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Interviews with Volodymr Zelenskiy, Keir Starmer and Sam Harris strip away the illusion that we control our political system rather than it controls us

As westerners, we are deeply attached to the idea not only that we live in democracies but that our way of life is economically, socially and morally superior to that of citizens in authoritarian states.

Following on from these two assumptions is a further one – today held less consciously, for the obvious reason that it smacks a little too uncomfortably of racism – that we, as the people who fought for and created our democracies, are superior to those who did not.

Our largely unexamined premise is that modernity and democracy grew out of the particular circumstances of a western Enlightenment. A combination of rationality, a superior culture and richer public sensibility provided the soil in which democracy, uniquely, could flourish.

But what if that is nonsense? What if we have the story all wrong?

It was, after all, an earlier idea of an enlightened, rational west that justified colonialism – resource theft from the “dark continents” across the seas. Industrial processes that were the flowering of that enlightenment made feasible, for example, the slave trade: the design and building of huge vessels to carry humans as cargo, the development of technologies to help those ships ply precise routes across vast oceans, and the production of ever more powerful weapons to subjugate “inferior” dark-skinned peoples.

What if it was not a superior morality but callousness and self-interest that brought about democracy? We were simply first off the blocks in the race to strip the planet of its riches.

What if the constant influx of wealth plundered from around the globe provided greater latitude for western rulers to gradually indulge the demands of their publics for a slightly bigger share of the spoils, a slightly bigger voice in how they were ruled? Western elites found it simpler to buy domestic consent rather than exact it by force.

What if our democracies are built not on reason and virtue but greed and depravity?

Consciences salved

Okay, you concede. But that was then, not now. Once ordinary people managed, through struggle, to win the vote, the nature of western societies changed. Out of privilege, cruelty and inhumanity was born a new democratic spirit of fellow feeling and accountability, and an appreciation of the rule of law. Foreign policy became more compassionate, ready to champion the underdog, the oppressed. The west helped to found international institutions and a respect for international law.

But what if that is a useful fiction too? What if democracy succeeded in the west chiefly because it proved an efficient way to manage the perceptions and expectations of the inhabitants of states that, through colonialism, had come to control and dominate the world’s resources?

We are told the story we need to hear. Unlike those living under authoritarian rule, we are implicated in the actions of our leaders. If they commit crimes, they do so in our name and with our implicit blessing. We must believe we are the Good Guys because to think otherwise – when we elect our rulers – would make us directly responsible for the suffering of others. In a world of depravity and selfishness, the right to vote does not so much liberate us as serve as an albatross on our necks.

Western elites – more so than their authoritarian counterparts – have understood the need to salve the public’s conscience, and the apparent willingness of the citizenry to collude in the deception. The narratives the public are exposed to are designed to avoid cognitive dissonance, a pricking of conscience, or a loss of faith.

Through the establishment media, our rulers tell us they have our interests at heart at home, and that they are protecting us from madmen and fanatics abroad. Domestic politics either reassures us of the establishment’s benevolence or encourages us to become bickering tribalists, pitted against each. Meanwhile, we are kept in a state of constant alarm over affairs out of sight, in foreign lands.

And if we want change, we are told, we can always vote for the other party, even if in practice nothing fundamentally alters whichever party is in power.

Clueless leaders

If that was not obvious already, it is becoming ever more so as the central narrative weakens. The crises of late capitalism – the resource depletion strangling growth, the acceleration of climate breakdown, the resulting slow-motion economic collapse – are signposts to a future the media finds it ever harder to distract us from.

As these crises deepen, our rulers look more clueless, more inept, whichever side of the political aisle they hail from. It is the politicians and billionaires who look distracted, incapable of addressing what seems evident to an ever expanding section of the public.

The cost-of-living crisis cannot be blamed on Russian president Vladimir Putin indefinitely. China cannot be held permanently responsible for the failure to do anything to mitigate environmental degradation. But at least for a little longer, pestilence and war – or the threat of war – still manage to claw at our attention.

As if in recognition of this problem, the more liberal parts of the establishment media have suddenly rediscovered “class war” and popular revolt. Not to champion it, of course, but as a warning, a clarion call to their counterparts in the conservative media to lobby governments – for which they are the public relations arm – to advance policies that will dissipate the mood of rebellion and return us to the dying status quo. The illusion of benevolent democracy must be maintained at all costs.


There are differences between open and closed societies, to be sure. One of the most notable is that, in the west, closed minds are not imposed on the populace, as they have to be in authoritarian regimes. Instead, they are cultivated and nurtured through consumption of the establishment media.

The strength of an open society has lain not in its openness. The west has been as closed to honest self-reflection as the most subjugated, inward-looking societies. Its superiority has been located in an unchallengeable faith that people in the west are free and uniquely well informed. It is such zealotry and self-righteousness that has empowered western states to pursue goals, good and bad alike, with such determination and efficiency.

Equally, the manufactured zeal of western publics has long made it all but impossible for most of us to see past the trees to the wood. It is why too many of us have accepted so credulously that we are spreading humanitarian goodwill abroad through our militaries’ bombing campaigns, and why we are so indignant when foreigners prove ungrateful to receive our incendiary offerings.

Awakening from slumber

For western governments, democracy works well – so long as the gods of growth can be placated. Which is why our recent wars have targeted, first, disobedient states that sit on the oil needed to lubricate our economies and, more recently, rival superpowers jostling for control of this rapidly diminishing resource.

As wars become harder for the west to win, as the gains are increasingly outweighed by the losses – as today’s rocketing fuel and food prices neatly illustrate – western publics are stirring from their slumber. Even the constant tweaking of Meta-Facebook and Google’s algorithms cannot quite keep at bay the harsh reality.

An interview with Volodymr Zelenskiy, the hero-president of “democratic” Ukraine, the leader so beloved of the western establishment media, is a case in point. He now admits that, throughout Moscow’s build-up of soldiers on Ukraine’s borders early this year, his government lied both to its own people and to western publics. Kyiv said Russia would not invade, even as Ukrainian officials knew full well it was about to.

Why did Zelenskiy ignore all the warning signs from Russia and lie to his people about invasion? Because, in the same way he deceived his people to maintain a cosy relationship with Nato and the EU, one designed to enrich and empower Ukraine’s elite, Nato deceived Zelenskiy that it would have Ukraine’s back if Russia attacked. Ukraine’s posturing, as Zelenskiy’s new interview helps clarify, was built on a double-layered deception. A “democratic” lie built on a “democratic” lie.

The claim that lying to Ukrainians was the right thing to do because the economy was supremely important – more important than their survival – should be familiar to us. After all, western governments engage in just such “noble lies” every time they tell us that endless economic growth is possible on a finite planet, and that the health of democratic societies depends on precisely this kind of unsustainable growth.

Their perverse order of priorities was briefly revealed when they bailed out the bankers whose greed and recklessness had brought about a near-implosion of the global financial system in 2008.

Afterwards, western governments no more pursued a rational and enlightened policy than they had beforehand: they refused to take control of the failed banks, just as earlier they had refused to place a limit on the bankers’ cupidity and the games of Russian roulette played with the nation’s wealth.

Instead, governments raided the public coffers on the basis of a “noble lie” that the rapacious, private banking sector was “too big to fail”. During the crisis there was not even a slowing down of what had amounted to decades of wealth redistribution from the poor to the elite. That trend has accelerated faster since.

In fact, the “noble lie” is to be found everywhere in the western system of rule. A clip has resurfaced of Sir Keir Starmer lying to TV audiences, and more especially to his own Labour party members, as he campaigned to win the leadership race to replace Jeremy Corbyn in the wake of the party’s defeat at the 2019 election. Starmer was painfully aware that Corbyn had been ruthlessly targeted by the establishment for sounding a little too serious about changing the status quo.

To win support from Labour members, Starmer made a series of promises that included nationalising major public utilities that had been disastrously privatised by the Conservatives. Once he had won the leadership race, he quickly abandoned those pledges and anything else that echoed Corbyn’s programme.

It is hard to be sure from Starmer’s evasiveness and blushes who he was more afraid of as he faced the TV cameras: the party faithful he was intentionally deceiving, or the billionaires who he presumably feared might misread his lie for an actual intention and seek to bring him down, as they had just done Corbyn. In the clip, Starmer looks caught in the headlights, trapped between the lie necessary to get ahead and the truth needed to remain at peace with the establishment.

Glitch in the system

Occasionally, the “noble lie” is inadvertently unmasked by its exponent – as it is here, by one of the west’s most celebrated and articulate rationalists. The American philosopher and popular podcaster Sam Harris presents himself, and is widely seen, as the poster-child for Enlightenment values. He is one of the most prominent and intractable opponents of religion, and a high-profile advocate of the thesis that the west is engaged in a civilisational war with Islam, one pitting secular rationalism against a dangerous religious fanaticism.


Harris proudly admits in this Youtube interview not only that Joe Biden had to win against incumbent Donald Trump in the 2020 election but that everything and anything had to be done to engineer that victory. Because the stakes were so important, Harris confides with an irrepressible grin, an elite conspiracy was required to hide from voters issues that might damage Biden during the campaign.

Most notoriously, the New York Post revealed that a laptop belonging to Joe Biden’s son Hunter had been hacked and that it contained evidence of corruption, including the family’s financial ties to Ukraine and China. Mention of the story was quickly crushed by social media outlets – not least so there would be no pressure to debate the significance of the allegations in the wider corporate media.

The story was effectively blacked out just as American voters were deciding which of the two candidates was best qualified to lead the country. It was interference in the electoral process by Silicon Valley far more gross than any supposed “Russian disinformation”.

Harris points out that Trump’s supporters saw these developments as “a leftwing conspiracy to deny the presidency to Donald Trump”. And he wholeheartedly and enthusiastically agrees: “Absolutely, it was. Absolutely. But it was warranted… It was a conspiracy out in the open.” (Note that both Trump’s followers and Harris mistake the neoliberal establishment for the “left”.)

As Harris concedes, he is not revealing anything new. Aside from Trump’s supporters, a small band of independent commentators, such as Glenn Greenwald, pointed out what was happening in real time. Greenwald was pushed out by his employer, The Intercept, a publication he had played a central part in founding, to silence him too.

Through his admission, Harris exposes the “noble lie” at the heart of western democracy. Yes, through struggle, the wider public eventually won for itself a vote. But establishment power adapted to guard itself from the popular will – or what is now termed “populism”. Only those prepared to maintain the system to the ruling elite’s best advantage were ever supposed to be elected.

