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From the CDC, more on the Breathing vs. Touching debate:

Cluster of Coronavirus Disease Associated with Fitness Dance Classes, South Korea

Sukbin Jang, Si Hyun Han, and Ji-Young Rhee

Author affiliations: Dankook University Hospital, Dankook University College of Medicine, Cheonan, South Korea

Abstract
During 24 days in Cheonan, South Korea, 112 persons were infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 associated with fitness dance classes at 12 sports facilities.

… We interviewed consecutive confirmed cases and found all had participated in a fitness dance class. We traced contacts back to a nationwide fitness dance instructor workshop that was held on February 15 in Cheonan.

This was a training session for Zumba instructors. South Korean ladies have gotten into doing aerobics to Latin American rhythms:

Fitness dance classes set to Latin rhythms have gained popularity in South Korea because of the high aerobic intensity (2). At the February 15 workshop, instructors trained intensely for 4 hours. Among 27 instructors who participated in the workshop, 8 had positive real-time reverse transcription PCR (RT-PCR) results for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, which causes COVID-19; 6 were from Cheonan and 1 was from Daegu, which had the most reported COVID-19 cases in South Korea. All were asymptomatic on the day of the workshop. …

By March 9, we identified 112 COVID-19 cases associated with fitness dance classes in 12 different sports facilities in Cheonan (Figure). All cases were confirmed by RT-PCR; 82 (73.2%) were symptomatic and 30 (26.8%) were asymptomatic at the time of laboratory confirmation. Instructors with very mild symptoms, such as coughs, taught classes for ≈1 week after attending the workshop (Appendix). The instructors and students met only during classes, which lasted for 50 minutes 2 times per week, and did not have contact outside of class. On average, students developed symptoms 3.5 days after participating in a fitness dance class (3). Most (50.9%) cases were the result of transmission from instructors to fitness class participants; 38 cases (33.9%) were in-family transmission from instructors and students; and 17 cases (15.2%) were from transmission during meetings with coworkers or acquaintances.

Among 54 fitness class students with confirmed COVID-19, the median age was 42, all were women, and 10 (18.5%) had preexisting medical conditions (Appendix Table 1). The most common symptom at the time of admission for isolation was cough in 44.4% (24/54) of cases; 17 (31.5%) case-patients had pneumonia. The median time to discharge or end of isolation was 27.6 (range 13–66) days after symptom onset.

Before sports facilities were closed, a total of 217 students were exposed in 12 facilities, an attack rate of 26.3% (95% CI 20.9%–32.5%) (Appendix Table 2). Including family and coworkers, transmissions from the instructors accounted for 63 cases (Appendix Figure 2). We followed up on 830 close contacts of fitness instructors and students and identified 34 cases of COVID-19, translating to a secondary attack rate of 4.10% (95% CI 2.95%–5.67%). We identified 418 close contacts of 34 tertiary transmissions before the quarantine and confirmed 10 quaternary cases from the tertiary cases, translating to a tertiary attack rate of 2.39% (95% CI 1.30%–4.35%). …

Characteristics that might have led to transmission from the instructors in Cheonan include large class sizes, small spaces, and intensity of the workouts. The moist, warm atmosphere in a sports facility coupled with turbulent air flow generated by intense physical exercise can cause more dense transmission of isolated droplets (6,7). Classes from which secondary COVID-19 cases were identified included 5–22 students in a room ≈60 m2 [650 square feet or, say 30′ x 22′] during 50 minutes of intense exercise. We did not identify cases among classes with <5 participants in the same space. Of note, instructor C taught Pilates and yoga for classes of 7–8 students in the same facility at the same time as instructor B (Figure; Appendix Table 2), but none of her students tested positive for the virus. We hypothesize that the lower intensity of Pilates and yoga did not cause the same transmission effects as those of the more intense fitness dance classes.

OK, so, if I am reading this right, 26% of students who took one or two 50 minute salsa aerobic classes with infected instructors got infected. Nobody got infected in classes with fewer than 5 students in a 650 square foot room, although that could be a small sample size problem.

But students in Pilates and yoga classes held in the same room at other times didn’t pick up the virus either from an instructor or from touching things. In both Pilates and yoga, you put your hands on the floor, but apparently nobody got infected from germs left on the floor by the salsa aerobics classes. (But perhaps the gym sprayed down the mats or something?)

The implications appear to be that high intensity indoor aerobics are quite risky due to heavy breathing, but less so less intense aerobic workouts. Nor is there all that much evidence from this of transmission by touching things in gyms, such as floor mats.

Perhaps high intensity aerobic workout classes should remain online for the time being, while lower intensity aerobic workouts and anaerobics like weightlifting can be moved outdoors. As I’ve been suggesting for a long time, let storefront businesses temporarily colonize their parking lot spaces in front of their stores.

 
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  1. Anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:

    We need massive nationwide retrofitting of commercial real estate rooftops so all this stuff can get outside without destroying the existing parking.

    Every food place needs the roof option. Exercise places can do it.

