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The Jutes.

Sure, the Saxons lost out to the Angles in getting their name on the language and country. But that’s nothing compared to the marginalization of the Jutes.

We need to fight back against the erasure of the Jutes by getting Biden to declare a Jute History Month. Just tell him that kids these days are really into Jute Pride. Is he going to notice you are pulling his leg? To Joe, it will be just another wacky new thing about the 21st Century that you have to act like you care about if you are a Democratic politician, like how Jacob Blake’s dad informed him that a black guy had now invented the light bulb. He’ll put the Vice President in charge of Jute Awareness: not even Kamala could screw that up.

Paul McCartney could compose a catchy sing-along power ballad to be featured at Jute Pride Parades: “Hey Jute.”

iSteve commenter Dr. X points out:

We could even create a national holiday, “Juteteenth.”

 
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  1. Paul McCartney could compose a catchy sing-along…

    That’s funny – he doesn’t look Jutish.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @Anon7

    These days McCartney couldn't compose a decent song if his life depended on it. You know we're in the Last Days when Ringo is writing better songs than Paul.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    , @The Alarmist
    @Anon7

    McCartney is too recent ... they need one of those guys from Iron Pan Alley.

  2. Speaking of marginalized, what’s the kill count up to now with Israel’s latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Charon


    Speaking of marginalized, what’s the kill count up to now with Israel’s latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.
     
    I’m not sure, but I’m liking the potential for a tranny and/or antifa beat-a-thon by Palestinian Pridesters as the gay antifas attempt to participate in antisemetic Palestinian demonstrations here.

    I think I agree with another commenter. Maybe Jews aren’t as intelligent as we have surmised, in that their best laid plans tend to turn to shit…

    https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1394335319177064451?s=20

    Replies: @Anon7, @James Forrestal

    , @Batman
    @Charon

    The Jews forcing out recent Arab migrants and their descendants gives Americans hope that they can someday do the same to the Latinos who have been imported to replace them.

    , @Sardon
    @Charon

    It's too small.

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Charon

    Here's the short history of "Palestine."

    Jews to the West: "Hey, we've been bopping around Europe since God knows when, and we know you all hate us, so can we have a homeland?"

    The West: "Yeah, it's been really up and down for you guys. Tell you what. We'll give you this shithole a few kilometers south of Lebanon. See what you can make of it. You can use the Land of Canaan bullshit to justify moving in."

    Jews: "Great!"

    Palestinians: "Hey, what are you doing?? This is our shithole. We've got friends, you know, dictators and such in high places. They have tanks!! Watch out...you are going to get your ass kicked."

    Years pass, some wars, some bus bombings, etc. etc.

    Jews: "Hey look at what we've done. We figured out how to grow stuff in the desert, got some high IQ businesses going, we have great special forces, and our spy agency makes the CIA look like pikers."

    Palestinians: "Go to hell, we want our shithole back."

    Jews: "Sorry, no can do. Land of Canaan stuff and all that. Tell you what, you can have your OWN shithole. Just don't lob rockets into the land we took the way lots of other peoples took other people's land since time immemorial."

    And the "Palestinians" lob shitty rockets from their current shithole into the land that used to be their shithole---well, maybe, although who has "title" has always been a problem.

    And so it came to pass we are where we are now.

  3. If our want of diversity wasn’t so fake, there are plenty of vanishing ethnic groups we could cultivate and encourage.

    Instead, we have this call to import and increase the large ethnic groups of India, China, and Africa.

  4. We could even create a national holiday, “Juteteenth.”

  5. Too much. isteve…explained.

  6. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57112631

    “From a demographic point of view, none of this actually needs to be a problem,” says Prof George Leeson of the Oxford Institute of Population Ageing.

    Fertility rates in western Europe have been below replacement level since the 1970s but populations have continued to grow. “The population has just been refreshed and replenished by migration,” he says.

    This must be the far-right Great Refreshment and Replenishment conspiracy theory I’ve been hearing about…

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @Anonymous

    The population has been replenished by immigration.


    Lets make that, the population has been REPLACED by immigration.

    , @Anon55uu
    @Anonymous

    Immigration to the UK is a haphazard affair and it does not all go ethnically in one direction.

    There is a census category “white british” but another one “white other”, which ranges from 1.7% in the north east to about 15% in London. Some of the latter are likely Jutes (an old friend married a danish woman he met in London).

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest

    Who knows is brexit will shrink the “white others”?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous


    That's because fertility rates are falling fast. As that happens, the population gets older, which can stand in the way of economic growth.
     
    Maybe it's time to ditch economic growth as the only allowed metric.

    Nice graph on the falling fertility around the world, but it leaves out Africa. Bwahaha!!!
  7. Tell Joe about the Jutish kingdom of Kent. That way, he can link it to Superman.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kent

  8. Actually, the peninsular shape of Denmark means there are probably still a few people with near-pure Jute ancestry in Northern Denmark.

    The same cannot be said for Angles, Saxons, Britons, Picts, Normans, etc.

    Sure, Beowulf the Geat came from the north to help the Danes (ruled by Hrothgar), but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes. This means the Geats are even more suitable than the Jutes for the point that Steve is trying to make.

    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats. They make good efforts to keep it alive, and more than just the occasional Cornish pasty.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Thomm


    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats.
     
    When I was maybe twelve I visited Spring Green, WI with a friend and his parents, where apparently everyone was descended from Cornish miners. And (to tie in the Welsh) where Frank Lloyd Wright had built Taliesin, his house and studio.
    , @John Derbyshire
    @Thomm

    By Tre- and Pol- and Pen-
    Ye shall know the Cornish men.

    Replies: @reactionry

    , @Dmon
    @Thomm

    "...but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes."
    Some of those old sagas are tricky to translate. Are you sure the word wasn't Goats?

    , @Bill P
    @Thomm

    American "Anglos" are probably quite a bit more Brythonic by ancestry than the average English. That's because so many settlers came from the west of Britain, Bristol being the main port for ships sailing to the American colonies. Our standard American rhotic accent comes from the SW near Cornwall and Wales.

    Naturally a lot of Welsh and Cornish sailed from Bristol (which is on the Welsh border) to the colonies as well. My surname is from a Welshman who settled Jamestown in 1610. When you meet people with names like Powell, Lewis, Hughes, Davis, Williams, Jones and so on they likely have an ancestor who set sail from Bristol.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thomm

  9. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon
    Speaking of marginalized, what's the kill count up to now with Israel's latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Batman, @Sardon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Speaking of marginalized, what’s the kill count up to now with Israel’s latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.

    I’m not sure, but I’m liking the potential for a tranny and/or antifa beat-a-thon by Palestinian Pridesters as the gay antifas attempt to participate in antisemetic Palestinian demonstrations here.

    I think I agree with another commenter. Maybe Jews aren’t as intelligent as we have surmised, in that their best laid plans tend to turn to shit…

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Anonymous

    "...antifa beat-a-thon by Palestinian Pridesters as the gay antifas attempt to participate in antisemetic Palestinian demonstrations here."

    I'm also watching the demos in Dearborn as one of the largest population of Arabs outside the Middle East starts protesting against Israel. About 2,000 people marched yesterday.

    And what does antifa like better than this, the chance to carry out some mischief under the cover of some larger movement?

