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From Foreign Policy:

It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses

The Brexit has laid bare the political schism of our time. It’s not about the left vs. the right; it’s about the sane vs. the mindlessly angry.

BY JAMES TRAUB JUNE 28, 2016

 
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  1. What are the odds of some Western country doing the equivalent of a Jacquerie in the next few decades?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @IHTG

    Law enforcement is way too effective these days, and their weapons are too powerful; an atom bomb can destroy a rioting city in seconds. We couldn't rise up and drive Obama out of the white house the way the French did to their king, they'd just fire live shot into the crowds. Once you're willing to kill your own people, a la China, you can win. (Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men...) Everyone remembers Tank Man because he slowed them down for a few minutes.

    Replies: @IHTG, @bomag, @BB753, @Bill

    , @another fred
    @IHTG


    What are the odds of some Western country doing the equivalent of a Jacquerie in the next few decades?
     
    100%, but it will be put down ruthlessly. As long as population continues to grow individual freedom will diminish while license increases.
  2. They wanted evil White men. They shall have them.

    Do not lament that we have come.

    We are the culmination of the entire progressive philosophy.

    We are the synthesis.

    • Agree: Dennis Dale
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @BenKenobi

    Well and succinctly said, sir! That article absolutely drips with contempt for the white lumpen proletariat. I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jim, @Bill, @SteveO

    , @Mr. Anon
    @BenKenobi

    That was great.

    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @BenKenobi

    Well stated. Count me in.

  3. Thought this was going to be satire (this is Foreign Policy not National Review after all). I misunderestimated.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "Thought this was going to be satire (this is Foreign Policy not National Review after all). I misunderestimated."

    With all due respect, they count on that. They count on what they see as our lesser intelligence. Even worse, they count on our greater benevolence.

    It's no longer the case that "nice guys finish last". It's now the case that "nice guys are finished".

    We need to start making the connection between "irreconcilable differences" and "by any means necessary". They have and they're already acting on it.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Anonymous
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Never underestimate humans by expecting a limit to their will-to-power to be there.

    Actually, it's like all their addictions, just the most potent of all. The more they get, the more they need. The madder they turn.

    This is why sociopolitical classes like that actually ruling the West today are rarely healed back to sanity through peaceful historical processes.

  4. “The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them about the dangers of immigration and the costs of membership in the EU. Some of those leaders have already begun to admit that they were lying.”

    Because the globalists have never, ever lied. Not when Ted Kennedy promised that the 1965 immigration law wouldn’t massively alter the ethnic balance of the country, and not when he promised that the 1986 amnesty would only be for a million people and would secure the borders. He was totally telling the truth.

    There’s a reason politicians don’t apply truth in advertising laws to themselves.

    I’m perfectly happy giving the open borders globullists a do-over on the Brexit vote if we can roll back every single law the Left misrepresented in order to pass.

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @Wilkey

    It's profoundly evil of Traub to condescend and sneer at decent people who only want to protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists. At least 1400 underage girls in one town, Rotherham, over a 16 year period; Over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND underage girls trafficked, and raped, and abused in the UK as a whole since the 80s. Each girl passed around to hundreds of "men." We're talking millions of acts of horror perpetrated against innocent British girls, some as young as 12 years of age.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Easy-Meat-Britains-Grooming-Scandal/dp/1943003068

    "Lying... about dangers of immigration..."? How much more dangerous-- and horrifying- can it get? If Traub has a soul, which I doubt, it needs to be damned to hell.

    Replies: @Numinous

  5. Among the many blindingly unselfaware assertions Traub makes, this one stood out for me:

    “I was recently in Poland, where a far-right party appealing to nationalism and tradition has gained power despite years of undeniable prosperity under a centrist regime.”

    Undeniable prosperity. Yes, for the college educated Warsaw types that Traub probably knows well, it seems self-evident that Poland is booming. There are Starbucks coffee shops everywhere, there are yoga classes, sushi restaurants, 10K runs on the week-ends, bike paths, gay pride parades, cable TV with the latest American TV series, and you can even buy a cheap chalupa in Cracow. Our elites can’t even fathom the idea that millions of people aren’t as thrilled with this type of “prosperity” as they are.

    Our elites, like most economists, seem blind to the role that status plays in human life. As a result of “prosperity” millions of ordinary Poles find themselves treated as second-class citizens in their own country. If you can’t speak English, you’re provincial. If you follow the teachings of the Catholic church, you’re superstitious at best, or a small-minded homophobe at worst. If you can’t afford a ski vacation in Austria or two weeks on the beach in Thailand, then you are a loser. Do these Poles think their lives are better? Of course not.

    To rail against such people as “ignorant” betrays an incredible lack of empathy and curiosity, which are ironically characteristics I am sure Traub thinks he possesses in spades.

    • Replies: @Cattle Guard
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I'd say Poland's doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc. A lot of people's lives are better than 10 years ago, but they've just gotten really tired of being lectured about how we must suck up to the West and get more Muslim immigrants and abortions so we can be really civilized. Our pro-Western elites are quite cargo-culty. I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say "Can't we just take the EU subsidies and tourists' money and forget all the other crap? Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into."

    Replies: @Parbes, @Dennis Dale, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @AP
    @Peter Akuleyev

    All true. However, and not contradicting your post, even though there is much less equality than there had been, the lives of provincial Poles are still materially much better than they had once been.

    I know a few wealthy Poles, who voted for Kukiz (their parents voted for Law and Justice, but they liked Law and Justice too). The perception that the outgoing leaders had sold Poland to the Germans isn't one limited to poor and provincial Poles.

    , @Anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev


    To rail against such people as “ignorant” betrays an incredible lack of empathy and curiosity, which are ironically characteristics I am sure Traub thinks he possesses in spades.
     
    To liberal elitists, anyone is ignorant who does not hold the same views that they do. All their talk of diversity ends there, with them.
  6. “Mainstream parties of the left and right may increasingly combine forces to keep out the nationalists. This has already happened in Sweden, where a right-of-center party serves as the minority partner to the left-of-center government. If the Socialists in France do in fact lose the first round, they will almost certainly support the conservative Republicans against the far-right National Front.”

    Maybe team up with the moslems like in Houellebecq’s “Submission”?

    I know I shouldn’t let it get to me, but it still rankles that these people actually think they have some kind of superiority over us when it comes to intelligence and knowledge. The truth is that they aren’t educated at all; they can’t properly be said to know anything, as everything they think they know is wrong. Their whole universe of racial egalitarianism and desirable-for-all globalism is a fiction. All they can do is shower us with lies and hate from the big megaphone. They’ve lost all legitimacy.

    Brexit has taken the mask off like nothing has so far. These people are evil, insane, and bent on our destruction.

    • Agree: NickG, Bill
    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Amasius

    "Brexit has taken the mask off like nothing has so far. These people are evil, insane, and bent on our destruction."

    I recall Christopher Lasch wrote that an elitist wears a mask of smiling benevolence which hides a venomous hatred.

  7. @Wilkey
    "The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them about the dangers of immigration and the costs of membership in the EU. Some of those leaders have already begun to admit that they were lying."

    Because the globalists have never, ever lied. Not when Ted Kennedy promised that the 1965 immigration law wouldn't massively alter the ethnic balance of the country, and not when he promised that the 1986 amnesty would only be for a million people and would secure the borders. He was totally telling the truth.

    There's a reason politicians don't apply truth in advertising laws to themselves.

    I'm perfectly happy giving the open borders globullists a do-over on the Brexit vote if we can roll back every single law the Left misrepresented in order to pass.

    Replies: @Amasius

    It’s profoundly evil of Traub to condescend and sneer at decent people who only want to protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists. At least 1400 underage girls in one town, Rotherham, over a 16 year period; Over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND underage girls trafficked, and raped, and abused in the UK as a whole since the 80s. Each girl passed around to hundreds of “men.” We’re talking millions of acts of horror perpetrated against innocent British girls, some as young as 12 years of age.

    “Lying… about dangers of immigration…”? How much more dangerous– and horrifying- can it get? If Traub has a soul, which I doubt, it needs to be damned to hell.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    @Amasius

    How does Brexit "protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists"?

    Replies: @bomag, @Wilkey, @Amasius, @Anonymous

  8. @Peter Akuleyev
    Among the many blindingly unselfaware assertions Traub makes, this one stood out for me:

    "I was recently in Poland, where a far-right party appealing to nationalism and tradition has gained power despite years of undeniable prosperity under a centrist regime."
     
    Undeniable prosperity. Yes, for the college educated Warsaw types that Traub probably knows well, it seems self-evident that Poland is booming. There are Starbucks coffee shops everywhere, there are yoga classes, sushi restaurants, 10K runs on the week-ends, bike paths, gay pride parades, cable TV with the latest American TV series, and you can even buy a cheap chalupa in Cracow. Our elites can't even fathom the idea that millions of people aren't as thrilled with this type of "prosperity" as they are.

    Our elites, like most economists, seem blind to the role that status plays in human life. As a result of "prosperity" millions of ordinary Poles find themselves treated as second-class citizens in their own country. If you can't speak English, you're provincial. If you follow the teachings of the Catholic church, you're superstitious at best, or a small-minded homophobe at worst. If you can't afford a ski vacation in Austria or two weeks on the beach in Thailand, then you are a loser. Do these Poles think their lives are better? Of course not.

    To rail against such people as "ignorant" betrays an incredible lack of empathy and curiosity, which are ironically characteristics I am sure Traub thinks he possesses in spades.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @AP, @Anonymous

    I’d say Poland’s doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc. A lot of people’s lives are better than 10 years ago, but they’ve just gotten really tired of being lectured about how we must suck up to the West and get more Muslim immigrants and abortions so we can be really civilized. Our pro-Western elites are quite cargo-culty. I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say “Can’t we just take the EU subsidies and tourists’ money and forget all the other crap? Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into.”

    • Replies: @Parbes
    @Cattle Guard

    "I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say “Can’t we just take the EU subsidies and tourists’ money and forget all the other crap?...." "

    A nation with an economy dependent to any significant degree on foreign subsidies (i.e., the expectation of a free lunch) and tourist money, is basically a sort of banana republic. The human equivalent is a drug addict dependent on narcotic-induced highs. There IS no free lunch - those foreigners who give you that money don't do it for nothing; they demand (or eventually will demand) something in return. That something is the loss of national independence and sovereignty, to be followed by the gradual abolition of your nationhood, ethnicity, and people.

    And honestly, for you Poles to be persisting in this senseless anti-Russian tribal vendetta/hatefest at this point in history, when the clear and present danger to BOTH nations comes from another direction and source entirely, is beyond foolish - it's HISTORIC-CRIMINAL.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @Jack D, @Bies Podkrakowski

    , @Dennis Dale
    @Cattle Guard


    I haven't seen the musical #Hamilton, but from here it appears to be the idiot-elite class going full cargo cult.— Dennis Dale (@eladsinned) June 26, 2016
     
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Cattle Guard


    Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into.”
     
    Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western. Germans don't trust Russia, but they are fascinated with Russian culture and tend to like Russians on a gut level. The French, Italians and Austrians are fairly positive about Russia, they just dislike rich new Russians flaunting their wealth. I don't know whether the Spanish give Russia much thought at all. Brexit is a disaster for Poland in the sense that Poland will no longer have a strong ally inside the EU who shares the Polish dislike of Russia and willingness to support an anti-Russian Ukraine.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @JohnnyWalker123

  9. @BenKenobi
    They wanted evil White men. They shall have them.

    Do not lament that we have come.

    We are the culmination of the entire progressive philosophy.

    We are the synthesis.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Mr. Anon, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Well and succinctly said, sir! That article absolutely drips with contempt for the white lumpen proletariat. I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Diversity Heretic

    The Bourbons didn't keep two sets of dishes!

    , @Jim
    @Diversity Heretic

    There's no question that the ancien regime and the Czarist nobility had much more empathy for the common people of their countries than our elites today.

    , @Bill
    @Diversity Heretic

    I know it's beside your point, but the peasants were not exactly big winners in 1789 or 1918. They also weren't important to or even noticeably involved in the events to which you allude.

    , @SteveO
    @Diversity Heretic


    I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.
     
    If they did, it was because of noblesse oblige. That was the great virtue of the old, aristocratic elites, including the pre-war American upper class. If you believe you got where you are by the grace of God or the good fortune of birth, then you are more inclined to feel sympathy for and obligation toward those less fortunate.

    On the other hand, in our faux-meritocracy, the elites are likely to believe they got where they are because of their own merit and hard work. This promotes a negative view of lesser achievers since it is no longer a matter of ill fortune that keeps them down but rather laziness and bad habits. (Or racism, of course. The contemptuous view of the middle and working class is applied only to whites.)

    There were many flaws in the old British and American class systems, nor were all aristos charitable by any means. Nevertheless, the withering contempt of the modern elite is far more pernicious than the simple snobbery of the old elite because it allows the person of higher class to feel no connection with, or responsibility or sympathy for, anyone below him on the socioeconomic ladder.
  10. Dylan describing the NY arts elites of his day

    Ah you never turned around to see the frowns
    On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did tricks for you
    You never understood that it ain’t no good
    You shouldn’t let other people get your kicks for you

    It’s profoundly evil of Traub to condescend and sneer at decent people who only want to protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists.
    Sneering and condescension is Obama’s specialty and it is worse now in his last year. He has been pulling himself away from watching Sports Center and b-ball on TV, to make some choice commentary.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Clyde


    He has been pulling himself away from watching Sports Center and b-ball on TV, to make some choice commentary.
     
    Yes, now that the NBA Finals have ended and the season finale of Game of Thrones has aired, we can anticipate some choice commentary with several more executive actions. Obama isn't much of a baseball fan, but hopefully he is into the Olympics and that will distract him. He can complain to Michelle how much better the games would have been if the Chicago bid had been successful.
  11. The troglodyte nativist Brexiters, having the temerity to want their nation to be able to make and repeal its laws, vote for and sack their government, for it to make its own treaties. And – wow, just wow – wanting the government of the day to have the ability to control its own borders.

    How primitive can you get!

  12. “should Brexit go terribly wrong — losing control of the angry, nationalist rank and file “
    “The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them ..”
    “It is necessary to say that people are deluded and that the task of leadership is to un-delude them.”
    Yuk.
    There was nothing “nationalist” about my Out vote. Merely correcting a mistake I made forty-odd years ago. Because they definitely lied back then. The EEC was not the (protectionist, surplus-dumping, expansionist, centralised and arguably racist) EU it turned into.

    James Traub? Who he? Why so fixated on (largely mythical) half-witted angry nationalist proles? Rather than economics, which he sort of half-gets (and dances around) as being the actual cause for most Brexitees.
    Let’s see … [typity type]
    Every. Damn. Time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Expletive Deleted

    Yes, James Traub is Jewish (son of the late former chairman of Bloomingdales department store Marvin Traub). However, a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit (see graph 6 of 7):

    EU Referendum result: 7 graphs that explain how Brexit won

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Glaivester

    , @anon
    @Expletive Deleted

    (((Traub))). That's who he is, and that's his motivation. If he thinks the minuscule steps taken by the British to preserve their nation, culture, and people are upsetting let's hope he never finds out about Israel's more vigorous efforts along those lines, lest he have a heart attack. Not.

    Replies: @Clyde

  13. @Amasius
    @Wilkey

    It's profoundly evil of Traub to condescend and sneer at decent people who only want to protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists. At least 1400 underage girls in one town, Rotherham, over a 16 year period; Over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND underage girls trafficked, and raped, and abused in the UK as a whole since the 80s. Each girl passed around to hundreds of "men." We're talking millions of acts of horror perpetrated against innocent British girls, some as young as 12 years of age.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Easy-Meat-Britains-Grooming-Scandal/dp/1943003068

    "Lying... about dangers of immigration..."? How much more dangerous-- and horrifying- can it get? If Traub has a soul, which I doubt, it needs to be damned to hell.

    Replies: @Numinous

    How does Brexit “protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists”?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Numinous



    How does Brexit “protect their daughters...?"
     
    It is the first in a series of steps.
    , @Wilkey
    @Numinous

    True that much of Britain's problem with brown immigration is the result of its own laws, and has nothing to do with the EU. British voters were never given a chance to vote directly on those, were they?

    One of the big Brexit brouhahas centered on a Leave poster showing a mob of brown immigrants headed for Britain. It was decried as "Nazi" and "racist" despite the fact that all it was telling voters is exactly what's been happening for the last year thanks to Mama Merkel and the EU.

    , @Amasius
    @Numinous

    They're doing the best they can to fight back. Maybe they can stop the bleeding-- at least prevent Merkel's taharrush hordes from getting in and adding to the horror. They can't do much, with their "hate speech" laws that get them thrown in jail if they speak up. Yes, eventually all the moslems have to go if they want to preserve their civilization. Brexit is a start, even if it's mostly symbolic.

    , @Anonymous
    @Numinous

    By taking control of their borders. That is, away from the EU, and into their own protective hands. I suppose it wasn't your daughters who were raped.

  14. I’d say Poland’s doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc.

    I’m not surprised. There are at least 950,000 fresh opportunities for tradesmen and SME operators in Poland now, replacing the ones who moved to UK (and send healthy remittances including welfare payments back). Tough on the ‘lazy’ Brit brickies, sparkies, drivers and shopkeepers, eh?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Expletive Deleted


    "Tough on the ‘lazy’ Brit brickies, sparkies, drivers and shopkeepers, eh?"
     
    That's obnoxious. It's tough on the Brit brickies, drivers and shopkeepers who have been suckered into a certain lifestyle, mortgages, etc. by a predatory lending class who now want to replace them with cheaper labour because they can't work at the near slave wages the cronies are willing to pay.
  15. “I was recently in Poland, where a far-right party appealing to nationalism and tradition has gained power despite years of undeniable prosperity under a centrist regime. Supporters use the same words again and again to explain their vote: “values and tradition.” They voted for Polishness against the modernity of Western Europe.”

    This is very typical for a high-class guy. I live in large city, but i came from small city and my wife is from a village. Because of that, I have quite a diverse network of friends, colleagues and acquaintances. Generally, people who live in lage cities are completely unaware how stagnated the economy is in smaller places, and how fed up were people with hearing “everything is just fine, corruption is low, economy is booming” while thei wages were stagnated, their children had to leave to UK to find a job, and to get a job for a FUCKING MINOR POSITION IN RAILWAY you have to have a political protection – as wife of my friend . Which reminds me: when we were younger, he was always laughing at those “nutcases” who were speaking about corruption; now, when he has a family of his own, when he tried politics, he is readily admitting that the system is rotten.

    Anyway, a reaction of a lot of “educated, young and progressive” people to welfare plans by government was quite typical for this class. They were enraged that mothers would get money for bearing children and choose to stay at home, instead of going to work for the lowest wage. The amount of hatred was just unbearable. “People are getting bribed by just 500 PLN, how cheap they are!” while forgetting, that for some families 500PLN would mean 50% increase in their income…

    Also, we are quite fed up with years and years hearing that people who value tradition, patriotism, sovereignty are all disgusting uneducated racist rednecks who just have to die out, and then we will embrace bright future of tolerancy for all except rightwingers.

    Besides, Law and Justice being _far-right_ party? This guy is just nuts and it just shows how far progressive insanity went. Law and Justice are moderates. Even Kukiz are moderates. Far-right parties have not yet win the elections.

    • Agree: AP, Peter Akuleyev, gruff, Clyde
  16. @IHTG
    What are the odds of some Western country doing the equivalent of a Jacquerie in the next few decades?

    Replies: @SFG, @another fred

    Law enforcement is way too effective these days, and their weapons are too powerful; an atom bomb can destroy a rioting city in seconds. We couldn’t rise up and drive Obama out of the white house the way the French did to their king, they’d just fire live shot into the crowds. Once you’re willing to kill your own people, a la China, you can win. (Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men…) Everyone remembers Tank Man because he slowed them down for a few minutes.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @SFG

    That's what I'm talking about!

    , @bomag
    @SFG

    Iraq, ISIS, and Mexican Drug Lords have shown us that modern tech can negate much of the State's martial advantage.

    Most people are still bought off by the State ("don't touch my social security!"). But if a tipping point is reached, we will find that A-bombs are overrated.

    , @BB753
    @SFG

    You need more than guns to stage a successful coup nowadays, unless you're backed by the US state department, Maidan - style..
    In the XXI century you need an aviation, drones, missiles, tanks, heavy artillery and perhaps nukes to win.

    , @Bill
    @SFG


    Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men…
     
    That's the key. Cops, soldiers, and their sycophants sometimes talk a silly line about how they don't like their bosses and how they'd be on the good guys' side in an armed conflict. But nobody would ask them to shoot good guys. They would be asked to shoot nazi skinhead racist sexist homophobic terrorists.
  17. @SFG
    @IHTG

    Law enforcement is way too effective these days, and their weapons are too powerful; an atom bomb can destroy a rioting city in seconds. We couldn't rise up and drive Obama out of the white house the way the French did to their king, they'd just fire live shot into the crowds. Once you're willing to kill your own people, a la China, you can win. (Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men...) Everyone remembers Tank Man because he slowed them down for a few minutes.

    Replies: @IHTG, @bomag, @BB753, @Bill

    That’s what I’m talking about!

  18. Yes, a remarkably abtuse essay by a supposedly well-informed thinker.

    One odd thing I’ve remarked on recently is that it looks like almost 100% of all the “mainstream” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Hillary Clinton over Trump. But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton. The same seems true for Brexit.

    Perhaps Traub and his friends should spend a little more time reading the alternative media, perhaps even this small webzine, to gain a better understanding of what’s happening, which sorely seemed to be lacking in his analysis. Someone upthread noted how much it sounded like the Bourbons in 1789…

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Ron Unz

    There is a ruling class consensus--cheap labor, open borders, massive surveillance, affirmative action, endless deficit spending, constant invasions and bombings of third world countries, deferential treatment of big banks, etc. And the thing is, that consensus is working out really well for the people at the top. Sure, some losers on the bottom (or even in the middle) are getting screwed over, but the folks at the top don't know any of those people and never will. From their perspective, the ruling class consensus has overwhelmingly good consequences, and so campaigning against it seems nuts.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ron Unz

    Here's an interesting article about how Hollywood is overwhelmingly supporting Hillary Clinton. She has raised 12 times the amount of Hollywood money as Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/step-aside-bernie-sanders-hollywood-rainmakers-are-ready-for-hillary-clinton.html

    That's interesting because you'd expect supposedly "liberal" Hollywood to be more supportive of the more leftist candidate. I'd also expect that with Sanders being Jewish, there'd be some amount of ethnic pride around having the first Jewish-American president.

    So why is Hollywood supporting Hllary over Bernie?

    I think the answer is because Clinton is favored by all the powerful factions within our country's establishment. She has the support of the globalist oligarchs, the "Deep State", and the neocons. Since Hollywood is linked in with the establishment, they favor Hillary.

    Steve Sailer has often said that the media/pundit class are essentially apart of what he called the "Shallow State." Perhaps some of the more elite-level Hollywood celebs/execs could be thought of as being apart of this group. When they were instructed by the oligarch/Deep State/neocon string pullers to support Hillary, they complied. When the elites of Hollywood got behind Hillary, the lower level Hollywood celebs/execs figured they better conform to the views of the Hollywood top dogs(or their career prospects might suffer).

    In America today, the most important division is not between liberals and conservatives. It's the division between the globalists and the populist-nationalists. Both Bernie and the Donald are the wrong side of this, so they get the cold shoulder from the establishment.

    Anyway, those were some of my thoughts. I definitely think it's interesting how Hollywood lined up behind Hillary instead of Bernie.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Bill
    @Ron Unz


    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won? Usually, the far right has unexpected respect for the far left, but the far left does not much return the favor. If this is changing, where can I go to see it? Other than unz.com, I mean.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Nico

  19. @Cattle Guard
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I'd say Poland's doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc. A lot of people's lives are better than 10 years ago, but they've just gotten really tired of being lectured about how we must suck up to the West and get more Muslim immigrants and abortions so we can be really civilized. Our pro-Western elites are quite cargo-culty. I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say "Can't we just take the EU subsidies and tourists' money and forget all the other crap? Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into."

    Replies: @Parbes, @Dennis Dale, @Peter Akuleyev

    “I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say “Can’t we just take the EU subsidies and tourists’ money and forget all the other crap?….” ”

    A nation with an economy dependent to any significant degree on foreign subsidies (i.e., the expectation of a free lunch) and tourist money, is basically a sort of banana republic. The human equivalent is a drug addict dependent on narcotic-induced highs. There IS no free lunch – those foreigners who give you that money don’t do it for nothing; they demand (or eventually will demand) something in return. That something is the loss of national independence and sovereignty, to be followed by the gradual abolition of your nationhood, ethnicity, and people.

    And honestly, for you Poles to be persisting in this senseless anti-Russian tribal vendetta/hatefest at this point in history, when the clear and present danger to BOTH nations comes from another direction and source entirely, is beyond foolish – it’s HISTORIC-CRIMINAL.

    • Replies: @Cattle Guard
    @Parbes

    I'm fine with being a banana republic. Lots of other people are, too. But even a lot of those with good jobs resent the EU and the pro-Western media and politicians for reasons that have nothing to do with a lack of prosperity. That's my point.

    I personally like Putin, but he's not popular here. Our sorta-libertarian party's leader likes Putin and the Chinese Communists, which I guess libertarians aren't supposed to in theory. Oh well.

    , @Jack D
    @Parbes

    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians - what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait....

    Replies: @Parbes, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Parbes

    First it's common sense. Its damn Russia, read some history. Also Polish military doesn't simulate during its exercises tactical nuclear attack on Moscow. For some reason Soviet... err I mean Russian Federation military does.

    Second to hate you need two sides. Ask yourselves why Russians hate us?

    Third to end this hatefest you need only VladimirPutin to call his media director and tell him: from now on we love Poles.

    BTW I wouldn't call this hate. There is strong dislike for Russia in Poland that alt-right westerners that for some reason are in love in their vision of Russia like to call hate. Maybe when present Russian imperialistic cycle will come to an end there will be place for some diplomacy and business.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  20. @Cattle Guard
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I'd say Poland's doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc. A lot of people's lives are better than 10 years ago, but they've just gotten really tired of being lectured about how we must suck up to the West and get more Muslim immigrants and abortions so we can be really civilized. Our pro-Western elites are quite cargo-culty. I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say "Can't we just take the EU subsidies and tourists' money and forget all the other crap? Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into."

    Replies: @Parbes, @Dennis Dale, @Peter Akuleyev

    I haven't seen the musical #Hamilton, but from here it appears to be the idiot-elite class going full cargo cult.— Dennis Dale (@eladsinned) June 26, 2016

  21. The money quote is:

    “The reformed center would include the beneficiaries of globalization and the poor and non-white and marginal citizens who recognize that the celebration of national identity excludes them.”

    The open borders agenda plainly stated, for once.

  22. I called this back in ’94: https://goo.gl/7st4y6 What’s happening now, the decline of the middle-class, was predictable using orthodox trade theory. Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor — something we don’t have — free trade won’t work in our lopsided world.

    • Replies: @jill
    @Luke Lea

    James Goldsmith warned America of the consequences of GATT (WTO, NAFTA, etc.) in this interview back in 1995 ( Goldsmith is also author of the book “the Trap ” which also includes his warnings )
    The interview is in 5 parts…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0dBI

    Goldsmith also pleaded with the U.S. Senate…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maouTP8vTO0&index=1&list=PL7C94ADEE167CBB80

    CORPORATE PROFITS AFTER TAXES ARE NOW APPROACHING 2 TRILLION…
    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CP/

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @res
    @Luke Lea


    Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor — something we don’t have — free trade won’t work in our lopsided world.
     
    Would changing the tax code be a way to accomplish this? Is there a free source for your article?

    Replies: @Luke Lea

    , @YT Wurlitzer
    @Luke Lea

    Exactly this: Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor... free trade wont' work.

    Oh, but supposedly we benefit from 'cheap' imports, but of course we don't because a) the crappy products were poor value and b) the middlemen skim the difference and charge whatever the market will bear, not what it cost them to produce.

    We've had decades of this looting, this hollowing out of US citizens' prosperity, while some spoils were spread around bribe-like, but the central fact was the creation of the globullist elite at our expense. The worst of it is their arrogance, tut-tutting us for imagining we had representation by our national governments and should not complain when paid office holders used their public offices against us.

  23. @Parbes
    @Cattle Guard

    "I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say “Can’t we just take the EU subsidies and tourists’ money and forget all the other crap?...." "

    A nation with an economy dependent to any significant degree on foreign subsidies (i.e., the expectation of a free lunch) and tourist money, is basically a sort of banana republic. The human equivalent is a drug addict dependent on narcotic-induced highs. There IS no free lunch - those foreigners who give you that money don't do it for nothing; they demand (or eventually will demand) something in return. That something is the loss of national independence and sovereignty, to be followed by the gradual abolition of your nationhood, ethnicity, and people.

    And honestly, for you Poles to be persisting in this senseless anti-Russian tribal vendetta/hatefest at this point in history, when the clear and present danger to BOTH nations comes from another direction and source entirely, is beyond foolish - it's HISTORIC-CRIMINAL.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @Jack D, @Bies Podkrakowski

    I’m fine with being a banana republic. Lots of other people are, too. But even a lot of those with good jobs resent the EU and the pro-Western media and politicians for reasons that have nothing to do with a lack of prosperity. That’s my point.

    I personally like Putin, but he’s not popular here. Our sorta-libertarian party’s leader likes Putin and the Chinese Communists, which I guess libertarians aren’t supposed to in theory. Oh well.

  24. @IHTG
    What are the odds of some Western country doing the equivalent of a Jacquerie in the next few decades?

    Replies: @SFG, @another fred

    What are the odds of some Western country doing the equivalent of a Jacquerie in the next few decades?

    100%, but it will be put down ruthlessly. As long as population continues to grow individual freedom will diminish while license increases.

  25. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The aftermath of Brexit has been very disappointing, and shows just how weak we are relative to The Cathedral or Cultural Marxism or whatever you call it.

    It’s particularly funny in the context of the affluent economy of the cities being dependent on supposedly meaningless symbolic manipulations, where it’s clear for me at least that the Brexiteers have been outmaneuvered since the vote.

    That is, David Cameron or Farage or Boris Johnson could say in response to any number of things, “Well, obviously this was a difficult choice for a great number of people but it’s unfortunate that Mr XYZ is so cavalier about disparaging the considered judgment of millions of British voters. The UK intends to uphold its values and interests with respect to the Europe and the EU just as it would anywhere else. There should be no talk of retaliation or vindictiveness against the UK for exercising its best judgment for Britain the rest of Europe for that matter.”

    Which by the way, could be followed up credible, topical replies depending on the response. “I know, I don’t see myself as being anti-Europe, and many of the Leave voters aren’t either. There was just no other way to begin the reforms that the EU must make.” The key is to convey an ethos of aggressiveness but not belligerence. Simply put, the idea of retaliation against the UK for exercising its prerogatives is illegitimate.

    Most importantly, those who indulge in that sort of thing should be forced to defend themselves instead of wallowing in it which is what has happened for the last few days.

    I fear that too many of the Brexit supporters are simply drunk with success. That since the referendum was won, that the issue is over. For me, it’s just beginning.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @anonymous

    Yes, but...

    Cameron and co., were very much determined that we remain within the EU. So he was never going to give the speech you want him to. Frankly, that he conceded that the British people had voted to leave the EU and that vote must be honoured was, for me at least, a significant victory. That he has also now said this in the House of Commons is a bonus.

    Farage hasn't stopped the "independence day" talk -- yesterday he stuck it to the European parliament. But the fact remains that with a grand total of one MP in the House of Commons, Farage's influence is limited. He will have nothing to do with the negotiations to leave.

    That leaves Johnson whom, I think is something of a lightweight, so I share your concerns.

    But right now, we've had a barrage from the Cathedral in full temper tantrum at it's defeat at the hands of the British voter. Expect more economic problems in retaliation for our vote.

    A lot of them still want to reverse the verdict. See Gideon Rachman's article in today's Financial Times.

    But the move out the door is underway. I strongly recommend Richard North's blog, eureferendum.com and his Flexcit plan.

  26. @SFG
    @IHTG

    Law enforcement is way too effective these days, and their weapons are too powerful; an atom bomb can destroy a rioting city in seconds. We couldn't rise up and drive Obama out of the white house the way the French did to their king, they'd just fire live shot into the crowds. Once you're willing to kill your own people, a la China, you can win. (Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men...) Everyone remembers Tank Man because he slowed them down for a few minutes.

    Replies: @IHTG, @bomag, @BB753, @Bill

    Iraq, ISIS, and Mexican Drug Lords have shown us that modern tech can negate much of the State’s martial advantage.

    Most people are still bought off by the State (“don’t touch my social security!”). But if a tipping point is reached, we will find that A-bombs are overrated.

  27. @Numinous
    @Amasius

    How does Brexit "protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists"?

    Replies: @bomag, @Wilkey, @Amasius, @Anonymous

    How does Brexit “protect their daughters…?”

    It is the first in a series of steps.

  28. I know, Steve, how you like cinematic analogies for current events, so I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the 1989 sci-fi/horror film Society. The slogan on billboards was ” The rich have always fed on the poor. Now it’s for real.”
    The rich are revealed in the film as a shape-shifting alien species who drain the nutrients out of dead humans. As all the humans involved are white and middle class, the film makers are transparently saying that it is the white middle classes who are being predated, not the poor.
    Although, it was released in 1989 in Europe, it wasn’t released til 1992 in the US. The film was well-received in Europe and was a success at the box-office, unlike its release in the States.
    A sharp touch was the use of the Eton Boating Society to accompany the end credits. The song contains the line “Society belongs to me,” which accurately sums up the attitude of our global lords and masters.

  29. Shorter Traub: “We’re locked in a Goliath versus David battle to speak power to truth. Don’t they know that middle class greed hurts billionaires in need?”

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Cattle Guard
    @countenance

    Ha. I've posted this "speak power to truth" bumper sticker as a comment sometime last year, but it's more current than ever: http://drboli.com/2015/03/31/bumper-sticker-3/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  30. @SFG
    @IHTG

    Law enforcement is way too effective these days, and their weapons are too powerful; an atom bomb can destroy a rioting city in seconds. We couldn't rise up and drive Obama out of the white house the way the French did to their king, they'd just fire live shot into the crowds. Once you're willing to kill your own people, a la China, you can win. (Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men...) Everyone remembers Tank Man because he slowed them down for a few minutes.

    Replies: @IHTG, @bomag, @BB753, @Bill

    You need more than guns to stage a successful coup nowadays, unless you’re backed by the US state department, Maidan – style..
    In the XXI century you need an aviation, drones, missiles, tanks, heavy artillery and perhaps nukes to win.

  31. @Parbes
    @Cattle Guard

    "I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say “Can’t we just take the EU subsidies and tourists’ money and forget all the other crap?...." "

    A nation with an economy dependent to any significant degree on foreign subsidies (i.e., the expectation of a free lunch) and tourist money, is basically a sort of banana republic. The human equivalent is a drug addict dependent on narcotic-induced highs. There IS no free lunch - those foreigners who give you that money don't do it for nothing; they demand (or eventually will demand) something in return. That something is the loss of national independence and sovereignty, to be followed by the gradual abolition of your nationhood, ethnicity, and people.

    And honestly, for you Poles to be persisting in this senseless anti-Russian tribal vendetta/hatefest at this point in history, when the clear and present danger to BOTH nations comes from another direction and source entirely, is beyond foolish - it's HISTORIC-CRIMINAL.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @Jack D, @Bies Podkrakowski

    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians – what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait….

    • Replies: @Parbes
    @Jack D

    You, sir, are Exhibit #1 for Blockheaded Trolling In Service Of The Globalist And Neocon Agenda For The Destruction Of Europe.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians – what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait….
     
    So, that episode (historical footnote) will be mitigated by being part of a anti-Christian transnational organization run by the Germans?
    , @The Alarmist
    @Jack D


    "Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians – what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait…"
     
    Nothing that at least one major EU power didn't also do.
  32. @Parbes
    @Cattle Guard

    "I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say “Can’t we just take the EU subsidies and tourists’ money and forget all the other crap?...." "

    A nation with an economy dependent to any significant degree on foreign subsidies (i.e., the expectation of a free lunch) and tourist money, is basically a sort of banana republic. The human equivalent is a drug addict dependent on narcotic-induced highs. There IS no free lunch - those foreigners who give you that money don't do it for nothing; they demand (or eventually will demand) something in return. That something is the loss of national independence and sovereignty, to be followed by the gradual abolition of your nationhood, ethnicity, and people.

    And honestly, for you Poles to be persisting in this senseless anti-Russian tribal vendetta/hatefest at this point in history, when the clear and present danger to BOTH nations comes from another direction and source entirely, is beyond foolish - it's HISTORIC-CRIMINAL.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @Jack D, @Bies Podkrakowski

    First it’s common sense. Its damn Russia, read some history. Also Polish military doesn’t simulate during its exercises tactical nuclear attack on Moscow. For some reason Soviet… err I mean Russian Federation military does.

    Second to hate you need two sides. Ask yourselves why Russians hate us?

    Third to end this hatefest you need only VladimirPutin to call his media director and tell him: from now on we love Poles.

    BTW I wouldn’t call this hate. There is strong dislike for Russia in Poland that alt-right westerners that for some reason are in love in their vision of Russia like to call hate. Maybe when present Russian imperialistic cycle will come to an end there will be place for some diplomacy and business.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Poland's Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election. Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.

    Replies: @AP, @Verymuchalive, @Bies Podkrakowski

  33. To paraphrase Orwell: The word “democracy” has now no meaning expect in so far as it signifies ‘something desirable’ to rich globalists, such as George Soros.

  34. @countenance
    Shorter Traub: "We're locked in a Goliath versus David battle to speak power to truth. Don't they know that middle class greed hurts billionaires in need?"

    Replies: @Cattle Guard

    Ha. I’ve posted this “speak power to truth” bumper sticker as a comment sometime last year, but it’s more current than ever: http://drboli.com/2015/03/31/bumper-sticker-3/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Cattle Guard

    Thanks.

  35. AP says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Among the many blindingly unselfaware assertions Traub makes, this one stood out for me:

    "I was recently in Poland, where a far-right party appealing to nationalism and tradition has gained power despite years of undeniable prosperity under a centrist regime."
     
    Undeniable prosperity. Yes, for the college educated Warsaw types that Traub probably knows well, it seems self-evident that Poland is booming. There are Starbucks coffee shops everywhere, there are yoga classes, sushi restaurants, 10K runs on the week-ends, bike paths, gay pride parades, cable TV with the latest American TV series, and you can even buy a cheap chalupa in Cracow. Our elites can't even fathom the idea that millions of people aren't as thrilled with this type of "prosperity" as they are.

    Our elites, like most economists, seem blind to the role that status plays in human life. As a result of "prosperity" millions of ordinary Poles find themselves treated as second-class citizens in their own country. If you can't speak English, you're provincial. If you follow the teachings of the Catholic church, you're superstitious at best, or a small-minded homophobe at worst. If you can't afford a ski vacation in Austria or two weeks on the beach in Thailand, then you are a loser. Do these Poles think their lives are better? Of course not.

    To rail against such people as "ignorant" betrays an incredible lack of empathy and curiosity, which are ironically characteristics I am sure Traub thinks he possesses in spades.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @AP, @Anonymous

    All true. However, and not contradicting your post, even though there is much less equality than there had been, the lives of provincial Poles are still materially much better than they had once been.

