The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
WSJ: "Hardly Any Connection Between Genes and Race"
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

From the Wall Street Journal:

A White Woman Searches for Her Black Family

A home DNA test led Christine Jacobsen to grapple with complicated questions about racial identity

After taking a DNA test, Christine Jacobsen found out that the man who raised her wasn’t her biological father.

By Amy Dockser Marcus
Nov. 1, 2019 12:19 pm ET

… Ancestry and race

Based on huge advances in genetic research, many scientists today believe there is hardly any connection between genes and race.

In 2003, scientists from the Human Genome Project announced they had essentially completed mapping of the human genome. The resulting genetic blueprint indicated that humans are 99.9% identical. The remainder, scientists said, likely contains clues explaining differences such as skin color or increased risk of certain diseases.

Some of those are connected to ancestry—where your predecessors came from thousands of years ago. Race, on the other hand, researchers say today, is a complex combination of factors from physical appearance to family stories and how people are treated as they move through the world. In other words, for many people, it is in large part subjective, not measurable.

Uh …

 
Hide 100 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
    []
  1. bomag says:

    …humans are 99.9% identical

    This is becoming a running joke.

    “The NYT reporter gave his wife a coal ring for their engagement; he was told it was 100% identical to diamond.”

    • LOL: Hail, Ash Williams
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Barnard
  2. Kronos says:

    Some of those are connected to ancestry—where your predecessors came from thousands of years ago. Race, on the other hand, researchers say today, is a complex combination of factors from physical appearance to family stories and how people are treated as they move through the world. In other words, for many people, it is in large part subjective, not measurable.

    That’s actually worse than the average NYT “genes and race” article.

    https://media.tenor.co/images/5a6f5c28809bc92e2ae52981d01ae395/raw

  3. syonredux says:

    Some of those are connected to ancestry—where your predecessors came from thousands of years ago. Race, on the other hand, researchers say today, is a complex combination of factors from physical appearance to family stories and how people are treated as they move through the world. In other words, for many people, it is in large part subjective, not measurable.

    So, Rachel Dolezal was right…..

    • Agree: TWS
  4. TL;DR: Sexual licentiousness is a curse that haunts and makes miserable everyone involved, lo unto generations.

    Jacobsen hurt person after person to whom she reached out in her damn fool quest. Truly, Nice White(ish) Women are the doomsday machine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  5. Whiskey says: • Website

    Semi related, the Daily Mail has pictures of the anti police riot in Brooklyn.

    The only White participants are young White women.

    Something needs to be done about White women. They all need White husbands who hold their reins so to speak. Unmarried White women turn feral and are as dangerous as a pack of dumped pit bulls.

    • Agree: Malcolm Y, MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Harold
  6. Jack D says:

    Here is Ms. Jacobsen as an infant. Her parents were from Denmark. Her mother was screwing around with a Bahamian mulatto. Who could have imagined that she had black ancestry? Impossible to tell from her appearance. Impossible I tell you.

    https://images.wsj.net/im-122576/JV

  7. Altai_2 says:

    There was a bit in a recent Nature article/editorial (Honestly it’s hard to see the difference anymore with Nature, it’s going hard core the last few months) on the issue of some American spiv in Uganda making a $5.99 app that ranks your polygenic risk score using the results from just a single recent GWAS on a case/control of ever had sexual relations with a member of the same sex. Not terribly effective and the authors of both the study and the app both concede this.

    But they had to add some filler to the article and my favourite was this.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03282-0

    In 2015, 23andMe learnt that its customers could feed their DNA data directly from 23andMe’s servers into a secondary application associated with white supremacists that evaluated a person’s degree of European ancestry. 23andMe shut down the app’s access to data on its servers. The company went further last year by restricting direct access to its data to select collaborators.

    I’m glad 23andMe put a stop to that, imagine giving 23andMe customers a breakdown of how European they were…

  8. Steve Sailer takes a break from pointing out the anti-White nonsense and the anti-Science nonsense of the New York Times in order to show that the Wall Street Journal can be just as anti-Science and anti-White as the New York Times.

    The Rupert Murdoch-controlled Wall Street Journal pushes globalization, financialization, multiculturalism, anti-Science crud and anti-White crud.

    The readership of the Wall Street Journal is a lot of White upper middle class globalizer treasonites who benefit financially from pushing mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

    The Wall Street Journal is a propaganda rag that protects the interests of the globalizers and the financializers and those who benefit from the monetary extremism of the Federal Reserve Bank.

    The Wall Street Journal is the enemy of White Core America.

    The Wall Street Journal has called for open borders mass legal immigration since long before the antipodean arseholes in the Murdoch Mob took that rump swab propaganda rag over.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Agree: Malcolm Y
  9. Jack D says:
    @well behaved

    It’s really amazing that her mother was so brazen as to sleep with a black man and still was able to cuck her husband. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. DNA testing has really raised the odds of getting caught. (It can also confirm paternity – when my daughter did a DNA test she turned up cousins from all 4 of her grandparents so my wife and I now both know that our parents are really our parents (or at least someone related to our parents, I suppose). OTOH, I suppose that unintended pregnancies are also rarer than in the past.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Scando
  10. Race, on the other hand, researchers say today, is a complex combination of factors from physical appearance to family stories and how people are treated as they move through the world.

    Wow, they even copied the tone the NYT uses when it writes about genes/race.

    From what I can tell, the WSJ has started recruiting young writers/staffers that are pretty far out of line politically with its audience. This article might be one of the first signs of that.

    I know a girl from my local spinning studio who worked for them last summer. Politically, she fell somewhere between Mayor Pete and Kamala Harris, and she fervently believed all the idpol talking points.

    All of this is going to come to a head eventually.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  11. JMR says:

    If race is unacceptable to the WSJ, then couldn’t they use ethnicity instead?

  12. In other words, for many people, it is in large part subjective, not measurable.

    Makes it difficult to imagine how successful race-baiting has been. The whole race-baiting brouhaha must have been figments in the imaginations of millions of people.

  13. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Amy Dockser Marcus

    Every single time

  14. “In other words, for many people, it is in large part subjective, not measurable.”

    So–Poof!!. No more “People of Kullah”, right?

    Wonder what MacArthur Genius T Coate’s take on this might be?

    More importantly, what’s Teeny Tiny Duckie’s take?

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
  15. Jack D says:
    @Altai_2

    This is stupid. Notice the use of the word “directly”. Anyone who pays for 23andme can download their DNA data and then re-export it to whatever app they want. The only way they could stop this would be by not giving you your data in which case no one would buy their service. All they did was make it more inconvenient for their customers to transfer their data. But I suppose a little inconvenience is nothing if it is for a good cause.

  16. Travis says:

    How can Blacks and Whites share 99% of our DNA when Caucasians are not even 97% Homo Sapiens ?

    Caucasians are a hybrid between two species of hominids and the typical European is over 3% Neanderthal while Negroids have zero Neanderthal DNA.

    Sub-Saharan africans are also not 100% homo-sapians. 9% of Blacks genetic ancestry comes from an archaic population that diverged prior to the split of Neanderthals and modern humans.