    However, I'm wondering if the ethnic uniformity of Dearborn is having an effect. You really don't want to mess with 40,000 people who come from a combative religious and cultural background.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Anonymous

    While it's true that many low level antifags tend to sympathize with the indigenous Palestinians in their struggle with the Zionist settler-colonialists, they're just useful idiots. They fall in line when they get their orders:

    https://i.postimg.cc/rFCfV10Q/Antifa-Israel.jpg

    At the top level -- where it matters -- antifa has always been an openly semitic supremacist organization.

    Just ask the Jewish Daily Forward:

    https://twitter.com/jdforward/status/1311403033432121349

  10. [[[Jutes]]] are secretly pulling the strings.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Rahan

    Very good.

    No need to worry about the Italian ones

    https://youtu.be/Hu8tX2BAD1k

    , @jimmyriddle
    @Rahan

    QEII is a direct descendant of Hengist and Horsa.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Rahan

    Exactly. And those Jutish string-pullers like Sailer are blatantly Celt exclusionary -- if not frank advocates of anti-Celticism. We must interrogate the assumptions of their hermeneutics from a more inclusive standpoint if we ever hope to achieve a truly equitable praxis in this narrative discourse.

  11. It’s like you read my comments and write about them months (sometimes years) later: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-worlds-shortest-seminar-tolkien-and-diversity/#comment-4484498

    the English people were said to be the descendants of the “Anglo-Saxon” (Jutes are sadly neglected) conquerors who displaced the native Brythonic peoples

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    (Jutes are sadly neglected)
     
    Why did you snub the Frisians?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians#Migration_to_England_and_Scotland

    Replies: @anon

  12. From Billund, their base in central Jutland, the modern Jutes have quietly been conquering the world:



    • Agree: neutral
  13. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Ed West had a long article about the Saxons last week. I’d always taken him for a Norman apologist but I guess he’s open-minded about it. These are the kind of pressing issues the Right needs to fixate on at this moment

    • LOL: Bill B.
  14. Do I detect a note of anti-juteism? RACIST!

    • Replies: @mc23
    @jsinton

    That would be Anti-Peninsular. Can't mention Jute

    , @silviosilver
    @jsinton

    Rubbish. Some of my best friends are Jutes!

    , @Swamp Fox
    @jsinton

    Sold a car to one of these guys. He really tried to Jute me down.
    And Jacob Blake really wouldn't know if you were pulling his leg.

  15. Kudos to Steve and Dr X. Very funny post + comment; brightened my day.

  16. @Twinkie
    It’s like you read my comments and write about them months (sometimes years) later: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-worlds-shortest-seminar-tolkien-and-diversity/#comment-4484498

    the English people were said to be the descendants of the “Anglo-Saxon” (Jutes are sadly neglected) conquerors who displaced the native Brythonic peoples
     

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    (Jutes are sadly neglected)

    Why did you snub the Frisians?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians#Migration_to_England_and_Scotland

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Because they are the Frisii space.

  17. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57112631

    "From a demographic point of view, none of this actually needs to be a problem," says Prof George Leeson of the Oxford Institute of Population Ageing.

    Fertility rates in western Europe have been below replacement level since the 1970s but populations have continued to grow. "The population has just been refreshed and replenished by migration," he says.
     
    This must be the far-right Great Refreshment and Replenishment conspiracy theory I've been hearing about...

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Anon55uu, @bomag

    The population has been replenished by immigration.

    Lets make that, the population has been REPLACED by immigration.

  18. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    (Jutes are sadly neglected)
     
    Why did you snub the Frisians?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians#Migration_to_England_and_Scotland

    Replies: @anon

    Because they are the Frisii space.

  19. Hear hear.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @International Jute

    I see you took your username from Henryk Fjord's classic book on the subject.

    Replies: @International Jew

  20. Grandma’s carpet pads were made of Jutes. Despite, or maybe because of, being fibers of color, people wiped the floor with them.

  21. Immigrant Celts ought to compensate descendants of pre-Celts … then Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians recompense the Celts. And then Romans, Normans, Danes and Vikings need to work out who ought to compensate whom.

    By an odd chance, this was in *The Guardian* today –

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/18/a-jewish-case-for-palestinian-refugee-return

    ……….. and I hope you ALL find time to read every word!

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Billy Corr

    Interesting article.

    Still, in the end, as your post relates, addressing these historical claims comes down to picking an epoch and people and quashing other petitions. I'd sure like to recreate the ethnic neighborhoods in our cities circa 1950.

    , @njguy73
    @Billy Corr

    Who's gonna compensate the descendants of the Mesopotamian hominids who got invaded by the African homo sapiens 70 millenia BCE?

    Oh, that's right. They were fleeing climate change, er, a volcanic eruption.

    Or maybe they were coming to do the jobs that Mesopotamians wouldn't do. Or couldn't do, being that they hadn't evolved much.

  22. According to Philip Daileader, many college students believe, just like certain commenters here, that Jews helped the Anglo-Saxons take over what is now Great Britain.

  23. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word ‘Jutland’, which means ‘Jute-Land’ and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula, depending on circumstances. Not because the said region ‘juts’ out into the Baltic sea.

    For example the famous ‘Battle of Jutland’ of the first world war – that classic confrontation of the Dreadnought dinosaurs, so loved by naval history buffs, was so named for being fought in the North sea, off the Danish coast.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    It's pronounced "Jewt".

    The Danish "Jylland" is pronounced as "Jewland".

    , @mmack
    @Anonymous

    For example the famous ‘Battle of Jutland’ of the first world war – that classic confrontation of the Dreadnought dinosaurs, so loved by naval history buffs, was so named for being fought in the North sea, off the Danish coast.

    And it was easier to pronounce than the German name for it: The Battle of Skagerrak. 😁

    , @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word ‘Jutland’, which means ‘Jute-Land’ and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula . . . .
     
    I've never seen or heard another name for Jutland.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  24. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57112631

    "From a demographic point of view, none of this actually needs to be a problem," says Prof George Leeson of the Oxford Institute of Population Ageing.

    Fertility rates in western Europe have been below replacement level since the 1970s but populations have continued to grow. "The population has just been refreshed and replenished by migration," he says.
     
    This must be the far-right Great Refreshment and Replenishment conspiracy theory I've been hearing about...

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Anon55uu, @bomag

    Immigration to the UK is a haphazard affair and it does not all go ethnically in one direction.

    There is a census category “white british” but another one “white other”, which ranges from 1.7% in the north east to about 15% in London. Some of the latter are likely Jutes (an old friend married a danish woman he met in London).

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest

    Who knows is brexit will shrink the “white others”?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anon55uu

    "There is a census category “white british” but another one “white other”, which ranges from 1.7% in the north east to about 15% in London."

    That'll be Eastern Europeans, not Jutes.

    There was a big airport scrap at Luton Airport a few days ago - here are the arrestees.

    https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/crime/eleven-people-charged-in-connection-with-violent-disorder-at-london-luton-airport-3238332


    Iulian Calota, 55, of Henley Road, Ilford; Marcas Mihai, 25, of Church Hill, London; Oliver Vaduva, 20, of Kimberley Road, London; Stefan-eugen-mihai Stlica, 18, of Henley Road, Ilford; Ion-claudiu Veriga, 24, of Clacton Road, London; Boss Veriga, 28, of Winchester Gardens, Luton; Florin Mihai, 22, of Henley Road, Ilford; Iulian Veriga, 39, of Kenilworth Avenue, Walthamstow; Vijay Vaduva, 20, of Henley Road, Ilford; Marius Mihai, 21, of Azalea Close, Ilford; Marian Gigiu, 47, of Union Street, Dunstable.
     
