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Retired Social Democrat central banker Thilo Sarrazin, author of the enormous bestseller Germany Abolishes Itself about the effects of German immigration policy, gave an interview to Zeit offering the following advice (awkward translation by Google Translate):

Sarrazin calls drastically restricting the asylum law

Only political persecution and genocide are regarded as grounds for asylum, calls for the ex-politician in TIME. Refugees from the Balkans should be deported immediately.

A sizable fraction of the “Syrian refugees” appear to be Muslim Kosovars from peaceful but poor Kosovo.

Sarrazin’s graph- and stat-heavy book sold 1.2 million copies in Germany, but of course it has never been published in the U.S. And Sarrazin speaks English at least as well as First Lady candidate Columba Bush, but nobody in the American media has sought his opinion on what’s happening in Germany.

Back in 2011, Ed West wrote in the Telegraph about a Christopher Caldwell piece in The Spectator on Sarrazin:

‘Germany Abolishes Itself’ – the publishing sensation that challenges Europe’s diversity consensus

By Ed West, January 17th, 2011

The great Christopher Caldwell (regular readers will remember he wrote a book, which I might have mentioned only 185 or 186 times, called Reflections on the Revolution in Europe) has a piece in The Spectator about the German publishing success story of the epoch, Deutschland schafft sich ab (“Germany Abolishes Itself”) by Bundesbank governor Thilo Sazzarin.

To call it taboo-breaking would be an understatement. It would be like a late Victorian novel that featured graphic scenes of masturbation, lesbianism, and inter-racial sex, all of them involving members of the Royal Family. As Caldwell writes of Germany (and Europe’s) strangulated non-debate about multiculturalism:

Today, though, this limited scope for public discussion stymies the tiniest steps to fix problems that have been obvious in other countries for decades. You cannot say that Germany’s asylum policy draws idlers as well as refugees. You cannot say, as Sarrazin discovered during his time as a ‘finance senator’ in Berlin a few years ago, that welfare payments are more than sufficient to feed and shelter all but the most extravagant poor person, and ought to be reduced. Sarrazin apparently came to believe his country was dying of its etiquette, and spoke up. “I don’t have to respect a person who lives off the state while expressing contempt for it,” he said in 2009, ‘who doesn’t plan for the education of his children in a rational way, and is constantly producing new little headscarf girls.”

More daring, Sazzarin even declares: “In hindsight the guest-worker immigration of the 1960s and ’70s was a colossal mistake.”

Caldwell himself pushed the terms of debate with his 2009 book, which argued from a rational, moderate and humane viewpoint, and looking from a historical perspective in particular, that mass (rather than elite) immigration in Europe came with far larger costs than benefits. But why are we afraid of discussing it? It is not just decency or fear of offending people, nor of blood in the streets or a return to Fascism, but, as Sazzarin points out, vested interests. Caldwell writes: “He notes that ‘a host of integration specialists, Islam scholars, sociologists, political scientists, and activists, and a raft of naive politicians work hand in hand, and tirelessly, on belittlement, self-deception and denial’.

“That is why Sarrazin has struck a nerve in areas that go far beyond immigration and poverty policy. The regime of euphemism has not just led to mistakes. It has also empowered a class of so-called Gutmenschen in government and the academy. If Sarrazin is right, then much of what they have lately done is not just misguided but, however good their intentions, corrupt. They are fighting with considerable skill for their political lives. Sarrazin’s few political defenders, meanwhile, tend to have one thing in common — they are retired.”

Gutmenschen. What a wonderfully apt term for the self-righteous public servants for whom diversity really is enriching. …

So we either “celebrate” diversity, or get put out of business; but if something has to be enforced by law, then it can’t really be called a celebration as such. Is it any wonder people across Europe are rejecting “diversity”, if it comes at the cost of freedom, and requires a standing army of Gutmenschen to govern our lives? And they are rejecting it. As Caldwell writes: “A decade or so from now, Germans will be surprised that they ever looked on Sarrazin’s observations as anything but common sense. And that will be true whether they act on them or not.”

 
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  1. Gutmenschen.

    As always Germans get the best words. I already see some applications for it in local civili war of emotions. Facts doesn’t work anymore.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    The Romans had a word for the same scum that destroyed the republic "optimates" .

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

  2. “Sarrazin speaks English at least as well as First Lady candidate Columba Bush, but nobody in the American media has sought his opinion on what’s happening in Germany.”

    Including you Steve.

  3. Germany manages to be the economic powerhouse of Europe while allowing its workers to work some of the lowest hours. The influx of the refugees is supported by a conservative Chancellor, the heads of German industry and some 60% of the German population. This is a population which already has decades of experience with the results of a previous influx, of Turkish workers so they can’t be accused of naïveté.

    Sure, all of them could be wrong but, given their record of success, you’d need some pretty strong reasons to think you know better, right? Note that you don’t have this problem when it comes to the UK or the U.S. — there is no popular support for allowing vast numbers of Syrian/Afghan/Iraqi refugees.

    Maybe you’re just wrong about the implications of this for Germany.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Vinay

    "Sure, all of them could be wrong but, given their record of success, you’d need some pretty strong reasons to think you know better, right? Note that you don’t have this problem when it comes to the UK or the U.S. — there is no popular support for allowing vast numbers of Syrian/Afghan/Iraqi refugees."

    Vinay is just trolling, so let me simply observe that we have our Mexican and Central American "refugees" in equal or greater numbers. They have to be in near walking distance. That's the whole point.

    , @Stan D Mute
    @Vinay


    The influx of the refugees is supported by a conservative Chancellor, the heads of German industry and some 60% of the German population.
     
    1). I don't believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.

    2). Given the situation in the EU, those millions of Arabs invading Germany will have unfettered access to every other EU member nation. So Germany is, unilaterally, admitting a small Arab nation into the EU. It doesn't appear that folks in England or Hungary are on board with this. I doubt the Swiss want several million Arabs to come visit either. In fact, Germany seems the only EU member willing to allow this. Yet all Europe will suffer the consequences.

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

  4. Blue eyes are found at such extremely low rates among the Syrian people, that even White Latin Americans have a higher percentage of blue eyes than Syrians. And that says something because a lot of Latin Americans who self identify themselves as White have some Sub Saharan African and or Amerindian DNA in them.
    http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4581457/1/

  5. The ‘Madness of Queen Merkel’ is reminding me more and more of the madness of peak Gorbachev.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    'Peak Gorbachev', of course, refers to the time when that ill-starred and luckless man was at the height of his pomp - and busily engaged in destroying his nation and his party.
    Basically it means the preter-human knack of always but always making not just the wrong but the catastrophically wrong decision whenever a decision needs be made. Oh, and also, the automaton like wooden headed determination to keep to that wrong decision, no matter what, convinced as you are (mistakenly) of your own abilities and the need to show to the world that you are 'tough'.

    Replies: @Lugash

  6. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n18/slavoj-zizek/the-non-existence-of-norway

    It’s sad when even Slavoj Zizek’s analyses look sensible compared to the mainstream.

  7. Sarrazin. Is that related to Saracen? If so, how ironic.

  8. Every country should be able to handle a certain but sensibly limited amount of racial and religious “diversity”, but the catastrophe that is now the middle east is not the West’s burden.
    I wept when I saw that poor Syrian toddler face down on the beach. The culture and mindset of the people of the middle east is so deeply corrupt and immoral that a psychotic group like ISIS is able to run amok in their land.

  9. That was why I raised the issue the other day about the former German Prime Minister coming out and declaring the guest-worker experiment with Turkish workers had been a “great mistake.” It turns out to have been Helmut Schmidt, now in his late 90’s but still clear thinking—and still smoking. I posted articles from 2004 (when he was a young man of 86). So we have had instances of knowledgeable Germans whose sage advice is totally rejected by the current ruling class. Back in 1968, former Conservative MP Enoch Powell was raising prophetic warnings about the influx of blacks and Asians from former Empire countries coming to England, and he was read out of the Conservative Party by Edward Heath. So the warnings have been there; they just aren’t heeded. BTW I would remind you that Sweden changed its immigration laws in 1974. That’s 41 years ago. So these instances of insanity can last a very long time. And I would also point out that the very liberal Jew Theodore H. White, whose own parents had emigrated to the U.S., stated in the last of The Making of the President series, “America in Search of Itself” (published in 1981), that he thought the Immigration Act of 1965 was a terrible mistake for the U.S. So that makes a leading opinion-maker from Britain, the U.S. and Germany clearly warning of the dangers and being totally ignored.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @tbraton


    It turns out to have been Helmut Schmidt, now in his late 90′s but still clear thinking—and still smoking.
     
    Smoking and hoarding 200 cartons of menthol cigarettes at age 92. He is an iron man. Born with an iron constitution.....
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/10/helmut-schmidt-hoarding-menthol-cigarettes (amusing article)

    Replies: @tbraton

  10. OT

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/10/head-of-chechnya-republic-demands-judges-who-banned-islamic-work-be-punished

    “Kadyrov took to Instagram to condemn a decision made in August by a court in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk in the far east of Russia to ban a work of Islamic literature called Supplication (Dua) to God: Its Meaning and Place in Islam.

    According to a copy of the decision published by the online channel LifeNews, judge Natalya Perchenko ruled the work extremist because it included passages from the Qur’an “about the superiority and privilege of a person or groups over other people on the basis of their race, nationality or religion”, a decision that would ban it across Russia under controversial extremism laws.

    Kadyrov called Perchenko and the state prosecutor “national traitors and devils” and said the decision must be reversed or he would deal with them personally.

    “I demand a harsh punishment for the provocateurs who made this court decision and tried to blow up the situation in our country,” he wrote on Instagram. “If they don’t deal with them in the proper legal way, they will make me a criminal first of all. I personally CALL them to answer, because for me there is nothing higher in this life than the Qur’an.” “

  11. And Sarrazin speaks English at least as well as First Lady candidate Columba Bush

    Is this to say barely or not at all?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    I don't know.

    Replies: @eah, @IA

    , @a reader
  12. In what could be an eerie coincidence, just last night I was wondering, “Why doesn’t someone ask that guy, what’s his name, Thilo Sarrazin, to comment on this?”

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think many of these comments are framing this refugee question wrong. All kinds of comments about challenges or problems associated with opening the door to a large influx. But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.

    I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant. I would also include not only Barak Obama, but no fewer than 6 of the present candidates for U.S. President, all sons of immigrants. http://www.pri.org/s…2016-candidates

    Who is to say what greatness may rise from future generations of these refugees? Some see problems, I see opportunity!

    It’d be nice if we could chill it a bit with the blatant Islamophobia. The US and Australia’s Christian values don’t seem to be doing much to motivate them to charity either. It’s politics, not religion, which is the sticking point.

    • Agree: Luke Lea
    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Anonymous

    "But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them."

    It's all about the numbers, Swiggy P. A very small fraction have the "minds, ideas, and talents" you are talking about and that small fraction is needed far more desperately in the undeveloped societies from which these economic "refugees" are fleeing. For a true moral vision you should perhaps widen your focus?

    , @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Uh, no. Religion IS the sticking point. If all immigrants give up their religion, I would chill, but there are these rising crimes in Europe committed by Muslim men (a few women) who refuse to integrate/assimilate, etc. that are worrying a lot of people who have to pay for the migrants' welfare eventually.

    Wars, beheading, burning people alive, rape, throwing acid on school girls, executing people in Europe by Islamists, Sunni vs. Shia endless mutual self-destruction (if only!), Sunni against all other religions in the middle east, the obsession of going back centuries in the Muslim states is the cause of "legitimate" Islamophobia. After WW2 ended: "the war to end all wars" was a nice slogan until it wasn't.

    You know, if the Lakota, Blackfoot, Dine, Crow could kick all of us "uhmericans" out of the USA & Canada, they would...at least the Buffalo have been restored somewhat, rivers are fairly clean in most reservations...they don't need us.

    Lastly, Steve Jobs was not an immigrant and only half Syrian. And, like dude, he grew up in CA. Basically, near SV where all the cool things were happening with computers.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Bill B.
    @Anonymous

    You know I think you are absolutely right!

    There would have been nothing like a massive influx of refugees from a distant region arrogantly demanding entry to unit the disparate people of Syria.

    , @Jefferson
    @Anonymous

    "I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant."

    Steve Jobs was half Syrian, but he was adopted and raised by Northern European Infidel parents. So Steve Jobs was about as culturally and religiously Muslim as Bob Newhart, which is to say he had a very culturally Western upbringing.

    Even Hussein Obama is more culturally Muslim compared to Steve Jobs. After all he lived many years in Indonesia, which is the nation with the largest Muslim population in the world.

    , @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Why aren't these "minds, ideas and talents" making their own lands literal heavens on Earth instead of the ratholes they are?

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it’s there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn’t lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    • Replies: @Salty
    @Anonymous

    Would you say those migrations had a net positive effect on the Native American and Aboriginal populations?

    You're an idiot.

    , @Luke Lea
    @Anonymous

    "Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!"

    Culture matters: https://goo.gl/q18ekk

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    Replies: @Bad memories

    , @Big Bill
    @Anonymous

    @14: Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?

    Of COURSE we "get it", silly! We landed in Massachusetts, lied to the Indians about our intentions, got them to feed us and clothe us in our first few years, and then did what every other right-thinking, normal, healthy human population has done throughout history: we CONQUERED them, drove them off their lands, and imposed our culture, religion, laws and values on the few that remained! And that includes the land you are standing on right now!

    And the Muslims, being right-thinking, normal, healthy human beings, given half a chance, will do exactly the same, as humans have done since the beginning of time! And (like the Indians, once they finally woke up) we will fight them tooth and nail to keep our own from being genocided.

    We get it. We really, really do. So why don't you?

    , @Richard
    @Anonymous


    Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!
     
    What a clown you are. Whites in North America and Australia have always understood that the mass migration of Europeans into those places meant the displacement, if not destruction, of those indigenous cultures. Everybody knows that what was good for "us" was terrible for them, and there is no one better at calling white people wicked than other white people.

    What I and others don't get is why, with the tragic example of the Americas and Australia in front of you, you would want to repeat that except this time stick it to the Europeans? A lover of humanity would look at history and realize it's time to call an end to the ethnic cleansing of homelands. Guy Herbert just sees it as a practice run.
    , @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!
     
    The Europeans went to New World lands, displaced the locals and created a new civilization. If I recall the locals did in fact put up resistance, but far too late to have an effect. They allowed too many Europeans to land on their shores, and once established the Europeans proved to much for the natives.

    Similar events have occurred throughout history as one group invades and displaces another. And in some cases the invader wins, and in other cases they lose. But in all cases the defender does put up resistance and doesn't just hand over the keys to the kingdom. IIRC the muslims can usually be counted on to put up fierce resistance towards any newcomers moving into their areas. Just ask the French or English.

    Why should the Europeans of today be any different? Why should they not put up any resistance to newcomers moving into their turf? Why should contemporary Europeans repeat the mistakes of the New World natives?

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Sheesh! What a marooon! Guessing you never heard of The Indian Removal Act of 1830, Trail of Tears, Manifest Destiny, Wounded Knee, Red Cloud, Chief Joseph, Geronimo, or even Billy Jack, for Custer's sake...I could go on but won't since you sir, do not know history (well, at least Native American history) or world politics past or present...and, you're obviously humorless which is a pity.