    The recent DNA evidence suggests that Blacks and whites are more different from each other than can be explained by race…we are actually hybrids of different species. Sub-Saharn Africans are 91% Homo Sapiens while Caucasians are 97% Homo Sapiens.

  17. The resulting genetic blueprint indicated that humans are 99.9% identical.

    The more similar things are, the more the difference becomes important.

    • Agree: BB753
  18. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    Race, on the other hand, researchers say today … and how people are treated as they move through the world

    The Relativity Theory of Race, now with added Lamarckism. By “researchers say today”.

    I’m starting to wonder whether there is a master plan to mix up the population expeditiously with mandatory adoption in a few years and some premature softening up is being performed. “Sure it’s your baby. 99.9% of it. Blank slate and all. Hey, at least it doesn’t look like a chimp (96% similar)!”

    So, Rachel Dolezal was right…..

    Yes. The nuclear mushroom hair says she black.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Jack D
  19. El Dato says:
    @Altai_2

    “What is an anonymous proxy server”

  20. PSR says:

    “how people are treated as they move through the world”

    Wow, how transcendent, man, how … heavy.

  21. El Dato says:
    @Jack D

    It’s a sweet danish baby.

    But it’s also prepared for Global Warming.

  22. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Here is Ms. Jacobsen as an infant. Her parents were from Denmark. Her mother was screwing around with a Bahamian mulatto. Who could have imagined that she had black ancestry? Impossible to tell from her appearance. Impossible I tell you.

    What must have Mr. Jacobsen said to his wife? “Honey, doesn’t this baby look a little………………….you know………………black. Are you sure it’s really yours?”

  23. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Clearly her husband forgave or had pre-approved her blatantly obvious infidelity, no mater what account is retroactively offered for contemporary media.

  24. @Jack D

    One woman wrote a memoir about her “racial plight”. Her mother cheated with some black & although a woman is rather obviously a mulatta (just look at photos with her half-brothers), she somehow managed to stay mentally white until her late 20s. That woman, weirdly enough, has a career in Russian studies & translated some Bashkir (sic!) poet who writes in Russian.

    I’ve read a few comments on her memoir here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41150384-when-i-was-white

    Generally, female commenters were something like: booohoo, she didn’t find her real father; male commenters were: c’mon, stop being drama queen & get along with your life.

  25. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis

    Razor Khan has noted how genetics moves so quickly that anything more than five years back can be discredited. They were still denying Neanderthal admixture in to the late oughts. The grudging acceptance of human evolution continuing past the last ice age is really only a decade old.

  26. @Prester John

    Wonder what MacArthur Genius T Coate’s take on this might be?

    What difference does it make now – he’s just another Person-Who-Thinks-He-Is-Black?

  27. In other News Of Diversity, wealthy Orinda CA just had a horrific shooting.

    Five people (and counting) died when Violence Broke Out at a pop-up Halloween party in an AirBNB mansion. The demographics are what you’d expect although the owner is Chinese-American.

    Does the gig economy mix together layers of society that would otherwise stay segregated?

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/11/02/orinda-day-after-halloween-party-shooting-kills-five-sadness-and-calls-for-action-around-the-bay-area/

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  28. Scando says:
    @Jack D

    The reverse occurred in my instance. I was born to a dark-skinned Armenian family but my tested biological father was a Vietnam-era Swede documented Green Beret who later went on to become a top tech exec and otherwise childless. He walked out on us just as his father, a chief mining engineer, had walked out on him. I could never tan the slightest, had platinum hair, blue-gray eyes and the rest imcluding an Unzian g iq. This led to considerable internal conflict due to the a’cuckment acknowledeged throughout my broader and highly accomplished faux relatives and my dad’s and our family’s very understandable response to that, such as refusing to teach me baseball and always placing me on the worst team despite my demonstrable talents and the fact dad ran the league. It worked out for me as I married a Norwegian and our beautiful, accomplished children took their mother’s surname.

  29. @bomag

    Hey, thanks for the tip, Bomag – big anniversary coming up, and I’m all about saving a buck, or 5,000 of ’em.

  30. Jack D says:
    @Monsieur Psychosis

    I’ve noticed that too. Increasingly there are reporters who move from the NYT to the WSJ and vice versa. They hire from the same pool and the articles are beginning to sound alike. If this story ran in the NYT it would have been no different.

    All the “race does not exist” people focus on edge cases and use them to deny the existence of the major thesis. When the reality is that edge cases are by definition exceedingly rare. There are a few 3 wheelers on the road, therefore cars and motorcycles don’t exist as separate categories. In the US due to the operation of the color line, most white people are 99% or better white. People like this woman, whose libertine alcoholic mother moved in the bohemian artistic circles of NY, where it was possible to screw around with black men without being disowned by your whole family, were once uncommon.

    This doesn’t apply in other places such as Latin America and the Caribbean. In the article they show a photo with a bunch of her newfound Bahamian cousins. All of them are blacker than she is, but they bear a strong family resemblance and some are only a shade or two darker and some are slightly more. Sometime the coffee has a little cream in it and sometime it has more. This is also common in American black families where in the same family people will be of various shades.

  31. syonredux says:
    @El Dato

    So, Rachel Dolezal was right…..

    Yes. The nuclear mushroom hair says she black.

    Give the gal credit; she put in a lot of hard work to achieve that racially ambiguous look:

  32. Jack D says:
    @El Dato

    Ironically, Dolezal is a skilled hairdresser and she was able to pull off her shtick partly for this reason. She has the skills to make anyone’s hair to appear to be of any race. Usually this is used to make black people’s hair more like white people’s but it can be done in the other direction.

  33. Race, on the other hand, researchers say today, is a complex combination of factors from physical appearance to family stories and how people are treated as they move through the world.

    Does this mean we all owe Elizabeth Warren a big apology?

    Yeah, I didn’t think so.

  34. @Travis

    How can Blacks and Whites share 99% of our DNA when Caucasians are not even 97% Homo Sapiens ?

    There’s a lot in the overall comment that’s ‘not even wrong’ but this is an interesting question. These sorts of things are actually not mutually exclusive; Greg Cochran explained it best in one of his podcasts with James Miller. On the segments that come from, say, Neanderthals, most of the actual DNA is the same as what it would be in a regular Homo sapiens segment (since they have common origins), but because of the few changes/mutations that are there, they can say, yeah, this entire segment came from a Neanderthal (100%).

    A good analogy is if you saw a passage from the New Testament describing the crucifixion, it would have a lot in common with any other version of the story. But you could still definitively say, “This is the version from Mark,” if you had a baseline to compare with and it matched.

    • Replies: @Julian of Norwich
  35. Barnard says:
    @bomag

    This is the Wall St. Journal, I would expect them to be better than the NY Times on this stuff not worse.

  36. Jack D says:
    @Travis

    Humans are 96% similar to chimps so 1% is a lot. A 4% change is enough to turn you into a monkey.