    Romanians?

    It's true that I can't think of anything named after the Jutes in the UK - the Angles had England, English and East Anglia named after them, the Saxons had Wessex, Essex, Middlesex and Sussex counties named after them (West/East/Middle/South Saxons). Only the Jutish inheritance laws of Kent seem to have survived right up to the 20th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavelkind

    Replies: @Anonymous

  25. What about the Picts?

  26. @Charon
    Speaking of marginalized, what's the kill count up to now with Israel's latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Batman, @Sardon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The Jews forcing out recent Arab migrants and their descendants gives Americans hope that they can someday do the same to the Latinos who have been imported to replace them.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  27. @Rahan
    [[[Jutes]]] are secretly pulling the strings.

    Replies: @Cortes, @jimmyriddle, @James Forrestal

    Very good.

    No need to worry about the Italian ones

  28. Wait a second!,jute is also a type of ROPE!…..and you know what ROPES! are used for

    • Replies: @fish
    @tyrone

    .......tying attractive damsels to railroad tracks.



    Wait ......wrong thread!

  29. @tyrone
    Wait a second!,jute is also a type of ROPE!.....and you know what ROPES! are used for

    Replies: @fish

    …….tying attractive damsels to railroad tracks.

    Wait ……wrong thread!

  30. @Anonymous
    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word 'Jutland', which means 'Jute-Land' and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula, depending on circumstances. Not because the said region 'juts' out into the Baltic sea.

    For example the famous 'Battle of Jutland' of the first world war - that classic confrontation of the Dreadnought dinosaurs, so loved by naval history buffs, was so named for being fought in the North sea, off the Danish coast.

    Replies: @Anon, @mmack, @ben tillman

    It’s pronounced “Jewt”.

    The Danish “Jylland” is pronounced as “Jewland”.

  31. @Charon
    Speaking of marginalized, what's the kill count up to now with Israel's latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Batman, @Sardon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    It’s too small.

  32. Jutes is how unassimilated Messicans pronounce “youths.” One of the more annoying things about an already annoying dialect is how they switch the sounds made by the English J and Y. (Yard is pronounced jard and job is pronounced yob.)

    But yes, we should be thinking of the children.

  33. @Anon7
    Paul McCartney could compose a catchy sing-along...

    That's funny - he doesn't look Jutish.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @The Alarmist

    These days McCartney couldn’t compose a decent song if his life depended on it. You know we’re in the Last Days when Ringo is writing better songs than Paul.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @G. Poulin

    Give the guy a break, he’s a million years old! Of course, so is Ringo.

  34. @Anon55uu
    @Anonymous

    Immigration to the UK is a haphazard affair and it does not all go ethnically in one direction.

    There is a census category “white british” but another one “white other”, which ranges from 1.7% in the north east to about 15% in London. Some of the latter are likely Jutes (an old friend married a danish woman he met in London).

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest

    Who knows is brexit will shrink the “white others”?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “There is a census category “white british” but another one “white other”, which ranges from 1.7% in the north east to about 15% in London.”

    That’ll be Eastern Europeans, not Jutes.

    There was a big airport scrap at Luton Airport a few days ago – here are the arrestees.

    https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/crime/eleven-people-charged-in-connection-with-violent-disorder-at-london-luton-airport-3238332

    Iulian Calota, 55, of Henley Road, Ilford; Marcas Mihai, 25, of Church Hill, London; Oliver Vaduva, 20, of Kimberley Road, London; Stefan-eugen-mihai Stlica, 18, of Henley Road, Ilford; Ion-claudiu Veriga, 24, of Clacton Road, London; Boss Veriga, 28, of Winchester Gardens, Luton; Florin Mihai, 22, of Henley Road, Ilford; Iulian Veriga, 39, of Kenilworth Avenue, Walthamstow; Vijay Vaduva, 20, of Henley Road, Ilford; Marius Mihai, 21, of Azalea Close, Ilford; Marian Gigiu, 47, of Union Street, Dunstable.

    Romanians?

    It’s true that I can’t think of anything named after the Jutes in the UK – the Angles had England, English and East Anglia named after them, the Saxons had Wessex, Essex, Middlesex and Sussex counties named after them (West/East/Middle/South Saxons). Only the Jutish inheritance laws of Kent seem to have survived right up to the 20th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavelkind

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Not quite the same thing, I know, but wasn't Dundee (Scotland) known as the city of 'Jute, Jam and Journalism' as a nod to its main industries - that is hessian cloth weaving, DC Thomson & Co - The Beano and Dandy - and Keillor's Marmalade.

  35. @Anon7
    Paul McCartney could compose a catchy sing-along...

    That's funny - he doesn't look Jutish.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @The Alarmist

    McCartney is too recent … they need one of those guys from Iron Pan Alley.

  36. Put more Tonic in it Steve.

  37. Anonymous[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anon55uu

    "There is a census category “white british” but another one “white other”, which ranges from 1.7% in the north east to about 15% in London."

    That'll be Eastern Europeans, not Jutes.

    There was a big airport scrap at Luton Airport a few days ago - here are the arrestees.

    https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/crime/eleven-people-charged-in-connection-with-violent-disorder-at-london-luton-airport-3238332


    Iulian Calota, 55, of Henley Road, Ilford; Marcas Mihai, 25, of Church Hill, London; Oliver Vaduva, 20, of Kimberley Road, London; Stefan-eugen-mihai Stlica, 18, of Henley Road, Ilford; Ion-claudiu Veriga, 24, of Clacton Road, London; Boss Veriga, 28, of Winchester Gardens, Luton; Florin Mihai, 22, of Henley Road, Ilford; Iulian Veriga, 39, of Kenilworth Avenue, Walthamstow; Vijay Vaduva, 20, of Henley Road, Ilford; Marius Mihai, 21, of Azalea Close, Ilford; Marian Gigiu, 47, of Union Street, Dunstable.
     
    Romanians?

    It's true that I can't think of anything named after the Jutes in the UK - the Angles had England, English and East Anglia named after them, the Saxons had Wessex, Essex, Middlesex and Sussex counties named after them (West/East/Middle/South Saxons). Only the Jutish inheritance laws of Kent seem to have survived right up to the 20th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavelkind

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Not quite the same thing, I know, but wasn’t Dundee (Scotland) known as the city of ‘Jute, Jam and Journalism’ as a nod to its main industries – that is hessian cloth weaving, DC Thomson & Co – The Beano and Dandy – and Keillor’s Marmalade.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  38. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57112631

    "From a demographic point of view, none of this actually needs to be a problem," says Prof George Leeson of the Oxford Institute of Population Ageing.

    Fertility rates in western Europe have been below replacement level since the 1970s but populations have continued to grow. "The population has just been refreshed and replenished by migration," he says.
     
    This must be the far-right Great Refreshment and Replenishment conspiracy theory I've been hearing about...

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Anon55uu, @bomag

    That’s because fertility rates are falling fast. As that happens, the population gets older, which can stand in the way of economic growth.

    Maybe it’s time to ditch economic growth as the only allowed metric.

    Nice graph on the falling fertility around the world, but it leaves out Africa. Bwahaha!!!

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  39. @jsinton
    Do I detect a note of anti-juteism? RACIST!

    Replies: @mc23, @silviosilver, @Swamp Fox

    That would be Anti-Peninsular. Can’t mention Jute

  40. @Anonymous
    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word 'Jutland', which means 'Jute-Land' and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula, depending on circumstances. Not because the said region 'juts' out into the Baltic sea.