That is why in the United States, the imperial hub of the democratic west, the choice is narrowly controlled by two large institutional parties, themselves dependent on wealthy donors. The public is supposed to choose between two politicians who have worked their way up through the ranks, and been vetted each step of the way, for their willingness to obey the logic of elite power.

Any glitch – a Corbyn who wishes to curb the power-establishment’s grossest privileges, or a Trump whose narcissistic impulses risk destabilising the status quo or discrediting it entirely – has to be dealt with outside this rigged democratic framework. Smear campaigns – fabulous conspiracy theories, whether about antisemitism or Russian collusion – are designed to bypass the democratic will and restore elite control.

Those glitches are not going away, however. They are symptoms of the system breaking down. Anger at uncontrollable rises in the cost of living, the growing menace of climate breakdown, the expansion of permanent wars to maintain access to the very resources fuelling the climate crisis will produce more glitches.

The “noble lie” cannot save democracy. A more urgent question is whether the democracies we have will be worth saving.

(Republished from Jonathan Cook by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Franz says:

    Through his admission, Harris exposes the “noble lie” at the heart of western democracy.

    Bosh. I got this far and stopped.

    There is no Noble Lie. They do whatever they want because they know we can’t stop them.

  2. Wielgus says:

    Starmer always acts like a deer caught in headlights.
    The basic sense of the article is quite correct – Corbyn and Trump both had to be removed. Even the mere possibility they might in their different ways introduce actual change uncongenial to the powers that be could not be tolerated.

  3. As westerners, we are deeply attached to the idea not only that we live in democracies but that our way of life is economically, socially and morally superior to that of citizens in authoritarian states.

    Fully Agree!


    • Thanks: Jim Bob Lassiter
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Dystopian
  4. sonofman says:

    The power of democratic governments is based upon the authority and consent of the People. This is not a lie because this is what most People believe. Democracies fail when individual elected officials betray their oath of service to their employers, the People, and abuse their power to enrich themselves and their corporate/banking associates.

  5. Government is always and everywhere the source of the major problems. It is never the solution but insists it have its (((nose))) in every issue. It is the existence of gov’t that is the root cause of every major problem.

    Every voter is brain damaged to believe his vote counts. The political systems are all controlled leaving no room for anyone to change the cushy system the political class has manufactured to always enrich themselves at everyone else’s expense. It’s the terminally stupid that keep showing up at the voting booth to sanctify a system they know deep down is rotten to the core.

    The reason it’s all going down the drain is because you delusional voters allowed it to happen with you belief in a political system as stupid as your belief in your religious systems. Religion teaches you to believe in nonsense you aren’t allowed to question and that produces a mind that simply transfers their allegiance to the gods on earth and their church called government. Think it through – religion is government and government is religion; the two absolute worst inventions of mankind.

    Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

    For those who rule, religion is an additional means for overcoming resistance in the exercise of authority.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind – that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking.
    I believe that no discovery of fact, however trivial, can be wholly useless to the race, and that no trumpeting of falsehood, however virtuous in intent, can be anything but vicious.
    I believe that all government is evil, in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty and the democratic form is as bad as any of the other forms.
    I believe that the evidence for immortality is no better than the evidence of witches, and deserves no more respect.
    I believe in the complete freedom of thought and speech – alike for the humblest man and the mightiest, and in the utmost freedom of conduct that is consistent with living in organized society.
    I believe in the capacity of man to conquer his world, and to find out what it is made of, and how it is run.
    I believe in the reality of progress.
    H. L. Mencken

  6. The crux of the argument made by the European authoritarian states of the last century was that the noble goals of the Enlightenment had been irredeemably corrupted by capitalism; indeed that the alleged compatibility of liberal democracy and capitalism was the core political fiction of the west. They argued there can be no liberty in a culture whose fundamental economic premise is the exploitation of one class by another, under the all-pervasive directive of the primacy of the private accumulation of “surplus” wealth over all other concerns. The nationalist, socialist systems they developed were the antithesis –and the antidote – to what we now call globalism, as well as to the abuses of soviet-style communism. Fascism also committed the cardinal sin of stating that the needs of the national community must take precedence over the whims of the individual, pointing out, again with deadly accuracy, how capitalism had produced alienated narcissist consumers ever more dependent on centralized authority that cares nothing for their well being. Our modern rates of violence, addiction, crime, and mental illness testify to the price we pay for our system’s sabotaging all efforts to build a genuine national community with the common purpose that are the foundations of good mental health.

    Small wonder then that these powerful movements had to be demonized and physically annihilated. Fascism has been made over into a personality disorder independent of historical circumstances or political content. This thesis was institutionalized in Arno’s 1950 book The Authoritarian Personality. It has been largely discredited by mental health professionals, but still serves as a scientific gloss to the notion that authoritarian government is a psychopathy. To the Left, now, fascism is merely pro-capitalist authoritarianism, and to the Right, it is communist tyranny in disguise. We are told we are still free, under capitalism, because the exaggerated caricature of all-intrusive despotism in the book “1984” has not come to pass here – yet.

  7. mijj says:

    let’s not create a false dichotomy between democratic government and authoritarian government.

    US Empire governments are Authoritarian Theatrical Democracies. (ie. restaurant metaphor: you occasionaly get to vote from a pre-selected list of chefs, but, no matter what you order, you are always served gruel).

    Authoritarian Theatrical Democracy is the inevitable final emergence at the tail end of good intentioned Theatrical (periodic voting for leader) Democacy.

    • Agree: repsinec
  8. Anon[564] • Disclaimer says:

    Curious how Keir Starmer’s daddy was a socialist working class dude, factory type etc, the Starmers lived in a rich stockbroker town. bedroom town for the city of London.

    He owned stocks and shares in a factory , he never worked at one.

    New Labour is Champaign socialism.

  9. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    The elites have never had a problem in getting millions of their own subjects killed as well as destroying others with the big blowout of WW I ushering in the era of mega-death tolls. It’s about which gang is going to get control, with the masses of people being just expendable tools. That they care about you is just a lie. We’re living in what’s rightfully been called an empire of lies. It takes a while to see through the artificially created fog but it slowly emerges that everything you thought you knew is wrong, that you’ve been lied to your entire life and that almost everything that comes from above is a lie.

  10. Jim H says:

    ‘Which is why our recent wars have targeted, first, disobedient states that sit on the oil needed to lubricate our economies.’ — Jonathan Cook

    Like Michael Hudson, Jonathan Cook misleadingly points to oil as a leering villain, responsible for a whole host of ills.

    Yes, oil is a factor in the Empire’s calculations. But not the key factor. Only the Jewish Lobby’s priorities can explain why the US has spent a generation enmeshed in fruitless Middle Eastern permawars that have stripped it of trillions of dollars … and now is getting sucked into a disastrous conflict with Russia in Ukraine.

    Likewise, how can Jonathan Cook discuss ‘bringing down’ Jeremy Corbyn without mentioning the reason why:

    ‘Labour has suspended Jeremy Corbyn from the party over his reaction to a highly critical report on anti-Semitism during Mr Corbyn’s four-and-a-half years as leader. But [Corbyn] later said the scale of anti-Semitism within Labour had been “dramatically overstated” by opponents.’ — BBC, 29 October 2020

    This essay can only be interpreted as a limited hangout, carefully tiptoeing round and distracting attention from the REAL elephant in the room. It’s disappointing; and it’s a disservice.

  11. @sonofman

    They fail when elected officials make sweet promises to the electorate that are either mathematically unsustainable in the long run (e.g. Free, get what you deserve, don’t worry be happy etc.) or are in discord with human nature itself. (e.g. Diversity is our strength.)

    • Replies: @Anon
  12. I like Cook, but he still always lards his pieces with stuff like: “the acceleration of climate breakdown.”

    Climate breakdown? Because we’ve had a hot summer?

    Has he never noticed all those streaks in the sky?

    Wait for it: When they finally admit to their geoengineering, they will say it’s because of “climate breakdown.”

    Trust them. They know. They’re causing the “breakdown” themselves.

    • Agree: usNthem, TheTrumanShow, Nancy
  13. It came to pass that the peoples of Western Europe became strong relative to other peoples and so ruled the world.

    The Europeans did not invent evil. Evil is inherent in human nature. They used their relative strength to their own advantage.

  14. What climate degradation is the author talking about?!

    Global warming, now known as climate change, is one of those “democratic” lies

  15. Phibbs says:

    We know that most of this hostile oligarchy is comprised of Jews. They are determined to destroy the world — starting with America and Europe. And they have mostly succeeded already.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  16. Dually says:

    Lack of faith is why atheists are afraid of the weather – the mental illness de jour. Global Warming is atheists gone wild.

  17. WHEN I was living in the USA — NYC — (3 + Decades) i came across some online short poem by someone “ANONYMOUS” ..but described himself as a young poet . his line struck me, which broadens to the ENTIRE western culture(s) — :


    it was an obscure blog i just stumbled on..and forgot how to find it again…but profoundly ,he summed up dispensing with the “difference between the political , social upper caste and the POPULACE”….

  18. @Dually

    No, global warming is a con brought to you by the gov’t and people in the climate science fraud that are making a ton of money off of scaring the normies. Some, I’m sure, are atheists, but your statement is designed to troll without any real evidence behind it, so you’re full of shit.

    You are not Christians. You are not Jews. You are not Muslims. And you certainly aren’t atheists. You all have the same god, and its name is ‘government.’ You’re all members of the most evil, insane, destructive cult in history. If there ever was a devil, the state is it. And you worship it with all your heart and soul.
    Larken Rose

    Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply an admission of the obvious. In fact, ‘atheist’ is a term that should not ever exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a ‘non astrologer’ or a ‘non-alchemist’. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs. An atheist is simply a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (87 percent of the population) claiming to ‘never doubt the existence of God’ should be obliged to present evidence for his existence-and, indeed, for his BENEVOLENCE, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day.
    Sam Harris

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @迪路
  19. @Jim H

    Agree. When I got to the usual bullshit narrative about slavery – deflecting the role of the Jews and ignoring that more Whites were enslaved by Muslims/Arabs than Blacks sent to North America – it was obvious where this was headed.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @Tommy Thompson
  20. @Anthony Nugent

    I hate to rain on the lovefest 😀 but Manifest Destiny and Islam are exact
    mirror images of each other; both hold that by definition only the other side
    can commit wars of aggression (=Hurub) while the noble struggle to
    bring the Light (City on the Hill blah blah) unto the peoples (=Futuhat, “opening”)
    is a religious duty. In both cases only temporary truces (Dar al-´Ahd) are
    permissible, never lasting peace.
    If only those benighted peoples stopped obstinately refusing to see the Light
    (or to worship carpets) the Reign of Peace/Second Coming (Dar es-Salam
    synonymous with Dar ul-Islam) could at long last be erected/fulfilled.
    If there is difference between Sharia and “rules-based order” it is that
    the former is a lot closer to “rule of law” and “peace with honor” –
    it seems my ancestors wasted centuries fighting the wrong assholes

    (and sorry, #15 Phibbs, all that predates Jewish rule).