    You laugh but this would be a much better investment than dumping TRILLIONS into those criminal banks on Wall Street.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @epebble
    , @moshe
  2. Daniel H says:

    We need massive nationwide retrofitting of commercial real estate rooftops so all this stuff can get outside without destroying the existing parking.

    We don’t need to do any of that. We just need to let this thing run its course, let it sink in that we have been massively conned by relying upon “experts” and a hysterical media.

  3. The cost of a home gym with nearly all functions is not high. I have a set of cast iron hex dumbbell pairs 5 lb. -> 95 lb. ea. X 5 lb. increment, and a weight bench and pull-up bar from Rogue fitness and it was all together such a small expense that I don’t remember how much. Absolutely positively less than a thousand bucks.

    I tried to figure out how much it would cost somebody right now but apparently there are no cast iron hex dumbbells sets to be found online. This is a temporary glitch. There is obviously a market for this and it does not take a rocket scientist to arrange the connection between the supplier and the demander. When I bought my dumbbells they delivered them at curb-side on pallets.

    If you are jacked like the folks who make the youtube fitness videos you would sneer at my set up and my physique but it is enough for 95% of all of you.

  4. “Perhaps high intensity aerobic workout classes should remain online for the time being” etc hypoxia-induced brain damage scribbling

    Club members sign waivers indemnifying club owners. Doner.

    This can be applied universally everywhere.

    Next.

  5. Off-topic, but I think Steve (not to mention some of the rest of y’all) will find this World War T-related story to be quite interesting. It’s about a Federal judge showing evident bias in favor of the defendants, in that Connecticut case where the female high school athletes are suing to keep guys-in-dresses out of female athletic competitions.

    https://www.newsweek.com/who-has-right-called-girl-opinion-1503836

    …Judge Chatigny informed the litigants: “This isn’t a case involving males who have decided that they want to run in girls’ events. This is a case about girls who say that transgender girls should not be allowed in girls’ events.”

    In Judge Chatigny’s view, in other words, this is a case about one kind of girl excluding another kind of girl. That is a wildly prejudicial admission: Even before expert testimony is heard, Judge Chatigny has already determined that these biological boys are some type of girl.

  6. @Anonymous

    CLERKS was ahead of its time.

    a much better investment than dumping TRILLIONS into those criminal banks

    Not to mention Pelosi’s plan to funnel a trillion or so to state and local governments, whose denizens haven’t foregone a single paycheck to my knowledge, and who all belong in hell anyway. JMHO.

    __________________________________________
    Wow, I just noticed that an entire hour has gone by and there’s only one post showing. Steve is enjoying dinner, I presume? Is it safe to order out then? Or pick up at your local Asian? I do hope so.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  7. PiltdownChild2, age 16, and her friends appear to know a lot about Korean pop culture trends, generally. I’m not sure why this is so, since none of them are Korean, but they do spend a lot of time researching the topic. She tells me it’s a thing.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Anon
  8. This is a robust finding, given that Zumba likely skews younger

  9. Trinity says:

    My gym has cut its hours from 24/7 to 12/5. I have to be the oldest fart in there at 58. The gym is a mom and pop operation and is tiny. Hell, it is such a poor excuse for a gym, I thought about starting to build my own home gym. Alas, that is the price to pay for living in the sticks. No Golds or Powerhouse gyms within 30 miles. Working out in the sun and fresh air is great for you, it sure worked for Jack Dempsey and those old time fighters, and think of the Vitamin D and the tan, man. But what the hell are you going to do when it is raining cats and dogs? Back to the shortened hours. PURE BULLSHIT. It doesn’t take 2 days to clean a tiny ass gym, so the gym owners are making out and saving on the utility bill and wear and tear of the equipment. Do you really think these small gyms, many of which never really cut the mustard, are going to worry about their reputation of not satisfying members who only showed up once in a blue moon anyhow. Think of all the gym “members” who are lucky to even go to the gym more than twice a week at best.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @stillCARealist
  10. Trinity says:
    @Morton's toes

    It doesn’t take much. I only hiked hills with a weighted vest every other day and did one weightlifting exercise twice a week with a pair of dumbbells. Dumbbell clean and push presses work the whole body and get the cardio going as well. I would also do pushups between chairs with the weighted vest as well as do pull-ups off my back deck. Nothing complicated and it wasn’t time consuming. Gyms are expensive because of all the machines. Free weights are cheap and unless you are injured or impaired somewhat you should spend limited time on machines anyhow. Believe me, your dumbbells go up to 95lbs, it takes a strong man to clean and push press two 75lb dumbbells for reps, much less 95lbs. You aren’t going to outgrow your dumbbells by cleaning and pressing them anytime soon.

  11. anon[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Early spread of wuflu in Fiji was traced to an infected airline hostie going to a zumba class.

  12. Fun with corona graphs:

    US version:
    https://covidgraph.com/usa/

    International version:
    https://covidgraph.com

    • Replies: @moshe
  13. @Morton's toes

    People pay far too much for exercise equipment. Most of it is a waste.