    For example the famous 'Battle of Jutland' of the first world war - that classic confrontation of the Dreadnought dinosaurs, so loved by naval history buffs, was so named for being fought in the North sea, off the Danish coast.

    Replies: @Anon, @mmack, @ben tillman

    For example the famous ‘Battle of Jutland’ of the first world war – that classic confrontation of the Dreadnought dinosaurs, so loved by naval history buffs, was so named for being fought in the North sea, off the Danish coast.

    And it was easier to pronounce than the German name for it: The Battle of Skagerrak. 😁

  41. @Billy Corr
    Immigrant Celts ought to compensate descendants of pre-Celts ... then Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians recompense the Celts. And then Romans, Normans, Danes and Vikings need to work out who ought to compensate whom.

    By an odd chance, this was in *The Guardian* today -

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/18/a-jewish-case-for-palestinian-refugee-return

    ........... and I hope you ALL find time to read every word!

    Replies: @bomag, @njguy73

    Interesting article.

    Still, in the end, as your post relates, addressing these historical claims comes down to picking an epoch and people and quashing other petitions. I’d sure like to recreate the ethnic neighborhoods in our cities circa 1950.

  42. @G. Poulin
    @Anon7

    These days McCartney couldn't compose a decent song if his life depended on it. You know we're in the Last Days when Ringo is writing better songs than Paul.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Give the guy a break, he’s a million years old! Of course, so is Ringo.

  43. @Thomm
    Actually, the peninsular shape of Denmark means there are probably still a few people with near-pure Jute ancestry in Northern Denmark.

    The same cannot be said for Angles, Saxons, Britons, Picts, Normans, etc.

    Sure, Beowulf the Geat came from the north to help the Danes (ruled by Hrothgar), but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes. This means the Geats are even more suitable than the Jutes for the point that Steve is trying to make.

    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats. They make good efforts to keep it alive, and more than just the occasional Cornish pasty.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @John Derbyshire, @Dmon, @Bill P

    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats.

    When I was maybe twelve I visited Spring Green, WI with a friend and his parents, where apparently everyone was descended from Cornish miners. And (to tie in the Welsh) where Frank Lloyd Wright had built Taliesin, his house and studio.

  44. @Rahan
    [[[Jutes]]] are secretly pulling the strings.

    Replies: @Cortes, @jimmyriddle, @James Forrestal

    QEII is a direct descendant of Hengist and Horsa.

  45. @Thomm
    Actually, the peninsular shape of Denmark means there are probably still a few people with near-pure Jute ancestry in Northern Denmark.

    The same cannot be said for Angles, Saxons, Britons, Picts, Normans, etc.

    Sure, Beowulf the Geat came from the north to help the Danes (ruled by Hrothgar), but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes. This means the Geats are even more suitable than the Jutes for the point that Steve is trying to make.

    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats. They make good efforts to keep it alive, and more than just the occasional Cornish pasty.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @John Derbyshire, @Dmon, @Bill P

    By Tre- and Pol- and Pen-
    Ye shall know the Cornish men.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    @John Derbyshire

    "Memoirs From A Mousehole"

    Dearest Pasty-Faced* Derb:

    While I was a Cornish woman, I deeply resembled "By Tre- and Pol- and Pen-
    Ye shall know the Cornish men."
    My surname ended (as THomm begins) with a dental fricative - something which tends to be lost by NeanderTHalish speakers of GoTHonic tongues - unless living in prolonged proximity to various and sundry Celts and Sunts.
    With respect to Thomm's aforementioned "Cornish pasty," * an etymologist might wish to avoid stripping that word down to its nearly bare essentials.

    Your Humble Ectoplasmic Ex-Ecdysiast,
    Dolly "Nipple-Titties" Pentreath,
    Mousehole, Cornwall

    * Pasty-Faced - it's possible that after forswearing allegiance to the Crown Mr. Derbyshire might now be getting more sun
    ** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasties

  46. @Thomm
    Actually, the peninsular shape of Denmark means there are probably still a few people with near-pure Jute ancestry in Northern Denmark.

    The same cannot be said for Angles, Saxons, Britons, Picts, Normans, etc.

    Sure, Beowulf the Geat came from the north to help the Danes (ruled by Hrothgar), but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes. This means the Geats are even more suitable than the Jutes for the point that Steve is trying to make.

    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats. They make good efforts to keep it alive, and more than just the occasional Cornish pasty.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @John Derbyshire, @Dmon, @Bill P

    “…but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes.”
    Some of those old sagas are tricky to translate. Are you sure the word wasn’t Goats?

    • LOL: photondancer
  47. Saxons made out okay since there are also three German states whose names include them. In Walter Scott’s Ivanhoe they were simply used as shorthand for Anglo-Saxons (as opposed to Normans).

    Problem is what we think of the modern West is essentially spawned from various Germanic tribes who plastered their names all over Europe even in places that don’t speak Germanic languages, France, Lombardy, Burgundy, etc.

    Of interest to me was always the non-extinct East Germanics from modern-day Ukraine and may have partly originated from Sweden’s Gotland.

    Where Germany herself is referred to in other languages as various tribes, Alemanni, Nemets, etc.

    In Chinese, Japanese and Korean its all based on diutisc (Old High German: of the people), same as Deutschland. What’s interesting is that Chinese and Japanese use a different character as short-hand, in Chinese its 德 (lit: virtue, moral), in Japanese its 独 (lit: solitary, alone)

    • Replies: @Odin
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Where Germany herself is referred to in other languages as various tribes, Alemanni, Nemets, etc.
     
    Alemanni is indeed the name of a German tribe (or rather a confederation of them).

    But not so for Nemets. Depending on which source you consult, this is either

    1. From the name of the early, unattested common parent of all Slavic languages. (I know: who would name Germany after a Slavic language we have no evidence for?) ...or...

    2. The Russian word немец meaning "voiceless" or "mute", in reference to the Germans' astonishing inability to speak Russian.

    The latter explanation was provided by the woman who tried to teach me Russian in university, and is the clear winner on entertainment value.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  48. @Charon
    Speaking of marginalized, what's the kill count up to now with Israel's latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Batman, @Sardon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Here’s the short history of “Palestine.”

    Jews to the West: “Hey, we’ve been bopping around Europe since God knows when, and we know you all hate us, so can we have a homeland?”

    The West: “Yeah, it’s been really up and down for you guys. Tell you what. We’ll give you this shithole a few kilometers south of Lebanon. See what you can make of it. You can use the Land of Canaan bullshit to justify moving in.”

    Jews: “Great!”

    Palestinians: “Hey, what are you doing?? This is our shithole. We’ve got friends, you know, dictators and such in high places. They have tanks!! Watch out…you are going to get your ass kicked.”

    Years pass, some wars, some bus bombings, etc. etc.

    Jews: “Hey look at what we’ve done. We figured out how to grow stuff in the desert, got some high IQ businesses going, we have great special forces, and our spy agency makes the CIA look like pikers.”

    Palestinians: “Go to hell, we want our shithole back.”

    Jews: “Sorry, no can do. Land of Canaan stuff and all that. Tell you what, you can have your OWN shithole. Just don’t lob rockets into the land we took the way lots of other peoples took other people’s land since time immemorial.”

    And the “Palestinians” lob shitty rockets from their current shithole into the land that used to be their shithole—well, maybe, although who has “title” has always been a problem.

    And so it came to pass we are where we are now.

  49. Venerable Bede (672 – 735) wrote:

    “From the Jutes are descended the people of Kent, and of the Isle of Wight, including those in the province of the West-Saxons who are to this day called Jutes, seated opposite to the Isle of Wight.”
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38326/38326-h/38326-h.html

    Uh-oh, “Isle of White,” I mean “Wight”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Guest29048

    Someone with a sense of humour should produce a T-shirt with the outline of the island, with the legend "I Love White". Even better with a heart instead of Love.

    https://i.postimg.cc/mk26GL3r/isleofwight.jpg

  50. @Guest29048
    Venerable Bede (672 – 735) wrote:

    "From the Jutes are descended the people of Kent, and of the Isle of Wight, including those in the province of the West-Saxons who are to this day called Jutes, seated opposite to the Isle of Wight."
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38326/38326-h/38326-h.html

    Uh-oh, "Isle of White," I mean "Wight"

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Someone with a sense of humour should produce a T-shirt with the outline of the island, with the legend “I Love White”. Even better with a heart instead of Love.

  51. The term “Anglo-Saxon” is used by the French as a euphemism, because they cannot bear to use terms like Anglophone, English-speaking, or “of English descent”.

    In a remarkable feat of denial and misdirection, the French replace these terms with the name of the people that they conquered in 1066.

  52. @Anonymous
    @Charon


    Speaking of marginalized, what’s the kill count up to now with Israel’s latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.
     
    I’m not sure, but I’m liking the potential for a tranny and/or antifa beat-a-thon by Palestinian Pridesters as the gay antifas attempt to participate in antisemetic Palestinian demonstrations here.

    I think I agree with another commenter. Maybe Jews aren’t as intelligent as we have surmised, in that their best laid plans tend to turn to shit…

    https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1394335319177064451?s=20

    Replies: @Anon7, @James Forrestal

    “…antifa beat-a-thon by Palestinian Pridesters as the gay antifas attempt to participate in antisemetic Palestinian demonstrations here.”

    I’m also watching the demos in Dearborn as one of the largest population of Arabs outside the Middle East starts protesting against Israel. About 2,000 people marched yesterday.

    And what does antifa like better than this, the chance to carry out some mischief under the cover of some larger movement?

    However, I’m wondering if the ethnic uniformity of Dearborn is having an effect. You really don’t want to mess with 40,000 people who come from a combative religious and cultural background.

  53. @Anonymous
    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word 'Jutland', which means 'Jute-Land' and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula, depending on circumstances. Not because the said region 'juts' out into the Baltic sea.

    For example the famous 'Battle of Jutland' of the first world war - that classic confrontation of the Dreadnought dinosaurs, so loved by naval history buffs, was so named for being fought in the North sea, off the Danish coast.

    Replies: @Anon, @mmack, @ben tillman

    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word ‘Jutland’, which means ‘Jute-Land’ and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula . . . .

    I’ve never seen or heard another name for Jutland.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    'Denmark'.

    Isn't that what everyone calls that peninsula?

    Replies: @ben tillman

  54. Anonymous[981] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    Apparently, the Jutes are remembered to this day in the word ‘Jutland’, which means ‘Jute-Land’ and is used, for whatever reason, as an alternative for the Denmark peninsula . . . .
     
    I've never seen or heard another name for Jutland.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ‘Denmark’.

    Isn’t that what everyone calls that peninsula?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    Jutland includes mainland Denmark (2/3 of Denmark's total area; København is on one of the islands) plus part of Germany.

    So, it's not all of Denmark, nor is it only Denmark.

  55. @Billy Corr
    Immigrant Celts ought to compensate descendants of pre-Celts ... then Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians recompense the Celts. And then Romans, Normans, Danes and Vikings need to work out who ought to compensate whom.

    By an odd chance, this was in *The Guardian* today -

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/18/a-jewish-case-for-palestinian-refugee-return

    ........... and I hope you ALL find time to read every word!

    Replies: @bomag, @njguy73

    Who’s gonna compensate the descendants of the Mesopotamian hominids who got invaded by the African homo sapiens 70 millenia BCE?

    Oh, that’s right. They were fleeing climate change, er, a volcanic eruption.

    Or maybe they were coming to do the jobs that Mesopotamians wouldn’t do. Or couldn’t do, being that they hadn’t evolved much.

    • Thanks: njguy73
  56. @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    'Denmark'.

    Isn't that what everyone calls that peninsula?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Jutland includes mainland Denmark (2/3 of Denmark’s total area; København is on one of the islands) plus part of Germany.

    So, it’s not all of Denmark, nor is it only Denmark.

  57. @Thomm
    Actually, the peninsular shape of Denmark means there are probably still a few people with near-pure Jute ancestry in Northern Denmark.

    The same cannot be said for Angles, Saxons, Britons, Picts, Normans, etc.

    Sure, Beowulf the Geat came from the north to help the Danes (ruled by Hrothgar), but it is the Geats that probably got absorbed into the Jutes. This means the Geats are even more suitable than the Jutes for the point that Steve is trying to make.

    I always felt that the original people of the island of Great Britain were the Welsh.

    In a related point, there is a fair bit of Cornish heritage kept alive in America even now, despite the US Census not tracking any Cornish ancestry stats. They make good efforts to keep it alive, and more than just the occasional Cornish pasty.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @John Derbyshire, @Dmon, @Bill P

    American “Anglos” are probably quite a bit more Brythonic by ancestry than the average English. That’s because so many settlers came from the west of Britain, Bristol being the main port for ships sailing to the American colonies. Our standard American rhotic accent comes from the SW near Cornwall and Wales.

    Naturally a lot of Welsh and Cornish sailed from Bristol (which is on the Welsh border) to the colonies as well. My surname is from a Welshman who settled Jamestown in 1610. When you meet people with names like Powell, Lewis, Hughes, Davis, Williams, Jones and so on they likely have an ancestor who set sail from Bristol.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    As a Brit, I'm hard pressed to hear a 'west country' or even a 'Welsh' lilt in the 'typical' American accent.
    I do, however, detect a certain similarity with the way the Irish speak English.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Thomm
    @Bill P


    American “Anglos” are probably quite a bit more Brythonic by ancestry than the average English. That’s because so many settlers came from the west of Britain, Bristol being the main port for ships sailing to the American colonies.
     
    That may have been true at the time they landed, but given how much time has passed, and how those are the most hybridized of all Americans, that bias in the genetic profile is certainly long gone.

    When you meet people with names like Powell, Lewis, Hughes, Davis, Williams, Jones and so on they likely have an ancestor who set sail from Bristol.
     
    Yes, that is their patrilineal line, and ten generations back is 1024 ancestors (before accounting for pedigree collapse). 11 generations back is 2048 ancestors.

    Hence, many black people have those last names too, as do Germans, etc. who Anglicized their last names.

    Since the entire English-American genetic profile is greatly hybridized and diluted outside of Utah, rural New England, and pockets of the rural South, the fraction that can still prove ancestry concentrated to a certain quadrant of Britain is very small indeed. Some of my ancestors are from Cornwall, but I have others from ten other places in Europe as per my 23andMe. This is the norm for white Americans at this point.

  58. Anonymous[981] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    @Thomm

    American "Anglos" are probably quite a bit more Brythonic by ancestry than the average English. That's because so many settlers came from the west of Britain, Bristol being the main port for ships sailing to the American colonies. Our standard American rhotic accent comes from the SW near Cornwall and Wales.

    Naturally a lot of Welsh and Cornish sailed from Bristol (which is on the Welsh border) to the colonies as well. My surname is from a Welshman who settled Jamestown in 1610. When you meet people with names like Powell, Lewis, Hughes, Davis, Williams, Jones and so on they likely have an ancestor who set sail from Bristol.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thomm

    As a Brit, I’m hard pressed to hear a ‘west country’ or even a ‘Welsh’ lilt in the ‘typical’ American accent.
    I do, however, detect a certain similarity with the way the Irish speak English.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    As a Western American speaker of standard mid-Atlantic American English, I can hear the similarity with West Country English clear as day. Yankees and Southerners have different, less rhotic dialects.

    As for Welsh, I've only been to North Wales, and I could hardly understand some of them. Same with Irish. Took me a few conversations to figure out what Kerrymen were saying.

    Wiltshire, Somerset, Dorset -- no problem aside from some of the local argot. Some short sentences sounded almost exactly like back home. Up to the end of the 18th century Bristol was essentially the middleman between London and the American colonies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Dutch Boy

  59. The real neglected tribe is the Frisians, who also participated in the Germanic invasion of Britain and whose language continues to be the most similar to English of the other Germanic languages. BTW, according to the geneticist Bryan Sykes, there is actually not all that much AS or other Germanic DNA in the British people (he estimates the “invader” DNA component of Britons is around 20%, mostly concentrated in the East and North, with very little in the West). They are better termed British rather than Anglo-Saxon.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dutch Boy

    You may find this recent thread interesting:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-worlds-shortest-seminar-tolkien-and-diversity/#comment-4483785 (#9, etc.)

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Dutch Boy

    There was once an effort to revive Low German to equal status as High Standard German, along with other North Sea Germanic languages which would include Frisian as well as Dutch and Flemish. But that became denounced as anti-Jutish.


    After the founding of the German Empire in 1871, the Low German or Low German movement emerged as part of a broad search and collection movement whose ideological commonality lay in their ethnic and anti-Semitic convictions. In this way it is seen today as a regional pioneer of National Socialism.

    He sees the ethnic and linguistic community as a unity, and Low German as an organic natural body is the ideal expression of the “people's spirit”. Language and speaker community were naturalized with this figure of thought. Groth's goal was to use the spelling of Low German to transform its dialectal status into something special.

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederdeutsche_Bewegung
  60. Odin says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Saxons made out okay since there are also three German states whose names include them. In Walter Scott’s Ivanhoe they were simply used as shorthand for Anglo-Saxons (as opposed to Normans).

    Problem is what we think of the modern West is essentially spawned from various Germanic tribes who plastered their names all over Europe even in places that don’t speak Germanic languages, France, Lombardy, Burgundy, etc.

    Of interest to me was always the non-extinct East Germanics from modern-day Ukraine and may have partly originated from Sweden’s Gotland.

    Where Germany herself is referred to in other languages as various tribes, Alemanni, Nemets, etc.

    In Chinese, Japanese and Korean its all based on diutisc (Old High German: of the people), same as Deutschland. What’s interesting is that Chinese and Japanese use a different character as short-hand, in Chinese its 德 (lit: virtue, moral), in Japanese its 独 (lit: solitary, alone)

    Replies: @Odin

    Where Germany herself is referred to in other languages as various tribes, Alemanni, Nemets, etc.

    Alemanni is indeed the name of a German tribe (or rather a confederation of them).

    But not so for Nemets. Depending on which source you consult, this is either

    1. From the name of the early, unattested common parent of all Slavic languages. (I know: who would name Germany after a Slavic language we have no evidence for?) …or…

    2. The Russian word немец meaning “voiceless” or “mute”, in reference to the Germans’ astonishing inability to speak Russian.

    The latter explanation was provided by the woman who tried to teach me Russian in university, and is the clear winner on entertainment value.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Odin

    It's in several Slavic languages plus Hungarian (a major Polish novel introduces a German knight as pretending to not have heard the hail of a Polish character so he can have a legal pretext to attack him) probably because of German self-consciousness.

  61. Did you just erase the Heruli? Wow, just wow. I can’t even…

    http://www.gedevasen.dk/heruls.html

  62. “The Jutes.”

    ?

    Jutes [sic]

  63. @Bill P
    @Thomm

    American "Anglos" are probably quite a bit more Brythonic by ancestry than the average English. That's because so many settlers came from the west of Britain, Bristol being the main port for ships sailing to the American colonies. Our standard American rhotic accent comes from the SW near Cornwall and Wales.

    Naturally a lot of Welsh and Cornish sailed from Bristol (which is on the Welsh border) to the colonies as well. My surname is from a Welshman who settled Jamestown in 1610. When you meet people with names like Powell, Lewis, Hughes, Davis, Williams, Jones and so on they likely have an ancestor who set sail from Bristol.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thomm

    American “Anglos” are probably quite a bit more Brythonic by ancestry than the average English. That’s because so many settlers came from the west of Britain, Bristol being the main port for ships sailing to the American colonies.

    That may have been true at the time they landed, but given how much time has passed, and how those are the most hybridized of all Americans, that bias in the genetic profile is certainly long gone.

    When you meet people with names like Powell, Lewis, Hughes, Davis, Williams, Jones and so on they likely have an ancestor who set sail from Bristol.

    Yes, that is their patrilineal line, and ten generations back is 1024 ancestors (before accounting for pedigree collapse). 11 generations back is 2048 ancestors.

    Hence, many black people have those last names too, as do Germans, etc. who Anglicized their last names.

    Since the entire English-American genetic profile is greatly hybridized and diluted outside of Utah, rural New England, and pockets of the rural South, the fraction that can still prove ancestry concentrated to a certain quadrant of Britain is very small indeed. Some of my ancestors are from Cornwall, but I have others from ten other places in Europe as per my 23andMe. This is the norm for white Americans at this point.

  64. @John Derbyshire
    @Thomm

    By Tre- and Pol- and Pen-
    Ye shall know the Cornish men.

    Replies: @reactionry

    “Memoirs From A Mousehole”

    Dearest Pasty-Faced* Derb:

    While I was a Cornish woman, I deeply resembled “By Tre- and Pol- and Pen-
    Ye shall know the Cornish men.”
    My surname ended (as THomm begins) with a dental fricative – something which tends to be lost by NeanderTHalish speakers of GoTHonic tongues – unless living in prolonged proximity to various and sundry Celts and Sunts.
    With respect to Thomm’s aforementioned “Cornish pasty,” * an etymologist might wish to avoid stripping that word down to its nearly bare essentials.

    Your Humble Ectoplasmic Ex-Ecdysiast,
    Dolly “Nipple-Titties” Pentreath,
    Mousehole, Cornwall

    * Pasty-Faced – it’s possible that after forswearing allegiance to the Crown Mr. Derbyshire might now be getting more sun
    ** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasties

  65. @Odin
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Where Germany herself is referred to in other languages as various tribes, Alemanni, Nemets, etc.
     
    Alemanni is indeed the name of a German tribe (or rather a confederation of them).

    But not so for Nemets. Depending on which source you consult, this is either

    1. From the name of the early, unattested common parent of all Slavic languages. (I know: who would name Germany after a Slavic language we have no evidence for?) ...or...

    2. The Russian word немец meaning "voiceless" or "mute", in reference to the Germans' astonishing inability to speak Russian.

    The latter explanation was provided by the woman who tried to teach me Russian in university, and is the clear winner on entertainment value.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It’s in several Slavic languages plus Hungarian (a major Polish novel introduces a German knight as pretending to not have heard the hail of a Polish character so he can have a legal pretext to attack him) probably because of German self-consciousness.

  66. The majority of the British population today are the descendents of the original, pre-Celtic population of Britannia. People don’t move.

  67. @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    As a Brit, I'm hard pressed to hear a 'west country' or even a 'Welsh' lilt in the 'typical' American accent.
    I do, however, detect a certain similarity with the way the Irish speak English.

    Replies: @Bill P

    As a Western American speaker of standard mid-Atlantic American English, I can hear the similarity with West Country English clear as day. Yankees and Southerners have different, less rhotic dialects.

    As for Welsh, I’ve only been to North Wales, and I could hardly understand some of them. Same with Irish. Took me a few conversations to figure out what Kerrymen were saying.

    Wiltshire, Somerset, Dorset — no problem aside from some of the local argot. Some short sentences sounded almost exactly like back home. Up to the end of the 18th century Bristol was essentially the middleman between London and the American colonies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    On a somewhat related note, I can hear the classic 'Cockney' London English accent in the 'standard' Australian accent.

    , @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    If Americans want to know what the classic English 'west country accent' sounds like, then I could do worse than recommend them to listen to that comedy musical group 'The Wurzels', who glory in that particular accent to the point of exaggeration.
    Their song, surely available on YouTube, "I've Got a Brand New Combine Harvester", which is freely ripped off from the Melanie tune, is a as good as any place to start.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Dutch Boy
    @Bill P

    I've found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  68. angles saxons jutes and frisians you illiterate crypto jew.

    i for one will enjoy gassing steve.

  69. @Dutch Boy
    The real neglected tribe is the Frisians, who also participated in the Germanic invasion of Britain and whose language continues to be the most similar to English of the other Germanic languages. BTW, according to the geneticist Bryan Sykes, there is actually not all that much AS or other Germanic DNA in the British people (he estimates the "invader" DNA component of Britons is around 20%, mostly concentrated in the East and North, with very little in the West). They are better termed British rather than Anglo-Saxon.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    • Thanks: Dutch Boy
  70. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    As a Western American speaker of standard mid-Atlantic American English, I can hear the similarity with West Country English clear as day. Yankees and Southerners have different, less rhotic dialects.

    As for Welsh, I've only been to North Wales, and I could hardly understand some of them. Same with Irish. Took me a few conversations to figure out what Kerrymen were saying.

    Wiltshire, Somerset, Dorset -- no problem aside from some of the local argot. Some short sentences sounded almost exactly like back home. Up to the end of the 18th century Bristol was essentially the middleman between London and the American colonies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Dutch Boy

    On a somewhat related note, I can hear the classic ‘Cockney’ London English accent in the ‘standard’ Australian accent.

  71. @jsinton
    Do I detect a note of anti-juteism? RACIST!

    Replies: @mc23, @silviosilver, @Swamp Fox

    Rubbish. Some of my best friends are Jutes!

  72. @International Jute
    Hear hear.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I see you took your username from Henryk Fjord’s classic book on the subject.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @silviosilver

    Touché.

  73. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    As a Western American speaker of standard mid-Atlantic American English, I can hear the similarity with West Country English clear as day. Yankees and Southerners have different, less rhotic dialects.

    As for Welsh, I've only been to North Wales, and I could hardly understand some of them. Same with Irish. Took me a few conversations to figure out what Kerrymen were saying.

    Wiltshire, Somerset, Dorset -- no problem aside from some of the local argot. Some short sentences sounded almost exactly like back home. Up to the end of the 18th century Bristol was essentially the middleman between London and the American colonies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Dutch Boy

    If Americans want to know what the classic English ‘west country accent’ sounds like, then I could do worse than recommend them to listen to that comedy musical group ‘The Wurzels’, who glory in that particular accent to the point of exaggeration.
    Their song, surely available on YouTube, “I’ve Got a Brand New Combine Harvester”, which is freely ripped off from the Melanie tune, is a as good as any place to start.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    Listening to the song "I am a cider drinker" most Americans would have no idea these guys are Brits. Theyd assume they're from some farm town in Ohio or something.

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came and started mass producing lager.

    Replies: @anon, @James Forrestal

  74. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    The Bristol/West Country accent is better known as the famous “pirate” accent from countless movies.

  75. @Dutch Boy
    The real neglected tribe is the Frisians, who also participated in the Germanic invasion of Britain and whose language continues to be the most similar to English of the other Germanic languages. BTW, according to the geneticist Bryan Sykes, there is actually not all that much AS or other Germanic DNA in the British people (he estimates the "invader" DNA component of Britons is around 20%, mostly concentrated in the East and North, with very little in the West). They are better termed British rather than Anglo-Saxon.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There was once an effort to revive Low German to equal status as High Standard German, along with other North Sea Germanic languages which would include Frisian as well as Dutch and Flemish. But that became denounced as anti-Jutish.

    After the founding of the German Empire in 1871, the Low German or Low German movement emerged as part of a broad search and collection movement whose ideological commonality lay in their ethnic and anti-Semitic convictions. In this way it is seen today as a regional pioneer of National Socialism.

    He sees the ethnic and linguistic community as a unity, and Low German as an organic natural body is the ideal expression of the “people’s spirit”. Language and speaker community were naturalized with this figure of thought. Groth’s goal was to use the spelling of Low German to transform its dialectal status into something special.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederdeutsche_Bewegung

  76. @jsinton
    Do I detect a note of anti-juteism? RACIST!

    Replies: @mc23, @silviosilver, @Swamp Fox

    Sold a car to one of these guys. He really tried to Jute me down.
    And Jacob Blake really wouldn’t know if you were pulling his leg.

  77. @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    If Americans want to know what the classic English 'west country accent' sounds like, then I could do worse than recommend them to listen to that comedy musical group 'The Wurzels', who glory in that particular accent to the point of exaggeration.
    Their song, surely available on YouTube, "I've Got a Brand New Combine Harvester", which is freely ripped off from the Melanie tune, is a as good as any place to start.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Listening to the song “I am a cider drinker” most Americans would have no idea these guys are Brits. Theyd assume they’re from some farm town in Ohio or something.

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came and started mass producing lager.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill P

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came

    Johnny Appleseed was a cider-orchard planter.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Bill P


    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came and started mass producing lager.
     
    Sure. People weren't eating the apples from those trees that Johnny Appleseed planted -- they were drinking them.
  78. @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    Listening to the song "I am a cider drinker" most Americans would have no idea these guys are Brits. Theyd assume they're from some farm town in Ohio or something.

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came and started mass producing lager.

    Replies: @anon, @James Forrestal

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came

    Johnny Appleseed was a cider-orchard planter.

  79. @Anonymous
    @Charon


    Speaking of marginalized, what’s the kill count up to now with Israel’s latest slaughterfest? I know half the people here are celebrating it, quietly or otherwise.
     
    I’m not sure, but I’m liking the potential for a tranny and/or antifa beat-a-thon by Palestinian Pridesters as the gay antifas attempt to participate in antisemetic Palestinian demonstrations here.

    I think I agree with another commenter. Maybe Jews aren’t as intelligent as we have surmised, in that their best laid plans tend to turn to shit…

    https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1394335319177064451?s=20

    Replies: @Anon7, @James Forrestal

    While it’s true that many low level antifags tend to sympathize with the indigenous Palestinians in their struggle with the Zionist settler-colonialists, they’re just useful idiots. They fall in line when they get their orders:

    At the top level — where it matters — antifa has always been an openly semitic supremacist organization.