  21. “When You Accidently Perjure Yourself In front Of Millions!!”

  22. If it comes to nukes, remember to duck and cover.

  23. • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  24. Altai says:

    Late stage democracies have a great weakness which is the implicit and respected legitimacy they enjoy. This is necessary because if a vote or outcome isn’t respected, then you’re not in a democracy anymore. Theoretically if a government loses legitimacy then we have another vote.

    But if the vote is rigged, not by fixing the result of who gets elected but rather what policies can get elected (A prominent example which has led to much spilled ink and pixels being the triumph of ‘neoliberalism’ after the fall of the Soviet Union) then you don’t live in a democracy either. Worse, you potentially live in a hostile regime which also is immune from criticism (Individual politicians or parties get the blame, not the systemic structure or interests who prop it up. Often the public itself is blamed as if there was some theoretical alternative to vote for.) or legitimate challenge. In this way the citizens are pacified. Thus a system that will only fall once it brings the land it governs to total collapse or which picks an explicit fight with the people. Policies of economics, war and peace and immigration have all been hugely and predictably detrimental, in some cases existentially so, to the peoples of Western countries who nominally own them yet they were allowed to continue. I submit that these unpopular policies would never have been implemented in an authoritarian regime of any kind. (Communist, fascist or anything inbetween) Our neoliberal politicians will simply keep aimlessly letting outside forces dictate to them until the governments just collapse. We’re seeing cracks of that now with the energy crisis in Europe.

    In authoritarian regimes, ideas of the public or national good are deeply woven into them. Such regimes do not have innate legitimacy (There are few absolute monarchies left) and the population sees violent revolt or revolution, which often lays out the specific influence groups who have corrupted the regime too far as normal and legitimate. Authoritarian governments do not have legitimacy from what they are (Like democracies) but by what they do. (An idea which is at total odds with neoliberal late stage democracy being totally controlled by anti-social interests)

    For all it’s faults, the CCP in China is deeply concerned that the Chinese people see ‘China’ as something that can exist without the CCP. (One imagines that almost all Western columnists in today’s press would see any end to liberal democracy in a Western country as that land’s actual demise, the system of governance is confused as being of primacy over the country it’s supposed to serve) And so are keen to avoid a collapse from within like the Soviet Union. It’s also worth noting that China has recently cracked down on depictions of gay relationships and visible tattoos (All players of the Chinese national football team are required now to be free of any tattoos visible or not. Existing players with them are being given a grace period to have them removed.) seeing them as symptoms of social-defection and hyper-individualism of the West that they see as the things which have led to our downfall. Just like they analysed the fall of the Soviet Union obsessively. For lack of a better way to state it, the Chinese see ‘wokeness’ (With it’s attendant anti-nationalism) as something which is killing the West. The most serious of which is the demographic displacement of the traditional ethnic peoples by unending mass migration.

    • Agree: Goddard, Ace
    • Disagree: 迪路
    • Replies: @迪路
  25. Government is about wealth and power and voting is just a ritual.

  26. @Jim H

    From time to time Cook almost Names the Jew, but he never quite does.

    He makes it clear that Netanyahu (father’s original surname Mileikowsky) is a venal corrupt shitbag, but never makes clear that even NuttyYahoo is just a bagman for Big Jew – the oligarchs like Adelson (d.), Kholomoyskyi, Berezovsky (d.), Khodorkovsky, Abramovich, Patarkatsishvili (d.), Gusinsky, Fridman and their slimy ilk (there might be some others who are d-dot – I don’t keep track KEK).

    It’s still not clear to me that ‘little Jew’ – the normal mutts who just wear the silly hats (and sometimes not even that) – can be entirely exculpated; it seems that their Tribalism kicks into high gear whenever public attention is drawn to one of their Parasitoid Fraction.

    The reason I still tend to give the ‘street Jew’ the benefit of the doubt, is that it’s reasonably easy to see the same epistemic contortions being performed by people of any and all organised groups – the (D)/(R) false-dichotomy; the Trumptards and NeverTrumpers; BLMfags; ProudFags… members of every bullshit, fake-and-gay group will twist themselves in knots rather than admit that someone in their clique is a cunt.

    Obviously that’s not true of All Blacks supporters, though.

    That group is epistemically pure of heart and free of sin – No True Fan of the All Blacks supports the Ioanne showpony brothers; every True Fan of the All Blacks would put all Coconuts in a canoe and push them back towards Samoa (even if it meant losing Sevu Reece and Ardy Savea).

    But that’s just one group, which happens to be made up of the finest people who ever drew breath.

    True Collingwood supporters might also be pure of heart – at least those with all their front teeth (i.e. ,about 15% of them, going by the latest vision I’ve seen of the Cheer Squad).

    Wow… these opioids are making me thirsty.

  27. @Priss Factor

    That’s pretty good, but in Europe the consequences aren’t falling on the people who are responsible for the fuckwitted policy.

    Macron won’t have any drama heating his household this winter; nor will Scholz or von der Leyen or Boris Johnson.

    This has something of the correct flavour…

  28. @sonofman

    ‘Democracy’ in ANY meaningful sense, and ‘capitalism’ in all its phony presentations, are totally antithetical. If you live in a capitalist State, you are living under oligarchic rule.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Anon
  29. @RoatanBill

    With much of the Northern Hemisphere in unprecedented drought, interspersed with regions suffering historically unprecedented flooding and deluges, heat records being broken in places like the UK, glaciers melting ever more rapidly, crop failures spreading etc, etc, to simply declare climate destabilisation a ‘con’ is, in my opinion, a sign of mental or moral insanity, but probably both.

    • Disagree: TheTrumanShow, Dystopian
  30. @Dually

    And climate destabilisation denial is often the lunatic ravings of God-bothering imbeciles who HATE this world, and in their death-defying delirium, wish to see it destroyed. Evil CANNOT come any more dire.

  31. @siberiancat

    Go to Pakistan and tell the thirty-three million displaced by climate destabilisation, in their case the added energy in the climate system and the derangement of the hydrological cycle, that NOTHING is happening. And the dumbest ‘argument’ of all-‘they’ changed the name (both are true)so it must be false. So little time, so many morons.

    • Replies: @Brian07
  32. What if the constant influx of wealth plundered from around the globe provided greater latitude for western rulers to gradually indulge the demands of their publics for a slightly bigger share of the spoils, a slightly bigger voice in how they were ruled? Western elites found it simpler to buy domestic consent rather than exact it by force.

    I say:

    White Americans born before 1965 got some spoils and scraps from the monetary policy extremism of the globalized central banks and that is why they kept their mouths shut about nation-wrecking mass immigration, trade deal scams, unnecessary wars, anti-White propaganda emanating from the corporate propaganda apparatus and much more.

    Now the asset bubbles are popping and the young White Americans are slowly realizing the enormity of the evil and treason from the Whites born before 1965.

    Housing costs in the USA are through the roof high and going higher and White Americans born before 1965 are the beneficiary of this real estate asset bubble created by the Federal Reserve Bank.

    The Federal Reserve Bank has done the bidding of billionaire plutocrats, Upper Middle Class Snot Brats and White Americans born before 1965.

    The Fed has used zero interest rates or low interest rates and the purchase of mortgage-backed securities to keep the real estate asset bubble — residential and commercial — ballooned out to the most grotesque distortionary proportions in history.

    The Fed has electronically conjured up the dollar currency units to purchase the government bonds and the mortgage-backed securities and the other slop in the asset portfolio of the Federal Reserve Bank.

    Jay Powell must immediately set the federal funds rate to ten percent while holding a fire sale of the asset portfolio(balance sheet) of the Fed and that will pop the asset bubble in stocks and bonds and real estate.

    Young White Americans have been hammered by ultra-high housing costs and White Americans born before 1965 have been the beneficiary of multiple asset bubbles ballooned out by the Federal Reserve Bank over the last few decades.


    • Troll: Realist
  33. It is possible that the only thing worse than being totally wrong is being only half right, but convinced you are completely right. Seems to me that is what Mr. Cook has given us here.

    Also, Sam (((Harris))) is a monster.

  34. Alrenous says: • Website

    An aristocracy has wisdom, courage, and loyalty.
    A timeocracy has courage and loyalty.
    A plutocracy has loyalty.
    A democracy has…
    A tyranny is different, you see, because it’s also missing…

    Plato didn’t notice there’s nothing lost between a tyranny and a democracy. They’re the same government.

    If this is true, you would expect e.g. de Tocqueville to notice totalitarian conformity in 1836. Or something like that.

  35. Diia Summit 2022. One World Government. NextGen Mind Control.

  36. JR Foley says:

    The people are lied to and not respected–listened to–or taken seriously. The Military Indutrial Complex rules America and puts out sock puppets like Donnie ( Big Jew Lover) Trump or an aged has been –Amtrak Joe Biden and Hunter gets a free lunch.

    • Replies: @Anon
  37. JR Foley says:

    Are volcanos a recent happening? Can volcanos arise underwater? Do volcanos release heat? New Zealand’s largest lake now has a supposed volcano perhaps coming back to life—–5,000 years ago was a major event ——did more than rattle Greta’s gingerbread man aboard a craft on a First Class ticket to some Environmental Conference.

  38. Ace says:

    Industrial processes that were the flowering of that enlightenment made feasible, for example, the slave trade: the design and building of huge vessels to carry humans as cargo, the development of technologies to help those ships ply precise routes across vast oceans, and the production of ever more powerful weapons to subjugate “inferior” dark-skinned peoples.

    Oh, brother. Spare me the “we’re so ‘orrid” garbage.

