. It would only take an long morning to rip out the cancer. And it would feel pretty good. No wonder Whites aren’t even allowed to identify ourselves, only be identified by our oppressors. We are actually that powerful, that terrifying to the patina of strength that is jewish power.

    The reincarnation of Hadrian walks among us.

  144. Agent76 says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    Well, “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

  145. @TKK

    Because I live on an island in the Caribbean and that island is Honduran territory, I understand completely about the littering issue. Sometimes I’m behind a police or military vehicle and I watch as bottles, cans, Styrofoam containers, etc are tossed out the window. It has gotten better over the years, but the police and military on the island are rotated in periodically and the new arrivals are just slobs.

    I’ve also noted that the Spanish speakers are the most self absorbed inconsiderate people I’ve ever met. They stop traffic to start a chat with a friend. They don’t even put their flashers on or provide any notice and don’t even pull over to let traffic pass. They just stop dead in the middle of the street to bullshit with someone they know. It is me, me, me in absolutely every aspect of their existence.

    The cab drivers on the island (all Spanish speakers from the mainland) are a major cause of accidents because they will pass on a blind curve and the island is nothing but curves. I also believe they purposely make their brake lights inoperable because there simply can’t be that many burned out brake lights. The vast majority of cab brake lights do not function at all and there doesn’t seem to be any sanction for this obvious safety issue.

    The culture (if one can use that term) is simply different to the extent that if one is standing in line at the bank, the person behind you will be literally touching you they are that into your space. They don’t get it and both the men and women wear enough cologne / perfume to make any normal person gag. They are scrupulously clean however.

    They’re just different.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  146. @Ron Unz

    Something I heard in a teaching company lecture that greatly shook my belief in global warming was that Greenland was so named by the Vikings in the Middle Ages because at that time there was no ice sheet over Greenland! The Middle Ages were an unusually warm period with high sea levels. I assume this is corroborated by science and not only the moniker of the place. Greenland was literally green!

    So if Greenland had no ice sheet in not so distant human history, how acute can the global temperature rise actually be if Greenland still has a considerable ice sheet at this time, although the guy in that video claims it is shrinking? How do we know this is not within the normal fluctuation of climate between the centuries?

    When I use this argument against leftists, the more intellectual variety, some of them seem to have heard it before and uncork the canned reply that “the Vikings named it that to engage in propaganda to attract settlers.” Thinking I suppose in analogy to the adds used by John law to attract settlers to the Louisiana territory, telling of lumps of gold on the beeches and rubies in the trees. But the Viking colonies were before the age of commercial colonization that occurred in early modern Europe. There was no export economy at that time. So it seems to me the leftists are engaging in sophistry and deception—they are not interested in the truth but rather creating solidarity for their cause.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @Alfred
  147. THE SKY IS FALLING!

    These neurotic fools would have their heads explode if they knew that their vegan foods (and their weed!) are grown in buildings that manufacture and artificially raise CO2 to levels that are 3-4 times higher than the atmospheric 400ppm.

    Why is there an almost perfect correlation between the fearful fools terrified by the flu and the cowardly cucks who believe that the sky is falling?

    • Thanks: Agent76
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  148. @Ron Unz

    Given it any name ‘you’ want, but I do detect changes in the pictures below;

    1946 [left]
    1976 [middle]
    2006 [right]

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  149. @Daniel Rich

    Hmmm picture doesn’t show up…

    Given it any name ‘you’ want, but I do detect changes in the pictures below;

    1946 [left]
    1976 [middle]
    2006 [right]

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  150. @Carlton Meyer

    I remember seeing Canadians in London (England) shivering in their soggy down jackets. “How can it be so cold at +2 degrees Celsius!” they exclaimed.

  151. @Zarathustra

    A minor point:
    “The gravity pull of the sun and the centrifugal force emanated from kinetic force of the earth.”
    is a poor description of reality. But let’s say we see what you mean.

    “These two forces never change so the orbit must be circular,”
    This is nonsense. At Earth’s aphelion, the “sun’s pull” is weaker; at perihelion, it is stronger. It changes.

    Similarly, Earth’s “kinetic force” is weaker at aphelion, and stronger at perihelion.

    Both “forces” change. The orbit is not circular.

    A major point:
    Your “God” is a primitive superstition.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Zarathustra
  152. @ricpic

    More and more humans, less and less everything else.

  153. @Zarathustra

    Why would you assume that the dust particles were “in the atmosphere”? Cannot they orbit the Earth, and yea, the Moon: in space?

    But let’s keep all the dust in the atmosphere. Most of it falls within a few years. But in those few years, the entire planet is blanketed in snow. The snow reflects the sun’s heat, Earth gets colder and stays colder for “thousands of years”. No, I’m not saying this is what happened, but you did ask.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  154. @Happy Tapir

    There’s a lot of junk out there. Your video guy isn’t telling the truth.
    The magic words are “Greenland ice cores”. These people are digging up ice to find out about the past. Check it out:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=greenland+ice+cores&t=hx&va=g&ia=web

    • Replies: @Happy Tapir
  155. @Daniel Rich

    It’s totally normal for glaciers to advance or recede; it’s just part of a natural cycle, like rivers flowing into the ocean and then being replenished by rain or snow. In fact, the series of pictures you posted shows an example of a very minor glacial movement. This will blow your mind, but only a few thousand years ago—a blink of the eye in geologic time—the northern tier of the US and nearly all of Canada were covered in a miles-thick ice cap. All that ice melted and it obviously wasn’t because of carbon dioxide emissions from factories and SUVs since there were no factories or SUVs at the time. Like I said, it’s a natural process. What’s more, that happened not once but many times throughout the history of the earth.

    You’re welcome for the education. Surely, you didn’t know any of that because if you did you wouldn’t be trying to alarm the rest of us. Unless, of course, you happen to be some kind of liberal cockroach who wants to use the “climate change” hoax to destroy the global economy and create a tyrannical world government that will make free men live in pods and eat bugs. Given that your name appears to be Jewish, that would not be entirely out of character. However, being a fair-minded man, I’ll just assume that, like the author of this piece, you’re an ignorant idiot.

  156. Jonathan Cook: definitely the lowest IQ of any Unz writer.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  157. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    What twaddle. Climate change (whatever is or is not “causing” it) poses no threat whatsoever to whatever group or class currently holds economic sway.
    Dealing with climate change is neither more nor less than another human (economic) activity. Never was, never will be, anything else.

  158. RestiveUs says:
    @Patriot

    — too many people!

    BINGO!

  159. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @CelestiaQuesta

    Women (girls) living in (family) environments they wish to escape from deliver babies as soon after their 16th birthday as they can. Why? Because, after Age 16, according to federal rules for the payment of welfare, mothers over 16 may receive the money themselves. Prior to that age, such money goes to a parent or guardian of said mother.
    If such payments could be discontinued, the birthing of babies for such purposes would drop off very sharply.
    Wouldn’t it?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  160. @Badger Down

    I find no relevant information in that link. Which one is not telling the truth? The ice core data, according to Wikipedia, say that there was a period in medieval Greenland when temperatures were higher than any subsequently and that’s what allowed the Norse to settle there.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  161. @Jett Rucker

    Do you really think a 16 year old has the fore thought to consider your scenario? Isn’t it more likely that she has a boyfriend that wants to get into her pants and she wants to hang on to him so she gives into his advances?

  162. @Badger Down

    Fist I have checked the Google it is nonsense it claims that fifth July earth is further away from the Sun, It is stupidity because cone of heat rays is narrower reaching the earth.
    So it is opposite.
    Otherwise you only described the second Kepler Law.
    The point i am making is that the Elliptical orbit of the Earth cannot be constant and it must change at each orbit.
    ………………………………………….
    So if you are smart as you presented yourself than tell me what force have determined the parameters of the constant ellipse.
    Only circular orbit can be constant.

  163. @Joe Wong

    You don’t seem to have bothered much about facts. The EU ans UK are cutting and taking further steps to cut greenhouse gas emissions, and many US states are taking much stronger steps than the national government. But China, already a rich country (well it builds ships, planes and missiles it doesn’t need except to be able to take Taiwan by force) builds hundreds of new coal fired power plants.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  164. @2stateshmustate

    Not agood test. Not all the fall was at freefall speed and it certainly wasn’t in to their own footprints. There were steel girders flying a hundred metres and more to the sides.

  165. Alfred says:
    @Happy Tapir

    So if Greenland had no ice sheet in not so distant human history, how acute can the global temperature rise actually be if Greenland still has a considerable ice sheet at this time, although the guy in that video claims it is shrinking? How do we know this is not within the normal fluctuation of climate between the centuries?

    Anyone who has studied geology knows that climate is cyclical. As someone here mentioned, seashells are to be found 15,000 feet above current sea-level. I have seen a fossilised forest in the desert just south of Cairo. I have seen dry waterfalls in the desert of Sinai.

    Petrified Forest Egypt

    Research shows that Greenland once had a climate similar to that of Denmark.

    Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable

    It is time to stop thinking linearly. Projecting the present into the future is a total con. The world does not work like that. Everything is cyclical. Our understanding of our environment is close to zero. We have no control over the global environment. Why does that fact scare so many people?

    • Agree: GMC
  166. GMC says:
    @Zarathustra

    Good synopsis of the far future – thanks . My wandering mind is always semi focused on the Weather Weapons being used for evil purposes and cosmic events in the near future that could/will destroy parts of the planet. Since most of our universe research is privy , only to the Governments and their financed “partners”, it’s hard to find anyplace on the web, who come clean with any substantial – Reality. Yes, I see the list of asteroids that will pass by, and the dates, but I think there is one really big hidden secret that can/will arrive.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  167. @Ray Caruso

    Ever heard of the Milankovich Cycles, imbecile? I doubt it. If do, then you are lying. You are a perfect example of the most vicious type of Rightwing thug, who, because of a perverted psychology, so hates other people that it works deliberately to stop the greatest catastrophe in history from being addressed, let alone remedied. That you add arrogance to your vicious idiocy is just the apotheosis of the Dunning-Kruger malevolence.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  168. @Stan d Mute

    I really think that the dumbest of ALL denialist Dunning-Krugerites are sub-morons like you that equate the entire Earth system with a series of greenhouses, where not just CO2 is controlled, but the temperature is stable and water and nutrients guaranteed. To think that scum like you are not just murdering billions, but all the dead, again, as you destroy the legacy, for good and ill, of all previous human generations, is enraging. You are the most Evil of all the Evil.