    I know a few wealthy Poles, who voted for Kukiz (their parents voted for Law and Justice, but they liked Law and Justice too). The perception that the outgoing leaders had sold Poland to the Germans isn’t one limited to poor and provincial Poles.

  36. I think that James Traub should be immediately fired from whatever it is he does and replaced with an immigrant. Reading his history, he is the son of a former Chairman of Bloomingdales and went to Harvard, as did his dad. He has lived a sheltered life and never has had to worry about where his next paycheck would come from. His head is filled with pie in the sky ideals instead of the realities of life.

  37. @Cattle Guard
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I'd say Poland's doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc. A lot of people's lives are better than 10 years ago, but they've just gotten really tired of being lectured about how we must suck up to the West and get more Muslim immigrants and abortions so we can be really civilized. Our pro-Western elites are quite cargo-culty. I get the feeling that a lot of people just shrug and say "Can't we just take the EU subsidies and tourists' money and forget all the other crap? Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into."

    Replies: @Parbes, @Dennis Dale, @Peter Akuleyev

    Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into.”

    Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western. Germans don’t trust Russia, but they are fascinated with Russian culture and tend to like Russians on a gut level. The French, Italians and Austrians are fairly positive about Russia, they just dislike rich new Russians flaunting their wealth. I don’t know whether the Spanish give Russia much thought at all. Brexit is a disaster for Poland in the sense that Poland will no longer have a strong ally inside the EU who shares the Polish dislike of Russia and willingness to support an anti-Russian Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western."

    I don't think the average UK citizen thinks much about Russia at all. But our press, politicians and the BBC are trying their best to induce hate in them. Intelligent Remain voters warn me of the increased Russian threat now that we've voted out - and they're sincere.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Hating Russia is a value of Deep State militarists and ethnocentric neocons. Not a value of the average American. Since the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia hasn't been viewed as being especially scary by the general public.

    After the Soviet Union collapsed, there was period of chaos and disorder in the country. During that era, a small group of Russian-Jewish oligarchs took control of much of the nation's economy. By rigging the process under which Russia's natural resources and major companies were privatized, they became very wealthy and powerful. They also forged relationships with American/Western policymakers (such as HW Bush and Larry Summers), the Israeli establishment, and powerful Jewish financiers (such as Marc Rich).

    Their machinations made them wealthy, but impoverished much of the population of Russia. The life expectancy dropped and the currency even collapsed. Much of the Russian government was owned by the oligarchs, so there really wasn't any effective regulation of them. President Boris Yeltsin was such a raging alcoholic that he was too ill to even do his job.

    Putin succeeded Yeltsin. As the new premier, he locked up a lot of the oligarchs and stabilized the national economy. That made him popular within his country, but very alarming to America's rulers and Jewish neocons. They've used their media influence to demonize Putin to an extreme extent. They've also created an alliance with the Deep-State military-industrial complex, which feels it'd benefit economically from a new Cold War.

    If Putin had agreed to be a puppet of the Russian-Jewish oligarchs, he'd have received favorable media coverage like Boris Yeltsin did.

    Americans have remarkably little influence in Washington DC these days. Globalist oligarchs, Deep State schemers, and Jewish neocons run our country. Anti-Russian animosity has nothing to do with how the average Joe feels.

  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry Ron, in advance for what may appear to be AntiSemitism on my part.

    But at the end of reading this I said to myself, “Ten to one, this guy’s Jewish.” And of course, upon looking up his biography in Wiki, this turned out to be the case.

    Now why would that be? Why would I be able to unerringly identify his ethnicity from having read just one article that he had written? I don’t think it’s magic, or sorcery. I’m an empiricist. What is it about the tone or tenor of what he had written that tipped me off?

    Could it have been the (no longer implicit, but) explicit sense of superiority? Of entitlement?–his writing as though he were born to rule and his edicts are beyond questioning? His utter distain for those whom he discusses?

    Could this distain be the very source of the anger felt by those whom he dismisses as ignoramuses? What evidence does he cite for the allegedly better quality of life for the majority of persons living under the New Dogma?

    The Globalists entire argument hinges on Krugman’s absolute conviction and faith in the dogma of Comparative Advantage.

    What is “nativism” to the those slandering Trump is “autarky” to Krugman. Like Traub, Paul too comes from this Harvard/Jewish milieu and there is a certain aura of inbredness about both these people’s ideas as well as their childhood upbringing. They are closeted people who don’t know much about the wider world that is America.

    Economics, by its very nature, insofar as it is based upon predictive modeling, must treat people as identical. They are units of production and consumption. The act of quantifying treats one individual instance of something as equal to one other instance of something; unique characteristics are bleached out in this act of abstraction. So dismissing people’s unique identity is inherent in the practice of modern economics.

    This issue has plagued thinkers since time immemorial. It is the key point in Plato’s dialogues and is looked at most intently in the Parmenides.

    What is the relation between the part and the whole? What constitutes a Group Identity? How are we to conceive the Just relation between the citizen and his community? Is one an Athenian? or a Hellene? or a self-interested individual? This is important because it is said that the Greeks went under because they couldn’t put aside their petty squabbling between city-states to unify against a common enemy.

    What does it mean, for example, to say “I am a Jew!”? and a moment later, “I am an American!”? Is one a Jew first? or an American? Which is a subset of the other? Today we classify according to the system of Linnaeus, but can such emotionally laden issues be so easily classified? Can an economist dismiss one’s “Polishness” or “Blackness” with a backward wave of the hand, as just so much “noise” in his Platonic model of Ideal consumers and producers?

    It is proverbial in Olympic swimming that individual swimmers have turned in personal-best times when swimming as members of a relay team. Why would that be? Could it be that some ineffable “Spirit” is tapped when one is a member of a Team? And what does this do to economic models that treat of every individual–Game Theory Style–as though they act so as to maximize their individually-conceived self interest. Can a homogenous nation tap into a reservoir of good will and team spirit that enables it to overcome obstacles which would destroy a polyglot aggregation of comrade citizens?

    Some believe that Jewish thinkers denigrate group identity in others (while giving it a pass amongst their own) because of their covert animosity towards outsiders. If this were the case, then Krugman’s economic modeling in which unique cultural traits are bleached out is implicitly hateful. Others (like myself) believe that his blindness to the salutary effects of group identity are the inevitable byproduct of his method.

    The Existentialist thinkers (especially those who came out of WW2) had tried to impress upon us that in real life and death situations, one must choose sides. However, since economic models are designed to function “in the normal run of daily affairs” they cannot deal with extreme cases such as war or economic disasters which ruin real worker’s lives and drive them to extreme behavior. This is why the modelers panic when confronted with angry crowds of people whose prospects have been trashed. Because, by virtue of their model, they have nothing to offer these people, they must dismiss their point of view as irrelevant. That all this detritus of Globalism feel as though they share a group identity the economists dismiss as an illusion i.e. that the members of this set are using an inappropriate variable to define membership. But when people are driven to the wall, then group identity becomes all important, as the Existentialists tried to show.

    So, economists, whose very modeling excludes group identity, in a wonderful example of Hegelian reversal, end up by eliciting or calling into existence the very thing they ignore.

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    These elites are uninterested in bringing their revolution to non-white countries.

    Their prescriptions are laser focused on white countries with not a peep to say about non-white countries that violate these elites’ sacred principles.

    e.g. Mexican hostility to many planks of the elite program. Chinese hostility is given the same pass, and on and on. But Russian hostility is cause for WW3…….?

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Anonymous

    This is just wrong. The IMF et al. have been running roughshod over nonwhite countries for decades now. Where do you think the rare minerals in your cellphone come from?

    I appreciate WN but there is a more comprehensive view.

  40. @Expletive Deleted
    "should Brexit go terribly wrong — losing control of the angry, nationalist rank and file "
    "The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them .."
    "It is necessary to say that people are deluded and that the task of leadership is to un-delude them."
    Yuk.
    There was nothing "nationalist" about my Out vote. Merely correcting a mistake I made forty-odd years ago. Because they definitely lied back then. The EEC was not the (protectionist, surplus-dumping, expansionist, centralised and arguably racist) EU it turned into.

    James Traub? Who he? Why so fixated on (largely mythical) half-witted angry nationalist proles? Rather than economics, which he sort of half-gets (and dances around) as being the actual cause for most Brexitees.
    Let's see ... [typity type]
    Every. Damn. Time.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    Yes, James Traub is Jewish (son of the late former chairman of Bloomingdales department store Marvin Traub). However, a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit (see graph 6 of 7):

    EU Referendum result: 7 graphs that explain how Brexit won

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous


    a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit
     
    There you go. As I suspected. British people of all stripes and spiritual eccentricities who appreciate basic economics and the ideas of representative democracy tend to the side of self determination, within a self-governing polity. From before even Kronenbourg beer; since 1657. What the foreigners want from us, I neither know nor much care. Why do they worrit so passionately over what we do? It's almost like we were dangerously important or something, here in the Shire.

    Replies: @Glaivester

    , @Glaivester
    @Anonymous


    However, a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit (see graph 6 of 7):
     
    I'd like to think that somewhere, Benjamin Disraeli is smiling proudly.
  41. @Amasius
    "Mainstream parties of the left and right may increasingly combine forces to keep out the nationalists. This has already happened in Sweden, where a right-of-center party serves as the minority partner to the left-of-center government. If the Socialists in France do in fact lose the first round, they will almost certainly support the conservative Republicans against the far-right National Front."

    Maybe team up with the moslems like in Houellebecq's "Submission"?

    I know I shouldn't let it get to me, but it still rankles that these people actually think they have some kind of superiority over us when it comes to intelligence and knowledge. The truth is that they aren't educated at all; they can't properly be said to know anything, as everything they think they know is wrong. Their whole universe of racial egalitarianism and desirable-for-all globalism is a fiction. All they can do is shower us with lies and hate from the big megaphone. They've lost all legitimacy.

    Brexit has taken the mask off like nothing has so far. These people are evil, insane, and bent on our destruction.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “Brexit has taken the mask off like nothing has so far. These people are evil, insane, and bent on our destruction.”

    I recall Christopher Lasch wrote that an elitist wears a mask of smiling benevolence which hides a venomous hatred.

  42. @Luke Lea
    I called this back in '94: https://goo.gl/7st4y6 What's happening now, the decline of the middle-class, was predictable using orthodox trade theory. Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor -- something we don't have -- free trade won't work in our lopsided world.

    Replies: @jill, @res, @YT Wurlitzer

    James Goldsmith warned America of the consequences of GATT (WTO, NAFTA, etc.) in this interview back in 1995 ( Goldsmith is also author of the book “the Trap ” which also includes his warnings )
    The interview is in 5 parts…

    Goldsmith also pleaded with the U.S. Senate…

    CORPORATE PROFITS AFTER TAXES ARE NOW APPROACHING 2 TRILLION…
    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CP/

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @jill

    I just read the entire inverview. Sheesh! Now I feel even more sad. It was fun when Goldsmith verbally slapped that stooge of an economist...man, was she a world-class jerk. He was incredibly courteous while I would have throttled her!

  43. nation with an economy dependent to any significant degree on foreign subsidies (i.e., the expectation of a free lunch) …is basically a sort of banana republic.

    With the greatest of respect for the remarkable Scottish people through history…ahem, cough, cough…Scotland.

  44. @BenKenobi
    They wanted evil White men. They shall have them.

    Do not lament that we have come.

    We are the culmination of the entire progressive philosophy.

    We are the synthesis.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Mr. Anon, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    That was great.

  45. @Clyde
    Dylan describing the NY arts elites of his day

    Ah you never turned around to see the frowns
    On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did tricks for you
    You never understood that it ain't no good
    You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
     
    It’s profoundly evil of Traub to condescend and sneer at decent people who only want to protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists.
    Sneering and condescension is Obama's specialty and it is worse now in his last year. He has been pulling himself away from watching Sports Center and b-ball on TV, to make some choice commentary.

    Replies: @Barnard

    He has been pulling himself away from watching Sports Center and b-ball on TV, to make some choice commentary.

    Yes, now that the NBA Finals have ended and the season finale of Game of Thrones has aired, we can anticipate some choice commentary with several more executive actions. Obama isn’t much of a baseball fan, but hopefully he is into the Olympics and that will distract him. He can complain to Michelle how much better the games would have been if the Chicago bid had been successful.

  46. @Luke Lea
    I called this back in '94: https://goo.gl/7st4y6 What's happening now, the decline of the middle-class, was predictable using orthodox trade theory. Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor -- something we don't have -- free trade won't work in our lopsided world.

    Replies: @jill, @res, @YT Wurlitzer

    Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor — something we don’t have — free trade won’t work in our lopsided world.

    Would changing the tax code be a way to accomplish this? Is there a free source for your article?

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @res

    "Would changing the tax code be a way to accomplish this? Is there a free source for your article?"

    Well, possibly, I don't know: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qJCdkd50kFib3VqagZdSZiPYSKNpZ83JQ6LteKbLWuE/edit?usp=sharing

    As for the article: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B48WcEDU3CN9a1RXYmtEN1Y5Q25zOHpGUzJyemh3d1hwYW5B/view?usp=sharing

    Replies: @Wade

  47. @Diversity Heretic
    @BenKenobi

    Well and succinctly said, sir! That article absolutely drips with contempt for the white lumpen proletariat. I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jim, @Bill, @SteveO

    The Bourbons didn’t keep two sets of dishes!

  48. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Cattle Guard


    Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into.”
     
    Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western. Germans don't trust Russia, but they are fascinated with Russian culture and tend to like Russians on a gut level. The French, Italians and Austrians are fairly positive about Russia, they just dislike rich new Russians flaunting their wealth. I don't know whether the Spanish give Russia much thought at all. Brexit is a disaster for Poland in the sense that Poland will no longer have a strong ally inside the EU who shares the Polish dislike of Russia and willingness to support an anti-Russian Ukraine.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @JohnnyWalker123

    “Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western.”

    I don’t think the average UK citizen thinks much about Russia at all. But our press, politicians and the BBC are trying their best to induce hate in them. Intelligent Remain voters warn me of the increased Russian threat now that we’ve voted out – and they’re sincere.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anonymous Nephew


    "I don’t think the average UK citizen thinks much about Russia at all. "
     
    They don't think much of it, but if it happens to come up in conversation, they will invariably parrot the BBC/Sky propaganda they have spoonfed. I get stares of disbelief from colleagues in London if I utter anything modestly positive about Putin or Russia.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous Nephew

    There are a lot of wealthy Russian-Jewish oligarchs in the UK these days. They're behind the anti-Russian posturing. Also, the UK establishment (especially Tony Blair) is very friendly to America's oligarch/Deep State/neocon over class.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  49. @Diversity Heretic
    @BenKenobi

    Well and succinctly said, sir! That article absolutely drips with contempt for the white lumpen proletariat. I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jim, @Bill, @SteveO

    There’s no question that the ancien regime and the Czarist nobility had much more empathy for the common people of their countries than our elites today.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  50. In the late 1960s, elites were in disarray, as they are now — but back then they were fleeing from kids rebelling against their parents’ world; now the elites are fleeing from the parents. Extremism has gone mainstream.

    This is the sort of odd statement that allows the truth to shine through the narrative a bit: In Traub’s metaphor the parents are the extremists and the children are the rational ones. That’s not how things work normally. These guys are just mad, mad I tell you that their stock prices dipped so badly after Brexit. That’s what all of this is about really. The Elites have climbed the social latter ahead of everyone else and then lifted it so no one else can follow. They just want to live off of capital gains and the stock market. Everything in our society (The Fed, EU, immigration for low wages) is being rigged accordingly to keep the stock market rising. A “market correction” is in order I think. The less numerate elites and “experts” like Traub want to live off conveying the elites’ message to the masses.

    One of the most brazen features of the Brexit vote was the utter repudiation of the bankers and economists and Western heads of state who warned voters against the dangers of a split with the European Union.

    Indeed.

    Mainstream parties of the left and right may increasingly combine forces to keep out the nationalists.

    Hey, wouldn’t it be a master stroke of genius for the left wing parties of Europe to temporarily unite with Muslim extremists politically to block out the nationalists from winning elections? I mean like no one would even see that coming!

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Wade

    Of course, Wade, these elitist megazillionaires are the ones who temporarily crashed their own Monopoly Money in what Countenance (at his eponymous blog) calls an action parallel to Fergaza's rioters.



    In Traub’s metaphor the parents are the extremists and the children are the rational ones.
     
    I heard or read somewhere today that one of the ideas being kicked around for the new and improved United Socialist State of Pan-Europa is that voting rights would be apportioned to the populace on an age-related basis. Younger people would get 100% of a vote; older people less. People over 60, something like 35%.

    The US and Europe have been turned into basically shopping malls, or enterprise zones, or theme parks. One's consumer preferences--based on fabricated demographics and alliances--are supposed to take precedence over horrible old constructs like national loyalty or racial identity.

    In this, the powers that be (such as little Jimmy Traub, heir of the Bloomingdale's empire) are trying to make everyone Rootless Cosmopolitans just like themselves. Problem is, we aren't all hardwired like that. They still have a few billion of movable human capital to shunt around toward this goal...but it seems that even the seething masses yearning to breed free (and subsidized) are frequently very dismayed to learn that the propaganda of their FB account doesn't match the reality of everyday life.
  51. @Jack D
    @Parbes

    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians - what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait....

    Replies: @Parbes, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist

    You, sir, are Exhibit #1 for Blockheaded Trolling In Service Of The Globalist And Neocon Agenda For The Destruction Of Europe.

  52. It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up

    Foreign Policy, indeed. AKA the Policy of Foreigners, applied domestically.

    If Traub is rallying “the troops” to fight rather than take flight, I have some advice:

    Run, run, run, run
    You better make your face up in
    Your favourite disguise
    With your button down lips and your
    Roller blind eyes
    With your empty smile
    And your hungry heart
    Feel the bile rising from your guilty past

    Time for diaspora jerks like Traub to make aliyah. Call it the Samsonite Option.

    We’ll keep the diaspora patriots:

    Seriously, it’s really not that complicated why a patriotic Jewish kid from Santa Monica like Stephen Miller would support Likud Lite immigration policies for his own country. The Jewish immigration restrictionist intellectuals from Southern California such as David Horowitz, Mickey Kaus, and various low-key friends of Ann Coulter tend to be aware that the kind of immigration policies that are good for Israelis would also be good for Americans.

  53. @Jack D
    @Parbes

    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians - what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait....

    Replies: @Parbes, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist

    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians – what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait….

    So, that episode (historical footnote) will be mitigated by being part of a anti-Christian transnational organization run by the Germans?

  54. @Expletive Deleted

    I’d say Poland’s doing pretty well economically, including rural areas, skilled trades, small businesses etc.
     
    I'm not surprised. There are at least 950,000 fresh opportunities for tradesmen and SME operators in Poland now, replacing the ones who moved to UK (and send healthy remittances including welfare payments back). Tough on the 'lazy' Brit brickies, sparkies, drivers and shopkeepers, eh?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    “Tough on the ‘lazy’ Brit brickies, sparkies, drivers and shopkeepers, eh?”

    That’s obnoxious. It’s tough on the Brit brickies, drivers and shopkeepers who have been suckered into a certain lifestyle, mortgages, etc. by a predatory lending class who now want to replace them with cheaper labour because they can’t work at the near slave wages the cronies are willing to pay.

  55. My forehead is getting red from being slapped so much as I read that drivel. Truly breathtaking, but also not surprising. This guy is suffering from a very bad case of Pauline Kael syndrome. He clearly doesn’t actually know anyone outside of the DC-London-Wall Street power structure (and yes, that includes elite “journalists,” who may not have much power, but boy are they impressed by it and want very much to remain on its good side and get tossed its not-insubstantial crumbs).

  56. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western."

    I don't think the average UK citizen thinks much about Russia at all. But our press, politicians and the BBC are trying their best to induce hate in them. Intelligent Remain voters warn me of the increased Russian threat now that we've voted out - and they're sincere.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    “I don’t think the average UK citizen thinks much about Russia at all. “

    They don’t think much of it, but if it happens to come up in conversation, they will invariably parrot the BBC/Sky propaganda they have spoonfed. I get stares of disbelief from colleagues in London if I utter anything modestly positive about Putin or Russia.

  57. @Jack D
    @Parbes

    Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians - what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait....

    Replies: @Parbes, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist

    “Yes, why would the Poles possibly be suspicious about the Russians – what have the Russians ever done to them? No, wait…”

    Nothing that at least one major EU power didn’t also do.

  58. @Luke Lea
    I called this back in '94: https://goo.gl/7st4y6 What's happening now, the decline of the middle-class, was predictable using orthodox trade theory. Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor -- something we don't have -- free trade won't work in our lopsided world.

    Replies: @jill, @res, @YT Wurlitzer

    Exactly this: Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor… free trade wont’ work.

    Oh, but supposedly we benefit from ‘cheap’ imports, but of course we don’t because a) the crappy products were poor value and b) the middlemen skim the difference and charge whatever the market will bear, not what it cost them to produce.

    We’ve had decades of this looting, this hollowing out of US citizens’ prosperity, while some spoils were spread around bribe-like, but the central fact was the creation of the globullist elite at our expense. The worst of it is their arrogance, tut-tutting us for imagining we had representation by our national governments and should not complain when paid office holders used their public offices against us.

  59. Guys, I couldn’t read the article because it was behind a pay wall. For those with a similar problem, Zero Hedge has printed it in full here.

  60. @SFG
    @IHTG

    Law enforcement is way too effective these days, and their weapons are too powerful; an atom bomb can destroy a rioting city in seconds. We couldn't rise up and drive Obama out of the white house the way the French did to their king, they'd just fire live shot into the crowds. Once you're willing to kill your own people, a la China, you can win. (Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men...) Everyone remembers Tank Man because he slowed them down for a few minutes.

    Replies: @IHTG, @bomag, @BB753, @Bill

    Progressive forces were killing Evil White Men…

    That’s the key. Cops, soldiers, and their sycophants sometimes talk a silly line about how they don’t like their bosses and how they’d be on the good guys’ side in an armed conflict. But nobody would ask them to shoot good guys. They would be asked to shoot nazi skinhead racist sexist homophobic terrorists.

  61. @Diversity Heretic
    @BenKenobi

    Well and succinctly said, sir! That article absolutely drips with contempt for the white lumpen proletariat. I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jim, @Bill, @SteveO

    I know it’s beside your point, but the peasants were not exactly big winners in 1789 or 1918. They also weren’t important to or even noticeably involved in the events to which you allude.

  62. @Anatoly Karlin
    Thought this was going to be satire (this is Foreign Policy not National Review after all). I misunderestimated.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Anonymous

    “Thought this was going to be satire (this is Foreign Policy not National Review after all). I misunderestimated.”

    With all due respect, they count on that. They count on what they see as our lesser intelligence. Even worse, they count on our greater benevolence.

    It’s no longer the case that “nice guys finish last”. It’s now the case that “nice guys are finished”.

    We need to start making the connection between “irreconcilable differences” and “by any means necessary”. They have and they’re already acting on it.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Kylie

    Agreed. This is Steve's biggest failing in that (barring the occasional bout of snark) he thinks that these people can be reasoned with vs. deserving to stand in front of a Committee of Safety.

    He'd be stuffed in a camp so fast if they had their way but he thinks its because of (insert tangled logical pathway here) that they don't REALLY want that.

    Replies: @Nico, @Kylie

  63. @Diversity Heretic
    @BenKenobi

    Well and succinctly said, sir! That article absolutely drips with contempt for the white lumpen proletariat. I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jim, @Bill, @SteveO

    I think the Bourbons had more respect for the peasants in 1789 and the Czar had more genuine concern for Russians in 1917 than our present elite have for us.

    If they did, it was because of noblesse oblige. That was the great virtue of the old, aristocratic elites, including the pre-war American upper class. If you believe you got where you are by the grace of God or the good fortune of birth, then you are more inclined to feel sympathy for and obligation toward those less fortunate.

    On the other hand, in our faux-meritocracy, the elites are likely to believe they got where they are because of their own merit and hard work. This promotes a negative view of lesser achievers since it is no longer a matter of ill fortune that keeps them down but rather laziness and bad habits. (Or racism, of course. The contemptuous view of the middle and working class is applied only to whites.)

    There were many flaws in the old British and American class systems, nor were all aristos charitable by any means. Nevertheless, the withering contempt of the modern elite is far more pernicious than the simple snobbery of the old elite because it allows the person of higher class to feel no connection with, or responsibility or sympathy for, anyone below him on the socioeconomic ladder.

    • Agree: BB753, Jim Don Bob
  64. For the last sixty years Traub and all the other Traublemakers have been screwing us Americans and Europeans. Now that the people who have suffered under such Traublemakers express their opposition to Globalism/Invade The World/Invite The World, Traub and his ilk are, for the first time in their super-privileged, finger-wagging lives, afraid of the Democracy they’ve contrived, purely for the unprecedented extortionist profit of their own exclusive transnational elite, to stamp out to replace, dispossess, and immiserate us.

    It’s a hopeful sign for us ordinary people to see and hear all the Traublemakers pointing and spluttering as they shake in their Gucci boots.

  65. @Expletive Deleted
    "should Brexit go terribly wrong — losing control of the angry, nationalist rank and file "
    "The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them .."
    "It is necessary to say that people are deluded and that the task of leadership is to un-delude them."
    Yuk.
    There was nothing "nationalist" about my Out vote. Merely correcting a mistake I made forty-odd years ago. Because they definitely lied back then. The EEC was not the (protectionist, surplus-dumping, expansionist, centralised and arguably racist) EU it turned into.

    James Traub? Who he? Why so fixated on (largely mythical) half-witted angry nationalist proles? Rather than economics, which he sort of half-gets (and dances around) as being the actual cause for most Brexitees.
    Let's see ... [typity type]
    Every. Damn. Time.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    (((Traub))). That’s who he is, and that’s his motivation. If he thinks the minuscule steps taken by the British to preserve their nation, culture, and people are upsetting let’s hope he never finds out about Israel’s more vigorous efforts along those lines, lest he have a heart attack. Not.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @anon


    (((Traub))). That’s who he is, and that’s his motivation. If he thinks the minuscule steps taken by the British to preserve their nation, culture, and people are upsetting let’s hope he never finds out about Israel’s more vigorous efforts along those lines, lest he have a heart attack. Not.
     
    You assume too much and are stereotyping. A quick perusal of the internet tells me Traub is not a pro-Israel type of Jew.
  66. @Ron Unz
    Yes, a remarkably abtuse essay by a supposedly well-informed thinker.

    One odd thing I've remarked on recently is that it looks like almost 100% of all the "mainstream" writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Hillary Clinton over Trump. But almost 100% of the "alternative" writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton. The same seems true for Brexit.

    Perhaps Traub and his friends should spend a little more time reading the alternative media, perhaps even this small webzine, to gain a better understanding of what's happening, which sorely seemed to be lacking in his analysis. Someone upthread noted how much it sounded like the Bourbons in 1789...

    Replies: @NOTA, @JohnnyWalker123, @Bill

    There is a ruling class consensus–cheap labor, open borders, massive surveillance, affirmative action, endless deficit spending, constant invasions and bombings of third world countries, deferential treatment of big banks, etc. And the thing is, that consensus is working out really well for the people at the top. Sure, some losers on the bottom (or even in the middle) are getting screwed over, but the folks at the top don’t know any of those people and never will. From their perspective, the ruling class consensus has overwhelmingly good consequences, and so campaigning against it seems nuts.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @NOTA

    But, there is always a tipping point. Uncontrollable, growing negative developments, contribute to the increasing unease of the ruling class...who are still mortals, btw. May they sit in their summer homes and quiver with anxiety.

    I heard that the Netherlands are thinking: "I wanna be a free-agent like England." I think this is why Merkel does not want all the EU member reps to badmouth England. In fact, wasn't there an order to "zip it?" I knew that condescending to the masses (in USA & EU countries) and calling people racists was going to backfire. I sensed this years ago. It's always been: "it's the economy, stupid." And, there is no difference between Left & Right.

    OT: Ironic that the Euro Soccer Championships in Paris had a ton of nationalistic fervor going on at various games; and some fights between fans during this Brexit affair!

  67. @Ron Unz
    Yes, a remarkably abtuse essay by a supposedly well-informed thinker.

    One odd thing I've remarked on recently is that it looks like almost 100% of all the "mainstream" writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Hillary Clinton over Trump. But almost 100% of the "alternative" writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton. The same seems true for Brexit.

    Perhaps Traub and his friends should spend a little more time reading the alternative media, perhaps even this small webzine, to gain a better understanding of what's happening, which sorely seemed to be lacking in his analysis. Someone upthread noted how much it sounded like the Bourbons in 1789...

    Replies: @NOTA, @JohnnyWalker123, @Bill

    Here’s an interesting article about how Hollywood is overwhelmingly supporting Hillary Clinton. She has raised 12 times the amount of Hollywood money as Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/step-aside-bernie-sanders-hollywood-rainmakers-are-ready-for-hillary-clinton.html

    That’s interesting because you’d expect supposedly “liberal” Hollywood to be more supportive of the more leftist candidate. I’d also expect that with Sanders being Jewish, there’d be some amount of ethnic pride around having the first Jewish-American president.

    So why is Hollywood supporting Hllary over Bernie?

    I think the answer is because Clinton is favored by all the powerful factions within our country’s establishment. She has the support of the globalist oligarchs, the “Deep State”, and the neocons. Since Hollywood is linked in with the establishment, they favor Hillary.

    Steve Sailer has often said that the media/pundit class are essentially apart of what he called the “Shallow State.” Perhaps some of the more elite-level Hollywood celebs/execs could be thought of as being apart of this group. When they were instructed by the oligarch/Deep State/neocon string pullers to support Hillary, they complied. When the elites of Hollywood got behind Hillary, the lower level Hollywood celebs/execs figured they better conform to the views of the Hollywood top dogs(or their career prospects might suffer).

    In America today, the most important division is not between liberals and conservatives. It’s the division between the globalists and the populist-nationalists. Both Bernie and the Donald are the wrong side of this, so they get the cold shoulder from the establishment.

    Anyway, those were some of my thoughts. I definitely think it’s interesting how Hollywood lined up behind Hillary instead of Bernie.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Johnny, You are looking for too deep of a meaning. The Clintons welcomed the Hollywood elites with open arms, lavish dinners, photo ops and a night spent in the Lincoln bedroom. A chance to hobnob with "royalty." I think most Hollywood stars are shallow people.

  68. I live in Poland and IME Poles are surprisingly positive about Russians at the personal level and appreciate and like many aspects of Russian culture. It’s Russian governments that they despise (for mostly very good reasons) some more than others.

    The idea of being friends instead of enemies with Ukraine (with which they have a much longer border) is a new and novel idea and many people like it (and others don’t for the usual reasons – toxic history).

    Poland has changed greatly for the better since leaving the Russian sphere of political influence so they see the Ukrainian situation in those terms – Ukrainians as a source of cheaper labor is probably also welcome. I live in western Poland and it’s not that unusual to hear Russian and Ukraininian on the street now (very rare even a few years ago).

  69. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Cattle Guard


    Well, except maybe hating Russia and complaining about cheap Chinese goods, those are Western values we are into.”
     
    Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western. Germans don't trust Russia, but they are fascinated with Russian culture and tend to like Russians on a gut level. The French, Italians and Austrians are fairly positive about Russia, they just dislike rich new Russians flaunting their wealth. I don't know whether the Spanish give Russia much thought at all. Brexit is a disaster for Poland in the sense that Poland will no longer have a strong ally inside the EU who shares the Polish dislike of Russia and willingness to support an anti-Russian Ukraine.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @JohnnyWalker123

    Hating Russia is a value of Deep State militarists and ethnocentric neocons. Not a value of the average American. Since the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia hasn’t been viewed as being especially scary by the general public.

    After the Soviet Union collapsed, there was period of chaos and disorder in the country. During that era, a small group of Russian-Jewish oligarchs took control of much of the nation’s economy. By rigging the process under which Russia’s natural resources and major companies were privatized, they became very wealthy and powerful. They also forged relationships with American/Western policymakers (such as HW Bush and Larry Summers), the Israeli establishment, and powerful Jewish financiers (such as Marc Rich).

    Their machinations made them wealthy, but impoverished much of the population of Russia. The life expectancy dropped and the currency even collapsed. Much of the Russian government was owned by the oligarchs, so there really wasn’t any effective regulation of them. President Boris Yeltsin was such a raging alcoholic that he was too ill to even do his job.

    Putin succeeded Yeltsin. As the new premier, he locked up a lot of the oligarchs and stabilized the national economy. That made him popular within his country, but very alarming to America’s rulers and Jewish neocons. They’ve used their media influence to demonize Putin to an extreme extent. They’ve also created an alliance with the Deep-State military-industrial complex, which feels it’d benefit economically from a new Cold War.

    If Putin had agreed to be a puppet of the Russian-Jewish oligarchs, he’d have received favorable media coverage like Boris Yeltsin did.

    Americans have remarkably little influence in Washington DC these days. Globalist oligarchs, Deep State schemers, and Jewish neocons run our country. Anti-Russian animosity has nothing to do with how the average Joe feels.

  70. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Outside of Poland, hating Russia is mostly an Anglo-Saxon value, not Western."

    I don't think the average UK citizen thinks much about Russia at all. But our press, politicians and the BBC are trying their best to induce hate in them. Intelligent Remain voters warn me of the increased Russian threat now that we've voted out - and they're sincere.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    There are a lot of wealthy Russian-Jewish oligarchs in the UK these days. They’re behind the anti-Russian posturing. Also, the UK establishment (especially Tony Blair) is very friendly to America’s oligarch/Deep State/neocon over class.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @JohnnyWalker123

    We are bombarded by anti Russian propaganda, however the media-political class are still largely the only adherents.

  71. @Ron Unz
    Yes, a remarkably abtuse essay by a supposedly well-informed thinker.

    One odd thing I've remarked on recently is that it looks like almost 100% of all the "mainstream" writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Hillary Clinton over Trump. But almost 100% of the "alternative" writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton. The same seems true for Brexit.

    Perhaps Traub and his friends should spend a little more time reading the alternative media, perhaps even this small webzine, to gain a better understanding of what's happening, which sorely seemed to be lacking in his analysis. Someone upthread noted how much it sounded like the Bourbons in 1789...

    Replies: @NOTA, @JohnnyWalker123, @Bill

    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.

    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won? Usually, the far right has unexpected respect for the far left, but the far left does not much return the favor. If this is changing, where can I go to see it? Other than unz.com, I mean.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Bill



    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won?
     
    Well, I'll admit I was just being casually anecdotal rather than rigorous. It's just that I regularly run five or six Leftist columnists, and all of them seem to clearly Favor Trump over Clinton. That made me curious, so I looked around at the leftist Counterpunch website, and the articles there seem to support Trump over Clinton. I also noticed that prominent leftist academic Stephen Cohen (whose wife is the publisher of The Nation) seemed to favor Trump over Clinton. So I dropped a query to the Counterpunch editors, and they also support Trump over Clinton and seemed to think that most of their friends felt the same way. Basically, in the sample I examined, I couldn't find one Clinton supporter.

    My guess is that the position partly depends upon how "alternative" the leftists are, and that these days Mother Jones might be more mainstream-left than alt-left.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous, @Bill

    , @Nico
    @Bill

    Mother Jones is hardly an "alternative" magazine, whatever its pretensions to the contrary. The best that can be said for it is that it is "controlled opposition." Dissent is tolerated from the left wing - by which I mean criticisms of capitalism, Hollywood institutional "racism," large banks and the corporate aspects of globalism and the E.U. will never cost you your job, while criticisms of the LGBT lobby, of unchecked immigration, of the offshoring of manufacturing jobs (principally held formerly by white working classes) and of denial about NAM crime differentials almost certainly will. There is a reason why not: fundamentally its outlook on life and the world is not much different from the official outlook of the intelligentsia, the only difference being that the "alt"-left is slightly less hypocritical. You are correct to castigate the far right from romantically indulging fantasies of far left good intentions, which are for all practical intents and purposes nonexistent. They are not natural allies and it is pointless attempting to engage in dialogue with the great majority of them.

    That being said, if one accepts the aforementioned definition of "alternative" media to exclude "controlled opposition," Unz would certainly be right - and indeed, given my summary dismissal of Marxism almost tautologically so - that nearly 100% of "alternative" media is pro-Trump and anti-Clinton.

  72. Finally! An honest, open declaration of utter contempt for the Rest of Us.

    For the past few decades, our powers-that-be have been busy reversing democracy – and electing a new people – all over the West. So Mr. Traub’s modest proposal is no shocker.

    And at least he puts it out in the open: We peasants should step aside and let the Smart People run things for a change.

    But…

    The Smart People have been in charge all along. Civil Rights? If it’s a failure it’s failure of liberal policy, since that’s what’s guided the issue for at least the half century since passage of ’60s civil rights acts. Foreign policy? Don’t blame Iraq, and Libya, and Syria, and Ukraine, and Europe’s camp-of-the-saints invasion, and all the rest on us po’ li’l wage earners – you geniuses came up with that shit. And you rebooted torture and dungeons as key law-enforcement tools.

    Brilliant! Gee. Thanks!

    The financial meltdown? You loaned money to people you knew would be driven to foreclosure as soon as your magnificent adjustable interest rates shot their monthlies through the roof. After all, you could then slap on a coat of paint and sell that vacated shack for a few hundred thousand more on the price tag. AND you get every dime from the suckers you swindled with the previous sale. Win-win.

    Very smart. But you can’t really hang the resulting, bubble-bust recession on us subsistence-level gleaners of the field. …Now can you?

    But your outstanding gift ot us has been globalization. Oops! I meant gift to YOU. Anyone out of the six-figure salary sweepstakes must accept new paradigm that less, and less, and less, and less is more.

    …Just not ‘more’ for us. The ‘more’ we get comes in form of debt and unemployment.

    Peachy!!!!

    What do you have in mind, Mr. Traub? What do you and the rest of the crooked, conniving, repellently creepy Einsteins have planned now?

    An aristocracy? I’ll see that and raise you a guillotine.

  73. @Numinous
    @Amasius

    How does Brexit "protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists"?

    Replies: @bomag, @Wilkey, @Amasius, @Anonymous

    True that much of Britain’s problem with brown immigration is the result of its own laws, and has nothing to do with the EU. British voters were never given a chance to vote directly on those, were they?

    One of the big Brexit brouhahas centered on a Leave poster showing a mob of brown immigrants headed for Britain. It was decried as “Nazi” and “racist” despite the fact that all it was telling voters is exactly what’s been happening for the last year thanks to Mama Merkel and the EU.

  74. I notice James Traub, son of immense wealth, doesn’t tell us how globalization is helping our best ally in the Middle East. Can we please have an update on immigrations benefits in Tel Aviv and Haifa? How about the “no” wall vote over there, how’s that doing? Of course the CFR wouldn’t want to bring up “immigra…” and “wall” in any report from a land that is so supportive of multiculturalism.

  75. @Numinous
    @Amasius

    How does Brexit "protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists"?

    Replies: @bomag, @Wilkey, @Amasius, @Anonymous

    They’re doing the best they can to fight back. Maybe they can stop the bleeding– at least prevent Merkel’s taharrush hordes from getting in and adding to the horror. They can’t do much, with their “hate speech” laws that get them thrown in jail if they speak up. Yes, eventually all the moslems have to go if they want to preserve their civilization. Brexit is a start, even if it’s mostly symbolic.