    This is all very deceptive. In the mammalian genome there is a bunch of “junk” DNA (which may not really be junk) that pads out your # of base pairs. This is somewhere between 75 and 90% of your genome so as little as 10% actually codes for proteins. Then there is DNA which all mammals need in order to code for molecules that are essential to mammalian physiology – hemoglobin, keratin, etc. which are going to be similar or identical in all mammals whether you are a human or a mouse. And we know that as little as a single incorrect sequence can cause major disease such as sickle cell disease or Tay-Sachs. Humans have 3 billion base pairs so a person with Tay-Sachs, who will die before age 4, is 99.999999999% identical to a normal human.

  37. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:

    The scientific establishment claims that blacks are “more human” than whites because blacks have no Neanderthal DNA. This deliberately ignores the fact that blacks have large amounts of DNA from primitive hominids, at significantly higher percentages than whites do and from hominids more primitive than Neanderthals.

  38. El Dato says:
    @Altai_2

    Further down in the Nature article:

    But the chorus of angry scientists on Twitter grew louder. Some echoed Vitti’s concern that the app could be abused. In his petition, Vitti noted that Bellenson lives in Uganda, where gay sex is punishable by life in prison. Vitti worried that regardless of the app’s scientific flaws, Ugandan authorities could get hold of a person’s results and use them as evidence of sexual preferences. Even in places where homosexuality is not a crime, LGBT+ people often face discrimination and harassment, says Vitti, who is gay.

    Others agreed. “A purported test for sexual orientation, particularly one with the scientific halo of genetics, poses a very real danger to queer people living under anti-queer governments or in places where anti-queer violence is widespread,” Jeremy Yoder, an evolutionary ecologist at California State University, Northridge, said on Twitter.

    There is something wrong about scientists worrying on Twitter about an Ugandan app that is essentially horoscope-tier leading to deadly problems for gays in Uganda.

    The only way to do good is to try to change the laws and traditions of Uganda. And more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice_in_Uganda

  39. Anon7 says:

    It’s hard to overestimate the stupidity of white people.

    She bought an African head wrap and skirt and wore the ensemble to a local cultural event, intending to show affirmation and celebration of her paternal ancestry, she said. She was taken aback when her son and some of her new relatives criticized her choice.

    smh*

    Her mother, Jytte Jacobsen, was a beautician whose alcoholism eventually prevented her from working. Jack Jacobsen, her father, was a sound engineer, who worked on the Oscar-winning movie “Apocalypse Now,” among others. Her parents had other relationships, she said.

    The couple went out frequently to jazz clubs and nightclubs, making a point to meet the performers after the show. The party often continued back at the Jacobsen home.

    smh*

    Ms. Jacobsen’s biological father wasn’t the man raising her. Her actual father was black…

    Ms. Jacobsen’s mother, upset, said it was possible. She pulled out a picture tucked inside a book. It was a publicity photo of a man, a dancer. The man was from the Bahamas, her mother said. His name was Paul. Ms. Jacobsen remembers thinking he had a beautiful smile…

    Her father dismissed the idea out of hand, telling Ms. Jacobsen it couldn’t possibly be true, and that she looked just like his own mother.

    smh*

    “I loved my father. He was the most important person in my life,” said Ms. Jacobsen. “I recognized that the only semi-stable person in the whole dynamic was my father, Jack, and I didn’t want to lose that.”

    smh*

    She told her family and close friends about the test results. When she “found out her father wasn’t her father, her whole life changed,” said Angelo Marfisi, Ms. Jacobsen’s husband of 34 years.

    smh*

    They filled in the personal details she craved. Her [biological] father liked to eat a spicy dish of pigeon peas and rice and spoke five languages. He played the conga drums and knew how to tune a piano. He had a temper but was also charming and a ladies’ man.

    * shaking my head

    • Replies: @El Dato
  40. Be as it may- these race obsessed people are complete nutcases.

    This Jacobsen woman is over 65. And now, all of a sudden, it’s drama of her identity. Well honey, most of your life is behind you & you’d better find something valuable for your future. It may be a shock to find that your mommy was a lying slut, but- this has nothing to do with who you are. A (wo)man is more than her/his ancestry.

    I’ve seen not few short videos on YouTube on these 23and me, ancestry, whatever…

    1. I’d say more than 90% of consumers are females. Fits perfectly with female narcissism & weak self consciousness.

    2. why do people, apart from very specific reasons (paternity, rare diseases, …) care so much about it? I understand curiosity & the attitude I’m-doing-it-for-fun, but anything more is rather weird. Probably, in many cases, this is similar to reincarnation regression stories: wow, in one of my former lives I’ve been Napoleon or Cleopatra, so this heightens my self- esteem.

    Other than that, i.e. mostly fun (or health etc.)- who cares about genealogy? You are who you are & not what your ancestors had been.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    , @Jack D
    , @Jane Plain
  41. Instead of ‘race’ we should just use the acronym for: “Whatever your call that thing where human populations have diverged as a result of various evolutionary adaptations to diverse environments.”

    Or…
    Wycttwhphdaaroveatde.

    The ‘whph’ is tricky unless you render the ‘ph’ as ‘f’ on which case it is no less wieldy than learning the pronouns for the 57 genders that have magicked themselves into existence recently.

  42. @Barnard

    The WS Journal is in favor of whatever is good for Big Business, Barnard. They keep track of the markets well, and can explain the next day, never the morning of, exactly why this stock did this, and hogs went down, and that investors were “profit taking”. I got sick of that newspaper in 1999 or so, when I understood that their stance on immigration was open borders.

    To add insult to injury, I’m pretty sure it was the WS Journal that started the stupid trend of saying something went “to X from Y” rather than in order. Everyone does that now, as Peak Stupidity elucidated in Taking the Wall Street Journal, ass-backwards. It went up to one dollar from 75 cents (see what I mean – NOW I’M DOING IT!), and I quit reading it cold turkey.

  43. @Anonymous

    Not only that. If we accept out-of-Africa, then:

    * there were various, certainly well differentiated homo sapiens sapiens groups even before ancestors of Caucasians & Asians moved c. 90,000 years ago. There certainly was no uniform homo sapiens even in south of Africa 200,000 years ago (I’m not talking about other hominids). Blacks or Negroes are a relatively recent development; as a race, they are “younger” than Caucasians & others.

    * what is “fully human”? If we look at correlation between those genes that are “responsible” (or shall be found to have a correlation with) civilization, arts,… – then I doubt that blacks/Africans will be found to have these genetic clusters/combinations in abundance. So, “fully human” metaphor can boomerang on them.

    * why would a wider variation of genotype be considered better? First, most of it is junk; and even in non-junky cases – why would it matter? Which are crucially “good” consequences of having a wider variety of genotype?

    Never mind…

  44. @Barnard

    OK, that last was more of a Charles Pewitt type reply – enthusiastic, correct, but not at all in synch with the discussion. You’d expect the WSJ to be PC nowadays. The are part of the ctrl-left establishment.

  45. El Dato says:
    @Anon7

    Everything becomes confusing when everything has meaning.