  169. @obwandiyag

    It’s just ever so slightly enraging that, when faced by the greatest catastrophe in human history, there are still hordes of imbecile ignoramuses peddling utter idiocies. disinformation and lies. Most are just hard Right morons, if you’ll pardon the tautology, who were told by their Thought Controllers that climate science is ‘Leftwing’, so are enthusiastically cutting all our throats, including those of their own spawn, for that warm, fuzzy, feeling, of repeating denialist industry crap that they do not even understand. What a way for a species that calls itself ‘sapiens’ to disappear.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @obwandiyag
  170. As a Hollywood script pitch, this would open with, “Think of Dr. Strangelove meets 2012.

    We could call it To Serve Man Humanity or Duty Now For the Future … and the tagline would read, “A sacrifice required for the future of the Human race.”

  171. Kali says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Hey, mumble brain,

    Do you really imagin that posting one ad hominem attack after another after another does anything at all to convince anyone at all of your pet theory?

    If you have “irrifutable” evidence that human-cause atmospheric CO2 at 1ppm is destabilising the whole planets climate then present it.

    Anything less is nothing but Hot Air, as they say, and only weakens your possition.

    Kali.

    (Oh, incidentally, the goddess Kali is the destroyer of demons/ego and is worshiped/revered as the Mother Goddess, as she represents Mother Nature., which ultimately destroys all that it brings into being. Go figue!)

  172. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    Two points here are that 1) the elite dialogue only concerns restrictions, such as reduced carbon use – nothing at all about habitat rebuilding 2) reforestation on this scale would put responsibility on individuals and corporations for use of their own private land – to plant trees in gardens and on farms.

    1) – The “elite’s” plan is obviously total global control over all nations and all people. Energy is the lifeblood of nations so once it’s put under supranational control it’s game over. People’s vote in those nations would also become irrelevant because their representatives would be powerless whether they’re sellouts or not. We can see a similar dynamic in the EU where the Hungarian elected officials are blasted by Brussels for following their people’s wishes to not get invaded by vibrant hordes. It’s basically illegal for them to represent their constituency.

    That’s why the “elite” insists that the CO2 scam is real and that the only solution (literally TINA) is for all the goyim to be ordered into gimp costumes. “You’ll own nothing and be happy”.

    2) The study was only taking into account completely unused land so no gardens, farms or even a patch of grass that might have been used for grazing occasionally. This means that only a tiny percentage of that land is in private or corporate hands. In any case, if some people can be convinced by the (((media))) to celebrate Pedo Tranny Library Hour, I’m sure a lot more would be happy to plant trees if given a chance. That’s why the MSM is not talking about it.

  173. @Ron Unz

    Ron, you have a strong sense of duty, and, despite the near despair about America that your American Pravda series suggests I believe the AGW issue offers you a chance to do more good for your country and mankind than even your English for the Children campaign. Possibly by a couple of orders of magnitude.

    The task is to assemble and direct capable analysts of the IPCC’s many models. Even applying the mathematical skills just of yourself, John Derbyshire, Razib Khan andorBalaji Srinivasan might achieve what is needed.

    I was alerted and reminded of the issue by one of the latest emails from Electroverse.net (“CapAllon” in Portugal compiles it). It linked quite a lot of material relating to a recent peer reviewed attack on the modelling. Have a look.

    A bit of background that will serve at least to support the seriousness of my suggestion.

    Some 12 or 15 years ago I sponsored (yes, paid for) a Conversazione entitled “Climate and its Discontents” over a couple of days and dinners for which the star turn on the warmist side was Professor David Karoly, a mathematician turned “climate scientist” of my acquaintance who by then had become one of the principal editors for the IPCC reports.

    He disappointed me. Although I did not know at that stage how very many mathematical models the IPCC gave weight to, nor enough detail of any of them to ask critical questions, I did pose what has always seemed to me a question which goes to the heart of the matter. Put one way the question is whether natural causes of climate change have been fully included in the modelling so as to exclude the necessity of CO2 emissions being the main cause of recent warming. The way I put it was to ask whether the models retropredicted climate change in the Anthropocene that brought about the drying out of the Sahara and collapse of the Egyptian First Kingdom, the collapse of the Indus Civilisation, the Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, Little Ice Age(s) etc.

    All I got in reply was vague hand waving assertions that the answer was – sort of – yes. But I suspect that is where the BS can be found. Of course the fact that there is 500times as much CO2 in the oceans as in the atmosphere is probably also a source of dodgy approximations.

    At the very least, Ron, you must have, almost across the road from you, a host of able young mathematicians who might cost nothing but thank you for inspiring the topic for a mini thesis. So, please go for it.

  174. @Badger Down

    I am sorry!
    I really do not like to knock down people.
    But what we have here is particles that have inherited kinetic energy from rotation of the earth.
    But in atmosphere they are subject to friction and soon that kinetic energy is exhausted, and these particles fall back to earth relatively quickly.
    Moon is slightly different because moon has no atmosphere. So there trajectory travel particles decays for considerable longer times, but even there the particles return to moon due gravity.

  175. @Happy Tapir

    We do not know. But there cold be a possibility that Golf stream has changed its path.

  176. @Ray Caruso

    but only a few thousand years ago . . the northern tier of the US and nearly all of Canada were covered in a miles-thick ice cap

    Yes, thanks for the mis-education. The last glacial period ended about 12,000 years ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  177. @Zarathustra

    I sat through a bullshit meeting telling me how I should start stress testing the portfolios I manage for climate change risk. I asked whether or not the stress testing would include a “global cooling” scenario, which generated a bit of laughter camong the other participants. I was told the acceptable scenarios were those behind Paris Accord as well as the warmer disaster scenario recently dropped like a bomb from the UN.

    Anyone paying attention to epochs of history knows we are in an interglacial warming period. It is also abundantly clear that there is a strong correlation between sunspots and global warming or cooling. If you’ve been paying attention, the peak sunspot numbers of the last several cycles have been in a downtrend. It is quite likely we are headed into an extended period of global cooling.

    I’m considering starting a new fund that invests in everything the greenies hate, like thermal coal, petroleum, and nuclear power generation, because the starving and freezing masses of the “Developed” world are going to flee the seriously overcrowded ESG trades for the return to common sense trades… and I’ll make it triple leverage just for kicks.

  178. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Since there is no climate apocalypse at this time, one can ride out the non-disaster anyplace.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  179. @The Alarmist

    The way I do see it the aversion to nuclear power will dissipate.
    There were some indication from Merkel.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @anon
  180. @Zarathustra

    Unnecessary idiocy. Too expensive, too dangerous, too slow, but a useful stalking-horse for fossil fuels in that it takes money away from renewables, the safest, most easily distributed to the poor, energy sources.

    • Replies: @anon
  181. @anon

    Spoken like a true denialist psychopath. Pig ignorant, or lying. Just so long as you are not drowned by record floods, buried in a landslide, consumed in a megafire, starving due to drought, pest spread or crop failure, you don’t give a damn. So long as your enemies- Other People, are suffering, you couldn’t give a stuff.

    • Replies: @anon
  182. @The Alarmist

    The same moronic gibberish that proves, yet again, that Rightwing omnicidists either cannot learn anything, or are simply fanatical lying enemies of Life on Earth. Another species, in fact. Homo thanatiens. The current Age, if you want to use the correct term, is the Anthropocene. It followed the ten thousand year Holocene, an inter-glacial caused by the Milankovitch Cycles (look it up, dullard), but was created by Man, as the name implies, by his agriculture, deforestation, and, recently emissions of greenhouse gases. An Epoch is longer than an Age, but shorter than a Period.
    Sunspots are a sign of solar activity, which also follows a cycle of about eleven years. The Sun is the prime driver of climate on Earth, but, get this cretin, IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. The forcing of anthropogenic greenhouse gases outweighs even the depth of a Maunder or Dalton size Minimum. Read the science, and be unenlightened. And, in fact, given positive feed-backs like warming seas and soils emitting greenhouse gases, melting permafrost and submarine methane clathrates, the albedo flip in the Arctic, emissions from mega-fires etc, the recent IPCC Report, like all the others, massively understated the true position, as seen in ever increasing weather disasters of magnitudes not seen in recorded history.
    I see that you are a capitalist parasite, if you’ll forgive the tautology. And a vicious Rightwing thug (no surprise) as your open hatred of Greens signals. Capitalists are metastases of the primary tumour, enemies of Life on Earth, lovers only of themselves and money. The type that would prefer the end of Life on Earth to the end of capitalism. The most Evil, not just ever, but ever possible, creatures that have existed-but not for much longer, like the rest of us.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  183. anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    If by “renewables” you mean inefficient windmills and Chines-made solar panels plus lithium batteries, they are not so safe.

    Windmill blades are made of a special fiberglass due to weight considerations. They cannot be recycled, and so when replaced every few years some more long pieces of fiberglass go into a landfill. Probably there is no long term harm to water supplies, but an endlessly growing landfill isn’t the best idea.

    Solar panels contain not just silicon, but also lead, cadmium and other elements that we need to keep out of our soil and water. Replacement every 10 to 15 years means that they have to go somewhere, and a landfill is out of the question due to possible water contamination. However, that’s where many are winding up.

    Lithium batteries have a useful life, and then they do not work very well anymore. Theoretically lithium batteries can be shredded for the lithium metal, but in fact most of the used ones are going into landfills. At least lithium is not a toxic metal, although there are traces of other metals in the batteries including rare earths such as cobalt that are not good in the water supply.

    Kerosene, also known as diesel fuel, is actually a safer store of energy in the broader scope.

    Now, I command you to foam at the mouth and write a semi random collection of words to demonstrate what an anger filled troll you are.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  184. anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Since there is no climate apocalypse at this time, one can ride out the non-disaster anyplace. However, one might want to choose a safe place to ride out the endless growth of government power thanks in part due to panic-stricken mobs of ignorant, screaming Luddites.

    Now I command you to hastily type a semi random stream of words with minimal meaning.

  185. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    Merkel is no longer relevant. Europe is no longer relevant. The PRC is building dozens of power planets. Some fueled by coal, others by natural gas, some nuclear. China has had its own nuclear program for decades. India and Indonesia continue to push research into the Thorium fuel cycle, in order to get reliable electricity with minimal active oversight. It would be better for the world if China adopted a reliable Thorium cycle and quit building light water reactors, but that’s not for anyone else to decide.