  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous Nephew

    There are a lot of wealthy Russian-Jewish oligarchs in the UK these days. They're behind the anti-Russian posturing. Also, the UK establishment (especially Tony Blair) is very friendly to America's oligarch/Deep State/neocon over class.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    We are bombarded by anti Russian propaganda, however the media-political class are still largely the only adherents.

  77. @NOTA
    @Ron Unz

    There is a ruling class consensus--cheap labor, open borders, massive surveillance, affirmative action, endless deficit spending, constant invasions and bombings of third world countries, deferential treatment of big banks, etc. And the thing is, that consensus is working out really well for the people at the top. Sure, some losers on the bottom (or even in the middle) are getting screwed over, but the folks at the top don't know any of those people and never will. From their perspective, the ruling class consensus has overwhelmingly good consequences, and so campaigning against it seems nuts.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    But, there is always a tipping point. Uncontrollable, growing negative developments, contribute to the increasing unease of the ruling class…who are still mortals, btw. May they sit in their summer homes and quiver with anxiety.

    I heard that the Netherlands are thinking: “I wanna be a free-agent like England.” I think this is why Merkel does not want all the EU member reps to badmouth England. In fact, wasn’t there an order to “zip it?” I knew that condescending to the masses (in USA & EU countries) and calling people racists was going to backfire. I sensed this years ago. It’s always been: “it’s the economy, stupid.” And, there is no difference between Left & Right.

    OT: Ironic that the Euro Soccer Championships in Paris had a ton of nationalistic fervor going on at various games; and some fights between fans during this Brexit affair!

  78. Lemme see hear now Mister Traub. I’ze finly red yer paper and sussed the big werds. I’m a mindlessly angry, fist-shaking, deluded reality denier. Thanks you Mr. Bigcheese for feeling my pain,,,just like Big Dog Clinton did.

  79. @Cattle Guard
    @countenance

    Ha. I've posted this "speak power to truth" bumper sticker as a comment sometime last year, but it's more current than ever: http://drboli.com/2015/03/31/bumper-sticker-3/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  80. @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Parbes

    First it's common sense. Its damn Russia, read some history. Also Polish military doesn't simulate during its exercises tactical nuclear attack on Moscow. For some reason Soviet... err I mean Russian Federation military does.

    Second to hate you need two sides. Ask yourselves why Russians hate us?

    Third to end this hatefest you need only VladimirPutin to call his media director and tell him: from now on we love Poles.

    BTW I wouldn't call this hate. There is strong dislike for Russia in Poland that alt-right westerners that for some reason are in love in their vision of Russia like to call hate. Maybe when present Russian imperialistic cycle will come to an end there will be place for some diplomacy and business.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Poland’s Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election. Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Steve Sailer


    Poland’s Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election.
     
    It is loosely Trump-like in some ways but - it's led by political professionals, not a rich amateur, it's genuinely religious, and also very anti-Russian, more so than the "Romney-like" party it defeated, which is the opposite of Trump vs. mainstream Republicans.

    Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.
     
    Poland is an excellent model for conservatives, who for some reason idolize its rival Russia instead. In some respects, however, Russia is more like America - it is more diverse, for example, whereas Poland is about 98% European, 96.5% Polish. I suspect most folks here wouldn't like Putin's approach to diversity, though.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Steve Sailer

    As your colleague, Anatoly Karlin, has pointed out, Poland has only been kept buoyant by massive subsidies from the EU, that is the large EU net contributors like the Germany and the UK. Between 2010 and 2014 alone, Poland received 57 billion euros in net subsidy.
    Some model for Americans !
    As President Putin said after the referendum, " People don't like to feed weak economies. "

    Replies: @szopen

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes that was interesting article.

    There is a observation made by some Polish blogger or conservative journalists that supplements your article. I forgot the name of this guy, but remember his thesis: Poland is in vanguard of European politics since around Smolensk catastrophe in which Poland lost his conservative president and a lot of conservative elite. After that pro-globalists right represented by Civic Platform won the elections and traditional conservatives, cut from public media and incessantly attacked had to develop their own media. Which they did: newspapers, TV stations, web portals, lectures, etc. They developed a kind of parallel society, funded by “losers” of post-communists transformation, impervious to critic and a bit cultish. And it was a key element in 2015 electoral victory of Law and Justice.

    Now similar thing is happening in Western Europe, and the flash point was New Year’s Muslim rapefest and media coverage of it. If the media are lying we need our own. Immigration is Western Europe’s Smolensk.

    To check if this is true I would be looking for creation of small, closed, ideologically driven media corporations that are impervious to outside pressures (advertising agencies for example) because they are funded by people that feel they are living in a state of war - us vs. them. They will be more extensive than just internet sites, they will include classical newspapers, radio and TV stations. They will be affiliated with new political movements, especially anti-EU and anti-immigration.

  81. The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them about the dangers of immigration…

    All the cities are or are heading towards being minority native – in the space of only 16 years.

  82. Jack Hanson says:
    @Kylie
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "Thought this was going to be satire (this is Foreign Policy not National Review after all). I misunderestimated."

    With all due respect, they count on that. They count on what they see as our lesser intelligence. Even worse, they count on our greater benevolence.

    It's no longer the case that "nice guys finish last". It's now the case that "nice guys are finished".

    We need to start making the connection between "irreconcilable differences" and "by any means necessary". They have and they're already acting on it.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Agreed. This is Steve’s biggest failing in that (barring the occasional bout of snark) he thinks that these people can be reasoned with vs. deserving to stand in front of a Committee of Safety.

    He’d be stuffed in a camp so fast if they had their way but he thinks its because of (insert tangled logical pathway here) that they don’t REALLY want that.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Nico
    @Jack Hanson

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter's insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." At a certain point blindness is however willful, and at that point the maxim Ignorantia juris non excusat has to apply.

    There is no point in seeking the approval or at least the ear of people who admire NARAL, the SPLC, the New York Times, the Atlantic, TNC or any number of other shills for the intelligentsia. It is past time we felt guilty for facing them off on the battle lines they themselves have drawn instead of attempting diplomatic missions on their turf. That is why Coulter's promise to tell us "how to talk to a liberal (if you must)" is instructive in itself, without any further elucidation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    , @Kylie
    @Jack Hanson

    Totally agree.

    Like most people who police themselves, Steve apparently has trouble imagining the mindset of those who feel no need or obligation to do the same. He seems to believe that at some point, the left will finally realize it has gone too far at which time it will be open to reason.

    That will never happen. The left will not stop. It will have to be stopped.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  83. @Jack Hanson
    @Kylie

    Agreed. This is Steve's biggest failing in that (barring the occasional bout of snark) he thinks that these people can be reasoned with vs. deserving to stand in front of a Committee of Safety.

    He'd be stuffed in a camp so fast if they had their way but he thinks its because of (insert tangled logical pathway here) that they don't REALLY want that.

    Replies: @Nico, @Kylie

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter’s insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.” At a certain point blindness is however willful, and at that point the maxim Ignorantia juris non excusat has to apply.

    There is no point in seeking the approval or at least the ear of people who admire NARAL, the SPLC, the New York Times, the Atlantic, TNC or any number of other shills for the intelligentsia. It is past time we felt guilty for facing them off on the battle lines they themselves have drawn instead of attempting diplomatic missions on their turf. That is why Coulter’s promise to tell us “how to talk to a liberal (if you must)” is instructive in itself, without any further elucidation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nico

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter’s insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.” At a certain point blindness is however willful, and at that point the maxim Ignorantia juris non excusat has to apply.

    Manny Celler and Jacob Javits weren't stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing: dilute, blend out Northern Europeans in order to both (a) reduce their romantic allure to young jewish girls and boys, and (b) prevent their ever acting as a collective.

    , @ben tillman
    @Nico


    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter’s insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
     
    That's a response, not a refutation.
  84. Getting out of the EU, which is the military wing of Nato, will prevent total disaster. The EU’s search for ultimate security is driving it East, where sooner or later the the Russian leadership will decide using military force is the only answer.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

    The above has been condemned as a hoax of gullible nationalist I don’t know if that is true, but there certainly seem to be more than figures suggest. Moreover, you cannot tell people about their felt perception of their own town where they live. The East Europeans are everywhere, you encounter them in any construction crew and every hotel. i would not be surprised if Trump’s staff at Turnberry are all East European. The wives and children are on every main street. They are edging out the British working class and being used to hold down wages in the already not very high wage service, construction and agriculture jobs of deindustrialised Britain (it really has been deindustrialised). There were more by the day, and no end in sight

    https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/where-the-uk-leave-vote-is-coming-from/
    I disagree with the above link, the Moslem or Turkish angle was not significant. The English Scots Irish and Welsh are not consciously angry about Muslims, that may be cognitive dissonance, with the real motive being simple fear of the personal costs (if Trump made his remarks on Muslims in the UK he would be arrested). The correlation with east Europeans concentrations in the leave success areas referendum make it pretty obvious that East Europeans made the lower orders of the regions think a change in immigration policy was necessary. The anti racism machinery was not working to effectively to keep everyone quiet about white Christian immigrants but is is zeroing in now (https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/more-post-brexit-racism/). I have given a few links to posts by philosopher Graham Harman here is him on Bruno Latour and politics.

    Power Politics also comes in both Left and Right flavors, though it is perhaps more common on the Right. For Hobbes, nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan. To appeal to a religious truth beyond the edicts of the State, or even to a scientific truth beyond such edicts, is to risk a bloody civil war of all against all. Transcendence is therefore forbidden. In the case of Schmitt, politics begins only in the sovereign’s decision that it is no longer possible to reason with one’s enemy, so that an existential struggle commences. We see Left versions of this Power Politics in various postmodern theories that dispense with the category of truth altogether. […]

    A Schmittian approach might shed greater light on the predicament, concluding grimly but clearly that there is no solution other than for each nation to view the others as the “enemy,” and to resolve on a struggle to preserve their way of life. We would then seem to find ourselves on the side of the Power Politics with which Latour is more naturally comfortable. But then again, Might does not entirely make Right. As Strauss properly noted in his critique of Schmitt, and as Socrates noted long ago in his response to Thrasymachus in Plato’s Republic, the distinction between friend and enemy is subordinate to knowledge of the good, since one should hope to defeat true enemies rather than merely apparent ones.

    He goes into the debate between technocrat Walter Lippmann and John Dewey, here is a quote from the latter:-

    The new public which is generated remains long inchoate, unorganized, because it cannot use inherited political agencies The latter, if elaborate and well institutionalized, obstruct the organisation of the new public. […]

    To form itself, the public has to break existing political forms. This is hard to do because these forms are themselves the regular means of instituting change. The public which generates political forms is passing away, but the power and lust of possession remains in the hands of the officers and agencies which the dying public instituted. This is why the change of the form of states is so often effected only by revolution (The Public and Its Problems: An Essay in Political Inquiry By John Dewey, Melvin L. Rogers)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sean

    About 80% of Britain's economy is services, which basically means that if you're not working as a City banker, you're working as a "builder" i.e. construction or working retail. Or you're on the dole. Also, more than 60% of Britons live within 20 miles of where they lived age 14:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/14ee0dd6-39e8-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f.html

    So a not very diversified economy coupled with low geographic mobility make economic pressures on construction and retail more acute.

    , @Anonymous
    @Sean

    Hobbes's metaphysics and science are no longer taught, unlike his politics, but he was an extreme materialist, even by modern standards. For Hobbes, everything is material - not just mind but even God. Transcendence isn't forbidden. It's not that nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan - nothing can transcend the Leviathan. According to Hobbesian metaphysics, everything is body.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Sean

    How queer, as Mr Arthur Atkinson might say.
    Mr Sean, I frankly suspect you of Englishry, or at the very least a passing acquaintance with the benighted denizens of that gloomy realm. How unlike the home life of our own dear Queen, or indeed the usual internet commenter. Although you didn't half use a lot of long bollocky foreign words to say it, but you are right on the money, as we say. I am impressed by your dispassionate analysis. It's not often I recognise an actual connoisseur of our creepy offshore culture, as distinct from the projectors of exotic phantasms and personal demons thereon. Well done, sir. The rest of you, take note.

    The missus had a job years back, writing up The Trumpenmeister's Turnberry revival of the old railway age hotel and grounds there, for brochures. I previously spent some considerable time as a cold war forces' child in the near vicinity (still have a "Golden Bear" RBS fiver in my wallet as a universal passport to the illiterate, if Abroad). As far as I could determine, all the staff were at that time Jock Tamson's bairns from roundabout, even as far as Carsphairn, Moniave and Drongan, doing the necessary on the maintenance and feeding front. To be honest, the climate, and the sport itself in fact requires webbed, excessively multi-phalanged feet and a hopeless fatalistic disposition not often found in incomers, nor even in islanders not bred to it.

    If you seek a decent, joyful, civilised and comradely pastime, well, Ailsa Craig, and its once-famous curling stone quarries are seen to advantage from the broomy sloughs of the Donald's course. I could knock you up a brush or two, for a price.

    , @random observer
    @Sean

    The EU is not the "military wing of NATO".

    NATO is the military alliance, and it isn't even the military wing of the EU, at least not yet, so long as the US brings almost all the military power and still largely dictates its operations.

    Replies: @Sean

  85. @jill
    @Luke Lea

    James Goldsmith warned America of the consequences of GATT (WTO, NAFTA, etc.) in this interview back in 1995 ( Goldsmith is also author of the book “the Trap ” which also includes his warnings )
    The interview is in 5 parts…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0dBI

    Goldsmith also pleaded with the U.S. Senate…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maouTP8vTO0&index=1&list=PL7C94ADEE167CBB80

    CORPORATE PROFITS AFTER TAXES ARE NOW APPROACHING 2 TRILLION…
    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CP/

    Replies: @Lagertha

    I just read the entire inverview. Sheesh! Now I feel even more sad. It was fun when Goldsmith verbally slapped that stooge of an economist…man, was she a world-class jerk. He was incredibly courteous while I would have throttled her!

  86. AP says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Poland's Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election. Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.

    Replies: @AP, @Verymuchalive, @Bies Podkrakowski

    Poland’s Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election.

    It is loosely Trump-like in some ways but – it’s led by political professionals, not a rich amateur, it’s genuinely religious, and also very anti-Russian, more so than the “Romney-like” party it defeated, which is the opposite of Trump vs. mainstream Republicans.

    Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.

    Poland is an excellent model for conservatives, who for some reason idolize its rival Russia instead. In some respects, however, Russia is more like America – it is more diverse, for example, whereas Poland is about 98% European, 96.5% Polish. I suspect most folks here wouldn’t like Putin’s approach to diversity, though.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @AP

    "I suspect most folks here wouldn’t like Putin’s approach to diversity, though."

    Putin's relationship with Ramzan Kadyrov is like if Trump paid Don King $10 billion per year, no questions asked, so long as black criminals stayed in their own parts of town.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AP

  87. @AP
    @Steve Sailer


    Poland’s Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election.
     
    It is loosely Trump-like in some ways but - it's led by political professionals, not a rich amateur, it's genuinely religious, and also very anti-Russian, more so than the "Romney-like" party it defeated, which is the opposite of Trump vs. mainstream Republicans.

    Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.
     
    Poland is an excellent model for conservatives, who for some reason idolize its rival Russia instead. In some respects, however, Russia is more like America - it is more diverse, for example, whereas Poland is about 98% European, 96.5% Polish. I suspect most folks here wouldn't like Putin's approach to diversity, though.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “I suspect most folks here wouldn’t like Putin’s approach to diversity, though.”

    Putin’s relationship with Ramzan Kadyrov is like if Trump paid Don King $10 billion per year, no questions asked, so long as black criminals stayed in their own parts of town.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2016/06/martin-heidegger-on-muhammad-ali.html


    Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes last night gushed over the late boxer as a "transcendent" specimen of humanity. Her over-the-top performance put me in mind of what I call the 'Pincers Passage' in Heidegger's 1935 lecture, Introduction to Metaphysics (tr. Ralph Manheim, Doubleday 1961, p. 31, emphasis added.

    "This Europe, in its ruinous blindness forever on the point of cutting its own throat, lies today in a great pincers, squeezed between Russia on the one side and America on the other. From a metaphysical point of view, Russia and America are the same; the same dreary technological frenzy, the same unrestricted organization of the average man. At a time when the farthermost corner of the globe has been conquered by technology and opened to economic exploitation; when any incident whatever, regardless of where or when it occurs, can be communicated to the rest of the world at any desired speed; when the assassination of a king in France and a symphony concert in Tokyo can be 'experienced' simultaneously, and time as history has vanished from the lives of all peoples; when a boxer is regarded as a nation's great man; when mass meetings attended by millions are looked on as a triumph -- then, yes then, through all this turmoil a question still haunts us like a specter: What for? -- Whither? -- And what then?"
     
    , @AP
    @Steve Sailer

    But Chechens don't stay in their own parts of town in Putin's Russia. They are all over the place, and given a free pass to commit crime in many circumstances, as long as they don't go against the government.

    Putin's relationship with Ramzan Kadyrov would be like if Trump paid the Black Panthers/Crips/Farrakhan* $10 billion dollars, gave them total control over their ethnic areas (city of Detroit, south Chicago, Harlem, etc.), allowed their people to stay out of jail if they commit crimes even outside those areas, so long as they didn't go against Trump's government in any way and indeed use their "muscle" to go after Trump's political enemies at home and abroad.

    There's a reason why many Russian ethnic nationalists don't like Putin.

    * I suppose an even more exact analogy would be cutting a similar deal with some Mexican boss: give him SoCal and Arizona, and allow Mexican criminals to get away with crimes across the USA, as long as the gangs crush any separatist sentiment in SoCal, kill Trump's political enemies, and serve as unofficial soldiers abroad.

  88. @Steve Sailer
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Poland's Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election. Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.

    Replies: @AP, @Verymuchalive, @Bies Podkrakowski

    As your colleague, Anatoly Karlin, has pointed out, Poland has only been kept buoyant by massive subsidies from the EU, that is the large EU net contributors like the Germany and the UK. Between 2010 and 2014 alone, Poland received 57 billion euros in net subsidy.
    Some model for Americans !
    As President Putin said after the referendum, ” People don’t like to feed weak economies. ”

    • Replies: @szopen
    @Verymuchalive

    You say 57bln euros over 4 years, ie 14bln/year. Just for the comparison, Polish GDP in 2014 was 413 bln euro, export was 220 bln USD. Subsidies amounted to 3% of Polish GDP - large, but I wouldn't say "massive".

    For another comparison, east Germany received about 1.3 trillion euros over 20 years, that is ~ 65bln/a year. East Germany's population was 18 millions compared to Polish 36/38 millions (now 12.5 millions). That means East Germany received more than four times larger subsidies, or ten to twelve times higher per capita.

  89. @Bill
    @Ron Unz


    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won? Usually, the far right has unexpected respect for the far left, but the far left does not much return the favor. If this is changing, where can I go to see it? Other than unz.com, I mean.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Nico

    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.

    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won?

    Well, I’ll admit I was just being casually anecdotal rather than rigorous. It’s just that I regularly run five or six Leftist columnists, and all of them seem to clearly Favor Trump over Clinton. That made me curious, so I looked around at the leftist Counterpunch website, and the articles there seem to support Trump over Clinton. I also noticed that prominent leftist academic Stephen Cohen (whose wife is the publisher of The Nation) seemed to favor Trump over Clinton. So I dropped a query to the Counterpunch editors, and they also support Trump over Clinton and seemed to think that most of their friends felt the same way. Basically, in the sample I examined, I couldn’t find one Clinton supporter.

    My guess is that the position partly depends upon how “alternative” the leftists are, and that these days Mother Jones might be more mainstream-left than alt-left.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Ron Unz

    I happened the other day to go over to Kevin Drum's blog at Mother Jones, and criticized his description of the Brexit vote:


    But at its core, it's the last stand of old people who have been frightened to death by cynical right-wing media empires and the demagogues who enable them—all of whom have based their appeals on racism as overt as anything we've seen in decades. It's loathsome beyond belief, and not something I thought I'd ever see in my lifetime. But that's where we are.
     
    I was nothing but civil, but for my efforts I was banned from their site.

    I guess they won't tolerate comments from the Hitlersphere.

    , @Anonymous
    @Ron Unz

    Hey Ron, the MSM is giving Boston radio show host Howie Carr crap for doing an Elizabeth Warren American Indian whoop call at a Trump rally today: https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/748251607247163392.
    Yet your opponent in the CA Senate race had this insulting American Indian battle cry joke: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vNMJBEQCXI

    , @Bill
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the answer. That's certainly heartening to hear.

  90. @Jack Hanson
    @Kylie

    Agreed. This is Steve's biggest failing in that (barring the occasional bout of snark) he thinks that these people can be reasoned with vs. deserving to stand in front of a Committee of Safety.

    He'd be stuffed in a camp so fast if they had their way but he thinks its because of (insert tangled logical pathway here) that they don't REALLY want that.

    Replies: @Nico, @Kylie

    Totally agree.

    Like most people who police themselves, Steve apparently has trouble imagining the mindset of those who feel no need or obligation to do the same. He seems to believe that at some point, the left will finally realize it has gone too far at which time it will be open to reason.

    That will never happen. The left will not stop. It will have to be stopped.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Kylie

    Much like Steve's vaunted logic regarding the double secret probation why liberals want to take guns, Steve can't imagine that someone wants to take the guns away to throw badthinkers into a camp.

    Even with the very real example of the UK, he persists in this. As I said to Nico, the refusal to label evil as what it is comes across as someone burying their head in the sand.

    Replies: @BB753

  91. @Bill
    @Ron Unz


    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won? Usually, the far right has unexpected respect for the far left, but the far left does not much return the favor. If this is changing, where can I go to see it? Other than unz.com, I mean.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Nico

    Mother Jones is hardly an “alternative” magazine, whatever its pretensions to the contrary. The best that can be said for it is that it is “controlled opposition.” Dissent is tolerated from the left wing – by which I mean criticisms of capitalism, Hollywood institutional “racism,” large banks and the corporate aspects of globalism and the E.U. will never cost you your job, while criticisms of the LGBT lobby, of unchecked immigration, of the offshoring of manufacturing jobs (principally held formerly by white working classes) and of denial about NAM crime differentials almost certainly will. There is a reason why not: fundamentally its outlook on life and the world is not much different from the official outlook of the intelligentsia, the only difference being that the “alt”-left is slightly less hypocritical. You are correct to castigate the far right from romantically indulging fantasies of far left good intentions, which are for all practical intents and purposes nonexistent. They are not natural allies and it is pointless attempting to engage in dialogue with the great majority of them.

    That being said, if one accepts the aforementioned definition of “alternative” media to exclude “controlled opposition,” Unz would certainly be right – and indeed, given my summary dismissal of Marxism almost tautologically so – that nearly 100% of “alternative” media is pro-Trump and anti-Clinton.

  92. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Getting out of the EU, which is the military wing of Nato, will prevent total disaster. The EU’s search for ultimate security is driving it East, where sooner or later the the Russian leadership will decide using military force is the only answer.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

    The above has been condemned as a hoax of gullible nationalist I don’t know if that is true, but there certainly seem to be more than figures suggest. Moreover, you cannot tell people about their felt perception of their own town where they live. The East Europeans are everywhere, you encounter them in any construction crew and every hotel. i would not be surprised if Trump's staff at Turnberry are all East European. The wives and children are on every main street. They are edging out the British working class and being used to hold down wages in the already not very high wage service, construction and agriculture jobs of deindustrialised Britain (it really has been deindustrialised). There were more by the day, and no end in sight

    https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/where-the-uk-leave-vote-is-coming-from/
    I disagree with the above link, the Moslem or Turkish angle was not significant. The English Scots Irish and Welsh are not consciously angry about Muslims, that may be cognitive dissonance, with the real motive being simple fear of the personal costs (if Trump made his remarks on Muslims in the UK he would be arrested). The correlation with east Europeans concentrations in the leave success areas referendum make it pretty obvious that East Europeans made the lower orders of the regions think a change in immigration policy was necessary. The anti racism machinery was not working to effectively to keep everyone quiet about white Christian immigrants but is is zeroing in now (https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/more-post-brexit-racism/). I have given a few links to posts by philosopher Graham Harman here is him on Bruno Latour and politics.


    Power Politics also comes in both Left and Right flavors, though it is perhaps more common on the Right. For Hobbes, nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan. To appeal to a religious truth beyond the edicts of the State, or even to a scientific truth beyond such edicts, is to risk a bloody civil war of all against all. Transcendence is therefore forbidden. In the case of Schmitt, politics begins only in the sovereign’s decision that it is no longer possible to reason with one’s enemy, so that an existential struggle commences. We see Left versions of this Power Politics in various postmodern theories that dispense with the category of truth altogether. [...]

    A Schmittian approach might shed greater light on the predicament, concluding grimly but clearly that there is no solution other than for each nation to view the others as the “enemy,” and to resolve on a struggle to preserve their way of life. We would then seem to find ourselves on the side of the Power Politics with which Latour is more naturally comfortable. But then again, Might does not entirely make Right. As Strauss properly noted in his critique of Schmitt, and as Socrates noted long ago in his response to Thrasymachus in Plato’s Republic, the distinction between friend and enemy is subordinate to knowledge of the good, since one should hope to defeat true enemies rather than merely apparent ones.

     

    He goes into the debate between technocrat Walter Lippmann and John Dewey, here is a quote from the latter:-

    The new public which is generated remains long inchoate, unorganized, because it cannot use inherited political agencies The latter, if elaborate and well institutionalized, obstruct the organisation of the new public. [...]

    To form itself, the public has to break existing political forms. This is hard to do because these forms are themselves the regular means of instituting change. The public which generates political forms is passing away, but the power and lust of possession remains in the hands of the officers and agencies which the dying public instituted. This is why the change of the form of states is so often effected only by revolution (The Public and Its Problems: An Essay in Political Inquiry By John Dewey, Melvin L. Rogers)
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @random observer

    About 80% of Britain’s economy is services, which basically means that if you’re not working as a City banker, you’re working as a “builder” i.e. construction or working retail. Or you’re on the dole. Also, more than 60% of Britons live within 20 miles of where they lived age 14:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/14ee0dd6-39e8-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f.html

    So a not very diversified economy coupled with low geographic mobility make economic pressures on construction and retail more acute.

  93. @Ron Unz
    @Bill



    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won?
     
    Well, I'll admit I was just being casually anecdotal rather than rigorous. It's just that I regularly run five or six Leftist columnists, and all of them seem to clearly Favor Trump over Clinton. That made me curious, so I looked around at the leftist Counterpunch website, and the articles there seem to support Trump over Clinton. I also noticed that prominent leftist academic Stephen Cohen (whose wife is the publisher of The Nation) seemed to favor Trump over Clinton. So I dropped a query to the Counterpunch editors, and they also support Trump over Clinton and seemed to think that most of their friends felt the same way. Basically, in the sample I examined, I couldn't find one Clinton supporter.

    My guess is that the position partly depends upon how "alternative" the leftists are, and that these days Mother Jones might be more mainstream-left than alt-left.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous, @Bill

    I happened the other day to go over to Kevin Drum’s blog at Mother Jones, and criticized his description of the Brexit vote:

    But at its core, it’s the last stand of old people who have been frightened to death by cynical right-wing media empires and the demagogues who enable them—all of whom have based their appeals on racism as overt as anything we’ve seen in decades. It’s loathsome beyond belief, and not something I thought I’d ever see in my lifetime. But that’s where we are.

    I was nothing but civil, but for my efforts I was banned from their site.

    I guess they won’t tolerate comments from the Hitlersphere.

  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @AP

    "I suspect most folks here wouldn’t like Putin’s approach to diversity, though."

    Putin's relationship with Ramzan Kadyrov is like if Trump paid Don King $10 billion per year, no questions asked, so long as black criminals stayed in their own parts of town.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AP

    http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2016/06/martin-heidegger-on-muhammad-ali.html

    Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes last night gushed over the late boxer as a “transcendent” specimen of humanity. Her over-the-top performance put me in mind of what I call the ‘Pincers Passage’ in Heidegger’s 1935 lecture, Introduction to Metaphysics (tr. Ralph Manheim, Doubleday 1961, p. 31, emphasis added.

    “This Europe, in its ruinous blindness forever on the point of cutting its own throat, lies today in a great pincers, squeezed between Russia on the one side and America on the other. From a metaphysical point of view, Russia and America are the same; the same dreary technological frenzy, the same unrestricted organization of the average man. At a time when the farthermost corner of the globe has been conquered by technology and opened to economic exploitation; when any incident whatever, regardless of where or when it occurs, can be communicated to the rest of the world at any desired speed; when the assassination of a king in France and a symphony concert in Tokyo can be ‘experienced’ simultaneously, and time as history has vanished from the lives of all peoples; when a boxer is regarded as a nation’s great man; when mass meetings attended by millions are looked on as a triumph — then, yes then, through all this turmoil a question still haunts us like a specter: What for? — Whither? — And what then?”

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Nico
    @Jack Hanson

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter's insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." At a certain point blindness is however willful, and at that point the maxim Ignorantia juris non excusat has to apply.

    There is no point in seeking the approval or at least the ear of people who admire NARAL, the SPLC, the New York Times, the Atlantic, TNC or any number of other shills for the intelligentsia. It is past time we felt guilty for facing them off on the battle lines they themselves have drawn instead of attempting diplomatic missions on their turf. That is why Coulter's promise to tell us "how to talk to a liberal (if you must)" is instructive in itself, without any further elucidation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter’s insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.” At a certain point blindness is however willful, and at that point the maxim Ignorantia juris non excusat has to apply.

    Manny Celler and Jacob Javits weren’t stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing: dilute, blend out Northern Europeans in order to both (a) reduce their romantic allure to young jewish girls and boys, and (b) prevent their ever acting as a collective.

  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ron Unz

    Here's an interesting article about how Hollywood is overwhelmingly supporting Hillary Clinton. She has raised 12 times the amount of Hollywood money as Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/step-aside-bernie-sanders-hollywood-rainmakers-are-ready-for-hillary-clinton.html

    That's interesting because you'd expect supposedly "liberal" Hollywood to be more supportive of the more leftist candidate. I'd also expect that with Sanders being Jewish, there'd be some amount of ethnic pride around having the first Jewish-American president.

    So why is Hollywood supporting Hllary over Bernie?

    I think the answer is because Clinton is favored by all the powerful factions within our country's establishment. She has the support of the globalist oligarchs, the "Deep State", and the neocons. Since Hollywood is linked in with the establishment, they favor Hillary.

    Steve Sailer has often said that the media/pundit class are essentially apart of what he called the "Shallow State." Perhaps some of the more elite-level Hollywood celebs/execs could be thought of as being apart of this group. When they were instructed by the oligarch/Deep State/neocon string pullers to support Hillary, they complied. When the elites of Hollywood got behind Hillary, the lower level Hollywood celebs/execs figured they better conform to the views of the Hollywood top dogs(or their career prospects might suffer).

    In America today, the most important division is not between liberals and conservatives. It's the division between the globalists and the populist-nationalists. Both Bernie and the Donald are the wrong side of this, so they get the cold shoulder from the establishment.

    Anyway, those were some of my thoughts. I definitely think it's interesting how Hollywood lined up behind Hillary instead of Bernie.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Johnny, You are looking for too deep of a meaning. The Clintons welcomed the Hollywood elites with open arms, lavish dinners, photo ops and a night spent in the Lincoln bedroom. A chance to hobnob with “royalty.” I think most Hollywood stars are shallow people.

  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Getting out of the EU, which is the military wing of Nato, will prevent total disaster. The EU’s search for ultimate security is driving it East, where sooner or later the the Russian leadership will decide using military force is the only answer.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

    The above has been condemned as a hoax of gullible nationalist I don’t know if that is true, but there certainly seem to be more than figures suggest. Moreover, you cannot tell people about their felt perception of their own town where they live. The East Europeans are everywhere, you encounter them in any construction crew and every hotel. i would not be surprised if Trump's staff at Turnberry are all East European. The wives and children are on every main street. They are edging out the British working class and being used to hold down wages in the already not very high wage service, construction and agriculture jobs of deindustrialised Britain (it really has been deindustrialised). There were more by the day, and no end in sight

    https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/where-the-uk-leave-vote-is-coming-from/
    I disagree with the above link, the Moslem or Turkish angle was not significant. The English Scots Irish and Welsh are not consciously angry about Muslims, that may be cognitive dissonance, with the real motive being simple fear of the personal costs (if Trump made his remarks on Muslims in the UK he would be arrested). The correlation with east Europeans concentrations in the leave success areas referendum make it pretty obvious that East Europeans made the lower orders of the regions think a change in immigration policy was necessary. The anti racism machinery was not working to effectively to keep everyone quiet about white Christian immigrants but is is zeroing in now (https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/more-post-brexit-racism/). I have given a few links to posts by philosopher Graham Harman here is him on Bruno Latour and politics.


    Power Politics also comes in both Left and Right flavors, though it is perhaps more common on the Right. For Hobbes, nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan. To appeal to a religious truth beyond the edicts of the State, or even to a scientific truth beyond such edicts, is to risk a bloody civil war of all against all. Transcendence is therefore forbidden. In the case of Schmitt, politics begins only in the sovereign’s decision that it is no longer possible to reason with one’s enemy, so that an existential struggle commences. We see Left versions of this Power Politics in various postmodern theories that dispense with the category of truth altogether. [...]

    A Schmittian approach might shed greater light on the predicament, concluding grimly but clearly that there is no solution other than for each nation to view the others as the “enemy,” and to resolve on a struggle to preserve their way of life. We would then seem to find ourselves on the side of the Power Politics with which Latour is more naturally comfortable. But then again, Might does not entirely make Right. As Strauss properly noted in his critique of Schmitt, and as Socrates noted long ago in his response to Thrasymachus in Plato’s Republic, the distinction between friend and enemy is subordinate to knowledge of the good, since one should hope to defeat true enemies rather than merely apparent ones.

     

    He goes into the debate between technocrat Walter Lippmann and John Dewey, here is a quote from the latter:-

    The new public which is generated remains long inchoate, unorganized, because it cannot use inherited political agencies The latter, if elaborate and well institutionalized, obstruct the organisation of the new public. [...]

    To form itself, the public has to break existing political forms. This is hard to do because these forms are themselves the regular means of instituting change. The public which generates political forms is passing away, but the power and lust of possession remains in the hands of the officers and agencies which the dying public instituted. This is why the change of the form of states is so often effected only by revolution (The Public and Its Problems: An Essay in Political Inquiry By John Dewey, Melvin L. Rogers)
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @random observer

    Hobbes’s metaphysics and science are no longer taught, unlike his politics, but he was an extreme materialist, even by modern standards. For Hobbes, everything is material – not just mind but even God. Transcendence isn’t forbidden. It’s not that nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan – nothing can transcend the Leviathan. According to Hobbesian metaphysics, everything is body.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Hobbs reported the scientist Robert Boyle to the English government for doing science in which the truth was determined by what witnesses saw in an experiment. The authority of the society was supposed to decide what was scientific or other truth, acording to Hobbes

  98. Jack Hanson says:
    @Kylie
    @Jack Hanson

    Totally agree.

    Like most people who police themselves, Steve apparently has trouble imagining the mindset of those who feel no need or obligation to do the same. He seems to believe that at some point, the left will finally realize it has gone too far at which time it will be open to reason.

    That will never happen. The left will not stop. It will have to be stopped.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Much like Steve’s vaunted logic regarding the double secret probation why liberals want to take guns, Steve can’t imagine that someone wants to take the guns away to throw badthinkers into a camp.

    Even with the very real example of the UK, he persists in this. As I said to Nico, the refusal to label evil as what it is comes across as someone burying their head in the sand.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jack Hanson

    Yeah, liberals mean business. They're very nasty and wouldn't hesitate to throw dissenters in jail or have them shot. It's what the left does everytime they meet serious resistance. Deep down, Steve knows this but he still refuses to face the ugly truth.

    Replies: @Kylie

  99. AP says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @AP

    "I suspect most folks here wouldn’t like Putin’s approach to diversity, though."

    Putin's relationship with Ramzan Kadyrov is like if Trump paid Don King $10 billion per year, no questions asked, so long as black criminals stayed in their own parts of town.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AP

    But Chechens don’t stay in their own parts of town in Putin’s Russia. They are all over the place, and given a free pass to commit crime in many circumstances, as long as they don’t go against the government.

    Putin’s relationship with Ramzan Kadyrov would be like if Trump paid the Black Panthers/Crips/Farrakhan* $10 billion dollars, gave them total control over their ethnic areas (city of Detroit, south Chicago, Harlem, etc.), allowed their people to stay out of jail if they commit crimes even outside those areas, so long as they didn’t go against Trump’s government in any way and indeed use their “muscle” to go after Trump’s political enemies at home and abroad.

    There’s a reason why many Russian ethnic nationalists don’t like Putin.

    * I suppose an even more exact analogy would be cutting a similar deal with some Mexican boss: give him SoCal and Arizona, and allow Mexican criminals to get away with crimes across the USA, as long as the gangs crush any separatist sentiment in SoCal, kill Trump’s political enemies, and serve as unofficial soldiers abroad.

  100. @Ron Unz
    @Bill



    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won?
     
    Well, I'll admit I was just being casually anecdotal rather than rigorous. It's just that I regularly run five or six Leftist columnists, and all of them seem to clearly Favor Trump over Clinton. That made me curious, so I looked around at the leftist Counterpunch website, and the articles there seem to support Trump over Clinton. I also noticed that prominent leftist academic Stephen Cohen (whose wife is the publisher of The Nation) seemed to favor Trump over Clinton. So I dropped a query to the Counterpunch editors, and they also support Trump over Clinton and seemed to think that most of their friends felt the same way. Basically, in the sample I examined, I couldn't find one Clinton supporter.

    My guess is that the position partly depends upon how "alternative" the leftists are, and that these days Mother Jones might be more mainstream-left than alt-left.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous, @Bill

    Hey Ron, the MSM is giving Boston radio show host Howie Carr crap for doing an Elizabeth Warren American Indian whoop call at a Trump rally today: https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/748251607247163392.
    Yet your opponent in the CA Senate race had this insulting American Indian battle cry joke:

  101. @anonymous
    The aftermath of Brexit has been very disappointing, and shows just how weak we are relative to The Cathedral or Cultural Marxism or whatever you call it.

    It's particularly funny in the context of the affluent economy of the cities being dependent on supposedly meaningless symbolic manipulations, where it's clear for me at least that the Brexiteers have been outmaneuvered since the vote.

    That is, David Cameron or Farage or Boris Johnson could say in response to any number of things, "Well, obviously this was a difficult choice for a great number of people but it's unfortunate that Mr XYZ is so cavalier about disparaging the considered judgment of millions of British voters. The UK intends to uphold its values and interests with respect to the Europe and the EU just as it would anywhere else. There should be no talk of retaliation or vindictiveness against the UK for exercising its best judgment for Britain the rest of Europe for that matter."

    Which by the way, could be followed up credible, topical replies depending on the response. "I know, I don't see myself as being anti-Europe, and many of the Leave voters aren't either. There was just no other way to begin the reforms that the EU must make." The key is to convey an ethos of aggressiveness but not belligerence. Simply put, the idea of retaliation against the UK for exercising its prerogatives is illegitimate.