    , @Dennis Dale
    @Anonymous

    I love when lefties show up in a place like this and express shock at the "veiled racism". This is quite open and unapologetic racism. We don't accept your premises on what racism means and what its effect is, neither do we share your selective outrage that excuses the bloodthirsty bigotry of your definition of racism's "victims" only to explode upon encountering such horrors as whites complaining about being overrun by hostile, racist outsiders intent on destroying their communities.
    You're right about Lebanon and Turkey--but what are they doing with those refugees? They're housing them in tent cities with the expectation they'll go home or move on--to Europe, for example.
    As for our elite breaking the Mid East through serial aggressions, whose idea was that? After being misled into W's Iraq War, the people haven't had much to do with our elite's meddling. They have foisted on us a fait accompli. We should reject it. Those same Middle Eastern states that refuse to help are as or more complicit--the more complicit the more they refuse to help, as in the case of Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran.

    , @Polymath
    @Anonymous

    "Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?"

    Oh, we get it all right, exactly because of what happened to the Penobscot and Chickahominy.

  15. The German media are probably more left-wing and PC than the American variety, if that’s even possible. Nonetheless, there are stories like this one from Der Spiegel:

    Sarrazin even has some supporters among immigrants in Germany. On the third floor of the Emil Krause Gymnasium in Hamburg, German teacher Manfred Jäger is asking the class to quiet down. His students are between 17 and 19 and hope to graduate this year. Most of them support Sarrazin and his ideas. “He’s right about many of the things he says,” says Depak, who is from Afghanistan, noting that many immigrants are criminals and take advantage of the social welfare system.

    ….

    Click on the link and read the whole thing – it’s worth it.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The 'Madness of Queen Merkel' is reminding me more and more of the madness of peak Gorbachev.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ‘Peak Gorbachev’, of course, refers to the time when that ill-starred and luckless man was at the height of his pomp – and busily engaged in destroying his nation and his party.
    Basically it means the preter-human knack of always but always making not just the wrong but the catastrophically wrong decision whenever a decision needs be made. Oh, and also, the automaton like wooden headed determination to keep to that wrong decision, no matter what, convinced as you are (mistakenly) of your own abilities and the need to show to the world that you are ‘tough’.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Anonymous

    When was Peak Dubya?

  17. September 11, OT —

    On 9/11 — seventy-four years ago — a highly intelligent American hero gave this speech, touching on things that continue in our time:

    (He is also on record warning our people about populations from the lower latitudes overrunning our living space.)

    There is no substitute for rational thinking.

  18. “You cannot say that Germany’s asylum policy draws idlers as well as refugees. You cannot say, as Sarrazin discovered during his time as a ‘finance senator’ in Berlin a few years ago, that welfare payments are more than sufficient to feed and shelter all but the most extravagant poor person, and ought to be reduced.”

    I love schnorrer stories (“schnorrer” is a Yiddish word referring to a beggar with a lot of chutzpah – if you don’t know what that is, read on). I can’t wait for the Muslim equivalent from Germany:

    A schnorrer came as usual to the home of a wealthy man, expecting his usual generous charity. The wealthy man said “I’ve had some business setbacks – I can only give you a quarter.”
    The schnorrer said “Why should I suffer because of your misfortune?”

    A schnorrer came to the back door on his biweekly rounds.
    “I haven’t a penny today,” apologized the lady of the house. “Come back tomorrow.”
    “Tomorrow?” frowned the schnorrer. “Lady, don’t let it happen again. I’ve lost a fortune, extending credit.”

    A schnorrer knocked on the door of the rich man’s house at 6:30 in the morning.
    The rich man cried “How dare you wake me up so early?”
    “Listen,” said the schnorrer, “I don’t tell you how to run your business. Don’t tell me how to run mine.”

  19. In the Atlantic is an interesting piece on Hitler. Interesting, because it describes his ideology as contrary to nationalism. I find that on topic, because Germans are mortified to become like 70 years ago again, a reason a lot of them don’t want to consider his book. All the while Mr Sarrazin actually is the opposite of Hitler: He doesn’t want the Germans to subdue other races, as Hitlers ultimate goal was. Sarrazin wants to prevent the Germans to be subdued.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/hitler-holocaust-antisemitism-timothy-snyder/404260/

  20. iSteveFan says:

    A sizable fraction of the “Syrian refugees” appear to be Muslim Kosovars from peaceful but poor Kosovo.

    Maybe the Serbs can get some payback for Germany’s role in the Kosovo affair of 1999. Just pay to help as many Albanians as possible move to Germany. Forge documents for them if necessary. Then in a few years the Serbs might be able to get a numerical majority again in Kosovo to more easily retake it. Given the small population of Kosovo it really wouldn’t be inconceivable since Germany seems willing to take so many.

    Though I hate this immivasion about as much as anyone, if it is going to happen, and if Germany is going to lead this suicide, then I’d view it as poetic justice if at least the Serbs could benefit by emptying the Kosovars onto Germany.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Doing population forecast you have to look at fertility in addition to migration.

    total fertility rate (wikipedia 2013 numbers):
    kosovo 2.2 slightly above replacement rate
    serbia 1.3 below replacement rate

    Replies: @iSteveFan

  21. The ‘guest worker’ program may have been a mistake but at the time it was implemented obtaining German citizenship was almost impossible for these, mostly Turkish, workers. I think it was Helmut Schmidt that liberalized the rules that allowed these ‘guest workers’ to become German citizens and for much the same reasons behind the 1986 US amnesty for illegal aliens. They were here, had started families and their children knew no other nation.

    There has never been a more misguided and destructive policy than the willingness of governments to allow influential businessmen to import foreign labor. Be it American cotton growers, British textile mill owners or the German auto industry catering to the transitory need of business for cheap labor has always proven to be a horrific mistake.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @unit472

    You've got it right. The problem with mass immigration is that it's supported by both the lefty Gutmenschen AND the right-wing business types who swear they'll go broke without imported cheap labour, never mind the long term consequences.

    , @tbraton
    @unit472

    "There has never been a more misguided and destructive policy than the willingness of governments to allow influential businessmen to import foreign labor. Be it American cotton growers, British textile mill owners or the German auto industry catering to the transitory need of business for cheap labor has always proven to be a horrific mistake."

    Don't forget the French: "over the last two hundred years, France has received more immigrants than any other European country. By 1930 in fact, France had a higher percentage of foreigners in its population than the United States." http://campus.murraystate.edu/academic/faculty/tsaintpaul/immig2.htm

  22. @iSteveFan

    A sizable fraction of the “Syrian refugees” appear to be Muslim Kosovars from peaceful but poor Kosovo.

     

    Maybe the Serbs can get some payback for Germany's role in the Kosovo affair of 1999. Just pay to help as many Albanians as possible move to Germany. Forge documents for them if necessary. Then in a few years the Serbs might be able to get a numerical majority again in Kosovo to more easily retake it. Given the small population of Kosovo it really wouldn't be inconceivable since Germany seems willing to take so many.

    Though I hate this immivasion about as much as anyone, if it is going to happen, and if Germany is going to lead this suicide, then I'd view it as poetic justice if at least the Serbs could benefit by emptying the Kosovars onto Germany.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Doing population forecast you have to look at fertility in addition to migration.

    total fertility rate (wikipedia 2013 numbers):
    kosovo 2.2 slightly above replacement rate
    serbia 1.3 below replacement rate

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    Doing population forecast you have to look at fertility in addition to migration.
     
    But due to Germany's graciousness, the Kosovar emigration rate could quickly overwhelm their fertility rate and make them lose people in that area faster than the Serbs who have a lower TFR. The thing the Serbs have to worry about is if their own people get the idea that moving to Germany is a good idea.
  23. Refugees from Kosovo make no sense.

    It is a virtual European protectorate, ruled ultimately by a handful of European bureaucrats and politicians. It is also the home of the biggest US military facility in all of South Eastern Europe, Camp Bondsteel.

    Further, we placed a militant Muslim terrorist in charge of the internal security apparatus of Kosovo who is responsible for atrocities elsewhere in Yugoslavia in the 1990s and for supporting the further cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo.

    No Muslim Kosovar should be permitted to escape and invade the rest of Europe.

    They have made their bed.

    Let them lie in it.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Big Bill

    Kosovo of course is a prime example of a 'country' taken over by fecund illegal migrants, albeit over decades.

    Is it possible that some future America government will bomb France to force it to quit Marseille?

  24. I would guess that the business lobbies’ desire for more worker- and consumer-units is a much more powerful driver for mass immigration than the self-interest of professional do-gooders. There’s more money in big business than there is in the diversity outreach bureaucracy or whatever. It’s better to be Carlos Slim than to be Michelle Obama. But then again, the multiculti bureaucrats/academics/activists have more of a direct hand in government policy, whereas the private sector has to exert its influence indirectly through lobbying and political contributions.

    In any case, there is a complementarity between the Cheap Labor Lobby and the Do-Gooder Industrial Complex. It’s a public-private tag team against middle-class citizens and traditional self-government.

  25. Sarrazin’ s Gutmenschen has its direct English translation: Do-Gooders.

    Wake up, Americans: “Syrians,” supposedly “refugees” but no one in Government actually checks who they are or what their bona fides, if any, might be – “Syrians,” hand-picked to deploy for their part in Jihad-by-Hijra by the Moslem-run UN that we Americans had so powerful a voice in electing, are already here in what’s left of what’s left of what used to be our United States, and our Dear Rulers tell us there are More To Come: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2015/09/07/syrians-st-louis-refugee/71862690/

    Here’s the St. Louis Do-Gooder Refugee Resettlement Racket outfit raking-in our taxpayer dollars to Import The Third World: http://www.iistl.org/

    Has anyone else noticed that not one organ of Enemedia-Pravda has ever questioned the wisdom or utility of Importing Islam’s Jihad-by-Hijra? If you pay attention, all you ever see and hear from Enemedia-Pravda is How Good Importing Moslems is for us – never so much as the slightest hint of any downside for us.

    Ever noticed that Gutmenschen/Do-Gooders have one overweening trait? Smugness. Absolutely bulletproof smug.

    Face it: We Americans live increasingly under government of Other People, by Other People, for Other People. And if you Americans don’t like it, you’re officially obligated to feel ashamed. And if you dare to say out loud that you don’t like it, then some member of the Speech Nazi Gestapo or their Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police Junior G[estapo]-Persons will publicly crowd-shame you on social media, resulting in your sacking and immiseration, you Filthy Disgusting Embarrassing Racist Nativist Doubleplus Ungood Xenophobe Thoughtcriminal, you.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, our Do-Gooder Dear Ruler-Bunglers have smugly made damned sure that, fourteen years after Islam’s 9-11 Jihad Mass-Murders, Islam is winning. Hands-down. Instead of successfully spreading Jeffersonian Democracy to the Oppressed Islamic World by “Fighting Them Over There Instead of Over Here” and thereby “Keeping Us Safe & Free,” our Do-Gooder Dear Ruler-Bunglers have ramped-up and re-ramped-up their Import The Islamic Jihad-by-Hijra into our midst.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Auntie Analogue

    "Ever noticed that Gutmenschen/Do-Gooders have one overweening trait? Smugness. Absolutely bulletproof smug."

    You are so right about that. Rachel Maddow is a perfect example. There's something sophomoric about it that I don't quite understand. Or maybe it's about being cool and "in." Smugness loves company. Yeah, that's it. These people are psychologically insecure. They want to be accepted by their friends and colleagues more than anything else. But then you could say that about most people. So then it comes down to what's fashionable? Fashions change, however. Which means we need new fashion leaders. Maybe Steve will become fashionable.

    , @Crassus
    @Auntie Analogue

    According to The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, aristocratic Romans in the period of Rome's downfall often favored social signaling over their nation's safety. Edward Gibbon's theory and analysis seems quite relevant for understanding the culture of elite Americans and Europeans in 2015.

    One difference is that liberals in the time of the late Roman empire were only willing to gamble with the welfare of their nation when they refrained from defending their homeland refugees from barbarian lands. Today there are well-connected liberals whose sound like they are willing to gamble with the fate of all of humankind in order to show how liberal and elite they are: “The cliche of being invaded by aliens was not really on our minds. But the thinking was that the silence in the skies might be because alien civilizations are hiding from us, and that it might be stupid to attract attention."

  26. I don’t think there could be a lot of Kosovars among “Syrian refugees”, at least according to pictures. Most of the refugees look very dark skinned. Kosovars are white, they aren’t any darker than Greeks, Italians or Spaniards, and I don’t believe you could easily confuse them. Most of the people on pictures look even darker than what I imagined to be a typical Syrian. My guess is that there is a lot of people from Bangladesh, Pakistan and North Africa among them.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Tomi

    "I don’t think there could be a lot of Kosovars among “Syrian refugees”, at least according to pictures. Most of the refugees look very dark skinned. Kosovars are white, they aren’t any darker than Greeks, Italians or Spaniards, and I don’t believe you could easily confuse them. Most of the people on pictures look even darker than what I imagined to be a typical Syrian. My guess is that there is a lot of people from Bangladesh, Pakistan and North Africa among them."

    I am not surprised at the darkness of the Syrian refugees. Syria is geographically located closer to Pakistan than they are to Poland for example. I wasn't expecting these masses of Syrian refugees to be as pale skin and blue eyed as the German Steve Sailer.

    , @Sean
    @Tomi

    There were a lot of Kosovars anyway, they were 30% of asylum seekers in Germany during the last year, and they probably have a good chance to get asylum without pretending to be Syrian. A reporter on the BBC said everybody knows that Syrians get imediate permission to stay six months. There are Africans claiming to be Syrian.

    Its an old trick http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13709814.Asylum_seeker_evicted_and_faces_deportation_after_his_accent_is_doubted_by_Home_Office/

    Accent is only way to tell a Syrian from an Algerian. He Said all his papers were destroyed in the bombings.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked

    Replies: @eah

  27. If they are Kosovar Albanian Muslims, it’s bad news for the Germans. They ethnically cleansed Kosovar province of Serbs, Hungarians and other non-Muslims under the watchful eye of American armed forces. Given half the chance they will start ethnically cleansing Germany of Germans.

    Oh yeah Kosovar is a major transit hub for drug distribution among other things for organized crime. You can bet money that the crime rate in Germany will explode.

    Couldn’t happen to a better people.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @rod1963

    Yes, Germans will leave their cities, as in London, which has the same population but half the indigenous residents as a couple of generations ago. The cities are where the big money is, so they will be favourable situated.

  28. @Anon
    And Sarrazin speaks English at least as well as First Lady candidate Columba Bush

    Is this to say barely or not at all?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @a reader

    I don’t know.

    • Disagree: IA
    • Replies: @eah
    @Steve Sailer

    Sarrazin kann ja Englisch, zum Beispiel:

    FRANCE 24 The Interview - Thilo Sarrazin, German politician and writer

    Scroll ahead to approx the 1m mark. It is not too difficult to find videos of him speaking English, which he does well enough, albeit with a rather thick accent.

    One on one with Dr Thilo Sarrazin

    , @IA
    @Steve Sailer

    Sorry, Steve. I'm not disagreeing with you not knowing something, although you certainly know a lot. When I touch a reply on my iPad Gen 2 the screen goes blank (sometimes) and I have to blindly touch again to see anything. I must have hit the disagree button.

  29. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    Would you say those migrations had a net positive effect on the Native American and Aboriginal populations?

    You’re an idiot.

  30. Funny, but when I studied German in college around 1975, our textbook featured a “Gastarbeiter” I believe from Turkey named Ali. I guess at the time it was already considered enlightened to acknowledge Ali and his efforts to learn German. Now, of course, perhaps they have their own “enclaves” and social support agencies where there is no need to speak German.