    Anyway, nuclear research does not rely on Europe or the US anymore. That’s why Merkel is irrelevant.

    Now, I command mulga scramblebrain to spew bile all over his keyboard in incoherent, ignorant, hate-filled rage.

  186. @mulga mumblebrain

    The only comfort I have is that when I bring the world to an end through my evil capitalist denier impulses, I’ll take a few million virtuous but bitter souls like you with me.

    Seriously dude, the planet is going to do what the planet will do. We are just a carbon infestation.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  187. @anon

    The issues you raise are not ridiculous but your credibility as a participant in debate is ruined by your calling cobalt a rare earth and kerosene “diesel fuel”. Happily Australia can, more than most countries, afford politicians’ expensive mistakes to include the many ways in which it could blunder in making itself a renewable (and maybe nuclear) super power. I think it probably correct to say that Australia,blessed with lots of uranium, doesn’t need to go beyond wind, solar and maybe tidal or wave despite the intermittent problem not being solved perfectly yet.

    • Replies: @anon
  188. @mulga mumblebrain

    You’re actually sanctimonious and megalomaniacal enough to think that you can control the climate of the planet. Nothing more really needs to be said. You are even simpler than the Bible thumpers – at least they have an imaginary sky fairy to perform their magic tricks. You have nothing but empty magical thinking.

    I would feel sorry for you, but you’re a totalitarian cunt so fuck off.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  189. @anon

    You are pretty well informed so I count on you to get behind my request to Ron at #176 to tackle something infinitely more important than the question whether Mossad or Osama bin Laden was the cause of and great winner out of 9/11, or any of his other great American Pravda nystery stories.

  190. @The Alarmist

    See my #176 and now [provisionally numbered] #191 and please support.

  191. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    your credibility as a participant in debate is ruined by your calling cobalt a rare earth

    You are correct that cobalt is not a rare earth. I wrote carelessly.

    calling … kerosene “diesel fuel”.

    What is the difference between kerosene #1 and kerosene #2?

    http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/industrial/difference-between-kerosene-and-diesel/

    Is your credibility ruined now? Or did you just write carelessly?

    Australia has at this time the majority of open-pit mines producing lithium. Definitely a renewable resource, as this pic clearly shows.

  192. @mulga mumblebrain

    I told you not to name-call and all you do is name-call.

    You did not address the question. A serious question. Posed by a hard-core left-winger.

    I’m starting to think you are the way they characterize you on here. All you have is name-calling, because you can’t really defend your point.

  193. @mulga mumblebrain

    Moreover.

    You think the left wing is better than the right wing.

    Apparently, you haven’t got the memo. Also known as The Clarification.

    To wit: “The left wing is just as bad as the right wing, and the worst of the left wing are even worse than the worst of the right wing, and that’s really bad.”

    Get hep to the modern world the way it is, not the way you wish it was.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  194. @RoatanBill

    Southeast Asians are like that. Inconsiderate of others. Like a family of ten having a lengthy conversation in front of the door, escalator, lift, oblivious to others wanting to get in or out. Mind you they are considerate of pedestrians jaywalking in the middle of the road. You can literally walk amongst the traffic and cars will be zig zagging around you, stopping inches from you, and no driver will be annoyed with you, let alone the cops, and you can cross roads anywhere no matter the colour of the traffic light without bothering to look left or right.

  195. @Stan d Mute

    Stan, I do love how dumb your type are. Truly bottom of the barrel stuff. It is not I who is controlling the climate of the planet-it is all of us. Seven billion ‘Is’. our type more than me, I’d bet, and much more than the poor billions. The science is basic, high-school stuff, but too hard for you.

  196. @anon

    As ever, pig ignorant, with apologies to pigs. China is the world’s leading producer of renewable energy. It is also going full ahead with fission, thorium and fusion-research still in the last. And more efficient coal, with emissions being utilised, in some cases, as feed-stock for various processes. And they are by far the greatest producers of cement, with its heavy emissions output. All of which they have vowed to reduce, then cease by 2060.
    The Chinese Government is a meritocracy, and there are NO climate destabilisation deniers in Government in China. You would have trouble being selected as a garbage collector. Yet you think yourself a genius. So very sad, but so very deadly.

    • Troll: restless94110
    • Replies: @anon
  197. @2stateshmustate

    Controlled demolition, as everybody not brainwashed knows. Next question.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  198. @mulga mumblebrain

    Dunning and Kruger are turning over in their graves at your anthropogenic bilge. Since China does not care or believe in the man-made climate change hoax, you should move there where they will immediately institutionalize you if you write and speak the crazy like you do now.

    They would disappear you into a re-education camp, and then, finally Dunning and Kruger will be able to rest again.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  199. @mulga mumblebrain

    What about the obvious problem with his test question that the Towers didn’t fall into there own footprints as I pointed out, not for the first timeat #167?

    A different sort of test question which is a test of how long UR truthers will go on ignoring it. It is how come the timing of and levels at which the buildings being struck and later collapsing was entirely consistent with the cause being first, weakening of a few floors of steel supports by fires, and, second, the first to fall having the weight of twice as many floors above its crash level? The true genius of the planners was to ensure that the planes struck at exactly the right levels to correspond with the prepaid explosives so both buildings would be seen to start their collapses at the level where the plane was seen to strike.

  200. @Badger Down

    I have never did claim that Earth orbit is circular.
    If you have some serious knowledge in Physics (what I do doubt) then read all my theory and than state your objections.

  201. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Godfree Roberts posting under another name, or just a wannabe?

    Laughable either way.

    But obedient to my instruction, so perhaps can be trained in something useful. Perhaps.

  202. @Wizard of Oz

    Tell us all about Oswald and his ‘Magic Bullet’, you fatuous dullard.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  203. @restless94110

    Now, now feckless-adding lies, or just the old pig ignorance, to a hint of Sinophobic racism, always are favourite on the cretin Right. The Chinese Government and academia FULLY endorse the science, which is why China is installing more renewables and electric vehicles than any other country and furiously reforesting etc, to forestall the catastrophe, if possible. If you don’t know that-ignorant dullard. If you do-lying dullard. It’s always the choice with denialists.

  204. Feckless? What is that?
    Pig Ignorance? What do pigs have to do with it?
    Sinophobic racism? Is that when you are an American?
    The cretin Right? What is a cretin on the right and why?
    The Chinese Government builds one coal-fired plant PER DAY. So yes, they endorse the real science: nothing about the fact that hoax climate change loonies say is true
    Electric vehicles are clearly not viable.
    I want you to move immediately to China so that you can be institutionalized and reeducated.

    Good luck to you, booby.

  205. @Wizard of Oz

    Assuming you have not accidentally replied to the wrong person I think the nature of your Comment entitles me seriously to inquire what medication you are on.. I have noticed somewhat sadly on UR threads intelligible comments from people who are obviously not irredeemably stupid descending over time into pretty good proofs of alcoholism or mental illness which is not entirely under control. I’m afraid you will have to do something about getting your medication right, and maybe adding plenty of healthy exercise, if you are not to find your comments increasingly counter-productive to whatever your purposes might be.

    You can see, I trust, that your reference to the JFK assassination is bizarrely OT.

  206. @mulga mumblebrain

    As a scourge of denialists you will see the logic of attacking Ron Unz’s indifferent skepticism so I call on you to support me in my #176 request to Ron that he do something about it that he is exceptionally well qualified to do. Also, if you could link me to any reliable commentaries on Electroverse.net and, in particular what it says or links about the Earth’s magnetism, power outages by 2024 and IPCC modelling I should be grateful.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  207. @mulga mumblebrain

    Nonsense bilge from a fool. China installing coal plants are renewables? Wow, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the latest news.

    Good that China is reforesting because elevated CO2 levels will make that far easier.

    I don’t know what is always the choice of dullards, as the top dullard on Unz you will have to tell me what your top choice is. It sounds like your top choice is to name call endlessly and spout ritzy sounding terms like Dullard-Kinsy Effects or anthropogenic affectations which probably sound great at your cocktail parties.

    You are so insane there’s just no talking to you, but you are like the Energizer bunny and you just keep running your mouth around.

    I don’t bother to even read what you say anymore since you have said it all over and over again incessantly. It’s like a junkyard dog barking at the moon.

    There’s nothing you have to say about anything that is of any interest to anyone, especially me.

    Go with God.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  208. @Ray Caruso

    However, being a fair-minded man, I’ll just assume that, like the author of this piece, you’re an ignorant idiot.

    Where I come from, a fair-minded man sees differences, but never any superiority, based upon such presumed differences.

  209. @restless94110

    I do love how moronic, pig ignorant, brainwashed denialists simply deny REALITY, then spew their puerile lies at their betters, who know what is going on. Evil and sub-moronic-Homo sapiens in all its glory.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  210. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Indifferent scepticism’ where the fate of all humanity rests in the balance, and the science has been solid and settled, in the scientific sense, for decades, is moral insanity. Particularly as the climate and weather disasters accelerate, and begin to impinge of global food supplies.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  211. @gar manarnar

    Do you ever stop to wonder why you, you bashful genius, can see through the whole dweadful business so easily, guided by your denialist industry Thought Controllers, while every Academy of Science, every scientific society and 98% of actively researching climate scientists, cannot see your genius revelations? Why are you so clever, and tens of thousands of scientists so stupid?

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
    , @gar manarnar
  212. @mulga mumblebrain

    When I see you have posted, I start to read, and then, suddenly, the words turn into mush and it is just blah-blah-balh-blah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balhblah-blah-balh.

    I know you aren’t saying anything rational or relevant. It’s just more of the same with you.

    Move to China, buddy, they have a room waiting for you. Stop irritating the adults.

  213. @mulga mumblebrain

    So you will ask Ron (politely) to act on my #176 request?
    Do you have any (and, if so, what) scientific qualifications which make your”the science has been solid and settled, in the scientific sense, for decades” a statement that is backed by your personal expertise?

    Also, you seem to imply that climate and weather disasters are already accelerating. Studies of the incidence and impact of hurricanes (apart from the consequences of overpopulation) don’t appear to show that but perhaps you can point to sources for any such implication as I detect.

  214. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are a perfect example of the most vicious type of Rightwing thug, who, because of a perverted psychology, so hates other people that it works deliberately to stop the greatest catastrophe in history from being addressed, let alone remedied.

    You and other liberal cockroaches can’t change the climate. You think you can because you are both arrogant and stupid, which is also why you think you can change an individual’s gender and make low-IQ savages fit to live in a technological society. Anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions were obviously not the cause of the many past climate changes the Earth has undergone and it’s not the cause of the present one either—doubly so since that one is imaginary and only evidenced by liberal cockroach “climate scientists” fudging data for fun and profit.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  215. @gar manarnar

    Do you actually think “12 is not few” is a good argument? There’s that 82-average Indian IQ striking again. I do believe I would commit suicide if I belonged to a race whose average IQ is three points lower than that of African-Amricans. At the very least, I’d shut the fuck up.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  216. @mulga mumblebrain

    Every “Academy of Science” is beholden to liberal cockroach politics. You’re apparently not smart enough to understand that each academic institution becoming so beholden is not an independent event but the inevitable outcome of a rigged game since the same factors, especially funding, apply to all of them. Therefore, it’s in no way a surprise that all of them push the same lies, not only on “climate change” but also on “equity”, feminism, transgenderism, covidism, the “Holocaust”, and on every other issue liberal cockroaches consider important to their agenda.

    My having to state the foregoing to you means you are very stupid, very dishonest, or both.

  217. @mulga mumblebrain

    #209 was my reply to this bizarre irrelevance.

  218. @mulga mumblebrain

    So what, you believe that 98% of scientists think that global warming is caused by sunspots? Please read the comments first before responding.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  219. @Ray Caruso

    Looks like your comment was meant for another column, my comment has nothing to do with IQ.

  220. @Ray Caruso

    . . on second thought, it looks like you actually were trying to respond to me, although I have no idea what this means :

    Do you actually think “12 is not few” is a good argument?,

    or what gave you the idea I was Indian (is that American or East Indian?).

  221. @gar manarnar

    Sunspots, ie solar activity, contributes to climate variability. BUT, it’s not the only factor. Is that simple enough for you?

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  222. @Ray Caruso

    Is there anything in the multiverse more repellent that a moronic, paranoid, Rightwing thug? Insulting people who are so much their superior in every way that it defies description.

    • Replies: @anon
  223. @Wizard of Oz

    A typically moronic Dunning-Krugerite observation. Everybody needs personal expertise to comment logically on a subject. That would keep the well-informed and intelligent observer, who trusts the work of tens of thousands of disinterested scientists, confirmed from reality, silent, leaving the field to gibbering, bigoted, imbeciles like you. No chance. I did High School science, more than enough to help one follow the ensuing debate, and spot the ignorant, ideologically fanatical, cretins.

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  224. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Is there anything in the multiverse more repellent that a moronic, paranoid, Rightwing thug?

    Got a mirror?

  225. @Wizard of Oz

    So no constructive answer.
    Nothing about the project I have urged on Ron Unz.

    Your only answer is abuse and to claim the sufficiency of your “high school science. I have a little more than that and enough life experience to leave a little doubt about the “disintrrested” character of those thousands of scientists and of the reviewing of their work. True, except among physicists I find that most of the great and good amongst scientists share your naiveté. That is why rigorous analysis of the models is critical.

  226. @mulga mumblebrain

    So no constructive answer.
    Nothing about the project I have urged on Ron Unz.

    Your only answer is abuse and to claim the sufficiency of your “high school science. I have a little more than that and enough life experience to leave a little doubt about the “disintrrested” character of those thousands of scientists and of the reviewing of their work. True, except among physicists I find that most of the great and good amongst scientists share your naiveté. That is why rigorous analysis of the models is critical.

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  227. You behave as Gypsies! You have no clue about physics. But you pretend that you know everything.
    It is near the times when lack of resources supporting humans will diminish to such an extent that people will be killing each other for slice of bread or glass of water.

  228. And this just in:

    New Study: 62 km² (+6%) Net Expansion In 100s Of Pacific-Indian Ocean Island Shorelines From 2000-2017

    By Kenneth Richard on 30. August 2021
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    A global-scale analysis of 221 islands in the tropical Pacific and Indian Oceans reveals “a predominantly stable or accretionary trend in the area of atoll islands worldwide” throughout the 21st century. The Maldives islands alone expanded by 37.5 km² from 2000 to 2017.

    In other words, nothing is disappearing from nowhere. This entire article is nonsense.

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  229. @restless94110

    So, tell us, Dunning-Kruger, where is all the ice melt from glaciers, on Greenland, Antarctica and mountains, going? Feel free to be hysterically inventive. I note that your little idiocy has no references-Watts Up with That, perhaps. About your intellectual level.

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  230. @gar manarnar

    Obviously not simple enough for a simpleton.

  231. @WIzard of Oz

    So, the denialist hardcore’s favourite response when faced by the gigantic, near universal, global consensus. All the scientists are liars, on the take for their gigantic salaries. The response of a nassty, little, paranoid ‘mind’. The models ARE rigorously analysed, over and over again. Your pathopsychological projection is noted, and nauseating.

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  232. @mulga mumblebrain

    So, tell us, Dunning-Kruger, where is all the ice melt from glaciers, on Greenland, Antarctica and mountains, going? Feel free to be hysterically inventive. I note that your little idiocy has no references-Watts Up with That, perhaps. About your intellectual level.

    Don’t have the slightest idea who those people are. Don’t care.

    I shared a report on what is called a scientific study. It shows the growth of atolls in the Indian and Pacific Oceans over the past 20 years, something that has been reported many times over the past 10 years.

    And you are asking me where the ice went? Hmm, well, let’s see……ah, took about 20 seconds., Here:

    The Most Inconvenient Region On The Planet For Global Warming Alarmists: Antarctica Sees Growing Sea Ice

    By P Gosselin on 28. August 2021

    Welp, that takes care of Antarctica. Let’s see…..Greenland? Ah…..here ya go:

    New Study: Retreating East Greenland Glaciers Uncover Plant Debris Dating To The 16th – 17th Centuries

    By Kenneth Richard on 19. August 2021
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    Exposed moss and willow shrubs buried beneath today’s receding East Greenland glaciers can be dated to 400 to 500 years ago, suggesting this period (the early Little Ice Age) was as-warm or warmer than today.

    In other words, it doesn’t matter what Greenland is doing because it’s all been done before long before humans could affect the climate.

    As for the mountains? I have no idea. I just report the facts, I don’t measure them.

    It’s obvious that whatever is changing has nothing to do with humans and things have been changing throughout the billion year life of the world.

    Pretending that humans do change and can change the weather? It’s arrogant. It’s deluded.

    But it’s even better than that: we could burn fossil fuels for the next 100 years and nothing at all would happen that would not have happened if humans were not in existence,. Our footprint is insignificant.

    And given the extraordinary advances in human prosperity that have been made possible by fossil fuels? There’s no point and acting the fool and screaming hysterically and name calling. as you love to do.

    China knows this. That’s why they build 100s of coal plants.

    The article is stupid. Things aren’t going to disappear. They are building more and more resort hotels on The Maldives as the shoreline expands (not shrinks). Millions are spent building these resorts. They, like Obama, know that the seas aren’t rising. When will you know it, you parapetic biddy?

  233. @mulga mumblebrain

    There are many models producing very different results even including only those cited by the IPCC. How does the rigorous analysis deal with the huge differences? Do you know any scientist or mathematician who has done any of the rigorous analysis? What do you say to the recent highlighting of a criticism of the IPCC’s modelling by scientists publicised by Electroverse.net?

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  234. @restless94110

    Maybe not so! Increased temperatures of the atmosphere can hold increased volumes of vapor.

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  235. @Ray Caruso

    That’s not a response to my argument that “academies of science” are corrupted by liberal politics, which is patently true. You’re not smart enough to come up with an actual response. All you can do is a put on a display of female hysterics.

  236. @Zarathustra

    Increased temperatures? Since it was warmer in 1931 than it is now, what the devil are you talking about, Willis?

    What would holding increased volumes of vapor mean to anyone?

    I don’t understand your comment. It is incoherent

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  237. @Wizard of Oz

    There is a saying-‘All models are wrong, but some are useful’. Over the decades climate models have been improved, and rigorously tested, including retrospectively to see if they concur with actual historical conditions. Computer power has vastly increased, and the number of observations that can be used as inputs has grown hugely, with Argo buoys, satellites and paleo-climate proxies like ice-cores, coral cores, tree rings etc, also included.
    So the models have greatly improved, but as climate and weather are chaotic systems we will always have the problem of sensitivity to initial conditions, the notorious Butterfly Effect. But science is vastly preferable to denialist industry garbage like the Electroverse. And why not just open your eyes and take in the rapidly destabilising climate as evidenced by horrific weather extremes, every single day.

  238. @restless94110

    Antarctic sea ice grows as the loss of ice from the ice-sheets increases, as it is doing. That fresh water floats on top of the sea-water, and freezes more readily, thus is a sign of climate change. As is greater snow-fall on the continent, as a result of the exacerbation of the hydrological cycle. The same reason that rainfall is increasing, and extreme deluges proliferating, worldwide.
    Of course the Greenland ice-sheet has waxed and waned over the millennia. Indeed there have been occasions when the ice-sheet disappeared in a few decades, secondary, so it is thought, to the loss of Arctic sea ice, the consequent albedo flip and northern ‘amplification’. So Greenland may lose much of its ice cover, which we know is occurring, raising global sea levels by metres, perhaps only in a few decades. Moreover, and I do hope the complexity doesn’t tax both your neurons, the cold water pooling near Greenland seems to be disrupting the AMOC, and the Gulf Stream, which will throw Europe into an Ice Age-I’m sure that will please you.
    To deny that humanity has massively affected the planet, including the climate, is so totally stupid that one is always left gob-smacked by the cretinism of it all. Human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 from 280 ppm to 420 ppm, and 490 ppm eq if methane, nitrous oxide and novel gases are included, a massive forcing that basic physics says MUST increase planetary temperatures and climate instability, all other factors being unchanged. You denialists love to spew moronic gibberish that volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than mankind, when, in fact, humanity produces c.100 times as much as volcanoes, on average. But, if you’re going to tell a lie, tell a Big One, eh Adolph. I suppose you’re just too dumb to realise when you’re being manipulated. As I’ve observed, it is ironic that H. ‘sapiens’ is being destroyed by H. cretinensis, but I’ve known the relationship between Evil and stupidity, and Rightwing politics, since childhood.