    Home gym stuff is cheap. A buddy gave me my Olympic bar when his roommate (the former owner) went to prison. I got mismatched plates from various places for a few bucks each. I got a squat rack from some guy on Craigslist for $90, and one of my pals bought me a secondhand bench for my birthday.

    Running is free. You can do it practically any clothes and shoes. I’ve ran in leather dress shoes. It doesn’t matter. I run nowadays in forty dollar converse sneakers. They’re fine. “Running” shoes are an advertising trick.

    You can do push-ups, raised-leg dips, pull-ups and other great bodyweight exercises anywhere on practically anything. I do pull-ups when I walk by trees with suitable branches or when I pass under construction scaffolding if it isn’t too filthy looking.

    I’m not at all a minimalist, I just can’t imagine someone spending money on this kind of stuff.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    , @Polynikes
  14. Peterike says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Wow this Judge Chatigny seems a real winner looking at his Wiki page. He’s even lenient on child pornographers.

    “the sentences imposed by Judge Chatigny in 12 child-pornography cases were “either at or more lenient than the recommended minimum – with most downward departures involving sentences less than half as long”

    There’s lots more.

    Oh and yeah, he’s Jewish. Shocking, I know.

    • Troll: moshe
  15. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:

    If they were taking the classes outdoors and dancing there, the infection rate would likely be nil. Wind would dilute it, and UV light would kill it.

  16. epebble says:
    @Anonymous

    Rooftops/outdoors obviously can’t be used in bad weather, which is probably more than half the time. Much easier to have good ventilation with a high, say, 60 Air changes per hour. That will have all the goodness of outdoorness without the bad weather.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_changes_per_hour

  17. NC says:
    @Morton's toes

    Wait, hold up, if I’m reading this right then you have 19 pairs of hex dumbbells from 5 lbs up to 95 lbs in 5lb increments or 38 separate dumbbells in your home gym? At a conservative estimate of $1 per lb that’s almost $2000 in dumbbells and an entire wall of your house occupied by nothing but dumbbells. I don’t think anyone would sneer at that. A lot of commercial gyms probably don’t have that many dumbbells, and I wish I had the money and space for that many separate dumbbells. That setup seems unlikely but if true that’s a genuinely impressive commitment to dumbbell focused physical culture.

    I’m definitely not casting aspersions here or saying there’s anything wrong with your gym, but why not just get an olympic bar, cage and 300lbs of plates like everyone else? I’m not a dumbbell expert but it seems like you couldn’t really work the squat with just dumbbells and you’d be missing out on the stability you get with a bar in the deadlift. Even if you add adjustable dumbbells with another 190lbs of dumbbell plates just to work the movements traditionally done with dumbbells your total for all of the above is still only ~$1000. Also if you really did get all those iron, hex dumbbells for less than $1000 then where are you sourcing your dumbbells?

  18. …apparently nobody got infected from germs left on the floor by the salsa aerobics classes. (But perhaps the gym sprayed down the mats or something?)

    Remember Greg Louganis diving while positive, and not telling anyone? One excuse was that chlorine in the pool took care of it. What does chlorine do to Covid-19?

    Characteristics that might have led to transmission from the instructors in Cheonan include large class sizes, small spaces, and intensity of the workouts.

    In other words, the very opposite of goat yoga.

  19. @PiltdownMan

    Korean culture has become hip in America in the last 20 years or so amongst a subset of youth. Korean pop music (“K-Pop”) is big –remember “Gangnam Style”?

    The whole Korean-culture growth in popularity is likely a 3-part combo: (1) the fascination rides on the coattails with the the more popular Japanese culture fixation some youth have (anime-manga-video games-karate-etc.); (2) lots of 2nd generation Korean-American youth getting into their homeland’s culture and others latching on; and (3) the general interest youth have in alien cultures, whether it be from their own genetic history or others.

    Europe is more Americanized these days while Korea is both 1st world and yet also its own distinct culture, so it’s a safe culture to explore and a nice country to visit, and of course, the anti-white media message have also played a part in driving kids away from white countries.

  20. J.Ross says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    The whole thing was lost when rape and murder were made okay so long as a nonwhite does it. Right now a story about a black man seducing, blackmailing, and murdering a white girl is being reported as a story about a corrupt cop who enjoyed some of the blackmail pics. Corona-chan is not killing enough people.

  21. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Korean pop music appeals to a female instinct to swoon over boy bands. After all, what’s topping the charts in the US? Black rappers talking about hos. This does not appeal to the average white girl.

    As for the rest of Korean pop culture, it does a very clever thing. It lets girls be girls, and is girlish in its visuals and marketing. It reeks unapologetically of cuteness. In the US, this marketing opportunity is largely ignored.

    The US wants its girls to be substitute boys, and to grow up fast and become adults. The US elite does not want its daughters to be girly. It wants them tattooed, pierced, sexually attracted in women, hanging out with black and Hispanic criminals, and screaming venomous political slogans against the normies.