  31. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    'Peak Gorbachev', of course, refers to the time when that ill-starred and luckless man was at the height of his pomp - and busily engaged in destroying his nation and his party.
    Basically it means the preter-human knack of always but always making not just the wrong but the catastrophically wrong decision whenever a decision needs be made. Oh, and also, the automaton like wooden headed determination to keep to that wrong decision, no matter what, convinced as you are (mistakenly) of your own abilities and the need to show to the world that you are 'tough'.

    Replies: @Lugash

    When was Peak Dubya?

  32. World’s Leading Expert on Muslims in Germany

    He’s a financial expert, not much else. He shares some of your views about Islam & so he’s an expert on “Muslims in Germany” for you? That says more about you than him.

    A sizable fraction of the “Syrian refugees” appear to be Muslim Kosovars from peaceful but poor Kosovo.

    That’s not in the article you linked to. Even if some Kosovars would try to pass as Syrians, most of them wouldn’t stand a chance, since they don’t speak Arabic. & what do you call a “sizable fraction”? Numbers? Just weaselling?

    Refugees from the Balkans should be deported immediately.

    That’s what largely already happens for most Balkan countries because they were declared safe. I already mentioned it here in the comment section. Kosovo is an exception, but is on the way to be declared safe as well. Even though that’s not yet the case, most Kosovars’ asylum applications are rejected & they’re sent back.

    BTW, most of Sarrazin’s statements from that article are actually supported by a sizable fraction in the German government coalition.

    BTW 2, his views about Turks in Germany seem to have been formed by what was going on in Berlin during his time there. In most other German cities Turks do not pose as much of a problem as in Berlin.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @bossel

    " In most other German cities Turks do not pose as much of a problem as in Berlin."

    Just one statement that shows that you are either completely clueless about the situation in Germany or that you are deliberately trying to spread disinformation.

    Sarrazin's book became a bestseller for a reason. Most Germans so far didn't speak up about the desastrous immigration policies of the FRG for a number of reasons, but that doesn't mean that most of them don't know what's going on.

  33. “A decade or so from now,” let us hope. A generation or two from now and it will be too late.

  34. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Doing population forecast you have to look at fertility in addition to migration.

    total fertility rate (wikipedia 2013 numbers):
    kosovo 2.2 slightly above replacement rate
    serbia 1.3 below replacement rate

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Doing population forecast you have to look at fertility in addition to migration.

    But due to Germany’s graciousness, the Kosovar emigration rate could quickly overwhelm their fertility rate and make them lose people in that area faster than the Serbs who have a lower TFR. The thing the Serbs have to worry about is if their own people get the idea that moving to Germany is a good idea.

  35. @Vinay
    Germany manages to be the economic powerhouse of Europe while allowing its workers to work some of the lowest hours. The influx of the refugees is supported by a conservative Chancellor, the heads of German industry and some 60% of the German population. This is a population which already has decades of experience with the results of a previous influx, of Turkish workers so they can't be accused of naïveté.

    Sure, all of them could be wrong but, given their record of success, you'd need some pretty strong reasons to think you know better, right? Note that you don't have this problem when it comes to the UK or the U.S. -- there is no popular support for allowing vast numbers of Syrian/Afghan/Iraqi refugees.

    Maybe you're just wrong about the implications of this for Germany.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Stan D Mute

    “Sure, all of them could be wrong but, given their record of success, you’d need some pretty strong reasons to think you know better, right? Note that you don’t have this problem when it comes to the UK or the U.S. — there is no popular support for allowing vast numbers of Syrian/Afghan/Iraqi refugees.”

    Vinay is just trolling, so let me simply observe that we have our Mexican and Central American “refugees” in equal or greater numbers. They have to be in near walking distance. That’s the whole point.

  36. @Anonymous
    I think many of these comments are framing this refugee question wrong. All kinds of comments about challenges or problems associated with opening the door to a large influx. But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.

    I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant. I would also include not only Barak Obama, but no fewer than 6 of the present candidates for U.S. President, all sons of immigrants. http://www.pri.org/s...2016-candidates

    Who is to say what greatness may rise from future generations of these refugees? Some see problems, I see opportunity!

    It'd be nice if we could chill it a bit with the blatant Islamophobia. The US and Australia's Christian values don't seem to be doing much to motivate them to charity either. It's politics, not religion, which is the sticking point.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Lagertha, @Bill B., @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    “But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.”

    It’s all about the numbers, Swiggy P. A very small fraction have the “minds, ideas, and talents” you are talking about and that small fraction is needed far more desperately in the undeveloped societies from which these economic “refugees” are fleeing. For a true moral vision you should perhaps widen your focus?

  37. iSteveFan says:

    Somewhat OT, but today is 9-11, and what happened 14 years ago today precipitated our Iraq Attack of 2003 and the follow on actions in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Which of course has now led to the latest islamic invasion of Europe. Does anyone wish we could just go back in time and leave Saddam, Murbarak, Gaddafi and Assad ALONE? Heck knowing what we know today, I’d have actually supported arming those guys to keep the lid on. I wonder what the architects of that policy think now. I remember General Odom calling the 2003 invasion the worst strategic blunder in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

    If this were a sane country calling oneself a neocon would be as toxic as claiming to be a communist or nazi. The neocons would be purged from any position of responsibility and our leaders would not seek their advice. Unfortunately they seem as entrenched as ever, and the guys like Buchanan who correctly predicted this disaster are the ones in the wilderness.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan

    I complained and shouted as much as possible that going to Iraq was utterly stupid and useless to boot. The US also had a chance to snuff-out OBL in Tora Bora (I suggested using a heat sensing H bomb; less fall-out) to end that chapter....but no. Of course, the only people who would listen were my family members!

    , @D. K.
    @iSteveFan

    Cast your memory back a tad further: last month was the 25th anniversary of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The P.R. campaign for what became the Persian Gulf War included the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States appearing before a Congressional panel-- not as herself, but instead while claiming to be a Kuwaiti hospital volunteer who had witnessed Iraqi war crimes (most famously the "ripping" of newborn premies from their incubators, so that those machines could be shipped back to Iraq as war booty). The Congressional pannel, led by Holocaust survivor Tom Lantos, somehow managed to overlook that the ambassador's lovely daughter, despite being a supposed Kuwaiti volunteer, spoke flawless English-- with an obvious American accent, no less! (Her father, a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, had been posted in Washington for nearly a decade, as of the time of her testimony, so she had lived there since she was a young child.) The P.R. campaign was financed by the Kuwaiti government, but orchestrated by P.R.-powerhouse Hill & Knowlton, for a fee reported to be well over $10,000,000. The incubator story is generally considered to have been the most potent public propaganda in support of an American invasion, and the young royal's Congressional testimony, which was both unsworn and brief, brought that infamous atrocity tale to the American public in living color, complete with female tears.

    Absent the 1991 Persian Gulf War, following President George H. W. Bush's famous "backbone transplant" at the hands of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the previous summer, both American and world history likely would have taken wildly different paths from what they have, with no 9/11 attacks, and no boundless "War on Terror" justification for the emergent police state, in America and elsewhere. If W. and JEB's old man has any conscience left, in his current dotage, it should be waterboarding the man's soul, until the day that he dies!

    Replies: @tbraton

    , @Beach
    @iSteveFan


    Somewhat OT, but today is 9-11, and what happened 14 years ago today precipitated our Iraq Attack of 2003 and the follow on actions in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Which of course has now led to the latest islamic invasion of Europe. Does anyone wish we could just go back in time and leave Saddam, Murbarak, Gaddafi and Assad ALONE?
     
    Why stop there?

    From a 1983 Chicago Tribune editorial by Raymond Coffey entitled “Lebanon: Knowing when to ‘fold ‘em’”:


    "The United States obviously cares about what is going on here. Witness the U.S. Marines living in the mud around Beirut International Airport and the mighty, and mightily expensive, naval armada on station off Lebanon’s coast. The purpose is, as Reagan keeps saying, to give the Lebanese government, or what passes for a government in a small section of the country, time and opportunity to establish genuine Lebanese sovereignty over Lebanon. But do the Lebanese really care? Well, they say they do."


    "Not a day goes by without people getting killed for simply belonging to the wrong sect or faction or clan or whatever. Yet no one seems to do anything about it except blame the other guy and look out for No. 1."


    "In the meantime, while the American Marines are getting shot at regularly and living in uncomfortable combat conditions at the airport, you can see Lebanese soldiers – unarmed soldiers – strolling downtown streets, window shopping, sipping coffee in cafes, pausing to get their boots shined. There are plenty of Lebanese living a very tough life, but there also are plenty of them cramming the downtown streets shopping."



    How different will this 32-year-old scenario be from Syria, if American soldiers continue to be incrementally dripped in, Vietnam-style? Why should the West countenance American and British soldiers losing limbs and getting their heads blown off while Merkel’s foster sons are strolling European boulevards, dining in cafes with benefit money, and harrassing European women? It’s clear that those entities, both foreign and domestic, that profit in some way from endless expenditure of Western blood and treasure down the Middle Eastern rathole will never see a reason to end it.

    Seamus Hughes of the Program on Extremism at George Washington University, which tracks ISIS’s social media gadflies and propagandists as well as recruiters and foreign fighters, agreed that Hussain deserved targeting because he had put U.S. troops’ personal information online with a call to assassinate them.

    “There is always going to be another more important target, but his removal from the battlefield is a win for the good guys,” said Hughes, a former Senate investigator who recently left the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center.
     
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/annoying-deadly-debate-killing-isiss-twitter-tough-guys/story?id=33603248
  38. “American Media Uninterested”: and that is why I’m loving Trump. If nothing else, if he begins to lose support, I think he’ll go explicitly after the media elite and actually spell out what’s going on.

    On that note, I’ve been waiting for him to name names, like Mark Zuckerberg, but I think he’s got that “reveal” in his bag and will indeed pull it and others out if he needs to. I mean, most Fb users have no idea how MZ is using the dollars they created for him to stab them in their backs.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @e

    Trump has already called out Mark Zuckerberg and his personal senator, Marco Rubio.

  39. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    “Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!”

    Culture matters: https://goo.gl/q18ekk

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    • Replies: @Bad memories
    @Luke Lea

    Genes, on which culture builds and selects, are probably more important.

    In any event, you cannot restore sight to those who do not want to see.

    Perhaps they can reflect on what happened to Elin Krantz

    Trigger warning! Do not follow that link if you think that immigrant criminality could not be worse than native criminality, although it does remind one of events in Knoxville.

  40. @Auntie Analogue
    Sarrazin' s Gutmenschen has its direct English translation: Do-Gooders.

    Wake up, Americans: "Syrians," supposedly "refugees" but no one in Government actually checks who they are or what their bona fides, if any, might be - "Syrians," hand-picked to deploy for their part in Jihad-by-Hijra by the Moslem-run UN that we Americans had so powerful a voice in electing, are already here in what's left of what's left of what used to be our United States, and our Dear Rulers tell us there are More To Come: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2015/09/07/syrians-st-louis-refugee/71862690/

    Here's the St. Louis Do-Gooder Refugee Resettlement Racket outfit raking-in our taxpayer dollars to Import The Third World: http://www.iistl.org/

    Has anyone else noticed that not one organ of Enemedia-Pravda has ever questioned the wisdom or utility of Importing Islam's Jihad-by-Hijra? If you pay attention, all you ever see and hear from Enemedia-Pravda is How Good Importing Moslems is for us - never so much as the slightest hint of any downside for us.

    Ever noticed that Gutmenschen/Do-Gooders have one overweening trait? Smugness. Absolutely bulletproof smug.

    Face it: We Americans live increasingly under government of Other People, by Other People, for Other People. And if you Americans don't like it, you're officially obligated to feel ashamed. And if you dare to say out loud that you don't like it, then some member of the Speech Nazi Gestapo or their Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police Junior G[estapo]-Persons will publicly crowd-shame you on social media, resulting in your sacking and immiseration, you Filthy Disgusting Embarrassing Racist Nativist Doubleplus Ungood Xenophobe Thoughtcriminal, you.

    In case you hadn't noticed, our Do-Gooder Dear Ruler-Bunglers have smugly made damned sure that, fourteen years after Islam's 9-11 Jihad Mass-Murders, Islam is winning. Hands-down. Instead of successfully spreading Jeffersonian Democracy to the Oppressed Islamic World by "Fighting Them Over There Instead of Over Here" and thereby "Keeping Us Safe & Free," our Do-Gooder Dear Ruler-Bunglers have ramped-up and re-ramped-up their Import The Islamic Jihad-by-Hijra into our midst.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Crassus

    “Ever noticed that Gutmenschen/Do-Gooders have one overweening trait? Smugness. Absolutely bulletproof smug.”

    You are so right about that. Rachel Maddow is a perfect example. There’s something sophomoric about it that I don’t quite understand. Or maybe it’s about being cool and “in.” Smugness loves company. Yeah, that’s it. These people are psychologically insecure. They want to be accepted by their friends and colleagues more than anything else. But then you could say that about most people. So then it comes down to what’s fashionable? Fashions change, however. Which means we need new fashion leaders. Maybe Steve will become fashionable.

  41. @Luke Lea
    @Anonymous

    "Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!"

    Culture matters: https://goo.gl/q18ekk

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    Replies: @Bad memories

    Genes, on which culture builds and selects, are probably more important.

    In any event, you cannot restore sight to those who do not want to see.

    Perhaps they can reflect on what happened to Elin Krantz

    Trigger warning! Do not follow that link if you think that immigrant criminality could not be worse than native criminality, although it does remind one of events in Knoxville.

  42. It seems that young women have no problem with considering young males guilty until proven innocent.

    We need to point out to them the far more serious issues from immigrant males.

    Just ask Elin Krantz.

  43. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    @14: Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?

    Of COURSE we “get it”, silly! We landed in Massachusetts, lied to the Indians about our intentions, got them to feed us and clothe us in our first few years, and then did what every other right-thinking, normal, healthy human population has done throughout history: we CONQUERED them, drove them off their lands, and imposed our culture, religion, laws and values on the few that remained! And that includes the land you are standing on right now!

    And the Muslims, being right-thinking, normal, healthy human beings, given half a chance, will do exactly the same, as humans have done since the beginning of time! And (like the Indians, once they finally woke up) we will fight them tooth and nail to keep our own from being genocided.

    We get it. We really, really do. So why don’t you?

  44. http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/9/5/gaddafis-revenge

    Libyan leader Moammer Khadafy played the race card Monday, warning Europethat if he falls they will be deluged by hordes of illegal African immigrants.

    “There are millions of blacks who could come to the Mediterranean to cross to France and Italy, and Libya plays a role in security in the Mediterranean,” he told the France 24 television station.

    From Gadaffi’s final speech, made the day of his brutal murder.

    Now listen you, people of NATO.

    You’re bombing a wall which stood in the way of African migration to Europe, and in the way of Al Qaeda terrorists. This wall was Libya. You‘re breaking it. You’re idiots, and you will burn in Hell for thousands of migrants from Africa and for supporting Al Qaeda. It will be so. I never lie. And I do not lie now.”

  45. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    What a clown you are. Whites in North America and Australia have always understood that the mass migration of Europeans into those places meant the displacement, if not destruction, of those indigenous cultures. Everybody knows that what was good for “us” was terrible for them, and there is no one better at calling white people wicked than other white people.