  46. Saxon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yet who your ancestors were seems to determine a lot when it comes to which countries are and are not, shall we say, shitholes, which seems to fall along real racial lines and doesn’t bode well for mixed-race countries.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  47. Jack D says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Genes have health implications. Completely forgetting about your ancestors, you can learn important health related information from a DNA test and in the future this will be only be more true.

    who cares about genealogy?

    Who cares about golf courses? Who cares about baseball? People have all sorts of hobbies and genealogy is not the worst one. Humans have been interested in genealogy since at least Biblical times.

  48. Pentheus says:

    There’s a Steely Dan song about this.

    Tearful reunion in the USA
    Day by day those memories fade away
    Some babies grow in a peculiar way
    It changed, it grew, and everybody knew
    Semi-mojo
    Who’s this kinky so-and-so?

  49. Hmmmm….maybe there is a pattern between the type of reporting we see in the NYT and WSJ, now that you mention it.

    Follow me, Jack. Do you think the fact that the WSJ reporter, Amy Dockser Marcus, spent nearly a decade “based out of Israel” has anything to do with this? Or is that just a “nothing to see here, goyem” tidbit?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @Jack D
  50. One of the things the Left does is to constantly refer to otherwise cut-and-dry, every-one-can-obviously-tell/see issues, is refer to those issues as “complicated”.

    If you point out that from 2005 backwards, people who woke up one morning and thought they were the Queen of England or Napoleon…or that they were a woman trapped in a mans’ body, they were considered mentally ill. Leftist respond with that fake (“I’m smarter than you) laugh, “uhm..I think it’s a bit more complicated [?] (uptalk) than that…”

    This is especially true when judgement might fall on the protagonist. An article about a woman’s divorce where she divorce-raped her husband and started to have threesomes, gets crafted into “Once Julie handled the sometimes messy, complicated issues surrounding divorce and custody” (translation, Julie is getting child support, but doesn’t have her children 90 percent of the month, so she can have group sex).

    With race it will be something like, “Heather’s complicated, multi-layered relationship with the black community presented challenging dynamics…” Translation: Heather is 3/4 white, but gets affirmative action as a full-on black…usually these types of editorial comments are followed by cliches/composites of the Left’s narratives, like “When I went to school, I just got called the N’word, it didn’t matter than my mother was white…”

    You can predict exactly how an article will be written to handle such stories and concepts. I always pictures some snooty white female writing these word plays.

  51. @Anonymous

    “The scientific establishment claims that blacks are “more human” than whites because blacks have no Neanderthal DNA. ”

    Prove it. Supply one member of the scientific establishment who says blacks are “more human” than whites.

    One quote.

    I don’t understand what Steve’s mocking amusement is with cases like this. He’s done this several times. The US has a one drop rule and only with blacks. I would guess that everyone who contributes here thinks that one drop of African blood makes someone black. Why all the laughter at this woman?

  52. @syonredux

    Rachel Doezel “fooled” everyone (blacks) because the dirty little truth is, she looks like millions of so-called “black women” walking around the country every day–and blacks know that is why she fooled everyone. If she had no been so bold, she could have gamed this out indefinitely for affirmative action bennies and instant hiring.

  53. @Bardon Kaldian

    “This Jacobsen woman is over 65. And now, all of a sudden, it’s drama of her identity. ”

    Yeah. She always knew that there was something amiss and wanted to settle things.

    “Well honey, most of your life is behind you & you’d better find something valuable for your future.”

    That’s exactly what she’s trying to do.

    ” It may be a shock to find that your mommy was a lying slut,”

    Would you say that to her face?

    I would have no problems telling you to your face that I think you are a total bastard. Actually, something worse than that but I won’t write it here, I’d save that for the face-to-face.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  54. @Saxon

    I understand this Darwinian line of thought- yet, don’t care about it. Barring a case of some hereditary diseases, I don’t believe (nor do I think there is enough proof ) that subjective sense of self, memory, identity, values, complete orientation in life- have much to do even with parents, let alone some distant ancestors.

    When one has a strong sense of personal self, all those games simply lose importance.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  55. Malcolm Y says:

    “how people are treated as they move through the world”

    They should have used: “You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension—a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You’ve just crossed over into the Genetics Zone.”

  56. @Jane Plain

    “Well honey, most of your life is behind you & you’d better find something valuable for your future.”

    That’s exactly what she’s trying to do.

    No, this is a miserable nonsense. Foreigners remain foreigners & that’s it.

    “The truth is that life is hard and dangerous; that he who seeks his own happiness does not find it; that he who is weak must suffer; that he who demands love will be disappointed; that he who is greedy will not be fed; that he who seeks peace will find strife; that truth is only for the brave; that joy is only for him who does not fear to be alone; that life is only for the one who is not afraid to die.”

    I would have no problems telling you to your face that I think you are a total bastard. Actually, something worse than that but I won’t write it here, I’d save that for the face-to-face.

  57. Anon[281] • Disclaimer says:

    Based on huge advances in genetic research, many scientists today believe there is hardly any connection between genes and race.

    With at least the one exception of the concrete fact that there is a diversity of quality (type) as well as quantity (0<% to upwards of 11 %) of hominid genetic admixture that varies rather strictly according to race / sub-race.

    A primary source of confusion being that we have been long forced to group according to nationality rather than race. Even within the broader White race, our stricter racial designations are mixed together in the same geographical territories.

  58. El Dato says:
    @Jane Plain

    I would guess that everyone who contributes here thinks that one drop of African blood makes someone black.

    LOLWUT

    Why all the laughter at this woman?

    Actually it’s a laughter at the War Street Journal which reveals the usual liberal obsessions about white people in danger of revealing their true NAZI FORM at the slightest possibility of “noticing”, an obsession likely patrolled by the editor and pressure groups with the editor’s cellphone number.

    This is done by publishing a story about a lady digging into her lineage, coming from the race angle, while reminding everyone in a must-read disclaimer that race “does not exist” (as authoritative sources say). It is “complicated” etc. etc.

    Like Soviet scientists trying to write something about electronic control systems at the time when Cybernetics was considered reactionary and incompatible with Marxism-Leninism.

  59. @Jokah Macpherson

    And, to continue your analogy, the differences observed in Mark’s account, though small, might still be of crucial importance. For example, if Mark had said Christ’s last utterance was “Father, these people are not worth redeeming”.

    Alternatively, looking at the question in quantitative terms. It is true that 99.9 is a bigger number than 0.1. However, this doesn’t justify the conclusion that a 0.1% difference in genetic inheritance is unimportant.

    Proponents of the concept of race might take as their starting point the claim that, as a matter of fact, there are important observed differences between racial groups. Hence, the small genetic differences between racial groups must be important.

  60. Anonymous[979] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai_2

    One thing that I find impossible to ignore in articles like this, is the depths to which “authorities” and “experts” will go to in order to single out Whites using left-wing dog whistles like “supremacist”. I’ve never seen any other race deal with in such a hateful way. Going by the level of propaganda in American popular culture, I would be surprised if less than half of blacks are not supremacists, whereas the actual white supremacist population of America must number about a dozen individuals, not counting FBI informants.