  239. @mulga mumblebrain

    You draw attention to an interesting fact, namely, that sea water freezes at 28.4°F as against 32 for fresh water. It is possible to see how this might be the principal reason that the ice around Antarctica, at least superficially, is increasing, but can you give
    sources for asserting that it is so? And has anyone calculated the value of the offsetting albedo effect?

    Oh yes, btw, what do the models make of the fact that the greenhouse effect
    of CO2 increases only logarithmically with density of CO2 in the atmosphere?

  240. @mulga mumblebrain

    Antarctic sea ice grows as the loss of ice from the ice-sheets increases, as it is doing. That fresh water floats on top of the sea-water, and freezes more readily, thus is a sign of climate change. As is greater snow-fall on the continent, as a result of the exacerbation of the hydrological cycle. The same reason that rainfall is increasing, and extreme deluges proliferating, worldwide.

    As for Antarctica:

    Minimum sea ice extent has remained steady over the past 4 decades. But both the mean and maximum sea ice extents have risen, meaning more ice at the South Pole.

    More ice of course only forms when the temperature drops. Global warming has yet to reach the South Pole. This is one of the most inconvenient regions on the planet for the global warming alarmists.

    So there is no connection to loss of ice from some unknown ice sheet. It’s the temperature. Climate change is a meaningless term since climate changes all the time. Greater snowfall means the earth is cooling not warming. There are no extreme deluges in the world that were any more so than in the past. In fact deluges in the past were far more extreme than anything seen today.

    Of course the Greenland ice-sheet has waxed and waned over the millennia. Indeed there have been occasions when the ice-sheet disappeared in a few decades, secondary, so it is thought, to the loss of Arctic sea ice, the consequent albedo flip and northern ‘amplification’.

    Disappeared for centuries. It is not thought to be anything other than temperatures once were far warmer than they are now.

    So Greenland may lose much of its ice cover, which we know is occurring, raising global sea levels by metres, perhaps only in a few decades.

    Sea levels are not rising anywhere but even if they do they will just be repeating a cycle of different sea levels throughout the history of the world and has nothing to do with humans. Humans will adapt to any sea level changes which look to be only important in about 500 years.

    Moreover, and I do hope the complexity doesn’t tax both your neurons, the cold water pooling near Greenland seems to be disrupting the AMOC, and the Gulf Stream, which will throw Europe into an Ice Age-I’m sure that will please you.

    Europe will be thrown into an Ice Age because of minimal sun spot activity which is the true driver of cooling (and warming). The Gulf Stream is not completely understood what drives it and why it changes whereas the sun spots theory has been proven and again nothing that insignificant humans can do about it. Move on to a different hobby.

    To deny that humanity has massively affected the planet, including the climate, is so totally stupid that one is always left gob-smacked by the cretinism of it all.

    To claim that humanity has massively affected the planet, including the climate, is so totally arrogantly stupid that one is always left gob-smacked by the cretinism of it all.

    Human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 from 280 ppm to 420 ppm, and 490 ppm eq if methane, nitrous oxide and novel gases are included, a massive forcing that basic physics says MUST increase planetary temperatures and climate instability, all other factors being unchanged.

    Most of warming is caused by the largest greenhouse gas, water vapor, higher CO2 is good for life on Earth, methane dissipates very quickly and is insignificant, physics doesn’t say anything about your personal little theory of massive forcing whatever that is. If planetary temps increase that would be the best thing for human beings ever and increased temperatures do not equate to climate instability which is a nonsense phrase. The climate is unstable and will always be and humans have nothing to do with it and cannot do anything about it.

    You denialists love to spew moronic gibberish that volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than mankind, when, in fact, humanity produces c.100 times as much as volcanoes, on average.

    There is solid evidence that as the Solar Minimum progresses there will be more volcanic activity and more earthquakes, so at this time there isn’t enough volcanic activity to care about. The largest producer of green house gases is the Earth’s vegetation far dwarfing human-produced.

    But, if you’re going to tell a lie, tell a Big One, eh Adolph. I suppose you’re just too dumb to realise when you’re being manipulated. As I’ve observed, it is ironic that H. ‘sapiens’ is being destroyed by H. cretinensis, but I’ve known the relationship between Evil and stupidity, and Rightwing politics, since childhood.

    It sounds like you’re still in your childhood. Or maybe your 2nd or 3rd childhood. You seriously need to get a different hobby and calm down. No one is being destroyed by no one (unless there is a nuclear war). My name is not Adolph and I am neither left nor right wing. Science reports I see and share are not lies and I am not being manipulated. Once again,you have just projected yourself–the above is a perfect description of you (with minor variations). It’s certainly not Capital-E evil to look for truth to help make sense of the world.

    Your suppositions are nonsensical and your name calling reveals a very emotional person who can’t think straight thus is so easily manipulated. Add that severe righteous arrogance you continually display and you have a total mess of a human. It’s understandable that climate change for you is a religion not based on fact but only on faith, and when you see someone questioning it you would act exactly the way that you do.

    But that just proves that it is a religion and you should find a different one. You might want to move to The Maldives, and sit on the beach watching it grow year by year. You could avoid most of the Global Minimum that Europe will be going through for the next 10 years or so.

    Yeah, bud, take a breather.. Get your heart rate down. Find something else to believe in. I’d suggest you get involved in regenerative agriculture, permaculture, and raising ruminant animals as the best thing for you at this time.

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  241. @Wizard of Oz

    Oh yes, btw, what do the models make of the fact that

    The models are wildly inaccurate all of them. Even the model makers have recently admitted that. Faith in models is no better and far worse than faith in Jesus. Not based in science.

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  242. @restless94110

    Typical examples are hurricanes. They start in tropical areas where in form of vapor they do pick up large amount of water because of temperature. Than they move north. As temperature in hurricane decreases, it deposits large amount of water causing floods over large areas.
    There is proof for you.
    (It is not so complicated.)

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  243. @Zarathustra

    There is proof for you.
    (It is not so complicated.)

    Proof of what exactly?

    You do realize don’t you that 100 years ago there were huge hurricanes, right?

    Your partial description of what happens to generate and drive hurricanes are a big so what since that is what has been happening for 1,000s of years, It’s nothing new, it’s been as strong and as numerous many times before, and thus it has nothing to do with humans.

    Go to Galveston in 1900 for more info.

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  244. @restless94110

    I would estimate that there is at least hundred times more water in atmosphere than in all icebergs.
    That is all.

  245. I would estimate that there are 2 cups of sugar in every gallon of Kool-Aid,

    That is all.

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  246. @restless94110

    Don’t lie feckless-it suits you too well. Not ALL models are ‘wildly inaccurate’. Some are very good at predicting events, and they are constantly improving. I know that in your anti-scientific Rightwing death-cult, scientific advance is banned. Everything stays rigidly the same in the dullard’s mind, because it cannot learn, and never, ever admit error. Thus the cretin lives forever in a dark, subterranean, world, as around it knowledge progresses.

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  247. @restless94110

    You are the most perfect example of a Rightist twat that I’ve seen for some time. Your gibberish is entirely incorrect, the product of the brainwashing of a dullard mind by cynical, Evil and criminal denialist industry propagandists, and you are too dumb to realise it-the perfect Dunning-Krugerite. Against you and your imbecile friends, the entire global scientific community and reality. I’d say go to Hell, but that’s guaranteed for us all, thanks to monsters like you.

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  248. @Wizard of Oz

    Wiz, why do you imagine that tens of thousands of climate scientists, whose work is supported by ALL the Academies of Science, scientific societies and countries (for what the last is worth) have not answered your questions? Why are you ignoring the rapid acceleration of climate and weather disasters, worldwide? Are you frightened-I certainly am. Antarctic sea ice extent varies greatly-it hit a record low in 2017. The climate is destabilising into chaos, because it is a dynamic system with multiple forcings, the one of which we might have brought under control being anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. Pity that the fossil fuel industry, that declared the climate science ‘solid’ as long ago as the sixties, prefers its profits to their own children’s lives. That’s capitalist Evil for you.

  249. @mulga mumblebrain

    Don’t lie feckless-it suits you too well.

    Don’t name-call, banshee–though it suits you too well.

    Not ALL models are ‘wildly inaccurate’.

    Incorrect. ALL models are “wildly inaccurate.”

    Some are very good at predicting events, and they are constantly improving.

    None are. Name one that is “improving” and is “very good.” Name it and reference it.

    I know that in your anti-scientific Rightwing death-cult, scientific advance is banned.

    Your continual name calling is stupid and tiring. I am pro-science. I am neither left nor right wing. I am for life and repelled by any kind of death cult. There have been a host of scientific advances that have been banned–by the climate alarmists, such as yourself.

    Everything stays rigidly the same in the dullard’s mind, because it cannot learn and never, ever admit error.

    And that is a perfect description of you. You are so great at projecting yourself. A true and probably your only talent.

    Thus the cretin lives forever in a dark, subterranean, world, as around it knowledge progresses.

    Again, you are apparently describing your life. The only thing I would quibble with is that you are calling yourself an it. Is it one of your personal pronouns? Why would you think of yourself as an it? I mean, living in a dark, subterranean world? Isn’t that bad enough? And now you have reduced yourself to an it?

    I pity you, Your High Priestness. Your religion seems like a desolate and hopeless creed. There is no salvation and certainly no joy and humor of any kind.

    Why your religion really resembles, hmmm: Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge; The Red Guard in China; Stalin’s murder of the kulacks in the name of theory. In fact, your behavior mimics those murderous ideological movements completely, including your constant threats to me that I will be brought before tribunals and “punished.”

    Pol Pot got nothing on you, baby. Tik Toc. Guess what happened to the first to make those kinds of moves? Hint” they all got eliminated during the succeeding waves. That’s the way those mob rule movements do, boobie.

    So be careful of how you think and what you wish for. You just might get it.

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  250. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are the most perfect example of a Rightist twat that I’ve seen for some time.

    Since I’m not a Rightist, you are delusional.

    Your gibberish is entirely incorrect, the product of the brainwashing of a dullard mind by cynical, Evil and criminal denialist industry propagandists, and you are too dumb to realise it-the perfect Dunning-Krugerite.

    Nothing you have just said is based in any kind of reality of evidence and is instead based solely on your highly emotional, hysterical opinion, While you have a right to “feel” that way, that has nothing to do with reality, of which you are severely out of touch.

    Against you and your imbecile friends, the entire global scientific community and reality.