    Those people were/are inferior because they burned widows, practiced fgm, had harems, subjugated women, put plates in their lips, committed “honor” killings, never invented the wheel or a written language, practiced human sacrifice, institutionalized buggery of children, ran captives through gauntlets, staked captives over anthills in the sun, cut off the lips of priests, enslaved their neighbors, roasted captives alive, and embraced obscurantism.

    And, guess what. Primitives practiced theft and conquest to their hearts’ content. Do you seriously believe imperialism was a western invention? HMOG.

    • Agree: TKK
  39. Tracking Recent Climate History | Randall Carlson.

  40. Get drunk on anti-Christ political Zionism, immorality and anti-Christ Judaism and multiple heresies and allow your culture and society to severely degrade as you are driven into another war, another cultural insanity, another anti-Christ ditch of lies and imbecility.

    ‘Let us vote’ on which anti-Christ drunken shithole we want to drive the bus into hell? We can read all about Trumpstein or Bidenstein from atheistic and homosexual degenerates exclusively giving the play by play. Besides… if you are willing to vote on these matters then you will accept whatever result is claimed to be victorious.

    Democracy is where immorality, irrationality, corruption, criminality and evil take advantage of those who are willing to vote on it rather than simply do what is right, rational, honest and mandatory against immorality, irrationality, corruption, criminality and evil.

    Welcome America to your ‘democratic’ anti-Christ culture/shithole.

  41. 迪路 says:

    Religion is a thing of the past, but the depletion of faith of atheists is not the problem of atheists themselves, but the construction of theoretical system.
    Atheists lack a true faith. And I think that’s what this planet needs to create by now, a belief in the whole of humanity.
    By convincing all human beings of their obligation to the reproduction of the human species, the self-interest of Judaism and Zionism can be eliminated
    This is also what the current Chinese Communist Party is discussing and studying.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  42. 迪路 says:

    The truth, contrary to what you might think, is that so-called voting democracies have always been controlled by conglomerates.
    The late weakness of voting politics is not because the results of the vote are not respected, but because the capitalist conglomerates find at the end that their interests are not aligned with the interests of changing the country.
    Like Trump and Biden, when their interests and the interests of ordinary people are not aligned, they must use propaganda to appear as if their interests are aligned.
    Trump has made it clear to Chinese officials that the trade war is just a way to make it look like a trade war with China in front of voters. Despite what looked like a spiritual victory for voters, it actually hurt them.
    The same goes for the Biden administration, where Anthony Blinken plays an anti-Chinaman while his family’s Warburg Pincus keeps investing in China.
    The last thing I have to tell you is that actually the CPC has been very high. Without the CPC, China could become a new Jewish parasitic home like the US.
    To be honest, I have been a big supporter of the current government’s anti-corruption efforts, which are aimed at ridding the country of officials corrupted by Jewish capital.

  43. Hitch says:

    the acceleration of climate breakdown

    the growing menace of climate breakdown

    Lol. Virtue signaling libtards simply cannot resist the chance to spread guilt. That is why they are the Jew’s favorite pets.

    Planet earth to warmist idiot Jonathan Cook: “Climate Breakdown”, to the extent that it exists, is a result of weather and climate engineering. Stop being such an arrogant and lazy prick and educate yourself. Stop covering for the western warmist elites you pretend to despise but in reality are a member of.

    Here are a couple of important web sites where you can belatedly start your long quest for real knowledge instead of elitist lies.

    “Breakdown, go ahead and give to me. Breakdown, its all right”

  44. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    A litmus test for one is to ask “what happens to a ordinary citizen when he politely argues with a cop at a traffic stop ?”

    In the US – you are very likely to be executed or at best besten to a bloody pulp.

  45. Hitch says:

    My ancestors were Mormons who emigrated to the US starting in 1856. They sold their farm in the old country, took the train to St. Louis, and then put all their belonging in push carts and walked all the way to Salt Lake City. From there, Brigham Young sent them into the Utah and Nevada desert to “make the desert bloom”. My ancestors corresponded with the old country and had all kinds of seeds for fruit trees, grains and even grapes sent to Utah. They got flooded and started over. They made the desert bloom.

    Starving subsistence living Navajo Indians settled around the Mormon encampment and learned to plant and grow crops. My ancestor spoke Piute and was greatly respected by the Navajo and was often called to settle disputes between indians.

    So when arrogant liberal pricks like Jonathan Cook come along and say things like this about them I do get offended:

    It was, after all, an earlier idea of an enlightened, rational west that justified colonialism – resource theft from the “dark continents” across the seas. Industrial processes that were the flowering of that enlightenment made feasible, for example, the slave trade: the design and building of huge vessels to carry humans as cargo, the development of technologies to help those ships ply precise routes across vast oceans, and the production of ever more powerful weapons to subjugate “inferior” dark-skinned peoples.

    The Amish, the Boers, the Puritans, the Mormons and many other groups did not “colonize” or “subjugate” the world. The wanted to find freedom and god.

    Jonathan Cook cannot muster the courage to mention the Jewish role in all this, from slavery to drug trade to weapons trade to liquor trade to exploitation to fostering enmity and war. We can be certain however, that if we painted Jews with the same broad guilt brush that he has painted European civilization, that Jonathan Cook would call us “antisemites”.

    Note: One girl in the train that my ancestors took was crippled, and all the other children had to take turns carrying here from St. Louis to Salt Lake City.

    • Replies: @Curle
  46. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    The article reads like the stream of consciousness of a malevolent gossip.

  47. Brian07 says:

    All very true. But with one glaring omission: if people like Jonathan were in power, they’d make the current censorship look like a libertine outing. Mr Cook would crack down on critics of multiculturalism and its nation-wide atrocities from Rotherham to Rochdale, Newcastle to Oxford, and Manchester to Telford with a vehmance that would leave you gasping. No matter how many tens of thousands of kids were destroyed by the consequences of these people’s ideas, they’d lock you up, throw away the key and tell themselves they were morally superior for doing so.

    • Agree: dimples
  48. Brian07 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    In Pakistan you’d be talking to rather a lot of “God-bothering imbeciles”.

  49. Karl1906 says:

    “Democracy: three syllables – Latin “de” meaning “from”, mock & crazy.”

    No wonder it doesn’t work…

  50. If we except the unsubstantiated “climate breakdown” bits, good article. There are only two possible outcomes for the West, nuclear war or implosion. The “solutions” that the Western elites want to impose such as the “Great Reset” inevitably lead to implosion. The “Great Reset” isn’t rational thinking, it is magical thinking.
    Otoh, constantly pushing Russia and China inevitably leads to pushback by Russia and China that if the West persists will inevitably escalate into nuclear war. The war in Ukraine is another example of magical thinking.
    Vanity and greed have so blinded the Western elites that they have become completely disconnected from reality. The only quandary is which type of death they will prefer, nuclear big bang or gravitational collapse.

    PS: let’s be honest about it, the most the Western hoi polloi are capable to do is to peacefully demonstrate against their programmed death knell. The masses in the West are in such a state of confusion that they are totally incapable of uprising.

    • Agree: katesisco
  51. Fred777 says:

    “They do whatever they want because they know we can’t stop them.“

    No, but China and Russia can.

    • Agree: Realist
  52. @迪路

    Here we run into a difficulty of language. The common meaning of “faith” has mostly religious connotations, a belief in something without proof of its validity centered around myth and monsters. There is also faith in the scientific process to help enlighten the people of the world on how nature actually functions in detail. More faith can be found in one’s own worldview on how to treat other people along the lines of the golden rule.

    I’m a religious atheist; have been ever since I was in grade school with nuns as teachers. I’m also an atheist concerning some of today’s much respected professions, such as almost all of the social sciences and humanities. I’m even a non believer in modern cosmology, climate science, a good portion of evolution and other disciplines that I feel are very sloppy in their approach to divining the truth about their chosen life’s work.

    I find that religious people are the most fearful, constantly in need of reassurance that their decisions are in accordance with some made up superior. They don’t trust their own judgement and intellect. That’s why they are the perfect patsies for the religion of government to provide them with their god on earth that they even get to select from time to time.

    There is also the religion of authority, a completely fraudulent concept as currently envisioned. People use the word authority when they actually mean force. Rarely is the word used to convey a higher meaning such as superior knowledge or ability. Authority is used as a club against the weak of mind that instinctively respect it.

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
    Albert Einstein

    It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere… Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
    Albert Einstein

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @迪路
  53. The American philosopher and popular podcaster Sam Harris presents himself, and is widely seen, as the poster-child for Enlightenment values. He is one of the most prominent and intractable opponents of religion, and a high-profile advocate of the thesis that the west is engaged in a civilisational war with Islam, one pitting secular rationalism against a dangerous religious fanaticism.

    I am with him on that, but I can’t see why he would prefer Biden to Trump, so much so that everything had to be done to keep Trump out. Maybe someone else can explain this since I don’t know much about this guy. Isn’t everyone today who is left-of-center in favor of empowering as much as possible this “dangerous religious fanaticism?” If so, then Biden is hardly someone to prefer over Trump.

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @HT
  54. Che Guava says:
    @Jim H

    Cook may have been kicked out of the Guardian, but it seems that taught him nothing, at heart he remains, and it seems always will remain, a loyal Guardianista at heart.

  55. katesisco says:

    Too many hogs at the trough.
    Absent jobs for the former Middle Class, it no long exists.
    The retired Government workers receiving PENSIONS are the new Middle Class.
    Their incomes allow the gleaning of the cities and towns.
    We are repeating history.
    The Chinese Rebellion was against LANDOWNERS by PEASANTS.
    The EU has planned for this by closing borders, deploying soon-to-be- emplaced solar and fertilizer.
    The US has planned for this by outplacing a major part of our military.
    The riots will not be a historical part of the US military as the exempted will not be used.
    The coming riots will eliminate much and allow capitalism to spring from the dead.
    We are repeating history.

    • Agree: Ace
  56. @Franz

    “…the acceleration of climate breakdown…”

    The author was doing so well until that gem of stupidity.

  57. Anonymous[498] • Disclaimer says:

    Let us not overthink this. NATO Pact democracy is fake. Anybody who maintains propaganda obviates repression has forgotten what CIA did to Julian Assange, Josh Schulte, John Kiriakou, Lynne Stewart, Daniel Hale, and hundreds of other political prisoners.

  58. profnasty says:

    Cockroaches don’t hang around when they know they’ll be stepped on. Go to Hollywood award ceremonies, and don’t be nice. Cut the head off the snake. CFR, Bilderberg, WEF, SPLC, HHS, FBI…et. al.

    There’s a midget standing tall
    And a giant beside him
    About to fall.
    -Sylvester Stone

  59. profnasty says:
    @John Pepple

    President Trump was elected-
    free and fair.

    Joe Biden is a Quisling.

  60. DaNobleLie has been our food for a minimum of at least 100 years –
    And when you get really into it deeply, it is not that difficult to explain – – but, of course, who believes there’s a devil called Satan……..heh-heh!
    Works every time!

  61. Realist says:

    This is not a lie because this is what most People believe.

    The fact that most people believe a supposition, does not make it true.

    The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

    Bertrand Russell ‘29

  62. @profnasty

    Can you provide a lucid, logical and rational explanation for your flippant attitude toward someone who has enriched the world in a peaceful quest to understand nature? I don’t agree with some of the theoretical work he produced and is credited for and there are doubts about his sole authorship, but the man was no mental slouch.

    Leaving aside the attribution to Einstein, can you fault the reasoning in the two quotes I supplied? Are you just another mindless jew hater as so many on this site are? Can you not see the person without the jewish star he rejected as an atheist?

    It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
    Albert Einstein

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @H. L. M
    , @H. L. M
    , @Johan
  63. @JR Foley

    Volcanoes are as old as the Earth. They can arise underwater; most volcanoes are underwater; in fact, huge chains of volcanoes called plate constructive ridges criss-cross all the oceans, these break the surface occasionally as at Iceland or Hawaii. These volcanic ridges are constantly operating, creating the underwater oceanic plates themselves; 99% of the underwater crust was formed by volcanoes, and are thus made of volcanic rock. Also these chains of volcanoes are ever-emitting huge volumes of CO2, water (steam) and H2S. These emitted gas volumes dwarf that emitted by industry. They also, of course, emit heat.,along%20a%20divergent%20plate%20boundary.

  64. The American philosopher and popular podcaster Sam Harris presents himself, and is widely seen, as the poster-child for Enlightenment values. He is one of the most prominent and intractable opponents of religion, and a high-profile advocate of the thesis that the west is engaged in a civilisational war with Islam, one pitting secular rationalism against a dangerous religious fanaticism.

    The religions being Islam and Christianity.

    Calling Harris ‘American’ a bit inaccurate: Yid.

    Just another gaseous, monster Yid promoted by Yid.

    He should be separating shit from paper.

  65. Occasionally, the “noble lie” is inadvertently unmasked by its exponent – as it is here, by one of the west’s most celebrated and articulate rationalists.

    The American philosopher and popular podcaster Sam Harris presents himself, and is widely seen, as the poster-child for Enlightenment values.

    He is one of the most prominent and intractable opponents of religion, and a high-profile advocate of the thesis that the west is engaged in a civilisational war with Islam, one pitting secular rationalism against a dangerous religious fanaticism.

    Sam Harris looks like an anti-Christian individual who is indirectly allied to Mohammedanism. There is no such thing as ” secular rationalism ” and ” enlightenment values ( the promotion of aggressive form of LGBTism!!! ) ” . It is pure anti-Christian and Christian culture.

  66. HT says:

    The best aspect of the West was not necessarily democracy. It was the culture of individualism, self responsibility, family, and morality. Once they took those away it all started falling apart.

  67. @mulga mumblebrain

    ‘in my opinion,” — and that’s all it is: your opinion and nothing else. Just so happens that your opinion is wrong.

  68. Dystopian says:
    @Anthony Nugent

    But then again so does everybody else. It is a rare human who can see through all of the crap they have been fed from the first day they could understand language.

  69. ricpic says:

    I’m not sure what Peter Cook wants. If he wants a society free of hypocrisy he wants a fantasy. Image and reality will always be apart. If he wants a society without a self-interested elite or ruling class he wants a fantasy. Self-interest and hierarchy are built into every society. Does he want the end of corruption and exploitation? Impossible.

    I know what I want: a society run by a reasonably corrupt, reasonably exploitative ruling class. One in which those in power take their cut BUT DO NOT RAPE ME. There have been such ruling classes in the past. We, here in America, have lived under such a ruling class. A decent life is possible under such an elite/ruling class.

    Our present problem is simply that the ruling class HAS GONE INSANE and wants it all.

    • Agree: Marcion
  70. @sonofman

    So when people believed something blatantly false like e.g. that the Earth is flat, then the Earth was flat and when people started to believe that the Earth is a sphere then the Earth suddenly performed an integral on itself and became a ball? Wishing something to be true, regardless of how many wish it, believing that something is true, regardless of how many believe it, and something actually being true, regardless of how many don’t wish or believe it to be true, aren’t the same thing at all.

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. Dystopian says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You neglect to mention the unprecedented cold in the southern hemisphere. If you want to be intellectually honest you should read about something called a meridional flow of the jet stream. It is caused by low solar activity and is the reason for the current weather anomalies. We are entering a grand solar minimum and it is going to get a lot colder.

  72. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:



  73. 迪路 says:

    I think that’s the problem here, the fact that as long as one continues to believe in Christianity and Judaism, especially Judaism, this chosen people mentality of God is very easy to convert business success into financial Jews.
    Imagine if you were the CEO of a start-up company, and when you started reaching out to the financial Jews, all they wanted from you was one mistake as proof that you wouldn’t betray them.
    What you get is respect, a successful family, a political marriage with power, the ability to obtain organs through the human trafficking system in exchange for blood to slow aging. You really became their voter.
    But if you refuse their request in the first place, then you may be oppressed by the monopoly, they will kidnap your family, or through the spy eavesdropping on your trade secrets.
    Yes, it’s hard for a so-called successful person to resist these temptations.
    What these successful people need to develop is a heart that is not afraid of power and denies what the Jews are doing.
    In fact, if you look at Huawei, which is now under sanctions by the United States, before the sanctions, Huawei released an advertisement in which the compass and ruler of the Freemasons are smashed to the side, which is the official declaration of war against the Freemasons.
    Unlike Lenovo, he rejected Jewish control and chose the path of rebellion. Because a normal human being should wake up to the fact that what the financial Jews did was wrong.
    The Jewish financial syndicate behind the Freemasons spread the virus, tearing society apart, distorting the gender values of others, and turning the ugly and the beautiful upside down. Yes, no one would want to see Lord of the Rings and mermaids like that.
    Courage, integrity, sticking to a human heart, these are the qualities we should have.

  74. Realist says:

    Leaving aside the attribution to Einstein, can you fault the reasoning in the two quotes I supplied? Are you just another mindless jew hater as so many on this site are?

    Very well said.

  75. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    If you back the arguments of Spengler, Modernity, in his use of the world, is coming to an end and democracy with it. This does not mean that democracy as a word having currency or as a formal social institution will disappear but that it will evermore become the managed democracy we have now. Presumably because a full fledged and promoted democratic facade facilitates elite control even under Spengler’s Empire.

    But really, reality would be better served by arguing that human society is not a civil polity but an ecology, a sub ecology of the world biome. As such it is filled with predators and prey as with any other ecological system. The teeth and claws if the predators are guns and lies while the weapons of the prey are moralities purporting to shape the world according to what it ought to be.

    The watering holes of more primitive ecologies are to be found in the claims of media, the sitting of legislatures, the deliberations of law courts, demonstrations in the streets. Here we see the prey succumbing to their predators or fleeing to face another day.

    Some may flourish and others may fail in the manipulations and struggles of the day, but how can you argue that anyone is finally in control? Even the very successful will eventually be brought low by their very success. Overly successful predators eat all the prey only to starve to death. What happens to the Anglo-Zionist Empire after it eats the world? How many Europes are available to devour?

    Doesn’t an ecological model describe our world far better than a classical model of civil order? As the human population expands the complexity and guile of this human ecosystem can only grow creating ever more complex systems of interaction among human predators and prey. The search for universal civil order is then the ultimate futility. All that might be done is to clip the wings of too successful predators.

  76. @迪路

    The problem originates in their intense and incestuous inbreeding. End of story.

  77. @迪路

    I’m an atheist and anarchist in temperament to cover the two primary problems in the world, religion and government, essentially the same thing. Over many decades I’ve also become a misanthrope due to the mountain of evidence that the average person is as dumb as a stump, fired up over some nonsense religion full of mythical beings and deeply tied to political parties which they can’t recognize as the con they are.

    Most people “believe” as opposed to think, they have “faith” where I demand evidence. They were never taught how to think in school, never bothered to learn on their own and dread the very idea of being an individual preferring to be part of the collective. The vast majority are a prime example of the benefits of the “western” educational system. If it weren’t for the dedicated thinkers in the sciences and engineering, there would be no civilization.

    Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.
    Winston Churchill

    The control over what people use as money has given certain groups incredible wealth and power that they are not likely to relinquish quietly. They own the political systems, media, the fraudulent side of education (humanities, social sciences), and related fields to produce the oligarchy / kakistocracy that the west has become. The top tier are disproportionately jews. The remainder are various other sociopaths that the normies vote for to guarantee the system of their oppression continues to the bitter end, fast approaching.

    The entire world runs on fiat currency, some better managed than others, but all a giant swindle, manufactured to purposely cheat the average person over their entire lives and most completely oblivious to this depredation. The controllers have now reached the point where their “funny money” scam is being exposed and has been so abused that the rot can no longer be covered up. That the Chinese, Russians and others are preparing an alternative is praised by some as a new beginning, but it is just V2.0 of the same scam since the fraudulent national currencies are part of the mix.

    It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe that there would be a revolution before morning.
    Henry Ford

    The “controllers” the world over, many jews, mostly sociopaths, murderers, thieves, extortionists, etc, that people vote for to form governments aren’t going to do anything that would diminish their perks and privilege. Power is in the process of shifting east as the west implodes over the unpayable debt that’s been accumulated. That the new system might be temporarily better for the average working person is just a side effect not to be confused with the primary intent which is control continuity over the sheep.

  78. @JR Foley

    There are 138 volcanoes under Antarctica, most on the western side, with 91 active. The climate frauds never want to mention this and most people are completely unaware of this fact.

  79. @Alrenous

    A democracy in the Greek sense means party-rule (demos in that context means the party or the good class, from the verb dai-omai, I partition, I take apart) not people’s rule as an ideal. Actually calling democratic republics the governments of the former Eastern Bloc was not that a misnomer : the government of Ancient Athens was a one-party rule system, where only the militant and military-trained, initiated and committed members were allowed to speak, not a system where the commoners had their say : the difference between the Athenian demos and the communist party was that the former was motivated by a contempt for all workers and all productive work (including poetry and artistic creativity) unequated for millennia while the Communist parties of former Eastern Europe pretended to be the opposite. The modern democratic ideal was called Laodicea and it was the name of a city in Asia minor where real jury-like popular votes were taken among the ordinary population.

    But Greeks considered themselves too “civilized” to stoop to such a level they considered too base for their own sphere of civilizational brillance. They admitted for their own civilization only three good forms of government : monarchy, of which tyranny was a corruption ; aristocracy, of which oligarchy was a corruption ; and timeocracy (meritocracy in more modern parlance) of which democracy was a corruption. Monarchy and tyranny were government by one, designated by tradition and by force resp. Aristocracy was government by a few knowing each other, designated by tradition and by force resp. Timeocracy was government by a greater number too big for all to know each other (but by a privileged minority nevertheless : the 1 or 3%), designated by tradition (e.g. examination or hereditary talent as in ancient China or India) and by force resp. (being part of the Athenian demos was a co-property right, first inherited then buyable, justified by no moral principle or respect for any tradition). Government by all (actually by an aristocracy allowing all to have their voice in juries and elections of certain executives) was called Laodicea (“people-judging”) and its corrupt form (oligarchy rigging general elections and remote-controlling opinion before setting it loose to vote as in lynch mobs) was called ochlocracy (mob-rule, as was classified the government of Carthage which consisted in a financial oligarchy calling the general population to designate a leader among two parties financed by the same), but these two latter forms were considered too barbarian to be worthy of Greek civilization.

    The Athenian “democracy” and other political values never elicited interest among the Roman plebs but only among the richest class of patricians.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Alrenous
  80. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:


    You are an eloquent but naive person. You don’t understand that all of the Western revolutions, in America France and Russia, pretended to be Democratic but were simply the elevation of an elite who challenged monarchical authority.

    From the outset America was an anti-democratic country. The Senate was established to prevent popular will from prevailing in the House of Representatives. I’ve read that in the beginning only 3% of the population could even vote. Everyone else was disenfranchised unless you were a wealthy landowner. According to that almost everyone in America today would be excluded from the vote.

    I believe the much misunderstood statement in the Declaration of Independence about “all men are created equal”, was simply clever rhetoric to assert that wealthy and successful white-Anglo entrepreneurs in the colonies had equal value to the British nobility and aristocracy. That’s all it means. It doesn’t mean to include anyone else.

    More and more I’m coming to see that a monarchy is a much better system. It’s probably no less democratic than the so-called Western democracies and it also promises more stability and a lot less cost — both financial and in terms of popular disappointment — from never-ending election cycles.

    So I agree with you that Western democracies are not that at all. But I disagree with you that they ever intended to be anything different.

  81. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Francis Miville

    Superb comment. Thank you for the excellent information.

    So which of these different systems would you favor?

    Did the ancients have any conception of the “divine right of kings” or was that a creation of medieval Catholicism?

  82. Mevashir says:
    @Jim H

    Agree with you a thousand percent. Remember Cook works out of Zionist occupied Nazareth and he may have to tiptoe around the JQ in order to retain his credentials and access.

  83. They’re not lying anymore, they’re right there in our face telling us what they’ve planned and how they’ll execute those plans and those in their way.

    You see them salivating from the pulpits of their GlobalHomo monopolized media empire as they reimagine all the wealth they’ll accumulate when Russia falls and like a pack of hysterical hyena’s ripping their prey into pieces, don’t stop until they’ve licked every bone dry.

    It was a peaceful lovely day in Nagasaki and Hiroshima before the nukes arrived, it will be another beautiful day before they fall again.

    These are not people of reason, or compassion or with any logic, what we’re dealing with is evil in its purists form.

  84. HT says:
    @John Pepple

    Sam Harris is the latest thing but in fact he is just one more slick talking Jew who says things that when carefully analyzed are pure BS.

  85. H. L. M says:

    Mindless jew hater?


    You will say, but there are some good jews. In some ways of course, but the bottom line is that they are members of the tribe, and you are not. And the tribe is committed to destruction and enslavement of the goy.

    If you don’t believe it read the Talmud.

    “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”

    Jewish Talmud: Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:

    “Historically, Jews have always and everywhere formed a “state-within-a-state” in each country they have inhabited. And they inhabit all countries. As Henry Ford (1920) stated: “The Protocols (of Zion) do not regard the dispersal of the Jews abroad upon the face of the earth as a calamity, but as a providential arrangement by which the World Plan can be more certainly executed….”

    “Who is the common enemy of the Jews? All non-Jews….aka gentiles, heathens, infidels, “goyim” (human cattle), and beasts. Jews have historically worked to overthrow the established governments of the nations they inhabit through their control of finance, the media, and other sectors of society, and by employing countless gentile fronts and covert webs of influence, including most secret societies. They have not always succeeded. Indeed, since 250 AD, Jews have been expelled from at least 78 (probably more) different countries on over 100 different occasions (Figure 1; Hitchcock, 2005).”

  86. H. L. M says:

    “Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet, and serve us as slaves.”

    Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983), excerpt from LEHI (terrorist Stern Gang) training pamphlet, 1946

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  87. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, people still believe that all world’s problems comes from religion lmao. It’s not like humans are tribalistic by nature, and that they tend to group with people they are most comfortable with, it’s not like Race and Ethnicity is a THING and humans tend to group with those that look similar to them. It’s not like since the enlightenment some (((people))) destroyed religion and culture, and did nothing to replace those institutions with something organic and coherent, hence the current decline of spirituality and higher values.

    War and conflict is inherent to humankind, when we try to stop it it only gets worse, only true understanding (That we are different, and different races do exist and that we are unequal by nature) can reduce these conflicts, not some ideological BS (The enlightenment).

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  88. @H. L. M

    The jews or anyone else that thinks they are some kind of god, like all the politicians around the world, only get their power via the morons that work for their continued existence. It’s the voters, the swine in the military, the POS street cops, the gov’t employees and all those that actively and passively support the muscle that provides the actual on the ground power to implement all the schemes that are responsible.

    A nationwide work stoppage would show who has the ultimate power, and it’s not the jews or the political class.

    Yes, the jews want to complete their messianic vision. They are but one group bent on subjugating the sheep in the society. They and others can only do it because the rest of the population is stupid enough to support their institution of theft, coercion, murder and general mayhem – government. Without the raw power of the white christians holding weaponry while wearing gov’t costumes, implementing inane gov’t laws, it couldn’t happen. It’s the white christian judas types in your own communities that are working to do you in.

    It is the overt support of the gov’t by paying your taxes, going along with every asinine new law and regulation, sending your kids to gov’t schools, voting in elections at every level, praising the professional killers in the military, backing the blue extortionists, etc that say out loud that you approve of your master’s plans.

    I left because I don’t approve. Most people are waiting around like sheep to be slaughtered, and it’s coming in the form of an economic meltdown that will usher in a dystopia most don’t want to imagine. It’s not the jews, at least not primarily. There will always be sociopaths and the jews are the most visible for anyone that wants to see, but it’s the average jerk that supports the machinery that continuously grinds him down that is the ultimate problem.

    Vote harder to fix the jews.

  89. H. L. M says:

    I quite agree that the stupid goy is engaged in his own destruction. No argument there.

    However, the force behind that agenda, while not exclusively jewish, is wildly disproportionately jewish. This is the point.

  90. @Anonymous

    Religion and government are two sides of the same coin. One led to the other and no one can say which came first thousands of years ago. Some con man realized he could get others to support him with a good line of bullshit.

    War and conflict are not inherent in humankind. The negatives in the society are due to a small minority of sociopaths that have no respect for their neighbors. The majority of people just want to live quiet lives. It’s the low end criminals that most can identify that are actively supported by the high end criminals that get elected that cause all the problems.

    Religion makes people stupid. It inculcates a belief system comprised of absolute nonsense that conditions small minds to believe that the gods of the political class deserve to rule over them. People are actually stupid enough to believe that they should be ruled over by the worst scum the society can produce, the politician.

    Religion and government are a mutually reinforcing system of mind control. Neither is necessary and both are parasitic, now to the point that the thievery known as national currencies is about to expire. Support either religion or government and you support what has been grinding down mankind for centuries for the benefit of the popes, potentates and their entourage.

    Throne and altar were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

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  91. SafeNow says:

    When I grew up, everything was fine. (I am ancient.) I have previously posted suburban street scenes of children at play; I will not do so again; suffice it to say – – metaphor alert – – that when a dog was in the photo it was a collie rather than a pit bull. It took 5000 years to get to those photos, but in the course of only two generations, it disappeared. Many comments point to current problems, such as the political uniparty and love of money and power. But my point is that such vices were present when the children were playing with the collie on the front lawn. Thus, it is off-target to blame the sudden unraveling upon the iniparty, etc.

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  92. What if, Jonathan. What if it’s all going according to plan and what appears to be stupid and ham-fisted is in fact all a clever ruse to keep you angry and poor while your eye is off of the ball?

  93. @SafeNow

    “Democracy” is essentially rule by ( mostly Jewish ) billionaire oligarchs. The sooner it is destroyed entirely, the better.

    As long as those who have subverted, lied and destroyed nation after nation, are given their due justice first.

  94. Anymike says:

    Paradox. You need to understand paradox in political and social theory. Consider, for example, diversity in the workplace in the American context. The workplace functions best when it has homogeneity. Diversity is not a way to allow the workplace the function in the absence of homogeneity. Diversity, rather, is a paradoxical way of creating homogeneity.

    Don’t believe me? Research the “Third Culture” concept.

    My theory also explain the child rearing practices of white, middle and upper middle class parents. What these people do is for one thing seek to inculcate Third Culture characteristics in their children. They do this by having carefully calculated doses of diversity in the private and elite public K-12 schools their children attend and having the same in the private and elite public colleges their children go to. At the same time, they seek to isolate their children from the rest of the white population, endorse the defamation of the rest of the white population and, of course, support nothing that will help other whites gain higher educational levels and a place in the leadership class.

    The white middle class has embraced this approach for going into the third generation now. With demographic changes, the system they have embraced is beginning to eat away even at them. But don’t expect a populists response out of them. They’ll circle the wagons and drive it till the wheels fall off. Excuse the paradoxical metaphor, but it’s what they do.

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  95. ‘Gays against Groomers’ or GAG. Suck up to gaggots?