    Just ask the Jewish Daily Forward:

  80. @Rahan
    [[[Jutes]]] are secretly pulling the strings.

    Replies: @Cortes, @jimmyriddle, @James Forrestal

    Exactly. And those Jutish string-pullers like Sailer are blatantly Celt exclusionary — if not frank advocates of anti-Celticism. We must interrogate the assumptions of their hermeneutics from a more inclusive standpoint if we ever hope to achieve a truly equitable praxis in this narrative discourse.

    • LOL: Rahan
  81. @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    Listening to the song "I am a cider drinker" most Americans would have no idea these guys are Brits. Theyd assume they're from some farm town in Ohio or something.

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came and started mass producing lager.

    Replies: @anon, @James Forrestal

    BTW, cider was the most popular drink in America until the Germans came and started mass producing lager.

    Sure. People weren’t eating the apples from those trees that Johnny Appleseed planted — they were drinking them.

  82. @Bill P
    @Anonymous

    As a Western American speaker of standard mid-Atlantic American English, I can hear the similarity with West Country English clear as day. Yankees and Southerners have different, less rhotic dialects.

    As for Welsh, I've only been to North Wales, and I could hardly understand some of them. Same with Irish. Took me a few conversations to figure out what Kerrymen were saying.

    Wiltshire, Somerset, Dorset -- no problem aside from some of the local argot. Some short sentences sounded almost exactly like back home. Up to the end of the 18th century Bristol was essentially the middleman between London and the American colonies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Dutch Boy

    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Dutch Boy


    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

     

    Just keep going north till you hit Newcastle, and you'll meet your comprehension Nemesis.

    Replies: @Guest29048

  83. @Dutch Boy
    @Bill P

    I've found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

    Just keep going north till you hit Newcastle, and you’ll meet your comprehension Nemesis.

    • Replies: @Guest29048
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Scouse accent of Livuh-pyule is as impenetrable as it gets in England.
    Skip ahead to 5:04
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHfIAoF8gEc

    Some say that Jamaican patois (e.g., in St. Elizabeth parish) is the toughest native accent in the Anglosphere.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  84. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Dutch Boy


    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

     

    Just keep going north till you hit Newcastle, and you'll meet your comprehension Nemesis.

    Replies: @Guest29048

    The Scouse accent of Livuh-pyule is as impenetrable as it gets in England.
    Skip ahead to 5:04

    Some say that Jamaican patois (e.g., in St. Elizabeth parish) is the toughest native accent in the Anglosphere.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Guest29048

    Thanks; I admit that's some good thick stuff.

    It seems the Scousers talk fairly quickly, which doesn't help the untutored listener.

    Replies: @Dissident

  85. @Guest29048
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Scouse accent of Livuh-pyule is as impenetrable as it gets in England.
    Skip ahead to 5:04
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHfIAoF8gEc

    Some say that Jamaican patois (e.g., in St. Elizabeth parish) is the toughest native accent in the Anglosphere.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks; I admit that’s some good thick stuff.

    It seems the Scousers talk fairly quickly, which doesn’t help the untutored listener.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @The Last Real Calvinist



    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.
     
    I admit that’s some good thick stuff.
     
    Even thicker with Marmite

    A Preston youngster has been kept off school because dinner ladies refuse to serve him Yorkshire puddings with Marmite at lunchtime. Aryn Buchanan has been described as a “very, very fussy eater” by his parents, who are at their “wits end” in trying to deal with the problem, which has now led to him missing classes.
     
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YchxRKZoP04/UGw6EbzmIcI/AAAAAAAAv9w/MOegJo-6txE/s1600/Yorkshire%2Bpuddings%2Bwith%2BMarmite.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  86. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Guest29048

    Thanks; I admit that's some good thick stuff.

    It seems the Scousers talk fairly quickly, which doesn't help the untutored listener.

    Replies: @Dissident

    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.

    I admit that’s some good thick stuff.

    Even thicker with Marmite

    [MORE]

    A Preston youngster has been kept off school because dinner ladies refuse to serve him Yorkshire puddings with Marmite at lunchtime. Aryn Buchanan has been described as a “very, very fussy eater” by his parents, who are at their “wits end” in trying to deal with the problem, which has now led to him missing classes.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    [MORE]
     
    GTFO with that shite

    Replies: @Dissident

  87. @Dissident
    @The Last Real Calvinist



    I’ve found the Yorkshire dialect nearly impenetrable.
     
    I admit that’s some good thick stuff.
     
    Even thicker with Marmite

    A Preston youngster has been kept off school because dinner ladies refuse to serve him Yorkshire puddings with Marmite at lunchtime. Aryn Buchanan has been described as a “very, very fussy eater” by his parents, who are at their “wits end” in trying to deal with the problem, which has now led to him missing classes.
     
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YchxRKZoP04/UGw6EbzmIcI/AAAAAAAAv9w/MOegJo-6txE/s1600/Yorkshire%2Bpuddings%2Bwith%2BMarmite.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks for linking-to your scurrilous, reflexive, unfounded and unsubstantiated attack upon me from 2.6 months ago. The reader sufficiently interested to follow the link to it will find there as well my rejoinder, which contains a list of links to select archived comments of mine that are particularly germane to the topic at hand. To that list, let me now add a subsequent posting of mine that may, to-date, be my most complete, comprehensive and refined exposition of what I have now coined the BQ:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/new-accusations-against-po-mo-philosopher-michel-foucault/#comment-4566661

    If you had limited yourself to mere name-calling or other subjective insults, complaints or characterizations, your comment would likely not have merited the dignity of a response. You crossed a line, however, with your characterization of comments of mine as "NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts". That, given if nothing else the respective definitions of nonce and catamite, at least strongly implies an accusation of particular behaviors that are heinous crimes both morally as well as legally.

    Hence, my characterizing the comment of yours in question as being not merely tendentious but libelous as well. And my feeling the need to rebut your calumny, lest it mislead anyone lacking sufficient familiarity with my commenting record. In citing said record as I have, I demonstrate my confidence that it vindicates me, and that your characterizations of my posts reveal more about yourself than anything else.

  88. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    [MORE]
     
    GTFO with that shite

    Replies: @Dissident

    Thanks for linking-to your scurrilous, reflexive, unfounded and unsubstantiated attack upon me from 2.6 months ago. The reader sufficiently interested to follow the link to it will find there as well my rejoinder, which contains a list of links to select archived comments of mine that are particularly germane to the topic at hand. To that list, let me now add a subsequent posting of mine that may, to-date, be my most complete, comprehensive and refined exposition of what I have now coined the BQ:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/new-accusations-against-po-mo-philosopher-michel-foucault/#comment-4566661

    If you had limited yourself to mere name-calling or other subjective insults, complaints or characterizations,

    [MORE]
    your comment would likely not have merited the dignity of a response. You crossed a line, however, with your characterization of comments of mine as “NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts”. That, given if nothing else the respective definitions of nonce and catamite, at least strongly implies an accusation of particular behaviors that are heinous crimes both morally as well as legally.

    Hence, my characterizing the comment of yours in question as being not merely tendentious but libelous as well. And my feeling the need to rebut your calumny, lest it mislead anyone lacking sufficient familiarity with my commenting record. In citing said record as I have, I demonstrate my confidence that it vindicates me, and that your characterizations of my posts reveal more about yourself than anything else.

  89. @silviosilver
    @International Jute

    I see you took your username from Henryk Fjord's classic book on the subject.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Touché.

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