    In other words, it wants them to behave like pirates from the Age of Sail.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Black-hole creator
  22. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:

    This reminds me of this passage from one of the twentieth century’s most notable novels:

    In the middle of one of the unlighted blocks I saw what appeared to be a person standing on the sidewalk directly in front of me. As I approached the silent figure, whose features were hidden in the shadow of a large tree overhanging the sidewalk, it remained motionless, blocking my way.

    Feeling some apprehension, I slipped my pistol out of its holster. Then, when I was within a dozen feet of the figure, which had been facing away from me, it began turning slowly toward me. There was something indescribably eerie about the movement, and I stopped in my tracks as the figure continued to turn. A slight breeze rustled the foliage overhead, and suddenly a beam of moonlight broke through the leaves and fell directly on the silently turning shape before me.

    The first thing I saw in the moonlight was the placard with its legend in large, block letters: “I denied the coronavirus.” Above the placard leered the horribly bloated, purplish face of a young woman, her eyes wide open and bulging, her mouth agape. Finally I could make out the thin, vertical line of rope disappearing into the branches above. Apparently the rope had slipped a bit or the branch to which it was tied had sagged, until the woman’s feet were resting on the pavement, giving the uncanny appearance of a corpse standing upright of its own volition.

  23. @NC

    Does your landlord let you lift heavyweights in an upstairs apartment?

    • Replies: @NC
  24. vhrm says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    I’m surprised Newsweek would allow that opinion piece on their site. Isn’t it hate speech?

    Also I’d assumed from that excerpt that Judge Chatigny is a woman, but apparently his (?) first names is Robert.

  25. @Anon

    First time I hear about the Korean culture being popular anywhere but Korea, apart from that one funny video with the feisty portly fella. My impression is that white teenage girls listen to the likes of Taylor Swift. The charts have not been relevant since Napster and Grammies have long degenerated into some weird gatherings of mostly unrecognizable personalities.

    Germany and Austria have been reopened, the Bundesliga is in full swing. Belarus and Sweden were never closed and no mass graves have yet been observed in those countries. But we have Fauci ! Take that Sweden.

    • Replies: @Michelle
  26. prosa123 says:

    Barbells and other weights are in very short supply, though that’s slowly starting to change.

  27. AnonAnon says:

    How funny Zumba classes spread the disease but there were no clusters traced to spin classes? None traced to people doing cardio on the treadmills, stepmills, stair masters? Perhaps it’s not the hard breathing but how tightly people are packed in and whether you move through someone else’s breathing space, like you do in a dance class. In my LA Fitness the Zumba type classes tend to be jam packed, barely arm width apart, but the spin room is limited by the number of bikes and more spread out.

    Fitness equipment has been impossible to get since the lockdown started. We’ve been trying to buy an air bike for a couple of months but the good ones have been on back order for weeks. My husband and I end up dusting off our 25 year old mountain bikes. My cyclist brother tells me bikes are the new toilet paper and are getting very hard to get.

    I don’t think gyms have to operate outdoors, tiny muscle head places excepted. My LA Fitness has enormously high ceilings and the cardio equipment is in two big lines, all facing the same direction. It’s pretty easy to spread out except for the group fitness classes, like Zumba, so those could cut down on the number of people. My Vancouver, BC friend tell me their gyms are opening back up on Monday but they seem to have a competent public health director who is an MD and is a former military doctor who had experience dealing with Ebola in Africa and SARS in Toronto.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  28. JosephB says:

    while lower intensity aerobic workouts and anaerobics like weightlifting can be moved outdoors. As I’ve been suggesting for a long time, let storefront businesses temporarily colonize their parking lot spaces in front of their stores.

    You’re being a bit provincial here: most of the US is not southern California. Move exercise outdoors? Hmm…Tuesday has a high of 60 here. There is also this liquid precipitation thing that tends to fall at random times.

  29. NC says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I have a basement gym. I have had my stuff in upper floor apartments before, and no one ever complained. If I’d dropped the bar on heavy lifts like the squat or benchpress, the safety bars in the powercage would have caught it. For the deadlift I always just used those interlocking foam floor pads under the plates. The worst case scenario would have been some damaged floorboards. For the typical powercage, bench, bar and set of plates setup, that’s about 500lbs. If you had 1900lbs of dumbbells in your home gym like the guy I was replying to, I think at that point you’d have to be concerned about the integrity of the joists and girders in your building.

  30. moshe says:
    @Anonymous

    No. I support letting the stinkin’ Safespacers stew in their juices Locked Down until they surrender.

    No masks. No retrofitting. No social distancing.

    Give an inch and you’ll never stop giving.

    Just say NO to Safespacers and all of their works.

    They want to be let out of solitary confinement as much as anyone else does. Well, let them choose. Our world or theirs.

  31. moshe says:
    @Lars Porsena

    US version: https://covidgraph.com/usa

    I love that “lethality” column.

    At this point the only people left to fool by counting “deaths of known cases” are the extremely ignorant or extremely mentally ill.

    According to their table 10% of people who “are infected with the virus” have died.

    Ten percent!

    Who is their audience exactly?