    How on Earth would you know what my “friends” think about anything? Answer: you don’t. The entire scientific community and reality itself is totally opposed to everything you stand for.

    I’d say go to Hell, but that’s guaranteed for us all, thanks to monsters like you.

    Since you so thoroughly believe that, why not save time and just go to Hell right now? You will be doing us all a big favor, boobie. Do it. Do it. —Ben Stiller in Starsky and Hutch.

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  251. @restless94110

    Not really a big deal worth arguing about, but just for you to understand. so here it is.

    The article is stupid. Things aren’t going to disappear. They are building more and more resort hotels on The Maldives as the shoreline expands (not shrinks). Millions are spent building these resorts. They, like Obama, know that the seas aren’t rising. When will you know it, you parapetic biddy?

    Expanding shore lines are not necessary happening by lowering the seal levels. Most probable reason for it is that waves bringing up sand and different particles from the depths of the oceans to the shores.

    Actually I was endorsing your incorrect idea that sea levels are decreasing.
    There are cataclysmic shows on television about rising of sea levels.
    I am not sure about that because Ice has higher volume than water, so submerged parts of icebergs will actually by thawing increase available space.
    (But in my opinion sea levels will slightly rise.)

  252. Sea level is rising at a constant, negligible, 0.75 mm per year for almost 140 years.

    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=680-140

    The graph is from NOAA, one of the high priests of global warming, climate change, climate disruption, climate emergency, so one can be sure that it does not understate the amount of SL rise.

  253. @mulga mumblebrain

    Thank you for your reasoned civil reply. I am not aware, BTW, of the “fossil fuel industry” having declared the climate.ate science “solid” as long ago as the 60s. Can you enlarge on that? What are the sources you rely on.? My recollection is that Ron Unz’s main article on the subject noted that predictions of ice age were still about in the 70s. And which parts of the “fossil fuel industry” are you referring to?

    I suppose the government I might accept as most trustworthy on the subject, for a number of reasons, would be the Chinese government. Russia is too clearly compromised by the offsetting benefits. So….. what does China say about the reality of AGW?

    I infer that it is factoring in a lot of uncertainty into its decision making including uncertainty about what is likely in future given various scenarios of human action. If I were a CCP true believer in the near certainty of disastrous AGW I can think of a raft of policies I would be adopting and advocating all round the world .

    I’m also not sure that there is a long term increase in extreme weather events or their magnitude, though I do see the human factor as important in their consequences. E.g. failure to burn off fuel for forest fires.

  254. @Zarathustra

    There’s also land reclamation in coastal areas.

  255. @mulga mumblebrain

    Why the panic and fear? The Dutch learned to live “underwater” since like 800 years ago. Much of Holland is below sea level and it did not bother them for centuries to develop and prosper into a modern civilised country.

  256. @restless94110

    What greater perfection of Dunning-Krugerism is there but that of the hard Right thug who does not realise that he is so. Or is simply lying. As for your ‘friends’ perhaps ‘co-conspirators’ would be better.

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  257. @restless94110

    You’re quite a psychopath, feckless-it won’t go unnoticed. ALL models are ‘wildly inaccurate’. How brain dead and morally insane can you get?

  258. Kali says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Dear Mr Mumble,

    By email notification, I received your reply to one of my comments on PCRs “covid” thread.

    I will respond here because that thread is pretty long and laggy, and this is the right thread for the climate debate. I hope you don’t mind.

    You said:
    “I agree Kali with your observations, but why do they make you reject ‘climate alarmism’. That expression, I think you will agree, is habitually used by outright climate denialists. Why are you not alarmed. As I say, I agree completely that the global parasites most responsible for ecological collapse have hijacked Green movements, but the grass-roots remain, but capitalism must go. Either it goes, or we do.
    (My bold – for agreement.)

    Firstly, thank you for raising your rhetorical standard above that of trollong. (Your “goddess of death” nonsense in this thread was very silly and not worth a response from me). I appreciate your much more reasonable tone.

    Ok, so you ask me why I reject “climate alarmism”, and why I even use that term, whilst yourself using the term “climate denialism”. I hope you recognise the disconnect here. But, in answer to your question:

    Because I dispute the claim that the 1ppm of atmospheric CO2 produced by human activity is causing the earths climate to change. I also dispute that atmospheric CO2 (no matter how it’s produced) drives global warming, when all of the evidence suggests that higher carbon levels follow warming. (Even during my days as an alarmist I knew that, but allowed my own cognative disonance blind me to the obvious implications.)

    Of course I don’t deny that the earth has a climate, or that that climate is changing – it always has and it always will! But I do reject the “alarm”raised by the likes of Bill Gates, Al Gore, Greta Thunberg and the hysterical establishment media, who beg for the utterly insane “zero-carbon fututure” now being prepared for a miseducated, misinformed and misled “consummer”.

    “The science” being employed to promote the notion of ACC falls short of actual scientific enquirey. When those funded to promote the notion deliberately fudge the data in favour of their next funding grant I’m less than impressed. In fact that kind of behaviour only serves to convince me that we’re being lied to on a massive scale.

    I’m MUCH more alarmed by the globalists impossition of their deadly “zero carbon” initiatives, by the environmentally devastating “green new deal”, etc, and that they entirely overlook the fact that the overwhelming majority of the harms being done to earths environments are caused by corporate greed. That they continue to blame and hold the consummer responsible for the harm done to all life on earth by their unrelenting greed.

    “The science” is grossly manipulated, and those who fund it are soulless megalomaniacs. I trust neither.

    And the winters keep on getting longer and colder (in Britain and Portugal), whilst the summer nights, here in Portugal at least, are now cool enough to be able to breathe and sleep. 🙂

    Thanks for the reasonable question.

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  259. @Zarathustra

    Apparently you have quoted my previous reply but did not put it between Blockquotes, so it looks like it’s you writing that. But then you say:

    Expanding shore lines are not necessary happening by lowering the seal levels. Most probable reason for it is that waves bringing up sand and different particles from the depths of the oceans to the shores

    How would you know this mysterious weird theory of sand being added to the beach by the waves is valid or “most probable? You do realize that islands all over the Indian and Pacific Ocean are ALL expanding, right? So, suddenly in the last 20 years, all these islands start expanding, but instead of the most likely reason (sea levels are lowering) you want to say some other whacko reason is most probable?

    It’s not my “incorrect idea” It’s reported as the reason by the scientists measuring it. You can have your own opinion but it sounds to me like it’s just a feeling you have, not logical.

  260. @mulga mumblebrain

    What greater perfection of Dunning-Krugerism is there but that of the hard Right thug who does not realise that he is so. Or is simply lying. As for your ‘friends’ perhaps ‘co-conspirators’ would be better.

    You are so delusional you actually think you can know about a person when you could not possibly know any such thing.. You are unable to argue on facts so you just screech gibberish.

  261. @mulga mumblebrain

    You aren’t listing even one, feckless psychopath. How brain dead and morally insane can you get?

  262. @mulga mumblebrain

    I Googled for Cap All9n and, amongst the results when Wikipedia was added as this interesting list that he said had been deleted from the English language Google :

    https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/

    If Ron were interested in finding some who specifically criticised the IPCC’s models he could start there. There is a sub list.

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  263. @restless94110

    Yes, waves actually contribute to erosion and eat away at the coast. Many beaches require protection from this.

  264. @Commentator Mike

    Yes, waves actually contribute to erosion and eat away at the coast. Many beaches require protection from this.

    Which is exactly the OPPOSITE of what this guy was saying “reasonably, probably” happened.

    Erosion, yes; reverse erosion, not a chance.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  265. @mulga mumblebrain

    This just in:

    New Atmospheric Science Publication Finds Quadrupling CO2 Would Lead To Only 1.0°C Increase!

    By P Gosselin on 29. August 2021
    Share this…

    “No climate emergency,” scientists say…”increasing levels of CO2 won’t lead to significant changes in earth temperature”

    Increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact.

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  266. @Commentator Mike

    I did go to Florida. I did sit down on the sand. About 30 or 40 feet from water. I got tiny bruises from the sea shells in my but. As a “scientist” on erosion what is your explanation?

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  267. @restless94110

    All scientists are claiming (based on actual measurements) that oceans levels are increasing.
    I am tired now! So go and argue with them.

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  268. All scientists

    Obviously the scientists I reported on are not saying ocean levels are rising. So in no way is it ALL scientists. Furthermore, you are using the logical fallacy, argument from authority, an authority of authorities say it’s so, so therefore it is so. Science is not consensus. It’s not majority rule. One scientist can change any theory if their theory is superior. It just takes one.

    No wonder you are tired. You don’t appear to be able to read what I wrote.

    You are so tired that all you can type is the same nonsense over and over again.

    It’s like if I told you: hey, that road you take to work everyday? They just built a brick wall in the middle of it. You have to take a new route.

    And you go: well all my co-workers go on that road so I’ll just take the same route.

    And BLAM! You just ran into a brick wall.

    But you don’t care. You’re tired. So you just climb out of your ruined car and walk to work.

    When your co-workers ask why you have those large gashes all over your body? You just say well most people take that highway so I’m tired now and I don’t want to discuss it any further.

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  269. anon[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    Have you ever heard of a thing called the “tide”? High tide, low tide? It’s been around since the oceans formed billions of years ago.

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  270. @Zarathustra

    You are right sea levels are rising, but, as usual, ‘the dose makes the poison’. You mention “scientists” but don’t tell us what real scientists do, first thing, when they wake in the morning. They say to themselves quantify, quantify, quantify. And then precision, precision, precision.

    Here’s some precise quantification for you.

    Sea level is rising at a constant, negligible, 0.75 mm per year for almost 140 years.

    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=680-140

    The graph is from NOAA, one of the high priests of global warming,, climate change, climate disruption, climate emergency, so one can be sure that it does not understate the amount of SL rise.

    Fort Denison in Sydney is the right place to measure sea-level change because it is geologically stable.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  271. @anon

    Yes you are correct. And I do thank you. You are confirming my theory that Tides are bringing matters from oceans to the shores. and by that are spreading the landmass.
    Now we only have to let restless to know.
    (Naturally this is happening where landmass is rising at low angle .)
    (At steeper angles it is the landmass which is eroding.)

  272. I did watch this scientific documentary on PBS “Ice on fire” There was proof that all New York will be flooded.
    I did get terrified, So everybody should get terrified!!!!!

  273. @restless94110

    You never name your ‘scientists’, do you. Too easy to spot the liars and fossil fuel industry troll-meisters, eh. If you are trying to argue that denialist ‘scientists’ represent more than 1% in ANY scientific field, then you are an even more deranged psychopathic liar than I gave you discredit for. I suspect that you are, literally, psychologically insane, as well as morally and spiritually so.

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  274. @restless94110

    What ‘scientific publication’, troll? For all we know you pulled it straight out of your alimentary tract.

    • Troll: restless94110
  275. @Wizard of Oz

    Why do the MSM AND the alternative media NEVER investigate the links between fossil fuel interests and Rightwing ideological psychopaths and the massive denialist industry that has helped sentence us to Near Term Human Extinction? And why have laws against ecocide not yet been promulgated anywhere. I’d GLADLY bring a complaint against feckless and the other trolls here if such laws were extant.

  276. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/02/at-least-8-deaths-as-ida-smashes-new-york-city-state-of-emergency-declared/

    This have never did happen before! Never ever!
    This is one of the significant proves that global warming is accelerating.
    ………………………………………….
    Hurricane releases water (rain) when due his movement enter the area of lower temperatures.
    Now it did take Aida to go all the way up to New York to release significant volume of water.
    …………………………………………………………………………
    Global warming now progresses at accelerated rate.
    ………………………………………………………………………………
    Carbon dioxide in air has absolutely nothing to do with it.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Read my theory.
    The catastrophe on earth is nearing.

  277. @mulga mumblebrain

    You never name your ‘scientists’, do you

    I quote the articles of the studies by the scientists. You are free to type in the headlines I reference and then you can see the scientists that are making the studies.

    But does it matter? Not really. They are putting out articles that are scientific. That’s all you need to know. They aren’t denialist. They are scientists.

    And it doesn’t matter what percentage they represent. Science is not consensus! It’s not majority rule. That’s NOT science. So who cares what percentage they represent? It doesn’t matter.

    I suspect that you are psychologically stupid. Science is not a vote. Stop your stupid name calling you troll.

    Sitting around as you do and pretending that science is about numbers of “scientists”? That is insane.

    Watch the following video. 565 scientists believe that things are hotter than ever before. All 565 didn’t know that it was far hotter 100 years ago., So, 565 “scientists” were obviously wrong,.

    Yet idiots like yourself keep talking like 565 scientists means anything at all. It’s just a meaningless number. It means nothing.

    The hard facts are all that matters, you psycho. Stop screaming. Watch the video and wake the fuck up.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  278. At the moment the only reliable source of Progress of global warming with inertia certainty is thawing
    of permafrost in Russian tundra. Every others are variations Most probably caused by sunspots. That should be excluded from Global warming.
    I believe more the Inuits in Russian tundra than all scientist, who have a simple claim.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    That claim is (word for word) it seems that Sun is getting stronger.
    (Check out RT you find it there.)

  279. @restless94110

    As the number of weather and climate disasters grows (by 500% in the last fifty years according to the World Meteorological Organisation)the plebs will wake up. They’re probably waking in New York, New Jersey and elsewhere, as they are waking in Germany, Greece, Turkey, Chengzhou etc. I would have advised you to plead mental deficiency once you are called on to explain your crimes against Life, but here you are, over and over, boasting about how smart you are. Not a wise move.

  280. @mulga mumblebrain

    The video is a simple display of newspaper articles from the past. The articles are reporting on weather events in the past that are either equal to or even more extreme than any event now.

    So what people are waking up to is that current weather events are nothing new, therefore have nothing to do with humans.

    Telling the truth is not a crime. I will never be called upon by anyone to explain anything. I’m stating irrefutable facts.

    Yes more and more people are waking up to your nonsense and hysterical lies.

    What about an old news paper article is a lie in your dizzy world? Is reading a lie? Where is the lie, buddy?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  281. @mulga mumblebrain

    This just in. In case you are too busy to watch this short video, which simply consists of newspaper articles from the past, I’ll list the highlights:

    [MORE]

    – 9/2/1935: the most intense hurricane in US history hit Florida. 200 mph winds. In US history.100s were killed
    – 5/31/1935: The most rainfall in one day in US history was in Texas with 22 inches of rain in less than 3 hours. In US history In world history. It broke the record set in Colorado a few hours earlier of 23 inches in 4 hours (at 2 locations). This led to the deadliest floods in Nebraska history with at least 250 dead. But in 4/16/1935 the worst dust storm in US history came to Texas
    = 1/1939: Most of the forest in the state of Victoria, Australia, burned. Melbourne and Canbarra set their all-time temperature highs never beaten before or since.
    – 3/1936: All of Eastern America under flood waters. 100 cities; 14 states were flooded while simultaneously the West suffered huge dust storms.
    – 7/23/1936: Hottest summere in US history. 12,000 died in 88 cities in one week from the heat. There were also mega cyclones in that period.
    – 1937: The worst flooding in the Ohio River Valley with 950 miles of rivers floode, from Ohio all the way to Arkansas.
    – 1938: The strongest hurricane in US history in New England with 100s of dead.
    – 9/1954: The last 2 hurricanes to ever hit New England since hit within days of each other. Then 2 weeks later Hurricane Hazel hit Canada and is still the worst hurricane in Canada’s history.
    – 1921: Millions starved to death because of massive flooding in Europe, Russia and Asia. Meanwhile 1500 died in flooding in Pueblo, Colorado and there was also record heat.
    – 3/1913: The US was devastated with huge tornadoes from coast to coast and massive flooding in the east.
    – 1926: Miami is destroyed by a hurricane and remains the highest in damages in US history (adjusted for inflation)
    – 1927: the worst flood in US history with the Mississippi Valley flooded for 6 months, while Vermont had its worst flooding in US history. 1,000 bridges were washed out. Also, St. Louis was almost completely destroyed by a tornado.
    – 3/1925: The largest tornado in US history hit the Midwest with 1,000 killed.
    – 1911: New England had its deadliest heat wave in New England history with 1,500 dead. But in Paris, 40,000 died from the heat.
    – 9/1900: The deadliest hurricane in US history completely destroyed Galveston, Texas and 10,000 were killed.
    – 1896: Australia had the worst heat wave in their history while in New York City 1500 died in the heat.
    – 10/8/1871: The worst forest fires in US history around Lake Michigan and Lake Huron. Dozens of cities were burned to the ground. 1,000s died. Meanwhile Chicago burned to the ground.
    – 9/1931: China had the worst floods in its history 50,000 square miles was flooded, 3 million drowned, while at the same time in the US there was nationwide drought, with thousands starving.

    This is only a very very partial list of climate catastrophes in US and world history. They had nothing to do with human caused warming or CO2 levels. Just like today’s weather humans have nothing to do with it and cannot affect it in any but extremely minuscule ways.

    However, civilization and the progress made in the last 160 years can be destroyed by stupid Green climate laws passed by insane alarmists, and our civilization will be destroyed by the likes of Chuckie Schumer and AOC, supported by screaming banshees like Mumble brain, who base their “science” on ignorance and superstition.

    Dozens of past climate change agreements have done nothing at all to slow the increase in CO2,, while China builds 100s of coal burning plants laughing at the idiots in the West.

    During the 16th century people became convinced that the warming weather was caused by witches and so burned 10s of 1000s of them at the stake thinking it would improve the weather.

    Now Schumer wants to burn down civilization. Climate alarmists imagine they are very smart and sophisticated, but the reality is they have no idea what they are doing.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  282. @restless94110

    My dear, utterly moronic, unfriend-the death-toll only reflects the poor communications in those days, the poor weather forecasting, poor medical and first responder facilities etc. As the World Meteorological Organisation noted, although weather disasters have increased by 500% in the last fifty years, giving the lie to your psychopathic denialist garbage, death-tolls have not kept pace because of improvements in weather forecasting, warnings, communication etc. You really are the bottom of the moron barrel, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @restless94110
  283. @restless94110

    I gave you the credit to have enough nous to know that your garbage is fraudulent. If you plead imbecility, I’ll change it from ‘lie’ to ‘cretinous, murderous, idiocy’. Satisfied?

    • Replies: @restless94110
  284. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are being unclear. Explain the following:

    My dear, utterly moronic, unfriend-the death-toll only reflects the poor communications in those days

    What was poor about the communication that 1,000 people died? Do you mean that back in “those days” they undercounted the dead bodies? So, without any evidence at all (since you weren’t alive or there in 1911) you magically believe that there were actually 1,234 dead instead of 1,000? Even if that were so–and no one least of all you has the slightest idea if it was–how would that make any difference to the weather event of that time or the reporting on it? It was an extreme event that killed a lot of people.

    the poor weather forecasting

    Again what was poor about the forecasting? If forest fires burn cities including Chicago to the ground, what about that event was forecast poorly? And again, how would you possibly know that? You don’t. People die from extreme weather events. Forecasting did not save people in Katrina in New Orleans any more so if it happened in 1931. But even if you could reasonably say that less died in Katrina than in 1931–which you can’t–the death toll has nothing to do with the extreme weather event (i.e., it was still an extreme weather event even if no one died.

    giving the lie to your psychopathic denialist garbage,

    In other words the lie is that record extreme weather did not happen over 50 years ago? Easily proved as a complete lie. Therefore, it would not be psychopathic to report the truth, the only denying going on would be that of you and the WMO denying that weather was far more severe in the distant past, and none of the news reporting of that bygone era could qualify as garbage.

    poor medical and first responder facilities

    So the extreme heat in Paris that killed 40,000 has something to do with “facilities”? The extreme heat had nothing whatsoever to do with that. It’s likely more probable that the lack of air conditioning fueled by fossil fuels did contribute to that death toll number, but that still has nothing to do with the heat wave itself. And none of the extreme weather events that killed many many people in the past have a thing to do with medical or first responder facilities. When 50,000 square miles in China are flooded, it doesn’t matter what facilities were or were not available.

    As the World Meteorological Organisation noted, although weather disasters have increased by 500% in the last fifty years,

    So, all of those extreme weather events of 90 to 180 years ago were the worst in US history, and that means that some “Organisation” can say that things are 5 times more extreme in the last 50 years? That the records set 90 years ago for heat, rainfall, hurricane, flood have never been topped means that some group can claim that it’s 5 times worse today? And that makes any kind of sense to you? Follow Ocam’s Razor: your beloved World Meteorological Ogranijsation is obviously lying. What it’s claiming is impossible given the historical record that exists in the form of newspaper clippings.

    death-tolls have not kept pace because of improvements in weather forecasting, warnings, communication etc.

    Not sure why you have become obsessed with death tolls since they have nothing to do with the extreme weather that caused the deaths. What you say is obviously untrue anyway, since so many died in Katrina only 15 years ago despite your touted improvements in forecasting, etc.

    You really are the bottom of the moron barrel, aren’t you?

    You have described yourself perfectly. Nothing I’ve reported on is incorrect. It is proof positive that extreme weather happened in the past irregardless of CO2 levels and irrespective of human activity. Only a moron would try to deny this when faced with irrefutable newspaper clippings.

    That evidently is you: a sad, moronic denialist shouting at the moon relying on lies told you by some “organisation” unable to refute history.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  285. @mulga mumblebrain

    I gave you the credit to have enough nous to know that your garbage is fraudulent

    What is a ” nous”? What is garbage about newspaper clippings from the past? What is fraudulent about historical facts?

    What is imbecilic about stating proven historical facts?

    Why do you throw all these nasty idiotic names around? You act as if you think you know better than the historical record that proves you wrong over and over again.

    What kind of lunacy could take residence in you to ignore historical fact? What kind of illness has infected your brain that you would ignore true events and facts over and over again?

    Unless I see a turnaround in this defective thinking, I’m going to write you off as a total loss. Facts cannot affect your foregone conclusions–the main tenets of your religion–which have nothing to do with logic or science.

    You are a perfect illustration of the madness infecting Western civilization in this era. I urge you to snap out of it.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  286. @restless94110

    ‘Nothing’. Again the moronic, paranoid, rejection of ALL science and observation, asserting a vast conspiracy of the global scientific community. Insane and morally Evil.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  287. @restless94110

    Only a real imbecile would prefer the newspaper maunderings of ‘journalists’ from decades ago, with no proof of how the alleged facts were measured, to the current technological and scientific measurement methods, and those of analysis and verification. But as Rightists have egos in inverse proportion to their intelligence, you simply plow on, refusing to recognise or ackmowledge how malevolently and malignantly moronic you are. Or you could be a denialist shill, and are simply lying and disinforming.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  288. @restless94110

    I did read the article!
    Here is the last sentence:

    The only model that matches observations remains the Russian INM CM5, which has low ‘climate sensitivity’, but whatever the climate models predict in terms of CO2-forced warming are wrong, as carbon dioxide does not drive temperature.

    That is what I do keep telling to everybody. Nobody listens.

  289. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are correct. Nothing that is being said is true. It’s not a conspiracy. But it’s obvious that the stats are being juked. By the way there is no global scientific community. What about that article that you did not read is insane and morally evil and why?

  290. @Zarathustra

    That is what I do keep telling to everybody. Nobody listens.

    Yes sir. That’s why it is so instructive to read Mumbleshitforbrains and his coo coo reasoning.

    I thought of it the other day: Many people today have–on about a dozen things–decided that the subject(s) is/are closed (e.g., the science is “settled”, these are not the druids you’re looking for, etc., etc.), so therefore, anyone who questions, presents evidence, argues a point?

    Well they are obviously demonic “conspiracy” theorists, under the pay of Big Oil, trying to kill not only your grandma but your grandchildren, insane, moronic, evil, dog kickers, boot lickers, clodhoppers, muckrakers, and have a face only a mother–who is blind–could love.

    They are so certain they are right–the “science” is settled–that they feel free to say or do almost absolutely anything. After all, they are right, everyone else is wrong, and in addition to being wrong, by being wrong, they are actively trying to destroy the world. Thus, those that disagree with their dogma are evil and inhuman.

    This seems to be the way they think.

    Why a large group of people would believe and do these things? It appears we are in the grip of a mass hysteria of a large minority of the human population.

    They right; you wrong, but more: you are both wrong and evil and the devil and all that bad stuff.

    I sincerely do not know what will change these people. Millions of vaccinated dying in the Fall? The worldwide temperature getting colder and colder during the next 10 years of the Solar Minimum? Changing their brand of breakfast oatmeal?

    We are so fucked.

  291. @mulga mumblebrain

    Only a real imbecile would prefer the newspaper maunderings of ‘journalists’ from decades ago, with no proof of how the alleged facts were measured,

    So in your world, an ancient newspaper report is meandering? And you think that they need to prove to you personally that what they said 110 years ago happened? In other words, you doubt historical reports–all 200,000 of them–because they challenge your dogma.

    Though the current measurement methods have not changed at all in the last 200 years you claim that now there are some kind of new measurements and that someone is “verifying” them.

    Astounding, stupifying. Your insanity is on full display.

  292. @restless94110

    I first began to comprehend the existence of creatures like you in Sunday School, of all places. I loved Jesus, because he loved others, but I soon comprehended that many of the adult parishoners did not. They plainly did NOT love others, not even children.
    A lifetime of further encounters with this type, broadly defined, made me realise that they were everywhere. Rightwing politicians, small business creeps (a few were really just self-employed traders etc)the MSM above all else, teachers, and fellow students (I was sentenced to a private, not quite the highest elite, school). Over the years they grew more vicious and insane, and came to dominate this country, which is ever more rapidly circling the plug-hole.
    The average Rightist knows nothing but greed, hatred of others and resentment. They are the great reservoir of nassty racism, religious hatred, homophobia, misogyny and hatred of their betters, morally and intellectually. They reach a sort of apotheosis in anti-environmentalism, where their greed trumps even the prospect of future human existence. That is because they don’t care what happens after they are dead, and hate those who will be alive and living when they are ash.
    That is why the climate destabilisation denial industry, run by fossil fuel interests and the Rightwing ideological sewer, cleverly targeted Rightists. They simply had to declare environmentalism ‘Leftwing’, which it is, to have every Rightwing insect, like yourself, denying it furiously. So, the Evil Imbeciles won-enjoy your victory.

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  293. @Zarathustra

    Not only does CO2 not drive temperature but sea level is not rising in any significant way,

    You are right sea levels are rising, but, as usual, ‘the dose makes the poison’. You mention “scientists” but don’t tell us what real scientists do, first thing, when they wake in the morning. They say to themselves quantify, quantify, quantify. And then precision, precision, precision.

    Here’s some precise quantification for you.

    Sea level is rising at a constant, negligible, 0.75 mm per year for almost 140 years.

    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=680-140

    The graph is from NOAA, one of the high priests of global warming,, climate change, climate disruption, climate emergency, so one can be sure that it does not understate the amount of SL rise.

    Fort Denison in Sydney is the right place to measure sea-level change because it is geologically stable.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  294. @mulga mumblebrain

    I skimmed your autobiography and garnered the following:

    You were raised as a Jesus freak, which drove you completely insane at 8 years old. It turned you from a free-thinking, innocent child into dogmatic name-calling harpy incapable of an iota of reason and logic.

    Amen.

  295. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Perhaps you could take up your obvious emotional and mental problems with a counselor of some sort, rather than endlessly acting out in a comments section? It would be a bit more challenging but of great benefit to you.

  296. My therapy consists of telling the truth in the face of lying ecocidal Rightwing thugs, like you, I presume. It is highly soporific.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  297. @mulga mumblebrain

    Science is science. Science is not political. Only politicians invent false science (with some help of bought scientists) to advance their political aims.
    It is sad but it works only for short time. The reality sets in and proves their nonsense.
    But politicians have no shame.

  298. Concerning subtitle of this article.
    Heat that is coming will not kill people. It will be lack of resources, particularly food and drinking water
    that will eliminate the majority of world population. The canned food will definitely not last through all hot age. The humans have very short time to come up with chemically made completely sustaining nutrition for humanity.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  299. @Zarathustra

    The heat that is coming WILL kill people. Within decades wet bulb temperatures ie temperature plus humidity, will exceed the tolerance of humans to cool themselves through perspiration, at 30 degrees Celsius wet bulb. Then you die of hyperthermia. Coming soon to much of the torrid zones and sub-tropical areas like the Middle East. Reckless will be happy.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  300. @mulga mumblebrain

    Yes! I do agree with you. A number of people will perish by heat, But it will be only incentive for the rest to move North.
    Canada and Russia will be horrifyingly burdened by influx of desperate people. But there will be point of saturation when they will not be able to accept any more people.
    What will happen to all those people, who did stay behind? Their fate will be sealed.
    This will not happen suddenly. There will be many decades to pass.
    Once the food shortages started people will have less children. So there will be natural decline of population.
    ……………………………………………………
    I was very much surprised by Aida. So it looks that did I underestimate the onset of hot age.
    Aida is telling me that hot age will come much earlier than what I have calculated.

  301. @Ray Caruso

    I learned long ago that the dumber and more vicious the thug, the deeper their Rightwing psychopathology. Your vicious slobbering about ‘low-IQ savages’, simply shows that you also have that other Rightist moral disease, racism, to extreme extent. And the pathetic irony of a cretin (or worse) accusing others of being ‘low IQ’ is delicious. As I have said, at least human extinction will not stop diseased psychopaths like your polluting the cosmos. For that much we can be thankful.

  302. My two cents worth on “global warming” —

    I think that it is a complete scam, the (next) latest way for the Big Money interests to TAX and CONTROL every living human being on the planet. The latest scam for ripping off Joe Public is this Covid “thing.”

    Many years ago, in the late 1960s, when I was in high school, I was in the school library, looking over the magazines. On the front cover of one of the “news” weeklies, was this depiction of the planet earth, half-covered in ICE. The caption for the illustration was “Ice age coming!”

    Back then, it was “global cooling;” now, it is “global warming.” If there is any truth to the global warming problem, all I can say is that the rich bastards had better pay for it themselves, because since the end of World War II, the EFFECTIVE income tax rates of corporations and the rich is at its lowest point since that war.

    As far as world “overpopulation” is concerned – most people do not realize this, but if one was to take EVERY human being in this world, group them into “families” of four and give them average sized houses on average sized pieces of land, EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD could fit into an area the size of Texas, with LAND LEFT OVER!

    The main reason why people in Africa are starving is because the Big Money interests wants them to starve – so that they can have access to the desirable natural resources. The Big Money interests (notably our own CIA) are continually getting one African group to engage in war against another African group. The Big Money interests do not want peace; they want continual war and continual starvation. All thanks to CAPITALISM.

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