  61. El Dato says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Unfortunately you seem to be wrong.

    The mind is an assemblage a modules and how the modules interwork is highly dependent on “nature”:

    https://quillette.com/2018/09/25/forget-nature-versus-nurture-nature-has-won/

    via

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/blueprint-how-dna-makes-us-who-we-are-by-robert-plomin/

    Also, there is scant evidence that the “personal self” is working at the management level. There is good evidence that it’s just the memo, continually re-issued.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  62. El Dato says:
    @Julian of Norwich

    However, this doesn’t justify the conclusion that a 0.1% difference in genetic inheritance is unimportant.

    As we know, a single bit flip in an information processing system is the difference between success and mission failure.

    (So one uses a lot of tricks to make sure the single bit flip is detected/correct and voted away, but one never gains the comfort of basic linear physical system, which are the systems the human mind can mostly comfortably deal with)

    • Replies: @danand
  63. Race and ethnicity are overwhelmingly correlated with genetic ancestry in the United States. Recent, large-scale studies of ~11,000 cancer patients and ~202,000 military veterans found that individuals’ self-identified race and ethnicity showed 95.6% (cancer) and 99.5% (veterans) correspondence to genetic ancestry clusters.

    Yuan et al. (2018) Cancer Cell. 34: 549–560 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610818303799

    Fang et al. (2019) Am J Hum Genet. 105:763-772
    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(19)30338-6

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @res
  64. Jack D says:
    @Jane Plain

    Had not has. Now being black is so advantageous that people with zero black blood are pretending to be black.

  65. @Jane Plain

    Why all the laughter at this woman?

    It’s funny when a white woman starts wrapping her head in a diaper for her trips to Panera because she’s Newly Black. That it suggests something about the state religion’s main tenet that black bodies are so threatened by racist phlogiston that any sane person would hide such ancestry is a cheeky bonus.

    I would guess that everyone who contributes here thinks that one drop of African blood makes someone black.

    It would be a dumb guess. One of the points Sailer’s hammered home for years is that if anything, genetics research shows that the heuristics we use for determining whether someone is Diverse/Not Diverse turn out to be damn accurate. iSteve readers will probably not place many 1/32-Diverse people in the ‘loud at the movies’ bin, but I suppose as a bunch of gibbering racists we don’t have the wisdom of Ph.D. holders who profess that there’s no straightforward way to tell what race Wesley Snipes belongs to.

  66. danand says:
    @El Dato

    “As we know, a single bit flip in an information processing system is the difference between success and mission failure.”

    El Dato, similar to what can happen, or not, with the simple flip of a switch?

    “Boeing altered key switches in 737 MAX cockpit, limiting ability to shut off MCAS”

    trim

  67. res says:
    @Genome Voyager

    Thanks for those references!

    Figures 1D and 1E of the first give an interesting look at the race/ethnicity mapping for the study population.

    (D) Individual ancestry of TCGA patients inferred by STRUCTURE. Each color represents one of the ancestry reference groups. Each patient is represented by a column partitioned into different colors corresponding to the genetic ancestry composition. Patients are ordered following a hierarchical clustering by Ward’s methods on distance matrix calculated as cosine dissimilarity of genetic composition. SIRE and genetic ancestry categorization as estimated by EIGENSTRAT for each patient are shown in the same order at the bottom.

    (E) Three-dimensional visualization of reference populations with three patients (TCGA-06-0167, TCGA-PE-A5DD, and TCGA-VS-A9V2) used as examples for genetic ancestry (AA, EAA, and NA, respectively).

    It looks like much of the mapping failure is concentrated in the Hispanic group (see panel D).

    • Replies: @Genome Voyager
  68. gregor says:
    @Jane Plain

    The one drop rule was more of a social rule than a scientific position. In essence, the message was: “Once you go black, we don’t want you back.” It was intended to prevent miscegenation and make the gene flow go only one direction. And based on the DNA data on American Whites, it seems to have had the intended effect.

    People try to present mixed race people as some sort of hopeless puzzle for the racialist worldview, but it really isn’t. Your ancestry is whatever it is. Someone who is part white and part black is … part white and part black. They have a mixed ancestry, with ancestors from both continents. Why is this so hard to understand?

    • Agree: Rob McX
  69. Jack D says:

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    Upton Sinclair said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  70. @Barnard

    Wokeness has taken over business media now as well, Forbes has a writer that unapologetically took the side of Oberlin College over the local bakery in that lawsuit. Journalism schools keep moving further and further left with time, so the profession is becoming more and more uniformly left wing with time as older journalists retire.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  71. @Julian of Norwich

    Proponents of the concept of race might take as their starting point the claim that, as a matter of fact, there are important observed differences between racial groups. Hence, the small genetic differences between racial groups must be important.

    Indeed.

  72. @El Dato

    This all sounds like a shallow speculation. What could a gifted individual, like Michelangelo, profit by knowing DNA of his parents? Or an average offspring of, say, Mozart?

    Nothing.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  73. Moses says:
    @Travis

    The point that different human races share 99.9% of DNA is misleading.

    Humans share 96% of DNA with chimpanzees: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/8/chimps-humans-96-percent-the-same-gene-study-finds/

    Humans share 70% of DNA with this slimy marine worm: https://www.livescience.com/52843-acorn-worm-genome-sequencing.html

    Most DNA is for encoding proteins or whatever that are common to all organisms, hence the 70% overlap between human and worm DNA.

    If humans and chimps differ in 4% of their genome, and human races differ in 0.1% of their genome, then the % genome difference between human races is 0.1%/4% = 2.5%.

    2.5% is plenty for massive difference, especially if asumming it’s in the important bits.

    I bet different dog breeds share 99.9% of their DNA too, but we all know that a border collie is way smarter than a basset hound.

  74. @Travis

    How can Blacks and Whites share 99% of our DNA when Caucasians are not even 97% Homo Sapiens?

    Because blacks and Neanderthals also share a lot of DNA.

    Consider that we share over 90% of our DNA with chimpanzees, and chimps are 0% Homo Sapiens.

    • Replies: @Travis
  75. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:

    All books in the English language are composed of the exact same letters of the alphabet, arranged in mostly all the same words, so the government which finances education should demand schools use cheaply printed out of copyright or open source books and never expensive textbooks written by the professors who make their own books mandatory. By Jove, I think I’ve got it!

  76. The WSJ has been trending increasingly pc for years. During “Obama’s” first term, it ran a story on “food deserts,” whose author (a reporter) acted as though this were something whites “did” to blacks.

  77. Travis says:
    @International Jew

    Until a few years ago, scientists thought that most of our differences came from small changes in our DNA. The idea was that every 1000 letters or so, you and I have a different letter. These 6 million differences made me distinct from you.

    But over the past few years, scientists have started to notice changes where big chunks of DNA are repeated. Or missing.

    As they looked harder, more and more of these changes became apparent. As of November 2006, more than 600 of these CNVs had been identified that covered 104 million DNA letters (called bases). That’s 4% of our DNA!