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
  32. Old Prude says:
    @Trinity

    Pull-up bar, dumbbells, running shoes and a road. I don’t get the gym membership thing. You won’t be Lou Ferrigno but you’ll be fit and trim.

    • Agree: Trinity
  33. Thoughts says:

    I lived for my Twerk class.

    It’s been moved outside, but that’s just not the same….

    I need the big mirror!!

  34. @AnonAnon

    Fitness equipment has been impossible to get since the lockdown started.

    Yes, I saw that while watching the telly as I worked out in my fitness room.

  35. Thoughts says:
    @Morton's toes

    Yeah but it’s boring and you are alone

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  36. Thoughts says:

    None of you are coming from a female perspective…

    My twerk class comment was not a joke.

    Women are held to a higher standard then men when it comes to fitness. It takes me A LOT of working out to stay fit.

    Before Corona, and this is not a joke, I was in a dance program for 4 days a week…Mon/Tuesday I danced 3 hours straight…and Wednesday/Thursday I did 4 hours straight

    Anyways, weight lifting and all that rubbish doesn’t work…I just get Fatter…Yes of course I lift weights…but I don’t look at the men in the gym and go ‘Wow he’s got a good body’

    You guys are allowed to be Fat with Some Muscles

    We aren’t

    (Running is my own personal hell)

    I think you guys just have wayyyy lower body standards. Your idea of fitness is my idea of HAHAHAHAHA.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Bernard
  37. JimB says:

    In both Pilates and yoga, you put your hands on the floor, but apparently nobody got infected from germs left on the floor by the salsa aerobics classes. (But perhaps the gym sprayed down the mats or something?)

    For Yoga and Pilates, women bring their own mats.

  38. Michelle says:
    @Black-hole creator

    Korean pop bands and TV shows are very popular in many countries outside of Korea. K-pop concerts are sold out events here in the bay area.

    • Replies: @Black-hole creator
  39. @moshe

    I can’t verify their accuracy.

    But they have, if you scroll around, a lot of options for how to graph the data. It’s quite nifty to me because if you do a Bing image search for “covid graph”, you get page after page of hockey stick graphs that were last updated early April, and cumulative count graphs that only ever rise higher and the like.

    That 6% lethality for the US is just the CFR. I don’t know what else they could use without being too presumptuous.

    Pick 5-6 states (or the country) you want to compare, check out Daily Cases/M (or Daily Deaths/M) and Tests/M and %positive tests. Gives you a picture you definitely don’t get from the media hockey sticks of doom.

    Their comorbidities graph also links the following study:

    https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_16_april_2020.pdf

    Out of 21 regions of Italy, 57% of all deaths came from 1 region (Lombardia), 13.9% from Emilia Romagna, less than 10% all the rest, including less than 2% for 15 regions.

    On comorbidities for the deceased:

    69.7% hypertension
    32.0% Type 2 diabetes
    27.7% ischemic heart disease
    22.0% chronic renal failure
    21.9% atrial fibrillation
    17.8% COPD
    16.2% active cancer in the last 5 years
    15.5% heart failure
    14.6% dementia
    11.8% obesity
    10.9% stroke
    4.0% chronic liver disease
    3.4% autoimmune disease
    0.3% HIV

    3.6% of the deceased had 0 comorbidities, 14.4% had 1, 20.7% had 2, 61.3% had 3 or more.

    It also shows comorbidities among the general population, which isn’t far off. The biggest disproportionate killers seem to be, type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease, chronic renal disease, atrial fibrillation and COPD.

  40. Alice says:

    you bring your own mat to yoga and pilates.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  41. @Daniel Williams

    This is the way I look at gyms:

    Pay $20 to have your driveway shoveled for you, leaves raked or yard mowed.
    Pay $20/month to go to a place where you can pick up a round object and put it back down because you’re not active enough.

    Being seen getting actual work done might be declasse. It is fashionable to be seen exerting yourself as long as you aren’t accomplishing anything.

  42. Great, like I needed another excuse not to exercise.

  43. @Trinity

    Our gym owner just said, “screw it,” and opened back up. There are limits to class size and we wipe equipment down, but he’s back to full participation with his clientele. No masks (are you kidding?).

    Those of you who can maintain muscle and fitness outside of a gym regimen, my hat’s off to you. Lots of us returning to the gym are either fatter (eating and drinking) or skinnier (losing muscle). There’s nothing like a timed class with a prescribed workout in the presence of your peers to give you a physique. Well, that and a strict diet.

  44. @NC

    Also if you really did get all those iron, hex dumbbells for less than $1000 then where are you sourcing your dumbbells?

    If you are patient and shop around on craigslist, you can get plates and dumbbells for .25-40 per lb.

  45. @Morton's toes

    Point I
    ——–

    If you are remotely serious, you need a barbell to deadlift (and some kind of pad to deaden the vibration when placed down/dropped the last 2-3 inches) and a squat rack as well. Which takes up a lot of space.

    That is, if you want to get bigger… and enjoy the effects of testosterone

    Also, the social component at gyms is half the motivation

    People who are going to the gym are not going to get sick … that’s kind of the whole point

    Point II
    ———
    About the Zumba which is the gist of Steve’s post – In my experience in NYC, Zumba attracts fat girls. Obesity –> inclination to be diseased

    Pilates and yoga attracts the lithe and winsome. Trust me

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  46. Possumman says:

    Are silly costumes required for Zumba?

  47. peterike says:

    NYC update. Apparently, the state is telling “non-essential” businesses in NYC that they may be able to START returning people to their offices (as in 10% of workforce) by THE END OF JUNE.

    I always wondered what Carthage looked like after the Romans got through with it. I guess the Fabulous Bozo Brothers in New York are going to let me have a good sense of it.

    • Agree: prosa123
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @moshe
    , @Redman
  48. @NC

    I got everything up to 75# on wal-mart.com. I couldn’t believe how cheap it was and delivered free. I think it must have been an overstock dump. This was in 2016. The other eight pieces I got second hand here and there and they do not all match.

    It really does not seem to me to take up much room.

  49. Trinity says:
    @Thoughts

    Actually weight training or resistance training is far better in promoting fat loss. I see the same people slog on a treadmill for an hour 4-5 days a week for months and they make absolutely no changes to their body. Resistance training is going to boost your metabolic rate and you will continue to burn calories long after your workout is over with. And most importantly losing weight is more DIET than anything else. It really isn’t going to matter what type of exercise you engage in if you eat garbage or consume thousands of calories a day. As for just losing weight, it is even more simple, you expend you more calories than you consume, it isn’t rocket science.

    There are many ways to train with weights, it isn’t just going in there and heaving weights, it depends on what your goals happen to be, lose weight, gain weight, add muscle size, improve muscular endurance, become more explosive or increase speed, etc. I question how hard you are working out if you can do something for a couple hours straight. I see a lot of people spend hours in the gym and most of that is just talking and about 15-20 minutes of working out. I bet you would be better off doing 100 plain good ole fashioned burpees every day for a month than wasting 3-4 hours each workout session “twerking” or whatever it is you are doing. I guarantee anyone who really wants to see their body change and increase their fitness level need only one exercise for starters. Do 100 burpees every single day for 100 consecutive days and get back with me later. If you have to do 20 sets of 5 for starters, start there and work your way up, just hit 100 reps a day and keep trying to decrease the amount of time it takes to perform them. No gym, no equipment, and you only need a small space. Get creative with the movement as well, lots of varieties of burpees.

  50. @Currier House

    If you are remotely serious, you need … Also, the social component at gyms is half the motivation

    Not for everyone. I can’t imagine wanting other people around me while I exercise. I think I could endure it if I had to, but I can’t imagine seeking it out.

    And of course you can do satisfactory compound exercises with as much or as little equipment as you’d like. People have been building muscle with calisthenics for millennia.

  51. @Lars Porsena

    Pay $20 to have your driveway shoveled for you, leaves raked or yard mowed.

    I’ve never understood that either. I like mowing my lawn.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  52. @Thoughts

    Yeah but it’s boring and you are alone

    Negotiating boredom and loneliness is just as important as physical fitness.

  53. @Michelle

    Interesting, live and learn. Still, I highly doubt that k-pop is “very popular” outside of Korea and probably its neighbors. But that’s the power of internet – much easier to find a niche both for bands and fans that is until the Silicon moguls decide to censor you.

    TV-shows too ?

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  54. Wait a minute… It’s “herd immunity”, not “flock immunity”. So why are they treating us like sheep?

  55. @peterike

    Apparently, the state is telling “non-essential” businesses in NYC that they may be able to START returning people to their offices (as in 10% of workforce) by THE END OF JUNE.

    The state, eh? Does this apply to appleknockers, too? To Buffalo Joe and Mr Spahn?

    I suspect cynical upstaters may enjoy watching the city suffer a bit longer. I would.

    Also, the relative lack of “big box” stores and the disappearance of department stores in the city suggest the ratio of specialist retailers to general ones is quite high. Depending on the state, this hurts the “non-essential” businesses far more than the big-boxers, who can still sell the non-essentials because they happen to have a grocery and/or a pharmacy.

    The quilt store and the art supply place in our county are closed or reduced to curbside pickup, but we can still browse for that stuff at Walmart.

    I always wondered what Carthage looked like after the Romans got through with it.

    Visit the salt flats in Bolivia.

    • Replies: @peterike
    , @Buffalo Joe
  56. moshe says:
    @peterike

    Are there any laws in nyc regarding masks or can one get a lot of stares and talkback but still go in walgreens, ride the subway, etc maskfree without the law being able to do anything about it?

    Where I am now you can get fined wround $500 if caught on a bus without a mask and stores and museums, are not allowed to do any business with you if you aren’t a CO² snorter.