    What I and others don’t get is why, with the tragic example of the Americas and Australia in front of you, you would want to repeat that except this time stick it to the Europeans? A lover of humanity would look at history and realize it’s time to call an end to the ethnic cleansing of homelands. Guy Herbert just sees it as a practice run.

  46. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    The Europeans went to New World lands, displaced the locals and created a new civilization. If I recall the locals did in fact put up resistance, but far too late to have an effect. They allowed too many Europeans to land on their shores, and once established the Europeans proved to much for the natives.

    Similar events have occurred throughout history as one group invades and displaces another. And in some cases the invader wins, and in other cases they lose. But in all cases the defender does put up resistance and doesn’t just hand over the keys to the kingdom. IIRC the muslims can usually be counted on to put up fierce resistance towards any newcomers moving into their areas. Just ask the French or English.

    Why should the Europeans of today be any different? Why should they not put up any resistance to newcomers moving into their turf? Why should contemporary Europeans repeat the mistakes of the New World natives?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @iSteveFan

    If it is the same Guy Herbert who used to post at various libertarian blogs then he is Jewish. Maybe he feels that if North America and Australia were settled by Muslims they not only would've been just as successful at nation-building but that they would've helped defeat Nazi Germany too!

  47. @tbraton
    That was why I raised the issue the other day about the former German Prime Minister coming out and declaring the guest-worker experiment with Turkish workers had been a "great mistake." It turns out to have been Helmut Schmidt, now in his late 90's but still clear thinking---and still smoking. I posted articles from 2004 (when he was a young man of 86). So we have had instances of knowledgeable Germans whose sage advice is totally rejected by the current ruling class. Back in 1968, former Conservative MP Enoch Powell was raising prophetic warnings about the influx of blacks and Asians from former Empire countries coming to England, and he was read out of the Conservative Party by Edward Heath. So the warnings have been there; they just aren't heeded. BTW I would remind you that Sweden changed its immigration laws in 1974. That's 41 years ago. So these instances of insanity can last a very long time. And I would also point out that the very liberal Jew Theodore H. White, whose own parents had emigrated to the U.S., stated in the last of The Making of the President series, "America in Search of Itself" (published in 1981), that he thought the Immigration Act of 1965 was a terrible mistake for the U.S. So that makes a leading opinion-maker from Britain, the U.S. and Germany clearly warning of the dangers and being totally ignored.

    Replies: @Clyde

    It turns out to have been Helmut Schmidt, now in his late 90′s but still clear thinking—and still smoking.

    Smoking and hoarding 200 cartons of menthol cigarettes at age 92. He is an iron man. Born with an iron constitution…..
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/10/helmut-schmidt-hoarding-menthol-cigarettes (amusing article)

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Clyde

    Helmut Schmidt was born on December 23, 1918, which means that he will be 97 this coming December, assuming that smoking all those cigarettes doesn't cut his life short.

    P.S.---I am a non-smoker, but I get a kick of noting that Helmut Schmidt has lived to his late 90's and "is still smoking." My late father, who was an uneducated man, started smoking at 16 and continued to smoke a pack a day until he was in his early 60's and the Surgeon General came out with his report when he went cold turkey. I have never been a smoker, but I understand it's a habit that is very hard to give up. My father lived until he was 83.

  48. https://www.reddit.com/r/european/
    r/europe

    Good places to track some of the immihoopla that is going on in Europe right now.

  49. @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!
     
    The Europeans went to New World lands, displaced the locals and created a new civilization. If I recall the locals did in fact put up resistance, but far too late to have an effect. They allowed too many Europeans to land on their shores, and once established the Europeans proved to much for the natives.

    Similar events have occurred throughout history as one group invades and displaces another. And in some cases the invader wins, and in other cases they lose. But in all cases the defender does put up resistance and doesn't just hand over the keys to the kingdom. IIRC the muslims can usually be counted on to put up fierce resistance towards any newcomers moving into their areas. Just ask the French or English.

    Why should the Europeans of today be any different? Why should they not put up any resistance to newcomers moving into their turf? Why should contemporary Europeans repeat the mistakes of the New World natives?

    Replies: @Matra

    If it is the same Guy Herbert who used to post at various libertarian blogs then he is Jewish. Maybe he feels that if North America and Australia were settled by Muslims they not only would’ve been just as successful at nation-building but that they would’ve helped defeat Nazi Germany too!

  50. Hernando Cortez conquered not only by superior weapons. The Aztecs thought he might be a god, the plumed serpent, Quetzalcoatl. Montezuma, therefore, hesitated to command his warriors to attack and Cortez was able to boldly exploit this weakness and defeat a vastly superior force on their own turf.

    Similarly, the West created the Enlightenment concept of “human rights” and is importing millions of aliens who have zero interest in this idea, and are able to exploit this, to them, weakness. They really can’t believe their dumb luck, and what a bunch if fools we are. But the Eloi elites are far more interested in status signaling other whites than in protecting them.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @IA

    Human Rights were historically employed by philosophers and thinkers as a way of thinking about things like the responsibilities of kings and degrees of individual autonomy and so on.

    It was only after WWII and the Holocaust that these concepts became actionable weapons in the hands of lawyers and the Mrs Jellyby's of the world.

  51. Caldwell himself pushed the terms of debate with his 2009 book, which argued from a rational, moderate and humane viewpoint, and looking from a historical perspective in particular

    My suspicion at this time, 2009, was that the most elucidating historical perspective on EU/Eurozone travails was to be found in the American Project in the decades leading up to The Civil War.

    A commenter in another thread criticized Sailer for being “boring” “repetitive,” and most especially not offering any practical solutions, such as his brilliant idea that the Right act like the Left. Peggy Noonan wrote:

    The leaders of Europe have shown themselves unsure about what to do.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-migrants-and-the-elites-1441924372

    No. It is not that they are unsure what to do. They disagree. Just as the Standing Committee of the Central Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China disagreed about what to do about the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989 — until Deng settled the argument.

    That there is confusion about elemental concepts signals that the Europe Project in the form of the EU has much bigger, intractable, in fact existential problems, than this “Criss.” I put the scare quotes because this Migrant Invasion really isn’t one in that either of the never-the-twain-shall-meet proposals is a solution to this “Migrant Crisis.” No doubt, it will all play out with some form of split the loaf compromises.

    But that is exactly why The American Project in the decades leading up to The Civil War is worth considering. Then, too, Americans tried to square the circle of Slavery. And, for all of their disagreements, they were united as one in wanting to avoid the eventual solution — civil war.

    As Germany welcomes thousands of refugees, with industries seeking ways to integrate newcomers into country’s workforce, Berlin’s move to temporarily bypass EU-wide regulations has met strong criticism from France’s Marine Le Pen who accused Germany of recruiting “slaves.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/314593-germany-refugee-slaves-le-pen/

    “Slaves,” as you should by now reading this have surmised, is apt. Though in a much deeper sense than she propounds here. Germany and Sweden are not only insisting that the states the migrants transit assist them in doing so, but that they prepare to accept accept their fair share for permanent resettlement. All ominously reminiscent of this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850

  52. @Tomi
    I don't think there could be a lot of Kosovars among "Syrian refugees", at least according to pictures. Most of the refugees look very dark skinned. Kosovars are white, they aren't any darker than Greeks, Italians or Spaniards, and I don't believe you could easily confuse them. Most of the people on pictures look even darker than what I imagined to be a typical Syrian. My guess is that there is a lot of people from Bangladesh, Pakistan and North Africa among them.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Sean

    “I don’t think there could be a lot of Kosovars among “Syrian refugees”, at least according to pictures. Most of the refugees look very dark skinned. Kosovars are white, they aren’t any darker than Greeks, Italians or Spaniards, and I don’t believe you could easily confuse them. Most of the people on pictures look even darker than what I imagined to be a typical Syrian. My guess is that there is a lot of people from Bangladesh, Pakistan and North Africa among them.”

    I am not surprised at the darkness of the Syrian refugees. Syria is geographically located closer to Pakistan than they are to Poland for example. I wasn’t expecting these masses of Syrian refugees to be as pale skin and blue eyed as the German Steve Sailer.

  53. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    Sheesh! What a marooon! Guessing you never heard of The Indian Removal Act of 1830, Trail of Tears, Manifest Destiny, Wounded Knee, Red Cloud, Chief Joseph, Geronimo, or even Billy Jack, for Custer’s sake…I could go on but won’t since you sir, do not know history (well, at least Native American history) or world politics past or present…and, you’re obviously humorless which is a pity.

  54. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    I don't know.

    Replies: @eah, @IA

    Sarrazin kann ja Englisch, zum Beispiel:

    FRANCE 24 The Interview – Thilo Sarrazin, German politician and writer

    Scroll ahead to approx the 1m mark. It is not too difficult to find videos of him speaking English, which he does well enough, albeit with a rather thick accent.

    One on one with Dr Thilo Sarrazin

  55. @iSteveFan
    Somewhat OT, but today is 9-11, and what happened 14 years ago today precipitated our Iraq Attack of 2003 and the follow on actions in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Which of course has now led to the latest islamic invasion of Europe. Does anyone wish we could just go back in time and leave Saddam, Murbarak, Gaddafi and Assad ALONE? Heck knowing what we know today, I'd have actually supported arming those guys to keep the lid on. I wonder what the architects of that policy think now. I remember General Odom calling the 2003 invasion the worst strategic blunder in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

    If this were a sane country calling oneself a neocon would be as toxic as claiming to be a communist or nazi. The neocons would be purged from any position of responsibility and our leaders would not seek their advice. Unfortunately they seem as entrenched as ever, and the guys like Buchanan who correctly predicted this disaster are the ones in the wilderness.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @D. K., @Beach

    I complained and shouted as much as possible that going to Iraq was utterly stupid and useless to boot. The US also had a chance to snuff-out OBL in Tora Bora (I suggested using a heat sensing H bomb; less fall-out) to end that chapter….but no. Of course, the only people who would listen were my family members!

  56. @Anon
    And Sarrazin speaks English at least as well as First Lady candidate Columba Bush

    Is this to say barely or not at all?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @a reader

  57. Smugness is related to the concept of status. The people on the thread saying “chill with the Islamaphobia” and “scary Brown people” are the same as Colbert, Letterman, Stewart, etc. Deeply feminized, embracing feminine notions of status and disgust for working and middle class White people and worshiping a transnational aristocracy.

    Note the ZERO solidarity with working and middle class people of their own race and culture. There is none, rather there is overt hostility. This is an essentially feminine/gay viewpoint, where everyone is striving to be the twirliest boy or prettiest princess in the land. It is a viewpoint so decidedly feminine: everyone should be born with a silver spoon in their mouth or they are garbage worthy of being thrown out that for any male to embrace it is a mark of flamingly gay outlook. Not orientation mind, just outlook.

    And this concept EXPLICITLY REJECTS nationalism, nationhood, culture, tradition, the values of one’s parents and grandparents and further back in search of original racial sin and redemption by Muslims or non-Whites.

    Muslims are objectively horrible: ISIS, the destruction of ancient relics and monuments, a brutal suppression of any decent human spirit, any rational reading of your fellow nationals mattering more than foreigners would say yes of course exclude Muslims.

    HOWEVER the main argument that if your status is so uncertain that an influx of Muslim males intent on Rotherhaming (rape/prostitution farms of working class White girls essentially) makes you worthless and sneer-worthy, then yes everything makes sense in rejecting nations in favor of transcendent worship of foreigners as racial and religious redeemers.

    Post-Christianity has a lot to answer for, as does the female status mongering. Men have status wars too, of course, but they are more accomplished based (see any NFL discussion of Brady vs. Rothlisburger for example) than “innate worth” based on beauty or birth.

    The way to deal with the sneer is to call them out on the lunatic religious worship of others as redeemers and original sin and their HATE HATE HATE of working and middle class White people.

  58. Whites invoke immigration control to save the Jews from invaders, but Jews invoke open borders to destroy whites with the help of invaders.

    What is wrong with this picture?

    Alt Right says it is important for whites to look out for themselves for the simple sake of looking out for themselves.
    So, the need on the part of Alt Right to justify their agenda on the basis that it is good for Jews goes against the very spirit of Alt Right.

    In a way, saying something is good because it is good for Jews isn’t all that different from something is good because it is good for non-white immigrants. In both cases, whites feel a need to justify their agenda on how it’s good for another people.

    Alt Right should defend their policy as being good for themselves regardless of whether it is good or bad for Jews.

    The habit of cucking to one kind of Other(Jews) will only lead to cucking to other Others.

    The French National Front’s argument that their policy is so wonderful for Jews isn’t all that different in moral logic than the French ‘left’s contention that its policies are good for Africans and Muslims.

    In both cases, whites fail to say loud and clear that it is good for them as whites.

    White morality needs to break the Jewbacco and Negrotine habit.

  59. @Anonymous
    I think many of these comments are framing this refugee question wrong. All kinds of comments about challenges or problems associated with opening the door to a large influx. But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.

    I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant. I would also include not only Barak Obama, but no fewer than 6 of the present candidates for U.S. President, all sons of immigrants. http://www.pri.org/s...2016-candidates

    Who is to say what greatness may rise from future generations of these refugees? Some see problems, I see opportunity!

    It'd be nice if we could chill it a bit with the blatant Islamophobia. The US and Australia's Christian values don't seem to be doing much to motivate them to charity either. It's politics, not religion, which is the sticking point.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Lagertha, @Bill B., @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    Uh, no. Religion IS the sticking point. If all immigrants give up their religion, I would chill, but there are these rising crimes in Europe committed by Muslim men (a few women) who refuse to integrate/assimilate, etc. that are worrying a lot of people who have to pay for the migrants’ welfare eventually.

    Wars, beheading, burning people alive, rape, throwing acid on school girls, executing people in Europe by Islamists, Sunni vs. Shia endless mutual self-destruction (if only!), Sunni against all other religions in the middle east, the obsession of going back centuries in the Muslim states is the cause of “legitimate” Islamophobia. After WW2 ended: “the war to end all wars” was a nice slogan until it wasn’t.

    You know, if the Lakota, Blackfoot, Dine, Crow could kick all of us “uhmericans” out of the USA & Canada, they would…at least the Buffalo have been restored somewhat, rivers are fairly clean in most reservations…they don’t need us.

    Lastly, Steve Jobs was not an immigrant and only half Syrian. And, like dude, he grew up in CA. Basically, near SV where all the cool things were happening with computers.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "Uh, no. Religion IS the sticking point. If all immigrants give up their religion, I would chill, but there are these rising crimes in Europe committed by Muslim men (a few women) who refuse to integrate/assimilate, etc. that are worrying a lot of people who have to pay for the migrants’ welfare eventually.

    Wars, beheading, burning people alive, rape, throwing acid on school girls, executing people in Europe by Islamists, Sunni vs. Shia endless mutual self-destruction (if only!), Sunni against all other religions in the middle east, the obsession of going back centuries in the Muslim states is the cause of “legitimate” Islamophobia. After WW2 ended: “the war to end all wars” was a nice slogan until it wasn’t.

    You know, if the Lakota, Blackfoot, Dine, Crow could kick all of us “uhmericans” out of the USA & Canada, they would…at least the Buffalo have been restored somewhat, rivers are fairly clean in most reservations…they don’t need us.

    Lastly, Steve Jobs was not an immigrant and only half Syrian. And, like dude, he grew up in CA. Basically, near SV where all the cool things were happening with computers."

    Any religion that tolerates a father murdering his own daughters for dating outside of their religion, is a sick disgusting screwed up religion.

  60. I know we are supposed to be horrified at the sight of Hungarian police throwing sandwiches at the refugees instead of giving it on their hands and knees, but what about flipside of the invasion. What about the Europeans that lives have changed forever?

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @PistolPete

    Greece?

  61. @Tomi
    I don't think there could be a lot of Kosovars among "Syrian refugees", at least according to pictures. Most of the refugees look very dark skinned. Kosovars are white, they aren't any darker than Greeks, Italians or Spaniards, and I don't believe you could easily confuse them. Most of the people on pictures look even darker than what I imagined to be a typical Syrian. My guess is that there is a lot of people from Bangladesh, Pakistan and North Africa among them.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Sean

    There were a lot of Kosovars anyway, they were 30% of asylum seekers in Germany during the last year, and they probably have a good chance to get asylum without pretending to be Syrian. A reporter on the BBC said everybody knows that Syrians get imediate permission to stay six months. There are Africans claiming to be Syrian.

    Its an old trick http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13709814.Asylum_seeker_evicted_and_faces_deportation_after_his_accent_is_doubted_by_Home_Office/

    Accent is only way to tell a Syrian from an Algerian. He Said all his papers were destroyed in the bombings.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked

    • Replies: @eah
    @Sean

    and they probably have a good chance to get asylum without pretending to be Syrian

    No they don't -- nowadays, hardly anyone from Kosovo gets asylum in DE -- in 2014, about 1% were granted asylum -- they won't do any better this year -- that's why there's now a growing black market for phony Syrian passports.

    Replies: @Sean

  62. Get a load of the comments to this Spiegel article (if the link works): http://goo.gl/UxQCO3

  63. From that Neo-Nazi hate rag, The Economist:

    For different reasons, immigrants and women play a disproportionately small role in Germany’s labour force. Many immigrants never recover from their start in an “education-free monoculture”, as Mr Buschkowsky puts it: a home where family members and cartoon characters speak a language other than German, a spell in a Hauptschule followed by the transitional system and a life on the dole. Nearly one-third of Germany’s Turks, the largest group of immigrants other than ethnic Germans, have no secondary-school diploma, and just 14% qualify to go to university. Some 16% are dependent on welfare, twice the share of native Germans. In 2005, the last year for which data are available, the unemployment rate among Turks was 23%, compared with 10% for native Germans.

    Things are looking up in Deutschland!

  64. @iSteveFan
    Somewhat OT, but today is 9-11, and what happened 14 years ago today precipitated our Iraq Attack of 2003 and the follow on actions in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Which of course has now led to the latest islamic invasion of Europe. Does anyone wish we could just go back in time and leave Saddam, Murbarak, Gaddafi and Assad ALONE? Heck knowing what we know today, I'd have actually supported arming those guys to keep the lid on. I wonder what the architects of that policy think now. I remember General Odom calling the 2003 invasion the worst strategic blunder in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

    If this were a sane country calling oneself a neocon would be as toxic as claiming to be a communist or nazi. The neocons would be purged from any position of responsibility and our leaders would not seek their advice. Unfortunately they seem as entrenched as ever, and the guys like Buchanan who correctly predicted this disaster are the ones in the wilderness.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @D. K., @Beach

    Cast your memory back a tad further: last month was the 25th anniversary of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The P.R. campaign for what became the Persian Gulf War included the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States appearing before a Congressional panel– not as herself, but instead while claiming to be a Kuwaiti hospital volunteer who had witnessed Iraqi war crimes (most famously the “ripping” of newborn premies from their incubators, so that those machines could be shipped back to Iraq as war booty). The Congressional pannel, led by Holocaust survivor Tom Lantos, somehow managed to overlook that the ambassador’s lovely daughter, despite being a supposed Kuwaiti volunteer, spoke flawless English– with an obvious American accent, no less! (Her father, a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, had been posted in Washington for nearly a decade, as of the time of her testimony, so she had lived there since she was a young child.) The P.R. campaign was financed by the Kuwaiti government, but orchestrated by P.R.-powerhouse Hill & Knowlton, for a fee reported to be well over $10,000,000. The incubator story is generally considered to have been the most potent public propaganda in support of an American invasion, and the young royal’s Congressional testimony, which was both unsworn and brief, brought that infamous atrocity tale to the American public in living color, complete with female tears.

    Absent the 1991 Persian Gulf War, following President George H. W. Bush’s famous “backbone transplant” at the hands of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the previous summer, both American and world history likely would have taken wildly different paths from what they have, with no 9/11 attacks, and no boundless “War on Terror” justification for the emergent police state, in America and elsewhere. If W. and JEB’s old man has any conscience left, in his current dotage, it should be waterboarding the man’s soul, until the day that he dies!

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @D. K.

    "The P.R. campaign for what became the Persian Gulf War included the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States appearing before a Congressional panel– not as herself, but instead while claiming to be a Kuwaiti hospital volunteer who had witnessed Iraqi war crimes (most famously the “ripping” of newborn premies from their incubators, so that those machines could be shipped back to Iraq as war booty). "

    One small correction. The sleazeball Tom Lantos was careful to stage that lying spectacle outside of Congress and without putting the witness under oath, otherwise he might have been liable for violating some federal statutes. Here is what I posted on TAC about 4 years ago:

    "tbraton says:

    February 15, 2011 at 6:53 pm


    And, of course, PG, the late Congressman Tom Lantos was complicit with the Ambassador of Kuwait in fabricating the hoax during the build-up to the first Gulf War in 1991 about Saddam’s troops invading maternity hospitals in Kuwait and tossing out the newborn Kuwaiti babies in order to steal the incubators. It turns out that young “Kuwaiti woman” making those allegations (carefully not before a Congressional committee under oath) was, in actuality, the daughter of the Ambassador to the U.S. from Kuwait. All part of the propaganda campaign to portray Saddam not only as another Hitler but even worse."

    Here is a paragraph from Wikipedia's account of the matter:

    "The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation sent investigators to Kuwait who went through the hospital and counted the incubators and they found that “except for one or two that may have been misplaced” all of the incubators were still in the hospital. The investigators concluded that there were no deaths resulting from stolen equipment. And the doctor who provided Amnesty International with the number of babies killed dropped from 312 to 72 and then 30, 19 of which died before the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. After the war The New York Times in an editorial entitled DECEPTION ON CAPITOL HILL wrote, “It’s plainly wrong for a member of congress to collaborate with a public relations firm to produce knowingly deceptive testimony on an important issue. Yet Representative Tom Lantos has been caught doing exactly that. His behavior warrants a searching inquiry by the House Ethics Committee.” (ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times [1851 – 2007] pg. A20)[31]"

  65. @Auntie Analogue
    Sarrazin' s Gutmenschen has its direct English translation: Do-Gooders.

    Wake up, Americans: "Syrians," supposedly "refugees" but no one in Government actually checks who they are or what their bona fides, if any, might be - "Syrians," hand-picked to deploy for their part in Jihad-by-Hijra by the Moslem-run UN that we Americans had so powerful a voice in electing, are already here in what's left of what's left of what used to be our United States, and our Dear Rulers tell us there are More To Come: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2015/09/07/syrians-st-louis-refugee/71862690/

    Here's the St. Louis Do-Gooder Refugee Resettlement Racket outfit raking-in our taxpayer dollars to Import The Third World: http://www.iistl.org/

    Has anyone else noticed that not one organ of Enemedia-Pravda has ever questioned the wisdom or utility of Importing Islam's Jihad-by-Hijra? If you pay attention, all you ever see and hear from Enemedia-Pravda is How Good Importing Moslems is for us - never so much as the slightest hint of any downside for us.

    Ever noticed that Gutmenschen/Do-Gooders have one overweening trait? Smugness. Absolutely bulletproof smug.

    Face it: We Americans live increasingly under government of Other People, by Other People, for Other People. And if you Americans don't like it, you're officially obligated to feel ashamed. And if you dare to say out loud that you don't like it, then some member of the Speech Nazi Gestapo or their Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police Junior G[estapo]-Persons will publicly crowd-shame you on social media, resulting in your sacking and immiseration, you Filthy Disgusting Embarrassing Racist Nativist Doubleplus Ungood Xenophobe Thoughtcriminal, you.

    In case you hadn't noticed, our Do-Gooder Dear Ruler-Bunglers have smugly made damned sure that, fourteen years after Islam's 9-11 Jihad Mass-Murders, Islam is winning. Hands-down. Instead of successfully spreading Jeffersonian Democracy to the Oppressed Islamic World by "Fighting Them Over There Instead of Over Here" and thereby "Keeping Us Safe & Free," our Do-Gooder Dear Ruler-Bunglers have ramped-up and re-ramped-up their Import The Islamic Jihad-by-Hijra into our midst.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Crassus

    According to The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, aristocratic Romans in the period of Rome’s downfall often favored social signaling over their nation’s safety. Edward Gibbon’s theory and analysis seems quite relevant for understanding the culture of elite Americans and Europeans in 2015.

    One difference is that liberals in the time of the late Roman empire were only willing to gamble with the welfare of their nation when they refrained from defending their homeland refugees from barbarian lands. Today there are well-connected liberals whose sound like they are willing to gamble with the fate of all of humankind in order to show how liberal and elite they are: “The cliche of being invaded by aliens was not really on our minds. But the thinking was that the silence in the skies might be because alien civilizations are hiding from us, and that it might be stupid to attract attention.”

  66. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The people promoting the deliberate destruction of all the European nations cover up all the negative consequences of mass immigration: crime, welfare fraud, unemployment, diseases, rape epidemic etc. In many countries telling the truth about these thing is illegal.

    All the western media do this – promote unlimited mass immigration while covering up the negative side of the consequences.

    If the promoters of European destruction believed the pros outweighed the cons they wouldn’t need to lie ergo they don’t believe it.

    The clearest proof of this is when you get people who support mass immigration and diversity for all the European nations but not for their own.

  67. @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Uh, no. Religion IS the sticking point. If all immigrants give up their religion, I would chill, but there are these rising crimes in Europe committed by Muslim men (a few women) who refuse to integrate/assimilate, etc. that are worrying a lot of people who have to pay for the migrants' welfare eventually.

    Wars, beheading, burning people alive, rape, throwing acid on school girls, executing people in Europe by Islamists, Sunni vs. Shia endless mutual self-destruction (if only!), Sunni against all other religions in the middle east, the obsession of going back centuries in the Muslim states is the cause of "legitimate" Islamophobia. After WW2 ended: "the war to end all wars" was a nice slogan until it wasn't.

    You know, if the Lakota, Blackfoot, Dine, Crow could kick all of us "uhmericans" out of the USA & Canada, they would...at least the Buffalo have been restored somewhat, rivers are fairly clean in most reservations...they don't need us.

    Lastly, Steve Jobs was not an immigrant and only half Syrian. And, like dude, he grew up in CA. Basically, near SV where all the cool things were happening with computers.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Uh, no. Religion IS the sticking point. If all immigrants give up their religion, I would chill, but there are these rising crimes in Europe committed by Muslim men (a few women) who refuse to integrate/assimilate, etc. that are worrying a lot of people who have to pay for the migrants’ welfare eventually.

    Wars, beheading, burning people alive, rape, throwing acid on school girls, executing people in Europe by Islamists, Sunni vs. Shia endless mutual self-destruction (if only!), Sunni against all other religions in the middle east, the obsession of going back centuries in the Muslim states is the cause of “legitimate” Islamophobia. After WW2 ended: “the war to end all wars” was a nice slogan until it wasn’t.

    You know, if the Lakota, Blackfoot, Dine, Crow could kick all of us “uhmericans” out of the USA & Canada, they would…at least the Buffalo have been restored somewhat, rivers are fairly clean in most reservations…they don’t need us.

    Lastly, Steve Jobs was not an immigrant and only half Syrian. And, like dude, he grew up in CA. Basically, near SV where all the cool things were happening with computers.”

    Any religion that tolerates a father murdering his own daughters for dating outside of their religion, is a sick disgusting screwed up religion.

  68. @unit472
    The 'guest worker' program may have been a mistake but at the time it was implemented obtaining German citizenship was almost impossible for these, mostly Turkish, workers. I think it was Helmut Schmidt that liberalized the rules that allowed these 'guest workers' to become German citizens and for much the same reasons behind the 1986 US amnesty for illegal aliens. They were here, had started families and their children knew no other nation.

    There has never been a more misguided and destructive policy than the willingness of governments to allow influential businessmen to import foreign labor. Be it American cotton growers, British textile mill owners or the German auto industry catering to the transitory need of business for cheap labor has always proven to be a horrific mistake.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton

    You’ve got it right. The problem with mass immigration is that it’s supported by both the lefty Gutmenschen AND the right-wing business types who swear they’ll go broke without imported cheap labour, never mind the long term consequences.

  69. Rick Perry has officially dropped out of the Republican race for president. His political career is now officially dead. You know it’s a bad sign when he has to drop out of the race 4 months before the first state primary/caucus.

    Rick Perry never fully recovered from being verbally nuked by Donald Trump. The Punjabi Bobby Jindal should also follow Rick Perry’s lead and drop out of the race very soon, after all he polls well below 1 percent in nationwide polling among Republican primary voters.

    Ben Carson stole Bobby Jindal’s thunder when it comes to token dark skin guy that White Republican voters like.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jefferson

    Too bad about Perry. He has been a good governor and I thought he would be a decent president.

    Replies: @Veracitor

  70. @Anonymous
    I think many of these comments are framing this refugee question wrong. All kinds of comments about challenges or problems associated with opening the door to a large influx. But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.

    I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant. I would also include not only Barak Obama, but no fewer than 6 of the present candidates for U.S. President, all sons of immigrants. http://www.pri.org/s...2016-candidates

    Who is to say what greatness may rise from future generations of these refugees? Some see problems, I see opportunity!

    It'd be nice if we could chill it a bit with the blatant Islamophobia. The US and Australia's Christian values don't seem to be doing much to motivate them to charity either. It's politics, not religion, which is the sticking point.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Lagertha, @Bill B., @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    You know I think you are absolutely right!

    There would have been nothing like a massive influx of refugees from a distant region arrogantly demanding entry to unit the disparate people of Syria.

  71. @Jefferson
    Rick Perry has officially dropped out of the Republican race for president. His political career is now officially dead. You know it's a bad sign when he has to drop out of the race 4 months before the first state primary/caucus.

    Rick Perry never fully recovered from being verbally nuked by Donald Trump. The Punjabi Bobby Jindal should also follow Rick Perry's lead and drop out of the race very soon, after all he polls well below 1 percent in nationwide polling among Republican primary voters.

    Ben Carson stole Bobby Jindal's thunder when it comes to token dark skin guy that White Republican voters like.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Too bad about Perry. He has been a good governor and I thought he would be a decent president.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @Jim Don Bob

    Perry, unlike Trump, needed money from contributors who would only give it on condition that he not rock any establishment boats. So however likeable Perry might have been, he was doomed: he could satisfy contributors or voters but not both.

  72. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    I love when lefties show up in a place like this and express shock at the “veiled racism”. This is quite open and unapologetic racism. We don’t accept your premises on what racism means and what its effect is, neither do we share your selective outrage that excuses the bloodthirsty bigotry of your definition of racism’s “victims” only to explode upon encountering such horrors as whites complaining about being overrun by hostile, racist outsiders intent on destroying their communities.
    You’re right about Lebanon and Turkey–but what are they doing with those refugees? They’re housing them in tent cities with the expectation they’ll go home or move on–to Europe, for example.
    As for our elite breaking the Mid East through serial aggressions, whose idea was that? After being misled into W’s Iraq War, the people haven’t had much to do with our elite’s meddling. They have foisted on us a fait accompli. We should reject it. Those same Middle Eastern states that refuse to help are as or more complicit–the more complicit the more they refuse to help, as in the case of Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran.

    • Agree: gruff
  73. @Vinay
    Germany manages to be the economic powerhouse of Europe while allowing its workers to work some of the lowest hours. The influx of the refugees is supported by a conservative Chancellor, the heads of German industry and some 60% of the German population. This is a population which already has decades of experience with the results of a previous influx, of Turkish workers so they can't be accused of naïveté.

    Sure, all of them could be wrong but, given their record of success, you'd need some pretty strong reasons to think you know better, right? Note that you don't have this problem when it comes to the UK or the U.S. -- there is no popular support for allowing vast numbers of Syrian/Afghan/Iraqi refugees.

    Maybe you're just wrong about the implications of this for Germany.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Stan D Mute

    The influx of the refugees is supported by a conservative Chancellor, the heads of German industry and some 60% of the German population.

    1). I don’t believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.

    2). Given the situation in the EU, those millions of Arabs invading Germany will have unfettered access to every other EU member nation. So Germany is, unilaterally, admitting a small Arab nation into the EU. It doesn’t appear that folks in England or Hungary are on board with this. I doubt the Swiss want several million Arabs to come visit either. In fact, Germany seems the only EU member willing to allow this. Yet all Europe will suffer the consequences.

    • Replies: @Stubborn in Germany
    @Stan D Mute


    I don’t believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.
     
    Here you go: http://www.forschungsgruppe.de/Aktuelles/Politbarometer/

    According to the latest survey results, published yesterday, 66 percent of Germans agree with the decision by the German and Austrian governments to let "refugees" (the wording of the survey, not mine) in from Hungary.

    Further: 62 percent of Germans (up from 60 percent in August) believe that Germany can handle the many refugees from crisis regions coming into Germany while 35 percent (month before: 37 percent) do not think so.

    Germany's government has budgeted 6 billion euros extra expenditures for refugeees in 2016. 22 percent of Germans consider this too much, 43 percent consider it just right, 25 percent consider it too little. [Note: this is about half the annual payroll contributions for care of the elderly and severely handicapped, generally considered to be insufficient for the task, but no increase is planned.]

    61 percent of Germans expect that refugees will provide an important contribution to relieving the skilled-labor shortage, 31 percent do not.
    ----
    The pollsters, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen, are not some fly-by-night outfit, they are well-respected and have a reputation to lose. I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor

  74. @unit472
    The 'guest worker' program may have been a mistake but at the time it was implemented obtaining German citizenship was almost impossible for these, mostly Turkish, workers. I think it was Helmut Schmidt that liberalized the rules that allowed these 'guest workers' to become German citizens and for much the same reasons behind the 1986 US amnesty for illegal aliens. They were here, had started families and their children knew no other nation.

    There has never been a more misguided and destructive policy than the willingness of governments to allow influential businessmen to import foreign labor. Be it American cotton growers, British textile mill owners or the German auto industry catering to the transitory need of business for cheap labor has always proven to be a horrific mistake.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton

    “There has never been a more misguided and destructive policy than the willingness of governments to allow influential businessmen to import foreign labor. Be it American cotton growers, British textile mill owners or the German auto industry catering to the transitory need of business for cheap labor has always proven to be a horrific mistake.”

    Don’t forget the French: “over the last two hundred years, France has received more immigrants than any other European country. By 1930 in fact, France had a higher percentage of foreigners in its population than the United States.” http://campus.murraystate.edu/academic/faculty/tsaintpaul/immig2.htm

  75. @Sean
    @Tomi

    There were a lot of Kosovars anyway, they were 30% of asylum seekers in Germany during the last year, and they probably have a good chance to get asylum without pretending to be Syrian. A reporter on the BBC said everybody knows that Syrians get imediate permission to stay six months. There are Africans claiming to be Syrian.

    Its an old trick http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13709814.Asylum_seeker_evicted_and_faces_deportation_after_his_accent_is_doubted_by_Home_Office/

    Accent is only way to tell a Syrian from an Algerian. He Said all his papers were destroyed in the bombings.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked

    Replies: @eah

    and they probably have a good chance to get asylum without pretending to be Syrian

    No they don’t — nowadays, hardly anyone from Kosovo gets asylum in DE — in 2014, about 1% were granted asylum — they won’t do any better this year — that’s why there’s now a growing black market for phony Syrian passports.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @eah

    You are right. But Kosovans' language won't let them pass pass for Syrian. They would use passports to get into Germany and I think getting rid of masses of them will in practice be extremely difficult, even if they are being officially denied full refugee status. There will be many Kosovar children born in Germany within a year, rely on it. Kosovo panicking at the exodus http://www.dw.com/en/kosovo-population-drain-challenges-germanys-refugee-policies/a-18245189

  76. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jefferson

    Too bad about Perry. He has been a good governor and I thought he would be a decent president.

    Replies: @Veracitor

    Perry, unlike Trump, needed money from contributors who would only give it on condition that he not rock any establishment boats. So however likeable Perry might have been, he was doomed: he could satisfy contributors or voters but not both.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    I don't know.

    Replies: @eah, @IA

    Sorry, Steve. I’m not disagreeing with you not knowing something, although you certainly know a lot. When I touch a reply on my iPad Gen 2 the screen goes blank (sometimes) and I have to blindly touch again to see anything. I must have hit the disagree button.

  78. @Clyde
    @tbraton


    It turns out to have been Helmut Schmidt, now in his late 90′s but still clear thinking—and still smoking.
     
    Smoking and hoarding 200 cartons of menthol cigarettes at age 92. He is an iron man. Born with an iron constitution.....
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/10/helmut-schmidt-hoarding-menthol-cigarettes (amusing article)

    Replies: @tbraton

    Helmut Schmidt was born on December 23, 1918, which means that he will be 97 this coming December, assuming that smoking all those cigarettes doesn’t cut his life short.

    P.S.—I am a non-smoker, but I get a kick of noting that Helmut Schmidt has lived to his late 90’s and “is still smoking.” My late father, who was an uneducated man, started smoking at 16 and continued to smoke a pack a day until he was in his early 60’s and the Surgeon General came out with his report when he went cold turkey. I have never been a smoker, but I understand it’s a habit that is very hard to give up. My father lived until he was 83.

  79. And so it begins:

    Germany refugee riot over torn Koran leaves 17 hurt

    An argument over a Koran that erupted at a shelter in central Germany has led to violence in which 11 refugees and six police were injured. Twenty people tried to lynch an Afghan man of 25 after he tore pages from the Koran and threw them in a toilet, according to reports in the town of Suhl. When police tried to intervene they also came under attack.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33999801

  80. Ben Carson apologized on Greta for questioning whether Donald Trump is a true genuine Christian.

    It is probably a good idea for him to end his verbal war with Donald Trump. Every Republican presidential candidate who ends up getting into a verbal war with The Donald always ends up losing. After The Donald verbally murdered Lindsey Graham, he just dropped off the face of the earth. Everybody now is like Lindsey who? Is that guy still in the race? I thought he dropped out of the race along time ago. Lindsey is lives in irrelevant ville now.

  81. @D. K.
    @iSteveFan

    Cast your memory back a tad further: last month was the 25th anniversary of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The P.R. campaign for what became the Persian Gulf War included the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States appearing before a Congressional panel-- not as herself, but instead while claiming to be a Kuwaiti hospital volunteer who had witnessed Iraqi war crimes (most famously the "ripping" of newborn premies from their incubators, so that those machines could be shipped back to Iraq as war booty). The Congressional pannel, led by Holocaust survivor Tom Lantos, somehow managed to overlook that the ambassador's lovely daughter, despite being a supposed Kuwaiti volunteer, spoke flawless English-- with an obvious American accent, no less! (Her father, a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, had been posted in Washington for nearly a decade, as of the time of her testimony, so she had lived there since she was a young child.) The P.R. campaign was financed by the Kuwaiti government, but orchestrated by P.R.-powerhouse Hill & Knowlton, for a fee reported to be well over $10,000,000. The incubator story is generally considered to have been the most potent public propaganda in support of an American invasion, and the young royal's Congressional testimony, which was both unsworn and brief, brought that infamous atrocity tale to the American public in living color, complete with female tears.

    Absent the 1991 Persian Gulf War, following President George H. W. Bush's famous "backbone transplant" at the hands of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the previous summer, both American and world history likely would have taken wildly different paths from what they have, with no 9/11 attacks, and no boundless "War on Terror" justification for the emergent police state, in America and elsewhere. If W. and JEB's old man has any conscience left, in his current dotage, it should be waterboarding the man's soul, until the day that he dies!

    Replies: @tbraton

    “The P.R. campaign for what became the Persian Gulf War included the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States appearing before a Congressional panel– not as herself, but instead while claiming to be a Kuwaiti hospital volunteer who had witnessed Iraqi war crimes (most famously the “ripping” of newborn premies from their incubators, so that those machines could be shipped back to Iraq as war booty). ”

    One small correction. The sleazeball Tom Lantos was careful to stage that lying spectacle outside of Congress and without putting the witness under oath, otherwise he might have been liable for violating some federal statutes. Here is what I posted on TAC about 4 years ago:

    “tbraton says:

    February 15, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    And, of course, PG, the late Congressman Tom Lantos was complicit with the Ambassador of Kuwait in fabricating the hoax during the build-up to the first Gulf War in 1991 about Saddam’s troops invading maternity hospitals in Kuwait and tossing out the newborn Kuwaiti babies in order to steal the incubators. It turns out that young “Kuwaiti woman” making those allegations (carefully not before a Congressional committee under oath) was, in actuality, the daughter of the Ambassador to the U.S. from Kuwait. All part of the propaganda campaign to portray Saddam not only as another Hitler but even worse.”

    Here is a paragraph from Wikipedia’s account of the matter:

    “The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation sent investigators to Kuwait who went through the hospital and counted the incubators and they found that “except for one or two that may have been misplaced” all of the incubators were still in the hospital. The investigators concluded that there were no deaths resulting from stolen equipment. And the doctor who provided Amnesty International with the number of babies killed dropped from 312 to 72 and then 30, 19 of which died before the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. After the war The New York Times in an editorial entitled DECEPTION ON CAPITOL HILL wrote, “It’s plainly wrong for a member of congress to collaborate with a public relations firm to produce knowingly deceptive testimony on an important issue. Yet Representative Tom Lantos has been caught doing exactly that. His behavior warrants a searching inquiry by the House Ethics Committee.” (ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times [1851 – 2007] pg. A20)[31]”

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @bossel

    World's Leading Expert on Muslims in Germany
     
    He's a financial expert, not much else. He shares some of your views about Islam & so he's an expert on "Muslims in Germany" for you? That says more about you than him.

    A sizable fraction of the “Syrian refugees” appear to be Muslim Kosovars from peaceful but poor Kosovo.
     
    That's not in the article you linked to. Even if some Kosovars would try to pass as Syrians, most of them wouldn't stand a chance, since they don't speak Arabic. & what do you call a "sizable fraction"? Numbers? Just weaselling?

    Refugees from the Balkans should be deported immediately.
     
    That's what largely already happens for most Balkan countries because they were declared safe. I already mentioned it here in the comment section. Kosovo is an exception, but is on the way to be declared safe as well. Even though that's not yet the case, most Kosovars' asylum applications are rejected & they're sent back.


    BTW, most of Sarrazin's statements from that article are actually supported by a sizable fraction in the German government coalition.

    BTW 2, his views about Turks in Germany seem to have been formed by what was going on in Berlin during his time there. In most other German cities Turks do not pose as much of a problem as in Berlin.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ” In most other German cities Turks do not pose as much of a problem as in Berlin.”

    Just one statement that shows that you are either completely clueless about the situation in Germany or that you are deliberately trying to spread disinformation.

    Sarrazin’s book became a bestseller for a reason. Most Germans so far didn’t speak up about the desastrous immigration policies of the FRG for a number of reasons, but that doesn’t mean that most of them don’t know what’s going on.

  83. “Twenty people tried to lynch an Afghan man of 25 after he tore pages from the Koran and threw them in a toilet,”

    LOL

  84. @Anonymous
    I think many of these comments are framing this refugee question wrong. All kinds of comments about challenges or problems associated with opening the door to a large influx. But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.

    I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant. I would also include not only Barak Obama, but no fewer than 6 of the present candidates for U.S. President, all sons of immigrants. http://www.pri.org/s...2016-candidates

    Who is to say what greatness may rise from future generations of these refugees? Some see problems, I see opportunity!

    It'd be nice if we could chill it a bit with the blatant Islamophobia. The US and Australia's Christian values don't seem to be doing much to motivate them to charity either. It's politics, not religion, which is the sticking point.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Lagertha, @Bill B., @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    “I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant.”

    Steve Jobs was half Syrian, but he was adopted and raised by Northern European Infidel parents. So Steve Jobs was about as culturally and religiously Muslim as Bob Newhart, which is to say he had a very culturally Western upbringing.

    Even Hussein Obama is more culturally Muslim compared to Steve Jobs. After all he lived many years in Indonesia, which is the nation with the largest Muslim population in the world.

  85. @iSteveFan
    Somewhat OT, but today is 9-11, and what happened 14 years ago today precipitated our Iraq Attack of 2003 and the follow on actions in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Which of course has now led to the latest islamic invasion of Europe. Does anyone wish we could just go back in time and leave Saddam, Murbarak, Gaddafi and Assad ALONE? Heck knowing what we know today, I'd have actually supported arming those guys to keep the lid on. I wonder what the architects of that policy think now. I remember General Odom calling the 2003 invasion the worst strategic blunder in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

    If this were a sane country calling oneself a neocon would be as toxic as claiming to be a communist or nazi. The neocons would be purged from any position of responsibility and our leaders would not seek their advice. Unfortunately they seem as entrenched as ever, and the guys like Buchanan who correctly predicted this disaster are the ones in the wilderness.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @D. K., @Beach

    Somewhat OT, but today is 9-11, and what happened 14 years ago today precipitated our Iraq Attack of 2003 and the follow on actions in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Which of course has now led to the latest islamic invasion of Europe. Does anyone wish we could just go back in time and leave Saddam, Murbarak, Gaddafi and Assad ALONE?

    Why stop there?

    From a 1983 Chicago Tribune editorial by Raymond Coffey entitled “Lebanon: Knowing when to ‘fold ‘em’”:

    “The United States obviously cares about what is going on here. Witness the U.S. Marines living in the mud around Beirut International Airport and the mighty, and mightily expensive, naval armada on station off Lebanon’s coast. The purpose is, as Reagan keeps saying, to give the Lebanese government, or what passes for a government in a small section of the country, time and opportunity to establish genuine Lebanese sovereignty over Lebanon. But do the Lebanese really care? Well, they say they do.”

    “Not a day goes by without people getting killed for simply belonging to the wrong sect or faction or clan or whatever. Yet no one seems to do anything about it except blame the other guy and look out for No. 1.”

    “In the meantime, while the American Marines are getting shot at regularly and living in uncomfortable combat conditions at the airport, you can see Lebanese soldiers – unarmed soldiers – strolling downtown streets, window shopping, sipping coffee in cafes, pausing to get their boots shined. There are plenty of Lebanese living a very tough life, but there also are plenty of them cramming the downtown streets shopping.”

    How different will this 32-year-old scenario be from Syria, if American soldiers continue to be incrementally dripped in, Vietnam-style? Why should the West countenance American and British soldiers losing limbs and getting their heads blown off while Merkel’s foster sons are strolling European boulevards, dining in cafes with benefit money, and harrassing European women? It’s clear that those entities, both foreign and domestic, that profit in some way from endless expenditure of Western blood and treasure down the Middle Eastern rathole will never see a reason to end it.

    Seamus Hughes of the Program on Extremism at George Washington University, which tracks ISIS’s social media gadflies and propagandists as well as recruiters and foreign fighters, agreed that Hussain deserved targeting because he had put U.S. troops’ personal information online with a call to assassinate them.

    “There is always going to be another more important target, but his removal from the battlefield is a win for the good guys,” said Hughes, a former Senate investigator who recently left the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/annoying-deadly-debate-killing-isiss-twitter-tough-guys/story?id=33603248

  86. @e
    "American Media Uninterested": and that is why I'm loving Trump. If nothing else, if he begins to lose support, I think he'll go explicitly after the media elite and actually spell out what's going on.

    On that note, I've been waiting for him to name names, like Mark Zuckerberg, but I think he's got that "reveal" in his bag and will indeed pull it and others out if he needs to. I mean, most Fb users have no idea how MZ is using the dollars they created for him to stab them in their backs.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Trump has already called out Mark Zuckerberg and his personal senator, Marco Rubio.

  87. Somewhat on topic:

    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/why-america-isnt-doing-more-to-help-the-syrians/story-fnh81p7g-1227523913527

    Check out the author – Charis Chang. How many refugees is China taking?

    The headline in the main page is this:

    “AMERICAN DREAM: US puts Australia to shame on refugees
    IT’S been criticised for only taking 10,000 extra people in response to Syria’s crisis. But in fact, America is leading the way for the world.”

    Some major chutzupah there. As usual, news.com.au does not enable comments when it is forcefeeding us The Narrative.

  88. When antiwhite liberals drone on about injustices done hundreds of years ago to American Indians and Aborigines, they fail to understand the one difference. Those natives tried their best to repel the invading Spanish or British, but they failed. Modern day Westerners could easily keep out anybody we choose. We did it for hundreds of years and could easily continue to, but we aren’t even trying. We are supposed to live in democracies , but the whims of the elites are completely overwhelming the opinions of the majority populations. If we tried and failed to keep out invaders, it would be much different than our billionaires inviting them in and then demonizing those already here for being concerned with the inevitable negative outcomes.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Calogero

    Agreed.

    A factor rarely discussed is the staggering increases in population since the discovery of antibiotics etc..

    When questing Europeans fell upon America and Australia, say, the population numbers - both indigenous and newcomers - were relatively tiny.

    Even by 1850 the USA only had 5 million people. Australia about 400,000. This is why these vast, thinly populated land areas became white, whilst India and Africa etc. did not (the South African exception it should be remembered included a century ago briefly a not far off half white population).

    Much of the discussion of historic movements of peoples and so on do not factor in the much lower population numbers prior to the late 19th Century. Similar reservations might be noted about the Chinese diaspora, African tribal movements, the spread of Islam etc..

    As Santayana said those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it but massive increases in populations mean that there is an entirely different quality to the way history is going to repeat itself.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  89. @Bies Podkrakowski
    Gutmenschen.

    As always Germans get the best words. I already see some applications for it in local civili war of emotions. Facts doesn't work anymore.

    Replies: @donut

    The Romans had a word for the same scum that destroyed the republic “optimates” .

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @donut

    Doesn't this means "the best" in Latin?

  90. @Anonymous
    Guys, it's absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have 'migrated' to North America and Australia (native population? What's that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don't yall get it?
    Migration, which founded your U.S. and Canada and Australia has morphed into a terrible evil suddenly. Why? Because the evil Muslims are doing it!

    This is the kind of ignorant racist crap some are spouting on here, it would seem. Thinly veiled, of course, but it's there. The fact that Turkey and Lebanon have taken the vast majority of Syrians seems to have escaped attention. The fact that the U.S. hasn't lifted a finger to help after its involvement in the Middle East and the resulting shit storm, again seems to be a non issue.

    Replies: @Salty, @Luke Lea, @Big Bill, @Richard, @iSteveFan, @Lagertha, @Dennis Dale, @Polymath

    “Guys, it’s absolutely cool for hundreds of thousands of Europeans to have ‘migrated’ to North America and Australia (native population? What’s that?) but heaven forbid those scary awful Muslims enter Europe. Don’t yall get it?”

    Oh, we get it all right, exactly because of what happened to the Penobscot and Chickahominy.

  91. Germany: Blood on Frankfurt’s streets as Turkish and Kurdish protesters clash

    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d01_1441973503#H73V5uDfXj8qe25a.99

    Carbombs in 15 Minutes!

  92. • Replies: @German Voice of Reason
    @German Voice of Reason

    The full interview has now also been published on the website of DIE ZEIT: http://www.zeit.de/2015/37/thilo-sarrazin-interview-fluechtlinge-zuwanderung-integration-frontex

  93. @Stan D Mute
    @Vinay


    The influx of the refugees is supported by a conservative Chancellor, the heads of German industry and some 60% of the German population.
     
    1). I don't believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.

    2). Given the situation in the EU, those millions of Arabs invading Germany will have unfettered access to every other EU member nation. So Germany is, unilaterally, admitting a small Arab nation into the EU. It doesn't appear that folks in England or Hungary are on board with this. I doubt the Swiss want several million Arabs to come visit either. In fact, Germany seems the only EU member willing to allow this. Yet all Europe will suffer the consequences.

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    I don’t believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.

    Here you go: http://www.forschungsgruppe.de/Aktuelles/Politbarometer/

    According to the latest survey results, published yesterday, 66 percent of Germans agree with the decision by the German and Austrian governments to let “refugees” (the wording of the survey, not mine) in from Hungary.

    Further: 62 percent of Germans (up from 60 percent in August) believe that Germany can handle the many refugees from crisis regions coming into Germany while 35 percent (month before: 37 percent) do not think so.

    Germany’s government has budgeted 6 billion euros extra expenditures for refugeees in 2016. 22 percent of Germans consider this too much, 43 percent consider it just right, 25 percent consider it too little. [Note: this is about half the annual payroll contributions for care of the elderly and severely handicapped, generally considered to be insufficient for the task, but no increase is planned.]

    61 percent of Germans expect that refugees will provide an important contribution to relieving the skilled-labor shortage, 31 percent do not.
    —-
    The pollsters, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen, are not some fly-by-night outfit, they are well-respected and have a reputation to lose. I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    "I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate."

    Still, they contradict every online poll I have seen. German MSM has in the last weeks and months so blatantly distorted almost everything concerning the migration crisis and the situation on the ground among the common people, that I am more than suspicious of this poll. And I think that this poll got its wide publicity for a reason.

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    , @reiner Tor
    @Stubborn in Germany

    That's depressing.

  94. @donut
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    The Romans had a word for the same scum that destroyed the republic "optimates" .

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    Doesn’t this means “the best” in Latin?

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stubborn in Germany
    @Stan D Mute


    I don’t believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.
     
    Here you go: http://www.forschungsgruppe.de/Aktuelles/Politbarometer/

    According to the latest survey results, published yesterday, 66 percent of Germans agree with the decision by the German and Austrian governments to let "refugees" (the wording of the survey, not mine) in from Hungary.

    Further: 62 percent of Germans (up from 60 percent in August) believe that Germany can handle the many refugees from crisis regions coming into Germany while 35 percent (month before: 37 percent) do not think so.

    Germany's government has budgeted 6 billion euros extra expenditures for refugeees in 2016. 22 percent of Germans consider this too much, 43 percent consider it just right, 25 percent consider it too little. [Note: this is about half the annual payroll contributions for care of the elderly and severely handicapped, generally considered to be insufficient for the task, but no increase is planned.]

    61 percent of Germans expect that refugees will provide an important contribution to relieving the skilled-labor shortage, 31 percent do not.
    ----
    The pollsters, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen, are not some fly-by-night outfit, they are well-respected and have a reputation to lose. I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor

    “I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate.”

    Still, they contradict every online poll I have seen. German MSM has in the last weeks and months so blatantly distorted almost everything concerning the migration crisis and the situation on the ground among the common people, that I am more than suspicious of this poll. And I think that this poll got its wide publicity for a reason.

    • Replies: @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous


    German MSM has in the last weeks and months so blatantly distorted almost everything concerning the migration crisis and the situation on the ground among the common people
     
    Indeed they have. Consider the possibility that this mass brainwashing is effective.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  96. Get your story straight, I though Kurds were supposed to be the nice ones because they are secular, and now you people are accusing them of being secret AQ agents? Turks are also supposedly secular as well.

  97. @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    "I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate."

    Still, they contradict every online poll I have seen. German MSM has in the last weeks and months so blatantly distorted almost everything concerning the migration crisis and the situation on the ground among the common people, that I am more than suspicious of this poll. And I think that this poll got its wide publicity for a reason.

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    German MSM has in the last weeks and months so blatantly distorted almost everything concerning the migration crisis and the situation on the ground among the common people

    Indeed they have. Consider the possibility that this mass brainwashing is effective.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    As I said, that is not my impression, at least from the reactions where people can have their say directly and unfiltered.
    That the establishment wants to create the illusion that they still have the majority opinion behind them is another matter.

    For illustrative purposes, a link to a fresh online poll:

    http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/gesellschaft/id_75387428/fluechtlingspolitik-von-angela-merkel-spaltet-deutschland.html

    The question is: Are you satisfied with Merkel's immigration policy? Over 90 % voted "No".

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

  98. @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous


    German MSM has in the last weeks and months so blatantly distorted almost everything concerning the migration crisis and the situation on the ground among the common people
     
    Indeed they have. Consider the possibility that this mass brainwashing is effective.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    As I said, that is not my impression, at least from the reactions where people can have their say directly and unfiltered.
    That the establishment wants to create the illusion that they still have the majority opinion behind them is another matter.

    For illustrative purposes, a link to a fresh online poll:

    http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/gesellschaft/id_75387428/fluechtlingspolitik-von-angela-merkel-spaltet-deutschland.html

    The question is: Are you satisfied with Merkel’s immigration policy? Over 90 % voted “No”.

    • Replies: @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous

    Online polls are worthless.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  99. @rod1963
    If they are Kosovar Albanian Muslims, it's bad news for the Germans. They ethnically cleansed Kosovar province of Serbs, Hungarians and other non-Muslims under the watchful eye of American armed forces. Given half the chance they will start ethnically cleansing Germany of Germans.

    Oh yeah Kosovar is a major transit hub for drug distribution among other things for organized crime. You can bet money that the crime rate in Germany will explode.

    Couldn't happen to a better people.

    Replies: @Sean

    Yes, Germans will leave their cities, as in London, which has the same population but half the indigenous residents as a couple of generations ago. The cities are where the big money is, so they will be favourable situated.

  100. Deborah Lipstadt in Forward:

    Years ago I began my exploration into the Holocaust by studying the American response. I was appalled by the deep-seated hostility American officials and bureaucrats showed toward Jewish immigrants. They erected, in the words of historian David Wyman, “paper walls” to keep out the foreigners. Jews were turned away simply and solely because they were Jews, even when that meant they would be sent to concentration camps. Seeing Aylan’s lifeless body washed up on a beach, who among us does not wonder: Is history repeating itself?…

    What about Israel? In a rare personal turn, I find myself almost agreeing with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision not to accept any refugees. Israel has given extensive medical aid to Syrians caught in the bloody civil war. Many of them, while grateful, hide the fact that Israel helped them, and they do so because of the open hostility Syria’s citizens feel toward Israel.

    Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/320609/reasons-to-think-before-acting-on-migrants/#ixzz3lY7jY0fF

  101. @eah
    @Sean

    and they probably have a good chance to get asylum without pretending to be Syrian

    No they don't -- nowadays, hardly anyone from Kosovo gets asylum in DE -- in 2014, about 1% were granted asylum -- they won't do any better this year -- that's why there's now a growing black market for phony Syrian passports.

    Replies: @Sean

    You are right. But Kosovans’ language won’t let them pass pass for Syrian. They would use passports to get into Germany and I think getting rid of masses of them will in practice be extremely difficult, even if they are being officially denied full refugee status. There will be many Kosovar children born in Germany within a year, rely on it. Kosovo panicking at the exodus http://www.dw.com/en/kosovo-population-drain-challenges-germanys-refugee-policies/a-18245189

  102. What we are seeing is the biggest “flash mob” in history. Powered by smart phones, GPS technology, and youthful exuberance, summertime fun seekers (mostly young men) are pouring into Europe seeking a really good time. Lock your doors White man, hide your women and your money!

  103. @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    As I said, that is not my impression, at least from the reactions where people can have their say directly and unfiltered.
    That the establishment wants to create the illusion that they still have the majority opinion behind them is another matter.

    For illustrative purposes, a link to a fresh online poll:

    http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/gesellschaft/id_75387428/fluechtlingspolitik-von-angela-merkel-spaltet-deutschland.html

    The question is: Are you satisfied with Merkel's immigration policy? Over 90 % voted "No".

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    Online polls are worthless.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    No they are not. They are a far better guide to reality than blind deference to authority. There was a time when it never ever occured to us that our state broadcasters wouldn't tell the truth. Well, these times are long past.

    But the tenor of your posts shows, that you anyways have your own firm opinion what "Germans" supposedly think, so let's leave it at that.

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous

    Online polls are worthless.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No they are not. They are a far better guide to reality than blind deference to authority. There was a time when it never ever occured to us that our state broadcasters wouldn’t tell the truth. Well, these times are long past.

    But the tenor of your posts shows, that you anyways have your own firm opinion what “Germans” supposedly think, so let’s leave it at that.

    • Replies: @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous

    Anyone can, using a proxy switcher, cast hundreds of votes in half an hour. Those who share the majority's opinion don't bother to vote, they feel themselves secure in the majority and are in agreement with decisions being made by policymakers. Only the vocal minority turns to online polls and internet comment boards as an outlet for their frustrations.

    The mass brainwashing is effective. Collective insanity is what we are seeing in Germany. It reaches far beyond the elites into the general population. It starts with the leadership, of course. But the leadership taps into popular sentiment. There is overt religious fervor. Germans have stopped going to church but they have replaced Christianity with a crazed "unlimited compassion" ideology.

    A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe's Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug.

    Add to this Big Business' desire for short-term profit (cheaper labor, more consumers), the illusory hope that the Muslim migrants will shore up the lopsided demographic pyramid as net contributors and wipe the bottoms of the elderly in nursing homes, widespread suicidal pacifism, the overwhelming financial and ideological muscle of Saudi and Qatar, and you have the makings of a perfect storm.

    Next general election is in 2017. I predict that the only halfway electable party calling for a curb on immivasion, Alternative für Deutschland, will barely squeak into parliament. By then, your "90 percent" online polls will be moldering in the pixel graveyard.

    It's not inconceivable that in some far distant future long after our lifetimes, indigenous Europeans will rise up and expel the Muslims. The benchmark is the reconquista on the Iberian peninsula and we know how long that took.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Anonymous

  105. @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    No they are not. They are a far better guide to reality than blind deference to authority. There was a time when it never ever occured to us that our state broadcasters wouldn't tell the truth. Well, these times are long past.

    But the tenor of your posts shows, that you anyways have your own firm opinion what "Germans" supposedly think, so let's leave it at that.

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    Anyone can, using a proxy switcher, cast hundreds of votes in half an hour. Those who share the majority’s opinion don’t bother to vote, they feel themselves secure in the majority and are in agreement with decisions being made by policymakers. Only the vocal minority turns to online polls and internet comment boards as an outlet for their frustrations.

    The mass brainwashing is effective. Collective insanity is what we are seeing in Germany. It reaches far beyond the elites into the general population. It starts with the leadership, of course. But the leadership taps into popular sentiment. There is overt religious fervor. Germans have stopped going to church but they have replaced Christianity with a crazed “unlimited compassion” ideology.

    A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe’s Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug.

    Add to this Big Business’ desire for short-term profit (cheaper labor, more consumers), the illusory hope that the Muslim migrants will shore up the lopsided demographic pyramid as net contributors and wipe the bottoms of the elderly in nursing homes, widespread suicidal pacifism, the overwhelming financial and ideological muscle of Saudi and Qatar, and you have the makings of a perfect storm.

    Next general election is in 2017. I predict that the only halfway electable party calling for a curb on immivasion, Alternative für Deutschland, will barely squeak into parliament. By then, your “90 percent” online polls will be moldering in the pixel graveyard.

    It’s not inconceivable that in some far distant future long after our lifetimes, indigenous Europeans will rise up and expel the Muslims. The benchmark is the reconquista on the Iberian peninsula and we know how long that took.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Stubborn in Germany

    CSU is also calling for a curb on the immivasion. They just invited Orbán from Hungary for a meeting of their Bavarian parliamentary faction.

    , @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    So a spontaneous online poll is surely manipulated, obviously by the excellently organised anti-immigratoin lobby operating in Germany. But the official poll, which was conducted by an institue closely affiliated with the Social Democrats and eagerly publicised by the German main stream media, is defenitely trustworthy. All right, sir.

    "A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe’s Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug."

    Dear God! Do you have ANY prove for this projection? You seem to be adamant in pushing two points:
    1. That Germans are actually enthusiastically embracing replacement immigration.
    2. That they do it because they are actually all latent Nazis who are hellbent on hurting Jews, even at the price of their own demise.
    Such a pathologizing narrative one would expect only in the context of war time propaganda. Jews are obviously in the best position to avoid any negative fallout by Merkel's latest madness. It is indigenous Europeans who won't have any other countries to flee to.
    I am really wondering what's your agenda here?

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

  106. @Anonymous
    I think many of these comments are framing this refugee question wrong. All kinds of comments about challenges or problems associated with opening the door to a large influx. But hardly any mention of the opportunity that hundreds of thousands of new minds, ideas, talents will come with them.

    I mentioned previously Steve Jobs- son of a Syrian immigrant. I would also include not only Barak Obama, but no fewer than 6 of the present candidates for U.S. President, all sons of immigrants. http://www.pri.org/s...2016-candidates

    Who is to say what greatness may rise from future generations of these refugees? Some see problems, I see opportunity!

    It'd be nice if we could chill it a bit with the blatant Islamophobia. The US and Australia's Christian values don't seem to be doing much to motivate them to charity either. It's politics, not religion, which is the sticking point.

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @Lagertha, @Bill B., @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    Why aren’t these “minds, ideas and talents” making their own lands literal heavens on Earth instead of the ratholes they are?

  107. My last comment has been “in moderation” for eight hours and someone else has posted after me… did I get shunted to the spam folder?

  108. @Stubborn in Germany
    @Stan D Mute


    I don’t believe that 60% of the German population supports having Germany invaded by millions of Arabs. Show me the vote.
     
    Here you go: http://www.forschungsgruppe.de/Aktuelles/Politbarometer/

    According to the latest survey results, published yesterday, 66 percent of Germans agree with the decision by the German and Austrian governments to let "refugees" (the wording of the survey, not mine) in from Hungary.

    Further: 62 percent of Germans (up from 60 percent in August) believe that Germany can handle the many refugees from crisis regions coming into Germany while 35 percent (month before: 37 percent) do not think so.

    Germany's government has budgeted 6 billion euros extra expenditures for refugeees in 2016. 22 percent of Germans consider this too much, 43 percent consider it just right, 25 percent consider it too little. [Note: this is about half the annual payroll contributions for care of the elderly and severely handicapped, generally considered to be insufficient for the task, but no increase is planned.]

    61 percent of Germans expect that refugees will provide an important contribution to relieving the skilled-labor shortage, 31 percent do not.
    ----
    The pollsters, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen, are not some fly-by-night outfit, they are well-respected and have a reputation to lose. I have looked around the German-speaking Web for credible signs from knowledgeable people that the figures are doctored, but to no avail. We must take them as accurate.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor

    That’s depressing.

  109. @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous

    Anyone can, using a proxy switcher, cast hundreds of votes in half an hour. Those who share the majority's opinion don't bother to vote, they feel themselves secure in the majority and are in agreement with decisions being made by policymakers. Only the vocal minority turns to online polls and internet comment boards as an outlet for their frustrations.

    The mass brainwashing is effective. Collective insanity is what we are seeing in Germany. It reaches far beyond the elites into the general population. It starts with the leadership, of course. But the leadership taps into popular sentiment. There is overt religious fervor. Germans have stopped going to church but they have replaced Christianity with a crazed "unlimited compassion" ideology.

    A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe's Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug.

    Add to this Big Business' desire for short-term profit (cheaper labor, more consumers), the illusory hope that the Muslim migrants will shore up the lopsided demographic pyramid as net contributors and wipe the bottoms of the elderly in nursing homes, widespread suicidal pacifism, the overwhelming financial and ideological muscle of Saudi and Qatar, and you have the makings of a perfect storm.

    Next general election is in 2017. I predict that the only halfway electable party calling for a curb on immivasion, Alternative für Deutschland, will barely squeak into parliament. By then, your "90 percent" online polls will be moldering in the pixel graveyard.

    It's not inconceivable that in some far distant future long after our lifetimes, indigenous Europeans will rise up and expel the Muslims. The benchmark is the reconquista on the Iberian peninsula and we know how long that took.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Anonymous

    CSU is also calling for a curb on the immivasion. They just invited Orbán from Hungary for a meeting of their Bavarian parliamentary faction.

  110. @Calogero
    When antiwhite liberals drone on about injustices done hundreds of years ago to American Indians and Aborigines, they fail to understand the one difference. Those natives tried their best to repel the invading Spanish or British, but they failed. Modern day Westerners could easily keep out anybody we choose. We did it for hundreds of years and could easily continue to, but we aren't even trying. We are supposed to live in democracies , but the whims of the elites are completely overwhelming the opinions of the majority populations. If we tried and failed to keep out invaders, it would be much different than our billionaires inviting them in and then demonizing those already here for being concerned with the inevitable negative outcomes.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Agreed.

    A factor rarely discussed is the staggering increases in population since the discovery of antibiotics etc..

    When questing Europeans fell upon America and Australia, say, the population numbers – both indigenous and newcomers – were relatively tiny.

    Even by 1850 the USA only had 5 million people. Australia about 400,000. This is why these vast, thinly populated land areas became white, whilst India and Africa etc. did not (the South African exception it should be remembered included a century ago briefly a not far off half white population).

    Much of the discussion of historic movements of peoples and so on do not factor in the much lower population numbers prior to the late 19th Century. Similar reservations might be noted about the Chinese diaspora, African tribal movements, the spread of Islam etc..

    As Santayana said those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it but massive increases in populations mean that there is an entirely different quality to the way history is going to repeat itself.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    Even by 1850 the USA only had 5 million people.

    Nah. 23 million.

    Replies: @Bill B.

  111. @Bill B.
    @Calogero

    Agreed.

    A factor rarely discussed is the staggering increases in population since the discovery of antibiotics etc..

    When questing Europeans fell upon America and Australia, say, the population numbers - both indigenous and newcomers - were relatively tiny.

    Even by 1850 the USA only had 5 million people. Australia about 400,000. This is why these vast, thinly populated land areas became white, whilst India and Africa etc. did not (the South African exception it should be remembered included a century ago briefly a not far off half white population).

    Much of the discussion of historic movements of peoples and so on do not factor in the much lower population numbers prior to the late 19th Century. Similar reservations might be noted about the Chinese diaspora, African tribal movements, the spread of Islam etc..

    As Santayana said those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it but massive increases in populations mean that there is an entirely different quality to the way history is going to repeat itself.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Even by 1850 the USA only had 5 million people.

    Nah. 23 million.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes. Sorry. That number was for 1800.

    The 1850 number is of course roughly what the Australian population is now, as it happens.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    Even by 1850 the USA only had 5 million people.

    Nah. 23 million.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Yes. Sorry. That number was for 1800.

    The 1850 number is of course roughly what the Australian population is now, as it happens.

  113. @PistolPete
    I know we are supposed to be horrified at the sight of Hungarian police throwing sandwiches at the refugees instead of giving it on their hands and knees, but what about flipside of the invasion. What about the Europeans that lives have changed forever?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8X9oay_mo8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGiMJY8v0jA

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Greece?

  114. @Big Bill
    Refugees from Kosovo make no sense.

    It is a virtual European protectorate, ruled ultimately by a handful of European bureaucrats and politicians. It is also the home of the biggest US military facility in all of South Eastern Europe, Camp Bondsteel.

    Further, we placed a militant Muslim terrorist in charge of the internal security apparatus of Kosovo who is responsible for atrocities elsewhere in Yugoslavia in the 1990s and for supporting the further cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo.

    No Muslim Kosovar should be permitted to escape and invade the rest of Europe.

    They have made their bed.

    Let them lie in it.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Kosovo of course is a prime example of a ‘country’ taken over by fecund illegal migrants, albeit over decades.

    Is it possible that some future America government will bomb France to force it to quit Marseille?

  115. @IA
    Hernando Cortez conquered not only by superior weapons. The Aztecs thought he might be a god, the plumed serpent, Quetzalcoatl. Montezuma, therefore, hesitated to command his warriors to attack and Cortez was able to boldly exploit this weakness and defeat a vastly superior force on their own turf.

    Similarly, the West created the Enlightenment concept of "human rights" and is importing millions of aliens who have zero interest in this idea, and are able to exploit this, to them, weakness. They really can't believe their dumb luck, and what a bunch if fools we are. But the Eloi elites are far more interested in status signaling other whites than in protecting them.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Human Rights were historically employed by philosophers and thinkers as a way of thinking about things like the responsibilities of kings and degrees of individual autonomy and so on.

    It was only after WWII and the Holocaust that these concepts became actionable weapons in the hands of lawyers and the Mrs Jellyby’s of the world.

  116. @German Voice of Reason
    The complete interview from the print edition is available here:
    http://stikked.com/view/raw/e686c729

    Google translate (pretty bad):
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstikked.com%2Fview%2Fraw%2Fe686c729

    Replies: @German Voice of Reason

    The full interview has now also been published on the website of DIE ZEIT: http://www.zeit.de/2015/37/thilo-sarrazin-interview-fluechtlinge-zuwanderung-integration-frontex

  117. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous

    Anyone can, using a proxy switcher, cast hundreds of votes in half an hour. Those who share the majority's opinion don't bother to vote, they feel themselves secure in the majority and are in agreement with decisions being made by policymakers. Only the vocal minority turns to online polls and internet comment boards as an outlet for their frustrations.

    The mass brainwashing is effective. Collective insanity is what we are seeing in Germany. It reaches far beyond the elites into the general population. It starts with the leadership, of course. But the leadership taps into popular sentiment. There is overt religious fervor. Germans have stopped going to church but they have replaced Christianity with a crazed "unlimited compassion" ideology.

    A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe's Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug.

    Add to this Big Business' desire for short-term profit (cheaper labor, more consumers), the illusory hope that the Muslim migrants will shore up the lopsided demographic pyramid as net contributors and wipe the bottoms of the elderly in nursing homes, widespread suicidal pacifism, the overwhelming financial and ideological muscle of Saudi and Qatar, and you have the makings of a perfect storm.

    Next general election is in 2017. I predict that the only halfway electable party calling for a curb on immivasion, Alternative für Deutschland, will barely squeak into parliament. By then, your "90 percent" online polls will be moldering in the pixel graveyard.

    It's not inconceivable that in some far distant future long after our lifetimes, indigenous Europeans will rise up and expel the Muslims. The benchmark is the reconquista on the Iberian peninsula and we know how long that took.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Anonymous

    So a spontaneous online poll is surely manipulated, obviously by the excellently organised anti-immigratoin lobby operating in Germany. But the official poll, which was conducted by an institue closely affiliated with the Social Democrats and eagerly publicised by the German main stream media, is defenitely trustworthy. All right, sir.

    “A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe’s Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug.”

    Dear God! Do you have ANY prove for this projection? You seem to be adamant in pushing two points:
    1. That Germans are actually enthusiastically embracing replacement immigration.
    2. That they do it because they are actually all latent Nazis who are hellbent on hurting Jews, even at the price of their own demise.
    Such a pathologizing narrative one would expect only in the context of war time propaganda. Jews are obviously in the best position to avoid any negative fallout by Merkel’s latest madness. It is indigenous Europeans who won’t have any other countries to flee to.
    I am really wondering what’s your agenda here?

    • Replies: @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous

    You forgot to address this:


    Next general election is in 2017. I predict that the only halfway electable party calling for a curb on immivasion, Alternative für Deutschland, will barely squeak into parliament. By then, your “90 percent” online polls will be moldering in the pixel graveyard.
     
    See you in 2017. Do you like ketchup with your crow?
  118. @Anonymous
    @Stubborn in Germany

    So a spontaneous online poll is surely manipulated, obviously by the excellently organised anti-immigratoin lobby operating in Germany. But the official poll, which was conducted by an institue closely affiliated with the Social Democrats and eagerly publicised by the German main stream media, is defenitely trustworthy. All right, sir.

    "A secondary motive is the effect this will have on Europe’s Jews and on Israel. The chances that the influx of a Jew-hating demographic will drive out Jews from Europe and end Euro support for Israel are high. Subconsciously, Germans see this as a feature, not a bug."

    Dear God! Do you have ANY prove for this projection? You seem to be adamant in pushing two points:
    1. That Germans are actually enthusiastically embracing replacement immigration.
    2. That they do it because they are actually all latent Nazis who are hellbent on hurting Jews, even at the price of their own demise.
    Such a pathologizing narrative one would expect only in the context of war time propaganda. Jews are obviously in the best position to avoid any negative fallout by Merkel's latest madness. It is indigenous Europeans who won't have any other countries to flee to.
    I am really wondering what's your agenda here?

    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    You forgot to address this:

    Next general election is in 2017. I predict that the only halfway electable party calling for a curb on immivasion, Alternative für Deutschland, will barely squeak into parliament. By then, your “90 percent” online polls will be moldering in the pixel graveyard.

    See you in 2017. Do you like ketchup with your crow?

  119. Late to the party, but I just wanted to tell you that Thilo Sarrazin’s book is largely “inspired” (not to say, has ripped off) by German geneticist/psychologist Volkmar Weiss and his work “Die IQ-Falle” (“The IQ-Trap”) which by itself was an attempt to create a German version of “The Bell Curve”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkmar_Weiss

    http://www.v-weiss.de/publ-e.html

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