    Now a new paper in the journal Nature shows there are even more than this. The researchers found 1447 of these big changes that spanned 360 million letters. Now we’re up to 12% of all of our DNA.

    And because of how they did the work, this is probably an underestimate. In other words, even more of our DNA probably has changes like these.

    A lot of this repeated DNA includes genes. Which means people not only have differences within their genes, but also in the number of their genes. We are definitely not as alike as the leftists want you to believe.

    https://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news38

    • Replies: @res
  78. slumber_j says:
    @Anonymous User

    Amy Dockser was in I think the class ahead of me at Harvard. Jews who attended Harvard and similar schools are very, very common on the reporting side of both the WSJ and the NYT. Not a monoculture by any means, but still…

  79. @Julian of Norwich

    Biochemistry is completely over the heads of jackasses who prattle about how “everyone’s genome is n per cent identical. You know what? Carbon monoxide is almost exactly the same as carbon dioxide, and helium is the same as hydrogen except for one measly electron in each atom: what’s the point focusing on the minute differences?

    Imbeciles.

    • Replies: @res
  80. Jack D says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    The CBS Sunday Morning had a piece about the Gibson’s Bakery lawsuit yesterday, presented by Ted Koppel (BTW the Sunday Morning show is clearly aiming at the old people market – the host is Jane Pauley). Maybe with that audience in mind, the piece was clearly slanted in favor of the Gibson family. Koppel confronted the current black president of Oberlin and asked her how much was her reputation worth? They interviewed Gibson II and he cried on camera as he recounted how his father, Gibson I had fallen when he went outside to check on an intruder (possibly related to the bakery case) and was in the hospital and they though he was dying and he cried out that he didn’t want to go to his death as a known racist when it was against everything he had ever done. Then they said that Gibson II was himself dying of pancreatic cancer and he was in effect speaking about himself.

    If there is anything the MSM knows how to do, it is how to slant a story. This was really masterful propaganda because on the surface Oberlin has nothing to complain about – they presented both sides and didn’t come out and say that Oberlin is evil, but by the end you knew who were the good guys and who were the bad guys.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oberlin-college-and-gibsons-bakery-a-protest-against-racism-and-a-31-5-million-dollar-defamation-award/

    I have to say that the evidence against Oberlin is really weak that they truly endorsed or sponsored the protest. One major item of evidence was that one of the protest leaders emailed the Oberlin dean of students and asked, “If I bought gloves for the protesters (it was winter) could I get reimbursed from the student fund and the dean wrote back “OK”. That didn’t seem like $31,000,000 worth of endorsement to me.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  81. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous User

    Both the NY Times and WSJ are located in NY. In case you haven’t noticed, there are a lot of Jews in NY. Many NYT and WSJ reporters are Jewish (and many aren’t). Most of them (including, increasingly, WSJ reporters) are liberals. Not a lot of conservatives in Manhattan. The woke idea that “race is a social construct” is very popular nowadays among white liberals of all religions. It appeals to their blank slate ideology. If Amy was an Episcopalian Harvard grad instead of a Jewish Harvard grad, she would have written the exact same article. I don’t think she brought any uniquely Jewish sensibility to it at all.

    A lot of people here (apparently including you) have trouble distinguishing between Jews and Leftists. Not all Jews are Leftists and not all Leftists are Jews. The Ven diagram circles overlap but not fully. It really doesn’t add anything to the discussion to point out the rather obvious fact that Amy is Jewish as if this was some great shocking new revelation. There are Jews in liberal circles in NY? I’m shocked, shocked. When did this happen? When did they start letting Jews in the NY Times newsroom? 1896 you say? Oh, then never mind.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  82. It’s the two drops rule. Any organization that is two drops Jewish will, sooner or later, become left-wing.

  83. res says:
    @Travis

    Thanks. The big problem with that article is that it is from 2006. Which is an eternity in genetic research.

    First, let’s chase down the two references. It looks like both end up referencing this paper.

    Global variation in copy number in the human genome (free full text)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2669898/
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature05329

    Abstract
    Copy number variation (CNV) of DNA sequences is functionally significant but has yet to be fully ascertained. We have constructed a first-generation CNV map of the human genome through the study of 270 individuals from four populations with ancestry in Europe, Africa or Asia (the HapMap collection). DNA from these individuals was screened for CNV using two complementary technologies: single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) genotyping arrays, and clone-based comparative genomic hybridization. A total of 1,447 copy number variable regions (CNVRs), which can encompass overlapping or adjacent gains or losses, covering 360 megabases (12% of the genome) were identified in these populations. These CNVRs contained hundreds of genes, disease loci, functional elements and segmental duplications. Notably, the CNVRs encompassed more nucleotide content per genome than SNPs, underscoring the importance of CNV in genetic diversity and evolution. The data obtained delineate linkage disequilibrium patterns for many CNVs, and reveal marked variation in copy number among populations. We also demonstrate the utility of this resource for genetic disease studies.

    Figures 7 and 8 look at the variation with respect to Europe/Africa/Asia. Figure 7 shows that they can identify ancestral populations at this level using only CNVs.

    That looks convincing. And the paper has been cited over 2700 times!

    Is anyone here familiar with more recent research in this area. In particular, looking at how CNVs vary across population groups?

    I found this 2015 paper interesting:
    Global diversity, population stratification, and selection of human copy number variation (free full text)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4568308

    Two particular points of interest were:

    Differences in DUF1220 copy number between populations (see Table 3). DUF1220 (aka Olduvai): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUF1220 has been connected with intelligence.

    And

    However, we find that the proportion of human variation that can be ascribed to CNVs rather than to SNVs is greater among non-Africans than among Africans. The biological significance of this difference should be interpreted cautiously and will require association studies to determine its relevance to disease and other phenotypic differences.

    I find that extremely intriguing and wonder what it means practically speaking.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  84. res says:
    @Autochthon

    And let’s not even talk about protein chirality/enantiomers. Those really are exactly the same in chemical composition–just mirror images.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry)#In_biochemistry

  85. ic1000 says:

    >Based on huge advances in genetic research, many scientists today believe there is hardly any connection between genes and race.

    Uh huh.

    Since I know how to use Google (!!), I input the query “SNP PCA Europe”. One of the many relevant results was an 11-year-old 21andMe blog post, A Different Kind of Gene Mapping: Comparing Genetic and Geographic Structure in Europe: The Return!. On the one hand, 23andMe is woke, but on the other hand, they do have to keep one foot in the real world, selling a service to customers and all that.


    Caption: “Figure 1: The genetic map of Europe using PCA, with the geographic map of Europe for reference. Figure 2: The same map, but zoomed in on Switzerland. Swiss individuals tend to cluster with countries that speak the same language.”

    Oh, but Europe- (Asia-, Africa- Americas-) wide data are about ethnicity, not race!

    Uh huh.

    Asking Google “SNP PCA continental”, one of many relevant hits is this 2017 biorxiv upload, describing an improved method called t-SNE that reduces the distorting effect outlier samples.