    Most importantly, those who indulge in that sort of thing should be forced to defend themselves instead of wallowing in it which is what has happened for the last few days.

    I fear that too many of the Brexit supporters are simply drunk with success. That since the referendum was won, that the issue is over. For me, it's just beginning.

    Replies: @celt darnell

    Yes, but…

    Cameron and co., were very much determined that we remain within the EU. So he was never going to give the speech you want him to. Frankly, that he conceded that the British people had voted to leave the EU and that vote must be honoured was, for me at least, a significant victory. That he has also now said this in the House of Commons is a bonus.

    Farage hasn’t stopped the “independence day” talk — yesterday he stuck it to the European parliament. But the fact remains that with a grand total of one MP in the House of Commons, Farage’s influence is limited. He will have nothing to do with the negotiations to leave.

    That leaves Johnson whom, I think is something of a lightweight, so I share your concerns.

    But right now, we’ve had a barrage from the Cathedral in full temper tantrum at it’s defeat at the hands of the British voter. Expect more economic problems in retaliation for our vote.

    A lot of them still want to reverse the verdict. See Gideon Rachman’s article in today’s Financial Times.

    But the move out the door is underway. I strongly recommend Richard North’s blog, eureferendum.com and his Flexcit plan.

  102. @Anonymous
    @Expletive Deleted

    Yes, James Traub is Jewish (son of the late former chairman of Bloomingdales department store Marvin Traub). However, a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit (see graph 6 of 7):

    EU Referendum result: 7 graphs that explain how Brexit won

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Glaivester

    a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit

    There you go. As I suspected. British people of all stripes and spiritual eccentricities who appreciate basic economics and the ideas of representative democracy tend to the side of self determination, within a self-governing polity. From before even Kronenbourg beer; since 1657. What the foreigners want from us, I neither know nor much care. Why do they worrit so passionately over what we do? It’s almost like we were dangerously important or something, here in the Shire.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    @Expletive Deleted

    My theory is that there are three basic classes of Jews regarding politics. Establishment (JewE), blue-pillers who largely follow the establishment out of inertia or naivete (JewB) and red-pilled Jews (JewR) who realize that the policies of JewE will destroy western civilization and that this will be very, very bad for most rank-and-file Jews.

    Basically, the power structure of the Jewish community in the United States is like that of the Republican Party circa 2004. I think that JewB is the largest bloc, and events vis a vis Muslims may quickly red-pill them if someone explains them correctly.

    So it's not (((James Traub))). It's (E(James Traub)E).

  103. from the same issue of foreign policy:
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/05/when-europe-loved-islam-interwar-weimar-republic-wilmersdorf-mosque

    When Europe Loved Islam, Benjamin Soloway

    The history of Muslims and Islam in Western Europe is both older and more entangled than many think, and acknowledging this helps us imagine a future in which Muslims can be seen as an integral and equal part of European public life, rather than timeless or threatening outsiders.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/author/benjamin-soloway
    Benjamin Soloway is an assistant editor at Foreign Policy. He worked previously in Indonesia as a web editor and Princeton in Asia journalism fellow at the Jakarta Globe. He has also lived in Brazil and Turkey. His work has been published in the Boston Globe, the New Republic, USA Today, the Washington Post, and elsewhere. He studied history at Wesleyan University.

  104. I will say as an unrepentant Brexiteer, I am somewhat shocked at the hornets’ nest we’ve stirred up (or alternatively, how many cockroaches we’ve exposed).

    I knew the global elites were opposed to our leaving the EU, but I tended to assume that was as much about convenience of a single market — i.e. for financial reasons — than anything else.

    It’s a lot more than that.

    Frankly, judging by the cacophony, you’d think 52% of Britons just elected Adolf Hitler.

    We’ve made a lot of powerful people vewy vewy cwross.

    This clown Traub is just one of a thousand enraged voices.

    I read a Canadian newspaper demanding we have another referendum to get the answer right. What the hell are they concerned about? That Brexit will cause the value of maple syrup to drop through the floor? Seriously, no offence to Canadians, but what difference does Brexit make to Canada?

    You’d think the entire world was against us.

    Despite the recent rebound by the stock market, I think we’re going to be under serious pressure to back down.

    In fact I think, given that departure will take two years’ to negotiate under Article 50, that it may take a Trump victory to secure our leave.

    I fully expect President Hillary to be on the side of “re-run the referendum, or else.”

    Things are going to be interesting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @celt darnell

    The point is: while the East gradually moves towards progress and reasonable freedom, the West, after a few decades of democracy, has fallen under tyranny again.

    It is, of course, a postmodern sort of tyranny. A collective tyranny: capitalistic bolshevism rather than fascism with its one-strong-man model.

    Thinking a bit more of it, it's not (yet) bolshevism. It is the Middle Ages, from the most salient and visible features down to the tiny details.
    There is a complete separation between these people and the rest of the world.
    It has become customary to name them "the 1%"; in reality, they are at most the 1/10000, and probably less.

    From healthcare to nutrition, from housing to education, they live in an other world, which, wisely, they keep unknown and ununderstood to the rest of people.

    This is why they so eagerly take decisions that damage their subjects: because these do not affect their life, nor that of their offspring.

    They do not pay taxes: "high taxes for high incomes" is an illusion: these just hit the middle-high class, not the 1/10000 elite: they pay no taxes at all.

    They are above the laws, all laws, just like they are above fiscal laws.

    Riots would never be allowed to occur in the whereabouts of where they reside.

    And... the list could go on.

    A characteristic of the Middle Ages was the despisal in which the ruling held the ruled. This prevented social progress, and civilization. They were a "tap" to any kind of progress for too many centuries.

    Let's hope it lasts less this time.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  105. @Jack Hanson
    @Kylie

    Much like Steve's vaunted logic regarding the double secret probation why liberals want to take guns, Steve can't imagine that someone wants to take the guns away to throw badthinkers into a camp.

    Even with the very real example of the UK, he persists in this. As I said to Nico, the refusal to label evil as what it is comes across as someone burying their head in the sand.

    Replies: @BB753

    Yeah, liberals mean business. They’re very nasty and wouldn’t hesitate to throw dissenters in jail or have them shot. It’s what the left does everytime they meet serious resistance. Deep down, Steve knows this but he still refuses to face the ugly truth.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @BB753

    I am not sure Steve knows on any level just how nasty liberals can be. Like many genuinely nice people, he seems to have some cut-off point beyond which he simply can't conceive how evil people can be--and frequently are--outside of warfare.

    Replies: @BB753, @Jack Hanson

  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Thought this was going to be satire (this is Foreign Policy not National Review after all). I misunderestimated.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Anonymous

    Never underestimate humans by expecting a limit to their will-to-power to be there.

    Actually, it’s like all their addictions, just the most potent of all. The more they get, the more they need. The madder they turn.

    This is why sociopolitical classes like that actually ruling the West today are rarely healed back to sanity through peaceful historical processes.

  107. “He is the son of Marvin Traub, formerly chairman of Bloomingdale’s, and Lee L. Traub, chair emerita of the Martha Graham Center of Contemporary Dance. He is married to Elizabeth Easton, formerly the chair of the Department of European Painting and Sculpture at the Brooklyn Museum and an adjunct professor at New York University.[4] He is a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard University.”

    + NYT
    + National Review.

    ————————-
    When this kind of people work for the population’s interests (like it is in the East today, the East including Russia), society prospers.

    When this kind of people work against their populations, and indeed hate their governed ones, societies sink, and move towards dire times.

    If it hasn’t been unlike that ever, why should it this time?

  108. @Ron Unz
    @Bill



    But almost 100% of the “alternative” writers, Left or Right, strongly favor Trump Over Clinton.
     
    Is this actually true? Is there, for example, some poll of Mother Jones readers which Trump won?
     
    Well, I'll admit I was just being casually anecdotal rather than rigorous. It's just that I regularly run five or six Leftist columnists, and all of them seem to clearly Favor Trump over Clinton. That made me curious, so I looked around at the leftist Counterpunch website, and the articles there seem to support Trump over Clinton. I also noticed that prominent leftist academic Stephen Cohen (whose wife is the publisher of The Nation) seemed to favor Trump over Clinton. So I dropped a query to the Counterpunch editors, and they also support Trump over Clinton and seemed to think that most of their friends felt the same way. Basically, in the sample I examined, I couldn't find one Clinton supporter.

    My guess is that the position partly depends upon how "alternative" the leftists are, and that these days Mother Jones might be more mainstream-left than alt-left.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous, @Bill

    Thanks for the answer. That’s certainly heartening to hear.

  109. @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous


    a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit
     
    There you go. As I suspected. British people of all stripes and spiritual eccentricities who appreciate basic economics and the ideas of representative democracy tend to the side of self determination, within a self-governing polity. From before even Kronenbourg beer; since 1657. What the foreigners want from us, I neither know nor much care. Why do they worrit so passionately over what we do? It's almost like we were dangerously important or something, here in the Shire.

    Replies: @Glaivester

    My theory is that there are three basic classes of Jews regarding politics. Establishment (JewE), blue-pillers who largely follow the establishment out of inertia or naivete (JewB) and red-pilled Jews (JewR) who realize that the policies of JewE will destroy western civilization and that this will be very, very bad for most rank-and-file Jews.

    Basically, the power structure of the Jewish community in the United States is like that of the Republican Party circa 2004. I think that JewB is the largest bloc, and events vis a vis Muslims may quickly red-pill them if someone explains them correctly.

    So it’s not (((James Traub))). It’s (E(James Traub)E).

  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @celt darnell
    I will say as an unrepentant Brexiteer, I am somewhat shocked at the hornets' nest we've stirred up (or alternatively, how many cockroaches we've exposed).

    I knew the global elites were opposed to our leaving the EU, but I tended to assume that was as much about convenience of a single market -- i.e. for financial reasons -- than anything else.

    It's a lot more than that.

    Frankly, judging by the cacophony, you'd think 52% of Britons just elected Adolf Hitler.

    We've made a lot of powerful people vewy vewy cwross.

    This clown Traub is just one of a thousand enraged voices.

    I read a Canadian newspaper demanding we have another referendum to get the answer right. What the hell are they concerned about? That Brexit will cause the value of maple syrup to drop through the floor? Seriously, no offence to Canadians, but what difference does Brexit make to Canada?

    You'd think the entire world was against us.

    Despite the recent rebound by the stock market, I think we're going to be under serious pressure to back down.

    In fact I think, given that departure will take two years' to negotiate under Article 50, that it may take a Trump victory to secure our leave.

    I fully expect President Hillary to be on the side of "re-run the referendum, or else."

    Things are going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The point is: while the East gradually moves towards progress and reasonable freedom, the West, after a few decades of democracy, has fallen under tyranny again.

    It is, of course, a postmodern sort of tyranny. A collective tyranny: capitalistic bolshevism rather than fascism with its one-strong-man model.

    Thinking a bit more of it, it’s not (yet) bolshevism. It is the Middle Ages, from the most salient and visible features down to the tiny details.
    There is a complete separation between these people and the rest of the world.
    It has become customary to name them “the 1%”; in reality, they are at most the 1/10000, and probably less.

    From healthcare to nutrition, from housing to education, they live in an other world, which, wisely, they keep unknown and ununderstood to the rest of people.

    This is why they so eagerly take decisions that damage their subjects: because these do not affect their life, nor that of their offspring.

    They do not pay taxes: “high taxes for high incomes” is an illusion: these just hit the middle-high class, not the 1/10000 elite: they pay no taxes at all.

    They are above the laws, all laws, just like they are above fiscal laws.

    Riots would never be allowed to occur in the whereabouts of where they reside.

    And… the list could go on.

    A characteristic of the Middle Ages was the despisal in which the ruling held the ruled. This prevented social progress, and civilization. They were a “tap” to any kind of progress for too many centuries.

    Let’s hope it lasts less this time.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    A characteristic of the Middle Ages was the despisal in which the ruling held the ruled.
     
    To the contrary, in general (although this changed over the years and was much less the case, if at all, by the late Middle Ages) the Middle Ages were the period in which the rulers were closest to and most closely constrained by the people. You have this perfectly backward.
  111. @Anonymous
    @Expletive Deleted

    Yes, James Traub is Jewish (son of the late former chairman of Bloomingdales department store Marvin Traub). However, a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit (see graph 6 of 7):

    EU Referendum result: 7 graphs that explain how Brexit won

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Glaivester

    However, a slight majority of British Jews voted for Brexit (see graph 6 of 7):

    I’d like to think that somewhere, Benjamin Disraeli is smiling proudly.

  112. @Sean
    Getting out of the EU, which is the military wing of Nato, will prevent total disaster. The EU’s search for ultimate security is driving it East, where sooner or later the the Russian leadership will decide using military force is the only answer.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

    The above has been condemned as a hoax of gullible nationalist I don’t know if that is true, but there certainly seem to be more than figures suggest. Moreover, you cannot tell people about their felt perception of their own town where they live. The East Europeans are everywhere, you encounter them in any construction crew and every hotel. i would not be surprised if Trump's staff at Turnberry are all East European. The wives and children are on every main street. They are edging out the British working class and being used to hold down wages in the already not very high wage service, construction and agriculture jobs of deindustrialised Britain (it really has been deindustrialised). There were more by the day, and no end in sight

    https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/where-the-uk-leave-vote-is-coming-from/
    I disagree with the above link, the Moslem or Turkish angle was not significant. The English Scots Irish and Welsh are not consciously angry about Muslims, that may be cognitive dissonance, with the real motive being simple fear of the personal costs (if Trump made his remarks on Muslims in the UK he would be arrested). The correlation with east Europeans concentrations in the leave success areas referendum make it pretty obvious that East Europeans made the lower orders of the regions think a change in immigration policy was necessary. The anti racism machinery was not working to effectively to keep everyone quiet about white Christian immigrants but is is zeroing in now (https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/more-post-brexit-racism/). I have given a few links to posts by philosopher Graham Harman here is him on Bruno Latour and politics.


    Power Politics also comes in both Left and Right flavors, though it is perhaps more common on the Right. For Hobbes, nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan. To appeal to a religious truth beyond the edicts of the State, or even to a scientific truth beyond such edicts, is to risk a bloody civil war of all against all. Transcendence is therefore forbidden. In the case of Schmitt, politics begins only in the sovereign’s decision that it is no longer possible to reason with one’s enemy, so that an existential struggle commences. We see Left versions of this Power Politics in various postmodern theories that dispense with the category of truth altogether. [...]

    A Schmittian approach might shed greater light on the predicament, concluding grimly but clearly that there is no solution other than for each nation to view the others as the “enemy,” and to resolve on a struggle to preserve their way of life. We would then seem to find ourselves on the side of the Power Politics with which Latour is more naturally comfortable. But then again, Might does not entirely make Right. As Strauss properly noted in his critique of Schmitt, and as Socrates noted long ago in his response to Thrasymachus in Plato’s Republic, the distinction between friend and enemy is subordinate to knowledge of the good, since one should hope to defeat true enemies rather than merely apparent ones.

     

    He goes into the debate between technocrat Walter Lippmann and John Dewey, here is a quote from the latter:-

    The new public which is generated remains long inchoate, unorganized, because it cannot use inherited political agencies The latter, if elaborate and well institutionalized, obstruct the organisation of the new public. [...]

    To form itself, the public has to break existing political forms. This is hard to do because these forms are themselves the regular means of instituting change. The public which generates political forms is passing away, but the power and lust of possession remains in the hands of the officers and agencies which the dying public instituted. This is why the change of the form of states is so often effected only by revolution (The Public and Its Problems: An Essay in Political Inquiry By John Dewey, Melvin L. Rogers)
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @random observer

    How queer, as Mr Arthur Atkinson might say.
    Mr Sean, I frankly suspect you of Englishry, or at the very least a passing acquaintance with the benighted denizens of that gloomy realm. How unlike the home life of our own dear Queen, or indeed the usual internet commenter. Although you didn’t half use a lot of long bollocky foreign words to say it, but you are right on the money, as we say. I am impressed by your dispassionate analysis. It’s not often I recognise an actual connoisseur of our creepy offshore culture, as distinct from the projectors of exotic phantasms and personal demons thereon. Well done, sir. The rest of you, take note.

    The missus had a job years back, writing up The Trumpenmeister’s Turnberry revival of the old railway age hotel and grounds there, for brochures. I previously spent some considerable time as a cold war forces’ child in the near vicinity (still have a “Golden Bear” RBS fiver in my wallet as a universal passport to the illiterate, if Abroad). As far as I could determine, all the staff were at that time Jock Tamson’s bairns from roundabout, even as far as Carsphairn, Moniave and Drongan, doing the necessary on the maintenance and feeding front. To be honest, the climate, and the sport itself in fact requires webbed, excessively multi-phalanged feet and a hopeless fatalistic disposition not often found in incomers, nor even in islanders not bred to it.

    If you seek a decent, joyful, civilised and comradely pastime, well, Ailsa Craig, and its once-famous curling stone quarries are seen to advantage from the broomy sloughs of the Donald’s course. I could knock you up a brush or two, for a price.

  113. @res
    @Luke Lea


    Without a fair and efficient way to transfer income from capital to labor — something we don’t have — free trade won’t work in our lopsided world.
     
    Would changing the tax code be a way to accomplish this? Is there a free source for your article?

    Replies: @Luke Lea

    “Would changing the tax code be a way to accomplish this? Is there a free source for your article?”

    Well, possibly, I don’t know: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qJCdkd50kFib3VqagZdSZiPYSKNpZ83JQ6LteKbLWuE/edit?usp=sharing

    As for the article: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B48WcEDU3CN9a1RXYmtEN1Y5Q25zOHpGUzJyemh3d1hwYW5B/view?usp=sharing

    • Replies: @Wade
    @Luke Lea

    Luke,

    I read your essay from beginning to end and I enjoyed it thoroughly. It's 22 years old and still very topical today. Every middle class voting citizen of the US should read it, especially low level amateur economists which we have a lot off (e.g. John Stossel).

    Replies: @Luke Lea

  114. @BB753
    @Jack Hanson

    Yeah, liberals mean business. They're very nasty and wouldn't hesitate to throw dissenters in jail or have them shot. It's what the left does everytime they meet serious resistance. Deep down, Steve knows this but he still refuses to face the ugly truth.

    Replies: @Kylie

    I am not sure Steve knows on any level just how nasty liberals can be. Like many genuinely nice people, he seems to have some cut-off point beyond which he simply can’t conceive how evil people can be–and frequently are–outside of warfare.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Kylie

    He should know by now. Steve's on the SPLC's hit list.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Kylie

    I guess me calling Derb and Steve cowards for refusing to name evil as what it is what was a bridge too far for him. My response to @Nico is still "under moderation".

  115. @Kylie
    @BB753

    I am not sure Steve knows on any level just how nasty liberals can be. Like many genuinely nice people, he seems to have some cut-off point beyond which he simply can't conceive how evil people can be--and frequently are--outside of warfare.

    Replies: @BB753, @Jack Hanson

    He should know by now. Steve’s on the SPLC’s hit list.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @BB753

    Is he really? I know Heidi Beirich used to pester Lawrence Auster with emails purportedly wanting to discuss his correspondence with another right-winger. I always suspected she just "liked" him, though. She struck me as kind of lonesome, spending her time wading through archives looking for hateful remarks. I suggested Lawrence ask her to have a latte with him. He never did and shortly thereafter he died. Bet she's even more lonesome now.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011405.html

    Replies: @BB753

  116. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Among the many blindingly unselfaware assertions Traub makes, this one stood out for me:

    "I was recently in Poland, where a far-right party appealing to nationalism and tradition has gained power despite years of undeniable prosperity under a centrist regime."
     
    Undeniable prosperity. Yes, for the college educated Warsaw types that Traub probably knows well, it seems self-evident that Poland is booming. There are Starbucks coffee shops everywhere, there are yoga classes, sushi restaurants, 10K runs on the week-ends, bike paths, gay pride parades, cable TV with the latest American TV series, and you can even buy a cheap chalupa in Cracow. Our elites can't even fathom the idea that millions of people aren't as thrilled with this type of "prosperity" as they are.

    Our elites, like most economists, seem blind to the role that status plays in human life. As a result of "prosperity" millions of ordinary Poles find themselves treated as second-class citizens in their own country. If you can't speak English, you're provincial. If you follow the teachings of the Catholic church, you're superstitious at best, or a small-minded homophobe at worst. If you can't afford a ski vacation in Austria or two weeks on the beach in Thailand, then you are a loser. Do these Poles think their lives are better? Of course not.

    To rail against such people as "ignorant" betrays an incredible lack of empathy and curiosity, which are ironically characteristics I am sure Traub thinks he possesses in spades.

    Replies: @Cattle Guard, @AP, @Anonymous

    To rail against such people as “ignorant” betrays an incredible lack of empathy and curiosity, which are ironically characteristics I am sure Traub thinks he possesses in spades.

    To liberal elitists, anyone is ignorant who does not hold the same views that they do. All their talk of diversity ends there, with them.

  117. @Anonymous
    These elites are uninterested in bringing their revolution to non-white countries.

    Their prescriptions are laser focused on white countries with not a peep to say about non-white countries that violate these elites' sacred principles.

    e.g. Mexican hostility to many planks of the elite program. Chinese hostility is given the same pass, and on and on. But Russian hostility is cause for WW3.......?

    Replies: @gruff

    This is just wrong. The IMF et al. have been running roughshod over nonwhite countries for decades now. Where do you think the rare minerals in your cellphone come from?

    I appreciate WN but there is a more comprehensive view.

  118. They have nothing to lose but our chains.

  119. @BB753
    @Kylie

    He should know by now. Steve's on the SPLC's hit list.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Is he really? I know Heidi Beirich used to pester Lawrence Auster with emails purportedly wanting to discuss his correspondence with another right-winger. I always suspected she just “liked” him, though. She struck me as kind of lonesome, spending her time wading through archives looking for hateful remarks. I suggested Lawrence ask her to have a latte with him. He never did and shortly thereafter he died. Bet she’s even more lonesome now.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011405.html

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Kylie

    I certainly hope she is lonely and that she will die alone surrounded by her cats.

  120. I don’t disagree with any thing you have written, but to a substantial extent it’s missing the point. The game isn’t over now, it’s just starting. And the territory that’s currently being contested is the perception of legitimacy, ie not really about the EU at all at least for now.

    And to that end, it’s actually easier for Cameron to help in this situation than it is for Farage. Farage has done a lot of good work but he tends toward bluster. Right now, we don’t need any thunder about Independence Day, we need an understated, even boring affirmation of the British people and their right to act in their own interest as well as their judgment of the best interest as a whole. And Cameron is actually well-positioned to affirm that, in fact he’s already implicitly done it by stating his intention to resign.

    The strength of disapproval among the media and the political establishment for Brexit has created the perception that the opponents of Brexit are powerful, maybe even inexorable. In the cold light of day, that might not be so. It might very well turn out that they have far less authority or capability that it looks.

    The way that we find out is through the affirmations of legitimacy, and the denial of legitimacy to the Cathedral. None of this changes things immediately but it governs the battlespace for the next fight which will happen soon enough anyway.

  121. @Kylie
    @BB753

    Is he really? I know Heidi Beirich used to pester Lawrence Auster with emails purportedly wanting to discuss his correspondence with another right-winger. I always suspected she just "liked" him, though. She struck me as kind of lonesome, spending her time wading through archives looking for hateful remarks. I suggested Lawrence ask her to have a latte with him. He never did and shortly thereafter he died. Bet she's even more lonesome now.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011405.html

    Replies: @BB753

    I certainly hope she is lonely and that she will die alone surrounded by her cats.

    • Agree: Kylie
  122. @Kylie
    @BB753

    I am not sure Steve knows on any level just how nasty liberals can be. Like many genuinely nice people, he seems to have some cut-off point beyond which he simply can't conceive how evil people can be--and frequently are--outside of warfare.

    Replies: @BB753, @Jack Hanson

    I guess me calling Derb and Steve cowards for refusing to name evil as what it is what was a bridge too far for him. My response to is still “under moderation”.

  123. @Anonymous
    @celt darnell

    The point is: while the East gradually moves towards progress and reasonable freedom, the West, after a few decades of democracy, has fallen under tyranny again.

    It is, of course, a postmodern sort of tyranny. A collective tyranny: capitalistic bolshevism rather than fascism with its one-strong-man model.

    Thinking a bit more of it, it's not (yet) bolshevism. It is the Middle Ages, from the most salient and visible features down to the tiny details.
    There is a complete separation between these people and the rest of the world.
    It has become customary to name them "the 1%"; in reality, they are at most the 1/10000, and probably less.

    From healthcare to nutrition, from housing to education, they live in an other world, which, wisely, they keep unknown and ununderstood to the rest of people.

    This is why they so eagerly take decisions that damage their subjects: because these do not affect their life, nor that of their offspring.

    They do not pay taxes: "high taxes for high incomes" is an illusion: these just hit the middle-high class, not the 1/10000 elite: they pay no taxes at all.

    They are above the laws, all laws, just like they are above fiscal laws.

    Riots would never be allowed to occur in the whereabouts of where they reside.

    And... the list could go on.

    A characteristic of the Middle Ages was the despisal in which the ruling held the ruled. This prevented social progress, and civilization. They were a "tap" to any kind of progress for too many centuries.

    Let's hope it lasts less this time.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    A characteristic of the Middle Ages was the despisal in which the ruling held the ruled.

    To the contrary, in general (although this changed over the years and was much less the case, if at all, by the late Middle Ages) the Middle Ages were the period in which the rulers were closest to and most closely constrained by the people. You have this perfectly backward.

  124. @Nico
    @Jack Hanson

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter's insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." At a certain point blindness is however willful, and at that point the maxim Ignorantia juris non excusat has to apply.

    There is no point in seeking the approval or at least the ear of people who admire NARAL, the SPLC, the New York Times, the Atlantic, TNC or any number of other shills for the intelligentsia. It is past time we felt guilty for facing them off on the battle lines they themselves have drawn instead of attempting diplomatic missions on their turf. That is why Coulter's promise to tell us "how to talk to a liberal (if you must)" is instructive in itself, without any further elucidation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    John Derbyshire, refuting Ann Coulter’s insinuation that the 1965 Immigration Act and related bravada were conceived to reduce white Americans to a minority in the country we built, argued, “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.”

    That’s a response, not a refutation.

  125. @Verymuchalive
    @Steve Sailer

    As your colleague, Anatoly Karlin, has pointed out, Poland has only been kept buoyant by massive subsidies from the EU, that is the large EU net contributors like the Germany and the UK. Between 2010 and 2014 alone, Poland received 57 billion euros in net subsidy.
    Some model for Americans !
    As President Putin said after the referendum, " People don't like to feed weak economies. "

    Replies: @szopen

    You say 57bln euros over 4 years, ie 14bln/year. Just for the comparison, Polish GDP in 2014 was 413 bln euro, export was 220 bln USD. Subsidies amounted to 3% of Polish GDP – large, but I wouldn’t say “massive”.

    For another comparison, east Germany received about 1.3 trillion euros over 20 years, that is ~ 65bln/a year. East Germany’s population was 18 millions compared to Polish 36/38 millions (now 12.5 millions). That means East Germany received more than four times larger subsidies, or ten to twelve times higher per capita.

  126. @Sean
    Getting out of the EU, which is the military wing of Nato, will prevent total disaster. The EU’s search for ultimate security is driving it East, where sooner or later the the Russian leadership will decide using military force is the only answer.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

    The above has been condemned as a hoax of gullible nationalist I don’t know if that is true, but there certainly seem to be more than figures suggest. Moreover, you cannot tell people about their felt perception of their own town where they live. The East Europeans are everywhere, you encounter them in any construction crew and every hotel. i would not be surprised if Trump's staff at Turnberry are all East European. The wives and children are on every main street. They are edging out the British working class and being used to hold down wages in the already not very high wage service, construction and agriculture jobs of deindustrialised Britain (it really has been deindustrialised). There were more by the day, and no end in sight

    https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/where-the-uk-leave-vote-is-coming-from/
    I disagree with the above link, the Moslem or Turkish angle was not significant. The English Scots Irish and Welsh are not consciously angry about Muslims, that may be cognitive dissonance, with the real motive being simple fear of the personal costs (if Trump made his remarks on Muslims in the UK he would be arrested). The correlation with east Europeans concentrations in the leave success areas referendum make it pretty obvious that East Europeans made the lower orders of the regions think a change in immigration policy was necessary. The anti racism machinery was not working to effectively to keep everyone quiet about white Christian immigrants but is is zeroing in now (https://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/more-post-brexit-racism/). I have given a few links to posts by philosopher Graham Harman here is him on Bruno Latour and politics.


    Power Politics also comes in both Left and Right flavors, though it is perhaps more common on the Right. For Hobbes, nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan. To appeal to a religious truth beyond the edicts of the State, or even to a scientific truth beyond such edicts, is to risk a bloody civil war of all against all. Transcendence is therefore forbidden. In the case of Schmitt, politics begins only in the sovereign’s decision that it is no longer possible to reason with one’s enemy, so that an existential struggle commences. We see Left versions of this Power Politics in various postmodern theories that dispense with the category of truth altogether. [...]

    A Schmittian approach might shed greater light on the predicament, concluding grimly but clearly that there is no solution other than for each nation to view the others as the “enemy,” and to resolve on a struggle to preserve their way of life. We would then seem to find ourselves on the side of the Power Politics with which Latour is more naturally comfortable. But then again, Might does not entirely make Right. As Strauss properly noted in his critique of Schmitt, and as Socrates noted long ago in his response to Thrasymachus in Plato’s Republic, the distinction between friend and enemy is subordinate to knowledge of the good, since one should hope to defeat true enemies rather than merely apparent ones.

     

    He goes into the debate between technocrat Walter Lippmann and John Dewey, here is a quote from the latter:-

    The new public which is generated remains long inchoate, unorganized, because it cannot use inherited political agencies The latter, if elaborate and well institutionalized, obstruct the organisation of the new public. [...]

    To form itself, the public has to break existing political forms. This is hard to do because these forms are themselves the regular means of instituting change. The public which generates political forms is passing away, but the power and lust of possession remains in the hands of the officers and agencies which the dying public instituted. This is why the change of the form of states is so often effected only by revolution (The Public and Its Problems: An Essay in Political Inquiry By John Dewey, Melvin L. Rogers)
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @random observer

    The EU is not the “military wing of NATO”.

    NATO is the military alliance, and it isn’t even the military wing of the EU, at least not yet, so long as the US brings almost all the military power and still largely dictates its operations.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @random observer

    The Russians seem to think otherwise and understood the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement as requiring a war against Ukraine

    The leader of Greece told them decades ago, when they were very left wing, that if they withdrew from Nato they would not be allowed into the EC. Greece joined the EU in 1981.

    A war would be fought in the US, and they pay, but only have the majority of nuclear weapons, which would never be used because exchanges would would risk destruction of the US homeland. Europeans have the majority of conventional weapons in the Europe thathave a military purpose in fighting a war.

  127. The Russian seem to think otherwise and understood the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement as requiring a war against Ukraine

    The left wing leader of Greece told them decades ago, when they were very left wing, that if they withdrew from Nato they would not be allowed into the EC. Greece joined the EU in 1981.

    A war would be fought in the US, and they pay, but only have the majority of nuclear weapons, which would never be used because exchanges would would risk destruction of the US homeland. Europeans have the majority of conventional weapons, which have a military purpose in fighting a war.

  128. @random observer
    @Sean

    The EU is not the "military wing of NATO".

    NATO is the military alliance, and it isn't even the military wing of the EU, at least not yet, so long as the US brings almost all the military power and still largely dictates its operations.

    Replies: @Sean

    The Russians seem to think otherwise and understood the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement as requiring a war against Ukraine

    The leader of Greece told them decades ago, when they were very left wing, that if they withdrew from Nato they would not be allowed into the EC. Greece joined the EU in 1981.

    A war would be fought in the US, and they pay, but only have the majority of nuclear weapons, which would never be used because exchanges would would risk destruction of the US homeland. Europeans have the majority of conventional weapons in the Europe thathave a military purpose in fighting a war.

  129. @Anonymous
    @Sean

    Hobbes's metaphysics and science are no longer taught, unlike his politics, but he was an extreme materialist, even by modern standards. For Hobbes, everything is material - not just mind but even God. Transcendence isn't forbidden. It's not that nothing can be permitted to transcend the Leviathan - nothing can transcend the Leviathan. According to Hobbesian metaphysics, everything is body.

    Replies: @Sean

    Hobbs reported the scientist Robert Boyle to the English government for doing science in which the truth was determined by what witnesses saw in an experiment. The authority of the society was supposed to decide what was scientific or other truth, acording to Hobbes

  130. @Wade

    In the late 1960s, elites were in disarray, as they are now — but back then they were fleeing from kids rebelling against their parents’ world; now the elites are fleeing from the parents. Extremism has gone mainstream.
     
    This is the sort of odd statement that allows the truth to shine through the narrative a bit: In Traub's metaphor the parents are the extremists and the children are the rational ones. That's not how things work normally. These guys are just mad, mad I tell you that their stock prices dipped so badly after Brexit. That's what all of this is about really. The Elites have climbed the social latter ahead of everyone else and then lifted it so no one else can follow. They just want to live off of capital gains and the stock market. Everything in our society (The Fed, EU, immigration for low wages) is being rigged accordingly to keep the stock market rising. A "market correction" is in order I think. The less numerate elites and "experts" like Traub want to live off conveying the elites' message to the masses.

    One of the most brazen features of the Brexit vote was the utter repudiation of the bankers and economists and Western heads of state who warned voters against the dangers of a split with the European Union.
     
    Indeed.

    Mainstream parties of the left and right may increasingly combine forces to keep out the nationalists.
     
    Hey, wouldn't it be a master stroke of genius for the left wing parties of Europe to temporarily unite with Muslim extremists politically to block out the nationalists from winning elections? I mean like no one would even see that coming!

    Replies: @Olorin

    Of course, Wade, these elitist megazillionaires are the ones who temporarily crashed their own Monopoly Money in what Countenance (at his eponymous blog) calls an action parallel to Fergaza’s rioters.

    In Traub’s metaphor the parents are the extremists and the children are the rational ones.

    I heard or read somewhere today that one of the ideas being kicked around for the new and improved United Socialist State of Pan-Europa is that voting rights would be apportioned to the populace on an age-related basis. Younger people would get 100% of a vote; older people less. People over 60, something like 35%.

    The US and Europe have been turned into basically shopping malls, or enterprise zones, or theme parks. One’s consumer preferences–based on fabricated demographics and alliances–are supposed to take precedence over horrible old constructs like national loyalty or racial identity.

    In this, the powers that be (such as little Jimmy Traub, heir of the Bloomingdale’s empire) are trying to make everyone Rootless Cosmopolitans just like themselves. Problem is, we aren’t all hardwired like that. They still have a few billion of movable human capital to shunt around toward this goal…but it seems that even the seething masses yearning to breed free (and subsidized) are frequently very dismayed to learn that the propaganda of their FB account doesn’t match the reality of everyday life.

  131. @anon
    @Expletive Deleted

    (((Traub))). That's who he is, and that's his motivation. If he thinks the minuscule steps taken by the British to preserve their nation, culture, and people are upsetting let's hope he never finds out about Israel's more vigorous efforts along those lines, lest he have a heart attack. Not.

    Replies: @Clyde

    (((Traub))). That’s who he is, and that’s his motivation. If he thinks the minuscule steps taken by the British to preserve their nation, culture, and people are upsetting let’s hope he never finds out about Israel’s more vigorous efforts along those lines, lest he have a heart attack. Not.

    You assume too much and are stereotyping. A quick perusal of the internet tells me Traub is not a pro-Israel type of Jew.

  132. @BenKenobi
    They wanted evil White men. They shall have them.

    Do not lament that we have come.

    We are the culmination of the entire progressive philosophy.

    We are the synthesis.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Mr. Anon, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Well stated. Count me in.

  133. @Numinous
    @Amasius

    How does Brexit "protect their daughters from Pakistani rapists"?

    Replies: @bomag, @Wilkey, @Amasius, @Anonymous

    By taking control of their borders. That is, away from the EU, and into their own protective hands. I suppose it wasn’t your daughters who were raped.

  134. @Luke Lea
    @res

    "Would changing the tax code be a way to accomplish this? Is there a free source for your article?"

    Well, possibly, I don't know: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qJCdkd50kFib3VqagZdSZiPYSKNpZ83JQ6LteKbLWuE/edit?usp=sharing

    As for the article: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B48WcEDU3CN9a1RXYmtEN1Y5Q25zOHpGUzJyemh3d1hwYW5B/view?usp=sharing

    Replies: @Wade

    Luke,

    I read your essay from beginning to end and I enjoyed it thoroughly. It’s 22 years old and still very topical today. Every middle class voting citizen of the US should read it, especially low level amateur economists which we have a lot off (e.g. John Stossel).

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Wade

    "I read your essay from beginning to end and I enjoyed it thoroughly. It’s 22 years old and still very topical today. Every middle class voting citizen of the US should read it, especially low level amateur economists which we have a lot off (e.g. John Stossel)."

    Thanks! I was a little embarrassed by the tone when I reread it recently. It was commissioned by Harper's but they decided not to publish because it wasn't "topical" enough -- the editor what's his name wanted to know what the effects would be next year not in the coming decades. Also wanted me to dumb it down. Oh well.

  135. @Wade
    @Luke Lea

    Luke,

    I read your essay from beginning to end and I enjoyed it thoroughly. It's 22 years old and still very topical today. Every middle class voting citizen of the US should read it, especially low level amateur economists which we have a lot off (e.g. John Stossel).

    Replies: @Luke Lea

    “I read your essay from beginning to end and I enjoyed it thoroughly. It’s 22 years old and still very topical today. Every middle class voting citizen of the US should read it, especially low level amateur economists which we have a lot off (e.g. John Stossel).”

    Thanks! I was a little embarrassed by the tone when I reread it recently. It was commissioned by Harper’s but they decided not to publish because it wasn’t “topical” enough — the editor what’s his name wanted to know what the effects would be next year not in the coming decades. Also wanted me to dumb it down. Oh well.

  136. @Steve Sailer
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Poland's Trump-like party won the first majority ever in modern Polish politics in the last election. Poland is a better model for Americans than Russia is.

    Replies: @AP, @Verymuchalive, @Bies Podkrakowski

    Yes that was interesting article.

    There is a observation made by some Polish blogger or conservative journalists that supplements your article. I forgot the name of this guy, but remember his thesis: Poland is in vanguard of European politics since around Smolensk catastrophe in which Poland lost his conservative president and a lot of conservative elite. After that pro-globalists right represented by Civic Platform won the elections and traditional conservatives, cut from public media and incessantly attacked had to develop their own media. Which they did: newspapers, TV stations, web portals, lectures, etc. They developed a kind of parallel society, funded by “losers” of post-communists transformation, impervious to critic and a bit cultish. And it was a key element in 2015 electoral victory of Law and Justice.

    Now similar thing is happening in Western Europe, and the flash point was New Year’s Muslim rapefest and media coverage of it. If the media are lying we need our own. Immigration is Western Europe’s Smolensk.

    To check if this is true I would be looking for creation of small, closed, ideologically driven media corporations that are impervious to outside pressures (advertising agencies for example) because they are funded by people that feel they are living in a state of war – us vs. them. They will be more extensive than just internet sites, they will include classical newspapers, radio and TV stations. They will be affiliated with new political movements, especially anti-EU and anti-immigration.

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