    • Replies: @Redman
    , @peterike
  57. Malla says:

    Can’t one watch a Zumba video on youtube and do it at home? All you have to do is follow the instructor, in real life or on a screen.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  58. prosa123 says:
    @Alice

    Yoga studios have mats available for people who don’t bring their own, usually for a dollar or two extra, but the mats are always wiped down with sanitizer. Long before this virus it was standard practice to sanitize mats.

  59. peterike says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Also, the relative lack of “big box” stores and the disappearance of department stores in the city suggest the ratio of specialist retailers to general ones is quite high.

    Indeed, also the prevalence of independent restaurants rather than chains. New York City may be in for a bankruptcy tsunami in the next few weeks.

    But anyway, I wasn’t referring to retailers. I was talking about corporate offices. The “limited opening at the end of June” is actually for major corporations allowing workers to return. And then it will be limited numbers, rotating work schedules, “social distancing” rules, maybe masks too, who knows. They are suggesting things won’t be back to the old-normal in offices until the end of 2020. Complete insanity and nanny-state-ism gone haywire. And of course when winter comes along there will be a surge of some damn flu or other. Just in time to tighten the screws again.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  60. Sorry, but- fitness is overrated. Except, of course, for those people who enjoy physical exercises. Then, of course, it is not only good- it’s great.

    Otherwise… forget it. Live a happy moderate life. The joy of living will set you free.

    As far as this dance goes, it is evidently-or at least a part of it- an imitation of female mating movements (in primates as well as in some other mammals). Just like twerking, it is disgusting.

    This is, basically, eroticism for the lowest strata of humans.

  61. Bernard says:
    @Thoughts

    Your husband/boyfriend is a lucky man. Good work, keep it up.

  62. Redman says:
    @peterike

    Thanks for ruining my day Peterike.

    As I’ve mentioned here before, I was hit with the Wuflu right before the peak (3/10). It lasted about 2-3 weeks, but I felt well enough to come into my law office in midtown Manhattan by 3/21. I’ve been coming to work everyday since. There are about 3-4 of us who come in on most days.

    I don’t understand people’s patience. My assumption was that after a week or two people would start ignoring the shutdown. But nope.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  63. Redman says:
    @moshe

    I haven’t ridden the subways or buses since pre-Covid. But I don’t wear a mask walking down the street. Most cops have been going with the chin mask for a while, so i take it they don’t care.

    Drug stores have had rules about wearing masks for over a month, but they’re not uniformly enforced. A month ago Duane Reade stores had cops enforcing the rule at the entrance but the others don’t seem to care any more.

    • Thanks: moshe
  64. peterike says:
    @moshe

    Are there any laws in nyc regarding masks or can one get a lot of stares and talkback but still go in walgreens, ride the subway, etc maskfree without the law being able to do anything about it?

    Honestly, it beats me. I know my local grocery requires it, as do all the local CVS type stores. Some stores it’s optional, so I think it could be up to the store. Some restaurants that are doing takeout require you to have a mask on to pickup your order, outside. It’s idiotic.

    You are required to wear masks on the subway, but I haven’t even been on the subway in two months. There’s nowhere to go.

    Here’s some fun local ‘Rona news from the usual suspects.

    https://gothamist.com/news/brooklyn-yeshiva-allegedly-caught-holding-classes-least-60-students-inside

  65. prosa123 says:
    @peterike

    According to a trade association survey less than 15% of the 500 Manhattan restaurants surveyed were able to make their full rent payments on May 1. Some were able to make partial payments while others paid nothing at all, but the survey report did not show a breakdown. It doesn’t help that city restaurants routinely operate on extremely thin margins.

    Absent a massive federal bailout program, about the only hope for NYC restaurants is that landlords will be reasonable once the eviction moratorium expires in August and will let restaurants pay back rent in installments rather than all at once (assuming, of course, the restaurants are doing enough business by then to stay afloat). That would seem to be logical, as otherwise the landlords would be stuck with a huge inventory of vacant space, but while that would be true elsewhere in the country New York is different. City landlords routinely let commercial space lie vacant for many years, constantly turning down rent offers, in the hopes that prestige tenants will come along and pay premium rents.

    One way or another, the surviving restaurant industry will be much, much smaller than what it is now.

    Separately, the issue of office workers continuing to work from home is a big question mark. So far it seems to be working out okay, albeit based on mostly anecdotal evidence, but no one knows if it will be a permanent thing once the crisis is over. It would have to overcome resistance from managers (harder to contro/micromanage workers) and the workers themselves (who fear being expendable if not always in the office).

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  66. Polynikes says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Running is free. You can do it practically any clothes and shoes.

    And for those over-weight or out of shape, walking burns just about as many calories per mile as running, especially if you can kick the pace up a little. If your average sedentary person got out and walked 2 miles every evening or morning they would likely see a noticeable difference in their health.

    I take the dog every morning. I often jog, but in the winter time we usually just walk (for several reasons). Picking the pace up at the end and some jumping jacks once I get inside is enough to get the hear rate up to do some quick exercises in the morning. I used to live in the gym, but life gets hectic. And as you and others have pointed out, you can get 90% of a good basic workout done alone at home.

  67. What if you walked through a room breathing normally among a lot of people who were exercising or singing – would you have an increased risk, or does it have to be a two-way street?

    What if you were in a room with a bunch of other people breathing normally but you were huffing and puffing?

    These questions occurred to me over the weekend while I was in a big box home store out of breath because I’d just put eight sacks of mulch on a cart while wearing a mask.

  68. @Lars Porsena

    “Pay $20 to have your driveway shoveled for you, leaves raked or yard mowed.
    Pay $20/month to go to a place where you can pick up a round object and put it back down because you’re not active enough.”

    False dichotomy/dilemma. I do all my yard work and home maintenance and I go to the gym. If my only exercise were yard work, I’d be as weak, sickly, and cowardly as Sailer.

    Get Out Live Life!

  69. @Mr McKenna

    Wow, Steve. Three parts to that post from yesterday so who knows which (or all?) bugged you. Oh well.

  70. @Redman

    As I’ve mentioned here before, I was hit with the Wuflu right before the peak (3/10). It lasted about 2-3 weeks, but I felt well enough to come into my law office in midtown Manhattan by 3/21. I’ve been coming to work everyday since.

    Soooo…. you possibly sent some people to an early grave. Thanks for your concern about overpopulation…

    • LOL: moshe
  71. @Black-hole creator

    You clearly are not paying attention.

    • Replies: @Michelle
  72. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, thirty minutes from Apple Knocker Buffalo Joe’s house you will find the Retsof salt mines. Some of the largest salt deposits in the country. Plenty of salt to cover the streets of Gotham.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  73. @prosa123

    prosa, I don’t know if there will be a government bailout for NYC restaurants, where rents are often tens of thousands monthly. Maybe big brokerages will buy in to maintain membership privileges.

  74. @Buffalo Joe

    I always liked the fact that there was a salt mine in the middle of the North Side of Chicago. The salt miners rode the El to work.

    It’s kind of like how the main Ice Age mammal tar pit in California is right on Wilshire Blvd.’s Miracle Mile of big insurance office towers.

  75. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When visiting Chicago I remember on WGN they had a news feature on the little mini subway they had to transport mail and stuff to many buildings somewhere in downtown Chicago. A couple of years later a barge or ship rammed the coastline and caused a massive flood-out that had water gushing out the ground floors of many prestigious and expensive buildings.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  76. @Anonymous

    The 1992 Chicago Coal Tunnel Flood. It was this weird disaster where everybody fled Chicago’s Loop despite no visible problems.

  77. @Malla

    Can’t one watch a Zumba video on youtube and do it at home? All you have to do is follow the instructor, in real life or on a screen.

    Check out “The Mirror Workout System.” $1500.

  78. @Steve Sailer

    I have no recollection of a salt mine in Chicago.

    Is Salt Mined Under Chicago?
    By Dan Weissmann

    My first call — to Morton Salt’s press contact, Denise Lauer — didn’t get returned right away, so I called our nation’s expert on salt: Dennis Kostik, the “salt commodity specialist” with the US Geological Survey. He’s literally the nation’s expert on salt and, if there’s salt coming out of Chicago, he’s going to know it.

    So? Do we have the stuff?

    “Hmmm,” he says, trying to find a nice way to put this. “Well, there’s a couple of other cities, really, that have that honor. The city of Detroit has a salt mine underneath of it, that is true.”

    Yep. Detroit. Cleveland, too. But not us, not Chicago. No.

    https://www.wbez.org/stories/is-salt-mined-under-chicago/c113ee17-5cee-450e-a875-4615cdbf99ec

  79. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, these are the new mines, in the existing salt strata, as the old mines flooded after a salt pillar collapsed. They were worried that the Genesee River would turn to salt water and then on into Lake Ontario. Never happened. I remember stopping in Scranton, Pa for gas, I guess some of the coal mines are right under the city. Life and business without the EPA.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  80. @Buffalo Joe

    They were worried that the Genesee River would turn to salt water and then on into Lake Ontario.

    As if Kodak’s and Bausch & Lomb’s industrial waste flavoring Genesee Cream Ale wasn’t enough.

    Syracuse, by the way, is known as “The Salt City”.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  81. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, I put up a coal fired steam boiler at Kodak, some steam to generate electricity the rest was process steam for their film making. It was nothing but a huge chemical plant.

  82. @Steve Sailer

    I always liked the fact that there was a salt mine in the middle of the North Side of Chicago. The salt miners rode the El to work.

    Anyone know any good salt-mining songs in English? This is a nice one from Brazil. Below it is a Google Translate tongue-wringing.

    Working the salt
    It’s love, the sweat that comes out
    I’ll live singing
    The day so hot it makes

    Man watching child
    Searching for seashells
    I work all day
    For the life of people to take

    Water becomes salt there in the saline
    Who decreased sea water
    Water faces the sun there in the saline
    Sun that burns until it burns

    Working the salt
    To see the woman get dressed
    And when I get home
    Finding family smiling

    Son come from school
    Bigger problem, study
    That is to not have my job
    And life of people to lead

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