    Caption: “A comparison of three different low-dimensional display of 1000 Genomes Projects data with 3825 SNPs. The number of samples (dots) is 2504, with 661 AFR (African green), 347 AMR (American, orange), 504 EAS (East Asia, purple), 489 SAS (South Asia, blue), and 503 EUR (European, red). (A) PCA (PC1-PC2); (B) PCA (PC2-PC3); (C) t-SNE (1-2); (D) t-SNE (2-3).”

    Principal Components Analysis (PCA) must be one of those tricksy gimmicks that Denialists use to muddy the waters of Science.

  86. @res

    A few comments regarding your response to my initial comment (and one other interesting detail):

    1. In the 2018 Yuan et al. paper where they analyzed cancer patients, they only measured the correspondence between self-identified race and genetic ancestry. They left ethnicity, ie the Hispanic group, out of their analysis. This makes perfect sense when you consider that Hispanic is a pan-ethnic label that encompasses groups with very different ancestries, eg Puerto Ricans versus Mexicans. Consistent with this, and as you very correctly point out, you can see that the Hispanic group is more broadly distributed along the STRUCTURE plot in Figure 1D.

    2. But the 2019 Fang et al. paper actually included a Hispanic group in their analysis, and they were still able to very accurately map them to an ancestry cluster. How can this be? Well, it turns out that the power and resolution of these new analyses rests on the marriage of principal components analysis (PCA) with machine learning clustering. PCA is used to characterize genetic ancestry at a much finer level of resolution than what you can see in the STRUCTURE plot, where there are only four ancestry components shown. In other words, the ancestry of each person is modeled as a combination of four ancestry fractions. Fang et al. used the first 30 principal components with their machine learning algorithm, so each person is modeled as a combination of 30 ancestry components. This is far more detail than they eye can make out (eg you can only visualize 3 principal components in Figure 1A of the Yuan et al. paper), but the machine learning algorithms can of course handle it. When you analyze 30 ancestry components, you can make out more subtle differences such as the difference between British versus Spanish European ancestry and/or the difference between Native American ancestry from Mesoamerica (seen in Mexicans) versus the Amazon (seen for Puerto Ricans). This level of resolution allows for distinction of Hispanics from self-identified whites even when they have very similar continental ancestry fractions (European and Native American).

    3. One final caveat regarding Steve’s point about Obama is that the ancestry clusters identified by these methods are, for the most part, not coherent or ‘pure’ (for lack of a better term) ancestry groups. The specific ancestry groups can actually be quite spread among the ancestry components, as would be the case for African Americans (including Obama) and Hispanics, but they are nevertheless captured as clearly distinct by machine learning on multiple principal components.

    4. Finally, there is an interesting nugget buried in the details of both the Yaun et al. and Fang et al. papers. There is in fact one particular US population group in these two cohorts for which there is little or no correspondence between self-identified race/ethnicity and genetic ancestry – Native Americans. Yuan et al. show that self-identified Native Americans have an average of 22% Native American ancestry, substantially less than what is typically seen for Hispanics. Fang et al. were not able to accurately map Native Americans to a distinct ancestry group. For these cohorts, most individuals that identify as Native American have far fewer Native American than European ancestors.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @res
  87. ic1000 says:
    @res

    [res to Travis: “The big problem with that article is that it is from 2006. Which is an eternity in genetic research.]

    All it takes is a calibrated Mark I Eyeball to see that various ethnic and racial groups are mostly similar to one another (two legs, one nose, etc.), and also significantly different from one another (appearance, short-burst speed, endurance, alcohol sensitivity, malaria resistance, etc.). As one pre-genomics example, Gwern kindly posted the PDF of Freedman and DeBoer’s 1979 survey of inter-group behavioral differences of newborns. It’s enough to know that humans are a species like other vertebrate species, and that humans’ genes are inherited the same as every other vertebrate’s genes — unless you’re a Creationist, nature (genes) must have important effects on individuals and on breeding populations. Same as for nurture (environment) and for nature-nurture interplay.

    Applying standard analytical techniques to common Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms yields results that are in agreement with the point, e.g. the 2006 figure linked to in this upthread comment.

    Copy Number Variation is a separate feature of the genome that seems to be mostly orthogonal to allelic differences detected by SNP assays. It’s fascinating but not shocking to discover that CNV may be more important, in terms of causality.

    I’m certain that this new information will have no impact on the protective stupidity displayed by these WSJ reporters and their brethren at the NYT, The Atlantic, and Scientific American. With the new, woke Nature and Science now cheerfully on board, as well.

    There’s a lot of ruin in a nation, as somebody said once.

  88. @Jack D

    Maybe with that audience in mind, the piece was clearly slanted in favor of the Gibson family. Koppel confronted the current black president of Oberlin and asked her how much was her reputation worth? They interviewed Gibson II and he cried on camera as he recounted how his father, Gibson I had fallen when he went outside to check on an intruder (possibly related to the bakery case) and was in the hospital and they though he was dying and he cried out that he didn’t want to go to his death as a known racist when it was against everything he had ever done. Then they said that Gibson II was himself dying of pancreatic cancer and he was in effect speaking about himself.

    We now know that, on occasion, from a media standpoint, aging white pancreatic cancer sufferer and small time bakery owner > middle-aged black woman chancellor of well-established liberal arts college with a ~$1b endowment. That’s an almost impossible standard for most whites who are involved in disputes with blacks, over accusations of racism against the former, to meet.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  89. Jack D says:
    @Johann Ricke

    I agree with you, but if CBS was run by current year Wokists (e.g. if Jane Pauley and Ted Koppel were 29 instead of 69 and 79) they would have just ignored the story at best or else spun it completely in the other direction. From the POV of Wokists, if the Little Guy is an evil white dude, his evil racisness would overcome any natural sympathy for him as a little guy. Indeed it did in the minds of the demonstrators. That a large institution tried to crush him is only fair and proper and the deserved fate of all fascists. That little shop owners who are eeevil white men get steamrollered by the government, by large institutions, by rich POCs, by internet mobs, by mobs of demonstrators, etc. is good thing as far as they are concerned – that’ll teach ’em not to be racis’.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  90. ic1000 says:
    @Genome Voyager

    Great comment, thanks for writing up your insights. The power of the Fang et al. approach (30 PCs & machine learning) is surprising to me, given that race/ethnicity largely is a social construct, especially when one takes a very granular look. E.g., per what you wrote, one individual with 10% Native American ancestry might be a reservation-dwelling tribal leader, while another might be an Oklahoma City ‘white’, surprised by his or her 23andMe report.

    And “Hispanic” seems like a Census Bureau category that was purpose-built to defy objective analysis.

    • Replies: @Genome Voyager
  91. Brutusale says:
    @well behaved

    The more things change…usually with parentheses involved! Note the provenance of the owner.

    https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2017/05/25/lynnfield-murder/

    FWIW, I’m sitting in a coffee shop in Lynnfield typing this.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  92. res says:
    @Genome Voyager

    Thanks! I have not read these papers closely so have missed some of the details. In particular, I completely missed 4.