    Video Link

  96. Agent76 says:

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  97. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Francis Miville

    Plato describes America in detail.

    “His life has neither law nor order; and this distracted existence he terms joy and bliss and freedom; and so he goes on.”

    “There is a battle and they gain the day, and then modesty, which they call silliness, is ignominiously thrust into exile by them, and temperance, which they nickname unmanliness, is trampled in the mire and cast forth; they persuade men that moderation and orderly expenditure are vulgarity and meanness”

    “Neither does he receive or let pass into the fortress any true word of advice; if any one says to him that some pleasures are the satisfactions of good and noble desires, and others of evil desires, and that he ought to use and honour some and chastise and master the others—whenever this is repeated to him he shakes his head and says that they are all alike, and that one is as good as another. ”

    “he is drawn into a perfectly lawless life, which by his seducers is termed perfect liberty”

    “nourishing to the utmost the sting of desire which they implant in his drone-like [NPC-like] nature”

    “But now that he is under the dominion of love, he becomes always and in waking reality what he was then very rarely and in a dream only; he will commit the foulest murder, or eat forbidden food, or be guilty of any other horrid act. Love is his tyrant, and lives lordly in him and lawlessly, and being himself a king, leads him on, as a tyrant leads a State, to the performance of any reckless deed by which he can maintain himself and the rabble of his associates, whether those whom evil communications have brought in from without, or those whom he himself has allowed to break loose within him by reason of a similar evil nature in himself. Have we not here a picture of his way of life? ”

    “And if there are only a few of them in the State, and the rest of the people are well disposed, they go away and become the body-guard or mercenary soldiers of some other tyrant who may probably want them for a war; and if there is no war, they stay at home and do many little pieces of mischief in the city.
    For example, they are the thieves, burglars, cut-purses, foot-pads, robbers of temples, man-stealers of the community; or if they are able to speak they turn informers, and bear false witness, and take bribes. ”

    Etc etc etc.

    If there are differences between Athen’s Democracy and America’s Democracy, they are immaterial. The cope is so transparent that I can only assume the intent was to have it seen through. The only genuine departure is that America still has a few scrap vestiges of plutarchy.

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  98. @Curmudgeon

    Please, drop the nonsense about Arab slavery. While Arabs did maintain slavery their societies and economies were built on a system of trade mainly in grains, spices, minerals, wood, garments etc. British studies demonstrated that slavery in the Arab East African trade only comprised about 1% of their trade.

    These traditional trade economies built on trade largely with the east (Asia and Indian Ocean) were very different from the mercantile mass agri-commodity colonies of the New World that required millions of new slaves yearly to build, expand and cultivate the giant plantations.

    The Arabs had slaves as household servants basically, that generally but not universally upon their religious conversion could demand freedom under Islamic law and would usually become become part of the family or tribe. Thus so many Africans in Arabian tribes today of Saudi Arabia. Yes, the Arab slavery system was not race based and many slaves were European war prisoners or war booty but also included a general importation of African slaves, but there numbers had to be very small as there was no means of production that required the mega numbers of the European colonies.

    Europeans also employed Arab and Muslim slaves en masse. In fact the Vatican’s fleet was rowed by captured Muslims.

    So please talk sense.

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  99. Curle says:

    Jos Smith did run banking scams.

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  100. @Tommy Thompson


    slave (n.)
    late 13c., “person who is the chattel or property of another,” from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus “slave” (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally “Slav” (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.

    The oldest written history of the Slavs can be shortly summarised–myriads of slave hunts and the enthralment of entire peoples. The Slav was the most prized of human goods. With increased strength outside his marshy land of origin, hardened to the utmost against all privation, industrious, content with little, good-humoured, and cheerful, he filled the slave markets of Europe, Asia, and Africa. It must be remembered that for every Slavonic slave who reached his destination, at least ten succumbed to inhuman treatment during transport and to the heat of the climate. Indeed Ibrāhīm (tenth century), himself in all probability a slave dealer, says: “And the Slavs cannot travel to Lombardy on account of the heat which is fatal to them.” Hence their high price.
    The Arabian geographer of the ninth century tells us how the Magyars in the Pontus steppe dominated all the Slavs dwelling near them. The Magyars made raids upon the Slavs and took their prisoners along the coast to Kerkh where the Byzantines came to meet them and gave Greek brocades and such wares in exchange for the prisoners. [“The Cambridge Medieval History,” Vol. II, 1913]

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  101. Alrenous says: • Website

    Nope. You don’t even know what diversity and homogeneity are. Learn to call a spade a spade.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  102. Anonymous[562] • Disclaimer says:

    I cannot agree with his admiration for Jeremy Corbyn.

    On a local level in his London Borough he implemented an anti discrimination law against homophobia. This resulted in every single children’s home in his borough and the surrounding Labour strong holds being run by pedophiles using their status as homosexuals to put them beyond suspicious.

    When this was revealed to him by social workers he buried the report and ignored it. The other labour minister who was involved in the scandal was Harriet Harmon, who also ignored it, and she went on to become shadow Children Minister.

  103. Cook poses as a truth-teller when, in fact, he tells only as much of the story as he can without revealing (((those))) causing the trouble.

    Combine this with his having bought into some of the more preposterous fiction out there (e.g. resource scarcity and climate change), and he is seen to be both pernicious and ignorant.

  104. Anon[892] • Disclaimer says:

    Both government and religion are predicated on controlling the evil nature inherent in humanity. Your comment manifests an unwarranted optimism about human nature. Humans are the only animals who exhibit self-destructive addictive behavior and senseless murderous tendencies. These are a terribly unfortunate and tragic reality that necessitate both government and religion.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  105. anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    The US is a constitutional republic, not a democracy, which our founders recognized as corrupt. They were inspired by the Iroquois’ to adapt their election methods for our own and referred to it as participatory democracy. Our founders expected government corruption and gave us the ability to oppose it. Unz is populated with some writers who are Marxist, even if they deceive themselves by claiming they are libertarians who like their neocon and Leninist fellow travelers seek our downfall.

  106. @Anon

    Let me ask you:
    Who / what has killed more people in the 21st century than gov’t?
    Who / what has wasted more money on weapons of mass destruction to aid in the efficient killing of millions?
    Who / what has stolen more money from the average person than gov’t, by euphemistically calling it taxes?
    Who / what has tried to micromanage everyone’s lives with more and more laws every year limiting our natural rights?

    All the civilian murderers in the entire world, all the thieves and robbers in the entire world, can’t come anywhere close to the death, destruction, theft and regimentation that gov’t has. The US alone has caused the deaths of about 20 million people just this century.

    Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.
    A Pirate, From St. Augustine’s “City Of God”

    That you can state the absolute nonsense that you did, provides me with the reason I’m a misanthrope. Only the absolute swine in the society do 99% of the damage and it’s always gov’t sanctioned sociopaths and mental midgets.

    Religion also regiments people so that the Irish protestants hate the catholics, that the muslims hate the jews, that the christians have a pope in his own country that sends his agents out to con the poorest and most ignorant to support his lifestyle in his palace to make sure his Vatican bank has plenty of funds to help along world gov’t.

    Now tell me again how all men are evil and require gov’t to protect their societies from the average person.

    • Replies: @Anon
  107. Joe Wong says:

    You are either democracy or dictatorship, tyranny or authoritarian. There is no such thing called “failed democracy.” Failed democracies are low grade dictatorship, tyranny or authoritarian, because they are cowards and liars, they have no guts to admit what they are.

    • Replies: @Anon
  108. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:

    If that was not obvious already, it is becoming ever more so as the central narrative weakens. The crises of late capitalism – the resource depletion strangling growth, the acceleration of climate breakdown, the resulting slow-motion economic collapse – are signposts to a future the media finds it ever harder to distract us from.

    Isn’t it a crises of socialism, i.e. the central government systematically grows the economy/creates jobs etc so that the 99% gets their fair share/a living wage, are lifted out of poverty?

  109. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Passing By

    Or people actually agree to The power of democratic governments? Or are you sayting that the people (i.e. the 99%, or whatever) couldn’t actually topple democratic governments, if they as a group wanted to; if so, why not?

    • Replies: @Passing By
  110. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @JR Foley

    The “people” are not respected–listened to–or taken seriously, because the people (i.e.. most peaople) are actually content and go along with democratic governments ?

  111. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Is actual Democracy and actual capitalism antithetical?

    Who lives in a capitalist State ?

  112. Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Most people still go along, don’t they?

  113. Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    democracy = representative democracy ?

  114. Christians in America should organise themselves and react before it is too late. With Christians I mean Whites,Blacks,Latinos,Asians,Native Americans……

    The face of conservative America is changing with the White House insisting a Black lesbian be the right example to follow for Black girls.

    There will be nothing left of Whites if aggressive LGBTism turns them into confused people in terms of sexual identity.

  115. Anon[969] • Disclaimer says:

    Now tell me again how all men are evil and require gov’t to protect their societies from the average person.

    Just imagine how bad things would be without government and religion!

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  116. @Anon

    I knew that would be your lame comeback.

    It takes the resources of gov’t to create the missiles, the funny money to pay for them, for the millions of layabouts on bases to use to murder people and then offer them pensions and early retirement. The average person or even a major corporation hasn’t the resources to destroy on the scale of gov’t. The average person harbors no ambitions to savage his neighbors given today’s living standards.

    When the Dollar fails, you will see gov’t come down hard on anyone with any resource to steal or redistribute. I think you will change your tune in the not too distant future.

    Good luck to you.

  117. dimples says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Not going to be another Massive Bushfire Season Obviously Caused By Climate Change this year I’m afraid. It’s been very cold and wet, extremely wet in fact. My neighbour says that it has been the wettest year for fifty years. But you never know we might have a dry spring although not so far. Cross fingers, you never know with the weather.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  118. @RoatanBill

    Government is always and everywhere the source of the major problems. It is never the solution but insists it have its (((nose))) in every issue. It is the existence of gov’t that is the root cause of every major problem.

    Perhaps you are speaking in a modern and Western context, but the ancient Taoists would agree to an extent.

    Good government must be in harmony with each person’s desire to prosper and expand the range of choice. By emphasising the principle of non‐​intervention, Lao Tzu also recognised that when government leaves people alone, then “without being ordered to do so, people become harmonious by themselves”. He thus understood, at least implicitly, that central planning generates social disorder by destroying economic freedom.

    IMHO some government is always needed, even in the most grassroots level.. Else…who would enforce laws that a big land owner does not gobble up his little neighbour’s plot?

    The problems begin when government over reaches. Now coming to a consensus on what over-reaching is, and preventing that happening is the difficult part.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  119. @Anon

    Assuming there was no fraud like in the US presidential elections, Emmanuel Macron in France got the votes of only about one in three of French citizens eligible to vote, in spite of having all the media rooting for him. That hardly can be called majority consent.
    European “democracies” don’t disappear people like e.g. the Chilean or Argentinian dictatorial regimes did but they do have a wide range of options to make the lives of dissidents miserable. European “democratic” governments are armed, the European people aren’t. European elites are united in purpose and have the means to keep the European people confused, divided and helpless.
    There won’t be any uprising in the West until either the implosion of Western societies or nuclear war. There is no other possible outcome of current Western elites’ policies.

  120. Hitch says:

    I am not making a judgement on the leadership of any of these churches or religions. AFIK, Mormonism is just another form of Kabbalism. I do believe that my ancestors were sincere in their belief and they risked everything and sacrificed much in the hope of reaching the New Zion in the desert. They certainly did not come to America to exploit the natives or to steal from them.

  121. @littlereddot

    A professional politician is a professionally dishonorable man. In order to get anywhere near high office he has to make so many compromises and submit to so many humiliations that he becomes indistinguishable from a streetwalker.
    H. L. Mencken

    All government, in its essence, is organized exploitation, and in virtually all its existing forms it is the implacable enemy of every industrious and well-disposed man. The typical politician is not only a rascal but also a jackass, for he so greatly values the puerile notoriety and adulation that sensible men try to avoid.
    H. L. Mencken

    Mencken died decades ago but his thoughts still resonate today and he’s the best wordsmith I know of.

    There is no such thing as “good government”. It does not exist and cannot exist due to its very nature of trying to set down one rule for everyone but the ruling class. Government advertises to know some truth, to have some intelligence above that of the constituency and to hold dear the morals and ethics that their societies have developed. This is the fraud that allows it to flourish since in every case it is the polar opposite.

    Government, in all its modern forms, is always the route to riches and power for its practitioners and always at the expense of the citizenry. There may be times when gov’t is viewed positively by their population, but it never lasts. The political class always becomes the home for the sociopaths in the society to use it to enrich themselves.

    Asking for government is asking for what is plainly obvious today; wars, asinine laws, no respect for common decency and common sense and all costing half of what the average person earns. Mencken was no fool.

  122. @RoatanBill

    “War and conflict are not inherent in humankind. The negatives in the society are due to a small minority of sociopaths that have no respect for their neighbors. ”

    So, we were taking our hands and dancing together in the neolithic? Don’t be stupid.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  123. @RedNordid1488

    How would you or anyone else know what went on during the neolithic? Bullshit much?

    Let’s see how smart you are, wise guy.

    If there were no US military, would a portion of the US population decide to go to Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan, etc to kill their people? Or is it just the agents of the gov’t that do these things for pay?

    Is the average US resident going to these countries now as individuals to kill people and ruin their infrastructure or is it just mercenaries for pay from the gov’t or its contract organizations?

    I submit that the vast majority of people don’t want to hurt anyone. It’s just the scum that aligns with gov’t that march off to foreign lands to do damage for pay and benefits.

    Without gov’t, the people would rapidly kill off the common criminals and there would be far greater peace than there is now. It’s the gov’t that protects the common criminals and supplying them with unarmed victims by law in most places because it’s illegal to carry a weapon without specific gov’t permission.

    • Agree: H. L. M
  124. SafeNow says:

    . Learn to call a spade a spade.

    Thanks. A crucial point. Sanitized, polite wording. Even Tucker, and the NY Post, refer to murders by “teens” or “gangs.” Another example of sanitized wording is when so-called conservatives argue the open border is bad because people are drowning in the river or dying in the desert. White people are losing because white people are too nice, too decent, too polite. I understand the impulse to be polite. I was brought-up that way. And, I am old and when I grew-up the country was that way. I fall into the wimpy-wording trap myself sometimes. But niceness isn’t working anymore. It’s not 1958 anymore.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  125. Johan says:

    A basic theory of relativity was first produced by the philosopher Herbert Spencer, Einstein gave Spencer credits for it by the way, as far as I know. Einstein made the theorie scientific. It is not the fault of Einstein that Spencer had been set aside, delegated to the archives. Spencer also created the first general theory of evolution, some years before Darwin, Darwin receiving all the credits.
    This is not about individuals running with all the credits, but a whole generation delegating one of the most distinguished and eminent philosophers, widely known in the Anglo-Saxon world, also the father of sociology, to dusty archives, while building on his works.

  126. Johan says:

    If there are differences between Athen’s Democracy and America’s Democracy, they are immaterial.

    Excellent selection of quotes. The problem with the approach by mister Francis Miville, is that it is too impressively learned, loosing himself in details and definitions, obscuring the fundamentals, or rather the spiritual side.

    Democracy is also called (by Aristotle): rule by the many. While ‘rule by the people’ could be taken too literally, which consequently leads to obfuscating distinctions, like: in Athens not all people were included, and a further obfuscating detailing of the situation.

    Rule by the many implies lack of distinction and involvement of undesired elements, which means a whole world of difference, hence, the charming ironic sneer by Plato:

    Democracy, a delightful form of government, anarchic and motley, assigning a kind of equality indiscriminately to equals and unequals alike.

    A line which in itself, in all it’s lack of learnedness and obfuscating details says fundamentally everything about democracy.

    It remains true that Western philosophy is a footnote to Plato, and no Western philosophy of critique on democracy has ever improved upon his works.

    When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cupbearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.

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  127. Johan says:

    To tackle mumblebrain’s propaganda:

    Just in the last 72 years Pakistan has seen many floods. These include:

    The flood of 1950, which killed 2,910 people.
    On July 1st 1977 heavy rains and flooding in Karachi killed 248 people; according to the Pakistan meteorological department 207mm (8.1″) of rain fell in 24 hours.
    In 1992, flooding during the Monsoon season killed 1,834 people across the country.
    In 1993, flooding during Monsoon rains killed 3,084 people.
    In 2003, Sindh province was badly affected due to monsoon rains causing damages in billions and killing 178 people.
    In 2007, Cyclone Yemyin submerged the lower part of Balochistan Province in sea water, killing 380 people. Before that it killed 213 people in Karachi on its way to Balochistan.
    In 2010, almost all of Pakistan was affected when massive flooding, caused by record-breaking rains, hit Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab. At least 2,000 people died in the flood and almost 20 million people were affected by it.

    The ‘ thirty-three million displaced by climate destabilisation’ as of mulga mumblebrain’s hysteria is another media hype.

    See here a chart of climate related deaths over a long period:

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  128. Johan says:

    Moreover, to be exact: global warming is not a lie, temperatures have been going up. But rising temperatures is not a problem, in fact, it makes the climate more stable. As of roughly the latest twenty years, the situation is stable though. The issue is rather whether the warming was caused by CO2, something which an elite shook out of their sleeve in order to make money out of carbon itself, and to tax and control the most fundamental needs of all societies, food, energy, industry, etc. In short, to fill pockets, create value out of nothing, to take total control, and to legitimize a total reshaping of societies.

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  129. Alrenous says: • Website

    Washington claims it has the right to determine who lives in your neighbourhood, and you don’t. (Render unto Caesar, I guess.)

    Whether human trafficking is good or not is in fact none of my business. It’s not my neighbourhood, it’s your neighbourhood. Or rather, given that you live there, the only responsible arrangement is to make it your neighbourhood.

    Legally speaking, it’s clearly not your neighbourhood, since you have no input whatsoever regarding how it is arranged. Unless you’re willing to declare war on the Regime and commit extralegal violence.

  130. Alrenous says: • Website

    It remains true that Western philosophy is a footnote to Plato

    Which is very bad, since Plato was wrong about almost everything except his description of modes of society.

    E.g. justice is merely cooperating with cooperators and defecting on defectors. Encourage trade, discourage crime. Problem: Plato’s governments are all deviant black governments. Inherently unjust; should never be cooperated with.

    Prussian school is explicitly modelled on Plato’s ideals. A nice long-form proof of how irresponsible schools, such as Plato’s, are very bad ideas.

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  131. Johan says:

    Must you advertize your learned ignorance so obviously.

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  132. Alrenous says: • Website

    Even you don’t believe what you just typed.
    The word you’re looking for is “stranger.” Or maybe “outgroup.”
    It is true that you don’t have permission to listen to foreigners.

  133. @Johan

    For an insufferably arrogant poseur, this is embarrassing. Rising temperature ARE a problem if the change is too rapid. And the current rise is the fastest we know of for at least 55 million years. And the climate becomes radically LESS stable as extra energy is stored in the Earth system. Where you get the ‘more stable’ imbecility is quite a mystery. Out of your own fundamental orifice, perhaps.
    The rate of change has accelerated over the last twenty years, NOT become ‘stable’. Another invention I assume. The role of CO2 has been known for nearly two hundred years, and to say that it was shaken out of the elite’s sleeves is either catastrophic stupidity and ignorance, or mendacity. The machinations you attribute to the elites is what they do EVERY day, and those concerning fossil fuels, the greatest asset class on Earth, worth tens of trillions, far outweigh those concerning fossil fuel induced climate issues.

  134. @Johan

    Climate related deaths have declined because societies have grown richer, with better flood defences, evacuation sites (see Bangladesh re cyclones in particular)and improved rescue, civil defence etc. So your point is without merit.
    The real catastrophe will come as agriculture is devastated. The disasters themselves will worsen, but as floods worsen agriculture is devastated. So it is with droughts, too, stronger winds leading to soil erosion, and the spread of pests and diseases. When, in human history, denialist troll, did the monsoon in Baluchistan ever before drop 800% of the average rainfall? Feel free to be inventive. And what do you suppose caused the record-breaking rains in 2010?

  135. @dimples

    The process occurring is anthropogenic climate DESTABILISATION. The extra energy trapped in the Earth system by greenhouse gases causes the chaotic climate system to become more extreme, Thus greater precipitation because one degree Celsius of warming causes a 7-8% increase in atmospheric water vapour, hence greater downfalls and floods, and destabilisation and warming as water vapour is a greenhouse gas.
    Wet weather followed by a hot, dry, spring and summer, even that new phenomenon, the ‘flash drought’, will NOT be good for fires. We are in the Pyrocene Age after all-the Age of Fire.

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