    Do you have access to Supplementary Material for these papers? I didn’t see anything especially interesting in the Yuan et al. SM, but was unable to find a free copy of the Fang et al. SM seen at
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002929719303386
    If you have seen those, was there anything worthwhile?

    Regarding 2., I was surprised they saw benefit going from 20 to 30 PCs:

    Comparing the assignment using 30 PCs versus 20 PCs revealed a discordance rate of 1.3%. This level of consistency is not surprising, because as higher PCs tend to describe finer-level populations structure, they are less informative for the four major HARE groups.

    I wonder what exactly they found in PCs 21-30 offering discriminating power. I wish they had said something about the composition of that 1.3% discordance (or did they? your point indicates some specifics). In the Thompson thread I mentioned Figure S7 from https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/07/20/166298.DC1/166298-1.pdf
    which is a heat map of the first 40 UKBB PCs by country of origin (along with ethnic background of each country). I wonder what a similar graphic for the Fang et al. 30 PCs grouped by declared race/ethnicity would look like.

    P.S. Worth noting that Obama is a somewhat atypical African American given that his African half came directly from Kenya. Your point 3. still stands, but I think applies more strongly to African Americans as a group.

    • Replies: @Genome Voyager
  93. It is indeed quite interesting that they get additional resolution from those last 10 PCs, given how fast the fraction of variation explained typically falls off with each new PC. I read a recent paper where they classified structure of white British in the UK Biobank using the first 100 PCs – seems like overkill but who knows when you are getting down to very fine levels.

    FYI – you can find free copies of many scientific articles on sci-hub https://whereisscihub.now.sh/ The Fang et al. paper available there (but no Supplement). I had a look at the Supplement and there is no figure like the one you found for the UK Biobank. They do show a Table with the correspondence between self-identified race/ethnicity and ancestry for a subset of the data, which doesn’t add much other than showing the dispersal of self-identified Native Americans among ancestry groups. [I can’t figure out how to add images to comments like you do]. The rest of the Supplement mainly concerns exploring parameter space for various models and GWAS settings (important but not super illuminating).

    With respect to Obama, I agree that his African ancestry is certainly not typical of African Americans’ given that his father was from Kenya. I had a look on Google and found that his father was from the Luo tribe, which is part of the Nilo-Saharan language family. In this comprehensive paper on African genetic diversity, you can see that the Nilo-Saharan populations are clearly distinct from the West African populations that were linked to the trans-Atlantic slave trade https://elifesciences.org/articles/15266. Good point! Nevertheless, the African ancestry component is so distinct compared to the European and Native American components, that it probably wouldn’t matter for the purposes of classifying African descendants as distinct from other groups in the US using machine learning (PC1 would drive the vast majority of the signal there).

  94. @ic1000

    With respect to the question of whether race is a social construct … as a famous politician once said “it depends on what the meaning of is is”. Lol (sorry). The issue is a complicated one (obviously). Race can be considered as a social construct given that there are a socially agreed upon set of criteria that we use to assign individuals to racial groups (or that individuals use to self-identify). People define these criteria, so they are socially constructed sensu strictu. These criteria can change from one group to another, as you allude to, and they can change among different countries. So the criteria are not set in stone, and they include cultural and other non-genetic attributes. But historically, these criteria have focused primarily on visible traits that are markers of ancestry, and for this reason they co-vary with genetic diversity. In this sense, the assertion that race is a social construct cannot be taken to mean that it is unrelated to genetics, as it too often the case. It is clearly highly correlated with genetics. This has important implications for biomedical research and for clinical practice.

    Ethnicity is a different matter, depending on your definition, and I tend to think of it in terms of the OMB definition as a marker of shared culture (Hispanic origin specifically). The history of the adoption of the use of the term ‘Hispanic’ in this regard is enlightening. There is a book called “Making Hispanics” by G. Cristina Mora that explains how the creation of this pan-ethnic label was an intentional decision by bureaucrats and activists in the 70s to create a new unified group to consolidate power an influence. It was quite controversial at the time, and many distinct Hispanic populations pushed back against this, but the label was ultimately adopted, and one could argue, changed the course of US history. You can see a similar dynamic playing out these days, where groups that are currently classified as white want to create their own officially recognized groups. The previous administration set the wheels in motion on this (see https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/omb/fedreg_race-ethnicity), but it has not been adopted by the current administration.

    • Agree: ic1000
  95. Harold says:
    @Whiskey

    How many wives do you have?

  96. @res

    I tried to respond to your comment yesterday, but my response went to the general thread. You can see my response as comment #94

    • Replies: @res
  97. @Brutusale

    This is perhaps the single best example of how the F.U.S.A. is now just a tacky shopping mall. Everyone involved: the Honduran bastard pretending to be too poor to afford a tombstone yet torn about which designer sneakers to wear to a drunken party it’s admitted was driven to while smoking marijuana and driven from whilst drunk, with two bastards of his own; the Jews pretending to be a Russian who also pretended Italy was unsafe so they just had to move along to America, where their son sold sketchy electronics with pirated software before deciding to rent his home to debauched Negroes because they were “well dressed” and paid him tons of money – a thing he regularly does, staying with his parents while the bedrooms of his children are doubtless used for sexual escapades and liaisons to smoke weed and snort cocaine, and his refusal to accept the shadiness of al this even after it leads to shootings that rock the previously safe, quiet community where white people raised families…it’s prostitution metastasised into every aspect of life.

  98. res says:
    @Genome Voyager

    Thanks for checking the Fang et al. SM. I knew about Sci-Hub, but missed the Fang et al. paper there because I usually use Libgen to access Sci-Hub and Libgen had not added the paper yet.

    [I can’t figure out how to add images to comments like you do]

    To add an embedded image just include the link. I’m not sure what the exact rules for surrounding text are, but I usually include the link on a line alone with a blank line above (and below if there is text following).

    The important things to get right are:
    – The link has to end in an image suffix. I believe jpg/jpeg/gif/png all work. svg does not.
    – No extraneous text at the end of the link (e.g. size specifiers).
    – The image has to really be an image. For example, Wikipedia has image links which are named like images but actually reference their viewer showing an image.

    What I usually do is find an image online then right click on “open image in a new tab” and keep doing that on successive tabs until I get a bare image (sometimes it is necessary to look at the page source). Than edit away any extraneous text at the end of the link and double check that that version of the link still works in a browser. Then paste that link into the Unz Review comment. You should see the image after you Publish Comment (but Preview can be intermittent? did not work for me with the test image below just now). But if you then edit your comment the image will not appear in the result (just for you, it works fine for others or if you open another window on the page).

    P.S. Thanks for that OMB link.

  99. Saxon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    An individual may not, but future generations profit by knowing where these people came from, and preserving the genes like them. If we’re to look at the groups that have done well over 90% of these great, it’s quite obvious that they’re from specific parts of the world and from specific genetic populations that match.

    The difference between living in an Iceland or a Honduras seems to be caring about this kind of thing.

Current Commenter
says:

Leave a Reply - Comments are moderated by iSteve, at whim.


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS